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This Article is brought to you for free and open access by the Tampa Library at Scholar Commons. It has been accepted for inclusion in GENEALIB Archive by an authorized administrator of Scholar Commons. For more information, please contact [email protected]. From LNaukam at libraryweb.org Fri Jan 2 10:17:16 2004 From: LNaukam at libraryweb.org (Naukam, Larry) Date: Fri Jan 2 10:08:58 2004 Subject: [Genealib] RE: Popups/Popunders Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I use a Mac, running OS X; the browser it comes with, Safari, offers a kill-popups option, which I enabled seconds after starting it for the first time.

Haven't seen a pop up in months. From LNaukam at libraryweb.org Fri Jan 2 11:14:45 2004 From: LNaukam at libraryweb.org (Naukam, Larry) Date: Fri Jan 2 11:06:26 2004 Subject: [Genealib] RE: Why "3rd Party" ads on FamSearch & HeritageQuestwebsites? Message-ID: <[email protected]>

It's understandable that they have to advertise somehow, although I have a rule to never under any circumstances use any pop up advertiser. It's bad enough that I already had to change my home email due to spams, and now I get several hundred a day at work.

But they have to advertise products, unless we want to pay for everything. It's kind of like getting ad free television when you subscribe to cable.

Ooops. Wrong statement.

As noted in an earlier email, I use Mac Safari at home and have no trouble with pop ups. At work, it's a nightmare trying to use Internet Exploder with these pages and then having to close 15 or 20 mortgage loan, reunion, and other ads. We are not permitted to use or install anything. From SKirby at boelter-yates.com Fri Jan 2 11:44:49 2004 From: SKirby at boelter-yates.com (Sarah Kirby) Date: Fri Jan 2 12:37:47 2004 Subject: [Genealib] RE: Popup Killers Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Many of the search engine toolbars (e.g. Google's) also include pop-up blockers; and most are designed exclusively for IE. If you can install one on each computer (they're free), I heartily recommend it. Users are able to selectively permit pop-ups, so if they're on a site that uses them for legitimate purposes (like some finance/banking sites), they just click on a button and are home free. If you're a public library, you can post a sign regarding the pop-up software blockers so users are aware of it.

______Sarah A. V. Kirby Corporate Librarian and Research Assistant Boelter & Yates, Inc. [email protected] 847-685-9284

From KSHtrains at aol.com Fri Jan 2 13:16:26 2004 From: KSHtrains at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Fri Jan 2 13:09:30 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Otherdays.com at midwinter ALA Message-ID: <[email protected]>

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The access time for libraries is now Mountain Time 7:30 a.m. to 5:00 P.M. http://www.gencd.com

African Slave Genealogy

Irish Vital Records

Ohio Births

Nevada Marriages - Divorces Utah Data On line 1800s-1992

Territorial Vital Records 1800s -1893

NY, NJ, PA Marriages starting in 1700s. Not the same Pennsylvania data as the item below:

Pennsylvania Marriages

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Tom, In answer to you question, it is possible these ads are being generated by your computer. If the pop-ups are really bad, it is possible that some kind of adware has inadvertently been installed on your computers. We often have trouble with a nasty little program called N-Case Ad-delivery. Imagine, there's actually software out there to increase the number of pop-ups we get! Often this advertising software is bundled with free software programs that are downloaded by unsuspecting patrons.

Here's a little about n-case from their web site:

"n-CASE was developed in order to bring you the best and most relevant offers on the Web, without requiring you to change your searching habits. Rather than forcing you to come to our site when you want to comparison shop, we instead wait in the background and quietly (and anonymously - we never collect any personally identifiable information) watch for the products and services that you are currently searching for on the Web. When you search for a product or service within our comparison-shopping network, we show you that alternative Web site in real-time. The benefits to you, and to your wallet, are profound.

Think of n-CASE like a little agent that sits on your shoulder as you walk around the mall - constantly working on your behalf to bring you comparative offerings for what you are shopping for."

Scary, huh?

Check the program registry on the offending computer for suspicious looking programs. Sometimes these programs can be deleted with the Add/Remove Programs tool in Windows. More often than not, however, they will need to be deleted manually.

See the following link for more information about how to uninstall N-Case: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/adware.ncase.htm l

Kristen Newton Smith Algonquin Area Public Library 2600 Harnish Drive Algonquin, Illinois 60102

-----Original Message----- From: Susan Scouras [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:31 AM To: [email protected]; Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: RE: [Genealib] Why "3rd Party" ads on FamSearch &HeritageQuestwebsites?

We have not had that problem on HeritageQuest, but when we have some of the free genealogy sites up, some days the popups are so bad they lock up our antiquated computers. We have an assortment of controls and security software, but we still have problems periodically. Susan Scouras Librarian West Virginia State Archives and History Library

-----Original Message----- From: Tom Kemp [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:47 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Why "3rd Party" ads on FamSearch & HeritageQuestwebsites?

I have noticed that a relentless number of "3rd Party" ads for Ancestry. com are popping up when we use the Familysearch.org and the HeritageQuest. com sites.

Have all of you been getting these?

Is this being generated by our computers.

Is there a new agreement between the FHL, ProQuest/HeritageQuest Online and Ancestry.com?

Tom

Thomas Jay Kemp Godfrey Memorial Library 134 Newfield Street Middletown, CT 06457-2534

Phone: 860-346-4375 Fax: 860-347-9874 Email: [email protected] Web site: http://www.godfrey.org

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From johnw at biblio.org Fri Jan 2 14:09:05 2004 From: johnw at biblio.org (John Wiehn) Date: Fri Jan 2 14:01:02 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Database suggestions?? Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Hi...

We will be getting some $$ from a local business association this year.... The dollar amount they will give us will be between $400 and $500.

We want to add another Genealogical database for our patrons with this donation.

We already have Heritage Quest and Sanborn Insurance Maps. The $$ won't be enough for Ancestry Plus.

Does anyone have any suggestions of a database that we could get for $500 or so??

We our located in Connecticut.

Would a membership to the New England Historic Genealogy Society and then using NewEnglandAncestors.org be worth looking into??

Thanks.....

John Wiehn Whittemore Library ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040102/8db74a9b/ attachment.htm From TKemp at Godfrey.org Fri Jan 2 14:40:54 2004 From: TKemp at Godfrey.org (Tom Kemp) Date: Fri Jan 2 14:36:12 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Why "3rd Party" ads Message-ID: <[email protected]>

At Friday, 2 January 2004, "Kristen Smith" wrote:

>Tom, > >In answer to you question, it is possible these ads are being generated >by your computer. If the pop-ups are really bad, it is possible that >some kind of adware has inadvertently been installed on your computers. >We often have trouble with a nasty little program called N-Case >Ad-delivery. Imagine, there's actually software out there to increase >the number of pop-ups we get! Often this advertising software is >bundled with free software programs that are downloaded by unsuspecting >patrons. > >Here's a little about n-case from their web site: > >"n-CASE was developed in order to bring you the best and most relevant >offers on the Web, without requiring you to change your searching >habits. Rather than forcing you to come to our site when you want to >comparison shop, we instead wait in the background and quietly (and >anonymously - we never collect any personally identifiable information) >watch for the products and services that you are currently searching for >on the Web. When you search for a product or service within our >comparison-shopping network, we show you that alternative Web site in >real-time. The benefits to you, and to your wallet, are profound. > >Think of n-CASE like a little agent that sits on your shoulder as you >walk around the mall - constantly working on your behalf to bring you >comparative offerings for what you are shopping for." > >Scary, huh? > >Check the program registry on the offending computer for suspicious >looking programs. Sometimes these programs can be deleted with the >Add/Remove Programs tool in Windows. More often than not, however, they >will need to be deleted manually. > >See the following link for more information about how to uninstall >N-Case: > >http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/adware.ncase. htm >l > >Kristen Newton Smith >Algonquin Area Public Library >2600 Harnish Drive >Algonquin, Illinois 60102 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Susan Scouras [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:31 AM >To: [email protected]; Librarians Serving Genealogists >Subject: RE: [Genealib] Why "3rd Party" ads on FamSearch >&HeritageQuestwebsites? > >We have not had that problem on HeritageQuest, but when we have some of >the free genealogy sites up, some days the popups are so bad they lock >up our antiquated computers. We have an assortment of controls and >security software, but we still have problems periodically. >Susan Scouras >Librarian >West Virginia State Archives and History Library > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Kemp [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:47 PM >To: [email protected] >Cc: [email protected] >Subject: [Genealib] Why "3rd Party" ads on FamSearch & >HeritageQuestwebsites? > >I have noticed that a relentless number of "3rd Party" ads for Ancestry.

>com are popping up when we use the Familysearch.org and the >HeritageQuest. >com sites. > >Have all of you been getting these? > >Is this being generated by our computers. > >Is there a new agreement between the FHL, ProQuest/HeritageQuest >Online and Ancestry.com? > >Tom > >Thomas Jay Kemp >Godfrey Memorial Library >134 Newfield Street >Middletown, CT 06457-2534 > >Phone: 860-346-4375 >Fax: 860-347-9874 >Email: [email protected] >Web site: http://www.godfrey.org > >______>genealib mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib >______>genealib mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib >______>genealib mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib >

Kristen. Thank you. You are correct. I found that a program "ClipGennie" had installed itself. See: http://www.pestpatrol.com/PestInfo/c/clipgenie. asp for details. Like you say it is a program that brings alot more popups to your computer. Oddly I have a pop-up blocker, which continues to block pop-ups, but it was not blocking these.

Thanks again!

Tom

Thomas Jay Kemp Godfrey Memorial Library 134 Newfield Street Middletown, CT 06457-2534

Phone: 860-346-4375 Fax: 860-347-9874 Email: [email protected] Web site: http://www.godfrey.org

From mepetersen at dustdevil.com Fri Jan 2 14:14:12 2004 From: mepetersen at dustdevil.com (Marvin and Eudora Petersen) Date: Fri Jan 2 15:07:06 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Publications sale Message-ID: <003701c3d16c$fd798aa0$bb63d840@EudoraOffice>

The Cloud County Genealogical Society of Cloud County, KS has authorized an inventory reduction sale of two of their publications. 1. 1880 U. S.. Census Index of Cloud County, Kansas. Double Indexed with an every name general and by Township. In the Township the individual's sex, age and status as well as the page number of the census record is given. Contains 15, 080 names. Sale price is $15.00 plus $3 shipping. 2. Washington County, KS News Items: a collection of 1920, 1930 and 1940 articles and obituaries taken from the scrapbooks of Minnie Alice Bower Brown who died in 1946. Completely indexed by her granddaughter Delores Raines. Over 2500 names listed. Sale price $5.00 plus $2 shipping.

To reserve a copy of either book e-mail [email protected] The book will be shipped when the society receives a purchase order or payment. Their address is: Cloud County Genealogical Society P.O. Box 202 Concordia, KS 66901-0202 Kansas residents not tax-exempt please indicated your local tax rate and add to the total cost Thank-you

Any questions use the above e-mail address Eudora Petersen, Library liaison Cloud County Genealogical Society ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040102/ f8904c3c/attachment.htm From agometz at rhus.com Fri Jan 2 16:15:10 2004 From: agometz at rhus.com (Anne Gometz) Date: Fri Jan 2 16:07:18 2004 Subject: [Genealib] re: Popups/Popunders: freeware? In-Reply-To: <007801c3cfdb$3725afb0$4ce14b43@YOURB20C2DDB86> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

At 12:18 PM 12/31/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Dear List, >Possibly you might find the free version of PopUp Stopper of use for your >libraries.

Don, I took a look at their page, but didn't find anything about freeware use on "government" (read libraries) computers. Most of the products I've looked at have a free version only for home users. Has anybody found a completely free one for mass library use? I realize we're getting off topic here although I have to admit that 80 per cent of my job these days seems to be dealing with the computers, their users, and the problems the two generate. The first thing we had to do with our new Heritage Quest access was write detailed instructions on how to print the census images from our computers and we still have to go through them with every patron. Perhaps our patrons have less computer sophistication than those in some areas. We get many people who have never used a computer. One guy walked over to a pc, tapped the monitor, grinned and said, "There, now I can say I've touched a computer." Anne Gometz "Mine and mine alone." From capponid at mail.dawson.public.lib.ga.us Fri Jan 2 17:17:28 2004 From: capponid at mail.dawson.public.lib.ga.us (Debra Capponi) Date: Fri Jan 2 17:10:21 2004 Subject: [Genealib] re: Popups/Popunders: freeware? References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <000401c3d17e$35763690$530108a8@RENAMEME>

Just a note regarding instructions for printing HeritageQuest Online images--

They're a bit hidden, but Heritage Quest does supply instructions for printing "the best quality" census images through Adobe. After finding the image that you want to print, click on the "print" button above the upper left corner of the image (above the "download" button). A window will open, with a link at the top: "To learn how to print enlarged census pages, click here." Click on the "click here" link, and Adobe will open a document with instructions on how to get the best quality print, enlarged or otherwise, including screen snapshots that illustrate the steps.

A person who has never touched a computer may find the instructions less than helpful, but I think they're pretty good for casual computer users. I've printed them to refer to.

Debra Capponi Information Specialist Lumpkin County Library 342 Courthouse Hill Dahlonega, GA 30533 706-864-3668, ext. 233 [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Gometz" To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Genealib] re: Popups/Popunders: freeware?

> At 12:18 PM 12/31/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >Dear List, > >Possibly you might find the free version of PopUp Stopper of use for your > >libraries. > > Don, > I took a look at their page, but didn't find anything > about freeware use on "government" (read libraries) computers. > Most of the products I've looked at have a free version > only for home users. Has anybody found a completely free one for mass > library use? > I realize we're getting off topic here although I have to > admit that 80 per cent of my job these days seems to be dealing with the > computers, their users, and the problems the two generate. The first > thing we had to do with our new Heritage Quest access was write detailed > instructions on how to print the census images from our computers and we > still have to go through them with every patron. Perhaps our patrons have > less computer sophistication than those in some areas. We get many people > who have never used a computer. One guy walked over to a pc, tapped the > monitor, grinned and said, "There, now I can say I've touched a computer." > Anne Gometz > "Mine and mine alone." > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib >

From ksmith at aapld.org Fri Jan 2 17:01:30 2004 From: ksmith at aapld.org (Kristen Smith) Date: Fri Jan 2 17:50:18 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Heritage Quest Printing Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Dear List,

Has anyone experienced problems printing out the census images from HQ on 11 X 17 paper? Whenever I attempt it, it doesn't work. Sometimes I get a blank page. Sometimes, I get just a partial print out, usually the first row of the census names. I get great copies following the HQ instructions on 8 1/2 x 11 landscape paper. Has anyone ever tried the 11 x 17. I would appreciate any advice. I'm trying to ascertain if the problem is with our printer or with me. Here's what I'm doing:

Once I find the image I click on download. Next I click on View. Within Adobe Acrobat, I use the graphic select tool to cut out the excess and select what I want to print. Next, I click on the print button within Adobe Acrobat. The print range is set to selected graphic. I go into Properties and change the paper size to 11x17 and click OK. I go into Effects and Select Scale to Fit. I make sure Zoomsmart is showing Print document on 11x17 and click on OK. I go into Basics and choose Landscape and click on OK. I make sure "Shrink oversized images to paper size" and "expand small images to paper size" are checked. I click on OK.

What comes out: A nicely scaled print out of the first three rows and part of the fourth row of questions for the 1910 census.

Has anyone else experienced this? Any advice?

Thanks,

Kristen Smith Algonquin Area Public Library 2600 Harnish Drive Algonquin, Illinois 60102

-----Original Message----- From: Debra Capponi [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:17 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: Re: [Genealib] re: Popups/Popunders: freeware? Just a note regarding instructions for printing HeritageQuest Online images--

A person who has never touched a computer may find the instructions less than helpful, but I think they're pretty good for casual computer users. I've printed them to refer to.

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From JJeffrey at denver.lib.co.us Fri Jan 2 16:45:56 2004 From: JJeffrey at denver.lib.co.us (James Jeffrey) Date: Fri Jan 2 18:39:29 2004 Subject: [Genealib] New England Historical Register free copies Message-ID:

Susan

Do you need NEHGR for Oct 1984, October 1985, October 1986 or all 4 issues of 2002?

James Jeffrey formerly of Barboursville

James K. Jeffrey Collection Specialist in Genealogy Western History and Genealogy Denver Public Library

>>> [email protected] 12/22/03 2:15:18 PM >>> Hello:

Per your posting on Genealib: We could use July 1994, July 1996 and October 1996 to help fill in the gaps in our collection. We can pay shipping costs.

Thank you,

Susan Scouras Librarian West Virginia State Archives and History Library Division of Culture and History The Cultural Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd. East Charleston, WV 25305-0300 (304) 558-0230, Ext. 742 ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From KoryM at email.msn.com Fri Jan 2 16:48:16 2004 From: KoryM at email.msn.com (KoryM) Date: Fri Jan 2 18:41:13 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Favorite Websites Message-ID: <005101c3d18a$e5a51840$401cfea9@totally>

Happy New Year to my favorite librarians! It's that time again to survey genealogical librarians regarding their favorite web sites for genealogical research. This time, I have been asked to prepare an article about these favorite sites, along with this survey, for "Genealogical Computing" magazine. The article will give me a great opportunity to promote the knowledge and experience of genealogical librarians. I am also hoping it will help researchers understand and use genealogical libraries better, so I am asking for an excellent response to this request.

Due to the deadline for the article, I need to have your nominations to my In-box by 10 January 2004. Send them directly to me at [email protected] with the subject line "Websites." For those who want to see last April's top 13 sites, (mis-identified as October 2002), go to http://www.progenealogists.com/genealogysites.htm

Once again, thanks so much for your prompt and considered reply. I really hope to use this opportunity to promote the relatively small field of genealogical librarianship, so if your library has a particularly good page of genealogical links, send that along as well.

With best wishes for the New Year,

Kory L. Meyerink, MLIS, AG

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Please send a copy of your article to me privately or to this list. Some of us don't take Genealogical Computing. Thanks!

Ceya Minder Historian/Genealogist [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: KoryM To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: [Genealib] Favorite Websites

With best wishes for the New Year,

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----- Original Message ----- From: ceya To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Genealib] Favorite Websites

Please send a copy of your article to me privately or to this list. Some of us don't take Genealogical Computing. Thanks!

Ceya Minder Historian/Genealogist [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: KoryM To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: [Genealib] Favorite Websites

Due to the deadline for the article, I need to have your nominations to my In- box by 10 January 2004. Send them directly to me at [email protected] with the subject line "Websites." For those who want to see last April's top 13 sites, (mis-identified as October 2002), go to http://www.progenealogists.com/genealogysites.htm

With best wishes for the New Year,

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If possible, I would also like a copy. Thanks, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: ceya To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Genealib] Favorite Websites

----- Original Message ----- From: ceya To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Genealib] Favorite Websites

Please send a copy of your article to me privately or to this list. Some of us don't take Genealogical Computing. Thanks!

Ceya Minder Historian/Genealogist [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: KoryM To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: [Genealib] Favorite Websites Happy New Year to my favorite librarians! It's that time again to survey genealogical librarians regarding their favorite web sites for genealogical research. This time, I have been asked to prepare an article about these favorite sites, along with this survey, for "Genealogical Computing" magazine. The article will give me a great opportunity to promote the knowledge and experience of genealogical librarians. I am also hoping it will help researchers understand and use genealogical libraries better, so I am asking for an excellent response to this request.

With best wishes for the New Year,

Kory L. Meyerink, MLIS, AG

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I'm enjoying a new site I have found. It's called Genealogyblog.com. I use HeritageQuest quite extensively. AncestryPlus fills in the gaps of HeritageQuest. USGenWeb helps with the county information. I use Cyndislist for any of the odd research that I don't know where to start. I try to peruse SomosPrimos.com for Hispanic Research.

(We're trying to increase our collection and understanding of the Hispanic Research.)

I always enjoy this list outcome each year.

Cheryl Smith

Public Services Librarian Senior

Harrington Library

1501 18th St.

Plano, TX 75074

972-941-7175

-----Original Message----- From: KoryM [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Favorite Websites

With best wishes for the New Year,

Kory L. Meyerink, MLIS, AG

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Of course, I think a membership in NEHGS for your library will be a bargain at $150. (Maybe I'm biased?) You'll even have some funds left over to use on other databases. If you haven't had a chance to review the databases available on NewEnglandAncestors.org, please visit us at: http://www.newenglandancestors.org/research/database/Default.asp

Your patrons will be able to access data for a significant number of New England families not found elsewhere on the Web.

If you have any questions, please get in touch!

Laura Laura G. Prescott Membership Campaign Director New England Historic Genealogical Society

508-877-5750 x302 508-788-9500 fax PO Box 5089, Framingham, MA 01701

Visit NEHGS online at NewEnglandAncestors.org

-----Original Message----- From: John Wiehn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Database suggestions??

Hi...

We will be getting some $$ from a local business association this year....

The dollar amount they will give us will be between $400 and $500.

We want to add another Genealogical database for our patrons with this donation.

We already have Heritage Quest and Sanborn Insurance Maps. The $$ won't be enough for Ancestry Plus.

Does anyone have any suggestions of a database that we could get for $500 or so??

We our located in Connecticut.

Would a membership to the New England Historic Genealogy Society and then using NewEnglandAncestors.org be worth looking into??

Thanks.....

John Wiehn Whittemore Library ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040105/9f12e985/ attachment.htm From Lwest at GPTX.org Mon Jan 5 09:18:46 2004 From: Lwest at GPTX.org (Leah West) Date: Mon Jan 5 10:11:38 2004 Subject: [Genealib] RE: popups Message-ID:

Speaking of unwanted mail, since I joined the list I have experienced an onslaught of email advertising everything from Viagra to ebay. Have any of you experienced this problem?

Leah O. West Library Services Manager Grand Prairie Public Library System 901 Conover Drive Grand Prairie, TX 75051 972/ 237-5721 972/ 237-5750 Fax [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: genealib Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2

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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:17:16 -0500 From: "Naukam, Larry" Subject: [Genealib] RE: Popups/Popunders To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I use a Mac, running OS X; the browser it comes with, Safari, offers a kill-popups option, which I enabled seconds after starting it for the first time.

Haven't seen a pop up in months.

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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:14:45 -0500 From: "Naukam, Larry" Subject: [Genealib] RE: Why "3rd Party" ads on FamSearch & HeritageQuestwebsites? To: , "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's understandable that they have to advertise somehow, although I have a rule to never under any circumstances use any pop up advertiser. It's bad enough that I already had to change my home email due to spams, and now I get several hundred a day at work.

But they have to advertise products, unless we want to pay for everything. It's kind of like getting ad free television when you subscribe to cable.

Ooops. Wrong statement.

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End of genealib Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 ************************************** From Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org Mon Jan 5 10:51:18 2004 From: Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org (Susan Scouras) Date: Mon Jan 5 10:44:11 2004 Subject: [Genealib] RE: popups Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I doubt if joining this list was the trigger. I signed up less than a month ago and have not seen any appreciable difference in the amount of junk mail. I was already being deluged. All of our staff receives about the same level of spam, regardless of which or how many mailing lists they participate in, or which Web sites they use on a regular basis.

Susan Scouras Librarian WV Archives and History Library Charleston, WV

-----Original Message----- From: Leah West [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] RE: popups

Speaking of unwanted mail, since I joined the list I have experienced an onslaught of email advertising everything from Viagra to ebay. Have any of you experienced this problem?

Leah O. West Library Services Manager Grand Prairie Public Library System 901 Conover Drive Grand Prairie, TX 75051 972/ 237-5721 972/ 237-5750 Fax [email protected]

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I use a Mac, running OS X; the browser it comes with, Safari, offers a kill-popups option, which I enabled seconds after starting it for the first time.

Haven't seen a pop up in months.

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But they have to advertise products, unless we want to pay for everything. It's kind of like getting ad free television when you subscribe to cable.

Ooops. Wrong statement.

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End of genealib Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 ************************************** ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From MGROSSINI at cs.com Mon Jan 5 10:59:30 2004 From: MGROSSINI at cs.com ([email protected]) Date: Mon Jan 5 10:52:28 2004 Subject: [Genealib] RE: popups Message-ID:

In a message dated 1/5/04 7:19:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

> Speaking of unwanted mail, since I joined the list I have experienced an > onslaught of email advertising everything from Viagra to ebay. Have any > of you experienced this problem?

I have been on this list for over a year and have just started getting a ton of spam every day. In my opinion, it has nothing to do with this list. Just a coincidence. Good luck with it. Marge Rossini From Patricia.VanSkaik at cincinnatilibrary.org Mon Jan 5 11:08:45 2004 From: Patricia.VanSkaik at cincinnatilibrary.org (Van Skaik, Patricia) Date: Mon Jan 5 11:13:55 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Database suggestions?? Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Laura, I'm glad to be reminded of this. I hope to wrangle a few dollars to pay for this. Unfortunately, someone else in our organization controls the database purse strings, but I think I can persuade them. Pat p.s. I still love my Mac and my husband just got the laptop. Pat

-----Original Message----- From: Prescott, Laura [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:17 AM To: 'Librarians Serving Genealogists' Subject: RE: [Genealib] Database suggestions??

Your patrons will be able to access data for a significant number of New England families not found elsewhere on the Web.

If you have any questions, please get in touch!

Laura Laura G. Prescott Membership Campaign Director New England Historic Genealogical Society

508-877-5750 x302 508-788-9500 fax PO Box 5089, Framingham, MA 01701

Visit NEHGS online at NewEnglandAncestors.org

-----Original Message----- From: John Wiehn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Database suggestions??

Hi...

We will be getting some $$ from a local business association this year....

The dollar amount they will give us will be between $400 and $500.

We want to add another Genealogical database for our patrons with this donation.

We already have Heritage Quest and Sanborn Insurance Maps. The $$ won't be enough for Ancestry Plus.

Does anyone have any suggestions of a database that we could get for $500 or so??

We our located in Connecticut.

Would a membership to the New England Historic Genealogy Society and then using NewEnglandAncestors.org be worth looking into??

Thanks.....

John Wiehn Whittemore Library

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Sorry All, I thought this was just going back to Laura. Pat

-----Original Message----- From: Van Skaik, Patricia Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:09 AM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: RE: [Genealib] Database suggestions??

-----Original Message----- From: Prescott, Laura [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:17 AM To: 'Librarians Serving Genealogists' Subject: RE: [Genealib] Database suggestions??

Your patrons will be able to access data for a significant number of New England families not found elsewhere on the Web.

If you have any questions, please get in touch!

Laura Laura G. Prescott Membership Campaign Director New England Historic Genealogical Society

508-877-5750 x302 508-788-9500 fax PO Box 5089, Framingham, MA 01701

Visit NEHGS online at NewEnglandAncestors.org

-----Original Message----- From: John Wiehn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Database suggestions??

Hi...

We will be getting some $$ from a local business association this year....

The dollar amount they will give us will be between $400 and $500.

We want to add another Genealogical database for our patrons with this donation.

We already have Heritage Quest and Sanborn Insurance Maps. The $$ won't be enough for Ancestry Plus.

Does anyone have any suggestions of a database that we could get for $500 or so??

We our located in Connecticut.

Would a membership to the New England Historic Genealogy Society and then using NewEnglandAncestors.org be worth looking into??

Thanks.....

John Wiehn Whittemore Library

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Greetings to a Mountaineer who has left us for a different mountain range! We could use all of NEHGR for 2002. We can pay postage if needed.

If anyone else has duplicate or unwanted copies of the New England Historical and Genealogical Register, our other gaps are as follows: Apr, Jul and Oct 1992 All of 1993 Jan, Apr and Oct 1994 Jan, Apr and July 1995 Oct 1996 Oct 1997 Apr, Jul and Oct 2001

We have bound volumes and indexes up through 1991, and stopped our subscription some time ago (due to lack of funds, not lack of interest), but have received donations over the years of scattered quarterly issues or runs of a few years from donated private collections of genealogical materials. Since we have little or no hope of reestablishing our subscription and purchasing back issues to complete/continue our collection, we greatly appreciate the willingness of other libraries to share. I hope we will be able to return the favor some day.

-----Original Message----- From: James Jeffrey [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Genealib] New England Historical Register free copies

Susan

Do you need NEHGR for Oct 1984, October 1985, October 1986 or all 4 issues of 2002?

James Jeffrey formerly of Barboursville

James K. Jeffrey Collection Specialist in Genealogy Western History and Genealogy Denver Public Library

>>> [email protected] 12/22/03 2:15:18 PM >>> Hello:

Per your posting on Genealib: We could use July 1994, July 1996 and October 1996 to help fill in the gaps in our collection. We can pay shipping costs.

Thank you,

Susan Scouras Librarian West Virginia State Archives and History Library Division of Culture and History The Cultural Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd. East Charleston, WV 25305-0300

(304) 558-0230, Ext. 742 ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us Mon Jan 5 11:51:10 2004 From: jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us (Joyce A. McMullin) Date: Mon Jan 5 11:43:23 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Heritage Quest Printing References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Kristen & group: This is what works for me. Download the census image as a .pdf. Open Acrobat set up the print job for 11 x 17 paper. Use the crop tool to "edit out" some of the black border that is included with each image. When you go to print, you might have to play around to get the landscape orientation and to get it to fit the paper size. Joyce

Kristen Smith wrote:

>Dear List, > >Has anyone experienced problems printing out the census images from HQ >on 11 X 17 paper? Whenever I attempt it, it doesn't work. Sometimes I >get a blank page. Sometimes, I get just a partial print out, usually >the first row of the census names. I get great copies following the HQ >instructions on 8 1/2 x 11 landscape paper. Has anyone ever tried the >11 x 17. I would appreciate any advice. I'm trying to ascertain if the >problem is with our printer or with me. Here's what I'm doing: > >Once I find the image I click on download. >Next I click on View. >Within Adobe Acrobat, I use the graphic select tool to cut out the >excess and select what I want to print. >Next, I click on the print button within Adobe Acrobat. >The print range is set to selected graphic. >I go into Properties and change the paper size to 11x17 and click OK. >I go into Effects and Select Scale to Fit. I make sure Zoomsmart is >showing Print document on 11x17 and click on OK. >I go into Basics and choose Landscape and click on OK. >I make sure "Shrink oversized images to paper size" and "expand small >images to paper size" are checked. >I click on OK. > >What comes out: >A nicely scaled print out of the first three rows and part of the fourth >row of questions for the 1910 census. > >Has anyone else experienced this? Any advice? > >Thanks, > >Kristen Smith >Algonquin Area Public Library >2600 Harnish Drive >Algonquin, Illinois 60102 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Debra Capponi [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:17 PM >To: Librarians Serving Genealogists >Subject: Re: [Genealib] re: Popups/Popunders: freeware? > >Just a note regarding instructions for printing HeritageQuest Online >images-- > >They're a bit hidden, but Heritage Quest does supply instructions for >printing "the best quality" census images through Adobe. After finding >the >image that you want to print, click on the "print" button above the >upper >left corner of the image (above the "download" button). A window will >open, >with a link at the top: "To learn how to print enlarged census pages, >click >here." Click on the "click here" link, and Adobe will open a document >with >instructions on how to get the best quality print, enlarged or >otherwise, >including screen snapshots that illustrate the steps. > >A person who has never touched a computer may find the instructions less >than helpful, but I think they're pretty good for casual computer users. >I've printed them to refer to. > >Debra Capponi >Information Specialist >Lumpkin County Library >342 Courthouse Hill >Dahlonega, GA 30533 >706-864-3668, ext. 233 >[email protected] >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Anne Gometz" >To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" >Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:15 PM >Subject: Re: [Genealib] re: Popups/Popunders: freeware? > > > > >>At 12:18 PM 12/31/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >> >>>Dear List, >>>Possibly you might find the free version of PopUp Stopper of use for >>> >>> >your > > >>>libraries. >>> >>> >> Don, >> I took a look at their page, but didn't find >> >> >anything > > >>about freeware use on "government" (read libraries) computers. >> Most of the products I've looked at have a free >> >> >version > > >>only for home users. Has anybody found a completely free one for mass >>library use? >> I realize we're getting off topic here although I >> >> >have >to > > >>admit that 80 per cent of my job these days seems to be dealing with >> >> >the > > >>computers, their users, and the problems the two generate. The first >>thing we had to do with our new Heritage Quest access was write >> >> >detailed > > >>instructions on how to print the census images from our computers and >> >> >we > > >>still have to go through them with every patron. Perhaps our patrons >> >> >have > > >>less computer sophistication than those in some areas. We get many >> >> >people > > >>who have never used a computer. One guy walked over to a pc, tapped >> >> >the > > >>monitor, grinned and said, "There, now I can say I've touched a >> >> >computer." > > >> Anne Gometz >>"Mine and mine alone." >> >>______>>genealib mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib >> >> >> > > >______>genealib mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib >______>genealib mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > > > >

-- Joyce A. McMullin, Manager Alexandria Library, Special Collections 717 Queen Street Alexandria, VA 22314 USA Phone: 703.838.4577 x 211 FAX: 703.706.3912 Special Collections Gateway: http://www.alexandria.lib.va.us/lhsc/special_collections_home.html

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Someone on this list wanted to trade me for an Athens, Georgia telephone directory and now... I don't know who it was??? We both got caught up in the Christmas rush and failed to make plans for the swap.

Ceya Minder Genealogist/Historian [email protected] ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040105/ c03379f0/attachment.htm From LNaukam at libraryweb.org Mon Jan 5 15:04:13 2004 From: LNaukam at libraryweb.org (Naukam, Larry) Date: Mon Jan 5 14:55:48 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Heritage Quest Printing Message-ID: <[email protected]> We have a problem with our printing in that the computer dept. has locked down the PC's so that one may not save to floppy, right click, or make any changes whatsoever to any but the menu choice print options - which do not include making a savable PDF or any editing. Does anyone have advice on getting good prints from a PC secured with Fortress Grande?

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Joyce A. McMullin Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:51 AM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: Re: [Genealib] Heritage Quest Printing

Kristen & group: This is what works for me. Download the census image as a .pdf. Open Acrobat set up the print job for 11 x 17 paper. Use the crop tool to "edit out" some of the black border that is included with each image. When you go to print, you might have to play around to get the landscape orientation and to get it to fit the paper size. Joyce

Kristen Smith wrote:

Dear List,

11 x 17. I would appreciate any advice. I'm trying to ascertain if the problem is with our printer or with me. Here's what I'm doing:

Once I find the image I click on download.

Next I click on View.

Within Adobe Acrobat, I use the graphic select tool to cut out the excess and select what I want to print.

Next, I click on the print button within Adobe Acrobat.

The print range is set to selected graphic. I go into Properties and change the paper size to 11x17 and click OK.

I go into Effects and Select Scale to Fit. I make sure Zoomsmart is showing Print document on 11x17 and click on OK.

I go into Basics and choose Landscape and click on OK.

I make sure "Shrink oversized images to paper size" and "expand small images to paper size" are checked.

I click on OK.

What comes out:

A nicely scaled print out of the first three rows and part of the fourth row of questions for the 1910 census.

Has anyone else experienced this? Any advice?

Thanks,

Kristen Smith

Algonquin Area Public Library

2600 Harnish Drive

Algonquin, Illinois 60102

-----Original Message-----

From: Debra Capponi [ mailto:[email protected]]

Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:17 PM

To: Librarians Serving Genealogists

Subject: Re: [Genealib] re: Popups/Popunders: freeware?

Just a note regarding instructions for printing HeritageQuest Online images--

A person who has never touched a computer may find the instructions less than helpful, but I think they're pretty good for casual computer users.

I've printed them to refer to.

Debra Capponi

Information Specialist

Lumpkin County Library

342 Courthouse Hill

Dahlonega, GA 30533

706-864-3668, ext. 233 [email protected]

----- Original Message -----

From: "Anne Gometz" To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists"

Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:15 PM

Subject: Re: [Genealib] re: Popups/Popunders: freeware?

At 12:18 PM 12/31/2003 -0800, you wrote:

Dear List,

Possibly you might find the free version of PopUp Stopper of use for

your

libraries.

Don,

I took a look at their page, but didn't find

anything

about freeware use on "government" (read libraries) computers.

Most of the products I've looked at have a free

version

only for home users. Has anybody found a completely free one for mass library use?

I realize we're getting off topic here although I

have to

admit that 80 per cent of my job these days seems to be dealing with

the

computers, their users, and the problems the two generate. The first thing we had to do with our new Heritage Quest access was write

detailed

instructions on how to print the census images from our computers and

still have to go through them with every patron. Perhaps our patrons

have

less computer sophistication than those in some areas. We get many

people

who have never used a computer. One guy walked over to a pc, tapped

the

monitor, grinned and said, "There, now I can say I've touched a

computer."

Anne Gometz

"Mine and mine alone."

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

Joyce A. McMullin, Manager

Alexandria Library, Special Collections 717 Queen Street

Alexandria, VA 22314 USA

Phone: 703.838.4577 x 211

FAX: 703.706.3912

Special Collections Gateway: http://www.alexandria.lib.va.us/lhsc/special_collections_home.html

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Thank you! I'll take a look. And a merry New Year to you, also.

Anne

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Actually, this list could be the culprit, as could any listserv you subscribe to. It depends on the safeguards the list coordinator employs to stop spammers from using the list, or obtaining the addresses of people on the ist. And, for me, this listserv has generated a lot of spam.

From DrewSmithUSF at aol.com Tue Jan 6 13:13:55 2004 From: DrewSmithUSF at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Tue Jan 6 13:06:55 2004 Subject: [Genealib] RE: popups Message-ID: <[email protected]>

In a message dated 1/6/2004 12:50:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Actually, this list could be the culprit, as could any listserv you subscribe to. It depends on the safeguards the list coordinator employs to stop spammers from using the list, or obtaining the addresses of people on the ist. And, for me, this listserv has generated a lot of spam.

The GENEALIB list is set up so that all subscriptions must be confirmed by the subscriber. Only the list adminstrator can view the subscription list.

If anyone feels that this list has "generated a lot of spam", please contact me privately and let me know how.

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Job opening at the Newberry Library in Chicago.

TITLE: Reference Librarian

DEPARTMENT: Reader Services

SECTION: Local and Family History

SUMMARY:

Reporting to the Curator of Local and Family History, the Reference Librarian provides general and specialized reference assistance and instruction in the Local and Family History Section.

RESPONSIBILITIES:

Provide reference assistance in Local and Family History Section and to the Library as a whole and oversee reference desk operations. Provide specialized reference assistance for LFH collections. Function as primary contact for genealogy reference correspondence. Prepare materials (including electronic format) to inform readers and facilitate use of the collections. Provide bibliographic instruction, tours and library orientation to visiting groups and resident classes. Participate in outreach activities such as public presentations on the Newberry and on genealogical research sources and methodology. Work with volunteers and Friends of Genealogy group. Participate in departmental and library-wide activities. Perform all other tasks or activities needed for the achievement of departmental goals.

QUALIFICATIONS:

M.L.S. required. Strong background in genealogy with academic training in American history preferred. Experience working in a research library or local history/genealogy library setting. Ability to communicate with diverse library users and staff; strong service orientation requiring tact, patience and flexibility; excellent organizational and communication skills including public speaking ability. Computer proficiency required. Reading knowledge of French or German preferred.

SCHEDULE: Full time, 35 hour work week, Tuesday through Saturday. Exempt position.

SALARY: Librarian I ranking, commensurate with qualifications and experience.

BENEFITS: Group life, health, vision, and dental insurance; fifteen days vacation first year, twenty days thereafter; two personal days, six paid holidays, bookstore discount. Retirement, long term disability, and long term care plans available after one year.

DATE POSTED: January 2, 2004

AVAILABLE: Immediately

Send cover letter, r?sum? and names of three references to Nancy Claar, Director of Human Resources, The Newberry Library, 60 West Walton Street, Chicago IL 60610. [email protected].

THE NEWBERRY LIBRARY IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT WWW.NEWBERRY.ORG

Jack Simpson Curator of Local and Family History The Newberry Library 312-255-3671

From Andrew.Jelen at wfpl.net Wed Jan 7 10:21:19 2004 From: Andrew.Jelen at wfpl.net ([email protected]) Date: Wed Jan 7 11:14:21 2004 Subject: [Genealib] use survey Message-ID:

Fellow librarians for genealogists,

Our patron numbers have declined over the last nine months or so. Our attempts at 'concentrating' the hours we are open has only exacerbated the problem. I often feel that it is difficult to tell what our patrons want and need. Have any of you used a survey? I am interested in any suggestions for questions and distribution points. I would also appreciate any hints and warnings. Thank you in advance.

Since others on this list may also want to read the replies, I won't request they are sent to me off-list. Andrew Jelen

------Andrew C. Jelen Genealogy Librarian Wichita Falls Public Library 600 11th Street Wichita Falls, Texas 76301-4604 (940) 767-0868 x250 [email protected] From RPoray at plainfield.lib.in.us Wed Jan 7 12:46:22 2004 From: RPoray at plainfield.lib.in.us (Reann Poray) Date: Wed Jan 7 12:39:53 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Genealogical Journal Message-ID: <48A9AA21F0F3DD44BE52C336DC5B3A730AD75F@pplserver3.plainfield.lib.in.us>

Available for free:

Genealogical Journal Vol. 6, Issues 1-4 (1977) (issues are hardbound together)

Please reply if you're interested.

Reann Poray Librarian Local and Indiana Information Dept. Plainfield-Guilford Township Public Library Plainfield, IN From Camilla_Berger at ci.pomona.ca.us Wed Jan 7 09:31:02 2004 From: Camilla_Berger at ci.pomona.ca.us (Berger, Camilla) Date: Wed Jan 7 12:44:39 2004 Subject: [Genealib] use survey Message-ID:

In our community we serve a population of around 150,000. Several years ago we moved our 4,000 volume genealogy collection from a room downstairs where the hours were much more limited to the main adult services area upstairs where the collection was accessible the entire time the library was open. We also added a subscription database, AncestryPlus.com, and made it available to any visitor to the library.

Additionally, we occasionally offer a class in beginning genealogy in conjunction with the Friends of the Pomona Public Library. Although we have not taken a survey, we feel we have had a good response to these moves. There are regulars who come almost daily and I recognize some of them from the classes I have taught.

We have also made sure that the local genealogy society was informed of all this information. I attend their meetings when I am able to, and coordinate with them when they donate materials to our genealogy collection.

We also trained our adult services librarians in basic genealogy reference service and compiled a notebook that highlights particular items of interest in our collection such as a listing of our microfilm census holdings by state and date, a listing of what is exactly in those AIS microform census indexes, location of offices for local vital records, special indexes to local history materials, a very detailed list of genealogical periodicals, some basic hints for research, and non-copyrighted family group sheet and ancestral tree forms for copying. I try to make our patrons aware of all these things when they first come to the library.

Camilla Berger Adult Services Pomona Public Library Pomona, California

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] use survey

Fellow librarians for genealogists,

Since others on this list may also want to read the replies, I won't request they are sent to me off-list.

Andrew Jelen

------Andrew C. Jelen Genealogy Librarian Wichita Falls Public Library 600 11th Street Wichita Falls, Texas 76301-4604 (940) 767-0868 x250 [email protected] ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From Arthur.Erickson at ci.greensboro.nc.us Wed Jan 7 13:42:31 2004 From: Arthur.Erickson at ci.greensboro.nc.us (Erickson, Arthur) Date: Wed Jan 7 13:36:41 2004 Subject: [Genealib] use survey Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Andrew,

As well as being the Genealogy Librarian here, I am also the Statistics Man for my library system. When we do them, surveys usually come through me at some point. I am no research methodologist, but I have a taken a few courses on the subject and have a good understanding of what experts generally say about surveys. This is all very general, not specific to genealogy at all. Some of the big things to bear in mind are:

Keep surveys short and focused. Librarians have a tendency to compile long lists of questions they want answered, and to pack surveys in an attempt to cover them all. This is deadly and should be resisted. If a user survey is longer than 20 questions, it is too long. Under 10 questions are best. If you need to answer more than 10 questions worth of issues, do multiple surveys, each on narrow topics. Don't make one survey longer.

Survey questions should be conceived to answer specific questions. Do not ask a question simply because the answers might be neat. Sit down and ask yourself the question-will X survey question help to answer Y real issue? If you don't know the answer to that, then your survey is unfocused and hodgepodge.

