Monday, June 28, 1971 Fifth Series9ROIV1R. 26 Asadha 7, 1893 (Saka)
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No. 26-MoruJoy, June 28, 19711AIIIdIuJ 1. lMJ.(w.).
CoLUMNS Oral Anawen to Questions- ·Starred Questions Nos. 751,757 to 759, 762, 764, 'l66, _tal 772, 778, 779, 755, 773 and 774 1-30
WritIea Answers to Questioaa-
Stacred Questions Nos. 752 to 754, 760, 761. 76.lt. 1661 .. 7~ 715 to 777 and 780 30-39
Unstarred Questions NOl. 3214 to 3240 and 3242 to 3302 39-99
Ca11iDtJ Attention to Matter of Urgent Public ImD Election to Committee on Public Accounts .. 106-107 Motion re: Statements by Minister of External Affairs re: Shipment of American Arms to Pakistan and his recent visit aborad .. 107-244 Shri Bhaawat lba Azad .. .. 107-20, 242-44 Shri Atal Bibari Vajpayee •. 120-28 Shri Jyotirmoy BOlu .. 128-30 Shri K. D. Malaviya .. 130-34 Shri H. N. Mukerjee .. .. 134-40 Shri C. M. Stephen •• 140-45 Shri Samar Mukherjee .. •• 146-SO • The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of tho: House by that Member. CoLUMNS Dr. V. K. R. Varadarllia Rao •• ISO-56 , ' , Shri K. Manoharan .. 156-60 Dr. Henry J\ustin j',' .. 160-64 Shri Shyamnandan Mishra .. 164-68 Shri Dinesh Singh .. 168-72 .Shri Erasmo de Sequeira .. 172-76 Shri Chintamani Panigrahi •• .. ' 176-80 Shri Piloo Mody .. 180-8S Shri Krilllma Menon .. 18S-93 Shri Sat Pal Kapur , . .. 193-96 Shri R. D. Bhandare I •• .. 196-991 Shri Samar Guha .. 199-204 Shrimati Sheila Kaul ;' •. ' 20S-06 Shri Jambuwant Dhote .. .. 206-10 Shri Ahmed Aga .. 210-14 Shl-i M. M. Hashim .. 214-23 Prof. S. L. Saksena .. 223-24 ;1;.'.. Sbri Ram Deo Sin8h .. .. 224-26 Shri Swaran Singh .. 226-42 ,I' , ) ,-' :.~ '. ., LOK SABRA DEBATES 2 LOK SABRA SHRI SWARAN SINGH: About the que.stion of arms supply by the US, I made a Monday,June 28, 1971/Asadha 7,1893 (Saka) statement in reply to a call attention nolice the other day. It has also been put dQwn for discussion today so that he will have ainple; opportunity to put across his viewpoint. The £Ok Sabha met at Eleyen of the Clock SHRI S. M. HANERJEE: When a ques- [MR. SPEAKER In the Chair) tion is there, naturally he has to answer it .. Discussion may be there today, but does that ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS mean he is debarred from asking questions ~ Statement made by Spoke8D18n or U.S.A. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: The US Regarding Restraint by India and Pakistan imperialists are moullting their attack 0" on Bangia Desb Development India and are not only trying to equate India with Pakistan but are supporting Pakistan in -751. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: this case. This statement was issued, bu~ Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Government kept quiet about it, though they be pleased to state: expressed their concern. This kind of attempt '(a) whether Government's attention has has been there not only on the part of the. US been drawn to a State Department Spokes- but even from UK; Home had also made a. man's statement in Washington that the statement. United States had counselled both India and Pakistan restraint in respect of Bangia Desh MR. SPEAKER: No speech; only a development; and question. (b) if so, Government's reaction thereto? SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: Will Government denounce these attempts in this THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- House? FAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. SHRI SWARAN SINGH: We )lave not (b) Government considcres any attempt kept quiet. Wc have made it clear to them in at even obliquely equating India and Pakis- ~o uncertain terms thaI any attempt to tan as unfortunate and uncalled for. I made equate tiS with P •• kislan is absplutely uncalled this quite clear both during my private and for and we greatly resent any. such attempt. public statements in Washington. SHRl H. N. MUKERJI;E: In view of SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPl'AN: The US the fact that this kind of equation of India has not only tried to equate India with Pakis- and Pakistan as mischicf-makers-fllorc than tan, but even after our External Affairs Minis- . equation, making India a great deal mor.~. ter's visit abroad, particularly to the US-- mischievous than Pakistan-has been part and I think he returned with hope-arms are of the conduct or the US so many times being ,upplied to Pakistan by that country. before, specially at the time of lhe 1965 con- Would Government here and now denounce flict, and in view of the further fact, which this attempt of an imperialist power like the has recently come to light, regarding the des- US to equate India with Pakistan in this patch of ships carryinlllJS arms to pakistan, matter? may I know why it i§ that' (jovernfllenl 3 Oral An.rwers JUNE 28, 1971 Ora/ Answers 4 appears content with merely saying in regard SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: He has not to certain offensive statements by the US not written that sort of letter, but has he that it is unfortunate, and at the outside, written any letter or not? uncalled for? Why don't we put it strongly enough to make it clear to the American SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I have said Government that we are not insuD!lidialo/ that this -statement that was made by them alliance with them? Or is it the Minister's was also oral, and we had also made public idea that ·India 'has got a subsidiary alliance statements and conveyed them to them orally. with the US? There was no occasion for writing a letter or a note, and I have not written any letter SHItI SWARAN SINGH: The 'hon. or note. member knows that there is no question of any alliance, primary or subsidiary, and I SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Will the would like strongly to dispel any such feeling. hon. Minister would be so kind as to tell We have told the US representatives in very this House whether, during his last visit to clear and unmistakable terms--I ·have made the United States and other countries, at public statements also-that we will not any time he said that what was happening in tolerate this attempt on their part to tarnish Bangla Desh was almost genocide, not geno- India 'in this manner, and any attempt, in cide? the present situation prevailing in Bangla Desh, to equate India and Pakistan is some- SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I have said thing which is totally uncalled-for and we are in some of my statements that what is haJlPClll" totally opposed to it. We greatly resent it; ing in Bangia Desh is genocide. I have left nobody in any doubt about that. Indian Diplomats in London engaged iD SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: Has he ever Business sent an official diplomatic protest even in regard to recent events? ·757. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIR.S SHRISWARAN SINGH: To say pub- be pleased to state; licly that this is something which is totally uncalled-c-for is much more than an official (a) whether Government have received protest, reports about the Indian nationals postell in the Indian High Commission in Londoa SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: That is how who have indulged in business activities and he thinks. acquired their own properties there; SH4H S. M. BANERJEE: It is true the (b) the steps which Government have hon. Minister has made certain public state- taken or propose to take to regulate this ments. Even in this House he has made a activity; and statement which, in my opinion was just to (c) whether many Indian nationals posted give a certificate to the U. S. imperialists for in the Indian High Commission in London their attempt to massacre people of Bangla have resigned and taken up business in the Desh. I would like to know whether, in addi- U.K.? tion to what he has said outside and inside this House, any letter through diplomatic THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE channels as a protest has been handed over MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIR.S to them, if so, the contents of that protest. (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) and whether it has been made clear to the No, Sir. Government of the USA that this -sort of (b) Service Conduct Rules prohibit~vem- statement and their attempt to -get the people ment servants from engaging tbDmselves of BangIa Desh masscared is an unfriendly directly or indirectly in theseactivities. act. (c) 16 India-based officials tendered theIr SHill SWARAN SINGH: 'No Sir, -Ihave resignations during the last two yean but not written arl>Y letter in wbioh Lha ve desc- so far resignations of only 4 persons baw rihQd ~auitude of theirs as~ , • been accepted. To the best of our knowle8p 5 Ora/ AMwer.l ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAKA) 6 none of these persons have taken up business; -n ao ~() ~: illW 1HT ~- they have, however, taken up jobs in U.K. ~ if ~ Ai Hi il! will be incurred by the Minister of Defence we have said that it should be pointed out to to cover the cost of sending the defence ser- Pakistan, not to us. vices to Ceylon to help them 1 Mr. Speaker? This is entirely a separate Question. I do not SHRI P. GANGADEB: In view of the allow it. fact Ihat the USA has been supporting Pakis- tan openly by supplying arms, etc., to them SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Additional and ignoring India's approach too thja .prQ- expenditure. blem, may I know whether the Gov.ernmont have a fresh appraisal of our foreill/l policy MR. SPEAKER: Do not ask a supple- on this issue? mentary Question so abruptly. SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I am sorry Protest Notes to U.S.A. Reprdillg Refe- have not followed the last part of his rences to Situation In East Bengal question. + MR. SPEAKER: He wants to know ·762. SHRI P. GANGADEB: whether, in view of this situation, the Govern- SHRI RAM SHEKHAR PRASAD ment is prepared to have a fresh reappraisal SINGH: of its foreign policy. Will the 'Minister of EXTERNAL SHRI SW ARAN SINGH: The foreign policy is constantly under review, AFFATRS he pleased to statc: (a) whethcr Govcrnmcnt have protested DR. RANEN SEN: The hon. Minist~r to U.S. Government against its tendency statcd that a protest letter has been sent, to equate Indiu with Pakistan in some of the and he has even made an open pubuc state- rcc:nt put-lie references about the situ~tion ment refuting the US Governmont's, state- in East Benga I: and ment equaling India with Pakistan. May-l (b) if so. the reaction of the U.S. Govern- know, after Ihis arms shipment to Paki$lAln. ment in this regard 1 while Ihey are equating India with Pakis· Ian and they are helping Pakistan in butcher· THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- ing Ihe Bengalis Ihere in Bangia Desh, ,whether FAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): (a)and the Governmenl of India sent any protest (b). Yes. Sir. As soon as a statement was . note? made by an oRicial spokesman of the US Government on May 27, 1971, counselling SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I have already restraint to both India and Pakistan, the answered that. Probably the hon. member matter was taken up both with the US Em- was not here at that time. bassy here and by our Emba~sy in Washing- ton with the State D~partment. It was pointed MR. SPEAKER: That was answered. out that advice on restraints should be direc- ted to Pakistan and not to India. I also made DR. RANEN SEN: After this arms this Quite clear both in my private and public shipment was sent to Pakistan, whether a statements in Washington. protest note has been sent. SHRI P. GANGADEB: In the statemel]! SHRI SWARAN SINGH: Yes, Sir, made by the hon. Minister, the word 'res- train!' has been used. May I know what the Reimbanement of Medical Expenses lneutred worJ 'restraint' means. when we are already by C'IlDtra/ Go,ernment Employees having enough restraint by acconunodating over 20 lakh refugees from Bangia Desh? ·764. SHRI B. K. DASCHOUDHURY: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FA- AN HON. MEMBER: Much more. MILY PLANNING be pleased to stale: SHRI SWARAN SINGH: This is preci- (a) whether restriction regarding Ihe re- lOlly the rea&on why we strongly object to this imbursement of expenses incurred by Central 'mtralnt' beins addressed to us. That is why Government employees for the 'treatment of II 12 tilcia' f .... _'-' Ia hlJllliliUa .. Ileal ..'-re there are .. heapiml facititioa availa- relaxed by Government; aDd ble. if the Central (Jo.,ornment employeea (b) if so. to what extent and its effect on and their family members are treated by Government exchequer? priva«: medical practitioners. will their medical expenses be reimbursed by the THE MrNtSTER Of' STATE IN THE Government. whatever may be the rule 7 MINISTRY OF HEALTH ANt> FAMTLY PLANNtNG ('SHIU D. P. CHATTOPADH- SHRI D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA: It YAYA}: (a) and (b). Families of Central will be reimbursed. Government servants are entitled to medical attendance and/or treatment. which includes SHRI A. P. SHARMA: What is the total hospital treatment. as defined" in the Central number of persons taking advantage of this Services (Medical Attendance) Rules. 1944. S¥toIrl ... what is tbe total amount spent and the orders issued threunder. on the scale ever, yo., on this? and conditions allowed to the Central Govern- ment servant himself. As the Central Govern- MR. SPEAKER: This is outside the ment servant and members of his family are !'Cope of the main question. at par in so far as the reimbursement of medical expenses under Central Services SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA: Is the (Medical Attendance) Rules. 1944 and orders Minister aware of the fact that there has are concerned. the question of relaxation of been a lot of abuse of this proce.... oi reim- any restriction in respect of families alld the bursement of money by the Gomment 7 effect on the Government exchequet tberefor does no 'rise. SHRI D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA: About the general abuse. we otre not aware. SHRl B. K. IDASCHOWDHURY: in If specific cases are brought to our notice. view of the Minisller's statcu.nt that the we will look into them. IIlVePDment 5erwnt and members of his family are at JI&I'. may J know whether there SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Has the is any paf'tieulac defiftitiQn of tile word Government taken a final decision to extend 'lteapMal' in ttlis rqanI. that is to say, the CG HS scheme to other cities like Delhi? whetfler they shouN be treated in hospitals There was a proposal by the Pay Commission as approved ." the OevernlMllt of Iftdia or to this effect. which was under considera- whether they can be treated in privato hos- tion. pitals not approved by the Government of lndia? SHRl D. P. CHATTAPADHYAYA: The sclleme is being considered for extensioD SHRI D. P. CHATTOPADHAYAYA: to lOme other cities. But a final decision has Where there are hospitals available. they not yet been taken in that re.... are eJHltled. to ., tIaeft for trulmcDt. If not. they can go to any other centres available Parebue nf atrIa's "locIustry HOUIC" on the thero spcM. Ia CaIeatta by Go1'Cl'lllMllt SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHtJRY: To -765. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOStJ: Will make it clearer. in the case of Central Govern- the Minister of DEFENCE be pl~5Cd to ment employees .,.ki.,. in· ilBDrior areas sta«:: of the country where there are no hospital IiMliliIiea ...... if "'->' a1'll..... lIr (a) whether his Ministry have finalised private IIIIIIIM:MpC8IIIIiIicIneni will dleiFmedi- a deal with the Birla Brothers for purchase cal expenses be reimbursed 7 of the latter's nineteen storeyed building known as "Industry Housc" at 19 Camac SHill D. t. CHAITOPADHYAYA: J Street. Calcutta; think it will be done accordinl to the 1'11108 (b) the purpose for which the building il existing in 1944 and modified thereafter. beinl purchased; SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: k is (III) wben the said "Industry House" WIll IIOt a.ar. My ~peci& question is. ia pla,* Cl)lllltructed; at wilat cost it was \:ODstrutQd 13 ASADltA 7, 1893 (SAKA) 14 and the total carpet area of the buildins ; and question will take all relevant facts into (d) the price at which the building is being consideration before it determines the prices purchased by his Ministry 7 of the building. THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: Is it not I JAGJIWAN RAM): (a) No, Sir. desirable for government as a precautionary measure to make its policy clear even to the (b) The possibility of acquiring a single specialised committee of experts because in suitable building to accommodate ~he entire this case the purchase contemplated is a Headquarters of the Directorate General property belonging to a notorious set up 7 of Ordnance Factories is under consideration That is why certain precautions suggested in view of: by the hon. Member has got also to be borne' (i) unsatisfactory condition from the in mind. What is government's reaction hygienic point of view of accommo- to it 7 dation at 6, Esplanade East, one of the buildings in which a portion of SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: Is it the office is located; notorious or famous? (ii) problems of communication that arise due to Headquarters being MR. SPEAKER: Creating conditions to accommodated in more than one ,bri.. down the value of the property! building; SHRI JAGJIWAN RAM: It is quite (iii) high rent that 'is being paid for the obvious that the committee of experts will present accommodation; and go into what will be the price of the land and (iv) need for having greater space. if a building of that size is constructed what The feasibility of the purchase of the will be the cost and what is the price that "Industry House" is one of the alternatives may he offered. I am sure the committee under consideration of the Government. of experts will go into all relevant factors before coming to a decision. (c) It is not known when the said "Industry House" was construrted and at what cost. The total carpet area is 1,36,000 sq. ft. ap- .n 11'\'0 q,\"o .mi: 3T6lf1lf ~, proximately. ~ W iI; ""Tf if ~ ~ ~ fit; (d) Does not arisc. ~ '1ft" ~ qr "I"'~I" SHRI JAGJIWAN RAM: If it is finally SHRI JAGJIWAN RAM: Is it not rather decided that this building will be purchased a lellal question 7 As far as I know, when we naturally a committee of experts will go into acquire property. . the price of the building. MR. SPEAKER: It is just a sugaestion. SHRI JYOTlRMOY BOSU: When the Minister finalises the purchase of this build- Evacuation of Civilians from Western BangIa ing will he keep in mind that in that area of Desh Border by Pakistan Calcutta the cost of property has gone down even to the extent of 50 per cent of the value .769. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: Will three years ago 7 the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: SHRI JAGJIW AN RAM: I think the experts committee which will gO into that (a) whether ,the allention of Go:vemment IS Oral hnHn JUNB 28. 19'1 Oral AIU_' has been drawn to the fact that Pakistan has ~~~~~~~;:;Il ordered immediate evacuation of all civilian population living along the Western Bangia ~n:~~n: ~ ttft ~ ~ Desh border with India; and m~iRt~ffiltlIT~ ~~ ~ (b) if so, whether these are war prepara- ~ ~ ~ fiI; fuflf<; ~ ..n- ~ tions tactics? ~~~lIT~~ ~a:? THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIWAN RAM): (a) and (b). Govern- "'"~~: ~~ ment have seen reports to this effect. A large ..n-~~~!fiT~ ~~1 ~I number of the East Bengalis who have taken temporary refuge in India originate from the ~fufu:r~ ~ n:~ ~ East Bengal's border districts. It is obvious am::a;A; ~ ~ SAil"{ ttft ~ ttft that·Paleistan Government has been carrying out a ruthless policy of depopulating these ~""'~I areas. Government have taken into account SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: Sir, the Security implications of this policy. in view of the hon. Minister's statement that all arrangements have been made for the SHRl NIHAR LASKAR: May I know security of our own people I would like to whether it is a fact that the Pakistan army draw the attention of the Government and of has moved right up to our eastern border? the hon. Minister that in the North Bengal If so, what is our government doing to coun- districts of Cooch Bihar and West Dinajpur teract the aggressive activities of the Pakis- the continuous shelling by Pakistan Army tan Army? has compelled the border people to start evacution from their homes and hearths and SHRI JAGJIWAN RAM: The policy about 20,000 people have left their places. of the Pakistan Government has been such May I know what security arrangements that the border area adjoining us has been have been made to protect these Indian practically vacated of Hindus and Muslims. citizens? As the House is aware, more than six million people have come to our country. So, prac- SHRI JAGJlWAN RAM: Sir, I have tically that area has been evacuated of popu- returned only last night from some of the lation as a deliberate policy. We have made border areas and I would advise the hon. the necessary sucurity arrangements on our Member to visit and see the conditions for border to take care of any contingency that himself. If the Pakistan Army in their may arise. foolishness want to waste large quantities of ammunition we cannot help them. SHRT NIHAR LASKAR: As I have said earlier, Pakistan army has moved right Diplomatic Passports Granted to Ex-Rulers to our border and only Border Security of lDdIan States Force is stationed on our border. In view of the present developments, is it enough -770. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR: Will to have only our Border Security Force to the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be counter act Pakistani aggression, if at all pleased to state: it comes? (a) whether the ex-Rulers of Indian States SHRI JAGJIWAN RAM: This question are still enjoying the privilege of diplomatic has been raised in the House on more than passports; and one occasion and I have said that the (b) whether Government propose to with- Border Security Force is strong enough to draw these passports and replace them by take care of the Pakistan Army. ordinary passports? "'" lIJm:o ~To .. : ~~, tt THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS If?Jft $ ~ ~ ;;rt;RT ~ ~ fiI; (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) 1fT11I;m;r ilr m"{ ~ ayq;ft ~ ~ The ex-Rulers of Indian States do not enjoy 17 ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAKA) Oral A/UJHr8 18 the privilege of diplomatic passports. Some SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: It is never of them are, from time to time, issued dip- done. lomatic passports in accordance with the provisions. of the Act of the Rules and Views or Mr. Pierre M. Gallols Re: Deve. generally on the recommendation of the JO)IIDcut or Atomle Armaments by india Ministry of Home Affairs. (b) The Government examines each re- + quest on merits and it is not necessary to -771. MAHARAJA MARTAND SINGH: withdraw such passports by revising indivi- DR. KARNI SINGH: dual decisions taken in these cases. Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: -n m'I-mf ~ : ~ ~, ~ ~ ~ ;;rr;r;n' ~ ~ f.I; IfIfr ~ (a) whether Government's attention has f.s'<114f.::'tl ~ ~ ~ ~ been drawn to the views recently expressed rn by Mr. Pierre M. Gallois, a retired French 'fl1f ~~~qmani~? General and an expert on nuclear weapons, advocating that India should develop its -n ~ ~: ~~ 1fiTt '1ft own atomic armaments to safeguard its interests; and ~~ani~1 (b) if so, the reaction of Government thereto? -n~~: mit i!lQm: ~ ~ ~ f.I; ~.~ 'til ~ THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI vn JAGJlWAN RAM): (a) Government have ~ f.t;lrr tt1IT am: m ;;rfu; f.;r;r seen a newspaper report regarding the views ~atT 'til !fTritt ~ iTt!; ~ ;;rfu; expressed by Mr. Pierre M. Gallois. ~ W£'IIT ani\' ~ .... (b) Government's policy on the develop- ment of nuclear weapons has been explained MR. SPEAKER: This is not relevant. to the House in the reply given to Unstarred SHRI INDER J. MALHOTRA: May I Question No. 1417 on the 7th June, 1971. know .hat during the last two years which are those rulers who have been granted this MAHARAJA MARTAND SINGH: I displomatic passport? should like to know from the hon. Minister of Defence if a study has been made of the SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH: I have report of Mr. Gallois in the context of the not got the information at the moment. rapid expansion and progress of China in the field of nuclear weaponry? SHRI S. M: BANERJEE: I would like to know from the hon. Minister whether he SHRI JAGJIWAN RAM: I cannot say is aware that taking advantage of this dip- definitely but, I think, the Atomic Energy lomatic passport or any privilege granted to Commission will go into that question. them, whatever they bring from the foreign country. the customs authorities do not open MAHARAJA MARTAND SINGH: Might that and touch that and it is cleared without I know what steps precisely the Government any check. If it is true what steps Govern- has in mind to counterbalance this threat of ment intend to take to see that princes do not nuclear weaponry from China? smuggle in things from abroad. SHRI JAGJIWAN RAM: I do not think SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH: The such a question can be answered adequately diplom~tic passport to any individual in this during question time. 1 he matter has been country does not give him any immunity discussed in the house and during Budget from custom duty etc. although they are discussion it can be discussed. The policy giving special treatment outside. When they of the Government of India has been expl- come back to our country they are subjected ained that it is our objective to develop to the local law as anybody else, nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. 19 O,al AnWiefl JUNE 28, 1971 20 Handling Over the Work of Exploradon of SHRI P. C. SETHI: In two or three wells 011 in Punjab, U.P. and Bibar to ItailaD quite deep drilling was tried in these areas Firm and more than 5,000 metres were drilled, but the areas were not found to contain oil; -772. SHRI D. K. PANDA: Will the therefore, they were abandoned. Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- CALS be pleased to state: SHRI D. K. PANDA: That was not my question. My question was, what arrange- (a) whether drilling of wolls for explora- ments have been made or whether there is tion of crude oil in Punjab, U.l'. and Bihar any plan to bring rigs for drilling purposes. was made over to an Italian firm recently; We are now depending upon (oreign com- and panies. . . (b) if so, the reasons therefor? SHRI P. C. SETHI: We are not depend- ing on foreign companies. It was only in THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 1962-63 that this contract was given. Since MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND then, no contract has been given. As far as CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR SINGH): deep drilling in this area is concerned, it (a) No such action was taken recently. The has been tried and this area was found 10 be services of an Italian firm were used by the dry. Oil and Natural Gas Commission for drilling very deep exploration wells in Bihar and U.P. SHRI D. N. TIWARY: After three years under a contract concluded on 17-12-1962, exploration in Bihar and UP., may I know and in Punjlb und!r a contract concluded what has been experience there, .... hether some on 13-5-1963. Under these contracts drilling oil has been found or whether it has been was carried out during the period 19-10-1963 given up for good or there is any possibility to 22-5-1965 in Bihar and U.P., and during of exploring il again? the period 17-10-1964 to 30-9-1966 in Punjab. (b) The Commission did not then possess SHRI P. C. SETHI: According to the drilling rigs capable of drilling wells to the first contract, the drilling was done at Ruxaul large depths as req uired, nor did the per- and Moh and in 1963-64 and according to sonnel of the Commission possess the know- the second contract at Januri and Bahl. how and experience of such deep drillin&. Aftef' these drilIiDtI ill &he _ of" Bihar, SHRI D. X:. PANDA: The Oil and U.P. and Punjab, as I have pointed out, Natural Gas Commission had made certain these did not prove fruitful and had to be recommendations in the past to provide them abandoned. with some m'Jre power so that they could have technical know-how and scientific SHRI D. D. DESAI: Would the hon. cadres so as to hwe drilling capacity for the Minister be pleased 10 state the extent of exploration of crude oil. In view of this has financial allocation for exploratory areas the suggestion b~en carried out by the Govern- as againsl financial allocation for proved ment since 1962; if not, what has been the areas? reason for so much delay and for depending upon only the foreign companies even for MR. SPEAKER: I am sorry. It cannot exploration? arise out of this. This Question relates to handling over the work to an Italian firm. THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS (SHRI P. C. SETHI): As far as in-shore drilling is concerned, the SHRI D. D. DESAI: Only financial ONGC is carrying out the entire drilling allocation for the Italian firm. operations itself. Of Course, for offshore drilling we are having foreign contracts still. SHRI P. C. SETHI: If he is asking only for this contract, then I may point out that SHRI D. K. PANDA: Has the Govern- the invoices of work and services totalled up- ment, at least now, made any plan to bring to 24,90,053 dollars plus Rs. 68 lakhs for the drilling machines for exploration of wells first contract in Bihar and V.P. and 25 lakh in these States and throughout India 7 dollars plus RlI. 66 lakhs for Punjab. 21 Oral An,ww3 ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAKA) Sbiftlng of Provisioning Cell of Dlreetorate ~ '""~ ~ or Stares rrom New Delhi to Bombay IIfI' ieilf.,Qf,'T rm 73 tt"o tt"o n m; ~"""'" ., -778. SHRI RAJA KULKARNI: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to IA11IT '"'" state: -779. -n,~ .. ~: rm (a) whether the Naval Helll!quarters at ~IRT ~T ~ amit ;tt lilIT rn fit; : D~lhi have decided to shift the Provisioning Cell of the Directorate of Stores from New (!ti) rm ~ ~ ;tt Delhi to Bombay; m- Ifi1'1t <>il1f,,4F<'1 ~!tiT ~ ~ 73 (b) if so, whether the decision is based upon the recommendations of an indepen- ~o ~o €'if; m ~ 1iI'fI'it it; ft;rif dent expert investigation; ~tt!ti~ 38~~Tt ~ (c) how many Class III and IV employees IFf m ~ ~T ~i would be affected if the Provisioning Cell is shifted to Bombay; ('if) If4T ~ it ~ I!iTso (d) in case the same Cdl is shifted, whether ~ 0Tfipr -um ~ ~'AiR lti1: ft:I'm ~; the Naval Headquarters has also decided to transfer employees working in the Cell at ('T) ~ ~ it f.Rr;ft Tit ~ Delhi to Bombay; and ~ ~ ~ ~ IR rt vft"; (e) whether Naval Headquarters has taken into confidence the Indian Navy Civil Staff (Ilf) ~ it ~ ~ I!il aR iFIi Association recognised by the Ministry on ~~rot-t~~~t all questions involved in the decision of ~~~~m~~~; shifting? ("I:) rm q MR. SPEAKER: You are framing your Statement question out of UNo" and "Does not arise." (a) No order for manufacture of Anti- SHRI RAJA KULKARNI: May I know Tank Rifle Grenade 73 mm has been placed whether the proposal is under consideration on MIs Bycarm Engineering Industries (P) and wh~ther they have decided not to shift. Ltd., Ballabgarh. A case for placement of order on Mis Pearl Cycle Industries is still SHRI JAGJlWAN RAM: As the answer under consideration and no final decision stands, it docs not say it is under considera- has yet been taken. tion. (b) No, Sir. SHRI RAJA KULKARNI: For how (c) Mis Bycarm Engineering Company long? was formed in March 1970. The authorised capital is Rs. 25 lakhs and the subscribed MR. SPEAKER: So long as th:re is "No", capital is reported to be Rs, 200/-, JUNE 28. 