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DISCLAIMER Uno cial Hansard This transcript of Parliamentary proceedings is an uno cial version of the Hansard and may contain inaccuracies. It is hereby published for general purposes only. The nal edited version of the Hansard will be published when available and can be obtained from the Assistant Clerk (Editorial). THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Mabuse M. Pule, MP. (Mochudi East)

Clerk of the National Assembly - Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel - Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) - Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP. - President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) - Vice President Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP. (Molepolole South) - Administration

Hon. K. T. Mmusi, MP. (Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon. Dr L. Kwape, MP. (Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Goodhope-Mabule ) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon. K. S. Gare, MP. (Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation Hon. P. K. Kereng, MP. (Specially Elected) - and Tourism Hon. Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP. (Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon. T.M. Segokgo, MP. (Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. T. M. Rakgare, MP. (Mogoditshane) - Development

Hon. A. M. Mokgethi, MP. (Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon. Dr T. Matsheka, MP. (Lobatse) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP. (Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP. (Tati East) - Technology Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Hon. L. M. Moagi, MP. (Ramotswa) - Energy Security

Hon. P. O. Serame, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. M. Balopi, MP. (Gaborone North) - Development

Hon. M. Kgafela, MP. (Mochudi West) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Hon. D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP. (Gaborone South) - Public Administration Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP. (Specially Elected) - Development Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. S. N. Modukanele, MP. (Lerala -Maunatlala) - Development Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Hon. B. Manake, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP. (Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. N. W. T. Makwinja, MP. (Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education

Hon. M. S. Molebatsi, MP. (Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. H. B. Billy, MP. (Francistown East) - Development Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP. (Chobe) - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

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RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon. L. Kablay, MP. (Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. Specially Elected Hon. M. R. Reatile, MP. Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon. P. Majaga, MP. Nata-Gweta Hon. J. S. Brooks, MP. Kgalagadi South Hon. C. Greeff, MP. Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. T. Letsholo, MP. Kanye North Hon. T. F. Leuwe, MP. Takatokwane Hon. T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP. Gaborone Central Hon. S. N. Moabi, MP. Tati West Hon. T. Monnakgotla, MP. Kgalagadi North Hon. P. K. Motaosane, MP. Thamaga-Kumakwane Hon. O. Regoeng, MP. Molepolole North Hon. J. L. Thiite, MP. Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. D. Saleshando, MP. (Leader of the Opposition) Maun West Hon. A. Lesaso, MP. (Acting Opposition Whip) Shoshong Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP. Selebi Phikwe West Hon. Y. Boko, MP Mahalapye East Hon. Dr K. Gobotswang, MP. Sefhare-Ramokgonami Hon. C. K. Hikuama, MP. Ngami Hon. K. K. Kapinga, MP Okavango Hon. G. Kekgonegile, MP. Maun East Hon. P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP. Tonota Hon. T. B. Lucas, MP. Bobonong Hon. M. G. J. Motsamai, MP. Ghanzi South Hon. K. Nkawana, MP. Selebi Phikwe East Hon. O. Ramogapi, MP. Palapye Hon. Dr N. Tshabang, MP. Nkange Hon. D. Tshere, MP. Mahalapye West Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP. Francistown West (Botswana Patriotic Front) Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. Serowe West Hon. L. Lesedi, MP. Serowe South Hon. B. Mathoothe, MP. Serowe North (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP. Francistown South TABLE OF CONTENTS THE FIRST MEETING OF THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT THURSDAY 12 NOVEMBER, 2020

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QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...... 20-25

SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCEMENTS...... 1

Response to the President’s Speech Motion (Resumed Debate)...... 1-19, 26-55

Thursday 12th November, 2020 RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT’ S SPEECH Motion (Resumed Debate)

Thursday 12th November 2020 MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members. The debate on this Motion is resuming today. When the THE ASSEMBLY met at 11:00 a.m. House adjourned yesterday, Honourable Mzwinila was (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) on the floor and he was left with 12 minutes, 14 seconds.

P R A Y E R S MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): * * * * I thank you Honourable Speaker. In terms of the Land Management Reform Agenda, other aspects which are …Silence… going to be looked at are in terms of the agricultural SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCEMENTS land or land usage. One issue is in terms of the ranches for small stock. We have been allocating ranches MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Honourable for livestock for beef cattle and also for small stock. Members, in accordance with Standing Order 99.1 However, the ranches we have been allocating for small and Standing Order 99.2, I am pleased to inform you stock have been relatively small in size and we are going that the Committee on Selection met on Wednesday, to review whether it is not time for us to have bigger th the 11 of November 2020 to fill vacancies arising in size small stock ranches in line with the initiative of His Parliamentary Committees following the recent Cabinet Excellency the President, of initiating a transformation movements and appointments. Honourable Dr Unity of the small stock industry. We will now be looking at Dow has therefore been appointed to the following committees; small stock ranches of 2 km by 2 km or 3 km by 3 km to enable commercial small stock production. 1. Wildlife, Tourism, National Resources and Climate Change In addition, in conjunction with the Ministry of 2. Youth, Sports, Arts and Culture Agriculture and Food Security, we are going to be looking and assessing the feasibility, viability and 3. Members Rights, Interests and Privileges sustainability of continuing with livestock watering 4. Statutory Bodies and State-Owned Enterprises points which are 6 km apart… 5. Committee on Government Assurances HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso.

6. African, Caribbean and Pacific-European Union MR MZWINILA: …and also the issue of the size of (ACP-EU). ranches. At the present moment, our size of ranches is Honourable Members, as a consequence of these around 6 km by 6 km. appointments, several committees also met on Wednesday 11th November 2020 and decided their HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso. Chairpersons as follows; MR MZWINILA: In terms of the livestock watering 1. The Committee on Statutory Bodies and State- points... Owned Enterprises, they elected the Honourable Dr Never Tshabang. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. 2. The Special Select Committee on Sustainable MR MZWINILA: I yield. Development Goals elected the Honourable Wynter B. Mmolotsi. MR SALESHANDO: Elucidation. Ke a go utlwa gore le fetola sizes tsa small stock because of the President’s Order! Order! Honourable Members, let us now proceed initiative. I need you to reconcile this; mmueledi wa ga to the business of today, which is a response to the Tautona o tlhola a tlhalosa gore golo mo ga se lenaneo President’s Speech. la Puso, ke la ga Tautona ka bo ene. A o ka fetola policy RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT’S gore e tsamaelane le selo se Puso e reng ga se ga bone, SPEECH ke ga ga Tautona? How do you reconcile this? Motion MR MZWINILA: I thank you. We reconcile based on the national need and what Batswana want. We (Resumed Debate) are moving towards greater commercialisation,

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nationalisation and knowledge management of the small In Bobonong, we are supposed to connect 10 villages stock sector as a result of His Excellency the President’s to the Thune dam, five of these villages have been initiative, we respond and react accordingly. connected; Bobonong, Mathathane, Molalatau, Tsetsebjwe and the other village I cannot recall. We As I was saying about livestock watering points or have five more villages which we need to ensure that meraka, we want to see whether the time has not come we connect water to, being; Motlhabaneng, Mabolwe, for us to reduce the distances from 6 km to 4 km, or Lepokole, Gobojango and Semolale, and we are going even 3 km based on two issues; one is saturation. At the present moment, it is very difficult to find anywhere or to hastily ensure that we do this. any piece of land you can have livestock watering points In Mmadinare Constituency, we are increasing the water and emerging and new farmers especially the youth, are supply to Sefhophe and Tobane villages by increasing having difficulty with finding land for the cattle posts. the size of the reservoir or the reservoir capacity. We Also the size of ranches, because of ranch management issues, we have said 6 km by 6 km, but it was initially are also going to embark on the World Bank project 8 km by 8 km. We now want to see that our national of Mmadinare to Serule Pipeline, which will service herd, the ranch management practices and the carrying and secure water security for Mmadinare, Serule, capacity of the land in terms of the number of cattle and Gojwane, Topisi, Damchojenaa and Moreomabele. the average carrying capacity of individual farmers are North-South Carrier (NSC) 2 Contract three is also in commensurate with 6 km or we go lower. the final procurement stage, which will service Serowe, Mahalapye, Shoshong and Radisele. In terms of His Excellency the President’s report on the water sector, His Excellency has the prerogative and the Palapye Water Treatment Plant was also started during duty to inform the nation in terms of the water project. this current year; it is also a massive project. Mahalapye Over the past 12 months, there have been significant Water Treatment Plant has also commenced, and it and exponential growth in the water sector, as many will service the water deficit in Mahalapye and the surrounding villages. Tswapong South villages; we major projects have been embarked upon. In Maun, the have already found the contractor, we are going to do contractor is on site and it is the testament to the resolve, ground-breaking within the next month. It is going to dedication and determination of this Government. be a permanent, sustainable and viable solution to the As they say, ‘seeing is believing,’ the contractor is on stress that the people of Tswapong South villages have site, there is no question as to our resolve in terms of been experiencing. ensuring that the great people of Maun have adequate water supply in the coming years. I have already mentioned Maun, but just for emphasis because I think this is an issue that came out yesterday, In Kasane, we have two big water projects; one is for we are doing our best and we are going to ensure that we waste water, the other one is for portable water treatment continue doing our best. We actually have four projects and both of them have started. In Nata-Gweta, we are for Maun, the contractor started Contract one, we are proceeding with the implementation of the Sua Master procuring and looking for the contractor of Contract Plan under the World Bank Projects to ensure that two. the people have water and that delay has been caused by administrative issues between us and the funder, Shakawe; we have a water treatment plant which we are which is the World Bank and we hope to resolve these going to commission within the next 12 months, it will administrative and procurement issues in the next few service the villages in the Shakawe area. Same thing months. with Gumare; Gumare has been water stressed for some time, and we have a water treatment plant which will We have started within this past 12-month period, a supply a sustainable relief for the area. very large project in the north east area which supplies 52 villages in the constituencies of Tati East, Nkange, In Ghanzi we are doing a land servicing project. We are Tati West and Shashe West. Those are very big projects finishing the designs, and very soon we will start the and it was the milestone, a first World Bank project we project. started. In Selebi Phikwe, we are doing a massive land servicing project which is currently undergoing some Masama Pipeline which was refused by the 11th administrative challenges but we hope to resolve them Parliament but agreed by the 12th Parliament has in the near future. commenced, and by August 2021, the project would

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be completed. The beneficial areas which will derive and human consumption. That is where we need the benefits from this project are; Kgatleng, Gaborone, expertise, technology and knowhow of international Tlokweng, Mogoditshane, Ramotswa- specifically partners. All water is recycled, and will go through a Magope and Disana, Molepolole, Kanye, Goodhope- reclamation process, thus it will be no different, the only Mabule, Mmathethe, Molapowabojang and Kopong. We difference is that we are doing it faster, we are taking are also going to commission next month, Ramotswa sewage, wastewater and within a day or two, we will be Water Treatment Plant which will be a solution to the converting it to portable drinking water. I have visited water stress of the Ramotswa area and also Mmankgodi. these plants, our neighbours, Namibia and South Africa It is very important that all these projects on an annual have these wastewater reclamation plants. I visited basis, the Head of State in his capacity as the chief them, we are the only ones who are not embracing implementer, provides an update, and as the update has this technology, and as part of the Fourth Industrial shown, we are doing the best we can with the resources Revolution (4IR), we are duty bound to embrace this we have. With the leadership of His Excellency the technology, and also as being a water scarce and water President, we are fast-tracking many projects and insecure country, we must embrace it. I have tasted the actually, this sector, is one sector where by the end of water and it is very good, it is of very high quality, even the financial year, we would have exhausted the whole higher quality than borehole water. That is the direction budget that was allocated to us. we are going. I plead and ask this august House to assist me in ensuring that public perception about these In Makopong and Driehoek, we are drilling boreholes, projects is correct, that we can turn sewage water into we took a decision to buy a drill rig and associated portable water and it will be completely safe for human facilities. We are drilling right now and we will usage and a sustainable long-term solution. I thank you hopefully, strike water. Mr Speaker.

Gaborone; we have Gaborone Master Plan to ensure MR HIKUAMA (NGAMI): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa water security in the Gaborone area. We are fixing Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Glen Valley. There was a foul odour coming from Glen Palamente, mma ke simolole ka go leboga Tona wa Valley and within the next month, we will reduce that Tikologo le Bojanala, Mme Honourable Kereng, gore odour and make the system more effective. Lobatse a bo a ne a apere sentle ka letsatsi la State of the Nation water management or Lobatse Water Master Plan Address, a apere kapari ya morafe wa segaetsho. will also be launched or ground-breaking will be done. The contractor is on site, and there is no better HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)... testimony to the veracity of our commitment than to MR HIKUAMA: E bile ke tlise malebo kwa go ene, a have the contractor on site, and it will relief the water a tswang kwa go bomme ba morafe wa Ovambanderu shortage situation in Ramotswa, Otse and Mmathethe- le Ovaherero, gore ba itumetse thata go bo o ne o apere Molapowabojang Constituency. ngwao ya bone. Selo se se paletseng Puso ya Domkrag Goodhope Master Plan, we are also in the process of go se dira dingwaga tse di masome a matlhano le bone. getting the contractor. We should get the contractor by HONOURABLE MEMBER: O senya gone foo. next month. It will cover a project that will relief 21 villages in the Goodhope-Mabule Constituency. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)…

We are also seriously making progress, commendable MR HIKUAMA: …(Laughter!)… Fa re bua ka progress in terms of wastewater reclamation. We popagano ya setšhaba le go amogelana re le batho ba procured a transaction advisor about the project. The tšhaba ya Botswana, re raya dilo tse di ntseng jaana. Re transaction advisor has advised us and provided the raya batho ba ba amogelang se se dirwang ke ba bangwe, report which we have accepted on how to convert sewage e le selo se se tshwanetseng sa dirwa ke mongwe le water into portable water. Basically, there will be three mongwe go sena lenyatso. Jaanong mo boemong jwa steps in this process, the first two steps are the collection go dira jaana, Puso ya Domkrag mo dingwageng tse di of sewage water and the treatment of this sewage masome a matlhano le bone, when it comes to nation water to grey water standards, which we are presently building, e ne ya kgona fela to create two sets of people; doing at Glen Valley. The final step is the conversion the superordinate group of people ba e leng gore they of the grey water to portable water for households are made of the Tswana stock and the subordinate set

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of people ba ba dirilweng ke merafe e e sa kgoneng go Honourable Member of Parliament for Ngami gore bua Setswana. Motlotlegi Mma Kereng o kgonne go jaaka Tautona a ne a bua, Goromente is committed to a supegetsa Puso ya Domkrag gore through your policy Constitutional review e e tlaabong e le comprehensive. ya merafe le meratshwana, this Assimilation Policy, e Jaaka Tautona a tlhalositse, e ya go simololwa mo kgonne go dira lenyatso mo bathong ba bangwe le to tshimologong ya ngwaga o o tlang. Jaaka o ntse o bua, create mo gotweng self-hate mo bathong ba gotweng ke tse o di buang tseo, ke tsone tse e leng gore e tlaa re meratshwana. Kana se Puso ya Domkrag e kgonneng go fa e sekasekwa, batho ba bo ba di lebile. E bile ke go se dira mo dingwageng tse ke gore, batho ba merafe e, tlhomamisetse gore keletso ya Batswana botlhe ke gore ba palelwe le ke gone go ipela le go ipelafatsa ka boleng ba ye go nna le seabe mo go sekasekeng Constitution ya jwa bone le dingwao tsa bone, because they were looked bone. Ke a go tlhomamisetsa fela jaaka Tautona a ne a down upon, ka gore policy le ditsamaiso tsa lona tsa go tlhomamisetsa gore tshimologo ya ngwaga o o tlang, Puso ya Domkrag ke tse di neng di nyatsa batho. thulaganyo e e tlaabo e dirwa mokaulengwe.

Ke sone se ke reng ke lebogela Mme Mma Kereng gore MR HIKUAMA: Ke a leoboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo a bo a leka gore re fete ka stage se sa lenyatso, re tsene tsa Palamente. Fa e le gore Puso ya Domkrag le Tautona mo go reng go aga tšhaba e e bopaganeng ya lefatshe le wa bone Rre Masisi, ba tshwenyegile, ga ba a la Botswana, go tlhoka gore re amogelane pele re le tshwanela go tla ka melaonyana ya bo floor crossing e le batho ba merafe e e farologaneng gore ga go na morafe priority. We should review the whole Constitution. Mma o o botoka go gaisa e mengwe. E bile ga go supafale re fete ka eo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Puso ya ga Rre Masisi jaaka baeteledipele ba bangwe ba ba tlileng, e na le phisego ya go tokafatsa seemo go Mma ke bue ka seemo se re leng mo go sone sa bolwetse dira gore merafe ya lefatshe la Botswana e ipone e le ya COVID-19 and the State of Emergency. Motsamaisa e e lekalekanang. Go lebega e se priority mo go bone Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ga ke kgone go lomaganya ka gore le amendment ya Constitution gompieno, go sentle gore State of Emergency le COVID-19 di lebega ba tshwenyegile ka Rre Moswaane go tswa kwa tsamaelana jang ka gore le fa re leka go utlwa ditlhaloso Domkrag go tsena ka kwano. Jaanong ba itlhaganelela tse di tswang mo baitseanapeng, ga go na gope fa di go dira melao kana ba dire Tshutiso mo Constitution gore gokaganang teng; there is no correlation. Domkrag e e kganele batho go tla ka kwano. Ke lone letshwenyego dirile State of Emergency jaaka e kete ke molemo kana la bone le le tona. Letshwenyego le le tona Tona Kabo kalafi ya COVID-19, mme go sa lebege go ntse jalo. Se Morwaeng, e tshwanetse go nna to review Constitution ke bonang se tshwanetse go dirwa ke gore re tswelele ka ya lefatshe Botswana and make it tribally neutral and protocols tse dingwe le go dirisa dilo tse di siameng go democratically acceptable, e seng go dira gore o sale lwantsha bolwetse jwa COVID-19. State of Emergency Honourable Moswaane morago le go leka to intimidate should be lifted ka gore ga se sa tlhole se na le mosola. ba ba sa kgotsofaleleng Domkrag. Moo ga se priority. Lantlha re ne re tseetse gore se dirisiwa gore lefatshe le We should set a deadline gore Constitutional review e ipaakanyetse go lwantsha bolwetse jo le go dira things ya go dirwa leng. which were not ready in place so that they can be made to be ready, so that the country can be able to fight this Jaaka Leader of the Opposition (LOO) a ne a bua disease. Go lebega ba tsaya gore or they now equate maabane, priority e tona ke gore gompieno fa o setse o that the State of Emergency ke pilisi kana molemo wa sekaseka re emetse ngwaga o o tlang, one has to set the COVID-19. terms of reference tsa gore Constitutional review e ya go dirwa leng ka gore ke letlhoko le le tona la Batswana. Mafatshe a tlhoafetse ba batla go dira metlhale ya go Fa re ipapatsa (campaign) re le diphathi tsa sepolotiki, lwantsha COVID-19 jaaka go dira melemo le go batla Domkrag le Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) dilo tse, mme Botswana o utlwa gore nnyaa, re ka nna di le mo teng, molaetsa mogolo wa ditlhopho tsa 2019 fela ra robala ra tsenya batho mo quarantines, fa re tswa e ne le go fetola (change) Molaomotheo wa lefatshe la foo, re tlaabo re bone molemo. Nnyaa, a re tsweng mo Botswana. Re tshwanetse ra o fetola… seemong sa go akanya jalo, re simolole go akanya dilo tse re ka ipaakanyetsang go lwantsha bolwetse botoka MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL ka tsone. AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): On a Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, State of point of elucidation Mr Speaker. Let me assure you Emergency se a re kokonela, bogolo jang mo kgaolong

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ya rona ya Ngami kana North West ka gore e gweba ntsha batho ba ba kgonang gore re dirise metsi a rona, ka bojanala. Batho ba bantsi ba setse ba latlhegetswe re ntshe engineers tse di tlaa kgonang go tlhatswa metsi ke ditiro, ga ba sa tlhole ba kgona go itirela matshelo a di na le boitseanape jwa gore re kgone go dirisa metsi because of it. Ke sone se re bonang gore golo mo go a. This is the type of education that we need, e seng ya fetogile go nna gogo gona le go thusa Batswana le gompieno. batho ba rona ka sepe. Re tshwanetse ra tlhoafala ra bona gore re dira eng ka batho ba ba latlhegetsweng ke Re tshwanetse re siane ka lebelo le le kwa godimo go ditiro ka COVID-19 ka gore dikompone le madirelo a netefatsa gore Education and Training Sector Strategic bone a setse a ole; firms have collapsed. Dikgwebo di Plan (ETSSP) jaaka e buiwa, e a diragadiwa, e seng go phutlhame. buiwa fela e nna mo dipampiring, Rre Molao.

Kgang ya gore le ntshitse regulations tse di itsang gore Rre Molao, o buile gore this Education and Training batho ba se ka ba kobiwa mo tirong, ga di bereke. Fa Sector Strategic Plan (ETSSP), is a programme that kompone e sa dire madi, le fa o ka tlhola o re e se ka ya you want to transform our education system, le nna ke a koba motho, technically motho yoo o kobilwe ka gore ga dumela, but ga go supafale go na le commitment on the a mo tirong ka gore ga go na motho yo o elang mo tirong part of Government gore a mme golo mo go tlaa diragala. gore a kwadise leina gotwe ke mmereki wa kompone Since it was launched ka 2015, gotwe 2020 e tlaabo e le X mme a sa amogele. Ga gona le fa e le mosola. Se bokhutlo jwa yone, even half of what has been proposed se botlhokwa ke gore re bule dilo tse gore economy e in the ETSSP ga go na sepe se se dirilweng. Fa e le gore tswelele, batho ba ipatlele ditiro. Ba bangwe ba bone go a dirwa, ke gone batho ba reng nnyaa, mme re ka gore ba ka dira eng ka matshelo a bone. dira. Ga re batle go nna mo tshimologong dingwaga di sa bolo go feta, re batla go bona seemo se e leng gore Ntlha e ngwe e ke batlang go akgela ka yone Motsamaisa all the programmes proposed under ETSSP are being Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke ya thuto. Re a tlhaloganya implemented, because I do not think they were there to rotlhe gore thuto batho betsho ke yone konokono fa re to be a poetry, they were there to create a change in tla mo tlhabololong ya matshelo a batho. Jaaka re tle our education system. Go raya gore di tshwanetse gore re bue kwa UDC, ra re re batla lefatshe le le ntshang di diragadiwe Tona. E seng go tlhola re bua ka tsone thuto; a free quality and compulsory education. Not free year in, year out re bua gore ETSSP e ya go dirwa. Fa from knowledge. Thuto that can equip our people or can re ntsha sekai, Maun Secondary has been given this, guarantee our people with the ability to fight ignorance Moeng College is going to do, when are we going to see and create jobs. Ke sone se re se batlang, se e leng gore the actual thing taking place in those schools? That is it can fight against ignorance and poverty. Thuto e re what we need, not talking about them for than 10 years nang le yone ya gompieno, ga e re thuse ka sepe mo now. Dilo tse di supa gore ga le a tlhwaafala Rre Molao, go kalokalo. Thuto e e leng gore fa motho a se na go le tshwanetse le tlhwaafale le netefatsa gore dilo tse le fetsa, le kitso ya go dira se a neng a se dira, ga a kgone di buang tse di a diragala. go se diragatsa. Fa re tsaya Junior Certificate (JC) for example, batho ba a fetsa, ba rutiwa agriculture le se ba Fa re bua ka early childhood education, I think go a se rutwang, mme ga ba kgone go itirela ditiro ka tsone. supagala mo Pusong ya rona gore, dikago le facilities Ke sone se re dumelang gore fa re dira thuto e e nang are a problem. Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) le boleng e bile e le mahala, fa batho ba tswa mo, ba ka e setse e tlhalosa gore, go aga dikago go tla tsaya nako kgona go itirela ditiro. e telele, and as a way of rolling out this programme, we can start by sponsoring education in private institutions, Gompieno go thona. You will find that fa motho a se na gore bana ba rona ba bannye ba simolole go tsena sekolo. go fetsa e le ngaka, engineer, ga re kgone go dira dilo If we can sponsor their education in private institutions, tseo. Our engineer ga a ka a kgona go dira machines, and encourage retired teachers and everybody who sepannere le dilo tse dingwe. Go raya gore thuto e ga wants to engage in this education gore ba simolole tiro se thuto which creates ditiro. Re batla thuto e e leng e, go ka simololwa, e bile bana ba rona ka bontsi ba ka gore fa motho a se na go e fetsa, o kgona go dira tsena dikolo. Gompieno re latlhegelwa ke bana ba bantsi microphone o re buang ka one; se re se tlhokang re le ba ba sa kgoneng to access early childhood education, lefatshe. Gompieno re na le metsi a mantsi mo mmung because there are no facilities. Government does not a a letswai mo lefatsheng la Botswana, and we are have the capacity ya go direla bana ba botlhe, mme fa struggling. Thuto ya rona ga e kgone go betla batho, go re ka dira gore we sponsor their education in private

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institutions and private individuals ba ba nang le dikago, mafelo otlhe gore, ditlamelo tse fa re ntse re di dirisa rona re sponsor, bana ba ba ka tsena. United Nations kana re di atumetsa kwa bathong, di bo di ka nowa Development Programme (UNDP) report e supa gore, moro. E se ka ya nna gore ga go na gore di ka dirisiwa ke only 43 per cent of our children ba ba four to five, ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Mma ke go akgole Tona Molao, ba ba kgonang go tsenelela thuto ya pre-school or pre- ke kile ka go bolelela sengwe fa gare fa, go na le sekolo education. Go supa gore bontsi jwa dipalo, ga bo akole se sengwe kwa Makakung. Go ne go na le motlakase mo mananeo a go tsena thuto e. Fa e le gore ga re na go motseng, mme gape le bo le romela kompone e nngwe fetola ka fa re akanyang ka teng, re akanya fela gore we gore e ye go dira motlakase wa marang a letsatsi. Ga ke are only going to implement, fa re ka nna le classrooms itse gore ka dinako dingwe how do you operate, a ke mo dikolong tsa Puso, ke gone re ka simololang lenaneo badirelapuso kana ke lona? Ke gore le mafatshe a a nang le la tswelela, go raya gore re tla felela fela bana ba rona le motlakase ga le a itse, mafatshe a senang motlakase ba sa akole thuto e ba tshwanetseg go e akola. ga le a itse. Ga o ka ke wa ya go tlhatlaganya motlakase wa Botswana Power Corporation (BPC) le wa marang Kgang e nngwe fa re bua ka thuto, ke ya student-teacher a letsatsi mo lefelong le le one, ke gore ga ke itse gore ratio. Ga e sa tlhole e le selo sa ngangisano, le lona le le le akanya jang. ba Puso, le setse le dumela ka gore la re COVID e setse e le rutile gore dipalo tse di kalokalo ga di ka ke tsa HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… kgona go tsena mo class e one. Re kgaogantse classes, MR HIKUAMA: Le tshwanetse gore dilo tse le di mathata ke gore barutabana ba santse ba hirilwe e le beye leitlho, kana legale gongwe e a bo e le dikompone temporary teachers. Let us make sure that we are going tse le setseng le na le diabe mo go tsone, le batla go to hire these teachers on permanent basis, so that go gopela itsholelo ya lefatshe le ka tsone. Ke dilo tse le nna le assurance, le bone ba a itse gore le fa ba tsoga ba tshwanetseng gore le di ele tlhoko, ka gore ke nngwe ya ya tirong, ke tiro ya bone ya sennelaruri, ba dira tiro ya tshenyetso-setšhaba eo. O ka se ke o re batho ba ye go bone ba sosologile. dira a solar power plant kwa Makakung, mme go na le A re tswelele gape ka go netefatsa gore barutabana, motlakase mo motseng, ke go senya. Tona wa Madi, o bogolo jang ba ba tlhaelang kwa dikgaolong, re ba neela tshwanetse go ela dilo tse tlhoko le Matona when they mo gotweng accommodation allowance. Bontsi jwa abuse these kind of things, o tsenye leitlho. mathata a dikolo, ke letlhoko la boroko, ka gore dikago HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Murmurs)… tse di leng teng ga di kgone go tsaya barutabana botlhe. Re ka fema mathata a, ka go neela barutabana housing MR HIKUAMA: Rra? Ee rra…(Laughter!)…Se allowance. Fa re ba neela housing allowance, ba kgona sengwe se ke batlang go se akgola mo thutong ya lona go ipatlela matlo a bone, a ba kgonang go a duela. Puso ke gore, there is this new council ya Botswana Teaching e sa tshwenyege gore e age matlo ka lebelo le le ka se Professionals Council. Mma re amogele gore though it keng la le kgona. Le tshwanetse la ela dilo tse tlhoko. is long overdue, gongwe e tlaa simolola go dira, e bile you will not do se le se tlwaetseng, which is to politicise Se sengwe se re tshwanetseng ra se bua, ke se re sa institutions tse di siameng, tse di tshwanetseng go direla bolong go se bua re le UDC gore, maranyane; providing Batswana, jaaka le setse le dirile ka tse dingwe tse re learners with tablets, le lona le a dumela Tona Rakgare. setseng re di itse, gore e nna spring boats for Botswana Le setse le opela pina e re e opelang gore, we are going Democratic Party (BDP) politicians. to provide every learner with a tablet. Nako e tlile ya gore re tswe mo go bueng, re diragatse. Ke dumela gore Fa re santse re le mo thutong, kgang e nngwe ke ya re setse re dumalana jaanong, ga e sa tlhole e le ditoro mother tongue. E sale e buiwa, se re se utlwang ke tse di ka se keng tsa atlega. Le a bona le lona gore ke gore le setse le dira consultation. Ga ke itse gore ke toro e e ka dirwang, jaanong ke gore re diragatse, re consultation ya eng, fa e le gore go dumalanwe, batho netefatse gore bana ba dikolo are provided with tablets. ga ba a bolo go batla gore bana ba rutiwe ka diteme You cannot provide tablets, mme e le gore dikolo ka tsa mo gae, what are you still consulting on? Re batla bontsi do not have access to internet. Re tshwanetse o re bolelele gore o bone barutabana kae? When are go dira gore internet e nna teng mo dikolong tsa rona you recruiting? Syllabus e baakantswe jang? Are you tsotlhe, and the first thing ke connectivity ya motlakase. still consulting on this? You are consulting batsadi kwa Motlakase o tshwanetse o goroge kwa dikolong le Bodibe gore ba dire eng to recruit barutabana? Recruit

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teachers, develop syllabus, tswa mo consultation fa go go aba phoko e le nngwe ka madi a a kanakana? Let us sa tlhokafaleng teng. incorporate this initiative, go ne go na le initiative ya Presidential Housing Appeal, mme e ne e ntshitswe e le HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… gore everybody kwa a leng teng, o filwe tshono ya gore MR HIKUAMA: O bua ka seSwahili se se seyong fa. o ka tsisa se a nang le sone a thusa go agela batho matlo. Dikolo tse dingwe tsa rona ka bontsi, ga di na metlobo The same thing can be done, President re mo utlwile ya dibuka, mme lona ka gore le Puso e e… I do not know o batla gore batho ba fiwe diphoko, let people now how to describe you. volunteer go ka neela batho ba ba tlhokang diphoko, not the President moving around a fofa ka diphoko gotwe HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le tletse lefufa. ke gone jaaka a lwantsha lehuma...

