Estrel Hotel & Convention Center

Heat Treating June 2012

CONFIRMED MINUTES JUNE 25-28, 2012 ESTREL HOTEL & CONVENTION CENTER BERLIN, GERMANY

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

25 June to 28 June, 2012

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

The Heat Treating Task Group (HT) was called to order at 9:00a.m., 25-June-12

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

Olaf Adam Premium AEROTEC GmbH * Silvia Baeza Triumph Group Siegfried Brauner EUROCOPTER * Bruce Brownfield Lockheed Martin Secretary * Frank Brungs MTU Aero Engines GmbH * Giuseppe Campanile Alenia Aeronautica * Michael Corsino Hamilton Sundstrand * David Damasauskas Spirit Aerosystems * Martin Day Honeywell Aerospace Dieter Deil EUROCOPTER Luigi Di Martino The Boeing Company Slawomir Dr. Bystrzanowski Rolls-Royce Deutschland Ltd & Co KG * Andreas Elbs Liebherr-Aerospace SAS * Mark Emerson Rolls Royce (US) Sergio Esposito ALENIA AERMACCHI Josef Geitner Rolls-Royce Bernd Greis Eurocopter * Peter Hammarbo Volvo Aero Corporation * Gerald Harvey Triumph Group * Andrew Hopkins BAE Systems MAI * Dave Isenberg Parker Hannifin * Serge Labbe Heroux Devtek, Inc. Stefan Lemberger Eurocopter Deutschland GmbH Hongping Li Commercial Aircraft Company of China Weitao Ma Commercial Aircraft Company of China * Will Macias Goodrich Corporation * Doug Matson The Boeing Company Diana Mendoza Honeywell Aerospace Jacob Milo Israel Aerospace Industries * Mitch Nelson Cessna Aircraft Chairperson Alois Niedermeier Eurocopter Deutschland GmbH Hongli Niu Goodrich * Tom Norris Goodrich Corporation * Eddy Pham Northrop Grumman Integrated Systems Alex Pohoata Honeywell Aerospace K.T. Quade Boeing 1 Heat Treating June 2012 * Sunder Rajan Raytheon Corporation * Alex Richez Airbus Victor Schonberger Israel Aerospace Industries David Soong Pratt & Whitney Torsten Sprado Airbus Operations GmbH Mariusz Stanzyk Lockheed Martin * William Stewart Bombardier, Inc. * Marc Taillandier Eurocopter (France) * Cyril Vernault SAFRAN Group Vice Chair * Tomasz Wojtasik Honeywell Aerospace * Grzegorz Wryk Goodrich Corporation Ji Yuan Commercial Aircraft Company of China

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME Olga Antonenko Kamensk Uralsky Metallurgical Works, J.S. Co. Yesim Ates Gur Metal Hassas Dökum San. ve Tic. Sti. Deniz Becerik Gur Metal Hassas Dökum San. ve Tic. Sti. Elena Bolotova Kamensk Uralsky Metallurgical Works, J.S. Co. * Michael Brandt Alcoa, Inc Erbir Eker TAI Markus Fuchsmann Otto Fuchs KG Leroy Gilles Aubert & Duval Forsten Glaubitz ALJO Aluminum Bau Jonuscheit GMBH Rudolf Graf Bohler Schiedetechnik GmbH & Co KG Christoph Heuker AMAG Rolling GmbH Bernhard Hönemann I & QUALBH Bernhard Hönemann Germany Irina Inkova Kamensk Uralsky Metallurgical Works, J.S. Co. Alain Isore Villares Metals SA Artur Janowski Vac Aero Kalisz Alexander Kirilov Kamensk Uralsky Metallurgical Works, J.S. Co. Gunter Krauss RUAG Technology Terry Layton ALUnna Tubes Limited Zdenek Lebduska LETOV LETECKA VYROBA s.r.o. Czech Republic Patrick Mahony Praxair Surface Technologies * Vincent Musa Garlock Helicoflex Aleusandra Najdoch Unison Engine Components - Poland Tomasz Piechowski Unison Engine Components - Poland Martin Pojer LETOV LETECKA VYROBA s.r.o. * Daniel Reeves CPP-Corp Burkhard Reichart Alcoa Fastening Systems - Hildesheim Thomas Ruecker Invensys Eurotherm Mathias Shuler East 4d Carbon Technology GmbH Jeffrey Sipf Hanes International, Inc Adil Slimani METATHERM Tony Solway Invensys Eurotherm Rudolf Sporer Bohler Edelstahl Uri Sternberg Civil Aviation Authority of Israel (CAII) Marcus Turling Air Liquide Jens Weber ALJO Aluminum Bau Jonuscheit GMBH Wilfried Weber PFW Aerospace AG Marta Zak-Szwed ZKM Sp. Zoo

