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EXAMINING THE DESIGNATION AND REGULATION OF BANK HOLDING COMPANY SIFIS HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND CONSUMER CREDIT OF THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCIAL SERVICES U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED FOURTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION JULY 8, 2015 Printed for the use of the Committee on Financial Services Serial No. 114–38 ( U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 96–999 PDF WASHINGTON : 2016 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Publishing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402–0001 VerDate Nov 24 2008 15:05 Oct 12, 2016 Jkt 096999 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 5011 Sfmt 5011 K:\DOCS\96999.TXT TERI HOUSE COMMITTEE ON FINANCIAL SERVICES JEB HENSARLING, Texas, Chairman PATRICK T. MCHENRY, North Carolina, MAXINE WATERS, California, Ranking Vice Chairman Member PETER T. KING, New York CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York EDWARD R. ROYCE, California NYDIA M. VELA´ ZQUEZ, New York FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma BRAD SHERMAN, California SCOTT GARRETT, New Jersey GREGORY W. MEEKS, New York RANDY NEUGEBAUER, Texas MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts STEVAN PEARCE, New Mexico RUBE´ N HINOJOSA, Texas BILL POSEY, Florida WM. LACY CLAY, Missouri MICHAEL G. FITZPATRICK, Pennsylvania STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts LYNN A. WESTMORELAND, Georgia DAVID SCOTT, Georgia BLAINE LUETKEMEYER, Missouri AL GREEN, Texas BILL HUIZENGA, Michigan EMANUEL CLEAVER, Missouri SEAN P. DUFFY, Wisconsin GWEN MOORE, Wisconsin ROBERT HURT, Virginia KEITH ELLISON, Minnesota STEVE STIVERS, Ohio ED PERLMUTTER, Colorado STEPHEN LEE FINCHER, Tennessee JAMES A. HIMES, Connecticut MARLIN A. STUTZMAN, Indiana JOHN C. CARNEY, JR., Delaware MICK MULVANEY, South Carolina TERRI A. SEWELL, Alabama RANDY HULTGREN, Illinois BILL FOSTER, Illinois DENNIS A. ROSS, Florida DANIEL T. KILDEE, Michigan ROBERT PITTENGER, North Carolina PATRICK MURPHY, Florida ANN WAGNER, Missouri JOHN K. DELANEY, Maryland ANDY BARR, Kentucky KYRSTEN SINEMA, Arizona KEITH J. ROTHFUS, Pennsylvania JOYCE BEATTY, Ohio LUKE MESSER, Indiana DENNY HECK, Washington DAVID SCHWEIKERT, Arizona JUAN VARGAS, California FRANK GUINTA, New Hampshire SCOTT TIPTON, Colorado ROGER WILLIAMS, Texas BRUCE POLIQUIN, Maine MIA LOVE, Utah FRENCH HILL, Arkansas TOM EMMER, Minnesota SHANNON MCGAHN, Staff Director JAMES H. CLINGER, Chief Counsel (II) VerDate Nov 24 2008 15:05 Oct 12, 2016 Jkt 096999 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 K:\DOCS\96999.TXT TERI SUBCOMMITTEE ON FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND CONSUMER CREDIT RANDY NEUGEBAUER, Texas, Chairman STEVAN PEARCE, New Mexico, Vice WM. LACY CLAY, Missouri, Ranking Chairman Member FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma GREGORY W. MEEKS, New York BILL POSEY, Florida RUBE´ N HINOJOSA, Texas MICHAEL G. FITZPATRICK, Pennsylvania DAVID SCOTT, Georgia LYNN A. WESTMORELAND, Georgia CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York BLAINE LUETKEMEYER, Missouri NYDIA M. VELA´ ZQUEZ, New York MARLIN A. STUTZMAN, Indiana BRAD SHERMAN, California MICK MULVANEY, South Carolina STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts ROBERT PITTENGER, North Carolina MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts ANDY BARR, Kentucky JOHN K. DELANEY, Maryland KEITH J. ROTHFUS, Pennsylvania DENNY HECK, Washington FRANK GUINTA, New Hampshire KYRSTEN SINEMA, Arizona SCOTT TIPTON, Colorado JUAN VARGAS, California ROGER WILLIAMS, Texas MIA LOVE, Utah TOM EMMER, Minnesota (III) VerDate Nov 24 2008 15:05 Oct 12, 2016 Jkt 096999 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 K:\DOCS\96999.TXT TERI VerDate Nov 24 2008 15:05 Oct 12, 2016 Jkt 096999 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 K:\DOCS\96999.TXT TERI C O N T E N T S Page Hearing held on: July 8, 2015 ....................................................................................................... 1 Appendix: July 8, 2015 ....................................................................................................... 37 WITNESSES WEDNESDAY, JULY 8, 2015 The witnesses presented no oral testimony at this hearing. Due to time constraints, the Members gave opening statements and proceeded directly to questioning the witnesses. All of the written statements that the wit- nesses submitted can be accessed in the Appendix (see below). ...................... APPENDIX Prepared statements: Luetkemeyer, Hon. Blaine ............................................................................... 38 Neugebauer, Hon. Randy ................................................................................. 39 Barth, James R., Eminent Scholar in Finance, Auburn University; and Senior Fellow, the Milken Institute ............................................................ 