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1 1 BEFORE THE NEW YORK STATE SENATE FINANCE AND ASSEMBLY WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEES 2 ---------------------------------------------------- 3 JOINT LEGISLATIVE HEARING 4 In the Matter of the 2018-2019 EXECUTIVE BUDGET ON 5 ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION 6 ---------------------------------------------------- 7 Hearing Room B Legislative Office Building 8 Albany, New York 9 February 27, 2018 10:06 a.m. 10 11 PRESIDING: 12 Senator Catharine M. Young Chair, Senate Finance Committee 13 Assemblywoman Helene E. Weinstein 14 Chair, Assembly Ways & Means Committee 15 PRESENT: 16 Senator Liz Krueger Senate Finance Committee (RM) 17 Assemblyman Robert Oaks 18 Assembly Ways & Means Committee (RM) 19 Senator Thomas F. O'Mara Chair, Senate Committee on 20 Environmental Conservation 21 Assemblyman Steve Englebright Chair, Assembly Committee on 22 Environmental Conservation 23 Senator Patricia A. Ritchie Chair, Senate Committee on Agriculture 24 2 1 2018-2019 Executive Budget Environmental Conservation 2 2-27-18 3 PRESENT: (Continued) 4 Assemblyman William Magee Chair, Assembly Committee on 5 Agriculture 6 Assemblyman Daniel J. O'Donnell Chair, Assembly Committee on 7 Tourism, Parks, Arts and Sports Development 8 Assemblyman Michael J. Cusick 9 Chair, Assembly Committee on Energy 10 Senator Diane J. Savino Vice Chair, Senate Finance Committee 11 Senator Elizabeth O'C. Little 12 Assemblywoman Patricia Fahy 13 Assemblyman Robert Carroll 14 Senator Pamela Helming 15 Senator Brad Hoylman 16 Assemblyman Dan Stec 17 Senator Elaine Phillips 18 Assemblyman Steven Otis 19 Assemblywoman Addie Jenne 20 Assemblywoman Didi Barrett 21 Senator John E. Brooks 22 Assemblywoman Barbara S. Lifton 23 Assemblywoman Deborah J. Glick 24 3 1 2018-2019 Executive Budget Environmental Conservation 2 2-27-18 3 PRESENT: (Continued) 4 Senator Todd Kaminsky 5 Assemblywoman Carrie Woerner 6 Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele, Jr. 7 Assemblyman Walter T. Mosley 8 Assemblyman Clifford W. Crouch 9 Assemblywoman Crystal D. Peoples-Stokes 10 Assemblyman William Colton 11 Assemblywoman Christine Pellegrino 12 Assemblywoman Jaime R. Williams 13 Assemblyman Ken Blankenbush 14 15 16 17 LIST OF SPEAKERS 18 STATEMENT QUESTIONS 19 Basil Seggos Acting Commissioner 20 NYS Department of Environmental Conservation 9 19 21 Rose Harvey 22 Commissioner NYS Office of Parks, Recreation 23 and Historic Preservation 186 193 24 4 1 2018-2019 Executive Budget Environmental Conservation 2 2-27-18 3 LIST OF SPEAKERS, Continued 4 STATEMENT QUESTIONS 5 Richard A. Ball Commissioner 6 NYS Department of Agriculture and Markets 236 241 7 John B. Rhodes 8 Chair NYS Public Service Commission 303 309 9 Alicia Barton 10 President & CEO NYSERDA 398 403 11 Gil Quiniones 12 President & CEO New York Power Authority 452 459 13 Samantha Levy 14 Policy Manager American Farmland Trust 499 504 15 Jessica Ottney Mahar 16 Director of Policy The Nature Conservancy 17 in New York 506 18 Michael Burger Director of Conservation 19 and Science Audubon New York 513 20 Robert Carpenter 21 Administrative Director Long Island Farm Bureau 519 525 22 23 24 5 1 2018-2019 Executive Budget Environmental Conservation 2 2-27-18 3 LIST OF SPEAKERS, Continued 4 STATEMENT QUESTIONS 5 Drew Cavanagh Director 6 Forest Rangers Superior Officers Association 7 Art Perryman Board Member 8 Jason DeAngelis Board Member 9 PBA of New York State 531 10 Conor Bambrick Director of Air and 11 Energy Program Environmental Advocates 12 of New York 542 13 Patrick McClellan State Policy Director 14 New York League of Conservation Voters 548 552 15 Erin Tobin 16 Vice President for Policy and Preservation 17 Preservation League of NYS 554 18 Alison Jenkins Parks Program Director 19 Parks & Trails New York 559 20 Kevin Chlad Director, Government Relations 21 The Adirondack Council 565 22 John Bartow Executive Director 23 Empire State Forest Products Association 572 24 6 1 2018-2019 Executive Budget Environmental Conservation 2 2-27-18 3 LIST OF SPEAKERS, Continued 4 STATEMENT QUESTIONS 5 Neil Woodworth Executive Director and 6 Counsel Adirondack Mountain Club 577 7 James Dukett 8 Program Manager Adirondack Lake Survey Corp. 582 9 Erik Kulleseid 10 Executive Director Alliance for NYS Parks 11 Senior Vice President Open Space Institute 586 12 John v.H. Halsey 13 President Peconic Land Trust 591 594 14 Evelyn Powers 15 Senior Manager Interstate Environmental 16 Commission 597 17 Mark Dunlea Chairperson 18 Green Education and Legal Fund 605 19 Libby Post 20 Executive Director NYS Animal Protection 21 Federation 612 22 Geoff Baldwin President 23 New York Water Environment Association 614 24 7 1 CHAIRWOMAN YOUNG: I can't believe how 2 quiet it is in here. 3 (Laughter.) 4 CHAIRWOMAN YOUNG: This has never 5 happened in the history of hearings, so I 6 congratulate everybody. 7 (Laughter.) 