PRI Staff Present

Jerry Aston Marcel Cuperman

1.3 APPROVAL OF PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES / RAIL REVIEW – OPEN

The minutes from February 2012 were approved as written. 2 Heat Treating June 2012

Motion made by Tom Norris & seconded by Marin Day to accept the minutes. Motion passed.

2.0 Review Agenda - CLOSED

Mitch Nelson Task Group Chair reviewed the meeting agenda.

3.0 TASK GROUP TUTORIAL – CLOSED

The meeting began with reading of the Nadcap Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interest and Anti- Trust Policy.

The Heat Treat Task Group tutorial was given for the benefit of new Task Group attendees. The tutorial gave details of the Nadcap structure, Nadcap process, Task Group structure, Task Group history and topics the Task Group are working on.

The Chair reminded the Task Group of the following:

A microphone is available for anyone who would like to use it. Speak clearly, do not dismiss people’s opinions, emotional and off topics should be avoided.

One point brought to the attention of the Task Group was that any comments made in Task Group ballot needs to be addressed by the Staff Engineer before closing the ballot. The Task Group was asked only to include comments when action is required before the audit can be closed.

4.0 Staff Engineers Delegation - CLOSED

Motion made by Bruce Brownfield & seconded by Mark Emerson to continue to delegate Jerry Aston. Motion Passed

Motion made by Bruce Brownfield & seconded by Gerald Harvey to continue to delegate Anne Allen. Motion Passed

Motion made by Sunder Rajan & seconded by Bruce Brownfield to continue to delegate Rob Hoeth. Motion Passed

Motion made by Bruce Brownfield & seconded by Mark Emerson to continue to delegate Marcel Cuperman. Motion Passed

5.0 Lapsed Accreditations

16 Audits have the potential for their accreditation to lapse. Staff Engineers felt that 11 of the audits can be closed with no more than a 30 day extension, which they are allowed to extend without Task Group approval. 5 of the audits were identified as ‘certain to lapse’ and need extensions beyond 30 days. Staff Engineers recommended to extend the accreditation of the 5 Suppliers by 90 days. Previous audit history was reviewed on the 5 Suppliers in question.

Motion made by Gerald Harvey & seconded by Tom Norris to allow accreditation extensions as presented. Motion passed

6.0 Audits Allocation – CLOSED

Audits assigned as volunteered. Remaining audits without two reviewers, will be assigned to those Task Group members that have not volunteered.

7.0 Auditor Consistency – CLOSED 3 Heat Treating June 2012

SE provided data on audits where there had been +/- 5 NCR swing between audits. This information is provided to allow ‘weak’ Auditors to be highlighted, allowing the Task Group to follow up with these Auditors.

ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer to send the list of +/- 5 NCR audits to the Task Group (DUE DATE 25-Jun- 2012)

It was agreed to continue collecting data on Top 10 Least Written NCRs. This data will be presented at the October 2012 meeting.

ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer to collect data on Top 10 Least Written NCRs and send data to Bob Faticanti for presentation at the October Task Group meeting (DUE DATE 22-Oct- 2012)

Auditor variation data was presented by Doug Matson and Tom Norris. The data shows that the average number of NCRs raised by auditors is not changing. Average is 4.4 NCRs per audit.

