Official Report, Health and Sport Committee, 28 April 2020; C 9.] 5.00 Pm Decision Time—[Graeme Dey]

Meeting of the Parliament Tuesday 5 May 2020 Session 5 © Parliamentary copyright. Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Information on the Scottish Parliament’s copyright policy can be found on the website - www.parliament.scot or by contacting Public Information on 0131 348 5000 Tuesday 5 May 2020 CONTENTS Col. TIME FOR REFLECTION ....................................................................................................................................... 1 BUSINESS MOTION ............................................................................................................................................. 3 Motion moved—[Graeme Dey]—and agreed to. TOPICAL QUESTION TIME ................................................................................................................................... 4 Covid-19 (Testing in Care Homes) ............................................................................................................... 4 Social Distancing (Older People’s Health) ................................................................................................. 10 Barnett Consequentials .............................................................................................................................. 13 Covid-19 (Testing) ...................................................................................................................................... 16 Recycling Centres (Reopening) .................................................................................................................. 19 FINANCE AND ECONOMY (COVID-19) ................................................................................................................ 24 Statement—[Kate Forbes]. The Cabinet Secretary for Finance (Kate Forbes) ..................................................................................... 24 AGRICULTURE (RETAINED EU LAW AND DATA) (SCOTLAND) BILL: STAGE 1 ...................................................... 43 Motion moved—[Fergus Ewing]. The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Economy and Tourism (Fergus Ewing) .................................................. 43 Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) ....................................................................................... 48 Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) ....................................................................................... 51 Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) ........................................................................................................... 54 Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) ........................................................................................... 57 Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) ................................................................................................. 59 Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) .................................................................. 61 Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) .................................................................................................... 63 Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP) ..................................................................................................... 65 Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) ............................................................................................... 67 Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) ................................................................................................. 69 Colin Smyth ................................................................................................................................................ 72 Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) .............................................................................. 74 Fergus Ewing .............................................................................................................................................. 77 PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU MOTION ................................................................................................................... 81 Motion moved—[Graeme Dey]. DECISION TIME ................................................................................................................................................ 82 1 5 MAY 2020 2 People are standing on their doorsteps weekly Scottish Parliament to either clap their hands in gratitude for our front- line workers or stand in silence to give thanks for Tuesday 5 May 2020 the lives of loved ones who have died. Windows, billboards, vehicles and driveways are adorned [The Presiding Officer opened the meeting at with messages of gratitude from John O’Groats to 14:00] Land’s End, all in the name of love. As part of the Millport support group and of a Time for Reflection tremendous ministry team that has kept the congregations of St John’s in Largs and Cumbrae The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh): Good connected in the midst of lockdown through Zoom, afternoon. Before we begin, I remind members social media and telephone, I read, hear and that social distancing regulations are in place witness how powerful love can be when it is in throughout the chamber and the Parliament action. Each day, our Largs-based project the building. I ask that members stick to the same seat Living Room offers a listening ear by telephone to and to be careful, when entering and leaving the those who are struggling, but only thanks to the chamber, to continue to observe the 2m rule. dedication of our team of volunteers. That is love The first item of business is time for reflection. in action. Our time for reflection leader is the Rev Jonathan Friends, I firmly believe that love wins. May we Fleming, who is the minister at Cumbrae parish continue to love our neighbours, to give thanks church and at St John’s parish church in Largs. He and to keep safe. Thank you. is joining us via live audio link. [Interruption.] We will give Mr Fleming a few minutes. The Presiding Officer: Thank you for that contribution. Well, colleagues, we are used to new ways of working and new technologies sometimes letting us down. The Rev Jonathan Fleming (Cumbrae Parish Church and St John’s Parish Church, Largs): Presiding Officer and members of the Scottish Parliament, thank you for the opportunity to address the Scottish Parliament today, albeit from the west coast. I do not know about you but, in the midst of all our current anxiety and uncertainty, I continue to be amazed daily as people come up with creative and beautiful ways to show that they care. From kids using rocks as a canvas on which to paint messages of love and hope to people using 3D printers to make personal protective equipment for care workers, and from the painting of rainbows on windows to volunteers working around the clock to ensure that people have food and medicine, our nation is beaming with love and compassion. When people hear the word “commandment”, many think of the 10 that are listed in the Old Testament of the Bible, but in both the Old Testament and the New Testament, we are also told that we must love our neighbour as we love ourselves—something that Jesus goes on to describe as the greatest commandment. When we look back upon our nation’s response to Covid-19, what words will be brought to your mind? Yes, we started with panic buying, but that soon settled down. Some might remember social distancing—something that might very well have become part of our new normal—but the words that ring in my ears the most from the last few weeks are “thank you”. 3 5 MAY 2020 4 Business Motion Topical Question Time 14:05 14:05 The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh): The The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh): We next item of business is consideration of business now turn to topical questions. Our first question motion S5M-21662, in the name of Graeme Dey, this afternoon is from Alison Johnstone. on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, setting out revisions to this week’s business. Covid-19 (Testing in Care Homes) Motion moved, 1. Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green): To That the Parliament agrees the following revisions to the ask the Scottish Government whether it plans to programme of business for: regularly test all staff and residents in care homes for Covid-19. (S5T-02138) (a) Tuesday 5 May 2020— The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport delete (Jeane Freeman): Since the weekend of 2 and 3 5.00 pm Decision Time May, enhanced outbreak investigations are being and insert carried out in care homes where there has been a confirmed case of Covid-19. In such instances, all 6.00 pm Decision Time residents and staff are offered testing whether or (b) Wednesday 6 May 2020— not they are symptomatic. The enhanced outbreak delete investigations include other homes if that facility is part of a group or chain. As part of our surveillance 2.45 pm Parliamentary Bureau Motions work, sample testing is also done in care homes 2.45 pm First Minister’s Questions where there have been no cases. followed by Stage 3 Proceedings: Consumer All of that is an advance on the previous Scotland Bill position, where symptomatic residents were tested followed by Committee Announcements and, from 22 April, all admissions were tested with the exception of people who had been discharged followed by Business Motions from hospital to the care home having been in followed by Parliamentary Bureau Motions hospital with the virus, in which case they would followed by Approval of SSIs (if required) had to have given two negative tests before discharge.

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