LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)

EIaIada Series. Vol. nVID. No. 25 Toe." April 4, 1989 Chaltra 14. 1911 (Saka)

Thirteenth Session (Eighth Lok Sabha)

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[Eighth Series, Vol. XLVIII, Thirteenth Session, 198911911 (Salea)] No. 25, Tuesday, April 4, 19891Chaitra 14, 1911 (Saka)

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Oral Answers to Questions: 1-29

*Starred Questions Nos. 471, 473 to 475 and 4n to 480

Written Answers to Que.ns: 29-430

Starred Questions Nos. 476,481 to 487 29-39 and 489 to 491

Unstarred Questions Nos. 4555 to 4646, 39-430 4648 to 4683 and 4685 to 4774

Motion Re: Summoning the Attorney General-Negatived 431-459

Papers laid on the Table 459-464

Estimates Committee 464-465 Sixty-elghth and SIxty-ninth Reports-Presented

Statement Re: Wrthdrawl of money from contIngency 465 fund of India for depositing in Delhi High Court

Shri Sontosh Mohan Dev

Chandigarh Disturbed Areas (Amendment) Bin-Introduced 466

Matters Under Rule an 466-471

(i) Need to open an Ordnance factory at Chatra, Bihar. 466-467

Shri Yogeshwar Prasad Yogesh

• The sign + marked above the name of a Member Indicates that the question was actually asked on Ille floor of the House by that Member. (ii)

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(ii) Need for restoring direct flight from New Delhi 467-.468 to Dibrugarh (Assam) and back and connecting Vayudoot flight from Oibrugarh to Ulabari airport

Shri Wangpha lowang

(iii) Need to open a Central School in Faizabad city (Uttar Pradesh)

Shri Nirmal Khattri

(iv) Need to construct a railway bridge at Pahleja 468-469 Ghat in North Bihar

Shri Krishna Pratap Singh

(v) Need to import sufficient phosphatic acid for 469 uninterrupted running of all the four units of Phosphatic Fertilizer Plant

Shri Lakshman Mallick

(vi) Need to set up a T.V. Station in Kanpur (UP) 469-470

Shri Jagdish Awasthi

(vii) Need to look into the working of National 470-471 School of Drama. New Delhi

Shri Hannan MaRah

(viii) Need to improve the working of telephone 471 system in rural areas of Andhra Pradesh

Shri A.J. V.B. Maheswara Rao

Motion, RlI: Report of the Commission on Centre-State Relations 471-610

Shri P. Kolandaivelu 471-483

Prof. Narain Chand Parashar 484-494

Shri P. Selvendran 494-501

Shri Sharad Dighe 501-510 (I) Columns

510-518

Shri K.S. Rao 518-523

Shri Het Ram 523-527

Shri Y.S. Mahajan 527-532

Shri Virdhi Chander Jain 533-536

Shri Charanjit Singh Walia 536-542

Shri Girdhari Lal Vyas 542-545

Shri N. Tombi Singh 545-550

Shri Amar Roypradhan 550-554

Dr. Digvijay Sinh 554-562

Shri Ram Singh Yadav 562-569

Shri N. Sundararaj 569-574

Shri Balwant Singh Ramoowalia 574-5n

Shri Vijay N. Patil 578-583

Shri C. Janga Reddy 583-588

Shri Harish Rawat 588-593

Dr. Datta Samant 593-597

Shri Mahabir Prasad Yadav 597-602

Shri A.J.V.B. Maheswara Rao 602-607

Shri Snballav Panigrahi , 5007-610

Shri Abdul Rashid Kabuli

LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOKSABHA for various c1earances/ approvals neede6by small scale industrial undertakings have been simpmied in the past few years. Tuesday, Apri/4 1989/ Chaitra 14, 1911 (Saka) (a) Excise Laws.

(b) Sanction of cred~ by financial institutions The Laic Sabha met at (c) Labour Laws Eleven of the Clock (d) Forms for registration [MR. SPEAKER in the Chai~ (e) Clearance from pollution control ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS angle.

[English] SHRI P. PENCHALLlAH: Sir, I would like to know from the hon. Minister whether Simplification of Procedures for Setting undue emphasis is being given to setting up up of Small Scale Industries of large scale industries as a resu~ of which only a few areas in the country are develop-- *471. SHRI P. PENCHALLlAH: Will the iog while many parts of the country remain Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: backward. This is contributing to regional imbalances. Hence, I would like to know (a) whether Government propose to what sleps the Government has taken to set simplify the procedures to _give a boost to the up small scale industries in the Government setting up of small scale industries; and sector in economically backward areas.

(b) if so, the details thereof? SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: The development of small scale industries is basically THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the concern of the State Governments and DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- the Central Government is assisting their OPMENT IN THE MIN ISTRY OF INDUS- programmes. I request the han. Member to TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) and approach the State Governments for the (b). A statement is given below. development of small scale industries in the backward areas. STATEMENT SHRt P. PENCHALLlAH: Small entre-

(a) Yes t Sir. Simplification of proce- preneurs who want to set up small scale dures for promoting the small !cale sector is units in lndustrial areas like NOIDA find it a continuous process. extremely difficult to get the certificates needed to set up the small scale industries. (b) In the following areas. procedures AS a result corruption is rampant to get these 3 APRIL 4, 1989 Oral AnsweIs certifICates. Hence. I would tiketoknowwhat subject. Can you club it? steps have been taken to streamline the procedure in NOIDA and other such authori· MR. SPEAKER: Not now. ties 10 that the entrepreneurs can have the benefit of the concessions. [ Translation1

SHRt M. ARUNACHALAM: The regis· You are late and you have missed the tration of small scale industry is basically train. done by the State Director of Industries. (Interruptions) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: There has been delay in laying the Report. Sim;' SHRI C. MAHDAV REDDI: He is talking larty he is late. about Delhi. In Delhi it is your job. [English] SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: Sir, NOIDA is under the control of U.P. State Govern- THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI ment. There is a Chairman of NOIDA. J. VENGAl AAO): Sir, there are 16lakhs of small industries through out the country and DR. DAnA SAMANT: This is a very not 12 lakhs as mentioned by Dr. Datta important problem. Out of 12 lakh small Sam ant. .. (Interruptions) scale industries in the country, nearly 1° per cent of them, 1.2 lakh industries have been DR. DAnA SAMANT: 1.5lakh indus· closed and about 1° to 15 per cent are on the tries were closed ... (/nterruptions) verge of closure. It is the responsibility of the Central Government to see that the affected SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: There are people get some relief: Marketing is an some sick industries. There is a National important issue for the small scale indus- Equity Fund. h is with the lOBI. For the tries. Therefore, some guidelines are re- rehabilitation of sick indusines, lOBI will qyired to be framed. Again the GovernmeRt finance upto As. 75,000 from the National has encouraged the big industrial houses Equity Fund. That is how, the rehabilitation like Reliance. They are producing As. 1000 schemes are going on. crores worth of products. What happens to small scale industries? They are not compe- SHRI A. CHARLES: Sir, in the answer it tent enough to run on their own. Therefore, is stated that simplification of procedures for the spirit of socialism and helping the poor promoting the small scale sector is a con- man in setting up small scale industries has tinuous process. I would like to draw the to be considered by the Government. .. attention of the hon. Minister to one particu- (Interruptions) The hon. Minister Mr. Sathe lar point that has been mentioned here the knows that 9000 small scale industries have sickness of the industry in the smatl scale been closed down in Maharashtra. To en- sector. In Keraia, more than sixty per cent of courage the small scale industrialists or the small scale industries are already sick young graduates, will the Government frame and there are a number of reasons. Even some guidelines in regard to marketing? The though the Government have given anum· small scale industrialists cannot compete ber of package schemes, there is nobody to with the big industrial houses. Therefore. assist the small scale industries in getting some such procedure will have to be laid the benefits. May I know from the han. Min- down by the Government and strictly imple- ister whether a thorough study will be made menteo, instead of saying that they leave ~ to under the guidance of the Central Govern- the State Governments.{lnterruptions) ment to help these units to enable them to get these benefits andlto close the industries SHRI P. M. SAYEED: Mr. Speaker Sir, which are not viable? A'ld also I want to know OuesttOn No. 480 is also retated to this whether the Government will consider fa· 5 awTRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Oral AnswelS _ ..

~ 1he question of giving industrial expand the existing oil refineries in Assam; subsidy. thai has been recently stopped by 1M Central Govamment which had put a (b) if so. whether this is pursd'ant to the number of industries in difiaIIy. May I know Assam Accord; and 1rom the han. ~er whether the industrial subsidy wit also be given, as was being (c) the steps taken by Government so done some six months back? far to implement the proposal?

SHRI J. VENGAL. RAe: Sir, for the [Engfish] benefit of smal scale industries 835 indus- 1rias are reserved. The big business houses THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE should not Q)f1le into this sector. (IntemJp- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- lions) RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) to (c). Pursuant to the Assam Accord the Govern- SHRI ATAUR RAHMAN: Multi-nation- ment has decided to set up in the Central als are coming ... (lntenvpti>tJs) PubflC Sector a refinery of 2.00 MTPA capacity in Assam with a provision to expand it DR. DAnA SAMANT: Multi-nationals to 3.00 MTP A if additional crude is availabte. are starting small industries ... ( Interruptions) It has also been agreed recently to set up the refinery as a subsidiary of an existing Oil MR. SPEAKER: You please answer the Company with some capital participation by question. Do not take note of what they say. the State Government. There is currently no proposal to expand the capacity of the exist- SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: We are not ing refineries in Assam. allowing big industries to enter in this area. There are many reasons for the sickness of SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOOW- the units like siphoning of funds. For the ALIA: In the answer the Minister has in- rehabilitation of these industries, we have formed of the decision of setting up a refinery started the National Equity Fund. h is under in the public sedor, but no details have been the control of lOBI. We have provided As. 10 given. Will the Minister apprise the House of crores for the rehabilitation of sick industries. the effective steps which have been taken in this regard? SHRI A. CHARLES: He has not answered the question regarding subsidy. SHRI BRAHMA DUll: We have taken all the effective steps. I m1y inform the hone SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: No subsidy is Member that first of all it was suggested that given. Subsidy was over on September 30, this refinery should be in the private sector. 1988. That was part of the Assam Accord. When no party came forward, we decided to have ( Translation] it in the public sector. Then Assam Chief Minister, several other Ministers and some Oil Refineries in Assam public representatives met me and suggested that we should have it in the joint *473. SHRI BALWANT SINGH RA- sector. We agreed to that also. Now we are MOOWALIA: • taking all the steps for the formation of the SHAI OINESH GOSWAMI: company, studying feasibility report and going to PIB. But two factors remain. Wig the Minister of PETROLEUM First of all, I would advise the Assam Gov- AND NAruRAL GAS be pleased to state: ernment to have money allocated in the annual plan and create conditions where oil (a) whether Union Government will flow to the refinery. If oil will not flow to the propose to set up another oil refinery and refinery, then there will be the problem of 7 Oral Answers APRIL 4. 1989 8 running the refinery itself. They have as· where the source of oil is. Bombay H9h has sured uS'on that. I hope they will find money got the source of oil but we cannot have a and they will create proper atmosphere. We refinery in Bombay High. Kamal refinery is ourselves are interested in putting up this being put up because there is a high demand refinery because we want to increase the in the State of the han. Member also. To production of crude from 5.5 million tonnes meet the demand of Punjab. Haryana and to about 9 million tones in the next five years. Western U. P., it is easier to transport the crude oil through pipeline. We are laying the SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOOW- Kandla-Bhatinda pipeline and also another ALIA: The Minister at a meeting which was line for Kamal Refinery. So this consumption organized by ONGC to celebrate the birth point of view also is very important centenary of Pt Jawaharlal Nehru where Mr. H.K. Khan and Mr. S.P. Wahi were also SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: Sir, before I present, has said that his Ministry is comm it- put my supplementary, 1think I must put the ted to increases the oil production by 85 per records straight. The hon. Minister is not cent. On the one hand, you say that you are ~orrect when he says that in the Assam committed to increase the oil.production by \ccord, the refinery was to be in the private 85 per cent from indigenous sources, on the sector. There is nothing in the Assam Accord other hand, when the Assam Government nat the refinery was to be in the private approached you to have a new company to sector. But leaving aside that, he has said build a refinery, you rejected their plea. Ac- that the atmosphere should be for free flow tually they were cooperating with you do of oil to the refinery. That question will come double the target. Now you say that you are after the refinery is established. Three and a rejecting it because you did not give it in haH years have all eady passed. I would like Kamal in Haryana. There is a lot of differ- to know what steps are they taking now to ence between Kamal's claim and Assam's form the subsidiary and what is the time claim. While Assam has oil reserves, Hary- frame w~hin which they will start the work ana has no oil reserves. Why are you treat- and they hope to complete the refinery. ing the Assam Government pleas in this way? SHRI BRAHMA DUn: Sir, first of all, I would like to clarify what was in the Assam SHRI BRAHMA DUIT: I think, the hon. Accord. I am quoting: .. In order to accelerate Member's friends have not properly briefed the industrial and educational development him. We have never rejected that. As I have of Assam, the Government of India had already submitted, the refinery was to be in agreed to establish an oil refinery in Assam. the private sector. It is not my fault if no Government will render all possible assis- private party came forward to set up a refin- tance in terms of institutional and bank fi- ery there. Then I offered to have it in the nance to facilitate the establishment of a public sector. The Assam Government did refinelY in the private sector" These words not agree to that. Then they came forward are there. with the proposal that the Assam Govern- ment should be involved in it with some SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: You are public sector undertaking. We have ac- probably referring to a statement made by cepted that also. But the primary conditions the Hon"e Minister. In the Assam Accord it is remain that the Assam Government must not there but there was a subsequent state- find money I they should not ask us to con- ment made by the Home Minister. You are tribute their share also and moreover. the not quoting from the Assam Accord because atmosphere should be such that the free flow I have gone through the Accord very care- of oil will bethere. They have assured usalso fully. and we are accepting all their proposals. SHRI BRAHMA DUTT: But Now that if As regards Karnal, it is not important irrelevant. Suppose it is not coming up in the 9 CHAIlRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) 10 private sector, I myseH offered and sought sector or in the private sector is a happy one the approval of the Cabinet to have it in the because earlier the private sector was show- public sector. Then the Chief Minister and ing a great enthusiasm in joining hands with perhaps all our hon. M. Ps. from Assam met the public sedor in setting up refineries. For me and then we conceded that demand also. instance, in Kamal and in Mangalore so We agreed to set up the refinety in the public many days they stood in queue before the sector. Now we are taking all parallel steps. Government and were very anxious to grab We are doing our job of preparation of the this project as partners. I am told, it is for the feasbility report, formation of the company, Minister to say, that so far as the private etc. So, at the earliest we want to be ready to sector partner in Mangalore refinery is con- refine the oil when the oil production starts. cerned, he has developed cold 1eet and he is soft-pedalling now and at this stage the SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: You must Government has to go in search of another put a time frame. partner, that means, another de novo exercise. I want to know whether in regard to SHRI BRAHMA DUIT: I think any refin- private sector partner in Kamal and also in ery will take not less than four years to be Mangalore refinery, they are showing the completed. same interest which they were showing while grabbing this project or are they soft- SHRI WANGPHA lOWANG: Sir, at pending? Hthey are soft pending, what is the present the crude oil from Arunachal is being. remedy that the Government is thinking of? taken to Assam Refinery in Digboi. Now there is a planning to take the crude oil by a SHRI BRAHMA DA IT: As far as I know, pipeline from Arunachal to Digboi, instead of they are not at all softpedalling. They are setting up a refinery in Arunachal Pradesh very much interested in putting up refineries itseH. There is a genuine demand from Arun- and joining hands with us. About Mangalore achal today to set up a refinery in Arunachal refinery, particularly. we asked them to pre- Pradesh. Arunachal is a very backward pare a feasibility report and we have re- State and there are unemployment and ceived it last week and it is under examina- other problems. So, considering all these tion. Simultaneously we have taken all steps aspects, will the Government set up a refin- to create infrastructure so that actually the ery in Arunachal Pradesh. and stop taking of construction work starts. We have acquired crude oil from Arunachal to Oigboi refinery in the land and rehabilitation is taking place. Assam by pipeline? We have asked the Kamataka Government to give us power and steps are being taken. SHRI BRAHMA Dun: Sir, first 01 all, I would like to say this: kindly treat this indus- SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: I have try as a national industry. h is not a regional asked whether the private sector is taking industry. Moreover, Arunachal is a very the same interest in this project. prospective area for us. But we are in the first stage. We have started the production. If SHRI BRAHMA DUTT: Yes, Sir. time comes when the production will be sufficient and i1 we establish the fact that in MR. SPEAKER: Next question- Shri such and such time-frame, the production Bhadreswar Tanti. will be such and such, we will definitely go in for the refinery anywhere where prospects SHRI PARAG CHAlIHA: Sir, I want to are bright because the refinery capacity has put a question. to be increased. MR. SPEAKER: Shri Bhadreswar SHRI VEERENORA PATIL: Sir, I want Tanti. to know from the Government whether their experience of having refineries in the joint SHRI PARAG CHALlHA: Sir, they rise 11 Oral Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Oral Answers 12 daily and they are atIowed to speak. But I temper like that. rise to speak after a great interval ... Supply of Gas to Lakwa Thermal MR. SPEAKER: No. Power Station by ONGC

SHRI PARAG CHAlIHA: Sir. you are *474. SHRt BHADRESWAR TANT1: not kind to us. I am very much interested in Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND putting a questiOn. But you seem to neglect NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: us. You seem to neglect the people who take interest. (Interruptions) I present this atti- (a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas tude. Commission is supplying gas to Lakwa Thermal Power Station; MR. SPEAKER: All right; present it. (b) if so, whether ONGC is asking higher SHRr PARAG CHALlHA: You seem to price for additional supply of gas; be attentive to those people only who raise their hands every day. You never give us an (c) if so, whether Assam Government opportunity to express ourselves. (Interrup- had, in this context, written to Union Govern- tions) ment to supply additional requirement of gas at concessional rate; and SHRr OINESH GOSWAMI: He deals with petroleum product. (d) if so, the decision taken thereon?

MR. SPEAKER: I gave you a chance. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Even an aged man can get worked up like MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- thIS.o I RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUll): (a) Yes, Sir. ( Interruptions) (b) to (d). The Government had fixed the MR. SPEAKER: Don't shout, prices of natural gas in 1987. The Price in the North Eastern states was fixed at Rs. 1000/ 3 SHRt PARAG CHALlHA: I want to 1000 M , exclusive of royalty, taxes, duties .. (Interruptions) and other statutory levies etc, There was also a provision for discount of upto Rs. 5001 MR. SPEAKER: Then you withdraw 1000 M3. The Government of Assam had from the House. requested for concessional prices for the various projects of the state Government. SHAt PARAG CHALlHA: All right, I go The maximum discount of Rs. 500/1000 M3 out. had been given to all supplies of natural gas to the Assam State Electricity Board. Shri Pariig ChaJiha then left the House

AN. HON. MINISTER: This is not a SHRI BHAORESWAR TANTI: Sir, I am misbehaviour, Sir. surprised to see the answer given by the han. Minister. His reply to part (a) of my MR~ SPEAKER: Much more than mis- question is all right. accepted. But so far as behaviour, misdemeanour. his replies to parts (b), (c) and (d) are concerned, he has evaded the main issue. Sir, SHAI BHADRESWAA TANTI: He parts (b), (c) and (d) of my question were: hardly speaks in the House. '(b) if so, whether ONGC is asking higher MR. SPEAKER: He should not lose his price for additional supply of gas; 13 Oral AnSW91S CHAITRA 14.1911 (SAKA) Oral AnSMHS 14

(c) if so, whether Assam Government you gas. had. in this context, written to Union Gov- ernment to supply additional requirement of SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: And you gas at concessionaJ rate; and are responsible for that. I would like to know from the han. Minister the quantum of gas (d) if so, the decision taken thereon?- the ONGC is committed to supply for Lakwa Thermal Power Station. You will not find any reply on the basis of my question. The reply has been like this: Secondly, while the Government of India is supplying the same, what are the • The Government had fixed the price reasons for asking the Government of As- of natural gas in 1987.- sam a higher price of gas? The decision is not yet finalised got supplying the gas at a But the question is whether the Government concessional rate. The ONGC should not of Assam had asked the gas to be supplied supply gas at a higher rate. This is not at all to Lakwa Thermal Power station on a at a concessional rate. It should be supplied concessional basis. He has not replied to at a reasonable and concessional rate. I that. So, I want the Minister to give a specific would like to know about this from the hon. reply to my question. Minister.

SHRI BRAHMA DUTT: Sir, I have al- SHRI BRAHMA DUTT: Sir, I have already submitted in my answer that the ready submitted that the ONGC is not asking Government of Assam had requested for a higher price. The maximum concession is concessional prices for the various projects being given, that is allowed. The situation is of the State Government. And we have given otherwise. The ONGC is committed to sup- the maximum concession, which was per- ply 4.5 lacs M3 a day while the lifting is only missible. 2.7 lacs M3 per day. O.I.L. is committed to supply 8 lacs M3 a day, the lifting is near SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: Sir, be- about 4 lacs M3. More cover our arrears of fore I put my second Supplementary, I would payment amounted to Rs. 26 crores. But like to say that gas is a national product even then the Harings came down substan- which is available amply in Assam and every tially. day crores of rupees have been burnt. it has not been utilised properly by the Govern- SHRI ATAUR RAHMAN: After 30 ment of India. (Interruptions). h is not under years. the Government of Assam, it is under the Government of India, under the ONGC, SHRIBRAHMA DUTIA: No no. It is not under the Ministry of Petroleum. But it is in our fault, Sir. They are not lifting according to the Assam soil. what all commitments we have made. And we have made commitments for 7.06 lacs Sir, the Government of India is not tak- M3 a day and we have already gone ahead ing Assam as part and parcel of the country to find money and to prepare a feasibility and that is why there this neglecting attitude, report for connecting all the gas sources of step-motherly attitude. And if the gas is Assam and then also requested them to put properly utilised, there woukf have been a the subsidiary pipeline. Everything is going number of industries and many problems of on. I do not know why the hon. Member unemployment could have been solved. But accuses us of neglecting and not treating because of the neglecting attitude, it has not them as part of India. You are very much part been utilised properly. of India prestigious part of India.

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: Are you VASANT SATHE): Now, you are burning going to take up the project? 15 Oral Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Oral Answers 16

SHRI BRAHMA DUn: That is already (b) if so, whether similar training is being under preparation. We have approached give to Indian personnel also; and the World Bank for financing. We are helping the Assam Government to set up a power (c) if not, the reasons therefor? plant also. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI SHRI HAREN BHUMU: The Minister in J. VENGAL RAO): (a) Five persons from his reply has stated that the maximum dis- Nepal were trained for a period of 4 weeks in count of As. 500 per 1,000 cubic metre has the Operation and Maintenance of Turbines been given to all supplies of na1ural gas to and Gf.merators. Assistance in training has the Assam State Electric~y Board. Besides also beer, offered to personnel from some this, Lakwa project, Namrup Thermal project developing countries like Malaysia, Indone- as well as hundreds of tea gardens and sia, Guyarla. Gambia and Swaziland. others are consumers of this natural gas in the State of Assam. It is also a fact that large (b) and (c). Training to personnel of quantities of natural gas is being flared up utilities and !fldustries in India is being given day and night in the State of Assam in the oil by BHEl as a regular practice. During 1988- field. 89 abo\Jt 300 persons have availed of training In various BHEL Units. In addition, ex- May I request through you to the hon. perts are deputed to various sites for discus- Minister, whether he would see that the sionstfamiliarisation on requests from the Government make endeavor to supply nalu- customHS. ral gas to these industries and to these projects at a most concessional price, as [ Translation] desired by the State Government of Assam. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: Mr. SHRI BRAHMA DUn: About Assam, I Speaker, Sir. I would like to know from the have already submitted that they have not hon. Minister the total strength of the em- suggested any further concession. What- ployees and workers of the BHEL group of ever maximum concession that is permis- industries and the total number ot personnel sible has been already given. In fact, tea from foreign countries trained by BHEL dur- plantation companies have welcomed these ing the year 1988. Regarding Nepal, it has prices. Only one tea company had ap- been stated that 5 persons from that country proached the court. The best way to utilise were imparted training but I would like to the gas will be to expedite putting up of know the total number of foreign personnel downstream industry and we are helping trained by BHEL and the norms in this re- them in the process. gard. It training imparted to the personnel of only those countries to which BHEl equip- Training in Operation and Maintenance ments are exported or is such training im- of Power Plant Equipments parted under some agreement?

·475. SHRI BANWARI LAL PURO HITt: [English] PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE:

Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: Those who buy pleased to state: BHEL equipments-only to them, we have given training. For others, we will not give (a) whether the Bharat Heavy Electri- training. As I said, in answer to part (a), we cals Limited proposes to train personnel have already trained 4 to 5 persons of Nepal. from developing countries in operation and We have offered the same facilities to Malay- m~intenance of power plant equipment. sia and other countries. 17 Ora} Answers CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) Ora} Answers 18

[ Translation] We are giving training to the employees of the Electricity Boards and the Corpora- SHRI BANWARILAl PUROHIT: Mr. tion. Our BHEL people are already trained Speaker, Sir, the hon. Minister has not re- experts. plied to my supplementary. I wanted to know the total strength of the employees and [ Translation] workers of the BHEL group but no reply has been given. Broadcasting Range of AJ.R. Stations In Uttar Pradesh [English] -477. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the SHRI J. VENGAl RAO: Sir. the total Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD- strength of the BHEL all over India is 63,000 CASTING be pleased to state: workers and 12,000 engineers and officers. The total is 75.000 (a) whether it is proposed to enhance the broadcasting range of some low power [ Translation] A.I.A. Stations in Uttar Pradesh during the next three years, SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: Mr. Speaker. Sir, the han. Minister has stated In (b) if so, the details thereof; and his reply that about 80 thousand people are employed in different unrts of BHEL and (c) the estimated expenditure to be about 300 persons have availed of the train- incurred thereon? ing facilities. Instead of imparting training to [English] the foreign personnel, the Government should train its own personnel first and about THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 2000 such personnel should be given train- MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND ing. Will the Government consider enlarging BROADCASTING (SHRI S. KRISHNA the scope of this scheme? KUMAR): (a) to (c). The approved 7th Plan schemes of upgradation of powers of AIR [English] transmitters at 4 Centres in Uttar Pradesh are envisaged to be completed in the next SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: He is misled by three years. Details regarding upgradation this question and his supplementary is not and the estimated expenditure to be in- correct. curred on each project are given below: S.No. Station From To Estimated Expenditure (in lakhs)

1. Allahabad lA' lKW MW 20KW MW 162.00

2. lucknow (VB) 1 KW MW 10KW MW 111.55

3. Varanasi 10 KWMW 100 KW MW 159.50

4. lucknow 10 KW SW 50KW SW 254.74

[ Translation] pained to note that the senior Minister, who also holds the portfolio of Minister of Parlia- SHRI HAAISH RAWAT: Mr. Speaker, mentary Affairs, is not present in the House Sir, I resped Shri Krishna Kumar. But I am to reply to the question although he is in 19 Oral Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Oral Answets 20

town. (Interruptions) Seventh Plan. We have answered in the main question that four transmitters are [English] being upgraded. There is no proposal at the moment to upgrade the particular transmit- MR SPEAKER: He is equally respon- ter which the hon. Member has mentioned. sible. Don't worry about that. He is bound to answer according to the norms. [ Translation]

SHRI HARISH RAWAT: He is compe- SHRI HARISH RAWAT: There are tent. I know that. many areas in Uttar Pradesh where the transmissions of All India Radio do not reach MR. SPEAKER: h cannot be ques but Chinese transmission is clear. Is there tioned like that. Any Minister from these any proposal to install new transmitters in benches can reply to any question. They are such areas where the transmissions of All authorised. It does not matter India do not reach and ~ yes, how many such transmitters will be installed in U.P.? SHRI HARISH RAWAT: When the senior Minister is present in Delhi, why is he [English] not present here to reply to the question? SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: Sir, if I may MR. SPEAKER: That is not the point add, at Almora the power could not be in- here. He can. creased due to technical reasons and so also at Agra. The State of Uttar Pradesh is SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: He is refer- covered 87 per cent by area and 96 per cent ring to propriety. by population by the existing Radio Station. When the Seventh Plan Schemes are com- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: pleted i.e. when the four Radio Stations are Ahsolutely. upgraded and 10 new Radio Stations are put up, the coverage will increase to 93 per cent SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Technically it by area and 98 per cent by population. It is may be correct true that some of the outside transmissions do reach India. That is a separate question a~ogether. We have a very comprehensive

[Translatic.· 4 scheme for monitoring outside transmissions as also strengthening the transmission SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Mr. Speaker, network in our border areas and for meeting Sir, there are many such low-powered redio any adverse propaganda against our coun- transmitters in Uttar Pradesh the range try through the external transmission. which is limited to a radios of 5 Kms as is the case of transmitters at Agra and Almora. I SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: Sir, the would like to know the steps being taken to transmission in Calcutta is one of the weak- upgrade such transmitters will these trans- est systems. In the border districts, the AII- mitters be upgraded during the Eighth Five India Radio transmission from Calcutta Year Plan? cannot be heired. It clashes with the Bangla- desh Radio and transmission from Bangla- desh Radio is more audible than that of (English1 Calcutta. Further, form Delhi, we never get the news items transmitted from Calcutta. SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: My senior The fact is that Calcutta is a big city with very Minister ;s unavoidably engaged. That is weak transmission system. Will the hon. why, he could not come. Ten new transm~ Minister improve the transmission system so ters are being put up in Uttar Pradesh }n the that we can hear the news item? 21 Oral AnSwelS CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) OraJ AnslNefS 22

PROf. MADHU DANDAVATE : Only lar grievance the hen. Member has got If the after the change of Government in West change of location will improve the overaU bengal it is possible. (Interruptions) transmission network and the availability of signals, we are open to his suggestions. SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: At present, there are two transmitter existing in Cal- SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: cutta- one is a 2.5 kilowatt medium transmit- There is a problem relating to Bhubanesh- ter to be upgraded to 10 kilowatt medium war. H you open Delhi T elevjsion, you can transmitter. This has already been done. see Dhaka. I do not know as to how it can be Secondly, the 50 kilowatt medium-wave redified. But the fact remains. h is disgusting transmitter will be upgraded to 100 kilowatt that whenever you open, you can see Dhaka medium-wave transmiUer. and not Delhi. May I know whether anything could be done here? SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: When? PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: When- SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: Before the ever we open, we see the Prime Minister. completion of the Seventh Plan period, it will be done. As the hen. Member is awares, the SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: As the ranges of the various transmitters vary. That hen. Member is aware, television or broad- is the technical constraint. It is not necessary casting signals do not respect international that everywhere in India each transmission boundaries. But we do have a very compre- has to be heard. That is not possible. hensive scheme for strengthening the border telecast system as well as the border SHRI SOMNATH RA TH: I would like to broadcasting system. And more than Rs. know from the han. Minister whether the 100 crores in being spent in the Seventh Government is going to install a low power Plan through three sets of schemes for Air Station at Berhampur in Ganjam District upgrading the T. V. transmitters in our border of Orissa. Sir, Berhampur happens to be the areas. Apart from hardware expansion outskirts of Ganjam District. On the one side Schemes are being implemented for improv- there is the ocean and on the other side there ing our programmes for the external trans- are this problems. J would like to know from mission so that any propaganda from the the hon. Minister whether the Government neighboring countries can be effectively instead of installing this station at Berham- responded to. pur, would think of installing it at Aska which is centrally situated so that all the Districts Use of Foreign Trade Marks will be benefited by this AIR Station. *478. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will MR. SPEAKER: I don't think it is pos- the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to sible. refertothe reply given on 30 August, 1988to Starred Question No. 416 regarding use of ( Interruptions) Foreign Trade Marks and state:

SHRI K. KRISHNA KUMAR: I would like (a) Whether Government have com- to inform the han. Minister that the location of pleted the review of the policy of regulating the new additional infrastructure of All India the use of Foreign Trade Marks in the d0- Radio has been decided after carefully con- mestic market and taken a decision in the sidering the reach of the existing infrastruc- matter; ture and the transmission as also the uncov- ered areas. I am sure that the location about (b) what is the present policy in this which the hon. Minister is mentioning has regard; and also been decided in that manner. However, we have no objection to look into any particu- (c) the steps proposed to develop and 23 Oral Answers APRil 4, 1989 Oral Answers 24 el1CX)urage Indian brand names? India is required for use of foreign trade marks if such use involves direct or indirect THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE consideration. Otherwise, we have no provi- DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- sion in the Ad. OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) The SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: In Part 'C' of policy for regulating the use of foreign trade my question, I have asked about the steps marks for ~re of goods in the domestic proposed to be taken to develop and encour- market is under review in all its aspects. No age Indian brand names. The han. Minister decision has been taken in the matter so far. has not answered to my question. I want an answer on that issue. Besides that, on 30th (b) and (c). The Government's policy is August 1988, hon. Minister Shri Vengal not to encourage the use of foreign brand Raoji while replying to a Starred Question names on products meant for sale in the No. 416 to Mr. Anand Pathak and Mr Indrajit domestic market. While approving foreign Gupta, had categorically stated and I quote; collaborations, a standard condition in therefore laid down that the use of foreign brand .. Now we are constrained to bring a Bill names will not be allowed on products meant before the Session to restrict foreign for internal sales. brand trade marks."

SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: May I know After a lapse of 8 or 9 months what action has tram the han. Minister, in spite of the Government taken? I think the Govern- Government's guidelines for not allowing ment has not taken any action. So I want a use of foreign trade marks or names in the categorical answer from the Han. Minister to products meant for indigenous use, every- the question as to when this Bill is to be day we have been listening about new for- brought; whether ~ will be in this session or eign brand names in so many articles which not; and if not, when. are mainly used in the country, what is the reason for that? And what action has the SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM : The issue is a Government taken to prevent such use of complex one. We are studying the issue. We foreign brand names? You will kindly see will take action when the study is complete. that Section 28 (1) (c) of FERA does not allow use of such foreign brand names which SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. OED: involve any consideration, direct or indirect. The question of foreign trade names has What is the meaning of this consideration been discussed in this House earlier also. when the Government, inspite of FERA, is Using a 10reign brand name also implies not paying attention to prevent it? Is it not the foreign collaboration. Time and again we FERA violation? So, may I know from the have been given assurances in this House Government what is the intention of the that the Government will not allow the use of Government and whether they are thinking foreign brand names and that they also will to bring any such Bill to prevent it or to issue not allow technical collaborations in areas such guidelines to prevent it? where we have indigenous technoJogy.

SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: Under the What is happening today is that in areas present Trade Marks and Merchandise Act where we have indigenous technology like of 1958, the Central Government has pow- for example tomato sauce, etc. we are get- ers to direct the Registrar of Trade Marks to ting foreign brand names and collabOra- refuse registration to the proposed user of tions. This also drains our exchequer and we trade mark. We cannot prevent the use of lose a lot of foreign exchange. That apart, it any trade marks including the foreign trade also hampers the growth of our home indus- names. Under the Foreign Exchange Regu- try. Therefore I would like the Hon. Minister lation Act, permission of the Reserve Bank of to give an assurance that foreign technology 25 Oral AnsW91S CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Oral AnswelS 26 licences will not be given In areas where we (c) whether any Industry In the central have Indigenous technologies and even In sector has been located In Orissa dUring the areas where we reqUire this technology, the Seventh Plan, and Government will take necessary steps to ensure that foreIgn brand names are not (d) whether there IS any such proposal used to Just sell the goods Irrespective of the for Eighth Plan, If so, the details thereof? quality of production What steps Will the Government take to see that th,s IS ,mmed,- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ately controlled? DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- SHRI J VENGAL RAO While ISSUing TRY (SHRI M ARUNACHALAM) (a) to (d) letters 01 mtent and licences we are Imposmg A statement IS given below a condItion But some companies are stili uSing the foreIgn brand names One diffI- STATEMENT culty IS that In the International scene our country IS not a member of the Paris conven- (a) and (b) As on 31 Sl March, 1989,11 tion It IS very dIfficult to Implement this (Eleven) applications for grant of Letters of foreign trade mark We are conSidering all Intent for Ortssa are at various stages of the legal aspects and we Will certainly look processing The details of such pending Into It proposals as not divulged till the final decision of the Government IS taken thereon It IS SHRI S JAIPAL REDDY There are the constant endeavour of the Government many cases where even collaboration ar- to dispose of all the licenSing applications as rangement IS not avaIlable Even In those expeditiously as pOSSible conditions bIg advertisements are appear- Ing In the Press In regaro to the goods {c} No new Central Public Sector available abroad relating to such sectors as Undeliaklng has been set up In Onssa dur- automobile sector, TV sector, eatables, Ing the seventh FIve Year Plan so far drinks, cIgarettes and so on and so forth Therefore, Will the Government take steps to (d) The Eighth Five Year Plan IS yet to see that propaganda In the Indian Press and be finalised In the media through advertIsements IS not allowed to be given to products not produced SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY The In India? Minister In hiS answer has said that details of such pending proposals are not dIvulged till SHRIJ VENGAL RAO Wetake noteof the final deCISion of the Government is taken the Han Member s suggestion thereon I am not Insisting on thiS either

Clearance to Projects of Orissa I would like to know whether any exercise has been made In the Industry MInister *479 SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MO- to see that the letters of Intent cleared durtng HANTY. the 7th Plan perIod and Investment made Will SHRI K. PRADHANI bnng about any perceptible change In the regional Imbalance of which Orissa IS suffer- Will the MInister of INDUSTRY be Ing from pleased to state SHRI J VENGAL RAO In Orissa In the (a) the details of projects of Orissa 7th Plan period Investment has gone up In awartlng clearance at Union Government, BaUXIte Mine our Investment IS Rs 62 70 crores In NALCO our Investment IS Rs. (b) the steps taken to clear these proJ- 2476 90 crores In SIlicon Steel Project it IS acts; Rs 186 crores and odd In Captive Power 27 Oral Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Ora} Answet3 28

Plant of Rourkela it s As. 209 crores. And in (b) if so, the details thereof and the the modernisation of Rourkela Steel Plant, steps proposed to be taken by Government Phase-' it is Rs. 415 crores. So more than to solve their problems? As. 3000 crores are in Orissa now. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: The DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- hon. Minister wants to create some smoke OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- around everything. NALCO is a project of TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) and 1980. It was cleared in Sixth Plan. My ques- (b). A statement is given tion is about Seventh Plan. Whatever it may be may I know whether while granting the STATEMENT letter of intent and approving the investment proposal the backwardness of the State and (a) Yes, Sir. the regional imbalance as taken into consideration? H so, give details thereof. (b) The study focusses attention on marketing problems of small scale indus- SHRI J. VENGAL AAO: In Seventh tries. The survey results reveal that the Plan itself we invested As. 2195.7 crores in extent of marketing problem is higher for Orissa. those products that are directly marketed by small scale units and that the problems are SHRI K. PRADHANI: The Minister in he lesser in case of products sold as ancillary reply stated that it is not advisable to give items or through other marketing compa- detail in respect of applications pending for nies. Causes of marketing problems men- grat of licence. Sir, in my areas maize is tioned in the study include lack of resources grown in large area and it is under distress with small scale Industries, inability of offer sale for want to starch factory.One private complete product ranges and competitive industrialist was given a licence to start a terms of trade, lack of demand, emergence starch factory at Umerkot but he is not taking of substitutes, etc. It also mentions that the any step to establish this industry. May I small entrepreneurs should have the mar- know from the han. Minister whether he can keting judgement and competence to care- pursue this licensee to establish the factory fully build their marketing strategy; but. in early or cancel his licence to enable another view of their small size which gives rise to applicant to establish this industry? marketing problems, there is a very strong case for continues assistance and protec- SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: We can con- tion to small scale units. sider this point. Marketing is an entreproneurial function and small scale units have been under- Problem of Same all Scale Indus- taking marketing operations on their own. tries However, Government, in keeping with its policy of providing support to small scale *480. SHRI P. M. SAYEEDt: industries, have been extending marketing SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: assistance to the small scale sector through Central Govt. Stores Purchase Programme, Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be programmes for ancillary and sub-contrad- pleased to state: ing linkages, buyer-seller meets, programme of exhibitions, reservation of items (a) whether the attention of Govern- for exclusive manufacture in the small scale ment has been drawn to the findings of a sector, and assLstance in obtaining scarce'l study undertaken by the Federation of In- imported raw materials. Marketing support is dian Chambers of Commerce and Industry also provided by National Small Industries (FICel) on the problems of small scale in- Corporation and State Small Industries , dustries in the country; and Development Corporations. 29 Writtsn Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 30

SHRI P. M. SAYEED: The Indian tially higher cost on power generation than Chamber of Commerce and Industry has what is spec~ied in the tariff agreements with conducted a survey in which they have the various Regional Boards; and brought out the case of the small industries ad especially on the marketing side these (b) whether the increased cost of power units find it very difficult. Therefore they have generation is being compensated through a given a number of suggestions. The survey hike in the tariff; ~ not, the steps taken or results reveal that the extent of marketing problem is higher for those products that are proposed to be taken to meet the increased directly marketed by small scale units and cost of power generation by the National that the problems are Jesser in case of prod- Thermal Power Corporation? uds sold as ancillary items or through other marketing companies. They also say that THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lack of resources and their inability to offer DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- complete products range and competitive TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): terms of trade, etc are there. (a) and ((b). The existing tariff agreements between the National Thermal Power Cor- Sir, we have got the National Small poration (NTPC) and the various State Elec- Industries Corporation and the State Small tricity Boards-which are based on the cost Industries Development Corporation. I want of generation of 200 MW units-call for revi- to know from the hon. Minister whether the survey conducted by this agency is ap- sion following the completion of 500 MW proved by the Government or are they in units by the Corporation. The NTPC have agreement with the findings of the survey. If forwarded the proposals in this regard to the so, what are the specific measures that Electricity Boards concerned. Government contemplates to remove ths bottleneck? Technological Developments In Consumer Goods SHRI J. VENGAL RAO: The survey c;onducted by IFCCI is only in respect of *481. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: 2000 units out of the 161akh small scale units Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to in the country. Out of 2000 units they get response from only 204 units. Fifteen per- state: cent of the industries they covered mentioned there is no marketing problem. They (a) whether the goal set out in Seventh have mentioned something about sickness. Plan document of bringing about technologi- We are taking action. It is not a mandate to cal developments in domestic industry to the Government. It is a representation to the achieve excellence in product design as also Government and we are considering all the reduction in price through mass production points. has been achieved;

WRIDEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (b) if not, the reasons therefor;

Cost of Power Generation by National (c) the reasons due to which consumer Thermal Power Corporation items like razors, blades and dry battery cells are neither quality products nor low priced -476. SHRI VISHNU MODI: Will the and the consumer complaints received if Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: any, in this regard; and

(a) whether the National Thermal (d) the remedial steps taken or contem- Power Corporation is incurring a substan- plated by Government? 31 Written AnSWMS APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 32

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI eign investO'1ent and state: J. VENGALA RAO): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) the foreign capital actually invested (b) Does not arise. in the country in respect of approved proposals during 1987 and 1988, separately; (c) and (d). It is the Government's assessment that in specified industries like (b) the number of proposals approved wrist watches, razor blades, dry battery cells during the last three years, year-wise and etc. the various policy packages imple- the total value for each year; and mented by the Government for technolog ical development have enabled the concerned (c) whether Government monnor the industries to achieve a reasonable level of progress of implementation of the approved excellence in the quality of their products. proposals? THE MII"4ISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Foreign capital Investment J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (c). The total number of foreign collaborations and the number ·482. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: of foreign collaborations involving foreign Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to investment approved by the Government refer to the reply given on 7 March, 1989 to" during the last three years: 1986, 1987 and Unstarred Question No. 1527 regarding for- 1988 are given befow:-

Year Total number of foreign No. of cases involving Foreign Investment approved collaborations approved foreign im'estment (Amount Rs. Lakhs)

1986 957 240 10695.15

1987 853 242 10770.57

1988 926 282 23975.75

Actual investment figures are available GAS be pleased to state: only upto 1987. The actual add~ional invest: ment in India (excluding investment by (a) the names of refineries which are NRls) for the year 1987 is Rs. 3864 lakhs. producing Calcined Petroleum Coke; and There is generally a time lag between approval of foreign collaboration and the actual (b) their existing production capacities implementation of the project. Monitoring of and actual production of Calcined Petroleum progress of implementation of approved Coke during the last three years? proposals is the responsibility of the Sta1e Government! various Administrative Minis- tries. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU~ Production of CaJclnad Petroleum Coke RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) and (b). Barauni and 8ongaigaon refineries are 483. SHRr MADAN PANDEY: Will the producing Calcined Petroleum Coke (CPC) Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL as under: 33 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnsW9/S 34

PfOductlOn capacity Actual PrOductIOn (In tonf)9s) (In tonnes)

(Per annum) 1985-86 1986-87 1987·88

Barauni refinery 45,000 32,300 32,200 32,900

Bongaigaon refinery 52,500 12,550 7,136 15,281

BHEL's entry Into Armament Business THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) a complaint was re- *484. SHRI H. A. DORA: Will the Min- ceived from Secretary, public Interest Litiga- ister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state; tion Legal Aid Services Society (PILLASS). seeking enquiry into the transaction relating (a) whether the Sharat Heavy Electri- to the import of cement made by the West cals Limited proposes to enter into arma- Bengal Essential Commodities Supply Cor- ment business; and poration (WBECSC) from North Korea.

(b) H so, the details thereof and the (b) and (c). The Enforcement Director- reasons therefor? ate of the Ministry of Finance are looking into the complaint. It is not, therefore, possible at THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI this stage to state whether any contraven- J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). As part of its tion of provisions of Foreign Exchange diversification programme, BHEL has plans Regulation Act (FERA) is involved in the to take up manufacture of defence related deal. items such as field guns, electronic equipment, etc. Regarding Drilling Work In West Bengal

Purchase of Cement from North Korea *486. SHRJ GADADHAR SAHA: Will byWBECSC the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS be pleased to state: *485. SHRI VIJAY KUMAR MISHRA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to (a) whether drilling work for finding oil sta1e: and gas is going on in mdny parts of Birbhum and Burdwan districts of West Bengal; (a) whether Government have received ;:J complaint against the West Bengal Essen- (b) if so, the numbercl drilling platforms tial Commodities Supply Corporation working at present; and (WBECSE), about the purchase in 1984 of cement worth Rs. 30 crores from North (c) the result of this,drilling work so far? Korea in violation of tender rules; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) whether the Department for the MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- Foreign Exchange Regulations Act has RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUn): (a) and enquired into this transaction; and (b). At present 3 rigs are drilling in the onshore areas of West Bengal. Of these two (c) if so, the details thereof? are drilling wells namely Palasi-1 and Main- 35 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers· 36

agar-1 in the Burdwan District. No drilling is Pilferage of Coal in ECl being done in the Birbhum District. •489. DR. SUDHIR RaY: Will the Minis- (c) The results of this exploratory drilling ter of ENERGY be pleased to state: ~iII be known only after completion of drilling and production testing., (a) whether coal pilferage is reported on a huge scale in the Eastern Coalfields lim- loss of Industrial Production Due to ited; Power Cuts (b) if so, the estimated loss on this *487. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY: count; SHRI S. M. GURADDI: (c) the instances of pilferage which Will the Minister of ENERGY be came to netice of Government during the last pleased to state: two years; and

.I,' (a) whether industrial production in the (d) the remedial steps taken by Govern- countryhas been greatly affected due to ment? . _ power cuts; and . THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI (b) if so, the steps proposed to be taken VASANT SATHE): (a) Sporadic attempts by Union Government to ensure adequate are made by miscreants a~d antisocial

po,,!,er supply to the States? I elements to pilfer coal from wagens, stock- yards, depots etc. , THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MIN IS- (b) It is difficultto make any accurate TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALPNATH RAI): estimate of loss due to pilferage of coal; but (a) The industrial production is dependent of the -incidence of pilferage is not sizeable. '"veral factors like availability of raw mate- During the last three years, the following rial, demand for the product, industrial rela- quantity of pilfered coal was recovered:- ., tions, forced outage of "'equipments, management efficiency, etc. Therefore, loss in production on account of power shortaqe Year Quantity' Value alone cannot be quantified. (In M. T.) (Rs. in Lakh)

~.i . ;.\.;:.(b} With a view to improve the availabil- 1987 7,05~ ~9.61 (ty of power in the country, various measures, such as, expediting cornrnissloninq of 1988 8,'227 . 23.86 new capacity, maximising generatien from the existing thermal capacity, early stabilisa- 1989 2,303 7.85 tion of newly cemmissioned units, improving the performance of the existing thermal (Up to. 25.3.89) power stations, reducing transmission and distribution losses, implementation of energy conservation and demand manage- (c) The instances of pilfek.ge and ment measures, and implementing. short number of persons .arrested since 1987 are gestation· projects are being ·u'ndertaken. as follows: ..' . , .. 37 WriltenAnsw9tS CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 38

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI Year Instances of No. of persons VASANT SATHE): Pifferage arrested (a) Arrangements exist in the various coal companies for regular 1987 812 209 .supply of potable drinking water through the Integrated Water 1988 1,019 133 Supply Schemes, deep tubewells, pumps and open wells. 1989 116 35

(b) Yes, Sir. Occasionally, when (Up to 25.3.89) there is break-down of the regu- (d) Effective steps in coordination with lar system or there is increased the State Government authorities are taken demand of water during peak to check piHerage of coal. These include (i) summer period, water is also Constant surveillance in the areas and inten- supplied through tankers to sification of mobile patrolling by security augment the depleting supplies. fores of the company and the CISF personnel. (ii) Constant liaison with the police and (c) The Coal India Limited compa- district authorities. (iii) Installation of check nies spent about Rs. 37 Lakhs posts at strategic points. on supply of water through tankers during 1988-89. [ Translation] (d) The expenditure of providing Supply of Drinking Water in Coal Mine water through taps on regular Areas basis to entire work-force and their family members in the co- *490. SHRI YOGESHWAR PRASAD alfield areas will be approxi- YOGESH: Will the Minister f ENERGY be mately of the order of Rs. 65 pleased to state: crores. (e) Steps taken by the coal compa- (a) the arrangements made for the nies to improve water supply supply of drinking water in coal mine areas; position include: (1) Augmenta- tion of the installed capacity of (b) whether drinking water is also sup- water plants through new water plied in colonies through tankers in order to supply schemes (2) Participa- meet water scarcity; tion in relAvant water supply schemes of the agencies of the (c) if so, the amount spent by the Coal State Governments (3) Adoption India Limited on supply of water through of deep bore hole system and tankers every year; digging of more open tubewells. [English] (d) the estimated-expenditure on pro- Assistance by French Industries In Gas viding water through taps on regutar basis; Sector and *491 SHRI SHANTILAL PATEL: SHRrMATI BASAVARAJES- (e) the steps proposed to be taken for WARI: making permanent arrangement there in Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND place of water supply through tankers? NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: 39 WriltsnAnswers APRil 4, 1989 Wrlltsn AnswBlS 40

(a) whether French industries have THE MINISTER OF PARL lAME N· evinced keen interest in investing in the gas T ARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- sector; FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) to(e). The infor- (b) whether any agreemenl has been mation is being collected and will be laid on signed in this regard; and the Table of the House.

THE MINISTER OF S1 ATE OF THE Projects undertaken by Gas Authority MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- of India Limited RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) to (c). Some French Companies have shown inter- 4556. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: est in taking up work in various projects Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND relating to natural gas. Based on techno- NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: economic evaluation of the offers, a few of them have been awarded oontracts for con- (a) whether Government have decided sultancy, supply of equipment and construc- to transfer more gas producing facilities from tion activities in various projects relating to the 0,1 and Natural Gas Commission to the natural gas. Gas Authority of India Ltd. (GAIL);

[ Trans/ation] (b) if not, how the Gas Authority of India ltd. will survive beyond the Hazira-Bijaipur- Use of Cable Television In Metropolitan Jagdishpur pipeline project; CIties (c) the futu re plan of the Gas Authority of 4555. SHRI S. D. SINGH: India Ltd. and whether it propose to diversify; and Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: (d) IT so, its broad features, the cap~al outlay involved and how the Gas Authority of (a) whether Catvision (cable television) India Ltd propose 10 meet the same? is rapidly catching on in metropolitan cities; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) the estimated number of private MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- companies engaged in it; RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUn): (a) to (d). 11 is proposed to vest responsibility of proc- (c) the extent of income earned by essing, marketing and transportation of Goverrment every year from these compa- natural gas 10 Gas Authority of India Ltd. in nies and the baSIS thereof; phases. GAIL are already implementing the HBJ gas pipeline project and are supplying (d) whether prior permission oj Govem- gasto various consumers along the pipeline. ment is required in this regard and if not, the Gas Authority of India Limited has proposed reason thereof; and to take up new schemes. It is at present con~tructing an LPG extraction plant at (e) whether these companies ar trying Bijaipur, Madhya Pradesh at an approxi· 10 import European T. V. cuhure bv installing mate cost of Rs. 297 crores. This will be . disr' CL;t~nna&? financed largely from GAIL's internal ra- 41 Written Answers CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 42 source generation. (a) the approximate call completion rate of Delhi Telephone at the time of the forma- Amendment to laws for Protection of tion of Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Lim- Interests of Bhopal Gas Victims ited in 1986;

4557. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: (b) whether the call completion rate has Wdl the Minister OF INDUSTRY be pleased now been increased; and to state: (c) if so, the details of present rate of call (a) whether there is a pressing demand completion 01 Delhi Telephones? from the organisations of the victims of Bhopal Gas tragedy that necessary amend- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN lliE ments should be made in the concerned MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION (SHRI laws to ensure the protection of the interests GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The Call com- of the Bhopal gas victims; and pletion rate of local network for the month of March, 1986 was 79.1% (77.1%). (b) if so, the response of Union Govern- ment thereto? (b) Yes, Sir.

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI (c) The call completion rate during the J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). A few Special month of February 1989 was 96.9%, the Leave petitions have been filed in the Su- improvement being mainly due to preme Court of India challenging the validity of the Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster (Process- (i) introduction of electronic exchanges ing of Claims) Act, 1985. These petitions are in Delhi network; and being heard by a Special Bench constituted for this purpose and the matter is subjudice. (ii) Exclusion of calls to and from Fari- dabad and Ghaziabad networks in the as- S.T.D. Facility In Maharashtra sessment.

4558. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT: Will Electrification of Colonies of Group the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Housing Societies pleased to state the names of the cities and towns in Maharashtra which are likely to be 4560. KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: provided with STD facility during 1989? Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to THE MINISTER F STATE IN THE state: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): The foliowing sta- (a) whether the group housing societies tions are planned to be provided with sro which have been given loan by the DDA in facility in the remaining part of 1989:- the Pocket IV, Pitam Pura, Delhi have de- Alibagh, Bhiwandi, Barshi, Ichalkaranji, posited the required amount with the DESU & Latur. for electrification of the housing complexes of these Societies; Call Completion Rate of Deihl Tele- phones (b) if so, when the electr~ication work 4559. SHRI SRIKANTHA DA ITA will be completed by OESU in these colo- NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR: will the Min- nies; ister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (c) whether it is proposed to give tempo- 43 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers

rary connections in these colonies pending (a) whether representation hal been the completion of th electrification work for given to physically handicapped persons on the housing complexes particularly when the the Advisory Boards of Telephen .. in metro- houses are ready for occupation;and politan cities;

(d) if so, the formalities which the indi- (b) if so, the details thereof; and vidual Group Housing societies/individual flat holders have to complete in this regard? (c) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF 5T ATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER INTHE MINIS- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAl): GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) to (c). No ex- (a) and (b). The status of electrification of clusive representation to physically handi- each colony of the Group Housing Societies capped parsons has bean reserved in the depends on the payments made by them. Telepho'1e t.dvisOfY Committees because The DESU has already framed electrifica- of "m~ed number ~f vacancies available. tion schemes of 25 colonies of the Co- However, physically handicapped persons operative Group Housing Societies In Pitam- can be nominated to represent interests in pura and released them for execution on categories I:ke press medical profession, receipt of necessary payment from them. legal profession, Trade, Commerce & Indus- The electrijication work in respect of 19 such try, & public workers etc. colonies has already been completed and the electrification work of 4 colonies is ex- Production of Plastic and Plastic pected to be completed by July. 1989. The Goods work in the remaining two colonies is proposed to be taken in hand in due course for 4562. SHRI PARASRAM BHARDWAJ: progressive completion by Dec., 1989, sub- Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to ject to the availability of clear sites and state: fulfilment of other conditions etc. (a) the steps taken by Government to (c) and (d). The facility of temporary accelerate the production of plastic and connections through a common service line plastic goods; to be laid and maintained by the concerned society can be extended in a colony, whose (b) the number of units engaged in plas- electrification scheme has already been re- tic manufacture which are economically leased for execution at the specific request viable; and of the concerned society on completion of usual commercial formalities and after as- (c) whether Government propose to certaining the technical feasibility of the load give any incentives to the enterpreneurs to from the nearby existing mains of DESU. increase the production of plastic and plastic goods? Representation to Physically Handi- capped on the Telephone Advisory THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Boards J. VENGAL RAO): (a) Additional capacities for the manufacture of plastic raw materials 4561. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Minis- have been approved and are in the process ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to of being established. This is a continuous 'state; process. Thus the Maharashtra has Cracker 45 Wriltsn AnSW9lS CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answ91S 46

Complex is scheduled for mechanical com- Increase of Power In Thermal Power pletion in 1989. With its commissioning, the Stations domestic availability of plastics raw materials will almost be doubled. Similarly a letter 4563. SHRI MURLlDHAR MANE: Will of intent has been issued for setting up a the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: cracker complex at Hazira in Gujarat State; (a) the extent to which power genera- in this complex also various plastic raw tion of each thermal power station, after materials will be produced. modernisation is likely to be increased; and

In the meanwhile the gap between (b) the estimated amount to be spent on demand and availability of plastic raw mate- the implementation of the power schemes? rials is being met through imports which are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE allowed on OGl. DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): (b) No census in this regard have been (a) and (b). An additional generation of about carried out. Such information is not compiled 7000 million units per year is expected to accrue after the completion of the Renova- by this Ministry. However, increase in inter- tion and Modernisation programme in re- national prices of plastic raw material to- spect of thermal stations. The sanctioned getherwith their inadequate availability have cost of the Programme is Rs. 1083.26 reportedly been adversely affecting the visi- crores. comprising Rs. 455.09 crores under bility of some plastic processing units. Central Lo'an Assistance and Rs. 628.17 crores under State Plan/Own Resources. (c). Incentives allowed to Small Scale The additional generation which is expected Units and for setting up industries in back- to accrue, station-wise, per year and the ward areas, etc. are available to plastic and sanctioned costs, station-wise, are given in plastic processed goods industries also. the Statement below. 47 Writt9n Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 48

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New Thermal Power Station In Andhra (c) how much power is produced at Pradesh Ramagundam Thermal power station to meet the demand of Andhra Pradesh? 4564. SHRI C. SAMBHU: Will the Min- ister 01 ENERGY be pleased to state: THE MINISTER F STATE IN THE (a) whether there is any proposal to DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- install a new thermal power station in Andhra TRYOF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): Pradesh; (a) and (b). the details of the thermal power projects under execution in Andhra Pradesh (b) if so, the details thereof; and are as follows:-

51. No. Project Capacity Present commissioning schedule

Central Sector

(i) Ramagundam Super Thermal Power Station, Unit 6. 500 1990-91

State Sector

(i) Vijayawada Thermal Power Stations 2 X 210 1989-90 Stage-II, Units 3 &4.

(ii) Combined Cycle Thermal Power Station at Vijjeswaram Gas Turbine, Units- 1&2 2 X 33 1989-90

Steam Turbine Unit-1 1 x 33 1990-91

(iii) Rayalaseema (Muddanur) Thermal Power Station, Units 1 & 2. 2 x 210 Not firmed up.

(c) Andhra Pradesh has an allocation of (a) whether the Directorate of Advertis- 295 MW from out of the 1100 MW capacity ing and Visual Publicity (D.A.V.P.) has given which is presently under commercial advertisements to some daily newspapers operation at the Ramagundam Super Ther- published from Patna (Bihar); and mal Power Station. (b) if so, the amount paid therefor from ( Translation] January, 1987 to February, 1989.

D.A.V.P. Advertisements to Newspa- THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- pers In Bihar TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- FORMATION AND BROADCASTING 4565. SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD: Will (SHRI H.K.l. BHAGAT): (a) Yes, Sir. the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to stlite: (b) Advertisements amounting to As. 57 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnsW81S 58

47,84,754/- were released to newspapers (a) the steps being taken to release published from Patna during the period Government advertisements and newsprint January, 1987 to February, 1989. quota to newspapers and periodicals on the basis of space devoted to scientific develop- [English] ments, views of scholars on han-political problems and the news reflecting the tradi- Emoluments of Extra Departmental tional human higher values; Branch post Masters (b) whether there is any proposal for 4566. DR. A. K. PATEL: Will the Minis- convening any conference of intellectuals in ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to this regard; and state: (c) if so, the details thereof? (a) whether there is any disparity in fixing the emoluments of Extra Departmen- THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- tal employees (other than ED Branch Post TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- Masters) and ED Branch Post masters; FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI K.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) Government (b) nso, the steps taken to remove this advertisements and newsprint are released disparity; and to newspapers in accordance with the Governments' Advertising Policy and the (c) the basic factors taken into account Newsprint Allocation Policy and not with for fixing the emolu ments of different catego- reference to space devoted by the newspa- ries of Extra Departmental employees? pers and magazines to different subjects.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) No, Sir. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) (a) to (c) Basic (c) Does not arise. allowance of Extra Departmental employees is fixed on the uniform principle of work- Generation of Power Using Natural Gas load. The workload of all categories of Extra from Krishna-Godavari Basin Departmental employees (other than Extra Departmental Branch Postmasters) is deter- 4568. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: Will the mined on the basic of norms applicable to Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state; corresponding types of work performed by regular staff. The Workload of Extra (a) whether Government are contem- Departmental Branch Postmasters is calcu- plating to generate power using abundant lated on the basis of a point system. natural gas available in Krishna-Godavari basin; and Release of Advertisements and News- print to newspapers Publishing Scien- (b) if so, the details thereof and ~ not, the tific Developments. reasons therefor?

4567. SHRI JAGANNATH THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PAITNAIK: DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- SHRI R. M. BHOYE: TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): Will the Minister of INFORMATION (a) and (b). A 3 X 33 MW gas-based power AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: plant at Narsapur-Razole (based on gas 59 Writtsn Answsrs APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 60 from the Krishna Godavari Basin) was sanc- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU· tioned in February, 1988. Subsequently, the RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) to (f). Andhra Pradesh State Electricity Board Steam generated from waste heat is utilised (APSEB) informed the Central Electricfty in Gochin and Madras refineries for power Authority (CEA) of the proposal to locate this generation to some extent. power plant at Vijjeswaram near Kovvur. The scheme for locating the gas turbine Oil India ltd. has set upa 7.5 MWWaste plant at Vijjeswaram was techno-economi- Heat Recovery Plant at Duliajan in Assam. It cally approved by the Central Electricity utilises the waste heat from the exhaust Authority in February, 1989. Environmental gases from the two existing 14.45 MW gas clearance to the project has been accorded turbines of OIL's Duliajan Captive Power in March, 1989. Plant without consuming any extra fuel. It was commissioned in January 1989 and is The NTPC propose to set up a gas- working satisfactorily. based power plant of 800 MW capacity at Kakinada, based on gas from the Krishna Introduction of Extra Departmental Godavari basin. The APSEB have sent a System Feasibility Report to the CEA for a gas- based power plant of 3 x 90/100 MW capac- 4570. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will the ity at Vilieswaram. These proposals could be Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased processed further keeping in view the availa- to state: bility of gas and the power requirements. (a) how, when and for what purpose the Setting up of Waste Heat Power Plants Extra Departmental system was introduced by 011 Companies In the country;

4569. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: (b) whether Government have ac- Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND cepted the recommendations of Savoor NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: Committee to abolish the ED System in urban areas and regularise the services of (a) whether some oil companies have such ED employees; set up waste heat power plants; (c) IT not, the reasons therefor; and (b) nso, the details in that regard; (d) how many ED officials are working in (c) whether the Oil India Limited has urban areas as on 31 December, 1988? also taken any steps in that direction; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) if so, the place where waste heat MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI power plant has been set up by the Oil India GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) ED system Ltd., which dates prior 10 1866, has been intro· duced to cater to the limited postal traffic in (e) whether any such waste heat power various parts of the country where the justi- plant has been made operational; and ficat:on for establishing a regular departmental post office does not exist. (f) if so, the results thereof? (b) and (c). The Savoor Committee THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE recommendation that no ED agent should 61 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswetS 62

be employed in urban areas has been ac- T.V. Relay Transmitter at Narora cepted in general terms. However, in Press Sorting Offices the engagement of ED Sort- 4572. SHRI R.P. DAS: Will the Minister . ers is to continues as the cost is to be of INFORMATION & BROADCASTING be recovered from press owners. It has also pleased to state: been proposed to continue the category of ED Stamp Vendors, employment of ED (a) whether Government have received Delivery Agents, ED Mail Carriers and ED any memorandum from the Narora Parmanu Packers in sub-urban areas and smald Vidyut Pariioina Karmachari Union, Narora towns where there will be no justification for for installation of a low power TV relay trans- regular departmental employees of corre- mitter at Narora; and sponding categories. The Committee has re commended continuance of ED system in (b) if so, the reaction of Government the present form and has not recommended thereon? for making ED employees regular departmental employees. THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- (d) The information is being collected FORMATION & BROADCASTING (SHRI and will be laid on the Table of the House. H.K.l. BHAGAT): (a) Yes, Sir.

A.I.R. Stations Set up In 1988-89 (b) The Narora project area falls at the fringe of the service area of the 2X 10 KW TV 4571. SHRI MOHAN8HAJ PATEL: Will transmitter at Pitampura (Delhi). Strength- the Minister of INFORMATION AND ening of the service in the ~rea would de- BROADCASTING be pleased to state: pend upon availability 9f funds for the purpose under future plans of TV expansion. (a) the number of new Radio stations which were to be opened in the country Functioning of National Film Develop- during 1988-89; ment Corporation

(b) the number of new Radio Stations 4573. SHRI R. M. SHOYE: Will the established during the year; and Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD- (CI the places where these have been CASTING be pleased to state: opened? (a) whether the National Film Develop- THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- ment Corporation has incurred losses TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- amounting to lakhs of rupees since its incep- FORMATION AND BROADCASTING tion. (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT) (a) 25 new Radio stations were planned to be completed dur- (b) if so, the reasons therefor; ing 1988-89. (c) the amount of loans taken by the (b) and (c). New Radio Stations at National Film Development Corporation Keonjhar (Orissa), Agra (U.P.) Kottagudam during the last three years; and (Andhra Pradesh) and the 1000 KW MW transmitter of the National Channel at (d) the steps Government propose to Nagpur were commissioned during 1988- take to re-orientate the National Film Devef- 89. opment Corporation's entire approach and 13 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 64 policy in regard to film financing and over- posted profits in its annual accounts. The haul its management? details and given in the Statement below.

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- (c) Rs. 90.00 lakhs from the Govern- TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- ment of India and Rs. 192.33 lakhs from the FORMATION AND BROADCASTING Motion Picture Export Association of Amer- (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAn: (a) and (b). Except ica. during 1981-82, National Film Development (d) No such re-orientation/overhaul is Corporation has right from its inception contemplated. 65 Writ.".. Answers CHAIl'RA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers II I co i ...... at ~ ~ oS CD or- or- CJ) CD ..... ~ or- - ..... CD m Ll) U> CD 0 N CDm cO cO r ..... Ll)

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T.,.phone System In Keonjhr Garh In MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Orissa GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir.

4574. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: Will the (b) The details are given in the State- Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased ment below. to state: STATEMENT (a) whether the telephone lines in Keonjhargarh, Orissa remain out of order List of blind persons on the waiting list frequently; for allotment of pecs.

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 1. SlSh. Krishnan Swaroop Blind Welfare Industrial Institute, (c) the steps taken or proposad to be Kalkaji, taken for better maintenance of the telephone lines there? 2. Jagish Prasad 343 Mandangir New Delhi. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 3. J. K. Arora GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) to (c). T ele- 1227, Kashmere Gate, Opposite phone services in Keonjhergarh, Orissa are happy School, generally satisfactory. However, for further Delhi-6. improvement of the system, main actions taken are as follows: 4. Bhagwan Singh Hans, 345, Hakikat Nagar, (i) Telephone instruments are Delhi. checked and replaced whenever they are found to be faulty; and 5. Rajinder Kumar Oberoi. 9915, Gali Parathe Wali, Nawab (ii) Regular check up of the internal Ganj Azad Market, equipment and external Plant are Delhi. being done and any defects found are received promptly. 6. Dayal Rai, F-1/51 , DDA Flat 1st Floor, Telephone Booths To Blind Persons Nand Nagari, Delhi.

4575. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD 7. Vijay Kumar, SINGH: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- Gali No. 15 Prem Nagar, TIONS be pleased to state: New Delhi.

(a) whether the Mahanagar -Telephone 8. Harbans Lal, Nigam ltd; Delhi is providing telephone 8-55 Karam Pura, booths (P.C.Os). to the blind; and New Delhi.