1971 Oral Answers 24 (d) One older has been placed on this ~ ~'Rq: 3111f ~~ company. The number of shareholders is tm two. Number of employees is nil. However, itw~t~mf~~~ the company is using the man-power and ~ ~Ttl "'~~f.!;~~ equipment of Mis Pearl Cycle Industrics. who are under the same management. ~ ~~ if~lIi\ ~lIi1 ~ l!i'\"~it~;:IT~~ ~ani"(~ (e) Mis Pearl Cycle Industries are not I merged with Mis Bycarm Engineering In- t ~ am it ;;rf;t ~t f.!; ~? dustries (P) Ltd. These firms arc associate The questioner shoilid be very cautious about concerns under the same management. his questions. He should not spcnk ill of any (0 Two cases are reported to have been firm wolhoul any basis. filed against Mis Pearl Cycle Industries. These are pending trial in the court. .n ~ """ ~~: ~ IIili ~~tl ~~~O-~~ efto I"" ... ~ : ~ ~ "fA"ilT ~tm~tft;rifl ~ttl~ lIl1" ~ i f.!; ~-"'TlT ~ !f;T am it ~ if ~) ¢<'(if ~ ~ ~ ~ 'flIT m: ~ fiRr ~ 1 ~ 38 ~ !f;T am lIi1 ~ tf.!; ~ ~ ~ ;r.r f.!; ~ it ~ it if ~ lIiT1f fiRr ~ ~ t am: ~ IIili lIiT1f ~ t, ~. am:~~ ~ 200~o ~ If>'T ~~~m ~'Ii IRS be pleased to state ': SHRI SU~ENDRA PAL SINGH: There were delegation from a large number of coun- (a) whether a World Assembly for Peace tries. There were more than 70 or 80 of them. was held at Budapest from May 13th to 16th, They were private delegations; they were not at which representativ~s of 54 countries and representing the Government of the country. several international organisations signed an Appeal calling of solidarity with the people DR. RANEN SEN: Among these emis- of Blngla D~sh and condemning the atrocities saries there were many important individuals of the Pakistan military regime; from Arab countries. He will find this if he (b) whether the signatories to the Appeal sees those signatures. Would the Government include a large number of prominent public try to contact those personalities who had men, eminent scientists, parliamentarians, signed in that document to come to India to artists, etc.; and visit the Border States and see the situation with their own eyes? (c) if so, wether Government have consi- dered inviting some of them ot visit the border SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH: There areas of India to sec things for themselves? were 3 or 4 individuals from Syria, so far as I can make out, who signed this appeal. Re- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE garding the other part, I have already replied MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS to that. (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. At the Assembly of the ConversIon of O. & N. G. C. into an World Peace Council held in Budapest from oU Company May 13-16, 1971, such an Appeal was signed Integrated by delegates from 57 countries and various -773. PROF. MADU DANDAVATE: organisations and by individuals; these Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND included many eminent personalities. CHEMICALS be pleased to state: (c) The matter is under consideration. (a) whether Governmeot have received a SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: Tn view letter/memorandum from the Oil and Natural of the fact that such a statement was signed Gas Commission Employees Mazdoor Sabha by delegltions of 54 countries including very demanding that Oil and Natural Gas Commis- prominent personalities. I would like to know sion be converted into an integrated oil company from the Government whether early decision with exploration, production, refining and would be taken in this matter to invite some marketing functions in respect of crude and of them to visit India. natural gas produced by it; SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH: I have (b) if so, whether Government have consi- already said this in my main reply that this dered this suggestion; and matter is being considered and we will try (c) if not, whether Government propose to finalise it as quickly as possible. to amend the Oil and Natural Gas Commission Act 1959 to make the provisions under which SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: I would these functions could be undertaken and remove like to know why there is delay: What are obstacles ? the reasons for it? I would like to know whether they have approached the World THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Peace Council to send some of those promi- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHE- nent men to visit India. MICALS (SHRI DALBIR SINGH): (a) and (b). A statement is laid on the Table. SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH: I have (c) No, Sir. already said thH this matter is being consi- dJred and decision will be taken as early as Statement possible. (a) Yes, Sir. DR. MAHlPATRAY MEHTA: Were th~re any Arab countries therein among the (b) In context of the vast scope for further siinatories 1 expansion of activities for discovery of oil and 2' Oral .4nswtri SUNs 28, 1971 Oral Answers 28 gas in India. it is considered that the ONGC true that €xpert opinion on this has not been should be maintained as an organisation solely taken into account by Government 7 devoted to these activities, and unfettered with functions of a purely commercial nature relat- SHRI P. C. SETHI: Mostly this is a ing to refining and sale of petroleum products. matter of administration. As far as the The Commission has a special responsibility workers arc concerned, we are taking their in the mltter of exploring and exploiting, demand into consideration. They raised the in the quickest possible time, the hydro-carbon demand from this point of view that Indian potentialities of the country. This responsibi- Oil people are getting about 18 per cent lity has further become significant in view of bonus while ONGC people are gelting only the increasing demand for crude oil in the coun- 10 per cent. try and the steep rise in prices of imported crude oil. The fact that the Commission has no commercial operation like refining and SHRI RAJA KULKARNI: In view of marketing to cushion and absorb its explora- the low profitability of ONGC when another tion losses ought not to put it at a disadvantage organisation like Oil India working nearby because it is Government's responsibility, in Assam has a profitability, is there any under ONGC Act, 1959, to find the necessary proposal under consideration to split up resources for the Commission's activities. ONGC into regional organisations? (c) No, Sir. SHRI P. C. SETHI: Not at the moment. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Is it true that a memorandum was submitted and Drinking Water Supply in Urban and Rural there was a lot of discussion regarding the sug- Areas gcstion that has already been made and some expert advice has also been put forward before *774. SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: Will Government, but in spite of that no concrete the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY steps are being taken ? PLANNING be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM AND (a) the present percentage of India's urban' CHEMICALS (SHRI P. C. SETHI): Govern- and rural population that has no facilities for ment has considered this matter many times and the supply of drinking water; have come to the conclusion that the ONGC (b) whether there was any improvement in has got a very big responsibility of survey the position during the Gandhi Centenary and exploration of oil in this country and Year, and if so, to what extent; and therefore it should not be burdened with the (c) the time target, if any, for provision of work being done by Oil India. But as far as the workers' demand is concerned, that is drinking water facilities for all the citizens always being taken into consideration. That of India? is why their Ex-gratia Payment was raised from 5 per cent to 10 per cent over four years. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING (SHRI D. P. CHATTOPA- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: As for DHYA Y A): (a) to (c). A statement is laid the first part, no specific answer is forthcoming. on the Table of the Sabha. SHRI P. C. SETHI: I said that as far as the ONGC is concerned, it should mainly be Stalement responsible for exploring and exploiting and (a) According to available estimates about hydrocarbon potentialities of the country. From that point of view, the refining and 25% of urban population based on 1961 marketing part of the crude oil will have to be census has yet to be provided with piped left with Indian Oil Corporation ONGC should water supply facilities. devote itself mo'e to surve.', exploration and In rural areas there is still 23 % of popula- exploitation work. tion (1961 census) in fClrcity and difficult areas which needs the facilities for protected PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: It is drinking water supply. Orat Arr.swni ASADHA 7, iS93 (SAKA) 30 (b) There was improvement in water supply during the Gandhi Centenary year in this facilities in the country durin. the Gandhi direction and we have to put up with this Centenary Year. »uring ihc 'year J9ti8-69 kind of position 7 about Rs. 14.75 crores were spent. On urban water supply and sewerage schemes and SHRI D. P. CHATIOPADHYAYA: about Rs. S. 80 crores were spent for rural We are aware of the size ofthe problem, but water supply schemes. During the year it is ultimately a question of availability of 1969-70, tho money spent on urban water reSOliilCes that ,,_ tfmlted 'ollr achievement. supply and sanitation schemes exceeded We h~ to do 1iOlB-.i1Ia more. Rs. 32 erores and an expenditure of Rs. 19.12 crores was made on rural water supply schemes. (c) It is broadly estimated that a sum of WRITIEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Rs. 1000 croces will be required for providing water supply and sewerage facilities in the New IIJtra·ilJferille Fa.. y ...... Jna Dmce urban areas and that a sum of about Rs. 730 crores would be needed for providing ·752. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN: piped water supply in scarcity and difficult SHRIRAMCHANDRAN rural areas and such areas where existing KADANNAPPALLl : arranacments are inadequate. During the SHRI DEVINDER SINGH Fourth Five Year Plan, a provision of Rs. 'GARCHA: 4()J.49 crores has been made under the National Water Supply and Sanitation Pro- gramme which includes urban water supply Will the Minister of HEALTH AND and sewerage and rural water supply schemes. FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state: Although the programme is now in the State (a) whether a new intra-uterine contracep- sector, the Central Government is makin. all tive device has been under trial in India in efforts to help the States in tackling the pro- place of the loop; blem. Besides giving financial assistance in the normal course, a Centrally sponsored (b) whether the device developed abroad scheme is also operating for identifying the has underaone extensive Ilials there; difficult and scarcity areas and for prepara- (c) what are the findinas on the foreign tion of suitable schemes for those areas. The as well as Indian trials; and Central Government has also asked the State (d) what are its advantages over the loop 7 Go'ernments to accord high priority to the rural water supply schemes and outlays for rural water supply are also being earmarked. THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND The Central Government is also procuring HOU6ING AND HEALTH...AND FAMI- fast hard rock drilling rigs from international LY PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DlKSI'II1'): (a) A new intra-uterine con- agencies and supplying to the States for U solving the problem in hard rock/soil for- trceptive device, kno1Vn as the "Copper T , has recently been put on trial in the country. mulations. All efforts are being made to provide drinking water facilities to all the (b) The ntw device has been on trial for citizens in the country but it is not po!sible about a year In the Uniled States, Chile ead to indicate any definite time limit by which Iran. this target would be achieved because it (g) On the ~s of the preliminary findings depends largely on the availability of re- in foreign' countries the new device is reported sources. to be safer 'and more alXleptabie. Trials in ~ndia have jlllt started and results will be SHRI H. N. MUKERJBE: It does seem available after sometime. thai in spile of tbe Gandhi Centenary baving (d) The trials in fOleisn 'countries have been celebrated with a lot of eclat, a very indicated the following adVantages of the large proportion of our rural population as t1evice:- well as of our cities is still without facilities of potable water. Why is it that no very (i) Th'e pregnancy ratc with this device special effort hal apparently been made even is nllgliaible. jj WrltWI A~r.f JUNE 28, 19'1 (ii) The continuation rate of the new ~ IIiT ~ IIiT ~ ~ device is very high. am: IIiTt t~it~anq'ftl (iii) The incidence of undesirable side- effects and bleeding is reported to U. S. A. FllllUlCial Aid for Ortboj)lleclic be low. In DeIhl and Madras fri" .. ~~"~m~ • 754. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- .. THAM: Will the Minister of HEALTH ~ 1fI'f ~ QlNsWW' 1tIl q..,., '"'" AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state: 753. '" IImf tqm ~ : IPfr ~ ~ ifflR II\'T ~ fit; : (a) whether the U.S. Government have ..n rn agreed to give financial aid for the Ortho- paedic Centres in Delhi and Madras; ~ ~ '~ (IF) IPfr IIiT (b) if so, the nature and extent of aid to 1f'lClfeel'i ~~ ~, ~' UU be provided; and sr I-.lng of Press Notes by Higb Commissioner ·766. SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: Will the of PaklstaD Re: Bllnala Desh Trouble Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- CALS be pleased to slate: • 761. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- JHUNWALA: Will the Minister of EX- (a) the particulars regarding the share of TERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: production by the Foreign Firms and the share of Public Sector plants in total value (a) whether the Pakistan High Commission of drugs during 1969-70; and in India has been issuing press notes to the newspapers to propagate that trouble in (b) whether there is any plan under Govern- Bangia Desh was created by India; ment's consideration to reduce the fOleign domination in this vital sector? (b) whether some Urdu journals have given wide publicity to such press notes; THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM AND (c) if so, whether Government imposed CHEMICALS (SHRI P. C. SETHI) (a) The any censorship on the publicity material public sector plants and foreign firms (i.e. now being issued by the Pakistan High firms having foreign equity exceeding 50%) Commission in India; and accounted for about 6 % and 45 % respectively of the total drug production during (d) if not, the reasons therefor? 1969-70; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) Yes, Sir. The measures adopted broadly MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS are: (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) to (d). No Press Notes of this character have (i) progressive reduction of foreign come to the notice of the Government. equity participation with corres- Further enquiries are being made. If and when ponding increase of Indian sharc- any new facts come to light in this context, holding in the firms concerned: appropriate action will be taken. (Ii) non-issueance generally of licence for producing formulations, except Esfa ...... of a Plant for Convenlon of those of a sophisticated nature or Nataral Gas Into liquid Petroleum Gas where the formulation capacity is linked with the production of bulk .763. SHRI S. M. KRISHNA: Will the drugs; and Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- CALS be pleased to state: (iii) imposition of appropriate export obligation~ as a condition precedent (a) whether Government have approved the to eXPIIP~iPn of capacit)', Wrlu ___• 35 JUNE 28. 197J 36 N. C. C. C...... T ....torl8l M.y in India, awaiting British Government's C...u.ioa to E-aacy o-mhwiDMd permission for entry into Britain; Ofrleen (b) whether some of them have been waiting for more than three years; • 767. SHRI P. K. 050: Will the Minis- ter of DEFENCE be pleased to state: (1:) whether Government of India have taken up their case with the British Govern- (a) whether the National Cadet Corps ment; and Commission and Territorial Army Com- (d) if so, British Government's attitude In mission granted to Emergency Commissioned the matter? Officers are purely temporary Jobs; (b) if so, whether 494 Emergency Com- THE DEPUlY MINISTER IN THE missioned Officers granted National Cadet MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Corps Commission will be again rendered (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) and jobless; and (b) Procedures of free entry into India are available for Commonwealth nations from (c) if so, what action Government propose East Africa generally, except for British pass- to take in order to avoid such a situation? port holders of Indian origin from Kenya in respect of whom a visa system for entry THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI Ino India was introduced in March, 1968. JAOJIWAN RAM): (a) to (c). Ordinarily As lome may have come in under the free Regular officers from the three Services man entry procedures no firm estimates can be the posts in the National Cadet Corps. Due given. to acute shortaac of Reualar Officers, a number of ex-Emel'lCncy Commissioned (c) and (d). The Government of India have Officers have been scanted commissions in taken every opportunity to impress on the the NCC on a temporary basis. Their tenure U. K. Government that Asian British pass- is prescribed as two years, extendable by one port holders from East Africa are solely their year at a time for so long as their services are responsibility, and that they must be allowed required. There are at present 596 ex-ECOs unconditional entry into Britain. holding NCC commissions. As the present shortage of Regular Officers in the three Recently, the British Government have Services is likely to persist for some years, announced the doubling of the quotas for there is no risk of these ex·ECOs holding NeC entry into British of East African British Commissions being retrenched in the near Asians from 1500 to 3,000 a year with an future. additional I 500 extra vouchers for the period June to December, 1971. As far as the Territorial Army is concerned, 82 ex-ECOs have been granted T.A. Com- The Government of India had also missions so far. The Territorial Army offers taken up with the U.K. Government the only part time employment for about two special hardship that is involved for persons months in a year to persons who already have who came to India for studies, but are finding civil avocations. Such of those ex-ECOs it difficult, because they are now over 16, to granted T.A. Commissions who have not obtain permits to join their parents who have yet obtained regular civil employment will since milrated to U. K. from East Africa. continue to be assi~ted by the Resettlement The Government of U. K. have indicated organisation to obtain civil employment. that they would consider such cases sympa- thetically. East Africans of AsIan OriAln In India Awaiting P_I.mon for Entry Into Britain Refusal of PermIssloa tn p@lms (II Visit Oera Sablb In L8hor~ .'''. • 768. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be • 775. SHRI R. R. SINGH OEO: Will pleased to state: the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (a) whether there are more than 2,000 East Aft ., r s of Asian origin mostly students. (a) whether the Sikh PIlgrim. wantiJlg to 37 ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAKA) Wrlttln AIIIWfrs 38 visit holy shrine of Dera Sahib in Lahore Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: have been refused permission by the Pakis- tan authorities; (a) whether there was proposal to cons- (b) whether Government have taleen up truct a Marine/Diesel Ensine Factory at this issue with the Paleistan authorities; and Ennore. Tamil Nadu with Japanese colla- boration; (c) if so, the reaction of Pakistan autho- rities thereto? (b) whether the site was also selected and approved by both the Central and the State Government; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (c) if 50, the progress 50 far made in this (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) regard? No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (b) and (c). Do not arise. JAGJIWAN RAM): (a) and (b). In 1962, it was proposed to set up a Marine Diesel Houslll& Schemes for CeDtral Govemmeat Engine factory at Ennore, Tamil Nadu and Employees at Girl Nagar, Cachln a site for this purpose was selected. The foreign collaboration envisaged was with a • 776. SHRI VA Y ALAR RAVI: Will West German firm and not a Japanese ftrm. the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING A Technical Collaboration Agreement for be pleased to state: the licensed manufacture of marine diesel engines was concluded with Messrs. M.A.N. (a) whether the Kerala Government offered of West Germany in October, 1962. 20 acres of land at Giri Nagar at Cochin for the proposed Honsins scheme of the Central 2. According to the original proposal, Government for the Central Government this plant was intended to be a fulfledged employees; manufacturing unit for the marine diesel (b) whether the Kerala Government with- engines. It was, however, subsequently drew the offer later due to the lack of res- found to be necessary to review the scope ponse from the Central Government; and of the project, including its economic viability in the light of different alternatives. Doubts (c) if so, the reasons for the rejection of regardins the suitability of tbe site at Ennore the offer? also arose as a result of soil testing. It was, therefore, decided to further examine the THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND scope or the project as well as the best possible HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY location. On the invitation of the Govern- PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR ment, a team of ensineers from MIs M.A.N., DIKSHIn: (a) The Government has no the collaborators for this project. visited scheme for general pool accommodation for India during June-August 1965 to advise their employees at Cochin and no such offer on the basic manufacturing plan for this was received by the Central Government project and also the location. After taking from the Government of Kerala. It is, how- into consideration various factors, e.g. geo- ever, understood that the Central Services grapllical situation, communication, availa- Welfare Board, Cochin, approached the State bility of labour, investment, and factory Government direct and that they were in- costs, etc. and carrying out a relative assess- formed that the State Government woald ment of the different sites, they recommended assist the Central Government in acquiring first preference to Ranchi and accordingly any land required at eochin for the construc- it was decided to locate the marine diesel tion of quarters for Central Government engine factory at Ranchi. The most important employees. consideration in8uencing this decision is (b) and (c). These questions do not arise. the close proximity of the Marine Diesel Engine plant to Heavy Engineerinll Copora- tion complex who are the main components up of a Marlae Diesel Eqlae Factory s.ttlaa suppliers. at Eaaore, Tamil Nuu (c) The factory building of the Plant at .777. SHRI BHUVARAHAN: WiIllhe Ranchi has been completed. The machinery 39 JUNE 28. 1971 40 and equipment ordered from Germany under THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the West German credit arrangements has MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING also been shipped and is now being pro- (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) The registra- gressively received and installed along with tion was not done categorywise. It is. there- indigenous machinery. Meanwhile. the fore. not possible 10 indicate the number of assembly of medium powered GV engines ex-army personnel who registered themselves has ,already commenced and the first batch under the 'Advance Registration Scheme.' of IWo such engines is expected to be ready (b) There is no programme for allotment of in July, 1971. plots under low income group/middle income &l'0UD by draw of lots in the Safda'riang and Testiag oC I. C. B. M. by ChIDa in tbe IDdIaa the East of Knilash Residential Schemes. Oteen Provision of Senlee FaclUtles In Greater ·780. PROF S. L. SAKSENA: Will the Kailash. Part n. New Delhi Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: 3215. SHRI N. K. SINHA: Will the (a) whether Government have any informa- Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be tion to confirm the Times of India report pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstar- published in its issue dated the 1st June, 1971 red Question No. 806 on the 31 st May. 1971 that China will test fire ICBM into Indian regarding provision of service facilities in Ocean in the near Cuture; Greater Knilash. Part II. New Delhi and (b) whether Government have made any state: assessment of the nuclear capability of China and the threat it conslitutes 10 Indian (a) the action tak~ or proposed to be security; and taken by Government against the coloniser (e) the steps Government propose to take in terms of the agreement entered into by him to meet the threat? for not laying the services in accordance with the approved layout/services plans; and THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (b) when the work is expected to be under- JAGJIWAN RAM): (a) to (c). Govern- taken and completed? ment have no information to confirm the newspaper report. However. Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE are fully aware that recent development in MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING China in the nuclear field have implications (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) and (b). The for our security. These are taken into account coloniser has been allowed an extension of in our policies and plans. one year by the Municipal Corporation to provide the services upto the required AlIotmeat of Plots to MlcIdle Ineome Group standal d. The question of taking any action by Delhi Development Autborlty against him at present does not. therefore. arise. It is expected that he will provide the required services within the extended period. 3214. SHRI N. K. SINHA: Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to refer to the reply Jiven to Starred Resolution of AdTisory CommltCee of D. D. A, Question No. 161 on the 318t May. 1971 ro: (or SlaabiDll Ground Rent on Residential allotment of D. D. A. Plots to middle- Plots in DeIhl income group and state: 3216. SHRI JADEJA: Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING, be pleased (a) the total number of ex-Army personnel to state: who applied for the allotment of fbts in December. 1969; and (a) whether the Advisory Committee of (b) when the next draw for allotment is Delhi Development Authority has forwarded likely to take place in respect of plots in a resolution to the Central Government for Safdarjang and East Kailash CQlonies in New slashing the ground rent 011 residclltilll Delhi? plots; and 41 ASADHA 7, 1a93· (SAKAl 42 (b) if so, the action taken by Government man of3ht May, 1971. a meeting of Muslims, in this reaard? held in Gwalior on 29th May 1971, passed a resolution unanimously urging the Govern- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ment to drive away Pakistan from the un- MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING authorised occupation of a part of Kashmir. (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) No, Sir. The people of so called "Azad Kashmir" (b) Does not arise. were being subjected to untold atrocities by their Pakistani rulers, aod they wanted to Secret Defence Treaty Between India and break the shackless of shivery. They should Ceylon be helped in doing so by the Indian Govern- ment and the Indian people, in particular 3217. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: by Indian Muslims. