REPUBLIC Of VANUATU REPUBLIQUE DE VANUATU PARLIAMENT PARLEMENT *
THIRD PARLIAMENT
FIRST ORDINARY SESSION
1ST MEETING
31ST MARCH - 1OTH APRIL 1989
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TROISIEME LEGISLATURE DU PARLEMENT
PREMIERE SESSION ORDINAIRE
PREMIERE ETAPE SESSIONNELLE
31 MARS - 10 AVRIL 19B9 I I \
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SUMMARISED PROCEEDINGS PROCES VERBAL CERTIFICATION
The ninutee of Proceedings which appear in the following book have peen established by the Clerk of Parliament and have been amended and confirmed by Parliament in accordance with the proviaiona of
Article 18 of the Standing Orders of parliament.
□nneyn M. TAHI Lino BULEKULI dit SACSAC Speaker of Parliament. Clerk of Parliament. AUTHENTIFIACTION
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1'Article 18 du Rfeglement Intdrleur, lie ont 6t6 corrig£s et confirmda par le Parlement.
Onneyn M, TAHI Lino 0ULEKULI dit SACSAC President Secretaire G6n6ral du Par1ament. du Parlement. PARLIAMENT Of THE REPUBLIC OF VANUATU
THIRD PARLIAMENT FIRST ORDINARY SESSION 1ST MEETING
31 ST MARCH - 1OTH APRIL 1989
A0BIL 3. Iolu, MP for Tanna, BAET George, MP for Banka / Torres, BOE Roger Jerry, MP for Maeujo, BOULEKONE Vincent, MP for Pentecost, BULEWAK Gaetano, MP for PentBcoat, ENNIS Simeon, MP for Malekula, HORA T. Jack, MP for Ambrym, IAMIAHAM Daniel, MP for Tanna, IAUKO Jack, MP for Tanna, IOUIOU Henry, MP for Tanna, JIMMY Noanikam, MP for Tanna, JACOBE Joseph, MP for Port-Vila, KALPOKAS Oonald, MP for Efate, KARIE D. Robert, MP for Tongoa / Shepherds, KATH Daniel, MP for Santo, Malo / Aore, KOTA Gideon, MP for Tanna, LINI Hilda, MP for Port-Vila, LINI Walter H», MP for Pentecost, MAHIT William, MP for Paama, MATA5KELEKELE Kalkot, MP for Port-Vila, METO Jimmy Chilia, MP for Efate, MOLISA Sela, MP for Santo, Malo / Acre, NATAPEI E. Nipake, MP for Other Southern Islands, NATO Oaniel, MP for Malekula, NIAL J. Kalo, MP for Luganville, QUALAO C. Harold, MP for Ambae, RANTES Aileh, MP for Malekula, REGENVANU Sethy, MP for Malekula, SARKI Robert, MP for Santo, Malo / Aore, SAWIA Kalanga, MP for Port-Vila, TA0I Basil, MP for Pentecost, TAHI M. Onneyn, MP for Ambae, TANARANGO T, Dauid, MP for Efate, TARI SEVUTI Wilson, MP for Ambae, TAUN Tele, MP for Efate, VUTI James, MP for Santo, Malo / AOre, WASS Kaucor, MP for Santo, Malo / Aore, WELWEL Andrew, MP for Ambrym, WESLEY John T., MP for MalBkula. PARLEMENT DE LA REPUBLIQUE DE VANUATU
TRDISIEME LEGISLATURE DU PARLERENT PREMIERE SESSION ORDINAIRE 1 ERE SEANCE
31 MARS - 10 AURIL 1909
ABBIL J. Iolu, Ddputd de Tanna, BAET George, Ddputd de Banks / Torres, BOE Roger Jerry, 06put£ de Ma6wo, BOULEKONE Vincent, D^putd de Pentecdte, BULEWAK Gaetano, D£put£ de Pentecdte, ENNIS Simeon, D£put£ de Maliicolo, HOPA T. Jack, D6put6 d'Ambrym, IAMIAHAM Daniel, D6put6 da Tanna, IAUKO Jack, D6put6 de Tanna, • IOUIOU Henry, D6put6 de Tanna, JIMMY Noanikam, D3putS de Tanna, JACOBE Joseph, D£put6 de Port-Vila, KALPOKAS Donald, DSputd d'EfaU, KARIE D. Robert, 06put6 de Tongoa / Shepherds, KATH Daniel, DdputS de Santo, Malo / Aore, KOTA Gideon, OSputS de Tanna, LINI Hilda, DtSputd de Port-Vila, LINI Walter H., Dfiputd de Pentecdte, MAHIT William, D^putd do Paarna, MATASKELEKELE Kalkot, D6puti§ de Port-Vila, NETO Jimmy Chilia, D6put6 d'EfatS, MOL ISA Sela, D£put£ de Santo, Malo / Aor£, NATAPEI E. Nipake, D6putd des autrea Iles du Sud, NATO Daniel, D^putd da Maliicolo, NIAL J. Kalo, D6put6 de Luganuilla, QUALAO C. Harold, D6put6 d'Ambad, RANTES Allah, Ddputd de Maliicolo, * REGENVANU Sethy, Ddputd de Maliicolo, SARKI Robert, Ddputd de Santo, Malo / Aord, SAWIA Kalanga, Ddputd de Port-Vila, TABI Basil, Ddputd de Pentecdte, TAHI M. Onneyn, O^putd d’Ambad, TANARANGO T« David, Ddputd d'Efatd, TAR I SEVUTI Wilson, Ddputd d’Ambad, TAUN Tdld, Odputd d'Efatd, VUTI James, Ddputd de Santo, Malo / Aord, WASS Kavcor, D^putd de Santo, Malo / Aord, WELWEL Andrew, Ddputd d'Ambrym, WESLEY John T., Odputd de Maliicolo. PARLIAMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF VANUATU
THIRD PARLIAMENT
FIRST MEETING OF THE FIRST ORDINARY SESSION OF 1989
.MARCH ]989
SPEAKER : The Hon. Onneyn M. TAHI, Member for Ambae
38 PRESENT
ABSENT : The Hon. Donald KALPOKAS, Member for Efate
1. The sitting commenced at 8.45 am.
2. The Hon. Speaker read the agenda.
3. The Hon. Robert KARIE said the prayer. «
4. The President of the Republic delivered his Address. (appended)•
5. The sitting was suspended at 9.00 am.
6. The sitting resumed at 9.30 am.
7. The Hon. Speaker asked the Hon. Prime Minister to make brief comments relating to the address given by the President of the Republic.
8. The Hon. Prime Minister thanked the President of the Republic for • presenting his speech in Bislama and continued that this would PARLEMENT DE LA REPUBLIQUE DE VANUATU
TROXSSEME LEGISLATURE
1ERE ETAPE SESSlONNELLE DE LA 1ERE SESSION ORDINAIRE DE 1989
* VENOREDI 31 MARS 1989
PRESIDENT t M Onneyn M. TAHI, D6putd d'Ambae
PRESENTS 38 OSputSe
ABSENTS m. Donald KALPOKAS, DSputd de Efatd.
1* La stance eat ouverte & 0BH45.
2. M. la President annonce l’ordra du jour,
3. M. la Ddputd Robert D. KARIE dit la priSire.
4> La President de la Rdpubliqua presents eon diacoura d'ouvertura. (document Joint).
5. La adance aat euapendue & 09H00.
8. La eganca reprand & 09H30.
7. La President du Parlement donna la parole au Premier Miniatre.
8. M. la Premier Miniatre remercie la President da la Rgpublique d'avoir prononcd eon diacoura d'ouverture an bichelamar pour ainai diaaiper lea barrieras llnguiatiquea du frangaia at da 1*anglais exiatant dane la pays. Il ajouta qu'll aarait opportun qua toua lea ddput^a utiliaent un
langage accessible & toua* eliminate political barriers in the country. He added that it would be preferable to have all members using a common language. He insisted that unity, peace and harmony should be respected and be part of the custom and that politics shoild not interfere. He said certain political leaders had Cried Co manipulace cusCom and religious • leaders in order to gain support. The Prime Minister was pleased to see all members present and remarked on the importance of members’ faithfulness Co their pr mises made to the people during Che elections campaigns. He added that members respected the decisions made by the court which were fully based on the Constitution. He declared that all laws, rules and orders should be equally respected. The Prime Minister explained that Che government of the day was safe guarding its iiitergrity and respecting the Constitution despite the many difficulties and problems that had arisen and given us the political experiences chat we lacked previously. He added Chat the political, social economic and constitutional problems had brought us co a new stage in our country's history but democracy in our country was very much alive eventhough there had been a lot of criticism. The Prime Minister Lhanked the President for having mentioned "Air Vanuatu”. He s^u.d the air-craft would arrive on the first of April painted with Che colours of the national flag. He concluded by asking all members Lo consider the Bills now before Parliament.
9. The Hon. Speaker asked the Leader of the Opposition, Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE to respond to the president's Address.
10. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE thanked the President of the Republic for his opening address. Refering.to the terms "Harmony, Peace and Unity" used by the President of the Republic , he explained Chat the terms should be respected in order to have political stability in Vanuatu. He added that the criticisms made against the government were unrealistic and said he had heard it said that the present parliament was totally from the Vanua-aku Pati and was lacking Opposition Parties. He explained that various leaders did not under stand their rights and powers. He stated that the constitution was drafted by members of parliament and was approved on consensus and not on vote and said that it could not be interpreted in different ways by outside people with experience and competence. * Il insists sur ”1*units, la paix et l’harmonie" qu'il faut auant tout • i - et qua les partis politiques ne doivent pas utili9er la coutume S des fins politiques (certaina politiciens onttantS de manipulsr las chefs coutumiers • at religieux pour ganger des voix). La Premier Ministre declare Stre heureux de voir tous les ddputds presents st insists sur l1importance et la gravity de la fid£lit£ dee deputy & leura promesses vis-d-vis de la population et de leur respect absolu de la Constitution. Il ajoute qua lea deputy ont su respects Is verdict du tribunal basd sur la Constitution et que toute lai, tout r&glement, tout arretd doivent Stre obeervds et respect§a comms la Constitution. Le Gouvernement Actual a eu garder son intdgritd et respecter la Constitu tion malgr6 las nombreuses difficulty et les multiples problbmes qui fi- nalemant n’ont fait qua nous apporter l’exp^rienca politique qui nous • manquait, Il ajoute que las probl&mea politiques, sociaux, dconomiques et constitutionnele nous ont amen£ & une nouvelle page de l’histoire de Vanuatu, mais notre democratic set bien vivante aujourd’hui malgrS toutes sortes de suppositions et de critiques gratuites la concernant. Le Premier Ministre remercie le President de la R6publique d’avoir mentionn6 la Compagnie Air Vanuatu. Il declare que l'avion "Air Vanuatu", aux couleurs de Vanuatu, doit arriver Is 1er Avril, done domain. Le Premier Miniatre termine er) insistent sur I1importance d’dtudier taua las projsta de loi au parlement.
9. Le President du Parlement donne alors la parole au Chef de 1’Opposition, Fl. le D6put6 Vincent BUULEKONE.
10. M. le 0£put6 Vincent BOULEKONE^rsmercie le President de la R6publique pour son disccurs d’ouuerture. Il reprend les termee "harmonie, paix, units" ■ z " que la President de la Rdpubiique a utilise en pr^ciaant que ai l’on respects ces trois termes, la politique de Vanuatu sera stabilises. Il ajouts que toutes lea critiques 6 l’sncontre du Gouvernement n’ont aucun fondemsnt, qu’il a entendu dire que l’Bpposition n'exlete plus au Parlement, qu’ella n'est qu’une partis du Vanuaaku Parti. Il continua en prdcisant qua certaina leaders ds partis politiques ne con- naiasent pas lours droits et pouvoirs. Il declare que la Constitution a ete rbdigy par las deputy et adoptee par concensus, non par vote. On ns peut 1’interpreter ds plusieurs felons, comma l’auraient voulu csrtainse psrsonnes de l’extdrieur possddant experience et competence. Chacun doit respecter In Constitution de Vanuatu, symbols ds notre ddmocratie. He stressed Chat each individual should respect the Constitution, which was the symbol of Democracy. He felt that the members should 4 carry out their responsibilities, although it wasn't always easy due to lack of finance, and chat it was of great importance to have the co-operation of the people. This new spirit of co-operation, he declared, now existed among the custom and religous leaders and the people and it should be preserved. He explained that cyclones and the political crisis had helped people to understand the importance of co-operation in our country. He concluded that the government should allocate funds fairly to each constituency to improve the standard of education.
II. . The Hon. Speaker announced that Che cocktail party for the Opening of Parliament would take place at 6.30 pm at bis house. He also announced that the Parliament Secretariat had arranged a visit to the jewellery workshop at Malapoa tomorrow. He asked all Members to assemble at Constitution Building at 9.00 am. *
12. The siccing was adjourned at jO.25 am and would resume on Monday 3rd April, 1989. Lea ddput^s aussi, ajoute-t-il, doiuent fairs leur devoirs, et ce n‘est
pas toujoura simple dans les Iles oD certains aimeraient fairs plus mala
manquent de foods, Ausei il ajoute qu'il set da premiers urgence ds fairs
coopdrer touts la population, Ce nouvel dtat d1esprit de cooperation exists maintenant entrs las chefs coutumiere, rellgiaux at la population, et il faut la preserver. Tel qn cyclane, la derni&re criae politique a aidd la population b rdalieer 1*importance de cooperar dans notre pays ai l'on veut
des rdaultata positifa. 11 fait remarquer pour terminer que la Gouvernement doit distribuer de fagon
appropride lea subventions dans lee Iles, principalament pour eider l'eneei- gnement (Construction dMcoleB),
11. La President du Parlement fait elore dee annonces t la cocktail pour l'ouver- ture du Parlement aura lieu b 1BH30 ce eolr, at demain 6 D9H00, una visits eat prdvue b 1*atelier de bijouterie Hainaut A Malapoa.
Ua aSance eat levSe b 10H25. PARLIAMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OFVANUATU
THIRD PARLIAMENT
FIRST MEETING O£ THE FIRST ORDINARY SESSION OF 1989
MONDAY 3 APRIL 1989
SPEAKER ; The Hon. Onneyn TAHI, Member for Arabae
38 PRESENT :
ABSENT ; The Hon. Donald KALPOKAS, Member for Efate
2. The Hon. Wilson TART SEVUTI said the prayer.
3. The Hon. Speaker read out the agenda.
BILL FOR THE FISHERIES (AMENDMENT) ACT NO. OF 1989
FIRST READING
4. The Hon. Minister William MAHIT introduced the Bill and moved that it be read a first time.
5. The Hon. Andrew WELWEL enquired whether this ratification would cover the Vanuatu - USSR Fishing Agreement. He questioned if the Treaty had been ratified and also if another bill would have to be submitted before Parliament if Vanuatu should sign another treaty with another country. PARLEMENT OE LA REPUBLIQUE DE VANUATU
TROISIE/IE LEGISLATURE
1ERE ETAPE SESSIONNELLE DE LA 1ERE SESSION ORDINAIRE DE 19B9
LUNDI 03 AVRIL 1989
PRESIDENT : 1*1. Onneyn M. TAHI, D6put6 d'Amba^
PRESENTS : 38 DSputSe
ABSENTS : 1*1. Donald KALPOKAS, D6put^ d'Efatd.
1. Le President auvre la stance & 0BH35.
2. M. le Ddputd Wilson TARI SEVUTI dit la pri&re.
3. Le President annonce l'ordre du Jour.
PROJET DE LDI NO. ._88_1?89 syR_LE5_£ECHES_(MDDIFICAJION)
PREMIERE LECTURE 4. M. le Ministra William MAHIT prdeente le proJet de loi et propose qu'il aoit examine an premi&re lecture et adopts.
5. M. le Ddputd Andrew WELWEL demands ai la ratification concerne auaai I1accord de pBche entra Vanuatu et l'URSS et ei ce traits a d£j& dtd ratifiS. Il termine en ae demandant ei le Parlement devrait voter une loi cheque foie que Vanuatu eigne un traits avec un autre pays. 6. In reply the Hon. Minister William MAHIT said that every member state had signed the treaty except Tonga. He continued that only a few members had not yet ratified the treaty, including Vanuatu. He stated that in order to benefit from the treaty, Vanuatu had to ratify the treaty as soon as possible. He said that the Fisheries Act No. 37 of 1982 should be amended in order for Vanuatu to accede to the treaty.
7. The Hon. Minister lolu ABBIL explained that the fishing agreement between Vanuatu and USSR was bilateral and was Bigned in accordance with our Fishing Act NO. 37 of 1982, so there was no need for ratification. He said the Vanuatu - USSR fishing agreement had expired last March.
The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE pointed out Che importance of the Bill because it amended the Fishing Act. He explained that the Bill would allow the interests of the Pacific states to be more effective and would create more concern for our island states. He explained why Pacific island states should be grouped together to sign such a treaty.
9. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU supported the principles of the Bill and pointed out that in terms of natural resources, fish was our main resource. Ke felt that these resources should be exploited to benefit the country. He said foreign fishing vessels using gill nets outside the 200 mile E.E.Z were misusing Pacific fishing resources. He raised a point of interest by stating that the local fish market was not seeling good quality fish eventhough plenty of supplies could be provided by regions such as Banks/Torres.
10. The Hon. Minister William MAHIT Btated that USSR did not use gill nets, but purse-seine nets. He said USA would also use the same kinds. He continued chat Che Foreign Fishing Agency (FEA) would act on behalf of the Pacific member states. Kefering to the funds received from the treaty, he explained that US# 10.7 million would be paid by USA to the member states. He clarified that 85% of the sum would be given to the countries where fish was caught and 15% shared by the other countries. He stated that US# 1 million wouLd be shared amongst the Pacific member states excluding Australia. He said US# 112 million would be provided in the form of technical assistance under the auspices of the F.F.A. He warned Lhe members that US# 15.900 would be lost monthly if the country did not ratify the treaty. 6. It. le Itinistre William It AH IT rEpond qua tous lee Etats membres ont dEj& signE le traitE E 1'exception de Tonga et ajoute que seuls quelques uns dont Vanuatu n'ont pas encore ratifiE le traitE. 11 dEclare que Vanuatu doit ratifier le traits dans la plus bref dElai pour en bEnEficisr. Il explique en outre qu'il Taut porter des modifications E la loi NO. 37 de 1982 sur les p§ches pour que Vanuatu puisae accEder au traitE.
7. It. le Itinistre lolu ABBIL explique que I1accord de peche entre Vanuatu et l'URSS Etait bilatEral et Etait signE conformEment aux dispositions de la loi NO. 37 de 1982 sur lee pEchea, ce qui ndcessite aucune ratifi cation. Il ajoute que 1*accord de pSche entre Vanuatu et l'URSS a expirE le mars dernier.
8. it. le DEputE Vincent BOULEKONE eouligne 1'importance du projet de loi puisque ce dernier modifie la loi eur les pdchea. Il explique que le projet de loi rendra plus effectifs les intErSta des pays insulairee du Pacifique et crEera plus de dEbouchEa pour cee derniers. Il reaf firms I'intEr&t du projet de loi et explique pourquoi les pays insu- laires du Pacifique doivent s'unir pour signer ce traits.
9. It. le Rinistre Sethy REGENUANU soutient les principes du projet de loi et eouligne que le poisson est- notre principals reasource naturelie et que cetta dsrniEre doit Stre exploitEa pour en fairs bEnEficier le pays. Il indique que lee bateaux de pSche strangers qui utilisent des mannas au large de la zone Economique de 200 mills pratiquent une mau- vaise exploitation des ressources en poisaona du Pacifique. Il souligne en outre que le marchE local de poiasona ns fournit pas de poissons de bonne quality bien que les regions de Banks et Torres peuvent en produire une assez grands quantity.
10. it. le Itinistre William ItAHIT explique que les bateaux de p&che de l'URSS n*utilisent pas des mannas ma is pratiquent la pdche E la seine comms les Etata Unia. Il ajoute que le foreign Fishing Association agira en favour des Etats insulaires du Pacifique. En faiaant mention des fonds regus, il explique que les Etats Unis uerseront un montant Equivalent E 10.7 millions ds dollars U.S. aux pays membres. Il continue en disant que 85% de cette somms sera vsrsEe aux pays oL les pdches saront fructueuses et 15% aux autres pays membres. Il indique qu’un million de dollars U.S. sera partagE entre las pays membres du Pacifique, y compris 1*Australia et que 112 millions de dollars LJ.S. eeront fournis en matiEre d'aide technique sous la gestion da la Foreign Fishing Association. Il explique aux dEputEa que sans la 11. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE wanted to know how many and which countries were members of the treaty. He enquired whether France and USA were part of the treaty.
12. The Hon. Prime Minister explained that the Bill concerned fishing and that it should be given plenty of time to be studied closely with the laws of the Sea negotiated with the United Nation Organisations and the Fishing Act No. 37 of 1982. He said that Fiji, New Caledonia, Solomons and Australia were not prepared to discuss the 200 mile E.E.Z. He stated that eventhough Vanuatu was considered as a ’’devil” in the Pacific for signing a fishing treaty with Russia, today Forum countries such as New Zealand and Australia have also signed fishing treaties with USSR. He continued that other countries had taken early steps to ratify their treaty because they did not need to have it approved by Parliameut and it would not affect their fishing laws. He confirmed that France supported the F.F.A programmes but was not party Of the treaty.
13. The Hon. Minister lolu ABBIL expressed the view that the treaty covered fishing only and USA fishing vessels would be allowed to fish in French colonial countries' waters even if they were not part of the treaty. He wished to see the treaty ratified by Vanuatu in order that we could receive the benefits.
14. The Hon. Minister William MAHIT read out the list of the members of the treaty. He confirmed that France was not involved and 16 states were part of the treaty. He said every member state had signed the treaty except Tonga and everyone of them had ratified the treaty with the exception of Tonga and Vanuatu. »
15. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HOPA stated that Parliament must finalise the arrangements of the treaty with the USSR which was signed in Port Moresby nearly a year ago.
16. The Hun. Kavcor WASS enquired about the number of Ni-Vanuatus working on fishing vessels and also expressed concern about the way that they were being treated. He also asked about the future of the S.P.F.C.
17. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE also asked about the future of the S.P.F.C and wanted to know if the U.S.A was going to provide the equipment and ratification du traitd, le pays perd 15.900 dollars U.S. par moia
11. I*l. le Ddputd Uincent BOULEKONE demands combien de pays st quels sont ceux qui sont membres du traitd et si la France et 1’Amdrique en sont mambres.
12. PI. le Premier Ministre e>:plique que le pro jet de loi concernait la peche, et qu’ile devraient prendre leur temps pour l’dtudier plus soigneueemsnt de meme qua la legislation sur la mer ndgocide avec l’ONU et la loi NO. 37 de 1982 eur les pdches. Il indique que Fiji, la Nouvelle Caledonia, lee Iles Salomons Bt 1’Australis ne sont pas prate pour avoir dee discussions eur la zone dconomique de 200 millee. Il souligne qua bien qus Uanuatu ait dtd considers comma un "diable'’ dans le Pacifique pour auoir signd un traitd da pSche avec l’URSS, actuellement dee pays du Forum tels que la Nouvelle Zdlande et l’Autralie signent des traitda de pgche avec l’URSS . Il continue en disant que d’autree paya ont adopts dea mesures pour ratifier au plus t&t leur traitd car il ne leur est pas ndceesaire de fair© approuver la ratification par le Parlement et qu’elle ne portera aucun prejudice aux loie eur lea pdchae. Il confirms que la France eoutient le traitd mais n'en est paa membra.
13. I*i. le Ministre lolu A0BIL souligne que le traitd ne B'appliquait qu’d la peche et que les bateaux de p§che des Etata Unia seront autorisds d pecher dans les eaux des colonies frani^aiees mSms si ces dernidrss ne font paa partie du traits. Il declare aouhaiter que le traitd aoit ratifid pour en fairs profiler Vanuatu.
14. fl. le flinistre William MAHIT lit la lists dea membrBa du traitd et confirms qua la France ne fait pas partie dea 16 membrae du traitd. Il ajoute que tous les pays membres ont aignd le traitd sauf Tonga et que parmi tous ceux qui ont aignd, Vanuatu eat le aeul paya membre qui n’a pee encore ratifid le traitd,
15. M. le Fliniatre Jack T. HOPA indique que le Parlement doit finaliser Iob accords de peche signds il y a un an auec l'UR5S d Port-Moresby.
16. M. le Ddputd Kaucor WASS uoudrait connaitre le nombre de Ni-Uanuatu travaillant sur lee bateaux de pdcha. 11 sait qus cse derniers ne sont pas bien traitds et le ddplore. Il almsrait savolr l'avsnir de la SPFC.
17. N. le Ddputd Vincent BOULEKONE voudrsit lui aussi savoir co qu’il adviendra da la SPEC et si l'Amdrique a l’intention de lui fournir 1’dquipemBnt et Is
matdriel dont elle a besoin, ou si d’autrea paya ou compagnies les lui
fiourniront. supplies that the company needs or whether some other companies or countries would provide them. 4
18. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA said that there were 100 Ni-Vanuatu working on fishing vessels and added that he couldn't say exactly whether the Ni-Vanuatu were treated well or not. He also explained that the Government was studying the future of the S.P.F.C.
19. The motion that the Bill for the Fisheries Amendment Act of 1989 be read a first time and do pass was carried unanimously.
20. The session was suspended at 9.45 am and resumed at 10.10 am.
COMMEE STAGE
2! . Section 1, "Amendment of Section 1 of Act No. 37 of 1982", was approved unanimously.
