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Metropolitan Police Service Meeting with Chairs of the London Pccgs Wednesday 12Th March 2008 at 5.30Pm, 5Th Floor Conference Room NSY Metropolitan Police Service Meeting with Chairs of the London PCCGs Wednesday 12th March 2008 at 5.30pm, 5th Floor Conference Room NSY Present MPS Personnel Rose Fitzpatrick (Chair) Deputy Assistant Commissioner, Territorial Policing Rod Jarman Commander, Territorial Policing Steve Allen Commander, Territorial Policing Raj Kohli Chief Inspector, Territorial Policing Keith Young Staff Officer to DAC Fitzpatrick Cathy Waller (Minutes) Staff Officer to DAC Fitzpatrick Consultative Group Chairs Sandra Flower Kingston (Chair) & Chair, London PCCG Forum Graham Holland Bexley (Chair) Anita Jakhu Brent (Member) Terry Belcher Bromley (Vice-Chair) Chris Fagg Camden (Member) Janet Marshall Enfield (Vice-Chair) Sonoo Malkani Harrow (Chair) Len Faram Havering (Vice-Chair) Elizabeth Beggs Hillingdon (Chair) Mohammed Chaudhry Hounslow (Chair) Karen Clark Kensington & Chelsea (Chair) Jim Toohill Lambeth (Vice-Chair) David Michael Lewisham (Chair) Saleem Sheikh Merton (Vice-Chair) Liz Pearce Redbridge (Administrator) Wendy Kyrle-Pope Richmond (Chair) Carole Atkinson Richmond (Vice-Chair) Althea Smith Southwark (Vice-Chair) Justin Moore Tower Hamlets (Acting Chair) Steve Williams Waltham Forest (Chair) Jo Weir Westminster (Central) (Chair) Peter Russell Westminster (Paddington & Marylebone) (Chair) John May LCP2 Richard Hunt LCP2 Apologies: Apologies were noted from Barnet (Derrick Cheung), Croydon (Graham Speed), Ealing (Charles Gallichan), Greenwich, Islington (Jan Tucker), Newham (Jill Powell) and Sutton (John Turner). 1. Introductions and Welcome Following introductions Rose Fitzpatrick welcomed all attendees to the meeting. Following the sad news of the death of the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police, Michael Todd, a minute silence was observed. Sandra Flower suggested that a letter of condolence be sent on behalf of members and asked that any contributions be forwarded for inclusion within the condolence letter. 1 Metropolitan Police Service Meeting with Chairs of the London PCCGs Wednesday 12th March 2008 at 5.30pm, 5th Floor Conference Room NSY Action: All members to forward any contributions to Sandra Flower. 2. Minutes of the last meeting (22nd November 2007) The minutes were agreed subject to an amendment to page one: Jo Weir’s apologies to be noted. It was also suggested that the position held by members, i.e. chair or deputy chair, be noted in future minutes. 3. Matters Arising 3.1 Actions from the previous meeting Rose Fitzpatrick confirmed that all actions arising from the previous meeting were complete. Members had been sent written responses to those actions arising from presentations delivered on safer neighbourhood strength figures and the MPS front counter project. Rose advised that it had been agreed that meetings would have two focus items to allow adequate time for presentations and questions from members. 4. Section 44/ Stop and Search Commander Rod Jarman advised that following the MPA’s publication last year of their scrutiny on MPS stop and search practices, he had been appointed to lead on the MPS response to the recommendations made. Commander Jarman advised that he led a team of hard working dedicated specialists who have developed excellent cross departmental and partnership relationships with partners such as the City of London Police, the British Transport Police and intelligence colleagues. The stop and search power was recognised as an important tool to combat terrorism. Commander Jarman explained that research had shown that those responsible for terrorist acts also carry out reconnaissance visits and dry runs in advance of a planned attack. Both the police and the intelligence services recognise the need to be able to challenge their freedom of movement in order to prevent attacks and assist in intelligence gathering. Commander Jarman advised that section 44 stop and search powers aimed to disrupt the terrorists freedom of travel and to make London a hostile environment for them to enter. Commander Jarman stated that the police required the trust and support of London’s communities to carry out stop and search powers and PCCG members play a key role in delivering this message. Whilst it was difficult to prove the success levels of stop and search in terms of measuring crime prevented, there was clear evidence that London is seen as a hostile environment for terrorists and section 44 powers attributes to this. Commander Jarman provided members with an overview of the decision making process used prior seeking authorisation to use section 44 stop and search powers, which included an intelligence input from the Met Intelligence Bureau (MIB) and also from external intelligence sources. The Security Review Committee