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (c) Pakistan continues to occupy illegally be pleased to state: a part of the State of Jammu and Kashmir. The Government receives reports from time (a) whether it has come to the notice of to time of dissatisfaction in Pakistan occu- Government that the former Prim" Minister pied Kashmir. However, it is Government's of Ceylon, Mr. Dudley Senanayake has policy to settle the issue arising out of Pakis- alleged a secret treaty between India and tan's forcible and illegal occupation of the Ceylon; and part of Kashmir peacefully through bilateral (b) if so, whether Government have made negotiations. its position clear in this regard? Cost of Plots in Safdarjanll De¥elopment THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Area, New DeIhl MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) In 3219. SHRI JADEJA: Will the Minister the text of a letter published in the Ceylon of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased Press, no such allegations have appeared. to state: (b) Does not arise. (a) the original payments made in acquir- ing land in the Safdarjang Development Area Resolution Passed by Muslim League Blocks A and B. New Delhi by Delhi Deve- about Un-Authorised Occupation flf lopment Authority and the expenditure in- Kashmir by Pakistan curred on its development; (b) the quantum of additional compensa· 3218. SHRI H. M. PA1EL: Will the tion paid to the original land owners on their Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS he appeal to higher competent authority; and pleased to state: (c) the total sale proceeds realised by seil- (a) whether the attention llf Government ing the Plots in the said area to the public? of India has been drawn to a Resolution passed by the Mu,lim League in Gwalior on THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the 30th May. 1971 agitating the Government MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING of India to drive away Pakistanis from the (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) and (b). In unauthorised occupatioo of Azad Kashmir; various residential schemes, lands are ac- quired through awards. These awards are (b) whether their demand is based on in- declared by Land Acquisition Collectors from creased atrocities by Pakistan authorities on time to time. The award consists of various Kashmiris; and khasras. Thus in a scheme there are many (c) if so, the reaction of government of hundred khasras. The awarded amount is India in this regard? also subject to appeals. Such appeals are decided in many years. Thus it is difficult THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE to ascertain all the oriaioal payments made MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS in acquiring land. The cost of development (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) and incurred in respect of Block A, Band C is (b). The Government have seen the Press Rs. 92.32 lakhs upto October 1970. It is not report in the matter. According to the States- possible to segregate· development cost for JUNE 28, 1911 Blocks A and B since this is an integrated (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) and scheme consisting of Blocks A, Band C:' (b). The number of Indian students studying Engineering in colleges in the USA is 5,532. (c) The total sale proceeds realised by seIl- Exact figures of Indian engineers who ale ing the plots in Blocks A and B of the Saf- employed in the USA arc not available. darjang Development Residential Scheme amount to Rs, 118.52 lakhs. Cllaries AlIlllnst Offlc:ers of India 011 Corporation Eastern Region, Calcutta Meeting 8ehreea Reveuue Officers of India and Pakistan 3222. SHRI JYOTlRMOY BOSU: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE- 3220. SHRl R. N. BARMAN: Will the MICALS be pleased to state: Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be plcased to state: (a) whether the Indian Oil Corporation is (a) whether quarterly meeting between the major supplier of Kerosene; Revenue Officers of India and Pakistan for (b) whether in 1968, Eastern region, parti- holding joint inspection of boundary pillars cularly West Bengal, was faced with an acute along the Indo- Pakistan border had not taken shortage of Kerosene; place so rar; (c) whether on the 12th June, 1968, Central (b) whether Pakistan Government has Bureau of Investigation. arrested the Sales adopted delaying tactics in this regard; Mantger, Indian Oil Corporation, Marketing (c) whether Indian Government hIlS urged Division (Kero!lene Department) Under the Pakistan Government for such joint Section 161 of Indian Penal Code; inspection; and (d) whether a few cases were filed against (d) if the answer to part (c) be in the some Indian Oil Corporation agents on affirmative what has been Pakistan's attitude charges of selling Kerosene in the black and if in the negative, what further steps market; Government propose in this connection 1 (e) if the answers to parts (a) to (d) be in the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE affirmative, the details of the charges brought _ MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS against each of the Indian Oil Corporation (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) to Officers, Calcutta; and (d). Meetings for holding joint inspection of (f) the position now in regard to the case, boundary pillars along the Indo-Pakistan brought against the said officers 1 border are supposed to be held bi-annually in some sectors and biennially in others. Such THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM AND meetings, however, have not always been held CHEMICALS (SHRI P. C. SETHI): (a) at regular intervals. The possibility of arrang- Yes Sir. ing such meetings on the India-East Bengal (b) Temporary shortage of kerosene oil border has been negated by recent develop- was reported in 1968 from the Eastern Re- ments in East Bengal. gion particularly in West Bengal because the foreign Oil Companies, particularly IJIItiaa ~ In U. S. A. Esso, withdrew from the Eastern Market. 10C took prompt steps to increase supplies 3221. SHRI GANGA REDDY: Will the and fill up the vacuum. Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) On receipt of a complaint against an 10C Officer, the Central Bureau of Investi- (a) the number of Indian enaineers in gation laid a trap on 12-6-68 and placed under U. S. A. at present; and arrest a Sales Officer of 10C, Calcutta (Not the Sales Manager) on charles of corruption. (b) how many of them are in employment and how many of them have been thrown (d) There had heen several cases from time out of employment in the past six months? to time against Agents under Essential Com- modities Act. Whenever such cases were THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE reported to the 10C, supplies to concerned MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS dealers were suspended. 45 ASADHA 1 , 1893 (SA~A) (e) The CBI filed a charge sheet on 2-6-1969 (c) whether Government will circulate against the concelncd Sales Officer. He was this proposal for eliciting public opinion charged for offences under Sec. 120-B IPC among the persons residing in the States read with section 5 (2)/5(1 )(d) of prc¥entioa falling under the purview of this schemel of Corruption Act 1947 and Sec. 161 IPC, (d) the reaction of the Chief Ministers of and for substantive offences lInder section States \\ho~e areas arc likely to be included 5(2)/5( I )(<1) of Jnvention of Corruption Act. in the National Capita I region; and 1947, 161, IPe and 164 I.P.c. (e) the time by which this scheme will be (f) The case is pending trial. implemented ? aAmI' f1A1 ~ m.n ~ it; SIfWfiml· THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING -""~.~~~ (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) to (e). A propo- sal is under consideration to set up a 3223. '" ~. ~ ~: ~ statutory National Capital Regional Planninll f'mr ~ ~ ormif ;tt !itIT rn fit; : Board consisting of the representatives of the Central Government, the Governments of Uttar Pradesh, Haryana and Rajasthan and ( ~) ~ amn'1J ~ f,;r;;rr f1:m the Union territory of Delhi. The Board will ~~~~~~ifi't ensure the cVoluti"n of;;n integrated regional ~ it flrif arTlf1' 'IT i development plan and finance some of the key projects of the plan. The actual imple- ('if) !1ft ~, aT tfIT~ II fdf'lNoir., mentation of the plan will be the responsibi- lity of the concerned State Governments. if ~ ~ 3f1ICI'T ar"f ij;;:fnr 1if:in:il' it m'f ~ ;tt "" fit; ~ ;ntTT ~ IIiT At this state. it cannot be stated whether ~ it f.tit wq. i\'l1IT3ll it m'f the proposal wiU be circ~ fo~· eJM\i1ll om- public opinit'n. The time to be taken in ~ om- itf.tit ~{t ~i am: finalising and taking a dec_ion on the pro- posal and in implementing it cannot also be ('T) lift ~, ~T ~ ~ iIi~ a-.ed·IIt·thiN~. ~~~? Diet SUlwys of' Working ClaSl fWmT,,~ if ~.Q"t ('" ~ 3225. SHRI M. K. KRISHNAN. Will ~): (~) 27 ~ 1971 ifi't fiAT the Minister of HEALTH ANP RAMILY ~ f,;r;;rr ~ ;tt am: ~ t1;~ srftrtl:rf1f. PLANNING be pleased to state: ~ ~'lft ~ fll'm I (a) whothw th~ !\tleDtioa, of GClVUrnmeftt has been drawn to tho diet sueveys cO(lducted ~~ I ~ amr.trnit~ ('if) by the National Institute of Nutrition focus- ~lIi1f~~[i1 ing the .uten~ion OIl iaadoQuale inlake of calorics of food by the workins class; ('T) ~ ~ :oom I (b) if so, the main findings thereof; and Board to Develop National Capital Region (c) the reaction of Government thereto? 3224. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: THS MINISTER OF STATIO IN. TNQ Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY ING be pleased to state: PLANNING (SHRI D. P. CHATTOPA~ DHYAYA): (a) Yes. (a) whether Government propose to COD- (b) The National Institute of Nutrition stitute a Board to devclop National Capital collected data ott diots of industrial worl(~n region; in 1957-58. The data was analysed with a (b) if so, whether the names of Board view to identify relationship between the members have since been finaliaed; siu: of the family and the nutritive ville ItQI 47 Written A_rs SUNE 28, 1971 Written AllS'wets 4ii the diets. It was found that in families with (\!I") %!fiT 94,70,527.0omilif<;ro; les3 than three children, calorie and protein \;j}ntcnt of the diets were more than in families ~ I m ~ ~ ~ 'T4T ~, If4'tf.f; with morc than three children. Further, it m if *;-1.,.",,,,,,, 'SI1Tfu' ~ it ~ .n- was obsen.:ll that "mung th~ families with more than three children. the diet was inade- am: ~ ~~ if f.:tf~ m iii ~ quate in calories. m~iIi~mft ~~ I %itim: it (c) Taking into account the date collected. ~ ~ W 1ft, ~ ~ ~ fiI;Irr ihe National Nutrition Adviwry Committee \ill ~ I appointed a Sub-Committee on 'Nutritional Requirements o( Working Class Families' ('T) ~ ~ 'fI:1; 'IlTli Ifi1 '{(T in J 962. Tilis Sub-Committee after consider- rn ing ,.II aspects of this problem, submitted its if; ~ ~ fiA;m ~ lmJ ~ Report in 1965 which was forwarded to amfr.irn rn if; f<;ro; ~ cth for the rogular (lfi") fmiT if; ~ 1Tc Ifl: ~ and workch"rgcu swfI l,f C. p, W. D; al1d 01-(1 dJti'l4 ~ ~ 'liT f.:!lriur-m %ifim (d) if not, the naille' of the citks and air- iHU~~~'T4T~~~ ports where the qum teTS arc l11~allt exclusively for the rerular stutI of C. P. W. D.? qf(oll'lf (~) llft~, (If) !flIT ~ ~ if (~) m, 1971 if ~ ~"'li ~~~~~~ lfiTifilf ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f.:rm fif;lrr fit; IIl'V'f 'lhrr ~ i ~~lfil1i'fili ~~ ~ ~.I ( tT) llft ~ li~ qif 1. m~ 2650 ~o } 2. tflA; ~ i5Iffi1' iii ~ ~ ~o 2,27,50,500/- ~ cmr ~~ 13035 II 3. "U'Ii-~ ~-~ 575 II 4. ~~ l1fcff iii ~ tM iii qt;ft 11ft ~ ~ 58 " ~o 1,52,50,900/- 5. ~ Ilini".... Ml ... ~ 600 II 1,20,000/- 6. ~~lfiT~~ 500 " ljo 7,50,000/- 7. l1if.5rI!i '3"1'Iji'(Vf 110 17,75,000/- ljo 4,06,46,400/- Maulve Rural Housing Plan (b) if so, whether larr.e- ie) iaaw far Ibey bave been im~nted? ( ..) Govemment would have liked' Pakis- tan to .keep up to the professions of her re- THE MINlSTER OF STATE IN THE presentative. Unfortunately this is not so, MINJS'ntV OI"""M:>RI('.<; AND HOUSING BS shown by the provocative activities ·of t1!e . ~ .1.K. GUlltAL): '-) to '-). n.e PakistBlJi armed forces on our borders. Government arc at present enpaed in the . fermalation M" a progr8'lllme for assislance to Visit to World Capitals by Foreign Minister ~·Ocwe....-tl to l'roviQc heuBing.lliles RegardIq Inflow of Refugees In India from to landless workers in the rural areas of ae .st Bengal country. The details of the programme are ...wIder CDIIiiduaaigo. 3232. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- JHUNWALA: SHRI S. M. KRISHNA: SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: 32,10. ""~~: ~fQrr Wi'll the Miaister 'Of £XTERNAL 1i"Jft .II'( ~ ~.i'(T rn Ai : AFFAIRS be pleased 10 state: t~) ~~'"'t,~~, (a) whether be visited Itbe Wd>ldo."itals to.appri£e the wcrld powers.about the CQII£e- .~fil4<~ ~ 'Irrnr ~ ~ m quences of refugees inflow in India and the 1tIWftfw ~,8Ilt~ ~ ~1tf genocide ()f Bengalis by the Pakistan Brmy; and i1iilf<4idi ~ ~ \1ft; ~ (b) if so, the names of the countries that (~) ~(pfl~~~ have been visited? II4T ~ ? THE DEPU1Y·MJMUJrER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS ~ '""'"' if~..m ("" ~ (5HRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) Yes, .(~) ~ ~ Sir; theMinisacr \/!sited ·same foreign coun- fq): (-.;) am: .. ;tT tries to apprise them of the BangIa Desh ;;n~ ~am:~~~~*'mr situation. 1fl:~~~1 (b) The USSR, the Federal R.,public of Germany, Frallce, Canada, Ule USA and the Statement of Pakistan Ambassador In U. K. as we11 as the United Nations. W~ l~g 'flido-Pakistan Relations Allotment of Plots in Chandigarb 3231. -8Htt1 D£VINDER (a) whether the attenton of Government (a) whether in the llixth meetiog of the has been 4rawn 10 the reported statement of Home Minister's Advisory Committee, the Pakistan Ambassador in Washington saying Chief Commissioner, Chandigarh had in- that Pakistan did not want war with India, formed that the Administration intended to but be added that such a conflict would com- allot residential plots in the .following pro- plicate effocls to secure a reasonable settle- portion:- meat of the crisis in East Bengal; and 0) 60 per cent to salaried Government (b) if so, the reaction of Government employees, thereto? (ii) 2S per' cent to .aalaricKI employees of other categories, and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (iii) 15 per cent to non-salaried people ('SKt\I'SURID(DRA PAL S'NGH): (a) Yes, and funher he assured t'hBt provi- Sir, sion of cheap houses for Dbobis, S3 ASADHA 7, 1m '(SAL{) Barbers, Cobblers etc. was being CALS be pleased to state: made; and (b) whether Government have taken any (a) the licensed capacity and production action on these lines and If not, the reasons of man-mlUle fibres in the country; therefor? (b) the number of new licences granted in 1970-71, their capacity, the names of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE concerns and locations of the units; and MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (c) the number of applications still pending (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes. and their present position? (b) The composite scheme for sector 37 in Chandigarh. which inter alia contains the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE proposals referred to in part (a) above, has 'MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHE- been examined in consultation with the "MICALS (SHRI DAL'IIIR SINGH): (8) Chandigarh Administration. A final deoision The required information is given below:- in the matter is expeL'ted to be communicated to that Administration shortly. Licensed ,Production S. Item capacity in 1970 No. (in tOlmes) (in tonnes) DewiopJDellt .f M"ras City 1. Viscose Staple Fibre 26,000 63,342 2. Viscose Filament 40,500 36,076 3234. SHRI BHUVARAHAN: Will lIIe 'Yam Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING 'te 3. Polyester Staple 24,400 5,332 pleased to state: Fibre 4, Nylon Textile yam 16540 9,155 (a) whether any survey has been conduct- 5. Nylon Tyre Cord 2,400 60S ed for the development of the metropolitan 6. Rayon Tyre Cord 18,800 17,421 city of Madras on the lines of Calcutta, 7. Acrylic Fibre 4,000 145 Bombay and Delhi; 8. Acetate Yam 5.400 1,959 (b) if so, whether the survey has been (b) The r-equired information is given finished; below- (c) when the same will be implemented; and Two licences were issued in 1970-71 to the (d) lhc amount estimblcLl 10 be spent for undermentioned parties for the manufacture the purp(!lse? of Nylon Filament Yarn. (I) M/s, Guptalon Ltd, Ludhiana, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Punjab for 1000 tonnes/yea·r. MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (SHIH I. K. GUJRAL): (a) and (b). The (2) M/s. Garware Nylons Ltd.:BcJmbay Government of India has not conducted any for expansion from 756 tonnes to survey for the development of the metropoli- 2000 tormes/year. tan oity of Madras, but the Government of ·Tamil Nadu have brought out a Madras Four licences We1'e issued to the u.der- Metropolitan Plan, 1971-1991. mentioned parties for the manufacture of Polyster Staple Fibre:- (c) The Plan is to be implemented in a phased manner by the Government of Tamil (I) M/s Indian Organic Cbcmicals LId., N~cu. during the period from 1971 to 1991. Bombay fQl' the establishment of B 6,'00 toNles/year unit in Tamil (d) An estimate of about Rs. 938 crores has . Nadu. been made in the Plan for the implementa- tion of major urban development schemes (2) M/s Swadeshi l'o19tex Ltd .• GhazlB- recommended in the plan, during 1971-1991. bad (U.P.)--t'or'6100 tonnes/year. (3) MIs. A:nmedabad Mfg. & Calico Liceaces for Man-ma.deFibres Prlnging Co. Ltd .• Ahmedabad for 6100 tonlloslYearunit in Gujarat. . 323S. SH&I S. R. DAM... NI: Wlli the (4) M/s.€h_ical8'<&;Pibre. of India MirliItorof.PE11ROLBUM AND CHEIII- w., '. 1600 tonnes i.e. to raise the capacily FInancial Allllistance to Nepal, Bhutan and to 6100 lonnes/year in their clCisling Slkkim undertaking in Maharashtra. 3237. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA: Will the (c) The number of applications pending Minster of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS re is as follows:- pleased to state: (i) Polypropylene fibre 5 (a) the financial assistance in the shape (ii) Polyster Filament Yarn 10 of loans, grants or help for developrr.cnt (iii) Nylon Ture Cord & Fibres 8 works and projects to be given to the Govern- ments of Nepal, Bhutan and Sikkim in the (iv) Acrylic Fibre 2 financial year 1971-72; (iv) V. A. & PVA Fibre 1 (b) whether such assistance fully satisfies (vi) Polyster Staple Fibre 9 the demands of these Governmenls; and (vii) Nylon Textile Filament Yarn. 130 (c) ifnot, the reasons for the cuts imposed? (viii) Viscose Staple Fibre S THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE AlI these applications are at various stages MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS of consideration. (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (u) NEPAL: A sum of Rs. 11.08 croreS has been Closure of Ameriam Cultural Centres provided in the current year's budget for financial assistance to Nepal, in the shape of outright cash grants, direct execution of 3236. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH: Will the projects by India and technical cooperation. Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be A sum of Rs. 30 lakhs has been provided as pleased 10 state: loan to Nepal during 1971-72 for Industrial Development Schemes already on hand. (a) whether Government had issued some instructions to close down the five American BHUTAN: A provision of Rs. SOO Iakhs Cultural Centres in Trivandrum, Bangalore, as grants for development schemes and Hyderabad, Patna and Lucknow in May, Rs. 72.50 lakhs for loans has been made in 1970; our Budget Estimates for 1971-72. (b) the names of Cultural Centres which SIKK1M: A provision of Rs. 175 lakhs have already been closed down and are likely as grants and Rs. 75 lakhs as loans has been to be closed down in the near fulure; and made in our Budget Estimates for 1971-72. (c) whether Governmenl have any inlen' (b) The quantum of aid to Nepal, Bhutan tion for reopening these Centres and if so, and Sikkim is decided upon by mutual dis- which are those? cussions so as to meet their major demands. These Governments are appreciative of the assistance rendered to them. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (c) The Third Five-Year Plan of Bhutan 1SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) and the Fourth Five-Year Plan of Sikkim YeS, ·Slr. was prepared by Teams of experts led by the Planning Commission of India. The final (b) Only the US and French Embassies allotments arc based on these recommenda- Were maintaining Centres run by them tions. In the case of Nepal, the allotment for directly at plaCeS other than those where the year 1971-72 is for spill-over expenditure they have diplomatic or consultar missions. from the last Plan period 1966-71 and also The US Cultural Centres in Bangalorc, Luck- for the possible execution of a few new now, Patna, ,uyderabad and Trivandrum schenlc~ which are under scrutiny. and the French Centres in Hyderabad and B3ngalore were closed before May ,18, 1970, De-R RLANNING. be pleased to state: Setting Up of an Orcbwlce Factory In Eastern U. P. ~a) whether the Kerala and Calicut Uni, vel'!lities arc tt,!reatened with the de-recogni- 3240. SIlRI RAJDEO SINGH: Will the tipn of their medicul degraes by the Indian Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state Medical Cou~i1; and whethcr Government are considering to es- tablish an ordnance factory somewhere in (b) if SQ. the reaction of Government Eastern U. P. as recommended by the Patel thereto? Study Team? THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI HOUSING AND HEALTH ANDFAMILY JAGJIWAN RAM): At present the esta- PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR blishment of any fresh unit of Ordnance Pro- DIKSHIT): (a) There is no proposal under duction is not under consideration. the consideration of the Medical Council of India. Failing of an IrOD DerrIck on Baha.ur (b) Docs not arise. SIIah Zafar Marg, New DelIII Suspension of Workers of Shahjabanpur 3242. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Will Ordnance Clothing Factory the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to state: 3239. SHRI JlTENDRA PRASAD: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to (a) whether Government are aware that stnte: an i ron derrick meant for the bridge to be constructed by Delhi Development Autho- rity fell on Bahadur Shah Zafar Marg. New (a) whether 21 workers of the Shahjahan- Delhi on the 10th June, 1971; and pur Ordnance Clothing Factory were sus- pcm]cd by the General Manager due to their (b) if so. the reason therefor and the loss being implicated in two court cases; suffered? (b) whether the workers were acquitted by the Judicial M"gi,.uate en the 10th Feb- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN· THE MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING ruary, 1971; if so. the reasens for their not (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, Sir. having been reinstated yet; and (b) In connection with an over-bridge con- (c) if so, whether the Minbtry received struction work that is being undertaken by any representation regarding the above the H industan Housing Factory fpr tho mentioned fact and if so, the action taken Municipal Corporation of Delhi, on the 10th thereon ? of June 1971, a stecl derrick of about 35' height was being moved to one end near the THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI foot Path of Bahadur Shah Zafar Mars and . JAGJIWAN RAM): (a) Yes, Sir. 23 was tied by steel ropes. One of the ropes of workers were suspended. the derrick was slung across the road at a height of approximately 19', to ensure the (b) Reinstatement of all the 23 workers stability of the derrick. Traffic was passing was ordered by the General Manager on under-neath this rope. It is reported a bus 8-6-1971 in light of the orders passed by passing on the opposite sid.e of the road. the Judicial Magistrate on 10th Feb 1971. rubbed against this rope and that the derrick Full pay and allowances for the whole period was pulled towards the centre of the road of suspension will be admissible to the and fell down dcmaging the back of a taxi workers. and the front of -the three wheeler scoOter. (c) Some representations were received from members of the public regarding the No loss was suffered by the Hinqustan incident, but considering that the situation Housing Factory· limited. The incident' had returned to normal, no further action was however is being ipq\lired intp both by *e deemed necessary. Police and the Hindustan HousinB Factory. 59 , JUNs Z8, 1971 . , Agitation by Farmers fill' Removal of TiIpU f1t;1n 'JIlT I ~ ~ RUle t if'ft' .nt 'rAT q'f t fiI; ~ it iiflft;r II"( ~ ~ ~ ~ 3243. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN: trof11IJ: amff ~ fiR;nr iii{ f\;m t, ~ Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: ~ ~qytfil;~1fm m AllimIlft'~~1 ~lIlt~~ (a) whethor the farmers near the Tilpjl.t ~q,rljl\'ijl" ~Ifm~","",lt I Air Force range have launched an aaitatica for the removal of the range: (~) ~ ~ IjiJ' tiII"A 7 ¥, (b) whether about 1250 acres of land an: 1971 ~ 6Idj(ifljl(f ~ n.rr 1417 ~ leased Ollt by the Air F()r~ for cultivation; ~1Ift'~~f1t;1n~tl (~) if so, the number of persons to whom the lands are leased out and the ralei at CIIoIent EpidemiDg in West Benpl, which the lands are leased; and Meghalaya lind Assam (d~ whetlw ia 'lie... , of the de ....nd"frorR farmers, Qovernnwnl would remow, the 3245. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will the range and sell the land to the needy farmers Minister OF HEALTH AND FAMILY and landiess labours? PLANNING be pleased to stale: (a) the number of refugees who died as THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI a result of Cholera epidemic in West Benpl, JAGJIWAN RAM): (a) No, Sir. Mcahalaya and Assam; and (b) and (c). Approximately 1,600 acres of (b) the steps taken by Government to deal lands are bem. cultivated by the Air Force with the out· break of such Cholera epidemic? Unit throlJ8h 13 Fum Managers, appointed on a commission basis. THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND (d) No, Sir. The possibility of improving HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY tbe method of manaaement is being investi- PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR pled. DIKSHIT): (a) The available information is as follows: ~ m qlliMttf1ft ""'., ~ Name of State No. of deaths ~.. q fiInn '"'" West Benpl 3,648 (upto 22-6-1971) Meghalaya Nil (as reported on 23-6-(971) 32"4.-"' ... ~~: IIQT Assam 15 (as reported on ~~ q:~IIft'PlTrn fiI;: 23-6-1971) The above figures are in respect of patients ( iii ) IIQT mr 19 IfIif q 'Ift;ft iIl{ admitted to hospitals and health centres qlNtdlti'l W;rr tron'J ~ q Q ~ 'Tf and do not include those of way side deaths. the figures given in respect of West Benpl t amm ~ ~1I'rnfN~ include deaths due to pstro-enteritis also. IIhn 11ft' ~ ~ ..-ro .. 'JIlT t; aitt (b) The salient steps so Car taken are as folloW8:- (~) m~, m IfIfT 1I'rnfN tr.n "" (i) All refugees in Camps and local m ~ arfi;rIji iHMliil4'ft am ~ ~ population are being giVen anti- ~ ~ CIf11mIji ~ iii\' iiIT ~ t ? cholera inoculation. (ii) A special mass anti-cholera im- WI ~ (~ ""'"""~): (iii) munization drive has been started in cities and major towns in the ;ft;f iii\' ~ • ~ lI"qoll+tll 11ft' States bordering Bangia De.h. ~ ~ iii m it 1m fiI;1n' 'JIlT (iii) Necessary preventive measures to ~ ~ lIi'I' aPR; ~ tn: II1i"Rr combat the spread of cholera such III 61 Written Answer! ASAOHA " 1893 (SAKA) Written AlliIN" 62 disinfection of water supplies, lIlT ~Iffi ~ SI'1fT1r ~~, WT iljCijfiildll isolation of cases etc. are being ~ ~ IlIIr.f ~ ;my , taken. Sanitation facilities arc being Medical Adviser to the Indian High Com- Permi.. ioll to Conr BarsRti to Allottees of mission for India in the U. K., to meet the D.D.A. Flats In Naralna, Drlbl Indian doctors and also to visit one or two hospitals there. 3250. SURI GO'IKHINDE: Will the (c) The expenditure incurred in Indian Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be currency on the air travel of the members pleased to state: of the Delegation is Rs. 24.916/- approxima- tely. The details of the foreign exchange (a) whether the allottees of Delhi Develor- expenditure incurred on hotel accommoda- ment Authority, Naraina. Delhi requested tion, daily allowance. entertainment etc. in the D.D.A. to allow them to cover the room respect of the Indian Delegation have not on the terrace; b.:en received Crom the Indian Foreign Mis- (b) if so, whether the Delhi Development sions concerned. Authority have since taken a decision to (d) India is a member of the World Health permit the allottces to cover the barsati on Organisation and in accordance with the grounds of security; and Constitution of the World Health Organisa- (c) if not, the reasons thereCor? tion. a delegation is sent each year to parti- cipate in World Health Assembly meeting. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE The delegation participated in the general MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING di,cussior.s held ;n the World HZillth Assemb- (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, Sir. ly. a supremc organ of the World Health (b) and (c). Not yet. The Authority is Organisation. The rrol'uble dd that would be expected to take a decision soon. forthcoming to India from the World Health Organisation for its various operating Health Allottees of D. D. A. Flats in Naraina in Programmes is e.,timated to be $ 623847 in Delbi 1971 and $ 698302 in 1972. 3251. SHRI GOTKHINDE: Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to refer to the reply givcn to Un- stali'cd Que,tion No. 4416 on the 14th 3249. '" (l"I"dl( ~; lRT December. 1970 rerardirg allottees of D.D.A. lIats in Naraina Residential Schemc ~ m qftifT( ~ 1j1ft' ~ ~ in Delhi and state: FIT fit; ; !fiT rn (,,) whether Delhi Devc1l'rmcnt AUlhority have since reconsidered the muttCl; and ('fi) !flIT ~ 'R ~ fit; F4 ~ ~ (b) if so, the decision t~ken by them? Rm~it~~'fil'~ rn cn~ af.A; ~ lIiT tfaT ~ 'fT; THE MINIS'TER OF STAlE IN THE MINISTR Y OF WORKS AND HOUSING (~) ~~, ffi ~'( ~ ~ (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, Sir. 1flIT ti (b) It has been decided that illterest free period oC 5 months as allowed in the caSe of ('f) ~ ~) Ifil ~ fif;e' allottees of Delhi Development Authority SI'lIiT'( ~ 5ITt (b) if so, what steps have been taken to Setting up of Leprosy Centres During control the rents; .'ourth Plan (c) whdh'"r this m,Uer h" been discussed with the D~lhi Administration; and 3254, DR. LAXMINARAIN PANDEY: Will the Minist~r of HEALTH AND FAMI- (d) if so, the r"sliits thereof? LY PLANNING be pleased to state how many centre" fur Lepros~ treatment will he THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE started in t~e fOUl th Plan? . MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (SHRI I. K, GUJRAL): (a) Rents for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE houses in Delhi have heen increasing steadily MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY but this is by no means a peculiar feature of PLANNING (SHIH D, P. CHOTTOPA- Ddhi nor can the increases be said to be DHYAYA): During the Fourth Plan abnormal in all localities. period (1969-74) 80 Leprosy Control Units (b) The D~lhi Rent Control Act, 1958, and 460 Surwy Educ:ltion ~nd Trcztmlnt provides for the control of rents in the Union ('entres are pr,'posed to be estRblishcd. 40 Territory of Delhi. According to the pro- old Subsidiary Centres are also proposed to visions conlailh!d in Chapter II therein, rent he upgraded into full fledged Lellfo,y in l!X~CSS of standard fent is 110t recoverable Controll Units fN the tr~atment of lern·sy and the standard rent is required to be fixed patients under the frzmcwork of the National by the Relit Controller on an appli<.:"tion Leprosy Control Programme. made to him either by the landlord or I·y the tenant. ~~if~if~~ (c) No. iti~f.mrqT~~ (d) Does not uri,c, 3255, no ~~ qfi: !p:ff ~ ~ am~ lj-!ft ~ m ott ~ I!i'(if fit; : 3253. p" ... ~: !p:ff .n (l£i) ~ ~ ~ it arr ~ i114f'1ld1l it; ~, ~ 3256. .-,0 ~mI"f qti: iflIT ~ if ~ ~ ~ fcIcmr fire f.:ftnf ~att~n,,",~~ ~~ t~rn~ it; ~ if 10 ~ lI>'TFtTrn fit; ~ ~~~ it; m;tt~~'Tf~1 ~ urnitil ~ ~ ~ ~!f\ ~ fit;q;:rr 1ft' ~ ~ lI>1 ~ arT4'm ~ ~gaIT ? if qr ~"~~Tit;~ 3258. ~ ~ f*t ~: If4'T ~~~~,~~ ~~~~1Mt~~ 69 ASADHA 7, 1193 (SAKA) of India has been drawn to' a repnrt in Ihe Motherland of the 22nd May, 1971 regarding India's dipjomiltic initiative in regard to (~) If!1T ~ (pff ~)tWt """ Bangia Desh completely petering out be- ~~~~~~ cause of un-cooperative attitude of the big it~~ ~ 1tiT~~tf.;mt powers; and ~'~~'q<;~rn~ (b) if so, the reaction of Government of India in this regard? ~a it ~ ~ Si4)'j'Uliilj ltft ~ ltft~; am: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (~) ~~, en dffi .... ~tfI -m:r If!1T (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) ~ ? Yes Sir. (b) Government has been in constant touch ~ ~ qfun~ ~ '"""" if w;th foreign governments, through all means m'f Qt (.u ~o ,"0 "l'qjSqjq): at its dispo,aj, on the developments in BangIa De,h. Many foreign Government,. including (II\") am: ('-'f). '~I{I(" qn;r;{ ~ the big powers, have assured us that they are ~ ~ ~ ~ t ft;ro: sm:f1:1A; using their influence with the Government of Pak i;tan to stop the use of force and to ~ ~ (pff ~ rn t ft;ro: seek a politic.11 solution. Mamny are also ltft~~~~,it agreed that the refugees are .1 tremendous burden on India, that they arc not India's 1970-71 it ~ ~ ~ ltft .rt j ~ respon,ihility. and that conditions must be t~'fiT~rnt~ri~m acreated for their return in safety. Thus there ~ ltft~ 'fiT rilfl'1JTf.!;m';;rr ~ ~ j is increasing appreciation of India's .tand. AUeged Indian laterference in Ceylonese Confiscation of Properties of Hindus In West Affairs Pakistan by Pakistan Govt. 3259. SHRI SHYAM NANDAN 3261. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- MISHRA: Will the Minister of EX- JHUNWALA: TERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: SHRI DEVINDI:.R SINGH GARCHA: (a) wh ,ther Government are aware that the form~r Prime Minister of Ceylon, Mr. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL D~dl"y S"n:ln3yake, has comphined of AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Indian int~1 fercnce in the internal affairs of Ceylon; and (a) whether properties of Hindus in West (b) if so, Government's reaction thereto? Pakistan are being confiscated by the Pakistan Government; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) if so, the total value of such properties; MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (0) No, and Sir. There is no authoritative information (c) whether Government would take any on this point. retaliatory steps in regard to paym~nts due to Pakistan? (b) Does not arise. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Unco·Operative Attitude of Big Powers MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Toward. BangIa De.h Pr(lblem (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): noo. SHRI H. M. PATEL: Will the (a) Government has seen news paper r~ ports to the effect that notices have been ser- Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be ved on a number of Hindus citizens of West pleased to stn te: Pakistan asking them why their property (a) whether the attention of Government should not be dochlred as eVamJee property. 71 WrI,Ift ~.r JUNE 28, 1971 Iffrl"". Aruwer.r (b) and (c). G ~v~rnm'nt is tryin! to collect Payment of Gratuity to AU Ex-8ervlctDKn correct information and details, and consi- dering what action to take. 3263. SHRI BRIJ RAJ SINGH-KOTAH: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased Rl!plltriates from Ceyloa, Burma and Other to state: Countries (a) whether the decision regarding a scheme 3262. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY: Will for payment of gratuity to all ex-servicemen the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be was taken in October, 1970; and pleased to state: (b) if so, the number of el(-servicemen who have been benefited by this scheme and have (a) whether a large number of Indians have drawn. their payments 1 been repatriated by Ceylon. Burma and other countries during the last three years; and THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (b) the number of such Indians country- JAGJIWAN RAM): (a) A decision was wise and action being taken by Government taken in September 1970. whereby tho! c to rehabilitate them? who were in service on 10th September 1970 or w~re recruited thereafter were made eligi- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ble for Death-Cum-Retirement Gratuity in MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS addition to pension. (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) A (b) The number of persons who have been significant number of Indians have been benefited is sufficiently large and it will tak., repatriated during the last three years from considerable time and labour to collect this Ceylon and nurma. information. (b) There numbers are as follows: Distribution of jeeps to Members of Y"ar Burma Ceyloll Parliament 1968 8,569 3,177 3264 SHRI BRIJ RAJ SINGH-KOTAH: 1969 10,139 5,764 Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 1970 3.747 7.988 to state: Total 22.455 16.929 (a) the number of jeeps sold to Members of Parliament during 1970-71; and Steps taken to rehabilitaterepatriatesare:- (b) the amount of money received and to be received for the same 7 (i) business loans upto a ceiling of Rs. 3000/- per family; THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (ii) Housing loans not exceeding Rs. JAGJlWAN RAM): (a) During the finan- 4,100/-. cial year 1970-71, approximately 171 jeeps were sold to Members of Parliament. (iii) Asistance upto Rs. 5,000/- per family for those resettled in agriculture, (b) An amount of Rs. 10,33. 527/- has been together with the supply of some received in respect of 154 jeeps. The amount farming implements etc; various received for the remaining 17 jeeps is being educational concessions, priority in ascertained from the Depots which sold employment exchanges, relaxation them and a statement will be laid on the tllble of upper age limit for appointment, of the House The full price is recovered setting up of Liaison Officers at heforc relcasil.r the ic"ps. Madras and Vishakhapatnam to render employment assistance to re- Mlgr.ltion of Hindus of West PakistaD to patriates, training and employment India Through Hussalnwala Border facilities in industries, tea and rubber plantations schemes for 3265. SHRI P. GANGADEB: Ceylon repatriates, various special SHRI S. M. KRISHNA: schemes for schools, vocational homes, workin, centres etc. Will tbe Minister of EX~RNAL AF- 13 W,ilten An.rwer. ASADHA 1. la93 (SAKA) ,.. FAIRS be pleased to state: family planning was held in New York in April, 1971; (a) whether nearly 100 Hindus families (h) if so, the subjects discussed; and have entered India through the Hussainwala border during the last week of May, 1971; (c) the decisions arrived thereon 7 (b) if so, whether anti-India campaign has been launched in West Pakistan and there THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE is a feeling of insecurity among the Hindus MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMIILY living there; PLANNING (SHRI D. P. CHATTOPADH- YAY A): (a) Yes Sir. The meeting was held (c) if so, whether by this Pakistan is vidating from March 22nd to 30tb, 197 I. the Nehru· Liaquat Ali Pact for protection of Minorities in both the countries; and (b) The subjects discussed Were mainly concerning:- (d) if so, whether India has protested to Pakistan about the treatment meted out to (i) Contribution of social welfare to the the minorities in that country 7 Family Planning Programme at the national level; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (ii) International cooperation in pro- (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) moting .<'Cial welfare aspects of Family Planning Programme; and Twenty Hindu families migrated to India through Hussainiwala checkpost from May (iii) Requirements of man-power and 25 to May 31, 1971. training in social welfare aspects of (b) to (d). Anti-India propaganda hus ,,1- the Family Planning Programme. ways becn a feature of Pakistan's foreign (c) The report of the meeting bas not yet Policy. There has, however. recently been a been received. further intensification of such propaganda. Recruitment of Army personnel from Easlem There has always been a feeling of inse- region of IOOla curity amongst the Hindus living in West Pakistan because of the hardships and dis- crimination suffcred by thclIl. This feeling 3267. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: would certainly have been intensified by the Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased happenings in East Rengal. to state: The G,)vcrnmcnt of Pakistan h"s becn con- (a) whether the view of strategic importance sistently violating the Nehru-Liaquat Agree- of the Eastcrn Rcgion of India and more ment under which it had solemnly under- particularly the North Bengal, Government taken to ensurc a rull >ccllSC of security to have decided to recruit more Army personnel the minorities. Govcrnment have repcatedly from that area who are accustomed with the rcmindcli the Govcrnment of Pakistan of locality; their obligations towards their minorities (b) whether it has been decided to open under this Agreement. more recruiting Centres in North Bengal; and U. N. MeetIng of Experts on Sodal Welfare aspect of Family Planning (c) whether certain Rules for recruitment, particularly for Scheduled Tribes, have been 3266. SHRI P. GANGADEB: relaxed? SHRI RAMSHEKHAR PRASAD SINGH: THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIWAN RAM): (a) and (b). No, Sir. Wilt the Minister of HEALTH AND FA- MILY PLANNING be pleased to state: (c) Relatively lower physical standards are prescribed for members of certain ethnic (a) Whether an Inter-regional U.N. meeting groups, like certain Scheduled Tribes, Ass:!· of experts on the social welfare aspect of Ihe mese, Gorkhas, ctc. JUNE ~8, 1911 16 Salaik School at HlMllialara (c) 21. 752 operations for the restoration of sight were performed and 6,587 operations 3268. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: for the prevention of imminent hlindness. Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased Altogether 210,094 people received treat· to state: ment for conditions which might have led eventually to impaired si&ht, duritll! the Will the Minister of HEALTH AND ComplaInts of Pbysical, Snual Psycbologleal FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state: Symptoms duc to vasectomy OperatlOllB The summary of Indian studies is given below: 1. Pcr Cent 0/ Steriliz.:d M,lles Repf'rlil:, Stltls/action with Va8ectomy: Country and Year of Author No. reportina POrl:eDt subnational area publication on satisfaction satWied INDIA Gujarat 1963 Poffenberger and Shcth 61 87 J.lIllIllU & Kashmir 1960 Sawhncy & Langoo 175 68 Maharashtra 1963- Dandekar 1,191 92 -Including smJII proportions in some studies indicating indifference or no opinioD. 2. Per Cent Distribution of Sterilized Males, by Reported Changes in Sexual be.;re O~ AelMty: Pcr cent distribution by rcported changes in sexual desire or activity Country and Year of Author No Increase No Total subnational publica- change decrease responce Percent No. area lion INDIA: Delhi 1964 Bhatnagar 69 19 12 0 100 330 Delhi 1968 Sandhu and 57 16 23 4 100 146 Bhardwaj Gujuat 1963 Polfenberger 59 15 10 16 100 61 Shcth Madhya Pro 1968 Halder 60 12 23 S 100 2S0 Maharashtra 1961" Phadke 80 12 8 0 100 655 Mlharashtra 1963" Dandekar 35 II 54 0 100 1,191 Mysore and 196&·· H. K. Rao 83 4 7 6 100 247 Tamil Nadu Uttar Pradesh 1961 Banerji 54 39 7 0 100 202 ·-Private patients. 3. P.'r Cmt Distrihutioll "I SterilIzed Mules, by Reporl"d Chan,es in General Health Per cent distribution by reported charges in general health Counlryand Year of Author No Better Worse No Total subnational publica- change response Percent No. area tion INDIA Delhi 1964 Bhutnagar 76 10 14 0 100 322 M.ldhya Pr. 1968 H~lder 56 28 16 0 100 250 Maharashtra 1962 Phadkc 75 23 2 0 100 6SS '19 A study carried out at the Post-Graduate THl.' MINISTER OF STATE IN HIE Insll. of Medicine and Research, Chandi- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY "nrh shows that nearly 1/4th of the patients PLANNING (SHIH D. P. CHATTOPADH- when contacted three months to 18 months YA YA): (a) According to the information after vasectomy had some complaints which supplied by the Government of (jujalat, t~ey attributed to the operation. It is diffi- there are 116 villages having no sOLlrc.: of cult to say whether all these complaints drinking water in Bhavllagar District of should be accepted as 'symptoms' in the Gujarat. clinical sense because a large number of (b) and (c). Six villages which arc in the cases had not really sought the medical help rocky areas arc proposed to be provided with for th·,se complaints. It is easy to conceive of a p'-1tient's discomfort as a 'symptom' if handpulIl\l t"bcwdls umler lhe WHO/ UNiCEr as',iskd rural water supply pro- he com os to a doctor, but if a person is con- tacted in his home and he mentions some gramme. The remaining 110 villages arc discomfort, the decision becomes quite proposed to be served through the piped difficult. However, even these 'sub-clinical "Hter supply schemes. compl?ints' deserve to be properly studied and investigated because the resultant sim- m~~~~~if mering discontent can be a potential source ~~p of a ne::-ative propaganda against this im- portant "ation;,1 proglammc. 3273. ~ ifI1! mf ~; 'flIT (b) No. On t1,., otil~r huml, the studies ~~m ~ lfft ~ ~;t\" h,~\',; brought out that those who have com- plaints af,er Vasectomy are often persons W'lT rn fit; ; with a histo! y of rrevio~s psychiartic in- stilbility. According to the findings of Dr. (~) !fin aror m;n: it ~~ ~)1r N. N. Wig and his co-workers, these com- ~ ffi;r ~ ~ ~~; plaints app~ar to be hypochondriacal. it; (c) No. The complaints of sexual and (~) ~~, aT m 'flIT ~ psychological, nature are not due to poor ~ ~ II': ~ fmm Olflf SatT; and d~fcct;vc follow up, but due to the factor am: am: stated above. (11") m~~fmm omr (d) Instructions have been issued that the gatT~~gf? p~"OilS volunteering for va~ectomy should be pnpcrly screened before the operation. Instructiclns have also been issued that any ~ ~ "{~ Ql ('1i "ro p~rs0n having any type of complaint after *o~) (~) ;;IT 'I"@ I ~ ~ lift 1he oporation should be provided nece,sary ~r it; arniTlf fatT ~ I it; 0Ift;)0f it; treatment on priority basis. w:Otr it 'frit ~ ~ ~ it; ~ Rural Drinking Water Supply Scheme for lift ~ rn it; ft;Q; ~ ;ft ~ ~ Bbavnallllr in Gujarat l«tT 31-5- 1 97 1 alii ~ ~ IR f~ 'l1l'T iIfIl' (a) whether Government have announced liberalisation in the house building advance 186.38 THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM AND (a) whether it has been decided to compel CHEMICALS (SHRI P. C. SETHI): (a) No people particularly Harijans to get themselws Sir. stcrlized; (b) More than 2800 units (including about (b) whether the Government of Haryana 100 units in organiscd sector) are presently is compelling landless Harij"lls to get them- engagcd in the manufacture of drugs nnd selves sterilized . before they can become pharmaceuticals. Considering number of eligible for getting lan~ under the land units, the range of their operations etc .• reforms mcnsures: and Government do not consider it necessary to (e) if so, Government reaction thereto '1 nationalise the drug industry. As a Schedule 'B' Industry under the Industrial Policy THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Resolution of 1956, it can be developed both MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY in the public and the private sectors. PLANNING (SHRI D. P. CHATTOPADH- YAYA): (a) The Family Planning Pro- Llberalisatlon of House Building Advance gramme is of a voluntary nature. The ques- Rules tion of compelling anyone to undergo sterili- zation operations does not, therefore, arise. 3275. SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be (b) and (e). The Information is being pleased to state; "Qllected from tht;Siate Governlllent and ., JUNE 28, 1971 Wrltt." AlISwers 84 will be laid on the Table of the Sabha as ~ fifi;:r-fil;;f ~ ~ 'R ~ 3!flf fiI;In lOOD as it is received. ~ """ ';f.l ~ t ;:mt" II'In' ~ ~ Forcible VuectlBy Operatlous {« 5I1m: oq'!f fiI;lrr 'fT; 3277. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: Will ('f) 1flIT ~ ~-mmr ~ ~ the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY Ilimr~ ~ 6'~ ~ PLANNING be pleased to state: t; am: (,,) ~ if(l', MIfIn' ~~ ? (a) whether extremely poor and helpless m Harijans are forcibily compelled to under-go ~.nft(~~~): (ifi) vasectomy operations to show larger figures of those operated upon; ~~I (b) whether one Puran Paswan S/o Dasai ('!I') 1969-70 ~ ~ it fOI' Paswan of village Bhagirathpatti in Baso- patti block, district Darbhanga, Bihar, aged 50,717.69~~~tritif I ~'Ufu 70 years and physically paralised and without I!i't fimfifIff i!t ~,~, ffi;~ having a single issue was operated upon by am: ~ it ;;r.m;r ~ 'R ~ fiI;In Dr. Yogeshwarnath Singh on the 25th ';f.l ~-fum (House Masters) ~ September, 1970; t, ~ ;ilir ~ ltil ~ 'fT, ;:mt" ~ (c) whether because of having protested apinst tbe above one Krishna Kumar Jha ~~:- wai assaulted and got arrested on the 29th ~~ am:o~, ~o September, 1970; and oft'o am:o ~o (d) if replies to parts (b) and (c) be affirma- m, ito m, am::o am::o 'UO'R, tive, Government's reaction thereon and am::o !fio ~,ito ~ ~, am:: 0 action taken against the above Doctor? ito ~ am: Ift'o ~o ~ I THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ('f) am: (,,).~ifiTanm-~~ MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING (SHRI D. P. CHATTOPADH- ~~I YAY A): (a) The Family Planning Prog- Manufacturing of Rockets Conyertable into gramme is of a voluntary nature and the inter Continental Ballastic Missile question of com",,"ing anyone to undergo st~rilisation operation does not arise. 3279. SHRI RAMSEKHAR PRASAD (b) to (d). The information is being collec- SINGH: Will the Minister of DEFENCE ted from the State Government and will be be pleased to state: laid on the Table of the Sabha as soon as (a) whether India has decided to make it is received. rockets convertable into Inter-Contincntal Balla~tic Mi!l.~i1e to meet the threat created by the Chinese decision to test Inter-Conti- nental Ballastic Missile on Indian ocean; and 3278. '" ~ ~: 1flIT (b) if so, the main features of the decision? ~ 1j'Jfr q Q'f.t ~ !i"T ~ fifi : THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIWAN RAM): (a) No, Sir. (Ifi) IfIIT ~smr it ~ ~ it; (b) Docs not arise. mnf'm ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ft;rl{r m "" Allotment of Land to Military-Men by i(MT ~; MiDlltry of Defence in Rajasthan ('!I') ~~, m ~ 1969-70 it 3280. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR: Will ~ srIJR ~ ~ II'{ ~ ~ q1IT'IT the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 8S Wrllt,,, .4."" ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAKA) Writ,.,. AM_, 86 state: Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state whether in view of the strategic po~ilion of (a) whether land was allotted to military- Districts Saharsa and Purnea any steps arc men by his Ministry under Colonization being contemplated to strengthen the borders Scheme in Bundi region in Rajasthan during in most of the north-eastern districts? the year 1947; (b) if so, the number of military personnel THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHR! who were allotted land there; JAGJIWAN RAM): The security needs of the area, the hon'ble Member has in view, (c) whether Government have given actual have been taken into account in our Defence physica I possession of the said land to all plans. the allottees; (d) if not. the reasons therefor; and Unauthorised Houses In Sbakarpur Trans- (e) whether Government propose to allto Yam\lllll Colony, Delbi land to them somewhere else in fulfilment of its award? 3283. SHRI G. VENKATSWAMY: Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI be pleased to state: JAGJIWAN RAM): (a) to (e). The re- quisite information has been called for from (a) whether a large number of unauthorised the State Government and will he bid on the houses have been built in Shakarpur, a trans- table of the House when received. Yamuna colony, where land has been sold in violation of the Master Plan for Delhi; Petroleum and Gas Agencies to anyone Else and other than the Unemployed Engineers or (b) if so, the action taken by Government Graduates to stop unauthorised construction work in the colony? 3281. SHRI N. K. SHARMA: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE CALS be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (SHRI 1. K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether any petrol pumps gas agency or some other agency has been given to any- (b) Notices have been issued in about 1500 one else other than the unemployed Engineers cases for demolition in village Shakarpur. or Graduates during the last three years; Fencing is being done to prevent fresh en- and croachment<. Several persons have been arrested for illegal sale of Government ac- (b) if so, the names and places where it quired land. A police patrol to prevent neW has been given tosether with the reasons construction has also been provided. thereof? Collection of Subscriptions In ForelJPI THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM AND Countries to Help Alleged Starving IDdIaD CHEMICALS (SHRI P. C. SETHI) (a) and Cbllden (b). The scheme for the award of IOC's retail outlets dealerships, kerosene/LDO agencies 3284. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA: Indane distributorships to unemployed Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS graduates was introduced on 24th November, be pleased to state: 1969. The required information in regard to the deal~rs. ag!nts and distributors appointed (a) whether Government are aware that in outside this scheme, along with the reasons certain countries, regular subscriptions are therefor. is being collected and will be laid raised from the school and college students on the Table of the House. on the plea that the amount is needed to help the starving children of India; and Strategic Importance of Saharsa ar.d Purnea Districts of Bihar (b) if so, whether Government propose to write to such countries 10 stop such collec- )282. SARI R. P. YADAV; Will the tions? 87 Writ,,,, Alllw", JUNE 28, 1971 E8 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Propallanda by Pakistan Embessies MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS AgaInst India (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) and (b). No such information has come to the 3286. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA: notice of the Government in recent times. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: OII'kers and Stair In IDclIan High Commission in London (a) whether the Pakistan Embassies and Missions in various countries are indulging in various propaganda on Kashmir and other 3285. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS disputed matters against India; be pleased to state: (b) whether apart from bringing out their own publications, advertisements arc given (a) the number of officers and staff working in prominent papers, tarnishing the image of at present in the Indian High Commission at our country and indulging in such activities London, categorywise; which are far beyond the legitimate scope of (b) whether the number of staff is far in foreign embassies and missions; and excess of the number of staff actually required (c) if so, what steps Government propose in comparison with the number of staff of to take in this direction? other Missions of other countries stationed there; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (c) if so, the reasons therefor? MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (c) Such activities by Pakistani Missions in (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) 628 a number of world capitals are not new. offi;er, and stafT are at present employed in the High Commission of India, London. Our Missions abroad arc kept fully in- The category-wise break up of the staff is formed of facts and figures and are equiped as follows: to take suitable corrective measures in this IndiD-based: context and they take action promptly. Gazetted 89 De-Requisitioning of the Houses of Ex- Non-gazetted 88 Servicemen in Cantonment Area. Total 177 3281. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased Local: to state: Assistant and above 121 Clerical & typing grades 222 (a) whether Government have taken final decision on de-requisitioning the Houses of Minor & manipulative grades 108 ex-servicemen from the cantonment area; Total 451 and (h) if not, what steps are being taken to (b) and (c). There has been a progressive provide adequate housing facilities to retired reduction of the staff strength of the Indian Army/Navy and Air Force personnel who High Commission in London from 1035 in own n house in the cantonment but which 1962 to the present strength of 628, which is has heen taken over by Government 7 not considered to be in excess of actual re- quirements. It is difficult to compare staff THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI ,I rcngth of our mission in London with th.t JAGJIWAN RAM): (a) No house belong- of missions of other countries stat ioned there ing to any Ex-Servicemen is held on requisi- as the nature and quantum of work required tion in any Cantonment. The question of de- to be done by a cOUlltry's mission varic. from requisitioning any such house does not, there- that of others. fore. arise. 89 W,ltItn Answe,s ASADHA 7, i893 (SAKA) (b) Docs not arise in view of the ar.swer ('f) ~ IR ~ 11ft 1f!fl' ~ to clause (a) above. However. every request for dehiring is examined and decided on ~ a1fT ~ IR 1f!fl'~rt fuq;rful m1t if; 125 ij- 130 ~ II<: I ~ f.!;it 'fit ~ . 11.' Ii.: is IIlso the w.sponsor qf SeRate Con- (c) the factors responsible for the increase current Resolution urging suspension of in I he number of persons suffering from US military assistance to Pakistan until the T. B.; and conflict is resolved. (d) the long-term and short-term schemes of Government to tight this menace? COlllressman GaJlaaher on hili rewrn. made v~ry obj~ctive and strong ~:ltements and moved an amendment in the House of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Iilcprescntatives to the Foreill1 Assistance MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Act pf 1961 se.;:kina: to "suspend all aid to the PLANNING (SHIU D. P. CHOTTOPADH- Govt. of Pakistan until international inspec- YAYA): (a) and (b). The information is tion team. Imvc ascertained that Pakistan being collected and will be laid on the Table is cooperating in allowina lhe situation to of the Sabha. return 1\.) reasonable stability in East Pakistan (c) The increase is morc of apparent and th~t as far a6 feasible, refugees arc being nature and factors responsible are: allowed to return from India to reclail1l their lands and propenie&." (i) Rise in population. (ii) Expansion of facilities at the various Deploym (a) whether Government have any infor- (d) There is a National T. B. Control Pro- mation about the deployment of short or gramme in the IV Five Year Plan is a Cen- medium range liquid fuelled Chinese missiles trally sponsored scheme with 100 % Central in Tibetan or Sinkiang regions; and assistance. It provides for establishment/ upgrading of one District T. B. Centre in (b) if so, the steps Government have taken every District equipped with X-ray and to counteract the threat to the cities in the Indian mainland 1 Laboratory equipments and staffcd with a team of Medical and Para-medical personnel specially trained at -the National Tubercu- THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI losis Institute, Banaalore. The District T.B. JAGJIWAN RAM): (a) and (b). Govern- Centre provides preventive BCG Vaccination n1<:nt have no information about the deploy- and diagnosis and treatment of patients ment of short or medium range liquid fuelled through the net work of peripheral health Chinese missiles in Tibetan or Sinkiang institutions, thus extending preVentive, dia- resions. snostic and curative services to the patients as near to their homes as possible. Scbeme to Fight T. B. Menace In addition, Voluntary T.B. Orllanisations 3292. SHRI JYOTlRMOY BOSU: Will in States/Union Territories are supplied the Minister of HEAL1H AND FAMILY anti-TB druas free of cost. PLANNING be pleased to state: Setttng up of a Salalk SahooI in Kerala (a) the latest statistics relatins to the number of persons sufferinll from T. B. in 3293. SHRIMATl BHARGAVI THAN- each State; KAPPAN: Will the Minister of DEFENCE (b) the total number of T. B. beds in be pleased to state: Governmcnt owned and GOVerMment financed hospitals lind clinics as in 1960-6\ (a) whether Government have considered nad1970-71; or propose to consider to set up a Sainik 93 Written Answers ASADHA 1,1893 (SAKA) Written Answ." School in the State of Kerala during Fourth THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM AND Five Year Plan period; and CHEMICALS (SHRI P. C. SETHI): (a) (b) if so, its location and when it is likely No Sir. to be set up ? (b) and (e) Do not arise. THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI Construction of Quarters In Mandlr Marl JAGJlWAN RAM): (a) and (b). No, Sir; and DIZ Areas New Delhi Sainik Schools are opened only at the re- quest of the State Government/Central Ad- 3296. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR: ministration, who bear the cost of the School SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN: buildings, furniture, etc, and who also award Scholarships to the boys selected from the Will the Minister of WORKS AND State for admission into these Schools. HOUSING be pleased to state: Government of India have not received any request from the Government of Kerala for (a) the number of quarters under construc- opening a second Sainik School in that State. tion in Mandir Marg and DIZ areas in New There is already a Sainik School in Kerala Delhi and their break-up in respect of Types near Trivandrum. I, II,III and IV; (b) when these quarters are likely to be Jobless Doctors In Kerala completed and ready for allotment; and 3294. SHRIMA Tl BHARGAVI THAN- (c) how the said houses are proposed to be KAPPAN: Will the Minister of HEALTH allotted? AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state: THE MINISTBR OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (a) the number of Doctors who were job- (SHRI J. K. GUJRAL): (a) less in Kerala State as on the 1st April, 1971; Type I 64 (b) whether Government have received any Type II 192 representation in this regard; and Type III 240 Type IV 94 (c) if so, the reactions of Government thereon? (b) 64 Type I quarters have already been completed and occupied. 192 Type II and THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 240 Type III quarters are expected to be com- HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY pleted by July 1971 and 94 Type IV mlilti- PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR storeyed flats are expected to be completed DlKSHIT): (a) to (c). The information is by June 1972. being collected and will be laid on the Table (e) 47 quarters havc been earmarked for of the Sabha in due course. Government of India Press Pool, Willingdon Hospital Pool and for allotment to those EXJIIUIIlou of Capacity of Dlgboi Refinery officers who are required to vacate the exist- with CoDaboration of Burmah 011 Company ing accommodation in this area. The remain- ing quarters will be allotted on change basisl 329S. SHRI GANGA REDDY: Will inturn waiting list and/or to the officers who the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE- have been sanctioned ad hoc allotment/change. MICALS be pleased to state: Grant of Scholarships to Students of Sainlk (a) whether Government have agreed to SdIooIs of Union Territories have collaboration with Burmah Oil Company to expand the capacity of Digboi Refinery; 3297. