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NORTHWEST TERRITORIES LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY

2nd Session Day 34 18th Assembly

HANSARD

Thursday, October 20, 2016

Pages 1109 – 1146

The Honourable Jackson Lafferty, Speaker Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories Members of the Legislative Assembly

Speaker Hon. Jackson Lafferty (Monfwi)

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Hon. Glen Abernethy Hon. Bob McLeod Mr. Kevin O’Reilly (Great Slave) (Yellowknife South) (Frame Lake) Government House Leader Premier Minister of Health and Social Minister of Executive Services Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Hon. Wally Schumann Minister Responsible for the Intergovernmental Relations (Hay River South) Workers’ Safety and Minister of Industry, Tourism and Compensation Commission Hon. Robert McLeod Investment Minister Responsible for Seniors Minister of Public Works and Minister Responsible for Persons (Inuvik Twin Lakes) Services with Disabilities Deputy Premier Minister of Transportation Minister Responsible for the Public Minister of Finance Utilities Board Minister of Environment and Natural Resources Hon. Louis Sebert Minister of Human Resources (Thebacha) Mr. Tom Beaulieu Lead Responsibility for Infrastructure Minister of Justice (Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh) Minister of Lands Mr. Daniel McNeely Minister Responsible for the Mr. Frederick Blake (Sahtu) Northwest (Mackenzie Delta) Territories Power Corporation Minister Responsible for Public Hon. Alfred Moses Engagement and Transparency Hon. Caroline Cochrane (Inuvik Boot Lake) (Range Lake) Minister of Education, Culture and Minister of Municipal and Community Employment Mr. R.J. Simpson Affairs Minister Responsible for Youth (Hay River North) Minister Responsible for Northwest Territories Housing Corporation Mr. Michael Nadli Mr. Kieron Testart Minister Responsible for the Status of (Deh Cho) (Kam Lake) Women Lead Responsibility for Addressing Mr. Herbert Nakimayak Mr. Shane Thompson Homelessness (Nunakput) (Nahendeh) Ms. Julie Green Mr. Cory Vanthuyne (Yellowknife Centre) (Yellowknife North)

______Officers Clerk of the Legislative Assembly Mr. Tim Mercer

Deputy Clerk Mr. Doug Mr. Michael BallPrincipal Ms. Cayley Thomas SchauertePrincipal Clerk, Clerk, (Acting)Law Clerks Committees and Public Corporate and Ms. Sheila MacPherson Affairs Interparliamentary Affairs Mr. Glen Rutland Ms. Alyssa Holland

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Published under the authority of the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories ii

1. TABLE OF CONTENTS

PRAYER...... 1109

MINISTERS’ STATEMENTS...... 1109

87-18(2) - Launch of MyECE for Apprenticeship, Trades and Occupation Certification (Moses)...... 1109

88-18(2) - Growth and Success of the NWT Film Industry (Schumann)...... 1109

89-18(2) - Taking Care of Business (R. McLeod)...... 1110

MEMBERS’ STATEMENTS...... 1111

Representative Public Service (Beaulieu)...... 1111

Supporting Northern and Local Businesses (Vanthuyne)...... 1111

Grand Opening of Fort Liard Supported Independent Living Facility (Thompson)1112

Hydraulic Fracturing Regulatory System (O’Reilly)...... 1112

Rainbow Coalition Youth Centre (Green)...... 1113

A New Day Healing Program (Testart)...... 1113

Cancer Awareness in the Month of October (Nadli)...... 1114

Nursing Services in Tsiigehtchic (Blake)...... 1114

Post-Devolution Environmental Remediation Approaches (McNeely)...... 1115

Tuktoyaktuk Shoreline Erosion Mitigation Project (Nakimayak)...... 1115

RECOGNITION OF VISITORS IN THE GALLERY...... 1115

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS...... 1116

ORAL QUESTIONS...... 1116

PETITIONS...... 1127

TABLING OF DOCUMENTS...... 1127

NOTICES OF MOTION...... 1128 Motion 26-18(2) – Junior Kindergarten...... 1128

MOTIONS...... 1128

Motion 24-18(2) – Extended Adjournment of the House to October 25, 2016. .1128

Motion 25-18(2) – Mid-Term Review Process...... 1128

CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE OF BILLS AND OTHER MATTERS...... 1135

REPORT OF COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE...... 1144

ORDERS OF THE DAY...... 1145 ii October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 7

YELLOWKNIFE, NORTHWEST TERRITORIES Thursday, October 20, 2016 Members Present Hon. Glen Abernethy, Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. Blake, Hon. Caroline Cochrane, Ms. Green, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Robert McLeod, Hon. Bob McLeod, Mr. McNeely, Hon. Alfred Moses, Mr. Nadli, Mr. Nakimayak, Mr. O’Reilly, Hon. Louis Sebert, Hon. Wally Schumann, Mr. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Mr. Thompson, Mr. Vanthuyne

The House met at 1:30 p.m. Today, I would like to tell Members about a new online service that the 2. Prayer Apprenticeship, Trades, and Occupation Certification Program launched over the Prayer summer that demonstrates our SPEAKER (Hon. Jackson Lafferty): continued efforts to meet these Good afternoon, colleagues. Ministers' commitments. This new online system statements. Minister of Education, called "MyECE Apprenticeship, Trades, Culture and Employment. and Occupation Certification" was created to increase access to 3. Ministers' Statements apprenticeship, trades and occupation certification services and program MINISTER'S STATEMENT 87-18(2): updates. With this new service, LAUNCH OF MYECE FOR registered apprentices, trade qualifiers APPRENTICESHIP, TRADES, and occupational certificate trainees AND OCCUPATION have access to program information, CERTIFICATION can monitor progress in their chosen HON. ALFRED MOSES: Thank you, trade, view results from the technical Mr. Speaker. This government is training and exams, and can download committed to finding new ways to make official copies of marks and school it easier for NWT residents to acquire notice letters. the skills and training they need to get The system also offers apprentices and jobs and to connect employers to trainees a search and request function trained and qualified employees. for technical training courses, providing The Department of Education, Culture access for further training and skill and Employment plays a key role in this development. Mr. Speaker, these by focusing on fostering lifelong changes are the result of stakeholder learning, skill development, training, and input received over this last year. employability. That includes expanding Apprenticeship, Trades, and Occupation opportunities for tradesoriented learning, Certification staff have also been while also enhancing our engaging stakeholders and collecting communications, service delivery, and information to assist us in developing an way of doing business. NWT apprenticeship, trades and occupation certification strategy. Page 8 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

This strategy will outline how the economic opportunities and contributing Government of the Northwest Territories almost $9.7 million to the NWT's GDP. will strengthen and improve the apprenticeship and occupational This sector also provides opportunities certification program for employers and for employment and selfemployment apprentices alike. It will address one of with an estimated 24 film companies the priorities of the 18th Legislative and 106 fulltime equivalent jobs existing Assembly, expanding opportunities for in the NWT today. Most NWT film postsecondary education, producers operate as sole tradesoriented learning, and northern proprietorships and face the same educational institutions. The strategy will challenges as small or microbusinesses, be aligned with the goals of the writing their own proposals, department's Skills 4 Success initiative, selfmarketing, and handling which aims to improve employment administrative tasks in addition to their success for NWT residents, close skills creative and technical activities. gaps for indemand jobs, and more In line with the 18th Legislative effectively respond to employers' skill Assembly's economic priorities of needs. regional development and Mr. Speaker, this government knows diversification, our government is that improving access to program advancing initiatives and investments information through the expansion of its through the Northwest Territories Film online services is essential and defined Commission to support the NWT film in the Service Innovation Strategy. In sector and the benefits it generates for this age of consumer driven information, many of our other sectors of our service, and expectation, introducing economy. MyECE Apprenticeship, Trades, and Our actions and investments are guided Occupation Certification not only by Take One: Northwest Territories Film provides that important information to Strategy and Action Plan, which guides apprentices and trainees, it helps the planning and implementation of provide an avenue for residents to make policies, investments, and actions informed decisions on their careers and designed to position the NWT's film futures. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. sector for growth and prosperity. MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Ministers' Key to this is developing the skills and statements. Minister of Industry, competencies of NWT film producers Tourism and Investment. and providing training opportunities and experiences for members of this MINISTER'S STATEMENT 88-18(2): industry. Mr. Speaker, investments in GROWTH AND SUCCESS OF the skills, capacity, and competitiveness THE NWT FILM INDUSTRY of our film industry are resulting in HON. WALLY SCHUMANN: Thank growth and success. you, Mr. Speaker. Film, video, and In June this year, films were being digital media are at the centre of a produced in each one of the five growing and dynamic industry in the regions. This shows that our NWT, driving both cultural and investments are having the desired October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 9 economic result throughout the territory. This film was conceived and created This week, members of the NWT exclusively in the NWT, with much of its Professional Media Association and our cast and all of its crew hailing from film commissioner are in Toronto within our film industry. It has also attending ImagineNATIVE, a conference marked a banner moment for one of our designed to showcase films made by government's newest programs. "The Indigenous content creators. Sun at Midnight" was the first madeintheNWT film to receive funding As they promote the NWT and build through the NWT Film Commission's beneficial bonds in the wider Canadian Film Rebate Program. industry, our delegation is also learning and growing and will return with new Mr. Speaker, our government is connections and knowledge that will committed to continuing to streamline serve to add capacity to our industry. and enhance our offerings to the film sector. It is why we have chosen to Mr. Speaker, the Yellowknife increase access to the Film Rebate International Film Festival celebrated its th Program by decreasing the required 10 anniversary this year. Its program minimum expenditures and enhancing featured talented filmmakers from the rebate percentages. It is why we across the world and numerous have earmarked more support for film, workshops on marketing, distribution, and it is why we continue to talk with our and production. I am pleased to report industry stakeholders on how to improve the festival was a success, building the the production environment even international profile of our industry, further. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. providing opportunities for skills development within our local industry, MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Ministers' and offering an outlet for NWT artists to statements. Minister of Finance. share their work. Among the films that were screened were six madeintheNWT MINISTER'S STATEMENT 89-18(2): productions. TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS Our government takes pride in HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: Thank you, supporting this festival each year, and Mr. Speaker. Earlier this year, the we will continue to invest in the Government of the Northwest Territories opportunities it provides to advance took part in a national business growth in our film industry. I satisfaction survey known as "Taking congratulate the Western Arctic Moving Care of Business." The survey is Pictures team for their leadership, both administered independently by the in the presentation of the festival and in Institute for CitizenCentered Service. our industry. Between January and June 2016, more Another recent success in NWT film was than 200 NWT businesses were the premiere of the Fort McPherson and surveyed to get feedback on Yellowknife "The Sun at Midnight," a government service delivery. The results featurelength film from Jill and Jackfish will help government identify priorities Productions and NWT film veterans for improving service to businesses. Kirsten Carthew and Amos Scott. Page 10 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

The Department of Finance has offered in Yellowknife, Hay River, received the most recent results for the Norman Wells and Inuvik. NWT. Our service reputation score, which is businesses' general perception I want northern businesses to know the of government services, has improved GNWT values their input. We want to from 60 to 66 per cent. Our overall client see businesses succeed and continue satisfaction score was good, holding to make the NWT their preferred place steady at 59 per cent, slightly above the for doing business. We will continue to national average of 58 per cent. While participate in these surveys to check in we remain on par with other with businesses and residents on how to jurisdictions, there is still room for better serve them and thank all improvement. respondents who took part in this survey. Later today, at the appropriate The survey indicates that businesses time, I will table the results of the survey want to see the government go the extra Taking Care of Business 5. Thank you, mile to resolve issues in a timelier Mr. Speaker. manner. They want easier online access to service, improvements to the quality MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Ministers' of online information, and improved statements. Item 3, Members' responsiveness to email statements. Member for Tu Nedhe- communication. Wiilideh. As discussed in the House before, the 4. Members’ Statements Service Innovation Strategy is the GNWT’s plan to use technology to MEMBER'S STATEMENT ON improve service delivery, including REPRESENTATIVE PUBLIC enabling more services online. The SERVICE Office of the Chief Information Officer MR. BEAULIEU: Marci cho, Mr. helps departments put these services Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like online and monitors both business and to talk about the GNWT Human citizen satisfaction through the national Resources. For many years, this Taking Care of Business and Citizens government has tried to employ a public First surveys. service that's representative of the The department coordinates cross- population it serves. However, Mr. government initiatives, including Speaker, I think the approach is wrong. I planning for an online portal, a one-stop think the reason we have no reasonable shop to access online services, which is success is that we cannot achieve our a commitment made in this Legislative objectives by looking at the entire NWT Assembly. Finance also coordinates as a whole. We must start looking at service delivery training for managers representation by population on a and front-line staff across government to community-by-community basis. improve internal and external service. Firstly, the goal of the Affirmative Action More than 350 front-line employees and Policy is 51 per cent priority one 60 managers have taken part in this employees in the GNWT. Yet, in 2014 training to date. Courses have been the number of people who would qualify for priority one status is 46 per cent. October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 11

