Volume III fi fi fi Wednesday No. 14 26th October, 1966

PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES

DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

OFFICIAL REPORT

THIRD SESSION OF THE SECOND PARLIAMENT OF MALAYSIA

CONTENTS

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [ Col. 2389] EXEMPTED BUSINESS (MOTION) [Col. 2477] BILLS: The Royal Malaysia Police (Amendment) Bill [Col. 2422] The Development Funds Bill [Col. 2435] The Currency Laws (Amendment) Bill [Col. 2448] The Customs (Amendment) Bill [Col. 24511 The Treasury Bills (Local) (Amendment) Bill [Col. 2484] The Consolidated Fund (Expenditure on Account) Bill [Col. 2489] The Municipal (Amendment) Bill [Col. 24901 The Standards Bill [Col. 24941 ADJOURNMENT SPEECH: Kesulitan dan Kesusahan Pekerja2 di-Pelabohan Pulau Pinang [Col. 25081

DI-CHETAK DI -JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1968 MALAYSIA

DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report

Third Session of the Second Dewan Ra`ayat

Wednesday, 16th October, 1966

The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT :

The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YUSUF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, S.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak. the Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, Y.T.M. TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M. (Kuala Kedah). the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of National and Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan). the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, TUN DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, S.S.M., P.M.N. (Johor Timor).

„ the Minister of Finance , TUAN TAN SIEw SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah). the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, TAN SRI V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N. (Sungei Siput). „ the Minister of Transport, TAN SRI HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N. (Pontian Utara). „ the Minister of Health , TUAN BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala. Pilah). the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan). the Minister for Welfare Services , TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang). the Minister for Local Government and Housing , TUAN KHAW KAI-Box, P.J.K. (Ulu Selangor). the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, DATO' TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K. (Sarawak). „ the Minister of Labour, TUAN V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K. (Kiang). „ the Minister of Information and Broadcasting , TUAN SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat). 2383 26 OCTOBER 1966 2384

The Honourable the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TUAN HAJI MOHD. GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak). „ the Minister of Lands and Mines, TUAN ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA`KUB (Sarawak). „ the Assistant Minister without portfolio, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG O'SMAN (Kota Star Utara). the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development, TUAN SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan Datoh). „ the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, DATO' ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M.T., P.J.K. (Trengganu. Tengah). the Assistant Minister of Finance , DR NG KAM Pox, J.P. (Teluk Anson). the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, TUAN IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah). the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, TUAN LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N. (Segamat Selatan). the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, TUAN ALT BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan). „ TUAN ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N . (Melaka Utara). „ TUAN ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N . (Melaka Selatan). „ WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T. (Kuala Trengganu Utara). „ WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG, A.B.S. (Sarawak). „ TUAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P.J.K. (Kuantan). „ TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah). TUAN ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis). „ TUAN ABDUL SAMAD BIN GUL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu). Y.A.M. TtJNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T. (Rawang). „ TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD. SALLEH, A.M.N., S.M.J., P .I.S., (Segamat Utara). TUAN ABU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH (Bachok).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kelantan Hilir). „ TUAN AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara). „ TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SA`AID, J.P. ( Seberang Utara). „ PUAN AJIBAH BINTI ABOL ( Sarawak). „ TUAN AZIL BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam). „ PENGARAII BANYANG ANAK JANTING , P.B.S. (Sarawak). „ TUAN CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N. (Kluang Selatan). „ TUAN CHAN SIANG SUN, P.J. K. (Bentong). TUAN CHEW BIOW CHUON ( Bruas). „ TUAN CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B .S. (Sarawak). „ TUAN FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah). „ TUAN CHIN FooN (Ulu Kinta). „ TUAN EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN ( Sarawak). 2385 26 OCTOBER 1966 2386

The Honourable TUAN SPED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S. (Batu Pahat Dalam). „ DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor,). TAN SRI FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N. (Jitra-Padang Terap . „ TUAN S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K. (Sabah). „ DATU GANIE GILONG. P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah). „ TUAN GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah). „ TUAN GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N. (Penang Utara). „ TUAN HANAFI BIN MOHD. YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara).

TUAN HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N. (Jerai). „ TUAN HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N., J.P. (Baling). „ WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat). TUAN STANLEY Ha NGUN KHIU, A.D.K. (Sabah). „ TUAN HUSSEIN BIN TO' MUDA HASSAN, A.M.N. (Raub). DATO' HAJI HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NOORDIN, D.P.M.P., A.M.N., P.J.K. (Pant). TUAN HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan). TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu). TUAN IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak).

TUAN ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan). TAN SRI SYED JA`AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N. (Johore Tenggara. TUAN KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak). TUAN KAM WooN WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan). TUAN KHoo P'ENG LOONG (Sarawak). TUAN EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak). TUAN LEE SECK FUN, K.M.N. (Tanjong Malim). TUAN AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah). DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S. (Sarawak). DR LIM CHONG Eu (Tanjong). TUAN LIM PEE HUNG, P.J.K. (Alor Star). DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan). TUAN T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson). TUAN C. JOHN ONDU MAJAKIL (Sabah). TUAN JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah). DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P.J.K. (Kuala Kangsar). TUAN MOHD. ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K. (Sabah). DATO' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, S.P.M.K. (Pasir Puteh). ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

Is TUAN MOHD. DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut). TUAN MOHD. TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P.J.K. (Kuala Langat). 2387 26 OCTOBER 1966 2388

The Honourable TUAN MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh). „ TUAN MOHD. ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL , J.M.N. (Sungei Patani). „ WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman). „ TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan). „ TUAN MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir). „ TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU`AUT BIN HAJI MUHD . TAHIR, A.B.S. (Sarawak). „ TUN MUSTAPHA BIN DATU HARUN, S.M.N. (Sabah). „ DATO' HAJI MUSTAFA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam). „ TUAN MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah). „ TAN SRI NIK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P .M.K., S.J.M.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir). TUAN NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah). „ TUAN ONG KEE HUI (Sarawak). „ TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).

„ TUAN OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH , A.M.N. (Perlis Utara) .

„ TUAN QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor) . „ TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N. (Johor Bahru Barat). „ TUAN RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat). „ TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD . SAID, P.J.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin). „ RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA`AMOR, P.J.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor).

„ TUAN SANDOM ANAK NYUAK ( Sarawak). TUAN SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S. (Muar Pantai). TUAN D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

TUAN SIM BOON LIANG, A.B.S. (Sarawak).

TUAN Slow LOONG HIN, P.J.K. (Seremban Barat). TURN SENAWI BIN ISMAIL, P.J.K. (Seberang Selatan).

TUAN SNG CHIN J00 (Sarawak). TUAN SOH AH TECK ( Batu Pahat). „ TURN SULAIMAN BIN ALI (Dungun). „ TURN SULAIMAN BIN HAJI TAIB (Krian Laut).

„ PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah). „ TUAN TAJUDDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K. (Larut Utara).

„ TUAN TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim Bandar Bharu). „ TURN TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).

„ DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu). „ TURN TAN CHENG BEE , J.P. (Bagan). „ TUAN TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang). „ TUAN TAN TSAK Yu (Sarawak). TUAN ToH THEAM HOCK (Kampar). 2389 26 OCTOBER 1966 2390

The Honourable TUAN YEH PAO TZE (Sabah). TUAN STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE ( Sarawak).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD . TAIB, P.J.K. (Langat).

ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister of Education , TUAN MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah). the Minister for Sabah Affairs, TUN DATU MUSTAPHA BIN DATU HARUN, S.M.N., P.D.K. (Sabah). TUAN LEE SIOK YEW , A.M.N., P.J.K., Assistant Minister (Sepang). DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN , S.M.T., Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan). O.K.K. DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN , P.D.K. (Sabah). DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J. (Muar Selatan). TUAN JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak). TURN CHEN WING SUM (Damansara). TUAN D. A. DAGO ANAK RANDAN alias DAGOK ANAK RANDEN (Sarawak). TUAN C. V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar). TUAN HAJI HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Kapar). PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, Q.M.C., A .B.S. (Sarawak). TURN THOMAS KANA ( Sarawak). TURN LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat). TUAN PETER LO Su YIN (Sabah). TUAN MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., P .J.K., J.P. (Jelebu-Jempol). DATO' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM , D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu). TUAN TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka). TUAN TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

PRAYERS Island of Penang and North Indonesia, what the Central (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Government's policy is with regard to the present "free port" ORAL ANSWERS TO status of the Island of Penang; QUESTIONS (b) whether he will assure this FREE PORT STATUS OF House that there will be no PENANG change in the "free port" status 1. Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong) asks without first consulting the wishes the Prime Minister to state : of the people in the Island of Penang; and (a) in view of the prevailing un- certainty amongst the traders in (c) how the Government proposes to Penang with regard to the ascertain the wishes of the people resumption of trade between the in the Island of Penang. 2391 26 OCTOBER 1966 2392

The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, has been achieved by the recent trade Sir, the Honourable Member is aware mission to Moscow . Is he aware that that there is a Bill before this House our Anti-Communist stand will do to amend the Customs Ordinance, 1952, such trade missions no good . Will the so as to enable the relevant authority Prime Minister now consider sending to impose duties where it is found a similar trade mission to the Peoples' necessary , where the need arises, Republic of China. speedily and expeditiously. According to the Minister of Finance, this Bill is The Prime Minister : Sir, there are absolutely necessary as a time saving two questions in this particular one : factor. This is to allow the authority No. (1)-according to the Honourable to impose the tax without having come Member-is why did we send the to this Parliament for the authority to delegation to Russia when it is known do so. that we are anti-Communist ; No. (2)- this is quite the opposite-is when It must be appreciated too that there are we sending another delegation to are so many industries here that are China? Sir, I do not know what is producing goods in this country which working in the Honourable Member's it is the intention of this Government mind. In one case he asks , why did we to encourage , and, with these manu- send a delegation to Russia; and in factured goods produced locally, the the other case he asks, when are we revenue of the Government also going to send a delegation to China? rises. So, if Penang were allowed to However, my answer is that the object import goods that are manufactured of sending this delegation to Russia is in this country without payment of tax, to investigate the possibilities of pur- it would provide an unfair competition chases of Soviet goods. The Malaysian to the goods produced here. Therefore, Government and trading representa- we feel that Penang citizens have to tives now have a better and clearer idea shoulder the responsibility as good of what the market prospects are for citizens, as well as the profit . There are a number of Malaysian exports to the so many things that have to be done U.S.S.R ., and also the prices, terms in Penang; many millions of dollars and availability of Soviet goods of have to be spent there for the various interest to the Malaysian market. The purposes ; and one of them is in respect first hand knowledge derived from of education . The Honourable Mem- this visit would serve as a sound basis ber is aware that the University for developing closer and more College is being built in Penang, and beneficial trade relations between the Central Government has to run it, Malaysia and the Soviet Union. staff it and to build it. Therefore, it is necessary for Penang to have to shoul- As to our background, which the der a little bit of the burden of taxa- Honourable Member referred to as tion. being anti-Communist, I think Russia is well aware about that, and at the As to part (b) of the question, it is same time Russian authorities and Govern- the intention of the Central officials accorded our delegations a ment to consult the State Government very cordial welcome and that shows on matters which affect the State, and that they are not so particular about taxation is one of these matters. our stand . It is not correct for the As to part (c) of the question, the Honourable Member to surmise, there- Government proposes to ascertain the fore, because of our anti -Communist views or the wishes of the Penang stand there was no point of our going people through the Penang Govern- to Russia and this visit we made to ment. That is the rule we practice here Russia has brought$good. and that rule we will follow. As I said just now, he contradicted himself and asked when we are going TRADE MISSION TO MOSCOW to China. Well, as China's attitude to- 2. Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Bath) asks wards us changes, our attitude towards the Minister of Foreign Affairs what China will also change, and if it is 2393 26 OCTOBER 1966 2394 evident to us that China will change, gation to China. We had. A team made or has changed, or is changing its up of tradesmen, in particular rubber attitude towards us, we will be very traders, went on a visit to China about glad to send a delegation there. On the two or three years back. On his ques- other hand, we would not prevent any tion whether we would agree to people private business from sending repre- outside the commercial line, outside sentatives to China to assess the needs the business houses, going there, it of the Chinese market for our goods or depends on who are going (Laughter) : the needs of our markets for Chinese if they are members of the Alliance goods everybody knows, our market is Party, I say, they will be good swamped with Chinese goods today. ambassadors, but he has to convince me that his Party would make a good Dr Tan Chee Khoon : The Honour- ambassador for us. All the time that able Minister for Foreign Affairs is a we have heard, all that we have found little unkind. If there is any confusion, out from them, is that they have been the confusion lies in his mind and in shouting anti-Malaysian slogan, been those of his Ministry. I am all for the decrying this Government's policies and sending of trade missions, whether it is carrying out propaganda to overthrow to U.S.S.R., to China, or to Timbuctoo. this Government by force of arms; and If it can earn us foreign exchange, I if he suggests that people of that type am all for sending these missions. I would make good ambassadors for am not against their sending. I am a Malaysia, I think he had better tell it little worried, Mr Speaker, Sir, that the to the marines-not me (Laughter). continuous anti-Communist stand spouted by Members sitting opposite Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of me, and Members outside this House, clarification, Mr Speaker, Sir, the will mar our chances of establishing Prime Minister has unfortunately trade relations with whatever country- tarred my whole party. If I may re- communist, capitalist, or neutral. mind the Honourable Prime Minister, Now, the question which I wish to in Malaysia Hall in London when I ask is this, Mr Speaker, Sir. Just now stood up to defend the Malaysian the Honourable Minister for Foreign Government I got into trouble with my Affairs has stated that he will consider Party for defending the Malaysian allowing private trade missions to the Government (Laughter). So at least Peoples' Republic of China. I take it there is one member of my Party who, that this stand is a departure from perhaps, does not come within the established practice. I take it that the category that the Honourable Prime Foreign Minister and the Minister of Minister spoke of. Commerce and Industry recognises the vast potential there. lithe rubber for The Prime Minister : That was among the rubber shoes that the Chinese in the people of Malaysia, but it is a Mainland China wear comes from this different tale, a different thing, as re- country, then we need not have to wait gards what he has to do in China. This with a bowl in hand in Washington and was among Malaysian students in elsewhere to sell our rubber. Mr Spea- London, and he did good work there. ker, Sir, the question which I wish to Thank you very much. (Laughter). pose is this : will the Honourable Minister for Foreign Affairs consider KERUGIAN MALAYSIA DAN allowing those who do not come within NEGARA2 COMMONWEALTH the category of traders but who may DENGAN SEBAB KONFRON- be good ambassadors of this country TASI INDONESIA TERHADAP to visit mainland China and, perhaps, MALAYSIA do some propaganda (Laughter) for 3. Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar this country and promote trade rela- Utara) bertanya kapada Menteri Luar tions for this country? Negeri, sejak di-lancharkan konfron- The Prime Minister: It is not correct tasi Indonesia terhadap Malaysia : for the Honourable Member to say (a) berapa-kah jumlah kerugian that we had not sent a private dele- yang di-taksirkan mengikut mata 2395 26 OCTOBER 1966 2396

wang Malaysia yang di-alami hubong dengan orange `awam yang ter- oleh Malaysia dan negara2 chedera itu, saya na' bangkitkan-- Commonwealth yang terlibat ada-kah warith orange ini atau orang bagi mempertahankan Malaysia; `awam yang terchedera itu dapat sagu dan hati daripada Kerajaan kita . Sa-kira- (b) terangkan juga dengan ber- nya dapat, wang dari mana kita bagi- asing2an berapa jumlah bilangan kan. tentera2 Malaysia dan tentera2 Perdana Menteri : Orange yang mati Commonwealth serta juga orange terbunoh dalam medan peperangan `awam yang telah tertawan, ter- dan orange yang terchedera dalam me- korban dan terchedera. dan peperangan dapat sagu hati dari- pada kutipan Defence Fund. Ini di- Perdana Menteri : Tuan Yang di- beri $2,000 sa-orang yang terbunoh ka- Pertua, soalan (a) terlampau panjang pada warith-nya, dan $1,000 kapada dan banyak kesulitan-nya. Nombor yang terchedera. Jadi, orange `awam satu, berapa-kah jumlah kerugian yang jika nampak-nya berkait dengan hal di-taksirkan mengikut mata wang perjuangan itu, di-beri juga pertolongan. Malaysia yang di-alami oleh Malaysia Tetapi di-atas 36 orang yang terche- dan negara2 Commonwealth yang terli- dera itu-32 terchedera di-Singapura, bat bagi mempertahankan Malaysia. jadi 4 orang terchedera di-sini--saya Ini tidak dapat hendak di-ketahui ke- ta' dapat na' cherita ada-kah di-beri rana perbelanjaan ada-lah dua baha- sagu Kati atau tidak kerana saya ta' gian. Terhadap Malaysia, perbelanjaan sangka na' dapat soalan yang sa- nombor satu is-lah kerugian dalam per- umpama ini di-keluarkan. dagangan antara Indonesia dengan Malaysia dalam tiga tahun tentu-lah Wan Hassan bin Wan Daud (Turn- beribu million. Nombor dua, terhadap pat): Ada-kah orange `awam yang telah perbelanjaan peperangan yang di- di-tawan itu telah di-bebaskan atau tanggong oleh Malaysia dan negara2 pun belum di-bebaskan lagi? Commonwealth. Jadi ini pun dalam masa tiga tahun belanja beribu million Perdana Menteri: Orang yang di- juga; tetapi hendak di-tetapkan dengan tawan itu-3 orang di-Malaysia Timor : tetap berapa banyak di-belanjakan siasatan di-atas orang itu sedang di- tidak dapat hendak di-buat. jalankan hari ini dan belum lagi dapat khabaran; lagi sa-orang itu saya pun Soalan (b) terangkan juga dengan ta' tahu di-mana berangkali di-sana berasing2an berapa jumlah bilangan juga, tidak dapat khabaran juga. Tetapi tentera2 Malaysia dan tentera2 hal ini pegawai kita yang ada di-Indo- Commonwealth yang telah chedera nesia telah pun bekerjasama dengan dalam peperangan itu-ini dapat-lah pehak Indonesia untok menyiasat lagi saya beri tabu. Tentera Common- dan belum dapat lagi keputusan. wealth yang terbunoh 64 orang, yang terchedera 128 orang. Termasok dalam BANTUAN TENTERA WATANIAH yang chedera itu dan yang terbunoh DALAM PROJEK2 PEMBANGU- itu sa-orang yang terbunoh di- NAN LUAR BANDAR Singapura, dan yang terchedera, ter- 4. Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya masok tujoh di-Singapura--ini dalam kapada Menteri Pertahanan : bilangan Commonwealth, 64 terbunoh 128 terchedera. Pasokan Keselamatan (a) berapa kali-kah Tentera Wataniah Malaysia yang terbunoh 47 orang dan telah membantu dalam projek2 yang terchedera 53 orang. Orange Pembangunan Luar Bandar dan `awam yang terbunoh 36 orang, ter- dalam bidang perkhidmatan apa- tawan 4 orang dan yang terchedera kah bantuan2 tersebut telah di- termasok 32 orang daripada yang che- ben; dera di-Singapura-53 orang. (b) sama ada mereka di-bayar apa2 elaun daripada Kumpulan Wang Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Tuan Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan. Ber- Bandar; dan 2397 26 OCTOBER 1966 2398

(c) sama ada bantuan yang suchi ini of the armed forces", whether it is akan di-perluas lagi kapada lain2 still the intention of the Government bidang perkhidmatan, mithal-nya to double the Malaysian Army to dalam bidang ugama, pelaj aran nearly 20 battalions as announced by dewasa dan perkhidmatan ke- the Prime Minister in July this year. sihatan. Tun Haji Abdul Razak: It has Menteri Pertahanan (Tun Haji Abdul always been the policy of the Govern- Razak ): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa- ment to raise adequate Armed Forces hingga hari ini Tentera Wataniah telah for the Defence of our land and the membantu dalam projek2 Pembangunan protection of our shores; and with this Luar Bandar sa-banyak 33 kali. objective in view, the Government has Bantuan2 itu di-beri bagi membena approved an expansion plan of our jambatan2 kayu dan jambatan Bailey Armed Forces. Confrontation has given (Bailey bridge), membena dan mem- urgency to the implementation of this baiki jalan enam kaki atau jeep track, plan, and the restoration of peace dan membena tempat bekalan ayer. likewise will not materially affect the Bantuan2 ini ada-lah sa-benar-nya di- ultimate expansion. When the Prime buat sa-bagai latehan kerja dan di- Minister made his statement in July, jalankan dalam masa yang di-untokkan he was only referring to the overall bagi latehan, dan askar2 yang berkenaan strength of the fighting units in the itu mendapat gaji tentera yang tertentu Malaysian Army. When I said that the dan tidak mendapat apa2 elaun yang Government had no intention of luar daripada itu. Bidang2 bantuan itu making any substantial increase in the tidak-lah akan di-luaskan oleh kerana, strength of our Armed Forces, I meant saperti saya kata tali, bantuan itu telah that we will only increase the strength di-beri dalam bidang latehan Tentera of our Armed Forces to an extent Wataniah itu. sufficient for the defence of our land against internal subversion and external Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Tuan infiltration and the protection of our Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan atas shores and we will not go beyond this jawapan yang di-beri oleh Yang Ber- limit. hormat Menteri Pertahanan tali. Saya chuma ingin tahu perkhidmatan yang Tuan Ong Kee Hui: Sir, I would like suchi ini ada-kah di-arah oleh Ke- menterian Pertahanan atau pun di- to ask the Honourable Minister of kehendaki oleh masharakat di-tempat Defence, how the withdrawal of itu melalui Pembangunan Luar Bandar Commonwealth forces from East Daerah? Malaysia affect the situation.

Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Bantuan ini Tun Haji Abdul Razak: The with- di-beri dengan persetujuan daripada drawal of the Commonwealth forces Kementerian Pertahanan sa-lepas men- from East Malaysia will mean that we dapat permintaan atau pun chadangan will have to send more troops to East daripada pehak yang berkenaan, sama Malaysia, and we are now doing that. ada Jawatan-kuasa Kemajuan Daerah atau pun Kerajaan Negeri. Tuan Ong Kee Hui: Sir, would the Honourable the Minister of Defence EXPANSION OF THE MALAYSIAN consider, in expansion of the Malaysian ARMED FORCES forces, recruitment in East Malaysia? 5. Tuan Ong Kee Hui (Sarawak) (under S.O. 24 (2)) asks the Minister Tun Haji Abdul Razak : Mr Speaker, of Defence, in view of his statement in Sir, that is being done now and will Penang, as reported in Straits Times continue to be done. Recruitment to of September 3, "that with the restora- our Armed Forces will be open to all tion of peace with Indonesia, the citizens of our country. whether they Government has no intention to make are from the East Malaysia or West any substantial increase in the strength Malaysia. 2399 26 OCTOBER 1966 2400

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : What efforts kurang dan gaji itu tidak pula di- has the Ministry of Defence taken to bayar tiap2 bulan. train the indigenous people, or the people from Eastern Malaysia for the Tuan Sulaiman bin Bulon: Tuan officer corps of our Armed Forces? Yang di-Pertua, sa-tahu saya tidak ada berlaku perkara yang saperti itu. Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Efforts are Harus juga soalan ini di-bawa oleh being made to train them in all our Yang Berhormat itu dengan berasaskan training units here, and I would like pendapat-nya bahawa guru2 kelas to state that at the moment we have dewasa itu di-beri gaji. Sunggoh pun 4 battalions of the Malaysian Rangers demikian sukachita saya menyatakan and the majority of the men of this bahawa elaun yang di-bayar kapada regiment come from Eastern Malaysia. guru^ pelajaran dewasa ada-lah ber- gantong di-atas jumlah masa dan Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Can the bilangan kelas2 yang di-ajar oleh Honourable Minister of Defence in- mereka itu. Ini ada-lah berma`ana form this House, very roughly, how bahawa jumlah2 elaun bagi guru2 itu many of the people from Eastern pada tiap2 bulan tidak-lah tetap, kerana Malaysia are being trained in the mereka di-bayar mengikut masa, jum- F.M.C. for future careers in the Army? lah jam mereka mengajar di-dalam satu2 bulan itu. Tun Haji Abdul Razak: I must have notice for this question. I have not got Than Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad the exact figures but, as I have said, Mianji: Soalan tambahan. Ada di- we will train as many suitable men as dapati berlaku kejadian di-kawasan we can find, because it is our intention saya di-mana sa-orang guru dewasa to recruit for our Armed Forces tidak menerima elaun-kalau ini di- citizens of this country from all parts namakan elaun-dia tidak menerima of our country. elaun itu tiap2 bulan, dia terima dua bulan sa-kali baharu dia terima elaun GAJI GURU PELAJARAN itu. Ada berlaku kejadian itu di-Pasir DEWASA Mas. 6. Tuan Haji Abdul Samad bin Gul Tuan Sulaiman bin Bulon: Tuan Ahmad Mianji (Pasir Mas Hulu) ber- Yang di-Pertua, kalau sa-kira-nya tanya kapada Menteri Pembangunan berlaku, patut-lah perkara itu di- Negara dan Luar Bandar berapa ruj okkan kapada Kementerian saya banyak gaji yang lazim-nya di-bayar supaya boleh di-siasat, dan boleh jadi kapada sa-orang guru pelajaran dua bulan sa-kali di-bayar itu is-lah dewasa. mengikut masa yang dia mengajar dan mengikut kelas yang di-ajar-nya, dan The Assistant Minister of National kalau dua bulan sa-kali di-bayar and Rural Development (Tuan Sulai- tidak-lah Pula kita tidak membayar man bin Bulon): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, gaji kapada guru2 itu. bagi pengetahuan Ahli Yang Berhor- mat daripada Pasir Mas Ulu, saya Tuan Wan Hassan bin Wan Daud: sukachita menyatakan bahawa guru2 Soalan tambahan. Ada-kah jumlah pelajaran dewasa tidak bergaji. Tetapi masa itu di-hadkan kapada sa-orang mereka chuma di-bayar elaun mengajar guru itu sa-bulan berapa2 jam, sa-banyak $4 bagi satu2 jam is menga- umpama-nya, bagitu juga jumlah kelas jar di-kelas2 dewasa. Guru Pelajaran di-hadkan kapada sa-orang guru, Dewasa menerima gaji urang. umpama-nya 3 atau 4 kelas?

7. Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad Tuan Sulaiman bin Bulon: Ya, Tuan Mianji bertanya kapada Menteri Pem- Yang di-Pertua. Dalam satu minggu bangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar di-hadkan sa-kurang2-nya 3 kali atau jika dia sedar ada berlaku guru2 3 jam, dan sa-orang guru itu di-hadkan pelajaran dewasa menerima gaji yang mengajar dalam 4 kelas satu orang. 2401 26 OCTOBER 1966 2402

EXEMPTION OF FINGER PRINT- Kerajaan, masa yang sudah, telah ING OF OFFENDERS UNDER mengambil tindakan yang tegas ka-atas MINOR TRAFFIC OFFENCES pelampau2 yang menjalankan peninda- san dan pechah-belch di-kalangan 8. Tuan Chia Chin Shin (Sarawak) asks ra`ayat dan Kerajaan akan terus the Minister of Home Affairs to state menerus mengambil tindakan untok whether Government will consider memelihara Perlembagaan sa-berapa exempting persons convicted under yang terdaya. minor traffic offences from finger prints taken even though there is provision in the law for any person who has been IMPORT AND EXPORT TRADE convicted of an offence punishable by THROUGH SINGAPORE a fine of or exceeding one hundred 10. Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the dollars in view of public opinion. Minister of Finance to clarify his statement that the "time is coming The Minister of Home Affairs (Tun when my country will no longer do its Dr Ismail): The law on the registration export and import trade through of criminals is about to be revised. neighbouring lSingapore". The exclusion of minor traffic offences for the purpose of taking finger prints will be considered in the Draft Bill The Minister of Finance (Tuan Tan when it is presented to the House. Slew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not think that the Honourable Member has AHLI2 PARTI POLITIK MEN- quoted me strictly accurately. What I JALANKAN GERAKAN2 ME- said was that the time was coming MECHAH-BELAHKAN ORANG2 when Malaysia could handle more and KAMPONG more of its own trade. There is nothing extraordinary about this state- 9. Tuan Sulaiman bin Haji Taib (Krian ment. Every self-respecting and inde- Laut) bertanya kapada Menteri Hal pendent country in the world and Ehwal Dalam Negeri ada-kah Kerajaan every loyal citizen of such a country- sedar is-itu ada ahli2 dan penganut2 I repeat that the operative word is sa-b uah parti politik di-dalam negeri "loyal"-would like to see that such ini sedang menjalankan pulau memulau a country handle more and more of di-kalangan masharakat kampong its own trade through its own ports. dengan tujuan hendak mempertahan The situation which has arisen now, dan meluaskan pengaroh siasah mereka whereby nearly 40 per cent of our dan telah menimbulkan perpechahan, trade is handled by a port in a foreign pehak memehak dan pergadohan di- kampong2, terutama sa-kali di-Krian country is clearly a relic of the colonial Laut, dan jika sedar, apa-kah tindakan past, when the ruling power treated yang telah di-ambil oleh Kerajaan bagi the whole area as one economic unit menghapuskan gerakan mi. and ruled it as one unit, in spite of the legal fiction of separate political Tun Dr Ismail: Tuan Yang di- administrations. As a result, the finan- Pertua, Kerajaan memang-lah sedar cial and commercial centre of the bahawa pernah terjadi di-masa2 yang former Federation of Malaya, and now lalu, terutama-nya di-kalangan orange Malaysia, was and still is situated kampong Malaysia Barat, terdapat outside our own shores. I am only ahli2 politik yang membiarkan diri suggesting that the present status mereka di-pengarohi oleh aliran politik clearly cannot continue forever as a dalam hubongan kemasharakatan result of the inexorable logic of mereka dengan orange ramai. circumstances. For example, I do not think that we or anyone else affected, Walau bagaimana pun, sa-takat ini should feel resentful if Indonesia were belum lagi terdapat bukti2 yang to decide that as time goes on her own menunj okkan bahawa ada parti2 politik ports should handle more and more tertentu yang menjalankan penindasan of her own trade rather than allow ka-atas orange kampong. Dalam hal ini such trade to pass through Penang, 2403 26 OCTOBER 1966 2404

Port Swettenham or other non-Indo- while I am trying to clarify. The nesian ports. In fact, we should regard Minister has made a long speech it as a natural and inevitable develop- instead of giving me a short reply. He ment, if we have any sense at all. should have brought the Minister to task. (Interruption). There are also economic conse- Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not wish to quences to the proposition that we have any tukar fikiran with him- should handle more of our own trade; tukar fikiran with the Minister of such a move would clearly mean more Finance. Mr Speaker, Sir, if I may employment opportunities for our own make another comment, I entirely people, particularly as one of our most agree with the Minister that we should important tasks in the future will be to take care to see that our ports are ensure employment opportunities for utilised to the maximum extent, that our rapidly growing population. I hope we should see to it that more and more Honourable Members opposite will of our exports and imports are agree that my first duty is to Malaysia diverted through our own ports. and not to a foreign port (Applause). (Interruption). I hope Honourable Members opposite will also agree that, if I have to choose Mr Speaker: I am still waiting for between Penang, Port Swettenham your supplementary question. (Laugh- and/or other Malaysian ports on the ter). one hand and a foreign port on the other, there is no dispute as to where Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Yes, I am the choice should lie. There may be coming to it now, Mr Speaker, Sir, room for disagreement as to the the question that I wish to pose to the methods to be adopted and in regard Minister is this : the apprehension not to the pace of change, but I suggest only in my own mind but also in the that there is no room for argument, minds of the business circle-and here assuming of course, that we are loyal I do not speak for the business circle- citizens of this country and I should is the pace of the diversion that the emphasise again in the strongest country or the Minister may order. possible term that the operative word Is he aware that port facilities are not is "loyal" as to what the ultimate built overnight? Is he also aware that objective must be. In fact, I always trading connections are also not built assumed that this was a self-evident over-night? Is he also aware that it truth. What I said in Washington may well take a generation or more should have caused no more surprise to establish trading links and port than if I have said that the sun will facilities, in order to see that our rise tomorrow morning. If the moment exports and imports go out and come of truth has not arrived for certain in through our own ports? Honourable Members of the Opposi- tion. I suggest that it is clear where Tuan Tan Siew Sin : Mr Speaker, their real sympathies lie and we, on Sir, I can assure the Honourable this side of the House, should be Member opposite and all others, who grateful that at last they have betrayed may have apprehensions on this score, their true feelings. that in making any changes the Government will take all relevant Dr Tan Chee Khoon : It is the habit factors into consideration. of the Ministers sitting opposite us in this House, and not only sitting Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong): Mr opposite of this House but outside this Speaker, Sir, I fully appreciate the House, to label us on this side of the attempt by the Honourable Minister House as being disloyal, and that of Finance to try and define the word loyalty is the prerogative of those "loyalty" in general terms, particularly sitting opposite me and not we on when he refers to other ports in this side of the House (Interruption). relation to national ports. However, Mr Speaker, Sir, the Member for this particular question refers to the Johor Tenggara wants to muzzle me, Port of Singapore, and in view of the 2405 26 OCTOBER 1966 2406 fact that the Government chooses on Tuan Tan Siew Sin : Mr Speaker, Sir, one day to include loyalty to mean I was only stating a fact, but it is of Singapore and the next day change it course an entirely different matter to mean not including Singapore, and whether it is necessary to do what on a further day to tell us that at may have to be done. some subsequent date there may be a reunification of the two areas, how in SURVEY OF GOVERNMENT the wide world does the Honourable REVENUES AND EXPENDI- Minister of Finance choose so precisely TURE to define this term "loyalty"? ll. Tuan Ong Kee Hui (under S.O. 24 (2)) asks the Minister of Finance Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Following on to state, in view of the steep decline in what the Honourable Member for the price of rubber and its far-reaching Tanjong has said, is the Honourable adverse effects on the economy of Minister of Finance aware that none Malaysia, whether he would consider other than the Honourable Prime as a matter of urgency an immediate Minister of this country, after passing survey of government revenues and a night or after partaking of a hearty expenditure with a view to curbing meal with a Minister in a foreign land, extravagance in the dispensation of spouted out, "We will work harmo- public funds. niously together". Is that in consonance with this implied threat that has been Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, uttered by the Honourable Minister of in my reply to the question by the Finance? same Honourable Member-not the Honourable Member who posed the Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, question but the Honourable Member Sir, there is nothing incompatible in whose name the question is put between the statement of the Honour- at a meeting of this House in March able Prime Minister that it is our this year, on the subject of our intention to co-operate to the maximum economy drive, I explained in some possible extent with Singapore and my detail the measures that had been statement that we should try to handle taken to reduce public expenditure. more and more of our own trade. I I do not wish to waste the time of this think the two are entirely separate House by repeating what I said then, issues. I cannot understand why the except to say that in so far as the Honourable Member is so concerned Treasury is concerned, the economy about Singapore. drive is a continuing process. It never stops though we may not say much Dr Tan Chee Khoon : On a point of about it in public. The question of an clarification, since the Honourable immediate survey does not, therefore, Minister of Finance has invited me-- arise because both public revenue and my record in this House when the public expenditure are constantly Singaporeans were in this House stands under review in the Treasury. that I have in no uncertain term consistently attacked the representa- Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Does this tives of the P.A.P. in this House. economy drive extend to-I will not (Applause) (Laughter) (SEVERAL HON- talk about orbital missions by Minis- OURABLE MEMBERS : Shame!). ters-Members of Parliament travel- ling abroad? Mr Speaker, Sir, I refer Mr Speaker, Sir, the question I wish in particular to two Members of to pose is this : how does the state- Parliament who were recalled to this ment made by the Honourable country for the "Black Day" in this Minister of Finance just now tally or country, when the Constitution was add up with what he told Patrick changed on September 19th. These Kellien some time ago that "a Customs people came back at C.P.A. expence. Order on a piece of paper will do the Subsequently, two of them were allow- trick". How do these two statements ed to go back to Canada-one landed add up? in hospital. How does this tally with 2407 26 OCTOBER 1966 2408

the assurance given by the Honourable AUTOMATIC TELEPHONE EX- Minister of Finance? CHANGES FOR MUKAH, DALAT AND BALINGIAN DISTRICTS, Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, SARA WAK we clearly had to have some senior Members of Parliament at important 12. Tuan Sim Boon Liang (Sarawak): functions. That was the sole reason asks the Minister of Works, Posts and why we allowed them to go back. We Telecommunications to state : clearly could not leave the field to his (a) when will an Automatic Ex- colleague who would then lead our change for Telephones in Mukah, delegation, in view of the fact that its Dalat and Balingian Districts be more senior members would have to installed; be in this House itself. (b) why there are delays in trunk calls between Mukah, Dalat, Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Is the Honour- Sibu, Balingian and Kuching; and able Minister of Finance aware that, when Dr Adam Malik and the Deputy (c) whether Government will put Prime Minister returned from Jakarta, more lines in the area to cater this Government declared a holiday for adequately with the number of Selangor. Was he aware that in telephone calls. declaring that holiday the Govern- The Minister of Works, Posts and ments-Federal and State-and Muni- Telecommunications (Tan Sri V. T. cipality had to pay overtime, perhaps, Sambanthan): Mr Speaker, Sir, the to the tune of $0.5 million. Is that in conversion of manually operated ex- consonance with this economy drive changes to automatic working is that we should waste $0.5 million? I dependent on economic considerations hope the Minister will not talk with such as whether the existing manually his tongue in his cheek. operated exchange equipment can be extended economically and efficiently. Tuan Tan Siew Sin : Mr Speaker, Sir, Manual exchanges will, therefore, be I would suggest that that was a small converted to automatic working only price to pay for the ending of con- when it is economical to do so, as frontation. (Applause) (Laughter). otherwise there will be wastage of Dr Tan Chee Khoon: It may be a public funds. In the case of Balingian, small price to pay for the ending of work is going ahead to phase in with confrontation. But, Mr Speaker, Sir, improvements currently being under- $0.5 million is a big sum of money, I taken there to provide better quality can assure the Honourable Minister of junctions between Bintulu, Balingian Finance, particularly to the ra`ayat in and Mukah. It is hoped that work at this country. Balingian will be completed in 1967. In the case of Mukah and Dalat Mr Speaker: I must say that I have telephone exchanges, it is hoped to been very lenient to the Honourable convert them to automatic working Member in not putting his supple- during the First Malaysia Plan. mentary question. (Laughter). You are not supposed to answer back ! With regard to question (b), it is appreciated that there are delays on Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, will the trunk calls between the places men- Honourable Minister of Finance clarify tioned by the Honourable Member. whether the ending of confrontation These delays occurred during certain was effected by the declaration of a peak periods due to the shortage of public holiday in Selangor, or was it lines between the places concerned. effected by the Honourable Deputy The Government has already provided Prime Minister going to Bangkok? a sum of $795,000 this year for the provision of additional trunk lines Tuan Tan Siew Sin : Mr Speaker, Sir, between telephone exchanges in Sara- you cannot prevent the people of this wak. A nine channel radio link was country expressing their joy. provided recently between Sibu and 2409 26 OCTOBER 1966 2410

Mukah, and a further nine channel link Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Tuan is being provided between Balingian Yang di-Pertua, soalan tambahan atas and Bintulu. Next year we shall be jawapan yang telah di-beri oleh providing additional funds amounting Pemangku Menteri Pelajaran tali. to nearly $900,000 for further im- Dapat-kah Kementerian ini menyatakan provement of trunk communication in kapada saya dan juga kapada Dewan Sarawak. I must, however, point out ini bahawa di-antara tujuan dan to the Honourable Member that tele- maksud mustahak-nya negara2 itu communication equipment takes time menggunakan buku2 kita itu, apa to obtain and install. mustahak-nya yang mereka hendak menggunakan buku2 kita? NEGARA2 YANG MEMESAN BUKU2 BAHASA KEBANGSAAN Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan DARI DEWAN BAHASA DAN Yang di-Pertua, jawapan-nya saya rasa PUSTAKA BAG! UNIVERSITI sangat senang dengan kerana negara2 DAN YAYASAN2 PENGAJIAN yang tersebut memang memerlukan TINGGI mengetahui bahasa2 asing dan dengan memesan buku2 daripada Dewan 13. Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya Bahasa dan Pustaka dan dengan kita kapada Menteri Pelajaran : pula memberi buku2 yang tersebut (a) berapa bilangan dan apa nama ada-lah daripada jalan meluaskan lagi negara2 yang telah memesan bahasa kita ini di-pengetahuan pendu- buku2 Bahasa Kebangsaan dari dok2 di-seluroh dunia. Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka untok penggunaan di-Universiti2 KEMAJUAN BAHASA KEBANGSA- dan Yayasan2 Pengajian Tinggi; AN DI-SABAH 14. Pengiran Tahir Petra (Sabah) ber- (b) sama ada buku2 tersebut telah tanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran : di-hantar atas dasar bertukar2 atau dengan di-jual. (a) bagaimana-kah pandangan-nya terhadap kemajuan Bahasa Ke- bangsaan di-Sabah semenjak The Minister of Information and negeri itu mengadakan sambutan Broadcasting (Tuan Senu bin Abdul Minggu Bahasa Kebangsaan-nya Rahman): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak yang pertama beberapa bulan kurang daripada 1.2 buah negara2 luar yang lalu; dan ada-kah kemung- telah memesan buku2 bahasa kebang- kinan bagi Bahasa Kebangsaan saan daripada Dewan Bahasa dan menjadi Bahasa Rasmi yang Pustaka dan di-antara negara2 tersebut tunggal di-Sabah dalam tahun is-lah Arab Saudi, Republic Arab 1973; is-itu sa-sudah 10 tahun Bersatu, Australia, Amerika, Korea Sabah Merdeka menerusi Malay- Selatan, Jepun, Filipina, New Zealand, Thailand, United Kingdom, Holland sia; dan dan Russia. (b) sama ada beliau menyambut balk usul yang di-kemukakan di- Di-Amerika sahaja enam buah dalam Majlis Dewan Ra`ayat, universiti dan sa-buah perpustakaan, meminta Kerajaan menubohkan is-itu Library of Congress telah me- sa-buah chawangan Dewan Ba- mesan buku2 bahasa kebangsaan hasa dan Pustaka di-Malaysia daripada Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka. Timor, dan jika ya, nyatakan sama ada chawangan itu akan di- Di-Australia lima buah, di-Jepun tubohkan di-Sabah atau di- dua buah, di-Philipina dua buah dan Sarawak, dan juga nyatakan lain2 negara masing2 sa-buah. langkah2 yang Kerajaan bercha- dang hendak ambil di-Sabah sa- Russia telah memesan buku2 bahasa belum chawangan tersebut di- kebangsaan melalui sa-buah negeri tubohkan. Eropah. Sa-bahagian daripada buku2 ini di-jual dan sa-bahagian daripada- Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan nya is-lah di-beri atas dasar bertukar2. Yang di-Pertua, Kementerian Pelajaran 2411 26 OCTOBER 1966 2412

merasa sangat puas hati dengan keja- kapada Menteri Pelaj gran sama ada yaan pelancharan Minggu Bahasa beliau sedar is-itu mustahak di-dirikan Kebangsaan yang pertama di-Sabah. sa-buah Sekolah Menengah Rendah Saya yakin bahawa Kerajaan Sabah Kebangsaan di-Sungai Besar, untok akan memperhebatkan lagi kempen mengatasi kesulitan2 yang di-alami bahasa kebangsaan dari sa-masa ka- oleh 296 orang murid2 sekolah mene- samasa sa-bagaimana yang di-lakukan ngah, yang pada masa ini menumpang di-Malaysia Barat dan dengan chara sa-chara sementara di-Sekolah Ke- yang demikian, tiap2 orang warga bangsaan, Sungai Haji Dorani, Pant negara Sabah akan menyedari peri 9, dan di-Sekolah Ugama, Sungai mustahak-nya mempelajari bahasa Besar; jika sedar, sama ada Kemen- kebangsaan yang akan menjadi bahasa terian Pelajaran akan mendirikan sa- rasmi di-Sabah dalam tahun 1973 sa- buah Sekolah Menengah Rendah Ke- bagaimana yang terkanun dalam Per- bangsaan di-Sungai Besar, dalam t hun lembagaan Persekutuan. 1967. Dengan kerjasama dan perasaan ta`at setia dari tiap2 warga negara, saya Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan perchaya bahasa kebangsaan dapat di- Yang di-Pertua, Kementerian Pelajaran jadikan bahasa rasmi bukan sahaja di- memang sedar tentang perlu-nya di- Sabah tetapi juga di-seluroh Malaysia dirikan sa-buah Sekolah Menengah sa-belum tahun 1973. Rendah di-Sungai Besar. Ranchangan2 telah sedia untok pembenaan sekolah Saya sutra membetulkan perchakapan saperti itu dan ada-lah di-t crap Ahli Yang Berhormat berkenaan sekolah itu akan dapat di-siapkan dengan kenyataan-nya tentang ada-nya dalam tahun 1967. usul untok menubohkan satu cha- wangan Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka di- PENUNTUT2 MELAYU YANG Malaysia Timor. Perkara ini sa-mata2 BERHENTI DARI SEKOLAH di-timbulkan oleh salah sa-orang Ahli MENENGAH GERSIK, JOHOR Yang Berhormat apabila Dewan ini membinchangkan Rang Undang2 Pin- 16. Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah daan Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka. Saya (Bachok) bertanya kapada Menteri bersetuju bahawa satu chawangan Pelajaran apa-kah langkah2 yang telah Dewan Bahasa hendak-lah di-tubohkan di-ambit atau yang akan di-ambil oleh di-Malaysia Timor untok memajukan Kementerian beliau berkenaan dengan perkembangan bahasa kebangsaan dan 60 orang penuntut'- Melayu yang telah kesusteraan dan menjalankan tugas2- berhenti daripada Sekolah Menengah nya sa-bagaimana yang terkandong Gersik, Johor, baharu2 ini; dan ada- dalam Undang2 Dewan Bahasa dan kah Kementerian Pelajaran ada apa2 Pustaka. Walau bagaimana pun, Kera- bukti tentang wujud-nya "Kempen jaan Pusat hendak-lah membinchang- Jahiliah" yang menegah pelajar2 me- kan perkara ini dahulu dengan Kera- nuntut di-Sekolah Menengah Rendah jaan Negeri Sabah dan. Sarawak me- Kerajaan. ngena kemungkinan untok menuboh- kan satu chawangan Dewan Bahasa Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan dan Pustaka di-Malaysia Timor. Yang di-Pertua, bagi sementera waktu Masaalah tapak chawangan Dewan ini Jabatan Pelajaran Johor sedang tersebut, jika dan bila chawangan ini menchari satu tempat yang sesuai di-timbangkan, terpaksa juga di- untok menampong 40 orang murid2 binchangkan dan di-persetujui lebeh yang tidak dapat berulang alek ka- dahulu. Gersik. Jabatan itu telah juga memberi dan akan terus memberi bantuan PEMBENAAN SEKOLAH MENE- kapada murid2 yang memohon tukar NGAH RENDAH KEBANGSAAN sekolah berhampiran dengan rumah DI-SUNGAI BESAR, SABAK BER- masing2 dan lagi Kementerian sedang NAM mengkaji kemungkinan membena sa- 15. Dato' Haji Mustapha bin Haji buah lagi Sekolah. Menengah Rendah Abdul Jabar (Sabak Bernam) bertanya di-kawasan, atau pun berhampiran 2413 26 OCTOBER 1966 2414 dengan kawasan di-mana murid2 itu changan dengan pehak berkuasa Negeri tinggal. bagi mendapatkan persetujuan mereka kapada chadangan Kementerian untok Berkenaan bahagian kedua soalan mengambil aleh sa-buah sekolah ugama itu, Kementerian tidak sedar tentang ra`ayat tiap2 Negeri untok di-jadikan apa yang di-katakan "Kempen Jahiliah" chontoh Sekolah Menengah Kebang- yang menggagalkan kemasokan murid2 saan yang mengutamakan pengajian ka-Sekolah2 Menengah Rendah Kera- ugama Islam. jaan di-Johor. Pada peringkat ini terlalu awal bagi Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad saya menyatakan sama ada chara ini Mianji: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soalan akan membawa kapada penubohan sa- tambahan. Dalam lawatan Yang Ber- buah Universiti Islam. hormat Menteri Pelajaran ka-Kelantan lebeh kurang tiga bulan dahulu, beliau TAWARAN PERKHIDMATAN telah mengadakan satu rapat umum SUKARELA DARIPADA GURU2 di-Pasir Puteh dan telah mernbidas WANITA DARI HAWAII DAN pemimpin2 politik sa-tengah2-nya dari- TAHITI pada negeri Kelantan mengadakan, 18. Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah menjalankan, Kempen Jahiliah menye- bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran kat anak2 Melayu daripada negeri Kelantan untok menyambong pela- apa-kah langkah2 yang telah di-arnbil jaran-nya ka-sekolah2 menengah. Ini- oleh Kementerian beliau, hingga seka- lah yang di-kemukakan soalan mi. rang, sa-bagai menyahut tawaran Jadi, kalau-lah jawapan Yang Berhor- daripada guru2 wanita dari Pulau mat Pemangku Menteri Pelajaran ini Hawaii dan Pulau Tahiti yang i ngin mengatakan Kerajaan tidak sedar atas berkhidmat di-Malaysia sa-chara masaalah ini, apa-kah patut sa-orang sukarela. Menteri Pelajaran dengan tidak sedan, atau pun dengan sa-chara yang tidak Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan betul, menudoh pehak Kerajaan Negeri Yang di-Pertua, Kementerian Pela- Kelantan ini mengadakan Kempen jaran tidak mengetahui tentang tawa- Jahiliah bagi menyekat anak2 Melayu ran ini, tetapi jika Ahli Yang bagi menyambong pelajaran-nya ka- Berhormat daripada Bachok ada mene- sekolah menengah mi. rima tawaran dari guru2 perempuan itu boleh-lah dia memberi tahu Ke- Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan menterian Pelajaran (Ketawa). Yang di-Pertua, barangkali soalan ini di-dalam pengetahuan Menteri Pela- MEDICAL AND HOUSING FACI- jaran sendiri, dan saya di-sini chuma LITIES FOR TEACHERS IN sa-bagai pemangku sahaj a. SARA WAK 19. Tuan Sim Boon Liang (Sarawak) KEMAJUAN MEMBENA SE- asks the Minister of Education whether KOLAH2 MENENGAH UGAMA the Government will consider provid- 17. Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah ing medical and housing facilities to bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran all teachers in Sarawak either in apa-kah kemajuan yang telah di-chapai Government, Local Councils, or other oleh Kementerian beliau dalam usaha Aided Schools, and if not, will the hendak membena Sekolah2 Menengah Minister state the reasons for not Ugama, yang kelak akan menjadi providing such facilities. tangga asas kapada penubohan sa-buah Universiti Islam di-negeri kita mi. Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman: Mr Speaker, Sir, as this subject is within Tuan. Senu bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan the jurisdiction of the Sarawak Govern- Yang di-Pertua, Kementerian saya ment, I regret that I am not in a sekarang sedang mengadakan perbin- position to reply to this question. 2415 26 OCTOBER 1966 2416

KERETA2 AMBULAN UNTOK di-gunakan. Kementerian ini sekarang PUSAT2 KESIHATAN DI-SELA- sedang menimbangkan untok meng- NGOR DAN LANGKAH2 DI- ganti kereta2 yang telah tua itu. AMBIL UNTOK MEMBAIKI KERETA2 AMBULAN YANG EMPLOYMENT OF GRADUATES BUROK DI-SABAK BERNAM WHO PASSED THE SOCIETY OF 20. Dato' Haji Mustapha bin Abdul RADIOGRAPHERS EXAMINA- Jabar bertanya kapada Menteri Ke- TION BY GOVERNMENT sihatan: 21. Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the (a) berapa jumlah bilangan kereta2 Minister of Health the reason why the ambulan yang di-untokkan bagi first batch of eleven graduates who Pusat2 Kesihatan di-Selangor, passed the Society of Radiographers pada tahun 1964, 1965 dan 1966, Examination have not found employ- dan siapa-kah yang bertanggong- ment with the Government as yet. If jawab dalam membahagikan there are no vacancies what then is the kereta2- ambulan itu; justification for starting such a course (b) sama ada Kementerian tersebut and for continuing to train two further sedar bahawa kereta2 ambulan batches of trainees numbering 25 in all. di-Sabak Bernam ada-lah di- Is the Minister aware that Dr Omar dalam keadaan yang burok, dan bin Din is reported to have stated in selalu terpaksa di-hantar ka- the Straits Times of 30th September, wokshop2 di-Kiang, Kuala Lum- 1966, that his Department alone needed pur dan Telok Anson untok di- another 24 radiographers in addition baiki, dengan itu menyebabkan to the existing staff and that the East kesusahan2 besar kapada orange Coast was in "dire need" of radio- sakit yang berkehendakkan rawa- graphers. If so, why are these 11 tan segera di-rumah2 sakit di- trained radiographers not employed. Kiang dan di-Kuala Lumpur: jika sedar, nyatakan langkah2 Tuan Bahaman bin Shamsudin: Mr yang telah di-ambil oleh Kemen- Speaker, Sir, the proper Scheme of terian untok mengatasi kesulitan2 Service for directly recruited Radio- mi. graphers was not finalised until recently. Hence, the first batch of 11 Menteri Kesihatan (Tuan Bahaman graduates have not found employment bin Samsudin): (a) Tuan Yang di- in the Ministry. The Public Services Pertua, kereta2 ambulan, biasa-nya, Commission have now advertised for tidak di-simpan di-Pusat2 Kesihatan such Radiographers and an interview tetapi di-rumah2 sakit. Ketua Pegawai will be held soon to select the suitable Perubatan dan Kesihatan Negeri ada- candidates. lah bertanggong-jawab untok mem- bahagikan kereta2 ambulan itu di- There are vacancies to absorb these dalam negeri-nya mengikut keperluan graduates. Those who will be success- di-tempat2 itu. Ada juga lain2 kereta ful in future training programmes, will saperti Land Rover yang di-berikan also be employed because of the kapada Pusat2 Kesihatan untok di- expanding Radiographers Service. gunakan terutama sa-kali membawa kakitangan2 menjalankan tugas-nya ka- Dr Tan Chee Khoon: May I ask the kawasan2. Kereta itu ada-lah di- Minister of Health, why in starting a lengkapi sa-chukup-nya untok mem- training scheme, a School of Radio- bawa orange sakit ka-rumah2 sakit di- graphy, in this country, he has not waktu kechemasan. thought it fit to draw up a Scheme of (b) Saya sedar bahawa kereta2 Service for these people? I believe ambulan di-Sabak Bernam ada-lah there is already in existence a Scheme dalam keadaan burok dan selalu of Service for Radiographers. Can the hendak di-perbetulkan. Tetapi semen- Honourable Minister tell us the differ- tara itu sa-buah kereta dari Kiang ence between the old scheme and the telah di-hantar ka-Sabak Bernam untok scheme mentioned by him just now? 2417 26 OCTOBER 1966 2418

Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: The Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: Mr old Scheme of Service started with a Speaker, Sir, the cause for the delay salary of $452 which is a rather high is non-availability of funds in 1966 starting salary for Radiographers, and and 1967. The construction of this the new scheme is different from the Hospital is now scheduled to start in old one. The old scheme was actually 1968. meant for European officers, and the present one is meant for our local (Answers to Oral Questions not officers. taken as Question Time was up, are given below): Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Can the Honourable Minister of Health tell us EXPORT AND IMPORT STATIS- what is the new Scheme of Service that TICS FOR 1965, SARAWAK he now talks about which is before the Public iServices Commission? 23. Tuan Chia Chin Shin asks the Minister of Commerce and Industry to Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: I state the figures for the year 1965 for cannot give the Honourable Member Sarawak in respect of the following: the Scheme of Service offhand because (a) Gross Exports at f.o.b. value; I have not got it here with me. (b) Gross Imports at c.i.f. value; Dr Tan Chee Khoon: It is incredible, (c) Balance of Trade. Sir. I had filed this question and the Minister should have thought that I The Minister of Commerce and would be asking supplementary ques- Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): The 1965 tions on this. I entirely agree with the Trade Figures for Sarawak are as Minister that the old salary is far too follows: high and is a relic of the colonial days, (a) Gross Exports at where a Radiographer after two years f.o.b. value ... $433,699,071 training gets $452 and it consists of only four or five years' timescale. (b) Gross Imports at However, I would be very grateful if c.i.f. value ... 484,861,272 the Minister will give an indication as (c) Balance of Trade 51,162,201 to what is the proposed timescale, because it really is of utmost import- PREFERENCE FOR TRADERS IN ance not only to those who have PENANG IN NORMALISATION OF graduated but to all those who are TRADE BETWEEN PENANG AND under training and those who may be NORTH INDONESIA thinking in terms of getting such 24. Dr. Lim Chong Eu asks the Minis- training. I can assure the Minister ter of Commerce and Industry to that at least one person who joined assure this House that he will take the school got out of it in double quick necessary steps to ensure that the time and went for another interview traders in Penang, who have pre- where I was present. viously engaged in trade between the Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: I will Island of Penang and North Indonesia let him have the new Scheme of Ser- and who in consequence to confronta- vice, Sir. I do not have it here now. tion have suffered serious hardship during the period of confrontation, PROPOSED HOSPITAL IN will be given preference in the MUKAH, SARAWAK "normalisation" of this traditional trade. 22. Tuan Sim Boon Liang asks the Minister of Health to state what is the Dr Lim Swee Aim : The normalisa- cause of the delay in the construction tion of trade relations between Malay- of the proposed Hospital in Mukah sia and Indonesia is at present being (for the need of 40,000 people in the negotiated. Although the broad prin- District) where the suitable site of land ciple relating to normalisation has for the Hospital is available now and been agreed to, several working details when will the work start. have yet to be discussed and worked 2419 26 OCTOBER 1966 2424 out. Until these details are known it is affecting the standard of living of the too early to have a clear picture of workers and their conditions of what form of trading there will be in employment but also the long term the future. efficiency of the Port itself. The Port Workers (Regulation of Employment) However, I can assure the Honour- Act passed by Parliament last year able Member that I will always bear empowered the establishment of a in mind the interests of bona fide Board which could study the activity traditional barter traders. of the Port and take steps to ensure that a regular and sufficient supply of PORT LABOUR BOARD SCHEME- labour is available for the efficient ASSISTANCE FOR DISCONTEN- performance of Port work. TED PORT LABOURERS IN PENANG In short, a scheme of decasualisation 25. Dr Lim Chong Eu asks the Minis- of Port Labour had to be introduced ter of Labour if he is aware that there and this clearly meant, as was, in fact, is an increasing undercurrent of dis- stated in this House when the Bill was content amongst the port labourers in moved, that the persons who depended Penang since the introduction of the entirely on the port work for their live- Port Labour Board Scheme, and if so, lihood will be given preference for whether he will inform this House Port work as compared to those who what steps he proposes to take to sought work very casually in the Port ensure that: to supplement their earnings elsewhere. (a) those who have been out of work The Board has now after studying by the scheme will be given the rate and volume of work in the suitable employment elsewhere; Port, decided that only 1,326 steve- (b) those who are dissatisfied with dores are required to meet the the conditions of service in the demands of the Port and has registered scheme can effectively seek this number of stevedores . I am satis- redress; and fied that, as far as possible, every (c) all those workers will be encou- endeavour has been made to register raged to form a trade union as all those who depend on the Port for soon as possible. their entire livelihood and that the large majority of those not registered The Minister of Labour (Tuan V. have only a very casual link with Manickavasagam): I am aware that employment in the Port. The Board is there has been some discontent among keeping the size of the register under some workers on the introduction of review and no doubt if the activity of the scheme of registration of steve- the Port can justify the registration of doring employers and workers in more stevedores , the Board is duty Penang. The Port Labour Board bound to register such additional which recommended these measures, number of persons. The exercise in the and I personally have looked into the Port of Penang boils down to simply complaints of most of those who are this proposition whether the people dissatisfied and where possible all who turn to the Port in their off-hours necessary action has been taken. for supplementary employment should be permitted to prejudice the status, In discussing this question, Sir, I feel security of employment and livelihood that I must recapitulate here the basic of the many who have only the Port to reasons for the establishment of the Port seek their livelihood. The answer, I Labour Board in Penang. The Govern- think, is obvious ! ment, after considerable examination and study, came to the conclusion that I can assure the House and the the casual nature of the employment Honourable Member that every endea- of workers in Penang Port, the method vour will be made to meet the needs of their employment and the multi- of the genuine full-time port worker plicity of both port employers and port who has been displaced as a result of workers posed problems not only the registration scheme. 2421 26 OCTOBER 1966 2422

The Board itself is a tripartite body conditions of employment in rubber and the workers' representatives on it estates as a consequence of the sub- could raise any matter affecting them division of such estates. These figures at its meetings. Conditions of employ- are not available. ment, such as wages, hours of work, overtime, etc., are studied by the Wages The Government is, as promised in Council which has been established in Command Paper No. 29 of 1963, Penang and this Council, like the keeping the rate and effects of sub- Board, is a tripartite body, and the division of estates under review and present conditions affecting registered appropriate action will be considered if workers have, in fact, been proposed such is found necessary. and agreed to by the workers' representatives on the Council. They In the circumstances, the need does could always suggest any changes, not arise for collaboration with unions where they consider these necessary. on this study, though any action to be taken subsequently may be discussed I am afraid that neither the Board with them. nor the Government can sponsor the formation of a trade union for these BILLS workers. I can state here, however, that one of the objects in the registration THE ROYAL MALAYSIA POLICE scheme and the operation of the (AMENDMENT) BILL, 1966 Wages Council is that the workers concerned will be enabled to get Second Reading together in appropriate organisations to The Minister of Home Affairs and further protect and promote their Minister of Justice (Tun Dr Ismail): well-being. Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend the LEGISLATION TO PROTECT Royal Malaysia Police Act, 1963, to LABOUR IN THE RUBBER vest the control of components in the PLANTING INDUSTRY BE- States of Malaya in the Inspector- CAUSE OF FRAGMENTATION General of Police and provide for the OF ESTATES appointment of a Deputy Inspector- 26. Tua.n C. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar) General of Police and for other matters asks the Minister of Labour : connected therewith" be read a second time. (a) if his Ministry can offer an estimate of the loss of employ- Sir, for some time, particularly after ment as well as the adverse effects the formation of Malaysia, it has on conditions of employment in become apparent that, in the interests the nation's rubber plantations as of the efficient administration of the a consequence of the sub-division Police Force and at the same time to and fragmentation of estates, and make the best use of the services of if not, senior police officers, the existing (b) whether his Ministry would Headquarters of the States of Malaya undertake an immediate survey component Royal Malaysia Police with the collaboration of the should be amalgamated with the Head- N.U.P.W. and All-Malayan Esta- quarters of the Inspector-General, tes Staff Union of the problems Royal Malaysia Police. Broadly speak- of labour arising from the sub- ing, the reorganisation of the Royal division and fragmentation of Malaysia Police Force sets out to estates, with a view to recom- achieve greater efficiency in the service mending suitable legislation to through expeditious links in the chain protect the interest of labour. of command from the Inspector- General of Police to officers in Tuan V. Manickavasagam : I am not charge of Police Districts and also able to offer any reliable estimate of in the reverse traffic, so that important the loss of employment or effects on problems emanating from Districts 2423 26 OCTOBER 1966 2424

will receive the attention of the duty of the top hierarchy of the Police Inspector-General's Headquarters in to see that not only the peace, security, the shortest possible time. The exercise and harmony of this country are not also envisages the posting of sufficiently impaired but also to see that those senior Police officers at component working under them do not go on a and district levels so that problems of rampage, as this country has seen in lesser importance can be decided on the last few days. Sir, I refer parti- the spot. To enable the proposal to be cularly to the acts of subordinate implemented, the following actions officers in the Police Force who are have, among others, been made : under the direct control of the I.G.P. ((1) The post of Commissioner of and the Deputy I.G.P. Now, one can Police, States of Malaya com- understand that in a situation like this, ponent Royal Malaysia Police, they should be particularly concerned has been abolished. over the security of a very important personage that is going to come to this (h) The Chief Police Officers of the country. But, Mr Speaker, Sir, this 10 Police Contingents in the important personage, namely, President States of Malaya now come Johnson ..... directly under the command of the Inspector-General, Royal Malaysia Police. Tun Dr Ismail: Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of order-I am not averse to (c) The creation of the post of the debate which the Honourable Deputy Inspector-General of Member sought yesterday, but I think Police, who will assist the Inspector-General of Police in the it is also my duty to point out that performance of his duties. under the Standing Orders, whenever he speaks on a matter, he must be The Bill, therefore, seeks to amend relevant to the subject under discus- the Royal Malaysia Police Act, 1963, sion. Now, the Bill that I have brought to vest the control of components in before the House is an Act to amend the States of Malaya in the Inspector- the structure of the Police Force and General of Police and to provide for the appointment of a Deputy Inspector- it has nothing to do with the functions General of Police. Opportunity is also at all. I would like to bring this to taken in this Bill to delete from the your notice, Sir, and I think the Hon- said Act references to Singapore. ourable Member is irrelevant.

Sir, I beg to move. Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Mr Speaker, Sir, as I have pointed out just now, The Minister of Finance (Tuan Tan this Bill seeks, as the Minister has Siew Sin ): Sir, I beg to second the stated, to amend the structure of the motion. Police Force, the I.G.P., the Deputy Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Mr Speaker, I.G.P., the Commissioner of Police and Sir, I notice that this Bill seeks to the like. I wish to point out to this harmonise the top leadership of the House about the responsibility of these Police to provide for an Inspector- people. If we cannot talk about the General of Police and a Deputy responsibility of these people, how Inspector-General of Police and there they should go about their jobs, what are other categories of Police officers- are we here for, Mr Speaker, Sir? Commissioner of Police and the like. Consequently, I crave your kind indul- I take it that the I.G.P., the Deputy gence to' mention about those, who are I.G.P., the Commissioner of Police and a little lower down in the hierarchy of all those in the hierarchy of the Police the Police Force, whop are directly are there to see to the security , peace, under the control of the I.G.P., the and harmony of this country , parti- Deputy I.G.F. and the like. I shall be cularly at this time of stress. grateful, Mr Speaker, Sir, if you will allow me to' comment a little on it. I Mr Speaker, Sir, with your kind am not going to go on at great length indulgence , may I say that it is the on this, but I would be failing in my 2425 26 OCTOBER 1966 2426 duty if I do not comment on the sub- secure peace, harmony, and security ordinate officers of the Police Force in for our foreign visitors. On the other the last few days. hand, one cannot tolerate the Police subordinate officers taking law into Mr Speaker: Yes, if you wish to their own hands, and I commend this, comment on it in passing, I can allow Mr Speaker, Sir, to the Honourable you. Minister of Home Affairs, who is incidentally also the Minister of Justice, Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Mr Speaker, and let there be justice to all in this Sir, I shall be very brief on them. This country, irrespective of race, colour, or country has seen the subordinate creed or rank. officers of the Police Force going to the party premises of the Labour Party Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam (Ipoh): of Malaya and taking away everything Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise to say a few without a "by your leave". Sir, as I words on this Bill, and some of the have pointed out, there have been ban- provisions of this Bill empower the ners saying, "Johnson Go Home", and Inspector-General to carry out duties the Police have gone there without a which so far the Commissioner of word to anybody; they just go there, Police has been carrying out. Now, it and they tore out the banners and just is, therefore, necessary in this debate walked away. Now, Sir, one does not to discuss whether the Commissioner associate representatives of the law of Police has been carrying out his with lawless acts. I do not know on duties properly and whether those what authority the Police have to go duties should be transferred to the on a rampage like this. If the Police Inspector-General of Police-and I can do things like this, are they law unto only do that, Mr Speaker, Sir, by themselves, or are they there to enforce giving a few examples and warning the law? I have been told on good this House of the danger of such a legal advice that these acts of the sub- transfer of powers in the circumstances ordinate officers of the Police Force in of present-day Malaysia. taking away the banners is illegal, and we shall probe this matter a little Mr Speaker, Sir, whether the Com- further. I can understand the concern missioner of Police has so far been of the Police in wanting to take all enforcing the law, or delegating his measures to protect ... . powers properly to subordinate officers, becomes very important and material Mr Speaker: I must point out that when we see that those powers are to I do not see that this has anything to be transferred as envisaged by this Bill do with the Bill in question. The Bill into the hands of the Inspector-General is to amend the structure of the Police of Police. I would have thought that a Force. more appropriate Bill would have been one to curb the powers of the Com- Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Yes, Mr Spea- missioner of Police to lawful acts, and ker, Sir, the Bill is to amend, as you thereafter pass those lawful acts to the have mentioned, the structure of the Inspector-General of Police; but I Police Force. notice that there are no Clauses here curbing the powers of the Commis- Mr Speaker: Yes. If you confine sioner of Police and thereafter passing yourself to mentioning, only in passing, them to the Inspector-General of Police. those points which you have men- tioned, I can allow them. But if you Mr Speaker, Sir, that comes into go on to make a speech and think like great significance within the last few that, I think I have to stop you. weeks, and a transfer of these powers shows us how easily those powers can Dr Tan Chee Khoon : I shall be brief. be abused. Mr Speaker, Sir, the visit I shall end up, Mr Speaker, Sir, by of President Johnson is material only saying that all law abiding citizens in in this sense that it has given this this country can understand the top country an opportunity to know how hierarchy of the Police in wanting to far the powers of the Commissioner of 2427 26 OCTOBER 1966 2428 Police-and when I say "Commissioner he acts in a manner which destroys of Police'', I do not mean him per­ democracy, if he acts as, I would say. sonally, but I mean the Commissioner ruthless men under his command, then of Police as a legal being-and the I say the powers vested in him should powers delegated by him to the other be taken away from him and not officers can be abused. transferred to another person who may exercise them very ruthlessly. Mr Speaker, Sir, President Johnson's visit here may be hailed by a large Mr Speaker, Sir, the visit of President section of the population. There may Johnson has also disclosed to this be a small section or a considerable House and to the world that the section which does not hail his visit. Government does not believe in demo­ The important point, as far as this cracy. How can then we pass these Bill is concerned in relation to Presi­ powers to the Inspector-General of dent Johnson's visit here, is this: that Police? Only yesterday. the Honour­ the Police are the executive powers to able Prime Minister told us that, deal with the security situation in this according to the newspapers, that he country. How has the Commissioner will not allow demonstrations during dealt with it? And now we are asked this period, or in fact any period. Is to pass this power to the Inspector­ that democracy? Is that what America General with an all-embracing autho­ stands for, the great United States of rity over Malaysia. America and their President? Mr Mr Speaker, Sir, it is an unlawful Speaker, Sir, under those circum­ act on the part of the Police to enter stances I cannot support this Bill, and private property and seize anything further I will go on and say that, in from private property, unless they are view of the denial of democratic so authorised by law. Sir, unless the rights to express sentiments peacefully Government, or the Commissioner of and in an orderly manner to President Police, who, hereaf~r this Bill, will be Johnson, my Party has decided that in the Inspector-General of Police, has the inter,est of the people, whatever the audacity to tell us that the words our personal feelings maybe, that we "Johnson Go Back" or "Johnson Go shall boycott all functions in honour Home" are subversive to Malaysia, of President Johnson, not as a sign of or likely to cause a breach of the disrespect to the great President but peace in Malaysia, then I say that they as a sign of protest against the denial had no legal authority to remove of fundamental rights to the people of those banners. We ax;e asked to pass Malaysia in this country. this Bill to enable the Inspector­ General to do the same thing that the Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Commissioner of Police has been doing Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan izin in the last few days. I say it is wrong tuan, saya masok champor berchakap to transfer those powers, because they sadikit berkenaan dengan Rang have been exercised unlawfully, they Undang2 Pindaan kapada Rang Un­ have been exercised ruthlessly, and to dang2 Polis di-Raja Malaysia. Saya add to that, Mr Speaker, Sir, through­ mendapat faham daripada keterangan out the history of Malaysia in the last mengapa Rang Undang2 di-kemuka­ few years, what has the Commissioner kan ia-lah yang nyata-nya kapada kita of Police done? He has constantly hendak membuangkan perkataan violated the fundamental rights of the "Singapura" itu daripada Undang2 ini citizens of this country; peaceful kerana "Singapura" sudah keluar d,emonstrations have been broken up, daripada Malaysia. Dan yang kedua, peaceful demonstrations have been hendak mengadakan jawatan baru ka­ needled and pinned, so that they would pada D.I.G.P. (Deputy Inspector­ go out of hand, so that the Police General of Police). Tetapi dalam could use their batons and violence Clause 2 (b) kita dapati pembahagian on the peaceful demonstrators. The tugas ia-itu bagi negeri2 di-Malaya Commissioner of Police is supposed to kita letakkan tugas itu kuasa-nya di­ preserve democracy in this country. If bawah l.G.P. dan kalau I.G.P. tak 2429 26 OCTOBER 1966 2430 ada kita serahkan kapada D.l.G.P. Undang2 ini di-kemukakan oleh ke­ Tetapi kapada component yang lain rana keadaan di-'Sabah dan Sarawak saperti Sabah dan Sarawak kita serah­ itu berjalan sa-bagai lama dan Kera­ kan kapada Commissioner, kalau saya jaan Pusat kita ini tidak sanggup tidak silap faham bagitu. hendak mengubahkan keadaan itu. Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya Padahal masaalah Polis dan urusan hairan mengapa perbedaan negeri2 Polis semua-nya di-bawah Kerajaan component di-dalam Sabah dan Sara­ Federal. Jadi, itu-lah Tuan Yang di­ wak di-serahkan kapada Commis­ Pertua, saya nampak dan saya minta­ sioner of Police dan di-negeri2 di­ lah Menteri ini menerangkan me­ Malaya di-serahkan kapada l.G.P. ngapa yang mesti di-pisahkan (a) atau pun D.l.G.P-nya. Kerana, Tuan dengan (b) sa-bagaimana dalam Clause Yang di-Pertua, kalau-lah jawatan ini 2 ini: jawatan dalam Polis, l.G.P., D.I.G.P., (a) in respect of the State of Malaya Commissioner, Assistant Commis­ be vested in the Inspector­ sioner,, A.S.P. dan bermacham2, maka General of Police; tidak-lah mustahak kita hendak (b) pula di-dalam Commissioner of meletakkan kuasa itu kapada satu2 Police. pegawai yang tertentu, di-sebutkan nama-nya sebab jawatan di-dalam Dua jawatan itu tidak lain, jawatan Polis itu boleh di-pegang oleh sa­ Polis juga. Jadi, saya nampak barang­ siapa sa-kali pun mithal-nya O.C.P.D. kali ada sa-suatu yang Menteri kita ada yang pangkat A.S.P. boleh jadi tidak mahu terangkan di-sini patut­ O.C.P.D., dan pangkat Senior Inspec­ lah di-terangkan di-sini patut-lah di­ terangkan supaya orang lain tidak-lah tor pun boleh jadi O.C.P.D. dan boleh 2 menentukan kuasa di-component lain, teraba sahaja. Sabah dan Sarawak, kapada Commis­ Tun Dr hmail: Mr Speaker, Sir, sioner-saya tidak dapat significance both the Honourable Member for mengapa di-tegas bagitu. Kalau-lah Batu and Honourable Member for oleh kerana di-Sabah dan Sarawak lpoh have made observations and they itu pada masa ini jawatan itu di­ have said that the Police are perform­ sebut sa-bagai jawatan Commissioner ing illegal acts; also, according to the tidak I.G.P., Sabah dan Sarawak Member for lpoh, he opposed the sudah masok di-dalam Malaysia dan transfer of powers from the Commis­ jawatan itu tidak mesti di-kekalkan sioner of Police to the Deputy lagi sa-bagai lama. Kalau perkataan "Commissioner" itu maseh hendak di­ Inspector-General and to the gunakan lagi sa-bagai mana sekarang Inspector-General of Police. Now, Sir, ini, maka itu ada-lah sudah luar although these two gentlemen made biasa yang tidak mesti di-tentukan this opposition, they belong to two identity atau pun peribadi di-Sabah different political parties with differ­ dan Sarawak itu. rent backgrounds. Kita sa-mata2 menyerahkan kuasa Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, kapada Polis di-bawah l.G.P. tetapi Sir, on a point of clarification-both bagi Sabah dan Sarawak itu, oleh are freedom loving parties. kerana Deputy I.G.P.-nya tidak ada dalam Malaysia ini hanya ada sa­ Tun Dr Ismail: That depends on the orang sahaja, maka kita boleh-lah interpretation of the words "freedom bagi delegated power kapada pegawai loving" by the members of these yang lebeh rendah lagi, Commissioner­ parties. Of course, we have heard kah atau Assistant Commissioner-kah nowadays how the word "democracy" di-bawah itu tidak payah di-sebut di­ has been interpreted in various ways. dalam Undang2 ini hendak meletak­ kan kapada Commissioner yang ter­ Now, Sir, subject to correction, I do tentu. not think I have ever heard either of the two Members condemning Commu­ Jadi, di-situ-lah, Tuan Yang di­ nism in this House. Sir, the very Pertua, saya nampak barangkali Rang essence of the threat to the security 2431 26 OCTOBER 1966 2432 to this country as is mentioned in the parties, and we will never allow those White Paper, which has just been parties to make any demonstration, published, comes from militant because we know that they cannot Communists trying to destroy demo­ control those demonstration. Many a cracy in this country. I have re­ time in this country, when there was peatedly said in this House in respect a demonstration by the Labour Party of Members of the Opposition Parties it always ended up in a riot; the riot that they are exercising their rights, was not done by the moderate but all I ask of them is that they members, not by the Honourable should also exercise their responsi­ Member himself, but it happened bilities when the threat to the $ecurity because the moderates would not of this country has been clearly control the pro-Communists in the put to them, according to what party. is written in the White Paper. We have published White Paper time and again, Now, Sir, the Honourable Member and they are results of research done for lpoh, I have never said that the over a number of months time con­ People's Progressive Party, whatever suming efforts. These White Papers their faults, so far had been tainted are verified from captured documents by the communists. All that we ask of and all the time the White Papers the Honourable Member for lpoh, stress the danger of Communism to since he represents the P.P.P. in this this country. Genuine political parties House, is that if he wants to make a have been allowed to function and protest against the visit of President never have we accused political parties Johnson, he could come and discuss in any one of the White Paper, except with me and the Police as to how we that we have mentioned certain poli­ can try to adapt things, because all tical parties, like the Labour Front, what we are trying to do is to see to who associate with and, make use of it that Communists do not exploit the the Communists in order to further situation created by the political par­ their political aims. ties. We have read in other countries of demonstrations against President The Honourable Member for Batu Johnson; we believe in democracy; and himself knows that what the commu­ as far as possible we are prepared to nists are doing to his Party. He him­ do that. However, we must, first of all, self said in this House that if we per­ know the record of the party concern­ secute the moderates in his party, it ed, and that is why all this time I will be left to the Communists and the have asked the Honourable Member pro-Communists. I have said in this for Batu to help the Government to House-although jokingly sometimes cleanse his party of the pro­ but it contains a lot of truth-that I Communists, and the Communists. It am trying to help him to build a real may be an uphill battle for him to socialist party in this country. After build a Labour Party in this country, all, in any democracy, we would like but with the record of the present to see opposition, an alternate Govern­ Labour Party, and the publication of ment in this country, but we do not the recent White Paper...... and shall not allow ourselves to be defeated, if they want to make use of Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr the Communists. Let us be quite clear Speaker, Sir, on a point of clarifica­ on that fact. tion-I am much obliged to the Hon­ ourable Minister and I shall certainly Now, Sir, why are these strict security get in touch with him to organise a precautions ta-ken? To ensure security P.P.P. demonstration, if allowed. in respect of the visit of the President (Laughter). of the United States to Malaysia. These security measures are mainly Tun Dr Ismail: Let us come together, aimed against these Communists. Now, and we will try to discuss how far we Sir, the Labour Party, the Party can accommodate him. But I would Ra'ayat of Malaya, we know their like the Honourable Member to know records; we know who controls those that we will discuss with him all the 2433 26 OCTOBER 1966 2434 security precautions to be taken, and tion-does this mean that if we, the we do not want, as you sit next to P.P.P., associate with the Labour the Honourable Member for Batu, you Party we will have a black mark? to be made use of by your Labour (Laughter). friend. (Laughter). The Honourable Member may laugh but he knows for Tun Dr Ismail: Sir, the Honourable himself what is going on in his party. Member is a learned lawyer and the In fact, deep in his heart now, he other Honourable Member is a doctor, would like to do what I told him to but there is such a thing as contagion. do. (Laughter). We know the record With constant association you can get of the Communists trying to make use it and it is showing symtoms now in of the Labour Party and the Party the Honourable Member for Batu Ra`ayat, and I also know that there are himself and that is why I am trying moderates like himself in that Party. to rescue him before he gets really All we are trying to do is to try to sick. help the moderates like the Honour- Berkenaan dengan tegoran daripada able Member there, so that we can Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok, have a genuine Socialist Party in this is-itu hendak membuang perkataan country. "Singapura", Ahli Yang Berhormat Now, Sir, I come back to the itu, kalau dia telah menjalankan argument that these acts are illegal. kewajipan-nya membacha Undang2 Sir, the Police, the Commissioner, yang telah di-luluskan oleh Parlimen I.G.P., if their acts are illegal they ini, dia tentu-lah tahu dalam Malaysia can be prosecuted-they are not above dahulu perkataan "Singapura" ter- the law. What is interesting is that masok di-dalam Undang2 Polis. Jadi, they say that the Commissioner, the sekarang bila saya hendak mengada- I.G.P., Deputy I.G.P. do these illegal kan pindaan ini, jadi kita mengambil acts and in the same breath they say peluang-lah di-keluarkan perkataan that these powers are going to be "Singapura" itu. transferred from the Commissioner to Dan yang kedua di-atas tegoran atas the I.G.P. and the Deputy I.G.P.-I jawatan baharu. ini memang-lah jawa- cannot understand. If the power is tan baharu is-itu Inspector-General of vested in these two people, how can Police dan Deputy Inspector-General they be illegal when these powers are of Police. Tujuan-nya is-lah supaya passed by Parliament? I am not a memberi kuasa kapada I.G.P. itu learned member but the Honourable supaya dia boleh berkuasa terus kapada Member can always challenge the act kaki-tangan ahli2 polls di-Malaysia of the Inspector-General of Police and Timor. Pada masa yang telah lepas any policeman, or even the Minister, kita ada Commissioner of Police. in the court which he knows that he Malaya, jadi ma`ana-nya jikalau can do. So. I think I have made the I.G.P. hendak memberi satu perentah position quite clear on the question of terpaksa-lah melalui Commissioner of this boycott. The main danger in the Police, Malaya. Jadi kita fikirkan ia- Communists. We are not against the itu pekerjaan pentadbiran polls ini political parties but if for example, boleh berjalan dengan lichin jikalau you have a good record and start kita beri kuasa kapada I.G.P. dan condemning the Communists, as we D.I.G.P. berkuasa terus kapada C.P.O. have been doing here that the Com- dan lain2 pegawai polls. Dan perkara munists are trying to threaten the ini kita tentu-lah hendak meminda independence of our country, then at sa-tapak ka-setapak dan bukan-lah least we have a record that you are saya hendak melindongkan mi. not going to associate with the Com- munists. But you have not done this; Saya akan membentangkan kapada you have never condemned the Parlimen ini satu Police Bill akan Communists. datang dalam mana banyak lagi pindaan susunan polls ini akan di- Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr lakukan is-itu akan meliputi Sabah Speaker, Sir, on a point of clarifica- dan Sarawak. Chuma pada masa ini 2435 26 OCTOBER 1966 2436 kita berkehendakkan di-sini supaya this is a subject within the Federal boleh memperkemaskan lagi pekerjaan legislative list, and to the extent yang akan di-jalankan oleh polis. Itu- that existing State Development Fund lah tujuan pindaan yang di-datangkan laws prescribe financial procedure, pada hari mi. Ini chuma sadikit sahaja such laws may be regarded as void. pada pindaan yang akan di-lakukan Thus with effect from the date on supaya akan melichinkan dan mem- which this Bill becomes law, all baguskan lagi pekerjaan polis dalam States will operate their Development negeri mi. Funds in accordance with it, and all States which have their own Develop- Question put, and agreed to. ment Fund laws will have to repeal Bill accordingly read a second time them. and committed to a Committee of the Part If of the Bill sets out the whole House. procedure in regard to the Federal House resolves itself into a Com- Development Fund and Part III mittee on the Bill. applies the provisions of Part II to the Development Funds of the States to Bill considered in Committee. the extent that they relate to matters (Mr Speaker in the Chair) within the State legislative list. The provisions of the present Bill are Clauses 1 to 5 inclusive ordered to generally similar to those in the stand part of the Bill. existing Federal Development Fund Ordinance, 1958, as amended from Bill reported without amendment : time to time except that the sources of read the third time and passed. income of the Development Fund Sitting, suspended at 11.45 a.m. have been enlarged to include moneys received by the Government by way Sitting resumed at 12.15 p.m. of grants or gifts for the purposes of the Fund and also proceeds from the (Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair) sale or realisation of assests which were originally financed from the THE DEVELOPMENT FUNDS Development Fund. The purposes for BILL, 1966 which money from the Fund may be expended have also been widened to Second Reading cater for projects which are not at The Minister of Finance (Tuan Tan present permissible under the existing Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to law, such as the construction of move that a Bill intituled "An Act playing fields and investment in to amend and consolidate the law business undertakings. I shall, in fact, relating to the Development Fund of be proposing an amendment to the the Federation and to make provision Schedule to this Act in the Committee relating to financial procedure with res- stage in order to allow two more pect to the Development Funds of the classes of projects to be included for States" be read a second time. financing from the Development Fund, namely, agricultural marketing and The purpose of the Bill which is now family planning, and notice that this before the House is to consolidate and amendment has, I believe, already amend the existing law relating to the been circulated to Honourable Mem- Development Fund. The Bill also deals bers in the form of an amendment with financial procedure in order to slip. standardise the operation, management and control of the Development Funds One feature of the existing Develop- of the States. As Honourable Members ment Fund Ordinance which is not are aware, many of the States have included in the present Bill is the their own Development Fund Enact- provision for revote. As Honourable ments setting out the financial proce- Members are aware, under existing dure for their respective Development legislation, if the financial provision Funds, but it should be noted that for a particular project is not fully 2437 26 OCTOBER 1966 2438 spent by the end of the year, the provision relating to the control, mana- unspent balance may be revoted in the gement and financial procedure with ensuing year by direction of the Minis- respect to the Development Funds of ter of Finance in the case of Federal the States in Malaysia. Development Estimates, or by the Menteri Besar or Chief Minister, as the Sir, there is, however, no guarantee case may be, in the case of State that the Development Fund, under the Development Estimates, without fur- control of the Government, will be ther legislative authority. This provi- fairly distributed. I would like to sion has been deleted from the present draw the attention of this Houso to the Bill as it is not considered to be in great dissatisfaction by the Dayaks in conformity with the concept of Sarawak by the turning down of the "annuality" on which Government request made by the Dayak com- expenditure has hitherto been based. munity for assistance to build the The revote procedure could also lead Rumah Dayaks in Kuching, the State to loss of financial control by the Capital, The President of the Dayak Legislature as large sums of money can Union has approached the Tunku be revoted without the Legislature being himself during his visit to Sarawak, made aware of it and the current when he went there to lay the founda- year's estimates can become unreliable tion of the Masjid Besar in Kuching. as a result. The Contingencies Reserve Mr Speaker, Sir, I have been informed provision under Clause 6 can be used by the President of the Sarawak Dayak if it becomes necessary to provide Union that he had approached the funds speedily for any particular Honourable Prime Minister himself project. during his visit to Sarawak asking him whether this Union could get any The existing Development Fund financial assistance from the Federal Ordinance, 1958, makes no provision Government for building a head- for interim or provisional estimates in quarters in Kuching, the State Capital, case the main estimates have not been as I have said. According to the approved by the Dewan Ra`ayat at the information I got from this Union, the commencement of the financial year Honourable Prime Minister explained as will be the case in respect of the to this President concerned that he 1967 Development Estimates. To cater would assist this Union to build its for this eventuality, a provision has building together with a Swimming been included in Clause 4 (5) to enable Pool if the building could be shared by the Government to present provisional or natives. Are estimates pending the passing of the all sorts of bumi putras main estimates. Dayaks not bumi putras? "Natives" in Malaya applies to the Malays particu- This Bill has been referred to the larly, whereas "natives" in Sarawak States and to the National Finance applies to all indigenous races in the Council and they have given their State. No one can deny that these blessing to the Bill, except on the races are having different cultures ... . question of the revote provision which some States have felt should be Tuan Tan Slew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, retained, but for reasons already I do not think the Honourable Mem- explained, the Federal Government ber is strictly in order in bringing up does not consider this desirable. this matter. This paricular project could be referred to in a debate on the Sir, I beg to move. Development Estimates, but not on this Bill, in my submission. The Minister of Transport (Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Sir, I beg Mr (Deputy) Speaker: We are now to second the motion. debating the Development Fund Tuan Edmund Langgu anak Saga (Amendment) Bill, and as mentioned (Sarawak): Mr Speaker, Sir, this Bill by the Minister of Finance just now, sets out to establish the Development you can bring up this matter when we Fund on a proper basis and make debate the Development Estimate. 2439 26 OCTOBER 1966 2440

