Queensland

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Legislative Assembly

THURSDAY, 22 NOVEMBER 1979

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THURSDAY, 22 NOVEMBER 1979

Mr. SPEAKER (Hon. S. J. Muller, Fassi­ fern) read prayers and took the chair at 11 a.m.

COMMITIEE OF PRIVILEGES

PROPOSED REFERRAL OF CoMMENTS OF MEMBER FOR CAIRNS Mr. SPEAKER: The honourable member for Barron River requested on 20 November that comments by the honourable member for Cairns be referred to the Committee of Privi­ leges for consideration. Normally such mat­ ters would be referred to the Select Committee of Privileges. However, in the light of the fact that the Australian Committee of Inquiry into Drugs has been requested to give the utmost priority to the consideration of the allegations, I feel at this time that the matter should not be referred.

CIRCULATION AND COST OF "HANSARD" Mr. SPEAKER announced the receipt from the Chief Reporter, Parliamentary Reporting Staff, of his report on the circulation and cost of "Hansard" for the session of 1978-79.

QUEENSLAND PARLIAMENTARY HANDBOOK Mr. SPEAKER: Honourable members are reminded that this is the last week for the return of biographical details to the Par­ liamentary Library for inclusion in the Queensland Parliamentary Handbook.

PAPERS The following papers were laid on the table, and ordered to be printed:- Reports- Government Gas Engineer and Chief Gas Examiner, for 1978-79. Chairman of the Consumer Affairs Council, for 1978-79. National Parks and Wildlife Service, for 1978-79. Queensland Art Gallery, for 1978-79. Petitions [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Personal Explanation 1817

The following papers were laid on the Queensland will provide that full documenta­ table:- tion for every abortion performed concern­ Orders in Council under- ing the patient's state at the time and all the circumstances of the case (as in clause Metropolitan Transit Authority Act 282 of the Queensland Criminal Code) be 1976-1979. included in any proposed legislation, that Qeeensland Film Industry Development an Abortion Review Committee be estab­ Act 1977-1979. lished to examine, analyse and assess the medical documentation of every case of abortion performed in this State, that the Parliament of Queensland will demand ade­ MINISTERIAL STATEMENT quate documentation to e -tablish the reason­ able nature of every abortion operation and Do-IT-YOURSELF WILL KITs that a committee be set up to monitor such Hon. W. D. LICKISS (Mt. Coot-tha-­ documentation. Minister for Justice and Attorney-General) Petition read and received. (11.4 a.m.): Mr. Speaker, I wish to draw the attention of this House to an advertisement which has appeared in recent issues of "The Townsville Daily Bulletin" regarding the sale PROTECTION OF UNBORN QuEENSLANDERS of $5 do-it-yourself will kits. KILLED BY ABORTION Examination of the documents received Mr. W. D. HEWITT (Greenslopes) pre­ sented a petition from 163 citizens of Queens­ by people who pay the $5 and receive the kits land, praying that the Parliament of Queens­ indicates a number of disturbing elements. land will take all the necessary measures My advice is that the kits appear to have to protect the lives of unborn Queenslanders been prepared for use in some State other being killed by abortion. than Queensland. The information supplied concerning the completion of a will is incor­ Petition read and received. rect or misleading in a number of respects. [A similar petition was presented by Mr. In g.eneral terms, the kits certainly do not T. A. White (519 signatories), and this prov1d~ all the information which a person petition was read and received.] proposmg to make a will should have. Mr. Speaker, the compilation of home­ ma.de wills c~n be a very dangerous practice PERSONAL EXPLANATION which sometimes could result in the defeat of a testator's intention or in considerable Mr. KRUGER (Murrumba) (11.9 a.m.), le~al expense. Additionally, safeguards which by leave: I wish to draw the attention of exist when a will is made in a legal office the House to the answer by the Minister are lost. for Mines, Energy and Police to question 19 yesterday (21 November 1979) when the It is . true that will forms enabling the Minister in fact gave an answer which was complet1~n of home-made wills have long misleading to me and the House as a whole been avmlable from law stationers and other in relation to matters of dispute between an sources. As far as the advertisement under electrical contractor and the Electrical Workers and Contractors Board. consideration is concerned, however, the material supplied to those who responded to The Minister said, quoting the relevant it may create a false confidence that the section from his answer- dangers normally associated with home-made "As no suspension or cancellation wills do not exist. resulted it would not be proper to release the names and addresses of the persons I would strongly recommend to all tho-se involved. people who have not made a will that they s~ek the services of a qualified legal practi­ "Two cases are still before the board. tiOner. Where an individual finds himself Should any suspension or cancellation be or herself in circumstances where he or she decided upon details will be published in i~ unable to consult. a lawyer in private prac­ the Industrial Gazette as provided in sec­ tice, then the services of the Public Trust tion 342 (7) of the Electricity Act 1976- Office are available throughout the State. 1979." Mr. Speaker, I believe that the Minister misled the House, and I table a copy of PETITIONS the Queensland Government Industrial Gazette dated 17 November 1979, which DOCUMENTATION OF ABORTION PROCEDURES shows that Brian Joseph Burke of "Wattle­ tree", Hanson Road, Samford, has had his Mr. WARNER (Toowoomba South) pre­ electrical contractor's licence suspended for sented a petition from 490 electors of Too­ a period of three months from 14 November woomba, praying that the Parliament of 1979 to 13 February 1980. 1818 Questions Upon Notice (22 NOVEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice

The same Brian Joseph Burke was men­ Answers:- tioned in an answer to question 20 on the same day by the Minister for Labour Rela­ (I) There was no evidence to connect Antonio Sergi with the marijuana venture tions (Mr. Campbell), which referred to a at Yelarbon in February last year. At the dispute between an Electrical Trades Union time of his arrest, De Felice claimed that official and the same Mr. Burke on 7 a man named Jackson supplied him with December 1974. That dispute was settled the seeds seized by police and Jackson was at a compulsory conference presided over to pay for the use of the property. This by Mr. V. J. Anderson, Industrial Com­ assertion could not be confirmed. missioner. (2) Whilst there is no doubt that it was Mr. Campbell has also misled the house the intention of De Felice to cultivate a by claiming that the dispute arose on 7 large area of ground under cannabis, at December 1974 while Mr. Burke was then the time of police intervention no cannabis a member of the National Party distributing had actually been grown. A quantity of cannabis seeds, together with an amount National Party how-to-vote cards at Samford of money, was found in De Felice's posses­ for the 1974 State election. sion and he was charged on two counts in I also table a statutary declaration from respect thereof. the Electrical Trades Union official con­ He was convicted and fined $1,000 in cerned, which clearly indicates that Mr. respect of the cannabis seeds, and the Campbell's statements were incorrect. second charge in respect of the money was dismissed. The fine imposed was It is interesting to note that Mr. Burke considered an adequate penalty for the is now the endorsed Liberal candidate for offence and no appeal was recommended. the State seat of Everton, so it would appear that the answers given yesterday were an (3) At the time, Roy Pangallo was attempt by the Government to protect a questioned by police but no evidence was Liberal candidate. available to prefer any charge against him. It was not known that he was a cousin of Antonio Sergi. Mr. SPEAKER: Order! The honourable member is not making a personal explana­ tion. He has documents to table. 2. INQUIRY INTO DRUG ACTIVITIES IN Whereupon the honourable member laid QUEENSLAND on the table the documents referred to. Mr. Casey, pursuant to notice, asked the Premier- QUESTIONS UPON NOTICE (1) With roference to his Government's about-face early on the morning of 21 1. ARREST, CONVICTION AND SENTENCING November on the drug issue with his letter OF DRUG OFFENDERS to the Australian Commission of Inquiry into Drugs asking that it extend its hear­ Mr. Casey, pursuant to notice, asked the ings into allegations concerning Queens­ Minister for Mines, Energy and Police- land coalition politicians and police officers, (!) With reference to the marijuana is he aware that while the Australian com­ venture in the Yelarbon area in February mission has concluded its formal hearings 1978 now linked in the New South Wales and i5 in the process of finalising its gen­ royal commission with the Calabrian eral report, there is no barrier to his Honoured Society through the Serai organ­ Government, as one of the commissioning isation in Griffith, is he aware that-the Governments, widening its terms of refer­ Sergi connection was suspected at the ence to include a thorough inquiry into time and actually investigated? all aspects of drug operations in the State? (2) In such circumstances with evidence (2) As his letter to the commission was of . organised drug activity, does he not obviously written before allegations were believe that the fine of $1,000 imposed on made during the debate in Parliament, will the charged man, Guiseppe De Felice, was he now take the action that is easily open extremely light and, in view of demands to his Government to clear the way for a by the Premier for higher penalties, what full-scale inquiry into all drug activities in steps were taken by the police to have Queensland? the Crown Law Office initiate an appeal against the leniency of the sentence? Ansrver:- (3) As another man engaged in the ven­ (1 & 2) The Government has at all ture, Rocco "Roy" Pangallo, who fled times been anxious to have the fullest the scene, is now revealed as a cousin inquiry made into drug activities in of Antonio Sergi, have any moves been Queensland and to that end joined with made to issue a warrant for his arrest? three other States and the Commonwealth Questions Upon Notice [22 NOVEMBER 1979) Questions Upon Notice 1819 in granting identical royal commissions peculiar to a particular participating State to His Honour Mr. Justice Williams of which are not dealt with in the national the Supreme Court of Queensland. The report, proposes, after the delivery of the honourable member is referred to the national report, to review the evidence it Queensland Government Gazette of 27 has received with a view of preparing October 1977, where he will see the very special reports to particular States. It is wide terms of reference given to His completely unnecessary to appoint, at this Honour. stage, a ne\\. royal commission when this commission has investigated the drug In typical fashion--even in a question­ situation in Queensland in accordance with the Leader of the Opposition sets out, its terms of reference for almost two years again, to deliberately mislead the House now, especially as it will be observed from and the people. The Government has not the terms of reference that His Honour decided to ask the Australian Commission has no restrictions on the extent to which of Inquiry into Drugs to extend its hearings he may inquire. The appointment of into allegations concerning "Queensland another royal commission at the present stage would, in effect, be a vote of no coalition politicians and police officers". confidence in His Honour. What the Government has done is to ask the commission to give the utmost prioritv to allegations involving publicity in this State that certain members of the Le<>isla­ 3. A.L.P. PoLICY ON AusTRALIAN tive Assembly and officers of the Qu~ens­ AssisTANCE PLAN land Police Force have been involved in Mr. Lane, pursuant to notice, asked the illeg~l. drug trade. That means not just Minister for Welfare- c~aht10n members as Mr. Casey deliberately tnes to suggest, but Opposition Members (!) With reference to the statement con­ also. tained in the policy handbook of the Queensland Branch of the Australian Labor The. purpose of referring to His Honour Party, which was approved by the Rock­ at this stage the allegations now beincr hampton conference of the Australian n;ade !s to ensure that he will give con': Labor Party in February 1979, in respect sideratiOn to them if he has not already of the Australian Assistance Plan, has he done so. The Government is prepared to noticed that any future State A.L.P. Gov­ let all ~he m~tters be determined in the ernment is pledged to re-implement the appropnate tnbunal rather than use this original concept of the Australian Assist­ House as a means of injuring persons ance Plan? sole!y on allegations and fantasy. This is obv10u~ly another attempt by Mr. Casev (2) Is he aware of the ineffectiveness to dehbe~ately misrepresent the situatio~ of the Australian Assistance Plan as intro­ and to mislead the House and the elector­ duced by the Whitlam Government, and ate. The Government's hands are clean will he give some details of the cost of but . that could pose some worryin~ this plan to the Australian taxpayer over quesli?ns and problems for members the years it was in existence? opposite-! hope that sinks in-who could (3) How much of this expenditure actu­ be. called on to account and to give formal ally reached the welfare consumer as dis­ e.VIden~e and proof of their wild allega­ tiOns m a situation where they can't lie tinct from being expended on professional !Jiuff, or cheat their way out of a self: and administration costs? Imposed con!roversy. They have painted (4) Is he also aware that the policy themselves mto a corner. There are statement is, by the rules of the Australian ~ertau~ aspects associated with druas mvoiv:ng. members opposite which I wi'i! Labor Party, binding on the parliamentary be bn?g!ng to the attention of the royal members of that party? commission . .The commission of inquiry secretary Mr Answers:- GI~mour, has replied to the Govern~ent'~ ( I) Yes. I have seen a copy of the wntten requ~st and has indicated that Australian Labor Party's policy handbook !he c?mmissiOn desires to take steps containing policies approved by the party's ll!'mediately to put itself in a position to Rockhampton conference, and that docu­ give an early report on the matters raised ment states that a State Labor Govern­ by my Gcn ernment. Mr. Gilmour also has ment would legislate for the institution advi~ed. that priority is being given to of the original concept of the Labor fir:ahsat,wn an.d presentation of the com­ Party idea of the Australian Assistance missiOns major report to participating Plan within the State of Queensland. Governments-hopefully within about two weeks. (2) Although the plan may have in some areas encouraged awareness and concern The commission, conscious of the about community problems, its imple­ requirement of dealing with any problems mentation generally was ineffective and 1820 Questions Upon Notice [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice

costly. Before deciding not to continue carriers by providing its own fleet of the plan, our Government carried out a trucks and staff, some of the effects thorough investigation which showed that envisaged would be- its original reservations about the plan (1) (a) Considerable trafiic now brought were well founded. I have been advised to the railways by the contract carriers that the total cost of the plan was would revert to road transport. $15,813,661 during the period from 1974 (b) Railway costs would escalate con­ to 1977. siderably owing to the large numbers of staff it would be necessary to employ (3) The plan was applied differently in both to operate the trucks and to service different areas but the overall assessment and remaintain them and to load and indicates that a very high percentage of the expenditure was consumed in adminis­ unload the goods. tration costs. Some assessments placed the (c) The advantages now gained by the proportion of expenditure on administra­ department through the contract carriers tion costs as high as 60 per cent. doing all the handling of goods from road to rail and vice versa would be lost. (4) My understanding of the situation (d) In regard to employment, the con­ is that the policy decisions of the Labor tract carriers have a capital im·estment ~arty conference are binding on its par­ in excess of $1 O,OGO,OOO in facilities associ­ liamentary members. ated with rail, and the department would have to duplicate these if it entered into competition with these carriers. (e) Apart from the contract carriers, 4. A.L.P. TRANSPORT POLICY hundreds of small carriers throughout Mr. Lane, pursuant to notice asked the Queensland have been seryicing railway Minister for Transport- ' goods sheds for the public and would be displaced if this suggestion were imple­ With reference to the statement con­ mented. tained in the policy handbook of the (2) The GoYernment subscribes to the Queensland Branch of the Australian view that the job of the railways is to Labor Party, which was approved by the haul goods by rail; the job of road trans­ Rockhampton conference of the Austra­ port is to do the road pick-up and lian Labor Party in February, under their delivery. Each is expert in its own field, heading of "Transport Policy" where the and for one to intrude into the domain of the other, as suggested in this Labor pledge ·is made that a Labor Government policy, could only lead to inefiiciency and will acquire a fleet of transport vehicles increased cost to the end user. to introduce a door-to-door goods and parcel delivery service presumably in asso­ ciation with Queensland Railways- 5. CoMMONWEALTH AID, LocAL AUTHORITY RoADS, FUND (!) What effect would the implementa­ Mr. Akers, pursuant to notice, asked the tion of such a policy have on the many Minister for Local Government and Main small and lar;;e businessmen who currently have a large mvestment in delivery vehicles Roads- and carrier services? With reference to the funds for road construction provided by the Common­ (2) Does he have any information that wealth under the C.A.R. programme- shows that a Government-run goods and (!) What is the basis of the Common­ parcel delivery service would provide a wealth Government's distribution of these better or cheaper service than those cur­ funds to the States? rently operated by private enterprise? (2) What is the basis of the State Gov­ ernment's distribution of these funds to Answers:- local authorities and other bodies? (3) Are local authorities bound to spend Whereas it is the policy of a future the funds in any particular way and, if A.L.P. Government to introduce goods so, under what guide-lines? and parcels delivery services, it is pre­ sumed that this would be by railway-owned (4) What were the allocations in vehicles. On the contrary, this Govern­ Queensland to each local authority and ment has introduced a door-to-door parcels other body for each category for 1978-79 delivery service, which is carried out by and 1979-80? our own contract carriers. These services Answer:- have expanded rapidly and are still operat­ ing efiiciently. (! to 4) As the question asked by the honourable member requires the collation Twenty-five Queensland cities and towns of a considerable amount of detailed are served by contract carriers with information, I undertake to provide an general satisfaction to the public. If the answer in writing at the earliest railways went into competition with these opportunity. Questions Upon Notice [22 NovEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice 1821