MR HIKUAMA: Le tletse lefufa, you are being petty. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!).... Gompieno President Boko of the UDC o tsamaya a aba dibuka, because of your pettiness, le kganela lenaneo MR HIKUAMA: Mo re go bona e le campaigning le, mme gape le rotloetsa dikole go kopa donations, tactics by the BDP leader. Se sengwe se re tshwanetseng sponsors mo bathong, at the same fa batho ba ithaopa re se bue ke tlhabololo magae, rural developments, Rre ba dira mo gotweng, Adopt- a- School, kana it is along Molale... the same line, lona le a emisa because of pettiness. A HONOURABLE MEMBER: Bua ke go reeditse. ko le se ka la busa lefatshe ka bo petty, lefufa le tlaa re kgoreletsa… MR HIKUAMA: Go tlhabolola magae; dilo tse di tlhokiwang di tharo; re tlhoka gore re isetse batho ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. dikgaolo metsi, motlakase le go ba neela lefatshe. MR HIKUAMA: Ke mang wa clarification? Those are the three basics go ka tlhabolola batho kwa magaeng. O ka se ke o tlhabolole batho ka go ba neela MR KEORAPETSE: Point of clarification. Ke ne phoko ba sena lefatshe le metsi kwa ba nosang teng. O ke re a wena ga o lemoge gore fa o bapisitse phoko ka se ke o tlhabolole batho... le dibuka Honourable Hikuama, fa o bapisa phoko- HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... dibuka, phoko-dibuka, ga o bone gore gone moo go ka tsosa lefufa le le tona thata? MR HIKUAMA: Ke batla metsi le lefatshe, batho ba Botswana ba ntse ba itse go rua dipodi, ga ba rotloediwe HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... go rua dipodi gompieno, dipodi e ntse e le selo se ba se MR HIKUAMA: Nnyaa mme go ka nna jalo. itseng. Ga se o o ka rotloetsang batho go dira selo se ba ntseng ba se dira. They need water, ke gone jaaka o ka Mma re fetele kwa ntlheng e nngwe ya botsogo, batho ba thusa go gaisa sengwe le sengwe. betsho, re a itse gore mo lefatsheng la Botswana, dikokelo ka bontsi bogolo jang kwa kgaolong e ke Gompieno fa re bua ka agriculture kwa dikgaolong, ke tswang kwa go yone, fa o lebelela dikgaolo tsa bo Etsha, yone e e ka tlhabololang, bogolo jang beef industry, mme go tsena tsa bo Gumare go na le letlhoko le le tona la fa ke reetsa, ke sekaseka puo e, go lebega le fetogetse bodiredi. Ga gona baoki le bo midwife ba ba lekaneng. mogopolo wa meat regulator. Ga ke o bone o umakiwa Dilo tse di tlhoka gore di tokafadiwe le oketse bodiredi. gope jaaka e le tlwaelo ya lona, go lebega jaanong le Didirisiwa le tsone di a tlhaela, di dira gore batho ba buile ka yone le dule mo go yone le batla go tsietsa ka di dikgaolo tse go nne thata mo go bone to access health. sele. We need this, re tlhoka golo mo, re tlhoka structure se. O kae Tona Gare? Re tlhoka structure se se nne teng Re bua ka nyeletso lehuma, re bo re re nyeletso lehuma gore Batswana ba akole maduo a go rua ga bone ba le phoko di a tsamaelana, ga ke bone di tsamaelana. Go kgone gore fa kgomo e ruilwe, e rekisiwa, ba akola eng na le mananeo a a tlhoafetseng a Puso; bo Livestock mo go yone. Management and Infrastructure Development (LIMID), mananeo a a tshwanetse gore a thatafadiwe. Fa e le Se sengwe se re ka se buelelang ke Community gore phoko is a President’s initiative, why can it not Based Natural Resources Management (CBNRM), be incorporated into these programmes la tlhoka go ba temothuo, go ka thusa, mme go lebega go santse senya madi re ntse re re batla go nyeletsa lehuma, ka go na le tlhaelo ya kitso, bodiredi le boitseanape mo

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go tsamaiseng trusts le go lomaganya community le sena go gakololwa gore baakanya ntlo fa le fa, bone ba boeteledipele jwa the trusts le Lephata la Wildlife, go tsamaya fela ba neela motho key ba bo ba tsamaya ba sa tlhokega thuto gone fa. Re rute our communities gore baakanye sepe. Ga ke itse gore o kgakala go le kae le ba tle ba kgone go akola meamuso e e mo go bone. Dilo SHHA le batho ba ba agang go netefatsa gore batho ba tse re tshwanetse ra di emela ka dinao Tona Kereng akola quality mo dilong tse ba di fiwang. E seng go fiwa to educate people here, otherwise we will have these dilo tse ba simololang go di duelela di na le the defects community trusts and natural resources but ga ba ka ke tse di seng kana ka sepe. I think you have to put your eye ba akola sepe mo go tsone. The trusts le the community on these companies tse le di dirisang unless fa e le gore o resources have the potential to create sustainable ja sengwe mo go tsone. Ga ke dumele gore o le ngwana development in the areas tse ba leng kwa go tsone, but wa Bogosi o ntse jaana, o ka tswela pelo dilonyana tse because we are not harnessing them well and lack of di nnyennyane tse di kananyana, you should be very, knowledge and the skill, we need to tutor our people so very professional and guide these companies to provide that ba kgone go akola dilo tse. quality houses to our people. Otherwise SHHA ke mokang e tlaa humanegisang batho fela. Fa ke boela kwa morago mo botsogong, Tona wa Health; sa le le solofetsa batho ba Gumare sepatela bogologolo Roads; ga ke na go bua ka ditsela gompieno ka gore ka 2009, even up to now, ke utlwa go ntse gotwe it is at ke setse ke dirile tumalano le Tona Segokgo gore ga ke the design stage. Ke gore from 2009 up to now it is still na go bua ka ditsela ka gore o kgonne go tsamaya mo at the design stage! Golo mo tota go supa gore there is ditseleng tsa kgaolo ya rona o di bone. Se ke se emetseng no commitment on your part as a Government go ka ke action mo go wena le go bua le Tona wa Madi gore o o ya go di dira leng. Ga ke na go bua sepe se se tona, thusa batho ba dikgaolo tsa rona. ke emetse action fela. Ke tlaa emisa go bua ka ditsela go Human/wildlife conflicts; re na le bothata jwa ditlou fitlhelelanext year fela. Fa di sa dirwa next year, ke tlaa mo dikgaolong tsa rona, mo di setseng di tsena mo simolola go bua ka tsone. malwapeng a batho le mo masimong a bone, ga gona Ke bua ka metsi mo dikgaolong tsa rona bogolo jang gore batho ba ka itirela eng. Something has to be done tsa Somelo, Kaure le Xorotshaa, ga go na metse e e go sireletsa batho ba ga rona mo diphologolong tse di ka nnang ka go sielwa ka bowser mme e ntse e nosa kanakana tse. leruo. Metse e kana ke settlements. They need didiba Rre Mzwinila, land allocation; ga ke na go bua ka tse di berekang, tse di effective. Otherwise go nosa ka mathata a a leng teng mo kgaolong yotlhe, ke batla go bowser go ba tlisetsa mathata a a seng kana ka sepe. E tsaya sekai gore o sale o emisa (suspend) go abiwa ga bile mma ke tseye nako e fa ke bua ka metsi, ke buelele ditsha since 2009, mo dikgaolong tsa rona. Even up le batho ba Boteti ba ba nwang metsi a a sebodu, ba to now, batho ga ba na ditsha, mme se se utlwisang ba senang moemedi mo Palamenteng. Ba tshwanetse ba botlhoko, mma ke nopole, ke motse wa Legotlhwane. akanyetswe ka gore ga ba ka ke ba kgona go nwa metsi Re ne re itse gore o ne o ise o abelwe ditsha, batho a a sebodu, a a letswai mme Mopalamente wa bone a sa ba innela fela, gompieno se ke se utlwang ke gore bue sepe ka seemo se se maswe sa Boteti. your officers want to evict batho kwa Legotlhwane, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. a settlement e e neng e le gore batho ba ne ba ntse ba innela fela go sa abiwe. Jaanong ga ke itse gore how do MR HIKUAMA: Wena gakere ga o yo mo Palamenteng. you reconcile the two, le ntse le sa abe ditsha. You have Gape se sengwe se re tshwanetseng re se supe ke se, I recognised the village, wa re batho ba ya go nna kae fa think it was a mistake Mr Speaker go dira lefatshe lotlhe ba tsenya bana ba bone dikole, ba nne ba tswa kae fa e le gore le fiwe metsi ke Water Utilities. When you look at gore fa ba ntseng teng gompieno wa re ke maipaafela? the level of poverty ya communities tsa rona, ga di ka ke I think it is something that needs to be reconciled o bue tsa kgona go duela metsi. I think metse e tshwanetse e le ba ba lebanyeng so that ga ba tseye dikgang tse di ka sekasekwe gore batho ba ba nang le dikgaolo, di ntshiwe utlwisang batho botlhoko. under Water Utilities. Di fiwe metsi free kana go nne le a waiver ya gore they would be provided free water. Rre wa Self Help Housing Agency (SHHA), Honourable Otherwise, ga go thuse ka sepe. Kgafela; go lebega matlo a mantsi a SHHA a dirwa, ke gore ga ke itse gore dikompone tse di hirwang ke Pele fa ke boela kwa morago Mr Speaker, go na le kgang Puso ya Domkrag a ke tsa Matona kana jang. Le fa di e ke dumelang gore Tona wa Itshireletso o tshwanetse

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a re tlhatswe ngati ka yone. Re utlwa gotwe go na le capture Honourable Molao because of the mask. batho ba le bane ba ba bolailweng e le maNamibia kwa Kasane. I think we need an update as Parliament, a HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… statement, re tlhaloganye gore go diragala eng. MR KEORAPETSE: Nnyaa, o ka ba ipoletsa Mr MR SPEAKER: Your time is up Honourable Member! Speaker.

MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MR SPEAKER: They should tell me. If they are MOLAO): O feditse nako ka go bua tshele fela. Ke serious, they should tell me. a leboga Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, mma ke lebogele MR MOLAO: Nnyaa, mme a ba ntshe sign fa e le gore sebaka se. Ke bo ke rurifatsa gore ke ema nokeng go boammaaruri. Ba bue gore there is no recording. molaetsa wa Botsogo jwa Setshaba jaaka Tautona a re o Ke ne ke santse ke supa gore mafatshe a le mantsi, a beile pele. Ke molaetsa o o tlhomameng, o o akaretsang go neng gotwe re le Botswana, ntshang SOE, batho ba dintlha di le dintsi tse di amang lefatshe la Botswana le itirele matshelo a bone jaaka ba batla, they are going matshelo a Batswana. E bile re rurifatsa gore ga go ka back into hard lockdowns ka gore mogare jaanong o ke ga tsenngwa ntlha nngwe le nngwe e re e eletsang setse o tsere phekelo e sele gone koo. Rona re le lefatshe mo bukaneng e e bewang setšhaba pele ka gore, e ka la Botswana, e re ntswa re itse gore matshelo a batho, nna tona go feta ka fa e ntseng ka teng gompieno. Se ditiro tsa bone di a kokonelwa, re tsere tshwetso… re se rurifatsang ke gore, Tautona o amile dintlha tse di amang Batswana mo nakong ya gompieno. O supa gore HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR kwa re tswang teng mo dikgweding di le 12 go fitlhelela TSOGWANE): On a point of procedure Mr Speaker. fa re leng teng gompieno, re tsamaya fa kae. Thank you Mr Speaker. Mma ke go dumedise, ke bo ke dumedise le Mapalamente. Ke batla go gakolola Re mo nakong ya mogare wa COVID o o sa amang ka procedure Mr Speaker as a Member of Parliament lefatshe la Botswana fela, o amile mafatshe ka bophara. for Boteti for those who do not know jaaka Hikuama. Re le lefatshe la Botswana, re tshwanetse ra amogela Ke gakolole gore go ntsha mask mo go diragalang kwa gore fa re tshwantshanngwa le mafatshe a mangwe, Palamenteng, go kgatlhanong le molao wa go itshireletsa le go sireletsa ba bangwe kgatlhanong le mogare wa re lengwe la mafatshe a a dirileng bontle fela thata go COVID-19. Fa motho a sa batle go itshireletsa Mr lwantsha bolwetse jo. Dipalo di a supa, ga se tse di Speaker, o tshwanetse gore at least o sireletse ba ba bonegwang ka torch. Fa o tshwantshanya le mafatshe a batlang go tshela ka go kopa gore ba rwale masks. I mantsintsi gore dikgato tse re neng ra di tsaya tsa State thank you. of Emergency (SoE), tsa go ruta Batswana gore ba ka itshireletsa jang, di re beile fa re leng teng gompieno MR SPEAKER: I am sure Honourable Members are gore dipalo di bo di laolesega. Re lebogele ba ba aware of that. The doctors have advised. Thank you eteletseng pele go lwantsha segajaja se, e le frontline Vice President. workers. Go tlaleletsa mo go bone, ga nke ke lebala go bua ka barutabana ka gore le bone they are frontline MR MOLAO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Batswana ba workers mo tirong e ba e dirang ya go ruta bana fa gare re itseng gore ba kokonetswe ke tsa itsholelo, fa gongwe ga mogare o. Ke tiro e e ntle thata e ba e dirang. ba ntshiwa mo tseleng ya go itshireletsa go nna go buiwa ka SoE gore se a re, se a re. Gompieno fa o tsaya Batho ba na le go bua ba itebatsa gore mafatshe a a neng a mafatshe a Europe, France, Ennyelane, Germany, Italy, itlhaganelela gore a bulele fela, a tlogela batho ba tshela Poland le Belgium, otlhe a tsena into hard lockdowns ka jaaka ba kgona, ba itirela matshelo a bone, a a nang le gore, ba ne ba itlhaganelela go bula gore batho ba tshele ditsompelo, a a humileng go feta lefatshe la Botswana, jaaka ba ka kgona. Ke mafatshe… mo nakong e re e buang gompieno, they are going back into hard lockdowns ka gore mogare jaanong o dule mo MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molao, there is obviously taolong. Se e leng gore re le Botswana, ga re… a conflict between the COVID and the requirement of the mask. MR KEORAPETSE: Procedure Mr Speaker. Sorry, mma ke se ka ka go kgoreletsa Honourable Molao, but MR MOLAO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ga ke na ke utlwa ba Recording ba re ga ba kgone to capture him bothata jwa go rwala mask jaaka go tshwanela, ke because of the mask. Ba Recording ba re ga ba kgone to tlaa o rwala. Ke ne ke supa gore e re ntswa re itse

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gore Batswana ba kokonetswe ke thulaganyo e… Mr e ka bo e sa busediwa fa, e tsentswe gore Government Speaker, bana ba gago ba Recording ba supa gore ga ba is still committed go dira tsela e, re ka bo re nne re kgone go kapa lentswe. Ke tsaya gore ke kgakalanyana itidimaletse. Jaanong ka gore re Goromente yo o nang le le ba ke bapileng le bone, gongwe o ntetle for purposes boammaaruri, re tsentse fa go supa gore gompieno go na of recording ke o role. le ditiro tse dingwe tse di yang go dirwa go tsweledisa tsela e ka gore we still retain the commitment ya go Jaaka ke sa tswa go bua, ke batla go supa gore dira tsela e ka gore e tona, re dumela gore e ya go thusa Batswana ba tshwanetse ba itse gore re lefatshe le le Batswana. senang ditsompelo tse di kalokalo tsa botsogo. Fa re ka tshogana mogare o dule mo taolong jaaka o ntse o gola E se yone fela, tsela ya Mandunyane-Mathangwane, le jaana, re ka tloga ra nna le bothata jo bo fetang ka fa re yone e setse e le gaufi gore tender ya yone e bo e ka leng teng mo nakong ya gompieno. SOE ga se kganele ntshiwa gore e ye go dirwa. Ke ditsela tse re itseng gore gore itsholelo e nne e bulwa ka bonya ka bonya, go di tlaabo di bulela itsholelo mo lefatsheng la Botswana lebilwe seelo sa gore mogare o tsamaya jang. Ke sone go ya gone kwa marogong a bo Kazungula le a mangwe. mo bekeng e e neng e feta e, go ne go letlelesega gore jaanong difofane di ka simolola go fofela mo Botswana, Rre Mzwinila o ntse a tlhalosa ka fa e leng gore re taboga e bile go na le thulaganyo ya gore le melelwane e bulwe. ka mafaratlhatlha a metsi ka teng. Ke batla ke leboge Puso e e nang le kelelelo ya matshelo a batho, e dira jalo gore kwa kgaolong ya me kwa Borolong le Chadibe a e lebile gore ga se kgang ya go batla go ithatisa batho, setse jaanong a wela, e bile go setse go simolodisitswe ke kgang ya go babalela matshelo a batho. Ke sone se e tiro e nngwe e e tsenyang metse ya bo Marapong le leng gore re a se dira re le Puso e. bo Sebina, ya North East ya 52 villages. Ke dilo tse re itlamileng go di dira, mme re a itse gore dikago tse, ga Mr Speaker, re a itse gore itsholelo e kokonetswe, ke se mainane fela a gotweng, a kago e ikage gone foo, e sone se re tlileng ka lenaneo fa re lebelela bogare jwa bo e setse e ikagile. Go tsaya lebaka to plan for dilo tse, National Development Plan (NDP) bogare jwa yone; go dira tenders tse, le go simolola go dira. Ga go reye la economic recovery plan. Ka lone go a tlhalosega gore fa re ne re buile mo SONA ya gompieno, ngwaga o fa gore P14 billion go lebilwe gore o tlaa dirisiwa mo o latelang fa tiro e ise e wele, re itebise go sele re re kana dingwageng tse tharo tse di setseng tsa NDP 11, go go tlaa twe re boeletsa se re se buileng mo ngwageng o o leka go tsosolosa itsholelo. Go lebilwe le gone go dira fetileng. Ga go a nna jalo, SONA is a report card ya gore dikago tsa ditsela le tsa metsi ka bophara jwa lefatshe kwa o simolotseng teng, le fa o leng teng gompieno, o la Botswana. Go buiwa ka tsela ya Nata-Mohembo e e tsamaya fa kae. leng gore people quote selectively, e go neng go buiwa gore re buile mo State of the Nation Address (SONA) Re a bua gone fa mo go yone economic inclusion gore se se fetileng gore ke maikaelelo a gore tsela e e dirwe. fa re dira yone ya economic inclusion e re lekang gore Ga ba ga buiwa gore go ya go kopiwa madi a kadimo dithata tsa itsholelo e le molao o o tlaabong o tla mo kwa mmusong wa China, mme feasibility study ya tsela Palamenteng e, o o tshwanetseng gore Batswana ba bue ya Nata go ya go tsena kwa Mohembo e setse e dirilwe. ka ga one, ba rere gore ba batla go o bona o ntse jang. Se se neng sa diya e ne ya nna gore, the terms of the Ke sone se go simologileng the process ya go rera ka loan tse ba China ba neng ba batla gore di nne teng, ga molao o gore go neela Batswana dithata tsa itsholelo, re a ka ra dumalana le tsone re le lefatshe la Botswana, go tshwanetse go ka bo go dirilwe jang. Ga re ka ke ra e le boikarabelo jwa gore fa e le gore the terms of the tla fela mo Palamenteng re sena maikutlo a Batswana loan are not favourable for Botswana, ga re ka ke ra kwa ntle kwa gore molao o tle o ntse jang. Re setse re amogela fela ka gore re adimiwa madi. Ke sone se se tlhalosa gore go ntse go na le a reservation ya 30 per diileng gore tsela e bo e ise e dirwe, re bo re dumela gore cent for citizens fa go dirwa projects. Re setse re bua fa jaanong re tlaa ipatlela other sources of funding gore re gore re eletsa go tlhatloga go tswa mo go 30 go ya kwa ye go dira tsela e. Ke sone se mo SONA ya gompieno go 60 per cent ya reservations on megaprojects. Ke se go kwadilweng fela sentle gore, “Government is still re se kwadileng, re se bua gore re ya go se sala morago committed.” Motho o ema fa quoting, a bo a tlogela re le Puso ya gompieno. lefoko ‘still committed’ ka bomo go leka gore a bo a Tsa motlakase; e Hikuama a ntseng a bua ka yone fa, re go boelediwa paragraph e le nngwefela. Fa re ne re a itatola gore re le lefatshe, gompieno we are at 64 per batla go loba, re ka bo re ne re sa dira jalo, paragraph e cent ya metse yotlhe e e rurifaditsweng ya lefatshe la

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Botswana e e gokeletsweng motlakase. Re na le metse dihutshane tse di tswang kwa e bo e le tsa boleng. E e e tlhalositsweng gone fa, e e leng gore fa e ya go re fa di ya go rekisiwa, a bo morui a bona dipoelo. Ke wela ngwaga o fela, re tlaabo re tlhatlogile from 64 to selo se se diragalang. Go agiwa kwa Lobu, Setata le 90 per cent ya metse e e rurifaditsweng mo lefatsheng kwa mafelong a a farologanyeng. Tautona se a se dirang la Botswana e na le motlakase. Ke selo se e leng gore gompieno ka lenaneo la go rotloetsa Batswana ba ba ga se mafatshe a mantsi a itsholelo e e lekanang le ya setseng ba iteka gore ba tlhabolole boleng jwa leruo la lefatshe la Botswana a a tsamayang fa re tsamayang bone, ke selo se re tshwanetseng gore re se atle, e bile teng gompieno. Ke selo se re tshwanetseng gore re bo re tlaleletse fa godimo ga sone gona le go tlaopa. Kana re tlhaloganya gore Goromente yo o dira eng, e bile go tlaopa mo go dirwang mo, ke mokang re tlaopang le maikaelelo ke go ya kae. Ke dilo tse bakaulengwe ba bone ba ba amogelang dimpho tse gore di tle di ba thuse sa ka keng ba di bua, mme ba ntse ba di lebile, di le go tokafatsa seemo sa leruo la bone. teng, di diragala le kwa mafelong a ba tswang kwa go one. E bile motlakase o bontsi jwa one o tsenngwa ke Lenaneo la Livestock Management and Infrastructure dikonteraka tsa Batswana, e seng tsa Matona Hikuama, Development (LIMID) ga le a emisiwa gope, ke e seng tsa maDomkraga, dikonteraka tsa Batswana. dipuo fela tse di senang boammaaruri. Mo budget Konteraka e e neng e tshwanetse go tsenya marang a ya Agriculture go a buega fela gore LIMID e ntse e letsatsi kwa Makakung, e re neng ra bua gore nnyaa, ka tsweletse. Jaanong motho go ema fa a bo a re, ‘lenaneo gore motlakase o setse o le teng, fudugang le ise kwa la LIMID le emisitswe, jaanong go abiwa la diphoko’, dikoleng tse dingwe, tsa kgaolo ya gago tse di senang ke go tlhoka boikarabelo ga rona re le baeteledipele gore motlakase; se o a se buang, se o se itseng, se diragetse, re bo re ema fa re latlha setšhaba mme re ntse re itse e bile se a diragala, go dira kompone ya Batswana e e gore dilo di tsweletse di a dirwa. senang any relationship le Tona ope wa Motswana mo teng kana ope yo o nang le konteraka gope mo go yone. Re buile ka Lenaneo la Thuto jaaka ke ne ke bua gore Selo se is a huge milestone e re tshwanetseng gore re le Education and Training Sector Strategic Plan (ETSSP) Puso, re le Batswana re e lemoge. Batho ba ba nang le e ntse e tsweletse, go boammaaruri go tsere lebaka, boammaaruri, dilo fa di diragetse, ga ba di lobe, ba di mme ga re a ema golo go le gongwefela. Mo nakong bua jaaka di ntse. ya gompieno, jaaka ke bua, ga se mainane fela a Transport gotweng a go itire, go bo go itira, go tshwanetse gore go baakanngwe subjects tse di yang go rutwa. Re buile gone fa jaaka ke ne ke bua gore Tautona o ne a bua gone fa gore we are still committed go dira tsela mo nakong ya gompieno 38 subjects tse di tsamaisanang ya Francistown, Nata go ya go tsena kwa bo Mohembo le lenaneo la Education and Training Sector Strategic le bo Martin’s Drift. Ke selo se re yang go se tsweledisa Plan (ETSSP) have been reviewed and developed. Ga mang a rata kgotsa a sa rate. o nne fela gone fa o bo o re dirang outcome-based education o sa kwala mekwalo le curriculum ya Land Reform baakanngwa gore e ye go dirwa. Go kwala curriculum ga se golo mo o nnang letsatsi le le lengwefela gone foo Rre Mzwinila o ne a bua jaanong gone fa, fa ke santse o bo o tlhola o kwala e kete o kwala composition, o bo o ke le Mookamedi wa Botswana National Youth Council setse o re tsayang le ye go ruta, go tsaya lebaka. Ke selo (BNYC), re ne re bua kgang yone e ya gore dipolase tsa se mo nakong ya gompieno re setseng re se dirile e bile bo six by six di ditona thata, lefatshe ga le gole, batho gone kwa Maun, o tsere lebaka o sa fete teng comrade, bone ba a gola. Let us review re fokotse sizes tsa dipolase ya go bona gore tiro e setse e simolotse kwa re yang go gore batho ba le bantsi ba kgone go bona dipolase. Ke dira dithuto tsa tourism kwa Maun Senior Secondary. lebogela gore re a tsiboga re le Goromente gore jaanong kgang e re tswang kgakala re e bua, e bo e ka diragadiwa Kwa Moeng College kwa go yang go direlwa ditirelo jaaka Tona a ntse a bolela fa. Ga e diragadiwe ka gore go tsotlhe tsa horticulture le animal husbandry teng, tiro e na le lenaneo la go tokafatsa small stock jaaka Tautona setse e simolotse e bile e tsweletse. Re ipaakanyeditse a dira a rotloetsa Batswana gore jaanong re ruwe re gore by January, 2021 mafelo ao a bo a fedile barutabana tlhabolole dihutshane tsa rona. Ke lenaneo le le ntseng ba setse ba simolotse go dira tiro. Go bua e kete ga gona le le teng, ke sone se go simolotsweng kwa polaseng sepe se se diragalang ga se boammaaruri, ke go leka go ya kwa Kgalagadi kwa Lobu kwa go dirwang teng gore latlha Batswana.

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Re setse re kgonne thulaganyo ya 30 students per go kwalwa dibuka, go bo go dumalanwa ka the correct class, ga se ya COVID-19, Revised National Policy orthography e e ka rutiwang; ke se re se dirileng. That is on Education (RNPE) e sale e buile jalo. Re buile gore where the consultation part comes through, ke yone e re le gompieno re kgonne 30 per class, mme ka tlhalosa setseng re simolotse go e dira le bangwe kwa University mo Palamenteng e e neng e feta gore re hirile teachers of Botswana (UB) ba ba ithutileng ka languages. Re temporarily gore ba ye go ruta classes tse, e bile re na le setse re le kgakala thata le ka fa re tsamayang le bone maikaelelo a go ba hira permanently, ga se selo sa tlholo ka teng gore diteme tse di setseng di kwadilwe di na le ntšha, ke se buile mo Palamenteng e e fetileng, le Tautona orthography, e bo e le gore mo nakong e e seng kgakala jaaka a ne a bua fa gore we intend to keep this ratio di bo di ka simolola go rutiwa mo dikoleng. Mme le ya 30 per class, re raya re hirile teachers permanently. gone go tshwanetse gore e re fa go ya go simololwa, go Ke sone se maloba le batho ba Finance fa ba ne ba bua nne le morero o o tsepameng le batho ba ba mo mafelong gore go emisitswe (froze) khiro e ntšha, go bo go buiwa ao wa gore jaanong mo mafelong a lona, bana ba ya go publicly gore kwa Education le Health ga go a emisiwa, rutiwa jaana. Go itsiwe gore ba ba ka tswang ba nna mo go ne go tewa gore go ye go hirwa teachers ba. So, ga mafelong ao mme ka tlhago e se Baherero, Bakalaka, se mogopolo o motho a ka emang fa a bo a re re le fa Basarwa kgotsa bakae, ditshwanelo tsa bone ke eng fa ba le mo sekoleng se jaanong thuto go tswa ka tlase, mogopolo, nnyaa, re setse re tsweletse ka one gale re le bana ba rutiwang ka teme ya bommaabone. Ke dilo tse Puso ya gompieno. Ke se ke se solofeditseng, se re yang go tshwanetseng go nna le morero o o tsepameng o o ka go tswelela re se dira. se keng wa kgaoganya setšhaba. Ke sone se re se buang, Constitutional review jaaka e ne e buiwa, go ga se dipina fela tse di opelwang batho ba itumetse mme boammaaruri, re buile mo manifesto wa rona gore re ya go sena paakanyetso e e dirilweng e e ka bopaganyang go e dira, mme e bile Tautona o a bua fa… setšhaba go na le go se kgaoganya.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MOLAO: …a rurifatsa gore e ya go dirwa. MR MOLAO: Ke sone re se buang re re Constitutional review jaaka… MR HIKUAMA: Elucidation. Ke a leboga Tona. Gakere re dumalana le gore jaanong ga e sa tlhola e HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. le toro e e se ka keng ya atlega? O itse gore ke toro e e diragalang e bile le ya go e diragatsa jaaka re ne re MR MOLAO: …e builwe, re ya go tswelela ka yone. bolelelwa? DR TSHABANG: Clarification. Thank you. Ke botse MR MOLAO: Lona ke lona ba le leng mo torong, gore morero o o simolotse leng e bile o fela leng? Ke ke rona re dirang. Jaanong, ke sone se se diragalang raya timelines because every time fa re botsa gatwe, “morero, re santse re rera ka se.” Ke raya fela gore o gompieno. Re buile mo manifesto wa rona gore clarify that part. morago ga ditlhopho go tlaa dirwa a comprehensive Constitutional review le gore re ya go diragatsa gore MR MOLAO: Fa e le gore morero o a lapisa go raya bana ba rutwe ka diteme tsa bommaabone, mme ga o gore puso ya batho ka batho e tlaa le lapisa. eme fela o bo o re nnyaa, ya go ruta ka Seherero kwa Makakung, kwa Mathangwane o ye go ruta ka Sekalaka HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… go sa dirwa dipaakanyo. Go dirwa dipaakanyo pele tse HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… di tlaa letlelelang gore e re fa motho a ya go ruta ka Sekalaka kwa Mathangwane, le fa re bua jaana, ga se MR MOLAO: Ke gakgamadiwa ke batho ba ba botlhe ba ba itseng gore mafoko a Sekalaka a kwalwa felelang morero pelo. Rona re Puso ya morero, e tlaa re jang. Go tshwanetse gore go bo go na le mekwalo e e fa o fedile re tlaa le bolelela gore o fedile jaanong re a tlhomameng ya gore mafoko a Seherero sa mmannete a simolola. Kgang yone e re buang re re… kwalwa jaana, barutabana ba tle ba rutuntshiwe gore le fa o ka tswa o le ngwana wa Moherero, ga go reye gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. o itse go kwala se se ka kwalegang sa balwa ke mongwe MR MOLAO: …Constitutional review re… le mongwe. Ke tiro e o sa tsogeng fela phakela o bo o re a re ruteng, go simololwa pele go tlhagolelwa tsela, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure.

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MR SPEAKER: There is nothing wrong with the go isa ditsompelo teng. O tshwanetse wa tlhaloganya procedure, I know that for a fact. fa e le gore o morutabana jaaka o ne o le morutabana Rre Hikuama gore dibuka fa di isiwa kwa sekoleng, HONOURABLE MEMBER: No, ga a nkarabe sentle. ga go pharangwe fela o tla o rwele sengwe le sengwe MR SPEAKER: Ehe, ga o rate karabo ya teng? o latlhela gone foo, there must be age appropriate. Research e a supa gore fa e le gore dibuka in terms of HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… the length, content and vocabulary ga e tsamaisane le dingwaga tsa bana ba o ba neelang, they lose interest in MR SPEAKER: …(Inaudible)… reading. O tshwanetse gore fa o tsamaya o aba dibuka, DR TSHABANG: Ga ke ise ke re ke lapisiwa ke a bo batho ba ba itseng sengwe ka curriculum ba lebile morero, ke rile morero o simolola leng, o fela leng fa o gore dibuka tse are appropriate for bana ba lekwalo le teng, that is what I want, that is all. la Form 1 and Form 2, ga go tsamaiwe fela go ya go latlhiwa. Ke sone se se buiwang. Ga go na ope yo o MR SPEAKER: I know that is what you said. kganetsweng gore a se ka a isa dibuka kwa sekoleng, ra re sala tsamaiso morago, dibuka di lejwe gore a mme MR MOLAO: Rona re bona one ao Mr Speaker, are they appropriate gone kwa o di isang teng. Go nne a batho ba ba felelang morero pelo. Se re se buang le a proper channel ya go di isa. ke gore morero o tlaa tswelela o nna teng ka gore re tshwanetse ra aga setšhaba se se bopaganeng, e seng se Re mo nakong ya COVID-19, re emisitse assemblies se kgaoganngwang ke ba ba felelang morero pelo. mo dikoleng mme jaanong fa ke tla ke rwele se ke se rweleng, ke bo ke kgobokanya bana mme re emisitse Re buile Rre Hikuama, early childhood; kana re re rile barutabana ba se ka ba letlelela assemblies le kwadile mo Paragraph 139, ga ke itse gore kana meetings tsa batho ba bantsi mo sekoleng, we are mokaulengwe le bala le lebisitse kwa kae. Re buile contrary to what we have said. gore go na le dikgwetlho mo early childhood, mme re simolotse ka dikole tse gompieno di tsamayang kwa go HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso. 613 from the 775 primary schools tse re nang le tsone. MR MOLAO: Denied. It is contrary to what has been Re bo re bua gore re tshwaragane le Non-Governmental said. Jaanong ra re mongwe le mongwe, le ope yo o Organisations (NGOs) ba ba tsamaisang pre-schools le gone fa, yo o eletsang, a ke go isa computer, a se ka a isa day-care centres. Mo ngwageng wa madi o re leng mo e e leng gore it is obsolete, wa go dump kwa sekoleng go one, re setse re na le ba ba ka tshwarang 30 ba re o re I have donated. A boeteledipele jwa lephata bo itse dirisanang le bone, re dira tiro ya gore ba re thuse ka gore semangmang o tla fa a tshotse computers, di bonwe pre-primary education. Jaanong, ga ke itse gore gatwe gore a mme gone ke tse di ka yang go nna le mosola. If ga re a bua eng se re sa… you go around schools, there are a lot of Information and Communications Technology (ICT) gadgets tse di HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhalosa obsolete, tse e leng gore batho were now dumping kwa Minister. dikoleng. Ga re ka ke ra letlelela dilo tse di ntseng jalo. Mme if you follow the right procedure, re na le ofisi ya MR MOLAO: …se tshwareng mo nakong ya gompieno partnerships e e leng gore tiro ya yone ke go gokaganya ka gore re kwadile fa go papametse. Nako ya me e tšhaile botlhe ba ba eletsang go re thusa kwa dikoleng, le dikole mokaulengwe. Jaanong, re ya go tshwaragana e bile di itse gore comrade Hikuama o tlile, o tshotse se, a re tshwaragane le ba United Nations Children’s Fund mme se ka isiwa kwa sekole se kgotsa kwa go se, ka (UNICEF) mo tirong e through ETSSP gore mananeo a mabaka a a bong a le teng. Ke sone se se buiwang, ga bo Public Private Partnership (PPP) a go tshwaraganela go na ope yo o kganelwang gore o ka aba kwa sekoleng. thulaganyo e ya early childhood gore gompieno re e dira Ga re ka ke ra letla comrade gore e re ke ntse jaana ngwaga. Mo ngwageng o o tlang re eletsa gore re bo re ke le Fidelis Molao, ke le Mopalamente wa Domkrag simolola go e dira at least dingwaga tse pedi fa e le gore ke na le lenaneo, a bo ke ya go batla mongwe yo o gatwe e tsere lebaka le le khutshwane. Ke selo se re se ka mphang pencils go di isa kwa dikoleng tsotlhe tsa dirang e bile re tsweletse ka sone. lefatshe la Botswana, e bo e re fa ke tsamaya ke rwala Ke tlhalose gore re tshwaraganele dikole le setšhaba ka sekwata sa maDomkrag re apere bohibidu mo dikoleng kakaretso go thusanya le Goromente go di tsamaisa le moo. No, that will be wrong! Ga re ka ke ra go letlelela.

