LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)

Eighth Series, Vol. Ill No. 15 Fridty, March 29,1985 Chaitra 8, 1907 (Saka^

Second Session (Eighth Lok Sabha)

(Vol. I ll contains Nos. 11 to 20)

LOK SABHA SECRETABIAT NEW DELHI Price: Jis. 4.00 [Original English proceedings included in English version and Original Hindi proceedings included in Hindi Version will be treated as authori- tative and not the translation thereof.] CONTENTS

No. 15, Friday, March 29, 1985/ Chaitra 8, 1907 (Saka)

COLUMNS

Oral Answers to Questions ; ... 1— 30 ^Starred Questions Nos. 243, 24 4, 246, 248. and 249 Short Notice Questions No. 1 30— 37

Written Answers to Questions : ... 37-“ 240 Starred Question Nos. 245, 247, & 250 to 262 Uastarred Questions Nos. 1433, 1434, 1436, to 1463, 1465 to 1537, 1539, 1540, 1542 to 1558 and 1560 to . 1578

Papers Laid on the Table , 2 4 1 --2 4 6

Messages from Rajya Sabha ... 246--247 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance^ 247--277 Reported confiscation by Custom Authorities at Bombay Airport of Large amount of U.S. Dollars and Travellers Cheques intended to be deposited in foreign banks. Prof. Madhu Dandavate ... 247

Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh ... 248 Shri Ram Bahadur Singh ... 267 Shri Zainul Basher ... 270 Statement Re. Constitution of Wage Boards for workirg Journalists and non-journalist Newspaper Employees. ... 277— 278 Matters Under Rule 377 ... 278—■283 (i) Need to allacate adequate funds for vaccination of Children against Various diseases. Shrimati Madhuri Singh . . 278

*The sign+marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member,

0) (ii) Need lo re-open the Phulwari Cotton Mills, Patna COLUMNS (Bihar) to save the workers from starvation. Shri C.P. Thakur ... 279 (iii) Need to provide electricity in uoauthoritised colomes in outer Delhi Shri Bharat Singh ... 280 (iv) Need to lake jmmediate steeps for reviving sick and closed ur.ils of West Bengal, Particularly in Howrah Shri Priia Ranjan DasMunsi ... 280 (v) Violation of prescribed lawsby deep sea fishing trawlers by Fishing in Shallow Waters and need to confine their operations to depths exceeding 200 metres. Shri Sorar.ath Rath ... 281 (vi) Rude ar.d unhelpful behaviour cf the Telephone Operators at Sangod (Kota) and need to redress grievances of subscribers and obviate losses to the exchequer

Shri Shanti Dharival ... 282 (vii) Power Crisis in West Bengal and need to consider the offer of Britain and Hungary to Supply T.G. Units andTurbo Generators for CESE and Ramman Hydel Project of West Bengal.

Shri Basudeb Acharia ... 283 Motion Re. Thirty-Sccond ar.d Thirty-Third Reports of the... Union Public Service Commission along with Governmet’s Memorandum on cases of Non-Acceptance of Commission’s Advice mentioned the rein (Contd.- Not concludcd) 284— 294

Shri K. Ramachandra Reddy ... 284

Shri Somnath Rath ... 288 Statement Re. Situation in Sri Lanka ... 294— 296 Motion Re. Thirty-Secord and Thirty-Third Reports of the Union Public Service Commission along with Government’s Memoiandum on cases of Non-Acceptance of Commission’s Advice Mention therein—(Condt.-Not Concluded) 297— 329 Shri Tombi Singh 297 Shri Sudhir Roy 301 Shri Ram Singh Yadav 304 Shri Ram Pyare Panika 310

Shri Giridhar Gomango 314

(ii) COLUMNi Shri K .R. Natarajan ... 319

Shri Mool Chand Daga ... 322 Shri Vijay N. Palil 327 Bill Introduced— ... 329— 386 Constitution (Amendment) Bill ... 329

(Insertion of new article I 6A etc.) Constitution (Amendment) Bill— ... 329— 359 (Amendment of Eighth Schedule) (Negatived) Motion to consider Shri K.D. Sultanpuri ... 3 32 Shri Nerayan Choubey ... 3 34 Shri N. Tombi Singh ... 337 Shri A.K. Sen ... 340

Shri Satyagopal Misra ... 350

Constitution (Amendment) Bill— ... 359— 386 (Omission of Article 44) (Not concluded) Motion to Consider—

Shri G.M. Banatwalla ... 3 54 Shri Virdhi Chander Jain ... 371 Shri Mool Chand Daga ... 374 Shri Y.S. Mahajan ... 380

Shri Mohd. Ayub Khan ... 383 Kumari Marata Banerjee ... 386

(iii) LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA goods Svized at Delhi Airport during the last two years (to-date), year-wise; and

Fridjy, March 29, 1985/ (b) the number of persons apprehen- Chaitra 8, 1907 {Saka) ded in this connection, and the number out of them who are employees of the Indian Airlines/Air India or other Government Departments ? The Lok Sabha met at Eleven o f the Clock THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : (a) and [MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER In the Chair] (b). A statement is laid on the Table of the House. ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Statment [English] (a) and (b) : The total value of smuggled goods seized and the number Seizure of Goods A t Delhi Airport of persons arrested in connection with smuggling activites at Delhi airport and *243. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD the number out of them who are em- SETHI : Will the Minister of FINANCE ployees of Indian Airlines/Air India or be pleased to slate : other Government Departments, during the years 1983, 1984 and 1985 (upto (a) The 'otal value of smuggled 25.3.85) are furnished below :—

{Value : Rs. in lakhs)

Year Value of goods Total number Number of employees of seized of persods Air-India/Indian Airlines or arreested. other Government departments.

1983 131 129 1 1984 464 196 1 1985 90* 36 Nil (upto 25.3.85)

"^In addition, 3 Kgs. of heroin was leized. Oral Answers MARCH 29,1985 Oral Answers

SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI : SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI : Sir, planty of smuggled goods are According to the answer of the Hon. available in the market. May I know Minister, ore employee was involved in from the Hon. Minister which are the the year 198 3 and one employee in the articles mostly smuggled into India, year 1984. I would like to know from and from which countries are they the Minister to whicn Ministry they smuggled ? What action has been taken belong and what action has been taken or is proposed to be taken to check against them or is proposed to b i taken. such smuggling ? May I know, if any special squad has been deployed or is SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : proposed to be deployed for this Sir, in the year 1984, one employee purpose ? from Indian Airlines, one Mr. Prakas Ram was involed and he has been SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : prosecuted. From the Airport Authority Mostly, the goods are smuggled into of India three employees were apprehen- India from Middle-East countries, Arab ded while taking out three bottles of countries, Singapore and Horg Kong. In scotch whisky and 74 dollars. The names regard to the measures being taken to of those employees are Kesar Singh, prevent smugglinp,, we have strengthened Satyanarayan and Raghubir Chand. From the preventive machinery. In addition, Air India three employees by name punitive measures are also being taken. Sudarshan Kumar, Sundar Singh and We haVe strengthened tht- X-ray scann- Prem Kumar were involed. Rs. 1,22,020 ing system. We will further strengthen u'orth of goods were involved. One the intelligence and preventive machinery person was prosecuted and the second as also augment manpower and equip- was detained under the COFEPOSA. ment required for the purpose. We have Regarding the third person, i.e. Prem also increased checks and vigilance. We Kumar, detention order nas been issued, have liberalised the package of awards; but he is absconding. as incentives for the informants. PROF. K.V. THOMAS : I would like to know from the Minister when the ■ We have also introduced three funds smuggled goods are seized, as to what for the welfare of the families of the the method of disposal of these oflBcers who are killed or injured in smuggled goods is. Cooperatives were these operations. Their families will taken as agencies for the purpose of be fully protected. A special fund has disposing of these smuggled goods. also been created for the acquisition of Nowadays these goods which are anti-smuggling equipment. confiscated by the Customs at various air ports and also ports are not being I would also add that smuggling given to the Cooperatives as it was done cannot be prevented totally by preventive earlier. Also, other agencies are coming and punitive measures aloue. We have into the picture. As ?. measure of help- to take some economic measures also. ing the consumer cooperatives, these We have taken certain economic items were given to them for disposal. measures. We have liberalised Indus- The prices are also not tallying and these trial Policy, and the Import Policy some things are not being sold out properly. more incentives have been given. We Will the Minister encourage the Coopera- have reduced the custom duty rates in tives for selling these articles and get respect of certain electronic goods. We some money subsidised for the purpose have also to see that this crazc for of their general business ? Also, will it be foreign goods is also reduced. This can done in all the cities ? I understand that be done, if we af e able to pioduc equality now there are only certain cities for this godos similar to the ones that are being purpose. I would like to know from the smuggled. To that end, we are taking Minister whether all th© cities will now ggtioq, come un^er tbe scherne for disposal of Ora\ Answers CHAITRA 8, 1^07 {SAKA) Oral Answers 6

these articles, because a large stock is dustry was first nationalised; piled up in the customs godowns. Will the Minister consider this suggestion ? (b) the date when the last coal company was nationalised; SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : The Hon. Member was pleased to give valuable suggestions. These are noted (c) whether some of the mines have and we will consider them. been abandoned and operations stopped there on the groups of organisational and operational diflSculties; [Trauslation]

SHRI MADAN PANDEY : Do the (d) if so, the details thereof; staff of the Airlines also indulge in smuggling activities and if so, what appropriate steps have been taken to curb (c) whether the above coal mines are such activities of theirs and wh'.ther are now being given to private seCtOr for the steps taken arc stringent enough to operating; and chcck them from indulging in smuggling? (f) if so, the reasons therefor ? [EngUsh] SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES When they were involved, we have taken AND C04L (SHRI VASANT SATHE): action and what action we have, I have (a) and (b). The cjal mines were nationa- already placed before the House. lised in two stagei. First, under the Coking Boal Mines (Nationalisation) SHRIMATl PHULRENU GUHA : Act, 1972, the coking coal mines which May I know Sir, what type of goods are were know to exist, were nationalised smuggled mostly and from which with effect from 1.5.1972. Then, under countries ? the Coal Mines (Nationalisation) Act, 1973, all other mines known to exist were nationalised with effect from SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : 1.5.1973. Gold, watches, synthetic fabrics, etc. are the articles that are smuggled mostly. As regards the countries from which these (c) and fd) : The oreration of Shanker- go ds are smuggled, I have already pur pit of Eastern Coalfields Ltd. had answered. to be stopped for operational difficulties on account of occurrence of an underground fite. The opperations of Semra, SHRIMATl PHULRBNU GUHA : Gidhania, Rauta and Mael collieries in Mostly frjm which countries are they Central Coalfields Ltd. were discontinued smuggled ? due to uneconomic working of these mines. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He has already informed that it comes mostly (e) No, Sir. from the Gulf countries. (f) D>)es not arise. Nationalisation of Coal Industry

[Translation] *^244. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA ; Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES gHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : Mr. a n d c o a l be pleased to state : Deputy - Speaker, Sir, they are bold enough to reply ‘No, Sir’. So many (a) the data on which the coal in- news items have been appearing in the Oral Answers MARCH 29, 1085 Oral Answers press. I would tike to draw the atten- raining lease for coal mining can be tion of the Hou. Minister to the item granted, except with the prior approval which appeared in the Economic Ttmes of the Central Government under of 4th January, 1984 : Section 5 (2) of the Miaes and Minerals (Regulation and Development) A c t, 1957. They have also been told to advise the l^EngUshl Bihar State Mineral Development Cor- poration not to start coal mining opera- '‘The State administration of Bihar tion without complying with the has become significant in this con- provisions of the law. text under a scheme of Bihar State Mineral Development Co^-poration. A State Government under a king would There is no question of any private be enlisting the services of private party doing coal mining, after the parties in running some of the aban- nationalization, either direcdy or in a doned mines and which mines Coal benami way through a State agency, by India had stopped operating on being a subsidiary because this will grounds of operational difficulties.” defeat the very purpose of nationalization. We have conveycd this. Tliis is also, according to us, the legal [Translation} position; and, therefore, we have communicated our decision to the Bihar State , You are saying that illegal raining Government. {Intevruptioii) As I have has been going on openly m Bengal, said, if a private party docs this, it will Bihar, Assam and in other States, Are be a case of illegal mining. It has not 'Government aware of such activities and come to our notice that in any State, has any action been taken in that regard, any individuals are doing mining If it and if so, wheu was the action taken and is brought to our notice, we will take what was the resuU ? action, and we will intimate it. Ultima- tely, we can only persuade the State Government because it is the Slate ' [English] Governments, under law, which h^ve to SHRI VASANT SATHE : As far as prevent any illegal mining. Bihar is concerned, in February 1985, the State of Bihar intimated their As far as the State Corporation is intention to work four coal mines, viz. concerned, if it is like in Bengal or Jageshwar, Khas Jageshwar (in the Assam where we have allowed it, i.e. if districts of Hazaribagh and Giridih), the State itself wants to run a mine Pure Murl’dih and selected Pipratand which we cannot run, or do not find it (in the district of Dhanbad) by Bihar feasible to run in such cases, we arc all State Mineral Development Corporation out to help, but only for State Corpo" ,as a holding company, through a subsi- ration direct. diary, with Bihar State Mineral Deve- lopment Corporation holding 51% of the [Translatiori\ f-har ecapital, and private enterprise the balance 49% as, accorcing to them, the SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : You Supreme Court had permitted them to have replied to my question correctly, work these four coal mines, and that no but would you clarify when you intimat- reference to the Government of India was ed the Bihar Government about it, on necessary Id the light of the orders of the what date had you written to them and Superme Court for their w^oi king through is illegal mining still continuing or has Government company. it stopped ?

The State Government of Bihar have SHRI VASANT SATHE : They have been informed by the Central Govern- been intimated recently, i.e., during the *ment that no prospecting licence on year 1984, but we have on information Orai Aniwers CttAlTHA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Answers tb whether the Bihar Government are [Trcnslation] ' encouraging illegal mining there. SHRIMATI PRABHAWATI GUPTA : I would like to know whether the [English] Mining Department of the Bihar SHRI ANAND GAJAPATHI RAJU : Govcrnm-nt do not have even this A lot of money has been invested in the much of technical knowledge. Secondly, coal industry. What are the steps you have not given prior permission and being taken to rationalise coal indus- in spite of this a settlement has been try; if so, is there going tu b e a White reached. In view of this, do the Central Papjr on that ? This coal industry Government intend to cancel it ? production has stagmanted over the number of years. There is no worth SHRI VASANT SATHE : No settle- while increase in production. Will some ment has been reached as yet. attention be given in that direction ^

SHRIMATI PRABHAWATI GUPTA : SHRI VASANT SATHE ; It is not But you have said that your prior pe>mis- true that the production in coal industry sion should have been obtained and that is stagnating. In fact, it is growing. We the coal miniig has been started without have now reached a target of nearly 147 your permission. Does it not show how million tonnes. Coal is not being shift- irresponsible the manner of the function- ed. We are having 27 million tonnes ing of he Bihar Government is ? of coal lying al the pu-heads because of the transporatation difficulty that wc are SHRI VASANT SATHE : Here the trying to sort out. As far as production question is not of technical know’edge is concerncd, there is no dearth; and but of misunderstanding. There has we hav^ a plan to produce enough coal been delay in interpreting the verdict in the country. We are rationalising of the Supreme Court, and aecording to both technically and technologically and that as also according to the law, the also managerially. Therefore, I think, as State Government can start coal mining far as coal mining is concerned, wc can say at a place where we give permission, but that we are trying to do our best in the the S.^ate Government should get the country. As far as White Paper is work done through i'.s corporation and concerned, after all, coal is black. What not through any private party, or the is the need of a White Paper ? j?int sector or through any other method. We have brought this to the notice of [Ttanslation] the State Government. (Interruption^) SHRIMATI PRABHAWATI GUPTA ; I would like to know from the Hon. [English] M ’nister whether, as he said just now, PROF. K K. TEWARY : They have before granting lease to any private already done it. There is a settlement party...... {interruptions) between them and the parivate party.

[English] [Translation] MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The Hon. SHRI VASANT SATHE : I have •Lady Member is already on her legs. already said that the State Government Please sit down. cannot entrust this work to any private party and, so far as we know, they have SHRI ANAND GAJAPATHI RAJU : nut started this work through any private He should not »ake it so lightly. ’ party. However, wc have written to \ the Chief Minister. SHRI VASANT SATHE ; I have not taken it lightly at all. (Intert up/ion) 11 Oral Answers MAfeCH 29/1985 Oral Answers

SHRIMATI PRABHAWATI GUPTA : informed the Bihar Government, I have If this thing has take place, will it be got written to the Chief Minister to look cancelled ? into this, and I am confident that we wiU be able to persuade the Bihar Govern- ment not to allow illegal raining. SHRI VASANT SATHE : If any illegality is found, the work will be SHRI JAGa NNATH RAO : After the stopped. nationalisation the cost of production of coal h:s gone up hundredfold, with the result that the price of coal is going up, [English] and as a result of that the steel pr ces SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : In spite are also going up. What steps would the of what the Hon. Minister has said, tha^ Government take to see that the prices no Corse of illegal minirg are within his of coal, the cost of production comes knowledp.e, I have to remind him, I down so that the saleable price will be think the recoids will show that on more at a reasonable level ? than one occasion I think in the previous Lok Sabha also it was admitted on the SHRI VASANT SATHE : The cost jfloor of the House that in the Haz.ari- of production of coal, like any other bagh and Giridih areas of Bihar where mineral, also depends on other inputs. there is a great deal of coal deposit lying Now, if inputs like power, oil, diesel, very near the surface—may not be of labour, wages, etc., all keep on going up, very high quality coal, but it is lying then you cannot expect only coal to very near the surface—a sort of open cast come down and that as a result there mines arc there, which ha/e not been will be increase in steel, in everything, worked out by the public sector. And all round. I am not saying ‘No’. I in these places private companies are agree with the hon. Member that if employing contracted labour and remov- we have a better production, better ing large quantities of this coal in their movement, it is likely to have an impact own lorries and transport. It was stated on prices, but that is a big ^if’. here that steps will hi taken to stop that. I would like to know the position SHRI AMAL DATTA ; We found in regarding that. the Budget Speech of the Hon. Finance Mi ister that the installed capacity of coal is 210 million metric tonnes per SHRI VASANT SATHE ; I think it year; and just now the Hon. Minister is the same area, the Hon. Member stated that we are going to produce 140 has made a mention. We are apprehen- m^lion tonnes and this is an increase sive, I must say this. according to him. But what prevents us from attaiaing the installed capacity, SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA You in production ? And then if that is dv/oe, spoke about Dbanbad, I think. which is possible that with the present manpower, w^ uld not the price of coal come down ? SHRI VASANT SATHE : It is the same area, Hazaribagh, Giridih and SHRI VASANT SATHE : I do not Jogeswar Khas, that is that area in the think that the price of coal necessarily North. We are apprehensive that some will come down with increased produc- private people who have been indulging tion. As I have just now mentioned, we in this probably now via this subterfuge, have at our pitheads 27 million tonnes join a joint sector group with the Bihar of coal lying, some of which is getting State Mineral Development Corporation, burnt, prices being what >t is. Because with having 49 percent shares, ctc, want the ma’n consumers ultimately are again to go in for this mining which according the big public sector units like the to us, will be totally illegal. We have power plants, the steel plants and others. 13 Oral Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 iSAK A) Oral Answers 14

Therefore, it is not that the price will from the depositors. If this were to have an impact merely by production.— happen, it will b; difficult to raise overall—unless the whole movement, deposits and provide further credit to availability of coal is improved. I think farmers and others. it will not directly have an impact on that. I can increase coal production, but if I increase coal production what SHRI AJOY BISWAS ; The Govern- will I do with it ? ment in their reply have stated that it is not possible for the public seel or banks to write off loans taken by the small and MR. DEPUTY - SPEAKER Shri marginal farmers. But the Goverment Mohanlal Patel. Absent. have written off arrears of income tax Shri Ajoy Biswas amounting Rs. 30 crores. 77 percent of the total number of operational Writing Off Loans Taken From Baak By holdings are held by the marginal and Small And Marginal Farmers small farmers. Because of their low *246. SHRI AJOY BISWAS : Will holdings, sometimes they are not able to the Minister of FINA'^CE be pleased (.o pay loan instalments. Thus interest state : goes on accumulating on that loan. In such eases, the banks do not allow further loan to these farmers. So, there (a) whether the Union Government should be a distinction between wilful have any proposal to write off the loans defaulters and non-wilful defaulters. Will taken by the small and marginal farmers the Government consider that the small from the different nationalised banks and marginal farmers are relieved from which are ov ,rdue for many yea is ; the payment of interest and the amount may be shared in equal proportion by (b) if so, the details thereof; and the Government of India, the State Government, RBI, IDBI and the cocerned (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? bank as was done in 1979 for the drought affected areas in UP ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTERY OF FINANCE (SHRI SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to (c). The money that is deposited in the A Statement is laid on the Table of the banks, belongs to the people of this House. country. The loan is given to the small, marginal and other farmes for productive Statement purposes. So far as small and marginal (a) No, Sir. farmers are concerned, we have been giving subsidy to them. There is an (b) Does not arise. Integrated Rural Development Pro- grame for that. For marginal farmers the subsidy element is to the tune of (c) Within the framework of RBI 3 3.1/3 pcrcent, for small farmers it is guidelines the nationalised banks raise 25 percent and the tribal farmers it is 50 deposits and lend a portion thereof to percent. The money with the bank has borrowers. The rate of interest for to rotate. Unless small and marginal advances, which differ from category to farmers pay back that amount, it cannot category, is also decided by the Reserve be rotated and given to other persons Bank of India. The advances to small including weaker sections of society. If and marginal farmers are given at a due to specific reasons like calamity, comparatively lower rate of interest. flood, drought, etc. it is not within the capacity of these farmers to pay back the It is not possible for the public sector loan, in such cases we are re-scheduling bank to write off loans on a large scale and re-phasing it. In some cases where which are j^iv^q out Qf the funds raised it is beyond the capacity of small ard 15 Oral Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Oral Answers U marginal farmers, then there is tlie and marginal farmeis. This is within D posit Insurance and Credit Corpora- the knowledge of the Hon. Member, tion. When it is found that the loan is So many times it has been stated in the not recoverable, the concerned banks House that we have to provide some approach this Corporation and there will Smount for statutory liquidity ratio and be insurance to the tune of 70 to 75 perfor cash reserve ratio also some amount cent of the loan. But there is no proposal ahould be provided for developmental before the Government to write off the activities. Whatever amount is left after loan or the interest as suggested by the lhat, 40 percent of that has to go to Hon. Member. priority sector. Therefore, the amount that is left for giving loans to other SHRI AJOY BISWAS : If their loan sectors, is not substantial. So far as the is not re-phased, definitely they have to weaker sections are concerned, the switch over to the money-lenders and ‘weaker scclion’ has been redefined and the big land owners. It is a serious now 10 percent of the total advances problem in rural areas- A recent study after making provision for the statutory has revealed that the number of agi icul- liquidity ratio and the ccish reserve ratio, tura) accounts pertaining to small and or 25 percent of the 40 percent amount marginal farmers with the public scctor that is given tv the priority sector, will banks, is only 10 percent. That shows go to the weaker sections. So, as on that the money of the nationalised banks today, we are not in a position to libera- is going to the big farmers and landlords, lise the schemes. and only a fringe of the problem has been touched by the nationalised banks. Translation] The big farmers and the money-lenders have a close tie with the banks. They SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS : You discourage small and marginal farmers to have just now iiiformed that loans are derive benefits from the banks in order granted to the small and the marginal to maintain their control over them So, farmers at subsidised rates of interest, my specific question is whether the but when the question of recovery of the Government will liberalise the scheme loan arises then against an amount of for granting loans and other facilities to Rs. 3,000 given as loan in a year, Rs. the small and marginal farmers so that 1 5,000 are recovered 5 or 6 years. Besides, they can be benefited more from the the expenses incurred on issuing the nationalised banks. notices and on motor vehicles used for effecting recovery are charged from the borrower. In this way, the small amount SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : snowballs into a big amount, and for For IRDP, even in the Budget there is recovering it, the lands etc. of the small a provision. Apart from lhat there is and the marginal farmers are auctioned. a scheme known as diflferential Rate of On the one hand, the policy of the Interest Scheme, under which we are Government is to lift the people above giving loans at the rate of 4 percent. the poverty line and on the jther hand, Sir, as you are aware, 3nd the' House is they are ruining them by auctioning also aware, we have to pay interest at their lands in that manner. So, instead the rate of 11 percent if the amount is of recovering five times the amount of deposited with us for more than five the loan, is it not possible for you to years. The other expenditure lhat is follow the provisions of tbe Civil Proce- incurred on furniture, fixtures, salaries, dure Code wherein it has been provided etc.* comes to two to three percent. that nobody can realise more than That means, for every Rs. 100 we have tow times the amount of the loan ? to incur an expenditure of about Rs, 13 to Similarly, will you consider Rs. 14, including interest. Under IRDP, this point that in the case of the small we are giving loans at the rate of 10 and the marginal farmers and other percent at d under DRI scheme we are farmers who are unable to repay the giving at the rate of 4 percent, to loan in time duo to some calamity, so weaker sections and the small much recovery maynot be made ? Oral Answers CHATTRA 8, 1907 iSAKA) Oral Answers i r

[-English] MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Please sit down. All of you sit down. I am SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : asking all of you to sit down. First you There are guidelines issued by the sit down. Then I will allow you. I would Reserve Bank of India for advancing request all the members to co-oporate - loans to the weaker section. If there is with me. anybody who violates those guidelines, it should be brought to our notice and we {Interruptions) will definitely take actior against him.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Please* {Interruptions) sit down. I am asking you all to sit down. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Already we have taken ten minutes on this {Interruptions) question.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : All are SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA important questions. There are so many I^AO : Why not allow us ? For what important questions. purpose we have come here ? {Interruptions) {Interruptions) THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : There COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI are s many other subjects on which you VISWANATH PRATAP SINGH : can ask questions. I have to cover so Sir, may colleague has fully many questions. answered the question in detail. He has explained that out of the 40 percent, which is allotted to the priority sector, SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA one-fourth of that, i.e. 25 percent is RAO : Why don’t you give us an reserved for the marginal and weaker opportunity ? sections. That is the priority we are giving. He has further explained that • MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I am very concessions are given for drought etc. sorry. I am more liberal to all. Now the point raised by the Hon. Member, which is a valid point, is why it should go up to 4 times or 5 times. SHRI SOBHANANDREESWARA Now this portion of the loan has to take RAO : You have not given an opportu- care of drought, flood, some concession nity to us; it is not justified. in interest etc. So, when there is a default in payment, some other poor {Interruptions) men, who are wating for the same money will be deprived of it. If we do nofr MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I will recover the repayment, these people will allu\y yo,i4 on some o.ther question. be starved of loans, becai^e it will come to a grinding halt. If he wantt to savo payment 4 or 5 times, the option is SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA there with him to repay it in time. RAO : Vou allow others tj make a speech. • i • -I {Interruptions) i MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That is yyhy.I am restricting all. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will give opportunity on some oth«r question. ’ {Interruptions) {Interruptions) Oral Answers MARCH 29, 1985 » Oral Answers 20

SHRI . VISWANATH PRATAP clear. It is written off by that institu- SINGH : I cannot answer when go tion. If it finds that the dues cannot many members ask question at the same be recovered from the wccker sections, time. Jf a question is put by one mem- 75 percent of that loan will be absolved ber, I can §inswer it. ^ by the Deposit Insurance and Gurantee Corporation. {Interrupt ions) Another point is whenever it is MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER Nothing found that these cannot be recovered at will go on record. all for special reasons and that he is not in a position to pay at all and that it is {Interruptions) ♦ * not :tt all a willful default, in such cases there is a provision to write off. So, SHRI VISWANATH PRATAP when banks find that it is not at all SINGH : If a question is put in a proper recoverable for spccial and convincing manner, I can anwer it. reasons, in such cases these are written off. SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO : In view of the fact that you have SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA not agreed to write off the dues from RAO : Then why don’t you write cff small and marginal farmers, which are in the case of farmers ? oyerdue since a long time, is it not a fact that ‘some of ncitionalised banks are SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP writing „ff loans that were given to the SINGH : We write off for rural sectors industrialists under ‘bad’ debts’ ? Is it also. He has explained that. not a fact ? Then why there is discrimination ? Is it not unconstitutional ? MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Now, Therefore, will the Government reconsi- next question. Shri Shivendra Bahadur der the st and taken towards the small Singh. and marginal farmers and write off the loan dues lying for very very long time ? SHRI BRJAMOHAN MOHANTY ; Sir, since we are disciplined people, we SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : should not be deprived of the opportun- Sic, unfortunately the Hon. Members ity to ask questions. did not understard my answer properly. As I have already stated there is Deposit Insurance and Guarantee Corporation. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : If it is When it is beyond the capacity of the so important a topic, you can give a person to pay and when it is found that motion and then we can discuss it. Why it is not a willful default, 75 percent of should the time of Question Hour be it is taken care of by that insurance taken for th's sm^ll topic. There are corporation. other Members waiting for the turn of their questions.

SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA Growth rate of central coalfields RAO : Where is insurance ? It is only limited during seventh plane on paper. ♦248. SHRI SHIVENDRA BAHADUR SHRI JANARDHANA PCOJARY : SINGH : Will the Minister of STEEI^ This body has written oflF bad dues MINES AND COAL be pleased to earlier and it is writing ojff every year. state : But «t is not for the Government to write off ;the dues I have made it very (a) whether the Central Coalfield*

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Ltd. is expected to achieve a record incentives for officers in the form, ns I ^owth rate of 14 percent in the Seventh said, of promotion and other facilities.' Five Year Plan ; I do not understand what type of incen- t'ves my friend has in mind. If ho has ‘ (b) if 80, the details thereof, and the ideas that thsy should have incentives as we have for the ordinary workers, it is a different matter, we will (c) the incentives being given to tne consider all these things. . ofiQcers of Coal India Limited therefor ?

\Translation\ ^ THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. SHRI YOGESHWAR PRASAD : In' 1983, some people were engaged in illegal mining in the Chapapur Colliery As pef the report of the Working in he Eastern Coalfields. At that time, Group on Coal and Lignite set up by the an accident occurred there and dozens Planning Commission, in Central Col- of labourers were kUled. After that it- fields Ltd., the production of coal is has not been made known as to what envisaged to grow from 38.5 mt. in punishment was given and what kind of 1984-85 (terminal year of Sixth Plan) treatment was meted out to those officers to 70.2 mt. in 1989-90 (terminal year who were engaged in illeg?l mining 1 of Seventh Plan) ihc linear growth SHRI VASANT SATHE : This ques- rate projected duiing the period 1985 to tions to a specific mine, for which I 1990 comes to over 16%. require notice. If you write to me, I, shall be able to collect the infor- (c) No specific incentive scheme for mation. _ ' the executives working in the Central Coalfields Ltd. has been framed so far. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY : I would However, the overall growth potential of like to know whether in view of 14 per- the coal company will result in more cent growth rate in production, Govern»*' avenues for accelerated promotions and mcnt propose to allocate some funds in career growth to both executives and the; Seventh Plan for Bhopalpalli Coal non-executives. Mines of Andhra Pradesh and if so, the i amount thereof ? ' ' SHRI SHIVENDRA BAHADUR SINGH : Mr. Deputy-Speciker, Sir, I {English] would like to know from the Hon. Minister whether they have included the \ SHRI VASANT SATHE : If.yoil give Singrauli Coalmines in the CCL or not. me notice by giving a specific quesfi6n* about the coalmines in Andhra Pradesh, * , SHHI VASANT SATHE : Singrauli I can give a reply. There are so n^ajiy Coalfields in Madhya Pradesh are inclu- Coalfields. I cannot go by every mine ...I ded . . and say how much is produced.

SHRI SHIVENDRA BAHADUR {Translation^ SINGH : I would like to know whether incentives are given to the public sector SHRI RAMSWAROOP RAM officers specially in the Coal India Ltd., •i Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it has been the to encourage them to boost up the policy of the Government of India *not growth and once you encourage them, I to grant extension to those persons who am sure the public also will be satisfied are due to retire. But thd Chairman of atid corruption can be eradicated. Coal India, Shri Gujral, has been granted extension in service, who had already SHRI VASANT SATHE : In the retired. Does the Hon. Ministelr propose service conditions thenxselves there are to grant him further, extension also ? 25- Oral Answets MAkCH 29,' l98!l Orat Answers 24

SHRI VASANT SATHE : Gi anting cf SHRI V S. KRISHNA IYER : Sir. it^ extension is based on the merits of an is a very disappointing reply. The founda- o^c«r. tion stone of this steel plant was laid ia 1971 by no less a person than Shrimati ’ SHRI RAMSWAROOP RAM ; But it Indira Gandhi, the then Prime Mini- i& the policy of the Government not to ster. You have spent already about ^ an t extension in service. Rs. 8.5 crores. The people of Rarnataka arc very much agitated over this. It is a SHRI VASANT SATHE : We shall (juestion of life and death for them. The act according to the policy of the Steel Plant is a must for the economic Government. prosperity of the State. I want a cate- gorical reply from the Govetnment [English} whether they would like to take up this Setting up of Nijaynagar Steel Plant plant. The Honourable Steel Minister at bospet in Karoalaka. should give a definite reply as to whether he is going to take up the *249. SHRI V S. KRISHNA IYER ; execution of this Steel Plant. Will the Ministar of STEEL, MINES AND COAL be pleased to state : SHRI NATWAR SINGH : My distin- uishcd senior colleague, Shri Vasant (a) Whether the late Prime Minister Sathe replies to a question the other day Smt. Indirn Gandhi had laid the founda- and he said that our Department has tion stone of the Vijayanagar Steel Plant requested the Planning Commission to at Hospet in Karnataka some nine provide Rs. 400 crores. Unterrupfions) years back; ■ SHRI NARAYN CHOUBEY : Hut (b) If so, the total amount spent so the foundation-stone was laid back. 80 far on the about plant;

(d) whether Government propose to SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH : If you provide more funds in the coming years; do me the courtesy of listening to me. and You might have your answer. (e) if so, the details thereof ? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI DEPARTMENT OF STEEL (SHRI K. VISHWANATH PARTAP SINGH): NATWAR SINGH) : (a) : Yes, Sir, in That is precisely the problem. October, 1971. SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH'. I am (b) Total amount spent so far is trying to answer your question. The about Rs. 8.5 crores. answer is that after the allocations are made in the Seventh Plan, we will go (c) In accordace with the Detailed ahead. • ■» Project Report, based on direct reduc- I I tion tecbaology, submitted by MECON If you want to know about the details in October, 1984, the capital cost of the as to what work has been done so far, first phase of tha Plant (including captive we can give this to you. But unless the power generation) has been estimated at allcation is made in the Seventh Plan, it Rs. 422 crores, is impossible for us to give any definite answer. {Interruptions) (d) and (e) Investment decision on this Project has not lo far been taken by SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER : Sir, ^ Govcrmneot. his answer is not clear as probably I Orai Amwers .u CHAtTRA 8, 1907 {SAKA) Oral Answers

d id ’not follow. Has any fund been in 1979. Why do you refer to Jaoata prdvidcd'irt the Seventh Plan ? Have they Government time and again ? reconmmended for a provision io the Seventh Plan ? Let it be very clear. Has [English] the'Ministry of Steel recommended to the Planning Commission for a provi- MR. DEPUTYSPEAKER : Mr. sion of certain fund in the Seventh Narayan choubey, please sit down. ]^lan ? . 4 (tnterruptions) SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH : We have recommended to ihc Planning Commission. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I want to know what actually he wants. I want to listen to him. Allow me to listen to * SHRI M. V. CHANDRASHEKARA him. Why are all of you shouting like MURTHY; Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, this ? it is the long-felt desire of the people of Karnata, since 14 years, to have this plant. But 1 want to know from the Hon. SHRI M. V. CHANDRASHEKARA Minister whether the Janata Governmet MURTHY : During the period 1977-79, at the Centre during 1977-79 had kept the Janata Government at the Centre this plant in the cold storage on the and a particular Minister had kept this pretext, that the collaborator preferred proposal in the cold storage on the shore-based plant. If so, what is the pretext that the collaborator preferred a reaction of the Government ? I want a shore-based plant. It was at the cost of firm answer from the present Govern- fhe people of Karnataka. ment. ’ {Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Do you want to know regarding the Hospet What is the reaction of the Govern- plant ? Does the Minister want to make ment ? any comment ? MR. DEPUTYSPEAKER : Does SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH : I have the Minister want to say anything on my own views on the Janata Government. this ? Was the proposal kept in cold 0ut I would rather keep them myself storage ? for the moment. SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH : How SHRI M. V. CHANDRASHEKARA can I express an opinion on this question. MURTHY: Sir, I seek your protection. I put a relevant question. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : During that period, whether the project had itnterruputions.) been kept in silence ? MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Other SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH ; The hon. Members may keep silenCe. Please project did not make any progress at all. sit down.,

• * ' {Interruptions) . {Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : What do you want to know specifically ? MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER I want to ' T ^ - i get some information for you. Why are [Trans latlonh you troubling ? Mr. Minister, are you having some information ? {Interruptions.) SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : The Janata Government was out of power MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER ; Order Oral AnsT^eti m a r c h 29, m i y0ral Answeri 28' please. Please sit down. ' \ ‘ what the Congress Government did in all these years was undone in 2 years by- SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH : I will the Janata Government. . give you the information. The report was given by the steel Authority of {Interruptions) India. It was coramissoncd in 1975 and submitted by MECON in 1977. Various PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : technical committees were set up by Whatever we have achieved in 150 years SAIL on DPR and ccrtain changes in the of freedom struggle was destroyed by parameters and product-mix were asked them in 2 years of Emergency. for. The SAIL Board approved the DPR in August, 1981. So, from 1977 to 1980, SHRI VASANT SATHE ; It takes there was no progress at all. time to build; it does not take much time to destroy...{Interruptions) It is no {Interrustions) use crying over the spilt milk. You forget about these 14 years... MR. DEPUTYSPEAKER That is all. Please sit down. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : You want me to remember only 2 years. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Sir, the foundation-stone of the plant was laid in SHRI VASANT SATHE : I have 1971. It is now 14 years passed. The included those 2 years also in these 14 Janata Government was in power for two years so that you forget that also. years. So, what did tho Congress Govern- ment do in the 12 remaining years ? If you want to know what is happening to the Vijayanagar Steel Plant. I will {interruptions) tell you what is happening. As far as the Vijayanagar Steel Plant is concerned, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : What originally, It was thought that it would do you want to say ? What question do be based or the then available technology you want to put ? which is based on coking coal. Now, the coking coal is not available in that SHRI S. JAIPAL RADDY : I am region. Tho coking coal is in short putting the question. {Interruptions.) supply in the country. It was then found that any technology based on the coking MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : You sit coal would not work, would not be down. economical and would not be feasible. That is why the MECON were asked SARI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Mr. to come in to fird out whether any Deputy Speaker, I seek your protection. onther technology—the plant had to be taken up; it was a promise and we wanted to do it— could be used. It has {Interruptions) been found that there is a technology called D R. Direct Reduction technology, SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : It is 14 by which sponge iron with electricity years since 1971 when the foundation you can convert into steel. We have also stone was laid. The Janata Government worked this technology. We can have was there only for just years. What sponge iron and produce steel. did the Congress (I) Government do for the remaining 11J years for achieving Now, the only question is that we any progress in regard to the Vijayanagar must have an assured supply of power. Steel Plaat at Hospet ? Our experience, unfortunately, with Karnataka has been that even for the SHRI VASANT SATHE : Much of plants like Kudremukh... 29 Oral Answers CHAITRA 3> 1907<5^r/4) S/wrt Question 30

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Since is over. You given your question in writ- when ? ing to the Hon. Minister who will answer your question. Please sit down. You SHRI VASANT SAT HE : You forget cannot question my authority. about when. Are you interested in the The question hour is over. Now We result or are you interested in finding shall take up the short Notice fault ? I am telling you the position. Question. Prof. K. K. Tewary. Even today the Karnataka Government is not able to assure power. They have not given power even when we have paid Rs. 70 crores for the Kudremukh project. No power is available . in SHORT NOTICE QUESTION Karnataka even for their own steel plants, like', Viswesaraya steel plant. No [English] power is avilable there. My hon. friend Reported Release of a technical should know that unless power is report by the union Carbide assured, this steel plant cannot Xvork. CorporatioD, USA on the Gas Leakage at Bhopal SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Is he aware aboutp ower which has been denied 1. PROF. K. K. TEWARY : Wil Ithe to the people of Karnataka ? Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTI- LIZARS be pleased to state : SHRI VASANT SATHE : Therefore, it is no requesting the Planning Commis- (a) Whether attention of Government sion and the Finance Minister to give has been drawn to the reported release Rs. 400 croies if you cannot assure of a Technical Report by the Urion power. You assure power and I assure Carbide Corporation, USA on the causes you the plant. of Toxic gas leakage from their plant at Bhopal and reported statements of the SHRI K.H. RANGANATH : Is it not Chairman and other officials of that a fact that when Mr. George Fernandes Corporation disclaiming any responsi- was the Industry Minister, he suggested bility or liability on the part of the that a shore-based project was better Union Carbide Corp )rationj USA in and, thereby they shelved the constuc- regard to the disaster and their attempt tion of the Vijayanagar Steel Plant 7 to attribute all responsibility entirely on the Indian Managers and Operators of the said plant; {Interruptions')*' ' (b) If so, the reactions of Govern- MR. DEPUTYSPEAKER : The ment in this regard ? ' Question Hour is over. There is no time. Please sit down. You give your question THE MINISTER FOR CHEMICALS in writing. I am going to the Short ANP FERTILIZERS AND INDUS- Notice Question of Prof. K.K. Tewary. TRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) ' (Interruptions)* t ■ Yes, Sir.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Nothing (b)‘ Tbo reported conclusions in the will go on record. so'callad technical report of the Union Carbide Corporation, USA are apparer Unte rruptions) * ntly based on insufficient evidence and therefore, arc speculative. Further, the MR. DBPUTY-SPEAKER ; The time statements reported to have been made

"Not r9cordc(J. )1 Short Question MARCH 29, 1985 Short Question 3^ in the press by the officisls of the Union utmost seriousness and to tell the House Carbide Corporation, USA regarding and the country what precise measures i^esponsibllities for the unfortunate are going to be taken by the Govern- leakage, while releasing the so called ment not only to stop repetition of such technical repDrt, are uiwarranted and disaster but also to ensure that the unjustified. The publication of the victims are paid compensation. Those technical report based on inadequate who are.dead are dead. But this disaster data and statements based on it by is going to have a long-term impact. officials of the Corporation, therefore, People who are mained have to be appear to be motivated. rehabilitated.

There is adequate evidence to esta- We are told that the doctors have blish, in a convincing manner, the suf^ested that even the unborn children culpability of the Union Carbide Cor- will carry the effects of this disastrous poration of USA for the Bhopal Gas incident. So, it is a very serious crime Disaster. Government, however, cannot and a crime which has to be pursued to but refrain from raising a public debate its logical conclusion so that *thc at this stage, when the matter is sub- culprits may bo brought to book... judice, but shall present all the facts in this regard at an appropriate forum. AN HON. MEMBER : What about remedy ? PROF. K.K. TEWARY (Buxar) ; Sir, the report of the Union Carbide is a PROF. K. K. TEWARY ; What strange document and ihis seems to be remedies wili you suggest if those who an attempt to wriggle out of the whole are to explain are trying to run away responsibility. This disaster at Bhopal is from this.... (Interruptions) unparalleled in the history of the industrialised world. Thousands of people MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Please died and thousands were rendered help- address the Chair. less. Some of thenj became crippled, in the light of this horrendous tragedy^ PROF. K. K. TEWARY : There Qovernment took many steps like seems to be a concerted attempt on the rehabilitation of victims and then there part of this Corporation to wash itself was flurry of activity. Many of all the responsibilities that normally ^mejican advocates suddenly should be its share for this disaster. descended on Bhopal and we heard that Therefor, the light of this, I would like cases are being prepared for paying to know from the bon. Minister suitable compensation to the victims of whether, when this Report came, when ihis gas disaster and tragedy. After all this Techoical Report, as they aay, this, now we hears from the Union Car- came, when it was announfed by thx bide that the culprit multi-national fuctionaries of the Corporation, ouf company are not involved in any case Embassyrfn the U-S,A. took some action and an attempt is being made deli'' about this Report. bcrately to throw the blame at the doors of the Indian managers and some SHRI VEERENORA PATIL : Accord Indian functionary is there. This is a ing to my information, this Report very serious attempt on the part of the was produced by the Unipa Carbide Union Carbide. It Is an attempt to com- Corporation of the United States of pletely atfflolve themselves of all responsi- America, and the Chairman of this Cor- bility of paying compemation to the poration released this Report in victims here and their role in this America on 20th March, 1985. The disaster. Hon. Member wanted to know as to vidiat was the Indian Embassy. We have I would, therefore, request the hon. received a report from the Indian Mioistpr tP t£^ke up tlie n?atter with Embassy. The Indian Eovbassyi accord* ^3 Short Question CHAITRA 1?>()7 (SAKA) Short Question 34

ing to that report, has issued the follow- it a fact that there is a growing feeling ing statement to the press : among the people who are affected by this tragedy at Bhopal that there is an “The Government of India have effort on the part of the Government been proceeding with great circums- to settle this problem with the Union . psction in dealing with the ques- Carbide Corporation outside the court tion of the responsibility and liabi- and if that fear is there, is it not a fact lity of the Union Carbide Corpora- that if any effort is made to settle the tion in respect of the disaster in its problem outside the court, the difficul- Bhopal Plant. We would have ties are that if we judge by the condi- hcêd for at least as much care on tions in U.S.A., if a similar epis. do the part of the Union Carbide and were to take place in U.S.A. then the case can only deplore the fact that the is very clear that the minimum damage Coraany has not only published a that the American Jury would award so-called report which, by its own in the court would range from 50,000 to admission, has been prepared with- 100,000 dollars for each injury arid out knowledge of the full facts more than that for each death. And relating to the tragedy but has since the Union Carbide’s assets are seen fit to include assertions or such that they are not likely to bear implications which are unjustified such a big responsibility, any effort to and unacceptable. Further com- settle the problem of compensation out- ments on the Technical Report are side the court will be to the detriment being issued by the experts concer- of these who have suffered at Bhopal ned in India and, therefore, will you give an assurance to this House that this will PROF. K. K. TEWARY : My not be settled outside the Court ? secound supplementary is about the role of this multi-national vis-a-vis this SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : Only plant since they are now trying to shift the other day this was discussed thread- the responsibility to the local managers. bare in this House and while considering I would like to know from the Hon. the Bill, I had made it clear that the Minister whether the design of the Plant Bill gives powers to the Government of attd the technical services were provided India and according to the provisions of by the Union Carbide of U.S.A. for this the Bill there are three options open to Plant. This also should be made clear as the Government of India. One option is to what precise relationship exists to file the cases in American courts, the between the Indian Plant at Bhopal of second option is to file the cases in Union Carbide and the head office of Indian courts and the third is to have a the Union Carbide in the U.S.A. and compromise outside the court. Thsese are the mutli-national as such. the options open to the Government of Indi^. I have made it very clear ihat SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : The while accepting any of these options, Hon. Member will appreciate that at the only guiding factor is the bei^t this ^tage it will not be in piiblic interests of the victims. Supposing there interest to reveal details of the evidence is an offer—we have not yet receive ' available with the Government in this any concrete offer from the company— regard. Howevrer, it is known that the and if that offer is in the best interests Union Cardide Corporation, U.S.A., of the victims, certainly we will con- has 50.9 percent equity in the Union sidet and if that offer is not in th« b st CarUde India Limited and, therefore, interests of the victims, then we will not has overriding controlling interest. consider and there is no question of PuTtheri the design and technical services bringing any pressure on the Govern- for the Bhopal Plant were provided by ment. the Union Carbide, U.S.A, PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE ; Is SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTX : Will 35 Short Question MARCH 29, 1985 Short Question 36 the hon. Minister State whether accord- question of corporate culpability. In case ing to the findinga of an Indian investi- it is found in the inevstigations that gation at least three days before the gas Union Carbide Ltd., U.S.A is a guilty leakage, the plant technicians were aware party I presume your cases will have to that something was wrong with tank No. be filed in the American courts but that 610 and that the top brass marageraent in does not automatically rule out the U.S.A. also was aware of this and yet share of culpability on the part of no action was taken to find out what was Union Carbide India L td . which is a wrong with tank No. 610 ? subsidiary company. So^ these two options are not mutually exclusive. SHRT VEERENDRA PATIL : The What is the government’s view in this report referred to by hon. Member regard ? It may be nccessary to file cases Shri Tiwari who has tabled this question both in the U.S.A. courts and Indian is hot the report we have produced. courts. There are two corporate bodies That is the report prodoced by the involved. I know Americans are trying Union Carbide Corporation of U.S.A. to pass on the buck to somebody else So the hon. Member Mr. Tcwari but that does not automatically wanted the reaction of the Government create the Directors of Union Car- with regard to that report and the state- bide India Ltd. I hope the government ments made in that connection by the will take adequate precaution and care oflSce-bearers of the Union Carbide. So to see that in the matter of corporate there is no question of our report and liability none of the possible culprits making comments on it, This is the are allowed to escape on technical report produced by them. They have grounds. commented on that report and it has appeared widely in the media of the Sir, it is for the first time we came U.S.A. So the hon. Member wanted to know that this Union Carbide India to know the reaction of the government Ltd. were permitted to >âve over 50 per and I have already given my reaction. cent— 59 per cent— foreign equity helding. I would like to know how it came about SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY : What and on what grounds it was permitted ? has happened to the criminal case registered against the top man of the Union Carbide ? He obtained anti- SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : Sir, cipatory bail. First he was refused bail the other day while dicussing it I made it and subsequently he obtained bail. Has clear and I want to make it clear to the investigation been completed and the hon. Member also that is the Government thinking of filing a Government of India wants to proceed charge-sheet against him ? against Union Carbide Corporation of U.S.A. It is because it may be a subsidiary company but this company has SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : The got more than 50 per cent case has been launched by the Madhya share holding. Therefore, they Pradesh Government and the case has cannot escape this responsibility been registered and the investigation has and we are working out all these been entrusted to CBI and CBI is alternatives particularly the first two investigating into this matter and investi- alternatives whether we should file the gation is going on. cases in American courts or Indian courts. The other day I informed the SHRI INDRAJrr GUPTA : Of the House that so far as the filing of cases three options which the Government in American courts is concerned, the has formulated, the first is that the case point is that there is a limited time should be filed in the American courts. available and we have to take a very Secondly, it may be filed in the Indian early decision. We have appointed the courts. I would like to know, this is not law firm and the attorneys are already a question of individual liability. It is a here and they are poing to visit the Wntten Answers CHAII*RA 19(57 (S'AliÂ) Written Answers 38 plant. If we want to file the cases then and from which country; - within a week or two we have to take the decision. Government is fully (c) the quantity of cement likely to prepared and making all preparations to be imported during the year 1985; and take all necessary steps to sateguard the interests of the victims. (d) the steps being taken to produce more cement in the country and reduce import of cement in future to save WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTION foreign exchange ? ,i

[English] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Import of Cement MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) =^245. SHRI MOHAN BHAI PATEL: A quantity of 4.59 lakhs MTs of Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND cement valued at Rs.23. 85 crores was SUPPLY be pleased to state ^ imported on C. & F. basis during 1984, by S.T.C. (a) the quantity of cement imported during the year 1984 and the amount (b) The names of countries and the involved; rates at which import was made are as (b) at what rate the import was made under :

Name of couauy Type of cement Rate per M. T.

Poland Ordinary Grey US S. .30 per* Portland cement M.T. F.O.B. G.D.R. do Rs. 310. 40 per M.T. F.O B. Romania do— Rs. 315 per , M.T.F.O.B. South Korea Sulphate Resis- US $. 48 per tance Cement M.T. F.O.B. Yugoslavia White Cement US $.120. 50 ' per MT C&F ,

(c) No final decision has been taken receivcd-and on the total quantum of import of (c) the steps proposed to be taken by cemeat during 1985. Government to improve the functioning of the Banks there ? Cd) In order to produce more cement installation of additional capacity has THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been approved. It is also being ensured MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI that there is greater capacity utilization JAMARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to of existing units. (c). The performance of banks in the State of West Bengal has been Banking Services in West Bengal showing improvement over time. The deposits of Scheduled Commercial Banks *247 : SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH ; in the State have increnscd from Will the Minister of FINANCE be Rs. 3579 crores in December, 1979 to Rs. 6, 792 crores in March 1984. pleaseJ to state ; Advances have gone up from Rs.2, 302 crores to Rs. 3,889 crores during the (a) whether the banking service in same period. The average population per West Bengal particularly of the Leand branch office for the State has improved Banks are reported to be very, poor ; from 23.000 as on 31-3-1982 to 19,000 on 31-12i-1984. Priority sector advaocnr''. (b) if so, the details of complanints by public sector banks in the State 39 Written Answers m a r c h 1985 ritten^ Answers 46 increased from R^. 409,39 crores at the 198 3-84; end of December 1979 to Rs. 766.4 erores at the end of December, 1983. (b) if so, the reasons therefore ; and Disbursals under integrated Rural Development Programme in the State increastdfrom Rs. 2.57 crores in 1980-81 (c) the steps Government the public to Rs. 30.42 crores in 1983-84. sector undertaking are contemplating to Constant efforts are being made to reduce the production of low quality further improve banking services in the (rejected) steel ? State for the benefit of the local population. THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : Stock Exchange Reforms (a) No, Sir.

♦250. SHRI B. V. DBSAI.: Will the (b) Does not arise. Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (c) Steps taken at Rourkela Steel Plant for improving the quality of steel (a) \\hether Government had agreed to arc installation of desulphurisatlon seek thCj views of the G.S. Patel facility, process control computer for Committee on Stock Exchange reforms LD Converters and secondary steel on the proposals made periodically for making. These steps have already yielded settinji up of mutual funds in the private results. sector in the interest of mobilising larger funds from the capital market. In the proposal for technological upgradation of Rourkela Steel Plant, (b) if so, the extent to which the emphasis will be laid on improvement of rforms on stock exchange have been input raw materials. made; Sinter production capacity will also be (c) whether the views of patel Com- expanded. Latest technology would be mittee were received; and incorporated in LD steel making process by installing top and bottom blow«ng Cd) if so, the details thereof ? facilities in the LD Converters. It is expected that these steps will futher THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND reduce the arisings of low quality steel. COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH) : Guidelines Issued By Nabard to (a) No, Sir. Commercial and Co-operative Land Development Banks

Cb) to (d). Do not arise, in view of *252. SHRI K. RAMA MURTHY : answer to (a) above. Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : Stept to Redace Prodaction of Low Qualty Steel at Rourkela Steel Plant. (a) the details of guidelines issued by the National Bank for Agriculture and 251. SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL : Will Rural Development to all the commercial the Minister of STEEL, MINES AND bank's as well as the State Co-operative COAL be pleased to state. Land Development Banks indicating that it would be very selective in refinancing the loans extended for the purchase of (a) whether the tonnage of discarded tractors with HP exceeding 35; and (low quality) steel has been increased in the manufacturing process of Rourkela (b) tho reasons for taking such a Steel Pi?nt in 1984>83 as compared to step ? 4^ Written Ansvfers CHAITRA 8, 19J07 iSAKA) Written Answers

t h e m i n i s t e r o f s t a t e i n TgE .Bank Robberies in Nationalised MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRl Banks JANARDHANA POOJARY): (a) and *253. SHRI C.D. GAMIT : Will the (b). Ouideliaes were issued Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: by National Bank Cor Agriculture aad (a) the number of bank robberies Rural D^velopement to cominercia] and which took place in the nationalised Stal« Land Development Banks in banks ia the States of Punjab, Rajasthan, September, 19S4 to examine carefully Gujarat and tho Union Territory of the necessity and viability of the schemes Delhi during the last one year; and for financing the purchase of tractors wijLh horse power exceeding IS. Tho (b). ths number of persons apprehended main reason for issuing such guidelines and the amount recovered so far in this wa9 that high horse power tractors are regard ? gene^rally not rcU^d to actual farming THE MINISTER OF STATEJN THE operations of beneficiaries and are uaually MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI required for heavy duty operations like JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) and land shaping. However, on representar (b) As per available infornia- tions from various quarterSi National tionj the number of bank robberies Bank for Agriculture and Rural Develop- dacoities wbich took place in banks inthe ment has since issued another ciccular States of Punjab, Rajasthan, Guj arat and in February, 1985 advising banks to Union Territory of Delhi, the n umber of finance tractors upto 50 horse power on persons arrested/apprehended and the tho basis of viability of iadividual amount recovered duririg the period schemes. 1-1-84 to 31-12-84 is given below :

Name of the State No. of bank No. of persons Amount recoverec /Union Territory robberies/ arrested/appre- (Rs. in lakhs) dacoities hended

Punjab 11 5 0.26 • Rajasthan 5 5 — Gujarat 1 Nil Nil

Delhi 7 5 8.27

[Translation] , (d) if so, the details thereof and if Intoxicants Seized on Indo-Pak Border not, the reasons therefor ?