6. DISPLAY AND INSPECTION OF WINNERS would provide a facility to the people OF ARCHITECTURAL AWARDS of North Queensland who now have to Mr. Akers, pursuant to notice, asked the travel to Brisbane to receive the benefit Minister for Works and Housing- of this particular scan? With reference to the fact that four Answer:- of the five buildings that received awards for 1979 made by the Queensland Chapter I am advised that there has been exten­ of the Royal Australian Institute of sive investigation into the radiological Architects were built under the control of needs of the Townsville General Hospital. the Department of Works and designed Some approvals have already been given by private architects in consultation with for the upgrading and extension of the Works Department architects, including the present facilitie,, Kelvin Grove C.A.E. Education Resource I am further advised that, as a result Centre, which received the Bronze Medal of the representations by the honourable award, the highest award to a building in member for Townsville, the board is pre­ Queensland- sently considering a computeri,~d axial (!) Will he organise a display of the tomography scanner as part o.f the develop­ works of the department in Parliament ment of the diagnostic fa'Ci!ities. House and a tour of the winning buildings so that members of this Parliament and the public can see the very high standard of work being produced by the department 8. FLYING OF QUEENSLAND FLAG AT under the practice of maximum co-opera­ STATE SCHOOLS tion with private enterprise? Mr. Wilson, pursuant to notice, asked (2) Will he assure the House that the the Minister for Works and Housing- Government will continue this support of As all Queensland State schools have Queensland architects and others involved either received or will receive a Queens­ in building? land flag, will he ensure that all State schools are provided with a second flag­ Answers:- pole for the flying of the Queensland flag? I thank the honourable member for inviting attention to the fact that my Answer:- Department of Works, working in con­ Approval has already been gi' en by me junction with private architects, designed for the supply of a second flag-pole upon buildings which received awards of merit receipt of a request from a specific school for 1979 from the Royal Australian and subject to the availability of funds. Institute of Architects, Queensland Chap­ ter. This fact substantiates the good co-operation and liaison which exists between officers of my department and 9. NEw PoLICE STATION, Tov:NsViLLE their colleagues in the profession in private pmctice in providing public build­ Mr. Wilwn, pursuant to notice, asked the ings of a high standard. Minister for Works and Housing- The answers are- (1) Is Townsville to have a new police (1) I will be pleased to confer with the station in keeping with its size and allow­ Honourable the Speaker with a view to ing for its future population growth and, if arranging for a display of these works in so, when will construction start and what Parliament House. Consideration will also is the estimated cost? be given to the possibility of organising (2) Will it accommodate all branches of a tour of the av.ard-winning buildings. the Police Force in Townsville? (2) The honourable member is assured that my Department of Works will con­ (3) With the construction of a new tinue its close co-operation with private police station, will the present Munding­ enterprise at all levels to ensure that the burra Police Station be closed? prov!sion of high quality public buildings contmues. Answers:- (1) Plans and an estimate of cost are being prepared for a new police station 7. DrAGi'Josnc FACILITIES, TowNSVILLE at Townsville but no indkation can be GENERAL HOSPITAL given at this juncture as to when work is likely to start or what the estimated Mr. Wilson, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister for Health- cost of the work will be. As the Tov.nsville General Hospital now (2 & 3) It would be more appropriate has the services of a neurosurgeon, when for these questions to be addressed to my will this hospital be provided with a com­ colleague the Honourable the Minister for puterised axial tomography scanner, which Mines, Energy and Police. 81364-63 1822 Questions Upon Notice (22 NOVEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice

10. LAND FOR NEw HIGH ScHooL, (2) In each case (a) who were the TRINITY BEACH tenderers and what were the details of Mr. Tcnni, pursuant to notice, asked the their quotes, including the price per item Mini,;ter for Works and Housing- before and after application of preference for Queensland made goods, (b) what Will the strip of land adjoining Huon were the terms of the contracts, (c) how Street at Trinity Beach, which is between many items were ordered and what were the present Trinity Beach Primary School the terms, and (d) were other tenders and the proposed new high-school land, of a lower price submitted and, if so, be purchased in conjunction with the what vvere the reasons for their rejection? purchase of the high-school land? Answer:- Answer:- (1 & 2) The time of officers in State I will arrange for this matter to be Stores is much better spent in productive investigated at an early date to see if work than in tracing back history over it is possible to acquire those adjoining a period of six years as requested by the allotments with a frontage to Huon Street honourable member. I therefore do not to enlarge the site presently being propose to instruct my officers to proceed acquired for a State high school at Trinity with such a detailed examination. Beach. If, however, the honourable member will indicate just what he is actually inter­ ested in resolving, I will arrange for the 11. MACHAN's BEACH STATE ScHooL extraction of such information as will be sufficient to meet his demands. Mr. Tenni, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister for Works and Housing- (!) When will approval be granted for 13. SUPPLY OF OVERALLS FOR RAILWAY external and roof painting of the DEPARTMENT principal's residence at the Machan's Beach State School? Mr. Underwood, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister for Industry and Administra­ (2) When will a covered play area and tive Services- covered walkway to the toilets be con­ structed at this school? With reference to combination overalls supplied this year under contract to the Government by Hardie Trading Ltd.- Answers:- (1) HO\v many have been delivered to (1) Approval in principle was recently date? given for external and roof painting of this residence to be undertaken. The (2) How many have been returned by District Supervisor of Works, Cairns, is departments to (a) State Stores, (b) the preparing the necessary documents and he supplier, and (c) another place? will be inviting quotations locally for this (3) What are the reasons for the return v\ork in about two weeks' time. of the overalls and how many items have (2) The District Architect, Townsville, been returned to the above places for is presently preparing plans and an esti­ each reason? mate of cost for this work. Upon receipt (4) Who held this contract previously of these documents, which is expected and for what period of time? within a few weeks, consideration will be (5) If it was not Hardie Trading Ltd., given to approval of this work in relation (a) how many overalls were supplied, (b) tc the funds available, but also having how many were returned to (i) the State due regard to the honourable member's Stores Board, (ii) the supplier and (iii) previous representations that this project another place, and (c) what were the merits special consideration because of the reasons for the return of the overalls lo;::al climatic conditions. and how many items have been returned to (i) and (ii) and (iii) for each reason? (6) What are the details and specifica­ 12. TOOWOOMBA LABELS AND BADGES tions of the approved method for pre­ AND BRADMILL INDUSTRIES LTD. shrinking by the supplier of the combina­ Mr. Underwood, pursuant to notice, asked tion overalls as mentioned in his answer the Minister for Industry and Administrative to my question on 6 September? Services- (7) What were the actual results of the (1) Have the firms Toowoomba Labels tests carried out by the Government and Badges and Bradmill Industries Ltd. Chemical Laboratory for each sample and or Bradmill Industries (Qld.) Ltd. submitted? won Government contracts or orders in (8) What are the details and methods the last six years and, if so, when and for of the tests carried out bv the Govern­ what items? ment Chemical Laboratory for these tests? Questions Upon Notice [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice 1823

(9) What were the specifications of each 15 & 16. RETURN OF UNSOLD of the cloth samples submitted for testing BREAD before and after testing? Dr. Lockwood, pursuant to notice, asked Answer:- the Minister for Primary Industries- (1 to 9) The detailed information being With reference to the Bread Industry sought. by the honourable member will Committee's Preliminary Code of Trading necessitate quite a deal of research and Practice said to be effective immediately- will take some time to document. As soon as the appropriate details are avail­ (!) In the total absence of regulaticns able, I shall forward them to the honour­ pursuant to the Bread Industry Committee able member. Act 1979, how does the committee pro­ pose to enforce the restriction of daily returns of unsold wrapped bread and rolls to 10 per cent? 14. POLICE RAIDS ON S.P. BETTING OPERATIONS AND MASSAGE PARLOURS (2) Will the 10 per cent be applied to the value of the total bread delivered, Mr. Underwood, pursuant to notice, asked or refer only to a numerical count of the Minister for Mines, Energy and Police- wrapped bread or rolls as the case may (1) Has the current head of the be? Licensing Branch, Inspector Pat Daly, to (3) Since the product not to be returned inform, on a daily basis, Assistant Com­ has a monetary value, does not this mean missioner Hayes about raids on S.P. bet­ that the committee will be applying ting operations and massage parlours? economic sanctions against individual per­ (2) Has this been the normal practice, sons, companies or corporations without and, if not, why have changes been the backing of the law? instituted and on what date? Answer:- (3) Was a meeting held in 1978 between himself, the Premier, and the then head (! to 3) Regarding the matters raised of the Licensing Branch, Inspector in the three•part question concerning the Jeppesen, on the 17th floor of Lennons Bread Industry Committee, I would advise Hotel, and for what reasons? the honourable member that I have con­ tacted the Bread Industry Committee in ( 4) Why was it held at Lennons Hotel this regard and I will be able to advise instead of at the offices of his department, him further by letter on receipt of their the Premier or Police Headquarters? reply. (5) Did Inspector Jeppeson inform him and the Premier of corruption and related activities involving senior police and members of the public? Dr. Lockwood, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister for Primary Industries- (6) What action has been taken on the information supplied by Jeppesen? Has he obtained legal opinion from the Crown Law Office, Solicitor-General or legal counsel as to the legality of the Answers:- Bread Industry Committee's attempt to (1) Inspector P. D. Da:ly has been an restrict bread returns in the total absence inspector at the C. I. Branch since 5 of regulations pursuant to the Bread Mal'ch 1979. Inspector R. Rigney, who Industry Committee Act 1979 and, if so, has been officer in charge of the Licensing will he now release that opinion and, if Branch since 18 February 1979 confers not, will he seek such an opinion as a regularly with the Assistant Commissioner matter of extreme urgency? (Operations), Assistant Commissioner R. B. Hayes. Answer:- (2) Following an investigation into the Whilst I have obtained legal opinion on affairs at the Licensing Branch about various matters relating to the Bread twelve months ago when ex-Ins,pector Industry Act, I have not received advice W. D. A. Jeppesen was in charge of that on the specific matter raised and I do not branch, this practice was implemented and propose to seek further opinion at this it follmvs normal police procedure of stage. regular conferences between senior officers. In accordance with the provisions of the Bread Industry Act, I have approved that (3 to 6) I have many meetings with the committee be empowered to establish a officers of the Police Force at various code of trading practice for the bread places and I have no intention of divulging industry and I understand that the actions the names of the people I meet or the taken so far by the committee have been subject of the discussions. in this regard. 1824 Questions Upon Notice [22 NOVEMBER 1979) Questions Upon Notice

