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First Session - Thirty-Ninth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable George Hickes Speaker Vol. LIX No. 13A – 10 a.m., Tuesday, October 2, 2007 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Ninth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital N.D.P. ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley N.D.P. ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson N.D.P. BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli N.D.P. BLADY, Sharon Kirkfield Park N.D.P. BOROTSIK, Rick Brandon West P.C. BRAUN, Erna Rossmere N.D.P. BRICK, Marilyn St. Norbert N.D.P. BRIESE, Stuart Ste. Rose P.C. CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan N.D.P. CULLEN, Cliff Turtle Mountain P.C. DERKACH, Leonard Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary, Hon. Concordia N.D.P. DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside P.C. FAURSCHOU, David Portage la Prairie P.C. GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach P.C. GRAYDON, Cliff Emerson P.C. HAWRANIK, Gerald Lac du Bonnet P.C. HICKES, George, Hon. Point Douglas N.D.P. HOWARD, Jennifer Fort Rouge N.D.P. IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri, Hon. Fort Garry N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. JHA, Bidhu Radisson N.D.P. KORZENIOWSKI, Bonnie St. James N.D.P. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar, Hon. The Pas N.D.P. LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. La Verendrye N.D.P. MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns N.D.P. MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden P.C. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARCELINO, Flor Wellington N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McFADYEN, Hugh Fort Whyte P.C. McGIFFORD, Diane, Hon. Lord Roberts N.D.P. MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East P.C. NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake N.D.P. OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River N.D.P. PEDERSEN, Blaine Carman P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Rupertsland N.D.P. RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia N.D.P. ROWAT, Leanne Minnedosa P.C. SARAN, Mohinder The Maples N.D.P. SCHULER, Ron Springfield P.C. SELBY, Erin Southdale N.D.P. SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface N.D.P. STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin-Roblin N.D.P. SWAN, Andrew Minto N.D.P. TAILLIEU, Mavis Morris P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosann, Hon. Swan River N.D.P. 635 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Tuesday, October 2, 2007 The House met at 10 a.m. hospitals to follow and ensures that we change to a more open culture in terms of sharing medical PRAYER information and sharing what is on the medical ORDERS OF THE DAY record with the patient and with the family. PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS I would like to recognize the fact that Mimi Raglan is in the gallery today as is her husband, SECOND READINGS–PUBLIC BILLS Blake Taylor, and as is Leslie Worthington, who has Bill 204–The Personal Health Information been a very strong advocate for improved health care Amendment Act in Manitoba. Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Mr. Speaker, I It is important that we recognize what has move, seconded by the MLA for Inkster (Mr. happened, that we learn from the mistakes, and that Lamoureux), that Bill 204, The Personal Health we improve going forward. Here is an instance Information Act; Loi modifiant la Loi sur les where we clearly can learn from what was a major renseignements médicaux personnels, be now read a mistake in the case of Mimi Raglan's mother, and we second time and be referred to a committee of this can learn, going forward, by making the changes in House. the process so that there is a much more open system than there has been in the past. It is important that Motion presented. patients and their families are real participants in Mr. Gerrard: Mr. Speaker, I rise to speak to care. Bill 204. In this legislative session, Manitoba Patients and families now have access to all sorts Liberals are presenting a number of bills dealing of health information, not only in books but on the with health-care issues. Our goal in presenting these Internet, from friends, from a wide variety of bills is to protect medicare for future generations. It sources, and it is important that the patient, for their is a sad but true fact that we have to protect every own well-being, that the patient is well informed, day our health-care system from the machinations of that the family is well informed. The uncertainties the NDP government and the mismanagement that's created by being poorly informed are significant, and going on. But it is nevertheless true, and that's one of those uncertainties and anxieties only serve to make the reasons why we have this legislation being put the hospital stay worse, to hinder the healing process forward today. and to cause problems in health care. It is time that The aim of this legislation is to ensure that those we change. who are in hospital or in a personal care home will Just recently, I was in visiting a friend who was have access to information on their medical records in hospital. Exactly this sort of situation was within 24 hours instead of the current 30 days. I want happening, that she and her family were not getting to recognize right away that this bill has come about good information, were not sure what was in part as the result of the efforts of Mimi Raglan and happening. It was creating a lot of unnecessary others. Mimi Raglan and her mother sought to get anxiety, unease. It was causing mental anguish, access to her mother's medical records when she was unnecessarily so, and worsening the whole healing in hospital. Sadly, her mother passed away 18 days process. If we want healing to occur well and after she was admitted to hospital. optimally, then we need to ensure that patients and families have access to information about what is The 30-day benchmark was not good enough. It going on, and it needs to be done in an open way. did no good at all for Mimi Raglan's mother, and it is not good enough for anyone else in Manitoba either. With this legislation, I suggest, Mr. Speaker, that It is time to change the system; it is time to make hospitals and personal care homes will make sure sure that there is quick access to medical records. We that when somebody is admitted to hospital they put this bill forward in a way that is feasible for outline the process and make sure that records are 636 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2007 readily available. This is about making a change in because it's an important step forward. We're going the culture from the way the health-care system has to find out very shortly whether the NDP have done worked too often in the past, being protective, their homework. covering up information, rather than being open with An Honourable Member: The rumour is they will information and sharing information. do it. * (10:10) Mr. Gerrard: Good. Well, that's excellent that On countless occasions, I have experienced they're going to–[interjection] No, but at least we've instances where patients and their families, because got a step forward. they have been informed, have helped with the care, Mr. Speaker, this is an important bill. I would have improved the care, and have been wonderful hope it will have support from MLAs on all sides of participants in aiding the process of healing. That is the Chamber, and let us hope that we can move it what we need to achieve, and that is why we need forward today, pass it so it will go to committee. this bill. That is why we need to make the changes Thank you. that we Liberals are bringing in today. This bill will provide for a consistent policy all over Manitoba. It Ms. Jennifer Howard (Fort Rouge): Mr. Speaker, I is good that some hospitals, some institutions are want to do my best to meet the expectations of the moving in this direction now, and I say to those who Member for River Heights, having done my are, good for you; that's what needs to be done. But homework on the legislation that he's proposed. what we need is a consistent policy all over I want to speak a little bit, and I think the Manitoba. We don't need one policy for the Grace member has noted that there have been several Hospital and another policy for the soon-to-be-built improvements and steps forward in the culture of hospital in Cross Lake which the Member for The health care when it comes to admitting patient errors Pas (Mr. Lathlin) is going to be advocating for. We and trying to develop a culture that learns from its want to have one policy all over Manitoba. mistakes instead of hides its mistakes. I think one of What we need is to change and what we need is the things that is most promising in that regard has the improvement in the system, and that is why my been the formation of the Manitoba patient safety colleague, the MLA for Inkster (Mr. Lamoureux) and institute under the able leadership of Dr. Paul I have brought forward this bill at Second Reading.