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Whole Day Download the Hansard Monday Volume 618 12 December 2016 No. 79 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Monday 12 December 2016 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2016 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 479 12 DECEMBER 2016 480 State had from the incoming Administration that they House of Commons remain committed to that and to the principle of collective defence in working with allies in the fight against Daesh? Monday 12 December 2016 Sir Michael Fallon: I shall be hosting the counter-Daesh coalition ministerial meeting in London on Thursday. I The House met at half-past Two o’clock have seen nothing from the incoming Administration’s plans to indicate that they would take any different approach. The United States is leading the coalition PRAYERS work against Daesh. Considerable progress is being made in Iraq and starting to be made in Syria. NATO, [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] too, now has a contribution to make to that. Dan Jarvis: Given the precision airdrop capability of the US and NATO, what conversations has the Secretary Oral Answers to Questions of State had with the incoming US Administration and with other allies on the feasibility of using this specific capability to alleviate the suffering in Aleppo? DEFENCE Sir Michael Fallon: We have continually examined options for getting aid into Aleppo, where people are The Secretary of State was asked— now in the most appalling situation. It is almost impossible to get food or medicines in by airdrop, when the air US Administration: NATO defences are controlled by Russia and the Syrian regime and permissions are not forthcoming. We have looked 1. Jonathan Reynolds (Stalybridge and Hyde) (Lab/ at other options, such as using the airfield—but it is Co-op): What discussions he has had with the incoming outside the control of the moderate opposition—and US Administration on their policy on article 5 of the militarised convoys. We will continue to look at all NATO treaty. [907771] kinds of options, but it is already very, very late for the people of eastern Aleppo. 5. Jeff Smith (Manchester, Withington) (Lab): What discussions he has had with the incoming US Mr Speaker: I call Sir George Howarth. Where is he? Administration on their policy on article 5 of the NATO I call Mr Bob Stewart. treaty. [907775] Bob Stewart (Beckenham) (Con): When I was a young 8. Dan Jarvis (Barnsley Central) (Lab): What discussions officer serving in the British Army of the Rhine and in he has had with the incoming US Administration on West Berlin, I made the assumption that article 5 was a their role in NATO. [907779] trigger: if anyone attacked a NATO nation, every member would automatically go to war. I am wondering whether 9. Mr George Howarth (Knowsley) (Lab): What that is exactly right now or whether we have just a discussions he has had with the incoming US commitment to consult, which would take much longer Administration on their role in NATO. [907780] than an automatic reversion to war. The Secretary of State for Defence (Sir Michael Fallon): President-elect Trump has confirmed the importance of Sir Michael Fallon: Article 5 was last invoked after NATO during telephone calls with the Prime Minister 9/11, when the rest of the alliance pledged to do everything and the NATO Secretary-General. I have written to possible to help the United States following the most General James Mattis to congratulate him on his appalling attack on the twin towers. The answer to my nomination as Secretary of Defence, and I look forward hon. Friend’s question, of course, is that once article 5 to meeting him after his confirmation hearing. is triggered, each member state has to examine its obligations to the alliance as a whole. Before that stage, Jonathan Reynolds: General James Mattis has warned as tensions escalate, I would expect the deployments against appeasing the Russian regime and has said it is that we have prepared, including the very high readiness President Putin’s intention to break NATO apart. Does taskforce, to be enacted. the Secretary of State agree that President-elect Trump would do well to listen to his general and to recommit Mr Julian Brazier (Canterbury) (Con): Does my right the US unequivocally not just to NATO but to article 5? hon. Friend agree that the new Administration will be much more interested in deeds than in words when it Sir Michael Fallon: General Mattis is not only experienced comes to NATO and article 5, and that Britain is setting in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan but has served as a an example for the rest of Europe not just on the 2% but NATO commander. He is well aware of the importance with the troop deployments we plan for Poland and the of the alliance not only to our security but to the United Baltic states? States itself, and it is the unity of the alliance that sends the most powerful message to President Putin. Sir Michael Fallon: I agree with my hon. Friend, and, indeed, we agree with President-elect Trump’s call for Jeff Smith: At the recent Warsaw summit, NATO other European countries to do more. It is true that leaders made a commitment to step up collective action eight of the 28 members have now set in place firm against Daesh. What assurances has the Secretary of plans to reach the 2% figure. We reach 2%, but some 481 Oral Answers 12 DECEMBER 2016 Oral Answers 482 19 members of NATO do not even do 1.5%, and four or for article 5 and for the policies that President-elect five of them do not even do 1%. So European country Trump will pursue when he becomes President? NATO members of NATO, in particular, still have a long way and the defenders of the west need to know the answers to go to fulfil the pledges on which we all agreed at the on that. What are the Government actually saying to Wales summit. President-elect Trump about what policies he should pursue, and what are the answers that the Secretary of Kevin Foster (Torbay) (Con): It was a pleasure to read State is getting? We need a bit more than “confirmed recently of the work that HMS Torbay has been doing the importance of NATO”. in helping to secure the maritime security of our allies. Does the Secretary of State agree, though, that it is vital Mr Speaker: That was a lot of questions to which I that the incoming US Administration in January recognise am sure a dextrous and pithy reply will trip forth from that there is no such thing as a peripheral NATO state, the tongue of the Secretary of State. because an attack on one is an attack on all? Sir Michael Fallon: As I indicated, there have been Sir Michael Fallon: Absolutely; that is the principle of two phone calls with the Prime Minister. The incoming collective defence, and it is the best possible message to President has not yet taken office, and his nominees for send on any further aggression from Russia—we have the different offices have yet to be confirmed, but there seen a huge increase in Russian submarine activity in is a clear understanding between us and the United recent years—or indeed on the threat from terrorism. States Administration of the importance of NATO not We stand together. simply to us here but to the United States itself. Mary Creagh (Wakefield) (Lab): On Friday, the head of MI6, Alex Younger, warned about Russian meddling Fabian Hamilton (Leeds North East) (Lab): My in UK domestic politics. Given the revelations from the colleagues and I on Labour’s defence team recently CIA about the Kremlin’s involvement in influencing returned from a briefing visit to NATO in Brussels and the outcome of the US election, what discussions has to SHAPE—Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers the Secretary of State had with our NATO allies—US Europe—in Mons, where we were told about plans to and European—to tackle this type of hybrid warfare ensure the security of the Baltic states and, of course, interferinginothercountries’democraticelectoralprocesses? about our armed forces’ leading role in helping to defend Estonia. May I press the Secretary of State Sir Michael Fallon: Weare now seeing a rather disturbing further on what assessment he and his Department have pattern of allegations of direct Russian interference in made of the impact that President-elect Trump’s policies areas as far apart as Bulgaria, the referendum in the may have on the ability of NATO to implement article 5, Netherlands, and continuing pressure on the Baltic should that ever be necessary? states. We agreed at Warsaw that the European Union and NATO would come together to co-operate on Sir Michael Fallon: The United States itself will be hybrid warfare, in particular, and to look at the various leading one of the four forward battalions next year. It techniques that were necessary to help us all resist that will be leading the battalion in Poland, and we will be kind of pressure. adding a company of our own troops to that battalion. We, as the hon. Gentleman said, will be leading in Mr Peter Bone (Wellingborough) (Con): For many Estonia, and Canada and Germany will be leading in years in this Chamber, people have been asking why the other two countries. We have absolutely no evidence European countries that are members of NATO are not at the moment that the United States is going to alter its spending 2%, and we are always told that it will happen, position on that; on the contrary, I have been over the but it just does not seem to happen.
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