17. A.L.P. ATTITUDE TO PoLICY STATE- was adopted at the mass meeting of trade 1\!ENTS IN CoMMUNIST PARTY unionists cailed to consider the Govern­ pUBLICATIONS ment's Essential Services Act. Mr. Frawley, pursuant to notice, asked the Premier- 18. OPPOSITION ALLEGATIONS OF INVOLVE­ (1) Is he aware of policy statements and MENT OF MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT articles in the latest editions of Communist AND POLICE IN DRUG MALPRACTICES Party of Australia publications "Impact" Mr. Frawley, pursuant to notice, asked and "Workers' Voice" which dearly estab­ the Premier- lish a direct relationship between that party, the A.L.P. and the trade union ( 1) As the Leader of the Opposition movement in their stands on the 35-hour and other Opposition members failed week issue and the Essential Services Act miserably, on the night of 20 November 1979? and the morning of 21 November in the House, to back up or substantiate their {2) 1ln view of the A.L.P.-supported wild assertions on alleged connections or union strike action on both issues in involvement in the drug trade by Govern­ recent weeks advocated by the Communist ment members and police, what action will Party, wiii he seek an assurance from the his Government take to ensure that Opposi­ Leader of the Opposition that his partv tion members are formally called on to will oppose other radical protest action fully substantiate their allegations or such as miiies, stop-work meetings, and repudiate them and apologise to the House other on-the-job agitation advocated by for deliberately misleading it? the Communist Party in the two publica­ tions? (2) Will his Government ensure or ask that Opposition members be formally subpoenaed to appear before the joint Com­ Ans1ver:~ monwealth-State Williams Commission of (I & 2) I do not think that any members Inquiry into Drugs, where they will be . this side of the Chamber, or many under oath to give honest answers and people in the general community, would proof to back up the as yet unsub­ be surprised by the relationship between stantiated olaims made by Opposition mem­ the Communist Party, sections of the Labor bers as part of the Opposition's publicity­ Party and the trade union movement as seeking smear campaign on the drugs highlighted by the honourable membe'r. issue? The. Communist Party publications refened to, "Impa,ct" and "Workers' Answer:- Voice", have been widely distributed by (! & 2) Mr. Justice W:Jiiams has par~y and trade union sources, especially already been appointed as a royal com­ dunng recent trade union and A.L.P. miSSioner to inquire into all aspects of campaigns against the essential services the drug traffic in Queensland. The pur­ legislation and union strikes and other pose of the reference of the latest allega­ action~-supported by the A.L.P.-on the tions is to ensure that His Honour will power industry 35-hour week issue. give them whatever attention they deserve. One would expect that the persons making Seyeral statements in both publications the allegations will now be prepared to have been repeated-almost word for word give whatever information they possess, if in some cases-by A.L.P. and trade union they have any, to the commission. Mr. spokesmen in Press statements and on radio Justice Williams is assisted by senior and and T.V., during recent strikes and other junior counsel whose task it will be to uniou-initiated actions on both issues. determine what matter is to be placed The Opposition Leader (Mr. Casey) is on before His Honour. It is not for the record as supporting recent strike action Government to determine who should be and ?ther tactics such as rallies, stopwork called, and the Government has no wish meetmgs and other protests promoted by to interfere with the functions of the trade unions and other radical groups, commission. It is open to the commiss,jon including the Communist Party in these to subpoena any person to appear before publications and elsewhere. ' it. One would hope that, if the honour­ able members of the Opposition have any So, of course, I do not expect the Opposi­ relevant information, they will voluntarily tion Leader to "buck" his Trades Hall mas­ offer themselves to give evidence without ters now, at this late stage, to show some being forced under penalty to do so. concern for the community at large-for a change-instead of only the radical sec­ However, I would point out that, if the tions of the trades union movement which members concerned do appear before the call the tune in the A.IL.P. in Queensland. commission, they will have to be much more honest and open and produce evid­ This, and the link between the Trades ence to the commission which can be Hail, the Communist Party and the A.L.P., substantiated and not adopt the sensation­ was made very evident recently by the seeking approach, as they have done in resolution supported by the A.L.P., which this House. Questions Upon Notice [22 NovEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice 1825

19 & 20. RABY BAY DEVELOPMENT (6) This is not correct. The Raby Bay SCHEME area is of minor importance compared to Moreton Banks and other similar areas Mr. Mackenroth, pursuant to notice, asked in the eastern part of Moreton Bay. the Minister for Maritime Services and Tourism- (7) The loss of this area is not likely to be of significance to fishing activities. (1) With reference to an item concern­ ing mangroves in "The Courier-Mail" of 1 November that Florida (United States of Mr. Mackenroth, pursuant to notice, asked America) authorities had found mangroves the Minister for Lands, Forestry and Water to be twice as productive economically Resources- as sugar-cane and ten times as productive As it was stated in the "Redland Times" as wheat, will the removal of mangrove of 7 November that he had received over areas, such as in the Raby Bay area, affect 1,000 letters supporting the Raby Bay the environment and have a harmful long­ canal development, how many letters has term affect on aquatic life? he received to date supporting the scheme, (2) Will the interruption of the prawn and how many has he received against breeding grounds affect the Queensland the scheme? fishing industry, and what socio-economic Answer:- effect will be the result? I am not aware of the orJgm of the (3) What i> the significance of the fish­ statement that I have received over 1,000 ing industry to the Redlands area? letters supporting the Raby Bay canal (4) Does the Raby Bay area play an development. I have in fact received important role in the perpetuation of a considerable amount of correspond­ aquatic resources? ence in this regard, and the relationship of letters in favour of the development (5) Is Raby Bay a suitable area for as opposed to those against the develop­ long-term marine management, e.g., is it ment is in the ratio of 2 to 1. suitable for the formation of fish habitat reserves? (6) Is he aware that a significant per­ 21. NEw RAILWAY WoRKSHOPS, TowNsVILLE centage of the total sea-grass area of NORTH Moreton Bay falls within the Raby Bay Mr. Mackenroth, pursuant to notice, asked canal development? the Minister for Transport- (7) What effect will the loss of this Are new railway workshops proposed important sea-grass nursery ground have for the Townsville North yard and, if so, on the amateur and commercial fishing when is the likely commencement date for industry of Moreton Bay? this project? Answer:- An~wers:- Yes. A new wagon-repair shop has (1) The article in "The Courier-Mail" already bee:1 provided as the first stage of of 1 November is not based on local this project. The continuation of this conditions. Mangrove areas are not all work is governed by the availability of equally productive and, in consequence, finance. removal of mangroves does not always result in significant effects on the environ­ ment or aquatic life. 22. \VATER SUPPLY, IWASAKI PROJECT (2)-(a & b) It is unlikely that there Mr. Bums, pursuant to notice, asked the \Vill be any significant socio-economic Minister for Lands, Forestry and Water effect on the Queensland fishing industry Resources- resulting from disturbance of the Raby ( I) Was the Iwasaki group given a six­ Bay area. month extension of an Order in Council relating to its tourist project to the end (3) The fishing industry of the Redlands of this year to prove water was available area forms only a small part of the over­ on the land to supply its highly publicised all Moreton Bay fishery. Statistics are international resort and its promised not available to separately identify its significance. hundreds of thousands of tourists? (2) If water is not available on the site (4) Raby Bay forms a small portion and Iwasaki is not able to provide the only of Moreton Bay and is not con­ necessary water supply, will the Living­ sidered to play an important role in the stone Shire Council be required to supply overall Moreton Bay region. the large amounts of water sought? (5) It is not suitable for declaration (3) Has his department investigated the as a fish habitat reserve, as the area works undertaken by Iwasaki and his does not meet established criteria for representatives to date to prove water selection of conservation areas. supplies? 1826 Questions Upon Notice [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice

( 4) Will he give details of these investi­ 23. INVESTIGATION OF MEATWORKS BY gations, as well as the results of any PRIVATE INQUIRY AGENCY investigation into the problems the Living­ Mr. Burns, pursuant to notice, asked the stone Shire Council will experience in Minister for Primary Industr,ies- meeting the extra demand, and any potential water rate increases involved? (1) Is he aware of statements by a person called Schaffinous that Pinkertons Detective Agency is investigating the meat An5Wers:- industry in this State and that Keith (l) Under the provisions of the Queens­ Martin, a former policeman, is currently land International Tourist Centre Agree­ being employed by various meatworks to ment Act 1974, Messrs Iwasaki Sangyo carry out this investigation? (Aust.) Pty. Ltd., were required within (2) Is he aware of the unrest this six months of the agreement coming into person's statements are causing in meat­ force to provide the Commissioner of works? Water Resources with a proposal for the (3) Will he provide details of this detailed investigation of the ground-water investigation, its cost, and the reasons for resources of certain areas of land. such an appointment and investigation? Representatives of the company sub­ mitted to the commissioner within the Answers:- prescribed time a proposal which required (1) No. However, I am reminded that the company to initially make an assess­ about two months ago serious allegations ment of its water requirements. This were being made that large scale illegal proposal also included the proposition that introductions of meat into the Townsville consideration of the ground-water investi­ public abattoir area were seriously affecting gation programme be deferred until the the throughput at the public abattoir and location and time at which water is required jeopardising the jobs of persons employed was known. there. The a1legations were widely reported The commissioner found this proposal by the media. acceptable but made it conditional upon (2) The Queen~land Meat Industry the results of the assessment of water Organization and Marketing Authority is requirements being made known to him the body responsible for control of the by 31 December 1979 and the proposal introduction of meat into declared areas. for the investigation programme being sub­ It had received representations from various bodies including the Australian mitted before 31 March 1980. Meat Industry Employees' Union concern­ (2) _The Act provides that the company ing the situation in Townsville. negotiate an agreement with the Living­ (3) The authority engaged a private stone Shire Council for the supply of inquiry agency for a short period to water to the centre if supply from ground­ investigate the allegations. However, the water sources is not available. As I aLlegations were not able to be sub­ understand the situation the Livingstone stantiated. Shire Council is prepared to enter into an agreement with the company for the sup­ ply of water to the centre on mutually favourable terms. 24. Bus AND RAIL SERVICES, WYNNUM/ MANLY /LOTA AREA (3) The commissioner on 5 November received details of the ground-water investi­ Mr. Burns, pursuant to notice, asked the gation programme proposed by the com­ Minister for Transport- pany.. This programme is currently being (!) Has a final decision been m~de on exammed by the commissioner. the application of Bayside Bus Servrces of Wynnum/Manly for substantial reductions (4) The investigation programme as sub­ in bus services to the bayside areas? mitted provides for the sinking of a num­ ber of test bores throughout the centre (2) What reductions were sought by the area and for several of these to be sub­ company, and did the company suggest jected to pump test to enable an assess­ that it provide no service after midday ment of available supply to be made. The Saturday and no services at all on Sunday? commissioner will shortly advise the com­ (3) What are the final number of pany on the adequacy of the proposed services that will now be provided each programme. day in and out of the city, and what I am not aware of any problems involved number of services have been lost each with supply from the Livingstone Shire way on each day? Council, should this be required, or of (4) What subsidy or financial assistance any potential water rate increases that has been paid to this company since such may involve. I would presume, how­ the inception of the scheme to assist ever, that any agreement entered into privately owned bus services? Is this sub­ by the shire would seek to minimise the sidy paid on each ticket and, if not, how latter. is it determined? Questions Upon Notice [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice 1827

(5) What services will be provided on (5) Week-end services will travel week-ends to suburbs such as Cannon directly along Wynnum Road and will Hill, Lindum, Hemmant, Wynnum West, include the suburbs of Wakerley, Ran­ Wynnum North, Murarrie and Tingalpa? some, Manly West, Wynnum West, Wyn­ (6) What rail services are provided num North, Wynnum, Manly and Lota. daily by the Railway Department on the (6) Twenty-seven trains run from Lota Roma Street to Lota line? to Brisbane Central and 28 trains run (7) Have any of these services been between Brisbane Central and Lota on reduced or altered in the last two years? each weekday. (8) What are the bus and rai'l fares from (7) This represents an increase of four Brisbane to Lota, single and return? services over the number which operated Answers:- prior to the opening of the Merivale (1) The Commissioner for Transport, Bridge in November 1978. Alterations after detailed investigation and in con­ ,have also been made to the departure sultation with the Metropolitan Transit times of some trains. Authority and the proprietor, approved an (8) The single bus fare from Brisbane alteration to the frequency of services to Lota for adults is 80c, for students, conducted by Lewis Bus Lines between 55c, and for children, 40c. No concession Brisbane and the Wynnum/Manly /Lota is provided for return fares. The single area to take effect as from 5 November rail fare between iLota and Brisbane 1979, following a reduction in patronage Central is 90c. with the opening of the cross-river Meri­ vale Bridge rail link. (2) The company sought to reduce ser­ 25. TOURIST FACILITIES, MORETON ISLAND vices as follows:- Mr. T. A. White, pursuant to notice, Monday to F~iday- asked the Premier- Inbound to the city-73 services per In relation to a recent booklet published day to 62 services per day bv "The Courier-Mail" entitled "Dollar Outbound from the city-69 services B-ook of Great Weekends" where he has per day to 61 services per day commended week-end trips to Moreton The company did apply to ddete all Island, will he inform the House- services operated after midday Saturday (!) What provisions is his Government and on Sunday and public holidays, but making to control matters such as garbage this was not approved. disposal and hygiene? (3) Services now being provided are as follows:- - (2) Is his Government proposing to set aside defined camping sites for these Monday to Friday- people? Tnbound to the city-62 services, a reduction of 11 services per day (3) Are rangers going to be appointed to supervise camping sites, littering and Outbound from the city-61 ser­ destruction of the natural habitat? vices, a reduction of 8 services per day (4) Will his Government give urgent Saturdays- consideration to appointing an overall Inbound to the city-12 services, a authority to administer Moreton Island, reduction of 12 services per day as recommended in the Cook inquiry? Outbound from the city-12 services, a reduction of 12 services per day Answer:- Sundays and public holidays­ (1 to 4) Following receipt of the report Inbound to the city-3 services, a of the Committee of Inquiry-Future Land reduction of 3 services per day Use-Moreton Island, the Government established a committee to advise it on the Outbound from the city-3 services, future development of the island. I expect a reduction of 3 services per day. to receive the committee's report, which (4) Since the commencement of the will deal with the matters raised by the financial assistance schemes on 1 Januarv honourable member, in the near future. 1976, Le.wis Bus Lines has received sub­ Provision for the control of matters such sidies totalling $540,396.09 in respect of as garbage disposal and hygiene is princi­ the provision of passenger services in the pally the Brisbane City Council's respon­ Wynnum/Manly/Lota area and between sibility, but it is one of the issues under the city and these suburbs. consideration by the committee. The subsidy is calculated as a percentage of the revenue earned from fares co1lected on these services. Current,ly a subsidy 26. MILK PRICES of 30 per cent of route revenue is pro­ vided to proprietors of urban bus services Mr. T. A. White, pursuant to notice, with an additional 10 per cent in cases asked the Minister for Primary Industries- where needed, determined on the basis (]) With reference to the recent deci­ of a prescribed formula. sion by the Milk Board to force Jack 1828 Questions Upon Notice (22 NOVEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice

the Slasher stores to discontinue dis­ a whole range of teacher activities were counting milk, is the policy of the Queens­ to be examined. Every effort was to be land Milk Board of maintaining regulated made to ensure that teacher time spent retail prices on milk in contravention of with classes was maximised. Following the trade practices legislation? the consideration of these guide-lines, it (2) If not, why is a private enterprise was determined to reduce advisory and Government supporting such a policy support services and to return such teachers when suppliers and manufacturers of other to direct class duties. Theatre in Educa­ products are denied the right of regulated tion, while recognised as a support ser­ prices and operate under normal market vice providing very considerable educa­ conditions? tional benefits, was one of such services discontinued. Answer:- (5) The clear statement of Government (1 & 2) Cnder the Commonwealth Con­ policy that expenditure on education must stitution the power to fix prices resides be contained in this and future years with the States, and I would not consider does not allow the development or main­ the fixing of milk prices to be in con­ tenance of such programmes, no matter travention of the Trade Practices Act. how educational o-r culturally desirable they The initiatiYe in formulating milk prices may be. rests with the Queensland Milk Board (6) As additional funds are not avail­ constituted under the Milk Supply Act able, I am not in a position to reconsider 1977. The board's policy is designed to the position. ensure the maintenance of a stable and viable milk industry in Queensland and that policy has the support of the Govern­ 28. MOVEMENT OF SoUTH AUSTRALIAN ment. CoMPANIES TO QUEENSLAND Mr. Houston, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister for Industrv and Administrative 27. THEATRE IN EDUCATION Services- - Mr. W. D. Hewitt, pursuant to notice, With reference to his claim tl:at 60 asked the Minister for Education- South Au<;tralian firms have moved to (!) What is the annual cost of Theatre Queensland in the last few years, will he in Education? name these firms and advise where they have been situated and the nature of their (2) How many teachers are involved in business? it? (3) What is the estimate of the number Answer:- of children who enjoy contact with it I do not see any good purpose being each year? served by compiling a dossier along the (4) What are the reasons for the pro­ lines suggested by the honourable member. posed termination of its activities? Furthermore, I regard the matter as one which is the concern of those involved. (5) At a time when greater emphasis If they wish to publicise the fact that they is being placed on leisure industries, have moYed their operations to Queens­ millions have been spent on a cultural land, then that is up to them. How­ centre and the need for more contact ever, let me assure the honourable mem­ with the theatre is widely recognised, how ber that the movements to which he has can the curtailment of this most valued referred have taken place and cover a activity be justified? wide range of businesses. (6) Will he reconsider the decision?