Tuan Edmund Langgu anak Saga: out large sums of money on an ad hoc In that case, I shall deliver my speech basis wherever they go when there is when that comes up. an appeal made to them. State Minis- ters also have the same habit of Tuan Ong Kee Hui (Sarawak): Mr going round the country and making Speaker, Sir, first of all, I think when ad hoc donations or in agreeing to the Honourable Minister of Finance certain requests on an ad hoc basis. pulled up my friend from Sarawak, I I wonder how this particular Bill feel that he should have been given would affect this aspect of expenditure the opportunity. The Honourable from the Development Fund. Obvious- Minister of Finance said we are not ly, it could make nonsense of control, supposed to debate this matter as we and this House has been asked from are now debating the Development time to time to vote various sums of Fund because that could take place at money and if Ministers are in a the Budget Session. However, this is a position to expend sums of money in matter of some urgency, and that is this manner, obviously control by the why the Honourable Member from House is very much nullified and I Sarawak has brought this up at this hope therefore the Honourable Minis- stage. ter of Finance will explain to us how he proposes to curb this habit of the Anyway, in regard to this particular Ministers, whether Federal or State Bill, Sir, if I understand the Honour- Ministers, of behaving in the manner able Minister of Finance correctly, it of a "Father Christmas" making dona- seeks to consolidate all the laws tions here and there out of the relating to the Development Fund of development funds. the Federation and would, therefore, incorporate in it control of the State These are the two main points I Funds. I wonder how this reconciles have on this particular Bill, and I with the very special position enjoyed would appreciate clarification from the by the Borneo States with regard to the Honourable Minister of Finance on control of their finance and develop- these two points. ment funds. Perhaps, he would clarify Tuan Stephen Yong Kuet Tze (Sara- this. I was in the lobby when he made wak): Mr Speaker, Sir, I hope very his introductory speech and so I may much that this Bill would, firstly, not not have heard him correctly. If that operate against the letter of the Inter- is the position, obviously it would Governmental Committee Report with create quite a lot of furore in the regard to the control of development Borneo States because this is some- thing on which they feel strongly funds of the States of Sarawak and about-control on development and Sabah, and, secondly, that it would finance. remove some of the very obvious shortcomings to be found. Complaints The other important point is that have been made before of the lack of this Bill seeks to consolidate the development funds to the States of laws relating to the Development Fund Sarawak and Sabah, but the Honour- of the Federation and, as stated in the able Minister of Finance has told the Objects and Reasons of the Bill, .. House several times that in fact funds makes provision relating to the control, were made available. That might be management and financial procedure so, Sir, but the complaint was not so with respect to Development Funds of much of funds not being made avail- the States in Malaysia ." If that is so, able but not being made available at it is something we would on this side the right time. We know that in any of of the House , perhaps, welcome the projects, a scheme has to be because we have from time to time worked out, and I have been told that brought up in this House our concern sometimes the funds were not made over the fact that Ministers when they available at the time required, and are travelling in or visiting various sometimes the funds came too late, States in Malaysia, Federal Ministers, with the result that the scheme has to for instance , have the habit of giving be shelved for a time, resulting in loss 2441 26 OCTOBER 1966 2442 of efficiency and also of some wastage. would like to cite two possible Now, if this Bill would remedy those instances-I said two possible instances defects, I would welcome it but , again, on the basis that these instances have I would not know whether the Bill been raised by the Opposition in the would , in fact, achieve that end. State Assembly in Penang but the State Government in Penang being a The other matter which I would like complete stooge to the Central Govern- to bring to the notice of the Minister ment and in complete compliance to is whether this Bill would also achieve the Central Government has got no the purpose of really placing the pro- policy of its own development. Sir, for per priority on the development pro- example, this long talk of the Penang jects in these States. My Honourable Hill Road is a development project on-the- colleague has mentioned about which, properly speaking, should be I think I spot donations being made. considered , and this House has been am right in saying that these on-the- told so, as a State development project. spot donations can never fit in with I agree with the Honourable Minister the list of priority which has been of Finance that the legislation, as to worked out, and although politically it how such a development project may be a very good thing for the and the funds associated with that Government, I do not think it would development project should be con- be the right thing , where public funds solidated in a manner similar to that you do not really are concerned , when of the Central Government, is a good adhere to the list of priority of projects. thing. However, will this allow for the We know now that our development flexibility of the State Government to funds are limited and , therefore, the proceed on a development, which is Government must make use of it in the essential to the State on a basis, which best way possible and here , I think this is not directly under the provisions of practice must stop-as my Honourable the Consolidated Fund. colleague has said, the Ministers prone Another project, Sir, which is of to doing so be curbed in their propen- fairly great importance, I think, to the sity of giving away public funds. State of Penang is the question of the These are matters in respect of which reclamation of the foreshore. The we would like to have explanations reclamation project, Sir ... . and an assurance from the Minister that this Bill would remedy the defects Tuan Tan Siew Sin : Mr Speaker, Sir, which I have mentioned. I would like to impress upon Honour- able Members opposite that this is not Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, a debate on the Development Esti- if I understand the Bill correctly, the mates, and so I do not think Honour- purpose is to consolidate the legislative able Members opposite are in order to procedure and management of these bring up projects. funds, so that the Central legislation and the State legislation will, in so far Dr Lim Chong Eu: Sir, I com- as possible, coincide. However, Sir, 1 pletely understand that fact . I am only would like clearly to ask the Honour- citing these two examples not on a able Minister of Finance for clarifica- question of bringing up a question of tion over a statement , I think, which project, but I am citing these projects he himself made during the debate in that they are not likely to come in over the Five-Year Malaysia Plan, and under a Central Government project, that is to say whilst development, the or the Central Government Develop- initiative for development , must come ment Fund , in which case the State centrally , the Central Government also might want to conceivably develop would like to see development initiated along lines which are slightly indepen- by the States themselves. Sir, there may dent, autonomous, of the Central be instances where State development Government, in which case we all may proceed slightly off tangent from hope that the State legislation of that of the Central Government the funds will follow the Con- Development Plan, and, if I may, I solidated Fund Bill provisions. 2443 26 OCTOBER 1966 2444

However, will the Consolidated Fund Ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bukan Bill provisions allow flexibility where- bererti soya bimbang di-negeri Kelan- by the State can initiate autonomous, tan ini akan tersekat, pada masa ini independent, development, which is pun tidak ada apa2 sekatan, tetapi important to the State but may not be dengan procedure yang baharu ini considered important to the Central boleh jadi chara2 pembayaran itu akan Government-and such projects, as I melibatkan sa-tengah2 peratoran yang explained, one was the Hill Road and baharu ini boleh menyekat sa-chara the other is the reclamation of the tidak langsong (indirectly) kapada foreshore reclamation in Penang. The pembangunan2 yang hendak di-buat foreshore reclamation, Sir, has got oleh negeri itu sa-bagai satu badan three aspects which concerned the yang autonomous. Ini, Tuan Yang di- Central Government a great deal: one Pertua, bukan sahaja merugikan negeri is the question of the possible exten- itu sendiri tetapi merugikan Kerajaan sion of The Customs Area in Penang Pusat juga. Sebab Kerajaan Pusat Island, about which we will have more tentu-lah suka melihat tiap2 negeri itu brushes later on in this House; the dapat menchari, menambah kewangan- second is the question of the provision nya pada tiap2 tahun dan juga dapat for potential industrial development melakukan perojek2 pembangunan-nya sites in the Island of Penang in sendiri. Dan dengan yang demikian exchange for our loss of our free port dapat mengurangkan bebanan Kera- status; and the third is the question of jaan Federal dan tidak banyak kita development of new housing along the mengambil wang fund federal sendiri. foreshore of the State of Penang. Such Tetapi dengan chara kita menyerahkan projects, Sir, would concern the State kuasa ini kapada Menteri Kewangan far more than the Central Government, yang membuat segala peratoran- in which case the State on its own arrangement-bagitu bagini, saya tidak initiative must find means of creating fikir yang Menteri kita, walau bagai- development funds in the State for mana dia ikhlas sa-kali pun, saya tidak projects which may not be in accor- fikir dia dapat control pegawai2 yang dance, or find priority, with the Central di-bawah-nya daripada menyalahguna- Government. Under these conditions, kan peratoran2 yang umum di-dalam will the legislation permit of a flex- Bill mi. ibility, whereby the State control of its own development funds will not be Ini sudah berlaku, Tuan Yang di- contrary to the provisions of this Con- Pertua, kalau sa-bagaimana benar apa solidated Bill. This is the clarification yang di-katakan oleh Ahli Yang Ber- which I seek from the Honourable hormat daripada Tanjong itu kalau di- Minister of Finance. Pulau Pinang sendiri boleh berlaku perkara ini, saya fikir di-negeri Kelantan Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: pun akan boleh berlaku juga sebab Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga merasa berlaku-nya di-Pulau Pinang itu lebeh bimbang dalam Rang Undang2 ini sa- rengan lagi kerana Pulau Pinang itu di- bagaimana perasaan bimbang telah di- kontrol oleh Alliance sendiri. Ini bayangkan oleh Yang Berhormat Ahli sudah ada bokti2-nya. daripada Tanjong. Meski pun kita faham bahawa tujuan yang nyata di- Memang benar bahawa perojek dalam Kenyataan Penerangan Rang development ini patut-lah kita men- Undang2 ini is-lah hendak menyatukan dapat arahan daripada Federal, tetapi procedure kewangan (fund) bagi sa-bagaimana juga alasan-nya yang di- Development atau pun Pembangunan kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi negeri2 mengikut saloran Federal, daripada Tanjong tali is-itu tiap2 tetapi ada satu perkara yang kita negeri dia mempunyai kepentingan-nya patut ingat is-itu Negeri (State) patut- sendiri, dia memandang keadaan2 di- lah di-beri kebebasan yang lebeh luas negeri2-nya sendiri bukan sahaja sa- untok menjalankan perojek2 pemba- kadar hendak berlawan dengan negeri ngunan (development project)-nya sen- lain atau pun dengan Federal, tetapi diri. dia memandang perojek2 itu boleh 2445 26 OCTOBER 1966 2446 menambah kemasokan kewangan-nya di-antara Menteri Besar, Johor, dengan dan dengan demikian tidak-lah selalu Menteri Kewangan kita sa-hingga dia meminta2 daripada Menteri Ke- Menteri Besar, Johor, di-katakan dalam wangan duit tambahan dalam tiap2 surat khabar sudah menudoh Kerajaan tahun. Federal mengambil segala Fund negeri itu kesemua-nya dan meminta balek Itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kesemua- pula duit itu dan menegah segala nya ini kita serahkan kapada Menteri perojek2 yang hendak berjalan. Kewangan, dan Menteri Kewangan membuat peratoran2 memberi bantuan Saya tidak tahu-lah perojek rumah atau pun di-beri grant kapada State yang besar yang masok di-dalam membuat development, tetapi masa- Utusan Melayu itu development-kah alah-nya bukan masaalah procedure atau pun Menteri kita sokong itu, saya Kewangan tetapi masaalah develop- tidak tahu, tetapi itu-lah perkara yang ment itu sendiri yang akan terlibat-nya sudah berlaku dan saya rasa Menteri is-lah perojek2 development itu sen- kita patut-lah memberi penerangan diri, bukan masaalah procedure-nya- kapada Dewan ini supaya Bill ini procedure itu sa-mata2 kita hendak tidak-lah jadi was2 kapada pehak2 yang menjaga kewangan supaya jangan kita hendak berchakap di-dalam Dewan mi. belanja boros atau pun jangan di-salah gunakan perbelanjaan itu, itu tidak-lah Tuan Tan Slew Sin ; Mr Speaker, Sir, besar di-dalam masaalah development it is a pity that Honourable Members fund ini, tetapi yang besar-nya is-lah opposite love to speak on a matter procedure ini akan memberi kesan even when they are completely empty- kapada perojek2 development yang headed and without even bothering to akan di-jalankan oleh negeri2 itu sen- do their home work to repair the diri, dan di-dalam ini kita tidak defect. I can forgive them for the first nampak satu fasal atau pun satu omission because, obviously, it is not Clause sa-kali pun yang menunjokkan their fault, but at least they could try bahawa negeri itu di-galakkan menga- to repair the omission by studying the dakan perojek-nya sendiri. Apa yang legislation before speaking on it. If all ada is-lah satu table atau satu senarai the Honourable Members opposite kerja2 urusan development yang akan who have spoken, had taken the trou- terlibat di-dalam development Federal. ble to read Part III of the Bill care- fully, and study at the same time also Jadi, saya rasa, Tuan Yang di- the second Schedule to the Bill, they Pertua, sa-lagi Kerajaan Pusat tidak will have discovered for themselves, dapat menunjokkan di-dalam Rang without going into that long rigmarole, Undang2 ini apa-kah perojek2 yang that there is no question here that the sa-patut-nya dapat di-lakukan oleh Federal Government is controlling negeri itu sendiri dengan tidak di-sekat State money. All that this Bill seeks to oleh Federal, saya rasa amat-lah do is to lay down the procedure for sempit untok negeri itu hendak mela- the spending of Federal money. The kukan development kerana kalau kita States can do what they like, provided tengok di-sini is-itu di-dalam Clause they have got the money, but obviously 14 kita dapati daripada A sampai it is only right that Federal money kapada U-nya, kalau di-tambah sadikit should be under Federal control. It is lagi terus balek Z boleh pergi, kita as simple as that. nampak semua-nya ini perkara2 yang kita puji patut di-lakukan oleh Federal I should also add that this Bill has tetapi habis di-rintis-nya tidak banyak been before the National Finance yang tinggal kapada State. Jadi, sa- Council. As I stated in my speech olah2 State itu tidak boleh menjalan- when introducing this Bill, it has been kan development-nya sendiri walau approved by the National Finance pun Kerajaan Negeri ikhlas hendak Council, which consists of the Men- tolong Kerajaan Federal di-situ. Agak- teri2 Besar and Chief Ministers of all nya ini-lah akibat-nya pergadohan di- the States with their financial advisers. antara apa yang di-katakan pergado- Apart from the deletion of the provi- han--what has been said-pergadohan sion regarding re-votes, in so far as 2447 26 OCTOBER 1966 2448

that point is concerned, a number of Question put, and agreed to. State Governments have felt that this should be retained but, as I have Bill accordingly read a second time explained, the Federal Government and committed to a Committee of the does not consider this desirable. Apart whole House. from that rather minor provisions, this House immediately resolved itself Bill as a whole has been approved by into a Committee on the Bill. the State Governments. One or two Honourable Members referred to the Bill considered in Committee. need to curb on-the-spot grants, which (Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair) they allege have been made by my colleagues both at Federal and State Clauses 1 to 14 inclusive ordered to levels; I think "on-the-sport grant" is stand part of the Bill. not a correct description of such grants, because these grants had all First Schedule. been processed and carefully con- Tuan Tan Siew Sin : Mr Chairman, Sir, sidered, and before the announcements I would like to propose an amendment were made we were satisfied that there to paragraph 1 of the First Schedule. was good reason to make those grants. The amendment has already been Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: circulated to Honourable Members and Untok penjelasan, is-itu pehak Pem- reads as follows : bangkang sudah membacha Part III In the First Schedule to the above ini dan bagitu juga Schedule yang Bill insert the following immediately kedua itu, dan dapat tahu juga bahawa after sub-paragraph (u) of paragraph Bill ini pernah di-binchangkan di- 1- dalam Finance Council. Tetapi yang menjadi masaalah di-sini bukan-lah "(v) agricultural marketing; masaalah procedure kewangan itu- (w) family planning". masaalah perkara2 yang hendak ter- Amendment put, and agreed to. libat berkenaan dengan development itu sendiri; dua tiga kali tali saya First Schedule. as amended, ordered sudah stress Benda itu, bukan ber- to stand part of the Bill. kenaan dengan procedure itu. Walau pun kita katakan kita menerusi Men- Second Schedule ordered to stand teri Besar sa-bagaimana di-dalam part of the Bill. Schedule yang kedua, tetapi itu sa- Third Schedule ordered to stand part mata2 berkenaan dengan procedure of the Bill. kewangan. Bill reported with amendment : read Berkenaan dengan development ini, a third time and passed. apa yang di-sebutkan grant on the spot ini, itu satu chara development yang THE CURRENCY LAWS memberi kesan kapada development (AMENDMENT) BILL, 1966 ini dan Menteri sendiri pun mengata- kan kerja yang sa-macham itu me- Second Reading muaskan Kati dan ta`rif itu tidak betul Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, bagitu. Jadi itu-lah chara2 yang boleh I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an di-lakukan yang Menteri ini akan Act to amend the Currency Act, 1960, membenarkan pegawai2 yang di-bawah- of the States of Malaya and the nya hendak melakukan. itu yang saya Currency Ordinance, 1960, of Sabah minta penjelasan tali. and Sarawak be read a second time. Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, As Honourable Members are aware, I do not think the Honourable Mem- under the terms of the Currency ber, who has just spoken, understands Agreement, 1960, entered into by the the meaning of this Bill. This Bill Governments of the then Federation of deals entirely with procedure and not Malaya, Singapore, Sabah, Sarawak, with the allocation of funds. and Brunei the authority to issue 2449 26 OCTOBER 1966 2450 currencies is vested in the Board of The Assistant Minister of Finance Commissioners of Currency. In pre- (Dr Ng Kam Poh): Sir, I beg to second paration for the assumption by Bank the motion. Negara of currency issuing functions in Malaysia, the Government with the Tuan Ha ji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: approval of this House lodged notice Pada pendapat saya, Rang Undang2 on 12th December, 1964, of its ini tidak-lah mustahak sangat di- intention to replace the Currency bahathkan kerana tidak ada perkara Board by Bank Negara Malaysia as baharu sa-kadarkan sa-mata2 hendak our currency issuing authority, in meminta kebenaran daripada Rumah accordance with the provisions of mi. Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Clause 17 (1) of the Currency Agree- Menteri kita tidak-lah menerangkan ment, 1960. This notice of replacement dengan memuaskan mengapa yang kita became effective eighteen months after hendak menambah lagi sa-tengah it had been lodged with the Currency tahun itu; sa-patut-nya walau pun Board, i.e., on 12th June, 1966, when enam bulan ka-hadapan kita hendak it was originally thought that Bank tambahkan boleh jadi dari segi teknik Negara would be in a position to issue dia itu, tetapi patut-lah di-terangkan. Malaysian currency. Sa-mata2 di-sini menyebutkan hendak tambah lagi masa itu supaya Board As Honourable Members are also of Currency boleh menyambongkan aware, events leading to the separation lagi. Ada-kah sebab2 Bank Negara kita of Singapore made it impossible for tidak selesai lagi kerja2-nya patut this target date to be achieved. There mengambil aleh perkara ini dengan is provision in the Currency Agree- chepat? ment, however, for the Currency Board to continue to issue currency, after the Dr Ng Kam Poh : Tuan Yang di- expiry of the eighteen months' notice Pertua, untok penjelasan-Ahli Yang of replacement, for a further period of Berhormat daripada Bachok jikalau six months, i.e., up to 12th December, dia ada mendengar uchapan Menteri 1966, with the agreement of the Kewangan, beliau ada berkata oleh participating Governments under sebab Agreement ini di-antara Singa- Clause 18 (a) of the Currency Agree- pura, Borneo dan Malaysia boleh di- ment. Owing to the recent negotiations tamatkan pada bulan Disember oleh with Singapore over a common cur- sebab itu kita meminta agreement lain rency, all the participating Govern- yang boleh menjadikan enam bulan ments have agreed that Clause 18 (a) lebeh. of the Currency Agreement should be amended to allow the Currency Board Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: to continue to issue currency in Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau sa- Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei for kira-nya boleh di-tamatkan bagitu. an additional period of six months saya tidak fikir sebab2 boleh di-tamat- after 12th December, 1966, which kan, kalau tidak selesai boleh di- means that the Currency Board will sambongkan lagi. Jadi erti-nya, kalau continue to issue currency until 12th sa-kira-nya betul benda itu boleti di- June, 1967. Bank Negara Malaysia will. selesaikan ..... assume currency issuing functions for Malaysia after that date. Dr Ng Kam Poh: Tuan Yang di- Pertua, itu sudah selesai-agreement The Bill before this House accord- sudah di-buat dengan Brunei. Singa- ingly seeks to give legal effect to the pura dan Malaysia. agreement already reached between Malaysia, Singapore, and Brunei for Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: the Currency Board to continue its Selesai-itu-lah yang saya hendak tahu currency issuing functions for a further apa mustahak-nya yang hendak di- period of six months after 12th sambong enam bulan itu lagi; apa December, 1966. mustahak-nya; itu yang saya tanya, Sir, I beg to move. sadiklt sangat. 2451 26 OCTOBER 1966 2452

Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, listed and are presently limited to the Honourable Member who spoke intoxicating liquor, tobacco, petroleum last, I think, refuses to understand. I and motor vehicle tyres and tubes as have tried to explain, not only on this set out in section 143 (a) of the occasion but on previous occasions, Ordinance. An amendment to the that we have had to extend the Ordinance is thus required on every currency issuing functions of the occasion that it is found necessary to Currency Board to June, 1967, in order add to this list either for revenue or to allow us time to negotiate with protective purposes. Singapore, in view of the fact that it Honourable Members will be aware takes a year, or very nearly a year, to that such a procedure is both tedious get the notes ready, and that is why and cumbersome as speed and secrecy we have had this period of about a are essential where the imposition of year, otherwise I agree we could have customs duties is concerned, if there issued currency by the 12th December, is not to be widespread evasion. This 1966. important consideration applies equally to Penang as it does to all other Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: customs areas in Malaysia. Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Jadi benda itu tidak selesai lagi-lah. In these circumstances, it is consi- dered prudent and desirable that the Question put, and agreed to. Customs Ordinance, 1952, should be Bill accordingly read a second time amended vis-a-vis its application to and committed to a Committee of the Penang so as to enable the Minister of whole House. Finance to fix customs duties on any other goods which may from time to House immediately resolves into a time be specified by order published Committee on the Bill. in the Gazette. Bill considered in Committee. In seeking to adopt this procedure, the Government is doing no more than (Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair) to follow the procedure applicable to Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand other customs areas. Honourable part of the Bill. Members will note that under section 10 (1) of the Customs Ordinance, 1952, Bill reported without amendment : enabling powers already exist whereby read the third time and passed. the Minister of Finance may, by order published in the Mr (Deputy) Speaker : The House Gazette, fix the is adjourned till 4 p.m. customs duties to be levied on any goods imported into, or exported from Sitting suspended at 1 p.m. West Malaysia. In short, once the proposed amendments to the Customs Sitting resumed at 4 p.m. Ordinance, 1952, have been effected by the Bill before this House, it will be (Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair) possible for the same administrative procedure to be followed in respect of THE CUSTOMS (AMENDMENT) Penang, as for the other Principal BILL Customs Areas where the imposition Third Reading of customs duties is concerned. Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, I should like to stress that these I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an proposed amendments are designed to Act to amend the Customs Ordinance, provide the Minister of Finance with 1952" be now read a second time. enabling powers to fix such customs duties on Penang Island expeditiously Under the existing provisions of the should the need arise. It does not mean Customs Ordinance, 1952, the goods that the present free port status of that attract import duty when imported Penang Island is ipso facto abolished into Penang Island are specifically by the proposed amendments to the 2453 26 OCTOBER 1966 2454

Ordinance. I should also mention that Penang, and not to the State of Penang the Chief Minister of Penang is aware because, as everyone knows, that part that this Bill is being presented to of Penang, which is outside the port Parliament. area of Penang, is at present within the Principal Customs Area and is Sir, I beg to move. already paying all the import duties which the rest of mainland Malaysia Tan Sri Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir: is paying today. So, Sir, the contention Sir, I beg to second the motion. of the question of the free port status of Penang is a matter concerning the Dr Lim Chong Eu: Mr Speaker, Sir, people living in Penang State as a this morning, when I asked the whole and, naturally, in particular the Honourable Prime Minister a question people living in Penang Island, because over the free port status of Penang, the problem that is posed is whether the Honourable Prime Minister replied the whole of Penang island, as it is in a very long and circuitous manner, today, should remain a free port, or referring in fact to this particular Bill, in fact a short-listed port, or in fact, which has just been moved by the whether the Government shall at some Honourable Minister of Finance. It is later date impose a Customs Area on quite clear, Sir, that there is a very the Island of Penang to delimit the direct relationship between this Bill to area of the free port. amend the Customs Ordinance of 1952 and the free port status of Penang Island. Sir, it is well understood both by the people living in Penang as well Sir, in moving this Bill, the Honour- as the Central Government that ever able Minister of Finance has said very since the formation of the Federation succinctly that the passage of this Bill of Malaya, which preceded the for- through this House does not ipso facto mation of Malaysia, the rights of take away the free port status of the people living in the Island of Penang. However, Sir, he himself, I Penang should be respected with am sure, quite appreciates the fact regard to the rights which they have that de jure it places the free port enjoyed from the time that Penang status of Penang well within thy, was ettahlished. and that the free port powers of his almighty pen-the pen status of Penang Island should remain. which he referred to during his As a matter of fact, Sir, there never elections campaign. was any concrete suggestion put for- ward to solve the problem of the Sir, I would like this House to incorporation of Penang Island into understand that even the framing of the Principal Customs Area, or the this Bill refers to many anachronisms delimitation of a small Customs Area and refers to many factors which may within the Penang Island; and the not be clear to the Members of this matter became a matter of political House, nor in fact will it be clear to importance which led to the Honour- the rest of the citizens in Malaysia. able Prime Minister himself declaring Sir, the Port of Penang, or the free that the free port status of the Penang port of Penang which is of such Island would not be removed or importance to the people living in changed, without consulting the wishes Penang Island, is in actual fact of the people of Penang. Today we contained within an area which now heard, earlier this morning, the Ho- consists of Penang Island and an area nourable Prime Minister suggesting which is now demarcated on the main- that consultation of the wishes of the land-Province Wellesley-as the people of Penang means consulting the Customs Area. Penang State Government. Thi f actor is again re-affirmed during the peech Sir, I believe that even the term of the Minister of Finance, namely, contained in Clause 2, referring to that the decision of Government to section 143 (1) (a) in fact, refers to move this Bill today is with the know- Penang Island, or to the port area of ledge of the Chief Minister of Penang. 2455 26 OCTOBER 1966 2456

Sir, these facts are very important to ment absorbs through the port of the people of Penang, and I would like Penang, how much revenue the Central to indicate just how important and Government takes in, via the port of how strongly we feel over this matter. Penang, neither the Central Govern- ment, nor the State Government, has Sir, as we all know, the Federation ever been able to tell us in actual consists of a voluntary aggregation of terms. How much the Central Govern- sovereign States. The powers of the ment takes from the State, particularly Federal Government exist only in so from the Island of Penang, in terms long as the various sovereign States of revenue, income tax and otherwise, agree to abide to the giving to the is also a measure which has never Federal Government certain powers. been computed satisfactorily to the We have seen, during the course of the last year in particular, that the Central State of Penang by the State Government has, by amendments to Government. the Constitution by retrospective legis- lation and other legislations, increas- In view of the fact that the Island ingly arrogated more and more powers is so small and there has been in the to itself at the expense of the States course of the 150 years or so, an and at the expense of the people in increasing growth of population in the States. Sir, this is a situation which Penang-we now have about 350,000 naturally creates increased tension souls living in the Island of Penang- between the people living within the there is naturally a very great concern States and the people controlling the over this question of the freeport Federal Government. It is sure that status of Penang, or over the question this nation (Malaysia) since its growth of the development of the port of inculcates amongst the people in all Penang and the future of the port of the various constituent States the Penang. It is because of this emotional concept of nationhood, but it is also local State feeling, it is because of the true that by tradition large numbers uncertainty which has prevailed over of citizens of the various States have how this question of the free port a very strong affinity and a very strong status of Penang is to be resolved, it local loyalty to their States. This State is because the people of Penang in loyalty in the case of the Federation their striving towards economic devel- of Malaysia carries with it unique opment, that they realise that the implications, because above the two- Central Government must really put House Legislature, we have also a in more efforts into the State develop- Council of Rulers, and we still have ment, particularly Penang Island written into the Constitution the rights development-and here I would like and positions of the Rulers of the to refer to what the Honourable Prime various States. So, State loyalty is not Minister now rightfully says, "You a matter which can be easily dismissed. will soon be getting a University College" : talks have been going on In the case of Penang, State loyalties for five years and, I think, for the are very, very great. In the case of next five years, we will still not see a Penang, too, the attitude towards the University College. At one time, Sir, Central Government, ever since the we were told about a tunnel, then we formation of Malaysia, has been one were told about a bridge : all these which has been recently described very cock-and-bull stories have emanated succinctly by the Mentri Besar of from prominent persons in the Alliance Johore : namely, the State's economy Government, so much so that the is increasingly being absorbed by the people of Penang simply do not trust Central Government to the extent that and do not believe whatever promises the State Government is no longer the Central Government makes with able t administer to its own needs. regard to development, potential Sir, Penang is a small State and Penang future development, in the State of Island itself is so small and we have Penang and particularly in the Island no other means of revenue except the of Penang. It is with these three under- port. How much the Central Govern- lying factors I say that the feeling of 2457 26 OCTOBER 1966 2458 the people in the Island of Penang not even the richer of the "have-not" and in particular the people living States. It is definitely one of the really within my constituency, which covers "have been done in" States, and this the port area of Penang itself, is very, Customs Bill is another of the Bills, very high against the implementation another of the methods, whereby the of this Bill. trust and the faith of the people in the Island of Penang and in the State of Sir, rightly or wrongly, whether it Penang will become less towards the is a fact that the Minister of Finance Central Government. will exercise the powers that are given to him with the usual care and caution Sir, I say that the repercussion to the that he normally does, or whether he passage of this Customs (Amendment) does it in a more arrogant manner as Bill is a very major one. The Honour- one would expect during election able Minister has indicated that, campaigns, when he goes in and tries although it has specific reference to to browbeat those who oppose him Penang, the Principal Ordinance itself and haggle him, whether he tries at in actual fact carries implications for the stroke of a pen to do away with the rest of Malaysia. I ask the the free port status of the Island of Honourable Members representing Penang, all these remain to be seen. their constituents in the other States in All that I can say, Sir, is that no Malaysia to appreciate the fact that the matter how you write this Bill-at economy of the Federation, the wealth this present moment, in spite of the of the Federation, the revenue of the fact that the Chief Minister of Penang Federation, which the Minister of is aware that this Bill is going Finance so blithely dispenses, and through, in spite of the fact that the sometimes cynically and sarcastically Chief Minister is aware and presumably towards the Opposition, tries to control his Executive Council is also aware, and curb is there only because the Sir-I say that the passage of this Bill States have contributed that amount of will not be welcomed by the people money to the coffers of the Federal in the Island of Penang. I say, Sir, that Government; and if the Federal there will be very strong opposition to Government finds, as in this particular this Bill, there will be very great case, that it must put its fingers into suspicion that this Bill means the de the till now to take more from the jure abrogation of the free port status Island of Penang, I ask the rest of the of the Island of Penang and that this States, who have not got ports as yet, Bill, in fact, will limit whatever to be sympathetic to us, because one possibility the Island of Penang may day the Government will go to you have in its bargaining with the Central and put its fingers into your tin tax, Government for a better development into your State reserve tax, forest tax, prospect in the future. At the present in order to get more money for the moment they have nothing and this Federation. Bill confirms in its final act that the joining of the State of Penang with the Sir, I ask the Honourable Members rest of the Federation has meant that of the House seriously to consider the the Central Government has steadily sentiments that are involved in the put its hands into the State of Penang, passage of this Bill and, in so doing, which at one time was classified as one I would like to end up by just saying of the "have" States, and made it this. All these years the Minister of into its present state as one of the Finance has been able to well control definitely "have-not" States. the situation in Penang. This question of smuggling too in the State of Sir, the Honourable Minister of Penang has been sometimes brushed Finance in his tour abroad created this lightly aside by him. I remember my wonderful concept of Malaysia being Honourable friend, sitting opposite me, the richest of the poorest developing from Penang Utara, sometimes refer- countries. Penang at one time was ring to the inland revenue problem in envied, rightly or wrongly, as one of the Island of Penang, and we were the richer "have" States. Today, it is assured byr the Central Government 2459 26 OCTOBER 1966 2460

that enough equipment, enough blessings for the approval of this Bill? people, enough manpower, enough For years, the Chief Minister of know-how, are there to control the Penang has made certain statements smuggling in the Island of Penang. which are in conflict with the statement We were told during various debates of the Minister of Finance. Therefore, that the major area of smuggling and if the Chief Minister and the Govern- the largest loss from smuggling comes ment of the State of Penang have not from the Straits of Penang but up agreed to the passing of this Bill and in the borders of Thailand and handing over the powers to the Minis- ourselves. Therefore, Sir, if the Central ter of Finance, that will be another Government, . or the Minister of side of the question and will be Finance has up to now-from 1952 to between the State Government and the this date, in the last fourteen to fifteen Central Government. Sir, what I wish years-been able effectively to achieve to stress is that Penang Island was what he wants to do with regardv to the assured that is would not precipita- free port of Penang Island, I do not tedly be forced to join the Malaysian understand. why at this time, just now, Customs Union, whenever it comes he should choose so to exercise his into actual operation in the near future right • to move this Bill. and until the people themselves ask for entry. Perhaps, the term "in the Sir, I would ask the Honourable near future has been interpreted as Minister of Finance to give an assu- from today and upon the passing of rance that with the passage of this Bill, this Bill. which I am sure all the wayang kulit Members will support, he will in all Sir, we have quite often heard that honesty and in all sincerity exercise the Honourable Minister of Finance the powers that are now conferred and the Honourable Minister of upon luim in the spirit, which he has Commerce and Industry speaking; on maintained in his speech when intro- harmonization of industrialisation, ducing this Bill. Otherwise, Sir, the harmonization of Customs Union and repercussions politically and . emotion- harmonization of progress. But as ally in the State of Penang will be years go on, in spite of the promises, such that unless immediate economic as I said in Parliament, there was a benefits come from the Minister of pattern of restrictions-by the imposi- Commerce and Industry, who is sitting tion of certain measures-and a behind him, the State. of Penang may pattern of the strangulation of Penang well find itself in strong opposition State, and forcing and dividing the against the Central Government. feelings of the residents of Penang Island, making the traders and Tuan Geh Chong Keat (Penang businessmen change their views when- Utara ): Mr Speaker, Sir, it is very ever they come along to ask through difficult for me as a Member of the the Ministers, or sometimes through Alliance, sitting on the governing me, for the release or for special condi- Party's side, to speak and express my tions for exemption of goods with personal opinion and the opinion of certificate of origin indicating that the public against this Bill. However, those goods are being made in knowing the Minister of Finance as I Penang-in spite of the fact that those know him (Laughter) for all these goods and the raw materials of those seven years, I have to request for his goods when imported into the main- patience. land are actually exempted from Sir, when this Bill was introduced by customs duty. the Honourable Minister of Finance, he mentioned that he had made the Sir, the Minister of Finance spoke Chief Minister aware of this Bill. What on the problems of collecting duties. I am in doubt is this: have the Chief Sir, collecting duties is one thing and Minister of Penang, in particular, and moral obligation is another. If it is the Members of the Executive Council because of collecting revenue to for- of the State of Penang given their sake the promise, then there is a big 2461 26 OCTOBER 1966 2462 gap between these two issues. How- Now, with our national planning and ever, Sir, the people of Penang have design if Penang is to serve as a indicated in no uncertain terms that tourist centre of attraction to the Penang's free port status must not be Malaysian soil, it is a case which the abandoned to conform to any changes Treasury and the Honourable Minister and revisions, which Singapore had of Finance must think in terms, not of deemed fit to agree in facilitating the the duties collected or to be collected, implementation of the merger of but of progress of the State as a whole. Malaysia: in other words, Singapore The free port status has been in had something to bargain and she existence not for sentimental reasons hoped to gain from that bargain, but for reasons based on an economic whereas in the case of Penang it was practice. Penang is ideally sited and thrown in as part of the bargain has been an entreport trade centre to without any advantages to the party serve the hinterland, and I am sure it concerned. I have previously stated in will continue to serve the hinterland Parliament that whatever arrangements for years to come, the pattern of mooted and ultimately agreed to operation and trade of which is rather between Britain, Singapore and complex and the free port status is Malaya, at the time of negotiations vital. were in progress in London for solving Sir, Penang Island has not been specifically Singapore's problem of prepared for the common market. safeguarding her free port status, these There is no industry of any significance should not be regarded as a suitable on the Island, except the numerous solution to be applied to the Island of small factories which need Federal Penang. Government's financial assistance for a well planned start in the industrial Sir, there is not the least doubt that sector. We, in Penang Island, really an overwhelming majority of the need generous financial help in order population of Penang Island of every to industrialise and develop to attract category (the businessmen, the traders, the tourist trade with a road up the the clerks, the workers, the hoteliers, Penang Hill, a Convention Hall, a the hawkers and the people in the road linking the West Coast to the professional fields) if they had their East Coast and a University. Of way, or if they were asked to express course, the fundamental requirement their opinion, would affirm unequi- would be for a bridge to be constructed vocally that they want their port to and thus there may be a great prospect remain as it is, in accordance with the of Penang retaining her position as a policy maintained by the former major port to attract more industries regime and thereafter upheld by our to the Island itself : this would help own elected Government since it came to ease the unemployment problem into power in 1957. Therefore, Sir, it and boost the Island's economy as the is all wrong to say that the. people of cost time and inconvenience involved Penang were being pampered in the to ferry goods from Penang Island to old days and are expecting to continue the mainland has not attracted any to be pampered. The Penang free port solid investment to the Island. was created, designed, to contribute Sir, at one time we understood that towards better trade facilities as an it was put to the State Government as entreport trade centre for the progress how best the State of Penang was to of the hinterland, and judging by the develop : (i) shall Penang give up her marked progress of Kedah State and free port status and enjoy the the other neighbouring States, Sir, it industrialisation on the Island itself, really had achieved that purpose. It or (ii) retain the free port status and had, in fact, Sir, served this State well develop on tourism, giving industriali- with the present day's marked pro- sation planning to the mainland? gress, which has forged ahead by Therefore, a decision was made and means of the development planning of that gave birth to the Mak Mandin our present Alliance Government. Scheme. Even that took the State 2463 26 OCTOBER 1966 2464

Government approximately five years Sir, I must also emphasise that to before it became almost a reality. solve the question of the free port status of Penang Island, there must Sir, the common market would be not be a challenge but rather in the welcomed, as the advantages to be approach there must be emphasis on gained would outweigh the disadvant- Government's positive actions in ages of the loss of the free port positive economic planning and deve- status-there will be more trade lopment on the Island itself which will flowing in and more employment for guarantee the economic well being of the residents of the Island. In fact, I the Islanders; also the Central Govern- was trying to find out whether, in the ment should indicate how fast it can statement of the Honourable Minister implement and accomplish : (i) the of Finance, he would give us a list of immediate need of establishing indus- the advantages which would outweigh tries by giving financial assistance to the disadvantages of Penang Island Penang Island to put it on a proper losing her free port status. Perhaps, scale of industrialisation; (ii) positive the Honourable Minister of Finance economic planning and development was on the safe side in omitting to to meet the needs of the Island and mention these advantages, if Penang policies designed to raise the living Island should come into the Principal standard of the residents of the Island Customs Area. Perhaps, he feels that to gain employment, economic, social his good intentions might have been and cultural progress. misunderstood by the people. As I said, Sir, with all his good intentions, if he were to make it clear what are Sir, I hope the Honourable Minister the advantages, I am sure the people of Finance would not take it as an of the Island of Penang would have a impertinence for me to suggest that chance to understand the benefits of under clause 143 (ii)-"any goods surrendering the free port status which which the Minister of Finance may would help them to offset the higher from time to time declare by order cost of living. published in the Gazette;"-after the words "Minister of Finance" to include Sir, I would like to remind the the words "in concurrence with the Honourable Minister of Finance that State Government of Penang". Sir, both the Federal and State Authorities this is not a case of mistrust, it is the have a duty and obligation to the case of harmony (Laughter) and rela- enfranchised populace or masses in the tionship between the State Government Island of Penang. There was clearly an and the Central Government-and irrevocable pledge that Penang would perhaps this will form a better under- not lose its free port status-this standing. Perhaps, as the Honourable undertaking came from our leaders Minister of Finance has said, the Chief and was repeated during the National Minister of Penar. is aware of this, and State Elections. Therefore, Sir, as but we the Members of Parliament, a Party man, I have to remind my representing the Island of Penang have leaders of the Party Manifesto, of what found that the Chief Minister of they say, of what they wrote and Penang has changed his view, and was which we repeated through our not very happy about that. Therefore, responsible representatives, it is also we, sitting in this Parliament, must customary for the governing party to emphasise this, otherwise it will be a confirm their manifesto after a success- case of where the Minister of Finance ful election. Sir, it may sound that I will say, "The Chief Minister of am trying to be difficult, but I feel it Penang agreed to it" and the Chief duty bound to my constituents to Minister of Penang will say, "Well, I present their case and to remind my did not agree and the Members of national leaders of our pledge and Parliament from the Island of Penang problems, and for this reason I have voted with you"-in other words, we been resisting the force to draw supported it whereas the Chief Minis- Penang Island into the Principal ter of Penang did not agree with it. Customs Area. Since the Honourable Minister of 2465 26 OCTOBER 1966 2466

