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MINUTES OF THE THIRTEENTH MEETING OF THE COUNCIL OF THE SOUTH AFRICA BRANCH OF THE BOY SCOUTS ASSOCIATION, HELD IN BLOEMFONTEIN, ON WEDNESDAY 14th SEPTEMBER, 1952 AT S .15 a.m.
----- The fallowing representatives wore pressnt:- NATAL DIVISION: Divisional Commissioner E.H. Clemmons. CATE WESTERN PROVINCE DIVISION: Divisional Commissioner C.G. Withinshaw. Divisional Secretary E.B. Willard. Deputy Camp Chief G.E. Angus. CAPE BORDER DIVISION: Mr. A .J . Ford, ORANGE FREE STATE DIVISION: Divisional Commissioner S i r We.. Campbell. Bt.M„G. Asst. Commr. (Rovers) C.R. Woods. District Commissioner Rev. H. Devis. C.AEE....MIDLANDS DIVISION: Divisional Commissioner H. E. Haigh. CATE GP IQ UAL AND '.IS ST DIVISION: Actg. Divisional Commissioner E,T .Colvin. Honorary Divisional Treasurer W,G. Selling. Mr . William Robb. TRANSVAAL DIVISION: Divisional Commissioner Sir Reginald Blankenbcrg. X.B.E. Asst. Divisional Commissioner percival Whit®,lay, 0 .3 .E ., D .S .O ., Divisional FresIdont F. Raleigh. SOUTH AFRICAN PATHFINDER COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES: Divisional pathfinder D. Malcolm. Distriot pathfinder Master p. Sykes. Chief W.Z. Fenyang* IN ATTENDANCE: Kenneth Fleischer (Secretary). ----- oOo------• APOLOGIES WERE- RECEIVED FROM: His Excellency, The Right Honourable, The Earl of Clarendon, G.C.M.G., Chief Scout South Africa and president. Assistant Divisional Commissioner H.V. Marsh. (Natal Division). Divisional Commissioner M. Wilson. (Cap©- Border Division). Divisional/ w Divisional president Dr* Compton. (Cap® Griqualand West Division). Divisional Commissioner R.W. Patterson (South VJ&st Africa Division). MINUTES: Minutes of the previous meeting, having been circulated;, were taken as read and were confirmed. CHAIR: In the absence of His Excellency, The Right Honourable, The Earl cf Clarendon, G.C.M.G., Chief Scout, South Africa, and President of the Council, in terms of the Constitution the Divisional Commissioner of the Division in which the Council IS ©ting is held, took the Chair, namely, Sir, Wi 11 i am C amjb el l , Bart.,, M. C. WELCOME; The Chairman, Sir William Campbell, conveyed to the South Africa Scout Council His Excellency, Chief Scout, South Africa's warm wishes for a successful Meeting of the Council, and the Chairman also extended a very cordial welcome, on behalf of the Orange; Free State Division, tcs all members of the Council present. The Council recorded its appreciation of His Excellency’ s message, and the Secretary was instructed to record the Council's thanks. Normally the Mooting should have been held in East London, but owing to economic conditions the Cape Border Division had generously waived their claim, and the Council recorded its indebtedness to the Cape Border Division for having waived their right to tho meeting being held within their Division. Before proceeding with tho business of the Mooting the Chairman drew tho attention of tho Council to tho conditions upon which mombors of t^~the South Africarn Fathfindor Council wore prosont, and tho resolution passed at tho mooting of tho Council on the 16th Sbbruary, 1931, in Cape Town was road, namely — "It was unanimously agrood that the South African "pathfinder Council have 3 (throe) reprosontativos w©n the South Africa Scout Council, with power to "vote on Pathfinder matters only, and such matters "affecting tho pathfinder Movement bo grouped "uhdor one head of the South Africa Scout Council'; •Agenda, and discussed at a special time to bo " indicatedrt. The Chairman felt that the resolution did not indicate whether members of the South African Pathfinder Council on tho South Africa Scout Council should remain during the whole of tho proceedings of the South Africa Scout Council Mootings or only during the. time when pathfinder matto rs/ * matters were before the Council. After discussion tha Council rocordod that : — "The South African Pathfinder Council’ s "Representatives on tho South Africa Scout "Council wore, in terms of tho resolution wof the 15th February, 1931, entitled to bo "present during discussions on pathfinder “matters and that such representatives had '■''power to vote on pathfinder matters before "tho Council, in addition to which the Pathfinder '’representatives could remain during the “completion of tho Agenda before the South * Africa Scout Council, only they would have no "v©ice or vote on matters not appertaining to "the Pathfinder Movement1*. At this stage the Chairman then summonsed the three South African pathfinder Council representatives. SOUTH AFRICAN PATHFINDER POLICY, ORGANISATION AND RULES: Mr. Raleigh of the Transvaal Division <3rew the attention of the Council to "CLAUSE 8, (i) POWERS AND DUTIES" of tho proposed Pathfinder Policy, Organisation and Rules, in regard to which tho proposed Constitution only providos for the approval of the South Africa Scout Council in this Clause, whereas in the old Constitution the approval of the South Africa Scout Council was incorporated in other sections. Mr. Raleigh said it had been thought necessary to tako legal opinion as to whether Clause 8 (i) in its present form governs tho ontiro Constitution, and that anything done by tho South African pathfinder Council was subject to tho approval of tho South Africa Scout Council, Mr. Raleigh then read a letter