Answers:- 29. POPULATION INCREASES IN QUEENS­ (1) $277,425.00 LA0:D AND NEW SOUTH WALES Mr. Houston, pursuant to notice, asked (2) Twenty-one teachers. the Minister for Labour Relations- (3) It is estimated that approximately As Queensland's population from 31 45,000 children attended and participated December 1977 to 31 December 1978 in performances during the current year. increased by 36,923 or .97 per cent while (4) As stated in the Treasurer's Finan­ the New South Wales population increased cial Statement, the Education Department by 63,462 or 1.27 per cent, will he explain was required to undertake a complete why Queensland had a lower percentage review of the whole range of its services increase in population last year than the and programmes with a view to increas­ Labor State of New South Wales? ing efficiency in every possible way and providing a more economic operation gen­ Answer:- erally. My department was asked to look The honourable member's quotation of at the more effective use of existing a population increase for Queensland of teacher strength in terms of available 36,923 between 31 December 1977 and needs. Existing procedures in relation to 31 December 1978 appears in fact to be Questions Upon Notice [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Questions Without Notice 1829

the increase for Victoria. Between 31 members of the T.A.B. Agents' Associa­ December 1977 and 31 December 1978 tion pay their employees in accordance the population of Queensland increased by with the Clerks' Award. 24,487, equivalent to an annual rate of (2 & 3) There is no restriction on the growth of 1.14 per cent, while the popu­ employment of males at T.A.B. a.\lencies. lation of New South Wales increased by 63,996 or 1.29 per cent. Except for the year 1978, in every year 31. SOUTH COAST FIRE BRIGADE BOARD since 1971 (the earliest year for which Mr. P. N. D. White, pursuant to notice, the Australian Bureau of Statistics has asked the Minister for Mines, Energy and produced comparable population estimates) Police- the rate of growth of population in Queens­ land has exceeded that of New South ( I) Who are the Government Wales. As the table below shows, the appointees to the South Coast Fire rate of growth in Queensland of 1.40 Brigade Board? per cent for the year ended June 1978 also (2) When were they appointed? exceeded that of 1.11 per cent recorded in New South Wales. (3) What is the procedure for appoint­ ing members to fire brigade boards, i.e., ANNUAL RATE OF POPULATION GROWTH (1) who makes the recommendations and who Year ended Queensland New South makes the appointment? 31 December Wales (4) What are the general criteria used 1972 2.92 1.08 in deciding whether a man is suitable for 1973 2.92 0.93 appointment to a board? 1974 2.70 1.30 (5) Was the appointment of any of the 1975 1.36 0.35 Government appointees to the South Coast 1976 0.92 0.76 Fire Brigade Board discussed with any of 1977 1.58 0.94 the parliamentary members of the area 1978 1.14 1.29 covered by the board and, if so, which Year ended members? 30 June 1972 2.72 1.44 Answers:- 1973 2.83 0.98 ( I) Councillor E. G. Wood (Redland 1974 2.96 0.96 Shire) and Alderman N. C. Rix (Gold 1975 1.85 0.93 Coast City). 1976 1.33 0.61 (2) 24 February 1972 and 25 October 1977 1.19 0.86 1979, respectively. 1978 1.40 1.11 (3 & 4) Anybody can make a recom­ (1) Source: Population and Vital Statis- mendation in respect of the appointment tics, Australian Bureau of Statistics of a member to a fire brigade board. (Catalogue No. 3212.0) Generally, the parliamentary representa­ The recent departure from the trend is tives in the area served by the board make due to the pattern of migration, which, recommendations to me of persons who in recent times, has displayed erratic they consider would be suitable for appoint­ m0\7ernent. ment to the board. The appointment is made by the Governor in Council. (5) The honourable member for South 30. EMPLOYEES, T.A.B. AGENCIES Coast, the Minister for Local Govern­ ment and Main Roads, made a recom­ Mr. Houston, pursuant to notice, asked mendation to me in the case of Mr. Rix, the Depclty Prem~er and Treamrer- following the vacancy created by the death (1) What is the basis of payment to of JVIr. V. F. Thurecht. employees of T.A.B. agencies? (2) Is there any restriction on the employment of males at T.A.B. agencies QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE and, if so, v h::t are they? DEFERHAL OF UPDATING OF BRISBANE AIRPORT (3) If not, will he make sure the T.A.B. management is informed accordingly? Mr. CA§EY: In asking the Minister for Transport this question I refer to the dis­ graceful recommendation by the Liberal and All':wers:- National Party-dominated Public Works (1) 1\.gencics are those T.A.B. offices Committee of the Federal Parliament to defer that arc conducted by ::·n agent on a improvement works on the Brisbane Airport commission basis. Agents who are members until at least 1986, and I now ask him: of the T.A.B. Agents' A5sociation and In view of his current round of discussions whose employees are members of the with the domestic airlines in relation to Federated Clerks' Union pay a flat rate flight arrangements that emanate from and to their employees under the appropriate terminate in Brisbane, and in line with his industrial agreement. Agents v,ho are not ministerial responsibilities for air transport 1830 Questions Without Notice [22 NOVEMBER 1979) Questions Without Notice within Queensland, what pressure is he ASSOCIATION OF MEMBERS FOR ARCHERFIELD applying to the airlines to ensure that the AND WOODRIDGE WITH PERSONS CoNNECTED Brisbane Airport is upgraded in accordance WITH DRUG TRAFFIC with the needs of the State's capital'? What assuran~es has he from the airlines that the Mr. ROW: I ask the Premier: Further to present overcrowded terminals, with their the question asked yesterday by the honour­ substandard amenities, will be rebuilt in time able member for Barron River of the for the 1982 Commonwealth Games? Will Minister in charge of Police about reports he, in addition, make representations to the of association of the member for Archerfield two airlines for a similar improvement pro­ (Mr. K. J. Hooper) and the member for gramme to be carried out to their terminals Woodridge (Mr. D'Arcy) with persons con­ at every provincial city in Queensland, where nected with the drug traffic, is he aware we now see the worst set of buildings and o.f the statements in this Parliament on 10 the worst lack of facilities for the travellin" October 1978 by the member for Archer­ public in any State in Australia? ~ field about a combined police action last year at Billinudgel near Murwillumbah? Is he also aware that at a road block manned by Mr. TOMKINS: I have had lengthy dis­ Queensland and New 'South Wales pnlice cussions with both airlines but they were Luc Tournier, David Hallmark and Neal not in any way about aerodromes. Caring Hardman were arrested? Is he aware that for aerodromes is a Federal matter, it is the member fm Archerfield complained in covered by the Federal people. this House about the police action and defended these men who were arrested and Mr. Casey: Aren't you interested in it? charged in connection with drug offences? Is he aware that Luc Tournier absconded Mr. TOMKINS: The announcement has from bail granted during court proceedings only just been made. I shall await develop­ at Murwillumbah? Will he ensure that this ments. incident and reports of other associations between those two Labor members and per­ sons connected with drugs are brought to REPRESENTATIONS TO PRIME MINISTER TO the notice of the joint Queensland/Federal DISMISS MR. AL GRASSBY Government royal commission for investiga­ tion? Mr. ROW: I ask the Premier: Will he make urgent representations to the Prime Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: Honourable Minister to get rid of his court jester and members opposite may try to laugh this salaried clown (Mr. AI Grassby) before he matter off, but it is very serious and has 'creates any further fallaciom sensations wide ramifications. It is completely hypo­ against innocent groups of people such as critical for Opposition members to speak the Queensland Aboriginal community? glibly about wanting an inquiry into drugs and seeking to implicate Government mem­ Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: I have long bers in the drug scene, when they are on since made representations to the Prime record-much of it in "Hansard"-as having Minister about this person in relation to his defended known drug offenders who have supposed duties and the attitude that he been fined heavily for dealing in drugs. They adopts in trying to divide the nation, split have denigrated police efforts to bring such the community and create different groups. offenders to justice. His latest report proves to me that he has It is very disturbing to consider the way no understanding or appreciation of Abo­ the Labor Party and honourable members riginal problems in Queensland which, again, opposite have continually and vigorously sup­ would justify his dismissal from his present ported and defended drug pushers. It is a position. very serious matter and I want tn highlight that point today. Over quite a long period, Mr. R. J. Gibbs: He has more under­ the Labor Party and Labor members of this standing than you. The only experience you House and of the Federal House have been have-- very strong in their support of drug pushers and drug criminals. Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I \Varn the honour­ Let me use Cedar Bay as an illustration. able member for Wolston. This gives a clear picture of how the Labor Party is completely and utterly involved in the drug traffic and the drug scene in this Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: If Mr. Grassby State. Mr. Melloy, who is no longer a mem­ were to go into areas administered by the ber, vigorously supported the people from Northern Territory or to any other State Cedar Bay who were heavily fined. He con­ except Queensland he would realise that he tinually tried to defend them in this House. does no1 know his subject and does not face When Mr. Burns was Leader of the Oppo­ up to his responsibilities. I can only say sitinn, he strongly supported the people who that if he had been employed in Queensland were caught and fined because of drug­ he would have been dismissed long ago for trafficking. There was also Mr. Hayden. incompetence and la,ck of adequate know­ ledge of his subject. Opposition Members interjected. Questions Without Notice [22 NovEMBER 1979} Supply (Estimates) 1831

Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: It is all in be a slur on the party and a slur on every "Hansard", and they cannot get out of it. member of the Opposition. It is offensive to Right across the board, the Labor Party me and I ask that it be withdrawn. has been heavily involved for a long time in Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I ask the Premier the drug-traffic trade and in supporting these for a withdrawal. people. That is quite obvious. Senator Keeffe, Mr. Wright, Senator Colston, Senator Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: O.K. Part of Georges and Mr. Jones supported what was Labor's platform is decriminalisation of going on. They vigorously supported the marijuana. They cannot get out of it. people at Cedar Bay. Mr. Yewdale supported The honourable member for Archerfield them vigorously. It is all on record. These has risen in this Chamber and strongly and are some of the things that will come to vigorously continued to defend the people the surface and show that the Labor Party involved in the incident in New South Wales. in and out of season is the greatest champion of the drug pushers and drug industry in Mr. K. J. HOOPER: I rise to a point of Queensland. That is its policy. order. I hate taking points of order, so I usually do not take them. I certainly have Mr. R. J. GIBBS: I rise to a point of order. never defended drugs. I have always attacked The Premier made reference to drug-pushing them and I have attacked the weakness of being part of the policy of the Labor party. the Government in dealing with Queensland's I find that offensive because no section of drug connection. the Labor Party policy makes reference to drugs or legalisation of them in any shape or Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: It is all in form. I find that remark offensive and I ask "Hansard". It shows the way Labor has that it be withdrawn. vigorously defended them. I have read it carefully. In the interests of justice I shall Mr. SPEAKER: Order! The Honourable bring these reports to the attention of the the Premier. royal commission. Everybody can be quite sure about that. Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: I am quite At 12 noon, aware of the incident at Billinudgel. In accordance with the provzswns of Mr. R. J. GIBBS: I rise to a point of order. Standing Order No. 307, the House went I took a point of order, Mr. Speaker. I do into Committee of Supply. not know whether you ruled on it. I asked that the remarks made by the Premier, which I find offensive, be withdrawn. There is no SUPPLY reference in the Labor Party policy to the RESUMPTION OF COMMITTEE-ESTIMATES­ legalisation of marijuana or any other drug ELEVENTH AND TWELFTH ALLOTTED DAYS I ask that the comment be withdrawn. It is completely untrue. (The Chairman of Committees, Mr. W. D. Hewitt, Greenslopes, in the chair) Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: O.K. I will put it this way: Labor Party's policy is set out, EsTIMATES-IN -CHIEF, 1979-80 and I will give the honourable member a copy of its platform in regard to the decrim­ CULTURE, NATIONAL PARKS AND RECREATION inalisation of marijuana if he has not seen CHIEF OFFICE, DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE, it. He cannot get out of it. NAriONAL PARKS AND RECREATION Mr. R. J. GIBBS: I rise to a point of order. Hon. I. J. GIBBS (Albert-Minister for I have asked-- Culture, National Parks and Recreation) Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I heard the point (12.1 p.m.): I move- of order. "That $2,256,563 be granted for 'Department of Culture, National Parks Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: I have made it and Recreation-Chief Office'." quite clear. The honourable member has to It is my honour to present for constructive accept it. He cannot get out of it. discussion the Estimates of the Department Mr. R. J. GIBBS: I rise to a point of order. of Culture, National Parks and Recreation for the period 1979-80. In doing so I pay Honourable Members interjected. tribute to my predecessor in office, the Honourable Tom Newbery, M.L.A., who Mr. SPEAKER: Order! The House will was given the complex task of establishing come to order until I have heard the point the portfolio as a separate department of of order. State in December 1977. In those formative Mr. R. J. GIBBS: I have already outlined days the efforts of the Minister and his my point of order to the House. The Premier officers consolidated the various sections of made reference to the fact that the Labor the portfolio into a vibrant and viable unit Party believes in the legalisation of drugs. and laid the foundations for greater achieve­ Nowhere in the policy of the Labor Party ments in the years to come. is legalisation of marijuana, heroin or any The department being debated by this other drug specified. I find the remark to Assembly today is, perhaps more than any 1832 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979} (Estimates)

other, a department of the future. It is a By any measure, ,the Queensland Cultural department concerned with the future of Centre is a vast project. While the centre all Queenslanders-with the quality of life \V ill comprise a number of. sepa~ate, self­ they will enjoy today, tomorrow and in the contained operations, these Will be mtegrated future. The great challenge of the new to project the image of a composite whole. portfolio is to enrich the lives of all Queens­ The centre will be a "living place" which landers. people will be able to use day ai_Jd nigh!. The Queenslanders of the future will be It will represent a tremendous physical addi­ in the best position to judge its achievements tion to the city of Brisbane and, more by what is bequeathed to them in such fields imnortantlv a tremendous enrichment to the as literature, the arts, sporting facilities and liv~s of eve1:y Queenslander. From the outset, what is set aside to preserve the natural the concept has been an imaginative one, environment and to provide them with and one of which all members of this Parlia­ opportunities for nature-based recreation ment, irrespective of party, will be justifiably activities. proud in the years to come. There has always been a recognised affi­ Of course the involvement of the four nity between the benefits and enjoyment of institutions i~ the cultural centre is not the cultural experiences and the similar aesthetic only area in which the Government has been or physical benefits derived from coming assisting the cultural development of Queens­ close to nature and participating in sporting land. Provision has been made for a tot~] activities. The Government took the view of $2,987,000 for grants to ~ultural organ!­ that its involvement in these areas should sations in the current financial year. Th1s be co-ordinated under a single ministerial is an increase of 13 per cent, or $355,000, control, and this was the basic rationale on the 1978-79 alloc? tion. This amount is of the portfolio's creation. Since the estab­ divided up as follows:- lishment of the department the Govern­ ment has pursued a policy of expansion of Grants to 26 professional organisations existing institutions and authorities and towards their operating costs for 1979-80- increased financial assistance where possible :b2,637 ,2~0; a special non-recurring grant to stimulate interest and participation in w the Brisbane Communi,ty Arts Centre cultural, recreational and sporting activities. Trust-$45,0CO; a special continuing grant to the Queensland Symphony