(b) it so, the details of blind persons on the waling hst for allotment of p.e.os? 9. Virdi chand 40, Old Nangal, Delhi Cantt. THE MINISTER OF STATe IN THE Delhi. 69 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 70

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Allotment of industrial plots to Se/ST In Post Office In Nlrman Vlhar. Deihl PatparganJ Industrial area, Deihl 4:77. SHRI KAMAL NATH: Will the 4576.SHRIRAM RATAN RAM:Wilithe Ministerof COMMUNICATIONS be pleased Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: to refer to the reply given on 29 March, 1988 to Unstarred Question No 5226 regarding (a) the percentage of reservation for opening of Post Office is Nirman Vihar, Delhi Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes in al- and State: lotment of plots at Patparganj Industrial area by Directorate of Industries, Delhi Admini- (a) whether the norms prescribed for stration; opening of post offices in urban areas are now fulfilled for opening a Post office in (b) the number of applications received Nirman Vihar, Delhi as the population in that from Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes area has increased very much; and the maximum time likely to be taken for allotment of these plots; (b) it so, the reasons for delay in opening of post office when the required accom- (c) whether Scheduled Castes/Sched- modation is already available; and uled Tribes will be given plots at concessional rates in comparison to applicants of (c) the time by which the post office is general category; and likely to start functioning there?

(d) if not, the reasons therefor? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR IN- GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes Sir. DUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI M. ARUN- (b}and (c). The delay was due to the fact ACHALAM): (a) According to Delhi Admini- that the DDA had raised a claim for penal stration the scheme provides for 15% reser- interest on the payment due to them for the vation for Scheduled Castes/Scheduled accommodation released for the post office. Tribes in allotment of plots at Patparganj This matter has since been sorted out satis- Industrial areas. factorily and the post office has started functioning from 31.3.1989. (b) About 680 applications have been received from Schedule Castes/Scheduled Allotment of Petrol Pumps and LPG Tribes. The procedure for allotment is under Agencies to Scheduled Castes finaJisation. Allotment is likely to be made be draw of lots. 4578. DR. B. L. SHAILESH: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: (c) and (d). Allotment to all successful candidates will be offered on similar terms (a) the number of petrol retail outlets and conditions. The premium is t.o be and LPG dealerships allotted in the various charged on pre-determined rates and there States and Union Territories by IDC; is no proposal to give further concession to any class or category of applicants. (b) whether the Scheduled Castes have 71 Written AnswMS APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 72 bMft given proper quota in th allotment of (a) whether the Department of Tele- petrol pumps and LPG dealerships; communications had communicated Rent and Guarantee terms for the opening of (c) if so, the details thereof; and Public Call Offices in various parts of Hima- chal Pradesh during the Seventh Plan pe- (d) if not, whether it would be ensured riod; that while allotting new petrol pumps and LPG dealerships, the backlog is made up (b) if so, the names of the Public Call and the Scheduled Castes are given proper offices, districtwise, for which theterms were representation? quoted to the State Government during the past 5 years year-wise, separately; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- (c) the names or such places, district- RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) The wise for the State Government agreed t pay number of Retail Outlet (Petrol/Diesel) deal- the Rent and Guarantee terms and the erships from the Annual Marketing Plan Public Cell Offices were sanctioned subse- 1980-81 to the Annual Marketing Plan 1987- quently along with the date of sanction and 88, and LPG distrbutorships from the An- the amount in each case; nual Marketing Plan 1980-81 to the Annual Marketing Plan 1988-89 awarded by the (d) the names of places where the Indian Oil Corporation Ltd. are as follows: Public Call Offices have since been installed; and Retail Outlets 1167 (e) the names of places, district-wise, LPG distributorships .., 1076 where the remaining Public Call Offices would be installed? (b) Since the introduction of reservation in the allotment for SC/St candidates, the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Annual Marketing Plans of the Oil Industry MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI have provided for the requisite allocation for GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. this categories; (b) to (c) The information is given in the (c) The number out of the above Statement below. awarded to persons belonging to Scheduled Castes is as follows: STATEMENT

Retail Outlets 234 (b) The districtwise and yearwise names of Public Call Offices for which P&G LPG distributorships = 215 terms were quoted to State Government (d) Does not arise in view of (b) above. during past 5 years are given below.

Rant and Guarantee Terms for Opening District Kangra of Public Call Offices in Himachal Pradesh , 984-85

4579. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- 1. Sara Dogri ASHAR: Will the Minister of COMMU~ICA TI:'NS be pleased !? ~ 16; 2. Bari 73 Writ." Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnsW91S 74

3. Suddun Bargan 4. Badubi

4. Gahlian 5. Paleti

5. Thakur Dwara 6. Lagiana

6. MassaJ 7. Nandrol

7. Lohara 8. Mehla

8. Kiarwan 9. Stngwa

9. Kasri. 10. Remehra

1985-86 11. Trei

1. Nahlian 12. Kohela

2. Gagdohi 13. Moomda

3. Niar 14. Jalag

4. Sakri 15. Manjhera

5. 8ni 16. Harnera.

6. Kandrori 1987-88

7. Key 1. Maliana

8. Mangwal 2. Muhal

9. Lahru 3. Piesa

10. Gaggal Khali 4. Jambal

11. Naura 5. Seuhalkhad

12. Spail 6. Beh

1986-87 7. Amblela

1. Alah 8. Sakri

2. Dol Khariana 9. Bhaleta

3. Bag Ii 10. Thoda Bhallan 15 Writt9ll Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 76

11. Uperlikhoti 6. Amdreta

12. Nander 7. Machhyal

13. Koona 8. Dol

14. Duhak 9. Karanghat

15. Tamber 10. Kamleher

16. Harer 11. Rajol

17. Rajhoon 12. Sansai

18. Dhanotu 13. Badhukhar

19. Khawali District Una

20. Reet 1984-85

21. Dhandol 1. DaJoh

22. Mahalpat 2. kathiari

23. Nohra 3. Prithipur

24. Sansal 4. Arlu.

25. Kandral 1985-86

26. Spall ,. Dangoh

27. Chandpur 2. Damandn

28. Salehra 3. Katneehar

1988-89 4. Bhhluun

1. Sill 5. Talmera

2. Kandi 6. Mairi

3. Seorpian 1986-87

4. Harsar 1. Bhadder Kall

5. Dakwan 2. Kuriala n Written Answers CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 78

3. Badeda 6. Ran ikotl a

4. Ooog Lahar 1986-87

5. Raipur. 1. Nakhlehra

1987-88 2. Talwara

1. Sapori 3. Kothi

2. Madanpur Basoli 4. Samoh

3. Poliheat 5. Jablu

4. Chaksaria 6. Panteher

5 .. Nagrain. 7. Nichli Bathter

1988-89 8. Amarpur

1. Pranoh 1987-88

2. Sohin 1. Taliana

District Bilaspur 2. Thautha

1984-85 3. Behra Jattan

1. Risnikesh 4. Saloun

2. Mesour 5. Kapara

3. Dhanipakhar 6. Tanbol

4. Panoh 7. Pangain

1985-86 8. Tanbol

1. Bargran 9. Harlog.

2. Karlat; 1988-89

3. Rouraseceor 1. Chharol

4. Legiar 2. Deoth

5. lakhanpur 3. Mehri Kathala (Nalte) w,jtsn AnSWBrS APRIL 4. 1989 Written AnSW91S 80

4. Soldha. 2. Badhera

Distk:t Chamba 3. Maharal

1984-85 4. Bheera

1. Holi 1985-86

1985-86 1. Kot

1. Masroond 2. College Hamirpur

1986-87 3. lagbehnbi

Nil 4. Karara

1987-88 5. Ukhli

1. Tundah 6. Sour

2. ChakJu 7. Uhal

3. Mane 8. luddar Mahadev

4. Durgathi 9. Bahina

5. Garola 10. Badhani

1988-89 1986-87

1. Rajnagar 1. Boru

2. Darbhalla 2. lahar

3. Shadel 1987-88

4. Raipur 1. Tippir

5. Chhatrari 2. Bagrota Ganziana

6. Khadamukh 3. Boombloo

7. Kot; 4. Amroh

District Hamirpur , 988-89

1984-85 1. Dhangota

1. Tarak Bai 2. Baripharnol 81 Wnlten Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 82

3. Harsour 2. Drahal

4. Oootpur 3. Panola

5. Harta 4. Guru Kotha

District Mandi 5. Khaddar.

1984-85 1988-89

1. Kotkhamar 1. Bangrolu

2. Thone 2. Tlkru

3. Gorl 3. Matru

4. Tanoh 4. Mather

1985-86 5. Urla

1. Bhadarwar 6. Chock

2. Khalnu 7. Taleh

1986-87 8. Gehra

1. Oal 9. Balu

2. Upperli Sahli 10. Gharan

3. Kot 11. Rohanda

4. Gahar 12. Sen Kothi

5. Seri 13. Golwa

6. Bagsaid 14. Khadiar Thara

7. Talai 15. Tilli

8. Mara Maseed 16. PanJalag

9. Marathu 17. Tullah

1987-88 18. Kathan

1. Pingla 19. Barsu 83 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written AnsMn 84

20. Talyuar 3. Bhandrole

21. Darahal 4. Kothi Chon

22. Balag 5. Larelkhela

23. Jhangi 6. Karodsoo

24. Barati 1987-88

25. Darwar 1. Sahi

26. Tarohla 2. Jlbi

27. Garh Bars 3. Photti

28. Kamlahfort 4. Gushani

29. Sidhpur 5. Chanour

30. Majhwar 6. Hurla

31. Mandap 1988-89

32. Chambanaun 1. Seri

33. Balthikkar 2. Moha!

34. Kapahi District Shimla

35. Jhandru Kalan 1984-85

36. Kalenhru 1. Kholighat

District Kullu 2. Kiarkoti

1984-85 1985-86

1. Kaloth Nil

1985-86 1986-87

Nil 1. Deoti

1986-87 (c) The names of Public Call office Dis- trict wise for which state Government agreed 1. Filial to pay Rent and Guarantee terms and those sanctioned, with date of sanction and the 2. Oobhi amount in each case are given below:- 85 Wnltsn Answers CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 86

S.No. Name of Public Call Office Date of Sanction Amount

1 2 3 4

District Kangra

1. Harnera 27.4.87 1200.00

2. Spail 15.1.87 750.00

3. Naura 3.2.87 750.00

4. Manjehra 2.6.87 750.00

5. Chandpur 7.3.88 750.00

6. Kiarwan 25.1.85 1650.00

7. Harsi 26.2.86 1050.00

8. Kosri 4.12.84 2350.00

Q. Ja1ag 6.2.87 750.00

10. lagbhaliana 15.1.88 750.00

11. Dhanotu 29.6.87 750.00

12. Harer 27.10.88 750.00

13. Salehra 16.10.87 750.00

14. Majhin 14.2.85 2100.00

15. Lagru 26.8.85 2250.00

16. Kandral 19.11.88 900.00

Disirict Hamirpur

1. ludder Mahadev 24.11.86 750.00

2. Bahina 8.5.86 750.00

3. Badhani 18.3.87 750.00

4. Amroh 30.8.88 2040.00 87 Wtiten Answers APRil 4. 1989 Written AnsW81S 88

1 2 3 4

5. Boru 20.6.88 750.00

6. Pathliar 8.3.85 950.00

7. Dhaned 14.8.85 1950.00

District Una

1. Arlo 23.3.88 1650.00

2. Madanpur Basoli 18.8.88 750.00

3. Nagrain 18.8.88 750.00

4. Chaksari 18.8.88 750.00

5. Thathal 5.5.84 1050.00

6. Bathri 30.8.84 4647.00

District Bilaspur

1. Panjgain 25.1.88 750.00

2. Amarpur 15.1.88 900.00

3. Tanbaul 12.2.88 750.00

4. Salwar 3.10.85 9620.00

5. Harlog 14.4.88 1950.00

6. Kapara 6.9.88 750.00

7. Salaun 6.9.88 750.00

District Chamba

1. Durgathi 23.3.88 5193.00

2. CParcla 23.3.88 13907.00

District Mandi

1. Khaddar 1.6.88 750.00 89 Wrilt9n AnSWBfS CHAfTRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 90

1 2 3 4

2. Panjalag 30.3.88 750.00

3. Tullah 31.8.88 3600.00

4. Matehr 26.5.88 2700.00

5. Chack 8.7.88 750.00

6. Talai 1.7.88 1950.00

7. Mara Maseed 17.6.88 750.00

8. Balu 1.7.88 750.00

9. Gharan 30.7.87 1050.00

10. Rehanda 27.5.88 750.00

11. Tilli 20.10.87 750.00

12. Guru Kotha 19.2.86 2750.00

13. Gehra 17.11.88 750.00

14. Sidhyani 11.9.86 1350.00

15. Kamand 18.2.86 1350.00

16. Kalkhar 4.9.85 750.00

17. Ootpur 25.3.85 450.00

18. Gaddal 28.12.84 750.00

19. Dhawan 13.9.85 1950.00

20. Sardwar 26.3.85 1450.00

21. Kanti Nadi 30.9.85 1950.00

22. Man 31.3.84 11453.00

23. Drubbal 19.1.85 17665.00

24. Langna 9.1.85 27542.00 91 Written AnswBfS APRIL 4, 1989 Written AnswBfS 92

1 2 3 4

District Kul/u

1. Mohal 5.8.88 750.00

District Shimla

1. Deatjhi 17.1.86 25582.00

2. Kholighat 26.11.85 25500.00

3. Kiarkothi 28.1.86 12600.00

(d) Name of place where Public Call Offices have since been installed. 3. Dhaned

District Kangra District Una

1- Harnera 1. Bathri

2. Naura 2. Thathal

3. Chandpur District Bifaspur

4. Kiarwan 1. Panjgain

5. Harsi District Chamba: Nil.

6. Kosri District Shimla

7. jalag 1. Deathi

8. Salhera 2. Kjholighat

9. Majhin 3. Kairkothi

10. Manjhera District Mandi

11. Dhanotu 1. Khaddar

District Hamirpur 2. panjalag

1. Bahina 3. Tullah

2. Path liar 4. Rohanda 93 WIitBn AnsMn CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 94

S. Hi 3. Amroh

6. Guru Ketha 4. Boru

7. Sidhyanai District Una:

8. Kamand 1. Arloo

9. Kakhar 2. Madanpur Basoli

10. Oo1pur 3. Nagrain

11. Gaggal 4. Chaksaria

12. Dhawan District Bilaspur:

13. Sardwar 1. amarpur

14. Kantinadi 2. Tanbaul

15. Mari 3. Salwar

16. Drubbal 4. Harlog

17. langna 5. kapra

District Kulu: NiH 6. Salaun

(e) the names of places where Public District Chamba CaB offICeS would be installed:- 1. Durgathi District kangra: 2. Garola 1. Spail District Shim/a: 2. lagbhaliana Nill 3. Harer District Mandi 4. lagroo

5. Kandra!. 1. Matehr

District Hamirpur: 2. Chock

1. luddar Mahadev 3. Tala;

2- Bedhani 4. Mera Massed wnW." Ans.,. APRil 4, 1989 96

5. Balu Badamakaras, Badamakanahali. KodicaI. Kathriguppe, Kuruburu, Doddakurugodu, 6. Gharan Hamapasandra, Ghatrakodihalfi. Ban- tahalli, V. Guittahalli, Seegahalli and 7. Gehra. Kothrapet.

District Kullu 1990-91

1. Mohal Sathupalli. Paddapalli. NailaguttapalH, Kadirangappalli, Ugranamapalli, Hudukula, Installation of Long Distance T.lephone Yerra Marenahalli, BaiundlahaJIi, Korla- In Karnataka parthi. Chowthakuntahalli. MadenahaHi, Thrunasi. Tornahalli, Kolaleri, Srisanahalli, 4580. SHAI H.G. AAMULU: Will the Doddatekkalli and T alkayalbeta Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: District: Hassan

(a) the names of the places in Kama- 1989-90 taka where long distance telephones are proposed to be installed during the next few lalanakere, Karagada, Gowdagere, years district-wise; and Ugane, Mela Odu, Sankanahalli, Doddaka- danur, Koddahalli. Moodalahippe, Bad- (b) the names of the places where such rakka, Mudlamippe, Kurubatthur & Kad- telephones were installed during 1988-89, umane Estate. district-wise?

1990-91 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Hirhalli, Vagati, Kammaragatt, Kala- GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The names of sadarahalli, Kanike. Balagh~ mellak- places in Kamataka where long distance kihalli and Bhaganahalli. Public Telephones are proposed to be installed during the next two years is given in Kodagu District Annexure-I. These wift be installed subject to technical feasibility and availability of equip- 1989-90 ment. Galibeedu, MathokJu, Betoli and Bellur. (b) The information is given in the State- ments I and II below. 1990-91

STATEMENT-' Bhembu, Konjils. Kiggalu. Yevakapadi, Kedamallur and Parkatageri. Names of places in Karnataka where Long Distance Public Te/ephones are Proposed District: Shimoga to be installed during the next two years District-wise are given below 1989-90

District: Kqlar 1989-90 Donabagatta, Antharagange, Hiriyur. Kogalur, Doddabbigere, Dandomathi, Haro- Thimrnampalli, ....,ur, HbnsanahalU. nahal. Chinnikatte, SooIagoodu, GovanJrU. 87 CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answe,. 18

Shiravanthe. Gowthampura, Tumari, Mar- District Uttara Kannada avali. Hosuru. Harogoppa. Konagavlli, Kommanalu. Beeranahalli. Tattur, Udri. 1989-90

1990-91 Alkod, Analebail, , Shivalli, Asu, Ana- mod & Katheli. Bandigudda. Marabanahalli. Malahild, MadenahaHi, Mathikai, Karimane, Belur, 1990-91 Kannurinm. Chikkamattur, Thimkapura, Thuppur, Tavanandi & Gubbege. Ka~re, Kavalwad, Devalli, Kalkere. Mainalli, Godlabil, Shiralgi, Habra, District Mandya Kodnagadde, Adnalli, Kampli, Tarahalli. Hiriyal & Kalche. 1989-90 District Mysore Madapura, Ganigere. Mit1anahalli, Ankushapur, Karadahalli, Betadamahalli & Homaragahalli, Bachagaupanhalli. Jakkinahalli Doppayranaguppe, Alalahally, Kolaviga & Gowdahalli. 1990-91 District: Tumkur Plenahalli, Tichanapura, Thuirumala- pra & Hongahalli. 1989-90

Chitradurga Distt Thirthapura, Handiganadu, Gopal- apura, Averahalli. Ankasandra, Yaladabagi, 1989-90 Ragalahalli, Sorekunte. Toremavinahalli.

Mallappanahalli & Thammanahalli 1990-91

1990-91 Manachaladore, Kondli, Byragondalu, Nagalala, Setti-Beedu, Mallanayakanahalli, Narikunte, PagadaJa Bande, Dod- Besatuur, JajurayaahalJi, Srirangapura. dachekur, Dyadigunti, Kurumaradikere, Kyathaganacherlu, Kyathaganahalli, Nagal- Hutchavanahalli, Gulya, Kindasakatte, apura. Sasalukunte, Virupasamudra. Kare- Megasandra. Terehalli. Huchhanaipura, madanahalli, Sakadadu, Chikkaagrahara, Kelagote, Siddainakote and Chikkoba- Hommenahalli & Hunsehalli. nahallty. District Raichur District: Dakshina Kanada 1989-90 1989-90 Hirebuddur, Chikbdur, Karegud, Mun- Hereor. daragi, Gandhal, BUddinni. Maladkal, Ramdurga, Kyadigera, Marlanhalli. 1990-91 Maslapur, Hulihyder. Maslapur, Venkatgiri, Kumpapalli, Ledgera, Kowlur. Muddenur, Shishila & Manila Nilogal, Talugeri. Gowdur. Nagrhal. Ashihal, Written Answers APRil 4, 1989 Written AnsW8fS 100

Nagalapu, Janekal, Korvi, Kadlur, JegarkaJ, 1990-91 Sagamkunte, Bijaneera, Heggadinni, Ra- gaJaparvi, Badarli, Chikkankoppa, Sirur, Kittagar Sanganhal & Chikkamyager & Bandi. District: Gulbarga 1990-91 1989-90 Jarbani, Hirerai Kumpi, Khanapur, Tegihal, Bommanahalli, Alkod, Nagadinni, Belurgi, Banderwad, Alanga, Kudra- Herundi, Echanhal, Marrlanhalli, wadi, Mudadga, ainapur, Salebeeranahali, Ajakalkumpi, Jeeral Kalgudi, Medinal Kalan, Hebbal, Awarao, Kalhengera. Halcher. Manner Hal, Tekkalabi, Navalhalli, Ho- GaragapaJli, Kununda, Chminal, Halge~ nahalli, Hunkunti, Tirthabavi, Kamal Dinni, Kadamgerd, Bendebembli, Oevapur. Adapur, Desai, Bogapur, Kalamger, Atnur, Yedhalli, Kollur, Azalapur. Jambaldinni, Sunkanur, Chikkotankal, Yap- pal Dinni, Potbal, Manjerla, Lin Gankhan- 1990-91 doddi, Naddigaddimalukpur, Gadarthagi, Kanur, Thippanhatti, Ramathanpal, Kardch- Jevargi, Chinamagera. Sowleshwar. eUami, Kalmangil, Madsirwar, Dadesurgur, Jidga. Ikkalki. Kamanhalli. SaJgar, Dhar- Huda, Kallur & Mandalhari. masagar, Pastapur. Chintapalli, Mangalgi. Hadagilharuthi, Minagiji. Jamiwur. Balwand- District: Bellary dagi, Soan, Yelwar, Sathkhed, Desangi. Kachapur, Megenger, Udgi, BomdepaBi. 1989-90 Kalkham, Gundahalli, Madervi & Rajapur.

Rvpangudi, Venepur, Kolur, Halakundi, District Bangalore Kagathibasapur, Mangalam, Arakanahal, Kunchor, Madihalli, Ragima, Salwa, San- 1989-90 apura, Devasamudra, Sugginahalli, Mo- raha, Kayanahalli, Ramdurg, Alur, Seekote, Manasiganahalli, Alur Toolahalli, Vittalapur, 8agewadi, Ravihal, Duddanahalli, Kongatta, Gollahalli, He- Rarav, Mupatnur and Jalur. sahalli, Nedagatta, Motegondanahalli.

1990-91 1990-91

Sindigeri, Belagal, Sanjeevarayana, Kemliganahalli, Chudahalli, lakke- Makarabbi, Nichapur, Pulikatti, Amalapura, nahalli, HarokyathanahiUi. Kylanch~ Dod- Belligatta, Gonderommanal Chirathgundu, dasulekere. Byinthumarguddi, Managpur, Sowladahalli, Hakandi, Banngola, Varadapura & Kodal. District: Bidar

District: 8e/gaum 1989-90

1989-90 Masimadu, Sonala, Ambesagani.

Handagaon, Yedwad, Bugatealur, 1990-91 Kanapur, Nagarag Ii , Linganmelly, Sindogi, Handigod, Avaradi. Chikliuder. Ujane, Jambagi, Wakhad. 101 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 102

UdamnaJi STA TEMENT-II

District: 8ijapur Names of Public Call Offices installed during 1988-89 upto 27.3.89 are given 1989-90 below:

layadagundi, Neerabudihal, Hebballi, District Gulbarg Nainegali, Oonur, Hommutagi, Gunadal, Korti, Tumbagi, Kodaganur, Ingalgeri, Bijjur Himmatagi, Kanapur, Yelgod, Nade- & Uttur. palll, Nandikur, Konakal, Ibrahimpur, Heb- bal, Hattiguder. Kukunda, Bankalga Hul- 1990-91 gera, Ashtagi, Kadaboor, Madhawar. Hothpet, Keroli, Annurl and Mangal. Jalager, Takkakahaki, Kauzagi, Ka- magi, Devaragennur, Padgi Ganjlhal, District Hass

1989-90 Marchalli. Anandur, N. Belathur, Metikuppe, Padavakote Matakere. Hyrambi, Devadana, Allampura, Ma- Chikkabeechanahalli, Maliyur. laur, Balliganur, Chavalmane, Kanabur, Kakkachi, Belanahalli & Amruapura. District North Kanara

1990-91 Shambur, Harsekatta, Onikeri. Koligar, Pra Hani, Yedalli Shivalli. Nagabastikeri, Buzar Kanchnahalli, Gotegalli. Jodimachanahalli, Nagarahalli, Hiriyur, Chikkadevanur, Hiregadda, Tanudi, Konadi, District Raichur Karakeshwar, Meega, Aushyshringupure and Thigada. Mavinbhavi, Mataldinni. Santekallur, 103 Written AnsW81S APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answws 104

GelaJagatta, Merchatal & HirebanagaJ. District Coorgc

District Shimoga Kadanga, Parana Sannapulikote

Malinabesiga, Kannagi, Chandraguti, District Dharwar Tavarkere, Arabasgatta. Kaginalti, Gudavi, Barandur, Ullur Hitla, Nitur, Shigga, Arekurahatti, Banagittigudihal, Har- Maruthipura, Harish, Hosabele, Haridra- lapur, Sulikatti vathi & Yedigilemance. District Tumkur District 8e/gaum Kamalapur, Theriyur, Santhemathur & Kot, Abbihal, Sidnal. Islampur and Kile- Hussainpura. gaon District North Kanara District 8e1lary Nallurkanmaje. Survey, Paltady & Ava- Nealagund, Taranagar, Yalp-Kaag- rse. galu, Joladakudugi, Albur, Dharma-Sagar, Bommagatta, Poojarihalli, Hi rakaJ, Hudam, District BangaJore Yedihalli, D. Kaggalu, Timmalapura, Bindri, Kattabennur Metri Lakshmipura, Bannikuppe & Chakrabhavi Dis:rict Bidar Permanent employment to unskilled Talwad, Chandori, Madakatti. workers In BHEL

District Bijapur 4581. SHRI R. JEEVARATHINAM: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to Mannur, Tonashyal, Alba!, Ingalgi, stale: Madabal, Herur, Dhulked Hadlasang, Hire- sanganagutti, Bodanayakanddinni & Kun- (a) the number of unskilled in the BHEL tankunkeri. unns whose services are terminated after 45 days of continuous employment and are re- District Chickmagalur employed;

Sindigere, Chikkahanagal, Kalkere, (b) whether it is proposed to employ Eshwarahalli, Begar Halmathur, narasipure- those workers on permanent basis; and Bannur.

,c) if so, when if not, the reasons there- District Chitradurga for?

Chitrahalli, T ekkalavatti, Athimage, THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Somagudda, Chikkagondanahalli, Kuruba- J. VENGALA RAO) (a) to (c). The informa- rshalli, Gurusiddapura, Naraganahalfi, tion is being collected and will be laid on the Gowrasamudra, Thimma-N:lyak~akote ... Table of the House. 105 Written AnsWBIS CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 106

Polyester fibre Plants In Phulban~ OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- Orissa TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) Yes. Sir. 4582. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: W~lthe Minister 01 INDUSTRY be pleased to (b) Since inception of the scheme i.e. state: 1983-84, 89997 persons were sanctioned loan by Banks in Bihar upto 31st March, (a) The number of polyester fibre plants 1988. set up in Orissa so far; Provision of Street Lights In Rura. (b) whether Government have a pro- Areas, Deihl posal to set up a polyester fibre plant in Phulbani district; and 4584. SHRI BHARAT SINGH: WiU the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to stale: (c) if so, the steps taken to implement the proposal? (a) whether there are no street lights on roads from Nangloi to Dhansa via Najafgarh, THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI from Nangloi to T eekri Border, from Ghevara J. VENGALA RAO): (a) At present, there is to Narela, from Samaypur to Narela via one unit in District Dhenkanal in Orissa for Bawana and. from Mangolpur Kalan 10 manufacture of Polyester Staple Fibre. Ochandi Border via Kanjhawala; and

(b) No, Sir. (b) if so, the time by which street lights will be provided on these roads? (c) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [ Translation] DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): (a) Yes, Sir. Implementation of self employment scheme for educated unemployed youth In Bihar (b) DESU provides street lighting on the specific request of the concerned departments. DESU has already submitted a re- 4583. SHRI CHANDRA KISHORE vised estimate of Rs. 46,49,4501- to P.W.D. PATHAK: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be , Delhi Administration, for providing im- pleased to state: proved type of street lighting on National Highway No. 10 from Nangloi crossing to (a) whether the seH employment Tikree Border in April, 1988 for making scheme for the educated unemployed youth payment to DESU. P.W.D. has not so far is being implemented throughout the Bihar made the payment to DESU. The normal State; and time for completion of work is 6 months from the date it is taken up on receipt of the (b) if so, the number of beneficiaries requisite payment arrd release of the work under this scheme in Bihar? order. No other requests for providing street lig~ting on the roads in question from the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE P.W.D. or any other agency has been re- DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEl- ceived by D.E.S.U. 107 APRil 4, 1989 Written Answers 108

(English) 758 applications were disposed off during the year. All efforts are made to dispose UcenceJ for Opening New Companies foreign collaborations applications expeditiously. 4585. SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (c) No proposals which originated before 1986 is pending consideration before (a) the number of Icences granted for Foreign Investment Board. opening of new companies in collaboration with foreign countries during 1986 to 1988 (d) Does not arise. State-wise; Pensionary Benefits to Public Sector (b) the number of licences granted 10 Employees multinationals within six months in respect of applications received after 19B7; 45136. SHRI JITENDRA PRASADA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to (c) the number of cases which were state: originated before 1986 and are pending for more than two years; and (a) whether Government propose to provide pensionary and other benefits to the (d) tt'.e reasons tor not clearing pending employees of the public sector undertakings cases for issue of licences? at par with Union GovernrT'ent employees;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the details thereof; and DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- (c) the time by which the scheme will be TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) Pre- implemented? sumably, Hon'ble member. desires information tegarding foreign collaborations ap- THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI proved during 1986 to 1988. Government J. VENGALA RAO) (a) There is no proposal have approved 957, 853 and 926 proposals under consideration of the Government to for foreign collaborations during 1986. 1987 extend peflsionary benefits to the employ- and 1988 respectively. State-wise statistical ees of public Sector enterprises at par with information of approved foreign collabora- Union Government ~ployees. tion proposals is not maintained. Details of all approved foreign Collaborations showing (b) and (c). Do not arise,. the names of Indian and foreign firms. items at manufacture and nature of collaboration Handing Over of Travancore H~se to are published on a monthly basis by the Kerala Government Indian Investment Centre as a supplement to its monthly News letter. Copies of this 4587. PROF. K. V. THOMAS: Will the publication are sent regularly to Parliament Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: library.

(b) During 1988.823 foreign collabora- (a) whether the Travancore House, tion applications were received in Secretar- New Delhi has been vacated by ~he MRTP iat for hiustrial Approvals for consideration Commission and handed over to Kerala of Foreign Investment Board. Out o~ 823, Government; and 109 CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Writen AnsWBIS 110

(b) I not, the reasons therefor and when otherwise disposed of and 5 (five) are at • wi! be handed oyer? various stages of processing .

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Setting up of Automatic Telephone DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- Exchanges at Madhupur and Godda In OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- Bihar TRY (SHRI U. ARUNACHAlAM): (a) The Office of the MRTP Commission has not so 4589. SHRI SALAHUDDIN: Will the far handed over the Travancore House to the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased KeraJa Government. to state:

(b) On the basis of the estimates fur- (a) whether there is any proposal to set nished by the C.P.W.D. for carrying out up automatic telephone exchanges at Mad- partitions and other civil work in the new hupur and Godda in Bihar; and premises allotted to the MRTP Commission, administrative approval has been accorded (b) if so, when these exchanges will be for the work. The Commission would shift to set up there? the new premises after they are fit for occupation on completion of the work relating to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE partitioning, fixtures, lighting, etc. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes Sir. Issue of Industrial Licences to Assam (b) Godda is planned to be automatized 4588. SHRI ABDUL HAMID: Will the during 1989-90 and Madhupur during the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: &Jhth Plan perIOd.

(a) the number of licences issued by Investment in Backward Districts of Union Government for setting up medium Kerala and large scale industries in Assam dUring 1987-88 and 1988-89; and 4590. SHRI K. KUNJAMBU: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state (b) the details of proposals received by the total amount by way of investment sub- Union Government during above period? sidy and other concessions spent by Union Government for setting up industries in backward district of Kerala during the last THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE three years? DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHAlAM ): (a) and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b). Under the provisions of industries DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAl DEVEL- (Development & Regulation) Act. 2 industrial OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF JNDUS- licences have been issued during 1987-88 TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHAlAM): A total and 1988-89 (upto February. 1989) for loca- amount of As. 7.79 crores has been reim- tion of units in Assam. Apart from this, a total bursed to the Government of Kerala as of 33 applications for grant of Letters of Central Investment Subsidy for setting up Intent have been received during the said industries in Centrally declared industrially pIriod. Out of these, 11 Letters of Intent backward districts in the State during the have been granted. 17 have bean rejected! financial years 1985-86 to 1987-88. 111 Wtit9l1 Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written AnswetS 112

Prices of Tractors empted tractors upto 1800 CC engine capacity from the level of excise duty.

4591. SHRI B.B. RAMAlAH: Power Production SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- WARARAO: 4592. SHRI K. MOHANDAS: Wdl the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (a) the total production of power at present in the country with source-w~; breakup; (a) the approximate price of a tractor of and 20 H.P. 25 H.P. range in the country; (b) the names of deficit states, their (b) whether it is within the reach of demand and the steps being taken to meet middle level farmers; and the Power deficit in these States, State- wise?

(c) if not, the steps proposed to be taken THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to have the price of such tractors sliced so as DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- to suit the pocket of middle level farmers? TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): (a) The requisite information is as under:- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- Source Energy ':;eneration (MU) OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- (Apn7, 1988-Feb. 1989) TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) Ac- oording to the information available for the Thermal 14205 industry. the approximate ex-factory price of a tractor of 20-25 H.P. range, depending on Nuclear 5558 the make and model, varies between Rs. 700701- and Rs. 84,700 as on 1.2.89. Hydro 52979

(b) and (c). Government do not exercise Total 200585 price control on agricultural tractors. The price depends on the cost of inputs and inter- (b) State-wise power supply position play of market forces. Credit facilities have during April, 1988 to February, 1989 is given been provided to the farmers through Com- in the statement below. Various measures mercial Banks, Land Development Banks, being taken to improve the avaiJabitity of Co-operative Banks and National Bank for power include expediting commissioning of Agriculture and Rural Development (NA- new generation capacity, implementation of BARD) for financing the purchase of trac- short gestation projects, improving the per- tors. As perthe present policy of the Govern- formance of existing power stations, reduc- ment, existing manufacturers can produce ing transmission and distribution losses, any range of tractors within their licensed implementation of demand management capacity. There is sufficient competition in and energy conservation measures and the tractor industry to keep a check on arranging transfer of energy from surplus to prices. Moreover, Government have ex- defICit areas. 113 Wnlten Answers CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Written AnswetS 114

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Telephone connection In PatparganJ (b) The areas is covered by the Housing Complexe., DeIhl Laxminagar T elephene Exchange at present where the waiting list has been cleared 4593. SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA: Will as under on 1.3.89:- the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: OYT - General 2.9.88

(a) the number of persons on the waiting OYT- Special 2.9.88 list for Telephone Connections in the Coop- erative Group Housing societies in the Non-OYT- SS 16.9.88 Patparganj area, Delhi, Society-wise; Non- OYT - Special 13.9.88 (b) the steps taken by Government to provide telephone connections in the Non-OYT - General 5.2.85 Patparganj Cooperative Group Housing Societies Complexes in Delhi; and (c) It is expected that waiting list upto (c) the likely date by which these resi- 30.9.1986 in th' Non-OYT General Cate- dents would be provided with telephone gory would be cleared by April, 1990. The connections? rest of the applicants are likely to be provided telephone connections progressively. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The required No. of persons on the Waiting list for information is furnished in the statement telephone connections in the Patparganj below. group Housing complex (society-wise).

Name of the Society: No. of persons on W/L

Nirwana Co-operative Group Housing Society. 34

Other Societies in Patparganj Group Housing Complex.

1. Compose Co-operative Group Housing Society 01

2. Maurya 03

3. Vikalp 01

4. Bathla 06

5. Dhruva 128

6. Anand Lok 24

7. Nav Nirman 01 \ 121 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnSwefS 122

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8. Manas Vihar 01

9. Kakatlya 03

10. Kallal 10

11. CEL Housing 02

12. Desh Bandhu 23

13. Oxford 06

14. Engineers 19

15. Sara 40

16. Takshila 49

17. NagafJun 11

18. Mithla 03

19. Deluxe 07

20. New Young 01

21. Balco 09

22. Parivar 02

23. Nav Krantl 01

24. Link House 01

25. Rajdhani 02

26. Pharmaceutical 11

27. Kirpal 04

28. New Kiran 01

29. Udyog ic Karamchari 05

30. Shfkha 04 123 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 124

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31. Friends 21

32. Door Samachar 01

33. Okhla 01

34. Janseva 01

35. Chetna 06

36. Gaurav 01

37.Adarsh 03

38.AGCR 01

39. Shree Ganesh 10

40. New Surya Kiran 10

41. Delhi 48

42. Nav Bharat Times 07

43. Mayur Dhawaj 08

44. Himalaya 05

45. Shivaji 01

46. Paradise 08

47. Company law 12

48. N. D.U.C. 01

49. New Delhi 02

50. Ekata Vihar 36

51. Everest Himalaya 04

52. Him Varsha 01

53. HRC(BRC) 01 125 Wttlen Answws CHAlTRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Wrhten Answers 126

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54. Samr.. 05

55. Milan Vihar 03

56. General 01

57. Delhi Govt. Officers 01

58. Golden 06

59. Hinkon 01

60. Vandana 01

61. 'runa 08

62. Everest 01

63. Rosewood 01

64. Mod 01

65. Jagriti 01

66. Shubham 01

67. Amarapli 02

68. Prince 08

69. Parnatiya Vikas 01

70. Aditi 05

71. M~ra Dweep 03

72. Waterpower Engineer 02

73. Hindustan Times 02

74. Delhi Police 02

75. Kirti 01

76. Baboo 03 127 Written Answers APRIL 4. 1989 Written Answws 128

n. Jai lakshml 08

78. Purvasa 06

79. Fire Home 04

80. Province 01

81. IFS Co. Op. Group 22 Housing Society

82. NavNiti 01

83. D7E 01

84. HIG Chitra 01

85: Amarijyoti 02

86. Moon Light 03

87. Shivani 02

88. South Delhi Teachers 03

89. Videsha 02

90. SAM 01

91. Nidhi 05

92. Retreat 01

93. Central Govt. Servants 01

94. Agarsain 02

~. Nav Kunj 03

96. Aruna 01

97. Aditya Vardhana 01

98. Sports Co-Op 01

99. Navkala 01 12i Wnlten AnSWWB CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnsMWtS 130

100. Indian Naval Employees . 01

101. Centra! ware 01

102. Nakala 01

103. Associated Companies 04

104. Retiree & Retiring Govt. E II 02

105. Power Engineers 01

106. Deepa 02

107. Abdul Fazal 01

108 Delhi Prasashan Adhikari .. 01

109. Utranchal 07

110. Neel Kanth 01

111. Manav Shakti 02

'12. Ved Janak 03

113. Doorrdarshan 01

114. Overseas 02

115. Neena 01

116. Capnal 01

117 Arshirwad 01

1'8. Parv~ya Vikas 0"

119. The Una 01

120. Nigar 01

'21. Prashant II 01

~22. Vidyut 01 131 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 132

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123. Nigam 01

124. Kanoon .01

t: 125. Indraprastha Q1

126. Kohinoor 01

Grand Total 1743

Note:- The number of persons in the wait- (b) if so, tne river basins selected for ing list in various Group Housing Societies extraction of oil and natural gas; given above includes the persons who have registered their applications in their individ- (c) the amount spent by the ONGC for ual name for provision of telephones at the exploration purposes since 1986, year-wise; address which fall in the above group hous- and ing society complex as also the application registe~ed. (d) the results achieved so far?

4594. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE" SHRI DAULATSINHJI MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- -JADEJA: RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) and SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- (b). Government propose to allot morafunds WARA RAO: to ONGC for the exploration of sedimentary/ basins. Regular extraction ot hydrocarbons Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND is being done from UPP9r Assam, A§S8fn- NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: Arakan, Oambay, Bornbay-Otlshore, ~.fishna-Godavari and Cauvery Basins. (a) whether Government propose to allot more funds to the oil and Natural Gas (c) The amount spent by the ONGC for Commission for exploring all the river basins exploratory drilling since 1986-87 is as un- for oil and natural gas; der " , Rs. in crores

1986-87 1.9,87-88 \ Expenditure: 419,83 452.22

(d) . Sjnce 1986 drilling on identified CHATURVEDI: Will the Minister of INDUS- prospects has led to establishment of 39 TRY be pleased to state: Hydrocarbon finds. [Translation] (a) whether any booklet containing thQ.',. Printing of Act and Rules and Regula- Act and Rules and Regulations concerning' tion by KVIC their employees has been printed by the 4595. SHRIMATI VIDYAVATI ,

(b) if so, whether this booklet is printed RAL GAS be pleased to state: in English only; and (a) whether large quantity of gas (natu- (c) if so, whether Government will direct ral and o;::>:3()ciated) produced in the country the commission to print such booklets in is still being flared due to lack of compres- Hindi along with English in future? sion facilities for bottling;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the value of gas flared, so far, DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- calculated on the basis of retail consumer OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- prices; TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) Yes Sir. (c) the steps taken to stop flaring; and

(b) and (c). KVIC is taking necessary (d) whether arrangements would be action for printing Hindi version of the book- made for marketing of this gas to rural areaS let containing the amended KVIC Act and at a nominal cost to save vanishing forests? Rules.

[English] THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- Flaring of Natural Gas RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT):(a) The production and flaring of natural gas in the 4596. DR. G. VIJAYA RAMA RAO: Will country during the last four years have been the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU- as given below:

(in MMCMD)

Year Production FlaritJ % of gas flared

1984-85 19.8 8.36 42%

1985-86 22.2 8.54 38%

1986-87 27.0 7.40 28%

1987-88 31.3 9.38 30%

The major reasons forflaring of gas are: (b) In 1987-88 about 3423 million cubic metres of gas was flared; the notional value (i) Failure of consumers to lift the of this gas, baseg on the minimum price of committed quantity of gas. Rs. 500/1000 M works out to As. 171.15 crores. (ii) Mismatch between production and compression facilities for transportation of (c) FollowiOg steps have been t.... to gas. reduce flaring: 135 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 136

(i) Compression facilities have been [ Translation) augmented and are proposed to be aug- rMnted further. Waiting List for Telephone Connection. In Deihl en) FaJl-back consumers are being encouraged so that they can take the gas when 4598. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI: Will the the regular consumers fail to do so. 15% Minister of COMMUN ICATIONS be pleased discount on the basic price of gas for the fall- to state: back consumers is available. (a) the number of telephone connections released by the Mahanagar Telephone (iii) Additional consumers have been Nigam Limited, Delhi during the last three developed to improve the low offtake caused years and the number of applications on the by low/delayed offtake of committed con- wa~ing list at present, exchange-wise; and sumers. (b) the number ef applicants likely to get telephone connections during the next three (d) Natural gas is supplied for various years? projeds depending upon its availability bearing in mind techno-economic consid- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE erations underlying its optimum utilisation. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Co~ssional prices have been fixed in the GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The number of North-East and in certain areas where the telephone connections released during the fields are in the development stage. last three years is as fellows:

Due. Against State Electricity Boards Year No. of telephones released.

1986-87 76683 4597. SHRI V. S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: WIll the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to 1987-88 78527 state: 1988-89 43658

(.) the names of the State Electricity (till 1.3.89) Boards which owe heaVy amount as dues to the Central undertakings; A statement showing the number of applicants in the waiting list as on 1.3.89 is (b) the details of the amount due; and given below.

(c) the steps being taken to realise the (b) It is expected that during the next dues? three years new telephone connections to the extent indicated below are likely to be released: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1989-90 40,000 DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KAlP NATH RAJ): 199D-91 50,000 (a) to (c). The information is bei"\} collected and .".. be laid on the Table of the House. 1991-92 60,000 137 Wliten Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnsMHS 138

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Computerised .ystam In Telephon. (c) whether the requests of Stale Exchange. Govemments have been considered br Union Government; and 4599. SHRI HUSSAIN DALWAI: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (d) if so, the decision taken thereon? pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) whether recording of telephone calls MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- on computers is done at present in some RAL GAS (SHAI BRAHM DUn): (a) and electronic telephone exchanges; (b). Requests have been made from time to time by various states for supply of gas for (b) how far this system is successful; various purposes like fertilizer, power, and sponge iron projects, industrial and domestic fuel. (c) the places where this facility is available at oresent? (c) and (d). Allocation of gas to projects in various States is made depending upon THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the avalklbility of gas and techno-economic MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI considerations underlying the need to 0p- GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. Re- timise the use of gas. oording of telephone calls is done in all electronic exchanges using computer, pro- R&D Activities by ONGC In Eighth Vided for operation & maintenance of the Plan exchange. 4601. SHRI GOPAL KRISHNA (b) The system is working satisfactorily. THOTA: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM & NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: (c) The facility is available in all the electronic exchanges. (a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas Setting up of Gas Based Projects In Commission plan to give a new thrust on States research and development activities during the Eighth Plan; and 4600. SHRI S. B. SIDNAL: SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES- (b) if so, the details thereof? WARI:

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE NATURAL GAS be pleased to stalt::. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) and (b). Oil and Natural Gas Commission pro- (a) whether some State Governments poses to take up more than 2000 research have requested Union Government for set- and development projects/jobs through its ting up gas projects in their respective research institutes, covering the areas of States; exploration and exploitation of hydrocar· bons and related activities during the VIII Plan. ONGC will also continue its research (b) if so, the details thereof; activities on underground coal gassification. 145 Wrtten Answers CHAITRA 14,191' (SAKA) Written Answ91S 146

Setting up of Small Scale Industries (c) the funds allotted this year for install- Units ing solar power stations?

4602. SHAI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHA- THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI MAN: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be VASANT SATHE): (a) The percentage allo- pleased to state: cation, out of the total Plan allocation for , 988-89 towards Non-conventional energy (a) the number of small scale industrial Sources works out to 0.27 percent only. units set up during 1988-89; (b) An allocation of Rs. 105.00 crores (b) the percentage of growth in the was made in the Central Sector for non- number of small scale industries during this conventional energy sources during 1988- year; and 89, while the corresponding figures for the States and Union Territories are R. 28.92 (c) how does it compare with the growth crores and Rs. 1.06 crores respectively. in the previous three years? (c) No separate allocations were made THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE for solar power stations during 1988-89. DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- However, the Department of Non-conven- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- tional Energy Sources has undertaken pro- TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) Ac- grammes for providing decentralised energy cording to latest available information fur- systems for meeting the needs of lighting nished by StatelUnion Territory Govern- etc. under its Solar Photovoltaic Programme ments, the number of small scale industrial for which an allocation of Rs. 9.50 crores (551) units falling under the purview of Small was made in the Central sector for 1988-89. Industries Development Organisation (5100) registered as at the end of Decem- [ Translation] ber, 1987 was about 10.48 lakhs. Acquisition of Land for Kahalgaon (b) and (c). The percentage growth of Super Thermal Power Project Bihar number of registered SSI units under the purview of 5100 during 1987 was 9.5% as 4604. SHRIMATI MANORAMA against growth rate of 10.2%, 12.9% and SINGH: Will the Minister of ENERGY be 12.0% during the years 1984, 1985 and pleased to state: 1986 respectively. (a) the number of persons from Funds for Installation of Solar Power Bhagalpur district who have been appointed Station in Kahalgaon Super Thermal Power Project in Bihar and the total number of persons from 4603. DR. DIGVIJAY SINH: Will the Bihar who are working there at present; Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (b) the number of persons whose land (a) the percentage allocation, out of the has been acquired for this project by the total budget, towards the Non-Conventional N.T.P.C. and whetheroutofthose families at energy sources; least one person has been provided employment; (b) the allocation made therefor during 1988-89; and (c) whether the payment for the ac- 147 Written Answers APRil 4. 1989 Written Answers 148 quired land has been made in full; and for the supply of the main inputs like lime- stone, gypsum. coal etc. With regard to the (d) if not. the time by which the full requirements of spares, adequate capacity payment would be made? is available within the country. Cement is packed in jute, synthetic woven or union THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE bags. Adequate capacity for manufacturing DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- these types of bags is available in the coun- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KAlP NATH RAI): try. In view of this Cement Corporation of (a) The number of persons from Bihar and India has no programme for ancillarisation. from the Bhagalpur district. who have been appointed in the Kahalgaon Super Thermal [English] Power Project. are 206 and 109 respectively. Clearance to R.E.C. Schemes of Madhya Pradesh (b) The lands of about 2600 persons have been acquired for the project. The 4606. SHRI PRATAP BHANU possibilities of providing employment to one SHARMA: Will the Minister of ENERGY be person from ea=:h of the displaced families pleased to state: are restricted by the limited employment potential ofthe project and the non-availabil- (a) whether Madhya Pradesh Electricity ity of suitable skilled personnel amongst the Board (MPEB) sent some new proposals land oustees. under the Rural Electrification Scheme to the Rural Electrification Corporation during (c) and (d). As perthe available informa- 1988-89; tion. about Rs. 9 crores have been disbursed from out of Rs. 10.99 crores deposited by the (b) if so, the details thereof; and National Thermal Power Corporation with the State Government towards the cost of (c) the number of such schemes land acquisition. cleared by the Rural Electrification Corpora- tion so far? Implementation of Ancillary Industry Programme by CCI Units In Madhya THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Pradesh DEPARTMENTOF POWER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KAlP NATH RAI): 4605. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: Will (a) and (b). During 1988-89, Madhya the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to Pradesh Electricity Board submitted 402 state: schemes to the Rural Electrification Corpo- ration. (a) whether the ancillary industry programme by the various units of the Cement (b) As on 29.3.1989, the Rural Electrifi- Corporation of India in Madhya Pradesh has cation Corporation has sanctioned 269 rural been implemented; and electrification schemes during 1988-89. (b) if not, the reasons therefor? House building loan Conditions In THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Public Sector Undertakings J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). Cement In- 4607. SHRI VIJOY KUMAR YADAV: dustry is basically a process industry which Will the Minister of IN DUSTRY be pleased to does not require support from ancillart units state: 149 Wriltgn Answers CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 150

(a) the names of pubflC sector undertak- courage tapping of more power from avail- ings foUowing Central Government Dear- able wind energy; ness Allowance pattern which have amended their different loan schemes/rules (d) whether Tamil Nadu will be given including the conditions for grant of house any priority in providing financial assistance building loans and brought them at par with by Union Government for this purpose; and the rules applicable to Government employees;and (e) if not, the reasons therefor?

(b) the names of such public sector THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI undertakings which have not yet amendedl VASANT SATHE): Yes, Sir. According 10 liberalized their house building rules/condi- present information, good wind potential tions in line with Government guidelines and also exists in the State of Gujarat, and to the reasons therefor? certain extent in Maharashtra, Orissa, Kar- nataka and Andhra Pradesh. Detailed inves- THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI tigations are in progress in 17 States/UTs for J. VENGALA RAO): (a) and (b). According to a more precise estimation of the wind energy the information furnished by 57 public enter- potential. prises out of 68, who are on Government DA pattern, 17 have informed that they do not (b) The Department of Non-conven- have any House Building Advance Scheme. tional energy Sources is implementing a 29 enterprises have reported that they have broad-based wind energy programme oov- not carried out any changes in their House ering water pumping, battery charging and Building Advance Scheme. Four enterprises power generation. Over 2300 water pump- have adopted Interest Subsidy Scheme in ing windmills have been installed in different respect of the house building advances parts of the country. Wind farm projects of taken by their employees from other authori- aggregate capacity 6.85 MW have been ties. seven public enterprises have intimated established which have so far fed over 155 that the house building advance schemes lakh units of electricity to the respective framed by them have been modified by them State grids. More wind power units can be enhancing the quantum of advance admis- established in more funds are made avail- sible to their employees. able.

Wind Energy Potential in Tamil Nadu (d) On account of good wind energy potential in Tamil Nadu, several major proj- 4608. SHRJ KADAMBUR ects have been sponsored with financial JANARTHANAN: Will the Minister of EN- assistance from the Department of Non· ERGY be pleased to state: Conventional Energy Sources in this area.

(a) whether Tamil Nadu has good wind (e) Does not arise. energy potential; Opening of New Post Offices In (b) which are the other States without Ahmednagar In Maharashtra much natural resources for hydro power but with more wind energy potential; 4609. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PA- (c) whether Union Government have TIL: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- chaIcad out any special programme to en- TIONS be pleased to state: 151 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answets 152

(a) whether Government have any pro- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE posal to open new post offices in MINISTRY OF COMMUNICAnONS (SHRI Ahmednagar district of Maharashtra; and GlR1DHAR GOMANGO): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. the capacity of Bangalore Telephone (b) if so, the places where the new post system exceeded on lakh lines on 11.2.89. offices are proposed to be opened and Therefore, from 12.2.89 the rental charges when? for telephone connections working in Ban- galore were revised as per the existing pro- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE visions of the Indian Telegraph Rules. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHAI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. Setting up of Electronic Telephone Exchanges In Gujarat (b) Post Offices have been sanctioned for Pimpal Gaon Nakvinda, Edara and 4611. SHRI RANJITSINGH Somsad Brandgaon villages. The dates of GAEKWAD: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- opening are being ascertained and will be CATIONS be pleased to state: laid on the Table of the House. (a) the details of the proposals to set up Revision In Rental Charges of Tele- electronic telephone exchanges in Gujarat phones in Bangalore during the Seventh Plan and the amount earmarkeJfor the purpose; and 4610. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (b) the physical achievement made and amount spent thereon against the allocation, (a) whether the rental changes for OYT year-wise? and Non-OYT, Central or Special telephone connections connected to the Bangalore telephones local system have been revised THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE consequent on the increase in the capacity MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI of local telephones system; and GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) and (b). The requisite information given in statements I (b) if so, the reasons therefore? and II below.

STA TEMENT-I

Para (a)

I. The following electronic exchanges of different types have been installed in Gujarat during the Seventh Five Year Plan, so far:

S. No. Name of place/exchange Type Capacity

2 3 4

1. Mehsana. PRX/A 3000( 3000}

2. 1000(Exp) 153 Wn1ten AnSW91S CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 154

1 2 3 4

3. Porbandar 3000

4. 1000 (Exp)

5. Gandhinagar 3000

6. 1000 (Exp)

7. Gandhidham 1000 (Exp)

8. 1000 ..

9. Veraval 1000 ..

10. Kodinar NEAX 400 "

11. 100 «Exp)

1~. Ras 128 Port COOT 85 (Exp)

13. Sandesan 85

14. Balisana 128 Port C DOT 85

15. Chittal 85

16. Liliyamota 85

17. OhilwaJ 85

18. Ahmedabad-Railwaypura E-10B 10.000

19. M Naranpura E-10B 8.000

20. 1000 (Exp)

21. M 39 Unit-ll 5000

22. .. Vatwa RLV 3000

23. M Vatwa RlU 1000 (Exp.)

24. II Naranpura 1000 (Exp)

25. M Railwaypura 1000 (Exp) WrbM ___ 151 Writ." An • .,. APRil 4. 1989 156

1 2 3 4

26. • 59 Unit-II 3000 (Exp)

27. • Naranpura 1000 •

28. • RajkotRllU 2000

29. Surat • 4000

STATEMENT-II

During the r9st of the plan period i.9. 1989-90 th9 following diff9rent types 01 BIectJonic exchanges are proposed to be in stalled in Gujarat.

S.No. Name of Place/exchange Type Capacity

2 3 4

1. Kevadia colony 512 Port IlT 380

(Indigenous)

2. Bhanvad -do- 380

3. Gadhoda -do- 380

4. Palaj -do- 380

5. Balasinoor -do- 380

6. Rajula -do- 380

7. Vanakbori 128 PortC-DOT 85

8. Dungar -do- 85

9. Kunkavav -do- 85

10. Vaghodia NEAX 500

11. Palitana -do- 700

12. Pandi -do- 400 157 CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) WIit." AnSWBIS 158

1 2 3 4

13. Ambaji -do- 600

14. Hazira (Kawan) -do- 600

15. Okha ESAX PAM 190

16. Udvada -do- 190

17. Kanjari -do- 190

18. Matar -do- 190

19. ChaJala -do- 190

20. Damnagar -do- 190

21. Vadia -do- 190

22. Nardipur -do- 190

23. Kanodar -do- 190

24. Surat E-10B 500 (Exp.)

25. Rajkot -do- 500 (Exp.)

In addition to above, 15 nos. of C-OOT during this period. Funds allocation for the RAXs and 26 units of Mini IL T 64 Parts have fifth year i.e. 1989-90 has not yet been also been pla[lned. finalised.

III. An amount of As. 73.71 crores was Annexure-II earmarked for the first four years of the 7th Plan. As against this, As. 76.81 crores was (b) Year-wise achievement and the spent to commission about 56,000 lines amount spent thereon is as under:-

Year Capacity Amount (No. of lines) (in Crores) Anotted Spent

1985-86 16,000 19.19 17.86

1986-87 12,000 13.67 18.52

1987-88 2,400 2.62 1.89

1988-89 25,610 37.83 38.56

_ 1989-90 10,500 (To be allotted) 159 Wnlt." Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 160

( Translation) region where wells have been drilled. 78 of these are equipped with fire-fighting facili- Complaint. of National Film Develop- ties. Five new platforms functioning with ment Corporation temporary decks have systems for automatic shut off and disconnection of the wells 4612. SHRt KAMLA PRASAD RAWAT: from the pipelines in case of any emergency. Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND The temporary decks are to be replaced with BROADCASTING be pleased to state: permanent decks incorporating full fire fighting facilities. (a) whether Government have received any complaints from the National Film De- In addition to these well platforms, there velopment Corporation; are nine process complexes which are fully equipped with fire-fighting facilities. (b) if so, the details thereof; [English] (c) the action taken by Government thereon; and Representation to Kerala State Colr Corporation on Coir Board (d) if no action has been taken, the reasons therefor? 4614. SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- WARA RAO: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- be pleased to state: TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (a) whether the Kerala State Coir Cor- (SHAI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) No, Sir. poration and the Cooperative Coir Federa- tion have been given representation in the (b) to (d). Do not arise. newly reconstituted Coir Board;

Drilling Platform In Bombay High (b) if not, the reasons therefor; and Offshore Region (c) whether Government propose to 46.13. SHAI JITENDRA SINGH: Will the give representation to these two important Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL institutions on the Coir Board? GAS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the number of drilling platforms in DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL· Bombay High Offshore Region at present; OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS· TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) The (b) whether all these drilling platforms Kerala State Coir Corporation and the Ccir are equipped with fire fighting arrange- Cooperative Federation have not been in· ments; and cluded in the recently constituted Coir Board. (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (b) and (c). The Coir Board was recon· THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE stituted as perthe provisions of Coir Industry MINISTRY OF PETROLE\JM AND NATU- Act, 1953 and Coir Industry Rules, 1954. RALGAS (SHRt BRAHMADUTI): (a) to (c). Representation is given to the categories There are 83 platforms in the Bombay High speciiied in the Act and the Rules. TIle 161 Written Answ9rS CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 162 selection of individual members has been (c) whether there is any proposal to done according to these rules. In doing so, seek the World Bank assistance for some representation has been given to various new power projects by the National Thermal coir producing States including Kerala. Power Corporation; and ApaM from the Chairman, there are 23 members. 3 are elected by the Parliament, 5 (d) If so, the details thereof? represent various State Governments In- cluding Kerala and 3 represent Central THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Government Departments/OrganisatIons. DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- Of the other 12 members, 5 are from Kerala. TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): (a) and (b). Yes, SIr. World Bank assistance World Bank Assistance to N.T.P.C. has been obtained for thirteen projects of the National Thermal Power Corporation Ltd., the details of whIch are given in the State- 4615. SHRI MURLlDHAR MANE: WIll ment below. the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state'

(a) whether the World Bank assistance (c) and (d). Farakka STPP Stage-III (1 x had been extended to the National Thermal 500 MW) and Additional Transmission sys- Power Corporation in the part for its power tem under Vindhyachal STPP Stage-I (6 projects; x210 MW) are posed for World Bank assistance. A World Bank mission also appraised (b) if so, the details thereof; these projects in January-February, 1989. 163 Written An.. .,.. APRil 4, 1989 Written Answers 164

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Allotment of Second LPG Cylinder to MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHR1 Consumer. GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The name of telephone exchanges in Anantapur district 4616. SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: Will the of Andhra Pradesh provided with STD facil- Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL it yare: GAS be pleased to state: Anantapur, Guntakal, Pamidi, Tadpatri, (a) whether issue of a second LPG Hindupur. cylinder to consumers has been stopped; (b) Dharmavaram telephone exchange (b) if so, the reasons therefor; in Anantapur District is planned for provision of SrD facility during the year 1989-90. (c) whether Government contemplate issuing second LPG cylinder to consumers (c) Due to limitation of the sources there in the near future; and is no proposal at present to provide SID iacility in other telephone exchanges of (d) if so, when? Anantapur district.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ( Translation] MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTI): (a) to (d). Assistance ror Development of Water The distributors are under instructions to Mills and Solar Energy release DBC to the consumers in the country as and when the consumers desire. How- 4618. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: Will ever, when there is a backlog in LPG sup- the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: plies or product constraint, etc., release of new DBCs is temporarity curtailed till the (a) whether many States have asked for situation normalises. the additional central assistance for the development of water mills and solar en- STD Facility In Anantapur District In ergy; Andhra Pradesh (b) if so, the extent of energy being 4617. SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA generated at pr~sent in the country through REDDY: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- these sources; TIONS be pleased to state: (c) whether these sources of energy (a) the details of telephone exchanges have proved to be commendable; and in Anantapur district of Andhra Pradesh provided with STD facility; (d) if so, the details of additional Central assistan~ proposed to be provided for this (b) the steps taken to provide STD facil- purpose: state-wise? Ity in all the tele'phone exchanges in Ananta- pur district; and THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) the time by which all the exchanges are likely to be provided with STD facility? (b) to (d). The Department of Non-conventional Energy Sources receives requests THE MINISTER OF STATE.. lN THE from time to time for increased central assis- 169 Written AnsWBrS CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Written AnswsfS 170

tance for development and utilisation of non- applications for new telephone connections conventional sources of energy including pending with different exchanges in Trivan- watar mills (mini and micro hydel) and Solar drum, Kerala as on 31 st December, 1988 is Energy. The Department provides assis- as under:- tance based on the availability of financial resources. The energy generated! saving Name of Wt1. as on from non-conventional energy sources Exchange 31-12-88 comprise 155 lakh units of electricity from wind farms established since 1986, energy Cross Bar 3257 equivalent of about 5,700 million Kwhr. per annum including about 312 million Kwhr. Per Kaithamukku 4278 annum from Solar Energy. Under the improved chulhas programme, it is estimated Sreekarim 1329 that an annual saving of 42 lakh tonnes of fuel wood per annum are being made. These (b) All the three exchanges are loaded sources have proved commendable since beyond 95% of their capacities and hence it they have already started giving significant will not be possible to give any bulk connec- benefits to the users. States are provided tions during 1989-90. Central assistance annually on the basis of past performance, requirement and availa- (c) 20,000 lines of E 10-8 exchanges bility of funds. Further expansion of pro- are allotted for 1989-90 and these are likely grammes and Central assistance will de- to be commissioned during early eighth plan pend on finances made available. period. Connections will be provided on commissioning of these exchanges. [Eng/ish] [ Translation] Application for Telephone Connections In Trivandrum, Kerala Desert Drilling Rigs for 011 Exploration in Rajasthan 4619. SHRI A. CHARLES: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 4620. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: to state: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: (a) the number of applications for Ilew telephone connections pending with different exchanges in Trivandrum, Kerala as on (a) the achievements made by the Oil 31 December, 1988 exchange-wise; and Natural Gas Commission and the Oil India Limited in the field of Exploration of oil (b) the number of telephone connec- and natural gas during the last three years; tions proposed to be given during the 1989- 90; and (b) whether progress in Western desert (c) the steps taken to expedite the allot- areas of Rajasthan is slow due to non-supply ment of telephone connections? of proper desert type drilling rigs there; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) if so, the arrangements proposed to MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI be made to make available the requisite GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The number of number of rigs to expedite the drilling work? 171 APRI.. 4, 1989

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE comoanr No. 01 PtaC8S MINISTRY OF PETROlEUM AND NATU- ONGC 37 all 8 RAL GAS ( BRAHM DUll): (a) the efforts During the period 1.1.1985 to 1.1.1988, made by ONGC and OL during the period the addition togeological reserves of oil and 1.1.86 to 31.12.88 have resulted in the dis- oil equivalent of gas by these companies aNety of hydrocarbons as under: was as under :- (Million tonnes)

1985 1986 1987

ONGC 112.64 298.54 411.69

OIL ~9.55 ·27.22 38.74

(b) and (c). There is no delay in the Introduction of Demand TAUlk Service progress of exploration in the Western desert areas ~ Rajasthan on account of special 4622. SHRI LAKSHMAN MAllICK: type of rigs required for the area. Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: [English) (a) the names of cities to which the Setting up of Major Centratlndustry In Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Ud. Delhi has Karala introduced Demand Trunk Service; and

4621. PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Will the (b) the other cities proposed to be linked Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: by Demand T ronk Service as per plan of the Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Ltd. Delhi (a) whether the major industry has been during the current financial year? set up !n Kerala under the Central Public Sector during the Sixth and Seventh Plans THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE periods; MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIOHAR GOMANGO): (a) The informa- (b) if not, whether there is any proposal tion is given in the Statement below. 10 set up any new major Central industry in th_ State; and (b). The plans for 1989-90 have not yet been finalised.

