Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Speaker The Honourable Ben Hanuschak Vol. XVI No. 4 2:30p.m., Tuesday, August 19th, 1969. First Session, 29th Legislature. Printed by R. S. Evans - Queen's Printer for Province of Manitoba ELECTORAL DIVISION NAME ADDRESS ARTHUR J. Douglas Watt Reston, Manitoba ASSINIBOIA Steve Patrick 10 Red Robin Place, Winnipeg 12 BIRTLE-RUSSELL Harry E. Graham Bfnscarth, Manitoba BRANDON EAST Hon. Leonard S. Evans Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 BRANDON WEST Edward McGill 2228 Princess St., Brandon, Man. BURROWS Ben Hanuschak 11 Aster Ave., Winnipeg 17 CHARLESWOOD Arthur Moug 29 Willow Ridge Rd., Winnipeg 20 CHURCHILL Gordon Wilbert Beard 103 Copper Rd., Thompson, Man. CRESCENTWOOD Cy Gonick 115 Kingsway, Winnipeg 9 DAUPHIN Hon. Peter Burtniak Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 ELMWOOD Russell J. Doern 104 Roberta Ave., Winnipeg 15 EMERSON Gabriel Girard 25 Lomond Blvd., St. Boniface 6 FLIN FLON Thomas Barrow Cranberry Portage, Manitoba FORT GARRY Bud Sherman 86 Niagara St., Winnipeg 9 FORT ROUGE Mrs. lnez Trueman 179 Oxford St., Winnipeg 9 GIMLI John C. Gottfried 44- 3rd Ave., Gimli, Man. GLADSTONE James Robert Ferguson Gladstone, Manitoba INKSTER Hon. Sidney Green Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 KILDONAN Peter Fox 627 Prince Rupert Ave., Winnipeg 15 LAC DU BONNET Hon. Sam Uskiw Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 LAKESIDE Harry J. Enns Woodlands, Manitoba LA VERENDRYE Leonard A. Barkman Box 130, Steinbach, Man. LOGAN William Jenkins 1287 Alexander Ave., Winnipeg 3 MINNEDOSA Waiter Weir Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 MORRIS Warner H. Jorgenson Box 185, Morris, Man. OSBORNE lan Turnbull 284 Wildwood Park, Winnipeg 19 PEMBINA George Henderson Manitou, Manitoba POINT DOUGLAS Donald Malinowski 361 Burrows Ave., Winnipeg 4 PORTAGE LA PRAIRIE Gordon E. Johnston 7 Massey Dr., Portage la Prairie, Man. RADISSON Harry Shafransky 4 Maplehurst Rd., St. Boniface 6 RHINELAND Jacob M. Froese Winkler, Manitoba RI EL Donald W. Craik 66 River Rd., Winnipeg 8 RIVER HEIGHTS Sidney Spivak, Q.C. 1516 Mathers Bay, West, Winnipeg 9 ROBLIN J. Wally McKenzie lnglis, Manitoba ROCK LAKE Henry J. Einarson Glenboro, Manitoba ROSSMERE Hon. Ed. Schreyer Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 RUPERTSLAND Jean Allard 119 Provencher Ave., St. Boniface 6 ST. BONIFACE Laurent L. Desjardins 357 Des Meurons St., St. Boniface 6 ST. GEORGE Bill Uruski Box 629, Arborg, Manitoba ST.JAMES Hon. Al. Mackling Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 ST. JOHNS Hon. Saul Cherniack, Q.C. Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 ST. MATTHEWS Wally Johannson 471 Home St., Winnipeg 10 ST. VITAL Jack Hardy 11 Glenlawn Ave., Winnipeg 8 STE. ROSE Gildas Molgat 463 Kingston Crescent, Winnipeg 8 SELKIRK Hon. Howard Pawley Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 SEVEN OAKS Hon. Saul A. Miller Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 SOURIS-KILLARNEY Earl McKellar Nesbitt, Manitoba SPRINGFIELD Hon. Rene E. Toupin Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 STURGEON CREEK Frank Johnston 31 0 Overdale St., Winnipeg 12 SWAN RIVER James H. Bilton Swan River, Manitoba THE PAS Ron McBryde 56 Paul Ave., The Pas, Manitoba THOMPSON Hon. Joseph P. Borowski Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 TRANSCONA Hon. Russell Paulley Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 VIR DEN Morris McGregor Kenton, Manitoba WELLINGTON Hon. Philip Petursson Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg 1 WINNIPEG CENTRE Bud Boyce 777 Winnipeg Ave., Winnipeg 3 WOLSELEY Leonard H. Claydon 116'1:. Sherbrook St., Winnipeg 1 31 THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2:30 o'clock, Tuesday, August 19, 1969 Opening Prayer by Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Presenting Petitions; Reading and Receiving Petitions; Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Committees; Notices of Motion; Introduction of Bills; Orders of the Day. ORAL QUESTION PERIOD MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable House Leader of the Liberal Party. MR. GORDON E. JOHNSTON (Portage la Prairie): Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Honourable the First Minister. Does the government have anything further to report on the apparent plan by the C. N. R. to cancel the Camper's Special to the Fairlane, Ontario terminal; and could he also inform this House if the government intends to initiate or ask for hearings to represent the people concerned? HON. ED. SCHREYER (Premier) (Rossmere): Mr. Speaker, I can tell the Honourable Member for Portage la Prairie, the Leader of the Liberal Party, that the Minister of Transport does have this subject matter under advisement and that also, in the interval, the procedure is pretty clear that the Canadian Transport Commission will have to pass on any application that the C. N. R. may wish to make in connection with this proposed termination of rail service, and that therefore one can expect that there will