22. Section 2, "Replacement of Section 3(1) of the Act", was approved unanimously.
23. Section 3, "Replacement of Section 4(1) of the Act", was approved unanimously .
24. Section 4, "Replacement of Section 6 of the Act", was approved unanimously .
25. Section 5, "insertion of new section 6A", was approved unanimously.
26. Section 6, "Deletion of Section 34(2) (g) of the Act", was approved unanimously .
27. Section 7, "Commencement", was approved unanimously.
28. The Hon. Minister William MAHIT's moved that the Bill for the Fisheries Act be read a second time and do pass. *
29. The motion that the Bill for the Fisheries Act be read a second time and « do pass approved unanimously. 10* H. le Miniatre Sela MOLISA indique que cent Ni-Uanuatu travaillent actuel- loment sur lea bateaux de pdche, maia il ne aait paa a'ils eont bien ou mal traitda, • Actuallemant, le Gouuernement Studio lea demandoB de diversea compagniea dSaireuaes de prendre en main la SPEC done il fact attendre da decision pour aauoir ce qu'il en adviendra.
19. La motion portant adaption en premiers lecture du projet de loi sur lea pSchea (modification) eat adoptSe S l'unanimitd.
20. La stance, auspendue b 09H45, reprend & 10H10.
EXAMEN EN COMMISSION 21. L^article 1, "Modification de l1 Article 1 de la loi N0.37 de 1982". eat adopts & 1'unanimity,
22. L'arlicle 2, "Remplacement da l1Article 3 (ij de la lol", eat adopts & 1'unanimitS.
23. L1article 3, "Remplacement de l'Article 4 (l) de la loi”, eat adopts & l'unanimitd,
24. L'article 4, "Remplacement de I1Article 6 de la loi"r eat adopts & 1'unanimitS.
25. "L'article 5, 11 Introduction du nouvsl article 6 A". eat adopts & l'unanimitd.
26. L'article 6, "Abrogation de l'article 34 (2) (g) de la loi", aat adopts & 1'unanimitS.
27. L'article 7, "EntrSe an viqueur". aat adopts S 1*unanimity,
28. M. la Miniatre William MAHII propoaa que le projet de loi soit examind en deuxidme lactura at adopts.
29. La motion portant adoption du projat de loi en deuxidme lecture eat adoptSe & l'unanimitd. BILL FOR THE FORESTRY (AMENDMENT) ACT OF ]989
FIRST READING
30. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HOPA introduced the Bill for the Forestry Amendment Act, explained its provisions and moved that it be read a first time.
31. The Hon. Hilda LINI wondered if it was possible to provide funds to the Department of Forestry while cuts were being made in Government Departments.
32. The Hon. Jack Kalo NIAL stated the Forestry Department could manage even though it had a small budget.
33. The Hon. Joseph JACOBE enquired about the purpose of taxes on logging contracts.
34. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HOPA explained that the government and the Public Service Department decided to establish a separate Forestry Depart ment, eventhough there is budget constraint, due to the increase in activity. He further explained that re-afforestation charges went to the Accountant General's Department which used it on forestry developments on the islands.
35. The Hon. Wilson TARI SEVUTI supported the bill and said that the government should encourage planting of appropriate trees in order to increase production and also encourage forestry development especially on land already given to the government for the purpose but not used yet.
36. The Hon. Minister Harold QUALAO explained that the Forestry Department had been working separately from Agriculture since 1987. The amendment of the law was only a formality.
37. The Hon. Minister Jimmy Chilia METO wanted clarification on re-afforestation charges as he could not see any benefits, particularly for Efate, PROJET_DE_LDI NO. _1909_m001FIANT_LA_L01_SUR_LA_SYLUICULTURE.
PREMIERE LECTURE 30, Mo le Ministre Jack T, HOPA prdsente le projet de lol et propose qu’il soit examine en premiere lecture.
31, Mme le D6put6 Hilda LINI veut savoir si, maintenant qua certains services ont diminuS leur budget, il aarait possible d’attribuer davantage da fonds 6 la Sylviculture.
32, M. la Ddput6 Jack Kalo IMIAL indique qua la sylviculture ast un service qui, mfime sans grand budget, aurvit par iui-mfime & Vanuatu,
33, l*l. le D6putd Joseph JACOBE veut savoir & quoi sert la taxa sur lee contrats de boiaement, si elle eat utilises pour planter de nouveaux arbres par example,
34, M. le Sinistra Jack T. HOPA explique que le Gouvernement et la Fonction Publique ont ddcidd de crder un Service de Sylviculture distinct du Service de 11 Agriculture vu 1’accroissement des activitds. Il ajoute que les fonds qui provenaisnt de la redevance et de droit de reboieement dtaient destines au ddveloppemant de la Sylviculture sous la gestion du Service de la Comptabilitd gdndrale.
35, M, le D^putS Wilson TARI SEVUTI aoutient les principes du projet de loi et estime que le Gouvernement doit favoriser la plantation d’arbres plus rentables pour augmenter la production et doit favoriser le ddveloppement de la Sylviculture, particuli&rement pour lea terres qui ont 6t6 d6j& accorddes au Gouvernement sans qu’aucun projet n’y soit rdalisS.
36, M, le Ministre Harold Gj'JALAO explique que la Sylviculture a 6t6 adpar6a du Service da 1 * Agriculture depuis 1907 et que la presents modification & la loi represents lea formalitSs de separation entre 1’Agriculture et la Sylviculture.
37, M, le MiniBtre Jimmy Chilia METO demands les explications concernant les redevance*et droit de raboisement puisqu’il estime que la sylviculture ns rapporte aucun profit, particuli^rement 6 Efatd. 38. The Hon. Gaetano BULEWAK supported the bill in principle and asked whether the government could reconsider Che maintenance of forestry plantations, such as those on Pentecost, which had been stopped.
39. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE explained that Che principle of the bill was to recognise the Department of Forestry as separate from Agriculture due to its importance. He asked whether the re-afforestation charges had not been previously amended. He added that re-afforestation had world wide importance but wondered why a law had not been formulated for smallholders and cattle breeders as well as for loggers. He then queried whether re-afforestation charges had been used on forestry development s.
40. The Hon. Joseph JACOBE asked whether there was control before and after logging as only a small part of the wood was sold and a large part wasted. He wondered whether custom owners were paid for the wastage.
41. The Hon. Kavcor WASS indicated that the Director chose areas not leased for logging activities on maps without checking whether people lived there. He regretted that some custom owners leased their land to investors for short-term benefits but did not plan for the future of their children and stressed that any cut tree should be replaced by replant ing.
42. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HOPA stated that a survey had been carried out on loggers in Vanuatu for the proper control and management of natural resources and that re-affore3tation charges were used on replanting scheme staff salaries. He said the standard size of wood for logging was cm diameter, and stated that local wood took along time to mature so currently, imported trees were being planted. He sLres3ed that Re-afforestation Projects at Santo belong to the custom owners and that the Forestry Department only monitors them. He explained that Forestry on Pentecost was one of industrial level aimed at exporting but unfortunately, was affected by disease and the reluctance of land owners to offer more land for this activity. 39. 1*1. la DSputS Gaetano BULEWAK soutient les principes de la loi at demands si la Gouvernament peut reconsid^rer l’entretian des plantations forestiferes de Pentecdte qui a 6t6 suspendu,
39. 1*1. le 06put6 Vincent BOULEKONE explique que lea principes de la loi dtaient pour raconnaitre le service de la Sylviculture distinct de 1*Agriculture. Il demands ai le droit de reboisement n’a pas subi da modifications depuis la loi NO. 14 ds 1992. Il ajoute que le reboisement est important partout comme & Vanuatu et se demands pourquoi le Gouuernement n’a pas uotd uns loi qui stipulerait un droit de reboisement applicable aux jardiniers et aux bleveurs comma aux soci^t^s d’exploitation foresti&re. Il se demande si les droits de reboi sement ont 6t6 utilises & des d^veloppements forestiers.
40. Fl. le Obput^ Joseph JACOBE demands s’il y a un contrflle avant ou aprfes l’abattage d’arbres car une petite partie saulement est vendue et le rests'ddtruit. Il se demands si les soci^t^e d’exploitation foreetihre acquittent convanablemunt lours redovancaa aux propridtaires coutumiers.
41. I*l. le D^putb Kavcor WASS indique que le Directeur de la Sylviculture qui alloue _i.as regions d’absttage aux investisseura sur la carte, ne s’est jamais d£plac6 sur place pour contrfller s’il n’y a pas d*habitations. Il fait savoir qu’il regrette qu’il y a des propridtaires coutumiers qui ne pensent qu’& recevoir de l’argent des investisseurs, mais ne se soucient pas de l’avsnir de laurs enfants et qu’il pense qu’un arbre doit etre plants pour chaque arbre abattu.
42. M. le Ministre Jack T. HOPA fait savoir qu’une Bnqufcte a 6t£ r^alisde sur le nombre d’entreprises forestibres qui ont investi £ Vanuatu pour contrfiler nos ressources naturelies et qua les droits da reboisement dtaient utilises pour payer les salairea des agents de la section de reboisement. Il fait savoir que le norme de tronc & couper est de 60 cm ds diambtre et que lea arbres locaux prennsnt trop de tamps pour deuenir matures, ce qui impliqua d’importer des arbres Strangers. Il souligne que les projets da reboisement de Santo appartiennent aux propri^tairss coutumiers st que la Service de la Sylviculture na fait que les contrfller, Il expliqua quB las projets forestiers de PentecBtB Gtaient destines £ 1’exportation : malheureusement, ils ont 6t6 affectd par des maladies et par l’action des propriStaires coutumiers qui n’ont pas voulu cbder d’autres terras. 43. The Hon. Roger J. BOE supported the bill and repeated the Hon. Kavcor WASS'S comment on replanting and said that sometimes loggers * establish their activities on the islands without informing the islanders in advance..
44. The Hon. Robert SARKI supported the bill and asked whether loggers should pay royalties at the beginning rather than at the end of the period.
45. The Hon. Robert KARIE supported the bill and said that cutting wood and setting fires endangered forests.
46. The Hon. Andrew WELWEL said that there was already a principle law and the amendment was to create the post of director and staff to quickly , procoess licences so that money could be paid to land owners as copra prices had gone down greatly. •
47. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HORA said that an agreement had been signed by the government and custom owners for a Forest Plantation Project at Santo and that a trial of 5 hectares of various types of trees had been planted.
48. The sitting was suspended at 11.35.
49. The meeting resumed at 2.15. 4
50. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HOPA explained that in 1986 an agreement was signed between landowners and the Government to have trees planted on an area of 6,000 hectares on Santo. He said that for any tree felled the logging company must pay royalty to the land owner. He continued that a study was being carried out to find out if coconut trunks could be used for timber, but the etudy has not yet provided any favourable conclusions because our coconut trunks were too small in size. He stated that the idea to make this department independent was because of Che large amount of activity.
The lion. Simeon ENNIS was concerned about how the agriculture field officers were inaccurately advising land owners to cut down trees in order to plant cocoa or coconut trees. He asked the Government to * ♦ 43. 1*1. le Ddputd Roger 3. BOE soutient las principes du projet de loi et reprond les propoa de 1*1. le Ddputd Kavcor li/ASS et fait aauoir que parfois, les entraprises forestidres commencent leurs activiths sans informer les habitants de l’ile.
44. 1*1. la Ddputd Robert SARKI soutient les principae du projat da loi et demande si las entreprises dauraient ueraer une redeuance avant l’abattage au lieu dB la uerser aprds ca dernier.
45. 1*1. le Ddputd Robert KARIE soutient les principes du projet de loi et fait aauoir qua le feu represents aussi un grand danger aux forSte.
46. 1*1, 1b Ddputd Andrew WELWEL fait remarquer qu'il exiete ddjd une loi principals at que la modification eat destinde £ crder un posts de directeur et un personnel pour s’occuper des procedures de patentee et pour que les proprid- taires coutumiers regoiuent 1'argent qui leur est dQ, uu le prix du coprah qui eat trda bas en ce moment.
47. 1*1. le Miniatre Jack T. HOPA fait sauoir qu'un accord a dtd signd entre les propridtaires coutumiers dB Santo et le Gouuernement pour un pro jet de Sylviculture et qu‘actuellemerit 5 hectares ont dtd mis & l'essai.
40. La stance est suspendue b 11H35.
49. La adance reprend & 14H15,
50. M. le Miniatre Jack T. HOPA explique qu’un accord avait dtd signd entre les propridtaires coutumiers et le Gouuernement en 1986, pour le reboisement de 6,DOO hectares Bur Santo, Il ajoute que touts socidtd d* exploitation foreatidre doit payer une redevance pour tout arbre qui tombe et que des rschsrches sont en coura pour aauoir a’il est possible de fabriquer des planches 6 partir de troncs da cocotiers. Il fait remarquer que jusqu‘& present, les rdaultats na se sont pas avdrds trds optimietes d cause de la petite taille de nos troncs de cocotiers. Il termine en disant que l*idde d'dtablir un Service da la Sylviculture distincte du Service de I1Agriculture provient du fait qu’il y avait beaucoup de travail dana la domains ds Sylviculture.
51. M. le Ddputd Simdon ENNIS se souQie de la manidre ddsastreuse dont lea agents du Service de 1'Agriculture conseillent aux propridtaires de ddboiaer pour planter dee cacaoyiers ou dee cocotiers st demande au Gou- find possible ways to help Che land owners to gain money from the trees felled.
52. The Hon. Joseph JACOBE expressed concern about Che stability of the * price of hard-wood. }je said treated hard-wood had increased in price, he wanted to know whether logging companies had also increased the royalties paid to custom owners.
53. The Hon. Tele TAUN supported the principles of the Bill but voiced concern about the trees felled and transported by logging companies to Che ports and left to rot. He asked if the land owners and the Government had gained any benefits from these trees.
54. The Hon. Daniel NATO supported the principles of the Bill but felt that » forestry offices should be set up in Che islands to advice the local people of the logging policies and benefits. Logging companies should be encouraged to upgrade roads and wharves, he pointed out,
55. The Hon. Jack Kalo NIAL said that forestry officers and local people should be aware of the fears and problems raised by the members. He said local people were only interested in money and not worried about the bad effects of logging and also of Lhe prices paid for trees that took over 70 years Co grow. He questioned whether we have enough trees to allow more companies to operate and also if the employment benefits were long or short terra. He felt that licence fees and taxes should be increased to oblige logging companies to continue operation and also to * benefit land owners and government in the form of revenues.
56. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HOPA explained Chat the purpose of the bankers1 guarantee was for the logging company to guarantee to the Government that if there were any future financial difficulties facing Lhe company, there would be funds Co pay for royalties and reforestation charges. He informed the members that an outBide company had been asked to start a three year survey on forestry resources this May. He explained chat interested logging companies should present thier negotiators’ certifi cates Lo land owners prior to operations. Kefering to timber prices he said hardwood was 90U VT per cubic meter, whitewood was 670 VT per vernement de trouver line solution pour donner la possibility aux propriytairaa de tirar un revenu da tous lea arbres ddtruits pendant un ddboisement.
52. 1*1. le Ddputd Joseph JAC03E exprime son souci pour la stability du prix du bois dur, Il explique que le boia dur transformd vaut da plus en plus cher et se demande si les socidtds d’exploitation forestidre versent aussi en consdquencs, des redevances plus dleudea aux propridtaires coutumiers.
53. M. le Odputd Tdld TAUN soutient les principes du projet de loi. Il exprime son inquidtude concernant les billes que les 8ocidtds d’exploitation fores- ti&re laissent pourrir dans les parts et demands si les propridtaires coutumier et la Gouvernement pergoivant un revenu sur css darnidres.
54. 1*1. le Ddputd Daniel NATO soutient les principes du projet da loi mais estime qu'il faudrait implanter des bureaux du Service de la Sylviculture dans les Ilea pour conseiller les personnes locales sur les directives d’abattage et las bdndfices qui en rdsultent. Il ajoute que les socidtds d1 exploitation forestidre doivent amdliorer l’dtat des routes et des ports.
55. 1*1, le Ddputd Kalo NIAL explique que les agents de la Sylviculture et les habitants lucaux doivent prendre conscience des inquietudes et probldmes soulevds par las ddputds et declare que las Ni-Vanuatu ne peneent qu’d recevoir de 1'argent mais ne e1inquiktent pas des effete ndgatife de l’abattage et des prix vereds pour dee arbres. Il demande si Vanuatu a encore asssz de for&ts pour continuer b accepter 1’implantation des socidtdu d’abattage et si lee contrats d'emplol sont d court terms ou A 6 long terme. Il termnie en sstimant qua lea droits de licence d’abattage devraient fttre augmentds pour obligor lee aocldtds d’abattage d continuer leur exploitation ce qui repportera des revenue au Gouvernement et aux w L 11 1 propridtaires coutumiers.
56. 1*1, le flinistre Jack T. HOPA explique que le but de la garantie bancaire destinda d la socidtd d’exploitation forestifere est de garantir le Gouver- nement sur toutes difficultde financidres qui pauvant se presenter & l'avenir, ces fonds sorvirunt done & payer les redevances et les droits de reboisement. Il informe lae ddputde qu’una aocidtd dtrangdre a 6td sollicitde pour lancer una enqufite de 3 ans sur les ressources forestiSres de Vanuatu. Il explique que lee socidtds d'exploitation foresti&re intdressdes devraient d’abord presenter leure certificats de ndgociatione aux propridtaires avant de commoncer l’abattage. En se rdfdrant au prix de bois, il ddclare • que le bois dur vaut 900 VT par mbtre cube, le bois blanc 670 UT par
mdtre cube, le bois du melektree 600 VT par mdtre cube, et les autres cubic meter, melektree was 600 VT per cubic meter and others were 500 VT per cubic meter. He continued that land owners get 752 of the price of improcessed wood exported.
57. The Hon. Prime Minister explained that all forestry bills were to control . the exploitation of trees and said that in order to keep the ecological standards as they were, trees should be planted on the land. He warned that it was a waste of time to plant imported trees but urged the members to encourage local people to plant local trees because they were suitable for the climate.
58. The motion that the Bill be read a first time and do pass was carried unanimously.
COMMITTEE STAGE
59. Section 1, “Amendment of Section I of Act No. 14 of 1982", was approved unanimously.
60. Section 2j "Amendment of Section 11(1) of the Act", was approved unanimously.
61. Section 3, "Amendment of Section 14 of the Act", was approved unanimously.
62. Section 4, "Commencement", was approved unanimously.
Second Reading
63. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HOPA moved that the Bill be read a second time and do pass.
64. The motion that the Bill for the Forestry (Amendment) Act No. of 1989 be read a second time and do pass was approved unanimously.
BILL FOR THE METEOROLOGY ACT NO.__ _ OF__1989
FIRST READING
65. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPE1 introduced the Bill and explained its provisions and moved that it be read a first time. 500 UT par mdtre cube, et explique que les propridtaires coutumiers perQoivent 75% du prix de bois exports en billea.
57. le Premier Ministre explique que tous les projets de loi sur la Sylvi culture dtaient destines 6 contrfiler Sexploitation des for&ts et que pour maintenir I1environnsment dcologique qui existait auant l’abattage, il faut reboieer. Il eetime que 1*importation d'arbres strangers eat inutile at encourage las Ni-Uanuatu & planter les arbres indigenes qui s’adaptent mieux au climat local,
58. La motion portant adoption du projet ds loi en premidre lecture est adoptd* d I1unanimity,
EXAMEN EN COMMISSION 59. L’article 1, "Modification de IIArticle 1 de la loi NO., 14 de 1982". est adopts & l’unanimitd.
60. L’article 2, "Modification du paragraphs (1) de l’Article 11 de la loi", est adopts & l’unanimitd,
61. L’article 3, "Modification de Particle 14 de la loi". est adopts & l’unanimitd.
62. L’article 4, "Entree en vigueur". est adopts & l’unanimitd.
DEUXIEME LECTURE 63. M. le Ministre Jack T. HOPA propose que le projet de loi soit examind en deuxidme lecture et adoptd.
64. La motion portant adoption du projet de loi sur la Sylviculture en deuxidme lecture est approuvde & l’unanimitd.
PROJET_DE L01JJO.___DE_1989_RELATIF_A_LA_METEDROLDGIE .
PREMIERE LECTURE 65. M. le Ministre Nipake NATAPEI prdaente le projet de loi et propose qu’il salt examind en premiere lecture et adoptd. 66. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE stated that the Meteo Department is important and demanded co-operation between ueigbouring countries in cyclone seasons. He supported the bill.
67. The motion Chat the Bill for the Meteorology Act No. of 1909 be read for the first time was carried unanimously.
COMMITTEE STAGE
68. Section 1, "Interpretation" was approved unanimously.
69. Section 2, "Vanuatu Meteorological Service", was approved unanimously.
70. Section 3, "Director of the Service", was approved unanimously.
7 1. Section 4, "Officers of the Service", was approved unanimously.
72. Section 5, "Continuance of officers", was approved unanimously.
73. The sitting was suspended at 3.45 pm.
74. The sitting resumed at 4.00 pm.
25£L_2™§tions
75. The Hon. Hilda LINI asked the government whether there was another company apart from Melanesian Shell Products which may export raw shell and asked why the government did not encourage local products manufactured by Switi, but continued to import the same products and whether the government had any share in Cellovila.
76. The Hon. Minister Harold QUALAO in reply explained that the government had its best to support and protect local industries but could not prevent Che importation of similar products since people had the right to chose. He continued that the Government had established a special tariff on imported products to protect local industries. He said that although Cellovila manufactured toilet paper, there was also imported toilet paper to provide choice. He added that there was a ban on the export of raw shell to protect Melanesian Shell Products.
77. The Hon. Joseph JACOBE asked how much debt the Co-op Federation still had 66. M, la Ddputd Vincent BOULEKDNE Tait remerquer que la mdtdorologia eat un domains important qui demands la collaboration des pays auoisinants aurtout par tamps de cyclone. Il ajoute que I1Opposition apportora son soutien £ ce projet de loi.
67. La motion portant adoption du projet de loi NO. DE 1969 relatif & la Mdtdorologie an premidre lecture, sst approuvde d l’unanimitd.
EXAMEN EN COMMISSION 68. L’article 1, "Pdfinitiona”. est adopts d 1'unanimity.
69. L’article 2, "Service mdtdoroloQique de Vanuatu”. est adoptd & l’unanimitd,
70. L1artools 3, "Directeur du Service”, est adoptd & l’unanimitd.
71. L’article 4, "Agent du Service”, ast adoptd d l’unanimitd.
72• L’article 5, "Continuitd des agents", est adoptd d l’unanimitd.
73. La sdance est suspendue d 15H45.
74. La edance raprand d 16H00.
QUESTIONS ORALES. 75. Mme La Ddputd Hilda LINI demands au Gouvernement si une socidtd autre qua le Melanesian Shell Products peut exporter das coquillages non transformds, Elie demands aussi pourquoi le Gouvernement ne favorise-t-il pas les produits locaux fabriquds par Switi mats continue toujours d*importer les memes produits et si le Gouvernement a dee intdrdts dans la socidtd Cellovila.
76. M. la Ministre Harold QUALAO explique que la Gouvernement a fait tout son possible pour protdger les produits locaux, mais ne peut pas s’empecher 11 importation deB m§mes produits uu le choix des consommateurs. Il continue en disant quo le Gouvernement a inatitud un tarif apdcial et dlevd sur les produits importds pour protdger I1Industrie locals. Bien que Cellovila produit du papier toilettes, le m3me produit est toujours importd pour rdpondre au choix de consommateurs. Il ajoute qu’il y a un udto sur 1’ex portation de coquillages non transformda pour favoriser 1’existence de Melanesian Shell Products.
77. M. le Ddputd loseph 3AC0BE demands le montant de dettes de "Fed Coop"* to pay.
78. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPE1 explained that he did not have the exact figures avilabLe on Coop Federation debt but said it was possible chat it would* be paid in 4 to 6 years. * 79. The Hon. Gaetano BULEWAK asked whether there would be any replacement for the French Ambassador.
80. The Hon. Prime Minister replied that the French Government should appoint a new Ambassador to replace the previous one. He added that his government had written to President MiLterand and Che Prime Minister of France, Mr ROCARD in the hope of normalisation of diplomatic relations, but so far there had been no reply.
81. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE asked whether the government could import rice from eleswhere cheaply, as Australian rice was too expensive.
82. The Hon. Minister Harold QUALAO explained that the government was looking into other alternatives of cheaper supply of rice but consumers also like Australian rice. He added that it was possible to import rice from Taiwan and Thailand but that there was a shipping problem. He also explained that the Co-op Federati debt required the Coop Federation to take a 3% commission.
83. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEf explained that the importer of rice charges a normal mark-up of 10X but if the Federation Coop took 3% commission, the importer only had a 7Z commission which did not allow any profit.
84. The Hon. George BAET asked whether freedom of worship implied that one could > change one's religion or create another religion within one's own religion.
85. The Hon. Minister lolu ABB1L explained that the Constitution provided for •* freedom of worship but did not give details. He added that the Vanuatu Christian Council was looking into the problem.
86. The Hon. Daniel NATO asked why the government did not handover the Litzlitz wharf management to a group of business people there.
87. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI explained that the government had decided to manage the wharf, before handing over to the Local Government Council, to set up a wharf fee system so thaL the prices of goods going through the wharf would ♦ not be too high.
88. The Hon. Kavcor WASS asked when the Bigbay road would be started. 76. 1*1. le Ministra Nipake NATAPEI indiqus qu’il ne connait pas lea chiffres exacts meis que ces dettae peuvent Stre rdgldee en 4 & 6 ans,
79. Pl. Is Deputy Gaytapo BULEWAK damande s'il y aura un ambassadeur fran^ais pour remplacer celui qui eat parti.
3D. 1*1. le Premier Plinistre explique qu’il est de la responsability du Gouvernement franqais de nommer un ambassadeur. Il ajouta que son Gouvernement a ycrit au President Mitt^rand et au Premier Plinistre Flichel ROCARD pour la normalisation
des relations diplfimatiques mais quB jusqu'y present, il n'y a bu aucune rgponse.
81. 1*1. le Dfiputd Vincent BOULEKONE estime que le riz australien est trop cher, et se demands si l’on ne paut pas l'importer d'un autre pays,
62. 1*1. la Plinistre Harold QUALAD fait sauoir qua le Gouvernement est en train de trouver d'autres initiatives pour achetsr moins cher mais les consommateurs aiment bien Is riz australien. Il mentionne la possibility d'importer du riz de Taiwan et de Thailande mais explique qu'il exists des probl&mes de transport maritime. Il ajoute qud les dettes de la Fdddration des cooperatives ndcessitent une commission de 3%.