Therefore it becomes a little more So, Mr. Speaker, as you can see, in difficult than at the onset of the order to achieve a public service that Affirmative Action Policy in the 1980s. represents a population it serves, all it Mr. Speaker, I am speaking of people would take is some effort. Today, I will over the age of 15. That is a much have questions for the Minister of better statistic to work with. It's referred Human Resources on his thoughts on to as the "participation rate." how the government plans to move forward with this policy. Thank you, Mr. The second point is that it makes Speaker. application of this policy difficult in Yellowknife. Fifty-two per cent of our MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Members' public service resides in Yellowknife, yet statements. Member for Yellowknife only 17 per cent of the GNWT public North. service is priority one status. Mr. Speaker, this seems to be a low MEMBER'S STATEMENT ON number. However, only 19 per cent of SUPPORTING NORTHERN AND the population of Yellowknife would LOCAL BUSINESSES qualify for a priority one status under the MR. VANTHUYNE: Thank you, Mr. GNWT's Affirmative Action Policy. That Speaker. This week, in recognition of is about 50 employees, and that would Small Business Week, I've been be easily achievable if we were to use speaking about the importance of small that target. business. Small businesses are Mr. Speaker, the government must take important everywhere, in any economy, a proactive approach to affirmative but even more so in the NWT. action and start developing plans within Businesses in our communities face communities where there are larger unique challenges related to high costs, concentrations of employees, and work large distances, and small markets. Yet, with the regional management our communities are full of business committees to address this issue. It is success stories, and we all know a easier than you think, when you healthy small business environment is consider that 21 communities have a good for our communities and regions. It rate of 45 per cent priority one status or provides opportunities and higher. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous diversification and makes our consent to conclude my statement. economies more robust and stable. ---Unanimous consent granted So what can the rest of us do to support small business? Consumers have a lot MR. BEAULIEU: Marci cho, Mr. of choices these days as to where they Speaker. The current situation is filled can spend their dollars. Online shopping with uncertainty and confusion. The is pervasive and more internet sellers hiring department, the Department of are established every day. That puts Human Resources and, of course, most local small businesses at a huge importantly, applicants trying to get into disadvantage. So how can we help them the GNWT, whether they have priority compete? Each individual can do their status or not, are all unhappy. bit, but as a government, we have the opportunity to make larger changes to Page 12 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 the playing field. One thing we all should with Minister Cochrane, Minister do as individuals and as government Abernethy, and Minister Moses, Chief can be summed up very simply: buy Harry Deneron, Metis President Ernie local. McLeod, and the Mayor, Steven Steeves. Mr. Speaker, the Housing Mr. Speaker, the Yellowknife Chamber Corporation worked collaboratively with of Commerce knows how important this the Department of Health and Social is, so every year it promotes the local Services and consulted with the elders economy with the Shop YK Passport in the community to develop a building Program. We need to find ways to do that supports seniors to age in place the same thing at the territorial level. We and in their communities. must establish policy that ensures that government and industry operating in Mr. Speaker, I'm proud to say that we the NWT are doing the bulk of their had more than 40 people attend the spending and employing here, too. We official grand opening of the building. can help local businesses get started, The previous weeks saw the building but government and industry need to be have a soft opening, with over 75 their customers as well. residents attend this event. The residents of Fort Liard are very proud of Mr. Speaker, every dollar spent here is this new facility in their community. Mr. an investment in our families, Speaker, this building is very warm and businesses and communities. I welcoming. It has a gathering area with encourage my colleagues, my nine units. One is for a caretaker and his constituents, and all the residents of the wife; six units for seniors without NWT to spend your money at home, challenges; and two units that are built shop local, and government policies and accessible for people who have much encourage the same approach wheelchairs. across the board. For our economy, our community, and our neighbours, it's the Mr. Speaker, the biggest thing for me is right thing to do. Mr. Speaker, I will have making sure we're not moving seniors questions for the Minister of Industry, away from their families, friends, and Tourism and Investment at the also they are our past, which is our appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. foundation, our tradition, and they need Speaker. to stay in our communities. Mr. Speaker, it is about giving the elders and seniors MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Members' the dignity to live in an environment they statements. Member for Nahendeh. are familiar with. They have earned it. Another great thing about this project is MEMBER'S STATEMENT ON its built-in caretaker unit, which will GRAND OPENING OF FORT ensure that the building is safe and LIARD SUPPORTED secure. This has given an employment INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY opportunity to someone in the MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, Mr. community, which is very important. Speaker. On Monday, October 3rd, I had Mr. Speaker, I am pleased with this the pleasure of being part of the grand investment and this priority of the opening of a supported independent government. This centre supports our living complex for seniors in Fort Liard October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 13 elders in remaining here in Fort Liard "business information," and that the and near their friends and families. I can totals "may not equal 100 per cent due only hope that the Minister and the to the redaction of proprietary Housing Corporation have plans to build components." This doesn't leave me smaller, five-bedroom units, a variation very comfortable that we actually know of this unit, in smaller communities in what is going into the ground or its the NWT to continue to support one of possible effects. the mandates of the 18th Legislative Assembly, supporting elders to age in Next, the Premier discusses that the place. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. wells were monitored by the company while in operation and inspected by MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Members' OROGO. Unlike our land and water co- statements. Member for Frame Lake. management system I can't find these inspection reports in the OROGO public MEMBER'S STATEMENT ON registry on its website. After the HYDRAULIC FRACTURING company closed the wells, there is no REGULATORY SYSTEM monitoring done, and apparently OROGO has recently launched a MR. O'REILLY: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. voluntary monitoring program relying on The former Member for Weledeh asked local land users. This doesn't sound like about emissions, fluids and inspections a well thought out strategy where these at the hydraulic fracturing operations wells become public liabilities. This is carried out by ConocoPhillips in 2014. not consistent with a principle of polluter There was a secrecy ban on the release pays. In Alberta, there's an abandoned of some information at that time. I asked wells fund paid for by industry. again about it on the understanding that the secrecy period had now ended. The company's surface and groundwater monitoring reports for I will leave alone the issue of which hydraulic fracturing are apparently filed Minister is actually responsible for the with the Sahtu Land and Water Board. Office of the Regulator of Oil and Gas, Finally, monitoring and inspections of as that one looks like a hot potato. Let's these activities is carried out by focus on what was said in the Premier's Environment and Natural Resources, September 28th response: "Only 28 per but I can't find any evidence from the cent of the load fracking fluid was Sahtu Land and Water Board that recovered from the Dodo Canyon well anyone from GNWT actually reviews and 24.5 per cent from the Mirror Lake and comments on these reports for any well." I guess the rest is still down there potential problems. Mr. Speaker, I seek somewhere. Is this the best we can do unanimous consent to conclude my at recovering this stuff that is injected statement. into our groundwater? ---Unanimous consent granted Next, the Premier says that the volumes in composition of the fracking fluids are MR. O'REILLY: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker, found on a website called fracfocus.ca. and thank you to my colleagues. In When I looked at the website and the conclusion, what this response to my reports for these wells, I found that written questions shows is a convoluted some of that data may be confidential regulatory system for oil and gas, a lack Page 14 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 of transparency, and the failure to the Health Authority to rent a space the ensure that we are not creating liabilities size of a living room to make this dream for future generations. This is not why a reality. Kudos to the government for we got devolution. I will ask questions making this funding available to the later today for the Premier or whoever's Rainbow Coalition of Yellowknife. in charge of oil and gas these days. Merci, Monsieur le President. Most nights of the week volunteers offer programs that address a broad variety MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Members' of issues from support groups to statements. Member for Yellowknife confidence-building activities, and from Centre. discussion about addictions to providing a place for the parents of queer youth to MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON meet for support. This is important: it's RAINBOW COALITION YOUTH also a place to have fun. On average, CENTRE ten youth visit the centre each day. That's not all; these tireless volunteers MS. GREEN: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. provide outreach to the broader Speaker the Rainbow Centre in community in the form of workshops and Yellowknife offers important support to training opportunities for government, young people, especially those who business, non-profit, school and anyone identify themselves as queer, meaning else who wants them. They also provide gay, lesbian or bisexual, or who are consultations and support to other non- questioning their gender or sexual profits looking to make sure their identity. The centre offers programs by programming is inclusive. Simply by youth and for youth. The centre officially being, the Rainbow Youth Centre is a opened at the end of August with beacon of tolerance, acceptance and several of my colleagues in attendance credibility within our community. along with our Member of Parliament and the Mayor of Yellowknife. Mr. Mr. Speaker, I'm pleased to congratulate Speaker, the Rainbow Youth Centre is the Rainbow Youth Centre for receiving open thanks to a small group of hard- the Territorial Youth Centre's Award of working volunteers. Jacq Brasseur, Excellence last month. Mr. Speaker, Nicole Garbutt and Nancy MacNeill when I was young and trying to recognized that queer youth needed understand my sexuality there was no peer support. Together they founded It Rainbow Centre to help. Having a Gets Better Yellowknife five years ago. Rainbow Centre in Yellowknife is a great Earlier this year, they had a successful accomplishment, not only for the youth week of community-wide discussions who visit but for all of us. I offer the around gender and sexual identity under young people who established the the Days of Pink banner. centre and volunteer at it my warmest congratulations. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, these passionate volunteers recognize that queer and MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Members' trans youth needed a dedicated safe statements. Member for Kam Lake. space of their own. They obtained funding from the GNWT Departments of Health and Social Services, MACA and October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 15

MEMBER'S STATEMENT ON students, elders and traditional healers A NEW DAY HEALING and uses traditional healing programs. PROGRAM They deliver group and individual therapy, as well as do presentations to MR. TESTART: Thank you, Mr. community meetings with other service Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the rate of providers and do group therapy in reported spousal assaults in the communities with men and boys at risk Northwest Territories is one of the of perpetrating abuse. They've been highest in the country, second only to recognized by the Public Health Agency Nunavut, measuring in at nine to 12 of Canada Aboriginal Best Practices times the provincial average. Members Program, and, as this government has of this Assembly recognize that fact as a stated previously, this program is in crisis. In our priorities document before response to the Truth and Reconciliation we created the mandate we committed Calls to Action to address residential to taking action on the crisis of family school trauma. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to and community violence. When the seek unanimous consent to conclude mandate was developed we made a my statement. commitment to continue to support healing programs for men who use ---Unanimous consent granted violence in intimate relationships, such as a New Day Healing Program. Today MR. TESTART: Thank you, Mr. I'd like to talk a bit about the New Day Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. This Healing Program. Through 2015 this New Day Program has presented both program for men who use violence saw nationally and internationally and soon 138 clients made up of 65 new male there will be a national CBC clients on a one-on-one basis, 28 documentary just about this program female clients and 48 clients in group and how effective it has been. The last therapy at the North Slave Correctional thing in speaking to New Day, they say Centre. we know this program works because people come back, and that speaks From January to September of this year highly to its success rates. they saw a total of 195 clients that have already been seen to date; 71 male If we're going to continue to tackle this clients, 28 female partners who sought problem, this crisis of family violence, help and safety planning and 89 clients and change our dubious distinction as at the correctional centre. This, the second worst in Canada we need to combined with 31 repeat clients from the continue to support healing programs original program, makes for a total of like this, and A New Day is a great place 348 clients served by only two staff over to start; a great program to continue a period of two and a half years. This working with, to continue to expand. I'd program is the only program in the today like to commend them for their Northwest Territories that allows for self- efforts to help Northerners help referrals. People do not have to get themselves and focus on preventative arrested, be incarcerated, or be in a care. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. medical crisis to get service. They're the MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Members' only program that employs Indigenous statements. Member for Deh Cho. counsellors, northern Indigenous Page 16 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

MEMBER'S STATEMENT ON they know that they are not alone and CANCER AWARENESS IN THE that as their representatives we will MONTH OF OCTOBER continue to support them. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. MR. NADLI: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the month of October is the MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Member's month to promote awareness of breast statements. Member for Mackenzie cancer and liver cancer. Today I'll use Delta. my Member's statement to talk about the presence of cancer in the lives of MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON Northerners. We know that the NURSING SERVICES IN Northwest Territories performs poorly on TSIIGEHTCHIC many health measurements when MR. BLAKE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. they're compared to the rest of Canada. Mr. Speaker, over the years I have sat This includes physical activity, daily in this House, but my constituents in smoking, heavy drinking and healthy Tsiigehtchic look forward to this time of eating. These factors contribute to other year, not only because it is the time of health issues, including cancer. In fact, hunting and fishing, Mr. Speaker, but it cancer is one of the NWT's top three is also one of the times during the year leading causes of avoidable death. that we have a full qualified nurse, Knowledge is power, Mr. Speaker. We during freeze-up. need to talk about these things, we need to learn. For example, thanks to strong Mr. Speaker, I can't express enough the public awareness campaigns we know relief in the community during this time that smoke can seriously increase as a when we have a nurse in our cancer risk. But did you know that community. Mr. Speaker, I think we're a alcohol, even drinking in moderation, little ways off from getting a full-time also increases your cancer risk? Many nurse in Tsiigehtchic, but I think we're people do not. making progress with the new unit that's been put in Tsiigehtchic for both nurses Mr. Speaker, we often speak of battling and the RCMP. Mr. Speaker, I'll have or fighting cancer. The problem with some questions for the Minister later talking like this though is that it sets up today. Mahsi. winners and losers, when we know that all patients supported by our medical MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Member's professionals are doing their best and statements. Member for Sahtu. fighting in difficult circumstances. Mr. Speaker, cancer can be beaten, but MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON right now not all cancers can be beaten. POST-DEVOLUTION But working together on research, ENVIRONMENTAL prevention, screening and treatment, I REMEDIATION APPROACHES hope to see us get there. MR. MCNEELY: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Speaker, finally I'd like to recognize Speaker. Today my statement is on the all Northerners who are dealing with the devolution and the transfer of effects of cancer on their lives and the responsibilities negotiated over many lives of their friends and families. I hope assemblies at a cost. Now that we are October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 17 faced with the largest oil field industrial Mr. Speaker, as the Arctic melts the sea reclamation in the North, which also level is rising, the loss of our ice is occupies the NWT Power Corporation's challenging our communities dependent power plants and land tenure issues and on snow and ice and turn these coastal for other various liabilities that could be communities at sea level, the global viewed as a transfer to this government community shares that we are more after the post-devolution of this piece of common than we are different. In our property is cleaned and transferred. relationship to the land the challenges we face as our land is changed rapidly I will later have questions to the Minister and unpredictably, and the best practice of Lands. It could be also viewed in light is to mitigate these changes and adapt of the fact that it's Small Business to the challenges. Subsistence-oriented Week, that this could be a huge communities have a multi-dimensional contribution to the economic community, relationship with the land, the the business community. Already we environment, the animals, and the have seen permits being applied for by plants it provides. This relationship is the occupant and a cost quotation spiritual, physical, economic and estimated at spending $178 million for cultural. Subsistence-oriented the reclamation. I would think that's a communities including both Indigenous sizeable market to track the small and non-Indigenous peoples depend on business community during this natural resources for our livelihoods and particular week. Later I will have cultural identity. questions, as mentioned, to the Minister of Lands. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we know our land and our Indigenous knowledge of ecological MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Member's systems can reflect great time depth. statements. Member for Nunakput. Our knowledge can deepen our understanding of the climate change by MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON providing insight into its effects on TUKTOYAKTUK SHORELINE ecosystems and people. In all regions of EROSION MITIGATION the world Indigenous peoples are PROJECT observing multiple linked environmental MR. NAKIMAYAK: Thank you, Mr. changes. For example, as noted above, Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the last sitting I Arctic coastal communities link changes spoke about shoreline erosion in the in sea ice, ice cover and dynamics to Community of Tuktoyaktuk. Mr. coastal erosion and recently the need to Speaker, the climate is changing on a relocate some communities, Mr. global scale with profound effects on Speaker. People also recognize that local marine, freshwater and terrestrial these changes have ramifying ecosystems across all continents. consequences such as effects on Moreover, although most regions of the animal migration patterns. Many of the world will be affected by these global effects on climate change on processes, some of the areas of types communities' lifestyles. Fine-scale of ecosystems such as the Arctic will environmental changes have enormous experience effects of climate change consequences for Inuit communities. Mr. more dramatically. Speaker, today I will have questions for Page 18 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 the Minister of MACA on the also recognize all the other pages in the Tuktoyaktuk mitigation planning project. House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Quyanainni, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Recognition of MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Members’ visitors in the gallery. Member for Deh statements. Item 4, returns to oral Cho. questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Tu Nedhe- MR. NADLI: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Wiilideh. It's not often I rise up in the House and recognize people, but I'd like to 5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery recognize Ernie Abel, the executive director of Tree of Peace and also at the MR. BEAULIEU: Marci cho, Mr. same time Mr. William Greenland, Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I facilitator of A New Day program. Mahsi. recognized the two pages that are here from my riding, but I got one of the MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Recognition of schools wrong, so I'm going to do it visitors in the gallery. Member for again. I would like to recognize Bryanna Yellowknife Centre. Cheesma from the Kaw Tay Whee MS GREEN: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. School in Detah and Joseph Charlo- Speaker, it's my pleasure to introduce Lafferty from the St. Patrick School here Jacq Brasseur, she's the driving force in Yellowknife. Also I'd like to recognize behind the new Rainbow Youth Centre some other members from Detah that in Yellowknife. are here, our interpreter Mary Rose Sundberg of course has become a MR. SPEAKER: Recognition of visitors regular interpreter in the House thanks in the gallery. Member for Inuvik Boot to you, Mr. Speaker. Also I'd like to Lake. recognize Mr. Ernie Abel, Ernie is a MR. MOSES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. father of our hard working administrator At this time I'd like to welcome my Shawn Abel who's in administration here cousin, William Greenland to the House for us. I'd also like to recognize our and also a well-renowned artist here in deputy sergeant-at-arms who's also the Northwest Territories. Welcome. originally from Detah, Derek Edjericon. Thank you. MR. SPEAKER: Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Kam Lake. MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for MR. TESTART: Thank you, Mr. Yellowknife South. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd also like to recognize Mr. William Greenland from MR. BOB MCLEOD: Thank you, Mr. the New Day program, Ernest Abel, Speaker. I'd like to recognize several Executive Director from the Tree of Yellowknife South constituents. First of Peace. Thank you for all that you do for all, Mr. Eric Bilodeau. Mr. Bilodeau is a men in need. I'd also like to recognize student studying politics in the North. Jacq Brasseur for her amazing work Welcome to the House. Also two pages with the Rainbow Coalition of from Yellowknife South constituency, Yellowknife. Finally, I'd like to recognize Drew Wolfe and Elle Mitchener, and I my constituency assistant Garett October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 19

