http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/third/mfg.html Third Party Lens Manufacturers by Robert Monaghan Related Local Links: Cautionary Tale on Fitting a Tokina Lens to a Maxxum (Peter Van Eyk) Samigon Lenses Related Links: About Dr. Optiks Camera Mount Adapter FAQ (interchangeable mounts) Canon Camera Museum Chinon 35mm Pages History Kalimar Kalimex 35mm Lenses (post-soviet Ukraine/Czech) Kalimex (Kiev) My View on Mfgers (Klaus Schroiff) Corp. History Optical Glass Manufacturers Promaster History Samyang/Phoenix Short History of Japanese Lenses Sicor Optics Sigma Lens Site [02/00] Sigma Lenses Soligor T2 Lenses (for Miranda) [11/2002] Soligor Lenses [11/2002] Spiratone History Tokina Tokina (UK) Vivitar Third Party Lens Makers U.S. Importer/Distributors Name on Lens Manufacturers (country) Acetar Ace Optical Co. Ltd. (Japan) Actinar Aetna Optix Inc. Adorama Camera Co. Adorama (numerous mfgers) Alto Yamasaki Optical Co. Ltd. (Japan) Angenieux Angenieux Corp. (French) Aragon Photo Clearing Inc. Asanuma Tokina Optical Co. Ltd. (Japan) Bausch and Lomb Inc. Baltar (numerous mfgers) Bushnell Bausch and Lomb Inc. (numerous mfgers) Cambron Cambridge Camera Exchange Inc. Cimko Cima Kogaku Corp. Ltd. (Japan) Coligon Aetna Optix Inc. Congo Yamasaki Optical Co. Ltd. (Japan) CPC Combined Products Corp. CPO Century Precision Optics (USA) Cosina Inc./Samyang Corp. (Korea) Dejur Photo International Inc. Eitar Reeves Photographic Inc. Enna Europhot Inc. Eyemik Mitake Optical Co. Ltd. (Japan) Hi-Lux Nissin Koki Co. Ltd. (Japan) Kenlock Kenlock Corp. (Japan) Kiev/USA Kiev Arsenal (Ukraine) Kalimex s.r.o. (Czech) Kilfit Heinz Kilfit Munchen Corp. (West ?) Kimunor Kimura Seimitsu Kogyo Co. Ltd.(Japan) Kiron Kino Precision Industries Ltd. (Japan) Kowanon Kawakami Seiki Seisakusho Ltd (Japan) Kyvyx Corp. Komura Komura Lens Mfg. Ltd. (Japan) Komuranon Komura Lens Mfg. Ltd. (Japan) Kowa Kowa Co. Ltd. (Japan) Lentar Lenco Products Inc. Cima America Inc. Makina Cima Kogaku Co. Ltd. (Japan) Makinon Makina Optical Co. Ltd.(Japan) Novoflex Aetna Optix Inc. Omnitar Birns and Sawyer Inc. Osawa Osawa Optical Company (Japan) Ozunon Ozone Optical Co. Ltd. (Japan) Panagor Kino Precision Industries Inc. (Japan) Phoenix Samyang Corp. (Korea) Prinz Amcam International Inc. Promaster Tamron (in AF..*) Promura Nissin Kok i Co. Ltd. (Japan) Quantaray Ritz Camera Inc. Rokunar Aetna Optix Inc. Samyang Samyang Corp. (Korea) Samigon Argraph Inc. Sankor Sanko Optical Co. Ltd. (Japan) Seimar Seimax Corp. (Japan) Seimax Seimax Corp. (Japan) Sigma Sigma Corp. (Japan) Sonnagar Wall Street Camera Inc. AIC International Inc. Soligor Soligor Corp. (Japan) Spiratone Co. Spiratone (numerous mfgers) Star-D Uniphot-Levit Corp. Sun Sun Lens Inc. (Japan) Tamron/USA Tamron Tamron Co. Ltd. (Japan) Tamuron Tamuron Co. Ltd. (Japan) Tele-Megor Meyer Go(e)rlitz Co. (East Germany) Telemore Komura Lens Mfg. Ltd. (Japan) Telesor Masel Supply Inc. Tokina Tokina Co. Ltd. (Japan) Vivitar Corp. Vivitar (numerous mfgers) Willoughby Willoughby -Peerless Corp. Olympus Optical Co. Ltd. (Japan) Zykkor Pacemark Corp. These Japanese manufacturers would generally be considered to be OEMs: Source: pp.12-4, The Evolution of the Japanese Camera , Philip L. Condax et. al. , 1984. Japanese Manufacturers Asahi Optical Company, Limited () Asahi Kogaku Kogyo K.K. Canon Incorporated Kabushiki Kaisha Inc. Sanshin Seisakusho Fuji Photo Film Company, Limited Fuji Shashin Film K.K. Camera Company Konishiroku Shashin Kogyo K.K. Minolta Camera Company, Limited Chiyoda Kogaku K.K. Nikon Camera Company Nihon Kogaku Kogyo K.K. Olympus Optical Company Limited Olympus Kogaku Kogyo K.K. Petri Camera Company Petri Camera K.K. Tokyo Optical Company, Limited () Tokyo Kogaku Kikai K.K. Tomioka Optical Company Limited ( lenses) Here is a listing of some 22 Japanese third party lenses makers active in Japan in 1984 (not an exhaustive listing, just the better known ones...) Source: P.15, The Evolution of the Japanese Camera , Philip L. Condax et. al., 1984. Japanese Third Party Lens Makers (1984) Brand Name Company Name Alto Yamasaki Optical Co. Ltd. Acetar Ace Optical Co. Ltd. Cimko Cima Kogaku Co. Ltd. Congo Yamasaki Optical Co. Ltd. Eyemik Mitake Optical Co. Ltd. Hi-Lux Nissin Kok i Co. Ltd. Kawanon Kawakami Seiki Seisakusho Ltd. Kenlock Kenlock Corporation Kimunor Kimura Seimitsu Kogyo Co. Ltd. Kiron Kino Precision Industries Ltd. Kowa Kowa Co. Ltd. Makinon Makina Optical Co. Ltd. Ozunon Ozone Optical Co. Ltd. Panagor Kino Precision Industries Ltd. Promura Nissin Koki Co. Ltd. Sankor Sanko Optical Co. Ltd. Seimar Seimax Corp. Seimax Seimax Corp. Sigma Sigma Corp. Sun Sun Lens Inc. Tamuron Tamuron Co. Ltd. Tokina Tokina Optical Co. Ltd. --- Sankeisha and Co. Ltd. --- Nakadai Kogaku Co. Ltd. --- Komine Co. Ltd. Who's Who: OEMs, Third Party Lens Makers, Importers Let's start by reviewing who's who in lens making, focusing on 35mm lenses. Camera makers such as Canon and Nikon make their own lenses, in their own factories, using their own designs and quality control procedures. These lens manufacturers are OEMs (original equipment manufacturers). The lenses which pass their rigorous inspections are stamped with their own maker's name. Those OEM lenses that fail inspection are destroyed or remanufactured (reworked), but they are not sold under anybody else's name or label. I can't rule out the possibility that an OEM could lease or use a third party lens manufacturing line to build their lenses. But if they did, they would certainly have to meet their OEM lens specifications too. They would be branded and sold as Nikon or Canon or whatever lenses, and would be. But it makes no sense for Nikon to make a lens to its specifications and then sell it for a lot less under another brand name. Third party lens makers include such manufacturers as Tokina, Tamron, Sigma, and Samyang. These companies make and design lenses for a variety of camera mounts and bodies. A few of these companies have recently branched out to build camera bodies (Sigma, Samyang). But their main focus is still on lenses. Their hope is that you will be attracted to their lenses for their features and low costs, rather than the OEM's own lens offerings. Importers obviously import these third party lenses into the U.S., but they sometimes add to the name game confusion by adding their own trademark or brand name on their imported lenses. So many wide angle lenses made by Sigma were imported by Spiratone Inc. in the 1970s. They were labeled as Accura or Spiratone brand name lenses. Cambridge Camera Exchange uses the Cambron trademark for its imported lenses (e.g., Vivitar 19mm). Similarly, Quantaray is Ritz Camera's import trademark under which its imported lenses are imported and sold. Brand Names and Branding Without research, you can't be sure if the particular import branded lens is made by Sigma, or Tokina, or some other entity. In many cases, the same lens might be made by several different third party makers over the life of production. However, it is also possible for a lens maker (e.g., Vivitar) to make a lens to a slightly different specification to meet an importer's request. So while your research and mine might suggest that these variously branded lenses are the same lens (e.g., 19mm f3.8), you can't be 100% certain they are optically or mechanically identical. Recently, some third party lens makers have shifted or hollowed out lens making to factories in , Malaysia, and other Asian countries with low labor rates. Even the OEMs such as Nikon are now assembling some of their and lenses in China and elsewhere. Again, where the lens is made and by whom matters far less than the quality standards both optically and mechanically to which that lens was built. For various reasons, third party manufacturers also try to establish a brand name. The Korean lens maker Samyang has used the Phoenix brand and trademark for some of its lenses imported and sold in the U.S. The same lenses have reportedly been sold under the Samyang, Phoenix, Cosina, and Vivitar names and trademarks. You may only find this out by reading the fine print in a magazine review of the lens (e.g., reviews by Popular Photography ). Tokina Optical Corp. tested the U.S. market under the Asanuma brand name, then switched to using its own name. Vivitar provided many optics for Hanimex brand cameras. Samyang is developing the Phoenix brand name in the U.S. market today. Brands are important to consumers. But it is easier to introduce a new high- end brand name than to remake an older brand's consumer image (cf. Vivitar Series I below). Vivitar is an interesting example of how flexible third party lens makers can be. Vivitar originally made and imported a series of lenses. They poured money into designing and making a highest possible optical quality lens line in the mid-1970s. Vivitar gained some fame for their higher quality Series I lenses in the 1970s and 1980s, especially among the small but picky market of professional users. The company reportedly also selected lenses made by other third party lens makers in Japan. Vivitar imported these lenses under its Vivitar and other importer's lens brand names as a lower tier of consumer oriented lenses. More recently, Vivitar has reportedly focused on lens design (a high value added approach), while outsourcing actual lens construction (e.g., to lesser known third party manufacturer's factories in Japan and China). Personally, I find Vivitar's eclectic approach to provide a challenge in identifying some of the real gems in their earlier lens lineups. While the later Series I lenses could be quite good, the first Series I lenses were often unique optics never duplicated by subsequent designers (e.g., 135mm f/2.3, 28mm f/1.9). In some cases, you may be able to get a Samyang wide angle imported under the Phoenix name for less than the same lens under the Samyang or Vivitar or Cosina brand names. In other cases, you have to be careful that you are getting a top quality Vivitar lens (typically their Series I line), rather than an upgraded consumer lens. How can you recognize some of their better lens offerings? A major hint is that their faster lenses (e.g., 200mm f/3, 28mm f/1.9, and solid 600mm and 800mm solid cat mirror lenses) were professional photographer market lenses. In the case of the latter two solid catadioptic mirror lenses, these Vivitar mirror lenses were actually made by telescope maker Perkin Elmer Inc. (as in NASA space telescope). While a generic Vivitar consumer zoom may be a modest performer optically, a similar Vivitar zoom marked Series I, their highest quality trademark, might be a high or even top quality optic. Pushing the Specs To make lens identification even more challenging, some importers (e.g., Cambron) push the specs. For example, a lens might test as a 19mm f3.8 +/- 10%. The importer will advertise these lenses as being a 19mm f3.5 lenses, at the best side of the range. You think they must have a better faster lens than what everybody else is advertising. But they just have pushed the lens specs in their ads. (see Ultra Wide Angle Lenses for more examples) Similarly, an ultra-wide angle zoom lens is listed as 17-28mm lens, when it is really a 17.92mm to 24.8mm range zoom. That's really 18-25mm in my book, but 17-28mm sounds a lot more impressive. My point here is that it can be quite difficult to identify a given lens as being the same as some other one under a different name. So while I suspect that the 19mm f3.8 Vivitar for circa $100+ US is the same lens that Cambridge Camera Exchange is selling for $90+ US as their 19mm f3.5 Cambron, I can't prove it in court. OEMs Get Into the Action I should also add that the OEMs haven't given up competing with these third party lens makers. For example, Nikon has come out with their Series E lenses. These lenses are excellent optically, with very good sharpness and color correction. However, they use lower cost manufacturing techniques such as internal plastic parts and single coated lens elements rather than the more costly all-metal lens barrels and multi- coated lens coatings. (See OEMs Low Cost Lens Lines ) On a related point, you will find that the OEMs such as Canon and Nikon are competing aggressively for the mass-market lenses such as the popular 80-210mm zooms. Their prices may be very much more competitive with the third party manufacturers on these consumer lenses. Typically, their build quality and optical quality will be very similar to that of the third party manufacturers near the same price point. Despite the rumors, these lenses are almost certainly made by or under the quality control inspection of the OEMs (e.g., Nikon). It is rather unlikely that some third party lens offering is being bought and the Nikon label simply slapped on. If you were Nikon or Canon, would you want to trust your reputation with lenses produced by a competitor? The OEMs may accept a lower profit margin on these high volume lenses. They also use advanced technology and automated factories to lower costs for these large production run lenses. The farther you get from these mass-market consumer lens entries, the more professional the lens is in speed and quality of build. For these OEM professional class lenses, the profit markups and costs diverge greatly from the consumer mass-market lenses they choose to make to compete against third party lens makers. In a study of ultrawide lens prices , we have seen OEM lenses (Nikon) are three times the cost of similar speed and third party lenses of high optical and build quality. This observation brings us full circle to the key point about third party lenses. You can often save a lot of money if you can find a third party lens which meets your needs both optically and mechanically. Increasingly, third party lens makers are innovating new lenses which have exciting and unique features not available in some OEM lineups too. This competition from third party sources is healthy for the industry, and provides more choices and better optics to us as 35mm camera users. You can compare the vigorous 35mm third party lens market with the much more limited third party lens offerings . Lacking such competition, many medium format optics are much older designs (many from the 1940s!) at often astronomical prices. So be thankful that you will benefit from the existence of 35mm third party lens makers, whether you stick to buying OEM lenses or put some of these third party optics on your own camera! Current Third Party Manufacturers The big three third party lens manufacturers today are Tamron, Tokina, and Sigma (in alphabetical order). Tamron and Tokina have dual track lens lines, with a higher priced professional series (SP, ATX) and lower priced consumer models. Sigma has a more diverse line, with a mixture of consumer and higher cost models. Other manufacturers and importers such as Samyang/Phoenix (Cosina) and Vivitar also have mixes of low and mid-range consumer and a few higher end lenses too. In general, the more expensive and higher quality lenses may also use special glass formulae, known as apochromatic or low-dispersion glasses. These special glasses bend all three primary colors (red, green, blue) to the same point, unlike more typical achromatic (two color) glass elements used in less expensive lenses. These special glasses replace very expensive (and somewhat delicate) fluorite crystal elements, e.g., as used by Canon in their early apochromatic lens designs. Phew! Now you know why they use all these abbreviations! Manufacture Abbreviatio Term r n Sigma.. APO Apochromatic Tamron LD Low-dispersion Tokina SD Super-low dispersion Tokina HLD High-refractive low dispersion You will also be dealing with more recent lenses when you see an internal focusing (IF) lens. This design makes focusing faster. Since the front of the lens doesn't rotate, you also don't have to keep re-setting your polarizer or other filter positions too. Finally, faster lens speed (larger ) are also a tip-off that the lens was probably a higher priced professional model. Typically, lens prices tend to double or even triple as you buy an extra stop of speed (e.g., going from f/4 to f/2.8). Constant aperture in a zoom is also expensive, and a sign of more costly design too. A constant aperture telephoto zoom has to be a lot larger physically at the far end of the telephoto range to maintain the same f/stop. A variable aperture tele-zoom (e.g., f/4 to f/5.6) is cheaper to make and design, but can become really slow in the mid and far-telephoto zoom ranges. The Big Three - Tamron, Tokina, Sigma Tamron The top Tamron lenses are usually indicated by the SP for super performance in their lens line. Many Tamron lenses also feature interchangeable mounts . In fact, the T in T-mounts stands for Tamron (or Taisei, the Japanese company's name). Besides the venerable T-mount, Tamron helped develop the T-2 and T-4 interchangeable lens mounts. The T-4 interchangeable mount was also popular in the Vivitar version known as TX interchangeable mounts . Tamron's efforts continued with the early and somewhat clunky adaptamatic mounts, which led to the more popular adaptall and adaptall-2 current interchangeable mounts. So one of the big attractions to Tamron lens offerings is the possibility of getting an interchangeable mount version of their lenses for use on many different camera brands. When you see a used Tamron lens in the wrong , it is worth determining if you can swap out the lens mount for your camera brand. Tokina Tokina Optical Corp. has a mix of lens designs in both consumer and high-end models. Their most expensive and best lenses earn their ATX lens designation, followed by their mid-line SMZ and SZX series, and then their lower end consumer EMZ and ELZ models. Tokina's top lenses use special low dispersion glass (SD and HLD). They also make lenses for various mounts, including Nikon, Canon (EOS), Minolta, and Pentax. Tokina began importing lenses into the U.S. market under the Asanuma brand name in the mid-1970s, but then switched to developing their own corporate Tokina brand recognition. Sigma Sigma is one of the earliest third party lens makers. They earned their initial fame with a variety of low-cost wide angle lenses. These wide and ultra-wide angle lenses were imported under a variety of importer names (e.g., Accura, Spiratone). Sigma has since developed a full line of prime and zoom lenses. Their best lenses have been labeled XQ. Many Sigma XQ lenses were made with their apochromatic glasses, and so also receive their APO designation. While Sigma has some very fine current lenses, you will find a number of vociferous former owners online who denigrate some mechanical faults with one or more past Sigma lenses. The SIGnificant Malfunctions site lists both pro and con reports (site dropped in 3/2001). Sigma Lens Tests from Pop. Photography provides a rather better view of Sigma. My impression is that most of the real quality problems were confined to a few models in particular. Recently, Sigma seems to be making major efforts to improve their service quality and customer satisfaction levels. But like Rodney Dangerfield, Sigma lenses just can't get the respect that they want and deserve. Again, this consumer and dealer mis-perception can translate into some real buys if you find the right lens at a great price. The Other Manufacturers The remaining third party lens manufacturers are much less well known than the top three. The situation is further confused since the independent manufacturers often work for each other, both for performing design and production tasks. Samyang Samyang is a Korean third party lens maker whose lenses are reportedly distributed under both their own name and various importer names (Phoenix, Cosina, Vivitar). Their specialty is cutting costs by innovative redesign and reductionist re-engineering, using one less lens element here and a cheaper optical glass there. These savings add up quickly, producing some low-cost lenses for the mid-range consumer market. Some of their most popular lenses are their super-wide prime lenses and especially super-wide consumer zooms. They also have some great buys in long telephoto lenses too. The Cosina online site and #800 have recently (10/98) been disconnected in the U.S., so expect some close-outs under that brand! Vivitar Vivitar started out producing accessories such as electronic units, and then got into the business of importing, designing, and manufacturing lenses. They are reportedly focusing their current efforts on value- added lens designing, preferring to out-source lower value-added manufacturing to other third party lens makers where they can. Vivitar is best known for its cult classic Series I lenses from the late 1970s and 1980s. Vivitar took a rather innovative approach to achieve top optical quality, regardless of the loss of convenience and weight of these lenses. A typical example is the Series I 90-180mm f/4.5 VMC flat-field macro lens from 1978 which cost $400+ (equivalent to over $1,000 in current 1998 dollarettes). This lens is huge (6+ inches), heavy (2.3 lbs), and has a very limited 2:1 zoom range. A similarly priced Series I 35-85mm f/2.8 zoom used a vari-focal design, as well as being rugged, heavy (26oz.), and optically excellent for its time period (also 1978). In this case, you sacrifice the convenience of a true zoom for a vari-focal, meaning you have to refocus the lens after each shift in focal length. Vivitar also came out with some odd-ball f/stop fast and sharp Series I prime lenses such as the 135mm f/2.3 ($220 in 1977) and 28mm f/1.9 ($300+ in 1978). Sadly, these expensive lens did not catch on with the public, and were a marketing disaster. The later Series I lenses switched to a less rugged construction and more normal f/stop and cost ranges, while still providing an additional step up in optical quality. Many of these earlier, high quality Vivitar Series I lenses are still respectable optical performers even against today's tough third party lens competition. Since the Vivitar name is usually associated with lower price bracket consumer zooms, you can often pick up one of these gems as a bargain. See cult lenses page for more details. Unfortunately, Vivitar has used its brand on not only its own lens designs, but also on lenses designed and made by other third party manufacturers. Presumably, these lenses were made to Vivitar's specs. But low price point is an obvious major factor in many of these later designs. They also provided lenses to importer's specifications under the importer's brand names too. Conversely, they have relabeled and resold lenses produced by Samyang under their brand name recently too. Kiron Kiron was the third party lens line of Kino Precision Optical Corp. of Japan. Kino Precision Optical actually was a behind-the-scenes manufacturer for other third party lens makers and importers such as Vivitar. Kiron came out with their own lens series and designs, and imported them directly into the U.S. and elsewhere during the 1980s. I consider Kiron lenses to be great value for the money. These Kiron lenses are later designs than the original Vivitar Series I lenses, without using quirky odd-f/stops or varifocal zoom designs. I have both a 28-210mm Kiron zoom and a 28-210mm Vivitar zoom from that mid-80's period. My Kiron 28-210mm zoom is significantly sharper and better, as well as slightly heavier and longer than my Vivitar zoom. Besides a number of zooms, they also made some f/2 24mm and 28mm lenses, as well as a 105mm f/2.8 macro lens. To me, this observation suggests that Kino Precision Optical Inc. did their own designs and so may have improved on the Vivitar's design. I suspect they wanted to establish their own name's identity as a higher quality brand during their initial entry into the major U.S. market. Because Kiron only distributed a modest number of lens models and numbers, they are not well known in the U.S. under their own name. But many of their lenses are on lots of cameras under other brand names, including Vivitar. So you can often find these under-valued Kiron lenses at pretty attractive prices too. Others There are a number of other third party lens makers who aren't covered above. These makers range from the venerable French originators of the retrofocus lens design, Angenieux - to the various U.S. optical niche manufacturers. Besides telescopes (B&L, Bushnell, Coulter, Meade, Questar), you can also buy some specialty telephoto lenses by Century Precision Corp. (CPC) in the U.S. Other manufacturers such as Novoflex and Dr. Optik in Europe have long supplied specialty third party lenses (and lens mount adapters in the case of Dr. Optik). Finally, Kalimex in Kiev (Ukraine) supplies some very innovative third party lenses, including a 35mm Nikon mount shift lens ($280 US). These Kiev lenses represent the culmination of the post-Soviet empire's optical manufacturing efforts. Their earlier MTO sniper telephoto lenses are still highly regarded by many users.

Samigon Lenses

Modern Photography , Jan. 1972, p. 102 Samigon Lens - Low Cost* Auto Diaphragm Prime Optics Samigon 35mm f/2.8 135mm f/2.8 300mm f/5 f/stops center edge center edge center edge 2.8 excellent acceptable acceptable acceptable 4 excellent acceptable very good acceptable very good excellent 5.6 excellent acceptable very good acceptable excellent very good 8 excellent acceptable very good acceptable excellent excellent 11 excellent acceptable very good good acceptable good 16 very good acceptable excellent good acceptable good 22 good acceptable very good acceptable acceptable acceptable Someone asked about Samigon lenses, which were popular in the 1970s as a low cost series of prime lenses (35mm $62, 135mm f/2.8 $69, and 300mm f/5 $145). The 35mm does surprisingly well in central resolution for a low cost optic, as does the 135mm. But most of us today would be more interested in the 300mm f/5, which is a good bit faster than the lower cost f/5.6 lenses often found, if slower than the prosumer 300mm f/4.5 and f/4 lenses out there. The odd part about the Samigon 300mm lens is how it is optimized for wide open use, at f/5 (max. opening) through f/8, but but falls off after that. This pattern is what you would want in a low cost 300mm, rather than the more usual improvements with stopping down to f/11 and f/16. You might also like the fact that the f/5 lens speed is still pretty fast, and usable wide open per the ratings, but less than the usual 300mm f/4 or f/4.5 pro-sumer lens speed. This parameter means the lens probably uses smaller filters, and is substantially lighter than its heavier cousins. My point here is that you can find some interesting candidates for further study by reviewing sample lens test data as we have above. Because this lens is not a big name brand, you can possibly get quite a bargain. Very often, the more expensive and better quality lenses in "no-name" brands or import labels can be good buys, as they are priced based on the more modest cost and reputation lenses in the line. You also have to test your lenses to ensure they work well, and learn how to use them optimally. Sometimes you will find patterns like the 300mm f/5 shown here where performance is different than what you might expect... See related discussion of 3 telephotos , Samigon vs. two Spiratone 300mm lenses including one preset lens example...

Related Postings [NB: use browser "FIND"(Ctrl-f on PCs, or CMD-f on Macs) to find keywords like brand names below] rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: thirdperson [email protected] [1] Re: how about the lenses of promaster? Date: Mon Nov 02 1998 ... "Promaster" is a trademark of a United States based confederation of independent camera stores called the PRO group. (PRO stands for Photographic Research Organization, if I'm not mistaken). This group negotiates with photo product manufacturers to supply them with special-branded products, and, in other cases, special deals on regular-branded products (both and Minolta have long histories of close relationships with the PRO group). The PRO group guarantees the manufacturer a certain volume of purchases in return for the best price possible on whatever item(s) they are trying to buy. Most of their lenses are currently made by Sigma and Tamron. Usually they are exactly the same internally as the Sigma and Tamron-branded equivalents, but have a different external finish.

From: "Charlie Parekh" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: how about the lenses of promaster? Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 >Most of their lenses are currently made by Sigma and Tamron. Usually they are exactly >the same internally as the Sigma and Tamron-branded equivalents, but >have a different external finish.

I believe this is the same thing for the Quantaray brand sold by Ritz camera. I think all their lenses are Sigma lenses. In fact, I compared the 70-300 Quantaray to the same lens by Sigma, they were identical except that the writing on the Sigma was white, and the Quantaray was green. The rear lens cap on the Quantaray had a small Greek Sigma on the inside as well. So I guess Sigma and Tamron prostitute themselves out a lot.