from Messrs. Me Ewan, Jfc&rnhead and Pinkerton, from whom the Transvaal Scout Council obtained Legal opinion, and this firm, after perusing tho Constitution, reply as follows:— "We beg to advise that we have perused Clause 8 "and othor Clauses of tho Genoral Principles "of the pathfinder Movementr and consider that rlClause 8 sufficiently sots forth that nothing Hshall be done by tho pathfinder Headquarters "Council in exercise of the powers, privileges "and duties conferred upon it by the said "General principles for the proper conduct and “control of tho pathfinder Movement without tho “approval of the Council of the South African “Boy Scouts' Association. In othor words, no "decision or resolution is complete or of full "forco and effect until it has been approved "by the South African Boy Scouts' Association "Council. Wo do not notico any rule stating how “such approval shall be givon, but presume some ■ “practical system has boon arranged." Mr./ ► Mr. Raleigh also intimated that after Coaling with Clause 8 (i) the Council should docide the procedure that would be necessary to signify the approval or otherwise of the South .Africa Scout Council of those things which the South African pathfinder Council may decide upon from time to time without delay* Ur. Ford of the Capo Border Division considered that tho present wording of Clause 8 would perhaps hold up authority being given to the South African pathfinder Council to bring into offcct cortain of its docisions if that Council had to wait for tho approval of the South Africa Scout Council, and ho considered that it should be divided into two parts, and he, theroforo, on behalf of tho Capo Border Division, suggested that Clause 8 (i) should read as follows:- "In the pathfindor Headquarters Council &ro vested "all the powers, privileges and dutios nocossary "for the proper internal conduct, control and "development of tho Pathfindor "Movement, and to "includo tho administration of such funds as may bo "raised by, or accrue to tho pathfinders from time H o time for its purposes. "All questions of policy, decided to bo such by "the South Africa Scout Council, must be approved "by tho latter body before being given effect to. "Alteration to tho Constitution, Rules or Bye—laws "arc subject to tho approval of the South Africa "Scout Council." Tho Secretary of tho Council drew attention to the fact that tho present wording of Clause 3 was adopted by the South African pathfinder Council after very careful consideration, and that the suggestion of tho Cape Border Division rather emphasized tho words "subject to the approval", in as much as thoy appoared in two scparato places, whereas the present Clause, with the one reference, was a safe-guard, as indicated by legal opinion obtained from Messrs. McSwan, Ftarnhoad and Pinkerton. The Representatives of tho South African Fathfindor Council considered that the clausc drafted by it sufficiently safeguarded the South Africa Scout Council and stated that the present wording in the printer's proof was more acceptable than the wording in the oxisting Constitution. After further discussion, and on tho understanding that the opinion of the Solicitors consulted was correct Mr. Clommans, on behalf of the Natal Division, seconded by Mr. Soiling of tho Cape Griqualand West Division, proposed that Clause 3 (i) as submitted by the South African Pathfinder Council bo approved, namely:- "In tho pathfinder Headquarters Council are vested "all the powers, privileges and dutios necessary for "the proper conduct, control (including the "administration of funds), and development of tho "pathfindor Movement, subjoct to the approval of the Council/ Council of tho South African Boy Scouts' Association.'1 ihis was unanimously agreed to, Mr. Raleigh thon suggested thr.t the most expeditious way of giving effect to the South Africa Scout Council's right of veto would be for a Sub-coramittco to be appointed by the South Africa Scout Council, composed of Divisional Commissioners, and that tho Minutes of tho South African pathfinder Council Meetings, containing resolutions, etc., be circulated to tho Divisional Commissioners, and that i f any one Divisional Commissioner disagreed vith any of tho decisions arrived at by the South African pathfindor Council, tho matter in quostion to bo referred to the South Africa Scout Council. After discussion Mr. Raleigh proposed:- "That a Committee of tho South Africa Scout Council, "composed of all Divisional Commissioners, be "appointed, to whom tho Minutes of all mootings of "tho pathfinder Hbaclq.uarters Council bo circulated "by the Secretary of the South iifrica Scout Council, "with the request that they advise tho Socrotary of "the South Africa Scout Council whether or not they "approve of tho contonts of the Minutes, and if "one-third of tho Divisional Commissioners of the "South Africa Scout Council disapprove of any "resolution or decision such will be referred to tho "South Africa Scout Council for its decision." This resolution was soconded by Mr. Clcmmans of Natal, and unanimously agreed to, ROVER PATHFINDERS: Mr. Raliogh then drex;? tho attention of the South Africa Scout Council to the words "Rover Pathfindor" adopted in tho proposed pathfinder policy, Organisation and Rules, and indicated that for tho classifications used by tho Boy Scouts' Association, namely:— "Boy