*254. SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Will the Mininster of FINANCE be THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE pleased to state : (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) and (b). Reports received by the (a) whether some intoxicants have Government indicate that 1872 bottles been seized during the past two months of'intoxicants, i.e. liquor valued at Rs. from the sqiugglers operating on the 77,642. (approximately) was seized on Indo-Pak border; the Indo-Pak borders during January and February, 1985. No person was arrested (b) if so, the value thereof and the ia this connection. number of persons arrested. in this connection; (a) and (b) The drive against smugglers (c) whether Government are taking has been intensified. The preventive and any concrete steps to check such intelligence machinery of the Customs smuggling; and department in the region has been « ' § Written Ansy>ers MARCili 29, 198^ Written Answers 44 reiaforced in termi of man-power and AND SUPPLY be plesead to state* equipment. In addition, the trend and pattern of smaggling arc kept under (a) whether Gjvornm'snt are aware constant reviiw and appropriate anti- that the jute mill owners of Calcutta are smuggling measure, both short-term and closing down jute mills with the plea of long-term, are taken in close co-ordina- shortage of raw jute aid consequntly tion with the concerned Central and 50,000 workers of 12 jute mills are out State Government authorities. of work;

Uniform Fay Scales and Service Conditions (b) whether Government are also in Nationalised Banks aware that the '‘shortage” is being artificially created by cornering raw jute *255. SHRI DILEEP SINGH stocks by black-maney operators in BHURIA : Will the Minister of conjunction with unscrupulous jute mill FINANCE by pleased to state : owners;

(a) whcthe: Government have been (c) whether Government are also able to fulfil their assurance of intro- aware that various trade unions including ducing uniform pay scale and scrvice AITUC and CITU in West Bengal have conditions in v^lri^us nationalised banks demanded that the Union Government after fifteen years of their nationalisa- should issuj immediate instructions to tion; and the jute mill owners to open the mills and in case of their failure to comply, ' (b) if not, the reasons for not intro- take over such jule mills; and ducing uniform pay scales and service conditions for different categories of (d) if so, reactions of Government employees and officers in all the thereto ? nationalised banks even after such a long lime ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (a) The reason put forward ganerally (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : for resent closure of jute mills is indus- (a) and (b). The warkmen and officer trial dispute. The shortage of raw jute, staff of all the 20 nationalised banks have coupled with its high prices and financial uniform pay scales, allowances and stringency of mills are reported to be sarvice canditions. contributory factors for such closure. At present 14 jute mills in West Bengal As between the 20 nationalised banks affecting about 50,200 workers are closed and the State Bank of India, in view of (excluding 3 permanently closed mills) certain special features obtaining in out of which 11 mills have closed down State Bank of India, there are differences from the beginning of 1985, affecting in the matter of pay, allowances and about 42,400 workers. other benefits. The seven Associate (b) As a result of four successive short Banks of State Bank of India, however, jute crops, there is a shortage of raw have the same pay scales, allowances and jute in the country. other scivice conditions as the nationalised banks. (c) and (d) A statement is attached.

[English] Statement Closing of Jute Mills due to Shortage of Raw Juie In a resolution adopted in the metting of Central Executive Committee of *256. SHRIMATI GEETA Bengal Chatkal Mazdoor Union held on MUKHERJEE : SHRI INDRJIT 16th February, 1985 and also in the GUPTA : Tripartite meeting held under the Will the Minister of COMMERCE Chairmanship of Labour Minister, Govern- 45 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) ' Written Answers 4« mont of West Bengal oa 26th Febrnary, Drop in Ce.itral Government Deposits 1985, trade union representatives, inter- *258 SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS : alia, demanded that all closed and loclced Will the Minister of FINANCE bo out jute mills should bo reopened failing pleased to state : which Government of India should take them over immediatly. In this connec- (a) whether there has been a drop tioii, it may be mentioned that closure/ in the Central Government Deposits Lockout comes under the purview of the during the last two months, January Industrial Disputes Act and the State and Fabruary, 1985; Government is the appropriate authority for matters dealing with industrial (b) if so, the details there of; and disputes. It is, therefore, for the State Government of West Beng'*! to take (c) the reasons for such heavy appropriate action in the matter. transfers of resources from the Central pool to banking system 7

Take-over of an industry is the last THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND resort of reactivating sick units. Govern- COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI ment’s role is primarily to monitor and VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH) : (a) coordinate measures aimed at revival of to (c). The arrangement with the sick units, coupled with assistance Reserve Bai k is that whenever cash from banking and financial institutions balance of Central Government is very who are primarily responsible to take high it should be brought down by remedial measures, inclusive of financial premature cancellation of Treasury and managerial restructuring of the units Bills held by Reserve Bank. Through in order to rejuvenate the industry. this arrengement the idle surplus cash balance which does not earn any interest Second Steel Plant In Orissa is utilised to reduce Government’s interest bearing liability to RBI. This *251. SHRI BRAJA MOHAN does not represent transfer of Centre’s MOHANTY: Will the Minister of resources to banking system. The STEEL, MINES AND COAL be pleased cancellation of Treasury Bills is covered to state: by Appropriation sanctioned by Parliament. (a) whether second steel plant in Orissa is being established during the Setting up of Divisional Offices of L.l C. Seventh Five Year Plan period; lo Jammu and Kasmlr (b) if so, the details thereof; *259. PROF SAIF-UD-DIN SOZ ; Will the Minister of FINANCE be (c) whether any foreign collaboration pleased to state : in this regard is under negotiation; and (a) whether Life Insurance (d) if so, the details thereof ? Corporation of India has set up Divisional Offices in all the big citiss in THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES India; AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : (a) and (b). Government’s decision to set up steol plant at Daitari region in (b) whether he is aware that Orissa remains unaltered. The likely Divisional Offices of Lifd Insurance schedule of setting up of the plant will Corporation of India have been set up depend upon the investment decision at the capitals of all the States except which has yet to be taken. Jammu and Kashmir; and

(c) No, Sir. , (c) if so, whether Divisional Offlces will be set up in near future at Srinagar (d) Does not arise, • and Jammu ? 4t Writtitn Ansvftrs MARCll 20. 1985 Written Ans\^er^ At

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE protect Indian diamond exports from MlWiSTRY OF’ FINANCE (SHRI these houses ? JANARDHANA POOJARY); (a) No, Sir. The LIC has Divisional Offices only THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE in 43 cities. MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGlvtA) : (b) The L ie has no Divisional (a) The Hindustan Diamond Company Offices in 9 State Capitals. Limited and the Minerals and Metals Trading Corporation of India (c) The question of openirg Divisiona Limited procure rough diamonds for Offices in Srinagar and Jammu is to be stock and sate to eligible diamond decided by LIC on merits. traders for export production and cut and polished diamonds. Import of Sight-Saving Equipments under Life-Say ing Category (b) Export of cut and polished *260. SHRI ANANDA PATHAK : diamonds is constantly encouraged. SHRI R.P. DAS : Will the Minister of COMMERCE (c) The Diamond Trading Company is reported to control substantial part AND SUPPLY be pleased to state : of mining and marketing of road (a) whether the Council of the Asia diamonds. There is no such trading Pacific Academy of Ophthalmology has company for cat and polished diamonds. approached Government to make the (d) There being no trading company import of sight-saving eqDipments duty controlling substantial part of trade in free; cut and polished diamonds, exports from (b) if so, the reaction of Government India are generally arranged by Indian to the said proposal; and merchants directly.

(c) if no such concession is proposed Tea at Seasonable prices to be given, the reasons therefor? ’ * 262. SHRIMATr KISHORI SINK A: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND SUPPLY bo pleased to state : SUPPLY (SHRI P.A. SANGMA) : (a) , YcSrf Sir. (a) whether his Ministry has taken (b) and (c). The request of the Couacil steps to make tea available at reasonable . i« under exa>mina>tU>D. price j; Export of Diamonds (b) whether for this, the proportion of tea to be set apart for auction has *261. SHRI SATYENDRA been reduced; and NARAYAN SINGH : Will the MiniBter of COMMERCE AND SUPPLY 1>e (c) whether pacaged tea at prices' fixed pleased to state : ' ’ by Goverament is being made available . throughout the country for uso by (a) wheteher he has any plans to stock rough diamonds to help diamond common maa ? , -xpqrt efforts; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AN6 (b) if 80, whether cut diamond SUPPLY (SHRI P. A SANGMA)": (a) export is being stepped tip; to (c). The Government have (c) whether international monopoly announced the Tea Marketing Plan for houses are controlling diamond trade ; 1985 with the objectives of maximising 0fld export earnings and at the same time ensuring adequate supply of tea at (d) if 50, the steps ^?ein§ tal^^n tQ reftgonable prices for the den^estic market. 49 Written Answers CHATTRA 8. 1907* <5^jST^) fVritten Answers 50

The following measures have been tea export; specifically desigaed to ensure reasonable prices of tea in the domestic market: (c) if so, the main reasons therefor; (i) 435 M. Kgs. have been allowed and for domestic retention in the marketing plan as against the (d) the steps bsing taken to recapture estimated domestic cansuption the export market 7 requirment of about 415 M. Kgs. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE during 1985. . MINISTRY .'OF COMMERCE AND (ii) The minimum export price SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) mechanism will ensure that only Indian "'Tea is exported to a large the higher value teas are exported, nurabere of countries all over the world. and allow retention of cheaper' Some of the major importers of tea from teas for the domestic market. India arc : USSR, U.K , Egypt, Iraq, (iii) Buying in auctions for exports is Itan, Poland, West Germany, Netherland . being carefully regulated, in order and Afjganistan. . to ensure that prices of purchases of tea for the domestic market (b) There has not been any decline in are kept in check. exports of tea from India, as is evident fpm the following figures. (iv) The percentage of obligatory auction offerings has been Year Qty (M. Kgs) Value (Rs. Crs) increased fron\ 70 to 75%. This 1982 189.9 ’ . 355.55 is expected to ensure a more effective linkage between auction 1983 ■ 208.5 • 516.82 prices and consumer prices and 1984 214.7 744.92 also closer monitoring of (c) and (d). Do not arise. availability of tea. i Geaeration of black money in sale of Basically control over domestic price - / M ^nti Cars of tea is being maintoined by monitoring and regulating the supply and demand 1434.J SHRI MOHAMMAD balance and not by statutory price MAFFOOZ^ ALI K H A N : Will, the control. Statutory price control, is Minister of FINANCE be pleased to considered impracticable in view of the, state : • large number of grands and varieties of tea produced and seasonal variations in (a) whether attention of Government quality. ; has been drawn to the press report appeare(^ in the* Indian Express’ on 24th * As a result of these measures, th^ January, 1985 regarding generation of package tea prices of popular, brands black money in the sale of Maruti Cars liave come down arid prices in Indian and alleged Involvement of a group auctions are significiantly lesser then of senior Maruti executives; Auction prices at major auction centres ■ . ' abroad, for the types pf tea consumed (b) if so, the details of findings in this domestically. regard; and

Decline In Export of Tea ^ (c) .the reaction of Government thereto ? • * - H 33. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA ; Will "the ^Ministsr o f COMMERCE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AND SUPPLY be pleased to state : J MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (a) the nams of the countries which JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to (c). Government is aware of the ar -j importing tea from India; press report. The Income-tax authorities ■ CIO whether there is ft dcQline in t^ie ace looking into some transfers of Maruti :ULWWHQ $QVZHUV 0$5&+ :ULWWHQ$QVZHUV

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notice of the Govornraent or Reserve to the number of branches opened by Bank are taken up with the concerned commercial banks during the years 1982, banks for remedial action. 1983 and 1984 (up to September) and the number of authorisations/licences pending Opening of Branches o f Banks in States with them as on 30-9-84 for opening branches are set out in the Statement 1438. SHRI GADADHAR SAHA : Will attached. the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (c) Under the current branchs licensing policy, the State Governments were (a) the number of banks branches advised to identify rural unbankcd opened during 1982, 1983 and 1984 centres for opening bank branches. The year-wise bank wise andState-wlse details applications received from banks for thereof; opening offices at semi-urban centres and (b) the number of bank branches to be rural centres other than those identified opened during 1985, State-wise and bank- by the State Governments are considered wise details thereof; and by Reserve Bank on merits taking into (c) the criteria of opening of the bank account the population of the centre; branches ? number of offices functioning at the centre or in close proximity there at, business THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE potential available at the centre etc. The MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI centres are generally allowed to the JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) ard Regional Rural Banks in their command (b). Latest available Statewise/ areas and to commercial banks having Union Territorywise information relating adequate representation in the area.

Statement State wise position of offices opsned during the years 1982, 1983 and 1984 iupto September)

I^ame of the State/ No. of offices No. of Authorisations/ Union Territory opened during licences pending with Banks (as on 30-9-84)

1982 1983 1984(up to Sept.)

1 2 3 4 5 1

Andhra Pradesah 183 270 157 218 ' Assam 82 61 44 190 Bihar 320 139 172 635 Gujarat 191 192 77 276 Haryana 61 81 32 35 Himachal Pradesh 29 55 19 41 Jammu & Kashmir 30 48 28 57 Karnataka 159 282 191 ■ 195 Kerala 71 87 35 115 Madhya Pradesh 313 349 204 480 Maharashtra 195 292 154 534 Manipur 4 5 3 33 55 Written Answers MMCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 56

1 2 3 . 4 5

Meghalaya 10 14 12 22 Nagaland 5 4 2 11

Orissa 131 102 134 ^ *. 207 • ' Punjab 69 100 32 f 78 Rajasthan ^ 101 203 157 J 427

Tamil Nadu 127 251 122 151 ' ' i ‘ Tripura • 2j - 1 ' 27 i j ^ ■ Uttar Pradesh 572 ' 585 328 1134 West Bengal • ^ 169 105 88 j 909

Andaman & Nicobar \ 2

, — Islands , 1 . ■ . — 1

Arunachal Pradesh 6 ' 4 5 ^ 21 Chandigarh 7 ’ 7 1 3

Dadra and Nagar Havel i — — , -

Delhi 28 39 28 62

Goa, Daman & Diu 3 8 — 3 Lakshadweep — — —

Mizoram 3 6 24 Pondicherry 2 2 2 2 Sikkim ' 1 10 2

Tot^ 2784 , " 3297 2035 >5992

Opening of Night Bank Branches , opening more such bank branches in the country; 1439. SHRl SAIFUDDtN CHOWDHURY : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (c) if so, the names of those places indicating the names of the banks; (a) the number of night bank branche*., working in the country as on 31 December 1984 in different States, State* (d) the time by which these branches wise and baok”wise details thereof: " are likely to be opened; and • *1 . ^ (b) whether there is any proposal for (e) if not, the reasons thereof ? "* . V( Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (a). Imformation as available with THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE Reseive Bank of India is given •(SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : below:

‘Name of State State Bank of India Union Bank of India

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Maharashtra Sahur Airport, Bortibay Princess Street, Mohammed (Exchange Bureau) Ali Road, Bhulleshwar, . r . . Sahar Airport, Bombay Bhat Bazar, Mandvi, Pune (Foreign Travel Tax City Counter) t # Taj International, Bombay (Exchange Counter) Hotel Centaur, Bombay 1 , • (Exchange Counter)

Tamil Nadu Madras Airport, Madras Triplicanou, . ' Sowcarpet Erode . - Tiruchirappalli West Bengal Airport, Calcutta Ballygunj, Calcutta, (Exchange Bureau) Syam Bazar, Calcutta Ezra Street, Calcutta Kerala Palayam Road, Kozhikode Chalai Bazar, Trivandrum Karnataka Bangalore City. Belgaum (Main) ' Andhra Pradesh Hyderabad (Main) Secunderabad. Guntur ' Gujarat Delhi-Chakla * Ahmedabad t Dhanlaxmi Market, Ahmedabad RajkotKMain) Madhya Pradesh Indore-Siyaganj, * Raipur U.T. of Delhi Palam Airport, New Delhi

' (b) to (c). No such proposals are of now. pending with Reserve Bank of India as 59 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers

Gold Price (a) whethei Government are conside'* ring to start monopoly procurement of raw 1440. SHRI MOHANLAL PATEL jute so that the fibre could be distributed , SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA among the mills according to their needs; Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (b) if so, when and the details thereof;

(a) the present gold price in India and (c) the steps so far taken by Govern- in the international market; ment in this regard; and

(b) whether there has been a sharp (d) if no, the reasons thereof ? rise in the gold price in India recently, if so, the reasons therefor; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND (c) the quantity of gold exported exery SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) ; (a) year in the shape of ornaments and whe- No, Sir, ther it has any effect on the gold price in the country; and (b) & (c). Do not arise.

(d) whether Government are consi- (d) Monopoly procurement of raw jute dering to put some lestriction on the will imply a lot of operational, adminis- export of gold ornaments in future ? trative and infrastructral commitments on the part of the State Government THE MU^ISTER OF STATE IN THE in the form of creation and MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI development of regulated markets on JANARDHANA POOJAY) : (a) on operative organisations of jute growers 20 th March, 1985 the price of etc. In the absence of any decision standard gold per 10 grams in the Bombay regarding such commitmenLs by the State market was Rs. 2125 as against Rs. 1329 Governments, it is difficult to launch any per 10 grams in the London market. scheme for monopoly procurement of raw jute. (b) to (d). Yes, there has been a sharp However, the Jute Corporation of India rise in the price of gold in India recently. is there to protect the interetss of jute Sizeable fluctuations in the gold price growers. The Corportion is responible occur mainly because domestic supplies for undertaking price support are small and speculative factors play an operation of raw jute and undertakes to important role. The export of gold procure the entire quantity of raw jute ornaments does not entail any net outflow offered to it at minimum statutory prioe of gold from the country since the gold fixed by the Government. The Government used in these ornaments is imported from has also accepted the liability to subsidise abroad under official schemes, such as that the losses incurred by the Corporation on operated by the Handicrafts and price support operations of raw jute in Handloom Export Corporation. The the interests of jute growers. exports of gems and jewellery are important earners of foreibU exchange. There With a view to bring about equitable is no proposal at present under considera- distribution of raw jute among mllla, the tion by the Government to restrict the Government has regulated stock holdings export of gold ornaments, of raw jute by mills under the Jute (Control and Licensing) Order, 1961. Manopoly Procurement of Raw Jute New Marketing Policy 1441. SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA : Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND 1442. SHRI LAKSHMAN SUPPLY be Pleased to state ; MALLICK Will the Minister of 01 Written Answers CHATTRA 8, 1907 (S'y^AT^) Written Answers 62 c o m m e r c e a n d s u p p l y be every quarter. A major review will take pleased to state ; place around the middle of the year when the bulk of production enters the market and more accurate estimates of (a) whether Government have production become possible. recciitly accounced their new marketing policy for 1985 to ensure maximisation of expert earnings ard adequate avail- (iii) In order to ensure steady ability in the domestic market so that domestic priccs, its has been felt neces- the consumer gets this essential sary to regulate the buying of tea for commodity at a resaonable price; and export in Indian public auctions. This will be done by Chairman, Tea Board (b) If so, the details thereof as well who will announce quarterly ceilings for such purchases separately for CTC teas as the targets for tea including value and orthodox teas for the public tea added varieties fixed by Government ? ' auction centres-namely Calcutta, Gauhati, Siliguri and Amritsar in North Th e m i n i s t e r o f s t a t e i n India; Cochin, Coimbatore and Coonoor THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE in South India. All buying for exports in AND SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA); such auctions will be rcqulated and will (a) Yes, Sir. have to be registered with Tea Board by the buyers as well as by the auction (b) A statement is attached. committees. Export shipment licences will only be available on the basis of Statement such registration.

The salient features of the Tea (iv) In order to monitor more closely the availability of tea coming Marketing Plan for 1985 are as under : into the market and also to ensure steady auction prices as well as to ensure close linkage between domestic (i) The production target for 1985 prices and auclion prices, it has been has been fixed at 655 million kgs. decided to increase the percentage of while the export target for the year is obligatory sales through Indian auction 220 million kgs. inclusive of value added by all tea manufacturing units from 70 teas. This will leave a balance of 435 per cent to 75 per cent. million kgs. which will be suf&cient to meet the domestic requirement estimated at about 415 million kgs. In order to (v) This regime will ensure that avoid bunching of exports and to ensure exports are higher when not only that exports are evenly phased so as to availability of tea is h'gh, but when quality keep the demand and supply in balance teas enter the market. Thes stipulation at all times, quarterly export targets of exports being subject to minimum have been indicated. The exports in the export price for bulk teas and packet first and second quarters, when avail- tea will also continue to operate foi the ability of the first production is low, are same reason. This will ensure that planned at 40 million kgs. each. Higher higher value teas get priority in term? export at 80 million kgs. are planned of utilisation of export quota. for the third quarter when the bulk of (vi) It is considered view of Govern- Indian production comes into tho ment that Indian auction are the best market and the exports for the forth means for disposal of bulk teas where quarter will be 60 million kgs. buying take place under competitive conditions in well regulated open (ii) The production and export auctions. Therefore, out of total exports targets are to be reviewed jointly by the of the order of 220 milon kgs. exports Tea Board and the Consultative on the basis of auction buying area Committees of plantation Association cxpected to account for 75 million kgs. 63 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Wriiten Amwers 64

That is roughly 80 per cent of export exports allowed during the first six are expected to take place in ihis months will be 24 million kgs. inclusiyo manner. or 9 million kgs. released during January and February 1985. The six (vii) Direct exports, outside the month quota for orthodox tea will be auction system will bi allowed to the 22 million kgs. and for CTC tea 2 extent of 45 million kgs. including a millinon kgs. Direct export quota of 2 small quota for experts by consignment million kgs. will be limited to ortho- to auctions abroad Direct exports will dox tea. The quotas for the first six also be carefully regulated on the basis months have bsen carefully worked out of quarterly ceilings aad are mainly based on an analysis of the pattern of meant to cater for sTiaMer quantities of exports in the past years alongwith the higher value teas. The MEP for direct need to ensure that exports are related exports will be basid on an assessment of to the availability of quality tea. the best international prices and will be higher than that for exports based solely (xi) The total exports of orthodox on auction buying. While there will bo tea to be allowed for the whole year no MEP for exports of tea consigned to will not exceed 150 million kgs. leaving auctions abro:\d, sincj the sale takes about 3 5 million kgs. required for the place outside India, such consignments domestic market. Orthodox tea exports will be closely regulated, not only on from North India will be of the order the bisis of part porformance in terras of 102 million kgs. and from South of quanlities, but also on the basis of India 48 million kgs. Similarly the position of stocks and price trends in exports of CTC tea will be restricted to auction centres abroad and the price 70 million kgs. leaving about 400 kgs. performance of producer exporters in for he domestic market. this manner. (xii) The exports from July to (viii) While the overall target of December, 1985 from North India are 220 million kgs. is inclusive of exports likely to be of the order of 111 million of Darjeeling tea, Green Tea, packet kgs. while the exports from South India tea, instant tea and tea packets, exports during this period are likely to be of of such tea will not be restricted. the order of 29 million kgs. Although the target for value added teas had been fixed at 20 million kgs. Larger (xiii) The export targets under exports of such teas and Darjeeling differnt categories for the whole year tea will be encouraged and promotional are indicative and are likely to be varied activities will be constantly reviewed to depending on the production situation give a necessary fillip to such exports. and* on domestic and international prices. Even for the period March to June, (ix) Total exports of tea from North Chairman, Tea Board is empowered to India for the period January to June make marginal adjustments in order to 1985 will be of 56 million kgs. inclusive ensure smooth flow of exports. of the quota of 20.42 million kgs. release for January and February, 1985. Dccline in Exports of Gems And, Jewellery For these six months the quota for Orthodox exports will be 32 million kgs. 1443. SHRI PIYUSTIRAKY ; Will and for CTC 24 million kgs. The ceiling the Minister of COMMERCE AND for exports buying from Ihdian auctioni SUPPLY be pleased to state: will be 29 million kgs. for orthodox tea and 12 million kgs. inclusive of a small (a) whether exports of gems and quantity meant for consignment to jewellery during the first nine months of auction abroad. Direct of orthodox tea current financial year (A.pril-December, will be limited to 3 million kgs. ‘ 1984) have totalled Rs. 951 crores (x) As regards South Iqdia^ totJ^l ^agaiqst Rs. 96? crgres in thp same Wrimn Answers CHAITRA, 8, 1907 iSAKA) Written Answers 66

period of the previous year; SUPPLY be pleased to state :

(b) if so, the reasons for the docline (a) whether Government have in exports of g^ras and jewellery; received any resolution adopted by the Bengal Chatkal Mazdoor Union at their (c) the steps taken by Government Central Executive Committee meeting to improve the exports; and opposing the Indian Jute Manufactureis Association’s (IJMA) demand for a (d) Qovernnjont’s stand on more production cut on the plea of raw jute shortage; man-power utilization foreign expertise and equipment, productivity increase and rationalisation of procedures as the (b) if so, the salient features of the areas where remedial action is neces- said resolution; and sary, training of artisanj>, techno- marketing consultancy arrangements (c) the reaction of Government etc ? thereto and the steps taken or proposed to taken in the market by the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Govenment ? MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Yes, Sir. MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) (b) Some of the reasons for the and (b). A Resolution was adopted marginal decline in this sector include in the Central Executive Committee hike in the interest rates in major meeting of Bengal Chatkal Mazdoor markets abroad, reluctance on the part Union held on 16-2-1985 and the follo- of Indian exporters to sell on long term wing main demands were put forward by credits because of reported bankruptcies, them : rising strength of the dollar and restricted availability of rough colour (i) Mills must work all the days and gem stones, etc. there should not be any stoppage or closure of mills; (c) Steps taken by Government to improve these exports include facility (ii) Raw jute be declared as an Essen- to import essential equipment and tools tial Commodity and hoarded stocks under OGL, reduction in import duty be seized; on a numbsr of essential tools and equipment and broad-basing of export (iii) Reopen all closed/lockfcd out mills producion of gold jewellery for exports. failing which Government must take over all closed mills imme- (d) Emphasis is constantly laid on d.atcly; increase in productivity and value realisation in the gem and jewellery (iv) There should be monopoly scctor by means of training of artisans procurement of raw jute by and upgradation of technology and Government of India from skills for which proposals are considered growers; on merits for utilisation on equipment as well as personnel from abroad. (c) A Statement is attached. Opposttlon to IJMA’S demand for production cut due to ravr Jute Statement Shortage 1444. SHRI AMAL DATTA : Will In so far as stoppage of work in jute the Minister of COMMERCE AND mills and closure/lock-out of jute mills is .^67 Written Amwers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers '68

concerned, it may bo mentioned that Opening of Branch of Commercial Bank in the matter comes under the purview of Sripalli-Hill View-New Upper Chelidaoga the Industrial Disputes Act and the State of Asansol , Government is the appropriate authority for matters dealing with industrial 1445. SHRI AJIT KUMAR SAHA : disputes. It isj therefore, for the State Will the Minister of FINANCE be Government to take appropriate action pleased to state: in the matter. (a) whether there is any proposal With regard to take-over of closed/ to open a branch of any commercial lockcd out mills, it may be clarified that bank in Sripalli-Hill View-New Upper take-over of an industry is the last Chelidanga of Asansol which is more method of reactivating sick urits. populated area: ■ Government’s role is primarily to monitor and coordinate measure aimed (b) if so, when and details thereof; at revical of the sick units, coupled with ' assistance from bimking and financial institutions who are primarily respon- (c) if not, the reasons thereof; sible to take remedial measures inclusive and of financial and managerial restructuring of the uniti in order to rejuvenate the (d) The criteria for opening of the industry. bank branch ?

Raw jute has already been declared as essential commodity under the Essential THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Commodity Act, 1955. In the Tripartite THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE ^ meeting held under the Chairmanship of (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY): Labour Minister, Govt, of West Bengal (a) to (c). Reserve Bank of India on 26-2-1985, trade union representa- has reported that no proposal for open- tives stressed the need for undertaking ing a branch of a commercil bank at drive to unearth excess stocks lying with Sripalli-Hill View-New Upper Cheli- affluent mills and traders. It was danga of Asansol is currently pending clarified in the said meeting by the Jute with it. The Centre was also not identi- Commissioner that if the State Govern- fied by the Government of West Bengal ment, on the basis of enquiry reports for branch opening during the current from its authorised field officiaKs, brings branch licensing policy period, April the fact to the notice of the Jute 1982 to March 1985. Commissioner, appropriate action could be taken under the Jute (Control and (d) Under the above policy, the Licensing, Order, 1961. State Governments were advised to identify rural unbanked centres for open- In so far as monopoly procurement of ing bank branches. The applications raw jute is concerned, it may be men- received from banks for opening oflSces tioned that monopoly procurement of at Semi-urban centres and rural centres raw jute will imply a lot of operational, other than those identified by the State administrative and infrastructural com- Governments are considered by Reserve mitments on the part of the State Bank on merits taking into account the Governments in the form of creation population of the centre, number of and development of regulated markets, offiiccs functioning at the centre or in co-operative organisations of jute also proximity thereat, business potential growers etc. In the absence of any available at the centre etc. The Centres decision regarding such commitments by are generally allowed to Regional Rural the State Governments, it is difficult to Banks in their command areas and to launch any scheme for monopoly commercial banks having adequate procurement of raw jute, representation in the ?irea. 6^' l^ritten Answers CHAITkA 8, l907 (SA^A) Written Answers '701 T

ExporfofMica to U.S S.R. (d) whether the identity of the informer is kept strictly secret ? 1446. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PA’fNAIK : Will the Minister of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE COMMERCB AND SUPPLY be MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI pleased to state : JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to (c). Under th:> existing scheme, (a') whether Government have pro- informers are eligible for a cish reward posal to export Mica to the Soviet upto 10% of the value of Indian currency Union; and foreign currency confiscated and the penalty realised. In customs cases, it Cb) if so, the quantum of Mica has bjen decided, on review and as part proposed to be exported to the SDviet of the intensification of the anti-smuggl- Union; and ing drive, to raise the reward eligibility of informers form 10% to 20% of the value of contraband good seized. (e) wheter Government propose to export mica directly or through any of I considering the cash reward, factors their agency ? such as, accuracy, utility, diflliculty in obtaining information form other THE MINISTER OF STATE IN sources, his antecedents, the risk to THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE which he is exposed, etc. are taken into AND SUPPLY (SHRl P A. SANGMA) : account. (a) Yes, Sir. I (d) Yes, Sir. (b) in January 1985, a contract for 3242 MT of mica valued at Rs. 1124 Companies Violating Foreign Exchange lakhs has been signed by the Mica Regulations Trading Corporation of India Ltd., with USSR for supplies upto September, 1985. 1448. SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: Will the Minister of FINANCE be Further contract i5 also likely to be pleased to state : concluded towards 3rd/4th quarter of 1985. (a) the particulars of companies with import licences, found indulging in . (c) Expart of processed mica is cana- violation of foreign exchange regulations', lised through Mica Trading Corpora- and evasion of customs duty during’’ tion of India Ltd., 1984-8 5; Reward to Informers of TaxEvasioa etc. by Companies (b) the amou nt involved in each case; * and ■ ’

1447. SHRI K. KUNJAMBU : Will (c) th^ action taken against each of the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to these companies ? ' state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ' (a) whether there is any scheme for MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI giving cash reward to any informer who JANARDHANA POOJHRY) : to Ca) gives information about foreign exchange (c). The information is being collected ' violation, evasion of customs duty etc. and will be laid on the Table of i]x^^ by private companies; House. , ( Memorandum from A.P. Country (b) if so, the details thereof; Tobacco Cheroot Manufacturers Association (c) the criteria adopted fjr deter- mining cash reward; and 1449. SHRIBB. RAMAIAH : WiU. 1L Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 72 tho Minister of FINANCE be pleased to domestic and overseas markets, to state : abnormally high prices of jute goods, which was caused by steep (a) whether Government have received increase in raw jute prices and in a detailed memorandum recently from the cost of production. the Andhra Pradesh Country Tobacco Cheroot Manufacturers Association 2. Increased use of synthetic substi- highlighting need for relief on the cheroot tutes in some foreign countries cottage Industry which is in poor because of high prices of jute items. condition; 3. A larger jute crop is expected next (b) if so, the details thereof; and season, which may reduce prices of jute goods. Consumers have, there- (c) Government’s reaction thereto ? fore, confined their purchases t>. the barest minimum for the time being.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4. Present period is also the domestic MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI off-season for the jute industry. The JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to purchase of sugar bags is practical'y (c). A memorandum of Andhra Pradesh over. Government agencies have Country Tobacco Cheroot Manu- also built up comfortable stocks of factures Federation has been received, R. Twill bags for packing rabi crop which seeks either complete exemption of foodgrains. from excise duty on branded cheroots, or enhancement of the exemption limit In order to boost exports based on value, available to such of jute goods, the Govern* cheroots. This has been considered by mcnt have taken several steps the Govenment, and it h?s not been which include : found possible to accede to the request. (i; providing higher CCS to jute carpet Decline in Export Market for Jute backing cloth and yarn on the basis Goods of matching performance by industry; ^ 1450. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN : Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND (ii) formulation of STC jute industry SUPPLY be pleased to state : consertium on 50 : 50 loss-sharing basis for exports of carpet backing (b) whether the market for jute goods cloth to North Amcrica; has become stagnant with domestic and export enquiries and prices of nearly all (iii) Arranging participation in interna- categories drifting downwards; and tional trade fairs and sponsoring market oriented trade delegations (b) if so, the reasons for such decline from time to time; bnd the. steps taken and/or contemplated 1 (iv) Encouraging development of expor- table products through R and D THE MINISTER OF STATE IN efforts; and THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI P.A. SANGMA): (v) Constituting a new JMDC and a jute (a) and (b). The jute goods market Fund out of proceeds of Jute Cess has receptly become stagnant in both to give boost to R and C efforts dotnestic and export sectors. Price of and export promotion. nearly all categories of jute goods, particularly sacking, are drifting down- The Government have been taking wirds due to the following factors : several steps, from time to time, to improve the viability of the jute industry 1. Coosumors resistance, both ia which include : 73 ryr/tten Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) ^rittten Ansmrs 74

(i) Purchase of juto goods by Govern- Taxes have since received from ment (DGS & D) from jute industry Air-India the names of landlords with on cost plus basis; whom such rent agreements have been entered, This information has been (ii) Introduction of compulsory use of passed on to the concerned Commis- 100% new jute bugs by cement sioners of Income-tax for appropriate industry; action under the Income-tax Act, 1961. Results of the inquiries will b^^ known (ili) Pursuading other user departments only after the investigations are to use more jute bags, instead of completed. synthetic substitutes ; Improvements in Mining Techniques and Modernising Eqiipme.it at (iv) Free import of raw jute from Nepal Talcher Coalfields through JCt; 1452. SHRI K. PRADHAMf : Will the (v) S^tiiag up of a Staidi.ig Committee Minister of STEEL, MINES AND under ths auspices of RBI to stud; COAL be pleaded to state the sieps viability of jute mills and to suggest being taken or proposed to hi taken to a package of financial measures for improvj thi miniig tcchniqucs and reh ibilitation of potentially viable m^dirnis? thi cqiipm)nt at Talcher units. Chilficlds with a viow to raise the co.il output quantitatively aid q.ialitatively ? Computation of Income tax in cases where Landlords Receive Portion of Rent in Kind THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : Daring the Seventh Five Year Plan 1451. SHRl SANAT KUMAR th^ co.tl prodi:ti)n from Talchcr MANDAL :Will the MmljLer of FINANCB Coalfields is expjctod to increase from be pleased to refer to the reply given to thj present level of 3.43 million tonnes Unstarred Qaestioii No. 37 12 on the in 198 1-85 to 8 9 m t. in 1989-90. In 17th August, 1984 regarding computa- ordir to ac.iicvc this quantum of increase tion of Income tax i.i cases where land- in production, a numbj: of steps are lords receive portion of rent in kind and being takai. Somi of th^se stjps being state ; taken are as follows :—

(a) whether the AiL-InJia’s reply has (i) A n;w opincait oal project with sincj been received and if so^ the action annual uu^piit capinty of 3.50 baing taken to levy Iheome-tax on ths m llioi to n es at Bhirtpur and a Air-India’s landlords for th3 concealed pithead wishery hive been sanc- benefit enjoyed by them of free air-passage tioned. to foreign countries of their ch.iicc prov.- ded by Air-India; aid (ii) Expaision of capacity of Jagannath opencast mince from 1.00 rat. to (b) the number of cases in which these 2.00 mC per year has been landlords have concealed this monetary approved. impact in their returns of income submitted to respective Income tax (iii) Action is in hand to update revised Offices if at all they did it and the penal projet report for South Balanda action proposed to be taken against thcso mine for increasing its production unscrupulous landlords ? to 1 mt. per yjar daring 1986-87 from present level of production of 0.60 mt. during 1984-85. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARUHAN POOJARY) ; (a) and (iv) Feasibility studies for opening a (b). The Central Board of Direct highly mechanised undergound mine tVritten Answers MARCH 19, .1985 l^ritten Answers i6‘

at Ananta with French assistance deposited in these mines; and are in progress. (e) the details thereof ? (v) New opencast projects namely Ananta and Kalinga are also being THE MINISTER OF STEEL, planned for development to nacet MINES AND COAI, (SHRI v a s a n t the increasing requirement of coal SATHE) : (a) Yes. Sir. by the Power Sector. (b) During the Sixth Five Year Plan (vll Feasibility of updating the raining period, several areas in Andhra Pradesh m-thods in Nandira underground Karnataka, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Madhya and Talcher undergound mines is Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and also being examined. Orissa were covered for gold exploration by GSI, MECL and State Government (vii) Drawing up a master Plan of agencics. Talcher coalfield have also been *taken up to identify maj^r cjal (c) As a result of the exploration mining blocks for exploration and surveys carried out, gold mineralisation infrastructural requirements. has b^en located in Chigargunta and Millappakonda areas in ChittODr district Exploration of New Gold Mines and Kottapalle bLick in Anantpu r district of Andhra Pradash, and in the 1453. SHRI SOMNATH RATH : extension areas of the Hutti and Gadag Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES Gold Fields in Karnataka. AND COAL h i pleased to state : A gold mining project has been (a) whether steps havj been taken started at Yeppamana, Anantpjr d strict by Government for the exploration of of Andhra Pradesh. Tne HitM Gald new gold minis in the country; Mines Limited is developing the Mangalur prospicl; in Gulbirga district (b) if so, the numb-^r of the new gold to study its economic viability. Inv3stiga- mines waich have been explored during tions for gold are continuing in various the Sixth Five Year Plan; other parts of the country.

(c) the location of each of these gold (d) and (e) . The reserves of gold ore mines; found in the various deposits are roughly (d) the approximate quantum of gold estimated as follows :—

State District Location Qjantum of ore Reserves and Grade (in Million Tonnes

Andhra Chittoor Mallappakonda 0.77 (2.4 to 4 gm/tonne) Pradesh

Chittoor Chigargunta 4.19 (4 to 5 gm/tonne) Anantpur Yerrappa-Gantalappa Exploration is in progress Anantpur Yeppamana 3.57 (with 4.69 gm/tonne) Anantbur Kothapalle (Ramgiri) Results not significant. Karnataka Riiichur Huttutti Areas 1.92 with 3 gm/tonne. (Wondali Kadani. etc) 77 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 iSAKA) Written Answers 78

1 2 3 . 4

/ Dharwar Gadag areas (Hosur 1.23 (with 1 to 5 gm/tonne) block) Shimoga Honnali Exploration is in progress Gulbarga Mangalur HGML started development of Schist belt a new mine.

Kerala Mallapurara Mar uda 0.3 (with 4 gm/tonne) Mallapuiara Nilambur 3 8 Million cubic meters placer gravel with average grade of 0.1 gm of gold, per cubic meter.

Minor occurrences of gold have b^ea found so far in Bih ir, Orissa, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Uttar Pradesh and Haryana, Exploration work in these States is continuing.

Opening of Branches of Nationalised (c) Licences.have been granted by the Banks Abroad Rese/ve Bank of India to two Foreign banks to open a branch each in India. 1454. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN : However, it is not certain whether these SHRI CHINTAMANI JEblA : branches would become operative Will the Minister of FINANCE be during 1985. pleased to state : Disparity in Rate of Interest on (a) the number of branches of Saving Accounts in Banks nationalised banks opened abroad during and Post Ogices 1984, couitry-wise; 1455. SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINGH: (b) the number of branches of foreign Will the Minister of FINANCE banks opened in India together with be pleased to state ; their location during the same period; and (a) whether the rate of interest given to customers on saving accounts in the (c) the number of branches of foreign banks is 5 per cent while it is 51 1/2% in banks likely to be opened during the Post office; year 1985 ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the reasons of this MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI disparity; JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) and (b). During the year 1984, one Indian (c) whether dus to this disparity in bank opened a branch in Japan. the rate of interest the customers prefer to deposit the amount in Post Office One Foreign bank opened a branch saving accounts than in banks; and at Bombay, Another Foreign bank opened a branch at New Delhi by upgrading its Representative Office ar4 (d) whether it is proposed to remove by closing its branch at Calcutta, this disparity and if so, from when ? 79 Writlen Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 90

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE involve back so back tie-up arrangements MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI with the National Textile Corporation, JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) For State sector spinning mills by way of Savings accounts of ir dividual s, advancc for cotton to be purchased by Sanchayika accounts, and Provident suoh milk or supply of cotton to such Fund accounts ctc. in Post Office, the mills for providing various counts of yarn rate of interest is 5.5 per cent per annnm. indicated by the Corporation. This may However, the rate of interest for institu- also have to be b icked up by advances tional accounts is 5 per cent per annum. from user agency, if necessary and CDmmitmont to lift yarn as per their (b) to (d). The interest rate on Post and delivery schedules . Office savings accounts is fixed taking into account the fact that these accounts Minerals Located in Himachal are essentially meant for individual small Pradesh, Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir During the last savers and the pDSt offices do not provide three years the entire gamut of facilities and services the commercial banks provide. There is also a ceiling of Rs. 25,000/ on indivi- 1457. PROF. NARAIN CHAND dual accounts. PARASHAR : Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES AND COAL be pleased to state : Buffer Stock of Yarn Under National Handloom Development Corporation (a) whether any minerals have been located in Himachal Pradesh, Punjab and 1455. SHRIMATI MADHURI Jammu ard Kashmir during the surveys SINGH : Win the Minister of conducted for this purpose in the past COMMERCE and SUPPLY be pleased three years including the current finan- to state ; cial year i.e, 19^84-85;

(a) whether there is a proposal to (b) if so, the details thereof, state- create a buffer stock of Ycrn under the wise; aegis of the National Handloora Develop- ment Corporation (NHOC) to stablise (c) The steps taken by Government its prices; and to exploit these resources; and (b) if so, the details in this regard ? (d) if not, whether any steps are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE proposed to be taken for this purpose ? MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI P.A. SANGMA) : (a) THE MINISTER OF STEEL. MINES and (b). The lo.ig term yarn AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : purchase and sale policy of the N:ational (a) and (b). Exploration for Handloom Development Corporation minerals is a continuous process and is envisages buffer stocking of yarn. Though undertaken by the Geological Survey of the details of the scheme have not yet India and the State Government agencies been finalized, long term strategy of the according to an approved programme. Corporation is to provide regulatory As a result of such surveys by the mechanism in the market by seting up Geological Survey of India and the buffer inventory, keeping in view the State Governments, the following mine- trend cycles in yarn prices, for release rals have been located in Himachal of yarn in times of scarcity and escala- Pradesh, Punjab and Jammu & Kashmir tion of prices. This strategy may alsio during the Iftst three years ; 81 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAI~A) Written Answers 82

Minerals Location Remarks

Himachal Pradesh 1. Copper-lead-zinc (base Chamri-Anyar in Sirmur Exploration is in pro~:;ress. metals) district 2. Limestone Sirmur, Kulu Simla and Kangra Districts. · 3. Barytes Simla District 4. Clays Kaagra District S. Gold mineralisation Sirmur District.

Jammu and Kashmir 1. Base-metals Doda District Sma 11 and sporadic occur- Leh District rences.

2. Limestone Rajouri District 8 m.t. have been estimated.

)( 3. Class-sand Doda District A reserve of about 1 m.t. has been estimated so far.

4. Magnesite Leh District 3 3 Magnesite bodies totall- ing about 45,000 tonnes have been estimated.

S. Tungsten Nubra Only stream samples . have shown Tungsten value in Nubra Shyok valleys.

6. Chromite Leh District. Small bodies of varying dimensions have been located in Leh District.

Punjab 1. Halite (rock salt) Faridkot District A cumulativ·; thickness of 47 m. of rock salt (Halite) occurs in boreholes at deeper• levels.

2. Gold Ropar District Traces of gold have been found in the stream sediments of Patiali Rao and Jaintia Rao rivers and . their tributaries. Work is still in progress.

3. White silica sand Garhshankar area of Hoshiar- pur District. 83 Written Answers m a r c h 29, 1985 Written Answers 84

(c) and (d). Exploration work for bauxite mine of 2.3 million tonnes per gold and base metals is still coatinulng. annum capacity and alumina plant/mine Exploitation of white silica deposits and expansion later. During further discus- Saltpeter is being done by private sions, the Soviet side agreed to consider parties in Punjab. the question of financing a major part o f the local costs of the export-oriented Exploitation of some of the minerals bauxite mine, and extending credit for has already been taken up. In other bauxite mine expansion and alumina cases, this can be done only after the plant to the extent of Soviet equipment economic viability of the deposits is and services, and buying back on long- established. term bas’s 3 lakh tonnes of alumina per year. Setting up of Alumina Project in Andhra Pradesh The matter was discussed with the Soviet side early in March, 1985 when 1458. SHRI S.M. BHATTAM : Will it was proposed that construction of the the Minister of STEEL MINES AND bauxite mine of 2.3 million tonnes per COAL be pleased to state : annum capacity for export of bauxite to U.S.S.R. may be taken up first. Both (a) Whether the Soviet experts after sides agreed to hold further discussions a vist to Visakhapatnara in Andhra for evaluating the financial and econo* Pradesh along with the officials of the mic as' iCts of the bauxite mine. Bharat Alluminium Company Limited heth “ submitted the feasibility report of six Ejects of Rise in Steel Prices lakh tonne allumina project in 1980; . 1459. SHRI DHARAMVIR SINGH : (b) whether the estimated cost of WUl the Minister of STEEL, MINES the same at first quarter of 1980 price AND COAL be pleased to state : level is estimated to be Rs. 426 crores and for eight lakh tonne plant is Rs. 498 crores; (a) whether the prevailing high prices of steel have adversely affected (c) whether Goverment have the engineering goods exports and added recently reached an agreement with the to the inflationary pressure on the U.S.S.R. on the question of provision of economy in general; and a Comprehensive package for finan cing virtually the entire capital cost and (b) if 80, the steps Government arrangements to buy back the alumina propose to take to reduce the current produced; and high prices of steel ?

(d) if so, the relevant details of such agreement ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF STEEL (SHRI K . NATWAR SINGH) : (a) and THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES (b). No, Sir. The exporters of AND COAL (SHSI VASANT SATHE) : engineering goods are reimbursed the (a) to (d). Yes Sir. In 1980, the difference between the domestic and Soviet said prepared a feasibility report international prices of steel under the for a 6,00,000 to 8,00,000 tonnes per International Prices Reimbursement annum alumina plant, at an estimated Scheme of the Ministry of Commerce. cost of Rs. 426 crores for 6 lakh tonnes plant and Rs. 498 crores for 8 lakh tonnes plant (at first quarter 1980 price It is expected that the impact of the level), based on the bauxite deposits recent price increase announced by the in Andhra Pradesh. Subsequently, the JPC will only be about 0.4% oo the Spyiet side suggested an export-oriented whplesale price index. S5 Vf^rttien Anstvers CHAItRA. 8, l9 0 t (5'.4JfA) tVrhien Answers d6

Income-tex relief on bad and FINANCE be pleased to state: doubtful debts of Scheduled Commercial Banks (a) whether Government propose 1460. SHRI VIJAY KUMAR to bring more cansumer items under YADAV : Will the Minister of price control during the Seventh Five FINANCE be pleased to state : Year Plan; and

(a) whether Government have a (b) if so, the details thereof ? proposal under consideration to give income-tax relief on bad and doubtful THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dibts of the scheduled commercial MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI brnks; JANARDHANA POOJARY); (a) The Seventh Plan is currently under (b) if so, the details of the proposal; formulation. and (b) Does not arise. (c) The details of the bad and doubtful debts of the nationalised banks dur- Suggestion to tax Agricalturai Sector ing the last three years, year-wise ? and Rural Non-Poor

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 1462. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE; THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE Will the Minister of FINANCE (SHRI JANARDKANA POOJARY) : be pleased to state: (a) and (b). Banks are allowed deduction, in the computati.. n of their (a) whether several leading econo- taxable profits, the amount of debt mists have suggested to Government of which is established to have become bad taxing agricultural sector and rural during the previous year subject to non-poor; certain conditions. Further scheduled commercial banks are allowed deduction (b) if so, the reaction of Goverment in respect of provisions made by them thereto; and for bad and doubtful debts relating to advances by their rural branches subject (c) whether Government propose to to a maximum of 11 J% of such aggre- enlist these suggestions in the new gate averagee advances. It is now pro- economic policy ? posed to fnrther liberalise this provision so -hat the limit is raised to 10% of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE profit or 2% of the aggregate MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI average advances made by the rural JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) :Yjs , branches of banks whichever is higher. Sir. (c) According to the forms of Balance Sheet and Profit and Loss (b) and (c). Taxation of agricultural Account prescribed in the Third income falls within the fiscal jurisdiction Schedule of Banking Regulation Act, of the States. Action in this regard can 1949, banks are given statutory protec- be considered only by the States. tion from disclosing the particulars and Lifting of Excise Duty on Machinery and quantum of bad and doubtful debts for Custom Duty on Capital Goods which provision is made to the satisfaction of auditors. The required informa- 1463. PROF. RAMKRISHNA tion therefore cannot be made available. MORE : Will the Minister of laclusion of more consumer items FINANCE be pleased to state : under price control

14(51. SHRI RAM BHAGAT (a) whether Indian Merchant Cham- PASWAN : Will the Minister of ber have urged Goverument to lift Z l Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 88

excise duty on machinery and removal MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI of customs duty on capital goods; JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to (c). The income derived by growing (b) if so, the details thereof; and cardamom is agricultural income. Taxes on agricultural income figures at item (c) the reaction of Government 46 of List II-St:ite List in the Seventh thereto ? Schedule to the Constitution of Ind'a. Therefore, thd Union Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN is not concerned with the matter. THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) and (b). In their Pro-Budget Mamo- Scheme for Welfare of Plantation Workers randum, the Indian Marchants’ Chamber has suggested removal of excise duty and reduction of customs duty on 1466. PROF. P.J. KURIEN : Will capital goods and exemption from the Minister of COMMERCE AND customs duty on capital goods covered SUPPLY be Pleased to state : under project imports, including those for tLchnological upgradation and (a) whether there is any scheme for modernisation of existing units. the welfare of plantation workers in the country; and (c) Having regard to the relevant cons'.dcrations, the Government have already g'vcn in this year’s Budget (b) if so, the details therof ? ccrtain concessions in respact of project imports. The rale of duty on pr.)ject THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE imports in general has been reduced MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND from 6 5 ^ to 45% ad valorem and that SUPPLY (SHRI p. A. SANGMA) : on power projects to 25% ad valorem, (a) and (b). The Plantation Labour while fertilizer projects have been fully Act 1951, provides am,ong other things exempted. for welfare of Plantation workers and The other suggestions of the Chamber is enforced by the State Governments have not been found acceptable. who are also empowered to frame the mles under the Act. Rquest for exemption of replanting Expenditure on Cardamom from ' Income tax The Act among other things; casts an . obligation on plantations to maintain 1465. PROF. P. J. KURIEN : Will wholesome drinking water supply proper the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to conservancy arrangments, medical stale : , facilities, canteens, educational facilities, housing accommodation and other (a) whether the replanting expendi- required amenities for workers. ture incurred by cardamom growers is not a deductible item for the purpose of In addition to these, the tea industry income-tax at present; also provides subsidiesed foodgrains to workers. (b) whether any representation has been received requesting Government to The different Commodity Boards allow this expenditure as a deductible also have various schcmes for educa- item for the above purpose; and tional stipends to wards of plantation workers, grants for educational institu- (c) if so, the decision thereon ? tions and hospitals, financial assistance for disabled workers or in cases of pro* THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE longed illness. 89 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 Written Answers 90

Production of Tobacco and setting up of (b) Minimum Export Prices (MEP) Tobacco Trading Corporation for export of different grades of 1467. SHRI N.V. RATNAM ; Will Flue-Cured Virginia Tobacco, Sun- the Minister of COMMERCE AND Cured Virginia Tobacco, Sun-Cured SUPPLY be pleased to slate : *Natu* (Country) and Sun-Cured Jutty Tobacco for the crops of 1985, 1984 (a) the quantity of tobacco and 1983 as applicable from 1-2" 1985 produced in each State for the last five have been announced on 1-2-1985. years; (c) Canalisation of the exports of all (b) the steps taken by Government for fixation of minimum export prices tobacco through a canalising agency has for tobacco; not been found feasible. (c) the steps taken or proper canalisation of all tobacco exports; (d) rnd (e). The Andhra Pradesh Government had inter-alia suggested (d) whether Government of Andhra setting up of an organisation in the Pradesh have requested the Union Central Sector to purchase VEC Government to set up Tobacco Trading tobacco from primary growers. This has Corporation on the lines of Jute Govern- been examined by Government. An ment and Tea Trading Corporation; auction system has since been introduced and in Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh for (e) The rea: tion of Union Govern- sale of Tobacco. A Trading Wing has ment thereto ? also been set up in the Tob:icco Board to undertake limited market interven- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tion in the auction system through MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND mopping up of unsold offerings at the SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : ruction platforms at the minimum (a) A statement showing the produc- support pi ice. Under the circumstances, tion of tobacco Statewise during the it is not considered necessary to set up last five years is attached. a Trading Corporation for the present. Statement Production of tobacco in major producing states of India from 1979-80 to 1983-84 (ihousend tonnes)

S.N. States 1979-80 1980-81 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84

1. Andhra Pradesh 154.9 164.0 193.4 270.2 191.9

2. Bihar 11.7 9.7 13.3 12.9 13.4

1 3. Gujarat 174.9 185.2 209.5 197.1 186.9 4. Karnataka 26.6 33.9 29.0 38.4 28.8 5. Maharashtra 7.9 6.8 7.3 7.1 7.9 6. Orissa 8.6 11.3 7.8 7.2 10.2 7. Tamil Nadu 19.1 22.4 22.9 ■ 9.2 13.7 8. Uttar Pradesh 13.8 20.2 15.4 15.3 19.7 9. West Bengal 11.5 17.4 13.3 15.8 15.5 10, Others/Union Territories 9.5 9.9 9.2 8.4 9.1

All India 438.5 480.8 520.1 581.6 497.1 Written Answers MAkCH 29, mi Written Answers

Tnvitation for Engineering Fair to undertakings, lying vacant at preseitt; Italian Governmeut and 1468. SHRIS.M. OURADDI : Will the MiDister of COMMERCE AND (d) the time by which those posts are SUPPLY be pleased to state : likely to be filled ?

