387 Demands for Grants APRtl2,1992 Statt. by Minister Death of Shri 388 (General). 1992-93 Min.· of Human Hemant Shahi, MLA, Bihar Resource Development [Prof. Savithri lakshmananl was started in his name, some 30 yearl1 back. Sir, the students who learn this great art, upon the mercy of the stipend from the Government, are sleeping on the floor of the I am satisfied with the grant of RS.84.98 classrooms, for want of accommodation to crore more for demand No. 50, viz. women rest in the night. So, it is a must to allot two and childcare. I extend my congraculations lakh rupees of matching grant forthese poor for the special set of interventions devised students to construct a hostel. I am unaware for the adolescent girls and for sanctioning· of the fact whetherthis matter is connected the Adolescent Girl Schemes in 507 ICDS technically with the department of Youth projects .. Affairs orthe Department of Culture, but I am aware that it is connected with the Depart- Sir, I would like to mention one word ment of HumanResource and I request the about reservations for scheduled Castes hon. Minister of Human Resource to look . and scheduled Tribes in this Department. into this matter and to put forward the neces- Let me quote from the Annual Report IV, sary orders. I know very well Sir, that two 1991-92.of the Ministry of Human Resource lakh rupees is nothing when compared with Rs. 2454.19 crore. Please consiae( this request as the cry of a child who needs a "Requirement of reservation in posts black slate or a set of colour pencils which in the Department was observed. may be nothing to his father, but something Out of 25 posts of Group "A" offic- to him. ers, 4 belong to Scheduled Caste So also, we Keralites are eagerly wait- and one belongs to Scheduled Tribe ing for the firth Indian Institute of Manage- communities. Out 01 66 posts of ment, which we hope, will be established in Group "S" officers, 9 belong to our State and the next Indian Institute of Schedule"d Casts and one belongs Technology too, to be started in Kerala. to Scheduled Tr.ibe communities. Out of 101 posts of Group "C" 19 Madam, once again thanking you I hon- belong to Scheduled Caste and 3 estly would like to bring to your kind notice belong to Scheduled Tribe commu- that I am not an economist and my findings nities. Similarly, out of 40 posts of may go wrong but I have studied with utmost Group "D" 13 belong ro scheduled sincerety the Demand No. 47 to 50 for the Caste and one belongs Scheduled Ministry of Human Resource Development Tribes communities. The pre- and came to the conclusion that this is a bold scribed percentage of 15 per cent step taken by our Goverment . Even then . reservation for scheduled casts has quoting the words of our hon. Prime Minis- been more than achieved in this ter, I can repeat "I have not seen any oppo- Department. " sition that gives the Government a clean chit." We have to appreciate the achievement in the most special way that we could. Thanking you, Madam.

