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Third Session – Forty-Second Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development Chairperson Mr. James Teitsma Constituency of Radisson Vol. LXXV No. 5 - 6 p.m., Monday, April 12, 2021 ISSN 1708-6698 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Second Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ADAMS, Danielle Thompson NDP ALTOMARE, Nello Transcona NDP ASAGWARA, Uzoma Union Station NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian Keewatinook NDP CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy, Hon. Kildonan-River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Roblin PC EICHLER, Ralph, Hon. Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne, Hon. Lac du Bonnet PC FIELDING, Scott, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GORDON, Audrey, Hon. Southdale PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah, Hon. Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg, Hon. Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek, Hon. Interlake-Gimli PC JOHNSTON, Scott Assiniboia PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMONT, Dougald St. Boniface Lib. LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya Notre Dame NDP MARTIN, Shannon McPhillips PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC MOSES, Jamie St. Vital NDP NAYLOR, Lisa Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine, Hon. Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Turtle Mountain PC REYES, Jon Waverley PC SALA, Adrien St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron, Hon. Springfield-Ritchot PC SMITH, Andrew Lagimodière PC SMITH, Bernadette Point Douglas NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Vérendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry NDP WHARTON, Jeff, Hon. Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC 105 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT Monday, April 12, 2021 TIME – 6 p.m. Ms. Ashley McKague, private citizen Mr. Ken MacDonald, private citizen LOCATION – Winnipeg, Manitoba Mrs. Liz Miller, private citizen CHAIRPERSON – Mr. James Teitsma (Radisson) Ms. Trish Rawsthorne, private citizen Ms. Irene Sheldon, private citizen VICE-CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Josh Guenter (Borderland) WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS: ATTENDANCE – 6 QUORUM – 4 Bill 56 – The Smoking and Vapour Products Members of the Committee present: Control Amendment Act Hon. Ms. Gordon, Hon. Mrs. Stefanson Dino Flett, Garden Hill First Nations MLA Asagwara, Mr. Guenter, Mrs. Smith (Point Douglas), Mr. Teitsma MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: APPEARING: Bill 10 – The Regional Health Authorities Hon. Jon Gerrard, MLA for River Heights Amendment Act (Health System Governance and Accountability) PUBLIC PRESENTERS: Bill 56 – The Smoking and Vapour Products Bill 56 – The Smoking and Vapour Products Control Amendment Act Control Amendment Act Ms. Katherine Legrange, Treaty One Nation Bill 67 – The Public Health Amendment Act Ms. Deborah Smith, Brokenhead Ojibway Nation Mr. Arlen Dumas, Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs * * * Mr. Mike Sutherland, Peguis First Nation Mr. Chairperson: Good evening. Will the Standing Bill 67 – The Public Health Amendment Act Committee on Social and Economic Development Ms. Darlene Jackson, Manitoba Nurses Union please come to order. Ms. Shannon McAteer, Canadian Union of Public Employees Our first item of business is the election of a Vice-Chairperson. Are there any nominations? Bill 10 – The Regional Health Authorities Amendment Act (Health System Governance and Ms. Gordon, perhaps turn your video on. Or I can Accountability) ask nicely for MLA Asagwara to nominate Josh Guenter. Or we can be patient. Oh, Minister Gordon, Ms. Darlene Jackson, Manitoba Nurses Union would you like to nominate somebody as Ms. Brianne Goertzen, Manitoba Health Vice-Chairman–Chairperson, sorry. Coalition Ms. Michelle Gawronsky, Manitoba Government Minister Gordon. Minister Gordon, are you able and General Employees' Union to hear me? Please give me a thumbs-up. That is a no. Mr. Cory Baillie, Doctors Manitoba Ms. Sherry Nield, private citizen Minister Gordon, our first item of business is the Ms. Leah Wiebe, private citizen election of a Vice-Chairperson. Are there any nom- Ms. Lori Amedick, private citizen inations? Mr. Colin Mehmel, private citizen Mrs. Ashley Rawluk, private citizen Hon. Audrey Gordon (Minister of Mental Health, Mrs. Jen Dyck, private citizen Wellness and Recovery): I have a nomination, Mrs. Elizabeth Dyer, private citizen Mr. Chair. 