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ISSN 0542-5492 Third Session - Thirty-Second Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS 33 Elizabeth 11 Publishedunder the authority of The Honourable D. James Walding Speaker VOL. XXXII No. 54 - 10:00 a.m., FRIDAY, 29 JUNE, 1984. Printed by the Office of the Queens Printer. Province of Manitoba MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Second Legislature Members, Constituencies and Political Affiliation Name Constituency Party ADAM, Hon. A.R. (Pete) Ste. Rose NDP ANSTETT, Hon. Andy Springfield NDP ASHTON, Steve Thompson NDP BANMAN, Robert (Bob) La Verendrye PC BLAKE, David R. (Dave) Minnedosa PC BROWN, Arnold Rhineland PC BUCKLASCHUK, Hon. John M. Gimli NDP CARROLL, O.C., Henry N. Brandon West IND CORRIN, O.C., Brian Ellice NDP COWAN, Hon. Jay Churchill NDP DESJARDINS, Hon. Laurent St. Boniface NDP DODICK, Doreen Riel NDP DOERN, Russell Elmwood IND DOLIN, Hon. Mary Beth Klldonan NDP DOWNEY, James E. Arthur PC DRIEDGER, Albert Emerson PC ENNS, Harry Lakeside PC EVANS, Hon. Leonard S. Brandon East NDP EYLER, Phil River East NDP FILMON, Gary Tu xedo PC FOX, Peter Concordia NDP GOURLAY, D.M. (Doug) Swan River PC GRAHAM, Harry Virden PC HAMMOND, Gerrie Kirkfield Park PC HARAPIAK, Harry M. The Pas NDP HARPER, Elijah Rupertsland NDP HEMPHILL, Hon. Maureen Logan NDP HYDE, Lloyd Portage la Prairie PC JOHNSTON, J. Frank Sturgeon Creek PC KOSTYRA, Hon. Eugene Seven Oaks NDP KOVNATS, Abe Niakwa PC LECUYER, Hon. Gerard Radisson NDP LY ON, O.C., Hon. Sterling Charleswood PC MACKLING, O.C., Hon. AI St. James NDP MALINOWSKI, Donald M. St. Johns NDP MANNESS, Clayton Morris PC McKENZIE, J. Wally Roblin-Russell PC MERCIER, O.C., G.W.J. (Gerry) St. Norbert PC NORDMAN, Rurik (Ric) Asslniboia PC OLESON, Charlotte Gladstone PC ORCHARD, Donald Pembina PC PAW LEY, Q.C., Hon. Howard R. Selkirk NDP PARASIUK, Hon. Wilson Transcona NDP PENNER, Q.C., Hon. Roland Fort Rouge NDP PHILLIPS, Myrna A. Wolseley NDP PLOHMAN, Hon. John Dauphin NDP RANSOM, A. Brian Tu rtle Mountain PC SANTOS, Conrad Burrows NDP SCHROEDER, Hon. Vie Rossmere NDP SCOTT, Don lnkster NDP SHERMAN, L.R. (Bud) Fort Garry PC SMITH, Hon. Muriel Os borne NDP STEEN, Warren River Heights PC STORIE, Hon. Jerry T. Flin Flon NDP URUSKI, Hon. Bill lnterlake NDP USKIW, Hon. Samuel Lac du Bonnet NDP WALDING, Hon. D. James St. Vital NDP LEGISL ATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Friday, 29 June, 1984. Time - 10:00 a.m. 8:00 p.m. in Room 255, Legislative Building and heard representations with respect to Bill (No. 22) - An Act OPENING PRAYER by Mr. Speaker. to amend The Labour Relations Act and Various Other Acts of the Legislature. Prior to the representations MR. SPEAKER, Hon. J. Welding: Presenting Petitions being made, the following motion was passed in Committee: . Reading and Receiving Petitions . "THAT in view of the number of delegations that are PRESENTING REPORTS BY STANDING before the Committee, that each presentation and any subsequent questions and answers be limited to a AND SPECI AL COMMITTEES period of one hour." Representations on Bill No. 22 were made as follows: MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Burrows. WEDNESDAY, JUNE 27, 1984- 8:00 p.m. Messrs. Keith Godden and Bill Gardner, Winnipeg MR. C. SANTOS: Mr. Speaker, I beg to present the Chamber of Commerce, Fourth Report of the Committee on Statutory Pastor Don Mclvor, Seventh-Day Adventists Regulations and Orders. Church in Canada, Mr. Dennis Sutton, Canadian Manufacturers'· MR. CLERK, W. Remnant: Yo ur Committee met on Association, Thursday, June 28, 1984 at 8:00 p.m. in Room 254, Mr. Sidney Green, Manitoba Progressive Party, Legislative Building and heard representations with Messrs. Blunderfield and Dennis Stewart, Prairie respect to the Bills before the Committee as follows: Implement Manufacturing Association, Bill 7 - The Central Trust Company Act, 1984; Messrs. Blunderfield and DennisStewart , Prairie Loi de 1984 sur la compagnie du Trust Central, Implement Manufacturing Association, Messrs. AI McGregor and John Pullen, Manitoba Mr. Bob Smellie, Central Trust Company. Food and Commercial Workers and Manitoba Bill 17 - An Act to amend The Dental Mechanics Federation of Labour. Act, Mr. Te d Hechter, President, Manitoba Dental THURSDAY, JUNE 28, 1984 - 10:00 a.m. Association, Mr. Ray Winston, Manitoba Fashion Institute Inc., Mr. Mel Myers, The Dental Mechanics of Mr. Daniel Quesnel, Private Citizen, Mr. David Newman, The Task Forceof Employers Manitoba. Association, Yo ur committee has also considered: Mr. Andy Dawson, Manitoba Health Bill 7 - The Central Trust Company Act. 1984; Organizations Inc. Loi de 1984 sur la compagnie du Tr ust Central, THURSDAY, JUNE 28, 1984 - 8:00 p.m. Bill 29 - An Act to amend An Act respecting Mr. Dick Martin, Canadian Labour Congress. The Agricultural and Community District of Newdale, WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS: And has agreed to report the same