Before I conclude, let me take this op- 16.46 hrs portunity to request one thing. STATEMENT.BY MINISTER Sir there is an art school in Kerala at IrinjalakUda, TCR district known as Unnai Death of Shri Hemant Shahi, MLA, Warrier Smaraka Kalanilayam to teach Bihar Kathakali, the art of Kerala. Sir, this Unnai Warrier in whose name, the institute is named THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE after is the first person who wrote the first MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS Attakkatha, 'Nalacharitham', which gave birth AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- to Kathakali. To commemorate his. fruitful TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS.(SHRI attempts in Kathakali. ,this Kathakali school M.M .. JACOB) 389 Statt. by Minister Death CHAITRA 13,1914 (SAKA) of Shri Hemant Shahi, 390 MLA, Bihar [English] Hemant Shahi, MLA along with his body- guard and 3-4 others reached the Block Sir, with your permission I propose Office in his gypsy. shri Arun Yadava was , to apprise this august House of the facts standing in front of the Anchal Adhikari's· regarding the incidents that took place at room with a double barrel gun. Seeing him Goraul,DistrictVaishali, Biharon 28 th March, standing there, the bodyguard of Shri Hemant 1992 which resulted in the death of shri Shahi slapped him and asked him whether Hemant Shahi, MLA,Bihar, he had the gun licence with him. Shri Arun Yadavasaidthathe had the lincence. By that The brief facts of the case as re- time Shri Hemant shahi had caught hold of ported by the State Government of Bihar are the barrel of the gun and said thatyou people as follows: were coming with a gun to the auction to create disorder and mischief. A i;cuffie The auction of the hat and mela of the ensued between both and the double Darrel Goraul Anchal had been fixed for 28.3.1992 gun went off. The bullet hit the MLA and he . Last year the auction had gone in favour fell down after being wounded. After the of Shri Reghunath Shah who is currently in MLA fell down his bodyguard opened fire. jail in connection with some case. The shri Arun Yadav ran into the Circle Officer's Mukhiya of the local Panchayat, Ram eoom and opened fire from that room. In the Chander Shah was making efforts toensure end the bodyguard of the MLA shot Shri Arun that the a(.;ctiofl goes in favour of Shri Munna Yadav dead and from inside the office he Shah who is the son of shri Reghunath Shah. opened fire on Sarjug Sahani. The police Station is only 50 yards away from the place The record of the Panchayat was with of incident. Constable Shashi Bhushan the Panchyat sewak who was not availble. sharma who was on sentry duty came run- Shri Ram Chander Shah wanted that the ning to the apot. He also opened fire inside auction should be held on 30. 3 . 1992 On the roomas a result of which ShriJai Mangal 28.3.1992 Shri. Hemant Shahi, MLA had Rai was shot. called the Anchal Adhikari to his village. The Anchal Adhikari had gone to his village and After the incident the companions of was there for about two hours. After return- Hemant shahi put him in the gypsy and left ing the Anchal Adhikari started the process towards Muzzaffarpur. Hemant Shahi, MLA of auction at 3 P.M. who had been injured in the shoot out at Goraul on 28 th March. 1992 succumbed to First two auctions on 28. 3. 92 were his injuries. peaceful and when the third auction was taken up Mukhiya Ram Chander Shah re- The State Government of Bihar in an- quested that this auction be held on 30. 3. other message dated 31 st March, 1992 1992. Shri Jai Mangal Rai , Shri. Mahavir have intimated that he message of death of Sahani and few others objected to his re- Shri Hemant shahiwas received on 30/31.3 quest on the ground that since the notice of .92. All concerned districts were alerted the auction had been given on 25 th, the immediately to take precautionary measures Mukhiya had adequate time to obtain the to maintain law and order and public har- records from the Gram Sewak. They said mony. At about 9.30 AM on 31 st March, that if the process of auction was stayed , 1992 when the dead body of Shri Hemant approval, would have to be taken and as a Shahi was kept at Tilak Maidan at Muz affarpur result the whole process would be delayed. some anti-social elements burnt the vehicle Tne Anchal adhikari accepted this. Then of S.D.O. Muzaffurpur and two other ve- Ram Chander Shah and his supporters left hicles. Police took immediate action and that place. situation was controlled. The body of Shri Hemant Shahi was brought to Patna in a Ten orfifteen minutes after they left Shri vehicle from Muzaffarpur via Lalganji and 391 Statt. by Minister Death APRIL 2, 1992 of Shri Hemant Shahi, 392 MLA, Bihar ISh. M.M. Jacab) SHRI A. CHARLES; This is the report of the BiharChief Minister and not the Home Vaishali,. The State Government have fur- Minister. ther informed that a few incidents of damage of government vehicles were also reported MR. CHAIRMAN; Please sit down. from SK puri in Patna town in the forenoon but the situation was brought under control [ Translation) immediately. Preventive measures under section 144 of the Cr. P.C. have been taken SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: Madam and intensive patrolling is beinQ, done to chairman he has performed the duty of a maintain law and order. Tt1e situation is Post Office All the facts had been distorted under close watch .. by the Govenment of Bihar in the repo,1 sent to the Centre ;...... (lnterwptions) Madam, the concern of the Central Government was conveyed to the Bihar SHRI ; It is the state- Government and the Chief Minister. This ment of the han. Home Minister and clari- morning, the Chief Minister assured the fications on it, as per the rules 01 this august Central Government and has agreed that House, are not allowed. However, Madam the judicial inquiry will be instituted to find out Chairman, it is within your powers to relax all aspects relating to the incident. The this rule. But, in that event the permission to Central Government is also keen that proper seek clarifications should be given to both investigation takes place in this case and the the sides. We should also be allowed forthis culprits should be brought to book. ( Interrvptions) Translation) I SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI; Madam Chairman, the han. Home Minister has per- SHRIMATI KRISHNASAHI(Begusarai) formed the job of a Post Office ...... ; Madam Chairman, I have to say something. ( Interruptions) (Interruptions) ...... 1am saying all this [English) within the rules.