The names of the cities to which Demand THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHAt Trunk Service has been introduced from J. VENGAl RAO): (a) to (c). Out of the 5 Delhi are given below: Central Public Sedor Enterprises with their registered OffICes in Kerala only one Central S.No. Station Pubfic Sector Enterprise namely Hindustan Newsprints Ud. has been set up in .the State t 2 3 during the Sixth and Seventh '"Five Year Plans. 1. Abohar 1579 173 Wrilten Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnSW8fS 174

1 2 3 2 3

2. Agartala 1592 25. Gurgaon 1572

3- Aizawl 1593 26. Guwahati 1590

.... Agra 1563 27. GwaJior 1563

5. Ahmedabad 1598 28. Hapur 1533

6. Aligarh 1531 29. Hissar 1573

7. Allahabad 1564 30. Hyderabad 1599

8. Ambala 1575 31. Imphal 1592

9. Amritsar 1578 32. Itanagar 1593

10. Bangalore 1597 33. Jagadhari 1575 /

11. Bareiliy 1531 34. Jaipur 1594

12. Baroda 1598 35. Jalandhar 1581

13. Batinda 1579 36. Jammu Tawi 1580

14. Bikaner 1534 37. Jodhpur 1594

15. Bhiwani 1574 38. Kanpur 1561

16. Bhopal 1530 39. Bhubneshwar 1591

17. Bombay 150 40. Karnal 1532

18. Bullandshahr 1567 41. Kotah 1594

19. Calcutta 151 42. Khima ·1593

20. Chandigarh 1570 43. Lucknow 1560

21. Dehradun 1565 44. Ludhiana 1Sn

22. Ernakulam 1535 45. Madras 152

23. Faridabad 1571 46. Mathura 1533

24. Gangtok 1592 47. Meerut 1562 175 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 176

1 2 3 2 3

48. Modinagar 1566 71. Trivendrum 1597

49. Moradabad 1566 72. Udaipur 1534

SO. Mussoone 1565 73. Varanasi 1564

51. Muzaff arnagar 1568 74. Gandhinagar

52. Panipat 1532 Speed Trunk Service

53. Patiala 1579 1. Indore 1596

54. Patna 1591 2. Nagpur 1595 55. Pune 1535

56. Panjim 1599 S.T.O. Facility in Kerala

57. Pathankot 1576 4628. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the Mini~ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 58. Raibareilly 1567 to state:

59. Ranchi 1536 (a) the number of telephone exchanges in Kerala haVing S.T.D. facility; 60. Rewari 1572 (b) the Telephone exchanges which are 61. Rohtak 1573 proposed to be linked by S.T.D. facility and

62. Roorkee 1568 (c) the time by which S.T.O. facility will be introduced in those exchanges? 63. Saharanpur 1568 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 64. Shillong 1590 MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) 94 Telephone 65. Siliguri 1536 Exchanges in Kerala have been provided with S.T.D. facility. 66. Shimla 1576 (b) and (c). the following telephone 67. Sirsa 1574 exchanges in Kerala are planned for provision of STD facility by March, 1990. 68. Sonipat 1532 Chelari, Haripad, Kasargod (DHQ), Kanjira- 69. Sriganga Nagar 1534 pally, Kunnamangalam, Kondotti, Kon- niyapuram, Kandassankadavu, Koothattu 70. Srinagar 1580 Kulam. Mavelikara. Manjeswar, Mundoor, 177 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 178

Mulankunathukavu, Pampady, Parappan- RAL GAS be pleased to state the number of gudi. Ponkunnam, Qual,andy, Uppala, LPG agencies and petrol pumps allotted to Vadakkancherry, and Valappad. West Bengal during 1986, 1987 and 19881

Allotment of ....G Agencies and Petrol THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Pumps in West Bengal MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTI): The number of LPG distributorships and Retail 4624. SHRI PHULRt:NU GUHA: Will Outlet dealershIps allotted in West Bengal the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU· during 1986, 1987 and 1988 are as follows:

LPG distributorships Retail Outlet Dealerships

1986 20 22

1987 7 11

1988 23 19

Development of Sources of Energy in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Punjab DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): 4625. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY: Will (a) The likely expenditure on the develop- the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: ment of the power sector in Punjab during the first four years of the 7th Plan (1985-89) is anticipated to be Rs. 1578 crores. (a) the amount spent for the development of sources of energy in Punjab during (b) and (c). The provision of funds for the Seventh Plan till date: the development of various sectors is made by the State Government in its Annual Plans according to the relative priority accorded by (b) whether the amount spent in Punjab it to each sector and the availability of re- is less as compared to its population and sources. While determining the sectoral energy requirements; and outlays for 1989-90, top priority has been accorded by Punjab to the power sector for (c) if so, the reasons therefor and meas- which an allocation of Rs. 317.52 crores has ures adopted to provide more funds for the been made within the State's total Annual development of energy in Punjab? Plan of Rs. 786 crores. 179 Wrilten Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 180

industrial Ucenca. to SCIST Communi- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI ties GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a> and (b). Yes. Sir. An STDIISD call control facility has been 4626. SHRI HET RAM: Will the Minis- introduced in some digital electronic ex- ter of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: changes (E-1 08) on an experimental basis. Under the system, STDI1SD call facility can

(b) if so, the details thereof; and (c) and (d). This facility has also been introduced on ex.rimental basis in some E- (c) if not, the reasons therefor? 108 exchanges outside Delhi. h will be extended to all E-108 exchanges gradually THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE after the success of the experiment. DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- Telephone Connections from Janpath TRV (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) to (c). Telephone Exchange . Industrial licences are given liberally to all eligible applicants. Further, in respect of a 4628. SHRIMATI PRABHAWATI number of items there is 10tal delicensing in GUPTA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- respect of most other items upto As. 15 TIONS be pleased to state: crores and As. 50 crores, depending upon the location there is no need for any licence. The question of reservation, therefore, does (a) the number of telephone connec- not arise. tions released from the Janpath Telephone Exchange dUring the last 3 months; Facilities to Subscribers on S. T.O. Calls (b) the date of priority in each category 4627. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. covered from Janpath exchange; and BHOSALE: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- CATIONS be pleased to state: (c) by when the waiting list will be (a) whether the Mahanagar Telephone cleared? Nigam Ltd. Delhi, in celebration of the consumers day, has introduced certain facilities to its subscribers on STO calls; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION (SHRI (b) if so, the details thereof; GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The numberof telephone connections released from the waiting list of Janpath Exchange during the (c) whether Government propose to lastthree mont~ (from 1.12.88t028.2.89) is introduce such facilities to subscribers out- 318. side Delhi also; and

(d) if not. the reasons therefor? (b) The dates upto which waiting list in Janpath Exchange has been cleared for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN. THE various categories are given below: 181 ~ITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Wnlten AnsW8IS 182

OYT-8peciaf 16.3.89 during oonstruction; better cootdination through periodic meetings with major aq. OYT--General 16.3.89 ment suppliers. Central Electricity Authorty. Project Authorities and other concerned Non-OYT-SS 06.3.89 agencies; and visits to the project sites by senior officers of Central Electricity Authority Non-OYT-SpeciaJ 06.3.89 to sort our problems that arise from time to time. Non-OYT-General 13.3.89 Pending Applications for Telephone (c) Waiting list for new telephone Connections In Maharashtra connections wiD be cleared progressively. 4630. SHRI PRAKASH. V. PA TIL: WiD Cost of Overruns In Hyd~Electric the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Projects pleased 10 sta1e:

4629. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will (a) the number of applications for new the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to telephone connections pending in Mahar- state: ash1ra, town-wise;

(a) whGther there are heavy cost of (b) whether the time for getting a overruns over the original estimates of telephone connection in other towns d hydroelectric projects; Maharashtra is much more than in Bombay;

(b) if so. the details thereof and the (c) whether it is proposed to have a factors responsible therefor; and proper development programme for the various towns of Maharash~ra; and (c) the steps taken to minimise the cost overruns? (d) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI TRY OF ENERGY: (SHRI KAlP NA TH GIRIDHAA GOMANGO): (a) The informa- RAI): (a) and (b). Generally. there are cost tion Exchange-wise is given in the State- overruns over the original estimates of ment -I below. Hydro-electric Projects due to various reasons such as general escalation at prices (b) No Sir. during the construction period. delays in the execution of the projects. changes in the (c) Yes. Sir. design on account of geological reasons. changes in the scope of works. etc. (d) The development programme has Cc) Some of the steps being taken to been drawn to meet the objectives outfined. minimise the cost overruns of hydroelectric for the Seventh Five Year Plan. These are projects are: regular monitoring of projects indicated in Statement-II below. 183 Writtsn AnSW(JfS APRIL 4. 1989 Written Answers 184

STATEMENT -I

ANNEXURE-I

Part (a)

SI. No. Name of Exchanges Type No. of application on waiting list of Telephones as on 31.12.88

2 3 4

AHMEDNAGAR DISTRICT

1. Ahmednagar Group of Exge's. 2100

2. Kopergaon MAX II 199

3. Rahuri CBM 41

4. Sangamner CBM 290

5. Shrirampur MAX·II 303

AKOLA DISTRICT

6. Akola MAX-I 2135

7. Akot CBM 16

8. Balapur CBNM

9. Karanja CBM 22

10. Murtizapur CBNM 13

11. Mangrulpir CBNM 8

12. Patur MAX-II Nil

13. Telhara CBNM 7

14. Washim CBM 21

AMRAVATI DISTRICT

15. Achalpur CBM 156

16. Amravati MAX-I 2369 185 wrtten Answws CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) WlttBn AnstNIs 188

1 2 3 4

17. Badnera MAX-III 114

18. Anjangaon CBNM 17

19. Chandur Bazar CBNM 2

20. Chandur Railway CBNM 2

21. Dhamangaon CBNM 56

22. ChikhaJdara MAX-II

23. Daryapur CBNM 43

24. Marsh; CBNM 23

25. Shendur Janaghat MAX-III 12

26. Warud CBNM 32

AURANGABAD DISTRICT

27. Aurangabad Group of Exch's. 6089

28. Gangapur MAX-III 23

29. Kannad CBNM 44

30. Khultabad MAX-III 28

31. Vijapur CBNM 27

BHANDARA DlsmlCT

32. Bhandara MAX-II 311

33. Warthi MAX-III 5

34. Gondia MAX-II 657

35. Mohadi MAX-III 11

36. Pauni (BHV) MAX-III 5

37. Tumsar MAX-II 111 187 Written Answsn; APRll 4, 1989 Written Answcn 188

1 2 3 4

38. Tirora CBNM 11

BHIR DISTIRCT

39. Am bejog ai CBM 68

40. Parali-Vaijnath CBM 78

41. Ashti CBNM 2

42. Bead MAX-II 341

43. Gebrai CBNM 32

44. Dharur MAX-II 6

45. Manjalegaor CBNM 36

BULDANA DISTRICT

46. Buldana MAX-II 262

47. Chikhali CBNM 29

48. Oeulgaon Raja CBNM 10

49. Jalgaon Jamod CBNM

SO. Malkapur CBM 63

51. Mehkar CBNM 16

52. Nandura CBNM 29

53. Shegaon CBNM 16

54. Khamgaon MAX-II 233

CHANDRAPUR DISTRICT

55. Chand rapu r Group of Exge's 969

56. Rajura CBNM 19

57. Wadora CBNM 17 189 Wnlt." AnswetS CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) Written AnSWSIS 190

1 2 3 4

DHULIA DISTRICT

58. Dhule MAX-' 1487

59. Nabapur CBNM 35

60. Nandurbar MAx-II 201

61. Don haich a CBM 10

62. Shirpur CBM 16

63. Shahada CBM 69

64. Taloda CBNM 12

GADCHIROLJ DISTRICT

65. Oesaiganj. CBNM 4

JALGAON DISTRICT

66. Amalgaon MAX-III 2

67. Bhusawal MAX-II 435

68. Vavangaon CBNM 2

69. Chalisgaon CBM 296

70. Chopda CBM 6

71. Dharang~n CBNM 3

72. Erandol CBNM 14

73. Jalgaon MAX-I 2250

74. Pachora CBM 70

75. Parola CBNM 25

76. Savda-Faizpur CBNM 44

n. Raver CBNM 27 191 WrlltenAnswers APRIL 4. 1989 Written AnsMn 192

1 2 3 4 , / 78. Yawol CBNM 10

JALNA DISTRICT

so. Ambad CBHM 2

81. Bhokardan MAX III 2

82. Jalna MAX II 1236

83. Partur CBNM 5

KOLHAPUR DISTRICT

84. Gandhinaglaj CBM 37

85. Vadgaon CBNM 17

86. Kolhapur Group of Exge's 4521

87. Ichalkaranji MAX~II 2374

88. Kagal CBNM 9

89. Murgud CBNM 5

90. Panhala MAX III 17

91. Kalkapur CBNM

92. Jaysingpur MAX II 250

93. Kurundwali CBNM 12

LA nJR DISTRICT

94. Latur MAX II 936

95. Ahmedpur CBNM 14

96. Ausa MAX III 10

97. NiJanga CBNM

98. Udgir CBM 249 193 Wnlten AnstNts CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswetS 194

1 2 3 4

NAGPUR DISTRICT

99. Katol CBNM 18

100. Kalmeshwar MAX III 52

101. Mohpa MAX III 3

102. Nagpur Group of Exch. 16567

103. Mowad MAX III

104. Narkhed CBNM 7

105. Pauni {(RMT) MAX III 7

106. Ramtek CBNM 12

107. Saoner - do- 2

108. Umrer - do- 15

NANDED DISTRICT

109. Nanded MAX II 234-0

110. Mudkhed MAX III

111. Mukhed CBNM 14

112. Billoli MAX III 4

113. Dharmabad CBNM 7

114. Kundalwadi MAX III

115. Kinwat CBNM 5

116. Umari MAX III 11

117. Mukrambad MAX III

118. Ha_dgaon CBNM 9

119. Kandhar -do - 195 Written AnSWBTI APRil 4, 1989 Witten AnsweIs 196

1 2 3 4

NASIK DISTRICT

120. Chandwad CBNM 4

121. Igatpuri - do- 20

122. Malegaon CBM 9n.

123. Ravalgaon MAX III

124. Manmad NEAX 66

125 .. Nandgaon CBNM 4

126. Ozar CBM 10

127. Trimbak MAX III 5

128. Nasik Group of Exge. 5703

129. Lasalgaon CBM 2

130. Sinnar - do- 64

131. satan a - do - 11

132. Yeola - do- 26

OSMANABAD DISTRICT

133. Bheam CBNM 16

134. Kallam - do- 25

135: Murum MAXIII 24

136. Omerga CBNM 75

137. Osmanabad MAX II 146

138. Paranda CBNM 4

1•• Naldurg MAX III 4

140. Tufgapur CBNM 1 197 WIiIsn AnsW9tS CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Written AnsW91S 198

1 2 3 4

PARBHANI DISTRICT

141. Kalamnuri CBNM

142- Jaintur CBNM 15

143. Basmatnagar - do - 17

144. Gangakhed - do -

145. Sonpeth MAX III

146. Hingoli CBM 8

147. Manwat CBNM 15

148. Pathri MAX III 5

149. Saliu CBM 30

150. Parbhani - do - 482

151. Puma MAX III 5

PUNE DISTRICT

152. Daramati MAX II 310

153. Shor CBNM 5

154. Daund - do- 100

155. Dehuroad MAX II 160

156. Pune Greoup of exchgs. 37445

157. Indapur CBNM 44

158. Junnar - do- 94

159. Lonavala MAX II 687

160. Talegoon MAX II 222 ,. W,.,.,AI--. APRIL 4. 1989 Wrilt., AnsMn 200

1 2 3 4

161. Jejuri MAX KKK 36

162. Nira CBNM 4

163. Saswad • do- 44

164. Kadus MAX III 5

165. AJandi MAX II 52

166. Godnadi CBNM 81

RA&4D DISTRICT I

167. AIbag CBM 133

168. Ravandanda MAX III 16

169. Karjat CBNU 76

170. Heral CBNM 33

171. Matheran CBNM 13

172. KhopoIi MAX-III 168

173. Mohad CBM 126

174 Goregaon CBNM 4

175 Mhesla MAX-III 22

176. Pataiganga MAX-II 63

In. Pen CSM 63

178. Roha NEAX 35

179. Shilvardhan CBNM 23

RATNAGEII DISTRICT

110. AIare MAX-III Nil 201 Wnlt9l1 AnsINf5 CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Wnlten Answ8Is 202

1 2 3 4

181 Chiplun CSY 279

182 Dabhol MAX-III 13

183. Dapoli CBM 37

184. Hamat MAX-III 41

185. Kned CBM 63

186. Ratnagiri MAX-II 481

SANGLI DISTRICT

187 Vita CBM 148

188 Miraj MAX-II 1010

189 Sangli MAX..J 1863

190 Kirioskarwadi CBNM 106

191 Tasgaon CBNU 55

192 Ashta CBNM 36

193 Islampur CBM 82

SA TARA DISTRICT

194 Koregaon MAX-II 102

195 Rahimatpur MAX-III 25

196. -Karad MAX-II 765

197. Mhaswad MAX-III 19

198. Mahabalushwar MAX-II 68

199. Panchgani MAX-II n

200. PhoItan MAX-II 201

201. Batara Group of &ge. 1382 203 Wlit." Answers APRil 4. 1989 Wliten AnswetS 204

1 2 3 4

202. Wai CBM 108 slDHUDURGA DISTRICT

203. Kankavali C8NM 45

204. Malvan CBNM 27

2()f). Rajapur CBNM 27

206. Sawantwadi CBM 117

207. Vengurla CBNM 9

SOLA PUR DISTRICT

208. Akkalkot MAX-II 32

209. Dudhani MAX-III

210. Maindargi MAX-III

211. Barsi MAX-II 339

212. Kurdwadi MAX III 27

213. Mangalwadha CBNM 4

214. Pandharpur CBM 185

215. Karmala CBNM 9

216. Sangola CBNM 45

217. Solapur MAXI 2715

THANA DISTRICT

218. Bassein CBM 2258

219. Nalasopara CBM 445

220. Virar MAX II 467

221. Bhayandar MAX II 3187 205 Writen AnsIM'S CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Wrilen AnswelS 206

1 2 3 4

222. Bhiwandi MAX II 4067

223. Dabanu MAX II 195

224. Jawahar CBNM 39

225. Dombivli MAX II 4164

226. Kolyan MAXI 2203

227. Palghat CBM 407

228. Shahapur CBNM 58

229. Ambarnath MAX II 729

230 Kulgaon CBNM 387

231. Ulhansnagar MAXI 3258

232. Woda CBNM 33

WARDHA DISTRICT

233. Arvi CBM 17

234. Deoli CBNM Nil

235. Pulgaon CBNM 14

236. Hinganghat CBM 57

237. Sindi MAX-III

238. Wardha MAX-II 580

YEOTMAL DISTRICT

239. Darwh~ CBNM

240. Oigras CBNM 5

241. Ghatanji CBNM 6

242. Pandharkawada CBNM 8 201 ~Answ.. APRI.. 4. 1989 Written Answcn 208

1 2 3 4

243. Pusad CBM 56

244. Umerkhed CBNM 6

245. Wani CBM 59

246. YeotmaJ MAXll 626

247. Bombay Group of Excha 206959

2~. New Bombay 8669

249. Pune (Distt) 41208

STATEMENT-II

As per 7th plan objectives and subject to timely availability of Exchange equipment and aeociaIed stors. it is perposed to clear the average registered demand by 31.3.1990 as toIows:-

Unit Meeting the average d8mand registered upto

1. Metro Telephone Distt. 30.9.1986

2. Major Telephone Oistt. 30.9.1986

3. Minor Telephone Distl 1.4.1987

4.. Remaining Places

a) MAX-I (large Exchanges more than 2000 Jines) 1.4.1987

b) MAX-II (Medium EXchanges between 200-2000 lines.) 1.4.1988

c) MAX-II (small Exchanges less than 200 lines ). 1.4.1990 [ Translatbn) (a) whether at the time.of Festival of Selling up of Industries In Joint Sector France in India held recently. an agreement was signed between the two countries for 4631. SHRI KAt. PRASAD PANDEY: setting up any industries in the joint sedor; \WI the Minister of Industry be pleased to .... : .(b) If so, the details of the agreement 209 CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) Wrltsn AnSMHS 21 0 and the capital to be invested by France; and DEPARTMENT OF COAL IN THE MINIS- TRY OF ENERGY(SHRI C.I<. JAFFER (c) when the said aJreement is Jikety to SHARIEF): (a) No. Sir. be implemented? (b) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAl DEVEL- (c) and (d). A Chief General Manager in OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- the grade of E 9 has been posted to be TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHAlAM»: (a) to (c). incharge of the coalfields in the Stale of A Joint Venture Agreement for setting up a Orissa The creation of a post of Director Public Umited company in India with equity (Technical) with headquarters at Sam- participation of Government of India (De- balpur, having both operational and plan- partment of Sio-Technology). Indian Petro- ning responsibilities, for Orissa coaHields is chemicals Corporation of India CIPel) and under consideration. Institute Merieux of France (1M) was signed on 1st February, 1989 in New Delhi by the Industrial Sickness representatives of the three promoters of the Company. The three promoters and general 4633. SHRI SOMNATH RA TH: Willtha public will have 25% share holding each in Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: the company. Under this ~greement France will transfer technology for the production of (a) whether suggestions have been IPV. Quadruple (DPTP). Measles Vaccine, made by the Life Insurance Corporation of and Rabies Vaccine. Necessary approvals India for removal of Industrial sickness; have been obtained for the speedy implementation of the project. (b) if so, the details thereof;

[English] (c) whether Government have accepted these suggestions; Opening of New Coal Divisions (d) if not, the reasons therefor? 4632. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state: DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- (a) whether Government have recently TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) No, taken administrative decision to open some Sir. new coal divisions in the country; (b) to (d). Do not arise. (b) if so, the number of coal divisions proposed to be opened; State-wise; Waiting List for Telephone Connections (c) whether Government have also in Sambalpur, Berhampur, CUttack, taken a decision to set up a coal division Bhubaneswar and Rourkela Cities exclusively for Orissa; and 4634. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: (d) if so. the steps taken to establish that SHRI SRlBALLAV PANI- coal division? GRAHl: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE TIONS be pleased to state: 211 APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 212

(a) the number of applicants in Sam- Cc) whether any discussions on multilat- baIpur. 8erhampur. Cuttack. Bhubaneswar eral business issues of developing countries and Rourkela cities on the waiting list for were also held; and telephone connection as on 31 December. 1988; (d) if so, the outcome thereof?

(b) the steps taken to clear the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE waiting list; and DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- (c) the number of applicants in those TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) to (d): cities likely to get telephone connections Mr. Faulkner, who will be taking over as by the end of December. 1989? Secretary-General of International Cham- ber of Commerce shortly, visited India and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE made courtesy calls on Ministers of Industry, MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION (SHRJ Finance and Commerce. No formal discus· GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Waiting list sion was held on multilateral business is- as on 31.12.1988 is as follows:- sues.

i) Sambalpur 171 Shortage of LPG

ii) Berhampur 556 4636. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: iii) Cuttack 2216 Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND iv) Bhubaneswar 2566 NA TURAl GAS be pleased to state:

v) Rourkela 125 (a) whether there is an acute shortage of LPG in the country; (b) The Exchanges are being expanded suitably to gradually clear the wait- (b) tl so, the reasons therefor; ing list. (c) the steps taken to increase the (c) It is proposed to provide 580 new production of LPG; and telephones in Sambalpur, 570 in Berham- pur, 2700 in Cuttack, 4000 in Bhubaneswar (d) the time by whIch the LPG shortfall and 600 in Rourkela by December, 1989. will be covered?

Discussions with International Cham- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ber of Commerce MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) to (d). 4635. SHRIMATI D.K. BHANDARI: A backlog in supply of LPG refills had devel· Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to oped temporarily in several parts of the state: country. recently on account of shortfall in (a) whether any discussions have been the bulk availability of LPG, apart from held with officials of International Chamber movement, industrial relations and other ot Commerce recently; operational constraints. With the measures already initiated. the situation has since (b) if so, the details thereof; considerably imprOVed. Efforts are being 213 CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswIs 214 made to maximise indigenous LPG produc- (c) the details of the plant proposed to tion and also augment supplies through Yerguvanilanka by Andhra Pradesh Gov- imports to the extend feasible. The situation ernment? is being closely monitored by the oil industry with a view to ensuring regular supplies to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the ronsumers. DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): Gas-Based Power Plants tn Andhra (a) and (b). Gas-based thermal power proj- Pradesh ects of an aggregate capac~y of 3303.5 MW have be sanctioned for commissioning dur- 4637. SHRI BHA ITAM ASRIRAMA ing the Seventh Plan period and bayonet. MURTY: Will the Minister of ENERGY be The details are given in the Statement be- pleased to state: low.

(a) whether Government have propos- (c) A feasibility Report for the setting up als for setting up gas based power plants of 3x3 MW Mobile Gas Turbine Sets at with a cumulative capacity of about 3000 Yeruguvaui lanka, at an estimated cost of MW. Rs. 14.40 crores, was received in the Central Electricity Authority {CEA) but the Andhra (b) if so, the details of proposals submit- Pradesh State Electricity Board have since ted by State Governments in this regard; and withdraw the proposal. 215 Written AnswStS APRIL 4. 1989 Written Answws 216

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[ TI'81SIatDiJ] [English)

Amount spent on Treatment of Bhopal Settang up of Petrochemical Complexes Gas Victims 4639. SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA 4638. SHRI S.D. SINGH: Will the NARSIMHARAJAWADIYAR: Will the Min- Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: ister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state:

(a) the amount being spent on the (a) the number of gas based petro- treatment of Bhopal gas victims each year; chemical complexes proposed to be set up during 1989-90, Statewise; and (b) the number of persons likely to be cured completely and by what time they are (b) the investment proposed to be Ikely to be cured; and made by Union Government in those projects, projectwise? (c) the means of livelihood of the gas victims and their families? THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). One gas THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI based petrochemical complex is under im- J. VENGAL RAO): (a) According to avail- plementation at Nagothane in Maharashtra able information about Rs. 20 crores have by Indian Petrochemicals Corporation Ltd., been spent on providing medical facilities a public sector undertaking under this Minis- and for the medical treatment of the victims. try. The estimated capital cost of this complex is Rs. 1390 crores. (b) and (c). Detailed medical documen- tation of the victims has been undertaken. In Manufacture of lyres for Aeroplanes the meanwhile those requiring medical attention are receiving treatment in the special 4640. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Min- facilities that have been set-up for dealing ister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: with such cases. {a) whether rubber producers are per- Ex-gratia relief has been provided to the mitted to manufacture tyres for the aero- next of kin of the deal and to the affected planes; and families. Monthly pension is being provided to widows and destitutes who are also now (b) if so, the firms which have been receiving free food-grains. \n addition, sev- permitted to do so? eraJ worksheds have been set-up to provide training and employment to the needy victims. Rnancial assistance is also provided THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE by the State Government under the Special DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- Training and Employment Programme for OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- Urban-Poor (STEP-UP). Till 31.1.1989, TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) and 22. 169 families have received such assis- (b). The:e is no separate provision for grant tance. Health and nutritional support is being of permission to rubber prbducers to manu- provided to children and lactating mothers. facture any type of tyres. Two tyre manufac- ev.y effort is_ thus being made to provide' turing companies viz MIs Dunlop India lim- means of livelihood to those gas victims and_ ited and MIs MRF Limited. have been per- their famHies who require such assistance. mitted to manufacture tyres tor aeroplanes. 223 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 WtitenAns .... 224

Completion of National Thermal Station employment of 120 persons. Out of this 51 Storage points In Tamil Nadu persons are already in position. Recruitment is on for filling the balance vacancies. 4641. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Min- ister ( -~ERGY be pleased to state: (d) The approved cost of the Project is Rs. 75.8 crores. (a) whether the construction of National Thermal Station storage points on the Ma- Licence to Marutl Udyog Limited to dras-eonjeevaram route in Tamil Nadu has manufacture New Cars been completed; and 4643. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- (b) if so, the details thereof? CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of fNDUS- TRY be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN DE- PARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- (a) whether Government have issued TRY OF ENERGY (SHAI KALP NATH RAI): any fresh licence during 1988 or 1989 to the (a) and (b). The National Thermal Power Maruti Udyog Limited for the manufacture of Corporation (NTPC) have completed the new model cares or other vehicl~s; construction of a 400 KV Sub-Station at Sriperumbundur (between Madras and (b) if so, the details thereof; and Kanchipura) on behalf of the Neyveli Lignite Corporation who own the installation. (c) the target for the manufacture and export by the Maruti Udyog Limited during Benzene Project of Cochin Refineries 1989-90 Ltd THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI 4642. SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMA- J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). No, Sir. CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of PETRO- However Government have approved the LEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to proposal of Maruti Udyog Limited for manu- atate: facture of a 1000-cc 3-box car at an estimated cost of Rs. 97.9 croras within the (a) whether the Benzene project forthe existing licensed capacity of Maruti Udyog Cochin Refineries Ltd. has been success- Ltd. . fully commissioned; (c) The target for the manufacture and (b) whether the project has achieved export by the Maruti Udyog Limited during the additional employment envisaged; 1989-90 is 1,15,000 and 3.250 vehicles respectively. (c) if so, tha details thereof; and Expansion of Telecommunication (d) the total outlay of the project? Facilities during Seventh Plan

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 4644. SHRt PARASRAM BHARD- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- WAJ; Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) Yes, TIONS be pleased to state: Sir. (a) the amount spent for expansion of (b) and (c). The project envisaged telecommunication facilities in each State 225 Written AnswelS CHAJTRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AM...,. 226 and Union Territory out of the allocation allocated to territorial circles which are not made in the Seventh Plan as on 31st Janu- always coterminous with StatesAJnion Terri- ary. 1989; and tories. Besides, allocations are also made to functional circles with functions extending (b) the number of telephones per thou- over the area of more than one territorial· sand persons in each State, particularly in circle. Territorial circle wise expenditure on Madhya Pradesh? expansion of Telecommunications facilities during the Seventh Plan period upto 31.1.89 is shown in statement - ) below. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) Information is given in Statement II. GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Funds are below. ST ATEMENT - I

(In Crores o( Rs.)

51. No. Name o( Circle Expenditure in the Seventh Remarks Plan paid upto 31.1.89.

1. Andhra 263.99

2. Assam 14.94

3. Bihar 72.30

4. Gujarat 332.80 including Darda and Nagar Haveli.

s. Haryana 36.00

6. Himachal 14.98

7. J & K 26.26

8. ,Karnataka 290.27

9. Kerala 237.03 including Lakshadweep

10. M.P. 147.51

11. *Maharashtra 391.10 including Goa includes Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya. Nagaland, Manipur. T ripura, Mizoram

'2. North East 34.29 2ZT Wnlten AnsMn APRL4,l989 WItt." AnsMn 228

(In Crotw 01 Rs.)

Sf. No. Name 01 CircIB &penditure in the Seventh Remarb Plan paid upto 31.1.89.

13. Orissa 53.07

14. Punjab 154.00 including Chandigarh

15. Rajasthan 124.85

16. Tamil Nadu Circle and Madras Telephones 416.08 includes Pondicherry

17. U.P. 205.49

18. West Bengal Cirde and Calcutta Telephones 224.22 includes Sikkim and Andaman &Nicobar Islands.

19.- Delhi 82.85

3122.03

Funds allocated to twelve functional drcles entrusted with installation and maintenance of long Distance Communication network, two training centres three Telerom Fadories and a Centralised 671.00 Stores Organisation 3793.03

~IQUr8S include expenditure of Delhi & Bombay Telephones District upto 85-86. Since 1.4.86 BombaylDelhi T•. phones District have formed a part of MTNL.

STATEMENT~I

SL No. Name of Stale No. of telephones per thousand person (as on 31.1.89)

1 2 3

1. Andhra Pradesh 5.1

2. Assam 1.7 229 WrMtsn Answers CHAfTRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Written AnswSIS 230

1 2 3

3. Bihar 1.2

4. Gujarat (including Dadra & Nagar Haveli & Daman and Diu) 10.7

5. Haryana 5.6

6. Himachal Pradesh 5.8

7. Jammu & Kashmir 4.2

8. Karnataka 6.8

9. Kerala (induding lakshadweep & Pondicherry) 7.4

10. Madhya Pradesh 2.6

11. Maharashtra (including Goa) 13.3

12. Orissa 1.8

13. Punjab (including Chandigarh) 9.0

14. Rajasthan 3.5

15. Tamil Nadu 7.9

17. West Bengal (including Sikkim & Andaman & Nicobar Islands) 5.0

18. North Eastern States 3.1

(Arunachal Pradesh, Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Nagaland, Tripura)

TV Transmitter At Kambham, A.P. transmitter at Ongola Prakasam district (A.P) is not powerful enough to relay the T. V. 4645. SHRI C. SAMBU: Will the Minis- programmes to surrounding hill areas; and ter of INFORMATION & BROADCASTING be pleased to state: (b) If so, the details thereof?

(a) Whether it is proposed to set up THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- another TV transmitter in Kambham Town of TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- Prakasam district, (A.P.) as the existing FORMATION & BROADCASTING (SHRI 231 Wrinen Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Wdten AM... 232

H.K.L BHAGAT): (a) and (b). Besides the (b) if so, the details thereof; and low power TV transmitter functioning at Ongole. parts 01 Prakasam district of Andhra (c) if not. how long it win take to identify Pradesh receive TV service from the high this project? power (10 KW) TV transmitterfunctioninQ at Vijayawada. There is. however. no proposal THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to establish another TV trans miner in Praka- DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- sam district under the Seventh Plan. TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NA TH RAI): (a) to (c). The USSR authorities have of- Second 011 Refinery In Andhra Pradesh fered assistance for the construction of a thermal power project of 840 MW capacity in 4646. SHAI C. SAMBU: Will the Minis- terms of the Indo-Soviet Agreement con- ter of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS cluded at New Delhi in November. 1987. be pleased to state: However, there was no stipulation to the effect that this cred~ would be utilised spe- (a) whether there is any proposal to cifically for a thermal power project to be start second oil refinery in Andhra Pradesh located in West Bengal. A project will be besides Visakhapatnam; identified. keeping in view. inter alia. the capacity induction plans, regional power (b) if so, the details thereof; and requirement, and other techno-economic considerations. (c) if not, the reasons therefor? Global Tender for Import of Cable THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE by OESU MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS (SHRIBRAHM DUn): (a) to (c). 4649. SHRI SANATKUMAR MANDALz At present there is no proposal to set up a Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to second Oil Refinery in Andhra Pradesh. state: However. a Working Group has been constituted for formulation of Eighth Plan which (a) whether the Delhi Electric Supply would make appropriate recommendation Undertaking had floated global tenders for forcreation of new refining capacity, if any, in the import of 220 KV .XLPE cables of 45 km. the country. length;

Clearamce of Thermal Power Project (b) if so, the estimated cost thereof in Funded by USSR In West Bengal terms of foreign exchange;

(c) the use to which these cables will be 4648. SHRISANATKUMARMANDAL: put to; and Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: (d) the name of the foreign company which has been awarded the contract for the (a) whether Government have taken a supply? decision on the clearance of a 840 MW capacity thermal power project to be located THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE in West Bengal with soviet assistance under DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- the terms of the Indo·soviet agreement of TRY OF EN ERGY (SHR I KALP NA TH RAI): November, 1987. (a) and (b). A press tender was floated by the 233 Written AnSftl'S CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnSW9IS 234

DESU for the procurement of 45 Km. length (b) whether this ratio is maintained in aI of 220 KV XLPE cable. The estimated cost in the villages; and terms of foreign exchange is between Rs. 25-30 crores. (c) if not, the villages where the prescribed ratio is not maintained and the action (c) 220 KV XLPE cable is to be laid proposed to be taken by Government to between the J.P. Station Extension and Park provide postamn in all such villages accord- Street Sub-Station. ing to the prescribed ratio?

(d) The tenders have been evaluated THE MINISTER OF STATE IN lliE and are being processed by the DESU for MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI placement of orders. GIRIDHAR GOMANG): (a) to (c). The ratio of postman to population for the country as a Telephone Facilities in Nalgonda whole is 1.1343. This data of postman to District, Andhra Pradesh population for the villages separately is not mai~tained. The posts of postmen are sanc- 4650. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: Will the tioned on the basis of traffic handled and not Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased on the basis of population served. Uniformity to state: in postman population ration is not maintained in all places over the country. (a) the number of villages in Nalganda district of Andhra Pradesh likely to be pro Gas Grid in Krishna-Godavari vided with telephone facilities during 1989 Basin 90; and 4652. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: (b) the amount allocated for the pur- SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA pose? REDDY:

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION (SHRI NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Three villages. (a) '/ihether there is any proposal to form a gas grid in Andhra Pradesh to make (b) No separate funds are allocated for full use of the abundant gas reserves in the purpose. Funds for these works are met Krishna-Godavari basin, and from the lump sum grant placed at the disposal of Circles. (b) if so, the details thereof?

Postman Population Ratio In THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Villages MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUll): (a) and 4651. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: Will the (b). A pipeline from Narasapurto Kovur has Minister of COMMUN ICATIONS be pleased been constructed for supplying gas to vari- to state: ous consumers. There is no proposal for construction of a gas grid as such; additional (a) the present postman population pipelines would be laid as and when re- ratio for villages in the country; quired. 235 APRIL 4, 1989 Written MsMn 238

OpenIng of Public call OffIcer. and Sub open new pubflc call officers and sub JX* Poat Offlcea In Nalgonda District of offices in Nalgonda district during 1989-90; A_P. and

.4653. SHRI T. BALA GOUO: Will the (c) if so, the details thereof and the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased funds aDocated for the purpose? toatal.:

(a) the number of new public call offices THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and sub post offices opened in Nalgonda MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI district of Andhra Pradesh during 1987-88 GIRIDHARGOMANGO): (a) The number of and 1988-89; new public Call Offices and Sub Post Offices opened in Nalgonda District are given be- (b) whether Government propose to low:

Year 87·88 88-89

1. New Public Call Offices 2 Nil

2. Sub-Post Offices Nil Nil

(b) Yes Sir. rial available there; and

(c) Three Public Call Offices are pro- (c) if so, whether any industrial li- posed to be opened. No separate funds are cencesJ1etters of intent have been issued by allocated for the purpose. Funds for Public Government to establish newsprint factories Cal Offices are met from the lumpsum grant in Orissa to meet the increasing demand? placed Cd the disposal of circles. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE As regards sub Post Offices, One sub- DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- post office is to be opened at Srisailam left OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS· bank Canal (SLBC) Colony, Gandhambar- TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) igudarn (Nalgonda) in 1989-90. The budget There is no unit in the State of Orissa en· allocation of Postal circles for 1989-90 have gaged in manufacture of newsprint at pres- not yet been finalised. ent.

Newsprint factories in Orissa (b) There are four large/medium paper mills in the State of Orissa, which are mainly 4654. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will based on forest raw materials. Exact infor- the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to mation about the availability of forest-based state: or other raw materials on a sustained basis to support a newsprint factory in Orissa is not (a) the number of newsprint factories in available. Orissa at present; (c) A Letter of Intent was granted in (b) whether there is plenty of raw mate- April, 1984 to a Non-Resident Indian for 237 CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) Written AnsW9IS 238 establishment 01 a new undertaking in the [ Translati:m] State of Orissa for manufacture of newsprint Medical Check Up of Coal MInes and wriing and printing paper for an annual capacity of 50,000 tonnes. based on utilisa- 4656. SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD: tion of imported newspaper-wastes. The SHRIMATI MANORAMA letter of Intent lapsed in April. 1986. SINGH:

Wage Agreements in Public Sector Will the Minister of ENERGY be Undertakings pleased to state:

4655. SHAI S.M. GURADDI: (a) whether there are regu~r and SHAIMATI BASAVARAJES- adequate arrangements for medical check- WARI: up of coal miners; and SHAI S.B. SIDNAl: (b) if not, the steps Government pr0- WiH the Minister of INDUSTRY be pose to take in this regard? pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR COAL (a) Whether the INTUC working (SHRI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF): (a) Yes. Committee has threatened direct action and Sir. There are 77 hospitals, with 4,533 beds to go to indefinite strike if the wage agree- 417 dispensaries and 1,241 medical officers ments in public sector undertakings are not in Coal India Umited companies. In addition. finalised immediately; and there are 200 medical specialists to offef specialised treatment in fields, like, oncol- (b) If so, the steps taken/proposed to be ogy, cardiology, opthalmology etc. During taken by Union government in this regard? the last five (upto June, 1988), more than 2,52,814 workers of underground mines and THE MINISTER OF INDUSTAY (SHRI 51,286 working on surface and in opencast J. VENGAl RAO): (a) The INruC Working mines were examined. Committee in a Resolution adopted on 30.1.1989 called upon the Government to (b) Do not arise. take immediate steps to ensure the finalisation of the wage agreements without further [Eng/ish] delay failing which the INTUC will be constrained to give a call to its affiliated unions Scheme to review the working of to take direct action. Whether the contem- Monopolies and Restrictive Trade plated direct action includes indefinite strike Practices Act. is not known. 4657. SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL: WiU the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (b) Government have already laid down a Wage Policy and the management of (a) the number of cases referred to public sector enterprises and the workers Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices have to finalise wage settlements within the Commission during 1988; parameters of the wage policy bilaterally. However, Government have also empha- (b) the names of big industrial houses sised the need for the PSUs to finalise the that have been referred to MRTP Commis- Wage Settlements quickly. sion during last five years and with what Written Answers APRil 4, 1989 Written Answers 240

results; (d) and (e). Does not arise in view of (C) above. (c) whether multinational companies in collaboration with many monopoly houses Taking over of companies by Big are hitting the provisions of Monopolies and Business Houses Restrictive Trade Practices Act; 4658. SHRI VIJAY N. PATll: Witlthe (d) if so, whether Government have any Mmister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Scheme to revie~ the working of Monopo- lies and Restrictive Trade Practices Act; and (a) whether attention of Government has been drawn to the scramble of a few big (e) If not, the reasons thereof? business houses to take over yarious con-

cern~; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- (b) If so, the number of companies OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- taken over by big business houses during TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) Nil. 1988,

(b) During the period from 1.1.84 to (c) whether the take over is according to 31.3.89, two references were made by the the Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Prac- Central Government to the MRTP Commis- tices Act; and sion. While one reference was under Sec- tion 22(3) (b) of the MATP Act, 1969 relating (d) if so, the steps Government are to the application of Mis Hindustan Dorr- taking to check the growing tendency of a Oliver Ltd. forthe manufacture of glass lined few big houses or take over of large number equipments, the other was regarding preva- of companies? lence of monopolistic trade practices in safety razor blades industry in India in terms of Section 31 (1) of the Act. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MIN ISTRY OF INDUS- The case relating to MIs Hindustan TRY (SHAI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) to (c). Dorr-Oliver Ltd. was closed as the applicant 'Take-over' as contemplated in Section company subseque_ntly withdrew the appli- 23(4) of the MATP Act, 1969, requires that cation. In the other case, the Commission every owner of an undertaking to which Part has not been able to proceed with the A of Chapter III of the said Act applies shall, enquiry because of the stay granted by the before effecting take-over of any other High Court at Bombay in favour of the peti- undertaking, obtain approval of Central tioners- T.T. Blades and another. Government by making an application in the prescribed 1orm. The Central Government approved 25 such applications during 1988. (c) Proposals of companies registered under the MRTP Act either for substantial expansion or for setting up of new units (d) The MRTP Act, 1969 already _con- involve in foreign collaboration are subject to tains provisions in Sections 23(4) and 28 to the provisions of the MRTP Act. Any non- regulate the take-overs. and Section 46 of compliance in this regard attracts penal the Act also provides for penalty for contra- provisions contained in the Act. vention of these provisions. 241 Wrilt9IJ AnsW9l'S CHAITRA 14, 1911 (sAKA) Written AnsW91S 242

Production Targets for BOlk Drugs to set up any Central Public Sector Under- takings in Andhra Pradesh in the remaining 4659. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: period of the Seventh Five Year Plan. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (b) Does not arise.

(a) whether the target set in the Sev· [ Translation] enth Plan tor the production of bulk drugs and formulations has been achieved; Conversion of Ayodhya Telephone Exchange Into an Electronic Exchange (b) if so, full details thereof; 4661. SHRI NIRMAL KHAITRI: Will (c) if not, the reasons therefor; and the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (d) the progress made in developing indigenous technology for the manufacture (a) the time by which Ayodhya (U.P.) of various drugs and formulations as also the telephone exchan~!?I is likely to be converted I~e saving drugs from basic stages? into an electronic exchange; and

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI (b) the proposed capacity thereof? J. VENGAl RAO): (a) to (c). No, Sir. The main reason for shortfall in production in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE case of several ~ems was due to the fact that MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI demand did not pick up as was anticipated. GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) and (b). An electronic exchange of 200 lines capacity is (d) The country has developed technol· planned to be commissioned at Ayodhya ogy for production of a wide variety of bulk during 1989-90. drugs and formulations. A large number of drugs such as Dapsone, Aspirin, PAS and its [English] Salts Chloramphenicol, Ibuprofen, Tri- methoprim etc. are produced from basic Sound and Light Programme of stage. 'Ramkatha'

Setting up of Industries in Public 4662. SHRI NIRMAL KHA TTRI: Will Sector In Andhra Pradesh the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: 4660. SHRI P. PENCHALLlAH: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to (a) whether a Sound and Light pro- state: gramme on the script of 'Ramkatha" is proposed to be prepared; (a) whether there is any proposal to set up industries in the central public sector in (b) if so, the details thereof; and Andhra Pradesh; and (c) whether Government propose to (b) if so, the details thereof? play it in Ayodhya also?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI THE MINISTER OF PA~LIAMEN J. VENGAL RAO): (a) There is no proposal TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- APRI. 4.1989

FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (b) A statement is laid on the Table of (SHRI H.K.L BHAGAT): (a) A Sound & the House. Ught programme on 'Ramcharitmanas' is already availabje with Song & Drama Divi- (c) There is no such proposal Under sion. consideration at present STATEMENT

Details of the Sound and Ught programme 'Ramcharitmans

1. Script By Shri B. Narayan based on 'Ramcharit MaRas' written by Tulsi Das

2. Duration of the programme 2 hours 10 minutes

13. Contents of the programme It starts from Ram Janam and ends Raj Tilak

4. Total artists participated in the 125 artists performance

5. Number of platforms 14 Nos.

8. Electrical load required for 100 K. Watt in 3 phase. the performance.

7. Area required for erection of 300 Sq. metres approximately. pjatforms, light & sound booths green rooms, workshop & Stores etc:

[ Translatbn) refined indigenously during the period;

Increase In Refining capacHy (c) whether a time bound scheme to achieve this target has been formulated; 4663. SHRI BALWANT SINGH RA- MOOWALIA: (d) if so. the details thereof; and SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: (e) the refining capacity during the year Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 1988-89 and the percentage of oil actually NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: refined in the country?

(a) whether the refining capacity of oil THE MINISTER OF STATE OF me produced in the country is proposed to be MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NA ru- b::reased by the end of Eighth Five Year RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUll): (a) and Plan; ~). Yes, Sir, It is proposed to refine the indigenously produced crudes entirely a1 (b) if so, the percentage of oil likely to be indigenous refineries. 245 CHAfTRA 14, 1911 (SAKA)

(c)al)dtd). In order to meet the increas- Setting Up of Refinery In Aaum ing demand of petroleum products in future years. I is plamed to install three new grass 4665. SHRI BHAORESWAR TANTl: root refineries at Kamal, Mangalore and Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND Assam of 6.0 MTPA. 3.0 MTPA and 2.0 NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: MTPA respectively. (a) whether Assam Government has (e) The refining capacity as on oj .4.1988 requested Union Government to set up a 3 was 48.70 MTPA including 2 MTPA swing million tonnes refinery with Naptha Cracking capacity at HPCL, Bombay refinery. It is facilities; and expected to achieve capacity utilisation of 99.8% by processing 48.60 million tonnes of (b) if so, the decision taken thereon? indigenous and imported crude oil during 1988-89. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF ntE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- [English) RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) Yes, Sir.

Setting up of Tool Rooms in Assam (b) It has been agreed to set up a new grass root refinery in Assam of 2 MTPA capacity with provision to increase it to 3 4664. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: MTPA subject to availability of crude oil in Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to Assam. state: Installation of Computerised Mall (a) whether Government have taken sorting Machines In Metropolitan cities any decision for setting up tool rooms at Guwahati in Assam; 4666. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANT1: SHRI GOPAL KRISHNA (b) if so, the details thereof and what THOTA: would be the financial implications; and Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- (c) if not, the reasons therefor? TIONS be pleased to state:

(a) whether highly sophisticated com- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE puterised mechanical mail sorting machines DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- are proposed to be installed in the metropoli- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- tan cities; and TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): {a} and (b). A Mini Tool Room is being set up by the (b) if so, the details thereof, including National Small Industries Corporation ltd. at their cost, capacity and the source of sup- the~ Demonstration-cum-Training Centre at ply? Guwahati. The building of the Centre is aImoslleady and an expenditure of As. 30 Iakhs appro.¥imately has been incurred for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN lHE plant and equipment for the Mini Tool Room. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. to (c) Does not arise. start with in south Bombay. 247 Wrlltsn Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 248

(b) The mail mechanisation project will for telegraph traffic. consist of letter sorting machines, coding desks stamp ooncelling machines and con- (b) 462 new telephone oonnections veyors for bags and letters. The process of during 1987-88 and 237 during 1988-89 atomated sorting may be done in two stages (upto 28.2.1989) were provided in i.e. reading of post code and converting into Guwahati. bar code which will be followed b~ sorting in the letters sorting machines on the basis of (c) As on 28.2.89, there were 6102 bar code. The coding operation is expected applicants on the waiting list for telephones. to achieve an output of 2,000 to 3,000 articles per hour and the final sorting at the rate Power Projects in Rajasthan of 30,000 articles per hour. The total project may cost Rs. 16.91 crores, including cus- 4668. SHRI VISHNU MODI: Will the toms duty. The machinery is to be imported Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: and the source of supply will be determined after global tenders are finalised. (a) whether according to the survey conducted by the Central Electricity Author· New Telephone Connections in ity, Rajasthan is likely to face acute power Guwahatl shortage by the end of the Eighth Five Year Plan; 4667. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATION be (b) if so, whether Rajasthan Govern- pleased to state: ment has submitted any proposals for setting up certain power projects in the State; (a) the details of the existing telecom- and munication system in Guwahati; (c) if so, the details thereof and when (b) the number of new telephones in- these are like to be approved by Union stalled in 1987-88 and 1988-89; and Government?

(c) the number of applications on the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE waiting list? DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS· TRYOFENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) According to the 13th Electric Power MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Survey of India, Rajasthan is like1y to face a GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Guwahati is a peaking deficit of about 41 % and energy minortelephonedistric1 having a (i) 9000 line deficit of about 35% at the end of the Eighth MAX-I exchange with 8071 Direct Exchange Plan period. lines (DEL) and (ii) 2500 lines MAX-II exchanges with 2148 Direct Exchange Lines as on 28.2.89. It has an electronic telex (b) and (c). The present status of tha exchange of 500 lines. The city is well proposals received in Central Electricity connected to the National Transmission Authority (CEA) from the .State Government Network and has direct dial6ng-both national for setting up of power projects in Rajasthan and intemational. h has a eTa and 2 DTOs is given below. 249 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 250

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zo Ci) 251 Wrilt9n AnSW9fS APRil 4, 1989 Written Answers 252

[ Translation] two (32) in 1990-91.

Setting up of Telephone Exchanges [English] and Public Call Offices In Almora District Posf and Telegraph Offices In Rented Buildings 4669. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Willthe Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 4670. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Wilt to state: the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (a) the number of telephone exchanges and Public Call Offices in Almora district of (a) whether a large number of Post and Uttar Pradesh; Telegraph Offices are functioning in Private buildings on rental basis; (b) whether most of the Public Call Offices are s~uated at a distance of more (b) whether a large number of cases for than 10 kms from each other; and vacating the buildings/premises rented for the Post and Telegraph Offices fare pending (c) if so, whether more telephone ex- in different courts; if so, their number, State- changes and Public Call Offices are pro- wise; and posed to be opened in the district, the details thereof? (c) what is the Government's policy in regard to construction of their own buildings THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE for the Post and Telegraph Offices in the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI country and particularly in Orissa? GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) At present there are 27 telephone exchanges, 48 public call offices and 53 Long Distance Public THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Telephones in Almora Distt. of Uttar MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Pradesh. GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Yes Sir, most of the long distance (b) Several cases for vacating the build- public telephones are more than 10 kms. ing/premises rented for the Post Offices are apart. pending in different courts. State-wise number is given in statement-I for the Depart- (c) Yes Sir. ment of Posts and the information for the Department of Telecom. is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (i) More telephone exchanges on existance of minimum paid demand as per liberalised policy (c) The present policy of the Depart- of the department. ment of Posts in regard to construction of departmental building is given in statement- II below and the policy of the Department of (ii) lDPTs proposed to be opened Telecom. for construction of Telegraph Of- are 1 (one) in 1989-90 and Thirty fices is given in statement-III below. Written Answers CHAITRA 14.1911 (SAKA) Written Answets 254

STATEMENT-I

List 01 Cases Pending in Different Courts for Vacating Post Offices BuildingslPremises- State wise

51. No. Name of State Number of cases

2 3

1. Andhra Pradesh 30

2. Arunachal Pradesh

3. Assam

4. Bihar 2S

5. Goa 2

6. Gujarat 47

7. Haryana 15

B. Himachal Pradesh 3

9. Jammu & Kashmir

10. Karnataka 23

11. Kerala 7

12. Madhya Pradesh 65

13. Maharashtra 58

14. Manipur

15. Meghalaya

16. Mizoram

17. Nagaland

'B. Orissa 5

'9. Punjab 12

20. Rajasthan 42 255 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 256

1 2 3

21. Sikkim

22. Tamil Nadu 51

23. Tripura

24. Uttar Pradesh 67

25. West Bengal 6

Total: 460·

'provisional.

STATEMENT-II The same policy applies for the whole . Policy of the Department of Posts in country including Orissa State. regard to construction of departmental buildings STATEMENT-Ill

While determining inter-se priority for Policy of the Department of Telecom. in construction of departmental buildings, the regard to construction of departmental following factors are generally taken into buildings consideration:- In view of lack of funds and to avoid I. Whether the office is situated in blocking of capital, certain guidelines were high rental areas; issued vide letter no. 501-10/87-TPS (BT) dated 5.9.85 (copy enclosed) relating to 11. Large operative buildings like renting of buildings for departmental ex- Head Post Offices, Postal changes, telegraph and administrative of- Stores Depots, Mail Motor Serv- fices. ice garages/workshops etc. and large administrative offices like Accordingly all DTOs and Administra- PMG's offices etc. are generally tive offices shall be housed in rented build- given over-riding priority in con- ings and departmental buildings may not be struction. constructed for them for the present.

Ill. Operative buildings for small However in relaxation of these guide- Post Offices. The building policy lines if it is felt that any building should be is subject to constraints viz:- constructed, the case shall be referred to and deared by the Head of the CirclelTele- (i) The availability of lands, phone district personally for all cases within. and his powers. Cases beyond the powers of Heads of Circles and districts shall be re- (ii) Availability of funds. ferred to this offices (Telecom. Directorate). 257 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 258

No. 501-10/81-TPS (BT) 3. While it may be difficult to secure build- Government of India ings for MAX-I installations, efforts may be Ministry of Communications made to secure suitable buildings in these Department of Telecommunications cases also particularly in the mullistoried Sanchar Bhawan, New Delhi-11 0001. office/commercial complexes in major cities at present served by the major and metro telephone districts. Dated: 5-9-1985 4. In the light of above decisions, the fol- To lowing guidelines may be followed by Heads of Circles and Districts in processing build- All Heads of Telecom. Circles/Districts ing cases for departmental exchanges, DTOs and administrative offices:- Sub: Renting of buildings for departmental exchanges,Telegraph and Adminis- i) all exchanges of MAX-II, MAX-III trative Offices .: and manual type shall be housed, as far as possible, in The Planning Commission has fixed an rented buildings and no depart- allocation of Rs. 401 0 crores forthe Seventh mental buildings be constructed Five Year Plan of the Department as against for the time being for these ex- our original requirement of Rs. 12,500 changes except where such crores. This has necessitated a review of our construction is already in prog- entire strategy for creation of various assets ress or has been processed to for provi9ing different services. It is neces- an advanced stage. sary that the funds available should be utilised to the maximum advantage on works ii) all DTOs and administrative of- which can be handled by department alone. fices shall also be housed in We must make maximum use of facilities rented buildings and departmen- which can be leased or rented out and will tal buildings may not be con- not therefore, require investment of source structed for them for the present. capital resources. '0 iii) In case of MAX-I exchanges, 2. Buildings for various departmental in- departmental construction may stallations are one such assetlfacility which ·be undertaken for the main ex- could be secured with advantage on lease or change and Transmission rent basis. It has accordingly been decided Centre in every city. However, in that every effort be made to secure suitable case of large cities (major and rented/leased buildings for all MAX-II, MAX- metro Telephone Districts) Ill, manual exchanges and DTOs and ad- where large multistoried/com- ministrative offices. Suitable negotiations mercial buildings are being con- may be opened with prospective builders structed, efforts may be made to who may be prepared to construct buildings secure suitable floors for ex- as per our requirement and give them to us changes & RLU's; on long term lease almost in perpetuity. As an incentive for securing buildings on long Schedule of accommodation for taking term lease suitable provision could be made the buildings on rent should not exceed the in the lease agreement for periodical review norms as indicated in this office circulars and increase of rental from time to time. mentioned below: 259 Writt9IJ Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written AnswetS 260

a) 482-6/81-TPS (BG) dt 28.7.83 (a) the number of TV studios so far (for MAX·'''' established in the country and their location and b) 482·3nS-TPS (BG)/pt. dt. 11.4.84 (for MAX-II) (b) whether there is any proposal to establish more TV studios in the country; d c) 151·11f73-TPS (CP) dt. 7.3.74 so, the names of the places and when these (for DTOs. CTOs) are likely to be established?

d) 461-3Sm-TPS (00) dt. 13.4.82 THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- (for administrative bldgs) TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN· FORMATION AND BROADCASTING In relaxation of these guidelines ~ it is (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) TV Programme felt that a building should be constructed, the Production Facilities are. at present avail· case shall be referred to and cleared by the able at the follOWing 18 places:- Head of CirclelTelephone District personally for all cases within his powers. Cases be- 1. Ahmedabad yond the powers of Heads of Circles and Districts shall be referred to this office. 2. Bombay

This issues with the concurrence of 3. Bangalore Finance U.O. No. 1126·FA1I185fT dated 28.8.85. 4. Cuttack.

Receipt of this letter may please be 5. Calcutta acknowledged to DOG (S). 6. Deihl Sd/- 7. Gorakhpur (O.K. Sangal) 8. Guwahati Member (TO) 9. Hyderabac Copy to: 10. Jaipur 1. All Dy. Directors General in the Deptt. of Telecom. 11. Jalandhar

2. DOG (EF) I DOG (PF) 12. Lucknow

58«lng up of T.V. Studios 13. Madras

4671. SHRt CHINTAMANI JENA: 14. Nagpur SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: SHAI HARIHAR SOREN: 15. Rajkot

wm the Minister of INFORMATION AND uHOAOCASTING be pleased to stale: ~6. Ranchi 261 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 281

17. Srinagar 19. Panaji

18. Trivandrum. 20. Patna

(b) Besides augmentation of the Pro- 21. Pondicherry gramme Production Facilities at Guwahati, Ranchi, Rajkot, Srinagar, Bombay, Madras, 22. Port Blair Calcutta and Delhi, new PrograrT'me Pro- duction Centres are proposed to be set up at 23. Pune the following 30 (thirty) places:- 24. Raipur 1. Agartala 25. Shillong 2. Aizawl 26. Shimla 3. Allahabad 27. Silchar 4. Bareilly 28. Siliguri 5. BhopaJ 29. Tura 6. Bhubaneshwar 30. Vijayawada 7. Chandigarh Implementation of these projects would 8. Daltonganj depend on availability of infrastructural facilities and allocation of resources in the Annual 9. Dibrugarh Plans of Doordarshan.

10. Gangtok Review of R&D Programme In Petro- leum Sector 11. Gulbarga 4672. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: 12. Haryana (location Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND to be decided) NATURAL GAS be pleased to state:

13. Imphal (a) whether a teview was carried out of Research and Development programme in 14. ttanagar Petroleum Sector in the Sixth Plan and it was proposed to strengthen the existing insti- 15. Jammu tutes and increase effCJrts in the areas considered deficient in the light of the review; 16. Kohima (b) if so, the details of steps taken in that 17. Madurai direction including the progress made in the R&D programme; and

18. Mazaffarpur (c) whether any survey has been car- 263 Writt9n Answ9rs APRIL 4, 1989 Writt9n AnsW813 264 ned out in the Seventh Plan or is proposed in Public Sedor Undertakings in the Oil Sector Eighth Plan to strengthen the institutes to and the other concerned agencies for im- such an extent that the country becomes plementation of those recommendations self-sufficient in petroleum sector? which were accepted.

THE MINISTER OF 5TATE OF THE Further, the two ScientifIC Advisory MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- Committees of the :w1inistry namely, the Sci- RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUn): (a) to (c). entific Advisory Committee relating to proc- Research and Development is a continuous essing of hydrocarbons, and the Scientific process and most of the oil companies have Advisory Committee for Geo-Sciences, re- their own in-house R&D units and their pro- v iew the various R& D Programmes in the Oil grammes are reviewed from time to time by Sector from time to time and their recom- their management. mendations are taken up for implementation by the oil companies. ONGC has set up five research institutes i.e. KD Malaviya Institute of Petroleum To assess the futuristic requirements, Exploration, Dehradun; Institute of Drilling acquire. develop and adopt technologies in Technology, Dehradun; Institute of Reser- the field of refinery processes, petroleum voir Studies, Ahmedabad; Institute of Engi- products including lubricants and additives neering and Ocean Development and Insti- and th8ir application, storage, handling and tute of Production Technology at Bombay. transportation of crude oil. products and gas They are also setting up an Institute of Petro- and work relating to modernisation of tech- leum Safety & Environment at Goa. IOC has nologies the Centre for High Technology a separate R&D Centre at Faridabad. Engi- was established in May, 1987. This Centre neers India Ltd., and IBP Co. have set up WOUld, their R&D Centres near Gurgaon in Hary- ana. (a) develop detailed programmes of work In the gaps identif led by the A High-Powered Review Committee for High Powered Committee and assessment of research potential in the field extend financial assistance to of petroleum was set up in December, 1983 the projects recommended by under the chairmanship of Or. G.S. Sidhu, the ScientifiC Advisory Commit- former Director General of Council of SCien- tee and monitor their progress. tific and Industnal Research to identify the gaps in the research effort, where fresh effort (b) develop effective linkage be- ~~t?uld be made or existing arrangements tween the laboratories, user strengthened and to make suitable recom- organisations and the design mendations. organisations. The Report of the Committee was con· While all these eHorts are geared to sidered in the Ministry of Petroleum & Natu- Increase the country's capabilities, self-suf- ral Gas by the Scientific Advisory Comm ittee ficiency In the petroleum sector does not relating to processing of hydrocarbons, and seem feasible in the foreseabJe future. ScientHic Advisory Committee for Geos- ciences, relating to oil exploration and pro-' Post Offices in Jaunpur District (U.P.) duction. Based on careful consideration. having full regard to the suggestions made 4673. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH by the two Scientific Advisor~1 Committees. Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Government have writ.t,en to' the various pleased to state: 265 Wntt9n Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answ91S 266

(a) the dIStricts In U.P. having the least THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and the htghest percentage of Post OffICes. DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- (b) where does Jaunpur district stand, TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM). (a) No, Sir (c) whether the Post Offices In Jaunpur dlstnct have not been provided With tele- (b) Does not anse phone faCIlity, and Raising Power of Transmitters of (d) d so, the time by which telephone Ongole and Markapuram Radio Sta- faCIlity will be prOVided In these post offices? tions in A.P.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4675 SHRI C SAMBU Will the MiniS- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI ter of INFORMATION AND BROADCAST- GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) (a) and (b) The ING be pleased to state information IS being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House (a) whether there IS any proposal to raise the power of transmitters of Ongole (c) 102 Post offices In Jaunpur district and Markapuram Radio stations 10 Praka- have been prOVided With telephone faCIlity sam district of Andhra Pradesh which have low power transmitters at present, and (d) Poltcy of the Department IS to provide telecom faCIlity Within about 5 Kms of (b) If so, the steps taken so far In thiS every Inhabited place For thiS purpose, the regard? country has been diVided mto hexagons of 5 Kms sides each and a prinCipal village pref- THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- erably a Gram Panchayat headquarter In It is TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- earmarked for prOViding telecom faCIlity FORMATION AND BROADCASTING progressively ThiS faCIlity can be prOVided (SHRIH K L BHAGAT) (a) At present there Inthe post offICe or at Grocer Shop etc which IS no RadIo Station eXisting either at Ongole ever IS most SUitable or Markapuram In Prakasham district of Andhra Pradesh However, the approved ThiS policy IS applicable In case of Jaun- 7th Plan Includes a scheme for setting up a pur district also radiO station With 2x3 KW FM transmitters, multi-purpose studiOS etc at Markapuram Afforestation plantation for paper Industry (b) Does not anse

4674 SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH Settang up of Wind Electric Generator In Will the Mlntster of INDUSTRY be pleased to Kerala state 4676 SHRI MULlAPPALL Y RAMA- (a) whether there was a proposal for CHANDRAN Will the Minister of ENERGY underta}ung a programme of afforestation be pleased to state plantation to supply raw matenal to the paper (a) whether any Wind electriC genera- Industry on long term baSIS, and tors have been set up In Kerala.

(b) If so, the progress made so far? (b) 'f so. the details of their locatIOn and 267' Wr.ilWn AnSWMS APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 268 capacity; (c) The names of public sector undertakings proposed to be made autonomous (c) whether Government propose to set this year? up more wind electric generators along the WutCoast; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). h is the (d) j." the details thereof; Government's policy to grant greater autonomy to public sector undertakings consistent (a' how many units are generatmg with accountability. The Government has power for MOO; and delegated enhanced powers, administrative and financial to public sector undertakings (f) the talaf ~ of energy through who are signing Memorandum of Under- wind electric generators during 1988? standing with the Government.

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI (c) Eighteen public sector undertakings VASANT SATHE): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. A viz. Bharat Yantra Nigam Ltd., Marutj Udyog 100 KW wind electric generator has been ltd., Heavy Engineering Corpn. ltd.~ Bharat installed in December 1988 at Kottamala in Heavy Electricals ltd., HMT Ltd., Stale Palghat district of KeraJa. Trading Corporation ltd., Minerals & Metats Trading Corpn. ltd.• Indian Airfines, Air In- (c) and (d). Awind power capacity of 3.5 dia, Bharat Earth Movers, Bharat Electron- MW is already operational along the west ics ltd., Indian Petrochemicals Corpn. Ltd., CX)st, in the States of Gujarat, Maharashtra, Steet Authority of India ltd., Oil & Natural Goa and Karnataka. A further aggregate Gas Commission, National Thermal Power capacity of about 14 MW is under installation Corpn. Ltd., Coal India ltd., Rashtriya in Gujarat State which according to present Chemicals & Fertilizers ltd., and Indian Oil information, has the best potential along the Corporation Ltd., are to sign MOU for the west coast. year 1989-90.

(e) and (f). At present, the total installed Consumption of Electricity wind farm capacity is 5.85 MW. Nearly 65 lakh units of electricity were fed to the reo 4678. SHAI SHANTILAL PATEL: spective State grids during 1988 from these SHAI S.B. SIONAL: projects. Will the Minister of ENERGY be Autonomy to Public Sector Undertak- pleased to state: Ings (a) whether the State Electricity Boards 4677. SHRt MULLAPPALL Y RAMA- have been called for efficient use of electric- CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of INDUS- ity in order to tide over the power deficit; TRY be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to (b) whether the consumption of elec- grant full autonomy to certain public sector tricity in India is double as compared to undertakings; Japan; and

(b) if so, the details of steps initiated in (c) if so, the details of programme this regard; and chalked ou1 for efficient use of electricity? 269 Written Answers CHAfTRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answe/S 270

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [ Translation] DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NA TH RAI): Supplr of Contract forms for AdverUu- (a) Yes. Sir. The Stale Electricity Boards ments to Hindi Newspaper. have been requested to take steps for conservation and efficient use of electricity. 4680. SHRI SAlAHUOOIN: WAIl the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD- (b) The consumption of electricity per CASTING be pleased to state: unit of produdion in certain industrial sedors in India is considerably more as compared to (a) whether the questionnaire for con- that in Japan. tract forms and advertisements orders which used to be sent in Hindi by the Directorate of (c) The programme for efficient use of Advertising and Visual Publicity to Hindi electricity envisages fixation of targets for newspapers and magazines being pub- reduction in specific energy consumption, lished from the Hindi speaking States are training programmes, energy audits, aware- now being sent to them in English; ness campaign, standardisation of electric appliances, grant of fiscal incentives on (b) if so, whether it conforms to the energy saving devices, and demonstration provisions of the Official Languages Act, projects on rectification of inefficient agricul- 1963; and tural pumpsets etc. (c) if not, the reasons for not complying Gas-based Power Plant In Tripura with the provisions?

4679. SHRt SHANTILAL PATEL: THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU: TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- FORMATION AND BROADCASTING Will the Minister of ENERGY be (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) to (c). Hindi pleased to state: newspapers/journals applying for empanelment for the first time are given media par- (a) whether Union Government have ticular forms/questionnaire in Hindi by signed an agreement with the French Gov- DAVP. However, in the cases involving a ernment for setting up a gas based power renewal of contract the requisite application plant in Tripura; and form and the contract form are presently (b) if so, the details thereof? being given in English only because of unavoidable technical reasons due to com- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE puterisation. Action has already been initi- DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- ated to make available these documents TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): also in Hindi in computerised format to the (a) and (b). A contract has been signed Hindi newspapersfJournals. between the Government of Tripura and M/ s. Hispano-Suiza of France for an amount [English] of FF 27,644.258/- for the supply of and services for the 1 x 9250 KW gas turbine (3rd LPG Agencies in Kerala Unit) at Baramura, Tripura, under the Indo- French Protocol for the year 1983-84 which 4681. SHRI K. KUNJAMBU: Will the provides for an equal mix of soft credit and Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL export credit. GAS be pleased to state: 271 Writtsn Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 272

(a) the number of LPG agencies at (d) if so, the steps being taken by present in Kerala; Governmen.t in this regard?

