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International Boxing Research Organization BOX 84, GUILFORD, N.Y International Boxing Research Organization BOX 84, GUILFORD, N.Y. 13780 Newsletter #18 June, 1985 WELCOME To the following new members: Andre Collin, Paris, France; John Peterson, Panorama City, CA; Robert Powers, San Pedro, CA; Jay Seidman, Lindenwold, NJ and Niel s Thorsen, Herlev, Denmark. ANNUAL JOURNAL The Third Annual Journal of the IBRO should be in the mail towards the end of July. Based on the quality of the material received thus far, it will be the best. Thanks to all the members who contributed towards it. MEMBERSHIP DUES Annual membership dues for the 1985-86 year are due by July 31st. Please make remittances payable to !BRO. Dues are $15. THANKS To the following for their contributions to this newsletter: Doti-. Giuseppe Ballarati, Jay Bakhuk, George Bl a ir, Dave Bloch, Ocania Chalk, Luckett Davis, Bob Diamond, Laurence Fielding, Herb Goldman, Chris Greyvenstein, Peter Hatton, Jack Kincaid, Lim Kee Chan, John Murphy, Sal Rappa, John Robertson, Johnny Shevalla, Bob Soderman, Bert Sugar, Tan Wee Eng, John Wilkinson, David Wolf, Bob Yalen and Paul Zabala. NEW ADDRESSES K en McCauley John Robertson Ken Alexander 343 Jefferson Ave. 294 Lambton Street Box 64 Valley Park, MO 63088 Durham, Ontario Sumpter, OR 97877 Canada NOG 1R0 (summer address only) Bruce Harris Bob Yalen 528 William St. 57 Breck Avenue Scotch Plains, NJ 07076 Brighton, MA 02135 2 NEW MEMBERS Andre Collin 142 rue de la Pompe. 75116 Paris 16e France Mr. Collin is primarily interested in professional boxing from 1900-1959 and especially the 1920-39 period. His specific countries of interest include: Czechoslovakia, Rumania, Hungary, Greece, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Egypt, Algeria, Argentina, Chile, Brazil, Peru, Venezuela, Japan, (pre-1945), Turkey, Cuba (pre - 1945) and Spain. He is also interested in all middleweights. Hi s special interests also include those boxers whose careers were made more difficult by boxing outside their native countries. He collects records and record books. John Peterson 8333 Saroma Ave. Panorama City, CA 91402 Mr. Peterson is interested in professional boxing from 1910-29 and specif ically in Battling Nelson, Joe Gans and Ad Wolgast. He collects books and photos and is interested in selling and trading hard cover boxing biographies. Robe rt Powers P. 0 . Box 1012 S an Pedro, CA 90733 Mr. Powers is interested in professional boxing from the bareknuckle era through 1929 and specifically U.S. boxers and all division champions from pre 1900 to the 1920s. He collects programs and original photos, complete tickets, advertising, posters, display pieces and fight contracts. He also collects turn of the century baseball memorabilia and early pro football memorabilia. Jay Seidman P.O. Box 96 Lindenwold, NJ 08021 Mr. Seidman is interested in contemporary professional boxing and especially in championship bouts. He collects programs and photos. Niels Thorsen Ka5taniedal 2 DK-2730 Herlev Denmark Mr. Thorsen is interested in professional boxing of all eras and all countries and particularly in boxing in Denmark. He collects books, magazines and record books. He is interested in identifying non -commercial sources for books for his collection. 3 INFORMATION WANTED 1 - Raymond Campbell, 65 Leisure Oaks, Fordyce, AR 71742 is looking for the following records: Chico Rosa, Honolulu; Jimmy Clark, Buffalo; Young Lefty, Fall River, Mass.; Al Mello, Boston; Jack Beasley, Calif.; and Ted Lowry. He also is interested in obtaining any information on Jimmy Clark - photos, articles and current address. 2 - Anthony J. Liccione, 1313 Brookedge Drive, Hamlin, NY 14464 is looking for a record of Ed "Lump Lump" Marins, a Philadelphia boxer who was born in 1923. 3 - Jim Bendat, 1231 Casiano Rd., Los Angeles, CA 90049 is looking for the following programs: heavyweight title bouts from the 1930s; 1941 Louis - Conn; 1949 Charles -Walcott; 1963 Clay-Jones; any Clay bouts prior to the Jones bout. He is also looking for a ticket from the 1964 Clay-Liston bout. 4 - Torn Leonard, c/o Memory Lane West, 592 Jean Street, Apt. 304, Oakland, CA 94610 is compiling a book on sports movies and would like anything on feature-length Hollywood films dealing with boxing - posters, 'reviews, equipment, etc. He also has a large collection of boxing movies posters and lobby cards for sale. 5 - T an Wee Eng, 101 Dunbar Walk, Singapore 1545, Republic of Singapore is looking for any records and/or clippings of Ah Wing Lee's fights. Ah Wing Lee fought out of Portland, Oregon in the 1930s. 6 - Tom Crome, 7 Park Crescent, Chiremoor, Newcastle on Tyne, NE27 OLH, England is looking for information on the U.S. bouts of Alf Greenfield who fought from the 1880s to about 1905 and who was an opponent of John L. Sullivan. He is also looking for the U.S. and