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Legislative Assembly of Alberta The 30th Legislature Second Session Standing Committee on Alberta’s Economic Future Ministry of Jobs, Economy and Innovation Consideration of Main Estimates Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7 p.m. Transcript No. 30-2-6 Legislative Assembly of Alberta The 30th Legislature Second Session Standing Committee on Alberta’s Economic Future Neudorf, Nathan T., Lethbridge-East (UC), Chair Goehring, Nicole, Edmonton-Castle Downs (NDP), Deputy Chair Armstrong-Homeniuk, Jackie, Fort Saskatchewan-Vegreville (UC) Barnes, Drew, Cypress-Medicine Hat (UC) Bilous, Deron, Edmonton-Beverly-Clareview (NDP) Glasgo, Michaela L., Brooks-Medicine Hat (UC)* Goodridge, Laila, Fort McMurray-Lac La Biche (UC)** Irwin, Janis, Edmonton-Highlands-Norwood (NDP) Reid, Roger W., Livingstone-Macleod (UC) Rosin, Miranda D., Banff-Kananaskis (UC) Rowswell, Garth, Vermilion-Lloydminster-Wainwright (UC) Sweet, Heather, Edmonton-Manning (NDP) Toor, Devinder, Calgary-Falconridge (UC)*** van Dijken, Glenn, Athabasca-Barrhead-Westlock (UC) Walker, Jordan, Sherwood Park (UC) * substitution for Glenn van Dijken ** substitution for Roger Reid *** substitution for Drew Barnes Also in Attendance Pancholi, Rakhi, Edmonton-Whitemud (NDP) Support Staff Shannon Dean, QC Clerk Teri Cherkewich Law Clerk Trafton Koenig Senior Parliamentary Counsel Philip Massolin Clerk Assistant and Director of House Services Sarah Amato Research Officer Melanie Niemi-Bohun Research Officer Nancy Robert Clerk of Journals and Research Officer Warren Huffman Committee Clerk Jody Rempel Committee Clerk Aaron Roth Committee Clerk Rhonda Sorensen Manager of Corporate Communications Jeanette Dotimas Communications Consultant Tracey Sales Communications Consultant Janet Schwegel Director of Parliamentary Programs Amanda LeBlanc Deputy Editor of Alberta Hansard Transcript produced by Alberta Hansard Standing Committee on Alberta’s Economic Future Participant Ministry of Jobs, Economy and Innovation Hon. Doug Schweitzer, QC, Minister March 9, 2021 Alberta’s Economic Future EF-281 7 p.m. Tuesday, March 9, 2021 Mr. Schweitzer: Perfect. From my ministerial office we have my Title: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 ef chief of staff, Jonah Mozeson, as well as my press secretary, Justin [Mr. Neudorf in the chair] Brattinga. With me is my deputy minister, Kate White; assistant deputy minister Sonya Johnston from financial services and senior Ministry of Jobs, Economy and Innovation financial officer. We have Paul LeBane, assistant deputy minister, Consideration of Main Estimates economic and policy strategy; Chris Shandro, ADM for agency governance and program delivery; Jennifer Jabs, ADM for The Chair: Welcome. I would like to call this meeting to order and stakeholder relations; Jeanette Stead, executive director, finance welcome everyone. The committee has under consideration the and corporate services; Iris Dias, director of communications. estimates of the Ministry of Jobs, Economy and Innovation for the We also have here with us – we have many Crown corporations fiscal year ending March 31, 2022. in JEI. We have with us David Goldstein, the CEO of Travel I’d ask that we go around the table and have members introduce Alberta; David Knight-Legg, the CEO of Invest Alberta themselves for the record. My name is Nathan Neudorf, the MLA Corporation; Laura Kilcrease, the CEO of Alberta Innovates; and for Lethbridge-East and the chair of this committee. We will begin, Maureen Lomas, vice-president of finance at Alberta Innovates. We starting to my right. also have Kristina Williams from the Alberta Enterprise Corporation. Did I miss anybody? Ms Goehring: Good evening. My name is Nicole Goehring. I am the MLA for Edmonton-Castle Downs and the deputy chair. The Chair: Thank you, Minister. I would like to note the following substitutions for the record: Ms Goodridge: Good morning – or no. It’s not morning. It’s Mr. Toor for Mr. Barnes, Ms Goodridge for Mr. Reid, and Ms afternoon. Leila Goodridge, MLA for Fort McMurray-Lac La Glasgo for Mr. van Dijken. Biche. Before we begin, I would note that in accordance with the recommendations from the chief medical officer of health attendees Ms Armstrong-Homeniuk: Good evening. Jackie Armstrong- at today’s meeting are advised to leave the appropriate distance Homeniuk, MLA, Fort Saskatchewan-Vegreville. between themselves and other meeting participants. Ms Glasgo: Michaela Glasgo, MLA, Brooks-Medicine Hat. In addition, as indicated in the February 25, 2021, memo from the hon. Speaker Cooper, I would remind everyone of committee Ms Rosin: Miranda Rosin, MLA for Banff-Kananaskis. room protocols in line with health guidelines, which require members to wear masks in committee rooms and while seated Mr. Toor: Good evening. MLA Devinder Toor, Calgary- except when speaking, at which time they may choose not to wear Falconridge. a face covering. A few housekeeping items to address before we turn to the Mr. Bilous: Good