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Our schools are sacrosanct, re tshwanetse go di ntsha gone go tlhoka kelelo ya go lwantsha one mogare wa mo our partisan politics. COVID-19, o o gapang matshelo a batho. Ke tsone dilo tse re tshwanetseng ya re re bua, re eletsa gore Batswana HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… ba tswe ba ye go lema, ba ye go selasela, ba itirele MR MOLAO: Fa Rre Balopi a le fa, ga ke mo sebe, e matshelo a bone mme ba bo ba ipabaletse mo mogareng, le Mokwaledimogolo wa Domkrag a bo a tsaya dithoto re se ka ra bua e kete ra re ga o yo. a re ke le Mokwaledimogolo wa Domkrag ke tsamaya Kwa kgaolong e ke tswang kwa go yone Mr le dikole, kamoso ke kwa Gabane, Mmankgodi, kwa Speaker, jaaka ke ne ke bua, re solofetse yone tsela kae, a rwele maDomkrag ba apere bohibidu, ba ya go ya Mmandunyane/Mathangwane, e ba lephata le le phakisa dikole, we will tell him it is wrong, you cannot lebaganeng ba solofeditseng gore tender ya yone do that. Ke sone fela se re se buang. Ga go na ope yo o e tloga e tswa mo bogautshwaneng. Ke tsela e e tlaa kganelwang gore o le Mopalamente jaana o ikamanye le yang go thusa go tokafatsa seemo sa itsholelo kwa dikole tse di mo kgaolong ya gago, o tsamae o ba thuse ka kgaolong ya Shashe West. Re solofetse tsa botsogo, fa o ba thusang ka teng. If you are wearing party colours re na le dikokelwana Tona wa tsa Botsogo; kokelwana and take activists, le tsamaya le aba kwa dikoleng, we ya Mathangwane, Sebina, Semitwe, Borolong le tse will tell you it is wrong ka gore kamoso it will be you, dingwe tse e leng gore di solofeditswe mo lenaneong kamoso ke wa phathi e nngwe, kamoso ke wa phathi e lone le la National Development Plan 11 (NDP 11), tse and our schools become political battle ground. Ga go a ke dumelang gore di tshwanetse tsa dirwa gore botsogo tshwanela gore go nne jalo. Re tshwanetse go itse gore bo tle bo nne botoka mo kgaolong e ke tswang kwa go dikole le bana ba rona re ba haphe… yone. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Kgang ya metsi jaaka Tona ke ne ke go leboga, re a MR MOLAO: …mo dikgannyeng tsa sepolotiki. itse gore batho ba metse ya bo Marobela, le Mafungo ba santse ba le mo lenyoreng ka gore bowsers di a ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. tlhaela. Re nona pelo ka mathe ka gore project yone e MR MOLAO: Ke sone fela se se buiwang. Batho ba setse e simolotse. Re ne re ka oketsa e ya bowsers gore bantsi ba ba re abelang mo lefatshe la Botswana mme ba nne ba tshelelwa metsi kwa bo Marapong le Semitwe ba sa tle ba apere mebala ya sepolotiki, ga ba nke ba re santse re emetse gore project e wele, go ka re thusa kganelwa. We are still saying it now gore ga go na fela thata. Ke selo se se re tshwenyang kwa kgaolong ya ope yo o ka kganelwang comrade. Jaanong o itse jalo Shashe West. gore fa gotwe dibuka di a abiwa, especially textbooks, Re ya kwa temong Honourable Lesaso, Integrated research e a supa gore there must be age appropriate, Support Programme for Arable Agriculture Development the vocabulary e tsamaelana le bana ba sebopego sone (ISPAAD) jaaka o ntshitswe gompieno, Batswana ba seo. Ke dilo tse di dirwang and not use our schools as ipaakanyetse diphetogo tse di tlang jaaka re tlhalositse dumping ground. gore ISPAAD yo o tlang o tlaabo a fetotswe go lebilwe Ke wela Mr Speaker, ke supe gore re ikemiseditse gore maduo e ka nna a a botoka. Fa batho ba filwe peo, to deliver to the expectations tsa Batswana mme a ba ye go lema, ba tlhokomele masimo a bone, ba dirise COVID-19 is real. Re tshwanetse gore e re re eme fa menontshane e sentle gore go nne le dipoelo fa ba leng re le baeteledipele, re bo re tlhalosetsa setšhaba se re teng, go se ka ga nna le tatlhegelo e e ntseng e leng teng se eteletseng pele gore COVID-19 e teng. E re ntswa re mo nakong ya gompieno. batla gore batho ba tswe ba ye go itirela matshelo, ba Ke tsaya gore ke buile dintlha di le mmalwa, ke supa fa tsamae ka pabalesego, ba ipabalele ka gore re a bona le molaetsa wa ga Tautona e le molaetsa o o neng o nonne mo mafatsheng a mangwe a a humileng jaaka ke ne ke fela thata. bua gore mogare o setse o tsamaela kwa dipalong tse di sa laolesegeng, ba setse ba dira lockdowns. Ga re eletse Ke o wetse ka yone ya gore electoral reforms le gore re boele kwa lockdowns ka re ne ra gagamatsa, ra corruption, ke tsaya gore e tlaa re fa re bua ka the kgona gore re laole mogare ka fa re neng ra laola ka teng Constitutional Review, kgang ya electoral reforms, we go fitlhelela fa re leng teng gompieno. Bangwe jaana will find space in the Constitutional Review process ba a ngaangaa ba jelwe ke ditlhopho golo gongwe ka gore re eletsa gore re tsamaise jang ditlhopho tsa rona

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ka fa Batswana ba tlaabong ba bua ka gone. E seng ga batho ba fiwe ditlamelo? Nnyaa, kana go tshwanetse gompieno fa e leng gore batho bone fa ba lebile dikgang gore go nne le plan e e tswang kwa headquarters. tsa ditlhopho, le gompieno morago ga ngwaga, ba santse Minister wa Health and Wellness fa ke re ke a mo kopa batho ba ngangatletse gore re tsieditswe mo ditlhophong, gore a tle kwa Shoshong a tle go bona gore go diragala le ba ba neng ba seyo mo dikgang tsa teng gompieno eng, o gana go tla. Ke mo kopile, ka kopa le ene Vice have joined. Ke dilo tse di re gakgamatsang e bile ga di President gore a mmolelele, a mo kope. O ne a mo laela thuse go aga itsholelo kante popego ya democracy ya gore a tle kwa Shoshong a ye go bona. rona gore fa batho ba fentswe, ba amogela, botshelo bo tswelele, ba ipaakanyetse ditlhopho tse di tlang, e seng HONOURABLE MEMBER: O senya Honourable go lelela ruri gore re tsieditswe, mme ba sena mabaka Dikoloti leina. ape a ba a supang, jaaka go supagala golo gongwe. Ke a MR LESASO: O ganne. Nnyaa, ke yo mmotse. leboga Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR LESASO (SHOSHONG): Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke a go leboga gore o bo o mphile tshono ya gore le nna MR LESASO: Ke yo! Mmotse gore ga ke ise ke bue ke bue ka the state of my constituency. Kana re na le go le ene ka mo kopa. O ganne go ya teng. Ke dilo tse di bua ka lefatshe re lebala ba ba re tlisitseng kwano. Jaaka utlwisang botlhoko. Ke tsamaile mo dikokelwaneng yo mongwe a ntse a bua a ganetsa boammaaruri jo bo tsa Shoshong tsotlhe, ga gona se se thusang batho leng teng. ba Shoshong ka ditlamelo tse di botlhokwa tse ba di tlhokang. Ambulances ga di yo, ga gona fa ba Mr Speaker, Shoshong Constituency e aperwe ke belegisetswang teng, ga gona fa ba bonnwang teng ke letlhoko, bohumanegi le go tlhoka ditirelo. Fa ke ka ngaka, ke gore ga gona sepe. go tsaya fela ke go simolola mo kgaolong ele, e e mo tseleng ya Lephepe o tswa kwa Otse, go ya go ema A re tsene mo dikoleng. Dikole tsa Shoshong di kwa Moralane, ke metse e e leng gore ga gona ditiro, kgautlhane. Photocopier fela e e tlhokang gore ditirelo le tsa botsogo ga gona, e mo khumanegong. Ga barutabana ba kgone to photocopy dipampiri, gore ba o ka ke wa bona metse e ka nna 13 e le mo kgaolong thuse bana ba dire di homework, ga gona. O ka bona e le nngwefela, mme fa go belegesediwang teng e le morutabana a tswa kwa Moralane a ya to photocopy kamorenyana e le nngwefela e le kwa Shoshong. Metse kwa Dibete ka koloi ya gagwe, ka ditsompelo tsa e le 13 go sena sepatela sepe se se belegisang. Golo moo gagwe, mme re na le Local Government and Rural ke go supa gore batho ba Shoshong ba santse ba saletse Development, le Education, tse di ikgaogantseng gore kwa morago mo ditlhabololong. di tlaa thusa. Ditlamelo tse di ntseng jalo di seyo. Golo Batho ba Shoshong ga ba na ditiro, ditiro tse di teng fela moo ke lesotlo le le tletseng, le e leng gore ga re ka ke ke go hiriwa kwa dipolaseng tsa bahumi bone ba ba ka ra letlelela le nna jalo. The state of the Constituency ya fa ba. Ba a ba tsaya ba ba isa kwa dipolaseng kwa, ba Shoshong e utlwisa botlhoko. Something must be done ba baya koo, ga ba ba duele. Ga ba na kwa ba bonang and it must be done now. botsogo teng, fa o tsena kwa dipolaseng tsa Shoshong, Tiro fela e e teng mo Kgaolong ya Shoshong ke ya dipolase tseo di bidiwa gotwe tsa Sandveldt, there are Ipelegeng. O kile wa bona kgaolo e le kanakana, so more than 200. Batho ba ba berekang moo, gore a ye vast, e kgaogana, e bile e kopana le bo Central Kalahari go bona botsogo ke gore a latelwe gone koo, le bone Game Reserve (CKGR) le kae, mme tiro fela e e teng, ba botsogo ba sa fiwa ditlamelo tsa gore ba isitswe gore o tshwanetse gore o nne modisa, cleaner, o bereke kwa ba ye go ba thusa jang. Ke nngwe ya dilo tse di beileng Ipelegeng kana Choppies e e kwa Shoshong. Ga gona kgaolo ya me ka fa mosing. Batho ba kgaolo eo ba a ditiro mo kgaolong ya rona. Dilo tse ke tse di utlwisang sotlega Mr Speaker. Ke kopile Goromente, ke kopa le botlhoko, tse ke batlang go di baya fa pele ga Palamente ba botsogo gore bogolo ba beye clinic e e belegisang e, le yone Puso e e busang e kgone go lemoga gore fa Kodibeleng. Ba re ga gona nurse yo o ka belegisang. tlhabololo ya lefatshe le ga e tsamaelane, ke gore ga e Ka ba raya ka re, ke kopa gore bogolo ke dirise madi uniform. Go na le kwa go tlhabololwang teng, go na le a ke a neelwang a constituency gore re agele batho ba kwa go sa tlhabololweng teng. Kodibeleng, Otse, Ikongwe le Moralane clinic e e ka belegisang. Ba re, nnyaa ga go ka ke ga kgonega fa go A re bue ka ditsela; ditsela tsa Shoshong, ke raya fa o sena baoki ba ba ka thusang. Jaanong re dire jang gore bua ka motse fela o tshwana le wa Shoshong, ga gona

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sepe se se teng se e leng gore o ka ya teng. Gompieno MR LESASO: Makgalemele gakere e ne e le wa lona? bagolo ba rona mo Kgaolong ya Shoshong, ga ba na Wa re Makgalemele. ditsela, fa ba batla go ya dikokelwana, batho ba di taxi ba gana go ya go ba tsaya ka gore ga gona ditsela. Ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Dilo tse Makgalemele o kopile infrastructure development kwa go Rre Molale, di buile mme. go padile. MR LESASO: Ee, fa a di buile le palelwa a le ka koo, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wa re o kopile eng? ke tlaa kgona nna? The impact of COVID-19; bagaetsho le nna le bua ka COVID-19, gore go tlhapiwe diatla, MR LESASO: Internal infrastructure development, go aparwe masks and sanitize, but there is something go padile. Ke ne ke le fa maloba fa go dirwa review ya se re tshwanetseng gore re se tsenelele kwa teng. Batho nnetane, ke re ke a kopa, go padile. ba senyegetswe ke ditiro. Batho gompieno ba tshela ka stress. Batho gompieno jaana ba tsenwe ke malwetse a Land servicing programme ya ga Rre Mzwinila, ke a amanang le letlhoko la ditiro, le jone bolwetse jo bo kopile ditsela go padile. Ke gore all these things ga se nnang bo ba hupeditse gore ba kgone gore ba ka itirela gore ga ke leke go bua le lona Ministers ka koo, le a eng. Batho gompieno matshelo a bone a pitlagane. gana, mme batho ba Shoshong bone ba nthomile gore ke Keletso ke gore, lona le lebile eng gore le ka kgona gore bue le lona. Ke tshwanetse ke le bolelele gape gore, ee, le lebagane le kgang e, gore go ka dirwa eng ka yone gompieno jaana Rre Molao o aga hostels kwa Kalamare, gore batho ba thusiwe. Gompieno jaana go na le Gender mme ga di na matlo a barutabana. Ke gore o ipotsa gore Based Violence (GBV) e go buiwang ka yone, e e leng fa gotwe go agiwa ka fa, mo gongwe go tlogetswe kwa gore it is one of the factors tse di teng, tse di amanang morago. le yone, ke gore a lot of people have lost jobs, ba foo, HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… ga ba itse gore ba ka itheng, there is anger, depression and stress. There are diseases related to these things, tse MR LESASO: Nnyaa, if you expand hostels, you are di tlhokang Puso gore e itebaganye le tsone, gore dilo expanding number of teachers. There are a number tse dingwe di kgone gore di imolole batho mathata a ba of teachers ba e leng gore ga ba na go nna le boroko, leng mo go one. eight teachers ba e leng gore ga ba na go nna le boroko Ke gore lona fa le bone gore gatwe go tlhapiwe diatla, golo kwa. Fa o tsena kwa Dibete, go agiwa clinic, ga go netliwe, ke yone tiro e le tlaa tlholang le e lora fela, e belegise, ga e na matlo a baoki. Ke gore this type of you are not going to look at other factors tse di amang haphazard kana ke planning, kana motho fa a akanya batho mo matshelong a bone. A Ministry wa Health fela o ya go aga, without even planning what they are and Wellness o itebaganye le go bona gore mathata a a doing, this is wrong! amang Batswana fa e le gore ga a kgone go bonwa ke motho ka matlho, a ka dirwa jang. Ke batla go bua ka Mma ke tsene mo COVID-19. Ke ne ke batla go bua Setswana ka gore ke batla gore batho ba Shoshong ba ka Shoshong go le gonnyennyane gore le itse fela gore utlwe. Ke ka bo ke bua ka Sekgoa gore le kgone gore gompieno jaaka ke ne ke le bolelela le maabane gore le utlwe gore gatwe golo mo go raya eng, lona ba le kwa Mokgenene le Poloka ga gona motlakase, mme ratang Sekgoa. Fa o emelela Motlotlegi Mzwinila o le bua ka bo knowledge-based economy, le bua ka bua ka Sekgoa o bolelela batho, o ithaya o re batho ba computers, le a ba kgantshetsa. Ga re itse gore bone Shoshong ba a go utlwa? ba ya go di bona kae go sena motlakase. Ke dilo tse di buiwang gompieno gore you must do something for the Ke batla go tsena mo kgannyeng ya metsi e o neng o bua people, batho ba kgone go nna le se lona le se akolang ka waste water reclamation Motlotlegi Rre Mzwinila. mo kgaolong ya lona. Ga ke na go itsapela go buelela Kgang ya waste water reclamation, nako e gorogile Rre batho ba Shoshong, ga ke na go itsapa! Mzwinila, le fa o diegile go se kaenyana, metsi ga a yo mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Ke dumalana le wena gore Go na le tsela e ke saleng ke e kopa ya Dibete go ya kwa re tshwanetse go tsaya dikgato tse di tshwanetseng gore Otse, e e neng e ka bulela balemi ba kgaolo ele gore ba metsi a a teng, bonnyennyane jo bo teng, re kgone go bo kgone gore ba tlise their produce gaufi le A1. Go ntse go dirisa go fitlhelela go sala gore re ka se ke re bo dirise. ntse fela jalo, go a pala. Reclamation ya metsi jaaka o e bua, e a tlhokafala. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Makgalemele. Ke dumalana le mogopolo wa gago gore re kgone go

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dirisa metsi a re a bitsang waste water. Gongwe re ka senyegileng o kgone go bona gore o somarele se o nang a dirisa ka stages ka gore Batswana ga ba ise ba itse le sone gona le gore go fete fela jaana, go fetele kwa gore metsi a a ka dirisiwa jang. Gongwe some of these bofelelong. Baakanya pipes pele, o bo o simolola to waters a ne a ka dirisiwa mo dilong tse dingwe a ise a connect. goroge mo dipompong tsa metsi a a nowang ke batho. Re simolole re ntse re kgaoganya ka stages to the point Masama is supposed to be our reserve in times of need. that people will start appreciating gore ba ka a dirisa Ga e a tshwanela gore gompieno jaana e bo e le gore it jang. Gompieno gongwe fa re ka simolola ra ba a netla is a primary use. Conjunctive use e a neng a e bua eo, e ka gore ga re ise re nne le systems tsa rona, e bile ga re tlhalosiwa jaana Motlotlegi Rre Mzwinila, conjunctive ise re di test. Gape ga re ise re test babereki gore a ba use ke fa e le gore o dirisa metsi a a teng fa godimo ka kgona, ba ka nna le boikarabelo jo bo tletseng jwa ga lefatshe, mme fa e le gore ga a sa tlhole a le teng, gore go ka se ke go nne le kgotlelesego e e kalo mo ke gone o ka dirisang a a kwa tlase. You have done it metsing a re nang le one. Keletso ya me ke gore a re nne the other way round. O tsaya metsi a a ka fa tlase ga le programme ya stage by stage development to the end lefatshe, o a tshololela kwa, mme metsi a North-South e e tlaa tlang e re isa koo. Ke dumalana le wena gore re Carrier, project e sa bolo go nna teng, e ka bo e sa bolo tshwanetse to reclaim waste water, re e dirise. go dirwa, le e gatile gore re connect Masama.

Motlotlegi Mzwinila, itlhaganelele go baakanya pipes HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... tse di senyegileng mo metseng e metona. Gompieno o MR LESASO: Nnyaa, ga e bereke ka gore the North- ne o bua ka kgang ya Masama. Kgang e ke tlaa nna ke South Carrier 2.2 e tshwanetse to be connected, e eme. ntse ke bua ka yone. Ga go molato go pompa metsi kwa Masama, mme go tsaya metsi a a botlhokwatlhokwa Le emisitse treatment plant ya Mmamashia. a a ka fa tlase ga lefatshe, o bo o ya go a tshela mo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba deplete reserve. botlhobodikeng, ke mathata. O a itse gore kwa Kanye, metsi a a senyegang koo ke 40 per cent of the total MR LESASO: You are depleting reserve that is demand ya motse oo. O itse gore tshenyego e teng supposed to stay there for us go re e dirise in the future. kwa Molepolole, Thamaga, Moshupa, kae le kae, ke metsi a mantsi a a senyegang. If you are pumping 60 MR TSHERE: Elucidation Mr Speaker. Thank you litres of water from Masama underground, a resource very much Honourable Lesaso. Ke kgatlhegela kgang e o e buang ya Masama ka gore I think maloba fa re bua e e botlhokwatlhokwa jaana, o bo o e tsaya o e fetisa Honourable Khama said something very interesting a o e pompela ka fa tlase ga lefatshe kwa Kanye, ga se re, ‘kana e rile fa re dira a test run on Masama project, tshiamo. Selo sa ntlha, resource e e botlhokwa eo e a didiba tsotlhe in the surrounding areas dried up.’ So, ke senyega. Selo sa bobedi, ga o kgone go bona dipoelo ipotsa gore is it a feasible thing fa e le gore didiba are all tsa madi a a kanakana a Water Utilities Corporation going to dry up, balemi ba ba foo ba bo ba sala ba sena (WUC) e a tlhokang gore e kgone go thusa to develop metsi didiba tsa bone di kgadile? A ko o clarify kgang kwa metseng e mengwe. Ke yone e ke kopang gore... eo. Thank you. MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER MR LESASO: There is an element of truth in what you AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): are saying ka gore indeed kwa bofelelong se o se buang, Elucidation Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga Motlotlegi. Ke ke boammaaruri. Kwa bofelelong, batho ba Kgatleng, o lebogela bogakolodi jwa gago, mme ke botsa gore ka kae Kgabo? gore ga re ka ke ra di dira tsotlhe nako e le nngwefela, go gorosa metsi le go baakanya phatlalatso ya metsi, go HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… tle eng pele ga se sengwe? MR LESASO: Ehee! Batho ba Kgatleng, ke gore ke le MR LESASO: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Mzwinila. bolelele ruri gore kwa bofelelong, borehole depth tse ba O bona 40 per cent o o senyegang ole, fa a ne a ka di epileng, ka fa ba di epileng to a level ya tsone, o utlwa somarelwa, go baakantswe ka kwa pele, tlhaelo e o e gotwe they have dried up, because of the drawdown ya buang kwa, o ne o ka fitlhela e se e e kana ka e o neng the water table ya kwa nnetlaneng. Go ya go feleletsa e o e solofetse gore o bo o pompa Masama. Gongwe e ka le gore didiba tsele gatwe di kgadile fa e le gore go ka se bo e le gore o pompa North-South Carrier o somaretse ke go somarelwe this resource ya Masama. Ga ke ise ke Masama. Baakanya kwa Kanye, o thibe pipes tse di re e se ka ya pompiwa. There is a need for water fa e le

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gore e a tlhokafala, mme a go nne le a limit e e leng gore e swe, e bo e sale jaanong e le mafuti fela go ya kwa it can be pumped up to because the North-South Carrier e leng teng. Ke kopa gore ministry o o responsible for is supposed to be playing that role. E ka bo e tsile pele. roads infrastructure, ba ithute go baakanya ditsela di ise Masama should be pumping when North-South Carrier di senyege; preventative maintenance. Ba leke go ithuta has got a problem, go na le maintenance mo tseleng gore ditsela di a tlhokomelwa, ditsela di tshwana fela kana go na le shortage. Right now we are doing the le koloi. Ga o e lese gore o e kgweetse e bo e ema, ke other way round, and it is wrong. You are depleting the gone o bo o e baakanya. The reason go na le golo mo very important resource ya Masama. Jaanong ke kopa gotweng service, ke gore koloi e se ka ya senyega o ntse gore golo moo le go baakanye, and o go baakanye ka o e kgweetsa. Tsela e ntse fela jalo. bonako Motlotlegi Mzwinila. Fa o kgweetsa mo tseleng, o tshwanetse gore at some A re yeng kwa thutong. Kwa Shoshong, thuto e le e stage o tswale golo gongwe o baakanye. Fa o ntse o thiba buang e ya Wi-Fi, gongwe re tlaa e lora fela ka gore (patching), ga le itse gore potholes di senya (degrade) metse e mengwe mo kgaolong ya me ga e na le one tsela go feta. Minister o ntse a ipoka ka potholes tsa motlakase jaaka ke bua. Se se botlhokwa ke gore there is kwa Palapye-Serowe, you do not do that. You prevent a lot of pressure mo barutabaneng. Go na le batho gatwe deterioration ya tsela, instead of fixing it ka potholes bo senior teacher le bo Principal. Fa o utlwa gotwe o o ntse o thiba. This P50 billion a tokafale e nne P75 senior teacher, kana go raya gore ga o sa tlhole o ruta. billion, because these roads should be taken care of and Gatwe o lebagana le gore o tlhokomele a group of classes maintained in a proper way and a timely manner. Ke tse di under you, jaanong thuto becomes secondary gone mo ke kopang gore go dirwe. mo go wena. Tona wa Thuto, ke a kopa, simolola go hira administrators tsa education, barutabana ba Housing and rural development; ga re ka ke ra nna fela re le baeteledipele ra lebelela merafe le batho kgone go ruta, le lebaganye barutabana gore ba rute. ba rona mo dikgaolong ba salela kwa morago mo go Administrators tsa education ba nne teng, ba kgone go tlhokeng, ba ntse ba tlhoka matlo a bonno a a siameng. bona gore administration ya education e teng sentle mo Rre Molale, there is programme under your ministry e e dikoleng. Ke gone mo ke go kopang gore lekang gore le buang ka rural… ga ke itse gore o agela batlhoki matlo. bone gore barutabana ba dira… kana you will find that Ke kopa gore go nne le rural housing development e there is a specialised teacher wa Science, and because e fully-fledged under a ministry that will look into he has progressed and done well, he is promoted. After developing housing for the rural communities. Batho promotion, gatwe o bidiwa senior teacher kana gatwe ba a sotlega, ga ba kgone go ikagela matlo a a ba fang eng. Go tsweng fa, o tlogedisiwa thuto ya gagwe e seriti. Gompieno re santse re bona go na le dipetelelo tse a e dirang. Fa a sena go nna a tlhatlosiwa maemo di kana mo dikgaolong tse dintsi, ke gone gore batho ga (promotion) jalo, o tlogedisiwa thuto, o lebagana le gore ba kgone go aga matlo. O fitlhela batho ba sukagane mo jaanong gatwe he is heading different classes. Instead of ntlonnyaneng ya mmu e le nngwefela ya bojang, go se doing that, let this person yo o specialised, a continue na gore o ka itira eng. Ke kopa gore a re simololeng go ka career ya gagwe a nne morutabana; a tlhatlosiwe bona gore re tlhokomela batho mo dikgaolong. Batho maemo fela, le batle administrators tsa thuto tse di tlaa mo dikgaolong ba neelwa ditsha, di bo di ya go tsewa kgonang to administer classes tse gore a barutabana ba ke rona ba gompieno re apereng dithai. Ke kopa gore perform sentle, ba ruta sentle. Goromente a tsenye leitlho mo go boneng gore, ditsha tse di neelwang batho mo dikgaolong, ga di itseelwe HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… tseelwe fela. Go nne le a safety protection e e teng, e MR LESASO: Ke tlhalositse, ga ke itse gore o batla e sireletsang batho ba ba kwa dikgaolong gore le fa a tlhaloso ya eng, o a ntia wena. ka bo a tlhokile go le kae, bogolo setsha sa gagwe a nne le sone. Ga gona selo se se fang motho seriti jaaka The Transport Sector Mr Speaker, Tautona o buile ka go nna le setsha, e le sa gagwe, kamoso a ka tsoga a se the P50 billion road infrastructure ya Botswana. That is supegetsa ngwana wa gagwe a re, le fa o bona ke senang a big asset e e tlhokang go tlhokomelwa. Fa gompieno ngwanake, ke na le setsha ke se. jaana P50 billion yo a balwa, o balelwa le tsela e e tswang kwa Shakawe e ya go ema fa Francistown. Fa Jaanong ke kopa gore golo moo Minister Mzwinila, o go o ka re o bitsa tsela, ga se tsela. There was money spent tsenye mo ditshekatshekong tsa gago, gore fa o fa motho on that road, e e neng ya letlelelwa gore e kgautlhane lefatshe, go nne le ka fa batho ba ba mo botlhoking jo bo

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kalokalo kwa bo Mokgenene, Poloka, Moralane, Otse they did not want this land. Ba le rekisitse because ba le Kodibeleng… ba e reng fa le feta jaana, o bo o ema tlhoka se ba ka se itirang. There are no opportunities for o re ga gona ope yo o rekisang setsha? Go bo gotwe ke Batswana go bona gore ba ka itshetsa jang. seo, o bo o mo neela P5, o bo o se tsaya o feta. Ke batla gore golo moo go eme. Emisang go kgokgontsha batho Fa ke tsena mo leruong la dipodi, gompieno le ya go ba dikgaolo le go ba tsenya mo pitlaganong ya gore o bo neela Batswana dipodi le bo le re ba di rue. Ke batla o fitlhela ba le mo kgokgontshong ka letlhoko le le ba go go balela sengwe se ke se kwadileng fa, o tle o bone tsenyang mo go lone. Ke yone kopo e ke le e kopang. gore go tlhokafala eng fa o neela motho podi. Keletso ya me, jaaka le batla go dira, re tshwanetse gore re nne Electronic services; re bua ka e-health, e-education le le lenaneo la one; artificial insemination ya dipodi. That tse dingwe. Without creating a foundation ya technology must be promoted and would create jobs for banana ba mo lefatsheng la Botswana mo primary and pre-schools, kgone go thusa balemisi mo dikgaolong, ba kgone gore ga gona ka fa o ka tlholang o fitlhelela maikaelelo a ba ntsifatse dipodi. Two; rural farmers ke bone ba ba rona a technology. Fa o ka lebelela primary schools yang go tlhaelwa ke tsone dipodi tse di tsewa ke batho tsa Botswana which have access to technology e re ba sele. O bona citizen inclusion e, go tewa including buang ka yone gompieno, you are not going to get more others, ba ba ratileng go tshwana le nna jaana. Ke yone than 20 per cent ya tsone. Re santse re bua ka Fourth citizen inclusion e le e batlang. Industrial Revolution gompieno, ke eng re sa dumalane fela gompieno gore we are in the Second Industrial HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Revolution? It is a dream to go into the Third Industrial MR LESASO: Jaanong le tshwanetse gore gompieno, Revolution mo lefatsheng la Botswana gompieno as re tsene mo go boneng gore Batswana ba sekei, ke bone we speak in most villages. Jaanong ke kopa gore a re ba ba tshwanetseng to benefit mo dilong tse, and they tseyeng boammaaruri fa re leng teng, re bone gore step must be capacitated. Le tshwanetse gore le tlise batho by step… yes, we can separate this country into a place ba ba tlaa thusang Batswana, gore ba rue leruo le re le like Gaborone, Francistown and other places, fa re ka tlhokang. buang gore gongwe re mo Third Industrial, but the rest of the country, a re bueng ka second or first. Ke gone fa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. re leng teng. MR LESASO: Small stock demonstrators, ba ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… tlaa rutang Batswana ka go tlhokomela go rua le go tlhokomela leruo le le nnyennyane la dihutshane. E nne MR LESASO: Ee, fa o lora jaaka o re o a lora ka gore something that you must do, ga le a tshwanela gore le o a busa, gongwe o ka lora jalo. Fela se se salang ke tikele dipodi kwa bathong jaaka le ntse le dira, le ba di gore, boammaaruri jo bo teng ke jone jo. Mokgenene neela ka LIMID. le Poloka, o ka e bua gore e mo go eng? Ke eng gone HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. moo, Fourth Industrial Revolution? Ke first; ba ithuta le lebone gore le laitiwa jang, because they have not seen a MR LESASO: Go tshwanetse gore go nne le bulb. Ke Puso e e sa bolong go nna foo. cooperatives, kwa dipodi tse di tlaa kgonang go rekwa teng, ka gore Batswana ba bantsi kwa kgaolong jaaka HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… kwa bo Mokgenene… MR LESASO: Gompieno ke tlile go buelelela batho. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Fa e le gore le eletsa gore ke nne fa fatshe ke didimale, reserve the land for Batswana and protect it for them. MR LESASO: …ga a ka ke ba kgona go tsaya podi e Batswana kamoso ba ya go iphitlhela… gompieno Rre le nngwefela a e isa gore e ye go rekwa kwa Dibete, ka Mzwinila, fa o ka tlola fela fa Metsimotlhabe o pota ka gore ga gona transport. Ga a na resources tsa go duela kwa, ditsha tsele tsotlhe di tserwe ke maChina; tsotlhe. gore podi eo e palame e isiwe gone koo. Go nne le gore Just go and do an investigation. I am told ba lema ba nne le accessible places tse ba ka kgonang go rekisa merogo gompieno and ba simolola to export merogo dipodi tseo teng, mme dilo tseo ga di baakanyetse… ba e isa kwa China, maChina. Jaanong ke kopa gore re simolole go bona gore lefatshe le, le boela mo diatleng MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members! tsa Batswana. They have not sold this land, because We will continue after lunch. Let us adjourn now and be

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back at 2:00 p.m. the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security to state:

PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 1:05 P.M. FOR (i) how much was used to design the Paje Military APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR Academy; and

PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 2:05 P.M. (ii) when the construction of the academy will commence. QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Later Date. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member for Serowe North, Mr Mathoothe. DISTRICT ESTABLISHMENT IN TSWAPONG REGION HONOURABLE MEMBER: Good afternoon Mr Speaker! Ke tlaa mo e tseela. DR K. GOBOTSWANG (SEFHARE- RAMOKGONAMI): asked the Minister of Local …Silence… Government and Rural Development to state:

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member for Sefhare- (i) if there are plans to establish a fully-fledged Ramokgonami, Dr Gobotswang. district in the Tswapong Region;

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tanki Mr Speaker. O (ii) when that will happen and if not; santse a dule, o kopile gore ke mo e tseele. (iii) the reasons thereof, given the vastness of the area …Silence… and the population size.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member for Francistown ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL South, Honourable Mmolotsi. GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR AUTLWETSE): Good afternoon Mr Speaker. MR MMOLOTSI: Question number three Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, I have not yet considered upgrading MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister of Employment, Tswapong Region to a fully-fledged district. However, Labour Productivity and Skills Development. in view of this request and similar ones presented before me, I have found it an opportunity to consider …Silence… this holistically. I must state that this exercise will entail extensive consultations with the affected councils MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member for Gaborone and their communities as prescribed by the Local Bonnington South, Honourable Greeff. Government Act of 2012, Section 3 as read with Section HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… mo e 13. tseela Honourable Speaker. It must as a matter of necessity Mr Speaker, be carried …Silence… out in a thorough and structural manner to ensure that all the requisite steps are taken into consideration as MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member for Tonota, prescribed by the law. Thereafter, the key determining Honourable Moatlhodi. factor will be resource availability.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O nkopile gore ke mo e In view of the above, my ministry is in the process of tseele Mr Speaker… concluding the Decentralisation Policy which will help in the orderly implementation of this request. The draft HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa Mr Speaker. is ready and final consultations will be conducted before HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… end of this financial year that is COVID-19 permitting. Mr Speaker, I must emphasise that any consideration HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… for establishment of a new district has nothing to do PAJE MILITARY ACADEMY with Tribal Territories Act. Perceptions that declaration of sub-districts to become fully-fledged districts will MR B. MATHOOTHE (SEROWE NORTH): asked break up tribal territories does not hold. I must hasten

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to assert that just as we currently have district councils MR AUTLWETSE: Ka re ngwaga wa madi o ya fifing. that are made up by more than one tribal territory, we can equally have more than one district council in a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… tribal territory. Where townships are declared in tribal HONOURABLE MEMBER: 31st March. territories, there is a due process that is always followed as was done with Jwaneng, Sowa and Selebi Phikwe. In HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. all these, consultations have always been at the core as MR SPEAKER: No. it is the anchor of our democratic process. BRIGADES STUDENTS’ ALLOWANCE REVIEW In conclusion Mr Speaker, I want to bring to the attention of this Honourable House that a similar question was MR W. B. MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): asked during November 2019 sitting of Parliament by asked the Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity Honourable Monnakgotla of Kgalagadi North regarding and Skills Development to state: the upgrading of Hukuntsi Sub-District and I gave a similar answer. I thank you Mr Speaker. (i) whether his ministry has any plans of reviewing allowances for brigades students from the current MR LUCAS: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. paltry P300.00; Ke ne ke re Tona kana kgang ya Decentralisation Policy e tswa kgakala. Re utlwa gore the draft is ready jaanong (ii) if he is aware that some students are yet to receive potso ke gore policy e re e solofele leng; mo Palamenteng; their allowances for the month of April which they ya February, July kgotsa State of the Nation Address could not collect due to the lockdown; and (SONA) e e tshwanang le e? Go botlhokwa thata go itse gore re ka e solofela leng gore le rona re e ipaakanyetse (iii) his ministry’s plans to pay those students who are ka kwano. Ke a leboga. owed allowances.