106 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA April 12, 2021 Mr. Chairperson: Go ahead. Also, if any presenter has any written materials for distribution to the committee, please send the file Ms. Gordon: I nominate Josh Guenter for by email to the moderator, who will distribute it to all Vice-Chair. committee members. Mr. Chairperson: Mr. Guenter having been nom- I thank you for your patience and we will shortly inated, are there any other nominations? proceed with public presentations. I did have a pro- Hearing no other nominations, Mr. Guenter is posal for the members, and that was out of respect for elected Vice-Chairperson. the few people who have signed up to speak to Bill 56 and 67, compared to the many who have signed for This meeting has been called to consider the Bill 10, that we proceed to hear the presentations for following bills: Bill 10, The Regional Health Bill 56 and then for 67 and then go to Bill 10 after that. Authorities Amendment Act (Health System Governance and Accountability); Bill 56, The Is there leave for the committee to proceed in that Smoking and Vapour Products [inaudible] Act; and manner? [Agreed] Bill 67, The Public Health Amendment Act. Thank you. Then we will do so. I'd like to inform all in attendance of the pro- So, let's see if I can find my list here. I think you visions in our rules regarding the hour of adjourn- only gave me Bill 10's list here. Oh–is it all in here? ment: a standing committee meeting to consider a bill There we go. All right. must not sit past midnight to hear public presentations or to consider clause-by-clause of a bill, except by Bill 56–The Smoking and unanimous consent of the committee. Vapour Products Control Amendment Act Mr. Chairperson: So, beginning with Bill 56, The Now, we've received written submissions from Smoking and Vapour Products Control Amendment the following people, and we've distributed those to Act. committee members: Sherry Nield, private citizen, on Bill 10; Chief Dino Flett, Island Lake First Nations, I will now call on Norman Rosenbaum, private on Bill 56. citizen, and ask the moderator to invite them into the meeting. Mr. Rosenbaum, I–when you appear–well, Mr. Clerk, were there any additional to those I'll just be patient. But I'll ask that you unmute yourself three? Okay? and turn your video on so that we can see you. So does the committee agree to have those docu- All right. Mr. Rosemaub [phonetic] does not ments appear in the Hansard transcript of this appear to be present, so we will get back to him. We'll meeting? [Agreed] drop him to the bottom of the list. Now, prior to proceeding with public Now, I will call Katherine Legrange, from Treaty presentations, I would like to advise members of the One Nation. Katherine Legrange, if I can ask the public regarding the process for speaking in a moderator to invite them into the meeting and then ask committee. them to unmute themselves and turn their video on. In accordance with our rules, the time limit of Welcome to the meeting, Ms. Legrange. You can 10 minutes has been allotted for presentations with proceed with your presentation. You have 10 minutes. another five minutes allowed for questions from the committee members. If a presenter is not in attendance Ms. Katherine Legrange (Treaty One Nation): when their name is called, they'll be dropped to the I won't take too long, I promise. bottom of the list, and if the presenter is not in [inaudible] and good evening. My name is attendance when their name is called a second time, Katherine Legrange. I'm the executive director for the they'll be removed from the presenters list. Treaty One Nation government. I would like to start by acknowledging the Treaty 1 Anishinabe land that So the proceedings of our meetings are recorded this hearing is being held on this evening. in order to provide a verbatim transcript. Each time someone wishes to speak, whether it be an MLA or a Treaty 1 was signed at Lower Fort Garry by First presenter, I first have to say the person's name. That is Nations chiefs and representatives of the Crown in the signal for the Hansard recorder to turn the mics on August 1871 after days of ceremonies and nego- and off. tiations. The Treaty One Nation government consists April 12, 2021 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 107 of seven First Nations in Manitoba, nations whose work in Treaty 1 territory; secondly, instead of trying combined population makes up approximately 33,000 to impose laws outside of their jurisdiction, we invite citizens. them to attempt to build a relationship with the Treaty One Nation government and our 33,000 citizens. Our collective government is mindful and re- These 33,000-plus citizens are a strong force in this spectful of each individual nation's laws and customs, province and throughout Canada. Lastly, the Treaty including their elected chiefs, councillors and One Nation government is prepared to do whatever it knowledge-keepers.