Future of Ground Testing Working Group

Meeting Minutes Future of Ground Testing Working Group Meeting #2: GTTC FoGT 53rd AIAA Aerospace Sciences Meeting (SciTech 2015)

January 7, 2015 0800 - 1200

Chair: Steven Dunn Vice-chair: Vic Canacci

Attendance:

Name Company/Organization Steven Dunn Jacobs/LaRC Erich Schuch Calspan Wink Baker Lockheed Tom Wayman Gulfstream Shinji Nagai JAXA Paul Kelly ATA/AEDC Oliver Leembruggen Booz Allen Marco Colagrande NRC/Canada Stephen Ryle San Diego Wind Tunnel Joe Patrick Lockheed Christine Pastor-Barsi Sierra Lobo/GRC John Leslie USAF/Holloman Roman Paryz NASA/LaRC Steve Helland NASA/GRC Kirk Butler ATA/AEDC Dave Yoder ATA/AEDC Ben Mills ATA/AEDC John Micol NASA/LaRC

These notes are combined from Steve Ryle and Steve Dunn; any errors or misstatements are Dunn’s. These notes are from the ‘regular’ meeting of the working group. The slides used to set up and facilitate the discussion are pasted in below. A summary work product of all related meetings, including key points, findings, and actions will be produced by February and posted on the working group web site.

Notes:

1. Welcome and intro words from Dunn

2. Refer to charts from Dunn; used to provide context and facilitate discussion. Charts posted at end of the notes. 3. Reviewed meeting key points and actions from Tues pm meeting on 6-Jan. Minutes from that meeting are available separately.

4. Need to unite our efforts with computational community: applied aero, fluids TCs, etc

5. Do we need RDTE 2030 road map like CFD 2030 road map?

6. Provide info on correct tools for particular needs.

7. “How do I get to flight test ready condition?”

8. Map GT capabilities to shutdown decision.

9. Example: A producer is laying out their test plan for the next two years; having to justify to a senior VP not just what is needed, but whether they need to do any WT testing at all.

10. In WBS, need to show where CFD needs help:

a. Separation

b. Complex configurations

c. Unsteady flow

With major considerations being

d. Flow field

e. Deformation

f. Flow condition

11. Review the 3 proposed products of this WG (see charts)

a. Maybe Product 1: meta analysis is the only product needed for this WG? Then set up new/larger WG with cross-functional reps to carry forward? i.e. Product 2 would be formation of new WG and end of this one.

b. Product 2: Combined RDT&E Vision 2030 Report. Could be a funded, joint effort

c. Product 3: advocacy briefing, feeling is that this should be done by larger/new WG not this WG. This would not be part of the funded effort but would use that information as the basis for the briefing.

12. Time frame:

a. Product 1 (meta analysis) draft done by Aviation 2015 (this summer), final presented at SciTech 2016 b. Start Product 2 after Aviation 2016; may be related to funding availability. Can we have enough of the “bones” of the report to make an oral briefing at SciTech 2016? Can we complete to present by Aviation 2016?

c. Start Product 3 after combined WG is formed. We likely know enough to get this started in parallel, then reconcile when the report is drafted. Can we complete to present by Aviation 2016?

d. Maybe do forum 360 or panel session at SciTech 2016

13. Work will continue to lay the ground work for a combined working group. Dunn has lead with help from the steering committee and anyone else that wants to. This will be discussed in monthly status meetings (starting in February).

14. Dunn: propose we spend most of the rest of this meeting reviewing documents to use for meta- analysis; lots of group discussion on this, philosophy, our objectives, our approach, etc.

a. Review documents to down select specific documents for our meta-analysis

b. Dunn suggested: everyone review AIAA 2010-142 paper by Melanson et al; group agrees: ALL

c. After group review/discussion the following papers were selected for detailed reading and review; the listing below shows the documents to be reviewed and reviewers.

c.i. These will be reviewed based on a SWOT (strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats) format with, as applicable, associated timeframes.

c.ii. Reviews will be posted in a folder on the GTTC/FoGT web site.

c.iii. Document reviews are due for posting by 2/28/15.