83. 1*1. le Plinistre Nipake NATAPEI explique que 11importateur accords toujours une marge bdndficiaire de 10% mais que si la Fbddration des cooperatives a une commission da 3%, les importataurs n'auront qu'une commission de 7% ce qui ne leur donne aucun profit.
04. PI. le Deputy George BAET demands si la liberty de religion implique le fait de
pouvoir changer da religion ou 1b fait de crder une autre religion au sein de sa propra religion.
05. 1*1. le Plinistre Iolu ABBIL indique que la Constitution a des dispositions d. ce eujet male ne donne pas de details. Il ajoute que le U.C.C. (Vanuatu Christian Council) est en train de considdrer le problems.
06. 1*1, le Deputy NATO Daniel demands ei la Gouvernement peut laisser & un groupe de commergants de l*lallicolo la gestion du port de Litzlitz.
87. PI. le Plinistre Nipake NATAPEI explique qu'ils ont dbcidy de gdrer le port pendant quelque temps avant de le laisser aux meins du Conseil Provincial dans le but d’dlaborer un systdme convenable de fret3 et afin que les marchandises ddchargdaa ld-bas ne soient pas trop chores.
88. 1*1. le Odputd Kavcor WASS demande la date du commencement dea travaux routiers
de Big Bay. 69. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI explained that it was difficult to make accusations without proof and that the problem was that the Ministry had decided to reduce the number of PWD staff. •
90. The Hon. Basil TAB! wanted to know who had won the tender for building a double r classroom at a school in his area.
91. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI explained that the government had decided to give the contract to a local builder but that the conditions had not yet been agreed.
92. The Hon. Roger Jerry BOE asked if the government had taken any steps towards initiating bonds for students on scholarships overseas after completion of their education.
93. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU in reply said that his department had had a meeting with the Public Service Department to initiate the formalities for the bonds. .
94. The Hon. Minister Jimmy Chilia METO confirmed that work on the Bigbay road was to start in June.
95. The Hon. Daniel IAMIAHAM asked whether the government could provide transport for the Meteo Department staff on Tanna.
96. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI explained that his Ministry was looking into provision of transport for those departments which had had transport previously but pointed out that this depended mostly on aid.
97. The Hon. Gideon KOTA asked when the dispensary at Isiai would begin to operate. *
98. The Hon. Minister Jimmy CHILIA METO explained that the operation of the dispensary at Isiai was held up because of a change of plan following the budget.
99. The Hon. David T. TANARANGO asked when the roads in Northern Efate would be repaired.
100. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI replied that a PWD team was now somewhere near Ulei. * aa. 1*1. le Ministre Nipake NATAPEI explique qu’il est difficile d'avancer das accusations sans preuves et que le problems r6el eat qua le Ministers a ddcidG de rSduire le personnel.
1*1. le DdputS Basil TABI veut savoir qui est la personne qui est charges de construira une tScole de sa region provincials.
9\ . 1*1. le Ministre Nipake NATAPEI expliqua que le Gouvernement a d6cid6 de laisaer la construction & un constructeur local mais les conditions de la construction ne s*accordent pas aux deux parties contractantes.
92. fl. le D6put£ Roger Jerry BOE demands si le Gouvernement a pris des mesures concernant les obligations £ l*Etat des 616ves Studiant & 1’stranger apr&s la completion de leurs 6tudes.
93. 1*1. le Ministre Sethy REGENVANU fait savoir que son Ministers et la Fonction Publique se sont r£unis pour commencer & mettre au point les formality© de cee obligations & l'Etat.
9k. M. le Ministre Jimmy Chilia METO indique que les travaux routiers de Big Bay commenceront sn Juin.
9^. i*l. le 06putiS Daniel I Afl I AH AM demands si le Gouvernement peut fournir du transport pour le personnel de la l*l£t£orologie de Tanna.
9fe. f*l. le Ministry Nipake NATAPEI explique que son Ministdre sst en train de considSrer la fourniture de transport au Services qui en ont d6j& eus auparavant mais souligns que ces mesures dependent des aides.
9?1. 1*1. le D6put£ Gideon KOTA demands la date de la mise en service du Dispensairs d1Isiai.
99. 1*1. le Ministry Jimmy Chilia l*IETO explique que I1 operation du Dispensaire d’Isiai a 6t6 suspendue & cause des changemants de programmes qui sont dOs aux dispositions du budget.
93. 1*1. le D£put£ David T. TANARANGO demands quand est-ce que les routes du Nord d*Efat6 vont .Stre r6par6es.
1*1. le fliniatre Nipake NATAPEI fait savoir que l’Squipe des travaux publics ee trouvent ectueliement aux environs de l’dcola d’LJlei. 101. The Hon. Miniscer Jimmy Chilia METO explained that there were two sections of the road to North Efate (A&B). Section A was to be done by Selb and B by PWD.
102. The Hon. Simeon ENNIS asked whether there were enough new nurses to replace the old ones.
103. The Hon. Minister Jimmy Chilia METO in reply said that there were new nurse graduates to replace the old ones.
104. The Hon. Robert SARKI asked whether declarations on land previously approved were still effective or not.
105. The Hon. Minister William MAH1T in reply explained that the ruling of the court on land declarations was binding and no-one could change it.
106. The Hon. Henry I0U10U asked when the water supply system would be ready in Middle Bush and West Tanna.
107. The Hon. Minister Jimmy Chilia METO replied that there was a Water Supply Project for the area concerned but he did not know when it would start.
108. The Hon. Wilson TARI SEVUTI asked if the Ministry responsible could shift two loaders to West Ambae to repair the damaged road there.
109. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPE1 explained that there had been a number of similar requests but this shifting of equipment depended on finance and he could not make any promises.
110. The Hon. Jack Kalo N1AL asked if the Minister concerned could outline the plan for the Luganville Water Supply system.
111. The Hon. Minister Harold QUALAO replied that there was a Water Supply Project to change the Pump Station as there was a danger of pollution. He added that test drills had been carried out behind Solwei Plantation for Che station to be transferred there, and that Che project document was ready for presentation to agencies. ♦ 10/1. M. le Fiinistre Jimmy Chilia NETO explique que lea routes du Nord d’Efat^ se prdsentent en 2 sections, Section A et Section 0. Il ajoute qua la Section 0 doit etre r^iparde par la SELB et la Section A par les Travaux ♦ Publics.
102. Fi. le D6puti3 Simeon ENNIS demands a’il eat possible de fairs remplacer les vieux infirmiers par ds nouveaux diplomas en infirmerie.
103. Fl. le Flinistre Jimmy Chilia BETO r6pond en disant qu'il y a de nouveaux dipldm^s en infirmerie qui psuvent remplacer ceux-ci.
10it. Fl. le D6put6 Robert SARKI demands si lea declarations fonciSres qui ont autrefois approuv^es, sont-elles toujours an vigueur actusllement ?
■ 10S. Fl. le Flinistre William FIAHIT explique que la decision de la Cour Supreme sur les declarations est irrevocable et que personne ne peut la changer.
106 PI. le D6put£ Henri I0UI0U demands quand vont commancer les travaux d’adduction d’eau au Centre Brousse et & l’Ouast da Tanna,
Fl. le Flinistre Jimmy Chilia FIETO explique qu'il y a un pro jet d'adductions d’eau de la region concern^ mala qu'il ne aait pas quand commenceront les travaux.
iOS. Fl. le D6putP Wilson TARI SEUUTI demands au Flinistre des Travaux Publioe. e'il peut fairs d^placar deux pelleteusas vers i’Oueat d’Ambad pour r^parer les routes.
* 109. Fl. le Flinistrs Nipake NATAPEI explique qu'il y a beaucoup de demandes similalrea, mais que ceci demands des fonds et qu'il ne peut pas fairs de promesses.
11O. M. le D6put£ Jack Kalo NIAL demands au Flinistre responsable des Travaux Publics de donnsr des explications sur le plan du systems d'adductions d’eau de Santo.
11^. Fl. le Flinistrs Harold QUALAO dit qu’il y a un plan de changement de la
• station da pompage, car il y await un danger de pollution. Il ajoute qu’ils □nt ford 6 cfltd de la plantation Solway pour y d^placer la station da pompage et que Ise documenta du projet 6taient prets Si 6tre soumia aux agences. 1UZ. The sitting adjourned at 5.00 pm. La stance ast ajourn^e & 17H00 PARLIAMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF VANUATU
THIRD PARLIAMENT
FIRST MEETING OF THE FIRST ORDINARY SESSION OF 1989
TUESDAY__ 4TH__APR1L_ ]989
SPEAKER : The Hon. Onneyn M, TAHL, Member for Ambae
38 PRESENT :
The Hon. Donald KALPOKAS, Member for Efate ABSENT :
1. The Hon. Speaker opened rhe sirring at 8.45 am.
2. The Hon. Jack IAUKO said the prayer.
3. The Hon. Speaker read out the agenda.
TABLING OF DOCUMENTS
4. In accordance with Section 9(1) of the Audit of Public Accounts Act of 1983, the Speaker submitted the Auditor’s Report for the year ended 31st December 1987 and the Accounts and Financial Statements of 1987.
BILL FOR THE METEOROLOGY (AMENDMENT) ACT NO. OF 1989
COMMITTEE STAGE (Cont..)
5. Section 6, "Functions of the Service", was approved unanimously.
6. Section 7, "Powers of the Director", was approved unanimously. PARLEMENT OE LA REPUBLIQUE DE VANUATU
TROISIEME LEGISLATURE
1ERE ETAPE SESSIONNELLE OE LA 1ERE SESSION ORDINAIRE DE 1989
HARD I 04 AVRIL 1989
PRESIDENT : M. Onneyn H, TAHI, Ddputd d’Ambad
PRESENTS : 38 DSputSs
ABSENTS : Mr Donald KALPOKAS, DSputd d'Efatd.
La President du Parlement ouvre la stance & O0H45.
2. M. le Ddputg Jack IAUKO dit le pri&re.
3. Le President annonce I’ordre du jour,
DEPOT DE DOCUMENTS. 4. Le President annonce les ddpfits du Rapport du Contrfileur GGn^ral des Comptes pour 19B7, et des+Comptes et Etats financiers de l*ann^e 1987 du Ministre des Finances.
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EXAMEN EN COMMISSION (Suite) 5. L^rticle 6t “Roles du Service", eat approuvd £ 1*unanimity.
6 L*article 7, "Peuvoira du Directeur", eat approuvd & 1*unanimity 7. The Hon. Kalkoc MATAS KELEKELE suggested Chat Section 8 should be read in conjunction with Section 9 and questioned the powers of the Minister.
8. The Hon. Speaker read Seccion (2) of the Interim Financial Instructions of 1980 relating co the powers of the Minister and Section (3) relating to the duties of the accounting officers. ,
9. The sitting was suspended from 9.35 to 10.10 am.
10. The Hon. Kalkot MATAS KELEKELE, seconded by the Hon. Andrew WELWEL, proposed the amendment to insert between the words "Minister” and "make" in Che first line of Section 8 Che phrase "and subject to the Regulations made under Section 9".
11. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI indicated that he had no objections.
12. The motion to amend Section 8 by adding after "Minister" and before "make" in the first line the phrase "and subject to the regulations made « under Section 9", was carried unanimously.
13. Section 8, "Charges", as amended, was approved unanimously. *
14. Section 9, "Regulations", was approved unanimously.
15. Section 10, "Repeal of Joint Regulation 12 of 1956", was approved unanimously.
16. Section 11, "Commencement", was approved unanimously.
SECOND READING
17. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEL thanked the Members for their comments • and moved that the Bill for the Meteorology Act No. of 1989 be read a second time and pass. *
18. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE, seconded by the Hon. Joseph JACOBE, moved that Parliament return to Committee Stage for clarification of Section 9 in French text.
19. The Motion to return to Committee Stage to study specific points in the French Text was carried with 36 votes for and one against.
20. TThe Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE asked for clarification in Section 9 of the following in the French Text ; "pour preacrire toutes les questions guises selon la presence loi" which he thought did not make sense. 7. M. le DSputg Kalkot MATAS KELEKELE pense que Particle 8 devrait §tre lu avec Particle 9 et mdme en fairs partie. Il voudrait connaitre lea pouvoirs du Ministre.
8. Le President du Parlement lit 1*Article 2 du Rfeglement Conjoint sur les Finances Publiquss de 1980 relatif aux pouvoira du flinistre et 1*Article 3 relatif aux fonctions des agents comptables de PEtat.
9. La stance, suspendue & 09H35, reprend & 1OH1D.
10. M. le Odputd Kalkot MATAS KELEKELE propose la modification de Particle 8 an insurant aprfes le mot "Ministre" Pexpression "et les Rfeglsments pris en vertu de Particle 9".
11. M. le Minietre Nipaka NATAPEI se declare n’avoir aucune objection,
12. La motion portant la modification da Particle 8 on insurant apr&s le mot "Ministre" Pexpreasion "et les Rbglements pris en vertu de Particle 3", est adopts £ 1’unanimity.
13. L1 article 8 tel que niodifltS est adopts & Punanimity,
14. L*article 9, "HPqlements", est adopts & Punanimity.
15. L’article 10, "Abrogation du H6qlament Conjoint NO, 12 de 1986, est adopts & 1•unanimity. 16. L’article 11, "Entrde en viqueur", est adopts & 11 unanimity. DEUXIEME LECTURE 1?. M. le Ministra Nipaks NATAPEI propose que le projet de loi soit examine en deuxidme lecture et adopts
18. M. la D£put£ Vincent BDULEKQNE, appuy6 par le Odputd Joseph JACOBE, propose de re tournee & Pexamen en commission.
19. La motion portant le retour & Pexamen en commission est adoptee par 36 voix pourt et 1 voix cDntre.
20. M. le D6put3 Vincent BOULEKUNE demands des explications au sujet d’une expression & 1’article 9 que uoici ; "pour prescrire toutes les questions quises selon la presents loi" qu’il estime n’avoir aucune signification. 21. The Hon. Speaker asked the Clerk to read out the correct version.
22. The Clerk explained that there was a typing error and that the word "quises" should have been "requises" which gave sense to the phrase "pour prescrire toutes lea questions requises selon la preaente loi" in the French text.
23. Section 9 as amended in the French version was carried unanimously.
SECONDREADING
24. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI moved that the bill be read a second time and do pass.
25. The Motion that the Bill be read a second time and do pass was carried with 32 votes in favour and 5 abstentions.
BILL FOR THE OFFICIAL SALARIES (AMENDMENT) ACT NO.__OF 1989
FIRS1'_ READING
26. The Hon. Prime Minister introduced the Bill and moved that it be read a first time and do pass.
27. The motion that the Bill be read a first time and do pass was carried with 32 votes in favour and 5 abstentions.
COMMITTEE STAGE
28. Section I, *' Amendment of Act No. I J of 1983", was approved on division.
♦ 29. Section 2? "Commencement", was approved on division.
SECOND READING
30. The Hon. Prime Minister moved that the Bill be read a second time and do pass.
31. The motion that the Bill be read a second time and pass was carried with 32 votes in favour and 5 abstentions. 21. Le President donne la parole au Secretaire Ghnhral pour dlucider le problems.
22. Le Secretaire General du Parlement explique qu’il y a une faute de frappe et que le mot "quises" etait en realite "requises" ce qui donne I1expression exacts "pour prescrire toutes les questions requises selon la presents loi",
23. L’article 9 Del que modifie aux textes fran^ais est adopte & 1’unanimity.
OEUXIEME LECTURE 24. 1*1. le Ministre Nipake NATAPEI propose que le projet de loi soit examine an deuxihme lecture et adopte.
25. La motion portant adoption du projet de loi en deuxibme lecture eat adoptde par 32 voix pour et 5 abstentions.
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PREMIERE LECTURE 26. M. le Premier Ministre presents le projet de loi et propose qu*il soit examind en premiere lecture et adopts,
27. La motion portant adoption du projet de loi en premiers lecture est approuvde par 32 uoix pour et 5 abstentions.
EXAMEN EN COMMISSION 29, L'article 1t "Modification de la loi NO, 11 de 1983". eBt adopth & la majority dee uoix.
29. L*article 2t "Entrde en vigueur". est adopts h la majority des uoix.
OEUXIEME LECTURE 30. M. la Premier Minietre propose que le projet de loi soit examind en deuxidme lecture et adoptd,
31. La motion portant adoption du projet de loi en deuxihme lecture est adopts par 32 uoix pour et 5 abstentions. 32. The Hon. Speaker said that Che Bill for the Central Bank (Special Provisions) Act No. of 1989 and the Bill for the Ratification of the Loan Agreement between Che Republic of Vanuatu and Che International Development Association Act No. of 1989 had been distributed to the members but since they did not comply with
with Standing Order 26,, Che two bills would not be introduced to Parliament.
33. In accordance with Standing Order 46, the Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA moved a motion to suspend Standing Order 26, seconded by the Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU.
34. The Hon. Tele TAUN felt Chat the members should be allowed more time to read through the Bills. He prefered to discuss the bills in the af ternoon.
35. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE was surprised at the delay and questioned whether it was due to administrative difficulties. He was against the motion.
36. The Hon. Speaker explained that the two members may move a new motion to suspend the Hon. Minister Sela MOLlSA's motion in accordance with Standing Order 23.
37. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA apologized for the delay but explained that the Standing Orders provided for suspension to allow discussion.
38. The Hon. Hilda L1N1 supported the Minister's motion and stated that Che bills were not included in the list.
39. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE pointed out that the Bills were included in his list and said there might have been 2 different lists.
40. The Hon. Speaker stated that the title of the bill in the list was The Bill for the Central Bank of Vanuatu (Amendment) Act No. of 1989 whereas in Che Bill ic was the Bill for Che Central Bank of Vanuatu (Special Provisions) Act No. of 1989. He questioned the Minister on these changes of title.
41. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA replied that it was an error and asked the ‘ members to change (Amendment) to (Special Provisions) in the list. 32* La President explique que le projet de loi NO. de 1989 relatif & la Banque Centrala de Vanuatu (dispositions sp^ciales) et le Projet de loi NO. de 1989 relatif 6 la Convention de Prat entre la RSpubliqus de Vanuatu (ratification) □nt dt6 distribute aux dtputts mais que cee projets de loi ne ae sont pas conformds. aux dispositions de 1'Article 26 du Rtglemant Inttrieur et qu’en consequence lee deux projeta de loi ne eerqnt pas prdsentds au Parlement,
33. 1*1, le Ninistre Sola MOL ISA, appuyt du Ministre Sethy REGENVANU, propose de suspendre 1'Article 46 du Rtglament Intdrieur conformtment t 1'article 46 dudit Rbglement.
34. 1*1. le Dtputt T61t TAUN estime qu'il faut laisser plus de temps aux ddputds pour pouvoir ttudier lee projets de loi et ajoute qu'il prdfdre les considdrer l'aprds-midi.
35. M, le Odputd Vincent BOULEKONE declare s'dtonner du retard et demands si cet incident n'eet pas dQ aux difficulty matdrielles et adminietratives. Il ajoute qu'il dtsapprouve la motion.
36. Le President explique qu'en vertu de 1'article 23 du R&glement Intdrieur, les deux ddputda peuvent proposer une nouvells motion pour suspendre la motion du Miniatrs Sela MOLISA.
37. 1*1, le l*linistre des Finances s'excuse pour le retard mais indiqus que lea dispositions du Rbglement Intdrieur stipulent une suapanaion pour permettre des discussions,
38. Mme le Odputd Hilda LINI soutient la motion du MiniBtre et prdcisa que les projets ds loi ne figuraient pas sur la lists.
39. 1*1. le Ddputd Vincent BOULEKONE rdplique que les projBts de loi figuraient
sur bb lists ou qu'il y auait peut fitra 2 listee difftrantes.
40. Ls President fait remarquar que le titre du projet de loi qui figurait sur la lists se liaait alnsi ’’projet de loi NO. de 1989 relatif t la Banque Cantrale de Vanuatu (modification)" alors que celui qui est sur le projet de loi se lit "Projet de loi NO, de 1989 relatif b la Banque Centrale (dispositions aptciales)" at demands des explications sur ce cllangemant de titre au Ministre.
41. I»l, la Minietre des Finances indique qu'il s'agit d'une erreur et demands aux dtputte de remplacer le mot "modification" par 1'expression Vdispositions sptcialee" sur la Hate. 42. The Hon. Speaker asked the Hon. Minister of Finance if the actual title should be the Bill for the Central Bank of Vanuatu (Special Provisions) (Amendment) Act No. of 1989.
43. The Hon. Minister Sela M0L1SA explained that the Government's Legal * Draftsman had decided to have (Amendment) substituted by (Special Provisions).
44. The Hon. Minister Harold QUALAO wondered whether the bills were sub mitted fifteen days prior to the day of discussion.
45. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE said that there was a need to amend the motion. He complained that there was a blockage somewhere to prevent or delay bills being introduced in Parliament. He said whoever was interfering with the duties of Parliament should stop.
46. The Hon. Speaker responded that the English version of the bill was ready but the French required a legal translator to work on it. He said that the Bill had about ten thousand words and also stated that he was not aware of any blockage.
47. The Hon. Kalkot MATAS KELEKELE moved that the question be taken.
48. The motion to suspend Standing Order 26 in accordance with Standing Order 46 to discuss the 2 bills was carried with 32 votes in favour and 5 abstentions.
49. The sitting was suspended at 11.30 am.
* 50. The sitting resumed at 2.10 pm.
«■ 51. The Hon. Roger Jerry BOE seconded by the Hon, Hilda LINT moved a motion to defer the Bill for the Central Bank (SPECIAL PROVISIONS) Act No. of 1989 and the Bill for the Ratification of the Loan Agreement between the Republic of Vanuatu and the International Development Associ ation Act No. of 1989 to Thursday 6th April and Friday 7th April 1989.
52. The Hon. Hilda LINT stated that the Bills were important and that members should be allowed enough time to study them.
53. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE supported the motion refering to Section 46 ( l) of Standing Order. 42. Le President demands si le titre du projet de loi doit so lire alors ainsi "Projet de loi NO. de 1989 relatif d la Banque Centrals de Vanuatu (dispositions spdcialea).
43. M, le Ministre des Finances explique que 1'Attorney Gdndral a ddcidd d'enleuer le mot "(modification)** et de le remplacer par "(dispositions spdciales)".
44. 1*1. le Ministre Harold QUALAO demands si les projets de loi dtaient aoumia 15 jours auant le jour de la discussion.
45. M. le Ddputd Vincent BOUtEKONE aouligne le besoin de modifier la motion et
declare qu'il doit Stre des agents promoteurs des empfichementa et du retard des projets de loi. Il ajouts que toute personna qui s'emploie d se mSler des affaires du Parlemant doit arr§ter ses agissements.
46. Le President explique que la version anglaise du projet de loi est ddjd prSte mais que la uersion frangaiee exige un traducteur juridique pour la traduire . Il ajoute que le projet de loi comports 10.000 mots et qu'il n'est pas au courant d'aucun ampechement.
47. M. le Ddputd Kalkot MATAS KELEKELE propose de voter la motion.
48. La motion portent suspension de l'article 26 du Rbglement Intdrieur conformdment d l'article 46 dudit Rdglement pour dtudier 2 projets de loi est adoptds par 32 uoix pour et 5 abstentions.
49. La adance est auapendue d 11H30.
50. La sdance reprend d 14H10.
51. M. le Ddputd Roger Jerry BOE, appuyd par le Ddputd Hilda propose que le projet de loi relatif d la Convention de Prfit entre la Rdpublique de Vanuatu et 1*Association Internationale de Ddveloppement (ratification) et le projet de loi relatif d la Banque Centrals De Vanuatu (Dispositions spdciales) aoient examinds au Parleinsnt le Jeudi 6 Avril et Vendredi 7 Avril pour permettre aux Ddputds de les dtudier.
52. Mme la Ddputd Hilda LINI precise que ces 2 projets de loi sont importants et qu'ils ndcessitent d'etre dtudids avant la stance parlemsntaire.
53. M. le Ddputd Vincent BOULEKONE appuie la motion de suspension en se rdfdrant d l'article 46 (1) du Rdglement Intdrieur. 54. The motion to Defer the Bill for the Central Bank (Special Provisions) Act No, of 1989 to Thursday 6th April and the Bill for the Ratification of the loan agreement between the Republic of Vanuatu and the International Development Association Act No. of 1989 to Friday 7th April was carried with 32 votes in favour, 1 against and . 3 abstentions.
55. The Hon. Roger Jerry BOE seconded by the Hon. Hilda L1NI moved a motion to suspend Section 23 of Standing Orders in order to study the Written Motions immediately instead of during the period from 4.00 to 5.00 pm.
56. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU disagreed with the motion as he pointed out that it would cause confusion to members. He suggested that it would be better to leave written motions until 4.00 pm according to the agenda and in the meantime move on to the confirmation of minutes.
57. The Hon. Tele TAUN supported the motion and stressed that the members were wasting time and moved that the motion be voted on.
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58. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI agreed with the Hon. Tele TAUN.
59. The motion to suspend Section 23 of Standing Orders to study the written motions immediately was carried with 20 votes in favour and 16 abstentions♦
WRITTEN motions
60. The Hon. Roger Jerry BOE, seconded by the Hon. Hilda LINI, presented the motion No. 1 of 1989 (document attached)
61. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU corrected the spelling of the word "Civil*' which was mis-spelled in d) as ,'cicil".and also the word "consolidation" which was mis-spelled as "consliation" and the same word mis-spelled in e) in the english text.
62. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA stated that there were 3 Committees in Parliament : the Standing Orders Committee, the Public Accounts Committee and the Priviledges Committee which had been withdrawn. He added that it would be appropriate to concentrate on the reports of the Auditor General and the Minister of Finance instead of debating the constitution of a priviledges committee. *
63. The Hon. Speaker explained that 3 committees existed last year. 54. motion visant d suspendre I1examan des projets de loi jusqu’& Jeudi 6 Avril et Vsndredi 7 Avril est adoptee par 32 voix pour, 3 abstentions et 2 contra.