(b) the number of agencies forwarded THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes; TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (c) the number of agencies planned 10 (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) Farm and be awarded in Kerala this year; and Home Units in All India Radio were first established in 1966. (d) the number of such agencies earmarked for Scheduled Castes and Sched- (b) Seventy-seven. uled Tribes? (c) and (d). Farm Radio Officers are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 1 HE presently eligible for promotion to one post of MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NA TU- JOint Director {Farm & Home}. However, a RAl GAS (SHRI BRAHMA DUTT): (a) and provisIon has been made in the propo5ed (b). There are at present 137 LPG distribu- Indian Broadcasting (Programme) Service torships in the State of Kerala, out of whIch to amalgamate the cadre of Farm Radio 31 belong to 'SC/ST categories. Officers with that of Programme Executive to provide them better promotional avenues. (c) and (d). In addItion to the above, the oil industry has planned, upto its Annual Selection grade for A.I.R. Farm Radio Marketing Plan 1988-a9, to establish 47 Officers more distributorships in Kerala, out of which 11 have been earmarked for candidates 4683. SHRI B.B. RAMAIAH: under 'SC/ST' categories. SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- WARA RAO: Promotional Avenues for Farm Radio Officers Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

4682. SHRI B.B. RAMAIAH: (a) the cadres of programme officers SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- that are given benefits of selection grade; WARA RAO: (b) the reason for not extending the Will the Minister of INFORMATION benefit of selection grade to the Farm Radio AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: officers and Family Welfare Extension officers who are also the programme officers in \ (a) when the Farm and House Radio practice; and Section was started in Akashvani programmes; (c) the steps being taken to give selection grade to all such Farm Radio officers (b) the number of farm radio officers and Family Welfare Extension officers who working in this section as on date; have completed 14 years service in their respective grades? (c) whether there are no promotional avenues forthis cadre of employeec; working THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- for more than 15 years; and TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- 273 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 274

FORMATION AND BROADC~STING (a) whether a big hydro electric power (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAn: (a) After implem- project in Northern Region is in the offing; entation of the IV Central Pay Commission recommendations, all non-functional Selec- (b) ff so, the location and the other tion Grades in the Programme cadres of AIR details thereof; as well stand abolished. (c) the total estimated cost of the project (b) and (c). In view of (a) above, the and the time by which it is likely to start question of extending the benefit of non- producing electricity; and functional selection grade to the Farm Radio Officers and Extension Officers in All India (d) whether the World Bank has sanc- Radio does not arise. tioned a loan for construction of its structure and if so, the details thereof including the Electrification of Narwana Cooperative terms on which the loan has been agreed to? Group Housing Society Complex Delhi THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4685. SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA: DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): refer to the reply given on 30 August, 1988 to (a) to (d), Nathpa Jhakri Hydroelectric Proj- Unstarred Question 4243 regarding electrifi- ect, with an installed capacity of 1500 M.W., cation of Narwana Cooperativ9 Group located in Kinnaur and Shimla districts of Housing Society in Patparganj area and Himachal Pradesh has been sanctioned for state: execution as a joint venture of the Govern- ment of India and Government of Himachal (a) the progress made so far with re- Pradesh. The total cost of the generation gard to internal electrification there; and project is Rs. 1472 Crores. The Project is expected to yield benefits in the Ninth Five (b) the time by which DESU will be able Year Plan. The World Bank has agreed to to complete the remaining electrification finance the Nathpa Jhakri Hydroelectric work and supply of electricity to the Society? Project to the extent of US $ 444 Million, for which a formal agreement with detailed THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE terms and conditions, is to be concluded. DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): [ Translation] (a) and (b). 85% work of electrification including construction of the sub-station, in Construction of Bhel Paharl Dam by the Colony of Narwana Cooperative Group D.V.C. Housing Society is complete. The balance electrification work is expected to be com- 4687. SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD: Will ' pleted by 30th April, 1989. Thereafter, per- the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: manent electric connections can be taken by the prospective consumers on completion of (a) whetherthe Damodar Valley Corpo- usual commercial formalities. ration has conducted a survey to construct World Bank Loan for Hydel Power Shel Pahari Dam in Girdih district of Bihar; if Project so, the details thereof; and

4686, SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Will the (b) the action taken by D. V.C. so far and Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: the time by which it is proposed to complete 275 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written AnSWBf~ 276 the construction of this dam? [English]

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Costs of Generation/Supply of Power DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRJ KALP NATH RAI): 4688. DR. A.K. PATEL: Will the Minis- (a) and (b). The Damodar Valley Corpora- ter of ENERGY be pleased to state: tion (OVC) had conduded topographical survey of the catchment area, geo-technical (a) the average costs of generation/ and soil investigatiQn and hydrological stud- supply ot electricity in various States at pres- ies in connedion with the preparation of a ent; and detailed project feasibility report for Bal- pahari Dam. The proposed dam would augment flood storage capac~y. provide in- (b) the average a~ricultural tariffs, creased water for irrigation. industrial and State-wise? domestic purposes. and have potential for hydro power generation of 20 MW capacity. The participating State Governments of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Bihar and West Bengal, to whom the Project DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- Feasibility Report had been sent by DVe, TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): have not conveyed their concurrence to the (a) and (b). The details are given in the projed proposal. statement below. STATEMENT

State-wise estimated average cost of generation/supply of electricity and average agricultural tariffs as on 31.3.1989.

SI. No. Name of the State Average cost of generation/ Average agricultural supply tariff (5 HP, 10% L.F. (Pslkwh) 272 Kwh/Month) (Pslkwh)

1 2 3

1. Andhra Pradesh 64.52 9.50

2. Bihar 126.35 36.00

3. Gujarat 108.63 17.65

4. Haryana 84.56 37.35

5. Himachal Pradesh 119.79 21.94

6. Karnataka 81.7.4 11.49 (a) 13.79 (b)

7. Kerala 73.36 15.22 271 Written Answers CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 278

1 2 3

8. Madhya Pradesh 90.02 16.00

9. Maharashtra 91.73 15.32

10. Orissa 83.25 24.06

11. Punjab 98.40 13.50

12. Rajasthan 92.42 33.00

13. Tamil Nadu . 86.14 11.49

14. Uttar Pradesh 103.69 41.36

15. West Bengal 123.92 35.00

16. Assam 236.83 50.00

17. Meghalaya 85.96 21.00

Note: (a) -with installation of capacitors.

(b) -w~hout installation of capacitors.

Production of Lubricating Oils in (b) Lubricating oils are baing made at Barauni Refinery other refineries in the country.

4689. DR. A.K. PATEL: Will the Minis- Capacity of Barauni Refinery ter of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: 4690. DR. A.K. PATEL: Will the Minis- ter of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS (a) whether the Barauni Refinery was be pleased to state: designed to produce lubricating oils but due to the non-suitability of Assam crude for this (a) whether the Barauni Refinery has purpose lubricating oils are not produced; been operating at below capacity; and (b) if so, the reasons therefor and how (b) if so, whether any study has been it is proposed to utilise the facilities provided made to produce lubricating oils in the coun- there to process crude; try instead of importing it? (c) whether any feasibility report was THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE prepared for increasing the capac~y of the MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- Barauni Refinery; and RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) Yes, Sir. (d) if so, the rate of returr} on the 279 Written Answers APRil 4, 1989 Written Answers 280 investment for the enterprise and the rea- Complaints have been received against MIs. sons for not deciding the refining capacity Nahi dco Housing Private Ltd. regarding expansion? unfair trade practices being indulged by the company and also regarding non refund of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE money to the members who had deposited MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- the money with the company for getting the RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTI): (a) and allotment of Flats. Finding that the firm has (b). Yes, Sir. Owing to lower availability of indulged in unfair trade practice within the Assam crude. The crude oil production from meaning of Section 3,6A of the MRTP Act, the North Eastern sector is expected to in- , 969, the MRTP Commission has instituted crease in future and the Barauni refinery IS enquires and also issued an ad-interim in- expected to receive adequate crude for junction restraining the firm from continuing processing. with the unfair trade practices and from dis- posing of the property which is comprised in (c) and (d). Yes, Sir. A Feasibility NAHIDCO Development Scheme without Report was prepared in 1983 and the rate of settling the claims of those who deposited return was estimated at 17.02% on the in- money with them for taking benefit of the vestment proposed (at December, 1982 scheme till further orders. price level) at that time. It was not considered necessary to expand the capachy of Barauni (b) and (c). The total amount of deposits refinery taking into account the availability of as per the applications received in the crude oil. Commission IS Rs. 13,58,812. Sixty three depositors have applied for compensation Refund by Private Housing Company under Section 12B of the MRTP Act, 1969. The compensation applications will be dis- 4691. DR.A.K.PATEL: Will the Minis- posed of as per the provisions of the MRTP ter of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Act. The Commission, being a quasi-judicial body, is competent to pass appropriate or- (a) the action proposed/initiated ders under the MRTP Act, 1969. against a private housing company which have duped large number of people by swin- Telecast of Malayalam Films dling their large deposits as reported in the Sunday Mail of 18.10.1987; 4692. SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND (b) the number of the depositors, total BROADCASTING be pleased to state: amount of deposits, total interest amount on the deposits as on date, the number of (a) the details of Malayalam films refund applications and deposit amount for shown on the national T.V. hook UP during refund along with interest and the refunds so the post one year; far made; and (b) the criteria for selection of these (c) the steps proposed for the refund to films; the depositors?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE I (c) whether the films to be telecast are I DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- erT1panelled; and OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (SHRt M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) (d) if so, the criteria of empanelment? 281 Wrkten Answers CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Writtsn AnsW9IS 282

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- Festival of IndiaIFilmotsav. TARY AFFAIRS AND THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING For Late Night slots, films of high cene- (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGA T): (a) The information matic value/artistic excellence are selected. is given in the statement below. All the Malayalam films mentioned in the Annexure were selected for telecast on the (b) Doordarshan considers for telecast basis of the above eligibility criteria. in its National Network (on Sunday afternoon) only such regional language feature (c) and (d). On receipt of the offer from films which have won the Best or the Second the producerlTV right holder, all the films Best Awards of the Year (in all languages fulfilling the eligibility criteria, after having combined) or the President's Silver Medal been previewed and graded 'A' at the con- as the Best Film in a regional language or cerned regional Kendra of Doordarshan, are Nargis Dutt Award for National Integration or enlisted for telecast by the Directorate Gen- Indira Gandhi Award for Best First Film of a eral. Doordarshan. While drawing the tele- Director or have been included in the Indian cast schedule. preference is given to the Panorama Section of any International Film latest films. STATEMENT

List of Malaya/am Film Telecast from 1988 till date in the Sunday afternoon slot

FILMS TELECAST DURING 1988

Date of ~/8Cast

1. KANAMARAYATHU 3.1.88

2. CHIDAMBARAM 27.3.88

3. AKKARE 8.5.88

4. KATTATHE KILLIKOODU 24.7.88

5. PURUSHARTHAM 18.9.88

6. VEENAPOOVU 20.11.88

FILMS TELECAST DURING 1989

1. HRITHUBHEDAM 12.2.89

2. THULABHARAM 26.2.89

LlSTOF MALAYALAM FILMS TELECAST IN THE LATE NIGHT SLOT DURING THE YEAR 1988 1. EENAADU 19.8.88 2. IRAKAL 30.12.88 283 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written AnsW8tl 284

OpIning of Telecom Division at Cochln Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state:

4693. SHRI V.S. VLJAYARAGHAVAN: (a) whether Government have reduced Will the Minister of COMMUN ICATIONS be the prices of certain medicines for the treat- pleased to state: ment of TB and leprosy;

(a) whether the Telecom. Division is (b) if so, when and details of the re- proposed to be opened at Cochin; duced prices;

(b) if so, the details thereof; (c) whether the reduced prices have Cc) whether the Calicut Sub-Division is been implemented; and also proposed to be brought under the Tri- vandrum Division; and (d) if not, the steps taken by Govern- (d) if so, the reasons thereof? ment in this regard?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) No, Sir. J. VENGAl RAO): (a)to (d). Consequenton the reduction of price of bulk drug Rifampicin (b) Does not arise. from Rs. 30001- per Kg. to Rs. 2500/- per Kg. revised prices were fixed for various formu- (c) No, Sir. lation packs based on Rifampicin. The details of revised ceiling prices notified on 15th (d) Does not arise. November, 1988 are given in the statement below. The State Government and the State Regarding Price Reduction of Anti T8 Drug Controllers have already been re- and Leprosy Drugs quested to ensure compliance of the drug prices notified by the Central Government 4694. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI: Will the from time to time. Written Answers CHAfTRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Wrftten Answers 286

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Car Telephone in Cities allow the subscribers in case of such heavy and unprecedented bills to pay an average 4695. SHRI HUSSAIN DAlWAI: Will amount of earlier five or SIX months and the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be investigate the matter later on; and pleased to state: • (d) jf not, the reasons therefor? (a) whether the Department of Tele- communications had started allotting car THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE telephones in Delhi; MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GiRIDHAR GdMANGO): (a) Telephone (b) the number of car telephones so far Bills are prepared on the basis of actual calls allotted in Delhi; and recorded in the meters installed in Ex- changes. The ratio of number of complaints (c) which other cities are proposed to be of excessive bills to the bills issued all over ccnsidered for allotment of car telephones? India is about 1%. Complaints may arise due to the following factors:- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (i) clerical errors viz. wrong compu- GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. tations, wrong feeding to Com- puters, wrong transcription of (b) 77 have already been allotted. meter-readings etc.

(c) There is a proposal under consid- (ii) Technical faults viz. meter- erdtion for installing cellular Mobile Radio faults, faulty circuit conditions, Telephone system in Bombay. This is the held up conditions-when line is latest version of mobile telephone system. In not disconnected after STD calls the light of experience gained, Mobile Radio etc. etc. system may be later introduced in other major c~ies in the country. (Iii) The apprehensions of subscribers, when they are not monitor- Complaints of Excess Billing ing their own calls closely. It has been found that 80% of the 4696. SHRI HUSSAIN DAlWAI: Will complaints received are not the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be found to be substantiated by fact pleased to state: on observation of the lines.

(a) the reasons for a large number of (b) to (d). When a complaint regarding complaints from telephone subscribers excess charge is received and such a about highly excessive billing; charge is found to exceed the highest one prevailing during the past six bi-monthly periods by more than 100% at STD stations (b) whether the complaints of exces- and 50% at Non-STD stations, the sub- sive billing are entertained only after full scriber is allowed to pay a split bill for local payment of the excessive b:lls is made by the call charges lim~ed to the average of local subscribers; calls billed in the proceeding six bi-monthly periods plus 10% thereof, and the balance amount is kept in abeyance till the conclu- (c) whether Government propose to sion of the investigations of the complaint. I 291 Written Answers APRil 4, 1989 Written Answers 292

Abolition of licensing System (a) whether automation of Telephone exchange in Kadiri Town of Anantapur Dis- 4697. SHRI S.B. SIDNAl: Will the trict of Andhra Pradesh is being delayed; Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (b) if so, the reasons therefor; when the (a) whether Government propose to automation of this telephone exchange is abolish the licensing system with a view to likely to be taken up and completed; and attract foreign investment in the country; and (b) if so, the details thereof? (c) whether S.T.D. facility will also be provided there? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) No, GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) and (b). There Sir. is no existing plan for automatisation of Kadiri exchange. However, it is being oon- (b) Does not arise. sidered for automatisation during Eighth Plan. Ga.Based Power Project In Krishna- Godavari Basin (c) SrD facility will be provided after automatisation subject to availability of 4698. SHRI GOPAL KRISHNA equipment. THOTA: Will the Minister at ENERGY be pleased to state: Installation of U.H.F. System between Telephone Exchanges In Kerala (a) whether there is any proposal to set up a gas-based power project In Krishna- 4700. SHRI VAKKOM PU- Godavari Basin in the Central sector; and RUSHOTHAMAN: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether there was a proposal to DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- install an U.H.F. system between between TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): the telephone exchanges in Alleppey and (a) and (b). A gas based power plant of 800 Pulincunnoo in Karata; and MW capacity (based on gas from the Krishna-Godavari Basin) is proposed to be (b) jf so, whether it will be commis- located at Kakinada for which the National sioned during the current year? Thermal Power Corporation have been entrusted with the preparation of a feasibility report. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Automation of Kadlrl Telephone GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes Sir. Exchange in Andhra Pradesh

4699. SHRI GOPAl KRISHNA (b) The Alleppey·Pulincunnoo UHF THOTA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- system is planned to be commissioned dur- TIONS be pleased to stlte: . ing 1989·90. 293 Wrilt9l1 AnsMiltS CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Written AnsW811 2M

Ratio of LPG Connections and Cylin- in India and imported; and ders (c) the steps being taken to meet the 4701. DR. DIGVUA Y SINH: Will the shortfall, if any? Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) the increase in the number of new MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- LPG connections given during the iast three RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTT): (a) and years; (b). The number of new LPG connections released and LPG cylinders procured by the (b) the corresponding increase in the oil industry during the last 3 years in given number of gas cylinders both manufactured below:

(in laJchs)

Year No. of new LPG connections released No. of cylinders procured

1985-86 16.32 41 .17 (including imports of 2.53)

1986-87 17.08 36.50

1987-88 14.37 27.26

(c) The LPG cylinders requirement of purview of the HPPC are given in the state- the oil industry is being adequately met with ment below. the capacity already available with the existing cylinder manufacturing units. STATEMENT

Public Sector Undertakings Following List of Public Enterprises on Central D.A Central Government DA Formula 51. No. Name of Enter 4702. SHRISANATKUMARMANDAL: prises Will the Minister of INDUSTm' be pleased to state: 2

the names of the public sector under- I. WHERE ALL EMPLOYEES ARE takings following Central Government ONCDA Dearness Allowance formula whose employees are covered in the Mishra 1. Andaman & Nicobar Island For- Committee Report? ests & Plantation Development Corporation Limited. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): The names of the 68 2. Bharat Leather Corporation Um- public enterprises which come within the ~ed. 295 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 296

1 2 2

3. Delhi Transport Corporation. 20. National Research Development Corpn. of India 4. Educational Consultants India limited. 21. National Seeds Corporation limited. 5. Engineering Projects (India) limited. 22. National Small Industries Corpora- tion Limited. 6. Food Corporation of India. 23. North Eastern Electric Power 7. Hindustan Sahs Limited. Corpn. Ltd.

8. Sambhar Sahs Limited. 24. North Eastern Handicrafts & Hand- looms Development Corporation 9. Hindustan Steelworks Construc- Limited. tion Limited. 2o.- * North Eastern Regional Agricul- 10. Hospital Services ConslJltancy tural Marking Corporation Limited. Corpn. (India) Ltd. 26. Rail India Technical & Economic 11. Indian Medicines Pharmaceuticals Services Ltd. Corpn. Ltd. 27. Rehabilitation Industries Corpora- 12. Indian Railway Construction Co. tion Limited. Ltd. 28. Rural Electrification Corporation 13. Inaian Road Construction Corpo- Limited. ration Limited. 29. State Farms Corporation of India 14. The Jute Corporation of India Lim- Ltd. ited. 30: Telecommunications Consultants IS. Mahanagar Telephone Nigam (Ind1a) Limited. Limited. 31. Vidcsh Sanchar Nigam Limited. 16. National Airport Auu"ority. 32. Water & Power Consultancy Serv- 17. National Building Constn. Corpo- ices (India) Lim:ted. ration Limited. II. WHERE ONLY EXECUTIVES 18. National Industrial Development AREONCDA Corpn. Ltd.

33. Bharat Aluminium Company lim- 19. National Instruments Ltd. ited. 297 CHAITRA 14.1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 298

1 2 2

34. Bharat Gold Mines Limited. 52 .. • National Projects construction Corpn. Limited. 35.·· Bharat Opthalmic Glass Limited. 53.** National Textiles Corporation Lim- 36. Bongaigaon Refinery & Petro- ned. chemicals Limited. 54.** National Textile Corpl1. (A.P .• Kar- 37.·· Cement Corporation of India Lim- nataka. Kerala. & Mahe) Limited. ited. 55,"* National Textile Corpn. (Delhi, 38. Cotton Corporation of India Lim- Punjab & Rajasthan) Limited. ited. 56,"* National Textile Corporation 39." Central Inland Water Transport (Gujarat) Limited. Corpn. Limited. 57.** National Textile Corpn. (Madhya 40. "* Central Warehousing Corporation. Pradesh) limited.

41. Engineers India Limited. 58,** Natiollal Textile Corpn. (Mahar- ashtra North) Ltd. 42. Indian Drugs & Pharmaceuticals Limited. 59.*" National Textile Corpn. (South Maharashtra) Limited. 43.** Indian Tourism Development Cor poration Limited. 60.** National Textile Corpn. (Tamil Nadu & Pondicherry) Limited. 44. Manganese Ore (India) Lim:ted. 6~'** National Textile Corpn. (Uttar 45.* Mazagaon Dock Limited Pradesh) Ltd.

46. Mineral Exploration Corporation 62.** National Textile Corpn. (W.B .• As- Limited. sam, Bihar & Orissa, Limited.

47.... Mining & Allied Machinery Corpo- 63.* Orissa Drugs & Chemicals Limited. ration Limited. 64. Rajasthan Drugs " Pharmaceuti- 48.·" Modern Food Industries (India) cals Limited. Limited.

49." National Aluminium Company Lim- 65.... Uttar Pradesh Drugs & Pharma- ited. ceuticals co. Ltd.

50,** National Hydro Electric Power Gor- poration Limited. 66." Uranium Corporation of India limited. 51. National Mineral Development Medical Officers of Heavy Engi- Corporation Limited. neering Corpn. Ltd. 299 APRIL 4, 1989 Written AnsW8IB 300

(b) This Ministry has no information 1 2 regarding the overseas remittances by such courier companies as permission to operate courier service is granted to these compa- III. WHERE ONL Y NON-EXECU- TIVES ARE ON CDA nies by the Reserve Bank of India under the FERA. 67. Hindustan Prefab limited. exploration In Mahanadl Basin 68. Housing & Urban Development 4704. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: Corporation Limited. Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased state: • Some Executives are on IDA to Some Non-executives are also on , COA (a) the details of the offshore and onshore areas of Mahanadi basin surveyed in the Seventh Plan period; Courier Services

(b) the extent of oil deposits found in 4703. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: those offshore and onshore areas; and Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (c) the details of the programme of different oil companies in Orissa for explor- (a) whether a host of private messenger ing oil in near future? companies have joined the foreign courier service causing loss to the Indian Postal Department; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- (b) if so, how these companies are RAL GAS (SHRIBRAHM DUTT): During administering overseas remittances for (a) the Seventh Plan penod Oil India Limited services rendered there? (OIL) have carried out survey in selected blocks of Orissa offshore (North East Coast) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE as follows: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) It is a fact that 2-Dimensiona private courier companies operate interna- seismic survey line kms. tional courier services in collaboration with I 2820 their foreign counterparts. This Ministry 3-Dimensional does not exercise any control over these :-J':;3 I;ne kms. companies nor IS there any prOVISion In trH:! Indian Post Office Act, 1898 for the regula- Geo-chemical tion of the functioning of such companies. survey 6500 line kms. According to the information received from the Reserve Bank of India which grants In addition, a foreign oil Company, MIs. licences to these companies under Section _ Chevron International Ltd. and Texaco 27 of the Foreign Exchange Regulation Act, Exploration India Inc. have completed 9 companies were operating international about 495 line kms. of seismic survey in the area COUrt ... I service in collaboration with their allotted to them. foreign counter parts In 1988. 301 CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 302

(b) Though there are indications of (c) BHEL sets constituted approxi- hydrocarbon deposits. drilling by OIL so far mately 62.7% of the total installed capacity in has not resulted in discOvery of oil or gas of 88-89 as against 61% in the year. commercial significance in the area. (d) The capacity utilisation of BHEL for (c) OIL are carefully studying drilling the 8th Plan projects is under constant re- and seismic data of North East Coast for view by the Government in' order to ensure reviewing and re-evaluating the hydrocar- that the manufacturing facilities available bon prospects. Further exploratory drilling with the company are adequately utilised. will depend on the results of the review and re-evaluation of data. The foreign company will consider the possibilities of carrying out Financial assistance and supply of raw exploratory drilling in the area allotted to materials to Small and Cottagelndu. them, based on the resuhs of the seismic tries survey processing and interpretation.

Utilisation of Power Plant Equipment 4706. SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL: Will the capacity by BHEL Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state:

4705. SHRI VUAY N. PATIL: Will the (a) whether the entrepreneurs running Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: small and cottage industries have demanded better facilities like financial aul&- (a) whether the Bharat Heavy Electri- tance and supply of raw materials at conces- cals Limited (SHEL) is facing grim prospects sional rates; of gross under-utilisation of its installed capacity for designing and manufacturing power plants equipments; (b) if so, the details of facilities and assistance proposed to be taken to them; (b) if so, the details thereof; and

Cc) the reasons why the share of the (c) the steps taken so far in the matter? indigenous power plant equipment for gen- erating addition arpowe r has shown a declin- ing trend; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL': (d) the steps Government propose to OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- take to entrust more projects to SHEL before TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) Yes, finalisation of the English Plan? Sir. From time to time, proposals/suggestions are received by Government in this regard. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) and (b). The capacity utilisation of BHEL for the manufacture of (b) and (c). Villages and small scale power generation equipment is fairly satis- industries have been accorded high priority factory during the current year. The capacity for the purpose of institutional assistance utilisation will be satisfactory if there is and bank finance along with concessional adequate inflow of orders for the 8th Plan rates of interest extended to them as per projects. following details: 303 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written AnSW9I'S 304

Rate 01 Interest With effect from 8.10.1988 (% per annum)

1. ComposIte loans upto Rs. 25.0001- sanctIoned to artisans, village and cottagl:! Industries under the composite loan scheme.

a) Backward area 10.00

b) Other areas 12.00

II. Short-term advances

a) Upto and inclusive of Rs. 2 lakhs 12.50 to 14.00

b) Over Rs. 2 lakhs and upto Rs. 25 lakhs 14.00 to 15.50

c) Above Rs. 25 lakhs 16.00 (Minimum

III. Term loans of not less than 3 years:

a) Backward areas 12.5

b) Other areas 13.5

Schemes are also being operated by artisans, village and cottage industries anal the Industrial Development Bank of India or marketing their output. (1081) tailored to meet the medium and long term credit requirements of the sector In With the setting Lip of the Small Indus- which assistance is available a1 substantially tries Development Fund in May 1986, lOBI concessional rates compared to the normal has started extending resource support to rates of lOBI. State Smallindus1nes Development Coroo- rations (SIDCs) to enable them to finance scarce and controlled raw matenals are among other things sale of raw materials. allocated to small scale unrts through state Such assistance to SlOGs is given at a level agencies, particularly the Small Indus- concessional rate of 11.5% as against nor· tries Development Corporations. Centrall mal rate of 14%. State Govts. have also arrangements to supply raw materials:o small scale industrial Electrification of Villages in M.P. units registered with the State Dte. of Indus- tries. In order to help artisans, village and 4707. SHRI PRATAP BHANU cottage industries to get raw materials at SHARMA: Will the Minister of ENERGY be cheaper rates as also to help them market pleased to state: their products, Reserve Bank of India has prescribed a concessional rate of interest of (a) whether cent percent electrification 12.5% p.a. on advances to state level corpo- schemes for villages of Vidisha, Raisen and rations for purchase and supply of inputs to Sihore districts of Madhya Pradesh have Written Answers CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 306 he&n approved by the Rural Electrification 1021 villages have been electrified in Se- Corporation; hore, Raisen and Vidlsha districts respectively. (b) if so, the details thereof; Introduction of STD Facility (c) the progress of rural electrification made in these districts; 4708. SHRI SRIKANTHA DAnA NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the (d) whether some schemes of left out Minister of COMMUNICATION be pleased villages are still pending with REC, and to state:

(e) if so, when these are proposed to be (a) the programme of Government to cleared? expand telecommunication network during the Seventh Plan period; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- (b) the towns and Cities identified forthe TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): Introduct,on of S. r.o. facility during the plan (a) to (e). Cent present village electqflcatlon period; and scheme for Sehore (4 shemes), Ral~en (11 schemes) and Vidisha (17 schemes) dis- (c) the CIties and towns provided with tnct3 have been approved by the Rural Elec- S.T.D. facIlity during the last three years? trification Corporation except for 2 Villages of Raisen and 11 villages of Vidisha Districts THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (reported to be under submergence). How- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI ever, a few schemes were closed as the GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) and (b). The scheme period was over. Since targets Seventh Plan proposal envisages addition could not be achieved by the MPES, they of 16 lakh Direct Exchange Lines in the local have submitted during 1988-89, 6 replace- network, extension of sro facility to all dis- ment schemes (Raisen 4, Sehore 1 and tric~Headquarters and to all Telephone Vidisha 1) to cover electrification of left over Exchanges greater than 1000 lines villages. Out of 6 schemes, 2 schemes of equipped capacIty. Raisen district have been sanctioned. The remaining schemes will be sanctioned, if (c) The list IS given in the statement found feasible. As on 28.2.89, 927, 959 and below. STATEMENT

ANNEXURE

List of Stations Provided with NSDISTD during the last Three Years.

1986-87 1987-88 1988-89 (upto 28.3.89)

2 3

Moflena Orai Bhlnd

Etah Pithoragarh Tundla 307 Wtit." AnSW9fS APRil 4. 1989 Written AnsWBIS 308

1 2 3

Mainpuri Pauri Etawah

Mathura Unjha Ulihiani

Talod Godhra Shikohabad

Savarkundla Palanpur Datia

Mahuva Cam bay Banda

Kalol Kheda Lalitpur

Junagarh Kapadwanj Petlad

Gandhidham Patan Dabhol

Sillimora Sainthla AnandN.V. Nagar

Dholka Nanjangud Srirampur

Dharangdhra Belwadi Manmad

Visnagar Hebbagudl Dhulia

Surendranagar Bangarpet Jalna

Jhamkhambalia Channapatnam. Nanded

Pathankot Chikbalapur Hiriyur

Khanna K.G.F. Virajpet

Kalka Guladgud Ramnagaram

Purlia Havari Bhatkal

Kundapur Satna Gonikoppal

Bajpe Bijnore Hoshangabad

Kolar Silchar Bijapur

Kittur Dhenkennal harsi

Margoa Sambalpur Furidkot aoa Written AnsW8tS CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswefS 310

1 .. 2 3

Panvet Chaibasa Eazilka

KaJamboli Sindri Diamondhabour

Navaseva Hazipur Baripada

Bhatpara Bhilai Balasore

Portblair Bhagalpur Berhampur

Satara Sommanur Paradip

Karad Roorkee Purl

Avinashi Surajpur Angul

Vellacoil Kalady Bhadrak

Musiri Oranganur Chatrapur

Hospet Vaikom Jeypore

Koppal Alathur Koraput

Kothagudam Mannar Sunaleda

Mandsur Minicoy Dharapuram

Joara Perrur Kelanchery

Dewas Mela Tadpatri

Partapgarh Armoor Sriganganagar

Ambasamudram Dhar Pali

Tenkasi Nagaur Dharamshala

Shenkotah Bikaner ferithalmanna

Shankarankoil Gurdaspur Ottapalam

Sivakasi Fatehpur Nilember

Kanyakumari Tirur Nileshwar 311 Written Answsrs APRIL 4, 1989 Wnlten AnswetS 312

1 2 3

Valiyur Telipramba Kottakal

Sivaganga Payyannur Ramnathpuram

Ambur Karhangod Palani

Vamyambadi Penani Mariamalainagar

Trivellore Sultanpur Gummidlpoondi

Arni Mannarghat Madhubani

Molivesharam Shoraneor Purnia

Kavali lakhimpuikheri Begusarai

Chandrapur Jagraen Nawadah

Seoni Chlnalapatti Bareat

Siwan Sirivilliputh ur Tarapore

Munghyr Renner! Latur

Porebandar Kavarathy Sylvasa

Perundurai Nellikupam Khamgaon

Karaikal Rewa Osmanabad

Pudukottai Raigarh Kepergaon

Sir1

Thanjavur Bettiah Daman

Punalur Dawarka Ahva

Vizhinjim Wankaner Panaruti

Eluro Uthukuli Tindivanam

Baramati Sattyamanglam Aduthurai

Veraval Lungleh Thiruvaiyaru 313 Writen MsWQfS CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 314

1 2 3

Hazaribagh Tinsukia Nedumangad

Chickmanglore Jorrhat Vuyyuru

Kowr Sibsagar Chirala

Sankridurg Naharlagan Yenam

Kosiji Kulithalai Amudalavalasa

Kariamanickam Amhikapur

Papnasam Jagdalpur

Pathanamthita Bhadohi

Kayamkulam Basti

Pandalam Khamaria

Ramchand rapuram Oeoghar

Annaparthi Giridih

Tuni Chirkunda

Samalkot Chas

Peddupuram Bundi

Dowelshwaram (I/C) Kalapardi

Ravalpalam Vallam

Dhamtari Sundergarh

Jaunpur Chitoor

Solan Vakrala

Hamirpur Falta

Bilaspur Gourlbindnur

Nahan Deaakettai 315 Written Answers APRil 4, 1989 Written Answers 316

1 2 3

KhopoJI Melur

Tallichery Cheruvathur

Shankarnagar

Meder·Metla

Kovurru

Bhadrachalan

Kudal

Kuttalam

Mahe

Nanguneri

Phulbani

Jharsguda

Keonjhar.

Transfer of AIRITV Employees down by the Government to transfer officers and employees from one place to another; 4709. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: and Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: (d) if so, the details thereof, and when the officers and employees posted at a par- (a) whether a large number of officers ticular station for more than 4 years are likely and employees working in different AIR to be transferred to another place? stations and Doordarshan kendras are not transferred from one place to another; THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- (b) n so, the number of officers and FORMATION AND BROADCASTING employees posted at Bombay, Delhi, Ma· (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) to Cd). The dras and Calcutta AIR stations and Doord- transfer of staff in All India Radio and Doord- arshan Kendras who have not been trans- arshan is governed by the transfer policy ferred for the last 15 to 20 years; guidelines of the Government. Under these guidelines Group '0' and low paid employ- (c) whether any criteria has been laid ees are generally not transferred. For Group 317 CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Ans~ 318

'C. officers. the transfer is nomraIly to the (b) if so, the number of new telephone StationS /Kendras _hin the lone. Such exchanges likely to be opened in 1989·901 employees constitute a substantial number of employees in these stationsike:ldras. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Officers with all tndia transfer liability GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. are transferred keeping in view the service needs of the stationSi1(endras, specialisa- (b) Three new telephone exchanges tion of the officer concerned and other are likely to be opened and eight existing administrative constraints. telephone exchanges are expected to be expanded during 1989-90. extension of Local Call Facility In Bombay Opening of Telephone Exchanges In Rural Areas of Ahmecinagar District 4710. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATll: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- 4712. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE TIONS be pleased to state: PATEL: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA· TIONS be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have any proposals to extend the local call facility from (a) whether Government propose to Bombay to New Bombay. Kalyan, Dam- expand telephone faCilities in rural areas; biwali, Ambarnath, Bhiwandi. Panvel and and Vasai as has been done in the case of Delhi: (b) if so, the number of telepnone ex- (b) if so, the places likely to be covered changes likely to be opened in rural areas of by this facility; and Ahmednagar district (Maharashtra) in the current year? (c) if not the reasons therefor? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) to (c). No, Sir. These areas come under the jurisdiction of (b) 11 is proposed to commission 17 separate local bodies. Therefore the tele- numbers during 1989. Out of these 4 ex· phone systems serving them are treated as changes have been commissioned since separate systems. The calls between Bom- January 1989. bay and these places are charged according S.T.D. Facility In States to the distance between them.

4713. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE Telephone System In Bombay PATfL: Wilf the Minister of COMMUNICA- be pleased to state: 4711. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE TIONS PATll: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- (a) whether Government have any TK>NS be pleased to state: proposal to provide STD 1,cility to more towns in the current year; (a) whether Government have any PIOposaI to enlarge the telephone communi- (b) if so, the details in tl'lis regard, State- cation system in Bombay city; and 319 WrlIIen Answers APRIL 4. 1989 Writtsn AnsWBfS 320

wise; and GIAIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir.

(c) the time by which various ~ntres in (b) The state-wise break up is given the Ahmednagar district such as Sa~gamner, statement below. Kopargaon, Newasa, Rahuri, Jamkhed and Pamer are likely to be provided with S. T.D. (c) Subject to availability of equipment, facility? Sangam ner. Kopargaon, Newasa. Rahuri. J amkhed and P arner are proposed to be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE provided with STD facility during the Eighth MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Plan period. STATEMENT

State wise Break up of Towns Planned to be Provided with STO FaciHty During 1989-90

SI.No. Name of the State No. of Towns

2 3

- 1. Andhra Pradesh 27

2. Assam 12

3. Arunachal Pradesh 10

4. Bihar 15

5. Goa 2

6. Gujarat 22

7. Haryana 9

8. Himachal Pradesh 9

9. Jammu & Kashmir 11

10. Karnataka 13

11. Karala 27

12. Madhya Pradesh 22

13. Maharashtra 21

14. Manipur 7

15. Meghalaya 2 321 Wnlttn Ans... CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answ8q 322

2 3

16. Uizoram

17. Nagaland 6

18. Orissa 4

19. .Punjab 3

20. Rajasthan 15

21. Sikkim 3

22. Tamil Nadu 17

23. Tripura 2

24. Uttar Pradesh 21

25. West Bengal 9

26. Union Territory 3

Anta Combined Cycle Gas Power operate at full load. Project Manufacture of Gas eased Power 4714. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES- Plants by BHEL WARI: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: 4715. SHR1MATI BASAVARAJES- WARI: Will the Mir.ister of INDUSTRY be (a) whether the second gas turbine of pleased to state: the Anta combined cycle gas power project of NTPC was synchronised in March 1989; (a) whether the Bharat Heavy Electri- and cals Limited (SHEL) has stepped up its capacity to manufacture the gas-baaed (b) if so, the Ulsuhs achieved there- power plants; from? (b) if so, the member of gas based THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE power plants proposed to be manufactured DEPARTMENT OF POWEft1N THE MIN 15- by the BHEL; TRv OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAt): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) whether any concrete proposals have been formulated in this regard; and (b) The unit has performed satisfactorily and has demonstrated its capability to (d) if so. the details thereof? 323 Written Answers APRIL 4. 1989 Written Ansttws 324

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI STATEMENT-I J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (d). BHEL has already established capacity to manufadure List of Countries Available on ISO about 200 MW per annum of gas-based power plants. The Company has planned 51. No. Country the manufacture of nine gas-based Turbo- Generator sets during 1989-90. 1 2

1. Albania International Subscriber Dialling Facility from Kerala 2. Algeria

3. Andorra 4716. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 4. Angloa to state: 5. Anguilla

(a) the countries to whiCh International 6. Antigua Subscriber Dialling system is available from Kerala; 7. Argentina

(b) the telephone exchanges in Kerala 8. Aruba which have International SubSCriber Dialling system facilhy; and 9. Ascension Island

10. Australia (c) the telephone exchanges which will be provided with International Subscriber 11. Austria Dialling facility within the next three years? 12. Azores THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 13. Bahmas GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The countries to which International Subscriber Dialling is 14. Bahrain available from Kerala is given in the State- ment-I below. 15. Bangladesh

16. Barbados (b) The telephone exchanges in Kerala which have International Subscriber Dialling 17. Belgium ayat8m facility are given in the Statement-II ~. 18. Belize

(0) ThllIkIphone exchanges which are 19 . Benin • ~ to be pIOVided with International Sub- scrl:Jer OWIng fa:ility within the next 3 years are given in the Statement .. "' below. 20. Bermuda 325 Wrkten Answers CHAfTRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Written AnsW91S 326

1 2 2

21. Bolivia 44. Denmark

22. Botswana 45. Djibouti

23. Brazil 46. Demonican

24. Brunei 47. Demonican Republic

25. Bulgaria 48. Ecuador

26. Burkina 49. Egypt

27. Burma 50. Ethiopia

28. Burundi 51. Falkland Islands

29. Cameroon 52. Fiji

30. Canada 53. Finland

31. Canary Islands 54. France

32. Cayman Islands 55. Gabon

33. Central African Rep. 56. Gambia

34. Chad Republic 57. Germany East GOA

35. ChilE' 58. Germany West FRG

36. Christmas Islands 59. Ghana

37. Colombia 60. Gibraltar

38. Congo People's Rep. 61. Greece

39. Cook Islands 62. Grenada

40. Costa Rica 63. Guadeloupe

41. Cuba 64. Guam

42. Cyprus 65. Guatemala

43. Czechoslovakia 66. Guyana 327 Wlit." Answ.. APRIL 4. 1989 Written Answ9IB 328

1 2 1 2

67. Haiti 90. Madeira

68. Honduras 91. Malagasy

69. Hongkong 92. Malawi

70. Hungary 93. Malaysia

71. Iceland 94. Maldives

72. Indonesia 95. Mali

73. Iran 96. Malta

74. Iraq 97. Marshal Island

75. Ireland 98. Martinique

76. Italy 99. Mauritius

n. Ivory Coast 100. Mlcroneisa

78. Jamaica 101. Mexico

79. Japan 102. Monaco

80. Jordan 103. Mentaerrat

81. Kenya 104. Morocco

82. Kiribati 105. Mozambique

83. Kuwait 106. Nambia

84. Lebanon 107. Nauru

85. Lesotho 108. Nepal

86. Liberia 109. Netherlands

87. Libya 110. Netherlands Antilles

88. Luxembourg 111. Newzealand

89. Macao 112. Nicarauga 321 WItten Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 330

1 2 1 2

113. Niger 136. Sierra leone

114. Nigeria 137. Singapore

115. Norfolk Island 138. Solomon Islands

116. Norway 139. Somalia

117. Oman 140. South Korea

118. Pakistan 141. Siain

119. Palau 142. Srilanka

120. Panama 143. St. Chrittopher

121. Papua New Guinea 144. St. Lucia

122. Paraguay 145. St. Vincent

123. Peru 146. Sudan

124. Phillipines 147. Surinam

125. Poland 148. Swaziland

126. Portugal 149. Sweeden

127. Puerto Rico 15_0. Switzerland

128. Qatar 151. Syria

129. Romania 152. Taiwan

130. Rwanda 153. Tanzania

131. Samoa West 154. Thailand

132. San Marion 155. Togolese Republic

133. Saudi Arabia 156. Tonga

134. Senegal 157. Trinidad and Tobago

135. Seychelles 158. Tunisia 331 Writt&n Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 332

STA TEMENT-I 1 2

List of Telephone Exchanges in KeraJa 159. Turkey which have International SubscriJer Dialling Facility 160. U.A.E.

Trivandrum X-Bar, TVM-Kaithammukku 161. U.S.S.R. Sreekanam, Quilon, Quilon-Chinnakkada' Kottayam I, Kottayam 11, Kanjikuzhi, Gandhi: 162. Uganda nagar, Ernakulam I, Ernakulam II, West Is· land, Palarivattem, Cochin, Tripunithura 163. United Kingdom Udayamperoor, Kalamassery, Chittoor.' Coch,n, Guruvayur, Chowghat, Calicut 164. United States Callcut-Vellayil, Ferrok, Cannanore, Balta· pattorn, Adoor, Alathur, Alleppey, Alwaye 165. Uruguay Angamaly, Attingal, 8adagara, Chalakudy Changanacherry, Chengannur, Chin· 166. Vanuata (New gavanam, Cranganore, Idikki, Irinjalakuda Hebrides) Kalady, Kalpetta, Kayamkulam, Kavarathy Kanhangad, Kothamangalam, Kottarakara 167. Venezuela Kundara, Palai, Malappuram, Manjert, Mannar, Mlnicoy, Muvattupuzha, Narakkai, 168. Virgin Is. (8) Neyyattlnkara, Parur, Pathanamthitta Payyannur, Perumbavoor, Pennani, Pun- 169. Yemen Arab alur, Shertalai, Alagappanagar, Cherpu Republic Ollur, Trichur, Thailparamba, Tellicherry, lhedupuzha, Tirur, Thiruvalla, Vaikom, 170. Yugoslavia Mala, Pandalam, Nilambur, Perinthal- manna, Mannarghat, Munnar, Neduman- 171. Zaire gad, Kolenchery, Nlleswar, Ottappalam Shornur, MulanthlJruthy, Vlzhinjam, Chlttur- 172. Zambia PGT, Varkala, Thrikkakara. Aroed Palghat, Olavakkot, and Kunnamkulam. 173. Zimbabwe ST ATEM ENT-III 174. China

List of Telephone Exchanges in Kerala Likely to be Provided International List of destinations (Separate Telecom- Subscriber Dialling Facility during the next muni-cation entities three years

1. Kasargod 175. Alakka

2_ Haripad 176. Hawaii

3. Kanjirapally 1n. Vatican City. 4. Mavelikara 333 CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnSWBIS 334

5. Vadakanchery Orders for Off-shore Structure. by ONGC 6. Quilandy 4717. PROF K. V. THOMAS: Will the 7. Kunnanangalam Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: 8. Blathur (a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas 9. Chelari Commission are placing orders forOff-shor. structures on the Indian shipyards, particu- 10. Parappangadi larly the Cochin Shipyards; and

11. Karunalapally (b) ~ not, the reasons therefore?

12. Varkala THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- 13. Kondotti RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUTI): (a) and (b). ONGC have placed orders for fabrica- 14. Manjeswar tion of platforms etc. on Indian shipyards. namely, Mazagon Docks Limited Hindustan 15. Uppala Shipyard Lim~ed and Brun Standard Co. Ltd. 16. Chengala MIs. Cochin Shipyard Limited, do not 17. Ambalathera have the infrastructure to underttlke the fabrication of platforms. HoweVer, Coehin 18. Trikarpur Shipyard Limited have completed an order of ONGC for dry docking a[1d repairs of an 19. Pampady offshore drilling rig. Anotl;ler such order for dry docking and repair of another rig is 20. Kaniyapuram currently under execution by them.

21. Kandassanka- Extra Departmental Employees In davu Karnataka

22. Ponkonnam 4718. SHRIV.S. KRISHNA IYER: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 23. Valappad pleased to state:

24. Mondoor (a) whether Extra-Departmental employees in the Department of Posts with 25. Koothattukulam three years service are qualified to take the test for recru~ment to the grade of Group '0' 26. Mulankun- in Karnataka Postal Circle; nathukavu (b) whether any test was held in 1988 to 27. Cherwathuf recruit them to the cadre of Group 10'; and 335 APRD. 4, 1989 Wrilten Ans... 338

(c) if not, when the test is proposed to be Orissa; conducted? (b) if so, what faG'ilities would be avila- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE blae 10 the people by this auto exchange; MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI and GlRlDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir, subject to the condition that the number of can- (c) the total amount spent on this auto didates for an examination is restricted to 5 exchange so far? times the number of vacancies. THE MINISTER OF STAn: IN THE (b) No, Sir. MINISTRY OF COMMUNlCATlONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. One (c) No specific lime can be mentioned Digital trunk automatic exchange has been at this stage. installed at Cuttack in Orissa.

STD Facility at Netamangata and (b) This digital trunk auto exchange Doddaballapur In Bangalore enables the people of Orissa to get access to National and International Subscriber Trunk 4719. SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER: WiH Dialling Services the MiniSter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state; (c) Approximately Rs. 2.5 Crores.

(a) whether S.T.D. facility has been Capital Output Ratio of IDPL provided at NelamangaJa and Doddabal-. lapur in Bangalore District; and 4721. SHRI K. PRADHANt: WHI the Minister of INDUSTRY be pfeased to state: (b) it not, the time by which S. T.D. facility will be provided at these places? (a) the capital output ratio in respect of bulk drugs and formulations of the Indian THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Drugs and Pharmaceuticals limited, sepa- MlNtSTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI rately in respect of each drug; GIRIOHARGOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) whether this ratio is the lowest in (b) Subject to the availability of respect of the IDPL as compared to other adequate resources, these stations could be companies; considered for STO facility during the Eighth Plan period. (c) if so, the details of improvement! deterioration in this ratio for the Jast three years, year-wise; and Installation of Digital Electronic Auto Exchange at Cuttack, Orissa (d) the steps taken to improve this ration? 4720. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Wi" the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) to (d). The requisite (a) whether any digital electronic auto information is being collected and wiD be laid exchange has been installed at Cuttack on the Table of the House. :rJ7 Wnlten Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answel'S .338

Electrlftcatlon of Villages with Solar computerised telephone directory enquiry Energy service;

4722. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the (c) whether Government propose to Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: open customer service centres and computerised fauh control system in Delhi and other (a) the number of villages in Orissa cities; and prop0se9 to be electrified with the help of solar energy; and (d) if so, when and the ~etails thereof?

(b) the arrangements made to super- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN lliE vise the work of electrification of these vii· MINISTRY OF COMMUNICAT~ONS (SHRI lages through solar energy? GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The names of cities in the country where computerised THE MINISTRY OF ENERGY (SHRI Telephone Directory Enquiry Service is in VASANT SATHE): (a) 206 villages in Orissa operation is given in the Statement below. have already been provided with solar photovoltaic street lighting systems as a meas- (b) Bhubaneshwar is likely to have ure of initial electrification of these villages. computerised telephone directory enquiry About 200 more villages are expected to be service in about two years time. provided with solar street lights/photovoltaic power packs during the Seventh Plan. About (c) Yes, Sir. 90 Solar power packs for powering pumps, community TV and lights have also beer. set (d) Delhi and a few other cities have up at different locations in Orissa. A Central- already been provided with these services. ised Solar Photovoltaic system of about 25 Other cities are being provided with these kw (peak) is under installation at a Forest system progressively. These are likely to be Lodge at Lulung. completed during Eighth Plan.

(b) Supervision of the work relating to STATEMENT solar energy installations including maintenance, training of persons has been en- Names of cities in tho country where trusted to the State Nodal Agency, namely, computerised Telephone directory enquiry Orissa Renewable Energy Development service is in operation Agency and Orissa State Electricity Board. 1. I Bombay Computerised Telephone Directory Enquiry Service 2. New Delhi

4723. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the 3. Calcutta Minister of COMMUNfCAnONS be pleased to state: 4. Madras

(a) the names of cities where comput- 5. Lucknow erised telephone directory enquiry service is in operation; , 6. Hyderabad

(b) when Bhubaneshwar will have 7. Dindigul 339 Wrilten Answers APRil 4, 1989 Written AnsMn 340

8. Coimbatore phones; and

9. Ahmedabad (f) if not, the reasons therefor?

10. Ambala THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 11. Baroda GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The anticipated demand (working connection + Wait- 12. Faridabad ing List) for telephone connections in Va- dodara is likely to be about 53,000 by the end 13. Pondicherry of Seventh Plan i.e. 31.3.1990.

14. Vijaywada (b) During the first four years (1985-89) of the Seventh Plan a total No. of 13,000 15. Trichy telephone connection were provided. About 7,500 telephone connection are proposed to 16. Ghaziabad be provided during 1989-90.

17. Kolhapur. (c) The total allocation made for Sev- enth Plan is about 70 crores and the amount Telephone Connections In Vadodara likely to be spent during 1989-90 for the purpose is about 25 crores. 4724. SHRI RANJIT SINGH GAEKWARD: Will the Minister of COMMU- (d) Yes, Sir. NICATIONS be pleased to state: (e) and (f). The details of installation (a) the anticipated demand for tele- programme for telephone exchanges in phone connections in Vadodara by the end Vadodara is given below: of Seventh Ptan; (i) 10,000 lines (Main) E-10B at (b) the total number of telephone con- Alkapuri during 1989-90. nections given during the first four years of the Plan and the number of telephone con- (ii) 6,000 lines expansion of ICP X- nections likely to be given in Vadodara dur- Bar at Makarpura during 1990- ing the remaining period of the Seventh 91. Plan; (iii) 4,000 lines Electronic (RLU) at (c) the total allocation made and the Panigate during 1990-91. amount likely to be spent during the term Inal year of the Plan for the purpose; (iv) 5,000 lines (Main) Electronic at Jail Road during 1991-92. (d) whether the existing waiting list for telephone connections wUl be wiped out (v) 3,500 lines Expansion at Alka- during Eighth Plan; puri during 1991-92.

(e) if so, the details of expansion proj- (vi) 5,000 lines (main) Electronic at ects likely to be undertaken by Baroda Tele- Panigate during 1992-93. 341 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 342

Excess Telephone Billing tn Baroda 4187 to 3/89 ...... 139. Telephones (vii) Amount of rebate granted ... Rs. 4725. SHRI RANJIT SINGH 4,26,756. GAEKWAD: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- CATIONS be pleased to state: Training to 011 Industry Employees in Safety Measures (a) whether Government have received any representation from the subscribers 4726. SHRI MURLlDHAR MANE: Will receiving exhorbitant telephone bills every the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATU- noW and then from in Baroda Telephones in RAL GAS be pleased to state: Gujarat; (a) whether Government have formu- (b) if so, the details thereof; and lated a scheme for the training of employees of petroleum industry like these working in (c) the steps taken thereon? LPG bottling plants etc., in safety measures; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) if so, the d~t'=lils thereof? GIRIDHAA GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. Some complaints have been received but THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE these are not considered abnormal in view of MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- the magnitude of bills issued in Baroda Tele- RALGAS (SHRI BRAHM DATI): (a) and (b). phones. Government have not formulated any schem8 in this regard since the public sector (b) and (c). The details of the complaints oil companies have their own schemes for received and steps taken to settle those are such training programme. as ",nder: Power Generation by Captive Power (i) No. of bills issued from 4/87 to 3/ Plants 89 ... 3,51,148. 4727. SHRI MURLlDHAR MANE: Will (ii) No. of complaints of excess bill- the Ministerof ENERGYbe pleased to state: ing received from 4/87 to 31 89 ... 4420. (a) the total generation of power of the captive power plants during the last three (iii) Percentage of complaints to bills years; issued 1.25%. (b) whether it has relieved the pressure (iv) No. of complaints settled so for on the power supply of the National Thermal 4420. Power Corporation and the State Electricity Boards; and (v) No. of complaints in which no justification for grant of any rebate was found ... 4281. (c) the estimated power generation through captive power plants during 1989- (vi) No. of complaints in respect of 90 and the break up thereof in different which rebate was granted during States? 343 Written Answ8fS APRIL 4, 1989 Written AnSW8I'S 344

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE part or in full is being considered? DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAr): THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) to (c). The information is being collected DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- and will be laid on the Table of the House. TRY OF ENERGY (SHAI KAlP NATH RAI): (a) and (b). The details of power projects Financial Aaalstance for Power Project under implementation with external assis- from Abroad tance are given in the statement below.

4728. SHAI MURLlDHAR MANE: Will (c) The information is being collected the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: and will be laid on the Table of the House.

(a) the power projects at present under (d) The new power projects for which execution in the country for which financial external financial assistance, either in part or assistance or credit from abroad is involved; in full, may be obtained include Nathpa Jhakri HEP, Dulhasti HEP, Uri HEP, (b) the name of financing agency and Chamera stage-II HEP, larji HEP, Uhl the credits given for each such project; Stage-III HEP, Yamunanagar TPS, Gas Turbine Project at Dadri, Rihand STPS (c) the name of foreign company, its Stage-II, Panam mini hydel project, Farakka business, quantum and contract value being STPP Stage-III, Muddanur TPS, Tenughtat handled by it in each project with the support TPS, North Madras TPS, Koyna Stage-IV of such external financing arrangement; and HEP, Chandrapur Extn. TPS, Gandhar Gas Turbine Project, Basin bridge Gas based (d) the new power projects for which projejct, Vishnuprayag HEP, Bhawani Kat- financial assistance from abroad either in talai HEP etc. Written Answers CHAITRA 14. 191 1 (SAKA) Written Answers 346

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Group Dialling Integrated Digital (II) MARR peos are proposed to be Network Scheme in Himachal Pradesh commissioned dUring 1989-90.

4729 PROF NARAIN CHAND PAR- (III) Group dialling and ION schemes ASHAR Will the MInister of COMMUNICA- are proposed to be progres- TIONS be pleased to state Sively Introduced dunng 1989- 90 and the 8th five year plan (a) whether there has been an mordl- I"'ate delay In the introduction of Group DI- Expansion of Telecom. Network In alling, Integrated Dlgrtal Network Schemes, Rural Areas installation of MARRs Public Call Offices and C-Dot Exchanges even In a few selected 4730 PROF NARAIN CHAND PAR- areas of Himachal Pradesh, ASHAR Will the MInIster of COMMUNICA- TIONS be pleased to state (b) If so, the reasons therefor, and (a) whether there IS Inordinate delay (c) the steps taken to ensure that the In the achievement of targets In tile targets fixed for Implementation by the end expansIon of Telecom network In rural of March, 1989 are atleast fulfilled by April, areas because of the ImpOSition of ban on 1989? the recrUitment of staff even on dally wages and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THf MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) If so, the steps proposed to be taken GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) (a) There has to allow the recruitment of labour on dally been some delay In mtroductlon of MARR wages or execute the works on contractual peos and C-DOT exchanges In Himachal baSIS? Pradesh Group dialling and ION schemes were planned to be Implemented progres- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Sively dUring Seventh and Eighth Plan pe MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI nod GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) (a) So far there IS no Inordinate aelay In the achievement of (b) The schemeS have been delayed targets In the expansion of Telecom Net- due to non availability of equipment work In rural areas because 01 ImpoSition of ban on the recruitment of staff (c) Details are given In this statement below (b) Wherever the necessIty anses, the work IS done by eXisting regular/dally wage STATEMENT staff or through contractors

Postal Services in Rural Areas (I) Equipment has been received by Himachal Pradesh Circle 4731 PROF NARAIN CHAND PAR- recently for SIX (6) C-DOT ex- ASHAR Will the MInister of COMMUNICA- changes which are planned to be TIONS be pleased to state commissioned by April, 1989 Balance C-DOT exchanges Will (a) whether the Department of Posts be commissioned dUring 1989- has Issued orders for the review of even the 90 on supply of equipment by ITI permanent Branch Post Office, every three 3S5 Written AnSW9rS APRil 4, 1989 Written Answers 3S6

years scrapping thereby the age old concept certain items of postal transactions and of permanency of these post offices; other items have been changed as a result of studies done by Staff Inspection UnitJlnter. (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and nal Work Study Unit.

(c) whether the step would be with- (b) The details are belng compiled and drawn and status quo ante would be re- will be laid on the table of the House. stored? (c) According to instruct~ns the depart- THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR mental staff rendered surplus is not to be COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR retrenched. The employees are absorbed in GOMANGO): (a) and (b). According to the future/alternative vacancies and till then present policy a financial review of all branch they contmue to work against the surplus offices is carried out once in three years. posts. In respect of Extra Departmental This exercise is intended to see whether the employees as per the then existing instruc- minimum percentage income as prescribed tions prior to 15.7.87, the Extra Departmen- in the norms is actually realised. tal employees rendered surplus due to revI- sion of norms were to be absorbed in alter· (c) No, Sir. nate vacancies that become available These instructions were modified subse- Norms for Calculation of Workload and quently permitting Extra Departmental Time Factor In Postal Transactions employees to be retamed in their posts till they are absorbed in alternate posts. 4732. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- ASHAR: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- Telephone Service in Kadiri Taluk In TIONS be pleased to state: Anantapur District of Andhra Pradesh

(a) whether the Staff Inspection Units 4733. SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA have changed the norms for the calculation REDDY: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- of workload and time factor on various postal TIONS be pleased to state: transactions and other items during 1986- 87, 1987-88 and 1988-89; (a) whether the telephone service In Kadm Taluk of Anantapur district in Andhra (b) if so, the exact change in the norms Pradesh IS faulty; and introduced alongwith the dates of its introduction and the reasons for change; and (b) if so, the steps taken or proposed to be taken to improve the tele_phone service In thiS area? (c) whether the Department has taken into account its adverse impact on the eXist- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ing postal personnel which is likely to lead to MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI retrenchment? GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The telephone services in Kadiri are found to be generally satisfactory . THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) It is proposed to automatise Kadm GIRIDHAA GOMANGO): (a) The norms for telephone exchange in the Eighth Plan pe- calculation of \\'OrkJoad and time factor for nod. 357 Wrilten Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answ91'1 358

[Translation] Industrial undertakings engaged ir. mtu\U- facture of paper and paper board to take up Manufacture of Newsprint manufacture of newsprint:-

4734. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: Will (i) The facility will be allowed to the Minister of IN DUSTRY be pleased to paper mills having a licensed state: capacity of 33,000 tonnes per annum or above and within their (a) the number of applications received existing capacity. Out of this, a by Government so far from the existing capacity of- atleast 20,000 ton- paper mills to manufacture newsprint; unit- nes should be available for pro- wise details thereof; duction of newsprint.

(b) whether Government have fixed (ii) The mills having less than a any limit for the production of newsprint by capacity of 33,000 tennes per these mills; and annum at present, could be given permission to take up (c) if so, the extent thereof and if not, the manufacture of newsprint with a reasons therefor? minimum capacity of 20,000 tonnes per annum, in case they THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE will expand their total capacity to DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEl- atleast 33,000 tonnes per an- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- num. TRY (SHR1 M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) In the recent past, five existing paper mills had (iii) The source of raw material sought permission to take up manufacture of should be established in ad- newsprint. Details are given in the statement vance. below.

(b) and (c). Government have an- Keeping in view these guidelines, per- nounced the following guidelines in Septem- mission has been granted to two units for ber, 1988 for grant of permission to existing taking up manufacture of newsprint. 359 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 360

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Thermal Power Station at Jaisalmer, (d) whether any deCISIOn has been Rajasthan taken about the Ramgarh (District Jais- almer) Thermal Power Project; 4735. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN. Will the MInister of ENERGY be pleased to (e) If not, the reasons therefor, and state: (f) whether Union Government propose (a) the gas prices f:xed for gas based to reduce the pnce of gas to help In making thermal power stations, gas based Thermal Power plants successful? (b) the productIOn cost of electriCity In THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE these plants, State-Wise, DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): (c) the reasons for which the electricity (a) The prices of natural gas, exclUSive of obtained by Rajasthan State Electricity royalty, taxes and other leVies, etc, were Board from gas based thermal power sta- fixed by the Government In January, 1987 as tions IS costlier, follows - (I) Offshore gas at landfall point and onshore gas Rs 1400/1000 M3

(II) Gas sold along the HBJ pipeline Rs 2250/1000 M3

(III) Gas sold In the North Eastern Region As 1000/1 000 M3 (With a prOVISion for discount of upto Rs 50011 000 M3 In IndiVidual cases)

The~e IS a prOVISion for 15% discount for location fall-back users and for concesslonal prices In the developing fields (f) The prices of natural gas, as Indi- cated above, are presently being continued. (b) and (c) The cost of production of electriCity at the gas-based plants depends, [English] Inter aha, on the price of gas The tanff being charged for the electriCity supplied 10 the Allocation of Power of Kerala Rajasthan State ElectriCity Board from the gas-based projects of the National Thermal 4736 PROF P J KURIEN: Will the Power Corporation IS the same as for the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: other ElectriCity Boards In the Northern Region (a) whether Kerala Government has demanded a higher share In power alloca- (d) and (e) 50,000 M3 of gas per day tion from Central sector power stations In the from Manehar Tlbba fields has been Southern region, and committed to he Rajasthan State ElectriCity Board for the 3 MW Ramgarh Gas Turbine (b) If so, the reaction of Urban Govern- ProJect, and a concesslonal price of Rs 3501 ment thereon? 1000 M3 has been fixed for the gas, conSid- ering the low calOrific value and the remote THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 363 Wrtten Answenr APRtl4, 1989 Written AnsW8l$ 364

DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN 1HE MINIS- Committee fn 1heir final report submitted to TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): the Government on 24.11.1988. The Rec- (a) Yes, Sir. ommendations of the HPPC are under active consideration of the Government. (b) The allocation of power from the Central Stations is made in accordance with Commissioning of Ramagundam- an ~reed formula which if in force in this Salem-Udumapet-Trlchur lin. behal. KeraJa has an aHocation of 333 MW from the Central thermaVatomic power sta- 4738. SHRI T. BASHEER: Witt the tions in the Southern Region and keeping in Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: view the availability of power in the State, about 25% of the una110caled portion of the (a) the total length of Ramagundam- generation at these Central Statjons is made Salem-Udumapet-Trichur 400 KV nne; available 10 it. (b) whether the line has been partial1y Agitation by Public Sector Employees commissioned and if so, the details thereof;

4737. SHRI P.M. SAYEEO: Wi" the (c) when the whoJe Jme is expected to Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: be commissioned;

(a) whether employees of varJOus (d) the estimated cost of the project; public sector units held a rally at his resi- and dence recently and presented a memorandum of demands; (e) the amount so far spent thereon and the funds requIred to complete this project? (b) if so, the main demands of the employees; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- (c) the action taken by Government TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): ~her90n? (a) to (e). The Ramagundam-Salem Section of th~ line is being constructed by the Na- THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI tional Thermal Power Corporation and Sa- J. VENGALA RAO): (a) to (c). A memoranda lem-Udumalpet-Trichur Section by Neyveli was presented by the Joint Action Commit- Lignite Corporation. The length of the line, tee of Public Sector Unions to the I.M. on the estimated cost, the amount spent so far, 9.3.1989 for implementation of the recom- the amount required to complete the bal- mendations made by the High Power Pay ance work, are given below:- (Rs. in crares)

Section of the line Length Estimated Amount spent Requirement of funds (in Kms.) Cost upto 2189 estimated to complete the balance work

Ramagundam-Salem 1084 153.23 144.50 8.73

Salem-Udumalpet- 413 92.96 18.10 74.86 Trichur 365 Written Answers' CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answets

The Ramagundam-SaJem section of (b) and (c). There is a proposal to the line has been commissioned and the increase the availability of public telephones Salem-Udumalpet-Trichur Section is sched- to 4000 by the end of the year 1990, subject uled for commissioned in 1990-91. to suitable equipment and other materials becoming available. Public Telephones in Calcutta Export of Scooters 4739. DR. PHULRENU GUHA: Will the Ministerof COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 4740. DR. PHULRENUGUHA: Willthe to state: Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to slate:

(a) the number of public telephones in (a) the number of scooters exported in Calcutta at present; 1986, 1987 and 1988 along with the names of countries to which exported. year-wise; (b) whether there is a proposal for and providing more public telephones in that city; and (b) the amount of foreign exchange earned during these years. year-wise? (c) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The total No. OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- of public telephones in Calcutta as on TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) and 28.2.89 is 1592. (b). A statement is given below. 367 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 368

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Number of Postmen and Post Offices Industrial Investment In Orissa 4741. DR. PHULRENU GUHA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 4743. SHRIMATIJAYANTI PATNAIK: to state: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (a) the number of postmen working in the country in 1986, 1987 and 1988; and (a) the total investment made in setting up public sector industries in Orissa during (b) whether Government have any the Seventh Plan period; and proposal for increasing the number of post offices and postmen as population has in- (b) the details of industries set up in that creased? State in public sector?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI J. VENGALA RAO): (a) The total investment GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The number of in terms of gross "'lock made in the Central Postmen working during the years 1986, Public Sector Enterprises in the State of 1987 and 1988 was 53,905, 51,707 and Orissa during the first three years of the 52,719 respectively. Seventh Five Year Plan for which period only the information is available is Rs. 2109.48 (b) Yes, Sir. crores.

(b) The following Central Public Sector Setting up of Auto-Complex in Orissa Enterprises with their registered offices i'l the State of Orissa have been set up.

4742. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: (i) Orissa Drugs & Chemicals Ltd. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (ii) National Aluminium Co. Ltd.

(iii) Neelachallspat Nigam Ltd. (a) whether Government have approved a proposal for setting up an auto- (iv) Paradeep Phosphates Ltd. complex at Rairangpur in Orissa; and (v) Utkal Ashok Hotel Corpn. Ltd. (b) if so, the details thereof? Pay Scales of Inspector and Assistant Superintendents in Department of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Posts DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) Cen- 4744. SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER: tral Govt. have not approved any proposal SHRI YOGESHWAR PRASAD for setting up an auto-complex at Rairangpur YOGESH: in Orissa. Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- (b) Does not arise. TIONS be pleased to state: 371 Written Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 372

(a) whether the pay scales of Inspec- at 30 places so far. tors and Assistant Superintendents in the Department of Posts have been revised as (c) and (d). It is proposed to construd recommended by the Fourth Pay Commis- buildings for 6 telephone exchanges during sion in para 10.44 of the Report and ac- the remaining period of Seventh Plan. The cepted by Government; and details are given below:

(b) if not, the reasons for delay and Telephone Exchange No. of Lines when a decision is likely to be taken in this regard? 1. Rayagada (C-OOT) 400

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 2. Talcher (MAX-II) 400 MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRJ GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) No, Sir. 3. Joda (MAX-II) 200

(b) The proposal for a further revision of 4. Nowrangpur (ESAX) 200 pay scales of Inspector is under examination. Since a number of departments are 5. Bhanjanagar (MAX-II) 300 concerned, no time lim~ can be indicated. 6. Nalconagar (MAX-II) 300 Construction of Telephone Exchange Buildings In Orissa Telephone Connections during Eighth Plan Period 4745. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 4746. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: Will pleased to state: the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have taken steps for the construction of telephone ex- (a) whether Government contemplate change buildings in the country; to prOVide more telephone connections in the country during the Eighth Plan period; (b) if so, the number of telephone exchange buildings constructed at different (b) if so, the total number of telephone places in Orissa so far; connections expected to be given in the country by the end of the Eighth Plan; and (c) whether ~ is proposed to construct some more telephone exchange buildings in (c) the State and Union Territory-wise Orissa during the remaining period of the projections made and programme drawn up Seventh Plan; and therefor?

(d) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) Eighth Plan proposals envisage addition of 50 lakh Direct Exchange Lines. (b) In Orissa Teleco Circle Telephone Exchange Buildings have been constructed (c) Subject to the availability of re- CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnSMH'S 374 sou;ces. the programme includes provision (a) the names of public sector under- of:- standing which have entered into a Memo-- randum of Understanding withtheir adminis- Telephone on demand by 31 st trative Ministries; March, 1995 in rural, backward, hilly and tribal areas and other areas served by tele- (b) the concept and parameters of the phone systems with capac~y below 5000 Memorandum; lines; (c) whether such public undertakings to meet on an average the regis- enjoy greater measure of autonomy as tered demand upto 31.3.94 by 1.4.95 in compared to the others and if so, in what areas served by telephone systems having respects; and capacity of 5000 Hnes and above. (d) whether these undertakings have Supply of Carbon Feed Stock to Small shown better results, in terms of quantum of Scale Units production as well as financial results since the Memorandum of Understanding came 4747. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: into force? W~I the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI J. VENGAL RAO): (a) Four public sedor (a) whether the oil companies are undertaking viz. Steel Author~y of India Ud., manufacturing the Carbon Black feed stock Oil & Natural Gas Commission, National which is presently being used in bulk quan- Thermal Power Corpn. Ltd. and Bharat tity only by the large scale units manufactur- Heavy Electricals Ltd. signed Memorandum ing the Product Carbon Black; and of Understanding with their administrative Ministries for the year 1987-88 and eleven (b) ~ so, whether Government propose undertakings viz. Bharat Heavy Electricals to release this feed stock to the small scale Ltd., Maruti Udyog Ltd., Heavy Engineering units manufacturing the products other than Corpn. Ltd., HMT Ltd., Steel Authority of the Carban Black as a substitute of imported India Ltd., Oil and Natural Gas Commission, raw material like P!am Fatty Acid in small Indian Airlines, Air India, State Trading quantities on the recommendations of Direc- Corpn. Ltd., Minerals & Metals Trading tors of Industries of the States to save for- Corpn. Ltd. and National Thermal Power eign exchange? Corporation Ltd. signed Memorandum of Understanding for the year 1988-89. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- (b) The MOU is a written document RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUn): (a) Yes, which contains the mutually agreed commit- Sir. ments of both the public sector undertakings (b) There is no such proposal under and the administrative Ministry. There are no Government's consideration. fixed parameters applicable to all public sector enterprises and the MOU is enter,,: Memorandum of Understanding with prise-specific. Public Sector Undertakings 4748. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: (c) Yes, Sir. The MOU signing enter- Wmthe Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to prises has been delegated enhanced ad- state: ministrative and financial powers. 375 Written Answ9rs APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answ9fS 376

(d) The enterprises who signed MOU (a) whether Government have ap- for the year 1987-88, have shown better proved any proposal for setting up some results in term of turnover, gross margin and industries in collaboration with Malaysia; net profit as seen from the accounts for 1987-88, the latest year for which finalised (b) whether those industries will be accounts are available. export oriented; and

Supply of Telephone Directory In (c) if so, the amount of assistance Keonjhargarh, Orissa proposed to be extended by Malaysia?