Scouts" - "Wolf Cubs** - and "Rover Scouts" tho corresponding grades in the proposed draft were — "Pathfinder" - "Tracker" - and "Rover Pathfinder" He pointed out that tho first two classifications of the pathfinder Movement differ from thoso used by tho Boy Scouts, but that tho third classification suggested namely, "Rovor pathfinder" was similar to that used by tho Boy Scout Constitution, The Council, after discussion, felt that confusion would arise if the Pathfinder Movement used as a term for one of its grades the same term as used by the Boy Scouts' Association/ Association. In this connection the following resolution was agreed to '•That the . South Africa Scout Council regrets It "cannot approve of the word "Bovor" to be usod "as part of the classification for the Senior grade “of the pathfinder Movement, and that the words "Service pathfinder" "Senior pathfinder" or any "other term which does not have the word "Hover" in "it be substituted. AGRBSD: Clause 9 (i) - DIVISIONAL ARSA5: Mr. Raleigh drew attontion to the fact that when tho present constitution was first approved the following resolution was passed (25th January, 1929.):- "That this Council requests the South African "pathfinder Council to adopt as Divisional areas, "in the first instance, tho same areas as the "Scout Divisions." The object of this was in order that the representatives from the Divisional Scout Councils to tho Divisional pathfinder Councils could function. The now pathfinder Policy, Organisation and Rules provided that Divisional areas be demarcated*'from time to time by the Pathfinder Headquarters Council, and where practicable these areas would correspond with the Scout Divisional areas. Mr. Malcolm of the South African pathfinder Council pointed out where practicable these areas would correspond with tho Scout Divisional areas, but tho Council had to bear in mind such territories as the "Transhoi" which in time, as tho Pathfinder Movement became moro developed would, for the mcro efficient working of the pathfinder Movement, necessitate a sub-division, and that thoro were other areas in the Union of South Africa which might from time to time become too largo to bo handled by the Divisional pathfinder Council, concorned. Mr. Malcolm said that Clause 8 ( i ) of tho Draft Constitution which provided for tho approval of the South Africa Scout Council on all matters covered this point. . It was agreed to approve tho draft clause reading. "Divisional Councils have such powers and perform "such duties as are delegated to them by tho "Pathfinder Headquarters Council within such areas "as are from time to time demarcated by the "pathfinder Headquarters Council. Where practicable "these areas correspond to the Scout Divisional "are a s ." Clause/ Clause 9 (ii> (c ): Mr. Raleigh pointed out that contrary to the existing constitution there ?^as no liraltation to representation of Organisations supporting the pathfinder Movement within Divisions. Mr. Malcolm of the South African Pathfinder Council pointed out that Organisations, such as Churches who support the Movement would want some representation on the Divisional pathfinder Councils. He emphasized however, that such representation must bo determined by the Divisional Pathfinder Council as provided for in tho ’’Co-opted member s” clause. The Council agreed to approve tho now draft as follows "Members co—optod for one y ea r.” 1. Such representatives of Organisations supporting tho Movement within tho Division as may bo determined by tho Divisional Council. Such other persons as may be co—optod; provided that the number of such co-opted members shall not exceed one-third of the total membership of the Divisional Council, Mr. Raleigh then drew attention to Clause 8 (ix) which provides for the pathfinder Movement to be represented on tho South Africa Scout Council by three representatives elected by the pathfinder Headq.uartors* Council, and ho suggested that it might be well in order to savo any misunderstanding to add:- ”To vote on pathfinder matters only". The Council decided to leave tho Clause in the new Constitution as drafted;— Clauso 8 (ix ): "The pathfinder Movement is represented on the South ’’African Scout Council by three representatives "elected by tho pathfinder Headquarters Council." Tho Natal Division moved - seconded by the Capo Midlands Division — that '^Subject to the amendments made as abovo regarding "Rover Pathfinders tho policy Organisation and Rules "of the Pathfinder Movement of tho South African "Boy Scouts' Association, as revised and adopted by "tho pathfinder Headquarters' Council at its'meeting '•'in Bloemfontein in April, 1933, bo approved. The Chairman put tho Motion to the Meeting, and it was unanimously carried, all members of the South Africa Scout/ Scout Council and oouth ATrican pathfinder Council voting in 7aVCUR. ADVISORY CC-CRDIKATING COMMITTEE: In connection with the resolution of the 16th February 1931 of the South Africa Scout Council Meeting held in Cape Town, recording that the South Africa Scout Council agreed to the appointment of a "Co-ordinating Committee" composed of three representatives of each of the two Councils, the Committee to appoint its own Chairman, the Socretary raised the question as to the intent of the resolution in question. He stated he assumed that the intent of the South Africa Scout