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Friday Volume 607 11 March 2016 No. 131 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Friday 11 March 2016 £5·00 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2016 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 545 11 MARCH 2016 Foreign National Offenders 546 (Exclusion from the UK) Bill There are 10,442 foreign national prisoners in our House of Commons prisoners out of a total of 85,886—12% of the prison population. You will perhaps be surprised to learn, Friday 11 March 2016 Mr Speaker, that those 10,442 come not just from one, two, three, four, half a dozen or a dozen countries, but from some 160 countries from around the world. Indeed, The House met at half-past Nine o’clock 80% of the world’s nations are represented in our prisons. We are truly an internationally and culturally diverse PRAYERS nation, even in our imprisoned population. Very worryingly indeed, something like a third of them have been convicted of violent and sexual offences; a fifth have been convicted [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] of drugs offences; and others have been convicted of burglary, robbery, fraud and other serious crimes. Mr David Nuttall (Bury North) (Con): I beg to move, That the House sit in private. It is a good thing that the crimes have been detected, Question put forthwith (Standing Order No. 163), and the evidence has been gathered and these people are negatived. being punished for their offences. It is, however, completely wrong that the cost of that imprisonment should fall on British taxpayers, because these individuals—every single Foreign National Offenders (Exclusion last one of them—should be repatriated to secure detention from the UK) Bill in their country of origin, so that taxpayers from their Second Reading own countries can pay the bill for their incarceration and punishment. 9.35 am Several hon. Members rose— Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con): I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. Mr Hollobone: I will be delighted to give way to all I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for those whom I can see. First, I give way to my hon. Wellingborough (Mr Bone) on promoting the Bill. As Friend the Member for Crawley (Henry Smith). you will appreciate, Mr Speaker, it is no easy task to get a private Member’s Bill on to the Order Paper. It Henry Smith (Crawley) (Con): My hon. Friend is, as involved quite a few days and evenings sitting and ever, making a very compelling case. Does he have any sleeping in the corridor upstairs to ensure that this Bill idea of the annual cost to British taxpayers of imprisoning was selected for one of the 13 sitting Fridays. However, foreign nationals? I know that many of my constituents this is not its first appearance, because it was submitted are very concerned about this issue, and thank him for in my name in its original form in 2013 when my hon. raising it. Friends the Members for Wellingborough, for Christchurch (Mr Chope) and for Bury North (Mr Nuttall) and I Mr Hollobone: I am most grateful to my hon. Friend suggested some 40 private Members’ Bills upstairs in for his pertinent intervention and question. He demonstrates what was dubbed by some commentators as the alternative not only his attention to detail and his determination to Queen’s Speech. ensure that he represents his constituents here on a I had wanted to call the Bill the “Foreign National Friday, but that he can get straight to the nub of the Offenders (Send Them All Back) Bill” but that was not issue. He is as concerned as I am about the cost to his allowed by the parliamentary authorities, so it is now constituents of any aspect of Government expenditure. called the Foreign National Offenders (Exclusion from The answer to his question is that if there are 10,500 the UK) Bill, and it does what it says on the tin. It is foreign national offenders in our prisons, the estimated designed to address a serious issue that this country has cost is something like £300 million a year. The Home failed to tackle over the past 10 years, namely that we Office figure for the cost of imprisoning a prisoner is simply have far too many foreign nationals in our something like £26,000. prisons who have committed serious criminal offences. The scale of the problem is quite frightening. Mr David Nuttall (Bury North) (Con) rose— You will not be surprised to know, Mr Speaker, that there are some 85,000 prisoners in total in jail in this Mr Hollobone: I would be delighted to give way to my country. In fact, the latest figures from the Ministry of hon. Friend in just a moment, once I have answered the Justice are that there were 85,886 prisoners in our jails question of my hon. Friend the Member for Crawley. I as of September 2015; that number was given to me in did promise to give way to my hon. Friend the Member answer to a parliamentary question tabled at the end of for Calder Valley (Craig Whittaker)—I keep thinking of January this year. Of those 85,886, 75,010 are British Hebden Bridge, which is in his constituency—but then I nationals, 10,442 are foreign nationals and, bizarrely, will give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Bury there are 434 whose nationalities are somehow not North. I think that the figure is £26,000. recorded. Frankly, it escapes me how 434 individuals could be imprisoned in our country and yet no one The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the seems to know where they came from. I find it worrying Home Department (Karen Bradley) rose— for our national security that there is this large number of people in our prisons about whom we know nothing. Mr Hollobone: The good news for my hon. Friend the How many more are there not in our prisons about Member for Crawley is that he does not have to rely on whom we know nothing and of whose nationality we me for an accurate figure, because the Minister herself have no record at all? is now going to intervene. 547 Foreign National Offenders 11 MARCH 2016 Foreign National Offenders 548 (Exclusion from the UK) Bill (Exclusion from the UK) Bill Karen Bradley: I thank my hon. Friend for giving Sir Edward Leigh (Gainsborough) (Con): One of the way. He is, as has been said, making a very compelling difficulties is that, under article 8 of the Human Rights case. I just want to clarify one point: it is the Ministry of Act, we are not allowed to deport people to so-called Justice, not the Home Office, which deals with prisoner unsafe countries. If 40% of these people come from figures. I would be very happy, later on, to provide the Europe, by definition they do not reside in unsafe figures, but it is the Ministry of Justice that has the figures. countries. Therefore, we need a Bill such as this so that I am sure that he would like to correct the record. they can all be sent back immediately to France, Italy, Germany or wherever. Mr Hollobone: I am delighted to be corrected by my hon. Friend, who is doing a fantastic job in her role as a Mr Hollobone: I agree with my hon. Friend and I Minister of the Crown in the Home Office. I am slightly thank him for that intervention. He is far more expert concerned that, as we are talking about foreign national than I am in legal matters, given his extensive parliamentary offenders in Her Majesty’s prisons, we do not have a experience, legal training, and great deal of common representative from the Ministry of Justice here today. sense, but I am not sure whether he is correct. My understanding is that, in our bizarre human rights Karen Bradley: Again, Mr Speaker, I would just like system, even member states of the European Union are to clarify that point. The Under-Secretary of State for not deemed to be safe countries to return to. I believe Women and Equalities and Family Justice, my hon. that Greece is classified as a country to which it is not Friend the Member for Gosport (Caroline Dinenage) is safe to return individuals, either under the asylum in the building, and will be attending the Chamber regulations or the prison regulations. That is a country shortly. I think that she had a couple of things to do to which millions of our fellow citizens go on holiday beforehand. every year— Mr Speaker: It is very reassuring that the hon. Lady Mr Jim Cunningham (Coventry South) (Lab) rose— is able to drop in on us. We will be deeply grateful to her. Mr Hollobone: I am happy to give way in a moment. Mr Hollobone: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I share your Our citizens go there on holiday every year and yet we sentiments, but at least it is reassuring that the Minister are not allowed, legally, to send back to that country will turn up to the debate. Let us hope that we can ask people whom we do not want here. questions of her later on. Before I take the interventions that I promised, let me say that part of the problem is Mr Cunningham: Will the hon. Gentleman give way? that foreign national offenders and their deportation, removal, transfer, repatriation, or whatever we want to Mr Hollobone: I will give way to the hon.

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