8.0 Audit Observers – CLOSED

Observation Audit reports submitted from the last meeting were reviewed. Mitch Nelson voiced his concerns about the form used for documenting the observation audit. He thinks the form focuses too much on the auditor than on the audit itself. He also voiced that he had been rejected 6 times by suppliers on request to observe the Nadcap audit.

9.0 Auditors Examination Evaluation – CLOSED

Doug Matson led the discussion on Auditor examination evaluations. The results are not going to be feedback to the auditors due to the time from when they were carried out. The exams were a useful exercise but not one that is to be repeated every year. It is thought that the exams are useful for new Auditors. It was also agreed that any future exams would need to be re-write to have new questions.

10.0 Subscribers Voting Members Participation – CLOSED

The Staff Engineers presented to the Task Group a chart showing Subscribing Prime meeting attendance and Task Group ballots covering the last three Nadcap meeting.

The Chair agreed to contact Subscribing Prime members that were not meeting NTGOP-001 requirements.

11.0 Failure Analysis & VCA Data – CLOSED

The Staff Engineers presented to the Task Group the number of VCA audits being carried out per quarter.

The number of VCA audits for the last quarter was 7 of which 3 audits failed. This was a reduction from the previous quarter when there were 9 VCA audits that were conducted with 3 audits failing.

Staff Engineers present to the Task Group percentage of audits failed for 2011. The failure rate is 10.8% for Initial audits and 3.2% for Re-accreditation audits. This is consistent with other Nadcap commodities.

12.0 Appeal Analysis & Possible Appeals – CLOSED

The Staff Engineers gave a debrief on appeals carried out since the last meeting.

There have been 3 appeals in 2012, of which two were successful and one not successful.

4 Heat Treating June 2012 13.0 NCRs from Add-Scope Audits – CLOSED

Bruce Brownfield presented a plan for handling failures of Add-Scope audits. The issue is whether the NCRs only apply to the Add-Scope vs. if the NCRs apply to the former Main Audit. After the plan is finalized, the draft will be sent to NMC for consideration for revision of NOP-011 across all commodities. The Heat Treat Task Group may consider making the change to the Appendix 3 of NTGOP-001 until added to NOP-011.

Motion made by Gerald Harvey & seconded by Tom Norris to confirm the draft and let the sub- team wordsmith the final draft. Final draft will be re-presented to the Task Group at the October Nadcap meeting.

ACTION ITEM: Add-Scope sub-team to finalize draft wording (DUE DATE 22-Oct- 2012)

14.0 HT-STSTG – OPEN

Wilfred Weber reported the outcome of the HTSTSTG Meeting. Many new members attended the meeting so the session was mostly a meet and greet orientation session. The HTSTSTG did not have any action items from the Task Group to be discussed. Some questions were answered concerning AMS2750E and the Audit Handbook by Marcel Cuperman. Actions pending from San Diego :

1. Circulation of advisories. Marcel states that all HT Suppliers are notified with all changes of ACs and Auditor Advisories, but suppliers must insure that the contact listed for them in eAuditnet is current. 2. Handling of dummy jobs needs to be proceduralized in the Audit Handbook.

16.0 Closed Meeting Debrief – OPEN

Mitch Nelson presents PowerPoint of highlights of Monday closed meeting. Extended discussion concerning whether an auditor being observed influences the audit.

17.0 HT/ AQS Liaison Report Out – OPEN

No report available.

18.0 HTTG Audit Handbook Report Out – OPEN

Marcel Cuperman presented report. The PowerPoint presentation is posted on eAuditnet. Vincent Musa will take John Steltenpohl’s place on the sub-team.

19.0 AC7102/5 Hardness Checklist – OPEN

Marcel Cuperman and Mitch Nelson reports. The new revision “B” has been approved and is posted on eAuditnet. This revision will take effect on August 5, 2012. It was noted that ASTM E 18 has been revised to address what the Task Group already had addressed. If only values within the tolerance of the hardness block are accepted, then the error and repeatability do not need to be calculated.