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to (b) if so, what will be Government's Parti- state: cipation; and (e) the benefits and advantages of this (a) whether Ministry or Home Affairs had' coUaboration? in August, 1968 issued instructions reclefini,na JUNE 28,.1971 Writ/fir Answers 96 the 'income' for the award of Scholarships ('!r) 1971 if ~ 1970 plaint has beon received in respect of the if ~ it W1m :aqq'M«faff ~ admission of boys to the School. A few m:lfiR. complaints were received against the adminis- ifill' ~ JfII>G' ~ t; tration of the School. These Were enquired Into and remedial action was taken wherever (If) w t!ilt • ~ lJT ;nq IRI' po&sjbl~, ~ ~ ~ 1frof it ~~ t, aft'( m ~ ~m'li~ ~ i!II'tJ ~ Mass Progralllllle for Polio and Triple Antcsen VaceiRlltioR IIfI' ~ IIitr " 11ft; ~ ~it; 3301. SHRI BHUVARAHAN: Will the (!f) mmT am Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY a{Qlillf(41 3302. 15fT ~ ~ ~1:f: W ~I!~it;~~arft t!i 13"~ ~1ftT l1r"ft ~ 'I'm "The reported permission given by the SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: After hearing . Central Government to the Government of the statement I feel that this question of Uttar Pradesh to issue an Ordinance nationalisation of the sugar industry in U.P. nationalising the sugar industry in that has unfortunetely become a shuttle-ceck State." and is moving between the State Government and the Central Government, between the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Advocate General of U.P. on the one hand MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI and the Attorney General and the Law SHER SINGH): As Hon'ble Members are Ministr~ on the other. aware, the then Minister of Food and Agri- culture made a statement on the Floor of the A solemn promise was made inside and Sabha on the 15th December. 1969 in regard outside this House, both by the State Oovern- to the policy of Government of India regaro- ment and by the Central Government, and a 101 Permis,lon lor ASADHA 7,1893 (SAKA) Nofior.oliso/ion 0/ SUKor 102 Industry ill U.P. (CA) decision was taken in the Bombay Congress Government. How long are they going to session that they would nationalise the consider this matter? Is it not a fact that the sugar industry, and it was not decided that V. P. sugar mill owners are putting pressure nationalisation should take place simul- on the Central Government on the basis of taneously in V.P., Bihar and Maharashtra. the contribution to the election, not to allow the State Government to nationalise the Recently after resuming the Chief Minister- sugar industry. It is a sad commentary that ship in V.P., Shri Kamalapati Tripathi, the the V.P. Government wants to nationalise present Chief Minister of V.P., made a bold the sugar industry and the Centre is announcement that he would see that nation- dallying and wants to delay the entire matter. alisation took place as far as the sugar indus- What is the communication which they try in V.P. was concerned, and the news have recCived recently? Is it not a fact that or the statement came out in the Statesman the V.P. Chief Minister has asked Centre's of 25th June, 1971 on the basis of which we permission to issue an Ordinance taking over tabled our Calling Attention motion which the sugar industry? What is the reaction of you were kind enough to accept. The news the Government of India? Are they serious item says: or this was an election stunt? "The Vnion Government is under- stood to have decided to permit the V.P. SHRI SHER SINGH: As regards the Government to issue an Ordinance nation- allegation made by the hon. Member that alising the sugar industry in the State. The the sugar magnates of V.P. are approaching decision is a sequel to the persisent demand the Central Government. by the V.P. Chief Minister, Mr. Kamala- SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: They are trying pati Tripathi, urging implementation of to influence the Government, that is what the resolution passed by the Bombay Plenary session of the Congress (R) re- I said. commending the nationalisation of the SHRI SHER SINGH: I am saying that sugar mills in the States. The green signal to take over the mills will also involve the it is absolutely wrong. As for the content removal of the sugar industry from the of the memorandum it would not be in list of 37 key industries mentioned in the public interest to disclose it. The Central Industries (D:vdopment and Regulation) unnecessarily, as alleg~d by him. We have Act of 1961 as being beyond the jurisdic- received the communicltion only on Ihe 9th tion of the States for the purpose of nation- June and we are examining il; we shall nol alisation." take very long to decide th is matter. According to the various statements made SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: I seek your in this House by the hon. Minister they have guidance. I want to know the gist of the mentioned it very clearly that only the V.P. communication. The V.P. Chief Minister, Government can do it according to the according to my information, has asked for advice given by the Attorney General and permission from the Central Government by the Law Ministry here. I would invite to issue an Ordinance. his kind attention to para 3 of his statement where it is stated: SHRI SHER SINGH: I have already said that the contenls of the communication '"S0 far as UU3.r Prasesh io;; concerned, cannot be disclosed. The matter is under G,)v.:rn'n.!nt In.vc received a Communi- consideration and it will not take long. The eltion from the State Gov~rnment with matter has to be examined in various minis- regard to the action they propose to take tries such as Industrial Development Minislry, in the malter. The proposal is under con- Finance Ministry, Ministry of Lahour and sideration of Govor""'ort of Jndi~ in Employment. consultation wilh the Uttar Pradesh State Government." SHRI ATAL BIHAR I VAJPAYEE (Gwa- lior): There should be a prima fucie case. I want to know the gist of the communica- What pubJic interest is harmed by disclosing tion which they have received from the State the nature of the correspondence? . 103 P~rmission lor JUNE 28, 1971 NationrJ/i'ation 0/ S"llIr 104 Indllstry ill V.P. (CA) SIlRI S. M. BANERJEE: There are.':' . certam conventions followed in the House. .., ~ ~ ~: ff.t lfl!: 1ft When the ~inistcr says that something is in ~ ~ f.I; w :;fT;:ft ~ ~ ~ iIf\' the public Interest, he should convince you. ~ if ~ ~ !fiT ~~, f;rn« MR. SPEAKER: I follow your point. 'U\ilf wf.t ~ if; ar-rm ~ m if arq;ft I agree with you. I hope he will satisfy me ;ftfu iAT ~ I ~ later on about that. '" m ~ : ~ ~iI' ifRff If< flr;m: '"~~~: ~~. it ~ ~~ fI'iI' ~ fflrotfti\' ~ I ~, ~ smr it ;ft;fT fi:rffi ~ <1~4'tl At trus stage, when it is known that these No details are given about the contents arms arc meant to butcher the people of but it is astounding that Asstt. Secretary of Blngla dosh, it is surprising, it is shocking, State of State Department, Mr. David when our Foreign Minister was telling his Abshire, assured the sub-committee of the country that there is so much of goodwill Foreign Relations Committee on north- Cor us in the world, news flashed round the eastern and South Asian Affairs that "nothing world that Padma and SUllderballs are on the is in the Pipeline to Pakistan." Then Senator high 'eas carrying arms from American port. Swingto who is the Chairman of this Com- We do not know the details of the m'ms mittee said that the shipment indicated "the these two ships carry but according to New Stak Department either did not know what Yark Times, which published the picture as was gOiDg .on or deliberately misled the well, they are carryin. items of militalY Committee." State Department's spokesman, iiI Molion re. Slatts by JUNE 28. 1971 Mill. of E. A. ,.~. arllls fo 1\2 Pak. alld his visit abroad [Shri Bhll8wat lha Az!ld) This is not what we Indinns sny, who nre Mr. Charles Bray refused to answer questions supposed to be ngainst America; this is what that two planes given to the Pakistan inter- S"nator Kennedy says, namely, that the national airlines to carry passengers were Nillon Administration, his own Govern- carrying troops to East Pakistan. He refused ment, is more elticicnt in moving military to answer this question. These planes meant h·udware thun hUl1l.lnilarian relief needed for carrying passengers were carrying napalm so badly for Bangia D~sh people. bombs to tbrow on Bangia Desh people. Men invented the planes and the apes got We must appreciate fully that there Rre hold of it to bombard the people of Vietnam Senator Kennedys, High Scotts and Ful- and BanaJa Desh. We want tho Pentagon brights, slill there who in thai pa,l of LJ-e New under the force of public opinion to realise World are seeing the misfortunte, the but- tbat butter and bread are equally necessary chery, the genocide, the plunder,loot, murder for the brothers and sisters all oYer the world and rape by Wesl Pakistan on Bangia Desh as for their own sons and daughters. people. We appreciate them for this. \ The former Consul General of USA in According to a State Department spokes- Dacca, Mr. Archer K. Blood before the man, American militalY sales of these wea- Senate Foreigo Relations Committee behind pons to Pakistan are about ,10 million every closed door called the Bangia refugee pro- year and that also at subsidised rates. What blem in India is worse than the Palestine are the subsidised rates ? 1 would not say refugee issue. But Mr. Blood's controversial that myself. Rpubhcan S~nator Mr. William report was too difficult to be digested by the Saxby nas exposed Lhe mystery of these sur- American Governm~nt and they tried to plus sales. He has said that the pricing policy suppress it. of the Pentagon allows Pakistan to purchase the surplus arms at throw-away prices. Even Mr. Blood is not alone in this truthful at those subsidised rates they are worth $10 assessment of what is going on in Banlla miUion every yearl D:sh. The American press, like the New York Times and the Washington POSI, is All this shows that the American Govern- exposing this black deed of the Pentalon of ment, which professes to show sympathy, sending arms to Pakistan and is opposing it. has not got even a fraction of what we strong- There are conscientious Senators on the ly feel in this part of the world. Why is it Capitol HiU who are protesting against this so? What is the reason ? The answer is shipment and they have done this in the not for to seek. America's Pentaaon and past too. State Department have seen enough mass- acres and have done enough massacres in Senator Republican leader, Mr. Hugh Vietnam. My Lai is a constant prick and Scott and Senator FuUbrilht, Chairman of weighs heavily on the conscience of the the Foreiln Relations Committee, along with civilised world. 24 S:nators, are 5upportinl the Saxby Church Amendment that the whole aid to Pakistan By this Resolution I am appealing to the should be cut off, military and economic, American people to ask the Pentagon to hold till r-=rug~es arc able to return with assurance its hand in support of Pakistan, which is of safety and pride in their own hearth and staging evelY day one 'My Lai' in Bangia home. Desh. My motion is not at all sponsored with any illwiU. What we have seen every The eloquent voice of the Kennedys is still day happening in that New World in the heard. S:nator Kennedy charcterised the name of saving democracy somewhere and ahipment, to quote him, "as dobule talk, in the name of saving the countries from incompetense or both." But the worst and the Communism somewhere else, is a great dis- Ireatest comment of 'Senator Kannedy is:- regard of human values and democracy, that life is worth living. Therefore I would "US was more efficient in moving mili- say that it is essential that we should speak tary hardware than in arranlinl humani- to the American people to stop this massacre, tarian relief," mass killinl and My Lai in BangIa Desh, Motion reo Stalts by ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAKA) Min. 0/ E. A. reo arms to 04 Pak. and hi., visit abroad Now, I come to the second and fourth Some of my friends both inside the Hvuse reasons which are very important. We have and outside may feci that I am too harsh. seen or this sub-continent has seen recently Let us in a couple of minutes understand elections, elections in East Bengal, elections what American Government's behaviour has in India and elections in Ceylon. This sub- been towards our Government. It dates back continent and their people have given a mis- to Truman Administration when John Foster sive m~ndate to their Governments, to the Dulles was in-charge of negotiating a Treaty Awami League Bangabandhu Mujibur Rah- with Japan. Mr. Dulles consulted every man in East Bengal, to Shrimati Indira person and every country in Asia. But not Gandhi in India and to Shrimati Bandranaike Nehru's India and India's Nehru. Mr. Dulles in Ceylon, for a socialistic society which can did not think it proper. be free of hunger and free of fear. These Important incidents. these important happen- Hardly had Dullesian 'Faux Pas' slipped ings in this part of the world are an eye- into limbo, another problem came up and sore to those people who think that they are that was the famine we were facing in 1951. a big brother. America is a big brother and We asked for 2 mmion tonnes of wheat. others are dwarfs to paly and sing to the Well, the American Government saw the tune of the big brother. best opportunity to twist India's arm and wanted the foreign policy to be adjusted as a quid pro quo for wheat. The American I say that this is a calculated move to frus- foreign policy needs are always something teate the BangIa Desh people from setting higher than the fate of Indian people or the up a secular Government. They have falsi- people in this part of the continent. That is fied the two-nation theory by their elections. why the long-extending arms of the statu~ert Those Hindus arc being pushed out. Muslims of Library at New York which is so proudly are being pushed out for, they have voted demonstrated in centimetres and metres to for Bangabandhu Mujibur Rahman whose every traveller in the new world did not six-point programme is, "We want a secular shiver lInder feet to see the butchelY of the Governm~nt and a secular society. No two- same liberty in the BangIa Desh, nation theory. Islam, Hindusm and Chris- tianity will all live together." It is to frustrate Fourteen years after, again, we had to face this that Pakistani junta is being helped by the aggression of Pakistan. The American the so-called free world by shipment of arms President was reminded repeatedly of the and ammunition. assurance given to India that the alms would not be used against India. The American One of my important reasons is that this President did not hear. Rather, on the con- trary, they stopped the ships carrying arms is to upset the whole balance of power in this part of the world. About 7 million supply to India on the high seas. And today. refugees have already poured into India. when India asked for the stoppage of Padma, Sunderbans, Kaukahli and others, the That is more than a territorial threat to our American Government said that it was a country. Our priorities are being changed. legal impossibility. There it was absolutely We have to spend a large amount of all formality-'Immediately stop it.' But, resources in feeding the Pak citizens. Let here it is a 'legal impossibility'. Therefore, not the world feel, when I speak of economic this shows the tendency of how things are difficulties, that they can give us money and being done. Mr. Speaker, we did not worry solve the problem. No. The Government for the stoppage of ships. then. Our Keeler of India are helping the Pak citizens who Brothers and Abdul Hameed with the indi- have become destitute and have come to this genous Gnat blew into jitters the American country to go back to their own country. Sabre Jets and threw into bits the Pattons. But they arc to be helped to go back under The invincibility of American arms was ex- safe conditions, India cannot be a party to posed and they were licking the boots of our the massacre and butchery again of these Army in the plains of the Punjab. , . helpless citizens. Therefore, I say that it is (/nte"upl/ons) a calculated move by the Americans to upsef the entire balance of power in this part of Mr. Speaker, I thought the American ad- the world. miniatratio\l would still realise that we are 115 Motion reo Statts by JUNE 28, 1'71 Min. 0/ E. A. reo arms to 116 Pak. and his visit abroad (Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad) Bangia Desh. Mr. Speaker. it has been diffi- cult to believe the words of the American also a nation which w(mls 10 be takeN into confidence in this part. not alone Pakistan. Government in their recent exposure of the Vietnam secrets. We Indians are not there. But it did not happen anything on that. Neither our people nor the Members of The irritation continues even in the office (r Parliament in USA. Their own Washington the present Prime Mini~trr. When the present Post says that "the United States Adminis- Prime Minister said that India expects tration tried to keep the 19~4 ceneva Con- that bombardment would stop in Victn3m, ference from calling elections throughout sharp came the reaction of the A,nerican Vietnam-North and South." The New York Government and also the President. Cables Timtls has liven a larsc display of the Viet- bristled iroto the Indian capital with the nam secrets under. one word: One thing to word-I quote: one ally, other thing to the other and in action just the contrary. I am not saying this. In "Those ungrateful Indians." every statement I have made, I am supported by the statement of the American senators. This happened under the prescnt Prime Their leading public men have said about Minister'sregim~. this. Therefore, I say, 'What is this demo- cracy?' We want to understand. We wanted Mr. Speaker, so goes the story of the to befriends since 19S2,but, as I have detailed, American Government for the defence of on every occasion, we find that we have not democracy In Vietnam and in this part of been taken into confidence as a democratic the Continent. What a contrast? What a nation and as a friend but the neutralist promise? What a hope? What an action? India and the free world have always been What a gap in the credibility of the promise ditTerentiated. and action? The reccnt joining of America in the pin.- Sir, 1 need not take the House to other pons diplomacy club is also a pointer as to parts of the Americans' help or other things. what the American intentions arc on this I would have given another piece of evidence sub-continent. A smile, Mr. Speaker, is how Amzricans are trying in the economic always infectious. But the smile on the face fields to surround us and help Pakistan but of a dragon is pernicious and this infectious this is not the tim!. I would only content smile from the dragon's mouth of the new myszlf by saying th'\t in the fi!Jd of economic world administrators is much more dangerous. aid, according to the Baltimore Sun to quote, And, therefore. ping-pong diplomacy only of Pakistan is receiving twice as much Ame- indicates what type of democracy China is. rican aid per capita as giant India." Sir, the This Pin.-Pong diplomacy indicates what the lilures speak very eloquently on this. Total American Government wants to do. Do aid-credits and grants given between 1945 they want to serve democracy? The table- and 1965-7339 million dollars to India and tennis teams of Britain and America are not 3423 million dollrs to Pakistan. The per to play sames; but their eyes are on the 800 capita aid is Rs. 108 to India and Rs. 243 million people, for market for their soods, to Pakistan. More than double. 'I love my so that their whole harvest can flourish. Pakistan, threfore, I give them more.' So, I forget that. So says USA Govt. Regarding You must have seen, Mr. Speaker, the loans which we wanted, the loans Biven recent statement that Mr. Wilson was taken between 19S8-68-India 269~ million dollars. for a joy ride when Pakistan aggressed on Pakistan-BOS million dollars. Rs. 38 Per India. When I moved a motion to Quit head in India and Rs. 95 per head in Pakistan. Commonwealth our friends were suscePtible. 2i times more. They said, no, powerful Wilson is a great democrat, a great labour leader, and he must Now, Sir, what for is Pakistan using this have slipped somewhere, but he did not economic aid? Mr. Speaker, for Ions the.( amend for it, till we could know indirectly are using this money to purchase arms-not through a book that the pro-Pakistani ele- apinst ChinA because they arc their good ments in his Foreign office took him for a friends, but aplns! India and now against joy-ride. Now tbe lesson is quite clear that 117 Motion reo Stalts by ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAKA) Min. of E. A. reo arms to 118 Pak. alld his visit abroad the military dictatorial junta are suppressing you-feel that we have been duing every- real democracy in Bangia Desh. thing tu support the people of Bangia Desh. My motion is intended only to bring to SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra): Only the notice of the American people the need some of you. to desist from such action which really go against the very desires that they cherish. SHRI BHAGW AT JHA AZAD: No, some of you not. If you see Mr. Swaran Singh's statement SHRI PILOO MODY:· I said that be- laid on the table, you will see that America cause he said 'some of us OD this side.' has equated India and Pakistan. It says: "They expressed the hope that restraint would SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD: I am be continued on both sides." This is the 17th thankful to him for the correction. He also June statement issued by the American carries wisdom with him. Gov~rnment after our Foreign Minister's visit. Where is the question of equation? We all feel-in that I include him also- Still, it mentions like this. There is another that Government has been doing its level statement which says 'The United States best for the people of BangIa Desh. I must appreciate the efforts of Prince Sadruddin say that the restraint exercised by the Govern- Khan, the UN High Commissioner for Re- ment of India under the leadership of the fugees.' A nice way of complimenting.' Mr. Prime Minister has definitelY brought divi- Khadilkar will be able to say about this. It dends. I ask a fair question: what would is known to this country what Mr. SadrUddin have happened had India gone on with the Khan. an International civil servant. has extreme step in the beginning? Knowing, been doing in Pakistan. He has huge invest- as we do now, the reaction of world opinion. ments in West Pakistan. A long list has been the Americans and their allies would have published recently. It is most unfortunate all sympathised with West Pakistan. that the Amoric1n Government is seeinr. the whole thing with a coloured glass. We have SHRT SAMAR GUHA (Contai): Unfor- seen that the American Government are tunately. my hon. friend is not acquainted doing it since 1951. with developments at the initial stage. Rllt. Mr S... eaker. T Rm surprised to sec the SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD: I do Arab world's stand. we have supported them not yield. and to some of them on their v~ry existence. Mr. M'daviya has just returned from Damas- I know Shri Samar Guha feels differently cus from the Afro-Asian Solidarity Con- and strongly. But I would request him to ference. He did not find one man to support hear the point of view of myself and my and speak to him. It is high time. Mr. Foreign friends on this side. What we say Is that if Minister. we decide how In the national We had gone with the extreme step in the interest of India and also of BangIa Desh, beginning, the entire world opinion-if not and for the security and peace in the sub- all, may be some may only be left out- continent. how we should act in foreign would have gone in favour of Pakistan and policy in Arab world. the lie of Pakistan that India wanted any opportunity to crush Pakistan would have It is in this background that I would like gained credibility abroad. Therefore, I say to say a few words on the second part of the that our Prime Minister correctly assessed the Motion. The policy of India in the last few situation and followed a policy uf restraint. months. since this happening in BangIa D~sh. has been to make an all-out effort to What are we doing now? Our Ellternal . help and support the people of BangIa Desh. Affairs Ministry went round to those ce'lln- We may dift'er possibly on the aspect of re- tries. We have clearly told them that the cognition of Bangia Desh. You may say that bloodshed and cold blooded genocide in recognition may bring immediate dividends. BangIa Deshhas disturbed peace and security . But Government and we on this side-some in this part of the world,on the sub-continent. 119 Motion re. Statts by JUNE 28. 1971 Min. ofE. A. re. arms to 120 Pak. and his visit abroad [Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad) to them we shall sUPl)or\. Therefore, I would The world has been told in unmistakable say that we should go on making efforts terms that there is much greater provocation in this direction. than violation of territorial integrity and territorial aggression. It has been conveyed The Foreign Minister says that he found to world opinion that India's patience has the Capitals to be very favourable saying been ellhausted and she may be compelled that there should be peace and harmony and to take extreme steps. We have not been the refugees should go back to BangIa Desh. lagging behind in helping or in expressing I would like to know if any Government our opinion or preparing. for that matter, was prepared to take up the matter in the for any step which we may have to take United Nations General Assembly or Secu- under compulsion. rity Council. Let not their words of sympathy be like the lunch being given in New York Our Minister of External Affairs made a while at the samc time sending ships with statement on the ftoor of the House after his military equipment to West Pakistan. Let visit to Bonn. Paris. Ottawa. Washington th~ir words c.ury meaning, and m~aning will and London. We now know that these coun- be c3rried only when they go to the world tries have been made to realise that the imme- forum to tell Pakistan to stop this bloody action. diate solution is not a military solution but the cessation of military action immediately With these words I move this motion. in Bangia Desh. I would request my Govern- Our Government and all our people are on m:nt to continue to press upon world opinion the side of BangIa Desh. Let the Govern- that security, peace and harmony in this part m~nt, under the Prime Minister's leadership, of the world has been threatened. Let the continue to make afforts seriously to bring international community be made to realise about a settlement favourable and acceptable this. to the people of Bangia Desh under Mujibur Rahman. SHRI PILOO MODY: Swaran Singh- go back. MR. SPEAKER: Shri Vajpayee. SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD: This SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): Simi- sort of remark shows how seriously he is lar motions were tabled by us. looking at this. I speak with my heart but he speaks with his tongue. I speak with an SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai): Almost awareness of the sympathies which We have at the same time a similar motion was given. for Bangia Desh_ I would tell the Prime Minister and our Government that the world MR. SPEAKER: The motions were in powers must be told that the flow of refugees identical terms as this motion and that is why to India from BangIa Desh must be stopped. they are not moved. Of course, those who Let them not say that they are sending us gave notice will also participate. relief. The relief that they are sending is less than to per cent of what India is spending on 13.00 hrs. refugees from BangIa Desh. Therefore. we have to emphasize that these people have to 'll a!'\II' ~ ~ (~) go back to their hearths and homes. but a{~ ~, fimr li":fT ~ ariA; Wf 'fiT We cannot allow them to go back to be bat- chered. Therefore.conditions must be created mr rn 1frof ~ ~ I ~: ~ awft in B~ngla Desh for their return, and there- lfT'lfT~ qfurmjl ~~ ~ I ~ ~~ fore it is essential that world opinion must fltilIT ~ flti iiI'1rffi' ~ ~ ~ it m I had occasiOli to spend three days on the .The problem of refugees, mighty, massive borders of West Bengal. 1 was able to see though it be, is only a procedural issue, a so many camps where lakhs of refugees are concomitant of the cruelty inflicted on staying. The sight there is really pathetic the people of Bongla Desh-by the ."rope and heart-rending. I exchanged views with of Democracy". The problem is not, going many cvacuee.. and I found'in thcm a steely to be solved by mere relief and rehabiiita. ditermination to go back to Bangia Desh. tion. We need the assistance of othcr I'bey are IIOt here to take the doles of the countrie.s because it is a hulllllRitarian (Milan Government or any other Government. problem. But this massive probtem has Ihey want to wage a telentlea battIe again" been thrust on US by Pakistan at a time DPPI'OMion in their country. Some of our when we Indians were trying to unite our- frieads PlObably feel that these refugees are selves on the issue of the abolition of IIOina to be here permanently. After meeting poverty. We have given a commitment to these brethren who are fighting for demo- our people who have suffered under cracy and freedom. I can authoritativdly say Imperialist power for centuries, to aboilsh that the bulk of them want to go back to J;IOverty. We have risen to a man and had Bangia Desh because they are fighting the tUen a decisWn under the enlightened lead- !tattle of freedom and democracy.· Tha t is ership of our PrIIlJ4l I\finister that We will lIie ~ sitution, make an itoP\lst "ort to abolish ptoverty. 