[Ed. note: Lenses made by Sigma...] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 From: Jan Bvttcher [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Oriental QBM and Voigtlander Lenses the 1.4/55 exists in more than 4 versions variations: Made in Germany / Made in Japan (both Rollei and Voigtlander inclusive boxes labeled "Made in...") Rolleinar / Voigtlander Color Skoparex (both Germany and Japan) Metal-Rings all black / partly machined to add "chrome" rings (for a time I thought black for Rollei, shiny rings for Voigtldnder, but then the parts are interchangeable) reasons: ? Sigma: apart from the Apo-Zoom that is a Sigma lens labeled Rollei there has been at least a 2.8/28 "Sigma Mini-Wide" (seen some - didn't buy any because too expansive 120,- DM condition "B") Rolleinar/Voigldnder-lenses made in Japan were "all" of the 3pin type and have the "Blendenstufe" mentioned in the Prochnow-Report 4. Sure exception: the 5.6/400 and 8/500 (background: the SL2000f..3003 are only prepared for lens speeds from 1.4 to 4.0) Japanese lenses not labeled Voigtlander: all that appeared after 1983: 4.0/80-200 HFT, 2.8/80-200, 28-105, 28-80, 2.8/105 Makro (and?) the 2.8/28 HFT (there is a Voigtldnder version oft the 2.8/28 MC Rolleinar) Jan Bvttcher ([email protected])

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 From: "Charles R. Boyd" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc Subject: Is Chinon Still In Business? I was recently given a Chinon CP-9AF camera body. When I tried to find a price for a lens, I discovered the telephone numbers for Chinon authorized distributors and service centers were no longer valid. Does Chinon still exist? If someone could steer me toward an auto focus lens for this camera, I would appreciate it. Regards, Charlie Boyd

From: [email protected] (Mecamera) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: what's the brand Promaster? Date: 1 Nov 1998 A local Store in Stockton, CA sells Promaster lenses; and they say that Sigma makes them Manuel E. rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: "Anders Svensson" [email protected] [2] Re: Get what you pay for, was Canon Lens Prices Date: Thu Nov 05 1998 No individual object (like a lens) will be any better by by paying more for it. Some lenses are worth more, because they are better, not the other way around - but you did not mean it that way, I am sure ;-). The price structure in the photo business is very complicated, and where the major makers have a oligopoly (or monopoly), prices are completely artificial. For example, Canon and Nikon make lenses and camera bodies with unique and proprietary propertys and getting a alternative product may be impossible. If the importer can control the market, he can take what price he likes and think the market will support. Good examples are the entry level stuff "everyone" is making and marketing, compared to the "specialist equipment" that is considered after you have bought and "locked yourself into" a system. It will come to no surprise that there are a number of independent companies that are doing contract work for the major makers, like Nikon using Cosina for their FE10. The Nikon 35-80 consumer grade zoom is "made in Thailand - Nikon still is a Japanese make... The photo equipment business is not different from any other big business - they seek temporary (and not so temporary) partners all over the place to fill voids in their product lines and farm out production like most producing industries do. I suspect that this is a reason for the independent lens makers to be so well tolerated by the camera manufacturers - there may be more "third party lenses" out there than you think. I don't know this for sure, of course... Strange thing is that when you look into the price levels of equipment like lenses. There is a difference in real costs between a consumer grade zoom and a "pro" grade zoom, and a lot is explained by actual building costs. Even more is explained by the fact that most sales and distribution costs are applied as a percentage of the original cost price. So, in reality, if a lens will list for 4000 dollars/pounds and another (lesser) only 200 dollars, chances are that the cost at the factory for these lenses differs with "only" 500 dollars (wich is a *big* production cost difference). For those businesses who can avoid one or more middle men in this chain (basically grey import from a wholesale source elsewhere, where distribution is more efficient), there are profits to be made. If some of that profit is handed down to consumers, it might not be a bad thing. -- Anders Svensson rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: "Anders Svensson" [email protected] [1] Tokina (Beroflex/Varioplan) 70-210 AF zoom question. Date: Fri Nov 06 1998 I have found a Beroflex AF zoom lens at such a ridicolous price that I have bought it unseen. I have been informed by the seller (but don't completely believe) that the Beroflex (aka Varioplan) is the same lens as a Tokina 70-210 f/4-5.6. Assuming that this information is correct, is there anyone knowing anything about the Tokina lens, so I will know what to expect from a test shooting ? Private email is OK, if you feel that your comments are too spicy for the NG ;-) -- Anders Svensson rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: Mark McMaster [email protected] [1] Re: Promaster lenses? Date: Mon Nov 30 1998 arouth wrote: > I recently bought a Pentax ZX-50 with quartz date. The package came with a > Promaster 28-8- f3.5-5.6 lens. I wonder why Pentax packaged a Promaster lens > instead of a Pentax lens. Who makes Promaster lenses? According to dealer > Tamron makes these lenses. The lens is very sharp. I have no complaint about > the lens. With thanks. I seriously doubt that Pentax packaged the Promaster lens with their camera. It was more likely the camera dealer who did that, to save money (his, not yours). Some Promaster lenses are made by Samyang, who also make some models sold under the Phoenix and Vivitar names, but I'm not sure about this one. Mark McMaster [email protected] rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: "Michael A. Covington" [email protected] [1] Re: Nikon vs Non-Brand Name Lens Date: Mon Nov 30 1998 >Is there a big drop off in performance between say Nikon lens vs Sigma/Tameron >(given same/similar F and same MM)? Well, Sigma and Tamron wouldn't have lasted this long if their products were junk. I have a couple of excellent Sigma lenses. Expect somewhat less ruggedness than from Nikon (then again, though, the Nikon 35-80 f/4-5.6 that came with my N70 doesn't strike me as rugged!). Avoid unknown-name lenses pushed on you by salesmen who say "this is made in the same factory as" so- and-so. But Sigma and Tamron are not off-brands. Along with Tokina and a couple of others, they are quite respected names. rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: [email protected] (UB2Cool4me) [1] Re: Nikon vs Non-Brand Name Lens Date: Mon Nov 30 1998 Depending on which lens you are looking at, the only major drop off you will see may be the $$$ it costs. SOME lens in Tamron, Sigma and Tokina are just as good as and some are not even in the ballpark. Re-ask your question and supply the lens you are looking at (i.e. 70mm - 200mm etc) the folks here will let you know what is junk in a hurry Buster rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: [email protected] (Finnegan T. Tsai) [1] Re: Nikon vs Non-Brand Name Lens Date: Fri Dec 04 1998 For those really care about the names... Tokina and Hoya are actually in the same business group. Hoya is the biggest ground glass provider to other Japanese lens makers. This may explain the lower prices of Tokina lenses. Hoya do OEM for some famous German brands, too. Nikon makes its own glasses though. -finney

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] , Koda, the Novar, and All That [email protected] (Bob Shell) writes: > At the time I was writing my Hasselblad book about eight years ago > still had substantial financial interest in Hasselblad. My guess is that > they probably still do. ======The financial statements Kodak filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission are available at: http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/srch-edgar?kodak R. J. Bender ( A Nikon, and Rollei user. ) rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: [email protected] [1] Re: Leitz or Leica? Projectors Date: Thu Dec 10 1998 Today E.Leitz GmbH is nonexistent. The camera maker now is " AG" not Leitz, now a part of Swiss company, and moved the headquater from Wetzlar to Solms. Check www.leica-camera.com. ------Tom Kumagai

From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Leica lenses made by Japan? Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 >Some PhD keeps making this claim in another group. Can Leicaphiles >confirm or disprove? > >Andrew. I was discussing this with Dr. Gary Gaugler as I didn't understand his use of my quotation in his response. So I sent a note off to a friend of mine who co-authored a book on Zeiss Ikon and is a member of the Zeiss Historica Society as well as an avid Leica user (and I believe he's in process authoring a book on Leica optics as well). I take his response as fairly authoritative: MJS: >A couple of the new Leica R zooms are manufactured by Kyocera -- >I believe there is some information on this on the Leica web >site. All other Leica lenses are made at Solms. I am relatively >confident that all M lenses are made there. > >The relationship with Kyocera came about because Leica hired away >one of the senior Zeiss lens gurus a couple or three years back, >and he was comfortable working with Kyocera. But this >Leica-Kyocera connexion is absolutely independent of the >Zeiss-Kyocera relationship. The Leica lenses, for instance, do >not pass through Zeiss's 'round-eye room' for final inspection, >but are inspected independently. I have not checked the Leica website for corroborating information as yet, but it should be simple to do so. Godfrey

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 From: Terje Tveraas [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: thanks for HB history update! bobm wrote: >Thanks Leo, for the update - the message I saw indicated that "hasselblad >was recently sold to an anonymous group of investors" (Dec 1 98) but I >guess our definitions of "recently" must differ a lot ;-) Earlier this year I read in a newspaper that Hasselblad was sold to a Swiss bank. --Terje rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: [email protected] (X35g) [1] Re: Nikon "Made in Thailand" Date: Thu Jan 14 1999 [email protected] (Hp35) writes: >Can anyone list which current Nikon bodies/lenses are manufactured in China >or >Thailand as opposed to Japan. Thailand, China, and Indonesia, I have to say that what you are tring to ascertain is far more "greyed" than you might believe. Japan imports labor from many countries. My company has a great many guest workers from Brazil and the Philipines working in some of our Japanese plants as assemblers. The manufacturing standards are maintained and monitored. In Thailand, we have all Thai workers....again, the manufacturing standards are maintained quite well - even impressive. I haven't visited the China facility, but I'm sure that standards are also maintained there. Farming out assembly work and having a production plant in a different country may or may not result in differing levels of quality, so the judgement you attempt to make is not an easy one. With my experience in Asian manufacturing, China is the only origin I would be careful with, and China production under Japanese scrutiny would still be a fine product, in most cases.

From: [email protected] (DWA652) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Quanteray = Sigma? Date: 17 Dec 1998 My understanding is that they are indeed made by Sigma, but most lens tests show that they are not quite as good as the Sigma lenses. I do not know whether they have separate manufacturing lines, separate the lenses during inspection, or what, but the Pop Photo, etc. tests usually rate the Quantaray lenses a bit lower. God Bless, Don Allen http://members.xoom.com/donallenfoto

From: "Donald D. Forsling" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: How is the Quality of Quantaray Lense? Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 Jim Bisnett wrote >I was stupid enough to buy two of the Quantaray lenses when I first bought a >camera 10 years ago. They suck. They suck. I can't believe that sigma made >them. If they did, they still suck. > >If someone can tell me if sigma made them.. I would like to know. Since I have >considered buying sigma before, and if they do make quantaray I won't even >consider it. The fact that Sigma makes Quantaray lenses (generally conceded to be a pretty poor line of lenses) says nothing about the quality of the lenses Sigma sells under its own name. Quantaray lenses are made to a certain set of specs, obviously. Sigma lenses are made to another and somewhat higher and tighter set of specs. There's no reason to believe that if it wanted to sell in the high end, Sigma could manufacture lenses as good as . Obviously they don't. Quantaray lenses aren't very good. Sigmas are better but are still not as good a Tamrons or Tokinas--and nowhere near as good as the average . High quality does cost relatively big money. Quantarays are cheap, bad lenses. If you can afford something else, buy it. Cheers, -- Don Forsling [email protected]

Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 From: "Richard D. Bright" [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Third party lenses... I love the site. I used to work in a camera store in PA and the info that you have would have been very helpful. We used to sell Promaster lenses, which are not on your list. Promaster lenses are made by Tamron (at least the autofocus mounts). They are the same lens as the Tamron, with the exception of a rubber focusing ring. The quality was very good and we had next to no problem with defects/returns. Promaster has a website (www.promaster.com). I thought you might like to add their info... Vicky Bright

From: [email protected] (JTWard01) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Quanteray = Sigma? Date: 17 Dec 1998 >And another thing, a guy in Ritz photo told me that Quantaray are made by >Sigma, is that true? Do they have the same quality? I don't know if ALL Quanteray lenses are built by Sigma, but I know that at least some of their Tech 10 line are Sigmas. The 70-210 f2.8 lens, for example, is a Sigma, and I believe the 75-300 is also Sigma. The others, I don't know. Of course, being built by Sigma doesn't guarantee that they have the latest improvements that you would get in a Sigma name lens. Who knows how long Ritz has had them sitting in a warehouse somewhere. All I'm saying is to compare them carefully before buying. John Ward Brandon, Florida

From: Ray Roewert [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Quanteray = Sigma? Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 DWA652 wrote: > My understanding is that they are indeed made by Sigma, but most lens tests > show that they are not quite as good as the Sigma lenses. I do not know > whether they have separate manufacturing lines, separate the lenses during > inspection, or what, but the Pop Photo, etc. tests usually rate the Quantaray > lenses a bit lower. > > God Bless, > Don Allen > http://members.xoom.com/donallenfoto I've read several test of lenses that included Quantaray, and you are correct, they rarely get the reviews of the big name lenses. However, as photographer on a budget I've used them, and have been very happy with the results. Recently I had some LARGE blow-up made of some shots I took with my Canon EOS Elan IIe, and a Quantaray Tech 10 50mm macro lens. I could detect no problems with the quality of the image. I cant help but wonder if the the reviews aren't often biased in favor of the big name manufacturers who spend big bucks advertising in these magazine. I dunno.... I guess you have to see for yourself. rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: Robert Krawitz [email protected] [1] Re: Tamron vs. Promaster 28-200 Date: Mon Jan 25 1999 [email protected] writes: > Does anyone have any advice re: Tamron vs.Promaster 28-200 autofocus lenses > for the Canon Elan II? I have used the Tamron 28-200 (manual) on my Canon A-1 > and been very happy with it, but I don't know about the autofocus version of > this lens. My other option would be to change format and buy the Canon > 28-105. If anyone has any input, I would appreciate a > response....thanks...carolyu The current Promaster 28-200 is really the Tamron 28-200 Super, which focuses much closer than the older 28-200. The Canon 28-105 is very highly rated, and is USM so focusing is almost silent and very, very fast. -- Robert Krawitz http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] SL35 mount Makinon 300mm >Hello, > >Does anyone have any knowledge of the quality of Makinon lenses. I picked >up a 300/5.6 on eBay ($46) in mint condition. It has decent construction >and is multicoated. I'm wondering who is Makinon? Were they a manufacturer >or just another marketing co? Also, were Sigma, Tokina, Tamron and Vivitar >selling all their lenses in Rollei QBM? I usually only see Zeiss or >Rolleinars for sale. How common are the other makers lenses? > >Happy New Year, >Tony Zoccolillo Makinon lenses were made by Makina Optical in Japan. The company went bust around 1983 or so. They were contracted at one point to supply lenses to Rollei after Mamiya shut down 35 mm lens production in 1982. but could not meet Rollei's quality standards. I used to have one of their zooms for my SL35E and it was OK, but nothing to get excited about. They made some 2X converters in Rollei QBM which were pretty darned good. I think I still have one of those in a drawer somewhere. It came with a little metal wrench to take out the optical section so you could use it as an extension tube. Bob

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] SL35 mount Makinon 300mm >Hello, > >Does anyone have any knowledge of the quality of Makinon lenses. I picked >up a 300/5.6 on eBay ($46) in mint condition. It has decent construction >and is multicoated. I'm wondering who is Makinon? Were they a manufacturer >or just another marketing co? Also, were Sigma, Tokina, Tamron and Vivitar >selling all their lenses in Rollei QBM? I usually only see Zeiss or >Rolleinars for sale. How common are the other makers lenses? > >Happy New Year, >Tony Zoccolillo Forgot your second question. Sigma never made lenses under their name for Rollei. Tamron made an auto adapter for their Adaptall line of lenses in Rollei mount. I don't think Tokina ever sold lenses under their name in Rollei mount. Vivitar is not a lens maker but a marketing company, and their lenses come from a variety of sources including Sigma, Kiron, Cosina, etc. I don't think they ever sold any lenses in Rollei QBM mount. All of my answers apply to the USA. In Europe where Rollei was more popular things may have been different. Bob rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: [email protected] (Buzzeb) [1] Re: Promaster lenses Date: Thu Mar 04 1999 Bill- I've not seen any Promaster reviews, but it would seem that at least some of their lenses are manufactured by Tamron. E.G., their 28-200 is identical to the Tamron 28-200 Super, and their 70-300 seems to be a relabled Tamron 70-300 (which, according to some, is the same as the Nikon 70-300). Michael rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: [email protected] [1] buying in Japan .... Hoya/Kenko filters Date: Mon Mar 08 1999 I went to japan recently to purchase a big bunch of equipment ..... even with the Yen at 110 to the dollar, I saved 20% off the B&H price and in addition, the 8% tax (I include the 8% tax because actually handling the equipment one intends to buy contributes substantially to the final decision). The market there is incredible .... there is nothing that isn't available. However, I got this price only at one store - Sakuraya at Ikebukoro I wanted to buy Hoya filters .... but the only filters available there were Kenko. I ws told that Hoya and Kenko filters are the same with the latter being the official name in Japan - is this true? Thanks ramana athreya rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: [email protected] (Ross Bench) [1] Re: SOLIGOR LENSES (Talk to me) Date: Mon Mar 08 1999 [email protected] (JBradb6406) wrote: >What can you tell me about these lenses, I have one 35-105 zoom with macro >and it works real nice, just bought another, 80-200 what cha all think (be >gentle). I have owned Soligor lenses in the past... :) As with ALL companies, some are serviceable, some are crap. Soligor was owned by Allied Impex Corp here in America until it's demise in 1978. They imported mid range cameras, lenses and accessories from various manufacturers under the Soligor name. The quality of their products varied with whoever manufactured it. Some products were far better than others. It appears that the Soligor name has been revived by someone and as near as I can tell they are based in Europe. I cannot address the quality of their current line of products. All of the Soligor review pages, of current products, that I was able to find are in languages other than English so I couldn't tell you if they are complimentary or if they are trashing them... :) They may produce an outstanding product these days... ???? The bottom line: If you like the pictures that your lenses are producing, then they are just fine and dandy lenses and screw what anyone else says.. rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: [email protected] (RPMPhoto) [1] Re: Difference between Vivitar and Cosina lenses! Date: Tue Mar 02 1999 It is very likely they are the same lenses. Cosina makes a lot of lenses for Vivitar, and Tokina (EMZ line). Jason

Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 From: Bob Salomon [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei Users list digest V2 #68 >Forgot your second question. Sigma never made lenses under their name for >Rollei. Tamron made an auto adapter for their Adaptall line of lenses in >Rollei mount. I don't think Tokina ever sold lenses under their name in >Rollei mount. Vivitar is not a lens maker but a marketing company, and >their lenses come from a variety of sources including Sigma, Kiron, Cosina, >etc. I don't think they ever sold any lenses in Rollei QBM mount. All of >my answers apply to the USA. In Europe where Rollei was more popular >things may have been different. Yes Sigma listed and offered Rollei mount lenses in the US. A few were imported but most were available only on special order here. Rollei was imported by EPOI who was also the Sigma distributor at that time. As I sold both for EPOI I carried a sample Rollei mount Sigma. HP Marketing Corp. U.S. distributor for Amazon, , Gepe, Giottos, GO Light, Heliopan, HP Combi Plan T, Kaiser fototechnik, KoPho cases, Linhof, Pro Release, Rimowa, Rodenstock,Sirostar 2000

From: "Rob Hull" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Quandry (sp?) lenses Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 Quantaray is the store brand for Ritz Camera and I believe you will find that they are manufactured by Sigma.

From: "Bob Salomon" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Caltar lenses Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 You may not have noticed but Rodenstock has been awarded ISO 9000 status. They are the only large format lens manufacturer to acheive this. That means that all Rodenstock lenses sold under the Rodenstock name meet or surpass the specifications stated in the Rodenstock literature. Rodenstock is the optical company. They design and manufacture lenses. Sinar is a manufacturer of a camera. They do not design, grind, polish, coat, assemble optics. The lenses sold by Sinar are not "hand picked out of the line" In fact they are tested by Sinar on exactly the same that is used at Linhof to test lenses. The machine used by both happens to be a Siemens Star tester made by Rodenstock and which was part of the final QC tests at Rodenstock prior to their having been awarded ISO 9000 status. It is very possible that the ISO inspectors may have refined that test. What Sinar says is that they properly center the lens on the lens board for Sinar cameras. What Sinar said when they first introduced their lenses was that they "centered" the lenses. They have been told to desist from stating this by the factory as it is untrue but you may find an uninformed supporter who is still deluded by that original false claim. Rodenstock is a large. German manufacturer who produces lenses for sale world wide, in fact if you consider some special lenses for NASA for the Shuttle, you could say they manufacturer for more than world wide. Calumet is a Camera store owned by an English company with stores in the U.s and a sales outlet in Europe. Do you really think that Calumet is so big a world-wide source for house brand lenses that they outsell the number one large format manufacturer in the world in all countries? Including those whose native tongue may not be English or possibly Spanish? ------

Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 From: Matthias Wilke [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: third party lens site Hello Robert, I have three additions concerning your third party lens site. Meyer Go(e)rlitz was an East German manufacturer which belonged to Pentacon in the last decades of the so called "DDR". Cosina is not only a brand name, but a manufacturer, who builds for Voigtla(e)nder, Soligor, cheap latest Tokina line, Nikon, Olympus (OM-2000 with two dedicated lenses) and others. They have a difficult to find website, I have forgotten the address. Zuiko is not a name for third party lenses, but for the whole Olympus OM-system and Pen FT lens lines and for some older lenses. Lately they have dropped the name Zuiko for P+S cameras and the IS-line but still use it for the OM-system. Best regards, Matthias Wilke

[Ed. note: speaking of Cosina, they're making a clone! ;-) ] Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 From: Matthew Phillips [email protected] Subject: [Rollei] Re: camera labels, Cosina's Voigtlander ... >Believe it or not, every company (i.e. Rollei, Hasselblad, Leica, Zeiss, >Braun, Voigtldnder) who is no more able to make own new cameras says that. >However it is normally no more than a Japanese, , Korean camera with >the company lable pasted on it. Cameras from these countries are excellent! ... >dirk Speaking of which, has anyone seen one of the new Voigtlander Bessa L bodies, made by Cosina, with Leica thread mount and newly computed wideangle lenses? I saw a description of it on the Cameraquest site, and a Japanese-omly link to Cosina, and am curious to find out more. Particularly if these are to be exported to other markets. Regards, M.Phillips

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: camera labels, Cosina's Voigtlander ... I had heard many rumors about this camera prior to photokina, but no one at the show would admit that it existed. If Cosina is building it then it could show up in the USA under several possible names. Cosina builds Vivitar's SLR cameras, and also builds some of Ricoh's SLR cameras. They have supplied cameras to other firms including Canon and Nikon in the past, but I doubt we would see either of those names on it. I'll nose around for it at PMA. Bob

From: [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Heres why I use and not Nikon! Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 ... Optics for cameras are made by Tamron. Tamron is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Sony, something which few people seem aware of. Bob

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 From: Marc James Small [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Voigtlaender Name sold out?? Jan Decher wrote: >Wonder who they paid for it? (Marc, do you have any >answers?) Sure. A chain of German camera stores now own the Voigtlander labels. My first camera was, and is, a Voigtlander, and I hate to see how low the breed has sunk. Marc

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei]OFF TOPIC:Cosina, Voigtlander et al [email protected] (Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)) writes: > Yes, Cosina is the manufacturer of the Olympus OM2000, Nikon FM10, Yashic > FX3 Super 2000, Vivitar V3000. Ricoh KR5 Super II, and others. > Check out > http://www.neci.nj.nec.com/homepages/sebastien/album/clone2000.html > > This person also lists the Canon T60, Promaster 2000PK Super, which laong > with the previous ones noted above are said to be basically modified > versions of the Cosina C1. ======Many of those models are sold as "entry level" or "student" cameras. The guy I spoke to at the camera store (Schiller's) also mentioned the Kalimar K90 http://www.kalimar.com/k90.htm When you run through these images you can see the similarities: http://www.kyu.co.uk/fx3.jpg http://www.olympus.co.jp/LineUp/Camera/om2000.jpg

If the Bessa L has a manual , LED meter and it should be priced considerably less than a Rollei QZ or a Contax G 2, shouldn't it? With the recent price cuts on Rollei and Contax, the Bessa will have to be priced cheap. They will probably just have the 15mm and the 25mm lenses if there is no rangefinder or autofocus mechanism on the body. Cosina must have this camera targeted for a particular market... tourists? http://www.cosina.co.jp/bessa/anim.gif If the Olympus OM2000 has a die cast aluminum body and sells for around $200, what do you think the Voigtlander body without a prism will sell for, $300? What do you think the street price for the lenses will be, $700 for the 15mm and $500 for the 25mm? Does anyone know what Cosina's Polish distributor, MODUS VIVENDI, sells besides Cosina? R. J. Bender ( A Nikon, Mamiya and Rollei user. ) mailto:[email protected] or mailto:[email protected] http://homepages.infoseek.com/~rbender/RS.htm

Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 From: Bob Shell [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei]OFF TOPIC:Cosina, Voigtlander et al ... Cosina has made cameras for many of the major players. The Nikon FM10 and FE10 are from Cosina. The Olympus OM2000 is from Cosina. There was a short lived Canon SLR also made by Cosina, but I don't recall the model number at the moment. Cosina also makes some of Ricoh's SLR cameras, and many of Vivitar's Series 1 lenses. They hold some of the major patents on autofocus as well, even though they have never built an autofocus SLR. Bob

Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei]OFF TOPIC:Cosina, Voigtlander et al ... So far as I know Kyocera does not outsource any of their current cameras. On the contrary, they often build cameras for others. The original Olympus Infinity Stylus was built by Kyocera, which may be why the lens is so good. The Infinity Stylus Zoom was not built by Kyocera, which may be why the lens is so bad!!!! Bob

Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: camera labels, Cosina's Voigtlander (off-topic) >>The lenses, IMHO, are more intriguing. The 15mm Heliar retails for >>65,000 yen with finder, the 25mm Skopar with finder for 45,000 yen. >>Compare that to 210,000 for the Contax 16mm Hologon (plus another >>55,000 yen to have it re-machined for a Leica screw mount) and close >>to 300,000 yen for the Leica 24mm/2.8 -Asph. Yes, very intriguing. Cosina makes very good optics. I wonder if the 25 mm has a "cam" for rangefinder focusing on Leica cameras. It would not be necessary on the 15 mm, and only for critical work on the 25 mm, but would be nice to have. All of a sudden it seems we will be flooded with new wide angle lenses and specialty cameras. Bob

Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 From: Dirk-Roger Schmitt [email protected] Subject: [Rollei] Zeiss Jena /Oberkochen story Some more story: Before end of the war the Jena area was occupied by the US armee. However due to a contract with Russia they had to transfer this area to the Russian armee. The Americans decided to take as much Carl Zeiss gear and also specialists with them as possible. So before they retracted the armee a long train with , plans and people was loaded to go west. The train left Jena and reached the area near Oberkochen. At this time the war was over, the Americans lost interest in the Zeiss people and the train with all the machines and families was standing there allone. They now decided very quickly to keep together and to form a new company. In Oberkochen they found empty factory halls were they moved to.