20.0 AC7102/7 Induction Checklist – OPEN

Marcel Cuperman reports that an affirmation ballot will be sent to the NMC next week for approval based on the change from a single comment by NMC members.

21.0 AC7102/1 Brazing Checklist – OPEN

Marcel Cuperman presented on behalf of Jeff Thyssen. Draft checklist was presented and reviewed at the meeting. There was much discussion over whether the ballot will be circulated with 5 Heat Treating June 2012 the checklist vision references attached for review or without the references listed in the published checklist.

Motion made by Dave Damasauskas & seconded by Mike Brandt – to attach the working document with vision statement references along with the official checklist ballot. Motion Fails.

Motion made by Gerald Harvey & seconded by Tom Norris to proceed with ballot in the usual manner . Motion passed.

22.0 Auditor Conference – OPEN

Agenda for the October Auditor Conference was reviewed with the Suppliers present.

23.0 Suppliers Voting Members Participation – OPEN

Supplier voting member participation was reviewed along with a review of the electronic balloting section of eAuditnet.

24.0 Temper Verification of Aluminum Alloys – OPEN

Doug Matson made a presentation proposing that the conductivity inspection accreditation is moved to AC7102/5 and rename it as Temper Inspection. MOUs will be developed with the CP and NDT task groups to perform these audits at their suppliers. Train CP and NDT auditors to perform these audits.

Motion made by Doug Matson & seconded by Alex Richiez to accept proposal. Motion passed.

Ask auditors in October how often the HT suppliers are directed to not perform the final inspection required by specification

ACTION ITEM: Doug Matson to work a proposal to discuss with CP and NDT Task Group for the October meeting(DUE DATE: 22-Oct-2012)

25.0 Future Workshops – OPEN

Mark Emerson will work with Alex Klyuch to present his topic on tensile testing in October if Alex cannot attend. Doug Matson will present the changes to AMS2750 Rev. E. Cyril Vernault will present SAFRAN Flowdown.

26.0 Effect of Systemic NCR Template changes on NCRs Number – OPEN

Marcel Cuperman presents for Rob Hoeth. As a follow on from the data presented in October shows 58% Major NCRs before implementation and 53-54% Major NCRs after the implementation of the new NCR template.

27.0 Checklist Vision Review Team – OPEN

Mitch Nelson reports, the review of the applicable AC checklist is ongoing, but the goal is for completion by October 2012.

28.0 NMC Metrics – OPEN

6 Heat Treating June 2012 Metrics are generally Green for the Staff and Task Group, and Yellow for the Suppliers. TG still needs more HT auditors.

29.0 SSC Report-Out – OPEN

Willfred Weber presented report. The suppliers have not decided who will replace John Steltenpohl as the HTTG rep to the Supplier Support Committee (SSC). Willfred presented a standard PowerPoint explaining what the SSC is, the benefits of participation to the Suppliers, the report from the SSC meeting Tuesday night, and the latest projects in progress.

30.0 Heat Treating Survey –Comparison Trend – OPEN

Marcel Cuperman presented a comparison of the results of the Task Group Supplier Survey from June 2011, October 2011, and February 2012. A decision will be made in October as to whether we should continue tracking this metric.

31.0 Auditor Advisories – OPEN

Three Auditor Advisories have been released since the last TG meeting. All of these Advisories are posted in eAuditnet and publicly available, except ones with sensitive information limited to auditors and staff. One advisory concerns the scope listing of vacuum brazing vs. atmospheric brazing. Second one concerns ITAR controls Pratt & Whitney specification PWA 11. The third one concerns a reiteration of the policy and table in the Audit Handbook of determining the difference between Parts and Raw Materials for pyrometry purposes when processing Castings and Forgings. The Table is just a guide and does not supersede PO requirements.