evening. Deron Bilous, MLA, Edmonton- business at hand. Please note that the microphones are operated by Beverly-Clareview. Hansard staff. Committee proceedings are being live streamed on the Internet and broadcast on Alberta Assembly TV. The audio- and Ms Pancholi: Good evening. Rakhi Pancholi, MLA, Edmonton- videostream and transcripts of meetings can be accessed via the Whitemud. Legislative Assembly website. Those participating virtually are asked to turn on their camera while speaking and to please mute Thank you very much. The Chair: their microphone when not speaking. To be placed on the speakers Now we’ll go to the members participating virtually. When I call list, virtual participants should e-mail or send a message in the your name, please introduce yourself for the record. Mr. Rowswell. group chat to the committee clerk, and members in the room are asked to please wave or otherwise signal to the chair. Please set Mr. Rowswell: Garth Rowswell, MLA, Vermilion-Lloydminster- your cellphones and other devices to silent for the duration of the Wainwright. Thanks. meeting. The Chair: Mr. Walker. I’m just going to review speaking rotation and time limits for the record. Hon. members, the standing orders set out the process for Mr. Walker: Good evening. Jordan Walker, MLA, Sherwood consideration of the main estimates. A total of three hours have Park. been scheduled for consideration of the estimates for the Ministry of Jobs, Economy and Innovation. Standing Order 59.01(6) The Chair: Due to the current landscape we are in, all ministry staff establishes the speaking rotation and speaking times. In brief, the will be participating in the estimates debate virtually. Minister, minister will have 10 minutes to address the committee. At the please introduce yourself, and when your officials go to the podium conclusion of his comments a 60-minute speaking block for the to speak, please have them introduce themselves at that time for the Official Opposition begins, followed by a 20-minute speaking record. Thank you. block for any independent members, if there are any, and then a 20- Minister. minute speaking block for the government caucus. Individuals may only speak for up to 10 minutes at a time, but time may be combined Mr. Schweitzer: Perfect. I just want to say a thank you to with the member and the minister. The rotation of speaking time everybody for being here tonight. I’m looking forward to our will then follow the same rotation of the Official Opposition, discussion. I’m the Minister of Jobs, Economy and Innovation, independent members, and the government caucus, with individual Doug Schweitzer, and the MLA for Calgary-Elbow. Would you like speaking times set to five minutes for both ministry and member. me to introduce my ministerial staff and the department officials These times may be combined, making it a 10-minute block. One here with me today? final note. Please remember that discussion should flow through the chair at all times regardless of whether or not speaking times are The Chair: Sure. Please go ahead. combined. If members have any questions regarding speaking times EF-282 Alberta’s Economic Future March 9, 2021 or the rotation, please feel free to send an e-mail or message to the it came to spending. We have to bring that spending down into line, committee clerk about the process. and this budget has us on a trajectory to bring our spending down With the concurrence of the committee I will call a five-minute to that national average with respect to the big provinces in Canada, break near the midpoint of the meeting. However, the three-hour the big four. The next piece around efficient government is around clock will continue to run. Does anyone oppose having a mid- red tape reduction and the goal of reducing red tape by a third. Early meeting break? Hearing none, we will co-ordinate that time with estimates by the red tape team are that we’ve saved businesses the other committee to make sure that we don’t all end up breaking about half a billion dollars already, to date, through those efforts, at the same time. and that’s encouraging. That’s another key part of our efficient Ministry officials, at the direction of the minister, may address government strategy. the committee. Ministry officials are asked to please introduce The third pillar is around talent, so working in collaboration to themselves for the record prior to commenting. Space permitting, make sure we have the talent for the jobs of today and tomorrow opposition caucus staff may sit, appropriately distanced, at the table and making sure we have retraining opportunities. A lot of those are to assist their members; however, members have priority to sit at in other departments, but it gives you context for the recovery plan. the table at all times. That’s the macro strategy. Those are the ones that help make sure If debate is exhausted prior to the three hours, the ministry’s that we have the best economic environment to attract jobs and estimates are deemed to have been considered for the time allotted growth.