Finance has stated it clearly that the This is, of course, completely different Bill was with the knowledge of the from what the Member for Penang Chief Minister of Penang, I request Utara said just now. The people in for that statement to be clarified. Kedah, for example, are not prospering simply because there is a free port (Laughter). In any case, Sir, Sir, in conclusion, we appreciate, next door. the first intention in having a free port and must console ourselves with the is to draw trade and commerce to a latest reassurance of our beloved certain area, but ever since the mobility Perdana Menteri, Yang Teramat Mulia of goods and all that have increased Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al-Haj, with modern transportation, it is that the people of Penang Island need found that free ports do not attract not fear about their free port status. I trade any more. It is more the services quote : "I have promised that I would that the free ports offer that will see that Penang remains a free port attract trade. For example, if Indonesia and that promise still holds good". does business with Penang, it is not As I said at many parliamentary because that it is a free port area, but sessions during my seven years in it is because Penang offers the facilities office, we do not try to resist the which they do not have elsewhere. In Government, we will be too glad to fact, when Indonesia thought that it give Government assistance, but we was the free port status which brought only request, "Give us a chance to trade to Penang, when confrontation survive, give us more attention; we, started, they started their own free in Penang Island, have seen the port but it was found that just by marked progress on the other side of declaring an area a free port did not the channel, and we also would like achieve the things that was intended to feel that we are part of Malaysia to be achieved. In fact, the free port and are in fact part of the nation." did not prosper at all, and it is in fact Therefore, we endorse our faith in our the same with Penang ever since the national leader and the Prime Minister last decade. Sir, we can see that, of Malaysia, Yang Teramat Mulia because Penang people are so bound Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al-Haj. to this idea that their prosperity must Thank you. be related to the free port status, they are quite incapable of thinking of Dr Mahathir bin Mohamad: Mr other means of achieving prosperity, Speaker, Sir, I believe this Bill is and they are forever complaining designed to enable the Government to about any attempt to remove their overcome certain anachronisms in the free port status. Because of this bogging law regarding the practice of imposing down in their ideas, it is found that new taxes. While talking about ana- Penang has not prospered during the chronisms, I would like to remind the last decade. If Penang does not Honourable Members from Penang prosper any more because it is a free that free ports in themselves are port, it is about time that we consider anachronisms. If you look into the doing away with the free port status history of free ports, you will find that and bringing Penang into the Principal invariably they are small places- Customs Area. If we continue to keep small areas of land-acquired by Penang as a free port, we are not previous imperialist minded nations, contributing towards its prosperity, and having acquired these rather but what we are actually doing is to small places, the first thing that they subsidise the people of Penang at the usually set out to do was to draw expense of the people on the mainland. trade to that area by announcing that they would not tax any goods or any business that was done in that area. Now, if I buy a pair of shoes in In this way, these small areas benefited Penang and carry it across the Strait, and prospered. But every time that I will have to pay 40 per cent tax. they prospered, it is well to remember What this means is that a dollar in that the territories, which are adjoining Penang is actually worth $1.40. So my to these areas, have to pay for it. earning is actually less than the 2467 26 OCTOBER 1966 2468 earning of the people of Penang in mainland, would be subsidising the that, although the figures might be people of Penang. and I think this is the same, the buying power of the grossly unfair to the people of the dollar is definitely more in Penang mainland. than it is in Kedah-and because of this Kedah has lost a lot : for example, It is about time we do a little bit there are quite a number of million- of rethinking about these things. I do aires, who have made a lot of money agree that if we want to have a lot of in Kedah; they all build their houses tourist trade in Penang, we should in Penang and they carry over all the have shops which sell goods which money they made in Kedah to Penang are duty free, but then we can always to spend (Laughter), because quite do this by giving tourists tax-free naturally they can buy more things in concessions at certain specified shops. Penang and enjoy the good things in This is being done in Japan and in life. In this way, the people of Penang other countries, and I do not see why achieve a slightly higher standard of it cannot be done in the case of living although their actual income Penang, and in this way we can still might be, in terms of figures, the same keep on drawing tourists to Penang. as those on the mainland. So, I would In any case, I do not see why Penang disagree with the Member just now, should have an extra draw where when he said that the standard of tourists are concerned. Kedah too living in Penang is low as it is in fact would like to have a lot of tourists higher. If we say that the people in coming to Kedah, and if we can Penang earn $100 per month and the extend these tax-free shops not only to people in Kedah also earn ..... Penang but also to Alor Star, I am quite sure that the people, who come Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: to Malaya, would also visit Kedah I hope the Honourable Member would instead of going to Penang alone refer to Penang as the "Island of because I am quite sure we have got Penang"; if he mentions the State of quite a lot of things to show in Kedah Penang, that means it applies to the which Penang does not have Province Wellesley people as well (Laughter). So, because of all these (Laughter). reasons and because of the fact that invariably I suffer every time I go to Dr Mahathir bin Mohamad: I am Penang, in that I have to pay taxes on sorry, Mr Speaker, Sir, but this is the two or three shirts that I have to buy general tendency among the people, and a pair of shoes, tax on which is who come from the Island of Penang; 40 per cent, I feel that now that the they could not think of Penang State Minister of Finance is given enabling as Penang Island and the mainland; powers, he should be liberal in the and so having followed their argument, use of these powers. I fell into the same way of defining Penang as the Island of Penang, but Thank you, Sir. actually when I am speaking about Tuan Ismail bin Idris this, I mean the Island of Penang. (Pulau Pinang Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa- kejap tadi saudara saya dari Alor Star If the representatives of Penang telah mengatakan bahawa kekayaan could only think of themselves as a daripada Kedah di-bawa ka-Pulau State, which is an island and a section Pinang (Ketawa). Bagi pehak Pulau of the mainland, then they would not Pinang memang menyokong dan suka be so much bothered about their free supaya banyak lagi kekayaan2 bukan port status. But they are always think- sahaja daripada Kedah, di-luar2 negeri ing of themselves as Penang first, daripada Malaya ini juga boleh di- Bagan or Province second, with the bawa ka-Pulau Pinang. Itu memang- State of Penang and Malaysia coming lah niat kita sunggoh2. last in their minds all the time. So, if we keep on having a free port in Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berbalek ka- Penang, it will mean that we, on the pada soal Pulau Pinang itu sa-bagai 2469 26 OCTOBER 1966 2470 kawasan bebas, saya ingat soal itu balek. Itu soal yang berbangkit hari tidak-lah boleh di-bangkitkan lagi ini kalau Menteri itu dapat menolong- kerana walau bagaimana, pun telah itu sahaja soal-nya. Soal prang Pulau di-bangkitkan oleh wakil2 di-dalam Pinang. kata tidak mahu itu, saya ingat Pulau itu, maka akhir-nya tidak ber- tidak boleh berbangkit tidak akan jaya juga dan Parlimen ini telah me- berbangkit sama sa-kali, hanya soal luluskan Pulau Pinang itu di-masokkan bagaimana hendak menampong, apa di-dalam custom Area. Apa yang ber- Menteri kita ambil di-Pulau Pinang bangkit hari ini is-lah soal berkenaan itu maka hendak-lah di-tampongkan dengan pindaan kapada Rang Undang2 balek, hendak di-tambuskan balek ini yang membolehkan atau di-beri. lubang itu, apa yang hendak di-jalan- kuasa penoh kapada Menteri Ke- kan itu-lah sahaja yang ra`ayat Pulau wangan dengan sa-chara "with the Pinang ini berkehendakkan supaya stroke of the pen" : dapat mengubah- dapat pengakuan daripada Menteri kita. kan, dapat mengenakan chukai2 ka- pada barang2 yang pada hari ini maseh Saya ada beberapa perkara untok tidak kena chukai. Ini-lah yang di- mengshorkan di-sini kapada Yang Ber- runsingkan, yang di-takutkan oleh hormat Menteri sa-telah empat perkara ra`ayat jelata di-pulau itu. yang telah di-kenakan chukai di-Pulau Pinang itu sa-bagaimana yang tersebut Kita di-Pulau Pinang, ra`ayat2 di-dalam Bill ini keadaan pengang- Pulau Pinang juga, sa-bagaimana kata goran makin sa-hari sa-makin ber- saudara saya tali ada-lah sa-bahagian tambah. Ini yang susah kita, bukan daripada Malaysia dan kita juga suka keadaan penganggoran itu kurang, sama2 dengan Malaysia tetapi di-dalam dengan ada-nya chukai2 di-kenakan soal ini, di-dalam soal hendak menge- empat perkara itu, ini pula hendak nakan chukai ini suka-lah saya hendak di-kenakan chukai beberapa barang menyatakan bahawa Pulau Pinang lagi. Ini yang merunsingkan Wakil2 telah pun berada di-dalam keadaan Ra`ayat terutama sa-kali. Di-mana kita yang sa-macham ini telah berkurun2, hendak menolong ra`ayat jelata ter- telah beberapa lama yang mereka utama sa-kali orange yang tidak ada menghadapi soul ini. Jadi, dengan ada- kerja ini, hendak mengurangkan dari- nya pindaan ini maka harus dengan pada penganggoran, kalau tidak dapat serta-merta apakala di-fikirkan oleh pertolongan daripada Pusat umpama- Menteri, ini sain sahaja barang itu, nya sa-bagai bapa kita. barang itu, dengan serta-merta di- kenakan chukai. Kita telah berkali2 meminta per- hatian pehak Kerajaan Pusat is-itu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya suka perlanchongan ada-lah satu perkara hendak membangkitkan uchapan Yang yang wajib, yang patut di-beri per- Teramat Mulia Tunku di-Pulau Pinang hatian berat oleh Kerajaan Pusat. Ini- baru2 mi. Yang Teramat Mulia ber- lah satu2-nya chara bagi menampong kata dalam tahun 1967 bahasa kebang- keadaan yang harus akan berlaku di- saan akan di-jadikan bahasa rasmi Pulau Pinang sa-kira-nya chukai2 ini dan bahasa yang tunggal di-dalam di-kenakan dan barang2 chukai di- negeri ini, tetapi bahasa Inggeris akan kenakan di-Pulau Pinang. Itu satu. di-gunakan juga. Itu kata dia. Bagini- lah juga keadaan-nya dalam soal Yang kedua-nya harus Menteri kita mengenakan chukai2 di-Pulau itu. mengetahui bahawa sa-bagai sa-buah Pulau itu memang, macham saya Pulau yang tidak ada hubongan-nya katakan tali, sudah berkurun2 her- dengan tanah besar kita ini, ada-lah -j alan dengan tidak kena bayar apa2. lagi satu merumitkan kedudokan Pulau Kalau perkara ini dapat di-lambat2- Pinang. Maka oleh yang demikian kan sadikit dengan sharat kalau-lah tidak-kah ada satu shor atau cha- Menteri kita ini dapat menolong dangan atau fikiran daripada Kera- menutupkan atau pun menampong- jaan Puusat supaya dapat menghubong- kan apa yang hendak di-ambil itu kan pulau itu ini dengan tanah besar dapat di-tampongkan balek supaya kita. Ini satu keuntongan sa-kira-nya keadaan lubang itu dapat di-penoh dapat di-jalankan, dapat di-ikhtiarkan 2471 26 OCTOBER 1966 2472 oleh Kerajaan Pusat. Maka saya rasa saya ingin mengambil bahagian sadikit kedudokan Pulau Pinang dari segi untok menyokong Bill yang di- ekonomi tidak-lah bagitu rumit pada bentangkan oleh Yang Berhormat masa akan datang. Bagitu juga hari ini Menteri Kewangan. Sebab saya dudok kita di-fahamkan beberapa banyak di- di-Seberang Prai, Seberang Prai ada- antara ra`ayat jelata hari ini di-tanah lah sa-bahagian daripada negeri Pulau besar ini di-beri peluang untok bekerja Pinang. Jadi, malang-nya saya dudok di-luar negeri umpama-nya di-Sabah sa-belah sang jadi tidak dapat-lah dan di-Sarawak. keistimewaan dengan barang2 murah yang mana rakan2 saya dudok di-Ptilau Saya suka hendak bertanya Menteri Pinang sendiri telah pun dapat ke- Burch hari ini tidak-kah dia teringat mudahan2 yang istimewa. Sebab pun atau t.erfikir supaya memberi peluang saya menyokong Bill ini is-lah bagai- kapada ra`ayat jelata di-Pulau Pinang mana yang di-sebutkan oleh Yang sana supaya bersama2 di-beri kapada Berhormat akan di-kenakan chukai ra`ayat di-Pulau itu boleh bekerja, di- kapada barang2 dari sa-masa ka- beri peluang bekerja sa-bagai buroh samasa yang beliau sendiri memikir- atau sa-bagai-nya di-Sabah atau di- kan patut di-kenakan chukai. Sarawak. Ini juga dapat menolong ra`ayat jelata yang sedang menganggor Sa-lain daripada empat benda2 yang hari ini mudah2an mereka dapat men- sudah pun di-kenakan chukai, saya chari sa-suap nasi untok f amili mereka. menyokong Bill ini berdasarkan di- Dengan perkara2 yang sa-macham atas ke`adilan. Sa-banyak 350,000 pen- ini-fah yang merunsingkan ra`ayat dudok2 di-Palau Pinang mendapat jelata yang mereka hari ini sedang keistimewaan tetapi di-Seberang Prai menghadapi anchaman2 yang sa- 250,000 dudok dalam satu negeri tidak macham ini. Maka oleh yang demikian mendapat keistimewaan. Kalau di- saya juga, sa-bagai wakil ra`ayat di- bandingkan pula dengan pendudok2 Pulau itu, suka-lah hendak merayu di-Malaysia ini atau di-tanah besar- kapada Menteri kita ini di-dalam tanah Malaya ini yang sa-ramai 7 juta mengenakan chukai2 ini hendak-lah orang, 350,000 mendapat keistimewaan. beliau berfikir sa-belum hendak me- Jadi, dari segi ke`adilan tentu sa-kali nentukan sa-suatu dengan Kerajaan tidak patut, sebab kalau ada di-buat Negeri Pulau Pinang mudah2an ada apa2 perkara, banyak wakil2 kita dan ikhtiar2 dapat di-berikan kapada Kera- orang ramai membangkang, perkara jaan Pusat ini bagaimana chara2 itu tidak `adil, perkara ini tidak `adil. hendak mengenakan itu supaya tidak Jadi untok ke`adilan biar-lah kita akan menjadi perbalahan antara Kera- sama2 menerima sadikit beban untok jaan Pusat dan Kerajaan Negeri. hendak bayar chukai menyokong Kera- jaan kita supaya dapat Kerajaan kita Ini-lah perkara-nya yang patut di- buat lagi banyak ranchangan2 untok ambil pertimbangan oleh Menteri kemudahan bagi ra`ayat jelata kita. supaya perbalahan tidak lagi akan berlaku di-antara ra`ayat di-Palau Sa-belum tahun 1935, kalau tidak Pinang dengan Kerajaan Pusat, dan silap saya, pelabohan bebas yang di- saya berseru-lah kapada Wakil2 maksudkan is-lah termasok Seberang Ra`ayat di-dalam seluroh Malaysia ini Prai juga, kerana di-tiap2 jalan di- supaya bertimbang rasa kapada ra`ayat sempadan2 di-Seberang Prai dahulu Pulau Pinang yang mempunyai lebeh di-adakan P'egawai2 Kastam. Sa-lepas kurang 300 ribu nyawa hari ini, daripada itu chuma Pulau Pinang mudah2an dengan pertimbangan yang sahaja kami di-Seberang Prai terlepas. saksama oleh Wakil2 Ra`ayat seluroh Jadi, kalau sudah di-ambil hak isti- Malaysia ini dapat-lah menolong me- mewa daripada Seberang Prai pads mikirkan bagaimana Bill ini dapat di- tahun 1935 dahulu, maka tidak ada perbaiki supaya keadaan di-sana lebeh menjadi kesulitan yang besar untok baik lagi. hendak mengenakan chukai barang2 yang masok ka-Pelabohan Pulau Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Sa`aid (Sebe- Pinang dari sa-masa ka-samasa. Dan rang Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan chara yang demikian dapat-lah 2473 26 OCTOBER 1966 2474

Kerajaan negeri Pulau Pinang sendiri lah kapada orange yang dudok di- membuat ranchangan2 untok per- Pulau itu sendiri memikirkan masa- usahaan2 di-pulau itu sendiri. Kerana alah mereka sendiri. jikalau ada perusahaan2 yang di- dirikan di-Pulau Pinang itu sendiri Perkara yang rumit juga yang di- maka dapat-lah meemberi peluang ka- alami oleh pengeluar atau pembuat pada pekerja2-kapada orange yang barang2 is-itu sa-bagaimana pembuat menganggor yang tidak ada kerja. gaharu, kain baju dan juga perkara Sa-lagi barang2 buatan daripada negeri yang kechil2 manakala mereka itu buat kita sendiri tidak dapat kawalan dari- perusahaan yang kechil2 di-Pulau pada pehak Kerajaan Pusat, sa-lama Pinang hendak bawa mari di-Seberang itu-lah factory2 tidak akan di-dirikan Prai, di-kenakan chukai. Jadi ke- di-Pulau Pinang itu sendiri. Dengan banyakan orang yang membuat home sa-chara memberi kuasa kapada Yang industry ini atau pun perusahaan sen- Berhormat Menteri mengenakan chukai diri-di-ruma.h-nya sendiri--ini ter- "at source" sa-bagaimana minyak paksa mari ka-Seberang Prai kerana petrol, tembakau dan lain2, maka hendak mengelakkan daripada kena dapat-lah di-timbangkan supaya di- chukai. Jikalau perkara ini dapat di- adakan beberapa banyak factory di- masokkan ka-dalam perkara kena Pulau Pinang sendiri supaya memberi bayar chukai, maka banyak lagi home- kemudahan yang besar kapada prang made goods-barang buatan sendiri di-sana mendapatkan kerja. ini di-adakan di-Pulau Pinang, mana- kala mereka keluarkan di-sini tidak Perkara yang rumit dan menjadi payah lagi kena chukai. Jadi akan kesusahan kapada orange lalu lintas menggalakkan banyak lagi perusahaan2 atau yang menumpang ferry daripada kechil di-Palau Pinang itu sendiri. mi Seberang Prai ka-Pulau Pinang dan akan memberi satu keuntongan yang daripada Pulau Pinang ka-Seberang besar bagi pendudok2 dalam Pulau itu Prai, manakala orang sana datang ka- mengadakan perusahaan2 kechil sendiri. ferry di-sebelah sini ka-Pengkalan Sultan Abdul Halim, ada Pegawai2 Jikalau hendak katakan dengan ada- Kastam memereksa motokar dan juga nya pelabohan bebas ini pehak pe- barang2 mereka itu-ini satu perkara kedai2 atau pehak perniaga2 kechil- yang chukup susah bagi penumpang2. akan rugi, jadi saya tidak perchaya, Tambahan pula pada tahun 1968 ini kerana prang yang berniaga jikalau Station Keretapi akan datang di- barang itu haraa $3 kalau sudah kena Pengkalan Sultan Abdul Halim nanti chukai dia boleh naik $3.50 dia mesti. beribu2 lagi penumpang2 keretapi yang jual mendapat untong juga, walau hendak datang daripada Pulau Pinang macham mana pun dia mesti mendapat ka-seluroh Tanah Melayu ini akan untong. Jadi perkara ini tidak terlibat mendapat kesusahan. Jadi sa-kira-nya kapada orange perniaga yang kechil2. dapat di-kenakan chukai kapada Jadi di-atas alasan ini-lah saya salah barang2 yang selalu-nya orang gemar melarikan chukai2 itu, maka merengan- sa-orang daripada ahli Dewan Per- kan Pegawai2 Kastam juga menyenang- niagaan Melayu Pulau Pinang, Dewan kan penumpang2 ferry dan lain lagi. Perniagaan Melayu Pulau Pinang Jadi, sa-bagaimana yang di-sebutkan sendiri menyokong dasar Kerajaan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat wakil supaya menjadikan Pulau Pinang itu Tanjong yang mengatakan harus pen- masok dalam Kawasan Kastam. Jadi, dudok2 di-Pulau Pinang kata-nya tidak di-atas kajian yang sa-macham ini, akan berasa ta`at sa-penoh-nya kapada maka saya menyokong Bill ini dan Kerajaan Pusat atau pun kapada Men- saya harap akan di-laksanakan dengan. ten. Jadi perkara itu tidak benar, sa-berapa elok-nya. Terima kaseh. kerana orang yang dudok di-Seberang Prai memang-lah sedia ta`at kami Mr (Deputy) Speaker: The sitting is: tidak mendapat keistimewaan, chuma suspended for 10 minutes. orang2 di-Palau Pinang barangkali berasa tidak puas hati. Itu terpulang- Sitting suspended at 5.20 p.m. 2475 26 OCTOBER 1966 2476

Sitting resumed at 5.48 p.m. Penang. Here I am not seeking to argue for a retention of the free Port (Mr Speaker in the Chair) status, because, no doubt, the Member for Tanjong has eloquently stated the TIE CUTSOMS (AMENDMENT) case for the retention of the free Port BILL status. What I wish to stress a little is Second Reading on the constitutional angle.

Debate resumed. The Prime Minister at question time this morning stated that this Bill that Mr Speaker: Before we resume is now before this House is not an debate on this Bill, would those Hon- erosion of the free port status, that he ourable Members who wish to speak would leave it to the Minister for Fin- on this Bill, if they do not mind, pleas; ance to put up the case, and that the stand up so as to indicate the number people of Penang would be consulted of Honourable Members who wish to by the elected government of the day speak. in Penang. Mr Speaker, Sir, we all (Dr Tan Chee Khoon and Tuan Ong know that Penang came into the Fede- Kee Hui stood up). ration of Malaya then on the very specific condition of the retention of As far as I can see, there are only their free Port status and any viola- two more. It has been a very long tion of that agreement is an act of bad drawn out debate on this Bill. (To Dr faith on the part of the Central Tan, Chee Khoon) Would you like to Government. Further, the Prime Mini- speak first? ster stated that the wishes of the people would be consulted through Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, their elected government of the day. Sir, this House, I believe, is debating Again, this is a violation of that the question of the free port status of pledge, because I believe that in 1964 Penang and I see there, literally, is a the free port status of Penang was not free for all, and this, Mr Speaker, Sir, an election issue and consequently I is very refershing not only to us on think it would be wrong on the part of this side of the House but indeed to either the Prime Minister or the Mini- the whole country because this is ster for Finance-who has just come what democracy should be, that there back-to say that, "Oh, we have con- should be an element of dissent within, sulted the people of Penang, because I would not say monolithic, because it we have consulted the government of is always fragmenting but the huge the day there and the Chief Minister, majority that the Alliance Party enjoys. and he has agreed to whatever mea- For once, Sir, I think this House has sures that we may impose to erode refreshing sight of an Honourable away the free post status of Penang." Member from Pulau Pinang almost Mr Speaker, Sir, I bring these few inciting the rest of his comrades to points from the constitutional angle, revolt against the Minister of Finance. because this country has seen the This, Mr Speaker, Sir, is all to the erosion of more and more of the good, and I hope that the Chief Whip sanctity of the Constitution. More or the Assistant Whip will not take him to task, because these are but and more do we see the Constitution some of the mechanics of democracy being flouted by the ruling party and that we should be educated in--and this is but one more example. I do we still have to be educated in. hope that not only this House but the whole country will realise that if this Mr Speaker, Sir, my Party, the process of erosion goes on, then there Labour Party of Malaya, has through will be very little sanctity, very little its representatives in Penang stated in protection that has been guaranteed in no »1ticertain terms that they are for the the Constitution left with us. Thank preservation of the free Port status of you. 2477 26 OCTOBER 1966 2478

EXEMPTED BUSINESS Whatever the merits or the demerits of the maintenance of the free port (MOTION) status of Penang, I think it is a matter for very careful consideration, perhaps Tuan Tan Siew Sin : Mr Speaker Sir, by economic experts. I think the I beg to move, important point is that the mainten- That the House shall not rise until after the completion of all business on the Order ance of the Free Port Status of Penang Paper for today and that at its rising the is one of the pledges given to the House be adjourned sine die. people there and, as such, should be The purpose for this motion, Sir, is carefully considered by Government in any measure which will in any way self-explanatory. It is clear that if we interfere with that status, unless it is were to sit a little while longer we can the wishes of the people to do that, finish all the business on the Order and I think the Government with all Paper and the intention of this motion its apparatus should be able to is to enable us to finish all the busi- convince the people that it is ulti- ness for today, so that we do not have mately in their best interests that some to meet again tomorrow morning. other arrangements should be made with regard to the port and the future Dr Lim Swee Aun: Sir, I beg to development of Penang Island itself. second. Coming as I do, Sir, from a State Question put, and agreed to. where there' are also safeguards and guarantees embodied in the Constitu- Resolved, tion, I naturally view with alarm any That the House shall not rise until after attempt by the Government to interfere the completion of all business on the Order with State rights which belong to any Paper for today and that at its rising the State in the Federation and, therefore, House be adjourned sine die. I rise, Sir, to put in a word in support THE CUSTOMS (AMENDMENT) for the people of Penang, who, through BILL their elected representatives, seem to object very strongly to this measure. I Second Reading have no doubt that our turn will come next, because, although we have not Debate resumed. got a free port, we also have certain T uan Ong Kee Hui and T uan A bu safeguards in the Constitution and one Bakar bin Hamzah: rise. of these I think concerns the imposition of Customs duty. The Finance Minister, Mr Speaker: (To Tuan Abu Bakar maybe in the next Budget Session, in bin Hamzah). Tadi tidak ada hendak the interest of harmonisation may put berchakap lagi, dia yang bangun tali, forward measures which will affect us 2 orang sahaja hendak berchakap lagi, and we will then, I suppose, appeal dia dengan Member dari Batu. Saya to our friends in Penang to back us on tidak ben. that occasion. That is all I have to say, Sir. I think the important point Tuan Ong Kee Hui (Sarawak): Mr is not whether the maintenance of the Speaker, Sir, I shall be very brief. It free port status is possible or desirable, had not been my intention to speak but the point is, I think, that such because not only am I not a Penang changes which are desirable or which "kite" but because the case for Penang the Government thinks feasible should has been so eloquently put forward by be done with the agreement of the these three speakers-the Honourable people concerned. The Honourable the Member for Tanjong, the Honourable Prime Minister has already given Member for Pulau Pinang Utara and assurance on this point and, in fact, I think also the Honourable Member has pledged that the people would be from Kulim Utara, but hearing what consulted. How the people would be some other Members have had to say consulted is another matter-whether I felt that I ought to put in a word in talking to the Chief Minister of support of my friends from Penang. Penang is sufficient or whether there 2479 26 OCTOBER 1966 2480 should be an election on that issue or cherita langsong perkara2 yang macham even a referendum. Sir, I most strongly mi. Apa yang dia nampak is-lah support our friends from Penang. untong status pelabohan yang bebas- itu saja. Bagitu juga sahabat saya Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: daripada Batu, dia berchakap dari segi Rises. Perlembagaan, hendak menolong Pulau Pinang dan sahabat2 di-Pulau Pinang; Mr Speaker: Pendekkan saja, banyak tetapi waktu Kelantan berbalah dengan telah berchakap. Kerajaan Pusat tentang pembentokan Malaysia, sahabat saya dari Batu diam Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: membatu langsong dan dia tidak Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya dalam berchakap pun (Ketawa) dari segi Dewan ini kadang2 menyokong Kera- Perlembagaan ! Sa-patut-nya kalau jaan dan ini giliran saya pula menyo- dia ikhlas dia tidak peduli Pulau kong penoh Kerajaan mengemukakan Pinang atau pun Kelantan, dia mesti Rang Undang2 mi. Oleh kerana, Tuan membela. Boleh jadi-lah Kelantan dia Yang di-Pertua, pada satu segi, tidak ada harapan, parti dia di-sana memang baik Pulau Pinang itu men- tidak ada harapan, Pulau Pinang dia jadi pelabohan bebas, dia memberi nampak cherah maka dia membela keuntongan kapada ra`ayat negara kita pada hari mi. di-sana dan mereka mendapat mata pencharian dengan jalan bekerja, oleh Ada pun orang yang hendak mem- kerana barang2 yang masok di-situ bangkang Rang Undang2 ini, saya tidak di-kenakan chukai. nampak, presume-lah, saya tidak tahu yang sa-benar-nya, saya nampak Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ter- bukan-lah hendak menjaga sangat kadang2-nya kemudahan yang di-beri kesenangan orange Pulau Pinang itu, itu menimbulkan kesusahan. Akibat tetapi orang ini berchakap dengan daripada status atau pun taraf pelabo- speaking ini the language of smugglers. han bebas ini dengan sendiri-nya Jadi dia orang chuba hendak membela timbul usaha2 dan kegiatan2 penyelu- penyeludup2 itu. Jadi dengan sa-chara dupan, is-itu smuggling, berlaku ter- tidak langsong, kita sudah lihat ada lampau banyak kerana ada-nya taraf kaitan-nya, saya sebutkan kalau saya pelabohan yang bebas itu. Jadi berapa ta' betul boleh di-perbetulkan, is-itu banyak-lah pegawai2 kita yang kena sa-orang Ahli Yang Berhormat kita bunoh, pegawai2 kastam dan tenaga2 dari Pulau Pinang telah kena pukul yang kita tumpukan is-lah sa-mata2 hari itu kerana dia berchakap ber- hendak menjaga smuggling atau kenaan dengan smuggling. Tidak-lah penyeludupan yang berlaku antara smuggling barang Pulau Pinang, tetapi Pulau Pinang yang di-katakan mem- akibat daripada dia berchakap atas punyai taraf pelabohan bebas itu hal smuggling, banyak Ahli2 kita kena dengan Tanah Besar Malaya mi. Di- marah oleh ra`ayat dan ada yang kena samping penyeludupan itu boleh pula pukul. Jadi penyakit smuggling ini berlaku, tidak mustahil berlaku, orange sudah menjadi satu fact, tidak menjadi jahat yang menyamarkan diri sa-bagai satu khayal lagi dengan terbukti-nya penyeludup2 barang, tetapi orang ini sa-orang Ahli kita sudah kena pukul. amat berbahaya. Apa yang kita boleh Jadi sa-lagi Pulau Pinang ini menjadi buat is-lah menangkap mereka itu dan taraf pelabohan bebas, sa-lama itu-lah menudoh di-bawah kesalahan penyelu- smuggling ini berlaku dan sa-lama dupan, pada hal mungkin mereka itu itu-lah perkara2 yang tidak baik boleh jadi membuat kerj a2 yang lain. timbul. Saya ingat, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Pada hal, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-belum konfrantasi, banyak orange apabila kita mengubah sadikit sa- luar kena tangkap, bila di-soal dalam banyak di-sini, chukai dengan sendiri- mahkamah dia kata dia membawa nya bertambah bagi negara kita. Kalau barang masok smuggling, dia mem- taraf itu sa-mata2 taraf pelabohan bawa Benda lain. Jadi bendy ini, bebas kita harap chukai yang kita sahabat saya dari Tanjong ini tidak hendak dapat itu is-lah apabila barang 2481 26 OCTOBER 1966 2482