(a) whether the Chairman of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Trp.de Fair Authority of India has made MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI a statement that the Italian Government JANARDHAN POOJARY) : (a) has been invited to Engineering Fair and (b). Government is constantly (recently held) as a “Partner Country*’ reviewing various aspects of the management of public enterprises, including (b) if so, the reasons for assigning this change in personnel, with a view to spccial treatment to Italy; improve their performance. The Chief Executives of public enlerprisee are (c) whether thire is any agreement given an initial tenure of two years and with Italian Government in this regard; their performance is kept under close (d) if so, when this agreement was watch through periodical performance review meetings. The extesion of their arrived at; and tenure depends on satisfactory perfor- (e) the details of the agreement ? mance.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) and (d). According to available MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND information, there are 19 public enter- SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : prises which do not have full time Chief (a) No, Sir. The Engineering Ftur Executives at present. The Public Enter- was organised at Pargati Maidan, New prises Selection Board (PESB) have Delhi and the status of Patner Country already made recommendations to the gi/en to Italy by the Association of Government for filling 13 posts and the Indian Engineering Industry, a private selections for the remaining six vacancies organisation. are under their active consideration. Appointments to these vacancies are (b) The organisers of the fair have likely to be made shortly. • ♦ staled that the status of Partner Country was given to Italian prrticipation on the Export of iron ore to China basis of the size of participation. Through Paradip Port

(c) No, Sir. 1470. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: Will the Minister of COMMERCE (d) and (e). Do not arise. AND SUPPLY be pleased to state :

Filling up of Posts of Heads of (a) whether the export of iron ore to Public Undertakings China through Paradip Port came into force in 1983-84; and 1469. SHRI BALASAHEB VEKHE PATIL : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (b) if so, the total tonnage of iron ore proposed to be exported to vapous (a) whether Government propose to countries, country-wise for the year weed out inefficient/non-result-oriented 1984-85 ? heads of public sector undertakings; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether any exercise has been MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND taken in haud in this regard; SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) In November, 1983, a contract (c) the number of posts of Chairman— was signed by MMTC for shipment of Managing Directors of public sector 30,000 tonnes of iron ore to China from 93 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 94

Paradip as trial shipment. The shipment (a) to (d). Some seclions of the ag^iinst this contract was made in leather industry, pariicularly those December, 1°84 from Paradip Port. manufacturing leather goods have complained that some varieties of (b) Iron ore exports from Paradip finished leather being exported from Port during 1984-85 are expected at India are it\ reality crust leather which the level of 16.4 lakh tonnes, as against is further processed in the importing 9,28 lakh tonnes exported during the countries. Government is seized of the pfeceeding year. The country-wise m atter. exports likely to be made from this port during the current financial year 1984-85 Newsitem Captioned “Heroin are as; under : Worth Rs. 35 Lakhs Seized”

(Qty lakh tonnes) 1472. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK Japan 5.5 SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be South Korea 4.2 pleased to state : Romania 1.6 German Democratic (a) whether attention of Government Republic 3.1 has been drown to the newsitem Czechoslovakia 0.7 captioned ‘ Heroin worth Rs. 35 lakhs seized” appeared in the 'Hindustan Bulgaria 0.4 Times* on 3rd March 1985; Hungary 0.2 (b) if so, the details thereof ; and DPR Korea 0.2 Iraq 0.2 (c) whether any action has been taken China » 0.3 against the persons apprehended in this connection ? Total : 16.4 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Malpractice in Export of Semi JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) Finished Leather and (b). Yes, Sir. On 1-3-1985, the 1471. SHRI ZAINAL ABEDIN : Narcotics and Counterfeit Currency Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND Branch of the Central Bureau of SUPPLY be pleased to state : Investigation seized 5.322 kgs. of contraband heroin powder near Maurya (a) whether Government are aware Hotel, New Delhi from the possession that an organised malpractice of expor- of two persons. There being no authentic ting semi-finished leather in the garb of price for heroin and as the illicit market finished leather by comouflaging it with price of drugs is dependent on various a light coating, is in operation with a factors like punty, place of sale, etc., on view to avail 7.5 per cent compensatory precise value can be furnished. support for export of finished leather; (b) if so, whether Government are (c) Both the persons have been contemplating any action aj^ainst the arrested and a regular case has been unscrupulous exporters; registered against them under Section 120-B I.P.C. read wilh Section 14 of (c) if so, the details therefor; and the[Dangerous Drugs Act, 1930.

(d) if not, the reasons therefor ? Productioo and Distribution of Coal

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 1473. SHRI AMAR ROY PRADHAN : THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES AND SUPPLY(SHRX P. A. SANQMA) ; AND COAL be pleased to state : 95 Wrlltcn Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 9«

(a) (ho production and dUtribution of the Seventh Five Year Plan ? Coal in Stales rnd Union Terntories THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES during ihc last three years; and AND COAL(SHRI VASANT SATHE) ; (a) State-wise production and distribu^ioa (b) the steps Government propose to of raw coal during the years 1981-82 take for raising the coal production in to 1983-84 is given below ;

(Figures in million tonnes)

Production • 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84

State

West Bengal 19.91 19.04 19.30

Bihar 51.42 54.03 53.54

Orissa 3.32 3.46 4.17

Madhya Pradesh 27.83 30.74 36.35

Maharashtra1 6.89 7.80 8.82* Uttrar Pradesh 2.06 2.37 2.55 Assam 0.07 0.71 0.80 Andhra Pradesh 12.10 12.35 12.59

total : 124.23 130.50 138.22

(m million Tonnes)

Distribution

1981-82 1982-83 1983-S4

State Andhra Pradesh 7.18 7.59 8.93 1 Assam 0.45 0.37 0.28 West Bengal 14.88 15.16 • 14.95 Bibar 23.69 24.89 24.07 Gujarat 8.04 *• 8.96 9.74 Jammu and Kashmir 0.09 0.7 0.06 Maharashtra 9.57 9,82 11.09 Madhya Pradesh 13.09 14.55 15.79 Tamllnadu 3.51 < 3.93 4.27 Karnataka 1.10 1.03 1.74 Orissa 4.49 4.21 4.89 977 Written Answers CHAITRA 8. 1907 (SA/CA) Written Answers 98

1 2 3 4

Punjab 2.54 2.73 3.08 Haryana 1.44 1.77 2.13 U.P. 11.00 11.42 13.42 Rajasthan 1.28 1.47 2.41 Delhi 3.26 3.95 3.81

Himachal Pradesh 0.04 0.05 0.05 Kc.rala, Tripura and others 0.17 0.17 0.33

Total : 105.81 112.14 121.04

(b) The steps being taken to increase branches will be opened and the reasons coal production, include improving for the dslay in opening these branches ? infrastructural facilities, modernisation of existing mines, development of new mines, entering into foreign col lab rat ion THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE for introduction of new technology MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI wherever necessary, cxpcditious- JANARDHANA POOJARY) : implementation of projects, and impro- (a) Available data for the years 1983-84 ving productivity of men and machinery. and 1984-85 relating to the number of licences/authorisations issued to the Public Sector Banks for opening offices [Translation] in Uttar Pradesh and the number of Opening of Branches of Nationalised oilices opened by them in the State Banks in U.P. during the above period are set out in Statements I and II attached. 1474. SHRI HARISHRAWAT ; Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (b) As a large proportion of pending licences/authorisations were issued in (a) the number of licences given to 1984-85, the banks would require some various nationalised banks for opening time to complete the process of opening their branches in U.P. during the years offices at the alloted centres. In a few 1983-84 and 1984-85 and the number eases lack of infrastructural facilities or of branches opened by the banks non-availability of suitable accomodation indicating their names during these also pose difficulty in opening the offices. years; and The banks have, however, been advised to open the offices at allotted centres as (b) the time by which the remaining early as possible. Statement I Number of licences I Authorisations issued to the Public Sector Banks during the period April 1983 to 20 March, 1985 for opening offices in Uttar Pradesh.

Sr. Name of the Number of licences/Authorisations issued No. Bank From 1-4-83 From 1-4-85 to to 31-3-84 20-3-85

1. State Bank of India 9 81 2. State Bank of Patial 2 99 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 100

1 2 3 5

3. Allahabad Bank 11 40

4. Bank of Baroda 3 11

5. Bank of India 1 15

6. Canara Bank 3 43

7. Central Bank of India 6 3

8. Indian Bank — 2

9, Indian Overseas Bank 4

10. Punjab National Bank 3 51

11. Syndicate Bank I 18

12. Union Bank of India 1 54

13. United Commercial Bank 1 8

14. New Bank of India 5

15. Punjab and Sind Bank 7

16. Oriental Bank of Commerce 11

Total 39 357

Statement-II Number of offices opend by Public Sector Banks in Uttar Pradesh during the period 1-4-83 to 30-1-85.

Bank/Bank Group Number of Offices opened during

1-4-83 1-4-84 to to 31-3-84’^ 30-1-85

1 2 3 4 1. State Bank of India 43 7 II. Associates of S.B.I. 4 2 in . Nationalised Banks 1. Allahabad Bank 15 3

2. Andhra Bank —

3. Bank of Baroda 11 io i Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 (iS^K/4) Written Answers' 102

4. Bank of India 2

5. Bank of Maharashtra

6. Canara Bank 4 3

7. Central Bank of India 5 11

8. Corporation Bank 1

9. Dena Bank

10. Indian Bank 1

11. Indian Overseas Bank 1 1

12. New Bank of India 1 1

13. Oriental Bank of Commerce 5 1

14. Punjab and Sind Bank 4

15. Punjab National Bank 17 16

16. Syndicate Bank 9 2

17. Union Bank of India 4 16 18. United Bank of India 1

19. United Commercial Bank 2

20. Vijaya Bank

Total of III 83 58

*Includes number of offices opened against licences/authorisation issued to public sector Banks prior to 1-4-1983.

[English] (c) the time by which this amout t will be recovered ? . . Realisation of Rs. 40 crores from HINDa LCO THE MINISTER OF STEEL, 1475. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MINES AND COAL (SHRI VASANT MALIK : Will the Minister of STEEL, SATHE): (a) to (c) HINDALCO withheld MINES AND COAL be pleased to state : the payment of dues to the Aluminium Regulation Account— the gross amount (a) whether Rs- 40 crores which due aggregated to Rs. 35,67,27630, have been outstanding since long from for the period from 4-10-1979 to HINDALCO, Birla concern on 31 -8-1983 on the basis of interim orders of Aluminum Regulation Account have Supreme Court and Calcutta High Court. since been realised; While Court cases were pending, HINDALCO offered to settle the matter (b) if not, the reasons for the delay, out-of-court on the basis that it uncondi* and tionally accepts the gross liability as l03 W^ritten Answers kAROH 29, 1985 Written Answers io4 c:>nipuled by the Government for pay- has not yet bccoma effective. However, ment of dues. As HINDALCO acceptcd GOI has to pay to the Bank a commit- the condition, the matter was settled out ment chargj of 0.75% p.a. on the of court. After adjusting the amount of p inclpal amoufit of the loan not with- dues already paid by HINDALCJ dur- drawn from lime to lime starting from ing the court proceedings and thj 60 days after the date of the Loan amount of additional electricity cliarges Agreement. Thus, the commitment actually paid by HINDALCO to UPSEB ciiarges have started accruing from 25th for the period for which commitment July, 1984. These commitment charges had been given by the Gyvcrnmsnt, net on the total amount of loan works out dues of HINDALCO for the period to approx malely Rs. 70,000 per day 4-10-1979 to 31-8-1983 worked out to No demand notice for this payment has Rs. 22,74,98,502. HINDALCO was been received from the Bank but the allowed to pay the net dues in 48 iistLil- am mat acc:u:;d upto 25th February, ments. Accordingly, HINDALCO his 1985 h approximately 1.22 5 million. already paid Rs 6,63,54,176-, in addition It is exp:cted that agreement with to the payment of their current dues selected collaborator for the operation regularly. According to the schedule of information system, will be signed by payment of dues, the last instalment will 15th April, 1985. The loan is likely to be recovered by 31st December, 1987. be declared elfcclive by 30th April. 1985, when Railways can start utilising Payment of Coroniitmcnt Charges of it. Rs. 70,000 per day to World Bank for unutilised loan for Railways Implemenfation of Vizag steel Plant

1476 ; SHRI G.G. SWELL ; Will 1477. SHRI MOHAMMAD the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to MAHFOOZ A LI KHAN : Will the state. Minister of STEEL, MINES AND COAL be pleased to state : (a) whether Government are paying ‘commitment charges of Rs. 70,000 per day to the World Bank for a loan (a) whether it is a fact that because for the Railways which has not been of the coutinous delay and slippage in utilised; the implementation of the Vizag Steel Plant its estimated cost has risen to (b) since when we have been making soaring height; the payment; (b) if so, the details thereof stating (c) the amC'Unt paid to dale; and the faciors responsible for continuous delay and slippage in its implementation; (d) for how long more loan will and remain unutilised ? (c) the measures taken by Govern- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ment for its completion as envisaged ? MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d). An agreement for a loan DEPARTMENT OF STEEL (SHRI of 280.7 million was signed with the K. NATWAR SINGH) : (a) and (b). World Bank on 25-5-1984 for the Rail- Constiuction of the Visakha- way Electrification and Workshop patnam Steel Project commenced Modernisation Project, Selection and in February, 1982 and the project was appoitatmet of a collaborator to assist scheduled for completion in six years in the Railways in the implementing of the two overlapping stages. The first stage operation information systera’is a condition for production of 1.2 million tonnes for effectiveness of this loan. Since this liquid steel was scheduled for completion condition has not been fulfilled the loan in four years. 105 Written Answers CHAtTRA 8, 1907 {SAKA) Written Answers lb s

A review of progress of construction (c) The progress of cootructioa is of the project made in the raiddlG of monitored by the Project authorities as 1984 indicated that while ccrtain acti- WL'll as the Government and remedial vities were on schedule (drawings and measures taken to ensure commissioning placement of ord«3rs) there bad been of the project in time. Regular review some slippages in sora; items such as the meetings are also held with infrastructure erection of structures and equipment. agencies for expediting the progress, and Having regard to the finances available with equipment suppliers and consulants and the very large financial requirements for propor coordination of progeress of of the project, a thorough review of the engiaecrii’g and supply of equipment. schedule of the project was made in Reserved Qaota of Services in Banks order to synchronise the implementation for SC/ST Candidates of the different interdependent segments of the project fully consistent with the 147 8. PROF. MANORANJAN technological and operating paramenters HALDER : Will the Minister of matching the production planned in the FINANCE be pleased to state : project with the market, and ei.suring that expenditure is incurred in an (a) whether all tha scheduled banks optimal manner. On the basis of this are not maintaining the reserved quota review the stage I of the project is of services for Scheduled Castes/Schedukd expected to be completed by 1987-88. Tribes candidates; and

The original estimated cost for the (b) the bank-wise figures of the Visakhapatnam Steel Project was Scheduled Castcs/Schedukd Tribes Rs. 2256 crores (based on first quarter employees vis-a.vis other employees ? 1979 prices). The cost estimates of the project were revised and based on fourth THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE quarter 1981 prices, the revised estimate MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI was Rs. 3897.28 crorcs; this was approved JANARDHANA POOJARV) : (a) and by Government in 1982. The main (b). The guidelines regarding reasons for the increase in ihe estimated reservation for Scheduled Castes/ costs wers increase in prices as well as Scheduled Tribes are applicable to all adoption of late?t technologies and public sector banks including Regional changes in the scope of work. Rural Banks, and they are following the same. These guidelines are not applicable The revised estimate of capita! costs to other Scheduled Commercial Bi'nks. for the project taking into account the The bank-wise figures of the Scheduled revised schedule as well as the price Castes/Schtduled Tribes employees in the escalation sincc the fourth quarter of public sector banks are at given in the 1981, has yet to be finalised. Statement attached. id^ WiUten Answers MARCH 29, 1985 iVritten Answers i08

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~~[Translation] been increasingly facing the problem of transit traffic in drugs from some neigh- Smuggling of Heroin bouring countries.~~

1479. SHRIMATI PATEL RAMABEN (f) The field formations remain vigilant RAMJIBHAI MAVANt : Will the to chcck such smuggling. In addition Minister of FINANCE be pleased to to appropriate anti-smuggling measures state : taken in co-ordination with the Central and State Government authorities (a) whether attention of Government concerned, close co-operation with the has been drawn to the news item international agencies concerned is also captioned ‘^Panch Arab ki heroin ke bare main tained to curb smuggling of drugs. main talash karne ke liye swayam The matter is kept under constant review Interpol aa raha hai” (Members of for appropriate action. Interpol coming to investigate smuggling case of heroin worth 5 billion and [English] "Ahmedabad mein panch vyaktiyon ko hirasat mein liya gaya” (5 persons taken Global Enquiry Flo ated by Bokaro Steel Plant Purchase into custody in Ahmedabad) appeared Carbon Blocks published in ‘Jai Hind’, a Gujarati daily published from Ahmedabad on 2nd 1480. SHRI D P. JADEJA : Will the March, 1985; Minister of STEEL, MINES AND COAL be pleased to state : (b) if so, the details thereof; (a) whether blast furnaces in Bokaro (c) the pnticulars of persons Steel Plant need urgent repairs; apprehended and the place where arrested; (b) whether due to delay in the repairs of the blast furnaces, the Bokaro Steel Plant is suffering huge losses due (d) the detailsof a rtic'.es recovered to low production; from them;

(e) whether all these smuggling activi- (c) whether Bokaro Steel Plant floated ties are being carried on at international a global enquiry to purchase carbon Icivel through Pakistan-Rajasthan and blocks to repair these blast furnaces in other borders; and the month of September, 1984 with the target to complete the repairs by mid- (f) the steps taken or proposed to be February, 1985; taken for checking these activites ? (d) whether this global enquiry was THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cancelled and another limited enquiry MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI was floated on January 15, 1985 although JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to offer to earlier enquiry was received on (d). Reports received by the Govern- October 29, 1984; and ment indicate that 55 pounds of heroin were seized at Amsterdam in (e) if so, the reasons therefor ? Janu;iry 1985 from a consignment of optical whitening agent exported from Ahmedabad. No arrest has been made in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE India in this connection. No report has DEPARTMENT OF STEEL (SHRI been received by the Government to the K. NATWAR SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. effect that the Interpol officers are (b) No, Sir, arriiving in India to investigate in the matter. (c) A global tender enquiry was (e) India, has, for sonic time past. floated by Bokaro Steel Plant iq Septenj- 113 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAXA) Written Answers 114 ber, .1984 to purchase corbon blocks SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA : (a) required for capital repairs of the blast The main object and reason for furnace. In the tender enquiry, it was the formation of National Jute Manu- stipulated that the supply of materials is factures Corporation Ltd. Calcutta is required in Februry, 1985. It was not to manage the nationalised Jute mills in meant to repair the blast furnace in the the country. month of Februry, 1985. (b) The number of units presently (d) and (e). The due date for receipt functioning under National Jute Manu- of the tenders was 29-10-1984. On this factures Corporation Ltd. is six 5 in date only one offer had been received. West Bengal viz. National, Alexendra, Requests had been received by Bokaro Union, Khardaha and Kinnision and one from certain prob'able tendercs to extend in Bihar viz RBHM. the last date. Bokaro decided to exter.d the due date to 12-11-1984. On this date (c) There is no such proposal under also only One offer was received. A consideration of the Government at Committee of eight members considered present. this noly offer received and based on their recommendations, it was decided on (d) Does not arise. 31-12-1984 to issue a short-dated limited tender enquiry to five parties including Revision of Rate of D.A. of Public the one who had offered on 12-11-1984. Sector Undertakings Offers receive against the short-dated enquiry were opened on 15-1-198 5 and 1482. SHRI CHINTAMANI order placed on 15-2-1985. The tender PANIGRAHr : Will the Minister of accepted by Bokaro Steel Plant was FINANCE be pleased to st?te : 16AVo higher on FOB basis than the lowest tender received. The lower offer (if) whether Government have taken was passed over on consideration of any decision on the question of revision technical performance and delivery. of the rate of dearuess allowance of the employees of public sector undertakings; National Jute Manufactures and Corporatioa (b) if so, the details thereof ? 1481. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : Will the Minister of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE COMMERCE AND SUPPLY be pleased MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI to state : JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) No, Sir. (a) the object and reasons for the formation of National Jute Manufac" (b) Does not arise. tures Corporation (NJME); Agreement Signed by FICCI and the (b) the number of units presently Cfaina Counci) for Promotion of International Trade functioning and particulars thereof; 1483. RAM SWARUP RAM : Will (c) wherther some more units are the Minister of COMMERCE AND likely to be taken under National Jute SUPPLY be pleased to state : Manufactures Corporation phase or within the Seventh Five Year Plan (a) whether according to the agree- period ; and ment recently signed by FICCI and the China Conncil for Promotion of Inter- (d) if so, the details thereof ? national Trade (CCPIT) India will benefit in terms of foreign trade; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND (b) the projectjl' kely to bo taken up 115 Written Answers MARCH 2'9, 1985 Written Answers 116 for implementation under the agrroe- It has b«en the policy of the Govern- ment; and ment and the Reserve Bank of India to ensure an orderly growth of banking (c) the amDunt involved in the joint system on sound lines so that all genuine trade plan ? credit needs of various sectors of economy are adequately met by the THE MTNISTER OF STATE IN THE banking system. MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SKRI P. A. SANGMA) ; (a) (c) All Scheduled Commercial Banks The Agreement signed by FICCl including Regional Rural B.;nks and and the China Council for Promotion of Cooperative B:inks extend financial International Trade on 2nd March, 1985, assistance to eligible borowers engaged in will help the business commanilies of agriculture and allied activities. National India and China to have better aware" Bank for At?riculture and Rural Develop- ness about the opportunities for interac- ment is providing refinance facilities to tion in the Commercial and economic these banks. field. (a) No such proposal in urtder consideration of the Government at present. (b) and (c). The Agreement does not detail any specific ‘'Projects” or [Translation] “Joint Trade Plan” for implementation Autonomous Body for Kandia Free Formulation of National Banking Trade Zone Policy 1485. SHRINARSINH MAKWANA: 1484. SHRI I. RAMA RAI : Will Will ihe Minister of COMMERCE AND the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to SUPPLY be pleased be state : state : (a) the suggestions made by the Gujrat Government regarding the constitution (a) whether Government have formu- of an autonomous body for the Kandia lated a National Banking Policy; Free Trade Zone;

(b) if so, the detalails thereof; (b) the difficulties being faced by the Union Government in accepting them; (c) the names of the financial institutions including banks which arc extending (c) the details of administrative set-up financial help to agricultural sector; of the Kandia Free Trade Zone and and whether Government propose to make changes in it; and (d) whether there is any proposal to bring all the non-nationalised banks ?nd (d) the number of goods being private financial institutions under the produced and feasibility of setting up control of Government ? more industries in this zone ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) and (b). Government nationalised and (b). In connection with r a p i d certain Indian banking companies in 1969 development of Kandia Free Trade Zone, and 1980 having regard to their size, Government of Gujarat suggested that a resources, coverage and organisation in hij^h-pawered statutory body should be order to meet progressively and serve appointed to facilitate decisions beinlg better, the needs of develop- taken on the spot. Action has been ment of the economy, and to promote initiated to formulate the provisions for the welfare of the people, in conformity a Central Authority to control and with national policies and objectives, govern not only the Kaadla Free Trade il7 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 Written Answers 118

Zone but all the Export Processing Zones (a) the number of meetings of tho in the country. Mistry’s Hindi Advisory Committee held during 1984; (c) The administrative set up for the Kandia Free Trade Zone includes a (b) the resolutions passed in these complement of 134 personnel for meetings; and developmental, accounts, customs apprai- sal and security under the administrative (c) the details in regard to implemen- contral of the Development Commis- tation of these resolutions ? sioner. No material change in this set up is contemplated at this stage. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) About 35 different types of items MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND are produced by about 106 uiits in the SUPPRY. (SHRI P.A. SANGMA) ; (a) Zone. There is possibility of setting up One combined meeting of the other units in the Zone. Hindi Salahakar Samitis of the then Ministry of Commerce and the Depart- Meetings of Hindi Advisory Committee ment of Supply was held during 1984. on Ministry of Commerce and Supply (b) and (c). A statement showing the 1486. SHRI KRIS HAN PRATAP recommendations/Suggaetions of the SINGH : Will the Minister of Committee made in the above mentioned COMMERCE AND SUPPLY be pleased meeting and details in regard to their to state : implimentation is attached.

Statement ^ Statement showing the recommendationsjsuggestions of Hindi Salahaker Samitis of Ministry of Commerce and Supply made in the meeting held in 1984 and the details in regard to their implementanion.

~~S. Recommendatjons/suggestinos Details of implementation No. made.~~

1 MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND TEXTILES) 1. Regarding sub-commitrccs of the Hindi As per instrnuctios from the Department Salahakar Samiti, the Chairman of Official Language to the efTcct that informed tho committee that with the the Central Hindi committee had taken reconstitution of the Hindi Salahakar a decision that sub-committees or inspec- Samiti, its sub-committees have since tion committees of Hindi Salahakar been reconstituted in the meantime Samitis in Ministries/Departments should and said that the matter would be not be constituted, it was decided not to expedited and it would be ensured that pursue the matter further regarding the programmes of visits of various orgf.nising visits of the sub-committees. organisations by the sub-committees of the reconstituted Hindi Salahakar Samiti are worked out and implemented regularly. ii9 Written Answers MARCH 29, 198 5 Written Answers 120

~~2. It was pointed out that complete This was noted for future ^compliance. figures regarding progressive use of Hindi in Official work in the Ministry should have been placed before the committee.~~

3. It was said that the progress in the Nccessary instructions have been issued use of Hindi for originating correspon- in this regard. This point was again dence was not satisfactory and that stressed in the meeting of the O.L.I.C. some serious efforts should be made in which all the Section heads were als:i in this regard so that the targets of invited. the annual progrpmme could be achieved. The Chairman observed that steps would be taken in this regard and it would be ensured that the targets of annual programme are fulfilled.

~~4, It was suggested that simple Hindi It was noted for comli:mce. should be used in day to day official work.~~

~~5. Meetings of the Hindi Salahakar Noted for compliance. Samiti should be held regularly.~~

6, Regarding the number of English Noted for compliance. typewriters vis-a-vis the number of Hindi typewriters, it was ir.formtd to the Committee that Hindi typewriters in the Ministry were more than the requirement as it was related to the work load of Hindi typing work and committee was assured that with the increase in Hindi typing work more Hindi typewriters would be acquired.

7. It was stressed that the Ministry Eiforts are being made to ensure this should ensure compliance of the through application of certain check provisions of O.L. Act and O.L. points. Rules and all the Senior Officers ihould acquaint themselves with the provisions of O.L. Act and O.L. 121 Written Answers CHAltRA 8, 1907 (.SAKA) l^ritten Answers il2

~~Rules so that they may take suitable steps for implementing the same.~~

8. It was pointed out that the journal of Necess3ry action is being (aken in this MMTC named as ‘MMTC News’ regard by MMTC. contained only 5 pages in Hindi where- as the number of English pages was 19 and it was ^suggested that it should be bilingual alongwith bilingual name on the cover page.

~~Department of supply~~

9. The contract documents in respect The decision of issuing bilingual of five sections ofD te. General of contrdcts have been implemented in 2 Supplies and Disposals were being more sections of Directorate General of . issued in Hindi and EnglisK. It was Supplies & Disposals. suggested that this work may be extended to other sections of Dte. General of Supplies and Disposals also.

10. An inspection team on the lines of The inspection team comprising of Joint the Ministry *of Commerce may be Secretary, one M.P. and one non-official corstituted. member of Hindi Advisory Committee visited Kanpur, regional office of D.G.S. & D. The work being done in these offices was appreciated by the team.

11. Various provisions of O.L. Aci and A shield schcme for the attached and O.L Rules may be fully implemen- subordinate offices of Dte. General of ted in the Department. Supplies and Disposals hud been implemented, as also a cash award scheme to individuals for giving encouragement in the use of Hindi in official work. Cheques issued by the Chief Controller of Accounts are written in Hindi. Hindi Workshops have been organised both in Directorate General of Supplies and Disposals and in the Department and all the offices have been instructed to fully [implement the provisions of the O.L. Act and O.L. Rules. 1 2 3 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1 985 Written Answers 124

~~[English] wise; and~~

Per Capita Development and Non (b) the performance of West Bengal Development Expenditure of States as compared to the All India average ? 1487. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN : THE MINISTER OF STATE Will the Minister of FINANCE be IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE pleased to state: (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) and (b). A statera'snt-I showing (a) the p::r capita development and the Statewise per capita Plan and non- non-development expenditure of different PJan expenditure during Sixth Five Year States and their achievements in the Plan 1980-85 and Statement II showing raittcr of mobilising resources from the Statewise budgetary resources and their own sources for finalising the contribution of Public enterprises during Annual Plan outlays during the Sixth the Sixth Five Year Plan (1980-85) are Five Year Plan period 1980-85, State- attached.

~~Statement-I~~

~~Statewi'^e per capita plan and non plan expenditure during Sixth Five Year P/fl/7 (1980-85)~~

~~S. States Per Capita Per Capita No. Plan expdr. Non-Plan expdr.~~

~~1. Andhra Pradesh 733.28 2083.95~~

~~2. Assam 872.10 3054.95 3. Bihar 527.51 1745.70~~

~~4. Gujarat 1461.07 2289.18~~

~~5. Haryana 1590.00 4240.78~~

~~6. Himachal Pradesh 1893.24 4695.46~~

~~7. Jammu & Kashmir 1988.85 3731.34~~

~~8. Karnatakfi 881.91 3196.39~~

~~9. Kerala 782.24 2474.91 10. Madhya Pradesh 937.15 2030.54 11. Maharashtra 1285.66 3132.44~~

~~12. Manipur 2300.56 6883.13~~

~~13. Meghalaya 2584.19 4336.86 14. Nagaland 4406.20 15221.12~~

~~15. Orissa 709.69 2384.68 16. Punjab 1456.22 5889.89 17. Rajasthan 724.97 2993.44 125 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 iSAKA) Written Anrwers 126~~

~~1 .2 3 4~~

~~18. Sikkim 6292.86 6468.10~~

~~19. Tamil Nadu 879.58 5292.55 20. Tripura 1753.86 3630.66 21. Uttar Pradesh 683.94 1576.27~~

~~22. West Bengal 513.81 2737.45~~

~~TOTAL ALL STATES 879.60 2494.53~~

~~Note; : 1. This includes actuals for 1980*81 to 1982-8 3 pre-actuals for 1983*84 and L.E. for 1984-85. 2. For calculating per capita expenditure, 1971 census figures has been used.~~

~~Statcment-ll Statewise Budgetary Resources and Contributions of Public Enterprises during Sixth Five Year Plan (1980-85)~~

~~(Rs. crorcs)~~

~~States States’ Budgetary Rescurc'.;s S. and Contribution of Public No. Enterprises.~~

~~1 2 3~~

~~1. Andhra Pradesh 1139.42 2. Assam — 460.97~~

~~3. Bihar 145.92~~

~~4. Gujarat 2636.55~~

~~5. Haryana 918.34~~

~~6. Himachal Pradesh 36.93 7. Jammu and Kashmir — 330.05~~

~~8. Karnataka 1444.72~~

~~9. Kerala 386.09~~

~~10. Madhya Prad ;sh 1997.09~~

~~11. Maharashtra 4526.48 12. Manipur — 139.99~~

~~J3. Meghalaya — 84.79 127 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 128~~

~~1 2 3 '~~

~~14. Nagaland "—145.99~~

~~15. Orissa 307.30 ■ ,~~

~~16. Punjab 691.94~~

~~17. Raj LIS than 180.27~~

~~18. Sikkim — 28.54~~

~~19. Tamil Nadu 2199.12~~

~~20. Tripura — 89.53~~

~~21. UttJ’r Pradv-sh 2238.73~~

~~7%. West Bengal 243.94~~

~~Total All States 17965.98 ( + 19245.84^ [ — 1279.86/~~

~~Note : This includes actuals for 1980-81 to 1982-83 pre-actuals for 1983-84 and L.E. for 1984-85.~~

Setting up of a New Steel Plant in COAL be pleased to state : Dadra and Nagar Haveli (a) whether about two years ago it 1488. SHRI SIT ARAM J. GAVALI ; was decidod by ths management that all Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES beehive coke ovens in Bharat Coking AND COAL be pleased to state : Coal Ltd. and Eastern Coalfields Ltd. should be closed down; (a) whether any new steel plant is being set up in Dadra and Nagar (b) if so, the detailed reasons there- Haveli; for;

(b) if so, the location and purpose (c) whether the closure of beehive thereof; and coke ovens had resulted in sudden short- fall of hard coke; (c) whether setting up of a new plant will contribute to the growth of ancillary (d) whether private coke ovens small uatts ? owners were benefited by decision mentioned in part (a) above who hiked THE MINISTER OF STATE IN their price by about Rs. 300 per tonne THE DEPARTMENT OF STEEL and their production increased from (SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH) : (a) No, 40,000 tonne to about two lakh tonne Sir ■ during a month; (b) and (c). Do not arise. (e) if so, the details of(c) and (d) Closure of Beehive Coke Ovens in above; and . . B>C>C«Li and E),CiLi (f) the action Governnlent propose 1489. SHRI Y.P. YOGESH : Will to take against officials respon- the MiQister of STEEL, MINES AND Bible for fall in per capita incomc of 12^ Written j4nswers CHAITRA S, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 130

these companies and to benefit the 1491. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD private coke even owners ? SINGH : Will ths Minister of FIN.\NCE be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINIS AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : (a) the total amouit sanctioned so (a) to (f). The information is being far by Gramodaya Kendra of Jale branch collected and will be laid on the Table of Indian Bank in parbhanga District for of the House. installing tube wells for irrigation purpose, Panchayat-wise details thereof; Expansion of Branches of Commercial Banks during Seventh Plan (b) wheher rebate/subsidy is also 1490. SHRI RADHAKANTA given to small, medium and marginal DIGAL : Will the Minister of FINANCE farmers, in the amount sanc.ioned, be pleased to state : (c) if so, the details thereof; (a) whether Government have a proposal to expand the branches of (d) the numbar of persons given different commercial banks during the rebate/subsidy so far in the amount Seventh Five Year Plan period; sanctioned to the farmers by the said bank; and (b) if so, the number of branches of various commercial banks propossd to (e) the number of persons yet to bo given this rebate/subsidy- ? * be opened in Orissa; I

(c) whether Government propose to . THE MINISTER OF STATE IN give priority to open bank branches'in THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE backward areas; and (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY): . (a) to (e). Banks* data reporting (d) if so, the number of new branches system does -not yield purpose-wise,i of various commcrcial banks proposed branch-wise and panchayat-wise "infor- to be opened in Phulabani, a backward mation ia the manner desired. As district in Orissa during the above Plane regards subsidy presumably the Hoft’ble period ? Member is seeking information regarding' subsidy under the Integrated Rural THE MNISTER OF STATE IN Development programme. Under. this. . THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Programrnc the capital cost of the assets JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to (d). is subsidised to eligible bsneficiaries tp The branch licensing policy covering ‘ the exten of 25% for small farmers and the seventh plan period has not yet 332% for marginal farmers. Tribal been finalised. Pending finalisation of farmc s arc entitled to a subsidy of 50%. the above policy, it would not be •The maximum subsidy that can bs given possible to indicate the number of bank to an individual non-tribal isils. 4000/ branches that would be allowed to be inDPAP aieas and Rs. 3,000 in non-DPAP opsned in various parts of the country areas For tribal farmers the culing is including Onssa/Phulbani District. Rs. 5,000. However, according to available information, the banks are currently holding [English] , licences/authorisations for opening 157 offices in Orissa (including 8 for opening Income Tux Officers under Suspension offices in Phulbani District.) Banks 1492. - SHRI KESHAORAO have been advissed to open offic s ai PARDi-H : Will the Minister of these centres as sarly as possible. FINANCE be pleased to state ;

[Translation] (a) the number of Officers of the Income Tax Department who have baen Amount sanctioned by Jale Branch of . Indian Bank for Installing tube wells ttuder suspension for (i) over ihereo Written Answers U 1 Written Answers MARCH 29,1985 132 months (li) over ^ months and (iii) over to state : oae year withoat any charge sheet be^ng served oa them during the last two (a) whether there is a decline in the export of tea, coffee and cashewnuts; years; I 4- (b) if 80, the reasons therefor; (b) the justification for not serving the charge sheets for such a long period in contravention of Governtnent orders (c) whether the State Trading in this behalf; Corparation has been exploring fresh markets for the export of coffee, tea and cashewnuts, etc; (c) the number of such cases reviewed within and after three months separately; and (d) if so, the extent of success achieved so far in this regard; and (d) the reasons for not reviewing the other cases and also the details of such (e) the value of tea, coffee and cashewnuts exported during the years cases T 1982-83, 1983-84, and 1884-85 and likely to be sxported during the year THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 1985-86 ? . THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (a) The number of Group-A and THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE Group“B Officers are as under : AND SUPPLY (SHRI P.A SANGMA) : (a) and (b). There has been no decline (i) Over three months Nil in export earnings from tea, and cashew- (H) Over »ix months Tliree nuts during 1984-85 as compared to (HI) Over one year One 1982-83 and 1983-84; However, coffee exports showed a decline on account of (b) Chaf|te-sheetf have tot been poor crops earned by drought condition served in thre« cates »)Qoe reports/ in previous yeaas. doouments from the C.B.I. are ewatted aod fai the fourtk casc» the explanation (c) and (d). Yes, Sir. Stale Trading of the officer is stltl awaited. Corporation has succeedcd in securing value added tea packets order for lOOO (c) All such casei are kept under M.T. from Libya Cashewnuts exports constant watch. are expected to be marginally up hom Re. 4.29 crores to about Rs. 4.50 crores. (d) Does not arise. For tea. West Asia and North African Markets, for coffee West A

~~1493. SHRI AMARSINH Ce> Details of value realised on export RATHAWA : Will the Minister of of tea, coffee and cashewnuts are furni- COMMERCE AND SUPPLY be pleased shed as under :~~

~~Commodity Year Value (in Rs, crores) 1~~

~~Tea 1982-83 366-89 1983-84 530 04 1984-85 (>a9. 43 (up to Jan. 1M5) liJ A«sm>r, CHATTRA g. 1901 (SAJtA) H^rttten Answer, 134~~

~~1 2 3~~

~~19 85-8(1 220 million kgs^ (Target) Value will depend~~

~~oa trend of inter* Rational market~~

~~price.~~

~~Coffee 1982-83 20 3. 54~~

~~1983-84 175. 05~~

~~19 84-85 185. 51~~

~~(up to Feb. 1985)~~

~~1985-86 195.000 (target) (tentative)~~

~~Cashewnuts 1982-83 132. 28 1983-84 148.27 (Aprill-Dec. 198 3) (121.34)~~

~~1984-85 147.27 (April-Dee. 19 84)~~

~~1985- 8(S Target not yet fixed~~

Export of Cotton taken to boost the export of cotton during 1 985-86 ? 1494l SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA : Will the Minister of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB COMMERCE AND SUPPLY be pleased MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND to state: SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) The quantity and value of cotton (a) the quantity and value of the exporred from India during the cotton cotton exported from India during the year (September—August) 1982-83, years 1982-83; 1983-84 and 1984-85 1983-84 and 1984-85 are asunder: tin date; (b) the names of countries which are Year Value importing cotton from India; Qty. (Lakh bales) Rs. in Crores) (c) the names of the States where from the export was mide and the 198 2^83 6 97 155.16 quantity exported from each such State 1983-84 3.54 98.36 during the above period; and 1984-85 0.55 21.86 (d) the agency through which the (As on 25-3-85) export was made and the steps beiog l35 fVrhten Answers Ma r c h i985 Written Answers 136

(b) The foUowiog countries have bsen entrepreneur is eligible; imporliag cotton from India duringl982“83 1983-84 & 1984-8 5: Algeria. Austri.i, (b) how this facility can be availed Bangla Dash, Belgium; Bulgaria, China of ancf particularly in Adivasi area, which (Taiwan), China (Main Dmd), Chechoslo- is the mojt backward area of the country; vakia, France, Germany (West), Grecce, and Hongkong, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Korea (North), Korea (South), Malaysia, (c) the number of Scheduled Caste' Mozambique, • Morocco, Nep:ii, Scheduled Tribe entrepreneurs granted Philipines, Poland, Portugal Romania, loan during the years 1982-83, 1983-84 Singapore, Spain, Sri Lanka, Switzerland and 1984-8 5 till date by the various Tanzania, Tunisia, Thailand, U.K., USA public financial institutions and their and USSJR. number; State-wise ?

(c) and (d) . The cotton is at pi escnt being exported through the Cotton THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Corporation of India Limited, the THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE Maharashtra State Corporation Cotton (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : Growers Marketing Federation Limited, (a) and (b). Th*ire is no restriction on Bombay, the Gujrat State ooperative the amouat of a bank loan to SC/ST Cotton Federation Limited, Ahmedabad bjrowers. The quantum of lojn depends and the Andlira Pradesh State Coopera- upon the proposed economic activity aud tive Mak>titig Federation Limited, banks consider the proposal on merits. Hyderab,d. As the CCI operates in all The banks have been advised to increase the cotton growing Stivtcs except the flow of credit assistance for the Maharashtra, it exports C3tton purchased productive ventures of people belonging from various cotton growing States, to SC/ST. Banks formulate and imple- During the current cotton Season i.e„ ment various schenes from time to time 1 Septembr, 198 I to 31st August, 1985, as part of their priority sector lending Government have so far decided to aclivities to increas ; the flow of credit to export 2 lakh bales of long and extra- borrowers belonging to these long staple cotton. communties. Banks are also providing loan ur.der specific programmes having a Eligibility SC/ST Entrepreneurs for support of subsidy for members belonging Bank Loan to these communities.

1495. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA ; (c) State-wise details are available Will the Ministw of FINANCE be only upto December 1983. Advances plensed to state - to SC/ST borrowers by public sector banks as on December 1982 and (a) to what amount of a bank loan December 1983 are set out in the a Scheduled Caste or Scheduled Trible Statement attached. .

~~Statement Public Sector Banks Advances to Scheduled CasiesjScheduled Tribes (Amount Rs. crores)~~

~~Name of State/ Union December 1982 December 1983* Territory/Region No. of Amount No. of Amount Accts. Accts.~~

~~1 3 ^ 6 I. Northern Region: 4S164 112.25 544^6 135.29 1. Haryana 90253 18.bS 106706 22.90 2. Himachal Pradesh 56189 9.42 67737 11.21 137 WHtten Answers CHAtTRA 8, 1907 WHtten Answers 15~~

~~1 2 3 4 5 6~~

~~3. Jammu and Kashmir 5773 1.15 5970 1.37~~

~~4* Punjab 158554 38.12 166936 44.17~~

~~5. Rajasthan 148726 38.15 170494 48.11~~

~~6. Chandigarh 4945 3.10 5784 1.49~~

~~7. Delhi 17325 3.63 21359 6.04~~

~~11 North Esstern Region : 116614 21.86 134901 32.19 1 1~~

1. Assam 66857 6.32 80139 6.82 2. Manipur 9954 1.32 8727 1.43 3. Meghalaya 11515 4.49 1&483 6.22 4. Nagaland 4118 2.99 - 5573 5.35 5. Tripura 20437 2.92 17991 4.62 6. Arunachal Pradesh 1637 l.oO 1810 2.(55 7. Mizoram 1200 1.79 1800 4.29 8. Sikkim 896 0.41 2468 0.81

~~III. Eastern Region 6S5'519 81.45 747469 105.77~~

~~1. Bihar 202338 24.79 244199 36.00 2. Orissa 219251 26.14 232774 36.85 3. Wsst Bengal 233861 30.26 270404 32.96 4. Andaman aod Nicobar 69 0.26 92 30.06 Islands~~

~~IV. Central Region 561265 143.97 726912 166.68~~

~~1. Madhya Pradesh 194176 52.97 241246 49.18 2. Uttar Pradesh 267089 90,99 495666 117*50~~

~~V. Western Region 501445 91.39 507812 108.95~~

~~1. Gujarat 294028 43.15 309J54 47.36~~

~~2. Maharashtra 204713 47.81 255253 60.61 3. Oca, Daman & Diu 2370 0.37 2840 • 0.87~~

~~4. Dadra and Nagar Havelli 334 0.04 565 0.11 139 Written Answtn MARCH 2^ 1985 WritUn Answers 140~~

~~1 2 3 4 5 6~~

~~VI Sourthem Region * 937558 157.92 11624:6 205.78~~

~~1. Aodhra Pradesh 372096 75.75 453236 88.53~~

~~2. Karnataka 195116 32.04 238643 ■ ■ ' 46.08~~

~~3. Kerala 125680 14.2 3 139371 16.92~~

~~4. Tamil Nadu 23 76 3 7 3 7.03 324612 53.38~~

~~5. Pondicherry 5131 0.69 5928 0.70~~

~~6. Lakshadweep 598 0.12 654 0.17~~

~~Total 3254165 610 f6 38S46I6 754.66~~

1. Data are provisional. 2. Data for New Bank of India nnd Central Bank of India relate to June 1983. Distribution of yarn from mill sector to handloom sector (b) and (c). Government have on information about the diversion of yarn earmarked for the handloom 1496. SHRI LAKSHMAN sector to the powerloom sector. MALLICK ; Will the Minister of However, the State Governments have COMMERCE AND SUPPLY be pleased been advised to pool the hand yarn to state : produced by the cooperative spirjiiag mills. Slate textile Corporations and (a) whether th3 Government are National Textile Coiporation mills for aware that there is no proper and stable distribution to the handloom cooperatives distribution of yarn from the mill sector and State Corporations. Besides some of to the handloom sector; the State Governments have also setup there own yarn depots for this purpose (b) whether Government are also The National Handloom Development aware that yarn intended for handloom Corporation his already opened yarn sector is diverted to powerloom sector: depots in some areas and has plans to and open yarn depots in other parts of the country afier making tci-up arrange- (o) if so, the steps Government ments with the state level agencies. propose to take for the equaitable distribution of yani for the powerloom Production and Coasumptioii of Steel sector and the handloom sector ? 1497. ■ SHRI LAKiHMAN MALLICK : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND AND COAL be pleased to state : SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) ; (a) Gove-rnmsnt have not imposed (a) whether per capita consumption any distribution control regardihg yarn. of steel in Iidia is the lowest despite However, with a view to ensure regular the fact that India has cheep labour and and adequate quantities of yarn to the reserves of high quality raw materials hardloom scctor, an obligition has been required for the production of steel; imposed on the mill scctor to pack 50% of the total deliveries of yarn for oivil (b) if so, the extent to which the consumption in bank from for consump- production of steel ts low and since tion in the handlooni sector. when; 141 Written Answers CHAITRA 8^ 1907 Written Answers 142

(c) whether Oovernm^nt have sought As a long-term measure oulput of the views of experts to come out with steel in the cju-itry will als3 be incresed short-term and lons-terra measures for by technologTcal upgradation of existing improvirg steel production; and plaits and setting up of new steel plants. (d) the steps proposed to be taken to improve output, quality and capacity For improving the capacity utilisation ufHiiution And to remove some of the of mini steel plants, facilities like bottlenecks without taxing the country’s exprmsion of existing units, free divcrsi* resources ? fiOuition, forward integration, installation of continuous casting machines etc. have THE MINISTER OF STATE been extended. IN THE DEPARTMENT OF STEEL. (SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH) ; Sale of Confiscated Goods tbrough (a) and (b). N j sir, Steel produ’ition Co-operative Stores is planned to mxtch domestic requive- mentsj though imports of certain itema 1498. SHRI C. D. GAMIT : Will the of steel is inescapable. Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (c) Ves, Sir. A Steel Advisory Council has boen set under the (a) whether Government have Chairminship of Mi ^ster (Steel* Mines allowed to sell confiscatsd goods through and Coal) and consists of representatives various Cj-operative Stores in the of the Government, steel industry, experts country as well as through Supdr consumers and labour leaders. The Bazare; Council has been set up to advise the Central Government on long-term and (b) if so, the names of such Co- short-term plans for efficient functioning operative Stores as well as Super Baiius of t h e integrated steel plants, mini steel in Delhi where such goods are sold; plants and re-rolling industry. * (de6 (3) Market Development; of disposal of seized/confiscated (4) Labour and Personnel; consumer good is by sale to the National Cor*operativrf Coflsumers Federation of (5) Project MAfiaSemeilt; India Ltd., («vKich, in tutDi disposes thom through different outlets which (d) Pfoductiofr deptsnds era v^arious indUde Supper Bazars), Stats Co-operative factors like the health of the plants, Fefdsratiorfs afid Co-opetativ* Soi^6 adcqaite availability of the righi qnality approved by the CenttrftI And S(at« of inpnts and the mafkat neciAi. Efforts Government ard duly registered under are made to attain high capacity the Co-operative Societies Act, utilfsation by proper maintejsrnce and inputs of the desired quality. (b) Sales seized/confiscated goods have 143 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 144

been made to the following agencies banks in some important cities in India; located in Delhi from the Delhi Custom and Houie:- (b) if so, the names of those coun- (i) M/s. Na'ional Co-operative tries and the action taken by Govern- Consumer Federation Ltd., Nehru ment thereon? Place, New Delhi. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (ii) M/s. New Super Consumer Co- JANARDHANA POOJARY): (a) Yes, operative Stores Ltd., 25/134, Sir. Shakti Nagar, New Delhi. (b) According t( the Reserve Bank of (ill) M/s. Jai Laxmi Consumer Co- India requests of banks from Bahrain operative Stores Ltd., K-6 Malviya and Sultanate of Oman have been Nagar, New Delhi. received. Reserve Bank has granted a licence to the Bank of (iv) M/s. West Bengal Consumer Bahrain and Kuwait (BSC) to open a Co-operative Stores Ltd., 52, Netaji branch in Bombay. ^ Nagar, New Delhi. Import of less Iron Ore by Japan

Such sales are also made to other 1500. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA : authorised agenclc? located inside/ Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND outside Delhi from various Custom SUPPLY be pleased to state : Houses/Collectorates from time to time. (a) whether Japan is importing less (c) and (d). As per the terms and iron-ore for the past two years from conditions of sale of confiscated consumer India; goods, the Notioral Co-operative Consu- mers Federation, Co-operative Societies, (b) if 80, the reasons thereof; and etc. are required to life the goods in lotes offered by the Customs Department (c) st.ps Government propose to take without any “pick-and'chose”, except to find alternate market for iron-ore ? that if ar.y of the items in the lot are found to be dimised, thoy need not be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lifted. m i n i s t r y o f c o m m e r c e a n d SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANOMA) : (a) Further, a discount of 14|% is allowed Yes, Sir. on the fair prices fixed by flie pricing committee to NCCF and 10% to other (b) Exports of iron ore to Japan in authorised lifting agencies to cover their 1982-83 and 1983-84 were affected by overhead expenses. Government has no the following factores : information whether these agencies are suffering any loss on account of unsalo'^- (i) Recessionary conditions in the ble goods, if any. world steel industry including Japan. Opening of Branches of Banks by Amb Countries in India (ii) Dislocation of rail movement in Baila-dilla-Vizag sector during 1499. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA : October, 1983, and Will the Minister of FINANCE be * pleased to state : (iii) Strike in all major ports from 16th March, upto 16th April, 1984. (a) whether some Arab countries have proposed to open branQhcs of t^eir (c) Minerals and Metals Tradirg I4< Written AtUMh CHATTRA 8, 1907 W m h Alishers i4S

Corporation of Iiidia Ltd., has been of Bihar, which has started ebal minifife making efforts to diversify exports of at four collieries in Bihar in collaboration iroa ore to new markets aod in the last with some Private parties; ^iid 3-4 y e a r s ,’ Indian . iron or© has been introduced in the m arkets o f (c) if so, the tiniie by which State M alaysia, Saudi Arabia, DPR Korea, Qovernment run Tea Dsvelopraerft Pakistan, Turkey and China. . Corporation will be allowed to raise coal from two mines of north Bengal, whiph Loss Suffefd by LIC as a Result of will be ihuch helpful to the tea indt^try Leasing out Its Land and Building In Bombay there ?