Canadian record of Del Fontaine, the boxer who was hung for murder in the late 1930s. 7 - Jack Hay, Box 2355 R70, Las Vegas, NV 89124 is looking for any informal ion on Bruce Dempsey, born in 1925, and son of Jack Dempsey'sy_ounger brother, Johnny. OBITUARIES B ob Soderman makes the following excellent suggestion: " It would be a good idea to ask all of the members to send in clippings on the deaths of all boxers. I would be very interested in this news. For those boxers whose records I have submitted: Cowboy Eddie Anrierson, Johnny McCoy, KO Christner, etc., are they still living? IBRO should be a clearing house for this information. When I do my microfilm studies, I always try to include deaths of boxers when I see them. If all members reported on all boxer deaths in their own local newspapers, this would be very worthwhile. RECORDS Records appearing in this newsletter were compiled by the following individuals: Ritchie Fontaine - Jack Kincaid Johnny Kirk - Luckett Davis Lim Kee Chan - Lim Kee Chan (obtained by Tan Wee Eng) Tony Marino - Luckett Davis Joe McAuliffe - Bill Schutte As always, special thanks to Luckett Davis Freddie Miller - John Grasso for reviewing the records submitted and - Jimmy Smith - Laurence - Fielding helping with the typing. Johnny Van Heest - Bill Schutte Frankie Wallace - Sal Rambo 20 SECOND COUNT John Murphy, 133 Wellington Rd., Ma-ley, West Australia 6062, is interested in what he can find out"about a curious 20-second knockout rule that seems to have operated in Illinois, and perhaps other parts, around 1934. Some of Joe Louis' early opponents were given counts of 20 seconds before being declared knockout losers. The count seems to have applied when a fighter was knocked clear out of the ring. How long did this rule operate and where?" JOHN WILKINSON UPDATE Newsletter # 17 contained the complete amateur boxing record of IBRO member John Wilkinson along with some information on the 1984-85 Central Connecticut State University boxing team. Some additions to that follow: 3/5/85 Vinny Lucas, Lowell, Mass. W 3 semi-finals, New England GG - 156 lbs 3/6/85 Ray Daniels, Lowell, Mass L 3 finals, N. E. G. G. The CCSU team finished 3rd nationallyy this season behind the U.S. Air Force Academy and West Chester University. The U.S. M ilit ary Academy at West Point finished fourth. John Callas won the National Collegiate Boxing Assn. title at 125 lbs. on April 12 and 13 in West Chester, PA. LIM KEE CHAN IBRO was able to obtain a self - compiled record of Singapore boxer Lim Kee Chan in his own handwriting through the efforts of his good friend Tan Wee Eng. The record appears on page Wee Eng comments, "The sad thing is that most boxers' fighting records are not accurate ... reference hi remarks 'no cuttings, no dates & cannot remember What have you to say of his opponents 1) Fire Brigade Department Kid . presumably the chappie worked in the Fire Department 2) Speedy 7-Up ... this guy must have been a 7-Up drink addict 3) Fighting Kopi-Oh... Kapi-Oh is Black Coffee in local coffee or drink shops." DONNY POOLE and LOUIE ESPINOZA David Wolf, manager of welterweight Donny Poole and featherweight Louie Espinoza, as well as Ray Mancini, has forwarded 22 pages of clippings on Poole and Espinoza along with their complete records. In addition to the usual won-lost information the number of knockdowns scored in each fight is included. In Poole's first 27 fights (17 knockouts) through May 10, 1985, he has scored 38 knockdowns - an incredible average of 1.4 per bout. Espinoza, through Feb. 16, 1985 has recorded 13 knockdowns in his 15 bouts. Copies of the above records and clippings are available on reauest from IBRO. SOUTH AMERICAN BOXING B ob Diamond writes, " I recall reading that Eder Jofre was ahead on all three cards for a bout vs. Manny Elias but• that a fighter had to be ahead by at least three points in a non-title fight to gain a decision, otherwise the fight was a draw. Do you know if this is true? I wonder since Jofre had three draws in his early record, were they fights he was winning? Also, Carlos Monzon had 8 or 9 draws. Was this rule in effect in Argentina as well as Brazil? Perhaps someone familiar with South American boxing could find out who was actually-the winners in these early Jofre and Monzon fights." 5 Louie Espinoza (left) vs. Raul Albaladejo, Madison Square Garden, 12/14/8A Photo: Shelton Minor Donn y Poole stops Leonardo Bermudez, Reno, Nevada, 2/14/85 Phoiu Liedit: Robert Bumpers 6 "Th e Boxing Rambler" - Johnny Shevalla "Th e greatest talent of all is sheer confidence". - Jim Bishop (King Features syndicated columnist, story teller. Calls himself - a "reporter.") John Schulian, columnist for the Philadelphia Daily News, received the 13th annual Na' Fleischer award for excellence in boxing journalism from the Boxing Writers Association of America.
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