Never ask questions like "Should we, the library, do this/that or offer this/that service?". The answer will always be "Yes"-it tells you nothing, because the average user thinks that we ought to be all things to all people. It's a knee-jerk response. Instead, ask "Would you use X service, if we offered it?", or "How often do you/would you, use X service, use X product/resource, etc.?". This actually tells you something about real or potential user behavior.

Questions about actual user behavior, needs or desires are best, but there is nothing inherently wrong with asking for user perceptions. It can be quite useful to gain insights into how users perceive libraries, regardless of the basis of the perceptions. But I find that more concrete questions about user behavior are the most useful.

If you use scales in your survey (best to worst, 1-10, etc.), limit the scale to 4 or 5 options at the most. Three options are actually just fine, in most cases. Any more than that tends to be pointless. For example, "How would you rate the following service? Please rate them on a scale of 1-5, with 1 being the poorest rating and 5 being the best". You may have an urge to offer the user more flexibility in answering, but it means nothing to do so. On a seven point scale, the difference between 1 and 2, or 6 and 7 resides solely in the mind of the user and is completely opaque to us.

If you use even numbered scales (2/4), you force the user to commit to a positive or negative opinion, which can be quite useful. I like even point scales. Remember, surveys are not about making the user feel good or comfortable. They are about getting information. The fact that you yourself may not like the feeling of agonizing over the "right" answer on a restrictive survey does not mean you should not force others to have that same experience.

In general, specific questions and ratings are more useful than generalized ones. So, questions like "How often", "How many", "What times/days", etc. are more telling than questions that ask for better/worse statements. Better/worse statements only help to identify a problem, they do not imply solutions.

Fill in the blank/open-ended sections tend to be ignored. On a ten question survey, use no more than two open ended questions. If you have more than that, people get intimidated and may not take the survey at all. Combining multiple choice/scaled answers with a fill in the blank option is ok.

If you care much about survey validity, you need to think about how the survey will be administered, not only what it asks. Controlling how the survey is implemented is important. You want consistency and randomness. So, for example, you could ask all users on a given day to do the survey, or you could ask every fifth person to do a survey. But you should not make it voluntary-only those who choose to do the survey. Voluntary surveys are weighted towards users who like you a lot and those who dislike you. They underreport the uncommitted/neutral-i.e. the majority of our users.

This is just the quick and dirty layman's version. Others may disagree. Like I said, I am not an authority.

Arthur

Arthur Erickson Genealogy Librarian Greensboro Public Library

219 N. Church St. PO Box 3178 Greensboro, NC 27402-3178 (336) 574-4099 [email protected] www.greensborolibrary.org/

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:genealib- [email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] use survey

Fellow librarians for genealogists,

Since others on this list may also want to read the replies, I won't request they are sent to me off-list.

Andrew Jelen ------Andrew C. Jelen Genealogy Librarian Wichita Falls Public Library 600 11th Street Wichita Falls, Texas 76301-4604 (940) 767-0868 x250 [email protected]

From vfreyre at aapld.org Wed Jan 7 12:54:58 2004 From: vfreyre at aapld.org (Virginia Freyre) Date: Wed Jan 7 13:43:27 2004 Subject: [Genealib] pdf-fill in census extraction forms Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Dear listserv members,

I had a patron ask if Ancestry Plus would ever provide a "fill-in" type pdf form for the census records. He stated that his handwriting is terrible and that the census extraction forms in pdf format would be more useful to him, if he could key the information in and then print it out! Interesting idea! Is this something that is available anywhere else? I told him that someone here might know if this is a possibility or in the works!

Thanks.

Virginia Freyre

Algonquin Area Public Library District [email protected]

"Happiness can exist only in acceptance."

--George Orwell

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Virginia,

You might suggest he try the pre-formatted census extraction Excel Spreadsheets available at http://censustools.com/

Bill Teschek [email protected]

Virginia Freyre wrote:

Dear listserv members,

I had a patron ask if Ancestry Plus would ever provide a ?fill-in? type pdf form for the census records. He stated that his handwriting is terrible and that the census extraction forms in pdf format would be more useful to him, if he could key the information in and then print it out! Interesting idea! Is this something that is available anywhere else? I told him that someone here might know if this is a possibility or in the works! Thanks. Virginia Freyre Algonquin Area Public Library District [email protected]

"Happiness can exist only in acceptance." --George Orwell

From tkemp at Godfrey.org Wed Jan 7 14:45:02 2004 From: tkemp at Godfrey.org (Tom Kemp) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:36:22 2004 Subject: [Genealib] ALA San Diego Gen Mtg Sessions In-Reply-To: <48A9AA21F0F3DD44BE52C336DC5B3A730AD75F@pplserver3.plainfield.lib.in.us> Message-ID: <003f01c3d556$c71ebcd0$6832a8c0@kemp>

Genealogy Librarian News: 6 Jan 2004 Published by the Godfrey Memorial Library www.Godfrey.org Thomas Jay Kemp, Editor ...... Special ALA Edition. San Diego Jan 9-14, 2003.

A full update on genealogy events at ALA will be published following the conference......

ALA - San Diego Jan 9-14, 2003. Schedule Saturday. 10 Jan 2004 8-9:00 . HS Executive Committee Meeting. Bristol San Diego Hotel: Metropolitan Room

9:30-11:30. Genealogy & Local History Discussion Group. San Diego Public Library Speaker: Clive Henry, CEO: Otherdays.com will demo and discuss this online Irish resource Followed by a tour of the San Diego PL Genealogy Collection.

2-4pm . Genealogy Committee: Standards & Guidelines. US Grant Hotel. Regency Room

2-5:30 . Bibliography & Indexing Committee. Hilton Coronado Room

4:30-5:30 . Genealogy PreConference Planning Committee. Marriott. Executive Board Room

6:00-800 . Genealogy Committee Dinner. 600pm. Molly's Restaurant at San Diego Marriott Hotel & Marina; 333 West Harbor Drive, San Diego, CA, 92101. Phone: 1 619-234-1500 http://marriott.com/property/propertyPage.mi?marshaCode=SANDT

Sunday. 11 Jan 2004

8am-12:30. Genealogy Committee. Convention Center Room 26-B

9:30-11:30 . Instruction & Research Services Committee. Convention Center Room 33A

6-8pm History Section Dinner at Joe's Crab Shack http://www.joescrabshack.com Located very near the CC at 525 E. Harbor Drive (619.233.7391)

Monday. 12 Jan 2004

9:30-11:30 .Local History Committee. Hyatt Hotel: Annie A Room

2-4:00 . History Librarians Discussion Group. Convention Center. Room 31A

Tuesday. 13 Jan 2004 8:00-12:00 . HS Executive Board Meeting. Marriott. Torrance Room

For further information contact: Tom Thomas Jay Kemp Godfrey Memorial Library 134 Newfield Street Middletown, CT 06457-2534

Tel. 860.346.4375 FAX 860.347.9874 [email protected] Librarian News: 6 Jan 2004 Published by the Godfrey Memorial Library www.Godfrey.org Thomas Jay Kemp, Editor ......

Special ALA Edition. San Diego Jan 9-14, 2003.

A full update on genealogy events at ALA will be published following the conference.

......

ALA - San Diego Jan 9-14, 2003. Schedule

Saturday. 10 Jan 2004

8-9:00 . HS Executive Committee Meeting. Bristol San Diego Hotel: Metropolitan Room

9:30-11:30. Genealogy & Local History Discussion Group. San Diego Public Library

Speaker: Clive Henry, CEO: Otherdays.com will demo and discuss this

online Irish resource

Followed by a tour of the San Diego PL Genealogy Collection.

2-4pm . Genealogy Committee: Standards & Guidelines. US Grant Hotel. Regency

Room

2-5:30 . Bibliography & Indexing Committee. Hilton Coronado Room

4:30-5:30 . Genealogy PreConference Planning Committee. Marriott. Executive Board

Room

Sunday. 11 Jan 2004

8am-12:30. Genealogy Committee. Convention Center Room 26-B

9:30-11:30 . Instruction & Research Services Committee. Convention Center Room 33A

6-8pm History Section Dinner at Joe's Crab Shack http://www.joescrabshack.com Located very near the CC at 525 E. Harbor Drive (619.233.7391)

Monday. 12 Jan 2004

9:30-11:30 .Local History Committee. Hyatt Hotel: Annie A Room

2-4:00 . History Librarians Discussion Group. Convention Center. Room 31A

Tuesday. 13 Jan 2004

8:00-12:00 . HS Executive Board Meeting. Marriott. Torrance Room

For further information contact:

Tom

Thomas Jay Kemp

Godfrey Memorial Library

134 Newfield Street

Middletown, CT 06457-2534

Tel. 860.346.4375

FAX 860.347.9874

[email protected]

From maire1999 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 12:21:15 2004 From: maire1999 at yahoo.com (Mary Devine) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:14:05 2004 Subject: [Genealib] pdf-fill in census extraction forms In-Reply-To: <3FFC186D.20533.2533182B@localhost> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Thanks for sharing this link Bill!! It will definitely help me as well as my patrons out. :) Have a great day! Mary Devine Reference Librarian Social Sciences Department Boston Public Library

Bill Teschek wrote: Virginia,

You might suggest he try the pre-formatted census extraction Excel Spreadsheets available at http://censustools.com/

Bill Teschek [email protected]

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You might also suggest Clooz. This application has forms for all the census' and more. It works standalone or in conjunction with MSAccess 97 or 2000. (See the website for notes on later versions of MSAccess, but you should use the standalone version of Clooz if you have later versions of MSAccess or Clooz will not work correctly.) http://www.clooz.com

Also available via Ancestry.com

______Sarah A. V. Kirby Corporate Librarian and Research Assistant Boelter & Yates, Inc. [email protected] 847-685-9284 From astaley at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 19:22:27 2004 From: astaley at comcast.net (astaley) Date: Wed Jan 7 19:15:30 2004 Subject: [Genealib] RE: pdf-fill in census extraction forms References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

You might also suggest ByGones. "Electronically" I file my research with ByGones (Basic Genealogical Note-keeping System) and am thoroughly pleased. I made a trip to Salt Lake with my ByGones database on my laptop and it worked out great!

It is a freeware software program designed to help you to keep genealogical research notes and is available for Windows 95+ and Macintosh computers. The Bygones program is a FileMaker Pro 4.0 Runtime database program that will work only with the Bygones databases.

More information concerning the program can be found on the web page and a manual can be downloaded. The manual is not finished but still contains quite a lot of information that will help you understand the program and get you started. The program designer has also placed tutorials online and has set up a mail list that is active; he monitors it and is usually right there with help/advice.

It has sorting and searching capabilities. You can use templates, including some for census work, that help to reduce your input time. Since the program is free, it won't cost anything to try it out.

Hope this helps, Ann

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Kirby" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:55 PM Subject: [Genealib] RE: pdf-fill in census extraction forms

Also available via Ancestry.com

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From kstanley at flash.net Wed Jan 7 19:45:18 2004 From: kstanley at flash.net (Karen Stanley) Date: Wed Jan 7 22:38:07 2004 Subject: [Genealib] pdf-fill in census extraction forms In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Census extraction forms in pdf format are available on the free section of Ancestry.com - you can find them at: http://www.ancestry.com/save/charts/census.htm

Karen Stanley Houston, TX

Virginia Freyre wrote:

Dear listserv members,

I had a patron ask if Ancestry Plus would ever provide a � fill-in � type pdf form for the census records. He stated that his handwriting is terrible and that the census extraction forms in pdf format would be more useful to him, if he could key the information in and then print it out! Interesting idea! Is this something that is available anywhere else? I told him that someone here might know if this is a possibility or in the works!

Thanks.

Virginia Freyre

Algonquin Area Public Library District [email protected]

"Happiness can exist only in acceptance."

--George Orwell

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Karen Stanley wrote:Census extraction forms in pdf format are available on the free section of Ancestry.com - you can find them at: http://www.ancestry.com/save/charts/census.htm

Karen Stanley Houston, TX

Virginia Freyre wrote:

Dear listserv members,

Thanks.

Virginia Freyre

Algonquin Area Public Library District [email protected]

"Happiness can exist only in acceptance." --George Orwell

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From Bookish59 at cs.com Fri Jan 9 11:48:33 2004 From: Bookish59 at cs.com ([email protected]) Date: Fri Jan 9 11:41:23 2004 Subject: [Genealib] AncestryPlus taking 30-minute breaks? Message-ID: <[email protected]>

We have a single user license for AncestryPlus. Recently we have found that patrons are unable to log on to the program if someone else has just finished using it. Ancestry's tech support told us that people cannot use the program if someone else has logged off within the last 30 minutes. And every time someone tries to log on, the 30-minute period starts over.

Ancestry says they are trying to work on this, but meanwhile the program is virtually useless at busy times of the day. Do others have this problem, and has anyone found a work-around?

Chuck Sherrill Director, The Brentwood Library 8109 Concord Rd. Brentwood, TN 37027 phone (615) 371-2279 fax (615) 371-2238 From jeffrey at bartlesville.lib.ok.us Fri Jan 9 11:06:16 2004 From: jeffrey at bartlesville.lib.ok.us (Jeffrey Joseph Courouleau) Date: Fri Jan 9 12:03:07 2004 Subject: [Genealib] AncestryPlus taking 30-minute breaks? In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: yes, this is a known issue with us as well. we have 2 user licenses, and have experienced trouble similar to what you mention where the computers both wait 30 minutes, and fail to keep an accurate track of our licenses. we are in communication with AncestryPlus and attempting to have this issue resolved. but they told us the 30 min issue will be worked out in the next product release (months away).

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"It is wise for us to recur to the history of our ancestors. Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the Past to the Future do not perform their duty to the world." -- Daniel Webster

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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:49 To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] AncestryPlus taking 30-minute breaks?

Ancestry says they are trying to work on this, but meanwhile the program is virtually useless at busy times of the day. Do others have this problem, and has anyone found a work-around?

From llandis at starklibrary.org Fri Jan 9 12:46:40 2004 From: llandis at starklibrary.org (Lauren Landis) Date: Fri Jan 9 12:39:30 2004 Subject: [Genealib] RE: AncestryPlus taking 30-minute Breaks Message-ID: <[email protected]>

We have not run into this problem at our library. Have you tried just leaving AncestryPlus up all the time. You can open Internet Explorer (or whatever browser you use) more than once on the computer. Have one of them dedicated to AncestryPlus and if the patron wants to go somewhere else on the Internet, have them do so from another window. It would be a bit awkward, but it might work for the short term. Good luck.

Sincerely, Miss Lauren K. Landis, Genealogy Division Mgr. Stark County District Library 715 Market Ave. North Canton, OH 44702-1080 Phone: (330) 452-0065, ext. 2769 Email: [email protected]

-----Original Message-----

Ancestry says they are trying to work on this, but meanwhile the program is virtually useless at busy times of the day. Do others have this problem, and has anyone found a work-around?

Chuck Sherrill Director, The Brentwood Library 8109 Concord Rd. Brentwood, TN 37027 phone (615) 371-2279 fax (615) 371-2238

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End of genealib Digest, Vol 4, Issue 13 *************************************** From tbenson at monroe.lib.mi.us Fri Jan 9 12:47:08 2004 From: tbenson at monroe.lib.mi.us (Toni Benson) Date: Fri Jan 9 12:40:39 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Microfilm Printer Costs Message-ID:

Greetings and Happy New Year to everyone,

Our library is in a relatively small town, but it serves as the headquarters for a 7-library district and also houses the regional local history/genealogical collection for Southwest Michigan.

In 1996 we purchased a Minolta microfilm reader/printer with the assistance of the local genealogical society. This reader is now requiring major repairs and we are exploring options of fix or buy new. Our director is also concerned that we don't make enough copies to pay for the maintenance fees on the machine let alone save anything toward the purchase of a new one.

Our copy cost was set at $.25 in 1996 and has always been the same. I would like to know what other libraries are charging for their microfilm copies and if they face similar concerns regarding their machines.

Many thanks, in advance. This is a great list and I've learned a great deal just by listening.

Please respond to my privately at [email protected]

Toni I. Benson, Local History Van Buren District Library Decatur, MI

From tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org Fri Jan 9 11:51:07 2004 From: tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org (Tracy Luscombe) Date: Fri Jan 9 12:43:18 2004 Subject: [Genealib] AncestryPlus taking 30-minute breaks? Message-ID:

Wow- that's a terrible situation. Is there a time limit for one patron use? If not, you could just keep it logged on all day and each patron just uses it in turn.

Tracy Luscombe McKinney Memorial Public Library

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] AncestryPlus taking 30-minute breaks?

Ancestry says they are trying to work on this, but meanwhile the program is virtually useless at busy times of the day. Do others have this problem, and has anyone found a work-around?

Chuck Sherrill Director, The Brentwood Library 8109 Concord Rd. Brentwood, TN 37027 phone (615) 371-2279 fax (615) 371-2238 From tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org Fri Jan 9 11:51:07 2004 From: tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org (Tracy Luscombe) Date: Fri Jan 9 12:43:19 2004 Subject: [Genealib] AncestryPlus taking 30-minute breaks? Message-ID:

Wow- that's a terrible situation. Is there a time limit for one patron use? If not, you could just keep it logged on all day and each patron just uses it in turn.

Tracy Luscombe McKinney Memorial Public Library

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] AncestryPlus taking 30-minute breaks?

Ancestry says they are trying to work on this, but meanwhile the program is virtually useless at busy times of the day. Do others have this problem, and has anyone found a work-around?

Chuck Sherrill Director, The Brentwood Library 8109 Concord Rd. Brentwood, TN 37027 phone (615) 371-2279 fax (615) 371-2238 From SKirby at boelter-yates.com Fri Jan 9 12:10:26 2004 From: SKirby at boelter-yates.com (Sarah Kirby) Date: Fri Jan 9 13:03:11 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Wisconsin Name Index Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I just found this wonderful source. Thought ya'll might like to know about it. Does anyone know of similar resources for other states/areas? http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wni/

>From their website:

The Wisconsin Name Index includes 150 county and local histories, dozen of professional directories and biographical encyclopedias, more than 60 scrapbooks containing 30,000 obituaries, and selected articles in Wisconsin magazines and newspapers. These publications were indexed by Wisconsin Historical Society librarians between roughly 1870 and 1970 but contain information on individuals from earlier date ranges. You can search the Wisconsin Name Index and purchase full text copies of available items which will be mailed directly to you.

______Sarah A. V. Kirby Corporate Librarian and Research Assistant Boelter & Yates, Inc. [email protected] 847-685-9284

From francojan at hotmail.com Fri Jan 9 18:26:56 2004 From: francojan at hotmail.com (Jan Franco) Date: Fri Jan 9 13:19:43 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Microfilm Printer Costs Message-ID:

We also charge $ .25 for microfilm copies and have no plans to increase this year.

Janis L. Franco Local History Librarian Meriden Public Library 105 Miller St., P.O. Box 868 Meriden, CT 06450

______Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access � limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From ggrunow at ci.newport-news.va.us Fri Jan 9 14:08:23 2004 From: ggrunow at ci.newport-news.va.us (Gregg Grunow) Date: Fri Jan 9 14:16:57 2004 Subject: [Genealib] RE: AncestryPlus taking 30-minute Breaks In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID:

We have one internet terminal in our Virginiana Room. I leave the Ancestryplus logged in all day. I have found that short of turning off the computer Ancestryplus stays logged on until you physically click the logoff link.

Gregg Grunow Virginiana Room Librarian Newport News Public Library System

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:46:40 -0500 "Lauren Landis" wrote: > We have not run into this problem at our library. Have > you tried just > leaving AncestryPlus up all the time. You can open > Internet Explorer > (or whatever browser you use) more than once on the > computer. Have one > of them dedicated to AncestryPlus and if the patron wants > to go > somewhere else on the Internet, have them do so from > another window. It > would be a bit awkward, but it might work for the short > term. Good > luck. > > Sincerely, > Miss Lauren K. Landis, Genealogy Division Mgr. > Stark County District Library > 715 Market Ave. North > Canton, OH 44702-1080 > Phone: (330) 452-0065, ext. 2769 > Email: [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > > We have a single user license for AncestryPlus. Recently > we have found > that patrons are unable to log on to the program if > someone else has > just finished using it. Ancestry's tech support told us > that people > cannot use the program if someone else has logged off > within the last 30 > minutes. And every time someone tries to log on, the > 30-minute period > starts over. > > Ancestry says they are trying to work on this, but > meanwhile the program > is virtually useless at busy times of the day. Do others > have this > problem, and has anyone found a work-around? > > Chuck Sherrill > Director, The Brentwood Library > 8109 Concord Rd. > Brentwood, TN 37027 > phone (615) 371-2279 > fax (615) 371-2238 > > ------> > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > End of genealib Digest, Vol 4, Issue 13 > *************************************** > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

Gregg Grunow Virginiana Room Librarian Newport News Public Library System Main Street Library 110 Main St. Newport News, VA 23601 757-591-4858 (phone) 757-591-4826 (fax) [email protected] From ggrunow at ci.newport-news.va.us Fri Jan 9 14:12:31 2004 From: ggrunow at ci.newport-news.va.us (Gregg Grunow) Date: Fri Jan 9 14:17:00 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Microfilm Printer Costs In-Reply-To: Message-ID:

Toni,

We charge .15 cents per copy. We also have Minolta Reader/Printers. We seem to do ok with maintaining the machines. I am not in on the financial end of things. We do maintain a service contract on our two machines. All of the repairs done to date have been covered under the service contract.

Gregg Grunow Virginiana Room Librarian Newport News Public Library System On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:47:08 -0500 (EST) Toni Benson wrote: > > Greetings and Happy New Year to everyone, > > Our library is in a relatively small town, but it serves > as the > headquarters for a 7-library district and also houses the > regional local > history/genealogical collection for Southwest Michigan. > > In 1996 we purchased a Minolta microfilm reader/printer > with the > assistance of the local genealogical society. This > reader is now > requiring major repairs and we are exploring options of > fix or buy new. > Our director is also concerned that we don't make enough > copies to pay for > the maintenance fees on the machine let alone save > anything toward the > purchase of a new one. > > Our copy cost was set at $.25 in 1996 and has always been > the same. I > would like to know what other libraries are charging for > their microfilm > copies and if they face similar concerns regarding their > machines. > > Many thanks, in advance. This is a great list and I've > learned a great > deal just by listening. > > Please respond to my privately at [email protected] > > Toni I. Benson, Local History > Van Buren District Library > Decatur, MI > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

Gregg Grunow Virginiana Room Librarian Newport News Public Library System Main Street Library 110 Main St. Newport News, VA 23601 757-591-4858 (phone) 757-591-4826 (fax) [email protected] From jpaxton at shreve-lib.org Fri Jan 9 13:37:50 2004 From: jpaxton at shreve-lib.org (Jennie Paxton) Date: Fri Jan 9 14:33:14 2004 Subject: [Genealib] REVISED Vacancy -- Genealogy Librarian -- Shreveport, LA Message-ID: SHREVE MEMORIAL LIBRARY

03/04-BR-13A

VACANCY NUMBER:

**REVISED 1/9/04, with ADJUSTED SALARY **

Librarian II, Genealogy Librarian, Broadmoor Branch Library

Full-Time

SUMMARY: Under administrative supervision, this is responsible professional library work, which involves the applications of professional library techniques and procedures to a specialized collection within a resources center. Performs related and other work as required.

REQUIRED TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE

Attainment of B.A. or B.S. from an accredited university/college, attainment of a graduate degree in Library and/or Information Science from an ALA-accredited university. Experience with Special Collections, especially Genealogy Collections, course work in Special Collections and/or Genealogy, and supervisory experience is highly desirable.

REQUIRED KNOWLEDGE, ABILITIES AND SKILLS

Good knowledge of professional library principles, practices and procedures. Some knowledge of digital resource equipment (scanners, digital cameras, etc.) is highly desirable. Knowledge of genealogy resources and research is highly desirable.

Demonstrated ability to: (1) handle both routine operations and long- range planning; (2) establish and maintain effective working relationships with the public and other staff; (3) supervise, train, and evaluate support staff; (4) schedule department staff and work flow for maximum effectiveness; (5) communicate effectively, orally and in writing, to groups and individuals; (6) use application software.

GENERAL DUTIES

* Serves as a working supervisor of the Genealogy Department of the Broadmoor Branch (a major resource center). Is acting Branch Manager in the absence of the Branch and Assistant Branch Managers. Collaborates with Branch Manager and Assistant Branch Manager on branch functions. * Responsible for all aspects of assigned area (Genealogy Services). * Selects, trains, schedules, supervises and evaluates 1 full-time and 5 part- time support staff. * Oversees daily activities; assigns tasks; coordinates work flow. * Provides assistance to patrons of all ages with answers to reference questions and with help in locating materials. * Responsible for collection development in assigned areas. * Responsible for interlibrary loan of genealogical materials. * Responsible for planning, organizing and teaching genealogy computer classes; gives talks to area Genealogy groups. * Attends system-wide meetings/workshops. * Coordinates with supervisor regarding major department decisions. * Has the ability to use various computer programs and databases, including CD- ROMs. * Performs other necessary duties as required.

SCHEDULE [subject to change without notice]

Monday ? Friday: 9:00 a.m. ? 6:00 p.m. , with occasional evening/weekend coverage as needed.

Will work some Sundays on a rotational basis.

THE LIBRARY

Shreve Memorial Library System is the largest public library system in Louisiana, with nineteen branches and one bookmobile. The library system has a combined holdings of over 665,000 items and an annual materials budget of nearly $1,000,000. A 10-year 5.26 mills property tax was passed in 1996. This is providing for the expansion of 10 existing full-time branches, the building of two new outlets and the expansion of 9 part-time branches. Broadmoor?s new state-of-the art 32,000 square feet building, which serves as a resource center for the southeastern portion of the parish, opened in April, 2000, and has the highest circulation of any outlet in the system. The Genealogy Collection is one of the largest in the South.

THE AREA

Shreveport (and sister city Bossier City) are two progressive cities in Northwest Louisiana steeped in Southern style! Shreveport and Bossier City are rich in attractions, festivals, cultural activities and fine food. Shreveport-Bossier serves as the trade and cultural center of the 200-mile radius extending into Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas, known as the Ark-La-Tex. Some of the attractions include horse racing from Louisiana Downs, one of the nation?s largest thoroughbred racetracks, the American Rose Center, North America?s largest park dedicated to the rose, theater, ballet, opera, a symphony, museums, outdoor recreation at local lakes and parks, five dockside river boat casinos with entertainment districts being developed on both side of the Red River, a variety of festivals year-round, and family attractions including a Sci-Port Discovery Center and IMAX theater and a water-park. With a low cost of living, Shreveport is a desirable place to live. http://www.shreveport-bossier.org/

APPLICATION DEADLINE Review of resumes will begin immediately; resumes will be accepted until the position is filled.

STARTING DATE

Position available immediately

SALARY

$2516/month + benefits

CONTACT: Send letter of application, resume and three professional references to Jennie Paxton, Human Resources Coordinator, Shreve Memorial Library, P.O. Box 21523, Shreveport, LA 71120-1523 or fax to (318) 226-4780 or e-mail to [email protected] (Word Perfect or Word formats only). If you have questions about the application process, contact Jennie Paxton at (318) 226-4789. Contact Betty Cannon, (318) 869-0120 or Cindy Ortego (318) 226-5881, if you have questions regarding the position. A criminal background check and a drug screening are part of the pre-hire process. We do not discriminate on the basis of race, religion, color, sex, age, national origin or on-job related disability. January 9, 2004

From DALAMBERT at NEHGS.ORG Fri Jan 9 16:23:20 2004 From: DALAMBERT at NEHGS.ORG (Lambert, David) Date: Fri Jan 9 16:14:31 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Microfilm Printer Costs Message-ID: <732716B256AE3F4991AF61EACAA7FC45EB9A11@MAIL_NEHGS>

At NEHGS (New England Historic Genealgoical Society) in Boston. We charge .25 for 8x10 Copies and .75 for 11x17 copies. We also have a microfilm reader setup to allow patrons to burn images to CD-ROM.

Regards,

David Allen Lambert NEHGS Microtext Library Manager

-----Original Message----- From: Toni Benson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 12:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Microfilm Printer Costs

Greetings and Happy New Year to everyone,

Our library is in a relatively small town, but it serves as the headquarters for a 7-library district and also houses the regional local history/genealogical collection for Southwest Michigan. In 1996 we purchased a Minolta microfilm reader/printer with the assistance of the local genealogical society. This reader is now requiring major repairs and we are exploring options of fix or buy new. Our director is also concerned that we don't make enough copies to pay for the maintenance fees on the machine let alone save anything toward the purchase of a new one.

Many thanks, in advance. This is a great list and I've learned a great deal just by listening.

Please respond to my privately at [email protected]

Toni I. Benson, Local History Van Buren District Library Decatur, MI

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From spike00 at kih.net Fri Jan 9 21:03:58 2004 From: spike00 at kih.net (Sharon Pike) Date: Fri Jan 9 21:00:48 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Genealogy and African American Military History Message-ID: <[email protected]>

The Kentucky Historical Society will hold a genealogy workshop titled "Genealogy and African American Military History" on Thursday, January 22, 2004 from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. at the Kentucky History Center, 100 W. Broadway, Frankfort, Kentucky, 40601-1931.

Find out how to research your African American ancestors' participation in military service in this hands-on workshop. Learn what military sources are available in the Kentucky Historical Society Library, Special Collections, and Military History Museum and how to access them. Participants can take an optional tour of the Joining the Ranks: African Americans in the Military exhibit with exhibit curator Michael R. Jones.

The workshop instructors are Ron D. Bryant, Kentucky History and Genealogy Specialist for the Kentucky Historical Society, Lynne Hollingsworth, manuscript archivist at the Kentucky Historical Society, and Brandon K. Slone, military historian and archivist at the Kentucky Department of Military Affairs.

The cost is $10 which includes a box lunch, transportation to the Kentucky Military History Museum, and handouts. Preregistration and payment are required because attendance is limited. Make checks payable to the Kentucky Historical Society and mail to the following address: Kentucky Historical Society Attn: Joanie DiMartino 100 W. Broadway Frankfort, KY 40601-1931.

(502) 564-1792 http://history.ky.gov

Please pass this information on to others who may be interested.

From ckluskens at starpower.net Fri Jan 9 21:26:24 2004 From: ckluskens at starpower.net (Claire Kluskens) Date: Fri Jan 9 21:19:27 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Microfilm Printer Costs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <[email protected]>

We charge $ 0.35 cents per page for copies made off microfilm, regardless of size of paper, which is either 8.5 x 11 or 11 x 17.

Claire Kluskens NARA

From ejohnston at round-rock.tx.us Sat Jan 10 09:24:34 2004 From: ejohnston at round-rock.tx.us (Elizabeth Johnston) Date: Sat Jan 10 10:17:40 2004 Subject: [Genealib] AncestryPlus taking 30-minute breaks? Message-ID:

Thank you for bringing up this problem. It had not yet occurred to us that others would have the same problem. And, when talking with Ancestry, we were not told of the 30 minute wait thing. In fact, our computer people have talked with Ancestry about changing our login access from IP to password only to see if that would help clarify who was using AncestryPlus. We were advised that since we were using AncestryPlus through an IP address that means anybody with that IP could be on it. In our case, this could be anybody in the city, from the mayor to the parks and recreation department. I think another option was to use or get an IP address that would be just for the library. That would more easily let us know who, if anybody, was on it. But....this seems like a moot point now. Believe me, I have forwarded this to my colleagues here. We were driving ourselves crazy trying to figure out who was using AncestryPlus at any given time. I love this list!

Elizabeth L. Johnston Genealogy & Local History Librarian Round Rock Public Library System 216 East Main Round Rock, TX 78664 512-218-7064 [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] AncestryPlus taking 30-minute breaks?

Ancestry says they are trying to work on this, but meanwhile the program is virtually useless at busy times of the day. Do others have this problem, and has anyone found a work-around?

Chuck Sherrill Director, The Brentwood Library 8109 Concord Rd. Brentwood, TN 37027 phone (615) 371-2279 fax (615) 371-2238 ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From mbrower at nccn.net Sat Jan 10 19:44:51 2004 From: mbrower at nccn.net (Maria Brower) Date: Sat Jan 10 22:39:47 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Cost of copies Message-ID: <[email protected]>

We currently charge only .10 for copies from our Minolta reader/printer. When I first started at the library 4 years ago the price was .30, but I found our main library was charging only .10 and they had the same new machine as we had. So we lowered our cost to .10 We were told when we got our new scanner that we could not make money on copies and would have get the approval of our Board of Supervisors if we wanted to charge as much as our historical society that is directly across the street from us. Maria Brower Library Tech Doris Foley Library for Historical Research Nevada City, CA

From traceroots at comcast.net Sun Jan 11 11:39:40 2004 From: traceroots at comcast.net (Traceroots) Date: Sun Jan 11 12:32:18 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Favorite Websites In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID:

Cheryl, have you gotten the web sites that Kory was looking for? I would like a copy when you receive yours. Brenda -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Cheryl Smith Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 10:08 AM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: RE: [Genealib] Favorite Websites I'm enjoying a new site I have found. It's called Genealogyblog.com. I use HeritageQuest quite extensively. AncestryPlus fills in the gaps of HeritageQuest. USGenWeb helps with the county information. I use Cyndislist for any of the odd research that I don't know where to start. I try to peruse SomosPrimos.com for Hispanic Research.

(We're trying to increase our collection and understanding of the Hispanic Research.)

I always enjoy this list outcome each year.

Cheryl Smith

Public Services Librarian Senior

Harrington Library

1501 18th St.

Plano, TX 75074

972-941-7175

-----Original Message----- From: KoryM [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Favorite Websites

Please send me, off list, your favorite 5 to 20 Internet sites for genealogical research. You don't have to rank the sites, and don't worry about the exact URL, just get the site name as close as you can. As before, you can send your list with, or without, annotations. I do encourage short, pithy comments as it will provide interesting reading in the article, and further promote the value of genealogical librarians. Due to the deadline for the article, I need to have your nominations to my In-box by 10 January 2004. Send them directly to me at [email protected] with the subject line "Websites." For those who want to see last April's top 13 sites, (mis-identified as October 2002), go to http://www.progenealogists.com/genealogysites.htm

With best wishes for the New Year,

Kory L. Meyerink, MLIS, AG

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We have not had this problem, but we have had the site be unavailable at times.

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Dear List:

The Library of Michigan charges twenty cents per page for any photocopying or printing. This includes microfilms and microfiche, printed materials, computer printers.

Sincerely,

Charles Hagler Librarian

Library of Michigan 702 West Kalamazoo Street P.O. Box 30007 Lansing, MI 48909-7507 Telephone: (517) 373-1366 Telefax: (517) 373-5853 [email protected]

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Folks, Thinking on a broader front here, how often do we insist that the services we offer cover their own costs? I've always understood that it was worth subsidizing photocopiers just to cut down vandalism and theft. Most people won't steal microfilm or a computer file because they can't get a printout at a price they consider reasonable so perhaps there isn't an analogous argument here. But having spent thousands of dollars to provide the access to the micromaterials or computer files, it seems strange that we might then balk at the cost of providing copies from these information sources. Having said that, now I will say that I do believe you need to charge _something_ or the service will be massively abused. This is based on personal experience with an inadvertent experiment with free copies at a former job. Anne Gometz "Mine and mine alone."

From BKiersh at coj.net Mon Jan 12 12:44:07 2004 From: BKiersh at coj.net (Barbara Kiersh) Date: Mon Jan 12 12:37:01 2004 Subject: [Genealib] AncestryPlus taking 30-minute breaks? Message-ID:

Chuck and list,

We haven't had this problem - yet. I can't imagine why they would tell you such a thing if the problem isn't a real glitch in the program for all users.

Barbara Kiersh Genealogy Dept. Jacksonville (FL) Public Library

>>> [email protected] 01/09/04 11:48AM >>> We have a single user license for AncestryPlus. Recently we have found that patrons are unable to log on to the program if someone else has just finished using it. Ancestry's tech support told us that people cannot use the program if someone else has logged off within the last 30 minutes. And every time someone tries to log on, the 30-minute period starts over.

Ancestry says they are trying to work on this, but meanwhile the program is virtually useless at busy times of the day. Do others have this problem, and has anyone found a work-around?

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Chuck and list,

We haven't had this problem - yet. I can't imagine why they would tell you such a thing if the problem isn't a real glitch in the program for all users.

Barbara Kiersh Genealogy Dept. Jacksonville (FL) Public Library

Ancestry says they are trying to work on this, but meanwhile the program is virtually useless at busy times of the day. Do others have this problem, and has anyone found a work-around?

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The West Virginia Archives and History Library charges $.25 for 8 1/2 x 11 copies from microfilm and $.50 for 11 x 17 copies from microfilm on our self-service copiers. (We do not have a printer that will handle 8 1/2 x 14.) We charge $.50 for a copy from microfilm made by the staff, unless there are extenuating circumstances, such as all the self-service printers being in use, or the patron having a physical problem that prevents him from using the self-service machine, etc.

We used to allow patrons who had lots of copies to make to use a by-pass key on the coin-operated machines, then just give us a total number of copies made and settle up at the end of the day. We had three instances within a two-week period where we were taken advantage of, and discontinued the practice.

We do not have self-service photocopiers. The staff makes all photocopies. We charge $.25 for 8 1/2 x ll or 8 1/2 x 14 copies, and $.50 for 11 x 17 copies. We provide a copy of the title page from each work copied at no charge. The main reason for not having self-service photocopying is to prevent copyright abuse. The majority of the titles in our genealogy and local history-related collections was donated by the authors themselves or by historical/genealogical society who published them and are trying to at least recoup their costs, if not to make a profit. Regardless of our principles regarding copyright itself, we have to be careful for practical reasons: Our donors would not look upon us very kindly when considering future donations if we allowed the public to copy a work that said donors were trying to sell. We know of a few donors who no longer give their works to certain libraries for that very reason.

We have several sets of documents housed in our collection for which higher fees are charged for copies, but these are documents that are technically the property of other state agencies that are only on loan/in storage with the Archives, and have statutory fees. Examples would be $2.50 for an uncertified copy of a state death or birth certificate (Dept. of Health, Vital Registration), and $1.50 for a copy of a land grant (Secretary of State's office).

We have to try to meet our costs at least on the copy machines since we do not receive any funds, either from the state budget or from outside grants, to subsidize the costs. We receive very few complaints from patrons about our copy costs. The few complaints we get are from people whose public libraries "back home" only charge $.10 a copy.

-----Original Message----- From: Anne Gometz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:11 AM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: Re: [Genealib] Cost of copies

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From history at eok.lib.ok.us Mon Jan 12 12:26:03 2004 From: history at eok.lib.ok.us (MPL Genealogy) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:18:18 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Cost of copies In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <001d01c3d939$897538f0$af28a8c0@genealogy>

We charge the same price as the West Virginia Archives. We do allow the use of by-pass keys on our microfilm machines because we specified the installation of a counter that would be visible from the outside of the machine. Thus we can get a beginning count and an ending count. Because the counter is triggered only on the print command, we know exactly how much is due.

Wally Waits Muskogee Public Library Local History/Genealogy Libn. [email protected] 918-682-6657 x257

"At most living memory endures for a hundred years or so. Thereafter, even the barest outline of the past is forgotten, unless it is recorded in writing..." John Morris in Londinium: London in the Roman Empire, p. 205.

From Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org Mon Jan 12 13:44:18 2004 From: Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org (Susan Scouras) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:37:04 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Cost of copies Message-ID: <[email protected]> A counter would not have helped our situation. Our problem was not patrons who fudged the number of copies to avoid paying. We had people who claimed (perhaps in all innocence and absent-mindedness, to give them the benefit of the doubt) they had paid for a large number of copies when we knew they had not, and another who mistakenly thought she had an arrangement for free copies for an indexing project. Between them all they used up an entire, very expensive cartridge for our laser printer, leaving the library to bear the cost alone. In order to avoid future losses of both funds and good will, we stopped handing out by-pass keys.

I forgot to mention in my previous statement of copy costs that we are very generous in replacing poor copies made at the self-service machines. We also try to put two pages on one as often as possible when making standard photocopies to try to keep the patrons costs down.

-----Original Message----- From: MPL Genealogy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 12:26 PM To: 'Librarians Serving Genealogists' Subject: RE: [Genealib] Cost of copies

Wally Waits Muskogee Public Library Local History/Genealogy Libn. [email protected] 918-682-6657 x257

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From JJeffrey at denver.lib.co.us Mon Jan 12 10:11:57 2004 From: JJeffrey at denver.lib.co.us (James Jeffrey) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:06:40 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Cost of copies Message-ID:

Gang

At Denver Public Library we have varying prices for copies.

We have different prices for our copies. If the customer makes the photocopy it is a dime. That is for microfilm/fiche or regular copies. If it is done by a staff member from manuscript materials it is 25 cents per copy. If it is oversized, meaning larger than 11 x 17, it is $10. That is we have an oversize roller copier for architectural plans or large pedigree charts/maps/etc.

At present if it is mailed and is less than 30 copies it is free. It cost more to invoice and track for piddly sums than it is worth. [this is not advertized so do not tell your customers :) ]

James K. Jeffrey Collection Specialist in Genealogy Western History and Genealogy Denver Public Library

>>> [email protected] 1/12/04 8:11:07 AM >>> Folks, Thinking on a broader front here, how often do we insist that the services we offer cover their own costs? I've always understood that it was worth subsidizing photocopiers just to cut down vandalism and theft. Most people won't steal microfilm or a computer file because they can't get a printout at a price they consider reasonable so perhaps there isn't an analogous argument here. But having spent thousands of dollars to provide the access to the micromaterials or computer files, it seems strange that we might then balk at the cost of providing copies from these information sources. Having said that, now I will say that I do believe you need to charge _something_ or the service will be massively abused. This is based on personal experience with an inadvertent experiment with free copies at a former job. Anne Gometz "Mine and mine alone."

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From Suezsezso at aol.com Mon Jan 12 21:21:45 2004 From: Suezsezso at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Mon Jan 12 21:15:16 2004 Subject: [Genealib] impressed seamen Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Mary, I too found Claire's info interesting. When I was up in Washington this past week, I looked at one of these record groups, which is at Archives I. I was told the second happened to be located out at Archives II, probably because they are with State Dept. records.

They are interesting. I read maritime fiction, Horatio Hornblower, Stephen Maturin (Master & Commander, etc. and heard about the Brits impressing men, but never thought about the fact, that some of them were Americans.

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You should post them here so all can see. Laurie ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040112/9810d0c3/ attachment-0001.htm From Beavercaulk49 at cs.com Mon Jan 12 23:41:51 2004 From: Beavercaulk49 at cs.com ([email protected]) Date: Mon Jan 12 23:35:33 2004 Subject: [Genealib] OOps Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Opps! I sent my private message to the list. I'm sorry. ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040112/5bc136fc/ attachment.htm From Shari.Stelling at iowa.gov Tue Jan 13 09:05:42 2004 From: Shari.Stelling at iowa.gov (Stelling, Shari) Date: Tue Jan 13 10:03:51 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Free to a good home Message-ID: <7E977784BED5F04CB2A47C6FE6CC2C89334E92@iowadsmex01.iowa.gov.state.ia.us>

Greetings! We have the following duplicates available to libraries. Please reimburse postage with stamps. Let me know which issues you need and we'll send them out as soon as possible. Thanks! --Shari Stelling

*************************** Shari S. Stelling State Historical Society of Iowa Library 600 East Locust Des Moines, Iowa 50319 515/281-5070 [email protected] GENEALOGICAL MAGAZINE OF NEW JERSEY Jan. 2001 (Vol. 76, no.1)

GENEALOGY BULLETIN Feb. 2003 (no. 55) April 2003 (No. 56)

HISTORIC TRAVELER March/April 1995 (Vol. 1, no.2)

MISSOURI HISTORICAL REVIEW July 2002 (Vol. 96, no.4) Oct. 2002 (Vol. 97, no.1) Jan. 2003 (Vol. 97, no.2) April 2003 (Vol. 97, no.3) July 2003 (Vol. 97, no.4)

QUARTERLY (South Dakota Genealogical Society) Jan. 2004 (Vol. 23, no. 1)

QUEEN CITY HERITAGE Spring 1989 (Vol. 47, no.1) Summer 1989 (Vol. 47, no.2) Winter 1989 (Vol. 47, no.4)

NGS NEWSMAGAZINE July/Aug. 2000 (Vol. 26, no.4)

REFLECTIONS OF ICARIA Spring 2003 (Vol. 6, no. 1)

RHODE ISLAND ROOTS Sept. 1997 (Vol. 23, no.3) Dec. 1997 (Vol. 23, no.4) March/June 1998 (Vol. 24, nos.1&2) Sept/Dec. 1998 (Vol. 24, nos.3&4) March 1999 (Vol. 25, no. 1) June 1999 (Vol. 25, no.2) Sept. 1999 (Vol. 25, no.3) Dec. 1999 (Vol. 25, no.4) March 2000 (Vol. 26, no.1) June 2000 (Vol. 26, no.2) Sept. 2000 (Vol. 26, no.3) Dec. 2000 (Vol. 26, no.4) March 2001 (Vol. 27, no.1) March 2002 (Vol. 28, no.1) June 2002 (Vol. 28, no.2) Sept. 2002 (Vol. 28, no.3) Dec. 2002 (Vol. 28, no.4) March 2003 (Vol. 29, no.1)

YESTERYEARS' TRAILS Fall 2001 (Vol. 20, no. 3)

From nmaxwell at grapevine.lib.tx.us Tue Jan 13 10:57:00 2004 From: nmaxwell at grapevine.lib.tx.us (Nancy Maxwell) Date: Tue Jan 13 11:49:49 2004 Subject: [Genealib] AncestryPlus taking 30-minute breaks? References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

> "Ancestry's tech support told us that people cannot use the program if someone else has logged off within the last 30 minutes. And every time someone tries to log on, the 30-minute period starts over." >

We have this same problem, only AncestryPlus is available on all six genealogy computers. Our license allows up to 3 users at a time. I have it on my staff computer as well, and I get the message, too. If some tries to get on one of the public computers and gets the "busy signal", they tend to try the others. If the 30 min. starts every time someone tries to log on, people could be waiting a very long time! Fortunately it hasn't been that bad, but I hope it doesn't get bad before the issue is resolved.