,1501. SHRI PIYUS't IRAKY : Will THE MINiSTER OF STEEL, MIN'ES the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to AND COAL : (SHRI VACANT s Xt HE): state : ' (a) and (c). No, Sir. However, approval of the Central Government has been convoyed to the request of tho (a) V^lefher the Life Insurance Government of West Bengal for grant of Co.T>oa

(d) ■ whether Government have accep- (e) the details of the projects that ted these projects ? will be assisted by them ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STEFL, MIMES JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) Yes, AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : Sir. (a) An Australian Mining Equipment and Services Mission visited India in (b) to (d). No concrete formula has yet February 1985. They visited some coal boon evolved and world Bank in collabora- mines and had discussions with officials tion with IFC proposes to undertake an of coal India Ltd. and its subsidiary analysis of capital and credit markets companies and also of the Deportment in India with the aim to providing of Coal. background material for work on Venture Capital, on financial inter- The purpose of the Mission was to mediation and on capital markets during assess the prospects for cooperation ^ a period of liberalisation. International between Australia and India. Finance Corporation has with tho concurrence of GOI approved invest- (b) to (e). The Government of ment of $31.96 million in following 2 Australia have not sent any proposal private sector projects in 1984-85. to assist India in development of coal mines. US $ million equivalent Oraoges Produced In West Bengal 1. Bajaj Auto Ltd. 22 (Aulo"scooters 2 wheelers 150 5. SHRI AJIT KUMAR SAHA: and 3 wheelers project) Will the Minister of COMMERCE 2. Gwalior Rayon Silk Mfg. 9.96 AND SUPPLY bo pleased to state :

(b) if so, the details thereof; (b) if so when and the names of places where such bank branches are (c) whether Government are likely to be opened indicating the names exporting oranges from West Bengal; of the banks; and (d) if so, the countries to which and the total quantity exported; and (c) if not, the reasons thereof ? (e) the earnings of State and Union THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Government therefrom ? MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND (c). It is for the individual banks to SUPPLY (SHRI P.A. SANOMA) : (a) decide the working days of their and (b). Yes, Sir. The Jalpaiguri and branches taking into account the specific Siliguri districts of West Bengal are the banking needs of the area, requirements important orange growing districts. of Shops and Establishments Act other Rough estimates for citrus crop in West local laws, obligations under the Indust- Bengal are given below : rial Award/Settlement and provisions of the Negotiable Instruments Act, etc. (Area : thousand ha.) The banks are not required to obtain (Prodn : thousand tonnes) approval of Reserve Bank of India in this regard. 1980-81 1981-82 Area 3.42 3 JO Indo-polish Economic Cooperation and Trade broduction 26.25 28.25 1507. SHRIMATI JAY ANTI (c) to (e). State-wise data on PATNAIK : Will the Minister of export of organges are not available. COMMERCE AND SUPPLY be pleased However, export of oranges, fresh or to state : dried, from India during the years 1980-81 to 1982-83 (upto November, (a) whether his Ministry has been 1982) is given below : making efforts to give a boost to Indo- Export of Oranges, fresh, or dried Polish economic co-operation and trade diversification in coming years; (Quantity : In tonnes) (Value : Rupees in Lakhs) (b) if so, the steps taken in this Year Quantity Valus regard; and 7090 1980-81 127.50 (c) the target set for expanding trade 1981-82 7121 135-51 relation between India and Poland for 1982-83 1015 17.09 the next five years? (Upto Nov. 1982) « Oranges were mainly exported to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Bangladesh. MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND SUPPLY. (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) Opening of bank Branches for working to (b). Continous efforts arc being on sundays made to boost Indo-Polish economic cooperation and trade diversification. 1506 : SHRI AHT KUMAR SAHA : With these objectives in view, various Will the Minister of FINANCE bo steps like participation in trade fairs pleased to slate: and exhibitions, exchange of comnier- ctal delegations, convening of Intern (a) wether there is any proposal to Government Joint Commission meetings open acme bank branches for working and conclusion of annual Trade Proto- on Surdayg in different partes of West cols for exchange of commodities ttc. Bengal; are being taken. 1^1 Written Answers m a r c h i9, 198^ Written Answers 152

(c) The Trade Plan for 1985 (d) the total tonnes of rayon imported provides for a turnover of Tr^de of Rs. in those years? 429 crores. Targets in respect of ceriajn identified items for the period 1986-90 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE are being worked out in consultation MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND with the poles. SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) Production and Import of Rayon Yarn The production of Viscose Filament Yarn 1508. SHRIMATI JAYANTI during 1983-84 increased compared to PATNAIK: Will ihe Minister of 1983-83. However, production during COMMERCE AND SUPPLY be pleased 1984-85 is anticipated to be less then to State : 1983-84. (i\)^ Whether the production of rayon yarn has increased in the year 19 83-84 (b) No, Sir. The imports of Vijcose- ard 1984-85; Filament Yarn (First Quality) continues to be under the open General Licencc. (b) Whether steps have been taken to reduce the import of rayon yarn for that reason; (c) and (d). A Statment showing production and imports of Viscose Filament (c) if &o, the total production of rayon Yarn during 1982-83 to 1984'85( April- yarn in the above years; and December) is enclosed.

~~Statement~~

~~Xoar Production Imports (Provisional)~~

~~1982-83 :3 3,624 Tonnes 443 8 Tonnes~~

~~1983-8 4 . 35,823 Tonnes 3,660 Tonnes~~

~~1984-85 • 24,592 Tonnes 700 Ton^ies (April-Dee embpr)~~

Price of Viscose Yarii (p). The Prices of Viscose filameot yarn have shown an increase in the recent 1509. SHRIMATI JAYANtl past, the main reason for this PATNAIK : Will the Minister of increase appears to be the irabalarice COMMERCE AND SUPPLY be between demand and domestic supply. In Pleased to State : order to augment supply import of first quality Viscose Fibment Yarn is peraiit-t (a) whether, the pr ce of Viscose ed under open General Licence, Tt|C Varn has j|pne up, import duty on wood pulp has been removed in the Budget for 1985-86.

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and Indo-Canadian Trade Cooperation * 1510. SHRIMATI JAYANTI (c) the stpps taken to bring down PATNAIK : WMll the Minister of the price of Viscose Y^rn ? • ' COMMERCE AND SUPPLY be pleased to state : ' THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND (a) whether steps have been taken to SUPPLY (;SHRI p. A. SANGMA):

(b) if so, the trade target set between with Canada (technical/financial) cover both the countries for the next five manufacturing in India items such as years ; electrolytic generating systems, amperes (c) the various fields in which Indo- wave tapes for T.V. transmission systems, Canadian trade relations have been high purity water and waste treatment established and proposed ty be expanded systems, self-husting thermo-couples, in those years ; and solar selective block nickel coating, mona- filament fabric^, hard gelatine capsules, (d) the details thereof ? automatic magenetic tapes, solar THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE systems etc. MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) Scopc also exists for enlarging the (a) and (b). Various steps such as volume of trade, dive’sifying the pattern exchange of specialist trade delegations, of trade and joint coollaborations bet- participation in trade fairs/cxhibilio^B, ween Indian and Can£.dian companies setting up of trade offices of certain in third countries in areas export promo'ion ccuncils in Canada, like ferrous and non-ferrcus industries establishment of an Indo-Canad an Joint petro-chcmical comp'.cxes, railways civil Business Council between the Federation construction work e'c. of Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industry and the Canada-India Business Exemption of Import Scrap Council, Ottawa, have been taken to From Import Levies increase trade cooperation with Canada. However, bilaterally no trade targets 1511. PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE : Will the Minister of FINANCE be as such, have been fixed between the two countries for the next 5 years. pleased to slate :

(c) and (d). A statement is attached. (a) whether the Alloy Steel Producers Statement Association of India have urged Govern- ment to exempt the import scrap wholly India-Canada trade relations have from import levies; been established in the fields of communications, banking and energy. (b) if so, the details thereof ; and The State Bank of India commenced operations in Canada from August, 1982 (c) the reaction of Government there- and the Bank of Nova Scotia of Cunada to 7 established a branch ia Bombay on the t 14th May, 1984. The Air-Ir.dia commenced operations from Montreal on the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 2nd October, 1982 and added Toronto MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI to the list of stations from where it JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) and operates from 19th January, 1985. The (b). The Alloy Steel Producers Associa- Air-Canada on the other hand, started tion of India have represented to the oper-ating three flights from Bombay. Ministry of Steel and Mines for exemp- t’on from customs duty on carbon steel The Government of Canada is parti- melting scrap on the ground that the cipating in the Chamera Hydro-electric landed cost of imported scrap has gone Project, Idduki Hydro-electric Proj.;ct, up due to increase in internationl price both in the financial and the techical and appreciation in the value of the U.S. aspects of the Prcjcct. That apart, dollar. Canada has shown keenness to participate in development of mining, telc-communi* (c/ The matter is under consideration. cations, railway modernisation and energy in India. VoSunrary Disclosure of Income Prcsenily^ industrial collaborations 1512. SHRI R. P. DAS : Will the 1 is Written Answers m a r c h 29. 1985 l^ritten Answers 1^6

Minister of FINANCE be pleased to The decline is attributable to low state : carry-over stocks, increase in consumption and a steep fall in production of (a) whether Government propose to sugar during 1983-84. introduce a new scheme of voluntary disclosure of income with certain attrac- News-item C&ptioned-BankinK Circles tive concessions; Worried over Fund Scarcity

(b) if so, the details thereof; and 1514. SHRI SATYAGOALP MISRA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (c) the concessions that are proposed to be given to the persons making voluntary disclosure of income under this (a) whether his attention has been Scheme ? drawn to a news-item captioned “Banking Circles Worried Over Fund Scarcity” appeared in the “Statesman” Calcutta THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of February, 15, 1985; MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHAN\ POOJARY) : (a) There is no such proposal under consideration (b) whether during the week ending of the Government at present. February 1, borrowings of scheduled commercial banks from the Reserve Bank have declined Rs. 1,989 crores (b) and (c). Docs not arise. from Rs. 2,076 crores in the previous week; Export of sugar through State Trading Corporation (c) whether the cash balances of 1515. SHRI B. V. DESAI : Will the commercial banks have dropped to Minister of COMMERCE AND SUPPLY Rs. 8,548 crores from Rs. 9,061 crores be pleased to state : because of transfer of funds to the Centre with special adjustments; (a) whether the sugar exports by the State Trading Corporation in the current (d) if so, the reasons therefor; and year have been substantially lower as compared to those in the previous year; (e) the steps Governme nt propose to take to overcome the funds scarcity ? (b) if so, whether in 1983-84 the Corporation slightly exceeded its seven THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE l?kh tonne target; MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) Yes, (c) if so, th-J total export of sugar this Sir. year and to what extent it will be less than the last year; and (b^ to (e). The bsrrowings o scheduled commercial banks from the (d) the main reasons for this decline ? Reserve Bank of India declined from Rs. 2076 crores as on January 25, 1985 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to Rs. 1989 crores as on February, 1, MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND 1985. During the ssme period, the Civsh SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : balances of scheduled commercial banks (a) to (d). The sugar exports by STC with the RBI declined from Rs. 9061crores during 1984-85 are likely to be absut to Rs. 8548 crores. Week to week fluctua- 1.56 lakh MTs as aginst 8.14 lakh MTs tions in the scheduled commercial banks during 1983-84. The target for sugar ‘borrowings from the RBI in the cash exports during the calendar year 1984 balances with the RBI are quite normal was 6,5 lakh MTs. ard, as such, these fluctuations by them- 157Writ fen Answers CHATTRA 8, 1907, (S/4^/4) Written Answers 158 selves do not warrant any action. the Minister of COMMERCE AND SUPPLY be pleased to state : [ Translation] Stoppage of Circulation ofRs. 100 note (a) the total area under rubber culti- to Unearth Blaclc Money vation in the country and the latest production figure; 1515. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA : Will the the Minister of FINANCE be (b) the percentage of increase in pleased to state : production during the last fivs years with (a) the number of 100 Rupee denomi- year-wise break-up; nated notes in circulation at present; and (c) the actual domestic demandof rubber during these years; and (b) whether under the scheme to unearth black money Government are contemplating either to stop circulation (d) the steps being taken to augment of these notes or to get them deposited production of natural rubber in the for issuing rew notes in lieu thereof ? country ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) The MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND number of Rs. 100/ denomination notes SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : in circulation at the end of June, 1984, (a) Area under rubber cultivation at the the latest date for which information is end of 1983-84 was 3.08 lakh hectares available, was 1298 million pieces. and production during the 1983-84 was 175,280 tonnes. Estimated production (b) No, Sir. during the 1984-85 is 187,000 tonnes. iEngUshl Prodoction and Demand of Rubber (b) Year-wise production and percentage increase in production during the 1516. PROF. P. J. KURIEN ; Will last 5 years :

~~Year Production %age increase over (Tonnes) the Previous year~~

~~1 979-80 148.470 9.7~~

~~1980-81 153,100 3.1~~

~~1981-82 152,870 (— )0.2~~

~~1982-83 165,8 50 8.5~~

~~1983-84 175,28 0 5.7~~

~~(c) Domestic consumption of rubber 1 2 it givea below : 1980-81 173,630 Year Consumption (Tonnes) 1981-82 188,420~~

~~1 2 1982-83 19 5,545 1979-80 1(55,245 1983-84 209,480 159 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 160~~

(d) With a view to aur,menisng ing the Industrial DJvclopmcnt Bank of production of national rubber in the Bank of India (IDBI), for revival of sick country the R ubb er Board is in1Plem.; nt- units is amalgamation or merger or ing a r ubb n plantatioa development leasing out of a sick unit to a healthy Scheme fof rejuvenating existing planta- unit. tions and for u nder t ak i :~g fr esh p lant~. tions, /in non-tradit ional areas and (c) The information relating to the i<; •>iJ tid . 1 ~ C'l; l / _n ; t : c , t l ar , yillte ~ est assistance disbursed by IDBI during the subsidy , extensio il advis~ry supp:nt, last 3 years to large, m c:dium and small rainguarding material, high yielding scale u1its under the Schemes of Project planting m<\ terials for growers and is Finance, Soft Loans, Technical Develop- also undert and nurse such units as are c ~ nsi (b). One of the m!thods adopted by dered pot e ntia ~ ly ·viable. The banks and fiqa~ci a l banks and inst jtutions1 includ· institutioqs1 in case of viable sick units, 161 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 {SAK4) Written Answers 162

formulate a suitable rehabilitation pro* Decrease in Demand for Indian Silk in gramme coaiainiag several short term Inteinalional market and long term measures such as grant of financial concessions including waiver 1519. SHRr MOSAN BKAt PATEL : of penal interejit funding of interest, Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND reduction in the rate of interest SUPPLY b^ pleased to state : and rairgiii, rescheduling the overdue liabilities/irregularities for recovery (a) wh.;th:r the demand fjr Indian ia a phased mauner depending upon silk gone down in the internationial cash generation, grant of need based market; working capital and term loan facilities and o:hcr measures like change in (b) if so, the factors responsible management, amalgamation or merger therefore; and or leasing out to a healthy unit, etc. (c) the efforts biing made to Setting up of Tea Board Zonal Office at improve the position of Indian Silk in Cochin the international market ?

1518 PROF. P. J. KURIEN : Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of COMMERCE AND MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND SUPPLY be pleased to state ; SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) No Sir. (a) whether there is a proposal to set up a zonal office of the Tea Board at (b) Does rot arise. ^ Cochin; ■ ■Cl (c) Several steps are being teken to (b) whether Government have imporve the position of Indian Siii?;.jin received representation from Kerala the inteFnational market. Some of th ^ ^ ^ Government in this regard; and are as u n d e r;. , .

(.i) to provide facilities for duty (c) if so, the reaction of Government fr^e import of raw material thereto ? " req iired for produciion of jjoods for export, cash compensatory THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE support, etc, to exporters. MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRt P.A. SANGMA) : (a) (ii) to create awarness about Indian No, Sir. Silk in foroiga countries ,by pariicipation iu internationil fairs (b) and (c). The Govt, of Kerala had and by sending trade delegations represented that the office of the Chief aborad; . i Regional Executive, Tea Board which « was to be set up in South India, may be (iii) to iraplemeit programmes for located In Cochin. This was carefully improving the quality of silk so considered. However, since the work of as to make it more competitive the Chief Regional Executives is in the international market. primarily related to corrdination and monitoring of developmental schemes of Fina;icial Assistance by Banks in Rural the Tea Board with a view to improving areas far setting up Business/Industry production and productivity of tea, it was decided to locate the office at 1520. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD Coimbatore in view of its convenient SETHI ; Will the Minister of FINANCE situation between the tea growing areas be pleased to 9tate ; pf Kerala and the Nilyiri, 1G3 Written Amwets MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers i(j4

(a) whether some banks are Win the Minister of COMMERCE AND extending their co-opcraticn financially SUPPLY be pleased to state ; for the uplift of the rural areas for setting up business/industry in the States; (a) the number of cases during the last three years, year-wise, when our (b) if so, the names of such banks exported goods were refused by the and the amount invested so far in the ordering party abroad as the goods were State of briftsa during the last three not in conformity with the specifications *ycrrs; . of the orders;

(c) whether some banks have also (b) the details of total loss exporters selected some villages and given financial and Government suffered on this account, assistance for their improvement parti- year-wise; * cularly the weaker seciions of the society; and (c) whether the exports are entitled to the export incentive in such cases: Cd) if so, the details in this and regard ?

(d) if so, under what circumstances THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and the number of cases in which the MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI same was allowed during the above JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) All period ? scheduled commercial binks give financial assistance for setting up busi- nesVindustry ia the rural areas. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND (b) Data relating to total advances SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a), and (b). Usally acceptance or made by all scheduled commercial banks refus:il of goods is a matter between to Small Scale Industries (SSI) Units in Orissa for three years are indicated exporters and importers and this Minis- below : try comes to know of such cases only when the parties approach it with their (In lakhs) complaints. Thus complete information as asked for is not available with this Last Friday No. of Balance out- Ministry. of December 0 ccounts standing (Rs. (c) No Sir. For export benefit to 1980 34257 2932.30 accrue, remittance should be received. 1981 44092 3994.17 47051 4721.55 1982 (d) Does not arise.

Indian Insurance Companies Operating (c) and (d). Under “ Village Adop- Abroad ' tion Scheme” banks have adopted 141042 villages in the country as at 1522. SHRI MOOLCHAND DAGA : the end of June, 1983. Of these, the Will the Minister of FINANCE be 10,785, villages adapted in Orissa State, pleased to state : accounted for 257097 direct agricultural loan acOounts ta which the total amount outstanding was Rs. 6026.44 (a) the names of the Indian Insu- lakhs as at the end of June, 1983. rance Companies which are operating abroad indicating the numbsr of offices/ Lone* suffered by Exporters due to non branches of the each company; Acceptance of exported goods by the order lug party (b) the countries where these 1521.SHRI MOOLCHAND DAGA : branches/offices are located; l(iS If'riiin AnsH'ers CHAITRA 8, 1907 16«

~~(c) the figures of profit or loss of and percentage thereof to the total each carapany for 1982-83 and 1983-84 business ? separately; and~~

~~THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) the volumes of insurance busi- MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRt ness relating to our shipping companies JANARDHANA POOJARV) : (a)~~

~~Name of Company operating Number of Offices/Branches outside India~~

~~General Insurance~~

~~(l) National Insurance Company Ltd., Calcutta 4~~

~~d ) New India Assurance Company Ltd. Bombay 29 (3) Oriental Insurance Company Ltd. New Delhi (4) United India Insurance Company Ltd., Madras Life fnsurance (5) Life Insurance Corporation of India~~

(b)Geoeral Insurance operate through subsidiaries/ associate (1) Australia (2) Bahrain (3) Canada companies in the following count (4) Fiji (5) France (6) Hongkong riesr— (7) Japan (8) JordanC9) Kuwait (10) (I) Barbados (2) Dominica (3) Mauritius (11) Nepal (12) Netherland Ghyana (5) Kenya (6) Malaysia -Antilles (13) Oman [Muscat] (14) (7) Nigeria (8) SierraLeone (9) Philippines (15) SaudiArabia (16) Trinidad and Tcbago Singapore (17) Thailand (18) United Life Insurance Arab Emirates (19) United Kingdom (1) Burma (2) Fiji (3) Mauritius (4) United Kingdom Apart from the above, the general iasurance companies a'so (c) General Insurance

~~(Rs . in lakhs)~~

~~Name of Corampany Profits including dividends from subsidiary and associate compaaies during the year ending 31st December 1982 1983 1~~

~~National 21.71 7 5.30 Nsw India 2205.75 51.91 Il57 Written Answers MARCH 29, 198 5 Wtltten Answers 1^8~~

~~1 _ 2 3~~

Oriental 108.02 101.00 United India 84.50 110.84 G.l.C. 2.21* 2.80*

~~Total : 422.16 341.85~~

~~♦Represent dividends from associate campanies in Kenya and Malaysia.~~

Life Insurance JANARDHANA POOJARY): (a)ar.d The profit ar loss in life Insu- (b). Pub ic Sector Banks have hi baen* rance business docs not arise. The advised to spet up their prn cctor position in this behelf is reflected advaviccs to ihe level of 40i^ Cent of in the form of valuation surplus/deficit their total advances by M.irclv 5 and as disc'osed in the periodic actuarial to ensure that 2 5 per cent of such ad- valuafion of life insurance fusiness; the vances go to weaker sections of the amou ;t of valuation surplus in respect socieiy comp.ising small and margiaal of L ie ’s foreign operations during farmer, landless labourers, tenant farmers the two years pericd ending-3 1-3-19^3, and share croppers, I.R.D.P.beneficia- being the latest valuation, amounted ries artisans and village and cott- to Rs. 3.58 crores. age induslries, SC/ST beneficiaries of D.R.T. scheme. As per quick estimates, weaker sections had (d) The total gross marine hull insu- received Rs.340 5 crores involving cance (includirg war risk) premium 13 3..'5 6 lakh borrowal accounts or written direct in respect of 21,6 per cent of the priority sector Indian Shipping Companies for the advances of the public sector banks by year ending 3 1- 12 1 983 amounted to September, 1984. about Rs. 24 crores which csitnouted 52% of the total grcss maiine hull At present there is no proposal to (inc’uding warrisk) premium written enlarge the sc,>pe of weaker sections. direct by the G .IC ’s subsldiaris in that However, banks have been asked to y-ear. ' increase the quantum of lending to weaker s.ctions whit a view to meet Bringing of more weaker scetio.is w^ithin the target set for them. erc^it plan of Nationalised banks Deposit in and Credit advanced by banks in Tripura 1 52 3. SHRl AJOY BISWAS : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 1524. SHRI AJOY BISWAS: Will t© state’ the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (a) whether there is any schcme of Union Government to bring more (a) the (otal deposits in ench of the wcakcr-seciions wiihin the Credit plan of banks functioning in Tripura and the the Datinonalised banks; and credit advanced by them during the last. three years (year-wisel; and (b) if so, the details of the scheme? (b) the ratio of credits advanced separately for agriculture^ cottage THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE indusireis, small scale industries, nn.diura MINISTRY OB FINANCE (SHRl- scale industries, large scale irdustrics>. l 6^ Written Answers CHAtTRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers wholesale and retail trade and weaker operating in the State of Tripura is set sections of the society of Tripura ? out in the Statement, attached. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) Available information regarding MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI occupationwise distribution of outstand- JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) ing advances of all Scheduled Commercial Data on Deposits and advances for the banks in the State of Tripura is given last three years of each of the banks below : (Amt. in thousand Rs.)

~~December 19 81 December 1982 Occupation Amount Share in the Amount Share in the aggregate% aggregate%~~

~~I. Agriculture 52160 23.9 7 6 903 27.8 ir. Industry 407 26 18.6 47592 17.2 of which Small Scale Industry 17654 8.1 2000 9 7.2~~

~~III. Traiisport Operators 64930 29.7 71957 26.0 IV. Personal and Professional Services 620 5 2.9 383 2 1.4~~

~~V. Trade 33 644 15.4 3408 2 12.3 (a) Whole sale j 9417 4,3 10/576 3.9 (b) Retail 24227 11.1 23406 8,4 VI. Personal Loans (including Consumer Durables] 10141 4.6 14820 5.3~~

~~VII. Others ' 10785 4.9 27740 10.0~~

~~Total Bank Credit’*^ 218591 100.0 2769 26 100.0~~

*These figures are according to utilisation aad relate to accounts with credit limit over Rs. 10000. Statement Dluribitijt '>f Oipai’us a't I Cryiit of SchaiihJ Cymn^rcht Ba iki functioning in ■ Tripura Stale on the last Friday of) (Amount in bkhs of Rupees)

~~Name of the Bank December 1931 December 1982 December 1983~~

~~- Deposits Advances Deposits Advances Deposits Advances 1 2 3 4 5 6~~

~~1 5~~

~~State Bank of India 11,41 6,98 16,02 7,48 18,29 9,80 Bank of Broda 83 42 1,00 50 1,20 53 17! Written AnsY^ers MARCH 29, 1985 Writ ten Answers 172~~

~~Allahabad Bank 3(5 10 t>6 13 73 15 Indian Bank 75 37 85 41 78 46 Central Bank of India 72 32 1,00 32 1.13 35 Unioii Bank of India 1,04 35 1,18 54 1,38 70~~

United Bank of India 16,51 8,58 18,22 11,83 29.51 14,12 United Commercial Bank 6,29 2,97 6,16 4,43 6,51 4,68 Punjab and Siod Bank 48 31 38 28 60 24 Vijaya Bank 24 12 38 17 62 24 Tripura Grarain Bank 5,36 8,52 6,37 11,97 9,61 14,68 Purbanchal Bank Ltd.*

~~Total 43,99 29,04 52’22 38,06 61,48 46,03~~

~~Data are provisional. *Data not available.~~

Outstanding loans and advances of As on 31-12-1984, the outstanding Nationalised banks to Industries loans of the all India term lending financial institutions viz. Industrial 1 525. SHRI AJOY BISWAS : Will Development Bank of Ind.a (IDBI), the Minister of FINANCE be pleased Industrial Finance Corporation of India to state : (IFCI) and Industrial Credit and Investment Corporation of India (ICICI) (a) tho total outstanding loans and to industrial units in which the indivi- advances of the nationalised banks and dual amount of loaus outstanding was other public financial i istitutions to the above Rs. 1 crorr, amouit to Rs. induslfics in large scalc-scctor till 1678.35 crores, Rs. 776.03 crores and date; Rs. 9 34.0 5 crores respectively.

(b) the total amount shown as bad (b) According to the Forms of Balance debts and written off; and Sheet, and Profit and Loss Account prescribed under Banking Regulation (c) the steps Government propose to Act, 1949, and according to the usages take to realise the outstanding loans and practices customary among banks from the large scale industries ? and institutions^ the details of bad and doubtful debts in banks/institutions for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE which provisions are made to the satis- MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI faction of their auditors are not to be JANARDHAN POOJARY): (a) As per disclosed. the latest data available with the Reserve Bank of India, as the end of (c) The banks and financial institutions June, 1984 thi amount of outstai.ding have a system of continuous monitoring advances off all Scheduled Commercial of xixn accounts of individual barrowers Banks to indistrial borrowers enjoying at various levels and stages. As soon crcdit limit of Rs. 1 crore and above as an advancc shoves «igns that it may amount to Rs 9 3 74 crorcs. prove difficult of vecovcry, the same 173 mitten Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 Written Answers 174 is reviewed in detail with reference to possible for the Centre to provide any ihe purpose for which the advance had assistance for this purpose. boon given, the nature of business and the status of borrower, availability of Export of Salt to A^'rica by STC. security, worth of boirower/guarantois, elc. O nthebisis of the review, steps are iniiiated to recover/regularise the 1527. SHRI SHIVENDRA BAHADUR advances. Steps taken may include SINGH : Will the Minister of attempts to nurse the unit, improve its COMMERCE AND SUPPLY be pleased business by diversifying its activity, to state : enhancing the profitability. *etc. If such steps do not bear any fruit, advances (a) whether State Trading Corpora- are recalli d and steps are initiated to t'on intend to export salt to Africa; rccrver the advances by enformation of security or by initiating legal (b) if so, the quality thereof; proceedings against the party. (o) the agencies through which it Assistance (o Tripura for paying D. A . at Ccnrfal rates to State Goveranment will be exported; and Employees (d) the amonnt of profit to accrue 1 52 6. SHRI AJOY BISWAS : Will thereby ? the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE ANT> (a) whether Government of Tripura SUPPLY (SHRI P.A. SANGMA) : have approached the Union Government (a) Yes, Sir. for finances to s.mction Dearness Allowance at the Central rates to the (b) Both Crushed and Uncrushcd State Government employees of Tripura; Indian Marine salt with minimum 96% on dry basis. (b) whether Ooveinment are aware that Tripura is a backward State and (c) It will be exported through has 00 financial resources to sanction members of Indian Salt Manufacturers Dearness Allowance at the Central Association in the Country. retes to the State employees without the financial assistance of the Union Government; and (d) STC’s service charge is 1% on FOB prices for quantity above 1,000 MT and 5% for quantity of 1000 MT (c) if so, whether the Union Govern- and bellow. ment would sanction more funds to Tripura Government so as to remove Trade and Econrmic Co-operation di!5parity in Dearness Allowance between betwen India and Oil-producing the Central and State Government Gulf Countries employ ess ? * 1528. SHRI B.V. DESAI : Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minister of COMMERCA AND MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI SUPPLY bo pleased to state : JANARDHANA POOJARV) (a) : Yes, Sir. (a) whether it is a fact that gaps of comuoicaiion as also of confidence are (b) and (c). Sarctioning of D.A. to coming in the way of greater and the employees of State Goverament is economic co-operation between India a mettcr that falls entirely within the and the oil-producing Gulf countries; States discretion. It would not be and 175 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 176

(b) tho major steps proposed to bs bank advances of Rs. 228.24 crores as taken fjr more trade with these Gulf at the end of June, 19 83 and 8111 sick countries during I 984 and onwards ? smill scale units with outstanding bank advances of Rs. 59.52 crores as at the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE end of December, 1982 in the State of MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND Tamil Nadu. As p .‘ r the latest infor- SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : mation available with the RBI, as at (a) No, Sir, the end of Decembr, 1 983, there were 44 large sick units and (5955 sick small (b) Bilateral trade talks at scale units in the State of Tamil Nadu Governnient level, participation in trade with outstanding bank advances of Rs. fairs and exhibiiiins, exchange of 183.31 crores and Rs. 71.13 crores delegations, market surveys, partici- respectively. pation in construction and other projects, setting up of Join ventures (b) In accordance with the policy of are among the important steps taken the Government, the banks are required to identify sickness in an industrial by the Government to increase the trade unit at the incipient stage itself; carry with these countries. A Seminar on Indo-A*ab Trade Economic and out viability studies and nurse such Technical Cooperation is also proposed units as are considered potentially to bo held in New Djlhi this year. viable. In the case of viable stick units, the b;mks formulate a package Recovery of Outstanding Bank Credit of rehabilitation, with a view to enable form large and small Industrial units the units to recover and repay their in Tamil Nadu dues. In the case of non-viable stick units, the b:vnks co^Jld resort to recall 1529. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : of advances, enforcement of securities Will the Minister of FINANCE be and other lerg?l remedies for recovarirg pleased to state : the amounts due to them. {Translation^ (a) the amount of outstanding bank One Rupee Notes and Coins minted and credit from 40 large industrial units Circulated during sixth Five Year from cach of which the due? exceeded Plan Period Rupees one crore and 8111 small 19 30. SHRI DILEEP SINGH industrial units that were reported to BHURTA : Will the Minister of be sick in Tamil Nadu at the end of FINANCE be pleased to state the June, 1 983; and number of notes of one rupee,^ denomf- (b) the step« being taken to recovcr nation and the value ,of coins minted these dues or to revive these units ? and cirulated in the market by Government during the Sixth Five THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Year Plan period ? MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI . [ I JANARDHAN POOJARY) : (a) As per THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the infofination furn shed by the m i n i s t r y o f FINANCE (SHRI Reserve Bi’.nk of India (RBI), there j ANARDHANA POOJARY) : The infor- were 40 large sick units with outstanding mation is given b^low :— (In Million Pieces/Value in million Rupees)

~~Years Production of one Rupee Total circulation as at the conis and notes end of the period One Rupee Coin One Rupee Note One Rupee Coin One Rupee Note~~

~~1980-81 138 915 1360 2069 1981-82 139 712 1497 ZU9 ■ \ 177 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 Written Answers 178~~

~~1 'j "r I~~

~~1982-83 165 465 1'653 ' 2047 \ . 1983-84 186 206 ' 1902 ■ ' p *ri7? r ■ 1984-85 247* . 435 2032 1980~~

~~(up to February, 1985) <1 (up to Ddcember« 19 84)~~

Accounting Lapses detected at Central Union Governm-jnt (Commercial) 1 983- Coalfields Limited Part V is the difference between the Sales Office and the Area Office balances 1531. SHRI DILEEP SINGH under ‘Advance Deposit Cash Sales' and BHURIA : Will the Minister of STEEL, represents nu>ney deposit9d.Vy ^JU^tOnicrs MINES AND COAL be pleased to for purchase pf coal 6ut liot tifted^vvftkia state ; 31st March," 1982 and also'' includes unreconciled old ^balances. The details (a) whetlier the Comptroller and in certain cases cpujd not -be made Auditor General of India in his audit available to th^ auditors., Ths positi;Qq report on the accounts of the Central had already been . indicate^ by the Coallields Limited for the year 1982 management in their note to” final, has pointed out thrt details for the accounts Annexed to the Annual Report discrepancy amounting to Rs. 712.59 and Accounts for 1 98 l-82;($chedule Z), lakh in respect of sale of caol stocks which'has already been laid in the Lok were not available in the records of Sales Sabha. As' the potbs of the minagemerit; Office and Area Office; (Schedule Z) of the Annual Accounts indicated the above observations ^in (b) whether the company could not accordance with the requirement- by furnish ariy voucher for Rs. 517.48 lakh both the Statutory Auditors as well aa stated to have been spent by the company C.A.G.’s representatives, no Stpw^te OQ land;' mention in this respect was made in the Statutory Auditors’ report "and C.A.G,, (c) whether the company did not make had also given.a '*NU cjmm^ent’ J^report efforts for realisation of Rs. 110 lakh as per usual practice. " ^ advanced to various persons; (b) No, Sir. However, the reconcilia- tion of land rccords with the amounts (d) whether compuny could not appsaring in the balance sheet alongwith produce vouchers for Rs. 7984,05 lakh prpp;r technical break-up for proper for verification in audit for the year prcftoa'Ltion of land in the various 1982 by Comptroller and Auditor specific h9ads, name'y lease-hold, free General of India; and hold and'mining rights could not bo done by the company. (e) if so, the action taken by Govern- * ment regarding the misuse of such a (c) The amount oJt Rs.llO lakhs big amount ? mentioned in the Report represents the money advanced on accounut of local THE MINISTER OF STEEL. MINES purtihasc/store purchases for company AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SAFHE) : activities and do not represent personal (a) The amount of Rs. 712.59 lakhs advai.ces. Tho .balance under this bjing mentioDcd in the Report of the Compt- continuing balance varies from year to roller and Auditor General of India- years. * 179 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 180

(d) The amount of Rs.7 984.05 lakas the Table of the House. mentioned in the Report represenets estimated commit'-nent for capital expen- [EngHsh] diture which is disclosed in the Annual Accounts in accordance with Company’s Opening of New Branches of Banks Act and does not represent expenditure. in Midnapur District As such the question of production of vouchers for the aforesaid amount docs 1533. SHRIMATI OEETA not arise, MUKHERJEE : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state • (c) As no misuse of money i* involved, question of taking any action does not (a) the number of licences issued by ariio, ths Reserve Bank of India for opening new branches by different nationalised Accounting Lapses Detected at BCCL banks form the midde of 198 3 to February, 1 985 in Midnapur District, 1532. SHRI DILEEP SINGH West Bengal, ban'k-wisc figures thereof; BHURIA: Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES AND COAL be pleased to state ; (b) the number of new branches actually opened during this period; (a) whether the Comptroller and Auditor General of India has not found (c) whether any bank has surrend- any documents in regard to dept ered any of these licences, and balancc of Rs.5.42 lakh, current expenditure amounting to Rs. 2270.46 (d) if so, the details thereof ? lakh and purchase of land for Rs. 228.07 lakh in 198 3 during the auditing af the accounts of Bharat Coking Coal THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Limited; and MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) and (b). Available information relating to (b) if so, action taken by Government the number of authorisations/ licences for incurring such a huge wasteful ex- issued to the Public Sector Banks from penditure ? April 198 3 to February 1985 for opening branches at rural/ semi-urban cen- THE MINISTER OF STEEL. tres in Midnapore District, West Bengal MINES AND COAL ; (SHRI VASANT and the number of branches opened by SATHE) : (a) and (b). The information them till the end of December 1984 is is being collect td and will be laid on set out below :

Name of the Number of authorisa- Of which the number of Public Sector tions/licences issued for authorisations/licences Bank Rural/Semi-Urban Utilised till the end of Centres . December 1984 for opening branches

~~1 2 3 Stale Bank of India 24 • 6 United Bank of India 25 1~~

~~United Commercial Bank 39 —~~

~~Bank of India 7 i 8 i Written Answers Ch AITIU 8, 1007 Written Answers U 2~~

~~1 2 3~~

~~N tw Bank of India 2 1~~

~~Allahabad Bank 14 4~~

~~Canara Bank 3 —~~

~~Punjab National Bank 19 6~~

~~Indian Bank 3 —~~

~~Central Bank of India 8 —~~

~~Indian Overseas Bank 3 —~~

(c) and (d). Reserve Bank of India Stepi taken to improve Performancef o f have received a request from the Indian Public Scctor Steel Planti Overseas Bank for su rendering one centre Hijla out of the three centres 1535. SHRI BRAJA MOHAN allotted to it, for want of basic in- MOHANTY : Will the Minister of frastructural facilities. STEEL, MINES AND COAL be pleased to state : Excise Dufy Evasion by Leading Cigarette Manuf»cturing (a) the steps Oovernnicnt have CompaDies taken to improve the performances of public sector steel plants to make 1534. SHRIMATI GEETA them more economically viable and MUKHERJEE : Will the Minister of competitive; FINANCE be pleased to state : (b) the details of the steps taken to (a) whether some leading cigarette bring tho technology of steel production manufacturing companies have been re- at par with other advanced countries of cently found involved in avasion of the world; Central excise duty to the tune of several crores of rupees; and. (c) whether any proposal for importing techonlogy in this sector is (b) if so, the details of these com- being worked out; and. panies, the amount involved and the action taken or proposed to be taken (d) if so, the detatils thereof ? against them ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE DEPARTMENT OF STEEL (SHRI MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRl K. NATWAR SINGH) ; (a) and (b) JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) and Following steps have beco taken to im- (b). A show cause notice dated 2-3-19 85 prove performance of Public Sector has been issued to M/s. National Steel Plants in the country : Tobacco Company Ltd., Calcutta under the provisons of Central Excise law demanding excise duty of about Rs.4.08 (i) Increased Product Ion '• Pro- crorcs alleged to have been avadcd by duction in the public sector mis-declaration of the sale price of integrated steel plants of SAIL cigarettes. (including USCO) is planned to 183 fVrliten Answers MAr CH 19, 1^8$ tVrUten AnsWeta 184

be increased from the estimated development of high value steel items. 5.28 million tonnes in 1984-85 69 projects were taken up in 1982-8 3 to 5.92 million tonnes in and another 55 in 1983-84. Joint 1985-8 6. groups of R&D scientists and operating technolJgists in the plants have been (li) By diversification the production formed in each plant and the adoption of special critical items which of technological innovation have been were being imported in earlier speeded up. Improved maintenance years has been increased substan- techniques are being introduced to im- tialy, prove the performance of each unit.

(iii) Plant level cost control com- The performance of every unit in each mit'ees have been set up to meet steel plant has been reviewed by a group regularly and achieve reduction comprising scientists and technologists in costs. of kescarch & Development Centre of SAIL, dcs gn exports of MECON, operating technologists of the steel (iv^ Strict control on inventories of plants and other experts (such as from raw materials, stores and spares, iiprocess materials etc. There BHPV and BHEL) to pinpoint the defi- ciences, formulate schemes to rectify was a reduction of Rs 23 crores these and improve the performamance. in the inventory of stores and spares during the period April- Similar groups have formulated the December, 19 84. most cost effective schemes of techo- logical upgradation of each steel plant (suffering from obsolescence iij a large (v) Special efforts to adhere to number of areas leading to high costs) technological regimes in process and these are under examination for an(i equipment operation and to investment approval. techno-economic norms of efficiency despite deterioration in the quality of raw materials. Proposals for technological upgradation of iDurgapur Steel Plant, Rourkela Steel Plant and IISCO, are at various (vi) Creation of awareness^ o^f the stages of active consideration of , need for improving productivity Government. . . , by inter-action between all J categories of personnel enjj^joyed Bhilai Steel Plant & Bokaro Steel Plant through seminars, workshops ► regular discussion on how to improve productivity Schemes arc under preparation for with trade unions at plant level technological upgradation and removal and at corporate level of bottlenecks in respect of Bokaro Steel Plant and Bhilai Steel Plant. (vil) Efforts are also being made to ^ , ensure adequate inputs of the (c) and (d). The technologies which ^ ‘ fight qualiti'cs. Captive power might become necessary to import for ^ iteiieratlbn will be maxifni^cd. technological upgradation of the plants arc : — (viii) Technological Developments. !■ . . . ■ f.- Rcsearch and development efforts are (i) Selective crushing of coal for being intensified to overcome the pro- ' coke even plants at DSP, RSP blems faccd by the steel plants through and IISCO, Burnpur. U>o of process constraints, reduction in costs (such as in energy and ' (ii) Stamp charging (Samples have improvemexit .in, technological regimes been sent to West Germany to and iQuices), improvement in yield and ccertain suitability of Indian 1&5 tVrit/en Answers CHAiTRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Written Anrwers 186

~~^ Coals) at Rourkela Steel Plant. earnings by various sources?~~

(iii) Anhydrous liquid ammonia by THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Phosam Process at Rourkela MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Steel Plant. JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) The foreign exchange reserves (excluding Gold and Special Drawing Rights) as (iv) Sinter technology improvement on 3 1st December, 1984, 31st January at DSP, RSP and IISCO, rnd 28rh February, 198 5 were as Indi- Burnpur. catcd below:

~~(v) Gas probes and pressure tapping at different level of blast furnace (Rs. crores) at Rourkela Steel Plant. 31-12.1984 6250.29 (vi) Coal dust injection at Rourkela Steel Plant. 3M -1985 6014.47~~

(v ii) Crst House Sl?g Granulation at 28-2-1985 6245.58 Dtirgapur Steel Plant. (b) The comparative positions during (viii) KORF process at Rojrkcla Steel 1977-78 and 1978-79 was as follows: Plant. ‘ (Rs. crores) (ix) Vacuum refining facility at Durgapur Steel Plant. 31st December 3998.29 4890.35

~~Decisions on technologies to be im- 31st January 3959.31 5081,71 ported would depend upon the final approvals of schemes for the Seventh 28th February 4103.1 1 5094.74 Plan.~~

Negotiations arc bsi^g carried out to (c) to (e). The amount of net foreigi enter into technology transfer of KR exchange earnings from all external and INRED iron-making process. transactions is reflected in the levels and variations in the country’s foreign ex- Drop in Foreign Exchange change reserves. There has been an increase of Rs. 1117.6<5 crores in the foreign exchange reserves in the current 1536. SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS : year upto 22nd March, 1985. It is not Will the Minister of FINANCE be feasible to make an estimate of the pleased to state : foreign exchange earnings from different sources. (a) whether there is a drop in foreign exchange reserves during the past two Pending tneome Tai: Arrear Cases morftlis (January and February, 198 5); 1 537. SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS : (b) if so» the details thereof as com- Will the Minister of FINANCE be pared to the years 1977-78 and pleased to state : 1978-79; (a) the number of cases pending (c) whether the foreign exchange for recovery of Income-tax arioars in earnings of the country have declined; different courts in the country during 1984; (d) if so, to what extent; and (b) the number of c.ises decldcd and (c) the present foreign exchange the amount recovered during 1984; and 18^ Written Answers M a r c h 29, i9s5 Written Answers 188

~~(c) the particulars of those cases in (a) whethc. States have been allowed which arrears were more thaa Rs. five to take up coal mining cither on their lakhs? own or in the joint sector;~~

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the state which have been MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI given the licences ; and JANARDHANA POOJARY) ; (a) to (c). Complete information about recovery of (c) the names of States and the names Income-tax arrears pending in different of mines for which they havo been given courts of the country is not available. licences to exploit ? However, the requisite information in respcct of cases, whore the income-tax THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES demands exceeded Rs. 10 lakhs as on AND COAL : (SHRI VASANT j -1-1984, is as under : SAHHE) : (a) to (c). In 1979, it was decided that while continuing the existing 8 8 cases were pending for recovery of policy of the Central Government carry- income-tax arrears in different courts of ing out coal mining operations in the the country as on 1-1-19 84. Out of country by its own undertakings, the them, 17 cases were decided and the State Governments might also be allowed amouit recovercd/rcducod is Rs. 4.55 to carry out coal-mining operations in crores. The purticuhrs of buch casos in isolated small pjckets fubject to the which income-tax demands exceeded Rs. following conditions : 10 lakhs are given below : (i) the State Gov>.anmcnt undertak- SI. No,, Name of Assessee ings operating the mines directly and not through contractors;

1. Indian Hotel Co. Limited (ii) the mining operations being 2. Raymond Woollen Mills confined to non-coking coal; 3. Jagatjit Industries Ltd. (iii) the coal mining operations 4. Sat Narain Aggarwal being subject to the provisions 5. Ashoka Marketing of the Various mining and other 6. Century Enka Limited laws on the subject; 7. Raja Baldeedar Birla Somtatikesh (iv) the sale of coal being in accor- 8. Kesoram Industries dance with the giedc-wise prices 9. Chevram Chemicals (C) USA notified by the Central Govern- 10. International (Chemicals & ment from time to time; Minerals) » (v) the minir.g operation being Jl. Gemini Distilleries (P) Ltd. confined to open-cast op(.*rations 12. Suri & Nayar Limited only, and 13. M.Ramanamma (Smt) 14. Rafuilla & Bros. (vi) Coal India Limited, issuing a, ‘no objection’ certificate stating that 15. Pcrilovanpati Hindu Nadar it has no plans for operating the 16. Birli Jute Mfg. Co. Limited concenrncd area in the near 17. J.K. Birla. future.

Coal MlDlng by States The isolated small pockets, are those which are away from the main coalfields 1539. SHRI SATYENDRA and have limited known reserves which NARAYAN SINHA : Will the Minister are not sufficient for scicntifie and of STEEI, MINES AND COAL be economic development in a coordinated pleased to state : and integrated manner and the coal 189 fVrliten Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 iSAKA) Written Answers 190 produced from such areas would be risation in two phases over a period of utilised for local consumption without five years. Government have requested transportation by Railways. the Reserve Bink of India to consider implementing the programme within two In the light of these guidelines, the to three years. Reserve Bank of India Slate Governments of Assam and West has set up a Standing Committee under Bengal approached the Central Govern- the Chairmanship of Dr. C. Ranga- ment for grant of mining leases in rajan. Deputy Governor, Reserve favour of their Slate Undertakings for B mk of India to monitor the implemen- exploitation of coal in isolated pockets. tation of the progromme of computerisa- The Oevevnmcnt have conveycd their tion and mechanisation by banks. ‘ approval to the Governments of Assam and west Bengal to the grant of mining Floating of D.^bentures by Companies leases for coal in isolated small packet, 1542. SHRI VIRDHl CHANDER for a period of two years, in Q.'\rampani JAIN : Wiil the Minister of,FINANCE Area of N.C. Hills in favour of Assam. bj bkascd to state : Minerals Development Corporation and in Bagrakote and Dalinkote arcLS in (a) whether a few companies which Di^rjecling District of State of W st had floated debentures issues ia August- Bengal in favour of West Bengal Miner- Saptember, 1984, have since then als Development and Trading Corpora- collected the allotment money without tion Limited respectively, under section issuing Debenture Certificates or paying 5(2) (a) of Minerals (Regulation the irterest ; Development) Act, 1957 . subject to the conditions mentioned abjve. (b) if so, the names of such companies; and Computerisation of Banking Operations (c) the action Government propose 1510. SHRl SATYENDRA to take \n this regard ? NARAYAN SINHA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased te state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (a) whether a programme for JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to (c). computerisation of banking operations During the period August-September, hns been drawn up; and 1984, only two compeniss Viz.t M/s. Roche Products Ltd. Bombay and M/s. The Raymond woollen Ltd., Bombay, (b) if so, the details thereof ? had issued debentures to the public through prospectus. As per the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN infomaiion available with the Stock THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Exchenge, Bombay, these companies have JANARDHNA POOJARY): (a) and still not issued debenture certificates of (b). Reserve Bank of India had constit- Registration of Mortgages/Charges from uted in July 1983, a Committee under the Registrar of Companies have the Chairmanship of Dr. C. Ranga- not so far been received by the rajan, Deputy Governor to look into companies. These companies have, the quesiioa of computerisation and however, issued Letters of Allotment mechanisation in banks. The which are transfarable and parmitted for Committee, has suggested a phased trading in Stock Exchanges. Interest in programme of computeritation/mechani- the case of debentures issued by M/s. sation in banks ft has recomended Roche Products Ltd., which fell due on mechanisation/computerisation at all 24-2-1985 for the first six months, has the three levels n imely, branch level the been paid by the company. In the case Zonal/Rogional level and the Head of M/s. Raymond woollen Mills Ltd.. Office level. Though the Conmittce has interest payment for the fir*t six months rcpoQtmeadcd niechaqisat ion/co mput e-* U due only on 1-4-1985, 191 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 192

Alleged Irregularities In Loans by issued instruction to banks to review the Nationalised Banks systems and procedures in vogue in regard to the management of advances 1543. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH portfolio and control over advances on MALIK : Will the Minister of FINANCE the basis of certain irregularities and be pleased to state : deficiencies which have come to its notice in regard to sanction of or (a) whether there have been serious supervision over advances. Recently it irregularites in advancing bank loans by has instructed banks to review larger branches of nationalised banks and State advances, to look into large problem subsidiaries amounting to millions of advances and has impressed upon the rupees during the last three years; banks that it is the responsibility of the top executives to constantly review the (b) if so, the number of such cases position of larger advances and exposure where irregularity of more then rupee to borrower groups and keep themselves one lakh has been detected during the apprised of the developments in regard same period in cach bank; to larger advances. It has also em- phassscd that the Executive Directors/ (c) whether many amount of loan Chairmen of the Banks are morally had to be written oflF and ■ if so, the and constructively responsible for effec- details thereof; and tive supervision and monitoring of larger advances. . (d) the action Government have taken to avoid such recurrences ? Ban on the purchase of Hindustan Contessa Cars by Government Department and Public Sector Undertakings THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 1 544. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) and MALIK ; Will the Minister of FINANCE (b) The Reserve Bank of India has be pleased to state : . reported that during the course of its inspectio'ns of the b:^nks, it does come (a) whether Government have put a across cases of serious irregularities in ban on the purchase of Hindustan some of the loan accounts of thj banks. Contessa cars by Government Depart- However, since irregularities in the ments and Public Sector Undertakings; accounts occur in the normal course of business also, and as all irregular (b) whether inspite of Government’s accounts are not doubtful of recovery, no orders, some Departments of Govern- separate material on such accounts is ment and Public Sector Undertakings kept. However, appropriate follow-up have purchased those cars; measures are initiated by the RBI and the concerned banks to rectify the (c) if so, the names of such Depart- defects. ments/Undertakings which have purchased Contessa cars during 198 3 (c) According to the forms of balance and 1984 ; and sheet and drofit and loss acCDunt prescribed under Banking Regulation Act (d) the reaction of Government 1949, banks are given statutory protec- thereto ? tion against disclosure of the quantum or parliculais of bad and doubtful debts THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THE for which provision has been made to MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI the satisfaction of their auditors. In JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) Yes. view of this, information in this regard Sir. cannot bo divulged. (b) and (c). Orders in this regard were (d) The Reserve Bank of India has issued by Government on J 9-4-84 for 193 iVrttten Answers CHAITRA 8j 1907 Written Answers 194

Government Departments and bn 7-6-84 Export of Tobacco by Tobieco for public sector enterprises. Therefore, Producing States the question of purchase of Contessa cars in 1983 in violation of ban orders 1546. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA : does not arise. Information in respect will the Minister of COMMERCE AND of the year 1984 is being collected SUPPLY be pleased to state : from various authorities and vi'ill be laid on the Table of the Hoase as soon (a) the names of the States which are as received. producing tobacco;

(d) Does not arise in view of (b) and (b) the quantity and the value of tobacco exported from each tobacco (c) above. producing State, annually; Collieries lying closed (c) the agency through which this 1545. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH export is being and the names of the MALIK : Will the Minister of STEEL, countries which are importing Indian MINES AND COAL be pleased to tobacco; state : (d) whether there was a complaint (a) whether it has come to the notice from certain countries in regard to sub- of Government that a number of collie- standard tobacco being exported from ries have been lying closcd in various India; states ; (e) whether any responsibility has (b) the number of such collieries been fixed in this regard; and lying closed; (f) the steps taken to maintaio the (c) since when these are lying closed; standard for exporting tobacco ? and (d) the arrangements being made by Th e MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Government for their working a t. par MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND with the textile mills in the country so SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) ; (a) as to provide employment to the back- Andhra Pradesh, Assam, Bihar, Gujarat, ward labour ? Karnataka, Maharashtra, Orissa, Tamilnadu, Uttar Pradesh and West THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES Bengal are the States producing tobacco. AND COAL (SHRI VASAST SATHE) : (a) to (d). The information is being (b) The quantity and value of collected and will be laid on the Table of unmanufactured tobacco exported during the House. 1983-8 4, Slate-wise are as under :

~~State Qty'*' • Value’" in tonnes in Rs./lakhs~~

~~Andhra Pradesh 78 366 17005.97 & Karnataka Gujarat 11570 1091.33 West Bengal 49 7.93~~

~~89985 18105.23~~

*Provisioq*il 195 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 196

(c) Exporters registered with Tobacco had earned a production loss of about Board are allowed to expOit tobacco. 32,000 tonnes of hot metal. USSR, UK, Saudi Arabia, Yemen ftnd Egypt are the major importers of (b) Yes, Sir. SAIL had set up an Indian tobacco. enquiry committee of five experts, one of whom was the Chief Soviet Expert (d) and (e). There were complaints (Specialist in Blast Furnaces). from China in regard to supply of sub- standard tobacco by India. Show cause vc) The enquiry committee came to Notices were issued by the Directorate the conclusion that air got in contact of Marketing and Inspection on the with the outer surface of the carbon packers and grading of tobacco under blocks (which are in direct contact with Agmark by these packers who also the hot met?l) and eroded the outer suspended. The matter is pending sicce surface of these carbon blocks, thereby some of the parties obtained stay orders causing the break-out of hot metal. from the High Court. (d) The enquiry committee coaid not pin point responsibility on any in- Disciplinary proceedings against the dividual. cjncarned Officers are being initiated. [ Translation] _ (f) Grading and Mirking of tobacco before export under Agmark is carped Advancing of Loans to Educated out on compulsory basis in order to Unemployed in Surat ensure that good quality of tobacco is exported. Quality Control measures 1548. SHRI C.D. GAMIT : Will are being striclly enforced by the the Minister of FINANCE bo pleased Directorate of Marketing and Inspection to state ; on exports of tobacco. (a) the number of cases referred Break‘OUt of Blast Farnance of Bokaro by District Industry Centre, Surat during Steel Plant 1983-84 and upto February, 1985 to 1547. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Will each nationalised bank for advancing (he Minister of STEEL, MINES AND loans to educated unemployed persons COAL be pleased to state : under Self-Employment Schemc;

(a) whether blast furnace number (b) whether grant of loans in the four of Bokaro Steel Plant had a break- cases referred by District Industry Ceotrfi out last year causing great loss to the is either delayed or refused by branch Plant; managers of the banks ;

(b) whether any enquiry was (c) if so, whether his Ministry ^ conducted to look into the reasons for have issued/propose to issue any instruc- the break-out of this blast furnace; tions to banks for giving them loans without any difficulty; and

(e) if so. the reasons for the break- (d) if so, the details thereof ? out of thii blast furnace; aad THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (d) whether any responsibility was THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE fixed in this case ? (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to (d). Under the monitering THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE system prescribed for the Scheme for DEPARTMENT OF STEEL (SHRI K. providing Sclf-Emyloyment Unemployed NATWAR SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. Youth district-wise data pertaining to There was a break-out in blast furnace each bank is not readily available; How- ^Io.4 on September 11, 1984. This ever, as per the inforination available, 1^7 JVrlt/en Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 fVrif/e/i Answers 108 as against the target of 11,200 benefi- issue any instructions in this matter ; ciaries under the scheme for the year and 1983-84, the number of cases recomended by the District Industries Centres in (e) if so, the details in this regard ? the State of Gujarat, were 19585; out of which 10497 applications amounting THE MINISTER OF STATE IN to Rs. 1538.S8 lakhs were sanctioned THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRt by banks. For the year 19 84-8 5 as per JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to (e) reports indicating the progress of the Self- The centralised data collection system Employment Scheme upto 15-2-85, 90 58 of banks does not yield braCh-wise and applications were received by tbe category-wise information in the manner D istrict Industries Centres in the State desired. The t9 tal priority sector of Gujarat, of which 3392 applications advances of public sector banks, in amounting to Rs. 620,40 lakhs have Gujarat were Rs. 963,39 crores as been accorded sanctions by banks. at the end of Djcember 1983. The banks have also been directed to The banks have been advised to provide atleast 10% of their dispose of every application within a outstanding advances to weaker sections. period of 14 days of their receipt in While rejecting loan applications banks the branch. The banks have also bsen indicate reasons and instructions to this advised by Reserve Bank of India, to effect have already been issued to them. gear up their michinery lo ensure that As and when specific grievances are the targets set for th;m in each district brought to the notice of Reserve Bank are achieved by them within the stipul- or the Government, these arc enquired ated period. The RBI has also advised into for appropriate remedial action. its Regional Offices to follow up the matter with the banks. Income Tax Raids in Gujarat

Loans Advanced to Weaker Section by 1 550. SHRI C. D. GAMIT : Wili Buhari and Bajipura Branches of Dena Bank the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : . 1549. SHRI C. D. GAMIT : Will the Minister of FINANCE be (a) the number of income tax raids pleased to state : conducted in Gujarat daring the period from January to February, I 98^5 and the (a) the amount of loans advanced particulars of persons whose premises by Buhari and Bajipura branches of were raided and the places where such Dena Bank in Surat district in Gujarat raids were co.iductcd; . ' * to small and marginal farmers, t > agricultural labourers, rural artisans, (b) the amount of uiaccounted money educated unemployed persons. Scheduled unearthed in each case; and Catites and Scheduled Tribes during the last three years, year-wise ; (c) the details of the penal action taken agaimst the persons arrc3te<^ in

Having regard to large number of and sophisticated textile machinery, not searches, it is not practicable to give indigenously manufactured are allowed particulars of all the searches. How- for import under OGL. ever, if the Hon’ble Member desires to have information about a particular (b) and (c). Government have cons- case/search, the same can be furnished. tituted a group of Officers to go into the problems of closed/sick textile units (c) There is no provision of arrest- in Gujarat with a view to preparing ing a person iu course of searches under rehabilitation packages in respect of Income-tax Act. However, penal action, those units whi ch are capable of being including launching of prosecution is revived. On the basis of recommenda" considered in appropriate cases on the tions of the Group, rehabilitation basis of evidenco available on conclusion packages have been worked out in rcs- of investigation. pect of some of the mills. A group of Officers has also been constituted to [English] look into the problems of closed units throughout the country, including West Modernisation of Textile Units Bengal. 1551. SHRI PRIVA RANJAl^ DAS Stabilisation of Wholesale Prices MUNSI : Will the Minister of COM- MERCE AND SUPPLY be pleased to 1552. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE state : PATIL : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : (a) the proposal or plans to further modernise and refinance with diversifi- (a) the behaviour of prices (whole" cation programme of textile units in the sale) month-wise during the last two country; years;

(b) whether Government will take (b) whether the prices can besaid special pro;^ramme to save and revive to have stabilised over this period; the units of Gujarat and West Bengal; and (c) whether the benefit of the stability in prices is being enjoyed by the (c) if so, the details thereof? retailers/consumers; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) if not, the steps being taken to MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND see that the benefit percolates to the SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) bottom ? Government policy permits replacement of old and obsolatc looms and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE spindles by modern and sophisticated MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ones. The soft Loan Scheme of Indus- JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) The trial Development Bank of India is requisite data on the movement of available to the textile industry for Wholesale Price Index (WPl) are given modernisa.tioa. Certain items of modern below :

~~Wholesale Price Indexibase 1970-71 = 100)~~

~~Month (Average of Weeks) 1983*84 19 84-85 1~~

~~April 300.3 323.4 May 307.4 327.5 261 Written Answers CHArfRA 8, ldO'7 {^ \K A ) l^rltten Answers 262~~

~~1 1 3~~

~~June 309.3 334.6 July 312.9 342.7~~

~~August 317.7 346.0~~

~~September 319.1 342.2~~

~~October 318.9 342.6~~

~~November 319.3 340.8~~

~~_ December 318.7 337.3~~

~~January 322.7 338.8~~

~~February 323.2~~

~~March 322.9~~

~~Figures from February 1984 are provisional.~~

(b) and (c). It may be observed that MINES AND COAL be pleased to there has been a significant improve- state : ment in the price situation during the current financial year. The rate of in- (a) whether Geological Survey of flation in*terms of WPI has come down India has found traces of gold in the to 4.9 per cent in 1984-85 upto January hilly regions of the country; 1985, from 9.3 per cent in the corresponding period last year. The decelera- (b) if so, the details of the areas tion in wholesale prices is also getting where this has been found; and reflected at the consumer level with the All India Consumer Price Index (c) whether the find gives any indi- for Industrial Workers (batje 1960= cation of deposits which can be loo) registering an increase of only 5.4 exploited on commercial lines ? per cent in 1984-85 compared with 12.2 per cent in the same period last THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES year. AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE); (a) Yes, Sir. (d) Does not arise.