The total allocation of $67,565 for con­ The scientific research staff appointed to tingencies represents an increase of $12,761 co.Jiate these coJ.Iections form a team of on the previous year's appropriation. In highly skiLled profess.ionals available for con­ addition to an increase to allow for inflation, sultation by o·ther departments and the com­ an extra $10,000 has been provided to enable munity generally. the services of the branch to be expanded. The museum's educational activities now These services include the publication of directly reach 325,000 people annually and, the monthly Queensland Cultural Diary (the of these, about 250,000 are visitors to the circulation of which is now 10,000, and display galleries. In addition, the museum increasing all the time) and the twice-yearly has introduced training programmes intended list of cultural organisations in Queensland, to improve the expertise and quality of the which has a circulation of 3,000. more than 100 small museums across the The total expenditure of the Cultural State. Activities Branch amounts to $3,170,000 and The 1979-80 museum endowment alloca­ is indicative of the Government's interest tion totals in excess of $219,835-an increase in seeing cultural organisations develop and of $52,395 over the previous year. expand in all areas of the State. In giv­ The museum's extension education service ing expression to this interest, the Govern­ to schools in distant or disadvantaged centres ment must always ensure its role remains of South-east Queensland will be improved that of a catalyst generating, but not replac­ through a special $6,000 grant which has ing, community support. enabled the ourchase of a new vehicle Government assistance to new cultural equipped to convey specimens and displays groups should always be a seeding process to the class-room. This service is now designed to encourage and activate new ven­ reaching 50,000 students annually. tures, but not to totally support them in In the current financial year consideration perpetuity. Grants to worthwhile cultural has also been given to the major task of organisations should continue to be made preparing new displays for the new museum within a self-help concept, allowing Govern­ in the South Brisbane Cultural Centre. The ment funds to be supplemented by a natural board of the Queensland Museum rightly degree of community support. In general, considers that the displays to be produced the level of communi•ty support a cultural by 1983 should be of a quality second to organisation attracts will be in ratio to its none and should include techniques and ability to produce a consumer product. In technology comparable to those in con­ saying that, I echo the sentiments of my temporary developments elsewhere around predecessor in this portfolio who hit the the world. nail on the head when he said that cultural organisations should strive towards a viable Although certain items from the ex1stmg balance between al't and entertainment­ displays will be reused, the fabric and con­ between box office support and artistic self­ text of their exhibition will need to be indulgence. Given this balance, Govern­ extensively altered and considerable new ment funding can attract reciprocal support material will be introduced. The magnitude of this task is immense, involving produc­ from the community, ensuring the continued tion of almost three times the existing growth and patronage of cultural pursuits in all areas of the State. displays in little more than three years. A special grant of $27,500 has been provided I turn now to the activities of the Queens­ to equip the museum to meet this challenge land ~useum, \\ hich is required to carry and to enable a start to be made on acquir­ out diverse functwns under its legislation. ing additiona'I background items from These broadly relate to the storage of the throughout the State. State's scientific and historical collections, It is not possible for the existing museum resea~ch on. the collections or on topics technical staff to produce the vastly increased associated with them and education through quantity of display work within the time display and other means. prescribed, nor can the existing staff main­ The museum's collections now comprise tain the eX!panded displays, once completed. near·ly 2,000,000 items. They cover the fields Therefore, the museum staff establishment of zoology, geology, anthropology and archae­ has been increased during 1979-80 from 70 ology, history and technology. A number to 85 as part of a policy to gradually lift of other State Government departments staff numbers to a level necessary for the inoluding the Department of A!boriginal and operation of the new building. Islanders' Advancement and the Primary A new section dealing with materials con­ Industnes Department, lodge collections servation is to be established at the same which require permanent protection and time to ensure that deterioration and damage attention by museum staff. A number of to existing and incoming items is arrested tertiary education establishments and or repaired, guaranteeing the retention of research groups do likewise. Such collec­ irreplaceable items in perpetuity. tions not only document the resources of the State and the history of the State's The total appropriation made in the 1979- development, but also provide a continuing 80 Estimates represents a realistic attempt resource of inestimable value for further by the Government to meet the specific needs research and educationa·l pmposes. of the Queensland Museum. At the same 1834 Supply [22 NovEMBER 1979] (Estimates)

time, it ensures that the museum can meet capital works on the State's national parks its State, national and international respon­ and the acquisition of further lands for sibilities as the organisation in which evidence national park purposes. of much of the State's heritage is vested. Resulting from the commitment which the The opening of the new Queensland Art service has for island national parks along Gallery, expected in March 1982, will be an the Queensland coast, a major item of expen­ event of major importance in the art world. diture will be the provision of three new It will also mark the completion of the first boats to undertake patrols and supervision stage of the Queensland Cultural Centre at of these parks. Two boats, each 11 metres in a time when world attention will be on length, will be provided for use at Cardwell Brisbane for the Commonwealth Games. and Rosslyn Bay, while a third of 8 metres Work on compiling a comprehensive cata­ will be provided at Shute Harbour. Total logue for the State art collection and negoti­ estimated cost of this new equipment is ating international exhibitions to mark the $150,000. opening year, together with the restoration and presentation of the gallery's works, has Since the formation of Queensland's commenced and must accelerate if it is to National Parks and Wi.Jdlife Service, the be completed in time and to the standard State Government has more than doubled the expected of a major State gallery. area of national and environmental parks in To enable the completion of this work, the State to a to!Jal now exceeding a build-up of staff and of subsequent service 2 700 000 ha. Another 64 000 ha will be programmes for the gallery will take place added to this estate in the coming weeks with over a period between now and the time the declaration of the Mt. Moffatt National of the opening. As the first stage in this Park in Central Queensland. With that staff expansion, provision has been made gazettal, Queensland wiil have 325 natio!lal for eight new positions in the current parks and 77 environmental .parks covenng financial year at an additional cost of approximately 2 per cent of the total area $154,789. of the State. As the gallery is open seven days a week, Provision has been made for expenditure reasonably heavy costs are incurred in over­ of $20,000 within the new!~ created Lake­ time payments for attendant staff. In 1979-80 field National Park, which covers 528 000 ha. the Government has also allowed sufficient An amount of $10,000 has been provided for funds for the gallery to open on Fridays track construction at Edmund Kenned~ until 9 p.m. in order to make the gallery National Park near Cardwell. Both these accessible for people who take advantage parks are expected to attract world-wide of late-night shopping hours in Brisbane. attention during the World Wilderness Con­ The Government has acknowledged the gress to be held in Cairns in June 1980. gallery's needs in preparing for the new premises by providing an increase of $165,072 Another significant development wiii be the provision of boardwalks at Carnarvon in endowment for the current financial year. National Park to enable 'Visitors to see but This increase will allow for the progressive not to touch the principal Aboriginal art sites. purchase of equipment for the new gallery The service has provided $12,000 to this pro­ as well as provide additional funds for the gallery's acquisitions programme, which needs ject, which is considered essentia·l to provide to be accelerated in order to fill particular protection for these sites. At present, the service, with the assistance of a grant from gaps in the collection in time for the opening. the Institute of Aboriginal Studies, is engaged I now turn to national parks. Queensland's in a .research programme to locate and record National Parks and Wildlife Service has Aboriginal art and burial sites in the Central received an allocation of $4,309,093 for the Highlands region. Some 120 sites have financial year 1979-80, which represents an already been recorded and a number of increase of $587,556 over the previous year's these wiii be preserved within the boundaries revenue funding. This amount provides for of the new national park to be declared at some increases in staffing and is also intended Mt. Moffatt. Management strategies to pro­ to cover award and basic wage increases tect other sites identified in the region wiii and an increase for contingencies. Provision be formulated b~ relevant authorities follow­ has also been made for additional costs ing the completion of the survey. associated with pay-roll tax, maintenance of A continuing programme at Chillagoe buildir;gs and parks and the cost of such items as postage and general operating Caves will involve the provision of elevated expenses. The rapid increase in the area walkways and lighting in the Trezkinn Cave of national parks throughout the State, to cope with increasing visitor usage, while together with the provision of additional in Bellenden Ker National Park provision has facilities, is reflected in the increased costs been made for the completion of a residence associated with the upkeep of these facilities. at Josephine Falls at the southern end of the The amount provided for the State's environ­ park. mental parks has again been set at $150,000. The purchase of the former kiosk at In addition to the $4,300,000 available Natural Arch Nationa•l Park in the Numinbah from revenue funding, an amount of Valley of South-east Queensland and its con­ $1,600,000 is allocated from loan funds for version to an information centre is expected Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979) (Estimates) 1835 to cost $16,000. The completion of camp­ The Library Board of Queensland will ground construction at O'Reilly's entrance to receive a grant of $6,544,494 for the financial Lamington National Park has been allocated year 1979-80, an increase of $513,883 over an amount of $5,000. the previous year. One significant change this Throughout the State, increasing expendi­ year is that subsidy on new buildings, or ture is involved in the maintenance of picnic alterations and improvements to existing and camping-ground faci·lities resulting from buildings, will now be paid totally by Treas­ public visitation, whi·ch is currently increasing ury rather than partly by the Library Board at a rate in excess of 10 per cent per annum. and partly by Treasury. This change will Provision has !been made for the completion simplify procedures for local authorities, of a large storeshed and temporary air-con­ some of whom in the past have been con­ ditioned office at Pallarenda, in Townsville, fused by the necessity to apply to two sep­ to cope with the increasing need at that arate State Government bodies for subsidy centre. on the one building. The level of subsidy will remain the same, that is, 50 per cent In the current financial year, the National on the first $40,000 plus 20 per cent on the Parks and Wildlife Service will continue the balance. acquisition of additions to existing nationa:l parks, together with new areas. Major pro­ There has been a considerable degree of posa:ls include $159,000 for additions to Girra­ criticism in recent years, especially by local ween National Park near Stanthorpe and authorities, regarding the level of subsidies expenditoce of $68,000 for additions to Sun­ paid for local library services. I can assure down National Park in the same region. honourable members that this matter has Proposed extensions to Noosa National Park been given very serious consideration. Unfor­ will involve expenditure of $65,000 for land tunately it has not been possible to raise the formerly owned by T. M. Burke at Noosa. level of subsidy paid to individual councils, An amount of $32,000 will ·be used to extend in spite of the fact that total subsidy expendi­ the area of national park on the Scenic Rim ture has increased by more than 12 per cent. in Southern Queensland and, in North In addition to an 8 per cent consumer price queensla_n?, an amount of $16,000 wiH rpro­ index increase in per capita subsidy to indi­ vide additions to Edmund Kennedv National vidual councils, subsidy will be paid to an Park near Cardwell. · additional seven local authorities this year representing a population of almost 45,000. Research programmes are being under­ There will also be subsidy paid on the salaries taken by the service in a number of fields of 10 additional professional staff employed and include seveml that have attracted out­ in council libraries. side funding given because of the standard of research attained in Queensland. Notwble As a result of these new services com­ among these grants has been the provision mencing this year, there will be only 65,810 by the World Wildlife Fund Australia of people living in 11 local authority areas not $46,300 to allow the commencement of served by local libraries. Four of these 11 research at Raine Island, a major sea-bird local authorities have had discussions with rookery at the northern end of the Great officers of the Library Board regarding lib­ Barrier Reef. rary provision. It seems likely that within the immediate future all people living in Grants from the Australian National Parks Queensland will have access to a local lib­ and Wildlife Service have assisted a turtle rary. research programme, and the Australian Orchid Foundation has provided funding to In the face of this criticism, I should point loc