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 From: "Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" [email protected] Subject: RE: [Rollei] Zeiss Jena /Oberkochen story Dirk, You are correct, but from research I have done on Zeiss in an attempt to put information tohgether for a book on optics here is what I have uncovered and documented.... "In April of 1945, General Patton's Third Army entered Jena. In less than two months the war ravaged Zeiss Works were ready to operate. Unfortunately, during the month of June, agreements made at Yalta forced Patton to withdraw his troops. A clandestine operation was put into effect barely 3 days before the Soviet Army occupied Jena. A convoy of U.S. Army trucks pulled into Jena and with help from Zeiss executives, transported 1200 of the company's employees including key scientists and technicians more than 200 miles into the U.S. occupied territory to the town of Heidenheim. Within a years time, the occupying Soviet forces would removed $100 million worth of goods and machinery from the Zeiss Jena Works and deport 336 technicians and factory workers to the Soviet Union. Those remaining in Jena started the rebuilding process. Even with the little than remained, the Zeiss Jena works began to take shape but just as that happened, the Soviet controlled East German government took over the factory. In 1945, Jena produced Tessar lenses under several names including Zeiss Jena, VEB Jena, and the very rare Ernst Abbe Jena. In the meantime, the Zeiss scientists and technicians that had moved to Heidenheim started planning a new factory 10 miles from Heidenheim. They leased an abandoned war plant in Oberkochen and began production as Opton in 1946, later changing the name to Zeiss-Opton in 1947. Schott began glass production in Zwiesel during 1946 and would later transfer headquarters to Mainz in 1952. Dr. Heinz K|ppenbender, the inventor of the Contax camera, helped rebuild the new Zeiss works. When asked what was the first equipment installed at the factory, he replied, "Beds!" Perhaps if finished I could even sell what I have written thus fas as a history of Zeiss and the German Optical industry. Who knows..... Peter K

Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 From: Marc James Small [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Zeiss Jena /Oberkochen story ... Not quite. The creation of the Foundation headquarters at Heidenheim and of the new factory at Oberkochen were under the aegis of the United States Army, who wanted Zeiss optical and medical gear for the Invasion of Japan. The train Dirk-Roger describes was actually several trains: the principal one simply disappears (it has been suggested by some of the staff on the Inter-Allied Committee on Optical Reparations that the British purloined it, but this seems to be idle speculation), the one with the lens-making equipment is taken by the Soviets after they so insist to Eisenhower. Heinz Kuppenbender, then the Chairman of Zeiss, blandly pointed out in 1970 that "we are still waiting for the train to appear". Zeiss sued the US Army and was awarded a large judgement. Marc

Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 From: Marc James Small [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Zeiss Opton A minor point. The original use of the "Zeiss-Opton" trademark on the products from Oberkochen was determined upon at a time when the split of the two Zeiss entities wasn't foreseen. The US Army brought about the creation of the Oberkochen plant to ensure that Zeiss would be able to manufacture optical gear (primarily medical lab gear) for the anticipated invasion of Japan; as the Jena plant was in the USSR Zone, the concern was that the Soviets wouldn't enter the War in the Pacific, and the US Army wished to have a plant totally under its control. Hence, the "Zeiss-Opton" trademark was simply used as a differentiator from the products of Carl Zeiss Jena. Later, when the lawsuits flew thick and fast, the Western courts granted the Zeiss name to Oberkochen, while the Eastern courts granted it to Jena. Hence, for forty years, products from Jena sold in the West often bore names such as "aus Jena" or "CZ", while Oberkochen products sold in the Warsaw Pact were labeled "Opton". (The East Block guys used to work Western trade shows with a huge banner marked, in small letters, "aus Jena" and, on the next line, in LARGE letters, "1 Carl Zeiss Strasse, Jena".) There is NO difference between a Tessar made in Oberkochen and marked "Zeiss-Opton" and one made in Jena and marked "Carl Zeiss Jena". One of the most enduring myths of Rollei lore is that of the "Opton Tessar". No such lens existed, ever: it is just a "Zeiss-Opton Tessar". Marc [email protected] FAX: +540/343-7315

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 From: "Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" [email protected] Subject: RE: [Rollei]OFF TOPIC:Cosina, Voigtlander et al Yes, Cosina is the manufacturer of the Olympus OM2000, Nikon FM10, Yashic FX3 Super 2000, Vivitar V3000. Ricoh KR5 Super II, and others. Check out http://www.neci.nj.nec.com/homepages/sebastien/album/clone2000.html This person also lists the Canon T60, Promaster 2000PK Super, which laong with the previous ones noted above are said to be basically modified versions of the Cosina C1. Cosina is an interesting company, they also do their own glass melting as opposed to buying it from others. Peter K

From Nikon Digest List Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 From: Adam Dietrich [email protected] Subject: Re: nikon-digest V4 #314 [v04.n315/6] > From: "George Bowen" [email protected] > Subject: Nikon vs. Promaster [v04.n314/19] > > $200 range is the plastic mount 28-70 D lens. The Promaster has a metal > mount with a sturdy plastic barrel with rubberized zoom/focus rings. Auto > focusing is responsive and no noisier than my Nikkors. It is selling for > $150 in a local camera shop in Maine. It has a 5 year warranty. I saw some > photos that were taken with the Promaster 28-70 f3.5-4.5 zoom, some enlarged > to large sizes (11x14 and larger, I don't recall the exact sizes) I was > impressed! The color and detail were outstanding, rivaling Nikkors. Contrast > seemed good. Does anyone know where I can find test results with this and > other Promaster lenses? Also does any one know who makes these lenses? I saw > some that strongly resembled Tamrons. I like Nikon equipment, but I'm not > fanatical about it. As I see it, as long as the lens in question,be it > Nikkor or third party, gives great images it doesn't matter to me who makes > > George Bowen > ******************** > Relax, relax, I need some information first. > Just the basic facts. > Can you show me where it hurts? Promaster is not a company in itself, The store I work at sells them as our "house brand" most of them are Tamrons, others are Vivitars, some are Pheonix. We don't stock the 28-70 promaster lens, but if it is infact a 28-70, then it is not a tamron since tamrons lens is a 28-80 3.5-5.6. The tamron lens has 7 elements in 7 groups, one aspheric element filter diamerter of 58mm minimum focus distance of 70cm angle of view is 75 degrees to 30 degrees, and has a six blade aperture. hope this rattling off of statistics helps Adam

Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Third Party hi - I just acquired a MIIDA 75-205mm zoom for the Minolta MD (Manual) mount - it is a f3.8 not f2.8 like your chart shows - By the way, who made the thing anyway - the box says "Marubeni America Corp, Made in Japan" The shop has quite a few in stock, it was closed for several years and then re-opened, I guess (Frank's Highland Park Camera in LA, CA) - they have LOTS of strange labels and models - most at pretty good prices. Thanks for the info that's there, useful and fascinating. Jim Franz ([email protected])

From: "sdmeyers" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Filters Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 I've been told that the Promaster filters are just rebranded Hoya's. Owning a Hoya HMC and a Promaster MC (which both come in identical hard plastic cases) I tend to believe this claim. I assume that Quantarays are also something else rebranded exactly what who knows? -Scott rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: [email protected] (David M Anthony) [1] Re: Re-post: CPC Filters? Date: Thu Apr 01 1999 Robert Monaghan [email protected] wrote: >CPC or combined products corp is an importer label I believe >see http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/third/mfg.html > >they don't make filters, but buy and resell from other mfgers Also see: http://www.cs.purdue.edu/~bdd/Pentax/lenses/non-SMC/ for info on CPC. [Ed note: new URL is http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/lenses/non-SMC/ 03/2000] rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: "Ron Walton" [email protected] [1] Re: tamron lenses Date: Sun Apr 25 1999 Liv2cruise wrote >Where I live, Promasters are Tamrons and Ritz are Sigmas. > Steve Check this out. www.wolfes.com/photo/lenses/promaster/ These are Cosina Products- AF 19-35 3.5-4.5 AF 28-300 4-5.6 AF100-300 5.6-6.7 AF 100-400 5.6-6.7 AF 100 3.5 macro They may be phasing the Cosinas out. Thier 28-105 zoom a few years ago was the 28-105 2.8-3.8 Cosina and now thier 28-105 4-5.6 appears to be a Tamron. Ron Walton Visit the BPC http://www.bpc.photographer.org

From: [email protected] (Maycop) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: soligor opics Date: 12 May 1999 Would you be interested ina Soligor 250mm preset lens? I have 1 in exc. cond. Preset takes T2 adapters which allow it to be used on most older cameras. Email for details. Soligor was handled by AIC ,the co. that imp. Miranda. When Miranda went out of biz. in mid 70's soligor faded out . Latest info I have is E. Coast Camera,180 W. Merrick rd. Valley Stream NY 11580.

From: Markou [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: how to ID series 1 vivitar lens? Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 Acer; All Vivitar series 1,have that marked directly on the lens, where the focal length and the speed are shown. Also a thin red line circles the lens barrel. Hope this helps. Good luck. MGM.. Acer Victoria wrote: > I've read some posts praising the Series 1 Vivitar lens. My supervisor had > an old box of stuff I was given to experiment with, and there is an > "auto-telephoto 135/2.8" Viv lens. How can I tell what series it is? It's > made in Japan, is a Pentax screw mount (for old Spotmatic). > Thanks, > Siddiq

From: [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: tamron lenses Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 The only PROMASTER AF lens made by Cosina is the 100-400. They may have a few Cosina MF lenses ... but the rest of the AF lenses are Tamron.

From: "Ron Walton" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Promaster 28-200? Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 Russ Adams wrote >A friend just showed up with a brand new Canon 2000 with a Promaster >28-200 lense. This lens is a Tamron 28-200 sold under the Promaster name. Go to www.dejanews.com and do a power search. Ron Walton

From: [email protected] (David Rozen) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: photographer loves soligor Date: 22 May 1999 AVED88 ([email protected]) wrote: : on ebay and most mail order companies and have been unsuccessful : finding a 28mm two touch zoom. focal lenghts listed by priority : 28-50 : 28-35 : 28-70 : 28-80 : need for minolta md mount Maybe sticking to Soligor is limiting you too much. My prized 28-70 is a Tokina 2-touch contant f:4 with excellent close focus system. Soligor is a badge-label company, not a lens maker. My fave 28-70 might be one of Soligors you seek, but you would overlook it by ignoring all Tokinas [a lens maker, altho real name is Assanuma]. What you want is a twin ring [rotozoom] 28-whatever 3rd party MSR/MC/MD etc lens. You say as much when you "specify" a name like Soligor or Vivitar, who simply label Kirons, Tokinas, Sigmas and others with their marketing labels. Widen your pool of available optics by not specifying Soligor, and maybe you'll find something. Regards, - dr

From: "Ron Walton" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: How is Vivitar vs. tamron? Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 Altho many older Vivitars are excellent, most, if not all, of the current Vivitars seem to be made by Cosina. At best these are mediocre lenses. Many Vivitars of the past are made by the same manufacturers that make Kiron and Tokina lenses. If you know what to look for you can get excellent quality Vivitar lenses when buying used. -- Ron Walton Visit the BPC http://www.bpc.photographer.org

From: [email protected] (Ted) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Address/email for Kenko Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 Kenko is part of THK Photo Products (Tokina, Hoya) Go to www.thkphoto.com

From: "Brad The Dog" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: tamron lenses Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 you need to check your facts. promaster haven't used sigma glass for 10 years. they currently uses tamaron glass and workings.

From Nikon MF Mailing List: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Soligar lenses? Accra, 28 May 1999 There is a short note in the British "Amateur Photographer" saying that Soligor has come up from the ashes with three SLR's, several lenses ans a number of other articles - flashes, bags, safety equipment. It said all cameras were made in China. I think the same applies to lenses as well. At the same time I got a leaflet from a Bulgarian daily dedicated to Soligor from their Bulgarian dealer. Judjing from the prices (in DM) and the sort of publicity campaign (so far not very popular in Eastern Europe - expensive and wasteful, I conclude that they are trying to enter the market with cheap products riding on the popularity of the brand. I do not think that they have anything to do with the old Soligor. George Mitev

From Nikon Digest: Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 From: "Pascal Willemssen" [email protected] Subject: [NIKON] Third party lenses: Soligor > [NIKON] Third party lenses: Soligor > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:02:43 +0200 (MEST) > From: [email protected] > Subject: [NIKON] Third party lenses: Soligor > > Hello fellow subscribers, > Today I saw a lens by Soligor that seemed to be a good buy. Does = anyone > have experience with this brand and know something about it? Where are = this > lenses made? What about the mechanical construction? If you have any = comments > on them, please reply to my e-mail address. Thanks in advance! > friedrich > Graz, Austria Hello Friedrich, Well... I have never used a Soligor Lens, but I've read two tests about these lenses. They were published in a Dutch magazine called Foto + Doka. In short the people were amazed of the quality of the lens performing wide open. The lens they were reviewing was a 100-400 mm as far as I can remember. It seems that the lens is already stopped down by nature and that all the apertures that are available don't suffer from the usual problems lenses have. It's sharpness was called good throughout the full range. And they backed it up with the following comment : This lens is just as the lens we had last month. Again it does not have any noticeable distortions, or optical problems. Therefor whe will call this a Top Class product. (That is their reward for a good product) These lenses are made in Germany, your neighbours... By a company that specializes in optical equipment with a philisophy that is focussed at creating products with a good price quality ratio. SOLI = Part of Solid or Solide meaning good production quality, GOR, just a nice part to end the brandname. :) As they call it themselves. You can check out their homepage at www.soligor.de=20 I hope that this helps,=20 Greetings, Pascal Willemssen

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 From: Dirk-Roger Schmitt [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Circuit Boards and Shutter Gears > >" The Japanese first fix the price, and then make the camera to fit > the price ". > >" The Germans make the camera first, and then add up the cost to come > up with the price" > >Its a shame and unfortunately, the second rule doesn't go well with >business operations in current times. > >Nikon is an undisputed leader in optical instruments used to manufacture >semiconductor chips (wafers) where the tolorences are in the order of >microns !!. The German industry can't even enter this arena, in spite >of their rich and outstanding optical history. That is not true: The best wafer steppers (even in Japan) are equipped Carl Zeiss lenses. Nobody in the world can make better lensens for wafer procution than Carl Zeiss. Without Carl Zeiss lenses no Pentium II, no computers, no chips, no cars, no airplanes, no 6008.... However, the lenses cost hundreds of thousand dollars, each and you need a truck for transportation. This wafer stepper business saved Carl Zeiss! Some years ago, they had very low profits, very low sales in most products. Since they developed these very very high performance lenses all the Zeiss business has been boosted. It is a big big market for them and the whole world is lining up at Oberkochen to get some of these lenses Greetings, Dirk

Subject: Re: Angenieux ,requesting information From: "Jim Williams" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 > Hi, > I'm really interested in this brand.Where I can get information? Is >it so good as it seems? Does anybody got one for 35mm. > Thanks for your comments > Joan Torrents Angenieux no longer sells lenses for consumer photography; their business segment now is solely professional cinematography and video, as well as other specialized optics such as night-vision equipment. The Angenieux zoom lenses that were offered for 35mm still photography in the early 1990s generally got very good marks from photography-magazine test reports, although some complained a bit about their 'plasticky' construction. The only way you can find these lenses now is on the used market, or perhaps as "new old stock." If you'd like to read a brief profile of the current Angenieux company and products, see: http://www.gifo.org/company/angenieux.htm

Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 From: Dirk-Roger Schmitt [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: Voigtlander >There are current model (new) Voigtlanders for sale in Japan...not sure >who produces them. They are made by Cosina. You can have a look on their website. (don't know the url, sorry). It is a stripped SLR body without Prism and mirror. It has just a simple . It is sold with a "Voigtgländer" superwide lens. The buy is a bargain. According to lens tests in a German magazine, the lens compares to the Carl Zeis Hologon of the Yashica Contax, but it is much much cheaper. Price in Germany for body an lens is announced to be about less 1000 $. Folks, if you like wide angle photography, don't hesitate to buy that "Voigtländer". (However, as someone who lives in Braunschweig, the home town of Rollei and Voigtländer, I would appreciate if it would be still made in the original Voigtländer factory, which still exists but which is used buy other companies) Greetings Dirk

Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 From: Tim Baty [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: Voigtlander Hi RUG, FYI, you can take a look at the new Cosina/Voigtländer products at these URLs: The 'official' Voigtländer site (German language only): http://www.voigtlaender.de/ Cosina's Voigtländer page (Japanese language only): http://www.cosina.co.jp/bessa/1.html Office Heliar's site (Japanese language, some English): http://www.cameraguild.co.jp/voigtlander/eng/top.htm This is a neat site, with basic information about the Bessa-L and the new VSL40 SLR. There's also some historical stuff about older Voigtländers, including a useful gallery of the different flavours of the 1950s Vitessa. Of more general interest, this site is useful for camera collectors: 'How To' Classic Camera (Japanese language only) http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/org/mediajoy/cla_came/index.html A simple on-line pictorial user guide for collectors - the Vitessa's there, as well as the Rollei 35. If you want to know how to do the simple stuff with your new acquisition, this is worth a look. Now if only I could read Japanese... <:-( Regards, Tim Baty Hampshire, England ...

Ed. note: Maybe that Hasselblad 2x is made by....Fuji? ;-) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 From: Russ Rosener [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 150mm vs 2x extender It's a valid question, considering the price of investing in a new Zeiss lens! If you are going to use the 150 focal length a lot, I'd say for more than 30% of your shooting, then a 150 lens is the way to go. It will be far less hassle and worth the price. There are many good used 150s out there, so I'd look for a clean used one first. If you only need a telephoto occasionally, like I do, then by all means get a converter. In my opinion there is no difference in the quality of the extenders you mentioned. The Hasselblad 2x is NOT made by Zeiss. I believe it is made by an optical company in Japan, perhaps Fuji? So buying it will not give you any better resolution than the Kenko, Vivitar, etc. Figuring out the is not a big deal. You lose two stops with a 2x converter. To make it simple, just rate the ASA on your meter two stops slower when you use the converter, ie. Asa 400 is now set at ASA 100. The converter is also a good idea if you travel a lot and want to keep the camera bag light. Russ Rosener [email protected] wrote: > I'm sure this has been hashed out before, but I haven't been a > subscriber for too long.. > > Could I get feedback on the merits of the Kenko vs Rokunar vs Vivitar vs > Hass 2x extenders, and how much you lose vs a 150mm C lens ? > > Is it a pain to figure out the when metering? Do > you just adjust the ASA on the meter before taking a reading, or do you > take the reading at the normal ASA then mentally adjust? I imagine it > can get tricky when using fill flash, setting the flash on one, the > meter on another and the lens on still another fstop. > > I apologize if this is too redundant.. > > Bill Shepard > [email protected]

Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 From: LEO WOLK [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 150mm vs 2x extender There's actually two Hasselblad 2X converters. The current model "2XE" has Japanese optics and is assembled in Sweden and marked "Made in Sweden". The prior model, the "Zeiss 2X Mutar", is indeed made by Zeiss complete with T* optics, and is marked "Made in Western Germany" (or at least mine is). Best, Leo.

From: [email protected] (Ejkowalski) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Kalimar lenses Date: 09 Jul 1999 >I just bought a Kalimar 60-300 f/3.9 lens. I can't find much info on this >brand but the lens seems to take great photos and I really like the long >range. Anybody know anything about Kalimar? It's made in Korea. Kalimar Corp. is located right here in St. Louis, Missouri. They manufacture nothing, never have, but they watch for good deals throughout the world, buy in quantity, replace brand name placards and repackage. Kalimar goods can start out anywhere. For a while they were even importing Russian Zenits and repackaging them as the "Kalimar 2000". EJKowalski

From The Rollei Mailing List: Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 From: Bob Salomon [email protected] Subject: [Rollei] Re: ISCO > ISCO is an acronym for "Ioseph Schneider Company"; it was a schlock lens > plant in Goettingen where Schneider could produce, and market, rather > mediocre lenses without polluting their own brand-name. SOME few ISCO > lenses were okay but most are, well, pretty poor. The ISCO plant was spun off at the Schneider bankruptcy when Mandermann acquired the Schneider company. Today ISCO makes professional projection lenses but not as part of Schneider. --

HP Marketing Corp. U.S. distributor for Amazon, Braun, Gepe, Giottos, GO Light, Heliopan, HP Combi Plan T, Kaiser fototechnik, KoPho cases, Linhof, Pro Release, Rimowa, Rodenstock,Sirostar 2000 rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: Philip Wang [email protected] [1] Re: fully manual SLR's - only Nikon still makes them??? Date: Tue Aug 17 1999 I am surprise! Are those cameras all made by Cosina? Thanks, - Philip "William J. Hayes" wrote: > DJMaytag [email protected] wrote 1 > > > some great results for a novice). I've been told that fully manual SLR's > > aren't being produced much anymore, but i want to find out what the "best" > > manual SLR is for my budget (currently points to a Nikon FM10 or FM2N). > > There are a lot of good manual cameras around. The classic recommendation > was the Penatax K1000, just recently discontinued. > > Nikon of course produces two superb cameras the F3hp and the FM2n. > > The there are all the cameras from Cosina. The Cosina C1 derivatives: > > Canon T60 Canon FD mount > Cosina C1 K mount > Nikon FM10 mount > Phoenix P1 K mount > Promaster PK2000 K mount > Ricoh RK5 K mount > Vivitar V4000 K mount > Yashica FX3 Yashica/Contax mount > > And the Cosina C1s derivatives, with aperture priority exposure: > > Cosina C1s K mount > Nikon FE10 Nikon F mount > Olympus OM2000 Olympus/Zuiko mount

[Ed. a third party camera (above list) for a third party lens? ;-)] From: [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: FYI: Nikon's FM10 is terrible. Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 Let's face it, this is an inexpensive SLR body but it does do the job quite nicely. While I'll agree that the focusing screen is not what it could have been,it is adequate,and the camera does have a accurate,centered weighted meter,and a very easy to use DOF preview button.I use mine with one of those sharp, cheapy,Vivitar 100 f3.5 macro lenses which makes a nice, light weight, packable combination for nature closeups in the field.So far, mine has performed smoothly and flawlessly and at a very reasonable cost. rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: [email protected] (BandHPhoto) [1] Re: Hoya Date: Tue Aug 24 1999 how good are Hoya's filters? I had never heard of them before a month ago. There's nothing wrong with them at all. They're imported by THK = Tokina/Hoya/Kenko. See http://www.thkphoto.com/catalog/hoya.html ======regards, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video http://www.bhphotovideo.com [email protected]

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 From: Marc James Small [email protected] Subject: [Rollei] ISCO At 10:26 AM 8/2/1999 -0700, Richard Knoppow wrote: >ISCO AFAIK was a company owned by Schneider. Isco lenses seem to be economy >models although I've seem some pretty elaborate ones. ISCO is an acronym for "Ioseph Schneider Company"; it was a schlock lens plant in Goettingen where Schneider could produce, and market, rather mediocre lenses without polluting their own brand-name. SOME few ISCO lenses were okay but most are, well, pretty poor. Marc [email protected]

[Ed. note: A Zeiss lens in Leica Labels - is it a third party lens? ;-)] From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rolleinar lenses & Gals > I am quite sure that it is a Distagon 2.8/15 which is no fisheye. It has a > very huge front lens. I don't own one (unfortunately) but I have seen and > tested it at my camera. It looks very identical to the Leica 2.8/15 lens, > so I am not sure who was making it. When I visited the Leica factory at Solms some time ago they let me borrow one of these lenses for a day. I took it on a Rhine cruise and had a lot of fun with this ultra wide angle lens. Yes, the Leica lens is simply the Zeiss lens rebadged. The Leica folks told me it made no sense for them to design and build such a lens when Zeiss had already done so, so they just buy in the Zeiss. I don't think Zeiss or Leica sell very many. It is a shame because it is a really nice lens. Bob

From: "ulisse" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Leica don't know the standards? Re Hasselblad Dump Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002

> Which one is that? > Arthur Kramer

As far as we know in Italy the 15mm 3.5 lens should be made by Zeiss for Leitz, and the design should the result of a collaboration of Zeiss and Asahi-Pentax (!!).

Really, the Pentax version of this lens is slightly different from Zeiss, because there is an aspherical lens in Pentax version instead of a doublet in the lens scheme. All of the remaining design should be the same.

From: "Brian Ellis" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Leica don't know the standards? Re Hasselblad Dump Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002

I know that Schnieder produces the 28 mm F 2.8 Super Angulon R for Leica and Kyocera makes the 80-200mm F4 Vario but I don't remember reading of a Leica lens produced by Zeiss. There are Leica lenses based on Zeiss designs, such as the 15mm F 3.5 Super Elmar R, but that lens isn't make by Zeiss as far as I know. So which Leica lens is made by Zeiss? ulisse" [email protected] wrote ... > > Interesting confidence. Why are you so sure? > > At least one Leitz lens is directly made by Zeiss, many others, like is for > other even Japanese brands have an optical scheme that is copyed from Zeiss; > for istance: 50 - Planar, 50 - Sonnar, many tele lenses > and Elmar 50 mm- Tessar. > > So, Should Leitz go to medium format, they would need a very winning camera > body to give better performance than Hassie.

[Ed. note: While Minolta is not a third party lens maker, even for Leitz, the following may be interesting here:] From the Leica List: Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 From: "Doug Richardson" [email protected] Subject: [Leica] Lens quality from non-Leica factories Dan Cardish [email protected] wrote: My point is that there *may* be a difference in quality between Leica lenses made in a Leica factory versus Leica lenses made in a non Leica factory. During the LHSA visit to Solms in April, I asked one of our hosts from Leica how the company could be sure of getting Leica-quality lenses from outside companies such as Minolta without giving such companies full access to Solms design and manufacturing methods. His response was that Leica does not share its design or manufacturing technology with outside companies. If a lens is obtained from another company, then that company has to use its own technology to create a product which met the specification laid down by Solms. So the quality of Leica lenses made in a non Leica factory is controlled by specifications devised by Leica. I wish I'd had the time to take this topic further and ask if the Leica specifications also defined the desired level of product mechanical durability, and if this was the case, how Leica established that the durability standard had been met. In practice, the only proof of long-term durability is passage of time. In the 1960s, Leitz vulcanite was seen as a material with superb wear-resistance, but we now see the dreaded "vulcanite disease" affecting cameras of ever-increasing age. Regards, Doug Richardson

From Nikon Mailing List: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 From: Larry Kopitnik [email protected] Subject: re: [NIKON] Who makes what > Also, I've long heard that Kyocera (manufacturer of most Zeiss lenses for > Contax) makes the 60 mm Micro Nikkor for Nikon. And I believe Cosina makes > the Nikkor-labeled lens that accompanies the FM10. I am sure the 60mm Micro-Nikkor is made by Nikon. Tamron does not list a 60mm lens on their web site. A couple of points ('tis my post to which you're responding). First, there's a difference between design and manufacture. I used "manufacture" and "make" throughout my original post. I absolutely do not believe that the the 28-200 Nikkor or 60 mm Nikkor are anything but original Nikon optical designs. In fact, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find that Nikon supplies the glass to those to whom they MIGHT outsource the manufacturing. By "manufacture" I mean make the mechanical assemblage and barrel and assemble all parts. That's what I have been told -- perhaps erroneously -- is outsourced to Tamron on the 70-300 and 28-200 Nikkors. My apologies if that meaning was not clear previously. Second, I didn't write that I'd heard 60 mm Nikkor manufacturing was outsourced to Tamron, but rather to Kyocera, manufacturer of Zeiss lenses for Contax. Kyocera does not design any of those Zeiss lenses. Zeiss lenses are designed in Germany by Zeiss. Rather, Kyocera manufactures the lenses to Zeiss design specifications and standards. This is what I've heard -- and yes, it certainly is possible that those who told me this were wrong -- Kyocera also does for Nikon with the 60 mm Micro Nikkor. (By the way, I'm far less certain that the 70-300 Nikkor is a Nikon design. Specifications are virtually identical to the Tamron lens. Cutaway drawings are identical. Though I'd bet that's Nikon-made glass in the Nikkor, as far as the optical design, as the colloquialism goes, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well....) Larry

From Rollei List: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] OT: Leicas, Rolleis & Gals [email protected] writes: > Hi RJ, are you just asking Herr Schregle, > or would you ask me as well ? > (I have SL 35 Rolleinars (except the 3.5/14, > the fat 28-80 and the 8/500 Reflex) if anybody > should care) Hi Jan, Melinda said the people she knew in the USA all owned Mamiyas or 'Blads. Herr Schregle jokingly responded saying that she committed the "ultimate sacrilege." I just wanted to know if Herr Schregle owned any Rolleinar lenses that were made by Mamiya. Do you have all of these Rolleinars: 21mm f/4; 28mm f/2.8; 35mm f/2.8; 50mm f/3.5 macro; 85mm f/2.8; 105mm f/2.8 macro; 105mm f/2.8; 135mm f/2.8; 200mm f/3.5; 50-250mm f/4-5.6 macro; 80-200mm f/2.8; 80-200mm f/4.0? R. J. Bender (A Nikon, Mamiya and Rollei user. ) mailto:[email protected] or mailto:[email protected]>BR> http://homepages.infoseek.com/~rbender/RS.htm

[Ed. note: regarding demise of Ricoh cameras] Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] OT: A great p&s -Ricoh GR1 > Sorry for the late reply. I note that they no longer available in the USA. There > were a couple of listings in eBay and they go for $350-$400. Some outfit in > London bought a batch of these and they run about $550 US. Judging by the > information available, they are a superlative camera. > > Roger Most recent Ricoh 35mm cameras were outsourced from Cosina and Goko. I would guess that this one is out of Cosina. For a short time in Japan you could buy just the lens in Leica mount, but they didn't make many and I think the supply has pretty well dried up. Everyone I know who owns or has used a GR-1 has had nothing but praise for it. Looks like Ricoh in the USA has decided to make their money on office copiers, since they are no longer selling any film cameras, just digital stuff. Bob

[Ed. note: Minolta screens in ?] Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rolleigrid Question > It is my understanding that the Hi-D screen which is standard in the 6008i > (and available as an option at about $235 for other 600x, E2/F and GX > cameras) IS the Accu-Matte screen. My further understanding is that it > isn't actually Hasselblad technology but licensed from Minolta (if I recall > correctly). The Hi-D screen is not the same as the Acute-Matte. Yes, Hasselblad buys the Acute-Matte screens from Minolta. Bob

From: "RainMeister" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Does Chinon really exist? Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 > Help! Can someone help me find Chinon America? I found their Japanese web site which may help you. It's in English. http://www.chinon.co.jp/faq/faq-e.htm

From Nikon Mailing List: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 From: John Albino [email protected] Subject: [NIKON] They ARE Tamrons The Nikkor 70-300 f/4-5.6 and the 28-200 that is. Some Nikon reps have quietly admitted as much to their larger customers. If the corresponding lenses are taken apart, the construction is exactly the same. Now I still think Nikon may design the lens, and subcontract the manufacture out to Tamron, along with a license to sell a Tamron version. If so, that doesn't make the lens a Tamron, since such outsourcing is a fact of life in every industry today. (For example, the laser printer engine in Hewlett-Packard LaserJets is made by Canon, probably with Chinese "slave labor" but it is still an "HP Laser Printer.) The cheap plastic Nikon lenses apparently are made by Cosina, and may have been designed and developed by Cosina (much as the FM-10 and FE-10 were). At least that's a common opinion on a wide variety of sources I've talked to recently. - -- John Albino mailto:[email protected] rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: "JB" [email protected] [1] Re: Focal Brand Lenses Date: Thu Jan 13 2000 Yes, K-Mart sold the Focal lenses. I don't know who actually made them, but the same lenses were sold by Montgomery? Ward under the brand name "Ozunon", and by Ritz Camera as "Quantaray." They're OK mechanically, but mediocre optically. The "MC" stands for "Multi-Coated", meaning the anti-reflective coating on the glass, and the mount is usually designated by a series of letters, such as "PK" for Pentax K, "N" or "N-AI\S" for Nikon, "OM" for Olympus, etc. I still have one of the Ward's versions in Pentax mount laying around that I haven't used in years. Since, as I recall, they were very inexpensive, they might be a decent value if you're not planning on doing any big enlargements. ....

