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1(:'(/+, 3ULFH 5V CONTENTS No. 25—Monday, September 4 , 1972IBhadra 13, 1894 (Saha)
C o l u m n s Miscellaneous Matters raised by Members— .. 1—15 Re: Quostion of Privilege ...... 2 Re: Floods in West Bengal ...... 16—16 Re: Arrest and Detenti on of Member (ShrihhwarChaudhry) .. 16—17 Rc: Publication of Malaviya Committee Report .. 17—21 Papers Laid on the Table ...... 21—22 Messages from Rajya Sabha ...... 22 Assent to Bill ...... 22 Statement R(. Asians in Uganda— Shri Swaran Singh ...... 23—36 Statements by Member Re. Purchase of shares of Balmer Lawrie and Co. 37-49 Shri Shyamnandan Mishra 37—39 Shri H. R. Gokhale ...... 40—43 Motion Re. Final Report of Direct Taxes Enquiry Committee 49—95 Shri SurendraMohanty 49-55 Prof. Madhu Dandavate 56-60 Shri K. R. Ganesh 60-82 Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu 83—95 Discussion Re. Working of Food Corporation of India 96—162 Shri Piloo Mody 96—104 Shri Shyam Sundei Mohapatra 104—09 Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu 109—14 Shri Darbara Singh 114-17 Shri Jharkliandc Rai 117—22 Shri R.N.Sharma 122—26 Shri Shahnawaz Khan 126—31 Shri Sezhiyan 131—35 Shri Sadhu Ram 135-38 Shri JagannathraoJoshi 138—44 Shri P.M.Mehta 144-46 Shri Samar Guha 146-50 Shri F. A. Ahmed 150-58 LOK SABHA DEBATES
2 LOK SABHA SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU I wait for your permission now Monday, September 4, 1972/ Bhadra 13, 1894 ( Saka) MR SPEAKER Should I treat this also as the last day9
The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYA Clock (Serampore) Yes, Sir, thanks to [M r S p e a k e r in the Chair] Mr Raj Bahadur First, second and then the fourth MISCELLANEOUS MATTERS THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN RAISED BY MEMBERS TARY AFFAIRS SHIPPING SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia- AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ mond Harbour) Sir I gave some BAHADUR) Thanks to you not notices with regaid to the take-over to me of Shdw Wallace it is a very MR SPEAKER There are many scandalous thing because millions matters which ale strictly State oi rupees of black foreign ex subjects change amassed m Switzerland, Tan- gitrs and Hong Kong by R P Goenka and K P Goenka group is 1104 hrs being utilised to take over Shaw Wal lace which is a good company I Re QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE have given you notice I have got some materials Today is the last SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia day Wc may not be able to say any mond Haibour) Let us take up the thing for the next two months privilege issue involving Mr A K Shah MR SPEAKER Unless I call you, do not get up For the last three MR SPEAKER I have decided to days all the time you are telling send it to the Privileges Committee me this is the last diy and so you SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU Shall I should be allowed to say something quote the relevant part of May's This is the third last day Every Parliamentary Practice’ thing that wa<; allowed on the first day will come ut> I think that you MR SPEAKER You quote it when should be satisfied with that On I do not agree As you said, there that day you came up with some are three parts of that privilege thing again on the second last day motion One was under prosecution and then this is the third last day Previously I had decided to refer After all there should be some limit only two but now I think they could to these things not be separated from each other and I had referred the whole matter SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU I have to the Privileges Committee—all the written to you and given notice to three parts Kmdly do not you seeking your permission on a thump the tables That annoys Cer matter which is vitally important tain people here Now, what am I MR SPEAKER You do not care to do about those matters which are to get ray permission yet you do purely State matters’ not know whether I have given ft or SHRI JYOTHWOY BOSU, As for not, example’ 3 Miscellaneous Matters SEPTEMBER 4,1972 Raised by Members 4
11.05 hrs. The workers’ representatives on the committee belonging to the MISCELLANEOUS MATTERS various trade union organisations RAISED BY MEMBERS-contd. like the AITUC, INTUC and HMS are one that the minimum bonus ME. SPEAKER: Mr. Kathamuthu. should be raised from 4 to 8.33 per SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU (Naga- cent. They are also in favour of pattinam): Sir, I would like to raise expanding the scope of this com a matter of serious public impor mittee to include public under tance. In my constituency, students takings and Central Government de of an arts college have been de partments like Defence, Railways manding the opening of a train halt. and P. & T. It is most unfortunate But the railway authorities have that Government has not yet made not taken any action for the last up its mind on this issue. A delega two years. Because of that, a serious tion on behalf of the AITUC would have already met the Prime Minis situation developed on the 25th of ter at 10 A.M. today. After the last month and there were clashes strike by more than 1 lakh textile between railway workers and) stu workers in Bombay, a wave of dents, resulting in injuries to 45 strikes will follow. Sir, today is the students and railway workers. Sub last day of the session and I request sequently arrests are going on. the Labour Minister through you or There is strike by railway workers the Prime Minister to make a state in Tanjore and In the branch lines. ment that the increase in minimum Even in the main line, trams have bonus will be implemented by Gov to be diverted through other routes. ernment without awaiting the report Because of the inordinate delay on the part of the railway authorities, of the bonus review committee. a serious situation has developed Secondly, it is known to the en and I request the Railway Minister tire country that the figure of the through you to open a train halt at cost of living index has not only Kidrangondan between Thiruvarur reached but crossed 238 and is now and Adiakkamangalam in the Sou 240. So, the Central Government em thern Railway. ployees who are seething with dis SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): content should be paid interim relief Myself, Shri Dandavate and those without waiting for the reply of the concerned with labour matters, in Pay Commission. Fortunately, Shri cluding Mr. Kulkarni and Mr. Ganesh is here and I hope he will Stephen on the Congress side, have take the necessary step. Sir, I would been raising the question of increas request you to ask the Ministers to ing the minimum bonus from 4 to make a statement on these two 8.33 ^per cent. During the earlier dis points. cussion, Mr. Khadilkar told us that SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chiray- he is awaiting the interim report of inkil): Imparting education is a pro the Madan Committee—the Bonus fitable trade in Kerala. Some of the Review Committee. I am sure you educational institutions were charg have read the newspapers today, ing from Rs. 2,500 to Rs. 5,000 for Sir, where it is said: admission to classes starting from pre-degree to M.Sc. When the stu “No accord on minimum bonus— dents protested against it and the The bonus review commit Government decided to take over tee concluded its meeting to all educational institutions the day with no unanimity among managements decided to close dpwn the members on the quantum their institutions ©ending n settle of minimum bonus to be re ment. Negotiations went on for quite commended in the interim some time, they came to Delhi and report with regard to con got certain categorical assurances cerns making no Profits. Mr. from the Prime Minister and then Madan, Chairman, told wait thev returned to Kerala and opened ing newsmen that the report their institutions. Now they are in will be submitted on the sisting that students wanting admis 11th”. sion should produce a letter from 5 Miscellaneous Matters BHADRA 3,1894 (SAKA) Miscellaneous Matters 6 the priest of the church. Because of Chandigarh being a Union Territory, the insistence on this letter from the I would request the Central Govern priest of the catolice church for ad ment to intervene in the matter. I mission, the students seeking admis would request the Minister to make sion in such institution are put to a a statement. lot of difficulties. I would request the Minister to make a statement on My second point is, as you are this. aware, Sir, that the Punjab branch of the C. P. I. has levelled serious SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYA: charges against the former I.G. of I would repeat what Shri Banerjee Police who is now the I.G., B.S.F. said about bonus It is now clear Serious charges of corruption, nepo that there can bo no question of tism and misuse of power while in una*nirr,ity in their reviewing com office by former I.G. of Police have mittee and they are trying to water been levelled. I would request the down the whole issue. Government Central Government to institute a is committed to a minimum bonus high-power inquiry against this of 8.33 per cent Now they are try gentleman. Serious charges have ing to discriminate between those been levelled and the matter should concerns which are making profits have been given to the C.B.I. I and those which are not making pro would request the Central Govern fits and between those which are ment to order an inquiry against directly connected with production this gentleman. and which are not directly connected with production like railways, posts MR. SPEAKER: Shri Samar Guha, and telegraphs etc. Today being the Kindly confine yourself to one sub last day of the session, we will not ject It is difficult to allow to many get an opportunity to raise it again. points to be raised. In future, I am In the eastern region the move not going to allow more than one ment or agitation for bonus has al point He has raised the matter of ready started. All the trade unions, Uganda; Asians; about the Food irrespective of partv affiliations, are Ministry, the Hippies and all that. united in making this demand that irrespective of whether there is pro SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai): I fit or not whether an industry is had only asked the Minister to make directly connected with production a statement. I want to know when or not, the employees should get a the Minister will make a statement minimum bonus of 8 33 per cent. So, I also asked about the statement to I would request you to ask the be made in regard to passport and Minister to make a statement. visa system that has been introduced Otherwise, what is the use of wast between Bangladesh and India. The ing the time of the House in rais Government has not made any state ing this issue? ment about it. The House has not been informed about it. Secondly, the cost of living index Then, Sir, you must have seen the has reached 240. Therefore, Shri statement today that most of the Ganesh should be bold enough to Hippies are being expelled from make an announcement here and South East Asia The Hippies have now that Government will give in become a nuisance. I want to know creased dearness allowance to their from the Government whether they employees. are allowing the Hippies from South East Asia to India and corrupt the SHRI B S BHAURA (Bhatinda): minds of our youth. I want to raise a point about the continuous strike in the Engineering MR. SPEAKER: Shri Jyotirmoy College, Chandigarh for more than Bosu: 10 davs. It is reoorted in the press SHRI A. P. SHARMA (Buxar): I also that the students have been have to mention only one subject.... ordered to vacate the hosteTs. The repressive measures are beina used MR SPEAKER: Please don’t get against the students who are on impatient. They gave their intima strike for their just demands. tion in time, much advance of the 7 MisceUanemut Matters SEPTEMBER 4,1972 Miscellaneous Matters 8