163 Mol/on re. Stat/so by JUNE 28, 1971 Min. of E. A. reo arms to 164 Pak. and his visit abroad) [Shri Henry AustinI the other countries and apolitical solution When we undertook this battle, here can be achieved by consolidating and mobi- comes a situation the like of which the lising internal public opinion. I had prefaced my observations by saying that Sardar world has not seen so far. When we arc Swamn Singh has taken a new step in orga- struggling for economic emancipation of nising public opinion. At non-governmental the poor, here comes the mighty level opinion is really consolidated in every power, the 'United States, calling it- part of the country and the machinations of self a sister democracy, assisting the war international power politics cannot preserve machine of the dictator of Pakistan, a its consolidated position; it has got to melt country which could never implement de- before the opinion organised by the intelli- mocracy or democratic process in the llist gentsia and journalists and the idealists the 23 years, which is spreading the message of world over. Even as public opinion is melting dectatorship and totalitarianism. This is that in Great Britain, in Canada and in the greatest tTllgedy of the age. So the situa- Netherlands, other countries will also follow tion is not one to be solved by relief and suit. I believe that this should be the solution. rehabilitation. We may perhaps accept help I wish to appeal to the Opposition leaders. from other countries but the basic question We can easily say that recognition will solve is this: why have these millions of people the problem, as if it is the panacea for all our some to this country? Have they come here ills. Our Foreign Minister and the Prime to occupy our lands and live here on our Minister are treading a delicate path and we doles? No, they have come here because have to give them our support, our under- they know that here is a country which res- standing and sympathy and appreciate the pects democracy, which respects the higher delicate nature of the situation. We sIwuld all values of lifc. stand united and mobilise publie opinion; l~.OO lin. then I am sure political solution will be I had occasion to speak with three or four achieved. I do not want to dilate on the con- M.Ps. of BangIa Desh on the borders of tent or the nature of the political solution that West Bengal. They were in the border and will help repatriation of the refugees. Today they told us that every minute that they when we are discussing this problem, let us spent there was wested. They wanted to be put up a united stand, whether we are in the on their holy land of BangIa Desh and do Opposition or on the ruling side, and focus attention on this problem of Bangia Desh. away the Government that is suppressing When once we stand united I can assure you democracy there. When I heard the deter- that world opinion will follow suit. mination of those people I felt what mighty people they were and I thought that we should SHRI SHY AMNANDAN MISHRA all gQ to their aid because here are 75 million (Begusarai): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, I concede people struggling for democracy. Even as the point made by the previous speaker that these M. Ps. of BangIa Desh thanked us for tnis is not the time to settle accounts with the the massive sympathy that was shown by Government but to decide upon a national India, they told us: you are thinking of six policy which might prove to be a rallying or eight million refugees who have come tQ point for the nation. The Government haa India but what about 69 or 70 million people almost lost sight of the national consensus in BangIa Desh? They are equally refugees that had been evolved earlier on this issue- because they do not want to live under a that has been very much in evidence latterly. military regime. How tQ solve this basic, We find now, that as a result of the syste- substantive problem? For this we have go matic policy of the Government, we are to mobilise purlic opinion. Everyone knows landed in an unprcccdentedly difficult situa- that India is not a warmongering country. tion and a terrible mess. This is so because When Kashmir was. attacked, when India the Government could not identify or define was attacked, when' similar situations arose the national interests in the emerging Bangia in other parts of the world, we always wanted Desh situation. And this has happened right peace and our massage was for peace, for from the very beginning. a peaceful settlement. NQbody wants war. Then how can we continue in this situa~ However, I would readily acree, without *ion? It i~ her~ thllt WQ W!lll~ ~lIe support of any reservation,:" or qualificatioll, that the 16S Motion reo Statta by ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAKA) Min. of E. A. reo arms to 166 Pak. and his visit abroad six-nation tour of the Foreign Minister was this hesitancy and reluctance 01' the part of absolutely necessary, whatever its result. these Governments to do what is their duty But, it must be admitted, at the same time, by the humanity. In any case, it is quite that it has not met with the expected success clear that they do not feel very strongly or the desperately·needed response from the about this human tragedy nor have they important countries which he visited. been stirred to their depths by it; they con- tinue to think in terms of the old power It has also been a case, to my mind, of pattern in this region, and they would do delayed diplomacy of the Government of absolutely nothing which would do injury India, which again is quite in keeping with to this power pattern. the throughly inadequate approach of the Government to the whole situation. Perhaps, Impliedly, there is also the sinister accep- Pakistan had already covered much of the tance of the condominium or the 'sphere of ground before the hon. FoIeign Minister and influence' idea of China in this region. The a host of other Ministers of the Government fear on their part is mainly governed by the of India condescended to descend upon the apprehension that there might be Chinese world capitals. intervention in the affair. Therefore, it can be said that the countries of the world have It has been rightly emphasised by many impliedly accepted the sphere of influence hon. Members that the human tragedy on of China in this region. such a vast scale had not occurred in our recent memory. Since perhaps Hitler's ex- Pakistan, it is also very clear, has much termination of the Jews, it had been the most greater manoeuvrability in international heart-rending episode of genocide in history. affail'!'. In fact, this mcnocuvrability is truly It has been rightly emphasised by my hon. fantastic, for it can easily get away with the frierid, Prof. Mukerjee, that it is an inter- worst crime against humanity. Not only national calamity the like of which we have this. It can secure what ever assistance and not seen since the founding of the United support it requires from the countries of the Nations Charter. Perhaps no people in the world to pursue its pastime of genocide. world had paid sllch a heavy price for inde- pendence as the people of Bangia Desh. So far as a political settlement is con- cerned, I have no manner of doubt in my Yet what has been the response of the mind, that what the countries of the world international community to the call of huma- think is a settlement to the satisfaction of nity, what has been their response to President Yahya Khan and not to the satis- the awful tragedy which is still continuing-- faction of the people of Bangia Desh. Un- not that it has been a matter of the past? less we get out of the mind all these illusions or delusions, We can not face this issue A few things, to my mind, are quite clear squarely. after the odyssey of the Foreign Minister to the foreign capitals of the world. I was a little surprised that the Foreign Minister did not say in his statement much India, thanks to the policy of the Govern- about the response that has been made by ment, now seems to have acquired the status the UN. The UN still continues to be in- of a taken-for-granted nation in the world. humanly mute, passive and impotent. . It Pakistan has to be caressed, cajoled and does not even care to ensure conditions in pamr>el'cd, and India has to be sympathised which the convention on genocide could be with and commiserated. That seems to be fulfilled. So the convention on genocide the :lttitClde of the countries or the world. remains an exercise in rhetoric or demo- gagy. SccoICdly, the international community does not consider it an intern:'t;"nal calamity The international community is also not even now, of a colossol magnitllde. It still prepared to do anything to help India to con~iders it essentially a tnlttCI relating to defend herself against the new· styie Pak the domestic jurisdiction of Pakistan. Let aggression. As I have emphasised on an us be quite clear about it. ADd therefore all earlier occasion, it is nothing less than an Mih. OIl!. A. tt. arlit) to Puk, alld /,is visit abroad (Shri Shyal11llandan Mlshra) be. Its Security Council has not thought it agression by Paltistan and this aagression necessary to do anything. lIN to !Ie vacated. Thcre docs not aecm to be any inkling from the statement that the Finall.Y, I would like this Government to countries of the world have agreed with the do something positive to show to the US Foreian Miniiter of India Ihat India has a Govt. that the People of the country are right to defend herself against this aggre ssion. definitely displeased with thorn. The least that. thc Government of kndia could brine I am also surprised at the. attilude of tb. itself todo in this mattel is to recall its Am- two supor powers. The attitude of one super bassador. for long consultation. . keep him power is, indeed, unmistakably pro-Pakistan, bere~DDt that I ask the Ambassador to be aD attitude of active aid and abetment to finally recalled. tet him be called for 10011 the aenocide by Pakistan. But the attitude conSUltation and let us not send him back of the Soviet Union also, as is evedent from till they revise their stand and there.is proper the eorwnuniQue issued after the medina of response front that Government .. our Foreian Minister with his counterpart, is. Q~te di$Bppointing. Let us not hope that The Government should also refuse any thl;)' are going to be of much help in. this aid for refllge.e rehabilitation from Ihe United matter. Relatively, I might say, the attitude States, because we cannot take poison from of Canada and UK has been' more forth- one hand and petty pittance fro~ another. right and. encourapng. S~Ull DINESJi SINGJt" (Pratapgarh)"; . Now that. it is fairly clear that India Is Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, my colleague. Shri beina rapidly driven to the last C9u~arid Bh~wat Jha Aud. has put fhe case. aliainst the drama might proceed with tbe inevit- the US· supply of arms .to Pakistan. rhost ability of the Greek tragedy-what are the admirably, He "has pointed out to the }louse courses indicated to us? .In a momenl, I shaU how \J~lted. States has been using double make a few suggestions. Standards in its dealings with India and Pakistan and how over a period of time it Government cannot hibernate in a world has been trying to support Pakistan against India. Now what I shall try to place before make-believe or feed the people OB iUusory the House is where do we go from there. hopes. The political and social fall-outs· of the sit_tion are lIOiDg to be enormous. My suaestion is that the Prime Minister should The Foreign Minister's latest tour of the address an appeal to the countries of the capitals of some of the important western world through this Parliament that the ceuntries and the Soviet Union has shown situation is soon goillil to cross the lintit of that the problems that we are facing have a tolerance. J would have advised her to under- «:ommon root, the malaise is an inte8l'al tIIke a trip to the capitals of the world to whole, while we BYe tl')'ing to grapple with I8Ilnd the fillal warning, but sinceollrForeign different .f1WeS thllt It presents itself with, Minister has come with a very disappointina Whether it is the question of US supply of re&pODIe from them, I would not suae&t arms ttl PakBtan,or the question of repres- that course. I would also like the Prime sion and butchery in Banaladesh, or tbo Minister's appeal to be directed to the UN denial of democraay throughout Pakistan, to do aometbillil positive 10 stop the killing, Dr the forcing out of refusees and other to restore peace and do aM that is nI\CCssary plOblems on us, the basic problem remains to satisfy the people of Ballilla D~sh. She tbe same. The real issue is the altempt of should ask the major powers, particularly the West to maintain (he balance of power the major aid-givers, to apply their economi«; between India and Pakistan in South Asia. power to stop the madness of Pakistan. Let us not forget that it was these powers which carved out Pakistan and created It I also do not quite undol'lllllad'~' we only in the hope that it will be an effective can think of sending any delelllldonw lIJt check against I ndia,that the balance of power UN General Assembly when this Il'CBt lIod,. would be 80 arranged that they will be abl, is not active in the manner in which it should 10 lilt it as and when liIe), like. .~ MolioJl reo Slal/s by ASA~HA 7, 1193 (SAKA) Mill. 0/ E. A. re, Qrmj to 1. Pak. and his visit abroad Then came the evenls in Bangladesh which real question is: what are tbey willin, to de clIposed the weakness of Pakistan. A State for India? What is it they are wiUin, to do to estllblished on colonial intrigue based on get to the bottom of the basic problem and ~e\iaious biaotry and hatred, maintained I am sorry, Sir, the Foreign Minister's two I:!Y ~h~ for~ of ~r~s against the dllmocratic slatements do not give any reply to this ques- urges of the people, catlOOI be a viable unit tion as to whal are they willing 10 do to find and it cannot last. It must either adjust Ihe solution-not in terms of giving some itself, beiJP 10 the wWtes of the people or it money to run the refugee camps but how are will break up. This is the position they were they going 10 solve this problem Ihat has faced with in Pakistan a few monlhs ago. arisen. It is in this context Ihat the discussion today becomes relevant specially as in about When the Bangladesh problem hit the an hour's time President Yahya Khan is ileadlines al\ over the world, India and due to make a stalement to give his idea of Pakistan watchers held their breath. They a political solution. Therefore, it beCOntell were watching and waiting to see what we all the more important for us to keep our were going to' do, whether we could act objectives straight in mind as to what is it that we would wish to see in Bangia Desk. decisively and whether we would act deci- sively. It is my submission, Sir, that in those My friend, Mr. Bhagwat Jha Azad, said very valuable days, weeks and months that that we should not have acted earlier. I am followed the peoples' uprising tin Bangla- afraid I cannot agree wilh him. He said if desh we deliberated. we collected testimonials we had acted earlier then maybe the world of good· behaviour and patience but we opinion would not have been with us. But failed to act decisively, which could have what is our objective? Is il 10 collect testi- turned the tide. Because of this, Pakistan monials from the world or is the objective has regained its vilidity and Pakistan has to establish certain values to see thaI the llgain been able to estahlish that it can be an democratic urges are fulfilled, to prevent effective check and balance India. Therefore, large numbers of people from beina killed we notice a swing back in those countries as they were killed by Paki81a~; 10 prevent which were waiting and holding breath and millioll5 of people from havina 10 leave thoir not makiDg Ray commitment. Suddenly homes as forced 10 do by Pakistan. If the they realised that Pakistan is still active, they choice was presented 10 me between Ihese Ilian prQl! it up, Ihcy can support it and thoy Iwo I do IIOt see that there could be any IIIJl mlloke it a growing concern. Of course, option. they knew that there will be embarrassmenta. There have been embarrassments, whelher We have, Sir, refugees loday-Iarge number it is Ihe question of genocide, or the butchery of refugees-and they still continue to come· What is it !Ie are going to do and Ihis is !Uld repression, or 'ood of refulJeCs tltat tlle really the crux of the mailer? I entirely agree hav.e co,me h4:re, er the crilical public opiniOJl with my friend, Shri Bhagwat Iha Azad, at home and of the press, but these are not Ihal we need 10 impress on the world COIllmU- situations that they have not dcalt with before. nity thaI tbis line of duplicily of supplyina T\lese are situations which these oo\ll\lries arl1lB on the one hand and showina sym- are quite used to. Take Vietnam, for exam- pathy on the other is not goina to work out ple, where they have been doing this for a aDd I have every sympathy with my friend, 10llg time and where ~heyare only now ~ing the Foreign Minister. About the time he exposed. Still they' continue because Ihey c;ame back home 10 make the announcement f~el that over a pc:riod of time if they an on that the United States had alll'eed not to telling lie~, if they go on forcing their will, give arms 10 Pakistan contrary disclosures may be others will agree. These are not l1CW wore made. I only hope they \Wile not en- tactics. As you know, Sir, Hitler also Iried ginee~ in that way. These disclosures came them with considerable success for a period and again they pul us in Ihe same difficulties. of time. The West also know that they can always show senerosity, they can always on Now, the queslion which is uppermost ia humanitarian &Tounds send money for the evo~"~'s mind is how do we pc,rs\Uldc thll refugees and th The Awami League leader, Mr. Mujibur SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI Rehman and his followers are too suber for (Bhubancswar): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the Russian palate. In a long struggle, their the U.S. Administration has a peculiar knack. real friends would have a better opportunity of supporting dictatorial and rea(,tionary re- to rise to power. A state of high flux in our gimes al\ oVer the wodd and it has also an- disturbed north-east would also be welcome. other knack of turning its friends into So, what do they do? They say to U', don't enenlies. intervene, and they do not give us aid for refugees. They do not care for us. They At this juncture in Asian history, when protect their own interest. Their own interest millions of people arc trying to escape from takes precedence over their friendship with slavery of dictatorship, in Bangia Desh the us. U. S. Administration had got one great opportunity in Asia to revive its image which The Chinese want even a longer struggle. was tald in the Vietnam war. But, unfor- So, they tacitly support represession, knowing tunately, the U.S. Administrationhas lost this full well that their thought is the standard great opportunity. I think, after the people textbook for wars of national liberation. of India and Bangia Desh and the whole of They want Chittagong as a naval base, and humanity have taken serious objection and it matters little to them whether they get have eVen condemned the action of the U.S. it from an emaciated Pakistan, or an activist Administration as they spoke so sweetly to Bangia Desh. They Certainly do not care our Foreign Minister on the one hand and about us. sent armaments of death and destruction to Pakistan, the U.S. Administration will take How can we ever hope to have our legiti- note of the condemnation of the world com- mate sphere ('f influence if we cannot protect munity. eVen our own vital interests in our immediate vicinity 1 It was our vital interest that f[ee- J5.40_ hrs. dom at our door-step should not have been repressed by genocide. We allowed it to (SHRI K. N. TIWARY ill the Chair) happen. It was in our vital interest to stabi- lise our north-east. We have missed the bus. There are certain specific points Which, It was in our vital interest that we should not I think, should be highlighted. There is no have been burdened with 6 million refugees. dispute about Bangia Desh. So far as I am Still, the refugees are here, and we have to concerned, I am quite clear that it is just look after them. like a dawn. When it has dawned, it has become a fact. Bangia Desh is acknowledged This Government has been elevated to a as a fact in-almost all over the world by certain status. I call upon the Government the people and the press and even the news- to descend from that elevation and plant papers in Western countries are using the both its feet firmly on the ground. Let us word 'Bengla Desh" more and more than tell the world that it is vitally important to even the people in our country are using. us that conditions should be created to enable And it has come to stay. The paradox of 6 million r,,[ugees, that We now have to look the situation to-day is perhaps that we have after, to go back to their country, in peace recognised the Governm~nt of Bangia Desh 177 MOllon M. Slalls by ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAKA) Min. 0/ E. A. reo arms 01 178 Pak. alld his visit abroad in all its aspects but are not using tbe word favouring an independent East Pakistan . • recognition.' One thing should be made and a strong likelihood of wide-spread clear from the beginning. It is not a con- famine this autumn." ftict between India and Pakistan. It is the struggle of the sevenly million people of The report is quite clear that the Freedom Bangia Desh 10 save themselves froln oppres- Fighters of Bangia Desh are fightirig the sion and from a dictatorship which used to battle and they must succeed in the end. keep them in bondage for the last 23 years. Y am sorry that some friends here or in this Therefore, Ihis is a revolution by the people country are defeatists. They say that the of Bangia Desh. People fought against Ihe battle is lost. Sir, the liberation wars can Fascist Hitler in those days and loday we never be lost and it will coutinue. . . find the reinearnalion of Hiller in Yahya (Interruptions) Mr. Samar Guha, let us try to Khan and when Yahya Khan has taken up help them. You are helping. I am very happy. the task of annihilating one million people in Bangia Desh and he has sel a target to kill I am quite confident that with the support 2 million people, I hope Ihe freedom loving of the freedom-loving peoples ali the world people of the whole world will come to the over and the entire nation and the Govern- assistance of the valiant Freedom Fighters ment of India the liberation struggle that the of Bangia Desh and its suffering people in Mukti FOllj volunteers are to-day fighting this difficult hour. In the Second World War in Bangla-desh will triumph. If one million when the people were fighting the Fasci.t people had been killed and young women Hitler and Germany in those days, attempts raped, the conscience of the world, I am sure, were made by the Fascist countries to set will not be a silent spectator at these horrors. up puppet governments. History repeats and it is no wonder and surprise that Yahya Today world community is coming to its Khan also to-day tries to set I1p a quisling senses. If our Ministers arc going abroad, government in Dacca with a handful of it is not simply for lunches and dinners. I obliging politicians and if Yahya Khan sets hope world community is trying to listen up a quisling government, I am sure the to what our Ministers have to say. It is not people of BangIa Desh will not tolerate it. that We have not succeeded. We cannot say Therefore, we keep our options always open. that Pakistan only is succeeding in every- We have always stood, India has always thing, and we are failing. It is not so. If we stood, against all sorts of imperialism and say that those persons who have been in- colonialism, either it is American or of any strumental in killing many millions of people other brand. We cannot tolerate colonialism are succeeding, it is not a kind word for any- in any part of the world. Sir, it is not a con- body who loves democracy. We should not fiiet between India and Pakistan. It is a fight always go with a defeatist mentality. 6 million against colonialism. It is a fight against refugees have come to us. It may go on in- colonial domination. It is a fight for the creasing. The point is this: Is there enough same objective which India has fought in the space in India to keep them. I sugle.t that past and has won. 25 miles area from the border in Bangia Desh can be kept free where these 6 or 7 million I would try to point out three points and refugees can be settled. They will he settled I hope the Government will try to see if there there; they will live there. I hope Govern- is any way to find a solution. Mr. Kargin, ment will take this up in right earne.t to Director of the World Bank's South Asia reserve 25-mile border in Bangia Desh so Department, w'ho came with theioint Mission that these refugees could be settled there. I to see Bangia Desh has said in his report: hope in this the world community and the Government of India will come together "They found a continuing reign of and find a solution. terror in East Bengal conducted by West Pakistani troops there; the shatlering of I do not find anything incongruous in urban life, with some towns having left this kind of solution. It is a question of having with only 10% of the population; paralYSis 25 miles of free territory where you settle of economy, demolished transportation the persecuted pcople, The entire world notwork; active Bucrilla resistance by those community will com~ tQ your rescue and the 179 Molion re. Stalls by JUNE 28, 1971 Min. olE. A. reo Qf'nuto 180 Pak. and his visit abroad (Shri Chintamani Panigrahi) for it and be ready for it. We have to see Government of India also will come to your that our sinews of war are geared up so that aid. I hope these things will be taken into we meet the situation effectively, consideration. SHRI PILOO MODY: Mr. Chairman, The entire approach of the western powers to begin with, I must register my protest is to see that only the Asian countries engage against, and condemnation of, that the US Government has done on the assurance themselves in internal quarrels. If you analyse the figures, you will see this. From the Second that it had given to our Foreign Minister. World War, till 1969-70 the six or seven in- Either there must have been some considera- dustrialised countries of the world have ble misunderstanding on the part of our helped about 52 under-developed countries Foreign Minister, which is not unusual, or with the following items:- there must have been some considerable misunderstanding on the part of the Ameri- 9000 combat aircrafts can Government about what our Foreign Minister wanted, which is also not unusual, 2500 transport aircrafts because after reading several reports from 4000 training aircrafts several papers, I have still not been able 2000 helicopters to construe as to what is on those ships that 15000 tanks were supplying arms to Pakistan. 10000 armoured personnel carriers I am told India is developing an agency 3000 armoured cars like the CIA and the KGB, and it is known 300 warships as RAW-I do not know what it means. 800 petrol crafts J am told we have several of these agents of 400 amphibian vessels, submarines ours, 'Cow-boys', named after the head of and other equipments. the branch, Mr. Kao. When we have got them in those countries, why cannot they Therefore. these big powers were foisting their supply us with information which should arms on the third world countries. They be available really to anybody as to what wanted to consolidate their peace and they is on board these ships which are being wanted to sell their arms to the Asian and loaded in public in New York, a big harbour. African countrie. so that they may fight with Nobody seems to know what is being sup- each other and keep the cold war alive. We I'ed. The American Government is rather should invite the attention of the countries cagey about what is has supplied. Therefore, of Asia. Why should the Minister go to I am inclined to suspect the supplies that are Washington alone? Why can't he go to on those particular ships, and I think it is a Rangoon. Indonesia and all round us, in condemnable behaviour from any point of Asian continent? We have to build up our view. case. We have to expose the game of the world powers. We love peace; we want to be As Shri Dinesh Singh, and I think also in peace with our neighbours. For Bangia Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad said, we had similar Desh, we have a special responsibility. As assurances in the past from the US Govern- defender of peace, we have to help them. ment. These assurances have been broken. For all practical purposes, there is emergency While speaking on my own adjournment there. Therefore I would suggest this. Why motion on the supply of Soviet arms aid to cannot Government set up a National Emer· Pakistan, I made this point very categorical, gcncy Council, where all interests will be there, and J think it needs reiterating, that when to see what is happening from day to day 1 governments deceive us in this fashion. there Almost emergency is there in the eastern must be something wrong not only with those region. The present situation, although it is governments but also with us. As far as the not a war actually, I. almost a war-like situa- us Government is conc~med, it is not only tion. Therefore, for all practical purposes, deceiving us, it is deceiving its own people, there is national emergency. The situation as my hon. friend, Shri Manoharan, said. may develop into something serious in a It is something that is inherent in their week or a month, We have to be prepared system; their Government tries to d«eive III Motion rt. Statts by ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAlU) Min. olE. A. re. arms to 182 Pak. and his visit abroad their Senate, the Senate tries to deceive the position to send them back? I know that this House of Representatives and the House of Government, in the past very often, has Representatives, in tum, tries to deceive the tried to put tooth paste back into the tube President, and they all try to deceive the and our Foreign Minister has been doing this people (Interruptions). These friends may not for years, but I do not think that this is JUinI understand it. This is what is commonly to happen. Even if such conditions are known as democracy, It is only in a demo- created in Bangia Desh, I do not think that cracy that one organ of government and it is going to happen. another organ of the same government will try to play game with each other. each trying I would like to warn this Government. to put through its own point of view; it is I do not want them to go into a war thinking only in a controlled and guided democracy on the one hand that they are going to find such as we are trying to create in this country some solution of the problem and be struck that everybody must think alike. up with the refugees simultaneously for al\ Now I would like to come to the question time to come. because this would be gettinl of Bangia Desh. I do not think this Govern- the worst of the deal. Therefore, a certain ment has ever defined as to what are its long- amount of reasonableness has to be applied. term interests v;s-a-.,;s Pakistan. I do not think it has ever bothered to think that this SHRI AMRIT NAHATA (Barmer): entire issue of Banala Desh and the refugees Restraint. are intimately tied in with our own attitude towards Pakistan. I do not think anybody SHRI PJLOO MODY: I wish they know knows: I do not think the Government the word "restraint" meant. Then. they knows, I do not think the Foreign Minister would not be shouting in this fachion. Please knows, I do not think the Prime Minister use some restraint. knows and, therefore, I do not know. Althoulh the Government docs not define I do not know what is the objective of this how it is going to achieve this objective. I Government. It has defined a policy vi,. find al1 that they are trying to do is to send a-vis Bangia Desh. It says it is a conftct a lot of delegations abroad. Travelling ab- between Pakistan and Bangia Desh. At road has now become the privilege of Parlia- least they have come to the point where they ment and we have al1 manner of Ministers differentiate between the two. They say it travelling abroad. trying to explain to other must be settled consistant with the aspirations people what could be better explained by of the people of Bangia Desh. creating con- our legations abroad. I am unhappy to ditions for the return of the refugees with point out to this House that Muslim Minis- security, dignity and honour. I do not think ters have been sent to Muslim countries. there is anybody in the world who disputes I thought that we had finished with our the objectives of this Government. I do not elections and it was not necessary to do this think there is any country in the world sort of thing. Or, is it that we are going to which says that it should not be so. Other have a repetition of what happened at Rabat. countries are in the fortunate position of Sh'ri K. D. Malaviya came back from Damas- being able to say so and then forget about cus. I do not know what he was doing there. it, but unfortunately, because of the presence anyway I thank him because he brought me of something like 60 lakhs of refugees in some chocolates. I am told Shri Fakruddin our country. it is not possible for us to forget is rather ill, he has got a chill or some such it. Ami with what pious hopes was this ex- thing. In the circumstances, I do not know plained by some with their tongue in their what be i. going to do. Then We h,ve our checks; Dr. V. K. R. V. Rao at the top of durable Mr. Swaran Singh, He can travel his VJic~, Shri Bhlgwat JIH Azad with great anywhere al1 the time, nothing ever happens r~.