MR AUTLWETSE: Mr Speaker, Decentralisation MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR Policy ga e amane gope le SONA, gore a e tlaa tla ka PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT SONA kana e tlaa tla fela ka Palamente nngwe le nngwe, (MR BALOPI): Thank you Mr Speaker, good go tlaa laola gore e fetile leng kwa Cabinet, kana ke afternoon. Mr Speaker, my ministry acknowledges that gone e tlaabong e tla kwano mo Palamenteng. Ke ne ke P300 allowance paid to brigade students is not sufficient kopa motlotlegi gore a amogele gore ka re it is ready, ga considering the cost of living. As a result, the ministry is considering to receive student allowances at brigades e ka ke ya tla kwano e se ready. Ke a leboga. after consultations with the relevant stakeholders. MR TSHERE: Supplementary. Thank you Honourable Speaker. Tona ke a go utlwa ka kgang ya go kgaoganya Mr Speaker, however, it should be noted that the allowance offered at brigade institutions is a grant, dikgaolo, le kwa Mahalapye re e emetse. Ga ke utlwe therefore, it cannot be compared to the allowance that sentle process e o e buang gore go tlaa tsamaya jang is offered to students at the tertiary institutions as part ka gore o bua gore go na le consultation e e dirwang of their sponsorship by the Department of Tertiary le Makhanselara, e tlaa fela, kana wa re ngwaga o o Education Financing (DTEF), which they have to repay tlang, mme gape fa o setse o araba la bobedi wa re it upon completion of their training. I am aware that some will be determined gore e ile leng kwa Cabinet. What students may not have received their allowances for the exactly are you saying in terms of timelines? Re solofele month of April due to lockdown. May I appraise this leng gore re tlaa bona thulaganyo e e diragadiwa Tona? Honourable House that the student allowances for 8, Thank you. 825 students amounting to P5, 547, 000 for March and MR AUTLWETSE: Mr Speaker, karabo ya me ke April were sent to BotswanaPost on the 20th March, rile before the end of this financial year, go tlaabo go 2020 to run the payroll which runs for a period of 30 fedile ka yone, that is the timeline. Ga ke tlhaloganye days under normal circumstances. fa e le gore go na le motlotlegi fano yo o sa itseng gore financial year ya rona e fela leng ka gore ke bodiwa In this case of COVID-19, it was extended by two th dipotso tse e leng gore are in the public domain. months up to the 30 of June, 2020 to the extent that the allowances for March-April and May ran concurrently HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… in the month of May 2020. Learners were informed

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on the availability of their allowances on the 23rd of bogompienong. E tlaare fa re ntse re tsweletse, mangwe March and 24th of May 2020 respectively. Through the a maikaelelo a rona ke gore re amane le ba private ministry’s Facebook page, out of the 8, 825 students sector re di kopanele. Letseno leo, le tlaa gakologelwa 7, 832 students received their allowances while 992 gore ga se madi a o a neelwang gotwe o tle o a buse th students did not collect their allowances as at the 30 jaaka in other institutions tse re di itseng tse ngwana of April, 2020. The department resubmitted names a tlamelwang ke Puso. O a a neelwa mme ga o na of students who were owed allowances for payment go a busa. Go ne go lebilwe gore ba tlaabo ba reka and as at September 2020, 612 students had collected meloranyana ka nako eo ka bontsi jwa bone ba ne ba allowances. The department sent notification of arrears on allowances to BotswanaPost and collections are fiwa bonno le tse di yang maleng. Ke sone se o bonang made by the students at any given time. Mr Speaker, the madi a teng a ne a sa gole ka bokete jo bo tshwanang process of paying students who are owed allowances is a le jwa dikole tse dingwe. E tlaare mo tshekatshekong continuous process as allowance arrears are honoured as ya rona e e tlang le ba re tlaabong re amana le bone ba and when institutions submit names of students who are dikompone tse di ikemetseng ka nosi, kana batho ba ba owed. In general, all arrears are managed and payment ikemetseng ka nosi ba dira le Puso, re bone gore re ka effected upon receipt of such notification by institutions. rotloetsa jang kgolo le go tsisa ditlamelo tse di botoka I thank you Mr Speaker. mo dikoleng tse.

MR MMOLOTSI: Supplementary. Tona, gongwe o re HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further supplementary. thuse gore, a go ka tswa go na le mabaka a a faphegileng a a dirang gore ba ba kwa the brigades ba neelwe the MR SPEAKER: The last supplementary. grant ya P300, fa ba bangwe ba ba kwa the tertiary MR MMOLOTSI: Further supplementary. Tona, a o institutions tse dingwe ba neelwa allowance ya P1200? a itse gore bana ba ba kwa the tertiary institutions ba Ke eng go sa diragale gore bana ba ba kwa the brigades ba neelwang allowances tse di botoka ba, ba neelwa fela jaaka ba ba kwa other tertiary institutions, ba boroko jo ba nnang mo go jone fela jaaka ba brigade neelwe allowance ya P1200 or whatever amount gore le ba neelwa boroko? Sa bobedi Tona, a o a lemoga gore bone ba tshele jaaka ba bangwe kwa sekoleng? go neela bana ba brigades P300 as opposed to madi a MR BALOPI: Tumalano e ya gore bana ba duelwe a neelwang ba ba at other institutions ke gone mo go P300, e ne e tshwaraganetswe le ba ba emetseng bana tlisang stigma mo brigade or vocational education? Go ba sekole; the National Student Representative Council supa gore o kare vocational education e tseetswe kwa le bagokgo ba dikole tse. Brigades tse, jaaka o itse, tlase go na le academic route. Go bo go felela go re di ntse di eteletswe pele ke ba ba neng ba di tsamaisa tsentse mo seemong se bana ka bontsi end up preferring e se Puso, ba the trusts jalojalo. E ne ya re fa Puso e the academic route as opposed to the vocational route. simolola go tsamaisa these brigades, go bo go tsenwa MR BALOPI: Honourable Mmolotsi, ke a go utlwa. Ke mo tumalanong eo. Tumalano ya teng e itebagantse sone se o utlwang re bua gore re batla go emisa stigma le gore, ka ga go na madi, ba tlaa leba gore ba ka ba se o buang ka sone. Fa ke simolola ka kgang ya gago neela bonnyennyane jo bo kana eng, ba bo ba ba neela ya gore ba bona ba arogantswe ka tsela e e rileng, go le ditlamelo tse ba ka di dirisang fa ba fetsa go ithuta. E nyatsa se ba se dirang. Kana ra re, ga ba na go busa madi tle e re fa ba tswa foo, ba bo ba tswelela ba dira se ba se a. Ba bangwe ke the loans gakere, ba tlaa busa madi a ithutetseng kwa sekoleng. E ne ya re kwa bofelong ka kwa bofelong, re solofela jalo. Ntle fela le madi, ga re gore madi a ne a tlhaela, ga felela go dumalanwe gore batle go kala tse di dirwang kwa brigade ka mabaka a go tlaa ntshiwa P300. P300 yo, o ne a seyo in the budget allowance e ba e neelwang e le the students. Ke sone se ya ministry ka ntata ya gore e ne ya re ka nako ya di re bonang botlhokwa jo bo tseneletseng jaaka re bua ka tsewa, go bo setse go dirilwe dikakanyetso tsa madi. skills development ka bophara jwa yone. Re bua gore Ga dumalanwa gore Human Resource Development re tseye itsholelo ya rona re e ntshe mo go ikaegeng ka Council (HRDC) ka madi a training levy a a yang kwa ditswammung le tse dingwe jalo, re ise kwa dikitsong. go bone, ka 2013/2014 and 2014/2015 financial years, Gone moo, go tlaa felela go netamisa moko wa rona go e nne bone ba ba tswelelang for dingwaga tse pedi ba bona gore tse di tlhokafalang, re di ise kwa kgolong ya ntshang allowance e. itsholelo re dirisa dikitso. Re tshwanetse re tsenye moko Jaanong re sekaseka go ya pele gore brigades tse, di mo dinameng re bone gore brigades tse, di tsena mo simolole go tokafadiwa ka fa di ntseng ka teng mo seemong se di tlaa dirang jalo. E tlaare kwa bofelong

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ka re tlaabo re itebagantse le dikitso, ga ke bone gore MR GREEFF: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Tona. Ke a ba ba senang the skills e tlaa nna o kare ba a nyadiwa go utlwa. Gongwe ke farologane le wena go sekaenyana, ka nako eo. Ke tsaya gore tshwaragano ya rona le ba ba ke go bolelele gore dikole tsotlhe tsa Bonnington ikemetseng ka nosi ba dikgwebo jaaka ke setse ke buile, South tsa primary ga go na textbooks. I think you need go rutuntsha le go dira the skills tse di ka re isang kwa to correct that. Gongwe o mpolelele le gore mme textbooks ka gore wa re di 37.8 per cent, le ya to supply pele re le lefatshe, tse di tlhokafalang, go tlaa tokafatsa leng textbooks kwa primary schools? Tablets ga o a bua diemo tsotlhe tsa dikitso le letseno. Bana ba rona ba nne ka tsone, ke dikole dife mo kgaolong yame, primary le le se ba se dirang, se ba se itseng, e nne batsayakarolo ba secondary schools tse le kileng la di fa tablets? Fa e le ba lolameng mo itsholelong ya rona. gore ga di yo kana di teng, le ya go di ba fa leng?

SHORTAGES IN BONNINGTON SOUTH MS MAKWINJA: Thank you Honourable Greeff. SCHOOLS Starting with textbooks, Bophirima Primary School; inadequate supply of textbooks due to insufficient MR C. GREEFF (GABORONE BONNINGTON funding, but total average availability as we speak in SOUTH): asked the Minister of Basic Education if he this particular school is 24.9 per cent. Tlhabologo is aware of shortage of textbooks, furniture, internet Primary School; again the same problem, here much connection and tablets in the three primary schools worse because it is 51.54 per cent. Boswa Primary and junior secondary schools respectively of Gaborone School; 50.9 per cent. Kgale Hill Junior Secondary Bonnington South Constituency; and if so, to state how School; 14.1 per cent, better than the ones that I said he will urgently remedy the situation. before. Marulamantsi; 26. 5 per cent. Gaborone West ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION Junior Secondary School; average availability 22.64 per (MS MAKWINJA): Thank you Mr Speaker. Thank cent. you Honourable Member. When you talk tablets, starting with Bophirima Primary Mr Speaker, I am aware of the shortages of text books, School, there are no tablets in Bophirima Primary furniture, internet connection in the three primary schools School. In Tlhabologo Primary School, there are 54 and junior secondary schools in Gaborone Bonnington tablets from Huawei and Ministry of Basic Education South Constituency. The average availability of primary (MOBE) partnership. They are functional at that school. level text books in the Gaborone Bonnington South Boswa Primary School; there are no tablets. Kgale Constituency schools is 42.4 per cent and for junior Hill Junior Secondary School; there are 50 tablets secondary text books average availability is 21 per cent. not functional due to unavailability of batteries in the The regional office has placed orders for primary level market. Marulamantsi Junior Secondary School; no text books and these are currently being delivered to tablets, and Gaborone West JSS no tablets. schools. All secondary schools are currently procuring Internet connectivity; I think this one is the same in textbooks for themselves. The provision of student tables terms of at Bophirima Primary School. School Heads and chairs is generally adequate with the introduction connected with Mascom Wi-fi, and Mascom has adopted of shifting, with the exception of Tlhabologo Primary the school. Botswana Fibre Network (BOFINET) School which needs additional student desks. connection is incomplete. Tlhabologo Primary School; Teachers’ furniture is generally old and in need of Zebra Wi-fi and Mascom Wi-fi. Boswa Primary School; replacement. All schools have internet connectivity, again Mascom Wi-fi, and the school has been adopted. although the footprint in the schools is limited and Kgale Hill Junior Secondary School is connected to needs to be extended across the whole of the schools’ strategic positions, computer lab and admin block only. academic areas. The Honourable Member, Mr Speaker, Marulamantsi; connection to admin block and computer will be provided with a table showing the status of lab. Gaborone West JSS admin block and computer lab. issues raised per school for appreciation. Thank you.

Mr Speaker, my ministry will continue to address these MR GREEFF: Further supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr shortages in conjunction with our sister Ministry of Speaker. Mr Speaker, ga ke batle go bua kgang e fa, but Local Government and Rural Development as and when ke batla go bolelela Tona gore kgang ya textbooks ka fa funds permit. We thank you. a e bayang ka teng, ga e na boammaaruri. Ga e ka ke

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ya re classrooms tse dingwe di sena le fa e le textbook Honourable Member, I will repeat gore in most of these e nngwefela, wena o bo o supa gore go na le textbooks. subjects as I said yesterday, there are more than one That is not true. Ke kopa gore gongwe o ye go sekaseka textbooks, and we buy as funds permit. Rre Moswaane kgang e kana o etele dikole tse o ye go lebelela seemo se with all due respect, please bear with us, meaning that ke buang ka sone. Ya bobedi… we do have constraints as far as funding is concerned, but we try. Every year schools are given money to buy MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member, you have no books and they prioritise which are more critical for the supplementary, you have disagreements. learning in the classroom. Thank you.

MR GREEFF: I am asking Mr Speaker. MR HIKUAMA: On a point of procedure Mr Speaker. MR SPEAKER: Ask the question then. Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke a itse Mr Speaker, e bile ke tlhaloganya gore Sekgoa ke nngwe ya dipuo tse di MR GREEFF: Yes. Ke botsa ka tablets tsa kwa Kgale letlelesegang, mme for the sake of the public who are Hill gore di na le dingwaga tse kae batteries tsa tsone di listening, ke ne ke kopa gore dipotso tse di botlhokwa tse sule le ntse fela without replacing them? di tshwanang le tse, Matona ba ka tlhalosa ka Setswana ka gore ba na le kitso ya go bua Setswana gore batho ba MS MAKWINJA: Thank you Honourable Member. As I said yesterday, you will find that in a lot of cases, in utlwe sentle gore ba reng. each subject, there might be more than one textbooks MR SPEAKER: There is no point of procedure there. that have been recommended for that particular class. Here we are talking about availability of books that are RETIRED SOLDIERS’ PAYMENTS in a particular class. To say that a class has no books, we are yet to confirm that Mr Speaker, and we will do MR P. P. P. MOATLHODI (TONOTA): asked the that. If indeed classes do not have books, then we have Minister of Defence, Justice and Security to confirm a major problem. whether the former Minister of Defence, Justice and Security when addressing retired soldiers at an Annual As far as the batteries’ issue is concerned for the tablets, General Meeting (AGM) in Mahalapye in 2003 promised I must say that most if not all of these tablets that have and assured them that all those who were owed shall be been distributed, are donated. A lot of this equipment paid in less than 120 days; and if so, to state: like photocopiers and things like that are donated, and we suffer the same fate in terms of now looking for (i) what is still the hold up; batteries that are not in the market, because they are probably exported from somewhere. I think that is the (ii) when precisely they will be paid; and problem. We will follow this issue up. Thank you. (iii) if there are any back pays.

MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary. Thank you. Tona, ke MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND go botse fela ka bonako ka kgang e e botlhokwatlhokwa SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Thank you Mr Speaker. e. Ke utlwa o ganelela mo availability ya 7 per cent. Mr Speaker, I am not aware of an Annual General What is happening about the 93 per cent ya dibuka tse Meeting of retired soldiers that took place in 2003 di seyong mo sekoleng, fa o bua o re 7 per cent mme in Mahalapye, where an assurance was made by the e bile e kete ke ipoko ya go supa gore le a kgona? A Minister of Defence, Justice and Security that all retired o raya gore mo nakong ya gompieno ka 2020 go na le members owed would be paid in less than 120 days. Puso e e ka ipokang ka availability ya dibuka tse 7 per Suffice to indicate that the Ministry of Defence, Justice cent? A fa o ne o tsena sekole performance ya gago o le and Security had not yet come into existence in 2003, kwa go 7 per cent, a o ka bidiwa motho yo o pasitseng as it was only established in 2010. I am however, aware motho wa Modimo? Kana performance e ya lona e supa that the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security was bokgoni jo bo kwa tlase. A ko o re tlhalosetse gore go invited to address the Botswana Defence Force Retired pala eng gore le fete 50 per cent le ye kwa go 80 per Members’ Association Annual General Meeting in th st cent? Mathata ke afe ka gore budget le e fiwa ngwaga le Palapye on the 20 May, 2017, in Mahalapye on the 21 th ngwaga? Thank you. July, 2018 and again in Mahalapye on the 8 June, 2019. No known undertakings or assurances were made by MS MAKWINJA: Thank you Honourable Moswaane. the Honourable Minister at any of these three meetings I must say I did not say 7 per cent. What I can tell the alluded to. However, several issues were discussed

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regarding the claims for various welfare and human bala o dira research. Ka bokhutshwanyane Tona, o bua resource related compensation claims. Members were gore lephata le o le tlhamileng mo ofising ya gago la informed of the establishment of the Veterans Affairs bo Veteran le lebeletse dikgang tse, mme e bile o bua Unit in the Ministry of Defence, Justice and Security. gore ba tlaa duelwa outstanding payments tsa masole. Tota mme outstanding payments tse di bakilwe ke eng I can assure the Honourable Member that the Veterans Honourable Minister, gore motho a bo a tlogele tiro Affairs Department has been established at the ministry. ka bogodi (retire)? Gompieno mo dikgaolong tsa rona It is responsible for among others coordinating the masole ba ba retired ba a re tshwenya gore tota go benefits and welfare of retired members, including bakilwe ke eng, le gore go duelwa ga bone go diiwa ke payments of outstanding claims with the Botswana eng Honourable Minister? Ke a go leboga sir. Defence Force. I thank you Mr Speaker. MR MMUSI: Tanki Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary. Thank you. Tona, Palamente, tanki Mopalamente. Rraetsho, kana re ke eng Puso e sa batle leano la go itlhatswa leina? Ke bua ne re santse re tlhama lephata mme jaaka ke buile, le jaana ka gore mo dingwageng tse tlhano tse di fetileng, tlhamilwe e bile le lebeletse dikgang tse, le a di kanoka. Honourable Shaw Kgathi o lole ntwa e a sa e fenyeng Ke dumela gore jaaka ba ntse ba tsena ba tlisa dikgang ka gore dingongorego di nna teng. A ga o bone go le tsa bone, le bone ba lebelela in the files, ke gone re ka botlhokwa gore le tlhophe an independent commission itseng gore tota mathata ke eng. Gompieno ga ke ka ke go tlhotlhomisa ka gore mo nakong ya gompieno le ka itse gore tota mathata a a neng a dira gore go nne a itlhotlhomisa le bo le ipha dikarabo mo boemong bothata ke eng. Re ne ra bona gore re dire lephata le le jwa gore re ka bo re utlwile la batho ba bangwe mo ka lebaganang le dikgang tse ka boammaaruri gore le ditlhotlhomisong? Ke a leboga Tona. tle le di rarabolole. O ka bo o nkakgola gore rraetsho, MR MMUSI: Honourable Member, ke na le tumelo ya o dirile lephata, a le tswelele. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa gore lephata le re le simolodisitseng la Veterans Affairs Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. le tlaa lebelela dikgang tse le bo le di rarabolola rraetsho. MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary. Tona, kante Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. mathata a go tlhotlhomisa ga an independent commission e ka nna eng? Kgang ya go nna a referee and a player MR MOTSAMAI: Supplementary. Tona, a o raya gore mo motshamekong o o nang le interest mo go one, o Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Tonota, Rre Moatlhodi o bona e ka direla these veterans mosola jang? Ke bua ka iphetlha fela a tla kwa Palamenteng a tla go botsa jaana Tona ka gore ga o ka ke wa nna rradiphoso, o bo potso e e ntseng jaana ya meeting o o neng wa tsena ka o nna moipaakanyi, o bo o nna moipoki le yo o laolang 2003, gore bagolo ba ba tlogetseng tiro ba tlaa duelwa sengwe le sengwe o ipoka gore o tlhamile lephata la leng a sa kopana le bagolo bone e bile le bagolo ba teng bangwe ba o itseng gore o ya go ba tlhopha ka tsamaiso ba seyo gotlhelele? e e sa lolamang ka gore o batla go ipabalela. Ke raya Ya bobedi, go diega ga gore fa o bona potso e e ntseng jalo ka gore o batla go nna a player and a referee mo jaana, o bue le Mopalamente kwa bothokong gore kana motshamekong o o itseng gore ga o batle to lose ntwa kgang e o e buang ga e diragale, a ga o bone fa o ne o mo ya teng. Thank you. laletse gore o tle to embarrass him ka information e o e MR MMUSI: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa tshotseng e o balololang dingwaga tsa teng? A ga o bone Palamente, tanki Mopalamente. Nnyaa rraetsho, ke tlaa fa o ka bo o bolokile (saved) nako ya Palamente? Tanki. lebelela kgang ya gago, ga ke e gane. Ke tlaa e tsenya MR MMUSI: Rraetsho, e rile fa ke tsena fa ka re ke leitlho le le ntšhotšho ke ntse ke lebeletse le gore lephata batla Mopalamente ke re ke mo babisa ditsebe gore le bereka jang. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa gongwe we should later date it. Jaaka o bona, ke wena Palamente. o mo emetseng, ke ne ke sa itse gore o emetswe ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. mang. E ntse fela jalo rraetsho. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary.

MR RAMOGAPI: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Supplementary. Speaker. Tona, ke a go leboga fela thata rraetsho, o Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. mongwe wa batho ba ba arabang o thoname, gantsi o Honourable Minister, ka re utlwa o re o setse o na le

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Lephata la Veterans Affairs, masole ba ba setseng ba e ne e le a pandemic le virus e e neng e bolaya batho, ke tlogetse tiro ka bogodi ba ka solofela gore fa lephata le selo se gongwe go neng go ka re thusa gore fa re gatela setse le function, ba ka ema lebaka le le kae gore dikgang kwa pele ka dikgwetlho tse re neng re na le tsone, re ka tsa bone di bo di setse di rarabolotswe? Ke a leboga. dira jang. Jaanong a re lekeng go iteka re le Puso ka tse di tlaa kgonang go thusa Batswana go akanyetsa kwa MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Speaker, ke a leboga pele, le lona le le Puso le kgone go akanyetsa Batswana Honourable Member. Mo nakong ya gompieno rraetsho ka tsa botsogo le thuto. ke tshaba go go raya ke re mo nakong e e kana. Ke na le tumelo ya gore mo ngwageng wa madi wa 2021, ke Go ntse go buiwa ka tsa thuto gompieno. Information tlaa kgona go tlhalosa sengwe le sengwe ke supa ka e e ntshiwang fa o a bona fela gore ga go na readily gore kana go duela motho go raya gore re ye go kopa le available data e o ka kgonang go itse gore dikole tsele madi kwa Ministry wa Madi. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa mo Gaborone di filwe eng le eng, ga di na eng gore fa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. o le motho yo o ka thusang, o itse gore o ka kgona go thusa jang. A re tlhoafaleleng gore go nne le data e e ka HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. kgonang go thusa lefatshe le go tswelela kwa pele.

RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT’S Banana; banana ba batla thuto, ditiro le opportunities SPEECH tsa go bona gore ba ka itshetsa jang. Ba lebile mo go Motion lona le le Puso, ba botsa dipotso gore tota thuto ga e ba nonotshe e bile ga e ba fe kgatelopele. Banana ba (Resumed Debate) botsa gore ditiro di kae ka ba tswa ngwaga le ngwaga mo dikoleng ba rutegile mme go sena kwa ba ka bonang MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, ditiro teng. when we adjourned for lunch, Honourable Lesaso was on the floor and he was left with five minutes 35 seconds. Moeteledipele wa Opposition o letse a bua gore a re sekasekeng gore bagodi ba ba setseng ba fetile 50, MR KEKGONEGILE: Procedure. Mr Speaker, we gongwe ba kopiwe kana ba thusiwe to retire, ba kgone have two Notice Papers in front of us tse di buang ka go bulela banana ba ba kwa tlase. Go ne go buiwa mo Motions tsa kamoso tse di farologaneng. Ya di 10 ya dingwageng tse pedi tse di fetileng gore banana ba ba re Motion wa ntlha ke wa ga Honourable Saleshando tswang mo universities, close to 100 000 or more ga fa ya di 11 e re Motion wa ntlha ke wa ga Honourable ba na ditiro gompieno. Ga re ka ke ra kgona go nna re Monnakgotla. Ga re itse gore re ipaakanyetse efe fa go ntse re ruta bana ba e leng gore ga ba na opportunities ntse jalo, le gone gore di fetoga (change) ka tsela e e mme kwa godimo go tswalegile. Ba ba kwa godimo ba ntseng jang. ba setseng ba godile ba ka kgona go fiwa opportunities gore ba sutele banana. E bile gape ba tla ka metlhale e MR SPEAKER: Honourable Lesaso, you have the meša, botlhale jo bo ša le thuto e ntšha e gongwe e ka floor sir! kgonang gore e tokafatse lefatshe la rona ka gore fa re ntse re gola, gongwe dingwe di a re latlhegela. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)... Fa ke setse ke wetsa Mr Speaker, a ko re leke go bona MR LESASO (SHOSHONG): Thank you Mr Speaker. gore we develop services in the districts gore di nne le Ke setse ka nako e khutshwane mme ke ne ke re ke boikarabelo jwa go bona gore di ka itseela ditshwetso, garele fela ke re, lefatshe la rona le tlhaela data kana di ka kgona go itirela le go itsamaisa ka go bona gore di information e e ka re thusang in decision making le go tlhoka eng, ga di tlhoke eng, ditirelo tse di ka di dirang bona gore re ka itebaganya le mathata le dikgwetlho ke eng gore Goromente yo motona a kgone go di thusa tse re nang le tsone jang. Ke tshwanetse go rotloetsa fela. A tsone di nne le dithata tsa go itsamaisetsa dikole, ba gaetsho ka kwa gore tota go tlhwaafalelwe go dipatela, metsi le go batlela dikgaolo tsa tsone ditiro. A phutha information le tse di re amang mo lefatsheng la re lekeng go bona gore we devolve this thing gore e se Botswana gore re kgone to plan, go dira dilo sentle. ka ya nna e re Goromente yo motona, Rre Molale a ntse Gompieno re ne ra welwa ke seru sa COVID-19. Fa o ne kwano mo Gaborone, e bo e le ene a laolang lefatshe o ka lebelela gore re ne ra tswa mo serung sa HIV/AIDS, le lotlhe ka gore ga a ka ke a kgona go dira jalo mme se e leng gore gongwe re santse re dirisa data eo ka gore o tlaa se ke a fiwe information e e lekaneng. Fa e le

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gore district e foo e eteletswe ke motho yo o nang le ya Council of Southern Africa Football Associations boikarabelo, go ka thusa gore re gatele kwa pele. (COSAFA) Women Championships.

La bofelo; ke ne ke kopa gape le le bagaetsho ka koo HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… ba Puso e e busang, a re nneng le mowa wa neelano. Ga e ka ke ya re re le kana e bile re thuntse le ditedu, MR RAKGARE: Re sa tswa go fetsa fela jaana kwa e bo gompieno fa a ema a bua, go bo go sena sepe se o Port Elizabeth, re iteile setlhopha sa Zambia 2-1. Go raya ka se utlwang, wa se tsenya mo tlhaloganyong gongwe gore bomme ba rona ba dirile ditso, e tlaa re ka Saturday wa se dirisa. Lebelela banna ba ba fa pele le ba ba fa ba bo ba thulana le Malawi go tshameka makgaolakgang. morago ba, ba le rutile kwa universities, ba bangwe ba Ke kopa re boe gape re ba rotloetse, re ba fe legofi le le le gakolotse golo gongwe. Gompieno le fa ba emelela ba tona gore ba ya kwa makgaolakgannyeng mme e bile ba re ba a bua, le reeditse fela, go tswa fa le a fetisa, ga go ya go fenya. na sepe se le se tsayang e le kgakololo mo go bone. Ke HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… kopa gore go nne le mowa wa neelano, wa go tlhabolola lefatshe le. Maikaelelo ga se go supa gore re botlhale go MR RAKGARE: Ke leboga thata batlotlegi mme le feta kana le botlhale go re feta, ke gore lefatshe le le gape maitseboa a gompieno ka gore metshameko e tlhabologe ka rona, re thusanyeng go le tlhabolola. Ga matsorotsoro, setlhopha sa rona sa setšhaba sa The o ka ke wa nna le dikitsokitso o le nosi, re tshwanetse Zebras, ba tshameka le Zambia, kwa Zambia. Ke gore re pataganele go tlhabolola lefatshe le mmogo, re dumela gore le bone fela jalo, re tlaabo re ntse re ba dirisanye re le mo Palamenteng e. Le fentse, le eteletse rotloetsa, re ba eme nokeng gore ba kgone go fenya gore pele lefatshe le, ga go na sepe se se tlaa tlholang se tsewa ka Monday re tle go feleletsa se re se simolotseng e le mo go lona go fitlhelela five years a wela, but listen to gone mo Botswana. the advice from this side. Appreciate the fact that le rona Sa bofelo Mr Speaker, mo kgannyeng yone e, e ne ya re re rutilwe mo lefatsheng le go le tlhabolola. Ga e ka ke maphakeleng a gompieno, lephata la rona la solofetsa ya re gompieno jaana re gakolola, re bua dilo tse gore di bomme ba gore fa ba fenya, Puso e ya go sitlhamolola re ise kwa pele, sengwe le sengwe ke se le se ganang. Ke madi a a kanang ka P250 000 go ba leboga. Ke tseela lona ba kganetso jaanong ka koo. Ga re itse gore re tlaa gore moo e ne e le one maiteko a go ba rotloetsa gore dira jang gore lefatshe le le tswelele. ba dire botoka.