From: [email protected] (Jsn234) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Pentax lenes vs the others Date: 13 Oct 1999 "I think that the 28-105 Pentax is made by Tamron. It looks identitical to the Tamron 28-105/4-5.6 -- a lens I was very disappointed with. I believe there is an older Pentax 28-105 that was/is? actually made by Pentax but the newer version is made by Tamron (and/or a Tamron design) for Pentax. This is not "expert" knowledge so for the skinny on this lens you might want to ask/call/e-mail someone at Pentax or at the Pentax Users Group (sorry - I don't have an URL, do a search on Yahoo! or some other search engine). Viva la Pentax!

From: [email protected] (John Francis) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Pentax lenes vs the others Date: 13 Oct 1999 .... >I only use Pentax lenses. I have used some Sigma and one >other brand. Within one year of purchase, all of the non >Pentax lenses were returned to the dealer. The Sigma lenses >in particular did not hold up. Just because it says "Pentax" on it doesn't mean it is made by Pentax. A few recent Pentax lenses have beed rebadged Tamrons, etc., with the Pentax lens coating (and a Pentax chip to transmit MTF information to bodies such as the PZ-1p). You can't judge a lens simply by the name on the side. Some Sigma, Tokina, Tamron, ... gear is excellent; some isn't. And some lenses that say Pentax (or Nikon, or Canon, ...) are rubbish. That's particularly true for the cheap low-end zooms often sold as part of a kit - avoid them like the plague......

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 From: Ari Pesonen [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Cosina! .... Don't kill the messenger. The Voigtländer name is owned by the German firms Ringfoto GmbH & Co. and Alfo Marketing KG and they began to relaunch the brand in 1997. You should tell _them_ not to let Cosina make their equipment but some more distinguished manufacturer. BTW, Sigma makes some lenses for Leica. http://www.voigtlaender.de/ AriP.

[Ed.note Surprise! - Sigma made Leica lenses, Kyocera (Contax/yashica) makes Leica lenses now, Sigma makes the hasselblad zoom, so if Sigma is good enough for Leica and Hasselblad, what about you? ;-)] [P.S. Mr. Bob Shell is a noted pro photographer and editor of Shutterbug] From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Cosina! Or more correctly, Sigma used to make lenses for Leica. Today the Japanese-made Leica lenses are from Kyocera. Sigma does make the Hasselblad zoom, though, and Fuji makes the Hasselblad X-Pan and lenses. Should we insist on not calling this stuff Leica and Hasselblad?? The truth is that it is no longer economically practical to make much photo gear in Germany. Bob

[Ed. note: Sigma strikes again, this time in Leica mounts!] From: [email protected] (Joe B.) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 Subject: Re: Sigma == Leica >John Stafford [email protected] wrote >> So, when you Leica chauvinists wax dreamily about the Very Special quality >> of Leitz lenses, do you know for a FACT whether your lens was not, in >fact, >> made by Sigma? I have noticed Leica users tend to be pretty well informed about the origin of the lenses they use. Everyone I have discussed this with knows perfectly well which is which. My Leica 28-70 zoom was made by Sigma, but with Leica specs and quality control and redesigned mechanics and different coatings. It felt very good to use, very well damped with a heavy mount, and optically was quite a nice lens but wasn't up to the standard of the other Leica lenses I had and I eventually sold it. The point is that Sigma is a big lens manufacturer and it makes lenses to order for other companies too, to other makers' specs. They don't just bang everything out like a regular Sigma lens or other makers would be very reluctant to use them. Joe B.

From: Bruce McLaughlin [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 Subject: Re: Sigma makes hassy zoom etc. Re: Hasselblad or Contax? Perhaps one of the principle reasons for not using Zeiss as a supplier for the zoom may be that Zeiss may not be able, or willing, to make a zoom lens. After all, Hassey turned to Schneider for its other zoom. Zeiss seems to have a rather selective interest in the market place, choosing to either not enter or choosing to exit a market segment. Zeiss and large format lenses is one example. Zeiss no longer make them. Zeiss and zoom lenses for TV cameras may be another. I don't believe it has ever made them (in contrast to Schneider and Fuji, Canon, et al.). Zeiss does make zooms for motion picture cameras though. Hassey can't buy from Zeiss if Zeiss is not interested in making a particular product and that may be the case in this instance. In any event, if Hassey is putting its name on another manufacturer's product, I'm sure it's smart enough to know it will be held responsible by the market for the quality. As is widely known, in recent years, more and more parts for Leica cameras (the SLRs in particular) are purchased from other sources rather than being made in house by Leica. So outsourcing is by no means unique. If the result is to turn a Rolls Royce into a junker, than the market will soon no longer be willing to pay Rolls Royce prices. Again, I'm sure Hasselbald is smart enough to realize that. If it isn't its competitors and customers will not be at all reticent about reminding them. But if it can increase efficiency while broadening its product base and maintaining highest quality, what's wrong with that? That is how one stays in business these days and no company can afford to ignore that.

From: "zip" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 Subject: Re: Sigma == Leica > Just for the record, by early, you must mean AFTER > the SL2 but before the current models.... > The Leicaflex, Leicaflex SL and SL2 were not made by > or with Minolta. The Current Model R8 is not made by Minolta. The only one lens Sigma ever made for Leitz is the pre 28-70mm/3.5-4.5 The current same lens is made by Kyocera.

From Leica Mailing List: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 From: "Frank Filippone" [email protected] Subject: RE: [Leica] Contax N1 I suggested some time back the combo of Contax and Leica as 1 company. There are a lot of ways NOT to mix corporate issues with cooperation. Just listen to what we know and what have been told...... Leica puts their name on Minolta Cameras, with some design from Leica, some Minolta... R series, Leica CL/CLE Leica has Minolta make lenses for them. Leica has Zeiss make lenses for them. Leica has Contax ( Yashica (Kyocera)) make lenses for them. Leica makes Point and shoot cameras.... I do not understand wher these come from, but I doubt Leica is making the cameras in their factories. Leica slaps their name on a Fuji . The President of Leica says that the company is heading for a MF camera... SO where does Leica have the $$$ ( that is also spelled huevos) to design and tool a bottoms up new camera when they are barely profitable? Contax MF camera is considered world class if for no other reason than Zeiss lenses... Does it take a big leap of faith to guess that the Contax MF cameras may be rebranded with Leica's name???? Ditto the scenario with some Fuji Camera, ala Hasselblad...... Match that scenario with a digital R9 camera...... maybe the Fuji digital with a R lensmount? I am on pins and needles waiting for Photokina, it should be real fun! Frank Filippone [email protected]

From the Leica Mailing List: Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 From: Jim Brick [email protected] Subject: [Leica] Re: xxx888 serial number Miro Jurcevic wrote: >I saw an R lense in a store yesterday, 24mm Elmarit, 3500888 Good lens. Optics by Minolta. I bought one in 1976 and used it until just last year. I now use my 24 ASPH. Jim

From Contax Mailing List: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 From: "Bob Shell" [email protected] Subject: [CONTAX] Zeiss and the N1 I wrote an e-mail yesterday to Zeiss asking why they didn't have the new lenses for the N1 on their web site yet and asking when they would have them up so we could see the optical diagrams and specifications. Here is their most useful reply. [g] Bob >Dear Mr. Shell, > >Thank you for your e-mail dated July 19, 2000. > >We can't tell you when we will have information and optical diagrams of the >new Contax N1, >because we don't know when we will get them. > >Please contact Yashica Kyocera directly. > >Best regards > >Carl Zeiss >GB Photoobjektive >Tel: +497364/20-6175 >Fax:+497364/20-4045 >[email protected]

From: Bill Tuthill [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 Subject: Re: Rumor has it Tamron makes Nikon's lens John Berenyi [email protected] wrote: > I heard from more than one source that Tamron makes Nikon's 28-200mm > optics. Is this true? No, I don't believe so. Tamron does produce, or did design, Nikon's 70-300mm f4.0-5.6 ED zoom. The older 75-300 was sharper but had worse ergonomics. Sorry for the serious answer.

From: [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 Subject: Re: Rumor has it Tamron makes Nikon's lens I remember I once read in a german magazine that Tamron (or Tokina?) makes a 28-200mm for Pentax. Winfried from Germany.

Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 From: "Brian Ellis" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Caltar lenses According to an interview in "View Camera" (I think it was) magazine several years ago, Calumet bids the contract for manufacturing Caltar lenses, with the low bidder getting the contract. I believe that it is usually, perhaps always, either Schneider or Rodenstock but I don't know how you tell which one made a particular lens. ...

Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 From: James Meckley [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Caltar lenses John Hicks wrote: > I _think_ the Caltar HR lenses were from Topcon. I know some were > once made by Topcon but I don't know the designation. > We had a 210 f5.6 that the Calumet guys identified as from Topcon; > it tested (by photographing objects) to be of around the same > performance as the '70s Synnar-S etc, iow, not bad but not quite as > good as current lenses. > Give Calumet a call, 1-800-CALUMET; they'll tell you more than you > ever wanted to know about the current and old lenses. John is correct; the Caltar lenses designated "HR" were made by Topcon. I owned a 210mm f/5.6 HR for a brief time, tested it, and sold it... not because it was bad (it wasn't), but because it was no better than what I had at the time, a Schneider Symmar-S MC. Jim Meckley

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Rollei] Cosina! The same power winder was sold under the Rollei name. When I took one apart once to repair a bad solder joint I was surprised to find the internal parts marked with the Canon logo! So who made what where is always a question. Bob >From: John Jensen >To: [email protected], [email protected] >Subject: Re[2]: [Rollei] Cosina! >Date: Thu, Feb 10, 2000, 8:45 AM > > Keeping to the Rollei subject, I have a Rollei SL 35SE coupled to a Voigtländer > power drive (film advance). Sounds incestuous, doesn't it? Both made > in Singapore, presumably in the Rollei factory there.

[Ed. note: Larry makes a good point, namely, the standards may be what they are; however, our point here is who makes what is often surprising!] From Nikon Mailing List: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 From: Larry Kopitnik [email protected] Subject: re: [NIKON] re: third party lenses...... The Sigma-made Leica lens, though (their 28-70 f/3.5-4.5) is made to Leica specifications, not Sigma specifications with, I hear, a high rejection rate. The Leica lens is of significantly better mechanical quality than its Sigma counterpart. I've also heard from a couple different sources that Kyocera manufactures the 60 mm Micro-Nikkor for Nikon. Larry

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Cosina, and unfortunate "garbage" remark No, the Praktica is in no way related to Cosina. Schneider owns the Praktica factory today and I ran into someone from the factory at PMA. He told me that they are down now to 25 employees and production has ceased on all products. The 25 still there do office work and rummage through the old warehouses to find stuff in good enough condition to sell. It is a sad end to a fine old camera company. The last Praktica cameras made were in the B series. These use a unique bayonet mount, so you are stuck with finding lenses made for them and these are very uncommon outside Germany. The top and bottom covers are plastic, but the main body casting is, as you note, aluminum alloy. The shutter is the Praktica L type and the recent ones are much better than the old ones. Bob .....

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] interesting new book Rudi Hillebrand just sent me his latest effort written with Gunther Kadlubek, called Kadlubek's Lens Catalogue. It has text in German, English and Japanese, and lists just about every photographic lens ever made. Since there has been discussion here over who makes what, it is nice to have a table of all Rollei, Rolleinar, Voigtlander, etc., lenses telling who actually made them, plus lots of other interesting info. This will be a must for collectors to own. It costs $ 16.95 plus postage. Info from [email protected]

Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 From: tom pfeiffer [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Focal Brand Lenses [email protected] wrote: > I'm a bit of a "newbie" and I have a question or two about Focal lenses. > > How can you tell by the designation on the lens whether or not it will > fit an AE-1? Does "MC" by any chance stand for "Mount-Canon"? And was > this brand associated with K-Mart? Are the lenses of "reasonable" > quality? Thanks in advance...... John Bauer Focal lenses were in fact sold by K-Mart. MC generally stands for meter coupled, although it also refers to pre-MD Minolta lenses as well. Tom P.

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 From: Bob Shell [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei SL 35 & lenses Some notes from personal experience as a dealer and authorized repairman for Rollei in those days. > SL 35 M made in Singapore black: > open aperture metering, microprism and cylinder lens > sucks (it's styled as a brick, looks rugged, but is not reliable) even if it > does work, compared to the SL350 you gain a frame counter that only > works, when a film is transported, and you loose the 1 second (1/2sec longest > speed) This camera is identical to the Zeiss Ikon SL706 with the Rollei QBM "reverse engineered" onto it and a minor change in film advance gearing to shorten the advance stroke. The repair manual issued by Rollei actually shows the ZI SL706 in most of the photos! This is part of what Rollei bought when ZI went out of the camera business in 1973. The top and bottom covers on the Rollei version are thin plastic and easily cracked. This camera was also sold as the Voigtlander VSL-1. In Germany it was sold with M-42 thread mount and the same meter coupling as the ZI SL706, and in the USA with Rollei QBM......

From Nikon Mailing List: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 From: "Jeff Kane" [email protected] Subject: Re: [NIKON] Nikon's letting other companies produce certain products It is a fact that Mamiya made the F for Nikon in 1962. While not exsactly a crowning achievment in SLR design, it didn't start the downfall of Nikon either. As long as Nikon stays behind the product, I don't have a problem with them deciding that someone else can do it better. Jeff

From: "Leen Koper" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Soligor 105mm Lens Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 The Soligor name -at least in Europe- has been bought by -I think a german company- someone else. The lenses they sell in Europe with the Soligor name on it, are Cosina lenses......

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 From: Ferdi Stutterheim [email protected] Subject: [Rollei] Samsung sells Rollei Fototechnic A newspaper in the Netherlands reported the sale by Samsung of Rollei Fototechnic to 'independent investors' . The paper added the company was well known for the Rolleiflex TLR used by all photo reporters in the fifties. It is obvious Rollei has some marketing work to do. Ferdi Stutterheim, Drachten, The Netherlands.

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 From: "J.P. van Dorssen" [email protected] Subject: [Rollei] New Ownership & Managementstructure Rollei Fototechnic Dear RUG-ers, In addition to my latest email about the retraction of Samsung out of Rollei Fototechnic in Braunschweig I send you (hot of the press) the official information about the new ownership & managementstructure of our beloved company. This information has been released today at 15:00 p.m. Best regards, Hans van Dorssen ======PRESS INFORMATION ======December 01, 1999 The traditional German company Rollei is independent again Just before its 80th anniversary, a change in the ownership was effected at the traditional manufacturer of camera equipment. A group of employees in leading positions took over the shares of the former shareholder Samsung after corresponding negotiations: Mr. Jürgen Fahlbusch (Sales RolleiMetric) Mr. Hans Hartje (Sales) Mr. Hansjürgen Hartung (Development) Mr. Klaus-Dieter Koss (Sales) Mr. Karl-Heinz Krings (Production) Mr. Roland Krüger (Development) After this Management Buy Out (MBO), Rollei is an independent Braunschweig based camera manufacturer again. Until the new managing directors are officially enrolled, Mr. Paul Dume and Mr. Youngmin Lee will run the business. All delivery agreements with Samsung remain untouched by this change. For the solid future business development of Rollei, the Korean group of companies is providing additional financial funds besides taking over financial obligations. The grounds, buildings and patents remain in the possession of Rollei. Samsung owned Rollei since 1995 and invested considerable amounts in the R & D centre as well as the city of Braunschweig and the Federal Province of Lower Saxony. In the course of the already effected reorganisation measures, agreed upon with the workers council, Rollei will continue to work with a total number of 171 employees as of February 29, 2000. Further measures concerning personnel going beyond this point are not planned.

[Ed. note: see Kino Precision Corp. (KIRON)...] From: "Mark Bergman" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Admiral/Panagor zoom: what is this, what do you think? Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 I can't remember the history of Panagor but they were (is?) made by a company that routinely made lenses for other more well known names (like Vivitar). They made a few lenses for sale under their own house name of Panagor. Back when I had Olympus I picked up a 55 & 105 macro lens by Panagor and they were very very good (as good or better as my 50F3.5 Zuiko Macro).

Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 From: [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Quantary Quanataray lenses ARE Ritz branded Sigma lenses. The few exceptions are the T-mount manual focus lenses like the 500mm you mentioned (made by Cosina), the 800-1200mm that is actually made by Kalimar, and the 500mm/1000mm preset that I am not sure about. I don't know who makes their teleconverters, I think THK (Tokina/Hoya/Kenko).

Date: 5 Nov 1999 From: Lawrence Woods [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Does Chinon really exist? Lawrence Woods [email protected] wrote: : Help! Can someone help me find Chinon America? : I have a ~6 year old Chinon camera that needs repair. Thanks to the folks who replied here and by mail. For the record, (and anyone looking this up on Deja in the future) it seems my only hope is Japan Camera Service 414 Bergen Blvd Palisades Park NJ 07650 (201) 944-9242 Evidently they inherited Chinon's spare parts when Chinon withdrew from the USA. They may or may not have parts for any given model. In my case, they said they had parts for a "Pocket Zoom" As for the person who suggested I get a replacement camera from a major brand, I can only agree. This was the only over $40 camera I have purchased since 1973 that wasn't an Olympus. Come to think of it, those under $40 models didn't hold up either, but usually because they got dropped by my kids. ----- [email protected]

Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 From: "Ron Walton" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: ProMaster Lenses .... >I went to one of the local photography shops and as I cannot afford >the Canon lenses in the focal length I want, they carry the Promaster >brand of lenses.... The Promaster brand lenses are made by various manufacturers. Up untill reacently they mostly were made by Sigma and Cosina. Most of the current Promasters are made by Tamron. The 100mm 3.5 macro is a Cosina product as is the 100mm 3.5 Vivitar. If you're looking for something such as a 28-105 zoom you can get a gray market Canon USM from B&H or Adorama for not much more than you will pay for a Sigma or Promaster. Ron Walton Visit the BPC http://www.bpc.photographer.org

From Rollei Mailing LIst: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Rollei] Cosina! Sigma had their lenses in QBM for Rollei. Tamron had adaptall mounts for Rollei. Makina, after failing Rollei QC, sold the lenses in QBM under their name. ENNA Werk in Munich made a full line of lenses in QBM which were sold in the USA by Silogram. And I think there were a few others. By the time of the SL35E, Rollei had finally gotten it right on a 35mm SLR but it was just too late. I think the lens companies expected it to sell better than it did and so they tooled up to make lenses for it. Bob

Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 From: "Chris Lee" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Why doesn't Nikon make any Medium format gear? I would. Kyocera or Zeiss, who makes it doesn't matter so long as the cameras are of high quality. In fact, I think Kyocera is doing a better job and leading more innovations than Zeiss was in the last days of Zeiss Ikon. Neither do I think Zeiss has enough resources and expertise in producing a modern camera if it chooses to do so again. The partnership has only benefited the two parties as well as consumers. Kyocera is a very well respected company in the area of materials and electronics engineering. It's a materials and electronics conglomerate, and camera sales account for only about 10% of total revenue. It's a very well managed company whose success story has been published in the form of two Harvard Business School case studies, and founder and ex-CEO has received four honorary PhDs for his innovative management. Kyocera never intended to hide the identity of the modern day Contax marquee. Go to www.contaxcameras.com and you'll see KYOCERA on the top right. ------Brian Ellis [email protected] wrote: > Interesting point. I've often wondered how many people would pay Contax prices > if Kyocera put its own name on the camera instead of latching onto a name that > used to represent one of the great cameras and camera companies in the world > and sticking it on their cameras. Brian > > Bob Salomon wrote: > >> Perhaps you really meant to say Kyocera who makes both. Yashica as a camera >> manufacturer has not existed in years. But the name does. >> -- >> >> HP Marketing Corp. U.S. distributor for Amazon, Braun, Gepe, Giottos, >> Heliopan, HP Combi Plan T, Kaiser fototechnik, KoPho cases, Linhof, Pro >> Release, Rimowa, Rodenstock, Sirostar 2000 ....

Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 From: geoff/camera tech [email protected] To: @iList.net Subject: Re: [BRONICA] Re: bronica-digest V1 #113 >>Edwin, >> >>Long live NIKON !!!! >> >>Would but they made a medium format set-up... >> >> >>Regards >> >>Kevin >> > >Now that would be intriguing to see Nikon make a medium format setup. I >imagine that they might try for the overcrowded 645 market if they were to >actually attempt such a thing as that is where the technology that Nikon has >for 35mm could best be applied but I'm not holding my breath for it. What I >really wouldn't mind seeing is Nikon making some lenses for the Bronica >bodies but given that Tamron is owner of Bronica and competitor to Nikon in >the 35mm lens market, not likely to happen. BTW is it really true that Sony >is a major shareholder of Tamron? Nikon does not walk on water either. Before tooting Nikons horn for them check this out. The stuff they put out now bears no resemblance to the quality and durability of the stuff they built their name on. Hardly anyone else does either, they are all cutting quality to cut costs. Have you noticed the Yen is in a nose dive and has been for quite sometime. Turn one of those precious Nikkors over and you will discover many of them stamped "made in Malaysia". Nikon also has no corner on technology. They would just like you to think so. They made much more money making the machines that make computer chips, till the world chip market went in the dumper a year or so back. They were converting camera production facilities to chip machine making plants faster than you could shake a Nikkor. They now are now in full reverse since the chip market is down the tubes. Nikon is owned by Mitsubishi Industries. They were the biggest Japanese Military industrial complex supplier to the Japanese war effort in WW II. Yes Sony is a major stock holder of Tamron, this came from number three in the company. Tamron makes all Sony's lenses from consumer grade camcorders to broadcast quality optics. Tamron is one of the worlds largest lens makers. They make lenses for the big five, Nikon, Canon, Minolta, Pentax among others. The worm has turned Bronica now makes lenses for Nikon. Of course none of them will cop to this. These agreements are very hush hush. You scratch my back I will scratch yours. In many cases no money changes hands in these deals. Technology is traded. I will give you rights to my patent if you give me rights to yours. Many of the once venerable Japanese camera companies now sub out their production to other contractors that maintain production facilities in cheap labor markets such as Malaysia, Taiwan, and China among others, where cheap labor and sweat shops are common and the environmental regulations are minimal to non existent. Ever heard of Love Canal or Minimata? Ever notice that some of Tamrons high end optics are almost identical in design optically to those sold under other brand names? Look at the 300 2.8 lenses on the market. The only variance is cosmetics and price. You get raped for it under the brand name. You are not paying for product, you are paying for heavy hitting and very expensive ad campaigns. Keep this in mind the next time you open one of those beautifully printed product brochures they give you by the gross ton at every camera show. Along with a free wheel barrel to haul them around in. The money to drive all this comes from somewhere, guess where? So reach ever deeper in your pockets for that next lens that will be half the quality of materials and construction for twice the price of the one you bought the year before for half the price. Best regards, geoff/camera tech 2308 Taraval St. S.F.,CA 94116 USA UNDERWATER PHOTO/VIDEO SALES-REPAIRS-RENTALS Bronica western regional factory service center (415)242-1700 Fax (415)242-1719 email: [email protected] web site: http://www.cameratech.com

Date: 26 Mar 1999 From: [email protected] (Ryan Hare) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Promaster 60-300 f4-5.6 Apparently, this lens is really a Vivitar with the Promaster label on it. Any thoughts on the quality of this lens? I found one used, asking price is $149. All comments appreciated!!!! Ryan

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 From: [email protected] (Lou Caputo) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Pentax A Lenses "JRiegle" [email protected] wrote: > I have a CPC Phase 2 35-70 f4 MC lens. I looked it up in a '86 photo buyers > guide which said "CPC, Combined Products Corp., was related to Cosmicar > which was a Pentax subsidiary. I can't remember, but I think they said CPC > was a distributor. The zooms were made in Japan and the primes were made > elsewhere (Taiwan?). The lens is the sharpest zoom I have used. At 35mm it > equals many primes I've used.. . . I agree. I use it more than any other lens in my collection. Remarkably sharp throughout the zoom range. -- Lou Caputo [email protected]

From: [email protected] (JAdler444) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Spiratone lense: Any experience ??? Date: 31 May 1999 Most Spiratone lenses were made by either Sun Optical or Sigma. Your best bet woul dbe to leave a substantial deposit with the seller so you could test the lens. Alternatively you could buy it with a money back guarantee for X number of days. If you test it make sure to use a solid . More sharpness is lost with long lenses due to camera shake than to poor lens resolution. Jeff

[Ed. note: how about a Sigma zoom for Hasselblad?] From Contax Mailing List; Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 From: "Bob Shell" [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] important info Who says it is made by Kyocera? I have it on good authority that it comes from Sigma. Bob ------>From: André Oldani [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CONTAX] important info >Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000, 2:29 PM > > Hassi has > recently introduced a zoom lens for their 200 series that was not built by > CZ but KYOCERA. It was rated as one of the best (the best?) zoom lenses ever > made.