[Mr. SPEAKER] SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: We time fixed. You have just sent it have been discussing about R. P. and you want to lead them all m Goenka Group and the take over of the queue. I am not going to allow Balmer Lawrie & Company by Gov those who have sent chits to me ernment. This R. P. Goenka Group while I am sitting here. I am only has been involved in serious econo allowing those which came in time. mic offences. It has come out that they have managed to str’ike a deal PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Ra- with regard to take-over of Shaw japur): Sir, I have given a Calling At Wallace & Co. by paying through tention Notice . . .. their London counterpart, Dunken MR. SPEAKER: No Calling Atten Goodricks & Co. to R. P. Shah in tions are to be referred in the black foreign exchange money ac House. Kindly don’t do it; don’t do cumulated in Switzerland, Tangiers it evebr day. and Hong Kong. Government has a lot of stake in that. Government SHRI A. P. SHARMA: No intima has shares in Shaw Wallace to the tion has been given to us earlier to extent of Rs. 17i lakhs. They have give such kind of intimation. . . . made a profit of 27.5 per cent in the last year and the entire prefer MR. SPEAKER; Don’t take advan ential is owned by Government. The tage of your ignorance. most dangerous thing today—Jwe SHRI A. P. SHARMA: I plead shall discuss this again in the de my ignorance. . . . bate on Wanchoo Committee Report —is the black money that goes out MR. SPEAKER: The other day of this country in the shape of also, you gave this explanation that foreign exchange at a premium; it you were ignorant. I thought during is accumulated in Swiss banks this interval, you must have tried under a code number; they give you to remove this ignorance. an over draft in white money and SHRI A. P. SHARMA: The subject with that while foreign exchange Is so important that on 7th Septem this Goenka Group has acquired ber, all the Central Government em Shaw Wallace through Dunken ployees are going. . . . Goodricks and R. P. Shah at Lon don This is a very serious matter. MR. SPEAKER: It will not go on It is another serious economic off record; 1 have not called him ence being committed. If, Govern ment could take over the compa SHRI A. P. SHARMA:** nies which have liabilities, which MR. SPEAKER: I have called Mr. are sinking Companies why do they Jyotirmoy Bosu. not take over the companies which are really profitable and which are ITo MWkKTlW (tRSfa) : really assets? I ask the Government to Intervene immediately in the wsm Srcr I i matter of Shaw Wallace & Com pany and take it over at once if they really want to mean business. $ STW A ^ UTTWft. . . Secondly, I want to draw your at w w i : m A w r r m m tention and also the attention of the 1 w r v&m, *rrfV w i i House to an editorial written in the Indian Express today. This is a seri *To wfNnrnw tHN : sfta? ous matter. It should concern every member of the House. It is said: *rt *tm arrcvrft ft q f # sRrnrr g i “The ham-handed tactics resort ed to by some of the clowns MR. SPEAKER: That is already who masquerade as the Gov before me. Unless I call you, you ernment’s spokesmen in the should not get up. Please sit down. Lok Sabha strains one’s ere- ** Not recorded, 9 Miscellaneous Matters BHADRA 13,1894 (SAKA) Mutcellaneus Mutters 10
dibility m the capacity of tisan view. We have, got great res small men to exercise their pect for the editor who put out that small minds”. editorial. But, we cannot say that that editorial is not partisan or that It should concern you the most, Sir. it is balanced, fair or objective, This is a front-page editorial writ ten by a well known journalist of SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: They the country, Mr. Frank Moraes I called y(u clowns. do not agree with him on many things, but when he has pointed out SHRI PILOO MODY: I do not something which concerns Lok know why you have allowed him to Sabha, I most humbly request you, raise this controversial issue. He is Sir, to ask the hon Prime Minister talking about Duncan Bros, and to make a statement on the editorial other things which has come m the front page MR. SPEAKER: Ho referred to it. of the Indian Express About Shaw Wallace would you be so kind to SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: You ask the Minister of Company Affairs read this. May I lay it on the Table? to make a statement before the MR. SPEAKER: No It need not House adjourns to-day as to what be laid they propose to do9 SHRI PILOO MODY: This being SHRT PILOO MODY (Godhra): the last day ol session, won’t you In the discussion on the Wanchoo take a more generous view and al Committee report low me to sav a couple of words? I SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: My friend, would not take more than a mmute. Mr Jyotirmoy Bosu has referred to MR SPEAKER: Couple of words a certain editorial m a newspaper. about what9 SHRI PILOO MODY: About the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: They disturbed situation in Jaipur. called you as clowns. MR SPEAKER: I am coming to SHRT RAJ BAHADUR: I would that later on But something he has say that while we, on this side, tried brought in between . . . (Interrup to provide all the necessary time tions) for debates and discussions m the House, you might know, Sir, in this SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Have session we had to adjourn on two you read this editorial9 days on account of the sad demise As custodian of the Lok Sabha. . . of two members Hence, the pres sure at the end of the session Apart MR SPEAKER1 I do not cherish from that, we have never said that it much because quorums do fail in we do not owe a responsibility to the House sometimes and sometimes the House to maintain the quorum there is a lot of noise in the House At the same time, when they are from one side or the other. But I also anxious to have a debate—they must say that we should not give any are as many—160 members on their chance for such comments in future. side—let it not be forgotten by them It is not only a duty of all of us to that if they are serious enough, maintain quorum and also to see about a discussion they should also that the debate goes on smoothly on have co-operated with us . (Inter the items that are there on the ruptions). If you are interested in a agenda But the language in which particular matter, it should be this is mentioned has not been very brought out clearly .(Interrup pleasing to me , .. (Interruptions). tions) Mishraji, luckily he has thrown all the burden on the Treasury Ben SHRI PILOO MODY: Mr Raj ches He forgot that you also owe Bahadur, Why are you permitting this some duty to the House. The Oppo controversy0 sition also owe a duty to maintain SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: There certain strength in the House. Now, must be a balanced view taken and the main objection was from your an objective view taken, not a par side . . . 11 Miscellaneous Matters SEPTEMBER 4,1972 Miscellaneous Matters 12
SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS rose. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I am feeling very sad. MR. SPEAKER: One at a time please. MR. SPEAKER: We all feel very sad. SHRI PILOO MODY: I strongly object that this incident be reduced SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA to a question of quorum alone. It (Begusarai): Would you consider is not an incident connected with evenly distributing strictures and only quorum. There are great many wise words between ruling party and overtones and by allowing this sqrt opposition? Many a time we have of debate and trying to restrict it found that we have been subject to to the issue of quorum, I think, is more strictures than the ruling doing more damage to the incident party. The other day you said, mino and I plead with Mr. Rai Bahadur, rity obstructs the majority which is ‘Do not reduce it to a matter of quo not so kind to some of us. rum alone’. Let the debate on the sub MR. SPEAKER: When I say some stantial issues go on. If you like let thing to them I have a right to say it go on behind the doors, but. lot something to you also and to in us not reduce this thing to a moc vite your attention to certain things. kery and say that it is all because I also feel that when that matter of quorum. was settled the other day it would be quite improper for Mr. Bosu again MR. SPEAKER: Both sides have to introduce this matter It was set a duty to see that the quorum is tled already. Al] ot us m a good maintained. spirit finished the matter. It should SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: So far as not have been brought up today. the issues to which Mr. Piloo Mody MR. JYOTIRMOY BOSU: On a is referring, the Government is point of order, arising out of what equally anxious to state its position you have just now said. The strength both with regard to the Food Corpo of the House Is 2:1 as between the ration of India and the Direct Taxes ruling party and the opposition. Enquiry Committee Report and the That means 35 and 18 On that day insinuations in this particular paper we had 28. I must say that Mr. . . .(Interruptions) is rather mischie Frank Moraes has done a particular vous. service to this House and to the MR. SPEAKER: After the whole country in what he has written. matter was settled there and you ex MR. SPEAKER: We may run short tended the session for one dav more, of quorum a number of times; we these should not have been brought may be .lacking here and there. You into the House—these comments—by accuse each other a number of Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu. But once you times; I also participate; I also give have brought it, I cannot but bring my comments; but when the com It to your notice that irrespective of ments come from outside, I have not this side or that side, kindly see been able to appreciate them. that it is the duty of the House to SHRI B. P. MAURYA (Hapur): keep the quorum. That is not desirable. We should see that the debate SHRI PILOO MODY: May I make goes on without disturbance To re- a submission on this issue? I do dluce the strength of the quorum is not think that the Lok Sabha should not a good tactics I must sav this. be touchy about what people write But at the same time we should not about them invite unfair comments on it and then be very proud of it. MR. SPEAKER: They are not . . . SHRI PILOO MODY: It is not ma MR. JYOTIRMOY BOSU: We are terial who made that comment, Mr. not proud. Frank Morals rr somebody else, but what is material: is that the Press MR. SPEAKER: I feel very sad should write and should have the at it. right to comment as it sees fit on 13 Miscellaneous Matters BHADRA. 13,1894 (SAKA) Mi&cc/lan/out Matters 14 anything that we do in this House, 1137 hrs and I thmk, the entire matter is something that we should heed in RE ARREST AND DETENTION OF order to improve ourselves. We MEMBER should not try to pass strictures MR SPEAKER Shri Ishwar Chau- against somebody who sees us m a dhry had seen me m my room He bad light says that the Superintendent of the ME SPEAKER At times, Mr. Patna iail had sent some wrong in Piloo Mody, we see a lot in the formation I am sending it for veri Press They do not spare any one fication and as soon as it comes, I of us We have all respect for them shall take action on it Sometimes the comments are a lit tle harsher, sometimes they are *To w w ftin w (*r3Rftr) balanced, sometimes they are plea sparer tt^ t, w jw ^?rr i sant My view is this, so far as ob servation on these procedures are MR SPEAKER He has already concerned It is a different matter seen me m that connection what they write about debate There may be some procedural lacuna or srro ^ sfljjr i some other difficulty mav arise m the House, and on that also we see Tfo rTwfcnrm qtiu : this The rules do not provide for anything and everything They sffo ?r*n * # aft to should not give such loud stretch of imagination and use some harsh f m f words about one side That is all that 11 I would say I had made a request to him that when the Government MR SPEAKFR Unless I allow it, had rectified it and everything had how can he raise it’ I am going to been settled, there was no need tor verify it further comments by Shn Jyotirmoy Bosu, and I hope that he agrees to ®t ° e r w t a r c m " r fr t r : *r ® w *rcrt- my request W, 16 5PFRT *T 3 fez TO # SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU I shall w r "gwiyrre, «ft agree to your request, but now I become entitled to make a further 10 3T*FRT, 1972 submission What did it reveal’ It revealed—I have already written to 15 15^ f*u*rr ’ pit sftr i,ooo you about this—the ruling party’s w r ^ qw t strict 24 1 9 7 2 loss of confidence in the Government itself fcsto mavra, 't&tt, w xm \" MR SPEAKER I have to tell Shri 2 ftrarsn; # TO Shyamnandan Mishra that it was the ^ r w | , ''^m3Ffr^cTTOT|% duty of the Opposition side also to see that the numbers were kept ST3PRT, wNr ?HTT, spt 28 SHRI K S CHAVDA (Patan) At mm 1972 T pRPRT TOPRft that time, our number was 28 t t fm farr w 1”
