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Seanad Éireann Vol. 214 Tuesday, No. 15 24 April 2012 DÍOSPÓIREACHTAÍ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES SEANAD ÉIREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIÚIL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Dé Máirt, 24 Aibreán 2012. Business of Seanad ………………………………915 Order of Business …………………………………916 An Bille um an Tríochadú Leasú ar an mBunreacht (An Conradh ar Chobhsaíocht, ar Chomhordú agus ar Rialachas san Aontas Eacnamaíoch agus Airgeadaíochta) 2012: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha Thirtieth Amendment of the Constitution (Treaty on Stability, Coordination and Governance in the Economic and Monetary Union) Bill 2012: Committee and Remaining Stages ……………930 Ráiteas faoi Eolas do Vótálaithe: Tairiscint Statement for Information of Voters: Motion ………………………965 Report of Tribunal of Inquiry into Certain Planning Matters and Payments: Statements … … … 967 Adjournment Matters Industrial Disputes ………………………………1004 Third Level Scholarship Schemes …………………………1006 Services for People with Disabilities…………………………1009 SEANAD ÉIREANN ———— Dé Máirt, 24 Aibreán 2012. Tuesday, 24 April 2012. ———— Chuaigh an Cathaoirleach i gceannas ar 10.30 a.m. ———— Machnamh agus Paidir. Reflection and Prayer. ———— Business of Seanad An Cathaoirleach: I have received notice from Senator Michael D’Arcy that, on the motion for the Adjournment of the House today, he proposes to raise the following matter: The need for the Minister for Education and Skills to outline his views on the reduction in the home-school liaison allocation to Riverchapel national school, Gorey, County Wexford. I have also received notice from Senator Trevor Ó Clochartaigh of the following matter: Go ndéanfaidh an tAire Oideachas agus Scileanna ráiteas maidir le todhchaí na scéime- anna scoláireachta tríú leibhéal neamhtheoranta agus teoranta ón nGaeltacht, Seachtain na Cásca agus Donagh O’Malley a bhí ann go dtí seo; cén líon acu a bhronntar go bliantúil, cén luach atá ag baint leo agus cén bhuiséad a chuirtear ar fáil dóibh gach bliain. I have also received notice from Senator Thomas Byrne of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation to discuss his response to the Irish Cement industrial dispute in Meath and Limerick. I have also received notice from Senator Michael Comiskey of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Health to allocate emergency funding to Cregg House in Sligo which provides care, education and support for 214 people from the north-western region, given that efforts to resolve funding issues have been unsuccessful. I have also received notice from Senator David Cullinane of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Social Protection to review the issue of supports for people who are unemployed in accessing third level education, with particular reference to the eligi- bility criteria for the ICT skills programme 2012 and the requirement to be unemployed for six months or more to qualify for social welfare payments. I have also received notice from Senator Brian Ó Domhnaill of the following matter: The need for the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government to provide capital funding for upgrading works on the St. Johnston sewerage scheme. 915 Order of 24 April 2012. Business. [An Cathaoirleach.] I regard the matters raised by the Senators as suitable for discussion on the Adjournment. I have selected the matters raised by Senators Michael D’Arcy, Trevor Ó Clochartaigh, Thomas Byrne and Michael Comiskey and they will be taken at the conclusion of business. Senator Cullinane may give notice on another day of the matter he wishes to raise. I regret that I had to rule out of order the matter raised by Senator Ó Domhnaill because the relevant Minister has no responsibility in the area. It is a matter for Donegal County Council. Order of Business Senator Maurice Cummins: The Order of Business is No. 1, Thirtieth Amendment of the Constitution (Treaty on Stability, Coordination and Governance in the Economic and Monet- ary Union) Bill 2012: Committee and Remaining Stages, to be taken at the conclusion of the Order of Business and to conclude no later than 3 p.m., if not previously concluded; No. 2, motion pursuant to section 23 of the Referendum Act 1994, concerning a statement for the information of voters, to be taken, without debate — although I am sure it can, if necessary, be discussed during the debate on the Bill — on the conclusion of No. 1; and No. 3, statements on the report of the Tribunal of Inquiry into Certain Planning Matters and Payments, to be taken at 3 p.m. and to conclude no later than 6 p.m., with the contributions of group spokes- persons not to exceed ten minutes, those of all other Senators not to exceed six minutes and the Minister to be