Council's resolution is that the Advisory Co-ordinating Committee should be a Standing Committee which will deal in an advisory manner with matters affecting the relationship of the two Movements arising from time to time, and thereafter report to their respective Councils. On the other hand the intention might be that the Committee would only function when the South Africa Scout Council specifically dirocts it so to do, and after such matters have first been before the South Africa Scout Council for consideration. After discussion it was agrecd:- "That the Advisory Co-ordinating Committee should be "a Standing Committee, which will deal in an "advisory manner with matters affecting the relation s h i p of the two Movements arising from time to "time, and thereafter report to their respective "Councils ." It was felt that it would bo to advantago if the representatives of the South Africa Scout Council on the Co-ordinating Committee were individuals who wore accessible to tho Pathfinder Headquarters so that any important matter which might come before tho Committoc could bo promptly dealt with. Tho Council then unanimously appointed:- Divisional Commissioner Sir. Reginald Blankonborg,K.B. Divisional Commissioner 2. H. Clemmans. Divisional President F. Raloigh, as the South Africa Scout Council's representatives on tho Advisory Co-ordinating Committee. LEGISLATIVE PROTECTION: The Secretary reported that nothing further had transpired in connection with tho suggostod General Enabling Bill which would give protection to the Boy Scout uniform - its namo and badges. Tho Cape Griqu aland '.Vest Division mentioned that firms were soiling Bolts and Scout Hats to other than/ "than members Oi oho I'ovemont. It was pointed out. that the wearing of a Scout Hat did not constitute the Boy Scout Uniform, and that nothing could bo eono in regard to Bolts and Hats until such times as a Bill was passed which would givo protection to the design of the Bolt, and the uniform generally. 6. 1953 VIC PL D JAJIBOPSS: iho suggestions of tno Transvaal Division in connection with tho South African representation to the next '.Vorld Jamboree, to be hold in Hungary in 1933, were discussed by the Council, and^ tno following general principles in connection with the next South African Jamboree Contingent were agreed to:- " * ihat the South *»frican Jamboree Contingent shall roly South African in nature — eliminating " Divisional distinction. n 2. That the Scout or appointed by tho South Africa Scout Council in char go of the South African Jambc-rco Contingent shall be designated "C.dof Commissioner-South African Contingentn, and he shall be, if ncccssary, assisted by a * Scoutcr designated "Assistant Commissioner, " South African Contingent M " 3. That a Jamboree Contingent Headquarter Fund be established for administration by the " Chief Commissioner,- tho fund to bo^ raised by a contribution on a. por capita basis from Divisional Jamboree Contingents - not a conoriDution from Divisional Headquarters " funds. ♦ ' 4 * in ^connect ion with tho suggestion that tho oQuoh Air ica Scout Council appoint a Secretary to tho Cent ingont, bo left in abeyance until a later date when tho Council would know whothor a | large enough Contingent would participate. o. Tnat in ordor to eliminate Divisional distinction and emphasise the South African representation, Scouts will bo constituted into Troops named ' after South African animals. f ' k* members of tho South African Contingent to the 1933 7;orld Jamboree shall wear the same uniform and the samo scarf. I 7, That all Jamboree foos shall be paid in full and deposited oy the 1st March—1933, when lists will be definitely closed and no further applications received for membership of tho Contingent under any circumstances whatsoever. In this connection it was stated that the estimated cost per head was £72/-/- * S. That a boy shall be a 2nd Glass Scout at least". The balance of the suggestions of the Transvaal Division were referred to a Sub-Committoo who will draw/ draw a report as soon as possible and circulate it to all Divisions before the next mooting cf the South Africa Scout Council. The points referred to the Sub-Committoo wora:- Sorvico qualifications. Appearance before a Selection Committoo. Certificate from his Scoutmaster. Rover Scout section. Assistant Scoutsrs in Contingent Troops. The Sub-Comir.ittec appointed consist of:- Cape Western ircvinco Division representatives — viz. Divisional Commissioner C.0, Withinshaw. Divisional Secretary E .B . '.Villard. Deputy Camp Chiof G. Angus. The suggestion that a Scout or for tho purpose of the Jamboree should rank only as a Group Scoutmaster was discussed but no resolution was taken. 7 • AFBIlCA.-JvS translation o f "SCOUTING for BOYS" . The Secretary reported that District Commissioner B.H.Havenga of the Transvaal Division, had completed the translation of "Scouting for Boys" into Afrikaans, and the 1*133 was ready fcr the publishers. District Commissioner Havenga had prepared an Dnglish translation of the parts which he had amended or added to. The South Africa Scout Council appointed a Committee, consisting cf the Tho Sonicr Deputy Camp Chiefs cf the C.V/ostern pro vine o Division, and Natal Division, and Transvaal Division, to peruse the altered chapters cf "Scouting for Boys" and to proscnt their report. 