Nancy Maxwell, Genealogy Librarian Grapevine Public Library 1201 Municipal Way Grapevine, TX 76051 Phone: 817-410-3429 Fax: 817-410-3084 E-mail: [email protected] ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040113/49a0b4bf/ attachment.htm From PIMMEL at SLOMA.state.oh.us Tue Jan 13 14:02:21 2004 From: PIMMEL at SLOMA.state.oh.us (Paul Immel) Date: Tue Jan 13 13:56:22 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Duplicates for trade Message-ID: <71FF2B6D4C93D51180BD0008C7CF0603DCDE70@EXCHSRV1>

We recently received a donation of a large number of genealogy books, some of which were duplicated in our collection. If you are interested, I am willing to trade (usually one book for another book). I am only permitted to pay postage for items I send out but not for those I receive. Please email me directly if you are interested. First come, first served. The first installment of duplicates are listed below:

TRACING ANCESTORS AMONG THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES: SOUTHEASTERN INDIANS PRIOR TO REMOVAL by Rachal Mills Lennon

SCOTS-IRISH LINKS 1575-1725, PART THREE by David Dobson

FORERUNNERS: A HISTORY OR GENEALOGY OF THE STRICKLER FAMILIES by Harry M. Strickler

THE CENTER: A GUIDE TO GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH IN THE NATIONAL CAPITAL AREA by Christina K. Schaefer

REVOLUTIONARY WAR BOUNTY LAND GRANTS AWARED BY STATE GOVERNMENTS by Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck

BRITISH ROOTS OF MARYLAND FAMILIES by Robert W. Barnes

BRITISH ROOTS OF MARYLAND FAMILIES II by Robert W. Barnes ABSTRACTS OF CECIL COUNTY, MARYLAND LAND RECORDS 1673-1751 by June D. Brown

INHABITANTS OF FREDERICK COUNTY, MARYLAND, VOLUME 2 1749-1800 by Stefanie R. Shaffer

GUIDE TO THE RECORDS OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY, MARYLAND:GENEALOGICAL AND HISTORICAL by Eleanor M.V. Cook

THE GENEALOGICAL COMPANION TO RURAL MONTGOMERY CEMETERIES by Dona L. Cuttler

THE LAND RECORDS OF PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY MARYLAND 1726-1733 abstracted by Elise Greenup Jourdan

NEW NETHERLAND ROOTS by Gwenn F. Epperson

EARLY SETTLERS OF INDIANA'S "GORE" 1803 TO 1820 compiled by Shirley Keller Mikesell

Paul Immel Genealogy Services Librarian State Library of Ohio 274 E. 1st Ave. Columbus, OH 43201 (614) 387-1186 (614) 644-6966

From RRoberts at cslib.org Tue Jan 13 15:16:37 2004 From: RRoberts at cslib.org (Richard Roberts) Date: Tue Jan 13 15:13:27 2004 Subject: [Genealib] CT State Library closed Jan. 17 & Jan. 19 Message-ID:

The Connecticut State Library will be CLOSED Saturday, January 17 and Monday, January 19 in observation of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday.

The Library is normally open Monday through Friday: 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., and Sat.: 9:00 a.m.-2:00 p.m.

The Archives/Secured Collections Research Area within the History and Genealogy Reading Room is open weekdays from 10:00 a.m. to 4:15 p.m., and Saturday: 9:15 a.m. to 1:45 p.m.

The Museum of Connecticut History is open Monday-Friday: 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m., and Saturday: 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m..

The Library and Museum are closed on Sundays, State Holidays (152kb PDF), and Saturdays when a holiday observance is on a Friday or Monday.

Richard C. Roberts Unit Head History and Genealogy Unit Connecticut State Library 231 Capitol Ave. Hartford, CT 06106-1537 (860) 757-6580 FAX (860) 757-6677 http://www.cslib.org/handg.htm From pkeroack at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 17:37:58 2004 From: pkeroack at yahoo.com (paul keroack) Date: Tue Jan 13 20:30:39 2004 Subject: [Genealib] cataloging software for small genealogy libraries Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I am attempting to help a small genealogy library recatalog their collection. This is a volunteer project. I am a reference librarian, not a cataloger. What I am hoping to find is some advice on available cataloging software for a collection of a few thousand titles at most. We have a little money but not a lot of volunteers so this may have to be accomplished slowly. So far, I am aware of "LibraryCom Standard Service" and "Book Collection" from www.portable-software.com, a British-based firm. Does anyone have good/bad experience with these, or know of any other similar inexpensive systems that I could check out? Thank you,

Paul Keroack

Norwalk Public Library, CT (reference) French Canadian Genealogical Society of CT (volunteer)

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I set up our genealogical society library catalog using MS Excel By experimenting with the spreadsheet I find that I can do a search in any column. You can set your own headings, and after a little trial and error, it works fine for us. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul keroack" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: [Genealib] cataloging software for small genealogy libraries

> I am attempting to help a small genealogy library > recatalog their collection. This is a volunteer > project. I am a reference librarian, not a cataloger. > What I am hoping to find is some advice on available > cataloging software for a collection of a few thousand > titles at most. We have a little money but not a lot > of volunteers so this may have to be accomplished > slowly. > So far, I am aware of "LibraryCom Standard Service" > and "Book Collection" from www.portable-software.com, > a British-based firm. > Does anyone have good/bad experience with these, or > know of any other similar inexpensive systems that I > could check out? > Thank you, > > Paul Keroack > > Norwalk Public Library, CT (reference) > French Canadian Genealogical Society of CT (volunteer) > > > > ______> Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From ikie4 at netzero.com Tue Jan 13 20:45:58 2004 From: ikie4 at netzero.com (Don Finel) Date: Tue Jan 13 23:41:24 2004 Subject: [Genealib] cataloging software for small genealogy libraries References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <002c01c3da59$50c61850$4fe04b43@YOURB20C2DDB86>

Regarding a cataloging software program, we at the Clark County Genealogy Society recently installed and are using a program called Readerware. The website for it is - http://www.readerware.com/

I do not know of its origin, U.S. or foreign, but it seems to be doing much better than our "homemade" program. We have something like almost 5000 items entered now, but it would work fine for a smaller collection.

We decided it was ok enough to provide an affiliate link on our website,

Don Finel CCGS volunteer librarian www.ccgs-wa.org

From sdcc9 at pacbell.net Tue Jan 13 22:15:11 2004 From: sdcc9 at pacbell.net (Shirley deCoup-Crank) Date: Wed Jan 14 01:07:51 2004 Subject: [Genealib] cataloging software for small genealogy libraries References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <001b01c3da65$c4a97da0$0400a8c0@shirley>

We at the Paradise CA Genealogical Library are using MS Access which allows us to sort by columns: DD#, Name Alpha etc. and print only the columns we want for a list. Once set up, it was easy for the volunteers to use. We have about 4000 books and another list for our CD's. The lists are online at www.pargenso.org .

----- Original Message ----- From: "paul keroack" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: [Genealib] cataloging software for small genealogy libraries

> I am attempting to help a small genealogy library > recatalog their collection. This is a volunteer > project. I am a reference librarian, not a cataloger.>Clip > > Thank you, > > Paul Keroack > > Norwalk Public Library, CT (reference) > French Canadian Genealogical Society of CT (volunteer) > genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From ebireland at earthlink.net Wed Jan 14 07:09:27 2004 From: ebireland at earthlink.net (Everett B. Ireland) Date: Wed Jan 14 10:02:25 2004 Subject: [Genealib] cataloging software for small genealogy libraries In-Reply-To: <002c01c3da59$50c61850$4fe04b43@YOURB20C2DDB86> References: <[email protected]> <002c01c3da59$50c61850$4fe04b43@YOURB20C2DDB86> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

According to a review in a Mac magazine it is: Readerware Corporation P.O. Box 2053 Clearlake CA 95422-2053. That is in Northern California. Everet Ireland

Don Finel wrote:

>Regarding a cataloging software program, we at the Clark County Genealogy >Society recently installed and are using a program called Readerware. The >website for it is - http://www.readerware.com/ > >I do not know of its origin, U.S. or foreign, but it seems to be doing much >better than our "homemade" program. We have something like almost 5000 >items entered now, but it would work fine for a smaller collection. > >We decided it was ok enough to provide an affiliate link on our website, > >Don Finel >CCGS volunteer librarian >www.ccgs-wa.org > >______>genealib mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > >

-- Everett B. Ireland, CGRS CGRS is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations.

From pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us Wed Jan 14 11:45:14 2004 From: pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us (Pam Cooper) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:35:41 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Authenticate Ancestry Message-ID:

Is anyone else getting this message? Lately, it has been frequent and frustrating. We have to completely back out of the program and start over. It does not let us go back or forward. We were not able to authenticate you. Please try accessing the database again. If you still have problems, see your librarian, teacher, or system administrator Pam

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

From zmoore at library.state.nh.us Wed Jan 14 11:52:32 2004 From: zmoore at library.state.nh.us ([email protected]) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:44:59 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Authenticate Ancestry Message-ID:

Pamela,

Yes, we have had this problem for over a year but I think it has finally been resolved by the people at Gale...not "the librarian, teacher, or system administrator."

Zelda Moore, Genealogy Librarian New Hampshire State Library

-----Original Message----- From: Pam Cooper [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:45 AM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: [Genealib] Authenticate Ancestry

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From SKirby at boelter-yates.com Wed Jan 14 11:27:17 2004 From: SKirby at boelter-yates.com (Sarah Kirby) Date: Wed Jan 14 12:19:55 2004 Subject: [Genealib] RE: cataloging software for small genealogy libraries Message-ID: <[email protected]>

The SLA's Solo librarian listserv has discussions on this topic from time-to-time. The latest discussion has bee added to a summary report and posted on their website.

Go to http://www.sla.org/division/dsol/surveys.html

Then look at both of the "survey" options.

There are a number of good and inexpensive programs out there.

My own experience with using Excel as a temporary catalog is that it works well, but once you get up to about 2000 records, you may notice some system slowing (depends on your CPU speed and RAM). You can use Excels filtering function, in conjunction with the find function, to produce just about any type of list imagineable that you can then print. If you're not sure what type of software you want/need, it's probably a good place to figure out what's needed.

MSAccess is also a good option, but it may cost you as much as one of the cataloging options if you don't already have it, and then you have to design the database (unless you can get a definition from someone on this listserv). It is also a bit harder to maintain than Excel (i.e. requires more technical expertise if you want more/different reports).

______Sarah A. V. Kirby Corporate Librarian and Research Assistant Boelter & Yates, Inc. [email protected] 847-685-9284

From kathy.petras1 at medina.lib.oh.us Wed Jan 14 13:27:16 2004 From: kathy.petras1 at medina.lib.oh.us (Kathy Petras) Date: Wed Jan 14 13:24:03 2004 Subject: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock... Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Dear Colleagues,

We have passed a building bond levy and are planning major renovation of our central branch which houses our local history and genealogy collection. Right now we have a small room, nicely appointed, with locked doors. We have no security system. We do not staff the room. We open the doors for patrons and answer questions and assist as needed.

The architects that we are working with are currently working on the renovation plans. The newer genealogy local history room will be bigger, with more microfilm machines, shelving and computers. The library will be installing a security system for the whole branch. We still do not plan to staff the room in the immediate future. Right now the plans show an open "portal" without any doors. I am strongly in favor of having doors that are lockable. While none of the collection has huge monetary value, many items are irreplaceable.

Our staff meeting is next Monday and I plan to bring the issue up for everyone to discuss. But I think it would be helpful to hear how most other libraries would handle this situation. I would appreciate your comments.

Thank you, Kathy Petras Reference Staff Medina County District Library

From Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org Wed Jan 14 13:56:38 2004 From: Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org (Susan Scouras) Date: Wed Jan 14 13:49:27 2004 Subject: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock... Message-ID: <[email protected]>

With the addition of the computers and microfilm, I think having an extra locked door between your special room and the library building in general is a very good idea as an extra deterrent to thieves and vandals. In addition, you can still maintain open access during regular library hours, then close off that room when other parts of the building are in use for meetings or other gatherings after hours. Point out to your planners that problems with security may develop after the renovated room has been in use for awhile, and that starting off with a lockable set of doors will be much cheaper and easier than trying to get them installed later if the need arises.

Our library is housed in a building that is used for many public functions. The only elevator that can be used by exhibitors and caterers is located in a hallway in the middle of the library's main floor rooms. After hours we can shut locked doors leading into this hallway from the staff offices, the main Reading Room and the Microfilm rooms, leaving open only the access to the hallway leading to the public spaces.

-----Original Message----- From: Kathy Petras [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock...

Dear Colleagues,

Thank you, Kathy Petras Reference Staff Medina County District Library

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Hi! We would be interested in New Netherland Roots. I don't know if we have anything to trade, though. (I'm new to this, and have never done a book swap before.) Could you make a suggestion of something you would like? Linda Tantillo Rosendale Library Rosendale, NY 12561

From: Paul Immel Reply-To: Librarians Serving Genealogists To: "'[email protected]'" Subject: [Genealib] Duplicates for trade Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:02:21 -0500

TRACING ANCESTORS AMONG THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES: SOUTHEASTERN INDIANS PRIOR TO REMOVAL by Rachal Mills Lennon

SCOTS-IRISH LINKS 1575-1725, PART THREE by David Dobson

FORERUNNERS: A HISTORY OR GENEALOGY OF THE STRICKLER FAMILIES by Harry M. Strickler

THE CENTER: A GUIDE TO GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH IN THE NATIONAL CAPITAL AREA by Christina K. Schaefer

REVOLUTIONARY WAR BOUNTY LAND GRANTS AWARED BY STATE GOVERNMENTS by Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck

BRITISH ROOTS OF MARYLAND FAMILIES by Robert W. Barnes

BRITISH ROOTS OF MARYLAND FAMILIES II by Robert W. Barnes

ABSTRACTS OF CECIL COUNTY, MARYLAND LAND RECORDS 1673-1751 by June D. Brown

INHABITANTS OF FREDERICK COUNTY, MARYLAND, VOLUME 2 1749-1800 by Stefanie R. Shaffer

GUIDE TO THE RECORDS OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY, MARYLAND:GENEALOGICAL AND HISTORICAL by Eleanor M.V. Cook

THE GENEALOGICAL COMPANION TO RURAL MONTGOMERY CEMETERIES by Dona L. Cuttler

THE LAND RECORDS OF PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY MARYLAND 1726-1733 abstracted by Elise Greenup Jourdan

NEW NETHERLAND ROOTS by Gwenn F. Epperson

EARLY SETTLERS OF INDIANA'S "GORE" 1803 TO 1820 compiled by Shirley Keller Mikesell

Paul Immel Genealogy Services Librarian State Library of Ohio 274 E. 1st Ave. Columbus, OH 43201 (614) 387-1186 (614) 644-6966

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From jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us Wed Jan 14 14:58:24 2004 From: jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us (Joyce A. McMullin) Date: Wed Jan 14 14:50:13 2004 Subject: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock... References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Kathy & all- I vote for the lockable door. Our room is staffed. We are in an urban downtown setting and having a glass door set in a glass wall, believe it or not, is a deterrent to the street types. Then there was the "discussion" over seating. No comfy upholstered seating to attract sleepers, just wood seats at wood tables and carrels in a research setting. We are not open on Sundays when the rest of the building is open. When that schedule change occurred, we got a lock installed on the door that was there from the beginning. From our virtual tour, here's the door, the lock & the wood chairs! http://www.alexandria.lib.va.us/lhsc/tour/door_open.html Joyce

Kathy Petras wrote:

>Dear Colleagues, > > We have passed a building bond levy and are planning >major renovation of our central branch which houses >our local history and genealogy collection. Right now >we have a small room, nicely appointed, with locked doors. >We have no security system. We do not staff the room. >We open the doors for patrons and answer questions and >assist as needed. > > The architects that we are working with are currently >working on the renovation plans. The newer genealogy >local history room will be bigger, with more microfilm >machines, shelving and computers. The library will >be installing a security system for the whole branch. >We still do not plan to staff the room in the immediate >future. Right now the plans show an open "portal" >without any doors. I am strongly in favor of having >doors that are lockable. While none of the collection >has huge monetary value, many items are irreplaceable. > > Our staff meeting is next Monday and I plan to bring >the issue up for everyone to discuss. But I think it would >be helpful to hear how most other libraries would handle >this situation. I would appreciate your comments. > >Thank you, >Kathy Petras >Reference Staff >Medina County District Library > >______>genealib mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > > >

From ggrunow at ci.newport-news.va.us Wed Jan 14 15:06:49 2004 From: ggrunow at ci.newport-news.va.us (Gregg Grunow) Date: Wed Jan 14 15:01:37 2004 Subject: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock... In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID:

Kathy and All

I vote for the locked doors too. We staff our room and are open the same hours as the rest of the library. We have a lockable door and a 3M Security gate. The door is rarely locked but it is nice to have just in case. We did lock it for extra security when Hurricane Isabel came through. If we didn't have the room staff continually I would think we would lock the room so as not to lose our irreplacables.

Gregg Grunow Virginiana Room Librarian Newport News Public Library system Newport News, VA

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:58:24 -0500 "Joyce A. McMullin" wrote: > Kathy & all- > I vote for the lockable door. Our room is staffed. We > are in an urban downtown setting and having a glass door > set in a glass wall, believe it or not, is a deterrent to > the street types. Then there was the "discussion" over > seating. No comfy upholstered seating to attract > sleepers, just wood seats at wood tables and carrels in a > research setting. We are not open on Sundays when the > rest of the building is open. When that schedule change > occurred, we got a lock installed on the door that was > there from the beginning. > From our virtual tour, here's the door, the lock & the > wood chairs! > http://www.alexandria.lib.va.us/lhsc/tour/door_open.html > Joyce > > Kathy Petras wrote: > > >Dear Colleagues, > > > > We have passed a building bond levy and are planning > >major renovation of our central branch which houses > >our local history and genealogy collection. Right now > >we have a small room, nicely appointed, with locked > doors. > >We have no security system. We do not staff the room. > >We open the doors for patrons and answer questions and > >assist as needed. > > > > The architects that we are working with are currently > >working on the renovation plans. The newer genealogy > >local history room will be bigger, with more microfilm > >machines, shelving and computers. The library will > >be installing a security system for the whole branch. > >We still do not plan to staff the room in the immediate > >future. Right now the plans show an open "portal" > >without any doors. I am strongly in favor of having > >doors that are lockable. While none of the collection > >has huge monetary value, many items are irreplaceable. > > > > Our staff meeting is next Monday and I plan to bring > >the issue up for everyone to discuss. But I think it > would > >be helpful to hear how most other libraries would handle > >this situation. I would appreciate your comments. > > > >Thank you, > >Kathy Petras > >Reference Staff > >Medina County District Library > > > >______> >genealib mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > > > > > > > > > -- > Joyce A. McMullin, Manager > Alexandria Library, Special Collections > 717 Queen Street > Alexandria, VA 22314 USA > Phone: 703.838.4577 x 211 > FAX: 703.706.3912 > Special Collections Gateway: > http://www.alexandria.lib.va.us/lhsc/special_collections_home.html > > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

Gregg Grunow Virginiana Room Librarian Newport News Public Library System Main Street Library 110 Main St. Newport News, VA 23601 757-591-4858 (phone) 757-591-4826 (fax) [email protected] From jbrannan at uwa.edu Wed Jan 14 14:12:21 2004 From: jbrannan at uwa.edu (Brannan, Joyce A.) Date: Wed Jan 14 15:05:01 2004 Subject: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock... Message-ID:

Ours lock. Our room is not staffed, but people are accompanied into the room. They may take the materials into an area where they are supervised. Unfortunately, it seems that many people think because the material is about their family, they have a right to the material.

Joyce A. Brannan Technical Services Librarian University of West Alabama Livingston, AL 35470 205-652-3677 205-652-3424

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Joyce A. McMullin Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:58 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: Re: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock...

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Kathy:

I am a retired genealogy librarian.

Before we moved into the new building we had all kinds of vandalism and finally had a door put on and it was locked when no staff was available. We always had staff to answer questions and help patrons find material etc. The microfilm was in the reference area and was unattended most of the time. Through the years a good deal of it was stolen. In the new building that all changed for the better.

Phyllis Leedom Retired Indiana Room Librarian Anderson Public Library Anderson, IN

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Petras" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock...

> Dear Colleagues, > > We have passed a building bond levy and are planning > major renovation of our central branch which houses > our local history and genealogy collection. Right now > we have a small room, nicely appointed, with locked doors. > We have no security system. We do not staff the room. > We open the doors for patrons and answer questions and > assist as needed. > > The architects that we are working with are currently > working on the renovation plans. The newer genealogy > local history room will be bigger, with more microfilm > machines, shelving and computers. The library will > be installing a security system for the whole branch. > We still do not plan to staff the room in the immediate > future. Right now the plans show an open "portal" > without any doors. I am strongly in favor of having > doors that are lockable. While none of the collection > has huge monetary value, many items are irreplaceable. > > Our staff meeting is next Monday and I plan to bring > the issue up for everyone to discuss. But I think it would > be helpful to hear how most other libraries would handle > this situation. I would appreciate your comments. > > Thank you, > Kathy Petras > Reference Staff > Medina County District Library > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From ksmith at aapld.org Wed Jan 14 14:45:51 2004 From: ksmith at aapld.org (Kristen Smith) Date: Wed Jan 14 15:33:53 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Authenticate Ancestry Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Pam,

This is just a thought, but when this happens you might want to try deleting the cookies and restarting Internet Explorer. I find that the authentication message usually comes up when someone has been signing in to thier own Ancestry.com account. (For example, someone might store their family tree online at Ancestry.com) Later, when someone tries to access AncestryPlus the computer gets "confused" about which account is being accessed.

I have noticed recently that sometimes I will be in AncestryPlus and I might click on a link and suddenly the format changes to the Ancestry.com layout. This phenomenon may also be contributing to the authentication woes.

Whatever the cause, I have found that deleting old cookies and restarting the browser usually fixes the problem:

Within Internet Explorer: Click on Tools > Internet Options Delete Cookies Delete Files Clear History Click on OK

If you don't want to "back out of the program", you can try deleting the cookies without restarting the browser. I'm not sure if it works because I haven't tried it, but it might be worth a shot. Hope this helps.

Kristen Smith Reference Librarian Algonquin Area Public Library District

-----Original Message----- From: Pam Cooper [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wed 1/14/2004 10:45 AM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Cc: Subject: [Genealib] Authenticate Ancestry

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

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We staff the department, but patrons work on their own unless they ask for assistance. (We ask those who look lost or confused if they need assistance).

We have always had a door that locked. We have 11 reader/printers, 7 computers, and a photocopier, along with our books and microforms and 1400 linear feet or archival materials. Now that we open directly on to the front lobby of the building, which is open at times when the department is closed, we are very glad to be able to lock the door when we leave.

While you may not believe you have any book of great value, try to replace it. Our department was 80 years old last year. Some of our books are older than the department. Occasionally we have a lost book or a worn out book that needs to be replaced. It is amazing how expensive some replacement costs can be.

Christopher Stokes Washington Memorial Library Genealogical and Historical Room 1180 Washington Avenue Macon, Georgia 31201-1790 Kathy Petras wrote:

> Dear Colleagues, > > We have passed a building bond levy and are planning > major renovation of our central branch which houses > our local history and genealogy collection. Right now > we have a small room, nicely appointed, with locked doors. > We have no security system. We do not staff the room. > We open the doors for patrons and answer questions and > assist as needed. > > The architects that we are working with are currently > working on the renovation plans. The newer genealogy > local history room will be bigger, with more microfilm > machines, shelving and computers. The library will > be installing a security system for the whole branch. > We still do not plan to staff the room in the immediate > future. Right now the plans show an open "portal" > without any doors. I am strongly in favor of having > doors that are lockable. While none of the collection > has huge monetary value, many items are irreplaceable. > > Our staff meeting is next Monday and I plan to bring > the issue up for everyone to discuss. But I think it would > be helpful to hear how most other libraries would handle > this situation. I would appreciate your comments. > > Thank you, > Kathy Petras > Reference Staff > Medina County District Library > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From jbrannan at uwa.edu Wed Jan 14 14:47:23 2004 From: jbrannan at uwa.edu (Brannan, Joyce A.) Date: Wed Jan 14 15:40:02 2004 Subject: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock... Message-ID:

Some replacement will be impossible. We have handwritten letters from the Civil War, files of compiled materials, huge scrapbooks of local history, and a handwritten cross reference index to early court records.

Joyce A. Brannan Technical Services Librarian University of West Alabama Livingston, AL 35470 205-652-3677 205-652-3424

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of washingg Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:43 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: Re: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock...

We staff the department, but patrons work on their own unless they ask for assistance. (We ask those who look lost or confused if they need assistance).

Christopher Stokes Washington Memorial Library Genealogical and Historical Room 1180 Washington Avenue Macon, Georgia 31201-1790

Kathy Petras wrote:

> Dear Colleagues, > > We have passed a building bond levy and are planning > major renovation of our central branch which houses > our local history and genealogy collection. Right now > we have a small room, nicely appointed, with locked doors. > We have no security system. We do not staff the room. > We open the doors for patrons and answer questions and > assist as needed. > > The architects that we are working with are currently > working on the renovation plans. The newer genealogy > local history room will be bigger, with more microfilm > machines, shelving and computers. The library will > be installing a security system for the whole branch. > We still do not plan to staff the room in the immediate > future. Right now the plans show an open "portal" > without any doors. I am strongly in favor of having > doors that are lockable. While none of the collection > has huge monetary value, many items are irreplaceable. > > Our staff meeting is next Monday and I plan to bring > the issue up for everyone to discuss. But I think it would > be helpful to hear how most other libraries would handle > this situation. I would appreciate your comments. > > Thank you, > Kathy Petras > Reference Staff > Medina County District Library > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From tneel at ogs.org Wed Jan 14 15:59:28 2004 From: tneel at ogs.org (Tom Neel) Date: Wed Jan 14 15:46:30 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Cataloging Message-ID: <004001c3dae9$aec83f60$6501a8c0@librarian>

Paul, We use a cataloging program from SIRS, Boca Raton FL called Mandarin. It is in the $1500 to $3500 price range depending on options and is made for small users - mostly school libraries. I think we were among their first genealogical library clients. They have a lot of users in Canada. We have been fairly satisfied. We are a poor non-profit that could not afford any of the programs found in public libraries. Our web site is http://www.ogs.org and I believe you can still access the catalog from the front page. We have 26,000 volumes and I have around 17,000 in the catalog so far. We have just two full-time and I am the only librarian but I have had one intern and one volunteer who have caught on well and are helping me with the cataloging. We still have our old cards for the 9000 titles that aren't in the computer yet. There are probably other companies that offer small library options as well. If we are ever able to afford to link into OhioLink or WorldCat or something like that, I think it will be possible using a professional MARC-based program rather than just something we have created. If you get someone that is good in designing Access databases, you might be able to come up with something that would meet your needs for almost nothing. I wasn't sure what "little money" meant in Norwalk CT (from someone who lives just a few miles south of Norwalk OH in the Firelands). Thanks! Tom Neel, Library Director Ohio Genealogical Society ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040114/6bc9c9b2/ attachment.htm From history at eok.lib.ok.us Wed Jan 14 14:59:44 2004 From: history at eok.lib.ok.us (MPL Genealogy) Date: Wed Jan 14 15:51:52 2004 Subject: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock... In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <002401c3dae1$56215e30$af28a8c0@genealogy>

We had a fine Indian collection at one time that included everything from original photos, native baskets and fine old books that were housed in a special room that was lockable. Under new administration, the doors were thrown open and material started disappearing.

Based on our experiences, I believe that a proper inventory, i.e., full cataloging, with identification/security tags, etc., is necessary, no matter whether you have a secure area or not. If you can add to the level of security by dedicating space that can be locked, do so. But do not lock the doors in place of electronically securing material. Additionally, any staff reductions in the future will allow you to close this section off.

The other question that arises is how do you treat your collection? Is it to be a closed-stack collection? While locking material in a room effectively prevents patron access and provides security, this option also impacts library operations. Who will make the decision to open up access to the collection? Who will have the responsibility for supervising use of the material once a patron is admitted? If this area is under-staffed, you will find that material will still disappear, just at a slower rate.

Please do consider the use of lighting with low UV emission. And also allow practically no outside light. UV radiation is detrimental to long time paper life. After all, the material in your genealogy collection will be long-term reference items.

Also, have HVAC vents positioned to blow down aisles rather than across stacks. You will not want a microclimate to promote any mold that might develop.

Good luck, you will have an exciting experience,

Wally Waits Muskogee Public Library Local History/Genealogy Libn. [email protected] 918-682-6657 x257

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We keep our unstaffed local history/genealogy roomed locked. People have to sign in at the reference desk and leave a picture id to use the collection. We try to get an idea of what items people are going to use. This procedure has drastically reduced theft/vandalism. Also, alll books have a security strip. Microfilm and machines are out in the open reference area, but theft has not been a problem there.

Janis L. Franco Local History Librarian Meriden Public Library 105 Miller St., P.O. Box 868 Meriden, CT 06450

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From ohf640 at juno.com Wed Jan 14 18:58:32 2004 From: ohf640 at juno.com (Jamie Ferrell) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:00:34 2004 Subject: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock... Message-ID: <[email protected]>

As a genealogist - I have visited various research site. I never have a problem showing ID or getting a key for a secure room. As a laptop user it is especially nice-- however what does aggravates me is when the room is lock because a librarian is unavailable. As a competent researcher - I need little help. My schedule is usually tight as I coordinate with business trips - one library I visited had doors that were locked on the outside so you weren't locked in but no one could come in without see reference for a key. Only tough thing was bathroom breaks.

Barbara Ferrell Cuyahoga Falls Oh

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Thanks, Tom - Actually its the French Canadian Genealogical Society that I am asking about, not the library where I am employed. Thansk for the advice, though. Paul Keroack

--- Tom Neel wrote: > Paul, > We use a cataloging program from SIRS, Boca Raton FL > called Mandarin. It is in the $1500 to $3500 price > range depending on options and is made for small > users - mostly school libraries. I think we were > among their first genealogical library clients. They > have a lot of users in Canada. We have been fairly > satisfied. We are a poor non-profit that could not > afford any of the programs found in public > libraries. > Our web site is http://www.ogs.org and I believe you > can still access the catalog from the front page. > We have 26,000 volumes and I have around 17,000 in > the catalog so far. We have just two full-time and I > am the only librarian but I have had one intern and > one volunteer who have caught on well and are > helping me with the cataloging. We still have our > old cards for the 9000 titles that aren't in the > computer yet. > There are probably other companies that offer small > library options as well. If we are ever able to > afford to link into OhioLink or WorldCat or > something like that, I think it will be possible > using a professional MARC-based program rather than > just something we have created. > If you get someone that is good in designing Access > databases, you might be able to come up with > something that would meet your needs for almost > nothing. > I wasn't sure what "little money" meant in Norwalk > CT (from someone who lives just a few miles south of > Norwalk OH in the Firelands). > Thanks! > Tom Neel, Library Director > Ohio Genealogical Society > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

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Sarah, Thank you for the advice and the referral to the SLA site Paul Keroack

--- Sarah Kirby wrote: > The SLA's Solo librarian listserv has discussions on > this topic from > time-to-time. The latest discussion has bee added > to a summary report > and posted on their website. > > Go to http://www.sla.org/division/dsol/surveys.html > > Then look at both of the "survey" options. > > There are a number of good and inexpensive programs > out there. > > My own experience with using Excel as a temporary > catalog is that it > works well, but once you get up to about 2000 > records, you may notice > some system slowing (depends on your CPU speed and > RAM). You can use > Excels filtering function, in conjunction with the > find function, to > produce just about any type of list imagineable that > you can then print. > If you're not sure what type of software you > want/need, it's probably a > good place to figure out what's needed. > > MSAccess is also a good option, but it may cost you > as much as one of > the cataloging options if you don't already have it, > and then you have > to design the database (unless you can get a > definition from someone on > this listserv). It is also a bit harder to maintain > than Excel (i.e. > requires more technical expertise if you want > more/different reports). > > ______> Sarah A. V. Kirby > Corporate Librarian and Research Assistant > Boelter & Yates, Inc. > [email protected] > 847-685-9284 > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

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Shirley, Thank you - I'll check it out Paul Keroack

--- Shirley deCoup-Crank wrote: > We at the Paradise CA Genealogical Library are using > MS Access which allows > us to sort by columns: DD#, Name Alpha etc. and > print only the columns we > want for a list. Once set up, it was easy for the > volunteers to use. We > have about 4000 books and another list for our CD's. > The lists are online > at www.pargenso.org . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "paul keroack" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:37 PM > Subject: [Genealib] cataloging software for small > genealogy libraries > > > > I am attempting to help a small genealogy library > > recatalog their collection. This is a volunteer > > project. I am a reference librarian, not a > cataloger.>Clip > > > > Thank you, > > > > Paul Keroack > > > > Norwalk Public Library, CT (reference) > > French Canadian Genealogical Society of CT > (volunteer) > > > genealib mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

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Don, Thanks for the website and the information. Paul Keroack --- Don Finel wrote: > Regarding a cataloging software program, we at the > Clark County Genealogy > Society recently installed and are using a program > called Readerware. The > website for it is - http://www.readerware.com/ > > I do not know of its origin, U.S. or foreign, but it > seems to be doing much > better than our "homemade" program. We have > something like almost 5000 > items entered now, but it would work fine for a > smaller collection. > > We decided it was ok enough to provide an affiliate > link on our website, > > Don Finel > CCGS volunteer librarian > www.ccgs-wa.org > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

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I've been reading these comments about locking or not locking your genealogy sections. While I am not a librarian, I do feel strongly about this issue. If you design a room to lock, use that lock.

There is a county library in a southern state that I've been to several times and am sure I will need to return to. However, they no longer lock or even staff their special genealogy room. As a genealogist, I would be ashamed if I lived in that community.

At one time this apparently was a top-notch genealogy department. Today, the room is never locked. File cabinets that were designed to be locked are no longer. Most of those locks are broken. Someone thought these papers were valuable at one time. The files are very disorganized. Signs tell you not to reshelf books, yet the librarians don't reshelf very often either since 3 days after my first visit, books that had been stacked to be reshelfed on my first visit were still sitting there--along with those books used during the past 3 days. Many books were reshelved improperly which made it hard to find things.

I don't know if any of the papers from the file cabinets are missing but I'm guessing so. Papers are much easier to hide in your folder then a book. And I know there are books missing because there is a book (still listed in the catalog) that is missing. And it is one that I really need to see. The sad thing is, I can't find that book anywhere else. And I have been searching. Apparently the book was privately published so there is a limited number of them printed. I am positive there are others missing as well.

What happened? We were told that a previous librarian who was very supportive of genealogists had helped built this collection up. When he retired, no one in the library system was interested enough to fight to protect the records. "And the rest is history," as Paul Harvey used to say.

I vote for locked rooms that are used in that way--kept locked and staffed. I also think it is up to us genealogists to take care of these valuable collections. And, unfortunately be on guard for those people that want to steal or distroy the records.

Laurie

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Genealib Listees,

I for one would appreciate it if those who post to this list identify themselves with more than a name and e-mail address. Including position, affiliation and geographical location is a minor inconvenience for the sender but can be helpful to the reader. If the author wants to remain anonymous, that's fine, but it should be so stated as intentional.

George Anderson Librarian Livermore-Amador Genealogical Society Livermore, CA [email protected]

From PIMMEL at SLOMA.state.oh.us Thu Jan 15 07:35:36 2004 From: PIMMEL at SLOMA.state.oh.us (Paul Immel) Date: Thu Jan 15 07:29:37 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Duplicates for trade Message-ID: <71FF2B6D4C93D51180BD0008C7CF0603DCDE84@EXCHSRV1>

Hi Linda,

New Netherland Roots is still available. The State Library of Ohio primarily focuses its genealogy and local history collection upon Ohio and the states in the New England, Middle Atlantic, and Southern Border (including Tennessee and North Carolina) regions. However, we are also expanding due to the greater diversity of our clientele into the Deep South and five selected Midwestern States (Mich., Ind., Ill., Ia., and Mo.). However, any title you have to offer within or outside these areas will be considered for trade (as long as we don't already have a copy in our collection). We accept all genealogical and local historical materials except archival and disorganized (like handwritten notebooks) materials. I'll hold New Netherland Roots for you and await your response. As for mailing, postage is paid by the sender of the book in this trade. Let me know. Thanks for responding!

Paul

Paul Immel Genealogy Services Librarian State Library of Ohio 274 E. 1st Ave. Columbus, OH 43201 (614) 387-1186 (614) 644-6966

> ------> From: linda tantillo[SMTP:[email protected]] > Reply To: Librarians Serving Genealogists > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Genealib] Duplicates for trade > > Hi! > We would be interested in New Netherland Roots. I don't know if we have > anything to trade, though. (I'm new to this, and have never done a book > swap > before.) Could you make a suggestion of something you would like? > Linda Tantillo > Rosendale Library > Rosendale, NY 12561 > > From: Paul Immel > Reply-To: Librarians Serving Genealogists > To: "'[email protected]'" > Subject: [Genealib] Duplicates for trade > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:02:21 -0500 > > We recently received a donation of a large number of genealogy books, some > of which were duplicated in our collection. If you are interested, I am > willing to trade (usually one book for another book). I am only permitted > to pay postage for items I send out but not for those I receive. Please > email me directly if you are interested. First come, first served. The > first installment of duplicates are listed below: > > TRACING ANCESTORS AMONG THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES: SOUTHEASTERN INDIANS > PRIOR TO REMOVAL by Rachal Mills Lennon > > SCOTS-IRISH LINKS 1575-1725, PART THREE by David Dobson > > FORERUNNERS: A HISTORY OR GENEALOGY OF THE STRICKLER FAMILIES by Harry M. > Strickler > > THE CENTER: A GUIDE TO GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH IN THE NATIONAL CAPITAL AREA > by > Christina K. Schaefer > > REVOLUTIONARY WAR BOUNTY LAND GRANTS AWARED BY STATE GOVERNMENTS by Lloyd > DeWitt Bockstruck > > BRITISH ROOTS OF MARYLAND FAMILIES by Robert W. Barnes > > BRITISH ROOTS OF MARYLAND FAMILIES II by Robert W. Barnes > > ABSTRACTS OF CECIL COUNTY, MARYLAND LAND RECORDS 1673-1751 by June D. > Brown > > INHABITANTS OF FREDERICK COUNTY, MARYLAND, VOLUME 2 1749-1800 by Stefanie > R. > Shaffer > > GUIDE TO THE RECORDS OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY, MARYLAND:GENEALOGICAL AND > HISTORICAL by Eleanor M.V. Cook > > THE GENEALOGICAL COMPANION TO RURAL MONTGOMERY CEMETERIES by Dona L. > Cuttler > > THE LAND RECORDS OF PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY MARYLAND 1726-1733 abstracted > by > Elise Greenup Jourdan > > NEW NETHERLAND ROOTS by Gwenn F. Epperson > > EARLY SETTLERS OF INDIANA'S "GORE" 1803 TO 1820 compiled by Shirley Keller > Mikesell > > Paul Immel > Genealogy Services Librarian > State Library of Ohio > 274 E. 1st Ave. > Columbus, OH 43201 > (614) 387-1186 > (614) 644-6966 > > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > ______> Find out everything you need to know about Las Vegas here for that > getaway. > http://special.msn.com/msnbc/vivalasvegas.armx > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > From jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us Thu Jan 15 09:03:44 2004 From: jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us (Joyce A. McMullin) Date: Thu Jan 15 08:55:31 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Position vacancy - Alexandria, VA Message-ID: <[email protected]> January 15, 2004

LIBRARIAN I - PT/20 HOURS - (GRADE 15) AVAILABLE P/P BEG. JAN. 31, 2004

LOCAL HISTORY/SPECIAL COLLECTIONS AT THE BARRETT LIBRARY

DUTIES: The Librarian I provides professional reference service to patrons encompassing Alexandria and Virginia history and genealogy and the Civil War. The work is always interesting. Patrons and their information needs vary: from homeowners casually researching the history of their home to undergraduate or graduate students on a project, professional researchers and writers, as well as genealogical researchers. A chief additional responsibility is the collection of 23,000+ photographs. Other responsibilities include making acquisition and de-selection recommendations, development and execution of digital imaging and web projects. The Librarian I is supervised by the Manager, Local History/Special Collections and may give guidance to paraprofessional staff.

SCHEDULE: 20 hours per week. Hours are scheduled to meet the staff needs of the Library and includes days, generally one evening per week, participation in the division's Saturday rotation and one or two Sundays per year at the Barrett Library Reference Desk.

QUALIFICATIONS: Only candidates with a master's degree from a library/information studies program accredited by the American Library Association will be considered. A strong desire to participate in our web development projects is a plus.

SALARY: $17.487 - $19.279 per hour DOQ. Eligible for pro-rated annual leave, sick leave, health insurance, and City retirement plan.

CONTACT: Fax a resume to: 703-706-3912, or Apply online: http://www.alexandria.lib.va.us/main/job_board/view_job_board.pxe OUF.

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Our materials used to be locked, but about 1980 the doors and locks were removed. The increasing use, plus the fact that the shelves were maybe three feet apart, made bumping into the glass doors a constant experience. Of course, the front doors are lockable. The biggest up is that people can find what they want without help. The biggest down is that high school yearbooks from the city are so heavily vandalized that they are becoming worthless. The pillars and walls of the room prevent us from seeing the patrons - we are at the upper left cornet of a rectangle, and the materials are at the lower right corner. Guess the architects should have been librarians.

Larry Naukam Head of Local History and Genealogy Division Central Library of Rochester and Monroe County NY

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I think locked doors are a must for protection of the materials, equipment and security for the building as a whole. I realize this may seem paranoid, but in this day where we are told we must be paranoid, think what a great place for placing something destructive an unlocked unsupervised area would be. Also if it is unsupervised and away from other areas, it provides a prime gathering place for people who want to be out of sight and unsupervised. We have a problem with adolescents trying to find private places in a public building to do "private" things.

Laura

Kathy Petras wrote:

-- Laura W. Carter The Heritage Room Athens-Clarke County Library 2025 Baxter Street Athens, GA 30606

(706) 613-3650 Ext. 350 Voice (706) 613-3660 Fax [email protected]

From rhager at slcl.org Thu Jan 15 10:12:00 2004 From: rhager at slcl.org (Ruth Ann Hager) Date: Thu Jan 15 11:03:38 2004 Subject: [Genealib] NGS GENTECH, January 22-24th Message-ID: <[email protected]>

NGS GENTECH, January 22-24th

For those of you who read the "Get-Out" section of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch Newspaper, the listing which appeared today, Thursday 15 January, about the NGS GENTECH conference is INCORRECT as far as when it will be held. It states that NGS GENTECH 2004 will run "today through Saturday" and gives no dates - leading readers to believe that it will be held 15-17th of January. This may cause confusion for librarians in the Missouri and Illinois area who read the Post-Dispatch and who plan to attend.

