Cahir Social and Historical Society Genealogy Basics (Tracing Family Tree) Types of records available The periods covered by the various records Issues associated with Cahir records Presented by: 4th February 2016 Tom Hussey Ireland Reaching Out Publish Parish profiles (Caher and Ballylooby) Assist Diaspora by responding to messages posted on Ireland XO Message Board Greet and meet visitors to the town that have posted messages (on request) Depends on volunteers IRELANDREACHING XO Cahir Message board (sample) Family name Location Barrett,Hyland,Lonergan Knocknaboha Shortis Moorstown O’Donnell/Franklin Rosemont Ellen Carew Roche/McGrath/Martin, Ryan Killcommon Conway/Scanlan, McGrath ,Franklin Barrack street O’Gorman Bridge Street Moloney,Farrell Abbey street Neary Pearse Street Farrell/Callahan Clonmore/Carrigeen Mason War Memorial RECORDS : WHAT IS AVAILABLE Church records (Baptismal) & (Marriage) Civil Records (Births Marriages & Deaths) Census Records Property records Graveyard records Military & Police records Migration Records Trade Directories School Roll Records Minute books for Workhouse (Clogheen & Tincurry) Cahir records and some associated issues The Caher records available on line are as follows: Catholic parish registers :BAPTISMS 1776 -1793 & 1809 -1864 Marriages : 1778-1880 Church of Ireland: Marriages 1845 -1864 Civil Records: Births, Marriages and Deaths 1864 -1921 1901 CENSUS 1911 CENSUS Griffith’s Valuation c.1853 (LAND AND PROPERTY ONLY) Tithe Applotments Books c.1836 (TILLAGE LAND ONLY) Roman Catholic Parish Registers Parish Baptisms Marriages Ardfinnan 1809-1880 1814-1822 1827-1880 Ballylooby and Duhill 1828-1864 1828-1864 Ballyneale and Grangemockler 1839-1880 Ballyporeen (Templetenny) 1817-1828 1818-1875 Cahir 1776-1793 1809-1864 1776-1880 Carrick-On-Suir 1784-1880 1788-1880 Clogheen 1778-1880 1814-1864 Church of Ireland Civil District Marriages Ardfinnan 1845-1864 Ardmayle 1845-1864 Ballingarry 1845-1864 Bansha 1845-1864 Cahir 1845-1864 Cashel 1845-1864 Clogheen 1845-1864 Saint Mary’s Church Cahir stmaryscahir.ie http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1097 Copies of microfilm of Church records Births and Marriages Caher records and some associated issues (1) Fr Geoffrey Keating PP established register in 1776 in the Chapel on Chapel Road outside the entrance to Cahir Park. This record is still preserved in Cahir. He died in 1891. In this register he invariably names illegitimate male children presented for Baptism as ‘Oliver’. The Dioceses of Cashel and Emly used a similar approach but with a different set of names. Geoffrey was succeeded by his brother Rev Michael Keating . At this time a replacement Chapel was built on the site of the present Church and he died in 1809. The Birth records for 1794-1808 are missing. A third brother Rev Thomas Keating next succeeded to the pastorate, he died in 1814. Caher records and some associated issues (2) The Parish registers for Cahir are sometimes duplicated in county Waterford . In about 10% of cases the Cahir records only show incorrectly in ‘Cahir County Waterford.’ This issue applies to a number of parish records in South Tipperary in the Dioceses of Waterford and Lismore. The Parish registers for the Diocese of Cashel & Emly in South Tipperary are not on line. No defined specification for records Records on line are transcripts of true records. A small number of errors are present & some children were not baptised/recorded. www.rootsireland.ie A subscription channel You can search all Church records and some Civil records that are on line (not all on line) By County, Parish, Dates, Father’s name, Mother’ maiden names When you know the parents names you can use ‘%%%%’ as a wild card to find all children in one query. The individual records will give you a full transcript of the Baptismal record including witness names. Parishes in the Doiceses of Cashel & Emly in South Tipperary are not on line. CIVIL REGISTRATION The General Register Office (GRO) holds all official records of Irish births, deaths and marriages from 1864 and of non-Catholic marriages from 1845, the historic indexes of which can be viewed here General Registrars Office Indexes in relation to the following records of life events are available for inspection at the Research Facility: 1. Births registered in the island of Ireland between 1st January, 1864 and 31 December, 1921 inclusive, and in Ireland (excluding the six north-eastern counties of Derry, Antrim, Down, Armagh, Fermanagh and Tyrone known as Northern Ireland) from 1922 onwards. 2. Deaths registered in the island of Ireland between 1st January, 1864 and 31st December, 1921 inclusive and in Ireland (excluding Northern Ireland ) from 1922 onwards. 