without Manitoba Associaton of Rights and Liberties, amendment. The Mining Association of Manitoba. Yo ur Committee has also considered: Yo ur committee has considered: Bill 22 - An Act to amend The Labour Relations Bill 17 - An Act to amend The Dental Mechanics Act and Various other Acts of the Legislature, Act, And has agreed to report the same with certain Bill 26 - The Chiropractic Act; Loi sur la amendments. chiropractie, Yo ur committee has also considered: And has agreed to report the same with certain Bill 35 - An Act to amend The Construction amendments. Industry Wages Act, And has agreed to report the same without MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Burrows. amendment. MR. C. SANTOS: Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Wolseley. the Honourable Member for St. Johns that the report of the Committee be received . MS. M. PHILLIPS: Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the Honourable Member for The Pas, that the report of the Committee be received. MOTION presented and carried. MOTION presented and carried. MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Wolseley. MR. H. ENNS: On division. MS. M. PHILLIPS: Mr. Speaker, I beg to present the First Report of the Committee on Industrial Relations. MR. SPEAKER: On division? Do the members wish to vote on the matter? MR. CLERK: Yo ur Committee met on Wednesday, June 27 at 8:00 p.m., Thursday, June 28 at 10:00 a.m. and MR. H. ENNS: On division, Mr. Speaker. 2338 Friday, 21 June, 1914 MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS it is the province's law which has placed the city in this AND TA BLING OF REPORTS difficult position that they find themselves? MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Minister of Co HON. H. PAWLEY: Mr. Speaker, I think, so that we can operative Development. probably assist the honourable member in having a clear understanding, I would call upon the Minister of HON. J. COWAN: Thank. you, Mr. Speaker. I beg leave Municipal Affairs to review the present situation with to table the Annual Report of the Co-operative the Member for St. Norbert. Promotion Board for the fiscal year 1982-83. MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Minister of Municipal MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Minister of Finance. Affairs. HON. V. SCHROEDER: I'd like to table a return under HON. A. ANSTEn: Mr. Speaker, the suggestion by Section 66 of The Legislative Assembly Act. the Honourable Member for St. Norbert that a reassessment of the city is not possible contradicts the MR. SPEAKER: Ministerial Statements and Ta bling of board's own direction that a reassessment of the whole Reports . Notices of Motion . Introduction of of the central business district be done. Bills .. Sir, the key phrase in the decision of Justice Estey in the Supreme Court last December which indicated INTRODUCTION OF GUESTS that the Board of Revision activities were not frozen by legislation Introduced by the honourable member MR. SPEAKER: Prior to Oral Questions, may I direct who asked the question , and subsequently reconflrmed the attention of honourable members to the gallery by this government, allowed the Board of Revision to where we have 19 students of Grade 6 standing from proceed with its activities and issue the order it did, the St. Vital Immersion Program at Norberry School. which allows reassessment, either on a district basis They are under the direction of Mr. Boris and the school or on a broader basis, to take place. is in the constituency of the Honourable Member for The key phrase, Sir, and I'm reporting from Page 13 Riel. of the Supreme Court decision of, I believe, December On behalf of all the members, I welcome you here 13th last year, Morguard Properties et al versus the this morning. City of Winnipeg - the amount of the assessed value is not, in terms, frozen. The new legislative program ORAL QUESTIONS is aimed at the technique to be applied in determining the assessment. In short, the yardstick and not the Board of Revision - cost to city assessment is frozen. The city, by Its neglect, has for 22 years frozen MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for St . assessment and reassessment in the City of Winnipeg Norbert. on 1957 values. This government, and I am sure, the previous government would never have Intended to bail MR. G. MERCIER: Mr. Speaker, my question is to the the city out of that neglect. Assessment reform must First Minister, with respect to the decision by the Board proceed, but the City of Winnipeg's neglect cannot be of Revision to roll back, to order a tax roll back for piggybacked on assessment reform. They have to clean 69 downtown businessmen, resulting in an increase in their own nest first. expenditures of approximately $5. 1 million to the City of Winnipeg. SOME HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Oh, oh! My question to him, Mr. Speaker, is this: Was the Minister of Municipal Affairs, when he said that the MR.