Discovery of Gold In Hilly Regions (b) Incidence of placer gold has of Country been reported in the following places of Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, 1553. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE Punjab, Haryana and Jammu and PATIL : Will the Minister of STEEL, Kashmir :

~~State Location~~

~~Jammu & Kashmir Dinga, Amb Nadi and Kethera areas of Jammu.~~

Himachal Pradesh From stream sediments of Markanda, Somb, Data and of the Yamuna. Gold values have also been found near Trilokpur is Sirmur District. 20 3 H^ritten Answers M a r c h 29, i98^ Written Answers 204

~~(1) (2)~~

~~Panjab In the sediments of Patiali Rao and Jaintia Rao rivers in Ropar district.~~

~~Haryana Near Ujjalki Majri village, Ambala district'.~~

Uttar Pradesh Between Ramnagar on the West and Ranib gh on thf East and in the Kosi River Sediment of Nanitul District. Sediments of Ramgar and its tributaries, Sone Nadi in Pauri Oarhwal and Dehradun district have also shown some gold values.

(c) The traces of gold so far found MORE : Will the Minister of are not economically significant. How- FINANCE be pleased to state : ever investigations are continuing. (a) whether the Unit Trust of India Standardisation of Wages and other has started a new Marketing Scheme to Service Corditions in Public ' Sector promote sales of its units in rural areas; and

1554. SHRI CHINTAMANI PAMI- (b) if so, the details thereof? GRAHI : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (a) whether Government are aware JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) Yes, that there is a chaotic situation prevail- Sir. The Unit Trust of India (UTI) has ing in the public sector as regards wages recently initiated a new marketing and other service conditions; and strategy to promote sales of ,ils units in rural and semiuiban areas. (b) if s o , whether Government have given any thought to standardise wages (b) The details of the new marJceting and other service conditions in the strategy relate to introduction of a public sector in the group of raunufac Project for Prcmoiion of Sale of Units turing, mining, banking other financial in Rural A:eas (PURA; by liaking up institutions, trading service organisations with the rural marketing outlets of some and taken over sick units ? companies for spreading the message of units in the semi-urban and rural areas, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE identification of all areas of the country MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI except the 221 cities with more than 1 JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) and lakh population as stmi-urban and rural (b). No, Sir. The Government does areas, higher incentive commissi.^n to not consider that chaotic situation agents for convassing business from prevails in the Public Scctor Enterprises, such areas, appointment of more agents as regards wages and service conditions. ai-Ki Chief Representatives in such areas, The wages and other service conditions and adoption of imaginative publicity are governed by wage agreements programme to create awareness about negotiated between the managements various unit schemes of the UTI in such and the unions. areas. New Marketing Scheme of Unit Trust of India Wanchoo Committee Report on Black Monty .

~~1555. PROF. RAMAKRISHNA 1556. SHRI RAM SWARUP RAM ; 205 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 (S^K ^) Written Answers 206~~

Will lha Minister of FINANCE be (first quarter 1979 prices). The cost pleased to state : estimates of the projcct were revised to Rs. 3897.28 crores (fourth quarter (a) whether the suggestions made in 1981 prices) and this was approved by the Wanchoo Committee Report on Government in 1982. The revised esti- black money have been implemented; mates of cnpi(al cost for ihe project takirg into account the revised schedule (b) if so, the extent of success achie- as well as the price escalation finco ved so far; and the fourth quarter of 1981, has not yet been finalised. (c) whether there is any need of appointing another Committee to give (b) The main reasons for the delay recommendations in the matter? are : slippages in some item»such as the erection of structures and equipment THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE leading to mis-matches in implementa- MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRl tion and constraint of resources. J\NARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) Most of the main recommendations of the (c) Cost escalation has been 21.5% Direct Taxes Enquiry Committee per annum between first quarter 1979 (Wanchoo Committee) relating to bUck and fourth quarter 1981 due to price money have been implemented. escalation, statutory levies increase, changes in scope of work etc. (b) The.legislative amendments carried out have led to better performance in Dbankuni Project of Coal India Ltd. search and seizure operations and also in generally improving the effectiveness 1558. SHRI SANAT KUMAR of the implementation of tax laws rela- MANDAL ; Will the Minister of ting to concealment of income. STEEL. MINES AND COAL be pleased to state : Cd) It is not considered necessary to appoint another Committee now to give (a) whether Government have deci- recommendations in the matter. ded about the fate of the gas from Coal India Limited’s Dhankuni project which Estimated Cost of Visakhaptnam will be available from 1986 as to whe- Steel Plant ther it should be used as town gas for domestic and industrial consumers or for 1557. SHRI RAM StVARUP RAM : some other purpose; Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES AND COAL beplaased to state ; (b) whether the Government of West Bengal has been negotiating with the (a) whether the Visakhapatnam Steel Coal Irdia Limited in this matter; and Plant originftlly estimated tb cost Rs. 2,500 crorcs is now e8ftim:alcd to (c) if so, the steps being taken to sort cost Rs. 8,000 orores at 1984 price; out the problehi over use of Dhankuni gas 'I- (b) the r easons for delay in the completion of the projeoi; and THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES AND COAL (SHRI Va SANT SATHE) : (c) the percentage of cost escalation (a) to (c). As per approved feasibility 0cr annum? report of the Dankuni Project Coal India Limited will sell gas to the West THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Bengal Goverrment through the gas CfiPARTMENT OF STEEL (SHRI distribution net work of ihe State K. NATWAR SINGH) ; (a) The ori- Government. The requirement of this ginal estimated cost for the Visakha- gas in the domegtic and industrial sec- painam Steel Plant was Rs. 2256 crores tors bas been assessed by tbeia. As it 207 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 208 stands, at present, there is no changs in Hindi Advisory Committee of his regprd to the utilisation of town gas for Ministry held during 1984; domestic ard industrial use. The State Goverrment had agreed to a gas price (b) the resolutions adopted in these on the basis of certain escalation for- meetings; and mula. However they have recently raised the issue of high price of gas (c) the details of the action taken to arising out of increase in coal price, implement them ? power cost, chemical and labour costs. The matter has been discussed in a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE meeting held on 22-1-8 5 which was also DEPARTMENT OF STEEL (SHRI attended by the representatives of State K. NATWAR SIN G H): (a) In 1984 Government. It has been agreed in the two meetings of Hindi Advisory Com- meeting that CIL and State Govern- mittee of Ministry of Steel & Mines ment will negotiate for arriving at a were held on 27-1-84 and 28-7-84 price, which should hold good for a respectively. In the Department of period of 2 years from December, 19^6. Coal, recently attached to Ministry of Steel & Mines, no meeting of Hindi [Translation] Advisory Committee was held in 1984. In 1984, Department of Coal was Meetings of Hindi Advisory Committee attached to the Ministry of Energy. on Ministry of Steel Mines and Coal (b) & (c). Information in respect of 1560. SHRI KRISHAN PRATAP important decisions taken in the mee- SINGH : Will the Minister OF STEEL, tings of Hindi Advisory Committee of MINES AND COAL be pleased to Ministry of Steel and Mines held on state : 27-1-84 and 28-7-84 is given in the attached statement. As regards Depart- (a) the number of meetings of the ment of Coal, the informatioh is ‘nil*.

~~Statement~~

~~S. No. Suggestions/Decisions Action taken~~

~~(1) (2) (3)~~

(i) It should be eusured that The appeal issued by Minister is being the implementation of the strictly enforced by the Ministry of appeal issued by the Steel and Mines in its Undertakings/ Minister (S & M) for ths Offices. Undertakings have circulated this progressive use of Hindi is appeal to all their ofBcers/employees for strictly followed by all compliance. For effective implementation Undertakings/Offices under it was dccided in the OfQcial Language the administrative control Implementation Committee that all letters of the Ministry. received in Hindi should be replied to in Hindi. The appeal has been published in the House Magazines of some of the Companies. Similarly Chairman, SAIL has also issued an appeal to the employees of SAIL. Appeal is showing positive results.

~~(ii) Two Undertakings (HCL In the Department of Mines'about 52% 9qd SA{L) arQ not ii^ivin^ original letters sent in Hindi 20^’ Written Answers CHAtTRA 8, 1907 Writter Answers 210~~

(1) (2) (3) reply in Hindi of the Section 3(3) is being fully implemented. letters received in Hindi. From 1-1-84 all letters received in Hindi Hindi should be used in are being replied so in Hindi in originating correspondence Hindustan Copper Ltd. etc. Regarding and implementation of Sec- position in SAIL, a d.o. letter was sent tion 3(3) should be ensured. to Chairman for reviewing the discre- pancies found in the implementation of Official Language Act/Rules in the Corporate Office/its units, The position has shown improvement in the u se . of Hindi. Position will further improve with the appointment of Hindi Staff in various units of SAIL.

(iii) Keeping in view the econo- All the Undertakings h?ve noted the my drive, all units may be suggestion and they have sufficient Hindi advised to get all the con- Typewriters for the present needs. Some demned Roman Typewriters Undertakings have started the work of converted intj Devnagri getting the key boards of condemned Typewriters. Roman typewriters converted into Hindi.

(iv) Action may be taken to fill Due to transfers/promotions etc. sOmo up vacant posts/creation posts are vacant in some offices of of posts connected with Central Marketing Organisation (SAIL). Hindi work in the Offices/ The reason of vacant posts in some Undertakings under the offices is the non-availability of qualified administrative control of candidates in the local employment offices the Ministry and the and the difficulties in getting ‘No vacant posts should be Objection Certificate, from the employ- filled up at the earliest. ment offices. However SAIL Head- quarters is continuing its efforts in filling the posts. Othor Undertakings under the administrative control of the Depart- ment of Steel have informed that they have initiated the action for filling the vacant posts and some posts have been filled up.

(v) Seminar on Official Some Undertakings (SAIL, NMDC) are Language may be organised organising such seminars once in a year in the Undertakings under on regular basis. In 1984 MECON and the Department of Steel. Official Language Dcpartinent jointly organised a seminar on the subject of ‘Occupational Hindi’ which was a successful effort. Other Undertakings under administrative control of the Department of Steel have assured to organise Official Language Seminars on their Foundation Days*.

~~(vi) The Ministry should start As far as Department of Steel is con- a pro^^ramme for awarding cerned, the functions for awarding of 211 Written Answifs MARCH 29, 19S 5 Written Answers 111~~

~~(1) (2) (3)~~

of Shields to its Under- Official Language Shield for the year takings for Hindi work. 1983 has already beoa organised io September, 1984. As regards Department of Mines, the matter was discussed in the Official Language Implementation Committee of the Department and the format of the Shield-award is being prepared.

(vii) Chairman and Managing In some Undertakings under the adminis- Directors should be nomi- trative control of the Department of nated as Chairman in the Steel, such as Mangnese Ore India Limi- Official Language Imple- ted, Bharat Refractories Limited, Sponge mentation Committees of Iron India Limited, MECON, MSTC and the Undertakings under the many subsidiaries of SAIL, Chairman and administrative control of Managing Directors of these Under- the Department. takings are the Chairman of the Official Language Implementation Committees from their inception. Other Undertakings have noted the suggestion for compliance.

(viii) The nomenclature of Hindi In all the Undertakings under the adminis- Officers/Translators should trative control of Department of Steel, be changed as ‘Rajbhasha the nomenclature of Hindi Officers and Adhikari’ & Rajbhasha Translators have been changed as Raj ' Sahayak’. Bhasha Adhikari and Raj Bhasha Saha- yak respectively. As regards Department of Mines, the designation of Sr. Hindi Officer of the Department has been changed as Deputy Director. In both the subordinate Offices of the Depart- ment of Mines, designations of Hindi Officers are being changed as Assistant Director. The designation of Hindi Officers/Translators, working in some of the Undertakings under the administrative control of the Department of Mines have been changed as ‘Raj Bhasha Adhikari/Raj Bhasha Sahayak*. The matter is under consideration in other Undertakings under the Department of _Mines.

(ix) ‘Hindi Day* or 'Hindi Week* With a view to create consciousness and should be organised in for accelerating the use of Hindi as Ministries/Departments of Official Language, ‘Hindi Day* was Central Government and organised in Iron ai d Steel Control their Undertakings. Organisation, Calcutta. Similarly ‘Hindi Day’ was also organised in Kudremukh Iron Ore Company Ltd. and its subsidiary at Mangalore. Sponge Iron India Ltd., is also organising 'Hindi Day* on the first day of every month. 213 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 (5/4JTi4) Written Answers 214

~~(1) (2) (3)~~

~~(x) The discrepancy^ia the pay la this regard the Official Languagt scale ofAssistant and Department has already ient a prop«ial Translator'should ' be to the IVth Pay Commission. removed.~~

~~(xi) Member of the Hindi Advi- The suggestion of the Committoe bat sory Committee should be been noted for compliancc. co-opted in the Official Language Implementation Committee.~~

Serting ap of Branches of Banks year? 1561. SHRT SOMNATH RATH: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI VIRDHI CHANDRA MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JAIN: JANARDHANA POOJARY): (a) to (c). Will the Minister of FINANCE be According to available information, pleased to state : there were 46123 branches cf commercial banks functioning in the country at (a) the number of branches of banks the end of September 1984. The banks, that have been set up in the country, in addition, were holding 5992 licences/ (State-wise and Union Territory-wise); authorisations for opening branches in the country. Statewise and Union (b) whether more number of branches Territorywise details are given in the of banks are proposed to be set up in statement attached. 1985-86; and . (c) if so, the number of new branches The branch licensing policy covering of banks proposed to be set up in diffe- the period April 1985 to March 1990 rent States during the next financial has not yet been flnnlised. Statement

~~State-whelUnton Territory-wise dtsiribution of branches of commercial banks in India as at the end of Stptember, 1984.~~

~~Sr. Name of State/ No. of branches No. of licences/authorisations No. Union Territory as on 30-9-84 pending w^lh banks as on 30-3-84~~

~~(1) 12) (3) (4^ 1. Andhra Pradesh 3551 318~~

~~2. Assam 737 190~~

~~3. Bihar 3283 635~~

~~4. Gujarat 2789 Z7§ 5. Haryana 1022 35 (S. Himachal Pradesh 501 41~~

~~1, Jammu & Kashmir # f~~

~~I^arqatat^a . 9 ia f I f f 215 Written Answers MARCH 2?, 1985 Written Answert 216~~

~~(1) (2) (3) (4)~~

~~9. Kerala 2588 115~~

~~10. Madhya Pradesh 3222 480~~

~~n . Maharashtra 4474 534~~

~~n . Manipur 51 33~~

~~13. Meghalaya 102 22~~

~~14. Nagaland 56 11~~

~~15. Orissa 1506 207~~

~~16. Punjab 1856 78~~

~~17, Rajasthan 2195 A ll~~

~~18. Sikkim 19 —~~

~~19. Tamil Nadu 3673 151~~

~~20. Tripura 89 27~~

~~21. Uttar Pradesh 5992 1134~~

~~22. West Bengal 2749 • 909 23. Andam'in & 13 2 Nicobar Islands~~

~~24. Arunachal Pradesh 39 21~~

~~25. Chandigarh 99 3~~

~~26. Dadr? & Nagar Haveli 6 — ,~~

~~27. Delhi ' 993 62~~

~~28. Ooa, Daman & Diu 258 3~~

~~29. Lakshadweep 5 —~~

~~30. Mizoram 21 24~~

~~31. Pondicherry 60 2 Total 46123 5992~~

Increase in Export to North America (a) whether there has been aa appre- and East Europe ciable increase in In ia*s export to North America and East Europe; 1562. SHRI SOMNATH RATH : Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND (b) if 80, the specific items of the SUPPLY bo pleased to state ; export; 217 Written Answers CHA1TRA6, 1901 (JSAKA) Written Answers 218

~~(c) since when exports have been case fr». m which these firms have been increased to these countries; and functioning without licence;~~

(d) the details thereof? (e) the action Government have taken or propose to take against firms as in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (c) above to prevent this un'icensed THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE mining of coke; AND SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) Yes. Sir. (f) whether a proposal to nationalise the private mining is under consi- (b) to (d). In regard to North deration of Govercment; and America, India’s exports have shown an appreciable incresse since 1983, especially to USA. The main items of export (g) if so, the criteria of compen- to USA are crude petroleum, textiles, sation proposed to be given in each case diamonds, cashew nuts, engineering as in (c) above? items and leather and leather products. The main items of export o THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES Canada are gems and jewellery, textiles, AND COAL (SHRI VASANT leather and leather products, tea, coffee, SATHE) : (a) to (g). Coke is not mined carpets, rugs and marine products. and as such the question of granting permission to mir.e coke does not 1^1 the case of East Europe there has arise. been marked growth between 1975 and 1984. The main items of export to East The Coal mines in the country were Europe are agricultural products, chemi^ nationalised in two stages. By the cals and allied products, leather and lea- Coking Coal Mines (Nationalisation) ther manufactures, textiles, engineering Act, 19 72 the cokirg coal mines and e,oods and ores and minerals. coke oven plants which were known to exist were nationalised w.c.f. 1-5-1972. Licences granted for mining of coke By the Coal Mines (Nat’onalisation) in Bihar Act, 1973, all other coal mines were rationalised on 1-5-1973. In 1976, the 1563. SHRI YOOESHW AR Coal Mines (Nationalisation) Act was PRASAD : Will the Minister of STEEL, amended terminating all the private MINES AND COAL be pleased to mining leases and prohibiting grant of state : leases in favour of persons other than those authorised by the Acts. Mining of (a) whether licences for mining of coal by unauthorised persons in viola- coke have been granted to certain firms tion of the provisions of the Act was of Bihar during the period January, made cognizable offence punishable with 1980 to 15 March, 1985; imprisonment extending to 3 years and fine extending to Rs. 20,000. In violation of the provisions of the Acts certain (b) if so, the names and addresses of persons surreptitiously indulge in illegal such firms with vr.lidity of licence in CDal mining in certain areas. As the eac case; private mining in coal is prohibited and illegal, the question of nationalisation of (c) whether cerfain firms in private such operations does not arise. Rather sector nre doing mining of coal without the coal companies and the State any appropnate licence; Governments’ law enforcing agencies take concerted punitive and preventive (d) if so, the names and addresses of action and book the offenders as and sudi firms and the exoQt date in each when detected. 219 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Wrtten Answers 220

Utilisation of Bauxite Deposits in Biliar Income Tax Officials staying for raor« thao prescribed period at Agra 1564. SHRI YOGBSHWAR PRASAD : Will the Minister of STEEL, 1565. SHRI KESHAORAO MINES AND COAL be pleased to PARDHI : Will the Minister of state : FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether in order to utilise the (a) the number of Inspecting Assistant huge deposits of bauxite available in Commissioners and Income Tax Officers, Bihar, a proposal to sot up an alumi- Group-A in the Income Tax Department nium factory at Palarau near Chandih at Agra who have remained at that was under consideration of Government; station beyond the prescribed period of maximum stay at a station; . (b) whether the proposed aluminium factory for Palamu is now being set up (b) the time by which their transfer in some other State; mas due in each case; and

(c) if answers to (a) and (b) be in (c) the reasons for non-compliance of affirmative, the reasons for dropping the Government orders in this behalf? proposal of aluminium factory in Bihar and setting it up in some other State; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (d) whether bauxite, an asset of JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) None Bihar will not be utilised in aluminium of the Assistant Commissioners of factory to be set up outside the State; Income-tax and Income-tax Officers, and Group-A have remained at Agra in violation of the guidelines governing the transfers. (e) if so, the measures to utilise bauxite for the advancement and in- (b) and (c). Docs not arise. crease in revenues of Bihar? Acute Shortage of Coins of Rs. 2 THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES and One Rupee AND COAL (SHRI V AS ANT SATHE); (n) to (e). The Bihar State Industrial 1566. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Development Corporation had in 1974 Will the Minister of FINANCE be applied for a Letter of Intent for setting pleased to state : up an aluminium project at Latehar in Bihar. The application was not approved by the Central Government as the (a) the reasons why no urgent steps Corporation had not furnished full ere being taken to meet the continuing information regarding availability of acute shortage of both notes and coins Bauxite and Power for the project. The ofRs. 2 and Re. 1 denominations; Government of Bihar was inarmed that should the Corporation come up with a (b) whether the issue of Re. 1 notes concrete proposal, it would be consi- declined from 99 million in 1979 to 27 dered on merits. No such proposal has million in 1984, without the gas being so far been received either from the filled by additional issue of coins; and Corporation or from any other agency in any other State. At present Indian (c> whether this has led to continuing Aluminium Company and Hindustan circulation of huge quantities of soiled Aluminium Corporation are getting part notes? of their requirement of Bauxite from Palamu-Ranchi Art a of Bihar, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 221 IVrit/en Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Writtten Answers 222

MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI several steps lo case the supply posi- JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) Iq tion. The steps taken so far are reflec- the context of reported shortage of both ted in the increased production of rupee notes and coins, Government have taken one and rupee two coins and notes :

~~Production (Million Pieces) 1983-84 1984-85 (11 months only)~~

~~Re. 1 Notes 206.31 434.65~~

~~Rs. 2 Notes 936.17 1,336.29~~

~~Re. 1 Coins 186.4225 236.8710~~

~~Rs. 2 Coins 97.7200 -Nil-~~

*In view of public complaints of difficulty in distinguishing easily between Re. 1 Coin and Rs. 2 coin, a new design of Rs. 2 coin is being processed. As such, production of Rs. 2 coins with existing design has been temporarily suspended.

(b) The actual circulation of one (c) the checks exercised by the Cus- rupee notes and coins increased from toms and other connected aulborities 3,193 million pieces in 197 8-79 to over the export of the human skeletons; 3,599 million pieces in 1984-85 (upto and December, 1984). (d) the action Government propose (c) As the supply of one rupee notes to take to check such gruesome trading and coins, in the rccent past has fallen in human skeletons or skulls ? short of the replacement needs of soiled one rupee notes in circulation, it is THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE possible that some soiled but rc-issuable MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND notes are continued in circulation. SUPPLY (SHRI P.A. SANGMA) : (a) Yes, Sir. Trading in Skeletons and Skulis (b) The export of human skeletons was allowed only for medical and 1567. SHRI SANAT KUMAR biological purposes. MANDAL: SHRI K. PRADHANI : (c) Export of Human Skeletons and parts thereof are allowed by the Port Will the Minister of COMMERCE Licencing Authorities on production of AND SUPPLY be pleased to state: certificates from (i) Police Authorities not below the rank of the Officer-in- (a) whether his attention has been Cbarge of the Police Station concerned drawn to the news-item captioned “The regarding the source of procurement Other Brain Drain” appeared in the Which should also i.idicatc the quantify ‘Statesman*, New Delhi of 12 March, by weight or by number, (li) The 1985; foreign buyer th^t human skeletons are required for biological and medical (b) if so, whether Government have purposes only, looked into the matter as to how this trading in human skeletons came into (d) State Governments concerned existence; have already been advised to ensure 225 Written Amwers MARCH 29, 1985 Writteu Answers 224 that no raalpraciices are allowed in this Remaining houios other facilities rcspect. as wall as installatio i of equipment are in various stages of coostruction Execution of Na LCO Project in Orissa Training of executives and non-executives has been taken up by NALCO rts as 1568. SHRI K. PRADHANI ; continuous process. Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES AND COAL be pleased to state : (b) Out of 132 tribil families displaced as a result of their land (a) the progress made so far ia the acquisition in Dim anjoii sector, execution of the National Aluminium nominees of 28 families have been Company Limited Projccl in Orissa in employed in NALCO. All the families various spheres vir., construclion of huve been p; ovided transit accomodation building, offices, staff quarters, by NAcCO. Besides, NALCO’s installation of machinery and training contractors have emp'oyed displaced of personnel, etc ; persons.

(b) the number of tribal families (c) NALCO has rot opend any displaced as a result of acquisition of school, but stipendary training schenao iheir land which have been provided has been introduced for imparting alternat sites and provided cmpolyment training in trades to nominees of in the project ; and displaced person, in batches, who will be employed after successful completion (c) the action taken to open a of their training. school for the training of local population of tribals and others is the Increase in Advances of Scheduled various trades to train them for skilled Commercial Batiks or semi-skilled jobs in the project ? 1569. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN : Will the Minister of FINANCE THE MINISTER OF STEEL, be pleased to state : MINES AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : (a) The progress of construction made upto 28-2-1985 in the (a) whether the net aggregate execution of National Aluminium advances of scheduled comercial banks Company Limited (NALCO) project in for the year 1984

(iv) Captive Power Plant 40.1% THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (v) Port'facilities 57.0% JANARDHANA P O O J A R Y) : (a) According to provisional 573 tomporary houses, 648 estimates, advances (exclusive of due permanent houses have been completed. from banks) of all Scheduled Commercial 225 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 (5i4iT/4) Written Answers 226

Banks stood at Rs. 46764 crores as at which assistance was received; the end of December 1984 as compared to that of Rs. 40280 crorcs as at the (c) whether the assistance received end of December 1983. has been fully utilised; and

(b) Advances of Scheduled (d) if so, the project-wise details there- Commercial Banks increased by Rs. of ? 6484 crores during 1984 as compared to that of Rs. 5469 crores in 1983. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (c) Growth rate of advances of JANARDHANA POOJARY), ; (a) Un- Scheduled Commercial Banks was 16.1 der a protocol signed in February 1984, per cent in 1984 as compared to that France agreed (o provide financial of 15,7 per cent in 1983. assistance of FF 602.75 million, equivalent to Rs. 78.95 crores. (d) The variation in growth rate of advances is a normal phenomenon (b) The project and purposes for and there has been an encrcase of 0.4 which funds are earmarked are shown ia percentage point growth rate in 1983 the attached statement. Reallocations over 1 983. can be effected by mutual agreement. II Aid to India from France (c) and (d). French Assistance is tied to French goods and services and 15 70. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER utilisation of the assistance depends JAtN: Will the Minister of FINANCE be upon award of contracts for French pleased to state : supplies and services, and consequent shipments of supp'ies and rendering of (a) the details of assistance received services. The mutually agreed terminal by India from France for various pro- date of contracting undfer the above jects in 1984 ; Frcnch Credit is presently 31st Docember, 1985 which can be extended (b) the details of the projects for by mutual agreement.

~~Statement~~

~~Allocations of 1984 French Assistance (FF Million)~~

~~1 2 3~~

1. Viral Vaccine Plant 102.75*

~~2. Computer manufacturing plant 120.00@~~

~~3. Coal raining equipment 55.00~~

~~4. Central Power Research Institute, Bangalore 10.00~~

~~5. Mahi river dynamics regulation ' 25.00~~

~~6. Tuna purse-senior 40.00~~

~~7. PABX manufacturing plant 25.00~~

~~8. Electronic teleprinters project Sl.OO*** 9. State compcnsatow for U.F. State Elcctricity Board 34.00 227 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Wriiien Answers 225~~

~~1 2 3~~

~~10. ICICI-Crcdil Une ■ 20.00~~

~~11. Fertilizers 10.00~~

~~12. Chemical & other products 20.00~~

~~11. Light equipment 30.00~~

~~14. PaJghat DTAX Projeoft 80.00~~

~~Total; 602.75~~

~~♦Includes FF 2.75 million as grant for preparation of detailed project report. ©Includes FF 10 million for CKD/SKD imporst~~

**Por CKD/SKD imports ;main equipment is financed under IBRD/IDA Credit.

Amount Looted by Robbers from (b) No bank employee sustained injuries NationaKsed Banks iu Badarpur and Greater Kflilash, in the dacoity at the Greater Kailash • New Delhi branch of State Bank of India.

~~1371. SHRI RAM BAHADUR (c) No, Sir. {5INOH ; Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased (o state ; (d) Does not arise.~~

(a) the total amount looted by the Improvement of Credit Diposit Ratio robbers from nationalised banks in by Nationalised Banks in Himachal Pradesh Badatpur and Oreater Kailash, New Delhi; 1572. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR : Will the Minister of (b) the number of bank employees FINANCE be pleased to state : who sustained injuries in these incidents; (a) whether the nationalised banks in (c) whether the robbers have since Himachal Pradesh have taken any concrete steps for the improvement of beeo apprehended and money looted credit deposit ration; recdvered; and

(b) if so, the nature thereof and the (d) if so, the details thereof ? exact credit-deposit ratio for each of the following brinks in the State as on 31st THE MINISTER OF STATE IN December, 1984 (i) State bank of India, THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (ii) United Commercial Bank, (iii) JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) No Punjab National Bank, (iv) Central Bank dacoity is reported to have taken place of India, (v) New Bank of India, (vi) revenlty at an bank at Badarpur. The Punjabe & Sind Bank and (vii) State amount looted from the Greater Bank of Patiala ; and New Delhi (Evening) branch of gtate Bi^nk of India was R,s. 4.18,998, (c) if not, whether any immediate 229 Written Answers CHAtTRA 8, 1907 {SAKA) Written Answers 230 steps are proposed to be taken by all or Reserve Bank of India have reported any of these banks as have not taken that credit : deposit ratio of individual any such stepj so far ? banks operating in Himachal Pradesh has not yet become available for THE MINISTEil OF STATE IN Djcembcr 1934. However, bank group- THE MINISTRY OF Fj NANCE (SHRI wise data is available only upto March JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to (c). 1984 and detail; are as follows :—

~~(Amount in Rs. laktis)~~

~~Deposits Advances C : D Ratio (%)~~

~~1. State Bank of India Group 14677 5718 39.0~~

~~2. 20-Nationalised Banks 21593 10737 49.7~~

~~3. Other Scheduled Commercial Banks (Including R.R.Bs.) 1908 787 41.3~~

~~4. All Scheduled Commercial Banks 38178 17242 45.2~~

The banks have been asked to THE MINISTER OF STATE IH take necessary steps for improving the THE DEPARTMENT OF STEEL credit deployment in the States where (SHRI K. NAT WAR SINGH) : (a) credit-d sposit ratio is low. The banks SAIL had an opening stock of 1.52 are involved in the preparation of District million tonnos of saleable as on Ciedit Plans with a view to facilitate 1*4-1983. On account of various deployment of b.ink credit in the imple- measures taken, SAIL was arble to bring mentation of development programmes. down these stocks to 0.83 million 'State Governments have also been tonnes as on 31-3-1984 thereby reducing requested to strengthen their infrast- their interest burden. ructure for deployment of large bank credit. All such measures are expected During 1983-84 SAIL had suffered a to improvi the flow of credit in loss -of Rs.2l4.53 crores, the main reasD i for this loss was that their net Htmachi I Prade^li. realisations Tcmained lower than itrcrcasea Unsold Steel Lying in Stockyards m the costs of production. of SAIL (b) and (c). SAIL are ^roseitfy J573. SHRI DHARAMVIR SINGH balding a stock of 0.64 million tono^s TYAGI : Will the Minister of STEEL, (provisional), this is neither excessive MINES AND COAL be pleased to noir is therje a glut of sted nviith staato ; SAIL. .

{a) the quantity of sted lying unsold Cbarge-Cbrome Plant at Cboudwar in Orissa in the stockyards of the Steel Authority of India Limited and the amount of losses incurred by it during 1983-84; 1574. SHRIMATI JAYAMTl PAT- NAIK : Will the Minister of jSTEEJ-i (b) whether the current steel glut in MINES AND COAL be pleased to tke public sector st ;el plants is due

(d) the steps taken to implement the Export of Oranges proposal ? 1575. SHRI ANANDA PATHAK ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND DEPARTMENT OF STEEL (SHRI K. SUPPLY be pleased to state : NATWAR SINGH) : (a) There is no proposal to set up a charge-chrome (a) names of countries to which plant by the Government. A unit has oranges are being exported; and bsen licensed in the private sector to set up a charge-chrome plant at Choud- war in Orissa for manufacture of 50,000 (b) quality of oranges exported tonnes of charge-chrome per annum. during the last three years to those countries, country-wise and year-wise (b) The firm proposes to employ 935 details thereof ? persons in the projcct when operating at full capacity. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND (c) The total capital cost of the SUPPLY (SHRI P. A. SANGMA) : (a) project is estimated at Rs. 27.38 crores. (b). The details or oranges fresh and dried exported from India from 1980-81 (d) According to information received, to 1982-83 (Nov. 1982) are given the project is under implementation. below : (Qty : In tonnes) (Val. : la Rs. lakhs)

~~Name of the 1980-81 1981-82 (Upto Nov. 19 82) 19«2- 83~~

~~country Qty. Val. Qty. Val. Qty. Val.~~

~~Bahrain 1 0.07 — — 10 0.25 Bangladesh 6994 123.55 6681 119.31 783 8.43 Kuwait 11 0.45 1 0.04 — — Nepal 12 0.62 47 2.24 1 0.0,5, Qatar 5 0.31 28 0.65 5 0.13~~

~~Portugal — — 9 0.11 — —~~

~~Seychelles 4 0.28 — — — — Singapore~~

~~United Arab 5 0.20 — — —~~

~~Emirates 56 1,96 358 13.11 215 8.17 U.K. 1 0.04 Neg. 0.05 — Other countries 1 0.02 — — 1 0.06 Total ; 7090 127.50 7124 135.51 1015 17.09 ti^rlllen Answers CHAttRA i , 190f IVrttten Answers i3 4~~

Export of Orange from West Bengal pleased to state : Via-Jalpalguri-Cooch Behar Border (a) the details of the Public Sector 1576. SHRIANANDA PATHAK : industries set up in Jammu and Kashmir Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND State during the Sixth Five Year Plan; SUPPLY be pleased to state ■ and (a) whether there is ary proposal to (b) the amount of money spent on export orange via Jalpuiguri-Cooch-Behar such industries during the said period ? border instead of Bongaigaon border as at present; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (b) whether Government are aware JANARDHANA POOJARY) ; (a) and that it will save unnecessary expenditure; (b). Presumably the Hon. Member is and referring to investment in Central public enterprises in Jammu & Kashmir, during (c) if so, the details thereof ? the Sixth Five Year Plan period. A Statement showing the details of invest- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ments hi the Central public enterprises MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND located in Jammu & Kashmir measured SUPPLY (SHRI P.A. SAn GMA) ; (a) in terras of value of gross block, capital to (c). Under the policy of exports of workin-progress and unallocated fresh fruits and vegetables, exports of expcr.dilure during construction as at oranges is freely allowed. Exports may the beginning of the Sixth Five Year take place via any of the established Plan, v/z-, as on 31-3-1980 and as on Land Customs Stations. 31-3-1984 is enclosed. The investment Public Sector Industries set up in Jammu mc.de by public enteiprises in Jiimmu and and Kashmir during Sixth Plan Kashmir State during the first four years of ihe Sixth Plan has quadrupled 1577. PROF. SAIFUDDIN S02: compared to the figure at the beginning Will the Minister of FINANCE be of the Sixth Plan.

~~Statement~~

Details of Investment in Central Public Enterprises in Jammu and Kashmir measured in terms o f value of gross Block, Capital Woik-in Progress and Unallocated Expenditure du'"ing Construction as on . 31-3-1980 flnrf 31-3-1984

~~(Rs. in lakhs)~~

~~s. No. Name of the Enterprise Amount as on 31st March 1980 ’ 1984 1 2 3 4 1. National ilydro-electric Power Corporation Ltd. . — 731~~

~~2. H.M.T. Ltd. 510 725~~

~~3. Hotel Corporation of India Ltd. 10 715~~

~~4. Indian Oil Corpn. Ltd. 105 250~~

~~5. Food Corporation of India — 153 l^rltten Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers i36~~

~~1 2 3 4 6. Indian Telephone Industries Ltd. 23 82~~

~~7. India Tourism Development Cor- poration Ltd. 47 49~~

~~8. Bharat Petroleum Corpn. Ltd. 6 41~~

~~9. Hindustan Petroleum Corpn. Ltd. 4 21~~

~~10. National Building Construction Corporation Ltd. — 40~~

~~11. Steel Authority of India Ltd. 4~~

~~12. Engineering Projects (India) Ltd. — 1~~

~~Total : 705 2812~~

Measures for Promotion of Export It will be seen that because of two of Cardamom consecutive drought years i e. 1982-83 and 1983“84, when production fell the 1578. PROF. P. J. KURIEN : Will exports have declined. During 1984-85 the Minister of COMMERCE AND 4here has been a considerable recovery SUPPLY be pleased to state : and the earnings have been higher than any time during the past 5 years. (a) whether the export of cardamom has increased bath in terms of quantity (c) The major steps for increasing as well as in earniaas during the past the export are given below— five years; (1) Iniroduation of Bchcmes like (b) if so, the detarls thereof; and cardamom replantation Loan" Cum-Subsidy scheme for increas- (c) the main export promotion ing production, so that more measures being taken to step up its cardamom Jbe available for expoT^t 7 export. THE MINISTER OF 5TATE W (2) Increasme the rate of CCS on THE MINISTRY OF COMMrERCE the cardamom export in consu" AND SUPPLY (SHRI P A. SANGMA) : mer packs of 2 Kgs. acd below (a) and (b). The exports of cardamom from 7% to 10% to make the duriog ibe five y«ars ia terms of commodity competitive in inter-

(Qty. Id tonnes) <3) PartTcipatian of the Board in (Value in Rs. crores) the selected Fairs/ExhibitjoM abroad. Year Qty. V'-lue .(4) Sending Sales-cum-Study delega- 1980-81 2345 34.70 tions abroal. 1981-82 2325 30.20 1^2-83 10S2 1637 19.83-84 258 5.44 SHM V. SOHfTAKADlREFSWARA 1984-85 1970 55.64 RAO : Sir, the entire film industry in (Hkpril-Fcb., 1585) Soatt India isfeding discriminated and let down by the Ministry of Information 2 37 Writien Answers CHAITRA 8, 1907 Written Answers 238 and Broadcasting for the failure on the PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: It is part of the Ministry in selecting not different. Sir. even a single film produced in Tamil, Telugu or Kannada or Malayalam SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : the languages for the films to be shown in Minister is going away. I wanted to USA and Franco during the India raise it when he was here. Festival week, I have given a notice of Calling Attention motion. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : You please tell me. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Facts tre being collected, I shall consider it. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Calling Attention may be admitted by you. I SHRI M. RAGUHMA REDDY : Sir, hope it will be admitted. The Govern- the rabi paddy in Andhra Pradesh has ment of Iran has requested the been harvested but the Food Corporation Government of India. They have made of India has not so far opened the an appeal for Indian doctors to be sent purchasing ccntro with the result that there to attend to. what say, the victims the farmers are resorting to distress of chemical and gas poisoning. sale.;

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER Have MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I told You given a notice ? you, I will consider it. What do you want Mr. Kabuli ? SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : I have already given SHRI ABDUL RASHID KABULI : This is reqarding the same matter. SPEAKER : I will MR. DEPUTY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Then consider it. please sit down.

PROF. SAIFUDDIN SO Z: Sir, SHRI ABDUL RASHID KABULI ; I hundreds of Indian doctors are stranded have discusscd with Mr- Speaker in Iran and despite our efforts and yesterday. He has allowed me to have efforts by other peace loving countries submission under Rule 377 om this very the war bitween Iran and Iraq is escalat- issue. ing. Parents of these doctors are very much worried. I have received several telegrams from J & K. They want MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : He has Government of India to repatriate these already given Calling Attention Notice. doctors. I have moved art adjournment I will consider it. Please sit down. motion and also given notice of a Calling Attention motion. SHRI SURESH KURUP ; rose. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : What do MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Adjourn- you want, Mr, Kurup ? ment Motion is not possible. I will consider Calling Attention. I will SHRI SURESH KURUP : I raised consider it. this matter in the zero hour. I have given Calling Attention Notice. It i Why arc all of you getting up ? Please regarding the construction of a Fivc-^ sit down. star Hotel near Bombay Sahar Inter" national Airport. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I have given a Callir.g Attention. Curiously MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER-: If you enough, it is rather the opposite of have given I will consider it. There what Mr. Soz has said. are so many things. 239 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1985 Written Answers 240

SHRI SURESH KURUP : I only MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER I have want that assurance-that it will be received your notice. considered. SHRI S . JAIPAL REDDY MR. DEPUTV SPEAKER : I have told you. It will be considered. I MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Don’t will consider your Calling Attention. record it. Nothing will goon record. Please sit down. It is an individual thing. Don’t record.

SHRI SATFUDDIN CHOWDHURY : SHRI T. BASHEER : rose. I am very ghid that you have come today in the morning. Day before MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : What do yesterday when that reference to Rajya you want ? Sabha wus mado by Prime Minister you will go through the record. What is SHRI T. BASHEER: In tody,s paper... your ruling 7 « MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : No. What MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : You do you want ? No reading of the paper comc to my chamber. without my permission.

~~SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHURY ; SHRI T. BASHEER : Only one We want ruling from you. sentence.~~

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; You MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Don’t wanted to discuss it wiih the speaker. read the paper. Without my permission I do not know wiiat is the outcome. you can’t read the paper. You come to my room. I will discuss it with you. SHRI T. BASHEER : This is regarding construction of embankment by PROF MADHU DANDAVATE : We Bangladesh along the river bed... shall bo satisfied if you keep it under {Interruptions) consideration ; we shall meet you. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I am SHRI SATFUDDIN CHOWDHURY : hearing you. Please come to the mike What is your rulirg ?. and tell me. What do you want.

SHRI T. BASHEER : This is regarding MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I have 'Construction of massive embankment already given it. Everylhing is there. by Bangladesh along our river bed in If you want to discuss, you can come violation of the pacts between India and to me. Bangladesh.’ Sir, it is a very important matter. {Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : You give notice. I will consider it. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : If you want to discuss anything, please come Now, Papers to be Laid on the to my chamber. You come to my Table. room. I will discuss with you anything that you want.

~~SHRf S. JAIPAL REDDY : rose.~~

~~rccordc4. 241 CHAITRA 8, 1907. (SMXA) Papers Laid 242~~

12.22 hrs. in laying the papers mentioned at (I) abDve. [Placed in Library, See No. Lr610/85] PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE Industrial Finance Corparation of India [English] (Payment of Gratuity to employees) Regulations, 196^; Annual Report of and Review on the Industrial Notification under Emblems and Names Development Bank of India, (Prevention of Improper use) etc. Act. 1950 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY THE MINISTRY OF PARLIA- AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI MENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI GULAM AZAD): On behalf of Shri Jar.ardhana NABl AZAD) : Oa behiilf of Rao Poojary 1 beg to lay on the Table :— Birendra Singh I b?g to lay on the Table a copy of Notification No S O 239 (E) (Hindi and English versions) published in (1) A copy of the Amendment to Industrial Corporation of India Gazette of India dated the 27lh March, (Payment of Gratuity to employees) 1985 inserting the name o f ‘'Shrimati Regulations, 1968 (Hindi and In.lira Gandhi” in item 9A of ihc English versions) regarding quantum Schedule lo ihe Emblems and Names of gratuity payable to ‘Workmen’ (Prevention of Improper Use) Act, 1950, employees uf the Corporation, issued under section 8 of the said Act. [Placed in Library. See No. i/7'609/85. under sub-section (3) of section 43 of the Industrial Finauce Corpora- Review and Annual Report of the tion Act, 1948. [Placed in Library. Hindustan Copper Limited, Calcutta . See No. LT6^\i%5\ for the year 1984-85 and Statement showing reasons for delay in laying the papers (2) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi end English versions) of the Industrial Development Bank THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES of India together with Audit AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE) ; Accounts of the General Fund I b2g to lay on the Tabic— and the Development Assistance Fund for the year ended the (1) A copy cach of the following 30th June, 1984, under sub- papers (Hindi and English versions) SLClion (5) of section 18 and sub- under sub-sf’ction (1) of sechon section (5) of section 23 of the 619A of the Companies Act, Industrial Development Bank of 1956 ladia Act, 19 64.

(i) Reviev^f by the Government od Vii) A copy of the Review (Hindi the working of the Hindustan and English versions) by the ' Copper Limited, Calcutta, for Government on the working of the year 1983-84. the Industrial Development Bank of India for the year ended (ii) Annual Report of the Hindustan the 30th June, 1984. [Placed Copper Limited, Calcutta, for in Library, See No. Z,r612/85] the year 1983-84 along with (3) (i) A copy of the Annual Report Audited Accounts and the Com- (Hindi and English versions) of ments of the Comptroller and the Industrial Finance Co.por;.- Auditor General thereon. tion of India for the year ended ihe 30th June, 19 84 along with (2) A statement (Hindi and English the statement showing the Assets yersioas) showing reasoqs for delay and Liabilities and Profit and 243 Papers Laid MARCH 29, 1985 Papers Laid 244

[Shri Oulam Nabi Azad] Comments of the Comptroller Loss Account of the Corpora- and Auditor General thereon. tion, under sub-scction (3) of section 55 of the Industrial (2) A statement (Hindi and English Finance Corporation Act, 19 48. versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the pepers mentioned at (vi) A copy of the Review (Hindi (]) above. [Placed in Library. See and English versions) by the No. LT614I85] Government on the working of Industrial Finance Corporation Notification under Central Silk Board of India for the year ended the Act. 194P; Annual Reports of and 30lh June, 198 4. [Placed in Review on the Tea Board India, etc. and Statement showing Uhrary. See No. LT6\3IS5[ reasons for delay in laying papers SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE : Sir, I have alrecidy given notice. Please THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE permit me also...... MINISTRY OR PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : We have AZAD): On behalf of Shri P.A. Sangma, already taken enough time. That is I beg to lay on the Table :— enough. (1) A copy of the Tobacco Board {Interruptions) ^ Second Amendment) Rules, 198 4 MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; Next item (Hindi and English versions) No. 6—Shri K. Natwar Singh. published in Noiification No.G S R 26 in Gazette of Ii dia dated the Review on and Annual Report of the 12th January, 198 5, under sub- Indio Iron and Steel Company section (3) of section 32 of the Limited, Calcutta for the year Tobacco Board Act, J 975. [Placed ended the 31st March, 1984 in Library. See. No. LT615IS5] and the Statement showing reasons for delay in laying these papers (2) A copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi and English THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE versions) under sub-section (3) of DEPARTMENT OF STEEL (SHRI scction 13 of the Central Silk K. NATWAR SINGH) : I beg to lay on Board Act, 19 48 :— the Table :— (i) The Central Silk Board (Amend- (l) A copy each of the following . ment) Rules, 1984 published in papers (Hindi and English versions) Notification No. G S R 141 in under sub-section (1) of section Gazette of India dated the 9th 619A of the Companies Act, 195 (5 : February, 198 5.

(i) Review by the Government on (ii) The Central Silk Board Con- the working of the Indian Iron tributory Provident Fund and Steel Company Limited, Calcutta, for the year ended the (Amendment) Rules, 198 4 31st March, 198 4. published in Notification No. G S R 142 in Gazette of India detcd the 9th February, 198 5. (ii) Annual Report of the Indian Iron and Steel Company Limited, Calcutta, for the year ended the (iii) The Central Silk Board Study 31st March, 1984, along with Leave (Amendment) Rules, 1984, Audited Accounts and the published in Notification No. 24^ Papers Laid CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Messages from Rajya Sabha 246

G SR ! 43 in Gazette of India the Export Promotion Council dated the 9th February, 198 5. for Finiihed Leather and Leather Manufactures, Kanpur, (iv) The Central Silk Board General for the year ii^83-84. Provident Fund (Amendment) Rule, 198 4 published in (6) A statement (Hindi and English Notification No. G S R 144 in versions) showing reasons for delay Gazette of India dated the 9th in laying the p.ipcrs mentioned a t February, 1985. [Placed in (5) above. [Placed in Library. . Library. See No. LT'616/85] See No. LT6i9IS5]

(3) (i) A copy of Annual Report (Hindi and English veisions) of the Tea Board India, Calcutta, 12.28 hrs. ' for the year 198 3-8 4. MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA (ii) A copy of the Annual Accounts (Hindi and English versions) of [English] the Tea Board India, Calcutta for the year 198 3-8 4 together SECRETARY-GENERAL ; Sir, I with Audit R,\)ort thereon. have to report the following messages received for Secrctary-General of (iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi Rajya Sabha : — and English versions) by the Government on the working of (i) In accordance with the provisions the Tea Board India, Calcutta, of sub-rule (6) of rule 18(5 of for the year 1983-8 4. [Placed in the Rules of Procedure and Library. See No. L r6 17/85] Conduct of Business in the Rajya Sabha, I am directed to (4) (i) A copy of the Annual Report return herewith the Appropria- (Hindi and English versions) tion (Railways) No. 3 Bill, of the Wool Research Association, 1985, which was passed by the Thane, for the year 1983-84 Lok Sabha, at i!s sitting held along with Audited Accounts. on the 20th March, 198 5, and transmitted to the Rajya Sabha (li) A copy of the Review (Hindi for its recommendations and to and English versions) by the state that this House has no Government on the working of recjmmendations to make to the the Wool Research Association. Lok Sabha in regard to the said Thane, for the year 1983-84, Bill.” [Placed in Library. See No. LT- 618/85] . (a) “In accordance with the p.^ovisions of sub-rule (6) of rule (5) (i) A copy of the Annual Report 18 0 of the Rules of Procedure (Hindi and English versions) of and Conduct of Bu>iiiess in the the Export Promotion Council Rajya Sabha I an directed to for Finished Leather and return herewith the Appropria- Leather Manufactures, Kanpur, tion (Railways) No. 4 Bill, 198 5. for the year 198 3-84 along which was passtd by the Lck with Audited Accounts. Sabha at its sitting held on the 20th March, 198 5, and (il) A copy of the Review (Hindi transmitted to the Rajya Sabha and English versions) by the for us recommendations and to Government on the working of state that this House has ao 247 Cilllng Attention to MARCH 29, 1985 Urgent Public 248 Matter of Importance

[Sccrelary-Generi'l] the Minister of Finance to the follow- reuominendations to mivke to the ing matter of urgent public importance Lok Sabhn in regard to the said and request that ho may m^ke a state- Bill/’ ment thorcon.