be hearings held under the aegis of the Canadian Transport Commission in which case there will be submissions made by the Province of Mani­ toba and any other interested parties. MR. SIDNEY SPIVAK, Q. C. (River Heights): Mr. Speaker, this is really in the nature of a supplementary question. I wonder if the First Minister can inform me as to whether rail matters will be that responsibility of the Minister of Transportation or himself, or as Minister of Industry and Commerce. MR. SCHREYER: The precise form that this shall take is still open to some revision, but I think the Honourable Member can take it that the Department of Transport will be exercising the primary responsibility and there will be inter-departmental co-ordination. MR. SPEAKER: The Leader of the Official Opposition. MR . WALTER WEIR (Leader of theOpposition)(Minnedosa): Mr. Speaker, I wonder if I might enquire of the First Minister, I see in the press that beside the invitations that were extended in terms of a Speakership, that there was at least one application. I wonder if we could know if there was more than one application for the Speakership, and if so, who they might be? MR. SCHREYER: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable the Leader of the Opposition should be among the first to know that not everything that is said in the press is kind nor true. MR . SPEAKER: The Honourable the Member for Lakeside. MR . HARRY ENNS (Lakeside): Mr. Speaker, I direct a question to the Honourable Minister of Tourism and Recreation. Could he inform the House if his department is proceed­ ing with the development plans at Hecla Island? HON. PETER BURTNIAK (Minister of Tourism & Recreation)(Dauphin): Mr. Speaker, in answer to that question, we are in the process of looking at the situation and I think that in a short time the answer will be forthcoming. · MR . ENNS: I take it then that the lands that have been frozen in that area have continued in that state. In other words, land purchases are in the midst of being made in that general area. MR . BURTNIAK: Mr. Speaker, that is a matter of policy, that's right. MR . SPEAKER: The Honourable the Member for Arthur. MR. J. DOUGLAS WATT (Arthur): Mr. Speaker, I wonder if I could direct a question to the Honourable the Minister of Labour. In view of his statement in the Brandon Sun dated August 16th, regarding a raise in salaries to Simplot workers out in Brandon, I think the raise that he has announced is 60 cents per hour - which will graduate up to 60 cents per hour by 1972, increasing the salaries from permanent labour at the lowest to $3.02 per hour up to $4.08 per hour. The question I would like to ask the Honourable Minister of Labour - will this be reflected in increased costs of fertilizer to the farmers of Manitoba? HON. RUSSELL PAULLEY (Minister of Labour)(Transcona): Mr. Speaker, may I suggest to my honourable friend that I am not responsible for anything that appears in the 32 August 19, 1969 (MR. PAULLEY cont1d.) ..... Brandon Sun or any other newspaper in Manitoba. An agree­ ment has been entered ir.to between the repesentatives of the employees and Simplot Limited, that agreement having been successfully concluded, and it is not the responsibility of the Minister of Labour for any due announcement. MR. WATT: Is the honourable member responsible for Government Information Services? MR. P AULLEY: The Honourable Minister is responsible for an atmosphere in labour relations which is at the highest pitch it has ever been in the Province of Manitoba, MR. WATT: Mr. Speaker, if I could be permitted one more question, will the increase take place, and if so, what will happen to the price of fertilizer? This is the question I want an answer to. MR. PAULLEY: What the net result will be will be decided by the industry, as my honourable friend the former Minister of Agriculture is well aware. MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable the Member for Assiniboia. MR. STEVE PA TRICK (Assiniboia): Mr. Speaker, I wish to direct my question to the Honourable Minister of Health and Social Services. Is the government giving any consideration to the extension of Medicare to drugs and medicine? If such across-the-board extension is not planned at this time, I wonder if it is the intention of the government to extend this later in the session or in the near future. HON. SIDNEY GREEN (Minister of Health & Social Services)(Inkster): Mr. Speaker, the government is always giving consideration to improvements of its existing programs, Medicare · being one of them. MR . SPEAKER: Has the honourable member a supplementary question? MR. STEVE PATRICK: A second question. I know this was one of the promises that was made during the election campaign, that extension in Medicare will be given in the way of ·medicine and drugs. MR . GREEN: Mr. Speaker, the answer stands, that consideration is being given to the program. I can't recall the promise having been given in the form suggested by the Honourable member. MR . SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Brandon West. MR. EDWARD MCGILL(Brandon West): Mr.