Under the scheme, the seven shires in allow usage of the collection without result­ the south-western region will receive one ing damage. Manuscript materials will be book per capita, fully processed, instead of housed in chemically neutral containers. a cash subsidy. The books will be exchanged The Estimates contain provision of $4,500 at the rate of 25 per cent per annum. to enable the State Library to continue its The total allocation of $2,527,235 to the computerised development. The funds will Library Board of Queensland Fund for sal­ allow the installation of what is known as aries will enable the creation of four new the "Midas" service, which will give the positions in the current financial year. The State Library access, via satellite, to major additional funds will allow the appointment on-line retrieval services in the United States, of an arts librarian, a music librarian, a field such as the Systems Development Corpora­ officer for the John Oxley Library and an tion's "Orbit" and the Lockheed Corpora­ audio-visual technician to maintain this side tion's "Dialogue". of the library's equipment. The service works in this \I ay: a research The arts librarian will be involved initially worker in the Department of Primary Indus­ in surveying arts groups to discover their tries may want to find out what periodical library and information needs, determining articles or research reports have been whether these can or should be met by the written on a particular subject. The State State Library and then recommending and Library would prepare an exact statement implementing new programmes. This appoint­ of the information that he requires. A ment will greatly improve services to arts and librarian would analvse this statement to crafts groups throughout the State. determine which o( the 100 data bases available is most likely to have the informa­ The position of music librarian (scale A) tion, which search words to use, and so on. has been created to develop the State Lib­ The librarian would then interrogate the rary's resources in the area of printed music data base, via satellite, from a keyboard in in conjunction with the needs of performing the State Library. This would produce a groups and individual musicians in the com­ list of references, possibly with a summary munity. The library's intention is to utilise of each reference. the existing music resources as a basis for The service will enable staff in Govern­ a centralised music centre to serve both ment departments to track down, in half an metropoiitan and country areas, and to hour, references which would have taken enlarge the reference collection by adding up to two days to research manually under performer's scores. the previous system. The John Oxley Library provides a public "Midas" provides access to data bases information service in Queensland history containing information on subjects such as by collecting, preserving and making avail­ agriculture, business, education, health, able records relating to the history and patents, statistics and technology. The service development of the Colony and State of will be offered to other State Government Queensland. departments and to private enterprise The appointment of a field officer will organis:1tions on a cost-recovery basis. enable the library to systematically seek out Included in the allocation of $661,259 important historical material throughout the for miscellaneous expenditure is continued State, which will augment and complement funding for the establishment of a com­ the existing collection. The field officer will puterised cataloguing, acquisition and circu­ aiso provide an e!Tective contact between lation system to be know as "Oracle". the library and organisations and individuals The system will greatly enhance the speed inYolvcd with local history. and efficiency of State Library services and will enable the production of microfiche During the year, particular attention will catalogues for public libraries in country be given to the collection of records and areas which are part of the State Library photographs rehting to sport and sporting organ:sations in Queemland so that an service. c··:hibition illustrating the history of sport in The "Oracle" system represents a con­ the State can be mounted to coincide with siderable achievement for the State Library the Commonwealth Games in 1982. lub; and $36,028 towards improving water the same gwde-lmes that undoubtedly give a reticulation at the Indooroopilly Golf Club. far greate~ b~nefit to those sporting clubs That was the club, if I remember rightly, an_d organ·satwns that have the ability to that was recently talking aJbout setting mem­ raise the most funds. There is no doubt bership fees at some hundreds of doHars a :vh~tsoever that the system is loaded against year. JUnior sp?rt and ~mall sporting groups that The position remained the same for 1977- a~e _ba tt.hng to give the children of their 78, with licenced clubs still receiving large distncts a chance to participate in a sport. hand-outs from the fund. The Ayr Golf 1840 Supply (22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates)

Club received $17,420 towards course exten­ Loans at 5 per cent interest have been made sion and 1mprovement. The McLeod Country available under the Sporting Bodies (Natural Golf Club was given $16,637 to build new Disaster Relief) Act 1974 and the Associations showers and toilets, etc. Remember that the (Natural Disaster Relief) Act 1976 on previ­ money that I speak about comes originally ous occasions, so the concept of low-interest from Consolidated Revenue, not from Soccer loans is by no means new. Pools or the like. The Surfers Paradise In the few minutes remaining to me, I shall Golf Club received $21,581 towards the cost speak about the Films Board of Review. of redesigning and improvements to the One of the 17 Acts administered by the course. Minister is the Films Review Act 1974, and The guide-lines for grants and subsidies the mode of operation of the board set up under this scheme have now been reviewed under that Act has been the subject of heavy to some extent, not because the Government criticism on a number of occasions since the believed that its priorities were astray-that board's inception. is important to note-but, as the 1979 annual I make no secret of the fact that I con­ repocrt of the Department of Sport states, sider the Films Board of Review to be an "because of the need to contain expenditures expensive, ineffective imposition upon the within Consolidated Revenue appropriations". industry and the financial resources of the The reasons were economic. chief office of the Minister. This State per­ As somebody very closely associated with sists with a double system of film censorship, and participating in some of the State's apparently because the insularity of Queens­ major sports, I defy any honourable member land's Ministers is such that they consider to prove to me that licensed bowls and golf that the morals of Queenslanders need pro­ clubs need financial hand-outs from the pub­ tection greater than that given by the Com­ lic purse at the expense of junior and other monwealth censor to all the people of the less fortunate sporting organisations and other States in Australia. bodies. Certainly the clubs cannot be blamed Earlier this year, when it was being sug­ for making application for money that is gested that the Government was moving freely available, and they would be regarded to close loop-holes in the Films Review Act as foolish if they did not make application. 1974, it was said in one of the major news­ However, the 1978-79 distribution of funds papers that we in Queensland have a Govern­ clearly shows how the Queensland Govern­ ment of unflinching conservatism, a Govern­ ment's guide-lines are slanted in favour of ment that is led by men from remarkably the strong professional football, bowls and similar backgrounds. It has to be realised, golf clubs, which continue to head the list especially by the men who lead us, that as far as amounts of subsidy and grants are Queensland's border is a line on the map, not concerned. a barricade against ideas. There can be no question about this Gov­ ernment's inability to grasp the nettle in [Sitting suspended from 1 to 2.15 p.m.] relation to the State's sport. The whole lop­ sided system needs to be turfed out and a Mr. WARBURTON: The Minister must new-style organisation established. It is surely realise that true censorship can be important that the Department of Sport be achieved only by ensuring that all films sub­ dismantled and replaced by an organisation ject to censorship are viewed prior to any that will do the right thing by both junior move for distribution. The operations of and senior sport throughout Queensland. the Commonwealth Film Censorship Board are such that no film can be shown any­ There are many problems peculiar to junior where in Australia before a certificate of sport, one in the forefront being the diffi­ registration is issued to the distributor by culty in raising operating funds, and I have the board. In Queensland, as I have stated no doubt that the more fortunate recipients on a number of orevious occasions, film of assistance in the form of Government theatre operators who after showing certain grants or subsidies welcome it, irrespective films during numerous daily and evening of how small the amount might be. Junior sessions-such films in some cases having and women's sporting clubs do amazingly well been shown throughout Queensland over a to keep their heads above water financially, number of years-have been summoned to but they will never have their own facilities bring the films to the Films Board of Review of the type they deserve till the hand-out theatrette for showing and have subsequently syndrome is cast aside as the only meam been advised, just prior to screening-time of assistance and a new and fairer form of that evening, that the films were banned. financial assistance, coupled with a revamped Department of Sport, is brought into being. This part-time, sit-when-it-suits-them board The development of high-standard sporting has caused exhibitors to suffer financially facilities is important to the growth and and to lose hard-won goodwill because of improvement of sport, and I suggest that advertising commitments and resentment consideration be given to low-interest loans from pat~0ns who paid or travelled to see being made available to clubs that can show an advertisea film. viability and management capability for the The thing that disturbs me, and is most purpose of erection of club houses and ameni­ offensive to me as an individual, is to have ties and for the development of sporting com­ people like Desmond John Draydon, Patience plexes, preferably on a regional basis initially. Thorns, Thomas Heike and the like deciding Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1841 what films I should or should not be allowed The reason for the Labor Opposition's to view. Just as important, particularly as repeated calls for a joint parliamentary it relates to the Estimates, is the money public accounts committee is to ensure that wasted in propping up such a phoney opera­ the Queensland public get value for their tion. money. I have repeatedly been refused infm­ mation concerning the number of board The Mbister and his Government no meetings held and which members attended doubt hope that the very existence of the those meetings by the J\Iinisters concerned, Films Board of Review portrays an impres­ the present Minister going so far as to say sion of their concern for moral values. The that it is not his function to ascertain which point is that the portrayal of the board particular members constitute the quorum as an efficient, effective unit preventing of the board at any particular viewing. corruption of our morals as a result of view­ In my opmwn, it is the Minister's ing corrupt films is the facade of all facades. responsibility to see that board members are giving value for money. The Minister should To give yet another example of the remember that, contrary to normal pro­ manner in which the Queensland board cedure, Films Board of Review members operates, I refer to what took place on receive a certain level of renumeration per Friday, 30 March 1979. The proprietor of annum. They do not receive an allowance the Lutwyche Imperial Theatre was phoned based on actual attendance, as do the mem­ during the progress of a screening session bers of other similar boards responsible to of the film "Bibi" by a representative of the Government. For this reason, I refuse the film distributor Greater Union Organi­ to accept that I, as Opposition spokesman sation. He was informed that the film was on Culture, National Parks and Recreation, required at 2.30 p.m. that day for viewing together with other honourable members of by the board. This call was received at this Parliament, should be denied access 11 a.m. Now, "Bibi" is certainly an R­ to information relating to the work activi­ rated movie that was first shown at the ties of board members which should be Graceville Theatre three years ago. It had readily available. been shown all over Queensland since that The Government Gazette of 28 July 1979 time and during the weeks just prior to advised of an amendment to regulation 2 of Friday, 30 March last, was screened at the the Films Review Regulations 1975. A pre­ Alhambra at Stones Corner, the Boomerang vious amendment of 8 February 1979, which at Annerley and the Capri at East Brisbane. lifted the annual payments of board mem­ Surely the film theatre proprietor who bers from $2,000, $750, and $500 to $3,000, was called upon to take the film "Bibi" to $1,250 and $1,000 respectively (effective from the 136 Elizabeth Street theatre for review 1 February 1979) was to be rescinded. The had every reason to believe that the film July amendment provided for increases to was not subject to banning. On Monday, $10,000, $1,800, and $1,500 respectively 26 March 1979, he advertised "Bibi" in the (effe,ctive from 1 January). Th~n regulation daily "Telegraph" at a cost of $250. Sub­ 2 was further amended on 9 August 1979, sequently advertisements on the Tuesday, evidently because the July amendment was Wednesday and Thursday cost $180, and a invalid. further advertising cost of $250 was incurred (Time expired.) on Friday, 30 March, the day he received the news from the board of review. His Mr. SIMPSON (Cooroora) (2.21 p.m.): total advertising costs, which included poster Good government must provide as many acti­ and suburban column advertising, was in the vities as possible that are beneficial to the vicinity of $800-a very significant amount people of this State, and part of good govern­ when one considers the difficulty that hard­ ment is the Estimates before the Committee top theatre proprietors have in getting today. I support the Minister on their intro­ enough custom to make their business viable. duction, particularly as they affect the The end result was that the film was banned development of a number of new pursuits by the Films Board of Review after screen­ such as those undertaken by the National ing on the afternoon of Friday, 30 March. Parks and Wildlife Service. I would suggest to honourable members that Firstly I should like to refer to culture. my outline of events leading up to the Because of the interest shown by a number banning of the film shows just how stupid of historical societies in Queensland, the and futile is the form of film censorship knowledge of our local history and culture that this Government has forced onto the is being improved. Unfortunately, many of people of Queensland. the people who had contact with our early pioneers have been lost to us through the Each and every annual report of the passage of time. I should like more school­ Films Board of Review, under the heading children to undertake projects to obtain from of "Meetings of the Board" states that the the senior citizens in our community infor­ board held a number of formal meetings mation on their links with the past and the during the period under report and that early history of this State. members spent much additional time viewing Mr. Moore: We have not even done that films and having discussions with distributors in regard to Parliament; why should we do it and exhibitors. in other cases? 1842 Supply [22 NovEMBER 1979] (Estimates)