From Contax Mailing List; Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 From: "Bob Shell" [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] important info According to my friends in Solms the 80 - 200 f/4 was designed by them and is built for them by Kyocera. So that part is right. Also according to them they no longer source any lenses from Sigma or Minolta. So that part is wrong. Bob ------>From: André Oldani [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CONTAX] important info >Date: Thu, Apr 20, 2000, 3:26 AM >

> Oh by the way and just for fun it's also claimed that the often praised > Leica Vario-Elmar 4,0/80-200 is calculated in Solms but build in the > Kyocera/Yashica plant in Northern Japan. The Leica Vario-Elmar 28-70 is > built by Sigma in Aizu/Japan. (source fotomag 02/2000) > > Seems to be the alike strategy as for our CZ lenses. > > André

From Pentax Mailing List; Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 To: [email protected] From: George Stanley [email protected] Subject: Re: Soligor lenses you wrote: >Anyone has some kind of experience with Soligor lenses? How do they perform? >Regards Here in the US, "soligor" was a lens trade name used by a photo products importer named Allied Impex Corp, a firm that also had a major investment in a Japanese SLR manufacturer-- the "Miranda" cameras. When Miranda failed in the late 1970's, Allied Impex also went into bankruptcy. Subsequently the Soligor name was sold to some European interests, and for a short while, the name appeared there on cameras and lenses. All the Soligor lenses were made by a variety of Japanese lens makers, just like the "Vivitar" and "spiratone" lenses of that era. Most were pretty good. Sone were not. So-- be carefull! --George Stanley, Studio City, Ca., USA

[Ed.note: Mamiya's Nikkorex cameras and lenses made for Nikon label early on...] From Nikon MF Mailing List: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 From: Rick Housh [email protected] Subject: Re: Speaking of Mamiya Steven K Witt wrote: >Ok. so the Nikkorex was it? Were there any others? Oh and yes, unfortunately >the Nikkorex was a Nikon branded camera... Dark moment in Nikon's history.... While the Nikkorex was obviously not up to the quality standards of the other Nikon cameras at the time, I don't know I'd say it was as bad as all that. After all, the Nikkorex introduced the vertical travel Copal Square shutter that allowed at 1/125 second became the basis for the and subsequent Nikon designs. It was the first vertical travel shutter in any interchangeable lens SLR camera. Less well known is the fact that Mamiya produced a couple of Nikon branded lenses in the F mount, ostensibly for use with the Nikkorex, but which also fit any Nikon with an F mount. These were the Sekor Nikkorex 35mm f/2.8, and the Sekor Nikkorex 135mm f/2.8. Very few of each were made. These lenses had a semi-automatic diaphragm, i.e. the aperture closed when the shutter release was depressed but had a lever which had to be manually operated to reopen the diaphragm after it was released. The aperture ring had a lock with a button which had to be depressed to change the f/stop. If you care to look, images of these lenses are at: 35mm - http://home.swbell.net/houshr/sekor3v.jpg 135mm - http://home.swbell.net/houshr/135nikkorex.jpg The 35mm is a direct scan of my own lens. The 135mm is a photo recently downloaded from eBay. These were not the same as the Rikenon lenses produced later by Ricoh for use with its own Ricoh Singlex Reflex with the Nikon F mount or with the Sears (Roebuck) SL-11 SLR with the Nikon F mount (a rebadged Ricoh Singlex). Not to be confused with similar Ricoh Singlex and Sears SLR cameras and matching lenses with Pentax mount. - Rick Housh -

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei Prego Micron = Ricoh ? .... > Jan, with respect to Ricoh GR-1. Is it made by Consina (sp?)? Why is > that model only sold outside the US if is were so popular? It is only sold outside the US because Ricoh USA decided last year to only sell digital cameras. They sell no film cameras of any sort in the USA. Bob

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei Prego Micron = Ricoh ? .... > Are all Rollei-prego Point and Shoot cameras made by Ricoh ? No. There was one model which was built by Ricoh in the past, but the Rollei version had a different lens. Unless it has changed with the recent sale of Rollei, all of the point and shoot Rollei cameras are made by Samsung. Bob

From Contax Mailing List: Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 From: "Bob Shell" [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] T2/ standing up for the Stylus Keppler knows all. Or at least more than any other one man (or woman) I know in this business. I always respect his opinions. Shhhhhhhhhh. Don't tell anyone, but I have heard from a reliable source that the original Olympus Infinity Stylus is actually OEM made for Olympus by Kyocera. Bob .... > The editor of Popular Photography (H.Kepler ?? sp??) wrote about > The "third camera you should take" (the 2nd as backup SLR body and > the 3rd as "good P&S capable to autofocus in low light"), he chose > Olympus Stylus as the one, (with one more option of choice I forgot) > having either passive or active autofocus mechanism. I forgot which > was which, but only 2 models of P&S passes this criteria and that was > why he chose it as the best 3rd camera to carry.

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: Rollei Micron I don't think Samsung made any of the Ricoh cameras, and the Micron is made in Japan, not Korea. All of the recent Ricoh SLR cameras have been rebadged Cosinas, so this may have come from Cosina as well. Bob

From Rollei Mailing List; Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Our Sister List > There seems to me anyway to be a lot more gear available for photogs to > play with compared to the old days. May be it was that photogs had to be > more inventive then compared to now. For example.... I recall seeing my > first 300/2.8. It was a Topcon lems with a Nikon mount and weighed a 'ton". > I am not sure if it was 'bashed' or if it was avaliable with the N mount > from Topcon. Nowadays many if not most of the 35mm SLR cameras have a > 300/2.8 lens or equivalent in their line. Furthermore, AF, particularly the > specifc electronic couplings, e.g., chip in the lens, has made 'bashing' > less practical. At least LF photogs have a great range in optics choice and > are not stuck primarily with the range provided by the OEM. Topcon used to build really first rate pro cameras in their D series. They offered the first add-on motor winder for any 35mm SLR. They were innovative and quality conscious, but hampered by really bad marketing, particularly in the USA. After Beseler dropped the line they just sort of fell apart here. Toward the end they were reduced to making rather generic Pentax K mount cameras sold under house brand names by Ritz and Cambridge. I don't think they ever offered that 300mm f/2.8 in anything other than Topcon D mount, which was a modified mount. The one you saw had probably been "Forscherized" in NYC. Marty's people could make practically anything fit practically anything if you could afford their prices. These days Marty is semi- retired and works for NPC designing Polaroid backs and other gadgets. But he still gets a wistful look in his eyes and a smile on his face when I bring up the old days to him. Bob

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: Rollei Users list digest V8 #19 Well of course it was made in the old Kilfitt factory. All Zoomar lenses were. Zoomar bought the Kilfitt factory. This is the first I've heard of a Kilfitt/Zoomar adapter for Hasselblad 2000FC. When was the 2000FC introduced? I thought it was well after Zoomar went bust and the factory was closed. Bob ......

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] OT Angenieux What mount? Vintage? Interestingly, just a moment ago I got the latest newsletter from Zeiss and it announces a joint venture with Angenieux on lenses for shooting digital movies. Zeiss has the primes and Angenieux the zooms for shooting movies on 35mm, so they went in together to develop this adapter to use the lenses on digital movie cameras. Must be some adapter, twelve elements!! They also announce that the official photos of the recent English royal wedding were taken with Zeiss 60mm f/3.5 lenses on a bank of Hasselblads, one fitted with a digital back, and say this lens achieves 250lpmm resolution!! Bob

From Contax Mailing List: Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 From: "Bob Shell" [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] New camera soon Glad to be back! I had to go up to Long Island to the annual PMDA golf tournament since Shutterbug is a sponsor. I don't play myself, but I'm good at watching and heckling the real golfers. This year our team came in second with a score of 87. I thought this was darned good since the team that beat ours by one stroke was from Golf Digest magazine!!!! There were teams from all the photo companies. Contax had a foursome of two of their execs and two dealers, and Canon and Nikon did the same. Also Minolta was there. Olympus was absent. Then there were magazine teams from National Geographic, Popular Science, Newsweek, and many others as well as the photo magazines. It was a fun day, but very cool and breezy. I hadn't brought a jacket since it is usually hot this time of year in LI, so I borrowed one. Good thing we planned it for a Monday since it rained buckets on Tuesday!! Tuesday and Wednesday we visited photo companies. Schneider and RTS on Tuesday, and Hasselblad, Mamiya and Fuji on Wednesday. Schneider is designing and making some lenses in the USA now, BTW. I didn't know that. Bob

From Nikon Mailing List: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 From: Alexander [email protected] Subject: Re: [NIKON] Re: Lens Question you wrote: >Of course, there may be no connection between the current owners of the >brand name and those that owned some years ago. In any case, the lenses >are manufactured in Japan. > >Jim no no no no, my soligor was most certainly made in Germany. Are you sure about that. Could there have been 2 production places. [Ed. note: tip from Martin Ambuhl on websites: http://www.soligor.com/ http://www.soligor.de/ ...]

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 From: dlanor [email protected] To: Robert Monaghan [email protected] Subject: Zunow / Teraoka Robert, Thanks for your info and further screens which are of help. Further to this, I've added some more comments.... >> Zunow Multi-C 80-200 f4.5 Zoom Macro lens >>f4.5-22, A; Canon Breech mount

>don't have data on Zunow, my guess is an importer label for >Australian importers, .... >EBAY - no zunow listed in lens sales (10,000+listings) >isn't common in USA market, points to local import label. >probably similar to another generic mfger third party lens >track them down to a particular model by issues like filter size, >weight, zoom range, features. When you searched ebay, was this using the standard Search facility offerred in the header of the ebay.com screens? or is there another way to search ebay more thoroughly? ******* ZUNOW **** >>Zunow SLR,... other makes having Zunow lens, >>eg "TERAOKA SEIKOSHO CO. LTD" Optika camera further info on Zunow. They made the first lens for the Orion Miranda T cameras of 1954, also provided lens for Nikon, Leica, Canon rangefinder cameras amongst others. www.cameraquest. com/zunow.htm provides info. http://homepage1.nifty.com/~sp5/nkslens/zunow110.htm shows Zunow 5cm f1.1 on Nikon rf. A Zunow SLR recently sold on ebay for about $usa 5,000 . A friend sold a Zunow SLR instruction booklet for $usa 400+. Also in April, HALINA 44 Twin lens reflex, f2.8 60mm Zunow lens, sold GBP 90.00 (12 bids) T'would appear this little under resourced company had some star moments and had tentacles far and wide? >T.S. probably made the lenses, or a subcontractor, >with Zunow import label? .... I don't have listing for T.S. >http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/optika.html Optika camera Nice looking, interesting camera, made by MUSASHINO KOKI Japan, became WISTA, according to McKeown's Guide. Nothing like the TERAOKA SEIKOSHO Optika I mentioned, 35mm viewfinder camera roughly similar to rigid retinettes/ agfa optimas etc. It was on ebay, sold for $usa 318, April 2000; Zunow 4.5cmf1.8 lens, spring wound, from late 1950's. ********* TERAOKA SEIKOSHO Terry Hardy in UK advised me he had an article in "Photographica World" in 1999? While TS cameras are not common, they show up in the UK, apparently TS made cameras called Auto Terra and changed the name to Optika towards the ends of their short existence. Another person mentions that TS is in Sugiyama's "Collector's Guide to Japanese Cameras". Made 1951 - 66, 10 models ranging from uncommon to extremely rare, but no mention of the Optika name. The TS Optika I saw on ebay was very much like the TS Auto Terra. >list of mfgers http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/third/mfg.html >firms merged and split etc. ;-) ....best list I've seen published. Very impressive list, which I will no doubt visit from time to time, thank you for your effort. The plot thickens, or thinnens into degradation? Ron Ligtermoet [email protected] Australia

[Ed. note: Thanks to John for sharing these notes on Hoya's lenses!...] Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 From: John Kuraoka [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Some info about Hoya HMC lenses, circa 1981 Bob, Your site is a great resource. Here's something that might be of use to you and your readers: some more information about Hoya HMC lenses. I may be one of the few people in the U.S. who has actually owned Hoya HMC lenses (the HMC, of course, refers to Hoya Multi-Coating). I bought them used, but they came with all their paperwork. They were a 35- 75/4 Macro and an 80-200/4 from the early 1980s (the original sales receipts, from a camera shop in Croyden Surrey, England, were dated 27 October 1981). They were optically and mechanically very good; indeed, they were built like tanks and were two of the few third-party zooms I've used that were neutral in color. Sharpness was quite good, as I recall. Both lenses took 55mm filters. The "macro" on the 35-75 was a paltry 1:5.2 or so with a special macro mode setting; the minimum focus on the 80-200 was so distant as to be a bother. I eventually sold them both. A brochure titled Hoya Worldwide Service Centers & Authorized Distributors, dated 12/80, lists distributors and service centers in 74 nations including the U.S. (Uniphot-Levit Corp, Woodside, NY). Interestingly, their German distributor was Hamaphot KG and their distributor was Fuji Photo Products, Inc. A small, glossy brochure dated 2/81 reveals an extensive lens line: 24/2.8, 28/2.8, 35/2.8, 135/2.8, 200/3.5, 300/5.6, 400/5.6, 28-85/4, 35-75/4 Macro, 70-150/3.8, 75-205/4 Macro, 75-260/4.5 Macro, 80-200/4, and a 100-300/5.6 Close-Focus. No variable-aperture zooms listed. This list matches up pretty well with Tokina's offerings of the same vintage, although who made what for whom is unclear. It seems likely to me that Hoya made its own glass, with Tokina as a partner in the actual manufacturing, although this is speculation on my part. The last piece of paperwork is a guarantee card showing that Hoya offered a generous five-year warranty on their lenses. It has long since expired. Regards, -- John Kuraoka

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: OT Minox Although you may not know the name, Goko may well be the world's largest maker of cameras. They make nearly all of Nikon's point and shoot, and many for Minolta, Olympus, Pentax, etc., etc. Mr. Goto, the owner and founder, is at all of the major photo shows drumming up business. Yes, Goko has factories in Malaysia, Indonesia, Macau, Taiwan, Mainland China, all over the far east. Bob

From: [email protected] (R. Peters) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 Subject: Re: Congo Lenses The Asrogon lenses were imported by Burleigh Brooks. Everything they imported for their business had the prefix "Astro" whatever. bob

From: [email protected] (Michael Gudzinowicz) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Date: 16 Jul 2000 Subject: Re: Congo Lenses Phil Tobias [email protected] wrote: >Michael: > They are usable, but not a good buy. The Yamasaki / Congo / Osaka / Astrogon >/ Astronar lenses > > Do you know who imported or sold the Astrogon or Astronar versions? > We were conjecturing about that here the other day. There were many guesses, >but no real answers. > Since you're more familiar with these lenses than most, do you know any of >the history in the US market? The "Astro*s" are the older Yamasaki lenses, the Congos are the current Yamaski models (or names), and Osaka lenses are Congo lenses imported by Bromwell.

From Contax Mailing List: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] Which Tripod & Head? In Germany they are sold under the Rollei name, and in some other countries under the name of the company which makes them, Berlebach. They used to be part of VEB Pentacon. Bob > From: "Philip Coghlan" [email protected] > Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CONTAX] Which Tripod & Head? > > Is there a European/UK distributor for Bromwell? I haven't heard of them.

From: Bob Salomon [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 Subject: Re: Can Anyone Identify this Screw-Mount Soligor Lens Soligor was the OAEM name for Interstate Marketing Corp. whose owners (The Silverman brothers) were the owners of the Miranda factory in Japan as well as being the Miranda distributor in the US. Since Soligor and Miranda had common ownership anything is possible. -- www.hpmarketingcorp.com for links to our suppliers HP Marketing Corp. U.S. distributor for Braun, Gepe, Giottos, Heliopan, HP Combi Plan T, Kaiser fototechnik, KoPho cases, Linhof, Pro Release, Rimowa, Rodenstock, Sirostar 2000, Tetenal Ink Jet Papers

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] MF Nikon This has been the situation with Nikon as long as I have been in the business. Nothing new. They are a small company with limited production capability, and they work to fill orders as rapidly as possible while still maintaining their tight quality control. Why they have not enlarged production capacity to meet increased demand is a mystery to us all. Bob ...

Date: 06 Oct 2000 From: [email protected] (Rick Walker) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: "Access" brand lenses? >How did these lenses perform? >Where were they made? >And what happened to them? > >-Kevin They were store branded lenses of average quality. There used to be a line of lenses called "Soligor" that were popular in the seventies and early eighties - Access lenses came from the same manufacturer. At least this was the case in the mid-eighties - there may have been a change to a different manufacturer after that. I used to work in a camera shop that sold them. We made huge bonuses when we sold the Access lenses and tiny ones when we sold Vivitars, Tamrons, and Tokinas (the difference was frequently 20-40x in terms of the bonus). Our store's cost on the Access lenses was much lower than the other lenses, but we sold them at higher prices. Kind of disgusting. Why the store brand name? That way shoppers couldn't directly price compare these lenses with the mail order stores (or other retail stores in the area) and see that they were getting gouged. I guess if you find one very cheap, they're fine. The more mainstream lenses are of better optical quality in general. Rick

Date: 11 Oct 2000 From: [email protected] (Darrell A. Larose) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.misc Subject: Re: AFTERMARKET LENS SUCK!!! Let's see Tamron makes the AF-Nikkor 28-200, Back in 1982 Tokina made the 35~105 for Minolta, Samsung made the last version of the X-700. Cosina made the Nikon FE-10/FM-10, Olympus OM-2000 Vivitar V2000,V3000, and V4000, and they made the Canon T-60! There is far more outsourcing than most people realize. How do you know if Canon makes everything that they put their name on? The T-60 was a Canon, that wasn't ....

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 From: "ryujin" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Komuranon Lens It's a Japanese lens maker, komura lens company. I can find their lenses in a camera and lens white paper in 1979. But I cannot find their name in resorces in 1980'. In the book, I found KMC komuranon 28mm F2.5 KMC komuranon 135mm F2.5 KMC komuranon 200mm F3.5 KMC komuranon 300mm F4.5 KMC komuranon zoom 35-70mm F3.5-4.5 KMC komuranon zoom macro715 75-150mm F4.5 According to test charts about them, their optical qualities are acceptable. Ryujin

[Ed. note: Impressed by those photos in the lens and camera ads? Maybe you shouldn't be, they could have been made by a competitors camera - even MF or LF!] Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 From: Tony Polson [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.misc Subject: Re: Outdoor Photography LoveThePenguin [email protected] wrote: > Check out the Nikon and Tokina ads > using the same photo > and > claiming it was their lens. > Boy, I'll bet they're embarassed. This is not the first time this has happened. I have seen an advert (by a lens manufacturer) which used a stock photo that I know for a fact was taken with an OEM lens. The advertiser did not claim that the photo was taken with their lens, however readers of the advert could be expected to make that assumption. -- Tony Polson, North Yorkshire, UK

From Contax Mailing List; Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] Kinoptik lenses I don't know if Kinoptik lenses are still made. They used to be distributed in the USA by Heitz, the same company which distributed Alpa and Gitzo. Alpa went out of business and they lost Gitzo, and they seem to be only a repair service these days. When I was a dealer for Heitz products back in the mid 70s they carried a whole line of Kinoptik lenses, many of them Apochromats. I had the 100mm f/2 and the 150mm f/2.8. Unfortunately, because they were symmetrical designs, the lenses were very big and heavy. The 150mm f/2.8 Kinoptik Apochromat was bigger and much heavier than the Zeiss 180mm f/2.8 ! I sold the 150 ages ago, but could not bring myself to part with the 100. Every now and then I dust off my old Alpa 6c and shoot a few rolls with this lens. I shot with it in the 70s are still among the sharpest images in my files. Bob > From: Kravcar Bostjan SENP [email protected] > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 > Subject: [CONTAX] Kinoptik lenses > > Bob ! > > Do you have any first hand information about prices of present Kinoptik lens > lineup ? According to very scarce information on the web these top notch > French glass can make even Leica and Zeiss lenses to blush. Are they really > so superior ? > > My regards > > Sebastian

From Contax Mailing List: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] Re: Ziess Jena, ZEISS, ok? This is not always true of lenses sold in the USA. Due to trademark fights between Zeiss in West Germany and Zeiss in East Germany, many Zeiss Jena lenses sold in the USA did not bear the Carl Zeiss Jena names. Some just said CZJ, and when Zeiss West challenged that they were changed to just read "aus Jena" (from Jena). Same is true for the Sonnar name, as some lenses were only marked CZJ - S or aus Jena - S when the courts ruled that the Sonnar name belonged to Zeiss West. Bob

[Ed. note: Alpa is a highly regarded camera and lens name...] From Contax Mailing List: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 From: [email protected] Subject: [CONTAX] Kinoptic lenses/Alpa > Bob Shell wrote: >They used to be distributed > in the USA by Heitz, the same company which distributed Alpa and Gitzo. > Alpa went out of business and they lost Gitzo, and they seem to be only a > repair service these days. Bob, actually it seems that the Alpa brand was recently bought by some Germans and they have come up with a new model, check http://www.alpa.ch It uses among other jewels a specially designed Carl Zeiss Biogon 4.5/38. In the web site they do not mention any new Kinoptiks though. Gonzo

From Contax Mailing List; Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] Kinoptic lenses/Alpa Actually, Capaul and Weber, who make the new Alpa medium format cameras have no relation at all to the former Pignons SA which made the Alpa 35mm cameras. When the man who had been the driving force behind the Alpa camera at Pignons died, the company floundered for a while before going bankrupt. At the bankruptcy auction Capaul and Weber, who were fans of the marque, bought the name and trademark. But that's all they bought. Others bought the parts inventory, tools, etc. So the new camera, which is actually made by Seitz in Switzerland, only has the Alpa name. This is no criticism of the camera, which seems to be darned well made. Roger Hicks and his wife Frances Schultz each have one and they make lovely photos. Bob ...

From Leica Mailing List: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 From: Ray Moth [email protected] Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Leitz NJ- poor service Maciver2 wrote: Jim Brick tells us that the Minilux is "not a really a Leica. It is a rebadged Japanese camera." (snip) ======AFAIK, the Mini Zoom and Z2X P&S cameras were made by Matsushita - don't know about the Minilux. The lens of the Mini Zoom (which I have) is supposed to be made by Leica, though. It produces very pleasing results so long as I avoid subjects likely to induce flare, to which this lens seems very prone. Regards, Ray

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] OT: Lab Prints (was Condenser vs.DiffusionEnlargerHeads) ..... Actually, the name was bought by Haking in Hong Kong when GAF got out of the photographic business. At the time they promised to continue the films and photo papers, but like so many such promises nothing ever happened on this. Nowadays they put the Ansco name on some point and shoot cameras. Bob

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: who made 35mm Rolleinar lenses? > From: "Max Tam" [email protected] > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 > To: "Rollei mailing list" [email protected] > Subject: [Rollei] Re: who made 35mm Rolleinar lenses? > > Looking at the catalogue that I have for the 3003, the 28-105 zoom is > identical to a Vivitar zoom that I have seen before, and the 80-200mm f2.8 > seems very similar in its built and lens construction to the Tamron SP zoom > of the same era. Both these lenses have HFT coating as well. Vivitar does not make lenses. It is just a marketing name owned by an American company. The best of the Vivitar lenses were made by Kino Precision, and were also sold under the Kiron name. I think Kino made some lenses for Rollei. > Can I assume that the MC Rolleinar lenses were all made by Mamiya (or > Tokina) and the HFT coated ones by other manufacturers? I also cannot > understand why Rollei took the trouble to do the HFT coating for these > lenses; the transport and manufacturing costs would simply make these lenses > unaffordable. Rollei did HFT coating in Germany and also in Singapore. They may well have licensed the process to companies making lenses for them. No, it would make no sense to ship lens elements to Germany or Singapore just for multicoating. Bob

From Contax Mailing List: Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] Apochromats > From: "David L. Powell Ph. D." [email protected] > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CONTAX] Apochromats > > so, you see, at least i came to the Carl Zeiss lenses honestly. btw, i also > had a Schniedar ( Sp.? ) 135mm that was very fine; Alpha had the finest > lens makers in Europe right on line, but they blew it big time, --- sad, > really. Alpa's strength and its main problem were the same, the man running the company. His name was Bourgeous, I think. I'm probably spelling it wrong. Anyway, the camera was his idea. He first went to Jacques Bolsey to design a camera for him, and the earliest ones are 100% Bolsey design. The oldest Alpa cameras had BOTH SLR viewing and a coupled optical rangefinder/viewfinder. The idea was that you could use whichever was best for the job at hand. This overly complex design was dropped after only a few models and the rangefinder was replaced with an optical viewfinder. I still have an Alpa 5b which has both SLR viewing by means of a 45 degree prism finder and an eye level optical viewfinder. You can do focusing with the SLR viewfinder and switch to the optical viewfinder for following fast action! In the late 70s Alpa joined forces with Chinon and had this Japanese firm build a camera called the Alpa si2000 for them. In a total departure from their past this camera had a standard M42 screw mount and its own set of lenses. This was a complete marketing disaster for the company since these cameras simply were not up to Alpa standards. Because Karl Heitz refused to sell this stuff in the USA (a wise decision), Alpa changed distribution to a new company called TAG (The Alpa Group) made up of some ex-Berkey Photo people. They made a valiant try with the products, but went bust in a little over a year. The Chinon cameras were abandoned and Alpa went back to Heitz for USA distribution. They never were the same after the debacle. Even though the 11si, the last of the line, was a far better camera than its predecessors it was a dated design and just could not compete, particularly at its very high price. Bob

From Rollei Mailing List; Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Circular Polarizers Good suggestion. I don't know what, if any, difference it will make in distribution, but Lindahl was just bought by Photo Control Corp. They are the parent company of Norman flash and a handful of other products. The bellows lens hood I use in the studio is the one from Sailwind. It is all metal construction (except for the bellows itself) and quite rugged. Unlike some designs it has two filter slots so you can use two filters at the same time. Sailwind also offers an extension bellows which clips onto the front and is nice when using long lenses. Bob

From Rollei Mailing LIst: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 From: Marc James Small [email protected] Subject: RE: [Rollei] Super long Rollei SLR lens for birding and more. you wrote: >Perkin-Elmer? Wow, have not heard that name in a while. They are very much still around and about, though they may have merged with someone else. They do most of the exotic optics for NASA. That's why they got out of consumer optics, as did SOM Berthiot and Olde Delft and Kilfitt/Zoomar: the demand for government glass got to be too great! Best, Marc [email protected]

From Manual Minolta List: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 From: "Franka T LIEU" [email protected] Subject: Re: Kalimar > I just stumbled across a website advertising this brand - > cameras, lenses, binoculars. They had two lines of cameras, > one with a Pentax mount and one with an MD mount. > > Anyone know anything about these? > > According to the press release on the Tiffen website, they > acquired Kalimar last February. > > thanks, > Peter Schauss Those , I believe , are just OEM expoort version of the Phoenix brand in China with a different trade name. They are manufactured by the Jinsei Optical Work ( no relation to Seagull ). The firm is a fairly big industrial optical Mfr in China, and this is their part of the consumer side. I know from previous trade post that they have tie with Seiko, Copal, and Kyocera. To my kn owledge, this is also the firm building the Yasuhara T98. Regards the bodies, they are just OEM version of older Cosina CS bodies with the aft-said mount. My exposure ( limited ) to these bodies are that they are generally build OK and workable but the Shutter fire with great shock to the body ( seems like there's no damping at all to both shutter and Mirror ). Franka Hong Kong

From Manual Minolta Mailing List: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 From: Peter Schauss [email protected] Subject: Re: Kalimar

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From Contax Mailing List: Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: AW: AW: [CONTAX] Sigma 600/F8 mirror lens review > From: Lotus M50 [email protected] > Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: AW: AW: [CONTAX] Sigma 600/F8 mirror lens review > > One labeled > "Praticar" (I'm not sure if it is the same as the CZJ lens) was on ebay > recently. It was unsold at a starting bid of $2995. It would ne an > intersting lens to have. Most likely the Prakicar (may have been spelled wrong on eBay, not exactly a rare event!) is a rebadged Japanese mirror. Many of the recent Prakticar lenses were from Cosina and Sigma. Bob

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 From: Jon Hart [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Camera choice --- Bob Shell [email protected] wrote: > My > guess is that > they went home, changed the flange distance just > enough, started production, > and said f*** Leica! Frankly, this is and has been the current regime's attitude regarding anyone outside the corporate wagon circle since about the mid-80s. The whole thrust of Konica has been towards rangefinder-styled or -based camera production (and film sales) since that time. They abandoned a still-viable SLR market a bit prematurely to concentrate on cheap, money-making p&s shtuff, boost film sales and expand their office equipment line. This is the Japanese end of Konica I am talking about. The Konica USA folks see things a bit differently but, of course, with little or no support from corporate. BTW Konica USA still offers repair service for the FT-1 and has battery covers for sale (relatively cheaply) for both the FT-1 and FS-1. In fact, evidently, some entrepenurial souls bought up a number of them and regularly sell them on e-Bay. As for firsts, per a recent post, Konica made the first Japanese camera to use in 1923, the Pearl (Showa 8). Strange, though, that they never made a TLR, as far as I know. .... Jon from Deepinaharta, Georgia

From Contax Mailing List: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: Ringflash (RE: Subject: Re: [CONTAX] D21 and makros) > From: Martins Bicka [email protected] > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 > Subject: RE: Ringflash (RE: Subject: Re: [CONTAX] D21 and makros) > > Soligor isn't new manufacturer. It makes many 3rd party photo accesories, > lenses etc. > I don't know where is this manufactured. > The build quality and finishing of that Soligor ring flash isn't up to > Contax standarts, but the guy who was using that on his Contaxes said, that > it performed very well. > For additional info look at their website www.soligor.com Soligor is a marketing company, not a manufacturer. They buy from many makers and just put their brand name on. Bob