8 • TRANSFER OF '.VaRR ANTED OFFICERS TO OTHDRI. PROVINCE. The Orange Fl'oc State Division, with the permission of the Council, withdrew this item. 9. LONS SCOUTS: Tho Secretary reported that Professor A.F. Hattersley, Assistant Divisional Commissioner - Natal Division - had written a Hand Bock for Lone Scouts, which Imperial Headquarters, London had undertaken to publish, and that professor Hat torsi ^y now dcsiros the approval cf the South Africa Scout Council fcr the Hand Dock in question. The/ The Council unanimously passed tho following resolution, that:- "Tho South Africa Scout Council approves " o f tho Lone Scout Hand Book by professor " Hattorsloy." Lone Scout Commissioner : Tho Natal Division raised the question as to whether there was any possibility of securing any measure of uniformity in regard to Lone Scout work thus assisting the development of Lone Scouting in South Africa. After discussion tho Council decided to leave the matter of Lone Scouting to the Divisions concerned, and tho Natal roprosontatives cmphas'izod that if Divisional Commissioners desired to obtain the help and advice of Professor Hattorsloy in connection with Lone Scout Organisation in their Divisions, professor Hattorsloy would bo cnly too glad to be of any assistance. The members ef the Council expressed their appreciation of professor Hattersley's offer. 1C. IMPERIAL HE \DQu ARTERS RECENT PULING RI1: HOLDING- CF rTCRB THAN ONE A’.VARD: In connection with the suggestion ef Imperial Headquarters - namely that a superior award would, in future, automatically cancel out an inferior one, and that recipients cf superior awards for service rould return tc Headquarters the insignia of the inferior award previously granted, it was agreed that this bo left tc I'r. Raleigh - president of tho Transvaal Division, to discuss with His Excellency, Chief S co ut -Sc uth Af r i ca . » The feeling of tho meeting was that recipients would not care to return tho insignia though they might not desire tc wear same. 11. STANDARDIZED INFORMATION RE: FLAGS, AND PRINTING C? TENDERFC-C test cards v/it h south ajrican flag information . This matter was brought before the Council and the Chairman expressed the opinion that the information regarding South African National Flag should bo printed first and that relating to the Union Jack next. Differing opinions were expressed and no resolution was taken on the matter. Tho question cf the publicaticn cf tho whole of tho Tenderfoot Tost Card togo'ther with tho Union JacK, the South African National Flag and the old republican flags in colours was left to tho Transvaal Division to gc Into, and advise Divisions of tho price of such publication. The Council decided that Divisions should not publish/ publish Books or Famphlets without tho authority cf the South Africa Scout Council, and that regulations as to tho printing cf matter affecting tho policy cr instruction of tho Movement by Divisions should bo incorporated in tho proposed 11:-j South Africa Scout Council Constitution. 12* SFRINGBCK'S HEAD ON AIL SCOUT BADGES: Tho Capo Midlands Division proposed that the Springbok's Hoad should be super-imposed on all Sccut Badges, both metal and cloth. It was pointed out that tho Arrow Head at present worn was a standardised Badgo for tho whole of the British Commonwealth, in addition to which the numbers in South Africa would not justify tho expense cf the Springbok's Hoad being super imposed on Badges. Mr. Haigh, Divisional Commissioner Cape Midlands Division, proposed - seconded by Mr. Ciommans, that "Tho timo was not ripe for tho incorporation "of tho Springbok's Hoad on Scout Badges." This was unanimously agreed to . 13. SOUTH \FRICAN J ^MBOREE: Tho matter of tho South African Jamboree was before the Council, and the Secretary road a letter from the East London Municipality in which tho City Council cf East London extended a cordial invitation to the South African Bey Scouts' Association to held its Jamboree at East London, and intimated that tho City Council was prepared tc collaborate with tho City Engineer and the Medical Officer of Hoalth, and was also prepared tc provide latrine blocks, shower rooms, kitchens, including the laying cf the necessary sewers and water mains for camps of various sizes from a minimum capacity of 5,000 to a maximum capacity of 8,000 persons. Tho Council fully discussed tho question, and tho Secretary was instructed to write to tho City Council cf East London convoying the thanks of tho South Africa Scout Council for the invitation, and to say that the Council, if it docidod at any time to hold a Jamboree, will give very caroful consideration to the offer mado by tho City Municipality of East London. UN AN IMP USLY ; GR EE D: 14. SOUTH AFRICAN ROVER SCOUT INDABA: Tho South African Rover Scout Indaba, as agreed at tho last meeting of the South Africa Scout Council, was suggested for tho year - 1933 - to bo held within the Cape Western province Division. The Capo Western province Division had given consideration/ cons idoration to tho matter, and recommended that in view of tho prevailing Depression and tho fact that tho International Scout Jamboree was to take placo in 1933, tho propcsod Rover Scout Indaba, sot down to take placo in tho Cape Western Province Division in 1933,. should be postponed until 1934. Tho South Africa Scout Council unanimously agrood to the postponement. 