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They also have x86 64-bit support to the point that the kernel can boot, but not Network in North America and much beyond that stage yet. USB and other functionality remains a work-in-progress. Those curious about this GNU kernel project can find more details via the presentation media. Europe gnu os software → Tiny Pluto Big On Frozen Water Reserves Kentucky Man Arrested After Shooting Down Drone Are We Reaching the Electric Car Tipping Point? Microsoft Is Downloading Windows 10 Without Asking Test Pilot: the F-35 Can't Dogfight Oregon Testing Pay-Per-Mile Driving Fee To Replace Gas Tax Submission: GNU Hurd Begins Supporting Sound, Still Working On 64-bit & USB Support FTDI Driver Breaks Hardware Again GNU Hurd Begins Supporting Sound, Still Working On 64-bit & USB Support 177 More | Reply Login GNU Hurd Begins Supporting Sound, Still Working On 64-bit & USB Support Post Load All Comments S1e5a Fruchll 8257 7A Cbobmremvieantetsd L0o Hg iIdnd/Cenreate an Account C/Soema ments Filter: AScllore: I5nsightful I4nformative I3nteresting F2unny 1The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. ›0 I-1n future news (Score:4, Funny) b17y 7c +M+o r(e2 5| 4R2e7p) loy nL oSguinnday January 31, 2016 @11:27AM (#51408957) W e're proud to announce that GNU Hurd can now save and load files. NRicekplny atom Teh:is Share tPwaisttsewro fradce: b6o-2o0k clihnakreadcitne rs long F laPgu balsi cIn Taeprpmroinparila te Re:L oIng Ifnutu reF onrgeowt yso u(Sr pcaosrsew:o2rd)? by orlanz (882574) Close A billion trillion years from now, Hurd will be the only sentient being left. As the rest moved onto a higher plane of existence. Close Re:In future news (Score:4, Informative) by jfdavis668 (1414919) on Sunday January 31, 2016 @02:54PM (#51409955) Obligatory XKCD: http://xkcd.com/1508/ [xkcd.com] Reply to This Parent Share twitter facebook linkedin Flag as Inappropriate Re: (Score:2) by jfdavis668 (1414919) HURD AC," said Man, "How may entropy be reversed? The HURD AC said, "/hurd/ext2fs.static: hd1s1: Gratuitous error." Re: (Score:2) by BarbaraHudson (3785311) That anybody is still following the HURD is what's news. The herd has moved elsewhere. Re: (Score:2) by unixisc (2429386) Last I had read, they were still agonizing over which microkernel to use. Did they come to a decision? Re: (Score:2) by roc97007 (608802) They're skipping over 8 inch disks? What's the point (Score:5, Interesting) by mwvdlee (775178) on Sunday January 31, 2016 @11:27AM (#51408961) Homepage What's the point of continuing with Hurd? I mean, apart from making make laugh whenever they have "news". Reply to This Share twitter facebook linkedin Flag as Inappropriate Re: (Score:2) by HouseOfMisterE (659953) Hurd probably does make make laugh! Re:What's the point (Score:4, Interesting) by thegarbz (1787294) on Sunday January 31, 2016 @11:33AM (#51408989) This is an interesting question. It's one thing if the HURD was making progress but based on this kind of news it would seem that technology is actually being developed faster than the kernel. Reply to This Parent Share twitter facebook linkedin Flag as Inappropriate Hurd is the kernel component of GNU Emacs (Score:2) by dmoen (88623) Seriously, if you google "GNU Guix", you'll see that system startup scripts will be written in Lisp, the package manager will use Lisp to describe packages. Also, I note that the microkernel architecture will allow code that is traditionally part of the kernel to run in user mode and be written in Lisp. It looks to me that they are building a new system that combines the best aspects of Unix and the legendary Lisp Machine. Which would be kind of cool. Re: (Score:3) by unixisc (2429386) Can't they rewrite systemd in lisp, put it under emacs and then have their entire OS? Speaking of which, why are they bothering w/ 64-bit support at all? Since the only app that would run in HURD would be emacs, they might as well just make emacs the front end of the OS, instead of bothering about bash/csh/ksh/ et al Re: (Score:3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward The microkernel