4749. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- pleased to state: OPMENT IN THE MIN ISTRY OF INDUS- TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) to (c). (a) whether Telephone Directones From 1986 to 1988. 3 proposals for setting have not been printed and supplied to the up jOint ventures have been approved by telephone subscribers in Keonjhargarh dis- Government with Malaysia. The proposals trict, Orissa since 1984; were for setting up projects under 100% Export Oriented Scheme and involved finan- (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and Cial participation by Malaysian Companies, amounting to Rs. 71 lakhs. Details of all (c) the steps taken in the matter? approved foreign collaborations, showing the names of Indian and foreign firms, item of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE manufacture and nature of collaboration are MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI published on a monthly basis by the Indian GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The last issue Investment Centre, New Delhi as a ~upple of Telephone Directory of Keonjhargarh was ment to its monthly News Letter. copies of supplied in March 1985 when it was in this publication are sent regularly to Parlia- Balasor Telegraph Division. ment Library.

(b) and (c). The new telephone Direc- Sick Units in Non-55' and 551 Sectors tory of Dhenkanal Secondary Area which includes Keonjhargarh has since been pub- 4751. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: lished in February, 1989 and is being distrib- Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to uted to the subscribers. state:

There has been delay in publishing the (a) the total number of sick units in non- new telephone directory due to reorganisa- SSI and SSI sectors in the country, State- tion on the basis of Secondary Switching wise according to the latest information Area. There was also delay in supply of available; printing paper by DGS&D.

Setting up of Industries In collaboration (b) the total numberof industrial units in with Malaysia each category on the corresponding date;

4750. SHRI SRIKANTHA DAnA (c) the total amount of Government and NARASfMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the bank funds involving the sick unks, State- Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: wise; 371 CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnsMHS 378

(d) the total number of workers in the latest data available from the RBI. State- sick units, State-wise; and wise data on sick industrial units under the SSt and Non-SSI categories aIongwith (e) the number of sick units nursed back amount outstanding against them as at the to health from the date of collection of the end of June. 1987 is given in the statement above data so far? below.

(b) and (d). This data is not being THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE centrally maintained. DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DE~L OPMENT aN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- (e) Viability position in respect of Non- TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) and SSI as well as SSI industrial units. alongwith (c). Data on sick industrial un~s is collected amount outstanding against them is as fol- by Reserve Bank of India. According to the lows:-

(As at the end of June, 1987)'

No. of Amount out- No. of Amount out- Non-5SI sick standing 551 sick outstanding units (Rs. crores) units fRs. crores)

1. Potentially 341 1180.28 12062 342.74 viable

2. Non-viable 521 999.20 139346 1059.91

3. Viability 195 500.87 6818 139.60 not decided

4. Units put 233 847.55 4980 232.96 under nursing programme. 379 APRIL (. 1989 Wrilten Answ8rs 380

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Issue of Letters of Intent or otherwise disposed.of, during the above periods, State-wise; and 4752. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to (e) the number of application pending state: as on 31-12-1988?

(a) the number of applications for grant THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of letters of intent for setting up industries DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- pending as on 1-4-1986, 1-4-1987 and 1-4- OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- 1988, State-wise; TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): (a) to (e). Statistics in respect of applications for grant (b) the number of additional applica- of industrial licence (other than NRI, Fertiliz-, tions received during 1986-87, 1987-88 and ers cases) under Industries (Development & 1988~89, State-wise; Regulation) Act, 1951 are maintained calen- dar year-wise. Statements showing State- wise position of the application brought for- (c) the number of letters of intent Issued ward at the beginning of the years 1986, during the above periods State-wise; 1987, 1988 and additional applications received as also disposed of in the respective (d) the number of applications rejected, years are given in statement I to III below. 387 Writ." Answers APRrL 4, 1989 Written At1swers

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Electrification Schemes for Purnea (c) the steps envisaged to Improve District In Bihar telephone services between Deihl and Fan- dabad? 4753 SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) (a) and (b).The (a) the cnterla adopted for distribution telephone services between Deihl and Fan- of rural electrificatIOn funds allocated to the dabad are generally satls factory States among he varIOus dlstncts and of the funds allocated to a district to varIOus blocksl (c) The steps envisaged to further panchayats, and Improve telephone service between Deihl and Fandabad are detailed below (b) the number of schemes approved forthe Purneadlstnctof Bihar, the number of Comm Isslonln9 of a 10,000 line Villages electrified during 1988·89 and the digital electroniC exchange at Fan- number of Villages to be taken up dunng dabad 1989-90? 2 CommIssioning of additional PCM THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE systems between Deihl and Fan- DEPARTMENTOF POWER IN THE MINIS- dabad on Junction cables, and TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI) (a) The dlstnctwlse and blockwlse financial outlays are decided at the State level 3 Introduction of DIgital coaxial system between Deihl and Fandabad (b) As on 293 1989, Rural Electrifica- tion Corporation has sanctioned 43 rural Telex Services In Karnataka electnflcatlOn schemes In Purnea district of Bihar dUring 1988 89 18 Villages (ProVI· 4755 SHRI H G RAMULU Will the sional) are reported to have been electnfled Mtnlsterof COMMUNICATIONS be pleased by the end of December, 1988 For the year to state 1989-90, a target of electnflcatlon of 2300 Villages has been fixed forthe State of Bihar (a) whether Government propose to Dlstnctwlse targets are deCided at the State prOVide telex services In the major towns of level Karnataka, and

Telephone Services Between Deihl and (b) If so, the names of the towns where Faridabad such faCilities are proposed to be prOVided In the near future? 4754 PROF RAMKRISHNA MORE Will the Mlntster of COMMUNICATIONS be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) (a) Yes, Sir (a) whether the telephone services between Deihl and Fandabad mostly remain (b) A number of major towns Including out of order, district Headquarters and other Important towns are already haVing telex services. h IS (b) If so, the reasons therefor, and proposed to extend the Telex faclhtles to the 407 Written Answ9fs APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 408 following district Headquarters in the near erned by the West Bengal Tripartite Engi- future, provided a minimum firm demand of neering Wage Settlement dated January 28, 4 connections is registered, at the following 1988. places:- Pit-Head Price of Coal (i) Bijapur (ii) Chitradurga (iii) Chick- magalur (IV) Mandya and (v) Madikeri. 4757. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: Memorandum from Employees of Sharat Process and Mechanical (a) whether the pit-head price of coal as Engineers Limited a percentage of the landed price of coal at a power station has come down between 4756. SHRI R.P. DAS: Will the Minister February, 1981 and January, 1987 and the of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: share of railway freight has gone up considerably; and (a) whether Union Government have received a memorandum from the employ- (b) if so, the details thereof and the ees of the Bharat Process and Mechanical present position as in January, 1989 of the Engineers Limited; New Delhi; percentages of landed price of coal and the railway freight? (b) if so, the details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI (c) the action taken by Government VASANT SATHE): (a) and (b). The shares thereon? of pit-head price of coal and the railway irelght as a percentage of landed price of THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI coni will vary from one power station to J. VENGALA RAO): (t:) Yes, Sir. another as it will depend on the grade of coal and the distance between production point (b) Points raised in the memorandum of coal and the power station. It will also relate to: depend on the State where coal is produced as the impact of cesses/levies varies from (i) Categorisation of the employ- one State to another. For the year 1987-88 ees at New Delhi Branch of BPMEL. the average distance over which coal was transported by the Railways was of the order (ii) Disparity in salaries of employ- of 655 Kms. It is estimated that for E grade of ees posted at Calcutta and Delhi. coal supplied from BiharJ\Nest Bengal co- alfield to a power station 655 Kms. away, the (iii) Payment of travelling allow- share of pithead price has come down from ance for Delhi staff. about 55 per cent in Feb. '81 to about 37 per cent in January, 1987; the share of railway (c) The revised pay structure of staff freight having gone up from about 36 per and sub-staff of BPMEL including Ministries cent in February 1981 to about 47 per cent in of Delhi Branch of BPMEL was implemented January, 1987. after due Govt. approval with effect from April 1, 1987, after negotiations with the then In January, 1989, for E grade coal sup- recognised union, Le. Bird Heilgers Employ- plied from Bihar/West Bengal coalfields to a ees Union, Delhi Branch. The wage struc- power station located 655 Kms. away, the ture of. Ca1cutta workers of BPMEL is gov- shares of pithead price and railway freight as 409 Written AnsWBB CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 410 a percentage of landed price of coal are give benefit to the workers under the pension estimated to be about 41 and 38 per cent scheme; respectively . (b) if so, the details thereof and prog- [ Translation] ress made so far; and

Improvement In condition of Coal (c) the time by which the proposed Workers pension scheme for coal workers is likely to be implemented? 4758. SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR COAL state: (SHRI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF): (a) The Cil coal companies make constant efforts to (a) whether Union Government have improve the quality of life of their employees proposed effective measures to improve the by upgradation of facilities like, housing, condition of labourers/employees in the coal water supply, medical and educational facili- Industry, to change the functioning and ties etc. This will be evident from the follow- structure of coal industry/collieries and to ing table:-

/tern Position at the time of Position at the end %age increase of nationalisation. ' of 1988

Housing i ,18,366 2,94,570 149% (No. of houses) (No. of houses)

Water Supply 2,27,300 19,41,378 754% (Population covered) (Population covered)

Within the geographical spread of ell ing on a retirement benefit scheme for ~s coal companies, there are 602 primary employees. The details of the scheme are schools, 231 middle schools, 152 high yet to be finalised. schools, 9 colleges and 25 Central Schools. The coal companies make suitable grants- [English] In-aid to these educational institutions and help them in other ways to augment their Electrification of Villages In Rajasthan educational facilities which are availed of by the wards of their employees. The coal 4759. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: companies are also encouraging establish- Witl the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to ment of cooperative institutions, bank state: branches etc. for benefit of their workforce. The coal companies run 77 hospitals, with (a) the number and percentages of 4,533 beds, and 417 dispensaries and have villages electrified in Rajasthan till date, , ,241 Medical Officers and 200 Specialists district-wise; Who provide uninterrupted medical attention to their employees. (b) whether Jaisalmer district of Rajast- han is lagging behind all the districts in (b) and (c). Coal India lim~ed is work- electrification; Writt9fJ Answers APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 412

(c) if so, the reasons therefor; (b) Yes, Sir.

(d) the programme of the Rural Electri- (c) The slow progress of village electn- fICation Corporation for electrification of vil- fication in Jaisalmer district can be attributed lages in Rajasthan especially in Jaisalmer to desert conditions, remoteness of the ar- district; eas to be electrified. low density of population. etc. (e) whether any special attention is proposed to be given to this border district of Rajasthan; and {d)to (f). The Planning Commission has set a target of electrHication of 942 villages in (f) if so, the details thereof? Rajasthan during 1989-89. The Rajasthan State Electricity Board has proposed to elec- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE trify 5 villages in Jaisalmer district during DEPARTMENT OF POWER INTHE MINIS- 1988-89. Eleven schemes envisaging elec- TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAI): trification of 118 villages and 8 pumpsets (a) Details of district-wise number and per- have so far been sanctioned by REC for this centage of villages electrified in Rajasthan District. Financial assistance had also been as on 31st January, 1989 are given in the provided by REC for two single phase Statement below. schemes during 1986-87.

STATEMENT

Oistrictwise Villages Electrified In Rajasthan as on 31.1.1989.

SL.NO. Districts Villages Electrified as on 31.1.1989 (%AGE Covered 1 2 3

1. Ajmer 713 (77.2)

2. Alwar 1526 (80.7)

3. Banswara 809 (56.0)

4. Barmer 478 (56.0)

5. Bharatpur 895 (67.4)

6. Dholpur 313 (58.2)

7. Bhilwara 1387 (91.7)

8. Bikaner 448 (78.5)

9. Bundi 591 (81.5)

10. Chittorgarh 1467 (68.4) 413 WMten Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answen .,.

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11. Churu 560 (65.5)

12. Dungarpur 566 (68.0)

13. Jaipur 2153 (79.6)

14. Jaisalmer 83 (18.0)

15. Jalore 534 (88.7)

16. Jhunjhunun 663 (96.2)

17. Jhalawar 811 (56.2)

18. Jodhpur 642 (91.1)

19. Kota 1367 (71.9)

20. Nagaur 993 (81.2)

2L Pali 798 (97.6)

22. Sawai-Madhopur 991 (64.6)

23. Sikar 813 (1,00.0)

24. Sirohi 429 (99.1)

25. Sri Ganganagar , 325 (35.0)

26. Tonk 561. (55.2)

27. Udaipur 2027 (65.0)

Allocation of Gas for Thermal Power 600 MW gas Turbine Thermal Power Station Station at Vypeen, Cochin at Vypeen, Cochin; and , 4760. SHRf VAKKOM PU- (b) It so, 1he r~sponse of Governmen1 RUSHOTHAMAN: Will the Minister of thereto? PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THi (a) whether Government of Kerala has MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATU- sought commitment from Union Govern- RAL GAS (SHRI BRAHM DUll): (a) Yes, ment for allocation of gas for the proposed Sir. 415 Wrltt9n AnswBfs APRil 4, 1989 Written Answ9rs 416

(b) Government of Kerala has been ments/ Union Territories. Comprehensive informed that as no natural gas is available guidelines were issued to ~tate Govern- in Kerala, it would not be possible to commit mentslUnion Territories in December, 1988. gas for the power station at present. They have been requested to send their proposals preferably by 30th April, 1989. STD Facility In Towns of West Bengal There is no dealy in the implementation of the Scheme. 4761. OR. PHULRENU GUHA: Will the Minister of COMMUN ICATIONS be pleased Indo-French Cooperation in the Field of to state: Telecommunication

(a) whether it is proposed to provide 4763. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: STo facility in more towns and sub-divisions Will the Minister of COMMUN ICATIONS be in West Bengal in 1989 and 1990; and pleased to stale;

(b) if so, the names of the towns and (a) whether Indo-French cooperation in sub-divisions to be provided with STD facility the field of telecommunication was estab- during the above period? lished in 1982;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the services made available to MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Indian since 1982.-under the agreement; GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) whether France has reviewed the (b) Memari, Kurseong, Balurghat, Jal- bilateral cooperation agreement this year; paiguri, Berhampore, Bankura, Palta, Con- and tai and Alipurdurar. (d) if so, the details of latest technology Setting up of Growth Centres proposed to be provided by France in the field of telecommunication? 4762. SHRISOMNATHRATH: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI GIRIDHAR (a) whether a scheme and the campr e- GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. hensive guidelines a well as the action pbn

I ,r setting up 100 growth centres in the (b) The services made available are hdckward areas were prepared; given in the Statement below.

(b) whether the implementation of the (c) Yes, Sir. programme has been delayed; and (d) There is no such proposal under the Cc) if so, the reasons therefor? bilateral Agreement.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- The following services have been made OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- available: TRY (SHRI M. ARLJNACHALAM): (a) to (c). The Government have allocated 61 Growth (i) Assistance in setting up training Centres in the first phase to State Govern- facilities in India for E-1 DB System. 417 Written Answers CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Wntten Answers 418

(II) AsSistance In setting up a reliability [English] centre for testing the components used In E-10B manufacture Loss to TelecommUnication Oepart- ment In Kerala 011) Assistance In the Introduction of E- 10B system In the country. In the 4765 PROF K V THOMAS Will the field of management, operation Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased and maintenance testing and to stnte computer applICations for network planmng (a) the loss to the Department of Tele- communications dUring the last two years (IV) Assistance In setting up a factory to due to the agitation of workers In Kerala, and produce E-1 OB equipment (b) what actIon has been taken against [ TranslatIOn] the employees who have damaged the communication equlpments In Kerala? Upgradation of Bhandaro Branch Office in Bihar THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMMUNICIATIONS 4764 SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) (a) As the SINGH Will the Minister of COMMUNICA agitation was only by a section of the staff TIONS be pleased to state there has been no loss of revenue Revenue has Infact gone up dUring the last two years (a) whether there IS a demand for the bifurcation of RaJdhanwar P& T Sub office vf (b) One employee concerned was Glrldlh dlstnct 10 Bihar and upgradatlon of suspended and transferred and disciplinary Bhandaro branch office as a Sub-office, proceedings from major penalty are In progress (b) whether It has been clarified that no extra expenditure IS required In upgrading Pending Applications of Telephone

Bhandaro branch as a Sub-office I and Connections In Kerala

(c) If reply to parts (a) and (b) above be 4766 PROF K V THOMAS In affirmative the time by which Government PROF P J KURIEN proposed to Issue orders for upgradatlon of SHRI V S VIJAYARAGHA- Bhandaro branch office as Sub office? VAN

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI TIONS be pleased to state GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) (a) Yes, Sir (a) the number of applications for telephone connections pending In Kerala till 31 (b) and (c) Additional expenditure by December, 1988 district Wise, and way of rent for accommodation would have to be Incurred Further, the eXisting work (b) the steps taken to give telephone load of the branch office does not also Justify connections to these applicants In Kerala? Its upgradatlon Therefore, the proposal IS not being conSidered at present THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 419 Wrhten Answers APRil 4, 1989 Written Answers 420

MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI pending in Kerala as on 31st December, GIRIDHARGOMANGO): (a) Thenumberof 1988 district-wise is given as under:- applications for telephone connections

S.No. Name of District Waiting list as on 31. '12.88

1. Alleppy 5239

2. Calicut 11215

3. Cannanore 8945

4. Ernakulam 19690

5. Idukki 3271

6. Kesaragod 5659

7. Kottayam 12016

8. Malappuram 7271

9. Palghat 4732

10. Pathanamthitta 5992

11. Quilon 6696

12. Trichur 12996

13. Trivandrum 12227

14. Wynad 1759

(b) It is proposed to provide about media of Doordarshan to cater to the needs 15000 new connections during 1989-90. of far-off distance student joining the open The remaining applicants will be provided universities under the new National Educa- telephone connections progressively during tion Policy; and the Eighth Plan Period. (b) if so, the dealine fixed by Doord- Doordarshan Media for New National arshan to have 100 per cent coverage in the Education Policy entire country?

4767. SHRI HUSSAIN DALWAI: Will THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- the Minister of INFORMATION AND TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- BROADCASTING be pleased to state: FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): (a) and (b). Indira (a) whether it IS proposed to use the Gandhi National Open University (IGNOU) 421 Writtsn AnStY9'S CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Wri"enAnsW9~ 422 had approached Doordarshan for allotment [English] of fixed time for telecast of special programmes prepared by the University for the bene- Restaurant at T.V. Tower, Pltampura fit of their students. This was considered and Doordarshan had expressed its wllllIlQness 4769. SHRIMATI D.K. BHANDARI: to spare a suitable time chunk for telecast of Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND these programmes. It is, therefore. for the BROADCA,STlNG be pleased to state: University authorities to avail of this opportunity. (a) whether the revolVing restaurant at T.V. Tower, Pltampura has started function- so far as extensIOn of Doordarshan's Ing; services to cover the entire country is concerned, it requires a massive mobilisatIOn of (b) If not, the reasons therefor; resources and can, therefore, be undertaken only in a phased manner depending (c) whether any tentative programme upon the availability of resources for thiS has been drawn up to open thiS restaurant to purpose In the future plans of TV ExpanSion. the publiC;

[ Translation] (d) If so, the details thereof; and

Arrears payable by State Electricity (e) If not, the reasons therefor? Boards to Public Sector Undertakings THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 4768. SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY: TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to FORMATION AND BROADCASTING state: (SHRI H.K L. BHAGAT): (a) No. Sr.

(a) the arrears payable by the State (b) to (e). The restaurant at the tower Electricity Board to various Public Sector can be established only after certain pend- Undertakings, State-wise; Ing anCillary works are completed. The time frame for Its establishment IS also depend- (b) the States which have cleared their ent on a SUitable agency Willing to run the dues on thiS account' upto 1988-89; restaurant and on prOVISion of sufficient security arrangements to ensure the safety of the tower. (c) the reasons for not cleanng the arrears by remaining States; and Teleprinter I Telex Connection

4770. SHRIMATI D.K. BHANDARI: (d) the steps taken so far by Govern- Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be ment in this regard? pleased to state:

(a) whether the Mahanagar Telephone THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Nigam Limited proVides the facilities of tele- DEPARTMENT OF POWER IN THE MINIS- printer, telex etc. In addition to telephone TRY OF ENERGY (SHRI KALP NATH RAJ): connections; (a) to (d). The information is being collected and shall be laid on the Table of the House. (b) If so, the details thereof; 423 Written AnSW9fS APRIL 4, 1989 Written Answers 424

(c) the cr~eria for provision of these GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. connec1ions and charges thereof; (b) Telecom. Services like telex, tele- (d) the formalities required to be fuHilled printer, data lines and leased speech lines by the subscribers for having these facilities; etc. are provided by Mahanagar Telephone Nigam in addition to Telephone connec- (e) whether the crheria and charges for tions. those facilities are the same all over the country; and (c.) and (d). The information is given in the Statement below (f) tf not, the reasons therefor? (e) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (f) Does not arise.

STATEMENT

1. These Telecom. Services are provided on receipf of application on prescribed form subject to availability and technical feasibility.

2. The charges for various services are given below:

I. T81ex Connections:

The connections are provided on demand. There is no waiting list for the telex connections.

The charges for the telex connections are as under :-

A. Cost of application form Rs. 25/- B. Security deposit charged once only Rs. 10,000/-

C. Annual rent for the telex machme:- i) Electromechanical Rs. 4,500/- ii) Electronic Rs. 8,100/- Annual rent for the line: i) Upto 5 Km. radial distance (local area). Rs. 1,500/- ii) for each additional Km. or part thereof be yond local area not exceeding 5 Kms. Rs. 4501- per Km.

iii) for each additional Km. or part there of exceeding 5 Kms. beyond local area (effective from 1.8.88) and a~ undertaking to retain the connection for minimum 3 years. For this is addition to the advance rent for 1 year, the hirer shall have to tender security for the rental of balance in the form of National Saving Certificate or Post Office Saving Bank deposit or a Bank Guarantee Rs. 1,500/- 425 Written Answers CHAITRA 14.1911 (SAKA) Written Answ91S 426

II. Leased Circuits 1.3 Teleprinter Circuits:

The circuits are provided on demand i) Annual rental for channel is subject to technical feasibility e.g. Rs. 1251- per km. or part availability of channels, junctions cable threreof. pairs, local leads etc. ii) Annual rental for local leads at The charges are as given below:- each end is Rs. 1400/- for the 1st km. or part thereof, Rs. 80 (1) Long per km. for every additional distance circuits: km. or part thereof upto 5 kms. and Rs. 1500/- per km. for the 1. 1) Speech Circuits: every additional km. beyond 5 kms. i) Annual rental for channels is Rs. 4001- perkm. or part thereof. iii) Installation charges at both ends for the circuits are same ii) Annual rental for local leads at as in (1.1) & (iii) above. both ends is Rs. 1400/- for.the 1st Km. or part thereof, Rs. iv) Annual rental for electro-me- 800/- per Km. for every addi- chanical teleprinter machine tional km. and part thereof is Rs. 45001- per machine at . upto 5 kms. and Rs. 1500/- per each end, if provided by the km. for every additional km. department. and part thereof beyond 5 kms. v) Annual rental for electronic machine is Rs. 8100/- per iii) Installation charges of Rs. 2001 machine at each end, if pro- - at each end (chargable for both the ends). vided by the department.

1 . 2) Data Circuits: vi) Security of Rs. 10,0001- per teleprinter machine is to be i) Annual rental for channels is deposited in advance. Rs. 500/- per km. 2. Local Circuits:- ii) Rental for local leads and installation charges at both ends are same as those in 2.1 Non-Exchange/Hot Lines (P. Wire (1.1), (ii) & (iii) above. cet)

iii) Additional annual Licence fee i) Annual rental for local leads is of Rs. 5000/- per termination same as in (1.1) & (ii) above. of trunk data cct. & for tie line accessible from more than one location is chargeable in ii) Installation charges of Rs. case of a multi user data cct. 8001- at each end (chargable t network. for both the ends). 427 Written Answers APRIL 4, 19~9 Written Answers 428

2.2. Data Circuits:- the entire period of the undertaking.

i) Annual rental for the first km. is Investment in Public and Private Sector As. 1750/- or part thereof. Rs. Enterprises 10001- per km. for every additional km. or part thereof upto 4771. DR. DIGVIJA Y SINH: Will the 5 kms. and Rs. 1875/- for Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: every additional km. or part thereof beyond 5 kms. (a) the total investment in public sector enterprises; . ii) Insta"ation charges of Rs. 800/- at each end (chargeable . (b) the total investment in private sector for both ends) enterprises; and

iii) In addition to above, annual (c) the export earnings from public licence fee of Rs. 50001- is sector enterprises vis-a-vis private sector chargeable for per termination enterprises? as in (1.2) (iii) above. THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI 2.3 Teleprinter Circuits: J. VENGALA RAO): (a) The total investment in terms of gross block in the Central i) Annual rental for the circuits is Public Sector Enterprises as on 31.3.88 was Rs. 125/- per km. or part Rs. 82150.16 crores. thereof. (b) As per the available information the ii) Installation fee is Rs. 2001- at total invested capital.in private sector by the each end (chargeable for both registered factories covered under Annual the ends). Survey at Industries as on 31.3.1985 was Rs. 28849.98 crores. iii) Rental for teleprinter machines are same as in (1.3) (c) The total overall export earnings as (iv), (v) above and the security on 31.3.88 were Rs. 15741.23 crores (provi-

IS same as 10 (I.")). ~ VI) aou ,I;.,. ~Iondili It:VISeO) 01 WllIch Rs. 4252.34 crores were earned by the ~entral Public For both long distance circuits and local Sector Enterprises. circuits, if the local lead is more than 5 kms. at any end, then the hirer has to submit Reservation for Physically Handi- undertaking for retaining the local lead por- capped in Public Undertakings tion for a minimum period of three years. Accordingly security or bank guarantee has 4772. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Min- to be given in advance to cover the rental for ister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Written Answers CHAfTRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) ~rm9nAnsw9~ 430

(a) whether any steps have been taken of medicines by the end of the 20th century to secure representation to the physically when the country is pledged to achieve the handicapped on the Boards of Public Under- goal of health for all by 200 A.D. and its takings; value?

(b) if so, the details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI (c) if not, the reasons thereof? . J. VENGAL RAO): (a) The value of production of bulk drugs and formulations for the THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI year 1987-88 was Rs. 480 crores and Rs. J. VENGAL MO): (a) to (c). The existing 2350 crores respectively. guidelines of the Bureau of Public Enter- prises provide for reservation to the extent of 3% of vacancies in Group 'e" and '0" posts (b) As per a study got conducted by this in public enterprises for the physically handi- Ministry, the estimated value of production capped. There is no reservation for any of bulk drugs and formulations by the year specHied category of persons including 2000 A.D. is Rs. 2128 crores and Rs. 7342 physically handicapped for appointment to crores respectively. Board level posts in public enterprises. The policy of Government with regard to the Use of Plastics In Agriculture constitution of the Board of Directors of public enterprises is to select persons with proven record in the fields of administration, 4774. SHRI V. KRISHNARAO: Willthe industry, commerce, etc. so as to make the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Board of Directors of Public enterprises professionally and managerially competent to guide the affairs of the public enterprises. (a) whether Government propose to Within these parameters, claims of'suitable launch a pilot programme to promote the use physically handicapped persons can always of plastics in agriculture; and be considered by the Government.

(b) if so, the places in Karnataka iden- National requirement of Medicines tified under this programme?

4n3. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Will the Ministerof INDUSTRYbe pleased to J. VENGAL RAO): (a) Yes, Si(, state:

(a) the drug production in the country at (b) Dharwar District in Karnataka has present with its value; and been identified for intensive demonstration of plasticulture.

(b) the estimate of national requirement 431 Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 Attomey 432 Summoning the General 12.00 hra.. MR. SPEAKER: Might be ... (/ntSmJfr tions) MOTION RE: SUMMONING THE ATIOR- NEYGENERAL [ Translation]

[English] MR.SPEAKER: Why do you get angry? I will look into it. Please sit down. PROF MADHU DANDAVATE (Ra- japur): Arising out of your adion, I want to [English] say something so that we can implement it. You had referred the matter to the Attorney- SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Basirhat): General. We learn that the Home Minister Did you receive my motion? had written to both the Presiding authorities of the Parliament that they had already MR. SPEAKER: Yes Sir. I did. consu~ed the Attorney-General; and then you sought the opinion. Therefore, since (Interruptions) your ruling is based on the opinion that you privately secured from the Attorney-Gen- SHRI SA TV AGOPAL MISRA (Tamluk): eral, I want to seek your permission to move Yesterday after giving the ruling ...... a motion wmch you allowed yesterday. ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of order. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S. BUT A SINGH): This is the greatest insult PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: You on the Chair. I take very serious objection to told Mr. Jaipal Reddy that he can seek to this remark. He cannot comment on the move a motion inviting the Attorney-Gen- Chair like that. This is devoid of decency. eral. This is highly unp~rliamentary. This should not be allowed to go on record. This IS not a MR. SPEAKER: Not in this connection. question of your person. This is an insult on the Chair. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura): I have also tabled a motion. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: What can I do about it?

PROF P.J. KURIEN (ldukki): In Kerala, (Interruptions) the lives of three MLAs are in danger because of the utterly callous attitude of the MR. SPEAKER: Let us be calm. Marxist Government and agitation is going on. It is something against Parliamentary ( Interruptions) democracy. You should do something. You should express concern for the lives of those MR. SPEAKER: I do not know ... MLA. The Home Minister is here. You direct the Home Minister to makQ a statement. ( Interruptions) ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I cannot bring him to SHRI BASUDEB ACHARlA: Govern- his senses. It is something which he should ment had already consuhed the Attorney- have realised as to what he is talking about. General. This is something derogatory. "Expunged as ordered by the Chair Motion Re. CHAITRA '4, '9" ~SAKA) Attorney ~ Summoning the General ( Interruptions) have got it in my office, I would have put it straight there. [ Translation} SHRI BASUDEB ACHARlA: That letter MR. SPEAKER: You should have a was shown to the Leaders of Opposition in little bit of understanding. It makes no differ- the Rajya Sabha. ence to me. MR. SPEAKER: I do not know. It is not [English] to me. You should take my word her~. If I have got, I would have put it before you. Why I am not me; I am you. I am representing should I hide it? There is no question. you. I might be doing something which I think is right. H I do something wrong, you throw SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mahbu- me out. But as long as I am here, I have to do nagar): Thank for your clarifying. according to what I think and not what you think. It is so simple. PROF. MA[)HU DANDAVATE: There is discrimination b.;;!ween the two Presiding SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: I was making AuthOrities. a submission. Yesterday you had explained that if the Attorney-General has to be invited MR. SPEAKER: Might be. I am the least here, there is a procedure. concerned about this. I am concerned with what I am doing. Now the question is there SHRIBASUDEBACHARIA: Yesterday are four ways to call the Attorney-General. you assured us. (Interruptions) Firstly, he can come to the House himseH, if he wants to, on any question. Secondly, the MR. SPEAKER: I never assured any- Government can call him to give his advice thing. I can only say. about the Attorney- to the House on any matter. Thirdly, the General also, that there is a method; there House can all him by adopting a motion to are simple rules. 1 never challenged that. I that effect. That is now with you, if you want am doing something. Let me do it. Let us be to call him. The fourth one is for me, whether peaceful. I have got that motion. You asked I call him or take his advice. That is for me to me yesterday whether the Government has do it. That I have already done. Now, if you done it or not. I am not responsible for the want him for any other action, it is for you, Government. I am only responsible for my because on this I have given my ruling. I action. I can only seek the advice according heard all about tt in (he House. I consulted to the Constitution. whatsoever books or precedents or rules I could. I consulted the Attorney General on SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Whether my own. I had written to him; I have got it in the Government had written to the Presiding Writing. That is with me. I have gone accord- Officers of Parliament that they have already ing to that. Now if you want to do it, you put consulted the Attorney-General? a motion. Let the House decide.

MR. SPEAKER: I am not concerned PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I have with that. I do not know. given a motion ... (/nterruptions)

( Interruptions) SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: I have given MR. SPEAKER: No. Nothing doing. If I a motion. 435 MotionRB. APRil 4, 1989 Attorney 436 Summoning the General

SHRI BASUDEBACHARIA: On certain SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: The han. points, we want to seek clarifications from Home Minister is apprehending that if the the Attorney-General. Attorney General comes here and gives his advice, it may lead to upsetting your ruling. MR. SPEAKER: Nothing, on that score Why is he making a presumption like that? It you cannot, but otherwise you can. may lead to upholding your ruling and strengthening your ruling. Why is he saying SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: With due like that? respect, the Attorney-General giving his advice to the Parliament is not the same as MR. SPEAKER: Please move your mo- his advice given privately to you. that you tion. can do, you can also ask him, but he must come in the Parliament. I have given a mo- SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTk I beg to tion for that... (Interruptions) move:

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS "That the House resolves to invite (S BUTA SINGH): Sir, before this motion is the Attorney General to the House moved in this House, r would like to make a to give his considered opinion as to brief submission. This is a matter which has whether or not the Thakkar been gone into by this very august House Commission documents laid on yesterday in the form of a breach of privilege. the Table so far, constitute the full All the aspects of this matter have been gone Report, as claimed by the Govern- into ... (Interruptions) ment."

PROF. MANDHU DANDAVATE: Privi- MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved: lege is different; that is for misleading the House. "That the House resolves to invite the Attorney General to the House SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: That is to give his considered opinion as to different. whether or not the Thakkar S. BUTA SINGH: The House has ex- Commission documents laid on pressed itself yesterday in a greater detail the Table so far, constitute the full and at the end, you were kind enough to give Report, as claimed by the Govern· your ruling which is final; You have already ment." consulted the Attorney General and according to the rules, you have given your ruling PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Since yesterday. Now, for this House to send for he has moved his motion, within one minute the Attorney General and getting his opinion I want to quote five precedents. They are will tantamount to upsetting the ruling given very important. by the han. Speaker. Therefore, at this point of time, we are not in favour of calling the MR. SPEAKER: I accept that they have Attorney General. After having consulted been called earlier. . him. you have given a ruling which is final in this House. Therefore, it is another political PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Not move of the opposition parties to reopen the only that, on the issue on which ruHng had issue which has been finally settled through been given by the Speaker.. .. (/nte"uptions) the ruling of the han. ·Speaker... (Interrup- tions) MR. SPEAKER: No discussion. 437 Motion AB. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Attorney 438 Summoning ths General

SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Please ( Intenvptions) allow us to make submissions. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir, I am MR. SPEAKER: No submissions, noth- on a point of order. ing doing. MR. SPEAKER: No point of order. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: This discussion has to precede the motion. ( Interruptions)

SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Why we PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Under want the Attorney General to be called that what rule I am denied the opportunity to needs to be explained .. (/nterruptions) make a few observations in support of the Motion? I have,given an identical Motion and MR. SPEAKER: No question. I want to argue it.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Areyou MR. SPEAKER: I have already admit- admitting it under Rule 184? If a motion is ted his Motion. admitted under Rule 184, in that case when the motion is moved, we have a right to say ( Interruptions) something in support of the motion. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: You MR. SPEAKER: I had asked him, not cannot shut us down like that. you. MR. SPEAKER: No, I am not shutting PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: That is you down. (interruptions) all right. Whosoever moves the motion ... ( Interruptions) [ Translation]

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Under rule MR. SPEAKER: If I had to shut down, 184 and Article 88 of the why should I have allowed it. constitution ... (Interruptions) [English] SHRI BASUDEBACHARIA: Sir, before the Motion is put to vote allow us to make PROF MADHU DANDAVATE: In order submissions. that the House might apply its mind. we want to argue it...(/nterruptions) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I have given an identical Motion. Please permit me SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Under to make a few observations in support of the what Rule are you preventing us from mak- Motion. ing observations?

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Why don't PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, I you allow some Members to express them- have a right to tell the House as to why the selves on this? Motion should be supported. (Interruptions)

SHRr S. JAIPAL REDDY: How is the MR. SPEAKER: Nobody is allowed. House to form a opinion if Members are not alloWed? ( interruptionst %t recorded. 439 Motion Re. APRIL 4,1989 Attorney 440 Summoning the General SHAIINDRAJIT GUPTA: Sir, when you [Trans/ation] permitted the Home Minister to oppose the Motion then you must permit the Members MR. SPEAKER: Two minutes have on this side to speak in support oft he Motion. been given to him. ( Interruptions) ( Interruptions) [ Translation] MR. SPEAKER: Now, please sit down MR. SPEAKER: I have said that I have for two minutes. Pleases it down. admitted it. (Interruptions) ( Interruptions) [English] MR. SPEAKER: Just for a minute order, order, I am working. Why are you disturbing PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, I me? Let me handle the situation. am thankful to you for having confirmed the rules. There is reason why I am supporting ( Interruptions) the motion moved by Shri Indrajit Gupta I have given an identical motion ... MR. SPEAKER: Shri Ram Singh, will you do me a favour. What has to be done THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS now. I have already admitted it, what more (S. SUTA SINGH): What is he supporting do you want now? when the motion is yet to be moved?

SHAI BASUDEB ACHAAIA: I want to MR. SPEAKER: No, He has already express my views. moved the motion.

MR. SPEAKER: What do you want to PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Kindly say, I give you two minutes. tell the Home Minister that the motion IS already moved. ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Yes. He has already MR. SPEAKER: Please, sit down. I will moved his motion. listen to you also. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, I ( Interruptions) want to point out to you that there are certain issues involved in this motion which will set up a precedent for the future. Firstly, while [English] opposing this motion, the Home Minister has said that you have already consulted the Attorney General and you have given the SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Sir, before ruling. Let me go on record that as far as the Prof. Dandavate speaks, I may only point out speaker consulting the Attorney General is that you were not only kind enough to admit concerned, it is his private affair-affair in a my motion, but you permitted the Home good sense, Sir. (Interruptions) Minister to oppose it. Therefore, why should you not allow some Members on this side to MR. SPEAKER: Let him say whatever speak? (Interruptions) he likes. It is his view, not mine. Why are you 441 UotionRs. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Attorney 442 Summoning the General shouting? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: There- (PROF. K.K. TEWARI): Sir, I am on a point fore, the House as a House has the right to of order. Prof. Madhu Dandavate was al- adopt the motion inviting the Attorney Gen- lowed a point of order and in the guise of that eral to oome over here and elucidate his point of order, he was questtoning your rul- views and allow us to seek clarifications. Sir, ing. This is unprecedented. This has never in support of my contention I would like to happened in the House. bring it to the notice of the House through you that on 25.2.1950 when Shri M.e. Setalvad MR. SPEAKER: No please. It was not was the Attorney General, he was here when a point of order. the Preventive Detention Bill was discussed. ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I have seen it. I knew it. h is all right. [ Translation]

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: On MR. SPEAKER: Why can't you keep 9.5.1953 also Shri Setalvad was here when quiet. I WIlli myself listen to all the things. the Vindhya Pradesh Legislative Assembly (Prevention of Disqualification) Bill was dis- ( Interruptions) cussed. Again on 28.2.1956, Shri Setalvad came to the House to give his opinion on the [English] Sales Tax Validation Bill. Shri Oaphtary also came here on 29.4.1963 in connection with MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Tewari, for your the Compulsory Deposits Bill. So, my con- information, my dearfriend, it was not a point tention is that independent of the rulings of order. I allowed him to speak. given by the Speaker, independent of the views held by the Government and inde- ( Interruptions) pendent of the views held by the members of the Opposition, he has been invited here not MR. SPEAKER: Yes. Mr. Acharia, do only to express his views but also to answer you have anything more to add? when the members want his clarifications. Even that is permitted. (Interruptions)

[ Translation] [ Translation]

MR. SPEAKER: I have accepted it. MR. SPEAKER: How can I allow every body? Professor Sahib has already had his ( Interruptions) say.

[English] [English]

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: There- SHRIBASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir, we are fore, through you I want to persuade the not discusing your ruling here. Yesterday majority in the House not to reject the motion also, before you gave your ruling, we pointed but to accept it in the best traditions of this out that the Attorney General must be in- House. (Interruptions) vited. 443 Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 Attorney 444 Summoning the General

MR. SPEAKER: That is over. Do you ready disposed of that matter. That are stiU have anything more to add? persisting ... (Interruptions)

( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. I know it. I am trying to do it. And let me do it. SHRI T. BASHEER (Chirayinkil): How long will they take the time of the House? SHRI T. BASHEER: Under what rule are they permitted? (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Do you want to make it longer? Please sit down. MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. I overruled you. What is this? Mr. Minister, SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji): can you ask him to sit down? Yes Mr. Under what rule is he permitted? Have you Acharia, do you have anything more to add? framed some other rules for the Opposition? ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Pleasesitdown.1 have allowed him. You take your seats. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir, in support of the Motion moved by Shri Indraj~ SHRI T. BASHEER: No Sir. Gupta, I want to make a submission. Yester- day also we pointed out that the Attorney MR. SPEAKER: What no Sir? I ask you General of India be invited ... to sit down. I want you to take your seat. MR. SPEAKER: That has been already ( Interruptions) said. Say If there is something more.

SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: There are [ Translation] many important matters to be discussed. The discussion on Bodo Agitation has been You do not talk about commission. You postponed. How long will they go on wasting have to talk about motion. the time of the House? (Interruptions) SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: He should [ Translation] be Invited. Before you gave your ruling I pointed out that there are some points on MR. SPEAKER: Listen, you are insist- which we want to seek clarifications from ing. It was to take 5 minutes, now it Will take him. 5 hours. MR. SPEAKER: That is over now. [English} [ Translation] The question is that I know perfectly well that we are not discussing the things that we Bhatia;i please sit down calmly. Shri ought to. We have got the Budget also. But Bhatiaji, why are you doing like this? the time is passing away. But I also know which is important. I know everything. Still I have to act accordingly and see that this ,I BASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir, there House might run. Please help me in it. are a number of precedents.

SHRI T. BASHEER: But you have al- ( Interruptions) MotionRe. CHAfTRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) ANomey Summoning the GlJnIJral

MR. SPEAKER: I have heard you. given a rulinlJ that thi~ is the only Report. I There is nothing more you are adding. want t") know from the l\ttorney General this legal point where the executive is account- SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir, before able ... you had oonsulted the Attorney General, the Government had consulted him. MR. SPEAKER: That is what the Motion is for. [ Translation] ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: For God sake, please sit dOwn now. Why are you wasting the time? [ Translation]

[English} MR. SPEAKER: You have concluded.

SHRI BASUDEBACHARIA: That letter Now I put the question ... was not shown to you. SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: I am not MR. SPEAKER: That is all right. Why questioning your ruling. I am only pointing should it be shown to me? I don't under- out the inherent power of the Parliament to stand. call the executive.

SHAI BASUDEB ACHARIA: But it was MR. SPEAKER: I have already told you shown to the Chairman of the other House. that I have read it. There is not problem. Why are you repeating it all the time? MR. SPEAKER: Might be. I do not know. I am concerned with myself. SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: Therefore, the Motion should be put to vote. SHAI DINESH GOSWAMI (Guwahati): I have given a notice also for summoning the MR. SPEAKER: That is what I am Attorney General to the House in exercise of doing. You are not letting me to do it. I am our rights under Article 88 of the doing it. Constitution. SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: But Sir, your MR. SPEAKER: I agree with you. What judgement should not be prejudiced by the IS the point? Home Minister saying that if the Attorney General is called here, your ruling may be SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: The legal upset. point is whether the Parliament has the right to ask the Government to place the docu- MR. SPEAKER: 'am not prejudiced by ments of a Report on which the diSCUSSion IS anybody. I am leaving it to the House be- based. After all the ... cause now it is the property of the House.

[ Translation} (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Tell something new.

[English) SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: Why are they afraid that the Attorney General will upset SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: You have your ruling? ~ 447 Mooon°Rs. APRIL 4, 1989 Attomey 448 Summoning ths GensraJ

MR. SPEAKER: I do not know. Please You are wasting time for nothing. sit down. [English] SHRIINDRAJITGUPTA: He said it. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I want to MR. SPEAKER: I am not judging any- know whether any discussion by the House body. Nor do , want the Parliament to be would be intelligible, without referring to judged. It is aU right. those documents. We would like to seek certain clarifications from the Attorney Gen- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He has eral. not taken him seriously. MR. SPEAKER: The question is [ Translation] "That the House resolves to invite the MR. SPEAKER: Is there any other Attorney General to the House to give point? Please speak, what have you to say? us considered opinion as to whether or not the Thakkar Commission docu- [English] ments laid on the Table so far, constitute the full Report, as claimed by the S~RI S. JAIPAL REDDY: You have the Government". ruling yesterday. But today ... .. The Lok Sabha divided: [ Translation] Division No: 2 MR. SPEAKER: Please let me know, what you want to say. 12.29 hrs.

[English] AYES

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Today, we Abdul Hamid, Shri want to seek clarifications ... Acharia, Shri Basudeb '[ Translation] Athwal, Shri Charnjit Singh MR. SPEAKER: I have heard it. Tell something new. Banatwalla, Shri G.M.

[English] Basu, Shri Anil

SHRI S: JAIPAL REDDY: Not in regard Bhattam, Shri S.M. to your ruling Sir, but in regard to the inherent power of Parliament to have access Chatterjee, Shri Somnath to the documents on the basis of which that Report was prepared. Chowdhary, Shri Saifuddin

[ Translation] Dandavate, Prof. Madhu

MR. SPEAKER: I have already seen it. Datta, Shri Amal 449 MotionRs. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) AItomsy 450 Summoning the General

Dec. Shri V. Kishore Chandra S. Reddy, Shri C. Janga

Dora, Shri H.A. Reddy, Shri K. Ramachandra

Ghosh Goswami, Shrimati Bibha Reddy, Shri S. Jaipal

Gill. Shri M.S. Roy, Dr. Sudhir

Goswami, Shri Dinesh Roypradhan, Shri Amar

Gupta, Shri Indrajit Saba, Shri Ajit Kumar

Hannan Mollah, Shri Saikia. Shri Muhiram

Het Ram Shri Samant, Dr. Datta

tyer, Shri V.S. Krishna Selvendran, Shri P.

Kurup, Shri Suresh Shahabuddin, Shri Syed

'Masudal Hossain, Shri Syed Singh, Shri Ram Narain

Mishra. Shri Vijay Kumar Somu, Shri N.V.N.

Misra, Shri Satyagopal Tanti, Shri Bhadreswar

Mukherjee, Shrimati Geeta Thota, Shri Gopal Krishna

Patel, Dr. A.K. Tulsiram, Shri V.

Pathak, Shri Ananda Walia, Shri Charanjit Singh

Ram Bahadur Singh, Shri NOES

Ramaiah, Shri B.B. Abbasi, Shri K.J.

Ramaiah, Shri Sode Adbul Ghafoor, Shr;

Rao, Shri A.J.V.B. Maheswara Abdullah, Begum

Rao, Shri Srihari Agarwal, Shri Jai Prakash

Reddi, Shri C. Madhav Akhtar Hasan, Shri

Reddy, Shr; Bezawada Papi Alkha Ram, Shri

Reddy, Shri B.N. Anjiah, Shrimati Manemma 451 Motion Re. APRIL 4,1989 Attorney 452 Summoning the General

Ansari, Shri Abdul Hannan Charles, Shri A.

Anthony J Shri P.A. Chaturvedi, Shri Naresh Chandra

Arunachalam, Shri M. Chaturvedi, Shrimati Vidyavati

Awasthi, Shri Jagdish Chavan. Shri Ashok Shankar Rao

Alad. Shri Ghulam Nabi Chavda. Shri Ishwarbhai K.

Bairwa, Shri Banwari Lal Chokka Rao. Shri J.

Bajpai, Dr. Rajendra Kumari Choudhary, Shri Jagannath

Balaraman, Shri L. Dabhi, Shri Ajitsinh

Banerjee, Kumari Mamata Dalbir Singh, Shri

Basavaraju. Shri G.S. Dalwai, Shri Hussain

Basheer, Shri T. Das, Shri Sudarsan

Bhagat, Shri H.K.L. Dennis, Shri N.

Bhakta. Shri Manoranjan Oeora, Shri Murli

Bharat Singh. Shri Dev, Shri Santosh Mohan

Bhardwaj, Shri Para's ram Dhariwal, Shri Shanti

Bhatia, Shri R. L. Dhillon, Dr. G.S.

Bhumij, Shri Haren Oi9al, Shri Radhakanta

Bhuria, Shri Dileep Singh Dighe, Shri Sharad

Birinder Singh, Shri Digvijaya Singh, Shri

Budania, Shri Narendra Dikshit, Shrimati Sheila

Buta Singh, S. Gadgil, Shri V.N.

Chandrakar, Shri Chandulal Gaekwad, Shri Ranjit Singh

Chandrasekhar, Shrimati M. Ghosh, Shri Tarun Kanti

Chandresh Kumari. Shrirnati Gowda, Shri H.N. Nanje 453 AfOOonRe. CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) Attorney 4S4 Summoning the General Guha. Dr. Phulrenu Lowang. Shri Wangpha

Gupta, Shrimati Prabhawati Mahabir Prasad, Shri

Harpal Singh, Shri Mahajan, Shri Y.S.

Jain, Shri Virdhi Chandar Mahalingam, Shri M.

Janarthanan, Shri Kadambur Makwana, Shri Narsinh

Jatav, Shri Kammodilal Malik, Shri Dharampal Singh

Jena, Shri Chintamani Mallick, Shri Lakshman

Jhikram, Shri M.L. Manorma Singh, Shrimati

Kamal Nath, Shri Mehta, Shri Haroobhai

Kamble, Shri Arvind Tulshiram Mishra, Dr. Prabhat Kumar

Kamla Prasad Singh. Shri Mishra. Shri Ram Nagina

Kamson, Prof, Meijinglung Mishra, Shri Shripati

Khan. Shri Khurshid Alam Mishra, Shri Uma Kant

Khan. Shri Mohd. Ayub Misra, Shri Nityananda

Khattri, Shri Nirmal Mohanty. Shri Brajamohan

Kotandaivetu, Shri P. Motilat Singh, Shri

Krishna Pratap Singh, Shri Mundackal, Shri George Joseph

Krishna Kumar, Shri S. Naik, Shri Shantaram'

Krishna Singh, Shri Naikar, Shri D.K.

Kuchan, Shri Gangadhar S. Namgyal, Shri P.

Kumaramangalam. Shri P.R. Nawal Prabhakar, Shrimati Sunderwati

Kunjambu, Shri Nagi, Shri Chandra Mohan Singh

Kurien, Prof. P .J. Netam, Shri Arvind

Law, Shri Asutosh Odeyar, Shri Channa;ah 455 Motion Rs. APRIL 4, 1989 Attorney 456 Summoning th9 Genllra/

Pandey, Shri Damodar Rao, Shri J. Vengala

Panigrahi, Shri Sriballav Rao, Shri K.S.

Panika, Shri Ram Pyare Rao, Shri P.V. Narasimha

Parashar, Prof. Narain Chand Rao, Shri V. Krishna

Pardhi, Shri Keshaorao Rath, Shri Somnath

Patel, Shri U.H. Rathawa, Shri Amarsinh

Patil, Shri BaJasaheb Vlkhe Rathod, Shri Uttam

Patil, Shri Prakash V. Raut, Shri Bhola

Patil, Shri Uttamrao Ravani, Shri Navin

Patil, Shri Veerendra Rawat, Shri Harish

Patnaik, Shri Jagannath Sakargaym, Shri Kalicharan

Panwar, Shri Satyanarayan Sankhawar. Shri Ashkaran

Peruman, Dr. P. Vallal Santosh Kumar Singh, Shri

Purohit, Shri Banwari Lal Satyendra Chandra, Shri

Purushothaman, Shri Vakkon Sathe, Shri Vasant

Rai, Shri Ramdeo Sayeed, Shri P.M.

Raj Karan Singh, Shri Sethi, Shri Ananta Prasad

Rajhans, Dr. G.S. Shaktawat. Prof. Nirmala Kumari

Ram Awadh Prasad, Shri Shankarlal. Shri

Ram Singh. Shri Shankaranand, Shri B.

Rampal Singh, Shri Shanmugam, Shri P.

Rana Vir Singh, Shri Shanti Devi, Shrimati

Ranga, Prof. N.G. Sharma. Shri Chiranji lal

Ranganath, Shri K.H. Sharma, Shri Nand Kishore 457 MotkJn RB. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Attomgy 458 Summoning the General Shervani, Shri Saleem I Tomar, Shrimati Usha Rani

Shivendra Bahadur Singh, Shri Tomb; Singh, Shri N. Tripathi, Dr. Chandra Shekhar Singaravadivel, Shri S. Vanakar, Shri Punam Chand Mithabhai Singh, Shri La! Vijay Pratap Vir Sen, Shri

Singh, Shri S.D. Vyas, Shri Girdhari Lal

Singh Dea, Shri K.P. Wadiyar, Shri Srikanta Datta Yadava, Shri Bal Ram Singh Sodi, Shri Mankuram Yogesh, Shri Yogeshwar Prasad Soz, Prof. Saifuddin Zainul Basher, Shri Sparrow, Shri R.S. MR. SPEAKER: Subject to correction,· Sreenivasa Prasad, Shri V. the result of the division is:

Sukh Ram, Shri Ayes: 50

Sukhadia, Shrimati Indubala Noes: 185

Sukhbuns Kaur, Shrimati The Motion was negatived Sultanpuri, Shri K.D.

Suman. Shri R.P. [English] Sundararaj. Shri MR. SPEAKER: Now we take up Pa- Surendra Pal Singh. Shri pers laid on the Table.

Suryawanshi. Shri Narsingrao Shri Buta Singh. ( Interruptions) Swami Prasad Singh. Shri SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji): Tapeshwar Singh. Shri have given a notice of privilege against Mr. Tewary. Prof. K. K. Jaipal Reddy for disobeying the Chair yesterday. He said that he will not agree to your Thakkar, Shrimati Usha ruling. He has threatened you in this manner .... { Interruptions) Tho rat , Shri Bhausaheb MR. SPEAKER: I will look into it. 'will Ttgga, Shri Simon ask Jaipalii about it (Interruptions)

*The following Members also recorded their votes:- Ayes: Sarvashri H.M. Patel, Zainul Abedin, P. Penchalliah and Ataur Rehman Noes: Dr. Digvijay Sinh, Dr. S.L. Shailesh, Shri Jujhar Singh, Shri Bapulal Malviya, and Shri Madan Pandey. 459 Papsrs Laid APRil 4, 1989 Papers Laid .t6O

DR. SUDHIR ROY (Burdwan): Orissa (ii) Detailed Demands for Grants College and University teachers are squat- (Volume-II) of the Ministry of Home ting before the Boat Club. They are not Affairs (Union Territories without enjoying the benefits of the new pay Legislature) for 1989-90. {Placed scaJe ... (Interruptions) in library. See No. l T-7669J89]

MR. SPEAKER: h is a State subject. Review on the working of and Annual Report of National Bicycle CorporaUon ( Interruptions) of India Ltd. Bombay for 1987-88 and statement for delay In laying these [ Translation] papers

SHRI RAM NAGINA UISHRA (Salem- THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI pur) Mr. Speaker, 'Jungle' party gathered J. VENGAl RAO): lbegtolayonthe Table:- people in the village Marchanva of district Dearia" adjacent to the border of Bihar, Uttar Pradesh and Nepal and shot dead 13 (1) A copy of the following papers people. The people killed by the party be- (Hindi and English versions) under longed to Kori Caste. Mostly Yadavas are sub-section (1) of section 619A of ~members of 'Jungle' party. the Companies Act, 1956:-

MR. SPEAKER: This is a state subject. (i) A Statement regarding Review by the Government on the working SHRI RAM NAGINA MISHRA: It is an of the National Bicycle Corporation international issue. There is terror because of India limited, Bombay, for the of 'Jungle' party. (Interruptions) year 1987-88.

(ii) Annual Report of the National Bicycle Corporation of India lim- 12.31 hrs. ited, Bombay, for the year 1987-88 along with Audited Accounts and PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE Comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon. [English) (2) A statement (Hindi and English Detailed Demands for Grants (Volume I) versions) showing reasons for de- of the Ministry of Home Affairs for 1989- lay in laYing the papers mentioned 90 and Detailed Demands for Grants at (1) above. [Placed in Ubrary. (Volume II) of the Ministry of Home See No. LT-7675/89] Affairs (Union Territories without Legislature) for 1989-90 Review on the working of an Annual Report of Coal India ltd; Calcutta for THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS 1987-88 and statement for delay in (S. SUlA SINGH): I beg to lay on the Table laying these papers a copy each of the following papers (Hindi and English versions):- THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI VASANT SATHE): On behalf of Shri C.K. Jaffar Sharief, I beg to lay on the Table:- "(i) The Detailed Demands for Grants (Volume-I) of the Ministry of Home (1) A copy each of the following papers Affairs for 1989-90. [Placed in (Hindi and English versions) under library. See No. l T-7668/89} SUb-section (1) of section 619A of 461 PapsrsLaid CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Papers Laid 462

the Companies Ad, 1956:- P. Chidambaram. I beg to lay on the Table:-

(ij Review by the Government on the working of the Coal India Lim- (1) A copy each of the following Notifi- ited, Calcutta, for the year 1987 -88. cations (Hindi and English ver· sions) under sub-section (2) of (ii) Annual Report of the Coal India section 3 ot the All India Services limited, Calcutta, for the year Act, 1951:- 1987-88 along with Audited Ac- counts and comments of the (i) The Indian Forest Service (Fixa- Comptroller and Auditor General tion of Cadre Strength) Amend- thereon. ment Regulations, 1989 published in Notification No. G.S.A. 117 (E) in (2) A statement (Hindi and English Gazette of India dated the 22nd versions) showing reasons for de- February, 1989. lay in laying the papers mentioned at (1) above. [Placed in Library. (ii) The Indian Administrative Serv- See No. l T-7676189] ice (Pay) Third Amendment Rules, 1989 published in Notification No. Notification under Industries (Develop- G.S.A. 336 (E) in Gazette of India ment and Regulations Act) dated the 1st March. 1989.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (iii) The Indian Administrative DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVEL- Service (Fixation of Cadre OPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUS- Strength) Second Amendment TRY (SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM): I beg to RegUlations, 1989 published in lay on the Table a copy of the Notification No. Notification No. G.S.A. 340 (E) in S.O. 172(E) (Hindi and English versiGns) Gazene of India dated the 3rd published in Gazette of India dated 3rd March, 1989. March, 1989 making certain amendment to Notification No. 5.0. 629(E) dated the 30th (il/) The Indian Administrative June, 1988 reserving certain items for pro- Service (Pay) Second Amendment dudion in the Small Scale Sector deleting Rules, 1989 published in Notifica- certain items from the reserved list and revis- tion No. G.S.A. 341 (E) in Gazette ing nomenclature of certain items in the list, of India dated the 3rd March, 1989. under sub-section (2H) of section 29B of the Industries (Development and Regulation) (v) G.S.A. 351 (E) published in Act, 1951. [Placed in Library. See No. LT- Gazette of India dated the 10th 7677/89] March, 1989 constituting for the Notifications under All India Services States of Arunachal Pradesh-Goa- Act, 1951 and Administrative Tribunals Mizoram and Union Territories, an Act, 1985; Detailed Demand for Grant~ of Indian Forest Service Cadre and the Ministry of Personnel, Public gr~v. abolishing the Indian Forest Serv- ances and Pensions for 1989-90. Annual ice Cadre of Union Territories. Report, Audited ACcounts and statement ra review on the working of Kendriya Bhandar (Central Government Employ- (vi) The Indian Forest Service ees Consumer Cooperative Society Ltd. (Fixation of Cadre Strength) Sec- New Delhi for 1987-88 ond Amendment Regulations, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1989 published in Notification No. MINlSTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI G.S.R. 352(E) in Gazette of India SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): On behalf of Shri dated the 10th March, 1989. 463 Papers Laid APRIL 4, 1989 Estimates Committ69 Repotts 464

(viij The Indian Forest Service the Table:- (Pay) Amendment Rules, 1989 published in Notification No. (1) A ropy each of the following pa- G.S.R. 353(E) in Gazette of India pers (Hindi and English versions) dated the 10th March. 1989. under sub-section (1) of section [Placed in Ubrary. See No. LT- 619A of the Companies Act, 1956:- 7676/89)

(2) A copy of the Central Administra- (i) Review by the Government on tive Tribunal (Salaries and allow- the working of the Rehabilitation ances and Conditions of Service of Plantations Limited. Punalur. for Chairman. Vice-Chairman and the year 1987-88. Members) Amendment Rules, 1989 (Hindi and English versions) (ii) Annual Report of the Rehabili- published in Notification No. tation Plantations Limited, Pun- G.S.R. 120 (E) in Gazette of India alur, for the year 1987-88 along dated the 22nd February. 1989 with Audited Accounts and com- under subsection (i) of section 37 ments of the Comptroller and Audi· of the Administrative Tribunals Act, tor General thereon. 1985. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-7671 189] (2) A statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for de· (3) A ropy oftha Detailed Demands for lay in laying the papers mentioned Grants (Hindi and English ver- at (1) above. [Placed in Library. sions) of the Ministry of Personnel. See No. LT. 7674/89] Public Grievances and Pensions for 1989-90. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-7672189] 12.32 hrs. (4) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of the ESTIMATES COMMITTEE Kendriya Bhandar (Central Gov- ernment Employees Consumer [English] Co-operative Society Limited), New Delhi, for the year 1987-88 Sixty-eighth and Sixty-ninth reports along w~h Audited Accounts. (ii) A statement (Hindi and English SHRI ASUTOSH LAW (Dum Dum): versions) regarding Review by the beg to present the following reports: Government on the working of the Kendriya Bhandar (Central Gov- (i) 68th Report (Hindi and English ernment Employees Consumer versions) of Estimates Committee Co-operative Society limited). on Action Taken by Government New Delhi. for the year 1987-88. on the recommendations con- [Placed in Library. See No. LT- tained in the 58th Report of the 7673/89] Committee (8th Lok Sabha) on the Ministry of Communications (De- Review on the working of and Annual partment of Posts )-postal Serv- Report of RehabliHation Plantations ices in Rural Areas. Ltd. Punalur for 1987-88 and statement for delay in laying these papers (ii) 69th Report (Hindi and English THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE versions) of Estimates Committee MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI on Action Taken by Government SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): I beg to lay on on the recommendations con- 465 Statement Re. CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) Contingency of Fund 466 Withdrawal of Money from for depositing in Delhi High Court

tained in the 59th Report of the 12.33 1/2 hrs. Committee (8th Lok Sabha) on the Ministry of Communications (De- CHANDIGARH DISTURBED AREAS partment of Telecommunica- (AMENDMENT) BILL· tions)-Telecommunication Serv- ices in Rural Areas. [English]

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S. BUTA SINGH): I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill to amend the Chandigarh 12.32 1/2 hrs. disturbed Areas Act, 1983.

MR. SPEAKER: The question is: STATEMENT RE: WITHDRAWAL OF MONEY FROM THE CONTINGENCY "That leave be granted to introduce a FUND OF INDIA FOR DEPOSITING IN Bill to amend the Chandigarh Dis- THE DELHI HIGH COURT turbed Areas Act, 1983."

[English) The motion was adopted.