Lefatshe le le le busitse for 50 years, tsayang kgakololo HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… ka fa go rona, le tle le tsweledise go ya kwa pele. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)…

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, MR RAKGARE: Mr Speaker, re fano mo motshegareng SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR wa gompieno go tla go… RAKGARE): Thank you very much Mr Speaker. Ke MR BOKO: On a point of clarification. Thank you Mr lebogele sebaka se fela thata. Speaker. Mr Speaker, ke mongwe wa batho ba ba sa Mr Speaker, Palamente e re tsene mo go yone re rateng boitimokanyi. Tona Rakgare o tlaa gakologelwa; farologanye ka diphathi tsa sepolotiki mme re fentse mafoko a a neng a a dirisa ka gore ke ne ke mo sala ditlhopho re le bantsi thata ka kwano. Re na le bagarona morago a santse a bereka on radio, a gore re le Batswana ba UDC, go na le Botswana Patriotic Front (BPF), go re tshwanetse re ikapole mowa wa gore e re pitsa e nne le a le mongwefela wa Alliance for Progressive budule, ke gone re bo re simolola go ka bua ka go ka (AP). Re farologanngwa ke dilo tse dintsi Mr Speaker, atswa batho. Jaanong gompieno ke utlwa a fetogile, a mme se ke se itseng ke gore go tswa goo-lowe, e re le galaletsa gore mo letsatsing la gompieno ke gone go ntswa re farologanye ka mebala ya sepolotiki, fa go na le buiwang gore gatwe ba tlaa atswiwa ka madi a a neng sengwe sa dilo tse di re kopanyang, ke metshameko. Ke a ntse a a bua mme o tswa kgakala a le kgatlhanong le thaya puo ya me ka go kopa Batlotlegi Mapalamente ba mogopolo one o. Tona, ke go kopa gore o boele yone mpate re galaletse bomme ba rona, ba sa tswa go fenya kgalaletso e o ntseng o e galaletsa kwa morago ka gore kwa South Africa kwa re tseneletseng metshameko ga go a siama gore re le lefatshe, re solofetse batho

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dintle fa re setse re bona gore o kare go ya golo gongwe. wa gompieno, ke supe gape gore re mo dipuisanyong Re ka bo re sale re simolotse, ra solofetsa bomme ba fa le ba Ministry wa Finance and Economic Development, go simolola kwa tshimologong gore fa le ka tsena mo ka gore tota go lebega go ya go nna dingalo gape go legatong le le ntseng jaana, re tlaa le atswa ka tsela e e bulela. Ka dikgakololo tsa ba botsogo ke gore, ga se ntseng jaana. Ke itse gore o tlaa nkaraba ka bonokopila mo re ka bulelang mo nakong ya gompieno fa re lebile le ka botlhale ka fa ke go itseng ka teng. Ke a leboga. ka fa mogare o golang letsatsi le letsatsi ka teng mo lefatsheng la rona. Gone a re ka se ke re ikanape re bone MR RAKGARE: Ke tseela gore fa ga re mo se re ka thusang bana bagarona ka sone. Ke dumela gore seromamoweng, re mo Palamenteng jaanong. Tse mo bogaufing, gongwe re tlaabo re tshotse karabo e e o neng o di bua ke tsa radio mme se se leng teng ke botoka, e e tlaa ba kgotsofatsang. Le ntswa re itse gore gore re tlile go tswelela re rotloetsa bana ba rona. ba bangwe mo teng through their shows, ba ne ba dira Ke motivation, gore re solofetsa leng, ga se kgang. madi fela a a seng kana ka sepe, mo re tlaabong re go Kgang ke gore bomme ba rona ba dirile bontle, ba ile ba neela e tlaabo e le lemmenyana fela le e seng la sepe, makgaolakgannyeng, re tshwanetse re ba akgole. Fa go mme go tlaabo go sa tshwane. na le se Puso e ka se dirang go ba tiisa moko, re se dire gore ba tswelele. E bile gape re ya go nna fa fatshe re Mr Speaker, re fa go… bona gore mme gone re ka dira eng jaaka re tsena mo makgaolakgannyeng ka Saturday. MR SALESHANDO: Clarification. Ke ne ke re pele fa o digela mo go yone ya ka fa ba ntseng ba thusiwa Bagaetsho, re fano mo motshegareng wa gompieno fela ka teng, dingongorego di santse di le dintsi, go na le ba jaaka re simolotse morago ga gore Tautona a re beye ba sa kgonang go bona dithuso, mme ba dumela gore pele puo le tekodiso ya gagwe ya gore ene o lebile they qualify. Le dira eng gore ba mofuta oo ba kgone go lefatshe ka tsela e e ntseng jang, re lebile dikgwedi tse reediwa, dikgang tsa bone di tswalwe ka bonako? di lesome le bobedi tse di fetileng. Re kopana jaana le puo ya ga Tautona e le gore re tlhasetswe ke mogare MR RAKGARE: Ke a leboga Honourable Leader of wa COVID-19, o rotlhe re amogelang gore o emisitse the Opposition. Ke boammaaruri go na le bangwe ba ba ditiro tsa rona, o amile matshelo a rona ka ditsela tse di neng ba ipelaetsa. Kana bangwe ba bone are those who farologanyeng. Go re ama gone mo ga go a nna sentle, did not meet the requirements tse di neng di beilwe. Re most of the sectors di amegile mme batho jaanong ga ba rotloetsa popagano mo lefatsheng la rona. Re rotloetsa sa tlhole ba bona se ba neng ba ntse ba se bona before gore sectors tsa rona tsotlhe go nne le tlotlano. Fa e COVID-19 pandemic. le gore go na le lekgotla, jaaka go na le organisation ya Copyright Society of Botswana (COSBOTS), e re Kwa Lephateng la rona la Banana, Metshameko le itseng gore bontsi jwa bone ba ikwadisa koo, ke maloko, Ngwao, re amegile gongwe e bile go gaisa mongwe le ba bangwe ba itlhophela gore ba se ka ba ikwadisa le mongwe. Ke ne ka supa nako e e fetileng gore fa go na COSBOTS, go nna le mathata a gore e re fa re thusa, le batho ba ba amegileng thata, ke badiragatsi, kana e ne re bo re itse gore jaanong re thusa mang, a le kae, ya nna bone ba ntlha go tswala, jaaka re itse gore malatsi jang? Jaanong re dumela gore go tla tsamaya sentle ka a ga re ka ke ra tshwara festivals. Ga re ka ke ra kgona gore e ne ya re morago ga gore re ntshe relief, ra bona gore re tshware di gig, ga re kgone go dira sepe. Bana ba bontsi jwa artists mo lefatsheng la Botswana joining Modimo ba mo mathateng a a seng kana ka sepe ka gore COSBOTS, ka gore go botlhokwa gore go nne jalo, re ga gona eng, ga gona eng. Malwapa a bone a thubega. nne organised. Kana Honourable Saleshando, re ne ra Jaanong go raya gore re le Puso, re bone gore re ka dira bua…e bile ke boe gape ke le leboge le le Mapalamente, ka tsela e e ntseng jang. re ne ra bua ka Arts Council e e fetileng mo nakong e e fa moragonyana. E re dumelang gore arts tsa rona di ya E ne ya re malobeng jalo fa segajaja se sena go tlhagoga, go nna even more organised ka yone Arts Council eo. e le sengwe sa tse re neng re bona di tshwanetse gore re We are hoping gore jaaka gongwe re santse re buisana di dire go leka go thusa bone bagarona ba bodiragatsi, le Honourable Matsheka, fa re kgonne a re letleletse, we offered Relief Fund. E mo go yone, mo godimo ga re tlaa kgona gore re lebelele botlhe ba ba amegileng, e se Honourable Matsheka through Botswana Unified bile gape ba maleba gore ba ka bona relief eo. Revenue Service (BURS) ba se dira, ra kopa kwa go bone, ra fiwa tetla eo, ra ba neela mo re neng ra go ba Ke ne ke bua fa ka yone Arts Council. Mr Speaker, fa neela, e le badiragatsi ba rona. Ke fa mo motshegareng o ya kwa SONA sa ngwaga o o fetileng that Motlotlegi

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Tautona delivered ka di 18 November, o ya kwa page 39 2019 November le gompieno, tse re dumelang gore paragraph 185. Ke kopa go nopola. re tlile go tlhabolola metshameko mo lefatsheng la Botswana ka tsone. Sekai; re na le thulaganyo e re e MR SPEAKER: Please do! tshwaraganetseng le ba Ministry of Basic Education MR RAKGARE: Thank you very much. Tautona o ya go bona gore mme gone metshameko re ya go e ne a re, “in recognition of the talent of our people and tlhabolola jang kwa dikoleng. Re ne ra nna le komiti the potential of the cultural and creative industries to e re neng re e tshwaraganetse e re neng ra e tlhoma, create jobs, my Government has initiated processes e e eteletsweng pele ke mme fela yo o nonofileng o to improve legislation and policy frameworks for the bidiwa Tapiwa Marobela - Masunga, yo o kileng a bo e sector. These include the review of the Cinematography le sekgantshwane sa tennis mo lefatsheng la Botswana, Act, the development of the National Arts Council Act a tshamekela national team. O eteletse komiti e pele, and the accession to the United Nations Educational, mme they are doing very well. Re dumela gore ka Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO) 2005 tsone tse ba tlaabong ba re di beile pele re le maphata a Convention on the Promotion of the Diversity of mabedi, re tlaa kgona gore metshameko kwa dikoleng Cultural Expressions. Ke ditsholofetso tse a neng a di mo lefatsheng la Botswana re e fetole, re kgone go bona dira. maduo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Close quote. Se sengwe Mr Speaker, re setse re kile ra supa mo makgethong kana mo nakong e e fetileng gore go thona MR RAKGARE: Close quote. Ke ditsholofetso tse a gore mo nakong ya gompieno with the infrastructure neng a di dira mo ngwageng o o fetileng, tse re sa di e re nang le yone ya metshameko, with the talent we have mo garona and the success ya 2012 ya the Zebras, bueng Mr Speaker. Tse re sa di bueweng gompieno, e bo e le gore lefatshe la Botswana ga e ise ka letsatsi mme di diragetse, we now have the Arts Council in lepe re batle go tshegetsa metshameko ya Africa Cup place. Se re se dirang mo nakong ya gompieno as the of Nations. Ke se re se ipeileng pele. Ke dingwe tsa tse ministry ke gore jaanong go nne le board le secretariat, e leng gore jaaka Tautona a ne a fa pego ya gagwe, o Arts Council e simolole go bereka. E ne e le tsholofetso ne a bua a di lebetse pele gore ke maikaelelo a rona. ya ga Motlotlegi Tautona, e a e dirileng mo ngwageng Maikaelelo a rona ke gore 2027 re bo re tshegeditse o o fetileng. Re utlwa bagarona ba re, nnyaa, Tautona metshameko e mo lefatsheng le, gore Batswana ba o solofetsa fela ga nke a dira. Ba tlhopha tse ba itseng itumele ba bona setlhopha sa bone se tshameka, mme se sentle gore di simolotswe mme ga di ise di wele, ka gore tshameka mo gae. Re dumela gore ka gone moo, re tla ga bone ke gore ba bue sepolotiki ba batle ditlhopho kgona re le lefatshe gore re bone bana ba rona ba nna le mo Batswaneng. Re batla go tlhamalatsa dikgang gore yone exposure eo, e e tlhokafalang, ba tsewe ke ditlhopha se Puso e se ipeileng pele gore e ya go se dira jaaka tse dingwe tsa kwa ntle, e bile gape metshameko mo e dirile ditsholofetso, a ke ngwaga o o fetileng, a ke lefatsheng la Botswana e gole. SONA ya 2018, a ke ya gompieno e re buang ka yone, ditsholofetso tseo di tlile go diragadiwa ka gore ke At page 13 paragraph 33, Tautona o bua ka economic maitlamo a re a dirang re le Puso. A re dumelang gore inclusion and empowerment. Re na le di le mmalwa re tlile go felela re kgona dilo tse, ka gore maikaelelo Mr Speaker kwa lephateng la rona, tse re dumelang a rona ke go fetola matshelo a Batswana. Jaanong Arts gore ka tsone re tlile go tswelela re thusa. Re lebile Council ke eo e teng. Ke eng ba ne ba sa bue ka yone thata dikgang tsa letlhoko la ditiro. Ke ka go bolelela gore, nnyaa, mme e re ntswa Tautona a ne a solofetsa mo letsatsing la gompieno Mr Speaker, ke sa oshaoshe tse dingwe di sa diragale, jaaka ba ne ba bua gore o gore lenaneo le re nang le lone kwa lephateng la rona solofetsa fela mme ga a nke a dira, ke eng ba sa bue gore la Youth Development Fund (YDF), go na le bana ba tse dingwe ke tse di diragetse? Kana mme ga ba ka ke ba le bantsi ba garona ba le ba thusitseng. Ba kgonne go bua ka gore kgang ya rona ke sepolotiki, gore Batswana fetola matshelo a bone le a bana ba bangwe ba lefatshe ba tlhoboge Puso e. la Botswana. Tautona o ka tswa a sa ama… kana SONA ga e Fa e sale jaaka re neelwa boikarabelo jo re bo tshwereng, ama dintlha tsa metshameko di le mmalwa, tse ke re ntse re tsamaya mo lefatsheng mo gongwe e le go dumelang gore di teng. Di mmalwa tse di diragalang, lekola gore dikgwebo tsa banana di tsamaya ka tsela e le tse di simologileng mo ngwageng o, kana between e ntseng jang. Ke ka go bolelela Mr Speaker, gore this

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past weekend, re ne re le kwa Kasane. Gone koo, re ne Kgang e ya empowerment Mr Speaker, gongwe ke re le kwa dikagong tsa mongwe wa banana. Monana dumalane le sebui sengwe sa maabane se se neng yo o bidiwa Lucky, mme o na le kgaitsadie. E ne ya se tlhalosa gore go ka nna botlhokwa gore go tle go re dingwaga tse tharo tse di fetileng, ba ikatumetsa sekasekiwe gore a mme re ka se ka ra sosoetsa bangwe ministry ba kopa dithuso tsa lenaneo la YDF gore ba kana bagolo gore ba ba setseng ba le mo seemong sa dire mo gotweng ke gone campsite. Ba ne ba simolola gore ba ka tlogela ditiro and pave way for banana gore ka campsite. Tumelo ya bone e ne e le gore e tlaa re fa ba kgone gore ba hirwe mo go Goromente, go diragale ba ntse ba tsweletse, ba nne le a lodge e e feletseng, e jalo. Ke itse gore go na le mo gotweng early retirement ba tlaabong ba kgona go nna le bajanala. Se se monate package e e leng teng, e le sengwe sa tse re nang le tsone ke gore within three years, Lucky and his sister, ba tsamaisa lodge e e nang le 24 rooms. They are making re le Puso. Re re kana gone moo, gongwe re leke re le money. They have employed more than 10 young people Puso gore re go dire even more attractive gore batho at their lodge. This is what we are talking about fa re ba kgone go tlogela ditiro ba sutele banana. Re bone bua ka go fetola matshelo a batho, a banana. banana ba hirwa ka dipalo tse di kwa godimo. Mo go tlaa re thusa go fokotsa dipalo tse dintsintsi tsa letlhoko Ga se Lucky fela. This morning I was in Jwaneng kwa la ditiro le re le bonang mo lefatsheng la Botswana and re neng re simolodisa letsholo la rona la go rotloetsa banana ba ba tsereng YDF gore ba duele loans tsa also absorb bana ba rona ba Internship. Mr Speaker, go bone. Gone koo, go ne go na le monana yo a neng a ngomola pelo gore ngwana a bo a tla mo mmerekong a a fa testimony; o bidiwa Leburu. Bakang Leburu o ne itse gore ke na le dingwaga fela di le pedi gone fa ke le a tlhalosa gore o tshwaraganetse kgwebo ya gagwe mo Internship mme a sa itse gore morago ga two years le Reuben Nshakashokwe, ba rekisa dijo tsa leruo le o ya kwa kae. fertilizers. Ba simolotse kgwebo ya bone ka YDF. Re bua jaana ba hirile babereki ba le 21; banana. Ba na le A re nne re leke re le Puso gore re bone gore bana ba re five branches. Kgwebo ya bone e aname. Ba re ga ba foo ka ba thusa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Re ka dira eng gore fela, they are diversifying, ba tsena mo transport and re ba absorb mo maphateng a rona a Puso, le bone ba logistics. This is what we are talking about fa re bua ka kgone gore ba tshele, ba nne le seriti fela jaaka re itse empowerment. Ke sone se re buang ka sone mo SONA. gore mongwe le mongwe yo o berekang fa a bereka tiro Dikgang tse Mr Speaker, re tshwanelwa ke gore re le e e rileng go na le letseno, o nna le serite mme e bile Batlotlegi Mapalamente, re bonale re rotloetsa banana gape o a tlotlega. Re batla go bona bana ba rona ba tshela ba rona gore mananeo a a Puso a teng, re se ka ra ba matshelo a a botoka. Ke na le tsholofelo ya gore ka tse kgoba marapo re a kgala, ra re nnyaa mo ga go bereke. di ntseng di diragala, le commitment ya boeteledipele jwa lefatshe, seo se tlaa felela se diragala. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Ke batla go tsena mo kgannyeng ya lefatshe Mr MR RAKGARE: Nnyaa, iketle pele Honourable Speaker. Ke kgang e e botlhoko thata. Fa re gola kwa Member. O batla go nkgoreletsa. Mma ke tswelele fela, Mogoditshane Mr Speaker, ke gakologelwa sentle ka o tlaa nna le nako ya gago. 1993 le fa e ne e santse motho e le gone a fatlhogang, go ne ga tlhongwa Mogoditshane Sub-Land Board. HONOURABLE MEMBER: One second. Fa o ya ka kwa ke goletseng teng ka kwa garona kwa MR RAKGARE: Nnyaa rra, ga go na one second. Ga Nkoyaphiri, dijarata koo di ne di le palo potlana, mme go na motho yo o kileng a bua in one second. Ga ke ise ke lefatshe le le tona. Kgaolo ya rona ya Nkoyaphiri e ke bone go diragala. rwele batho ba se kana ka sepe; close to 20 000. Ka 1993 e ne e le palo fela e e tsenang mo seatleng. Gompieno Mr Mr Speaker, a re supeng boikarabelo re le Mapalamente. Speaker, re santse re le motse o e leng gore kwa go one Dikgang tse re di bue, re rotloetse banana ba rona gore fa o batla go bona sub-land board e batho ba sa beweng, matshelo a bone a fetoge. Fa Puso e otlolotse letsogo Mogoditshane Sub-Land Board is number 1. Dingwaga jaaka e dira jaana, a re se ka ra kgoba banana marapo ra tse tlhano tse di fetileng re ne re bua ka waiting list ya bua gore, “nnyaa, kana koo ga le ka ke la thusega, Puso 140 000. Ga re ise re sute, re santse re ntse re le gone ya Domkrag e rile.” A re rotloetseng banana ba tseye foo. We still have batho ba kopileng (applied) lefatshe mananeo a Puso, ba kgone go itlhabolola, ba tlhabolole ka 1993, Mogoditshane Sub-Land Board e simolola. matshelo a bone. Nakokgolo ke eno, ga ba ise ba fiwe ditsha.

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Mr Speaker, solution ke e, e re tshwanetseng re e ke monnamogolo kana mosadimogolo. Ga go na le fa e tshwaraganele, re bue le Honourable Mzwinila gore a le ditsha. Jaanong golo mo… tseye kgang e mohago gore a boele mo Palamenteng, re fetole molao wa gore re tshwanetse go neela Batswana MR MOTAOSANE: On a point of elucidation. Thank lefatshe le tlhabolotswe (serviced). Ga go re thuse you Mr Speaker and Honourable Minister. Honourable Honourable Members. Mr Speaker, re tswa kgakala re Minister, mo kgannyeng ya lefatshe le lebaka le e le ntse maikaelelo a Puso e le gore re service lefatshe re bo tsayang, are you aware gore kana e bile lefatshe kwa re baya batho. Go a pala ka ntata ya gore ditsompelo ga Mogoditshane le a fela? Bangwe fa go tsweletswe di yo, ditiro tsa Puso di dintsi. Madi ga a yo a a lekaneng Goromente a tlhoka lefatshe, bone ba a le tsaya, jaanong go kgona to service lefatshe re bo re baya batho. A re ga go na le Goromente a tlaa a tlholang a le bona. So molao o o buang ka one o, ke go tlatsa gore tota go tseye tshwetso re le Palamente gore re sutlha kgang botlhokwa gore re name re seegile kgang e ka gore e ya to service lefatshe. Tota e bile kana Batswana ba jaanong batho ba feta ba tsaya lefatshe, ba le itseela ba setse ba ntse ba dira jalo. Batswana ba teng bagarona sa le neelwe ke Goromente. Thank you sir. gongwe le gongwe. Le gone kwa bo Ledumadumane kwa Mogoditshane, ba teng ba e leng gore fa ba leng MR RAKGARE: Ke a leboga Mokgatla wa ga teng, ga go na metsi. Motlakase o ne o ntse o seyo, ke Mmanaana. Ke boammaaruri, mme fa re ka tswelela re gone o ba fitlhelang mo nakong ya gompieno. Ga go ntse re re a re tlogele lefatshe le ntse ka fa le ntseng ka na ditsela, sewerage le fa e le sepe mme batho ba ba teng, re emele gore re tlaa bona madi re bo re tsenya ditlamelo, e bo e le gone re ka bayang batho, re tlile itumelela gore ba tsoga mo… go felela re fetoga go nna lefatshe la batho ba ba sa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. laolesegeng. Batswana bone ba tlaa senka diphatlha fa ba ka ipayang teng, golo mo ga go a siama, ka gore MR RAKGARE: Ke raya gone jalo Mr Speaker, gore jaanong re ya go ba sala morago re batla go ba thubela, ke dumela gore re tshwanetse re fetole policy... re batla go ba kganela gore ba… e le gore Batswana ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker… itseetse molao mo diatleng, ka gore gongwe le gongwe fa ba tsamayang teng ba bona lefatshe le le seng kana MR SPEAKER: Listen first. I do not want any ka sepe. Re lefatshe le le tona, ga se mo nakong ya interruptions which are irrelevant. Tell us what is wrong gompieno batho ba rona ba ka bo ba sokola ka tsela e with the procedure, we are following. e ntseng jaana. Ke na le tshepo le tumelo ya gore the Honourable Minister, o tlaa thusa, kgang e o tlaa tla, re MR RAMOGAPI: Procedure Honourable Mr Speaker, tlaa mo ema nokeng, ka gore Batswana ba fiwe lefatshe, ke gore Honourable Rakgare ke ene a busang, ke ene waiting list re kgone go e ntsha mo tseleng, Batswana ba Goromente, jaanong gompieno rona… rona ba kgone gore ba itumele. MR SPEAKER: You see. Please take your seat. Gape re tlaabo re tlhama mebereko, ba ba tshwantshang MR RAKGARE: Thank you very much Mr Speaker. plans, architects, plumbers, ba ba dirang ditena, ba Ke ne ke ithaya ke re o emelelela gore a tle a ikope ba agang, ba ba dirang metlakase, ba ba pentang, maitshwarelo gore o batla go tlhakatlhakanya lefatshe carpenters, bana ba rona ba ba dirileng dithuto tsa la rona. O kwadile dilo mo Facebook a re bone e le interior design kwa Limkokwing, ba tlaa kgona gore ba ba kganetso ba ikopa maitshwarelo mo go ba lefatshe bone ditiro, ka gore Motswana fa o mo neela lefatshe lengwe le gotweng batho ba tlhokafetse gone koo. O ka o lebelela gore, ke batla go aga ke tle ke tsoge kwa ga bo a emelela gore a kope maitshwarelo ka dikgang tse me. Kgang e Mr Speaker, ke e tota ke e buang e tswa a di buileng. mo botennye jwa pelo e le botlhoko, ka gore go tlhoka lefatshe go se na kwa o tsogang teng, kana o tsoga mo Mr Speaker, a se ka a nketsha mo tseleng, kgang ya me ntlong ya motho yo mongwe, ga se golo mo go jesang ke ya lefatshe, ya gore kana le neela motho serite. Go monate. botlhoko gore e bo re santse re na le batho jaaka go ne go tlhalosiwa maabane gore go na le batho ba garona Kwa ga rona kwa Mogoditshane Mr Speaker, tota go ba ba santseng bangwe ba na le bo 27 years motho a tlaa re motho gongwe nako nngwe a bone nako, ya gore emetse setsha. A ikopetse setsha e le lekgarebe kana re bue fela ka dikgang tsa rona tse di re amang, jaaka lekau, mo nakong ya gompieno jaana e le gore o godile, dikgang tsa botsogo. Tota go botlhoko gore, gompieno

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re bo re na le motse o o tshotseng batho ba feta 57,000, MR RAKGARE: Headline e ne e le gore, “Saleshando mme re santse re na le dikotoise tse pedi tsa clinics, criticises Mogae for treating Khama with kid gloves.” clinic ya Mogoditshane, clinic ya Nkoyaphiri go go “Contributing to the ongoing presidential State of the nnyennyane. 57,000 ene o wa batho, is being serviced Nation Address, Gaborone Central MP, Dumelang Sale- by clinics tse pedi tse. Go tswa foo gape, go na le ba shando, ‘congratulated’ President Mogae for a hectic tenure in office, cushioning Khama from all sorts of mis- Kopong, Lentsweletau, Kumakwane le Gabane ba ba appropriations. tlang foo ba tla go kopa ditlamelo, ga re na le fa e le se re nang le sone. Honourable Dikoloti ke monana yo o “From his initial years, President Mogae committed itlolang, o solofeditse gore e tlaa re mo bogaufing a ye monumental blunders. Despite such blunders, he never go bona seemo se, a tle a bone gore o ka dira ka tsela e lost confidence and continued with vigour to throw this e ntseng jang. country into disarray.” Ke Rre Saleshando, a kgala Rre Mogae le tsamaiso ya gagwe. Ka 2012 o ne a kwala mo Dikgang di ntse jalo Mr Speaker, re na le diemo tse re The Mail and Guardian. di buileng le Matona ka go farologana tsa kwa kgaolong ya rona. Ke batla gore ka nako ke e e a ntshiya, ke fete MR MOSWAANE: On a point of order. Mr Speaker, I ka dintlha dingwe tse go builweng ka tsone. Di buiwa think the Honourable Minister is out of order, because fa gongwe ke Motlotlegi Moeteledipele wa Diphathi tsa he is quoting Sunday Standard, a re ke mafoko a ga Rre Kganetso, ka gore go botlhokwa gore e re fa re lebile Saleshando. Re ya go a tsaya fa kae gore ke mafoko SONA jaana, re se ka ra di tlogela fela di feta re sa di a ga Rre Saleshando, because he is quoting from a baakanya, ka gore e ka tloga ya re kamoso jaanong newspaper? Ke ne ke re a boele mafoko a morago, batho ba re nnyaa, tse di builweng ke tsone. expunged from the Hansard. Mafoko a a buang, a re ke a Sunday Standard, so ke batla gore a ka bo a La ntlha fela Mr Speaker ke re, kana Moeteledipele wa nopola (quote) something like the Hansard, se re ka se Diphathi tsa Kganetso ga a ise a ko a tsamaye a galaletse supang mo Palamenteng e. Mo nakong ya gompieno, Tautona ope wa lefatshe la Botswana yo o busitseng ka o bua mabarebare a e leng gore Palamente ya lefatshe nako e a neng a le mo Palamenteng. la Botswana, ga e ka ke ya a nnela five minutes go a reetsa, e le mabarebare, hearsay information from the HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… newspapers. Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR RAKGARE: A re e ntswa e se tshwanelo ya gagwe MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Moswaane, gore a galaletse, mme ke raya gore re mo tlwaetse ka I think you are wrong. He is quoting the paper, for all gore botlhe bao ke ba a ba kgalang. Mogolo o tsene mo we know, the paper might have been mistaken. What Palamenteng ka 2004, ka nako e go neng go busa Tau- he is quoting cannot be held as the truth, as to what tona Mogae. 2007 ba Sunday Standard ba ne ba kwala Saleshando then said. It is the paper saying so. Re article e ba neng ba nopola mafoko a ga Motlotlegi mmogo? Ee. Saleshando. Ke batla go leka go supa gore, Rre Sale- LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR shando go tlhatlhamolola speech sa ga Tautona Masisi SALESHANDO): Further point of order Mr Speaker. ga se tlholontšha. Batswana ba se ka ba solofela gore e Ke ne ke re ke tlhomamise le wena pele ga ke kopa go ka re ka letsatsi lepe, ba tsoga fela ba utlwa Leader of bua se ke neng ke batla go se bua gore, fa motho a bua, the Opposition a boka Masisi, that will never happen, he is entitled to his view, mme fa e le gore o bua selo because ga a ise a ko a tsamaye a… se se seng boammaaruri, ke na le bosupi gone fa jo ke ka bo ntshang gore ga go boammaaruri, is that allowed HONOURABLE MEMBER: Correction. gore ke rise on a point of procedure or order, ke na le bosupi gone fa? MR RAKGARE: …dumalane le Masisi mo go sepe fela. O simolotse ka 2007 fa ke bua, Sunday Standard MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! I think so, what you do, e ne e kwadile ka di 18 tsa ga November Mr Speaker, if first …(Inaudible)… with a question, as to whether what you allow me to quote. the Honourable Member is saying, is the Honourable Member saying that is the truth? If he confirms that, MR SPEAKER: Please do. you say I have contrary evidence, and it can be put to

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that Member. As I say in this case, my understanding said on the 18th November 2007. Now, in 2012, The Mail is that the Minister is quoting a paper, I cannot take and Guardian, one of their Reporters o ne a kwala… that quotation as being the truth of what Honourable Saleshando then said, because those two are different. If MR SALESHANDO: On a point of order Mr Speaker. he was quoting the Hansard, which is the record of this Kana ke ne ka botsa gore a go a letlelesega gore fa e le Parliament, then that will be a different matter. gore motho o bua selo se e seng boammaaruri, ke na le bosupi gone fa ke ka se ntsha. Jaanong ke tsaya gore o HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr tsamaela kgakala go tswa kwa kgannyeng e ke itseng Speaker. gore o e buile e se boammaaruri.

MR SPEAKER: O re busetsa kwa morago gape, ga o a MR SPEAKER: My answer was yes. tlhaloganya gore ka reng? MR SALESHANDO: Ee rra. Jaanong ke kopa sebaka HONOURABLE MEMBER: My sincere apologies, se. A re Batswana ba se ka ba tsaya gore ka letsatsi procedure Mr Speaker. lepe Dumelang Saleshando o ka bua a akgola Tautona Masisi. Fa ke bua maabane ke mo akgoletse maiteko a MR SPEAKER: Ga o a tlhaloganya gore ka reng? gore a supe Batswana ba ba dirang bontle jaaka a ne a dirile, gore ke dumalana le ene ka botlalo. Ke selo se e HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee rra, I have additional bileng ke se rotloetsang. Le mo Facebook ka di 29 tsa information e ke batlang go go thusa ka yone. ga October, ke ne ke kwadile ke bua gore ke akgola, if I MR SPEAKER: Ga o ka ke wa thusa nna. may just read briefly in English; “if there is something that I admire about President Masisi, is the passion and HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... zeal he exuberates when he promotes any project. Many will recall how he energetically championed backyard HONOURABLE MEMBER: I am here to assist you gardens as the road out of poverty for Batswana. I Mr Speaker. do not think he still wants to be associated with the MR SPEAKER: I am not debating. backyard gardens, given their rate of collapse and failure. In the run up to elections, it was the electric HONOURABLE MEMBER: We are Members of the car, again promoted with zeal and confidence.” Ke mo House. akgoletse matlhagatlhaga a dinako tse dingwe a tsayang MR SPEAKER: Yes, but you cannot help me because dilo ka one. I am not debating. Ke ntwa ya lona koo. If you got the HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… point of procedure, by all means… MR SALESHANDO: Jaanong ga go boammaaruri HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure means that ka gore le gompieno ke ne ke mo akgola gape gone the House is out of order Mr Speaker, that I want to fa gore ka fa a dumelang ka teng gore Vision 2036 e correct that. tlaa kgonagala ka dipodi, o ka mo akgolela energy ya MR SPEAKER: Yah, that is why I am saying, if you got teng. O dumela mo go gone ka botlalo. Ke ka tswa ke the point of procedure, by all means, do not say you are sa dumalane le gore o batla go dira sengwe, mme ke mo helping me, I am not debating. Honourable Moswaane! akgolela energy e e reng fa a batla selo a dumele ka sone le fa se se na maduo. MR MOSWAANE: Mr Speaker, in the past we have agreed that information from the newspapers cannot be MR RAKGARE: Mr Speaker, go tlaa re yone quoted in this Parliament. Ga ke itse gore what is your Facebook post eo ka gore ke ne ka e bona, gongwe re e position today? Thank you. etele mmogo re tle re bone gore fa a se na go nna a rialo, o ne a felela a reng. Gape ga ke tlhoke go ya kgakala. MR SPEAKER: I do not know with whom you agreed; Mo State of the Nation Address (SONA) sa ga Tautona, it is not me. kgang e a e buang ya gore o ne a akgolela Tautona gore o ne akgola batho, he said it maabane gore e re le ntswa HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… a akgola Tautona, o ne a supa mongwe gotwe Professor MR RAKGARE: Thank you very much Mr Speaker. Vasilis Koulolias. A bua gore nnyaa, yoo ke mathata; That was what the Honourable Leader of the Opposition ga gona motho yo o ka tlang fela gotwe o theogetse

