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NATIONAL LIFE STORIES AN ORAL HISTORY OF BRITISH SCIENCE Dr Alan Smith Interviewed by Dr Paul Merchant C1379/65 IMPORTANT Every effort is made to ensure the accuracy of this transcript, however no transcript is an exact translation of the spoken word, and this document is intended to be a guide to the original recording, not replace it. Should you find any errors please inform the Oral History curators. Oral History The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB 020 7412 7404 [email protected] The British Library National Life Stories Interview Summary Sheet Title Page Ref no: C1379/65 Collection title: An Oral History of British Science Interviewee’s surname: Smith Title: Dr Interviewee’s Alan Sex: Male forename: Occupation: geologist Date and place of birth: 24/02/37, Watford, Hertfordshir e Mother’s occupation: / Father’s occupation: Engineer Dates of recording, Compact flash cards used, tracks (from – to): 16/11/11 (track 1-3), 5/1/12 (track 4-6), 26/1/12 (track 7-10), 1/3/12 (track 11). Location of interview: St. John’s College, University of Cambridge Name of interviewer: Dr Paul Merchant Type of recorder: Marantz PMD661 Recording format : 661: WAV 24 bit 48kHz Total no. of tracks: 11 Mono or Stereo: Stereo Total Duration: 11:38:16 Additional material: Copyright/Clearance: © The British Library Interviewer’s comments: Alan Smith Page 1 C1379/65 Track 1 [Track 1] Could you tell me when and where you were born please? I was born in Watford, Watford Maternity Hospital, twenty-fourth of February 1937. And can you tell me anything you know of your father’s life, based on what he might have told you and anything you’ve found out since? Well he, I think people who met him thought he was a genius really. He left school at thirteen and, I mean I can tell you a lot, but the most important point is he went to night school, taught himself how to do things and eventually ended up as a precision electrical engineer, and taught himself how to use these machines called Brown and Sharpe automatic tooling, or whatever, I can’t remember the names of them. But they were big machines and you use cams to activate the tools. I think the tool would come in and then another tool would come in. He more or less retired at the time that electronic tapes and computers were beginning to take over that role. But that was all self-taught and he was not allowed to join the forces during the war because the work he was doing was considered too important for him to go on the front actually. He worked for the Admiralty a lot of the time and various other people. He had a [laughs], he really was an amazing man. He was an excellent photographer and took lots of, made lots of films, very impulsive sort of person, stabilised by my mother. And I suppose my wife would have said that he spoiled me perhaps, I don’t know. In what way? Well, perhaps by putting me on some sort of, you know, can’t do any wrong, kind of thing. But he was, he would have been an excellent professor actually, but he never had a chance and came from a family of five. They lived in London for a lot of the time and his father at one time was a docker in the London docks when the unloading and loading of ships was all done by hand. He carried the sacks off the ships, he put them back on again. He was a big man, he could do that, but it must have been literally back breaking for some people. And I was the first member of the immediate family to go to university. I’m a product of the Butler Education Act I think, which I think was an immensely good thing for the country actually. Alan Smith Page 2 C1379/65 Track 1 [03:06] What did your father tell you about his childhood then? So, his life before leaving school at thirteen and going on to teach himself? He didn’t tell me a lot, except discipline was fairly tough, his father used to beat him. I mean my headmaster used to beat me, so that’s nothing new. But he loved playing practical jokes and he loved helping people as well. So he was, he was very good at school. Oh yes, I remember him telling me about he had a rival in the school – I forget his name, somebody Goldberg – and they always vied with one another in spelling competitions. He was very competitive, good sportsman, loved to play tennis and so on, good cricketer. Did you know his parents, your grandparents? I met his father, he was rather ill when I met him I think. Well no, he became ill, that’s right. That’s when my… his father having worked in the docks had enough money somehow to buy a farm in Essex, they farmed in Essex after the war and during the war. And his wife was also a very spirited woman, she used to look after the chickens and the animals and she ended, after her husband died and the farm passed to one of the sons in the family, in my father’s family, she retired to a gypsy caravan. [laughs] I had lots of relatives in Norfolk. I’m essentially, I think, seven-eighths East Anglian. The other eighth is French, somehow. I never follow that up actually. [05:11] And what work did your father do for the Admiralty? He made highly, well, precision parts of bronze and brass and copper which were a lot to do with electronic or electrical circuitry. There wasn’t much electronics in those days. They were mass produced. I know some of them went into submarines and things like that. It was just a small part which, you know, electrical pins for example, which had to go very precisely into sockets and that sort of thing. I don’t know the details of what they were used for because it was I suppose secret work or something, I don’t know. [05:55] And what can you tell me about your mother’s… Alan Smith Page 3 C1379/65 Track 1 My mother? Yeah. My mother, I never knew, well, I think they were very poor. She was an only child. Her father had a dreadful accident in the First World War and lost the use of one of his hands I think, and so he was an invalid almost in terms of working, I don’t think he could work easily. I never met him because he died long before then and I never met her mother. She died probably after I was born, but I never knew her. She was a very… she was also fairly competitive in a quiet way, she was really thoughtful and became an accountant somehow. I mean not a formal accountant, but she used to run the books for the company she worked for at one time and she ran the books for my father actually. How had they met? I think tennis actually. [07:00] What memories do you have of time spent with your father as a younger child? So if we go sort of no higher than sort of primary school age – things done with him, places gone with him? Well, he used to take me down to the – we had an allotment in the war – used to take me down to the allotment and show me things growing and show me how to grow things. I think he was pretty horrified by the war and he made sure that I knew at a very early age what it involved. I mean although he didn’t go into the forces he did act as a volunteer fireman and was in the London Blitz and fighting fires there and he was horrified by what happened, but he wasn’t a pacifist or anything like that. But we had, I think it was a… I can’t remember if it was a Wellington or a Whitley bomber crash on the allotments in the night and he went down to help. Couldn’t do anything, but in the morning he took me round to show me the crash and also show me what happens to a human being when it gets burnt. Could you describe what you saw that day? Alan Smith Page 4 C1379/65 Track 1 Well, it was just an outline mass of charred material really, you couldn’t tell it was human. Well, except from its gross shape. But I mean he was very, in that sense, you know, that was one of the more shocking things he used to do to me. And I remember when the first films came out of the German concentration camps from Auschwitz and Belsen and so on and there was a showing in London, he took me up there to see them. Why do you think that he did? I think he wanted to show me how awful it was actually. I mean as I say, he wasn’t a pacifist but he just wanted to show, you know. And it did leave a bit of an impression on me, I must admit. And I suppose he was very, you know, his experience himself, if you’re a farm person, if you’ve been on a farm you are really in touch with living things and you see them born, you see them grow and you see them die or sent off to the abattoir and so on, and it’s part of your life and I think, you know, he possibly thought he wanted to show me that’s how life is, actually.