The Librarians Pre-Conference will be held THURSDAY, 22 JANUARY, and the conference sessions will be Friday and Saturday 23-24th of January. For complete conference information, including the correct dates, see http://www.stlgs.org/gentech2004/index.shtml.

Ruth Ann Hager, CGRS, CGL, Reference Specialist [email protected]

Special Collections St. Louis County Library 1640 South Lindbergh Blvd. St. Louis, MO 63131-3598 (314) 994-3300 ext. 208 http://www.slcl.org/slcl/sc/

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From SKirby at boelter-yates.com Thu Jan 15 11:34:28 2004 From: SKirby at boelter-yates.com (Sarah Kirby) Date: Thu Jan 15 12:27:05 2004 Subject: [Genealib] RE: To lock or not to lock Message-ID: <[email protected]>

The genealogy room where I volunteer is locked whenever it is not staffed. The collection is a separate entity from the main library - it is owned by the local genealogical society. Volunteers to staff the room are taken from the society. In the two years in our new facility, we've managed about an 85-93% average staffing during library hours.

A couple of reasons why it is locked - We have more than 100,000 3x5 cards in glassine envelopes with clipped obituaries. Without supervision these would walk off. We have many documents that would be impossible/extremely expensive to replace. By having someone in the room, it discourages (but does not totally prevent) vandalism, either intentional or non (e.g. writing in a book).

As a genealogist, I've encountered everything from wide open stacks to locked bookcases inside of locked rooms to closed stacks. Hobbyists find some of these inconvenient, but if you plan before you visit, you can usually make sure someone will let you in. In general, I think true genealogists recognize that these materials must be protected. It's only the "I found grandpa in a book, I'm done with my genealogy" type crowd that tend to be a real problem, or students doing school projects.

______Sarah A. V. Kirby Corporate Librarian and Research Assistant Boelter & Yates, Inc. [email protected] 847-685-9284

From pmanzell at bcls.lib.nj.us Thu Jan 15 13:13:21 2004 From: pmanzell at bcls.lib.nj.us (Paula Manzella) Date: Thu Jan 15 13:08:24 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Temporary cessation of research Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Hi,

Due to my impending maternity leave, the Library will not be accepting long-distance genealogy/history research requests for most of 2004. While we anticipate resuming the service late in the fall, but no specific date has been chosen yet. However, the reference department still will continue to accept photocopy requests for newspaper notices (birth, death/obituary, marriage, news articles) because those requests do not require as much labor/time as research requests.

A number of factors went into making the administrative decision, primarily because I am the primary genealogy/history researcher for the library system and the fact that we are short another reference librarian at this time. Also, none my volunteers are able to absorb the responsibility at this time.

My question is this: I am looking for creative ideas for "advertising" the fact that the long-distance research will be temporarily suspended, but photocopying will continue. If you have faced this challenge, how and where have you advertised? I know we need to cover the genealogy room and the website. How about other places that I may have missed?

Any and all ideas will be appreciated!

Regards, Paula Manzella Reference, NJ & Genealogy Burlington County Library Westampton, NJ [email protected] ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040115/912a1e5f/ attachment.htm From mag_shawna at DAYTON.LIB.OH.US Thu Jan 15 13:21:55 2004 From: mag_shawna at DAYTON.LIB.OH.US (Shawna) Date: Thu Jan 15 13:14:37 2004 Subject: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock... References: <002401c3dae1$56215e30$af28a8c0@genealogy> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Dear Librarians, Here is another aspect you may wish to consider. We remodelled and had a local history room added with a nice lock, but they did not plan to have a separate light switch or separate climate control. Our history room is only used maybe 8 hours a week - locked the rest of the time. It is a shame that we have to have the lights on in the history room the whole time the library is open, rather than being able to turn off the lights when the room is not being used.

Shawna Woodard Harbor Topky Library

From rsullivan at sals.edu Thu Jan 15 13:35:04 2004 From: rsullivan at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Thu Jan 15 13:24:08 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Temporary cessation of research References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <00c201c3db96$4d6926a0$0c01040a@Colossus>

> My question is this: I am looking for creative ideas for > "advertising" the fact that the long-distance research will be > temporarily suspended, but photocopying will continue. If you have > faced this challenge, how and where have you advertised? I know we > need to cover the genealogy room and the website. How about other > places that I may have missed?

Sites devoted to your area (e.g., ) and mailing lists for your state, county and any surnames which might have a strong interest in your county. See or .

Bob Sullivan Schenectady County Public Library (NY) Schenectady Digital History Archive

From Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org Thu Jan 15 13:32:12 2004 From: Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org (Susan Scouras) Date: Thu Jan 15 13:25:00 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Temporary cessation of research Message-ID: <[email protected]>

You could post a notice through RootsWeb Review, an on-line weekly genealogy magazine. E-mail address for the editor is

[email protected]. You could also post on GenWeb and RootsWeb message boards for your state/county/locality.

Susan Scouras

-----Original Message----- From: Paula Manzella [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:13 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: [Genealib] Temporary cessation of research

Hi,

Due to my impending maternity leave, the Library will not be accepting long- distance genealogy/history research requests for most of 2004. While we anticipate resuming the service late in the fall, but no specific date has been chosen yet. However, the reference department still will continue to accept photocopy requests for newspaper notices (birth, death/obituary, marriage, news articles) because those requests do not require as much labor/time as research requests.

Any and all ideas will be appreciated!

Regards, Paula Manzella Reference, NJ & Genealogy Burlington County Library Westampton, NJ [email protected]

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Paula,

I find that most of my requests come in via my library Web site. That would be where I would make such an announcement. If your email address is given on the site, you would continue to get requests, because as we know most people do not read Web sites if they do not have to. They will just cut and paste your email.

However, if your site is set up such that they have to fill in required fields and a message is then sent to you from your own server, then you have an opportunity to slow them down enough to where they might actually read a notice on your site as they fill in the fields.

For mailed questions, there may not be a very effective mechanism to make this announcement. My impression is that most people find my address either through my Web site (see above) or in books, Web directories, phone books, etc.

Some mail and phone calls come as referrals from people and libraries in the community who know me. Letting them know directly is probably the best way to address that sort of thing. Maybe also send an item for your local societies' newsletters. They always welcome filler anyway.

Good luck and congratulations, Arthur

Arthur Erickson Genealogy Librarian Greensboro Public Library

219 N. Church St. PO Box 3178 Greensboro, NC 27402-3178 (336) 574-4099 [email protected] www.greensborolibrary.org/

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:genealib- [email protected]]On Behalf Of Paula Manzella Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:13 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: [Genealib] Temporary cessation of research

Hi, Due to my impending maternity leave, the Library will not be accepting long- distance genealogy/history research requests for most of 2004. While we anticipate resuming the service late in the fall, but no specific date has been chosen yet. However, the reference department still will continue to accept photocopy requests for newspaper notices (birth, death/obituary, marriage, news articles) because those requests do not require as much labor/time as research requests. A number of factors went into making the administrative decision, primarily because I am the primary genealogy/history researcher for the library system and the fact that we are short another reference librarian at this time. Also, none my volunteers are able to absorb the responsibility at this time. My question is this: I am looking for creative ideas for "advertising" the fact that the long-distance research will be temporarily suspended, but photocopying will continue. If you have faced this challenge, how and where have you advertised? I know we need to cover the genealogy room and the website. How about other places that I may have missed? Any and all ideas will be appreciated! Regards, Paula Manzella Reference, NJ & Genealogy Burlington County Library Westampton, NJ [email protected] ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040115/6a10299f/ attachment-0001.htm From PIMMEL at SLOMA.state.oh.us Thu Jan 15 16:10:49 2004 From: PIMMEL at SLOMA.state.oh.us (Paul Immel) Date: Thu Jan 15 16:04:49 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Books for trade Message-ID: <71FF2B6D4C93D51180BD0008C7CF0603DCDE8D@EXCHSRV1>

All book titles offered for trade in my post earlier in the week have been spoken for. Thanks to all of you who participated. I hope to offer more titles for trade in the near future.

Paul Immel Genealogy Services Librarian State Library of Ohio 274 E. 1st Ave. Columbus, OH 43201 (614) 387-1186 (614) 644-6966 From dbaskin at tsl.state.tx.us Thu Jan 15 16:28:03 2004 From: dbaskin at tsl.state.tx.us (David Baskin) Date: Thu Jan 15 17:20:37 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Texas County Records on Microfilm Message-ID: <45057232A4AC6444B0F9452131E7446E64CC5D@exchange.win2k.tsl.state.tx.us>

To list members . . .

The microfilmed county records of Galveston and Harris counties, Texas now reside at the Sam Houston Regional Library and Research Center in Liberty, Texas. For full information about the Texas County Records on Microfilm program and holdings, please visit our Web site at http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/local/index.html

David A. Baskin Genealogy Collection Archives and Information Services Division Texas State Library and Archives Commission [email protected] http://www.tsl.state.tx.us 512-463-5463 From MMannixFCPL at aol.com Thu Jan 15 18:53:19 2004 From: MMannixFCPL at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Thu Jan 15 18:47:57 2004 Subject: [Genealib] What's a loafer Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Hello all, Not thinking very creatively right now and, truth be told, I need to go home so am not going through all the likely sources at the reference desk, so thought I would just ask you all and tell my patron the results tomorrow ... my present patron has a photocopy from a marriage abstract book for Kentucky, 1900. Her male ancestor is said to be a "loafer", she thinks he worked on the railroad. Anybody have any ideas, I looked in the plain old dictionary and they only have a loafer as a person who loafs. Help! Much thanks, Mary

Mary K. Mannix, M.A., M.L.S. Maryland Room Manager C. Burr Artz Central Library Frederick County Public Libraries Frederick, MD From tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org Thu Jan 15 18:18:32 2004 From: tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org (Tracy Luscombe) Date: Thu Jan 15 19:10:29 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Feige Family Genealogy Message-ID:

Do any of your libraries own a copy of this? If so, please reply off list as soon as possible.

Thanks, Tracy E. Luscombe Genealogy Librarian McKinney Memorial Public Library McKinney, TX [email protected]

From Darlene.Hamilton at spl.org Thu Jan 15 17:24:41 2004 From: Darlene.Hamilton at spl.org (Darlene Hamilton) Date: Thu Jan 15 20:16:40 2004 Subject: [Genealib] set genealib no mail Message-ID: set genealib no mail From DrewSmithUSF at aol.com Thu Jan 15 20:53:12 2004 From: DrewSmithUSF at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Thu Jan 15 20:45:58 2004 Subject: [Genealib] set genealib no mail Message-ID: <[email protected]>

To set your GENEALIB list options so that you remain subscribed but do not receive e-mail, you need to:

1. Address your e-mail to [email protected]. Sending anything to [email protected] goes to all subscribers, and will not result in any option changes.

2. Instead of "set genealib no mail", you would say "set delivery off". Since each list on the server has its own unique request address, you do not include the name of the list in the command.

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Loafer does appear regularly as an occupation in Census listings. Can't tell from that what it means, but the usage going back to the 19th century can refer to "one who loafs."

It also has some relation to a hobo, which might account for the suggested railroad connection you mention.

>From a list of "Hobo Terminology":

Loafer - From the German word for "land-runner," one who wanders around the countryside." Loaf, as a verb, is a back-formation from "loafer," and ought to be used to described someone who travels around aimlessly.

>From "The American Hobo: A special study presented in part-fulfilment of the requirements for B.A. (Hons) 1998, by Colin Beesley:

"The Journal of United Labor (JUL) remarked upon this proclivity in 1883:

'These men (Jay Gould and his class [author's parenthesis]) have continually persisted in associating the word tramps with the words vagabond, idler, thief, and, in order not to be stingy with their synonyms, they have thrown the word loafer into the bargain . . .' "

David Fiske Library Director Mildred Elley

--- [email protected] wrote: > Hello all, Not thinking very creatively right now > and, truth be told, I need to go home so am not > going through all the likely sources at the > reference desk, so thought I would just ask you all > and tell my patron the results tomorrow ... my > present patron has a photocopy from a marriage > abstract book for Kentucky, 1900. Her male ancestor > is said to be a "loafer", she thinks he worked on > the railroad. Anybody have any ideas, I looked in > the plain old dictionary and they only have a loafer > as a person who loafs. Help! Much thanks, Mary > > Mary K. Mannix, M.A., M.L.S. > Maryland Room Manager > C. Burr Artz Central Library > Frederick County Public Libraries > Frederick, MD > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

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Susan I am flattered that you ask me to be part of your "experts" panel. I am not exactly sure that I qualify as an expert on CW, just an interested observer that happens to work in a genealogy library room where I have access to certain resources. My first question to you relates to the articles I sent: Will you you publishing them in entirety or editing them? Just a curiosity.

Next, in regard to the panel, can you give me a rough guesstimate of how many inquiries you did a day/week? After I receive your reply, I will think on this and get back to you later today. I certainly was not expecting this turn of events!!! Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [Genealib] set genealib no mail

To set your GENEALIB list options so that you remain subscribed but do not receive e-mail, you need to:

1. Address your e-mail to [email protected]. Sending anything to [email protected] goes to all subscribers, and will not result in any option changes.

2. Instead of "set genealib no mail", you would say "set delivery off". Since each list on the server has its own unique request address, you do not include the name of the list in the command.

Regards, Drew Smith GENEALIB list administrator

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So how do you deter patrons who are more interested in lecturing you than getting research assistance? I cannot use the excuse that another patron is waiting because this guy comes in when it is slow. I have also consulted my coworkers and supervisor, too, but I'm interested in the opinions of the list.

===== Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.buffaloresearch.com/ "My heart is moved by all I cannot save: So much has been destroyed I have to cast my lot with those who, age after age, perversely, with no extraordinary power, reconstitute the world." -Adrienne Rich

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Yes, they are all too common. My most common response is to sit down, and say something to the effect that I know just what they are talking about, and launch into a similar story that bores them to death. When they say something about looking for their information, say oh yes, start looking, and every time they start their spiel, repeat the action. After a few times of that, just say that you probably could research more efficiently if he would go read a book instead of trying to have a conversation. Make sure you interrupt constantly with related stories that will bore him. What this patron really wants is someone to talk to.

Joyce A. Brannan Technical Services Librarian University of West Alabama Livingston, AL 35470 205-652-3677 205-652-3424

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Could a loafer be someone in the bakery trade?

--- [email protected] wrote: > Hello all, Not thinking very creatively right now and, truth > be told, I need to go home so am not going through all the > likely sources at the reference desk, so thought I would just > ask you all and tell my patron the results tomorrow ... my > present patron has a photocopy from a marriage abstract book > for Kentucky, 1900. Her male ancestor is said to be a > "loafer", she thinks he worked on the railroad. Anybody have > any ideas, I looked in the plain old dictionary and they only > have a loafer as a person who loafs. Help! Much thanks, Mary > > Mary K. Mannix, M.A., M.L.S. > Maryland Room Manager > C. Burr Artz Central Library > Frederick County Public Libraries > Frederick, MD > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

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Yankee word for unemployed or does not want to be employed Steve ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040116/647f54f3/ attachment.htm From Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org Fri Jan 16 10:21:15 2004 From: Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org (Susan Scouras) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:14:02 2004 Subject: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Does this ever happen in the West Virginia Archives and History Library? Almost every day!! We have certain patrons who trigger an early warning system among the staff so that those of us lucky enough to not have a desk shift requiring our presence know to avoid the public reading room! Coping with these patrons takes a lot of practice and patience, and requires learning each person's quirks and opinions. You are correct in calling it "a game." Once you have suffered through a few visits from an argumentative patron, you will know the opening gambits he uses and will be able to avoid being drawn into the game most of the time, but not all of the time--these people are very clever. If I can identify an actual question, I will refer the patron to various resources that may be helpful, often taking them directly to a source and looking up the first item for them. If the patron does not respond by making an effort to pursue a research lead by himself, and simply enters into his familiar diatribe, I don't give him my full attention. There is always something that needs to be done that I can start or continue to work on without having to make eye contact that encourages the patron to keep talking. I am polite, I respond with an occasional "uh-huh" or "yes, we've discussed this before," etc., but I try to avoid any direct comment, positive or negative, that will encourage the patron to continue.

I agree that these patrons just want to talk. A few are seeking validation for their beliefs or their research theories, a few simply enjoy provoking people, but most are just lonely.

-----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Van Ness [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:58 AM To: genealib Subject: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron Does this ever happen at your reference desk? You have a patron whose interest in family history leads to feelings of historical grievance? This patron, a new and difficult regular, has a game that goes like this: he opens with an obscure question that makes you think, "Oh, great, how will I find this?" The question is just a pretext for him to deliver political opinions while you're looking stuff up. The topic might be how "the Cossacks" mistreated his people, or maybe it is some other grievance. While he is lecturing, his attention wanders far and wide from his original question and he has piled on several more obscure demands.

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I found this in "What Did They Mean By That?"

Loaf sugar - cakes or loaves of sugar, usually weighing 5, 7, or 9 pounds; the form in which sugar was sold before granulated sugar and cardboard packaging were available, e.g., "The price of loaf sugar in Sussex, VA in 1760 was equal to $15.00 per pound in 1992 money";

So, could we assume that the person who makes these loaves be the loafer?

Pam

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Cynthia Van Ness Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:12 AM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: Re: [Genealib] What's a loafer

Could a loafer be someone in the bakery trade?

From jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us Fri Jan 16 10:36:11 2004 From: jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us (Joyce A. McMullin) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:28:01 2004 Subject: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Cynthia & all- I can respond to the second part of the inquiry regarding the piling on of more obscure demands. Lucky for us, we haven't seen political diatribers. When I get enthusiastic newbies whose one question is followed by many in rapidfire succession before I even reach for the first book, I respond with something like, "We (meaning patron and I) can research 900 questions, but we can only do this one question at a time, where would you like to start?" I guess it's the "900 questions" part that makes them pause, often laugh, and suddenly focus. Joyce

Cynthia Van Ness wrote:

>Does this ever happen at your reference desk? You have a patron >whose interest in family history leads to feelings of historical >grievance? This patron, a new and difficult regular, has a game >that goes like this: he opens with an obscure question that >makes you think, "Oh, great, how will I find this?" The >question is just a pretext for him to deliver political opinions >while you're looking stuff up. The topic might be how "the >Cossacks" mistreated his people, or maybe it is some other >grievance. While he is lecturing, his attention wanders far and >wide from his original question and he has piled on several more >obscure demands. > >So how do you deter patrons who are more interested in lecturing >you than getting research assistance? I cannot use the excuse >that another patron is waiting because this guy comes in when it >is slow. I have also consulted my coworkers and supervisor, >too, but I'm interested in the opinions of the list. > > > >===== >Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com >http://www.buffaloresearch.com/ > "My heart is moved by all I cannot save: > So much has been destroyed > I have to cast my lot with those > who, age after age, perversely, with no extraordinary > power, reconstitute the world." -Adrienne Rich > >______>Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus >______>genealib mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > > >

From jjeffrey at denver.lib.co.us Fri Jan 16 08:43:29 2004 From: jjeffrey at denver.lib.co.us (James Jeffrey) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:36:34 2004 Subject: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron Message-ID:

Joyce,

This is a diversion technique that I use as well as looking them in the eye and flatly asking "Yes now, you had a question? and that question was..."

James K. Jeffrey Collection Specialist in Genealogy Western History and Genealogy Denver Public Library

>>> [email protected] 1/16/04 8:11:29 AM >>> Yes, they are all too common. My most common response is to sit down, and say something to the effect that I know just what they are talking about, and launch into a similar story that bores them to death. When they say something about looking for their information, say oh yes, start looking, and every time they start their spiel, repeat the action. After a few times of that, just say that you probably could research more efficiently if he would go read a book instead of trying to have a conversation. Make sure you interrupt constantly with related stories that will bore him. What this patron really wants is someone to talk to.

Joyce A. Brannan Technical Services Librarian University of West Alabama Livingston, AL 35470 205-652-3677 205-652-3424

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Cynthia Van Ness Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:58 AM To: genealib Subject: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron Does this ever happen at your reference desk? You have a patron whose interest in family history leads to feelings of historical grievance? This patron, a new and difficult regular, has a game that goes like this: he opens with an obscure question that makes you think, "Oh, great, how will I find this?" The question is just a pretext for him to deliver political opinions while you're looking stuff up. The topic might be how "the Cossacks" mistreated his people, or maybe it is some other grievance. While he is lecturing, his attention wanders far and wide from his original question and he has piled on several more obscure demands.

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I like Joyce's strategy.

People like to look over our shoulders and talk while we start the search, which is annoying and opens us up to rambling speeches about their families. So, I usually try to hand them a book that MIGHT contain the answer and have them leap through it while I do my thing in peace.

Larry Oathout Operations Director Mattoon Public Library P.O. Box 809 Mattoon, IL 61938 217-234-2621 PH 217-234-2660 FX http://www.mattoonlibrary.org

From RRoberts at cslib.org Fri Jan 16 10:58:56 2004 From: RRoberts at cslib.org (Richard Roberts) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:55:27 2004 Subject: [Genealib] What's a loafer Message-ID:

>From the Oxford English Dictionary online:

1. One who spends his time in idleness.

1830 Mechanic's Press (Utica, N.Y.) 10 July 274/1 Nor are they topers at taverns, or benchers at groceries, or loafers who 'chase misfortune o'er the towpath'. 1835 Knickerbocker VI. 63 The late Ben Smith, Loafer. I present an outline sketch of one of that species of the genus homo..which Custom has christened with the expressive appellation of Loafer! 1840 R. H. DANA Bef. Mast vii. 17 The men appeared to be the laziest people upon the face of the earth; and indeed..there are no people to whom the newly invented Yankee word of 'loafer' is more applicable than to the Spanish Americans. 1842 DICKENS Amer. Notes (1850) 130/2 When we stop to change, some two or three half-drunken loafers will come loitering out with their hands in their pockets. 1852 THOREAU Autumn (1894) 46 Even insects in my path are not loafers, but have their special errands. 1873 LELAND Eng. Gipsies & their Lang. vi. 89 When the term first began to be popular in 1834 or 1835, I can distinctly remember that it meant to pilfer. Such, at least, is my earliest recollection, and of hearing school boys ask one another in jest, of their acquisitions or gifts, 'Where did you loaf that from?' A petty pilferer was a loafer, but in a very short time all of the tribe of loungers in the sun, and the disreputable pickers up of unconsidered trifles,..were called loafers. 1893 LIDDON, etc. Life of Pusey I. ii, Older boys knew that he was no loafer: and when he felt unwell he could always get off 'fagging cricket'. attrib. 1888 BRYCE Amer. Commw. II. lvii. 397 Among the 'loafer' class. 1896 J. DAVIDSON Fleet Street Eclog. Ser. II. 81, I see the loafer-burnished wall.

Richard C. Roberts Unit Head History and Genealogy Unit Connecticut State Library 231 Capitol Ave. Hartford, CT 06106-1537 (860) 757-6580 FAX (860) 757-6677 http://www.cslib.org/handg.htm From jochem at main.morris.org Fri Jan 16 11:09:00 2004 From: jochem at main.morris.org (Chris Jochem) Date: Fri Jan 16 11:00:06 2004 Subject: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <001001c3dc4b$0e0bfb30$0500a8c0@JFPL>

Dear Cynthia,

As a librarian in a local history & genealogy department I can sympathize with your plight over cantankerous, argumentative patrons!

In our department we keep an eye out for each other. If the staff member working on the reference desk has been cornered by a patron, we duck back into our office off the reading room and call the staff member out at the reference desk, giving the staff member a chance to end the conversation.

As the department head, I've also been known to come out of the office and pull rank, politely telling the patron that I need to speak with the staff member for just a minute about something back in our office. Ninety percent of the time this is enough to break off the tirade, though once in a while a patron will actually wait at the reference desk for the staff member to return so they can resume their litany of complaints!

These tactics also work with patrons convinced that library staff are equally as enthralled with the patron's family genealogy. Watch for eyes glazing over!

Christine Jochem Local History & Genealogy The Morristown & Morris Township Library One Miller Road Morristown, NJ 07960 973-538-3473

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cynthia Van Ness Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:58 AM To: genealib Subject: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron

Does this ever happen at your reference desk? You have a patron whose interest in family history leads to feelings of historical grievance? This patron, a new and difficult regular, has a game that goes like this: he opens with an obscure question that makes you think, "Oh, great, how will I find this?" The question is just a pretext for him to deliver political opinions while you're looking stuff up. The topic might be how "the Cossacks" mistreated his people, or maybe it is some other grievance. While he is lecturing, his attention wanders far and wide from his original question and he has piled on several more obscure demands. So how do you deter patrons who are more interested in lecturing you than getting research assistance? I cannot use the excuse that another patron is waiting because this guy comes in when it is slow. I have also consulted my coworkers and supervisor, too, but I'm interested in the opinions of the list.

From jjeffrey at denver.lib.co.us Fri Jan 16 09:13:50 2004 From: jjeffrey at denver.lib.co.us (James Jeffrey) Date: Fri Jan 16 11:06:47 2004 Subject: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron Message-ID:

Having been rescued by my boss from a "desk sitter" they continued to occupy the chair for another hour before I returned to the desk.

James K. Jeffrey Collection Specialist in Genealogy Western History and Genealogy Denver Public Library

>>> [email protected] 1/16/04 9:09:00 AM >>> Dear Cynthia,

As a librarian in a local history & genealogy department I can sympathize with your plight over cantankerous, argumentative patrons!

These tactics also work with patrons convinced that library staff are equally as enthralled with the patron's family genealogy. Watch for eyes glazing over!

Christine Jochem Local History & Genealogy The Morristown & Morris Township Library One Miller Road Morristown, NJ 07960 973-538-3473

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From ill at citlib.org Fri Jan 16 12:09:33 2004 From: ill at citlib.org (Ella Ann Hatfield) Date: Fri Jan 16 12:00:52 2004 Subject: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Cynthia,

While this doesn't happen often, I ask the patron specifically what question they need answered, and write it down on a form. Usually I will say something like " What information do you expect to take away with you today?" make him focus his request tell him you must to be clear on his needs. Then while you are searching he should wait for your return with whatever material you find.If he's talking to you you are not able to focus your full attention on his request. I always have other questions to work on while sitting reference, someone has called and is waiting for a call back. There are email or written requests to be addressed. Always have "busy work" to fall back on, for those rare quiet times at reference. Genealogy material always needs reshelved, shelves need read, microfilms replaced, indexing needs done etc.

Ella Ann Hatfield

Citizens Library

Washington, PA

Cynthia Van Ness wrote:

> Does this ever happen at your reference desk? You have a patron > whose interest in family history leads to feelings of historical > grievance? This patron, a new and difficult regular, has a game > that goes like this: he opens with an obscure question that > makes you think, "Oh, great, how will I find this?" The > question is just a pretext for him to deliver political opinions > while you're looking stuff up. The topic might be how "the > Cossacks" mistreated his people, or maybe it is some other > grievance. While he is lecturing, his attention wanders far and > wide from his original question and he has piled on several more > obscure demands. > > So how do you deter patrons who are more interested in lecturing > you than getting research assistance? I cannot use the excuse > that another patron is waiting because this guy comes in when it > is slow. I have also consulted my coworkers and supervisor, > too, but I'm interested in the opinions of the list. > > ===== > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > http://www.buffaloresearch.com/ > "My heart is moved by all I cannot save: > So much has been destroyed > I have to cast my lot with those > who, age after age, perversely, with no extraordinary > power, reconstitute the world." -Adrienne Rich > > ______> Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From HolmesMP at mizzou.edu Fri Jan 16 11:23:15 2004 From: HolmesMP at mizzou.edu (Holmes, Mary P.) Date: Fri Jan 16 12:15:57 2004 Subject: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron Message-ID: <8C6EB843F6450448B49A3C08A2F505A6122C96@UM-EMAIL04.um.umsystem.edu>

Dear Librarians serving genealogists--Everyone has life stories to share, and true, some patrons are in need of interaction with fellow humans. I try to recognize this patron as a real person and fellow human. Perhaps I can do this because I am older now, but I will give them 100% attention for several minutes, looking straight into their eyes. Then I try to find something that will answer a specific question, or add to their research pointing them in a direction of further development. Experts say that a light touch on the hand or arm, gives a reassurance of concern and involvement. There have been instances with persistently flustered and grasping individuals who now seem to leave happy and satisfied that their quest has been advanced. Mary Patricia "Pat" McCue Holmes Reference Specialist, Reference Library THE STATE HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF MISSOURI 1020 Lowry Street Mall, Columbia MO 65201-7398 [email protected] (573) 882-9365 http://www.system.missouri.edu/shs

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Ella Ann Hatfield Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:10 AM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: Re: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron

Cynthia,

Ella Ann Hatfield

Citizens Library

Washington, PA

Cynthia Van Ness wrote:

> Does this ever happen at your reference desk? You have a patron > whose interest in family history leads to feelings of historical > grievance? This patron, a new and difficult regular, has a game > that goes like this: he opens with an obscure question that > makes you think, "Oh, great, how will I find this?" The > question is just a pretext for him to deliver political opinions > while you're looking stuff up. The topic might be how "the > Cossacks" mistreated his people, or maybe it is some other > grievance. While he is lecturing, his attention wanders far and > wide from his original question and he has piled on several more > obscure demands. > > So how do you deter patrons who are more interested in lecturing > you than getting research assistance? I cannot use the excuse > that another patron is waiting because this guy comes in when it > is slow. I have also consulted my coworkers and supervisor, > too, but I'm interested in the opinions of the list. > > ===== > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > http://www.buffaloresearch.com/ > "My heart is moved by all I cannot save: > So much has been destroyed > I have to cast my lot with those > who, age after age, perversely, with no extraordinary > power, reconstitute the world." -Adrienne Rich > > ______> Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From kyvt at webtv.net Fri Jan 16 10:33:25 2004 From: kyvt at webtv.net (Gene/Joan Hopkins) Date: Fri Jan 16 12:26:05 2004 Subject: [Genealib] What's a loafer In-Reply-To: Cynthia Van Ness 's message of Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:11:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[email protected]>

As I grew up in the 40's, a loafer was a person who did not like or want to work at anything, to provide a living for his family and/or his own self.....this I remember very vividly, as my uncle was a loafer...!

From Jerry at HeritageQuest.com Fri Jan 16 11:18:58 2004 From: Jerry at HeritageQuest.com (Jerry Millar) Date: Fri Jan 16 13:13:44 2004 Subject: [Genealib] What's a loafer Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Hi All,

I discussed this with the women in our indexing department. These ladies have an amazing understanding of census records. Here is what they said.

The year the patron is looking at in the census could make a difference. Such as, in 1930 there are occupation codes, which gives more detail as to the persons profession. It is also possible that the patron mis-read the occupation. Many times looper is mistaken for loafer.

If there is a (W) after the occupation, that means the person had worked for someone. Certainly not a loafer. If there is a (XXXX) or nothing at all after the occupation, then the person was most likely a loafer, as the term applies. It seems prior to 1930 the term loafer was more politically correct then bum or hobo.

Each census year may sometimes have hints that help determine what the Census Taker was trying to say. Sometimes this take a specialist. Like the ladies at HeritageQuest. It is good to remember that not all Census Takers could spell. They showed me for example, the word Semtery, which is actually Cemetery.

If you would like to send me the information I will see what light our indexers can shed on the problem.

Thank you,

Jerry Millar - Library Specialist 669 West 900 North North Salt Lake, UT 84054 1-800-760-2455 x1743 - Fax 801-298-5468 - [email protected] Heritage Quest A Member of the ProQuest Company _ From Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org Fri Jan 16 14:38:09 2004 From: Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org (Susan Scouras) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:30:57 2004 Subject: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I agree with Ms. Holmes that we need to interact with our fellow humans, but I think the type of patron we have been discussing today is the one who does not have a legitimate question, and therefore can not be distracted by the usual methods a librarian uses to get a patron to focus or to think through his difficulty and move on. If you show very much concern and involvement, you will not be able to disengage from this person. The argumentative patron is rewarded by your involvement with him, and is only discouraged from this type of behavior if he is consistently unable to engage you in his argument. I always give known provocateurs a warm greeting and conduct any legitimate business with them in a friendly and professional manner, but I never initiate a conversation by asking what they are working on, etc., as I would other regular patrons.

-----Original Message----- From: Holmes, Mary P. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:23 AM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: RE: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron

Cynthia,

Ella Ann Hatfield

Citizens Library

Washington, PA

Cynthia Van Ness wrote:

> Does this ever happen at your reference desk? You have a patron > whose interest in family history leads to feelings of historical > grievance? This patron, a new and difficult regular, has a game > that goes like this: he opens with an obscure question that > makes you think, "Oh, great, how will I find this?" The > question is just a pretext for him to deliver political opinions > while you're looking stuff up. The topic might be how "the > Cossacks" mistreated his people, or maybe it is some other > grievance. While he is lecturing, his attention wanders far and > wide from his original question and he has piled on several more > obscure demands. > > So how do you deter patrons who are more interested in lecturing > you than getting research assistance? I cannot use the excuse > that another patron is waiting because this guy comes in when it > is slow. I have also consulted my coworkers and supervisor, > too, but I'm interested in the opinions of the list. > > ===== > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > http://www.buffaloresearch.com/ > "My heart is moved by all I cannot save: > So much has been destroyed > I have to cast my lot with those > who, age after age, perversely, with no extraordinary > power, reconstitute the world." -Adrienne Rich > > ______> Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From LNaukam at libraryweb.org Fri Jan 16 15:19:45 2004 From: LNaukam at libraryweb.org (Naukam, Larry) Date: Fri Jan 16 15:10:40 2004 Subject: [Genealib] The lecturesome patron Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Susan has raised a good point, about known provocateurs.

We have the usual assortment of non-regular patrons:

1. the deficient - someone who is quite nice and simply is somewhat lacking in intelligence and the ability to understand what is said, or to phrase a request in an answerable way.

2. the ignorant - "it's on the computer somewhere, just type it in and give it to me; and I'm double parked." This kind usually doesn't have a clear grasp - they don't know the man's name, they don't know the crime he committed, or when, they don't know the name of the church, and so on - they want, right now, and have the attention span of a ferret on methamphetamines.

3. the yacker - old Mr. or Mrs. Smith rambles on about the family. Easily dealt with - just say that you need to know what they need to know, because the extra details make it hard to help.

4. the insane - of which every big city library has a collection of. Nothing that you can do here except keep your hand near the panic button for security, and avoid even looking at them. I speak from experience, having spent an entire evening with a huge man who stood on the tables eating newspapers..... and later that evening cut the throat of a clerk. I recognized his picture in the paper the next day. Twenty five years on and I still get the creeps about that.

So what to do? Be the boss - act like it, not like a dishrag. It's my room, my rules, and that's the way it is. I choose how to respond, and if that's not official ALA everyone is equal policy, then those who disagree are free to work my nights and weekends. Alone. ------next part ------A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3006 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040116/ b5636e54/attachment-0001.bin From kstanley at flash.net Fri Jan 16 14:55:43 2004 From: kstanley at flash.net (Karen Stanley) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:48:18 2004 Subject: [Genealib] What's a loafer In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Jerry has an important point. In the original question, the patron saw the word "loafer" in a book of marriage record abstracts - NOT in any sort of original document. I would encourage the patron to borrow the microfilm or order a copy of the original marriage entry. It's entirely possible that the actual word is something quite different and was incorrectly transcribed. I'd also look the person up in the 1900 and 1910 censuses and see what profession is given there.

Karen Stanley Houston, TX

Jerry Millar wrote: Hi All,

I discussed this with the women in our indexing department. These ladies have an amazing understanding of census records. Here is what they said.

If you would like to send me the information I will see what light our indexers can shed on the problem.

Thank you,

Jerry Millar - Library Specialist 669 West 900 North North Salt Lake, UT 84054 1-800-760-2455 x1743 - Fax 801-298-5468 - [email protected] Heritage Quest A Member of the ProQuest Company

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I am going to cut and paste some quotes into an email message for my colleagues. You've all been a great help.

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Betty-

Could I have a copy of your cut and paste quotes as well?

One thing that I have done for troublesome patrons is to make a copy of the NGS Genealogical Standards - Guidelines For Using Records Repositories And Libraries which I hand out to researchers when they enter our library as first-time users. Link to this list is below.

Guidelines for Using Records, Repositories, and Libraries (PDF Version)

Sharon F. Corey, President, Corresponding Secretary, Editor Chesterfield District Chapter, S.C.G.S. 115 Green Street P.O. Box 167 Chesterfield, SC 29709 Phone: 843-623-2244 Fax: 843-623-2278 Website: www.chesterfielddistrictchapter.org/chesterfieldsc/ E-mail: [email protected] South Carolina Genealogical Society -- a non-profit organization that aims to raise the standards of genealogical research and to promote the preservation of records of the Colony and State of South Carolina. Check out that web site at: http://www.scgen.org/ ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040117/ d2bdf12a/attachment.htm From tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org Sat Jan 17 11:20:31 2004 From: tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org (Tracy Luscombe) Date: Sat Jan 17 12:12:25 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Thanks re Lecture some patron Message-ID:

Good info to post or have available to hand out to patrons. Tracy Luscombe McKinney Memorial Public Library McKinney, TX

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Betty-

Could I have a copy of your cut and paste quotes as well?

Guidelines for Using Records, Repositories, and Libraries ( PDF Version)

------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040117/ b65d12fd/attachment.htm From pmanzell at bcls.lib.nj.us Sat Jan 17 13:38:24 2004 From: pmanzell at bcls.lib.nj.us (Paula Manzella) Date: Sat Jan 17 13:33:24 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Temporary cessation of research References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Thanks to all for the suggestions on my questions. I will take them into consideration.

Regards, Paula Reference, NJ & Genealogy Burlington County Library Westampton, NJ

Paula Manzella wrote:

> Hi, > > Due to my impending maternity leave, the Library will not be > accepting long-distance genealogy/history research requests for most > of 2004. While we anticipate resuming the service late in the fall, > but no specific date has been chosen yet. However, the reference > department still will continue to accept photocopy requests for > newspaper notices (birth, death/obituary, marriage, news articles) > because those requests do not require as much labor/time as research > requests. ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040117/3f140890/ attachment.htm From jacqelenr at msn.com Sat Jan 17 16:15:16 2004 From: jacqelenr at msn.com (Jacqelen Ruben) Date: Sat Jan 17 19:07:50 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Cataloging Time Message-ID:

As part of a project in which I'm involved, I'm requesting input on what amount of time it should take to do original (OCLC level) cataloging on a manuscript of someone's genealogy -- typewritten, handwritten -- and also on a handwritten pedigree.

Jacqelen Ruben

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From jacqelenr at msn.com Sat Jan 17 16:47:14 2004 From: jacqelenr at msn.com (Jacqelen Ruben) Date: Sat Jan 17 19:39:47 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Cataloging Time Message-ID:

As part of a project for a private genealogical library, I need to know the cataloging time (OCLC quality) per item for a genealogy manuscript -- typed, handwritten -- and for a pedigree, which might be a long handwritten roll.

Jacqelen Ruben

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From purrcell at sympatico.ca Sat Jan 17 21:28:47 2004 From: purrcell at sympatico.ca (Kurt Purcell) Date: Sat Jan 17 21:17:48 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Cataloging Time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I found when I was cataloging at the Provincial Archives of Alberta, you were looking at at least 15 minutes, but more likely 30-45 minutes per book. Sometimes even longer, if it was in another language (I had some come to me in Polish, German, etc.) It was pretty sad at the end of the day to see you'd only cataloged 8-15 books. I think my boss sometimes wondered if I was slacking off, as she was not a librarian by trade, so 8 books for an 8 hour day of work didn't look like much.

I eventually got a volunteer from the local university to help me, but I found that it took even longer, as I had to check her work and correct her mistakes. At least she was able to do the cataloging while I was answering reference questions.

I don't know if my cataloging times are the same as other librarians, but that's one person's account of how long it took me.

Michelle From rider.family at sasktel.net Sun Jan 18 07:21:56 2004 From: rider.family at sasktel.net (Celeste Rider) Date: Sun Jan 18 08:23:47 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Indexing Aboriginal Names Message-ID: <001c01c3ddc6$0ec59a00$409cfea9@6xlq801>

I am creating a newspaper index and have come across an Aboriginal name and am stumped as to how to proceed to properly index it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

The name is: Chief Brave Heart, Chief Burnt Thigh, Canta Chitika (Brave Heart)

This is the name exactly as it appears in the newspaper but I am assuming that they are three variations/versions of his name.

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Since everyone did so well with loafer, how about Hook & Eye Dutch? This woman says her grandfather referred to his ethnic background as being hook & eye Dutch. She says they settled in New York then came to Indiana.

Anita Doering -- Anita Taylor Doering Archivist La Crosse Public Library 800 Main St. La Crosse, WI 54601-4122 (608) 789-7156 fax: (608) 789-7106 http://lacrosselibrary.org/archives/

From dfiskehiker at yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 08:12:21 2004 From: dfiskehiker at yahoo.com (Dave Fiske) Date: Mon Jan 19 11:04:54 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Hook & Eye Dutch In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Amish, because they prefer hook and eye fasteners to buttons on their clothing.

David Fiske Library Director Mildred Elley --- Anita Doering wrote: > Since everyone did so well with loafer, how about > Hook & Eye Dutch? > This woman says her grandfather referred to his > ethnic background as > being hook & eye Dutch. She says they settled in > New York then came to > Indiana. > > Anita Doering > -- > Anita Taylor Doering > Archivist > La Crosse Public Library > 800 Main St. > La Crosse, WI 54601-4122 > (608) 789-7156 > fax: (608) 789-7106 > http://lacrosselibrary.org/archives/ > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

______Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From DrewSmithUSF at aol.com Mon Jan 19 11:28:48 2004 From: DrewSmithUSF at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Mon Jan 19 11:22:18 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Hook & Eye Dutch Message-ID: <[email protected]>

In a message dated 1/19/2004 11:07:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Since everyone did so well with loafer, how about Hook & Eye Dutch? This woman says her grandfather referred to his ethnic background as being hook & eye Dutch. She says they settled in New York then came to Indiana.

The "Hook & Eye Dutch" are the Old Order Amish, called that because they use metal hooks to fasten their clothing, instead of using buttons or zippers. Here's a bit about it from a chapter concerning Menno Simons, online at http://www.reformedreader.org/history/vedder/ch13.htm

"Some of the disputes that arose among the brethren deserve a place in the curiosities of literature. Such is the button controversy, which arose in this wise: The traditional method of fastening the gowns of women and the coats of men had been hooks and eyes. The Mennonites held views about soberness of dress and shunning conformity to the fashions of the world similar to those afterward associated with the Friends or Quakers. Accordingly, when buttons were invented and introduced, the use of them on a garment was held to be the badge of a carnal mind, it was a conformity to the spirit of this world unworthy of a true Christian. This was the ground on which this apparently trivial controversy was fiercely fought for generations; and to this day some of the descendants of the High party, even in this country, fasten their coats with the old-fashioned hooks and eyes and are popularly known as 'Hook-and-eye Dutch.'"

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We have a separate area for genealogy, NOT locked, but Local History files, including envelopes of clippings and brochures on local businesses and similar hard-to-reassemble or replace items, are in locked bookcases. The items are visible to patrons (which greatly increases use over catalog only access), but we take a library card of other ID to hand them out. A few things will still disappear, of course. It's a balancing act.

Thank you, Kathy Petras Reference Staff Medina County District Library

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I have also found that 15 minutes is a typical amount of time for cataloging "from scratch," if the material is pretty straightforward. If I have to spend time examining the work and/or researching similar titles to determine a proper Dewey number and subject headings, I can easily take up to 30 to 45 minutes on one title. Also the type of material you are describing often requires extra title entries (varient title, cover title, etc.) and extra entries in note fields, etc., all of which take extra time.

I have explained this to my bosses and they understand. When I make my monthly report which includes cataloging statistics for months when I had a lot of this type of cataloging, I indicate in my report that most of the month's cataloging was non-standard.