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 From: Marc James Small [email protected] Subject: RE: [Rollei] Filters Robert Lilley wrote: >I guess I was/am caught up in the "put a UV filter on the lens to protect >it" myth. I just bought a Bay II UV filter! One of the first things my old >man taught me about photography - jeez, it's like finding out there is no >Santa or Easter Bunny! But it does make sense about putting an inferior >piece of glass up in front of some beautiful optics. However, couldn't the >same sort of thing ring true about lenses? You shoot with >Schneider but enlarge with Vivitar? A lot, if not most, of the Vivitar MF enlarging lenses are made by Rodenstock. I use Rodenstock enlarging lenses in MF, Leitz for miniature-format work. Marc [email protected] rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: "fgm" [email protected] [1] Re: JC Penney Lenses Date: Fri Mar 23 2001 Many of the ProSpec AF lenses were made by Sigma. Frank in Atlanta "Matthew Carlton" [email protected] wrote > Any idea who actually made these? I have some and they aren't too bad. > > Matt

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] OT: Argus group > From: "Roger M. Wiser" [email protected] > Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 > Subject: Re: [Rollei] OT: Argus group > > I had my first Argus C3 in 47 when I was stationed in West Point NY. About 3 > years ago I sold 4 C-3's to Argus in Chicago for $25ea. At the time I > understood > that Argus had started again. They advertised in one of the photography > magazines. It's a new company that bought the Argus name. They are selling a variety of cameras and other goods with the Argus brand. Nice people, but they have nothing to do with the old Argus company. Same thing happened with Ansco. The name was sold to Haking in Hong Kong and they put the name on a variety of products. Bob

From: Kirk [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Phoenix lenses? [email protected] says... > The 19-35 (if it's the same > as the on of 3 or 4 years ago) the 100mm f3.5 macro and 28-105 all produce > image quality on par with other lenses of similar focal lengths and max > apertures. That lens is identical to the Vivitar offering. In fact, in a Popular Photography buying guide a few years ago, there was a Phoenix ad that reproduced the Popular Photography lens test for the Vivitar lens...that was reprinted in that very same issue. -- Kirk

From RF Rangefinder Camera Mailing List: Date: Fri, 6-Apr-2001 From: Franka T. Lieu [email protected] Subject: RE: "Sun" lenses " SUN " lens was manufactured by an independent small optical firm that actually are still around today ( though no longer in business for consumer optics ). Generally speaking its optical quality is comparable to then current competetion which is to say its consistent, and good overall, say in comparison with Komura, Arco and the like. I have experience with its LTM 135 and am quite happy with it. All Sun lens I've used ( LTM, M42 and some other SLR ) tend to gravitate towards softness on wide open though. Advantage or disadvantage depending on your preference. regards Franka marcus lee wrote: > Anyone out there have experience with "Sun" brand lenses in LTM? I'm > specifically interested in the 90/4, as it seems to be in my price > range. > Thanks, > > -Marcus

From RF Rangefinder Mailing List: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 From: "dlanor" [email protected] Subject: Re: [RF List] Do you Zunow ? Stephen Gandy [email protected] asks for "info about Zunow Optical, as well as production figures for its lenses and SLR what I have been able to find is at http://www.cameraquest.com/zunow.htm " I would be most fascinated in any information on Zunow and whether anyone has Zunow gear (lenses, cameras, other makes with zunow lenses, cine cameras, cine lenses). I am trying to amass information / history on this company, this is the first time that I am trying anything like this. I have very little in production figures. Basically, ZUNOW started in 1930/40s with lens production and became heavily caught up in the race to produce fast lens. They produced very high quality lenses for RF cameras. In 1958 they produced their only camera, Zunow SLR for 1 year only. They provided lenses for a range of other small makers, eg Halina 44 TLR, Waltz Automat 44, Leotax S, Neoca SV C 400, Optika Auto 35. Around 1961? they hovered on bankrupcy and there was I believe a Yashica buyout (unconfirmed) of some sort? Associated (?) with this is further development of Cine cameras 8mm and 16mm and cine lenses. Zunow also made fast cine lenses eg 38mm f1.1. The most common lens to appear these days is the Zunowmatic 13mmf/1.8 cine lens for 8mm cameras. This lens incorporates a selenium cell. Apart from the SLR, Zunow is most renowned for :- 1. high quality FAST lens for Leica / Nikon etc RF cameras. 2. first lens used by Orion Camera Co. with their Miranda T SLR in 1954, Zunow 5cm f/1.9 in 44mm screw mount. This lasted for 2 years? until Orion renamed as Miranda. They later went on to close ties with Soligor for lenses. ( note : other makers provided standard lenses for the Miranda SLR). Zunow name was reused in the 1970s/ 80s, I have a ZUNOW zoom lens 80-200mm in Canon FD mount. Does anyone else have a Zunow lens for any SLR from the 70s / 80s ? It has also been used by a bicycle maker, currently used by a plastics company in China / Hong Kong. delta lanor [email protected]

From Minolta Mailing List; Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 From: "Swope's Mountain Photography" [email protected] Subject: Re: Re:Promaster / 100-300 mm APO (D) /Teleconverter? Promaster markets lenses currently made by Vivitar and Tamron. Possibly others too, but these 2 I'm sure of. The upside is that they give them a lifetime warranty! Linda Swope Swope's Mountain Photography Where Fine Photography is Fun! http://www.swopephoto.com

From: Tony Polson [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 Subject: Re: Seagull Camera Company [email protected] (Mike) wrote: > Anyone here have any experience with, or better yet own, a fairly late > model Seagull SLR from China? What little I've been able to gather is > that they are fairly high quality cameras, Minolta runs their factory > and they apparently brought over quite a few Germans to help out with > the lenses. > > They seem quite nice but I can't find anyone in the US who has use > one, only the medium format TLR which is rather well reviewed. All > info appreciated. I believe that the Seagull is sold here in the UK under the Centon brand. Centon is the in-house brand of Jessops, the UK's biggest dealer chain. The cameras are based on an obsolete Minolta design and are apparently made in the same factory as a Minolta manual focus SLR. I know one person who uses one and he knows several more. They are happy with their cameras but if anything goes wrong they tend to buy a new one, because the new camera costs so little more than the repair. Jessops also sell a Centon camera with the Pentax K bayonet mount. This is Jessop top selling cheap SLR, and is extremely popular with photography students. Each year Jessops sell thousands of these cameras, many of them used and reconditioned, to students. The reason for their popularity is the wide availability of used K bayonet lenses. However I don't know whether this camera is made by Seagull, although it is definitely made in China. I hope this is useful, although you will need to rely on others to fill the (large) gaps in my knowledge. -- Tony Polson

From Nikon Mailing List; Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 From: Larry Kopitnik [email protected] Subject: [NIKON] Re: Nikon branding (was: There Are NO "3rd grade" Nikons (Was: Re: Nikkor 85/2 AIS lens)) There is serious doubt whether we ever will see a film F6, especially since all indications are that the F100 is a far bigger seller than the F5. There was a post on this list (I think it was this list) some months ago quoting a Japanese magazine, which quoted Nikon officials as saying they were starting design of the F6. The biggest issue they were grappling with was the extent to gear it towards professionals or advanced amateurs, for concern that by the time it is introduced most pros will be shooting digital. In any event, there's a lot of evidence that Nikon will no longer be making much of anything other than the top-of-the-line equipment themselves, and maybe not even designing anything lesser themselves. I certainly do not see any such evidence. On the contrary, Nikon has established manufacturing plants in other countries to control costs while continuing to manufacture themselves most products they sell. A reliable contributor to a Leica list, who imports cameras into Hong Kong, wrote that he was told by his Nikon rep that the FM3a is being "partly or mostly made [by Nikon] in China." Sure, there's exceptions. There's much speculation (which I believe) that the 70-300 and 28-200 Nikkors are manufactured by Tamron for Nikon. I've been told the 60 Micro-Nikkor is manufactured by Kyocera. But I've also heard these are deals Nikon made because their own manufacturing capacity could not meet demand for their entire product line. Larry

From Contax Mailing List: Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] zoom lens advice > From: "Larry Zasitko" [email protected] > Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 > Subject: RE: [CONTAX] zoom lens advice > > Another route is Zeiss Jena zooms, I bought a 35-135 f3.5, a bit slow maybe > but a terrific lens. I bought mine on a trip out to Victoria for just over > $100.00 CDN or about $60.00 of your money. The glass is really nice and > pictures are great. I do have a couple older tamron lens that I used a few > years ago. The only non Zeiss glass that I have is a tamron 17mm that I bought > used and a 38-200 zoom that one of my boys use on the 137MD that he uses. I > agree that Yashica lens are pretty decent also, don't have any at the moment > but I used to have some. > > Larry Zasitko Are you talking about the lenses sold under the Jenazoom name? Those are Japanese (Sigma, I think) lenses sold by Pentacon. They were not built by Carl Zeiss Jena. I do not think that Carl Zeiss Jena ever made any zoom lenses. Bob

From Contax Mailing List: Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] CJZ lenses > From: Arthur Hood [email protected]> > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 > Subject: RE: [CONTAX] CJZ lenses > > I have a CJZ marked lens with C/Y fitting, mine is a 28mm, I've seen > a 35mm for sale in a local second hand camera shop. These may be marked Carl > Zeiss Jena, but are made in Japan. My 28mm f2.8 gives very sharp results in > my opinion, so much so that I will not replace it with a T* as was my > intention. Build quality appears solid, stainless steel as far as I can see. > My guess was that these were manufactured for a short while prior to some > stop being put to the use of the name CJZ and continued under the Yashica > name. I must add this is purely speculation, anyone know any different? As Evan pointed out, the lenses were apparently produced by Sigma who licensed use of the CZJ name for a while. They are most likely identical to Sigma-branded lenses from the same time frame, and would have nothing to do with Yashica/Kyocera. Bob

From Contax Mailing List: Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] 35mm macro revuenon for Contax... It's a rebadged 35mm f/2.8 Ennagon. Revue is the house brand of a German camera store chain. I've owned this lens and it is decent in performance. I never heard of it in Contax mount, though. They were made in mounts for Pentax K, M-42 and Rollei, and I think that is all. This is probably an M-42 lens with a Contax adapter on it. Bob

From Rollei Mailing List; Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Slightly OT: Can anyone compare quality of Rollei to Alpa? > From: "Robert Lilley" [email protected] > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 > Subject: RE: [Rollei] Slightly OT: Can anyone compare quality of Rollei to > Alpa? > > I owned an Alpa 35mm SLR in 1970 - with two of the Kern lenses. Like a fool > I sold it - I was in the army at the time, just back from Vietnam and not in > complete control of my mental facilities :). It was a beautiful camera and > it seemed to be the equal in quality to the Rolleiflex and Leica, et al. > Perhaps they did test out or use as well. I don't know why the 35mm faded > away - perhaps someone out there knows. The present Alpa and the old Alpa are completely unrelated. The current owners bought the trademark at the bankruptcy auction of the old company, but nothing else. Their camera is their own, and quite nice, but I personally wish they had named it something else. The old Alpa died with the 11si, last of a venerable line. Like so many companies driven by a strong personality, the company lost its thrust and direction when the founder died. It floundered around for a few years and went bankrupt. I find it very sad. I still have and use a 5b and 6c and have a broken 10d I may repair one day. Bob

From Contax Mailing List: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [CONTAX] Microtek FilmScan 35 I've got an older Microtek and it worked flawlessly for years until I retired it. Most of the Polaroid scanners are made by them. Bob

From Rollei Mailing List; Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: By any other name It's damned hard for consumers to know what's going on with this sort of stuff. In the specific case you mention, although Leica claimed that their point and shoot was different from the Vivitar, none of us in the photo press could detect any difference. Both cameras were made by , and I compared them side by side and couldn't tell the photos apart. Vivitar scored a PR coup on this one, since Leica sent all us press people cameras and then asked for them back. Vivitar heard about this and sent us each one with a note saying to keep it! I still have mine. Bob > From: "John M. Niemann" [email protected] > Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 > Subject: [Rollei] Re: By any other name > > How does the consumer really compare the after market or off brand > camera to the high priced spread?

From Rollei Mailing List: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: By any other name As in my other note, it was same as one model Leica, but I don't recall what the Leica version was called. Bob ...

From Hasselblad Mailing List; Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" [email protected] Subject: Re: The Spirit of the Company Jim Brick wrote: > Yes and Leica still has some Minolta lenses and a camera body in their > line-up. Hasselblad also uses Keocera (spelling?) for things like the > 60-120 zoom, 2x extender, and other lenses just marked "Hasselblad". Some > Zeiss lenses are produced in Japan. Those on Contax and Yachica. Leica has > both Zeiss and Schneider lenses in its arsenal. As does Hasselblad. Leica > re-badges Fuji digital cameras as Leica digital cameras. Isn't the Hasselblad 60-120 mm zoom lens made by Sigma, not Kyocera? Is the 2x extended build by Kyocera? If so, why did they drop the Zeiss name? And the other lenses just marked "Hasselblad", aren't they made by Fuji? Kyocera (long standing partner of Zeiss), or rather their daughter Yashica, does indeed build some of the lenses for the Contax cameras, not all. Zeiss transferred machinery, know-how and personnel to Kyocera/Japan, and built up a lens production facility to do this. These Japanese lenses all bear the Zeiss name. (Similar to "Leitz made in Portugal", and Canada (was it?)). I don't know of any optics made by Kyocera/Yashica (i.e. "Zeiss made in Japan") that are part of the Hasselblad program. If i remember correctly, Hasselblad presented 'their' zoom at the precise moment Zeiss reported their intention to give their division a boost, and to develop and build new, high quality zoom lenses.

From Rollei Mailing List; Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 From: "Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" [email protected] Subject: RE: [Rollei] Rolleiflex 2.8D LOL. That was great Bob! You missed your calling. It is actually standa for Joseph Schneider Kreuznach, Kreuznach being the city where the Schneider Optics company is headquartered. Sometimes they are referred to by their telex address which is Josco. from their website: In 1913, Joseph Schneider (1855-1933), born in Kreuznach, Germany, founded the "Optische Anstalt Jos. Schneider & Co." Known today as Schneider-Kreuznach or Schneider Optics, the company has been designing and manufacturing high quality lenses for over eighty-six years. During this time, over 14 million precision Schneider lenses have been sold worldwide. Provided is a list of currently discontinued lens models grouped by format specification. Detailed information from our archives has been included for each lens. Peter K -----Original Message----- From: Bob Shell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rolleiflex 2.8D It stands for Jason, the dude who writes for Pop Photo and secretly owns the company. Bob > From: "Philippe Tempel" [email protected] > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 > Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rolleiflex 2.8D > > What does the "J" in JSK mean? I'm pretty sure the "SK" is > Schneider Kreznach. Same question for "JSX"... Just curious.

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 From: Tony Polson [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Lens lineup? (poll) Bruce Murphy [email protected] wrote: > Naha! Now have you bought all this non-nikon glass since you claimed > to have an all-nikon lens stable by design? :) Hi Bruce, ROTFL!! I might have known you would respond ... I consider the Tamron 90mm to be at least halfway to being a Nikkor, because (1) it has colour rendition that's identical to Nikon glass, and (2) Tamron make so many Nikkors in any case. {g} The Tamron-made Nikkors include: 28-80mm G as included in most Nikon 'kits', 28-200mm AF-D, 70-300mm G, 70-300mm ED AF-D ... I have also heard rumours that Tamron make the 24-120mm AF-D Nikkor. Anyway, I don't *own* the Tamron. It's on long term loan in exchange for a large Manfrotto tripod and some other items of kit. But that's another story. Best regards, -- Tony Polson

From Rollei Mailing List; Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 From: Marc James Small [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rolleiflex 2.8D Eric Goldstein wrote: >Ok, 14 million precision lenses... and Peter did the site say how many, umm, >less than precision ones got sold? :-) Does the name ISCO-GÖTTINGEN strike a familiar chord, Ophelia? "ISCO" stands for 'Ioseph Schneider Co.' Most of the 'non-precision' lenses came from there ... Marc [email protected]

From Rollei Mailing List; Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] ISCO > From: Marc James Small [email protected] > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 > Subject: Re: [Rollei] ISCO > > ISCO was JSK subsidiary. In general, their lenses are not up to JSK > standards. Still, ISCO made some really useable lenses over the years. You say "was" as in past tense. As of photokina last year ISCO was still very much in business. Mostly they make commercial projection lenses these days. Bob

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 From: Tony Polson [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Which Nikkor lenses are made in China? "Don Forsling" [email protected] wrote: > I'm having trouble following this. _What_ lens in not the 28-200? If > you're writing about the Nikon 28-200, it certainly _is_ made in China. I'm > looking at one right now. "Made in China" is marked on the barrel.. The > build quality is pretty much OK. The optical quality is, to put it mildly, > fair. "Fair" is about all you can realistically expect from *any* 28-200mm consumer-grade zoom, regardless of brand. You can have zoom range, or you can have optical quality. Alas, it is very difficult to get both at a consumer-grade price. The 28-200mm AF Nikkor is made by Tamron to Nikon specifications, along with the 28-80mm and 70- 300mm G Nikkors and the 70-300mm ED lens. They are built down to a price that consumer-grade photographers are prepared to pay. You don't get better than "fair" at this price point. -- Tony Polson

From LEica Topica Mailing List; Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 From: Xavier Colmant [email protected] Subject: Agreement Leica/Matsushita to build Digital cameras Leica and Matsushita just signed a deal to produce digital cameras under Leica and Panasonic brands. Have a look at http://www.leica-camera.com/index_e.html for more details. Leica needed a partner with deep pockets to develop a digital camera. The only problem I can see is the huge difference in size between both companies. If they just signed the agreement, I guess a good digital Leica (at the level of the D1) is still far away.

From Leica Mailing List; Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 From: Dante Stella [email protected] Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica filters, by Leica? B+W made Leicas filters for a long time.

Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 From: Bob Salomon [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Who manufactured Hasselblad Filters? Kirt E. Carter at [email protected] wrote on 8/7/01 > I have three Hasselblad fitlers (yellow,orange, and red) that I > understand are no longer sold by Hassy. Does anyone know who > manufactured these filters? I am trying to decide whether or not to > spend the money on B&W filters, but if the Hassy filters were in fact > manufactured by B&W, I am all set. Thanks for your time. > Kirt At various times different suppliers. Sometimes Heliopan sometimes B+W. HP Marketing Corp. 800 735-4373 US distributor for: Ansmann, Braun, CombiPlan, DF Albums, Ergorest, Gepe, Gepe-Pro, Giottos, Heliopan, Kaiser, Kopho, Linhof, Novoflex, Pro-Release, Rimowa, Sirostar, Tetenal Cloths and Ink Jet Papers, VR, Wista, ZTS www.hpmarketingcorp.com [postscript: Heliopan made the Zeiss filters. ]

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 From: "Jeff S" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Interesting News From Leica Matsushita might be a more logical partner than Nikon: Leica optics are already offered on top-of-the-line Panasonic consumer camcorders, and I'm told Matsushita also produces the Minilux and other Leica point- n-shoot cameras as well. Besides, Leica might still be a little sore at Nikon for that little thing they created in the '50s called the Nikon F ;-) Jeff "Stu" [email protected] wrote: > The following is copied from another news group. I thought it might be > interesting > Stu > Subject: Some Information from Leica > Leica's annual report reveals an interesting trend toward digital > photography. They are dissatisfied with their current digital partner > relationships (Fuji for one) and are seeking new relationships - maybe > Nikon? > The following excerpt shows a surprising growth in rangefinder related > sales. > "In the period under review, sales of the Leica M system grew by 16.2% > to ? 49.8 million. This product line, made up of rangefinder cameras and > lenses, is by far the Company's largest. New lenses, finely > differentiated camera variants and accessories such as the LEICA MOTOR M > were important sources of growth. > With sales of ? 16.1 million the Leica R SLR range business decreased by > 15.7% on the previous year. The increasing digitalization is reducing > the demand for high-value analogue SLR cameras worldwide. The Company > intends to stabilize the product line by introducing new, innovative > lenses. The strong increases in the compact cameras product line of > 31.0% to ? 29.7 million contain sales of digital cameras in the amount > of ?11 million. New digital models are planned, however they are not > expected to generate sales in the current fiscal year. Leica Camera AG > focuses on strengthening those product features that are typical of the > Leica brand, in order to enable better differentiation from > competitors."

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 From: Bob Shell <[email protected]> To: Rollei Subject: [Rollei] Rollei SL35 lenses

Having e-mail server problems again, so posting from alternate account.

The original Rolleinar lenses were optically identical to the existing Mamiya lenses for their 35mm cameras. Most parts were interchangable except for the bayonet mount and aperture ring. I've converted Mamiya lenses to Rollei mount for people when the parts were still easy to get.

The Voigtlander lenses which were not from Mamiya were Zeiss designs made at Rollei's Singapore works. As some of the early VSL-1 cameras were built mostly from Zeiss Ikon parts it is possible that some early lenses were rebadged Zeiss lenses originally intended for the SL706 camera. Some VSL-1 cameras were sold in Europe with M-42 screw mount and accepted these lenses, which had a moving plate on the back of the lens which moved a pin on the lens mount to convey the aperture information to the camera body. (Same pin idea later used by Rollei in the 2000 and 3000 series cameras to convey maximum aperture to the camera). I have a 35mm f/2.8 which has the SL706 mount but was made in Singapore and could well have been built from Zeiss parts.

There was at least one Rolleinar macro lens later on, and I think it is identical to the Vivitar Series 1 and Kiron macro.

Bob

From: [email protected] (Tan) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Tominon lens question Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 [email protected] (Joseph O'Neil) said this on the Internet:

> Picked up two lenses in shutters the other day. Both are >"Tominon" lenses, made in Jpan. I bought the lenses to get ht >eshutters, and proankly, both lenses (one a 105, the other a 135) look >liek enlarger lenses mounted in shutters. > anyhow, does anyone know who or what "Tominon" leses are, or >if they are any good? >thanks >joe I did some looking up on the lenses once. Apparently they're made by Kyocera, the Yashica/Contax folks.

I had the 127mm Tominon that's supposedly a copy of the 127mm - bought that to use that focal length when I was just starting out. Hated the lens frankly, at least for colour. Didn't shoot B+W with it though.

Why didn't I like the lens? Well, the pictures done with it had a yellow cast to them. If you look at the glass, the glass also has a yellowish cast - I guess its like using a warm filter? Contrast was also not great. (I am comparing the results against my more expensive current glass from Schneider, Fuji.) I guess if its for B&W it might be ok.

I bought it for $40 so no complains. In the end, I used the shutter for another lens. Nice self-cocking press shutter with its very own funny pitched retaining ring (be sure not to lose it! It's non-standard)

The 127mm cells now reside in a barrel. I replaced that focal length with a used EBC coated 125mm Fujinon.

Mind you, I have heard of people who are happily using the Tominons as enlarging lenses as well, given their flat-field design.

[Ed. note: can anyone provide info on the Unitax lenses - import brand? mfgers?...] From SLR Mailing List: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 From: "Dean Stanley" Subject: RE: [SLRMan] T4 / TX lenses

Great stuff! I especially enjoyed Stephen Gandy's "Lens Testers Anonymous" article you linked to on your "Third Party Lens Reviews in Pop Photography" page. That about says it all.

I'm wondering if you or anyone else here can tell me anything about Unitax lenses? Who makes them?(Mine says made in Japan). I have a 135 f2.8 in K/AR mount that I am very fond of, and I know they made some wide angles and an 80-200 zoom.

I think tomorrow I will go snap up that $30 Vivitar 75-205 f3.8 lens I've been (stupidly)thinking about, and enjoy it instead of worrying about how the quality will compare to my Zuikos.

Dean

From: [email protected] (Gdwnphoto) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Date: 27 Oct 2001 Subject: Re: Kalimar glass?

>I was browsing through E-Bay looking for some bigger glass for my K1000. I >came across an auction featuring a 500mm k-mount lens that ends in a few >days. Reading through the description, I found that this particular lens >was built by a company called Kalimar. Anyone ever heard of or used a lens >from this company? Any good? > >Thanks.

Kalimar, now owned by Tiffen, is a distributer of lenses, like Vivitar. They don't make their own product. Often times, a lens sold under the Kalimar brand (which offers a ten year warranty on new items), is the exact same lens sold under the Vivitar, Phoenix and Tokina (depending on the lens) labels.

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From: Anthony Polson [email protected]> Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: vivitar lenses? Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 [email protected] (Robert Monaghan) wrote:

> Vivitar is an importer of lenses etc. which they relabel for sale under > their brand name. The majority of current lenses being offered seem to be > variants of current third party lenses by a number of makers (e.g., > phoenix/samyang/vivitar 17-28mm ultrawide etc.), so it makes little sense > to talk about "vivitar lenses" as they are made by a number of third party > makers. You have to specify the lens.

Bob,

This may have been true, but several years ago Cosina purchased the Vivitar brand and designs and, since then, nearly all "Vivitar" lenses have been made by Cosina in China. Cosina bought the brand name mainly to enhance the appalling reputation of their own products, but in doing so they have merely devalued the name "Vivitar".

> Even then, there is a pretty high > degree of sample to sample variation, so you have to test the individual > lenses to ensure top performance...

Quite so. At their best, the new "Vivitar" lenses tend to be poor performers. At their worst, they are appalling. Almost beyond belief.

-- Best regards, Anthony Polson

Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei at Photo Expo NYC From: Bob Shell [email protected]> To: [email protected]>

Well, they did have the new compact camera! That was certainly new.

Also, no surprise them teaming up with Horseman since Tosh Komamura, owner of Horseman, is the Japanese distributor for Rollei.

Bob

> From: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei at Photo Expo NYC > > The Rollei table was as usual, with nothing much new to show, but Rollei was > much in evidence at other stands. The Rollei X-Act bellows camera was in use > in several digital displays, as was the 6008i in several others. Most > impressive was the new X-Act-D, a joint effort with Horseman that claims to > be "the world's first view camera designed exclusively for high-end digital > photography." This camera uses a built in CPU and the Horseman ISS G2 system > for full electronic control. It works with no fewer than nine digital backs.

From: Anthony Polson [email protected]> Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: vivitar lenses? Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001

"Webmarketing" [email protected]> wrote:

> I consider them, while not stellar performers, a good value. It gives > beginning photographers a way to experiment with other focal lengths without > taking our a second mortgage.

Hi Fred,

If only this were true. The Cosina-made lenses are almost all junk, and there are much better alternatives for only a *tiny* bit more money.

The clearest example is the Cosina/Soligor/Vivitar/Phoenix 19-35mm that was also briefly available about 3-4 years ago as a Tokina. The rectilinear distortion of this lens is so bad that it could accurately be termed the world's first zoom fisheye.

Contrast this with the Tokina-made 20-35mm that replaced it in the Tokina range. This has dramatically better sharpness and contrast, less than half the distortion of the Cosina/Soligor/Vivitar/Phoenix 19-35mm, and superb colour rendition. I bought one to try and find out which two or three wide angle focal lengths I would choose to buy and ended up liking it a lot. It costs a tiny fraction more than the Cosina/Soligor/ Vivitar/Phoenix "lens" and is at least 10 times better value for money.

The same applies to most Cosina lenses; there will be a very much better alternative for a small extra cost. These other brands are not only a way to experiment with other focal lengths, they are a way into taking excellent pictures in the right hands.

There's no need to take out a second mortgage either. Win/Win/Win!

If people persist in buying Cosina/Soligor/Vivitar/Phoenix lenses because they appear to offer good value to a beginner, they would either be wrong or badly advised. Even the best Cosina/Soligor/Vivitar/Phoenix lenses suffer from such appalling build quality and sample variation that you cannot sensibly expect *your* lens to give a performance that even slightly resembles the results of any "independent" tests.

Just as with Sigma, we'd all love to be able to own the review samples that Cosina supply to photo mags. Unfortunately, thousands of people end up buying Cosina and Sigma junk products on the basis of highly inaccurate and dangerously misleading reviews in magazines that depend on advertising revenue for their survival. What price impartiality?

And, as you once said to me (correctly) "Don't quote Photodo to me!"

(G)

-- Best regards, Anthony Polson

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 To: [email protected] From: Marc James Small [email protected]> Subject: [Rollei "Voigtlaender"_Lenses?