SHRI A. CHARLES (Trivandrum) : What (English) we want is an impartial report of the Home Minister. SHRI MUKUL BALKRISHNA WASNIK (Buldana) : As far as this particular thing is [ Translation] concerned, normally after the statement is made by the Minister. we, in the SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHi : Please , do not get an opportunity to ask clarifica- listen to me. Do not leave before I conclude. tions, but because this is an important mat- ter, i would like that you may kindly agree to [English) suspend the rule and given an opportunity to the hon. Members to seek clarifications. I have a full right to speak. MR. CHAIRMAN: Shrimati Krishna MR CHAIRMAN :There cannot be any Sahi has said something which I am sure the discussion on the Minister's statement. Minister has taken nole 01.

SHRI NITISH KUMAR: (Barh) Madam, ( Translation) paint o( order. SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI; It was MR CHAIRMAN There cannot be any stated that a judicial inquiry would be insti- discussion on this. tuled but my demand is that the matter 393 Start. by Minister Death CHAITRA 13. 1914 (SAKAl of Shri Hemant Shahi. 394 MLA. Bihar should be handed over to the C.B.1. (Inter- ruptions) SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI : This is a report of the Bihar Government; this is not . SHRI NITISH KUMAR : My point of a report of the Governement of order is that granting of permission to seek India. (Interruptions) we want an indepen- clarifications after the statement of a Minis- dent inquiry. (Interruptions) ter is against the rules of the House and if it happens it will be a new tradition. In that [ Translation] case. not only Smt. Krishna Sahi but ail of us will also have right to seek clarifications and SHRI NITISH KUMAR: Iftheirprotesta- the hon. Minisler will have to reply those tions form the part of the record then our issues. Just now you have said that the hon. point 01 view should also be made the part of Minister has taken note of everything. There- the proceedings. (interruptions) fore. we would like to point out that if the statemenls / speeches of the hon. Minisler MR. CHAIRMAN: If you want a discus- go on record. our speeches must also go on sion on this subject there is also another record. We hope for your ruling in this alternative lor it. reg ard. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) SHRI MUKUL BALKRISHNA WASNIK: In view of the prevailing Imv and order situ- 17.00hrs ation in Bihar. the Central Government must do something. Today every person SHRI TEJ NARAYAN SINGH (Buxar) : there ...... (Interruptions) ...... 1t must be got Hue and cry is being raised on the killing of invf:stigated impartially. We are not sotisfied an M.L.A. of Biharbut when a poor person is with the judicial inquiry .There mist be a killed nobody takes note of it. (Interruptions) C.B.1. inquiry in this case.

( Interruptions) [English]

MR. CHAIRMAN: Please sit down. This MR . CHAIRMAN: Please sit down. I is not allowed. am not allowing anybody to ask questions.