-----Original Message----- From: Kurt Purcell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:29 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: Re: [Genealib] Cataloging Time

I don't know if my cataloging times are the same as other librarians, but that's one person's account of how long it took me.

Michelle ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From Munroe at oshkoshpubliclibrary.org Mon Jan 19 12:51:34 2004 From: Munroe at oshkoshpubliclibrary.org (Mara Munroe) Date: Mon Jan 19 13:43:39 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Indexing Aboriginal Names Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Standard cataloging style is to index "Brave Heart, Chief" and make see references from the others. Or insert tribe. Our town is named for the man listed in our subject headings as "Oshkosh, Menominee Chief, 1795-1858"

-----Original Message----- From: Celeste Rider [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:22 AM To: Genealib Mailing List Subject: [Genealib] Indexing Aboriginal Names

I am creating a newspaper index and have come across an Aboriginal name and am stumped as to how to proceed to properly index it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

The name is: Chief Brave Heart, Chief Burnt Thigh, Canta Chitika (Brave Heart)

This is the name exactly as it appears in the newspaper but I am assuming that they are three variations/versions of his name.

Thanks for any help you can offer. Celeste

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I'd interpret that to mean that they didn't use buttons, probably similar to Amish. Perhaps it was supposed to be "Deutsch".

Lori Thornton, Asst. Prof. Technical Services, Technology & Serials Librarian Carson-Newman College Jefferson City TN 37760 [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anita Doering Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:04 AM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: [Genealib] Hook & Eye Dutch

Anita Doering -- Anita Taylor Doering Archivist La Crosse Public Library 800 Main St. La Crosse, WI 54601-4122 (608) 789-7156 fax: (608) 789-7106 http://lacrosselibrary.org/archives/

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From a.doering at lacrosse.lib.wi.us Mon Jan 19 15:49:09 2004 From: a.doering at lacrosse.lib.wi.us (Anita Doering) Date: Mon Jan 19 16:45:40 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Hook & Eye Dutch References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Thanks, everyone, for your help with hook-and-eye Dutch/Deutsch! Old order Amish makes sense.

Anita -- Anita Taylor Doering Archivist La Crosse Public Library 800 Main St. La Crosse, WI 54601-4122 (608) 789-7156 fax: (608) 789-7106 http://lacrosselibrary.org/archives/

From MayadaTCJLeonard at aol.com Mon Jan 19 17:44:47 2004 From: MayadaTCJLeonard at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Mon Jan 19 17:37:21 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Heritage Quest vs. Ancestry Plus Message-ID:

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MayadaTCJLeonard,

AncestryPlus can be accessed on site at libraries that subscribe to it. If the Orange County Public Library does not subscribe to AncestryPlus, I would suggest contacting your local branch of the National Archives. Orange County has one located in Laguna Niguel. According to the National Archives website, access to subscription databases including Ancestry Plus and Heritage Quest are provided on site on NARA terminals. See link: http://www.archives.gov/research_room/alic/research_tools/online_databases.html

To verify the availability of the online databases at the Laguna Niguel facility, you can e-mail them at [email protected] or call them at 949-360-2641.

For more information about the Laguna Niguel facility, follow the link: http://www.archives.gov/facilities/ca/laguna_niguel.html

Sincerely,

Kristen Newton Smith Reference Librarian Algonquin Area Public Library District 2600 Harnish Drive Algonquin, IL 60102

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Heritage Quest vs. Ancestry Plus

I am requesting information on how to access Ancestry Plus rather than Ancestry.Com.? I live in Orange County California and I was not sure which Library or place would offer my to utilize the Ancestry Plus because I do much research. From sharoln at mail.sgcl.org Tue Jan 20 10:44:33 2004 From: sharoln at mail.sgcl.org (Sharol Neely) Date: Tue Jan 20 11:34:46 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Fire at Springfield Mo library Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Didn't know if you heard the bad news...but we had a fire at the Springfield-Greene County [MO] Library Center. Here is the summary sent to staff by Annie Busch, Director:

"Sometime between 11:00 p.m. Sunday and 1:40 a.m. Monday, someone broke into the Library Center through the drive-up window. They set three fires - in English literature and two staff reference cubicles. They attempted a fourth in the reference collection. Gas was brought in as an accelerant and the cans were left behind. The sprinklers went off, putting out the fires, but leaving considerable water damage."

An article in the morning paper (see news-leader.com for more information) quotes Annie as saying, "Damaged were at least 6,000 volumes of the branch's 150,000-volume collection."

Fortunately, the only damage sustained to our Local History and Genealogy area was water damage to the carpet and anything touching the carpet. There was approximately 2 inches of standing water in the sprinkler area by the fire. All the water damage to us was from the spreading out of that water. There is also soot over everything and extremely high humidity level. Hopefully that will not affect our collection since we already have the experts trying to dehumidify the entire building.

Guess this shows that even the best precautions cannot protect against everything!

Sharol Higgins Neely Local History & Genealogy Springfield-Greene County Library 4653 S. Campbell Ave. Springfield MO 65810-1723 EMAIL: [email protected] PHONE: (417) 874-8112 ext 139 FAX: (417) 874-8113

From maire1999 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 08:49:36 2004 From: maire1999 at yahoo.com (Mary Devine) Date: Tue Jan 20 11:53:06 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Fire at Springfield Mo library In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Oh Sharol, I am so sorry to hear about the fire. How horrible people are to damage a library!!! I hope the person is caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent. I hope you will be able to salvage your local history collection as well as other collections within your library that may have sustained any damage. Take care! Mary Devine Reference Librarian Social Sciences Department Boston Public Library

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They must have had a big fine and were trying to get rid of the evidence

Larry Oathout Operations Director Mattoon Public Library P.O. Box 809 Mattoon, IL 61938 217-234-2621 PH 217-234-2660 FX http://www.mattoonlibrary.org

From CheekChronicles at aol.com Tue Jan 20 13:53:42 2004 From: CheekChronicles at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Tue Jan 20 13:47:49 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Unsubscribe - 3rd attempt Message-ID: <[email protected]>

This is the third time I am requesting that you removed me from this mailing list, so far without success. Can you please removed me this time? Thank you. ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040120/ e1cd47f0/attachment.htm From hhgeo at ansernet.rcls.org Tue Jan 20 14:28:34 2004 From: hhgeo at ansernet.rcls.org (Heather Henricksen-Georghiou) Date: Tue Jan 20 14:21:04 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Fire at Springfield Mo library Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Dear Sharol, Good luck on the clean-up. Here at the Newburgh Free Library, Newburgh we had a water main break in 1990. 100,000 gallons of water flooded the building over at least ten hours. It took us months before we were able to re-open. 20,000 of the 258,000 books were lost. The local history department was also fortunate in that the books were not directly hit. However, all the local history books and the remaining undamaged books had to be removed for the drying out process. Watch the humidity in the building. Do not be suprised if you have to remove all of the remaing books.

My thoughts will be with you as you all pick up the pieces. I will also be praying that authories catch the culprit(s) who did this. What a thoughtless thing to do!

Heather H. Georghiou Local History department Newburgh Free Library 124 Grand St. Newburgh, NY 12550 [email protected]

------Original Message ------From: "Sharol Neely" Reply-To: [email protected],Librarians Serving Genealogists Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:44:33 -0600

>Didn't know if you heard the bad news...but we had a fire at the >Springfield-Greene County [MO] Library Center. Here is the summary >sent to staff by Annie Busch, Director: > >"Sometime between 11:00 p.m. Sunday and 1:40 a.m. Monday, someone >broke into the Library Center through the drive-up window. They >set three fires - in English literature and two staff reference >cubicles. They attempted a fourth in the reference collection. >Gas was brought in as an accelerant and the cans were left behind. >The sprinklers went off, putting out the fires, but leaving >considerable water damage." > >An article in the morning paper (see news-leader.com for more >information) quotes Annie as saying, "Damaged were at least 6,000 >volumes of the branch's 150,000-volume collection." > >Fortunately, the only damage sustained to our Local History and >Genealogy area was water damage to the carpet and anything >touching the carpet. There was approximately 2 inches of standing >water in the sprinkler area by the fire. All the water damage to >us was from the spreading out of that water. There is also soot >over everything and extremely high humidity level. Hopefully that >will not affect our collection since we already have the experts >trying to dehumidify the entire building. > >Guess this shows that even the best precautions cannot protect >against everything! > >Sharol Higgins Neely >Local History & Genealogy >Springfield-Greene County Library >4653 S. Campbell Ave. >Springfield MO 65810-1723 >EMAIL: [email protected] >PHONE: (417) 874-8112 ext 139 >FAX: (417) 874-8113 > > > > > > > >______>genealib mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > From Irene.Walters at cityofhouston.net Tue Jan 20 15:54:59 2004 From: Irene.Walters at cityofhouston.net (Walters, Irene - HPL) Date: Tue Jan 20 16:47:28 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Hook & Eye Dutch Message-ID: <0BD1505F7EB5114B9956F32D699303C90123C227@611wex03.cityofhouston.net>

A little extra for the discussion.

In Upstate New York (Lewis & Jefferson Counties) there was a group called "Hook and Eye Baptists." This term comes from the European name for Mennonites "Anabaptists," and from their practice of using metal hooks and eyes to fasten clothing instead of buttons or zippers. The Anabaptists in Europe diverged into two groups one "Mennonites" and the second "Ammanites." Ammanites were also called "Alt differs" or old Baptists and eventually "Amish." In Lewis county the term "Hook and Eye Baptists" refers to the Amish sect. People from both groups of Anabaptists came to Lewis county, New York in the 1800's and both called themselves Mennonites or the Brethern. For a time they held services together since there were not enough people in either group to build two churches. The term "Hook and Eye Baptists" was used in a 1913 newspaper article that described the two religious sects in French Settlement in Lewis County. Personally, I still heard it used in the 1990's by a 70-something gentleman from Lewis county. In upstate New York the Anabaptists were mostly French, Dutch, and Swiss, with a few from Germany, so "Hook and Eye Dutch" may have actually been Dutch people not Germans.

The basic information above is taken from "French Settlement in the Early Days." A pamphlet put out by the Lewis County Historical Society, Lyons Falls, New York in 1991. The pamphlet is made up of a newspaper column called "French Settlement in the Early Days" that was in the Lewis County Democrat starting on September 11, 1913. It traces the early history of Croghan and New Bremen, New York.

Irene B. Walters Houston Public Library Clayton Library, Center for Genealogical Research Houston, Texas

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 January, 2004 10:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Genealib] Hook & Eye Dutch

In a message dated 1/19/2004 11:07:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

Regards, Drew Smith USF School of Library and Information Science.

From pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us Tue Jan 20 12:38:33 2004 From: pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us (Pam Cooper) Date: Wed Jan 21 05:13:06 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Authenticate Ancestry In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID:

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In the last couple of years, it has become obvious that "public" libraries are more and more preserving historical collections and making them available on the Internet. Our library has an extensive local history collection and we need to share it with our community.

Alachua County Public Library in Gainesville has an excellent web site of their collection. http://heritage.acld.lib.fl.us/ - I am impressed with the descriptions of each picture and that it is fully searchable. I know Bobby Powell had a lot to do with that project and she is to be commended.

Has anyone else completed a similar project? Can you send me your URL? I am trying to gather ideas.

Has anyone applied for a grant to help with this kind of project?

All help is appreciated.

Pam

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

From jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us Wed Jan 21 08:52:49 2004 From: jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us (Joyce A. McMullin) Date: Wed Jan 21 08:44:37 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages References: Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Pam & all- The Alexandria Library, Local History/Special Collections has a bunch of local history web sites up. Our first grant was in 1996 from one of the local historical interest organizations and it paid for our 1st scanner from which came the "Historical Alexandria Imaged Database" http://www.alexandria.lib.va.us/lhsc_online_exhibits/haid/frontpage.html which launched in 1998. This site includes photos, 18th century insurance polices, maps, 19th & 20th century building permits, HABS documentation, and "house histories" from our mss collections for selected historical properties.

Then we kinda' went nuts and put up a series of online exhibits http://www.alexandria.lib.va.us/lhsc/exhibit.html featuring visual material from the collections. We expanded into online indexes to the local history collections for which we already had electronic files & print format and then a series of genealogy index projects that were from the beginning destined for the web. These genealogy indexes provide a for a steady stream (well, more of a tiny creek) of income from distant patrons who want copies from the source material.

In 2001 we obtained an LSTA grant to buy our 4th scanner (we do tend to wear them out). This project is for digital preservation of an almost forgotten collection of 40 yr old property tax records gathering dust in the City Archives, "The Tax Assessor's Handiwork" http://www.alexandria.lib.va.us/lhsc_online_collection_guides/proprec/proptax.html This project is in its third & final year of implementation and we presently have 5400 of a projected 8000 records online. With some of the housing stock in Old Town upwards of 200+ years old, local homeowners love doing "house histories." This last project expands our information base exponentially and allows easy access to documentation for thousands of properties for which we otherwise had no information.

Having the scanners also allows our photo dupe service to offer in-house imaging to CD and save the studio fees and all the income for our own projects.

Phew! We need a rest! Lots of luck. Joyce

Pam Cooper wrote:

>In the last couple of years, it has become obvious that "public" libraries >are more and more preserving historical collections and making them >available on the Internet. Our library has an extensive local history >collection and we need to share it with our community. > >Alachua County Public Library in Gainesville has an excellent web site of >their collection. http://heritage.acld.lib.fl.us/ - I am impressed with the >descriptions of each picture and that it is fully searchable. I know Bobby >Powell had a lot to do with that project and she is to be commended. > >Has anyone else completed a similar project? Can you send me your URL? I am >trying to gather ideas. > >Has anyone applied for a grant to help with this kind of project? > >All help is appreciated. > >Pam > >Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor >Indian River County Main Library >Florida History & Genealogy Department >1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 >772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 >Email: [email protected] > > >______>genealib mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > > >

From rsullivan at sals.edu Wed Jan 21 10:48:22 2004 From: rsullivan at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed Jan 21 10:31:14 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

> http://www.alexandria.lib.va.us/lhsc_online_collection_guides/proprec/proptax.html > This project is in its third & final year of implementation and we > presently have 5400 of a projected 8000 records online. With some of > the housing stock in Old Town upwards of 200+ years old, local > homeowners love doing "house histories." This last project expands our > information base exponentially and allows easy access to documentation > for thousands of properties for which we otherwise had no information.

That's a fascinating project. We have no grants and no budget for this sort of thing, but I have gotten some money for a good scanner which I'm using for some state census records in our county clerk's office. Probably be another year before that's ready. I also have some postcard collections to work on. While we have the usual run of census transcripts and cemetery and military records, more recently I have focused on local histories and genealogies in our collection. This has included county histories, the genealogy of the Schermerhorn family, a four-volume regional set covering nine counties in upstate New York and a doctoral dissertation on local Polish and Italian immigrants.

Also popular are materials relating to General Electric and American Locomotive Co., our former major industries. Odd bits I have picked up on eBay include railroad technical manuals, advertisements (a local business paper used one for their entire back page), a 1926 GE personnel manual (a Harvard researcher begged us for more) and one of my current projects, a 1953 steelworker contract.

While our visitors love the images we have made available, having all these full-text resources really sends them into ecstasy. When I announced our most recent additions last week, page views on our history site doubled for a few days, and I think this will be the year that genealogy and history research (always the most heavy-used category of our Web sites) becomes the majority use.

Bob Sullivan Schenectady County Public Library (NY) Schenectady Digital History Archive

From Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org Wed Jan 21 11:31:19 2004 From: Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org (Susan Scouras) Date: Wed Jan 21 11:24:00 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Web pages Message-ID: <[email protected]>

While it is not local history, you may want to take a look at the on-line exhibits of the West Virginia State Archives. Particularly with the U.S.S. West Virginia exhibit, we were able to combine documents and photographs in the Archives collection with photographs of objects held by the West Virginia State Museum. [When collections are received, anything paper comes to the Archives, while all objects and artwork go to the State Museum.] http://www.wvculture.org/history/exhibits.html

One of the most researched topics in the WV Archives and History Library is West Virginia statehood, beginning with the 4th and 8th grade required WV history classes in public school, all the way through doctoral candidates from around the country. We have placed original information written by our staff on-line as well as transcriptions of original documents, with illustrations, photographs and scanned images. Links are provided to related sites. http://www.wvculture.org/history/statehood/statehood.html

Susan Scouras Librarian Archives and History Library WV Division of Culture and History The Cultural Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd. East Charleston, WV 25305-0300 (304) 558-0230, Ext. 742

From tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org Wed Jan 21 12:01:29 2004 From: tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org (Tracy Luscombe) Date: Wed Jan 21 12:53:16 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Unsubscribe - 3rd attempt Message-ID:

I believe you need to go to this page to unsubscribe from the list. http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/options/genealib/

Tracy Luscombe McKinney Memorial Public Library McKinney, TX

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Unsubscribe - 3rd attempt

This is the third time I am requesting that you removed me from this mailing list, so far without success. Can you please removed me this time? Thank you.

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Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might find a grant to help us buy a new microfilm reader? Ours seriously need to be replaced.

Tracy Luscombe Genealogy Librarian McKinney Memorial Public Library McKinney, TX From Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org Wed Jan 21 13:29:07 2004 From: Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org (Susan Scouras) Date: Wed Jan 21 13:21:44 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Grants for Microfilm readers Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I don't have any information on grants, but I suggest you investigate the possibility of a donation of either the funds or the actual reader by one or more of your area societies: DAR, historical society, genealogical society. These groups are usually the heaviest users of a library's readers and will be willing to help.

Susan Scouras Librarian Archives and History Library WV Division of Culture and History The Cultural Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd. East Charleston, WV 25305-0300 (304) 558-0230, Ext. 742

-----Original Message----- From: Tracy Luscombe [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Grants for Microfilm readers

Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might find a grant to help us buy a new microfilm reader? Ours seriously need to be replaced.

Tracy Luscombe Genealogy Librarian McKinney Memorial Public Library McKinney, TX ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From daysa at oplin.org Wed Jan 21 13:47:10 2004 From: daysa at oplin.org (Sandy Day) Date: Wed Jan 21 13:31:21 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages References: Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Pam Our library has the following website that includes images of photos as well as digitized books: www.digitalshoebox.org

After you look at it and see if it fits your scope, contact me and I will be happy to tell you how we funded it. And it was from a federal grant. Sandy Day Schiappa Library Steubenville, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Cooper" To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages

> In the last couple of years, it has become obvious that "public" libraries > are more and more preserving historical collections and making them > available on the Internet. Our library has an extensive local history > collection and we need to share it with our community. > > Alachua County Public Library in Gainesville has an excellent web site of > their collection. http://heritage.acld.lib.fl.us/ - I am impressed with the > descriptions of each picture and that it is fully searchable. I know Bobby > Powell had a lot to do with that project and she is to be commended. > > Has anyone else completed a similar project? Can you send me your URL? I am > trying to gather ideas. > > Has anyone applied for a grant to help with this kind of project? > > All help is appreciated. > > Pam > > Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor > Indian River County Main Library > Florida History & Genealogy Department > 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 > 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 > Email: [email protected] > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From saturlej at libcoop.net Wed Jan 21 14:50:18 2004 From: saturlej at libcoop.net (Jacquelyn Saturley) Date: Wed Jan 21 14:42:39 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages References: Message-ID: <001801c3e057$cc08a100$890a010a@jackiersv>

Pam, I disagree 100% with your assessment of the descriptions of each picture. Totally inappropiate and unprofessional, at least the "one" I saw was not acceptable at all to me.

"A close examination of this delightful scene reveals children's toys that almost any antique collector today would just love to have. The children may not have entirely trusted the photographer--perhaps that explains their solumn expressions. But surely they were having a wonderful time that day."

I do not think it is a cataloger's or an archivists place to make up "ad copy" material, especially to say the children did not trust the photographer. It seems a pretty racist statement was my first impression, and that any statement on their expression or the setting, was inappropiate for a professional.

Jackie S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Cooper" To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages

> In the last couple of years, it has become obvious that "public" libraries > are more and more preserving historical collections and making them > available on the Internet. Our library has an extensive local history > collection and we need to share it with our community. > > Alachua County Public Library in Gainesville has an excellent web site of > their collection. http://heritage.acld.lib.fl.us/ - I am impressed with the > descriptions of each picture and that it is fully searchable. I know Bobby > Powell had a lot to do with that project and she is to be commended. > > Has anyone else completed a similar project? Can you send me your URL? I am > trying to gather ideas. > > Has anyone applied for a grant to help with this kind of project? > > All help is appreciated. > > Pam > > Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor > Indian River County Main Library > Florida History & Genealogy Department > 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 > 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 > Email: [email protected] > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org Wed Jan 21 15:02:51 2004 From: Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org (Susan Scouras) Date: Wed Jan 21 14:55:29 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I agree that if the Web site is an "official" one and not a personal one, that one must be careful not to put a personal interpretation on the photographs. However, I find it somewhat racist myself that you immediately assumed the photographer must have been white. At least that is the implication I see in your comment. Perhaps you would like to look at several collections of photographs housed in the West Virginia State Archives. The professional photographers responsible for most of the photos were African-American as well as the majority of the subjects. http://www.wvculture.org/history/bhm.html

Susan Scouras Librarian Archives and History Library WV Division of Culture and History The Cultural Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd. East Charleston, WV 25305-0300 (304) 558-0230, Ext. 742

-----Original Message----- From: Jacquelyn Saturley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:50 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: Re: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages

Pam, I disagree 100% with your assessment of the descriptions of each picture. Totally inappropiate and unprofessional, at least the "one" I saw was not acceptable at all to me.

Jackie S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Cooper" To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages

> In the last couple of years, it has become obvious that "public" libraries > are more and more preserving historical collections and making them > available on the Internet. Our library has an extensive local history > collection and we need to share it with our community. > > Alachua County Public Library in Gainesville has an excellent web site of > their collection. http://heritage.acld.lib.fl.us/ - I am impressed with the > descriptions of each picture and that it is fully searchable. I know Bobby > Powell had a lot to do with that project and she is to be commended. > > Has anyone else completed a similar project? Can you send me your URL? I am > trying to gather ideas. > > Has anyone applied for a grant to help with this kind of project? > > All help is appreciated. > > Pam > > Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor > Indian River County Main Library > Florida History & Genealogy Department > 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 > 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 > Email: [email protected] > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From dlitzer at scls.lib.wi.us Wed Jan 21 14:28:01 2004 From: dlitzer at scls.lib.wi.us (Don Litzer) Date: Wed Jan 21 15:19:18 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Pam,

McMillan Memorial Library has built our Local History On-Line webpage over the past several years. Go to http://www.mcmillanlibrary.org/local/local_history.html to see for yourself. The site not only includes links to items in our digitized collection, but also to information that will aid others desirous of duplicating our project!

My assistant director and I have co-authored an article on Local History On-Line that is scheduled for publication in the Spring 2004 issue of RUSQ. I just sent back some last corrections on the article proof last week. The article will explain our funding, collection development, etc. aspects of one smallish (40,000 service population, 125k or so collection size) public library's efforts, and even includes some efforts at generating use statistics for LHOL.

Let me know if you'd like more info right now--or wait another couple of months or so for the RUSQ version!

At 12:23 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Pam Cooper wrote: >In the last couple of years, it has become obvious that "public" libraries >are more and more preserving historical collections and making them >available on the Internet. Our library has an extensive local history >collection and we need to share it with our community. > >Alachua County Public Library in Gainesville has an excellent web site of >their collection. http://heritage.acld.lib.fl.us/ - I am impressed with the >descriptions of each picture and that it is fully searchable. I know Bobby >Powell had a lot to do with that project and she is to be commended. > >Has anyone else completed a similar project? Can you send me your URL? I am >trying to gather ideas. > >Has anyone applied for a grant to help with this kind of project? > >All help is appreciated. > >Pam > >Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor >Indian River County Main Library >Florida History & Genealogy Department >1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 >772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 >Email: [email protected] > > >______>genealib mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > Don Litzer Head of Adult Services McMillan Memorial Library 490 E. Grand Avenue Wisconsin Rapids, WI 54494 (715) 423-1040

"Happiness = Reality - Expectations"

From pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us Wed Jan 21 16:26:33 2004 From: pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us (Pam Cooper) Date: Wed Jan 21 16:16:02 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages In-Reply-To: <001801c3e057$cc08a100$890a010a@jackiersv> Message-ID:

Jackie: Please do not assume that I am expressing an opinion on the text.

However, I was expressing my feelings about the layout, ease of use, visual appeal, etc. and the hard work involved in putting together such a useful web site.

My own goal is to build a site that is user friendly and educational. We hope to include scanned-in documents to support the historical correctness of the pictures where possible. Written information will be added and I can only hope that an "opinion" does not accidentally get included - it does happen.

All: I am having such a wonderful time looking at your web sites. Keep them coming. The ideas are flowing. I feel fortunate that I can learn from the experience of others.

Thanks.

Pam

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Saturley Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:50 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: Re: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages

Pam, I disagree 100% with your assessment of the descriptions of each picture. Totally inappropiate and unprofessional, at least the "one" I saw was not acceptable at all to me.

Jackie S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Cooper" To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages

> In the last couple of years, it has become obvious that "public" libraries > are more and more preserving historical collections and making them > available on the Internet. Our library has an extensive local history > collection and we need to share it with our community. > > Alachua County Public Library in Gainesville has an excellent web site of > their collection. http://heritage.acld.lib.fl.us/ - I am impressed with the > descriptions of each picture and that it is fully searchable. I know Bobby > Powell had a lot to do with that project and she is to be commended. > > Has anyone else completed a similar project? Can you send me your URL? I am > trying to gather ideas. > > Has anyone applied for a grant to help with this kind of project? > > All help is appreciated. > > Pam > > Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor > Indian River County Main Library > Florida History & Genealogy Department > 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 > 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 > Email: [email protected] > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

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From Keela at relib.net Wed Jan 21 16:34:57 2004 From: Keela at relib.net (Keela) Date: Wed Jan 21 16:44:35 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages Message-ID: www.whilbr.org

"Western Maryland's Historical Library"

This project is being run by our regional library but I think the entire project was grant-funded. There is an e-mail address provided in the "Contact Us" section, or I could provide you with the name, number, and e-mail for the person in charge.

Keela N. Pfaff Ruth Enlow Library of Garrett County 6 North Second Street Oakland, MD 21550 301-334-3996 ext. 105 [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: Pam Cooper [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:24 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages

Has anyone else completed a similar project? Can you send me your URL? I am trying to gather ideas.

Has anyone applied for a grant to help with this kind of project?

All help is appreciated.

Pam Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From vjones at cpclib.org Wed Jan 21 17:14:49 2004 From: vjones at cpclib.org (Victor T. Jones, Jr.) Date: Wed Jan 21 17:02:06 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c3e06b$fc3a2f60$2501a8c0@NBKR03>

Pam,

The Craven County (N.C.) Digital History Exhibit (http://newbern.cpclib.org/digital/) was funded with LSTA grant funds through NC-ECHO. The newest addition to the Digital History exhibit is the William Garrison Reed photographs. Other online resources for researchers to use is at (http://newbern.cpclib.org/research).

Victor --- Victor T. Jones, Jr. Local History and Genealogy Librarian New Bern-Craven County Public Library 400 Johnson Street New Bern, NC 28560-4098

Phone: (252) 638-7808 Fax: (252) 638-7817 E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://newbern.cpclib.org/

Opinions expressed in this communication are mine and do not necessarily represent the opinions of the library.

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pam Cooper Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:27 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: RE: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages

I am having such a wonderful time looking at your web sites. Keep them coming. The ideas are flowing. I feel fortunate that I can learn from the experience of others.

Thanks. Pam

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

From ksmith at aapld.org Wed Jan 21 16:38:35 2004 From: ksmith at aapld.org (Kristen Smith) Date: Wed Jan 21 17:30:14 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Grants for Microfilm readers Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Tracy,

You may find the following web site useful in your search for grant monies: http://libraryspot.com/features/grantsfeature.htm

Kristen Smith Reference Librarian Algonquin Area Public Library District 2600 Harnish Drive Algonquin, IL 60102

-----Original Message----- From: Susan Scouras [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wed 1/21/2004 12:29 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Cc: Subject: RE: [Genealib] Grants for Microfilm readers

Susan Scouras Librarian Archives and History Library WV Division of Culture and History The Cultural Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd. East Charleston, WV 25305-0300 (304) 558-0230, Ext. 742

-----Original Message----- From: Tracy Luscombe [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Grants for Microfilm readers Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might find a grant to help us buy a new microfilm reader? Ours seriously need to be replaced.

Tracy Luscombe Genealogy Librarian McKinney Memorial Public Library McKinney, TX ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

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I don't know which photo on that site you are referring to. But maybe the caption writer did not consider the following.

Solemn expressions without smiles in late 1800s photos are often a result of the PROCESS not the personality of the subject. The exposure time for early photographs was several seconds. Any movement while the photograph was being taken would blur the image. Evidence of this can be seen in photographs of people and their pets, especially dogs. The dog is usually blurred but the people are in focus. Because of this factor in 19th century photographs, portrait sitters were asked not to smile. Thus the sitter was instructed to maintain a normal facial expression, which could be done without movement, while the plate was exposed.

Georgeann Malowney www.chartiers.com Genealogy in Washington County, PA www.redmondwashington.org Images of America - Redmond, Washington www.irishgenealogy.com www.springfieldohio.org

----- Original Message ----- From: Jacquelyn Saturley To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages

Pam, I disagree 100% with your assessment of the descriptions of each picture. Totally inappropiate and unprofessional, at least the "one" I saw was not acceptable at all to me.

Jackie S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Cooper" To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages

> In the last couple of years, it has become obvious that "public" libraries > are more and more preserving historical collections and making them > available on the Internet. Our library has an extensive local history > collection and we need to share it with our community. > > Alachua County Public Library in Gainesville has an excellent web site of > their collection. http://heritage.acld.lib.fl.us/ - I am impressed with the > descriptions of each picture and that it is fully searchable. I know Bobby > Powell had a lot to do with that project and she is to be commended. > > Has anyone else completed a similar project? Can you send me your URL? I am > trying to gather ideas. > > Has anyone applied for a grant to help with this kind of project? > > All help is appreciated. > > Pam > > Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor > Indian River County Main Library > Florida History & Genealogy Department > 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 > 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 > Email: [email protected] > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

That's right! Also, unlike today's kids who grow up around cameras, those youngsters probably didn't see a lot of them, so they may be just a little wary of someone standing there pointing a box at them.

Larry Oathout Operations Director Mattoon Public Library P.O. Box 809 Mattoon, IL 61938 217-234-2621 PH 217-234-2660 FX http://www.mattoonlibrary.org

From reminder at comcast.net Wed Jan 21 18:58:04 2004 From: reminder at comcast.net (Ceya) Date: Wed Jan 21 19:50:29 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Duplicates for trade References: <71FF2B6D4C93D51180BD0008C7CF0603DCDE70@EXCHSRV1> Message-ID: <05d701c3e082$caf61100$abfbfea9@minderu6v6w262>

Paul, I have just gotten back in town. Is this book still available for swap or trade?

REVOLUTIONARY WAR BOUNTY LAND GRANTS AWARED BY STATE GOVERNMENTS by Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck

Ceya Minder Genealogist/Historian/Preservationist [email protected]

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Subject: [Genealib] Duplicates for trade From Kporterky at aol.com Thu Jan 22 13:48:09 2004 From: Kporterky at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Thu Jan 22 13:40:41 2004 Subject: [Genealib] (no subject) Message-ID: <[email protected]> please delete me from your list. Thank you. ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040122/7cbde8ed/ attachment.htm From bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us Thu Jan 22 14:08:28 2004 From: bteschek at hampton.lib.nh.us (Bill Teschek) Date: Thu Jan 22 14:01:29 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <400FD95C.422.29A371B0@localhost>

Here at the Lane Memorial (Public) Library in Hampton, NH we have been posting local history and genealogy to our website since its inception in 1996. At present there is over gigabyte of content, including thousands of pages of history and digitized photos, as well as a genealogical database of over 20,000 people.

The content can be accessed from here: http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us/hampton/history.htm

All of this has been accomplished pretty much "on the fly" without any additional funding outside of the library's normal operating budget. Most has been accomplished by volunteers, including one very active local historian who works in the library an average of 25-30 hours per week (more than some of our part-time paid staff!) on various projects.

Our goal has been to digitize (mostly in html rather than pdf format) as much of the historical writings on our town as possible. We have made available all of the major town histories and smaller pamphlets that have been published, and have added hundreds of old magazine and newspaper articles as well. We have agreements with our local newspapers that allow us to post on our website any article from past or present issues. There is a never-ending supply of content here in over 100 years of newspapers. We also make available an index to the local papers from about 1997 to the present, also done by a volunteer.

Our genealogical database is maintained by a volunteer in California, a continent away. He began in 1997 by entering all the data from the nearly 500- page published genealogies of Hampton residents contained in volume two of the local history, first published in 1893, into his genealogy database program (Reunion). Since that time we have expanded to other sources and made may corrections and additions to the original content. We have dug through the published genealogical journal literature to find articles on local families and have added names and dates and corrections. It used to be stored on our website but now is kept in the Rootsweb WorldConnect database, where it will receive greater use. This database can be found here: http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us/genealog/index.htm

Bill Teschek [email protected] Pam Cooper wrote:

Has anyone else completed a similar project? Can you send me your URL? I am trying to gather ideas.

Has anyone applied for a grant to help with this kind of project?

All help is appreciated.

Pam

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From BKiersh at coj.net Thu Jan 22 14:25:53 2004 From: BKiersh at coj.net (Barbara Kiersh) Date: Thu Jan 22 14:18:27 2004 Subject: [Genealib] interesting name question Message-ID:

Hello List,

One of our catalogers would like to get to the bottom of a story her grandfather told her. The family name is Chamberlin, spelled without the "a". The grandfather told her that the family had to leave either Scotland or Ireland in the late 1700s. because the father was a convicted horse thief and wasn't allowed to keep the "a" in the name. Now this sounds like one of these family myths, but she spoke to someone else who said that their family had to drop the "a" in their name because there was a convicted horse thief in the family.

Has anyone heard of anything like this?

Barbara Kiersh Genealogy Dept. Jacksonville (FL) PL ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040122/941f6d9e/ attachment.htm From dlitzer at scls.lib.wi.us Thu Jan 22 15:27:30 2004 From: dlitzer at scls.lib.wi.us (Don Litzer) Date: Thu Jan 22 16:18:47 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Dear List,

To follow up on my earlier post, my colleague had a couple of good points regarding our approach, which I've quoted below. Hope this helps the discussion!

[begin excerpt] Some sites have focused on indexing photos and serving them from a database. Due to the nature of the first large item we digitized (a scrapbook), we have stayed with a scrapbook style approach. It is part of the visible Internet, unlike databases which conceal items from search engines. Again, many sites have digitized texts and serve the pages one at a time. We have opted to combined them in a book-like form, where they can be searched using search engines, rather than requiring patrons to find and use local search tools.

I can (and have in the past) go on at great length about the -/+ of the matter, but not in an email.

If lust and hate is the candy, if blood and love tastes so sweet, then we give `em what they want - 10k Maniacs

Andy Barnett, Asst. Director McMillan Memorial Library 490 East Grand Ave. Wisconsin Rapids, WI 54494 www.mcmillanlibrary.org 715-423-5144 (phone) 715-423-2665 (fax) [end excerpt] Don Litzer Head of Adult Services McMillan Memorial Library 490 E. Grand Avenue Wisconsin Rapids, WI 54494 (715) 423-1040

"Happiness = Reality - Expectations"

From RGWSPOON at aol.com Thu Jan 22 17:05:07 2004 From: RGWSPOON at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Thu Jan 22 16:59:46 2004 Subject: [Genealib] (no subject) Message-ID:

Drew,

In a message dated 1/22/2004 10:49:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] asks to be "deleted" from the list.

The process of Unsubscribing is quite easy if people will just go to the "mailman" website address listed at the bottom of every genealib email message; however, the process might be improved if two changes are made. First, in the postscript listing the mailman website address, I suggest you add a lead-in statement, "To learn about Genealib, to subscribe or unsubscribe, to edit your options or to get a reminder of your password, go to: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

Second, on the mailman page, all of the instructional sections EXCEPT for how to unsubscribe have titles in large boldface print. The instructions for unsubscribing seem to be hidden as part of the instructions for gaining access to the subscriber list. How about giving us a big, bold "TO UNSUBSCRIBE" and move those instructions to a position immediately following "How to Subscribe."

Best wishes from a fellow list administrator.

Bob Witherspoon ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040122/336fb3de/ attachment.htm From CALouderback at hswp.org Fri Jan 23 09:52:05 2004 From: CALouderback at hswp.org (C. Arthur Louderback) Date: Fri Jan 23 09:40:48 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Local History Web Pages Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Hi,

The Historical Society of Western Pennsylvania and the University of Pittsburgh have been working on a site concerning the history of the Pittsburgh area for the last five years. We have full text searchable books, census schedules, maps and plat books, finding aids for archival collections and soon, with the collaboration of the Carnegie Museum of Art, will add thousands of photographs with searchable descriptions and subject headings. This site can be reached at: http://digital.library.pitt.edu/pittsburgh/

The HSWP also has a photographic site that keeps growing at: http://www.lifeinwesternpa.org/

Art Louderback Cataloging and Reference Librarian Historical Society of Western Pennsylvania 412 454-6360 [email protected]

From pal-am.lib at juno.com Fri Jan 23 10:19:47 2004 From: pal-am.lib at juno.com (Ann M Scott) Date: Fri Jan 23 10:33:37 2004 Subject: [Genealib] (no subject) Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Dennis,

Don't get discouraged. You've had marvelous results writing to Germany so far (Peter, e.g.)--keep it up.

Ann Scott On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:05:07 EST [email protected] writes: Drew,

In a message dated 1/22/2004 10:49:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] asks to be "deleted" from the list.

First, in the postscript listing the mailman website address, I suggest you add a lead-in statement, "To learn about Genealib, to subscribe or unsubscribe, to edit your options or to get a reminder of your password, go to: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

Best wishes from a fellow list administrator.

Bob Witherspoon ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040123/9c6481a9/ attachment.htm From PIMMEL at SLOMA.state.oh.us Fri Jan 23 12:38:58 2004 From: PIMMEL at SLOMA.state.oh.us (Paul Immel) Date: Fri Jan 23 12:33:01 2004 Subject: [Genealib] PERSI on HeritageQuest Message-ID: <71FF2B6D4C93D51180BD0008C7CF0603DCDEAF@EXCHSRV1>

Does anyone know about the status of PERSI's (Periodical Source Index) reappearance as a database on HeritageQuest Online? I thought it was to reappear in January or early this year. Since Ancestry dropped it, it has been sorely missed!

Thanks,

Paul Immel Genealogy Services Librarian State Library of Ohio 274 E. 1st Ave. Columbus, OH 43201 (614) 387-1186 (614) 644-6966 From mjstevens at camden.lib.nj.us Fri Jan 23 15:15:34 2004 From: mjstevens at camden.lib.nj.us (Stevens, MaryJane) Date: Fri Jan 23 15:08:00 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Canadian Passenger Steamship Arrivals Message-ID: Dear List Members, A patron has asked if I can locate a book like the Morton Allan Directory, listing ships and their arrival dates for Canadian ports, covering the years 1899-1902. Specifically, he was looking for the S.S.Lake Champlain which was built in 1900 (according to Anuta's Ships of our Ancestors), but patron thinks it may have been built in 1899 for the Elder Demster Line; he wants arrival dates for it at Canadian ports before July 25, 1902. I looked at www.theshipslist.com, which says a list for 1900 is "in the works". They also list a CDRom for Passenger Ship Arrivals Canadian Ports 1864-1899, which might help him for 1899, but he asked for a book. I checked the National Archives of Canada website, but I could only find passenger lists, not ship arrivals. I also looked at Allen County Library's online catalog and found a book by Dave Obee, called Destination Canada; a guide to 20th century immigration records, but have no way of checking to see if it contains lists of ships. Any suggestions anyone can give me to help this patron would be appreciated. Thanks. Mary Jane Stevens Sr. Reference Librarian Camden County Library, Voorhees, NJ 08043 email: [email protected]

From DMoneta at lib.az.us Fri Jan 23 13:40:42 2004 From: DMoneta at lib.az.us (Daniela Moneta) Date: Fri Jan 23 15:33:10 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Books to Trade Message-ID:

We have put together a list of books to trade. We would like to trade for county histories or anything of genealogical value at the county level, i.e., marriage, deeds, probate, etc. We are not interested in census records in print since we have online access to census and our shelves are crowed. Please let me know in a separate email if you have anything you would like to trade.

Ancestors & Descendants of Hiram G. Lacey & Sophia Sell By Their Grandchildren. Compiled and Published by Garland Howard Lacey, 1995. 604 pp. [Hardcover, like new.]

Ancestry's Concise Genealogical Dictionary. Compiled by Maurine and Glen Harris. Ancestry Publishing, 1989. 259 pp. [Paperback.]

Ancestry's Guide to Research, Case Studies in American Genealogy. By Johni Cerny & Arlene Eakle. Ancestry Inc., 1985. 364 pp. [Three Paperback copies, one like new.]

Arizona Edition. American Biographical Encyclopedia: Profiles of Prominent Personalities, Volume I. By Paul W. Pollock. Paul W. Pollock, 1967. 343 pp. [Hardcover, like new.]

Cavaliers and Pioneers: Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Supplement Northern Neck Grants No. 1 1690-1692. Abstracted by Nell Marion Nugent. Virginia State Library, 1980. 18 pp. [Two Paperback copies]

Cecil County, Maryland Marriage Licenses, 1777-1840. Copied by DAR. Gen. Pub. Co., 1976. 105 pp. [Paperback.]

Chicago and Cook County Sources. By Loretto Dennis Szucs. Ancestry Pub., 1986. 334 pp. [Paperback.]

Colonial Families of the Southern States of America. By Stella Pickett Hardy. Gen. Pub. Co., 1991. Reprint 1911. 643 pp. [New looking. Some underlining. Hardcover.]

Currier Family Records of U.S.A. and Canada, Volume I: Descendants of Richard Currier (1616-1686-7) of Salisbury and Amesbury, Masschusetts. Compiled and Published by Philip Joseph Currier, 1984. 663 pp. [Hardcover.]

Currier Family Records of U.S.A. and Canada, Volume II: Descendants of Jeffrey Currier of the Isles of Shoals and Portsmouth,.... Compiled and Published by Philip Joseph Currier, 1984. 397 pp. [Hardcover.]

Currier Family Records of U.S.A. and Canada, Volume III: Combined Indexes for Both Volume I and Volume II.... Compiled and Published by Philip Joseph Currier, 1984. 206 pp. [Hardcover.]

Descriptive Inventory of The English Collection (Manuscript Collection Gen. Soc. Utah). Editor Roger M. Haigh. University of Utah Press, 1979. 168 pp. [Paperback.]

Double Butte Cemetery Tempe, Arizona. Compiled and Published by The Family History Society of Arizona, 1995. 240 pp. [Spiral bound paperback.]

Early Lutheran Baptisms and Marriages in Southeastern Pennsylvania: The Records of Rev. John Casper Stoever from 1730 to 1779. Originally Records of Rev. John Casper Stoever, 1896. With index by Elizabeth P. Bentley. Gen. Pub. Co., 1998. 107 pp. [Hardcover.]

Early Pennsylvania Births, 1675-1875. Compiled by Charles A. Fisher. Gen. Pub. Co., 1986. 107 pp. [Paperback.]

1820 Federal Census for Indiana. Compiled by Willard Heiss. The Genealogy Section of The Indiana Historical Society, 1975 Reprint. 231 pp. [Hardcover.]

A Genealogical Handbook of German Research. By Larry Jensen. Published by Larry O. Jensen, Revised Edition, 1980. 209 pp. [Spiral bound Paperback, soiled.]

Genealogical Research in England and Wales, Vol. 1. By David E. Gardner and Frank Smith. Bookcraft Publishers, 1974. 296 pp. [Hardcover, dust jacket.]

Genealogical Research in England and Wales, Vol. 2. By David E. Gardner and Frank Smith. Bookcraft Publishers, 1972. 432 pp. [Hardcover, dust jacket.]

Genealogical Research in England and Wales, Volume 3: Old English Handwriting, Latin Research Standards and Procedures. By David E. Gardner and Frank Smith. Bookcraft Publishers, 1966. 158pp. [Hardcover.]

