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Manitoba Clean Environment Commission Keeyask Keeyask Split Lake October 8, 2013 MANITOBA CLEAN ENVIRONMENT COMMISSION KEEYASK GENERATION PROJECT PUBLIC HEARING TATASKWEYAK CREE NATION * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Transcript of Proceedings Tataskweyak Metawekamik Centre Split Lake, Manitoba Tuesday, October 8, 2013 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Keeyask Split Lake October 8, 2013 APPEARANCES CLEAN ENVIRONMENT COMMISSION Terry Sargeant - Chairman Edwin Yee - Member Judy Bradley - Member Jim Shaw - Member Reg Nepinak - Member Michael Green - Counsel to the Board Cathy Johnson - Commission Secretary MANITOBA CONSERVATION AND WATER STEWARDSHIP Bruce Webb KEEYASK HYDROPOWER LIMITED PARTNERSHIP Glen Schick Halina Zbigniewicz Vicky Cole Shawna Pachal Keeyask Split Lake October 8, 2013 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS Opening by the Chief Garson 1 Opening prayer 2 Opening by the Chairman 12 PRESENTERS: Janet McIvor, Mary Wavey, Illa Disbrowe, Joyce Beardy, Keanna Wavey, Dana Kitchekeesik, Nicholas McLeod, Xavier and Marilyn Mazurat 18 Eunice Beardy 40 Charlotte Wastesicoot 47 Martha Spence 55 Jim Wavey 61 Freddy Beardy 68 Norman McIvor 70 Aubergine Spence 74 Conway Arthurson 78 Alan Keeper 95 Melvin Cook 98 Keeyask Split Lake October 8, 2013 Page 1 1 Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2 Upon commencing at 1:21 p.m. 3 CHIEF GARSON: First of all thank you 4 everyone for being here. And, all of the students, 5 I thank you for coming, and hopefully you will come 6 to understand the purpose of this gathering here in 7 at TCN. 8 Welcome Mr. Chairman, and Commissioners of 9 the Clean Environment Commission. That is these 10 people up here. And, actually they will be taking 11 over the process as we go along, and after I have 12 made my speech, and I would like to welcome the 13 representatives of Manitoba Hydro. They are, I 14 believe they are in the back. 15 And also, Honoured Guests, Chief Spence 16 from Fox Lake, thank you for being here. Chief 17 Constant from York Factory is here as well. Thank 18 you for being here. 19 And, also, all of you members of TCN, that 20 are here. It is, I believe we have to leave by 21 five, so we have some time. So also, this is an 22 opportunity for all TCN members to voice their 23 opinion on proposed Keeyask Generation Project, this 24 is your chance to speak, and don't be shy. And, 25 just say what you feel is in your heart, and what, Keeyask Split Lake October 8, 2013 Page 2 1 how you feel about the process that we have gone 2 through, and the proposed project itself. 3 Okay, to, welcome you, also, I would like 4 to have Reverand Martha Spence come up to open us 5 with a prayer. Actually, we only have one 6 microphone, so we have to pass this around. If you 7 could all stand, please. 8 (Opening Prayer) 9 CHIEF GARSON: Those of you who are sitting 10 in the chairs, could you move up a little, please, so 11 we could have a little room in the back. Apparently, 12 there are more students coming. Move up. So kids 13 if you could move, move along to the back, please. 14 Okay. So, we will get started. Again I 15 just want to welcome everybody, and I didn't, I kind 16 of underestimated the number of students, so I did 17 mention to the Chairman earlier today, that there is 18 a lot of kids in this community, and you have proven 19 me right. So thank you for being here. Teachers 20 that brought the students, that is good. 21 What I want to do is before we get to the 22 actual proceedings, I just wanted to mention to you 23 the significance of this gathering. This is an 24 opportunity for TCN, young and old, to have their 25 thoughts, as to how they really feel about the Keeyask Split Lake October 8, 2013 Page 3 1 proposed Keeyask Generating Station. Okay, and you 2 have that opportunity today to ask the questions 3 about the project. Concerns that you may have, and, 4 of course, as I mentioned earlier your feelings. 5 And that when you do make the comments, and your 6 speech, that you do say what you really feel. That 7 is what I really recommend. That is what happens 8 here today in this gathering. 