( Interruptions) [ Translation]

SHRIMATI KRISNHA SAHI : It is not the SHRI MOHAMMAD ALI ASHRAF statement of the Government of the India. FATMI (Darbhanga) : what did happen when The hon .. Minister of State in the Ministry of 2000 persons were massacred in Home Affairs has submitted that the state- Bhagalpur ...... ment is of the Government of Bihar. ( Interruptions) (English) (English j MR. CHAIRMAN: It is not usualto have clarifications after the Minister has made a SHRI M.M. JACOB: I have noted it. statement in the House. SHRI MUKUL BALKRISHNA WASNIK: He is very casually saying. (Interruptions) (Tral1s/a.tions) SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL (Chandigarh) : We are not se0:<;n(; c!:1rifica- . W',a! ooes it matter if a person has tions. (interruptions) died ... The issue does not relate to the killing 395 Staff. by Minister Death APRil 2, 1992 of Shri Heman! Shahi, 396 MLA. Bihar ISh. Mukul 8alkrishna Wasnikj {Translatiof))

SHRI MOHAMMAD ALI ASHRAF of one person only but it reiates to law and F ATM I : Nobody cares when a poor' person order situation in Bihar. The matter had been dies. Unterruptions) discussed in such a casual manner, as it appears that it is a very commoon thing. . SHRI NITISH KUMAR: I would like to Every day such incidents are being reported have your ruling on mYPointof orderoverthe response of the hon .. Ministerto the obser- from Bihar. vation made by the hO[1. lady member.

( Interruptions) When Shri was the Chief minister of Bihar ,Tanjoor Hasan khan, MLA from Hazaribagh, was killed. Had a SHRI MOHAMMAD ALI ASHRAF C.B.1. Enquiry been conducted tha.t"case FATMI:The incident of killing of poor barijan. During the period of , is never raised ...... ( Interruptions) Ram Nagina Prasad, MLA , was killed. Dur- ing the penod of Bindeshwari Dube, Bir SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL:They Bahadur Singh, MLA was murdered. Had CBI enquiry been conducted in these cases? are saying that, nothing serious has hap- When the former Minister Jagdev Prasad pened, ita persdon has been killed. and Susurya Marayan Singh MLA were killed Kedar Pandey was the Chief Minister. Had ( Interruptions) there been a C.B.l.enquiry in these cases? (Interruption) : During the period of Jagannath SHRI NITISH KUMAR : My pOint of Mishra Ram Dev Singh, MLA were killed. order still stands because the han. Minister Had there been a C.B.I enquiry into the case responded to the observation of the hon lady ...... (lnterruptions) Member on his statement. Please expunge the observation and the clarification f rom the proceedings. Otherwise we will also like to SHRI NITISH KUMAR : Was a CBI make observations and similarly the hon. enqUiry conducted when a Shiv Sena MLA Minister should. respond was killed in Bombay ...... (lnterruptions) ...... (Interruptions) ...... On how many oc- casions the CBI inquiry was held in Bihar? (_Englis~) Even earlier the killings had taken place in Bihar .During the period of the former Chief MR. CHAIRMAN Please sit down, Minister, Shri Jagganath Mishra, on an please take your seats. M.L.A., Shri Manjoor Hasan was kilied ...... (Interruptions) ( Interruptions)

SHRI TEJ NARAYAN SINGH: It is no SHRI MUKUL 8ALKRISHNA WASNIK: thing unprecedented in Bihar. 8 M.LAs; had. The 8ihilr Government is not serious in the been murdered there and the issue had matter. They are taking a very casual ap- always been raised in \Lok Sabha. But why proach. An MLA has been killed, and the it is so Ihis time? The , Janata DOll Members are saying that how is had nevertaken any notice about the killing it serious when only one person is killed? of 8 MLAs in Bihar between 1980 to 1990. The Bihar Government is trying to cover up ( Interruptions) the case:

<.. English) MR .. CHAIRMAN : Do you want to take up allthe cases that are there through out the MR CHAIRMAN : If all of you speak country? This is not the proper occasion for together, nobody can hear anything. it. 397 Statt. by Minister Death CHAITRA 13,1914 (SAKA) of Shri Hemant Shahi, 398 MLA, B_ihar [Translation J [English J

SHRIDEVENDRA PRASAD YADAV SHRI SHRIKANTA JENA: (attack) (Jhanjharpur) : Madam Chairman, for law Madam, I am on a point of order. and order in Bihar ...... (Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: No, this is not' the [English J occasion. You cannot kill the time of the House like this ...... MR CHAIRMAN : Please take your seats. (Interruptions)

( Interruptions) SHRI SRIKANTA JENA : You just listen 17.08 hrs for a moment. I am on a point of order.