\sonableness, Shri Dinesh Singh in his to him. He is the most durable Minister that ui.1dertones, Shri Vajpayee wi1!, his drama, this country has produced. On his return Shri ShY:lmnandan Mi.;ra \I·ilh his reason- from another luxuriating trip ovcr five or ableness, they all say thaI these people must six Capitals of the world. he has produced ao back, but has anybody ever asked the this document and he bas pattend himself on rcfureesiftheywantto go back? Are we in a the back for having produeed these statements. 113 Motion n. Statts by JUNE 28, 1971 Mi". (1/ E. A. r~. arm,"o Pak. a"d his visit abroad SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I never patted "The joint statement in Moscow at myself on the back. I do not want any pat the end of his talks there on June 9 was from you either. presented in Delhi as a diplomatic triumph for India though the text was positively 1...... discouraging for this country, much more so tban the ~tatement jointly issued in SHRI PILOO MODY: If you just read London by the Indian and British Foreign the statement that he made, which incident- Ministers. If there were any unrecorded ally is not in the joint statements, you will understandings between Mr. Swaran Singh find he i~ patting himself on the back. I would and his Russian hosts, they did not come like to pat him on the back for only one through in the statements by Mrs. Gandhi. reason, and that was the statement that was As recent history proves, Moscow has the issued by the Deputy Prime Minister of power to make Islamabad see reason if Canada. This was the one statement which it makes up its mind to do so. Therefore, was not a joint statement and that is why if the External Affairs Ministry'S optimistic perhaps it was a good statement. This is interpretation of Moscow's mind is correct what the Deputy Prime Minister of Canada then Mrs. Gandhi's peSSimism is not, and said in their Parliament: vice versa." "All of us are pressing for a political This optimistic diplomatic triumph of the solution. It is the only possible way of Foreign Minister, which my friends were dealing with the present situation. Unless pointing our, is that after the Russians had there is a political settlement in Pakistan, extracted from our Foreign Minister all the refugees are going to remain in India their propaganda regarding peace and good and continue to be a thorn on the side will towards men, termination of war in of peace. . . " Indo-China and the political settlement of the Middle-East crisis and ensuring European thorn on the side of pe3ce, not India, security and achieving general and complete disarmament, then becam e there was some , thorn in the side of peace, ifI may time left, the statement continues: put it that way. Therefore we are all work- ing with everything at our command and "During the negotiations was also using every possible means of impressing discussed the serious situation created by on the Pakistan Government the need for a the continuing stream of millions of re- settlement, one that is democratic and fugees from East Pakistan. . . " made under civilian contro!." What does it say? At least he i. impressing on the Pakistan Government. He goes on: "The Minister of External Affairs of India expressed his sincere thanks for the "_ _ . the preferred settlement, or frank and clear understanding of the dif- course, would be one in which those -in- ficulty of this situation expressed in the dividuals who have been elected pursuant message of the Chairman of the Presidum to the recent election in Pakistan should of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, Mr. b~ given the responsibility of governing N. V. Podgorny to the President of Pakistan, particularly East Pakistan." Pakistan." This is a statesman like statement. Quite He expressed satisfaction about what Pod- unfortunately it was made unilaterally by the gorny had written to Yahya. The statement Canadian Deputy Prime Minister. As far as continues. the joint statements are concerned, the less said about them, the better. I should like to . in which the conviction was ex- go to the Soviet statement because it seems pressed that the resort to peaceful methods to be a full and rounded one. I think that it for achieving political settlement would is worth n"tieing what Mr. Pran Chopra correspond to the interests of the entire has to say about this in the Hinduslan Times: Pakistani people. , , " ISS ilolion reo Slaltl by ASADHA 7, 11193 (SAkA) Min. ofE. A. reo ariris to i86 Pak. and his visit abroad I just do not understand. Words have mean- question of Bangia Desh, there were many ing. You cannot put words together in this aspects of foreign policy which were not fashion and think that somebody can get strictly relevant to this, and it contained any m~aning out of it. Sincere thanks 1 For many fallacies. First of all, with regard to what purpose? A writes a letter to B and Mr. the purposes, whatever may be in the know- Swaran Singh thanks them 1 What is in that ledge of the ruling party, we are not to know letter'/ He says that we must do things by the secret of these purposes. There is no. peaa:ful methods. And Mr. Swaran Singh obligation on a Foreign Minister, when he goes and thanks them again. 1 do not under- goes out, to say what he is going for. In stand. This is no way of dealing with the certain Parliaments, when Ministers go out situation. on missions, then there is a debate before that a nd soon after they return, so that we AN HON. MEMBER: What is your can know what had happened in those coun- solution? tries. But, since this has not happened, we would wait for the speech of the Foreign SHRI PILOO MODY: I am glad there is Minister to find out what he went for, or at least one over-eager Member. We have on Whether it was merely an exploratory visit our hands a large number of people whom which would also be purposeful in its own we shall have to rehabilitate either here or way. in Pakistan or in Bangia Desh; we shall have to rehabilitate them. For the rehabilitation Then, we come naturally to the statement of those refugees we have to set aside vast made by the Mover of this Resolution, which resources. But before we approach this pro- cannot be regarded as merely a private blem, we need certain basic information; Member's attempt, because he belongs to we need information on conditions in Bangia the ruling party and he is a man of great .Desh today, from week to week. We need experience and courage. 1 would not, there- to know what our Foreign Minister did fore, say that the gravamen or the grievance abroad,-not merely a statement-who he merely lies in the United States not con- met, whom he talked to and what was their sulting us from 1955 onwards. 1 say-this reaction. And we need to know the extent is not charging him-that it is a very fallacious of foreign relief which we receive from week foreign policy to think or to expect that the to week. United Stales should consult us on foreign policy; it is totally damaging to any country I think that in sum total, the problem of under all circumstances. You cannot expect these refugees of Bangia Desh is going to be that she will come and tell us what she is a long-term one. There is no point in getting going to do, how much of arms she is going hot-headed about it. My friend Prof. Samar to send to Turkey, how many bases she has Gulta said, recognise Bangia Desh. I would got, or whom she is going to kill, or how say, recognise them if it were to yield to you much money on the CIA is going to be spent, any result today. Recognise them whenever or how many bombs will she drop on Oki- you think that it is going to yield any result nawa tomorrow morning. We cannot get to you. Take whatever action; we are all smoh things from them. If in this country, behind you. All I would say is that you take our Parliament and individuals expect a kind action and let it be purposeful, and keep us of fraternal under.tanding in this way, it is and take us into confidence and tell us, so a misreading of the political solution. that you can carry the country with us and not divide the country on an issuoe such as It is quite true that in 1954, the first arms this. sale was concluded with Pakistan; the first large sale of arms was given to Pakistan. It SHRI KRISHNA MENON (Trivandrum): proceeded from a basis of deceit and betrayal, Mr. Chairman, Sir, I had understood the because at the end of the Geneva Conference, purpose of this debate, if I am not mistaken, while it is written nowhere, we had been dis- was for us to review the result of the visit tinctly assured that if the arms deal existed, of the Foreign Minister to other countries it will go to pieces; that there will be no in recent times and also to know what has prototype of the NATO in our part of the emerged as a result of it. On this whole world. But before the ink was dry on the 181 Motion reo Stalls by JUNa 28, 1911 Min. ofE. A. re. arms 10 188 Pak. and his visit abroad [Shri Krishna Menon] defeated in war and comes to a settlement or agreement, SEATO came into existence, and surrenders, that is also a political settlement. the then Prime Minister-he did not protest- Therefore, to say "Political solution" does wrote to the Presedent at that time, saying not mean anything, except misleading Parlia- that large quantities of arms coming into ment. Probably it is not intended to mis- this area would upset the balance and the lead Parliament. It is rather an illusory equilibrium in these places, and President notion of comforting ourselves. So, we must Eisenhower's answer was that these arms get away from this talk about political solu- were not intended to be used against India- tions. When we talk about political solutions, not intended to be used against India. Ob- several solutions have been offered by the viously these Paton tanks and other amphi- people most concerned, namely, the people bian vehicles and so on were used against of Bangladesh and their representatives. Russia from Rawalpindi! But it was not to There is the six-point programme of Ml\iibur be used against India. The Prime Minister- Rehman; the four-point progranune of the politely replied that guns that fire only in present Prime Minister. But the time is past one direction have not been made. And for six and four point programmes. There Ayub Khan came along in 1957 at the height can be only one point political programme, of the Kashmir controversy and said that namely, evacuation of the territory by the these arms were intended to be used by us aggressor; That is the political solution. on the riverine side and so on; that is all. Other political solutions will follow after- wards with regard to reparations or mutual relations. That is a future step. At the present Therefore, there is no question that the moment, there can be only one political solu- arming of an ally is not limited by any con- tion with rellard to this and that is, vacation ditions. Portugal, for instance, gave large of awession. That is the same with reprd quantities of arms ostensibly intended for to the agglession on our territory in Kashmir. the protection of western Europe; may be, part Therefore, I hope Government will find its of it was used in Mozambique. They tried way to forget that it has been using this word to use it in Goa, but they were left unused. 'political solution', because I do not think Anyway. that is the position. Therefore. it they mean that. What they mean is, they is a very great mistake for us to cry hoarse want to be in line with the great powers- that we were not consulted. Why should we highly respectable people who talk about be consulted 1 It is a disgrace; if we are political and not military solution. Political consulted we would become part of their solutions always follow military solutions. business. We are not their aUics. We have Sometimes, political solutions have led to nothing to do with their foreign policy. We military endeavour. are totally against it. We opposed it for a long time. But Pakistan is an ally. China also is Then, we come to this most important an ally. Therefore, they consult them. It is question, which some people probably regard important that we should get away from this merely as a propaganda stunt. That is, re- idea. cognition of Bangladesh. I raised it durina the first debate here and I remain unconvinced The next point, which is probably more about whatever Government have to say serious, is this. We have a habit-I include about the time beinll appropriate or there is myself in it-of trying to collect the slopns no purpose and so on. I do not relent on this and even the modes of thought of people question. The most important question, who are against us. For a long time, we used apart from dealing with the refugees from day to speak of Kashmir and India, as though to day, is the recognition of Bangladesh, Kashmir was not a part of a India. We because it is the recognition of a national borrowed it from other people. We have personality. Whether you send an Ambassa- collected a lot of barbed wire very facetiously dor or not is anothe. malter. But when you offered to us and we have got entangled. One give recognition, you recognise the struggle. of these entranglements is what is called, The whole world knows you recognise the "political solution." I think it is a very in- struggle and the national personality of those congruous word, because all solutions ulti- people. It is quite true that we may not be mately arc political. Even if a country is able to do very much. But it takes away from ii9 Motion reo Statls by ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAKA) Min. olE. A. reo arms 10 190 Pak. and his v;s;1 abroad the sphere of illegality and clandestine orga- the~e men who do hard work in foreign nisation, about which the United States has capitals, who are not here to defend them- spoken yesterday in regard to sending arms selves? I know some ofthem. There are some that came over here. It takes away from the duds. There are some taken from the Audit sphere of clandestine operations any assis- Service or the Supply Department. But tance we may give to them. If we recognise even there the fault is of the government; the State of Bangladesh, those who are in the not anybody else's. If you send as diplomats Government there, whoever it may be,- men or experience and they do not do well, I do not subscribe to one person or the othcr- that is another matter. But what can tJtey whoever is in Government has the support do if they do not get clear guidelines '/ The of the people. That is the definition of a essence or diplomatic propaganda and pub- Government, which has the habitual alle- licity is not merely dislI ibuting glossy covered giance of the people and which can carry out paper but to convey the essence of your obligations. Those people would be able to policy in the day to day conversations with secure the goods of war or economic sus- their opposite numbers. But when the coun- tenance without let or hindrance. So now try has no policy, what are they to convey? it has to be done immediately. In the c~ntext Ambassadors can~ot make policies. Some of g"erilla war, this becomes .cxtremely im- Ambassadors have done so in the past, that portant. Therefore. the recognition of Bangla- is, in the early days of our independence. desh, irrespective of what the Government Today it is not possible. Thererore, if the might have said from time to time, is some- government huvc a policy, and that policY thing that ouaht to be regarded as important, must follow basically the resolution passed urgent and essential for the \lext step. by this House, namely, sympathy and sup- port to Bangladesh, then it is either being The general agrument, at least one hears hypocritical or talking with the tongue in in private, is that it mi&htlead to war. Speak- the cheek when people are fighting for their ina for myself, I do not think this country survival and getting killed, and killing in turn, should initiate war, either against Pakistan and proclaiming an independent State and or any country in the world. But if war is if you say in this Parliament in all solemnity "we support them but it will fall short of forced on us by acts of aggression, naturally recoIDition." we will meet them to the best of our ability; either we will win or we will lose, but there is no atternative. But I cannot see any This, I think, is a areater betrayal than earthly reason why, if we recognise Banala- what I:.isenhover has done. Now what is the dcsb, people should wage a war against us. use of Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad complaining of Presidents and statCMllen from Eisenhover Regarding the withdrawal or ousting of to Dulles, Kennedy, Rubk and Johnson and our diplomatic representative from Dacca, this gentleman, Mr. Nixon? They have as regards the void or vacuum which we have betrayed their own people. So, why do we to fill there is no Pakistan in East Bengal; complain? T bey are telling lies to their there is no State there. The only presence of own people and Pentagon all the time. There- Pakistan is in the shape of bombs, in the fore, we should not waste our time and try shape of napalm bombs, aeroplanes, rifics, to reform the world or hope that we will be rape, plunder and things of that kind. They able to dismantle the 3,700 posts that they arc the only things present in East Bengal, have in other countries. We have a compara- and not a civilised State, and therefore we are tively small problem and we should not get entitled to fill them in factual terms but I entangled in phrases like political solution. will go a little lower step than that. If the or it is only the concern of the people of recognition has not been possible and they East Bengal. What concerns the people find a chanle difficult, at least we should take of East Bengal concellls us bccauEe of our all the steps pending that. geographical contiguity. Whatever happens on our immediate border ceases to be an There is a areat deal of complaint about internal matter of another country. Suppose our Ambassador not saying this, that and a person gets a venomous snake or a wild the other. May 1 say that I am old-fashioned tiger in the house next door to me and there eouah to say that we should not criticise is very little to protect me from it, then the 191 Molion ,e. Slalls by JUNE 28. 1971 Min. of E. A. reo arms 10 192 Pak. and his vlsil ab,oad (SiLri Krishna Menon) fact that the tiger or snake is in his house to 1.·lIk in terms of war. War is no remedy docs nol make it only his domestic matter. at any time. War is a calamity. If it comes we should meet it as best 8l; we can. I cannot This is exaotly the position. so far as we talk in terms of preparedness. We have are concerned. We have every right to say people who for the last 300 to 400 years have that the condition of the influx of refugees not waged wars. We have fought only out- into India is something that is created by side for the British. We have not seen in our Pakistan deliberately. That is to say. they territory war, I believe. after the battle of have created conditions of terror from which Wandiwash and. therefore. we have to take they have to flee. Shri Dinesh Singh and into account conditions of our people and various other people said in all righteousness embark on it if it is necessary and there are that we will receive all the refugees. Nothing various parts of our own territory still under of the kind. There is no option. If the re- foreign occupation which we have not re- fugees come across the frontier, there are gained. Ir we must go to the enterprise of only two things open to you; either you leI war we should do so for regaining them. them in or you shoot them with machine guns; there is no other way. This counlry. So far as recognition is concerned Pakis- whatever the government, will not permit tan will have neither legal nor any other the machine-gunning of large numbers of justification for waging war against us for we people who come in. About what may happen have recognised in fact what is true. Re- in future, there are so many things to happen cognition is not a creative act. We only in the future. After all, we are 560 million recognise Bangia Desh which is merely a for- and another 6 million would not make a lot mality. 1 want to say, Mr. Chairman, that of difference. We can starve lo&cther and we this recognition would lead to the change can have equal distribulion of poverty. of the wI-ole situation. If a country next door recognised the e~istence of Bangia Desh There are certain aspects of this refugee our friendly countries may not immediately problem to which the government should follow suit but at the same time they will apply its mind. These refugees are individuals not have the touch· me-not altitude. J am and they are citizens of Bangladesh. I do not right in saying we have shown less practical want to elaborate on this matter in an open concern in regard to Bangia Desh than in forum like this but they should have facilities regard to Mozambique, Angola, etc. We to enable them to implement their indepen- should not seek to divert our anger against dence. If, for example, the security of this countries who do not I.~ke the same view. place has to be maintained, it has to be main- We are, therefore, this time called upon to tained by the refugees or by policing which make the people in Bangia Desh who are will enable them to use their strength some- fighting, who are in danger of being killed wh~re or other. I think tbe Foreign Minister next moment. who have great anxiety and will have to interpret this in what ever way whose one concern is the liberatiOJl of their he wants. land make them feel that there are some other people who recognilC them as people. These brave people cannot merely be the That is the meaning of recognition. In this what~ver receivers of assistance we can aive context it is rCCOllnition of a national per- them. They must be enabled to enter into BOnality. a life of their own, not necessarily absorption into our polity, in order that when they ao The Prime Minister and the Government back. as I hope t hey will go back, they will have gone a little way farther. They speak Dot go back as misfits to human society, about the time. I think privately or publicly and in the meanwhile both politically, socially everybody says Pakistan cannot 10 back; and otherwise they should have the realisa- this Prometheus cannot .go back or in Piloo tion that their main concern is the liberation Mody's phrase you cannot put tooth paste of Blngla Desh which means a type of con- back into the tube. Therefore. we have to duct which I do not want to pronounce in enable other people outside to recognise So many words. 1 do not want to say any- Bangia Desh. There is no Jack of receptivity. thiDa more. It would be wrona in this country If the policy or an approach i~ not received 193 Molion reo Slalls by ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAKA) Min. of E. A. reo arms 10 194 Pak. and his v;";1 abroad well by another country. well it is not always ~ it mtmfi ~ \ifit ~ ~ merely that the policy is bad but our image is poor. that the attention paid to us is not it aniT ~m ~ ~ ~ 1ft "I'tf tni:r what it should be and our business is to pro- it,~~m~);r ~ ~~~ mote it. Our treatment of the refugees and ~ tTlIT I ~ !fiT ~ ~~ ~ our refusal to take back bad treatment if ron- the High Commissioner of Refugees come ~~~ I ofifiTt~m~i\" here and talk in this way. He will be called ~ I!iTlI' ~flI;1n~ I ~ iii m "t ~ ~ 'IllfmT vft Ai ~ ~~~lfiW~1 ~;r~ ~ 'I>"t .G(~~I"'''' ~ "t~I~~~fit;~ lm<1'T ~ 'liT ~ ttmrT ~ ~ ~~"tt"jq~,<~~~'I>"t~ ~ These are the three points which have In order that the refugee influx may be emerged out of the statements or the com- stopped and the refugees may retllfll and go munique made at dift'erent capitals of the back to Pakistan, it is the duty of Pakistan world. Now. it is realised that the present to create conditions so that the regugees situation in BangIa Desh is a grave problem, can have a sense of security and a seore of that it is an internal problem of Pakistan and safety when they go b~ck to Paki.llIn. Unless the problem of insecurity and safety of the these conditions are crc"led, I thir:k it is people is created by Pakistan herself. India very difficult either for us or for the world has nothing to do with it. Millions of re- to send the refugees back 10 Paki.tan. In fugees have fled and come to India as a re- order to achieve this. power must be given sult of Pakistan's refusal to recognise the to the elected representatives. rights of the people. their elected representa- Now, Sir. I was one of those who have tives and hand over power to them. India said that the political solution-it is not a cannot keep these refugees who have been shallow solution as T realise the world situa- sent out because of the Bction of Pakistan. tion and the complications created in BangIa We cannot keep them on the Indian soil Desh-as the Canadian Prime Minister in for a long time. Whatever may be the solu- his communique said in so many clear words, tion, in the ultimate analysis, the refugec:s means handing over po}"er to the representa- must go back to Pakistan. When I say that tives of people of BangIa Desh. Now, the they must go back, I do no want to suggcst military junta from West Pakistan is trying tna. they mus. be forced back or thrown out to set up a puppet government. I don't think of India. By all means, no force should be by establish in, a puppet government or used. But the fact remains that the refugees JOvernmcllt of its agents, pCllple will take it must be sent back. to be a political solution. Neithcr India will So far as the second point i< concerned, take it to be a political solution for the crea- it is rcali;cd thaI the reguge problem is the tion of a congenial atmosphere to enable creation of Pakistan. Pakistan must own the return of reflJll:e& and for. creatins these die refua-s III their own citizleaB. Iudie, as two aondilion... 199 Motion reo Statts b.v JUNE 28, 1971 Min. of E. A. re. ar;"s to 200 Pak. and his visit abroad [Shri R. D. Bhandare] Now, a suggestion has been made as to word that he could extract from any foreign why should we not recognise BangIa Desh. power any condemnation of the genocide When we say that there ought to be a politi- in BangIa Desh. When he had a talk with cal solution and power must be transferred U Thant. Secretary-General of UN, he had to the elected representatives of the people, at least expected that according to the charter what else do we mean? Is there any other of human rights. he could commit him to raise meaning which can be imported to the phra- the issue of genocide in the world organisa- seology that a political settlement must be tion. There also he failed. there? Only one picture emerges of his mission abroad; that is the picture of a global beggar Then also, it is. I hope, not suggested for the refugees of BangIa Desh. Even there, seriously that we must start war, I agree with I should say he has not fulfilled that task. Mr. Krishna Menon when he said that war can never solve any problem. War is a because according to our estimate. about curse. I entirely agree with him. Therefore, Rs. 400 crores will be required for six months India should not fall into the trap of those to discharge our liability for the refugees ard who carry on the propaganda that India while according to Government's own admis- should start war. If at all we want to have a sion. only Rs. 30croresin cash and kind have proper real solution. alastings solution, then come and perhaps a few more crores may the military junta must give the power to the reach us. So there also he has not succeeded. people and the world must force the Pakis- A lot has been said in this Hou~c in con- tani military junta to have a democratic set demnation of the action of the US Govern- up and accept democratic values. The world, ment in shipping arms to Pakistan. I was therefore. must move in that direction. not so much surprised about it because I have no illusion about the An!