Rollei marketed two different families of these lenses:

The following are Zeiss designs rebadged as Voigtl=E4nder and produced, for the most part if not totally, in Singapore:

2.8/25 Color-Skoparex 2.8/35 Color-Skoparex 1.8/50 Color-Ultron 2.8/85 Color-Dynarex 2.8/135 Color-Dynarex 4/135 Color-Skoparex 4/200 Color-Dynarex

The following Mamiya lenses were rebadged as Voigtl=E4nder: 3.5/14 Color F-Skoparex AR 4/21 Color Skoparex AR 2.8/28 Color-Skoparex AR 2.8/35 Color Skoparex AR 1.4/55 Color Ultron AR 2/50 Color Ultron=20 2.8/85 Color Dynarex AR=20 2.8/105 Color Dynarex AR 2.8/135 Color Dynarex AR 3.5/200 Color Dynarex AR 5.6/400 Color-Dynarex AR 8/500 Reflex Dynar AR

The following are rebadged Tokina lenses: 4/28-85 Vario-Skoparex AR 3.5-4.3/35-105 Vario-Dynar AR Macro 4/80-200 Vario-Dynar AR

Thus endeth the tale of the Voigtl=E4nder SL35 lens line -- and nary a real honest-to-Johann-Christoph-Voigtl=E4nder lens in the lot of 'em!

Marc

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From: Anthony Polson [email protected]> Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: compatible lenses? Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001

"Ahriman" [email protected]> wrote: > Anthony Polson wrote: > > When UK eBay buyers see "Carl Zeiss" they *swoon* long before the word > > "Jena" enters their consciousness, if it ever does. > > Putting "Jena" immediately after "Carl Zeiss" is like saying a sentence > > and then adding "Not". > > > In some cases, definitely, but the 135mm f3.5 Sonnar design is a wonderful > lens, and the later 35mm f2.4 Flektogon is reputed to be as good as the SMC > 35mm f2, even better wide open at the edges. But yes, the 29mm f2.8 > was a dog; the 50mm f2.8 Tessar is OK but not particularly sharp. The > Pancolar 50mm f1.8 is sharp but flares badly. > > On my fave subject of cheap screw mount lenses, by the way, I just tested > the Helios 75-150mm f3.8 lens I bought for £5 from a charity shop. > Erm....Helios? Zoom? Oh dear, I thought. But it is exceptionally sharp! Even > wide open the edges do not suffer the same sorts of aberrations my old Sigma > 28-80mm used to when stopped down to f8! I know tele zooms at this > particular focal length are the easiest to make, but I think I found a real > gem here!

Hi Ahriman,

I've no doubt there are some good Jena lenses out there, somewhere. I've also no doubt that you have the ability to sniff out a bargain - as well as the ability to make good use of whatever you buy.

When Helios wanted to sell zooms to go with their Zenit cameras, they did the same as Carl Zeiss Jena and bought from Japan. Most of the Carl Zeiss Jena Japanese lenses were made by Sigma; I suspect that the Helios 75-150mm f/3.8 lens was made by Vivitar, Kiron or maybe Tamron.

-- Best regards, Anthony Polson

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 Subject: Re: [Rollei] Cosina 50mm F3.5 "Heliar"?! From: Bob Shell [email protected]> To: [email protected]>

> From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Rollei] Cosina 50mm F3.5 "Heliar"?! > > I thing most Cosina products are marketed under other brand names, e.g. > the cheap, non-AF Canon and Nikon SLRs, many consumer grade zoom lenses > for Canon/Nikon/Pentax/Minolta. And they sell through mailorder/chain > stores with own labels, e.g. Foto Quelle ("Revue", mostly made by > Chinon) and Foto Porst ("Edixa", "Exakta"), which all utilise formerly > prominent brand names. > > HP >

Right idea but wrong brands. Cosina makes non-AF cameras for almost everyone but Canon. There is no non-AF Canon SLR at this time. This is due to the electrically driven diaphragms in Canon lenses. Likewise they don't make any lenses for Canon, although they do make Canon mount lenses for several companies. Their lenses are commonly seen here under the Vivitar name.

Bob

To: [email protected]> From: Bob Shell [email protected]> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 Subject: Re: [camera-fix] Phoenix/Samyang

Mark Overton at [email protected] wrote:

> Isn't Zuiko made by Olympus? If so, did you mean that the *best* of > them (Phoenix/Samyang) is probably *worse* than Zuiko? Or am I > missing something here?

Zuiko is Olympus's brand name for lenses, and they consistently tested worst of all lenses tested. I did mean that the worst Samyang was probably better than Zuiko.

Bob

To: [email protected] From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 15 Jan 200 Subject: Re: [camera-fix] Phoenix/Samyang

On 14 Jan, Bob Shell wrote: > Mark Overton at [email protected] wrote: > >> Isn't Zuiko made by Olympus? If so, did you mean that the *best* of >> them (Phoenix/Samyang) is probably *worse* than Zuiko? Or am I >> missing something here? > > > Zuiko is Olympus's brand name for lenses, and they consistently tested > worst of all lenses tested. I did mean that the worst Samyang was > probably better than Zuiko.

Bob, I'd be most interested to see your justification for this fairly radical statement - it's certainly inconsistent with either my own 30 years of experience with a very wide range of Zuiko lenses, or with any other information that I've seen in the past. (which isn't to say that all Olympus lenses were all equally good performers - like most manufacturers, they had good and "less good" designs).

However lenses branded "Zuiko" (as distinct from just "Olympus") were, in my experience, generally very good to excellent. You may find it interesting to take a look at:

http://members.aol.com/olympusom/lenstests

Rgds,

-- Richard Lindner [email protected] +61 (0)419 556 560

To: [email protected]> From: Bob Shell [email protected]> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 Subject: Re: [camera-fix] Phoenix/Samyang

Eric Maquiling at [email protected] wrote:

> I thought Olympus Zuiko lenses were very good? Just didn't marketed well. > I used to know a lot of Olympus SLR diehards.

They were the worst lenses ever marketed by a camera maker. I'm speaking of the ones for the OM system.

Bob

To: [email protected]> From: Bob Shell [email protected]> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 Subject: Re: [camera-fix] Phoenix/Samyang [email protected] at [email protected] wrote:

> Bob, I'd be most interested to see your justification for this fairly > radical statement -

Actual lab tests. Now let's drop this, because this doesn't belong here. Ask me off list if you want more info.

Bob

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei SL35E Brochure From: Bob Shell [email protected]> To: [email protected]>

> From: Reg Ronaldson [email protected]> > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei SL35E Brochure > > I have a Rollei35 fitting Voigtlander Color-Skoparex 2:8/35mm. It looks > very Mamiya-ish. Is it the same as the Rolleinar?

Yes. Mamiya made all of the original Rolleinar lenses and many of the ones sold under the Voigtl=E4nder name by Rollei. The reason for changing to other suppliers was that Mamiya went out of the 35mm camera and lens business around 1982-83 and Rollei had to scramble to find new suppliers.

They tried to source all lenses from one OEM manufacturer, Makina, but the samples supplied to them did not meet their quality standards, so they ended up using multiple sources.

Bob

To: [email protected]> From: Bob Shell [email protected]> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 Subject: Re: [camera-fix] Fotosnaiper FS12

> From: "Don Tuleja" [email protected]> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [camera-fix] Fotosnaiper FS12 > > You're right about the company name... But their website still shows them! > With your choice of Leica 600mm glass or Novoflex's own glass. :-) > > Waaaaaaay too rich for my blood! :-)

They no longer show them at photokina, so I assumed they had stopped making them. It may be one of those cases where a product is not listed as discontinued so long as they have one piece in the warehouse!!!

Novoflex glass, BTW, was always made for them by Schneider, so is pretty darned good.

But in these days of autofocus and , I can't imagine using one of these.

Bob

Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 To: [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: brand war chuckles Re: Are Soligor lens any good?

Maybe it is just me, but the part I find so funny about some of the many recommendations to buy just the OEM lenses is that so many of the OEM lenses (e.g., Nikon..) are made by Tokina, or Tamron, or Sigma. I mean, if a sigma zoom lens is good enough for Hasselblad, they must know something about lenses? see http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/third/mfg.html for other surprises and examples ;-)

Given the volume of sales of these rebadged Tamron consumer lenses, I'd bet a large fraction of the "nikon" lenses sold today are not made by Nikon but one of the third party makers for them, etc. for other brands ;-0) the other funny part is that if you ask most folks to pick out the various shots taken by OEM lenses from the ones by third party lenses in a mixed stack of slides, they can't do so with any statistical significant reliability. ;-)

Lately I have even discovered that some of the photos in the ads for various lens makers aren't even taken with THEIR lenses, as implied in the ads. Even worse, some aren't even taken with the same format lenses many times. And even worse, the photos in some ads for some gear is taken with their fierce competitor's lenses and cameras! So much for drooling over ads! ;-)

I have over a hundred lenses, from blads and schneider and zeiss to soligors, dozens of OEM lenses, and the worst lens in the entire bunch is a nikon 43-86mm zoom (ugh) original series ;-) I also have an OSAWA 28mm that is shockingly decent for a $10 junker lens against my nikkor and pentax and minolta OEM 28mm optics. So it varys.

You just have to test them out and see if they meet your needs. Some of the older fixed lens Soligor/Vivitars are very good - for example, from July 1970 Modern Photo the vivitar 135mm f/2.8 scored ALL excellents center AND edge; the 200mm f/3.5 scored the same, the 28mm f/2.5 scored all excellents too. A Leica summilux 50mm f/1.4 in the same issue scored only half excellent ratings (8), 5 very good, and 3 just good scores. Ooops!!!! I'll grant the Leica/Leitz lens is probably better corrected and is optimized for wide open use, but I have a number of under $50 normal lenses that do better in the midrange resolution ratings center/edge where I do most of my shooting. So for me, the $17 junker Minolta 50mm is fine, thanks! ;-) It is the lens that counts, not the name pasted on it ;-) keep smiling ;-) grins bobm --

From: Tony Polson [email protected]> Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Are Soligor lens any good? Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001

"Mike Lipphardt" [email protected]> wrote:

> Based on my extremely good experience with an old Vivitar Series 1 70- 210 > f3.5/4.5 and an old Vivitar 135 f2.8 (tank describes them both, both > opticalley excellent) I recently bought a Vivitar Series 1 28-105. Total > piece of junk. Poor both mechanically and optically. Somewhere along the > line, Vivitar forgot what "Series 1" was supposed to mean.

That's because Vivitar no longer exist. After the Vivitar company was defunct, Cosina bought the name to put on their junk lenses.

"Vivitar Series 1" is supposed to excite memories of the 'old' Vivitar brand which, twenty to thirty years ago, signified a good quality lens at a good price. Now all it signifies is junk, unless any of today's Cosina lenses are former Vivitar designs.

If any of today's Cosina/Vivitar/Phoenix/Soligor lenses *are* based on the older, better Vivitar designs, you can be sure that the build quality is so poor and/or the sample variation is so huge that you will never, ever know.

Yet Cosina's Voigtländer brand cameras and lenses are respectable products. An enigma in the making ...

--

Best regards,

Tony Polson

From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 From: William Hoffman [email protected]> Subject: Re: [SLRMan] R8 ? Warranty

Dear Bill:

I think you missed my point. A maker of a top notch product shouldn't be reluctant to stand behind it. I don't assign a direct correlation between product quality and length of warranty, but the manufacturer should, and I find the analogy made between Miranda and K-cars inappropriate and somewhat insulting. Mirandas may not be Nikons, but they're a hell of a lot more reliable than a K-car. I know they have a reputation among some as unreliable, but only because of a couple models, most notably their last one, the dx-3. For some reason, people remember best the last thing you did.

To evidence my point, Miranda did not have a poor reputation from the late '50's through the early '70's. In fact, it was the opposite. They were innovators. If they were actually crappy cameras compared with their competition, Miranda wouldn't have lasted as long as they did. Miranda was never a big company, unlike Nikon and Canon, so a large number of defective cameras would have finished them at any point in time. Most of them are very solid cameras, like most SLRs of the period. I believe Miranda's lesser standing among classic Japanese camera nuts is more a function of herd mentality than anything else.

I do admit to being naturally inclined to root for the underdog and take more interest in things that are unique, rather than commonplace, but I won't tolerate shitty cameras. If my Mirandas didn't work well for me, I'd dump them in an instant, because I'm a shutterbug first, and a collector second. In fact, I don't consider myself a serious collector at all, although my wife may disagree. (she usually does!) :-D

Remember those early AF Nikons that were so slow to focus, owners resorted to using them as manual focus cameras? This is an example of Nikon's marketing department getting ahead of engineering. Small companies can't afford to sell first and fix it later, and I miss them. Miranda only made one big mistake, the dx-3, and they paid the ultimate price. Nowadays, cameras are more advanced, but don't last nearly as long as those of a generation ago. You can thank big companies with lots of marketing geeks and M.B.A.s for that.

I won't use the word "durable" concerning cameras, because instruments aren't meant to be treated like footballs, and durable implies it should tolerate abuse and misuse, which no camera does. SLRs are supposed to be for people who know what they're doing, not careless oafs. If my Miranda C wasn't reliable, it wouldn't still be working good as new after 41 years and hundreds of rolls of film. Maybe my Dad and I should have kicked it around some to see if it's as tough as a Nikon F.

Regards,

Bill

Bill Salati wrote:

> > > I suspect the Miranda 3 year waranty, much like Lee Iacocca's 5 > year/50,000 mile warranty, was a marketing effort on the part of the > seller. Having been on both sides of both counters, the Miranda was > not 3 times more durable than anything except perhaps a Petri. > Likewise the K-cars I sold were noticeably inferior in materials and > workmanship to the captive-import Mitsubishis that had only a fraction > of the domestic Chrysler Corp. warranty. > The warranty is there only to leave the customer with a warm fuzzy > feeling. It seldom is a reflection of the quality of the product. > > Bill > >> Steve and all: >> >> I couldn't help but notice that a 1 year warranty seems quite stingy for >> a top-of-the-line camera. Mirandas had a 3 year warranty. But that was >> 30 years ago, when companies stood behind their products. I keep >> wondering when that will happen again. I'll slap myself now. There, >> I'll be O.K. >> >> Bill

From: Bob Shell [email protected]> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 Subject: [camera-fix] Olympus officially discontinues OM cameras

I guess it is no surprise, but the sad end of a proud dynasty. The original OM-1 changed the course of photographic history by forcing the competition to downsize their cameras. This information was forwarded to me by my Japanese friend Muchan.

Bob

> Olympus Optical Industry, Japan, announced they stopped making OM-3Ti and > OM-4Ti black. They are the last of their OMs in production so it means > they officially ended production and selling OM series bodies. > > Some lenses and accessaries for OM series are still in production till > the end of March 2003. Service for OM series will continue. The parts > should be aveilable 10 years after the end of production. Some bodies > were stopped production before, so it doesn't means 10 years for all > bodies from now on. > > The list of lenses, continued production till Mar 2003: > Zuiko 21/3.5, 24/2.8, 35/2, 35/2.8, 50/1.2, 50/1.8, 85/2, 100/2 > Macro50/2, Makro90/2. Macro20/2. Macro 38/2.8. >

From: Brown Bear [email protected]> Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Osawa lenses Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001

Osawa was the sole distributor for the Mamiya brand. If the lenses weren't actually made by Mamiya on their behalf, they would certainly incorperate Mamiya technology in their design and manufacturing. [email protected] (Iskandar Taib) wrote:

>Anyone know anything about these? I bought a used Osawa 24mm f2.8 on >ebay (for about $50 - I always wanted something wider than a 28)? According to: > > http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/third/table1.txt > >it was a fairly expensive 24mm f2.8 in it's day. Also, according to: > > http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/third/mfg.html > >Osawa was (or is) a manufacturer in Japan, not a relabel brand. > >See: > > http://bigwig.geology.indiana.edu/pictures/24mm/011123B-23.JPG

Subject: Re: SL66 questions From: Bob [email protected]> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001

Q.G. de Bakker at [email protected] wrote on 12/6/01 6:26 AM:

> Rollei and Schneider both have been Samsung owned > companies

No they weren't, Rollei was owned by Samsung Aerospace. They bought the company from Heinrich Manderman who also owns Schneider.

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From russian camera mailing list: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 From: Bob Shell [email protected]> Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm lens opinion [email protected] at [email protected] wrote:

> As far as the Pentacon or Carl Zeiss Jena name goes once the Photo industry > was consolidated in the DDR it seems to primarily be related to where they > intended to sell the items. They could not use the markings "Carl Zeiss" > because of a patent court decision in the US so they had to mark items > Pentacon when intended for the US market.

Actually, lenses from Carl Zeiss Jena which were officially imported into the USA were marked CZ Jena, CZJ, and Aus Jena. The Pentacon, Pentaconar, etc., names were used on lenses made by Meyer Görlitz, and not by Carl Zeiss Jena. I sold these lenses in the 70s when they were current. They were imported into the USA by Hanimex, Exakta Camera Company, Edixa Camera Company, and Camera Specialties Company (Caspeco). The Meyer/Pentacon lenses were generally regarded as "second tier" lenses below the Carl Zeiss Jena lenses, and priced cheaper.

Bob

From russian camera mailing list: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 From: Marc James Small [email protected]> Subject: RE: Re: Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm lens opinion [email protected] wrote: >Bob, >I agree with what you say, however when I lived in Berlin in the late 80s and early 90s I shopped in the Carl Zeiss shop am Alexanderplatz. It may be that the products of were still made at what had previously been Meyer and Zeiss but they had all been part of V.E.B. Pentacon for over 10 years. > >These lenses which I purchased in the late 80's or early 90's look very much like typical Japanese production with the exception of the auto/manual switch. All of them are multicoated. One of them is marked Carl Zeiss Jena, the 20mm.

Nathan

First, it is important not to confuse "Carl Zeiss Jena" and "Carl Zeiss" and "Zeiss Ikon" and "Pentacon" and the like. Different companies with different traditions and standards and fates, though all have a common origin in the optical shop established in September, 1846, by Carl Zeiss -- then "Karl Zeiß" -- at Jena.

Second, Meyer retained an independent existence even after it was merged into the CZJ Kombinat in 1985. It was hived off again in 1990 at the downfall of Communism and is back into lens production today. We just had a discussion about this on the Praktica Users' Group.

Third, CZJ licensed their name to the Orient around 1983 and, from then up to the end, a variety of pleasant-but-not-outstanding Japanese lenses were marketed under that brand. These lenses appear with some regularity on e-Bay. But let us not confuse those lenses with real Zeiss products.

Marc [email protected]

From russian camera mailing list: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001BR From: Marc James Small [email protected]> Subject: Re: Late CZJ Lens S/N

Bob Shell wrote:

>As of last photokina when I talked to them, Meyer Optik in Görlitz was still >in business.

Well ... Meyer was absorbed into Pentacon in 1956 or thereabouts. Pentacon was bought by CZJ in 1986. If there is a "Meyer Gorlitz" running about now, they must be a post-unification castoff like Noble or Schneider-Dresden. BR>P>

Marc [email protected]

From russian camera mailing list: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: Late CZJ Lens S/N

> From: Marc James Small [email protected] > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [russiancamera] Late CZJ Lens S/N > > Well ... Meyer was absorbed into Pentacon in 1956 or thereabouts. Pentacon > was bought by CZJ in 1986. If there is a "Meyer Gorlitz" running about > now, they must be a post-unification castoff like Noble or Schneider- Dresden.

That's not the way they tell the story. According to Thomas Beier, the man I spoke with, their marketing was combined but manufacturing was always at Görlitz, and still is. They have plans to re-introduce some of the classic lenses, including the 500mm Tele-Megor (which was renamed Prakticar when Pentacon took over marketing), in mounts for modern cameras.

If you want to contact them, the address is Aradstrasse 11, Görlitz. They don't have a web site yet.

Bob

\ From Nikon MF Mailing List: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 From: Rick Housh [email protected] Subject: Re: Whatever happened......

Jim Bielecki wrote: >Being somewhat new to Nikon, I'm wondering if somebody could tell me >whatever happened to E.P.O.I., which was the company which handled >distribution of Nikon products in the U.S. back in the 1970's.

In 1981 Ehrenreich Photo-Optical Industries (EPOI), founded by Joe Ehrenreich, was bought out by Nippon Kogaku and renamed Nikon U.S.A., which now handles the official distribution in the U.S.A.

- Rick Housh -

From russian camera mailing list: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 From: Marc James Small [email protected] Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm lens opinion

tigerarm2000 wrote: > I know Carl Zeiss Jena made some excellent lenses for 120 format. >What about their 135mm lenses? Are lenses with Zeiss brand bettet >than pentacon lenses? > >I know this is not a Russian topic but I don't know other place to >ask the question.

Well, other possible fora for this would be the Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group and the Praktica Users Group.

Zeiss has always been the one company that will never chintz on quality, which is why they dominate the top-end optical field. In the US, many hospitals insist on using Zeiss gear in their laboratories, simply because no attorney in a malpractice suit would ever fault them for this choice. Zeiss is the cutting edge, the absolute best, the chevalier sans reproche. But beware of the Law of Diminishing Returns: to get that extra 1% in quality, you pay three or four times as much. (And that is why SPS gear is such a superb buy: you get Zeiss-derived optical quality in, well, less than Zeiss-quality mounts!)

I have a slew of Zeiss gear, from Contax and Praktina and Praktica and Contaflex and Contarex and Ikoflex and Icarex gear, all with lenses, plus Zeiss lenses on my Rolleiflex and Hasselblad cameras. I have a Whole Damn Bunch of binoculars, and all but a few are Zeiss -- and the ones which aren't Zeiss are Zeiss-derived, either Docter or Russian.

Carl Zeiss split into two entities between 1945 and 1990, Carl Zeiss Jena -- East German -- and Zeiss-Opton and Carl Zeiss -- West German. The West German gear is certainly preferable in terms of mounting but the East German gear is often of stunningly fine optical qualities -- the absolute finest, best, most marvelous binoculars I have ever used are my 7x40 DF BGA's, the sort of glasses which put tears in your eyes, so good are they.

Damn, but I love Zeiss!

Marc [email protected]

from minolta manual mailing list: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 From: "aranda1984" [email protected]> Subject: Re: 800 Cat

Yes Ze'ev, you are right.

Minolta made 800/8 RF and 1600/11 RF lenses for Leica. And that's the fact even if Leica owners don't like to hear it.

There was a web site: http://www.minmail.org.mug/mf-bodies.html That web site listed all the Minolta/Leica projects under 2.13. This web site no longer is maintained, however, a short time back someone had another site with the same information.

Stephen I. Molnar ...

From russian camera mailing list: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm lens opinion [email protected] at [email protected] wrote:

> As far as the Pentacon or Carl Zeiss Jena name goes once the Photo industry > was consolidated in the DDR it seems to primarily be related to where they > intended to sell the items. They could not use the markings "Carl Zeiss" > because of a patent court decision in the US so they had to mark items > Pentacon when intended for the US market.

Actually, lenses from Carl Zeiss Jena which were officially imported into the USA were marked CZ Jena, CZJ, and Aus Jena. The Pentacon, Pentaconar, etc., names were used on lenses made by Meyer Görlitz, and not by Carl Zeiss Jena. I sold these lenses in the 70s when they were current. They were imported into the USA by Hanimex, Exakta Camera Company, Edixa Camera Company, and Camera Specialties Company (Caspeco). The Meyer/Pentacon lenses were generally regarded as "second tier" lenses below the Carl Zeiss Jena lenses, and priced cheaper.

Bob

From russian camera mailing list: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 From: Marc James Small [email protected] Subject: RE: Re: Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm lens opinion [email protected] wrote: >Bob, >I agree with what you say, however when I lived in Berlin in the late 80s and early 90s I shopped in the Carl Zeiss shop am Alexanderplatz. It may be that the products of were still made at what had previously been Meyer and Zeiss but they had all been part of V.E.B. Pentacon for over 10 years.

>These lenses which I purchased in the late 80's or early 90's look very much like typical Japanese production with the exception of the auto/manual switch. All of them are multicoated. One of them is marked Carl Zeiss Jena, the 20mm.

Nathan

First, it is important not to confuse "Carl Zeiss Jena" and "Carl Zeiss" and "Zeiss Ikon" and "Pentacon" and the like. Different companies with different traditions and standards and fates, though all have a common origin in the optical shop established in September, 1846, by Carl Zeiss -- then "Karl Zeiß" -- at Jena.

Second, Meyer retained an independent existence even after it was merged into the CZJ Kombinat in 1985. It was hived off again in 1990 at the downfall of Communism and is back into lens production today. We just had a discussion about this on the Praktica Users' Group.

Third, CZJ licensed their name to the Orient around 1983 and, from then up to the end, a variety of pleasant-but-not-outstanding Japanese lenses were marketed under that brand. These lenses appear with some regularity on e-Bay. But let us not confuse those lenses with real Zeiss products.

Marc [email protected]

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 From: Jan [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [Rollei] SM forgot who was asking what SM stands for, but found out and thought it's worth telling you!

"Mamiya was founded in 1940 by the businessman Tsunejiro Sugawara and the engineer Seichi Mamiya.

The stylized SM symbol on older Mamiya cameras stands for their initials and not for Mamiya/Sekor" as can be read at http://eddy.uni-duisburg.de/joerg/allerlei/mamiya/mamiya.html

Jan

From: Bob Salomon [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Rollei's MC coating before HFT? Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 [email protected] at [email protected] wrote > only Rollei-made lenses have the HFT coating.

Nonsense.

Kiron made Rolleigons and Rolleinars, Schneider made lenses and Zeiss made lenses as well as some Samsung and Ricoh made lenses as well as Apogon lenses for Rollei 35mm and 6x6 cm cameras have HFT coatings. HFT is simply Rollei's designation for their MC and is used on their lenses, regardless of supplier, It is not just on Rollei made lenses.

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From Camera Fix Mailing List: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 From: rod_kendall [email protected] Subject: [camera-fix] Re: Original Iskra

--- In camera-fix@y..., Darcie tesoro@r... wrote: > > I just got a russian Iskra (original) and can't find a manual > anywhere online for it - and I can't figure out how to even close the > dang thing! It looks like someone carved two holes in the back of it, > too... and replaced them with red windows. What's up with that? > > Anyone direct me to instructions? > > thanks! > Darcie

Iskra is actually Slovenian and not Russian. They no longer make film projectors. Their corporate web page is http://www.iskra-si.com/ However, I am not sure if they can help you with the manual (the factory that manufactured the stuff might no longer exist). It might be worth a try...

Rod

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 From: Marc James Small [email protected] To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Subject: [Rollei] PAM Britar

I recently picked up a lot of Leica gear on e-Bay. Among this stuff was a 4.5/105mm PAM Britar, a rather mysterious US-made LTM lens about which very little is know. With the lens came its 4" auxiliary viewfinder, in box -- and, on the box, it identified the manufacturer as "Photographic Arts Manufacturing Corporation, 45 West 19th Street, New York, New York". I've never heard of this company before but it IS nice to have the "PAM" decyphered. Bob Pins has long opined that the Britar was to be the long-focus lens for the civilian Kardon camera, and this is made a bit more likely by the box's inscription "Leica or Kardon".

Does anyone else know anything else about this company or any other products it might have made?

Marc [email protected]

From Classic 35mm Compact Cameras List Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 From: winfried_bue [email protected] Subject: [Classic 35mm Compacts] Re: Vivitar 35ES

As you might have guessed, I own both the Revue400SE and the Vivitar35ES (in multiples until I am going to sell some).

Both are exactly identical except for the 'bulge' on the top cover that bears the Vivitar label.

Vivitar used to sell a range of rangefinders in the mid 70s, and all of them were sold by german retailer Foto-Quelle with the Revue label. The 'original' Vivitar cameras are pretty rare (I haven't seen one yet) but the Revue400 series is quite common in Germany.

I have heard from several Revue400SE owners that the meter is 2 or 3 steps of. I did not find how to adjust this correctly. Also, some of the Revue400SE suffer from a wobbly lens. To cure this a bit you will have to open the body (rather straightforward) and tighten the ring which holds the shutter assembly to the front plate.

BTW, a Revue400SE was the first camera I bought on german ebay. The problem is that almost none of the german ebay sellers accepts PayPal or BidPay (I don't either). But with the EURO it's easier to send cash by letter. German banks accept foreign (and BidPay) cheques only at horrible fees.

From camera fix mailing list: Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: Leica 3rd party manufaturers

kelvin at [email protected] wrote: > I wonder if any of these parts would be interchangeable ...

Possibly the electronic chips, but not likely the whole circuit boards. > whatever happend to tomioka?