MR SPEAKER I cannot suppress TO $ TOT fap iTT^fhr WP& my feeling over this that whem the Opposition had a strength of 160, at Tt 2 4 snrar ^ 3 w tot least 60 could have remained pre TO # WT TOT fa sent on their side t o r t o t SHRI P K DEO (Kalahandi) We *rtt tot 1 have only one-third responsibility SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU We MR SPEAKER I do not know on were 28, although the ratio is only whose intimation the superintendent 2:L gave this information. 15 Floods in West Bengal SEPTEMBER 4,1972 Re: Arrest and Detention jq of Member no «w»wrcmqfi*r: w MR. SPEAKER: I have Called Shri Manoranjan Hazra. w ct^zfr ^ |tr ^ «PT SHRI MANORANJAN HAZRA s p ft f ^ r srw i (Arambagh): I beg to submit that after having been hurt by the un MR. SPEAKER: Let me verify it. precedented drought, the entire The hon. Member gave it to me at State of West Bengal has been affec 10.59 a.m. How can I see it? How ted with serious floods at present can 1 allow it? It is very wrong. Nor especially the Lower Damodran. ba mally. this should have come after sin, that is, from the south west of 24 hours. The hon. Member did not the Burdwan district to the shore give me any time to see it. of the sea, that is, the districts of fw r sftaft ( tot) : srtaro wetor Howrah and Midnapur with Aram bagh sub-division of Hooghly have *TPT
A n n u a l R e p o r t o p C a s h e w C o r p o r a t io n or I n d ia , 1970-71 ASSENT TO BILL THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE SECRETARY Sir, I lay on the MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE Table the Taxation Laws (Amend (SHRI A C GEORGE) I beg to lay ment) Bill. 1972 passed by the Houses on the Table a copv of the Annual of Parliament during the current Report (Hindi and English versions) session and assented to since a report of the Cashew Corporation of India was last made to the House on the Limited for the year 1970-71 along 1st September, 1972 with the Audited Accounts and the comments of the Comptroller and 23 Asians in Uganda (St.) SEPTEMBER 4,1972 Asians in Uganda (St.) 24
STATEMENT RE. ASIANS IN We* strengthened the staff of the UGANDA High Commission in Kampala by six officials in the second week of August. THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL Shri M. A. Rahman. Additional Sec AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): retary in the Ministry of External The Deputy Minister for External Affairs was deputed to Uganda from Affairs made a statement in the House August 26 to 31. He held discussions on August 11 on the subject. with the Ministers of External Affairs, Home, Defence and of After President Amin’s speech of Finance as well as with senior mem 9th August announcing tjje expulsion bers of the Foreign Office. He also of Asians of foreign citizenship within met representatives of the Indian 90 days, a decree was issued on the community. same day cancelling entry permits and certificates of residence of all per There are four categories of people sons of Asian origin who are citizens of Asian origin in Uganda: of the UK, India, Pakistan or Bangla desh. A statutory order issued the (a) Ugandan citizens. same day listed the following catego (b) British passport holders. ries of persons who would be exempt (c) Indian nationals and from these orders: (d) Stateless persons. (a) Persons in the employment We naturally accept responsibility for of Government, international Indian citizens in Uganda. I had organisations and para-gov written to Uganda’s Minister for ernmental organisations. Foreign Affairs pointing out that while we recognise the Uganda Gov (b) Professionals such as teachers, ernment’s right to regulate their in school owners, lawyers medi ternal affairs according to their best cal practitioners auditors, ac judgment we would expect that countants, surveyors, techni Indian nationals who arc required to cians in industrial, commer leave their country are enabled to do cial and agricultural enter so under conditions conforming to prises, owners of industrial humane and equitable standards un and agricultural enterprises, der international law and usage. As managers and owners of long as Indian nationals remain in banks and insurance compa that country, their honour and safe nies. ty and the security of their proper SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra): ty are a responsibility of the Uganda What about architects? Government. We haye also impress ed on the Uganda Government that SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I am not they should announce urgently their sure whether there are many archi regulations in respect of sale of pro tects of Indian origin. perties, realisation of assets, transfer We have been informed by the of assets out of the country and ad Uganda Government that they are ministration of residual assets. now preparing lists of exempted per sons who will shortly be notified. There are about 4,500 Iftdian na tionals in Uganda who have notified On August 19, President Amin dec themselves to the Indian High Com lared that citizens of Uganda of Asian mission. Of these we have collected origin would be required to quit as a detailed statistics regarding 3863 and second phase operation. However, on information on the remainder will be August 22 President Amin announced completed within the next few days. that citizens of Uganda of Asian ori As far as these persons are concern gin would not come within his order ed, we have already initiated arrange of expulsion within 90 days but that ments for their shipping and airlift citizenship documents would be care ing and for extending Customs and fully scrutinised. Import Control concessions. We are 25 Asians m Uganda (St.) BHADRA 13, 1894 (SAKA) Asians in Uganda (St.) 26 concerned at the repatriation of their support of human rights and freedom, assets. We consider that the present the dignity of man and equality of facilities for the repatriation of cash all races and moveable are wholly inadequate in relation to their long residence in SOME HON MEMBERS ROSE— Uganda as well as for starting a new MR. SPEAKER: Every day you life. We have urged that they should have to be reminded that according be allowed to bring all their personal to the rules, no discussions or ques belongings, while the repatriation of tions follow. their residual assets should be on a fair and equitable basis SHRI SHYAMNANDAN M3SHRA (Begusarai): If some time is left As the House is aware, the United after all the discussions are over, Kingdom Government have accepted would it not be possible for the minis full responsibility for persons of ter to give some clarifications with re Asian origin in Uganda holding Bri gard to this statement? tish passports We have noted with satisfaction the clear and forthright SHRI C C DESAI (Sabarkantha): approach of the UK Government to We will not be meeting for another this problem We are in touch with two months There are certain steps the UK Government and understand that arrangements for the movement which the Government of India must of these persons into the UK are take to receive these people in this being made by them country. According to present information, SHRT SWARAN SINGH: If it is the scrutiny by the Uganda authori convenient to you, Sir, I am prepar ties of the documents of citizens of ed to answer some questions. Asian origin is scheduled to be com MR SPEAKER: I will allow two pleted by September 10. We have in or three clarifications, but not in the the meantime, made our stand known totm of a discussion, because this is to the Uganda Government that state a very important subject. But it will less persons and those whose citizen not be treated as a precedent because ship is revoked would continue to be the rules are very clear and we have Uganda’s responsibility under inter been observing them in letter and national law and convention spirit In today’s world, cons' derations of SHRI K D MALAVIYA (Domaria- compassion and generosity must needs ganj) • Tt will not be treated as a pre govern the spirit in which thousands cedent but a few more questions of persons who have lived in that might be allowed country for decades are uprooted, and are required to start afresh in new MR. SPEAKER: Two from this surroundings. To be compelled to side and one from that side. leave in haste can only add to their 12 hrs. suffering. SHRI C C. DESAI- Sir, we seem to Many aspects of human rights and have an uncanny knack for two fundamental freedoms are involved things—receiving things without kick To proceed on considerations of ing back and unlimited absorption of ethnic origin and discriminate against immigrants from abroad. This we oeoDle of a particular race or region have done for centuries past. Sir, this is likely to weaken the struggle problem should be handled humanis against racial discrimination in other tically and not legalisticallv. I am areas. afraid the approach of the Ministry of India has always responded with External Affairs is likely to be legalis sympathv and humanity to those who tic. In other words they will say that have suffered and sought shelter those people who are Indian nationals here. We cannot denv it to our own alone would be permitted to enter kith and kin, We must stand firm in this country, 27 Asians M Uganda (St.) SEPTEMBER 4,1972 Asians *n Uganda (St.) 28
SHRI C. C. DESAI: ever country it may be, be it. Kenya, Now these are people of Indian ori Uganda or Tanzania. Now what is gin. Some of them have under our happening? If they are bringing advice accepted Ugandan nation eight sarees, two are withheld and ality, some of them have, under our only six sarees are given to them. advice, accepted British nationality. The other two sarees will be exported Now we are hearing of mar to India, sold here and! the export ches and morchas even in earnings will be remitted to Uganda, the United Kingdom. Only this Do we want this to happen? So, our morning you must have read in the policy in regard to Indians from East papers that there were marches, what Africa should be that every person of are called morchas in our country, in Indian origin should be allowed to the Uniled Kingdom against the entry come back to India with whatever of these people. Many of these people they can bring without payment of are homeless and penniless; they will customs or other duties. not find it easy to settle down in the Lastly, there must be a cell in United Kingdom In other words, Gujarat for the rehabilitation of these they will want to come back to India people. Most of them who are coming So, the criterion should be that every from East Africa are originally from person of Indian origin, whether he Gujarat. is an Indian national Stateless person Ugandan national or a British pass- MR. SPEAKER; This is not a clari port-holder, if he is living in East fication He is entering into a debate. Africa, must be permitted to come to SHRI C. C. DESAI: These people this country and have the right to have to be resettled. Yet, the Ministry settle down in this country. This must of Rehabilitation does not seem to be bo on the condition that he must be aware of this problem. They have to willing to accept once and for all depute a team to Gujarat for the re Indian nationality. I am saying this habilitation of these refugees. because I was a High Commissioner once and I know that we used