Cochrane, it's his birthday today, and acknowledgements. Member for Hay we're very pleased to have him in the River North. Chamber. Thank you. 6. Acknowledgements MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Sahtu. ACKNOWLEDGEMENT 10-20(2): ALISON KILGOUR, GNWT LONG MR. MCNEELY: Thank you, Mr. SERVICE AWARD RECIPIENT Speaker. I too would like to recognize Jacq Brasseur, providing small MR. SIMPSON: Thank you, community contributions to our small Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to communities and William Greenland, a acknowledge longtime Hay River familiar voice to our small communities resident, Alison Kilgour. Earlier this providing announcements and month, Ms. Kilgour received the Long emergency messages going to the Service Award for her 45 years of smaller communities through the service with the GNWT. This is a airways. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. milestone that only one other GNWT employee has ever achieved. Ms. MR. SPEAKER: Recognition of visitors Kilgour was raised in the North. After in the gallery. Member for Yellowknife attending university, she moved to Hay North. River, began working at Library Services MR. VANTHUYNE: Thank you, in the Hay River Centennial Library, and Mr. Speaker. I, as well, want to take this she has been there ever since. Her opportunity today to recognize a page coworkers describe her as a model that works with us that is also a employee. It's assured that whatever Yellowknife North resident, and that is task she takes on will be completed Rayyan Awan. I want to thank all of our thoroughly and without compromise. In pages for what they do for us. We're, addition to acknowledging her frankly, lost without them, so we achievement, I also want to thank Ms. appreciate your efforts. I also want to Kilgour for her 45 years of dedicated take this opportunity to recognize Jacq service. Today is her last day with the Brasseur, who does a lot of work for the GNWT. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. community, especially for Rainbow MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Congratulations Coalition of Yellowknife as well as her to her, as well. Acknowledgements. Item involvement in the United Way. I, as 7, oral questions. Member for Nunakput. well, want to take this opportunity to recognize a well-known personality, 7. Oral Questions Mr. William Greenland, who I believe is still a resident of the Yellowknife North. QUESTION 365-18(2): Thank you. TUKTOYAKTUK SHORELINE EROSION MITIGATION MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Recognition of PROJECT visitors in the gallery. Anyone in the gallery, welcome to our Chamber. It's MR. NAKIMAYAK: Thank you, always nice to have an audience as part Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier I of our proceedings. Item 6, spoke about the shoreline erosion in the community of Tuktoyaktuk, and my Page 20 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 questions are for the Minister of summer of 2017. In addition to Municipal and Community Affairs. community visits, the project will involve Mr. Speaker, my question is: what is the engagement, consultation, and department doing to help the community collaboration with community leadership of Tuktoyaktuk address its longstanding and residents. We also recognize that shoreline erosion challenges? Thank traditional knowledge is a really you, Mr. Speaker. important part of understanding flood risk and the damage that has occurred MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Minister of over the years. As such, this traditional Municipal and Community Affairs. knowledge will be incorporated into the HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank research. We'll also be sharing the you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the report with the federal Minister of Department of Municipal and Infrastructure and with the Minister of Community Affairs submitted a proposal the Environment. to the federal and national disaster MR. NAKIMAYAK: Mr. Speaker, my mitigation program. I'm pleased to report third question to the Minister is: given that we have been just recently the effort is aimed at completing a approved for the amount of $250,000 planning study only, what can be done through this program to complete a beyond this project to actually protect disaster mitigation plan for Tuktoyaktuk. the shoreline and residents in the The hamlet is also contributing $70,000 future? towards this project. HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: The The mitigation plan will lessen the Government of the Northwest Territories impact of future disasters resulting from takes the climate change and the intense wave action and severe storm shoreline erosion very seriously, so we surges. The plan will also guide the have seriously invested time and energy development and protection of critical into lobbying the federal government. infrastructure and improve planning and emergency preparedness and flood Once the mitigation options are response. Both the Inuvialuit Regional identified through the plan, the hamlet Corporation and the hamlet council are may also submit future funding supportive of this work, and we're proposals through this program to help pleased to be able to complete this. fund mitigation projects, such as Thank you, Mr. Speaker. potentially relocating structures to safer areas, diversions, and flood proofing. MR. NAKIMAYAK: Mr. Speaker, my We're also going to continue working second question to the Minister is: when closely with the hamlet to identify any will work be completed, and how will it options and opportunities to action the involve community leadership and recommendations in the plan. Of residents? course, we recognize that good HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Work community planning will be necessary to will begin right away, in the fall of 2016. ensure success in this project, so the We're assuming that the project will take hamlet is currently taking steps in this approximately 16 months to complete. area through their review of a Much of the work will occur during the community plan. October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 21

Once again, the Government of the community of Tuktoyaktuk is in serious Northwest Territories takes this issue condition, and we are doing our best to very seriously, and we're looking for all try to support them in mitigating this funding and options to actually issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. implement the plan once developed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. Member for Nahendeh. MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. Member for Nunakput. QUESTION 366-18(2): CASSIDY POINT LAND TENURE MR. NAKIMAYAK: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Minister for MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, that response, very detailed. Mr. Speaker. In the June sitting, I asked Mr. Speaker, my final question for the some questions for the Minister of Minister is: will funding be available in Lands. Today, I wish to follow up on the future to complete mitigation these questions. Can the Minister projects? Quyanainni, Mr. Speaker. please provide the title of the official who made the commitment to move HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank ahead with the fee simple transaction at you, Mr. Speaker. At the moment, the Cassidy Point? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. federal government has made funding available for only five years. However, MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Minister of there remains a great interest amongst Lands. the provinces and territories and, I HON. LOUIS SEBERT: Mr. Speaker, believe, the federal government to the commitment to Cassidy Point address the climate change issues that leaseholders was made by the then we're experiencing. assistant deputy minister of MACA in Therefore, MACA will continue to 1992. Thank you. advocate for disaster mitigation funding MR. THOMPSON: 1992, that's a long through its role at the time to follow through on a commitment. federalprovincialterritorial tables. As I appreciate the government's ability to before, MACA will continue to work with do that. Could the Minister please the community to prepare any proposal provide this House, is there a tabled that they wish to advance. However, document that they can show, or was there are no guarantees at this time that this a verbal commitment, a written approval will be received. The program commit? Can we table that document? is entirely meritbased, and approval depends largely on where the greatest HON. LOUIS SEBERT: Mr. Speaker, cost savings might be achieved from I'm not able to table the 1992 letter to future flood events. the Cassidy Point leaseholders. It's correspondence between a government The hamlet currently has the ability, official and private individuals about also, to allocate a portion or all of their lease arrangements and contains community public infrastructure dollars information that is not appropriate for yearly to mitigation projects to support the public domain. However, I would be the erosion issue that is impacting this happy to share with the Member the community. We do recognize that the Page 22 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 exact wording made to the leaseholders MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. at Cassidy Point. I'm quoting now: "The Member for Nahendeh. intention of Municipal and Community Affairs, MACA, is to grant title to the MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, Mr. existing leaseholders on Cassidy Point Speaker, and I thank the Minister, again, by September 1993. for his answer. I guess I'm a little concerned, if it's not part of that territory, In order to accomplish this, a legal then did they work with Yellowknife? But survey will be required to define the that would be further on, I'll be asking properties. The legal survey should be some questions on that. Will the Minister completed by September 1992 as a first please explain if the arrangement made step in the transfer of ownership. Title to with the Yellowknives Dene or the only the Cassidy Point cottage leases Akaitcho First Nation or Regional are being offered at this time because of Organization can be used in other its long-term status as a cottage unsettled areas? Thank you, Mr. subdivision, its year-round access, and Speaker. due to the absence of subdivision plans for other cottage areas on HON. LOUIS SEBERT: It is not GNWT Commissioner's lands. policy to offer fee simple title in unsettled areas of the Northwest MR. THOMPSON: I thank the Minister Territories. In certain circumstances, for his answer. Can the Minister please exceptions are possible, but it is explain to this House what important that we do not create a arrangements were made with the patchwork of exceptions and one-offs in Yellowknife Dene First Nation to allow our approach. this land to be sold instead of the common practice of returning the lease In the case of Cassidy Point, an in the areas where land claims are not exception was made to honour a long- settled? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. standing commitment to leaseholders over two decades ago. Going forward, HON. LOUIS SEBERT: The we want to rely on a systemic approach. Department of Lands, under formal Decisions will be based on broader consultations with the Akaitcho Dene policy goals of sustainable land First Nation between December 2014 management for the benefit of all and February 2015 about offering Northerners, now a commitment to existing leaseholders at Cassidy Point finalization of land claim agreements in the opportunity to pursue fee simple all areas. title. This letter was also copied to the Yellowknives Dene First Nation chiefs. I suggest also, Mr. Speaker, that it is No concerns were raised during the particularly important that the consultation period. It is also important Government of the Northwest Territories to note, Mr. Speaker, that Cassidy Point honour its commitments no matter how is not located within the Akaitcho Interim old they are. It comes with the honour of Withdrawal Area, which is an area the Crown. Thank you. temporarily protected from disposition in MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. support of concluding a final agreement Member for Kam Lake. with the Akaitcho. October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 23

QUESTION 367-18(2): this program or is it to move forward A NEW DAY HEALING with something different? PROGRAM HON. LOUIS SEBERT: As I mentioned MR. TESTART: Thank you, Mr. in prior questions, I think during our last Speaker. Today I have questions for the session, there is a study of the program Minister of Justice. In the 17th Assembly, that is being conducted at this very time. the honourable Member for Great Slave I am expecting the results of that study was Minister of Justice at the time. within the next few weeks, I think by the During the time of his tenure as Justice end of November. At that point, we will Minister, he expressed his gratitude decide which course we will take. towards those involved with developing and delivering the New Day Program, as MR. TESTART: At this point, the well as those men who were choosing a facilitators of the New Day Program are better way: "We know that family unsure of their continuing role in violence is deliberate. We know that delivering this service in the Northwest violence is based on a pattern of Territories. Can the Minister commit to behaviours against the will and against meeting with the staff of the New Day the well-being of family members. This Program and perhaps working on ways program will be a significant step to improve the current existing program? towards positive change." So that's I think Members of this House have when the pilot started, Mr. Speaker. signalled, by putting the name of the program in the mandate, that this is Today, my question for the current something we support, continue to Minister of Justice: does the Minister support, and want to see preserved. recognize the significant achievements of the New Day Program in fulfilling the HON. LOUIS SEBERT: I am very much mandate of this Assembly and the looking forward to receiving the report. designed intentions of the program, and It's going to be a very extensive report, does he commit to continuing to support and when I receive that, I'll determine this program after the pilot expires? what action we should take next. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Minister of Member for Kam Lake. Justice. MR. TESTART: Thank you, Mr. HON. LOUIS SEBERT: Certainly, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister commit to providing that report and an update on Speaker, this government recognizes st the seriousness of family violence in the the situation before December 31 of Northwest Territories. We are committed this calendar year, when the pilot to the types of programs such as New program is due to expire? Thank you, Day. As the Member opposite likely Mr. Speaker. knows, this is a pilot project, however, SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, Hear. which ends on December 31, 2016. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. HON. LOUIS SEBERT: No. MR. TESTART: What is the intention of ---Laughter the department today? Is it to extend Page 24 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

Mr. Speaker, there seems to be a the Canada Child Benefit differing opinion on this side of the implementation here in the Northwest House, but I don't think I can commit to Territories, there were some concerns any specific date, as I'm not certain that were going around on Facebook when I will actually receive it, but it will and social media that were brought to be shared with Members opposite. our attention. We assured individuals Thank you. that nothing was going to change; in fact, money was going to go up after MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. August 1st. So, yes, since we have the Member for Yellowknife Centre. implementation, we haven't heard any concerns. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. QUESTION 368-18(2): CHANGES TO INCOME MS. GREEN: To say again, this is an e- ASSISTANCE REGULATIONS mail exchange where the Minister has signed the e-mails and the resident has MS. GREEN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. signed the e-mails, and he expresses My questions are for the Minister of his concern about the reduction of food Education, Culture and Employment. and clothing allowances within the Earlier this week, I asked questions Income Assistance Regulations. Could about the change in Income Assistance the Minister please clarify that, in fact, Regulations. You will recall that the he has heard concerns about the government has eliminated the food and changes that have been made? clothing allowance for children under 18. The Minister assured us on both HON. ALFRED MOSES: Any concerns Monday and Tuesday that there have that were brought to the attention of the been no concerns brought to our office. office, we clarified the situation. As I mentioned, we've taken out the Canada Mr. Speaker, a resident contacted me Child Benefit that was introduced on with his concerns about this reduction. July 1st, so we wouldn't count them in The resident forwarded to me written the assessments, meaning that all responses signed by the Minister children and all families, in fact, got the addressing those concerns, which he full amount of the Canada Child Benefit brought to the attention of the Minister. and we just clarified anything that came I'll table these e-mails at the appropriate up. Since that, we haven't heard any time. Could the Minister please clarify concerns since then. his statement that he hasn't heard any concerns about the change in Income MS. GREEN: So is the Minister saying, Assistance Regulations? Mahsi, Mr. then, that he has heard concerns about Speaker. the changes in the Income Assistance allowances? MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. HON. ALFRED MOSES: Yes. Prior to implementation, actually our CSO staff HON. ALFRED MOSES: Thank you, got very good training, should that Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will continue going anyone that's on income assistance that on and saying that we haven't heard any was concerned about the changes concerns since the implementation of coming forward, that we are going to the Canada Child Benefit. Leading up to provide them the information that they October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 25 need. If the client that the Member is QUESTION 369-18(2): talking about, and the Member herself or SUPPORTS FOR NORTHERN any Members of this House, any of the AND LOCAL BUSINESSES 19 Members that are concerned about the implementation of our changes to MR. VANTHUYNE: Thank you, Mr. the income assistance we'd be glad to Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are give an update; have them sit down with for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and one of our client service officers. As I Investment. My questions are about the said, each situation is unique and government's policies in support of different and we'd be willing to sit down northern businesses and manufacturing. and provide that information to clarify Northern manufacturing includes the full the concerns that the Member has. spectrum of the economy from agriculture to industry. How is the MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. GNWT promoting local manufactured Member for Yellowknife Centre. products and encouraging residents to buy local? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MS. GREEN: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I'm going to table these e-mails and I will MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Minister of pursue my concerns in greater detail at Industry, Tourism and Investment. another time. But my last question in this string is to ask the Minister what his HON. WALLY SCHUMANN: I'm glad to answer this question, because before I department has done proactively to th explain the changes to people who got elected to the 18 Legislative receive income assistance about their Assembly I helped move the allowances. Not about the child benefit, manufacturing group together and get the Canada child benefit, but about the lobby together to how we can make change in the income assistance things better within the GNWT and allowances. working with the manufacturers. Currently, the department is working HON. ALFRED MOSES: As I with the Manufacturers' Association in mentioned earlier, all our client service updating their marketing plan moving officers got the adequate training; the forward, with a goal to help them training that they need should any promote their products both within the concerns be brought forth from our Northwest Territories and within industry income assistance clients. As I and this is something that we are mentioned yesterday, all the dollars that working on. were going to the clients, ones with families especially, have actually gone MR. VANTHUYNE: Thank you to the up in every household. So any other Minister for his reply, and I also further concerns, I'd ask them to go and commend the Minister for his previous speak to a client service officer. Thank efforts in this regard. Mr. Speaker, you, Mr. Speaker. recently ITI provided a presentation at Opportunities North conference that MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. showed small businesses were in Member for Yellowknife North. significant decline in the NWT. How is ITI working to determine why small business is in decline, more importantly how will they correct this trend? Page 26 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

HON. WALLY SCHUMANN: Yes, small people purchase northern manufactured business is in decline in the Northwest products in NWT. Thank you, Mr. Territories and probably right across Speaker. Canada in most jurisdictions as the economy has been in a downturn for MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. quite a while. There are lots of Member for Hay River North. challenges facing northern businesses. QUESTION 370-18(2): People are shopping online, people are RATIONALE FOR going south to stretch their dollars as DEPARTMENTAL POSITION much as they can, but what is the REDUCTIONS department doing to correct this trend? MR. SIMPSON: Thank you, Mr. We have a number of programs that Speaker. I have questions for the we're trying to do to help small Minister of Education, Culture and businesses in the Northwest Territories, Employment. We just went through a from the SEED Program, to marketing business plan session with the their programs, to assisting them with departments; I'm still trying to wrap my financing and stuff as such. We will head around it. The first time we went continue to do that and we will continue through this most of us were very new to work with the small businesses and and I didn't quite understand the chambers across the Northwest process, and I'm still not clear on some Territories to try to correct this trend. things and so I'd like to clarify with the MR. VANTHUYNE: Thank you to the Minister about some of the decisions Minister for his reply. Mr. Speaker, my that were made. Specifically, when the final question is: as we develop department is looking at cutting contracts for larger projects, are we positions as was done throughout the emphasizing local benefits by ensuring GNWT, what factors are considered that subcontracts are bundled into when determining which positions are manageable accessible segments for expendable? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. local independent business? MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Minister of HON. WALLY SCHUMANN: As a Education, Culture and Employment. government, we're always looking at HON. ALFRED MOSES: Thank you, how to maximize local and Northern Mr. Speaker. When the departments content in all contracts and procurement look at any kind of reductions within our in the Northwest Territories, and we will programs, specifically when it comes to continue to review our policies and stuff positions in the GNWT, we look at three moving forward to maximize that. factors. One is the nature of the A couple of things that we do use position: does the incumbent require already to help maximize local specialized training or could the task be involvement is the BIP Policy; that gives delegated to others within the work unit. someone local and northern content to Another one is the status of the position; give you a little leverage over anyone whether it is vacant or not. The third else, and also the Northern factor that we do take into consideration Manufacturing Policy has a whole is risks and impact on program delivery: different set of rules around it to help October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 27 could the program continue to be someone's position who is up for the delivered with staff that are still within chopping block? Thank you, Mr. that division. Speaker. MR. SIMPSON: So what level in the HON. ALFRED MOSES: Going through government are these expendable such an exercise is difficult on our positions identified at? Is it the office senior management. Obviously, we manager, regional manager, director, don't want to look at any positions being ADM, deputy minister, et cetera? cut as affecting residents of the Northwest Territories, but we do look at HON. ALFRED MOSES: Mr. Speaker, the position based on those three all positions from entry level to factors. It's not based on the individual management are looked at and that's in that position, it's based solely reviewed and we base it on those three on the position and using those three factors that I mentioned; mostly the one factors to identify should a job be cut that would be least disruptive to the that it will have the least disruption to program delivery in that division. the programs that they serve. Thank MR. SIMPSON: My question, I must not you, Mr. Speaker. have phrased it properly is: who MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. determines if the position is Member for Frame Lake. expendable? Is it the deputy minister? Is it the ADM? Is it the director? Is it the QUESTION 371-18(2): director in consultation with the HYDRAULIC FRACTURING manager? At what level is that position REGULATORY SYSTEM identified and that decision made? MR. O'REILLY: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. HON. ALFRED MOSES: Given the Earlier today, I spoke of the uncertainty confidentiality of the reduction exercise, and lack of transparency around how senior management that the department hydraulic fracturing seems to be taking delivered the exercise with the positions place in the Northwest Territories. There as mentioned from entry level to doesn't seem to be any kind of management. monitoring program for abandoned wells MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. and no funds from industry to help to do Member for Hay River North. this or pay for any remediation that may be necessary. Alberta has an orphan or MR. SIMPSON: Thank you, Mr. abandoned well system. Will the Speaker. So from the sounds of it, it's Minister responsible commit to senior management, which I assume is developing and implementing a above a director. I'm not quite sure what polluterpay system to ensure that there "senior management" means, but they is monitoring, inspection, and the identified positions that they feel as necessary funds to carry out though could be filled by someone else remediation of abandoned wells? Merci, or it won't affect the work being done on Monsieur le President. the front lines. So I just want to confirm there's no consultation with the actual MR. SPEAKER: Minister of Industry, office manager or a direct supervisor of Tourism and Investment. Page 28 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