At this stage Shrimati Krishna Sahi Madam, the Minister gave a statement Came near the well of the House and we listened to the Minister carefully. In this' 'House there is no rule that after the ( Interruptions) Minister's statement, we can seek clarifica- tions ...... ( Interruptions) [English I MR. CHAIRMAN : No clarifications MR. CHAIRMAN:You are a very senior have been allowed. Member. Please go back to yours seat.

( Interruptions) ( Interruptions)

SHRI SRIKANTA JENA : I can under- 17.09 hrs. stand the lady Member raising her point. But two whips of the Congress Party are creating At this stage Shri Ram Prasad Singh and this kind of disturbance. You have to take a few other hon. Members came near the it very seriously. Either you allow both the well of the House sides or if you do not allow, then let us discuss the main issues ...... (Interruptions) [English I SHRI MUKUL BALKRISHNA WASNIK: MR. CHAIRMAN: Please sit down. We know very well what is the responsibility of the whip ...... (Interruptions) . ( Interruptions) SHRI SRIKANTA JENA : Both the [Translation I whips of the Congress Party want to obstr-uct the proceedings of the House ...... ( Interrupti0f}s). AN HON MEMBER: Nobody is both- ered about the killings of the poor ...... (In- terruptions ) ...... SHRI MUKUL BALKRISHNA WASNIK: We very well know how a whip has to function. If we also try to behave in the same SHRI MUKUL BALKRISHNA WASNIK way as he is behaving, then we do not think : You are not the only Messiah of the poors we will be doing justice...... (Interrup- ...•... f Interruptions) tions) . 399 Statt. by Minister Death APRIL 2. 1992 400 of Shri Hemant Shahi, MLA, Bihar [ Translation] . for a CBI inquiry ...... (lnterruptions) .

SHRIMATI kRISHNA SAHI : My objec- SHRI RAM NAIK: (Bombay North) tion is to his statements that it doesn't make Madam Chairperson ...... (Interruptions)". any difference if somebody dies. What does it mean? . MR. CHAIRMAN: Ram Naik Ji, please sit down. I have not allowed any of them. ( Interruptions) (lnterruptionsr [English} MR. CHAIRMAN·: Now I am calling SHRIPAWAN KUMAR BANSAL: Kindly shrimati Sumitra Mahajan ...... look at him, He is again saying the same thing .. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) 17.15 hrs. [ Translation] DEMANDS FOR GRANTS Madam, he is againsaying that it makes (GENE6AL)1992-93 no difference. Ministry of Human Resource (Interruptions) Development oCONTO.

They have committed a murder [ Translation] ...... (/nterruprions)

[English] SHRIMATI SUMITRA MAHAJAN Indore): Madam Chairman, today we have They have murdered the taken up for discussion the Demands for MLA...... (Interruptions) grants in respect of the Ministry of Human Resources Development. So first of all, it is MR. CHAIRMAN: No clarifications have essential for us to remind ourselvesthat we been allowed after the Ministeries are all human beings. (interruptionS) statement...... [English] (Interruptions) SHRI MUKUL BALKRISHNA WASNIK SHRI A. CHARLES: Madam Chairman (Buldana): Madam. we want the hon. Minis- ...... ( Interruptions)" ter to respond. He continues to sit there. (Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Charles, I have not allowed you. Please sit down ...... [ Translation]

(lnterruptionsr SHRI NITISH KUMAR (Barh): Then the hon. Minister will have to respond to every MR. CHAIRMAN : I have allowed no point raised here. clarifications . That is all ..... [English] ( Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: Not at all. Will you SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: I am not allow the lady Member to speakajan asking any clarification, I amjust requesting you continue with the speech. "Not recorded.