to ad SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA: I do not vise people of Indian origin in those wish to say much, but I am sorry I countries to accept the local nationa do not agree with the approach of my lity because that was the policy of the hon. friend, Shri C. C. Desai about Government of India at that time. the unconditional manner in which he They have accepted our advice and is advocating his own views that all accented local citi7enship. Therefore, citizens of Indian origin should be it will not be right for the Government allowed to come back to India. That to prohibit those peoDle of Indian ori view is not acceptable to this House gin from coming to this country. because there are many considera tions which we must weigh before Secondly, what is happening in taking any decision on this matter. Uganda today should be a matter of These people might have amassed warning of for what would happen in wealth in a reasonable or unreason the East African colonies tomorrow. able manner. Therefore this question We are told that the President of should receive very serious considera Tanzania is not happy with the tion. But I agree that broadly speak treatment meted out to the residents ing humanistic approach has to be of Uganda. A year ago it was the applied to this very important ques President of Tanzania—it was Zan tion. zibar then—who was acting against SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia Indian interests and the Indian girls mond Harbour): Why is it that the were forcefully married to the Sultan Government of India had left the of Zanzibar. This can happen in whole matter in the hands of career other colonies also. diplomats instead of tackling it at the Therefore, mv submission is that oolitical level? Why is it that the hon. we must allow people of Indian ori Minister or the Deputy Minister did gin to come back and bring with not visit Uganda to negotiate the them whatever they can from which matter with that government and 29 Aftiattx in Uganda BHADRA 13, 1894 (SAKA) Asians in Uganda 30 (St.) (St.) come to some sort of amicable settle SHRI SAMAR GUHA ROSE— ment in this regard? MR. SPEAKER: I am sorry. I rrcwtfft (urrsrrjr): sr«*rcr wanted to confine it to two or three questions. ^ tT«fr *Tfr^T | sfrc SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai): ^ *N r ? r ^ t f s t ^ *ft ^fH^r ?r$ff | i Sir, it is on my request made on the floor of the House that there should
SHRI SWARAN SINGH: in some form. but the ultimate satis- While we have been generally factory .solution of the problem, both a:lvising that persons of Indian ori- with regard to the safety of these gm who are in foreign countries persons and also with regard to their snould try to act in such a, manner properties, will have to be dealt with tnat their actidn is in conformity patiently, L should say, with the co- with the aspirations of the local peo- operation of the Government of p ~e-and that has been our general Uganda, and this is the hard reality. advice-I am quite clear in my mind SHRI SAMAR GUHA: The forum t hat we had never advised them that of Afro-Asian Conference could be th2y should take British passports or useful for this purpose. that they should accept British citizen., shi_:; we had never advised them; I SHRI SWARAN SINGH: Now. it am absolutely clear on that issue. is true, as .some persons have said, The House might recall that this w as that they are facing difficulties in a point which at that time appeared the matter of bringing their proper- to be pursued by Mr. Duncan ties, particularly movabl~ properties. Sandays who was in authority there There are ce ." tain restrictions on that and he wanted large number of these which have been imposed by the persons to accept British citizen- Government of Uganda. At the pre- ship. So, these persons. in their own sent moment, the restrictions are wisdom, decided to take British that the movable personal effects of passports and British citizenship. the value of about 9000 shillings are But, having said that, I will say, if allowed. plus another 1000 shillings there is any human problem. we by way of cash. should be prepared to deal with it. With regard to immovable pro- But we should not undertake any perty, the record is kept there and blmket responsibility of the type later on, some method will have to that has been urged here. be found to repatriate later the value About taking up this matter in the of the property that might be realis- international forum I would be quite ed. We have been urging that this frank and say that there are certain limit that is now imposed should be l'm ~ t::.!tions of anything arising or more liberalised, but I cannot say coming out of it. In fact as you what success we shall achieve in m; ght have seen it has been raised this respect. in a different form by Mr. B. R. Shri P . M. Mehta has said that Bhagat in the context of the discus- some persons have been arrested sion on Human Rights. This matter there. If he could give -me the parti- will have to be settled bilaterally cula':s. we shall be prepared to take with the Government concerned and it un with the Government of this is what we are hoping to Uganda. achieve. Unfortunately the capacity of the United Nations to deal with SHRT P . M. MEHTA: I have for- m atters of this nature is extremely warded a list to the hon. Minister. l imited. It has been demons.trated l!ol"n1f?f ~~<:T ~T~ <:~ ( ~m<::) : ll' from time to time that whereas speeches might be made and some 12.27 hours The Government’s clarification re STATEMENTS BY MEMBER RE. peats that the price was determined PURCHASE OF SHARES OF by an “independent authority” It 5s BALMER LAWRIE AND CO. the Ministry which is responsible to this Parliament and not any indepen SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA dent authority The Ministry is try (Begusarai): The Government’s cla ing to shove oft its responsibility m rifications fail to remove impression accepting this high price to some of contradictions and inconsistencies other authonty. What is the identity m its statements on the purchase of of this authority and why it adopted shares of Baimer Lawrie & Co., thus peculiar and unique principles and reinforcing the doubts about the fair criteria in this particular case7 Why ness of the transaction should the Ministry tight shy of owning up the responsibility for pay For instance, I had pointed out: ing this price’ “Accoiding to Minister’s state The Mmistiy’s clarification on pay ment on August 4,1972, Duncans ment of two different prices for the had oflered to buy IBP’s hold same shares for two concerns, again, ing of Balmer Lawrie for does not stand to either logic or its 160 a share However, on reason If, as the clarification says, 18th August, 1972, Minister Alex Lawue were so much attached stated that the Government to Duncan as to insist the Govern would not ‘ suriender to this ment should buy the shares held by attempt at depressing the share both simultaneously, it is leasonable maiket on the pait of Goenka to exp ct Alex Lawrie also to say and Duncan Biotheis to see that Government pay the same price that we sold our shares to them to both The fact that Alex Lawrie at a very unfavourable price”. got a lesser price can conceivably be These two claims are contra explained by one of two reasons. (1) dictory”. theie was some arrangement by Now the Government says which between Alex Lawrie and Duncan there was a sharing of the “If the share market had not higher prices that the Duncan got or been depressed there would (2) the Government did not apply have been a corresponding the same method and pressure on lesser inducement to sell Bal Duncans as they did on Alex Lawrie mer Lawrie shares to Duncan to get the shares at the lower of the Bi others at the price of two prices If the latter is the case, Rs 160 a share at which price what reasons prevented the Govern Duncans had offered to buy ment irom applying the same pres Balmer Lawrie shares from sures on Duncans as on Alex Lawrie IBP” to get the shares at Rs 85 (even which was much higher than the Where was the question of induce market price) Besides the fact of the ment at all when the Government, two prices paid does rot square with according to the Minister’s own state the Government’s claim that its “in ment, was bent on acquiring control dependent authorities” had fixed m national interest and not selling Rs 95 as the intrinsic value If in its shares’ And secondly, if the mar trinsic value is Rs 65 why not the ket was depressed it stands to reason same yard stick be applied to the that Government should have taken Alex Lawrie holdings also’ Why advantage of the low prices and should fairness and justice granted bought more shares to acquire effec to one be denied to another’ tive control over Balmer Lawne Fourthly, I had pointed out* Granting the Government’s view that it was absolutely necessary to “Government has not answered take over the concern the comple the charge that after Goenka mentarity of Duncans offering a high had wrapped the deal hr mani price and them depressing market to pulated the share ma^et to induce Government to sell, does "sot raise the price to Rs 95 the arise at all moment deal was completed 39 Statements SEPTEMBER 4, 1972 wider Direction U5 40 Shri Shyamanandan Mishra: SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia mond Harbour); On a point of order the Government should have I had written a letter to the Hon. issued an ordinance to take Minister and the reply that has been over the company to prevent given intensifies the suspicion that Goenka from manipulating the the deal is a shady deal. He clearly share market”. evaded giving us the profit and loss The Government says that the account for 1971 because the com* shares were purchased at intrinsic pany had lost Rs. 25 lakhs. Secondly, value. It adds: the LIC and IBP holding a controll ing interest had the preemptive right “The question of issuing any or ot take-over . . . dinance to take over its mana gement did not arise as ever- since April, 1970, a minimum of MR. SPEAKER: This is a statement 2 Government and/or IBP no under direction 115. This is not a de minees were functioning as Di bate. Do not take advantage of every rectors on the Board of Balirer opportunity to make an observation. Lawne. It is submitted that The Hon. Member, Shri Shyamanan the need for issuing an Ordi dan Mishra, had certain doubts about nance ‘the moment deal was the correctness of the statement completed’ could not possibly made by the hon. Minister and he have arisen as the completion has made a statement on it, to which of the deal automatically re the hon. Minister will reply. This is sulted in the IBP taking over between the hon. member and the the control of the Balmer hon. Minister. Lawrie Group”. But you are introducing something When I used the word “wrapped” which is extraneous to it. I meant by it that the negotiations SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Rule were completed. This was done much 376. Point of order. before June 7 when, the company for mally passed into government poss MR. SPEAKER: No, please. ession. That earlier, in Government’s THE MINISTER OF LAW AND own clarification, it is stated that the JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND price of the share rose in April, May CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHLE): and June and then came down shows I had thought that during the last how this provided an opportunity to half-an-hour discussion which in fact Duncans to manipulate the share lasted an hour, all the points made market during the interval. by the Hon’ble Members had been Fifthly, the Government has given adequately answered. Subsequently, the plea that since its two directors my colleague Shri K, R. Ganesh, were there on the Board of Balmer while speaking on the Supplementary Lawrie there was no need to take Grants, has further and fully clari over immediately. But the presence fied the position. of two Government nominees is not On the very first point made by the Government’s conception of tak Hon’ble Member Shri Mishra, it is a ing over of a company as we under fact that Duncans offered to buy stand it. Balmer Lawrie shares held by the Lastly, the Government’s stress on IBP at Rs. 160 per share. Obviously, the intrinsic worth is in total con the larger the gap between the mar tradiction to Government’s policy. ket quotation of a share and the Government even amended the Cons price offered for their purchase, the titution to enable it to pay as larger would be the inducement for “amount” for take over of private the holder of the shares to sell them. property in contradistinction to com However, we were not deflected from pensation. Why then this plea of our purpose by this attractive offer ‘intrinsic worth”? Is there a rever of Duncan Brothers. We wanted to sal of policy? In how many cases has buy these shares to strengthen the the Government paid or propose to public sector. There is thus no con pay “intrinsic value” for property tradiction or inconsistency in my taken over in public Interest? earlier statements. 