42 Johnson, Simon, Ronald Kurtz Professor of Entrepreneurship, Massachu- setts Institute of Technology, Sloan School of Management; and Senior Fellow, Peterson Institute for International Economics ............................ 49 Kini, Satish M., Partner, Debevoise & Plimpton ........................................... 55 Kupiec, Paul H., Resident Scholar, the American Enterprise Institute ...... 67 Simmons, Harris H., Chairman and CEO, Zions Bancorporation ................ 95 ADDITIONAL MATERIAL SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD Neugebauer, Hon. Randy: Written statement of the Regional Bank Coalition ....................................... 105 (V) VerDate Nov 24 2008 15:05 Oct 12, 2016 Jkt 096999 PO 00000 Frm 00005 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 K:\DOCS\96999.TXT TERI VerDate Nov 24 2008 15:05 Oct 12, 2016 Jkt 096999 PO 00000 Frm 00006 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 K:\DOCS\96999.TXT TERI EXAMINING THE DESIGNATION AND REGULATION OF BANK HOLDING COMPANY SIFIS Wednesday, July 8, 2015 U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SUBCOMMITTEE ON FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND CONSUMER CREDIT, COMMITTEE ON FINANCIAL SERVICES, Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 1 p.m., in room 2128, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Randy Neugebauer [chairman of the subcommittee] presiding. Members present: Representatives Neugebauer, Pearce, Lucas, Posey, Luetkemeyer, Stutzman, Mulvaney, Pittenger, Barr, Rothfus, Guinta, Tipton, Williams, Love, Emmer; Clay, Hinojosa, Scott, Maloney, Sherman, Lynch, Heck, and Vargas. Ex officio present: Representative Waters. Also present: Representative Royce. Chairman NEUGEBAUER. The Subcommittee on Financial Institu- tions and Consumer Credit will come to order. Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare a recess of the subcommittee at any time. Today’s hearing is entitled, ‘‘Examining the Designation and Reg- ulation of Bank Holding Company SIFIs.’’ Before we begin, I would like to thank the witnesses for traveling to Washington to testify today. For situational awareness, we are expecting 4 votes sometime in the next 30 or 40 minutes. This first series of votes is expected to last possibly over an hour-and-a-half. Per an agreement with the Minority, Members’ oral statements will be limited to 1 minute per side. And without objection, the written opening statements of the chairman and the ranking member will be made a part of the record. I now recognize myself for 1 minute. Good afternoon. Over the last several years, we have seen bipartisan and bi- cameral interest in reexamining Dodd-Frank’s regulatory frame- work for bank holding companies with assets greater than $50 bil- lion. Dodd-Frank’s arbitrary asset threshold, set under Section 165, does not adequately consider the systemic risk profiles of bank holding companies. (1) VerDate Nov 24 2008 15:05 Oct 12, 2016 Jkt 096999 PO 00000 Frm 00007 Fmt 6633 Sfmt 6633 K:\DOCS\96999.TXT TERI 2 Section 165’s objective is to mitigate risk to the financial stability of the United States due to the distress and failure of the financial institutions. I am concerned that using a static asset threshold does not provide enough flexibility for regulators when designating systemic importance. Recent evidence shows vast differences in sys- temic importance between the smallest U.S. G-SIBs and the largest U.S. regional banks, yet they remain subject to the same Section 165 standards. Even banking regulators have highlighted the flaws in the Sec- tion 165 threshold. So, for example, Comptroller of the Currency Thomas Curry recently testified that there are currently non- systemically important banks being regulated as systemically im- portant due to the current threshold. As policymakers, we must always strive to be precise when im- proving legislation and frameworks so as to minimize unintended consequences. I hope that this hearing will allow members to begin considering different ways of measuring systemic importance and the regulatory consequences of being designated as a SIFI. I now recognize the ranking member of the subcommittee, Mr. Clay, for 1 minute. Mr. CLAY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I want to thank each of our witnesses for coming here today and testifying. I also would like to make clear to the subcommittee that I know that this is an abbreviated hearing, but if we are going to move for- ward with legislation, I look forward to having another hearing be- fore that occurs. The financial crisis was due in no small part to regulators’ fail- ure to use their existing authority to rein in banks’ risky lending and trading activities. We responded in the Dodd-Frank Act by clearly identifying for regulators which financial institutions would be subject to minimum prudential standards, while also granting the Federal Reserve discretion in its application of these standards. I welcome debate on regulators’ efforts to tailor their approaches to the particular risk that individual banks