# Description Reviewer 1 Reviewer 2 Reviewer 3 Reviewer 4 1 AIAA 2010-142 paper by Melanson All 2 RAND study papers from 2004 and Ryle Pastor-Barsi Leembrugge 2009 n 3 AIAA-2008-830 by Melanson Helland W Baker 4 AIAA-2004-6873 J Leslie P Kelly 5 AIAA-2015-0042 by Kraft Dunn Yoder Micol 6 CFD Vision 2030 Final Report Dunn Wayman Helland 7 Flightpath 2050 Europe Vision for Micol Wayman Leahy Aviation 8 NASA TP-2012-217607 Role of CFD Pastor-Barsi Helland and Wind Tunnels in Aero R&D by Malik and Bushnell 9 AIAA-2010-139 by Kraft P Kelly Leembruggen 10 ITEA Journal Paper 2010 329-346 by W Baker Mills Kraft (Wink, Ben) 11 NASA/NRC Capabilities for the K Butler Colagrande Schuch Future, paper as outcome of 2010 NRC study/presentation (by Tom Best) – Dunn has this, link only (copyright issue) 12 AIAA-2011-1069 by RAND Leembruggen Ryle 13 Link only (copyright issue): National Yoder Paryz Academies paper, Recapturing NASA Aero Flight Research Capabilities 14 AIAA-2006-8043 Hypersonics Butler Pastor-Barsi Infrastructure Study by Kraft et al 15 AIAA-2008-1611 AEDC Workforce Micol Nagai Yoder Schuch by Best, Kraft et al (John M, Marco, Nagai, David Y, Erich S) 16 ACARE Strategic Research and Dunn Wayman Innovation Agenda Volume 1 (Steve D, Tom W) Updated National Aeronautics R&D Dunn Ryle Plan – need to download this possibly? Dunn will get latest version Need paper/reference for business model for retention/replacement value of facilities Maybe: the 2010 IIWG of Mike George – need to find out if they produced a document, if so we should add to our list; Steve H will contact George for this

Note that additional one-on-on meetings related to this working group were also held by Dunn (and some with others on the team) during the week with:

 Robert (Bob) Griffiths, Boeing, Lead, Aerodynamics Engineering

 Ed Tucker, USAF, Executing Agent, T&E/S&T High Speed Systems Test, AEDC

 Thomas Fetterhof, USAF, Technical Director, Test Operations Division, AEDC

 Edward Kraft, USAF, Chief Technologist, AEDC

 Tom Irvine, AIAA, Managing Director, Content Development Additional notes were taken (not included here) for most of these meetings.

Actions:

Item Assigned to: Due Date: Status:

At Aviation, set up a combined follow up Dunn 6/21/15 meeting as a Webex and be able to access links to the document repository. Check on the 2010 IIWG of Mike George – Helland 1/30/15 need to find out if they produced a document, if so we should add to our list; Steve H will contact Mike G for this Ensure all referenced review documents are Dunn 1/30/15 posted on the web site in a separate folder Develop and send (to all reviewers) a format Dunn 1/30/15 for the SWOT document reviews (standard form/content); include space for personal remarks/observations (GTTC perspective) Add a folder to the web site for posting Dunn 1/30/15 reviews Ensure all reviewers have permission to Leembruggen 1/30/15 upload on the web site. Make a table of all document reviews and Dunn 1/30/15 who is reviewing each one. Post on the web site and email to each reviewer. Post CFD Vision 2030 on web site Dunn 1/30/15

All reviews are complete and posted Noted in table 2/28/15 above Findings compiled, summarized, and put into Dunn, Micol, Kelley, 5/4/15* draft paper form by steering committee and Wayman sent to all reviewers for review and comment. (Other possible reviewers (need to contact these: Vic, Ray, Roman) Draft comments complete and sent to Dunn All reviewers 5/22/15* (chair of steering committee Comments incorporated into draft paper Dunn, Micol, Kelley, 6/15/15* Wayman * Actions discussed generally; these are estimated dates to make it happen

Slides: Backup Slide

Submitted by Steve Dunn