LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 9 May 2019 9499 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Thursday, 9 May 2019 The Council continued to meet at Nine o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, G.B.S., J.P. PROF THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, G.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, S.B.S., J.P. 9500 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 9 May 2019 THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CLAUDIA MO THE HONOURABLE STEVEN HO CHUN-YIN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE FRANKIE YICK CHI-MING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WU CHI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YIU SI-WING, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHARLES PETER MOK, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHI-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAN-PAN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHE-CHEUNG, S.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LEUNG THE HONOURABLE ALICE MAK MEI-KUEN, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI THE HONOURABLE DENNIS KWOK WING-HANG THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHEUNG WAH-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG DR THE HONOURABLE HELENA WONG PIK-WAN LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 9 May 2019 9501 THE HONOURABLE IP KIN-YUEN DR THE HONOURABLE ELIZABETH QUAT, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LIAO CHEUNG-KONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE POON SIU-PING, B.B.S., M.H. DR THE HONOURABLE CHIANG LAI-WAN, S.B.S., J.P. IR DR THE HONOURABLE LO WAI-KWOK, S.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALVIN YEUNG THE HONOURABLE ANDREW WAN SIU-KIN THE HONOURABLE CHU HOI-DICK THE HONOURABLE JIMMY NG WING-KA, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE JUNIUS HO KWAN-YIU, J.P. THE HONOURABLE HO KAI-MING THE HONOURABLE LAM CHEUK-TING THE HONOURABLE HOLDEN CHOW HO-DING THE HONOURABLE SHIU KA-FAI THE HONOURABLE WILSON OR CHONG-SHING, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YUNG HOI-YAN DR THE HONOURABLE PIERRE CHAN THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHUN-YING, J.P. 9502 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 9 May 2019 THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-KWAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE HUI CHI-FUNG THE HONOURABLE LUK CHUNG-HUNG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE LAU KWOK-FAN, M.H. DR THE HONOURABLE CHENG CHUNG-TAI THE HONOURABLE JEREMY TAM MAN-HO THE HONOURABLE GARY FAN KWOK-WAI THE HONOURABLE AU NOK-HIN THE HONOURABLE VINCENT CHENG WING-SHUN, M.H. THE HONOURABLE TONY TSE WAI-CHUEN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HOI-YAN MEMBERS ABSENT: THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL TIEN PUK-SUN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KWOK WAI-KEUNG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHUNG KWOK-PAN THE HONOURABLE SHIU KA-CHUN THE HONOURABLE TANYA CHAN THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LAU IP-KEUNG, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KWONG CHUN-YU LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 9 May 2019 9503 PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE WONG KAM-SING, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THE HONOURABLE NICHOLAS W. YANG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR INNOVATION AND TECHNOLOGY THE HONOURABLE JOSHUA LAW CHI-KONG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE THE HONOURABLE KEVIN YEUNG YUN-HUNG, J.P. SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION THE HONOURABLE PATRICK NIP TAK-KUEN, J.P. SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND MAINLAND AFFAIRS MR CASPAR TSUI YING-WAI, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR LABOUR AND WELFARE MR ANDY CHAN SHUI-FU, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND MAINLAND AFFAIRS DR RAYMOND SO WAI-MAN, B.B.S., J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR TRANSPORT AND HOUSING CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MR KENNETH CHEN WEI-ON, S.B.S., SECRETARY GENERAL MS ANITA SIT, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MS DORA WAI, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MR MATTHEW LOO, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 9504 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 9 May 2019 GOVERNMENT BILLS Consideration by Committee of the Whole Council CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Committee now continues to consider the Appropriation Bill 2019. Mr CHU Hoi-dick, please speak. APPROPRIATION BILL 2019 MR CHU HOI-DICK (in Cantonese): Chairman, we now discuss heads with amendments. As we all know, with regard to the Budget of Hong Kong, the Legislative Council can only propose reductions of expenditure. We hold that expenditures should be reduced whether they are for the Chief Executive, the Secretary for Development, the Secretary for the Environment or many other departments. Now I would like to talk about an issue long neglected by Hong Kong people or the entire Hong Kong Government and that is, global warming and the climate crisis. Chairman, fresh after graduation I worked as an international news editor of a newspaper. Back then I thought that by reading international news, readers should be able to find out what is happening in the world and then think about how it bears relevance to them. But I found that this is not the case in reality. When news is put on the international news page, it becomes crises of other people or problems of other people as if we ourselves have no problem at all. The media in Hong Kong sees things this way, so does the Hong Kong Government. Yesterday, many Honourable colleagues mentioned the Fugitive Offenders Ordinance ("FOO")―Chairman, I do not intend to discuss FOO―but the Government issued a very interesting press release last night. When a number of countries worldwide are concerned that the amendments to FOO, if implemented in Hong Kong, will affect the business environment, the Government nevertheless said the opposite in the press release that the business environment in Hong Kong would be improved after implementation of the LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 9 May 2019 9505 amendments because the criminals would not be able to escape the long arm of the law then. I found that this Government, like the media, very much likes to distance itself far from the problem, taking it as other people's problem and thinking that there is no problem with itself. We have forgotten that actually we ourselves should probably be held mostly responsible for the creation of this crisis. Chairman, recently I have been reading international news because there is not much worth mentioning in the news of Hong Kong. It is reported in international news that the United Nations has published two important reports over the last six months. The first is the report published by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in October last year. In the report it is pointed out that global warming is worsening and that we are left with only 11 years because we must make significant changes before 2030 to achieve a 50% reduction in greenhouse gas emission and further reduce it to zero in 2050 in order to limit global warming to 1.5°C. The second report was published just in the last couple of days. It is a United Nations report on the global environment, in which it is pointed out that global warming does not only endanger the environment for the survival of human beings, but the development of capitalism worldwide has caused over 1 million species to face extinction. It is said in the report that since 1970, the world population has doubled, the global economy has grown four-fold, and international trade has increased 10 times, which all seem to be positive news. Some people may ask: Is it not good for the economy to record growth? However, you will notice at the same time that such economic growth is achieved on the basis of unsustainable habits. Between 1980 and 2000, the earth lost 100 million hectares of tropical forest, our insatiable appetites produced a mountain of waste, and plastic pollution in the world has increased 10-fold since 1980, triggering a lot of crises. Whether in respect of oceans or forests, the problems are most pressing, and they are not just the business of places outside Hong Kong. Recently, the Hong Kong Ecological Friendly Vision published a report on the consumption and self-sufficiency of food in Hong Kong. We tend to pay less attention to the part played by Hong Kong in food consumption and deterioration of the environment. To what extent should we be held responsible? The findings are indeed astonishing. It is found that Hong Kong now ranks second in the world in terms of seafood consumption, with an average 9506 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 9 May 2019 consumption of 71.2 kg of seafood per person per year, which is equivalent to eating about 120 fishes of 1 catty each. Comparing Hong Kong's figures with those of Taiwan, we will find that in Hong Kong, for the past five decades … At the beginning our figures were more or less the same as those of Taiwan but now, our fish consumption is double that of Taiwan. Our beef consumption is even more glaring. The per capita beef consumption in Hong Kong is more than five times that of Taiwan, whereas our pork consumption is 1.7 times that of Taiwan.