Kyocera needed more lens production capacity. They negotiated the purchase of Tomioka. This was in 1974 I think. The Tomioka name disappeared at that time, although Polaroid built cameras for years with Tominon lenses which were from their stock. Currently NPC builds a folding camera for Polaroid films which is still built with brand new Tomioka lenses from Polaroid's old inventory (they must have bought vast numbers of them!!!).

> I've been searching for an old tomioka 55/1.2 in M42 for months, without much > luck too.

They were never common, so you may look for a long time. Personally, I never heard of that one.

Bob

from rollei mailing list: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 From: Ferdi Stutterheim [email protected] Subject: RE: [Rollei] Rolleiflex 2.8 F with OPTON lens

Geir,

OPTON (OPtische Werke OberkocheN) was the (first) name of the new post- WWII Zeiss lens work at Oberkochen, West Germany. In later days the name was changed to Carl Zeiss. After the change to the Carl Zeiss name, the Opton name was still used for exports to Eastern European countries where (West German) Zeiss had no rights to use the Carl Zeiss name. The same thing happened to lens names. A Planar was marketed as an OPTON-P in the Eastern Europe. A Tessar was an OPTON-T.

The East German Carl Zeiss Jena company sold their lenses in the West as "aus Jena".

Your 2,8 F would have a standard Carl Zeiss Planar lens.

Ferdi Stutterheim, Drachten, The Netherlands. http://www.stutterheim.org http://www.rolleigraphy.org ...

From: "Q.G. de Bakker" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Suer Iknta C vs Besa II Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002

Vincent Becker wrote:

> I believe you are right, it is the same thing: post-war tessars were > sometimes called "Zeiss Opton Tessar", "Zeiss Opton" being, I believe, > the name of the manufacturer (a name that Zeiss took for some times). > But I'm not so sure about it. As you say "Opton"lenses were coated. > Anyxay they were all Tessars.

Yep. Opton is the name Zeiss 'West' used while they were still battling it out which one of the two Zeiss's was entitled to the name Zeiss. They continued to use the name Opton on products shipped to the East Block long after they decided to use the name Zeiss again.

From rollei mailing list: Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] "Lense" Spelling [was] Rolleiflex Filter and focus point change.

Prinz was one of several house brands of the old American Camera company, later shortened to Amcam. I bought lots of stuff from Amcam when I owned and operated my own photo shops.

The name apparently belongs to new people now, who call themselves just Prinz. You can find out a little about them on their web site at www.prinzusa.com . It's pretty vague, though.

Bob ... > Is there a company that owns the Prinz brand name? > > I have been trying to locate them in order to purchase templates for > trimming film leaders. > > Roland Smith

From: [email protected] (Winfried Buechsenschuetz) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Suer Iknta C vs Besa II Date: 7 Apr 2002

I just got some more details from a german website covering Zeiss history.

The 'Opton Optische Werke Oberkochen' was founded in 1946 by some managers and techicians who had left the soviet occupied zone (the German Democratic Republic was not established yet) and started manufacturing optical equipment. Some years later the west german 'Carl Zeiss foundation' was established as an owner of Opton, and the latter was renamend Zeiss-Opton. In 1953 west german 'Zeiss AG' was founded by the 'Carl Zeiss foundation', and Zeiss-Opton was integrated into this company.

So Opton and Zeiss-Opton lenses were made by a predecessor of the west german Zeiss AG.

They had lots of trouble with east german 'Carl Zeiss' since the latter were manufacturing optical equipment with the same name. Many years later they agreed that east german 'Carl Zeiss' did not sell its lenses in West Germany any more with the Zeiss label (the east german Tessar was renamed 'Jena-T', and many lenses were sold just with a lens name and an addendum 'aus Jena' = made in Jena, but for exports to West Germany only). On the other hand, the west german glass manufacturer Schott (who is part of the Zeiss AG) got back the right to use the term 'Jenaer Glas' (glass from Jena) for its special heat-resistant glass.

Winfried

from russian camera mailing list: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: Unusual Zenit Lens - Anyone knows about it?

Your lens is a 240mm f/4.5 Tele-Ennalyt under Revue house branding. Revue is one of the house brands used by the German camera store chain Photo Quelle. Photo Quelle used to also sell Zenits rebadged as Revueflex. Enna Werk in Munich made lenses for them in a variety of lens mounts with the Revue name on them, so I would guess that Photo Quelle just asked them for some in M39 to sell for their rebadged Zenit cameras.

I'm sure it was very easy for them to turn out the rear piece in M39 thread.

Unfortunately, I doubt anyone would know details of these lenses. Hans

Spude was sales manager for Enna for many years, but he has now been retired for almost ten years and would probably not remember. Werner Appelt, the current owner, is the son of the founder, but this deal would have taken place when his father was still alive and running the company.

If they made all the lenses in M39 there would have been 24, 28, 35, 135, 240, and 300. The 300 would have been easiest since it was made in T mount.

Bob

[email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > I have a 39 mm Zenit mount lens, please see it at > > http://store.yahoo.com/fedka/ungertel24.html > > The lens is made in West Germany, called Revue. My question is - why would > West Germany produce a lens is a 39 mm Zenit mount. Were there any other, > non-Soviet, cameras with the 39 Zenit mount?

from minolta mailing list: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 From: "xkaes" [email protected] Subject: Re: Who is Rokinon?

Minolta lenses have always been called "", > > until Minolta dropped the Rokkor name. > > > > Bert

Minolta SLR lenses are labeled either "Minolta", "Rokkor" or "Celtic". Some of these lenses were not made by Minolta (they were made by Tokina, Cosina) but they are still labeled as mentioned. A complete list of Minolta-made lenses is on the MINMAN website. Rokinon is an independent company that came up with a name that sounded like Rokkor to confuse people. That might be the main reason Minolta dropped the Rokkor name from their lenses a few years ago.

from contax mailing list: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 From: Alexander [email protected] Subject: Re: [Contax] More on the rumor story

> Also, remember that zoom lens Leica had made by Sigma?

I hate to be a party pooper, but I have 2 Leica SLR lenses (24mm fixed and the 35-70) both made in Japan by either Sigma or Minolta...

from russian camera mailing list Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 From: Marc James Small [email protected] Subject: ISCO and JSK

Javier Perez wrote: > >Are ISCOs considered to be second rate with respect >to Schneiders or on the same level. I've noticed that >just about every ISCO has a Schneider counterpart.

Yes, in general, ISCO was considered to be of second-rate quality, though the factory was started to manufacture the cutting edge of JSK lenses, such as really advanced aerial recon lenses. But, after the War, Schneider had the good stuff made at Bad Kreuznach and the more mundane stuff at Gottingen. There ARE some good ISCO lenses, but I don't know which ones fall into this category.

Marc [email protected]

From Russian Camera Mailing List: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: ISCO and JSK

Marc James Small at [email protected] wrote: > There ARE some good ISCO lenses, but I don't know which ones > fall into this category.

Today a lot of the professional motion picture projection lenses come from ISCO, particularly the anamorphics.

Bob

From: "Mike" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Makinon Lenses Date: Wed, 15 May 2002

Dan, Makinon was a low end lens who's quality was a little hit & miss. When I owned a camera store in 83 I tested a couple of 28-80 zooms with the idea of selling one with a camera body. One lens focused perfectly while the other did not. The one that focused correctly was a very sharp lens. I have an 11x14 of a light house on the Oregon coast, you can count the vertical parts of the railing.

$70.00 is a fair price IF you are happy with the photos. You can always list it on eBay if it doesn't perform to your satisfaction.

Mike ...

From: [email protected] (Karl Winkler) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: and 50mm f/2 Summicron Versus Older Pentax M42 Spotmatic Date: 19 May 2002

[email protected] (Lewis Lang) wrote > >[There is an obvious exception; the later bayonet mount Takumars were > >mostly cheap and nasty and in any case were not made by Pentax] > > Hi Tony: > The latter bayonette mount Takumars were Takumars and not Super Takumars or SMC > Takumars? - if they are later, I'm wondering why they are using the > earlier/non-coated formulas in bayonette mount...

No, he's correct. My brother has a 28mm f/2.8 Takumar lens with bayonet mount, not made by Pentax, and it's mediocre. Not at all comparable to the earlier SMC Takumar screw lenses or the Pentax SMC "K" or "M" lenses. Well, I suppose they are "comparable", but not in any good way!

-Karl Winkler http://pages.cthome.net/karlwinkler

From: Paul Chefurka [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Leica M6 and 50mm f/2 Summicron Versus Older Pentax M42 Spotmatic Date: Sun, 19 May 2002

[email protected] (Lewis Lang) wrote: >>[There is an obvious exception; the later bayonet mount Takumars were >>mostly cheap and nasty and in any case were not made by Pentax] > >Hi Tony: > >The latter bayonette mount Takumars were Takumars and not Super Takumars or SMC >Takumars? - if they are later, I'm wondering why they are using the >earlier/non-coated formulas in bayonette mount...

They were only called Takumars - they weren't the original Takumar designs. I think they were mostly new third-party designs, called Takumar to differentiate them from the "Pentax" lenses that were in-house designs. The Takumar name made people feel they were getting something with an historical connection to the original Takumar lenses. Kind of like today's "Voigtlander" lenses...

Paul

From: .T.o.n.y. [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Leica M6 and 50mm f/2 Summicron Versus Older Pentax M42 Spotmatic Date: Sun, 19 May 2002

[email protected] (Lewis Lang) wrote: >>[There is an obvious exception; the later bayonet mount Takumars were >>mostly cheap and nasty and in any case were not made by Pentax] > >Hi Tony: > >The latter bayonette mount Takumars were Takumars and not Super Takumars or SMC >Takumars? - if they are later, I'm wondering why they are using the >earlier/non-coated formulas in bayonette mount...

Hi Lewis,

I understand that they were cheap off-brand lenses re-badged Takumar so Asahi could compete with cheap off-brand lenses badged otherwise. If what I was told is correct, most, if not all, bear absolutely no optical resemblance to M42 Takumars.

Best regards,

Tony

From: [email protected] (Gdwnphoto) Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace.35mm Subject: Re: Kalimar lens Date: 18 May 2002

>Kalimar Auto-T Telephoto 1:3.5 f =200mm No. 325727 > >if anyone out there knows anything about the lens or perhaps where I might >find some info I would greatly appreciate it. > >Thanks >Ed

Hi Ed, Kalimar was a distributing company, and they did have some of their own items made as well, dating back to the 1940s/1950s. Tiffen bought them out a few years ago and basically dissolved the company.

Amy Goodwin Photo, Inc. www.goodwinphotoinc.com

From: [email protected] (Largformat) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Date: 24 May 2002 Subject: Re: large format trade show

Yup, they're still at it. In fact, a couple of years ago I was contacted by someone at TT&H about the possible market for the old Cooke soft focus lens. Maybe they decided to make some.

In the May/June 02 issue of View Camera there is a history of Cooke lenes and an announcement of a new lens from them. The new lens will be premiered at the large formnat trade show. steve simmons

Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 From: "bmoag" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: After market lenses...

After researching this topic and trying Nikon and aftermarket lenses I would say that some of the old reasons for purchasing camera brand lenses are no longer valid. This is particularly true of the long wide to tele zooms where the Nikon lens is no better or worse than the Tamron or Sigma, at nearly double the price. Nikon is now building a series of "G" lenses that are priced even lower than Tamron or Sigma equivalents. I have no doubt that Nikon is outsourcing manufacturing, and probably design, to the same manufacturers of aftermarket lenses.

From: T.P. [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: After market lenses... Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002

... (quotes above post)

To an extent, you are right. The Nikon 70-300mm G Series and ED lenses, cheap 'kit' zooms and 28-200mm 'superzoom' are all made under contract by Tamron.

However, you will not find more than a few independent lenses that optically come close to Nikon's fixed focal length lenses and pro zooms. in addition, Nikon make a range of lenses for advanced amateurs that beat almost anything from independent brands.

Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 From: Ray MacDonald [email protected] Subject: RE: Kobori Lens Manufacturing

Dear Bob, Thanks for your help. I think Kobori is still in business as I found them on the Web: http://www.genyosha.com/JCTN/Advertisers/jcia.html

I guess they were one of a number of manufacturers who made lenses under contract to Vivitar in the 1980s.

My 35-105 3.2-4 is a Vivitar design and patent. (made 1983) My 75-205 3.8-4.8 I believe was one of Kobori's designs as there is no patent number on it. (made 1984)

These two consumer lenses are a cut below the Series 1 but not bad for 4X6 prints. They are built like tanks compared to the Vivitars made today.

...

Regards,... Ray MacDonald

Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 From: Gordon Moat [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Does Blad have a Carl Zeiss exclusive?

Quite a bit of information about agreements and co-operation can be found on the http://www.zeiss.de web page, with an English version also available.

Special agreements exist for some products with ALPA. Another very special arrangement occurs with Rollei, especially for products intended for the Rollei Metric photogrammetry system.

There is a rumour that the Zeiss lenses for the Contax 645 are only in 645 format to not upset Hasselblad or Rollei. Economically, it may make simpler sense for them to not compete with each other. However, I wonder what the situation will be since the introduction of the rotating 645 back for the Rollei, which in some ways competes well with the Contax 645.

Exact information about Zeiss lenses for Rollei: http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B58B9/allBySubject/A756E9FE95F8DF3041256A 6F002BAF9A

So a simple answer is that some lenses come direct from the Zeiss Oberkochen plant, and others are made under license by Rollei. I did not look into the situation with Schneider. A table indicating which lenses are made by each is here: http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B58B9/InhaltWWWIntern/EF1F89EC735FEFC3C12 567A80044EEAB

The advantage of the Rollei 6000 system is the range of possible flash sync. This can be greatly useful for some , and other genre as well. Personally, I just tried the handling of a 6008i recently, and I found that I liked it more than any Hasselblad that I have used.

After that all too brief encounter, I am compelled to save up for a new Rollei. There are quite a bit more rental lenses for Hasselblad, but I was very impressed with the Rollei quality. Obviously, this is going against the grain of many Hasselblad users, but I simply felt more comfortable shooting hand held with the Rollei, than the Hasselblad . . . . on a tripod it may make little difference. I should add that I have no aversion to electrical cameras, despite the fact that I own a few mechanical ones.

Information about Zeiss and Hasselblad: http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B58B9/allBySubject/BA9F5C15BF9B51FD41256A 6F002BACDB and http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B58B9/InhaltWWWIntern/2B861F361C41D2FB412 56A5300270A1F

There are some new products for the 200 series Hasselblad discussed on the site. Also, each of the links I provided is available in a frameset from the regular menu. There is a bit more in depth information in the shareholder notes, and in the company history notes. The least amount of information seems to be in the Zeiss and Kyocera dealings.

Since it seems that you have some interest in lens testing, here is some information from Zeiss about equipment: http://www.zeiss.de/de/photo/home_e.nsf/CategoryIntro/Lens_Testing_Techn ology0_Category_Intro

Enjoy your photography.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat Alliance Graphique Studio http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html

ArtKramr wrote:

> It is interesting that the Blads use Carl Zeiss lenses, but other cameras like > the Rolleis use lenses made by other suppliers made on Zeiss licenses. These > are not really Carl Zeiss products. I wonder of Blad and Zeiss signed an > exclusive contract? Anyone know? > > Arthur Kramer > Visit my WW II B-26 website at: > http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From hasselblad mailing list: Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 From: Bernard Cousineau [email protected] Subject: Re: [HUG] Q: CF(E/I) over C?

> How good are Panavision lenses, and who makes them?

Some of the Panavision lenses are made by Elcan (http://www.elcan.com/PandSComCINE.htm), the former (?) Leitz Canada manufacturing facilities.

Bernard

From: "Meryl Arbing" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Does Blad have a Carl Zeiss exclusive? Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002

Sorry, but the similarity between the Sony/Zeiss lenses and the other brands stops at the physical look of the lenses. They are not the same glass, not the same coating and...what is more important...not the same performance. When you go to the Zeiss home page (http://www.zeiss.de) you will see that Zeiss acknowledges that the Sony lenses are 100% Zeiss and each lens carries a Zeiss serial number. The other "look-alike" lenses may well be clones of the real Zeiss lenses. This has certainly happened before with classic Zeiss designs. How many Tessar clones are there?

There is no real comparison between the look-alikes and the Sony/Zeiss. [email protected] wrote... > Zeiss makes the lenses for the Contax 645, all (or at least mostly) in > Japan. > > The "Zeiss" lens (probably made by a 3rd party) of the Sony S70/75/85 > is shared by the Canon G1/G2, 3000/4000, Panasonic LC5/Leica > Digilux 1, 3000, etc. > > Andrew

Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 From: Lourens Smak [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Does Blad have a Carl Zeiss exclusive?

[email protected] (ArtKramr) wrote:

> It is interesting that the Blads use Carl Zeiss lenses, but other cameras > like the Rolleis use lenses made by other suppliers made on Zeiss licenses.

Rollei lenses are made by Rollei itself (apart from the Rolleigon series from the early 80's) according to Zeiss designs and Zeiss specifications & tolerances. It is done this way because of Rollei patents and technology, not because of Zeiss, I was told. (by a zeiss-person)

But: All Rollei lenses have a pre/early-production run that IS made by Zeiss, (marked "Carl Zeiss" and sought after by collectors) before production is transferred to Rollei's lens factory, and from then on lenses are marked "made by Rollei".

Some lenses, like the 120mm S-planar, are also actually made by Zeiss for a larger part. (but not completely!) In fact because of this degree of manufacturing, this one always says Carl Zeiss on the Barrel, instead of "made by Rollei"...

> These > are not really Carl Zeiss products. I wonder of Blad and Zeiss signed an > exclusive contract? Anyone know?

Why would they do that? Zeiss make and sell lenses, the more the better. Even Sony handycams have a Carl Zeiss lens these days...and these ones do say "Carl Zeiss" on the barrel, unlike the Rollei lenses.

;-) Lourens.

[Ed. note: looking for info on Vivitar Series 1 lenses? Here's a kind offer to help...] From: [email protected] (Quietlightphoto) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Date: 02 Jul 2002 Subject: Vivitar Series 1 lens specs

Hello all,

I have the production code for the Series One line. If you would like to know who manufactured it, and what year, send me the serial number. The older one's are quite good!

Quiet Light Photography

from rollei mailing list: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 From: Bob Shell [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] SL 35 ?

Dale Dickerson at [email protected] wrote: > Patric, > > I have a Rolleiflex SL35. The Planar has a great HFT coating. I also > have an adapter to use m42 lenses and a m42 p-6 adapter. I have a set > of CZJ lenses in m42 and p-6. For example, the CZJ p-6 mc 2.8/180 is a > bit heavy, but the results are great. With the Rolleiflex SL35 and two > adapters, I have use of an amazing range of lenses: CZ, CZJ, Rollei, > Schneider and other m42 lens. The camera is very reliable, simple to > use and works even if battery fails. I recommend finding one on ebay and > the two adapters. The mix of great lenses you can use is worth it. The > results will speak for themselves. > Dale

There are two versions of the SL35, the first made by Rollei in Germany and the second made by Rollei in Singapore. Quality control was much better on the German ones. When they first moved production to Singapore someone miscomputed the diopter value of the eyepiece lenses and you could not focus the cameras. I replaced those with eyepiece optics from Minolta SRT cameras at the time so people could focus the cameras. Also, the early production Singapore cameras had meter contacts made from the wron material and they would bend with use until the meter would no longer switch on when you pushed the button. This is difficult to fix since the meter contacts are not easy to reach. If I bought an SL35 I would hold out for one made in Germany.

The best of the lot is the uncommon SL350, which solved all of the problems of the SL35, but was made in very small numbers.

Bob

[Ed. note: can anyone help Ray out on Kobori corp.? Thanks!] Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 From: Ray MacDonald [email protected] To: "'[email protected]'" [email protected] Subject: Kobori Lens Manufacturing

Dear Bob,

I just found out that my 35-105 and 75-205 Vivitar consumer zooms from the 1980s were made by a company called Kobori. They apparently had/have a 3rd party brand called Tefnon.

There's no information about them on your site. Have you heard of them and are they still in business? Thanks for any info you may have.

Regards, Ray MacDonald

from rollei mailing list: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 From: David Seifert [email protected] Subject: Re: [Rollei] Tokina makes the Rolleinar lenses?

Austin,

Yes, it is true! According to Prochnow all the Rolleinar and many of the Voigtlander badged lenses for the 35mm SLR systems were made by a variety of Japanese optics manufacturers, Tokina among them. If you would like specifics, I will be glad to drag out the books.

Best Regards, David Seifert

you wrote: > > It may surprise you to know that Tokina makes the Rolleinar lenses for > > the SLR . >Is this true? > >Thanks, > >Austin

From manual minolta mailing list: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 From: "tonyturnbull" [email protected] Subject: cokin filters thought I would mention that Minolta has sold cokin filters to proquest. Why after 20 years would they do this?

From manual minolta mailing list: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 From: "minoltaman222" [email protected] Subject: Re: cokin filters

Because the only part that made money was the "P" holder. People buy/bought other brands of filters. The "A" and "X" sizes never really caught on because no other company made filters for them.

I suggest you might want to pick up an extra "P" holder if you use them incase the new management changes it.

--- In Minolta@y..., "tonyturnbull" turnbull@f... wrote: > thought I would mention that Minolta has sold cokin filters to > proquest. Why after 20 years would they do this?

From chinese camera mailing list: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 From: "Per Backman" [email protected] Subject: Re: Mingca

They were or are sold by Jessops (UK) as Centon K100. I have forgotten which model. There was some discussion about the different labels on Mingca cameras on this list some time ago.

Per

Eric and Kathy Craft wrote: >Other than ebay, Does anyone know where to buy a >Mingca MCK-1000 or MFK-1000, and how much do they cost >(USD)? > >Eric...

From minolta mailing list: Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 From: "haefr2000" [email protected] Subject: Re: Osawa?

--- In Minolta@y..., "Lucius" unohuu@u... wrote: > anyone know about Osawa lenses...I would like to know who produced > them. I have an interest in a MF 85-200mm lens with floating f/3.5- 4.5 > > lucius

"Osawa", itself is (was?) an export company that had its name stamped on products it distributed. At one time Osawa also exported (still?) high-end moving-coil phonograph cartridges for the golden-ear crowd. I have no idea who actually produced the lenses or the cardridges for them. I had an Osawa zoom lens for a Minolta MD-11 I owned. It was a decent performer for the time, and trouble-free. I could guess that it may have been a relabled Tokina, but I have nothing solid to back up that suspicion.

From: Michael Quack [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Beroflex lens Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002

HLim371292 says...

> I saw this 300/4.5 Beroflex lens on Ebay for canon FD > Never heard of this brand before > is it from the former E. Germany or W. Germany > is related to the Carl Zeiss makers??

It has been a West Berlin company specialised in trading, they never manufactured themselves. Their market segment have been very cheap shitty lenses, with one exception, the so called "Wundertüte" (miracle tube).

The Wundertüte was the 8.0/500 mm Beroflex Mark I, with 72 mm filter thread and apertures stopping down to 22.

The follow-up, which had a 67 mm filter thread and stopped down to 32 was significantly worse. I cannot recommend any of the Beroflex lenses except for the Wundertüte, that I own myself. At less than 100 Dollars a must have in any line-up.

There have been many others producing the same construction, but only Beroflex managed to sustain excellent product quality, clearly separating their Wundertüte from other seller's clones.

Who originally manufactured the Wundertüte is unknown to me, but it is very likely that Cosina is responsible for both construction and production.

-- Michael Quack [email protected]

From: "Ralf C. Kohlrausch" [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Beroflex lens Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002

> HLim371292 says... > > > I saw this 300/4.5 Beroflex lens on Ebay for canon FD > > Never heard of this brand before > > is it from the former E. Germany or W. Germany > > is related to the Carl Zeiss makers??

Amongst other stuff they specialised in providing lenses for the East German Praktica-cameras that were sold in Western Germany and they were the importers of Tamron-lenses from Japan to West-Germany, at least in the lat 70s/early 80s, IIRC. And they were the importers of Pentacon- and Carl-Zeiss-Jena-lenses from East Germany. > > It has been a West Berlin company specialised in trading, > they never manufactured themselves. Their market segment > have been very cheap shitty lenses,

I would not go quite so far, Beroflex just addressed the lower end of the market.

> with one exception, > the so called "Wundertüte" (miracle tube). > > The Wundertüte was the 8.0/500 mm Beroflex Mark I, with > 72 mm filter thread and apertures stopping down to 22.

This lens has been marketed under lots of names, in Germay Beroflex was one of them. In the US of A Cambron and/or Kalimar/Spiratone and the likes used to market this construction. I remember Modern Photography-mail-order-ads quoting excellent test results but don't remember the exact make or resolution numbers.

> The follow-up, which had a 67 mm filter thread and stopped > down to 32 was significantly worse. I cannot recommend > any of the Beroflex lenses except for the Wundertüte, that > I own myself. At less than 100 Dollars a must have in > any line-up.

I agree with this one ;-) I keep combining the Tüte with converters for shooting the moon.

> There have been many others producing the same construction, > but only Beroflex managed to sustain excellent product quality, > clearly separating their Wundertüte from other seller's clones. > > Who originally manufactured the Wundertüte is unknown to me, > but it is very likely that Cosina is responsible for both > construction and production. >

There have been a number of "relatives" of the Wundertüte like 6,3/400 or 5,6/300mm, I don't know about the lens you mentioned though. It is not listed in my 1979 lens catalogue. There seems to have been a 5,5/300 as well. > -- > Michael Quack [email protected] > > Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick any two of the three. easy: The solution is de.rec.fotografie ;-)

Greetings Ralf C.

From Kowa FAQ :

The Kowa Lens Company of Japan reportedly (per Gordon Hutchings, quoted in an EBAY lens sale posting) made at least some of the Computar lenses for Burleigh-Brooks corp. These same lenses were later carried by Kyvyx (after B-B folded), under the Kyvytar name, and also offered independently by Kowa corp. under the Kowa Graphic lens line, in both shutter and barrel variants.

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 From: Andrew [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Leica don't know the standards? Re Hasselblad Dump

"Brian Ellis" [email protected] wrote:

>I understand that Zeiss designed it, which is all the link says. Is it to >be assumed that if Zeiss designed the lens, they also manufactured it for >Leica?

Here's some pics - note the inscription "CARL ZEISS HOLOGON 1:8/15 FÜR LEICA-M." http://homepage1.nifty.com/RLFC/PlaywBody/M_Body/Hologon/hologon_1.html

Andrew

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 From: "Q.G. de Bakker" [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: H1 list mania

Austin Franklin wrote:

> > Or by Minolta or by some gang of Canadians. > > Henry, > > I believe in the case of Canadians/Leica, you are off base. Leica/Leitz > still designed the lenses, they are merely manufactured in Canada. As far > as the "Hasselblad specified Fuji lenses", Zeiss has been designing lenses > for many decades. Hasselblad has never designed a lense, that I am aware > for many decades. Hasselblad has never designed a lense, that I am aware > of. Fuji designed the optics for these lenses, plain and simple.

I don't think Hasselblad's Per Nordlund will be very happy with you belittling his contribution like this... ;-)

It's somehow good to be reminded about the similarities between Leica and Hasselblad: Fuji as a partner (though Leica switched to Panasonic after Hasselblad's XPan); Minolta as a partner; lenses made by Zeiss; die-hard fans vehemently opposing anything that reaks of change; the "old stuff" kept alive because of that; price level; status; hard times keeping alive; investors taking over...

Now when will Hasselblad production be moved to Canada and Portugal? ;-)

From minolta mailing list: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 From: "haefr2000" [email protected] Subject: Re: Vivitar Series 1 AUTO FOCUS ZOOM 19-35mm /3.5-4.5

It's actually made by Cosina and is also available under the Phoenix and perhaps Kalimar brand names, and perhaps several others. It was/is available re-branded as a Tokina, but it is NOT the same lens that Tokina actually makes and sells as their "AF-193" lens of the same speed and focal range. The Cosina 19-35 model has a filter mount that rotates during focusing which complicates use of polarizers and gradient density filters. The Tokina AF-193's front element DOES rotate, but the filter mount does NOT.