8 CHAIRWOMAN YOUNG: Good morning. I'm 9 Senator Catharine Young, and I am chair of 10 the Senate Standing Committee on Finance. 11 I'd like to welcome my colleagues, 12 especially Assemblywoman Helene Weinstein, 13 who is chair of the Ways and Means Committee 14 in the Assembly. 15 And I'll start by introducing some of 16 our colleagues who have joined us today. So 17 we have Senator Liz Krueger, who is ranking 18 member of the Finance Committee. We've got 19 Senator Tom O'Mara, chair of the Senate 20 Standing Committee on Environmental 21 Conservation. Senator Todd Kaminsky, ranking 22 member of EnCon. Senator John Brooks, 23 Senator Brad Hoylman, Senator Elaine 24 Phillips, and Senator Pam Helming. 8 1 Did I miss anyone? 2 Okay, Assembly? 3 CHAIRWOMAN WEINSTEIN: We're joined by 4 Assemblyman Englebright, chair of our EnCon 5 Committee; Assemblyman Cusick, chair of our 6 Energy Committee; Assemblyman O'Donnell, 7 chair of our Tourism Committee; Assemblyman 8 Otis, Assemblywoman Lifton, Assemblyman 9 Mosley, Assemblywoman Woerner, Assemblywoman 10 Barrett, Assemblywoman Glick, Assemblyman 11 Carroll, and Assemblyman Thiele. 12 And our ranker, Bob Oaks. 13 ASSEMBLYMAN OAKS: Yes, we've also 14 been joined by Assemblyman Crouch and 15 Assemblyman Stec. 16 CHAIRWOMAN YOUNG: Thank you. 17 The length of the hearing typically is 18 related to the number of pages of speakers 19 that we have. Today we have a three-pager. 20 So I would remind the speakers to summarize 21 as best as you can. Don't read your 22 testimony. And we also remind the members to 23 stay within the time limits. 24 Pursuant to the State Constitution and 9 1 Legislative Law, the fiscal committees of the 2 State Legislature are authorized to hold 3 hearings on the Executive Budget. Today's 4 hearing, the final of 13, will be limited to 5 a discussion of the Governor's proposed 6 budget for the Department of Environmental 7 Conservation, the Office of Parks, Recreation 8 and Historic Preservation, the Department of 9 Agriculture and Markets, the New York State 10 Energy Research and Development Authority, 11 and the New York Power Authority. 12 Following each presentation there will 13 be some time allowed for questions from the 14 chairs of the fiscal committees and other 15 legislators. 16 I'd like to welcome Basil Seggos, 17 commissioner of the Department of 18 Environmental Conservation. And he will be 19 followed by the commissioner of the Office of 20 Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation, 21 Rose Harvey. 22 So welcome, Commissioner. Glad to 23 have you here today. 24 COMMISSIONER SEGGOS: Great to be here 10 1 today. Thank you. Good morning, Chairwoman 2 Young, Chairwoman Weinstein -- 3 (Interruption from protestors in 4 audience.) 5 CHAIRWOMAN YOUNG: Are you on the 6 speakers list? 7 (Protestors continue.) 8 CHAIRWOMAN YOUNG: Thank you. Please 9 take a seat. I'd like to let people know, we 10 do have a process where people are allowed to 11 speak, but you need to go through the 12 process. 13 (Protestors continue.) 14 CHAIRWOMAN YOUNG: I apologize, 15 Commissioner, for that rude interruption. 16 And we do have a process where 17 speakers and citizens are allowed to speak. 18 That's what today is about. As I said, we 19 have three pages of people who are speaking 20 today. And I would encourage people to 21 follow the process, because it's a disservice 22 to everyone who is here to speak. 23 So Commissioner? 24 COMMISSIONER SEGGOS: Thank you, 11 1 Chairwoman Young, Chairwoman Weinstein and 2 members of the legislative fiscal and 3 environmental conservation committees. I'm 4 Basil Seggos, commissioner of the DEC. And 5 on behalf of DEC's nearly 3,000 dedicated 6 professionals, thank you for the opportunity 7 to discuss the Governor's environmental 8 priorities for states fiscal year 2018-2019. 9 With me this year are Chief of Staff 10 Julie Tighe and Deputy Commissioner for 11 Administration Jeff Stefanko. 12 The past year has seen a dramatic 13 retreat from environmental protection at the 14 federal level. Washington is leading an 15 attack on the environment and science, and it 16 is jeopardizing the great gains we have made 17 as a nation over the last 40 years. New 18 York, by contrast, has set a high bar in 19 environmental leadership. Protecting our air, 20 water, and natural resources is critical not 21 just for safeguarding human health, but for 22 securing New York's economic future. 23 Thanks to the Legislature, our many 24 partners in advocacy, local government and 12 1 business, and Governor Cuomo's unwavering 2 commitment to the environment, New York is 3 providing national leadership on some of the 4 most pressing issues of our time. 5 While Washington works to decimate 6 federal funding for the environment, New York 7 is investing billions to expand renewable 8 energy, to strengthen clean water 9 infrastructure, and complete resiliency 10 projects across the state.