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mahala. Gone golo moo ga ke itse gore a ke gone fa a ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL boka. Tla ke tswelele Mr Speaker. AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): … Ka 2012; go ne ga kwalwa mo The Guardian, mme (Inaudible)…Khama le Saleshando ka 2014, gompieno ba ne ba nopola mafoko a gagwe a a neng a supa gore Khama o na le Saleshando ka kwa o a mo galaletsa, o the former President Ian Khama ke motho yo o ratang dira sentle kwa opposition a ne a ntse a sa siama? tshenyetso-setšhaba, mme e bile o tsentse monnawe o ipotsa gore o ne a tsenya monnawe jang. I want to quote MR RAKGARE: Ke yone polotiki e Batswana ba se a se buileng Mr Speaker, if you allow me... tshwanetseng gore ba e itse gore ba e neng e le bone ba mo tantang lebaibai, former President Ian Khama, MR SPEAKER: Do, that is what I said. gompieno jaanong ke bone ba ba mmokelang le dance ya Jerusalema e re neng re bona a e dira mo Facebook. MR RAKGARE: O ne a tlhalosa gore, “Khama has Ba mo galaletsa fela gotwe nnyaa, e bile o itse go bina; appointed many members of his family, as well as ba fetogile. Fa ba mo kgala ba ne ba bua gore ga a itse friends to senior positions in the Government and go bina, mme gompieno jaanong ba mmokela le gone state agencies, sometimes to the detriment of good go bina mo a neng a go dira. governance. Tshekedi Khama is a poor performer and has not brought a single Motion to Parliament although Ke ne ke re ke fetse jaana Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse go that was his role as a backbencher,” Saleshando said. gagamatsa fa re bua ka dikgang tsa tshenyetso-setšhaba. Mr Speaker, ke leka go supa gore go simolola ka His Ke dumela gore nako e tlile ya gore re tseye dikgato Excellency Mogae go tsena ka former President Khama, tse di gagametseng. Ga re ka ke ra tswelela re nna le lefatshe le le senyetswang mo go kanakana. Mo nakong gompieno ke Tautona Masisi, we do not expect the e e fetileng e re le ntswa mo malatsing a go kokobetse, Leader of the Opposition go bua sepe se se positive ka mo nakong e e fetileng lefatshe le le ne le tlhakatlhakane Tautona Masisi ka gore o tlwaelesegile jalo. Ya bofelo e e le tshenyetso-setšhaba. Ke dumela gore Directorate on ke batlang go e supa ke ya Sunday Standard, di 8 August Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC) ga mmogo le 2014. O ne a buisa phuthego kwa Francistown a bapatsa Directorate of Public Prosecutions (DPP), re tshwanetse ntlhopheng wa phathi ya Botswana Congress Party re di nonotshe, re di lomele meno di kgone go loma gore (BCP) ka nako yone eo, mme ke kopa gore ke nopole batho ba tsene mo toronkong. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. se a se buileng Mr Speaker e le sa bofelo. O ne a re, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… “Under President Ian Khama’s Government, corruption is acceptable. Those in the echelons of power are MR MOSWAANE (FRANCISTOWN WEST): Tla now doing it stubbornly for everyone to see.” Jaanong ke go leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. ke leka go supa fela gore tota mo ga se tlholontšha le Ke legoge Tautona gore a bo a kgonne go buisanya Motswana ope yo o lebeletseng television mo nakong le setšhaba, mme ke leboge botlhale jwa gago jwa go ya gompieno a reeditse, a se ka a solofela gore e tlaare tsamaisa Ntlo e. Fa o ne o seyo fa ke belaela gore mabole ka letsatsi lepe Rre Saleshando le Tautona Masisi, go sa a ka bo a setse a jewa. Go thata e bile ke a bona gore kgatlhalesege gore Tautona Masisi o dira bontle go le nnyaa, batho ba thibile ka mmele. Rraetsho, tla ke re kae, ba dumalane. dikgang kwa setlhoeng sa rona tsa lefatshe la Botswana ke go palelwa go tsamaisa Puso ga the ruling party; Ke batla go khutlisa ka sengwe ke se Mr Speaker. Ke failure by the ruling party to run this Government. Ke khutlisa ka dikgang tsa tshenyetso- setšhaba. Ke supe… selo se sengwe se re tshwanetseng go se lebelela thata. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Mr Ke lebile thata mo dikgannyeng tse di tshwanang le tsa Speaker. go palelwa ke go tsamaisa the National Development Plan (NDP) mo o utlwang Minister project e le carried MR SPEAKER: You are running a risk; batho ba forward for 22 years, a re Batswana ba solofele while the bangwe o a ba itse. budget is approved annually gore selo se diriwe. E bile Batswana ba solofediwa ka SONA nngwe le nngwe gore MR RAKGARE: Ee, rra. Honourable Mthimkhulu o se diriwe. A o raya gore Batswana ba tlaa ema dingwaga ne a re clarification sir. tse di kanakana? Ke gakgamala fela Tona a ya go ipoka MR SPEAKER: O a ba itse. ka lodge ya ngwana kwa Kasane a file banana ba le 3

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000 projects di ole, a ipoka ka e le one; performance ya na yone. Ke e e tlisiwang ka bomo. Jaanong dilo tse, ga Tona e re tlhabisa ditlhong. O ne a ile kwa toropong ke go palelwa ga Puso ya BDP. Batswana botlhe ba itse ya Francistown, mme Motswana wa boora Masalila o gore mathata a lefatshe le a fa kae; a mo Constitution ikagetse guest house ya manobonobo, ene o ipoka ka e e neelang Tautona dithata tsa go nna director, e bo e gore o tsentse P100,000 mo teng. Heelang! Kwa go mo neela tsa go nna dictator. Dilo tse tsotlhe di bakiwa robalang ene teng a le nosi, Goromente a sa ye teng. ke Constitution ya lefatshe la Botswana. Dilo tse fa Dilo tse ra re o di lebelele. Fa e le gore o tlhoafetse, ke batla go di tlhalosa, ke gore Executive, Palamente ke batla gore fa o bua ka guest houses fa go iwa kwa le Judiciary tsa lefatshe la Botswana; fa re tsena mo Francistown, o tlogele tsa batswakwa o ye go thibelela Palamenteng, half of the number ya Mapalamente ke mo go tsa Batswana tsotlhe ka Cabinet ya gago. Foo Executive. We are dominated by the Executive. Ke yone re tlaa itse gore o simolotse go bua, e seng go ipoka ka e tsayang ditshwetso. E re goga jaaka ntša. Motho a batho ba itshokoletse. Jaanong dilo tse ga se tsone tse re batla go tlola noka mme ntša yone e sa batle go tsamaya. di itumelelang Tona. E bile o se ka wa ipoka ka project Re gogiwa fela jalo. Gatwe re mo pusong ya batho ka epe ya banana mo nakong ya gompieno re le mo State batho, re fentse, le swabile. of Emergency (SoE) o ganne ka madi a banana go tswa ngwaga otlhe o. O gana ka economic recovery plan ya HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… youth and up until today o ipoka ka banana bafe? A-a! MR MOSWAANE: A mme ke gone? Dikgang tse fa HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… o di lebelela ka fa di tsamayang ka teng, re lebeleleng gore BDP e boloditse ntwa kgatlhanong le badiredi. MR MOSWAANE: Dilo tse re di bonang mo Pusong Modiredi yo o ka tswang a le molomo o thata, a tlhalosa, ya lona e tsa Presidential Powers, ke directorship, a gana ditsamaiso tsa Puso, o kobiwa phakela fa a re dictatorship le corruption. Ke bona dilo tsotlhe tse di golo fa ga re direle Batswana sentle. Ipotse mo nakong tshosang. ya gompieno gore batho ba health professionals, bomankge, bomaitseanape ba kobilwe ba le kae re sa Tla ke boele kwa tshimologong sentle. Kgang e nngwe tlhalosediwe. Yo mongwe o ne a ngala, a bo a boa mo e le ipokang ka yone ke e ke batlang gore letsatsi le tseleng o sa itse gore o filwe eng? baruti ba dikereke ba itse gore le ila dikereke. Sekai, Francistown; from 1966 up until today, le beile ditsha HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… di le 21 tsa dikereke, seven ke tsa kereke e tona e e ratiwang; rona rotlhe re kgaogana 20 re le more than MR MOSWAANE: Ke sone se re reng, go lwantsha 500 churches. Jaanong le ila bodumedi le bo batla ka babereki le itira gore le a ba rata, le ba kgokgontsha dinako tsa ditlhopho fela... ka seemo se se ntseng jaana… Re ka tsaya batho re ba isa kwa India le United Kingdom (UK) ba ya go tsaya HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… Masters le Degrees, ba bo ba tla ba kobiwa malatsi HONOURABLE MEMBER: O bolelela ruri. otlhe ke batho ba tshwana le lona, it is not fair. A re amogeleng gore badiredi ba lefatshe la Botswana are MR MOSWAANE: O tlaa bona motho a khubame, e there to function as advisors. E bile e le bone bodiredi bile a feta khudu ka boleele. Dilo tse ga re a tshwanela mo go lona lo le the ruling party. Gompieno le laola le go di leboga, e bile ga re a tshwanela go di letlelela. dirisa dithata tsa sepolotiki, le sa dirise kitso e badiredi Letsatsi leno opposition e ne ya kopa gore mo nakong ba Puso ba tswang go e ithutela kwa mafatsheng a e e thata ya COVID-19, a re dire gore baruti ba nne mangwe le kwa universities tsa lefatshe la Botswana. essential ka ba laola dipalopalo, e bile ba ka re thusa go lwantsha mogare o. Puso e ya Domkrag, e ganne Corruption e setse e rotoga jaana tshwene fa gare ga go fitlhelela letsatsi leno. E bile le letsatsi leno, e gana tshimo, this is not allowed and we cannot allow this gore baruti ba rapelele bolwetse jwa COVID-19 bo thing anymore. Ke lebelele dikgang tse dingwe tse di felele. Go bonwa gore fa go kgobokantswe Matona tlhomolang pelo. The Directorate of Intelligence and fela, ke gone go siameng, fa ba kgobokanngwa ke Security (DIS) has now been turned to a gatekeeper ya baruti, ga go a siama. A batho ba itse gore Domkrag ga tenders tsa lefatshe la Botswana. Fa go tla a tender ya e rate bokereki, e iphitlha ka jone fa e batla ditlhopho. billions gotwe e ke Qhan, o itse gore fa ba sa batle Qhan Ke sone se re ka bong re lekodisa batho gore ke eng ba batla Qhanqu. Ke gone jaanong DIS e gorogang e gompieno Corona e ganelela mo Botswana mme re se emisa gotwe for security reasons. Dilo tse ga se tsone

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sentle. Re ntshe DIS from the tenders ka gore corruption a di bona, emisang corruption gore re kgone to create e na le lephata le le maleba, le le itebagantseng le employment. Mo nakong ya gompieno go thata gore dikgang tse di tshwanang le tse. tender e e tsamayang under BDP, e bo e sena morero wa corruption mo teng, go thata. Ga re a tshwanela go HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… ipoka ka tsone gore rona re na le Mapalamente a a fetang MR MOSWAANE: Hee wena! Ga se sephiri gore ke a kganetso mo Palamenteng, a re saleng boammaaruri rekisa dikoloi kwa Francistown. I can tell you gore you morago. Fa e le gore le ka ipoka ka tsone, ke kopa gore are a thief! Batswana ba le lebe ka leitlho la kilo ka gore ga le rate lefatshe le. Lona le na le maitseo a go batla go kukunela HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… kwa tenders mme go direla Batswana gone go a pala, it is not fair. Your Government is failing Batswana as we HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a go bolelela yo. speak today.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)…

MR MOSWAANE: E re ke bue ka dikgang tsa botsogo MR MOSWAANE: A re buisanyeng sentle. Re na ka gore batho ba Francistown ba ntebeletse mo nakong le mananeo a Integrated Support Programme for ya gompieno gore a ke tla ka tharabololo kana ka eng. Arable Agriculture Development (ISPAAD), Youth Toropokgolo ya Francistown e na le baagi ba le 120 000 plus or minus. Re na le sepatela sa Nyangabgwe, se Development Fund (YDF), brigades, Ipelegeng le tsaya only 400 patients, e bile it is catering for the entire health, a a pala, tota lona le kgona eng mo botshelong? North. Mo nakong ya gompieno jaana, ke rona ba re Le kgona eng mo botshelong? Fa o re o tlisa merero ya itseng go boloka kwa Bokalaka go feta dikgaolo tsotlhe tsa banana ka fa Lephateng la Arts and Culture, Tona o mo lefatsheng la Botswana. A re tshwanetse go letlelela batla go ipoka. Ke swabisiwa ke gore go ipoka monana Puso ya Domkrag go atlholela batho ba Bokone leso ka yo ke tsayang gore re ne re mo tshephile. Gompieno o ntata ya go ba tlhokisa kalafi e e maleba? Tenders tsa ipoka ka go kgokgontsha banana ba lefatshe leno ka gore madimadi o ntse o utlwa gore di sokamela ka fa bosikeng o tshwere maemo a Botona. He went to Francistown and le ka fa botsaleng and tse di lebileng kwa Francistown promised them solutions tsa gore re ya go fetsa mathata, ga di yo. Dikokelwana tsa Francistown as I am talking up until today bana ba Francistown ga ba na botshelo jo to you today, ga di na bongaka jo bo rileng, e bile ga di bo siameng jwa the artists. Gatwe ba opele pina ya BDP, na ditlamelo, didirisiwa le ambulances. Batho ba rona this is not okay. Ke batla gore tlogelang dilo tse, le tsene ba swa fela jaaka dintsi. Go lebeletswe ke Puso ya BDP mo tsamaisong. Fa go ne go kgonega, ke ka bo ke re the ya re ba ye kwa dikerekeng go rapela, bone ba ya kwa BDP Government must step down, finish and klaar! Le mading ba ya go a ja. This thing should not be allowed neele ba bangwe go tsamaisa Puso. mo nakong ya gompieno. Batlhophi ba lefatshe le, a ko ba tswe mo tumelong ya gore, le fa o re kgokgontsha HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… o tswa kwa legodimong, le fa o re rapelela o tswa kwa MR MOSWAANE: Ga le a tshwanela go emela leso legodimong. Nnyaa, ba ba kgokgontshang ba tswa kwa la coffin la go itewa ka sepekere mo tlhogong, le ntse le go saatane. Ga re ka ke ra tseela gore motho yo o tswang bona gore le a palelwa mo nakong ya gompieno. A re kwa legodimong gotwe… lebeleleng dilo tse. Fa gongwe ke a itse gore re tlhoisiwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. Batswana. Gompieno fa o lebeletse Masama, e tla ka the pipes tse tharo di tlhomagane. Re tswa mo go ya MR MOSWAANE: O e bitsa o le kae ka gore ke a tlhaola 900 million, fa re tswa mo go eo, re tsena mo go ya gompieno? Dikgang tse dingwe tse di ngomolang pelo di 1.8 billion. A ra re re tlhwaafetse mo tirisong ya madi, kwa tertiary institutions le brigades. Go a swabisa gore leshekere le le mo lefatsheng? Dilo tse di batla gore le after 55 years, dipalo tsa rona di bo di golela kwa go di lebelele sentle. Fa o tsaya sekai ka pipe e e tswang 200 000 ya bana who have graduated ba sa bone ditiro. mo Gaborone e ya kwa Kanye, o ipotse gore e dirisitse Go bonala gore mo Pusong diphatlha di teng. Batho ba bokae. I am very sorry Mr Khato Civils; I am not talking bereka as temporary employees for more than 10 to 15 about you. You are a fine Motswana, re bua la tsamaiso years. Dilo tse di tlhabisa ditlhong. Fa o ntse o lebeletse ya ka kwano. You won the tender, o Motswana, o na le the tenders tsa madi a matonatona, di ntse di jewa ke ba tshwanelo eo. I support you to be in the tender mme ke ba tshwanetseng kana ba ba sa tshwanelang. Dilo tse re bua ka sephiri se ke se bonang ka kwano sa sekutšhu.

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Dikgang tse jaaka re di bua, re tshwanetse ra tlhwaafala, o tshwanetse gore o ye go hirwa, gatwe taboga pele re ra ba ra lebelela gore kwa Francistown, o tlaa bona gore utlwe gore a mpa e bokete kana jang; go bua BDP. Wena jealous e a rotoba mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Re na le o kwala cases batho ba atlholwa, e o e hiretsweng, o e lefatshe le le ka ntshang 40 000 residential plots. Botona kgona letsatsi le letsatsi. Kgokgontsho mo babereking ba setse ba bua ka go batla lefatshe kwa ba sa itseng ba lefatshe la Botswana ke dilo tse di sa siamang. gore ba ka le bona kae, come to Francistown, we will give you land that can produce 40 000 plots. Re na le A re tsene mo go enngwe gape ya Internship Programme metsi, motlakase le batho ba ba emetseng those plots e Goromente is intending to use cheap labour, ga a batle who are well over 100 000 ba ba emeng. go duela bana ba, they are graduates, ba a bereka, and ba dira ditiro dingwe, ba nna graduates up until they MR MOTAOSANE: Point of elucidation. Tanki are told, ya kwa motseng o ye go ikhutsa go tsene yo Honourable Moswaane yo ke mo ratang thata. Jaaka o mongwe, mme fa go ka ka twe wena Mopalamente nna fa fatshe jaana, o ne o nankola dilo tse di leng kwa tsamaya two years o ye go ikhutsa go tsene yo mongwe, Francistown; bo metlakase, metsi, bo eng, di ne di dirwa go tlaa tsoga ntwa lefatshe lotlhe. Ba bangwe gatwe ba ke Puso efe? tswelele fela ba ikhutse, gatwe dimpa di a difetolana. Dilo tse a re di lebeleleng gore fa Batswana ba re HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... tlhophile ba re tshepha jaana, a re lebeleleng gore a re MR MOSWAANE: O se ka wa ba leka go tshwantshanya ba direla sentle. Rra Gaone le Puso ya gompieno, do not try it. Banna ba Bana ba rona kwa Botswana Police ga ba kgone go ba busitseng bale, re ka se ke re ba lebale mo botshelong bereka sentle ka go nna temporary for more than ka tsamaiso ya ditlhabololo, so we are talking of today 15 years. Bana ba rona ba lefatshe la Botswana ba my brother, o se ka wa tla go mpolelela Domkrag; ba mo Internship Programme le bone ga ba ka ke ba Domkrag of today is finished... nna temporary for the rest of their lives. So golo mo HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... ke go sotla e bile ke go kgokgontsha Botswana. It is a failure by BDP Government go supegetsa Motswana MR SALESHANDO: Further elucidation. Fa o bua gore botshelo jo bo siameng ke eng. Dilo tse tsotlhe fa ka Domkrag ya gompieno, ke go balele mo go neng ga o di lebeletse, Old Age Pension (OAP) ka fa e ntseng ka kwalwa mo pampiring nngwe ya dikgang ya Gazette, teng, mo ke gone go sotla botsadi jo bo agileng lefatshe ba re ‘BCP Youth League President Tumiso Chillyboy le, ga ke itse gore a molato wa bone ke go tla pele lona Rakgare, they have just dragged newly elected MP le bo le tla kwa morago le fitlhela khumo e setse e le Bogolo Kenewendo into her political baptism of fire teng. Re na le ditlhaloganyo mo nakong ya gompieno as he says her decision to join the abusive Botswana ya gore re ka bo re akanyetsa bagolo ba rona re ba raya Democratic Party (BDP) shows that she is not as re re between P800 and P1, 500 ke sengwe se se ka intelligent as she is said to be. Speaking during a tshetsang motho mo nakong ya gompieno. Mo nakong press briefing on Monday, Rakgare said Kenewendo’s ya gompieno grocery is almost P1, 000 mme mogolo choice of party was suspect considering how the youth gatwe a tshele ka P500. Ke dilo tse o tshwanetseng go were oppressed under the BDP regime. Kenewendo’s di lebisa party ya BDP gore a dilo tse le di bitsa bokgoni intelligence is talked about too much, and I doubt she kana jang, when are you attending them? Go a bontsha is that intelligent to be taking decisions like the one she gore tota ka fa go ntseng ka teng, go ntse go ya tlase recently took by agreeing to serve the abusive BDP.’ ka monokela jaaka sediba se se welang se se senang O bolela ruri, Domkrag ya gompieno e e bonweng ke yo o ka se katololang. Go tlaare Batswana ba tsholetse Chillyboy ga se yone ya bogologolo. matlho ba tlogele go bala lekwalo la Baroma 13 le le HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... reng ‘go siame go tlotla babusi le fa ba utswa, go siame go tlotla babusi le fa ba dira se.’ Nnyaa molao wa re fa o MR MOSWAANE: Thank you Mr Leader of the le Bishop o senya, o a kgaolwa mo phuthegong. Fa o le Opposition. Dikgang tse dingwe tse di ngomolang pelo, Tautona o senya, o a kgaolwa mo Pusong; fa o le party di tlhoka go lebiwa Mr Speaker. O lebelele lephata le le o senya, o a ntshiwa mo Pusong go tsena ba bangwe tshwanang le la Botswana Police la bana ba ba dirang gore re ba leke. Mo nakong ya gompieno le ipoka fela ka bokgabane le boineelo, o bo o nna Special Constable ka tshenyetso-setšhaba bagaetsho, dilo tse ra re ga di a for 15 years, o kwala cases, batho ba atlholwa yet fa siama rraetsho.

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Masole a lefatshe la Botswana ba na le kgang e e sa Kgang e nngwe e e ngomolang pelo LOO ke ya go batleng motho yo o itebeletseng ka bo ene. Banna ba ba solofetsa banalebogole ngwaga le ngwaga gore ba berekile lefatshe le go tswa kwa le simologileng teng. tlaa tokafalediwa botshelo, ba tshela ka seemo se se Re ipoka ka bone fa ba re iteela salute le fa ba apere ngomolang pelo, ba tshela ka matlhotlhora, e bile ba uniform e e supang gore ke sesole, mme mo dituelong tshela ba sa itse gore Modimo ke eng a sa ba tseye, tsa bone re batla go itira gore o kare ga re itse gore banna whereas the BDP Government is shining ka bone, ba ba ba ntse ba tlhoka eng. I challenge your Government sena thuso e ba e bonang. Banalebogole ba bangwe ba today, and I can challenge you gore le ye go bala tsamaya jaaka digagabi mo malwapeng, mme e bile ga Hansard because dituelo tsa ba bosole jwa Botswana di ba bone thuso, gatwe Jehovah God is to blame, wena tswa go baakanngwa ke Dr Khama ka 2017. Rre Shaw o sa bonwe molato o palama Benz le di Rolls Royce Kgathi o badile statement gone fa, fa Pius Mokgware a why should we allow that thing? Dilo tse di diragala ka ne a tsenya Motion o o neng o re Conditions of Service gore corruption ke yone fela e e busang mo lefatsheng for the soldiers. Ke ne ke tsenya Motion o ke neng ke re la lona. A ko re emiseng dilo tse di tshwanang le tsone go nne le Ombudsman wa sesole go ba sireletsa. Re ne tseo. Dikgang tse di batla gore re eleng tlhoko gore re ra rapelwa, ra ya go kopiwa gore re boele ka fa morago tsamaisa jang. Cabinet e setse e feditse jaaka fa Rre Honourable Kgotla Autlwetse a re nnyaa re setse re feditse. Jaanong fa e le Tona Rakgare, ke ne ke batla gore le re tlhalosetse gore gore Khama o ne a feditse ka nako eo, yo mongwe a bo wa reng ka banana. This gentleman is a failure, number a tsaya a nosa (score), gatwe go rileng? 1; and Honourable Masisi should relief him his powers, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... a mo ntshe gotlhelele. Fa go kgonega, a mo suspend le mo phathing. MR MOSWAANE: Jaanong ke batla gore dilo tse dingwe e re le di ipateletsa, le itse gore ba bangwe ba di HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... dirile. You are not at that hype by your own, ba bangwe MR MOSWAANE: He is causing serious disrepute ba le pegile foo gore le nne teng. So go se ka ga itebalwa into this Government, although the Government a setse fela ga ipokiwa ... a le mo mathateng, he is making the situation worse. So HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. batho ba ba tshwanang le bone ba, ba e leng ba mokgabo fela o kare ba tsenelela mmabontle, we do not need them HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... here. Re batla bo makgaphadiretse ba ba akanyetsang matshelo a Batswana. So dikgang tse a re di emeleng MR MOSWAANE: Nnyaa, motho yo o mmotlana ka dinao. thata, fa ke ka mo lesa, o a itse gore o a rogana gakere? Bagaetsho, a re tseneng kwa phaneng. Go ngomola pelo, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... e bile re ingwabaile re ntse re itse gore phane e etla. Ga MR MOSWAANE: Dingwe tse re tshwanetseng re di go na Tona yo o batlang go re bolelela gore a reng ka ba lebelele Mr Speaker, lefatshe la Botswana ga le sa tlhole phane. Bagaetsho, phane e tsisa madi a a ka tshwarang le setse morago the service standards tsa go thusa batho bo P2 Billion fela fa o e tlhodile sentle, mme fa re batla ba Botswana, nnyaa go tsamaiwa fela mo phefong. This go ba thusa, re ka bo re setse mo nakong ya gompieno should come to an end. We have employed professionals re ba tswetse ka lenaneo la gore a ba ye go roba phane, who can give us the service, let the politicians stand mme tsamaiso e nne e le e, ba se ka ba kgobokana ba aside, ba dire ya bone, badirelapuso ba dire ya bone. le 50, ba fiwe hectares tse ba berekelang mo go tsone Fa o bona kgoreletsego ya bodirelapuso jwa lefatshe la ba kgaogane, go bewa leitlho ke ba ba tlaabong ba ba Botswana e sa tswelele pele, mapolotiki a Domkrag ba beile leitlho, e seng go gana gore phane e tswe ghupu, ikgagapelela maemo; le a bo Permanent Secretary (PS) e bo e bonale mo nakong ya gompieno, e bo e boele tota. Heela! PS is a Permanent Secretary, wena you are kwa Modimong whereas rona re e ja, re e nwa madi a Minister, and he is the Accounting Officer, so o batla a boPalamente re kgora bagaetsho. Golo mo ga se go gore fa go setse gotwe go arabiwe molato, wa re go supa kutlwelobotlhoko mo Batswaneng. Ke dikgang tse araba Accounting Officer, fa go setse go binwa dipina, ke batlang gore re di supe gore tota fa e ne e le gore wa re go araba wena, it is not allowed. Let us be fair to Batswana ga ba a dira phoso ka go dira dilo dingwe tse these people, ba bereketse lefatshe leno. A re lekeleng di bosula tse ke neng ke le mo teng, nnyaa waitse. Ke go bona gore dilo tse di nne botoka. a itse gore ke tlhophilwe, mme ga ke a tlhophiwa jalo.

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Bagaetsho, dikgang tse a re lekeng go bona gore mo Jaanong, re kopa ka tlhwaafalo gore kwa Gerald go nne nakong ya gompieno Puso ya lefatshe la Botswana le a third primary school gore botshelo jwa batho bale ya BDP e ithola marapo. They are failing, completely bo tswelele pele sentle. Re setse re ya go baya plots di failing! le more than 3000, mme batho ba setse ba feta dikole, jaanong poor planning; se ya go tla go sianwa e le gore HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… mašhi a tshologa kafa, emere e ema kafa, go a reng, go a MR MOSWAANE: Ke ne ke ka tsamaya le bone fa reng. A dikgang tse di bonwe di feleletswe. ke ka bo ke e ja le bone. Jaanong ka gore o a itse gore Kgang e ke batlang go feleletsa ka yone Mr Speaker, go bosinyi bo bontsi teng, ga ke je le basinyi... bonala gore the BDP Government does not understand HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… the situation that we are going through. Re agile sekole sa manobonobo sa Francistown College of Technical MR MOSWAANE: Yes! Leka gape o tle o utlwe. and Vocational Education (FCTVE) se se tsayang palo ya 1500 ya bana mme for the past five or 10 years, se HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… tsaya only 500, fa se re se pekile se ka nna sa tsaya 300. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Tona a bo a re, “we are achieving a lot, we are really trying our level best.” MR MOSWAANE: Bagaetsho, mo thutong re na le Ke setse ke tsere tshwetso ya gore ka fa Matona a mathata a matona Mr Speaker, a a tlhokang go emelwa ganang go re araba ka teng, fa ba tsena kwa Francistown ke bomme le borre ka dinao. Mo nakong ya gompieno ope a se ka a letsa mogolokwane, what for? Ba se ka ba ke batla gore Batswana ba ntshe Domkrag mo teng ka lelediwa mogolokwane ka gore re holeletsa batho ba e gore it will continue failing and failing and failing go reng fa ba emelela, ba a re šhauta e bile ba re tshega mo fitlhela re busiwa ke tonki e e dinaka. Go tlhokega gore dikoloing tse dintsho ba sa re direla sepe, ba itumelela Batswana ba tseye tshwetso ya gore mo thutong, re le megolokwane ya rona ya gore re leboga Modimo gore lekile. Waitse ke utlwisiwa botlhoko ke mme ke yole o re file baeteledipele ba ba sa kgathaleng ka rona. who has retired, o bidiwa Pelonomi Venson ka lenaneo la Dikgang tse di batla go lejwa sentle gore a mme re tlaa Education and Training Sector Strategic Plan (ETSSP), kgona ka batho ba ba ntseng jalo. Jaanong, ke seemo le mo nakong ya gompieno boTona ba buang gore le a se ka bosone Mr Speaker, se batlang gore Batswana diragala mme le sena budget. Heelang! ETSSP go tewa ba ikemele ka dinao e bile re sa forwe ke ope, re sa lenaneo le le tona le le ka dirang dikgakgamatso. Ka tshosediwe ke ope. gore jaanong le ne le tlile ka morataphathi, le a bo le Kgaolo ya Kgalagadi, Ngami, Nhabe, Chobe, Okavango, tlile go sokola go fitlhelela le nyelela, go bo go tla a North East, Tswapong, Borolong, Ngwaketse, new programme. Tlotlang seemo sa gore Dr Venson ka Bammangwato le dikgaolwana ka go farologana ga nako eo o ne a filwe maikarabelo a a seng kana ka sepe tsone tsa bo Kweneng, Bobirwa, Selebi Phikwe le a go ntsha lefatshe le mo mathateng, mme a tla ka a Francistown ba batla gore ba botsolotswe gore naare fa programme a na le badirelapuso ba ba nonofileng gore le tlhopha phathi ya Domkrag, le e tlhophela eng? Kwa re ka ya kwa pele jang. teng lehuma la teng le ngomola pelo e bile le okediwa ngwaga le ngwaga ke the ruling party ka go ikgatlholosa Heelang! fa e le ka kgang ya pre-schools, the Government the National Development Plan (NDP). Ba tlogela gore, of the day is failing. Let me give you a small example. “Puso ya re,” ba bo ba re, “Tautona a re,” this is where Francistown; mo sekoleng sa Monarch se se nang le we are going wrong. Tlogelang mokgwa o le ntseng le bana ba le 700, ba pre-school ba nna 30 fela ngwaga le re, “Tautona a re,” naare yone Puso ya reng? NDP e bua ngwaga, the rest ba ya kwa kae? Kwa Phase 6 go na le ka se, Tautona comes, o bua ka se. batho ba le 2 000, bana ba ba ka tsewang koo are almost 500, mme go tsewa 30 ya bana fela mo go rayang gore Re letleng go le gakolola. Heela! We are misusing fa o bala dikole tsa Francistown gore di kae, bana ba Government funds. How can you use P1 million to le bantsi almost go tsewa 7 per cent go ya ka fa dipalo go and deliver P100, 000.00 worth diphoko, there is tsa ga Tona di ganelelang ka teng, the 90 per cent e ya something wrong. There is another alternative route e iphandlela, mme gatwe the Government is achieving a o ka dirisang badirelapuso wa ba tshepa fa e le gore ke lot. Hey, this is a disgrace. ba gago o ba direla boammaaruri, e bile o eme le bone

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bosigo le motshegare o ba raya o re tsamayang le ye go HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… phatlalatsa diphoko. I think the President must stop this programme ya go phakisa diphoko ka bo ene, with due MR MOSWAANE: If they can stop corruption respect, we are losing a lot of money. Go mo tsamaisa and improve Nyangabwe Hospital, create jobs and fela le staff sa gagwe cost Government millions. I know kgokgontsho ya babereki, I will stop saying that. They he has a dream, but the dream is in partnership gape le are getting richer and richer, how? O huma jang o maSaudi Arabia ba ba batlang go reka Botswana Meat bereka mo Pusong? Gompieno jaana le setse le na le Commission (BMC) ya Francistown. Jaanong, o batla dipolase tse di fetang 20 le ise le nne Matona. This is go nthaya o re ke boammaaruri gone moo, rona re ntse unfair for Batswana and you think we should allow you re sa bolo go e batla dingwaga re sa e bone... to do all these things. Heela, lefatshe le fa o le bona le humanegile jaana le humanegisitswe… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Yo mongwe o neetse maSomalia lefatshe. MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. MR MOSWAANE: …ke maitseo. Thank you so much.

