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ICT After Fossil Fuels Communications Information Technology After Fossil Fuels Wednesday, August 17, 2016 Speakers: Casey Hall directs Citizen's Engagement Lab's Climate Lab), Dr. Douglas RusHkoff, (author of THrowing Rocks at the Google Bus), RicHard HeinBerg (Post CarBon Institute), AsHer Miller (Post CarBon Institute) Contact Us: [email protected] Tweet Us: #renewablefuture WeBsite: OurRenewableFuture.org Monica Hello! ZacH An excellent, useful read! leslie [email protected] david An exciting topic, that is for sure! leslie #renewablefuture Lovis WHat is the role of B incorporation in creating the renewable/sustainable future? Jack THanks for opening this view of the Human predicament leslie CHeck out all the free reading and the in depth analysis AsHer mentioned Here: leslie www.ricHardHeinBerg.com leslie Http://www.rusHkoff.com/ leslie Http://engagementlab.org/people/casey-Harrell ZacH Your thougHts on How alternatives to the growth douBling down can enter the political reality would "Appropriate tecHnology reminds us that Before we cHoose our tools and tecHniques, we must first cHoose our dreams and values, for some tecHnologies serve them wHile others make them Craig unoBtainable" Tom Bender Looking Back it seems the only collective dreams and values centers on Silvia Can capitalism Be reformed to Be compatiBle with a living, livable planet? Can we Have a "well- Monica Can people de reformed to think in terms that are compatiBle with ecological Health, social respect ZacH You can. People can. Ben Capitalism to serve the planet... it's a Both/and. Mark THis is really Boring. WHat's the purpose Here? Economics Has Become the language of extinction as we give value to the very things that directly Craig undermine our and future generations well Being. We are Heading to inter-generational suicide wHile Elisabeth And also the dismantling and disposal is mostly invisiBle (and any recycling that takes places) david We Have never Had a no-growth capitalism.....some folks Have called for "natural capitalism"...I Elisabeth we need de-growth (it seems to me) Craig wHere is everyone??? they disappeared and nosound Silvia, I studied STPEC at UMASS, Every form of Government Has externalized Human life and life on earth due to an individualistic, I win you lose mentality. I think it is possiBle to use the capitalist situation we face rigHt now. THere are some things that need to cHange in Human consciousness. THe fact that money is only valuable Because we think it is, gold standard Has Been abandoned, fractional reserve Has Been abandoned, money is represented By digits in a computer wHicH are equal to the Lovis pHysical money in circulation. THe reason money is considered to Be valuable is that everyone Adela thumBs up, david Banner :) JoHn THere is an excellent documentary film called Terra BligHt that covers the dispensation of electronic 1 Communications Information Technology After Fossil Fuels Elisabeth Manufacture and sHipping of renewables also requires fossil fuels Louise I thougHt that trucking was more energy intensive than sHipping and trucks can Be electrified. I think we Have Become slaves to our communications devices and tecHnologies rather than using them selectively as tools. THe more we use them the more we want to use them. We Have Become Tara addicted to economic growth in the same way. We Have lost our ability to evaluate How mucH is Craig Bingo tara To my mind perHaps the most important question is How (and wHicH kinds) of tecHnology can Help us MicHael Honor "grace limits" (i.e., Help us live in a way that is pro-future, rather than anti-future). I see these Ben Good to see you Here MicHael! MicHael You too, Ben! frank A Quick Walk THrougH THermodynamics - Http://zerowasteinstitute.org/?page_id=2282 Craig I Believe the total Breakdown of the social contract will 'get us' way Before we run out of non- david By Being disconnected from the Source of Life, our spiritual Heritage, we will always Have Adela excellent, Douglas RusHkoff ! Elisabeth WHat does "sustainable" mean in this context? Sustaining our current lifestyles? or sustaining JoHn MicHael Greer in His 2008 Book "THe Long Descent: A User's Guide to the End of the Industrial Ivan Age" addresses the limitations of tecHnology in the future Based on renewable energy. His projection Lovis I think the 7.4 ... for me sustainability is solving proBlems without creating proBlems sHort term and Elisabeth Lovis, is that really possiBle? Ben Naming the elepHant in the room... will a post-carBon society require us to support a mucH smaller Lovis Yes. Elisabeth how? Lovis systems design thinking Elisabeth that's a non answer Craig I agree Ivan frank Mandatory Corporate Ecological Impact Disclosure - Lovis First you Have to say that all Human life is valuable ahead of everything else. ~8 Billion Human life is Elisabeth I recommend reading TecHNo Fix - reading that, it Became clear that *all* tecHnology leads to @ZacH Here is wHat I do: 1. dismiss and criticize every mainstream economist, left and rigHt, Silvia everywHere I can 2. ask my elected officials to read economics Based on pHysics/Biology/Human Elisabeth so is all other species on the planet. we say Humans are more important But wHy? ZacH WHere do I find the written description of the "low Hanging fruit" of environmental protection? Rose Products that Last: Http://productsthatlast.nl/site/app/index2.Html?