Uii) ‘‘In accord an with the “^Reported conliscatiqn by Custom provisions of sub-rule (fj) of rule Authorities at Bombay Airport of IS o o fth : Ru es of Proc diirc large r-mnunt of U.S. djllars and iind Cor.duct of Bu-ii icss La the ‘ Travellers Cheques intended to be R.'jya S ibh.i, I am dlrvC ed lo . deposited i a foreign banks and the Id urn hcrCwi h the Appropriii- action taken by the Government in tioi (Vot^ on Accjuat) Bill, the maUer.” 19 8 5, which was pissed by ihc Lok Sabha at its silt h:ld on THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND the 2 5th M;uch, 198 and COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI transmitted to the Rajya Subiii VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH) : f.^r its ruconimcadations and to According to reports received by the Slate that this H^use has no Governnict t, ofTicers of the A'r latelli* rocommendatio.is to make to ihe gcnce Uaif of the Customs (Prevent've) Lok Sab'.ui in regard to the s.iid Collectorato, Bombay intercepted two pass .ngcrs, namely S/Shri Chandrakanth Shivabhai Amin and Asutj-ih-Praful- (iv) ' Til accofdaiK'c with the chandra Nanavaihy on the I9ih March, provisions of Rub-rii.t;'(6) of rule 19h5, when they were leaving for Hong 18'^ of ihi^ Rules ttf Procedure, Kong by fligiit No. AT'3 16, which was imd Conduct of Business in tlvj to depart for Honi; Kong al 18.50 Rajya Sabha, f am directed lo hou.s. On suspicion, the two pasicngers return hcrcwiUi tlic Appropria- were directed to present thtir ehccked- tion (No. 3) Bill, 198S, whic’ii i.i b ig<<;a^e for Customs Lxaminaiion, was passed by I he Lok Sabha at After they identilied tlic th reo suitcases its sitthit; held on the 25lh M irch, checkcd-i i in their name, the same were 198 5, and transniittcd to the opened and examined. On eximination. Rajya Sabha f ir its recommcnda- one of the suitcases, checkcd-in in Ihc tiDHs aid to stale that thi'i name of Shri Asutosh Prafulch:indra JL>use has no rccomnie:Hlations Nanivathy was fouid to con'ain a red/ to make to the Lok Sabha in black canvas bag in which there w;',.s a regard to the said Bill.’’ large quantity of currencics consisting of :

US S — 3,04,526 (currency note) 12.2: hrs. US $ 48,900 (travellers’ [English] cheques) CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Indian currency—Rs. 500 Reported Confiscation by Custom Authoriiies at Bombay Airprrt of Total equivalent lo Rs. 46,63,850 Large amount of U.S. Dollars and Travel krs Cheques intended to Thereupon, currencies were seized in the be Deposited in Foreign Banks reasonab'e belief ihat they were attemp- ted to be smuggled out of the countiy Pih ia who had part of cor-fiscation of currency, but I handed over the currency to them and am more concerned with the type of they were simply carriers of the currency. ganging up that is taking place in this After this episode had tak:n_ pi .ce and pariicular r.fTair. It involves sra iggling on the one side the two induitrialists of currency; it involves corruption by were hauled up and some iKformation industrialists; it has alsj an espionage was ascerlal.ied from them, I would like angle; it has also an associati:in and to know whether it is a fact that incri- links with high placid politicians in minating documents were found in the Gujarat. Combined with all that, there raid that was conducted by the autho- is an overriding q’icstion of pubilc rities at Shri Mrugesh Jaikrishna’s morality find that is the reason why I re.sidcnce, and whether there was any have raised this question. evidence to show that the smuggled a> currency was sought to be carried first In this Hou^e, I may remind you, to Hong Kong and then to the Swiss Calling Attention notiec is a poweiful Bank, and whether there was any instrument in the hands of Members to evidence that the money belonged to*^* unearth and expose corruption and also the Chief Minister*'*-...(Interruptions) bring to the notice of the Minister concerned and the House certa n fi.ianci:!! PROF. K. K. TEWARY (Buxar) : transactions, as had happened in the case There is a rulling that he cannot men- of the f im:)us trust floated in Maha- rashtra, as a result of which a man in a tion names (Int nuptions) very high position h;id to be removed from the position he hud held. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : What I have observed already will apply. I Permit me to say. Sir, that with the hive already ir-formed ■ (Interruptions) issues which I rais'', I have confidence I know. I request the membors to be thut soon people responsible for those silent. crimes and trar.snctions will be out of their high political position, I have full {interruptions) confidence about it, and with full confidence and au'hority, I say this and PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I authenticate every word that I have said am not saying that it belonged to him. on the basis of the information that I Being a person of h gh morality, I do have collected. not th'nk that it belongs to him. But I mere'y want to know whether it be- It is aLeady admitted that two indus- longed, as has been r..ported somewhere, trialists, one Shri Chandrakanth to him. Being a man of high morality, Shivabhai Amin and the other Asutosh I really do not think that the money Prafulchandra Ninavathy were caught has been actually given. I want to while proceeding to the flight going to know whe«hcr the amount was given, Hong Kong and when their checkcd-up Sir, here I want to point out something luggage was taken churgo of, it was which cannot be objected to. Because, found out that foreign currcncy was this is actually what has happened, as there. They were taken charge of by an administrative measure. I am not the Customs authorities and the s;me mikir.g an allegation. I am only telling evening the industrialist, Shri MfUgesh about the adrainistrative decisions that Jaikrishna, whose name has also been have been taken and implemented. mentioned by the hon. Minister wis W hether there is a nexus or not, I leave proceeding to Ahmedab_\d by 6.00 p.m. it to (he Minister. I want to know flight. He was also taken into judicial whether the Chief Minister of Gujarat, custody and c-'rtain confessions have *^*obligcd Mr. Mrugcsh Jaikrishna, who been made. Ths two indu^irialist'i, is the Vice-President of Cricket Bo£*rd or the two representatives of the indus- of India and tue President of the **Not recorded. 253 Calling Attention to CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Urgent Public 2 54 M atter of Importance Cricket Control Board of Gujarat, in that the information was given by the constructing a new sladium near Gandhi two persons. 1 would grammatically Nagar by giving away 50 at res of land corrcct my gr; mmatically incorrect at throw-away prices. statement. He has confirmed that those two persons who were in- {Interruptions) terrogated, had actually accepted the fact that Mr. Mrugesh had given that This is no , defiimation. In Delhi when money. And who is this M ugesh ? He the AsiLd Sports were held, I have asked is the same man who constructed a the question in this House whether so stadium rear Gandhi NagJir. How did and so was given certain land •• he get the land of 50 acres ? It was given by the Chief Minister,** I only {Interruptions) want a statement of fact whether it was given. Sir, I would quote a precedent. In this very House when hotels were being {interruptions) constructed for Asiad, I had raised the question, mentioned particular names SHRI B. K. GADHAVI (Banaskantha) : and also referred to the MinistLT It is all irrelevant. It was long buck... whether he had graated permission to that particular individual to construct PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE ; So, a hotel for HIL and whether it was they have admitted that it was done, given away at a throw away price. It but long long buck--.{Interruptions) was not at rll rejected, but a very satisfactory answer according to the speaker SHRIB. K. GADHAVI : The question as well as according to the Mini .ter is whether he is entitled to relate a was given. I am simply raising an matter which is totally irrelevant. He administrative question, whether it is a is referring to a matter three years old fact that as far as Mrugesh was con- about the Gujarat Cricket Association... cerned, he was given for the stadium some land— 50 acres of land— at throw- {Interruptions) away prices. Only a statement of fact is required. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: This is important and it has got rele- SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS : It vance... is n )t at all connected. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : It Minister will reply to it. Please sit is connccted. Money is accumulated. down.

It is accepted even by the Minister. In PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : his statement, he said that two indus- Through you, I may remind him that his trialists who were carrying the currency point of order is ruled out. admitted that Mr. Mrugesh had given SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS : Is it them the money and Mrugesh when he your ruUng ? was confronted by the Customs Autho- PROF. MAD.4U DANDAVATE : rities, he has also accepted that. No. I am communicating his ruling. He SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP could not hear it properly. SINGH : I have informed, not accepted. I would now like to make an enquiry,

~~PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE ; because it is related to this problem : Th.it is all right. He has confirn[icd whether prominent Congress (I) leaders,~~

*’"Not recorded. 255 Calling Attention to MARCH 29, 1985 Urgent Public 256 M atter o f Importance [Prof. Madhu Dandavate] Shrimati Indira Gandhi responded favour- includiig four MPs , ev'e.i M L \s— and ably and persuaded with all her 1 coigratuUte them—aQd abDUt ten persuasive powers, the Chief Minister*^*' district Coig^'ess proudeits wrote to to dissociate her name from the stadium, former Prims Mi^iister Shrimvti Indira and give it any other name ? Gandhi about the qujstionable relationship b;tw :ei th'. C ii-f Mi.ilstar**" and I would like to know from the hon. Murge>h, and warnad thit the Indira Finance Mi.iister : who forced the public Stadium might oi^ day prove as harm- sector organizations in Gujarat to be- ful as th3 IiJira Gandhi Pratibha come Life Members of the Gujarat Pratishthan floated b/ Mr. A R. Antulay. Cricket Control B jard, of which Mr. {interrupthn) IF th;y challenge, I will Mrugesh who has been arrested \vas the produce th; letter, Sir. Bat thit will Vice-President ? All pub'ic sector embarrass the Congresj mimbers. I will organizations. You will be surprised to produce lb's letters. know which are the organizations which joined as Life Members—even the That industrialist wanted the stadium Slum Clearance Organization joini.d the to bo called as Indira Gandhi Stadium Cricket Control Board I do not know or Indira Stadium whether they wanted to play crickrt, or they wanted to build.... SHRl B. K GADHAVI ; It is called Gujarat Stadium. SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS : What is your thinking ? PROF. MADAU DANDAVATE : No; he wanted it to be called as Indira PROF. MADHU DANDATE : My Gandhi Stadium. I am congratulating thiaking will not b2 palatable to you. you. You friends told the late Prime Minister : “ Don’t get trapped into the trap of Mrugesh”, I am congratulating SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS them. {Interruptions) What I am telling MUNSI (Howrah): For Mr. Dardavate’s is that 4 MPs., 7 MLAs. and 10 district information, Congress presidents went to Mrs Indira Gandhi and told here : ‘'Mrugcsh wants ilnterruptlons)'^* the stadium to be called Indira Stadium. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Mr. Das Please don’t listen to the Chief Munsi, what you have said will rot go Minister*’* That will be another episode on record because you have not given of Indira Gandhi Pratibha Pratishthan. the Calling Attention motion. He has We would warn you not to do it.” I given it. He is speaking on it. congratulate the former Piime Minister, Mrs. Indiia Gandhi. She openly declared: ‘I do not want my name to be given to PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : this stadium. It will not be called as I am Very sorry. I thought be rose on Indira Stadium. You can cill it by any a paint of order. That was why I sat. other name.’ As m/ colleague rightly said, it is called G'ljarat Sradium . Long SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS live Gujarat’. 1 have no quarrel with it. MUNSI : We want to help and cooperate in the House. In a letter addressed to Shrimati Indira Gandhi in the middle of MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER; The November 1982—take note of the cooperation is welcome. month; if they want the date, I Will be prepared to give it— did they not say PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : that they would leave the party if the Chief Minister’s conduct in this regard Is il a fact that there is a close relation- was not controlled ? Is it not a fact that ship between the Chief Minister** and

Wot recorded. 257 Calling Attenlhn to CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Urgent Public 258 M atter o f Importance the entire business, industrial and family Within a couple of days of this circlcs of Jaikrishna? it a fact? Is This is benefit from** I wou’d like to know a very important administrative mxtter. whether Mrugesh Jaikrishna had gone to There is no guesiion of defamation. Is it a Switzerland. fact that about 1 6 tcxtils in Ahmcdabad closed down during the l^st two years ? Now I would like to refer to a Sixteen textile mills closed down. It High Court case, a crimmal case filed is not defamation against anybody. It by Jaikrishna against their cashier for is really defamation against the misapprropiation of fund'^, because their unemployed workers. Sixteen textile derJs were fourd to be shady. It w e r e closcd down, and the Relief Act always happens that in a bank if some was invoked, what is the purpose of person in i high authority is found to the Relief Act ? be guilty of a fraud, he places the How was the patronage through entire blame on a peon that is standing Relief Act given by ihc Chief at the entrance of his building or some Minister to this great industrialist who is clerk or Head clerk. So, in the criminal cought in the trap now ? The Relief Act case filed by Jaikrishna against their which gives protection to an undertaking cashicr for misappropriation of funds, and prevents creditors from recovering what was the judgment that was given dues was extended, out of 16 textile by the Gujarat High C».iurt ? They did mills, with were closcd down, it was not accept the contention of Jaikrishna extended, the Relief Act was extended f. mily that all the fraud and misappro- only to ore mill in Ahmedabad. priation was due to their employees and {Interruptions) My friend is a trade they quoted Sherlok Holmes. It adds a little tinge to (his particular calling unionist. He should join me. attention. Quoting Sherlok Holmes, {Interruptions) the Gujarat High Court says : MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I do not like members to go on talking like this. “When the theft is committed at {Interruptions) night and the watch-dugs do not bark, the reason is that the PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : owner himself is the chief.” Out of 1 6 textile mills that were closed two years back, only in the case of one mill in Ahmedabad and that is This is the quotation from Sherlok Saharargpur Cotton Mill No. 2, the Holmes ; and I admire the literary Mill under the management of Irdian ingenuity of the High Court Jaikrishna family, was given the Jud;|e who rightly quoted. Is not the benefit of Ralief Act. If this Relief management responsible for this Act. was applied in a spirit of misappropriation of fund ? Was it not compassion we have no objection. But, done for their benefit and did they not what are the economic consequences? amass woalth through this misappro- From where did this business magnate priation ? get money to be sailed through his fnond to Hong Kong by the benefit of this law; and Jaikrishna family saved Jaikrishna Hari Vallabhdas continued Rs. 2 crorcs by denying creditors their as Chairman of the Gujarat State Fertilizer Corporation only because of^ right to recover their dues because once this Act is extended to a particular the patronage given by the Chief Minister**. Otherwise, he wou d not undertakii'vg, if creditors approach have contiriUed. them and ask for the return of the credit^ they can say, that according to the Relief Act, I am completely exem- SHRI B. K. GADAHAVI : He WE5 pted from all these obligations.’ So, they appointed by the Janata Party Govern- were able to save Rs. 2 crores. ment, for your information.

** Not recorded, 259 Calling Attention to MARCH 29, 198 5 Urgent Public 260 Matter of Importance PROF MADHU DANDAVATE : No. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Please Action agair.st Mrugcsh and his wife; sit down. Professor, you are telling After the seizure of foreign currency on particularly regarding some Congress (I) 19ih March, I am rcfering to this MLAs. Are you having any conten- incident. Is it not a fact that Mnigesh tion ? Jaikrishna who was Director of Gujarat Industrial Investment Corporation and {Interruptions) Gujarat Tyres Limited wjs removed from these posts on 31st March 1981 ? PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : They had accepted the bonafide case They have not bccome MLAs. I would and allegation. Otherwise, they would raise a technical point. If I refer to have been rcm.wed from the post. They MLAs you can object. At the time at have said, “ We arc awaiting a full in- which they w^re g’ven the money they vestigation” . But 1 know, with all were not MLAs; they were candidates. the elementary legal knowledge at my {Interruptions) I am not referring to command, I can tell you, that whenever MLAs. I am referring to candidates. certain matters are being investigated, They were pure and simple candidates. if there is a prima facie cf.se, some quick action is taken, and therefore, he {Interruptions) was removed from both the posts. Was not his wife, M 'S. Parul Mrugesh MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I will who was the Director of Guj.irat go through the proceedings. Please sit Tourism Corporation,also removed from down. I will go through the proceedings. her post on the 31st March 1985 ? {Interruptions)

And now, I would like to know SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : He further whether the repoit that Congress is establishing the link with the Chief (I) funds were kept with Mrugcsh for Minister**' and the party in power. distribution to candidates— corrcct, or it might be wrong — whether 65 Congress (Interruptions ) (I) candid ites (and if the time comes I will produce the list of those 65 MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I am Congress (I) candidates), whether these teHing the House that I will go through 65 Congress (1) candidates. Assembly the proceedings; whatever is not correct candidates were given about Rs. 10 I will not allow....I will expunge it. lakhs from Mrugesh’s residence. So, the distribution was conducted from {Interruptions) his house. I would like to know the position. I have full confidence, having MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : What- placed before the House all llie infor- ever is not relevant, if here is anything mation... against the rules, I shall go through the SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS record. MUNSI : How can the legislators or {Interruptions) Congress (I) candidates, whoever it is come into this matter ? That is the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I will position. This is not the way... go through the proceedings. All of you {Interruptions) please sit down. Please sit down. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN (Badagara) : He is telling the parti- SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS culars {Interruptions) MUNSI : I raise a point of order.

^*Not recorded. 2^1 Catling Attention to CHAITRA 8, \ 901 is AKA) Urgent Public 262 ' M atter o f Importance whether in any matter in this House to establish is the complicity of the any allegation in the nature of defama- Chief Minister.*** tion against any legislator of any State Assembly can be there. Can any allega- {Interruptions) tions against the candidates of any recognised political parlies be refcned MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : That I to in the discussion in the House ? have aheady ruled out. No point of order Please sit down. {Interruptions) MR. DEPUTV SPEAKER : I will go through the proceedings. If there is SHRI AJITSINH DABHI (Kaira) : anything aganinst the ru'.es I will When Mr. Munsi was speaking, you expunge it. I assure you. s;iid that he had not given the notice so far as the Calling Attention was {Interruptions) concerned and you did not allow him to speak. Now you are allowing Mr. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I will Unnikrishnan. go through the proceedings. MR. DEPUTY s p e a k e r : Ha has SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN ; I raised a point of order which I have am on a point of oid,r. Rule 353 ruled out. I have ruled out your point really says that any allegation of a of order. defamatory or incriminatory nature against a person requires intimation. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Congratulations for ruling out the point PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE ; of order. All that 1 want to tell you is that 1 will take care of the rules... I have given. {Interruptions) Doctor, will you listen to the patient ? Be more kind.** SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : As far as the 'pe son’ conncci:ed referred to, {Interruptions) a ‘person’ is a legally different term. About ‘person’ referred to, I am sure, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I will he must have j^tven intimation. Now, not allow. Let him finish. No point today he has referred to a group of of order. Too much time is taken. persons. He i? not idsn'jfyiaj X, Y, Z. Nothirg will go on record.

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS SHRI SOMNATH RATH (Aska) : MUNSI : It is noi ..{Interruptions) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I raise on a point of order I invite your attention to rule 197. It says that there shall be SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : I no debate on such statement at the time will quote five precedents, Mr. Das it is made but eacH member in whoso Munsi. name the item stards in the list of {Interruptions) business may, with the permission of the Speaker, ask a question. That is what is stated in the rule. As such MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; This is can thjre be a debate ? I am rising not the way of CDnducting the proceed- on a point of order bccause this ings. You have to address ms; do not rule has be^n infringed. The address oihQx:^...{Interruptiotis) point of order is always with respect to the rules if they ate in- SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : Therefore, it is perfectly valid for him fringed. This lime rule 197. haa been bccause it is relevant. What ho wants infringed by allowing the hon. Member

*'*Expunged as ordered by the Chair. •**Not recorded. wara) Whatever the hon. Member Prof, Dandavate has spoken is irrelevant and should not go on record...

~~{interrptions)~~

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I won’t PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : For allow this kind of discussions. As the Ust 25 years we have been ;icc:ptin" regards your Point of Order, I ask the the Member’s right to m ike submissiovis Professor to put the question. even on Calling AUeni ion. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Sir, (Interrupi'ons) if you check the rccord, every tin e I have been using the words ‘is it a fact’, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Please ‘does he :'gree’, 'will he g've us the conclude and put the question. informatiaa’. Deliberately I have been pMtting question marks in order to {Interruptions) fulfil the techniealitii's. I know the rules better than what the hon. Member PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I kr.ows. I will make only one c’arifioa- wi'l inkc cnly one minute. If I speak tion. While referring to the 65 persons, wiih thiv throat, tho3c of u^ who speak will dcvL'lcip cai cer of the throat and I have deliberately not said ‘65 MLAs’ because at the time at which they had (hose who listen to U’> will develop eancer of the ear. iliiierrupfions) received the money, they had hot become MLAs at all :incl, therefore, the question of MLA-ship does not SHRI SOMNATH RATH : When I arise. I have not refened to MLAs, I am rising on a point of o:d

SHRI SOMNATH RATH: I raised {Interruptions) this point c f order. Please give a rui' ir.g. I w?nt a ruling from you whether MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : No, no, allowing the hon Member (o speak for you cannot speak. I won’t allow. such a lorg tim? ard makirg it a debate Please sil d^wn, the Minister is alreiidy does not infrir ge ru^e 197. My second point fcr lultng is whether the conven- on his legs... tion shou’d prevail upon the rule...

{Interruptions) 26 5 Catling Attention to CMAITRA 8, 190t i s AKA) Urgent Public 266 M atter o f Importance Instead of expunging my remark,’ Mrugesh Jaikrishna; the residence of expunge Mr. Vyas’s remarks. Shri Deep,ik Ambalrl Shah, an employee of Shri Mrug sh Jaikrishna; and the residence of Shri Prashart Naik SHRI VISHVVANATH PRATAP an employee of Shri Mru^osh Jaikrishna. SINGH : In this stadium of the Hous«f, Prof. Dandavate wab making a marathon The cupboards were also scaled because Mr. Mrugesh was under custody. So, race of his {.Interruptions). by this, you will see that the Government has spared no cflForts, mado no PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : compromise at any time. I can assure These are Ci'llcd compound questions. the House, as Pcof. Djindavate s;iid, that wc will pursue this investigation SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP and action to its logical conclusion and SINGH : I was just awaiiing when he will not step at any connection, high wouM farmulate the questions. He or low, whatever it may be. farmulaled one question in the beginning and one at the end. In between As for his corn^ction, and imputation he was supposedly givirg lot of ijifoim?^- that there have been connect'ons, I (Interruptions). have no information with me at the me ment. I am told that Shri Mrugesh PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE ; was in the GFT during the Janata Well b:gun is half dore. All is well period also, but it is irrelevant. When that ends well. we prosecutc a person under a law, for the violation of the law, the violation SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP of the Direct Taxes Act, the violation of SINGH ; The first question he has the Customs Act, even in that, what raised is whether searches were made violations are there, we have taken and, if so, what has been the progress. action and on, what will be vi.)lative it, Before I say rnything, I must compli- we will surely take action. Now whether ment the alertness of the Customs Officer he has J;inata p>rty conncclior. or et the airport. Hedeseives all crcdit Communist Party connection or Congress and we are even thinking of rewarding Party connection is irrelevant, so far as him for his a.[cT\ncss.. .{Interruptions). the criminal prosecution is concerned. That is all 1 have to ray. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Part of the reward pass on to me. Sir. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Hon. Minister, only one clarification. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP I want to J>sk only one question, whether SINGH : And I think it is a" very high the father of Shri Mrugesh Jaikri^han, sense of duty that he has show.i. There Shri Hari Vallbhdas, was the Chairman was full follow-up action after this and of Messrs. S M. L. Mancklal & the Erifcrcement DireCorate scaiched Company, whose Director, Shri the pr emises of the office of M/s. Ambika Yogesh Mancklal and employee, Shri Mills, Cuff Paiidc, Bonibay; Sky Jet Coomar Narain, were the principal Aviation owned by Mrs. Mrugesh accustd in an espionage case, in which Jaikrishna; the Guest House at Worli, the staff of the Prime Minister’s Bombay, in occi paiion of Mrs. Mrugesh Secretariat arc involved. Kindly give Jaikrishna. Apart from th Customs me that information. This is a very and Enforcement Directorates, the important espiomag; angle. I would Income-tax authorities also searched like him to clarify that point. M/s. Ambika Mills Ltd. in which Shri Mrugesh Jaikrishna is the Manrging SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP Director; Sky Jet Aviation in which SINGH : Our investigation shows that Shrimati Parulben Miugesh Jaikrishna Shri Hari ValLibhdas was a Director is the Chairman; the residence of Shri of S. L. M. Maneklal Industries Limited. Calling Attention to m a r c h 29, 198^ Urgent Public 2 68 M atter of Importance [Shri Somnath Rath] If you look ai the points raised by the hon. Professor, y-u v\ill find that But we havs rot got any information of the hon. Minister has repJ^d to only his connection with espion:igc so far. one point while the others have been left untouchcd. For example, a point PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Was he a Director of the same company was raised about the construc ioa of a stadium by the Cricket Contrjl Bjard involved in the espionage case? near Gandhi N.igar. He said that the land for the stadium was givon to SHRT VISliWANATH PRATAP Yogesh. The person occupying the SINGH I have alieady told you that. highest post in Gujarat had given thj land. The Minister h?s not touchcd [ Translation J this poiat as to why and how the land was given. SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINGH (ChhP.pra) ; Mr. D ;puty Speaker, Sir, the issues of smuggling and espionage The Professor referred to the activities h. ve bc'cn discussed 16 textile mills in AhmcdabaU and guite often. Such incidents arc being according to him oaly one mill was reported daily in the newspapM's and in given the benefit of the relief aid by the this House also these things arc raised Government. On account of this but unless you go deep into tho matter conccssion, the mill owner was benefited and unless you punish the offenders to'the tunc of Rs. 2 crores with which severely under the law, these things he is running his own busiuess. The will go on happening. hon. Minister ha^i not revealed the name of the owner of the Mill to which the I agree that nubjdy can cscape the concession was given and he h^s also long arm of the l iw, it d,)cs not m.ike not told us why the aid was given only much dlff:roace bcc.inso you can punish to one mill The hon. Minister has the guilty oily whe.i the authorities alsj not revealed tii5 identity of the CDnc^rnid with the enforcement cf thj persoa who was involved in smuggling. law ha\e the Ijng arm, that is to say, He his left this point also uitouchcd fu'l powers. Actually, the peop'.e thit the peopie of Gujarat, the Chairmen entrusted with the cnfjrcemont of the of the District Councils of the Congress law do not h:\ve adequate powers, ard Party, the legislafons and the Members that is why the guilty person goes scot- of Parliament belonging to that State free. The incident under discussion is had given in writing to the then Prime not an isolated one, Su-h incidents occur Minister, late Smt. Indira Gandhi, that daily. Unless you consider this issue the then ^*Chief Minis!:cr** was in seriously, the country cannot be rid of collusion with Mrugesh. Yogesh and such evih. that if she wanted her name to be associated with this s'adium, then that Today, persons committing crime in would become another Antueay scandal. the country can be divided into two The Minister hiis not made any categories— the persons in the first clarification even in this regard. If you Category take to crime f:>r earning their really want that such people, who livelihood and the persons in the other encourage wrongful activities and the citegory take to c.ime to lead ‘five star’ culture, shjuld bs punished, luxurious life and to h^ve the benefit then you must reply to all these of the ‘five stai’ culture. If the persons questions and tell us whether a very in the second category are apprehended important person of Guj-irat to whom the but they cscape the clutches of the law, responsibility for the protection of the then tho inference is that the lives and the prop;riy of the crores of Government want to encou age that pjGple of Gujarat has been entrusted culture. by the people, is in collusion with the

rccordccf. 269 Calling Attention to CHAITRA 8, 1907 (,SAKA) Urgent Piihlic 270 M atter o f Importance capitalisis. You must get it investigaU'd a firm grip. You have said about the if you want to dispel iiiiy doubts in the collusion, the exile of Sita, and all that, minds of the people and if after investigation that person is found guilty, but rest assured there is no scope for on leniency should be shown to him. escapc under the FERA. and !he direct But if you let off that person by tax laws and if any one is hooked under avoiding the taking of action on one those laws, he shall not be spared. The pretext or the other, then you cannot dispel the doub'.s in the peopUs^ Government can and shall act under minds. . these laws.

This House, where we arc sitting, is the highest court of the people and if SHRI ZAINUL BASHER n doubt is crealcd in the minds of the (Ghazipur) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, people that we also indulge in Sir, first of all, I congratulate the hon. fnvouritism, then the country cannot Finance Minister under whose strict progress. I want to narrate the story o.ders the action to apprehend the of King Rama here. Although he offenders has been initiated. So far as was above the law- of the land, yet lo this particular ir.cidtnt is conccrncd, dispel the misgivings in the minds of there is nothing spccial about it. the people, he sent his wife, Sita to Currency has been seized, certain exile. Though that was a black persons have been arrested and have act according to me, yet Rama been sent to jail and legal action is rising above his peisonal considerations, being taken against them. But just now, sent Sita to exile. But today allega- a respccted opposition leader, Prof. tions are made the against the person in Madhu Dand.ivate, has tried to give it a power that they indulge in favouritism political colour and it seems, because of in the enfo/cemcni of the law. If you this politicking, the importance of this want that such allegations are not made Calling Attention Motion has been against you, if you want that there reduced. Otherwise, these ?re routine should be no misunderstanding in the matters that persons arc caught by mind; of tlis pjople about you, then Customs Officers and sent to j.iil and you must try to reply to the questions legal action is taken against them. raised by professor Madhu Dand-ivato The long speech of Prof. Dandavate and assure the House that howsoever related m jre to the **Chief Minister big a person night be, whether he is the and less to this incident. I do not Chief Minister of any State or a Central know he was so much annoyed with the Minister, Member of Parliament or **Chief Minister and why he is so Legislator if he breaks the law, indulges irritated with him. It is the **Chief in smuggling or violates laws concern- Minister who hdd to bear the brunt of ing customs duty, action shall bo taken all his angjr. There cannot be two against him and he shall be given the opinions that our Prime Minister as seve rest punishment. well as our Government ore commilttd to provide cle:;n politics arvd cluan SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP public life. If a person, howsoever big SINGH . So far as the question of hemay be, does a wrong, he should not somebody going scjt-froe, ia spite of be spared, whether he is Gujarat Chief the long arm of the law, is concerned, Minister or Karnataka Chief Mii\istcr or the hon. Member has been able to anybody else. Old order should change deliver such a lengthy speech only after now. During the Janata Purty regime. we have apprehended the culprits, not Prof. Dandavate was a Minister, why before that. Therefore, the long arm did he not show morality at that which has app ehendcd the guilty has time ? *♦Hot recorded. 271 Calling Attention to MARCH 29, 1985 Urgent Public 272 Matter o f Importance [English] ' SHRI ZAINUL BASHER : But you were a Minister, when this incident took SHRl S. JAIPAL REDDY : I am on Place. At that time, a Chief Minister a point of order. He has to put the of a State had deposited Rs. 50 lakhs in questioti. ■ Nepal and the helicopter or the State plane used for the purpose was seized. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; He is What action did Shri Dandavate take at putting the question. Mr. Basher, that time ? These thing were published please put the question. in the newspapers. Th's is an open thing and everything is clear. Perhaps that Chief Minister is now no longer SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP ? member of that Party but at that SINGH : He is talking in the same way time he was a Member of the Janata as Prof. Dandavate talked. Party.

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY Similarly, many points were raised (Mahbubnngar) ; He is referring to regarding the activities of the son of what Mr. Dandavatc has said. He is the then Prime Minister (Janata Party not seeking any clavification from the Prime Minister) and investij^ations were Minister. also made and a charter of allegations was also submitted in Rajya Sabha- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER There is no point of order. (Interruptians)

[ English] SHRI ZAINUL BASHER : I am entitled to take as much time as Prof. Madhu Dandavate has taken. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : I am on a point of order. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : He should be given more time, Sir. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : What is this ? Don’t disturb. There is no point MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : You of order. Please sit dowii. You can’t put everything in the form of a go on interrupting the Member Like question. th's. SHRI ZAINUL BASHER : Thank you very n.uch. Sir. But this is not the SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY He is way. {fnten uptions). always referring to Dandavateji.

[Translation] {Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; Please At the time when Dandavate was a sit down. Your point of order is ruled Minister in the Janata Government, a out. I ruled out your point of order. Chief Minister of a State had sent That is all. money to Nepal to be deposited in his accouit; where was morality at that [Tramlation] time ? I do not want to name anyb^'dy. This incident is known to everyone SHRI ZAINUL BASHER : One who that the Janata Party Chief Minister of a lives in a glass house, should not throw State.,. • {Interruptions) stone* at others. . Do not forget it.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I A charter of allegations was submitted. know only this much that I was not Had Shri Madhu Dandavate resigned involved in PH that, he would Jiavo becooje a hero, 273 Colling Attention to [CHAITRA 8, 1907 Urgent Public TIA M atter o f Importance he would have earned a great name. this case is concerned, it was said that But, he did not do so. two persons had already been arrested.

{Englishi SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN ; I tell you, have you forgotten Vaidyalio- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I gam Commission ? cannot resign with retrospective effect now. SHRI ZAINUL BASHER : In the first instance, Shri Chandrakant Shiv- [,Translation'\ bhai Amin and Shri Nanavati were arrested. Both of them disclosid that SHRIZAINUL BASHER : There- money belonged to Shri Mrugesh. Shri after, gold was auctioned' during the Mrugesh was also arrested. I want to Janata rule. GoM Control [Enquiry ask the hon. Minister whether Shri Commission was set up. It held an Mrugesh had said or not that the money inquiry into that. belonged to the Chief Minister of ? On being interrogated, both of them [EnglisH] disclosed the third name and revealed that they were carrying his money. Was the third person arres ed and on being SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : What interrogated did he say that the money is this, Mr. Deputy Speaker ? belonged to the Chief Minister of ** and that they were going to deposit MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Is any- the money some-where ? In case he thing objectionable ? did not say so but he said that tha money belonged to him, how did it SHRI SURESH KURUP : Is this affect the Chief Minister of **. If he allowed in the call attention motion ? has said that the money belonged to the Chief Minister... SHRI JAINUL BASHER : Some day, you will also have your call attention. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : Don’t forget it. You wil' give a chance.

SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : We SHRI ZAINUL BASHER : In case must have all this right. I agree with they have disclosed that the money you. {Interruptions). was given to them by the Chief Minister of**for carrying it. Then I would request MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : He is the hon. Minister not to repeat what on his legs. Why are you interrupting was done by the Janata Party to save him ? Please* sit down. their Chief Minister, who had secretly deposited Rs. 50 lakhs. If such a thing SHRI 2AINUL BASHER : When has happened, action should be taken Dandavate Saheb was speaking, why against the Chief Minister. There are did you not argue in this manner ? no two opinions about it. Our Govern- ment have promised the people a {Translation’] • clean administration. Therefore, who soever he may be, even if he is the The report of the Oold Control Chief Minister of any State, he should Inquiry Commission was discussed in not be spared. In this particular case, this very House last time. Where was the hon. Minister will tell us whether his morality at that time ? So far as it was said or not.

'*‘*Npt |:ecorde<|. 275 Colling Attention to MARCH 29, 1985 Urgent Public 276 Matter of Importance So far as his connections are con- Prof. Madhu Dandavate may enquire cerned, he has connections with the about it. Perhaps one of them may Chief Minister and so the money could be in the Janata Party. He should belong to him. Shri Madhu Dandavate find out by writing to their Gujarat also knows it, he is also in polilics Unit. When people join the Congress and so am I. Many people come to us or the R.S.S., some may be in the and similarly many people also come Janata Party also. to meet him. If soma theft is detected, it can be construed that the person So far as the question of constructing concerned used to visit Shri Danda- the stadium is concerned, this stadium vate and so he might be carrying is not his personal property. This is a Shri Dandavate’s money. public property. Even test matches were played there; you may give it PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE ; I any name. This is a good work. Any- do not have anything to carry* body can do it, donations can be collccted anywhere, there is nothing objectionable about it. Everything is SHRI ZAINUL BASHER ; They do going on well. So far as this case is not visit my place. concerned, investigations are going on and I hope the hon. Finance Minister [English] wold spare none. Prof. Madhu Danda- vate has tried to politicize this Calling PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Attention. I condemn it. It has because One thief came to my house and he his habit always to find out from the abused me that I had nothing to be newspapers whojis friendly to whom. stolen. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : SHRI ZAINUL BASHER Danda- What is your opinion about my spcech ? vate Sahcb, at least you have got a pistol, take pistol. SHRI ZAINUL BASHER : I am replying to that. Your speech was PROF. MADHU I^DANDAVATE : armed at only giving this case a politi- That was borrowed from S.H.O. cal colour and not at assisting there proceedings. Had you wanted to assists and had you any definite infor- [Translation] mation with you, you would have quietly informed the hon. Minister of SHRI ZAINUL BASHER : In this Finance instead of raising it here ia very House, you had shown that you this manner. Then only I would have had a pistol. It is a very dangerous been convinced that you did a good thing. You are keeping a pistol. I f jok. It is I ot good to throw political that illegal weapon is caught and mud in this way. somebody says th?t it belongs to Shri Dandavate, action should be taken SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP against you. Therefore, the thing is SINGH : I fully agree with the hon. not like-that. If the Chief Minister Member that politics should not be is guilty, action should be taken against brought into this question. Politics him. The wife of Shri Mrugesh, whose should neither be brought into the name perhaps is Parul Mrugesh, has a question nor into the proceedirgs. He conncciions with R.S.S. She attends has also said that his wife had links the R.S.S. functions as the Chief with the R.S.S. or a Chief Minister Guest. Therefore, she is pro-R.S.S. went to Nepal or he mentioned the It is just possible that one of his name of the son of a former Prime brothers or relatives may be in the Minister— in my opinion, these questions Janata Party. pe^d npt te answered* 277 Statement Re : Constitution C H kttRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Matter Under 2t8 of Wage Boards for Rule 377 Working Journalists and Non-Journalist Newspaper Employees

So far as the statement of Shri and February, 1976 respectively, irt Mrugesh is ooncerncd, when he was view of the dif?iculties experienced m questioned whose money that was, he the functioning of these Wage Boards^ said that the money was his own, and Government decided to amend the Act this currency was purchased by him of 1955 providing for replacement of through two persons, Deepak Shah Wage Boards by one man Tribunals and and Prashant Nayak. Of these two, accordingly this Act was amended in Deepak Shah has been arrested. He 1979. The Tribunals submitted their did not say that the money belonged to recommendations to Government in the Chief Minister. August 1980 and subject to certain modifications their recommendations {English] have been acccpted by Government as notified in December, 1980. SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTA (Ahmedabad) : Now that the Finance Goverrment have been receiving Minister has stated that the statement persistent requests for constitution of of Mr. Mrugesh does not involve the new Wage Boards both for workini* Chief Minister of will Prof. Danda- journalists and non-journalists news- vate withdraw the ins iuations made by paper empl »yees. Accordinaly, it has him against the C'\ief Minister ? been decided to set up fresh Wage Boards for the purpose. We are now PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I in the process of constituting thes*: shall not withdraw a single word. I Wage Boards. I want to take this will be prepared to prove every word opportunity to apeal to all the represen- that I have uttered on the floor of the tatives of the working journalists and House. non-journalists employees as well as the managements of the newspaper establishments to extend their co-opera- tiop to Government so that the reports STATEMENT RE : CONSTITUTION of the Boards can b: finalised early OF WAGE BOARDS FOR WORKING and the'T recommendations considered JOURNALISTS AND NON-JOURNA- for implementation. LIST NEWSPAPER EMPLOYEES

{English] 13.32 hrs. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF {English] THE MINISTRY OF LABOUR (SHRI T. ANJIAH) : Hon. Members are MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Shri aware that the first Wage Board for Khursheed Alam Khan will make a Workitig Journalists under the Working statement on Shri Larka at 2.00 P.M. Journalists (Conditions of Service) and Now Matters under Rule 377. Miscellaneous Provisions Act, 1955 was headed by Mr. Justice Divetiya whose MATTER UNDER RULE 377 decisions were published in May, 1958, The Second Wage Board for working {Translation] journalists was constituted in 1963 (i) Need to allocate adequate funds headed by Mr. Justice Shinde and the for vaccinaton of children against majority of its recommendations were various diseases accepted by Government in 1967. The Second Wage Board for non-journalists SHRIMATI MADHURI SINGH and the Third Wage Board for working (Purnea) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, journalists were set up in June, 1975 I am speaking under rule 377. *'*‘Not recorded. 11^ Matter Under m A rch 29, \n$ Matter Under 280 Rule 377 Rule 377 Children arc the priceless assets of [Translation] the country because the future of the (iii) Need to provide electricity in unau- country depends on the health of the thorised colonies in Outer Dellii children. The future of our country depcads on healthy children. At present, SHRI BHARAT SINGH (Outer they ore suffering from many diseases, Delhi) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, lakhs of like dysentry, Colcra, Polio, T.B. etc. poor families are living in old Thus, it Is necessary to vaccinate the unauthorised houses built before 1981 in children against such diseases. Al- Outer Delhi. lakhs of children study though, the responsibility for this was in schools there. During the day time that of the Central GDvernment, so far they go to th-s school, but they cannot only SO per cent children have bien study at home in the absence of covered under this scheme. A sum electricity. The eyesight of those chil- of Rs. 60 crores oily was allocated dren, who study in candle light, gets f o r this pu pjse during the Sixth Plan. weak due to inadequate light. The benefits of this scheme do not 'rcach all the children in all the S ates. Adequate arrangements have not been In these colonics, which are scattered made for the import and the production throughout Outer Delhi, there is com- of VT.ccines in the country, because plete darkness in the absence of street the question of their production is also light and a number of thefts take place ’ linked with the inoculation programme. there, ?s a result of which these poor Ac the same, time, the supply of vitamin pet pie arc suffering. The streets of A to weak children in the rural areas these rural colonies remain water-logged. should also be arranged. 612 colonies are outside Lai Dora. Provision of electricity is a must there. The people living in houses built before ■ I request the Government that a 1981 in villages or colonies have been comprehensive scheme for preventive experiencing great difficulties without vaccination for the childien throughout electricity. Early arrangements should the country should soon be implemented be made to provide electricity and water and necessary funds provided for the to the poor people under the 20-p. int same. programme.

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[SHRI ZAINUL BASHER In the (iv) Need to take immediate steps for reviving sick and closed units of Chair’] West Bengal, Particularly in Howrah (ii) Need to re-open the Phulwari Cotton Mills. Patna (Bihar) to save the wor- SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI kers from starvation (Howrah) : Sir, Howrah was known as the Sheffield or Birmingham of India SHRI C. P. THAKUR (Pa^na): in the industry map of our country. Sir, Phulwari Cotton Mills, Patna, Bihar Over the last several years, due to is ly'ng sick since long. Some of the power crisis, bad management, workers have died and the rest are speculation, untimely supply of raw starving. The matter is shuttling materials and unhelpful attitude of between the State and Central Govern- public financial institutions and banks, ment and no solution is iu sight. I the industries have become sick, and a request the Government to intervene large number of small and big industries and get this Mills started so, that in jute and engineering sectors are thousands of workers are saved from closed. More than 40,000 wagc-earners starvation. are starving. 281 Matter Under CHAtTRA 8, i s AKA) Matter Under ISi Rule 377 Rule 377 The ancillary units of major industries The trawlers had to stop fishing off the are also on the verge of collapse due to west coast as their operations there had power crisis. depleted marine resources. Similar restriction should be imposed on the The large scale curtailment of east coast. rders to wagon-builders has crippled the prestigious Burn and Standard 1 demand that issue of licences to Company of Howrah. trawlers be stopped and the operators made to confine their activities to Government’s p. licy that ‘bad depths cxcecding 200 metres. The management is bad currency’ should, in patrolling of seas should be launched to real sense, be applied immediately. ensure that trawlers do not violate The Industry Ministry must call an fishing regulations. urgent meeting of the Finace ar.d [Translation] Commerce Ministries, officials as well as the representatives of West Bengal (vi) Rude and unhelpful behaviour of the Goverment to urgently take up the Telephone Operators at Sangod (Kota) and need to redress grie- matter of sick and closed units of West vances of subscribers and obviate Bengal in general and Howrah in losses to the exchequer particular. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL (Kota) : For the revival of Industry in Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would like to Howrah, the Industry and Finance raise a matter regarding the irregularities Ministers must submit comprehensive indulged in and the careles'^ness shown proposals for the Seventh Plan with a at Kola Telephone Exchange in respect view to set up major units or plants in of trunk calls booked from Kola by Howrah to save the ancill.vries. the telephone subscribers of Sangod, which fails in my constituency Kota. (v) Violation of prescribed laws by deep sea fishing trawlers by Fishing in When a call is made to Kota Shallow Waters and need to confi.ic Telephone exchange by the local their opeiations to depths exceeding telephone subscribers to book a trunk 200 metres call, either there is no response or SHRI SOMNATH RATH (Aska) : if at all there is response, it is after The livelihood of traditional fishermen great delay. In addition, if a subscriber and fishermen with mechanized boats wants to know the ticket number of the operating on the east coast has been trunk call, the officials concerned tell put in jeopardy following the depkyment him that ticket number would not be of a iieet of about 80 sophisticated given and that in case a complaint is deep sea fishing trawlers. The number lodged, his trunk call would never of various species of fish and prawns in materialise. In such a situation, the the seas off the east coast has been fast subscribers are experiencing great depleting following indiscriminate difficulty. fishing by the trawlers. I would like to bring to your notice The tiawlers chartcd by major sea tlmt Kota-Sangod is on industrial and food exporting companies often do not commercial centre ard hundreds of observe even the basic rules of fishing. trunk calls are booked from there daily. They often fish in shallow water In the prevailing situation, the trade is violating prescribed laws. Moreover, suffering a heavy loss. Besides, the over-fishing by trfwlers has threatened Department is also suffering loss cf the breeding ground of prawns in the revenue to the tune of lakhs of rupees sandlcads of the Bay of Bengal. every month. If steps arc not taken to control the I request the hon. Minister of operation of trawlers, marine re- Communications that keeping in view sources off the east coast would dry up. the seriousness of the matter, prompt i s 3 Scatter Under MAkcri 1985 284 Rule 377 action should be taken in the matter in 13.44 hrs. order to remove the difficulties being faced by the subscribers and to avoid MOTION RE ; THIRTY-SECOND heavy loss of revenue to the Department. AND THIRTY-THIRD REPORTS {English] OF THE UNION PUBLIC SER- (vil) Power Crisis in West Bengal and VICE COMMISSION ALONG need to consider the offer of Britain WITH GOVERNMENT’S MEMO- and Hungary to Supply T.G. Units and Turbo Generators for CE5E and RANDUM ON CASES OF NON- Ramman Hydel Project of West Bengal ACCEPTANCE OF COM- SHRI BASUbEB ACHARIA MISSION’S ADVICE MENTIONED (Bankura) : The Government of West THEREIN— Bengal gave two proposals to the Central Government for importing {EngUsh] T. G. Unit for Calcutta Electric Supply Corporation and 4 numbsrs of turbo generators for Ramman Hydel Project MR. CHAIRMAN (SHRI ZAINUL io West Bengal. For the first proposal BASHER) : The House will now take for importing T.G. Unit from Britain up item No. 10 of the ajjcnda. an assurance was given by the Central Government that they were ready to consid'sr the proposal of help offered by Shri Ramachandra Reddy to continue the British. The Chief Minister of his speech. West Bengal had talks with the then Finance Minister and the Industry Minister in this regard. But the then SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY Finance Minister in^orm^.d the Chief (Hindupur) : Yesterdiy while the Minister of West Bengal that the British offer ha^ been considered for House adjourned I was speaking about other purposes and he advised thit for the unemployment problem and also this the Slate Government should about the enhancement of the age of discuss with BHEL. But the price of recruitment. To-diy I would like to T.G. Unit of BHEL is higher than the T.G. Unit to bi imported from mention a few facts about this uiemploy- Britain. Then CESE asked for permis- ment problem. Thj uiemployment sion to obtain loan to import T.G. problem is a problem of himalayan Unit and submitted their proposals to the Central Governm-Jnt. The latter proportiois in our country. Oa a informed the State Government that rough estimate aboat 450 lakhs of since the BHEL has reJuccd the prices, people have been registered in the iet the CESC contact BHEL. Same Employment Exchanges. Every year is the case with regard to Ramnaan Hydel Project of Government of West the number is increasing by 10 to 12 Bengal. As the price offered by lakhs, and out of these people it is the Hungary was less than that of BHEL duty of the UPSC to select those who and the latter was not also ready to accept the proposal of long term loan are fit to be government servants. payment which Hungary had accepted. While doing so the difference here is Therefore, I urge upon the Govern- that as far as the rural people are ment to reconsidcr the offers imme- concerned they are not in a position diately to combut the serious power to compete on equal footing with the crisis in the State. people who are living in cities. Rural 285 Motion Re *. Thirty^ CHAITRA 8, 1907 (S'yUTi^) Memorandum 28« Second and Thirty-Third on cases o f Reports o f the Union ’Non-Acceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein— Contd, people do not have the same con- people among the employees’ relations veniences. So, the UPSC must Come are employed and see also that soma forward with a mcdifled formulate with quota is fixed for the rurally unem- regard to those people who come from ployed. I am of the view that at the rurrl areas. least one man per family should get employment. A<5 far as the rural people are concerned when once they get registered As far as the reserved seats for with the employmeni exchange the go scheduled castcs and scheduled tribes back to their villages and busy them- are concerned if suitable candidates selves with some agricultural work. I aro not coming forwards then these kn^w of a particular c'se when I inter- posts are not filled up. They are kept viewed candidates for Telugu teachers. vacant for 2-3 years and in some crises One of the candidates from the rural 5-6 years. If these posts are kept area who had registered himself ten- vacant like this in medical services, twelve years back told me when I colleges and schools then the public at asked him questions about Telugu large suffers. So, I would like to language that he hnd forgotten it since suggest that if suitable candidates are he was not in touch. He wanted not coming forward then the posts employmert to be given and then he should not be kept vacant for long and will pick il up again. When such is the suitable candidates from other quota case that those who go back to the should be taken. The practice of keep- rural areas and settle there, they are ing these posts vacant for a long period not in a position to keep in touch should be done away with Government with the subject and when they are has adopted an attitude to tak.i away not on equal footing to compete with jobs from the purview of UPSC by the people who come from urban giving exemptions to certain-categories. areas, some way has to be found so They say, ihcs<3 posts should not go that the people from rural areas are to the UPSC. In that way, those people given employment. For this thing it who are able to influence them get would be better if a quota of say 70 these employments. The Ministries and to 80 per cent is fixed for the rural Departments are able to give such people and the rest for the urban appointments to their ‘near and dear’ dwellers. ones, and for people who are capable of influencing them. So, this practice of giving exemptions in regard employ- Then, Sir, people who are already in ment must be put an end to very employment—their sons, daughters and strictly. Government should not give relatives get employmert mote than any exemption to anybody. All these those who are not connected with the things must come only through the government service. A survey has to UPSC. be conducted of such persons who are serving the Goverrmert as to how many people connected with them were As far as irregular appointments aro registered and got employment. This concerned, the Ministries and Depart” will reveal that a high percentage of meats are in the habit of appointing their sons and relations alone get people of their own choice for 4 or 5 employed to the disadvantage of rural years. Then they come before the people who need employment. So, I Commission and they say that these request the Minister to be kind enough people are employed for 4 or 5 years to launch a survey and see how many or 6 years; so, let them be given some 287 Motion Re : Thirty- MARCH 29, 1985 Memorandum 288 Second and Thirty-Third on cases o f Reports o f the Union Non-Acceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein —- Contd. exemption or 'some weightage at the candidates selected by UPSC are work- time of selection, so that they are ing in the services of States Govern- absorbed. Now, Sir, I wish to point ments. For some irregularities in duties out that this is a bad practice and this the said State Government sometimes should be put an end to. The Public takes disciplinary action against such Service Commission’s jurisdiction should Government servants. The Centre is be there. The Public Service Com- revoking such suspension orders on some mission should not be relegated in ground or the other. Recently the such matters. These people should Government of Andhra Pradesh suspen be treated on par with the other d«-d 4 officials on disciplirary grounds. unemployed people and no weightage But the Centre revoked their suspension should be g'lveu to them on the ground orders and posted them to the same that they have served for 4 or 5 or 6 State Government. In such a case what years. This is my submission. happens is, it becomes very difficult for the State Governments to manage things Then, as far as scheduled castes and to get work extracted from such appointments are concerned, there arc unruly Government servants. This thing interviews held; sufficient candidates should not be permitted. It must be left do not come up for interview. Then to the UPSC to decide and to make what happens is this. These posts are an enquiry whether suspension is to kept pending for so muny years. This be continued or otherwise. This is my should not happen. These posts should submission. be filled up by persons of other categories who are available. Then my last point is this : This is with reference to appointment of persons Regarding police vertification, whjn to the UPSC itself. Obly persons of once the Commission recruits people, exceptional merit, whose integrity and this police verification should be done honesty is unquestioned, should be in 6 months or one year. There should appointed to the Commission. Persons bo a time limit for it. On the ground with shody past should not bo appointed. that verification takes time, the Depart- Then only the Commission will be able ments and Ministries are continuing to perform its functions well. Govern- thosa people whom they have previ- ment should be very careful to select ously appointed either on ad hoc basis suitable persons to man the various or irregular basis. This should not be Public Service Commissions. done. This practice should be put an end to. 1 wish that the Commission With these words I conclude and I must come forward with a rule saying thank you for giving me the time. that once the recruitment is over these persons must be appointed within a SHRI SOMNATH RATH (Aska) ; time limit or within a period of 6 First of all, I congratulate the hon. months or one year, whether the veri- Minister for his introductory speech. fication is over or not. This is my submission. Some such time-limit Mr. Chairman, Sir, I want to invite should be prescribed for this purpose. the hon. Minister’s attention to the Thirty-third Report of the Commission and s)me points raised thereunder. Regarding disciplinary cases, I wish to 9tqte some things. Large number of jSir^ in the Thirty-third Report of the 2S9 Motion Re : Thirty CHAITRA 8, J907 Metnorandum 290 Second and Thirty-^Third on cases o f Reports o f the Union Non-Acceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Government's Honed therein— Contd,

Union Public ScrvLce Commission, for Secondly, in the case of selection of proper assessmeiit of vaoanci«s to fee Scheduled Caste arwi Scheduled Tribe filled through competitive examinations candidates, the U.P.S.C. always tries to held by the Commission, it has been selcct them to fill up the posts against seated as— the required percentage of vacancies reserved for th.'m in esch cetegory. *'(v) The Commission regret to But many posts have been vacant a«nd state that in spite of repeated they are not able to fill up these observation made by them in this vacancies from those candidates. This behalf in thieir earlier Reports, cases situation not only hampers the coniinued to occur where Ihe admitiistration but also hampers Ministries/Departments failed to inti- the solving of unemployment problem. mate even the approximate number of This point requires the consi- vacancies for publication in the deration of the Government for Commission’s Notices of their immediate action. Moreover, the UPSC examinations for the inforination of has also mentioned in Iheir report that the prospective candidates.^* the posts reserved for Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribes cou’d not be filfed They have also mentioned in their up in many cases because sufficient Table that the percentage of increase cumber of candidates belonging to between the number of vacancies Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes notified and the number of vacancies are not forthcoming with the required finally reported has gone up to, 683.33 qualification or they do not appear for in the case of Section Officers'/ the various examinations conducted by Stenographers’, etc. and to 781.82 in the UPSC. Under thsse circumstances, the case of Stenographers^ Examination, if the posts are kept vacarrt for a 1982. Therefore, when certain number number of years, it will affect the of vacancies are anticipated in various administration. Apart from this, the Minib1;rics and Pepartments, it is better the backlog vacancies would get add-d up Government work out the approximate and a time will come when all the requirement of the same and intimates vgcajRcies will not be filled up and the the Public Service Commission so that jother cajididates will not get opportunity while malcing advertisement for fiHing of employment. This is a p >int which up various posts, the U.P.S.C. m^y requires serious consideration of the menMon the same In this way, thc^ Goverjiment if ii a particular year, candidates will came to know the s’lfTicient number of candidates from the number of vacant posts in v.irious Scheduled Caste ani Scheduled Tribe categories and accordingly they can are not available, those posts should be decide whether they should apply for a de-reservod. I do not know why th:)So particular category of posts or not. po ts should not be filled up by other Otherwise, after the «*amination,-if'the candidates. candidates who are not able to come The Public Service Commission has within the selection zone because of a aUo mentioned about the delay in the very small number of posts available ca'^e of confirmation, and promMion of for a particular category, then they officers. If the confirraatim is delayed, face a lot of diflSaultics and they are th-ere can bs nj job satisfaction for the unemployed for so long. ofBc^rs. Therefore, I would request 29 1 Motion Re : Thirty- MARCH 29, 1985 Memorandum 292 Second and Thirto-Third on cases of Reports o f the Union Non-Acceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein— Contd. the hon. M nistcr to cor.sider confirma- were inordinately delayed and of tion of the ofliccis within a reasonable those where in view of the irregulari- lirae so that they get the job satlsfaciion ties involved, the Commission decided as also incentive to work. to treat the appointments as unappro- ved are contained in Appendices XVIII and XVIIIA. It has been observed m the UPSC report : The emphasis is on the word ab initio. ‘'Such delay on the part of Ministries/Departnier\ts are net only not corducive to the morale of This should bo avoided as far as Services but have adverse effects and possible. erode away all the bencfi.s of the systems.” Then, I congratulate the Minister for his saying that now in our country, the This may please be looked into and candidates are being allowed to appear the confirmations done on due time. in the examinations conducted by the Commission in their own languages. The Commission has also mentioned The question pertaining to relaxation of about measures taken to eliminate delays age also requires rethinking. It should in finalisation for transfer on deputation/ be considered keeping in view, whether confiimation cases. Whenever an it would eliminate unemployment or it officer is required to be sent on would increase unemployment. deputation, has suifability for the job in view should be the main criterion, and My hon. friend from the opposition not that bi cause an officer is not good mentioned about the exemptions granted and his services are not required for to certain officers of some Departments some obvious reasons* he should be from the purview of the Union Public deputed somewhere else. The criterino Service Commission. By this rule, ought to be whether the person officers employed in a particular ccncerned has got the requisite qualifica- department arc not to appear before the tions or not for the job in view. Public Service Commission. In my view, such exemptions are necessary, for example for certain Defence TTien, there is a reference to delayed organisations, or for Parliament references and irregular appointments Secretariat. They need not be further in the report. This is a matter which examined by the Union Public Service requires immediate attention. Para 24 Commission. of the 33id Report says :

I have rae a copy of the memoradum ‘*Tlie Commission are pained to issued by the Department of Personnel note that cases in which consultation and Administrative Reforms which wiih the Commission was inordinately explains the reason, for non-acceptance delayed or where appointments of the advic'3 of the Union Public Ser- made were ah initio irregular, vice Commission. One such case is about continued to occur during the year. 3 persons who committed irregularities Particulars of 8ome of the cases in in the matter of purchase of certain ^vhicji reference? tp the Commission stores. The Central Vigilance Commission 29 3 Motion Re : Thirty-Second CHAITRA 8, 1907 Statement Rc 29 4 and Thirty-Third Reports of the Union Situation in Public Service Commission along with Sri Lanka Government's Memorandum on cases of Non-Acceptance of Commission's Advice Mentioned therein — Contd.

recommended exoneration of one officer MR. CHAIRMAN (SHRl ZAINUL and imposition of minor penalty agiiinst BASHER) Shri : Khurshecd Alam Khan, the other two officers. After further the Minister of State in the Ministry of examination, the Ministry concerncd External Affairs, will now make a proposed that no penahy be imposed on statement. the second officer since he had been already been compulsorily retired in another ease. But, as for the third one, it is mentioned that because it is not for commission but for omission, he is to STATEMENT RE : SITUATION IN be exempted. I want a clarification SRI LANKA from the hon. Minister when the {English] second officer who is found guilty for commission has retired and it is a compulsory retirement how could the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE third official has been treated on par MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS with him. That is one quesiija. (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : PM had instructed the Foreign Secre- The second is about the Driver in tary to visit Sri L?.nka. He returned Delhi Milk Scheme. Of course his from Colombo yesterday. appeal was dismissed and then he preferred a petition to the hon. President As Hon. Members are deeply con- and the Commission has suggested cerned in regard to the situation in Sri withholding of two increments of pay for Lanka, I am giving details of his visit two years without cumulative effect. and its outcomc. I may mention that May 1 know from the hon, Minister the Sri Lankan authorities put out a because he has been dismissed ai^.d is press release, extracts of which appeared not in service. Since the matter is in our press yesterday. It was not a referred to the hon. President and the joint statement or a communique. Commission has also suggested that only two increments could be stopped, The Presided of Sri Lanka received will the justice be met if it is treated as him on the first day of his visit fjr a commpulsory retirement ? As for the preliminary exchange of views. Prior other two cases, I think Government is to his departure from Colombo, the correct in not accepting the reference, Foreign Secretaiy was again received because it is necessary for administrative by the President for a more detailed purpose. discussion.

