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Standing Committee on Intergovernmental Affairs and Justice STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS AND JUSTICE Hansard Verbatim Report No. 30 – May 3, 2010 Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan Twenty-sixth Legislature STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS AND JUSTICE Mr. Warren Michelson, Chair Moose Jaw North Mr. Kim Trew, Deputy Chair Regina Coronation Park Mr. Greg Brkich Arm River-Watrous Mr. Michael Chisholm Cut Knife-Turtleford Mr. Wayne Elhard Cypress Hills Ms. Deb Higgins Moose Jaw Wakamow Mr. Delbert Kirsch Batoche Published under the authority of The Honourable Don Toth, Speaker STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS AND JUSTICE 519 May 3, 2010 [The committee met at 08:09.] The Chair: — Thank you, Mr. Minister. I would just ask your officials if they would, when they address the microphone, to The Chair: — Well good morning. It’s about nine minutes just state their name for Hansard records. And there are some after eight. Welcome to the Intergovernmental Affairs and questions. I recognize Mr. Yates. Justice Committee meeting. The committee members are Wayne Elhard, Delbert Kirsch, Greg Brkich — who is absent Mr. Yates: — Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. My first and sitting in for him is Denis Allchurch — Michael Chisholm questions has to do with how will these changes better serve the and Kim Trew who is the Vice-Chair and Deb Higgins. Also public, and what differences will they see in service to them? with us this morning is Kevin Yates. Hon. Mr. Morgan: — A lot of the functions that were there This morning we’re dealing with Bills No. 138, 139, and 140 were for boards or commissions that no longer function or with Justice. Just to make it easier for the officials who are powers had been transferred by way of having another board or attending, we will consider Bills No. 139, 140, and then 138. another agency do it. So this would be regarded as the legislative cleanup to an Act of things that probably have Minister Morgan is with us. If you would like to introduce your already taken place. In the eyes of the public, it will probably be officials and have some opening remarks, you can go ahead seen as a simplification when they go to look up something or right now. look for something, and in some cases it may be easier to access or deal with a specific agency. Hon. Mr. Morgan: — Thank you, Mr. Chair. I’m joined this morning by several officials: Maria Markatos, Crown counsel, Mr. Yates: — Thank you very much, Mr. Minister. Mr. Chair, legislative services branch; Dave Wild, Chair, Saskatchewan to the minister, that’s exactly how, when going through this Financial Services Commission; Susan Hetu, executive director, piece, we read it. So how is — if most everything has been cultural heritage, from the Ministry of Tourism, Parks, Culture done, there’s really no change — is this called streamlining and Sport; Carlow Germann, director, heritage resource branch, government? Ministry of Tourism, Parks, Culture and Sport; and Drew Johnston, director, legislative services, Ministry of Education. Hon. Mr. Morgan: — I think when you have a number of statutes that call for the appointment of boards or commissions Bill No. 139 — The Miscellaneous Statutes that either aren’t needed or are no longer necessary, I think it’s (Streamlining Government) Amendment Act, 2010 appropriate that the legislation be made consistent so that you don’t, upon reading a statute or regulation . are given the Clause 1 appearance that there is significant function still taking place when in fact the function has been transferred elsewhere. Hon. Mr. Morgan: — The Miscellaneous Statutes (Streamlining Government) Amendment Act, 2010 will amend Mr. Yates: — Thank you very much Mr. Minister. Would this several statutes to eliminate boards, commissions, and be more appropriately categorized as housekeeping and foundations that are either no longer operational or whose housekeeping amendments to bring legislation in line with duties can be transferred to another committee, board or current reality? foundation. Hon. Mr. Morgan: — Some of them are actually transferring The Act will eliminate the Co-operatives Securities Board, the specific functions like the heritage pieces, and there’s functions Geographic Names Board, the Saskatchewan Heritage Advisory that are being moved. I don’t think I would characterize Board, and the Saskatchewan Heritage Review Board and housekeeping as being an unreasonable term for a number of transfer the powers and duties of these boards to other the things that are there, but there are things that are specifically pre-existing organizations so as to avoid duplication of duties. transferred or moved. The Act will eliminate, in their entirety, the Educational [08:15] Boundaries Commission and the Farm Support Review Committee as these bodies are no longer operational. Mr. Yates: — Thank