MR MOSWAANE: Mma ke go bolelele ka maSomalia, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… they are hard workers. They are not thieves like you... MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moswaane, you will HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… come and finish‘lefatshe le.’ Let us take the COVID-19 health break for 20 minutes. MR MOSWAANE: They are hard workers. They are not thieves like you. Your company collapsed because PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 4:04 P.M. FOR you wanted to steal Government tenders ka gases. Stop APPROXIMATELY 20 MINUTES it! PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 4:34 P.M.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP”

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… MR SPEAKER (MR PULE): Pray be seated. When MR MOSWAANE: Ke a itse gore o tlile go mpakisa, we broke for a health break, Honourable Moswaane was mme re tlaa kopana kwa court ka gore o ba ganela ka on the floor and was left with 4 minutes 9 seconds. permits o lebile nna. Wena wa re ke a le tshaba, ke MR MOSWAANE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke tshephile Modimo nna, ga ke le tshabe. Ke tshephile itebaganye le dikgang tsa GBV. Tona yo o maleba wa Modimo! Gender Economic Empowerment Scheme a tlhatlose HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… maoto, go nnile more than 5 years lenaneo le le eme, ga go supe kgathalo ka botshelo jwa bomme. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… I am taking that the person who is leading this ministry MR MOSWAANE: Ke go bolelele, your President ke mme, o itse botlhoko jwa go nna mme. Ke kopa gore closed my garages about twice a tsenya maSomalia mo ka bokhutshwane fela ka ke mo rata thata, ke mo reye ke toronkong for 30 days ba sena charge, e le lefufa fela... re, kgaitsadiaka, ga o ka ke wa re o ka lwantsha GBV when you are actually refusing to give women money HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. to empower themselves because they suffer emotional MR MOSWAANE: You want me to tell you all these and financial abusekwa malwapeng. The key thing is to things. Ga ke le tshabe ke tshaba Modimo fela, mme ke empower them economically, re tlaa goroga mo go tse tlaa le tlotla jaaka botsamaisi bo ntse. Thank you. dingwe. Kgang e nngwe e e tshwenyang e e neng e ntse e thusa bomme… MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Procedure. Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, is it procedural for the HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Member of Parliament (MP) to keep referring to fellow MR MOSWAANE …ke ya Poverty Eradication. MPs as thieves? A ke tsamaiso mongwame? Poverty Eradication e ngadilwe ka gore ke ya ga Dr MR SPEAKER: Ga ke itse ntwa ya bone nna. Khama, the Former President.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. I am calling upon you to wake up and sponsor people who need accommodation in Botswana. Le se ka la re MR MOSWAANE: I am sorry my dear sister, I am left le sponsor boTautona, any person yo o batlang ntlo e with two minutes. Poverty Eradication e latlhilwe, e e le Mopalamente go agela motho, mo thuseng ka gore le neng e ntsha bomme le batho ba ba dikobo dikhutshwane batla go isa kopa-morokotso mo baeteledingpele. mo mathateng e bile e le bogadi bo gaufi, mme ka gore ke ya ga Dr Khama, e beetswe ka fa thoko. Gatwe e Citizen Economic Empowerment; mo go nna ke le tsweletse mme ga re e bone, ke rona ba re tshwanetseng Honourable Moswaane, it is only when Motswana has go e bona. Ga e a tshwanela go buiwa ka melomo re employed a foreigner. Fa e le gore re santse re hirilwe ke sa e bone mme re ne re tlhola re e bona malatsi otlhe. batswakwa, there is no citizen economic empowerment. Dikgang tse ra re re di lebeleleng. Citizen economic empowerment is when Batswana are holding majority shareholders mo dikomponeng tsa Destitution Programme le yone e mo mathateng, e bone. A selo se re se diragatseng e bile re sa boife sepe, tsitlile e bile ga e na go tswelela pele ka gore batho mo re neeleng Batswana dithata tsa itsholelo. Ke kopa jalo, nakong ya gompieno, dijo tse ba neng ba di ja tsa ma a re yeng go tlhabolola toropokgolo ya Francistown, P600, gompieno ba tsaya tsa bo P200. Ga go ka ke ga ke yone ya bobedi mo lefatsheng le. E bile ke yone e tlhoka gore go nne le GBV fa bomme le bana ba tshela ka tlisang tsoseletso ya matshelo, e na le monyetla wa ka khumanego. Dikgang tse a re itebaganyeng le tsone, economic stimulus. E ka le thusa, a re yeng go diragatsa re tlogele go tlhowa Dr Khama, re lebelele se Motswana mo Francistown, le se ka la tlhowa rona ba re buang, a se tlhokang. Ke dilo tse ke tsayang gore fa o ka inherit re romilwe ke batho. Fa le re tlhowa, le tlhoile ba ba re programme e e molemo, le Modimo o ka go segofatsa, tlhophileng. A re amogeleng gore mo go tse dingwe re mme fa o e ngala fela ka gore ke ya ga mokete a ne tlaa nna re ntse re fetafetana, e bile re berekisana, re sa a akantse sentle, lefatshe leno ga le ka ke la tswelela latlhelelane mme re amogele gore opposition is there sentle bagaetsho. for a purpose. Ba kganetso, a re dumeleng gore re ya go Bagaetsho, dikgang tse dingwe tse di tshwenyang tsaya puso ka 2024. Le reng amen! kwa dikoleng; failure to provide textbooks for the HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Amen! students is a very serious crime e e dirwang ke party ya Botswana Democratic Party (BDP). Heela! fa jaanong MR MOSWAANE: Thank you. bana ba setse ba simolotse matshelo jaana, they have HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… got nothing to read and use at school, ba tsaya ga films jaanong ke gone ba go diragatsang. When somebody ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL from opposition a leka go isa dibuka kwa sekoleng gore GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT bana ba tle ba kgone go tsena mo libraries ba ithute, di a (MR AUTLWETSE): Mma ke go leboge Motlotlegi emisiwa. Kana education is empowerment e motho a ka Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke go lebogele tshelang ka yone. Kwano le batla go ruwa batho gore ba go bo le nna o mphile sebaka sa gore ke tle go akgela ye go swa e ntse e le bahumanegi. Dilo tse, lesang UDC mo pegong e ya ga Motlotlegi Tautona, e mo letsatsing le baemedi ba yone ba phakise dibuka. Le tlaa tlisa tsa leno e leng yone re e buisang. Selo se ke progress lona fela jaaka le tlisa diphoko. It is fine! report Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, e e HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… leng tshwanelo ya motho mongwe le mongwe gore fa a romilwe, mo tsamaong ya nako a nne a tlisa tse MR MOSWAANE: Bagaetsho, dikgang tse tsa failure a di kgonneng, le go supa tse a santseng a tlhaetse go to fight corruption ke dingwe tse jaanong di ngomolang fitlhelela kwa go tsone. Selo se ke se ratileng mo pegong Batswana pelo. Di tlhokisa Batswana ditiro, good e Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente ke gore, opportunities e bile di tlhokisa badirelapuso go gola. Motlotlegi Tautona ga go na gope mo pegong e fa a reng Re ba hora ka ma 10, 6, 3 a e leng gore le one ke a ga ke kgonne gotlhe. Ga go na gope mo pegong e fa a reng Dr Khama, ka 2015/2016. Thank you. Dikgang tse ra re ga ke na go kgona, a re ke santse ke le mo mosepeleng re lebelele gore dilo di tsamaya jang. Ke tsomatsomana wa go diragatsa thomo ya me. Ka jaana, fa ke leba le National Housing Appeal, ao! Le ka tlhowa motho pego e, e ne e tsamaelana le manifesto wa Botswana a dirile matlo a le 850 e le Tautona, le bo le tsaya le Democratic Party, o o neng wa dirwa ka ngwaga wa tsenya mo pateng. This is not fair. Le lona sponsors, 2019 fa re ya kwa ditlhophong. E ne ya nyalanngwa le

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Vision 2036 le speech sa gagwe se a neng a ikana ka bone di santse di le kwa tlase ga foo. Fa gotwe ba laele sone ka ngwaga wa 2019 ka November, le Mid-Term tiro, potso ke gore jaanong foo se re se dirang ke eng? A Review (MTR), the National Transformation Strategy se ga se gone go leka boroko ka go budulala? and Economic Recovery Transformation Plan (ERTP), e e tlileng ya dirwa morago ga segajaja se gompieno MR MOSWAANE: Procedure. Mr Speaker, ke gore se re emisitseng ka leoto le le lengwefela. Mo godimo ke e lebelele sentle, issue ya gore information e bo e ga tsotlhe rra, tse a neng a di supa, ke tse bagaetsho mislead in the House ya gore Leader of the Opposition ba ntseng ba bua ka tsone. O ne a bua ka go tlhama o rile batho ba fiwe 50years… ditiro, di tlhamelwa Batswana, segolobogolo banana. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moswaane… Metlhale e mentsi ya go ka tlhama ditiro, ke letse ke utlwa Motlotlegi Moeteledipele wa Opposition Rre MR MOSWAANE: …ba bo ba tsaya… Saleshando, a bua gore bone e le UDC, nngwe ya tse ba MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moswaane! bonang di ka dirwa go leka go tlhamela Batswana ditiro, ke gore fa motho dingwaga tsa gagwe di nna 50, e bo e MR MOSWAANE: …package e e nang le mananeo mo le yone retirement age. Ba bo ba ka kopiwa gore ba laele teng, mathata e tlaabo e le eng? Ke eng e sa tlhalosiwe? tiro gore ba sutele banana. Ga ke dumalane Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. E re le fa ntswa MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member, fa o ka tlhola o dira jalo jaanong ke tlaa sitlhamela mo go wena. gone re itse gore metsi a a leswe le one a kgona go tima molelo, mme fa ke bona e kete re tlaabo re dira se sele MR AUTLWETSE: Mr Speaker, ke setse ke tswa go ka gore motho fa dingwaga tsa gagwe di le 50, ga a ise bua jalo gore, Motlotlegi Tautona o supile gore mme fitlhe gope, ga go reye gore o na le dingwaga tse 50 a le ene se a bonang e le nngwe ya tse a tlaa itebaganyang mo tirong. le tsone, tse le mo nakong ya gompieno mo the speech se re se buang se, o setse a supile gore mo lebakeng le MR MOSWAANE: Point of order. Gongwe ke kope le khutshwane le a leng fale… ga a bue ka tse di kwa the Honourable Minister a e wetse, ka gore fa e seng morago tsa a santse a le Mothusa Tautona, ga a bue ka jalo e ka timetsa setšhaba. The Leader of Opposition o tse di kwa morago a santse a le mo ofising le ba bangwe rile fa ba fitlha kwa go 50, ba ka… fa Puso ya ga Domkrag e ntse e busa. O bua ka tse e leng gore o ne a re go goroga a di dira. Ke tsone tse a buang MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moswaane, there is no ka tsone fa. O supa ka botlalo gore le fa go ntse jang, point of order. ditiro dingwe tsone o di dirile. MR MOSWAANE: Ke batla go e wetsa. Lenaneo la Youth Development Fund (YDF), o supile MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa. Honourable Autlwetse. ka botlalo gore le ntshitse ditiro di le kae. Lenaneo le lengwe la banana o supile gore le lone fela jalo le MR AUTLWETSE: He is misleading this House, ntshitse ditiro di le kae. Tseo rotlhe re a di itse, ga se tse dingwaga tse 50 fa motho a tsena mo go tsone, go a bo re ka iphitlhang ka monwana re re ga re di bone. go sa reye gore o na le dingwaga tse 50 a ntse a le mo tirong. Dingwaga tse tlhano tsa ntlha e bo e santse e le Motlotlegi Tautona o buile ka dikgang tse e leng gore ngwananyana a tshameka mo lelwapeng go sena se a se nngwe ya tsone ke ya social protection. Ke dilo tse re di dirang. Go bo go tsena tse seven tsa primary, tse five tsa itseng. Mo nakong ya gompieno Cabinet has approved secondary education, go bo go latela tsa tertiary; four, social protection framework. E le lenaneo le e leng five years a ntse a le kwa sekoleng. Go tswa fa fa a tla go tshekatsheko e e duleng ka nako ya Tautona Masisi a simolola tiro at the age of 27 kana 28, o na le dikgwetlho eteletse Puso ya lefatshe la Botswana, gore a mananeo tse dintsi tse e leng gone a simololang botshelo teng otlhe a a gasameng a, jaanong re a kgobokanyetse as a junior officer. Go tlhakana le gore jaanong a bo a golo go le gongwefela. Go se ka ga nna le Poverty simolola go aga lelwapa, a ke mme jaaka fa re itse fa Eradication e le kwa, le lengwe lenaneo le le kwa. malwapa a mangwe a eteletswe ke bomme, a ke rre yo o Mananeo a a kgobokanngwe, a ye go tsenngwa golo go setseng a tshwaraganye le mme mongwe. Ke gone ba bo le gongwefela, ka gore go gasama ga one ke gone mo go ba simolola go aga motse, gammogo le go godisa bana tlhokang gore a mangwe tiriso le dipoelo tsa one di bo di le go ba isa kwa dikoleng. At the age of 50, gongwe first sa bonale. A ye go tsena under one ministry, one basket, born o santse a le 12 years, bomonnawe dingwaga tsa gape go tle go laolesege, go se ka ga nna le wastage,

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ka gore gompieno go na le bo double-dipping. Motho o Morero wa teng o tshwanetse gore o ye go tsena mo tsaya lenaneo le lengwe la Poverty Eradication kaekae, dikgaolong le Dikgotla tse tsotlhe. Mo nakong ya o ya go tsaya le lengwe kwa Ministry of Agricultural gompieno jaaka ke ne ke bua kgantele ke re COVID-19 Development and Food Security, le le lengwe kwa permitting, ga gona phuthego ya Kgotla e morero o ka Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development. dirwang mo go yone, ka gore ga o ka ke wa bitsa batho O bo o fitlhela jaanong re kgobokanyeditse mae a rona ba le 50 wa re tlang kwano ke le rerise gore re eletsa mo basket e le nngwefela, ka lebaka la gore ga go na gore council ya lona re e dire district. Potso ke gore, tsamaiso e e tlhamaletseng. Ke nngwe ya challenges ba ba 50 ba o ba tlhopha jang, ka gore phuthego ya tse Tautona Masisi a bonyeng gore tse re tshwanelwa Kgotla ga e tshwane le ya political party e gotweng a ke gore re di fedise ka ponyo la leitlho. Go diragetse, go tle delegates, ya re morafe kwa Kgotleng? Ke gone Cabinet already approved seo. fa bothata jo bongwe bo leng teng. Jaanong bagaetsho bone ntlha tsoo pedi; ba ga Domkrag le ba kganetso, O buile ka to empower local authorities, gore mo nakong tumelo ya bangwe ke gore selo se se a diega, go tshwere ya gompieno, our local authorities ga di a itshetlela, eng, a go nne le time frame. Bothata ke jo betsho. Ga jaaka fa batlotlegi ba ntse ba bua ka decentralisation. gona ope yo o sa batleng go nna jalo, ke mogopolo o o Ka ke kwa Ministry of Local Government and Local leng teng. Development, ke selo se se setseng se le mo pontsheng, ka boeteledipele jwa ga Tautona Masisi. A dikhansele Re tshwanetse to empower our local authorities gore ka dingwe jaanong di simolole di lebiwe sentle go bona bo tsone di lese go ikaega ka Puso, di kgone go itirela gore a ga di ka ke tsa tswa districts tse di feletseng. madi a a di tsamaisang. E seng go tsamaisiwa ke revenue Tiro e re e dirile le ba United Nations Development support grant jaaka Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Tonota Programme (UNDP), e wetse, Honourable Moswaane, a letse a bua a re, oketsang revenue support grant. ka o ne o re, “Honourable Autlwetse, a re e wetse.” Ga Kana go oketsa revenue support grant go raya gore ke bue ke bonyabonya jaaka serunya sa maphakela, dikhansele ka bo tsone ga di na revenue base, di beile ke bua e bile ke itlhaloganya, ka re tiro e e wetse, se fela mo mading a a tswang kwa Central Government, se setseng ke gore e isiwe kwa Cabinet. Fa e tswa which is wrong. Go tle mo go bone gore ba tswe ka kwa Cabinet, e bo e tla mo go yone Palamente e, gore mananeo a ba ka tlhabololang dikgaolo tsa bone ka jaanong go ye go sekasekwa. Jaaka fa ke ne ke bua, ke one, ba na le Batlotlegi Mapalamente le Makhanselara rata ke tlhalose selo se, ga se gore fa go feditswe…e rile a dikgaolo tseo. Go kgaoganngwe lefatshe into smaller kgantele fa ke araba potso e ka tlhalosa gore, sengwe sa administrative entities ke dikhansele, ka gore jaaka fa dilo tse di tlileng go tla go di ketefatsa ke gore, a mme ke ne ke bua, molao o a letla gore mo teng ga district, madi a teng a go tla go tsholetsa sub-districts tse, fa go go ka nna le districts tse dingwe jaaka go setse gona nang le di sub teng, gammogo le to create tse e leng gore le sub-districts. Ga gona sekgoreletsi sepe. One a e mo nakong ya gompieno ga diyo, go di dira tsotlhe ka leng makgonatsotlhe madi fa gongwe a ka re raya a re, nako e le nngwefela. Fa go raya madimadi, ka gore mo namang le eme pele. Ope a se ka a tsaya gore mangmang nakong ya gompieno, re bua ka di sub. Dingwe dikago ga a ratwe, keletso ke gore re ye gone koo. di teng, mme madi a a tlileng go batlega a supa fa a le mantsi, ka gore fa o tsholetsa sub o e dira district, ga se Bogosi; sengwe sa dilo tse Goromente wa ga Masisi dikago fela tse di tlhokafalang foo, le jone bodiredi jo bo kana wa ga Domkrag mo nakong ya gompieno a se leng foo maemo a bone a a fetoga, bo Senior Assistant dirileng ke gore, this institution ya Bogosi o kare le yone Council Secretary, e nna bo Council Secretary ba bo ba e ne ya salela kwa morago. Re tsere tshwetso ya gore le nna le bo deputy. All heads of department ba ba leng bone they need to be capacitated. Fa ba berekelang teng foo maemo a bone a fetoga countrywide. Ke namane e go lebege, bodiredi jo bo leng foo le jone fela jalo bo tona ya tiro, e e leng gore ga e batla gore e re e dirwa, re tshwane le jo bo kwa land board, district administration, e dire re e tommetsa, mo go tlogang go tla Motions tse le jo bo mo maphateng a mangwe, le bone dithutego tsa dingwe tsa gore, ba boketekete sub-district ya bone ke bone di tsamaelane le tsele. Ke dikgang tse re setseng eng e sa tshwane le ele, a ba tlhoilwe kana ga ba ratiwe? re feditse le tsone, gore ke yone tsela e e tshwanelwang Di tshwanetse di dirwe ka tsela e e leng gore Batswana ke go tsewa. Morafe o rutegile, mme fa mosekisi le ba tsewa ka tekatekano, ka gore ga go na Motswana moletlanyi a tshwana le Kgosi a tlile go letlanya batho yo Botswana jwa gagwe bo fetang jwa Batswana ba ba e leng gore bangwe ba bone ke lawyers, engineers, bangwe. a o tlaa ba kgona? Ga e re fela ba tsena a bo a simolola

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a inyatsa gore a mme ba ke ba ke ka reetsang kgang ya dikobo le ngwana yo o iseng a nne le boikarabelo jaaka bone? A bo a itebela kwa tlase, mme gongwe ba sa mo fa molao wa lefatshe la Botswana o supa, a sa letlelelwe lebele kwa tlase, e le ene a itshogang, ka gore motho fa gore he or she can enter into contract le ope. Ka mantswe a se empowered, ga a na nonofo ya go ka itse gore se a mangwe, ga a na contractual capacity. Batho ba, ga ba se ntshwanetseng ke se, se se sa ntshwanelang ke se. a tshwanelwa go letlelelwa bail. Ba tshwanetse ba nne Gammogo le gone fa ba direlang teng jaaka fa ke ne ke mo kgolegelong ka gore fa ba tswela kwa ntle, ka o itse bua, Magosi fela jaaka maphata a mangwe, ditlamelo di gore o emetswe ke katlholo e a ka nnang a kalediwa, a a tlhaela kwa go bone. re mma e re ke kalediwa, ke bo ke ikgotsofaditse. Ke bolaile ba le bantsi, ke thubeditse batho kana bana ba Ke selo se Puso e se ikemiseditseng gore fa Magosi le bantsi. Ke leso-le-dirwang ka mantswe a mangwe. a direlang teng, conditions tsa bone di tshwanetse go A a tshegediwe gore bomme le bana ba basetsana ba tokafadiwa. Sengwe le sengwe sa bone; their paying tle ba kgone go tlotlega, ba tsamae fa gare ga batho ba structures di lebiwe gore a mme di tsamaelana le tsa ba ba bapileng le bone mo dikgaolong tse ba leng mo tlotlegile. go tsone. A bodiredi jo bo leng foo, a le jone ba enjoy Ke bete se molangwana ka kgang ya metsi. Go ne ga ditlamelo tse di tshwanang le bo Wi-Fi jaaka ba bangwe nna le madi a a neng a adimiwa kwa World Bank, e le ba ba mo maphateng a mangwe a Puso? Ke dilo tse sesupo sa gore re le lefatshe, ga re na madi. Ba le bantsi, di lebilweng. Le gore this decentralisation fa re e isa bagolo le bannye, fa o re Goromente ga a na madi, kwa dikgaolong, e ya go dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang? ga ba dumele. Le mo lelwapeng lengwe le lengwe fa A ga go ye go fitlhelwa fa gongwe bodiredi bo lelwa o bona monna kana mme a ya go adima madi kwa ga maemo, yo mongwe a tsaya gore yo o tlile go ntseela mmasemangmang, go a bo go supa gore dikgetsi kana tiro? Molomaganyi e tshwanetse ya nna mang? Ka gore dipolokelo tsa gagwe, ga di mo letle go fitlhelela kwa fa gongwe fa District Development Committee (DDC) dikeletso tsa gagwe di mo rayang di re a ye teng. e tsena, wa Agriculture gongwe o neetswe assignment, the following day, Director wa gagwe o a mo transfer, Mo mading a World Bank Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Council Secretary le Molaodi ba sa itse. Ke dilo tse re Palamente, go ne go na le madi a nne e bile ra tsamaya, tshwanetseng go bona gore re ya go di lomaganya ka ke na le Tona wa Metsi wa nako eo, ra ya go tshwara tsela e e ntseng jang gore re tsamaise Goromente yo diphuthego kwa Serule Cluster. Serule Cluster e tsenya mongwe le mongwe a itseng seabe sa gagwe, go se ka motse wa Damchujenaa, Gojwane, Serule, Topisi ga thulathulwanwa fela. le Moreomabele. E ne e le gore metse e, ke mengwe ya e e yang go gokelwa ka madi a World Bank, mme Ke rata go fetela mo kgannyeng e nngwe; GBV. Kgang letsatsi leno ga ke utlwe kgang e gore jaanong e tsenye e re kile ra e bua mo Palamenteng e, Puso ya bo ya fa kae. Go rile tšete! Metse e mengwe e a balwa. Ga ke gagamatsa dikatlholo tsa batho ba ba dirang tiro e. fufege, mme fela ga ke je di welang ka gore fa selo se Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente e e tlotlegang, ne sa solofediwa batho, go a tlhokafala gore fa e le gore ke bete se molangwana. Ke bona e kete golo gongwe ka mabaka mangwe go nnile le diphetogo tsa plan, a dikatlholo tsele e re ntswa di le kwa godimo, mme go batho ba ba ye go bolelelwa gore, “se solofeleng fale, na le fa re neng ra di koafatsa teng, go tshwanetse go solofelang fa.” Selo se ga se ise se diragale. Ka mantswe gagamadiwe. Bomme le bana ba basetsana ga ba tshele a mangwe, batho ba le bantsi ba lebile, e bile ba ipotsa sentle mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Dipolao ga di kana ka dipotso gore, “a re ne re horwa kana legale sengwe se sepe. Ba bolawa ke borre ba ba iphitlhileng ka lefoko le santse se tlaa diragala?” ba reng ba a bo ba ba rata. Mo botshelong jwa rona re le batho Motsamaisa Dipalo tsa rape mo lefatsheng la Botswana, gatwe we Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, dipuo dingwe fa gongwe are the second highest in Southern Africa and that fa re di bua, kana molomo o tlola noka e tletse, re ka is the very true. Selo se se tsalwa ke gore motho a le solofetsa batho dilo tse e leng gore itsholelo ya rona ga e mongwefela fa gongwe o fitlhela a beteletse bomme ba ka ke ya di kgona. Re lefatshe le le kobo dikhutshwane. le fivekana a bolaile batho ba le five ka lebaka la gore fa Ga re ka ke ra itshwantshanya le mafatshe mangwe. Mo a sena go tshwarwa, gatwe bail, o nna kwa ntle. Mo teng nakong ya gompieno, re tlhasetswe ke segajaja se se sa ga dikatlholo tse re setseng re na le tsone, re tshwanetse rateng gore e ka re fa re bua, re bo re bua dipuo dingwe re ntshe bail mo teng; motho yo o pineletseng kana yo o tsa gore, “gololang batho ba tsamae go rata le go bona thubeditseng, yo o bolaileng motho, yo o tlhakanetseng ka gore batho ba senyegelwa ke ditiro ka gore dikgwebo

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di a wa.” A se se botlhokwa ke go somarela matshelo a a tshwane tshoo-tshoo. Ke maiteko a matona a Puso e batho ba kana dikgwebo tsa bone? Se se tlang pele ke a dirileng, mme re dira jaana gape go na le segajaja se eng se re tshwanetseng go se sireletsa? Goromente o ne sengwe fa, go ne go le leuba. a re a re sireletseng matshelo a batho. Golo gongwe, diteme tsa rona di a repa, re bo re tshogana re buile Mo budget ya rona, ga gona ngwaga ope o e kileng ya re dipuo tse re tlang re tsietsa setšhaba gore ra re ke mang Palamente e fetisa budget, ga nna le madi a gotweng a, yo o kgoreletsang batho go tsamaya go rata le go bona, ke a a beelwang fa thoko, ke a dibetso tsa tlholego, ga a a ke bolwetse kana ke mangmang o belompegela batho yo madi ao. Fela fa dibetso tsa tlholego di nna teng, go gore se tseneng, se etalaneng? Ga ke dumele fa go na le raya gore one madi ale a e neng e le a ditlhabololo, kana motho yo o ka iphetlhang a re a dikgwebo tsa batho di jaanong mangwe a one ke one a a isiwang ka kwa. Ga tswalwe tse e leng gore le Puso, fa di bereka, Goromente go ka ke ga bewa madi gotwe nnyaa, a ke a dibetso tsa o roba sengwe mo go tsone. A go na le Goromente yo tlholego, mme ditiro tse dingwe tsa Puso tsone di eme. o ka iphetlhang a ya go tswala dikole go sena se se Ke gore fa sebetso sa tlholego se nna teng, go tsewe tlhokafalang? mo go one ale, bogolo ditlhabololo di name di eme, ka gore ga go thuse sepe go dira magasigasi a e tlaareng Ke lebogetse mafoko a, Minister mongwe kgantele o a phelelong, beng ba one ba bo ba bolailwe ke COVID, buile gore re le lefatshe la Botswana ka gone go dira a sala a akolwa ke mang? Ke sone seemo se re leng mo jalo, re kgonne go gaisa mafatshe a a nang le itsholelo go sone, gore ke rata Batswana ba utlwisisa gore, mo tse di fetang tsa lefatshe la Botswana. Dintsho tse di mo nakong ya gompieno, ga gona ope yo o ganang go ba lefatseng la Botswana, le fa leso le se monate, di kwa direla. Mo nakong ya gompieno, ga gona Goromente yo o palelwang, re loma ka meno. tlase fa o di tshwantshanya le tsa mafatshe a mangwe. Modimo o ne o re ratile, e bile o re sireleditse ka gore Fa o bona lefatshe le ba le emelela le ya go adima madi le ka nako e re neng tlhasetswe, ga gona Motswana yo a le tlileng go a duela le morokotso, go supa gore madi letsatsi leno a leng kwa lebitleng ka lebaka la gore o ga a yo, ka gore budget ya ga Goromente wa lefatshe la bolaetswe ke tlala mo ntlong. Goromente yo a ntse a sena Botswana ga se sephiri, e direlwa mo pontsheng, e tla madi, ka dithuso tsa ba ba neng ba nna pelotlhomogi, gone mo Palamenteng e, re bo re e approve e ntse jalo. ga mmogo le Batswana bangwe ba bangwe ba bone ba Rotlhe re bona gore projections tsa rona re solofetse leng gone fa, ba ne ba bona gore lefatshe la Botswana le gore ka thekiso ya diteemane, bojanala le meamuso e wetswe ke seru, le ene Goromente a bo a bona gore go mengwe ya makgetho, re tla bona bokana, mme lemme beelwe sengwe kwa thoko gore ba inolwe mo serung se le le ka tla la tsutlaganngwa jang, rotlhe re lebile re bona. se ba wetseng. Ee, dijo di ka bo tlhaetse mo mafelong mangwe. Ke tshwanelo gore fa itsholelo e le kwa tlase, Jaanong fa e re ka letsatsi lengwe, re bo re itimokanya ga di ka ke tsa lekana mongwe le mongwe. Goromente re leba mongwe e kete o gana ka madi, madi a le teng, o dirile gotlhe mo a ka go lekang. Se ke neng ka se rata mme e le rona ba re fetisitseng budget, ra re a tseye kae ke lenaneo le le neng la dirwa gore kwa dikoleng tsa madi? Fa e re ka letsatsi lengwe re bo jaanong, re leba rona, Goromente a bo a ne a ema ka dinao a re a madi a Goromente ka tsela nngwe re re, Goromente yo. letsatsi leno a lefatshe la Botswana a se ka a tswela kwa ntle. Go batliwe our local artisans ba ye go baakanya MR MOSWAANE: Point of order. Mr Speaker, I think toilets, classrooms tsa rona le matlo a borobalo jwa the Honourable Minister is out of order, because he is barutabana. Ditiro tse tsotlhe tse di dirwe ke Batswana, stating that go gana go dirisa budget e o fitlhelang go di kgaoganngwe, di se ka tsa nna dikima gore Motswana busiwa bo P12 billion annually a boela mo letloleng la mongwe le mongwe a kgone go tsenya lebogo mo teng. Puso, o kare ba go tsaya gore ga se go gana ga Puso go Tiro e e neng ya dirwa ka nako eo le fa madi e ne e se a implement mananeo. I think he must correct this thing. sepe, e gaisa tiro e ke saleng ke nna mo Dikhanseleng. Thank you. Le fa ke sale ke tla ke nna Mopalamente fa, ga re ise re MR AUTLWETSE: Ga ke itse gore letsatsi leno nnake ko re dire mo dingwageng tse five, mme mo kgweding go tsenye eng mo go ene. Sengwe ke tshwanetse ke se tse pedi maloba, re e kgonne. Dikole di le dintsi di bo di senke kwa bothokong mo go ene re le babedi. Ga ke ne tsa kgona go bulwa ka lone lebaka la gore le fa mo go na bosupi jwa P12 billion yo o kileng a busiwa gope tse dingwe go ne go sa lekana, mme go ne go nametsa, fela. Mo dikhanseleng tse nna le Motlotlegi Molale le ka gore sejo sennye ga se fete molomo, le takataka ga Modukanele re di eteletseng, ga gona khansele epe e

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madi a yone a boileng. Fa e le sengwe a tlhaetse ka fa dirwa, ka yone Public Private Partnership (PPP) e a e ke itseng ka teng, re bo re ye kwa Ministry wa Finance buang e. Fa re kgonneng teng go bona bangwe, re partner re re kwa dikhanseleng ga e a lala e robetse. A a boileng le bone, ga gona gope fa Goromente wa ga Domkrag ga ke a itse, billions tse letsatsi leno motlotlegi a buang a kileng a kwala teng a re, ga ke batle go bona ope, e ka tsone. Ke kopa gore mafoko a motlotlegi a a buang a, bile ke sone se e leng gore le bo Tautona, go simolola tota o ka bo a sa a bue, ka gore le ene o a itse nnake gore fela ka Tautona Mogae, ba ne ba ntse ba tswa, ba ya go ga a bue boammaaruri. leka go ngoka bagwebi koo ba ba ka tlang ba partner le Batswana. Mo nakong ya gompieno, Goromente wa ga Ga re a tshwanela gore mo seemong se se ntseng jaana, Domkrag, Cabinet e tsere tshwetso ya gore bape ba ba re bo re tswa ka dinatetshapuo, tse di ka timetsang tlang fano ba tlile go dira kgwebo, seabe sa Batswana e Batswana ba re, madi mangwe a boile. Tseo ke dikgang nne 60 per cent. Ke tshwetso e e tserweng, ka gore ke tsa seterata nnaka, a re tswe mo go tsone re lebe dilo tse Goromente wa ga Domkrag a neng a di solofetsa boammaaruri, e re fa re buelela setšhaba, re se buelele Batswana gore ke ya go leka go dira tse, go tokafatsa ka go bua boammaaruri. E seng go leka go tladika ba matshelo a lona. bangwe ka go tlhoka le go bua boammaaruri. Re lemogile le mo dikonterakeng dingwe tse di neng tsa HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... dirwa kwa morago, ga ke na go di bua ka maina, kwa nne le seabe sa ga Goromente se le kwa tlase. Ka nako MR AUTLWETSE: A reng Kodibeleng? eo re ne re dirwa ke lechono ka gore re ne re sena se re HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… nang naso, e le gore re a ba rapela, gore tlang le dire le tlaa re neela 30 per cent le tsaya 70 per cent. Jaanong MR AUTLWETSE: Gakere o utlwa gore jaanong yo mo nakong ya gompieno ra re, 60 per cent. nnake le ene o bua bochekwane fa. A re ke tsere madi Re tlhofofaditse le ditsela tse Batswana ba ba leng teng, a clinic ya Kodibeleng, ke a tsaya kae? A beilwe ke ba ka kgona gore ba dire dikgwebo ka tsone. Tse di mang fa kae? Gakere o utlwa gore jaanong go tlhabiwa tshwanang light trade licences, let us dissolve licensing mainane. Jaanong o itira sojwane, mme ke motho yo ke committee. Licence e tsewe fela by the counter. Gore mo tlotlang thata. Ga ke itse gore letsatsi leno go tsene madiadia a a ntseng a le teng a gore ke kopile (apply) eng mo go ene. Ke mongwe wa batho ba ke ba tlotlang licence jaanong a tswe. Motswana a tle fela on the thata, ene le Moswaane. Letsatsi leno ga ke itse gore counter, a bo a re ke batla licence ya general dealer kana ya sennanne. bolwetse jo bo tsenyeng mo go bone ke jo gotweng mang. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... MR AUTLWETSE: Fa e le sengwe go tle go nne le MR AUTLWETSE: Gakere o a mo utlwa, ee, ke bothata jwa gore that place is overtraded. Ke tse rona re itse go ntse jalo. Jaanong Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa di dirang Motlotlegi Molale, Motlotlegi wa Trade Mma Palamente, ke ne ke re ke bue a, metlae, dinatetshapuo, Serame, Honourable Modukanele, ke tsone tse rona re matshamekwane otlhe, tse a re se ka ra di tsenya mo di tshwereng tseo. Jaanong dilo tse, ke tse di neng tsa teng ga go leka go tsietsa setšhaba ka tsone. Re dire solofetswa mo manifesto wa party ya ga Domkrag gore dilo tseo re le kwa ditlhareng, ka gore ke gone kwa re tla tlhofofaletsa Batswana gore go nne motlhofo mo bochekwane bo dirwang teng. Fa re tla go tsena fa, re go bone gore ba dire dikgwebo, ba tle ba hire Batswana itse gore re bua ka matshelo a batho. Ga re a tshwanela ba bangwe. Ba iphire, ba bo ba hire le ba bangwe. Ke go kapisa matshelo a batho, re tshwanetse gore se re se rata selo se, e se ka ya nna thuto e e felelang mo baneng direlang Batswana re tsenye moko mo nameng, re bo re fela. Le bana ba graduates ba gompieno ba sa berekeng, ba bolelele boammaaruri ka dipaka tsotlhe, gore seemo a re ba rotloetseng re le Mapalamente a bone gore ke se, se se ka kgonagala, se ga se ka ke sa kgonagala. ikgobokanyeng.