Mr. SIMPSON: The historv of Parliament The Nat1onal Parks and Wildlife Service is important, too. The restoration of Parlia­ is a most important and expanding part of ment House is important. It is regrettable the Minister's portfolio. The new Minister, that a number of records have been lost the Honourable Ivan Gibbs, has continued from the Parliamentary Library. the ·very good work begun by the HonouraJble Ken Tomkins and the Honourable Tom Mr. K. J. Hooper: What about the Belle­ Newbery. The Minister faces a tremendous vue? challenge in improving even further our Mr. SIMPSON: What about the Bellevue? national parks and other beauty spots. Not only do they provide resomces for film­ Mr. K. J. Hoo~r: Don't you think that making but also relaxation therapy for people wa~ part of our history? normally cloistered in the high-rise buildings in the cities. High-rise buildings have a Mr. SIMPSON: It was part of it, but detrimental effect on the well.;being of their even the National Trust could not agree occupants and the community generally, but that it should have been preserved as an we still continue to build them, purely to example of that style of architecture. The improve the bank :balances and balance sheets people should be made aware of the fact of certain people. We have to offset this that the joint parties have decided that any detrimental effect on the community by enab­ building erected on that site will have a lace­ ling people to enjoy the free and open sur­ work facade that will be in keeping with the roundings of national parks, even though it precinct. costs the Government quite a ,Jot to provide The Queensland Cultural Centre being them. established in Brisbane will provide facilities An example of the need to properly man­ for musical and dramatic performances that age national parks is the Cooloola National will bring enjoyment to the community. This Park, part of which is in my electorate. The project is very difficult to equate in terms management plan for this park has recently of work or productivity. It is, however, a been released. It is obvious from the plan reflection of our civilisation and our standard that the officers of the department have tried of living. That centre must be pursued in to provide some small incentive to persuade the interests of preserving music, drama and people to helrp pr,eserve the park, for example, other forms of the arts that are desired by not seeking an extension of the roads that by the community. presently traverse the park such as the road The community would be in a sorry state from Gympie to Rainbow Beach. There are if we did not have at least some people who points in the report upon which I would are prepared to try something new, to 'reach Iike to briefly touch today. It does contain out for new horizons. At Noosa a man is some misleading assumptions. For instance, endeavouring to set a new sailing speed people in my electorate are complaining record, and people ask why he would do about a rumour that the beach from Rainbow such a thing, but it is an inherent part of Beach to Double Island Point and Freshwater man's nature that he should endeavour to to Double Island Point may be closed. The extend his horizons and climb even higher beach does not form part of the national peaks. park and does not come under the manage­ ment plan, so therefore it will not be closed. I now want to turn to the State Library There is no worry there. service and the most important work being done in relation to historical records, especi­ The question of access to the park and aHy in the Oxley Library. I was pleased to how much the park will be used is most hear the Minister announce that there wiU be important. We have to make parks a\;ail­ an additional field officer attached to the able to the people for their enjoyment, yet Oxley Library. If his talents are used in we have the responsibility to look after the right way, he could do worthwhile work, the parks and ensure that we do not place in co-operation with historical societies them in jeopardy or cause them to be sub­ throughout Queensland, in preserving his­ stantially spoiled. The Cooloola National torical records and collating them into a Park is well defined on its eastern seaboard, form in whioh more people could enjoy them. which is the side from which people will The State Library is now available for use approach it. The report seems to suggest on late-shopping nights. It is most important that mo;~t people will approach the park that this extension of hours keep up with from Rainbow Beach. This is not the case the movement evident in the commercial now, and I do not believe that it will field. However, I do not think that goes far be the case in the future. The access enough. Something should be done about is from the south through Noosa and opening certain Government offi.ces at times Tewantin. when the public are more easily able to use them, for example, on late-shopping nights. The boardwalk-type roadway that has The same reasoning could be applied to been proposed in place of the forest gorge banks. Recently the Commonwealth Bank track that runs from Rainbow Beach to in Perth decided to extend its opening hours Freshwater on the eastern seaboard of the to 8.15 a.m. to 5.45 p.m. As I said, I com­ national park wiii be longer and ex·tremely mend the Minister for extending the hours dangerous. The road in its present form during which the facilities of the State Lib­ has tight turns and sharp crests. From rary are available. my experience of it, it is very dangerous, Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1843 and it will be only a matter of time before forestry interests. Some land adjacent to someone is seriously injured or killed on it. the Cooloola National Park will continue We do not want any accidents there, because to be used in that way. it would be very difficult to get an injured The management of our national parks person out of that area. I would not could be improved by the development of like to think that the new rescue heli­ co-operation with naturalists' clubs that could 'copter service for the Sunshine Coast will be attached to particular parks. People in have to spend all its time rescuing people those clubs could be properly trained, and are in the national park. well motivated and dedicated. They would I believe that management has a respon­ help greatly with the collection and dissemina­ sibility to provide a road over this sandy tion of information relative to our parks. country. It has to provide a surface on That would be a way of effecting economies which vehicles can travel. But the align­ in the running of national parks m ment and design of the road must be such Queensland. that it is safe. Otherwise, it should be I am in favour of charging for entry to a one-way road. I am in favour of reopen­ national parks where substantial facilities are ing the original route down the forestry gorge. provided. I do not see why they should be I believe that it should be maintained not run at a considerable loss. as a gazetted road but by the national park In the Cooloola National Park I see some management. Its construction should be dangers associated with the greater use of similar to that of the one in the Noosa the waterway along the Noosa River. I National Park. invite everybody to view the information If it is found later that that gorge road centre adjacent to Kinaba Island, which is through the beautiful rain forest is not beside the water entrance to the Cooloola capable of handling two-way traffic, I believe National Park. It is at the north-west corner that that would be the time to consider a of Lake Cootharaba. That information down road from Rainbow Beach to Fresh­ centre has been thoughtfully designed. It water. It would be on the new alignment is built of natural timber and is the entrv and, although it might be three times as point to the park, where people can vie1v long, it would allow people to see a far water birds. The use of boats in the Noosa better cross-section of the vegetation of the River, particularly where it is part of the Cooloola National Park. It would be of Cooloola National Park, must be very care­ great advantage from that point of view. fully considered. The return trip could be made via the rain I do not believe that fishing should be forest gorge road, which is a shorter route. banned in the Noosa River. The management Experience in the management of national plan agrees with that, as the fish are very parks in other countries can tell us a lot drfficult to catch. However, fishing in the about the management of national parks park needs to be closely monitored to make here. In the Yosemite National Park, the sure wash from boats has no detrimental authorities built roads in order to make it effect. I am sure that is an important aspect. possible for many people to visit that park. Just as fishing is important, so, too is However, that had a very detrimental effect the provision of access points and directi~nal on the park. The authorities had to intro­ signs to inform people of the location of duce a new management plan which limited camping sites. People travelling along the entry to the p:uk. Another important beach north of Noosa do not now know element in na-tional park management is the 1vhat is available in the Cooloola area. provision of quiet means of transport so that people can get greater enjoyment from In a period of four years this Government the park. These are aspects that should be has doubled the area of the State's national incorporated in the management of our parks. That is a wonde.cful achievement national parks, particularly the one at National parks will prove to be a tremendou~ Cooloola. tourist attraction and could be a revenue­ earner to this State in the future. Unfortunately, some people have a hang­ up about allowing horses as a means of I move on to the area of sport. I am transport in national parks. I am in favour very disappointed in the way in which funds of it and I think they should be allowed. have been used this year, as they have been Just because they were not indigenous to allocated with preference to junior coaching. Australia does not mean thev should Although the Opposition criticises the Gov­ be excluded. If that reasoning was adopted, ernment over the groups to which it allocates we would be excluded as well. I believe it money, surely it cannot criticise the Govern­ was stupid, petty and childish to cut down ment for the allocation of funds to the some existing trees in national parks simply coaching of juniors. However, I am con­ because they were not indigenous to the park. cern~d that in my electorate there was no However, that has been done. Part of the subsidy at all for the construction of Cooloola National Park was leasehold land buildings. The only money aHocated was for in the early days, and the groundsel and a building that had previously been approved. lantana on that part oswimming-those a proper balance between its physical and sports that parents and children can par­ cultural facilities. I believe that the time ticipate in together. Not all sports come has now come to make a determined start into that category. on a cultural centre for the Gold Coast. (Time expired.) There is a very active cultural life on the Mr. P. N. D. WHITE (Southport) (2.42 Gold Coast at present, even with the poor p.m.): I commence my contribution to this facilities that are available. The people con­ debate by remarking on the cultural side cerned operate under adverse conditions, and of the Minister's portfolio. I congratulate it is a tribute to them that to date they have the department-and, of course, the Govern­ managed to keep culture not only alive but ment-on the provision of funds for Bris­ thriving. But the stage has now been reached at which, at last, there is real hope that the bane's cultural centre. It will be of great community on the Gold Coast wiJ.I have the benefit to the people of Brisbane and to facilities that it wants and deserves. That is Queenslanders generally. a tribute to all those who have fought so Having said that, I now become a little long and so hard for the centre. It also is a more parochial and talk for a few moments !ribute to the man who recently was Admin­ about the proposed Gold Coast cultural Istrator, because he dusted off the plans and centre. Its development is long overdue. got things moving while he was there. The The area has a permanent population of present councils of the City of Gold Coast some 100,000; yet we have nowhere of any and the Albert Shire also deserve credit for significance for a cultural activity to be maintaining the momentum on this import­ held. vVe have experienced the cancellation ant project, and I pay a tribute to the Minis­ of A.B.C. concerts on the Gold Coast for ter for initiating and supporting activities the very reason that there are no adequate that have assisted to maintain that momen­ facilities for concerts to be held. The lack tum. of suitable facilities means that there is However, I should like to deliver a warn­ no encouragement for other cultural activities ing to the people of the Gold Coast and, in on the coast. particular, to some developers. Recently, As I h.1vc stated the problem in outline, there was a proposal to include in one shop­ I must now answer the question: what are ping centre development on the Gold Coast we going to do about it? Basically, the what was rather glibly called a cultural Gold Coast City Council is responsible for centre. It was nothing of the sort; it was a buildiw· a cultural centre. I believe that it glorified hall. I warn the people of the Gold has a~cC'pted that responsibility. In this Coast that they should not accept carrots mornin~\ "Gold Coast Bulletin" the mayor of that type as a substitute for a proper of the Gold Coast expresses what I believe cultural centre, which would be owned by to be not only his opinion but also that the people of the Gold Coast through the of the council when he savs that the time Gold Coast City Council. has come to get on with the job of build­ What is required is not a glorified hall but ing the centre, which has been proposed a complex that will include a theatre, a for some years now. visual arts area, exhibition areas and It is a very expensive project. Preliminary rehearsal and J"eading rooms. Developers on plans that have been drawn up indicate that the Gold Coast can go ahead and incorporate it will certainly cost in excess of $10,000,000. in their developments what they might call Of course, that does not all have to be cultural centres; that is entirely their own Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1845 affair. Of course, they have to get permis­ Like other departments, the National sion to proceed with their developments, and Parks and Wildlife Service has money and I sincerely hope that permission is not manpower problems. One serious problem granted for the one to which I referred referred to me quite often comes from earlier. I firmly believe that it is in the graziers with properties adjoining national wrong place and .wiLl do nothing but create parks. They are interested in the prop~r massive traffic problems. management of national parks so that their I turn now to the subject of national parks. grazing properties can be properly managed. First, I congratulate the staff of the National I know that departmental officers are con­ Parks and Wildlife Service. The service is cerned about the proper management of now on the move, and not before time. In orazino properties adjoining national parks. the last few years, the acreage of national The hlame can be traced to both parties, parks under Government control has trebled, but sometimes one side is more to blame but that is not to say that there are now than the other. Of course, the sensible sufficient national parks. There certainly are answer is close co-operation between graziers sufficient in some areas of the State, but in and those who manage national parks. \Vith­ other areas people do not have access to such out co-operation the problems created by parks, and I have in mind particularly areas vermin, animal and noxious weed infesta­ in Central and Western Queensland. It would tion will become worse. I suppose that be a great mistake to assume that, because animah, particularly feral pigs, cause most acreages are now greater than they were damage. before, we have sufficient. That is not so, and it will become apparent as the population of The elimin~·tion of feral pigs presents the State increases and pressure on parks m:1ssive problems. Frankly I do not know such as Girraween National Park increases. the best way to tackle them. I am told tha:t unless 90 per cent of feral pigs in an area The general aim in setting aside national are elimated, it is just as well to eliminate parks is to preserve areas of the State so none. Any percentage under 90 allows rapid that future generations can see what they breeding that ensures complete repopulation used to be like. Of course, it is no use in a short time. declaring an area a national park and then keeping people away from it. FaciHties must I congratulate the department on the be provided in the parks to ena:ble people to assistance given to sport in Queensland by enjoy them. They cannot be left as a way of coaching and other facilities that wilderness, and roads, tracks and toilets must are provided. However, I am disappointed be provided. Some people say, "For God's that the amount spent last year was some­ sake, leave it alone. Let it remain natural." \vhat down on the previous year. I hope If honourable members want to see examples that the amount will be increased in the of what happens when areas are not properuy current financial year. managed, I suggest they go to South Strnd­ broke Island or some parts of Moreton 'While I am talking about sport, one Island. important point should be made. In some instances a very fine line is drawn between With the declaration of over 1,000,000 the assistance that the department gives to acres of land at Lakefield as a national sport and the assistance given by the Depart­ park we have entered a new era with ment of Welfare Services. To many people national parks in Queensland. However, we the life-saving movement is a matter of cannot manage the large parks in the same welfare, but to many others, it is a spar;. way as we have managed the smaller ones For the people of Queensland and the States in the past. I have no doubt that the tourist industrv it could well be regarded Minister and his department are considering as an essend~l industry. The life-saving whether it is unreasonable to provide decent movement receives a subsidy payment of 75c accommodation in large parks so that people in the dollar. I would certainly like to see may stay in them and enjoy facilities. In the subsidy increased. What I am saying is future, will it be reasonable at Lakefield that a close watch must be kept on where not to permit fishing? I should think that funds are going from this department and not only is it reasonable, but also some­ the Department of Welfare Services, so that thing that should be encouraged. We should an essential senice, such as life-saving, is develop the three homesteads on Lakefie·ld as not disadvantaged by money being given to accommodation centres, probably on lease. other projects which, while they might be In that way we would have better control important, are certainly not in the san:e and management of the large parks. In categorv as the life-saving movement m future, will it be reasonable in the Cape Queensiand. York area not to allow people to carry arms, when some parts of that area are very All that the people know is which depart­ dangerous? Although a prohibition applies ment the money comes from, and it is to the carrying of arms in small areas reasonable that thev look upon it as Gov­ (which is very sensible), I wonder if we ernment money. The a.Jlocation of Govern­ should continue to manage the large parks ment money is a matter for the Government, just as \Ve have managed the small ones in and that is why I make this plea for a the past. I believe that we should not. very careful watch to be kept on where 1846 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates)

the money is going. Care should be taken former SpDrtsmen do likewise. I know that to ensure that the allocations do not reach the shadow Minister for this portfolio, the a serious state of imbalance. honourable member for Sandgate, has done I conclude with a few remarks about an a considerable amount of coaching as welL environmental reserve on the Gold Coast Now and again sporting organisations are which the Minister knows well because it is able to run &pecial coaching courses not in his electorate. I realise ~nly too well only in country areas and provincial cities the Minister's dilemma in providing not only but also here in Brisbane. Government a reserve but also an educational facilitv financial assistance helps them considerably, in that area. I do not wish to intrude int; and a number of organisations have received something that is in his ele<::torate other such support. But usually we find that it is than to say that that environmental reserve only a few lousy dollars-if I might use does belong to the coast and the people of that term. Queensland, and I hope that a satisfactorv I feel sure that this great army of Queens­ solution can . be found which would plac~ Ianders who raise funds and help to coach some emphasis on leaving the park as it is and or!l'3nise junior sporting teams would be and findmg another site for a school. interested, even amazed, to hear about some­ thing of a public scandal that I have stumbled Mr. CASEY (Mackav~Leader of the on in this area. I will relate the story in the OppDsition) (2.57 p.m.): 'r am entering this same way that I was able to unravel it. debate this afternoon because I wish to Most members of the Committee would raise some matters that are of grave concern know that under the present scheme most to me: Actually, the set-up of the depart­ sporting clubs must submit their applica­ ment IS completely wrong. Recreation is the tions, whether they be for subsidy or capital most ~mportant aspect of the portfolio, and grant, to their State body by the end of spDrt Is of much greater concern than &nv March so that they can he lodged with the of the other activities covered by it. • department by the end of April. As usual, In his speech, the shadow Minister pointed late in October this year I re<::eived a number out clearly the concern of the Australian of letters from the Minister relating to sport­ Labor Party for the wav in which some ing grants that have .been allocated to organ­ of the SpDrting grants and subsidies have isations in my electorate. As usual, I also been gi~en .an? particularly the problems noted the small amounts aJ.located for coach­ ~on!rontmg jumor sport in this State. The ing for hack and pDny clubs, football and JUmor .sporting associations in Queensland softball clubs and other junior sporting ~ave bigger problems than the associations organisations in my electorate. m any other State, for the simple reason I was, however, amazed to see one letter that, m order to gain the particular skills that indicated that a subsidy of $10,000 had players require, they have to meet the high been a:llooated to the Canelands Roller Skat­ costs of travelling from place to place. ing Club at Mackay. That is a pretty heHy A Government Member interjected. sum for coaching, because on the basis that that is a 50 per cent matching grant, that Mr. CASEY: That is not of much con­ means that suppDsedly $20,000 will be spent by that dub on coaching this year. Based cern to som~ of the Liberal Party members who are trymg to interject. Thev are not on State average earnings, that is the salary very sports minded or, judging by the look of two people for a year. of them, very sports gifted. As one who keeps himseLf very closely Queensland has a large number of tre­ associated with the elector>ate, this amazed mendol:lsly dedicated people who man food me, because I had never heard of the Cane­ and dnnk bars, and run chook raffles bar­ lands Roller Skating Club. I was aware that becuE'S and other functions to raise ~onev a new skating rink had just been completed ~o provide just the simple things for th~ alongside the Oanelands Shopping Centre in JUnior sportsmen and sportswomen of this Mackay. The construction of that project Sta!e-the ,YOung kids who want to develop did not begin until the end of April, the their . sp~rtmg prowess. Of course, these date by which State associations had filed all orga.msatJOns have to pay large fees to the applications for coaching subsidies. The Justice Department of this same Government bui1ding was not completed unti·l September, for the privi,Jege of raising that money. and consequently it was October before roller sJ.;Jating began. In addition, an army of officials organises sports. On Saturdays in everv electorate I stress the point that this skating rink is those officials are organising the childre~ run wholly and solely as a business venture. and actmrg as referees, linesmen and umpires Yet this supposed olub that is operating in m one way or another. The presidents conjunction with the business suddenly secretaries and other officers of the club~ receives a subsidy for this year, a year in help to organise the various sports. As which it should not even have been entitled well., there are a tremendous number of to make applioation for such a subsidy. I dedicated coaches who give their time volun­ understand that the application was made tarily. .I know, Mr. Kaus, that you have through a subsidiary company in Townsv1lle. done !his over the years to help junior Mr. Powell: If it is a club, why shouldn't sport m your area. A great many other it be entit1ed to a subsidy? Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1847