9 So, I just want to go back a little bit, I 10 want to mention, because of the students that are 11 here just to give you a history of TCN's relationship 12 with Hydro. TCN's relationship with Hydro has 13 actually begun back, back in the '50s. I don't know 14 if I want to call it a relationship at the time. 15 But at that time TCN really didn't have a say in 16 regards to the Kelsey Dam. 17 The old people tell the story that one day 18 they saw a puff of smoke southwest of here, and they 19 had no idea what it was until they went to 20 investigate. And what the story that they tell is 21 Hydro was beginning to build generating stations 22 within TCN territory. 23 Just to give you an indication of what TCN 24 territory is, it was actually done in the late 1900s, 25 early '20s it was done by four people and, elders Keeyask Split Lake October 8, 2013 Page 4 1 obviously now in our terms. And what they surveyed 2 within the area, it starts off to the east as the 3 starting point or the boundary line is the railway 4 that leads up to Churchill. And as far west as past 5 Troy Lake, and the bridge area to the west. And, to 6 the north, it extends past Churchill River, and to 7 the south it goes down to Dafoe Lake, that way it 8 goes quite a way down south. But it represents 7 9 percent of Manitoba. Which is a huge area. A huge 10 area of Manitoba that, that TCN, I guess, that has as 11 our resource area. 12 So going back to the Kelsey days, the story 13 that goes is that there was a puff of smoke, our 14 elders went there, Hydro was beginning to cause 15 impacts in our resource area. They didn't have a 16 say in it. But it was Hydro had moved forward to 17 build a dam, however, what had happened at the time 18 was our people, because of the economy at the time, 19 and the work, that they desperately needed to support 20 their families, they worked for that project. 21 And obviously it was done in the early, it was done 22 in the early '60's, and so forth. But there was a 23 lot of work that was done after that fact. 24 So, given that experience that TCN had in 25 relation to Hydro development within our area, in the Keeyask Split Lake October 8, 2013 Page 5 1 early '70s, TCN was one of the First Nations that got 2 together with other First Nations, four First 3 Nations, which, which became the Northern Flood 4 Committee. And the First Nations that were there 5 was TCN, Cross Lake, Norway House, Nelson House, and 6 York Factory First Nation. 7 Those were the original five Northern Flood 8 Committee First Nations that had gotten together to, 9 to meet with Hydro and say, okay, if you want to 10 build anymore generating stations within our area, 11 you need to talk with us. You need to provide us 12 compensation. You need to provide us economic 13 benefits. And even business benefits. And even to 14 the point, and this was the early 1970s, the people 15 at that time had mentioned that they wanted a part of 16 those, those projects, as ownership. So this new, 17 this idea of being part owners of the proposed 18 Keeyask Generating Station, is not a new idea, it 19 happened then. So, it was an old idea that became 20 reality, as we were negotiating the Keeyask 21 generating process. 22 Just to give you an idea of what happened 23 then in 1977, the five First Nations along with Hydro 24 and Canada and the Province signed what we call the 25 Northern Flood Agreement. June -- December, sorry, Keeyask Split Lake October 8, 2013 Page 6 1 but, so 15, 16 years went by. But mind you during 2 that time Kettle was being built at that time. In 3 the late '60s, early '70s. So when these 4 discussions were going on, there was continuous work 5 by Manitoba Hydro within TCN territory. 6 So, given that we, the Northern Flood 7 Agreement represented a hope for the Northern Flood 8 bands to receive fair compensation, and provide 9 training, and economic development, and 10 opportunities, and even business benefits. However, 11 15, 16 years went by, nothing really happened. 12 Hydro basically was piece-mealing these First 13 Nations. Okay? We will give you this much for 14 that, that much for that, and that much for that. 15 So nothing ever really happened. And that is a long 16 time, 15, 16 years to have gone by without anything 17 significant happening. 18 So, and the mention, the, what we call the 19 Northern Flood Arbitrator from the five First Nations 20 that signed the Northern Flood Agreement there was 21 over a hundred claims that have been brought forth by 22 the First Nations for compensation, and for whatever 23 it is, whatever article that they applied to.
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