itu di-bawa masok kapada mainland. add to their economic difficulties. Sir, Saya menyangka-lah, meramalkan, the Honourable Member for Tanjong bahawa yang kita dapat kutip chukai has very clearly stated that the popula- barangkali dalam 40 per cent sahaja tion of Penang has rapidly grown and daripada barang yang masok ka- that today it is about 350,000 and mainland, 60 lagi melalui smuggling the Honourable Member for Pulau dan saya berasa Yang Berhormat Pinang Selatan has said that the Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan unemployment is so great that it pun sokong saya dalam perkara ini, would be a great relief, if some of the saya rasa bagitu. unemployed could be sent to Kuching as labour. Sir, the economic situation Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, nyata-lah of Penang is grave and, I think, one of kita sekarang ini hendak menyamakan the reasons why the economic situa- kedudokan ra`ayat2 kita dan hendak tion has gone down, besides the issue menyelaraskan peluang pencharian kita of confrontation and the loss of dengan tidak membedzakan State2 entrepot trade, is because of her yang lain termasok Pulau Pinang. inability to uphold and protect the Ada pun masaalah Yang Teramat industries and factories existing in Mulia Perdana Menteri mengaku Penang. That is why, Sir, the Honour- memberi jaminan hendak menjaga able Member for Penang Utara has taraf pelabohan ini, Ahli2 Yang Ber- often come to see me with other hormat dari Batu dan dari Tanjong, Members of Parliament too, including kalau kita hendak kata orang ini tidak the Member of Parliament for Dato bagitu cherdek pun ta' boleh, orang Keamat, to ask the Central Govern- ini marah, tetapi dia orang ini selalu ment if it were possible to exempt perchaya kapada Ketua2 Perikatan. some made-in-Penang goods from Memang kita ta' boleh perchaya Tunku import duty when sent into the berchakap bagitu, tetapi orang ini mainland. maseh perchaya lagi. Sir, with the rapid industrialisation Saya, walau Kerajaan Perikatan of Malaysa, with many factories being bagi jaminan, bagaimana sa-kali pun, set up in the mainland, the Principal saya menghormati sa-bagai satu cha- Customs Area, and the policy of kap, saya ta' perchaya (Ketawa) tetapi protection, it is natural that protective orange ini perchaya lagi. Jadi dua tiga duties would be introduced and these kali-lah mereka ini ta' mahu cherdek, protective duties cannot be introduced Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Jadi saya rasa in the free port of Penang, thus result- saya menyokong-lah Keraj aan dalam ing in existing factories in Penang perkara ini dengan sharat kita minta- Island being unable to compete by lah apabila Rang Undang2 ini ber- having to climb the tariff barrier when jalan, kita minta-lah Menteri Kewangan they export their goods to the main- kita Yang Berhormat chuba menyata- land. As a result of this, Sir, many kan pada tiap2 tahun atau pun enam factories, and I am told that there are bulan sa-kali perbedzaan chukai yang about 700 small factories in Penang, kita dapat daripada Pulau Pinang itu are today suffering-to give an exam- sa-kira-nya chars yang sa-macham ini ple, Sir, before, soya bean sauce could tidak berubah dan tidak menguntong- be imported into the mainland free kan dan macham lama juga, di-masa from the factories in Penang Island, itu kita kembali-lah balek taraf but now because of protection there is pelabohan ini saperti yang di-minta this difficulty; then, again, there is the oleh Ahli dari Tanjong itu (Ketawa). famous one of the bean curd sticks; the other examples are that there are many The Minister of Commerce and factories producing metal window Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Mr grills and expanded metal doors, which Speaker, Sir, several Honourable Mem- were made in Penang, sent to the bers, who have spoken on this Bill, mainland duty free, but with the have shown concern that the introduc- setting up of similar factories in the tion of this Bill would take away the mainland and protection, these fac- free port status of Penang and would tories in Penang have lost their 2483 26 OCTOBER 1966 2484 business. They are given one of two is true at all. As the Honourable choices, either to Gloss down, which Member himself knows, Sir, that means added unemployment, lowering would mean legislating for the aboli- the economic situation of Penang, or to tion of the free port status of Penang shift some of their factories on to Mak and that is precisely what we are not Mandin on the mainland. Sir, the fact doing in this instance. He, I take it, that Mak Mandin has been a great accepts as valid the reaffirmation of success is because of the protection the undertaking previously given by that these factories get. Then again, the Honourable the Prime Minister, Sir, Penang Island has lost several big repeated this morning, and I would factories, simply because these factories draw the attention of the Honourable cannot get protection. I have been Members who have expressed fears asked several times by intending indus- this afternoon to that reaffirmation. In trialists whether or not I can give a view of that, I think the fears which guarantee to them that they can have been expressed this afternoon do always get duty free import of their not really arise. goods made in Penang into the main- land, if they set up their factory in Question put, and agreed to. Penang, Sir, I have told them that this Bill accordingly read a second time assurance cannot be given by the and committed to a Committee of the Central Government because if a whole House. similar factory is set up in the main- land and asks for protecton, then the House immediately resolved itself Penang factory would be at a dis- into a Committee on the Bill. advantage. For that reason, Sir, several factories have not gone to Bill considered in Committee. Penang, although they intended to go (Mr Speaker in the Chair) to Penang. So the effect of this Bill, giving powers to the Minister of Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to Finance, would mainly be for the stand part of the Bill. imposition of protective duties; and as protective duties have to be put in a Bill reported without amendment : hurry, and must be done quickly so as read the third time and passed. to prevent stock piling, doing away with this cumbersome process of THE TREASURY BILLS (LOCAL) having to come to Parliament to get (AMENDMENT) BILL permission for every item is, in fact, Second Reading meant to help the people! of Penang to improve their economy. That, Sir, is Tuan Tan Siew Sin : Mr Speaker, Sir, the main reason why this House has I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an been asked to approve this Bill. Act to amend the Treasury Bills (Local) Ordinance, 1946" be read a second Tuan Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker, Sir, time. I have very little to add to the remarks Honourable Members will recall that which have been made by my Honour- in May last year Parliament approved able friend, the Minister of Commerce an amendment to the Treasury Bills and Industry, except to make one point (Local) Ordinance, 1946, in order that which I think is of some significance the amount of the Treasury Bills which to this debate. Many Honourable could be issued and outstanding at any Members, who have expressed their one time could be raised from the then uneasiness over this Bill, have based statutory limit of $300 million to $600 their fears on the assumption that the million. This was done to meet the free port status is gone. I think these liquidity requirements of commercial fears are epitomised in the observa- banks and the anticipated increase in tions of the Honourable Member for the sale of Treasury Bills throughout Tanjong, who speaks of this Bill as Malaysia. Bank Negara has reported taking away de jure the free port that recent trends in the sale of status of Penang. I do not think that Treasury Bills have made it clear that 2485 26 OCTOBER 1966 2486 the present statutory limit of $600 to increase the Treasury Bills put in the million needs to be further increased. banks so it has got to do with banking If the present rate at which these Bills practice. This House and this country are being taken up by banks is main- must know what has gone wrong in tained, then the limit of $600 million one direction to merit the attention of should be reached fairly quickly. The what the Minister calls a reputable amount issued as on 15th October, journal like the Economist. 1966, for instance, was $541 million. It is desirable, in these circumstances Mr Speaker, Sir, the article here is to increase the statutory limit to enable captioned "Malaysian Banking-Breath banks to hold more Treasury Bills, so of Unease", and I will quote : that funds in the domestic market may "Malaysia's business community is con- be tapped. The Bill before this House cerned about reports that some of the indigenous banks are being pushed into seeks to raise the limit from $600 taking on too much unsuitable business. By million to $1,000 million. the end of last year banks registered in Malaysia, most of them set up by Chinese Sir, I beg to move. businessmen in the past ten years, had over 50 per cent of all bank deposits. But, as in Tuan V. Manickavasagam: Sir, I beg other ex-colonies, foreign (particularly British) to second the motion. banks have kept the lion's share of good commercial business. In Malaysia the local Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, banks, with the important exception of the Overseas-Chinese Banking Corporation, have Sir, the Minister of Finance, in his very therefore been left with the up-country brief introduction of the Bill, has asked branch business and with the less reliable, if for the increase of Treasury Bills from more exciting, company financing. They have $600 million to $1,000 million, and I also been exposed to political pressure to take on business that looked, to outside eyes, can understand his being very brief unsuitably speculative. Partly this was because, I think, most of us at the end because, with an industrial and investment of a very tiring day want to go home. boom gathering pace over the past few years, the government was keen to increase the Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to bring this number of all-Malaysian ventures. But not to the notice of the Minister of all of them looked particularly sound. Bank Negara, Malaysia's central bank, observed Finance not that he does not know tartly in its last report that it was it; he knows it; the Press knows it; encouraging the banks `to give preference to and those in banking circles know loans intended for productive rather than it; but however, Mr Speaker, Sir, speculative purposes: very often what is happening in this A certain amount of uneasiness has been country, the man-in-the-street does building up over the past few months in Kuala Lumpur and Singapore. A fortnight not know and he comes to know of it ago the M$5 shares of Malayan Banking fell only through a foreign source. Mr to M$8.50 against M$12 six weeks before. Speaker, Sir, the Minister of Finance Malayan Banking is the biggest of the is very fond of quoting the journal indigenous banks set up in the last decade, with around 30 per cent of local bank known as the Economist. With your deposits, and as a Malay rather than Chinese kind indulgence, Mr Speaker, Sir, may concern, is particularly identified with the I quote the latest issue of the Economist bumiputras, the Malayan sons of the soil. of the 22nd to 28th October, 1966? Mr Last week its shares recovered to M$9. The central bank's figures show that the Speaker, Sir, I shall try to read a few indigenous banks' overall liquidity position of the relevant parts of this brief article is perfectly sound. Even so, businessmen that appeared in the Economist that have been pressing the Bank Negara and the has to do with banking practice in this government to investigate the banks' position, but the affair has so been kept out of the country and I shall then comment a press." little ... . Mr Speaker, as I said, things that are Tuan Tan Slew Sin: May I rise on happening in this country regarding a point of order? What has that got to banking practices and quite a lot of do with the debate? other things, we in this country do not know and we get to know of these Dr Tan Chee Khoon : It has got things only through a foreign source. I something to do with the debate- challenge the Minister to say that this •because the Minister of Finance wants is a non-reputable journal or that this 2487 26 OCTOBER 1966 2488

is a sensational report from the Mr Speaker, Sir, if I may comment Economist. The only thing that I find on this : I will not take long. It is true fault with this report is that it calls the that the directors of Malayan Banking Malayan Banking Limited indigenous Limited have been at loggerheads- and "is particularly identified with the and I stand corrected if I am wrong. It bumiputras, the Malayan sons of the is also true that a good deal of business soil." I, for one, find that the only of the Malayan Banking Limited has inaccuracy in this report is that bit been speculative and this has caused concerning the bumf pumas. It is well- concern to Bank Negara, and no doubt known that this Bank is mainly Chinese. must have caused much concern to the Minister of Finance. Mr Speaker, Sir, I Mr Speaker, Sir, if I may comment would commend to the Minister of a little on this, it is well-known that the Finance, and through him to Bank Malayan Banking Limited literally Negara, that Bank Negara should supports UMNO on its shoulders; if exercise greater care over the sharp you go to where I practice a few yards practices of some of the banks in this away, Malayan Banking Limited holds country. Thank you. UMNO Headquarters on its shoulders; if you go to Kajang, Malayan Banking Tuan Tan Siew Sin : Mr Speaker, Sir, Limited holds UMNO on its shoulders; as I tried to point out, the article which if you go to Kuala Trengganu , the new the Honourable Member for Batu read building there, Malayan Banking out to this House is, strictly speaking, Limited holds UMNO on its shoulders. not relevant to the subject matter of These are the three places where I this debate. However, as he has raised know Malayan Banking Limited sup- this matter, I hope you will permit me ports UMNO on its shoulders . Conse- to reply to what he has said. He himself quently if Malayan Banking Limited admits that that article contains at least were to collapse, it is safe to say that one serious mis-statement of fact, and it will affect the finances of UMNO that is the assertion that this bank is and this country to a great extent. run by Malays when all of us, including the Honourable Member for Batu, Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, it is no secret know that it is an overwhelmingly that all is not well with Malayan Chinese bank. Banking Limited . It has extended its tentacles so widely and so hurriedly A second very grave mis-statement that possibly a good deal of its opera- of fact is that the commercial banks in tions have gone out of joint. this country are subject to political pressures. I can say here and now, Sir, Mr Speaker: I should like to know that this is the most vicious lie that has what has that got to do with this Bill? ever been uttered. Nothing is further from the truth. I can say categorically Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, that neither Bank Negara, nor the Sir, it has got to do with this Bill Treasury, has ever put any pressure on because Treasury Bills are channelled any commercial bank in this country to through the various banks. favour, or not to favour, any particular political party, or to favour, or not to Mr Speaker: Yes, I think you have favour, any business project or any mentioned about Malayan Banking institution or individual. Limited in passing. That should be sufficient. Dr Tan Chee Khoon : On a point of clarification, Mr Speaker, Sir, if the Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Except, Mr Minister will allow me-is it not a fact Speaker, Sir, that I wish to point out that most of the directors of Malayan to this House and, through the Press, Banking Limited are either members of to the people of this country that the the Alliance Party or have connections Minister of Finance should exercise with the Alliance Party? greater care with Treasury Bills that are channelled through the banks. That Tuan Tan Siew Sin: It may, Mr is my justification for speaking on this. Speaker, Sir, be true that one or two 2489 26 OCTOBER 1966 2490 members are connected, or are sympa- for the first three months of the new thetic towards the aims and objectives year, as it is anticipated that the Supply of the Alliance Party, but that is an Bill will have become law by then. The entirely a different matter from saying Schedule to the Bill sets out the appro- that the Government, through the priations for the various individual Treasury or through Bank Negara, puts services for this period. political pressure on them. Those are Sir, I beg to move. two entirely separate issues, and I say again that that statement is a vicious Tuan V. Manickavasagam : Sir, I beg lie ! to second the motion. Question put, and agreed to. Mr Speaker: In accordance with Bill accordingly read a second time Standing Order 68A, there is no debate and committed to a Committee of the on this Bill. whole House. Question put, and agreed to. House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill. Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the Bill considered in Committee. whole House. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill. Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill. Bill considered in Committee. Bill reported without amendment; (Mr Speaker in the Chair) read the third time and passed. Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill. THE CONSOLIDATED FUND (EXPENDITURE ON ACCOUNT) Schedule ordered to stand part of the BILL Bill. Second Reading Bill reported without amendment : The Assistant Minister of Finance read the third time and passed. (Dr Ng Kam Poh): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an THE MUNICIPAL (AMENDMENT) Act to apply a sum out of the Conso- BILL lidated Fund to the service of the year Second Reading ending on the thirty-first day of Decem- Tuan Khaw Kai Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, ber, 1967" be now read a second time. - I beg to move that a Bill entitled "an In accordance with the practice, Act to amend the Municipal Ordinance" which has been followed for the past be now read a second time. few years, this Bill is proposed in order Sir, the Bill is a simple and straight to provide transitional authority for forward one which seeks to amend Government expenditure for the first section 29 of the Municipal Ordinance three months of 1967, as the annual to enable Municipalities to expend Supply Bill for 1967 will not have monies for promoting the use of the passed through both Houses and National Language and also to expend received the Royal Assent by the monies or making payments to any beginning of the new financial year. philanthrophic, religious, educational or This arrangement is in accordance with other similar institutions. No payment, Article 102A of the Constitution. however, will be made to any member of the staff in connection with or for The Bill which is now before the passing a National Language examina- House, therefore, provides for the issue tion. from the Consolidated Fund of a sum of $456,699,600 which is calculated to I might also add that the suggestion provide for the service of Government to amend the Municipal Ordinance 2491 26 OCTOBER 1966 2492 accordingly was originally made by the Legislative Assembly, of which I am Consultative Committee of Municipal also a Member, Mr Speaker, Sir, has Corporations in December, 1964, and accepted in principle the setting up of a since then they had been pressing for it. library, but we all know how the wheels of Government machinery grind ever As required under Article 95A of the so slowly. We have now, in this capital Malaysian Constitution, the Bill has city, a Book Club that has been in also been agreed to by the National existence for more than 30 years, and Council for Local Government at a it caters mainly for the growing popula- meeting held recently. tion of this capital city, namely, the Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move. school children. Consequently, I, for one, am very glad that this Bill is Dr Lim Swee Aun: Sir, I beg to before this House and, when we pass second the motion. it, as I said, if and when we encounter difficulties with the Pesurohjaya, Ibu Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Mr Speaker, Kota, may we appeal then over his Sir, I would like to congratulate the head to the Minister for Local Govern- Minister for Local Government and ment and Housing. Thank you. Housing in bringing this Bill before this House, in particular, in the Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Explanatory Statement where it says, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga turut "to enable the Municipality to expend memberi tahniah dan terima kaseh monies or making payments to any kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri yang philanthrophic, religious, educational mengemukakan Rang Undang2 mi. or other similar institutions". Now, Mr Salah satu daripada-nya yang menarek Speaker, Sir, a few years ago, when I perhatian saya is-lah di-dalam ke- was the President of the Kuala Lumpur terangan di-bawah, is-itu bahagian (b) Book Club-and I hope the Minister yang membolehkan Municipality mem- will regard the Kuala Lumpur Book belanjakan bagi mengadakan bangunan2 Club as an educational institution-we yang berchorak ugama dan berchorak did make an application to the Munici- pelajaran, bagitu juga berkenaan dengan pality then for a grant for a very philanthropy. worthwhile cause, because we were almost subsidising the students of this Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya rasa capital city of Kuala Lumpur into kalau-lah tujuan ini betul2 hendak di- becoming members; they were paying, laksanakan dan terlaksana, maka akan I think a paltry dollar per quarter, and berlaku-lah satu perubahan dalam we felt that the Municipality should masharakat kita dari segi akhlak-ia- help us to provide such facilities not itu di-dalam bandar2 yang besar, kita only by way of lending them books, dapati yang banyak-nya is-lah pang- but also by way of enabling them to go gong wayang, di-tempat2 yang masha- and work in an airconditioned research rakat kita menchari masa lapang dan room comfort and other reading space keseronokan-tetapi terlalu kurang in the Kuala Lumpur Book Club. I tempat2 yang mengasoh jiwa dan do hope that, with the passage of this rohani. Jadi, dengan ada-nya Bill ini Bill, the Kuala Lumpur Book Club, if dan kita luluskan, maka saya berharap and when it makes an application-I supaya institution yang sa-macham ini know the Municipality of Kuala Lum- dapat berjalan di-samping institution pur is hard pressed-the Pesurohjaya, yang berchorak tempat2 hiboran. Ibu Kota, will consider our request sympathetically. Berkenaan dengan (a), Tuan Yang di-Pertua, is-itu membolehkan Munici- Mr Speaker, Sir, it is a crying shame pality ini membelanjakan berkenaan that Kuala Lumpur, and capital city of dengan National Language. Saya chuba Malaysia, has no public library. We na' kaitkan, kalau ta' betul Tuan boleh have been talking for donkeys years tegor saya; is-itu saya berharap di- about a National Library and that looks dalam chara2 membelanjakan berkenaan like a pipe dream. The Selangor State dengan Bahasa kebangsaan ini biar-lah 2493 26 OCTOBER 1966 2494 dengan sempurna dan jujor bukan-lah I have little doubt that the Federal pula sa-mata2 hendak mengadakan Capital Commissioner will give it his papan2 pertanda tetapi biar-lah per- due consideration in due course. laksanaan itu untok betul2 kita hendak menggunakan bahasa kebangsaan dan With regard to the Honourable jangan di-salah-gunakan duit itu. Satu, Member for Bachok, try as I did, I apa kita panggil photostat, Tuan Yang must frankly confess I could not di-Pertua, ada pada saya salah satu understand what he was talking about daripada Pejabat Kerajaan atau pun all the time, except that he was saying yang semi-Kerajaan telah melantek something about a piece of paper beberapa orang menjadi berbagai2 which has something to do with jawatan dengan kuat-kuasa meng- Bahasa Kebangsaan. At any rate, gunakan wang sa-olah2 kuat-kuasa with regard to his compliments, I yang di-beri kapada Municipality thank him for saying them. di-dalam Rang Undang2 ini juga. Dan lantekan itu di-buat betul2 mengikut Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: fikiran-nya sendiri dan saga dapat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tadi tahu ketua Jabatan itu tidak tahu mengemukakan beberapa perkara, langsong perkara2 ini dan copy ini Menteri ta' jawab itu. loose copy-tidak ada nombor, bagitu bagini, letter-head-nya dia pakai hak Mr Speaker: Itu-lah, perkara yang Kerajaan. Kemudian daripada itu, senang jangan di-bagi susah-pusing pada tarikh yang di-katakan hendak sana, pusing sini (Ketawa). ada perjumpaan itu, meeting itu yang Question put, and agreed to. sa-benar-nya saya dapat tahu tidak berlaku meeting itu. Bill accordingly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the Kalau bagitu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, whole House. saya tidak hendak berchakap di-atas perkara ini, tetapi kaftan dengan House immediately resolved itself menggunakan wang untok bahasa into a Committee on the Bill. kebangsaan itu-is-itu segala perbelan- jaan di-tanggong oleh Kerajaan Pusat, Bill considered in Committee. erti-nya di-tanggong oleh pehak yang (Mr Speaker in the Chair) menjemput, sedang perkara itu tidak berlaku. Dan saya bimbang walau pun Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand meeting itu tidak berlaku, wang-nya part of the Bill. keluar juga. Saya tidak mahu cherita daripada mana surat ini tetapi kalau Bill reported without amendment; Kerajaan chabar saya, saya boleh ber- read the third time and passed. chakap bukan sahaja di-dalam Dewan tetapi di-luar Dewan pun saya berani THE STANDARDS BILL berchakap-chuma saya tidak mahu Second Reading sebut di-mana department-nya dan, apa kertas-nya. The Minister of Commerce and Industry (Dr Lim Swee Aun): Mr Speaker, Sir, Jadi, ini-lah yang Saya harap, chara2 I beg to move that the Standards Bill yang balk yang sa-macham ini tidak be now read a second time. di-salah-gunakan oleh pegawai2-saya tidak katakan Kerajaan dan Menteri. With the rapid industrialisation that Itu sahaja, Tuan Yang di-Petua. is taking place in Malaysia, it is Terima kaseh. important that the quality of our products must satisfy the consumers Tuan Khaw Ka -Bah: Mr Speaker, both at home and abroad. There must, Sir, I would like to thank the Honour- therefore, be a body with legal able Member for Batu, for his kind powers- sentiments, which are rare and far (1) to lay down the standards of between. With regard to the applica- products, processes and prac- tion from the Book Club for assistance, tices in Malaysia; 2495 26 OCTOBER 1966 2496

(2) to promote standardisation in health or welfare of the public, the industry and commerce; import, manufacture, sale or use of any (3) to promote industrial efficiency particular article, if it does not conform development; and with a particular standard specification. (4) to promote public and industrial The Institution will be financed welfare, health and safety. mainly from an annual Government grant. However, it will be earning Sir, this Bill seeks to establish such money through the sale of standard a body which will be called the specifications and the use of its Standards Institution of Malaysia. The standards mark. Another source of governing body of the Institution will revenue to the Standards Institution be a Council whose membership is will be fees from membership of the drawn from Government, the profes- Institution from trade and Industrial sional bodies, commerce and industry, organisations and other relevant bodies, consumers and labour. The day-to-day which will need to become members running of the Institution, however, of the Standards Institution of Malay- will be in the charge of an Executive sia. It may receive donations and may, Committee appointed by the Council. with the approval of the Treasury, Several technical committees will be borrow money. Proper accounts will be set up to study and recommend to the kept, audited and laid before Parlia- Council what standards should be ment every year. adopted. Once adopted by the Council, and with the consent of the Minister, Further details of the Bill may be copyrights for such standard specifi- found in the Explanatory Statement cations can be applied for and be in attached to it. force for 50 years. The Council may Sir, I beg to move. apply to the Registrar of Trade Marks for the registration of any mark as a The Minister of Labour (Tuan certification trade mark. Any person V. Manickavasagam): Sir, I beg to may apply to the Council to use this second the motion. standard mark in connection with any product, process or practice. The Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Mr Speaker, Council may grant an yearly licence Sir, it is not often that I agree whole- to use this standard mark, if it is heartedly with the Government, but in satisfied that the product, process or this case, I agree wholeheartedly with practice conforms with the Council's the Minister of Commerce and Industry standard specification. It may also and, in particular, with this Standards suspend or revoke any licence so Bill that he has laid before this House. granted. However, any person who makes any statement or representation, Mr Speaker, Sir, this Bill is long or uses any mark which is likely to overdue. Actually, for the benefit of convey that any commodity, process, those who have embarked on indus- or practice complies with the standard trialisation and who are about to specifications when it does not, shall embark on industrialisation, this Bill be guilty of an offence and shall be is vitally necessary more particularly liable on conviction to a fine not when one hears the Minister of exceeding $10,000 and in the case of a Commerce and Industry saying that continuing offence a further fine not the local consumers are very choosey exceeding $100 for every day on which and brand-conscious; so, if we have a the offence is continued. Standards Bill, we can tell the con- sumers, "Look here, these things The Yang di-Pertuan Agong may conform to accepted international make rules requiring any department standards", and it will make it very of the Government or any public much easier to sell them to the local corporation, to recognise and make use consumers. Equally important, Mr of standard specifications in the exer- Speaker, Sir, is that when you go on cise of his functions and may prohibit an export market, we can tell them, in any matter affecting the safety, "Look here, these standards that we 2497 26 OCTOBER 1966 2498

have adopted are no less vigorous right UMNO and Alliance members, than that of the B.S.S., for example". or people who are closely connected I hope, when this Bill comes into with the ruling party. Now, this, Mr operation , the standards that we will Speaker, Sir, is a tragic thing in this adopt will be no less vigorous than country, because in the case of that those of internationally accepted Trust Fund, at that time I said that standards for the various commodities it should have the support from all that we will be manufacturing. sections of the community . Now, the very fact that you have made it almost Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, my only an Alliance Trust Fund, you will find regret is that we see on this side of the that people, like me, would not want House that there are a very few people to contribute to it and would say, present. We received this Bill yester- "Why should I throw my money down day, and consequently this Bill is a the drain there?" But if it were com- very important Bill, Mr Speaker, Sir, posed of people, with a very few not for me, but it is a very important Alliance members if you must, people Bill for the industrialists in this who have nothing to do with politics, country and, properly speaking, this people who can contribute eminently Bill should be in their hands as well, to the administration of such a fund, so that they can study the implications then you will have a wider support. and, perhaps, make recommendations to the Minister. I hope that in future, Mr Speaker, lSir, if you will look at whether it is the Minister of Commerce the various people, who are to become and Industry, or any other Minister, members of the Standards Council, you they will give not only us in this side will see that it is heavily loaded with of the House but also those outside Government nominees. Perhaps, that this House, the people directly con- may be advisable-I do not know, but cerned, some time to study a Bill of only time will tell. It is also loaded this nature. Right now, I do not think heavily with representatives of capital any of the manufacturers in this and that, perhaps, is also a necessary country have had a look at this Bill thing since this S.I.M. is to decide on and, as I said, the Minister must have whether their products should be given noticed me looking very carefully at the label of conformity standards or this Bill right now. I have had very should not be. little opportunity last night or during the day to look at this very important Mr Speaker, Sir, if you will look at Bill. the other composition-it is on page 4, Clause 6 (1) (n)-you will see that the The only thing that I wish to Minister of Labour has one lonely , Mr Speaker, commend to the Minister representative to appoint. Bearing in Sir, is in regard to the composition of mind that the wealth of the capitalists . Now, Sir, I bring this to the Council in this country is generated by the the notice of the House, because on sweat, tears and the toil of labour, another occasion when we were de- one would have thought that the bating the Tunku Abdul Rahman Minister of Labour would have fought Foundation Trust Bill, I did bring up for more representatives of labour in to the notice of this House that in the such a Council The, Clause 6 (1) (o) composition of the trustees of that says, "one member. appointed by the Trust, the Government would, we Minister to represent consumer organi- hoped, see to it that people from all walks of life would be appointed to sations". Now , Mr Speaker , Sir, it is such a body-and I see the Minister true that the consumer organisation of Lands and Mines down here and in this country is a flop , but that is no it was he who introduced that Bill. excuse for the Minister to ignore the Since then, the composition of that consumer in this country for, after all, Trust or the membership of that Trust it is consumer who matters in this Foundation has been published and, country : if he does not want to buy as one looks at it, it is almost your locally manufactured goods, no completely composed of either out- amount of yelling in the press, or in 2499 26 OCTOBER 1966 2500 the House, by the Minister of Com- Mr Speaker, Sir, there is finally one merce and Industry, will persuade the point of clarification that I wish to consumers to buy the locally manu- seek from the Minister and that is on factured goods. page 1, such Clause 3 (a) which says, "appoint industry standards committees The other thing is that, Mr Speaker, to advise the Council on questions of Sir, Clause 6 (l )Jp) says "two members standardization as they affect parti- appointed by the Minister who shall cular industries". I take it that the be persons who by reason of their Minister is thinking in terms of eminence in public life or otherwise appointing various committees for the appear to the Minister to be suitably various industries. This is a thing that is little ambiguous to me at least, and qualified for membership". Mr Speaker, I for one will be very glad for a Sir, this to me, again, is very sad clarification from the Minister. because the Minister has only judged two people "who by reason of their Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: eminence in public life ....." Is the Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan izin Minister trying to tell us in this House tuan, saya turut berchakap sadikit that there are only two people in the dalam Rang Undang2 ini. Memang- whole of Malaysia who by reason of lah sudah sampai masa-nya kita their eminence in public life can mengemukakan Rang Undang2 yang contribute, to the working of such a sa-macham ini supaya barang2 penge- Council? One would have thought luaran dalam negara kita ini dapat that the Minister would like to rope di-ketahul mutu-nya yang sa-benar in many more people of this calibre sama ada dari segi perniagaan biasa to a Council like this, because they mahu pun dari segi undang2 is-itu can contribute-to give an example to legal power, kuasa undang2, untok the Minister, in the University, you menentukan mutu satu2 barang itu have a whole heap of people who can amat-lah mustahak di-dalam sa-sabuah usefully contribute to such a Council. negara. They have people who are well versed in the letters, in the professions and Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan tertu- yet you only limit to two people from boh-nya Council ini atau pun badan that category. Now, I would appeal ini dengan tugas2-nya yang empat to the Minister for Commerce and is itu (a), (b), (c) dan (d) saperti mana Industry since, by tabling this Bill dalam Clause (3), dapat-lah kita only yesterday, virtually he has pre- mengawal barang2 kita daripada ke- vented any one of us in this side of the nyataan2 yang palsu. Erti-nya kalau House to propose any amendment to kita hendak mengirim keluar, kita this Bill; consequently I would appeal hendak export barang2 kita, dapat-lah to him to give due weight to what I kita tentukan barang2 itu daripada have said to increase the representation jenis (a) atau pun (b) atau pun (c). by the Minister of Labour to increase Dan dengan demikian orange yang the consumer representative from one hendak membeli daripada luar negeri and, most important still, to increase pun dapat-lah tabu kedudokan mutu these members appointed by the atau pun quality barang itu sendiri. Minister, who shall be persons who by reasons of their eminence in public Sa-lain daripada itu, kita juga dapat life-this is the category that I would mengawal barang2 yang masok is-itu appeal to the Minister and I think a kita tahu quality barang2 yang masok, number of ten is not too small. Of sama ada barang2 itu balk betul atau course, from these people who have pun merbahaya, Tuan Yang di- distinguished themselves in all walks Pertua, di-dalam tugas (b) is-itu dalam of life-the Minister can get funds Clause (3), membuat undang2 menentu- and a wealth of know-how who can kan standard untok hendak menjaga usefully contribute to the well being mutu barang2 yang di-keluarkan di- of this S.I.M., particularly as we are dalam negeri ini atau pun di-bawa launching into an unchartered sea. masok; bagitu juga dalam (d) to 2501 26 OCTOBER 1966 2502 promote public and industrial welfare, Ada dua jenis, kata-nya, di-bawa health and safety. masok daripada negeri China Kominis dan lagi satu daripada Hong Kong. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tugas ini saga Ada yang di-tiru di-buat di-negara teringat ada beberapa mithal yang kita ini. Jadi saya tidak ingat dengan baik-nya. Tetapi dukachita kerana tepat-nya ada-kah yang di-bawa masok Rang Undang2 ini di-beri kelmarin itu atau yang di-buat di-dalam negara tidak sempat orang hendak mempela- kita ini memberi bahaya. Tetapi ^a- jari dengan elok. Saya pun tidak tahu orang doctor juga, sa-orang Senator mengapa Rang Undang2 ini di-beri kita, saya tidak ingat nama-nya, dia mengejut bagitu, padahal bulan yang sudah bawa barang itu dan sudah sudah, saya ada membacha dalam membuat analisa sa-chara sendiri. Dia surat khabar Malay Mail, kalau tidak dapati barang ini bahaya dan dia salah saya, is-itu Yang Berhormat sudah hantar kapada Ministry dan Menteri kita ada mencheritakan kapada Menteri kita diam sahaja tidak ambil orang ramai, kapada public, is-itu ada tahu sama ada Menteri Perdagangan satu undang2 yang di-namakan Hire atau Menteri Kesihatan. Purchase meminta fikiran orang ramai Jadi dengan ada Rang Undang2 ini dan orange yang berkenaan. saya suka menghidupkan barang itu Jadi kalau undang2 sa-macham itu balek. Tetapi yang paling memalukan sudah ada dan pernah di-ishtiharkan negara kita, saya lupa, kalau tidak di-dalam surat khabar, bagaimana betul Menteri boleh betulkan-Menteri Rang Undang2 ini di-beri kelmarin Perdagangan-kah atau Kesihatan-kah. Dia menjawab kapada Senator kita baharu hendak di-sembunyikan atau itu "Why you worry? Ada berapa pun ada sa-suaau perkara yang meng- ribu orang sudah mati kerana ubat untongkan Menteri itu? Tidak patut itu?" Itu bukan satu jawapan di- di-buat bagitu. Jadi saya suka hendak dalam Parlimen. menarek perhatian, Tuan Yang di- Pertua, berkenaan dengan (d) tali dan Dr Lim Swee Ann : Mr Speaker, saya perchaya benda ini sudah ada which Minister? dalam fikiran Menteri yang berkenaan is-itu kita hendak menjaga kesihatan Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: dan juga hendak menjaga barang2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya lupa yang di-bawa masok ka-dalam negeri Menteri mana. Tetapi wording itu in'. boleh kita tengok dalam Hansard. Ada bagitu. Banyak lagi, Tuan Yang di- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Yang Ber- Pertua, perkara2 yang bersangkut-paut hormat Menteri Perdagangan kita sa- dengan Rang Undang2 ini tetapi tidak orang doctor dan dia tahu berkenaan sempat kita hendak membahathkan medicine chukup baik. Boleh jadi atau pun hendak mengemukakan pen- termasok di-dalam ingatan-nya is-itu dapat2 kerana Rang Undang2 ini barang2 yang di-bawa masok ka-dalam terlalu tergesa2 di-beri. negara kita ada satu benda yang saya bagi sa-bagai mithal, yang tidak di- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-samping peduli oleh negeri kita, oleh Menteri kita suka hendak menentukan standard kita, boleh jadi kerana tidak ada Rang barang2 kita sama ada yang di-bawa Undang2 yang saperti ini is-itu ubat masok atau pun yang kita sendiri nyamok (mosquito coil). Ubat nyamok produce di-sini, saya rasa hairan di- ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-bawa dalam Rang Undang2 ini is-itu yang masok ka-sini standard-nya kita tidak ada-nya is-lah tugas2 badan ini dan tahu baik-kah atau pun tidak baik kuasa2-nya. Tetapi tidak ada langsong dan ini saya telah membacha dalam pertolongan, provision, di-dalam ini satu majallah, tidak sempat saya yang menolong pehak2 perusahaan membawa majallah itu di-sini sebab yang kechil yang tidak layak menjadi Rang Undang2 ini saya baru tabu keluarga di-dalam perusahaan2 besar kelmarin is-itu ubat yang sa-macham yang sampai standard-nya tidak ada itu bahaya. pertolongan. Jadi dengan demikian, 2503 26 OCTOBER 1966 2504