41 Statements BHADRA 13, i894 (S.A.KA) Under Direction 115 42 The crux of the matter really is the first few days of June 1972, very whether the low market quotatio:n of few share-holders took advantage of these shares could have been taken the increased price and only 148 advantage of for gaining control over shares changed hands duri·.ng this Balmer Lawrie group. Although in period. my earlier statement I had explained this matter in clear terms it appears When earlier I had made a refe- that the Ho·n'ble Member did n:ot rence to the determination of the fully appreciate the situation. I there- pric'e by independent author'\ities fore repeat the facts. FJven if it is there was no suggestio·n that we d'id assumed for the sake of argument not exercise any check in the matter that the IBP coul'd buy all of the on our part. I had said that the valua- 28,474 shares held by some 953 share- tion of the shares was not done by holders, such a purchase would have my Ministry alone but by other agen- sti1l failed to provide clear control cies also independently, Only there- over the Balrr.er Lawrie group. All after was the final view taken in the that IBP would have succeeded in matter. Independent valuation was achieving would have been the en- made by the Indian Oil Corporat'ion, largement of its total holding i'll Bal- the Department of Company Affairs, mer Lawrie from 30.1 per cent to the Department o£ Economic Affairs 49.86 per cent and this would not and by the Unit Trust of I'lldia. There have given it a controlling position. was also nQthing peculiar or unique It is ·aot as if the poss'ibility o£ buy- in the methods and principles that ing shares from the market at the were adopted in this particular case then prevailing low prices did not for making a valuatio·n of the shares. occur to the IBP and the Govern- The same agencies made the valua- ment. This was c'arefully considered, tion of the IBP shares and on exactly but had to be rejected, first because the same principles when the Indian if th" IBP had entered the market to Oil Corporation bought the IBP purchase these shares their prices shares from Steel Brothers of U.K. would harve undoubtedly shot up. This procedure has bee'll followed in This almost i·nvar'iably happens for several other cases too. Briefly, the any shares. The moment a big buyer valuation has been made, first, on shows interest in enlarging his hold- the bas'is of the written-down book- ings of a particular company, the value of the assets. The book-r;alue of rrarket quotation of its shares al- the assets is very much lower than ways goes up. It is, therefore, quite their present market val]Je. Secondly, certain th:=tt. IBP would have had to on the basis of the market quotation pay ~ much higher price for these of the shares, I had already stated shares than that at which 'it finally earlier that i·a the valuation made acquired control by purchasing them in this case the higher price of Rs. 94 from Duncan Brothers and Alex then obtaining was ignored and only Lawrie. Second, and the over-riding the lower pr'ice of Rs. 68 was taken. consideration w as that by the adop- The third factor is the value of the tio'll of this course, IBP would have share calculated on the average earn- only succeeded in increasing 'its in- i~1g c·apacity o£ the company in the vestment in Balmer Lawrie without last 3 years, after taking note of un- gaining even. 50 per e:eo.nt control. In usual features, if any. It is the aver- fact it could never gain control as age of these three factors that deter- long as it did not purchase the share- mined the price that we agreed to holding from Duncan Brothers a·nd/ pay. or Alex Lawrie. Of course, it was futile to expect that IBP would have When I had quoted the present net succeeded in buying all of the 28,474 worth of the assets of Balmer shares from the public. This should Lawrie, it was essentially to illustrate be clear from the fact that in the that by purchas'ing the shares at the first six months of 1972. i.e. from 1st ·negotiated price IBP was able to January to 30th June, 1972, only 1,019 strike a good deal. There was no sug- shares of Ba.lmer Lawrie cha'llged gestion by me that the present net hands. Desnite the fact that the price worth of the assets had been adopted from early April was Rs. 94 per share for working out the price; I had made and remained at that level r'ight upto it clear that for working out the price Statement/s SEPTEMBER 4. 1972 Under Direction H5 44 SHRI H. R. GOKHALE: deal has not been in public interest. of the shares only the written-down The mystery has further deepened book value of the assets had been and we would request you to provide adopted. for a discussion during the next session, Much is again being sought to be made of the price differential at SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: May I wnich the Balmer Lawrie shares were request you to refer this matter to purchased from Duncan Brothers and the Public Accounts Committee? Let from Alex Lawrie. 1 would like the the whole thing be examined by the Hon'ble Members to appreciate that Public Accounts Committee. we were dealing with two parties MR. SPEAKER: You are mistaken. with two altogether different moti I cannot send the matter. He made vations, cne was interested in gain a statement and the Minister made ing absolute control over the Balmer a statement in reply. They are before Lawrie group, while the other only the House. There is no other proce wanted to disinvest. It is because of dure. this fact that the negotiations with Alex Lawrie to bring down the price SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: The succeeded and eventually they whole deal is a shady deal. It is a agreed to sell their share-hoiding at serious matter. Money has been Rs. 85 per share. given away by this Government to the monopolies. Kindly send it to The Hon’ble Member has stated the Public Accounts Committee. that the Government should have issued an Ordinance as soon as the MR. SPEAKER: How can I send deal was “wrapped”, by which he it? means that the negotiations were completed, so that the market price SHRI SHYAMANANDAN of these shares could not be manipu MISHRA: Would the Minister be pre lated. It appears to me that the main pared to satisfy the public and remove point I had made had been missed. the suspicion from their minds by re Even before the negotiations were ferring it to the Public Accounts Com coxnpieted, the market quotation was mittee? already Rs. S4 per share. But as I SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN (Kan- have repeatedly clarified, this in gra): Our friends do not know the crease in the market quotation was procedure. The P.A.C. can suo motu ignored and only the lower price of take notice of any action. It is not Rs. 68 per share was taken into ac necessary for the Speaker or the count for assessing the valuation of Minister. You are unnecessarily these shares. Nothing, therefore, was creating an issue and trying to get to be gained by issuing an Ordinance publicity. at that stage. In any case, the objec tive was to acquire control on the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: We Balmer Lawrie Company which could want a probe into the matter. and was achieved by IBP acquiring the shares of Duncan Brothers & SHRI H. N. MUKHERJEE (Cal Alex Lawrie. IBP held 30 per cent cutta-North East): We have heard shares and other private share both sides. They are in the posses holders held some 19 per cent of the sion of the House. After having shares. There was no need for Gov heard the statement, many misgiv ernment to take over these shares. ings remain which warrant this re quest to you that this matter be SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: What referred to the Public Accounts about your pre-emptive rights? Committee. MR. SPEAKElt: I have no- powez SHRI SHYAMANANDAN MISHRA: under the rules. This matter came None of my points, I must confess, under direction 115. Do not try to have been met. I must also confess force anything on me. to a great sense of disappointment as^tt has all been a waste of effort. SHBI SHYAMANANDAN MISHRA: Doubts necessarily persist and we We seek your protection. There is cannot resist the conclusion, that this suspicion in bur minds that Bs. 67 45 Statement# BHADKA 13,1891 {8AKA) Under Directivn 115 46 lakhs have been gifted away to a SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I had particular party, and the public ex moved that half-hour discussion and chequer has been robbed of this some replies were given to that dis money. cussion. From that, this statement under Direction No. 115 has taken ME. SPEAKER: Under direction its birth. His reply has intensified 115, there is nothing else. Both the our doubts, instead of clearing statements are before the House, them. SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: Some of MR. SPEAKER: If any regular us in the House feel perturbed that motion comes in writing, I will con there are so many lacunae which sider it on its merits. You cannot are not explained. That is why we move a motion spontaneously with suggest that the Comptroller and out giving notice. Auditor General may look into it. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I will give it in writing in five minutes. MR. SPEAKER: I have no power MR. SPEAKER: I will have to under Direction No. 115 to do it. study it. MR. R. S. PANDEY (Rajnand- SHRI PILOO MODY: You allow gaon): You have got the power with all these things according to the the consent of the House. procedure. We also want to function according to the procedure. The pro SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: You may cedure lays down that somebody can have the power under Direction No. ask some questions and thereafter it 115 but there are so many other is for the Government to reply to rules. those questions. If the replies do not meet the questions that have been SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra): I asked, who will protect us and help move that the matter be referred to us to get the correct replies? Unless the PAC. you tell the minister that this is what the hon. member asked for and MR. SPEAKER: It is not like that. he has not replied specifically to You cannnot. just get up and say this or that point, unless you can re that you move, unless I allow it. gulate it, there is nobody to help SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: If Mr. us. Stephen can move a privilege motion MR. SPEAKER: T am not sitting suo motu and it can be included in as a judge to decide whether Mr. the List of Business, when it is a Mishra is right or the minister is question of squandering away of right. I have allowed it under a spe people’s money, why not allow this? cific direction. We would not allow this Hou^e to SHRI PILOO MODY: It is not a function unless you safeguard the question of being right or wrong. people’s interest. . . . It is a matter of the question being MR. SPEAKER: If this House is answered. He has asked a specific purely at the mercy of one gentle questions. He asked, the market man to function, God help. value was so-and-so and you got it at Rs. 30 more. What is the expla SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: nation? He gave on the previous oc My only submission to you is to give casion some cock-and-bull reasons, us guidance. . . which we have disapproved. Now he MR. SPEAKER: I allowed this has no answer. Let him say “I have under Direction 115. You stated your no answer”. facts and the Minister stated his MR. SPEAKER: If the answer to facta. There is nothing else men a question is not correct, the Mem tioned in the Direction ber can bring it up under rule 115. Then the Minister replies. Even SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Aris after that reply if the Member is not ing out of what has been said. . . . satisfied, then what is the next step? MR. SPEAKER: You can give it At least. I have not been able to in wWting: lay my hands on it. i t Statements SEPTEMBER 4,1972 Under Direction 115 46 SHRI PILOO MODY: You must MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Your use your discretion, because the given in writing a motion. Minister has not replied at all to the question raised. • MR. SPEAKER: I have to study it before I give my ruling on that. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: «ft fro w* w q m : srnr *rftr- The basic question is whether the Lok Sabha is going to exercise *rr for 11 m * aft *? $ # financial control over the transaction. 3T5r tsif, eft m ®r«r MR. SPEAKER: We have to be rea ? sonable. If you are not satisfied with the reply under rule 115. you have «ft t t *t srgnr Chairman of the Food Corporation of (1) The lunch will be buffet-cum- India has been trying in one way or sitting at the rate of Rs. 30 per the other to whitewash his own image, head”. which is something fantastic. This Government, particularly the Food If he had only brought them here or Ministry. (I do not know whether I come here himself and fed them with am addressing Shri Annasaheb Shinde the sandwiches that we eat day after or Shri F A Ahmed)—but I cannot un day here, he could have fed the whole derstand it—have permitted the chair Lok Sabha for that amount of money, man of the Food Corporation of India namely Rs. 30 per head; and the head to continue in office for the last so of every journalist must be certainly many weeks in spite of the fact that very very valuable to be fed with all this has come in the papers and it Rs. 30 worth of Food. But this does not has been exposed here, and the include what it has to be washed down Speaker of the Lok Sabha himself with thereafter. Then, the letter goes wrote to me to say that there had on to say: been ten questions answered here in “The hall will be decorated with this House, let alone as many as may pots, plants and flowers. have been answered in the Rajya Liquors, cigars and cigarettes Sabha, and he has been allowed to will be required to be served. whitewash his own image by going Only cashewnuts and wafers around to the press and printing ar will be served with the drinks. ticles in newspapers going through a Sales tax at 5 per cent, ser long list of every correspondent and vice tax at 10 per cent; and every editor of the paper. All this at Permit L 22 is being obtained”. whose expense? SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia 16 hrs. mond Harbour): Yours and mine. Now, in order to entertain these SHRI PILOO MODY: At whose journalists, for whom all of a sudden expense? I have here a letter that has he has discovered great liking, he been written, calling a press con has had (a) to ask for permission ference at the Akbar Hotel. I think it from some authority of the Govern is too funny not to read, and with ment of India or other that he be per your permission, I shall read it. It is mitted to serve liquor. I do not know addressed to the Manager, Food and why it is necessary to ask Government Beverages, and it says whether you should or you should not he permitted to serve liquor. But this ‘‘The Chairman of the Food Cor is the sort of police-controlled state poration of India is arrang we erp living in, and even the Chair ing a press conference on 20th man oi the Food Corporation of India September, 1972 and is hosting has to comply with it. The only a cocktail lunch.”. tragedy is that when he applies, he gets a permit and when I apply, I What is a cocktail lunch? You either don’t. have a lunch party or you have a cocktail party, but what is this cock Then he has to apply to another tail lunch? Is he trving to give to authority to get special permission to these poor journalists a three-in-one, increase the number of guests from all in the middle of the dav? Then, it the statutory minimum of 50.1 do not says: know that there was a statutory mini mum of 50. But naturally, when the “The number of participants will Food Corporation of India with its be from 45 to 50, 75 per cent budget of Rs. 2,000 crores has to enter non-vegetarian, 25 per cent tain, it cannot possibly entertain vegetarian, with slight varia less than 50 people; it has to entertain tion on either side. The arran more. So special permission was also gements for the lunch party given to the Food Corporation of India may please be made on the to hold this great press conference at following terms and condi which the Chairman of the Food Cor tions:— poration was going to whitewash his 99 Working of SEPTEMBER 4,1972 $ C l KD%$.) im [Shri Piloo Mody] takes a rake-off on each and every image by telling pressmen that he has operation of the Food Corporation of been very innocent, he has been India. I have so many facts to dis accepting only one rupee as regular close that even if I were to continue salary for the whole year. Whereas until. 6 o' clock I would not be able the free house that goes with his one to go through them all rupee costs Government and the Food In one of these interviews that was Corporation, along with furniture and given to the Evening News, in which ancillaries, Rs. 44,000 a month. That is a most fascinating and handsome the rent, that Shri Shinde or Shri photograph of the Chairman was pub Fakhruddin Ahmed—X do not know lished, he says that because I wanted who has been paying on behalf of to eradicate corruption and because I Sardar Iqbal Singh for the privilege wanted to streamline the organisation, of having given him a salary of only I have to move people around and this one rupee a year. has created a great deal of resent I would very much like to know—I ment’. am sorry that I am a little late because Sir, it if a fact. He certainly moved previously the income-tax officers a great many people around, but in were also listening to the proceedings what direction? In the direction of —whether Sardar Iqbal Singh pays tax centralising of commercial transac on this house rent that he is receiving tions under the Chairman, himself. because according to the law, as I un This is one singular reform that has derstand it, he is supposed to. I would been carried out in the last year or lecommend to Shri Shinde that he two' this centralisation of commercial finds out a little more about it. That is transactions dealing with the Food as far as the house goes. Corporation of India, all tenders, all Most of us get a permit from the Lok sales, all purchases under the Chair Sabha to buy a Fiat or a Hindustan. man himself, and thereby I think he The Food Corporation of India has so has really performed a masterpiece many of its state transport cars, staff of centralising corruption. cars as they are called, and yet the Now, if anybody is interested in eli Chairman can only go about in a minating corruption from the Food luxury taxi, and an air-conditioned Corporation of India he can leave all luxury taxi at that. And he makes-— the other departments alone and con God knows why—50 trips to Fazilka centrate only on the commercial de alone T do not know what is there in partment centralised under the Chair Fazilka except perhaps that they have man of the Food Corporation. a small depot of the Food Corporation over there. Sir, just to give a little flavour and a taste of some of these deals, they SHRI P K DEO (Kalahandi): That really are— is his home town. MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Mody, it is a SHRI PILOO MODY: He has been one-hour debate. I hope you will keep making—God knows why—many trips the time in mind. to Bombay. I do not know why Bom bay. because there seems to be no SHRI PILOO MODY: I know it w a over abundance of food in Bombay, one-hour debate. I will take as much and therefore why an over-abundance time as necessary and the rest of them of trips on the part of the Chairman. will take the balance. MR. CHAIRMAN: That will not be Now, the pointed facts are that in fair on your part. every conceivable deal, dealing with everv conceivable commoditv whether Shri PILOO MODY: Take the ques it is buying, whether it is selling, whe tion of mustard oil Three unknown, ther it is under-selling, whether it is unregistered people were allowed to under-buying, whether it is a commis submit tenders for a quality of mus sion, whether it is transport, whether tard oil which does not exist; Agmark it is accommodation, whether it is any III. they call it. The market knows thing connected with money, there has about Agmark I and Agmark U, but been a systemised working which a this tender was Agmark HI, and the 101 Working of BHADRA 13,1894 F.CJ.(Dis.) 102 Under was for Rs. 10 more than the is R^. 20. No more for crates. But it market price of this. I do not know was given for Rs. 21 to some? syste- how many thousands of tonnes were nous fellow from Punjab who turns bought in this manner, of an unknown up m Uttar Pradesh and opens up a grade of mustard oil. shop over there. Just to go through there notes makes my heart bleed AN HON. MEMBER: 70,000 tonnes. Then, 50,000 tonnes of maize were sold to starch manufacturers when SHRI PILOO MODY: Thank you. the prevalent price in the market was Take sugar. It is the same thing. Take Rs. 65—68. it was sold to Messrs. Anil the movement. I must tell you about Starch and Bharat Starch chemicals this movement: in the name of the for something like Rs. 63.99. All of us emergency, in the name of Bangladesh, have b?en trying to bring prices down m the name of refugees and in the but I do not think this is the place to name of war, the Food Corporation start bringing the price down. Let us rushed to Assam and other destina start providing food cheaply to all tions in Assam thousands and manner of people who leally need thousands .of tonnes of foodgrains it in drought and famine affected which were not demanded from them, areas, and not to starch companies which were not requested by them, wherever they may be located. and this entire operation was entrus There is centralisation of tender ted to Messrs Malout Transport Co. I enquiries and opening global tenders do not know what this Malout means in which all manner of fiddling goes It must be some sort of composite. on by allowing some tenders to be (Interruptions) The funy thing opened earlier and others being about this it takes actually only about allowed to submit their tenders later, Rs. 12 a bag to transport this grain so that juggling of one sort or another from here to there. Nevertheless, can go on. Rs. 48, four times the commercial price of it was paid. Four times the In addition to that, sales offices have amount: a fantastic amount. Mr. been opened all over the country. I do Fakhruddm Ahmed, I do not know not know what these sales offices do where you are going, but this is pri and each sales office, I am told, costs marily addressed to you. Four times Rs. 30 —40,000 It is amazing that some the price was being paid. The thing like 30—40 girls have been emp rules are that when a transhipment loyed for the purpose of running these takes place, the transport costs are to salo.s offices. Is it 300 or 400 girls? The be paid at the other end. That means Minister can clarify in his reply—7n- that they were paid by the Food Cor terrnvtions.) The present requirement poration in Gauhati, and these have is of 520. to be by cross and order cheques ac cording to the regulations. It just so SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola): happened that these cross and order This is very cheap. cheques issued by Gauhati could be SHRI PILOO MODY: He has finally cashed at the Food Corporation of understood it. So many things have India’s headquarters at Kanpur and een happening. Promotions have been turned into bearer cheques. So, these given to officers with retrospective cross and order cheques will fill the effect, not once but twice. I do not requirements. Thereafter, Kanpur want to carry on. Tn one word there is obliged and turned them into bearer no conceivable activity in the cheques. It just happened, and it is Food Corporation of India in which quite possible in India, that at least the fullest use or exploitation has not 20 drivers are called Iqbal Singh. been made for the purpose of draining (Interruptions) At least 20 drivers that organisation of its vitality and are called Iqbal Singh, and cashed efficacy. those cheques and all in different handwritings. Here is a very important thing about shelling of paddy. The current rate Then there is the question of was 81 paise per quintal; the rate wooden crates. The ceiling for crates allowed was Rs. 2.25 paise per quintal. Working of SEPTEMBER 4,1972 F, 0 . 