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THE FEDERAL INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AC- QUISITION REFORM ACT’S ROLE IN REDUCING IT ACQUISITION RISK JOINT HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED FOURTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION JUNE 10, 2015 Serial No. 114–43 Printed for the use of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform ( Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.fdsys.gov http://www.house.gov/reform U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 96–953 PDF WASHINGTON : 2015 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Publishing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402–0001 VerDate Sep 11 2014 13:51 Dec 08, 2015 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 5011 Sfmt 5011 F:\96953.TXT APRIL AKING-6430 with DISTILLER COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM JASON CHAFFETZ, Utah, Chairman JOHN L. MICA, Florida ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland, Ranking MICHAEL R. TURNER, Ohio Minority Member JOHN J. DUNCAN, JR., Tennessee CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York JIM JORDAN, Ohio ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of TIM WALBERG, Michigan Columbia JUSTIN AMASH, Michigan WM. LACY CLAY, Missouri PAUL A. GOSAR, Arizona STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts SCOTT DESJARLAIS, Tennessee JIM COOPER, Tennessee TREY GOWDY, South Carolina GERALD E. CONNOLLY, Virginia BLAKE FARENTHOLD, Texas MATT CARTWRIGHT, Pennsylvania CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS, Wyoming TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky ROBIN L. KELLY, Illinois MARK MEADOWS, North Carolina BRENDA L. LAWRENCE, Michigan RON DESANTIS, Florida TED LIEU, California MICK, MULVANEY, South Carolina BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN, New Jersey KEN BUCK, Colorado STACEY E. PLASKETT, Virgin Islands MARK WALKER, North Carolina MARK DeSAULNIER, California ROD BLUM, Iowa BRENDAN F. BOYLE, Pennsylvania JODY B. HICE, Georgia PETER WELCH, Vermont STEVE RUSSELL, Oklahoma MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM, New Mexico EARL L. ‘‘BUDDY’’ CARTER, Georgia GLENN GROTHMAN, Wisconsin WILL HURD, Texas GARY J. PALMER, Alabama SEAN MCLAUGHLIN, Staff Director DAVID RAPALLO, Minority Staff Director TROY D. STOCK, Information Technology Subcommittee Staff Director JENNIFER HEMINGWAY, Government Operations Subcommittee Staff Director JULIE DUNNE, Senior Counsel SHARON CASEY, Deputy Chief Clerk (II) VerDate Sep 11 2014 13:51 Dec 08, 2015 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 F:\96953.TXT APRIL AKING-6430 with DISTILLER SUBCOMMITTEE ON INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY WILL HURD, Texas, Chairman BLAKE FARENTHOLD, Texas, Vice Chair ROBIN L. KELLY, Illinois, Ranking Member MARK WALKER, North Carolina GERALD E. CONNOLLY, Virginia ROD BLUM, Iowa TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois PAUL A. GOSAR, Arizona TED LIEU, California SUBCOMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS MARK MEADOWS, North Carolina, Chairman JIM JORDAN, Ohio GERALD E. CONNOLLY, Virginia, Ranking TIM WALBERG, Michigan, Vice Chair Minority Member TREY GOWDY, South Carolina CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of MICK MULVANEY, South Carolina Columbia KEN BUCK, Colorado WM. LACY CLAY, Missouri EARL L. ‘‘BUDDY’’ CARTER, Georgia STACEY E. PLASKETT, Virgin Islands GLENN GROTHMAN, Wisconsin STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts (III) VerDate Sep 11 2014 13:51 Dec 08, 2015 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 F:\96953.TXT APRIL AKING-6430 with DISTILLER VerDate Sep 11 2014 13:51 Dec 08, 2015 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 F:\96953.TXT APRIL AKING-6430 with DISTILLER C O N T E N T S Page Hearing held on June 10, 2015 ............................................................................... 1 WITNESSES The Hon. Anne Rung, Administrator, Office of Federal Procurement Policy, The Office of Management and Budget Oral Statement ................................................................................................. 4 Written Statement ............................................................................................ 7 Mr. Tony Scott, U.S. Chief Information Officer, Office of E-Government and Information Technology, The Office of Management and Budget Oral Statement ................................................................................................. 12 Written Statement ............................................................................................ 14 Mr. David A. Powner, Director, IT Management Issues, U.S. Government Accountability Office Oral Statement ................................................................................................. 19 Written Statement ............................................................................................ 