3. Non-Roman Catholic Marriages registered in the island of Ireland between 1st April, 1845 and 31st December, 1863 inclusive. 4. Marriages registered in the island of Ireland between 1st January, 1864 and 31st December, 1921 inclusive and in Ireland (excluding Northern Ireland ) from 1922 onwards. 5. Legal Domestic Adoptions registered in Ireland from 10th July, 1953 onwards. Irish Civil birth registration information requirements ( after 1864) . All Irish birth certificates should contain the following information: Date of birth Place of birth (townland or urban street name/house number) Name of child (sometimes blank or 'male' or 'female' if name not yet decided) Sex of child Father's name and address (townland or street name/house number) Mother's name and maiden name Father's occupation Name, address and 'qualification' (relationship) of the informant. Date registered Name of registrar Superintendent Registrar's signature Approach to searching for roots Have a plan A plan is defined as : THE PROGRESSION FROM A KNOWN PRESENT STATE TO A DESIRABLE FUTURE STATE Focus initially on the KNOWN PRESENT STATE In general it is better to work backwards but always from a ‘known present state’ Search criteria Set loose criteria initially eg. all county, widest time range permitted by search engine On the assumption that the person is included in the initial output, progressively narrow the search criteria eg. by Parish, by father only, by both parents, etc. In an ideal outcome you will find the record with both parents and an address as you thought within a narrow timeline. Civil Registrations after 1864 -1915 https://www.irishgenealogy.ie (free) Search by name and Registration district Advanced search using Mother’s maiden name Reference number of entry but limited additional information Co Tipperary Registrations Districts are as follows: Borrisokane*, Carrick-on-Suir**, Callan*** Clogheen*, Roscrea** , Parsonstown*** Nenagh*, Clonmel** Urlingford*** Thurles*, Roscrea** Thurles* Tipperary** * registrations are for townlands only located in Co. Tipperary ** Centre or head office for district is located in Co. Tipperary but district itself takes in part of another county *** Centre or head office for a district is located in another county but the district takes in townlands in Co. Tipperary. Census records Caher records and some associated issues (3) The Census 1911 has all the records for the west side of the town (Except Bridge Street) (c50%) incorrectly placed under Kilcommon DED instead of Cahir DED. While there is a Kilcommon village there is no Kilcommon DED, so only Caher records (west side of river) are show under Kilcommon DED STREET NAMES HAVE CHANGED SINCE 1911: e.g., Wellington street to Pearse street, Chapel road to St.Mary’s Road The house numbers used by the enumerators are not always consistent for the same properties with the numbers used in 1901 Census. The Census 1901 seems to be complete under Caher (Tipperary). Cemeteries IMAGES OF HEADSTONES (FULL INFORMATION AVAILABLE) http://billiongraves.com/cemetery/Saint-Mary-Roman-church-drom -Tipperary-Ireland/263972 (Part only) Whitechurch, Burncourt, Killaldriffe. (Transcripts no images) http://www.macatawa.org/~devries/CAHIRoldChurch.htm http://www.macatawa.org/~devries/KILCOMMON-QUAKER.htm Loughloher Graveyard Kilcommon - Protestant Graveyard SCHOOL ROLLS The School rolls up to 1925 for Saint Paul’s School, Church Street, Cahir are available to view at The National Archives ,Bishops Street Dublin Workhouse To get entrance to the Workhouse people had to surrender their lease, so they had no prospect of returning home. Women tried to gain entrance with their children but if the lease was not surrendered with 2 weeks they were returned home. Husbands who did not surrender their lease were pursued as ‘deserters’ TRADE DIRECTORIES Pigot & Co's directory goes through the towns of Ireland alphabetically. It lists a detailed description of the town or city, post office information and shows the names of nobility and gentry living in or close to the town. The traders of each town are arranged according to their trade. Pigot & Co's Directory was first published in 1820. Slaters's (1846) directory goes through the towns of Ireland alphabetically. It lists a detailed description of the town or city, post office information and shows the names of nobility and gentry living in or close to the town. The traders of each town are arranged according to their trade. – Slater's directory contains some additional information over Pigot's Directory. http://www.failteromhat.com/ Land and Estate Records Two MOST important substitutes for the lost 19th century census records are the Tithe Applotment Books and Griffith’s Valuation. TO SEARCH LAND & PROPERTY AND CENSUS RECORDS SOME UNDERSTANDING OF ADMINISTRATIVE DIVISIONS IS