1. (Z>».) 104 [Shri Piloo Modiy] is going to pay that Rs. 4,000 and The current rate in Haryana is 61 whether any refund will be Avail paise per quintal. . . . ( Interruptions) able. QTR. What does it mean? It is for shel AN HON. MEMBER: Mr. Mody is ling. It is in the shelling that you going to pay it. make the difference. SHRI PILOO MODY: I would be On the other hand, the Gujarat certainly happy to pay, because after Government requested the Food Cor all, people who make Rs. 6 crores poration of India to release some food- in one year, and make all others grains so that they could bring down look like amateurs, will not mind the price by distributing them through getting Rs. 4,000 from a poor man fair price shops and this is the quota like me. I would be happy to donate tion that the Gujarat Government that, so that you cfan live just a were given: for gram Rs. 141.41 where little better. as the open market rate was Rs. 125— Rs. 138. The supply by the Food Cor I believe that people who perform important tasks in the running of poration of India to other dealers in this country—and the Chairman of the States was at Rs. 80—130. In other Food Corporation of India is cer words the Gujarat Government must tainly performing a very important be made to make up the differences task—should be given all the com that have been accruing on other deals forts that are necessary and com Gram dal—Rs. 157 quoted to the Guja mensurate with the performance. rat Government, open market price But there is a limit to the amount was Rs. 143—150; sold to traders of the of money that can be taken away in Food Corporaton of India Rs. 118—143. this particular fashion. Therefore, I Mung Dal price quoted to the Gujarat appeal to you to lay bare the facts Government Rs. 251.62, open market that you have discovered. I know price Rs. 193—230. Sold by the FCI to you have discovered some facts from other dealers Rs. 205. Yet, they wanted the CBI enquiry you have conducted, Rs. 250 from the Gujarat Government. from whom you have received a re port. I would like to know from the In Orissa, in Balasore district. . . Food Ministry and the Government MR. CHAIRMAN: You have taken of India why to this date Sardar twenty minutes; please conclude. Iqbal Singh has not been removed from the post that he occupies as SHRI PILOO MODY: I shall take Chairman of the Food Corporation another five minutes; may be less. of India, because I have it in my knowledge that he has already Paddy is bought from the farmers started tampering with the records over there at something like Rs. 50—55 in order to do whatever he can to and thereafter resold at Rs. 125. How white-wash himself. can we possibly ever get grains which are absolutely basic for survival at SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHA- anything like the prices at which they PATRA (Balasore): Sir, Mr. Mody should be available? in his speech has referred to a gala cocktail party thrown in honour of In conclusion, I would like to the journalists. From my experience point out that while Mr. Iqbal Singh as public relations chief of a public had called a press conference at undertaking, I can say that probably the Akbar Hotel to white-wash his that was the best treatment to be own image, the Food Corporation meted out to the members of the had paid an advance of Rs. 4,000 to fourth estate, because they are very the Akbar Hotel to cover the cost. dignified persons and it is the cus Unfortunately, the conference never tom in every public undertaking. If took place, because the workers rea we want to question it, we must ched there before the Chairman and question the entertainment guest the Chairman thereafter was too item which all public undertakings afraid to go to the hotel, with the re have, under which thev spend lakhs sult that the press conference never of rupees every year. Food Corpora took place. I would like to know, who tion is no exception to this. 105 Working of BHADRA 13,1892 (SAKA) F. 0. L (Dus.) 106 The Food Corporation was created Food Corporation, passed this resolu in 1964 when in the country there tion in April at their Bangalore was economic instability. Government session, and we cannot close our wanted to arrest prices and create eyes certainly to this aspect. buffer stocks to help the people. But it has happened that there is no buffer I have come to know that only m stock for three years, which is the the last week of June 2,000 tonnes cardinal aim of the Food Corporation. of wheat had to be carried from one Whatever stock they have for the port of India to Assam by air. I asked present year, the officers show it as one airline official what would be buffer stock. I may be wrong, but the expenditure incurred and he said these facts I have collected from the ‘‘more than one crore of rupees”. I employees’ association and the rival want to know who is responsible for employees’ association also. They are this, the Chairman, the Managing very particular about it. I am not Director or any other official. If there going to pinpoint the arguments or is any inquiry by the CBI, or any counter-arguments on Mr. Iqbal other inquiry, it should not be limit Smgh. In fact, I wanted to locate him ed to the affairs of the Chairman but because I wanted to clarify some of should cover the entire irachmery, the points I looked at every turban a machinery which has been corrupt and every beard, but I could not for the last so many years. Whatever find him mav be the status of the Managing Director, ICS or IAS, whatever may, be the status of the Purchase Officer I want to place before the House of the FCI, every deal entered into one fact “Gunny bags scandal’ Thy by these people should be inquired name is FCI' ” There is enough scan into. dal involved in it. The Food Corpo ration gives free gurmv bags to mil- Today one employee came and lears, traders and businessmen. The told me that a contractor who is cost of each gunny bag is Rs. 3.50 and building a house for the FCI is also it goes to the black market. building a house for a big officer of the FCI The FCI purchase gunny bags SHRI S A KADER (Bombay Cen worth Rs. 25 crores to 31 crores. Here tral South)* Who is responsible for is a resolution of the employees' this’ association which says that the gun ny bags are sold not only in India SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHA- but also outside India whore a gun PATRA. The responsibility lies on ny bag costs Rs 7. The resolution the government which is giving place says: to people who are corrupt. I have no doubt that both Shri F. A Ahmed There is scope to believe that and Shri Shinde very experienced under the table heavy deals and dynamic as thev are, will cer continued to be made at high tainly go into the affairs and leave levels while ships are shift no stone unturned to find out corrup ed from one port to another tion, wherever it exists, and root it causing bunching of ships in out. some ports while some go without anv work, thus mak As far as Wallace Floor Mills and ing the whole game of collu Anil Starch are concerned, the pur sion with contractor’s agents, chases were as follows: stevedores and middlemen 1968 . 30.000 tonnes of maize The shippers get scope to 1969 25000 smuggle out of the country 1970 . . 20.000 gunny bags and sell them 1971 25.000 there at double the price 1972 50,000 quoted here.” All these years it has been done on The employees’ association, which negotiated tender Probably only this represent 20,000 employees of the years it has been stopped. What do 107 Working of SEPTEMBER 4,1972 F. C. L (D,*.) [Shri Shyam Sunder Moha-putra] will never excuse those people who you mean by negotiated tender? Pro are manning today the It CL bably there wag no advertisement in The FCI has 40,000 employees. the lowest tender was not accepted, There are direct recruits, Central probably there was no advertisement Food Ministry transferees, State in the newspapers in India or perhaps Government deputationists, depvita- the sanctity of the tender was vio tionists turned abso.bees, State cadre lated. Wherever there is negotiation, officers, members of the All India there is likelihood of corruption. The services, pay and accounts office em hon. Minister must go into it. ployees and employees of the private I have come to know that Messrs. sector. H. K. Dave & Company got a It is an organisation of so many transport and stevedoring contract in people and that is why there is no Gujarat. Junior officers were sent division oI responsibility and there because if the senior officers were is division of ailegience also. The sent they would have certainly Chairman has withdrawn recognition found out the irregularities. The of one Association which represents FCI could not find any alternative 15,COO employees, A few dissidents agent. So, the same party was again have now come out and they are entrusted with the agency system blaming the Chairman. I understand, for transport of goodgrains from these people were henchmen of the Kandla to Ahmedabad, Bhavanagar Chairman. Suddenly they staged a to Ahmedabad and Jamnagar to Ah dharna before the Prime Minister. medabad. I hope this will be gone They are now going round saying. into. “That is what; that is what.” If the Chairman or the Managing Director There is another form of corrup does not talk across the table with tion and that is the moisture in the the employees, how can they solve grain. Whenever wheat is supplied the matter? The matter now is that to the nailers 15 per cent 'is the immediate recognition should be moisture gain allowed to the millers. given to that Association and they But what about wheat that comes should sit across the table. from dry areas? It is only five per cent there. But ten per cent was al Now, the position is that the em lowed which amounts to more than ployees have made the matter worse Rs. 25 crores. which has gone to the confounded. The employees are now coffers of the corrupt officials of going from door to door telling the the FCI. people about corruption. The em ployees come to Members’ houses; I come from Orissa. I pass through they go to press; they go everywhere Calcutta Railway station. When I saying, there is corruption. I want was passing through Calcutta once, to say one thing. Within 11 month, one FCI officer told me that there Mr. Iqbal Singh has not eaten the is a scandal in the railway siding at entire money of F.C.I. It is a chain Rarrakrishnapur. When 1 asked him reaction starting from the very beg the details he said that instead of inning of F.C.I. If Mr. Iqbal Singh delivering the food supplies from the is found guilty, such a lesson be FCI depots after proper weighment, given that no Chairman of any pub the FCI allowed the millers to go lic sector undertaking in his life-time and take delivery ex godown. That will ever commit this mistake. nrnns that there was no FCI officer when the weight wap tak^n nnd it Sir, I come from Ballasore district was left entirely to the millers and of Orissa. Last time, when I went to the Hrarines*! communitv Now they Orissa, I found in the paper that are demanding more. FCI says the foodstuffs worth about Rs 33 lakhs weight is so much while the millers had vanished from FCI godowns and say the weicht is something else. So, other godowns. I was surprised. Balla- there is corruption to the tune of sore district is in perpetual poverty. Rs. 70 lakhs. We have to bow our The peop^ are dying without food. head«? in shame that through this There was cyclone; there was flood public corporation Rs. 16 crores has and there was drought. Now, after gone down the gutters and history inquiring into two godowns, they 109 WorTdng of BHADRA 13,1894 (&AKA) F. C. /. (D>s.) 110 found foodstuffs worth R$. 