HON. WALLY SCHUMANN: Thank office of the regulator of the oil and gas you, Mr. Speaker. We have committed operations, and, as such, I'll have to in our mandate to develop and propose take this question as notice. Thank you, amendments to the Oil and Gas Mr. Speaker. Operations Act and the Petroleum Resources Act. These acts are currently MR. SPEAKER: Masi. The question has mirrored on the federal government that been taken as notice. Oral questions. was in place prior to devolution, but, Member for Deh Cho. moving forward, we are currently in the QUESTION 372-18(2): early stages and we will be seeking CANCER AWARENESS, input from MLAs and others for PREVENTION AND TREATMENT information on this process. The public PROGRAMS review process, when it happens, will be the opportunity that we must use to MR. NADLI: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. identify and address those in areas of Earlier, I spoke about the month of concern and priority of NWT residents. cancer awareness. Many times, on occasions, we're given the opportunity I guess the other thing I'd like to mention of trying to raise the awareness, so my is the Member has raised a number of questions are to the Minister of Health concerns on oil and gas so far in the and Social Services. In the NWT, what House, and I can assure him that these services does the department provide are well recognized, and I welcome him for cancer patients from initial diagnoses to bring these comments forward when to treatment and beyond? Mahsi. we help guide this review. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Minister of Health and Social Services. MR. O'REILLY: I appreciate the response from the Minister. I really look HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: Thank you. forward to bringing forward my ideas Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, and suggestions when we finally get it's kind of a difficult question to answer, there, but the response by the Premier given that every individual will be treated to my written questions tabled earlier in differently, depending on the nature of this session reveals a convoluted their illness. We do have providers regulatory system that is not open or across the Northwest Territories who transparent. can do some frontline diagnosis and assessment, and, if an individual is at Previously, we've heard the risk or there are concerns about cancer, words "evolve" and "devolve." Can the they certainly can be referred to a Minister responsible provide any specialist who can help develop an assurances that we will improve this and individual care plan that suits the move to a co-management system as is individual and the particular type of currently in place for land and water, cancer they have. where openness and transparency are far greater? But, on a broader scale, Mr. Speaker, we do have the 10year cancer strategy HON. WALLY SCHUMANN: To answer that we put in place. In fact, I tabled it in the Member's question, we will need to October of 2015. This is a 10year plan. obtain the technical information from the October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 29

This is the first strategy that we've had the Member said in his statement, which in place, and, as a result of that, we're I thought was a very fantastic and a very doing a number of things across the thorough statement. Northwest Territories to help people who are living with and/or going through We're working with different treatment processes, things like sharing communities. There are different circles and other opportunities for community wellness plans in place to people to get together, share their create awareness, to create promotion, experiences, and work together through and we do have the cancer strategy in the healing process. But, when it comes place. We have "Let's Talk About to actual treatment, Mr. Speaker, like I Cancer" websites, where there's a tonne said, very difficult to answer. It really of information. I would strongly depends on the individual and the encourage the Member to encourage all nature of the cancer that he or she may of his constituents to please take a look have. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. at this website and learn about the information that's on there and talk to MR. NADLI: I'd like to thank the Minister family members, encourage people to for his reply. At the very minimum, eat healthy and not smoke and get cancer patients that go through the physical activity. In fact, I would experience of dealing with this condition, encourage all Members to use the at the very minimum, this system should means that are available to them have a care and compassion, and a through newsletters and other public system sometimes becomes very promotional materials to get that impersonal. What is the department information out, as well. We all need to currently doing to promote cancer work together to create awareness and awareness, prevention, and encourage people to make healthy standardized access to screening? The choices moving forward. Minister has stated that he's tabled a 10year cancer strategy. Can he please MR. NADLI: Going forward, building explain in terms of the prevention upon the tabling of the 10year cancer measures that his department is taking? strategy, how are Indigenous traditional beliefs reflected in treatment of First HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: Nations patients? Mr. Speaker, in addition to the cancer strategy, we're also trying to work with HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: residents across the Northwest Mr. Speaker, that's one of the things that Territories and create awareness of we're trying to do across the Northwest healthy choices. Those are not only to Territories. We've been holding different help prevent cancer but also help cancer sharing circles throughout the prevent other chronic diseases that are Northwest Territories, with different really prevalent here, in the Northwest groups, working with organizations like Territories. We're trying to get more the Gwich'in to try to get those sharing information out there on healthy diets circles out to different communities. I and physical activity, reducing or quitting believe we had one in Aklavik. smoking preferably, as well, you know, We want to keep doing this type of controlling the amount of alcohol that thing, where we're working with the one consumes, basically everything that communities, trying to find things that Page 30 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 work with the communities but also give can feel frustrated when high cancer people who have cancer an opportunity rates continue to affect themselves, their to share and have some people to share friends, and their families. What is the their experiences with, people who have department's role in coordinating cancer a lived experience who can talk about awareness, screening, and research the frustrations they had, the fears they efforts across the NWT? Mahsi. had, but also the successes they had and where they were able to get support HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: Thank you, and help. Once again, Mr. Speaker, and I appreciate the Member's point. Yes, not everybody has I would strongly encourage people to access to the Internet, but the take a look at our website, the cancer information is out there in other means. website, where there's a lot of this There are paper copies which information, very detailed, in there that sometimes are as hard to get to the they can go and figure out what's constituents and residents as digital. I happening and figure out who they understand that. We are making sure might want to talk to. that information is available in our health centres, or health stations, our regional If people are worried that they might hospitals, our hospitals, so that have a chronic condition or cancer, individuals who have questions can get please go to your Well Woman, Well a hold of that information in paper. Man clinics. Please go to the health centres and talk to the resident Through the strategic cancer initiative, practitioners, whether it's a nurse we're working with organizations and practitioner, community health nurse, or creating partnerships with places like visiting doctor. So talking is important, University of Alberta, who are helping us but they also need to get out and talk to design programs and bringing, in fact, the practitioners if they're worried. some southern dollars into the mix to Thank you, Mr. Speaker. help us do creative new things at a community level as far as creating MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. awareness, getting involved, getting the Member for Deh Cho. message out to residents. MR. NADLI: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the same time, I'm happy and willing Mr. Speaker, I ask these questions to try at any time to sit down with Members to bring awareness to cancer and also, and take your input, feedback, on areas at the same time, to the public to be where you think we might be missing more educated in terms of the target...and where we can improve understanding this plight that affects lots the way we're getting the message out of people in the NWT. The Minister there. I believe we have a bunch of the encourages the public to, you know, information we need. We have a lot of refer to their website, but, at the same good programs. We need to work time, not everybody has an opportunity together to make sure that our in terms of basic access to the Internet, constituents have that information and including the website that he refers to. I'm absolutely committed to working with Many Northerners volunteer for many you and all Members to make sure that different anticancer organizations but information is getting to the people who October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 31 need it, when they need it. Thank you, HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: Mr. Speaker. Traditionally, as the Member has indicated, it's sort of been based on MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral Questions. what the weather is suggesting, whether Member for Mackenzie Delta. freeze-up is early or late. But I hear the Member and there might be some value QUESTION 373-18(2): in having set, fast dates so that the NURSES IN TSIIGEHTCHIC community has some certainty. I MR. BLAKE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. certainly think there is some merit to A little follow-up to my Member's that. statement earlier. As I mentioned, I will certainly talk with the department nursing in Tsiigehtchic is a high priority and the authority to see what it would for our community. You know, this time take to set some hard and fast dates so of year, usually there are nurses in that the community can have some Tsiigehtchic for up to two months, certainty. I don't know what that date depending on the weather. With climate might be. The Member has thrown out change, here we are on the 20th of October 15th; that may or may not be October and, only today, a little bit of ice appropriate based on, you know, has started on the Mackenzie. So I'd just averages of freeze-up. But, you know like to ask the Minister: when will the what, there is some merit there. I will department have the nurse located in certainly have a conversation with the the community for freeze-up? department to see what it would take to HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: The make that happen. department won't be putting a nurse in MR. BLAKE: While we're at it, maybe the community of Tsiigehtchic. It will October 1st would work better. actually be the Territorial Health and Social Services Authority. I can't tell the ---Laughter Member the exact date that they expect somebody will be going in there, but I'm Actually, the other point I wanted to happy to follow up on the Member's raise was, usually the nurses are in the th behalf, get him that information, and get community until December 15 about, him a concrete date. usually about the time the ferry access is open to Tsiigehtchic. The community MR. BLAKE: You know, in the future, has noticed that, last year, because of it's very important that we have a set the crossing being put across at the date. I noticed the last couple of years Arctic Red first, the community noticed we've been waiting for the ice that the nurse had been taken out of the conditions. The ferry is almost shut community earlier than usual, so they down on the side of Tsiigehtchic before are very concerned and would like the the nurse is actually put in place. So just department to have the nurse there until for the future, maybe we could set a the same time, roughly December 15th? date, whether it's October 15th, for example. Will the Minister please pass HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: I can't be this on to the Health Authority? aware of every specific decision that the authorities make, and I couldn't tell you when they chose to remove a nurse Page 32 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 from a community, but I do hear the government and the departments are Member. Similar to his previous serious about applying affirmative action question about setting a set date for into the positions that they open. coming in, there might also be some However, having said that, I've also, in value in having a set date for when an my initial briefing with the department individual, a nurse, might cease their when I first got Human Resources, I permanent stay in that community. I made it quite clear that I would be think that we could have that watching very closely the number of conversation at the same time, and I'm affirmative action employees that were willing to do so. hired. I want to make it quite clear, though, that a lot of these employees, I MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. want them to be hired, put into positions, Member for Mackenzie Delta. based on merit. We have a lot of good MR. BLAKE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. employees out there with a lot of good While we do have a couple of weeks left qualifications. Thank you. here in session, so maybe I'll save this MR. BEAULIEU: I would like to ask the question for the Minister later and make Minister, when having discussions with sure we have a concrete date by the department heads or staff of HR, if there end of session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. is any sort of plan to develop a strategy MR. SPEAKER: Masi. I'll take that as a to move the affirmative action numbers, comment. Oral questions. Member for which have been kind of stuck around Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. 30 per cent for many years? I would like to know if the Minister has talked about QUESTION 374-18(2): any specific strategies that might REPRESENTATIVE PUBLIC change that number? SERVICE HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: I think one of MR. BEAULIEU: Marci cho, Mr. the best strategies is to encourage our Speaker. Today I made a Member's young Aboriginal people out there to get statement on suggestions on the the training that's necessary so we can Affirmative Action Policy of the GNWT. I get them into the system and put would like to ask the Minister of Human processes in place where they can Resources questions. I would like to ask succeed based on the qualifications and the Minister if Human Resources have the work ethic and everything else that the staff to ensure that the departments they bring to the position. What other are serious about applying the strategies are we working on? We have Affirmative Action Policy? Thank you. the Aboriginal Management Development Program. Right now we MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Minister of have, I believe, about 16 per cent of our Human Resources. Indigenous Aboriginal senior employees HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: Thank you, who are eligible to retire immediately. Mr. Speaker. Looking at the numbers of We have 52 per cent who are eligible to the affirmative action employees across retire with a full pension within the next the GNWT, and I believe we have about five years. So it's very important that we 1,608, that's a good indication that our start developing a lot of good Aboriginal employees and get them into the system October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 33 and try and move them through the I want to make sure that all our system based on merit and the employees, our Aboriginal employees, qualifications and work ethic they bring and those who are thinking of coming to the job. into the public service come in with the understanding is if they come in and MR. BEAULIEU: Earlier this week I they put in some good work and have talked a bit about - or possibly last week some good training and add a lot of I talked a bit about the Regional value then that will be recognized and Recruitment Program. I'd like to ask the they will get an opportunity to move Minister if the Regional Recruitment through the system. I want to make it my Program is targeting priority one goal to ensure that they have a fair candidates? opportunity to work through the system HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: As you can with the qualifications and the values tell from the numbers that I quoted last they bring to the organization. week, it is targeted. We have a lot of P1 MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. candidates, I think it was 24 of the 32, Member for Sahtu. that have taken us up on it, so that's a good indication that they are targeted. QUESTION 375-18(2): MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. POST-DEVOLUTION Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION APPROACHES MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thought the Regional MR. MCNEELY: Thank you, Mr. Recruitment Program was actually Speaker. Earlier I was talking about, in inclusive of only priority one candidates, my statement on the devolution but that's my misunderstanding. Mr. responsibilities transferred from the Speaker, will the Minister have a federal government to this territorial discussion with the Premier about government and being prudent and putting some sort of measurable responsible over those responsibilities evaluation in the department heads' transferred on land and resource evaluation that will indicate successes management. and failures within the Affirmative Action I would like to ask the Minister of Lands Policy on their job evaluations? Thank if he's willing to come to Norman Wells you. with his deputy minister to better HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: I could have understand the site, the scope of work, that conversation with the Premier. I'll the area. In looking at the document also have a conversation with all my submitted to the Sahtu Land and Water colleagues. You know, we hear the Board for a permit, it clearly shows that concerns in the House. We actually hear there's Commissioner's land within this the concerns from the people out there proven area boundary, so that's just an about the fact that sometimes they feel example of one of the purposes of the like they have an unfair disadvantage visit. So I wonder if the Minister would trying to move through the system. accept my invitation with the deputy minister to do a community visit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Page 34 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Minister of ---Laughter Lands. MR. MCNEELY: Thank you, Mr. HON. LOUIS SEBERT: As this House Speaker. Would the Minister commit to will know, Imperial Oil is responsible for work on the logistics of an agenda trip the remediation for their oil and gas with me? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. operation at Norman Wells, and that the vast majority of the property on which SOME HON. MEMBERS: Yes. Yes. their operations are located are in the Yes. proven area. I understand that we hold HON. LOUIS SEBERT: The Minister of one lease with Imperial Oil. We will look Lands and the Minister Responsible for into the matter but I don't know if it's the Power Corporation is always happy worthy of a trip. Thank you. to work with the Members opposite. MR. MCNEELY: In being supportive, ---Laughter also part of the trip would give the Minister a site visit to viewing his other MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. portfolio responsibilities in the area of Member for Sahtu. the NWT Power Corporation. The actual MR. MCNEELY: Thank you, Mr. plant itself is within the boundary, so Minister. that exposure to liability on un-surveyed property would be another item on the MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. agenda. Member for Nahendeh.

