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COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HEALTH COMMITTEE joint with the JUDICIARY COMMITTEE PUBLIC HEARING STATE CAPITOL HARRISBURG, PA MAIN CAPITOL BUILDING ROOM 14 0 WEDNESDAY, APRIL 8, 2 015 9:30 A.M. PRESENTATION ON MEDICAL CANNABIS HEALTH COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT: HONORABLE MATTHEW BAKER, HEALTH MAJORITY CHAIRMAN HONORABLE JIM COX HONORABLE GARY DAY HONORABLE MARCIA HAHN HONORABLE AARON KAUFER HONORABLE JOHN LAWRENCE HONORABLE HARRY LEWIS HONORABLE KRISTEN LEE PHILLIPS-HILL HONORABLE PAUL SCHEMEL HONORABLE MARCY TOEPEL HONORABLE TARAH TOOHIL HONORABLE JESSE TOPPER HONORABLE JUDITH WARD HONORABLE KEVIN BOYLE HONORABLE VANESSA BROWN HONORABLE MARY JO DALEY HONORABLE GERALD MULLERY HONORABLE MIKE O ’BRIEN HONORABLE MIKE SCHLOSSBERG HONORABLE RONALD WATERS 2 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT: HONORABLE RONALD MARSICO, JUDICIARY MAJORITY CHAIRMAN HONORABLE JIM COX HONORABLE SHERYL M. DELOZIER HONORABLE GARTH EVERETT HONORABLE GLEN GRELL HONORABLE BARRY JOZWIAK HONORABLE TEDD NESBIT HONORABLE MIKE REGAN HONORABLE RICK SACCONE HONORABLE TODD STEPHENS HONORABLE MARCY TOEPEL HONORABLE TARAH TOOHIL HONORABLE JOSEPH PETRARCA, JUDICIARY DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN HONORABLE BRYAN BARBIN HONORABLE RYAN BIZZARRO HONORABLE DOM COSTA HONORABLE TINA DAVIS HONORABLE GERALD MULLERY Pennsylvania House of Representatives Commonwealth of Pennsylvania 3 HEALTH COMMITTEE STAFF PRESENT: WHITNEY KROSSE MAJORITY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR NICOLE SIDLE MAJORITY RESEARCH ANALYST JUDY SMITH MAJORITY RESEARCH ANALYST TRICIA LEHMAN MAJORITY PUBLIC RELATIONS COORDINATOR FOR CHAIRMAN BAKER GINA SAVAGLIO MAJORITY ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT ABDOUL BARRY DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR REBECCA SAMMON DEMOCRATIC RESEARCH ANALYST CAMILA POLASKI DEMOCRATIC RESEARCH ANALYST JUDICIARY COMMITTEE STAFF PRESENT: THOMAS DYMEK MAJORITY COUNSEL AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR KAREN DALTON MAJORITY COUNSEL JEN DURALJA MAJORITY SECRETARY MICHELLE MOORE MAJORITY ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT MIKE FINK MAJORITY RESEARCH SARAH SPEED DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR KRISTEN BERNARD DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT 4 I N D E X TESTIFIERS ~k k k NAME PAGE CHRIS ELLIS COFOUNDER AND PRINCIPAL, BEACON INFORMATION DESIGNS, LLC....................12 RISA VETRI FERMAN, ESQ. MONTGOMERY COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY, PENNSYLVANIA DISTRICT ATTORNEY’S ASSOC............ 35 DAVID HECKLER, ESQ. BUCKS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY, PENNSYLVANIA DISTRICT ATTORNEY’S ASSOC............ 37 NATHAN GROFF CHIEF GOVERNMENT RELATIONS OFFICER, VERITEC SOLUTIONS.................................. 92 JAMES WALSH PA STATE LODGE, PENNSYLVANIA FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE........... 114 DEB BECK, MSW PRESIDENT, DRUG & ALCOHOL SERVICE PROVIDERS ORG. OF PA...... 125 EDWIN C. QUIGGLE, JR. PENNSYLVANIANS FOR RATIONAL DRUG POLICY.......... 176 CHIEF WILLIAM KELLY ABINGTON TOWNSHIP PD, AND PRESIDENT, PENNSYLVANIA CHIEFS OF POLICE ASSOCIATION........ 