Announcement: MTU has added prime specific questions to AC7102/S, effective 9/2012

32.0 Auditor Capacity – OPEN

Marcel Cuperman presents more detailed metrics for auditor capacity. The metrics show that the Task Group needs 3 auditors in the Americas, 6 in Europe, and 1 in Asia to maintain 130% of capacity

33.0 Sub-Teams Meeting – OPEN

Pyrometry Change in AC7102

The draft revision of AC7102 due to the pending release of ANS2750E was reviewed, revised, and is ready for ballot.

34.0 Planning & Ops and Round Table Debriefs – OPEN

Cyril Vernault presented the report from the Round Table and Planning and Operations meetings. Discussion topics included Observation Audits and Auditor Consistency. Auditor Consistency items included revision of NIP-6-01, targeting auditors for observation, attendance at Auditor Conference, continued use of Auditor Exams, pursuing supplier feedback to measure Nadcap effectiveness. Observation Audit topics included difference in number of NCRs when auditors are being observed vs. without observers; SSC to promote acceptance of observers within the supplier community; Observation audit form is being revised by the NMC Auditor Consistency sub-team. There were Task Group report outs from CP, Comp, CT, and NMSE. There will be a new standard part of the Planning & Operations meeting covering metrics, accomplishments, projects and feedback. Job Tracker – New feature developed by some task groups that track which primes jobs are covered during job audits to insure that over time all primes are represented during job audits.

7 Heat Treating June 2012 CP Task Group was receptive for input from the Heat Treat Task Group for improvement of the heat treating (stress relief & embrittlement relief) and pyrometry processes.

35.0 Open Meeting Tabled Subjects – OPEN

Add Scope feedback from sub-team – Bruce Brownfield presented final proposal presented for language to be proposed for revision to NOP-11 and NTGOP-001 Appendix III for failure threshold during an Add Scope audit when NCRS are identified which pertain with the main reaccreditation audit.

Motion made by Doug Matson & seconded by Gerald Harvey that the Task Group accept the recommendation of the sub-team where a revision is submitted to the NMC Standardization team and revise NTGOP 001 Appendix III in parallel; Motion passed

AC7102 Section 10 revision – Doug Matson presented the report on the sub-team review of the draft revision of AC7102 due to the pending release of ANS2750E. The sub-team reviewed the draft revision, recommended further revisions, and is ready for ballot.

Checklist Vision – Mitch Nelson reported the discussion with the small team that met on Wednesday.

From the Workshop concerning automated acceptance of electronic furnace recordings. Doug Matson proposed a draft language: -Automated Acceptance of Furnace Cycles – Automated acceptance of furnace cycles by the integrated furnace control and data acquisition system is acceptable provided that the system monitors and documents all specification required furnace parameters and tolerances, each processing program is verified for accuracy prior to use, and the program is accessible only by designated personnel.

The Task Group agreed to review this item further at the Nadcap October 2012 meeting.

36.0 Supplier Voting Members

The following were voted in has Supplier Voting Members (SVM)

Daniel Reeves Vincent Musa

37.0 October 2012 Agenda – OPEN

Agenda for Nadcap October meeting will be raised by Staff Engineers and submitted to the Task Group for agreement.

38.0 RAIL REVIEW – New Actions – CLOSED

All actions from the meeting were incorporated in the Heat Treat RAIL. This is posted on e- auditnet.

39.0 Closed Meeting Tabled Subjects – CLOSED

It has been requested to include in the agenda a time to review completed audits and problem audits. This was agreed.

SAFRAN deviation 000032 – confirmed that these requirements are included in the revised AC7102/1 checklist.

8 Heat Treating June 2012 40.0 New Business – CLOSED

Tom Murphy is leaving the Task Group after this meeting; the new secretary will be Bruce Brownfield.

ADJOURNMENT – June 28, 2012 – Meeting was adjourned at 3:30 p.m.

Minutes Prepared by: Doug Matson & Jerry Aston, [email protected]

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