So given that reason, on analyzing the QUESTION 376-18(2): liabilities in conjunction with the regional COMMISSIONER’S LANDS office and a site visit would be another APPLICATION PROCESS purpose. So my question to the Minister in putting on his Power Corporation hat MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, Mr. would he come to the community and Speaker. Again, my questions will be for extend my invitation for that the Minister of Lands. I'm very grateful responsibility, to look at the power plant to hear that they make a commitment itself? that he follow through on it, and I wish the other Ministers would follow the lead SOME HON. MEMBERS: Yes. Yes, I'd and follow the Lands Minister and any love to. Yes. verbal commitments will follow through. HON. LOUIS SEBERT: I thank the Well, can the Minister please explain Member opposite for the kind invitation why the department still uses the to me, both as Minister of Lands and Commissioner’s lands application Minister Responsible for the Power process in areas where the unsettled Corporation; however, prior to land claim area? Thank you, Mr. contemplating such a visit I'd like to Speaker. examine the issue so that I'd be fully MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Minister of apprised of all the issues should I Lands. decide to go to Norman Wells. Thank you. HON. LOUIS SEBERT: The Commissioner's land application October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 35 process applies on all Commissioner's MR. THOMPSON: Thank you to the land regardless of whether it's an area Minister for his answer. I'm not sure that of settled or unsettled land claims. really solves the issue of unsettled Thank you. unclaimed areas, so can the Minister please explain how these exemptions MR. THOMPSON: I thank the Minister were made and applied besides the for his answer. What are the Executive Council? It seems the government's rules for the sale of Executive Council is making these Commissioner's lands in regions without decisions that have an impact on the the settled land claim areas? residents of the Northwest Territories in HON. LOUIS SEBERT: Mr. Speaker, unsettled land claim areas. So again, fee simple title is not normally granted in can the Minister explain how these unsettled regions due to the land lease exemptions were made and apply that only policy of the Government of the method to other cases in unsettled land Northwest Territories. claim areas across the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MR. THOMPSON: I didn't understand that, but I have another question I need HON. LOUIS SEBERT: Mr. Speaker, to forward on. We know that at least each request for fee simple is unique there are 43 exemptions in Cassidy and reviewed individually. In the case of Point, which is Commissioner's land, Cassidy Point which was referenced and that there's other out there that I'm earlier, we made an exception to honour aware of. That as I continue to bring this a long-standing commitment to lease issue forward from my constituents holders. As I mentioned, our review of there is exceptions to this rule. So can exceptional situations will also be the Minister please advise this House informed by the soon to be completed what the process is for making Recreational Land Management exemptions to the rules? Framework. HON. LOUIS SEBERT: Mr. Speaker, One of the difficulties with dealing with department officials review such matters on a case-by-case basis is that requests and based on the merits and you can conceivably set precedence. rationale the request can be forwarded There's a saying that hard cases make to the Executive Council for review. bad law, and I think what we want to do Executive Council determines whether is make the process simple, transparent an exception to the land lease only in the future, so that everybody can policy is granted. Requests for a fee understand the system and be treated simple title are reviewed through the equally. department's broader policy framework. MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. In the future, our review will also be Member for Hay River North. informed by the soon to be completed Recreational Land Management Framework and its policies and guidelines. MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. Member for Nahendeh. Page 36 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

QUESTION 377-18(2): whole Northwest Territories, so there is RATIONALE FOR discussions. As I mentioned, given the DEPARTMENTAL POSITION confidentiality of the exercise in the REDUCTIONS reductions, they were conducted by those senior management, Mr. Speaker, MR. SIMPSON: Thank you, Mr. and not just here, in Yellowknife. Thank Speaker. I'd just like to follow-up my line you. of questioning with the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. I MR. SIMPSON: I'm still unclear of how didn't quite get where I wanted to go that works, if because of privacy with that. So from my earlier questions I concerns they can't ask maybe the gather that its positions that were regional managers or the office identified as expendable in the last managers, how things would operate budget were identified and a without these certain positions. So, to determination was made that they're determine how this all worked out, is expendable by deputy ministers and there a baseline? Do they know what assistant deputy ministers with no the level of service is before the cuts, consultation from anyone below. He and do they know what the level of said that it's based on the nature of the service is after the cuts? I'm just trying job, which is a job description, a piece of to get my head wrapped around this paper, if it's vacant or not so a checked whole process. box and an impact on services. I'm unclear, and I'd like the Minister to HON. ALFRED MOSES: As mentioned explain to me how a DM and an ADM in those three factors in terms of job sitting in Yellowknife knows what the reductions, the main was what that risks impact on services is going to be in an and impacts on program delivery was office they've never been to when one of those three, and we want to they're making decisions about make sure that programs are being personnel they've never met? Thank delivered, can continue to be delivered you, Mr. Speaker. within that division, and, in some cases, picked up by other members, other staff, MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Minister of that are working within that division or Education, Culture and Employment. that department. HON. ALFRED MOSES: Thank you, MR. SIMPSON: So, in the positions I'm Mr. Speaker. Senior management talking about, the ECE cuts in Hay involves workers that we have River, were other positions in that office throughout the Northwest Territories. reprofiled, or were duties given from the There's consultations between the head cut positions to other employees? office and the regional offices in terms of positions that are made. HON. ALFRED MOSES: Yes, Mr. Speaker, duties from the reduction As we said, we looked at entry level jobs of that position were uptaken by the six to management jobs. We do have other staff in that department. Thank directors and senior managers in the you. regional offices, as well, that communicate with our head office staff. MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Oral questions. We look at positions throughout the Member for Hay River North. October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 37

MR. SIMPSON: Thank you, trades, and outdoor and cultural Mr. Speaker. Is there followup on how activities to improve the operations of positions, how things are going now? communityled boards and district Are the staff who are picking up the education authorities and the success of slack, do they feel as though things are youth. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. running smooth? He doesn't have to talk specifically about this office, but does MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Petitions. Item that discussion happen afterwards? 12, reports of special and standing Thank you, Mr. Speaker. committees. Item 13, report of committees on the review of bills. Item HON. ALFRED MOSES: Any positions 14, tabling of documents. Minister of that were reduced within our Finance. department, we'll continue to follow up and monitor to see how that position 9. Tabling of Documents that was reduced is affecting the program delivery as well as other staff in TABLED DOCUMENT 163-18(2): that area. CAPITAL ESTIMATES, 20172018 FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF MR. SPEAKER: Thank you. Time for PUBLIC WORKS AND SERVICES oral questions has expired. Item 8, AND DEPARTMENT OF written questions. Item 9, returns to TRANSPORTATION written questions. Item 10, replies to Commissioner's opening address. Item 11, petitions. Member for Nahendeh. TABLED DOCUMENT 164-18(2): 8. Petitions TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS 5 HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: Thank you, PETITION 4-18(2): Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to FUNDING FOR EDUCATIONAL table to following two documents entitled AUTHORITY GOVERNANCE "Capital Estimates, 20172018 for the WORKSHOPS Department of Public Works and MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, Services and Department of Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to Transportation" and "Taking Care of present a petition dealing with the Business 5." Thank you, Mr. Speaker. matter of increasing funding for local MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Tabling of programming and governance Documents. Minister of Industry, workshops for communityled boards and Tourism, and Investment. district education authorities. Mr. Speaker, the petition contains 144 signatures of the Northwest Territories residents, and, Mr. Speaker, the petition requests that the Government of the Northwest Territories increase funding to communityled boards and district education authorities to increase local programming in areas such as governance, workshops readiness, Page 38 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

TABLED DOCUMENT 165-18(2): Moses, dated July 28th; and emails 20162017 CORPORATE PLAN between David Poitras and the NWT BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT Department of ECE, dated August 29th. AND INVESTMENT CORPORATION MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. TABLED DOCUMENT 166-18(2): Member for Yellowknife Centre. 20152016 ANNUAL REPORT 10. Notices of Motion NWT BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND INVESTMENT NOTICE OF MOTION 26-18(2): CORPORATION JUNIOR KINDERGARTEN HON. WALLY SCHUMANN: Thank MS. GREEN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to Mr. Speaker, I give notice that, on table to following two documents Wednesday, October 26, 2016, I will entitled "20162017 Corporate Plan, move the following motion. NWT Business Development and Investment Corporation" and "20152016 Now therefore, I move, seconded by the Annual Report, NWT Business Honourable Member for Mackenzie Development and Investment Delta, that the Department of Education, Corporation." Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Culture, and Employment produce a plan to implement junior kindergarten in MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Tabling of 20172018, along with a fully costed documents. Member for Yellowknife budget for presentation to the Standing Centre. Committee on Social Development; TABLED DOCUMENT 167-18(2): and further, that the department EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE implement all the recommendations of BETWEEN DAVID POITRAS AND the junior kindergarten review tabled in MLA JULIE GREEN February;

TABLED DOCUMENT 168-18(2): and furthermore, that, in developing an EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE implementation plan, the department BETWEEN DAVID POITRAS AND acknowledge that a onesizefitsall MINISTER ALFRED MOSES approach to junior kindergarten is contrary to the report's TABLED DOCUMENT 169-18(2): recommendations; EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE and furthermore, that the department BETWEEN DAVID POITRAS AND tailor the introduction of junior THE DEPARTMENT OF kindergarten to each community with a EDUCATION, CULTURE AND focus on providing the greatest need to EMPLOYMENT improve school readiness; MS. GREEN: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. and furthermore, that the department Mr. Speaker, I am going to table today accommodate existing community emails between David Poitras and th programs for fouryearolds without myself, dated October 20 ; emails jeopardizing their viability; between David Poitras and Alfred October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 39 and furthermore, that the government ---Carried provide a comprehensive response to this function within 120 days. Masi. Motions. Member for Frame Lake. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MOTION 25-18(2): MID-TERM REVIEW PROCESS, MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Notices of CARRIED motion. Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. MR. O'REILLY: Merci, Mr. Speaker. I Member for Yellowknife Centre. MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu NedheWiilideh, that the 11. Motions following terms referenced for midterm review be adopted: MOTION 24-18(2): EXTENDED ADJOURNMENT OF 1. Cabinet and the Standing Committee THE HOUSE TO OCTOBER 25, on Priorities and Planning shall each 2016, evaluate progress on implementing CARRIED the mandate, make their reports public, and table them in the House MS. GREEN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. at the earliest opportunity; Mr. Speaker, I MOVE, seconded by the Honourable Member for Great Slave, 2. the mandate be public and tabled in that, notwithstanding Rule 4, when this the House at the earliest opportunity; House adjourns on October 20, 2016, it 3. the mandate be revised, if shall be adjourned until Tuesday, necessary, by Cabinet with input October 25, 2016; from the Standing Committee on AND FURTHER, that at any time prior to Priorities and Planning, reviewed in October 25, 2016, if the Speaker is Caucus and tabled for potential satisfied after consultation with the debate, amendment and adoption in Executive Council and Members of the the first sitting of the third session; a Legislative Assembly that the public Mid-Term Review Committee is interest requires that the House should hereby established consisting of all meet at an earlier time during the 19 Members; adjournment, the Speaker may give 4. the Mid-Term Review Committee will notice and thereupon the House shall conduct its sessions publicly in the meet at the time stated in such notice Chamber and be chaired by one or and shall transact its business as it has more Members; been duly adjourned to that time. 5. meetings of the Mid-Term Review Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Committee shall be conducted as MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Motion is on the follows: floor. Motion is in order. To the motion. a. the Premier shall speak for up to SOME HON. MEMBERS: Question 10 minutes on his leadership and performance and the collective MR. SPEAKER: Question has been performance of Cabinet, each called. Motion carried. Member will be permitted up to Page 40 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

two questions no longer than two that it be fair, transparent, consistent minutes each, responses will be and evidence-based; no longer than two minute each -- AND WHEREAS the government is Merci, Monsieur le President. I think I'll committed to public annual reports on its start over again, if I may? I'm probably progress in implementing the mandate. as red as the flag. NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded --- Laughter by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh, that the following terms A mid-term review process, Mr. of reference for mid-term review be Speaker, WHEREAS the Legislative adopted: Assembly has directed that a mid-term review be conducted in the fall of 2017 1) Cabinet and the Standing Committee AND WHEREAS the Standing on Priorities and Planning shall each Committee on Rules and Procedures evaluate progress in implementing was directed in Motion 7-18(1) to review the mandate, make their reports options for the establishment of a mid- public, and table them in the House term accountability review of the at the earliest opportunity; Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2016-2019, and 2) the mandate be reviewed, if that it include the performance of the necessary, by Cabinet with input Executive Council and standing from the Standing Committee on committees, both collectively and Priorities and Planning, reviewed in individually; Caucus and tabled for potential AND WHEREAS the Legislative debate, amendment and adoption in Assembly has received and adopted the the first sitting of the third session; committee's report on the review of the establishment of a mid-term review 3) a Mid-Term Review Committee is process; and whereas the committee hereby established consisting of all has recommended a process to guide 19 Members; such a review; 4) the Mid-Term Review Committee will AND WHEREAS the process proposed conduct its sessions publicly in the will demonstrate the commitment of the Chamber and be chaired by one or 18th Legislative Assembly to greater more Members; transparency and accountability; and whereas key principles were established 5) meetings of the Mid-Term Review in the committee report to ensure that Committee shall be conducted as the integrity of the review process, follows: namely that it demonstrate accountability to the Legislative a.a) the Premier shall Assembly and the public, that it provide speak for up to 10 minutes on a flexible and adaptable mechanism to his leadership and adjust the government's mandate to fit performance and the changing circumstances, and above all collective performance of Cabinet, each Member will be October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 41

permitted up to two questions and then the result for each no longer than two minutes individual Minister in each, responses will be no alphabetical order by longer than two minute each; surname; and

a.b) each Minister, in f) in the event of an equality of alphabetical order, will speak votes being cast, the Clerk for up to five minutes on his or shall report an expression of her performance and confidence in the leadership, each Member will Cabinet/Minister, and further be permitted up to two that the Standing Committee questions, but no longer than on Priorities and Planning two minutes each, responses meet annually with each will be no longer than two Minister to conduct an oral minutes each; performance appraisal similar to those in many work places a.c) Members shall and for Ministers to raise any conduct themselves in a performance issues they may dignified and respectful have with committees. The manner and will follow the meetings should be informal procedures of the Territorial and in-camera to promote Leadership Committee where frankness. applicable; Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. a.d) on completion of the process described above MR. SPEAKER: The motion is on the Members will be called upon floor, motion is in order. To the motion. to cast secret ballots in an Member for Frame Lake. open forum: MR. O'REILLY: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. We all know that the decision was made i) indicating their confidence early on by all of us as Regular or non confidence in the Members to hold a mid-term review, performance and even before Cabinet had been selected. leadership of Cabinet as a It was one of the first pieces of whole; and businesses in this House to establish or refer this matter of a mid-term review ii) indicating their confidence process to the Standing Committee on or non-confidence in the Rules and Procedures, and I'm pleased performance and to report that it was the first standing leadership of each committee report tabled in or brought Minister; forward and presented in this House. e) ballots will be counted by the The Rules and Procedures Committee Clerk, vote totals are not is an unusual creature in that we do announced, the Chair will have representation from our Cabinet announce the aggregate colleagues on it and that always makes result of Cabinet as a whole Page 42 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 life interesting, but it was a good we're going to start this off, with an discussion and debate that we had evidence-based process. there. Now, the process that we've developed Our job as rules and procedure was as rules and procedures is largely based really to come up with a process for -- on what happens in Nunavut. They've and the terms of reference for the mid- carried out four of these reviews, and term review. That duty has been during those reviews there's only been discharge with the receipt and one Minister that received a vote of non- acceptance and adoption of the confidence, and I think that speaks well committee report on Tuesday of this of the process that's been adopted and week. This motion proposes a clear used in Nunavut. transparent evidence-based and fair mid-term review process. I would be the I think it's important too for the public to first to admit that the process outlining understand this is about making sure the committee's report could have been that we're steering the ship in the right a little clearer. But we were dealing with direction, that we're all on board, and a report that where the majority of the we're doing the best possible job that we committee members when we had a can. I don't think it's anything more or dissenting opinion it became a virtually less than that, this mid-term review, and impossible task to coordinate both parts it's something that all in this House of the report as we moved forward. So should support. I can confidently say to we also had very busy schedules, travel all Members of this House and the and deadlines, but we did manage to public that the committee worked very meet that. hard to come up with this process, that all options and consequences were very The process that we set out in the report seriously considered, and we tried to is virtually what's in the motion that is come up with the fairest possible before the House. We want to start the process. process off on a positive note and it will be a positive way of proceeding, it'll be It's weighed heavily I think on all the an evidence-based assessment of committee members and me personally progress that we're all making towards as well as we've tried to put all of this the mandate. I believe that it can be together. I sincerely want to thank all of done in a respectful and constructive the Members of the Rules and fashion, and that's why we're all here. Procedures Committee for their very hard work in meeting many times to Of course, there are good things that come up with this. I'd like to recognize Cabinet is doing and that'll be a way for the work that Mr. Sebert contributed, us to recognize them. I'll give one Ms. Green, Mr. Thompson and Mr. example, Mr. Speaker, the open houses Beaulieu in helping us achieve that. So I that Cabinet is having in communities, urge all of my colleagues to support the that's a very good thing and I think motion. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Sorry, Mr. something that we all want to carry Speaker, I'd like to request to record a forward. But there also needs to be an vote on the motion. Mahsi. opportunity for honest feedback and areas for improvement. So that's how MR. SPEAKER: Masi. To the motion, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 43