55. PI. le D£put£ Roger Jerry BOE, appuyd par le DSputd Hilda LINI, propose une motion uisant & euspendre 1’article 23 du RSglement Int^rieur pour dtudier las motions Kerites d6s maintenant au lieu de le faire & l'heure habituelle de 16H00 17HDO.
56. M. le Miniatre.Sethy REGENVANU estime que tous ces changements vont cr^Br de la confusion et qu’il serait prdfdrablo de laisser les motions Kerites d leur place dans l’ordre du jour et de proedder d la confirmation des proofs- verbaux en attendant.
57. M, le DSputd Tdl6 TAUN appuie la motion et fait remarquer que l’on a assez perdu de tempo et qu’il serait bon de passer au vote.
58. M. le Miniatre Nipake NATAPEI pense qu’il faut voter la motion.
59. La motion visant & suapendre 1’article 23 du R&glement intdrieur pour examiner les motions Kerites d&s maintenant, au lieu de 16H00 & 17H00, est adoptee par 20 voix pour et 16 abstentions.
MOTIONS ECRITES. 60. M. le Ddputd Roger Jerry BOE, appuyh par le D^putd Hilda LINI, presents la Motion NO. 1 de 1989 (document joint).
61. M. le Miniatre Sethy REGENVANU fait remarquer qu’au d), il faut rectifier le mot "cicil" en ’’civil’1 et ’’consoliation" en "consolidation” et qu’au e), il faut rectifier le mot "consolitation" en "consolidation" dans le texts anglais.
62. M. le Miniatre Sela MOLISA comments qu’il sxietait troia commiaaiona au Parlement la Commission des Comptes Publics, la Commission des privileges qui a dt£ supprim^e at la Commission du Rdglement Intdrieur. Il ajoute qu’il serait judicieux de ee concentrer aur lea rapports du Contrflleur Gdndral des Comptea et du Ministbre dsa Finances au lieu de d^battre de la r^instaurstion da la Commission des privileges.
63. Le President du Parlement explique que l'an dernier le ParlBment comptait trois commissions. Deux motions avaisnt adoptees pour la formation de la Commission das Comptes Publics et la Commission du Rfeglement IntSrieur. La troisi&me motion viaant 1’inatauration d’une Commission dee privileges avait 6t6 rejet£e,
Il expllquu qua la Premier Ministra et le Chef da 1'Opposition n’ont pas nommd Two motions were approved to establish the Public Accounts Committee and the Standing Orders Committees. The 3rd motion concerning the Priviledges Committee was rejected. He stated that the Prime Minister and the Leader of Opposition had not nominated members to form the Public Accounts Committee, so no inspection of accounts had been made « He pointed out further that no members had been appointed to form the Standing Orders Committee therefore no inspection had been made. He said that the same thing applied to the Priviledge Committee, so once the errors had ibeen corrected, the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition would have to appoint members for the committee if the motion was approved.
64 . The motion to constitute a Committee on Parliamentary Rights, Priviledges, Immunities and Entitlements was approved unanimously.
65. The session was adjourned at 2.50 pm and would resume on Thursday 6th April at 8.30 am. de ddputda pour former la Commission dee Comptea Publics, aussi aucun axeman des comptea n'a pu 8tra fait. Aucun ddputd n'a dtd nommd pour constituer la
Commission du RSglemert Intdriaur, done aucun examen n'a dtd fait 16 auesi. Pour la Commission dee privileges, il faudra qua le Premier Pliniatre et le
£hef de 1*Opposition ddslgnent dee ddputds pour la constituer si la motion
oat accaptda.
64. La motion visant 6 "la Constitution d'une Commission des pouvoire, privileges immunitda et droits parlementairee" eat adoptde 6 1'unanimity.
65* La stance eat lavde 6 14M50 at reprendra la Oeudi 6 avril 6 O0H3O. PARLIAMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF VANUATU
THIRD PARLIAMENT
FIRST MEETING OF THE FIRST ORDINARY SESSION OF 1989 ✓
THURSDAY 6 APRIL 1989
SPEAKER * The Hon. Onneyn M. TAHI, Member for Ambae
* PRESENT «■ 38
The Hon. Donald KALPOKAS, Member for Efate ABSENT •
1. The Hod. Speaker open- the session at 8.35 am.
2. The Hon. Aileh RANTES said the prayer.
3. The Hon. Speaker read out the agenda.
CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES Minutes of 16th December 1988
4. The minutes of 16th December 1988 were approved unanimously.
Minutes of 17th December 1989
5. A typing error in Paragraph 2 was pointed out by the Hon. George BAET. He explained that the word s^ouid ge changed to "said".
6. The Hon. Tele TAUN pointed out several typing errors in the following paragraphs: Paragraph 11, "isalnds" should be corrected as "islands"; paragraph 17, "devlop" should be corrected as ’’develop"; paragraph 2, "trnasport" should be corrected as "transport"; paragraph 26, "poltiical" should be corrected as "political". PARLENENT DE LA REPUBLIQUE DE VANUATU
TROSIENE LEGISLATURE
1£RE ETAPE SESSIDNNELLE DE LA 1ERE SESSION ORDINAIRE DE 19B9
□EUDI 06 AVRIL 1969
PRESIDENT : M Onneyn ffl. TAHI, Ddputd d’Ambad
PRESENTS : 30 Ddputda
ABSENTS M. Donald KALPOKAS, Ddputd d'Efatd. *
1. Le President ouvre la adance d 08H35.
2. H. le Ddputd Allah RANTES dit la pridre.
3. Le Prdaident annonce l'ordre du> jour.
CONFIRMATION DES PROCES VLHUAUX. Confirmation des Procds-verbaux du 16_Ddi ibreA_1968.
4. Lea pracds-verbaux du 16 Ddcemhre, 1980 sont approuvds d l’unanimitd.
E22«£!22-£ 2. Ddcembre^ 1968.
5. 1*1. le Ddputd George BAET fait remarquer qu’il y a une erreur de frappe au paragraphs 2 st expllque que la mot "siad" dans le texts anglais doit etre "said".
6. M, le Ddputd Tdld TAUN indiqus aussi pluaieurs autree ensure dans lee paragraphea auiuante du texts anglais ; Paragraphs 11 "iaalnda" doit fitrB remplacd par "islands'
Paragraphs 17 "davlop" doit Stre remplacd par "develop" ; Paragraphs 2 "trnaaport" doit etre remplacd par "transport" ; Paragraphs 26 "poltiical" doit fitre remplacd par "political". 7. The Hon. Speaker agreed to include the corrections.
8. The Minutes of 17th December 1988, as amended, were approved unanimously.
Minutes of 19th December 1988
9. The Hon. Tele TAUN expressed doubt about the sum of 265.000 VT allocated to the Secondary and Tertiary Education in Paragraph 48.
10. The Speaker informed the Hon. Members to change the sum to 265.747.000 VT.
11. The Hon. Minister Iolu ABBIL stated that his name should be spelt "lolu ABBIL" and not "Iolu ABLL" through out the minutes.
12. The Hon. Joseph JACOBE insisted that the term "Banque Centrale de Vanuatu" in Paragraph 82 in the French version of the minutes should be replaced by Banque de Development de Vanuatu".
13. The Hon. Minister Sela M0L1SA explained that "Business Licence" should be inserted in the space provided for in Paragraph 101 in the English version of the minutes.
14. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPI pointed out that the spelling error in Para. 104 "Commencment" should be substituted with "Commencement".
15. The Hon. Minister William MAHIT declared that the name "Tarisevuti" should be two separate names.
16. The Hon. Wilson Tari SEVUT1 confirmed the Minister’s point.
17. The Hon. Minister Harold QUALAO stated that in the blank space provided for in Para. 159, "the Lonorore is one and" should be inserted.
18. Referring to Para. 162, Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA said "build" should be changed to "built".
19. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU declared that the name of the Hon. Member of Maewo should be written fully as "Roger Jerry BOE" throughout the minutes. 7 Le President accepts les corrections
8. Les prccbs-verbaux du 17 Ddcembrs, 1988, tels que modifies sont approuvds 6 l’unanimitd.
Confirmation dee grocbB-verbaux du'19 Dhcembrei 1988.
9. I*l. le Ddputd T616 TAUN exprime un doute sur le montant da 255.000 VT, alloud b 1’Education secondaire Bt tertiaire, au paragraphs 48.
10. Le President informs lea ddputds da remplacer le montant par 265.747.000 Vatu.
11. M. le Miniatre de l'Intdrieur explique que aon nom doit 8tre dcrit ”Iolu ABSIL" et non "Iolu ABIL" dans lea procba-verbaux.
12. I*), la Ddputd Joseph JACOBE demands b ce que l’expreasion SanquB Centrals de Vanuatu" dans le texts fran^aia au paragraphs 82 doit fttre remplacd par a l’expreseion "Banque de DdVeloppement de Vanuatu".
13. M. le Miniatre des Finances, 1*1, Sala MOL ISA, explique qu’il faut insurer dans le texts anglais au paragraphs 101 dans l’espace fourni l’expreseion "Business Licence".
14. PI. le Ministre Nipake NATAPEI indique qu’il y a une erreur de frappe au paragraphs 104 du mot "commencment" qui doit etre par "commencement".
15. M. le Plinistre William MAHIT declare que le nom "TARISEVUTI" doit etre edperS en dsux noma dietincts.
15. M. le Ddputd Wilson TAR I SEVUTI confirms les propos du PliniBtre.
17. M, le Plinistre Harold QUALAO indique qu’il faut insurer dans l’eepace fourni au paragraphs 159 sur le texts anglais l’expreseion "the Lonorore is one and".
18. Faieant mention du paragraphs 162 du texts anglais, le Ministre des Finances explique qua le mot "build" doit dtre remplacd par "Built".
19. I*l» le Plinistre de l’Education, I*). Sethy REGENVANO, ineiste b ce que le nom du Odputd de Mahuo suit toujoura dcrit en entier dans les procbs-verbaux, c’Bst h dire comma suit : "Roger Jerry BOE". 20. The Hon. Sela M0L1SA said the name "Asanvwari" in Para. 166 should be spelt "Asanwari".
21. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI pointed out the same name was also incorrectly typed in Paragraph 167.
22. The Hon. Minister Jack P. HOPA preferred his name to be written as "Jack T. HOPA" and not "Jack HOPA".
23. The Minutes of 19th December 1988, as amended, were approved unanimously.
Minutesof ]9th December ]988 ^evening)
24. The Hon. Tele TAUN remarked that Para. 56 should be read as "that had not met with" instead of "that had met".
25. The Hon. Joseph JACOBE explained that the list of the members late in the English version did not correspond with the French. He said that the * names "Daniel KATH" and "Gaetano BULEWAK " in the English version were altered to "NATO Daniel" and Basil TABI".
26. The Hon. Speaker told the House to change the name "TABI Basil" in the French version of the minutes to "BULEWAK Gaetano" and "Daniel KATH" in the English version to "Daniel NATO".
27. The Hon. Member for Santo/Malo explained that he prefered his name to be written as J. Kalo N1AL".
♦ 28. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI felt that the word "vacancies", should be expressed as "vacant seats" in the English text. *
29. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU pointed out that the name "Daniel lAMlAMHAM" was mispelled and should be corrected as "Daniel IAMIAHAM".
30. The Hon. Speaker corrected the name "IAMIAHAM", which was mis-spelled in the English and French version.
31. The Hon. Daniel IAMIAHAM corrected the word "Opposition" which was mis-spelled in Section 42. 20. M. le Ministre dee Finances explique que le num "Asanvwari" au paragraphs 116 doit Stre dcrit "Aeanvari" •
21. M. le Ministre Nipake NATAPEI indique que la mfime nom est auasi mal dcrit au paragraphe 167,
22. M. le Ministre Jack T. HOPA fait mention d son nom et demands d ce qu'il soit toujours dcrit Jack T. HOPA et non “Jack HOPA”.
23. Lea procds-verbaux du 19 Ddcambre, 1988 tels que modifies sont approuvds d l'unanimitd.
Confirmation dee grocds-verbaux du 19 Ddcembre^ 1988 (soir).
24. M. le Ddputd Tdld TAUN fait remarquer que le paragraphs 56 doit dtre lu comma suit ’’that had not met with” au lieu de "that had met".
25. M. le Ddputd Joseph JACOBE explique que les deux Hates dee textes anglais et frangaie de ddputds aux titree de RETARD ne se concordent pas et declare que les noms "KATH Daniel" et "BULEUAK Gaetano" sont remplacda au texts frangaia par NATO Daniel et Basil TABI.
26. M. le President demande aux ddputds de remplacer dans le texte frangaia le nom "TABI Basil" par "BULEWAK Gadtano", et dane le texte anglais le mot "KATH Daniel" par "NATO Daniel".
27. M. le Ddputd de la Rdgion de Santa / Malo explique qu'il prdfdre que son nom soit dcrit Kalo NIAL”.
26. M. le Ministre Nipake NATAPEI estime que le mot "vacancies” dans le texte anglais doit 6tre remplacd par lfexpression "vacant seats".
29. M. la Ministre Sethy REGENVANU indique que le nom de "Daniel IAMIAHAM" a dtd mal dpdld et doit dtra dcrit "Daniel IAMIAHAM",
30. Le Prdsident du Parlement prdcise qu’il faut modifier l'orthographe du nom du Ddputd "IAMIAHAM" dans les versions frangaiee et anglaise,
31. M, le Ddputd Daniel IAMIAHAM indique qu'il faut corriger l'orthographe du mot "opposition" dans Is paragraphe 42. 32. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE stated that it would be better to add the titles of each member in front of their names eg. The Hon. Prime Minister Fr. Walter LINI.
33. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA pointed out the spelling error of "international” in section 42.
34. The Hon. Speaker stressed that members should correctly spell their names on the list submitted to Parliment.
35. The Hon. Minister Iolu ABBIL stressed that it would be better to re-read and double check the minutes before they were submitted to Parliament.
36. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU seconded by the Hon. Robert KARIE moved that the "Minutes of 19th December 1988 be approved (as amended).
37. The minutes of 19th December 1988 were approved unanimously.
Minutes of 20th December 198ft
38. The Hon. Speaker corrected the no. of members present to 34.
39. The Hon. Prime Minister Fr. Walter H. LINI pointed out in Section 14 that the words "Hon. Minister" should be put in front of Fred TIMAKATA. He stated that in future the titles of members should be put in front of their names.
40. The Hon. Minister Jimmy Chilia METO stated that the meaning of Section 20 was slightly different in the English and French versions.
I 41. The Hon. Speaker declared that the word "re^oit" be deleted and replaced by the word "recu" in the French version. He further added that the phrase "dans sa presentation du 7eme Rapport Annual de 1986 de la Banque de Developpement de Vanuatu" should be deleted and replaced with the word "au" before "Point 4".
42. Refering to Section 37 the Hon. Minister Jack T. HOPA demanded the deletion of the phrase "was carried" as it had appeared twice in the sentence. 32. M. Vincent BOULEKONE, Chef da 1'Opposition, fait remarquer qu'il faudrait toujoura fairs prdcdder lea noma dee Ministree et das Ddputds, de lours titres. Par example Monsieur le Premier Minietre Walter LINI, Chef de l'Opposition, Vincant BOULEKONE.
33. M. le Ministre Sela MOLISA indique qu'il faut corriger l'orthographa du mot "international" dans le paragraphs 42.
34. M. le President du Parlement indique aux ddputde d'gcrire lours nome correctement sur la lists qu'ile donnent au Parlement.
35. 1*1. le Ministre lolu ABB IL precise qu'il serait judicieux de toujours relire les procfes-verbaux avant ds les distribuer aux d£put6a.
36. M. le Ministre Sethy REGENVANU, appuyd par le D£put£ Robert KARIE, propose que les procda-uerbaux du 19 Ddcefnbre, 1988 saient adoptde.
37. Les proc&s-verbaux du 19 Odcembre, 1988, tela que modifies, aont approuvSe & l'unanimitd.
P2OCES-J/ERBAL_DU_20_DECEMBRE_19B8.
38. Le President du Parlement indique de modifier le nombre dee d&putge prdaents 6 34.
39. M. le Premier Ministre Father Walter H. Ll^-^rj^iique que dans le paragraphs 14 de la version anglaiBe, on peut lire "Honorable Fred K. TIMAKATA" et qu'il faudrait le corriger en "Honorable Ministre Fred K. TIMAKATA". Il ajoute que lee noma des ddput^s et ministres devraient fitre prdc^dde dee mote M. le D^putd ou M. Le Ministre.
40. M. le Ministre Jimmy Chilia METO indique que le paragraphe 20 du textB frangaie eat different dans la version angleise en ce qu'il est mains prdcis,
41. Le President du Parlement indique de modifier le paragraphe 20 an remplagant le mot "regali par le mot "regu" dans la version frangaiae. Oe plus, 11 indique de eupprimer les mots "dans sa presentation du 7bn»a Happort Annuel de 1909 de la Banque de Ddveloppement de Vanuatu* et d'ajouter le mot "au" avant Apaiat 4",
42. I*l, le Ministre Jack T. HOPA fait remarquer que dans le paragraphe 37, il faut aupprimer lee mots "was carried" dans la version anglaise puisqu'ils s'y trouvent deux fols 43. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI asked for a correction to be made on point No. 10 in the French text by adding ’’pour que le mot Abil sole remplace par Abbil".
44. The Hon. Tele TAUN seconded by the Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU, moved that the Minutes of 20.12.88 as amended be approved.
45. The motion was passed unanimously.
46. The sitting was suspended from 10.35 to 11.07 .
BILL FOR THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE REPUBLIC OF VANUATU AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION (RATIFICATION) ACT NO. OF 1989
£i£8t_Reading
47. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA introduced the bill for Che Agreement between the Republic of Vanuatu and the International Development Association (Ratification) Act No. of 1989, read its purpose and provisions and moved chat the bill be read a first time and pass.
48. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU supported the principle of the bill as its finance was important and necessary for the development and progress of Primary and Secondary education in Vanuatu. He added that the project components included 2 junior secondary schools, 2 regional education offices, staff for che central region, one for Santo and one for Ambae and equipment for these schools. He said that the Curriculum Development Unit was to be renovated and upgraded, which would include the production of teaching materials and teacher training. He also explained that the project included technical assistance in terms of manpower and field support, 7 years staff salaries and expenses. He concluded that the project involved heavy finance, part of which would be financed by grant and it would provide a further 600 places for students.
49. The Hon. Hilda LINI supported the bill since the economic situation of Vanuatu was such that the government had to get a loan from overseas in order to upgrade Vanuatu education. She asked whether the loan of 800 million vatu signed with the World Bank was the same as that in the bill and asked the Minister repsonsible to clarify "dua-lingual schools" and whether these schools were exceptionally different from other existing schools. She also * asked the Minister whether there was no other way to provide buildings for Regional Education Offices than through this loan agreement and whether the,
loan could be used in other areas not specified in the bill. 43. M. le flinistre Nipake NATAPEI demands d’apporter une correction au ND. 10 en ajoutant “pour que le mot "ADIL" soi remplacd par "ABBIE"".
44. PI. le Odput6 Tdl6 TAUN, appuy^ par Pl. le flinistre Sethy REGENVANU, propose que aoient approuvds lea proc&s-verbaux du 20 Ddcembre, 1968, tela que modifies.
45. Lee Procba-verbaux du 20 D^cembre, 1988, tela que modifies, aont adoptSs & l’unanimita.
46. La edanca, auapendue & 10H35, reprend & 11H07.
VJNUATU^ET VASSOCI AT ION_INTERNAT ION ALE_DE^DEVELOPPEMENT_( RATIFICATION).
PREMIERE LECTURE 47. Mo le flinistre Sela MOLISA presents le projet de loi et propose qufil soit examine en premiere lecture et approuvd.
48. M. le Miniatre Sethy REGENVANU aoutient lea principea du projet de loi car il eatime que css finances aont importantes et ndcesaairea pour le d£veloppement et le progr&s de 11enseignemsnt primaire et secondaire & Vanuatu. Il ajoute que le projet comprend 2 6colas aecondairea du 1ar Cycle, 2 bureaux du Conaeil regional d1Education, 1 personnel pour la region centrale, 1 pour Santo st 1 autre pour Ambag et des 6quipementB pour toutee cea dcoles. Il explique que
la Centre de Recharches da Documentation P^dagogique aera rsnov6, et verra son niveau relev6, le renforcament du materiel pSdagogique et par consequent la formation des enaeignanta. Il fait aauoir que le projet comprend de 1‘Assietance technique, en main d’oeuvre chargee de rdaliaer ce projet, le aoutien au personnel employ^, eept ans de aalairee et fraia du personnel. Il continue en diaant que le projet demandsrait de trfes lourdaa finances si bien que la molti£ sera finances par dea subventions mala qu'en contropartis, il permettrait de fournir
une Education & 600 61&vbs suppl^mentairee.
49. Mme le Ddputa Hilda LINI aoutient les principea du projet de loi vu la situation dconomique de Uanuatu qui oblige le Gouvernement 6 emprunter pour relever la niveau de I1Education & Vanuatu. Elie demands ai le prfit de 8 millions de vatu aignd avec la Banque Mondiale eat le rnSme que calui de ce projet de loi et demands aueai au flinistre reaponaable d’expliquer le sens de I1expression sn anglais "dual-lingual schools" et si cee derni&reB sont diffdrentea des gcoles qui existent actuellemant. Elie continue en demandant au Miniatre a’il n’exiete pas un autre moyen ds fournir des bureaux aux coneeillars r^glonaux d’6ducation
qu’en peasant par cette convention de prfit et ei le prftt pourrait fitre utilise 50. The Hon. Joseph JACOBE expressed disagreement with the way in which the loan was going to be used as it was heavy and would have to be paid back in the future. He added that it was necessary to reform the two-medium schools as Vanuatu was not an industrialised country and he considered that a reform committee including church and government leaders be established for high level cooperation especially in agriculture.
51. The sitting was suspended at 11.30.
52. The sitting resumed at 14.10 pm.
53. The Hon. Daniel IAMIAHAM supported the principles of the bill because it would help construct, furnish and equip the two junior secondary schools on Malekula and in Tafea. He said education was the key to development.
54. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI supported the principles of the bill and explained that low income families in the Tafea region may now be able to send their children to a secondary school in their region. *
54. The Hon. Roger Jerry BOE supported the principles of the bill but asked the Government to guarantee that the other four junior secondary schools would continue to receive assistance from the Government.
56. The Hon. Robert SARKI supported the principles of the bill and also declared that education was the key to development. He hoped chat the loan would solve the present difficulties in Che schools.
57. The Hon. Andrew WELWEL expressed his concern that the loan would be mainly to upgrade two particular schools and Baid that a building cannot improve education. He said that in the Wai Lie Congress, the VP Committee for , Ambrym expressed concern for the Ranon Junior Secondary School. He pointed out Chat he would support the bill in the hope chat Che Minister would be more fair in the future. dans d'autres domaines non sptcifits dans le projet de loi
50. 1*1. la Dtputt Joseph JACOBE a'estime ne peB Stre d'accord sur la manibre dont sera utiliat la prSt, puiequ'il eat aasez tlevt et noue devrons rembourser 6 l'avenir. Il ajoute qu'il est nbcessaire de reformer les deux systbmea d'enseignement puisqua Vanuatu n'est pas un pays industrialist et qu'il estime qu'une Commission de reforms composts de dirigeante das tglises et du Gouvernement aoit ttabli pour une collaboration plus importanta et que le pays doit mettre l'accent sur 1'agriculture.
51. La stance est Buspendue t 11H30.
52. La stance reprend t 14H10.
53. I*l. le Dtputt Daniel IAMIAHAM aoutient lee principes du projet de loi, car ce prtt aervira b la construction, l'ameublement et l'tquipement de deux tcolee secondaires du ler Cycle sur Flallicolo Bt t Tafta, Il ajoute qua l'tducation est la clt du succts du Dtveloppement.
54. 1*1. le Minietre Nipake NATAPEI aoutient lee principes du pro jet de loi et explique que lea families de Tafta qui pergoivent un maigre revenu pourront h l'avenir avoir la possibility d'envoyer lours enfants dans une tcole sscondaire dans leur rtgion.
55. f*l, le Dtputt Roger Jerry BOE aoutient les principes du projet de loi et demands au Gouvernement de continuer t prtter assistance aux quatres tcolee secondaires de 1er Cycle.
56. f*l. le Otputt Robert SARKI aoutient lee principes du projet de loi et confirms que l'tducation est la clt du dtveloppement, Il ajoute qu'il esptre que le prSt allbgera les difficultte qui existent actuellement dans les tcolee.
57. M. la Dtputt Andren UELUEL se eoucie du fait que le but du prSt est en principe de rthausser la niveau de deux tcoles et dtclare que la construction d'un bStiment n'amtliorera pas l'tducation. Il ajoute qu'au cours du Congrts de LJallie, le comitt du Vanuaaku Party d'Ambrym a axprimb leur preoccupation au sujat de 1'tcole secondairs da 1er Cyclo de Ranon. Il indique qu'il soutiendra le projet de loi dans l'espoir que le Plinistre ds 1'Education sera plus tquitable t l'avenir. 58. The Hon. George BAET supported the principles of the bill but felt that the bill would not benefit the rural sectors, but only the two Junior Secondary « Schools. He said that, if the bill was approved, Government must guarantee to continue to assist the other secondary schools. He remarked that the > fifty teachers to be trained should be distributed fairly to all the secondary schools. He said he would not support the bill if the Government did not promise that the bill would benefit other schools too.
59. The Hon. Kavcor WASS supported the principles of the bill because he felt that Tafea should have a secondary school. He pointed out that there were other reasons why this bill should be approved and one of them was the provision of in-service training for primary school teachers. He questioned whether the 50 teachers would be trained within the period and if part of this loan would account for Phase 3 of Matevulu College. He urged the heads of departments to make good use of the budget allocated to them in order to benefit the country as a whole.