architecture makes it quite cool. Re: (Score:2) by unixisc (2429386) The microkernel architecture makes it quite cool. For that, why not go to Minix, which is FOSS under a BSD license, and is well documented, since AST's book is the documentation of the OS. It's a good learning platform, and has some neat features, like a 'reincarnation server' that lowers the priority of hung drivers until they are effectively killed, and restart them again. Last I hurd, HURD is still based on Mach 3, which was a first generation microkernel, but a lot of developments have happened in microkernel concepts that have not made it to Ma Re: (Score:2) by rochrist (844809) You think that will happen before the heat death of the universe? Re: (Score:2) by unixisc (2429386) GP wants a microkernel OS Re: (Score:3) by Guy Harris (3803) If you want a microkernel architecture, then why not OS X or at least Darwin? Because neither Darwin nor OS X have a microkernel architecture. Re: (Score:3) by serviscope_minor (664417) You mean Mach. That's the microkernel underlying both OSX and Hurd. OSX basically sticks one massive process on top of that for unix services. Hurd actually goes the full microkernel style. It's a research system which means unlike OSX its hardware support is poor but it can do interesting things from an OS perspective. Re: (Score:3) by unixisc (2429386) OS X does use Mach, but not in the way that any microkernel platform would. As for HURD, did they finally conclude which microkernel they wanted to use? They tried out a few, and then it's unclear which one they settled for. While Mach 3.x was a first generation microkernel, there have been a lot of developments in microkernel theory that are not there in Mach 3. In fact, a major downside of Mach 3 is that it is resource intensive, and that reputation has spread to microkernels in general, even Re: (Score:3) by ArchieBunker (132337) Its like trying to talk someone out of a cult they are following. Re:What's the point (Score:5, Informative) by short (66530) on Sunday January 31, 2016 @11:38AM (#51409013) Homepage Thanks to the microkernel architecture you will no longer have to reboot system just to get rid of that stale lock on an accidentally removed USB disk or unmountable --bind mount in /proc/mounts due to non-existing user/usecount or due to some crashed driver locking up your PCI device etc. I could transparently restart crashed ntfs.sys emulated under Linux in 2003 while Linux kernel still can't do that with its native filesystems. Reply to This Parent Share twitter facebook linkedin Flag as Inappropriate Re: (Score:2) by rssrss (686344) "you will no longer have to reboot system just to get rid of that stale lock on an accidentally removed USB disk or unmountable --bind mount in /proc/mounts due to non-existing user/usecount or due to some crashed driver locking up your PCI device etc." Before or after my 115th birthday? Re: (Score:2) by short (66530) You have to reboot that box about each two weeks: Fedora kernel Bug 1183791 [redhat.com] (it is probably not specific to Fedora) Re: (Score:2) by BarbaraHudson (3785311) No, you won't. This is one user, who admits doing weird things in his scripts. He fixed his problem. Re: (Score:2) by Marginal Coward (3557951) Before or after my 115th birthday? I'm not sure when they'll succeed in getting USB going in GNU HURD, but I predict it will eventually become a killer feature of Windows 95. Re: (Score:3) by Lunix Nutcase (1092239) Ok. So by which century will Hurd be usable enough that I can take advantage of the features? And don't say "now" because not having sound support or full workinf x86_64 support does not make a usable kernel. Re: (Score:2, Interesting) by short (66530) The sooner you will write that the sooner you will get it. That's all what Free software guarantees you and I find it superior to anything else. Re: (Score:2, Insightful) by jones_supa (887896) FOSS is not a garden party or cake sale where anyone can volunteer just like that. Features that seem relatively simple to the end user can hide tens or hundreds of thousands of lines of code behind them.