Genealogical Research in New England. Edited by Ralph J. Crandall. Gen. Pub. Co., 1984. 190 pp. [Hardcover, like new.]

Genealogical Sources Reprinted from The Genealogy Section Indiana Magazine of History. Compiled by Dorothy L. Riker. Family History & Genealogy Section, Indiana Historical Society, 1979. 470 pp.[Hardcover.]

A Genealogy of The Hiester Family. By V. E. C. Hill. Report Publishing Co., 1903. 65 pp. [Photocopy.]

The Gold Key to Writing Your Life History. In Honor of Washington State's Centennial 1889-1989.By Leone Noble Western. Western + Vollmer, 1988. 116 pp. [Paperback.]

Guide to County Records in the Illinois Regional Archives. By Roy C. Turnbaugh, Jr. Illinois State Archives, 1983. 376 pp. [Paperback.]

History of the Rock Presbyterian Church in Cecil County, Maryland. By J.H. Johns. Oxford Press, 1872. 39 pp. [Photocopy.]

Immigrant Ancestors: A List of 2,500 Immigrants to America before 1750. Extracted from Volume VII Compendium of American Genealogy. Edited by Frederick Adams Virkus. Gen. Pub. Co., 1980. 75 pp. [Paperback.]

Index to Marriages of Old Rappahannock and Essex Counties, Virginia 1655-1900. By Eva Eubank Wilkerson. Gen. Pub. Co., 1983. 256 pp. [Hardcover.]

In Search of Your Roots: A Guide for Canadians Seeking Their Ancestors. By Angus Baxter. MacMillan of Canada, 1986, Revised and Updated 1978. 303 pp. [Paperback.]

Irish Records Sources for Family & Local History. By James G. Ryan. Ancestry Pub., 1988. 562 pp. [Hardcover, ragged dust cover.]

The Lurline H. Coltharp Collection of Onomastics: A Bibliography. Compiled by Roberta Arney. The University of Texas at El Paso Library, 1991. 63 pp. [Spiral bound Paperback.]

The Lurline H. Coltharp Collection of Onomastics: A Bibliography. Compiled by Roberta Arney. The University of Texas at El Paso Library, 1993. 74 pp. [Spiral bound Paperback.]

Managing a Genealogical Project. By William Dollarhide. Gen. Pub. Co., 1988. 79 pp. [Paperback.]

Marriage Bonds and Other Marriage Records of Amherst County, Virginia 1763-1800. Compiled by William Montgomery Sweeny. Gen. Pub. Co., 1980. 102 pp. [Hardcover.]

Marriage Notices 1785-1794 for the Whole United States, copied from the Massachusetts Centinel and the Columbian Centinel. By Charles Knowles Bolton. Gen. Pub. Co., 1980, reprint of 1900. 139 pp. [Hardcover, new.]

Marriages of Some American Residents and Guide to Documents, Volume I. Compiled and Published by Yates Publishing Co., original 1986, second printing 1987. 191 pp. [Paperback, some pages were folded.]

Marriages of Some American Residents and Guide to Documents, Volume IV. Compiled and Published by Yates Publishing Co., 1986. 213 pp. [Paperback.]

Marriages of Some American Residents and Guide to Documents, Volume V. Compiled and Published by Yates Publishing Co., 1987. 222 pp. [Paperback.] A Moseley Genealogy, Volume II. By Thomas Byrd Moseley, Jr. Thomas B. Moseley, Jr., 1996. 627 pp. [Spiral bound vinyl cover.]

Ohio County (WV) Index Volume 1: Index to the County Court Order Books Part 1-Miscellaneous Name Index By County Office, Business, Etc. 1777-1881. From the collection of the West Virginia and Regional History Collection, West Virginia University, Morgantown, WV. Compiled by Kenneth Fischer Craft, Jr. Heritage Books, 1997. 293 pp. [Paperback.]

Ohio County (WV) Index Volume 2: Index to the County Court Order Books Part 2-Revolutionary War Pensions and 'Road Orders', 1777-1881. From the Collection of the West Virginia and Regional History Collection, West Virginia University, Morgantown, WV, plus Gazetteer & Map Book from the Collections of the U.S. Geological Survey;.... Compiled by Kenneth Fischer Craft, Jr. Heritage Books, 1998. 726 pp. [Paperback, like new.]

Ohio Families: A Bibliography of Books About Ohio Families. By Donald M. Hehir. Heritage Books, Inc., 1993. 403 pp. [Paperback.]

Old Churches Ministers and Families of Virginia. By Bishop William Meade. Reprint with digested index . . . . Vol. 2 only. Gen. Pub. Co., 1978. Reprint of 1857 ed. 610 pp. [Hardcover, like new.]

One Family's Story, Second Edition, Gr?tzinger, Cretsinger, Crutsinger, Curtsinger, Cutsinger, Kretsinger, Krutsinger. By Janette Barnes Cutsinger and Garland Howard Lacey. Pub. by Garland Howard Lacey, 1999. 824 pp. [Hardcover, like new.]

Pennsylvania German Immigrants 1709-1786, Lists Consolidated from Yearbooks of The Pennsylvania German Folklore Society. Edited by Don Yoder. Gen. Pub. Co., 1980. 394 pp. [Hardcover.]

Pennsylvania Marriages Prior to 1790, Names of Persons For Whom Marriage Licenses Were Issued in the Province of Pennsylvania.... Reprint from Pennsylvania Archives Series 2, Volume 2, 1890. Gen. Pub. Co., 1968. 292 pp. [Hardcover.]

Photographing Your Heritage. By Wilma Sadler Shull. Ancestry Pub., 1988. 128 pp. [Paperback.]

Pioneer Ancestors of Members of the Society of Indiana Pioneers. Compiled by Ruth Dorrel. Family History Section, Indiana Historical Society, 1983. 245 pp. [Two Paperback copies.]

Prussia: Brandenburg, East Prussia, West Prussia, Pomerania, Posen, The Atlantic Bridge to Germany, Volume VIII. By Charles M. Hall. Monda Genealoga Ligo, n.d. 255 pp. [Paperback.]

Psychic Roots, Serendipity & Intuition in Genealogy. By Henry Z Jones, Jr. Gen. Pub. Co., 1993. 236 pp. [Paperback, like new.]

Quaker Arrivals at Philadelphia 1682-1750. By Albert Cook Myers. Southern Book Co., 1957. 131 pp. [Paperback, cover soiled.]

The Researcher's Guide to American Genealogy. By Val D. Greenwood. Gen Pub. Co., 1978. 535 pp. [Hardcover.]

Roster of Certified Persons. Board for Certification of Genealogists, 1993. 33 pp. Also, Roster of Certified Persons Up-Date to January 1994. 6 pp. [Paperback.]

The Search for Henry Cross: An Adventure in Biography and Americana. By W. Douglas Hartley. Indiana Historical Society, 1966. 168 pp. [Paperback.]

Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors of Members of the National Society Colonial Dames XVII Century 1915-1975. Compiled by Mary Louise Marshall Hutton. Gen. Pub. Co., 1987. 317 pp. [Hardcover.]

Shaking Your Family Tree: A Basic Guide to Tracing Your Family's Genealogy. By Dr. Ralph Crandall. Yankee Publishing, 1986. 256 pp. [Hardcover, dust jacket, like new.]

South Carolina Marriages, 1688-1799. Compiled by Brent H. Holcomb. Gen. Pub. Co., 1983. 349 pp. [Hardcover.]

That Their Children May Know: A Record of the Descendants of Edward Tolton. By Lula Tolton Tanner. n.p., n.d. 162 pp. [Hardcover.]

Tracing Your Irish Ancestors. By Peggy Magee. Magee Publications, 1986. 84 pp. [Paperback, signed by author, some underlining.]

Twenty-Four Hundred Tennessee Pensioners: Revolution War of 1812. By Zella Armstrong. Gen. Pub. Co., 1987. 121 pp. [Two Paperback copies, some pages separating from binding on one copy.]

The Vestry Book and Register of St. Peter's Parish, New Kent and James City Counties, VA 1706-1786. Reprint. Edited C. G. Chamberlayne. VA State Library, 1989. 840 pp. [Paperback.]

Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume I [The Original 34 Volumes Reprinted in 3]. By Beverley Fleet. Gen. Pub. Co., 1988. 828 pp. [Hardcover, some page corners were folded, some underlining.]

Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume III [The Original 34 Volumes Reprinted in 3]. By Beverley Fleet. Gen. Pub. Co., 1988. 652 pp. [Hardcover, some page corners were folded, some underlining.]

Virginia Colonial Soldiers. By Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck. Gen. Pub. Co., 1988. 443 pp. [Hardcover, dust jacket.]

Virginia Genealogy Sources & Resources. By Carol McGinnis. Gen. Pub. Co., 1993. 494 pp. [Hardcover.]

Virginia Tax Payers 1782-87 Other Than Those Published by the United States Census Bureau. By Augusta B. Fothergill and John Mark Naugle. Originally Published 1940. Gen. Pub. Co., 1974. 142 pp. [Hardcover.]

Virginia Wills and Administrations 1632-1800, An Index of Wills Recorded in Local Courts of Virginia.... Compiled by Clayton Torrence. Gen. Pub. Co., 1985. 483 pp. [Hardcover.]

Virginia Vital Records from The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, the William and Mary College Quarterly, and Tyler's Quarterly. Indexed by Judith McGhan. Gen. Pub. Co., 1984. 835 pp. [Hardcover, some page corners were folded, some underlining.]

Virginia's Colonial Soldiers. By Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck. Gen. Pub. Co., 1988. 443 pp. [Hardcover, almost new.]

Washington County, Ohio Marriages 1789-1840. Compiled by Bernice Graham & Elizabeth S. Cottle. Gen. Pub. Co., 1976. 98 pp. [Hardcover.]

The Welcome Claimants Proved, Disproved and Doubtful with an Account of Some of Their Descendants. Penn's Colony Vol. II. By George E. McCracken. The Welcome Society of Pennsylvania, 1985. 660 pp. [Hardcover.]

Wills of Westmoreland County, VA 1654-1800. By Augusta B. Fothergill. Appeals Press, 1925. 229 pp. [Paperback.]

Writing the Family Narrative. By Lawrence P. Goulprup, Ph.D. Ancestry, Inc., 1987. 157 pp. [Paperback, like new.]

Thank you, Daniela Moneta From pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us Fri Jan 23 16:11:31 2004 From: pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us (Pam Cooper) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:00:43 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Books to Trade In-Reply-To: Message-ID:

Hi Daniela: I have the following I could exchange for the two titles below:

History of Turner County (GA) by John Pate, 222p. (New in sealed wrap.)

History of Monroe County, WV by Oren Morton 509 p. (New)

History of Albemarle County in Virginia by Rev Edgar Woods 459p. (New)

Hope we can trade!

Pam

Ancestors & Descendants of Hiram G. Lacey & Sophia Sell By Their Grandchildren. Compiled and Published by Garland Howard Lacey, 1995. 604 pp. [Hardcover, like new.]

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Daniela Moneta Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:41 PM To: '[email protected]' Subject: [Genealib] Books to Trade

From pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us Fri Jan 23 16:16:18 2004 From: pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us (Pam Cooper) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:05:29 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Canadian Passenger Steamship Arrivals In-Reply-To: Message-ID:

Mary Jane: I have a book called" Trans-Atlantic Passenger Ships: Past and Present." I call it my "Bible" of passenger ships. This is information about the ship(s):

Lake Champlain (1874) Beaver Line Built at Glasgow, Scotland. Tonnage: 2207. Dimensions: 321' x 35'. Single-screw, 12 knots. Note: stranded on Antrim June 30, 1886, with no loss of life. She was later related, sold and renamed Lismore.

Lake Champlain (1900) Canadian Pacific Line Built by Barclay, Curle & Co., Ltd., Glasgow. Tonnage: 7392. Dimensions: 446' x 52'. Twin-screw, 13 knots. Four masts and one funnel. Note: Originally owned by the Beaver Line. Renamed: Regina. Sister ship Lake Erie

The above information is important because of ownership. This web site provides you with information about the Beaver Line: http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_shiplist.asp?co=beave

Web site for Canadian passenger lists http://www.ingeneas.com/ - Not complete, but interesting.

The actual passenger lists can be found at the National Archives in Toronto. http://www.archives.ca/02/020202/0202020401_e.html

As an aside, my father worked for the Canadian Pacific Railroad for over 35 years and he worked for the division that handled the freight on their ships.

Pam

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Stevens, MaryJane Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:16 PM To: '[email protected]' Subject: [Genealib] Canadian Passenger Steamship Arrivals

Dear List Members, A patron has asked if I can locate a book like the Morton Allan Directory, listing ships and their arrival dates for Canadian ports, covering the years 1899-1902. Specifically, he was looking for the S.S.Lake Champlain which was built in 1900 (according to Anuta's Ships of our Ancestors), but patron thinks it may have been built in 1899 for the Elder Demster Line; he wants arrival dates for it at Canadian ports before July 25, 1902. I looked at www.theshipslist.com, which says a list for 1900 is "in the works". They also list a CDRom for Passenger Ship Arrivals Canadian Ports 1864-1899, which might help him for 1899, but he asked for a book. I checked the National Archives of Canada website, but I could only find passenger lists, not ship arrivals. I also looked at Allen County Library's online catalog and found a book by Dave Obee, called Destination Canada; a guide to 20th century immigration records, but have no way of checking to see if it contains lists of ships. Any suggestions anyone can give me to help this patron would be appreciated. Thanks. Mary Jane Stevens Sr. Reference Librarian Camden County Library, Voorhees, NJ 08043 email: [email protected]

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From pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us Fri Jan 23 16:29:42 2004 From: pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us (Pam Cooper) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:18:52 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Canadian Passenger Steamship Arrivals In-Reply-To: Message-ID:

Sorry, but on the first ship, the word "related should be refloated. Brain not working right today.

Pam

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Pam Cooper Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 4:16 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: RE: [Genealib] Canadian Passenger Steamship Arrivals

Mary Jane: I have a book called" Trans-Atlantic Passenger Ships: Past and Present." I call it my "Bible" of passenger ships. This is information about the ship(s):

The above information is important because of ownership. This web site provides you with information about the Beaver Line: http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_shiplist.asp?co=beave

Web site for Canadian passenger lists http://www.ingeneas.com/ - Not complete, but interesting.

The actual passenger lists can be found at the National Archives in Toronto. http://www.archives.ca/02/020202/0202020401_e.html

As an aside, my father worked for the Canadian Pacific Railroad for over 35 years and he worked for the division that handled the freight on their ships.

Pam

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

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From prickard at monroe.lib.mi.us Fri Jan 23 16:36:44 2004 From: prickard at monroe.lib.mi.us (Phyllis Rickard) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:26:47 2004 Subject: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine Message-ID: <004001c3e1f9$0226a820$e400a8c0@floss>

Hello.

Today we received an offer for a free copy of "Family Tree" magazine. If I send for this we'll get an invoice which can be cancelled. Has anyone seen a copy of this magazine?

Thank you.

Phyllis Rickard A-V Librarian Lenawee County Library [email protected]

From Suzanne.Levy at fairfaxcounty.gov Fri Jan 23 16:42:41 2004 From: Suzanne.Levy at fairfaxcounty.gov (Levy, Suzanne S.) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:35:07 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Attn: Daniela Moneta Message-ID:

Hi Daniela,

I could use this title:

Early Pennsylvania Births, 1675-1875. Compiled by Charles A. Fisher. Gen. Pub. Co., 1986. 107 pp. [Paperback.]

Suzanne Levy From cringel at webrary.org Fri Jan 23 16:01:25 2004 From: cringel at webrary.org (Colleen Ringel) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:53:52 2004 Subject: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine Message-ID: <[email protected]>

If it is the one from F+W Publications, Inc. 4700 East Galbraith Road, Cincinnati, OH 45236, it is a great magazine. Lots of information, lots of websites. Our library has subscribed to it for the last 3 years and I have personally had a subscription since its premier. Our patrons love and use it often, and get quite upset when it isn't available .

There is also another magazine by the same name that is from a British publisher. Not as useful for the American public but not bad.

Colleen Ringel

Reference/Business Librarian Morton Grove Public Library Morton Grove, IL 60053 (847) 965-4220 [email protected] http://www.webrary.org Opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect official Library policy.

------>From: "Phyllis Rickard" >To: >Subject: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine >Date: Fri, Jan 23, 2004, 3:36 PM >

> Hello. > > Today we received an offer for a free copy of "Family Tree" magazine. If I > send for this we'll get an invoice which can be cancelled. Has anyone seen a > copy of this magazine? > > Thank you. > > Phyllis Rickard > A-V Librarian > Lenawee County Library > [email protected] > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From bcoup at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 23 18:02:34 2004 From: bcoup at bellsouth.net (Bill Coup) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:54:51 2004 Subject: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine References: <004001c3e1f9$0226a820$e400a8c0@floss> Message-ID: <001c01c3e204$fcf81850$0200a8c0@yourdtsz30gwaq>

Dear Phyllis and others,

I have a personal subscription to this magazine and I highly recommend it. It has very good articles and valuable insights about all phases of genealogy. You can't lose if you try it.

Bill Coup Boca Raton, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Rickard" To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 4:36 PM Subject: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine

From rmitchel at coin.org Fri Jan 23 17:19:12 2004 From: rmitchel at coin.org (Ronda Mitchell) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:58:14 2004 Subject: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine References: <004001c3e1f9$0226a820$e400a8c0@floss> Message-ID: <000501c3e207$4ff06970$06011e0a@NEWDBRL> please remove me from the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Rickard" To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine

From MMannixFCPL at aol.com Sat Jan 24 15:37:11 2004 From: MMannixFCPL at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Sat Jan 24 15:36:09 2004 Subject: [Genealib] What's a loafer -- thanks!! Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Sorry -- once again -- for my tardiness, been away from e-mail for a week or so. Thanks to all for help with loafer. I am leaning towards the baker idea, but, will, of course, give my patron the whole nine yards. Would someone really put down that they simply don't like to work on a marriage license?? If one did, one could say, I suppose, if the marriage did not live up to the bride's ideals, that she certainly had some farewarning of the character of her groom -- honestly aside. :) That was the definition of loafer that came immediately to my mind. As always, much thanks, Mary

Mary K. Mannix, M.A., M.L.S. Maryland Room Manager C. Burr Artz Central Library Frederick County Public Libraries Frederick, MD From MMannixFCPL at aol.com Sat Jan 24 15:56:26 2004 From: MMannixFCPL at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Sat Jan 24 15:48:54 2004 Subject: [Genealib] To lock or not to lock... Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I know I am quite late on this but just want to throw in one more vote for lock that door. And, if anyone really does not agree with you have them read _The Island of Lost Maps_. Also see the October 03 issue of _American Libraries_ and the article entitled "The $ecret Inside Your Library's Atlases". We do not even leave the door unlocked in the am before we open if one of us is not in the room. But, we function more as an archival repository than a library. My books are also the only books in the system with tattletapes. However along different security trains of thoughts ... I recently took a half-day course in workplace violence and along those lines ... rooms should have doors and if you have a door it should have a lock that works because you simply don't know where violence will erupt. There may simply be times when you have to say this far and no further. The policewoman who gave the presentation mentioned one time when a patron at a particular library was being chased by someone\someones and she ran behind the circ desk, into the workroom and a member of the circ staff had to throw themselves against the door because it did not lock. Simply put ... you never know.

Mary K. Mannix, M.A., M.L.S. Maryland Room Manager C. Burr Artz Central Library Frederick County Public Libraries Frederick, MD From rider.family at sasktel.net Sun Jan 25 10:41:22 2004 From: rider.family at sasktel.net (Celeste Rider) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:19:50 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Canadian Passenger Steamship Arrivals References: Message-ID: <000401c3e362$29bc1cc0$409cfea9@6xlq801>

"Ship Notifications of Arrival" These lists were prepared each year by Immigration Officials and provide the ship's name, port and date of arrival, and usually the port and date of departure, sometimes also listing special immigrant groups aboard. The Notifications of Arrival are grouped together in five sets: Quebec 1865-1880; Quebec and Halifax (interfiled by year) 1881-1900; Quebec, Halifax and St. John (interfiled by month or year) 1900-1921; New York 1906-1922; and Eastern U.S. ports (interfiled in order of ship arrival) 1905-1921. These lists can be found on microfilm: NAC, RG 76, reel T-5460 (all ports except Sydney, Vancouver and Victoria, 1865-1921), and reels T-4876/T-4877 (Vancouver and Victoria, 1905-1922). You must know the name of the ship to use these microfilm lists. NAC shelf lists for manifests dated 1865-1908 give a ship-by-ship list of holdings as they appear on the reels (slightly different order than in the Notifications, and more complete); these are available on reels T-4624 (Quebec and Halifax, 1865-1900) and T-976 (all ports, 1899-1908).

As far as I'm aware, these resources are not published in book form. In any case, I hope the information is useful.

Celeste Rider Saskatchewan, Canada (Librarian, Saskatchewan Genealogical Society - www.saskgenealogy.com)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevens, MaryJane" To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:15 PM Subject: [Genealib] Canadian Passenger Steamship Arrivals

> Dear List Members, > A patron has asked if I can locate a book like the Morton Allan Directory, > listing ships and their arrival dates for Canadian ports, covering the years > 1899-1902. > Specifically, he was looking for the S.S.Lake Champlain which was built in > 1900 (according to Anuta's Ships of our Ancestors), but patron thinks it may > have been built in 1899 for the Elder Demster Line; he wants arrival dates > for it at Canadian ports before July 25, 1902. > I looked at www.theshipslist.com, which says a list for 1900 is "in the > works". They also list a CDRom for Passenger Ship Arrivals Canadian Ports > 1864-1899, which might help him for 1899, but he asked for a book. > I checked the National Archives of Canada website, but I could only find > passenger lists, not ship arrivals. > I also looked at Allen County Library's online catalog and found a book by > Dave Obee, called Destination Canada; a guide to 20th century immigration > records, but have no way of checking to see if it contains lists of ships. > Any suggestions anyone can give me to help this patron would be appreciated. > Thanks. > Mary Jane Stevens > Sr. Reference Librarian > Camden County Library, > Voorhees, NJ 08043 > email: [email protected] > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From KSHtrains at aol.com Sun Jan 25 12:49:58 2004 From: KSHtrains at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:42:21 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Genealogy Slumber Parties at Public Libraries Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Dear ListServe:

I know I had seen information on genealogical societies hosting sleep overs at their favorite libraries. Could those libraries that hosted the event let me know the pros and cons about the experience? The Farmington Genealogical Society is planning a sleep over at the Farmington Community Library. We are in the planning stages and would like to create an education event for genealogy members without creating a nightmare for our beloved librarians.

Some of the things we would like to know - cost to the library? Did the library set a fee or accepted a donation? We are only planning on charging enough to cover expenses including the libraries (you know the scoop-tight budgets). We love our library and librarians and so far they welcome us with open arms - we do not want this event to change that?

Was there a size limitation? Food limitation? The libraries that hosted the event - would they do so again? Did the event help with PR for the library reaching out to the community?

Again, any suggestions would be helpful and appreciated. Have a great day!

Respectfully, Kim S. Harrison Otherdays.com [email protected]

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I have a Midwest Micro Information microfilm reader. The lamp no longer illuminates. The lamp is not burned out, so there is obviously a faulty component or broken wire inside. My question is this: how do you get inside this beast to troubleshoot? Thanks for any help you can provide.

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I am in agreement with Colleen Ringel's assessment 100%. We get a second subscription for staff use and find it extremely valuable. Patricia Van Skaik

-----Original Message----- From: Colleen Ringel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 5:01 PM To: Phyllis Rickard; Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: Re: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine

There is also another magazine by the same name that is from a British publisher. Not as useful for the American public but not bad.

Colleen Ringel

------>From: "Phyllis Rickard" >To: >Subject: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine >Date: Fri, Jan 23, 2004, 3:36 PM >

> Hello. > > Today we received an offer for a free copy of "Family Tree" magazine. If I > send for this we'll get an invoice which can be cancelled. Has anyone seen a > copy of this magazine? > > Thank you. > > Phyllis Rickard > A-V Librarian > Lenawee County Library > [email protected] > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From KSHtrains at aol.com Mon Jan 26 10:40:38 2004 From: KSHtrains at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Mon Jan 26 10:33:37 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Genealogy Slumber Parties at Public Libraries Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Dear Group:

Thank you so much for all of your answers to my general questions about Sleep Over in the library. I will be taking all of your suggestions to our planning meeting this week as well as meeting with the library staff in depth. I will let you know how we make out.

Please keep the wonderful suggestions coming!

Respectfully, Kim S. Harrison Otherdays.com E-mail: [email protected]

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GenLiber's

Just got back from NGS GenTech in St. Louis where this was discussed. As regards PerSI it should be available in "the Spring" It is at the top of their list for new services. My customers miss it sorely as do I.

James K. Jeffrey Collection Specialist in Genealogy Western History and Genealogy Denver Public Library

>>> [email protected] 1/23/04 10:38:58 AM >>> Does anyone know about the status of PERSI's (Periodical Source Index) reappearance as a database on HeritageQuest Online? I thought it was to reappear in January or early this year. Since Ancestry dropped it, it has been sorely missed! Thanks,

Paul Immel Genealogy Services Librarian State Library of Ohio 274 E. 1st Ave. Columbus, OH 43201 (614) 387-1186 (614) 644-6966 ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From PIMMEL at SLOMA.state.oh.us Mon Jan 26 12:58:10 2004 From: PIMMEL at SLOMA.state.oh.us (Paul Immel) Date: Mon Jan 26 12:51:24 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Duplicates for trade Message-ID: <71FF2B6D4C93D51180BD0008C7CF0603DCDEB7@EXCHSRV1>

Ceya,

Thank you for responding to my post. Unfortunately, Revolutionary War Bounty Land Grants... has been spoken for. I hope to offer more duplicates for trade in the near future.

Paul

Paul Immel Genealogy Services Librarian State Library of Ohio 274 E. 1st Ave. Columbus, OH 43201 (614) 387-1186 (614) 644-6966

> ------> From: Ceya[SMTP:[email protected]] > Reply To: Librarians Serving Genealogists > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:58 PM > To: Librarians Serving Genealogists > Subject: Re: [Genealib] Duplicates for trade > > Paul, > I have just gotten back in town. Is this book still available for > swap > or trade? > > REVOLUTIONARY WAR BOUNTY LAND GRANTS AWARED BY STATE GOVERNMENTS by Lloyd > DeWitt Bockstruck > > Ceya Minder > Genealogist/Historian/Preservationist > [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Immel" > To: > > Subject: [Genealib] Duplicates for trade > > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > From rootcellar at email.com Mon Jan 26 14:00:42 2004 From: rootcellar at email.com (Clinton Library) Date: Mon Jan 26 13:53:06 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Genealogy Slumber Parties at Public Libraries Message-ID: <[email protected]>

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Hello, I received the invoice for the "free copy", but as yet, no magazine. I'm placing a call to them this week. Regards,

Colleen Robledo Mission Viejo Library Library Assistant, Technology Center 949/830-7100 (Ext: 4012) [email protected] http://www.cmvl.org

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Today's Topics: 1. "Family Tree" magazine (Phyllis Rickard) 2. Attn: Daniela Moneta (Levy, Suzanne S.) 3. Re: "Family Tree" magazine (Colleen Ringel) 4. Re: "Family Tree" magazine (Bill Coup) 5. Re: "Family Tree" magazine (Ronda Mitchell)

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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:36:44 -0500 From: "Phyllis Rickard" Subject: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine To: Message-ID: <004001c3e1f9$0226a820$e400a8c0@floss> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello.

Today we received an offer for a free copy of "Family Tree" magazine. If I send for this we'll get an invoice which can be cancelled. Has anyone seen a copy of this magazine?

Thank you.

Phyllis Rickard A-V Librarian Lenawee County Library [email protected]

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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:42:41 -0500 From: "Levy, Suzanne S." Subject: [Genealib] Attn: Daniela Moneta To: Message-ID:

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Hi Daniela,

I could use this title:

Early Pennsylvania Births, 1675-1875. Compiled by Charles A. Fisher. Gen. Pub. Co., 1986. 107 pp. [Paperback.]

Suzanne Levy

------Message: 3 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:01:25 -0600 From: "Colleen Ringel" Subject: Re: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine To: Phyllis Rickard , Librarians Serving Genealogists Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

If it is the one from F+W Publications, Inc. 4700 East Galbraith Road,

Cincinnati, OH 45236, it is a great magazine. Lots of information, lots of websites. Our library has subscribed to it for the last 3 years and I have personally had a subscription since its premier. Our patrons love and use it often, and get quite upset when it isn't available .

There is also another magazine by the same name that is from a British publisher. Not as useful for the American public but not bad.

Colleen Ringel

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Message: 4 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:02:34 -0500 From: "Bill Coup" Subject: Re: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine To: "Phyllis Rickard" , "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Message-ID: <001c01c3e204$fcf81850$0200a8c0@yourdtsz30gwaq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Dear Phyllis and others,

I have a personal subscription to this magazine and I highly recommend it. It has very good articles and valuable insights about all phases of genealogy. You can't lose if you try it.

Bill Coup Boca Raton, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Rickard" To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 4:36 PM Subject: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine

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Message: 5 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:19:12 -0600 From: "Ronda Mitchell" Subject: Re: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine To: "Phyllis Rickard" , "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Message-ID: <000501c3e207$4ff06970$06011e0a@NEWDBRL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" please remove me from the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Rickard" To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: [Genealib] "Family Tree" magazine

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End of genealib Digest, Vol 4, Issue 41 *************************************** From KSHtrains at aol.com Mon Jan 26 16:12:34 2004 From: KSHtrains at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Mon Jan 26 16:10:29 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Ireland of Otherdays.com Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Hello: I wanted to let you all know who are two map winners are from midwinter ALA. Donna J. Dinberg of National Library of Canada and Ann Reinert of Mid-Continent Public Library. They will receive our 19th Century Railroad Map of Ireland.

Otherdays.com just posted their 100th title on Friday, 23rd January 2004.? That title was County Officers of Ireland, 1904. That resource covers all of Ireland listing the local officials who served or held a position in the Irish government.?

Don't forget to sign up for our free online Newsletter which keeps you up to date on all of our new titles (currently we add a new title a week) as well as gives tips on searching Irish records.

Respectfully, Kim S. Harrison Account Manager for Library Sales in Canada & US Otherdays.com PO Box 793 Farmington, MI 48332 Toll free (866) 471-1471 Fax: (248) 476-5899 E-mail: [email protected] Home page: www.otherdays.com

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I am interested in Irish records.

Delores Nelson [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: [Genealib] Ireland of Otherdays.com

Hello:

I wanted to let you all know who are two map winners are from midwinter ALA. Donna J. Dinberg of National Library of Canada and Ann Reinert of Mid-Continent Public Library. They will receive our 19th Century Railroad Map of Ireland.

Otherdays.com just posted their 100th title on Friday, 23rd January 2004. That title was County Officers of Ireland, 1904. That resource covers all of Ireland listing the local officials who served or held a position in the Irish government.

Don't forget to sign up for our free online Newsletter which keeps you up to date on all of our new titles (currently we add a new title a week) as well as gives tips on searching Irish records.

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We have a "friends of the library" type group called Mining Your History Foundation (MYHF) that has sponsored a very successful "Hoot Owl" night in the West Virginia State Archives and History Library for several years. See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~myhf/hootowl.html . The agency's contribution is absorbed in general costs: whatever extra power it takes to keep the heat turned up all night (over-riding the automatic thermostat) and the lights on, plus a security guard, otherwise no paid staff hours. Two staff members are active in the organization (long before their employment) previously volunteered their time, but under current personnel rules must now take off an equivalent amount of time in the same pay week in order to work the extra hours. Our director also participates. Other members of MYHF know our library well and are knowledgeable about genealogy in general and their regions of West Virginia in particular, and assist other researchers while doing their own. The majority of the "Hoot Owls" are familiar with the library and with WV history and genealogy, but we always have a few from out of state (including some who fly in just for the night!) who come to take advantage of all the help available in a concentrated time period.

MYHF gives first registration opportunity to its members, then opens to the public. They currently charge $30 donation, $35 if late registration. Current limit is set according to the facilities available, this year at 50 people, probably the maximum we can handle comfortably, although the organizer herself thinks 35 is a better number. To determine number, allow one person per two chairs at table to allow enough elbow room to spread individual materials, and consider how many microfilm readers/printers you have, if that is a factor. The program begins at closing time on a Friday evening (currently 6:00 p.m.) and ends at 7:00 a.m. on Saturday morning. It is hard to believe sometimes, but about half the people will come in for at least part of the day on Friday to research. We usually plan to have extra staff available to assist with the Reading Room of the library in case it becomes too busy that afternoon. Due to our building security setup, everyone has to leave at closing time. Registered guests are re-admitted through a non-public secure entrance by the security guard and a staff member.

Food and drink, including water, are not allowed in any of the library rooms, but we make our employee conference room available for eating. MYHF members and even some of the guests donate snacks and beverages to share. MYHF orders pizza around midnight and provides beverages as part of the donation for admission. We have a small refrigerator, small oven, coffee machine and microwave which they can use, as well as an ice machine in the building. The staffers always joke that some people seem to come just for the food and socializing, and never really do any research!

We maintain our policy that only staff may reshelve books and microfilm, or retrieve items from the closed stacks. The Saturday staff always tells the overnight staff that they are willing to shelve anything they leave behind the next morning, but so far everything always has been put away when the regular staff comes in on Saturday morning.

MYHF has never attempted an organized program in conjunction with Hoot Owl. They do give a "behind the scenes" tour of the Archives, taking the guests through the closed stacks and processing areas. (Be careful not to overload elevators--last year we had 15 people stuck in our cranky elevator for about half an hour.) Most people come with their own research plans and with "brick walls" or new areas of research they plan to ask the "experts" to help them with. We get very few beginners, perhaps since this is an archives research library, and not a public library. If you intend to target beginners, I would recommend having a high proportion of staff/knowledgeable volunteers to participants.

Any fees collected for photocopying, computer printouts and microfilm copying go into the regular library funds. MYHF donates generously to the Archives and History Library, so most, if not all, of the donations collected for registration end up assisting the library in one way or another eventually.

Susan Scouras Librarian Archives and History Library WV Division of Culture and History The Cultural Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd. East Charleston, WV 25305-0300 (304) 558-0230, Ext. 742

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Genealogy Slumber Parties at Public Libraries

Dear ListServe:

Was there a size limitation? Food limitation? The libraries that hosted the event - would they do so again? Did the event help with PR for the library reaching out to the community?

Again, any suggestions would be helpful and appreciated. Have a great day!

Respectfully, Kim S. Harrison Otherdays.com [email protected]

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Today I am a critic.

I have been writing a chapter for a book on Florida collections. I have visited many library web sites. I am embarrassed to say that for some reason, librarians do not know what is needed and should be required on every web page.

A full address would be nice. Some had no zip code. Some had no street address, just a P.O. Box. A map or directions would be nice too. Telephone number. Wow, what a concept! Some had none and some had no area code.

Email addresses to each department. None at all. Or, buried somewhere in the deep dark caverns of a web page that no one would think to visit. Are we saying, "don't bother us?"

Hours open. What, we have to be open during the week?

All department links should be on the front page. If I have to dig 3-5 levels just to find information on a department in the library, I would much rather go to the library. Oh, maybe that IS the idea!!

ALL of the above should and must be on the FIRST page of your web site.

Libraries like to increase their stats, right???

My final complaint -- how come special collections are not mentioned? Some do not even tell you if they have a children's department? You CAN and WILL increase you stats if you let people know what you have!!!

I have found from the large libraries down to the smallest, outdated information or no mention at all of a special collection. For example, if you have a department that has over 20,000 books on Florida, why would there NOT be a description of it? Are we still hiding our materials like the monks in "The Name of the Rose?"

I thought the idea was to get folks to come to our libraries!!

I needed to dump my frustration on you in hopes that you will take the time to review your web pages again and please change and update them. Why have them in first place if the information is not correct or informative?

Five years ago this would not be an issue, but today it is our job to keep our web sites current and up-to-date.

Thanks for letting me rant and rave.

Pam

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

From prickard at monroe.lib.mi.us Tue Jan 27 10:16:39 2004 From: prickard at monroe.lib.mi.us (Phyllis Rickard) Date: Tue Jan 27 10:06:40 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Genealogy Slumber Parties at Public Libraries References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <003c01c3e4e8$944e2240$e400a8c0@floss>

Susan,

Could you please let me know when you have another of your "Hoot Owl" nights scheduled? Perhaps I could make it down for it. It sounds devine!

Phyllis Rickard A-V Librarian Lenawee County Library [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Scouras To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: RE: [Genealib] Genealogy Slumber Parties at Public Libraries

We only have one couch, but our chairs are padded and pretty comfortable (we do not get many walk-ins from the street, very rarely any of the homeless, since we are located on the grounds of the state Capitol and out of the main pedestrian traffic area of the city), and guests are invited to bring sleeping bags and pillows. We have found though that most stay up all night. We maintain our policy that only staff may reshelve books and microfilm, or retrieve items from the closed stacks. The Saturday staff always tells the overnight staff that they are willing to shelve anything they leave behind the next morning, but so far everything always has been put away when the regular staff comes in on Saturday morning.

Susan Scouras Librarian Archives and History Library WV Division of Culture and History The Cultural Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd. East Charleston, WV 25305-0300 (304) 558-0230, Ext. 742

Dear ListServe:

Was there a size limitation? Food limitation? The libraries that hosted the event - would they do so again? Did the event help with PR for the library reaching out to the community? Again, any suggestions would be helpful and appreciated. Have a great day!

Respectfully, Kim S. Harrison Otherdays.com [email protected]

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I have found the same lack of address and phone in business websites very frustrating. This includes when you have clicked on "customer service" or "contact us." I blame the fact that the "techies" do the web pages.

__ From a.doering at lacrosse.lib.wi.us Tue Jan 27 10:25:26 2004 From: a.doering at lacrosse.lib.wi.us (Anita Doering) Date: Tue Jan 27 11:19:47 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Library Web Sites References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

While we're grousing...how many "contact us" things have you clicked on and sent an email that seems to go into Never-Neverland. You might get an automated response "We received your email" but they never contact you or answer your question! This has happened several times for me with STATE AGENCIES that are supposed to be responsible to their residents! Ha!

Anita Doering

Mara Munroe wrote:

> I have found the same lack of address and phone in business websites > very frustrating. This includes when you have clicked on "customer > service" or "contact us." I blame the fact that the "techies" do the > web pages. > > __ > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

-- Anita Taylor Doering Archivist La Crosse Public Library 800 Main St. La Crosse, WI 54601-4122 (608) 789-7156 fax: (608) 789-7106 http://lacrosselibrary.org/archives/

From prickard at monroe.lib.mi.us Tue Jan 27 12:04:29 2004 From: prickard at monroe.lib.mi.us (Phyllis Rickard) Date: Tue Jan 27 11:54:25 2004 Subject: [Genealib] African-American Genealogy Message-ID: <001501c3e4f7$a3733f80$e400a8c0@floss>

Hello.

We have a patron who is trying to trace his grandfather (yes, his grandfather) who was born in KY and served in the 54th Mass. He has done as much as he can here and has made one trip to KY. What he really needs right now is someone that he can contact who has experience with African-American genealogy. Someone who can offer advice and answer questions.

Does anyone know of someone who would be willing to exchange email with this man?

Thank you.

Phyllis Rickard A-V Librarian Lenawee County Library [email protected]

From vshelton at mclib.net Tue Jan 27 11:12:51 2004 From: vshelton at mclib.net ([email protected]) Date: Tue Jan 27 12:05:01 2004 Subject: [Genealib] African-American Genealogy Message-ID: <004301c3e4f8$cb93f6c0$0201a8c0@Infoserv2floor>

Phyllis, I have sent an email to your email account regarding this request.

Thank you,

Vonnie Shelton Special Collections McCracken County Public Library Paducah, Kentucky 42003 Phone 270-442-2510 Ext. 24 [email protected] http://www.mclib.net ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040127/2da4eede/ attachment.htm From jswan at ckls.org Tue Jan 27 11:20:16 2004 From: jswan at ckls.org (Jim Swan) Date: Tue Jan 27 12:12:42 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Library Web Sites In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID:

I just have to jump in on this one. I spent the last two weeks doing research for my new book on genealogy for librarians. I went to Web sites of libraries that were reported to me to have exceptional genealogy collections. I was appalled at the number of these libraries that didn't have a link from their library's main/home page to a page about their genealogy services. Some libraries didn't make the list in my book because I couldn't figure out what they had to offer to genealogists. Maybe they didn't want researchers to find them.

I suggest that the people on this list check their library's home page and see how accessible their services are to people who are surfing the Web. -- James Swan, Director Central Kansas Library System Great Bend Public Library 1409 Williams Street Great Bend, KS 67530 Voice: 620 792-4865 FAX: 620 793-7270 E-mail: [email protected] URL: From beth at swilson.com Tue Jan 27 09:22:30 2004 From: beth at swilson.com (Beth Wilson) Date: Tue Jan 27 12:14:56 2004 Subject: [Genealib] African-American Genealogy References: <001501c3e4f7$a3733f80$e400a8c0@floss> Message-ID: <006501c3e4fa$24f77560$0201a8c0@beth>

I am definitely not an expert but I have given lectures on the subject and studied slaves in Missouri for many years.

Beth Wilson Torrance Public Library Torrance, California

----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Rickard" To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:04 AM Subject: [Genealib] African-American Genealogy

> Hello. > > We have a patron who is trying to trace his grandfather (yes, his > grandfather) who was born in KY and served in the 54th Mass. He has done as > much as he can here and has made one trip to KY. What he really needs right > now is someone that he can contact who has experience with African-American > genealogy. Someone who can offer advice and answer questions. > > Does anyone know of someone who would be willing to exchange email with this > man? > > Thank you. > > Phyllis Rickard > A-V Librarian > Lenawee County Library > [email protected] > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib >

From Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org Tue Jan 27 13:00:04 2004 From: Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org (Susan Scouras) Date: Tue Jan 27 12:52:20 2004 Subject: [Genealib] African-American Genealogy Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I can not provide a specific researcher for Kentucky, but would like to point out two excellent sources for African-American genealogy. On the Web, try Afrigeneas.com. I highly recommend "Finding a Place Called Home: A Guide to African-American Genealogy and Historical Identity," by Dee Parmer Woodtor, Bantam Books, 1999. Woodtor emphasizes the importance of oral history for African- Americans. (New book by Wilma A. Dunaway, "The African-American Family in Slavery and Emancipation," demonstrates that the stories passed down in African-American families and the slave narratives recorded primarily in the 1930's are highly accurate when compared to actual records of the times.)

Susan Scouras Librarian Archives and History Library WV Division of Culture and History The Cultural Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd. East Charleston, WV 25305-0300 (304) 558-0230, Ext. 742

-----Original Message----- From: Phyllis Rickard [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:04 AM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: [Genealib] African-American Genealogy

Hello.

Does anyone know of someone who would be willing to exchange email with this man?

Thank you.

Phyllis Rickard A-V Librarian Lenawee County Library [email protected]

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From LNaukam at libraryweb.org Tue Jan 27 15:10:53 2004 From: LNaukam at libraryweb.org (Naukam, Larry) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:01:19 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Library Web Sites Message-ID: <[email protected]> re: "customer service" a misnomer

I normally keep pestering until I get satisfaction. It took 3 emails (ignored) and 4 phone calls when I switched ISP's to get my email working....

More to the point for LSG, there is a well known company which flatly denied that they had made a mistake and sent two of a product - after taking 3 months to send it, and having their phone reps totally unaware of the "special" pricing on the web - so, we KEPT the second copy of the product (nya nya goes in here). From LNaukam at libraryweb.org Tue Jan 27 15:49:52 2004 From: LNaukam at libraryweb.org (Naukam, Larry) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:40:10 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Library Web Sites Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Subject: [Genealib] Library Web Sites

In reply to Pam, we here in Rochester have a committee (the same one that designed the Edsel, Old Frothingslosh and other nest sellers...) and we must comply with their directives. I hope to break out of that, but sometimes inertia keeps the obvious from being implemented.