196 EMILY FRENCH COMMUNITIES THAT CARE EDUCATIONAL OUTREACH OF SOUTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA......................... 217 SUBMITTED WRITTEN TESTIMONY ~k ~k ~k (See submitted written testimony and handouts online.) 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 ~k ~k ~k 3 JUDICIARY MAJORITY CHAIRMAN MARSICO: Well, good 4 morning, everyone. Please take your seats. 5 Once again, good morning. Welcome to this public 6 hearing with the House Judiciary Committee and the House 7 Health Committee. First oF all, please silence your cell 8 phones. 9 I want to ask the Members to my right to 10 introduce themselves, Members to our right. 11 REPRESENTATIVE SCHLOSSBERG: Good morning, 12 everyone. Sorry. Mike Schlossberg, 132nd District From 13 Lehigh County. 14 REPRESENTATIVE BIZARRO: Good morning, everyone. 15 State Representative Ryan Bizzarro, 3rd District, Erie 16 County. 17 REPRESENTATIVE BOYLE: State Rep Kevin Boyle, 18 172nd District, northeast Philadelphia. 19 REPRESENTATIVE HAHN: Marcia Hahn, 138th 20 District, Northampton County. 21 REPRESENTATIVE KAUFER: Aaron KauFer, 12 0th 22 District, Luzerne County. 23 REPRESENTATIVE DALEY: Mary Jo Daley, 148th 24 District, Montgomery County. 25 REPRESENTATIVE COX: Jim Cox, 129th District, 6 1 Berks and Lancaster Counties. 2 REPRESENTATIVE COSTA: Dom Costa, 21st District, 3 Allegheny County. 4 REPRESENTATIVE SCHEMEL: Paul Schemel, 90th 5 District, Franklin County. 6 REPRESENTATIVE MULLERY: Gerry Mullery, 119th, 7 Luzerne County. 8 REPRESENTATIVE O'BRIEN: Mike O'Brien, 175th 9 District, Philadelphia, pinch-hitting For Chairman 10 Fabrizio. 11 MS. KROSSE: Whitney Krosse, Executive Director 12 oF the House Health Committee For the Republican Party. 13 HEALTH MAJORITY CHAIRMAN BAKER: Good morning. 14 Representative Matt Baker, Chairman oF the Health 15 Committee, delighted to co-chair this hearing today with my 16 good friend Ron Marsico, Chairman oF the Judiciary 17 Committee and to see such a great turnout oF Members From 18 both Committees. Representing Tioga, Bradford, and Potter 19 Counties. 20 JUDICIARY MAJORITY CHAIRMAN MARSICO: 21 Representative Ron Marsico representing 105th District in 22 Dauphin County. 23 MR. DYMEK: Tom Dymek, Executive Director oF the 24 House Judiciary Committee. 25 JUDICIARY DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN PETRARCA: Joe 7 1 Petrarca, Westmoreland, Armstrong, and Indiana Counties, 2 Democratic Chair oF the Judiciary Committee. 3 MS. SPEED: Sarah Speed, Democratic Executive 4 Director oF the House Judiciary Committee. 5 REPRESENTATIVE LAWRENCE: John Lawrence, 13th 6 Legislative District, Chester and Lancaster Counties. 7 REPRESENTATIVE JOZWIAK: Barry Jozwiak, 5th 8 District, Berks County. 9 MR. BARRY: Abdoul Barry, Executive Director For 10 the House Democratic Health Committee. 11 REPRESENTATIVE GRELL: Glen Grell, Representative 12 from the 87th District, Cumberland County. 13 REPRESENTATIVE TOOHIL: Tarah Toohil, 116th 14 Legislative District, greater Hazleton area, southern 15 Luzerne County. 16 REPRESENTATIVE STEPHENS: Todd Stephens, 17 Montgomery County, 151st Legislative District from the 18 Judiciary Committee. 19 REPRESENTATIVE EVERETT: Garth Everett, 84th 20 District, Lycoming and Union Counties, Judiciary Committee. 21 REPRESENTATIVE REGAN: Mike Regan, 92nd District, 22 York and Cumberland County, Judiciary Committee. 23 REPRESENTATIVE DAY: Gary Day, 187th District, 24 Lehigh and Berks Counties, Health Committee. 