7 lakhs I do not know what is the reason. had gone away. I would like to Whenever we get some material of give you some figures. A. B. Rice this nature, that is always on outcome Milte-foodstufts worth Es. 2,34,000; of internal feud I do not know about D. €. Industries Rs 5,25,000; Mahavir that. Rice Mills—Rs. 5,13,000; Raghupati Rice Mills—Rs 2,64,000; D. C. Khan- Rut I want to ask this Mr. Iqbal delwal—Rs. 62,250; Gopmath Swam— Smgh, our former colleague in the Rs. 1,00,000; Bharat Commercial Co.— House, a pleasant man to talk to, Rs. 1,62,000; etc. etc. well-mannered and polite, I have a feehng that ho has overdone his job— This is a catalogue of details I have the High Command’s atmroval of de got according to which foodstuffs positing 12 anas out of a rupee that worth Rs. 3D lakhs have vanished. was coilccted for socialist purposes; How can the foodstuffs vanish? The perhaps he exceeded it by some foodstuffs do not have their hands thing, and then the trouble started. and legs to walk from Orissa to some Congress starts with the letter ‘C’ other zone. and corruptu/n also starts with the letter ‘C’ Congress stands for corrup One Assistant Manager in FCI in tion (Interruptions) There is no Baliasore district superannuated in last June Orissa Government did not doubt about it The FCI Chairman want to extend the period of his mav be a smaU fry I will deal with service. Someone higher-up came the fountain head in a minute. from Onssa and talked to the officers here and re-appomtment was given MR CHAIRMAN: May I request to the same gentleman. On the issue you to take the debate on to a higher of that particular man, his conduct level’ and career, as to what he was doing, we fought two election in 1961 and m SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU- I am 1971 m B^drak constituency. The man trving to go to the head of the became himself a symbol of corrup fountain Why should I dwell on the tion m our State This is the tvpe bottom of the fountain where poor ol goings m in the FC I The tran Iobal Swish lives’ I am talking about who was not given extension by the ton of the fountain-head of all Orissa Govrenment lias been re-ap- corruotion m the country This FCT pomted by FCI. Who is responsible scandal mav surprise mnnv, but not for that7 the oeode who ate in the know of things How Mr Gokhale after get I submit there should be a thorough ting clearance from the Prime Minis probe into the workings of FCI Let ter’*; secretariat, could Hiv Balrrer us not hold guiltv only one man Let Lawrie & To. naving an excess us know how many persons are in amount of Rs 67 lakhs— a sinking volved in it and let us root out cor companv* (Jvfpmirttfon&'i T am fust ruption once and for all. saving that corruption is widespread. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia Tn this well edited Economic and mond Harbour): Sir, I want a ruling Political Weekly, it is said very on one Item that in the last few nicelv: days, we have been facing vigorous lobbying in the Central Hall originat “To get rid of excess stocks the ing from a Chairman of the public Corporation . ” The Food Corpora sector corporation—may be, he is an tion cf India ex-MP or an ex-Minister. I want to know from you how fair it is and “ . . the Corporation, some time why the public sector corooration around 1970 hit upon the Chairman takes advantage of his op brilliant idea of organising portunity to enter the Central Hall open market sales The and go on lobbying in favour or modus onerandl to beat all, against. What surprised me most is it thought, was to organise that Ministers even nhoned me. one auctions in mandis and sell sector wanting to give masala in wheat and other grains to favour and the other sector against. the highest bidder. I l l Working of SEPTEMBER 4,1972 F.O.l{Di$.) 112 [Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu] ing observations. Storage losses in “The Chairman of the Food Cor creased to Rs. 21.96 crores upto 1971- poration went on record as 72. Loss of foodgrains in transit goes late as July that, given the up from Rs. 95 lakhs in 1965-66 to size of the stocks he was Rs. 7.80 crores in 1970-71. Subsidy holding, famines and droughts from the Government for storage ana were things of the past. If other facilities—Rs. 69.98 crores. Out prices would not behave, he standings from State Governments— would immediately enforce Rs. 49.42 crores. Outstandings have discipline by organising big risen from Rs. 33.60 lakhs in 1967 to ger and better open market 67.90 crores. That is the position with sales of grains. The Chairman regard to this Food Corporation of had been true to his word." India. Mr. Piloo Mody ana the friend opposite, Mr. Mohapatra—next time What I am trying to say is that it he would not be given a ticket, I is a part of the big net, the big policy, suppose—have dealt with it very the decisions to benefit a particular well. Now, I quote some more class and thereby get benefit to fur figures. . . ther their political cause. This man— the whole thing—-has suddenly come MR. CHAIRMAN; Please do not out! He was one in hundreds. That attack your comrades. is all that I want to say. I have stat ed many times here about Tulsian of Karnatak Corporation, the wool SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Now, combers, B. K. Shaw of jeep scandal, infructuous expenditure is 25 per R. P. Goenka, Bansilal and so many cent—of the nation’s money which other things. could be utilised for development plans~it Is all public money—it comes This Food Corporation Act is to Rs. 25 crores every year .By way another ambiguous piece of docu of gunny bags each worth Rs. 3 and ment in order to grant political pat the flour mill owners who are mak ronage of different types There are ing hay while the sun shines and discriminations between Chairman. they are the greater beneficiaries. If he is whole time, then he will be These gunny bags are re-exported to enjoying a particular thing; if he is Singapore and other places. They part time, he will not be entitled to make foreign exchange which is those things. This is how they have preserved there for the purpose of been functioning. We cannot under smuggling gold It is always a stand how Mr. Mohan Kumaraman- transaction and Mr. Fakhruddin Ali galam was a part-time Chairman of Ahmed Saheb will understand these the Indian Airlines Corporation, a things. I hope. This is how you are public sector unit, and here you see encouraging these things. This is what Sardar Iqbal Singh—may he live is happening. Zonal imabalances in long!—becomes a whole-time Chair constructing storage depots, leakage, man. We do not understand this. in national buffer stocks—these are This anomaly must be cleared. We known to all of us. The question is have seen about this Jute Corpora how to make quick money. tion Chairman. The Minister was under pressure from Bengal politi About the Mustard oil, Mr. Piloo cians. The man who has never seen Modv has already said— I do not a jute plant is Chairman of the Jute wish to repeat it—that it is very Corporation We do not want to go strange that one Prasad & Co., order into details. The FCI, as the class suppliers and Annapurna & Co. who character of the Government is, has are not even registered for the pur been the paradise of middle-men. So pose of Sales Tax were given orders also Cotton Corporation, State Trad to purchase on a higher price. He ing Corporation, etc. Poor farmers had plundered the country’s money. are robbed ancf the consumers are From the order file, I have been Able also robbed. The total turn-over in to get a copy of the order and the a year. I am told, is Rs. 1,600 crores. order file where Mr. Iqbal Sflgh says The Public Undertakings Committee about a deal and Mr. J. D. Bacha of this year has given some interest notes: 113 Working of BHADRA 13,1894 {SAKa ) F.C.I. (Dis.) 114 “As desired by the CCM the above I do not know what is the internal information is also given.” fight that is going on, somebody else wanting to replace his chair. I can Then, the Chairman’s PA writes: see a particular section working vigo “With files for discussions with rously saying that he is very bad Chairman.” and another section saying that he is a very good man. We understand After discussion, then he writes: that these have come out because of internal factions, share of the booty. “I discussed this case with the So we want a thorough probe into Chairman. He may now the whole matter. please see for orders on the request of M/s Bharat Starch I have read once about the Sarjoo Factory for reducing the Prasad Commission Report. They said rates at which we have sold that unless the fountain-head and maize to them.” the source of corruption at the high est level is tackled this will be of Then the Chairman notes: no use. “We have sold maize @ 60.21 per Finally, Sir, supporting what Mr. quintal for delivery upto Mahapatra said, I demand that there March, 1972. Since this party must be a thorough probe into the has also sent offer during the whole affair immediately. Is it not a same period, stipulating same fact that Mr. Iqbal Singh* Chairman conditions and delivery, be of the FCI had been doltecting money ing a small scale unit—we for the political party to which he should treat them at par with belongs and he had retained more large scale units in provid than what he had been allowed to ing raw materials. retain? These are very important We may, therefore, give to this points. party at the same rate of Rs. 60.21 with delivery upto March.” t * A fosft wt f t p qrc# v fm This is how he has been riding ^ «rfi f*rr amr rough-shod and he has been doing this job like this. cTCfi *T3ft sft «PT 8*TR feTRT *nf?TT f , ^ ft? tfVo aft® Then about polythene bags deal. This is another scandal. There is t ftrars), wr one Calcutta Commercial Corporation vt ^ tt fa irsm where by manipulations they have been taking orders for polythene bags ITcf m w flfto *rrfo to the tune of Rs, 1.35 crores. I am w , enrnr *t*t i told some people belonging to cer tain political parties had been deeply eft sftr sr wr ffrrr ? wrfin: interested financially and materially In that company and there have been jwwwtO efrft srnr agents serving the party. Here, Sar- «rfWH ft 3TPT fa *RcfT»T g*rr | eft €fa irsr darji is also a party. Wonderful thing. The amount involved is about | farcr t r r ^ ff # *p w f w Rs. 1.35 crores. All this came out due to a factional fight, as I said before and different A lobbies are working. So different hft v wnrerr nfrc things are coming out. We want to know—who said that? I think Napo f a ifcrr ?ff f a tft «rr^r | leon once said *We must remember that the hand that rocks the cradle ?ft gpfa cgftEW rules the world’. 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DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Bedause vrm w> you have not married does it mean 3f?TT cR? OT W fm w *T *T3T?T I 5ff that you speak with less responsibi lity7 ^Erf^TGT t o fw «tt ft? arrow t tfr o t 4«t f , ft?OT, sftrer fPT faw r #• sfiFWCW wtfft: wfar? # srtptT 4 » 5ft fa «rrsr w n w 5ft^??nr^r# i 3 W 3 *r# ?| ?ft«ftt ?rt* * *rr**fta?r4iT «PfcTT | sfl ^ t w vt smrw ?htitt ^rwr 11 The spokesman says that it has gone ssrfcra m ft vn vtf to the Agriculture Mimstiy to seek ^ ft, ^ 3ft ^fr^Rfwr ^TJfrt f^T TOTt approval Can one live (on this honorarium)’ Let the Government reconsider this fff wrr ^mrr ?ft srs&r M H M jiIRNmjw <*. i p n i ssrfaq- aw f t T ft t eft ?mt qr^ff sft «ft ^ w | ^ J,fS7LSS-1010-13·11-72-GIPS