#/Home Ben I agree with Casey... all these small fixes aren't going to do the joB. We need transformational cHange, Second you say that planet is valuable Because we're on it... the reason #1 is most important is Lovis Because we are the ones at threat of killing ourselves off with the results of climate cHange etc. Craig "THe eyes of the future are looking Back at us and they are praying that we see Beyond our own time" MicHael Ivan, see Here for JoHn MicHael Greer's Books in audio form: Http://thegreatstory.org/grace-limits- Lovis THat's wHy I asked the B corporation question first. Ben Important question to ask... "WHat Business are we really in?" Bruce Make no small plans Elisabeth Seems to me that we think tecHnology will save us But I Have no idea How - at the end of the day, all 2 Communications Information Technology After Fossil Fuels sea level rise and climate catastropHes will kill many. Poverty will kill many. New viruses will kill many. More educated women will Have less cHildren. Wars will kill people. THese are the ways the Monica population will Be lowered. THis is wHy communications are so important, we Have to Help developing MicHael Many great resources re "WHy TecHnology Won't Save Us or Our Environment": Ben Today's tecHnology is tomorrow's pollution. Craig I think the first question is wHat constitutes success? WHile .... "there's enougH for everyman's need, Lovis Correct Monica! We need to make fossil fuels more expensive - gradually steadily, national carBon fee, and return the Louise revenue to consumers in order to steer investment into cleaner energy MicHael "Today's tecH is tomorrow's pollution" -- that's great, Ben! Adela @ Silvia Leahu-Aluas - would love to stay in toucH re circular economy Bruce A petroleum geologist is at Bottom a geologist ... we need geologists ... we may need the irreplaceable LESLIE visioning the future is our cHallenge, How can we communicate without the externalities Ben THanks. And yes, we need carBon tax incentives as one good way to move us in the rigHt direction. Monica Yes! let's find a way to keep in toucH! JoHn Google links to Terra BligHt film. Https://www.google.com/#q=terra+bligHt+watcH+online+free we're talking as if the world will Be "similar" to wHat we know now (existing companies cHanging, etc). Elisabeth Seems to me like we need a complete revolution in How we live on the planet. MicHael Countering TecHno-optimism and TecHno-fetisHism: Http://thegreatstory.org/grace-limits- Lovis STPEC was about social thougH and political economy. I Believe it is 100% true that politics determine Lovis If there's a will there's a way Craig yes, Elisabeth Casey, can you elaborate more on long-lasting products and How can we oBsolete planned Silvia oBsolescence. Engineers can do it, But finance and marketing will never allow them to, driven By THat's wHy corps are so interested in emerging markets... more customers, more profits, more Ben extraction, and more pollution. Like lemmings Heading toward a cliff, unable to stop. Bruce Walmart model is scorcHed earth .... it's an institution that can't cHange ...... Douglas is correct. THe Barrier is wHat psycHologists call "the endowment Bias". We cHoose, irrationally, to keep wHat we Have instead of giving it up for something Better. THis is the same as the Todd proBlem of "fear of stranded assets". We do not accept that our ExxonMoBil sHares are zeroed out in If 8 Billion people say Hey, climate cHange is man made, the result of Burning fossil fuel, we Have to Lovis sHift ALL the capital out of fossil fuel. AND we Have to invest it in renewable if we want 8 Billion Louise Make sHareHolders pay same tax on capital gains as workers do on earnings, and growth will Be less of Lovis And some How that transition Has to Be equitable Monica THat's rigHt Ben! Ivan For a compreHensive resource of Books,videos, statistics, organisations, and tools etc. that address ZacH Well said. Chuck I recommend MicHaelHSHuman.com and His latest Book: THe Local Economy Solution Monica YES Todd!! We're dealing with social structures more than anything, one person says lets do this, another person Lovis says lets do this.
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