25 REPRESENTATIVE NESBIT: Tedd Nesbit, 8th 8 1 District, Mercer and Butler Counties, Judiciary Committee. 2 REPRESENTATIVE WARD: Judy Ward, 80th District, 3 Blair County, Health Committee. 4 REPRESENTATIVE TOPPER: Jesse Topper, 78th 5 District, BedFord County, Franklin County, and Fulton 6 County. 7 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS-HILL: Kristen Phillips- 8 Hill, southern York County. 9 REPRESENTATIVE SACCONE: Rick Saccone, southern 10 Allegheny County and northern Washington County. 11 REPRESENTATIVE TOEPEL: Marcy Toepel, 147th, 12 Montgomery County. I’m a Member oF the Judiciary and the 13 Health Committee. 14 JUDICIARY MAJORITY CHAIRMAN MARSICO: Thank you, 15 Members. Thanks For being here. This really is a great 16 turnout. I appreciate you being here and taking the time 17 to be at this hearing. 18 This is the second oF three planned hearings that 19 the Committees are holding on the topic oF medical 20 marijuana. As you probably know, the first hearing took 21 place two weeks ago at Pennsylvania Hospital in 22 Philadelphia. That hearing focused on the medical debate 23 concerning medical marijuana. The Committee heard from 24 numerous medical proFessionals and others concerning 25 medical research and their experience in using marijuana or 9 1 marijuana extracts For medical treatment. 2 This second hearing today will also include some 3 discussion oF the potential oF medical beneFits and 4 drawbacks oF marijuana but the primary Focus will be on the 5 law enForcement and the regulatory debate relating to 6 medical marijuana. 7 We hope to learn iF there's a saFe and reliable 8 way to regulate medical marijuana were it someday to be 9 made available in Pennsylvania. This hearing, like others, 10 is not about a speciFic bill. Let me repeat that. It’s 11 not about a specific bill. Rather, all oF these hearings 12 are Fact-Finding hearings meant to educate House Members 13 and the public about issues concerning medical marijuana. 14 While it may be natural For testifiers to 15 reFerence some oF the medical marijuana proposals already 16 introduced, the Committees are not seeking positions on any 17 specific bill. 18 Later this month, the Committees will hold one 19 more hearing. This hearing will examine other States’ 20 experiences with implementing their own kinds oF medical 21 marijuana legislation. I want to ask Chairman Baker iF he 22 wants to make some comments. 23 HEALTH MAJORITY CHAIRMAN BAKER: Thank you very 24 much, Chairman Marsico. This has been quite an educational 25 process For our Health Committee Members, as well as all 10 1 the Members in the Legislature. 2 This indeed is a Fact-Finding hearing. It is not 3 designed to advance or oppose any particular piece oF 4 legislation, whether it be in the House or the Senate, but 5 merely to receive good testimony and insights and 6 perspectives From various experts and leaders in various 7 fields oF medicine, science, law enforcement, and 8 eventually to also ascertain Fact-based inFormation and 9 experiences From other States that may have legalized 10 marijuana in one form or another. And so we will continue 11 this investigation and hearing and Fact-Finding mission. 12 Again, we're going to have at least three hearings and I 13 really appreciate the interest oF the Members. 14 JUDICIARY MAJORITY CHAIRMAN