S. BUTA SINGH: I introduce the Bill THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): An advance of Rs. 47,73.000/- is being sought from the 12.34 hrs. Contingency Fund for depositing in the Delhi High Court by 9th April. 1989 in compliance MA TIERS UNDER RULE 377 of its order dated 30th Jan., 1989 passed in Execution Case No. 158188 "Abdul Wahid & [ Translarion] Others-Vs-Union of India". No provision could be made for this unforeseen charged (i) Need to open an Ordinance ---expenditure in the Budget under "Demand Factory at Chatra, Bihar No. 44" and it was too late for inclusion in the last batch of Supplementary Demand for the SHRI YOGESHWAR PRASAD YO- year 1988-89. GESH (Chatra): Mr. Speaker Sir, Bihar is famous in the whole of India for its mineral wea~h. 41 per cent of the entire minerals of The Delhi High Court decided the case the whole of India are exploited from the are against the Government holding that the a around Chotta Nagpur and scarce mineral procedure followed in acquiring the land like Uranium is found only in the Plateau of under Resettlement of Displaced persons Bihar. (Land Acquisition) Act. 1948 was defective and void. The Department has already filed 12.34 hrs. an appeal against the order before the Divi- sion Bench and the same is still pending. [SHRI SHARAD DIGHE in the Chai~ The court has however, directed that decre- tal amount should be deposited in court by Forests of Chotta Nagpur, its seasonal 9th April, 1989 irrespective of the appeal. rivers and other natural resources are very Hence it is proposed to withdraw an amount useful for the country. Chatra is such an of As. 47.73.000/- from Contingency Fund. Parliamentary constituency which is very backward in all respects and is facing terrible poverty whereas it can be termed 'Rat- ·Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary. Part Ii, section 2 dated 4.4.89. 467 Matters Under APRIL 4, 1989 Ru19377 468

(Sh. Yogeshwar Prasad Yogesh] also been withdrawn, adding to the miseries of people belonging to Arunachal. I, there· nagarbha'. It is a very appropr~ate site for an fore, call upon the Union Government to ordnance factory to produce strategic arms immediatety restore 3 days direct flight from which is proposed to be established by the New Delhi for Arunachal Pradesh upto Government. Neelanchal and Amjhar rivers Dibrugarh and back and connecting are also quite adjacent and are continuous Vayudoot flight from Dibrugarh to Ulabari source of water. Therefore it will be very airport the nearest airport to hanagar till a suitable place for setting up ordnance fac- modern airport is constructed at hanagar. tory. Keeping in view the poverty and economic problems of the people of this area [ Trans/ation] and availability of labour in abUndance. this place is most suitable in every respect for (iii) Need to open a Central School in ordnance factory. It may also be mentIOned Faizabad City (Uttar Pradesh) that the officials of the Department of Survey have already visited the place and inspected SHRI NIRMAL KHATTRI (Faizabad): the area Faizabad city (Unar Pradesh) is a divisional headquarter but there are no good schools In view of above I urge the Government for education there. A Kendriya Vidyalaya to establish an ordnance factory at Chatra. situated in contonement area is not sufficient to meet the educational facility needed for [English1 the wards of Defence personnel. It is becoming nearly impossible for the Govt. Servants (II) Need for restoring direct flight an(.other citizens to get their children admit· from New Deihl to Dibrugarh ted in the existing educational institutions. (Assam) and back and connect- Keeping this in view and in accordance with Ing Vayudoot flight from Dibru- the conditions prescribed by the Ministry of garh to Lllabarl Airport Education for opening a Kendriya Vidyalaya, one more Kendriya Vidyalaya can be SHRI WANGPHA LOWANG opened in Faizabad city. I. therefore request (Arunachal East): Every State capital of the the Ministry to take steps to establish a country is connected with the Union capital Kendriya Vidyalaya in Faizabad city. through direct flights of Indian Airlines and where it is not possible to connect any State (Iv) Need to construct a railway capital with the Union capital, arrangements bridge at Pahleja Ghat in North have been made to connect any major city/ Bihar town of the concerned State with the Union capital, directly. But unfortunately, neither SHRI KRISHNA PRATAP SINGH (Ma- the capital of Arunachal Le. Itanagar nor any harajganj): Bihar State is divided into two other town of the State has been linked by parts. Area falling north to the Ganges is the Indian Airlines, directly with Delhi. In the known as north Bihar. Because of the present age when a person can reach any Ganges, a big part of the state seems to have part of the world in one day, it takes two days no link with the state capital. There are no to reach Arunachal Pradesh from New Delhi. railway facilities to reach Patna Before The strong and genuine demand of con- Gandhi Setu (A road bridge) was constructing a modern airport at Itanagar has structed people had to take resort to not been favourably considered so far. steames. Now people go by road. There has been a long persistent demand to construct Instead of taking steps to improve the a railway bridge at Pahlejo Ghat. It was situation, the prevailing 3 days flights in expected that a provision will be made in the every week upto Dibrugarh, the nearest current railway budget but this could not be existing airport of Arunachal Pradesh, have possible. 469 Matters Under CHAITRA 14~ 1911 (SAKA) Ru1e377 470

Therefore, I request that a railway san attitude towards the people of this city. If bridge should be constructed at Pahleja a T.V. Centre is established in Kanpur. it will Ghat for which survey has already been benefit not only the residents of Kanpur city conducted. but also the people living in adjacent districts like Etawah, Fatehpur. Unna, Bandao, [English1 Hamirpur. Farukhabad etc. and the entire area will have its development in a new (v) Need to Import sufficient Phos- direction. h will contribute to increase the phatic Acid for Interrupted run- knowledge. source of entertainment and ning of all the four units of Phos- cultural development of the people and it will phatic fertilizer Plant also be a source of getting some information regarding agriculture and other daily sub- SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK jects of common interest. ((Jagatsinghpur): The Phosphatic Fertiliser plant imports its raw material phosphatic It is, tl- ~refore, my submission that the acid from abroad. Now there is severe scar- Government should arrange to establish a city of this raw material. Due to want of T. V. Centre at Kanpur in the coming eighth proper coordination the raw materials are five year plan. not being imported according to the demand of Paradeep. As a result of that 3 out of 4 [English] units have been closed down. Only one unit is producing 30 metric tonnes (DAP) Oi- (vll) Need to look Into the working of Amonia Phosphate per day. If the situation National School of-Drama, New remains like this, many employees particu- Deihl larly the poor workers will be thrown out of employment. In order to check the crisis, I SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH (Uluberia): urge upon the Government to establish Sir. the National Schoo! of Drama, New Delhi im mediate contact with the concerned coun- is one of the premier institutions in the field of try to suPPly phosphetic acid so that all the training dramatic personnel in the country. four un~s of the plant start operation and the At present, a total of fifty-four students from crisis is averted. all overthe country are studying there in the three year diploma course. [ Translation] The students of the school have been (vi) Need to set up a T.V. Station in on strike since 14th March, 1989 and four of Kanpur (U.P.) the students have been on indefinite hunger strike (fast unto death) since March 29, SHRI JAGDISH AWASTHI (Bilhaur): 1989. The main demand of the students are Mr. Chairman. Sir. I would like to give the (a) the restructuring of the existing academic following information to the Government structure of the school; (b) the reinstatement through you under rule 3n. of a first year student of the school who is the victim of the faulty academic syst~, and (c) Kanpur is an important city not only of a high level inquiry against a teacher who is Uttar Pradesh but also of the country as a allegedly vitiating the academic atmosphere whole. Importance of this city cannot be in the Institute. ignored in view of its historical. cultural. commercial. Industrial and Geographical The existing academic structure which background and also of its population. If all includes the entr.a'nce test, the syllabus. the these things are taken into consideration time table. the teaching methods and evalu- then one is bound to reach at a conclusion ation system are in urgent need of thorough that the absence of a T.V. Centre in this restructuring so that it can be made mean- industrial city of India is nothing but a part i- ingful and academically constructive. But in Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-state 472 Rsort of Commission Relations

[Sh. Hannan Mollah] took place .•. ( Interruptions)

spite of repeated demands for the last sev- SHRI N.V.N. SOMU (Madras North): eral years for such an exercise, no action Mr. Chairman, Sir, he is always trying to has been taken so far. As a result, the bring in here the affairs of the Tamil Nadu relations between the authorities and stu- Assembly. On that day also I protested like dents are deteriorating, resutting in the pres- anything. h has no relevancy at aU. ent unfortunate situation. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: There is a I urge upon the Government to come relevancy, Sir. forward in the interest of the students and the institution, and remove the genuine griev- MR. CHAIRMAN: Refer to it as far as rt ances of the students so that the institution is is relevant to the Sarkaria Commission's able to serve the nation in a better way. Report. That is all. Don't go into the details beyond that. (vIII) Need to Improve the working of telephone system In rural areas SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Sir,l am not of Andhra Pradesh going into the details. The violent incident that took place in the Tamil Nadu Assembly SHRI A.J.V.B. MAHES WARA RAO is a black mark in the history of Tamil Nadu (Amalapuram): Sir, in rural areas of Andhra and also on the country as a whole. Actually, Pradesh, the telephone exchanges are not the Chief MinisterofTamilnadu remarked on working properly. On account of this, the the Lok Sabha, when 63 Members of the subscribers are facing lot of problems. I, Opposition had been suspended. He had therefore, request the Union Government to stated that it was a black mark on the coun- improve the working of the telephone sys- try. When he has suspended more than 29 tem in Andhra Pradesh by installing auto- Members of the Assembly, is it not a black matic dialling system. STD facilities may mark in the history of Tamil Nadu? Not only also be provided to these areas of Amalapu- that, Sir. Under the very nose of the Chief ram parliamentary constituency. Minister the leader of the Opposition and the other Opposition leaders have been assaulted. (Interruptions)

12.44 hrs. SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: Sir, the Chief Minister was assaulted in the Assembly, his MOTION RE: REPORT OF THE budget papers were snatched and his spec- COMMISSION ON CENTRE-STATE tacles were broken. One Minister is in the RELATIONS-CONTO. hospital and another MLA is also in the hospital. [English] MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Kolandaivelu. MR. CHAIRMAN: Now we shall go to don't bring in all the details of incident that the next item-further consideration of the took place in the Assembly. If it has any motion moved by Shri Buta Singh on 30th relevance to any point in the Sarkana March, 1989. Shri P. Kolandaivelu was on Commission recommendations, then you his legs. He may continue his speech. can mention.

SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU (Gobichetti- SHRt P. KOLANDAIVElU: I am stating palayam): Sir, on Friday I was speaking with the relationship between the States and the regard to the abuse of power by the Chief Centre which must be cordial and there Ministers of some States. On 25th of March, should not be any strained relation between 1989, in the Tamil Nadu Assembly, violence the States and the Centre. 473 Motion Re. CHAfTRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 474 Report of Commission Relations

SHRI C. MAOHAV REDOI (AdiJabad): any point which is connected with the Sar- Sir, he can state in a general way. But he karia Commission's Report. should not refer to the Tamil Nadu Assembly alone. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Sir, the lady Member has been assaulted and she has SHRI P. KOLANOAIVELU: Why not? It been molested in the Assembly (Interrup- was discussed hereon 23rd February, 1988. tions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: H you are to state SHRI N. V.N SOMU: In the M.G.R. that, it should have relevance to the Sarkaria funeral precession, they kicked the lady Commission's report. Member. Is it not a shame, Sir?

SHRI C. MADHAV REDOI: What hap- MR. CHAIRMAN: Let him develop the pened in the Assembly is not the subject of point. If it is not relevant, then we can see discussion here. whether it forms part of the record or it canbe expunged. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: I am referring to the attitude of the Chief Minister. I SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN (Cooch want to know whether the Centre can take Behar): But what has happened inside the action againstthe Chief Ministerof the State. Legislative Assembly should not be discussed here. SHRI C.MADHAV REDOI: It has nothing to do with what happened in the Assem- MR. CHAIRMAN: If it is relevant to bly. illustrate a point out of the Sarkaria Commission's report, then only' will allow, SHRI K.S. RAO (Machilipatnam): Sir, Otherwise I will not allow. rt he is discussing about the Centre-State relations, he has to mention those points. 12.49 hrs.

MA. CHAIRMAN: Only those points [MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER in the Chai~ which have been relevant to the Report can be mentioned. SHRI P. KOLANtJAiVELU: Sir, my point is that the Chid Ministers of the non- SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: My main Congress-I States, e misusing the powers point is that the Chief Ministers of the non- and the Police machinery for their own politi- Congress-I States are abusing their powers cal ends. that is why there was violence in for their own political ends. That is what I Tamil Nadu Assembly on March 28, 1989. wanted to say. That is why there was some The leaders of the Opposition and other violence in Tamil Nadu Assembly. Under the Members of the Opposition were assaulted very nose of the Chief Minister, they as- there. saulted the Opposition leader in Tamil Nadu Assembly. SHRI N.V.N. SOMU:Sir,' would like to SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: Sir, the Chief bring to the notice of this House that even the Minister was assaulted and his spectacles Chief Minister was assauHed in the Assem- were broken. The budget papers were bly by the Opposition Mambers. The Chief snatched away from his hands. (Interrup- Minister's spectacles were broken and the tions) budget papers were snatched away from his hands by the Opposition Members. One MR. CHAIRMAN: You can make lim- Minister was injured and he is in the hospital ~ed reference to the incident, as far as they now. Another DMK Member is also injured are relevant for the purpose of illustrating and his is hospitalised. (Interruptions) 475 Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centrs-stats 476 Report of Commission Relations

SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Another Speaker do? (Interruptions) M.LA. of AIDMK was injured. DR. DAIT A SAMANT (Bombay South SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: What is this, Sir? Central): There should be a special motion ( Interruptions) to discuss the Tamil Nadu Assembly, Sir. This House can take it up leisurely after- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: About what wards. you have said also.... SHRIN.V.N.SOMU: Whatl said on that ( Interruptions) day was, the Speaker had removed our Legislature Party office from the Rajaji Han. SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: Sir, the very lady (Interruptions) I had not discussed what all Member during MGR's funeral was as- happened in the Assembly. Atthe instigation saulted and kicked and thrown after the of .. : •... the then Speaker removed our funeral cortege. In fact, she was rolling on Legislature Party office from the Rajaji Hall. the ground. (Interruptions) I had not discussed the happenings of the Assembly here. I only mentioned that our MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Come to the Party office was removed. I had not criticised point. (Interruptions) anybody ... (Interruptions)

SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Sir, the SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: I am com- magnitude of the violence and the sinister ing to your point. Sir, he had also stated in his intention of the ruling DMK party Members speech: on that fateful day was unprecedented. Ac- tually ~ has been condemned widely in the "Mr. Thampan Thomas clearly stated country. Not only the leaders of the Opposi- here that the Speaker of Tami! Nadu tion, but even Mrs. Maneka Gandhi also Assembly had expelled 37 MLAs with- condemned this Incident particularly when a out any due notice or due process or lady Member has been assaulted and mo- legislative procedure." lested, and even some 01 the Ministers in the Tamil Nadu Assembly went to the extent What does it mean? Has he not spoken of...(lnterruptions) with regard to the Tamil Nadu Assembly here? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Cometothe point. Don't go into the Assembly proceed- SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: I had not spoken ings, come to the point. that. Mr. Thampan Thomas might have spoken that. I would have brought it to the SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: There are notice of the House about Thampan tho- precedents, Sir. Actually on 23rd February mas' speech. Only I had mentioned atJout 1988 we had discussed with regard to the the removal of our Party office from Rajaji Tamil Nadu Assembly, particularly the Hall. Speaker's action. Even the han. Member, Shri N.V.N. Somu, had spoken with regard to SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: What does the character of the Speaker of the Tamil it mean then? You are confirming it and Nadu Assembly here. affirming it and you are supporting my contention that you discussed the Tamil Nadu SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: No, no. I have not. Assembly here. (Interruptions) ( Interruptions) SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: I quote. Sir, MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Whatever is he has got a Legislature Party office at Rajaji the thing, you please restrict it to the point. HaN in Madras. What did the very same You don't go into the details. "Not recorded. 471 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Csntf9-state 478 R9pOft of Commission Relations

SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Yes, Sir, MR DEPUTY -SPEAKER I am not ,Actually it is a pre-planned a1tack on the lady allOWing your gOing Into the detail. Member of the Opposrtton SHRI P KOLANDAIVELU. I am not SHRI N V.N. SOMU: his a pre-planned gOing Into details, Sir SUPPOsing I have to attack on the Chief Mlnrster (InterruptIOns) speak In vClall, J have to mention With regard to the paper weights and other materials SHRI P.KOLANDAIVELU You tell the whICh have been used there Inside the House after me. It IS a pre-planned a1tack In Assembly order to dlsIDdge MISS Jayalalltha from the Opposition actually wrth a vlewto stifling the MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER I don't want VOICe of democracy and to mollifYing the you to mention all these things. You go to the Opposition with the active connivance next POint of .. .** .. thiS Incident took place In the As- sembly In 1989. SHRI P KOLANDAIVELU Sir. the lady Member, the OppoSition Leader, was Shn N V N SOMU Sir, how can It go on abused In unprintable words (interruptIOns) record? MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER You told, MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER I Will go that IS enough You told what has happened. through the record You go to the next pOint

SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU Sir, they SHAI P KOLANDAIVELU' Sir, the lady have not spared even the Congress (I) member, OPPOSition leader was abused In Deputy Leader of the OppOSition My unprtntable words Moopanar was assaulted and he was beaten, and the Deputy MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER You have Leader .. (lnterruptlOns) told It IS enough You go to the next point

SHAI NV N SOMU Mr Moopanar SHRI P KOLANDAIVELU The whole condemned the attack on the Chief Minister womanhood Will never forgive these per- now only (InterruptIons) sons, particularly the DMK ruling party On the very sarlle day MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER It IS not relevant to Sarkarra Commission Report Why SHAI N V N SOMU It was dunng the are you mentioning thiS thing? M GAs funeral that she was pulled away from the cartage, and she was driven away ( InterruptIOns) from the funeral ceremony (InterruptIons)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER How IS It MA DEPUTY-SPEAKER Your time IS relevant to Sarkarra CommisSion Report? up You be bnef 5 minutes only Why are you saying all thiS? SHRI P KOLANDAIVELU On the very ( InterruptIons) same day one, Mr Kuman Anandan, Deputy leader of congress-I's brother shop which IS DR. DATTASAMANT: There should be situated In Ranganathan Street, Vasan & a special diSCUSSIOn on thiS (Interruptions) Co , was raided

SHRI N.V.N SOMU. He IS flouting the MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: Why do you Principle of Anna. (InterruptIons). bring the State subject?

··Not recorded. Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-stals 480 Report of Commission Relations

SHRI P. KOLANDAIVEW: I am stating SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: First of aHa Mr. with regard to abuse of power by the Chief Kolandaivelu does not know the subject of Minister. On the 25th March, the very same Centre-State relations. (/nte"uptions) day, Mrs. Janaki MGR's house, i.e. late MGA's house was raised. The security man MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The name who was there was arrested on the same will not go on record. I am not allowing the day because Mrs. Janaki went to the hospital name. to see her. SHRI T. BASHEER: I do not under- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Howyouare stand why Mr. Suresh Kurup is so vehement bringing it? in defending Mr. Karunanidhi. What is that? ( Interruptions) SHRI P. KOLANDAIVElU: I am stating with regard to abuse of power. For the very SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Now. there same and similar reason, Mr. Ramakrishna is no democracy at all. The report on the Hegde resigned from the Chief Ministership. Centre- State relations has specifically It is because, he had ordered tor tapping of mentioned that democracy must prevail all ~he phone. For a very similar incident, Mr. over the country. If there is abuse of power, Ramakrishna Hegde resigned. Why should actually it is a violation of democratic norms Mr. Karunanidhi not do? That is why, I am and it is against the democracy. That is what asking. Even our leaders' telephones have I am specifically mentioning that there is no been tapped and the ... democracy prevailing in Tamil Nadu. Only the SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: On the floor of the Assembly. he has categorically stated that That is why, I requested the han. Prime only during the Governor's rule, telephone Mmi£ter and the Central Government to take was tapped and after Mr. Karunanidhi be- action against the Tamil Nadu Government came the Chief Minister. it was not tapped. for the abuse of power. Police machinery is On the very floor of the Assembly, Mr. Karun- being misused for the political ends. And anidhi said it. immediately we have asked the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister to step down from the Chief SHRI SURESH KURUP (Kottayam): Ministership. Somebody comes and says, It am on a point of order. is for the Chief Minister and they are not worried. At the same time, I want to know, Is it proper for the hon. Member to why the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu has not mention the name of the Chief Minister .... taken action against the police people, those who mishandled the case ... MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The name would not go on record. SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: I will leave It to you Mr. Deputy-Speaker to decide whether all SHRI A. CHARLES (Trivandrum): this is relevant to the Centre-State relations. When we discussed the tape episode of Karnataka, the name of Ramakrishna MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: Now wind Hegde was mentioned and so many persons up. who were not in the House were mentioned. Kindly reconsider it. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Actually, they have committed a breach of privilege. SHRJ SURESH KURUP: Is It proper to make allegations against him? SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: You should go to MR. OEf--U fY-SPEAKER Th:? alJega- the Tamil Nadu Assembly to bring a breach ~~~_Ol gc or) -{lCO:,d. of privilege. (/nterC:.!e~tj(l~i;,:.JS,-) ___-- ·E~ .... n9ed ciS ordered by the Chair. 481 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centf9-stat. 482 Report of Commission Relations

SHRI SURESH KURUP: Is It relevant? SHRI SURESH KURUP' Is It proper to mentIOn It In thiS House? SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: It IS relevant THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S. BUTASINGH) It may not be proper togo SHRI N.V.N. SOMU. What IS this·· ? on narrating the Incidents Inside the Assem- bly but hon Member from the other side has MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER I will go been not only mentioning but also crltlClsmg through the record. the Governors and the Chief Mlnasters under the report of the Sarkaraa CommISsion. SHRt KADAMBUR JANARTHANAN Therefore d the han Member can mention (Tlrunelvelt): The Hon Member IS uSing the the role of the Chief Minister With regard to word" -Is It parliamentary word? Centre-State relatIOn, there should be no objection MR DEPUTY SPEAKER I am saying that " . - may not go on record It IS ex- SHRI SURESH KURUP Can the role punged of a particular Chief MInister of a particular State be mentioned like thiS? SHRI P KOLANDAIVELU How the commuOlcatlOn got Into the hands of the MR DEPUTY SPEAKER I Will see Speaker wrth regard to the resignation letter that Please listen to me With regard to what Itself? That has 10 be investigated the han MInister also observed when Mr. Kolandalvelu spoke, I Will go through record SHRI N V N SOMU What IS thiS? and also I want you to remember, Shn Kurup that whatever objection IS there, I Will MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Don't bring see to It, but you also remember that on your th,s incident I am not allOWing SIde also one Member Shn Thampan thomas criticised on that day Kerala Govern- SHRI P KOLANDAIVELU The Tamil ment, openly and said many things I al- Nadu Chief MInister IS telling even the press lowed When we are diSCUSSing certain that the AIDMK and the Congress-I want to things, It may not be objectionable But, if It destlbillse the Government It IS not our IS relevant, when they are quoting, I cannot bUSiness at all We do not want to destablhse stop It If It IS obJectionable, I Will do n. HIt IS the duly elected Government But democ objectionable, I would not allow that racy must prevail That IS our aim Under the nose of the Chief Minister, many things SHRI P KOLANDAIVELU What about happened but he IS keeping mum He has Tamil Nadu Speaker also? It has been spo- not taken any action on the breach of pnvi ken about here There are precedents lege by the Police MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Can we SHRI N V N SOMU What IS gOing on adjourn for lunch? here? SHRI P KOlANDAIVElU. I am con- MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Wind up cluding

SHAI P KOLANDAIVELU An inquiry MR DEPUTY SPEAKER It you wantto IS to be constrtuted agamst the Tam" Nadu take up after lunch break, we can take up Chief Minister PROF MADHU DANDAVATE (A a- SHRI N V N SOMU It Will boomerang japur) Expel the Chief Mlntster from the on you one day records l "Expunged as ordered by the ChaIr 483 Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-state 484 Report of Commission Relations

SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: How can it The Lok Sabha re-assembled after Lunch be? at ten minutes past Fourteen of the Clock.

fyfR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: After you [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chaiij 'finish speech, we will have lunch. MOTION RE: REPORT OF THE SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: I am finish- COMMISSION ON CENTRE-STATE ing within one minute. RELATIONS - CONTO.

SHRI A. CHARLES: [English]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Prof Narain MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: That will not Chand Parashar to speak now. go on record. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR SHRI A. CHARLES: In Tamil Nadu (Hamirpur): The Sarkaria Commission re- Assembly, Chief Minister is saying that Shri port on Centre-State relations covers a very Dinesh Singh is threatening. wide ranging field and it is not possible to touch all the aspects of the matter touched SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: I will con- by him. But a few of the aspects dealt by him· clude in a minute. require clear attention on the part of the Parliament. I would like to make a sincere request to the Central Government. Here is a particular , He has exhaustively referred to the role case wherein the Police machinery has of the Governors and has said that the been misused and there is abuse of power. Governor should be there. He has not ac- I would request that the Central Government cepted the plea of abolishing the post of the has to take immediate action against the Governors. He has also upheld some basic Tamil Nadu Chief Minister for having mis- contentions of the farmers of the used the power. My second request is that Constitution. they have to constitute a Commission on Inquiry under fhe Commissions of Inquiry The Tamilnadu Government has set up Act, 1952 against the Chief Minister and the the Rajamannar Committee and referring to Chief Minister must be asked to step down this matter it was said that though the from his leadership. Constitution set up federal system, it must be admitted that there are several provisions ; MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I want to which are inconsistent with the principle of {·:·take the sense of the House regarding lunch federalism. There are unitary trends and in i creak, Can we adjourn for lunch and re- the allocation of powers there is strong bias I __assemble? and tilting of the scale in favour of the Centre.

SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes. I start with this premise. The legislative and the administrative relationship between MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We adjourn the States and the Centre are dealt with in for lunch and re-assemble at 2.05 p.m. Part 11 of the Constitution and 19 articles from 245 to 263 deal with these relation- 13.06 hrs. ships. In between is there Article 249 which empowers the Parliament to legislate for any The Lok Sabha adjourned for lunch till five matters, including the State List also, for at minutes past Fourteen of the Clock. least one year at a time if the Rajya Sabha passes a Resolution to that effect. That can be extended from year to year. There are "Expunqed as ordered by the Chair. 485 Motion Re. CHAITAA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Cent19-stat9 486 Report 01 Commission Relations some other features also which make the the States and the Centre, we must pay Centre very strong. The Centre requires to attention to this aspect. Ultimately, it is the be strong because the country must be held Centre which is to appoint the Governors, together and the nation must move forward and it is the Centre which has to do so many in the path of progress, prosperity and things for the States. So the willing coopera- rn®emity. Not only this, butthe Centre must tion of the States and positive response from also preserve the ancient language, culture the States would be a source of strength to and heritage of the country and thereby the Centre itself and also to the States. protect the interests of the minor~ies also. Sir, I would also like to ask the han. What we have here is not the western Minister of Home Affairs whether it is a type of federalism; the Canadian type of healthy tradition to make the Governor the federalism or the US type of federalism. We Chancellor of the Universities of the States. are trying to evolve the cooperative federal- Can we not find a prominent educationalist, ism in which the Centre and the States a prominent teacher or a prominent public cooperate for the welfare and strengthening man who is not a Governor but who can act of the nation. as the Chancellor of the Universities? The respect given to the Governor would not be Even then there are some things which reduced if the function is taken away from have escaped the notice of Justice Sarkaria. him. When he refers to the role of the Governors, he forgets an important aspect. Governors SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN (Coach are also the Chancellors of the universities. Behar): We agree with your proposal. Let As such, they playa very prominent role in the Chancellor be selected from the educa- the appointment of Vice Chancellors and in tionists. the allocation of the universities. I wish this aspect should have been discussed at MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: What about length by the Commission and some posi- the Vice·Chancellor? He is also an educa- tive recommendations should have been tionist. made. Because though the role of the Gov- ernor cannot be discussed in the State PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR: Legislature or here in the Parliament, yet When we think of the head of the University when the Governor assumes the task of the as the Chancellor of the University, one Chancellorship of a university, then he without the gubernational authority then it should attract some discussion or his role would be better for the quality of education. should be discussed because education is in the Concurrent List. Sir, there is another aspect to which I would like to draw the attention and that is Ifeel tliatthe healthy practice of consult- the aspect of planning. The Sarkaria jng the Chief Ministers before appointing the Commission has dealt at length with plan- Governors should be encouraged and even ning at the District level and has suggested ij it may not be essential, it is desirable that for setting up of the Planning Board at the such a tradition should be developed. Be- district level. What I would further emphasis cause we must emphasize one thing that if is that only setting up of Planning Boards there is irritation between the Centre and the would not do; unless we give more powers to States irrespective of party affiliations, this the Panchayats and the Panchayat Samitis irritation is going to be developed into ten- and the Zila Parishads and involve the rep- sion one day and the tension and irrigation resentatiyes of the people in the process of will ultimately lead to confrontation and not planning, the dream of Shri Jawaharlal cooperation. Therefore, if we are sincere in Nehru in launching the Panchayat Raj on the matter of evolution of cooperative feder- 2nd October 1959 from Rajasthan would not alism as a new form of cooperation between be fulfilled. So, it is inthe fitness of things that 487 Motion Rs. APRIL 4. 1989 on Centf9-statl1 488 Report of Commission Relations

[Prof. Narain Chand Parashar] us not turn India into a bureaucralit Republic of India. but let us retain Its character as a there is a national debate going on, on the Democratic Reputlic of India and therein lies evolution of a positive and strong Panchayat the strength of the Panchayat Raj institu- Raj and of strengthening and giving tions from the Panchayat to the Parliament. adequate powers tothe Panchayat Raj insti- 50 I would emphasise this aspect of the tutions throughout the country. matter that Panchayati Raj should be further developed, should be strengthened, given Sir, we must also ensure that the friends more powers, financial and administrative, in the village are also democrats. The village so that there is a clear distinction. Pradhan or the head of the panchayat should be elected not directly but by the We have at present three lists: The members, otherwise what would happen is Union list, the Concurrent List and the State that the members would become depen- List. There are entries to each one of them. dant, if you elect the Pradhan directly from Central List has 97 subjects, State List has the village electorates the entire village 66 subjects and the Concurrent List has 47 elects and uhimately, the village Pradhan a subjects. Over these Lists there had been member of that panchayat, has no authority some debate by the Commission and the and he will be dependant on the sweetwill of Commission had issued a comprehensive the panchayat pradhan, who may act in a questionnaire to which replies were submit- particular partisan manner and there is no ted. There was a clear demand from some guarantee to make him accountable to the persons for deletion of the Concurrent List panchayat of which he is the head. So it and putting all the subjtJcts in the Concurrent would be like an elected Governor and when List into State List. This may not be possible the proposal for an elected Governor came because in the interest of uniformity and before the Constituent Assembly, as it was, coordination the Concurrent List which is the only Shri Jawaharlal Nehru rightly opposed clear indication of cooperation between this and said that an elected Governor would Centre and the States is a must and it should only be having provincial outlook and will be be retained. Similarly. Central and State subjected to the pulls and pressures of the Lists have their own importance. But my grass-root democratic forces in that very grouse is on the other Side. The Central State. So he wanted the Governor to be from Government is not able to enforce its author- outside the State and this is a healthy prac- ity in certain matters. For example, certain tice. Similarly, the Panchayat President powers are devolved upon the State Gov- should not be elected directly; he should be ernment by the Centre even in respect of elected by the panchas and similarly the matters which are in the Central List with the process should go on further: the elected result the States have their own way. h is not members of the Panchayat samithis should a party matter but it is question of functioning elect the Panchayat Samithy President and of the Centre and the States and the inter- the elect0c! :nembel s of :he Z,!::: ,..., .: is~ Jd pretation of the two Lists. There was a should elect the Zila Parishad Chairman and demand for deletion ot Entry 31 dealing with the Chairman of the Panchayat Samithi and television, radio, etc. under the term wire- the -Chairman of the Zila Parish ad must be lines that it should be taken away from the given adequate power over the bureaucratic Central List. 5arkaria Commission rightly set-up so that they can enforce the scheme rejected this suggestion because we cannot they can implement the scheme. It is no use have a medley of broadcasts. We can give calling for a Panchayat Raj set up with adequate powers and involve the States in adequate and vast powers, financial and the matter and take their cooperation and administrative, but making them subservient help but why should it be the responsibility of to the Deputy Commissioner or a Sub-Divi- the State Government 10 promote a lan- sional Magistrate or any other person who is guage or a culture in a particular State. I want in authority from the bureaucratic side. Let that the Central Government should shoul- Motion Re. CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) on Centf9-stats 490 Report 01 Commission Relations der its responsibility of ensuring that even minorities. the smallest language and weakest cuttural group gets adequate protection from the Now, I come to a very thorny question Centre and the Centre uses the media for the which is rocking the country at the moment. promotion of, all these groups of languages Sarkaria Commission has referred to the because there are more than 1400 mother- three language formula without explaining tongues in this country. There are so many as to what the three-language formula languages which are not recognised and means. He has said that the three-language even put in the Eighth Schedule but which formula as evolved by the Chief Minister are spoken by over one million people. Who conference should be implemented in all will look after their interests? The States fairness by all the States. The three-lan- have no resources and time. They are busy guage formula is like a free-language for- in petty matters of law and order and dress- mula which has been interpreted by every- ing themselves up in the police uniform body in his or her own way. Formerly when trying to enforce this thing and that thing. So, the Chief Ministers' conference adopted this rt is the Centre's duty to look after these formula, it was for the study of English, Hindi areas which are getting nobody's attention. and one of the Indian languages. Therefore, I want that Sarkaria Commission should have given attention to this but now Now, later on what they aid was that in that the Commission has not given I would the Policy Resolution tabled in this Houseon being to you notice the recommendation of 24th July, 1968, Government of India gave the Commission under this title. He has said an add~ional word 'Modern', i.e., 'in one of that official language and the official lan- the modern Indian languages' and recently, guage committee should be re-christened last year the Central Board of Secondary as official language and scheduled lan- Education tried to twist the matter in such a guage committee. Similarly, he wants all the manner that Sanskrit is excluded, though it scheduled languages to be taken into this was taught in Delhi and other neighbouring group but I would like to say that Eighth States for all these years under that very Schedule is not a Vedic injunction that it formula. The word "modern" was replaced cannot be expanded. Twenty-first amend- and it was said that Sanskrit is not a modern ment to the Constitution introduced Sindhi language. The Sahitya Academy recog- also into this. English is not at present listed nises 22 languages and gives awards to the in this Scheduled yet there are many steps creation of literature of the languages every taken for the promotion of English in this year, for the excellent piece in each lan- country. Therefore, what I want is that in- guage and sanskrit is also getting one award stead of scheduled languages and non- every year and Members are taking oath in scheduled languages, we should have the this House in Sanskrit including the han. concept of Indian languages. If Sarkaria Speaker who took oath in Sanskrit. Article Commission's recommendations are to be 351 of the Constitution enjoins upon the accepted by the Union Government then it Union to promote Hindi and to look to San- should not be official languages committee skrit with inspiration. It is high time that this or official languages or scheduled lan- high injustice is done away with. Sanskrit is guages committee but it should be official also regarded as a modern as well as an languages and other Indian languages ancient Indian language. There is no doubt committee in which the word 'language' about it. We say Indian culture is one, should be defined cOrTIprehensively to cover whether ancient Indian culture or modern the developing, developed, recognised, un- Indian culture. Similarly, we must empha- recognised, majority and the minority, etc. sise the fact that Sansknt is a living and languages which are spoken on the sacred continuing language and under the three soil of India Unless this is done, you cannot language formula, it should not be discarded inspire confidence in the backward and but accepted. The three language formula developing regions and in the minds of must be restored to Its original form as 491 Motion R9. APRil 4, 1989 on Centre-state 492 Report of Commission Relations

[Prof. Narain Chand Parashar} nition and appreciation at the hands of the State. I would also like to refer to some of the evolved by the Chief Ministers Conference other matters in the Constitution and one of in 1961 by saying that any other Indian these is the provision for States with special language should also be taught in addition to problems. When Sardar Swaran Singh was Hindi and English. So, what I want to say is appointed as the head of a Constitutional that Sarkaria Commission's recommenda- Amendment Committee by AleC, some tion on three language forr.1ula should be MeJTlbers of Parliament belonging to the hill studied in depth and all the wider implica- States went to him and said that like the tions of the situation should be taken into Constitution in certa;, other countries of the account. At present, there are many regional world like Spain, Italy and Switzerland, a languages which are recognised only by the provision must be made for special attention regional academies and not by the State of the hill States which are generally located Governments. Though Articfe 347 9 i~ as un the border of the country because there ample scope for the members of a particular are special geographical terrain, there are group to write to the President and the PresI- difficulties of vast population and many other dent may direct the States to accept these things. He said that there is nothing in the languages as oHiciallanguages, that is on:y Con~,!itution that prevents the development on paper because when there is no provision of hill S~ates If the Centre so desires and in for teaching that language in a classroom, due course of time, the Centre has taken when there is no provision for carrying on its note of it and the National Development work like printing and publication of the lit· Council has been set up, the Coundl of hilly erature, then all these things will be only areas has come into being, special category imaginary in nature. Whatever provisions States have come into being but Sarkaria you have made in the Constitution or what- Commission has paid to attention to these ever recommendations are made in the aspects. If there are States which are of Sarkari a Commission Report, they are only special category, the Commission should dealing in a shadowy situation. The real have commented on them and appreciated brass tacks situation will be known when we their difficuHies. So, I want that the Govern- deal with ~. There we must be in a position to ment should study this problem in depth. The protect and promote each and every lan- problems of the special category States in guage spoken on the sacred soil of Ind;a and respect of very important issues, which I will for that matter, there should be no discrimi- highlight briefly, should be kept in view. For nation as to whether the lang uage is pat ron i- example, it is possible to have a full-fledged sed by a religious group or by a political Governor for Mizoram, it is not possible to group or by a regional set-up or by a State or have a Postmaster General for Miioram; it is it is ignored by anybody and everybody. If not possible 10 have a General Manager, there is, any discrimination let us give ti up Telecommunication for Mizoram. It is pos- and for that matter, the tribal languages of sible to give full Statehood to(;oa, but it is not India are crying for justice at the hands of the possible to give a Director of Postal Services Union Government. UPSC must include all Goa because the concept of workload these languages also in the scheme of ex- comes in. This concept of workload which aminations. UPSC must also give adequate ties down the units to the norms of workload protection to the development of these lan- is controlled by the Ministry of Finance and guages. Recently, UPSC is thinking of in- the Ministry of Finance in this country acts cluding Manipur also as one of the subjects like a dictator, trying to throttle the throat of of study and examination. I plead that this other executive Ministries by saying that must be accepted and not only Manipuri, but their proposals are hereby slashed; they other languages like Pahadi of Himachal cannot be accepted, because they do not Pradesh and Khasi of Meghalaya must also fulfilthe norms. When the Planning Commis- be accepted. Whatever be the views and sion itself says that the norms should be feelings of the people, they must find recog- relaxed for special category StatQs, why I Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 494 R9p0rt 01 Commission Relations should the Ministry of Rnance. the Ministry should also accept the concept of Pan- of Home Affairs as nodal Ministries not ac- chayati Raj devolution and give simUar cept this concept and incorporate it into their powers to the district level, zila parishad, very functioning? Why should not the adm in- panchayat samities and the gram pan- istrative units like the divisions and various chayats. In thiS five-tier system of demo- other categories of administrative units be cratic functioning, India will emerge stronger created in these States by relaxing norms with protection and preservation of and the norms of the neighbouring units everybody's cultural heritage, with widening should not be forced on them. It is a very of opportunities for the development of fu- painful marters for us to know that even for ture of all concerned. upgradation of a small postoffice or opening of a small postoffice. the Finance Secretary Let us us resolve to realise the dreams has to sit in judgement on the proposal of a of freedom fighters and revolutionaries who Superintendent of Post Offices and the sacrified their lives for the good and benefit Secretary, Department of Posts and Tele- of the country through this process of decen- graphs. Similarly a proposal for opening a tralization and cooperative federalism. And public call office from the Department con- the report of th£ Sarkaria Commission can cerned has to be referred to the Ministry of have a meaning and content also for us and Finance for sanction. h is a poor interpreta- the future generation if we utilize all these tion of the Centre-State relations. The State aspects in this new horizon and new vision of Government is having a grouse on the one India. hand, on the other hand, the Central Govern- ment departments themselves are having [ Translation] grouses against the Ministry of Finance and against this concept of totalitarian imposition • SHRI P. SELVENDRAN (Peri- of norms in respect of all the Ministries in yakulam): Han. Deputy Speaker, I have spite of geograp~ical situations, difficult ter- extreme pleasure to share with this august rains etc. House myviews on the report of the Sarkaria Commission on Centre State relations. Han. The Prime Minister and the Cabinet Members who spoke before we have analy- have been very kind to the special category sed the report from different angles and States, but unless the attitude of the nodal expressed divergent views. In this context, I Ministries and the various concepts all along would like to remind this House of the im- down below are also changed, it would not perative need of expressing opinion on the matter much and ultimately their dreams subject matter above party lines and political cannot be translated into realities. considerations. The Members here belonging to ruling party advocated the need for a I plead for the acceptance of the strong centre. Those who missed the oppor- Gandhian concept of Gram Swaraj. That is tunity to sit in the treasury benches strongly the true concept; all centralization to be advocated additional powers to the States. dissolved into what is called the decentrali- They with one voice pleaded for strong zation. Unless we have the concept of de- States with a strong Centre. jf we compare centralization dear to our heart, the experi- Centre with the heart of mother Bharat. then ment of democratic functioning cannot suc- the States are the eyes, limbs, head and ceed in this country. other essential organs. A strong heart with numbed limbs and deformed eyes and head While we think of strong Centre, we also will not entail the good health of Mother think of strong States. But the strength can- Bharat. In the same manner, strong limbs not come from suspicion, it cannot come and well formed eyes and head with a weak from dominance, it cannot come from subju- heart will not very definitely augur well forthe gation, it can come from getting a willing health of Mother Bharat. Every organ in the cooperation from the States, and the States body of Mother Bharat plays an equal and *TransJation of the speech originally delivered in Tamil. 495 Motion RB. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centr9-state 498 Rgport of Commission Relations

[Sh. P. Se'vendran] Assembly was for devolving more powers on the States. vital role for the overall well-being of our nation. Let me point point out with great anguish and pain as how the States have been The relations between the Centre and made to slide down the Constitutional lad- the States should be as cordial and sancro- der, to the lowest of the lowest rung: Even for sand as between a mother and her undertaking a dev: lopmentaJ work of a very daughter. Unfortunately, the relations be- small order, the States have to go to the tween the Centre and the States sometimes centre. The States have to await for long the reach such a low ebb and strain to such a low approval of the Centre for building roads for level to that of the relations between a short length in forest lands. For example in mother-in-law and her daughter-in law. This Coty and Nilgiris in T ami! Nadu which have results in embittered relations between the vast forest lands. for building water tanks Centre and the State Governments and and even for laying pipes to supply drinking avoidable ideological differences. water, prior approval of the Central Govern- ment is necessary. This is the pathetic con- Over the past 25 years, the demand for dition, the States have been reduced to. In more powers for the States has been echo- my own Parliamentary Constituency, in ing in every corner of this nation. Slowly and Periyakulam, the Sothupara,_Agamalai steadily, the demand has solidified into the road scheme is for linking two places by slogan of 'autonomy for the States.' As far road. The total length of the road is 22 Kms. back as 1963, Perarignar (the Enlightened) Only 5 Kms of the road runs in forest limits. Shri C.N. Annadurai, a senior leader of the It has a width of 3.5 metres. The scheme Dravidian Movement and a former Chief envisages widening of this 5 Kms stretch in Minister of Tamil Nadu, described the condi- forest land from the present width of 3.5 tion of the States, in lamenting terms, as metres to 5 metres. Since the stretch is having been reduced to dole-getting Munici- situated in forest lands, prior approval of the palities of the Central Government. The Central Government is required. The Cen- description was deemed appropriate in the tral Government is sitting over the clearance context of the demand for decentralisation of for an unduly long period of more than 5 powers in favour of the States. The senior ),ears. This is an instance I cited. There are most Member of the House, Prof. N.G. many such hill and tribal development Ranga is sitting here. He is an able, elderly schemes which suffer just because propos- and experienced politician. On November 9, als have to await clearance by Central 1948, while taking part in the discussion in Government for very long periods. I, there- the Constituent Assembly, he postulated the fore, fervently plead that in such cases of imperative need for decentralization of developmental works more and adequate powers in the following terms:- powers must be vested in the State Govern- ments. Let me cite agriculture as another -Mahatma Gandhi has pleaded over a instance. The farmers in the States till the period of thirty years for decentralization. land. The farmer purchases seeds at the We, as Congressman. are committed to local price. He purchases fertilisers and decentralization. Indeed. all the world is other imputes at the prices prevailing in the today in favour of decentralisation. If we States. The agricultural labourers are paid want, on the other hand, centralisation, I wages conforming to the standards of life in wish to warn this House that that would only the State. Ironically, the prices tor the pro- lead to Sovietisation and totaliterianisation duce of the farmers in the State is fixed by the and not democracy. Therefore, Sir, I am not Central Government here. Note this as- in favour of the socalled slogan of strong tounding anomaly. I am suddenly reminded centre.· The reason for such a plea by a of a folk song that used to reverberate in the vetaran congressman in the Constituent paddy fields in those days of British Raj:- 497 Motion Re. CHAJTRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 498 Repott of CommissIOn Relations

• Farmer grows cucumber when. In ments were brought down tor no reason. the fields, he tIlls and totls; From 1980 to 1987, 18 Governments were Two for a penny IS the pnce, the pulled down IQnomlnously In 1980 alone, 9 whiteman overseas, malls and Governments were axed to political death. In tells.- 1977 when the Janata Government diS- missed nine State Governments by a Single The same colonial condltton IS continuing stoke, there was no failure of the Constitu- What' would like to drive home IS that the tional machinery In the States There was no pnce of aU agrICUltural commodities, should law and order problem, there was no other be determIned by the State Governments conditIons 10 the States that warranted and recommended by the State Govern- PreSident's rule They were dismissed ments to the Central Government tor accep- purely for politICal reasons History repeats tance and notifICatIon On many such small Itself The same ConstitutIOnal misde- ISSUes, the States are deprived of their due meanour was staged again without any share compacting In 1980 when nine Janata MIn- Istnes In the States were dismissed by the Let me next speak about the Single Congress which returned to power In the constitutIOnal proVISIOn which serves the Centre I therefore. state With angUish and Central Government wrth ample amm unltlon pain that article 356 was maSSively misused to knock down unwarnted State Govern- by the Central Govarnment to achieve their ments ArtICle 356 of the Constitution IS such political ends ThiS prOVISion IS, therefore, a SpUriOUS prOVIsIon that It has constrained Inimical to the democratic scheme of our many Han Members here to cough up from functionIng It IS anti democratic It IS auto- the core of their hearts their condemnatIon cratic It IS anachrOnistic It hangs like a again Its abuse, misuse and overuse The Damocles sword over the head of democ- WIde misuse of thiS prOVIsion has created an racy and the democratically elected Chief unbndgeable chasm between the States Ministers I, therefore, strongly and stub- and Centre It IS thiS abuse of the artIcle, that bornly plead for the deletion of thiS article too very frequently, that has goaded the from the constitution State Governments to arraign against the Centre In a diametrically opposite direction Over the 40 years since Independence, thiS The role and appointment of Governors prOVISion has been Widely misused for 80 deserve serious conSideratIon The actIvI- times ThiS prOVISion IS supposed to a cure ties of Governors In certain States create for a Constitutional failure ThiS provIsion chactlc conditions In the States It lead to whIch IS supposed to be used a surgeon s clashes between the Governor and the State knrte has been malleated Into a murderer s Governments The frequent clashes be- chopper to axe down OPPOSition govern- tween the Andhra Governor and the Chief ments. From1950 to 1954, 3 Governmants MInister of the State have become the sub- were toppled by misusing thiS prOVISion Ject matter of heated diSCUSSions In thiS From1955 to 1959,3 times It was misused House Keeping thiS In mind, Dr M.G R , the From 1960-1964, twice rt was misused late Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu placed From 1964 to 1969, nine times It was mis- certain proposals regarding the appoint- used. Within a short span of two years iTom ment and remova\ of governors beiere the 1967-69, 7 State Govts were pulled down Sarkarta CommiSSion Dr M G.A. urged that unceremonIOusly thIS abuse of the Consti- the Governors should be appOinted In con- tutIOnal prOVISIOn was signtficant when In 7 sultatIon With the Chief Ministers A person States, the congress party suffered serious from the panel of four names that may be setbacks In 1967. From 1970to 1974, nine- submrtted by the Ch,ef MInister of a State teen Governments were toppled From 1975 may be apPOinted as the Governor of the to 1979 twentynine Governments were State. A Similar view was expressed by Shri toppled. In 1977 Itself, nme State Govern- Jawahar Lal Nehru, the light of Asia, 1111948 499 Motion Rtl. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-state 500 RtIpOrl of Commission RsllJtion

[Sh. P. Selvendran] Justice Sarkaria has made certain recommendations regarding the appointments in the Constituent Assembly. He thus of the Governors. He has recommended that spoke:- he should be an eminent person in some walk of life. He should be a figure detached "I think it would be infinitely better if from politics, particularly, he should not have he was not so intimately connected taken active part in the local politics. He with the local politics of the prov- should be from another State. These recom- ince ... much be acceptable to the mendations are valid and therefore should Government of the province." be accepted.

I reiterate the words of Nehru "must be I would like to conclude by saying a few acceptable to the Government of the prov- words on the language problem. This is an ince". Why don't you live upto the words of emotional aspect. This has often led to Nehru? Why don't you live upto his expecta- clashes between the Centre and the States. tions? Why don't you appoint a person ac- Justice Sarkaria has made certain recom- ceptable to the State Government as the mendations in this regard. He has recom- Governor. mended that the requirement of knowledge of a particular language as a precondition for· The Office of the Governor is, today, recruitment in the services of the States and considered to be highly ceremonial, un- the Union should not be insisted upon. He wanted, redundant and superflous. It is an has also recommended that the functions of unnecessary adjunct of the State apparatus. the Union and the States should be carried When such opinions are gaming currency, it on in the respective local languages. He has would be appropriate that Governors are further stressed the need to vigorous im- appointed in consultation with the Chief plementation of the three language formula. Ministers of the State. Governors should be I would like to give a clarion call in this August made able to function in cooperation with the House for implementing the three language State Governments. Partial and partisan formula faithfully in all the States. The Gov- attitudes on the part of the Governors will ernment should accept the recommenda- indispensably trigger off confrontations be- tions of Justice Sarkaria. The Government tween-the Governors and the duly elected should also give Constitutional status to the Chief Ministers. Dr. M.G.R. therefore placed assurance given by Nehru to non-Hindi before the Commission a valid proposal for speaking people. liquidating such conflicts. In the case of a conflict between the Governor and the duly lastly let me urge upon the Govern- elected Government of the State, the legis- ment to come forward in concrete terms with lative Assembly of the State must be em- a statement of the recommendation of Jus- powered to remove the Governor by passing tice Sarkaria that are acceptable to the a resolution to that effect. this WOUld, in Government. Let the recommendations be addition to curbing autocratic functioning of presented to this august House and let an in- the Governors, also ensure accountability of depth discussion take place. The recom- the Governor to the lected Government of mendations should there-after be adopted the State. so that this Government and the successive 501 MotIOn Re. CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 502 Report of CommISsIOn RelatIOn

Governments follow the recommendatIOns raIsed by the vanous State Governments diligently let thIS Government not Indulge In and the authorities on the ConstitutIOn have verbal calhsthenlCS that thIS Government also been conSidered by them Therefore, 11 would take Into conSideration on the recom- may be said that It IS a very valuable docu- mendatIOns and that thiS Government would ment produced by the Commission In whICh the present Issues have been practICally suitably process the recommendations etc listed and discussed and the solutions have Let thiS Government not Wriggle out of thiS also been suggested by the CommiSSIOn situatIOn like an elfish eluding the net by merely making such hollow statements Within thiS short time It " not poSSible to They must give the recommendations the examine and comment open each and every sanctity of law recommendation of the Com millIOn therefore I will restrict myse~ only to the legisla- [English] tive relations and also to the rol. of the Governor and tne vanous sugg ••tlOnl made SHRI SHARAD DIGHE (Bombay North With respect to them Central) Mr Deputy-speaker. Sir I Wish to express some of my views on thiS Sarkana ConSidering the varIOus provIsions of the Commission's report Constitution one has mainly to keep," mind the fTlatn frame work of the Constitution and ThiS Commission was appointed as far as was stated by the Second Report of the back as 9th June 1983 and It has produced Union Powers Committee on the 5th July, a beautiful report as far as the vanous provi 1947 the soundest framework of our sions of the Constitution are concerned Our Constitution IS a federation With a strong Constitution came Into force on the 26th Centre

[Sh. Sharad Oighe) ing paragraphs, we are unable to ac· cept the suggestion that residuary Similany there is supremacy of the legisla- powers should be vested in the tive powers of Parliament. Even there is States." power given to legislate any State subject under Article 249 if the Rajya Sabha passes At this stage, !hey have come to the conclu- a resolution to that effect. Therefore the sion after considering aH the views which whole scheme is to have a strong centre, but were expressed before them_ But ther., fur- at the same time give autonomy in the nor- ther it states in the next paragraph -Iquote mal times to various States which have been formed. From this point of view, we must test 'We are of the view that residuary the various proposals that have been made power of legislation in regard to taxa- by the Sarkaria Commission itself. As far as tion should advisedly remain with the legislative relations are concerned, I was Parliament. But, the residuary field a little bit surprised when after discussing the other than that of taxation may be whole point, the Sarkaria Commission transferred to the Concurrent List." comes to the conclusion that as far as the residuary powers concerned, these resid- Therefore, having come to tha conelUlion uary powers should be divided into two parts that nothing should be given from th. reaio- and the provisions relating to the taxation uary powers to the States, it is surprlling that should be left to the Parliament, and as far as in the next paragraph. the Commission with- other residuary items are concerned, they out giving any justification further, In I short should be kept in the concurrent Itst. And paragraph summarily c~anges the views then it has also been stated that consu:ta- and says that except taxation, the rest of the tions should be made with resped to any residuary powers should go to the Concur- legislation that would be brought on subjed rent List. That means, they should be shared under the Concurrent List. Sir, I feel that by the Centre as well as the States. There· these two recommendations are very dan- fore, my subm!ssion is that thi:; is basically gerous and are not in conformity with the contrary to the views expressed by them views expressed before them and are not in earlier, contralY to all the evidences before conformity with the scheme of our them and also contrary to all the arguments Constitution. For example, they have them- which they themselves have made in the selves stated at Page 29 Para 2.6.04 - I same Chapter itself. quote: 15.00 hrs. "Most State Governments do not seek any change in the eXisting proviSions Therefore,l say that there is no justifica· relating to the residuary powers. tion for transferring residuary power to the However, four State Governments Concurrent list at all. It should continue With have suggested that the residuary the Centre as it is because once you transfer powers should be vested in the States, Entry 97 list I Le. really speaking last entry, and two State Governments have to the Concurrent List, it means residuar; proposed that Entry 97 of list I be power goes to the Concurrent List. transferred to the Concurrent list." If there is any legislation to be intro' Therefore, only two State Governments duced here, they say that there may not be have suggested that Entry 97 of list I be any constitutional provision for consu~ation transferred to the Concurrent list. Further, but a convention should be established tha' they have themselves stated at Page 31 - you should consult the States. Such a cum· I quote: brous procedure will be dangerous. They themselves have rejected it at one stage. In "For reasons mentioned in the preced- paragraph 2.12.04 at page 51 the Commls, 505 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 506 Report of CommISsIOn Relations

SIOfl says: stage when at the earher stage they come to the conclUSIOn that such a proposal, If ac- -It will be observed that Instead of cepted, would create cumbrous procedure facihtatlng this proposal If Imple- and we should not accept It Therefore, I say mented, would make the working of that there IS contradICtIOn between their own the constrtutlonal scheme of checks diSCUSSions at one stage ane! further on and baiances with respect to the con- suggestions as far as the consultation w th current sphere of JUrischctfOn exceed- the State:; IS concerned I say that It Will be Ingly cumbersome and dilatory We very dangerous to lay down that you nlUS1 cannot, therefore, oommend thiS pro- consult the States even While making the posal " legislation In the Concurrent List It.s never heard of Even such a procedure Will take us Further on surprisingly they say at page such a long time that the legislation In the 52 Concurrent list as far as thiS House IS can cerned. Will come to a stardstrll We ( an not "We are of the view that It IS not neces- do It as thiS consultation Will create s.ev&ral sary to make the Umon·State consul- problems ThIS IS what I wanT to submIt as far tation regarding legislation on an Item as the legIslative aspect Ie:; rO'lcerned In the Concurrent List a constitutional requirement ThiS will make the proc- Now I would Ilketotake sometime as far ess neediessly rigid But thiS should be as the recommendations regarding Gover- a firm convention" nors arp concerned I Will not go l'lto the details as far as the role 01 the Governor IS It IS agam reiterated at page 66 In para concerned I shall merely s,Jy that th~ role of graph 2 23 05 a Governor IS not merely thdt of a (.onstltu tlonal Head 01 th

[Sh. Sharad Oighe] cannot send persons who are inimical with that State and will create problems for that and everything. So, that role also has to be State. That should not be the idea_ That I performed by the Governor. Therefore, from understand and agree to. But politically he IS this point of vjew. my submission is the sentinel of the Centre and he has to see that. .. (lnte"uptions) that the functioning of the State is going on in accordance with the Constitutional provi- PROF. N.G. RANGA (Guntur): Unity sions and that everything is being done and integrity of the nation also. according to the national policies which we are promulgating. SHAI SHAAAD DIGHE: Yes. unity and integrity of the nation also. Several border Therefore, Sir, from that point of view, I States are there where the Union Govern- say that it is time now that we have to ment has to keep a vigil as far as these things emphaSise that he shall be a politician, he fare concerned. It is no use saying you must know his role and from. that point of cannot subordinate them. There is no ques- vjew he should be selected. Of course, good tion of subordinating. But the unity and integ- people who are acceptable and who also rity of the country have to be maintained by command respect from the public, from ali the State and. there~ore, the sentinel and the the political parties, may be considered. If live link is the Governor. From that point of these things are there, then there is no use view, , do not agree with two suggestions saying that he should not have taken active which have been made by them and. thl3re- part in politics, etc. etc. Then, Sir, a very vet) fore, I say that they should not be accepted. dangerous suggastion made is tha.t while Firstly, I do not agree with the suggestion selecting Governors, Vice Presidenlof India that a person who is very much in the politics, and the Speaker of Lok Sabha s,hould be should not be appointed a Governor. That consulted. I do not understand wnat link the appears to be the trend of the whole discus- selection uf Governor has with the Speaker sion. The recommendation says that he of Lok Sabha and the Vice President of India should he a person who has not taken great It has nothing to do with the working of the part in politics generally, and particularly in Parliament. h has nothing to do with the the recent past. For that purpose, of course, rights of the Members of Parliament. It has they rely uponourfirst Prime Minister, Pandit nothing to do with the procedure of parlia· Jawaharlal Nehru. But I submit that those mentary functioning. Therefore, in this oner· days were quite different. At that time sev- ous task of selection of Governor, the new eral freedom fighters and very respectable task, the Speaker of the Lok Sabha and the personalities were available and they com- Vice President of India should not be m· manded respect. So, wherever they were valved at all. They have got enough oneroUS appointed Governor, there was no problem. responsibility here and after the passing of Practically everywhere there were no prob- the Anti-defection law, we have put one lems which we are facing today. Now, from more responsibil;ty of finding out whether a today's point of view, I submit that if the Member is qualified or disqualified under the Governor has to perform his function as a anti-defection law. So, this thing should not sentinel of the Constitution and has to keep be d0ne at all and it is a very dangerous a live link w~h the Centre, then I feel that it is propositi0n. With all respect to the Speaker purely a political role and for that purpose and the Vice President of India. I say that you cannot say that you must have merely they should not be involved in the selection men of letters and very learned people and of the Governor at all. that they should be great personalities in some walks of life. It is no use saying that. ~ Another point is that there is one more is a political role and that has to be performed dangerous recommendation. They say thai by a politician only. You can, of course, say if the Governor is asked to go away before that he must be acceptable to the State. You the term of five years, then the explanation 509 Motion Re. CHAfTRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 510 Report o( CommISsIOn Relations should be gIVen to the House Such a dan- much autonomy to the States as poSSible as gerous propositIOn has never been brought far as the States are concerned and their to my notICe and r have never come across aspiratIOns are concerned But every time to such a dangerous propositIOn It says that Involve the State or to subject the Centre to the Government has to lay a statement be- the veto of the States Will not be a good fore both the Houses explall"lng the circum- proposrtl,n It Will go against the whole SPirit stances leading tathe ending of his term and of our Constitution That IS my submiSSion also the Governor's explanatIOn If any should be laid That means everything Will SHRI K S RAO (Machilipatnam) Mr again be a subject matter of diScussion As Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I congratulate Mr soon as the Governor's term ends, every Sarkarla for the tremendous work that he !hlng WII! be discussed here We have al- has done and for the valuable recommenda- ready got enough subjects for diSCUSSion tions he has given In regard to the Centre- here If you allow these thingS, and If these State relations I have only a feeling that things are also brought here, then' think the many of tre recommendations do sound whole politiCS of every State and evefV ac deSirable, but possibly he must not have 110n of the executive Will be subjected to taken Into account several of the leaders In mallgnment, diSCUSSion, defamation, etc the vartous States who think In a different We Will not only say put thiS on record, put manner and some of them forget that they that much on the Table of the House' but we are In a democratic set up Will have no time for discussing other Impor fan! matters There will be no time as far as Sir, as you all know, India IS only one other diSCUSSions are concerned and If they nation and If States are formed, It IS only with are allowed we Will never diSCUSS the budg a view to Increase the effiCiency of the func- e's, legislations etc We shall be diSCUSSing tioning of vartous Governments or better and all these subjects only, which are reall)1 effectiVe Implementation of the poliCies and speaking, not the duties of thiS House and programmes laid down by the national we will be accepting a very very dangeroJs Government as well as State Governments proposition In thiS process If federalism were to be thought of It IS more as a functional arrange- My last pOint IS thiS Sir, there IS one ment But In our experience we have seen recommendation In the Report that the certain Chief Ministers who think that the Governor, while sending an ad hoc or a moment they are elected With a good man lortmghtly report to the President, should date, that IS their I-.lngdom and they are the 'lormally take the Chief Minister Into confi- kings They forget that they have to work dence Now the Governor has to make the Within the framework of the ConstItution and report to the Centre regarding the working of they think that they are supremos, they can '1e Government In that Slate Therefore, do In the manner they 'Want and to Impress there should be a confidential report You upon tne people and to divert the attention of cannot say that you also show that report to the people from their own failures, It has the Chief MInister Then It Will be the begin become the practice to Criticise the Govern- 'lIng of the further confrontation With the ment of India for everything, whether It IS Chief Minister The Chief Minister Will be connected With the Government of India or asking him ''why do you write thiS, It IS not not In thiS connection I will quote several true and that IS not true" Therefore, there will Instances A few years back In Karamchedu a further confrontation Therefore, Sir, from when poor HarlJans were hunted and then t'1IS pOint of view also, such a propOSition killed and when the State Government did should not be accepted at all These things not act properly on that, the Government of knock at the very bottom of our Constitution, India has sent the Home Minister from here namely, the main SPirit that the Centre and our State Government has felt and should be strong, a strong federation should queslloned as 10 how the Home MInister be there, etc Of course, there should be as could come mto Andhra Pradesh w,thout 511 MotionRe. 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[Sh. KS. Rao) sian, some strain but that has to be taken in a good spirit. Possibly when you look at the their permission. This obviously indicates Andhra Government, they think, Governor is that Andhra Pradesh is a kingdom of some also their servant who has to accept every- individual and no Central Minister can come thing they say. I do agree that the Governor without the permission of that King. It is a has to abide by the advice of the Counc~ of pathetic state. tf this was to be the federalism Ministers. I am not finding fault with it. But the that they are thinking, if they think that by Council of Ministers does not mean one virtue of federalism they can be a king of that individual. When one individual thinks that area and nobody else can have an authority he can pass an order, without consulting the and they can forget the democratic rights of Council of Ministers and if that is not agreed every individual, it is quite unfortunate and to by the Governor, then what is wrong? the liberties or the liberalism in their relations between the State and the Centre that they SHRI C. JANGA REDDY (Han- desire will ultimately lead to only independ- amkonda): Do you know what Indiraji did in ent kingdoms. Emergency?