(lo-American With these words, I have done. powers; so I did not feel much disillusioned. The USA has developed a peculiar psychology SHRI SAMAR GUHA: I never cherish- of vicarious plpeasure in seeing India in trouble ed the idea that but for the recent mission except during the days of the Sino-Indian abroad by the Foreign Minister. his picture conflict. The reason is that India refuses to will be painted in near future as good sales- toe the line of the foreign policy of the USA. man of the pitiable portrait of a confused and emasculated Government of ours. Nor do About the UK. their Government has not r also cherish the idea that he will be dubbed been able to forget that they were the rulers in the future as another Chambarlain in of India for 200 years. It is they who created groomlin of the tragic days of Munich episode Pakistan; it was as a result of the Act passed because. willy-nilly, consciously or cons- by the British Parliament that Pakistan came ciously, he has got into the trap of political into existence. Therefore. it is a horrifying solution of BangIa Desh issue within the prospect for them to see Pakistan face a frame-work of Pakistan. national revolution in BangIa Desh as a result of which Pakistan will he dismembered. Therefore. I have no illusion either about I would have been happy if his picture the USA or about the UK. or their satellite could have been drawn as a defender of the powers. revolution in Bangia Desh when he went abroad. Unfortunately. I am not in a posi- But I am really disillusioned abnut the tion to do so. because going through "the communist countries because I had great documents nowhere to I find that he pro- expectations from them. When Mr. Pod- jected, the crux of the problem of national gorny sent a note to Yahya Khan, be raised revolution in Bangia Desh. Nowhere in any hopes in many of us, but it was not followed discussion with any government did he raise by the expectation that was roused. My the issue of the freedom struggle in BangIa expectation from the communist countries Desh or the reality of the esistancc of Bangia was because they have been the defenders Desh and of their Govt. of People's Republic of the anti-colonial, anti-imperialist, and there. Not even in aoy document is there a national liberation movements all oVer the 201. MOl/on re. Slalls by ASADHA 7, ia'3 (SAU) Min. of E. A. re. arms 10 202 Pak. and his visit abroad world. They have done a lot for the national Bonn and other Capitals of the world, I find liberation movements in the African coun- the words "East Pakistan" always used in tries, they arc doing a lot for the liberation these documents. In this House no Minister movement in Vietnam. What has happened had the courage to. use the words "East to the conscience of the communist world 1 Pakistan." When the)' use the words "East Considering their pa\t performance, it was Pakistan" and "Political IiOlution" together, expected tho t not only Russia but the 13 what does it mean? It means political solu- Communist countries would come forward tion of Bangia Desh as East Pakistan, i.e., not only with a forthright condemr,ation of political IiOlution within a framework of the genodde by I'likilitan but with immedillte Pakistan. Let Mr. Swaran Singh or any recognition to the people's Government of other Minister or a galax), of Ministers go Ban&la Dtsh and also giving them all kinds round the world and canvas f~r that type of of effective help, so thut they can complete political solution within the framework. of the task of ousting the army of occupation of Pakistan, .but let them remember that those Pakistan liS also consolidate their national people who ate for the liberation of Dana\a freo:dom. But today there is no free cons- Desh, will never accept any kind of political dl:ncc in any country of the world. If you solution within the framework of Pakistan. look. lit the U.S.A., it has its commitments i do not know if )OU have met them, if you in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. It has have seen them. 1 hey have lost their sisters, also its commitment in Israel. It is now their wives, their parents, lheir brothel'S, having ping-pong diplomacy with china. their near and dear ones. These young meD :So we cannot expect that the free condence who are fighting on the liberation front have of the U.:S.A. will work. I would congratu- de,·cloped intense hatred fvr Pakistan. late Senator 1:.dwllrd Kennedy lind tile 122 Members of the British Labour I'ally and the The original concept of Pakistan was that free press of U.S.A. and U.K. for condemn- "P" stood for Punjab, "A" for the Afghanis- ing the atrocities commilted by Pakistan tan i.e. Frontier pro,ince, "K" for Ka!hmir, in Bangia Desll. 1 he UK have their own "S" for Sind and "tan" for Baluthistan. So, prolJlerllS III :)"uth Ardca and RhoOcsla. How Jet Pakistan live in West Pak.istan as per the can they support Bangia Desh 1 1: ven I< u•• ia original idea of its geographical contour. has propounded the theory of limited '''Vl:- 1 he people of Bangia Desh have raised the relgntY for East European countries. They banner of revolution. What right have you have their commitment 10 the Arab countries. to use the words "East Pakistan" against How call you expect Russia to have a free the ambitions of the people of Bangia Desh 1 wnsciencc'/ How can you expect th(sc count- YOtJ have allowed the seal of the suzerainty of Yah)'a's regime to be put on the people ries to come out to help the revolution in of Bangia Desh by allowing the use of the Bangia Desh 1 words "East Pakistan". it was better that you should not have used these words in SHRl S. M. BANERJEE: Are you equat- the joint communiques. ing Russia with the U.S.A.? J can understand if this \\ as done by Great .sHRl SAMAR GUHA: said I had Britain, A11lcrka or Russia or any other bett~r expectation from the communist country because they are still thinking in countries. terms of a united and in;,cgrated Pakistan. Therefore it was natural that they could not All these countries are dealing with the u~e the word Bangia Desh or East Bangal. problem 0 Bangia Desh not objectively. Why did you also use that word? .If they did but subjectively. It is out of sut-jective con- not agree to use the name Bangia Desll, you siderations that they are propounding the could issue a separate communique using theory of a political solution. the name Bangia Desh. Therefore 1 feel that our Foreign Minister nas done a great disser- I am sorry that our FOI eigo Minister hss. vice to the cause of freedom of Bansla Desh. done a great dis-servire to the cause of .ne· A lot has heen said about how we should Banllia ne~h revolution. On going through deal with the problem of Ban&la Desh. 1 the j"oiot con: muniques issued from Moscow. Molion re. Stalls by JUNE 28~ 1971 Min. oj E. A. reo arms 10294 Pak. and his visit abroad IShri Samar Gulla) want to say that I am not one to say that we this monsoon they will complete the task should go to war with Pakistan although of achieving and consolid a ting their own Pakistan has given many causes; it has al- freedom. There you have Jagged behind. ready committed aggression on India by "J do not know what will happen. I have great sending millions of refugees and by do7JetlS apprehensions as to what political, declara- of incursions on our territory. They have tions would "be made, what type of political given enough rrovocations to India for solution would be made by Yahya Khan. At sending our Army into BangIa Dcsh. But least 15-20 Members of the Nationp I Assem- still there is no necessity whatsoever for bly of Pakistan have been killed by Pak army sending our army into BangIa Desh. I re- and 30-40 M.L.As. arc in Pakistani jail. It m~mber the situation there upto the third may so happen that at pistol-poillt some 20 week of April. Except Dacca, Chittagong, or 25 MLAs may be forced by Yahya Khan Khulnan, Raj.hahi and Jcssore the whole to support his plan. Then, what will happen? ofE1St Bengal, Bangia Desh, was in the con- That mean~, Yahya Khan's regime will con- trol of the Mukt; Fauj. They had need for stitute the majority in the National Assembly arms. J rushed to Delhi with some list<. of Pakistan. If they fOlm a government, From anywhere in the world they wanted what will happen? You will then say that some field artillery, light machine guns, anti it is an illegally constituted government of aircrart and anti tank guns·- from anywhere Pakistan. That would mean the butchery in the world. They said that only two divisions of the aspirations of the people of Bangia 01 the Army were there and tney could finish Desh. them if they had these arms. From Je~sore, they could contn,l the seven districts flanked 17.00 lin. bj river Padma; that "as what they "Her Majesty's Government's policy I would again say that for these reasons remains that projects already in hand in it is difficult to rely on them. Now, I am Pakistan must continue in so far as this reminded that only a few months ago, about is possible." 4-5 months ago, when we were fighting for elections that 1 read in papers that Prof. All these things indicate that they are not Scot N~ring came to India and he said that very serious so far as our troubles are con- the American policy was that Asians must cerned and we must, therefore, rely upon our fight Asians. I think, it is very-true. They own efforts and on our own selves for going have always tried that we must keep on ahead and for soh'ing the problems that fighing each other, thereby goinll on weaken- face us. ing ourselves. Bangia Desb will have to face its own pro- Again, lIoing to the question of. Bengia blems and pursue its own fight for its Iibo a- Desh, I would like to point out how mlsunder- Mot ion re. Stalls by ASADHA 7. 1893 (SAKA) Min. 0/ E. A. reo arms to 214 Pak. and his visit abroad standing is created. I find that Biharis were democratic country, it is possible that Wa~t not treated well there. Why? They did not Pakistan may be able to have democracy in want that Indian Muslims should have any that part of Pakistan. With these words. sympathy with Muslims in Bangia Desh. I support BangIa Desh moveme t which is These are things by which Yahyas intended fighting for democracy and progress. to create a sort of trouble ovcr here. There is an opinion here that in the Arah "" ~o ~o ~ (f"''''AHIGlI<) world also. there has 110t been much of ~~,it~t~~~ response to the movement of Bangia Desh. ~ 1fil~~~fiI;~;r.r~ I would like to give an instance of Jordon who is receiving help from the NATO cOlln- ~ ~ "His II rebellion" iiiW (fIIi ¢ ~ ifi 1!~ !fiT ~ -that is. Mujibuf Rahman's- ~, ~ ifi .~. ~ ~ 'i\iR ar:rit ar:rit ~~~~Ifl:~1 ~ ~ ltiT~ " ... is rightly described by General Yahya Khan as 'treason'... Mujib is ~~~fiI; ~qifllft~ a traitor to Pald,tan. . . .. ~~~~it;~~if SOME HON. MEMBERS: Shame. shame! arrit, f.;r;A;) ~ Ifl: ~ ~ !fiT ~ f1r.n', atm: ~ ~ if ~~ ~tit " it:: ~ If; ~ .~t ~ ~ ~ I shall try, briefty. to make my observations After obtaining such overwhelming support about some of the matters which have been from the electorate for implemenlina those Mollon re. SIall8 by ASADHA 7. 11193 (SAKA) Min. of E . .4. reo arms I'; Pak. and his visit abroad items which were projected in their election issue, the problem of the refugees 7 (Interrup- manifestoes, it was nobody's concern to tion). start any negotiations to whittle down what was contained in their election manifesto. SHRI SW ARAN SINGH: I do not want It was for the new constituent assembly of to hurt his sentiments. I do not want to Pakistan to take any decision about the provoke him. I only want him to show me future set-lip of Pakistan. It is therefore a at least one-tenth of the patience that I matter of surprise that peol'le should have showed him when he was usinll all types of been taken in by high pressure propaganda adjectives against me. that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's attitude was unreasonable in the course of talks which The point is that we had to project to the Yahya Khan hId initiated with him. entire international community. There was an unfortunate feeling which was growinl. that this is a situation in which India faces As a matter of fact, President Yahya Khan a great economic burden, that India's own in this background had no business to under- plans are going awry, and therefore in such take any talks. They had won the elections a big human problem, the problem of human on a certain programme and it was for the suffering, if the international community can elected representatives, when they sit in the mobilise enoulh support to enable India to constituent assembly, to take any decision. tide over this thing, then perhaps that is the Therefore, it was absolutely redundant, in answer. It was very necessary. therefore, fact against all principles, to have any talks to dispel this erroneous impression, and this whatsoever. The whole world now realises does not fit in with the description that some that these talks were also a smokescreen be- hon. Members have said, that I had gone hind which military supplies, equipment and there to beg for aid or ask for aid. I never troops were moved and suddenly these talks raised this question of aid. In fact, wherever were broken and the military oppression was this was mentioned, I always took the pre- resorted to. In a situation like this, when caution to point out that this to me is a this basic issues involved, and as a result of peripheral maiter and it touched only the which about six million people have actually symptom and did not go to the root of the crossed over into Indian territory, for any- problem, and unless the root of it is tackled. body to say that it continues to be an internal by simply tackling the sympton, or touch- affair of Pakistan is something which is ing the periphery of the problem and not the totally unacceptable and absolutely unreal, basic problem, it was no use. It should be and it is in this respect that international made clear that this was one of the objectives opinion has to be mobilised. To a certain that I had before me. extent it has been mobilised. but we have still to continue our efforts and mobilise public On the question of refugees, is it only a opinion in this respect. question of these lurle numbers? Of course, the problem is overwl!elming. It causes ali A:bout the que~tion of refugees, I would manner of strains, financial, organisational; like to say very catelOricaily that some hon. and also it causes political and economic Members who, in a moment were normally tensions. Therefore, for that reason, it is a o;arried away either by their own voice or much bigger issue, and any attempt by any- by their own enthusiasm, have not done body either here or abroad, to try to quan- justice When they said that I had gone out tify it in terms of money is a complete in- to ask for aid or to ask for any help in meet- justice and a complete misunderstanding of ing the expenditure that we incur on these the problem. It is from this angle that we refugees. In fact, they said this was the main have to deal with this problem and project it objective with which I had undertaken the to the international community. tour. To dispel any feelinll, if ever there was, in any part of the world- 18.00 hrs. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: What is the What is then the problem of refugees? meaning of internationalising this problem? We have made it clear-it was necessary to What is the meaninl of internationalising the do so-because some quotationll (rom some 131 Malian reo Slall.l· by JUNE 2&, 1971 Min. 0/ E. A. reo arms 10 Pak. c",d his visit abroad IShri Swaran Singh] refllgees will n. ver go back unless tbe IIffairs responsible people in our own country were arc in the hands of the responsible leaders who got such an overwhelming majority-167 b~ii1g unf"'tunately quoteu in foreign chan- out of 169 seats. This is the approach that c~ries and foreign countries to the effect that Inuia has got vast resources and a Inrge has to bc prQjcctcd consistently. These ob- jectives «:cciveu fairly wide support amongst population; they have in the past on many the international community. I think the occasions taken in refugees and looked after essentials of the problem arc such that they them; on this occasion also, although it is will continue to reccive international support. a big problem, perhaps given the help and I am realistic enough and I have got enough necessary wherewithal, Inuia may be able of experience not to be misled by words. to cope this problem also. This is precisely Nor are these lunches or dinners of interest the thing which we have to negative very to me. I am a very modest eater of food and strongly. These are Bangladesh citizens. these things have neVer been of any interest They have to go back to their own country. to me. I am not like Shri Piloo Mody, who They are on trust with us, primarily on is so fond of food and who gathers so much behllf of B3ngladesh and secondarily on of girth round him. b~h·.llf of the entire international community. Therefore, we should reiterate our determina- SHIU PILOO MODY: I must thank the tion that they have to go back to their own Minister for the uiiferentiation he has made. home anu hearth. They cannot go back to their home and hearth merely because SHRI SWARAN SINGH: The essential President Yahya Khan makes a statement point, therefore, is that we have to get sup· that th~ refugees are welcome. He did make port for these two basic issues and the rc!l some such stat~ment. That was also a highly of our problem then fnUs into proper Per- qualilied statement. He said, genuine refugees spective. are welcome. What was the effect of the state- ment which he made on 22nd or 21 st May? Now a great deal has been said and there After thlt statement, about 2t million people appears to be some misunderstanding, or h1VC actually crossed over from Bangladesh somc sliding back, as was mentioned by some to India. What is the credibility of a state- hon. Member. when we used the term ··poli· ment of this nature? When will these re- tical solution." I want to clarify this in a fug~es go back and how? They can go back threadbare manner. only if the affairs of Bangladesh arc in the hands of the elected representatives. It is We are firmly of the opinion that conti- none else c"cept Sheikh Mujibur Rehman. n"ed milit.!fY action will not rewlve the Unless he and his party arc in charge of the probkm. When \\c say that it is quite con- affairs in B3ngladesh, there will never be sistent with the resolution that We have adopt- the atmosphere for these regugces to go ed in which we have said that the entire inter- back. Therefore,· let us try to understand national opinion should be mobilised and in depth the real problem involved. When pressures should be put on thc military regime we talk of the refugee problem, although to stop their military action and ruthless their rehabilitation is a colossal problem, atrocities in Bangladesh. This was an essen- the basic problem is that they have to go tial element in the resolution which was a back to Bangladesh. If we express our deter- adopted by this Parliament. When we ~y mination in unmistakable terms, there will that military action will not result in any be wluer;tanding for this. It is there to a solution, then the other alternative is political very large measure in several of these state- solution. ments with varying degree. One cannot, when dealing with the international communi- About political solution I have not left nity, impose one's own words, but this idea any country in any doubt, both in thc public is broadly acceptable to all. In every state- statements, and during my talks with the ment, whether it is unilateral statement or leaders of those countries, governmental a joint communique, therc are two things. and non governmental. What is that political O.1C is, the now of refugees mllst stop. It will solution 7 The political solution is one which 5t"p only if this ruthless military action is accoptable to the elected representatives stops. Otherwise, it cannot stop. Secondly, the led by Sheik Mujibur Rehman. On this issues 233 Motion reo Stalts by ASADHA 7, 1893 (SAKA) Min. 01 E. A. reo arms to 234 Pak. and his visit abroad we should be very clear in our mind. It will rcgimc, will nevc; bc acceptable to the people not be a very good and acceptable strategy of Bangladesh. for us to spell out the content of that political solution, but it will be something for which So, these are the vital issues involved when there will be wide support when we say that we talk of the basic questions. Now, when we this solution has to be acceptable to the talk of the refugees being the responsibility of people of Bangladesh; acceptable to' the peo- Bangladesh, the refugees cannot go bock so ple of Bangladesh means a acceptable to long as the military regime continues and fa those who have been elected with the over- long as these atrocities continue. As long as a whelming majority, that is, led by Sheik government responsible to the elected repre- Mujibur Rehman. Therefore, Sheik Mujibur sent,Hives is not established thc'e people will Rehman is the only person who, on behalf of never go back. the people of Bangladesh, can enter into a solution. This is the whole structure within which we have been using Ihis expression of stopp- When we talk of political solution and Ing of military action or/and arriving at poli- something which is acceptable to the people of tical settlement. We have not left anybody Bangladesh, this is what we mean. I am not in doubt. I do not know if they will be wi1ting saying anything here which I have not said, to go with us. I cannot make a tall claim perhaps in more clear terms to the leaders like that. But on the tirst issues there is abroad, whether they were official or non- broad agreement that their flow should stop, official. that they are not our responsi bility and that they should go back. About the rest At the same time, I also warned them about some countries have said it openly this is not this loose talk or vague talk of inducting a possible unless there is satisfactory political civil regime for a military regime, that it will solution; some have said unless it is a poli- not serve the purpose. I disabused their tical soluti(ln acceptable to the people; others mind on that that this can neVer happen. In have said it has to be with Awemi League. fact, the expression that I used was that it is These are various steps. Quite understanda- immaterial if the people who exercise irres- bly you cannot get open statements from ponsible and dictatorial authority wear Governments even though they might be uniform of a general, or an admiral or ordi- feeling that any thin!>: ,lwrt "f thet might nary civilian; if he is not responsible to the prolong the agony of the people. people, which means not responsible to the elected representatives of the people, then it I would like to mention one other aspect. is immaterial whether the authority is wielded I have a distinct fcelin!! that there is n great by the military general or by the civilian, Then deal of awareness that the position of Bangia again, they talked vaguely of having some Desh today is such that whatever military government in which the Awami League regime might try to make out, these peopk elements are involved. That is again a very who have embarked upon this vital ,truggle dangerous line on which some hon. Members for their existence. for their survival. for their liberty that they cannot be suppressed by have already made some comments. My military means. There is a great deal of friend oPPOsite, Shri Mukerjee referred to it and so also several other members. This was appreciation and assessment on these lines. precisely the danger that I also sensed, All And I would like to say that if they arc of us sensed it here in this government. There- slowly movinr. from the original po,i!ion cf fore. it was very necessary for us to point treating this as a purely internal matter when out in very unmistakable terms that any they see this is the direction in which thing~ rcslme which consists of breakway elements are moving then they also for no other from the Awami League of Sheik Mujibur reason-for sheer self-interest--start takine Rehman, or which consists of persons who attitude which may later on not turn out to might have been won over, cajoled or coerced be entirely different from the inspirations of and thus become wi1ting tools in the hands of the 75 million people of Bangia De~h and to the military regime, who were given the that extent everyone want. to keep their facade of the Awami League but who were options open. It is a hard fact ofintemational really puppets or quislinllS of the military life with which we hllY~ IQ cope Vi itll; we bave 235 Motion rt. Statts by JUNE! 21, 1971 Min. 0/ B. A. /Y• .,._1fI Pak. and his visit abroad (Shri Swaran Singh] obsossed with money that anythinl whM:iI is to r~alise that countries generally want to out or money does not appeal to him. keep their options open. It will perhaps be unrealistic for anybody to imagine that they SHRI PlLOO MODY: You have boon always So by what is just accord ins to us or boning for ;Z' yoan, not me. by what is wrona according to us. The in- SHRISWARAN SINGH: Toftllporbal'S terests of various countries, their short-tcl m your coffers. interests, their long-term interests, they do not want easily to sacrifice whatever may be SHRI PILOO MODY: You have !leon the justice or non-justice of the case. As a stealing from us and belgina abroad. matter of fact if this doctrine were accepted by the international community not as a SHRI SWARAN SINGH: A, to the r_ sort of just a slogan but something in which ponse from other countries, if I may .y, they firmly believe, then I have no doubt on the basic issues there is understanding. that most of the troubles of the world would Some of them are prepared to say oponly; come to a end. We have to realise all these others are not prepared 10 say it openly. aspects and even the self-interest of many Some hon. Members say. "Give an ultimatUlft countries who may have interest in this rc- 10 the international community; tell them gion who may have intcrest even in Bangia that if they do not do this within 1S, 20 or Desh, if they sec that Bangia Desh is bound 30 days, we will do Ihis." I think, this will to come, it is only a question of time and be an approach which is not justified. Wilat- that 80,000 or 90,000 military people how- ever our country wants to do and whatever soever ruthless their methods may be, they are our objectives, no one can pull them cannot for all times or for any length of time out for us. The main burden, eyen of re- or for any sizeable length of time suppress fugees if all the money comes, will be ours. by military means the flame of liberty which All this socio-oconomic tension that is gene- is now lit there in an unmistakbie manner rated, all this upheaval which our country whatever the sufferings of these people may faces, this general attitude in which almost be; this thought itself is a great factor which the entire governmental machinery is switched moves them nearer towards the position of on to look after this problem sometimes on realising that the future of this area is in a the ground, sometimes in the international direction different from what they concdve community and sometimes in an organisa- it today. Thi~ freedom struggle is bound to tional manner-is all this capable of being succeed. It is in this context that .... e have to determined in terms of money? These are view this situation. problems which we have to face and unless the basic problem, the root problem, is re- It was one of my efforts to point out that solved, there cannot te a satisfactory solu- this is a situation which cannot be bought tion of this problem. out. Affluent countries can always have the feeling that a situation can be bougl>t out. Having said that, I would very brie11y like This was one effort and I think now it is 10 say a couple of sentences on each of the realised. If I may also share this thousht specific questionl that wore raised. Three with you, even if aid comes, it will never come han. Members, includina Profeuor Rail, by our asking for it but by our t'lking a clear Shri Bhaswat Iha Azad and Shri Kri,hna attitude. Even the quantum of aid that you Menon, raised the question of raising this will get will be much more than if you were question in the appropriate UN ortJ~nisation. to pass YOUI hat round and ask for various With my Ions eXjlCIrience, which this ,arlia- types of help in ord~ to look after the re- ment has enablod me to obtaia by soil'l, to fugees. these international IBlherln .., I would like to say that this is a gatherillg not of judlllls SHRI PILOO MODY: Was this strate- or jurisbl or of people who tak" docilions on sic? what is spoken to them but thelle are govern- mental bodiea in which, unlo .. there I. SHRI SWARAN SINGH: This is both govemmentallupporf at their capitals, merely "ra. lind r~lisli~. f'9rhaN he is so much making hard or taU speeches dooa not take MtII/(Ie TW. Statts by ASADRA 7, 1193 (SMA) Min. of E. A. reo arm, 10 Pak. and his visit aborad us 1liiY farther. So, we haYe first to uwbilise on West Asian situation? There is a ullllni- all the efforts in the various capitals and if mous resolution also accepted by both sides. lhere is support for any prop05ition, only But still Israel is where it was and the inter- t/tcQ it is worth while takiDs it to a UN or- national community notwithstanding the pniaatiou. unanimous resolution has not been able to vacate the aggression. We cannot forget that on several earlier OOCIIllions it has not been our long speeches There are limitations from which these that '-6 saved the situation but a veto of Ii U.N. orpns, these U.N. organisations. friendly country that has .aved us on some function. J am not opposed to taking it up very crucial occasions. So, I would not like with the U.N. we will definitelY take up. to give a false senle that the United Nations But we will take it up after we prepare the or these organiaationl can pull us out of our ground. This will be ancillary and supple- troubles and dlfflculties. mentary to our main effort. This will not be and cannot be substitute to whatever steps These are very difficult questions. I am we want to take in order to realise our ob- not oppoted to takin. it up at the U.N. But jectives which I have tried to spell out on an I do not believe in Ihe efficacy of Ilroni earlier occasion. speeches to enable us to let the results. We have first to persuade the various Govern- Another important matter that has been menll. These are governmental bodies. raised by my hon. friend from the C.P.M. The people behind the mike are absolutely is that there is a U.S. radar station in India. impervious to the speeches that are made. I would like to say very categorically that Even eloquence does not work with them this is 8n absolutely false and unfounded because Illoatly it is lost in interpretation. statement. I would like to contradict it with The more eloquent speech it is, the worst all the emphasis at my command. it gels in simultanoous interpretation. One hll5 to be direct and straight in making these Shri K. D. MalaviYR said that de1elltlons IlpOe "This House demands immediate '" 'I'I"I'Im '" ~ : ~ ~~, cessation of the use of force and of the ~ ~ aRT ~1flI" it am: fW ~ ~ ~ massacre of defenceless people." fui ~ f~ ~ 'R <:'I1f1'l'f fir.!1 'fiT ~ i Wilen we secure internation"1 support for ~~~~it1fl1fmr I ~~~ stoppage of flow of refugee>, tilis is definitely ~ r{ ~ ~ P.fT ~ \;ft if lrn inpursuance of this directive which has been mm given by the House. ~ ~ ~ ;;it ifiijJ 'iT (liJi;flfd't> ~ ~ ~it,~mm~~ When we say- ~T if ~ I ~ ~ ~~ fit; (liJi.i'ifdifi "This Hou,e calls upon all peoples ~ 'fiT ~ fit; ~ ~ ;;it i\'lr<;r ~ and Governments of the world to t"ke aN t urg~nt and constructive steps to prevail ,.". ~ 'til am: ~ ifm $r ~ ~ upon the Government of Pakistan to put ~ 'til ~ ~, ~T ~ fit;ln" iJfTlr I an end immcdiately to the systematic decimation of people whieh amuunts to lI>Tt: ~ij'f ~ rr ~ iJfTlr \Wl ~ ~ ~ g..:mocide"- ;ftit 'R'!ft l{-;;ff t ~ '3QT(f ~ ~.~ ~ ~ ~~ this is precisely what We have bc~n urging itqr I al\ Governments to do. to exercise all thdr levers. We have mentioned to them that ~iffiI';;iT ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ Wh-.ltcvcr ,"vcrs they have got,-whether they ~ f~ ~ ~ ~ are levers of giving economic aid or giving P.fT P'T iRrr if ifilT fit; military aid,· -military aid in any case should ~ ~ ~ fit; apn:"f;rr ~ ~ stop, b"cn,c this is b~ing uscd f,lI' killing ~;itiJfTlrf~~~~~ I~ innJc~nt p..!opl'.:.-~vcn cClJl10mic aid ~hould stop so long as these atrocities eOlOtinuc and ~ ~, ~ ~ 'Ii1iT f.tim ~ so long as th·:y cuntinue t'J embaIl~ upon ~ ~ atroT ~ ;it, am: rr ~ I o1if this policy of rcprc",ing pcople. ~i\Of~~~T~~;it~ Then, Sir, about our whole-hearted sym- ~ l'I':-f1:rc ~ ~ ~ tffii:I1I; ~ it; pathy and support, I do not think that the country has ill any way deviated from this ~ ~ anq; ft;r"i\'if ~ ~ ~ 'iT I resolve of the sympathy and support frum ~ ~ 'til arqn: "Ufu Rrrr ~~ ~ the people al1(l from thc Gowrnment, be- fl1<;r ;it 'ITiffifT cause. all that We havc boen doing is support tJ'!ft am: m m mrr< of their fr.;edom movement. There is no 'til ~ m I 'tif1J ~ t, am- ~ m apology for tkat because thi; is what we have qf(cm:1 iIJ(T ~ If