15. ADDITION TO THE GARDEN.^ 8 5,;DGE - CUB SECTION . The South Africa Scout Council, on the recommendation of tho Transvaal Division, agreed to the adding to the Cub Gardener's Eadgo "section 1, Avocardo pear" and "section 2. Cotton Wool". 16. STANDARDIZED LETTER OF INTRODUCTION: Tho Natal Division raised tho quostion of the standardized letter of Introduction. It was pointed out that considerable confusion had arisen in tho past from Scoutors visiting other Divisions without bearing any official letter of introduction, and that in many instances tho letters in question varied considerably, - in some cases Scouters merely had notes on plain paper signed by a Scoutmaster. It was felt that a standardised letter, distributed to Divisions by th© South Africa Scout Council, should be issued to Scouters visiting any part of the Union of South Africa or Overseas - and that this would be of groat value. A draft credential was presented to the Council drawn up by the Secretary which was approved, and the Secretary was instructed to have these printed and issue supplies to all Divisions, and draw th© attention of Divisions to the fact that they must inform their Scouters that it is essential for Scouters proceeding on holiday to any part of the Union of South Africa or outside‘..its Borders to apply to their respective Divisional Headquarters for a proper credential. 17 . GIFT OF TROPHY. Th© Secretary reported that the Chief Scout had accepted two Silver Cups for us® in the Scout Movement. They were presented to him by two sisters of Mr. Couch who was the Chief Scout's host in South Africa some forty years ago. Die of the trophies has been made use of In England, and the other the Chief would like South Africa to have. It would meet the wishes of the donors i f it could be used for Patrol Competitions in some really poor Troop or Troops. The Secretary reported that the Trophy in question was in his keeping. The South Africa Scout Council after consideration agreed to present the Trophy to the Orange Free State Division for use by the Roodepoort Industrial School Troop being a Union Institution for poor boys near/ near Dewetsdorp - as a Floating Trophy for Inter patrol Competition. In tho event of the Troop becoming defunct, the trophy will be held by the Orange Free State Divisional Scout Council, pending the further decision of the South Africa Scout Council, The Secretary was instructed to convey to tho Chief Scout through Imperial Headquarters the thanks of the Council for the gift in question. 18, TRISTAN DA CUKNA GPCUP AND TUB CAPE 'flESTSFN PROVISOS DIVISION. A letter from the Cape Western 'grcvince Division Was received requesting for the authority of the South Africa Scout Council for the Cape Western province Division to take under its care and to adopt the Group at Tristan Da Culina. The South Africa Scout Council gave the necessary authority, 19. FINANCE: The Financial Statement as presented was approved,' showing a Balance in the Current Account at the Standard Bank of £38-l-3d: and £5,000 invested in 5% Local Registered Stock 1946 - purchased at £101-10-5^- interest being paid half-yearly in May and November . Tho attention of the Council 'was drawn to the fact that the interest accruoing from the Local Registered Stock was just sufficient to meet the annual expenses of the South Africa Scout Council. The Chairman drew the attention of tho Council to the Travelling expenses from May-1931 to August- 1932, amounting to £44-11-4; which included the Secretary's expenses while he was travelling with the Chief Scout, Lord Baden Powell as his Secretary. The Council recorded its appreciation to tho Secretary for keeping his travelling expenses down to such a small amount. Tho cash statement covering approximately 15 months shewed. Dr, Cr . Balanco on hand at last mooting 8th May, 1931 £212.14. 3 Ordinary Rovonue Interest earned £309.16. 5. 309,16. 5. Administration Expenses Secretarial foe to Transvaal Division and Secretary’s salary. 192. 0. 0. Travelling expenses, including Chief Scout's tour. 44.11. 4. Fotty cash and sundry oxpondituro. 36.13. 1. 273. 4. 5. Special Expenditure. Voted for 1st Rover Indaba 70. 0. 0. Translation into Afrikaans "Scouting for Boys" 78.13. 0. Premium on purchase £5,000 Union Stock 62.10. C, 211. 5. 0. £464. 9. 5. £522.10. 8. Balance on hand 31st August 1932: 58 . 1. 3. £522.10. 3. £522.10. 8 . 20. SCOUTMASTERS' INDEMNITY INSURANCE: Tho Secretary reported that Messrs. Glanvill, Enthoven and Co. wore able to issuo a Scoutmasters* Indemnity Insurance at a minimum premium of 5/- per 100 Scouts and/or Cubs and/or Rover Scouts, and that it was hoped all Divisions would take tho opportunity of effecting such Insurance. The Council, however, felt that there might bo a possibility of obtaining a lov.'or quotation, and the Secretary was instructed to approach South African Insuranco Companies as to whether they could issue a similar Policy at a cheaper basic rate. 21. "MIDLANDS TRAIL MAGAZINE" . The Capo Midlands Division reported that the "Capo Midlands Trail" Magacino was to have requested South/ South African roccgnition, but since tho last mooting of tho Council tho Magazine had unfortunately bccomo defunct, therefore tho roquest for roccgnition now foil away. •22. MOTOR CARRIER TFiANSFORTATTON ACT-1950. The Secretary reported that tho Boy