LN From JJeffrey at denver.lib.co.us Tue Jan 27 13:59:43 2004 From: JJeffrey at denver.lib.co.us (James Jeffrey) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:52:36 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Library Web Sites Message-ID:

Gang

Having had a Director of Central Library (now retired for 2 years) who was not interested in web pages, and a City Librarian who is still not comfortable with signage of any form, I know first hand about a lack of web presence.

We have had committee meetings, please note the plural, for discussions about web pages.

I have a tech director who does not see the value of our obituary indexes and has not loaded the past three years of our indexes as we have a subscription to America's Obituaries and Death Notices. This after showing the lack of entries for AODN.

Our photodigitization project gets front billing on our homepage.

As a cog in the great collection and America's #1 library for three straight years web presence is not in my hands.

James Jeffrey Denver Public Library

>>> [email protected] 1/27/04 10:20:16 AM >>> I just have to jump in on this one. I spent the last two weeks doing research for my new book on genealogy for librarians. I went to Web sites of libraries that were reported to me to have exceptional genealogy collections. I was appalled at the number of these libraries that didn't have a link from their library's main/home page to a page about their genealogy services. Some libraries didn't make the list in my book because I couldn't figure out what they had to offer to genealogists. Maybe they didn't want researchers to find them.

I suggest that the people on this list check their library's home page and see how accessible their services are to people who are surfing the Web. -- James Swan, Director Central Kansas Library System Great Bend Public Library 1409 Williams Street Great Bend, KS 67530 Voice: 620 792-4865 FAX: 620 793-7270 E-mail: [email protected] URL: ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From csellers at japl.lib.in.us Tue Jan 27 18:55:17 2004 From: csellers at japl.lib.in.us (Charlotte Sellers) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:47:18 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Interlibrary Loan: Genealogy Message-ID:

Greetings All,

Sharon Campbell, Interlibrary Loan Manager of the Washoe County Library System (NUW) in Reno, NV, posed a question to the ILL listserv:

"Can you tell me if there is information somewhere on how to do ILL for genealogists? I've done ILL for eight years, but when it comes to this part of it, I feel like a newbie."

Sharon is asking in particular about identifying which libraries hold certain years of newspaper microfilm in the wake of a request for "a bunch" of obits. Knowing who also will loan said film and at what cost also would be good.

As a sometimes ILL librarian myself, I shared some thoughts with her and I'm sure those on the ILL list will share others (&/or rant about genealogists) ... but this may be a good topic for this list as well. Librarians and genealogists both could benefit from the discussion!

Also seems to me more genealogy material is being made available through ILL now than 15 years ago ... when many ILLers refused even to put such a request into the system (which caused me to rant)!

We can share with the ILL folk our deepest, darkest secrets for acquiring copies and loans for our genealogy patrons. I'll be glad to collect & forward discussion messages from this list to Sharon for the ILL list if y'all come up with the interesting and helpful replies you usually do. And if she shares what the ILLers write, I'll be glad to post those here if you are interested.

Cheers! Charlotte Sellers Information Services - Local History Jackson County Public Library 303 West 2nd Street Seymour IN 47274

From Seslee2 at cs.com Tue Jan 27 20:42:50 2004 From: Seslee2 at cs.com ([email protected]) Date: Tue Jan 27 20:35:24 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Interlibrary Loan: Genealogy Message-ID: <[email protected]>

This is not an answer to all your needs, but a start. There are links to each state's newspaper project at http://www.neh.gov/projects/usnp.html. Often you can learn from the links at this site, which libraries have what newspapers and the dates covered.

Sharen Lee Reference Librarian Live Oak Public Libraries 2002 Bull Street Savannah, GA 31401 912-652-3671 "Charlotte Sellers" wrote:

>Greetings All, > >Sharon Campbell, Interlibrary Loan Manager of the Washoe County Library >System (NUW) in Reno, NV, posed a question to the ILL listserv: > >"Can you tell me if there is information somewhere on how to do ILL for >genealogists? ?I've done ILL for eight years, but when it comes to this part of it, I feel like a newbie." > >Sharon is asking in particular about identifying which libraries hold >certain years of newspaper microfilm in the wake of a request for "a bunch" of obits. ?Knowing who also will loan said film and at what cost also would be good. > >As a sometimes ILL librarian myself, I shared some thoughts with her and I'm sure those on the ILL list will share others (&/or rant about genealogists)... but this may be a good topic for this list as well. ?Librarians and genealogists both could benefit from the discussion! > >Also seems to me more genealogy material is being made available through ILL now than 15 years ago ?... when many ILLers refused even to put such a >request into the system (which caused me to rant)! > >We can share with the ILL folk our deepest, darkest secrets for acquiring >copies and loans for our genealogy patrons. ?I'll be glad to collect & >forward discussion messages from this list to Sharon for the ILL list if >y'all come up with the interesting and helpful replies you usually do. ?And if she shares what the ILLers write, I'll be glad to post those here if you are interested. > >Cheers! >Charlotte Sellers >Information Services - Local History >Jackson County Public Library >303 West 2nd Street >Seymour IN 47274 > > >______>genealib mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > From bettybarcode at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 18:34:55 2004 From: bettybarcode at yahoo.com (Cynthia Van Ness) Date: Tue Jan 27 21:27:12 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Interlibrary Loan: Genealogy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <[email protected]>

This doesn't directly answer your question, but when I encounter genealogists for whom inerlibrary loan is a new foreign concept, I refer them to this column from Ancestry.com: http://www.ancestry.com/columns/george/08-21-98.htm

--- Charlotte Sellers wrote: > Greetings All, > > Sharon Campbell, Interlibrary Loan Manager of the Washoe > County Library > System (NUW) in Reno, NV, posed a question to the ILL > listserv: > > "Can you tell me if there is information somewhere on how to > do ILL for > genealogists? I've done ILL for eight years, but when it > comes to this part > of it, I feel like a newbie." > > Sharon is asking in particular about identifying which > libraries hold > certain years of newspaper microfilm in the wake of a request > for "a bunch" > of obits. Knowing who also will loan said film and at what > cost also would > be good. > > As a sometimes ILL librarian myself, I shared some thoughts > with her and I'm > sure those on the ILL list will share others (&/or rant about > genealogists) > ... but this may be a good topic for this list as well. > Librarians and > genealogists both could benefit from the discussion! > > Also seems to me more genealogy material is being made > available through ILL > now than 15 years ago ... when many ILLers refused even to > put such a > request into the system (which caused me to rant)! > > We can share with the ILL folk our deepest, darkest secrets > for acquiring > copies and loans for our genealogy patrons. I'll be glad to > collect & > forward discussion messages from this list to Sharon for the > ILL list if > y'all come up with the interesting and helpful replies you > usually do. And > if she shares what the ILLers write, I'll be glad to post > those here if you > are interested. > > Cheers! > Charlotte Sellers > Information Services - Local History > Jackson County Public Library > 303 West 2nd Street > Seymour IN 47274 > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib ===== Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.buffaloresearch.com/ "My heart is moved by all I cannot save: So much has been destroyed I have to cast my lot with those who, age after age, perversely, with no extraordinary power, reconstitute the world." -Adrienne Rich

______Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From mygenealogy at byualum.net Tue Jan 27 18:58:13 2004 From: mygenealogy at byualum.net ([email protected]) Date: Tue Jan 27 21:50:37 2004 Subject: [Genealib] How I get information regarding ILL of newspapers Message-ID: <20040127185816.2466.h010.c000.wm@mail.milliner.com.criticalpath.net>

I am a professional genealogist in Salt Lake City lurking on this list. I have the MLS, and learned how to use OCLC back when it was "type in the first three letters of the first word, the second two letters of the second word" or something like that. Now, I still use OCLC, to find out what libraries have what issues of which newspapers.

I don't have the ability to have access to the modules used by library staff, since I currently don't work for a library. So, instead, I use the OCLC patron product which used to be called the Union List of Serials. (It now has a slightly different name, which I have never bothered to learn.) All of the newspapers that were microfilmed as part of the various state United States Newspaper Program grants have OCLC records accessible via this search engine.

Use the "Advanced" search interface. For "type of material" select "newspaper". In the search boxes, type in the name of the city or town that your patron wants to get a newspaper from, and then, from the pull down menu adjacent to that box, select "place of publication" as the kind of search you want done. Since many states have cities of the same name, in the next search box, type in the name of the state where the city or town was located, and specify via the pull down menu that the state name is a keyword.

Then click on search. You will then get results showing all of the papers that were ever published in that locality for which catalog records have been contributed to OCLC (which, thanks to the US Newspaper Project is the great majority of all papers that are still extant). Sometimes there will be more than one catalog record for a particular paper, either because library holdings differ or because one library chose to catalog it differently than another. The OCLC records will specify precisely which libraries hold precisely which issues, and in what format (almost all will be microfilm).

Once I find out that a library has what I want, I then go to that library's website to see if they have a page that explains their ILL policies for newspaper microfilm. Most libraries with large microform holdings do have such a page. If I can't find details on the Internet, I call the holding library's ILL person. I can thus provide my local library with precise details on what my local ILL librarian needs to do. I specify to here the OCLC accession number of the record(s) I looked at, the name of the person I spoke with at the other library (or the URL of their website) and what fees (if any) the lending library requires. I also specify to my local librarian whether the lending library accepts requests via OCLC or if, instead, it requires a request on the ALA form.

One last point, if the place where the newspaper was published was not the county seat, then I also search for newspapers that were published at the county seat, and, if the place from where I am hoping to get an obituary was close to a large city in some other county, I will also try to get microfilm of newspapers in that large city ILLed to me. If there are a large number of newspapers that potentially could have an obituary that your client needs, it is often quicker and less expensive for the patron if he or she simply hires a researcher in the city where the newspaper microfilm is housed to do the search on the patron's behalf. From espicer at chartermi.net Tue Jan 27 22:38:42 2004 From: espicer at chartermi.net (Ann Perrigo) Date: Tue Jan 27 23:31:05 2004 Subject: [Genealib] How I get information regarding ILL of newspapers References: <20040127185816.2466.h010.c000.wm@mail.milliner.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <002101c3e558$9cf9b880$6401a8c0@D3L96X31>

Tips for discovering newspaper holdings using OCLC! A. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: [Genealib] How I get information regarding ILL of newspapers

> I am a professional genealogist in Salt Lake City lurking on this list. I have > the MLS, and learned how to use OCLC back when it was "type in the first three > letters of the first word, the second two letters of the second word" or > something like that. Now, I still use OCLC, to find out what libraries have what > issues of which newspapers. > > I don't have the ability to have access to the modules used by library staff, > since I currently don't work for a library. So, instead, I use the OCLC patron > product which used to be called the Union List of Serials. (It now has a > slightly different name, which I have never bothered to learn.) All of the > newspapers that were microfilmed as part of the various state United States > Newspaper Program grants have OCLC records accessible via this search engine. > > Use the "Advanced" search interface. For "type of material" select "newspaper". > In the search boxes, type in the name of the city or town that your patron wants > to get a newspaper from, and then, from the pull down menu adjacent to that box, > select "place of publication" as the kind of search you want done. Since many > states have cities of the same name, in the next search box, type in the name of > the state where the city or town was located, and specify via the pull down menu > that the state name is a keyword. > > Then click on search. You will then get results showing all of the papers that > were ever published in that locality for which catalog records have been > contributed to OCLC (which, thanks to the US Newspaper Project is the great > majority of all papers that are still extant). Sometimes there will be more than > one catalog record for a particular paper, either because library holdings differ > or because one library chose to catalog it differently than another. The OCLC > records will specify precisely which libraries hold precisely which issues, and > in what format (almost all will be microfilm). > > Once I find out that a library has what I want, I then go to that library's > website to see if they have a page that explains their ILL policies for newspaper > microfilm. Most libraries with large microform holdings do have such a page. If > I can't find details on the Internet, I call the holding library's ILL person. I > can thus provide my local library with precise details on what my local ILL > librarian needs to do. I specify to here the OCLC accession number of the > record(s) I looked at, the name of the person I spoke with at the other library > (or the URL of their website) and what fees (if any) the lending library > requires. I also specify to my local librarian whether the lending library > accepts requests via OCLC or if, instead, it requires a request on the ALA form. > > One last point, if the place where the newspaper was published was not the county > seat, then I also search for newspapers that were published at the county seat, > and, if the place from where I am hoping to get an obituary was close to a large > city in some other county, I will also try to get microfilm of newspapers in that > large city ILLed to me. If there are a large number of newspapers that > potentially could have an obituary that your client needs, it is often quicker > and less expensive for the patron if he or she simply hires a researcher in the > city where the newspaper microfilm is housed to do the search on the patron's > behalf. > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From mbrower at nccn.net Tue Jan 27 21:48:14 2004 From: mbrower at nccn.net (Maria Brower) Date: Wed Jan 28 00:45:09 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Increase Hours Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I know many of us are suffering budget and/or staff cuts due to county or state budgets. I have been trying to increase our hours from 30 to 40 hrs. per week. We are the local history branch of our local library system and are open from 10:00-4:00 daily except Thursdays and Sundays. Our previous county librarian "didn't see the history branch as a full-time library." We have a new county librarian and I am trying to find the key to convince him and thus the Board of Supervisors that we need to be open on Thursdays or one or two evenings. It is the #1 patron complaint, especially out-of-town patrons that come to town for long weekends. We are a tourist town and our county receives a large portion of $$ from the tourist dollar. We are a Carnegie Library and a historical landmark. Our library has one of the best local collections I know of (I have been a genealogists for over 25 years and visited many of the libraries that you work in!) We have newspapers on film from 1851-present, about 23 different newspapers for that time period. We also have original county, district and superior court records, original naturalizations, probate and assessment records, with some record groups starting in 1856 (after one of our major fires that burned the courthouse down.) Our volunteers are always indexing and we are working on a 150+ obit index. Special collections of Gold Rush history and Mining, early California. We were a major Northern CA Gold Rush county and had many of the biggest quartz producing mines in California in our county. We never suffered a depression in this county in the 1930s because our mines were producing and people were working. My questions is to those of you in management and decision makers, what would it take to convince you we needed to be open additional hours for researchers. We are a reference library, have a paid staff of two and 20 volunteers that rotate. I keep daily stats of patrons, books, films & maps used. People complain to us but very few take the time to write a letter or email to our county librarian. Our local writers, historians, genealogical & historical societies are very supportive but they don't seem to have enough clout to matter. Maria E. Brower Library Tech Doris Foley Library for Historical Research 211 N. Pine St. Nevada City, CA 95959 http://new.mynevadacounty.com/library/ Join us for NGS "A Golden Prospect" in May 2004 in Sacramento!

From jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us Wed Jan 28 09:31:58 2004 From: jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us (Joyce McMullin) Date: Wed Jan 28 09:21:36 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Interlibrary Loan: Genealogy References: Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Charlotte & group- Seems like you are getting good web site referrals. Here's from someone on the ground. When requesting ILL (via OCLC) we ask patrons to identify the dates for which they need newspaper microfilm, i.e., "Big City Newspaper, reel that includes January 28, 1910." Most patrons do not understand ILL & we've had patrons who call libraries all over the country to locate materials then come in and request the film from "such-and-so library."

Like everyone, we also field requests for outgoing book loans directly from distant researchers and have to steer them to their local public library, explain the protocol, and suggest they consult with the Reference Librarian, not the people who staff the check out desk.

We don't loan books out. When our ILL dept. fields a request from another library for all "Smith" entries in the "xxx county marriage book," we will photocopy the title page & relevant pages of the index and respond to the patron to provide specific pages they want copied. We provide the copies even if the surname does NOT appear in the index.

Now, as a consumer of genealogy via ILL, I have made the request to provide the title page and all "xxx" surname entries from the index of specific titles, and was a tad disappointed with the phone call from our ILL staff that the loaning library checked the book & no entries were found for that name; no copies. Somehow, down the road, I will be revisiting that line and having the copies from the book will keep me from re-tracing my steps.

Joyce

Charlotte Sellers wrote:

> Greetings All, > > Sharon Campbell, Interlibrary Loan Manager of the Washoe County Library > System (NUW) in Reno, NV, posed a question to the ILL listserv: > > "Can you tell me if there is information somewhere on how to do ILL for > genealogists? I've done ILL for eight years, but when it comes to this part > of it, I feel like a newbie." > > Sharon is asking in particular about identifying which libraries hold > certain years of newspaper microfilm in the wake of a request for "a bunch" > of obits. Knowing who also will loan said film and at what cost also would > be good. > > As a sometimes ILL librarian myself, I shared some thoughts with her and I'm > sure those on the ILL list will share others (&/or rant about genealogists) > ... but this may be a good topic for this list as well. Librarians and > genealogists both could benefit from the discussion! > > Also seems to me more genealogy material is being made available through ILL > now than 15 years ago ... when many ILLers refused even to put such a > request into the system (which caused me to rant)! > > We can share with the ILL folk our deepest, darkest secrets for acquiring > copies and loans for our genealogy patrons. I'll be glad to collect & > forward discussion messages from this list to Sharon for the ILL list if > y'all come up with the interesting and helpful replies you usually do. And > if she shares what the ILLers write, I'll be glad to post those here if you > are interested. > > Cheers! > Charlotte Sellers > Information Services - Local History > Jackson County Public Library > 303 West 2nd Street > Seymour IN 47274 > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

-- Joyce A. McMullin, Branch Manager Alexandria Library, Special Collections 717 Queen St. Alexandria, VA 22314 PH: 703.838.4577 x 213 FAX: 703.706.3912 Special Collections Home Page: http://www.alexandria.lib.va.us/lhsc/special_collections_home.html

From Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org Wed Jan 28 10:14:52 2004 From: Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org (Susan Scouras) Date: Wed Jan 28 10:07:07 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Increase Hours Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Collect some evidence about genealogists, showing that not all are retired people who are free to come during your abbreviated hours. Heck, a lot of retired people are just as busy as when they had full time jobs. The WV Archives and History Library is located on the grounds of the state Capitol complex. Many of our patrons are other state employees who come in regularly on their lunch hours and immediately after work to work on their family histories. When we closed at 5:00, the only people who could come during the week were those who got off at 4:00 or 4:30, which even then left little time for true research. In the face of budget cuts we actually expanded our hours three years ago and have managed to hold on to our current hours (and the two staff members added to support those hours) in the face of subsequent budget cuts. Current hours are 9-8 M-Th, 9-6 Fr-Sat and open most state holidays. For many years we were not open any evenings, but always were open at least a half-day on Saturdays. If we are forced to cut hours, we hope to maintain at least one evening and at least a half-day on Saturdays.

Talk to local school systems within a reasonable driving time. Does your lack of evening and weekend hours prevent students from using your resources? We have several teachers in our area who assign "family trees" as projects. Our clipping files, newspapers on microfilm and large collection of county histories are used by elementary, secondary and college students on a regular basis. With a backlash against internet sources, we are seeing a return to "primary" source materials being taught and emphasized.

Do you keep a guest book or sign-in log of some sort that asks patrons to at least provide their town and state? Can you demonstrate a significant number of out-of- town patrons who spend at least one night and eat in local restaurants? These people tend to go where they can make best use of their time. They purposely schedule trips to our library for midweek so they can stay from 9 to 8 for two or three days! If you are unsuccessful in convincing the powers that be to extend your hours, consider at least changing hours one day a week to noon to 6:00. Keep a record of the number of patrons who visit you between 4 and 6 and use that for your next effort to increase hours.

Susan Scouras Librarian Archives and History Library WV Division of Culture and History The Cultural Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd. East Charleston, WV 25305-0300 (304) 558-0230, Ext. 742

-----Original Message----- From: Maria Brower [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Increase Hours

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From Suzanne.Levy at fairfaxcounty.gov Wed Jan 28 12:35:15 2004 From: Suzanne.Levy at fairfaxcounty.gov (Levy, Suzanne S.) Date: Wed Jan 28 12:27:32 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Library Web Sites Message-ID:

I wanted to thank those of you who have participated in this discussion. As a result our tech folks added Genealogy to the local history link on the left side of our web site yesterday afternoon, just because I forwarded some of the discussion!

See: http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/library/

You do have to scroll down but we are there!

Thanks to all.

Suzanne Levy Virginia Room Librarian Fairfax County Public Library 3915 Chain Bridge Road Fairfax VA 22030 703-293-6383 Fax 703-385-1911 [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Swan Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:20 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: Re: [Genealib] Library Web Sites

I suggest that the people on this list check their library's home page and see how accessible their services are to people who are surfing the Web. -- James Swan, Director Central Kansas Library System Great Bend Public Library 1409 Williams Street Great Bend, KS 67530 Voice: 620 792-4865 FAX: 620 793-7270 E-mail: [email protected] URL: ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org Wed Jan 28 12:12:19 2004 From: tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org (Tracy Luscombe) Date: Wed Jan 28 13:03:52 2004 Subject: [Genealib] USNP Message-ID:

A patron has asked us to look into subscribing to this OCLC database of the United States Newspaper Program. Do any of you subscribe? How is it most helpful? Do I understand that it is simply a catalog, similar to WorldCat, of what institutions own microfilm of specific newspapers? Or does it include actual newspaper entries with a search engine?

Tracy Luscombe McKinney Memorial Public Library McKinney, TX From rdietz at gwest.org Wed Jan 28 10:38:57 2004 From: rdietz at gwest.org (Richard Dietz) Date: Wed Jan 28 13:33:41 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Free services & newsletter Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040128101056.02790240@localhost>

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From hkkuglin at paradise.net.nz Thu Jan 29 08:11:49 2004 From: hkkuglin at paradise.net.nz (Heidi Kuglin) Date: Wed Jan 28 14:04:11 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Increase Hours References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <002201c3e5d2$95fc7930$ac444fcb@ladybug>

You might consider taking the approach of the Rowan County Library in Salisbury, N.C. They did a survey of their out of county genealogy researchers, asking lots of questions about how long they stayed in the city and what kinds of services other than the library they used while there. This enabled them to make some conclusions about the economic benefit of their genealogy services in drawing "tourists" to their town. Below is the reference for their survey - you will need to get it from them directly.

Rowan Public Library. 1997. A survey of out-of-county users of Rowan Public Library's Edith M. Clark History Room. Salisbury, N.C., Rowan Public Library.

Good luck! Heidi Kuglin

From butta at CLSN3046.glenview.lib.il.us Wed Jan 28 13:49:27 2004 From: butta at CLSN3046.glenview.lib.il.us (Deena Butta) Date: Wed Jan 28 14:36:57 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Interlibrary Loan: Genealogy In-Reply-To: Message-ID:

Hi---

I don't know if this will help in terms of alleviating ILL stress, but it can be considered in terms of alternatives to ILL-ing a book or a film: our periodicals dept will copy a page of a publication (or film) and fax it if formally requested to do so. often all the person needs is one obit, or one page containing info. as long as they are provided with specific information regarding where the info is to be found, sometimes it is easier for all concerned to do it that way. deena glenview public library

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Charlotte Sellers wrote:

> Greetings All, > > Sharon Campbell, Interlibrary Loan Manager of the Washoe County Library > System (NUW) in Reno, NV, posed a question to the ILL listserv: > > "Can you tell me if there is information somewhere on how to do ILL for > genealogists? I've done ILL for eight years, but when it comes to this part > of it, I feel like a newbie." > > Sharon is asking in particular about identifying which libraries hold > certain years of newspaper microfilm in the wake of a request for "a bunch" > of obits. Knowing who also will loan said film and at what cost also would > be good. > > As a sometimes ILL librarian myself, I shared some thoughts with her and I'm > sure those on the ILL list will share others (&/or rant about genealogists) > ... but this may be a good topic for this list as well. Librarians and > genealogists both could benefit from the discussion! > > Also seems to me more genealogy material is being made available through ILL > now than 15 years ago ... when many ILLers refused even to put such a > request into the system (which caused me to rant)! > > We can share with the ILL folk our deepest, darkest secrets for acquiring > copies and loans for our genealogy patrons. I'll be glad to collect & > forward discussion messages from this list to Sharon for the ILL list if > y'all come up with the interesting and helpful replies you usually do. And > if she shares what the ILLers write, I'll be glad to post those here if you > are interested. > > Cheers! > Charlotte Sellers > Information Services - Local History > Jackson County Public Library > 303 West 2nd Street > Seymour IN 47274 > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib >

From butta at CLSN3046.glenview.lib.il.us Wed Jan 28 13:49:27 2004 From: butta at CLSN3046.glenview.lib.il.us (Deena Butta) Date: Wed Jan 28 14:37:05 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Interlibrary Loan: Genealogy In-Reply-To: Message-ID:

Hi---

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Charlotte Sellers wrote:

> Greetings All, > > Sharon Campbell, Interlibrary Loan Manager of the Washoe County Library > System (NUW) in Reno, NV, posed a question to the ILL listserv: > > "Can you tell me if there is information somewhere on how to do ILL for > genealogists? I've done ILL for eight years, but when it comes to this part > of it, I feel like a newbie." > > Sharon is asking in particular about identifying which libraries hold > certain years of newspaper microfilm in the wake of a request for "a bunch" > of obits. Knowing who also will loan said film and at what cost also would > be good. > > As a sometimes ILL librarian myself, I shared some thoughts with her and I'm > sure those on the ILL list will share others (&/or rant about genealogists) > ... but this may be a good topic for this list as well. Librarians and > genealogists both could benefit from the discussion! > > Also seems to me more genealogy material is being made available through ILL > now than 15 years ago ... when many ILLers refused even to put such a > request into the system (which caused me to rant)! > > We can share with the ILL folk our deepest, darkest secrets for acquiring > copies and loans for our genealogy patrons. I'll be glad to collect & > forward discussion messages from this list to Sharon for the ILL list if > y'all come up with the interesting and helpful replies you usually do. And > if she shares what the ILLers write, I'll be glad to post those here if you > are interested. > > Cheers! > Charlotte Sellers > Information Services - Local History > Jackson County Public Library > 303 West 2nd Street > Seymour IN 47274 > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib >

From pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us Wed Jan 28 14:53:56 2004 From: pcooper at indian-river.lib.fl.us (Pam Cooper) Date: Wed Jan 28 14:42:25 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Library Web Sites In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID:

Larry: Thank you for your humorous outlook. I always enjoy reading your emails. Your situation sounds typical of the service provided by libraries prior to the 1990's. It seems to stem from the same problem when librarians used to say in response to an inquiring genealogist "we have nothing for you." For those of you who have been researching 15 or more years, I am sure you can remember this.

It certainly has changed for the better over the years, but it has been overlooked on our web sites, whether it is local history or genealogy, they are not being recognized as a "special collection" that can bring people into their library. Look at Allen County and what they have done for their tourist industry. Our library often has people come and stay for days in a hotel and eat at our restaurants just to use our genealogy department. Our web site is important to us because it saves us time and energy. Questions are answered that we no longer have to answer via the telephone while waiting on a patron standing at our desk. I rarely have to give driving directions, or hours, at least nowhere near what it was five years ago. Think about the time it saves. Here's hoping that you will be able to break down the wall of unhealthy inertia and put the Edsel in a museum. Pam

Pamela J. Cooper, Supervisor Indian River County Main Library Florida History & Genealogy Department 1600 21st Street, Vero Beach, FL 32960 772-770-5060, Fax 772-770-5066 Email: [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Naukam, Larry Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 3:50 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: RE: [Genealib] Library Web Sites

Subject: [Genealib] Library Web Sites

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From daysa at oplin.org Wed Jan 28 15:39:22 2004 From: daysa at oplin.org (Sandy Day) Date: Wed Jan 28 15:23:21 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Wonderful resource book! Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Hi At the risk of upsetting some of you, I want to suggest the following book;

Ellis Island Interviews: In their own words by Peter Morton Coan, 1997

This book actually does contain interviews with many people of different nationalities that emigrated to the US. I use this book lots and lots of times and have read it cover to cover. Parts of it is very emotional! If you are looking for an easy to read book that gives stats PLUS human interest stories...this is it! Check the index and the contents page before reading as they will save you time.

Thanks for the editorial time and no I am not connected with the author in any way!

Sandy Day Local Historian/Genealogist Schiappa Library Steubenville, OH ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040128/ e6c41f45/attachment.htm From dbeheler at kokomo.lib.in.us Wed Jan 28 15:52:53 2004 From: dbeheler at kokomo.lib.in.us (Debra Beheler) Date: Wed Jan 28 15:45:08 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Genealogy Slumber Parties at Public Libraries Message-ID: <[email protected]>

"Genealogy for Night Owls" has become a regular event twice a year (April & October) in our library. We start on a Friday evening at closing time (5:30 p.m) and continue until midnight or 1 a.m. We charge $13. and $11. for local genealogy society members. We are limited to 25 including staff by the local fire marshal. We have a catered dinner which is very nice. Participants use our staff lounge for breaks. The library's computer lab is available for overflow internet users. We also have door prizes and everyone gets something. We have all four of our regular staff on duty at least part of the evening. Our 2 subs work the day of the event and usually the Saturday morning so that we can do that. I don't think we make money, but it is lots of fun and popular with our patrons. Here is a sample webpage from our last fall's Genealogy for Night Owls - http://www.kokomo.lib.in.us/genealogy/ntowls15.html We sometimes hold a class which is optional during the event (genealogy on the web, Beginning HTML, etc.) @>--@>--@>--@>--@>--@>--@>--@>--@>--@>--@>--@>-- Debra L. Beheler, GLHS Genealogy Assistant & Webmaster of http://www.kokomo.lib.in.us/genealogy/ Kokomo-Howard County Public Library 220 North Union Street Kokomo, IN 46901 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Genealib] Genealogy Slumber Parties at Public Libraries

Dear ListServe:

Was there a size limitation? Food limitation? The libraries that hosted the event - would they do so again? Did the event help with PR for the library reaching out to the community?

Again, any suggestions would be helpful and appreciated. Have a great day!

Respectfully, Kim S. Harrison Otherdays.com [email protected] ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040128/ a14811aa/attachment-0001.htm From p.leedom at worldnet.att.net Wed Jan 28 15:41:09 2004 From: p.leedom at worldnet.att.net (Phyllis Leedom) Date: Wed Jan 28 16:33:32 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Interlibrary Loan: Genealogy References: Message-ID: <002b01c3e5e7$7286aa60$f73d4a0c@D9QXYB11>

Dear Librarians serving Genealogist:

When I worked in the Indiana Room, Anderson Public Library, Anderson, IN. With the advent of internet and patrons were asking for obituaries from various libraries throughout the country I generally emailed the library to see if they would send the obit to our library for a certain patron. Many did with no or little charge. If we could we would scan our obituaries and send them to a patron with no charge.

Phyllis Leedom Retired Genealogy Librarian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Deena Butta" To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Cc: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Genealib] Interlibrary Loan: Genealogy

> Hi--- > > I don't know if this will help in terms of alleviating ILL stress, but it > can be considered in terms of alternatives to ILL-ing a book or a film: > > our periodicals dept will copy a page of a publication (or film) and fax > it if formally requested to do so. > > often all the person needs is one obit, or one page containing info. > > as long as they are provided with specific information regarding where the > info is to be found, sometimes it is easier for all concerned to do it > that way. > > deena > glenview public library > > > On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Charlotte Sellers wrote: > > > Greetings All, > > > > Sharon Campbell, Interlibrary Loan Manager of the Washoe County Library > > System (NUW) in Reno, NV, posed a question to the ILL listserv: > > > > "Can you tell me if there is information somewhere on how to do ILL for > > genealogists? I've done ILL for eight years, but when it comes to this part > > of it, I feel like a newbie." > > > > Sharon is asking in particular about identifying which libraries hold > > certain years of newspaper microfilm in the wake of a request for "a bunch" > > of obits. Knowing who also will loan said film and at what cost also would > > be good. > > > > As a sometimes ILL librarian myself, I shared some thoughts with her and I'm > > sure those on the ILL list will share others (&/or rant about genealogists) > > ... but this may be a good topic for this list as well. Librarians and > > genealogists both could benefit from the discussion! > > > > Also seems to me more genealogy material is being made available through ILL > > now than 15 years ago ... when many ILLers refused even to put such a > > request into the system (which caused me to rant)! > > > > We can share with the ILL folk our deepest, darkest secrets for acquiring > > copies and loans for our genealogy patrons. I'll be glad to collect & > > forward discussion messages from this list to Sharon for the ILL list if > > y'all come up with the interesting and helpful replies you usually do. And > > if she shares what the ILLers write, I'll be glad to post those here if you > > are interested. > > > > Cheers! > > Charlotte Sellers > > Information Services - Local History > > Jackson County Public Library > > 303 West 2nd Street > > Seymour IN 47274 > > > > > > ______> > genealib mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From Shari.Stelling at iowa.gov Wed Jan 28 15:44:42 2004 From: Shari.Stelling at iowa.gov (Stelling, Shari) Date: Wed Jan 28 16:37:03 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Free to a good home! Message-ID: <7E977784BED5F04CB2A47C6FE6CC2C898E72B8@iowadsmex01.iowa.gov.state.ia.us>

Hello! We have the following duplicates available to libraries. Please reimburse postage with stamps. Let me know which issues you need and we'll send them out as soon as possible. Thanks! --Shari Stelling

********************** Shari S. Stelling State Historical Society of Iowa Library 600 East Locust Des Moines, IA 50319 (515)281-5070 email: [email protected]

GENEALOGY BULLETIN (AGLL) Jan-Feb. 1996 (No. 31) July-Aug. 1996 (No. 34) Jan-Feb. 1997 (No. 37)

NEXUS (New England Historic Genealogical Society) Oct-Nov. 1992 (Vol. 9, no.5) Feb-March 1993 (Vol. 10, no.1) April-June 1993 (Vol. 10, nos. 2 & 3) Aug-Sept. 1993 (Vol. 10, no. 4) Oct-Dec. 1993 (Vol. 10, nos.5 & 6) Feb-March 1994 (Vol. 11, no. 1) April-May 1994 (Vol. 11, no.2) June-Sept. 1994 (Vol. 11, nos. 3 & 4) Oct-Nov. 1994 (Vol. 11, no.5) Dec. 1994 (Vol. 11, no.6)

SEVENTEENTH CENTURY REVIEW (Colonial Dames XVII Century) Spring 2000 (Vol. 42, no.1) Summer 2000 (Vol. 42, no.2) Autumn 2000 (Vol. 42, no.3) Spring 2001 (Vol. 43, no.1) Summer 2001 (Vol. 43, no.2) Autumn 2001 (Vol. 43, no.3) Spring 2002 (Vol. 44, no.1) Summer 2002 (Vol. 44, no.2) Autumn 2002 (Vol. 44, no.3)

From Jerry at HeritageQuest.com Wed Jan 28 14:52:00 2004 From: Jerry at HeritageQuest.com (Jerry Millar) Date: Wed Jan 28 16:46:32 2004 Subject: [Genealib] What's a loafer -- thanks!! Message-ID: <[email protected]>

This maybe a little late, but here is more information about a loafer. In the 1930 Census for Madison, Wisconsin a looper in a hosiery factory was mis-keyed as a loafer. However, in order to mis-key loafer for looper, a loafer had to be a legitimate profession. This may not answer any questions, but maybe it will put the man in question in a better light.

Just another thought,

Jerry Millar - Library Specialist 669 West 900 North North Salt Lake, UT 84054 1-800-760-2455 x1743 - Fax 801-298-5468 - [email protected] Heritage Quest A Member of the ProQuest Company

Mary K. Mannix, M.A., M.L.S. Maryland Room Manager C. Burr Artz Central Library Frederick County Public Libraries Frederick, MD ______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From dplind at dpl.lib.in.us Wed Jan 28 18:21:44 2004 From: dplind at dpl.lib.in.us (DPL Indiana Room) Date: Wed Jan 28 18:11:09 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Interlibrary Loan Message-ID:

Family Tree Magazine had an article in the August 2003 issue on p 52 - State Secrets. The article included a listing for each state for library/archives/historical societies with ILL, online databases and reference services information. It includes addresses, phone # and URLs. The list makes a nice ready reference. Cindy Rutledge ************************** Indiana Room Danville Public Library 101 S. Indiana St. Danville, IN 46122 Phone (317) 745-2604 Extension 14 Fax (317) 718-8003 E-mail [email protected] ************************** From wpwolfe at qwest.net Wed Jan 28 21:12:39 2004 From: wpwolfe at qwest.net (William Wolfe) Date: Wed Jan 28 23:05:13 2004 Subject: [Genealib] How I get information regarding ILL of newspapers References: <20040127185816.2466.h010.c000.wm@mail.milliner.com.criticalpath.net> <002101c3e558$9cf9b880$6401a8c0@D3L96X31> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Ok, I am dumb - ILL Inter-Library Loan. I am just a guy who volunteered to be the librarian for the Boulder Genealogy Society, Colorado. I need to learn library-talk.

I still do not know what OCLC means and if it is a web site.

Bill Wolfe sent message on 1-27-04

Ann Perrigo wrote:

> Tips for discovering newspaper holdings using OCLC! > A. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:58 PM > Subject: [Genealib] How I get information regarding ILL of newspapers > > > I am a professional genealogist in Salt Lake City lurking on this list. I > have > > the MLS, and learned how to use OCLC back when it was "type in the first > three > > letters of the first word, the second two letters of the second word" or > > something like that. Now, I still use OCLC, to find out what libraries > have what > > issues of which newspapers. > > > > I don't have the ability to have access to the modules used by library > staff, > > since I currently don't work for a library. So, instead, I use the OCLC > patron > > product which used to be called the Union List of Serials. (It now has a > > slightly different name, which I have never bothered to learn.) All of > the > > newspapers that were microfilmed as part of the various state United > States > > Newspaper Program grants have OCLC records accessible via this search > engine. > > > > Use the "Advanced" search interface. For "type of material" select > "newspaper". > > In the search boxes, type in the name of the city or town that your patron > wants > > to get a newspaper from, and then, from the pull down menu adjacent to > that box, > > select "place of publication" as the kind of search you want done. Since > many > > states have cities of the same name, in the next search box, type in the > name of > > the state where the city or town was located, and specify via the pull > down menu > > that the state name is a keyword. > > > > Then click on search. You will then get results showing all of the papers > that > > were ever published in that locality for which catalog records have been > > contributed to OCLC (which, thanks to the US Newspaper Project is the > great > > majority of all papers that are still extant). Sometimes there will be > more than > > one catalog record for a particular paper, either because library holdings > differ > > or because one library chose to catalog it differently than another. The > OCLC > > records will specify precisely which libraries hold precisely which > issues, and > > in what format (almost all will be microfilm). > > > > Once I find out that a library has what I want, I then go to that > library's > > website to see if they have a page that explains their ILL policies for > newspaper > > microfilm. Most libraries with large microform holdings do have such a > page. If > > I can't find details on the Internet, I call the holding library's ILL > person. I > > can thus provide my local library with precise details on what my local > ILL > > librarian needs to do. I specify to here the OCLC accession number of the > > record(s) I looked at, the name of the person I spoke with at the other > library > > (or the URL of their website) and what fees (if any) the lending library > > requires. I also specify to my local librarian whether the lending > library > > accepts requests via OCLC or if, instead, it requires a request on the ALA > form. > > > > One last point, if the place where the newspaper was published was not the > county > > seat, then I also search for newspapers that were published at the county > seat, > > and, if the place from where I am hoping to get an obituary was close to a > large > > city in some other county, I will also try to get microfilm of newspapers > in that > > large city ILLed to me. If there are a large number of newspapers that > > potentially could have an obituary that your client needs, it is often > quicker > > and less expensive for the patron if he or she simply hires a researcher > in the > > city where the newspaper microfilm is housed to do the search on the > patron's > > behalf. > > ______> > genealib mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From DrewSmithUSF at aol.com Wed Jan 28 23:22:28 2004 From: DrewSmithUSF at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Wed Jan 28 23:14:45 2004 Subject: [Genealib] How I get information regarding ILL of newspapers Message-ID: <[email protected]>

In a message dated 1/28/2004 11:14:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I still do not know what OCLC means and if it is a web site. Bill,

OCLC is the Online Computer Library Center, whose website is at www.oclc.org. OCLC provides a variety of services to its member libraries, including FirstSearch, a product that gives access to numerous reference databases (such as full-text periodicals) and access to WorldCat, an enormous catalog of the holdings of the world's libraries. You may want to visit OCLC's site to learn more details about what it is and what it offers its members.

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William--This message didn't originate with me--I was trying to forward it to my local history librarian (who also does our interlibrary loans) and I inadvertently sent it back to the whole list. Oops! See, we all have more to learn... OCLC is a huge (bigger than nationwide) listing of libraries' holdings. It's used mostly for "ILLing" but also as a bibliographic aid (yes, this book really does exist and the Library of Congress owns it!). I would suggest finding out if your local public library has access to FirstSearch. It's a collection of databases that includes OCLC's Worldcat. There may be a way to search it from your home (or library) but you might have to get authorization through your public library. I'm sure every library/state does it differently. Here in Michigan, it's part of a number of databases that are funded by the State, and free to every public, school, and academic library. Recently, the public has been given access from home. It's a great service that we provide! But I don't know too much else about what this message discusses--guess you just get to Worldcat and follow the directions! Ann Perrigo, Director Allegan (MI) Public Library [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Wolfe" To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [Genealib] How I get information regarding ILL of newspapers

> Ok, I am dumb - ILL Inter-Library Loan. I am just a guy who volunteered to be > the librarian for the Boulder Genealogy Society, Colorado. I need to learn > library-talk. > > I still do not know what OCLC means and if it is a web site. > > Bill Wolfe sent message on 1-27-04 > > Ann Perrigo wrote: > > > Tips for discovering newspaper holdings using OCLC! > > A. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:58 PM > > Subject: [Genealib] How I get information regarding ILL of newspapers > > > > > I am a professional genealogist in Salt Lake City lurking on this list. I > > have > > > the MLS, and learned how to use OCLC back when it was "type in the first > > three > > > letters of the first word, the second two letters of the second word" or > > > something like that. Now, I still use OCLC, to find out what libraries > > have what > > > issues of which newspapers. > > > > > > I don't have the ability to have access to the modules used by library > > staff, > > > since I currently don't work for a library. So, instead, I use the OCLC > > patron > > > product which used to be called the Union List of Serials. (It now has a > > > slightly different name, which I have never bothered to learn.) All of > > the > > > newspapers that were microfilmed as part of the various state United > > States > > > Newspaper Program grants have OCLC records accessible via this search > > engine. > > > > > > Use the "Advanced" search interface. For "type of material" select > > "newspaper". > > > In the search boxes, type in the name of the city or town that your patron > > wants > > > to get a newspaper from, and then, from the pull down menu adjacent to > > that box, > > > select "place of publication" as the kind of search you want done. Since > > many > > > states have cities of the same name, in the next search box, type in the > > name of > > > the state where the city or town was located, and specify via the pull > > down menu > > > that the state name is a keyword. > > > > > > Then click on search. You will then get results showing all of the papers > > that > > > were ever published in that locality for which catalog records have been > > > contributed to OCLC (which, thanks to the US Newspaper Project is the > > great > > > majority of all papers that are still extant). Sometimes there will be > > more than > > > one catalog record for a particular paper, either because library holdings > > differ > > > or because one library chose to catalog it differently than another. The > > OCLC > > > records will specify precisely which libraries hold precisely which > > issues, and > > > in what format (almost all will be microfilm). > > > > > > Once I find out that a library has what I want, I then go to that > > library's > > > website to see if they have a page that explains their ILL policies for > > newspaper > > > microfilm. Most libraries with large microform holdings do have such a > > page. If > > > I can't find details on the Internet, I call the holding library's ILL > > person. I > > > can thus provide my local library with precise details on what my local > > ILL > > > librarian needs to do. I specify to here the OCLC accession number of the > > > record(s) I looked at, the name of the person I spoke with at the other > > library > > > (or the URL of their website) and what fees (if any) the lending library > > > requires. I also specify to my local librarian whether the lending > > library > > > accepts requests via OCLC or if, instead, it requires a request on the ALA > > form. > > > > > > One last point, if the place where the newspaper was published was not the > > county > > > seat, then I also search for newspapers that were published at the county > > seat, > > > and, if the place from where I am hoping to get an obituary was close to a > > large > > > city in some other county, I will also try to get microfilm of newspapers > > in that > > > large city ILLed to me. If there are a large number of newspapers that > > > potentially could have an obituary that your client needs, it is often > > quicker > > > and less expensive for the patron if he or she simply hires a researcher > > in the > > > city where the newspaper microfilm is housed to do the search on the > > patron's > > > behalf. > > > ______> > > genealib mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > > > ______> > genealib mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From carterl at mail.clarke.public.lib.ga.us Thu Jan 29 10:34:17 2004 From: carterl at mail.clarke.public.lib.ga.us (Laura Carter) Date: Thu Jan 29 10:26:49 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Increase Hours References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

There was an article in the August 2003 American Libraries about Allen Co. Library and how it is considered a tourist destination. You might want to request a copy of that article. The article was by Jennifer Burek Pierce, "History is its own reward back home in Indiana" pp. 46-48. This might help with one piece of the puzzle.