you very much. How much will the cost savings to the taxpayers be as a result of these changes? In order to achieve these purposes, the following statutes will be amended: The Agricultural Safety Net Act, The Credit Union Hon. Mr. Morgan: — The cost savings may have already been Act, 1998, The Heritage Property Act, The New Generation realized because they were boards and commissions or Co-operatives Act, The Saskatchewan Financial Services positions that had not been filled. So in this fiscal year, there Commission Act, and The Education Regulations, 1986. In will probably not be a great amount of it. But it eliminates the addition, The Geographic Names Board Act and The potential for appointing people to a board that is no longer Saskatchewan Heritage Foundation Act will be repealed. functionally . The savings probably have been realized over the last two years. Similar amendments regarding bilingual statutes are concurrently being addressed in The Miscellaneous Statutes Mr. Yates: — Thank you very much. Those conclude my (Streamlining Government) Amendment Act 2010 (No. 2). questions. Thank you. We are ready to take questions. The Chair: — Are there any other questions from the 520 Intergovernmental Affairs and Justice Committee May 3, 2010 committee? Seeing none, Bill No. 139, The Miscellaneous The Chair: — Thank you, Mr. Minister. Do we have Statutes (Streamlining Government) Amendment Act, 2010, questions? Ms. Higgins. clause 1, short title, is that agreed? Ms. Higgins: — Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I guess I Some Hon. Members: — Agreed. could have asked these under the previous Bill also, but the changes to The Education Act and removing the Boundaries The Chair: — Carried. Commission . because I think you stated they were no longer needed. The ministry doesn’t believe that there are any [Clause 1 agreed to.] circumstance that may arise to have a look at boundaries as they currently exist? I mean, the distribution of students changes [Clause 2 to 11 inclusive agreed to.] quite drastically in some areas, and you’re not expecting any changes to the education system where this may be needed? The Chair: — Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan, enacts the Mr. Johnston: — The commission’s not had any new cases following: Bill No. 139, The Miscellaneous Statutes since 2006. Its term expired in May 2009. There may be (Streamlining Government) Amendment Act, 2010. Is that circumstances where boundary changes will come up. They agreed? haven’t been frequent. Since ’97 we have averaged maybe zero to two cases a year, and since 2006 none. There may be future Some Hon. Members: — Agreed. cases. We expect that they’ll be less likely because the property taxes are pretty well the same set mill rates across school The Chair: — Carried. I would ask that a member move that division boundaries. We also expect that . we report Bill No. 139, The Miscellaneous Statutes (Streamlining Government) Amendment Act, 2010 without The way the commission functioned in the past, the staff had amendment. done all the workup when a case did come forward in terms of preparation on the impact of changing the boundary and the Mr. Chisholm: — So moved. research that went into it. So staff actually performed the research for the commission members who then made a The Chair: — Mr. Chisholm. Is that agreed? recommendation to the minister. So staff will just perform those functions now when a case does come forward. But we’re Some Hon. Members: — Agreed. expecting probably even fewer than we have in the last 10 years. The Chair: — Carried. Thank you very much. That concludes Bill No. 139. Mr. Minister, we would like to proceed to Bill No. Ms. Higgins: — While the staff may have done the research 140. and worked up the information that was needed, the commission did serve a very important role in going out and Bill No. 140 — The Miscellaneous Statues meeting with the public. Now I understand that this government (Streamlining Government) Amendment Act, 2010 (No. 2)/Loi doesn’t put a high priority on consultations with the public, but corrective (rationalisation administrative) n° 2 de 2010 the commission played a very important role because taxpayers really need to feel like they’ve been heard and have an avenue Clause 1 to address changes and proposals that are coming forward in their area. Hon. Mr. Morgan: — On this Bill, I am joined once again by Maria Markatos and Dave Wild, and we are also joined by So while it may not be needed at this time, I am a little bit Drew Johnston, director of legislative services with the Ministry concerned that the whole possibility of establishing a boundary of Education. commission, if there are questions that arise, is taken out of the Act and that it will solely be left up to the minister’s discretion The Miscellaneous Statutes (Streamlining Government) because we always have to remember that we’re here to serve Amendment Act, 2010 (No.
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