within the Specialist Crime Directorate review the threat level in London on a weekly basis and also have an input into the decision around where to deploy section 44 powers. Commander Jarman advised members that stop and search data, which had not previously been released, were now accessible to community members and he provided members with the highlights from the most recent statistics. Appropriate 2 Metropolitan Police Service Meeting with Chairs of the London PCCGs Wednesday 12th March 2008 at 5.30pm, 5th Floor Conference Room NSY training for officers who carry out searches was discussed and Commander Jarman confirmed that this was a key issue – mentoring by experienced officers was an option that was being considered and some boroughs were adopting their own good practice initiatives such as role play exercises involving community members to assist officers. The issue of disproportionality was discussed and it was recognised that it was not a simple issue and in some cases required the need to ‘drill down’ into the data on a borough-by-borough basis. Members commented that the involvement of the community in both training and delivery was vital. Following a question raised around community monitoring and the impact of recommendations arising from the Flanagan report, Commander Jarman provided an overview of ‘stop and account’ and advised that this power was an alternative for officers to use at their discretion. Pilots were also ongoing to trial the use of shorter forms that lessened the impact on both officers and individuals being stopped. A question was raised regarding discrepancies with TSG stop and search records. Commander Jarman explained that this matter was subject to review; however a contributing factor was that the TSG had a number of different approaches used at a number of sites which had an impact on data recording issues. Following a general discussion, it was agreed that stop and search powers were extremely important but were also recognised as intrusive and therefore the quality of the interaction was paramount. Action: Cathy Waller to circulate the website address for stop and search data. 4. Safer Neighbourhood Teams Commander Rod Jarman delivered a presentation around the role of the safer neighbourhood teams and discussed some of the achievements that have been seen since their roll out across the MPS. Commander Jarman provided an overview of the safer neighbourhoods' seven-stage consultation model and commented that the significance of this model was the communities’ key role in deciding the priorities for their respective neighbourhood wards. Commander Jarman spoke about initiatives to reduce any levels of bureaucracy placed on safer neighbourhood officers, including a review of the form 302 and also the provision of a web based tool which is to be rolled out in April 2008 and will assist teams in developing their neighbourhood profiles. Commander Jarman provided an overview of performance levels around local confidence in policing and advised that a massive improvement had been seen since the inception of the safer neighbourhood teams. It was recognised by the MPS that tenure and consistency of staff was a key issue and Commander Jarman outlined the staffing requirements of safer neighbourhood teams. Commander Jarman advised that feedback received from communities was mainly around concerns of anti social behaviour. Commander Jarman advised that it was key for teams to recognise what was meant by anti social behaviour and how this behaviour could be targeted. Regular dialogue with community members was key and the MPS were working with an external training company to provide training to ward panels to help ensure that meetings were effective and productive. 3 Metropolitan Police Service Meeting with Chairs of the London PCCGs Wednesday 12th March 2008 at 5.30pm, 5th Floor Conference Room NSY Members raised concerns around levels of beaucracy faced by safer neighbourhood teams, for example, completion of quality assessment forms. Whilst members recognised the need for such processes, it was suggested they could be done on a less regular basis to lessen the impact. A query was also raised regarding the content of forms circulated to volunteers to complete. Some individuals felt the level of personal data requested, such as sexual orientation, disability and marital status was objectionable. Members also raised an issue around safer neighbourhood meetings and the need for meetings to be closed and suggested fixed membership be explored as an alternative to closed meetings as this could send out a negative message. Following discussion, Commander Jarman recognised that safer neighbourhood sergeants had a busy workload; however from the example quoted it appeared the staff numbers within the safer neighbourhood team was unusually high. Commander Jarman
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