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TC/TG/TRG MINUTES COVER SHEET

(Minutes of all TC/TG/TRG Meetings are to be distributed to all persons listed below within 60 days following the meeting.)

TC/TG/TRG NO : TC- 9.12 DATE June 27, 2008

TC/TG/TRG TITLE ____Tall Building Air Conditioning Systems______

DATE OF MEETING June 24, 2008______LOCATION:_ Salt Lake City _ __

MEMBERS PRESENT YEAR MEMBERS YEAR EX-OFFICIO MEMBERS APPTD ABSENT APPTD AND ADDITIONAL ATTENDANCE

Tom Kroeschell 2007 William Webb 2007

Dennis Wessel 2007 Peter Ellis 2007

Peter Simmonds 2007 Marianna Brodatch 2005

Yuri Tabunschikov 2005

Mark Fly 2007 Jose Herrera 2007

Harvey Brickman 2005

Luke Leung 2007

DISTRIBUTION All Members of TC/TG/TRG plus the following:

TAC SECTION HEAD: Anand Seth

TAC CHAIR: Craig Wray ASHRAE MANAGER OF TECHNICAL SERVICES: Michael Vaughn

ALL COMMITTEE LIAISONS AS SHOWN ON TC/TG/TRG ROSTERS:

ADDITIONAL DISTRIBUTION MANAGER OF STANDARDS MANAGER OF RESEARCH TC9.12 MEETING MINUTES June24, 2008 PAGE 1

TC/TG/TRG MINUTES COVER SHEET (Page 2)

(Minutes of all TC/TG/TRG Meetings are to be distributed to all persons listed below within 60 days following the meeting.)

TC/TG/TRG NO TC – 9.12 DATE: __June 26, 2008_____

TC/TG/TRG TITLE Tall Building Air Conditioning Systems ______

DATE OF MEETING June 24, 2008 ______LOCATION:___ New York, NY _____

Non Voting MEMBERS YEAR MEMBERS YEAR EX-OFFICIO MEMBERS APPTD ABSENT APPTD AND ADDITIONAL & Guests PRESENT ATTENDANCE

Lynn Werman 2007

John Carter 2006

Dr. Ray Sinclair

Wayne Webster 2007

Ken Gill

Alan Vinh

TC9.12 MEETING MINUTES June24, 2008 PAGE 2 TC – 9.12; Tall Building Systems

Meeting Minutes June 24, 2008 Salt Lake City

The meeting was called to order by the chair, Tom Kroeschell at 3:45 PM.

A. Alan Vinh – NIST –NIST is interested in emergency response and attended to advise 9.12 on their work. They are working on a project to communicate building information and have prototyped a system to perform this function. They are working on this with a number of organizations to develop a common language to interface between multiple networks among multiple manufacturers. The goal is also to produce a common reporting format which will communicate with any particular fire alarm or BAS manufacturer in that particular building. The responders would then see a common system and reporting format in any building to which they respond.

B. Minutes from New York 2008 were Approved as submitted.

C. Chairman Comments

1. No Report

B. Research (Werman)

1. RTAR for Air Infiltration in High rise buildings (Gill & Sinclair). Mark Fly distributed a work statement for a similar project. #1478 by TC-4.3 and 9.12 will co sponsor.

2. Measurement of differential pressures inside and outside of high rise buildings at various heights. Lynn will work with Duncan Phillips to try to put together an RTAR. Due August 15, 2008. Motion Gill, second Wessel to co-sponsor this with research with TC-4.3. Approved.

3. The High Rise design guide was done for Commercial buildings. Perhaps we should consider a design guide for mixed use or retail or residential. Harvey Brickman will work on an RTAR.

C. Program Sub-Committee: Simmonds

1. Seminar for Chicago (Priority #1) by Kroschell “HVAC system updates in older tall buildings”.

2. Back to Basics – Seminar Chicago (Priority #2 )- “Design Characteristics for High Rise Buildings” (Simmonds)

3. High Rise Residential Buildings – Chicago (Priority #3) (Leung)

4. Stack Effect Seminar, Chicago (Priority # 4) (Sinclair)

5. Natural Ventilation in Tall Buildings (Leung)

6. Extreme Climate design co sponsor with 9.1 for Chicago. Luke Leung will speak on Dubai project and the impact of the environmental condition on the stack effect. Also talk to Bill Webb about what is being done in Dubai (Las Vegas). Ian Spanswick also agreed to speak on extreme climate HVAC.

7. Forum - Is sustainability viable in Tall or Super Tall Buildings?

8. Sinclair (Liaison to 5.6) discussion of stair and elevator shaft pressurization and perhaps a joint seminar program on this topic.

TC9.12 MEETING MINUTES June24, 2008 PAGE 3 9. Future Topics

 Forum for Chicago: What are needs for updating the Tall Building design guide? What do we do with Tall Buildings for sustainability?  Forum – Mechanical codes for tall buildings, are they correct.  Compartmentalization of Tall Buildings  Load/Power distribution in Tall Buildings  Energy in Tall Buildings (wind energy, Water use and cascading use for toilets, etc.)  Four Times square is experimenting with solar panels and fuel cells.  Bank of America has considerable innovation (i.e. power generation)  Formation of snow and ice on super tall structures

B. Handbook - Wessel

1. Due May 2010 DJW is working on it.

F. Webmaster Fly – The 9.12 website is back up and running. Mark will provide a link for inclusion in the minutes.

The meeting was adjourned at 5:15 PM

Respectfully Submitted,

Dennis J. Wessel

TC9.12 MEETING MINUTES June24, 2008 PAGE 4 Attachments

Program

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Research

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