21 Mr. Richard Spires, Chief Executive Officer, Resilient Network Systems, Inc. Oral Statement ................................................................................................. 47 Written Statement ............................................................................................ 49 APPENDIX Chairman Will Hurd, Opening Statement ............................................................ 76 Ranking Member Robin Kelly, Opening Statement .............................................. 78 Mr. D. Powner-GAO Response to Rep. Duckworth Questions for the Record .... 80 POGO Statement for the Record on DOE FITARA Exemption ........................... 84 (V) VerDate Sep 11 2014 13:51 Dec 08, 2015 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00005 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 F:\96953.TXT APRIL AKING-6430 with DISTILLER VerDate Sep 11 2014 13:51 Dec 08, 2015 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00006 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 F:\96953.TXT APRIL AKING-6430 with DISTILLER THE FEDERAL INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY ACQUISITION REFORM ACT’S ROLE IN RE- DUCING IT ACQUISITION RISK Wednesday, June 10, 2015 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SUBCOMMITTEE ON INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, JOINT WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS, COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM, Washington, D.C. The subcommittees met, pursuant to call, at 2:41 p.m., in Room 2154, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Will Hurd [chairman of the subcommittee] presiding. Present from Subcommittee on Information Technology: Rep- resentatives Hurd, Walker, Blum, Kelly, Connolly, Duckworth, and Lieu. Present from Subcommittee on Government Operations: Rep- resentatives Meadows, Walberg, Massie, Carter, Maloney, Norton, Plaskett and Lynch. Mr. HURD. The Subcommittee on Information Technology and the Subcommittee on Government Operations will come to order. And without objection, the chair is authorized to declare a recess at any time. Today we’re going to review GAO’s designation of IT acquisition as high risk and highlight how the Federal Information Technology Reform Act, FITARA, can reduce IT acquisition risk. I represent a district that’s 29 counties, very rural parts of Texas, and the urban part. Not once did I mention IT procurement on the campaign trail because it wasn’t a sexy topic. And one of my first trips out in the district, we were in far west Texas, my chief of staff says: What are you going to talk about? And he says: IT procurement, and his face goes ashen, but when you tell people that the Federal Government spends $80 billion on IT procure- ment, and a good majority of that is on legacy systems, they’re pretty outraged, and they recognize the need for efficiency. They recognize the need to reduce the size and scope of the Federal Gov- ernment, and FITARA was a good move in that direction. I think many of the folks on this panel were involved in that. I know Darrell Issa and Congressman Connolly were instrumental in making that happen, and I’m looking forward to working with Con- gresswoman Kelly on this important issue and making sure, Mr. Scott, you know, you have all the tools you need to do your job. You have a tough job. This is—you know, I recognize the difficulty of the task, and IT management and acquisition has long been a prob- (1) VerDate Sep 11 2014 13:51 Dec 08, 2015 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00007 Fmt 6633 Sfmt 6633 F:\96953.TXT APRIL AKING-6430 with DISTILLER 2 lem for the Federal Government, and we all know that. And I’m hopeful that the agency CIOs will in partnership with their C-suite agency colleagues, fundamentally transform the way the Federal Government manages and buys IT. And we cannot afford to be having the same discussion about IT management and acquisition in another 20 years. Our fiscal situa- tion demands that we take advantage of the opportunities for cost savings in IT whether through eliminating duplication, transitioning to the cloud and shared services or ensuring agile de- velopment. I’m particularly interested in how we might define successful FITARA implementation and how we best empower the CIOs for success. I look forward to working with the leadership and members of the IT and Government Operations Subcommittees on both sides of the aisle and to continue the oversight of FITARA implementation. We have to get this right. And I believe this is something that has support not only on both sides of the aisle in the House and the Senate, in the White House as well. And now I would like to recognize Ms. Kelly, our ranking mem- ber of the Subcommittee on Information Technology for her opening statement. Ms. KELLY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding today’s over- sight hearing on the implementation of the Federal Information Technology Acquisition Reform Act, bipartisan legislation intended to overhaul the Federal Government’s approach to managing its in- formation