called on to reply no later than 5.50 p.m. Senator Darragh O’Brien: I wish to inquire whether the Leader has an update in respect of the report of the working group on pyrite. I welcome his indication yesterday that the House will engage in a debate on this report and also on building control issues relating to Dublin and other areas throughout the country. Will the Government support the call from the residents of Priory Hall to the effect that when he meets representatives from the Irish Banking Federation later in the week, the Taoiseach should insist that the federation and the relevant mortgage lenders take part in the conciliation process? As stated yesterday, I welcome the fact that such a process is taking place. However, the involvement of all stakeholders, particularly the banks, is required. If the Leader would convey my message in this regard to the Taoiseach I would be very grateful. As each day passes, it is incumbent on the House to engage in a full and proper debate on the Government’s position with regard to water charges. I indicated yesterday that the problems in this regard follow on from those relating to the debacles involving both the septic tank and the household charge. The Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Deputy Varadkar, has confirmed what people in Dublin already knew, namely, that up to 39% of homes in the capital and the surrounding county are not suitable for metering and that a flat charge will, therefore, apply. This means that certain people will not be obliged to pay for the water they use. Figures released in recent days show that the Government has spent over €7 million on obtaining policy advice from private consultants. The Minister for the Environment, Com- munity and Local Government, Deputy Hogan, and his Department paid Pricewaterhouse- Coopers, PwC, over €130,000 for advice on how to establish Irish Water. PwC clearly stated that the latter should be a separate State entity which should not be held under semi-State control. When it received this advice, the Government effectively threw it in the bin along with the €130,000 paid for it. The Minister for Health, Deputy James Reilly, paid Goodbody Econ- omic Consultants €300,000 to produce a report on how to go about selling the VHI and then promptly decided to discard the advice offered. These figures represent only a small proportion of the €7 million spent overall. The latter amount does not include the money Government Ministers are paying to private spin doctors. I will not even refer to the breach in salary caps 916 Order of 24 April 2012. Business. which the Government continues to condone. The money paid to the private spin doctors to whom I refer has not really been well spent, particularly when one considers their performance, and that of the Government, in the past three to four weeks. If I was a member of the Govern- ment, I would seek to obtain assistance from others in the context of matters relating to communications. I wish to table an amendment to the Order of Business to the effect that the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Hogan, come before the House to explain the position with regard to water metering and the proposed property tax and the figures that are being bandied about in respect of both. There is total confusion with regard to water charges and different messages are being issued by different Ministers and Departments each day. The only contributor to the debate on water charges from the Labour Party has been the Tánaiste, who commented on the Sunday before last that a decision had not been made when, in effect, it had been made. Obviously, there is a drive on the part of Fine Gael to impose these charges on people. As already stated, over one third of people are not going to be in a position to have meters in their homes. The Government is to spend over €1 billion putting a system of water metering in place but it does not really have a clue as to how it is going to proceed. It is important, therefore, the Minister, Deputy Hogan, should come before the House today to explain the position and to provide clarity in respect of this matter. If my amendment to the Order of Business is accepted, perhaps Deputy Hogan, as the senior line Minister, might be able to provide clarity once and for all. Senator Ivana Bacik: Senator Darragh O’Brien raised the issue of water charges. I have gone on record in the House previously — I am happy to do so again — to indicate that I am very much in favour of such charges. It is important to ensure sustainable use of this scarce resource. As has been stated previously, so much rain falls in Ireland that it is difficult to believe it is a scarce resource. It is, therefore, important to use water in a sustainable way and we must encourage people to do so.
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