60. The Hon. Gaetano BULEKEWAK queried whether the two secondary schools concerned were bilingual.
61. The Hon. Gideon KOTA supported the principles of the bill and said that the two schools would serve the whole country,
62. The Hon. Minister of Finance, Sela MOLISA explained that SDR 6.300.000 was approximately VT 809 million according to the present exchange rate. He said the project would cover 7 years and within this period the 50 teachers would be trained. He stated that the two schools were dual-lingual and that the preamble of the Agreement concerned the financial development of the Matevulu College but the loan would not account for this project. Australian Development Assistant Bureau would finance it. He pointed out tb£t over 30% of the Government total budget was spent on education and he supported hiB coilegues' view that education was the key to development. He regreted to inform the House that the loan could not be used on projects other than those in the Agreement,
63. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU explained chat these were the first dual lingual schools and that they demonstrated the promotions and develop ment of English and French languages. He eaid there were 5 Regional Education Officers (R.E.O) in the country and part of the loan was to provide finance for the R.E.O’s to carry out their duties. He declared that in future 3 Other K.E.Os would be allocated to other parts of the country. He continued that the policies of Lhe Government were to provide a unified 5B. 1*1. 1b Ddputd George BAET aoutient lea principes du projet de loi mais estime qua le proJet de loi ne favoriaera paa lea sacteura ruraux mais uniquement deux Scolea aecondairea de Premier Cycle. Il ajoute que ei le projet de loi est approuvSe le Gouvernement doit continuer & prfiter assistance aux autrea 6colee aecondairea. Il fait remarquer qua lea 50 enaeignants qui seront form6a devront etre affect^a dquitablement aux dcolea aacondairee. Il ajoute qu’il ne aoutiendrait pas le projet de loi si le Gouvernement ne garantiasait pas que les autres 6coles b^nSficieront du prfit.
59. 1*1. le D6put£ Kaucor WASS aoutient laa principes du projet de loi car il eatime que la region de Taf6a doit avoir une 6cola aecondaire. Il ajoute qu’il y a d’autres ©vantages pour leaquels ce projet de loi doit fitre approuviS. Il indique qu’un de ces ©vantages est la formation deB anseignants de l’dcole primaire. Il demands si les 50 anseignants seront formas au cours de la periods et si une prartie du pr§t reviendra d la 36me phase du college de Matdvulu. Il conaeille vivement aux directeura d’Stabliesements ecolaires de gdrer convenablement leurs allocations budgdtaires pour en faire profiter Vanuatu.
60. (*l. le Ddputd BULEWAK Gedtano demande ei les deux ScoIbb aacondairee concern^es aaront bilinguae.
61. 1*1. le D£put£ Gideon KOTA soutient les principes du pro jet de loi et ajoute que les deux 6coles aacondairee aerviront tout le pays.
62. 1*1. le Ministre dee finances, M. Sela MOL ISA, explique que le montant DTS 6.300.000
represents approximatlvement 009 millions 0b vatu, selon les taux de change actuel. Il declare que le proJet durera 7 ana et les 50 enaeignants seront formas au cours de cstte periods. Il indique que les deux dcoles aecondairea seront & 2 langues
et que la preface de la Convention concerns le developpement financier du College de Matevulu mais qua le prSt ne financsra paa ce projet. Il ajouta que le Bureau australien d’assistance au ddvsloppemsnt finnocera ce prajet. Il eouligne que plus de 30% du budget du Gouvernement est affects & l’Education et aoutient les propos de ass collogues qui disaient que 1’Education est la cl£ du developpement* Il s’estime rsgretter d’informer lee dSputde que le prat ne peut pas etre utilisd pour des projeta autrea que ceux mentionn^a dans la Convention.
63. 1*1. le Ministre Sethy REGENVANU explique que ces dcoles sont les premieres £coles & 2 langues et que cette realisation confirms la promotion et le developpement de l’anglais et du frangais. Il indique qu’il y a 5 conseillera rGgionaux pour l’Education et qu'une partie du pr6t aervira & financer leur service. Il souligne qu’6 l’avenir, 3 autrea conaBillers rdgionaux pour l’Education seront affectSs syllabus and also to improve all levels of education. He urged the Hon. Members to encourage their people to make good use of their natural resources to earn more income and not to bother about what their country could do for them but rather what they could do to help development in the country.
64. The Hon. Prime Minister, Fr. Walter H. LINI commented on the Bill saying that in the period from 1980 to 1985 the primary schools experienced many difficul ties. He said that during that period there were about 200 school leavers from English or French schools who could not continue their studies. From 1985 - 1986, eleven secondary schools were established, using existing buildings. Alot of criticism were made of the condition of the buildings and of teachers who were not qualified for secondary education. He declared that in future the number of secondary schools would be reduced to 2, 3, or 4 main secondary schools for the whole country. He said that an increase in the number of schools would encourage more students to apply to continue their studies in USP, UPNG and it would mean an increase in demand for scholarships for the Universities in Fiji, New Zealand, Australia and PNG, etc,. He also stated that in terras of population, the two most populated islands, Tanna and Malekula should have priority for the two (2) Secondary Schools. Other islands also have the right to request secondary schools but for the moment we have to be satisfied with these two (2) Secondary schools. The Hon. Prime Minister concluded by adding that certain church schools should re-open their secondary classes with assistance from overseas religious organisations.
65. The Hon. Basil TABI supported the principles of the bill but he expressed doubts about the intention of the government as regards the buildings of schools that were to be closed down.
66. The Hon. Simeon ENNIS also favoured the principles of the Bill and added that he was pleased to see that, even though the loan was large, primary schools would also benefit from it. He also stated that the two secondary school projects would be a great help in up-grading educational standards in the country.
67. The Hon. Daniel NATO agreed with the principles of the bill. He stated that rhe two secondary schools would serve the children of the whole country.
68. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE, Leader of the Opposition stated that he was pleased to hear the comments from both the government and the Opposition members. He said that the government knows that education is an esseutial dans d’autres regions du pays, Il precise que les politiques du Gouvernement ant pour buts de fournir un programme d'dtudea unifid, une Education plus Equitable et de rdhauseer les niveaux de l’dducation. Il conseille vivement aux ddputds - d’encourager les ni~vanuatu d blen gdrer leurs sources de revenus et de na pas imaginer ce que le pays pout fairs pour aux maia da fairs ce qu’ils peuvent pour promouvoir le ddueloppement de leur pays.
64. 1*1. le Premier Plinistre Walter H. LINI explique d’abord que de 1980 & 1985, l’enseignement primaire en particulier a du fairs face d de nombreuaes difficultda. A cette dpoque, environ 2000 dldues quittdrent lea dcolss anglophones et autant, lee dcolee francophones. En 1985, 1986, on2e dcoles sscondairee du premier cycle furent dtabliea dans dee dcolea ddj& sur place, maia on critique leurs enseignants qui n’dtaient pae qualifies pour le aecondaira. Il ajoute qu’un Jour, il faudra rdaliser l’enseignemsnt secondaire avac 2, 3 ou 4 hcolee ascondairea principales pour tout l’archipel, Il rappells qu’en augmented le nombre d'dcoles, davantage d’dtudiants voudront continuer leurs dtudea & l’USP, d l’Univeraitd de Nouvelle # Guinda, st auesi Is nombre de bourses d’dtudes pour Fidji, la Nouvelle Zdlande 1‘Australis, le Nouvelle Guinde. Aussi, les deux lias Isa plus peupldes doivent
avoir la priority pour Ibb dcoles aecondairea du premier cycle : Tanna at Flallicolo. D’autres Iles ont dgalemant le droit de damander des dcolsa secondaires, mais nous devone nous contenter de deux dcoles pour la moment, ajoute-t-ila II termine en prdcisant que certainea dcolea religieusea devraiBnt rdouvrir leurs dcolea secondaires avac 1‘aide de leur organisation religleuse de 1*Stranger,
65. 1*1. la Ddputd Basil TABI eoutient le proJet de loi et voudrait savoir ce que le Gouvsrnement va faire dee bailments des dcolss qui ont dtd fermdes.
66. 1*1. le Ddputd ENNIS Simeon eoutient le projet de loi et ajoute que m6me si 1‘emprunt est trds lourd, il eat eatisfait de voir que la moitid set deatinde aux dcoles primairee. Il approuve la projet de caa deux dcoles secondaires qui pourront alder 1’enaaignement pendant de longues anndes et ddmontreront 1’autonomic du pays.
67. M. le Ddputd Daniel NATO eoutient le projet de loi. Il ajoute que ces deux dcoles aecondairea vont sarvir les intdrSts du pays sn donnant aux enfante un bon niveau d’dducation.
68. M. le Chef de 11 Opposition, Vincent BOULEKONE apprdcie d‘entendre les commentaires des ddputds dea deux partis. Le Gouvernement eait que 1’enaeignement eet l’dldment essential de l’dconomie du pays. Le bilinguiame doit Stre un "facteur d’unification” pour Vanuatu, ajoute-t-il. Ces deux ^colea secondaires de Tafda et Klallicolo peuuant ♦ 6tre un prototype d’(Scale pour l’avenir, enseignant le frangais Bt l’anglais,
eetlme-t-il. Il espdre que ces dcolea seront termindes avant 7 ans, tempa prdvu element in the country’s economy. Bilingualism is a factor for unification in Vanuatu, he observed. These two secondary schools to be built on Tanna and Malekula could be prototypes for the future, he said. He expressed his hope that the schools would be completed within 7 years. He remarked that secondary schools would have the opportunity to continue their studies in universities in Canada, France, England, Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, PNG, New Caledonia etc., and then to participate in the development of the country. He stated that the Bill does not simply provide for a loan to build the two schools but also to help the government with its overall policy of improving the standard of teaching and education in Vanuatu, He indicated that the Bill would allow the Ministry of Education to improve its adminis trative organization by setting up the Planning Unit and he asked the members to cooperate in carrying out these improvement projects. He stated that English and French speaking students should have equal opportunities in tertiary education.
* 69. The sitting was suspended at 3.36 pm.
70. The sitting resumed at 4.05 pm.
WRITTEN MOTIONS
MOTIONNO^ 2
71. The Hon. Kalkoc MATASKELEKELE introduced the motion and said its purpose was to apply the nrovision in article 36 of the Constitution giving power to the Head of State to caintnu to, remove or reduce conviction or sentence of a convicted person and referred to sections 34 and 35 of the Standing Orders on written motions. He explained that as he was directly involved with a case like this, and since he was a member, he was obliged to move this motion. He * pointed out that since 1980, the President had been exercising thia power eventhough there was no appropriate committee and that, after a petition in March 1988 to the former President, he was advised that the latter could not exercise this power until the commitLee had been set He also made corrections to delete the word "to" after Republic and add "on the" and insert "of" after exercise in the title and text of the motion. He concluded by moving that Parliament adopt che motion.
72. The Hon. Hilda L1N1 considered that it was necessary to set up this committee in order to apply the provision of the Constitution.
73. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE commented that the motion called for the » application of the Constitution and that the President could not exercise his pour leur amynagement. Il fait remarquer que lea dtudiants eortant des 6coles secondsires ont la possibility de choiair de continuer leurs dtudes en frangais et en anglais dans lee univaraitys du Canada, de France, d’Angleterre, d*Australia da Nouvella Z61anda de Fiji, de Nouvelle Guinda, de Nouvelle Caledonia etc... pour ensuite participer au ddveloppement du pays, an tent que technicians.«., Il souligna que ce projet de loi ne consists pea uniqusment d approuver un prat destiny £ la construction de deux dcolea aecondaires, mais auesi pour insiater sur la politique du Gouvernement qui est une politique "d’amelioration, de renfor- cement, de dduelappement, de perfectionnement", au niveau des enseignants, des programmes eux-mdmea, pour amdliorer le niveau de 1*Education £ Vanuatu et l'amener au niveau international, Il indique auesi que le projet de loi prdvoit que le Service de l'Education ait une mellleure organisation administrative en dtabliseant une "section Planiflcation et niise en oeuvre" et il insists sur la necessity de coopdrer pour rdalieer ces ameliorations. Il precise qu'il faut abeolument offrir aux dlbves anglophones tout comme francophones des possibilitds pour des dtudes supdrieures.
69. La stance eat suspendue d 15H36.
70. La sdance reprand & 16HD5. r?9IJ9yS_ECRITES
MOTION NO, 2 DE 1989 71. M. le Ddputd Kalkot MATAS KELEKELE presents la motion et se rdf^re aux dispositions de l'article 36 de la Constitution qui donne au President de la Rdpublique l'exer- cice du droit da grSce, du droit de commuer et rdduire les peines infligdes d des personnes condamndes et aux articles du Rdglement Intdrieur sur les procedures de motion dcrits. Il fait savoir qu’il a’est trouvd en face d'une affairs qui conearnait ca domains, et qui l'a obligd d'avancer cette motion. Il souligne que depute 1980, le President de la Rdpubliqus exergait ces fonctions m&me 8*11 n'axistait aucune commission et qu'en mars 1988, aprds qu’une petition ait dtd
soumiae d l'ex-prdeident de la Rdpubliqua, ce dernier a refued d'exercer cbs fonctiona Juequ’d la Constitution d'une commission. Il demands une correction du taxtB anglais aur le titre en dlimlnant le mot "to" aprds le mot "Republic" et en insurant & la place 1'expression "on the" et le mot "of" aprds le mot "exercise". Il ajoute que la correction s'applique ausei au texts. Il termine en demandant que la motion soit edoptde.
72. Mme le Deputy Hilda LINI eatlme qu’il est ndcesealre d'dtablir cette commission pour fairs appliquar les dispositions de la Constitution.
73. M„ le Ddputd Vincent BOULEKONE fait remarquer que la motion avait pour but de powers without the support of the Committee. He supported the motion.
The Hon. Prime Minister, Fr. Walter H. LINI expressed some support for the motion but said that once it had been adopted, it would be difficult for the Committee to sit as there was as yet no law to govern it. He added that legal advice was necessary and that since 1980, the process was that Prison Observers made recommendations to the Prime Minister who recommended them to the President who then released, removed or reduced sentences.
The Hon. Minister Harold QUALAO expressed support for the Prime Minister’s argument and considered that the Committee would be useful for the Presidents’ decisions. However, he felt that such questions as the Committee's terms of reference should be considered.
The Hon. Minister Iolu ABB1L spoke in favour of the Prime Minister’s argument.
The Hon. Minister Sela M0L1SA expressed agreement with the motion and explained that the word "may" in article 36 of the Constitution implied the provision of a law through an act of Parliament. He commented that if the Committee was set up, there could be abuses in making recommendations thus necessitating a law to govern its functions and membership.
The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU expressed support for the motion as it would apply a provision of the Constitution and felt that it would not be fair for the President to work without the advice of such a committee.
The Hon. Kalkot MATASKELEKELE reterred to woman prisoner Michelle Dovan and asked why the previous President had not exercised his power as it had been exercised previously without a Committee. He also asked why the President had not correctly answered the petition of Dovau’s family lodged two years previously. He explained that if the Committee urgently needed a law, he and the seconder would look inlo producing a first draft.
The Hon. Fr. WalLer H. LLN1, Prime Minister spoke of his experience in making decisions based on recommendations made to him on prisoners by the Commissioner of Police. He explained that these decisions would be very difficult to make without the advice of the Committee and they may render ineffective sentences passed by the courts. He added that if Lhe Committee was sec up, it would relieve unnecessary pressure on the President. fairs appliquer las dispositions da la Constitution at qu’il eetime que le President da la Rdpubllque ne peut pas exercer ces functions sane le soutien d’une Commission.
74. (*1, le Premier Minietre Fathac Walter H. LINI accords eon appui au projet ^e motion male declare qu’une foie que la motion est adopt tie, il sera difficile & la Commis sion ds fonctionnsr, puisqu'il n’y a aucune loi aui couvre cette commission. Il ajoute qu’il sera peut 8tre ndcessaire de consulter un conssillsr juridique at que depuis 19f)0, la procedure suivie dtait que les Maitres des prisons faisaient des recommendations au President de la Rdpublique, par biais du Premier Ministre, de grScier, commuer et de rdduire les peinas.
75. PI. le Ninlatre Harold QUALAO appuie lee propos du Premier Plinietre et estime que la commission sera tr&a utile au President dene ea prise de decisions, Il penae • pourtant que des questions toiles que la delimitation dee pouvoirs de la commission devront fitre conBiddrdee.
* 76. 1*1. le Plinietre Iolu ABBIL appuie lea propos du Premier Plinietre*
77. PI. le Plinietre Sela P10LI5A exprime son accord avec la motion et explique qua la mot "peut" & l'article 36 de la Constitution implique la creation d’une loi uotde, au Parlemant pour instituer la commission. Il indique que si une commission est dtahlle, il peut y avoir dee abue dans les recommendations. Il faut order une loi pour gouverner lee fonctiona at la composition de la Commission.
78. PI. le Plinietre Sethy REGENVANU appuie la motion car elle applique une disposition ] de la Constitution. Il pense qu’il ne eerait pae juste que le President de la Rdpublique remplisse ces reeponeebilitda sane le conseil d’une commission.
79. PI. le Ddputd Kalkot P1ATAS KELEKELE ee rdfdre d l'affaire Plich&le DQVAN et demands pourquoi 1’ex-prdeident de la Rdpublique n’a pas exercd ces pouvoirs vu qu’ile ont dtd axercde autrefois sane une commission. Il demands ausei pourquoi est-ce que 1'ex-prdeldent de la Rdpubliqua n’a pae rdpondu correctement d la petition de la famille de Plichble DUUAN qui a did soumiae deux ane auparavant. Il fait savoir que Bi le commission ndceasite d’urgence une lol, lui en tent que motion- naire et le co-motionnaire peuvent coneiddrer la redaction d’une loi .
80. 1*1. le Premier flinietre Walter H. LINI indique que par see experiences, il a pris ’ des decisions sur les recommandations du Commissaire de Police. Il explique que cee decisions eont tr&a diffidles d prendre sane le conaeil d’une commission , et peuvent randre inaffectivee lee sentences donndee par le tribunal. Il ajoute
que si la commission aera dtablie, il y aura moine de preeeion sur le President 81. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE asked whether the composition of the Committee would be proportional in relation to political parties.
B2. The Hon. Speaker replied that since it was a Parliamentary Committee, it would be proportional.
83. The Hon. Kalkot MATASKELEKELE, seconded by the Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE, moved that Parliament suspend Standing Orders 23 so that discussions on the Motion may continue for a further 15 minutes. He explained that if they had to decide either to set up an adhoc committee or to draft a bill, he would opt for the former.
84. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA, Minister of Finance asked for the postponement of the motion until next week as Parliament needed time to consider it.
85. The motion to suspend the Standing Orders and continue discussion on the motion for a further 15 minutes, was defeated by 22 votes for, ] against and 13 abstentions (such a motion requires a two-Lhirds majority).
86. The sitting was adjourned at 5.15 pm. dans l'exercice de ses functions
B1. l*l. le Ddputd Vincent BOULEKONE demands si la composition de la Commission sere proportionnslle quant aux partis politiques.
82. M. le President rdpond que puieque la Commission est une commission parlemantaire, ea composition eat toujours proportionnelle.
63. M. le Odputd Kalkot MATAS KELEKELE, appuyh par le Ddputd Uincent BOULEKONE, propose que le Parlement suspends l'article 23 du Rbglement Intdrieur pour que celui-ci puisse continuer & aidger juequ'd la fin des discussions sur la motion. 11 explique que s'ila conaid&rent d'dtudier 1'dtablissemsnt d’una commission, oij la redaction d'un projet de loi, iJ choiaira la prami&re.
84. M. le Ministre Sela MOL ISA demands d'ejourner Isa discussions sur la motion & la semaine prochaine, pour que le Parlement puisse suoir le temps de l'dtudier*
85. Le motion de suspension de l'Article 23 du ROglement lntdrieur pour permettrs au Paclamant de continuer d sidger jusqu’6 la fin dBb discussions sur la motion est rejatde par 22 voix pour, 1 uoix centre et 13 abstentions (telle motion doit etre approuvbe par 2/3 du Parlement).
86. La sdanca ast lauds £i 17H15. PARLIAMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF VANUATU
THIRD PARLIAMENT
FIRST MEETING OF THE FIRST ORD1NARY_SESSION_OF 1989
FRIDAY 7TH APRIL 1989
SPEAKER : The Hon. Onneyn TAHI, Member for Ambae
38 PRESENT ;
ABSENT : The Hon. Donald KALPOKAS, Member for Efate
I . The sitting commenced at 8.45 am.
2, The Hon. Basil TAB1 said the prayer.
3. The Hon. Speaker read the agenda.
BILL FOR THE LOAN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE REPUBLIC OF VANUATU AND INTERNATIONAL
DEVELOPMENT_ASSOCUTION_UATlFtCATJON) ACT no. _ _OF J_989
FIRST READING
4. The Hon. Tele TAUN supported the Bill for the Loan to establish the two secondary schools on Tanna and Malekula and to improve the standard of education in Vanuatu and also it would contribute to the development of the country.
5. The Hon. Dani/Sl 1AM1AHAM supported the principles of the Bill.
6. The Hon. Wilson TARI SEVUTI stated that he would prefer the government to obtain foreign aid co finance the two secondary schools because a 40 year loan represents a heavy burden on the country, PARLEMENT DE LA REPUBLIQUE bE VANUATU
TROISIEME LEGISLATURE
1ERE ETAPE SESSIONNELLE DE LA 1ERE SESSION ORDINAIRE. DE 19B9
VENDREDI 7 AVRIL 19B9
PRESIDENT : M. Onneyn TAHI, Ddputa d’Ambad,
PRESENTS : 30 Ddputds
ABSENTS ; 1*1. Donald KALPOKAS, D6put6 de EfatS.