Scouts' Association was now exempt from the provisions of the Motor Carrier Transportation Act-1932- and in regard to tho application which had been mado to tho Minister of Railways, ho dosircd to record his gratitude to Mr. 2.B.V/illard-Divisional Secretary of tho Cape Western province Division - for his co-operation and assistance in presenting tho mattor to Members cf parliament in Cape Town, and in keeping him fully informed of tho position from timo to timo. Tho Council also recorded its thanks to Mossrs. Stuttafori and Counter, who had specially interested themselves in the matter. Tho Secretary reported that ho was in communication with the Contral Road Transportation Board as to the general procedure necessary under tho conditions of the Motor Carrier Transportation Act for Motor Carriers to transport Boy Scouts. The Secretary intimate oa that as soon as he received the necessary details from the Contral Road Transportat-ion Board ho would communicate with tho Divisions. NOTED: 25. AMEN HIENT TO THE "PROSPECTOR'S BADGE” . The Natal Division roccmmondod that tho Tests for the "prospector's Badge5' be amended as follows :- "Must havo a general knowledge of the "various periods of the formation of tho '"earth's crust, and which are water tearing "rocks. Must understand stratification, dip, "and faults. Must bo able to identify 2Q "different minerals and recks in their "natural state. Must know the chief "characteristics of the following:- "brachiopods, lamolli-branchs, gastropods, "nautilus, ammonites, bolonnitos, corals, "ochinoids, and trilebitos. Must know the "chief properties of road metalling and "building stone." The Council authorised tho nocossary amendments. 24. PATROL TOT ELIS AND COLOURS: $ho question of the Patrol Totems and patrol Colours was again before tho Council, and the Socrotary reportod that he had received several suggestions from Divisions in regard to the Book produced by tho Capo Wo stern Province Division. The Socrotary was requostod to pass to the Cape Western provinco Division tho suggestions of tho Divisions concerned, and that the Capo Wcstorn province / Province Division was requested to communicate in turn with those Divisions who had made tho suggestions, dircct. Tho matter when finally decided, will comc before tho South Africa Scout Council for its approval. 25. REPORT OF THU CHID? SCOUT'S TOUR-SOUTH AFRICA. Report of the Cnicf Scout's Tour of South Africa which had boon circulated was noted. The Council recorded its appreciation to the Chief Scout of the ’.TorId for tho Visit which he had undertaken in South Africa, which visit was of the greatest possible encouragement to the Movement generally. 26. CGRRSSPONDEUC E: ( a ) ..A 1 otter from the Chief Scout of tho World, addressed to tho Chief Scout, South Africa was read, convoying the Chief Scout's appreciation of the hospitality accordod to tho Chief Scout and tho Chief Guido during their visit to South Africa, and for tho services of Hr. Kenneth Fleischer - Secretary of tho Council - who accompanied the Chief Scout and Chief Guide throughout their South African tour, (b)..Thc Secretary road a letter from Lord Hyde in acknowledgment of the Cable of good wishes, sent by the Secretary of tho South Africa Scout Council, to Lord Hyde on tho occasion of his marriage - contents of which wore noted. (c)..Thc Secretary road a lottcr from the Chief Guido, Lady Baden powoll, in acknowledgment of tho Cable sent on behalf of tho South African Boy Scouts in connection with the honour recently bcstowod on the Chief Guido by His Majesty, Tho King, - contents of which woro noted. 27. SOUTH AEBICA SCOUT COUNCIL CONSTITUTION: The Chairman roported that tho Sub-Cameittoo consisting of Messrs. S.H.Clommans, F.Raloigh and himsolf appointed at the last meeting to examine tho Constitution, had held meetings and had nearly completed its work, as advico had boon received from Imperial Headquarters to tho effect that its policy, Organisation and Rules were undergoing a complete revision, the Committoo decided it would bo bettor to await a draft thereof before finally comploting its work, in order to adopt such alterations as aro doomod advisable. The Council approved of tho policy adopted by tho Sub-Committoo. 28. WORLD THRIFT D.;Y: A letter from tho Capo Western province Division was read in connection with "World Thrift Day" - namely 31st October - and asked constituent Divisions to inform Groups of this fact, reference to / ♦ to bo made from all Pulpits on the Sunday proceeding the 31st. Tho contents of tho lottor woro notod. '' 29 • ^CLFCTffi. UNIFORM: Tho question of wearing Yellow Garter Tabs by Wolf Cubs was loft over until tho next mooting of tho South Africa Scout Council. 30. GENERAL: ( a ) . . . .Census : The Secretary reported that tho South African Census -taken at tho 50th September - 1931 was complete, and showod tho following strengths 192 9 15060 all ranks. 193 0 .15773 all ranks. 