MR. BEAULIEU: Marci cho, Mr. have a document that we think is a very Speaker. I will be very brief. I'd like to good document; I think that the whole thank all Members that worked on the House will be happy with. Thank you mid-term review. It was not easy to very much, Mr. Speaker. come up with a position that has so many different moving parts to it. We MR. SPEAKER: Masi. To the motion. had all kinds of possibilities: how long Member for Yellowknife North. do we give the Cabinet Members to MR. VANTHUYNE: Thank you, Mr. speak; how many questions would we Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank be allowed to ask, you know, in all Members of the Standing Committee on fairness if everybody asked a full set of Rules and Procedures for their thorough questions of every department with work on the options for a mid-term every Minister and so on. So there was review. Setting up an effective and fair a lot of possibilities, a lot of process was one of the first things we combinations and so on and we worked wanted to accomplish as an 18th hard to try to come up with something Assembly. The motion before us that we thought would be fair; something describes such a process. Most that would reflect what we were trying to importantly, it is based on actual achieve, and what we're trying to performance in meeting the mandate we achieve, of course, is to have a better have set for this government. The government. So we've got Cabinet process proposed is also transparent. It Members in place and we looked at a will be easy for the public to follow and it way to go through the mid-term review will be supported by information that is in order evaluate ourselves as a public. The Mid-term Review Committee government for the people of the will do its work in this Chamber in public Northwest Territories. Evaluate with the TV cameras rolling. ourselves to make sure that we're doing the best possible job that we can do for Many of us heard criticism of consensus the people who have elected us. government during our campaigns last year. I have learned a lot myself about I'd also like to thank people, the staff accountability in consensus government researchers that have helped us in since taking office. I know we can looking at other jurisdictions and improve the accountability of our bringing us some historical information government as a whole and of the which was very valuable. So we had an Ministers we entrust to carry out our opportunity to look at what was mandate. This is no slight to them, Mr. successful, worked and what didn't work Speaker, we are all working within a so well. So with that we've come up with system and today we are all working something that we are here willing to together to improve it. The method stand behind and we thought it was a lot proposed for the mid-term review is an of good work. I'd like to especially improvement. I am proud to say that we acknowledge Kevin O'Reilly for his work in this House want to stand up and be on the committee in the chair. He did a accountable for the work we do. I'm lot of work. He made sure that this kept proud that we will stand up and explain moving, and called meeting after what we are doing and why. The meeting after meeting and eventually we government, the Premier, and the Page 44 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

Ministers are accountable to the principles of accountability. Cabinet Assembly every day of their term in shares that belief with me and that is office. The mid-term review will show why on December 17, 2015, all this is the case. It shows that we, as Members in this House supported Members, are all accountable to the unanimously for Motion 17-18(1) which public every day of our term not just at was to establish a mid-term election time. accountability review. The mid-term review is a way to take I'd also like to point out in case anybody stock of what we have accomplished in has forgotten, that the Premier, prior to our first two years of office and to his selection as Premier, was the mover measure our effectiveness. If we are of that motion which established with the succeeding we will renew our unanimous agreement of all 19 confidence in the government and Members that prior to the fall 2017 in Ministers and update direction to them this Chamber this Assembly would for the remainder of our term. But the conduct a mid-term accountability mid-term review process has to allow for review of its adopted mandate, including cases when progress is inadequate and the performance of the Executive provide a method for change if it is Council and standing committees. Mr. needed for this government and future McLeod would not have moved that governments. I want to stress that this is motion if Members did not believe that a necessary tool in our democracy, not each one of us on both sides of this a weapon. House has a fundamental duty to be accountable to the people of the It is important to me that throughout the Northwest Territories. review process Members and Ministers are free to express themselves; this is Accountability and democracy are part of what it means to be both inseparable. The people who elect us transparent and accountable. This is exercise power on their behalf and place especially true of the votes of enormous faith in each one of us. confidence. The only way every Member Collectively and individually we must can vote freely is to have a secret ballot. earn and maintain that trust by That is how democracy works and we submitting our decisions and actions to should be proud of it, not afraid of it. the judgment of the people that we serve openly and transparently. Every Mr. Speaker, I'm proud to support this four years the people of the Northwest motion and I am proud to have a hand in Territories have the opportunity to helping our consensus government work directly convey their judgment about our better for the people of the Northwest actions in the territorial election. This is Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. direct accountability. There is nothing MR. SPEAKER: Masi. To the motion. like facing a voter on a campaign trail to Member for Great Slave. remind us who's boss and how we must work and maintain the trust of our HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: Thank you, constituents. Accountability between Mr. Speaker. Before I begin my remarks elections is no less direct and no less I want to state clearly and for the record real. that I believe wholeheartedly in the October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 45

As a government we are accountable to like the 18th Assembly did when it the people of the Northwest Territories adopted unanimously its mandate. In through their elected representatives in the past there was no clear way for the this House. Every time we are asked a people or for the Assembly itself to question we are being asked to account determine how successful it was. The for our decisions and our actions. Every mandate is now a measure of our time our budgets and plans for success and the progress we could implementing them are examined and make by everybody in this House debated in committee of this House we working together. Ours is the first are being asked to account for our Assembly to formally develop and adopt decisions and actions. a mandate specifically created to advance the priorities we all identified Every time government legislation is together. Unlike past Assemblies, Mr. introduced for debate and disposition in Speaker, the mandate of the 18th this House, we are being asked to Legislative Assembly is a clear account for our decisions and our statement of our intent as a government actions. At almost any moment on every and a clear yardstick against which our day this House sits, Members have successes as an Assembly can be ample opportunity and tools to hold judged. Ministers to account for living up to the expectations of the Assembly as Mr. Speaker, Cabinet is not afraid of outlined in the mandate and to the being judged. We believe that we are people that have elected us. already making progress and will have made even more progress by next fall. This includes the ability to remove any We are confident that we could stand on Cabinet Member from Cabinet at any our record collectively as well as time. That this business is conducted individually. But we do want to make primarily in public is an important aspect sure that we are being judged on the of the accountability that contributes to basis of whether or not we have done the openness and transparency that the the things that we said we would do, public demands and expects of all 19 specifically, the commitments all MLAs Members. But accountability needs to agreed to within our mandate. Of be about more than personality, Mr. course, our mandate cannot be written Speaker. Accountability is about in stone. keeping our promises, and for the 18th Assembly our mandate is our promise to Circumstances change, Mr. Speaker. the people of this territory. Priorities evolve and new tasks emerge as we check items off our to-do list. Our decision to adopt the process Pausing mid-way through our term to convention of priority setting and take stock of the mandate and whether reporting that was first established by th or not it continues to be aligned with the the 17 Assembly is a significant Assembly's priorities, frankly, it only evolution in consensus government and makes sense, Mr. Speaker. a major step towards accountability. Past Assemblies had priorities but had The provisions of the process never made specific commitments about convention that outlined the structured how they would advance those priorities process for reporting on and reviewing Page 46 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 the relevance and adequacy of the report continues, "are not consistent mandate are both necessary and with a fair and transparent process." sensible. We should welcome that opportunity as a whole Assembly to The process recommended here today formally review our mandate and ask doesn't seem to align with that principle, ourselves if it continues to serve the and that is a serious concern, Mr. needs of the people and the Legislative Speaker. Consensus only works, Mr. Assembly of the Northwest Territories. Speaker, when all 19 Members work Cabinet was unanimous in its support together in the spirit of collaboration and for that review last December, and we trust to play their respective roles, which continue to support the need for the can all be evaluated. This was the spirit review. that guided our discussions and priorities and mandate and the spirit that While I and my Cabinet colleagues we have seen in places like Fort absolutely support the principle of Providence, where we met as Caucus. accountability that is at the heart of our The spirit appears to be lacking in this democratic system and are more than motion, Mr. Speaker. This is not just a prepared to be judged on our records, concern for Cabinet; it should be a we feel that the report on the concern for all of us who are committed establishment of the mid-term review to working together to make the lives of process is flawed. These flaws were the people of the Northwest Territories clearly outlined by Mr. Sebert in his better, as I know all Members are. dissenting opinion filed with the committee report and which expressed The original motion called on Ministers Cabinet's shared views on the proposed and Regular Members to work together process. to evaluate our shared progress on implementing the Assembly's priorities. I'm not going to recite all the concerns A review like that would be a clear that Minister Sebert expressed so well, demonstration of our accountability as a but I do want to highlight a very Legislative Assembly to the people of significant concern Cabinet has with the the Northwest Territories. The proposal proposed process, specifically that is a before us has departed from that vision decision to cast votes on Cabinet and now seems focused on a review of performance in secret. Cabinet believes Cabinet and its performance alone. that this recommendation is Cabinet does not feel it can support a fundamentally inconsistent with the motion that has strayed from what was commitment we have made as originally intended. Members to openness and transparency. Even the Standing At the same time, Cabinet remains Committee on Rules and Procedures absolutely committed to transparency recognized and, in one of its principles, and accountability and continues to outlined in its own report that processes support, without reservation, the need for assessing Cabinet's performance, for a mid-term review of its progress on among others, "must be fair, mandate. The goalposts have moved, transparent, and evidence-based." Mr. Speaker, but we are confident that Anonymous assessment surveys, the we are making good progress on the mandate and will each welcome any October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 47 kind of mid-term review. We think the platforms. These are features that our process being proposed could be fairer unique system does not have. and more open, but we will not challenge the decision of this Assembly The mandate and many of the changes to establish whatever process it sees fit, being proposed now are attempts to even one that includes a secret ballot. bring those features to the people of the Northwest Territories, to allow them to Out of respect to this House, and for the have more say on how our decision- will of its Members, Cabinet will abstain makers are being selected and how, from voting on the motion and look ultimately, they are held accountable, forward to meeting with you again next which is why a mid-term review is so fall to review this government's progress important. I have gone on the record on the mandate. Thank you, Mr. several times calling for a different way Speaker. to select Ministers, and I've even criticized secret balloting. But ultimately MR. SPEAKER: Masi. To the motion. I have to look around this Assembly and Member for Kam Lake. see what the will of the majority is, and MR. TESTART: Thank you, Mr. also respect the processes that brought Speaker. I'm very pleased today to our Cabinet together in the first place, stand in support of this motion, and I'd and that process was by secret ballot. like to thank the Standing Committee on This process does exactly that. It is a Rules and Procedures for their very reflection of the Territorial Leadership hard work and for providing me, as an Committee and establishes a unique alternate member of that committee, to process that suits the model of join the committee on the regular consensus government. We always discussion around this topic. endeavour to work together and work Transparency and openness was a collaboratively. Although we enjoy long-standing priority of many voters in healthy tension here on the floor of this the last election, and long-standing for Chamber, we do a lot of our work many Northerners as well. The outside, and it is productive, effective consensus government always needs to work. be evolving, and all systems of We need to continue with that spirit and government do as well. We made some develop processes, procedures, and very bold steps early on. Allowing a bodies such as a Mid-term Review nomination for the premiership a week Committee to allow that work to proceed early to allow our constituents to provide effectively. If a process was agreed to their feedback was a huge step in by the majority as the best process to opening up the transparency around elect our Cabinet, the Mid-term Review leadership decisions. In other systems, Committee done by secret ballot is regular citizens have more opportunities clearly the best process to review their to weigh in on those leadership performance. decisions and clearly identify who their future leaders are going to be after the I think those kinds of considerations election and what their priorities are were well weighed by the standing going to be through clearly articulated committee, and I was hopeful that we would all be able to come together at Page 48 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 the end of the day. I respect what my unanimously, since the mandate came colleague, the honourable Member for from all of us and the motion to have a Great Slave, has said today and I review was also unanimous, but the appreciate that we will all work on this government has its own reasons for process moving forward to build a going its own way. stronger government and give Northerners the accountability that they I do want to say that we are committed to a fair and open process and one have asked for. Thank you, Mr. th Speaker. which furthers the interests of the 18 Assembly's mandate and to be MR. SPEAKER: Masi. To the motion. accountable in every possible way to the Member for Yellowknife Centre. people who put us here. Thank you. MS. GREEN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Masi. To the motion. Mr. Speaker, it's no accident that we Member for Deh Cho. haven't had a mid-term review in this Assembly since the 12th Assembly, since MR. NADLI: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. before division. It has been really a lot of Speaker, I rise today in support of this work to come up with a set of principles motion. I'd like to take the opportunity to and a process to conduct this mid-term thank my colleagues that put review. I want to emphasize that, with tremendous effort in ensuring that the Mr. Sebert's help, we canvassed report and the motion that was tabled in thoroughly the different options and the House, and what we're seeing today tools that we could use to produce a was their greatest effort. I've seen them mid-term review that was fair and work many hours and commit equitable, and I have confidence in the themselves to ensuring that it was very report that we produced, that we were reflective of the desires of the House, able to hit that mark. even to the point of involving Members of Cabinet in those discussions. That doesn't mean to say that, once the review takes place, it won't need The mid-term review I think is a time of improving or tweaking to accommodate reflection. We're going to reach an important juncture in terms of the the realities of what happens, but I want th to stress that the purpose of the review halfway mark of the 18 Assembly and is to measure progress towards our it's going to be a healthy exercise; common mandate. The review is not perhaps a lot of introspects in terms of about taking out individual Cabinet where we should go, and that Mid-term ministers. In fact, it's worth nothing that, Review will provide that opportunity. At in Nunavut, in all the years that they've the same time, for us it's also bringing home to the home front, like, November been doing mid-term reviews, and th they've done them in every Assembly 26 will be almost a year since we've since division, only once has a Minister been elected and we need to check to been replaced. ensure that we're going in the right direction, and that will be a healthy The purpose here is to measure our exercise, and so, therefore, I support progress on our common mandate, and this motion. Mahsi. it would have been my desire, Mr. Speaker, to have seen us support this October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 49

MR. SPEAKER: Masi. To the motion. I'll that the mid-term review is carried out in allow the Member for Frame Lake to a professional manner that will help give the concluding remarks. make sure our ship is steering in the right direction. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. MR. O'REILLY: Masi, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I too had wished that this could have MR. SPEAKER: Masi. At this time a been supported unanimously by all the Member requested a recorded vote. So Members, but I understand that there I'd like to ask those all in favour of the are some differences of opinion here. I motion please stand. would like to try to assure the public and my colleagues on the other side of the RECORDED VOTE House that there is goodwill on this side CLERK OF THE HOUSE (Mr. Mercer): of the House to make sure that we have The Member for Frame Lake, the a productive, constructive mid-term Member for Yellowknife Centre, the review. It is focused on progress on the Member for Deh Cho, the Member for mandate, but necessarily that will Nunakput, the Member for Hay River require looking at performance as the North, the Member for Mackenzie Delta, original motion of referral did specifically the Member for Sahtu, the Member for reference evaluate performance of Yellowknife North, the Member for Kam Executive Council collectively and Lake, the Member for Tu Nedhe- individually. Wiilideh, the Member for Nahendeh. I think we've done our best to try to MR. SPEAKER: Masi. Those who are come up with the fairest possible against the motion please stand. Those process. There's obviously some issues that abstain please stand. around whether the ballot of confidence should be done in the open in public or CLERK OF THE HOUSE (Mr. Mercer): whether it be done in secret. We always The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, the have that option to do it public every day Member for Range Lake, the Member the House is sitting. So I think what for Great Slave, the Member for we've tried to do is to look at the best Yellowknife South, the Member for way to come up a fair process and Inuvik Twin Lakes, the Member for Hay preserve, as one of my colleagues said, River South, the Member for Thebacha. the right of each MLA to vote freely as they see fit and try to find a way to deal MR. SPEAKER: In favour, 11; against, with Cabinet solidarity. So, in any event, zero; abstentions, seven. The motion is I do appreciate all of the views that the carried. Members have expressed in this House, ---Carried the work that we did as a committee, the work that we did and reviewed in Fort MR. SPEAKER: Motions. Item 18, first Providence. reading of bills. Item 19, second reading of bills. Item 20, consideration in I look forward to moving on and Committee of the Whole of bills and conducting some other business as well. other matters, Tabled Document 143- But I believe that there is goodwill on 18(2), Capital Estimates, 2017-2018, this side of the House certainly, and with Member for Mackenzie Delta in the probably for all Members, to make sure chair. Page 50 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