1. Le President ouvre la adance & (JH45.
2. M. le Ddputd Basil TAB1 dit la pri&re,
3. La President annance l’ordre du jour.
—PR03ET — — — PREMIERE LECTURE (Continuation) 4. !*). le D£put£ T616 TAUN soutient et approuua ca pro jet d'emprunt pour amSnager dea dcoles eecondairaa d Tanna at Mallicolo, et qui va am^liorer le niveau d'Education & Vanuatu et par la meme contribuer au ddveloppement du pays. 5. M. le Ddputd Daniel IAMIAHAM soutient le projet de loi. 6. M. le DdputS Uilson TARI SEVUTI indique qu’il aurait prdfdrd que le Gouvernemant regoive des subventions de l’extdrieur pour l’amdnagement de cea deux eentree eoolalrea car il realise qu'un emprunt engage eur 40 ane est vraiment une grande reaponaabilitd pour l’Etat. The Hon. Andrew WELWEL was surprised to see that the leader of the Opposition was in favour of the Bill. He observed that Education is very important in Vanuatu but felt that the standard of education would not be improved by building new schools unless there were qualified Leachers to teach there. He wondered why the government did nto recruit more teachers from overseas (eg. Fiji or Mauritius) to teach in Vanuatu. i. The Hon. James VUTI supported the Bill and agreed with Che project to build the two secondary schools. 3. The Hon. Jack. Kalo N1AL stated that the Bill shows that the government has concern for the educational system and has decided to improve it. He said Lhat the improvement in education is necessary because, out of 4000 students sitting senior primary exams, only 20Z would be selected to continue their studies in Junior Secondary Schools. At Lhe end of their studies, only I5Z would be selected to continue their studies in Senior Secondary schools and finally only 5Z would be sleeted for tertiary education in Universities. 10. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA mointed out in answer to Hon. Andrew WELWEL that the government had chosen to initiate a loan for Education since this was an important subject. He explained that atiy government loan was intended to encourage growth of ttie economy and would usually take time to show returns. He added that the government was trying to encourage the productive sector to grow and Lhat Lhe aim of any development loan or grant was to help people and to balance sectoral priorities. He stated that, with increasing export earnings, the government would be able to pay back the loan. 11. The Hon. Minister Sethy KEGENVANU explained that according to the Ministry's estimation, if the government decided to launch this project without foreign aid, it would need 700 m vatu to carry it out. He added that the Reserve Fund needed 250 m vatu for this year, which obliged the government to negotiate Lhis loan with World Bank. He stressed that having access to education was a government policy and that it was the government's respon sibility to provide formal education to as many Ni-Vanuatu as possible. He explained that a fundamental policy of the government was the promotion of the Unified Education Programmes Centre and that it was very difficult to find manpower through multilateral negotiations to develop a unified syllabus. He went on to say that since 1980, the government had awarded many scholarships to Francophone students and that there were no bias in favour of Anglophones or Francophones. He said that Lhe percentage of children having access to education was approximately 80 to 90Z. He 7. 1*1, le Ddputd Andrew WELUEL s'dtonne de voir le Chef de I1 Opposition appuyer le projet de loi. Il reconnait que l'enaeignement eat tr6s important & Vanuatu, mais estime que le niveau d’Education ne sera pas forc^ment rehauss^ par des bfitiments scolaires neufs s'ils n’ont pas assez de personnel qualifi^ pour y enseigner ; il demands pourquoi le Gouvernement n’a pas fait appel & davantagB d’enseignants de l‘ext6rieur. (par exemple de Fiji ou I1lie Maurice). 0. 1*1. le DbputtS James UUTI aoutient le projet de loi et approuve le pro jet de construction des deux dcoles secondairea. 9. ft, le Ddputd Jack Kalo NIAL fait remarquer que grSce & ce projet de loi, nous savons que le Gouvernement & pris conscience de l1insuffisance de notre systems d’enseignement et qu’il est d^cidd & l’ambliorar. 11 fait remarquer que c’dtait 1& une ndcessitd vu que sur les 4000 61dves qui doivent passer un examen pour Bntrer dans le secondaire, environ 20% seulement sont regus, Ensuite 15% par- uiennent au deuxidme cycle du secondaire et pour finir 5% aux hautes 6coles ou aux universitds. 10. fi. le flinistre des Finances rdpond & la question du Ddput^ Andrew WELWEL en expliquant que le Gouvernement avait choisi ce prSt pour 1’Education car cette dernibre est trbs importante. Il indique que tous les prets du Gouvernement ont pour but de promouvoir et encourager l’Sconomie st prennent beaucoup de temps pour donner de profits. Il ajoute que le Gouvernement essaie de promouvoir le secteur productif et que le but de tout ddveloppement, prfit et de tout© subvention, dtait d'aider lea ni-vanuatu et d’^quilibrsr les priorites au Bain des sectaurs. Il fait savoir que la romboursement du prSt pour 1*Education est dchelonnS sur 40 ana et il indique que le Gouvernement conaiderait de rembouraer le prSt avQc les revenus des exportations qui aont en hauase actuellement. 11. !*!□ le flinistre Sethy REGENVANU declare que aelon lea estimations du Minister© de 1’Education, ai le Gouvernement d6cidait de lancer ce projet Bane 1’assistance dtrang&re, il aura besoin de 700 millions da vatu pour la rSaliaer. Il ajoute qua las reserves pubiiques ont besoin de 250 millions de vatu pour cette annde, cb qui oblige la Gouvernement b ndgocier ce prfit avec la 0anque Mondial©. Il souligne que l'acchs & 1*Education est une politique du Gouvernement et qu’il est de la responaabilith du Gouvernement de fournir une Education formelie & un plus grand nombre de ni-vanuatu. Il precise qu’une politique fondamentals du Gouvernement est la promotion du Centra de Programmes commune d1Education et qu’il est tr&s difficile de trouuer de la main d’oeuvre par des ndgociations multilat^ralea, pour ^laborer dee programmes communs . Il continue en disant que depuis 1900, 1b Gouvernement a accord^ beaucoup de bourses d1 etudes aux*’ reminded Parliament: of Che project components and explained that it included foreign aid assistance in the form of staff salaries and expenses for seven years. He continued that the government did not intend to eliminate some secondary schools but on the oLlier hand to upgrade them up to year 9, and to transform some of them into technical institutes. He stressed that this loan was intended co provide education to as many children as possible, and to provide regional teacher training. 12. The sitting was suspended at 10.10 am. 13. The sitting resumed at 10.40 am. 14. The Hon. George BAET declared chat the answers from the Government Ministers had clarified a lot of confusion and had satisfied him and his people. 15. The Hon. Roger Jerry BOE explained chat if the sum to be allocated had been a grant he would not mind but since it was a loan, he was very concerned. He was concerned firstly because the repayments would be made by the people of all regions and secondly because the benefits would go to some islands that had benefitted from other loan projects. He was aware of a survey carried out by the World Bank which suggested that bilingual secondary schools should be built on Tanna, Malekula, Ambrym and Pentecost. He said a second survey by the World Bank had reduced the number to 3 schools excluding Ambrym and continued that this bill had reduced the number even further to 2 secondary schools. He expressed concern as to how the 2 schools concerned were going to cater for the approximately 560 students selected, and how the government would assist deprived students who had good end of year results but, because the 6 junior secondary schools were to be phased out, had no chance of continuing their education. He regreted to see Parliament not being in line with congress resolutions and L> the feelings of the supproters and said it seemed unfair to him and his people. He questioned whether planning had been carried out by the Ministry concerned on where to build these schools. 16. The Hon. Kalkot MATASKELEKELE said the bill reflected a radical road which the government wanted to folLow to provide service to the public. He was aware that the repayment of the loan was over 40 years because education was not a revenue earning ministry. He felt that the bill courageous and said that, of the free services offered by the government, education was Che most compLex. He pointed out that the aim of a double stream school was to 61bves francophones & 1*stranger et qu’il n’y avait pas de pr6fFrance pour les anglophones ou francophones. Il fait sevoir que le pourcentage des Slaves ayant seeds d l’tducation est environ 80 d 90%, Il cite les composants du projet, et ajoute que le prSt fournira 7 anndea de salairee et frais du personnel. Il indique que le Gouvernement ne ueut pae tliminer quelquee tcoles secondaires, mais au contraire de relaver leur niveau jusqu’d l’annde 9, et de modifier certaines pour devenir des institute techniques. Il insists en disant que ce pr0t est destind d fournir une Education d un plus grand nombre d’enfants, et d fournir une formation d’enseignants dans les regions. 12, La stance Bst suspendue d 10H10. 13, La stance reprend d 10H40. 14, M. le Dtputd George SALT declare que les explications des Ministres ont effact toutes las confusions at l'ont satisfait ainsi que ses dlecteurs, 15, PI. le Ddputt Roger Jerry BOE expliaue qu’il ne s'inquidtera pae si les fonds provenaient d’une subvention mais lorsqu’il s’agit d’un pret, il est trds inquiet. Il ajoute qu’il se soucie, premibrement parce que lea remboursements eeront faits par les populations da toutes les regions de Vanuatu, st deuxid- mement, que de nouveaux projets soient realists sur les memes lies qui en ont ddjd btntficid, Il declare qu’il est au courant de l’enqu0te de la Banque Nondiale et que cette dernibre a suggdrd que soient construites des hcoles secofidaires sur Tanna, P'lallicolo, Ambrym bt Pentecfite. Il indique qu’une dauxidme enqufite a abouti d la reduction d'dcoles secondaires pour n’en laisser que trois Bt que ce projet de loi rdduira encore le nombre pour n’en laisser que deux tcoles secondaires. Il affirms qu’il doute de 1b manibre dont ces deux dcolas secondaires feront pour accueillir environ 560 tltves qui ont ttt stlectionnd8 et comment le Gouvernement aidare-t-il les tltves non chanceux m&me s’ils ont realists de bona rdsultats mais qu’ils n’ont pas pu continuer lours dtudes & cause du noinbre restreint d’dcoles secondaires. Il s’estime regretter que le Parlement ne prenne pas en consideration les resolutions du Congr&s et les soucis des blecteurs et declare qus ceci lui semble injuste, singuliBr et in^gaJ. 16, M, le Dhputd Kalkot MATAS KELLKELE explique que le projet de loi reflate la direction radicals qua le Gouvernement entend suivre pour servir Is public. Il indique qu’il est conscient que les remboursements s’^chelonneront sur 40 ans car l'tducation n’ast pas une institution & but lucratif. Il Bstime que le projet da loi est courageux et que parmi les services gratuits qu’offre le Gouvernement, l'tducation est le plua complexe. Il souligne que l’avantage enable students to be bilingual. He declared chat the congress resolution was open and stated that the government had full control on development. He concluded that he would support the principles of the bill. 17. The Hon. Speaker asked the Hon. Members to stick to the principles of the bill and to say whether they support the bill or not. 18. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE, Leader of the Opposition stated that the govern ment was in desperate need of funds to carry out the projects explained in the bill. He pointed out that there were other projects yet to come to upgrade the country's education system and the government had to take out more loans or request grants to carry out these projects. He urged the government to use the loan appropriately on the ten projects stated in the bill and hoped that out of Che 50 teachers to be trained for junior secondary schools, 25 would be french-speaking and 25 english-speaking. He read out the list of projects to be financed by the loan and agreed that they were essential needs for fjie country’s education system. * 19. The Hon. Minister lolu ABBIL supported Che principles of the bill and pointed out that his region had been pushing hard for a secondary school. He said the decision to build the 2 proposed dual-lingual secondary schools on Tanna and Malekula was based on population. He pointed out that at every end of year too many students from Tafea had to travel by boat to their home islands. He finally declared that Tanna itself had 43 primary schools showing clearly chat a secondary school was needed. 20. The sitting was suspended at 11.35 am. 21. The sitting resumed at 14.05 pm. ► TABLING OF DOCUMENTS 22. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA tabled the VULCAN Report and Accounts for the years 1985 to 1988 inclusive, together with the Auditor General’s Report. ORAL QUESTIONS 23. The Hon. Hilda LINI asked if there was a possible way to convince the public in general that the judges and assesors in the Vanuatu courts were appointed in accordance with the Republic’s Constitution to carry out their duties. de deux classes de niveau est de pBrmettre aux dlbves de devenir bilingues. Il fait remarquer que la resolution du Congr&s est inddcise et qu’elle stipule que le Gouvernement a tout le contrfile sur le ddveloppement. Il termine en disant qu'il aoutiendra les principes du projet de loi. 17* Le President demands aux ddputds de discuter sur las principes de la loi et dire a’ila les soutiennont ou les ddsapprouvent. 18. M. le Chef de 11 Opposition, Vincent BOULEKONE declare que le Gouvernement a un grand besoin de fonds pour financBr les projets qui sont citds dans Is projet da loi. Il indique qu’il y aura encore d’autres projets b l’avenir destines h rehausser le syetbme d*Education de Vanuatu et que le Gouvernement sera obligd de nbgocier plus de prfits ou demander des subventions pour rdaliser ces projets. Il conseille vivement au Gouvernement de gdrer convenablement le prfit pour les projets approprida, mentionnda dans la Convention et qu’il eapbre que parmi les 50 enseignente qui seront formda pour enaeignar dans les dcoles secondairea de premier cycle, 25 seront anglophones et 25 francophones. Il cite les projete quiSBront finances par le pr&t et estime qu’ils reprdssntent des besoine essentials du systems d’Education nationals. 19. M. le Ministre lolu AB0IL soutient les principes de la lDi et indique que lee gens de sa region se sont bien bsttus pour avoir une dcole aecondaire. Il indique que la decision de construire les deux Scales aecondaires bilingues sur Tanna et Mallicolo est basde sur la population. Il souligne que toutes las fins d’anndss, Ub nombraux 31bvea prennent le bateau pour retourner chez eux. Il termine en disant que Tanna possbde & ells seule, 43 dcolea primaires ce qui montre clairement qu’une dcole aecondaire est ndcessaire. 20. La edance eat euspendue b 11H35. 21. La stance reprend b 14H05. documents. 22. M. le Ministre des Finances, Sela MOLISA presents un rapport sur les comptes de la Vulcan de la pdriode de 1985 b 1908 inclusive svbc le rapport du Contrfileur Gdndral des Comptes. QUESTIONS ORALES. 23 Mips .le‘D3put3 Hilda LINI demands a’il existe un moyen de fairs comprendre aux The Hon. Prime Minister Walter H. LINI replied that it was up to the court to decide on who should act as judges or assesors in various court cases. He said there was no legal requirement to inform the public. The Hon. George BAET questioned if the monitoring of parcels sent by air and <■ lost in the aircraft or airport could be improved. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI replied that the question concerned private airlines. He pointed out that it was important to keep receipts of goods sent in order to be able to trace any lost parcel. The Hon. Joseph JACOBE wondered if it would be possible for the Customs Office to send copies of the exchange rates by post to local businessmen. The Hon. Minister Sela M0L1SA reacted by saying that it was possible but pointed out that there are too many businessmen and therefore it would cost * the government a lot of money to have the exchange rates printed daily « He urged each businessman to check the rate in the office every day. The Hon. Robert KARIE asked if it would be possible for Local Government Councils , excluding those that had shares in Santo Stevedoring to acquire shares in Ifira Wharf and Stevedoring, The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI replied that the contract would soon expire and any Local Government Council wishing to buy shares in the company should approach the Central Government today with regard to how much they could offer for the shares. He said that this would mean the new shareholders would have to tender for the contract. He continued that it was the government decision to keep the contract open in order that they could obtain more tenders to choose from. The Hon. Robert SARKI wanted to know what was causing the low production of copra. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HOPA explained that the low production of copra was caused by the effects of cyclones. He said CD2 which was one of the main producing areas was affected by Cyclone Nigel in 1986, by Cyclone Uma in 1987 and by Cyclone Bola in 1988. He stated chat many copra producers who had no hot-air driers were not producing any copra because they feared that buyers would not buy their smoked copra, The fourth reason, he gens que les juges Bt assesseurs des tribunaux de Vanuatu ont nominee conformdment & la Constitution de la Rdpublique de Vanuatu. 24. 1*1. le Premier Miniatre Walter H, LINI explique qu'il eat & la discretion du tribunal de decider qui seront lea jugos et assesseurs dans les diff^rents procbs. Il indique qu’il n'y a pas de formality ldgales pour I1information du public. 25. M. le OSputd George BAET demands ai le controls des emballages exphdids par avion peut etre amdliord, car beaucoup ae perdent au cours du voyage. 26. 1*1. le Minietre Nipake NATAPEI explique que la question concerne les compagnies adriennes privies et indique qu’il est important de garder lea rsgus dee articles anvoyda afin de pouvoir recharcher ceux qui aont perdus. 27. i*l. le Ddputd Joseph JACOBE se demands s’il est possible au Service de la Douane d'envoyer les taux de change par la posts aux commerganta locaux. 28. M. le Miniatre Sela MOLISA rdpond qua ceci pourrait etre possible mais que, vu m le hombre dleud de commergants, cette mdthode reviendrait trba chbre au Gouver nement. Il conaeille vivament aux commerganta de venir vdrifier tous les jours au bureau. 29. 1*1. le Obputd Robert KARIE demands si les conaeils provinciaux, autrBS que ceux qui poas&dent des actions dans la socidth “Santo Stevedoring" peuvent achetar des actions dans la socidth “Ifira Warf Stevedoring". 30. M. la Ministre Nipake NATAPEI rhpond que 1b contract expirera bientOt et que tout conseil provincial qui uoudra acheter des actions dans la socidtd pourra conaultar le GouuBrnenient central sur le montant qu'il pourra offrir. Il ajoute que ceci signifie que les nouueaux actionnaires devront fairs une soumis8ion pour gagner le contrato II fait savoir que le Gouvernement a pris cette ddciaion pour ouvrir le contrat h tout le public et ainei choisir un soumisslonnaire parml on plus grand nombre. 31. M. le Ddputb Robert SARKI demands qu’elle eat la cause de la baisse de la production du coprah. 32. I*l. le Ministre de 11 Agriculture, Jack T. HOPA, explique que la baiaee de la production du coprah est provoqube par lea effeta des cyclones. Il indique que 1b District du Centre 2 qui est la principals region productive, a 6t6 touches explained, waa the fact that big plantations in the regions were old and needed replanting. He informed the Hon. Members that a committee had been 4 set up to carry out a survey on the quality and quantity of copra production. 33. The Hon. Roger Jerry BOE wondered if overmatured coconut seedlings in agriculture nurseries could be given out free of charge. 34. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HOPA responded that a written answer had been prepared for this question. 35. The Hon. Andrew WELWEL wanted to know why some local government councils were not issuing birth certificates when they were requested to do so. 36. The Hon. Minister Iolu ABBIL answered that the Government had decided to close the main office of the Civil Status because of lack of funds. He pointed out that 2 officers were still employed by the government and they 4. would be in charge of all registrations. He said these 2 officers would be transferred to the Statistics Office and that the closing down of the t main office would affect the work carried out by sub-registrars in the islands. 37. The Hon. Jack IAUKO asked when the road from Black Beach to Launabil school waa to be extended. He said the road had been measured three times by the PWD and Survey teams and yet no answer had been given. 38. The Hon. Minister Jimmy Chilia METO replied that for a project to be carried out, estimates and measurements should first be submitted to the National Development Commission for them to study, approve and find the »■ necessary funds overseas. r par le cyclone Nigel en 1986, et le cyclone Uma en 1987 st le cyclone Bole en 1988, Il sauligne qu’un grand nombre de planteurs qui ne possbdent pae de s^choir & air chaud ne produisent pas de coprah de peur que les acheteurs n’acceptent pas le coprah fum6, Il explique qua la quatri^me raison est que les plus grandes plantations du pays sent vieilles, qu’elles ont beeoin.d*Stre replantSes. Il inform© lee d^putds qu’une commission a 6th dtablie pour rhaliser une enquSte sur la quality et la quantity de la production du coprah* 33, l*l. le Ddputd Roger Jerry BOE demands si lea jeunes plantes de cocotiers qui ont ddpassd la pdriode de repiquagB psuuent Stre donnde gratuitement aux gens, 34, Pl. le Plinistre ds I1 Agriculture, Jack T, HOPA explique qu’une rdponse dcrite a dtd prdparde & ce syjet, 35, 1*1, le Odputd Andrew WELUIEL demands pourquoi certains conseils prouinciaux ne voulaient pas ddlivrer des certificate de naissance lorsqu'ils sent sollicitds d’en fairs. 36, 1*1. le Ministre de 1’Intdrieur, Iolu J. ABBIL rdpond que le Gouvernement a ddcidd de farmer le bureau principal de l’Etat Civil & cause des pdnuriBS de fonds, Mais que deux agents sent toujours employda par le Gouvernement et qu’ils seront chargds de fairs tous les enregistrements. Il explique que les deux agents seront affeetds & la Direction du Plan bL de la Statiatique et que la fermeture du bureau principal aura des consequences negatives sur le travail rdalisd par lea * conseruateurs dans les ties. 37, l*lo le Ddputd Jack IAUKO demand© quand la rout© qui part de Black Beach & l’Ecole de Launabil sera-t-elle agrandie. Il ajoute que cette route a dhjh fait l’objet de 3 enqu&tea, et qu’aucune decision n’a hth prise. 38. M. le Ministre Jimmy Chilia METO explique que pourqu’un projet soit rdalisd, il faut premi&rement soumettre une estimation et des mesures & la Commission de dhveloppement national pour htudiar le projet, l’approuver st chercher & rhcolter & l’htranger, les fonds ndeessaires S son financement The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI said it was normal to have projects sub mitted to the NDC and the delays were caused by the fact that the govern ment had to find overseas funding for the project. The Hon. Gideon KOTA wanted to know when the PWD would start upgrading the South Tanna road. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI replied that the PWD team was currently upgrading the road. The Hon. John WESLEY asked whether the road from Lekam to Amok would be completed or not. The Hon. Minister Nipake NATAPEI reacted by saying that he was not aware of the road and that he would get more information. The Hon. Daniel IAMIAHAM wondered whether the government was assisting the chiefs to play their roles. He gave an example of chiefs sending their people back to the island with the help of police. The Hon. Minister Iolu ABblL replied that there were increasing social problems in both Luganville and Port-Vila. Chiefs had approached the police to help them deal with these problems but, because of the lack of legal back-up, the police were in a weak position to react, the Minister explained. He Baid that after consultation with the Malvatumauri Office and the Attorney General, his Ministry would submit a bill to Parliament. Concerning finance, he declared that officers working in the Malvatumauri office in Vila were paid by the government but chiefs in the islands were not paid any salary. He felt chat if chiefs were to be paid, it would undermined their powers. 39. M. le Ministre Nipake E. NATAPEI explique qu'il ast normal que les projets soient soumis & la Commission de d^ueloppement national et que les retards sont dQs au ddlai qua le Gouvernement met & chercher & 1'Stranger des fonds destines au financsment des projBts. 40. 1*1. le O^putd Gideon KOTA demands quand les travaux publice vont-ils commencer les travaux d'amelioration de la route du Sud de Tanna. 41. M. le Ministre Nipake E. NATAPEI, rdpond que l'6quipe des travaux publics am61iore couramment la route. 42. M. le Depute John Uealey TAUI demands si la route qui va de Lekhan & Amok sera-t-alle completes. 43. M. le Ministre Nipake E. NATAPEI explique qu'il n'est pas au courant de ladite route mais qu'il s'y renseignera. 44. M. le Depute Daniel IAMIAHAM demands si le Gouvernement collabore avec les chefs et cite l'exemple des chefs qui ddcident de renvoyer des gens dans leurs ties p natales avec l'aide de la Police. 45. M. le Ministre Iolu J. ABOIL rdpond qu'il y a de plus en plus de problSmes & Luganville et 6 Port-Uila et que les chefs ont decide de les resoudre avec ♦ l'aide dB la Police, mais que, sans soutian legal, la Police so trouve dans une position faible pour agir. Il indique qu'apr&s qu'il aura consults le Bureau du Malvatumauri, et l'Attorney General, son miniature redigera un projet de loi sur ce sujet qui sera pr6sente au Parlement. En faisant mention aux remunerations das chefs, il declare que les chefs du bureau du Malvatumauri regoivent une remuneration mais que ceux des lies n'en regoiuent pas. Il declare estimer qua si les chefs regoivent une remuneration, leurs decisions auront moina de poids 46. The sitting was suspended at 14.50 pm. t 47. The sitting resumed at 3.20 pm. A STATEMENTS 48. The Hon. Gaetano BULEWAK made his statement (document appended) concerning maintenance and construction of roads on Pentecost. 49. The Hon. Koger Jerry BOE read his statement in Bislama (document appended) concerning his wishes about primary and secondary education in Vanuatu. 50. The Hon. Robert KARIE made his statement (document appended) and expressed his concern about the closure of the Nambagasale Junior Secondary School. « GENERAL DEBATE 51. The Hon. Hilda LINI, seconded by the Hon. Joseph JACOBE introduced the topic for the general debate (document appended) and moved that it be discussed. 52. The Hon. Kalkot MATASKELEKELE asked if the mover and the seconder could explain in detail the meaning of the expression "economic recovery" before proceeding with the debate. 53. The Hon. Minister Sela MOL1SA asked whether the debate would last one hour as the debate time was one hour. * 54. The Hon. Speaker explained that according to Standing Orders, if Statement time was not used, it could be used for general debate. * Si. The Prime Minister, Fr. Walter LINI, opposed the topic for discussion as he didn't think anyone was properly prepared for it. Th* motion to debate the topic (document attached) was carried with 10 we** in favour, 8 against and 17 abstentions. 46 La stance eat suspendue & 14H50 47* La stance reprend b 15H20, DECLARATIONS ECRITES 48* (*l. le DSputd Gaetano BULEUJAK fait sa declaration (voir document joint) concernant lEntretien et la construction des routes £ PentecSte. 49. M. le Depute Roger Jerry BOE lit sa declaration (voir document joint) concernant son souci pour lea enseigneuiants primaire et secondaire 6 Vanuatu. 50. i*l, le D6put(5 Robert KARIE lit sa declaration en bichelamar (voir document joint) et expriuia san souci pour la farmature de lEcole secondaire du premier cycle de Nabagansale. DESAT__GENERAL 51. Mme le Ddputd Hilda LINI, appuyd par le D6put£ Joseph JACOBE presents la sujet ddbatLre (voir document joint) et demande & ce qu’il soit dSbattu. 62. 1*1. le DSputd Kalkot MATAS KELEKELE demande si le motionnaire et la co-motionnaire peuvent expliquer en ddtail la sens de 1 Expression "economic recovery” avant de discuter sur le sujet. 53. 1*1. le Miniatre das Finances demands si le ddbat gdn^ral durera une heure puisque le Lamps qui lui eat consacr^ ast une heure. 