( Interruptions) [ Translation]

Sir, on many an occasion, not once- When Shrimati Indira Gandhi decided usually we all know that the clash between to impose emergency in the country, she the State Government and the Central behaved like a dictator. She did not consult Government is one in regard to the share of anybody. Therefore, dictatorship was the finances from the taxes or revenues. started by her but you are blaming Andhra When you go into the details of the revenues Pradesh. Not only this, she put all the oppo- of the State Government of Andhra SItion leaders behind the bar. Therefore Pradesh-I only talk about Andhra Congress party started this thing in the first Pradesh--bulk of the revenue is comIng instance and not Andhra Pradesh. Will you from the centre. About Rs.f 1100 crores of take steps to curb such activities which lead the budget of the State Government is from to dictatorship? Thereafter we can discuss the Government of India's revenues. I don't the situation prevailing in Andhra say the revenue collected by the Govern- Pradesh.( Interruptions) ment of India is Government of India's own and not the State Government, nor the reve- [English] nue collected by the State Government is their own and the Government of India has SHRI K.S. RAO: He finds blurt with the no authority over it. It is all the more, both the Centre and the provokes the peopkI of State leaders and Central leaders must Andhra PradeSh. The whrna proI:»em is to understand that It IS a common area and catch the votes of the public. Tn. political both of them ought to work In cooperation for leaders are going to the extent of creating ill- the welfare of the CItizens cf the State or the will, creating suspiCion on the grounds of citizens of India. There IS no citizenship regionalism, religion, caste. community and particularly for a State. They forget these everything. They do not bother to what aspects. Though I am happy that JustIce extent it leads to; to what extent the seeds of Sarkari a has arrived at several valuable regionalism will affect, in course of time, the conclusions, while arriving at, he must have mtegratlon of the nation. They are not both- taken into account the leaders like that are ered about it. They are only bothered about prevailing in Andhra Pradesh. There is a the power which they wanted to retain for question about the propriety of the Gover- themselves, for their children and grand- nor. We are living in democrrtcy. Democracy chIldren. This IS pathetic. If they are to under- is nothina but cr-;ecks and balances Yes, in stJ:ld and fight for the proper distribution of thp proces:s, there will always be some ten· r·' ver ue or they are to understand the genu- 513 Motion Re CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-staIB 514 Report of CommiSSIOn RelatIOnS

Ine cause, I would certainly support them My dear Datta Sam ant, It you go to You take the case of Inter-State river dIS- Andhra Pradesh, you Will find, the Chief pute When It IS shanng of water between MInister of Andhra Pradesh concentrates Karnataka, Maharashtra and Andhra the entire power In hiS hands and h. makes Pradesh, It IS the Chief MinISter of Andhra mockery of the Zilla Panshad system Even Pradesh wh:l dechned to srt across the table not one Zilla Panshad can have real power, to dilcvss wrth hiS own counterpart" of Kar- real rlgnt nalaka and Maharashtra How can you iXpad bittle, relatIOns between a State and A Zilla Panshaa Chairman, Andhra a Stat., and a State and the Centr.? Even Pradesh, IS elected by 14 lakha or 15 lakhs for that, the State Government finds fault voters But he IS total zero Do you know with the Government of India That has that? He has created a Development Board beCOmtt a routine practICe In such Circum- headed by an MLA who IS a chamcha under stances, It becomes more Important for him Do you think that that IS the power'? I do JustICe Sarkana to go Into these problems support anyone of you If the State Govern- and then arrived at a conclusIOn, rather than ment were to ask and fight for more powers on a Utopian thing, thinking of democratic and more decentralisatIOn but they must set up and all that He has not taken Into also think In the same terms of making the account the tendencies that are coming up centralisation of power 11 you say that the only with a view to gain political power and power IS concentrated In Centre, I support It nothing else ThiS has to be taken Into ac- But you must have the same thinking when count and possibly thiS finding has to be you do rt It IS not concentrating the power In reviewed by Justice Sarkarta, not In hiS Chief MInister UltImately when thiS hap- Imaginary way pens every Chief MInister says that he believes In democracy I am only saying when Even In regard to border Issues, certain the Chief MInisters do not beheve In democ- people are under the Impression that rt IS racy, when the Chief Mlnlsters think that they their own property and other people think are everything, they are Almighty, they are that It IS their property Nobody IS the owner God then the problem comes Today you of u partICular area It has to be decided with find fault With the Centre Tomorrow you the diSCUSSion across the table It must be have to weep not only that the power IS taken In right Spirit If they provoke people to concentrated In the State but ultimately It Will thp extent of killing each other, then It IS lead to diSintegration of the nation Unless pathetiC Then Centre State relations can- the State Head or the State representatives not be thought of tn that purview The and the Central representattves were to Centre-State relations to the extent of de- think In a democratic way, In a real term, of centralisation of power may be reviewed, for shartng the powers, sharing the revenues, Improving the effiCiency of the State Govern- making laws, With a view only for the beneftt lT1ent or for effective Implementation of the of the people, there IS no use of the diSCUS- poliCies and programmes It they are to be Sion here There IS no use of diSCUSSing the discussed and arrived at the conclUSions for Sarkana CommiSSion report and of fighting that purpose, It IS Ideal from Side of the OPPOSition

Those Members of OPPOSition who DR DAnA SAM ANT (Bombay South fought against the Detamatlon Bill here, who Central) The State Governments are sub- cned that the freedom of the prdss was being Sidiary to Implement something I killed or taken away, they did not speak even one word when their own State Government SHRI K S RAO If a State Chief MiniS- had proposed a Bill against cL.rblng press ter were for Improving the eHlclency of the freedom Do you think only In terms of the State, decentralisatIon, and think In the parties, or personal benefits? Should you same way, I totally support him not think In a common way? What happens 515 MotionRe. APRil 4, 1989 on Centr9-stat9 516 RfIpon of Commilsion Relations

ISh. K.S. Rao) that their revenues are going to a poor State over a period. Unless tne regionaJ imbal- to us? When we think that a particular thing ances are removed, unless every Stat. is is right and it is in the interest of the people, allowed to develop in the same way and the lame thing must be said anywhere and even if one State were to grow faster, it is not everywhere. In the Interest of the nation. But certainly it would be viewed in a different manner. For DR. OUnA SAMANT: No Zilla example, take the case of even Maharash- Parishad elections are held for ten years In tra. But what I am saying would not be Maharat:htra. applicable to the rural areas and remote areas. But coming to Bombay and other SHRI K.S. RAO: I am talking of Andhra suburbs, It is said that one third of the wealth Pradesh. It is a mockery. It is not a Govern- of the nation is concentrated in Bombay. In ment. It is King's rule and it is a kingdom. Bombay If the slogan of the sons of the soli policy were to be raised, imagine what would Day in and day out, the Andhra Pradesh be the fate of the poor people who ar.,iving Government criticises the Governor. What is in the other States in this country. I can it? They think that the Governor cannot VISit understand that there is various geographi- a distrid without the protection of the Chief cal aspect~. Minister. The Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh has gone to the extent of issuing DR. DAnA SAMANT (Bombay South circulars to the Collectors of various districts Central): In Bombay also now people are not to follow the Governor. How pathetic it slarving like you. All the outsiders have IS? Is this with this view that you want more tome. Several traders have powers to be delegated to the State? If that come.( Interruptions) is 1rue, I am not for it. I am sorry. I can certainly understand decentralisation of SHRI K.S. RAO: We know how much power more and more from the Government amount of wealth is there in Bombay. We of India tothe State Government and, in turn, know why people are clogging in Bombay for from the State Government to the district, a better living and all that. I do agree with you from district to the panchayati raj. If this IS that in the process there may be some diffi- understood, then I support this. But, taking culties. But think of Orissa which is a back- .) account all the tendencies of the Oppo- ward State; think of Bihar which is a back- ~",on Chief Ministers, more particularly of ward State. please think of Royalaseema the people living in Andhra Pradesh, I am which is in my State and in my own areas, for sorry, Mr. Sarkana has to review many of the generations, they were not developed recommendations which are made lOJ ~t)n- People had not bothered about those 8rally. They must also take into account all places. People once again go on locating the dictators. (Interruptions) the industries in Bombay and around Bom- bay or even in other developed areas. The MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You speak areas of Royale. 3eema do not have even one about Chittoor district, if you want. major Industry. That has not been thoughtof any time. ThiS IS a bad tendency. In regard to SHRI K.S. RAO: As regard the Indus- industria: regulation also, while giving the trial Regulation Act, normally the dispute licence, Government must think it in terms of between State and Centre comes in regard distributing it to avoid regional imbalances. ,to getting licences for various industries. We The other area of normal confrontation be- have been seeing that every State cries tor tween the Centre and~he States is in respect getting more and more licences. If these of making Bills. I would like to quote only one were to lead to Imbalances in economy, example In this regard. once again there IS liKely to be a confrontation between a rich State and a poor State. In regard to the Concurrent List. the Though a rich State is a rich State, they think 517 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 518 Report of CommissIOn Relations

Government of India has made an Ad and Rama Rao IS to taking advantage of It. the State Governments are allowed to make subsequent amendments Are these [English] amendments to be made only for the benefit of a Single IndIVidual who IS ruling the State? SHRI K S RAO The Urban Land Ceil- I quote the example of the Urban Land Ing Act amendments are not being used for Cetllng Act There IS a Government of India the betterment of the CitIZens They are Act accepted by the State Government of being used for the personal ends of some Andhra Pradesh Later amendments are indiViduals who are ruling the varIOus also there A person who did not have a areas (Interruptions) ThiS approach IS house of hiS own, who did not have 300 sq being adopted by several heads of the State yards of land for himself who opted through Governments In the Opposition-ruled a Cooperative Society to get permission for States It IS only bogus It IS not genuine In 300 sq yards of land was denied permiSSion every aspect But wherever there IS some on the slogan that that Society IS a bogus genuineness, It can certainly be conSidered. society. Not one but hundreds of HOUSing I am for a better understanding I am for the Societies In Andhra Pradesh are denied better relations, for sharing of power and permiSSion by the Chief MInister on the revenues equally Only when every leader of ground that they are bogus societies and a State thinks In th,s manner, then there Will poor people who did not own 300 sq yards be smooth functlonln9 When the expects were denied permission But do you something from the Centre, he must also know·· took permission for 1,50,000 sq give It to the Zilla Panshads and the lower yards (Interruptions) institutions Only then we Will have the right type of relationship between the Centre and Concurrent List doesn t mean that the the State Everyone of us should unani- State Government Will make rules for Its own mously support the right kind of relation- personal ends ships sharing of powers and other matters

( InterruptIOns) Sir, I do not want to create an Impres- sion that I am taking more time than what you MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER I will go have given me In the normal course While through the records congratulating Justice Sarkarta, I feel that he must have also taken Into account the fact SHRI K S RAO What I want to tell IS that the country IS not governed by one that there must be some signs of under- party-of course It IS not wrong But he must standing It IS all relevant It IS not Irrelevant also take Into account the tendenCies of the Making an Act under Jhe Concurrent List regional parties which are provoking people must be In the Interest of the citizens and not In the name of religion, region and language for concentrating power at the hands of only With a view to get the votes and to be In one's own hands (Interruptions) power a'ld are utiliSing all the things for personal ends SHRI C. JANGA REDDY What IS the Central Government dOing? DUring the last SHRI HET RAM (Slrsa) Sir, forty years two years, regarding the Urban Land Ceiling have passed since Independence But the Act, there IS a quarrel even Within the Cabi- poor man who IS hankering for bread, shelter net and proper education, IS not able to get It ThiS shows that the Central Government IS [ Trans/atlon] curbing the hands of the States so that the constitutional machinery does not reach the Somebody says abolish It and some people to make them lead a proper way of other says something else (Interruptions) life The aim of the Constitution and of the Repeat the Urban Land Ceiling Act If N T Government was the betterment of the "'Expunged as ordered by the Chair 519 Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-stete 520 Report of Commission Relations

[Sh. Het Ram] Even today, the students in the villages do not have proper buildings and the stu- common people. But when we look around dents are going without education and us, we see people suffering from everything. people without shelter. What constitutes the This is going down and down. The basic Centre? The Centre comprises of the Presi- needs are food, clothing and shelter. But dent, the Vice-President, the Parliament and these are not available to the people. Even the Ministries of the Centre. In between is the those who are scheduled castes and who Governor. The Sarkaria COmmission has are to share the political, economic and said that the Governor should not be from social power, they are not given that. It is now any political party or a person of active in the air that the panchayati system is going politics. I do not think, politics is corrupting to be developed. But why is this after forty anybody. But Justice Sarkaria is also not at years? Why have the Scheduled Castes not fault because nowadays we are having the been given power? Why have they not Governors they are not up to the standard of shared power from this system. This is only what they should be. They have played to create a hoax between the Centre and the havoc with the State Governments and with States. And they are fighting. When the the people. For nothing this poor country had Centre needs funds, it extravagantly misutil- to face by-elections in Andhra Pradesh ises funds. And it is not providing funds to the because of the activities of the Governor. poor people who are suffering due to floods That fund could have been utilised for the or natural calamities. After three or four prosperity of the country and its people. The months of the natural calamities, the Central Governor of Haryana also had played a Government sends its team to survey the havoc with Mr. Devi Lal's Government. The affected places by aeroplane to see whether State Government was hijacked. All the it is something enjoyable. But that is not the persons were shifted from one party to the truth. Actually, our machinery should work in other and someone was allowed to form tha such a way that common people are bene- Government. This is the way the Governors fited. But that is not done. What is the root are wording. They are practical politicians cause of this? It is the despotic rule of the and they have no norms. They have only Central Government as the Central Govern- pure party politics. They are shifted and ment is now controlling today more than 80 posted as Governors due to politics alone per cent of the resources, more than 80 per and not taking into account any character, cent of the total Borrowings which is going to morale, good background or greatness. be collected from the people. Anything grant or loan which the Central Government takes A politician may be a good person also. from foreign Government or from foreign The Governor of West Bengal Prof. Nurul agency is utilised on the whishes of the Hasan, worked very smoothly and there was Central Government. The State Govern- no problem between the West Bengal Gov- ments are at the mercy of the Central Gov- ernment and the Governor. But in other ernment. They come with a begging bowl States problem is going on. It was there in and say: "there is a calamity, please give us Jammu and Kashmir and in Punjab. We had something, please give us so that we may it in West Bengal at the time of Mr. Dharma feed the poor people of the State. "This sort Vira .. There has always been a bickering of Centre-State relationship is due to lack of between the two. This is because a Gover- imagination on the part of the Central Gov- nor thinks that he is there at the wishes of the ernment. The constitutional machinery Central Government bosses. He will be which was proposed for the people is not there as long as they are happy and the working in a smooth way. moment they are unhappy, they will shift him or turn him out. Security of service of the 15:38 hrs. :';overnor is not there and so he is just a tool in the hands of the Central Government. The [SHRI SHARAD DIGHE in the Chairl. Central Government means only the Council 521 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 522 Report of Commission Relations of Ministers. Though he is actually appointed In Bihar a few days ago some people by the President and in the name of the belonging to Scheduled Tribes have been President, in the real sense he is appointed butchered. After entering this august House by the Council of Ministers. some nine months back. I have been hearing that butchering is going on in Bihar. In Bihar We have to find a way out. Because the Congress Government is there; in the Constitution says that there should be some Centre also Congress Govemment is ruling. connection between the working of the State But even then the butchering is going on Government and him. so that the Central always. There is no way out. Unless and until Government is aware of the situation of the they are given the political, social and eco- State. That is the need and it may not be nomic power. the dream of our great leaders dispensed with. But a person who is above like Dr. Ambedkar, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru petty politics. who is a man of culture and and Mahatma Gandhi will not be fulfilled. By who is acceptable to the people only should only talking here that we are going to de- be appointed as Governor. Hthe Chief Min- velop the Panchayati Raj system you will not ister is consuhed at that. it will not do any serve their interests; you have to go back to harm because the Chief Minister is not from what Mahatma Gandhi said in this regard. In Pakistan or foreign land. He is a part and India the poorest of the poor people may parcel of India. He also means the better- think that they belong to India and India ment of India You cannot think that the belongs to them. Now as far as Haryana is Prime Minister alone is a patriot and the concerned SYL canal is the nerve centre for Chief Ministers are not patriots. They are Haryana agriculture. Arid land is not getting also to ruNt the States. They also think that it water. Target for the completion of this canal should not go against the interests of na- has been fixed len times. Haryana Govern- tional interest and integrity. Chief Ministers ment has suggested changing the name of are equally responsible for the unity and Haryana Agriculture University to that of Integrity of the nation as is the Prime Minister Charan Singh Agriculture University but Dr the Central Government. You should not even that has not been agreed to although doubt the integrity of the Chief Ministers that there is no involvement of funds in naming they witl do something which will go against the university. I do not know what is the the national interest. You have to have faith criteria adopted for this. When Sanjay in the Chief Ministers. I will say, as pointed Gandhi died many streets and places were out in the Sarkaria Commission report, that named after his name although he was a Chief Ministers should also be consulted. non-entity in the Indian political system. Even the sanction for medical college at We have adopted the democratic proc- Agroha has not been cleared by the Central ess. That democratic process is being di- Government a~hough the funds are to be luted day by day at least in the matter of provided by the State Government. Karnal appointment of Chief Ministers who are the refinery has been waiting since long. Land executive heads of the State. Specially In the has been taken but Viability and feasibility States ruled by the Congress Party, the reports have not come. God knows when Chief Ministers have no time schedule. these reports will come and when it will get Today he is appointed as Chief Minister executed. This is the way the Central Gov- there and tomorrow he may be shifted to the ernment is working. It is not cooperating. Centre·and the next day in the morning when India is a Union of States and not Federation he wakes up he will be told that he is made of States. So the States should not be com- the Chief Minister of UP or Bihar or M.P. So ing to the Centre with a begging bowl. They he will always be thinking how to keep the should have share in the resources of the Central bosses happy. He thinks that even if country. Sarkaria Commission has said the interests of the State go to the hell, his corporate and surcharge tax should be Central bosses should be happy. It is hap- shared with the States to augment their penirg in Bihar arid UP and M.P. resources. Main things like education, 523 MotionRe. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-state 524 Rsport of Commission Relations

(Sh. Het Ram] Comm ission also. Such machinery is essential since it would help evolve a satisfactory health, etc. are with the States. Only one relationship between the Union and the major department of Defence is with the States especially in a period when they are Centre whereas most of the resources are likely to be governed by different political with the Central Government and the State partias. The Council should have independ- Governments have to come with a begging ent and adequate secretarial. support and bowl to the Centre. I request to make it a should devise methods to regulate the con- viable relation between the Centre and the duct of its procedure. The suggestions made States so that the common people may have by the Commission in thiS regard are valu- a say in the system. The relations between able. the Centre and the States should be cordial and" should be for the benefit of the people The role of the Governor is of key impor- and not the bosses at the Centre or at the tance in the administrative relations be- States. tween the Union and the States. h has come in for vehement crrticism in recent times and SHAI Y.S. MAHAJAN (Jalgaon): Mr. some people have even demanded the Chairman, Sir, all over the world federalism abolition of the post on the alleged ground is beset with problems of seeking coopera- that some Governors have failed to display tion between Union Government and its the qualities of impartiality and sagacity constituent units on matters of common expected of them or that they have not interest. There were frictions even between shown the necessary objectivi!y in the exer- the Provincial Governments and the Union cise of their discretionary powers. Government in British regime in India. Therefore, while introducing an element of I submit that most of this criticism is federalism they had provided machinery to rooted in the partisan and one-sided attitude settle such disputes under Section 135 of the of the people making it. Government of India Act, 1935. The Governor's post cannot be dis- Sir, in a given polity such as ours which pensed with under our constitutional set-up. is characterised by bewildering variety the He plays, as the Sarkaria Commission says. coordination of policies and their implemen- a pivotal role in our constitutional system and tation becomes extremely important espe- in its working. He is the linchpin of the consti- cially in view of the large areas of common tutional apparatus of the State. He performs interest and shared action. With economic various functions which are of an essential growth, technological development and character. He chooses the Chief Minister socia-political changes new areas of com- after the first general elections. This respon- mon concern crop up and problems which sibility becomes rather heavy and difficult they pose cannot be solved easily at the when no party has an absolute majority. official or even Ministerial level. Therefore, it Secondly, he acts as the Head of the State is necessary to have the sort of machinery and also as an agent of the Union in a few which is recommended by the Commission specific areas during normal times and in a such as an inter-State Council under Section number of areas during abnormal times. As 163. It is true the power given to the Presi- such, he is a vital link between the Union dent to appoint such inter-State Council has Government and the State Governments. It not been used except for limited purpose in must be admitted that a good deal of criti- the field of health, sales-tax, etc. the Sar- cism is directed toward the quality and stan- karia Commission is right, therefore. in sug- dard of the persons appointed as Gover- gesting the appointment of such an inter- nors. Allegations are made that they are State Council with Prime Minister as the partisan or unfair to parties to which they do Chairman. A similar recommendation was not belong and this sort of behaviour impairs made by the Administrative Reforms the system of Parliamentary democracy and 525 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-stats 526 Repolf d Commission RelatiOOs detracts from the autonomy of the State. In gence of groups or States demanding selecting persons for this august post, the greater political autonomy and economic words of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru are al- powers or even cessation from the Union. ways borne in mind. Speaking in the Con- The Commission considered the functioning stituent Assembly, he observed, 'J think it of the Constitution or Centre-State relations would be infinitely better if he was not so from this point 01 view, in the historical per- intimately connected with the local politics of spective and bearing in mind the needs of a the province.' He should be, in his view, a developing country aspiring for a decent detached figure, a person from outside, who standard of living for its people w~h moderni- is not a part of party machinery and is emi- zation and technological development of its nent in some walk of life. economy.

Financial relations playa crucial role in The framers of the Constitution had all types of federations with a mu~i-tier gov- gone through the frightful experience of the ernment. They give rise to difficult problems partition, when millions of people died or unless the matter is handled with under- suffered from untold miseries, privations and standing and accommodation. In our coun- atrocities. The ·and of the five rivers had try, some States have complained about the become the scene ::)f desolation with blood paucity of their resources and have claimed and corpses of hundreds of thousands of a greater share from the revenues of the people spread over the land. Secondly. the Union Government. Those matters are framers had fortunately a strong historical settled on the basis of recommendations sense. History is a witness to the fact that made by the Finance Commission, which is India always fell a prey to outside invaders a quasi-judicial body and the Planning whenever the central power in India became Commission. The Finance Commission is weak. appointed every five years whereas the Planning Commission is a permanent body Thirdly, India had already a unitary though set up by an executive order of the Government under the British rule, though Union Government. During the Sixth Five the Government of India Act 1935 had intro- Year Plan, out of the total resources trans- duced certain elements of federalism. ferred from the Union to the States, 40 per cent were transferred on the advice of the Realizing the historical necessity and Finance Commission, 43 per cent on the the ne!ed to counter divisive forces, the advice of the Planning Commission. Apart Constituent Assembly wisely decided to from these, other transfers made by the emphasise the federal elements and at the Uniol1 Government amounted to about 16 same time, base the Constitution on a strong per cent of the total. This constitutional Centre. The Indian Constitution was thus the scheme of division of resources or taxing result of historical experience and an envi- powers and the system of transfers on the ronment in which the unity and integrity of advice of the Finance and Planning India assumed serious importance, as the Commissions has worked well. What is Commission says: necessary is for the States to tap their resources fully and manage their finances In firm consistency with their resolve to more carefully. (fthey did so, it would not be constitute a federation with a strong necessary for them to go in for overdrafts Centre, the framers of the Constitution from the Reserve bank of India or look to the made an elaborate distribution of gov- Centre for help which is always given without ernmental powers -legislative, ad- reference to party affiliations. ministrative and financial-between the Union ard the States. To make it strong, they gave weightage to the The appointment of the Sarkaria Union, allocating to it dominant and Commission was occasioned by !he emer- relatively larger powers." 527 Motion f1g. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-state S28 Report of Commission Relations

[Sh. \1.5. Mahajan] reoommendations deserve appreciation. Recommendations on which the Govern- This division of power, it should be noted, is ment has no reservations. should be ac- not water-tight cepted immediately. There has been a discussion on these recommendations in the In spite of the emergence of linguistic Rajya Sabha and in the Consultative chauvinism, report to violence and extra- Committee of the Home Ministry also. These constitutionaJ methoQs by some groups and are now being discussed here. The sugges- the ugly upsurge of sub-nationalistic forces, tions have been received from the 19 States. in some parts of the country, in the words of All the recommendations acceptable to the the Commission .... experience has demon- Government after discussion should be strated that the fundamental scheme and given acceptance during the Monsoon Ses- provisions of the Constitution have with- sion. Members from both the sides of the stood reasonably well the inevitable House have suggested that there should be stresses and strains of the movement of a strong centre and the State should also be heterogeneous society towards its develop- strong. I also agree that both the States and mental goals.· the Centre should be strong. Members from the opposition benches are trying to impress It has a sufficient degree of diversity and that the financial powers of the States should elasticity and to increase ~ further by in- be increased. But will it strengthen the creasing the powers of the States will not be centre. It is a big danger. Therefore, what is available. As Dr Ambedkar said: "When needed is to think how the Centre and the diversity created by division of authority in a State both can be made strong. It is a very dual polity goes beyond a certain point, it is serious matter. The Centre should invariably capable of producing chaos." be strong even if some of the State remain weak. If the centre is not strong. the country Though there is no need for any drastic is not safe even the freedom may be in changes in the Constitution, the changes danger. Even if some of the States are weak. proposed by the Commission in the function- centre should be strong and its financial ing of the Constitution are important. They position should be sound. If the centre is not are suggestions for the development of strong. the dignity of the country as also the codes of conduct and conventions, which power of the nation will be adversely af- would reduce friction and make the function- fected. We ruled the country for 20 years ing of the Constitution more smooth and since 1947. There was no dispute regarding build a stronger India. We all stand for a the powers of the Governors during this strong federal State. not for a strong Centre period because there were Congress and week States. but a strong federal State, Governments in the States. OpPOsition par- which has strong Centre and strong States. ties formed their Governments in some of H we follow the broad conclUSions of Sar- the States in 1967. karia Commission and not the details, to which you objected, Sir, we will be able to PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: ThoV achieve our goal. will be centre In 1990.

16.00 hr •. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: There should be no prescribed norms for the ap- [ Translation} pointment of Governors. It will not be proper for us. Therefore, guide lines suggested by SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN the Sarkaria Commission should 08 serio (BARMER): Mr. Chairman, I have gone ouslyconsidered.1t has bean recommended through most of the portions of the Sarkaria that the person for the office of the GoY.roor Commission reports presented to this should be an eminent and lIterate person House and have observed that some of with a good reputation and he should not be Motion Re. CHAfTRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 530 Rsport of Commission Relations

• poIidcian. Is the politician not a learned the matter has to be reported to the Central man? He knows much about the administra- Government and the Central Government is tion. He should not be such a politician who also unwilling to take action against them. H hal no image and no reputation. " a person, we can not enforce discipline among the who does not have a good reputation and officers of All India Services and do not take who does not have any place In the Con- action against them. they are bound to gress party, is appointed as a Governor, he drown themselves in corruption. You have is liked neither by the Congress ruled states vested too much powers in them with the nor by the states, where the opposition par- result that there is no control over them. It is ties are in power. Therefore, it is impera:ive a matter of concern and we should consider to make such appointments wisely. The as how to empower the State Governments Governor has several functions to dis- to suspend them. Several officers of the All charge. At times the situation in the states India Services have done commendable may become so critical that Question of dis· work in the states and they have a mer~~ missal of the Government may arise. Some· based standing. Therefore, I want that there times the question of majority support to the should be All India Services in the fields of Government is doubted. In this regard the agriculture. co-operation, education and Sarkaria Commission has recommended engineering. Tamil Nadu is opposing this that this matter should be solved at the floor proposal but it should realise that the serv- of the House by convening a meeting of the ices of the officers of the All India Services, concerned Legislative Assembly. The who are appointed on merit basis, will im- leader of the largest party who is appointed prove the administrative functioning of these as the Chief Minister must seek a x vote of sectors. I want to refer to Rajasthan in this confide"ce within 30 da}'s of his appoint- connection. In my constituency, the posts of ment. These suggestion are worthy of being district education officer, additional director accepted and should be accepted. But we and the director of eduction are very impor- cannot agree that the provisions of Article tant posts but.do not come within the purview 311 of the Constitution may be invoked and of All India Services and appointment to the a show cause notice may be issued for his above posts are made on promotion. Conse- dismissal. He is not a Government servant. quently, the standard of education is not Therefore, this recommendation cannot be what it should be. Similarly, there should be accepted. All India Services in the engineering saetO! as well. Steps should be taken immediately Now I would like to submit a few points in this direction. The Sarkaria Commission about the All India Services. The manner of has also suggested setting up of an Inter- functioning of the oHicers of the All India State Council. It is very essential to set up Services in the states has led to disputes such a council. There are disputes between between bureaucrats belonging to the State many states in regard to rivers. As regards Governments and the Centre. The officers of the setting up of public sector industries, the All India Services do not warn to aubmlt some states have advanced much and to the discipline of the State Governmenta. some states are lagging behihd. Rajasthan They say that they are under the C.ntral wants the coach indus-try to be set up there Government and the State Government do and other states want it to be set up in their not have the authority of suspending them or own states. The Centre has obliged some of taking disciplinary action against them. states by setting up many public sector units Thus, in the absence of discipline they have while some states have been ignored. This also become vulnerable to corruption but as position needs to be reviewed as it destroys they are well organised, it becomes difficu~ regional.balance. The recommendation for to take action against them. This is an issue setting up of an Inter-State Council compris- of serious concern. If the tA.S. and I.P.S. ing of the Prime Minister as its Chairman and officers become corrupt, ~ is very difficult to State Chief Ministers as its members to take action against them. In the first instance decide the disputes regarding Public Sedor 531 Motion Rs. APRIL 4, 1989 on C-entre-stats 532 Rsport of Commission Rslations

[Sh. Virdhi Chander Jain] case of drought situation and amount spent on flood relieffalfs under the category of non- industries is a welcome suggestion and I plan expenditure but the criteria for providing agree with it because it is very essential to assistance in both these cases are different. settle such disputes. In case of drought. assistance is provided in the form of 50 per cent grants and 50 percent If we want unity and integrity of the as loans, if the situation is very grave. I think country, the nation must be made strong. In that it is for this reason that a number of our order to have a strong nation, it is imperative States which are constantly affected bv to have a powerful centre. There is no doubt some natural calamity or the other are crum- that the Centre is strong because otherwise bling under the burden of loans and their it would not have been possible to extend condition is deteriorating day by day. Thara- As. 585 crores to the Rajasthan Govern- fore, in view of the need of the hour. States ment tor tad(ling the severe drought which should be provided with funds on uniform gripped Rajasthan last year and the State basis to face the situation arising from flood, Government could successfully deal w:th famine or earthquake and 75 per cent ex- this natural calamity. " the responsibility of penditure should be non-plan expenditure in tackling natural calamities like drought, case of famine too. famine and floods is left to be shouldered by the State Governments, they will not be in a There are several schemes which are position to face the situation without central necessary for the removal of regional imbal- assistance because of lack of resources and ances, for example the Desert Development financial constraints inspi!e of delegation of Programme which has been particularly financial power and strengthening to their prepared for Rajasthan. Rs. 245 crores were economic capacity. Natural calamities can allocated for this scheme under the Seventh be best handled and solved by a strong Five Year Plan but I am surprised to learn centre. that the amount has been curtailed and hardly Rs. 100 crores have been spent on It. Keeping all these points in view it IS It IS not proper to cut down expenditure on essential to amend the Gadgil formula ac- such Important programmes, rather maxi- cording to the need of the times because mum allocation should be made to maintain some states are making rapid progress regional balance. Similarly Rs. 200 cores while others are lagging behind. The Gadgil were provided for the Border Areas Devel- formula should be suitably amended to opment Programmes but this amount has ensure uniform development of all the remained unspent safar. What I meanto say States. The area of the concerned State is that whatever steps fare taked for remov- should be taken as the criteria because the ing regional imbalance should be concrete length of roads in Rajasthan is more thun one and the amount tillocated therefor other States with the resu~ that the total cost shou~d in no case be reduced later on. Ra- of construction is higher. We want that drink- jastnan will be able to come at par With other ing water should reach every village but as State through such programm~ only, and be the villages are far flung the cost is higher. able to contribute to the progress, unity and These are the works, which arE' essential for integrIty of the nation. the development of the country and besides, it is the duty of the Government to ensure With these words, I welcome the recom- supply of drinking water to all. The area of the mendations made in thl Sarkaria state should be taken as the criteria for the Commission's report and I want thot the allotment of funds. 'herefore it is essential to Centre should accept and tak~ ntKns!Jry amend the Gadgil formula from the point of steps to implement these recomm9nda~ions view of regional balance. Only this can en- at the earliest so that harmonious relations sure uniform development. Secondly, funds are established between he Central and the are provided for taking up advance works in State Governments. 533 MotionRe. CHAfTRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centr9-stats 534 Report of Commission Relations

[English] powers-they have far more powers in their States in those countries than our States SHRI CHARANJIT SINGH WALIA enjoy-are thosa countries disintegrating? (PatiaJa): Mr. Chairman. Sir, the debate and Do those countries have no control over the discussion on Centre-State relations or re- States? structuring of the relations between the Centre and the States has been engaging Our Government is very much vocal the attention of the people of this country for and it is daily harping on this point that, 'We the past at least two decades because when want to bring democracy to the grass-roots the Constitution was framed the framers of of this country by providing mora powers to the Constitution did everything according to the Panchayats whether they are adminis- the circumstances or according to the condi- trative powers or whether they are financial tions prevalent at that time. Naturally, with powers." May I ask the Government, are the passage of 40 years, the social, financial, they sincere in it? Do they want to control the economic and political conditions of this States by remote control? Hthey feel that by country have gone through a big change. giving more powers to the Panchayats and And that is why there is a demand from all at lower levels more development will be corners and regions of this country, that the there, then why do they new deny the States States must be given more powers because more powers when they ask for them. Simul- they are essential for the proper develop- taneously they want more powers at the ment of their respective areas. Centre. Then, what is the mistake of the States? When we ask. we want a strong And in this context the Government centre and we want a strong country. There appointed the Sarkaria Commission and the is no dentinal of the fact. The Centre can Commission got a good opportunity to give have External Affairs, Defence, Communi- its rerommendations to restructure the pres- cations and such Departments. And for the ent system. h is essential, as can be seen, better development of the States, they that about 62 amendment have been made should do away w~h the centralisation, and to the Constitution and so many changes they should decentralise the powers so that have been brought whenever we thought it proper development of rt:!gions and the was necessary, to bring the changes in. But States can be made. For this purpose, I I am sorry to point out that the Sarkaria think, the Sarkaria Commission did not do Commission roufd not make use of this justice. This is the concentration of powers opportunity and it fumbled and these recom- with the centre. It has resulted in confronta- mendations are not up to the mark and are tion, friction between the centre and the non- disappointing. Congress Governments in the States because for small things, for small sanctions. My friends sometimes view with con- they have to approach the centre. Even the cern when more powers for the States are Concurrent List also is being shrinking and demanded. They feel and perhaps they that is also being encroached upon by the apprehend also, and there is a lurking fear in centre, and the Bills concerning issues or their minds, that when the States are subjects incorporated in the Concurrent List stronger, when the States get more powers. are being held up. I think, giving more pow- that will weaken the country as a whole. But ers to the States is in the best interest of the I say that their fears are unfounded. They are country and it will not harm the unity and Imaginary. If the States are strong and they integrity of the country, rather it will make the are stronger, how does the country become country stronger and the people of the weak? h is very astonishing. States will be very happy and put more work to strengthen the States. May I ask the Government, through you, when there are so many countries in the In regard to appointment of Governors. World where the States enjoy enormous the Sarkaria Commission has done some- 535 Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-state 536 Report of Commission Relations

(Sh. Charanjit Singh Walia) must be made stronger in the interest of the country. thing and putforth certain conditions in selecting Governor for the States. They are With these words, I conclude. correct and it should be so. Any person who is an active political leader of the party at the [ Translation) centre should not be appointed in a State where the Ministry of the other party is there SHRI GIRDHARI lAl VYAS (Bhil- because that will create friction, that will wara): Mr. Chairman Sir, the report of the create disharmony and that will affect the Sarkaria Commission contains many com- cordial relations. Keeping in the interest of mendable suggestions and the party, he wit! create hurdles as is being recommendations. The Central Govern- experienced in certain States, Kerala, Ben- ment should accept these recommenda- gal, etc. Governors are the representatives tions in order to strengthen the democratic of the centre. They are the eyes and ears of process. the centre, but they are the heads of the States also. So in the best interest of the First and foremost we have to see as to working of the States and the country, there how the unity and integrity of the country can should be mutualtrust, harmony and cordial- be strengthened and independence safe- ity between the State Governments and the guarded. All thiS can be done when the Centre. That can be done only when persons Centre is strong. The history of the country IS whh opposing political interest should not be full of examples testifying to the fact that made Governors i(l the States. whenever the Centre became weak

The Sarkaria Commission itself feels whether during the Gupta Empire or Mughal and it has mentioned in its report that Article Rule or any other penod--our country not 356 has often been misused. I think, this only disintegrated but became slave. Article must be deleted so that the Governor is not able to misuse or exploit this Article to I am just remaining you the past history. the detriment of the party in power in the I remind you just as a warning to be careful State because some Governors in the past, in future. If we.go on committing this type of have failed to observe impartiality and sa- mistakes and weaken the centre, it isdefinite gacity in their role as Governors. that the future of our country will become dark. The Sarkaria Commission in its report In the end, I would strongly advocate has recom mended that the centre should be and plead that if we want that our country strong. It should be so provided that the should be stronger, then the Central Gov- centre becomes more and more strong and ernment should do away with the policy of the country ;3 protected more strongly. The centralisation of powers and it should dispel States can also be made stronger. But, what fearsf from its mind that giving of powers to are the fields in which the States should the States will weaken the country. Such become strong? The States should be given fears are unfounded. The Government al- more Hnancial assistance so that they could ways says that it wants to remain within the strengthen the people of their respective Constitution, it believes in democratic way of regions economically. They could ensure life, that democracy should be strengthened development of their region. If the State are and it should have the deepest roots in the made stronger financially the regional imbal- country so that the country should be ances could be removed. The States should stronger. For that purpose, it should have the be given more powers so that they could minimum powers. The Centre should have develop in these fields. " the powers to defence, external affairs, currency commu- States are given systematically, it is definite nications and some other powers which are that the centre will also become strong. Ifthe more essential for making the country States are made stronger, the democratic system in the country will progress. It shoul<) strong. We do not question it. But the States 537 Motion Re. CHAITRA ~ 4, 1911 (SAKA) on Centle-state 538 Report of Commission Relations be done systematically so that we car, rn arch erty utilised in the State. H they spend the ahead. entire money given to them under 20 point programme on strengthening the cadre of Secondly, I would like to offer my views the Communist Marxist Party, it becomes about the Government. Just now the hen. the duty of the governor to report to the Member was also speaking and the other President that the money released from the han. Colleagues also held the same views centre is being misused. It becomes his duty that the Governors function as the represen- to report to Central Govemment that the tatives of the President in the States. h is Government is inefficient and therefore, their responsibility to see that the State should be dismissed. Similarly there are machinery runs properly. H any State goes other Governments like that of Andhra, against the constitution, goes against the Pradesh and others. Shri Rao was just now democratic system or indulges in any act telling that one person has turned totally a which poses a threat to our democracy, it dictator and there is nobody to check him. If becOmes the duty of the governor to check the governor controls him, it is part of his the State concerned from doing so. He duty. If somebody makes some mistake he should set the machinery right so that the should be checked from doing so. IF some- State administration can run properly. If the body distributes land to his relatives on a Governor makes these arrangements and large scale and does not allot land to coop- sends his recommendations to the Presi- erative societies which are supposed to get dent that the State Government is function- the same it is a great injustice. Our hon. ing in a wrong way, it is his duty. It is obvious colleague Shri Janga Reddy is tolerating this that if the Governor acts as per the provi- injustice. (Interruptions) Shri Rajiv Gandhi is sions of the constitution, the State Govern- a very good man and he has been managing ment will term it as a stifler action and blame the country's affairs very firmly and tolerat- him. But the Governor should perform his ing such persons who are not at all useful. I duty properly. Then only the State Govern- WOUld, therefore, like to submit that there ment can run properly. should be a strong persons to check this system. He should be such a person who will I am of the view that some of the recom- be able to help the State Governments in mendations made in the Sarkaria managing the affairs of the Centre properly. Commission's report about the appointment It is not necessary that he should go against of the Governor are correct. It has been the state Government. If it works well, he recommended, inter alia, that the candidate should definitely help it and should not go for the office of the Governor should be an against it. If any State Government commits educated person, a literate one. At the same any mistake it is necessary to check if from time it has also been recommended that he doing so. It is his duty. If he discharges his should not be a political person. How can a duty and for that if the State Government person without a political background could gets annoyed with him, he should not be put become a Governor? How can he decide the into any trouble. If he is personally against course of action he will be required to take me or you or any others he should keep in when confronted with various odd s~u mind that he assumed the office by taking at ions? H an educationist or a scientist is are oath and he has faith in the constitution. made a governor, how can he discharge the It is becomes his duty to discharge his duties duties of the post..(lnterruptions) I have to so as to strengthen the country. It is very offer my views, does not matter if they are essential to strengthen this system. As such not upto your taste. " he is not a political the recommendation in Sarkaria Commis- person how can he understand the ups nd sion Report that the governor should keep downs. There are people of the Communist off politics is, what I feel, totally wrong. But it Marxist Party in West Bengal. How to ensure is certain that his other qualifications like that the money released from the centre integrity etc. should be such against which under the 20 point programme is being prop- nobody\ would raise a finger. He should be MoIionRs. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-slate 540 Report of Commission Relations ISh. Girdhari lal Vyas) solution is found. Interstate council can never take any such decision. For example, acceptable to all. how can an Inter-State Council decide the boundary dispute between Karnataka and I do not agree with the recommenda- Maharashtra, Cavery water dispute among tions made in the Sarkaria commission two to three States, boundary dispute be- Report regarding the Judiciary. It has been tween Assam and other States. So 1feel that recommended that there should be no trans- it is not proper to set up different councils for fer of the Judges. Why should not the Judges states. It creates misunderstanding and be transferred? Various parties have formed enmity among different states. There is a their Governments in different States. Sup- need to take note of these things. Similarly. pose the Chief Minister of Congress ruled the Government constituted the Planning State or the Chief Minister of the T elugu Commission and appointed members to the Desham Party in Andhra Pradesh or the commission considering them most capable C.P.M. Chief Minister in West Bengal ad- for the job. They are vested with the respon- vises for the appointment of a particular sibility of preparing plan for the whole coun- person as the Judge of the High court in their try. But I am of the view that the Planning respective States and the Chief Justice Commission should take representatives of accepts their advice and the person so different states as its Members so that they recommended becomes the Judge. After could make suggestions for the develop- becoming the Judge and joining the judiciary ment of their respective states. The plans he does nol provide justice to the people and should be prepared on the basis of their has a link wnh the party, no matter whether suggestions. This way the process of plan- it is the case of C.P.M. , B.J.P. or any other ning can make progress. political party, and indulges in party politics, then what is wrong in transferring such per- You have admitted that the plans after sons. h should definitely be done. People having been cleared at the Central level are who function in a wrong manner and talk of not implemented properly when they reach party links deserve to be transferred and the State level, the district level. That is why such judges and Chief Justices must be you propose the entrust the planning proc- transferred. This recommendation of the ess to the district level by strengthening the Sarkaria Commission is not at all accept- Panchayati raj System. When you think able. h is absolutely within the jurisdiction of yourself that plans should be prepared at the the Central Government to transfer such district level and developments made in the judges and chief justices to other States. For country on the baSIS of their views, it will be this, concurrence of the chief justice of India in the fitness of things that representatives of is also taken. This arrangement is totally different states are taken in the Planning right and there is no need to effect any Commission and the Planning process is change in it. expedited in accordance with their views. This will definitely give a boost to planning I would like to make yet another subm IS- and will enable you to remove the regional sian. The question of Inter-State council has imbalances in the backward areas and also come up in the course of discussion. At the remove the other shortcomings. I suggest Central level the National Development that thiS arrangement should be adopted. council comprising of the chief Ministers of the State and Cabinet Ministers of the centre Similarly I the Finance Commission is as its members has been formed. The Prime appointed atter every five years. h suggests Minister heads this council. This council the ways and means of giving financial as- deals with the overall development in the sistance to different states. I feel that repre- country. What will be the position if separate sentatives from different states should also Inter-State Councils are constituted, Inter- be taken in this commission. It takes a lot of state dispute are placed before them and no time when members of the commission are 541 Motion Rs. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Csntf9-stat. 5Q Rsport 01 CommissIOn Rslations taken from the centre only In thIs case they should take measures to check su;h ... move from place to place, collect Information management That IS alii wIshed to make my and it IS only after that they are In a poSitIOn points With these words, I conclude. to make any suggestIOn. Even then It has so many shortcomings. I suggest that repre- [English) sentatIVes from the States be taken In this commissIOn also. It will do a lot of good to the SHRI N TOMBI SINGH (Inner Ma- States ",pur) Mr Chairman, Sir, thiS IS a vast. comprehenSive and detailed document. So. I would rtke to submit about the situatIOn It IS not posstble to rover In a few minutes all prevailing In my state as notJCed Ly me Shn the aspects The speakers of distinctIOn V,rdhl Chander has JUst now made some have made observatIOns and suggestions points about our State Rajasthan IS the most on Important pomt and I would not like to backward State while the funds allocated to repeat those It on the baSIS of Gadgll formula are the least as compared to other States As a result of The terms of reference had dearly IndI- whICh our State has been lagging behind 10 cated that the CommiSSIOn has to examine development Though the population of thiS the working of the relatIOnship between the State IS not so dense, yet It IS the largest States and the Unton In relatIOn to the SOOO- Stat~ In area Due to thin denSity of popula- economIC developments that have taken tion, Government allocates less funds to place dunng the last few years It IS quite In Rajasthan, as a result of whICh rapid devel- the fitness of things that after passage of opment of the States does not take place In time, 40 years after Independence, we are the hghtofthls fact, the Gadgll formula needs making a look to our own system. to our own to be amended so that we could get maxI- Constitutional prOVISions, the relatIOns be- mum funds and the pace of development tween the States and the UnIOn and also the could be accelerated mechanism that we have for the development of the country The term "cooperative In order to remove regional Imbalance, federalism" has been very emphatICally railway and other faCIlities are required to be used and rightly so because there IS a baSte provided on priority baSIS The State IS not difference between cooperation and compe- getting Its due share In the Central grants to tition The States and the Unton have to work meet Its reqUirements Railway Board IS not In the spIrit of cooperatton ThIS means, aware of the conditIOns prevailing In the element of mutual subordmatlOn When two country The Plannmg Commission and cooperatives function, they function not In other development agencies prOVIde Just 1% competition If at all there IS any competitIon, of the funds to Rajasthan while the popula- that IS healthy competrtlon The competitIOn tion of the State constitutes 5% of the coun- IS resolved to cooperation, which again IS try If at all funds are allocated on the baSIS resolved to mutual subordinatIon, In the of population, all lea5t 5% of funds should Interest of mutual atmosphere have been allocated to us Industries In public sector should be set up there In order I would like to Invite the attentIOn of the to remove regional Imbalance There IS Government of India to the memoranda shortage of such Industnes there So I would submitted by the backward States, partICu- like to submit that representation should be larly from my region and whIle accepting the given to the State Governments In all the recommendations they have reJected some financial bodies so as to ensure proper diS- of the recommendations wherever nece~ bursements of funds to the State Govern- sary I would JOvlte the attention to the rer ments Of course, some sort of Central ommendatlons made In regard to our group control and monltonng should be there so as of States whICh are stili economICally non ... to check misuse of funds by the State Viable When the States re-organtsatlon was Governments The Government of India formed, the question was raised at a very 543 Motion Re. 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[Sh. N. Tombi Singh] small States like Himachal Pradesh Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Tripura', high level and the whole nation was exer- Meghalaya. Manipur and Mizoram. the big. cised whether only viable regions should ger States are more or less industrially de- have the status of States in the Union and veloped areas and they do oot stand any only economically viable ones should be comparison with the States and they stand given the status of States. Panditji and also on a different footing. In order to remove this those who subscribe to the philosophy of regional backwardness. economic imbal- Gandhiji and Panditji and those who framed ance among the States and, for that matter, the Constitution were of the opinion that within that State also. the Government has to India being a cooperative federalism, in a give certain priorities at the time of licenSing, welfare state, there is no question of leading to industries at the time of encouragement State or economically viable State in a given by way of financial and other facilities to time because we have to progress in bal- backward areas. Only by laying emphaSIS ance between the States of different finan- on this aspect, we can remove regional cial position, economic potential and all that. imbalance in the State and we shall be able As we look to the whole Constitution and to pursue this relationship on cooperative also to the history of our functioning of the federalism. Constitution in the last 4 decades, we see that economic imbalance, regional imbal- The relationship, as we have already ance that was seen at the time of States Re- discussed, has been a very delicate relation· organisation Commission is still there. Of ship because Centre is not supposed to drag course, we have added a few more new the two forces of centrifugal and centripetal States in the list of States. We have to take forces working together between the States into account all these factors and we have to and the Centre. The States shall have their lift up the economically non-viable States to own autonomy and that way. Centre shoulo economically viable States. also exercise its own coordinating faCIlity and power. But, there should be always a Coming to the recommendations of the compromise between these two. These two Sarkaria Commission, on this aspect, I forces, centripetal and centrifugal, should would like to invite the attention of the Gov- always work in complete understanding and ernment that so long as these small or finan- compromise and harmony. according to cially and economically non-viable States need. To this end, I would like to stress the are not lifted to a common level, the unity, need for more emphasis on this aspect. integrity and welfare that IS projected In the spirit of the Constitution will be a far cry. With Referring to some other aspects, the that objective, priority should be given to the matter relating to the appointment and trans· elimination of the economic or regional fer of Governors, we have discussed thiS imbalance that is still eXisting. To that end, matter. In India or, for that matter, in any we should pay our attention to trade, industry given society, there is a class of people, who and other development projects that have show hatred towards pomics and pol~lCal been initiated in different States. parties but, they do not realise that thiS hatred is a guise of politics also. h is a So far, I listened to some of the negative politics. When we say that a Gover· "'jJaeches that have been made earlier. nor has not been in politics very recently and Mention has been made of imbalances he has not taken too grave a part, this charge within State and inside a State. Andhra is inspired by great merits and brilliance that Pradesh, and Maharashtra have also their has been displayed in the framing of the own backward areas. UP has backward recommendations. This is misplaced and we area. Bihar has got its own backward areas do not like to go into further details. This IS but, to an extent Bihar has been termed as a rejected as my friends have already men- backward State. But, in comparison With the tioned. Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-stats 546 Report of Commission Relations

Referring to another aspect, the All relations. I have a doubt and apprehension India Services occupy a very important in my mind that when this Government is place in keeping the constitution functioning there which is very much in favour of central- and keeping in view the inter-State relations ised powers, whether in future, we would be and also in maintaining uniformity through- able to discuss the Centre-State relations. It out the country. But, in this regard the is a continuous process, of course. We Commission has to be appreciated. Be- cannot deny that. I want to drive home the cause it has made an observation that the point as to how this Government is appoint- present trend of generalising selection in ing the Governors and transferring them, the their training should be stopped. Rather we way in which this Government is applying should lay more emphasis on specialisation. Article 356 of the Constitution to satisfy their The trend in the All India Services like lAS, lust and the way in which this Government is IPS. as we have sometimes seen from our taking up so many subjects of the States to experience, is, of course, towards a favour- the Concurrent List. I agree with the Mem- able change. At one stage, when the distri- bers of this side who were saying that the bution of the All India Service people, lAS, relationship between the Centre and the IPS and other Services, were not well-dis- States is deteriorating day by day. h should tributed all over the country, in my own area, be mentioned here. Moreover, it is all the we have the experience of lAS and IPS more necessary to wipe out the colonial people, speaking at random in formal func- legacy in the behaviour of the Centre. The tions. They are saying: "We are patronising behaviour of some Governors is such that you."They say that they were acting at a time they think that they are not for serving the as agents of imperial Government, acting people of the concerned States but 10 serve under the colonial country. But the trend has their masters at the Centre. This is the atti- now changed. We have more and more lAS, tude of the Governors. In this context, so IPS and other All-India Service people dis- many views are coming out. Some of the tribut!3d more or less all over the country. Members are in favour of having a very There is now no community, big or small, powerful Centre. There are other Members without having lAS, IPS and other officers. who are in favour of having strong States. But at one time, two decades ago, there We are of the opinion and particularly my were communities which considered having party is of the opinion that the concept of a an lAS, or IPS Officer as a status symbol. Of strong Centre is a misnomer. If the States course, that trend has changed now. But become stronger and stronger, then ulti- what I would like to emphasise in this context mately th~ Centre will be strong. In this is that we should enhance the specialisation background, the Sarkaria Commission was trend among the cadres and imbue in their appointed. If we go through the Sarkaria minds the spirit of national unity through Commission Report, I am sorry to say, that which they will unite wherever they work. We the recommendations of the Commission have to infuse the sense of unity. At the same have not fulfilled the aspirations which time, it should not be like that of having a aroused in the minds of the people at that sense of arrogance or bossing over the other time when the Sarkaria Commission was set people who are working under them. This is up. I must say that the recommendations a very important suggestion that I would like that have been made by the Sarkaria to make. Commission are all very much calculated and very much measured towards the objec- With these few observations, I would tive of creating a strong Centre. That has like to conclude. been done at the cost of the States. Again, I must say that the conception of a strong SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN (Cooch Centre is a misnomer. The Government has Behar): Mr. Chairman, Sir, for the last few bid a good-bye to the idea of federalism. It days, we are discussing the Report of the has rejected the proposal at the time of the Sarkaria Commission on the Centre-State Constituent Assembly itself. 11 has made up 547 MotionRe. APRIL 4. 1989 on C9ntf9-state 548 Rsport of Commission Rslations

[Shri Amar Roypradhan] Another positive recommendation is about the Planning Commission and the the Union of States. This Government has National Development Council. So many forgotten the concept of unity in diversity. Members have said that there is no necessity for a separate Inter State CouncU be- 17.00 hra. cause there is a Planning Commission and the National Development Council. h has I do not know. Some time back, Dr. been in the Report itself that the NDC met Dhillon was here. Dr. Dhillon and Mr. B.A. only 39 times since 1952, within 36 years. Shagat are the two old veteran Members of Sometimes, the gap between two meetings this House. I can appreciate the views ex- is about two years and four months. Hit is so, pressed by them. But I cannot agree with the how can it function. Who is responsible for view expressed by Shri R.L. Bhatia. Why is this - the State Governments or the Central he so much agitated over Article 263. I think, Government? It is the Central Government you have totally forgotten. I know your back- who is in power and they are responsible for ground. In your election manifesto, long this violation of this Constitution. I feel, the . back in 1946, even in the Congress mani- recommendation regarding the Planning festo, it was stated and I quote: Commission and the NDC must be taken up immediately without further delay. "A free democratic State, a federal one with an autonomy for its constituent I also welcome the recommendation units; and maximum freedom for its that has been made in the Sarkaria constituent units." Commission's Report about the corporate tax. But, at the same time, I would like to But you have forgotten all this. At this stage. remind that this has been discussed very I must say the recommendation that have many times in this House. been made in the Sarkaria Commission Report are not altogether bad. I must say But what about the Consignment Tax? that it has not got a negative approach. What It is not only the West Bengal Government or Mr. Bhatia resented very much about the the Kerala Government who are crying for inter-State relations is very much in the rec- this Consignment Tax. Mr. Chairman, you ommendation and I quote: are from Maharashtra. It is the Chief Minister of Maharashtra who said that at least Rs. "Since 1967, parties and coalition of 3000 crores to Rs. 4000 crores have not parties other than the one manning the been available to the State due to non- Government of Union have been in passing of the Consignment Tax. Why are power in several States. The State you delaying this? Is it a relation? You dis- Governments of diversehues have miss a State but you don't like to give money different views on regional and inter- to the States. State problems. In such a situation, the setting up of an Inter State Council with What about Agricultural Income-tax? a comprehensive character under Ar- All the States should similar taxation policy. ticle 263 has become an imperative The Agricu~ural Income-tax should be im- necessity ." plemented in all the States.

Regarding the role of the Governor, This is a positive recommendation that has Article 356 is there for misuse. From this side been made by the Sarkaria Commission. so many Members said that it should be And I think, if the Central Government at deleted. On the other side, Or. Dhillon, the least takes up this issue properly, so many other day, said that there will be a vacuum in difficulties and so much deterioration in the that case. May I know how Article 356 has relations may be resolved. been utilised?1t is in the Sarkaria Commis- 549 M::Jtion RlI. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on C9ntnrstate 550 Rsport of Commission Relations sian report itself that from 1950 upto 1978, in South Indian language. But what has hap- these 38 years, this article has been applied pened to that? h was only one State, Hary- for 76 times. In that list its use in Tamilnadu, ana, which started to have Telugu as the Nagalane and Mizoram is not there. Out of third language; but ultimately that too was this, only tn 26 times its use can be somehow dropped k>ng ago. You are doing nothing justified and the rest 50 times it was mis- about it. This is your failure because you used. May I ask the Members of this House would like to develop it in such a manner that through you - Dr. Dhillon is not here, he is some students will learn only two languages a veteran Mambar of this House - whether and others will learn three or four languages. Article 356 is there just to satisfy your lust ? May I ask what is the justification of keeping In the end, again. I would like to say that it here? Is it just for misuse? we must give a tresh look at the Constitu- tional provisions particularly concerning the Regarding the role of the Governor, Centre-State relations. Without changing of many things have been said. I don't like to the Constitution, it is not possible. A strong make any comment. I would like to quote Centre becomes a misnomer with weak only from the Sar1

[Dr. Digvijay Sinh] scribed in the Reorganisation Act of 1956 which talked about strengthening the zonal 17.11 hrs. areas and the five zones of India and how a particular zone could be a little stronger than [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chai~ what they are today. This will to a large extent obviate the fissipar ious tendencies in Therefore, I think it is very important that the country of various boundary disputes we choose as Governors, persons of repute between one State and the other and would and who have a deep incisive knowledge make a zone which is by and large a geo- and pulse of the people. graphical enthy a stronger unit. From what I know except the North-East zone no prog- A very sad thing that we are experienc- ress has been made in the other zones of the ing these days. Sir, is that Governors of country in this respect. State Assemblies are not able to present their speeches to the Assemblies. Never in Sir, the Union List has 97 entries. The the forty years' history of this country, have State List has 66 entries. The Concurrent we had this kind of precedents, where time List has 47 entries. In this connection I would and again, Governors who stood up to make like to say something also. Time has, per- their budget speech could not speak, haps, come when we will have to look at the whether it is Congress-run Governments or whole problem more and more from interna- non-Congress-run Governments. I think it is tional level. The world is shrinking. The very disparaging and something has to be means of communication are improving done, where we can overcome this. What I would like to stress is about the concept of the environment. Environment Another aspect is this. I would like to has no boundaries. It can never have any bring this aspect, particularly because the boundaries. Environmental problems are han. Prime Minister has in recent meetings, not only cross-country but they are global seminars, expressed keen desire to dis- and international. When the globe is shrink- seminate decision-making at the District ing and we are getting more and more con- level. When we want to strengthen the Dis- cerned about the environment in other parts trict administration, how do we look at it from of the globe you cannot look at an issue the point of view of Centre-State relation- purely from a regional, zonal or national ship? How do you strengthen an administra- point of view. Do you know in the inte~na· tion in a District without looking at the whole tional arena a proposal has been made for structure from a different angle? I may be having a separate security council for the wrong, when I say thattheterms of reference environment and development on the same of the Sarkaria Commission are now outlines as it is for war and peace in the United dated with the present trend of talk of dis- Nations? This is the level at which we are seminating information right down at the thinking globally. So much has to be thought grass-root level. of when we talk of our own zonal problems to bring in the inputs of global aspects as wei( I was studying the Chapter on All India Services in the Report. I gather, and we Now I would like to talk about the two read, that there are reports, there are de- commissions- Finance Commission and mands from various parts of the country, the Planning and the Planning CommiSSion zones of the country. The North-Eastern - vis-a-vis the relationship between the Zone wants its own Services, quite apart Union and the States. I know as far as my from the All India Services. This is something State is concerned the Finance Commission which needs a lot of thought, why they want has made two specific recommendations to have a separate Service called "North- which are not carried out by the State Gov- Eastern Services?". I think that the time is ernment. What happens when they are ~O! ripe for us to think about what 'was pre- carried out? One was a specific suggestion 553 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 554 Repoi1 of Commission Relations

made by the Finance Commission that the the Planning Commission vi~-a-vis tne mid-day meal which oosts Rs. 250 crores to State Governments. the State should be revived. The second recommendation is that the Finance The last point which I want to make is Commission has said that when the State is about the proposal of having an all-India in such financial constraints is it not proper to judicial service. I think that it is well men- think about the prohibition policy of the State tioned. I am of the view that it will, to some which may yield revenue to the State to the extent, overcome this problem of masses . extent of Rs. 200 crores which today is all and masses of court cases lying in the hands earned by bootleggers and the State does of the District Courts, High Courts and Su- not get anything. No need has been paid in preme Court as well. If we have a regular all- this field. So here are the specific issues India judicial service, there is a possibility which have been specified or which have that we will be able to recruit judges who will been put across by the Finance Commis- work faster and better and more appropriate sion. But what happens when the State whereby to some extent we can obviate this Government does not follow them? These problem of backlog in the judicial system. are the things which need to be specified And we know that justice delayed is justice better. denied.

Talking about the Planning Commis- With these words, I once again com- sion or the concept of the Planning Commis- mend the Sarkaria Commission Report and sion, they always say that they have so much I hope it becomes a comprehensive issue in the kitty - and they are not involved in put before the people of India including the earning more for the kitty - and they can opinion of the State Assemblies. distribute what is there in the kitty to the areas of priority. I would like to know what SHAI AAM SINGH YADAV (Alwar): Sir, happens when there is a very marked differ- I am very much thankful for giving me time to ence of opinion regarding the areas or prior- speak. The Sarkaria Commission Report ity. I come from a semi-urban city of western has been commented upon by various Gujarat, Saurashtra of Kutch which is a speakers in the House. But look at the terms marginal area, which has famine conditions of reference! The Commission itself has for every three or four years, where ~he failed to take notice of some of the important paramount need is drinking water. Let alone constitutional aspects which were obligatory water for irrigation. I am talking about water on the Centre as well as on the States. I for drinking purposes. Certain cities in quote the terms of reference of the Commis- Sourashtra are on the verge of being sion. 'The Commission will examine and evicted, as there is no drinking water. If a review the working of the existing arrange- proposal is being made whieh may cost As. ments between the Union and the States in 500 cores that is a proposal which is eco- regard to powers, functions and responsibili- nomically feasible, proposal whereby water ties in all spheres and recommend such can be brought from Narmada - and the changes or other measures as may be investment made for bringing water the appropriate.' Now, what are 'all spheres'? urban requirements of the city can be met by 'All spheres' does not mean only sharing the constructing a road which goes across for legislative powers, sharing the executive the GulfofCambay, andthetolltax realised, powers and financial powers. This is not the and the money from that investment can be only sphere of the Constitution, the sphere of realised within 12 year, if such a proposal the Constitution is much Wider and one has which is lying with the Planning Commission to take notice of the Directive Principles does not get any priority. then where does which have been indicated in the your priority lie? I think ~ is high time that the Constitution. these Principles are for setting priorities are defined in these two Commis- up a welfare State. Article 38 of the sions, namely, the Finance Commission and Constitution says: Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-state 556 Report of Commission Relations

ISh. Ram Singh YAdav) they labour and to make recommendations as to the steps that should be "The State shall strive to promote the taken by the Union or any State .to welfare of the people by securing and remove suchdifficulties and to improve protecting as effectively as it may a their conditions and as to the grants that social order in which justice, social, should be made for the purpose by the economic and political, shall inform all Unions or any State ..... ~ the institutions of national life." And the Report shall be in detail. This Article lays down tnat...justice, social, economic and political, shall inform all the Then: institutions of national life. What are all these institutions? The State Legislature is an "A Commission ·so appointed shall institution, the Parliament is an institution, investigate the matters referred to , I, gram panchayat is also an institution. There- them and present to the President a fore, there is a constitutional obligation on all report setting out the facts as founds these institutions that they shall strive and by them and making such recommen- make efforts and take appropriate steps for dations as they think proper." the setting up of the welfare State. The Mandal Commission was set up Now, the question is what are the vari- and its report is very much there, but the ous measures enunciated in the Central Government has not taken any ac- Constitution for the welfare State. Article 40 tion upon that report. No implementation of the Constitution says: has been done after the report was submitted. Under the Constitution, it is obligatory "The State shall take steps to organise that the President shall cause a copy of the village panchayats and endow them report so presented together with a memo- with such powers and authority as may randum explaining the action taken thereon be necessary to enable them to func- to be laid before each House of Pa+ament, tion as units of self-government." Neither the State GoVel'il.Me~ nor the They have also given certain powers for the Central Government have takG~any action benefit of scheduled castes and scheduled with regard to the powers wl-lIdl have been tribes and these functions have been given l:Jivento the State and tll~}Union Article 340, to the State Government as well as the 'he Constitution. Central Government. For that, there is a specific Article which deals with the proper Sir, the Sarkaria Commission has not sections, and which says that the Union ie.itioned as to how the poverty alleviation Government would appoint the Comn ... ;Jfogramme has been implemented by the sion known as the Commission for the State Governrnents. Surely, there are some Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. 0; the State Governrnents which are not Also there is a provision under Article 340 ot implernenting It properly, specially those the' Constitution, for appointment of a States which are being ruled by the non- Commission for the betterment of the other Congress Governments. Therefore, these' backward classes. Article 340 reads: prograrnmes have tailed totally and -the rnoney has been diverted to other projects, "The President may by order appoint a oni':.'r works in the States, The Sarkaria Commission consisting of such per- Commission has not given any clear direc- sons as he thinks fit to investigate Hw tions or any clear recornrnen-tations that the conditions of socially and educatlonally\ funds which have been given Ior the poverty backward classes within the territory of allevianon prograr:·rne,; should not be d" India and the ditficulties under which verted and ;tt/'lose {1Ar.f.lS tI~lV8 b,wn di vertod 557 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-stats 558 Report of Commission Relations what action should be taken against those pointed as a Governor. Does he mean that a State Governments. It has not made any politician is not a patriotic man or not well racommendation with regard to this which qualified to work for the highest post? When was very necessary because the ultimate a Chief Minister can be a political, person, object under the Constitution is to set up a why cannot a Governor be a political person· welfare State. Even the Preamble of the ality? Therefore, this recommendation of the Constitution says that we are striving for the Sarkaria Commission is against the spirit at setting up of a Welfare State. In order to the democracy and against the spirit of the achieve the goal of a welfare State there founding fathers of our Constitution. There must be some harmony in the functioning of are so many such instances. For example, the State Governments as well as the Cen- Smt. Sarojini Naidu and Shri K.M. Munshi tral Government. No Member from the who worked for the freedom of the country Opposition side has talked about the wett are and who actively participated in the freedom of the Scheduled Caste and Scheduled struggle became the Governors. Therefore, Tribe people. They have not talked about the now to say that a Governor must not be an implementation of the poverty alleviation active politician or he must not be associated programme. Neither the Opposition Mem- with the local politics is not a correct thing. bers nor the Leaders of the respective Does he want that all the bureaucrats should Opposition parties have talked about the come as a Governor? A retired lAS officer or Mandai Commission Report, as to how the forthat matter any other retired officer can be lot and condition of the other backward a Governor but a politician cannot become classes can be improved. Why has the Sar- Governor. These are the things which are karia Commission failed to take a note of all against the democratic set up of the country, these things? and I oppose it vehemently.

The Opposition is actually interested in Mr. Sarkaria has said that the Governor the executive powers. They say that the should use the powers given under Article executive powers should be given to the 356 of the Constitution very sparingly. But States but actually they are not bothered, not may I tell him that if we take the office of a worried, about the objectives which have Governor, there are some contingencies, been enshrined in the Constitution. You are and there are certain exigencies and the neither working on these lines and nor you Governor has to use the powers given under are thinking on these lines. Article 356. He says that when a governor is going to make a proclamation with regard to So far as the appointment of the Gover- dissolving a certain Assembly, then that nors is concerned, under Article 174 of the proclamation should contain all the evidence Constitution, there are qualifications for the and all the facts and figures to justify his appointment of the Governors. It is quite case. Well. I would say it is not necessary; it humiliating that a judge of the Supreme is rather extravagant to lay down these Court in the Sarkaria Commission Report conditions in the proclamation. Mr. Sarkaria has said that these are the qualifications to is of the opinion that before the Proclamation be a Governor. As a matter of fact under the is implemented, it should be put to the Par- Constitution of India for a legislator, or for a liament and the Assembly and the Govern- Member of Parliament or even for the office ment should be dissolved only after the of President of India there is no qualification Proclamation is approved by the Parliament. except that he must be a citizen of India and It is very unnatural and impratical. When he must have attained a particular age. But there is an urgent need, when the State here in his Report Mr. Sarkaria has men- Government cannot be run by a particular tioned that to be a Governor a person must party or by a particular Chief Minister, when possess certain qualification. It is rather there are allegations of corruption and mal- insulting. He has mentioned that a person administration, what is obligatory upon the who is in active politics should not be ap· Governor under the Constitution in such 559 Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-state 560 Report of Commission Relations

[Sh. Ram Singh YAdav] "We think that residuary powers should remain with the Centre. In view circumstances? Should he allow the mal- however of the exhaustive nature of practice and maladministration and corrup- the three Lists drawn up by us, the tion to go on? Should he not take corrective residuary subjects could only relate to action? That is why I say that these recom- matters which, while they may claim mendations of the Sarkaria Commission are recognition in the future, are not at impractical. present identifiable and cannot therefore be included now in the Lists .. Now I come to Residuary Powers. In the Constituent Assembly even Pandit Therefore Pandit Nehru said that all Jawaharlal Nehru favoured that the ResId- those items or subjects which could be per- uary Powers in the Constitution of India ceived under the three Lists were enlisted should be given to the Union only and they accordingly in List I that is the Union List, List should not be shared by the States as is the II, State list and List III, Concurrent List. practice in the United States of America and Pandit Nehru also said that in the case of all Australia. We have preferred the pattern of those subjects which could not be perceived Canada, keeping in mind our political his- under these Lists for the present. over which tory, our freedom struggle movement, our if legislation has to be enacted, that power cuhure and the formation of our country as has to be given to the Parliament only. such. All these aspects require that the Centre must be strong and the Residuary Now I come to matters of finance. It was Powers should be given to the Centre alone. the view of the founding fathers of our Constitution that the Centre must be strong As per the scheme worked out in our so far as finances are concerned. It has been Constitution. supremacy with regard to leg- enjoined on the Union under Article 355 to islative, executive, financial matters as well protect national security, interests of the as residuary matters is given only to the citizens, law and order and even the security Centre. This was the scheme which was of the citizens of this country. If the Union or kept in view by the founding fathers of our the Central Government is not financially Constitution at the time of its framing. I may viable, how could these obligations be dis- / . . quote Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru when he was charged? Therefore. you have to maIntain replying to the debate on Residuary Powers the army, you have to maintain diplomatic to be given to be Union. It has been men- relations with other countries ... tioned in the report of the Sarkaria Commis- sion itself. I quote what the report says: SHRI C. JANGA REDDY (Hanam Kanda): Nobody is asking for an army. We "In firm pursuit of this objective. they always say that the Army must remain w~h gave larger and dominant powers of the Centre only. legislation to the Union Legislature. The conferment of these residuary SHRI RAM SINGH YADAV: I am not powers particularly in matters of taxa- talking about a 'Koop Manduk' which lives in tion on Parliament is a part of the a particular area in its narrow world. Here I constitutional scheme designed by am talking about a national mind, about them to secure a 'strong Centre.' After those people who have a national vision. emphasising the need for a strong Only they can think of vital matters such as Central authority capable of ensuring the army, diplomatic relations and so on. peace and coordination of vital matters Therefore, for all this. we have to look to the of common concern, Jawaharlal scheme envisaged in the Constitution by the Nehru, Chairman of the Union Powers framers of our Constitution, the founding Committee reported to the Constituent fathers, those wise persons who were en- Assembly as under: trusted the work of designing our 561 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-stat& 562 Report of Commission Relations

Constitution. In the beginning of the Mrs. Indira Gandhi, the late and the beloved Constitution, it is mentioned that "We, THE Prime Minister that for the first time, the PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly re- Administrative Reforms Committee was set sotved to constitute India into a (SOVER- up in the year 1966 which worked upto 1970. EIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMO- After that, it was the Prime Minister, Mrs. CRAT'C REPUBLIC). This Constitution is Gandhi, who declared on the 24th March, not only for the States but it is for the whole 1983 that the Commission shall be ap- of the people of India. Even the first wording pointed and that Commission shan study the in the Preamble of the Constitution says that relations between the Centre and the States "WE. THE PEOPLE OF INDIA." It denotes and that Report shall come to the Parlia- and connotes the very spirit of the ment. Therefore, this House expresses hs Constitution. gratitude to our beloved Prime Minister Mrs. Gandhi who had given a chance to, Mr. In the very beginning of the Constitution Sarkaria to study these relations and give a rt is mentioned, "We, the people of India, chance to the han. Members of Parliament having solemnly resolved to constitute India for discussing these very complicated prob- into a (Sovereign Socialist Secular Demo- lems here. cratic Republic) and to secure to all its citizens: Justice, social, economic and politi- With these fe~ words, I do not agree cal." So, this Constitution is for the whole of with the Report of Mr. Sarkaria on various the people 01 India. It has been enacted by points. the whole of the people of India and the whole society is one. Therefore, whatever SHRI N. SUNOARARAJ (Pudukkottai): power has been given to the Centre has As far as the Centre-State Relations are been given purposely and it was within the concerned, the Commission under the vision of the framers of the Constitution. Chairmanship of Justice Sarkaria was appointed. It has given its report on 30th Janu- Now, I come to Article 249 of the ary, 1988. In this context, most of the Mem- Constitution for which it has been argued by bers from the Opposition opted for certain the Opposition Members that this provision kind of discussion. Their main demands of Article 249 should be scrapped. Even Mr. were the deletion of Article 356, abolition of Sarkaria has agreed that Article 249 is very the post of Governor, more money from the much relevant because when there are two Centre and more executive power for the Houses - one is Lok Sabha and the other is State Governments. These were the de- Rajya Sabha - the Lok Sabha has all the mands of the Opposition Parties. Our coun- power to initiate any legislation, the Rajya try is based on the principle of unity in diver- Sabha also be given some powers so that it sity. We have got a number of religions, can also initiate legislation for which there is thousands of languages and dialects and no power. Even those matters which have thousands of castes and creeds. But all in all, been left over, those matters can be initiated we are one. We as Indians are one. That in the Rajya Sabha. After passing from the shouldoobe accepted by all the political par- Raiya Sabha. it comes to the Lok Sabha. ties. Unfortunately, the political parties are Whenever these powers had been used, the not prepared to accept that formula or prin- Sarkaria Commission had taken note of it ciple. They are more region-addicted than that those powers had been used very pur- being nationals. That is the pity of some posely and specifically in the national inter- Opposition parties. est. Therefore, whatever the founding fathers have laid down for the benefit of the I would like to ask those people who national integrity, national security, are the were arguing for more powers, one ques- sound propositions. tion. We Members of Parliament are elected to form a Government at the Centre. We are Sir, lastly, I may say, the credit goes to elected by the same persons who elect the 563 MotionRe. APRil 4, 1989 on Centre-state 564 Report of Commission Relations

(Shri N. Sundararaj1 nor is nothing before the Chief Minister.

State Governments. They are the same SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: The Gover- persons who elect the village panchayats for nor is nothing before the Chief Ministerf That the panchayat Unions. I do not find any is the attitude they are having. That is why distinction between the voters here and the you are creating trouble for the Governor in ..aters there, because the same electorate Andhra Pradesh. eJects a Members of Parliament and in turn elects the Government here and the State As far as the State Governments are Government and the Village level pan- concerned, I am sorry to state that even the chayats. But here there is a kind of discrimi- Governor is being spied by the State Gov- nation cast by the Opposition parties that the ernment, as to who goes to the Governor, Centre is having a step motherly att~ude who talks to the Governor, what are the towards the State Governments, as if all the deliberations and discussions that take programmes implemented by the Central place in the Raj Shavano They are being Government are done so by the Central watched by the State Government. Unfortu- Government itself. But unfortunately, it is nately, in Tamil Nadu it so happened re- done by the State Governments. All the cently, a few days back. A visitor to the programmes whether they may be rural Governor was interrogated by the Special programmes, health programmes, road CID and he was taken to task by the Gover- programmes, or any programmes which nor. The matter was reported to the Home help the poor, which help the State are being Secretary who in turn suspended the officer. financed by the Central Government. But It is not a very good precedent. Spying on the unfortunately the Opposition parties which Governor the head of that State, by the local are in power in the States think that the State Government.. ... (Interruption) Central Government is having a step motherly attitude and that they are deprived of this SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: They act as and that, and so they are not able to execute agents. some programmes. This is the type of approach they are having towards the Centre. SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: That is their approach, Sir. As far as the role of the Governors IS concerned, Mr. Sarkaria has made certain SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: Mr. Deputy- recommendations as to who should be Speaker, at the same time the Raj Bhavans appointed as Governors. But in my view, I also should not become the Congress would suggest that a Governor who is ap- Committee officers. pointed in a State as a Governor should not get any, ... SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: It is not correct. The Raj Bhavans have never become SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Pension. the Congress Party offices. What business does a police officer of the State Govern- SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: ... not pension. ment have to interrogate a person who is they should not get any prize or any articles going to meet the Governor of a State? Is it from the State Governments, because it is a the State Government's business? kind of a bribe. By giving some presents to the Governor those State Governments SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: The Gover- indulge in certain kind of activities which are nors are behaving just like·· not liked by the Governor. ThiS has happened in certain States. I will cite some SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: Sir, that is a example. bad word.

SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: The Gover- MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: That wi1l not "Expunged as ordered by the Chair. Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1 911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 566 Report 01 Commission Relations go on record. Mr. Janga Reddy is always like to have any arrangement with any company that, creating trouble. and he should not own any shop. If the Chief Minister is going to act in cinema for hours KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE together, how can he took after the affairs of (Jadavpur): Sir,. that may be expunged. the State? ... (/nterruptions) He can quit politics and act in cinema There is no MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have al- problem ... (Interruptions) ready said that it will not go on record. As far as Article 356 is concerned, most SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: The other of the people are allergic towards that Ar- State Governments where the opposition ticle. I should say that this Article was utilised parties are in power want more powers to the by the same people for dissolving nine States. I agree that we should give them Congress-I State Governments. When they more powers. At the same time, what about had the courage to do it in 1977, they should the Chief Ministers? Who do they do want have the courage to face it even now. They them for? To dismiss 31 Ministers at a stroke want the Article to be deleted because they of a pen, and come to Delhi, stay for four are not in power now ... (lnterruptions) We days, then go to Gauhati, and stay there for h ave never misutilised the two days? Who has to run the Government power ... (Interruptions) - Chief Secretary, official or bureaucrat. Is this the way - an elected Government dis- The Centre should have more powers missing 31 Ministers at a to see that border issues in States are stroke? ... (Interruptions) What is the reason? settled, water disputes between the States They said that because of the leakage of the are settled. For so many years, the border Budget proposals, they were dismissed. dispute between Karnataka and Maharash- Should the Chief Minister not take the re- tra is going on and still no solution has been sponsibility for that? He should resign if he is found. The Cauvery water dispute between a proper man ... (Interruptions) Tamil Nadu and Karnataka is still going on, people are starving without water, lands SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: Sir, our han. have gone dry without water from 1977. Till Prime Minister is going to celebrate Silver date, no solutions has been Jubilee in reshuffling the found ... (/nterruptions) Why can't you talk cabinet... ( Interruptions) across the table and decide things? Nowthat there is Janata Government in Karnataka SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: Re-shuffling and DMK Government in Tamil Nadu, why IS different from dismissing ... (/nterruptions) do you not settle the dispute? The Chief Minister wants to act in cinema "Maharishi" ... (Interruptions) The Chief Min- Sir, our Prime Minister has recently said ister is going to act in cinema in the role of that out of ten rupees allotted to the State "Vishwamitra". Is it the code of conduct of a Governments for the upliftment of the poor, Chief Minister? ... ( Interruptions) only one rupee reaches the person for whom it is meant. That is a very correct statement. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: You frame All the programmes of the Government of the code of conduct for a Chief Minister. We India like NREP, RLEGP, are implemented will agree with it ... {/nterruptions) by State Governments. Unfortunately, the money for these programmes goes through SHRI A.J.V.B. MAHESWARA RAO so many sources, from the Centre to the (Amalapuram): Sir, personal allegations State capitals, from State capital to the dis- should not go on record ... {/nterruptions) trict level, from district level to Taluka level, then panchayat level, village level and finally SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: When a per- to the person concerned, that ultimately the son becomes a Minister, he is not supposed amount reaches the last man is only.one MotIonRe. APRil 4, 1989 on Centre-staIB 588 Report of Commission Relations

[Sh. N. Sundararaj] fore 'the eyes of the Chief Minister, other Ministers and everybody present rupee out of ten. Therefore, I request the there ... (Interruptions) Central Government to look after these programmes directly and monitor them in order SHRI. N. V.N. SOMU: Again he is going to see that the money reaches the proper into it. person in a proper way. I request the Gov- ernment of India to have more powers and MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I wiD see implement the schemes in a proper way. that.

There are so many persons, who want SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: The Minister to become the Prime Ministers of this coun- w~nt on a big table. which divides the try. This is the tendency among the leaders opposition and the ruling party, and hit her in of t he opposition. As one friend put it, they do the neck. She, who is the only leader of the not care for the poor, the backward, the opposition as a lady, said: '" have no security Harijans, the Tribals. In fact, they- are after in the House; I will not attend the power. They want power. As a resuh of that, Assembly ... "( Interruptions) one Chief Minister says that only a kisan will become the Prime Minister of India. Another SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: I am on a point of man, who betrayed the Congress (I), says order. How can he discuss the proceedings that only a raja can become the Prime Min- of the Assembly here? ister of India. Another man says that only a sanyasi after attaining the age of 65 and who MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please mames a girl of 18. can become the Prime come to the point. Minister of India. SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: Our leader, DR. DAnA SAMANT (Bombay South Mr. G.K, Moopanar, was beaten in the Central): Who is that lucky man? House.

SHRI C. JANGA REDDY. He is a wit- 18.00 hrs. ness to that marriage. (Interruptions) The leader has said that he has no SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: Another per- security in tRe_ House. That is the way they son who recently became the Chief Minister are behaving in the Tamil Nadu Assembly. of Tamil Nadu, said in a statement that some Who is responsible for that? .. (Interruptions) leaders of the opposition in New Delhi had opted him to become the Prime Minister, but MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I am not he did not want to become the Prime Minis- allowing you. let him finish. I cannot allow ter, he would be with the people of Tamil two persons to speak at a time like that. .. Nadu. This is the way they are thinking. When a man becomes a Chief Minister, he ( Interruptions)·· only thinks of becoming the Prime Minister. Only power is the ultimate goal to rule India SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: Sir, there as a whole.(lnterruption) should be a code of conduct for the IPS officers. An IPS officer of the rank of As far as Tamil Nadu is concerned, Commissioner of police played the role of an some incident took place on 28 January I errand boy 01 the chief Minister of Tamil 1988. The same kind of incident had hap- Nadu. He raided the house of the Secretary pened on 25 March, 1989. The only leader of of the Opposition leader, took the resigna- the opposition, a lady member, who was tion letter frO(n there, gave it to the Speaker earlier a Member of Rajya Sabha here, she and also to the press people in the is now in the oppos~ion, was molested be- city ... (/nte"uptions). This the the way th!l --NoI recorded. 569 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) on Centf9.state 570 Rsport of Commission Relations are acting in Tamil Nadu. Sir. So, those hardly to have an easy access to the seat of things should be checked. Proper order power in Derhi. Sarkaria Commission has should be maintained there by the Govern- also felt the need of restricting the extent of ment of India. Only by having this article 356, legislative supremacy of the Centre over the the State Governments can be made 10 act subjects contained in the concurrent list in a proper way. So I will request that a strong about which a general impression is gaining Centre is necessary for this country. Some ground that it is becoming an Union list. years back. this DMK said that they want a While commenting on the responsibility of separate Tamil Nadu, a separate Oravid the States, the Commission has pointed out Nadu, though later on it came that even the centrally sponsored scheme back ... (Interruptions) have to be implemented by the State Governments. It has been our experience SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: I am on a point of that often States have to approach the order, Sir. Can he prove it? ... (lnterruptions) Centre for getting clearance of schemes for providing drinking water and setting up in- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Your protest dustries. So much so that the States have no can be taken note of. say even in Agricultural Prime Commission. We daily make demands here and all big SHRI N. SUNDARARAJ: Only a strong leaders including hon. Prime Minister say Centre can stop this kind of things, Sir. So, I that they are to make their farmers strong by request that there should be a powerful giving remunerative prices to their produce, Centre. Thank you, Sir. but in reality the States have no say in Agricultural Price Commission. The Sar- MR. DEPUTYSPEAKER: ShriBalwant karia Commission has also observed fhat Singh Ramoowalia. there has been tremendous growth of bureaucratic machinery. More and more offi- AN HON. MEMBER: It is already six cers are being produced. The States have o'clock, Sir. been gradually losing their say in the matter of appointment of judges of High Courts. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We will Sit up Appointments and transfers of judges of to seven o'clock. High Courts are being done by the Central Government. Not only this, the share of [ Translation] States in the revenue earned by way of custom and excise duty was already very SHRI BALWANT SINGH small and now share of the States in the RAMOOWALIA (Sangrur): Mr. Deputy increased custom and excise duty realised Speaker, Sir, we are discussing the report of by way of levying surcharge is nil as entire Sarkaria Commission on Centre-State rela- amount goes to Central Government. Thus tion in the House and I think that the States are totally deprived of any share in it. Commission has dwelt upon basic issues. It has identified the areas of confrontation and Keeping in view the situation referred to conciliation and also expressed its views on above, we should draw lesson from the systematic encroachment on the rights of effects of centralization of powers during the State by the Centre and centralisation of last 40 years, I would specifically submit to powers in the hands of Centre as also it has Shri Santosh Mohan Dev arid for that matter given suggestions to avert confrontation the Government of India that the emergence between the Centre and States. It has also of regional parties in Tamil Nadu, Andhra underlined the role of the States in their Pradesh, Punjab and Assam can be attrib- development. Sarkari a Commission has uted to the centralisation of powers in the also observed that primary and basic re- Central Government and subsequent ero- sponsibility of welfare and development sion of powers of the states during the last could be of State only as common men forty years. Political parties such as Telugu 571 Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-state 572 Report of Commission Relations

IShri Balwant Singh RamoowaJia] to read out a speech of Shri Badal. Shri Tohra had moved a resolution which was Desham, Akali Dal and A.G.P. are the by- seconded by Shri Badal. product of the same. More the powers of states were eroded, more the feeling of [English] regionalism increased. So we should think it very seriously. You say that the Centre must "Shiromani Akali Dal after very careful be strong but whether citizens were happy consideration adopted the Anandpur during the reign of Aurangzeb when centre Sahib Resolution taking into it the dif- was considered to be the strongest. You ferent opposition, linguistic and CUl- won't be able to make centre as strong as it tural sections. religious minorities and was during the reign of Aurangzeb because also voice of the millions of people to you are .elected iepresentatives. Thus there recast the structure of the country. the was discontentment in India at that time also. real and meaningful federal principles, I would like to submit it with all seriousness to obviate the possibility of any danger at my command that we are discussing a to the national unity and integrity of the very important issue and I am not casting country. And further to enable the asperson on anyone. I am highlighting the States to playa more useful roleforthe demerits of centralisation of powers. An progress and prosperity of the Indian election manifesto was released in 1946 by people (Not Sikhs) in their respective the All India Congresc; Committee during the areas by the meaningful exercise of days of Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru. It was their powers. This resolution envis- stated in the manifesto that the Congress aged that four important subjects Party would bring true federal system in the namely, the defence, foreign affairs, country while in reality unitary system was general communication and currency introduced. When the congress party should remain with the Central Gov- formed interim Governm~nt in 1935, it ernment whiJe other departments passed a resolution which read as under: should be governed only by the State Governments (Not by Punjab only) for [English] which the States should be wholly entitled to frame necessary laws. Ar- "In the Government of India Act, the ticle 356 conferred wide powers on the Provinces were assured fullest autonomy." Centre to Impose President's rule and So, Sir autonomy was ensured under the this power has been grossly abused." Government of India Act of 1935. The Anandpur Sahib Resolution says the [ Trans/ation] same thing as what Sarkaria Commission says, - "grossly abused from time to time." In brief we must consider the matter on these lines. Article 356 should go, the Government should not have the authOrity to dismiss the We passed the Anandpur Resolution. I State Governments on mere excuses. do not want to use any bitter language. But you should consider my submission with [ Translation] cool minded. It was Panditji who had advocated in 1935 and in 1946 what I am telling I mean to say that Anandpur Sahib to day. I would like to read out excerpts from Resolution merely advocates for the unity a book in which statements of Shri Prakash and integrity of India, adopting federal sys- Singh Badal and Shri Gurcharan singh tem for the country and giving more mone- Tohra are contained. On account of your tary powers to the states. This resolution brute majority. weare branded inthe manner was passed in 1978 in Ludhiana in the pres- you like. This is an injustice to us. I would like ence of Shri Chandra Shekhar. Sir. I would 573 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centf8-state 574 Report of Commission Relations not take much time of yours. I only want to should evolve a system at aQtrlll'1istering the put more pressure on the Government. country in which powers of thQ stales are not encroached. A feeling is develOpt?d in the [English] officers belonging to All India Services that their real ;naster is sitting in Delhi. This The Sarkaria Commission's Report attitude on their part required 0 be changed. should be consulted in depth by the State In case the State Government suspend an Chief Ministers. officer belonging to those cadres, Central Government should not be allowed to sit in [ Translation] the judgement. A separate tribunal should be set up for this purpose. The matter of It is concerned with the future of the improving the conditions of states should be people. As you know that the Chief Ministers discussed with the State Chief Minister after have a direct link with common men while the discussion on Sarkaria Commission the Prime Minister cannot be approached concludes. easily and one has to wait for even 15 days to get appointment with him. My submission [English] is this that the Chief Ministers should be consulted in this regard. SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL (Erandol): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, Sarkaria Commission Secondly, the Central Government has done a commendable job under the should give permission to the State Govern- given circumstances and, within the purview ments to issue bonds in order to mobilise of the Constitution, a better report than this resources of their own. Besides, special cannot be imagined. provision should be made to provide assistance to the border State like Punjab, Ka- My friend, Mr. Ramoowalia, has alleged shmir, Rajasthan and Assam. Special atten- that because of more powers being wielded tion should be paid to the sensitive border by the Centre, AGP has been created, Akali areas. Dal has been created and there are other creations. I do not agree with him. Sir, ~ur Similarly, states should be given share democracy has envisaged, as in the democ- in tax amount realised by way of levying racies of other countries, that there will be surcharge on excise and custom duty. The two or three major parties so that if people status of Minority Commission should be are dissatisfied with one Party Government, raised by giving statutory status to it. The they can select some other party to powerfor concerned Chief Minister should be con- some time and watch their performance. But sulted before deploying army in a particular here, in India, apart from Congress Party, no state. Besides, the second channel of televi- other Party could grow. When it started sion should be brought under the control of growing, in the other parties, immediate State Government. Monopoly of a particular disintegration followed, whether it was So- political party or a Minister or a leader should cialist Party, which split into Praja Socialist not be allowed to continue. We are all patri- Party; even Jan Sangh split because its ots and thus states will not misuse television ideology people did not like it. Swatantra facilities. I lay stress on this recommenda- Party did not survive. The Communist Party tions and it should be accepted. In the end I also split. That is why, the Congress Party would suggest that top most preference h?d to be the only choice for the people and should be given to the recommendations of it is the right choice for the people of this the concerned State Government with re- development country. gard to appointment of judges, and in case of transfers of judges, matter should be con- Then, the power hungry people who sulted with both the State Governments i.e. thought of otner means took up regional the states from and to he is transferred. We issues whether it was language issue, bor- 575 Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre--slate 576 Report of Commission Relations

[Sh. VijayN. Patiij about 25% of their Budget from the Centre. Now, there are many States which require der issue or any oths'r issue and they got it 44% of the share of their Budget from the into the State. On getting to powers on Centre. They are demanding more and more regional issues, they thought of more mone- money. They are not ready to curtail their tary powers to be wielded by them, or in expenditure and to adopt fiscal reforms but, order to hide their own failures, they started they will demand more money and more pointing their finger towards the Centre, al- power from the Centre. What about the leging that the Centre has failed and the media? There is demand for second channel Centre is not giving them money, not giving and they say the Sarkaria Commission has them this power, this sanction and so on. remained silent on this. h was appropriate on the part at the Sarkari a Commission not to Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, Mr. Hegde just go into thiS controversy because if they has alleged that the Sarkaria Commission allow second channel to State Government. report has got Centnst approach. His allega- the Central Government gives it some other tion is not true. If even Mr. Hegde had been position. There is a clash. appointed as Chairman of the Commission and he would have studied the situation in DR. DATTA SAMANT: They are anti- India, the requirements of the people, proper nationalists and you are secular. cordial relations between Centre and State and acted with proper wisdom, he would SHAI VIJAY N. PATIL: I am not saying have come out with the same type of recom- that they are anti-nationalists. There is a mendations. But, it is very easy to blame clash of interest. It is not the purpose of the somebody else when it is convenient to Sarkana Commission. Sarkaria Commis- blame. sion was constituted Just to suggest methods and ways and give recommendations We will see lot of criticism of Article 356 for improving the Centre-State relations. and dissolution of the State Governments by This was not the point the would have im- the Congress party at the Centre. But. they proved the Centre - State relations. conveniently forget that this power was most Demanding second channel is a different misutilised by the then Janata Government thing but that Sarkaria Commission has not in 1977-78. It was said that when they came done its job properly in recommending that into power in the Central Government, they channel is not correct. should also be in power in the State Govern- ments. There is no other cause for dissolving We see that over the years, the States these nine State Assemblies at that time. A have started depending more and more on simple language was used. When the shirt is the Centre. The States entirely depend on of some cloth, the dhoti should be of the the Centre for law and order situation. In the same type of cloth and the Assemblies were normal course when it was a road traffic dissolved. control or night duty for policemen. some robberies, they will handle It all nght. But If SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: In 1980 also. there is some small riot, if some incident takes place, immediately they will ask for the SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL: During the past CRPF and Immediately some other help will ten years some 25 instances were quoted be asked tram the Central Government and but, if you see over the 37 years there was many times you have to parade the military not an instance of dissolution of nine Assem- also. Law and order is a State subject but, blies at a time. even then. the Centre has to go to their help many times. The State Government wants more power and more money from the Centre. A mention was made about the lAS and Earlier in the 50s, F1e States used to take IPS O\Hc.ers. I lio agree that some control sri Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Ctinu.slatfl 571 Report of Commission Relations shoUld be given to the State Governments other Members. regarding these officers. What we see today is that many of the lAS and IPS Officers [ Translation] belong to the same State to which they are posted. It was the earlier practice that the SHRI C. JANGA REDDY (Han- lAS _and IPS Officers should go to different amkonda): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the States and not to their home States. Now issue which is of a special interest in this these officers adopt more political ap- discussion regarding Sarkaria Commission proaches. The concern expressed in the Report is that of the appointment of Gover- Sarkaria Commission report so also by the nors. Although powers have been granted to people in this country is serious. We should the Governors yet they do not enjoy real think about the services, their improvement, powers. As we have seen in the case of their efficiency and non-interference in the Governors in the past including that of the political activities. We see today-not the Janata regime, that even physically unfit majority of them-that some of these Offi· people have been- appointed to this office cers do interfere in the political atmosphere merely because of their close association of the local areas and the districts and that with the people in the Government and per· creates problems there. I am concluding by sons with political backgrounds have also just mentioning about one thing. Apart from been given such appointments. For ex- the subjects which are already with the ample, in Andhra Pradesh Shri Abraham Centre like that of Communications, Rail· was made the Governor because he be- ways, Defence and other subjects, even in longed to Congress (0) party of Shri Mora~i respect of energy, the Centre should have Desai. .. (Interruptions) more say. We want all the States should share the energy properly. The grid system I am only stating that political people is there all over the country. If the Centre has were appointed under the Janata Govern- more say in the production and distribution of ment as well. The present Government also energy, that will benefit the country and all wants to do the same thing the Janata the States. In the case of water resources Government did. This is what I want to say. also, even the Opposition-ruled States like Shrimati Kumud Behn Joshi, Member Rajya Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu Sabha, was appointed Governor of Andhra cannot come to terms in the matter of shar- Pradesh and she is at logger heads with Shri ing of waters of Krishna, Godavari and N. T. Rama Rao. Such matters are being Cauvery rivers. Ultimately, the Centre has to reported in the Press. The Government intervene to solve the problem. Whatever should pay attention in this direction. The recommendations that have been made by role of no other Governor has ever been Sarkaria Commission regarding Centre- discussed so much in the Press during the State relations are good recommendations_ last 30 or 40 years. Of course, the formation of Inter-State Coun- cil should be considered by the Central THE MINISTER OF HOME Government. Whatever recommendations AFFAIRS(S. SUTA SINGH): If you were in are proper, they can be adopted as early as the place of Shrimati Kumud Behn Joshi, you possible. would have also been at logger·heads with the State Government. With these words, I conclude. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: No, no this is MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now Shri not the point. (Interruptions) Janga Reddy to speak. You must be brief. Already you have expressed your ideas. [English] You have exhausted your ideas. You haveto be brief. Otherwise, I will have to go on MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Why are interfering as you have done in the case of bringing in that? Somebody is telling that you 579 Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 on Centre-state 580 Report of Commission Relations

are opposing that. How can you speak about appointment of the Governors. The Gover. the conduct of a particular person? Don't nors are appointed on political grounds and always do that. When somebody speaks, in this case, the Governor had appointed a you go in interrupting. person of his own choice as the Speaker in order to make his decision of toppling the ( Interruptions) Government succeed. The Hen. Prime Min· ister was the General Secretary of the Con- [ Translation] gress party at that time and he said that thiS is only the beginning in Andhra Pradesh and SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: J have al- the final picture would emerge later. The final ready stated what is being said about Shri- result was that Shri N.T. Ramarao was back mati Kumud Behn Joshi nowadays. (Inter- in power again. ruptions) It is true that they are looking towards the people. My point is that political My pornt is that if the Governor does nol persons should not be appointed as Gover- have affiliation With any political party, he nors. The Janata Party under Shri MorarJI can at least think as to what is right and what Desai also did the samething. That IS why we is wrong. This tendency of assaulting the want the constitution to be amended. The Governors by the people belonging to Con- SarKari a Commission has recommended gress party or other parties is not right. 'lin that retired judges, retired officers who have Tamil Nadu Assembly, Shrimati Jayalahtha thorough knowledge of the constitution is insulted or for that matter any Chief MiniS- should be appointed to this office. ter is insulted, It IS a very bad precedent. A very poor opinion IS being formed about the Sometllnes we feel unhappy when the Members of the Parliament and of the State issue of Governors is raised for diSCUSSion. Legislatures. That is why, good people are These who had been the Governors of the averse to politics. It should be ensured that ruling party in the past, have defected to the untruly elements do not enter the Vidhan opposition. Shri Ram lal...(/nterruptions) It Sabha or the Lok Sabha. Therefore, efforts is a matter of shame and this is what I want should be made to keep the Governor away to say. He may have joined theJanata Oal or from politics. At least, the recommendations National Front. he has definitely left the of the Sarkaria CommIssion should be ac Congress. My point is that he had dismissed cepted. This IS what I am to say. the Chief Minister, Shri N. T. Rama Rao who waasubsequently reinstated by Dr. Shankar I was referring to the Janata Govern- Dayaf Sharma. Shri Ram lal had toppled the ment, Shn Morarji Desai had also done the Government without allowing the Govern- same sort of thing and the 'Congress Gov· ment to prove its majority on the floor of the ernment is also repeating the same. A per- House. The Government of Shri N.T. Ram- son from Kerala was once appointed as the arao was dismissed by mere signatures. Governor of Andhra Pradesh. I was the Thereafter, the Speaker was appointed. Member of the State Assembly at that time. Even in this case, norms were not followed. That Governor was appointed in unusual H. _med to have been gripped with fear. haste. We therefore want that such persons The person who was installed in that position should not be appointed to this offices. The W8I a stooge of the centre. Such was the present Government also appointed a quol!ty of the person appointed to that posi- Member of the Rajya Sabha as Governor in tion. You are well awar.e of it. When the Similar haste Government had to test its strength on the "flogrofthe State legislature, it could not do ( Interruptions) 10. I was saying that we had committed a What are the reasons behind it? The mistake. I accept it. We committed this miS- reason can simply be found in the manner of take because constitution permitted th~s 581 Motion FIB. CHArTRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Cantf9-state 582 Repott of Commission R9lations type of adion. That is why I am saying that try such as the Gorkhaland agitation in West constitution should be amended. We are Bengal, the T elangana agitation, the Bodo indulging in such arbitary actions because movement in Assam etc, are all the result of the constitution permits it. That is why we are insufficient Central assistance. H sufficient not conduding ourselves in a proper man- assistance is provided such problems can- ner. not occur in the backward States. Assam has been divided into seven parts. This kind Therefore, the Government should of regionafimbalance shQuld be removed. make efforts to accept and implement the Financial aspects should be prepared for the recommendations of the Sarkaria Commis- States. sion. S. SUTA SINGH: Now B.J.P. is also demanding 'Uttaranchal'. We have committed a second mistake in the matter of granting autonomy to the States. This issue is being debated for the SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Yes, the is- last 40 years. This question is being asked sue of 'Purvanchal" is also in the air. Do you by everyone. (lnteffuptions) Shri Ramoow- think there will be your monopoly in these alia has referred to this issue just now. It has matters also? Other people will also indulge been stated that time is not yet ripe to grant in such demands. People are misled into autonomy to the States. Therefore, the creating such situations as Bhindranwale Centre has to be strong. However. it should was created in Punjab, Subhas Gheising not be essential for the States to approach was created in West Bengal and Laldenga the Centre for every small matter. A well- was installed in Mizoram inspite of Congress wisher of Bihar had lamented while making majority in that state. This type of policy will his submission sometime back that despite not do and it will be against the interest of the Bihar being affected by floods, the State country. Therefore, I would request that Government is reluctant to take Central steps should be taken to strengthen the assistance because the centre wants to give border states and we will co-operate with the assistance in the shape of loans for such Government in this regard. The issue re- purposes. In this tussle between the Centre garding creation of a security zone was once and the State, it is the people who are the raised in the House and many hon. Members sufferers. There should be no dearth of opposed this proposal but my party sup- funds with the States and in order to ensure ported it. Similarly, I want that Article 370 it.; The system should be changed. The should be abrogated. Just now Shri Soz has menu of the people of Andhra consists usu- pointed out those elements who are behind ally of pickles some green vegetables along the riots in Jammu and Kashmir. The Gov- with rice and finally the curd. As a result, the ernment has full knowledge of the elements curd is in excess quantity. Similarly, excise which are behind the riots in West Bengal but duty is less and surcharge is more. Sur- unfortunately it does not take any action charge is levied in case of petrol and it is against them. (Interruptions) Even if one exorbitant because ~ is levied by the Centre commission can claim that B.J.P. or R.S.S. and no percentage is to be paid to the States has a hand in any of the riots I am prepared from it whereas a specified percentage of to accept the challenge. excise duty is to be paid to the State. Thus it does notty seem proper that the excise duty is of Rs. 10 and surcharge is of Rs. 15. I am Finally,lwillconciudebysubmittingone of the view that the State, should not suffer more point. Our theory is absolutely wrong. for want of resources, I don't know whether Our theory should be of one nation, one the Sarkaria Commission made any recom- constitution, one language, and of one na- mendation or not in this regard. The separa- tionalism. But instead of doing so we talk of tist movements in different parts of the coun- 14 languages and 14 nationalities. S83 MotionRs. APRil 4, 1989 on Centf'fl-stats 584 Repott of Commission Rslations

SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): Shri should suggest some structural chang•• V.P. Singh is still speaking on the same Even today this matter was taken up for lines. discussion in the House. Our han. colleagues from the .sition pleaded for SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Anyone may some fundamental changes. I feel that any say so but I shall not support it. change of this nature may endanger the unity and integrity of the country. Let all the S. aUTA SINGH: I had stated in the' hon. Members realise it and let them ensure beginning that we have one nation and one that their suggestions do not pose any threat constitution. All those people who support it to the unity and integrity of the nation. Both are with you today. the Centre and States have the same objectives. The States need a strong Centre and SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: They are the State Governments implement the poli- sitting by my side. But I want to submit that cies of the Centre. The Centre wholly de- that we have left the opposition parties in the pends on the States for implementation interest of the country. Everyone know about purposes. Both should realise the necessity it. We did not support you on the Mizoram of each other and taking this point into con- issue but we have our support on the Punjab sideration, efforts should be made for co- issue. You will witness the consequences of ordination between the two. Very often I your actions there shortly. First, the Govern- observe that efforts are made to pitch the ment appoints Shri Laldenga as the Chief Centre against the States and the States Minister, thereafter he is dismissed and after against the Centre. It is a dangerous phe- some time he is again reinstated. The conse- nomenon. There may be political differences quences of this action will become clear between us and the opposition parties and subsequently. I want also to say that the ourwayofthinking might differ. butsofarthe National Languages Act should be imple- country is concerned. we have equal mented at the earliest. It is only on account commitments. We should ensure that anypf of the language chauvinism that regional our actions aimed at political benefits does parties are being formed .... (/nteffuptions) not create tension between the Centre and the States and affect our constitution and the (English) democratic set up adversely. It will be totally unjustified. Our hon. colleagues from the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please take opposition should offer their comments after your seat now. I have called the next due deliberations on the subject matter. speaker. Nothing will go on record. There are many States in the country ruled by the opposition parties and their chief (Interruptions) * Ministers mostly accuse the Centre just to· hide their own inefficiency and incompe- { Translation] tency. One can understand if they make a genuine demand. But their accusing the SHRI HARISH RAW AT (Almora}: Mr. Centre just to hide their own inefficiency will Deputy speaker. Sir, I would like to express not only affect Centre-State relations but my thanks to the Sarkari a Commission for also create some misunderstanding in the submitting their report in such an uncon- minds of the people of the State. We should genial atmosphere. They realised the not let this happen in our country. It is be- external as well as internal pressures on the cause structure of our country is Federal. We country that is why they only suggested a did not accept confederation. In view of this procedural change instead of suggesting we have to carry out our activities within the any structural change. There had been a purview of our federal structure and Govern- continuous pressure from our hon. col- ments of all the States should act accord- leagues from the opposition and their Gov- ingly. Today there are Congress Govern- ernments in the States that the commission ments in some States a'nd in some States "Not recorded. Motion Re. CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 586 Rspott of Commission Relations the opposition parties have their Govern- The Gadgil Formula. which is presently ments. We have adopted a democratic sys- in operation helps to a few States only. tem. ,o-day we have congress Government Among them States like Maharashtra, at the Centre and in some States and tomor- Tamilnadu and Karnataka are being pr0- row this situation may chanQ~s WeWeve in vided with more resources. But there are 5-tier C',()~ntre. State, Zila States which are rich in natural resources. parl$naos. Panchayat and the Gram but they cannot exploit these resources for Sabhas. Hence the States should realise want of money. Bihar and Uttar Pradesh that demanding more powers only for the come under this category. There are also Slates will not serve any purpose. Gram other states which get very little amount Pandlayats and·Gram'Sabhas have also to under the Gadgil formula. There is great be provided with funds. Just now one of our discontentment among the people of these hon. colleagues was telling that out of As. states against this formula. I therefore. feel 100 released from the Centre only Re. 1/- that the Gadgil Formula should be reviewed reaches him. He knows that the money was and Standing Boards should be constituted sanctioned for his help. h is so because to consider the recommendation of the fi- money is being misutilised. The reason of nancial and planning committees, as sug- misutilisation of funds is that once the money gested by Justice Sarkaria. There is no harm IS released from the Centre the States want in constitution such Standing Boards. Once to spend the money in their own way. This is the Board is constituted, the practice of the reason that the plans are not being blaming the centre or pressurising the centre Implemented properly. Had the money been to sanction more funds will be reduced to a released at the Panchayat level, it could great extent. have been put to proper use. That is why we should give more and more powers to the Our hon. colleagues discussed the rola Panchayats. The States should also give of the Governor and his powers. A lot has more powers to the Panchayats. It will not been said on the subject. While framing the weaken them. The Centre should also Constitution, the Constitution makers made understand that if it gives more financial an indepth study about the candidature of a powers to states and powers to have more Governor Le. what kind of a person should say in planning, it will not become weak. To- become a Governor, what should be his day some new forces have emerged with the qualifications and what should be his powers formation of new regional parties which are and accordingly they made suitable provi- demanding more autonomy and want more sions in the constitution. I feel that these Involvement. If the Central Government will provisiQns have stood test of the time. The not realise it, it will amount to undermining opposition parties which formed their Gov- the states. I would, therefore, urge the hon. ernment at the Centre also used these Minister of Home Affairs to accept the rec- powers and functioned in accordance with ommendations of the Sarkaria Commission these provisions. To-day the question of with regard to planning commission. As relations between the Governor and the regards the financial powers, the Sarkaria states is being discussed. I would like to say Commission has prescribed some limits for that it is very essential to have a Governor to the States. Municipalities and the extent to maintain a balance between the Centre and which they can take loans from the banks the States. Under the prevailing circum- and their right to resort to bank draft. I would stances, role of Governor has become all the hke to urge the Government to implement more necessary. To some extent Justice these suggestions of the commission. If the Sarkaria has acted as a counsellor. He has states are given more financial powers and opined that the person to be appointed as powers to have more say in planning, it will Governor should not be a politician. But I feel definitely help in removing regional imbal- that it is only the politician who can see the ances. realities in entirety on the basis of his expe- 587 MotionRe. APRil 4. 1989 on C8ntre-state 588 Report of Commission Relations

[Sh. Harish Rawat] make appointment of judges. the people wiD lose faith in the judiciary and discontent- nence. He possess a lot of social and politi- ment, will spread among people. As such it cal experience. " to-day we say that the is very essential to fill up the vacant at the Governor should not be a political person, earliest. tomorrow a voice may be ra'ised that a President, a Minister or a Prime Minister I once again welcome the commend- should not be made from among the politi- able step taken by Shrimati Indira Gandhi in cians. How will it be possible? Now-a-days it appointing the Sarkaria Commission to give has become a practice to level charges its recommendations with regard to Centra- aga\nst the politicians. Under such circum- State relations. We pay our tributes to heriOT stances what I feel is that those people who displaying her wisdom in appointing the have suggested that political personalities Sarkaria Commission when the Centre- should not be appointed as Governors ca:1 State relations were very strained. The not keep themselves oft such accusations. same situation continues to be there till to- So, this suggestion should not be accepted day. Even to-day, many elements try to vitiate the Centre-State relations. They try to As regards the recommendations of the instigate one against the other. they are Sarkaria Commission in respect of All India trying to prove that the Centre is putting Services, I am of the view that there is no pressure on the States. Under these circum- need to give more autonomy to All India stances, the Central Government should Services, the I.A.S. The I.P.S. If they de- take a decision in a balanced manner. Wlih velop a notion that the Government cannot these words, I extend my support to various exercise any control over them, it will create good recommendatio,ns made by the Sar- a very odd situation. As the Centre provides kana Commission. huge funds to the States for the implementation of its policies, they should have the [English] liberty of exercising maximum control over the All India Services. If it is not done a DR. DATTA SAMANT (Bombay South situation may arise when there will be rifts Central): Sir, since 1967 when the 0PPOSI' between the State Governments and the All tion parties were elected in the States, thiS India Services. That is why the States should issue of disputes between the Centre and also be allowed to exercise maximum con- States, inter-State disputes is coming up. It trol over the All India Services. So far as the is the human instinct to grab the power and appointment of Judges in High Courts is to maintain the power. Therefore, such concerned, I do not agree with the point that conflicts are increasing in number. So, it IS there is a need or any justification to consult high time to have some specific rules, or the Chief Ministers with regard to the ap- ven have the amendment of the pointment of Judges or there is any justifica- onstitution if it is necessary, so as to fix the tion to what has been stated with regard to wers of both the Centre and State With transfer them. The Central Government egard to their disputes among themselves should act as it deems fit, because this ir, I know that you are not going to give me relates to the highest judiciary. If we involve uch time therefore, I will come straight to more people in it, the standard of judiciary he point. may fall. Of course, I fully agree to the point that all the posts of judges presently lying Article 263 provides forthe appointment vacant in various High Courts should be of the Inter-State Council. Sut I would say, filled up without delay. In ~rtain big States, there is not need for it. A hot discussion is haH of the posts of Judges are lying vacant. going on in the country that when the co~~try The situation in these States is becoming is facing a lot of problems, why this provIsIOn grave day by day. Large number of cases was not used in the last 40 years. We have are lying pending in the courts. If we do not so many such disputes like the Water dis- ~9 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) on C8ntr9-state 590 Rsport of Commission Relations pute between Andhra and Karnataka which I gone but the cult has not gone. I know that is pending for a long time. h is the responsi- their IQ is more than that of you and me and bility 01 the Government to solve this prob- even more than that of some of the Ministers. lem. The two disputed parties cannot solve it Sir, though the Ministers have been on their own. Division of the subjects, like, changed many a time, new Cabinets have food policy, industrial policy, language pol- come, but these IPS and lAS officers are just icy, inter-State water disputes, as given in there and they are dictating the terms. Their the Constitution. is quite good but you have powers must be reduced. You have rightly not used it so far. There is no need for the said that ultimately the public representa- approval of the Sarkaria Commission's tives haveto rule. But we are continuing with 1 Report. I would like to know what steps have the old British system. The State Govern- )you taken to solve the Maharashtra-Karna- ments are posing problems because they : taka border dispute which is pending for the are not accountable to them. The appoint- Jast 30 years. ment of the IPS and lAS officers is done by the Centre. Last year, 700 people were se- 105 people died in Bombay in 1970 and lected in these services out of which 50 per now again in Belgaum 12 people have died. cent was only from U.P., 20 per cent from But you have no apathy and no sympathy for Kerala and onl) 3 per cent from Maharash- them, as nothing has been done so far. The tra. I would like to i<"ow why there is such, Han. Buta Singhji is telling in this House for partiality. Do you think that the people of the last 4 years that this dispute should be other States are not intelligent enough to solved between the two Chief Ministers 01 come In those services. I would say, this is two States. But the two Chief Ministers have again a step towards the grabbing of power, never met, or Shri Buta Singh never called by having all the people of your own. I don't both of them at the same time. It is the think the selection is done properly. I am of responsibility of the Centre to solve this the opinion that we should have an autono- issue. Therefore, I propose that there is no mous independent body like the Union need to have an Inter-State Council to solve Public Service Commission which should this issue. I would say, let us make a body of look after the appointment, transfer, promo- which Shri Buta Singh will be the Chairman, tion, selection and any other such issue the two Chief Ministers Karnataka and connected with the All India Service officers. Maharashtra will be the Members and two Please don'lleave it to the Minister because judges of the Supreme Court may also be all kinds of partiality is being shown in terms included and let them decide certain guide- of selection of candidates. They are all bu- lines to solve this issue. I would say that this reaucrats and they know how to deal with the should be solved within the stipulated period Minister and how to deal with the poor man. of three months. I would like to know why this has not been done. Why are you blaming the Now, I come to the law and order prob- State Government? I think it is only because lem. I will not go into the detail of it but I would you want to grab the power in Karnataka. like to say that unless a State demands for You know that elections are coming and if the security force you should not send the these disputed areas are given to Mahar- Central Security Force to any State. It is high ashtra, then you will not be able to come to time that we should decide some broad power in Karnataka So, I would say that this outlines for using the police force either at is a trick which is being played by the Centre. the Centre or in the States. A number of times the Hone. Minister has said that this should be solved by the two 19.00 hrs. Chief Ministers discussing the issue with each other. Regarding agitations and bandhs which are peaceful, we must have certain broad Now. I come to the All India services. guidelines. Police should not be used tor like. the IPS and lAS. Sir, the Britishers have political purposes. Last month, there was a 591 MotionRs. APRIL 4. 1989 on Centre-stats 592 R9pOIt of Commission Relations

[Dr. Datta Samant) be an autonomous body. Or the second channel must at least be given to the States. morcha in Bombay protesting against the In the Sixties during Indira Gandhi'S time, book The Satanic VSIS8S. I do not agree with one Chada Committee was appointed to into it. Certain people took a morchato the British this aspect. Later on, when Janata Govern- Consulate to give a memorandum. I do not ment was in power, another committee was understand why the police should ban it. appointed. Both those Committees recom- Why should they bring their vans, start lathi mended that it must be made an autono- charge and open fire and kill people? Ulti- mous body. Therefore. I differ with the rec- mately they killed 12 people. Ours is a ommendation of the Sarkaria Commission democratic oountry and this sort oft~ings are with regard to media. not in the interest of the country. This will only add to our problems. We have about 7 crores Sir, they are all saying that the funds of unemployed people in our country and allocated for the NREP are not reaching.the many are dying and there are a lot of prob- beneficiaries and so on. But what have you lems concerning economic social and relig- to say about our public sector management? ious issues. We must strive to solve all these Don't you know how many thousands of problems and so let us have certain broad crores of rupees are misused or eaten by guidelines on these issues. some people with vested interest? let us not go on blaming each other for all such Now I come to the aspect of media. The matters. But let us try to find out solutions. Sarkari a Commission is strongly of the opinion that radio and television should be in the I will come to another point regarding hands of the Central Government only in the the sharing of finances between the Centre name ·of unity and integrity of the country. I and the States. The Finance Commission do not understand why the media cannot be has recommended that the railway passen- in the hands of the State Governments as ger fare tax should be given to the States. well. I differ with this recommendation of the This is not a recommendation of this Sarkaria Commission. I would also like to Commission but still 1feel that this should be stress the point that all these media are implemented. Sarkaria Commission has misused by the Central Government. For recommended that the royalty rates of the example what happened during Tamil Nadu minerals should be given to the States. I am elections? Everyday we used to see helicop- raising a very important point. The D.N.G.C. ters landing there and the Prime Minister falls within the jurisdiction of the State of coming out. Many people including a large Maharashtra. Under the Marine Act, this number of police would welcome him and area is a part of the State of Maharashtra. then he would deliver his speeches. Why The whole nation gets the ONGC gas and were the other parties not given an equal other products. But the demand of the Gov- coverage? Any way, whether it is an election ernment of Maharashtra is neglected. More- day or a normal day, media are misused by over, a pipeline is passing through Mahar- the ruling party at the Centre. Yesterday, I ashtra upto Rai Bareli and a petro-chemicals had seen the Prime Ministerfourtimes in the plant worth Rs. 700 crores is coming up. This news bulletin on the television. I am not has been inaugurated by the Prime Minister. against it. But I completely fail to understand Another project is also inaugurated in this excessive use or misuse of the media. Gujarat. But Maharashtra is not getting a Every alternate day, the broadcasting Minis- single project. We have given the site for a ter Shri H.K.L. Bhagat appears on the TV pipeline passing through Marathwada and with a cap on his head. inaugurating some- Vidarbha. But our proposal was put down for thing or distributing something. , think this is more than ten times. On the contrary. Surat- a misuse of the media. Let us have some Bhusavall-tarsi line is there. To benefit the principles with regard to the use of the media backward areas of Maharashtra and and my suggestion Is that the media should Madhya Pradesh more petro-chemical 593 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-stale 594 Repott of Commission Relations plants and fertiizer plants shoukJ be given. than A Justice Sarkaria. They took into StiR it is neglected. I think the Central Gov- consideration the background of the nation ernment is somewhat jealous of Maharash- and they gave the Constitution. I am hare Va. Bombay was developed by the British- quoting the Union Powers Committee. "Now e'rs. We should appreciate the fad that the that the partition is a settled fact, we •• industries are developed in Bombay. Bu1 it unanimously of the view that it would be does not mean that you should close the injurious to the interest of the country to industries there. Now I come to the aspect of provide for a weak central authority which location of industries. Bombay is paying Rs. would be incapable of ensuring peace, or 3000 aores to the Central Government in coordinating vital matters of common con- the form of income tax and excise duty. What cern and that the soundest framework of our are you doing to Bombay in return? Bombay Constitution is a Federation with a strong is not the city of the rich alone. Our workers, Centre.· They decided that the Centre people who are the sons of the soil. are also shOUld be strong. They never meant that a there. Therefore to take industries away Federation should not be there. They never from Bombay is not a good proposal at all. meant that the States should not be given Out of Rs. 3000 crores that you are getting their due. They 'always believed in liberal from this city, try to spend at least Rs. 200 or policy. Therefore, the States were given a Rs. 300 crores to improve the conditions of due place in the Constitution. The founding the workers and poor people by way of fathers were painfully conscious that the housing facilities. etc. Some five years back, feeling of the nationhood is still in the mak· you have announced a hundred crores of ing. I hold the view that the nationhood is still rupees for Bombay. But not, even Rs. 30 in the making. I also hold the view that crores is given so far. conditions in India have not improved. The national situation is in the same mould. It has Though I disagree with the Sarkaria not improved. They said, it required to be Commission on certain points, I appeal that carefully nurtured and that they should build some of the recommendations must be a constitutional structure with a powerful implemented immediately. It is hightimethat Central Government envisaging the emer- some broad guidelines are devised and gence of an indivisible and integrated India. implemented all over the country. For the indivisibility of India, the Government at the Centre must be strong. On the other MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Already it is day I was hearing It1r. Dinesh Goswami. He 7 0' clock. There are three more Members on has telling that in the period of Ashoka. there the list. If the House agrees. we may extend was a strong India. He was quoting Au- the time by another half an hour. rangzeb. But I quote otherwise. When Samudragupta was there, India at that time SOME HON MEMBERS: Yes, Sir. was strong. But when Kumar Gupta came, India became weak. When Ashoka was MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The time is strong, portion of India was strong. When extended by another half an hour. Ashoka took to Buddhism after the Kalinga War, Maurya got weakened. SHRI MAHABIR PRASAD YADAV (Madhepura): Sir. I will not take much time. Nepolean Bonaparte had said: "When Every nation has history and geography. people say that the King is kind, then the Our founding fathers of the Constitution took Kingdom is gone." I hold the view that if the into consideration the background of the Centre gets weakened. then the unity and situatiOn arising thereon and decided that integrity of India will 1ace dangerous conse- India, that is. Bharat, shall be a Union of quences. States. -- Another point I want to mention is, in Our founding fathers were not less wise India we are now facing many disturbances, 595 Motion Re. APRIL 4, 1989 Report of Commission

[Sh. Mahabir Prasad Yadav} It is a very very strong point that -let us go as we like. -It is not so much a point to be as for example the one for a separate hill appreciated that everybody should have 8 State in Da~eeling in West Bengal. the Bodo licence to go as he likes. agitation in Assam, the Jharkand agitation in Bihar and so on. Should the Centre remain I feel that at present in order to maintain silent? Should it allow these tendencies to the unity and integrity of India, it is very very develop? I feel, and hold the view. that they essential that the Centre keeps its power will go their own way if the Centre does not intact. take notice 01 these tendencies. One more point, I would like to say. The Communist Party is very vocal. They resort to rail roko abhiyan. Have they Dr. Ambedkar has said, "India is not got a national outlook? They stop the trains federal, it is not unitary eithe", meaning and for days together the trains are at a thereby he mixed both the type of Govern- stand-still. ment-fedet'ation and unitary. Most of the times. it is federal in character. but some Therefore, I would suggest that the times it assumes the character of unitary Sarkaria Commission's recommendations Government. Some of our hon. Members should be considered only to the extent that were saying that this Governor is bad or that the Centre does not get weakened. Governor was bad. It may be just possible that a particular Governor may not be to their I may quote Dr. Radhakrishnan here, liking or their character and calibre may not He said: be up to the standard they are thinking to have. There were so many Governors like "Humanity at large is not noble at heart; Sri Sriprakash. Shri Daulath Ram, Shri humanity at large is not gentle at heart." Madhav Anne, who had great personalities and good calibre. Therefore, one example Again, Dr. Radhakrishnan said: should not be taken as final example. Some persons have the attitude of fly. Fly will sit "Social duty is difficult to attain. but that over the puss coming out from some part of is no justification for tyranny or licence. the body. Even though the whole body is A balance of liberty between organised clean, only the dirty portion of the body harmony of individual freedom and the attract the attention of the fly. Therefore. one social obligation is ideal." or two Governors may not be up to their standard they were thinking. But it shoulctQot That means. humanity by and large has got be taken that all Governors are bad. base instincts and not final instind. It is useless to think that all have become good at I have a feeling that India up to now had this stage and they were all bad at that not attained that nHturity in which the Centre stage. 1feel that if at all, the humanity is to be should be allowed to go weak. Another point considered in the pragmatic sense of the I would like to make in IiUpport of my state- term then always the rule of law must be ment. There is Jharkhand agitation in south strong so that their base instinct of humanity Bihar. What should the Centre do? may be kept under control. "So long as we believe that there is no eternal value or a spiritual reality, that the outward man is a Sir, our han. Prime Minister is not hav- selfish individual and passion's salve, the ing that freedom to get his children admitted victim of fear, greed and malice and only by in a school for free education. Is it the state force can he be restrained to accept social of affairs of the nation? Under the situation obligations. I am again quoting Dr. and circumstance, I hold the view that the Radhakrishnan. Centre should remain strong. 597 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) Repott 01 Commission

Before concluding, I would like to make to their population. This inequitable distrbu- one point. The most important thing in the tion of revenue is souring the relationship country at present is that some sort of indi- between Centre and the States. Sarkaria vidual instinct is coming up. My friend was Commission has made certain recommen- telling me that the people of the southern dations to correct this anomaly. The Central States wants to have Hindi education. I had Government must accept those recommen- been to Madras. One of my Bihari friends dations and see that theliscal relationship told me that seventy five per cent of the Tamil between the Centre and the States im- Nadu citizens are knowing Hindi. Though proves. The institution of Governor enjoyed they knew Hindi, they are not taking Hindi as much respect in the past. It has served as a the link language. I am quoting this example vital link between the Centre and the States. in support of my point that the people of the But, unfortunately it has lost its glory and has southern States and the northern States are become too controversial. The institution of not having harmonious relationship to the Governor, instead of serving as a binding extent that they should have. force, is contributing to the sourcing relationship between the Centre and the States. The With these words, I conclude. Central Government is adopting strange methods while appointing Governors to the [ Translation] non-Congress (I) ruled States. The persons, belonging to Congress (I). who were in the • SHRI A.J.V.B. MAHESWARA RAO active politics till the other day. are now (Amalapuram): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I being sent as Governors to the non-Con- fully support the various recommendations gress (I) ruled states. The persons whom the made by Mr. Justice Sarkaria in his Report people bad rejected in the elections are on Centre and State relations. The relation- being considered for the post of Governors. ship between Centre and the States is simi- The institution of Governor has become a Iarto that of mind and body. The mind can be rehabilitation Centre for all the rejected poli- sound only when the body is sound. If all the ticians. No wonder when such persons are limbs functions properly, then only the brain appointed as Governors, act more like the can fundion properly. Hence it is essential agents of the ruling party at the Centre. that the heatth of the entire body is main- rather than the Heads of the concerned tained properly in order to see that the con State. This is the reason why we see so trolling part i.e. head functions normally. many frictions and confrontations between Hence, it is not just enough. if only the centre the Governors and their respective State is strong. The States must also be strong. Governments. Instead of contributing to a The lopsided development wilt neither bene- cordial relationship between the Centre and fit the Centre nor the States. the States, they are creating and widening the gap between them. The condud of the Sir, the financial position of the States is Governors since the past 5 years \" Andhra deteriorating day by day. The dependence Pradesh, Kerala. West Bengal. and of the States on the Centre f~r financial Nagaland has become quite controversial. assistance is a matter of serious concern. There is no cordial relationship between For everything the States have to look to- them and their State Governments. The wards the centre for assistance. The reason State Governments are being confronted is that they are too poor to take up anything with one hurdle or the other created by the on tIleir own. Their resources are very lim- Governors. This kind of confrontation ba- ited. On the other hand, a big chunk of the tween the Governor and the concerned revenue goes to the coffers of the Centre. State Government is neither good to the The amount colleded through various taxes Centre nor to the State. Hence proper at- like excise and customs and administered mosphere has to be created for smooth prices is going only to the Centre. The States functioning of the Governments both at e are not getting their due share in proportion Centre and at the State by picking up a "T~~n of the speech originally delivered in T8Iu9u. 598 Motion RII. APRIL 4, 1989 800 Repot1 of Commission ISh. A.J. V.B. Maheswara Rao] stration is not in the interest of the Centre. Money allocated tor the implementation of proper person in consultation with the State various welfare measures at the district level Government forthe post of the Governor. An should be routed through the State Govern- ideaJ Governor Is an asset for both the ment. There is no justification in bypassing Centre and the State. I hope. the Govern- the State administration in the implementa- ment would be very careful in future in sa- tion of Central schemes. lectirlg Governors to the States. Sir, it is said that the farmer is the Sir, too many subjects are under the backbone of the country. Agricultural price control of the Central Government. The Commission fixes the prices of agricultural purview of the Central Government is widen- produce. The prices fixed by Agricultural Ing day by day. No satisfied with the many Price Commission are' not remunerative to subjects which fall within the scope of Cen- farmers. Agricultural Price Commission tral and Concurrent lists, many more items takes its own time in fixing the prices forfarm are being snatched away from the State list produce much after the saason is over. thus making States weaker and weaker. Meanwhile farmer disposes off his produce Now the position is such that the State at the old price. Thus he gets much less than Governments cannot take up any develop- what he spent in raising the crop. This sort of mental work on their own without getting the arrangement is not helping the farmers. clearance from the Centre. The Centre is Hence, it is in the better interests of farmers, creating hurdles with the help of many stat- if the power is delegated to State Govern- ues under its belt forthe State Governments ments to fix the prices for agricultural pro- in the implementation of various welfare duce. Only the State Government can as- measures. There is too much interference of sess the expenditure involved in raiSing a the Central Government in day to day affaIrs crop proper~ and fix the correct price for the of the State Governments. The Central produce well in time. This helps the farmer a Ministers who visit the States, do not care to great deal. He will get a remunerative price appreciate the effort of that Government. On for his produce. Hence I strongly plead for the contrary, they go on criticising the State giving the power to State Governments for Governments on one pretext or the other. fixing the prices for agricultural commodi- Now it has almost become a habit for union ties. Ministers to criticise the St~te Governments and Its Chief Minister when they tour a State. Sir, State Governments have been Any good work has to be appreciated. Well, pleading with the Centre for allotting the they have the right to critcise State Govern- Second Channel on T.V. them. But the ments for th.ir failures. Well-intentioned Central Government is ignoring this justified criticism is always welcome. But, just for the demand of the States. The State Govern- reason, that lhose States are ruled by non- ment can utilise better the second channel Congress-I parties, the Union Ministers for the betterment of local people. Many should not lash out at them. They should programmes for farmers, workers and stu- help in implementing correctly the various dents in their own language can be telecast policies and programmes that the Govern- through the second channel. This will help in ment undertake. The Central Government speedy and alround development of every should take assistance of State Govern- region in the country. ments in the implementation of policies and programmes. Of late, an effort is being made The opinion of the State Govemments to bypass State Governments by having a is being ignored while appointing judges to direct link with the Distrid Collectors and the High Courts. This is not proper. The Magistrates. The District Administration recommendations of State Governments should be approached through state admini- should be given due importance in the ap- stration only. By passing the State admini- pointment of judges to the High Court. 601 AIofion RB. CHAITRA 14. 1911 (SAKA) Repott 01 Commission Sir education is not being given the Sir, Union Ministers utilise the ...... IrnportalW» that iI deserves. The present of I.A.S. and I.P.S. OffICers when theJ tour education poky is direction lass and confus- States. These Union Ministers encourage ing. The amount allocated for education is these bureaucrats to criticise and revolt very meagre in this budget. Many States against the Governments in the Stat. to/ have expressed their disappointment over which they are alietted. Hthe State GoveriI- this meagre allocation to education policy no ment takes any disciplinary adion against effort was made to allocate more funds to the them, the Central Government reappoints States for its successful implementation. and posts them back at the same places. The resourCes of States are very much rtm- This is how the Union Government is en- itad and hence they can not afford to spend couraging indiscipline among the bureau- more on education. The present expenditure crats. This is highly obiactionabie. The on education has become too burdensome Central Government must help in maintain- for them. The resources crunch may affect ing discipline by asking these top bureau- the whole of our education system very crats to obey the State Government orders badly. He~ I appeal for more allocation of properly. The indiscipline amQng the top funds to the States for education. officers will ,hamper the progress of the States and hence the Central Government must spare no effort in helping the States in Non-Congress-I States are being the maintenance of discipline among the meted out step motherly treatment in setting LA.S. and I.P .S. Officers. up of industries. There is a lot of regional imbalance in the industrialisation. In States Sir, we are Indians and remain so tin our where non-Congress(l) parties are in power, last breath. Our regional identity comel only inspite of having all natural resources and later. The unity in diversity and diversity of infrastructure facilities, no industry is com- unity is the essence of our culture. We must ing up ..The reason is that these Govern- all strive for a strong centre consisting of ments are ruled by opposition parties. No strong States and for a truly federal charac- major industry has oome up in the recent ter of our Constitution. years in Opposition ruled States. As a result the unemployment in these States is on the With these words, I conclude my increase. These State Government are find- speech, I thank you for the opportunity you ing it too difficult to tackle the unemployment have given me to speak. problem. I appeal to the Central Government to give up this policy and do justice to these [English) states by setting up major industries there. SHAI SRIBAllAV PANIGRAHI (Oeog- The Central Government is not clearing arh): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is a very projects recommended by the States ruled important discussion on the subj8~ of by opposition parties. It is creating many Centre-State relationship. The matter was hurdles in providing irrigation facilities to gone into by Justice Sarkaria, together with more and more areas by keeping those some other eminent people with lot of admin- proposals under pending. What is more, the istrative experience. The Commission has Central Government is provoking one State submitted its Report containing as many as against the other and trying to raise disputes 247 recommendations. The Report· has where there were none in order to defay the been sent to the States and to so many clearance of the projects. The disputes, if people who matter, for their views. This is there are any, should be settled amicably also being discussed in the Parliament and and pending projects should be cleared naturally all the views will be taken in10 soon. Hthese projects are completed soon, consideration by the Government of India as we can harness our water resources well. to which of these recommendations will be We can bring more area under cultivation. accepted. 603 MotionRB. APRIL 4, 1989 Rsport of Commission [She Sriballav Panigrahij think the Chief Minister of West Bengal w. present there. The conference of the Pan- Sir, as you are aware. India is not chayati Raj people, the elGcted Chairmen merely a country. It is just not a country but and the elected representatives of the kx:aJ it is much more than that. It is a sub-conti- bodies were in Calcutta and there also the nent. Some people say that it is a mini-world, Chief Minister said that the Panchayati Raj so to say. with a very large of population, should continue under the State Govern- having different types of cultures, diversities ment. Who is taking away the power? An- and the unity of the country has got 0 be other National Front Chairman was stoutly maintained amidst such diversities. That is opposed to this decision. Sir, we have a two- the prime need of the Country and to keep tier system, the State Administration and the the country together, that is the prime need. Union Administration. I may submit that Now, can it be done without a strong Centre? nei1her we are fully federal, nor we are uni- Definitely not I really pay compliments to the tary. We are federal but with a bias, unitary Sarkari a Commission for having come to the bias. We are not unitary completely. not at conclusion that both the strudure and the all. We are not federal also completely. Of spirit, that is the concept of federalism, hav- course, we are a federal State, but with a ing stood the test of time in India and it is bias for unitary. but with a unitary approach working well. Why I pay this compliment is and that is needed for the country like India. because there was a situation created as if For the country like India, it is just needed things are going wrong and much power has and our founding fathers after, careful con- to flow to the State and there should be sideration, had brought out this kind of sys- curtailment of power enjoyed by the Centre. tern. Again there are some bigger States with metro cities who are advocating for Sir, Some Chief Ministers appeared more powers, more financial powers for the before the Commission and they pleaded for State. Kindly consider that they are big the'curtailment of power to the Centre and States with metro cities in their States; they demanded more powers to the States. are advocating for more financial powers for Some pleaded before the Commission that the State so that they can get more money, only four things should be dealt with by the more income. But what will happen to the Centre. They are Defence, Foreign Affairs, poor States, backward States. as for ex- Communications and Currency and the rest ample. the North-Eastern States? What will should go to the States. So, Sir, just look at happen to the Northern State of Kashmir and this idea Who are those people who are backward States like Bihar and Orissa? All against the real power or more powers to be States are not equal in India in size, in given to the Panchayats in their States? As population~ in economy and in different you know, Sir, we are the largest democracy ways. In terms of all these things they d~fer and in the democracy it is the people who and vary substantially. Who will take care of matter and unless we involve them in the all these States? If States become very process of planining, in the process of strong, some States will tremendously gain administration, democracy cannot be effec- financially. But what will happen to the tive and to make democracy more meaning- weaker States, the more backward States? ful and more effective, we should see that Then will India remain as a country as it is the lot of money that we are pouring in our today? So, I am in agreement with the rec- planning process, should produce results. ommendations or observations of the Sar- Naturally we are trying to plug the loopholes karia Commission. and J>opularise planning and ensure people's participation in the administration, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please con- in the plannIng process. So, our Prime Min- clude. ister is now thinJOng of strengthening Pan- 'chayati Rai. Yesterday in a function which SHRI SRIBAUAV PANIGRAHI: Sir, was inaugurated by the Prime Minister. , please give me some more time. Today you 605 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 606 Report of Commission Relations haVe really demonstrated admirable pa- ment. So, I emphasize that whatever con- tience. Till now you have given sufficient vention was developed by PanditJawaharla1 time to all the speakers. So don't be unkind Nehru as Prime Minister for the 8ppo;ntment to me. I am not speaking a single word which of Governor etc. should be followed and is irrelevant. If I speak something irrelevant, nothing more is required on this. Political you may kindly exptmgS it.(lnteffuptions) people should not be debarred from appointment as Governors. This is the largest There are certain recommendations democracy. Who will become Governor? about the office of the Governor. about the Raj Shavans will the dominion of b)'bunnw- ~ power and fundioning of the Governor. erats, former Secretaries and former Gener- als and so many other people. You see, we Sir, the other day in the form of a non- have brilHant politicians with clear record of official Resolution we have debated this. sacrifices and so many things. Are they just The Governors, as I said, in States occupy a misfit to occupy Raj Bhawans as Gover- pivotal and vital position in the country's nors? What a fallacious thinking is this? As administrative system orfederal system and rightly said by other Members, here and Sir, as you know, the States occupy a vital there, something might have gone wrong. place in the governmental system of the with one person or another. 'Again such country having the responsibil~y for the persons are now in their company. Mr. Ram execution of plans, programmes and poli- Lal is in their company? When he was Gov- cies for the States. Most subjects which ernor of Andhra Pradesh, he was very bad. constitute the ingredients of development Of course, he brought disrepute to that dig- and administration are within the exclusive nified office. When he joined them, he is all jurisdiction of the States and in fact, the right nowl This is the approach of the oppo- States are also associated with the planning s~ion. So, but for this man or that man, we process and implementation of Central proj- should not feel that politicians are misfit as ects. In fact what is happening is, it is partici- Governors. patory democracy and participatory administration which can be called by another term, On the financial side, the States are 'cooperative federalism'. demanding more powers. h is a disturbing trend that diversity is on the increase and the So, Sir, in this background when the national unity and integrity is under great States are enjoying all this, I would say that strain. What is happening? Regionalism we have to continue this system of the also is raising its ugly head. This is a danger Governor. The Governor is really the link and to our democracy, danger to our national as you know., the time has changed, there is solidarity and this needs to be handled very asea-change in the political situation all over firmly, administratively. But unless eco- the country. The States and the Centre are nomic aspirations of the people of all the not under the rule of one Party as it was the States are reasonably met, we cannot check case at the time when the framers of the this. Therefore, more financial provisions Constitution were drafting the Constitution. have to be made for the States and that tOQ, Naturally, the Governor is the vital link be- the States should be grouped under three tween the Centre and State, and precisely I categories, in terms of per capita income of wm say one thing and I will bring it to the the people of the States. Some good recom- attention of the hon. Minister of State for mendations have been made regarding Home Affairs that Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru setting up of Finance Commission and also had shown the path with regard to so many amendment of article 258 for devolution of things. We are observing Pand~ Jawaharlal power at different levels. I welcome those Nehru's Birth Centenary and Jawaharlal things. Consignment tax corporate tax Nehru had developed a certain convention shoutd be transferred to the State and again for the appointment of Governors. Sarkaria State should be given right to determine their Commission's guidelines_aa no improve- own plan and finance their own resources. 607 Motion,.. APRIl.. 4, 1989 on CtIntm-.". 808 RIIpott d CotnmIuion R.(afjDWII

ISh. SribaJIav Panlgrahq These dark forces of reactor ..lying to win over the majority vote on communal and On the political side, I would say, what is caste basis and thus. on the one side, they the necessity of inter-State council? Govem- try to prove that they want unity and oneness ment shoutd carefully examine this point. of India, but • on the other side. practically when the,. 8Ie National Development they are working for division and for the Council and Zonal Council. If the ZonaJ destruction of the county. Our Constitution is Council property functions, I think, there is no very auspicious for our.,:MepIe irrespective necessity for setting up inter-State rouncil. of religion, cast and creed. Founding fathers So also National Development Councif knew the historical background and the should function properly and that should be environment and the sensibilities of our conV8(led frequently. Emergency powers people. They knew the aspirations of the under article 356, of course. to be vested and regions and in that context. Jammu & Ka- they are to be there in th~ Constitution to be shmir was given Article 370. It carried due exercised as and when necessary in ex- weight. h was the Constituent Assembly of treme cases by the Centre. India which had the towering personaDties like Jawahartal Nehru, Maulana Abut Kalam Wl1h these words, I thank you and I Azad, Sardar Patel and hundreds of great request the Government to give serious luminaries of this country and after great consideration to these points. thought. They had given Article 370 to the people of Jammu & Kashmir recognising SHAI ABDUL RASHID KABUlI their rich past heritage and special socio- (Srinagar): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, it economic political background. There is a shows C'IJr self-confidence and strength in Party which is working all over the country our democracy that we are having a debate which says that this article may lead seces- on the report of the Sarkaria Commission. As sion of Kashmir. This divisive force says that Iqbal said: we should omit this Article from the Constitution. By that, they want to cash and Sare Jahan Se Accha, Hindustan catch more votes. How are we going to Hamara tolerate such forces in India. Is this perverse Hum Bulbulen Hain Iski, 'Ye Gulls- thinking help to achieve of India? The BJP tan Hamara supported by RSS in meeting sometimes in Unan Misr Roma Sab Mit Gaye South, sometimes in North. At times when Jahan se they discuss they try to divide people as if it Magar Ab tak Ha Baki Namo is a problem between Hindus and Muslims, Nishan Hamara betwein a majority and a minority. This is mot unfortunate and we should be careful. Iqbal has emphasised the fact that India Article 370 is a gift, a recognition of the has stood as rock with all sorts of cultural struggle of the people of Jammu & Kashmir invasions in the country and it has its now who fought on their own against the feudal vitality which could not be eliminated, which system and made their great sacrifices. It could not be crushed. But at the same time, was the Muslim majority who stood like a it is a Ghulistan. rock against the two-nation theory and stood for the unity of India and made sacrifices. Ghu/istan means, it has distinct cultural These efforts of communal organisations identities living within the entire country. are counter-productive. They are not going Therefore, Sir, this will be unfortunate, if we to help. They are creating wedge between do not encourage the regional aspirations the people, between the religions. which are not detrimental in the unity of the country. Sir unfortunately in this great coun- I remember Sheikh Mohd. Abdullah try, there are some forces which are working when ~e was the Prime Minister of Kashmir against the fundamentals of democracy. in 1947>~was instrumental for tn.e acces- 601 Motion Re. CHAITRA 14,1911 (SAKA) on Centre-stale 610 R9pOIf of Commission R9lations sian of Jammu & Kashmir with the country. ious fanatics meddled in a purely Unguistlc He was a towering personality. He was a problem in Punjab. A section of the Hindus in man who had worked and suffered for a Punjab was asked one thing. The Hindus national cause. There was a Jan Sangh in were asked to name Hindi as their month Jammu which started a movement against tongue in the Census while they spoke the him. soon after he became the Prime Minis· Punjabi. This is the mistake which finalti ter. and questioned the nacess~y of Article devoured Punjab. Fissiparious and divisive 3701 It shouk! be donounced it said" It forces got upper hand by pursuing Hindu. created an issue out of it between Hindus write their language as Hindi. Thus they tried and Muslims. to created a division between the Hindus and Sikhs in Punjab. We are reaping the harvest. They created havoc with Kashmir's India should continue to remain a united sensitive issues and we are reaping the country, as Iqbal said: harvest this day. There have always been tensions in the State. Forces like these ~ has Sare Jahan Se Accha Hindustan have actually provoked the younger genera- Hamara tion. New generations of Kashmir believe Hum Bulbulen Hain Iski Va Gulis· that they were being enslaved in this coun- tan Hamara try; their rights were being taken away. But, Unan, ~i:r Roma, Sab mit Gaje I appeal to the progressive secular and Jahan Se demaicratic forces of India, the Congress, Magar Ab Tak Hai Baki Namo Community Party and other regional organ- Nishan Hamara isations to keep guard who knew the basic reason as to why and in what historical We know the Roman Empire emerged background Kashmir was conceded this was finally destroyed same way. The Egyp- right. It is not enly Kashmir. Special privilege tian Civilisation came to an end. But India were conferred on NEFA and Nagaland has got the vitality to remain verstile and people also. The Constitution has given rythemic. It has got the inner power ending cartain considerations to the sentiments of potential. It can fight all types of divisive people of these areas. forces. No outside power can face us. No outside power can divide us and no outside A communal Party is holding open power can destroy us. Butwithin the country, meetings everywhere demanding abrogat- there are some criminal and divisive forces ing Art-370 and there is nobody to frustrate and the House should take cognisance of such moves by the communalists. their utterances. We should never allow such forces to act or interact in this country. We should not permit this mentally really if we want unity in our country. Pandit With these words, In conclude. Jawaharlal Nehru summed up Indian Na- tional had diversity which we cherish. Our MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The han. diversity does not clash with our unity. Of Minister will reply tomorrow. The House course, we are having different cultures. We stands adiourned to fe-assemble at 11.00 have got the Malayalam Culture, great and A.M. tomorrow. beautiful culture. We have got the Oriya culture, Bengali culture, Punjabi culture and 19.52 hrs. all these cultures are interacting, helping and making this country one. With your Jne LOk Sabha then adjourned till Eleven permission. lastly I would like to mention one of the Clock on Wednesday, AprilS, 1989/ thing. Of course ~me people, some ralig· Chaitra 15, 1911 (Saka)

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