Before closing my speech, I request the hon. Minister that while selecting The Foreign Secretary was received members to this august body, it mmt be amongst others by the Prime Minister, taken into consideration that men of the Forciga Minister, the Mi,lister for knowledge, integrity and high ordir National Security, the Minister for Home should be selected, as they are to Affairs, and the Mi.iiister for Rural and recommend to the Government for Industrial Development. He also took appointment in many case, not on’y of the opportunity of meeting several administration but also to assist to run prominent personalities. This afforded the countiy. him an opportunity for a frank exchange of views. These were conducted in an Thank you. atmosphere of cordiality. 295 Statement Re MARCH 29 1985 Statement Re i96 Situation in Situation in Sri Lanka S ri Lanka

The objective of the visit was to have years, and that it will resum« the pro- an exchange of views on both interna- gress towards stability and prosperity tional and bilateral issues. In the that has been interrupted by the ethnic Course of his meetings the ethnic pro- crisis. It was stressed thal resumption blem in Sri Lanki was discussod in all of peaceful economic development will its Rspccts. There was a shared anxiety be po>‘;.ble only after normalcy returns and conc.rn orer the continuing vio- to that Island State. The meeting lence and unsettkd situation in Sri of the legitimate aspirations of the Lanka. Tho Foreign Secretary convoyed Tamils is obviously the responsibility of to Sri Lankan leaders our a:.xicly, in- the Sri Linkan leadership. They have sofar as a«:pcc.s of the siiuation i.i Sri assured us that they are more keenly Lanka that h:wc roporcussions in India. aware of this th:m anyone as also of These include the question of refugees the gravity of the challenge and their and the latest influx, and the plight of respDnsibility to m?ert it. As a con- fishermen. He emphasized what our cerned and friendly fteighbour, we offer Prime Mmister has repeatedly stressed them our sincere hand of friendship. that condi ions must be crcated for We have been assured of reciprocal refugees to g i back to Sri Lanka in goodwill towards India from Sri Lankan safely and w.lh honour. He also raised leaders. other mallers such as that of stateless individuals of Indian-origin. Normal commerce between our coun-

The Forcien Secretary urged that an tries is being strengtbcnd and where this immedi^ie solution must be found to has been disrupted, links are being resto- the ethnic p ob'cm, acceptable to all red. It has been agreed that a shipping concerred and wiih a view to redressing service will start soon between Colombo the legitimate grievances of the Tamil commun’ty. This should be achieved and Tuticorin, and this should be of through neg:)tialions. The exis'ing con- benefit to the nationals of both countries. ditions of hostility, tension, suspicion It has also been agreed that there will and distrust were working against this be regular con&ultation and contacts at objective official level on a wide spectrurn’ of The objective in Sri Lanka is now to issues including th^> present problem to defuse the situation, bring an end to maintam and consolidate our ttadiiional violence, the withdrawal of sccur:ty and friendly relations. forces and the restoration of normalcy. This would pave the way for a political dialogue. The next opportunity of a further On our part, we reaffirm our support exchange of views will be provided when to the independence, integrity, unity and the Foreign Minister of Sri Lanka non-aligned status of Sri Lanka. We comes to Naw Delhi for the Ministerial would like to cooperate in any way we meeting of the Nonaligned Coordinating can towards Sri Lanka’s development aid progress. - Bureau.

We hope that Sri Lanka will recover quickly from the trauma of the last few 297 Motion Re : Thirty- CHAItRA 8, 190^ hiemorandum 29S Second and Thirty-Third on cases o f Reports o f the Union Non-Acceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein— Contd.

MOTION RE ; THIRTY-SECOND This is a very serious lapse, bccau^e AND THIRTY-THIRD REPORTS in cert tin areas, and fjr certain Cumrnu- OF THE UNION PUBLIC SER- nitics, the promotion quota is a vory VICE COMMISSION ALONG important ismo, because once timely WITH GOVERNMENT’S MEMO- promotion is deiicd, it is very likely RENDUM ON CASES OF NO- that a number of officers will be ACCEPTANCE OF COM- retired without getting the privilege of MISSION’S ADVICE MENTIONED this promotio.1 to the IAS or Indian THEREIN—canrrf. Police Scrvice. In the particular case reported, the list involved 192 posts \Englihh] for IAS, 153 for IPS and 94 for Indian Forest Ssi-vice For no fault of the oflRcers, the mectinjjs of the Selection [SHRI SOMNATH RATH in the Committees could not be held for three Chair] years.

14.12 hrs. In certain cases, there was no certainty when such meetiags could be held. The government should have SHRI TOMBI SINGH (Inner Mani- some mechanism to check such lapses. pur) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am grate- For an ar a like Manipur, we have ful for the opportunity given to me to very spccial conditions because here take part in this discussion on the 32nd one-third of the pDpulation is ST and and 3 3rd Reports of the Union Public two-thirds from the non-schcduled triba Service Commission. To begin with, I population. But, olhcrwise, socially, would like to draw the attention of the educationally, the entire bulk of the hon. Minister to page 36 of the 33rd population stands on the same footings Report under the head, ‘'Promotions because of the protection rccoivcd by and Confirmations”, wherein it has been the ST candidates. There has been said : created a serious imbalance among the officials because the majority commuiity in the State of Manipur is known as “ ..-Further, no Selection Com- Mcitci forming two-thirds of the popu- mittee meetings had b en held f>r the lation. They have not been able to last three years for all the three compete with the rest of the couilry oi cadres of Jammu and Kashmir, a.nd merit, because human material is the the Indian Administrative Service and same. While the ST have the protec- Indian Forest Servicc for Nagaland, tion, it is very good and we do not as no proposals were fcceivcd from grudge the protectio.i, and we are not the concerned Sta:e Governments. agaiiist reservation also, but the point In the case of three Slates, namely to be made is that there might be cer- Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and Manipur— tain other communities in the rest of Tripura (Indian Administrative the country facing similar difficulties; Scrvice and Indian Police Service), they aro graded general castes, but they the m.ectings could not be held as do not come under the general caste the dates suggested by the Com- foT such competition. So, they have mission did not suit the cO iveniencc been suffering all these dcc?des with- of the State Governments.” out ^tting any representation on tho 299 Motion Re : Thirty-^ MARCH 29, 1985 Memorandum 300 Second and Thirty-Third on cases of Reports o f the Union Non-Acceptance Public Servicc of Comm'ssion*s Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein— Contd. bisis of direct selection. Sj far as learn the laTjaage of that area, should Meilci Comnriuaity is conce.ncd, they be conversmt with the liCdil conditions. have got maximum o.ic or Lwo dircct But, now, it seems that this has not selection in the Indian Administrative been given sufficient emphasis. Service and one or two in the IPS. In this context, it is the government who Now, I would lt’c3 to draw the atten* should have some statutory protection tion of th2 Minister to the medium of for such community which cannot stand examination for the Public Service in competition wi h the bigger commu- Commission. The relevance of the nity in such competitions. So, for Eighth Sch dule has been recalled here. such community, the promotion quota There has been a long drawn debate in IAS, IPS or in other Lvdia.\ Scrviccs about amendment of Eighth Schedule. is so important that ih:re should be a There are number of languages awaiting mechanism provided by the Home inclusion in the Eighth Schedule. I do Ministry lhat the State Government not like to mention the names. But concerned shou'd not fail to submit during the lifetime of the late Prime the neccssary material for the promo- Minister, Shrimati Indira Gandhi it was tion of these officers. promised that the case of Manipuri would be taken into consideration along with some other languages. This has The Public Service Commission has bccome very impoilant because In to play a rol»; in ihe i.'tcyratio.i of the certain languages ex.iminatious are be- country because the Indian Services, ing conducted. Then, a community either Police Service or Administrative who-je language is the official langauge Service or other services like Forest in the State, whose languige is well- Service, they should not only train advanced, well-d:voIoped in every them in administrative matters and department or every sphere of transla- management but also in motivation, tion, n:>vels, drama, essays, poems and about the real thing, about the mission modern and contemporary literature, that they are going to perform in diff r- etc. also demands it. When t!)is advan- rent parts of the c.)untry where they tage is denied to certain communities would be posted. They g-) with a com- this is a basic denial. I wou'd like to plex as if they are the hang-over of the suggest that till the amendment of the Indian Civil Service that was prevalent Eighth Schedu'e, the ianguagjs recog- in the colonial ages; they gj to different nised by the Sahitya Academy should be places, backward areas and look down the media of examination if at all the upon the people and also the offiiors examination his to be conducted in who work under them. We should languages other than English and provide neccssary motivation that th^y Hindi. Only then the legitimate demands should be trained not only in adminis. of the small communities and smiU trative mattcis but also mDtiviVtioo States will be met. factor. ^ 1 Then, another point 1 w>>uld like to It should be compulsory for the IAS menlion is about the process of exami* and IPS people to learn the locil . nation. I hive nothing to say against languag’ wherever they serve; it was a the examinations as su;h. But the pro- necessity; it was compulsory during the cess is timo-consuming. Begin ling with colonial days that whoever goes as a January this year with appUcatioas, - and member of the civil Service should then the Preliminary examination some 301 Motion Re : T h irty CHAITRA 8, 1907 (5i4AT/l) Memorandum 302 Second and Thi'-ty-Thlrd on cases of Reports o f the Union Non~Accepiance Public Service o f Commission *s Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein— Contd. time in April, results coming out in duled Tribes. It is also a fact that June-July, and then main examination examination reforms and int’-oduction in November and then the firal results of regional languages as medium of exa- of the main examination, in March-April, mination have irduced more and more it takes virtually more than one year. young men from ru al areas to sit for So, the candidate appearing for this the UPSC examinations and come out examination has to spend more than successful. But thereare certain dis- one year. It is not only time-c:>nsum- turbing factors which I would like to ing but it is also a strain on the physical raise. and mental abilities of the candidate. Also, m.my students will not b^ able to First of all, it is found that the wait for so many moaths, bec.iuse there Government of India is still continu- is no certainty whether they w.ll pass ing with the practice of md^k'wgadhoc or whether they should switch over to or irregular appointments on a large other choices. Therefore, this process scile. Tills is violation of the lule of of time-consuming examination should \2 w because in a democratic country be looked into. We may suggest that public appointments are public property the time should be cut at least by and they should be filled up only on the half. bas's of merit and experience. Such ad hoc and irregular appointments are Another thing we can mention is ofien made with political patronage. about the reduction of the ago limit Hence Government should do away with from 28 to 2 6. The reduction was this practice. done with proper justification. But this reduction was implemented, and no Secondly, it is fonud that often offer proper notice was given, ev^n though of appointments arc made to candidates a notice of at least three years could after inordinate delay. Naturally, suc- have been Icpitimitoly given. A second cessful candidates, when they are offered chance has to be given for 28-year appointments, cannot join Government old candidates. It is good if it is given, services. Meanwhile they seek employ- it is in the fitness of things that ano- ment elsewhere and find a job elswhere. ther chance, should be given so that As a result, efforts and huge expendi- those students who were supposed to get ture involved in their selection become their chances, and wh^so chances were infructions. Often the txcuse given is reduccd to two, cou'd have another that the verification of character and chance. If this is done, I think many antcccdenis have not been completed. of the grievances of the candidates will We hope th:it such verification of charac- be removed. ter and antecedents should ba completed in time. SHRI SUDHIR ROY (Burdwan): The 3 2nd and 33rd Reports of the Com- It is also found that the Government mission reveal what a stupendous task do not notify the recruitment rules. they have to perform. And they have Though the instructions given by the done their task in a most appreciable, Department of Personnel and Adminis- way. We are also happy to note that trative Reforms on 13tb August, 1969 the Commission CQu.d recommend all and again on 22nd May, 1979, clearly the candidates for the posts reserved laid down that within four weeks of the for the Scheduled Castes and the Sche- a

ments are now more circumspect in lation does not get more chances by resorting to ad hoc appointments. resorting to this upper age limit. But Refusal of the Appointments Com- this is not the case because generally mittee of the Cabinate lo allow ad hoc after passing the 10+2-|-3 e\uminations appointments to be m:ide or conti" and after doing post-grad'iation or nued against regular vacancies, has LLB, the age of the person who be" a very heartening impact in putting comes competent to appear in the civil almost a total stop to ad hocim'i in service examination is near about 23 and higher posts.” he must be given two or three chances at least. The Kothari Commission has So, this is one of the very good signs introduced the preliminary examination so far as the selection of the candidates also in which the result is that out of for higher posts is concerned. But I one lakh candidates, nearly 1 5,000 - can- wish to bring to the noiice of the hon. didates who get through and only those Minister that the upper age limit which candidates who get through in the pre- was 28 years, has been reduced to 26 liminary examination, get a chance to years, perhaps on the recommendation appear in the main examination. So, of the Kolhan Committee. But, at the ke^ ping in view all these things, there same time, in some eases the Com- should not be any reduction in the age mission itself has recommended that the limit and I would request the hon. upper age limit should be 28 years. On Minister to see that the age limit is page II of the Thiriy-third Report, raised from 26 to 28 years, so that they have said ; more and more people of calibre may get a chance to appear in the examination. “The upper age limit prescribed for the Engineering Services Examina- Now, tUere arc two examinations- tion was 27 years till 19 82. On a the Preliminary, and the Main. If a proposal received from the Govern- candidate gets through the Preliminary, mentjthe Commission agreed to raise but not the Main, next year he has the upper age limit for this examina- agjin to appear for the Preliminary tion to 28 years to bring it at par first. Once a candidate has cleared the with the upper age limit prcscrib-d Preliminary, why should he again ba for the Civil Services Examination. asked to appear for it ? Why do you The revised upper age limit will be not allow h m to appear for the Main effective from the Engineering Ser- examin;ition 7 This view should be vices Examination, 1983,” onsidered.

So, the Commission elso, in its own It is the general feeling that engi" wisdom, thought it fit that the upper necrs, doctor and other professional age limit for the Indian Engineering people prefer to enter the IAS. We can Service should be 28 years, r do not get over this problem by the creation know the logic behind this bccause it of All India Engineering Service, All was for the Committee to consi der India Health and Medical Service and this matter and there might have been All India Educational Service. The many reasons for doing this. The Minis* question of the creation of these tsr also, when he was expressing three cadres has been raised from time Government’s views on the matter, was to time since 1 963. It is time that under the impression that it will help Government consider this propota{ the rural population if the urban popu- ■oriousJy and sympathefically. 307 Motion Re : Thirty^ MARCH 29, 19 85 Memorandum 308 Second and Thirty-Third on cases o f - Reports o f the Union Non-Acceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein— Contd.

The Estimates Committee has recom- Secretary or Foreign Secretary should mended that some more benefits should not be allowed to acccpt any foreign be given to these scrviccs. It is neces- assignment. One officer, who was the sary because ihc IAS officers are gett- Foreign Secretary here, has taken up a ing the same emoluments, which they high executive post in the United States. were getting since 1960, in the super- These things should be stopped. time scale of five years. Government It should be incorporated as,Ohe of the should look into the matter and consi- service conditions that they will not be der raising their emoluments, as allowed to take up such assignments recommcndcd by ihe Estimates Coni- after retirement. . mittee of Parliament. The House is happy to rote that the Some of the IAS officers are employed Goverrment of India has taken by foreign governments after their a decision that 50 per cent of the retirement. In fact, some of these offi" persons recruited in these services should cers have held crucial posts before they be posted in States different from their were appointed by the foreign govern- home States. But at the same time I ments. I am quoting from The. Patriot will request the Minister to look into of 24th April 1984 : another aspect. The promoted officers are hand in glove with the local State or ‘'When the Government considers the home State. Therefore, this formula the material rewards for the All should be applied to the promoted India Services, it should bear in mind officers also. That is 50 per cent of that the salaries of judges have also the promoted Officers should also bo remained unchanged for years and allocated to the States other than their home States. inflation has eroded their incomes. Furthermore, it is time the Govern- Though these national services were ment consider whether it should not credted by the Secretary of State for be regulating the post-retirement India during the British regime, they benefits many civil servants diaw have also given some good service to the from foreign governments {md private country. One is national integration. business firms. Former Foreign Another is that these IAS Officers are Sacretaries of India have been emplo" not only the executive functionaries, but yed by foreign governments. One is said to be currently an officer of the sometimes they influence the policy- making of the country. Therefore, it Pentagon. Aside from the propriety needs re-orientation. We have gone dignity, is this practice compatible with the requirements and consistent through these reports and there is no with national security ? How can programme like that. There should be India match the material benefits to change in the outlook of the officers. the senior civil servants which the There should be change in the approach future foreign governments and pri- of the officers so far as the present vate employers can shower to pur- policies of the Government are concer- chase information and influence ned. As a matter of fact, he is not these officials have gained in their only a bureaucrat today, but, when he capacity as senior civil servants ?’rit» comes to the status of a Secretary or an Advisor to the Government of India, he assumes another role, a role of an advi- This aspect should also be considered. ser to the Ministry or to the Minister. In A person who bas served as Defence that capacity the natyre and approach 30^ Motion Re : Thirty- CHAIlkA 8, 1907 {SAKA) Memorandum 310 Second and ThHy-Third on cases o f Reports o f the Union Non-Acceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein— Contd. of the officer is of very material value. f Translation] Therefore, it needs orientation. SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA (Robertsganj) : Mr, Chairman, Sir, I would also say that there should be I am grateful to you for giving me an mixed cadre. This will help promote opportunity to speak. First of all, I national integration because unity in would like to draw your attention to diversity is the theme of the Indian the letter written to various State culture a.id the Indiun nation. Governments by our Prime Minister, Therefore, it is very necessary that this Shri Rajiv Gandhi, two days ago, wherein culture should be imbibed in our he has said that only persons with officers, who are in the highest cadre in undisputed integrity and efficiency the bureaucracy. should be appointed on the Public Service Commissions, Sir, it indicates Lastly when we consider Section 311, the policy of our Government and our new Prime Minister particularly in s o m e of the officers have behav.d in a respcct of this important matter. way which is a slur upo.i :his Cadre. Recently thr;re have been some cases my State—^Rajasthan—about one IPS SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : It officer. Prioi to that there was a case was not so earlier. about another IPS Officer. So, as a matter of fact, under the garb of Article SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA : It 311 they should not ba exempted if was the policy earlier also. they are found conimitting such atroci- Unterruptions)... ties or mal-practiccs or an oct which is unbecoming of the Officer of that Cadre. [ E^glish^ Therefore, should be some mechanism to get rid of such handic.tps because MR. CHAIRMAN : Please go on. till they get the approval from the Union Don’t pay any attention to them. Public Service Commission, no action can be initiated against them. There- SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA : I am fore, the Government should think over not at all perturbed. it and see that prompt action can be taken against such officers who commit errors or who are found guilty. As a MR. CHAIRMAN : Not perturbed. matter of fact at present it takes a very Please don’t pay any attention. long time to take action against them. First of all there should be an SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA : Not inquiry and after that, if he is at all. I will see only the Chair. found guilty, a prompt action against {Interruptions) him should bs initiated. So, this needs to be looked into. [Translation]

With these words I thank the Sir, first of all I would like to Minister for the new directions which congratulate our young Prime Minister he has initiated and for the commenda- for the views expressed by him yester- tion of the Commission to improve the day which deserve to be commended. performance of the Government services. Our Public Service Commissions have j i l Motion Re \ Thirty- MARCH 29, 1985 Memorandum 312 Second and Thirty-Third on cases o f Reports o f the Union Non-A cceptance Public Service of Commisiion's Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein— Contd. a glorious history. They have disharged you as objective test. A large number their responsibiliiics with great honesty of candidates are eliminated in such and devotion. Till today the people in tests. Its very purpose is to eliminate the country have a very good impression candidates. But who are eliminated? about the Public Scrvice Commissions. Generally, they are from remote villagts The People are of the view that one can where modern educiior.al facilities are get his work done at other places not available. Today, we should follw through underhand means but it is not a po'icy under which the thousands of possible to do so in the case of Pub'.ic bri'.liants sladcnts fiom these areas also Service Commissions. I would, there- could be given modern educational faci- fore, like to congratulate the Public lities so that they c m d compete with the Service Commissoin people also. In ciindidatcs from u; ban areas. You shall this connection I would like to give have to adopt a new thinking in this some suggestions also. regard.

Sir, we have seen this report. There Besides, you should not restrict the is no doubt thit after independence training to certain cadres only. It there has been an increase in the number should be cxtor.ded to olhcr fields also. of persons belonging to scheduled castes, You have entrusted certain services to scheduled tribes and the weaker sections the Pubiic Service Commissions. You in Government services. Although their want to bring about integration in ihc number in Government services has been country. The power position in the incieasing constantly, yet it has not yet country is very bad. The working of reachcd the desired level. I would like the Electricity Boards is not improving to say that the training and coaching despi:e all the reforms undtrtaken and schemes undertaken by various universi- directions given by the Centre, the ties for these sections of our society reason being that the service conditions should be encouragcd and extended to of the engineers are not uniform. If the all the 40 to 50 universities. Special scrvice conditions of the engineers are attention should be paid in this regard in madj uniform throughout the counlry the backward areas so that their and there is a single scrvice commissioa standard cou’d be raised. for them, then there will not be any agitation by them in support of the-r demands. Similarly, there are many Sir, the Constitution confers on us other services at State level. If these the Right to Equality, but nobof'y services are made all India level follows it. On the one hand, there are services, for which a demand is also no buildings for even primary schools in being made, like mcdical and engineering remote adivasi areas in the country; services, a lot of improvement can be there are no suitable seating arrange- made. You have done something in ments for their children, but on the vespect of Forest Service, but much other hand, public schools are being set more is yet to be done. You should up in big cities. The graduates coming try to do the needful so that the country out of the colleges in the adivasi areas may develop and the problem of cannot compete with the graduates regional imbalance and national coming out of the colleges in the integr xtion may be solved. urban areas.

I would to make a mention about the I would like to make a mention about conflict between IAS and IPS, which is the preliminary test which is called by observed in actual working. It vitiates 313 Motion Re : T h irty CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Memorandum il4 Second and Thirty-Third on cases of Reports o f the Union Non-Acceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Government’’s tioned therein— Contd. the entire administralion. The I am very thankful to the Commission Superintendent of police says that he is that it has detcct d an irregularity after higher in Status than the Collector whilie a thorough scrutiny. A doctor had got the Collector says that his status is himself appointed in Dr. Ram Manohar higher. Sometimes, an old I.P S. Officcr Lohia Hospital or some other hospital is posted under a young Collector. by producing a fake Scheduled Caste Something must be done to rectify certificate. As th^re is reservation for these things. Scheduled Castes, he would naturally demand promotion also. Certain doctors Just now an hon. Member was brought this case to our notice. I am referring to promotions being m.ide in very thankful to the Public Service State services. I consider it a right Commission that it had conducted an thing. But in some States, the salary of inquiry in the matte/ and communicated an officer of the provincial service is to the Goverr.ment that some irregularity had been committed and a job higher than that of an I.A.S. officer due had been securcd by producing a fake to which there is great resentment certificate. The Home Ministry or tho araorg the I.A.S. officers. When I,A.S. Mcdical department should take up this has been deemed the topmast scrvice and they constitute the crcani of the society, case. It pains me that the Government then you will have to ensure that they have not accepted the recommendation of the Commission and the Doctor is do not get less pay than the personnel still being considered a Scliedulcd Caste. of State services. In my view, it is not Untcrrupnons) I think for raising the good to create resentment among I,A.S. morale of the Officers of Commission officers throujjhout the country in this and to show that they are working in manner. My next suggestion is that an unbiased manner, it is necessary that when ihe personnel belonging to State their recommendations should be acccp- Services are accoided the same status as ted and action be taken against the that of an I A.S. officer th.*n it should officers who are facing charges. The not be restricted to executive services Vigilance department has given adverse only; it should b3 extended to engineer- reports against several I A.S. Officers in ing and agricltural services also. Some Uttar Pra desh but no action has been percentage may be 25, 30, 35 or 40 per taken against them. The Association of cent, should be fixed for them in the I.A.S. Officers may be good for other States other than their home States. purposes but I would like to point out A',1 these things will h^'ve to be done at that it is the general feeling in the the basic level. country that no punishment can be awarded' to an I.A.S. Officer and ulti- I would like to say one thing more. mately he is let off. Sometimes, Government do not accept the recommendations of the Commis- sion. Attention should be paid towards In the end, I commend the efforts it. A perusal of the last year’s report made by the hon. Minister. A separate reveals that you did not pccept a recom- Ministry has been created. I hope that mendation when high officers were my suggestions will bs kept in view. involved, but you immediately acccpted it if lower employees were involved. It [English] indicates your policy that you want to protect the high officers. It is not a good policy. This policy will have to be SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO changed. (Koraput) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, this hS Motion Re : Thirty^ MAkCH 29, 1985 ' Memorandum M6 Second and Thirty-Third on cases of Reports o f the Union Non-Acceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein— Contd.

U.P.S.C. Report is an importatit ono. the IAS, IPS and in other all-India Tho Department of Personnel and services as well as in State services. The Administrative Reforms which was tag- question is whether the Scheduled Tri- ged on with the Home Ministry is now bes people have at last come to the under the direct control of the Prime level of Scheduled Castes people, or rot. Minister. The intention of this separa- The educational opportunities in the tion from the Home Ministry is to put tribal areas are very much less with emphasis on the administrative machi- the result that very few tribal people nery which is to run the country and join the administrative services. So, I which is to give an accelerated tempo would ask the hon. Minister what are to the development of ihe country as th e stops that the Government propose desired by the people. to take to give appropriate education to these people so that they come up to What is democracy? The definition the level by which the tribal people can of democracy is ; It is by the people, at least join tho administrative services for the people and of ihe people. What to administer their areas. is bureaucracy ? The bureaucracy is by the Government, fjr the Government and Another thing which is important of the Government. What is Govern- today is administrative reforms. There ment ? The Government is a Govern- was the Administrative Reforms Com- ment which is made by the people, mission The report of this Commission which works for the people and which covers nearly 30,000 pagos. In that is answerable to ihe peop'.e. If we take report, nowhere rights there any men- these three definitions togolher, then the tioned relating to the backward or tribal essence of these definiiions will be that arta admin stration. There was no both the politicifns and the personnel emphasis on any aspect relating to tribal are for the development of the country administration. It means no investi- and for giving justice, legal, develop- gation was made at all about the mental, social and p.iUiical, to the administration of the backward and people. tribal ?reas. According to the Govern- ment, administrative reforms for the Yesterday, while the hon. Minister country means the reforms for the was initiating the debate, he said that entire country excepting the tribal they have g'Vja reservations to the and backward areas. Is it not a fact Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes that the North Eastern regioa and the in order to bring them to the mainstream tribal belt of Central India and other of national life. I agree with him. But backward areas of the country require a this is not actual intention of giving separate administrative set-up for the reservations to these people. The actual sake of their economic development and intention is to have the participation of for meting out soc-al and legal justice to these people in the development of the those people ? country so that they are able to give justice to their own people. If they are given an appropriate training as well as It is generally presumed that administration is meant for the developed education, then only it will be possible areas and the implementation of certain to achieve tho desired result. rules and procedures in such areas. But After Independence, we have got a this is not administration in actual terms. number of Scheduled Castes people in If the attitude and approach of the 317 Motion Re ! Thifty^ CHAITRA 8, 1907 {SAKA) Memorandum 318 Second and Thirty-Third on cases o f Reports o f the Union h!on~A cceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein— Contd. administrator towards that development speaking at the opening session of the of backward areas and backward people Scheduled Tribes and Scheduled Areas is negative, that cannot b3 c.illcd true Conference in New Delhi an June 7, administration and we do not want that 1952, Shri Jawaharlal Nehru said : type of administration. "It is better to send a totally It is very interestir.g to find that we uneducated man who has passed no formulate the plan and allocate money examination, so long as he goes to and by implementing the plans, we want these people with friendship and to achieve ceifain objectives. In ihe affection and lives as one of them. implementation of the Plan', the repre- Such a man will produce better sentatives of the people, the Ministers results than the brilliant intelleciual and the officials, all the thxe, have who has no human u:iderst;mding of their respective roles to play. The the problem,” representatives of the people have to make the policies and the officials have This is the intention, this is the to implement those policies and the approach, that we want, whether in people must get the results. But, unfor- tribal areas or in backward areas or ia tunately, there is no coordination bet- any other area. ween the rtprcsentativcs of people, the Ministers and the officials. Before we I would make this request to the hon. int erpret the plans, we suddenly jump Minister. into the aspect of implementation. If the plans are not implemented properly and if there is a failure, then only we Now there should bo no question of will analyse the causes for our failure. another Commission. He should consti- Then only we will try to find out whe- tute a Committee in his own Depart- ther the exact intention behind the plan ment to study the problems of the or scheme is properly interpreted or backward areas, tribal areas and other not. areas to see what difficulties are there and how far these difficulties can be removed and what type of oflBcials I would, therefore, suggest that first should be appointed in these areas. of all you must bo clear wl\iit precisely is the policy you want to follow and then you must implement your policies. I would suggest that you create a separate cadre called the Scheduled Areas Administrative Service. ‘Scheduled Earlier, everybody had an interest in Areas’ means those areas covered under implementing the Plan. At that time, the Fifth and Sixth Schedules. The there was no personal interest or vested Sixth Schedule covers the north-eastern interest and there were no clashes of areas while the Fifth Schedule covers irterests. But now, there is only one the oiher tribal areas. The officials interest ard that is vested interest. That should be given the option whether they is whyj tho Plans are not being properly would like to serve in the hill areas or implemented. in the plains or in any other area.

Oovernment is now proposing to I conclude my submissions with the delink degrees from jobs. This was hope that our new Minister will inject conceived long before by our late Prime a new thinking in the administration Minister Shri Jawahjirlal Nehru. While and that we will get the desired results. 5t9 Motion Re : Thirty^ MARCH 29 1985 Memorandum 320 Second and Thirty'Third on cases of Reports o f the Union Non-Accentance Public Service o f Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein— Contd.

SHRl K.R. NATARAJAN (Dindigul): Indian National Congress wholeheartedly Sir, the Central Government has provi- and sacrificed their lives for the sake of ded for reservation of appointments or the Congress in those days. So, the posts in favour of the Scheduled Castes Britishers imposed the Criminal Tribes and Scheduled Tribes as per Articles Act on them in 1917. This imposition 15(4) and 1 6(4) of the Constitution of was opposed tooth and nni'l by the Irdia wi'.h reference to their population. Piramalai Kallars. 21 persons were The reservation is not adequate. Even shot dead. The then Congress leaders the reserved posts have not been filled in Tamil Nadu, namely, George Joseph, by Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Vaidyanaiha Iyer, Satya-murthy, Tribe cav'.didates. So, their due share Mothuiamalinga Thevar, Rajaji, should be given in the matter of Kamaruj and N.M.R. Subbaraman appointments. fou>;ht against the victimisation and imposition of the Criminal Tribes Act onJPiramalai Kallars and Maravars in Under Articles 15(4) and 16(4) of the Tamil Nadu. Piramalai Kallars were Constitution, reservation should also treated as the worst ciiminals because have been made in favour of the back- of their wholchtarted support to the ward classes in the matter of appoint- Indian National Congress. A special ments under the Central Government police officer in the rank of District and public scctor undertakings with Superintendent of Police with designa- reference to their population. The tion as Kallar Superintendent of Police population of backward classes is about was appointed with a number of sub- 75 per cent. At least 30 per cent of ordinate police officorr, to assist him. appointments must be reserved for the Inspectors of Police and Sub-Inspectors backward classcs. and other police officers used to visit Piramalai Kallars duriag nights. They Denotified tribe, nomadic tribe and maintained attendance registers in semi-nomadic tribe candidates should respect of Piramalai Kallars in each have been given special treatment. village The Sub-Inspcctor or Inspector Fifteen per cent of appointments should or any other officer policeused to tako be reserved for them. During the attendance during the dead of night. British days, dcnotificd tribe people were treated as criminals : they were If anybody was found absent he will not allowed to move about without be subsequently arrested and produced passport from one village to another before magistrates. The absentees were village. punished and sent to jail. Piramalai Kallars were prevented from moving Piramalai Kallar community in Tamil about from one village to another Nadu belongs to martial race. Their village without passports. So, they were population is about 3 5 lakhs. During effectively prevented from doing the British days, they were treated as busiiress. Their economic status was the worst criminals; however rich the completely shattered. They were com- individuals may be, however great the pletely ruined and pushed five centurics individuals may be and however good behind. So much they were crippled the individuals may be, they were consi- economically, educationally and socially. dered as criminals under the Criminal They were branded as criminals. So, it Tribes Act. The only offence they is the duty of the Central Government cpmniitted was that they supported the to sec that they jire rehabilitated and 321 Motion Re : Thirty- CHAITRA 8, 190 7 Memorandum 322 Second and Thirty-Third on cases of Reports o f the Union Non-Acceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Qovernmenfs tioned therein— Contd. brought up. So at least three per ccnt they are also entitled as citizens of this of the posts should be reserved for them country to have their due and equal out of the posts within the purview of share in the matter of appointments. the UPSC and under the public sector Their keeping way from public scrvice undertakings, Reserve Bank of laclia on any ground whatever is immoral, and other nationalised banks. unethic and undemocratic. I am sure the^ hon. Prime Minister as a disciple Selection of candidates to the posts is of Swami Vivekananda and Gandhiji and mainly on the ground of marks obtained as a son of divine mother Indiraji will in the written examinations and inter- definitely bestow his personal attention views. Competition is between uncquals. on this matter and help the poor and The backward classes and denotificd downtrodden backward classes and tribes come generally from rural areas. D.N.T. people to have their due share Most of them are living below poverty in the appointments with reference to line. They study in villape schools and their population and with reference to colleges in the rural atmosphere. The their educational and social backward- teachers are not brilliant and not of high ness. So, it is the duty of the Central calibre. Libraries worth the name are Government to see that they are reha- not avai’able there. They are not bilitated and provided with thoir due receiving good education there. Socially share of appointments under the Central they do not get encouragement. Econo- Goverament and their undertakings. mically they are at the bottom. So they cannot think of making preparation for \Tr anslation^ competitive examination so well. There- fore, the competition should be among SHRI MOOL CHAND DAG A the candidates who come from the same (Pali) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, or similar classes of people. Once a there is a judgement of the Supreme person from the backward ch'sses or Court delivered in 19 84— D.N.T. or P.K. is selected to a post he will match anybody in discharge of {Engli^h'l duties pertaining to his job* So opportunity should be given to them to ren- der public servicc. Such opportunity The establishment of an independent should not be denied. So, the mode or body like Public Service Commission method of selection to the posts should is to ensure S;,-lcction of best available be changed and the method of selection pcrsors for appointment in a post to should be formulated in such a way that avoid aibitrariness and nepotism in the they are also selected to the posts. matter of appointment. It is constituted by psrsons of high ability, varied experience :\nd of undisputed integrity I would like to bring to the notice of and further assisted by experts on the the hoD. Prime Minister that not only subject. the poor and downtrodden scheduled C9stes, scheduled tribes, backward classes, D.N.T. people have been sin- [Translation] cerely exercising their franchise in favour of the Indian National Congress The main question is to administer all these years but also their forefathers the Ciuntry in a proper manner fought and died for Independence. So, and for this purpose people arg 323 Motion Re : Thirty^ MARCH 29, 1985 Memorandum 324 Second and Thirty-Third on cases o f Reports of the Union Non-Acceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men- with Government's tioned therein— Contd. appointed as members of the Public Service Commission will reveal the Service Commission. A ‘small article types of persons appointed therein— had appeared in the Economic Times of 9th July, 198 3. I woule like to [English] give exccepts from it. An officer belonging to a State [English'] Government was appointed by the Ministry of Railways to the post of Asst. The Bane of Public Scrvice Com- Director Ollicial Langut’ges, in the missions : 9-7-84. One of the major Railway Board on ad hoc basis with causes of deterioration in civil effect from May 1, 1 975. On September administration in Punjab and Haryana 1, 197 6 the Ministry of Railways is the politicalisation of public scrvice sought the concurrence of the commissions resulting in appointment of Commi'^sion in the continuance of the favourites ?.s Chairman and members of ad hoc appointment of the officer upto these august bodies which are supposed November 30, 1976. In reply to the to select the j ight type of civil servants Commission’s letter dated September and establish healthy conventions. 30, 1 976 in which certain information was called for, the Ministry stated that A study on ‘Public Service Com- the draft recruitment lules for the post missions in Punjab and Haryana— were being finalised and would be sent Organisations, functions and rote, reveals to the Commission for their approval. that academic qualifications w^ere not at all kept in view' while making the [ Translation! appointments of selectors. For instance, a politician, a favourite of the then Chief Minister, who had no formal education Secondly, the Government do not make an appointment when they do not at all, remained a member of the Public get men of their choice and instead Service Commission in Punjab for 5 years and later on as Chairman of the ad hoc appointments are made. For years together, no rules, policy and Haryana Pub ic Service Commission for 6 years. Referring to the academic bye-laws are framed. The Public Service and socio economic background of tho Commission writes to the Government Chairman, the study says that in Punjab to frame bye-lows and apprises it about them but the Government do not bother. only one Chairman possessed the degree of Master of Arts one had ihs degree Thereafter, ad hoc appointments are of LL.B one had the degree of Bachelor made. If you look into it you will find that cases keep on pending for as of Education while three others v/ gt c graduates only. Out of 23 members long as two years. appointed during tho period from 19 66 to 1982 one was undermatrlculate, one [ English'] was intermediate in science, five were Those draft rules were never sent. graduates, one was a trained graduate, five were post-graduates, five were law The appointment of the Officer on ad one was M.Sc (Engs') and hoc basis was confitiumft Mpto one was B.Sc (Engg). Dccembcr, 1977. This is the condition. [Translation] [ Translaiion]

The appointments made in the Public You do not wjint to make the Pqblic 325 Motion Re : Thirty" CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Memorandum 326 Second and ThMy-Third on cases of Reports o f the Union Non-Acceptance Public Service of Commission's Commission along Advice Men’ with Government's tioned therein— Cotitd.

(t Service Commission honest. In the first "As stated in sub-para (i) above, insance, you should appoint persons of Commission could not find suitable integrity and dedicated persons. What candidates for 352 posts at different has led to deterioration in the Public levels requiting speuialisatior. in Service Commissions ? They tender different fields. Of these, 112 posts their advice umpteen times and quote were reserved for Scheduled Castes, from the rules but you simply do not and 117 for Scheduled Tribes and 18 eare. The policy of the Government for either Scheduled Castes or to make ad hoc appointments is wrong. Scheduled Tribes. The remaining You do not frame rules of recruitment. 10 5 posts were unreserved. The They arc not laid on the Tabic of the details of these posts are given in House. There is a mandatory Appendix IX to this Report.” provision that rules and regulations should be framed within six months PROE. N.G. RANGA : It requires and laid on the Table of tiie House. But special training. Is it not so ? you want to appoi it your own people in the servico and so you make ad hoc appointments. There are instances SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : where such appointments continued Nothing. The report says that this is for as long as ten years. A pcrufsal of the condition. the Report reveals how appointments are made and no period is fixed for them. [Translation] You keep on extending the ad hoc appointments. The Public Scrvice Commission repeatedly reminds that Now tell us what the mode of recruit- such things should be avoided, but you ment h. Some are made Collectors do not care. You may see the answer forthwith, some are made so after some page 32. I wou.d like that every Report months and some are retained on the should be discussed every year. Today, same posts. The Public Service we are discussing two Resorts, wou'd CommisR'on says that it seeks clarifica- like to know why this Report has been tion fr

to find out within the 2 to 4 minutes Commission. Secondly, as my hon. for which the Public Scrvicc Com- friend Shri Djga mentioned, ad hoc mission holds the interview? It is appointments are made in many c.ises generally soud today that recommenda- and they continue for years. This is tion is needed to get a job through the mjre say in cases ot medical and Public Service Commission. You c.tn engineering departments. get a job only if you have the pull. This is the corditions. It i? written in the Report of the Public Service Lately, we find that the selection in Commisson that the Government also do the main Services by the Union Public not give ihcir clearance and they (the Service Commission shows a trend that Comm'ssior) also do not agree with the majority of the people in Delhi or GDvernm:nt. There is no coordination around D^lhi get selcctcd and it appears between them. Members cannot go as if the Central Services are the mono- throujlv the Report thoroughly This poly of some priviligcd classes. Like Repoit .Hho'*'s that the Government are monopoly hou^'-cs, business houses, there not serious about the performance. are monopoly services houses also. In This way the administration of the some families, the father and mother are Country cannot become efficient, honest retired IAS officers, son and d-iu^hther- ar.d dedicated. If you want progress in in-law as also daughter and son-in-law the country, then honest and dedicated are IAS officers or in some Central persons would hcwe to be brought to Service. streamline the administration, otherwise things will not improve. Now we have The entire family is in the Central a law Minister. He should bring honest Scrvice. persons here. PROF. N. G. RANGA : But they [ English] are selected. Is it not so ?

SHRl VIJAY N. PATIL (Erandol) ; SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL : Yes. But it Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, in the firsi becomes a monopoly service. That is place, I would like to suggest that the why 1 want to mt.in!ain, as my friends number of members on the Public on the other side have said that the Service Commission should be increased majority that gets selected comes from because of tremendous task before the Delhi, Rajasthan, Punjab and mostly Commission. Secondly, in my opinion, from Allahabad University also. Sir, if reference of cases for dssciplinaiy action we take the figure of persons who have to the Commission is an additional appeared in the exam-inations. burden on it. Wiih the formation of a separate Ministry, certain machinery can be provided there to whom cases MR. d e p u t y SPEAKER ; Only one for disciplinary action against persons minute is left. Will the hon. member recruited through the Commission like to finish or continue some other could be referred. time ? You sec, we have to take up the Private Members’ Business. We find that the formation of depart- mental promotion committees is delayed SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL : I will because of the heavy burden on the continue on Mor.day, Sir. 329 Constitution CHAITRA 8, 1907 Constitution 3 ib (Amendment) Bill {.Amendment) Bill

~~MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Now we SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: will take up Private Members Business. Other things can be taken afterwards. First, Bills for introduction. Why not ? It is the practice.~~

~~{Interruptions) 15.32 hrs. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; If you do not want to tiiscuss, I will cull the~~

CONSTrrUTION (AMENDMENT) Minister to reply. If you want to BILL. discuss, I will extend the time. I leave it to the House to decide. I (Insertion of new article 16A etc.) want to seek the opinion of the House.

[English] SHSI SURESH KURUP ; There are certain prac.ices. Members who have SHRI G- M. BANATWALLA given their names to participate in the (Ponnani) : Sir, I beg to move that lei ve Deb:ite, can participate. be granted to introduce a Bill further 10 amend the Constitution of India. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : That is why I am seeking the opinion. One MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The member srys he is interested in extension. But the other says ^lo’. question is :

SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : You “That leave be gianted to intro* apply your mind. duce a Bill further to amend the Constitution of Irdia,” MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I can do that. But I want to seek your opinion, The motion was adopted. I told you.

SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA ; Sir. I introduce the Biil. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY : Sir, you know that Private Members Business is too long. Most of those members who have tibleU their Bills, should be given a ch:ince to speak (CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) something. BILL‘D contd. {Interruptions) (Amendment of Eighth Schedule) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Please MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Before sit down. The problem is, nobody is vvo take up further discussion on the restiictirg his time. I restrict them to Constitution (Amendment) Bill by Shii ten or tivo minutes, but everybody Satyagopal Misra, I would like to remind takes half an hour and so on. They go the House that out of two hours on talking. that is allotted, one hour and fifty-seven minutes are over. Shall we extend the AN HON, MEMBER : You regulalo time by one hour. the House.

SHRIC. MADHAV REDDY But MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; 1 tim then the other business will suffer. ready to do it. I want to help (ho ^31 Conslhuiion MARCH 29, 1985 Consthution 3 32 {Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

Members. But they should cooperate [Translation^ with me also. This age limit of 65 years, I thmk, SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA ; How IS not justified. many members arc there to speak ? {English] MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : There are four. • SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA : Sir, he 'S speaking on a different Bill. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA : Allow these four to speak, bul do not permit PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : the fifth one. Why should one be so When I was speaking on the Calling rigid ? Attention motion, the same thing happened. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Okay. I request you to bo brief.' Nt-w we will MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; Now go according to the time schedule. Mr. K.D. Sultanpuri.,

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER : There are four Members. That is all. Mr. Vyas {Translation] • will now speak, but only five minutes are allowed. SHRT K. D. SULTANPURI (Simla) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to say SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS : something about the Nepali L.ir.guage Whithin five minutes, how can I do jus- Bill, It was mentioned here that 10 tice to the subject ? ' l-kh Nepali speaking people were living in India and that they were citizens of India and, aa such, their Nepali MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : What- language should beincluded in the ever is spoken thereafter will not go on Constitution. record. The first beil I give will be a warning, After the second bell, nothing So far as Nepal is are concerned, will be recorded. they are very brave and nice people. At different places, Nepal is speak diffe- {Translation] rent languages, some speak Bhutani, some Sikkimi and some Bengali. Nepalis have also settled in Arunachal, Himachal SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS and Kashmir. The objective behind (Bhi’wara) : Mr. Djputy Speaker, Sir, moving this Bill is to get votes of I have two suggestions to make with Nepalis living in Dajjeeling ard regard to the Constitution Amendment Bengal. It is only for this purpose Bill movtd by Shri Mishra. First, he that they wantNcpîli to be on the has mentioned ab^ût ‘Right to Employ Statute Book. ment’ m Section 18-A, It reads— ^ We respect all the languages. All the [EnglislA t languages of the South are spoken in India. Government are taking steps to “ Every citizen of India within promote those languages. So far as the the age limit of eighteen years to National Language is concerned, it is only sixty-five years shall have the right to Hindi, although have included Tamil, employment...... Telugu, Malyalara, etc, in the Corstitu' 3 33 ' Constitution CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Constitution 334 {Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Dill tion. It is not proper to sr\y ihr.t I would request the hon. Minister, Government are not doing justice to who has introduced this Bill to amend the provisions of tho Constitution. the constitution, to withdraw it. It is in the interest of the people that they should rcspect all our national languages. I would like to submit it is not With these words, I conclude and thank correct that 10 lakh Ncpalis live in you for giving me an appoitunity to India. Nepali language, as they speaks speak. is written in Devanagri. Pahari L.n" guage is spoken in our Hiraachal Pradesh. The population of Pahari [ English] speaking people is 42 lakhs. They also want their language to be brought SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY on the Statute Book. They have an (Mitlnapore) : I support the conclusion of Academy of their own, of which Mr. Nepali Lantûage in the Eighth Schedule. Parashar is the Vicc-President. I Ihir.k, Nepali Language in an Indian language. it wou’d not be a healthy practice to Since is it spoken in Nepal, so it is not go on increasing the number of langu- an Indian Language, I think, comrade ages, whereby every person could say Ashok Da would not agree with this. that bis language should be included in Bengali is very mucli spoken in Bangladesh the constitution. It is a stumt to wia and also in West B. ngal; that does not votes. It is only a question ef their mean that Bengali Lenguage is not an exploitation. Indian Language. So, this comparison is wrong. This was what sometimes Mr. Morarji Desai slated. I know you also My submission is that all the langu- do not agree with this. We think it is ages are beautiful languages, whether an Ind'an Uinguagc and it should find a it is Bengali or any other language. In place in the Eighth Schedule. India various languages are spoken and dialects vary from village to village and from area to area. How will it be What is being feared and apprehanded justified to put all of them on the is that no sooner will Nepali be Statute Book ? We have to develop included this list than the Pandora’s a National Language and being the Box will be opened and other people citizcns of one nation, we should learn also will start clamouring that their all the languages/ We want to learn languages should also get a place in the Bengali, Mîlayalam and Telugu as well. Eighth Schedule. I think that this They are all dear to us. They should be great national movement of India should promoted in their respective areas, from never be afraid of this. It so hf.ppcns; where you are to solicit votes. Every it is bound to happen. These who are Nepali speaking person should know dormant today, will rise tomorrow, it. You should raise this issue in the those languages are today neglected, wiil State Assembly, so that this language be having good languages tomorrow. is taught in tho school there. India is a multilingual State. Many languages shall be coming, say the language of the Santhalis, who are National Languages are being given backward today, say, other languages their proper status. It has been the which are backward today, shall grow endeavour of the Government to enrich and definitely they shall fight for their them further, I am not prepared to inclusion; and that would not violate the accept the allegation that the Govern- status oi Ir.dia as a Republic, It is only ment are not paying proper attention to the chauvinistic attitude of the Hind - thcn^. speaking people which is stan

SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: I am Already, you have accepted Stndhi in not speaking about common script now. the Eighth schedule. At lc?.st, there are nnore number of Nepalis in India who speak Nepali than the peopl e who Even in the 1980 Congress Election speak Sindhi. I do not know; I think Manifesto they wanted that Nepali Prof. Rangn can tell me whether should be included. I think at that money played a part or not, bccause time they had to defeai the Janta Sindhis are rich people; So, their Government, because Janata Psrty was language could be ircUidcd. Bu! poor in power in 1977-79, and they included Nepalis, agricnllural labourers, arc fight- this thinking that if they includes it they ing for your indcpendercc, are fighting could get votes. And ShrimPti Indira on the borders of your State; why Gandhi whenever she want to Darjeeling— should you not include their langnagc in I understand Shri Morarji Bhai, he was the Eighth Schedule ? If you can- a frank and forthright man, whatever he accept Sindhij why can’t we accept understood, he used to speak very Nepali ? Why should we not agree ? frankly—she mentioned it. But it is the so-callcd great men with hypoeritic feelings who whenever they were in Shri Priya Ranjan D.is Munsi sp^ko Darjeeling favoured Nepali to be of one language and he mentioned that included in the Eighth Schedule. In the in the Sovif't Union all people arc West Bengal Assembly these Congress learning Russian. This is not true. In people had passed a unanimous re’ the Soviet Union, every Russian is solution stating that Nepali should be compelled to learn one more Russian included in the Eighth schedule. But language, and all non*Russians, are when they C( me here they say that it requested to learn the Russian language. cannot be done. So, this hypocrisy of Understand the difference. AU Russian the ruling party I fail to understand. people must learn one Russian language But I request them, the Sun will not and of e.ich nor.-Russian, it is expccted fall from heavens, there will be no earth thist he will learn the Russian Language. tremors if Nepali is accepted. Wo request the Law Minister that Nepali should be immediately accepted . AN HON. MEMBER ; It is not compulsory. PROF. N. G. RANGA ; No, no.

SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : It is not compulsory. So, what has hap- SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: You pened is that the Russian Language is may say ‘No’. You are giving birth to learnt by every body. So, everybody fissiparous tendencies. It is Nepali knows Russian. Here, had we followed today, tomorrow there will be some that principle, today Hindi would have other people, they may feel that they are been accepted by the entire country. debarred from getting their fights. But Because the Hindi chauvinistwalas have fissiparous tendencies, these things deve- tried to force Hindi on the South Indians lop from these areas, tilly areas, back- and on the Easnern Part of India, 80 ward areas, when a people feel that their there was a difference. If you really language, their rights are being curtailed, love Hindi, follow the principle of the when they think that 'we are not p^irt of Soviet Union and you will see that Hindi India, our rights are being curtailed*, will gradually spread. therefore, recjuest the hon. Law 337 Constitution CHAITRA 8, 1907 {SAKA) Canstitution 338 {.Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

Minister to kindly accept Nepali for But if you judge by the size, you will inclusion in the Eighth Schedule, see that these are small States and Union Heavens will not fall if it is included. Territories, most of them much smaller Only the chauvinistic Hindi-speaking, than districts in Uttar Pradesh. The people do not want it. Kindly do not fact is that, there were other considera- prevent it. It will do more harm than tions. There are language groups other good, than Nepali. Manipuri, I think, by any consideration. On (op of other languages in the consideration because MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I think it has been the language of the CDUrt everybody is cooperating well, and and administration, the langu:“ge of the finishing in less than five minutes, even masses and also has a very developed three or four minutes, I think this literature in the State of Manipur. Since should be maintained for nulure also. early days this has been the language of an independent State, an independent Shri Tombi Singh. Kingdom, before the merger, on integration with the great Indian SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH (Inner Union, This demand for inclusion of Mnnipuri in the 8th schedule has been Manipur) : Mr. Deputy-Spcaker, this hanging fire for so many decades. Bill has got a very special importanc, When we demanded statehood, we also because the amendment of the Eighth demanded that Manipuri lar-guage should Schedule has been demand- d from many be included in the Eighth Schedule. language groups. So, when we consider Then our leaders said that all the things Nepaii there are other languages. should not be asked at a time although Naturally, therefore, we look for a there were justifications for that. They leadership a national thinking, through assured that they would do it at the which we shall see lh» nation compre- right time. Where is the right time ? hensively. The amendment of the Eighth Schedule should be opened. Arguments aro mado 1 recall when we, the States and Ur ion that the Eighth Schedule is too big. If Territories in the North-East, were the Eighth Schedule can have 15 demanding separate administration and languages, it can very well have 16 or separate States, many in the country 17 languages also. That should be were like the proverbial six as blind men our consideration. Now, the question seeking an elephant, they only saw their is : what should be the criteria ? I am nearest parts and described the elephant not opposed to Nepali. Similarly, I am accordingly. But through the great not opposed to other languages. comprehensive eyes of Pandit Whatever languages have been recog- Jawaharlal Nehru and his able suc- nised by the Sahitya Akademy should be cessors Shastriji and later Shrimati token for the purposes of the Eighth Indiraji, the North-East was reorganised. Schedule, as they have been recognised That brought together the North-East on academic merit. Either increase the region, giving birth to States like number of languages in the Eighth Manipur, Nagaland, Meghalaya and Schedule as suggested by many hon. Tripura. Members, if all these languages are to be retained, then we have to include Manipuri, and other deserving languages PROF. N. G. RANGA : Mizoram and in the Eighth Schedule or remove all the Arunachal Pradesh. other languages except Hindi and English. Let us discuss it in a comprehensive SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH ; Mizoram manner. I would like to appeal to the and Arnnachal Pradesh wer* mado national leadership, the able lucccwors Union Territories. of Pan^iiji, Shastriji and Indiraji, and 339 Constitution MARCH 29, 1985 Constitution 340 {Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

now at the helm of affairs, Shri Rajivji THE MINISTER OF LAW AND to see the national interest comprehensi- JUSTICE (SHRI A.K. SEN) : Mr. vely and avoid seeing things like the Deputy Speaker, Sir, there has been lot proverbial six blind men describing, of misunderstanding about the utility ?nd different parts of the elephant. Ours is function of Articls 344 to which the a big country. Let us see the Eighth Eighth Schedule is attached. Articific Schedule comprehensively and amend 3 44 has been inserted only for a specific i t to include Manipuri, and other pjrpose, namely, to name certain languages which deserve a place in that. languages only for the purpose of Number should not be the criteria, but throwing colour, for the_ enrichment of the criteria should be something Hindi, and for no other purpose. May else. Dr. Suniti Kumar Chatterjee, a I read Article 344 for the benefit of the great linguist, who was not a Manipuri, House once more : said that in spite of the smallness of the population speaking Manipuri, it is one ''344. (l) The President shall, of the richest languages of the country. at the expiration of five years from Population-wise we are not small We the commencement of this have about two million Manipuris in Ihe Constitution and thereafter at the country. This is the offic ial langu'.igc expiration of ten years from such of a Stale and medium of instruction commencement.. and examination upto the secondary, For the purpose of ten years, we go stage. It is a subject in the honours back to January, 1960, and I remember studies. One can study M. A., M, Phil that this Commission was set up when in that. This is the language of the I was in charge of Law Ministry in courts in Manipur. This language has 1960— a history beginning with the ancient times followed by medieval, modern and ‘'by order constitute a contemporary. We have a rich store- Commission which shall consist of a house of literature covering departments Chairman and such other members like translations, original writings. It representing the different languages covers the entire Hindu Vcdic literature specified in the Eighth Schedule...... ” in translation beginning with the Vedas, the Upnishads, the Puranas, the Gita, A commission'^is to be set up by the the Ramayana, the Mahabharta, We President after len years from the have the translation of books by great commencement of the Constitution writers in Bengali, Hindi, English and representing the eight I’nguistc groups other Indian languages. Its original pro- mentioned in Schtdule Eight, and for ducts cover novels, dramas, essays, poems what purpose ? That is mentioned in and stories. So this language deserves on sub-Article (2) : its own rightj not as a special consid;ration, inclusion in the Eighth Schedule. *'(2) It shall be the duty of the Therefore, this should be considered on Commission to make recommendations top of other aspirant languages. It is to the President...... ** imperative that our national leadership should not prolong this because if we go This is the duty, for making recommen- on prolonging it for long, we shall only dations to the Piesident. And for whai be inviting agitations and revolution purpose ? which oiir late Prime Minister felt was no more necessary. If you do not like agitations, we should h?ve consideration .as to— at the literary, academic and gentlemanly level of discussion. We expect that (a) the progressive use of the some positive action will be taken in Hindi language for the ofQcial this direction. purposes of the Unioq.’* 341 ConUitution Crt/V ITRA 8, 1907 iSAKA) Constitution 342 iAmendmer.t) Bill {Amendment) Bill

Not for the progressive use of any of the Council of States in accordance other language. This Coramission will with the system of proportional recomm«nd measures to the President representation...... ” for the progressive use of Hindi in different parts of India. it further You will find that this is only for that says purpose. For the purpose of u5e of particular languages which are confined ** (b^ restrictions on the use of to particiilur geographical areas, provi* the English language for all or any of sion has been made very caicfully in the official purposes of the Union.” Articles 345 and 347 of the Constitution.

~~Not of the States— 16.00 hrs.~~

“(c) the language to be used for This is what is lost sh^ht of when all or any of the purposes mentioned everybody thinks that every language in article 3 48; must come in the Eighth Schedule. Now let us see article 345. (d) the form of numerals to be used for any one or more specified “Subject to th« provisions of purposes of the Union; articles 346 and 347, the jLegislature of a State may by law.. (e) any other matter referred to the Commission.. That brings in Nepali, a language spoken in the northern part of Bengal, which is And in making the recommendation, callcd Darjeeling district. Lepcha is a what they have to take into account is language spoken by a large group specified in sub-Article (3)— inhabiting these areas. Then we have the Nepali group, the Sikkim group and “(3) In making their recommen- the Bhutia group. All these four languages arc spoken in that district. In dations under clause (2), the Com- Sikkim, we have Sikkimese and Nepali. mission shall have due regard to the Now the Nepalese and Sikkimese say : industrial, cultural and scientific advancement of India, and the just let us come to the Eighth Schedule. Arliele 345 makes them the official claims and the. interests of persons belonging to the non-Hindi speaking language for that particular area. It says : ares in regard to the public services.” “ ...... the Legislature of a State So, here it comes,that their recommen- may by law adopt any one or more dations have to be also in keeping with of the languages in use in the State,” the interest of the non-Hindi speaking areas and that includes Nepali-speaktng Not in the Eighth Schedule. Therefore, areas like Darjeeling, Sikkim and so on. the use of any language in a particular And sub-Article (4) says— State, having regard to the particular linguistic groups inhabitng, that State, “(4) Thera shall be constituted is not arovjrned by the Eighth Schedule a Committee consisting of thirty at all; it is governed by article 345, and members, of whom twenty shall be the State has to enact a law, prescribing members cf the House of the People the use of the particular langugge in and ten shall be members of the that State. Council of States to be elected respectively by the members of the May I aay here that Shri Narayan House of the People and the members Choubey had a dig at the ruling party; 343 Constitution MARCH 29, 1585 Constitution 3 44 {Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

I do not mind that dig at all, because name of the party is Telugu Desom, we are uesd to digs and counter digs. But may 1 remind him that in West SHRI A.C. SEN : It is the same ; Bengal the Government is being run by Andhra will remain 'Andhra. Andhra a Front called the Left Front, the chief will remain A'ldhra, the old land of constituent of which is the CPM. My Satavyhanas. They were great in Indian hon. friend’s party is alsj a cjnstituent history. There was a tim? when Sata- of that Front. That Government has vahanas had over-run the entire country. passed a law, prescrib'ng the use of the And about Chalukias there is a wonder- Nepalese language in three districts, ful painting, which you still find in Ellora namely, the districts of Dujoeling, and Ajanta and other p'aces. Kalimpong and Kurseon. In thcs; areas, let mo say agoin, in th:sc sub-divisions, Anyway, India is proud of all, Bengali is spoken by a fairly large including Nepal. We are proud of number, Sikkimsse is spoken in Nep.^li. They are part of our popu- Darjeeling Sub-Division by a fairly lar^e lation. B it let u> not get mixed up as nunib:r, Bhutia is spoken by a faiily ws got mixed up iii Pu ijab politics with large number, Nepali is spoken by a all types of sentimental questions You fairly large number and Lcpcha a will find Gurumukhi is not included in spokfjn by Lepchis, who are workers in the Scheduled VIII and still it is the the tea gardens and other areas. But official language of Puijab. Therefore, that G.wo.nmcnt has not prescribed misunderstanding has arisen b:cause one the usj of Nepali for the entire State. does not notice the purpose of the It is a very significant i'lct. I am not Schedule VIII and one does not notice having a dig at them. They did not do Article 345 and Article 347, which it b-cause to say that Nepali would prescribe the procedure for making a be used in the areas where Santlul is particular small linguistic group enjoy spoken would be a monstrosity, bscause a particular language in their own area, that is an area where there is hard y and, if necessary in the entire State. Arti- any Ntpalcse-speaking Nepali. Thit cle 345 gives that power to the State. is why they have reslriclcd the use of Now, the West Bengal Government ha^ Nepali as an official language in these not used that power. 1 cm sure the three sub-divisions. official language in Manipur is Manipuri. That is according to Article 3 45. But In Sikkim the majjrity of the their non-inclusion in Schedule VIII has pDpulatioQ is Nep.ili-speaking. but there not prevented them from becoming the is a v'ery substantial minority of official language. Now, Article 347 is Silfkimese-spcaking people. As you very important. It says : know, the ruling family is Sikkimese. They have a sizable population of Sikkimese-speaking people. Besides “On a demand being made in that, there are Hindi-spsaking and thut behalf, the President may, if he Bergali-speaking people als.>. Therefore, is satisfied that a substantial propor- in Sikkim, ur.der article 345, they have tion of the population of a State prcscribcd Sikkimese as' the ofl5cial desires the use of any language language, as you have Tamil as the spoken by them to be recogniscd by official language in Tamil Nadu, that State, direct that such language Kannada as the official language in shall alsD be officially recognised Karnataka, Tclugu as • the official throughout that State.” language in Andhra Pradesh or Telugu Dcsom, Marathi as the official language SHRI G.M, BANATWALLA; in Maharashtra and Gujarati as the Nothing happens bccause of that Article. official language in Gujarat. A very big memorandum wiih lakhs and lakhs of signatures was presented to the MR DEPUTY SPEAKER : Only the then President of India with re&pect to 345 Constitution CHAITRA 8, 1907 i s AKA) Constitution 346 {Amendment) Bill {^Amendment) Bill the status of Urdu in U.P. No reply SHRI A.K. SEN : The hon. Member till now. is forgetting that guarantee of language is in Article 29, where every sect and SHRI ASHOK SEN : I am telling you every segment of the population has the because you have not fjilowed the freedom to pursue their own language ingredients of Article 347. Ingredient and to develop their own language. The is ‘substantinl proportion of the popu- hon. Member may kindly read Article lation’ Now, population in U.P, was 29. Therefore, Article 347 is a power, about seven crores in UP. The sub- not a guarantee. Guarantee is a limi- stantial proportion should heive been at tation on the power. This is the least fifty per cent. That means at least difficulty when we get mixed up with the number should have been three and emotions in interpretation of the Con- a half crores to make it substantial stitution. Therefore, Article 29 reads : proportion. Lakhs should not mean three and a half crores. The hon. "Any section of the citizcns Member is forgetting arithmetic. The residing in the territory of India or p.')pulatiori of UP at present is eleven any part thereof hcvng a distinct crores. Therefore, eleven crores makes language, script or cultuie of its own it worse for the hon. Member. At least shall hive ih^ right to conserve the five and a half crores must make the same.” representation So, the language of Article 347 is what I have stated just now, but Article 345 removes even that That is the guarantee. Therefore, I have limitation. According to Art'cle 345, appeared for many min.irity linfiu'stic the State l.egisUnure mi.y pass a law groups, as for instance, the Arya Samaj even though there is no ‘substantial’ group in Pu j.ib. When the Hindi demand. Therefore, Article 347 is again language was sought to be abolished lost sight of. from certain schools as medium of instruction, the Supicmc .Court struck it down on the g our.d that the Arya I know about this because I have a Samaj community which fpcaks Hindi substantial number of Urdu-speaking must have the guarantee to conserve Muslims in Calcutta and they have their culture and script. And there is always told me what the hon. Member another langu -.gs; like that. If you look tells me. Now, I cannot convince them, at Article 26, it siiys : but I can ccnvince the hon. Member that ‘^substantial number means substantial number and not only a small ‘^Subject to public order, number. morality and heaith, every religious denomination or any scction thereof SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA : • In shall have the righi— that case guarantee has no meaning because 'substantial* you put at three (a) to establish and maintain and a half crorcs, when Urdu-speaking institutions for relig'.ous and charitable population in UP was about two crores purposes; and more than forty lakhs of people had given signatures to the then Presi- (b) to manage its own affairs in dent of India. matters of religion;” and so on.

SHRI A.K. SEN : Article 347 is not Many religious institutions in U.P. a guarantee. It is a power, and other places carry on instructions through Urdu. That cannot be prevented. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA : It is Secondly, Article 14 is another guarantee paper guarantee in that case. which says...... 347 Constitution MARCH 29, 1985 Constitution 348 {Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

SHRl N. TOMBI SINGH : Sir, I am an overwhelming number of people as on a point of order, I will submit that in Sikkim - take; for instance, Sikkim— we are not makind submissions before a a majority of paople there are Nepalese- court of law. Wo are making submissions speaking, abjut 51 per cent of the before a forum which can make law, population. Supposing thgri in the Nepali or Manipuri or Konkuni. There Eighth Schedule. What was the reply is no logic ia that. I do not think of the Government at that time ? that the Eighth Schedule is a complete Please go through the records. At that list. time, it was told by the Government that they would develop a national Certain criteria should be taken into consensus to settle the matter as early consideration while including a language as possible. This is on record. Now, in the Eighth Schedule. Thjre are so the hon. Law Minister is referring to many languages in our country and all certain articles of the Constitution, the Inaguages have made their valuable My question is: Was the then Law contribution to our national integration, Minister who intervened in the debate to our composite cultur Every language not aware of those articles of the is flourishing. When a language comss Constitution ? At that time, it was to a certain stage of development and categorically said that a national fulfils certain criteria, at that appropriate consensus will be developed within a very time that language should be included short time. in the Eighth Schedule. That is the major consideration. What stage of But five years have gone and now the development Sindhi reached in 1967, hon. Law Minister without making any you cannot deny what the Nepali point, any argurae.it, is asking me to language has^ achieved today. Certain withdraw the Bill. criteria should be there. When any language in India achieves a certain Other things are also there. Shri stage of development, then that language Mool Chand Da^a an^ Shri K- I)- 353 Constitution CHAITR\ 8. 1907 Constitution 354 {Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

SaUanpuri have, in Iheir own style, tal- (Jadavpur) : That is not true. It is ? ked of course about th^ vote banks. It commitment of the West Bsngal Left is not the Opposition party who through Front Government before elections. all these things go for votes. It is you The only demand is that the question who want to exploit the situation. papers for Urdu people should be set in Urdu language. It is the Urdu people I want to refer to one thing m West who agitated and demanded. CPI (M) Bengal Legislative Assembly. On 2nd is trying to politically malign it. June, 1977 unanimous resolution was accepted by the West Bengal Legislative SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA ; It Assembly requesting the union govern- is after all in the newspaper. You will ment to include Nepali in the 8th be astonished to know that instead of Schedule, of which Congress party...... the popular song— {Interruptions) Saare Jaban se achha Hindustan hamara That was the concensus in West Bengal and here you are saying that ws now they are saying- are going for votes and all that. I will add some more thirgs :>lso. In 1980, Ur dust an hamara in West Bengal, this demand found place in the Congross-T manifesto itself. Are you to tolerate all these things ? Now you are saying this cannot bo done. Who are going for votes ? KUMARI MAMTA BANERJEE : There is no political motive in that at all. Whenever the Prime Minister went . over to Darjeeling or Gangtok, Sikkim, he said that they accept this is principle MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Let him and that they will look into the finish. matter. SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA : I They always say in that manner there have full respect to the hon. Lady and here they are saying something Member. opposite to that. So, I want to remind ■s Shri Mool Chand Daga and Shri K. D. {Interruptions)*^*' Sultanpuri that we are not hankering after votes. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I do not allow all these things. I want to point out here the recent development in West Bengal. X have a {Interruptions)^'^ newspaper The Telegraph of 27th ins* tant. The aghatlon is going on there MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Don’t for Urdu language, to accjpt Urdu go out of track. language in West Bengal as the second official language. Some MLAs of the SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA : In Congress party are with that movement. West Bengal for having some votes, Here you are saying one thing and in they arc supporting that Urdustan ard the countryside you are saying another all that. thing. Then I come to Mr. Priya Ranjan KUMARl MAMTA BANARJEE Das Munsi. He uttered one sentence

'*‘*Not recordc^. 355 ConstituHon MARCH 29, 1985 Constitution 356 {Amendment) Bill {.Amendment) Bill that he supported the Bill, but in the I put the consideration Motion to the coui"se of the discussion, he actually vote of the House, this being a Consti- opposed the Bill; he look much more tution Amcp.dment Bili, voting has to time for advocating Hindi. I have no be by division. Let the lobbies be objection to the Hindi language, but cleared. this is not the occasion to discuss the development of Hii di or taking Hindi Now the hobbies have been clearcd. or English as the link language of our The Question is: country, “That the Bill further to amend Taking all these things into considera- the Constitution of India be taken tion, we comc to the conclusion (h;vt it into Consitution.” is high time that we came to a consensus and included the Nepali largu- The Lok Sabha divided. agc as another language in the Eighth Schedule. The Law Minister is here; the Minister c>f Slate in the Ministry AYES of Home Affairs is also here. Please go through the record of the last Lok Sabha. Five years have passed. Do 1. Banatwala, Shri G. M. not wait any more. I agree with Mr. Tombi Singh that ‘waiting’ means in- 2. Bhoopathy, Shri G. viting more confrontation and agitation. It is high time that we accommodate 3. Chubey, Shri Narayan some more languages and in the pro- 4. Chowdhury, Shri Saifuddin cess included the Nepali language also. 5. Dandavate, Prof. Madhu

6. Ghosh Goswami, Shrimati Bibha I offer my thanks to the hon. Mem- bers who have taken part in this dis- 7. Iyer, Shri V. S. Krishna cussion, and I appeal to. all the hon. Members of this House, I appeal to the 8. Kabuli, Shri Abdul Rashid whole House, to accept my Bill. 9. Misra, Shri Satyagopal MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; Mr. Daga, are you withdrawing your amend- 10. Penchalliah, Shri P. ment ? 11. Rao, Shri Srihari SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : Yes, Sir, I want to withdraw it. 12. Riyan, Shri Baju Ban 13. Roypradhan, Shri Amar The amendment was, by leave, withdrawn. 14. Saha, Shri Ajit Kumar MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Mr. Satyrigopal Misra, are you prcssirg ? 15. Tiraky, Shri Piyus

SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA : Yes, NOES Sir. I want that this Bill should be passed. I appeal (o all the hoo. Membsrs to vote for it. Abdul Ghafoor, Shri A2 ad, Shri Ghulam Nabi MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; Before Baghel, Shri pratapsingh 357 Constitution CHAITRA 8, 190i iSAKA) Constitution 3^8 (.Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

Bairagi, Shri Balkavi Parashar, Prof. Narain Chand Banerjee, Kumiri Mamta Paswan, Shri Ram Bhagat Bassavaraju, Shri G. S. Pilot, Shri Rajesh Bhagat, Shri H. K. L. Pushpa Devi, Kumari Bharat Singh, Shri Qureshi, Shri Aziz Bhardwaj, Shri Parasram Ram, Shri Ramswaroop Birinder Singh, Shri Ranga, Prof. N. G. Ranganath, Shri K. H. Charles, Shri A. Rao, Shri K. S. Daga, Shri Mool Chand Rath, Shri Somnath Digvijay Sinh, Shri Sen, Shri A. K. Fernandes, Oscar Sethi, Shri Ananta Prasad GadgU, Shri V. N. Shankaranand, Shri B. Gomango, Shri Giridhar Shastri, Shri Hari Krishna Gupta, Shrimati Prabhawati Siddiq, Shri Hafiz Mohd. Jain, Shri Dalchander Sidnal, Shri S. B. Jain, Shri Virdhi Chander Singh, Shri Lai Vijay Pratap Janarthanan, Shri Kjidambur Sinha, Shrimati Ram Diilari Khan, Shri Moiid. Ayub Sultanpuri, Shri K. D. Kbirhar, Shri R. S. Tcwary, Prof. K. K. Kujur, Shri Maurice Tigga, Shri Simon Kuppuswamy, Shri C. K. Tombi Singh, Shri N. Mahabir Prasad, Shri Vy.is, Shri Girdhari Lai Mahajan, Shri Y. S. Yadav, Shri Shyam Lai Mallick, Shri Lakshman Yadava, Shri D. P. Misra, Dr. Prabhat Kumar Yogcshwar Prasad, Shri. Mohanly, Shri Brajamohan Murlhy,Shri M. V. Char.drashekara MR DEPUTY SPEAKER : Subject Nawal Prabhakar, Shrimati Sundar- to correction*", the result of the Division wati is : Neekhara, Shri Rameshwar Nehru, Shri Arun Kumar Ayes 15 Nirmala Kumari, Prof. Pandey, Shri Manoj Noes 6 3 Panigrahi, Shri ChintamAni The motion is not carried by the Panlka, Shii Ram Pyare required majority.

* AYES : The following Members also recorded their votes. S/Shri S.M. Bhatam, Manik Reddy, A.J.V.B. Maheshwara Rao, Dr. Chinia Mohan, C. Sambu, Dr, G. Vija y Rama Rao :

NOES : S/Shri H.B. Patil, Radhakanta Digal, K.R. Jangde, Jujhar Singh, Tilakdhari Singh, Kalicharan Ram Ratan, M.R. Janardhana. 359 Constitution MAR6H 1985 Constitution 3 60 {Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

The motion is not carried in Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move : accord'.nco with Rul; 157 of the Rales of Procedure and in accordance with ^'That the Bill further to amend the provisions of Article 368 of the the Constitution of ladia taken Constilutiom of India. The motion is into Consideration”. negatived. The Bill s-ieks to delete Article 44 of the Constitution of India. The motion was negatived. Article 44 is as under :

"The State shall end;avour to securc for the citizens a unfiorm 16 40 hrs. civil code throusho’-it the territory of I'ld^a.” CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL The aim cf the Article is eventually to do away with all the pcrs3n:il hiws (Omission of Artrclc 44) i'.f the various communities.

by The final objective is that, instead of citizens being governed by th;ir separate Shri G. M. Banatwalla systems of personal law ii regard to marriage, d'vorce, succcssion, inheritance ai.d such other matters, they English] should be governed by one system of law. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The House will row take up the Bill further Now, Sir, thisuifiorm system of law, to amend the Constitution of India by it is said, shou'd apply even with Shri G.M. Banatwalla. respect to matters in which (he citizens are subject to d-iTorjnt systems of Now, before we take up the Bill for personal law. My amei.di ig Bill, as I have said, seeks to delete this Article.— corsideration, we have to fix the time Article 44—of the Constitution of India. for the Bill. 1 need hardly point out that Shall we fix 2 houre ? Is it all right ? Christians and Parsis have their separate cooificd Marriage and Divorce laws. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA : There Further, the laws of the Christians are is no need to fix any time limit. supplemented in South Indi-i by a lot of local legislation also. The Jewish Law of Marriage also remains uncodified. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : We have Then, the Muslims in India are

Therefore, Sir, you wUl find that there Sir, you will therefore find that the cannot be an abrogation of the Muslim Muslim Personal Law h:ts Ish-mic personal law in their application to the injunctions which have religions obliga- Mus’ims ar.d their replacement by any tions as far as Muslims are concerned. uniform civil codc as may be envisaged Their contravention amounts to by Aniclc 44 of the Constitution of transgression and sin. I may again India. quote from the Quran and when 1 say I quote, I give the English version for Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me the convenience of the House. briefly point out now to this august House some of the basic features of the “And who so disobeyoth Allah Muslim personal law. The Koran and and His messenger and transgresseth the Sunnat contain specific laws His limits, He will make him enter relating to Marriage, Meher, Divovce, fire, where such will dwell for ever, Khula, Iddat, Inheritance, will, Wakf and this will be a shameful doom.” so on. It is not merely that it contains (IV : 14). all these specific ru es. These laws are related to basic values and the ideals of Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, what I the religion. They arc not merely am pjinting out is that the Muslim optional. They have laid down Personal Law is a p ’.rt of immutable boundaries which cannot be ciosscd. I Shariat, Eve;i the prophet—Peace be may here be permitted to draw the upon him—did not have the right to mivke attention of the House to these bounda- any changcs in the injunctions of Quran. ries. After laying down the law For, these were not his creation. They relating to marr'agss, the Quran says — were only revealed to Irm by God. He was a messenger of exalted status to “This is the law from Allah and convey and communicate these you are bound to obey it (3:240)”— revelations to the people. The Muslim Personal Law is the leligions obligation I m.iy give another quotation— of every Muslim. The obse:vance of the Shariat Is a necessaiy condiiijn of one ‘‘It is a decree of Allah for you being a Muslim. A Muslim will be pre- (IV: 2 4).” pared to lay down his life rather than surrerdcr any part of Shariat. I may point out another provision- Even a part cannot be surrendered. Observance in toto is the condition. ^‘That is th^ judgement of A'.lah. Moreover, I must emphasise that it is He judgcth between you.” (LX : 10). the faith of Muslims that the welfare of Muslims lies not in surrendering any Similarly, after laying down the law part but in strictly adhering to the whole of the religion. I have, therefore, relating to divorce and Khule, the Quran to invite the a'tention of this House to says— consider calmly the gr^ve situation that emerges b^causc of the contiruation of “These are the limits ordained Article 44 in the Constitution of India by Allah, Do not go and bcyoAd them, which presupposes annulment of the and if anyone exceeds these limits, he personal laws of various communities. is the transgressor.” (2:229). This conccpt of uniform civil codc Further, after laying down the law of was never there at any time during our succession, Quran says— struggle for independence. The conccpt suddenly came up when the Constituent This is the law ordained by Assembly was busy preparing a Constitu- Allah.” (4:11). tion for us. There was a suggestioo by 363 Constiluiion MARCH 29. 1985 Constitution 364 {Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

Shri M.R. Masani at th-i ra:jeting of under the headiiig "Fandamental Rights, the Fundamental Rights Sub-Committee Duties and Economic Programme’. on 28lh March, 19 47 to inciuJ-j amor.g There were 17 artic'es in this resolution Fundamental Rights a provision for a and I will rot take much tinu of the common civil code applicable to rll House at least on this pjint. These citizens. This was the first time that artLClcs were divided uider fju; head*. the concept of a common civil codc was The resolution said : advanced. Thi suggestion was struck: down by a mpj^rity of 5:4. The subjcct ^The Congress is of the opinion was, however, later pressed, though it that to enable the masses .to appre- was rejected, as I said, in the meeting of ciate what ‘Sw.iraj’ as conceived by the the Fundamental Rights Sub-Committee Congress, will mean to them, it is on 28th March, 1947. The suggestion desirable to state the position of the was pressed on 30th March, 1947. Congress in a manner easily under- The Fundamental Rights Sub-Committee stood by them. then decided by a slender majority to include a clause for uniform civil codc in the Directive Principles of Social This resoluton further goes on to Policy. Acc'iidingly,wc have this say : Artielc 44 among the Di cctive PrircipU’S. * The Congress, therefore, declares that any Constitution which may be Even when the GonstiluciU Assembly agreed to on its behalf should provide, was discussing this provision, four or enable the Swaraj Government to amendments were m.)ved to this A^ticlc. provide for the follcwing. They were moved by Mohd. Ismail Sahib, Nazir-ud-diii Ahmed Mehb:)ob And then, under the heading Funda- Ali B:g S'Jhib and B Pock-ir Sahib. As mental Rights and Duties : I submitted, during the independence movement, neither the Indian National “ 1 (iii): The culturc, language and Congress, nor the All Party Conference script of the minorities and of the or the Sdpru Comm'tlee had suggested linquisitic areas shall be piotccted” . the need for having a uniform civil code. Therefore, I was submitting that Article 44 or the concept of a unifo.m 17-53 hrs. civil code is a total reversal of the pre- indepcndencc thinking as also our [SHRI SOMNATH RATH in the cherished policy of unity in div^-ersity. chair] We never insisted on uniformity. Our policy has always been that of unity in diversity. This insistence on common The concept w a s n^t there at all. Not only that but the 47th session of civil code, I submit, signiflcs an in roads the Congress in 193 3 adopted a reso- into religious freedom guaranteed by lution to proLcct culture, language and articles 25 and 26 of the Constitution script of the minorities and it is the way and a total eradication ot minority of life c.ivi’.agcd by a religion, that culture protected by article 29. Thus forms the culture of that religious Sir, the continuation of arlicle 44 in group. our Constitution, evrn as a directive principle, not enforceable by law, tends to discredit constitutionalism itself. The 47th session of the Indian National Congress held in Calcutta on Mr. Chairman, Sir, the underlying the 1st April, 19 33 adopted a resolution idea behind this concept of uniform’ 365 Constitution CHAITRA 8, 1907 (5.4/T^) Consiifiition 366 {.Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill civil codc as was pointed out at the time revelation and failh. The principles of discussion daring the Corstituent established by God must be believed Asscpibly was delinking of religion from in as part of one’s religious faiih.” the way of life. This was the termi- nology used in the Constituent Assembly It is Dr. W. Windelband who, in his also. With respect to (his idea of treatise “A History of Philosophy” tries religion from the way of life, 1 must to expound the thcughls of Voltaire— respectfully draw the atlention of this Voitairc, on believer in God or any House to soime important thinking on corccpt like that; but even he comes (o the subject. this cjnclu^ioii. With respect to the thoughts of Voltaire, Dr. Windelb^^nd Sir, Prof. W. PatJQ in his ‘Textbook says—and I quote him from the same of Jurisprudence’ on page 105 says that treatise, at pages 49 5-496 : Gustav Radbnich “ considers that let.al philosophy should study legal v?.lues, “ The deity ard immortality are but should not r.ttcmpt to choose now for him only valid as postulates between them. The choice is not a of the moral feelir.g; faith in them is matter of science, but of conscience...” regarded as only the condition for moral action...... ” Similarly Sir, while L. L. Fuller contends th:\t Law is in quest of itself, SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA rose. W. Friedman says that it is not possible to determine the absolute ideals of justice without the guidance of religion. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA : I do not yield at this juncture. Later on, Therefore, this whole assumption during the discussion on this Bill, we behind article 44, the assumption of can listen to what he has to say. The dolirking religion from the way above author continues : of life is hollow and does not stand any test. W. Friedmann in his treatise “ If this belief should perish, the ‘*Legal Tlieory” says at page 414 and motives for honest conduct, and thus I quote— the foundations of social order, would, he thinks, perish with it.” "‘A theological basis provides the simplest and perhaps the only genuine foundation for absolute ideals Similarly, I seek the ii.dulgence of this of justice.** House to quote Prof. Paton from his “Textbook of Jurisprudence” at page How the can there be delinking of 104 : religion from the way of life ? ‘^WhDt interests should the ideal 17.00 hrs. legal system protect ? This is a ques- The s?me W. Friedmann, in tion of valuse, in which legal this Chapter 30 giving an interesting philosophy plays its part. It is account of his search for absolute essent'ally the problem of natural law, ideals of justice says—I quote from page though other teiminology may be 416 : uicd. But, however much desire the help of philosophy, it is difficult to ‘^What emerges from eli. these obtain. No agreed scale of values varying attempts is the utter failure has ever been rcachcd; indeed, it is to establish absolute standards of only in religion that we e.in find a justice except on a relig'ous basis. basis, and ths truths of religion must Bat religion is ultimately a matter of be accepted by faith or intuition and 367 Constitution MARCH 29, 1985 Constitution 368 {Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

and happiness in the life thereafter. not purely as the result of logical Therefore, though protagonists of a argument.” uniform civil code may havq an I will give one more quotation form argument with respect to some religions, the same W. Paton and then not seek their argument does not stand. further indulgence of the House with respect to these quotatioas. At page SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : Can 109 of the same book he says—I quote : he cite other beliefs and other religiors ? There are certain people who have “The orthodox natural law certain faiths. theory based its absolutes on the {Interruptions) revealed truths, of religion. If we attempt to secularise jurisprudence, MR. CHAIRMAN : He is not criticis- where can we find an agreed basis of ing other religions. values ?” SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : He I need hardly point out that these and has said about it. such are the thinking of the greater philosophers, of those widely respectcd SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA : I hold in the area of jurisprudence. However, everybody with utmost respect. But I I quite realise thGt the protagonisis of am only pointing out the features of the tSie uniform Civil Codo argue, the Muslim Personal Law. protagonists demanding delinking of religion from th; way of life have an assumption, that affairs such as marriage, SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : How divorce, inheritance etc. are purely have they injured the Muslim feelings, mundane aff irs unrelated to worship please let us know ? The Constitution came into effect in the year 1950. How and religious life. They say : “ WhDt you been affected ? have these matters to do with your worship of God ?” That is a different SHRI G. M. BAn ATWALLA : He matter, they say, ajid all these matters, has no patience; be only shows his viz. marriage, divorce, inheritance obsticacy and nothing further. and so or and so forth, they argue, have nothing to do with man’s relation with God. Therefore, they seek to SHRI Y.S. MAHAJAN : Is there d o delink these matters from religion and time limit ? want a common civil code. They say that all these matters belong to the SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : 40 social, cultural and economic spheres minutes he has taken and he has quoted and do not form part of religion. I all English authors and philosphers. submit that several religions rejcct Interruptions) worldy life and co.isider this as driving away man from God. For the quest of SHRI C.M. BANATWALLA : I God, according to these religions, man Pointing out therefore that the Muslim is driven to the solitude of caves and Personal Law is a religious obligation on jungles-only one direct relationship each and every Muslim. Now, the between man and God- However, such protagonists of a uniform civil code say is not the thinking in Islam; in Islam, that uniformity in way v.f life leads to the way to Allah is right through the national solidarity and unity. I very affairs of this life on world. It is by a much respect the concern for this proper conduct through the mult'ferious national solidarity and unity. But I must activities of worldly life which include submit that it is unity in diversity, the all these, marriage, d.vorco and so on . principle which we cherish rather than that one can earq th^ pleasure of Qod unifprmity in a plural society Jil^e Jn^ia 369 Constitution CHAITRA 8. m i(SAKA) Comfituiion 370 (Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

(hat leads to national solidarity and prudence. They are within the unity. We have so many uniform laws, psrmissible limits. It is totally erro- civil procedure code and so on and so neous, therefore, to believe that Muslim forth. Why then do we still face chal- countries have abmdjned Islamic law in lenges to national unity and solidarity frvour of any Western legal principles despite all these uniform Laws ? So, except perhaps in one Or two countries what I was pointing out is that India is where there is already a move to go a p’ural society and the basis of this back to the personal law. plural society lies in our adherence to the principle of unity in diversity. The principles of Muslim Personal Law do The protagonists of the uniform Civil not injure anybody else. They need not; Code also point out or have an argu- they need not take any offence if a m'^nt saying that certain provisions of Muslim wants to continue with his the Muslim personal law are outdated or adhei'cnce with Ihe Shariat; the Shariat are at fault, or the faulty, and so on is immutable, as I said, ard the funda- and so forth. I must here point out that mental principles of Shariat are not theij attack on these provisions of the open for reconsideration. Shariat laws stems from their being taken way or carried away by the glittering of the hallow principles of Sir, it is some times argued that Western values. changcs have taken place in the personal laws of Muslims in certain other countries, certain Muslim countries. It is If you want to talk about women sometimes argued. I must here point themselves, I must submit that Muslim out that there are at least seven Fchools women themselves have held large of Islnmic Law wh'ch arc currently conferences in various parts of our prevalent in various parts of the world. country like Bombay, Nagpur, Nanded, These are the Hanafi, Shafci, Malki, Pabhani, Hyderabad, Pune, Ahmedabsd, Hambrili, Ithna Ashari, Ismaili and Lucknow, Allahabad, Bar.galore, Zaidi. Now, an individual is generally Calcutta and Kanpur. These conferences expected to adhere to any one of the have been attended by thousands and schools in toto ard is not supposed to they have voiced their support for the make his own choice of legal rules from Muslim personal law. these several principles of jurisprudence. An International Islamic Conference Saudi Arabia, Libya, Yemen^ Bahara- was held in London from April 3 to 12, in, Northern Nigeria, Gambia, Somalia, 1976. A session was devoted to Women Mauritaiia , Chad and Afghanistan have and Islam. It was addressed by two not at all introduced any legislation to Muslim women, both coming from bring about changes in the locally Western background—ono Eaglish and prevalent schools of traditional laws of the other German. Islam. In her paper on '‘Women in Islam” Of course, in U.A R , Sudan, Lebanon, Fatima Heeren concluded by saying : Jordan, Syria, Mo'occo, Algeria, Iraq, Iran and Pakistan the legislatures have replaced—have replaced—some pro- “The more perfect a society has visions of one school of law generally bccome in the eyes of a superficial followed by their citizens, by the spectator, the more heart-rending corresponding principles of other may all ils utterly impersonal social schools. You will, therefore, find that achievements appear in the sight of the object is to have those principles those who know the cherishingly care which are best for local conditions; but and warmth of a truly Islamic family Wtiich are permissible by Islamic juris- life." 371 Constitufion MARCH 29, 1985 Constitution 3 72 {Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

There wa'i another woman delegate at rise to oppose the Constitution Amend- this Conference and she h^s also ment Bill moved by Shri Banatwplla. spoken at length praising the entire laws. {Eng lily hli

To conclude I m vy say that India is Article 44 says : a plural socicly. It is a cradle of several cultures. The unity aid solidarity of ‘'The State shall endeavour to our country lies in achieving unity in secure for the citizens a uniform diversity. The talk of a uniform civil civil code throughout the territory of cede with its implications, agitates the India.” minds of the minorities especially the Mut,lims. The tclk of the uniform civil code is an attack on the traditional [rranslation] fpirit of tolcrance ard secular ideals of our society. It is not through unifomity It is clear from the provision made in that wc can maintain cu.- soctety. the Constitution that wc fhall Uniformity leads only to the destruction erdeavourt to secure a uniform of the very basis of our pluial society. civil code throughout the country. It opens floodgates to needless and During the British rule also, such avoidable conflict and confrontation. I legislations were enacted as were against have, thcrt-fore, pointed out the r.ature the Shariat. The Transfer of -Pro- of the Muslim Personal Law, the perty Act and the contract Act were implications of Article 44 and the enacted. As rcgardings criminal law the continuation of Article 44 enccuraging Criminal Procedure Code and the I.P.C. certain rcciions to eontirue with their were passed. They extend to Iho whole campaign giving rise to conflicts, resent- of India. Similarly, the Negotiable ment and agitated minds. I have, Instruments Act is in force. The Koran therefore, ccme before this House with contains certain specific tenets, rules an amendirg Bill to delete Article 44 of and laws which are violated by the the constitution of India and I commend aforesaid laws. All hf^ve supported it the Bill for the epprotation of the and none has opposed it. It is our House. endeavour to have a uniform civil code in the country wh'ch could preserve MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion the unity of the country so that we moved : could be successful m our secular policy. A special emphasis has been laid on the secular policy in our Constitution. “That the Bill further to amend Therefore, we thought it fit to endeav- the Constitution of India be taken into our to secure a uniform civil code. consideration.”

SHRI MOOL CHAND DAG A : I If we look at the Hindu Law, it has' beg to move : also separate schools of succession, for example Mayukha school of succession, and Mitakshara school of succession “That the Bill be circulated for in Bengal also, there is a separate the purpose of eliciting, opinion by Dayabhaga school. Similarly, separate 31st July, 1985,” schools of succession exist for the followers of Shia and Sunni sec^s, and \_Translatioti\ there also, there is no uniformity among them. There are certain SHJRI VIRDHI CHANDER JATN communities among the followers (Parmer): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I of Shla aqd Sunrii sects also which 4o 373 Constitution CHAITRA 8, 1907 {s A k a ) Constitution 374 {.Amendment) Bill {.Amendment) Bill not accept th .m. Therefore, we should by you, you do not want any change to also keep this Viewpoint before us and be raid2 in our old laws, bit instead, not overlook it. Besides, it is the want to continue the old law in its Succcs'jion Act of the Hindu Law which origiaal form, whxh Cim; into being is being followed in the North West thDUsads of years ago. We find that Frontier Province. What 1 mean to say changes continue to take place in society is that there is at present a controversy and our lawj also change in accordance over this subject in our country and on with such changcs. Today, in our the laws which I referred to nanly country we do not want to live society the inhsrtance law aj^d the Marriage which is not responsive to changcs, Law which are the raajor laws, the because wo know that wc cannot progress Marriage law injludsi t’.ie d.v.>rce law wiihout making changes. If the same as well, U^der the inheritance law, we old laws continue, how can we march want to enact su::h legislation as could ahead ? Without change how can ouj give equal r-ghts to men and wemen. country cannot progress 7 Therefore, Even i:\ Shariat and Koran. wom-;n do I vehemently oppose this Bill. Our not have rights and status equal to thos^’: Government should endeavour to create men and even in Hindu Law, women such a situation with the cooperation of have not been kept at par with m^n. the leaders of the Muslims, the But, in the modern a^c, we want to Christians and the Hindus, in which give thorn equal iijh;s and place them such changcs are made in the laws as on an equal pedestal. This is why we aim at achieving progress and marching have made amendments in the law, we toawrds development. have amedcd the inheritance law and even in the case of propery, wc want to With th-se words I oppose tho give women rights euqal to those of men. Constitution Amendment Bill moved by we have made extensive chaogcs in the Shri Banatwalla. age-old laws and it is our constant endsavour to change them in accordance with the times. Thjrefore, this SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (Pali) is my request to you that the way M'. Chairman, Sir, our Constitution we are chang'ng the Iaw3 and the Hindus camc into force on 26 h January 1950. are accjpiing th::m, the Muslims also It has been in s:en in reports that the should not adopt a rigid attitu«.1e, but prog essive people want to raise thjir shou'd instead view it from the angltj of standard of living by taking advantagi how justice cun be done to women of the developments made in the fieldi with the changing times aid circumstan- of science and t.chaology. The policy ces and how we can march forward of the Government is very clear ia this ut'itedly on the paih towards regard. develcpment, how we can surge ahead in the race for development. I do not know what the need was for Shri Banatwalla to hoe brought A Provision in this regard exist under forward such a legislation. Hti has not Article 35 of the Constitution and mentioned in his speech the reasons amendments thereto have also been for which he has brought forward moved from time to time. For instance, suc’^ a law. Shri Nazeeruddin Ahmad, Shri Mohammad Ism lil Shri Mehboob Ali Sinee 1950 the Government of India Baig, Shri D. Poker and Shri Hussain have been emphasizing tima and agiin Imim h.id moved amendments, la all that they beUeve in unity in diversity. these amendments, emph.\sis was laid The temple, thj mosque and the church, on the faci that no such provision should all of them wou’d cjntinu:: to exist. We be kep- in Ihe Constitutioa. But in the weiorac all of them. Bat if any Maslim ConsUtution Amendment Bill proposed in India wants to make any plea. 375 Constitution MARCH 29, 1985 Constitution 376 {^Amendment) Bill {.Amendment') Bill

Governmeut have already made their to effecL any changes in the personal policy c car in this regard- The first laws of the minority ^communities, question was put b(.fore the Law Minister u'ilcss the inilialive thereof comes here and ihs reply given by him on from those commuritics.” behalf of the Government in 1983 was as follows : [Translation]

[English] This Vijrsion was received after askir.g questions four times in this House. In aiswor to a queflion in 1983 it Some p-'ople have c^ne to the Supreme was stated ; Court recently. The Supreme Court has observed that there are certain : “The enactment of a uniform basic featMres in the case of marriage in civil code will require changes in which it docs not want to interfere. pcrsona\ laws of the minority com- ' mu'Aity. The policy of the Govern- ment has nDt been to effect any The hon. Member has saiJ that it is changes in personal laws of the a law from Allah and anybody disobey- mi K)rity community, unless the initi.i- ing it would be a sinner. I have not tivc thereof comes from ih i bocn able to under stand the language community itaelf.” of vice and virtue. He wants to tell me the dilTerence between vice and virtue that God had given dccrees to th^ [Trans la tf on] Prophet and whatever decrees were given by him c.>ntinui to be the law Thcreafier the thjii Law Minister today. We believe today that the in- Shir Jagannath Kaushal answered a telligence and the wisdom of a person always co.Uinue to dwV<.lop. Should guesiion hare. we accept the idea of human sacrifice before god desses ? Should this belief [Engliih] continue to ba recognised even today ? You have said that a man may have On the 15th March 1982, Shri Jagan- four wives. This issue was raised in nath Kjiushal, the then Law Minister, the Supremo Couit recently. A question arjswercd a question put by Shri has been asked v\hat the law is in this Shivchandra Jha. I am reading both regard. I do not have the newspaper ihe question and the answer : cutting with meat the moment, other wisei I would have shown it to you. “ ...Whether the Government propose to bring legislation for a Under your law, if a person says common civil law for the whole of 'Talaq, Talag, Talaq, three times, divorce this coiiatry ai.d, if so what are the is considered to have bien . given. Do details in this behalf ?” you consider it to be good ? Wj do not say that you want this law now or that Tho Minister says : there should not be any change. There is a different law in Russia in this regard “ No, Sir, does not arise. In China also, where there is some Legislation for a common civil law Muslim population, there is a separate for the whole of the country would law. All are bound by their laws. He involve changes in the peresonal law says that shariat or the Korcn peimits relating to the minority community. them to do so. But we have kept our The policy of the Government is not minds open. 377 Constitution CHAiTRA 8. 190*? {SAKA) Constitution 378 {Amendment) Bill {Amendment) Bill

TodLiy we see that they grow a b.ard. women. Should we follow him in this It is your belief that the beard should regard ? Should we also follow these always be grown as it is a blessing of conventions ? When I was young, I God. Such are their beliefs. I this used to believe that the earth was connection, I would like to say how stationary and it was the Sun and the such practices have come into vogue. Moon which revolved. When I grew up, We made the law regarding divorce I came to know that it is a scientific fact more stringent and the law relating to that the earth is revolving. So, our dowry wi^.s amended. We say that we conceptions go on changing with the should have laws for making progress. passage of time. We respect the provisio.’.s of the laws. How had this question arisen then ? No body knows the ci. cumstances Whose feelings are we injuring ? The under which certain dccrees were made. beauty of India is found in these words We, the Hindus take b.uh b(.fore of a poet that Saare Jahan Se Achchha worshipping God, but in his community, Hindustan Hamara our country is the we have seen that they do not wash best among all the countries, where iheir hands and fc,t. It seems,, at that there is maximum tolcrance. We want time there must have been shortage of that the maulvi may offer his prayers in water, that was why this became a law the mosque, we consider it good, we or a practice. What is law ? It is rcspcct him. But the hon. Member man’s wisdom which takes the shape of has said a ntw thing that this Article law. Tulsidas has said ; ' should be deleted. I would urge him to rather associate himself with it. “Dhol. Ga?mar, Shudra, Pasliu, Nari, There are many conventions in the Yeh Sab Tadan Ke Adhikarir Muslim community due to which women suffer. The laws about divo.ce or the Mehar are the cause of torment for One does not know the circumstances Muslim women. I had expected him to under which he had said this. I fail to give certain siiggestios for amending understand how a scholar like Banat- those laws But, instead, he has walla has made such comments. auggcsted that this Article itself should be deleted. I am an atheist. I do not I do not have the ^ Opinion" wi;h mo, believe in the existence of God. I otherwise I wculd have shown that believe in Karma, i e. g^od deeds. I Muslims have themselves demanded that have neither seen Gcd, nor believe in their law should be amended. his existence, I attach the greatest imp.*)rtan:j e to hard work. We have the capacity to think as also a sense of There was a time when their countries discrimination. That is the greatest were inhabited by d.flferent tribes and thing. ■ the leader of the tribe used to have hundreds of wives in his harem. You have said a strang thing in this Nobody knew their exact number. era of scier.ce. You know this is not Mohammed Sahcbdid not like this situa- the law, it is not binding, as it is a tion that the leader of the tribe should part of the Directive Principles. It is have so many wives. So* he ordained written here “'shall endeavour’’, it is not that nobody should have more than four at all binding. And for that yju have wives. He considered the situation brought this B.ll. I think you want prevalent at that time when every girl publicity by bringing this Bill. I think was forcibly taken to the harem. That we take more care of the interests of was why he limited the number of wives the Muslims than you. A;coidirg to to four. It is said about Lord Kiishna me, a Muslim is one who protects the that he used to dance with one thousand rights of the Hindus as well as his own 3^9 Constitution M a r c h 2% i9s5 Constitufion § 80 iAmencfrnent) Bill {Amendment) Bill religion. Similarly, a Hindu is onie who do not want to interfere in your reli- protects the rights of the Muslims We gious matters, but we do want that arc cqu.illy eatiiled to p;otcct ths rights such things should be done as arc Con- of ths Muslims and we arc Hindus ducive to the establishment of a good bi:au;e wj do that. The fol’owers society. The old order should change. of one religion should respcct the You must also be wishing that ni3n and other rcligio.is and all should women should h.ive equal rights. Both eodeavou- for a common code should h ive equil rights to property. for marriages and other things. When The p.ovir>ion of divorce shou Id also the Hindu Code was f.amed and enfjrced not be misused in this manner. Therefore, as a law, our daugh'ers got ccrtain I would request you to help us in remo- rights wh:ch they did not enjoy prc- ving such shortcomings in the laws and vi( u>ly ar.d we t^ave the right of respectfully withd’-aw your Bill. franchise to women, which was not available even in Ei gland. Today, they 17. 43 hours. have the right to vote, But these scholars sDm:times express conservative views. I wou'd 8?y that this tactic of [English] soliciting votes should be stopp:;d SHRI Y. S. MAHAJAN (Jalgao.O ; Earlier they had demanded that the Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am sorry that Mr. Nepali language should be included in B.inatwalhi ha.ed by has been our policy for the last 40 years' the Mislim bre.hern and progressive and wj have reiterated it in this House people, so mjch so thot even ihj a number of time. But still Mr. Banat- High Cour;s and the Supreme Court w.illa comes with the proposal to drop have also held that there are article 44, the proposal has absalu'eiy certain provisions which are violative of no j isiification. There is no threat to the G^nstituiio 1. Therefore, I wcu'd have uniform personal law. This is a request them to leave this controversy formal way of dealing with his a side and divert their minds to wards Proposal. other things If there is uniformity in all religions, there will be novelty in all of them because religion But on its merits, I should say, Mr. is an attitude which relates to thinking Bana'.walla has not put foward argu;nents from within. It should not bo related which can be acceptcd-by the Members to marriage, divorce and su-cssion. of this House The Mus’im personal laws Religion is connected with one, heart and the Hindu personal laws deal with and soul. You consider civilisation and marriage, succession, ij\heritance and culture as o.ie, cu'.tu e and religion are cuUtdy of children. O.i these matters, one. It is one thing to that one saction conseivative tradition has decreed should rot hurt anybody bjt rclig on is certain rules and regulation^. Mr. another thing. I am n:>t i.iterfering in Ban'ilwallu^ cotention is that these any religion. I am mentioning those present practices Muslims regarding things whi^h arc a source of s.)l!ace and derive directly from what has been said provide happiness for the mankind. We by God, to Mohammed Prophet. 381 Constitution CHATTRA 8, 1907 Const hui ion 382 {AwencJmet t) Bill {Amendment) Bill

I think to say what has been said by the We are Hindus. But we have changed Prophet is immutable, is a furdamcnt- the Hindu Law b yond recognition. We alistic i.litude which even the religsous are prepared to change it any number of people all over the world arj not times to suit the social and economic prepared to accept unless they belive in cor.ditions of our country so that progress creating friction in the society, wherever may bccomc easy. The founding fathers this sort of an attitude has prevailed, it of our Constitution, the architccts of our has no’t su':cecd

Id this holy ‘Quran’ it is clearly Now, I will tell you about divorce. ordained for all of us that wo must Some of the Members, like Shri D.iga, consider the county wi^eye live ?is spoke only for tlje sak? of gpeakia^. 385 Constitution CHAITRA 8, 1907 (SAKA) Constitution 386 {Amendment) Bill .{.Amendment) Bill

They do not know what Shariyat is all feeling of loyalty is the biggest asset. about. Th^y spoke just to get their With these words, I conclude. names inciudcd in the list of speakers, but I am telling you on the basis of my KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE study of Shariyat that Shri Banatwalla (Jadavpur) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I share knows very well and is fully acquainted the sphere of this subject, but I oppose with the divorce system in Islam. For the text or substance of the Bill. a Muslim, there cannot be a greater sin Please allow me to use English, Bengali, than divo ce. He can divorce his wife Sanskrit, Hindi and Urdu because unity only u:id>r very conipv;lling circunis- in diversity is an Indian feature and tanccs. I do not w.int to utter any we like to establish it. offending words. If the wife is sinful, she can be divorced. The liw is so / Translation] harsh in the milter of divorce and remarriage. If any Muslim remarries We aas in Bengali : to fulfil his lust, he is not a Muslim. There is permission in Islam to have Dive aai' nibe niilabe milabe gabena four wives but it is not his duty and the phire Rai bharter wahmanver sagar teere. same applies to divoice also. One can [Englishl divorce only under compelling circums- tance-i. It docs not form part of his MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Member duty. It is not a fun to divorce and may continue in the next occasion. remarry. It involves religious senti- ments. 18.1 lirs The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Thj first teaching of our religion is Eleven of the Clock on Monday, April 1, to remain loyal to the countiry and this 19 8 SlChaitra 11, 1907 {Saka).

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