54. 1*1. le President du Parlement sxplique quEn vertu du Rdglement Int^rieur, si le tamps destind aux declarations ne aEst pas £coul£, il peut 8tre utiliad pour le ddbat general. 55. 1*1. Is Premier Ministre exprime son disaccord au sujat du ddbat g6ndral puiequ’il estima quEucun dEux nEst prdpar^ pour en discuter. 56. La motion portant adoption du sujat 6 d^battra (voir document joint) set adoptee par 10 voix pour, 8 voix contra et 17 abstentions. 57. The Hon. Hilda LINI, asked for a correction Co be made in deleting in the third line after the word ,,we""oli mekem economy blong yumi i foldaon" and replacing it with "contribute long ekonomik situation". She added that ic was essential to create a committee to study the economic situation and report to Parliament. The Hon. Joseph JACOBE explained that any country should have as priority its economy, so that the repayment of loans such as that in the bill currently being studied, may be achieved without any difficulty. He concluded that investors should be encouraged and given more opportunities. The Hon. Leader of the Opposition, Vincent BOULEKONE stated Chat we have to recognise that the country lacks funds. Every Ni-Vanuatu should participate and contribute in solving the economic crisis, he demanded. He added that there were social as well as educational problems and Ni-Vanuatu were not encouraged to farm their land to a greater extent. 60. The Hon. Prime Minister, Fr. Walter H, LINI stressed chat people should think about what they are capable doing to improve the economic situation. He stated that since Independence rich and poor people continued to be rich and poor. He said the economic crisis was caused by the lack of finance but also by the inappropriate banking system. The budget and the banking system should be caretully studied . This would give Ni-Vanuatu the opportunity to obtain the necessary funds to develop their land. He believed that Vanuatu was very rich and fortunate in terms of its natural resources. He felt chat the current lack of funds would soon improve but stated clearly that rich people would continue co be foreigners since the laws enacted since independence provided protection for institutions managed by foreigners. 61. The Hon, Tele TAUN wanted to know whether the economy had improved or deteriorated. 62. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HOPA felt that everyone should participate in the economy of the country. He pointed out chat the topic was very important and added that problems such as natural disasters could also cause economic crisis. He said people should listen to radio programmes such as industry and agriculture programmes to get some idea of how to develop their lands. 63. The Hon. Hilda LINI felt that some of the members comments were off the point. She pointed out that figures had to be given before anyone could 57. Mme le Ddputy Hilda LINI demande une correction au texts & la troisibme ligno en e yiiminant apr6s le mot "we" l’expression "oli mekem economy blong yumi i foldaon1’, at en insurant “i contribute long economic situation11 * Elie ajouta qu’il eat * ndceasaire de order un comity pour dtudier la situation dconomique et an fairs un rapport qui sera prdsentd au Parlement. 58. M. le Ddputd Joseph JAC08E explique que toua les pays doiuent mettre en priority leure Economies, ainsi le rembouraement du prSts tsl que celui du projet de loi ytudiy an cs moment pourra §tre fait sens difficulty. Il termine en disant qu’il faut dormer plus de chancea aux invaatlseeure. 59. M. le Chef de 1‘Opposition, Vincent BOULEKONE indique qu’il nous faut voir la rdalitd : notrs pays manque de fonda, Il se demande al tous lea Ni-Vanuatu parti cipant, contribuent d relever le situation doonomique actuelle, Il ajoute qu’il ■ exists un problems social autant qu’dducatif ; lss Ni-Vanuatu ne sont pas encourages d exploiter leurs terrea au maximum. 60. M. le Premier Ministre, Walter H. LINI souligne que la population deurait se demander comment ells pourrait contribuar d amdliorer la situation dconomique. Il indique que dapuis l1Inddpendance, las gens riches et les gens pauvras continuant d’Stre riches et pauvres. Il ajoute que la crise dconomlque set dOe au manque de finances mais aussi au systems bancaire inapproprid. Il faudrait dtudier soigneusament le budget avec le systems bancaire actual. Ceci donnerait la possibility aux Ni-Vanuatu da se procurer des fends pour ddveloppur lours terras. Il pense que Vanuatu eat un pays chanceux at riche en rasaources naturelies. Il est persuadd que le budget ua s’amyiiorer mais souligne que les gens riches seront toujours des strangers * puisque las lois adoptdes depuis 1'Independence protdgent les institutions gdrdes par des strangers. * 61. M. le Ddputd Tdld TAUN uoudrait aauoir si l’iconomie est meilleure ou plus mauvaisa. 62. M. le Ministry Jack T. HOPA estime que tout le monde doit participer & l’dconomie de Vanuatu. Cette motion est done trds important^. Il ajoute que l’dconomie eat lide aux diffdrenta problfemes tBls qua dpiddmies, ddsaetres naturals., etc... Il indique que les agriculteurs deuraient dcouter la radio pour se fair© conseiller pour miaux ddvelopper laura tarree, 63. Mme le Deputy Hilda LINI pense que certains commentaires s’yioignent du sujet. Ella indique qu4il faudrait des preuves concernant la baisse de l’dconomle de Vanuatu. Finalement, aJouta-talle, aucun chiffre exact ne peut etre auaned en ce qui concerns la nombre de parsonnes sans terres etc... say that Che country was facing economic crisis, eg. the number of people with no land, no job or suffering from malnutrition. She felt a committee must be established to provide up-to-date information relating to the country’s economy. A 64. The Hon. Minister lolu ABB1L said he was unsure of the purpose of the motion. He observed Chat many Ni-Vanuatu were not developing their land but were waiting for foreign companies to come in and do the work. He pointed out that it would be better to develop their land by growing cocoa, coffee or rearing cattle etc., and exporting them to bring more money into the country. 65. The Hon. Speaker due to shortage of time asked members to limit the time taken for their comments to 2 minutes. 66. The Hon. Kalkot MA'l'ASKELEKELE stated that after further explanation by the mover, he had a clearer idea of the motion. He explained that inflation is a conanon problem in countries like Vanuatu due to normal commercial reasons, eg. Freight + Customs duty + Business profit are added to a product’s original price which then results in a high cost for that particular product. He added that information could be obtained in publications from the Development Bank, Statistics Office, Central Bank and the Chamber of Commerce etc.. He stated that it was their duty to provide such information. He was unsure whether the government really intended to establish a Committee to provide information on the country’s economy. 67. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU stated that generally everyone in Vanuatu was satisfied with his lot and added that there were no cases of r homeless. He felt that too much information on the country's economy would have a negative effect on people's attitude. e 68. The Hou. Minister Harold QUALAO staLed that economy was a very topical subject. He added that all the citizens of Vanuatu, living either in towns or in villages should ask themselves whether they are using their time profitably and contributing to the economy. 69. The Hon. Hilda LIN1 stated that the comments made by members were very interesting and felt that Vanuatu's economy could easily be improved if everyone contributed. * 70. The Hon. Leader of the Opposition, Vincent BOULEKONE seconded by the Hon. Kalkot MATASKELEKELE moved a motion to suspend Section 23 of Standing * Orders to enable the Hon. Hilda LINI to present her motion. r Ella precise qu'il faudrait dtublir une Commission charges de donner des informations ♦ precises sur l'dconomie de Vanuatu. 64. H. le flinistre lolu 3. ABBIL declare qu'il ne pergoit pas le but da le motion. Il estime que beaucoup de Li-Vanuatu ne veulent pas ddvelopper leurs terras et se contentent, soit de conserver ce que les parents et grand-parents leur ont laies^, aoit d'attendre l'arrivde de Compagnies ou d'investisseurs ds l'Stranger pour fairs le travail. Il ajoute qu'ils pourraient tout d^veloppar davantage (cacao, caf6... b^tail) pour assurer plus d'exportations done davantage d'argant dans le pays. 65. fl. le President demands aux ddputds de limiter Ibuts commentaires & 2 minutes. 66. fl. le D^putS Kalkot flATAS KELEKELE declare qu’il comprend mieux le sujet aprSs les commentairea du motionnaire. Il indique que 1*inflation est un problems pour toue’les pays comma le notre, (Les produits viennent d'Australie ou d'silleurs : frSt + taxa de douanes + bdndfice du commergant = prix dlevd). Il precise que des informations sont publi6ee par la Banque de DSveloppement par le Bureau des StatiBtiquea, (des bulletins), par la Banque Centrals, la Chambre de Commerce, etc... et e'eat leur travail de publier des informations sur l'dcoriomis. Il veut savoir si le Gouvernement e vraiment l'intention de cr^er une commission destinde & donnar des informations sur l'gconomie du pays. 67. fl. le flinistre Sethy REGENVANU fait remarquer que la population est dans 1'ensemble aatisfaite de son sort & Vanuatu at qu'il n'exiata pas de sans abri ; aussi, si trop d'informations circulaient concernant 1'dconomie, elles auraient sans doute das rdpsrouasions sur sa fagon da voir la vie. 68. fl. le flinistre Harold QUALAO pense que l’dconomie est une r^alitd dont parla les gens & l'heure actuelle ; Il precise que cheque habitant des villas ou dee villages devrait se sentir concern^ et s'interroger sur son propra emploi du temps et sa contribution & l'ficonomie du peye. 69. flme le D£put£ Hilda LINI declare avdir trouvd les commentaires tr6s intdreseants et ajoute qua l'dconomie pourrait fitre facilement amdliorde dans les villages si chacun y contribuait. 70. fl. le Chef de 1'Opposition, Vincent BOULEKONE, appuyd du Ddputd Kalkot flATAS KELEKELE propose da suspendre l'article 23 du R&glamant Intdrieur, pour permettre au D6put6 Hilda LINI de presenter sa motion. 71. The motion to suspend Section 23 of Standing Orders was rejected with 9 votes for, 20 against and 8 abstentions. 72. The sitting adjourned at 5.16 pm. 71* La motion viaant & auapendrs 1’article 23 du Rdglament Intdrieur, pour permettre au Odputd Hilda LINI de finir da presenter aa motion eat rejetde par 9 voix pour 20 voix contra et 0 abstentions. 72. La sdance eat levde d 17H16. PARLIAMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF VANUATU THIRD PARLIAMENT FIRST MEETING OF THE FIRST ORDINARY SESSION OF 1989 Monday IO_April_1989 PRESIDENT: The Hon. Onneyn TAHI, Member for Ambae 39 PRESENT: ABSENT: 1 The Hon. Speaker opened the sitting at 8.40 am. 2. The Hon. George BAET said the prayer. 3. The Hon. Speaker read out the agenda and announced that from time to time there would be one minute-taker only due to the work-load and shortage of staff the Language Services Department was facing. He asked the Hon. Members to speak clearly and slowly straight into the microphones. * STATEMENT BY MINISTERS 4. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU made a statement concerning the possible phasing out of some junior secondary schools. (Text appended) BILL FOR THE LOAN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE REPUBLIC OF VANUATU AND THE INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION (RATIFICATION) ACT NO. ___ OF_1989 FIRST READING (Continued..) 5. The Hon. Joseph JACOBE wished to see more cooperation between the government and mission schools. PARLEMENT DE LA REPUBLIQUE OE VANUATU TROISIEME LEGISLTAURE 1ERE ETAPE OE LA 1ERE SESSION ORDINAIRE DE 1989 LUNDI__1D_AVRIL_1989 PRESIDENT : M. Onneyn TAHI, Dhputh d'Ambad, PRESENTS ; 39 pSputgs 1. Lb President ouvre la stance & DBH40. 2. I*l. la Dbputb George BAET dit la pribre. 3. Le President annonee l'ordra du jour, et indique que le Service Linguistique manquant de personnel et btant surcharge de travail, aeaurerB la prise de note dea proche-varbaux phriodlquement avec un aeul traducteur, b la foie. Il demands aux dbpuths de parler intelllgiblement et lentement devant leur micro. DECLARATIONSDES MINISTRES. 4. M. le Ministre Ssthy REGENVANU fait une declaration concernant la suppression graduelle de certaines bcolea eecondaires du premier cycle, (copie joints) ._9Ll^j}ELATiF_A_LA_coNVENTioN_DE_pREi_ENTRE_LA_2EPyBLiQUEj)EjMNLmTU ET L*ASSOCIATION INTERNATIONALE DE DEUELOPPEMENT (RATIFICATION) PREMIERE LECTURE (Continuation) 5. fl. le Dbputb Joseph JACOBE aouhaitarait voir dauantage de coopbration entre is Gouvernement et lea bcoles de mission t 5. The Hon. Minister Harold QUALAO expressed his support for the principles of the bill and pointed out that it was important ot have school text books printed locally. 7. The Hon. Minister Jimmy Chilia MEW supported Lhe principles of the bill and congratulated the government for recognizing the importance of promoting bilingualism in the nation. 8. The Hon. Andrew WELWEL said he would support the bill after having heard the Minister of Education's statement, because it would allow the government to carry out its development projects, to promote bilingualism and also to train more secondary school teachers. 9. The Hon. Robert KARIE thanked the Hon. Minister of Education for his statement which had clarified a lot of confusion. He said he would support the bill. 10. The Hon. Minister Jack. T. HOPA supported the principle of the bill and said it would help prepare the qualified teachers required to upgrade the country's education system. He understood that children throughout the nation should have adequate education. He said the government was considering assisting people who were prepared to develop the land by building a school to provide higher education. He preferred to see more vocational and technical schools built to give more students better job opportunities. His hope was to see the curriculum Development Unit prepare students at primary and secondary schools for tertiary education. 11. The Hon. Minister Sela M0L1SA said the government was aware of the difficulty of repaying the loan. He explained that both developped and third world countries were suffering from heavy debts. He was pleased to see that the opposition party was supporting the bill but stressed that the point raised by the Opposition Leader that the government was financially bankrupt was incorrect. He explained that the government had the funds but which sector should get the funds and how much according to priorities was causing the delays and difficulties. 12. The Hon. John Tawi WESLEY supported the principles of the bill. 13. The Hon. Jimmy N0AN1KAM supported the principles of the bill. He urged the Opposition party to cooperate with the government to ensure that the projects in the bill were carried out effectively. ■< 14. The Hon. Aileh RANTES made three points. Firstly, education was the key factor I 6. 1*1. le Plinistre Harold QUALAO eppuie le principe de la loi et fait ramarquer qu'il est tr6s important de fairs imprimer localamsnt les manuels scolaires. 7. i*l. Le Niniatre Jimmy Chilia FIETO appuia le projet de loi et fdlicite le Gouvernement de reconnoitre 1’importance de promouvoir le bilinguisme dans le pays, 8. 1*1. le Ddputd Andrew bJELWEL declare qu'il soutient le proJet de loi aprbs la declaration du Ministre de 1'Education. Il ajoute que cs projet de loi va permettre au Gouvernement de rdaliaer sea projets de ddveloppement, de promouvoir le bilin- guisme et de former davantaga d'eneeignants pour les dcoles secondaries. 9. 1*1. le Ddputa Robert D. KARIE remercie le Miniatre de l'Education pour aa declaration qui a diseip^ bien dee confusions. Il ajoute qu'il soutient le projet de loi. *■ 10. I*l. le flinietre Jack T. HOPA appuie le principe de la loi et fait ramarquer que le projet de loi va prbparer les enseignants qualifies indispensablee pour amSliorer * le ayet&me d'enseignement du pays. Il realise que lee enfants de tout l'archipel pourront alora bdn£ficier d'un enseignement appruprid. Il ajoute que le Gouvernement envisage d'aider les peraonnes d^aireuaes de ddvelopper les terres en conBtruisant une dcole qui leur assurers un enseignement d'un bon niveau. Il pr^fbre voir construire davantaga d'^coles techniques et profesaionnellee susceptiblee de donner aux dl&vee de meilleuree posaibilitde de travail. Il ajoute qu'il eepbre que le centre de recherchea et de documentation pddagogique va preparer dea 61&ves des dcolaa primaires et eacondaires pour 1'enseignement univereitaire. 11. M. le Minietre Sela MOLISA indique que le Gouvernement est conaciant des difficulty I de remboureement de l'emprunt, Il precise que las pays d^veloppde tout comma les pays du Tiers Monde asauient de lourdea deltas. 11 a le plaiair de conateter que » l'Oppoaitlon soutient la projet de loi mais fait ramarquer que l'argument sdu1sv£ par la Chef de 1'Oppoaition disant que le Gouvernement 3tait financiferement d^pourvi dtait inexact. Il expliqua que 1b Gouvernement a lea fonda mais que les d£laia proviennent des difficulties & lea r^partir selon lee priority. 12. fl. le O^putd John Tawi UESLEY appuie le principe de la loi. 13. fl. le D^putd Noanikam JIMMY appuie le principe de la loi* Il exhorts 1'Opposition & coopSrer aveo le Gouvernement pour aesurer que les projets du projet de loi soient bien rdaliede. 14. Pl. le Ddputd Aileh RANTES indique 3 points. Premi&rement* 1'Education est la r clef du ddveloppement. L'Education permettra au peuple Ni-Vanuatu da comprendre in development. He said that Education would allow Ni-Vanuatu people to understand many aspects of society, both within nation and abroad. Secondly within the Public Service, some departments did not generate revenue and Education was one of them, but although money spent on Education appeared lost, it represents in fact, a long-term investment. In concluding, he said that the members should be careful in the way they managed their independence and thus their economy, especially agriculture, with a view to financing education. He said if they were not careful they would be governed by the IMF or the World Bank. He added that if they lost their economic independence, they would also lose their political independence. 15. The Hon. Roger Jerry BOE asked the Minister responsible if it was possible to outline the various elements of the loan. 16. The Hon. Prime Minister expressed satisfaction with the comments made by members on behalf of those they represented. He said that up to now debates on secondary education had never been conducted at both government and church levels. In fact, he said it was the first time in this country that the government had taken decisions on the fundamentals of education. He felt that all the remarks were useful but added that they were preoccupied with one aspect; the physical aspect. He said it appeared that the question was to find out how to obtain the necessary funds for the rest of the financing of constructions. He was pleased to see that the bill was not only concerned with the physical aspect of education buL also with syllabuses and the training of teachers. He stated that it was the first time that the government had decided to train both Primary and Secondary School teachers. He explained that currently, the 11 junior secondary schools did not have enough teachers and the government had to appeal overseas to fill these posts. He said that supporting this bill sh*owed a willingness to carry out the project on a long-term basis : a sufficient number of teachers for the future. 17. The Hon. Gaetano BULEWAK stated that he supported the bill and asked the government to specify the role played by the IMF and World Bank in this loan. 18. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU in reply to questions asked earlier by members, gave some statistics on Education. He stated that in 1988 the number of students registered in the primary schools was 24.521 * Year 1 ; 4.234 Year 3 ; 4.172 Year 5 : 3.606 Year 2 : 4.434 Year 4 ; 3.731 Year 6 : 4.344 The number of students registered in junior secondary schools was 3.531: beaucoup d1aspects de la sociEtE tant nationale qu*Etrangbre. Deuxibmement, E 1’intErieur de notrs Fonction Publique certains services ne sont pas gEnEratsurs de revenue et 1’Education en fait partie, mais bien que l’argant dEpensE pour l1Education sembla perdu, il represents en fait un investisaement b long terms. Pour terminer, il declare que nous devona fairs bien attention b la manibrs dont nous gErons notre independence et par consequent, notre Economis, surtout au niveau de l’agriculture, en vue d’assurer le financement de l’Education. Si nous ne faisons pae attention nous nous laisserons gouverner par le FPU ou la Banque Mondiala, Si nous pardons notre independence Economique, nous pardrons aussi notre independence politique. 15. M, le OEputE Roger Jerry BOE demands au Ministre responsable s’il lui est possible d’indiquer les oiffErents ElEments du prfit, 16, M, le Premier Ministre se dit satisfait des commentaires apportEs par les dEputEs, sur le sujet de 1‘Education, au nom des gens qu’ils reprEsentent. Il indiquo que jusqu’b nos jours, 1’occasion de debate sur l1Education secondaire ne s’Etait jamais prbsentEe tant au niveau du Gouvernement qu’au niveau des Eglises. En effet, c’est la premiere fois que dans ce pays le Gouvernement decide des fondements de l’Education, Il pense qus toutea les ramarquas sont opportunes mais il ajoute qu’elles ne portent que. sur un aspect du sujet qui est l’aspect physique. Il aemble que la question est de savoir comment se procurer les fonds ndcesseires au reate du financement des constructions. Il ajoute qu’il est trba heurBUx de voir que ce projet de loi ne ports pas seulement sur 1’aspect physique de l’Education mais traits aussi des programmes et de la formation des enseignants, Il indique que c’est pour la premibre fois que le Gouvernement dEcide de former des enseignants tant pour le primaire que pour le secondaire. Actuellement, les 11 Ecolea aecondaires du premier cycle n’ont pas suffisamment des profesaeura st nous davons fairs appel & l’Etranger pour combler ces poates, Le fait de soutenir ce projet de loi indique la volontE de rEaliser un projet b long terms : un nombre euffisant de profesaeura pour l’avenir. 17. M. le DEputE GaEtano BULEWAK declare qu’il appuie le projet de loi, Il demands au Gouvernement de lui prEciaer le role que jouent le FMI et la Banque Mondiale dans ce pret, 16, M, le Ministre Sethy REGENVANU, pour rEpondrB b dsB questions posEes plus tflt par des dEputEs, indique quelques statistiques sur l’Education. Il prEciae qu’en 1988 le nombre d’Eleves inscrite dans lee Ecoles primaires s’Elevait b 24.521 dont 16re annEe : 4 234 3bme annEe : 4 172 5bme annEe : 3 606 2hme annEe : 4 434 4bme annEe : 3 731 66me annEe : 4 344, Year 7 810 Year 9 949 Year 8 934 Year 10 828 The number of students registered in the senior secondary schools was 183: Year 11 : 82 Year 12 : 75 Year 13 : 26 He added Chat at present Vanuatu's primary schools offered enough places and could accept all chidlren aged 6 to 11 years. In reply to a question concerning form 1 entrance examinations and the selec tion of students for Efate, he said 344 students from French Medium Schools and 501 students from English Medium Schools sat the exmaination; 65 French medium students and 161 English medium students were selected for Form 1. In reply to a question asked by the member for Efate Rural, the numbers of students registered by region in primary schools were: Banks / Torres : 1 .050 Ambrym : 1.400 Santo / Malo : 3.530 Paama : 475 Ambae / Maewo : 2.030 Epi : 705 Pentecost : 2.260 Shepherds : 1.1'60 Malekula : 3.950 Efate(in- : 4.250 elude Vila) Tafea : 4.235 T 0 T A L : 24.945 In reply to the Hon. Roger Jerry BOE's question on the details of the project, the Minister indicated that it consisted of 3 parts: I. - Capital Aid Fund which comprised construction, furnishing and equipping the two junior secondary schools (660 million vatu); the construction of 3 offices for regional school advisors (23 million vatu); furniture, equipment and vehicles for 5 regional school advisors (19 million vatu); a planning and operational section in the Ministry of Education (2 million vatu). A curriculum development unit as well as teaching materials (32 million vatu). This made a total of 739 million vatu. 2. - Technical assistance which covered education, planning and administration (72 million vatu); the construction of senior secondary schools (26 million vatu); this represented 98 million vatu. 3- - The marginal general costs which covered the Curriculum development unit including the production of materials, salaries of staff and their travelling as welL as distribution costs (25 million vatu); training of La nombre d’^l&ves inscrits dans les Scoles secondaires du premier cycle dtait da 3 531 dont : 7fema ennSa : 810 9dme annde : 949 86me annhe : 934 106me annSe : 828. Lb nombre d’dlhues inscrits dans les hcolea secondaires du deuxidme cycle 6tait de 183 dont : 11&me annde : 82 126me ann6e : 75 13^mB ann^e : 25. Actuellement & Vanuatu l’^cole primaire offre sufisamment de places et peut accepter tous les enfants Sgde de 6 & 11 ans, En r^ponse & une question concernant l’examen d’entrde en sixidme, et la selection des dl&ves pour Efat6 pos^e par un ddput£ : 344 dl&ves de langue frangaise et 501 de langue anglaise so sont prSsent^s & l’examen ; 65 dlhves de langue fran^aise et 161 de langue anglaiae ont 6t6 admie en sixi&me. Le nombre d*61bve© inscrits par region dans les 6coles primaires (rdponee & la question du D^putd d’Efatd Rural) : Banks / Torres : 1 050 Ambrym : 1 400 Sento / Malo ; 3 530 Paama : 475 Ambae / Madwo : 2 030 Epi : 705 Pentecote : 2 260 Shepherds : 1 060 Malekula : 3 950 Efate (Vila inclue) 4 250 Tafda ; 4 235 TOTAL : 24.945. En rdponse & la question du D6put£ Roger Oerry BOE sur les details du projet, le Miniatre indique que ce dernier sa compose de 3 parties : 1D)- Le bonds de Subsides qui comprend la construction, 1’ameublement et l'dquipement dB deux dcoles secondaires du premier cycle (660 millions de vatu) ; la Construction de 3 bureaux destines aux Conseillers r&gionaux pour l’Education * (23 millions de vatu) ; le mobilier, l’dquipement des vdhicules pour 4 conseillers r^gionaux pour l’Education (19 millions de vatu) ; une section planification et mise en oeuvre au ministers de l’Education (2 millions de vatu) ; un Centre de recherche et de documentation phdagogiques ainsi qua du materiel p^dagogique (32 millions de vatu) ; la formation d'enseignanta (13 millions de vatu). Ce qui represents un total de 739 millions de vatu,. 2°)- L’assistance technique qui couvre l’Education, la planification et la geation (72 millions de vatu) ; la construction d’dcoles secondaires du 2bme cycle (26 millions de vatu) ; ce qui represents un total de 98 millions de vatu. 3°)- Les coOts gdn^raux marginaux qui couvrant le centre de recherche et de documentation phdagogiques y compris la production de materiel, les salaires du • personnel et leurs dPpJacements ainsi que la diffusion (25 millions de vatu) ; la formation des ensaignants (5 millions de vatu) ; les displacements (1 million de vetu) : et la p]unifl rati on (14 million de vatu) ; ce qui repr^Bente un total da 45 millions da vatu teachers (5 million vatu); travelling (I million vatu) and planning (14 million vatu); which represents a total of 45 million vatu. The grand total of the loan was 882 million vatu. The Minister informed that the ADAB was to provide a grant which was broken down as follows: Capital development cost aid 437 mi Ilion vatu Technical assistance 371 million vatu This represented a total of 808 mi Ilion vatu 19. The sitting was suspended from 10,00 to 10,25 am. 20. The Hon. David TANARANGO stated that he supported the bill. 21. The Hon. Hilda LIN1 stated that she supported the bill and then asked two questions. Firstly, would CGE and Baccalaureat examinations be set locally in future? Secondly, would churches be responsible for the administration of finances as well as of staff? She said that the churches seemed to be left out of things and, consequently, to be turning to other matters. 22. The Hon. Speaker stated that the Minister responsible would reply only to the first question since Lhe second one was off the point. 23. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU replied that the project to develop examination syllabuses was going ahead and it covered many compulsory and optional subjects. He said the year 10 exmination had been set locally for 1989. ForCGE and Baccalaureat, a lot more debate and research was required as it was a delicate subject. 24. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE said that he wanted to raise a point which worried him. He said he knew that the government had to invite tenders for the construction work and also for the provision of equipment. Nevertheless, he was afraid that construction companies had already been selected and that equipment would only come from abroad, leaving no opportunities for local companies and equipment available on the spot. He considered that the government ought to be able to select the construction companies as well as the equipment . 25. The motion that the Bill for the Loan Agreement Between the Republic of Vanuatu and International Development Association (Ratification) Act No. of 1989, be read a first Lime and pass was carried unanimously. COMMITTEE STAGE 26. Sect ion 1 , "Rat if icat ion11, was^approved uiianimous 27. Sect i on 2, "Commencement", was approved unanimous Le montant ghnhral du pret est de 882 millions de vatu. Le Ministre signal© ensuite que la 0AAID donneune subvention qui se decompose comma suit : - CoOt des investissements 437 millions de vatu - Assistance technique 371 millions de vatu Ce qui represents un total de 808 millions de vatu. 19. La stance est suspendue a 10H00 et reprend & 1OH25. 20. I*i. le Dhputh David TANARANGO declare qu'il appuie le projet de loi. 21. I*lme le Dhputh Hilda LINI declare qu'elle appuie le pro jet de loi. Puis ell© pose deux questions. Premiferement, est-ce que les examens (CGE et Baccalaurhat) seront rhdigds localement & l'avenir ? Deuxibmement, est-ce que les Eglises sa chargeront de la gestion tent financihrement qu'au niveau du personnel a pcurvoir 7 Car, dit-alla, les Eglises semblent dhsoeuvrhes et ont tendancB an consequence & s’occuper d'autres chases. 22. Le President signals que le Ministre responsable ne rdpondra qu'S la premiere question, btant donnh que la deuxidme est hors sujbL. 23. M. le Ministre Sethy REGENVANU rdpond que le projet portant but l'hlaboration des programmes d'examen eat en cours et qu'il couvre plusiaurs sujets obligatoiree et facultatifs. L'examen pour l'anndB 10 est fait localement pour 1989. Pour ce qui est des examens GCE et Baccalaurhat, 11 faudra beaucoup de dhbats et de recherches car c'est un sujet ddlicat, 24. M. le Ddputd Vincent BOULEKONE signal© qu'il voudrait mentionner un point qui l'inquidte, Il dit qu'il sait que le Gouvernement doit lancsr un appel d'offre pour la construction et auasi la fourniture du mathriel. Toutefois, il craint que les socidtds de construction ne soient ddjh retenues et que les mathriaux ne viennent de l'exdtieur ne laissant aucune chance aux socidths locales et aux mathriaux disponible8 sur place. Il considers que le Gouvernement devrait demander & choisir les socihths de constructions ainsi que lea mathriaux. 25. La motion portant adoption du projet de loi en premiere lecture est adoptbe h l'unanimith. gxame n_e n c 5 5T- 2 n 26. L'article 1t "Ratification", est adoptd & l'unanimith. 27. L1 art id e 2, "Ent rhe en vigueur", est adopth & 1’unanimith. SECOND READING 28. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA moved that the bill for the loan agreement between the Republic of Vanuatu and International Development Association (Ratification) Act No. of 1989, be read a second time and pass. 29. The motion that the Bill for the Loan Agreement be read a second time and pass was carried unanimously. BILL FOR THE CENTRAL BANK OF VANUATU (SPECIAL PROVISIONS) ACT NO. OF 1989 30. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA introduced the bill, explained its purpose and provisions and moved that the Bill for the Central Bank of Vanuatu (Special Provisions) Act No. of 1989, be read a first time and pass. 31. The Hon. Sarki ROBERT asked why the name Central Bank should change to Reserve Bank and whether the name Central Bank on currency would also change. 32. The Hon, Roger Jerry BOE expressed support for the bill and said it was normal for a general manager and Central Bank to be called governor and Reserve Bank in many parts of the world. 33. The Hon. Jack Kalo NIAL expressed support for the principle of the bill and stressed that the Reserve Bank was an achievement for the government like the other two financial institutions namely Vanuatu Savings Bank and Vanuatu Development Bank. He asked whether the Reserve Bank could work as a Commercial Bank. 34. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA explained that the name Reserve Bank would appear only on new notes and that concerning commercial institutions, the government was looking into plans to transform Vanuatu Savings Bank into a National Commercial Bank to deal with other matters now handled by other banks. He then outlined the main purposes of the Reserve Bank and stated that this Bank was the nerve centre for the country’s economy. 35. The Hon. Kavcor WASS congratulated the government for this bill which showed the results of hard work towards the country’s development. DEUXIEflE LECTURE 28. 1*1. le Ministre Sela MOLISA propose que le projet de loi soit examine en deuxifeme lecture et adopts. 29. La motion portant adoption du projet de loi en dBuxi&me lecture est adoptee & l’unanimitd. pro3et_de loi no. de 22£2-££LiIi£ J*aS92£.£^trale_de_ v anuaiu_[dispositio^ SPECIALES) PRE.HIERE LECTURE 30. 1*1. le Ministre Sela MOLISA presents le projet de loi et propose qu’il soit examind en premiere lecture. 31. I*), le Ddputd Robert SARKI demands lea raisons pour lesquelles le nom "Banque Centrals” va-t-il changer en "Banque de la Reserve de Vanuatu", et si les “ billets de banque feront l’objet du m§me changement, 32. I*l. le Ddputd Roger Jerry BOE soutient les principes de la loi et explique que lea niota "Gouvarneur" et "Banque de la Rdoerve" eont plus usuals dans la plupart des pays du monde que les mots "Directeur Gdndral” et "Banque Centrals". 33. 1*1. le Ddputd Kalo □. NIAL exprime san soutien aux principes du pro jet de loi et souligne que la Banque de la Rdserue de Vanuatu est une realisation pour le Gouvernement de mfimB qua les deux institutions financidres telles que Vanuatu Savings Bank et la Banque de Ddveloppement. Il demands si d l'avenir la Banque de la Reserve de Vanuatu peut fonctionnBr telle qu’une banque commercials. 34. 1*1. le Plinistre Sela P1QLISA explique que le nom "Banque de la Reserve de Vanuatu" figursra aur toue les billets de banque et que, concernant les institutions financiferee, le Gouvernement set en train d’ytudier la possibility de modifier le statut de la Vanuatu Savings Bank pour dsvenir unB banque commercials qui s’occupera dee autres affaires qui sont maintenant traitdes par d’autres banques Il citR les fonctions de la Banque de la Reserve de Vanuatu et les affaires qu’elle traits et declare que cette derniSre est le centre vital de lyconomie de Vanuatu. 35. 1*1. le Deputy Kavcor WASS fyiicitB le Gouvernement pour ce pro jet de loi qui montre l1asBiduitd du Gouvernement dans le ddvBloppement du pays. 36. The Hon. Wilson TARISEVUTI supported the bill but asked for clarification of section 15. 37. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU spoke in support of the bill and affirmed that the Reserve Bank was the nerve centre for the country's economy. 38. The Motion that the Bill for the Central Bank of Vanuatu (Special provisions) Act No. of 1989 be read a first time and pass was carried unanimously. COMMITTEE_STAGE 39. Section 1, "Change of Name of the Central Bank of Vanuatu", was approved unanimously. 40. Section 2, "Amendment to the Act No. 3 of 1980", was approved unanimously 41. The sitting suspended at 11.30 . 42. The sitting resumed at 2.10 pm. COMMITTEE STAGE (Continued) 43. Section 3rJ'Amendment of Section 3 of the Principal Act", was approved unanimously. 44. Section 4, "Amendment of Section 6 of the Principal Act", was approved unanimously. 45. Section 5, "Insertion of New Section 6A in the Principal Act", was approved unanimously . 46. Section 6, "Replacement of Section 8 of the Principal Act", was approved unanimously. 47. Sect ion 7/‘Insertion of New Sections 8A and 8B of the Principal Act", was approved unanimously. 48. Section 8j Amendment of_Sec£ion 9 in_the Principal Act", was approved unanimously. » 49. Section 9, "Amendment of Section 10 of the Principal Act", was approved on division. 36. 1*1. le DGputa Wilson TARI SEVUTI soutient les principes du projet de loi et demands des explications sur l'article 15. 37. M. le Plinistre de l'Education soutient les principes du projet de loi et affirme que la Banque de la Reserve de Vanuatu sat le centre vital de l'^conomie de VAnuatu. 30. La motion portant adoption du projet de loi en premifere lecture eBt adoptee & l'unanimit^. EXAMEN EN COMMISSION 39. L'article 1, "Changement du nom de la Banque de Centrals de Vanuatu", est adopts & 1'unanimity. 40. L'article 2, "Modification de la loi NO, 3 de 1980". est adopts & 1'unanimity 41. La stance ast suspendue & 11H3D. 42. La stance reprend 6 14H10. EXAMEN EN COMMISSION (Suite) 43. L'article 3. "Modification de l'article 3 de la loi principale", est adopts & 1'unanimity. 44. L'article 4, "Modification de l'article 6 de la loi principale". est adopts & l'unanimitd. 45. 1.1 article 5. "Introduction du nouvel article 6A dans la loi principals". est adopts & 1'unanimity. 4 46. L'article 6, "Remplacernent de l'article 8 de la loi principale". est adopts & l'unanimit^i. 47. L'article 7, "introduction desi nouveaux articles 0 A et 8 B dans la loi principale". est adopts £ 1L'unanimitS. 48. L'article 8, "Modification da l'article 9 de la loi principale". est adopts & l'unanimitd • 49. L'article 9, "Modification de l'article 10 de la loi principals". est adopts & 1'unanimity. 50. Section 10, "Replacement of Section 1 1 of the Principal Act ", was approved on division. 51. Section II, "Amendment of Section 21 of the Principal Act", was approved unanimously. 52. Section 12, "Amendment of Sect ion 28 of the Principal Act", was approved unanimously . 53. Section 13, "Amendment of Section 35 of the Principal Act", was approved unanimously. 54. Section 14, "Amendment of Section 36 of the Principal Act", was approved unanimously . 55. Section 15, "Amendment of Section 38 of the Principal Act", was approved unanimously. 56. Section 16, "Amendment of Section 39 of the Priuci pal Act", was approved unanimously. 57. Section 17, "Commencement^", was approved unanimously. SECOND READING 58. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA thanked the Hon. Members for their comments and questions and moved that the bill be read a second t ime and pass. 59. The motion that the bill be read a second time and pass was approved unanimously. 60. The sitting was suspended at 14.50. 61. The sitting resumed at 3.38. 9^t_21!EST10NS 62. The Hon. Jack Kalo N1AL asked whether there were investors interested in establishing industries in Santo similar to those members had visited in Vila. 63. The Hon. Minister Harold QUALAO explained that there were investors interested in Santo industries and that the government was trying to encourage industry there, but Lhe government had to consider facilities such as power 1* and other services. 50. L’article 10f "Remplacement de l’article 11 de la loi principals", eat adapts & l’unanimit^. 51. L'article 11, “modification dB l’article 21 de la loi principale", est adopts & l’unanimit^. 52. L’article 12, “modification de 1’article 28 de la loi principale", est adopts & l’unanimitd. 53. L’article 13, "Modification de 1’article 35 de la loi principale", est adopts & l’unanimitd. 54. L’article 14, "Modification de l’article 36 de la lai principale", est adopts & l’unanimita. 55. L’article 15, "Modification de l’article 30 de la loi principale", est adopts d l’unanimit^. 56. L’article 16, "Modification da l’article 39 de la loi principale". est adopts & l’unanimit^. 57. L’ayticle 17, "Entree en viqueur", est adopts & I1unanimity. DEUXIEME LECTURE 58. M. le Ministre Sela MOLISA reinarcie les d^putds pour leurs commentaires et questions, et propose quB le projet de loi soit examine en deuxifeme lecture et adopts. 59. La motion portant adoption du projet de loi NO. de 1989 relative S la Banque Centrale de Vanuatu (Dispositions'ppdciales) est adoptee £ 1’unanimity. 60. La stance est suapendue b 14H50 61. La stance reprend b 15H3B. QUESTIONS ORALES. 62. i*l. le D^put^ Kalo J. NIAL demands s’il y a des investisseurs qui sont int6resa6e pour cr6er des industries & Santo et que le Gouvernement e'applique & les encourager dana leurs initiatives, mais qu’il doit avant tout considSrer lee facilitd3 telles que le courant et d’autres services. 63, M. le Ministra responsable des industries explique qu’il y a beaucoup d’investisseurs qui sont intdressds pour crSer des industries d Santo et que le Gouvernement s'applique & les encourager dans leurs initiatives, mais qu’il doit avant tout consid^rer les facility telles que le courant et d’autres services The Hon. Daniel NATO asked how the government could transfer schools to Local Government Councils. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU explained that decentralisation policies already existed buc it was necessary to consider some areas before transferring schools to Local Government Councils. The Hon. James VUTI aBked why some teachers who were no longer working were still getting salaries. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU explained that any teacher who was no longer working should not receive any salary and asked all members to inform him of any similar cases. The Hon. Andrew WELWEL asked when the Ambrym Island Court would be set up. The Hon. Minister Donald KALPOKAS explained that there had been appointments of magistrates but that appointments were not yet complete. The Hon. Kavcor WASS wanted to know, from the Ministry of Agriculture, who the five applicants were for the South Pacific Fishing Company. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HORA agreed that there were applicants but that he did not know the names of the companies involved. He would provide the information later. » ■ The Hon. Simeon ENNIS asked if the government would establish branches of the Reserve Bank in rural areas. The Hon. Minsiter Sela MOLISA explained that rhe government had to establish a main bank before considering setting up branches in rural areas. The Hon. Gideon KOTA asked when field workers would start work on South Tanna. The Hon. Minister Jack T. HOPA explained that due to budgetary restrictions, there were not enough field workers available currently but when the situation improved, the Ministry would send some to Tanna. 64 1*1. le Dfeputfe Daniel NATO demands comment le Gouvernement peut-il transferer les dcoles aux Coneeils Provinciaux. * 65. 1*1. le Hiniatre Sethy REGENVANU explique que toutes les politiques de decentra lisation sont dfejfe sn vigueur maiB qu’il faut considferer certains domaines avant de tranafferer les fecoles aux consBile provinciaux. 66. 1*1. le Dfeputd James VUTI demands au flinistre de 1’Education pour quellee raisons eet-ce que dea enseignants qui ne travaillent plus regoivent toujours un salaire. 67. 1*1. le flinistre Sethy REGENVANU explique quB tout enseignant qui ne trauaille plus ne doit plus recevoir de salaires et demands fe tous les ddpdtds de 1’informer sur tout cas semblable. 68. 1*1 le Dfeputfe Andrew MELWEL demands au MiniBtre de la Justice quand est-ce que le tribunal d'lle d’Ambrym sera dtabli. 69. 1*1. le flinistre Donald KALPDKAS explique qu’il y a eu des nominations aux postes de magistrate mais que las nominations ne sont pas encore camplfetes. 70. {*1. le Dfeputd Kavcor MASS demands quels sont les cinq candidate qui ont demand^ de s'approprier de la “South Pacific Fishing Company'* 71 M. le Ministre Jack T. HOPA explique qu’il y a dee candidate mais qu’il ne connait pas les noms des socifetds et qu’il fournira les renseignemente plus tard. 72. 1*1. le Ddputd Ennis Simeon demands si le Gouvernement instituera dee agences de la Banque de la Reserve de Vanuatu dans les regions rurales. 73 le flinistre Sela HOLISM rdpond en disant qu’il taut avant tout considferer la banque principals avant d’dtudier les coOts d’dtabliasement da bureaux en zones rurales. 74. 1*1. le Dfeputfe Gideon KOTA demands quand les gdologues vont-ils commencer fe travailler au Sud de Tanna. 75 1*1. le Ministre Dock T. HOPA explique que du aux restrictions budgfetaires il n’y a pas asBez de gdologues disponibles en cs moment mais que lorsque la situation sera meilleure, le Minisbre enverra quBlques uns fe Tanna. * The Hon. Robert KARIE asked whether parents in regions affected by natural disasters should pay boarding fees for their children. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU explained that in the past the government only allowed one year fees exemotion for disaster areas but that this year^ after a government review, other areas affected were also allowed 12 months exemption. The Hon. Gaetano BULEWAK asked when the Wutjunmwel dispensary would get its supply of medecine. The Hon. Minister Jimmy C. METO explained that the problem was that the nurse in charge had not made any request for medecine . The Hon. Hilda LINI asked whether the Citizenship Commission would be functioning before the 10th Anniversary of Independence. The Hon. Prime Minister, Er. Waiter H. LINI in reply said that the government had not yet apDointed Commissioners but affirmed that the Citizen ship Commission would resume its functions before the 10th Independence Anniversary. He added that the Commission had given citizenship to many applicants, some ot whom did not respect it, so citizenship should now be carefully restricted. The Hon. Tele TAUN asked whether government scholarship bonds were binding on students only or also on the government? The Hon. Prime Minister, Fr. Walter H. LINI explained that the government had to be careful in bonding students, otherwise, after completion of their studies, many students would be obliged to work in government. The Hon. Daniel IAMIAHAM asked whether the currency notes carrying the name "Central Bank" would still be valid after the enforcement of the law. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA, explained that the old notes were legal tender and would continue to be used. TThe Hon. Robert SARKI referred to drilling teams on Tutuba and Malo and asked when the drilled areas would be supplied with water pumps. 76. Pi. le Depute Robert D. KARIE demands si les enfants des regions touchaes par * les cyclones devront-ils 'payer les frais de pension. 77. PI. le Plinistre de l1Education explique que le Gouvernement a accordd une exemption d'un an pour ces regions, mais que cette annde apr£s une revision du Gouvernement, toutes les autres regions touchees ont b£n$ficid d’une exemption. 70. PI. le Depute Gaetano BULEWAK demands quand le dispensaire de Ujunmel va-t-il recevoir see medicaments. 79. PI. le Plinietre de la Sante explique que le problems est seulement que 1'infirmier en charge du dispensaire n’a pas fait une demands de medicaments. 00. Pipe le Ddput£ Hilda LINI demands au Premier Plinietre si la Commission de la citoyennete reprendra see fonctions avant le 1D6me anniversaire de I1independence. • 81. Pl. le Premier Plinistre Walter H. LINI indique que la Gouvernement n’a pas encore nomine lea membres de la commission mais assure qua la commission reprendra sea fonctions avant le 10bme anniversaire de 1•independence. Il ajoute que la commission a autrefois accordd la citoyennety & beaucoup de candidate dont quelques-uns n'ont pas su le respect envers cette derni^re, ainsi 1'octroi de la nationality sera maintanant plus restraint. 82. PI. le Depute Tele TAUN demands si les obligations du Gouvernement sur les bourses ne s'appliquent qu'aux ei&ves ou aussi au Gouvernement. • 83. Pl. le Premier Plinietre Walter H« LINI explique que le Gouvernement doit prendre des precautions dans I1institution d’obligations aux dlSves & la completion < des dtudee, car il y aura trop d’ei&vea & embaucher dans la fonction Publique. 84. Pl. le Depute Darial IAPIIAHAPI demands si les billets de banque qui portent le nom de "Banque Centrals" seront toujours validee apr£s le mise en vigueur de la loi. 85. PI. le Plinistre Sela PIOLISA explique que ces billets de banque continueront d'etre utilises. Pi. le Depute Robert SARKI ee r6f&re & l'equipe de soudage de puits £ Tutuba • 86. et Plalo, et demands quand le Gouvernement fournira-t-il des pompes & eau e ces regions. * The Hon. Minister Jimmy C. METO former Minister for Water Supply explained that, after the drilling, the government had to draw up a proiect to work out the cost estimates. The Hon. Vincent BOULEKONE, Leader of the Opposition asked whether Vanuatu Citizens could buv Vulcan built houses. The Hon. Minister Sela M0L1SA said the government was looking into the possibility of selling these houses but must consider their standard first, as the quality was questionable. The Hon, Vincent BOULEKONE asked whether builders too would go to court if the houses were found to be of low quality. The Hon. Minister Sela MOLISA explained that if necessary, the government would take the builders to court, but the problem was that when the proiect started, there was no technical advice. He indicated that an investigation on the houses was in progress. The Hon. Jimmy NOANIKAM asked the cost of 100 metres of road construction by PWD. The Hon. Minister Jimmy C. METO former Minister for Public Works, replied that it was the duty of the Public Works Department on Tanna to build roads on Tanna. The Hon. Wilson TARI SEVUTI asked why the drilling teams on Ambae left before finding a water supply source. The Hon. Minister Jimmy C. METO, former Minister for Water Supply explained that the drilling teams were working according to a programme which had a three month period for each island. He said that after this period, the teams had Co move on. The Hon. Basil TABI asked why Ministers did not accompany other members on visits to some industries in Port Vila. The Hon. Minister Harold QUALAO explained that these visits had been organized for members to be made aware of various industries which Ministers already knew about. 87. 1*1. le Ministre Jimmy Chilia METO explique qu'apr&s le sondage, le Gouvernement doit dtudier et planifier d'un tel qu'un projet pour avoir une estimation du coQt, 88. M. la Chef de 1*Opposition Vincent BOULEKONE demands ei les ni-vanuatu peuvent acheter des maisons de la Vulcan (Office de gestion foncifere urbaine de Port-Vila). 89. M. le Ministre Sela MOLISA axplique que le Gouvernement consid&re de vendre ces maisons mais doit d'abord dtudier les normes de cas derniferes puisque leur quality est ajourd'hui mise en question. 90. M. le Chef de l'Opposition demands, si, apr&s l'enquete des experts, il e'av&ra que lee maisons soient de mauvaise quality, le Gouvernement peutnil pourauivre en justice le constructeur. 91. H, le Ministre des finances, M. Sela MOLISA, indique que a'il eat n^cessaire le Gouvernement poursuivra le constructeur en justice, male le probl&me est qu'au ddbut du projet 11 n'y aveit pas de conseils techniques. Il ajoute que une anquete est en cours. 92. M. le Ddput£ Jimmy Noanikam demands quel est le coOt de 100 m de construction de route par lee travaux publics. 93. M. le Ministre Jimmy Chilia METO rdpond qu'il est deJia responsabilitd des Travaux Publics de Tanna de conatruire las routes publiques & Tanna. 94. M. la D6put6 Wileon TARI SEVUTI demands pourquoi l’6quipe de sondage de puits qui dtalt basge & Aoba est partie alors qu'ils n'ont trouvd aucune source d'eau. 95. M. le Ministre Jimmy Chilia METO explique que l'dquipe suit un programme et qu'119 ont un ddai de 3 moia pour cheque He. Il ajoute que, ce d£lai paesd, l’dquipe doit se d^placer auivant le programme. 96. M. le D6put6 Basil TABI demands pourquoi toua les ministres n'ont pas accompagng lee ddput6a lore de la visits & certaines industries de Port-Vila. 97. M. la Ministre Harold 0. QUALAO explique que ces visites ont 6t6 organises pour fairs comprendre aux d^putds la diversity des industries de Port-Vila dont les ministres en eont dSjfc confidents. The Hon, John Tawi WESLEY asked whether there was money or a plan to build a bridge over Brenwe Village river. The Hon. Minisler Jimmy C. METO, former Minister for Public Works, said that he would have to follow up and find out. The Hon. Jack IAUKO asked if the Development Bank would encourage industries like those in Vila in rural areas. The Hon. Minister Sela M0L1SA replied that the Development Bank would help set up any industry and that a special branch of the European Investment Bank on Agronomy existed which dealt with this area. He added that there were funds available. The Hon. Minister Harold QUALAO affirmed that the Development Bank and Department of Industry were encouraging small industries, but they must be considered carefully before their establishment. The Hon. Roger Jerry BOE asked the Minister for Transport about the steps to be taken concerning roads atASanvari. The former Minister for Transport, the Hon. Minister Jimmy C. METO, explained that he had visited these roads and that he had given instructions to the Director to study the roads at Asanvari. The Hon. Joseph JACOBE asked whether there was any plan to extend Vila Town. The Hon. Minister Iolu ABB1L. explained that his Ministry and the Municipality had not yet considered this question but if it was necessary, arrangments would be made with the custom owners of urban land. The Hon. George BAET asked when the Health Centre would be built in the Banks/Torres Region. The Hon. Minister Jimmy C. METO explained that there was already a plan but he would follow it up. The Hon. Robert KARIE asked for information on helicopter services. The Hon. Prime Minister. Fr. Walter H. LINI, confirmed that there was a helicopter company established in Vanuatu but it could not offer its services as yet and it had not yet worked out its airfares for services to and from the islands. The Hon, Roger Jerry BOE read written question No. 1/89 (text appended) The Hon. Fr. Walter H. LINI read out the answer to the question (text appended) The Hon. Roger Jerry BOE read written quesiton No. 2/89 (text appended). The Hon. Minister Iolu AB8LI. provided the written answer to the Hon. Member’s question (text appended). 98 M. le Ddputd John TAWI demands s'il y a des fonds ou un plan pour la construction « d'un pant sur la rividre du village de Brenwd. 99. M. Is Ministre Jimmy Chilia METO explique qu'il n'est pas trds au courant da ceci mais qu'il devra se renseigner. 100. M. le Ddputd Jack IAUKO demands si la Banque de Ddveloppement encourage-t-alle 1'implantation des industries dans les rdgions rurales 101 M. le Ministre Sela MOLISA rdpond an disant que la Banque de Ddveloppement pourra aider d order dea industries mais qu'il exists une agsnce de la Banque Europdenne d1 investissement spdcialisde en agronomie qui s'occupe de ce domains. Il ajouts qu'il exist© des fonds. 102. M. le Ministre Harold QUALAO assure que la Banque de Ddueloppement et le MinistdrB des Industries encouragent les petites industries, qui doivent 8tre dtudidas longuement avant leur implantation. 103 M. le Ddputd Roger Jerry BOE demands au Ministre des Transports quelle sont les mesuree que le Miniature va prendre concernant les routes de Asanvuiari. w 104 Ministre Jimmy Chilia METO explique qu’il a visitd cp« routes st routes. a dorind des directives au Directeur des Travaux Publics pour dtudier css 105. M. le Ddputd Joseph JACOBE demands s'il y a un plan d'agrandir la ville de Port-Vila. 106. M. le Ministre Iolu J. ABBIL explique que son ministers et la Municipality n'ont pas encore considdrd cette question, maiomais quo,que, s'ilo xx est iiauoooaAio,ndeessaire ils pouiTurit fair© dea arrangements avec les propridtaires coutumiers des terres urbaines. 107. M. Is Ddputd George BAET demands quand le dispensairo da la region de Banks ♦ et Torres sara-t-il conatruit. 108. II le Ministre Jimmy Chilia METO explique qu'il y a ddjd un plan, mais qu'il « cherchara des renseignements sur cette affaire. 109 M. le Ddputd Robert 0. KARIE demands des informations sur le service des hdlicoptdres. 110 M. le Premier Ministre Walter H. LINI indique qu'il exists ddj£ une compagnie adrienne d'hdlicoptdras d Vanuatu, male qu’elle ne peut pas encore offrir see services, et alia n'a pas encore dtabli ass frais de transport. 111. M. le Ddputd Roger Jerry BOE lit la question dcrite NO. 1/89 (document Joint). 112. M. la Premier Ministre Walter H. LINI lit la rdponse. (Document Joint) * 113. M. la Ddputd Roger Jerry BOE lit la question dcrite NO. 3/89 (document Joint). * 114. M. le Ministre de l'Intdrieur, M. Iolu J. ABBIL lit la rdponae (document joint) 115. The Hon. Roger Jerry BOE read out wirtten question no.3/89 (text appended). * 116. The Hon. Minister Sethy REGENVANU read Che answer (text appended). 117. The Hon. Speaker announced that the Ordinary Session was adjourned until 22 May 1989. 118. The sitting was closed at 17.10. k j M. le D6put6 Roger Jerry BOE lit la question NO. 3/89 (document joint). 1*1. la Plinistre de 1*Education Sethy REGENUANU lit la r^ponse (document joint). Le President annonce que la session ordinaire est ajourn£e et reprendra le 22 Mai, 1989. Le sdancs est lev£e & 17H10.