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Official Report STATES OF JERSEY OFFICIAL REPORT WEDNESDAY, 24th MARCH 2021 PUBLIC BUSINESS - resumption .................................................................................................. 3 1. Land Transaction under Standing Order 168(3) Office Accommodation Project, Union Street, St. Helier - Deferral of approval (P.18/2021) - resumption ...................... 3 1.1 Deputy S.G. Luce of St. Martin: ........................................................................................ 3 1.1.1 Deputy R.J. Ward of St. Helier: ......................................................................................... 4 1.1.2 Deputy R.E. Huelin of St. Peter: ........................................................................................ 5 Deputy R.J. Ward: ....................................................................................................................... 7 Mr. M.H. Temple Q.C., H.M. Attorney General: ....................................................................... 7 1.1.3 The Connétable of St. Saviour: .......................................................................................... 8 1.1.4 Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade: ...................................................................................... 9 1.1.5 Deputy G.J. Truscott of St. Brelade: ................................................................................ 10 1.1.6 The Deputy of Trinity: ..................................................................................................... 11 1.1.7 Connétable K. Shenton-Stone of St. Martin: ................................................................... 12 1.1.8 Senator J.A.N. Le Fondré: ............................................................................................... 12 1.1.9 Senator S.W. Pallett: ........................................................................................................ 16 1.1.10 Deputy L.B.E. Ash of St. Clement: ............................................................................. 18 1.1.11 Deputy M.R. Higgins of St. Helier: ............................................................................ 19 1.1.12 Deputy K.F. Morel of St. Lawrence: ........................................................................... 21 1.1.13 Deputy G.P. Southern of St. Helier: ............................................................................ 24 1.1.14 Deputy J.A. Martin of St. Helier: ................................................................................ 24 1.1.15 Senator K.L. Moore:.................................................................................................... 25 LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT PROPOSED ............................................................................ 27 LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT ................................................................................................... 28 2. Population Policy (Consideration “in-committee”) ........................................................ 28 2.1 The Deputy of St. Peter: .................................................................................................. 28 2.1.1 Deputy R.J. Ward: ........................................................................................................... 29 2.1.2 Senator S.Y. Mézec: ........................................................................................................ 30 2.1.3 Connétable J. Le Bailly of St. Mary: ............................................................................... 31 2.1.4 Deputy I. Gardiner of St. Helier: ..................................................................................... 32 2.1.5 Senator L.J. Farnham: ...................................................................................................... 32 2.1.6 The Deputy of St. Martin: ................................................................................................ 33 2.1.7 Connétable M.K. Jackson of St. Brelade: ........................................................................ 34 2.1.8 Deputy J.H. Young of St. Brelade: .................................................................................. 34 2.1.9 Deputy J.A. Martin: ......................................................................................................... 35 2.1.10 Deputy G.J. Truscott: .................................................................................................. 36 2.1.11 Deputy M. Tadier: ....................................................................................................... 37 2.1.12 Senator K.L. Moore:.................................................................................................... 39 2.1.13 Connétable R.A. Buchanan of St. Ouen: ..................................................................... 40 2.1.14 Senator L.J. Farnham: ................................................................................................. 41 2.1.15 Deputy K.F. Morel: ..................................................................................................... 42 2.1.16 Deputy R.J. Renouf of St. Ouen: ................................................................................. 44 2.1.17 The Connétable of St. Mary: ....................................................................................... 45 2.1.18 Deputy K.G. Pamplin of St. Saviour: .......................................................................... 45 2.1.19 The Deputy of St. Martin: ........................................................................................... 47 2.1.20 Deputy J.H. Young: ..................................................................................................... 47 2.1.21 Senator T.A. Vallois: ................................................................................................... 47 2.1.22 Deputy D. Johnson of St. Mary: .................................................................................. 48 2.1.23 Deputy K.F. Morel: ..................................................................................................... 49 2.1.24 Senator S.Y. Mézec: .................................................................................................... 49 2.1.25 Deputy R.J. Ward: ....................................................................................................... 51 2.1.26 Deputy L.M.C. Doublet of St. Saviour: ...................................................................... 52 2.1.27 Senator T.A. Vallois: ................................................................................................... 53 2.1.28 The Connétable of St. Saviour: ................................................................................... 54 2.1.29 Senator S.C. Ferguson: ................................................................................................ 54 2.1.30 Deputy J.A. Martin: ..................................................................................................... 55 2.1.31 The Deputy of St. Martin: ........................................................................................... 56 2.1.32 The Deputy of St. Peter: .............................................................................................. 56 ARRANGEMENT OF PUBLIC BUSINESS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS .............................. 57 3. Senator T.A. Vallois (Vice-Chair, Privileges and Procedures Committee):.................... 57 ADJOURNMENT ........................................................................................................................... 57 [9:30] The Roll was called and the Dean led the Assembly in Prayer. PUBLIC BUSINESS - resumption 1. Land Transaction under Standing Order 168(3) Office Accommodation Project, Union Street, St. Helier - Deferral of approval (P.18/2021) - resumption The Bailiff: We now continue with consideration of the Land Transaction under Standing Order 168(3) Office Accommodation Project, Union Street, St. Helier - Deferral of approval, P.18. I have no Members listed to speak, so does any Member wish to speak? 1.1 Deputy S.G. Luce of St. Martin: I am not going to overly rehearse the arguments that we had yesterday afternoon. We spoke about costs and the blasé approach we seem to be taking currently to spending tens of hundreds of millions of pounds. We spoke briefly about process and I cannot understand how a process for an alternative site is just so easily transferrable to another site and I believe that needs investigation. We spoke about timing and how we flit between sites at the drop of a hat and pretend that it is all in the plan and under control, and that concerns me greatly how we can move so fast from one site to another. We spoke about value for money and, when things happen as fast as this, I certainly have not been made fully aware of the value for money and why this has not been scrutinised better. Our office strategy is to me a big disappointment. We have had the Philip Le Feuvre House, La Motte Street, options in Broad Street where we are and where we might be, and then Cyril Le Marquand House itself. I have always been concerned about Cyril Le Marquand House because who in their right minds moves out of a building and leaves it empty to go off and rent somewhere else at the cost of millions? We keep being told about money to be saved but we have spent millions and millions of pounds in Broad Street so far on a full repairing lease, renting a building while our previous office has been left empty and that to me is a disgrace. Then there is the elephant in the room, the bête noire,
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