Motlotlegi mmotlana ke mo rata thata, Leader of Ga le yo lefatshe le le kgonang go hira bana ba lone botlhe. the Opposition. O letse a bua gore Goromente wa ga Setswana sa re, “le goora motho le thebephatshwa.” Domkrag o ka bo a dira construction go tlhamela Morafe o mosweu o re nang le one mono o, morafe Batswana ditiro. E emisitswe ke mang? E emisitswe ke mongwe o montsho o o tshwanang le rona, ba re nwang mang jaaka fa re bua re riana? Dikago di tsweletse di a le bone mono mo, ga se gore ga ba rate magabone, ba a

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bona gore kwa ba leng teng, kwa ba go tswang, ga e a Mmusi. Kagiso Mmusi, bolelela setšhaba gore wa re o lala e robetse. Ba bona e kete go ka nna botoka kwano, senka eng kwa diphologolong fa o setse o bolaya batho re jaaka fa gompieno all private English medium schools go kgalemetse? Re go kgalemetse gore tiro e, ga o e itse, ke tsa batho ba ba tswang kwa mafatsheng a sele, mme e itsiwe ke ba diphologolo, tswaya mo diphologolong. re na le barutabana ba mo nakong ya gompieno ba iseng Bona gore jaanong o re bakela melato le mafatshe a re ba bone tiro. A re ba rotloetseng bana ba ke ba rona. bapileng le one. Minister Mma Kereng le ene a eme ka dinao a tlhalosetse setšhaba gore go tla jang gore a lese Engineers ba ba tshwanang le bo Lesaso, ke bone ba ba Motlotlegi Rre Kagiso Mmusi a mo tseela tiro ya go ka bong ba kgobokanya ba bangwe gore e nne bone ba tlhokomela diphologolo. Mr Speaker, re bua ka kgang e ba dirang dikonteraka, ba ntshetse batswakwa kwa ntle. e masisi. Re bua ka batho ba ba bolailweng ba lefatshe Jaanong o fa, a re madi a clinic Autlwetse o a tsere. Fa la Namibia. Ba bolaelwa mo Botswana go se na bosupi ba mo reeditse ba Mokgenene, a bua yone metlae e, a ba jwa molato wa bone. bona fa ba itiretse tshiamo? HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... MR NKAWANA: Re tshwanetse ra itse gore Namibia HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… ke lefatshe le re bapileng le lone. Namibia is not just our neighbour, the inhabitants of that country are our MR AUTLWETSE: Gakere o a mo utlwa. Fa o utlwa brothers, sisters, cousins, mothers and fathers. The a re madi a constituency, o raya a a sa a dirisang, le death of one Namibian caused by a Motswana gives us gompieno a ntse a kwa Mahalapye Sub-District. Fa o a lot of pain. We are not going to derive any satisfaction mmona a le fa jaana, ke mo reile ka re, bogolo a tle kwa out of death of any Namibian. Mr Speaker, ke boletse ga Domkrag ke tle ke mo rute tsamaiso. maloba ke eme gone fa gore, le neela batho tiro e e seng HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… ya bone, e bile ga ba molato gore e bo e ba paletse, kgotsa ba e dirile ka fa ba e dirileng ka teng. Molato is MR AUTLWETSE: Ga a itse tsamaiso ya madi, e the commander at the time, between Mmusi and Mma itsiwe ke nna, he is an engineer. Ke itumelela gore fa ke Kereng who ordered the shooting. Mma Kereng le ka mo ruta tsamaiso ya madi, o tlaa nna Mopalamente Rre Mmusi ba adimane babereki, ba tseelane babereki wa tlhwatlhwa, a le kwa Domkrag e seng a le kafa. Ke kgotsa ditiro ba dira molato o o masisi o, bone ba! Re mongwe wa batho ba ke ba ratang thata. Motsamaisa a utlwa mo dipegong gore batho ba ba bolailweng ke Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, mma ke eme gone fa, ke fe batshwaraditlhapi. With your permission Mr Speaker, ke ba bangwe tiro. kopa go ntsha ka gore ga ke kgone go bua ke a hupela…

MR NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): Mma MR SPEAKER: Ga ke itse ka go kile ga gakololwa ke go leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente wa gore we should try to… gompieno. Ke go lebogele gore o bo o mphile sebaka. MR NKAWANA: Ga ke a bapa le ope Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, keletso ya me ke gore ke arabe pego ya ga Tautona e a e re neetseng ka Mosupologo. Ke kope mo MR SPEAKER: Okay. go wena gore o ntetlelele ke simolole fa go babang teng, fa pitsa e fisang teng. Mo bosheng, re amogetse dipego MR NKAWANA: I thank you. Ba ba sa itseng tse di buang ka batho ba ba suleng ba lefatshe le sele tsamaiso ya tiro e, dingwaga di ka nna four go ya kwa mme ba bolailwe ke la Botswana. Mma ke itlhaganelele morago, badisadiphologolo ba tshwere ditlhobolo go supa gore, ga ke reye gore masole a rona a molato ba kile ba tshwarwa kwa Zimbabwe. They were not ka ba dira tiro ka go tsaya ditaelo tsa boeteledipele jwa shot at and killed. Ga ba a ka ba bolawa ke ope. Ba bone. Ke eletsa go supa gore masole a rona ga ba a tshwerwe, ba botsolotswa dipotso, ba ipega, mafatshe itseela dithata, e bile ke batho ba ba nang le boitshwaro, oo mabedi a buisana ba boela mo gae. Ga re na ba ba professional. setopo sa modisadiphologolo yo o bolaetsweng kwa lefatsheng le sele. Ga re na Motswana wa poacher yo Ke batla go supa moeteledipele wa Lephata la o bolaetsweng kwa Namibia, Zimbabwe le Botswana. Diphologolo, Motlotlegi Kereng ka monwana ke re, o Ga re na ditopo tseo. Ga re na story se se ntseng jaana. madimatsogong, ene mme yo. Ke batla gore fa e le gore Ga re na setopo sa motho yo o suleng, yo o kileng a o a itlhotlhora, ke lebaganye molato o le Rre Kagiso bolawa ke badisadiphologolo le fa ba santse ba tshwere

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ditlhobolo tse ba neng ba di tshwere. Tiro ya bone e ba e eng mo a gagametseng mo go kanakana a omana mo rutetsweng, e ba e itseng, e ba e dirang ka matsetseleko, Palamenteng e, a ne a sa omanele leso la ngwana wa ke go tshwara a wrong doer, a criminal and bring them Motswana. Go a re gakgamatsa Mr Speaker. to justice, for the courts to decide. Rona re itse gore mo molaong wa lefatshe la Botswana, motho yo o molato MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molao, there is nothing o a tshwarwa, a isiwe kwa dikgotlatshekelong kwa a unprocedural about that. Honourable Kgoberego tla a fetang a kgona go ipuelelela. Tse tsa bo execution, Nkawana. shoot at first sight and kill ke tse di tlang ka bone ba. Bo MR NKAWANA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Re bona Motlotlegi Molao ba ba ntseng ba tlhalosa mekgwa ya batho ba lefatshe la Namibia fela jaaka ba Botswana bone e mengwe e ke palelwang ke go e bua. Mekgwa ba ka tlolela kwa Trans-Vaal kwa South Africa ka fa ga ya bone re ntse re e utlwa Honourable Moswaane a e rona ka fa; Limpopo kana ba tlola kwa… tlhalosa, ga ke kgone go e bua mme bone ba a e itse. Mr Speaker, ga re ka ke ra nna batho ba re kgotlakgotlang re ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL itsiwe ka polao. Ga re batho ba mofuta oo. Re simolola DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MS go bona ditopo gompieno. MANAKE): On a point of procedure Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke botsa gore a go mo tsamaisong ya Palamente e HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… gore re buisanye (debate) selo se e leng gore ga se mo MR NKAWANA: Hei! MaNamibia ke batsadi ba State of the Nation Address? Ke ne ke ipolelela gore re rona, bana ba rona, bommaarona, bontsalaarona le buisa SONA fa, jaanong ke utlwa dikgang e se… ke kile bokgaitsadiarona. Ga ke ise ke bone mo botshelong, fa ka re ke batla paragraph ya teng fa ga ke e bone. Ke a e se fela kwa kgaolong ya gago Honourable Molao… leboga Mr Speaker. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, ke kopa gore MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, le tlogele Rre Nkawana a bue please, because ga gona SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR sepe kwa Standing Orders se se ka ntirang gore ke mo RAKGARE): On a point of procedure. Mr Speaker, emise. a mme gone fa re lebile ditsamaiso tsa Ntlo e, go babalela ditirisano magareng ga mafatshe; lefatshe MR NKAWANA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Mme yo o la Botswana le la Namibia, e bile gape re lebile gore ne a tla a rwele beke morago ga ditlhopho a sa ipapatsa kgang e Honourable Nkawana a buang ka yone, ke e (campaign), ke mo romela kwa go page 63 kwa Tautona boTautona ba mafatshe a mabedi a, ba setseng ba supile a buang ka sesole sa Botswana. She must learn to read; fa ba ntshitse statements gore go dirwe investigation. a se ka a tla a rwele beke fela a se na kgaolo, a tla go re A go maleba gore motlotlegi a tswelele a ntse a bua bolelela gore a ke procedure... dikgang tse a batla go feretlha? Ga ke dumele gore it is procedural. Ke a leboga. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure Mr MR NKAWANA: Mr Speaker, re bona batho ba dira Speaker. tse ba di dirang jaaka gompieno go diragetse, mme re a utlwa gore gatwe e ne e le batshwara ditlhapi. Re a MR SPEAKER: Iketle pele ke tle ke dire ruling on this utlwa gore batho ba jaaka dikgang di bua, ba bolailwe one. In terms of the Standing Orders, ga gona sepe se se ke masole a Botswana ka taelo ya bo Ministers ba ke sa ka mo emisang. tswang go ba supa fa ka ke bone ba ba eteletseng pele. Mr Speaker, o ka botsa potso gore… MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MOLAO): Further procedure Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, ASSISTANT MINISTER OF TERTIARY ke a leboga. Le fa re le fa jaana, kana mo ngwageng EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND one o fela go ise go ye kgakala, re na le ngwana wa TECHNOLOGY (MR SHAMUKUNI): On a point lesole yo o neng a bolawa ke poachers a ya go fitlhiwa of order Mr Speaker. Ke tseela gore the Honourable kwa Motokwe, mme ga re ise re bone Mopalamente a Member is out of order for him to suggest gore the gagametse jaaka a gagametse, a kgala ka fa ngwana wa Honourable Ministers here ordered gore masole ba rona wa lesole wa Motswana a bolailweng ke poachers bolae batho ba kwa Namibia. I think he is misleading ka teng. Re a bo re gakgamala gore gompieno o filwe the House and the nation and ke kopa gore a boele

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mafoko ao kwa morago. That is a reckless statement. out of order. Can we request Honourable Kgoberego Nkawana to go on. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, ke na le mathata le lona because you are trying to push me into MR NKAWANA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke lebogela something that I cannot do. Golo fa re bua ka freedom tshireletso ya gago thata. I have no regrets of what I of speech which has to be protected so I cannot stop said and I am not going to withdraw and I put it to you Honourable Kgoberego Nkawana from saying what he Honourable Minister Kagiso Mmusi… wants to say. Le ka mo gakolola as Honourable Members gore ga a bue sentle but he is not out of order. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC MR NKAWANA: …(Laughter!)… ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): On a point of order Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, ga e ka ke ya ACTING LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR re re le mo Ntlong e re reeditse sentle fela ka ditsebe MOLALE): On a point of procedure Mr Speaker. tsa rona, Honourable Nkawana a bo a re Honourable Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. A few moments ago, you Kereng le Honourable Mmusi ba laetse gore batho made an assertion that if the Honourable Member is bangwe ba ye go bolawa, re ntse re itse gore ga se misleading the House, there is nothing that we can do. boammaaruri. This is misleading. Ke statement se se I think Mr Speaker, gongwe reconsider that statement reckless. Kopo ya me ke gore freedom of speech ga go ka gore the very act of misleading the House is itself reye gore o tshwanetse o bo o ka re the whole Cabinet out of procedure ka gore he has been challenged by Minister, Member of Parliament; go bo go buiwa mo Honourable Morwaeng and others gore nnyaa, that is Palamenteng mafoko a e seng one re a reeditse. Kopo out of procedure. The act of misleading is indeed out of ya me ke gore a a boele morago ka gore ga se gone. Le procedure. Ke a leboga. fa a ntse a na le freedom of speech, mme mafoko a one a MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, tlang ke eme a boele kwa morago. ka dinao. Every Member of this House is entitled to HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… freedom of speech and if somebody stands in this House and makes a statement that a Member feels that it is HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. misleading, then you need to correct that statement. You have to stand on a point of correction if they allow you HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of order Mr to correct. You cannot say the person is out of order Speaker. because if you strictly look at the Standing Orders, there MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, iketleng pele. is nothing that deprives somebody to have freedom Let me make a ruling ka kgang e pele. I am repeating of opinion and speech. That is what I am saying, so this; there is nothing out of order about his statements. I cannot make any ruling. Maybe I need to seek the He could be misleading the nation but he is not out of advice from Parliamentary Counsel (PC) to guide order. us. Is there anything in the Standing Orders that says somebody’s opinion can be challenged by asking that HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… person to withdraw the statement? He is simply making a statement that according to him believes is correct and MR HIKUAMA: On a point of order Mr Speaker. Ke somebody has to correct it. In terms of the Standing a leboga Mr Speaker. I think fa re lebelela the sensitivity Orders, I cannot stop him. Where is the PC? Unless of this matter, go itsa dikabelelo le go tla ka statements there is something in the Standing Orders that we can gongwe tse di setsweng mo metsweding ya dikgang, it use to say Honourable Nkawana should withdraw the is in order gore Minister yo o lebaneng a tlhalose gore statement that he has made. go diragetse eng. He should update the House gore go diragetse eng. Ke sone se se ka itsang batho go ka bua HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of procedure ka sone but go itsa batho go bua… Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: What is out of order? Honourable MR SPEAKER: I think I have to seek the advice from Hikuama, can you sit down because there is nothing the Parliamentary Counsel.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker; a builwe mo Palamenteng e Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga. I ask for procedure. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member, I also know MR SPEAKER: Hold on. Can I seek the advice from that this is a very sensitive matter, and I do not know the PC because as far as I am concerned... why Honourable Nkawana chose to take so much time talking about this thing because I thought he was just HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… going to pass through it and then continue with the …Silence… debate, but he decided to dwell on it, and I do not know why. Like I said, because there is nothing in the Standing MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, since the State Order that says I can stop you, the duty of the Speaker Counsel is not here, what I am going to do is to appease is to protect freedom of speech in this House; that is the us because like I said, I am very clear in my head that fundamental duty of the Speaker. If somebody decides there is no Standing Order that can actually make me to say something which probably the House does not stop him from speaking, but if there is any legal advice, believe in that, there is little that I can do to stop that then I have the service of the Legal Advisor, but because person. Let me ask the Counsel to help me. she is not here, can we pause, wait for the Counsel and then allow Honourable Nkawana to go… MR TSOGWANE: Procedure. Thank Mr Speaker. Tlaa ke leke go go thusa Mr Speaker, I am not on the MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR procedure ya gore Nkawana a bo a ganeletse mo go PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT bueng kgang e ka o bua maikutlo a gagwe, e bile o itse (MR BALOPI): Procedure. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. gore o bua polotiki ya gagwe. Wena thata ya gago mo Ke ema fa on a point of procedure, mme segolobogolo Ntlong e, rotlhe re go lebile gore o ya go sireletsa ene ke itebagantse le kgang e e buiwang ke Rre Nkawana. yo o buang, mme e bile o ya go bona gape gore there is Palamente e ke yone e e dirileng ditsetlana tse di no abuse, (underline that) ka gore fa ke tla to abuse my tsamaisang molao wa rona ka fa re neelanang ka right to speak mo Ntlong, it is upon the Speaker to ensure teng, kana re tshela le mafatshe a mangwe ka teng mo that abuse is not …(Inaudible)... So, it is upon you gore dikgannyeng tse di farologanang tse e leng gore di a re Ntlo e e tsamae sentle. If somebody insists jaaka a dira, ama re le lefatshe, di ama mafatshe, segolobogolo re e bile o bona gore o buela ruri mo kgannyeng e, go mo lebile lefatshe lone le a le umakang, le e leng baagisanyi go wena to rule. Procedure e lebagane le wena gore a ba rona, ba re setseng re na le ditumalano tse di teng, e Ntlo e e santse e le mo tsamaisong ka fa rre yo a buang le melao e re e dirileng, e e supang gore re le lefatshe, re kgang e ka teng, reckless as it is. Ke raya gore ga re mo tla tshedisanya le mafatshe a mangwe jang. Ka jalo, fa e go reng he is right or wrong, gongwe ene o a itse gore le rona gape mo Palamenteng e Mr Speaker, re batlang batho bao ke bone who ordered, gongwe o na le bosupi, gore re tle go bua dikgang di santse di setswe morago, di e kare fa o mo kopa gore a re bolelele gore Ministers tlhotlhomisiwa ka fa tsamaisong e e teng mo lefatsheng, have ordered jalo, o ka bo ntsha. Batho ba tlhola ba ke bona go le boatla, e bile gore ba re lefatshe le e batliwa bosupi just because they were out of procedure keteng ga re ba boikarabelo le Palamente ya rona e e e bile they were misleading. Jaanong go mo go wena dirileng tsamaiso e e teng ya gore re e sale morago. E gore o bone gore Ntlo e ya gago o e tsamaisa sentle, you re re ntse re itse gore kgang e e setswe morago, re bo protect the freedom of the minority or the speech, but the re e atlafatsa ka go nna re e tsenya mo maranyaneng re abuse must also be identified and you must deal with it. le Mapalamente, re bua ka yone re fetola tse Tautona I thank you Mr Speaker. a neng a bua ka tsone, segolobogolo ka gore re fetola mafoko a Tautona a neng a a bua mo Palamenteng a a MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members ke kopile baya setšhaba pele. Ke dumela gore tsamaiso e re… advice, I am just waiting for the advice.

MR MOSWAANE: Where is his procedure Mr MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC Speaker? DEVELOPMENT (DR MATSHEKA): Procedure. Thank you Mr Speaker. Earlier on Mr Speaker, one of MR BALOPI: This is unprocedural because we are a the Members asked Honourable Nkawana to confine Parliament that established all these laws tse di teng himself to the subject under discussion; which is the tse di tsamaisang lefatshe la rona. Ka jalo, ke ne ke State of the Nation Address, and he did quite rightly point kopa gore mafoko a a tswe gotlhelele mo go reng a bo out to a paragraph on the defence which is consistent

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with Section 57.1 or Standing Order 57.1, that he stick MR NKAWANA: How? into that. The objection here is that notwithstanding his adherence to Standing Order 57.1, there is a Standing MR SPEAKER: Because you have mentioned names Order 57.5 where the Member has proceeded to impute of Ministers saying that they have actually instructed improper motives to Members of this Cabinet, to ...(Inaudible)… instructions to those people. Can you Honourable Mmusi and Honourable Kereng suggesting give evidence to that effect or withdraw, that it my final that the outcomes of an operation that we are not privy word. to were actually condoned and afforded by their lack HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker! of care and due process. We find that to be totally inconsistent with the spirit of this particular Standing HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. Order, and I ask you to ask him to withdraw. Thank you. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Thank you Mr MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, Honourable Speaker… Nkawana actually mentioned the Minister of Defence and also the Minister of Environment, Wildlife and MR SPEAKER: I am still working on the ruling Tourism, and I want to maybe following the Standing Tshabang, Honourable Nkawana go ahead. Order 57.5 which you have rightly quoted there Honourable Matsheka, I can do two things; ask the MR NKAWANA: Thank you Mr Speaker. Yes, I have Minister of Defence to stand up and defend himself the evidence that Honourable Kagiso Mmusi is the head because he was actually making improper motives against him. Let me just use this moment to ask the of the military... Minister because I have two options… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR MOSWAANE: The Minister does not want to MR NKAWANA: It is public knowledge, they are speak about this. political leaders. The second one... MR SPEAKER: If you are not comfortable with that… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Nkawana… MR MOSWAANE: The Minister ga a batle go bua, o HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr a mo pateletsa. Speaker. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moswaane! I want to implore Honourable Nkawana because in terms of MR SPEAKER: Honourable Nkawana… Standing Order 57.5 he has imputed some improper MR SPEAKER: Honourable Nkawana, you are now motives to another Member saying they gave instruction. unnecessarily… Two things, either to give evidence or withdraw. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure! MR SPEAKER: …delaying this. Can you withdraw MR NKAWANA: Ga ke a utlwa tshwetso ya gago, or give evidence because what you are saying is not mme fa e le gore o e tsere ke ise ke digele se ke se buang evidence. mabapi le batho bao, that is very unjust. Ga ke ise ke digele se ke se buang, but fa e le gore wa re ke dire jalo MR NKAWANA: Mr Speaker, ke tlaa tsoga ke tla o sa nkutlwa gore ka reng kwa bofelong jwa kgang e, it ka pampiri e e supang gore they have been appointed will be very unfair. Allow me to present… Ministers in those ministries both of them that is the evidence I have… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a ise a utlwe gore wa reng. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order.

MR NKAWANA: Allow me to present because ga o MR NKAWANA: They are the ones who actually ise o… control and give instructions. I have said that Mma Kereng and Honourable Mmusi, bobedi jwa bone bo MR SPEAKER: Honourable Nkawana, I think one of laola babereki gore ba bereke jang. my duties in the House as well is to ensure that there is peace. So, for the sake of peace... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, point of on us as the National Assembly of Botswana and as the order. Republic ya Botswana. We cannot allow gore freedom of speech be abused fela jaaka Rre Nkawana a dira, it HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. is it really unfair, and we cannot allow him to proceed MR NKAWANA: The evidence that I have is that they along those lines, re a kopa Mr Speaker. do not work in a vacuum, they… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further point of order.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Point of order Honourable Molao. HONOURABLE MEMBER: It is very reckless.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, a ga o re MR SPEAKER: Mma ke bue Setswana gore Motswana supe rona? mongwe le mongwe kwa a leng teng a nkutlwe. E rile HONOURABLE MEMBER: It is deliberate. fa ke simolola kgang ka re, e rile fa Rre Nkawana a simolola statement sa gagwe, I thought he was just MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR going to go through it, ke lebeletse bogolo jwa gagwe le MOLAO): Point of order. Mr Speaker, ke tlholontšha gore ke motlotlegi... mo Ntlong e gore e re le fa the Standing Orders di tlhalosa gore when the Speaker has made a ruling it HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... shall be obeyed, ga gona fa e fang tetla ya gore motho MR SPEAKER: Ntheetsang! Ke Motlotlegi, o na le yo o mo reileng wa re boela mafoko a gago kwa morago patriotism e bile o tlhaloganya gore diemo tse di ntseng a bo a simolola a ngangisana le wena a sa dumalane le jaana are diplomatic issues. So, I thought he was just tshwetso e o tsereng. going to pass through it a bo a tsena mo SONA, but he decided to stay there mme e le gore jaaka ke ne ke bua, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… fa ke leba the Standing Orders ke ne ke ithaya ke re I am protecting freedom of speech, but in the process he MR MOLAO: That is one, fa o tsere tshwetso e a violated Standing Order 57.5; improper motives on the obamelwa. The second thing ke gore the import of other Member, picking up the Ministers a sa re maina a what Honourable Nkawana was saying a re batho ba bone, a sa re Mmusi, o rile le Kereng. filwe an order by the Minister, a bo a re o fa evidence ka gore Minister ke Minister who is responsible for HONOURABLE MEMBER: A mme nna o buile ka ga Defence, ga e ka ke ya nna bosupi Mr Speaker, unless nna Mr Speaker? Rre Nkawana a batla go raya Ntlo e a re fa masole ba tshotse ditlhobolo ba le kwa ba leng teng and encounter MR SPEAKER: I have made a ruling ya gore Rre a danger or whatever, kooteng ba a leletsa Minister pele Nkawana a withdraw statement sa gagwe kana a ntshe gore a re hule, a bo a bo a re ee, hulang. That is the bosupi, a se ka a nthaya a re bosupi jwa gagwe ke gore ba only way the Minister would have given instruction gore eteletse maphata ao. Ke kopa gore a ntshe evidence gore shoot and kill them, otherwise ga gona ka fa Minister o na le whatever evidence, otherwise he will be pushing would have given an instruction ka teng. me into invoking Standing Order 60.2 ke mmontshe tsela, ke …(Inaudible)…mo go ene. For the Member to purport here gore Minister o file an instruction, it is very reckless and go nyenyafatsa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. boleng jwa Palamente e Mr Speaker. Se re se kopang ke MR SPEAKER: Rre Nkawana, can you withdraw the gore re tshwanetse go sireletsa Palamente e ka gore ba Statement or give this House evidence to that effect. ba re reeditseng kwa ntle are looking at this Parliament and saying oh, go riana kwa Palamenteng ya Botswana MR NKAWANA: Thank you Mr Speaker. I need Ministers can give such reckless instructions for people your guidance ka gore ga ke a e tshwara fa, but if it is to willy-nilly shoot and kill. Re kopa gore go sireletsa allowed I can bring it tomorrow. I need your guidance, I seriti sa Palamente e, Rre Nkawana must really desist can provide evidence. from his line of debate ka gore ga e na boammaaruri. That is all we are asking ka gore we are the National MR SPEAKER: Honourable Nkawana, ke rile Assembly of Botswana, dilo tse a di buang tse reflect withdraw or give evidence. What you said is not

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evidence enough at all so, withdraw your statement or Speaker. give evidence. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. MR MOTSAMAI: Point of order. A re riana bagaetsho, Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re Rre Nkawana o utlwile… HONOURABLE MEMBER: You have the right to take the floor away from himfa a dira jaana Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ga go a nna jalo MR MOTSAMAI: …mme fela jaaka fela Ntlo e tlhola Molao… e dira, le mo neele chance ya gore e re kamoso...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: You cannot be… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …le tshosetsa Mr ACTING LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR Speaker jaanong. MOLALE): Point of order. Mr Speaker...

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Nkawana, I will ask you MR MOTSAMAI: Ke eme ka point of order, ga a ka ke to withdraw the statement or give evidence, otherwise… a mpaya fa fatshe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. Speaker. MR SPEAKER: Order! Order!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure. MR MOTSAMAI: Ke eme ka point of order…

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Nkawana, I said you HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. should withdraw… MR MOTSAMAI: …le wena o re point of order. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure Mr Speaker. MR SPEAKER: Leader of the House can you…Sit down first. MR SPEAKER: …your statement or give evidence. If HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. you cannot do the two, I am going to stop you from talking. MR SPEAKER: Let him finish what he is saying. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Throw him out. HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... MR NKAWANA: Mr Speaker, I am not in a position to withdraw. I have the evidence, unfortunately not with MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai… me now, but I can bring it tomorrow... MR MOTSAMAI: Sir. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Yes, that is the procedure. You can…(Inaudible)…tomorrow. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai go on because you are now, ke gore wa re o ema ka point of procedure, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure Mr but you now start by telling a story, can you just tell me Speaker. what is your point of procedure.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. MR MOTSAMAI: Ke ne ke ka se ke ke eme fela Mr Speaker ke bo ke didimala. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. MR MOTSAMAI: Ke gore ke eme ke bo ke bua gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr ka reng.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR MOTSAMAI: Se ke se buang ke gore ke kopile Rre Nkawana… MR MOSWAANE: Point of procedure. Ke ne ke re re thusane mogolole jaaka o tshwere ka koo. Ke setlwaedi HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. sa Ntlo e gore fa motho a batla go tlisa kamoso, he can MR MOTSAMAI: …gore a fokotse dikgang tseo a tle leave that subject and talk about something else. So, le a tswelele le puisano jaaka o mo kopa Mr Speaker, mme dirisa section efe e e mo itsang gore a se ka… se ke se kopang gape gore o mo fe nakwana ya kamoso MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moswaane, I have made gore a go neele bosupi… a ruling.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. MR MOSWAANE: Nnyaa, ke ne ke ipotsa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr MR SPEAKER: I have made a ruling. Speaker. MR MOSWAANE: But justify! MR MOTSAMAI: …ke sone se ke se buang. So, ba ba kafa ba are entertaining tlhakatlhakano. MR SPEAKER: I have made a ruling.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. MR MOSWAANE: Nnyaa, ke kgokgontsho.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Speaker. MR SPEAKER: Point of order Honourable Leader of MR MOTSAMAI: Ke kopa gore re go tlotle Mr the House. Speaker… MR MOSWAANE: Kana jaanong o tshaba ruling HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. party. Ah!

MR MOTSAMAI: …re go thuse go tsamaisa. MR MOLALE: Point of order. Mr Speaker, with due respect, ke ne ke kopa through you kgakololo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. ya the Legal Counsel. Ordinarily, one would have HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. thought point of order takes precedence over a point of procedure ka gore order e a bo e le go leka go busetsa MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, my final ruling dilo mo taolong, e seng mo tsamaisong. Jaanong re ntse is; Honourable Nkawana is saying he has got evidence re leka go bua ka a point of order fa, mabapi le kgang e and he will bring it tomorrow. Now, I am going to stop him from talking. o neng o emeleditse Honourable Motsamai le kgang e e neng e buiwa ke Honourable Nkawana. Mo dinakong HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. tse tsotlhe, ke supa fela gore go ne go diragala eng, o ne o fa ba point of procedure, rona ba point of order o kare MR SPEAKER: The floor is open for debate. re beetswe kwa morago. So, ke ne ke kopa tlhaloso eo. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Leader of the House, kana mathata a lona ke gore, ke lona le tlhakatlhakanyang HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure Mr Ntlo. E tlaabo motho a ema a re point of order, yo Speaker. mongwe a re point of procedure, kgantele ga o itse gore MR SPEAKER: The floor is open for debate. ke mang yo a neng a re point of order le yo a neng a re point of procedure. So, ke lona le nketshang mo tseleng. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure Mr The floor is open for debate. Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. Speaker.

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MR MATHOOTHE (SEROWE NORTH): Thank tsa gore re tshwanetse ra lema dijo tsa dikgomo. Ke you Mr Speaker. Ke re le nna ke tsene mo puisanong thulaganyo e e siameng thata gore jaanong ba bo ba ka kana pego e re e beilweng pele ke Tautona. Mafoko a e sekaseka. Ga ba a tshwanela gore ba tseye lebaka le le ke simololang ka one ke go itebaganya le tsa lefatshe, leele mo go yone ka gore lefatshe la Botswana gompieno bogolo jang ke lebile the Revised Botswana Land Policy le babaletswe ke bolwetse jwa COVID-19. Se se raya ya July 2019, e ke tsayang gore e santse e le ntšha mme gore ba tshwanetse ba itlhaganelele gore Batswana ba e setse e supa gore e na le dikgwetlho tse di tlhokanang dire dijo, ba jese lefatshe la Botswana. le gore di baakanngwe. Fa ke e lebelela jaana, go nthaya gore policies tsa rona gongwe fa re di dira, ga re tseye Kgang e nngwe e a e tlhalositseng… dithulaganyo tse di maleba tsa gore all the stakeholders MR SPEAKER: Order! Honourable Members, as it is di bo di ka e lebelela go re akaretsa rotlhe mo sengweng now 6 o’clock, I shall now call upon the Leader of the le sengweng. Go a gakgamatsa gore e re e ne e amogelwa House to move a Motion of adjournment. maabane jaana ka July 2019, e bo e setse e supile gore go na le dingwe tse di tlhokafalang gore di baakanngwe MOTION mo teng. ADJOURNMENT Ke dumalane le bakaulengwe gore go a tlhokafala gore fa re bua ka ditsha tsa bonno, go botlhokwa thata gore ACTING LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR Minister Mzwinila a bo a supile gore ba ya go sekaseka MOLALE): Thank you Mr Speaker. I move that this gore ba nne ba lebelele dingwe ditsamaiso tsa gore House do now adjourn. Thank you. Goromente a simolole pele a re o ya to service ditsha tsa Question put and agreed to. bonno, gore go tle go itlhaganedise go bewa batho ditsha. Thulaganyo e e ntseng jalo, ke yone e re tswang kgakala The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:00 p.m. until re e supa, bogolo jang fa ke lebile kwa dikgaolong tsa Friday 13th November, 2020 at 9:00 a.m. me tse gongwe di leng kgakala le ditlamelo. Fa o tsaya metse e tshwana le bo Gojwane, Moremabele, Serule, Majwanaadipitse le Tshimoyapula, o fitlhela ba na le mafelo a ba ka bayang ditsha teng, kgang e bo e nna gone go emela pele gore go tsenngwe ditlamelo. Golo moo ke gone mo go tlaabong go dia gore batho ba neelwe ditsha. Ke ntlha e e botlhokwa thata gore ba e tlise ka pela gore Batswana ba tle ba bone ditsha.

Kgang e nngwe e ke neng ka e bua mo Palamenteng e e fetileng ke ya gore go sekasekwe the distance fa gare ga didiba, gore e bo e rile Rre Mzwinila a tshwaela, a bo a bona e le nngwe ya dilo tse ba yang go di leba. Ke supe gone gore gongwe gompieno a bo a sa nna manganga, a kgone gore le rona fa re le ka kwano, a re reetse. E ke thulaganyo ya gore re se ka ra iphitlhela e le gore dipolase tse di fiwang bo 6by 6, ka gompieno Batswana ba a di rekisa, e bo jaanong go rekisitswe lefatshe le le kalo. Fa le kgaogantswe jalo, Batswana ba kgona gore ba tlhabolole e le bo 3 by 3. Fa go ntse jalo, Batswana ba kgona go neelwa didiba go sa lebelelwe the distance ya 6 km, go lebeletswe 3 or 4 km mo ba ka nnang le tshwanelo ya gore ba dirise the underground water. Mo nakong ya gompieno go ne go nna bokete gore fa o bone metsi mo sekgeleng sa 3 km go ya fa sedibeng sa yo mongwe se se leng 6 km, o ne o sa kgone gore o ka bewa sediba gore o kgone dithulaganyo tsa ga Goromente

Hansard No 200 55 HANSARD RECORDERS Mr. T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. Kebonang HANSARD REPORTERS Mr M. Buti, Ms Z. Molemi, Mr J. Samunzala, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms G. Baotsi, Ms N. Mokoka

HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa, Ms M. Madubeko

LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B. B. Khumanego, Mr D. T. Batshegi, Mr K. Rebaisakae

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