12. Consideration in Committee of the HON. ALFRED MOSES: Thank you, Whole of Bills and Other Matters Mr. Chair. To my right, I have my deputy minister, Sylvia Haener, and to my left CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank Deputy Minister Olin Lovely. Thank you. you. Mr. Beaulieu, what is the wish of committee? CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, Mr. Moses. Committee, we're MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. finished off on page 12 with Education, Chairman. Mr. Chairman, committee Culture and Employment, labour wishes to consider Tabled Document development and standards, 143-18(2), Capital Estimates, 2017- infrastructure investment, $9,157,000. 2018. Committee would like to continue Mr. Testart, I believe we left off with the Department of Education, yesterday. Culture and Employment and then get into Municipal and Community Affairs, MR. TESTART: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Department of Health and Social Yesterday we were discussing the Post- Services and the NWT Housing Secondary Strategic Investment Fund, Corporation. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. and I had asked the Minister if he was aware of an application that Dechinta CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank University had made to the federal you, Mr. Beaulieu. We'll continue after a government to access this fund. I'd like short recess. Does committee agree? to start with that. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Sorry. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. you, Mr. Testart. Minister Moses. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Okay, we HON. ALFRED MOSES: Thank you, will continue after a short recess. Mr. Chair. Yes, we were aware that ---SHORT RECESS Dechinta had made that application. Thank you. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, committee. Committee, we have CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank agreed to consider Tabled Document you, Minister Moses. Mr. Testart. 143-18(2), Capital Estimates, 2017- MR. TESTART: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 2018 for the Department of Education. Is the Minister aware of the total request I'd like to ask the Minister, does the for funding and the commitment that the Minister wish to bring witnesses into the federal government had made to this House? initiative from Dechinta? Thank you. HON. ALFRED MOSES: Yes, I do, Mr. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank Chair. Thank you. you, Mr. Testart. Minister Moses. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank HON. ALFRED MOSES: I'm sorry, Mr. you, Mr. Moses. Sergeant-at-Arms, Chair. Can the Member please repeat please escort the witnesses into the his question? Thank you. Chamber. Would the Minister please introduce his witnesses. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, Minister Moses. Mr. Testart. October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 51

MR. TESTART: In the proposal from skills and training that was needed. So I Dechinta to access the Post-Secondary know where the Member's going. They Strategic Investment Fund, can the did request a letter of support. At the department share the total amount of time we didn't feel it was appropriate to federal investment that was being give that letter of support, as we were requested? looking at our own infrastructure needs throughout the Northwest Territories. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank Thank you, Mr. Chair. you, Mr. Testart. Minister Moses. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank HON. ALFRED MOSES: Yes, thank you, Minister Moses. Any further you. I believe the business case in the questions? Mr. Testart. proposal that Dechinta was asking from the specific fund was in the amount of MR. TESTART: Yes, thank you, Mr. $5 million. Chair. I appreciate the Minister being candid, and that was where I was going. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank I'm not very knowledgeable about this you, Minister Moses. Mr. Testart. fund. Is it all or nothing? Can you only MR. TESTART: Thank you, Mr. Chair. make applications for the Northwest In speaking with this I guess very Territories from one agency or can important private sector in developing multiple agencies access this funding? our economy, the number was much Does it need to be government- higher from them, around $30 million sponsored? Those are a couple with additional sources of funding lined questions, but I'd like answers. Thank up for O and M endowments going you, Mr. Chair. forward. So my question then is what CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank was Dechinta looking for from the you, Mr. Testart. Minister Moses. department in order to support their proposal? Thank you. HON. ALFRED MOSES: Well, as you can see in the last callout, there was a CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank couple of different organizations, you, Mr. Testart. Minister Moses. including ourselves, that was asking for HON. ALFRED MOSES: Thank you, funding and put in an application. It Mr. Chair. I do know where the doesn't have to be government- Member's going with this, Dechinta did sponsored to get that funding. Thank approach the department for a letter of you. support. At the time we were looking at CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank some of our own needs and our you, Minister Moses. Mr. Testart. inventory as well to support some of our programs moving forward through the MR. TESTART: Would the Minister Aurora College, and knowing that we agree that it's helpful if the government were coming up with the Skills 4 does write a letter of support for these Success Action Plan and the strategic funding applications? Thank you. framework going forward, the 10-year strategic framework going forward to CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank address some of the in-demand jobs, you, Mr. Testart. Minister Moses. Page 52 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

HON. ALFRED MOSES: It's not program delivery and how we fund required. In the past though we have certain programs as well. Thank you, written letters of support for Dechinta to Mr. Chair. access funding in other areas that there were throughout Canada. On this CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank specific one we thought, because we you, Minister Moses. Any further were putting in an application as well, questions? Mr. Testart. that it wouldn't be appropriate. Thank MR. TESTART: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I you. appreciate that we do provide O and M CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank funding, I'm discussing a capital request you, Minister Moses. Any further that Dechinta had made to the federal questions? Mr. Testart. government, and that was more the line of my question; if we have a competing MR. TESTART: Thank you, Mr. Chair. interest versus federal and capital So I suppose there's some competing investment for Aurora College versus strategic priorities here. But given that other post-secondary institutions. But I our government's mandate also includes take the Minister's point that it's his diversifying our economy, investing in assessment that all of our post- post-secondary institutions such as secondary partners are treated fairly. Dechinta and College nordique, is there a way we can provide more? Are we If Dechinta or College nordique or picking winners and losers here? Is it anyone else who wants to invest in this Aurora College versus other institutions Post-Secondary Strategic Investment or are we providing equal support for all Fund in the future or a fund similar to it our post-secondary partners in the comes along, would the government be Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. willing to support those partners or is Chair. Aurora College always going to come first for capital needs? Thank you. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, Mr. Testart. Minister Moses. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, Mr. Testart. Minister Moses. HON. ALFRED MOSES: Thank you, Mr. Chair. No, there's no winners or HON. ALFRED MOSES: Thank you, losers here. That's not how we do our Mr. Chair. As discussions from business. We have an Aurora College yesterday where we had talked about Act that we do follow and fund the some of the school and learning Aurora College and the learning centres. centres, a lot of our community We do fund College nordique and we members that spoke up yesterday also fund Dechinta, and actually I think talked about the need for learning we just signed a multi-year agreement centres in our community as well, which with them just recently or are about to, does get on the needs assessment increasing the funding that we do give to based on priority. We do have an Aurora them. So we've funded Dechinta over College Act and we do want to ensure the years, and continue to fund that our communities also have the Dechinta. I'd also ask the chair that we opportunities to provide learning also focus on the infrastructure side of outcomes and opportunities for some of things, rather than discuss some of the our residents that do live in small October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 53 communities. So we're still in talks with CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank Dechinta and College nordique in terms you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Moses. of working together and we'll continue to have those partnerships moving HON. ALFRED MOSES: Thank you, forward. But we also have a lot of Mr. Chair. When the announcement for buildings under our responsibility that this funding came out, we had about a we need to make sure are up-to-date month, as did other institutions, to try to rather than expanding, that are even just get the funding, so we had to look and up-to-date to meet the needs of our act fast to get a proposal developed and residents. Thank you, Mr. Chair. together and out the door and look at where we can provide training and CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank opportunities in the Northwest you, Minister Moses. Committee, I'd just Territories. The heavy equipment facility like to remind everybody we're in Smith was a prime example which we overlooking the Capital Estimates, you can support. The Mine Training Society know, we're not doing the O and M, but actually just donated a bunch of did give the Member that opportunity to equipment to the campus there, as well, get his questions here. But we will stick so it was just a great opportunity for us. to our agenda here and overlook our There was a lot of federal dollars, and Capital Estimates. Any further questions we didn't want to miss out on the from committee or, Mr. Testart, sorry? opportunity. We had to look at places where we could have addressed those. MR. TESTART: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I understand the discomfort around this The building itself that's in Smith was line of questioning, so I will cease for constructed in 1953, and we wanted to now. Thank you. build on that and upgrade it so that the program there was going to be reflective CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank on having a safe environment for you, Mr. Testart. Any further questions? students and residents to get the Mr. Thompson. training in. There also was a great MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, Mr. opportunity to address the jobs, the Chair, and I appreciate it. Yesterday, the indemand jobs, out of our Skills 4 Minister was talking about I think heavy Success Action Plan moving forward. equipment operators' facility thing there Thank you. and saying that 60 per cent territorial CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank government, 40 per cent federal you, Minister Moses. Mr. Thompson. government. My biggest struggle is why is this program being put in Fort Smith MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, or utilizing the money in Fort Smith, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Minister for where it cannot sit at the end of the his answer. I guess my biggest struggle road? Why couldn't it be located in is the vision, where we're looking maybe Fort Providence, where there is outside of what we exist presently. a lot of highways or Fort Simpson, as Having these facilities in the major there are a lot of highways there centres, which is Hay River, Fort Smith, available and a lot of industry available? Inuvik, Yellowknife, are challenging for So I'm asking why this was done this the smaller communities. Also, you have way? Thank you, Mr. Chair. to look at the industry out there. Page 54 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

We're offering these programs, which is proposal that would benefit Northerners, great, but where is industry in this? benefit industry, and benefit the training Have we been talking with them? So I opportunities that we could get out of guess I would like to ask the Minister, this, so that was one of the projects. it's kind of a wish list with this here, is Thank you, Mr. Chair. that any future opportunities that the Minister looks at outside so that the CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank smaller communities can be given this you, Minister Moses. Mr. Thompson. opportunity where industry, as well, can MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, be tapped into and existing roads can Mr. Chair, and I thank the Minister for be done? his answer. I guess my big thing is that, Because my struggle is, in Smith, it's if we're only going back to status quo, great; we're working on this equipment. we're not going to move ahead. That's But it's a sixweek or eightweek course, my biggest challenge. Yes, I understand maybe threemonth course, and then the facility was built in 1953, but we we're out there building roads. Industry need to be looking outside the box, and is not going to put somebody in with here's an opportunity. I would hope the only three months' experience in there. Minister will work with this department to So will the Minister look at this, if develop something for the future so, money, federal money, comes available when these opportunities do come next time, that looks outside of the available, it's outside the major centres bigger centres and starts looking at the and it'll have an impact on the smaller smaller communities and look at communities. So thank you, Mr. Chair. industry? Thank you, Mr. Chair. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Moses. you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Moses. HON. ALFRED MOSES: Yes, thank HON. ALFRED MOSES: Thank you, you, Mr. Chair, and I thank the Member Mr. Chair, and I think that's exactly what for his concerns and comments. That's, I we've done through the labour market think, the main direction for the Skills 4 information report and needs Success Action Plan is to get out into assessment as well as developing that the small communities. I know we've Skills 4 Success Action Plan. We did get had Members who have brought those a lot of input from industry throughout concerns forward of finding unique ways the Northwest Territories, and, moving to increase the employment and the forward, we also have the mobility training and skill development in our trades trailer in Inuvik that we try to small communities throughout the utilize. But I do understand the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Member's point and that we need to get Mr. Chair. some of these training opportunities into CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank the communities, possibly partnering up you, Minister Moses. Any further with industry moving forward. questions? Mr. Thompson. With this particular project, because it MR. THOMPSON: No, thank you, was the length of time, we had to find an Mr. Chair, and I thank the Minister again area that we could have put in a October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 55 for his work. I understand. I'm just HON. ALFRED MOSES: No. I just want looking for the future. Thank you, to thank the Members for their Mr. Chair. questions, and I know there are a lot of concerns and a lot of issues out there in CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank terms of infrastructure needs throughout you, Mr. Thompson. Next we have the Northwest Territories. We try our Mr. Beaulieu. best to meet them as we move forward. MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Sitting as a Regular Member in the 17th, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I was I understand some of the frustrations, happy with the responses that came but, in our current fiscal situation and from the Minister on the community with all the competing infrastructure learning centres in Fort Resolution and needs, it's always a tough job to see Ndilo. However, I asked the questions where we put the dollars. But I on the wrong category as yesterday we appreciate the questions and just thank were on schools and not the college. So everybody for their support and the I just, I guess, wanted to clarify if the questions that they had. Thank you, responses yesterday would still be Mr. Chair. applicable, even though they were given in a different category. Thank you. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, Minister Moses. Does committee CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank agree that consideration of the you, Mr. Beaulieu. Minister Moses. Department of Education is complete? HON. ALFRED MOSES: Yes, they SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. would be. Thank you, Mr. Chair. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you. Thank you, committee. you, Minister Moses. Committee, any SergeantatArms, please escort the further questions on page 13? I see witnesses out of the Chamber. Thank none. Committee, we're on Education, you, committee. Committee, that brings Culture and Employment, labour us now to Municipal and Community development and standards, Affairs. Does the Minister have any infrastructure investment, $9,157,000. witnesses that she would like to bring Are we agreed? into the Chamber? SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, yes. you. We will now return to the summary CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): on page 9, total capital investment, SergeantatArms, please escort the $23,611,000. Are we agreed? witnesses into the Chamber. Thank you, SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. committee. Will the Minister please introduce her witnesses. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you. Does the Minister have any closing HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank comments? you, Mr. Chair. I'd like to introduce Eleanor Young, who is the acting deputy Page 56 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 minister for the Department of Municipal community government funding was and Community Affairs. protected at the $28 million when that decrease happened. Where we focused CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank our effort in the interim was on you, Minister Cochrane. Committee, we leveraging federal funding, and we've will defer the total estimate, $28,002,000 been quite successful in receiving until after consideration of activity additional federal funding using that $28 summaries. Starting on page 65, million to leverage federal funding for Municipal and Community Affairs, community governments. Members are regional operations, infrastructure aware of Small Communities Fund, investments, $28,002,000. Any Building Canada Fund, other programs questions? Mr. Beaulieu. that we've been able to bring MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. infrastructure funding to communities. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, it's been many That said, in 2014, we did an years since the municipalities had an infrastructure deficit analysis and have increase in the capital estimates. I know identified an infrastructure funding gap, that they sometimes shuffle the money and we are currently recalculating our around from one community to another, numbers and will be bringing forward a but the bottom line never changes. So plan in 2017 with regard to how to I'd like to ask the Minister if there is any address the remaining infrastructure possibility that this number will go up gap. sometime soon. I don't ever remember it being anything other than $28,002,000, CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank so I'll start with that, Mr. Chairman. you, Ms. Young. Mr. Beaulieu. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. you, Mr. Beaulieu. Minister Cochrane. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'm interested in the criteria for small communities HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank funding. I'm wondering if the Minister you, Mr. Chair. I'll let Ms. Young speak could give us the criteria, and as far as to that, since she has the history on that. population goes, small community Thank you. funding. Thank you. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, Minister Cochrane. Ms. Young. you, Mr. Beaulieu. Minister Cochrane. MS. YOUNG: Thank you, Mr. Chair. The HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank Member is correct. Since capital funding you, Mr. Chair. The criteria for the small started being provided to communities in communities funding is communities 2007, the number has remained at $28 that were under 100,000 people, was million. Every year, we seek an increase the federal criteria for that funding. to operations and maintenance and Thank you, Mr. Chair. water and sewer funding, but the capital funding has remained constant. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Beaulieu. Even though a number of years ago the overall GNWT capital plan went from MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. $150 million down to $75 million, the Chairman. Is there a minimum number October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 57 of people in a community in order to Community Fund which has a minimum access this funding? of 100,000 people, or a maximum of 100,000 people. That fund is then taken CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank and distributed to all the communities, you, Mr. Beaulieu. Minister Cochrane. including the very smallest of our HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank communities, then from there the you, Mr. Chair. No, there is no minimum communities are asked to do project- number of people to access the funding. specific items that are then funded by Thank you, Mr. Chair. this Small Communities Fund program? Is that what I'm to understand from what CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank the Minister is saying? you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Beaulieu. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. you, Mr. Beaulieu. Minister Cochrane. Chairman. Are there other criteria in the Small Community Fund that would, say, HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank restrict this funding to larger you, Mr. Chair. Yes, the Member is communities in the NWT? Thank you. correct. There is a cost share within that formula, so it's 75 per cent to 25 per CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank cent, and then the small communities you, Mr. Beaulieu. Minister Cochrane. have to use their share of the $28 HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank million to access that funding source. you, Mr. Chair. No. As I stated, it is Thank you, Mr. Chair. federal and the criteria is populations CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank under 100,000. Thank you, Mr. Chair. you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Beaulieu. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Beaulieu. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, when this MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. funding was last allocated, small Chairman. Is this project-specific? So is community federal funding, where did it this funding approved by project as go? Did it go to all communities, project- opposed to by community? Thank you. specific? Thank you. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Minister Cochrane. you, Mr. Beaulieu. Ms. Young. HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank MS. YOUNG: Thank you, Mr. Chair. you, Mr. Chair. Yes, there is an This is the first time the Small allocation done for each community, and Communities Fund has been delivered then it is project-specific after that. in this manner by the federal Thank you, Mr. Chair. government, but the previous program prior to this was called Build Canada CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank and we did make access to every you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Beaulieu. community the same way that we have done with the Small Communities Fund. MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So the federal government CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank has a program called the Small you, Ms. Young. Mr. Beaulieu. Page 58 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016

MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. expect every community to have Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the deputy everything, however, I expect the basics minister mentioned that there was some to be given to the communities and for it sort of infrastructure deficit in the whole to be completely ignored as an system of all of the community infrastructure deficit I think is wrong. I infrastructure that exists. So what I'm would like the Minister to commit to curious about is, if a community does returning to the Regular Members any not have, say, paved streets. We'll use change in the infrastructure allegations that as an example. If a community of this $28 million back to committee? doesn't have paved streets, would that Thank you. be considered an infrastructure deficit? CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Minister Cochrane. you, Mr. Beaulieu. Ms. Young. HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank MS. YOUNG: Thank you, Mr. Chair. you, Mr. Chair. When we were looking When we calculated the deficit, we did at the deficit figures, we did consult with use a core suite of infrastructure in the NWT Association of Communities on doing the calculation, and paved streets their advice on what the infrastructure was not one of those core things for component should include. It should be every community. That said, community noted, though, that if we did include governments can use the funding they things like paved streets then the receive, either through the $28 million or infrastructure deficit would be quite a bit through other federal programs, to do larger than it actually is. It should also pavement on streets if they so choose. be noted that we haven't changed the $28 million; the funding is still allocated CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank to the communities as previous. Thank you, Ms. Young. Mr. Beaulieu. you, Mr. Chair. MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank Chairman. I'm getting down to what my you, Minister Cochrane. Sorry, Mr. question would be, here. So certain Beaulieu, your time has expired. Would items which are considered you like me to put your name on again? infrastructure deficit by the government Okay. Next we have Mr. McNeely. would not include other things that larger communities already have, like MR. MCNEELY: Thank you, Mr. paved streets. So therefore, if those Chairman. My question is on the don't count as infrastructure deficits, existing system. I've seen the existing then they don't appear anywhere as a system from our business plan reviews need, therefore there is high potential to the O and M discussions and then for this reallocation of infrastructure going back to the communities for this funding to be taken away from smaller summer's construction season, seeing communities and given to larger where the dollars are coming from and communities. where they're going and how they're spent on capital applications being put I've looked at a document previously forth. which shows that, that things like not everyone has everything, and I don't October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 59

So this whole model of capitalization, O answer. Can we get a copy of this rules and M and federal offsetting of access and guidelines so that we're aware of dollars such as what I've seen here, the what is able and not able to be built with small community fund, in one particular this money? Thank you, Mr. Chair. community they accessed $3 million. That's a significant amount for the CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank construction season and the job it you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Cochrane. created. HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank So I'm just complimenting the system you, Mr. Chair. Yes, we will provide the that's in place already. I wasn't here Members a copy. It comes from the CPI prior to what Ms. Young had mentioned funding and we will provide a copy of it. on the Build Canada Fund opposed to Thank you, Mr. Chair. the system now, but if the system now is CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank working fine and if we can have you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Thompson. assurances in the small communities that that system will continue. Thank MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, Mr. you, Mr. Chair. Chair, and I thank the Minister who will be providing that for us. In regards to CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank this funding, the infrastructure deficit, you, Mr. McNeely. Minister Cochrane. does this funding allow communities to HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank purchase or build homes for staff so you, Mr. Chair. I can't make assurances they can get quality people in to the forever but I can ensure that during my communities and give them homes so tenure as the Minister of MACA that that they can do the work that's needed? formula will remain. Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Chair. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Cochrane. you, Minister Cochrane. Next we have HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank Mr. Thompson. you, Mr. Chair. Yes, the communities MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, Mr. can choose to do that within their capital Chair. Does the department with this planning process. Thank you, Mr. Chair. money have rules and guidelines for the CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank projects that each community can and you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Thompson? cannot do? Thank you, Mr. Chair. MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, and I CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank thank the Minister for that because in you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Cochrane. some of the smaller communities I HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank represent have been asking that and you, Mr. Chair. Yes, we do. Thank you. I've just actually got three or four e-mails that have just come to me and asking CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank the same question. So this capital plan you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Thompson? actually came at the right time. So is it 75/25 per cent for building these homes MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, Mr. for the infrastructure people, like, it's for Chair, and I thank the Minister for her Page 60 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 the staff that are working there, correct? MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Chair, and I thank the Minister. I'm good with that. Once I get this information I CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank can share with the communities, and I you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Cochrane. understand who the people are already HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank in my riding who does the work. I again you, Mr. Chair. No, that isn't correct. The thank the Minister for clarifying that and federal money is a split 75/25 per cent; deputy minister for clarifying that today. however, they can use their core So thank you, Mr. Chair. funding to actually -- capital funding to CHAIRPERSON (Mr. McNeely): Thank provide those units if that's their desire. you. Mr. Thompson. Mr. Blake. Thank you, Mr. Chair. MR. BLAKE: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank a couple of questions for the Minister. you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Thompson. You know, I'm very familiar with MR. THOMPSON: Thank you, Mr. municipal funding to the communities as Chair, and I thank the Minister for that it just came into place when I just answer. I'm just going to assume I know became a chief and mayor. You know this answer already but I'm going to ask the advantages this fund has for the it anyway: has this been shared with the communities it just can't be compared to communities and are the councils the way it used to be. informed of their ability to do that? You know everybody was in line for, you Because there seems to be some know, a project for many years, but now confusion out there so I'm wondering if it we've just got to budget for it and plan has been available to the communities and go forward. I really hope that this that that’s what they can do. Thank you, fund could continue over the years to Mr. Chair. come, and I'd just like to thank the CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank government at the time and this you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Cochrane. government for following through on this. I know there is plans over the last HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank while here to possibly reduce the you, Mr. Chair. Yes, it has been shared amount going to communities. Just with the communities; however if there moving forward, I'd just like to be is any community out there that is assured that funds, for example, for unsure of the policies going forward Tsiigehtchic, Fort McPherson, Aklavik MACA's whole priority is to work with will remain the same over the next few communities and provide them the years? Thank you, Mr. Chair. supports they need, the tools they need to function properly. So we would more CHAIRPERSON (Mr. McNeely): Thank than happy to go back in and work with you, Mr. Blake. Minister Cochrane. any community that is a bit confused on HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank the funding process. Thank you, Mr. you, Mr. Chair. First of all, I'd like to say Chair. thank you for the appreciation of the CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank work that MACA has done. I am you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Thompson. honoured to be the Minister for MACA; it October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 61 is about community development and it HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank works well with my social work degree. you, Mr. Chair. I think that's a bit of a comment, but I do want to express my I also agree that some of the changes honour to be able to travel to the that they've made, things like the New communities and see both the strengths Deal, the funding formula, are really and the challenges that are faced within progressive and do talk about the diverse communities in the community development. So thank you. Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. The second part of that is as long as I'm Chair. here I will ensure that the funding stays. Thank you. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. McNeely): Thank you, Minister Cochrane. Committee, any CHAIRPERSON (Mr. McNeely): Thank further questions on pages 65, 66? you, Minister Cochrane. Anything Questions? Thank you, committee. That further? Mr. Blake. brings us back to page 65. Municipal MR. BLAKE: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm and Community Affairs, regional sure the department does know this, but operations, infrastructure investments, coming from a small community, for $28,002,000. Are we agreed? Oh, sorry. example, like Tsiigehtchic, with the Mr. Beaulieu. amount of funds that we do get for a MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. major project, for example, the band Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I thought I had office or the new municipal office they're indicated that I wanted to get back on planning for, in order to build a piece of the list. I won't be as long. Just two infrastructure like this, we do have to questions. The first question is: when save for a number of years to have they talk about infrastructure deficit in enough funds to proceed with the the communities, we know now that project. It's always important to keep this paved streets or chip sealed streets or in mind. whatever type of suppressant you wish I know that was one of the concerns, to put on your streets is not part of that the communities weren't spending infrastructure deficit. Is housing, is staff that money, but you always have to housing, part of infrastructure deficit? remember from the communities' aspect CHAIRPERSON (Mr. McNeely): Thank is we have to first save in order to have you, Mr. Beaulieu. Minister Cochrane. enough to pay for our projects. That was one of the reasons why those weren't HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank happening, but in visiting all the you, Mr. Chair. No, housing is not in the communities, you see the infrastructure, allocated amount. But as stated earlier, whether it's the new hamlet office in Fort we will provide a list of the items that are McPherson or all the other great approved. Thank you, Mr. Chair. infrastructure the communities have, all the new equipment now. It's very good CHAIRPERSON (Mr. McNeely): Thank to see, very positive, and hopefully this you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Beaulieu. continues. Thank you, Mr. Chair. MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. McNeely): Thank Chairman. Earlier on the deputy referred you, Mr. Blake. Minister Cochrane. to the Building Canada Fund. At one Page 62 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 point, MACA had a seven-year Canada Fund? If we're well within the agreement followed by a ten-year agreement and we need this $28 million agreement. I'm wondering, since this is to leverage the funding, at which point is well within the time, I'm wondering why it incorporated so that we can vote on it? the BCF is not incorporated into this number. In fact, not incorporated into If the Building Canada Fund is used to the actuals and last fiscal year as well. build territorial infrastructure like Thank you. highways and so on but a portion of it is going to the municipality, yet it's not CHAIRPERSON (Mr. McNeely): Thank reflected anywhere -- like, today, we're you, Mr. Beaulieu. Ms. Young. talking about capital. Right? We're not going to talk about capital again this MS. YOUNG: Thank you, Mr. Chair. The year. We're talking about it now. Why federal funding programs that we would it not be reflected here? What receive show up as Fund 3 in our prevents vote 3 funding from being budget, not as vote to funding, capital reflected in this document? Thank you. funding. So all you see here is the GNWT funding provided, the $28 CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank million. All of the federal funding is an you, Mr. Beaulieu. Minister Cochrane. application-based program to Canada, and when we get the money from HON. CAROLINE COCHRANE: Thank Canada it shows up as Fund 3, as you, Mr. Chair. Fund 3 actually is federal federal funding received on behalf of monies. You don't see it in here; this is others. only Government of the Northwest Territories monies. We do not have a Mr. Chair, the Minister has asked me to vote in the federal monies. We fund all clarify. The infrastructure deficit is the projects through; the federal calculated based on a core basket of government decides what allocations goods. Community governments can they'll accept and what not. Thank you, still choose to spend money outside Mr. Chair. what that core basket of goods is. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank So when I say they can spend money of you, Minister Cochrane. Mr. Beaulieu. staff housing, that's true. Is it included in the infrastructure deficit calculation? No, MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. it's not. So because it's not included in Chairman. Mr. Chairman, if we look at the deficit calculation doesn't mean you infrastructure for other departments, can't spend the money on those things. we'll say, such as Transportation or So just to clarify the disconnect there. maybe Health, we know that there is $81 million in the capital plan for our CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank partners that are building the hospital. you, Ms. Young. Mr. Beaulieu. This is the cash flow that's going MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. through here. I don't understand how Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'm not sure if that could be reflected in here, or other I heard the term "vote 3.” "Vote 3" is the federal money that's going into the term? When do we see the capital that Inuvik-Tuk Highway gets reflected in the is vote 3 capital through the Building capital plan but the Building Canada October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 63

Fund of money that's going to the The GNWT indicated that some was municipalities is not reflected in the going to go to territorial infrastructure, capital plan. I just wouldn’t mind having some to municipal infrastructure. So I'm that clarified. just trying to figure out how the communities can reach into the Building CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank Canada Plan on their own to pull the you, Mr. Beaulieu. Ms. Young. money out and then reflect it in their MS. YOUNG: Thank you, Mr. Chair. communities? What are the logistics of Yes, the difference is the Inuvik-Tuk that? I'm not understanding it. Highway as an example is a GNWT CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank project that is being done by the you, Mr. Beaulieu. Ms. Young. Department of Transportation. When it comes to community government MS YOUNG: Thank you, Mr. Chair. projects, all we have here is the block When we receiving funding through a amount of money that we are providing federal program like Building Canada out to communities. the Member's correct, there was a decision made on how much would go Their projects are determined through to Department of Transportation projects their own individual community capital and how much would be set aside for plans and they apply to, for example, community projects. when there is federal funding, they apply for projects to Canada and have them In the case of Department of approved. So in our capital plan, we Transportation, they've identified their aren't approving community projects. three bundles of projects that are being We are only approving the block of brought forward to Canada for approval money that we provide out to and they're put on the GNWT Capital communities. Communities themselves Plan because they are GNWT projects. through their community councils approve which projects they are For the community projects what proceeding with and which ones are happens is we decide on an allocation being held, and that's the difference. per community, but then the community These are not GNWT projects; they're prepares the project application and we community-specific projects. funnel it through to Canada for approval. We actually don't approve or not CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank approve community projects under the you, Ms. Young. Mr. Beaulieu. Building Canada. So it's a slight nuance. But that being said, these are publicly MR. BEAULIEU: Okay. Thank you, Mr. approved lists, once the project is Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just can't approved by Canada we can provide a agree with that. The funding through the complete list of all of the projects to the Building Canada Plan was given to the Members that have been approved GNWT under three different bundles, under any of the federal programs. Bundle Number 1, Bundle Number 2, and Bundle Number 3. Within those CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank bundles, a percentage of it was taken you, Ms. Young. Mr. Beaulieu. Thank out and it was put to municipalities. you for not taking as long there, Mr. Beaulieu. Committee, any further Page 64 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD October 20, 2016 questions on page 65, 66? If not, 13. Report of Committee of the Whole committee, that brings us to Municipal and Community Affairs, regional MR. BLAKE: Mr. Speaker, your operations, infrastructure investment, committee has been considering Tabled $28,002,000. Are we agreed? Document 143-18(2), Capital Estimates, 2017-2018, and we'd like to report SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. progress. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of the Committee of the Whole be CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank concurred with. Thank you, Mr. you, committee. That brings us back to Speaker. page 63, Municipal and Community Affairs, total capital estimates, DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr. Simpson): $28,002,000. Are we agreed? Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Member for Frame Lake. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. ---Carried CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank you, committee. Does committee agree DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr. Simpson): that consideration of the Department of Item 22, third reading of bills. Mr. Clerk, Municipal and Community Affairs is orders of the day. completed? 14. Orders of the Day SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. DEPUTY CLERK OF THE HOUSE (Mr. CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Thank Schauerte): Mr. Speaker, there will be a you. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort meeting of the Government Operations the witness out of the Chamber. Committee at adjournment today. The CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Mr. orders of the day for Tuesday, October Beaulieu. 25, 2016, at 1:30 p.m.:

MR. BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 1. Prayer I move that we report progress. 2. Ministers’ Statements CHAIRPERSON (Mr. Blake): Motion is on the floor to report the progress, the 3. Members’ Statements motion is in order and it's non- 4. Reports of Standing and Special debatable. All those in favour? All those Committees opposed? 5. Returns to Oral Questions ---Carried 6. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery CHAIRPERSON (Blake): The motion is 7. Acknowledgements carried. I will now rise and report the progress. 8. Oral Questions 9. Written Questions DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr. Simpson): May I have your report, Member for 10.Returns to Written Questions Mackenzie Delta. 11.Replies to Commissioner’s Opening Address October 20, 2016 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 65

12.Petitions 13.Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills 14.Tabling of Documents 15.Notices of Motion 16.Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills 17.Motions 18.First Reading of Bills 19.Second Reading of Bills 20.Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters - Tabled Document 143-18(2), Capital Estimates, 2017-2018 - Tabled Document 163-18(2), Capital Estimates, 2017-2018 for the Department of Public Works and Services and Department of Transportation 21.Report of Committee of the Whole 22.Third Reading of Bills 23.Orders of the Day DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr. Simpson): Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 1:30 p.m.

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