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Official Committee Hansard COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA Official Committee Hansard SENATE FOREIGN AFFAIRS, DEFENCE AND TRADE REFERENCES COMMITTEE Reference: Disposal of Defence properties THURSDAY, 19 OCTOBER 2000 FREMANTLE BY AUTHORITY OF THE SENATE INTERNET The Proof and Official Hansard transcripts of Senate committee hearings, some House of Representatives committee hearings and some joint com- mittee hearings are available on the Internet. Some House of Representa- tives committees and some joint committees make available only Official Hansard transcripts. The Internet address is: http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard To search the parliamentary database, go to: http://search.aph.gov.au SENATE FOREIGN AFFAIRS, DEFENCE AND TRADE REFERENCES COMMITTEE Thursday, 19 October 2000 Members: Senator Hogg (Chair), Senator Sandy Macdonald (Deputy Chair), Senators Bourne, Hutchins, Lightfoot and West Participating members: Senators Abetz, Bolkus, Boswell, Brown, Calvert, Chapman, Cook, Coonan, Crane, Eggleston, Faulkner, Ferguson, Ferris, Forshaw, Gibbs, Gibson, Harradine, Harris, Knowles, Mason, McGauran, Murphy, Payne, Tchen, Tierney and Watson Senators in attendance: Senators Hogg, Hutchins, Lightfoot and West Terms of reference for the inquiry: For inquiry into and report on: 1. The importance and value of the Western Australian Army Museum and the Fremantle Artillery Barracks. 2. Whether the Fremantle Artillery Barracks is the most appropriate and suitable location for the Museum. 3. The reason for the disposal of the Fremantle Artillery Barracks. 4. The disposal of the Fremantle Artillery Barracks and the probity of the disposal process. 5. How the Australian Defence Organisation (ADO) decides whether property is surplus to requirements and the management or disposal of surplus property. 6. Sale and lease-back of ADO property. 7. Any other matter related to the above-mentioned issues. WITNESSES ALEXANDER, Dr Ian Christopher (Private capacity).............................................................................154 ANSTEY, Mr Stephen William, Spokesperson, Residents Action Group and Precinct 3, City of Fremantle.......................................................................................................................................................121 BAMFORTH, Mr Peter Harvey, Secretary and Treasurer, Military Historical Society of Australia (WA Branch)...................................................................................................................................93 BLADEN, Mr Ken, State President, Returned and Services League of Australia, Western Australian Branch...........................................................................................................................................83 BODYCOAT, Mr Ronald Barrie, Member of Council and Honorary Architect, Royal Western Australian Historical Society (Inc.) .............................................................................................................101 BRIDGES, Mr Paul, Deputy Curator, Army Museum of Western Australia...........................................47 BRIDGES, Mr Paul (Private capacity) .......................................................................................................160 DALTON, Mr James Richard, Board Member, Army Museum of Western Australia Foundation.......47 DEYKIN, Mr John Dewar, Board Chairman, Army Museum of Western Australia Foundation..........47 DOBIE, Mr Peter David (Private capacity)................................................................................................157 DOWSON, Mr John, President, Fremantle Society...................................................................................137 GORDON, Mr John-Baron, Precinct Convenor, City Precinct of the City of Fremantle......................108 GORDON, Mr John-Baron (Private capacity)...........................................................................................162 HALL, Mr Don, Member, State Executive, Returned and Services League of Australia, Western Australian Branch .......................................................................................................................................... 83 HANDCOCK, Mr Ian Gilbert (Private capacity)...................................................................................... 150 HASKELL, Mr William James (Private capacity).................................................................................... 116 HIGHAM, Mr Malcolm Ian, Member, Military Historical Society of Australia (WA Branch).............. 93 HOURNE, Mr Geoff, Member, State Executive, Returned and Services League of Australia, Western Australian Branch........................................................................................................................... 83 HOWARD, Mr Patrick John, Member, Residents Action Group and Precinct 3, City of Fremantle ...................................................................................................................................................... 121 KERRIDGE, Mr Royce (Private capacity) ................................................................................................ 146 KNOWLES, Mr Trevor John, Secretary, Fremantle Society................................................................... 137 LLOYD, Mr Anthony Thomas (Private capacity)..................................................................................... 156 LOCKWOOD, Mr Brian (Private capacity).............................................................................................. 159 LOVE, Mrs Judith Anne, Vice President, Mundaring and Hills Historical Society .............................. 132 McPHERSON, Mr Douglas James (Private capacity) .............................................................................. 106 OLSON, Mrs Dale Wendy, Secretary, Board of Management, Army Museum of Western Australia Foundation...................................................................................................................................... 47 SWEETMAN, Mr John Raymond, Board Member, Army Museum of Western Australia Foundation....................................................................................................................................................... 47 SWEETMAN, Mr John Raymond, Member, Military Historical Society of Australia (WA Branch) ............................................................................................................................................................ 93 TAYLOR, Major General Ken Joseph (Private capacity)........................................................................ 110 TAYLOR, Mr Allan Henry (Private capacity) .......................................................................................... 148 WELLS, Mr Norman Tattershall (Private capacity) ................................................................................ 143 Thursday, 19 October 2000 SENATE—References FAD&T 47 Committee met at 9.05 a.m. BRIDGES, Mr Paul, Deputy Curator, Army Museum of Western Australia DALTON, Mr James Richard, Board Member, Army Museum of Western Australia Foundation DEYKIN, Mr John Dewar, Board Chairman, Army Museum of Western Australia Foundation OLSON, Mrs Dale Wendy, Secretary, Board of Management, Army Museum of Western Australia Foundation SWEETMAN, Mr John Raymond, Board Member, Army Museum of Western Australia Foundation CHAIR—I declare open this public hearing looking into the disposal of Defence properties. Before inviting the representatives of the Army Museum of Western Australia Foundation to present their evidence, I just want to make a brief statement. Arising out of evidence that was taken yesterday from the Fremantle City Council, their submission, No. 16, said: More disturbing is the admission from Defence Estate Organisation representatives following the announcement of this Senate Inquiry, that the inquiry will have no impact on the sale of the Fremantle Artillery Barracks which will proceed regardless of the Inquiry outcomes (meeting at the City of Fremantle offices on 15/9/2000). I was approached by Mr Bain from the Defence Estate office at the conclusion of yesterday’s meeting to say that that was not a true reflection of the way in which matters were conveyed to the Fremantle City Council. Mr Bain wanted to have the opportunity to refute that statement today and I am not denying natural justice, but I said we will take that in evidence when we have the Defence Estate Organisation before us on 10 November in Canberra. For the sake of the other witnesses who will appear today, and for the record at this early stage, I just advise that Defence Estate do have a different view of the events that did take place that day and what may have been said. Having said that, I welcome to this hearing representatives of the Army Museum of Western Australia Foundation. The committee prefers all evidence to be given in public, but should you at any stage wish to give any part of your evidence in private you may ask to do so and the committee will consider your request. The committee has before it a written submission from the Army Museum of Western Australia Foundation. Are there any alterations or additions you would like to make to your submission at this stage? Mr Deykin—There are none, Mr Chairman. We will be covering all the aspects in speaking to the submission. CHAIR—I now invite you to make an opening statement and then we will proceed to questions. FOREIGN AFFAIRS, DEFENCE AND TRADE FAD&T 48 SENATE—References Thursday, 19 October 2000
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