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini sudah men- terhadap doctor2 atau pun guru2. jadi satu monopolistik bil is-itu dia Orang yang tidak menjadi guru, boleh mengadakan satu kaum perusa- mithal-nya, ada lagi lebeh baik dari- haan yang standard barang2-nya tinggi pada guru2 Keraj aan, tetapi oleh yang perusahaan-nya not up to the kerana dia bukan guru Kerajaan, maka standard, dengan sendiri-nya akan mati kuasa-nya tidak ada. di-dalam negara kita. Jadi, bagini-lah juga dengan peru- Jadi tidak berlaku-lah apa yang sahaan kita ini kalau orange itu tidak di-katakan rapid industrialisation sa- di-jemput sama lebeh ramai, maka bagaimana Menteri kita sebut tali. perusahaan2 kechil itu akan mati. Jadi ini bukan-lah hendak menolong Kalau tidak perchaya, kita tunggu-lah dia punya rapidity itu, tetapi hendak hal perkara mi. Yang pelek-nya, Tuan mematikan lagi. Ini, Tuan Yang di- Yang di-Pertua, Bill ini sa-patut-nya Pertua, saya nampak ini boleh jadi tidak-lah di-susahkan sangat oleh satu chara-lah yang biasa di-jalankan Kementerian kita. Kementerian Perda- oleh Kerajaan kita ini yang tidak ada gangan boleh mengemukakan satu pun peruntokan atau pun satu provi- Rang Undang2, tetapi mutu-nya, sion yang hendak menolong perusa- nature-hakikat, atau pun arrange- haanZ kechil. ment-nya, segala kuasa-nya perkara2 yang tersebut di-dalam ini, sa-patut- Sa-patut-nya di-dalam keanggotaan nya kita serahkan kapada gulongan yang di-sebutkan entah berapa banyak yang di-namakan entrepreneurs-tidak yang Menteri itu hendak lantek. Ini kita buat sendiri. Jadi, orang ini yang perkara yang industry yang Menteri lebeh ada kaftan, lebeh concern itu hendak lantek, saya ta' tahu apa dengan perkara' yang sa-macham tujuan-nya. ini-bukan Kementerian kita. Sa-patut-nya tiap2 orang yang meng- Jadi, ini Kementerian kita sudah adakan perusahaan yang berdaf tar, hendak menjalankan guided demo- yang ber-register supaya dia itu di- cracy, guided economy, erti-nya dia jemput menjadi member di-dalam ini hendak membuat sendiri, pada hal supaya dia dapat di-kaji perusahaan2- dahulu dalam Budget meeting Menteri nya itu sama ada barang2 keluaran- kita juga kata benda ini kita akan nya itu dapat di-bawa kapada standard serahkan kapada entrepreneurs. yang di-kehendaki, tetapi tidak di- sebutkan di-dalam mi. Boleh jadi ada Pada hari ini, Menteri kita membuat Clause2-nya umum yang Menteri kita bagini. Saya tidak nampak provision akan kata ini sudah di-masokkan di- di-sini di-beri banyak pada pehak2 situ. Tentu-lah dia jawab bagitu. entrepreneurs is-itu orange yang di- lantek oleh Menteri ini, Menteri ini, Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita Menteri Education pun ada, barang- nampak sekarang ini chara yang sa- kali text book, kok buku pun ada macham ini tidak dapat menolong yang hendak di-beri sampai kapada perusahaan2 yang kechil, malah dengan standard-nya beri tinggi supaya jangan sendiri-nya barang2 yang tidak sampai di-serahkan kapada press lain, tetapi kapada standard, tetapi sudah runner- di-serahkan kapada perchetakan Far up, yang dekat2 dengan sendiri-nya East, mithal-nya. Jadi, kita tidak beri sudah jatoh, sebab dia tidak mem- peluang kapada entrepreneurs di- punyai trade mark, dan dia tidak ada dalam negara kita inf. Jadi, itu-lah legal pengakuan A-kah, B-kah. Jadi benda2 yang saya minta jaminan bila orang tanya company mana? daripada Menteri kita ini dan me- Company Abu Bakar Hamzah. Kamu minta jawapan. Jangan-lah dia diam dapat A-kah? Ada-kah legal benda sahaja. Itu satu pukulan yang hebat itu? Tidak ada. Jadi, dengan sendiri- kapada saya sa-bagaimana yang ber- nya barang2 itu sudah turun. laku tali. Dan lagi satu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Dr Lim Swee Aun Mr Speaker, Sir, pengakuan legal terhadap barang ini I must thank both speakers for sama juga dengan pengakuan legal supporting this Bill, and it is regretted 2505 26 OCTOBER 1966 2506 that this Bill should have been taken chase Bill which effects everybody so soon-the Bill was scheduled to be straightaway. That was why I the last one on the agenda. The House welcomed views of those concerned. was supposed to meet till Friday, but The regulations and rules will be made because the Opposition benchers have later; hence there was not this allowed all the other Bills to go necessity to give such a long delay on through so fast, they had not got the this. time to study this Bill in more detail. The Honourable Member for Sir, the Honourable Member for Bachok raised the point about the Batu has raised the point about the import of mosquito coils, which were composition of the Council. We have claimed to be dangerous and sub- tried to bring in as wide a representa- standard. There is already an existing tion as possible, not only from the law-Powers are already given to the Government but also from the different Ministry of Health to ban any professions, commerce, industry, con- imports effecting health, if the Minis- sumer and labour. The point here is ter is satisfied that there is danger. In that this is quite a technical body, and this particular case brought up by the it is not a question that just because Honourable Senator Dato' Dr Cheah Toon Lok who claimed that D.D.T. you do not have more consumers, the was used in the mosquito coils made standards will not be accepted. I by Communist China and, therefore, would like to make it very clear here is a danger to the public health here, that there will be very many more there was a meeting held between him sub-committees called Technical Com- and, on my introduction, the experts. mittees appointed by the Council and the chemists, and the others in the they can appoint members, who are Ministry of Health, but they were not not on the Council, but people outside, certain whether D.D.T. was definitely to become members of these Technical a poison when inhaled. However, as a Committees. This is where we draw precaution, the Ministry of Health has on the brains of the country on a already put in a ban, subject to further voluntary basis to come and take part studies on the import of mosquito coils in studying and working out the to see if the content of D.D.T. is high. different standards. As pointed out by the Honourable Member in regard to Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point Clause 12 (3) (a), there will be of clarification, Mr Speaker, Sir, since committees to appoint industries the Honourable Minister of Commerce standard committees. Now, these com- and Industry and I are both medical mittees will be broken up for the men, and we speak the same language, different industries like engineering, is he not aware that-and it is medical, food, wood and things like regrettable that the Ministry of Health that; and then, again, there will be is not aware-the Medical Journals sub-committees to study particular have stated in several articles in no items. The important part comes when uncertain terms that the use of D.D.T. these committees make their recom- is detrimental to health, amongst mendations for their standard specifi- other things it causes hepatitis and the cations. The widest publicity will then like; and the Senator Dato' Dr Cheah, be given to all concerned what those who is also a medical man, has made specifications are, and every manu- an intensive study of it, and he has facturer and every consumer, not only undoubtedly briefed the Honourable in this country but also abroad, would Minister for Commerce and Industry have the opportunity of studying these on the deleterious effect of D.D.T. on specifications. It is only after a health; and finally the Ministry of thorough examination that the Council Health knows, and the Minister of will then, when it is satisfied, adopt Commerce and Industry knows, that the specifications. So that safeguard is Singapore has banned the mosquito there. coils that contain D.D.T. This Bill is a general enabling Bill Dr Lim Swee Aun: We accept that and very much unlike the Hire Pur- D.D.T. is a poison, and we also know 2507 26 OCTOBER 1966 2508 that D.D.T. is being sprayed on the Bill considered in Committee. walls of houses as a preventive measure against malaria. The question (Mr Speaker in the Chair) here is whether burning of mosquito Clauses 1 to 29 inclusive ordered to coils containing D.D.T. would be stand part of the Bill. dangerous to health. So, unless the Ministry of Health is satisfied that Bill reported without amendments; there is danger, then the law does not read the third time and passed. allow them to prevent the importation of such materials which, however, as ADJOURNMENT I said, have already been banned, pending further investigation. (Motion) Tuan Tan Siew Sin : Sir, I beg to move Now the Honourable Member for that the House do now adjourn. Bachok has stated that he regrets that there is no provision for this Bill to Dr Lim Swee Aun : Sir, I beg to help small industries, or the small second the motion. factories, to attain standards. Sir, the whole object of this exercise, the whole purpose of this Bill, is to get a legal ADJOURNMENT SPEECH body to define standards; it is not its job to tell you how to do it. However, KESULITAN DAN KESUSAHAN in defining standards for a particular PEKERJA2 DI-PELABOHAN product, it would encourage the small PULAU PINANG man and the big man to produce goods Tuan Ismail bin Idris (Penang Selatan): up to that standard if he wants sales, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagaimana if he wants to satisfy the market, yang telah di-siarkan di-dalam otherwise as the Honourable Member akhbar2, telah pun di-suarakan, be- has said, the consumer would not berapa perasaan ta' puas hati terhadap buy. Indirectly, it is promoting the pekerja2 yang bekerja di-dalam pela- improvement in quality of our local bohan Pulau Pinang. Apakala kuat- products. The question of who should kuasa satu perkara peratoran yang assist the small factories to improve telah di-kuat-kuasakan pada 1 hb the standards is another question. It Oktober, 1966, itu, ada-lah di-dapati does not come within the province of sungutan2 daripada pekerja2 dan juga the Standards Institution of Malaya. It sungutan2 daripada crang2 yang telah should come within the small indus- tidak di-benarkan bekerja di-pela- tries technical service bodies. Now, this bohan itu. is another subject, and my Ministry is looking into the question of setting up Tuan Yang di-Pertua, suka-lah saga a small Industries Technical Service to hendak menyatakan di-sini is-itu sa- help the smaller factories to improve belum peratoran2 ini di-kuat-kuasakan the quality of their product. In point maka pekerja2 yang bekerja di- of fact, the National Productivity pelabohan Pulau Pinang itu ada-lah Centre is also indirectly helping such bekerja di-bawah arahan majikan2-nya factories to improve their production, sendiri, dan ada kala-nya di-antara and if factories do not reach the pekerja2 yang bilangan-nya di-antara standards specified and accepted later, 2,500 sa-hingga 2,800 orang itu ada well, their sales naturally will go yang bekerja di-antara 10 hingga 12 down. hari pada sa-bulan, dengan mendapat gaji atau elaun di-antara $40 dan Question put, and agreed to. $60; dan ada pula di-antara mereka itu yang bekerja lebeh lama, lebeh Bill accordingly read a second time jauh, dan mendapat pendapatan lebeh and committed to a Committee of the kurang di-antara $180 hingga $200, ini Whole House. di-sebabkan oleh pekerjaan overtime atau pun bekerja lebehmasa. Sunggoh House immediately resolved itself pun bagitu ada di-dapati kebaikan2 into a Committee on the Bill. yang berlaku, umpama-nya, apakala 2509 26 OCTOBER 1966 2510 buroh2 itu bekerja di-dalam sa-buah langsong warga negara negeri ini yang kapal dan apakala barang2 itu sudah mahu bekerja. di-punggah habis maka pekerja2 itu tidak-lah di-benarkan lagi bekerja Tetapi hari ini saperti mana yang mengikut apa yang sedang di-jalankan saya sebutkan tadi, maseh ada lagi mengikut atoran undang2 baharu mi. 1,360 yang pada masa dahulu bekerja sa-bagai buroh kasar hari ini tidak Umpama-nya apakala mereka itu mempunyai kerja sama sa-kali. Maka bekerja dan menghabiskan punggahan oleh yang demikian saya rasa tidak- mereka tersebut, bererti di-benarkan lah adil bagi orange yang bertanggong- pulang mendapat gaji atau pun elaun jawab mengambil orange ini sa-belum yang sa-chukup-nya. Tetapi mengikut warga negara ini di-beri kerja. kuat-kuasa atoran yang sedang ber- jalan ini, tiap2 sa-orang pekerja itu Kita ambil ingatan hari ini, di- hendak-lah bekerj a sa-kurang2-nya Singapura tidak di-benarkan orange lapan jam sama ada punggahan2 itu yang bukan warga negara bekerja di- habis atau tidak, mereka hendak-lah dalam negeri Singapura tetapi kita menunggu sa-hingga lapan jam. Ini mempunyai ra`ayat yang bagini menunjokkan perbezaan di-antara banyak, yang mempunyai ra`ayat tidak pekerja2 yang bekerja sa^belum di-kuat- ada kerj a bagini banyak, kita ketepikan kuasakan peratoran ini dan apakala orange yang sa-macham mi. Maka oleh kuat-kuasa ini di-jalankan. yang demikian ini-lah satu sungutan Apabila kuat-kuasa ini di-jalankan yang paling rumit dan beberapa semenjak lhb Oktober, maka buroh2 pekerja2 dan society2 di-sana sudah ini atau pekerja2 ini telah pun men- membuat bantahan2 terhadap perjalan- jalankan pendaftaran dari hari ini an yang di-jalankan oleh atoran dan ada-lah di-ketahui mengikut jawapan peratoran mi. yang telah di-beri oleh Menteri Buroh Dalam soal orange yang sedang kapada soal yang di-kemukakan oleh bekerja pula, saya kata tadi, mengikut Wakil Tanjong sa-banyak 1,326 atoran ini di-bahagi kapada tiga sahaja. Maka yang sa-lebeh-nya yang bahagian is-itu orange yang bekerja saya katakan tali dari 2,500 orang dari pukul 8 sa-hingga 6 petang, itu apakala di-tolak 1,326 maka lebeh orange yang bekerja dari pukul 6 sa- kurang 1,174 orang lagi maseh meng- hingga pukul 3 pagi dan orange yang anggor. Ini ada-lah daripada sebab2 bekerja dari pukul 3 pagi sa-hingga yang hasil peratoran yang di-buat pukul 8 pagi-tiga tingkatan. Orange pada 1 haribulan Oktober mi. yang bekerja di-waktu pukul 6 petang Di-dalam pendaftaran buroh ini, sa-hingga pukul 3 pagi ada-lah susah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya telah di- yang mereka itu, apakala pukul 3 pagi f ahamkan ada di-antara buroh2 yang sudah habis kerja mereka naik ka- di-daf tarkan dalam 1,326 ini terdiri darat, mereka naik dan berj alan pulang. daripada buroh2 yang sedang atau pun Boleh jadi di-antara mereka itu ada telah ada mempunyai pekerjaan-sa- yang tinggal lima enam batu jauh bahagian kechil mereka itu ada mem- daripada tempat is bekerja. Maka oleh punyai pekerjaan. Ini ada-lah lagi yang demikian ini ada-lah satu kesusa- satu kesusahan untok hendak meng- han pada mereka itu. Tetapi pada ambil orange yang sedang menganggor masa dahulu mereka itu ada-lah di- hari mi. benarkan supaya tinggal di-rumah di- dalam satu kawasan yang di-khaskan Lagi satu perkara yang menyusah oleh majikan, tetapi hari ini perkara dan tidak menyenangkan hati orange itu tidak berlaku dan kuat-kuasa ini di-sana kerana di-dapati sa-bahagian di-jalankan. daripada orange yang berdaftar hari ini is-lah orang' yang bukan warga Oleh itu supaya orang yang ber- negara negeri ini. Saya tidak-lah lagi tanggong-jawab dalam hal ini dapat hendak membangkang daripada peng- menyiasat satu atoran supaya melihat ambilan orange yang bukan warga atau menasihatkan majikan2 ini meno- negara jika sa-kira-nya tidak ada long orange buroh2 kasar itu jangan 2511 26 OCTOBER 1966 2512

mendapat bagitu susah di-dalam han Pulau Pinang. Chara bekerja dan keadaan menjalankan urusan masing2. pekerja sambilan yang berlebehan atau casual labour, menimbulkan beberapa Satu lagi perkara yang saya suka kesulitan. Bukan sahaja kechekapan mengingatkan di-sini, walau pun atoran bekerja dan kemajuan di-pelabohan telah ada di-dalam atoran2 baharu di- tersebut dalam jangka panjang-nya jalankan kuat-kuasa-nya itu tetapi di- akan terancham oleh ada-nya kesuli- waktu pukul 3 pagi sa-hingga jam 7 tan2 ini, juga buroh2 tersebut tidak ada pagi itu, tidak sama sa-kali di-benar- jaminan bekerja, tidak ada pendapatan kan bekerja. Saya tidak tahu apa yang tetap, tidak ada perlindongan sebab-nya, satu peratoran memberi dari Undang2 Buroh saperti E.P.F. wang lebeh $5 lebeh, maka dengan dan Workmen's Compensation. Kerana sebab itu-lah saya rasa agent2 tidak sebab2 ini-lah maka Kerajaan telah mahu mengeluarkan wang yang sa- menubohkan Lembaga Perburohan di- macham itu. Itu saya tidak tahu, boleh Pelabohan Pulau Pinang. jadi. Oleh itu saya meminta-lah supaya Menteri yang bertanggong-jawab Kewajipan yang penting bagi Lem- supaya dapat berunding dengan pehak baga tersebut is-lah untok menentukan yang tertentu supaya perkara ini dapat is-itu tenaga manusia sa-chukup-nya di-selesaikan. sentiasa ada di-dapati terus-menerus bagi melichinkan kerja2 di-Pelabohan Hari ini saya meminta lagi sa-kali tersebut. Tugas yang mustahak Lem- supaya Menteri, apakala hendak menu- baga tersebut is-lah untok menetapkan bohkan satu2 badan, umpama-nya, chara bekerja-decasualise-di-Pela- saya meminta-lah supaya dia dapat bohan tersebut dan ini berma`ana menolong memikirkan bersama2 dan bahawa mereka2 yang bergantong berunding bersama2 dengan pehak kapada kerja2 di-Pelabohan untok sara Kerajaan Negeri. Saya di-fahamkan hidup mereka, akan di-beri keutamaan dengan tertuboh-nya Labour Board ini untok pendaftaran di-bandingkan dan perlantekan Ahli2-nya, tidak lang- dengan mereka yang bekerja di- song berunding dengan pehak Kerajaan Pelabohan hanya sambilan sahaja Negeri. Oleh sebab memandang kapada untok menambah sara hidup mereka satu pengertian dan satu kebaikan yang tetap dengan bekerja di-tempat bersama di-antara pehak Kerajaan lain. Pusat dan pehak Kerajaan Negeri, Ranchangan Pendaftaran Buroh saya harap-lah pada masa hadapan stevedore telah di-lancharkan awal supaya dapat berunding bersama2 di- bulan ini sa-lepas satu penyiasatan antara kedua pehak ini. Itu-lah rayuan yang lama dan teliti tentang kegiatan2 saya yang saya minta ini bukan hanya di-Pelabohan itu. rayuan2 saya, tetapi is-lah juga rayuan dari pendudok2 yang bekerja yang Lembaga tersebut berpendapat ba- meminta saya bawakan ka-dalam hawa jumlah sa-banyak 1,326 buroh Majlis mi. stevedores ada-lah chukup untok me- menohi kehendak2 di-dalam pekerjaan Tuan V. Manickavasagam: Tuan di-pelabohan tersebut dan jumlah ini Yang di-Pertua, Yang Berhormat Ahli telah di-daftarkan. Ada di-katakan daripada Pulau Pinang Selatan, dalam bahawa beribu2 buroh telah hilang uchapan-nya, ada menyentoh kesulitan2 pekerjaan mereka sa-bagai akibat dan kesusahan buroh2 di-Pulau Pinang, ranchangan mi. mi tidak benar, terutama sa-kali tentang penganggoran pertama-nya penyiasatan ka-atas maji- oleh beberapa pekerja pelabohan. Saya kan2 di-pelabohan tersebut menunjok- telah beberapa kali menerangkan kan hanya 1,200 buroh stevedores dalam persidangan ini tentang tujuan telah bekerja dalam tempoh 18 bulan dan kehendak2 ranchangan perburohan yang lalu. pelabohan tersebut. Kedua-nya, saya sendiri telah me- Untok mengulangi keterangan saya nyiasat daftar berkenaan dengan hal dahulu, kita dapati bertambah ramai ini dan saya berpuas hati bahawa sa- bilangan majikan dan buroh di-Pelabo- jumlah besar dari mereka yang tidak 2513 26 OCTOBER 1966 2514

di-daftarkan itu hanya berkaitan sadi- Bila melancharkan ranchangan baru kit sahaja dengan kerja2 di-pelabohan, bagi pendaf taran stevedores, beberapa bekerja satu atau dua hari dalam sa- perbuahan terpaksa di-buat mengenai bulan. Lembaga tersebut telah di- chara pekerjaan di-pelabohan lain minta memberi pertolongan kapada hanya sadikit sahaja mengenai chara mereka yang sa-sunggoh-nya perlu bekerja. Sudah terang bahawa jika pertolongan. Pada fikiran saya ada-lah kita mahu kemajuan dan mengadakan adil jikalau mereka yang bekerja sa- perlindongan2 bagi menjamin bahawa bagai buroh sambilan tidak meng- buroh2 mendapat perhatian yang adil, ganggu ketetapan dan jaminan sara sa-bilangan chara2 lama yang kolot hidup mereka yang bergantong kapada terpaksa di-buang. Saya fikir bila pekerjaan di-pelabohan sa-mata2 untok buroh2 tersebut sudah biasa dengan kehidupan mereka. Ini-lah sa-benar- perburohan ini, kebaikan-nya akan nya tujuan Undang2 itu dan telah di- terchapai dan tidak ada apa2 kesulitan terangkan apabila saya membawa akan di-alami. undang2 itu ka-Dewan ini dahulu. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Tidak-lah benar saperti apa yang di- Berhormat juga ada mengatakan kita katakan oleh Yang Berhormat tali bahawa buroh yang bukan warga tidak ada berunding dengan Kerajaan negara telah di-beri keutamaan dalam Negeri. Ini tidak betul. Saya sendiri ranchangan pendaftaran ini-ini tidak semua ahli2 Executive Council di- benar. Sa-bagaimana yang telah saya Pulau Pinang tahun dahulu, dan ada katakan, mereka2 yang bergantong memberi keterangan dengan chukup pada pekerjaan di-pelabohan untok kapada ahli2 itu. Dan juga pada sara hidup, telah di-beri keutamaan minggu yang lalu saya ada berjumpa dan jumlah ini mungkin termasok ahli' EXCO di-Pulau Pinang dan saya beberapa orang yang bukan warga sukachita memberitahu kapada Dewan negara. Kerajaan tidak bersetuju ini bahawa ahli2 itu telah berpuas hati. hendak memberhentikan sa-siapa yang Terima kaseh. bekerja di-pelabohan pada masa ini yang bukan warga negara dari peker- Mr Speaker; The House is adjourned jaan mereka, tetapi jika pekerja2 baru sine die. di-kehendaki pada masa hadapan warga negara akan di-beri keutamaan. Adjourned at 7.45 p.m.