193 1 16447 all ranks. There was an increase in 1931 over 1930 of 674 and incrcaso over 1929 of 1,387. This progress the Council considered was sat isfactcry. (b)... Authority to Consult. Tho Secretary drew attention to the difficult position in which he found himself when matters contentious arose, in that he had no one with whom he could consult in obtaining advice as to how to act. Pending the introduction of the now Constitution which would provide for an Executive, tho Council gave authority tc the Secretary to consult tho Constitution Sub committee - namely:- Divisional Commissioner Sir. 7/illiam Carapbell Divisional Commissioner S.K.Ciommans. Divisional president F. Raleigh. on any matter on which tho Secretary would liko advice. (c) .. . „agenda. The question of Agenda items not being sufficiently full in detail being circulated to Divisions was discusscd. Tho representatives pointed out that in some instances tho Divisions merely place the matter on the Agenda without any full information, and tho other Divisions woro not awaro of tho actual points which wore to be introduce^, and it put representatives at a disadvantage, as they had no opportunity of discussing tho matter thomsolvos in thoir own Division. The South Africa Scout Council passed tho folloxving resolution in this connection :- "In connection with the South Africa Scout Council/ ’’Council Mootings, full details of all "rosolutions, proposals, etc. from Divisions "must bo submitted 21 (twenty-ono) days "prior to tho Mooting, tho Divisional "Headquarters to forward ton copiGS of "such rosolution, proposal, etc, with their "views on tho subject, to the Secretary "of tho South Africa Scout Council, for "distribution to all Divisions." UNANIMOUSLY AGREED. id).. . Qnblom. Tho Capo Bordor Division submitted a Divisional Emblom to bo worn by all ranks in tho Capo Bordor Division — consisting of an "Aloe". Tho South Africa Scout Council gave tho * Caps Bordor Division tho nocossary authority to issuo tho Emblom in quostion. to ).. . NEXT MEETING. Tho Cape Border Division oxtondod a cordial invitation for tho noxt Mooting of tho South Africa Scout Council to bo hold in East London. Tho Council accepted tho invitation with thanks. THANKS: Divisional Commissioner E.H.Clsmmans moved a very cordial vote of thanks to Sir William Campboll - Chairman of tho Council - for tho ablo manner in which ho had conducted the Meeting, and for tho assistance which ho had given, with groat ability, in the matters « before the Council for their consideration. UNANIMOUSLY AGREED: Sir William Campboll returned thanks for tho kindnoss of tho Council in expressing thoir approval of fcis conduct of tho Council in session, and stated that tho thanks of council wore duo to thoir Secretary Mr. FLeischer for having boon ablo to doal with a long agonda in a reasonable timo. Tho Council recorded its thanks to the Crango Free State Divisional Scout Council, tho Bloemfontein Club and tho City Council for their hospitality to the Council while in Bloomfontoin and to tho Mayor of Bloemfontein for his presence at tho Informal Luncheon givon by tho Orange Free State Divisional Scout Council- Tho Council also recorded its thanks and appreciation/ appreciation to the Orange BVoo Stato Teachers* Association for thoir kindness for t,ho use of the Teachers* /association Board Boom for tho Mooting. THEBE BEING NC FUBTKEB BUSINESS THE COUNCIL ADJOURNED A? 5,30 p.m. CONFIRMED* CHAlBMAN. KNF/EAH. PATHFINDERS AND THE SCOUT JAMBOREE RELATIONS BETWEEN THL S.A. SCOUT ASSOCIATION AND THE PATHFINDER MOVEMENT Ihe refusal of the Minister of Native Affairs to allow three fathfinders to represent the Fathfinder Movement in S.Africa at the International World Jamboree in Hungary has caused considerable mis understanding in the public mind and also in the minds of Pathfinders regarding the relation of the Pathfinder Movement to the Boy Scouts Association; and there are rumours current to the effect that the Boy Scouts Association was partly responsible for the Minister's action and also that it does not accept any responsibility for the Pathfinder Movement. The Transvaal Divisional Council feels very strongly that in the interests of the F&thfinder Movement the posi tion should be cleared up, and it has sent to the Fathfinder Head quarters the following resolutions (a) That, in view of the widespread misunderstanding which exists in regard to the relationship between the Pathfinder Movement and the S.A.Boy Scouts Association, the Pathfinder Headquarters Council asks the S.A.Scout Council for authority to alter the Pathfinder Movement's designation to that of "Fathfinder-Scout Movement of the Boy Scouts Association" so that the title may more clearly indicate the link between the two Movements, and obviate the criticism that Pathfinders are not part of the World Movement of Scouts. (b) That, in view of the misunderstanding that has arisen, the S.A. Fathfinder Council requests the S.A. Boy Scout Council to is sub a statement to the Press, after consultation with the ( Chief Pathfinder, explaining to the General Public the exact relationship between the Boy Scouts Association and the Path finder Movement of the Boy Scouts Association. Collection Number: AD1715 SOUTH AFRICAN INSTITUTE OF RACE RELATIONS (SAIRR), 1892-1974 PUBLISHER: Collection Funder:- Atlantic Philanthropies Foundation Publisher:- Historical Papers Research Archive Location:- Johannesburg ©2013 LEGAL NOTICES: Copyright Notice: All materials on the Historical Papers website are protected by South African copyright law and may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, displayed, or otherwise published in any format, without the prior written permission of the copyright owner. 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