Laura

Maria Brower wrote:

> I know many of us are suffering budget and/or staff cuts due to county > or state budgets. I have been trying to increase our hours from 30 to > 40 hrs. per week. We are the local history branch of our local > library system and are open from 10:00-4:00 daily except Thursdays and > Sundays. > Our previous county librarian "didn't see the history branch as a > full-time library." We have a new county librarian and I am trying to > find the key to convince him and thus the Board of Supervisors that we > need to be open on Thursdays or one or two evenings. It is the #1 > patron complaint, especially out-of-town patrons that come to town for > long weekends. We are a tourist town and our county receives a large > portion of $$ from the tourist dollar. We are a Carnegie Library and > a historical landmark. Our library has one of the best local > collections I know of (I have been a genealogists for over 25 years > and visited many of the libraries that you work in!) > We have newspapers on film from 1851-present, about 23 different > newspapers for that time period. We also have original county, > district and superior court records, original naturalizations, probate > and assessment records, with some record groups starting in 1856 > (after one of our major fires that burned the courthouse down.) Our > volunteers are always indexing and we are working on a 150+ obit > index. Special collections of Gold Rush history and Mining, early > California. > We were a major Northern CA Gold Rush county and had many of the > biggest quartz producing mines in California in our county. We never > suffered a depression in this county in the 1930s because our mines > were producing and people were working. > My questions is to those of you in management and decision makers, > what would it take to convince you we needed to be open additional > hours for researchers. > We are a reference library, have a paid staff of two and 20 volunteers > that rotate. I keep daily stats of patrons, books, films & maps used. > People complain to us but very few take the time to write a letter or > email to our county librarian. Our local writers, historians, > genealogical & historical societies are very supportive but they don't > seem to have enough clout to matter. > Maria E. Brower > Library Tech > Doris Foley Library for Historical Research > 211 N. Pine St. > Nevada City, CA 95959 > http://new.mynevadacounty.com/library/ > Join us for NGS "A Golden Prospect" in May 2004 in Sacramento! > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib >

-- Laura W. Carter The Heritage Room Athens-Clarke County Library 2025 Baxter Street Athens, GA 30606

(706) 613-3650 Ext. 350 Voice (706) 613-3660 Fax [email protected]

From jjeffrey at denver.lib.co.us Thu Jan 29 08:40:19 2004 From: jjeffrey at denver.lib.co.us (James Jeffrey) Date: Thu Jan 29 10:33:06 2004 Subject: [Genealib] How I get information regarding ILL of newspapers Message-ID:

Bill

Come visit me at Denver Public and I will arrange a tour of our ILL operations

James K. Jeffrey Collection Specialist in Genealogy Western History and Genealogy Denver Public Library

>>> [email protected] 1/28/04 9:12:39 PM >>> Ok, I am dumb - ILL Inter-Library Loan. I am just a guy who volunteered to be the librarian for the Boulder Genealogy Society, Colorado. I need to learn library-talk.

I still do not know what OCLC means and if it is a web site.

Bill Wolfe sent message on 1-27-04

Ann Perrigo wrote:

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From MMannixFCPL at aol.com Thu Jan 29 12:48:27 2004 From: MMannixFCPL at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:41:20 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Anybody got this book ... Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Pontiac's Conspiracy & Other Indian Affairs: Notices Abstracted from Colonial Newspapers ... ? and could check something for me. Much thanks, Mary PS I am looking to see if they include any Maryland newspapers.

Mary K. Mannix, M.A., M.L.S. Maryland Room Manager C. Burr Artz Central Library Frederick County Public Libraries Frederick, MD From chagler at michigan.gov Thu Jan 29 13:31:44 2004 From: chagler at michigan.gov (Charles Hagler) Date: Thu Jan 29 13:24:22 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Anybody got this book ... Message-ID:

Dear Ms. Mannix:

The Army History Institute at Carlisle PA and LC in DC are the two nearest libraries to you that have this book. WorldCat only show 22 libraries with this book.

Charles

>>> [email protected] 01/29/04 12:48PM >>> Pontiac's Conspiracy & Other Indian Affairs: Notices Abstracted from Colonial Newspapers ... ? and could check something for me. Much thanks, Mary PS I am looking to see if they include any Maryland newspapers.

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If you don't mind an interjection from the lurking publisher:

Pontiac's Conspiracy & Other Indian Affiars: Notices Abstracted from Colonial Newspapers, 1763-1765 includes information abstracted the Maryland Gazette as well as from the: Boston Gazette The Boston Evening Post Connecticut Courant Geogia Gazette Halifax Gazette London Chronicle London Gazette New Hampshire Gazette New London Gazette New London Summary Newport Mercury New York Gazette New York Mercury North Carolina Gazette Pennsylvania Chronicle Pennsylvania Journal South Carolina Gazette Virginia Centinel Virginia Gazette

And yes I do have this book.

Craig R. Scott CEO & President Heritage Books, Inc. Willow Bend Books (the Bookstore division of Heritage Books, Inc.) 65 East Main Street Westminster, MD 21157-5062 800 876-6103

Visit our websites at www.HeritageBooks.com and www.WillowBendBooks.com

----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [Genealib] Anybody got this book ...

> Pontiac's Conspiracy & Other Indian Affairs: Notices Abstracted from Colonial Newspapers ... ? and could check something for me. Much thanks, Mary > PS I am looking to see if they include any Maryland newspapers. > > Mary K. Mannix, M.A., M.L.S. > Maryland Room Manager > C. Burr Artz Central Library > Frederick County Public Libraries > Frederick, MD > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > From reminder at comcast.net Thu Jan 29 13:40:22 2004 From: reminder at comcast.net (Ceya) Date: Thu Jan 29 14:32:33 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Heritage Quest??? References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <000e01c3e69f$bc6eea80$abfbfea9@minderu6v6w262>

Have just gotten mad with Ancestry.com because last year when I renewed my membership, I told them that I DID NOT want my membership automatically renewed; but, that I wanted them to call me and let me decide first. They said that they would make a note of that and they could handle it that way.

Today, they called me and I told them that I had until March 17 to decide and they said that on that date it would be automatically renewed. I told them that they had promised me that I did not have to have "automatic" renewal; but, could be contacted before that date to decide. I got so mad when they said that that was not true and that someone made a mistake (they actually just told a bold-faced lie).

I called back and told them to cancel my membership effective March 18. They were not at all upset or sorry to lose my business.

I decided to look into Heritage Quest membership and this is what I got!!! What now folks???

Membership

Due to changes in the genealogy marketplace, HeritageQuest is no longer offering its QuestCard membership. HeritageQuest is also no longer renewing expiring memberships. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Those HeritageQuest customers with membership accounts not yet expired may still login, purchase goods at member discounts, and check their membership status.

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Hi. This error has become an "urban legend" and can often be seen making the rounds of the genealogy listservs.

The posting you mentioned actually refers to the old: "Heritage Quest Club" memberships. This was a discount club for buying books, CD's etc. It was never for the online content.

The old Heritage Quest (Utah) was sold to Sierra/Vivendi Universal (Seattle, WA) about 7+ years ago. About 2+ years ago they sold it again to ProQuest (Michigan). At that point HQ dropped it's HQ Club memberships which were much like a WalMart for buying a wide range of genealogy products. The consumer product lines were picked up by the new company HeritageCreations. So, it is the discount club memberships that ceased...along with the old HQ company.

Meanwhile ProQuest has taken the resources of Heritage Quest and re-branded it HeritageQuest Online and brought it online. These online services are widely used and valued by libraries across the country.

The website posting abt the closing of the "HQ Club memberships" was put up back in about 2000-2001. It does not refer to the online content which Heritage Quest never put online.

Onward,

Tom

Thomas Jay Kemp Godfrey Memorial Library 134 Newfield Street Middletown, CT 06457-2534

Tel. 860.346.4375 FAX 860.347.9874 [email protected] www.Godfrey.org

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ceya Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:40 PM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: [Genealib] Heritage Quest???

I called back and told them to cancel my membership effective March 18. They were not at all upset or sorry to lose my business.

I decided to look into Heritage Quest membership and this is what I got!!! What now folks???

Membership

From William.Forsyth at heritagequest.com Thu Jan 29 13:32:51 2004 From: William.Forsyth at heritagequest.com (William Forsyth) Date: Thu Jan 29 15:27:11 2004 Subject: [Genealib] HeritageQuest Online is alive and well and living at ProQuest Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I believe I can help with Ceya's question (see below): The Membership announcement she has excerpted below refers to a "buyer's club" discount card that was offered for a time at www.heritagequest.com. The card would allow discount purchases of HeritageQuest microfilm, CDs, books, etc.

I think Ceya may have mistaken this membership program, which has indeed been discontinued, with our HeritageQuest Online product (HQO), which is still going strong and can be accessed through one's public library if that library subscribes.

HQO is an institutional product and is sold to libraries, societies, etc. Individual consumers can access much of the data in HQO through a Census and/or Family & Local Histories subscription from Genealogy.com.

I hope this helps.

William Forsyth, PMP Director of Product Management HeritageQuest ProQuest Information and Learning [email protected]

Today, they called me and I told them that I had until March 17 to Decide and they said that on that date it would be automatically renewed. I Told them that they had promised me that I did not have to have "automatic" renewal; but, could be contacted before that date to decide. I got so mad when they said that that was not true and that someone made a mistake (they actually just told a bold-faced lie).

I called back and told them to cancel my membership effective March 18. They were not at all upset or sorry to lose my business.

I decided to look into Heritage Quest membership and this is what I got!!! What now folks???

Membership

From reminder at comcast.net Thu Jan 29 14:51:20 2004 From: reminder at comcast.net (Ceya) Date: Thu Jan 29 15:43:30 2004 Subject: [Genealib] HeritageQuest Online is alive and well and living at ProQuest References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <002301c3e6a9$a624d8c0$abfbfea9@minderu6v6w262>

Thanks for this information. I was under the impression that I--as an individual--could become a member of Heritage Quest--just like Ancestry. Thanks for setting me straight. I appreciate it.

Ceya

----- Original Message ----- From: "William Forsyth" To: "'Librarians Serving Genealogists'" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [Genealib] HeritageQuest Online is alive and well and living at ProQuest

> I believe I can help with Ceya's question (see below): > > The Membership announcement she has excerpted below refers to a "buyer's > club" discount card that was offered for a time at www.heritagequest.com. > The card would allow discount purchases of HeritageQuest microfilm, CDs, > books, etc. > > I think Ceya may have mistaken this membership program, which has indeed > been discontinued, with our HeritageQuest Online product (HQO), which is > still going strong and can be accessed through one's public library if that > library subscribes. > > HQO is an institutional product and is sold to libraries, societies, etc. > Individual consumers can access much of the data in HQO through a Census > and/or Family & Local Histories subscription from Genealogy.com. > > I hope this helps. > > William Forsyth, PMP > Director of Product Management > HeritageQuest > ProQuest Information and Learning > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ceya > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:40 PM > To: Librarians Serving Genealogists > Subject: [Genealib] Heritage Quest??? > > Have just gotten mad with Ancestry.com because last year when I > renewed my membership, I told them that I DID NOT want my membership > automatically renewed; but, that I wanted them to call me and let me decide > first. They said that they would make a note of that and they could handle > it that way. > > Today, they called me and I told them that I had until March 17 to > Decide and they said that on that date it would be automatically renewed. I > Told them that they had promised me that I did not have to have "automatic" > renewal; but, could be contacted before that date to decide. I got so mad > when they said that that was not true and that someone made a mistake (they > actually just told a bold-faced lie). > > I called back and told them to cancel my membership effective March 18. > They were not at all upset or sorry to lose my business. > > I decided to look into Heritage Quest membership and this is what I > got!!! What now folks??? > > > Membership > > Due to changes in the genealogy marketplace, HeritageQuest is no longer > offering its QuestCard membership. HeritageQuest is also no longer renewing > expiring memberships. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. > Those HeritageQuest customers with membership accounts not yet expired may > still login, purchase goods at member discounts, and check their membership > status. > > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib >

From maire1999 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 12:56:43 2004 From: maire1999 at yahoo.com (Mary Devine) Date: Thu Jan 29 15:49:01 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Heritage Quest??? In-Reply-To: <000e01c3e69f$bc6eea80$abfbfea9@minderu6v6w262> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Hi! One thing I do with my own personal memberships to the various databases is make sure I use credit cards that will be expiring before the next automatic renewal. They won't automatically renew something that they can't get the money for. Just a thought. Doesn't always work since expiration dates on credit cards are funny like that but it has helped a few times. Good luck! Mary Devine

Ceya wrote: Have just gotten mad with Ancestry.com because last year when I renewed my membership, I told them that I DID NOT want my membership automatically renewed; but, that I wanted them to call me and let me decide first. They said that they would make a note of that and they could handle it that way.

I called back and told them to cancel my membership effective March 18. They were not at all upset or sorry to lose my business......

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The Center for Oral and Public History is proud to offer an audio preservation workshop dealing with audio tape storage and migration to CD. Richard Hess, a regionally and nationally recognized leader in his field will come to COPH with years of experience and an eagerness to share his respective expertise.

Mr HESS, an audio engineer and Principal Consultant at National TeleConsultants for twenty years, will present a brief history of audio recording with examples and hands-on media samples. Bring your own unique/rare formats and try to stump him! He will review a wide variety of formats, tell how to recover some of them, and talk about tape track formats and transfer strategies. The all-day format will permit in-depth discussion of individual problems.

Mr. Hess worked in the engineering department of ABC Television in New York under Max Berry, John Gable, Ben Greenberg, Joe Maltz, and Hans Schmid from 1974 through 1981. In 1981 he joined McCurdy Radio in Toronto, where he ultimately became director of engineering. In 1983, after George McCurdy sold the company, Mr. Hess joined National TeleConsultants in Glendale, CA, where he continues to work on a variety of large-scale broadcast facility projects. He maintains a web site at http://www.richardhess.com, which contains some great information on tape restoration.

Workshops are offered from 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. at the Center for Oral and Public History, CSU Fullerton (PLS 363). This ?hands-on? approach offers participants practical guidance, involvement, and the opportunity to exchange ideas with others.

Registration fee: Your fee includes all workshop materials and lunch. Workshops $35. Full time students who provide proof of enrollment at the time of registration pay a reduced rate of $25 for each individual workshop. You may pay by credit card. Please visit our website for more information http://coph.fullerton.edu or email [email protected]

Hope to see you there!

Sharon Owen Systems Librarian Center for Oral and Public History California State University, Fullerton [email protected] 714 278-4635 http://coph.fullerton.edu

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From RGWSPOON at aol.com Thu Jan 29 19:08:26 2004 From: RGWSPOON at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Thu Jan 29 19:01:10 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Heritage Quest??? Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Dear, "[email protected]"

I'm sorry, but didn't Ancestry.com do what you asked them to do by contacting you six weeks ahead of expiration asking if you wanted to renew? Do you expect them to wait another six weeks for you to decide and call you again?

Any time you subscribe to anything using a credit card you can expect automatic renewals if you do not take action to cancel the subscription. If you are able to subscribe using a purchase order or check, you will maintain control of your subscription.

By the way, did you intentionally attach a file called "clearpixel.zip" to your email? Since you did not mention it, I did not open it. Too many worms and viruses out there.

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Thanks James, Will do in the near future.

James Jeffrey wrote:

> Bill > > Come visit me at Denver Public and I will arrange a tour of our ILL > operations > > James K. Jeffrey > Collection Specialist in Genealogy > Western History and Genealogy > Denver Public Library > > >>> [email protected] 1/28/04 9:12:39 PM >>> > Ok, I am dumb - ILL Inter-Library Loan. I am just a guy who volunteered > to be > the librarian for the Boulder Genealogy Society, Colorado. I need to > learn > library-talk. > > I still do not know what OCLC means and if it is a web site. > > Bill Wolfe sent message on 1-27-04 > > Ann Perrigo wrote: > > > Tips for discovering newspaper holdings using OCLC! > > A. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:58 PM > > Subject: [Genealib] How I get information regarding ILL of > newspapers > > > > > I am a professional genealogist in Salt Lake City lurking on this > list. I > > have > > > the MLS, and learned how to use OCLC back when it was "type in the > first > > three > > > letters of the first word, the second two letters of the second > word" or > > > something like that. Now, I still use OCLC, to find out what > libraries > > have what > > > issues of which newspapers. > > > > > > I don't have the ability to have access to the modules used by > library > > staff, > > > since I currently don't work for a library. So, instead, I use the > OCLC > > patron > > > product which used to be called the Union List of Serials. (It now > has a > > > slightly different name, which I have never bothered to learn.) > All of > > the > > > newspapers that were microfilmed as part of the various state > United > > States > > > Newspaper Program grants have OCLC records accessible via this > search > > engine. > > > > > > Use the "Advanced" search interface. For "type of material" > select > > "newspaper". > > > In the search boxes, type in the name of the city or town that your > patron > > wants > > > to get a newspaper from, and then, from the pull down menu adjacent > to > > that box, > > > select "place of publication" as the kind of search you want done. > Since > > many > > > states have cities of the same name, in the next search box, type > in the > > name of > > > the state where the city or town was located, and specify via the > pull > > down menu > > > that the state name is a keyword. > > > > > > Then click on search. You will then get results showing all of the > papers > > that > > > were ever published in that locality for which catalog records have > been > > > contributed to OCLC (which, thanks to the US Newspaper Project is > the > > great > > > majority of all papers that are still extant). Sometimes there > will be > > more than > > > one catalog record for a particular paper, either because library > holdings > > differ > > > or because one library chose to catalog it differently than > another. The > > OCLC > > > records will specify precisely which libraries hold precisely > which > > issues, and > > > in what format (almost all will be microfilm). > > > > > > Once I find out that a library has what I want, I then go to that > > library's > > > website to see if they have a page that explains their ILL policies > for > > newspaper > > > microfilm. Most libraries with large microform holdings do have > such a > > page. If > > > I can't find details on the Internet, I call the holding library's > ILL > > person. I > > > can thus provide my local library with precise details on what my > local > > ILL > > > librarian needs to do. I specify to here the OCLC accession number > of the > > > record(s) I looked at, the name of the person I spoke with at the > other > > library > > > (or the URL of their website) and what fees (if any) the lending > library > > > requires. I also specify to my local librarian whether the > lending > > library > > > accepts requests via OCLC or if, instead, it requires a request on > the ALA > > form. > > > > > > One last point, if the place where the newspaper was published was > not the > > county > > > seat, then I also search for newspapers that were published at the > county > > seat, > > > and, if the place from where I am hoping to get an obituary was > close to a > > large > > > city in some other county, I will also try to get microfilm of > newspapers > > in that > > > large city ILLed to me. If there are a large number of newspapers > that > > > potentially could have an obituary that your client needs, it is > often > > quicker > > > and less expensive for the patron if he or she simply hires a > researcher > > in the > > > city where the newspaper microfilm is housed to do the search on > the > > patron's > > > behalf. > > > ______> > > genealib mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > > > ______> > genealib mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From KSHtrains at aol.com Fri Jan 30 11:51:44 2004 From: KSHtrains at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Fri Jan 30 11:44:14 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Irish-American Heritage Month - March 2004 Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Dear Members of the List:

There is a nationwide movement by the Irish American Cultural Institute (IACI) to make Irish-American Heritage Month March 2004. ? So far the following States of AZ, DC, IL, NE, NV, PA and TX have issued proclamations in support of March being Irish-American Heritage Month.? One of the statements issued by IACI as follows:?

?The history and contribution of the Irish in America is a valuable story that mirrors the history of our country itself. ? Three signers of the Declaration of Independence were Irish-born and five others were Irish American. ? Irish and Irish Americans played significant roles in both the American Revolution and Civil War. ? Eighteen of the 43 Presidents trace their roots to Ireland.? ?

Otherdays.com is the premier of online Irish content and we would like to extend our own Irish Sale for February 2004. ? Otherdays will be pleased to offer a discount of 10% of our 2004 pricing for any sales placed by a library in a State (city or county) supporting this proclamation. ? If your state is not on the above list, just send me a copy of the proclamation for your discount. ? ?Otherdays.com just posted their 100th title on Friday, 23rd January 2004. ? That title was 1904 County Officers of Ireland. That resource covers all of Ireland listing the local officials who served or held a position in the Irish government. ? Otherdays currently adds a new title a week.

Ireland of Otherdays collection of databases is based on primary source documents, maps, newspapers, directories, classic books, prints and photographs. This highly integrated product will enhance the research of Irish Studies, History, Maps/Geography, Social History, Demographics, Photography and Genealogy. The uniqueness of Otherdays.com lies in the injection of creativity to deliver breath and innovative tools such as the Surname and Frequency Reports, and GenWizard.

Again, don't forget to sign up for our free online Newsletter to keep posted about our new titles added weekly but also for tips on researching Irish records. Otherdays.com is lucky to have such a gifted genealogist on our staff (and who many of you know), Francis Dowling. The newsletter is one way to appreciate Francis's Irish humor!

Respectfully, Kim S. Harrison Account Manager for Library Sales in Canada & US Otherdays.com PO Box 793 Farmington, MI 48332 Toll free (866) 471-1471 E-mail: [email protected] Home page: www.otherdays.com ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040130/770964d5/ attachment.htm From mjstevens at camden.lib.nj.us Fri Jan 30 14:16:53 2004 From: mjstevens at camden.lib.nj.us (Stevens, MaryJane) Date: Fri Jan 30 14:09:15 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Canadian Passenger Steamship Arrivals - Answers Message-ID:

Thank you very much to both Pam Cooper and Celeste Rider for helping me with the above question. Both answers were appreciated by my patron. Sincerely, Mary Jane Stevens

Mary Jane Stevens, Sr. Reference Librarian Camden County Library Reference Department 203 Laurel Road, Voorhees, New Jersey 08043 Phone: 856-772-1636 x3311 Fax: 856-772-6128 E-mail: [email protected] Website: http://www.camdencountylibrary.org

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Thank you to everyone who offered suggestions and assistance for our patron! He has already made some progress!

Phyllis Rickard A-V Librarian Lenawee County Library [email protected]

From jmiller at fvrl.org Fri Jan 30 13:05:01 2004 From: jmiller at fvrl.org (Jane Miller) Date: Fri Jan 30 15:47:53 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Partnerships Message-ID: <000601c3e774$b9b89450$d24b6042@dis08> Dear Genlib-ers,

My library manager has asked me to supply her with a list of public libraries that have partnerships with genealogy societies and what the nature of that relationship is.

As Vancouver Community Library's liaison with Clark County Genealogical Society, I attend CCGS monthly meetings and appropriate training sessions. We have worked together on a beginner's workshop to be held in our library meeting room, and I have presented a program about the library's genealogical resources, particularly the ILL service as it applies to genealogists. There are a number of other ideas taking shape, like a regular hour or two when CCGS volunteers would come to the public library to help folks with their research on site. This is a relatively new relationship, so we haven't begun to accomplish all the possibilities. Thus we are looking for more.

I would truly appreciate it if some of you would send me the kind of information I just shared in the above paragraph about such partnerships you have experienced and/or have plans for. Please include the name of your organizations and what you do together.

Thanks so much,

Jane Miller Reference Librarian Genealogy Specialist District Information Services Fort Vancouver Regional Library

From JPZintz at aol.com Fri Jan 30 16:31:43 2004 From: JPZintz at aol.com ([email protected]) Date: Fri Jan 30 16:24:00 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Partnerships Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Our Western New York Genealogical Society has our library located in the Central Library in Downtown Buffalo of the Buffalo and Erie County Public Library system. We have society volunteers in the library, usually every other day for 4 hour sessions to help the library patrons (and staff) with genealogical questions. We have been there about 7-8 years now & have a very good relationship (we think) with the library staff. Our society has, in the past, purchased additional equipment for patrons use in the library: a reader printer & two readers, although the readers gave up the ghost and we had to junk them. Our collection is kept separate from the BECPL collection, labeled with identifying stickers, and we are constantly adding to it, by donation and purchases.

June Partridge Zintz 49 Idlewood Court, Hamburg, NY 14075-6262 (716) 649-1129

Western New York Genealogical Society JOURNAL Editor

[email protected] author of "Marriages from Buffalo Church Records 1825-1900" (c 2004) and "Marriages from Buffalo Newspapers 1811-1884" (c 1999) User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) v. 5.11

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> You are invited to view and download the latest edition of Prince > William Reliquary, a quarterly genealogical and historical magazine > for Prince William County, Virginia. To view it requires version 5.0 > of Adobe Acrobat, available as a free download. > > http://www.pwcgov.org/default.aspx?topic=040034001060001600 > > Contents of the January 2004 issue include: > > * Buckland: A Virginia Time Capsule, by David William Blake. This > town on Prince William's western border looks much as it did two > hundred years ago. Mr. Blake presents highlights of its considerable > history. > * Revolutionary War Affidavits. Two applications for > Revolutionary War pensions were found among the court house loose > papers. Both affidavits were filed in 1820 in Prince William, one > representing a free African American soldier. > * Index to the Agricultural Schedule for Prince William County, > 1880 (Dumfries, Coles, and Occoquan Districts). Includes names of > farmers, type of tenure, acreage, and census page reference. > * Dumfries District Court Land Causes, 1793-1811 (continued). > Cases identify heirs, name slaves, determine property boundaries. > * Annual Report of the Superintendent of the Poor, 1890, listing > persons maintained by the County. > * Loudoun County Death Records that identify Prince William > natives born as early as 1766. > * Postcard of the Manassas Industrial School for Colored Youth, > ca. 1910. > * Freedmen's Bureau list of "loyal men" in Prince William County, > 1867. > * Hollywood Out of Prince William. The Prince William lineage of > a current Hollywood star. > > You may use Control+F to search the text for keywords of interest to > you. > > We invite your comments and submissions. > > Donald L. Wilson, Virginiana Librarian > Ruth E. Lloyd Information Center (RELIC) > for Genealogy and Local History > Bull Run Regional Library > 8051 Ashton Avenue > Manassas, Virginia 20109 > (703) 792-4540 > (703) 792-4520 (fax) > www.pwcgov.org/library/ > > > > > > ------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040130/91381a3a/ attachment.htm From wpwolfe at qwest.net Fri Jan 30 18:13:59 2004 From: wpwolfe at qwest.net (William Wolfe) Date: Fri Jan 30 20:06:08 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Partnerships References: <000601c3e774$b9b89450$d24b6042@dis08> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Dear Jane,

I am Bill Wolfe of Boulder, Colorado and the volunteer co-librarian for the Boulder Genealogy Society (BGS). My brains for this job is Linda Kepler who is a member of the society and a former school librarian. Our relationship with the Boulder Community Library is not a formal partnership such as you have. The Boulder Community Library are using their old Carnegie building as a branch library devoted to local history and local matters of interest. The public library has generously provided us with space in the Carnegie Library. Our collection is housed on the main floor and our stacks are open. We have also been given space to archive our periodicals and related items. In addition we have reserved tables in the reading space.

The BGS operates entirely independent of the public library. The society makes all decisions concerning acquisitions, technological purchases etc. The funds for the genealogy library activities come from the BGS budget. BGS members volunteer to work the genealogy section of the Carnegie building. The genealogy section of the library is open to the general public. Since the collection is primarily for research, materials do not circulate.

We feel we have a good relationship with the Boulder Public Library and their Carnegie staff. They freely give us help and advice and treat our collection as part of the public library collection. We also are given access to meeting rooms for conducting BGS library business. The BGS has also participated in special library displays in the main library building.

I will close by saying I have just completed my first year as one of the co-librarians so there may be a great deal that I failed to share with you. So if I find anything else that I think might be of interest to you, I will send it along. Feel free to contact us at any time and if you are ever in Boulder, Colorado, stop and pay us a visit.

The address of our library is Carnegie Library, Local History Research Center, 1125 Pine Street, Boulder, Colorado 80302.

The business address for the Boulder Genealogy Society is P.O. Box 3246, Boulder, Colorado. Good luck on your project!

Bill Wolfe, Co-Librarian Boulder Genealogy Society wpwolfe @qwest.net

Linda Kepler, Co-Librarian Boulder Genealogy Society [email protected]

Jane Miller wrote:

> Dear Genlib-ers, > > My library manager has asked me to supply her with a list of public > libraries that have partnerships with genealogy societies and what the > nature of that relationship is. > > As Vancouver Community Library's liaison with Clark County Genealogical > Society, I attend CCGS monthly meetings and appropriate training sessions. > We have worked together on a beginner's workshop to be held in our library > meeting room, and I have presented a program about the library's > genealogical resources, particularly the ILL service as it applies to > genealogists. There are a number of other ideas taking shape, like a regular > hour or two when CCGS volunteers would come to the public library to help > folks with their research on site. This is a relatively new relationship, so > we haven't begun to accomplish all the possibilities. Thus we are looking > for more. > > I would truly appreciate it if some of you would send me the kind of > information I just shared in the above paragraph about such partnerships you > have experienced and/or have plans for. Please include the name of your > organizations and what you do together. > > Thanks so much, > > Jane Miller > Reference Librarian > Genealogy Specialist > District Information Services > Fort Vancouver Regional Library > > ______> genealib mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib

From cbhamer at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 30 22:21:14 2004 From: cbhamer at bellsouth.net ([email protected]) Date: Fri Jan 30 23:05:41 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Partnerships In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

In addition to being Head of the Louisiana Division and City Archives Collection at the New Orleans Public Library, I have been an active member of the Genealogical Research Society of New Orleans since 1965. In pursuit of my own hobby of genealogy, I attend most of the meetings, keep the members up to date with the latest developments in our collection, and am a regular panelist on their programs. I have held numerous positions on their board of directors, including first vice-president, and have been the Circulation Manager since 1989. As Circulation Manager, I keep the membership list up to date in an Access File, send out the annual renewal notices and create mailing labels four times a year for our quarterly, the "New Orleans Genesis".

What do they do for us? The only official connection we have is the donation of all the genealogy books submitted for review in the organization quarterly and the fund raising they did to enable us to buy the 1930 Louisiana Census and Soundex on microfilm. They co-sponsor our semi-annual beginner genealogy classes and several members spend the day assisting the attendees after the programs. When we had a tax drive in 1986, they were one of the first groups to support the library's efforts.

When I took over the Louisiana Division in 1969, I found over one million totally mixed up voter registration application cards from the 1920's to the 1940's in the library's basement. It took several years for the volunteers from the genealogical society to sort them out so that they could be microfilmed and be available for use. They have been a steady source of volunteers on obituary & marriage license indexing projects.

One of the organization's former presidents tipped me off when the local clerk of court was about to move all of the nineteenth century records into an old leaky, unairconditioned, rat and roach infested warehouse and helped me convince the senior judge that the library was the logical place to house their records. Subsequent arrangements with the civil court have made us the official repository for their records from 1804-1927.

Having been on both sides of the aisle, so to speak, I think the less official arrangements are better since neither side gets their feelings hurt if something doesn't work out as planned. Since our relationship is mostly unofficial, however, I am concerned that no one at the library will keep up the contacts and the cooperative ventures I have developed after I retire in July of this year.

From tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org Sat Jan 31 09:14:26 2004 From: tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org (Tracy Luscombe) Date: Sat Jan 31 10:05:55 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Partnerships Message-ID:

I am a new genealogy librarian but have made a point of building a relationship with the North Collin County Genealogical Society. This group meets in the meeting room of our library once a month. I make it a point to visit the meeting even if I'm not able to stay for the whole meeting. I pass out copies of a list I typed up of all the new genealogy books we've added to the collection since their last meeting. Also, tell them about any programs we have planned that might interest them. There has been an ongoing project for years of indexing the obituaries from the old McKinney newspapers. This is handled by volunteers, some from the genealogy group but not all. Since this project is of great interest to them I always bring them up to date on the progress. Each year this group buys several books, as their budget allows, to donate to the genealogy collection of the library. I also use their "wish list" to guide some of my budget purchases. One of their members volunteers for one-on-one help to our patrons for a few hours two Saturdays a month. However, I think that is his own idea, not something the society organized. I do know there are other societies in this area that get together in "their" library's genealogy area one night a month to help each other and anyone else who shows up needing help.

In addition, the local DAR chapter has recently begun having one of their volunteers here one Sat. a month to help patrons with their research. They are really hoping for new members as they help a patron find that revolution connection, but seem to be willing to help most anyone.

Hope this is helpful Jane.

Tracy Luscombe Genealogy Librarian McKinney Memorial Public Library McKinney, TX

-----Original Message----- From: Jane Miller [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:05 PM To: genlib Cc: Doreen Turpen Subject: [Genealib] Partnerships

Dear Genlib-ers,

My library manager has asked me to supply her with a list of public libraries that have partnerships with genealogy societies and what the nature of that relationship is.

Thanks so much,

Jane Miller Reference Librarian Genealogy Specialist District Information Services Fort Vancouver Regional Library

From georgeann at msn.com Sat Jan 31 07:47:59 2004 From: georgeann at msn.com (georgeann malowney) Date: Sat Jan 31 10:41:01 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Collections of loose photographs in public libraries & how they are indexed Message-ID:

I've found some libraries have many loose photographs. One has over 27,000. It seems to be 'hit & miss' to find out about these collections. Maybe because some are in library departments I might not have thought to ask in, such as the art department.

Can some of you share information about loose photographs in collections you know of, how they are indexed, what the policies are for people to come in and scan, etc. Whether the libraries allow scanning and only want photographic credit if it is used in a book.

(I am aware of huge collections in many Universities' special collections - I'm trying to find out more about collections that are less known).

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The Virginia Room at the Fairfax County Public Library has a large collection of images: photos, negatives, slides, post cards and a few other media.

While our web site does not contain any details (we need to work on that), there is an email link to our photo archivist. If you have further questions he will be happy to answer them. We do have an index, will make copies and can send scanned copies.

See: http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/library/branches/vr/default.htm

Suzanne Levy

Virginia Room Librarian

Fairfax County Public Library 3915 Chain Bridge Road

Fairfax VA 22030

703-293-6383

Fax 703-385-1911 [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of georgeann malowney Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:48 AM To: Librarians Serving Genealogists Subject: [Genealib] Collections of loose photographs in public libraries &how they are indexed

(I am aware of huge collections in many Universities' special collections - I'm trying to find out more about collections that are less known).

THANKS

------next part ------An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/attachments/20040131/ bcbf34cd/attachment.htm From ejohnston at round-rock.tx.us Sat Jan 31 10:26:10 2004 From: ejohnston at round-rock.tx.us (Elizabeth Johnston) Date: Sat Jan 31 11:18:44 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Partnerships Message-ID:

I have been Genealogy & Local History Librarian here for abt 2 1/2 years and have been involved with the local Williamson County Genealogical Society for 10 years now. I, too, have held many different positions in the society from newsletter editor to presently periodicals chair. I am also on both the library and computer committees of the society. This is very useful so we do not double purchase anything. The society has funds budgeted for books and CDs and I, representing the library, have funds as well for materials. These materials are all housed together in the genealogy collection of the public library. The society retains ownership of their own materials and this is noted in the computer catalog record and in the stamping on the item itself. This relationship, though informal, has been going over for over 20 years. I, like some of the others, also go to meetings regularly. I enjoy the visiting and also use this as a time to pass on what's new and to find out what people's needs are. A bonus for the whole situation is that our library's former reference librarian, now retired, is the society's library chairperson. The library lets the society use the meeting rooms for classes with the library co-sponsoring. I, too, have been concerned about the informalness of our partnership. Our library director has been with us over 20 years, how will a future director see our situation? A few years ago, while I was in library school, I read some articles about library/society partnerships. Just found my copies of articles that may be of interest, more on the subject has probably been written more recently though.

Meisels, Sarah. "Building the genealogy collection in the public library: an interagency approach." Illinois Libraries, vol. 68, n. 4, April 1986, p. 254-8. Litzer, Donald S. "Library and Genealogical Society Cooperation in Developing Local Genealogical Services and Collections." Reference & User Services Quarterly, vol. 37, n 1, Fall 1997, p. 37-52.

The Meisels article is a "what we did here" type of thing and their plan for achieving their objectives in an Illinois library. The Litzer article is very good and I recommend it highly. Over 100 gen socs in Ohio were interviewed for the research in this in-depth article.

Also, review the archives of this list, I think the question of library/ gen society relationships has been posed before. That may be helpful as well. Good Luck!

Elizabeth L. Johnston Genealogy & Local History Librarian Round Rock Public Library System 216 East Main Round Rock, TX 78664 512-218-7064 [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: Jane Miller [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:05 PM To: genlib Cc: Doreen Turpen Subject: [Genealib] Partnerships

Dear Genlib-ers,

My library manager has asked me to supply her with a list of public libraries that have partnerships with genealogy societies and what the nature of that relationship is.

Thanks so much,

Jane Miller Reference Librarian Genealogy Specialist District Information Services Fort Vancouver Regional Library

______genealib mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib From jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us Sat Jan 31 06:34:40 2004 From: jmcmullin at alexandria.lib.va.us (joyce mcmullin) Date: Sat Jan 31 11:26:51 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Collections of loose photographs in public libraries & how they are indexed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Georgeann & group- The Alexandria Library has about 24,000 photos in the collection. They are organized by donor name, e.g., John Doe, Harry Smith, Mary Anderson, etc. The photos in each collection are arranged & numbered sequentially...Smith 1, Smith 2, Smith 3.

We have a collection called Vertical File for the images that come in one- sie, two-sie. The VF are organized by topic, King Street, Waterfront, Railroads, and within each topic numbered sequentially as they added. For public access, we maintain a series of about 2 dozen 3 or 4 inch binders. The binders hold photocopies of the images organized by topic, for example, King Street, Waterfront, Railroads.

We also have available photocopies of the images in each collection bound together, Smith 1....Smith x, Doe 1....Doe x. Here is the link to our photo/imaging charges. www.alexandria.lib.va.us/lhsc_online_collection_guides/photo/sellpix.html We allow people to bring in their own scanners, but we do charge the use of image fee depending upon their purpose....personal use is $10, publication use $25, etc.

Patrons who order studio prints, DO NOT receive the negative. We file that away for subsequent use for another order. We do a lot of scanning for patrons who want a digital format and now are establishing a protocol to scan & store image files for subsequent orders. We will probably do the initial scan at 600 dpi, 100% size, in the tif format & archive it to CDs by collection name & image number. The patron would receive whatever resolution, file format will suit their requirement.

Joyce A. McMullin Branch Manager Alexandria Library Local History/Special Collections 717 Queen St. Alexandria, VA 22314 PH: 703-838-4577 x 213

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:47:59 -0800, georgeann malowney wrote > I've found some libraries have many loose photographs. One has over > 27,000. It seems to be 'hit & miss' to find out about these > collections. Maybe because some are in library departments I might > not have thought to ask in, such as the art department. > > Can some of you share information about loose photographs in > collections you know of, how they are indexed, what the policies are > for people to come in and scan, etc. Whether the libraries allow > scanning and only want photographic credit if it is used in a book. > > (I am aware of huge collections in many Universities' special > collections - I'm trying to find out more about collections that are > less known). > > THANKS

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From loatho at ltnet.ltls.org Sat Jan 31 11:45:24 2004 From: loatho at ltnet.ltls.org (Larry Oathout) Date: Sat Jan 31 12:26:36 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Partnerships Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Our former director never wanted anything to do with any of the historical societies in our county. So, the formal relationship, and the historical society's extensive library are housed in a neighboring library.

After she left I jumped on the chance and started establishing contact and now some meetings and society events are being held at our place, and I'm now on the board. It's a good start. No formal agreements, but I think it is a good idea, because a lot of situations pop up that would be worked out ahead of time.

A director in a nearby library is having a lot of trouble now because they allow their society to house things, but now she is strapped for space and they want to expand. It is causing some raw feelings.

Larry Oathout Operations Director Mattoon Public Library P.O. Box 809 Mattoon, IL 61938 217-234-2621 PH 217-234-2660 FX http://www.mattoonlibrary.org

From ccgs at coxinet.net Sat Jan 31 12:56:36 2004 From: ccgs at coxinet.net (Cleveland County Genealogical Society) Date: Sat Jan 31 13:19:09 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Future Partnerships References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Gen-libers: We are a genealogical society which has developed its own library to about 4600 cataloged items plus an archive of county records which were being tossed out. Our public library has been hostile to the idea of a partnership. There may be, however, an element of change in the air. I'll take all the advice you care to share on creating a healthy relationship with the public library. Your comments on the topic of partnerships have been very helpful. We are funded entirely by donations, memberships, and fund-raising projects. And we are all volunteers. As it is, we do the best we can with staggering costs and limited space. Thanks for your input.

Jo Mustoe Library Manager Cleveland County (OK) Gen. Soc. P.O.Box 6176 Norman OK 73070 405-329-9180 http://www.rootsweb.com/~okccogs

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From berganne at baldwinlib.org Sat Jan 31 15:56:20 2004 From: berganne at baldwinlib.org (Anne Berg) Date: Sat Jan 31 16:50:04 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Map of Ireland Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I have a patron who is looking for a map of Ireland showing the families prominent in each county in the 11th to 17th centuries. She thinks it was in Catholic Digest, in their March issue for St. Patrick's Day years ago, and the map was a two-page spread in the center of the magazine. She had this map years ago and it got lost. It had the name "Comerford" in three different counties.

I have contacted the folks at Catholic Digest, and they say they have no record of such a map or article. I looked in the index of National Geographic, and they didn't have that kind of map.

I am finding places on the web that sell maps, including www.weescots.com/borderart, which has a map of "Clans and Families of Ireland". The description says "...shows the locations of over thirteen hundred clans and families, some of which go back over a thousand years." It doesn't say the date on this map or its origin. Not knowing anything about Irish research, I'm not sure if this is the same map or not.

Does this sound familiar to anyone, and if so, do you know where I can get a copy of this map?

Thanks.

Anne Berg Adult Services Librarian Baldwin Public Library 300 West Merrill Birmingham, MI 48009 Phone: 248-647-1700, then select option 2 Fax: 248-644-7297 E-mail: [email protected]

From mbrower at nccn.net Sat Jan 31 20:41:06 2004 From: mbrower at nccn.net (Maria Brower) Date: Sat Jan 31 23:37:26 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Increased hours Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Thank you so much to those who responded and your great ideas. I will share them with my staff and volunteers. I really feel hopeful now. We have worked so hard to enhance the collection and we are good at what we do! I remember when I worked a full-time job and had only my lunch hour to research since the history branch was only open 3 days a week from 1-4:00. No evenings, no Saturdays. Our patrons appreciate our effort, they send thank you cards, letters, candy, prunes (that patron owed a prune farm--but we really like them, although a case was overwhelming) hats etc. Maria E. Brower Doris Foley Historical Research Library

From ejohnston at round-rock.tx.us Sat Jan 31 10:26:10 2004 From: ejohnston at round-rock.tx.us (Elizabeth Johnston) Date: Fri Feb 13 11:45:09 2004 Subject: [Genealib] Partnerships Message-ID:

Also, review the archives of this list, I think the question of library/ gen society relationships has been posed before. That may be helpful as well. Good Luck!

Elizabeth L. Johnston Genealogy & Local History Librarian Round Rock Public Library System 216 East Main Round Rock, TX 78664 512-218-7064 [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: Jane Miller [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:05 PM To: genlib Cc: Doreen Turpen Subject: [Genealib] Partnerships

Dear Genlib-ers,

My library manager has asked me to supply her with a list of public libraries that have partnerships with genealogy societies and what the nature of that relationship is. As Vancouver Community Library's liaison with Clark County Genealogical Society, I attend CCGS monthly meetings and appropriate training sessions. We have worked together on a beginner's workshop to be held in our library meeting room, and I have presented a program about the library's genealogical resources, particularly the ILL service as it applies to genealogists. There are a number of other ideas taking shape, like a regular hour or two when CCGS volunteers would come to the public library to help folks with their research on site. This is a relatively new relationship, so we haven't begun to accomplish all the possibilities. Thus we are looking for more.

Thanks so much,

Jane Miller Reference Librarian Genealogy Specialist District Information Services Fort Vancouver Regional Library

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