Mr. CASEY: If the honourable member boost $60,000 would provide for some of just hangs on for a moment, I think he will the junior sports in the State of Queensland! find out why so many junior sporting However, $60,000 has gone to this one com­ organisations in his electorate, too, have pany. I guarantee that the figure provided been deprived of finance. The more one goes for coaching junior cricket, junior Rugby into it, the more astounding it becomes. League and junior soccer, which would be As I said, the skating rink is run as a the three most popular junior sports through­ business operation. I investigated this busi­ out Queensland, would not reach that figure. ness and found out that it is controlled by It is obvious that the wages of this com­ Skateway Pty. Ltd. of Inal•a, here in Bris­ pany are being subsidised by the Queensland bane. The company owns at least three other Government, to the detriment of junior sport skating rinks, one in the Brislbane metro­ in this State. Other companies are involved politan area and one in Townsville. Its head­ in this, but it is very difficult to get particu­ quarters are situated at the third rink at lars about them because most of them are Inala. Fmther inquiries revealed that the in Liberal and National Party electorates. skating rink in the metropolitan area owned If the attitude of the member for Isis is by th~ .sll;Ille company received a subsidy in to be taken as the attitude prevailing in the VICimty of $15,000 for coaching. The those electorates, they seem to be quite happy Townsville skating rink received a subsidy of that ordinary junior sports are being $17,250 for coaching. The Inala skating rink deprived of funds while a commercial opera­ received a subsidy of $19,500 for coaching. tion in this State is receiving such a large Those are subsidies of 50 per cent of the cost of coaching. hand-out from the Queensland Government. Mr. Powell interjected. There is another organisation called Five-ways Sports Centres. It is a subsidiary Mr. CASEY: Never mind the member for of a firm called Queensland Associated Isis. In a very short time, he will be a Industries, whose headquarters are at Acacia former m.ember of this Parliament. Appar­ Ridge. Again, this company owns several ~ntl~, he IS not concerned about junior sport skating rinks in the State. I also under­ m hls area. stand that at least one of its skating rinks receives a large figure as a subsidy for If we double that figure of $19 500 for coaching by the so-called club that is operat­ coaching for Inala, we get a figure of ing at that rink. 11>40,000 for a year's coaching at Inala. \Ve could get Bobby Fulton to coach all the The method used is that the company junior footballers at Inala fnr a full year concerned hires the rink for a particular for that figure. We could get Greg Chappell afternoon, at an inflated figure, to the so­ to coach all the junior cricketers at Inala called sporting club that is operating there. for a full year for that figure. That is a This means that the company gets money ~rel!lendous sum o.f money to be spent on through the commercial enterprise and also JUniOr sport coachmg, particularlv when we the subsidy that is paid by the Government look at some of the lousy amounts that are to the particular spmting club. This is the way provided to various sporting clubs in our in which these companies are operating. Irres­ own areas. pective of the way one looks at this matter, because of the smart way in which these com­ Mr. Frawley interjected. panies are conducting their operations the Mr. CASEY: We would even be able to Queensland Government is subsidising the get the member for Caboolture to coach wages of the people who are employed in junior athletics for a lesser fee than that. them, and, as I have said, this is to the However, I would be dubious about the detriment of the sporting clubs throughout results. None the less, he is dedicated to the State. athletics. It goes e\en further than that. Because they have this type of advantage they are Mr. FRAWLEY: I rise to a point of order. using it to further their own ends and Mr. CASEY: Oh, he's a ratbag! have deliberately threatened some of the independent operators of skating rinks in Mr. FRAW~EY: I am not a ratbag, and this State that they are going to squeeze I take exception to that remark. I coach them out of business so that they can gain for nothing. I do not take any money fnr it. total control. The first company that I men­ tioned, Skateway Pty. Ltd., has as its direc­ The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. tor's a person by the name of Con Galtos of Kaus): Order! There is no point of order. 2 Sycamore Street, Inala, and his wife, Bev­ erley Joy Galtos, of the same address. The Mr. CASEY: I do not know what would said Con Galtos is, of course, well known in he the honourable member's worth as a the Inala area as he is a strong and promin­ .coach in the sporting field. However, if he ent supporter of the Liberal Party there and .does not want praise, I will not give him has worked for the Liberal candidate who any more. is opposing my friend and colleague the Those four skating rinks received a sum member for Archerfield. Through his politi­ of more than $60,000. This is a subsidv vir­ cal associations that man has clearly revealed tually for one company. What a tremendous himself to be a friend of somebody in the 1848 Supply (22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates)

Government. There is no question that he It is very easy to interest children in sport. has political associations with the Govern­ Most children play sport. If a sporting hall ment. He also has the Australian franchise of fame were to be established within the of a few American companies that are very cultural centre at South Brisbane, in con­ much involved with the world-wide distribu­ junction with the museum, I am quite posi­ tion of skating equipment. tive that it would help to further their The situation gets even worse. The four culturaJ development in other spheres. I do clubs I have mentioned received between them not restrict those remarks just to museum almost $4,000 by way of capital grants, sup­ exhibits. It would encourage them to visit posedly to assist them to set up frames for the building more frequently, thus assisting playing hockey on the skating rink and that in their overall cultural development. sort of thing. That sounds to be quite a That is something that we should closely good thing, but the skating rinks concerned consider. The books and records held by charge fees for training and coaching in the the Oxley Library have established it as a sport concerned. So it is a nice old lurk place of great historical interest. Many of for the companies concerned. They are mak­ the people who visit that library to obtain ing money both ways. The capital grant is historical records become very interested in to the advantage of the company; it finds libraries, their work and activities. In like its way back to the company. Sporting sub­ manner, I believe that a sporting hall of sidies in this State were never intended to fame would be very supportive of the cul­ bolster pr:vate organisations. The granting tural pursuits for which provision is being of subsidies in this way should be stopped made at the cultural centre on the south immediately, and the Minister should have bank of the Brisbane River. a thorough investigation of the matter. He may already know. He should already know Finally, very briefly I raise my own because they are some of the highest grants personal protest at the way in which tele­ for coaching in Queensland. They are far vision coverage of sporting events IS develop­ higher than any of the subsidies given to the ing. People in country areas, who are already small bodies that cater for junior sport in deprived of so many services, are not receiv­ Queensland. ing their due and just coverage of major sporting events. This occurs particularly in I want to move to another point that J areas where only the A.B.C. transmits. In have previously raised in this Chamber, that those areas, because there is not sufficient is my suggestion to the Minister for Culture, coverage for advertising, commercial chan­ National Parks and Recreation that a sport­ nels do not transmit. Most country people ing hall of fame be established in Queensland are sick and tired of watching golf very to give proper and true recognition to those late at night. There is nothing very stirring prominent Queensland sportsmen and sports­ or interesting about watching golf on tele­ women who have brought great fame and vision or f~r that matter, watching "Pot honour to this State. Many of them are Black" for the sixth time, which is the personally known to us at this stage of our forte of the A.B.C. Apparently the A.B.C. lives. Some of us have been closely associated purchased "Pot Black", and it seems to with them. Many who did so well in the past continually transmit repeats. are now starting to be forgotten by the young junior sports people of today. Many of us in (Time expired.) this Chamber recognise that our first great feelings for sport, particularly for sport in Mr. NEAL (Balonne) (3.17 p.m.): I rise which we did eventually excel, came from to support the Minister in this debate on ?ur own childhood feelings towards the sport­ his Estimates. In so doing, I congratulate mg heroes of those days. That is obvious him on his appointment to that portfolio. In when one looks at the history of former addition I conaratulate the officers of the well-known sportsmen of this State and departm~nt foro the work they are doing. nation. We can all be very proud of the new Moves are being made in Canberra to Queensland Cultural Centre being built. in establish a national sporting hall of fame as Brisbane. It is befitting of our State cap1tal, part of the proposed national history museum. and something that we can all be proud of While the so-called cultural centre is being as Queenslanders. established on the south bank of the Brisbane River there is an excellent opportunity to Mr. Bourke: It should have been built in incorporate within it a Queensland sporting Toowoomba. hall of fame. The Queensland Museum will be shifted from its present location near the Mr. NEAL: Unfortunately, that is the way Royal Brisbane Hospital to that complex. a number of people view such a develop­ The Queensland Museum has achieved prom­ ment. Whilst i1 will be a tremendous asset inence and recognition over the years for to the people of Brisbane, unfortunately a the high standard of its displays. Nonethe­ great number of people in western areas less, many of the exhibits deal with subjects will possibly never know what it looks like, that do not interest the ordinary person. It let alone what happens there. However, that is very difficult to interest him in museum is no reason why the State should not have exhibits unless he can be encouraged to visit such a cultural centre. I certainly support the museum. it. Supply (22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1849

I shall now advert to our State's national The honourable member for Southport also parks. It is very pleasing to see the tre­ referred to the management of such parks. mendous amount of support national parks They certainly pose probl~ms. They are are receiving from the public and the way havens for feral pests, vermin, and so on, in which they are being maintained and and they become a bone of contention with managed. It is also heartening that we have people living alongside them when feral pigs 2 700 000 ha of national parks. The area is cause damage to improvements such as increasing yearly through departmental fencing and to crops or when they lose acquisitions when and where land becomes lambs. It is a problem that must be con­ available. National parks are very well sidered, and I believe that control measures patronised. It is a pleasure to see the number could be taken to reduce the number of of people who visit our parks. It is feral pigs in national parl: ;. In my opinion, absolutely amazing to find that hundreds of they are the worst pest in the State at the people take advantage of the facilities moment, and I was pleased to see recently offered in them, especially during holiday that the Federal Minister for Primary Indus­ periods. Naturally, for city dwellers, they try had given approval for the establishment provide an opportunity to get away from the of a processing plant at Goondiwindi at hustle and bustle. It is somewhere for which scrub pigs would be treated for export parents to take their children, to get them as game meat. That will partly control out into the country and to learn from feral pigs, because their e1imination nature. Of course, national parks close to would stoo the income of the processing heavily populated areas are visited most plant and. the operators would not want frequently and receive most attention, and that to happen. that is only to be expected. Over the years much has been said about In dealing with the subject of national various species of wildlife being endangered. parks, the honourable member for Cooroora We must be very careful to maintain wild­ said that he thought a charge should be life species and ensure that they are not levied for use of the facilities. I know exterminated. I have been pleased to note that a tremendous amount of work is an increase in the number of emus, cur­ required to maintain the walkways, toilet lews and koalas in my area. Like other facilities, barbecue areas, and so on, but, animals, they suffer from drought and disease. although it would be one way of recouping some of the Government's expenditure on Mr. Moore: What about the 1080 cam­ national parks, I do not think that a charge paign? Did it get rid of the dingoes? should be levied. At one time I did believe that a charge should be made for the Mr. NEAL: Thank heavens we have only services provided. However, I now realise an odd one or two of them. that they are one of the few places to which As I said, the native animals and birds families can go and have an enjoyable but suffer from drought and disease, but after inexpensive time, without continually a run of reasonable seasons. coupled with having to put their hands in their pockets. a bumper season last year, the wildlife Some of the officers of the National species have built up in my area. I know Parks and Wildlife Service have made it clear that a tremendous build-up has taken to me that they would not like to see place in the number of ground birds and charges levied. They put it this way: while small marsupials as a direct result of the no cha~ges are being levied, they believe 1080 pig-baiting campaign carried out in that they have a certain amount of 1976 or 1977. While the meat-bait cam­ authority over behaviour and the disposal paign could have been conducted more of rubbish in national parks; whereas, if a cautiously, large numbers of feral cats, foxes charge is levied, people will say, "We are and scrub pigs were destroyed. That was paying for this. We can do what we please." one of the good things which flowed from In my opinion, while people do not have that campaign. It is well known that foxes to pay and while officers and rangers of and feral cats cause tremendous havoc with the Wildlife Service adopt the approach that small marsupials and birds. While many they are now adopting, people will respect conservationists were concerned about the national parks and maintain them in the impact on wildlife of the 1080 campaign, way in which they should be maintained. I belief that it did infinitely more good than harm. I did not see any evidence of Some very large areas in ·western Queens­ real harm, apart from that caused to domestic land have been set aside as national parks. I wonder how many people will visit areas dogs. The advantages far outweighed the that are off the beaten track for tourists disadvantages. and are too far away to visit for a week­ We are often told that we must be care­ end. Perhaps some people who are reallv ful with the koala population. One night desirous of seeing them will venture out when I was going home from Parliament, there on a holiday or for long week-ends. I reached the area near the Ipswich bypass However, they are virtually untouched at road and had to stop in a line of traffic. present, and I wonder what type of manage­ I thought that there had been an accident. ment and control and what type of facilities When I drove past slowly, I found a large can be provided by the National Parks number of people shepherding a koala across and Wildlife Service. the road. It is quite common for me and 1850 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) members of my family to see koalas on our the number of tags was increased. I should property. As a young lad, I did not know like to think that this coming year the that they were there. It was only after department wiil have more than adequate I started to look for them and found how tags on hand to cater for the demand, to find them that I learnt there were plenty because a number of professional shooters of koalas there. When we know how to and many semi-professional week-end look for some of these animals and are shooters depend on kangaroo-shooting for prepared to spend a little time doing so, their livelihood. I am hopeful that, at the we find them. beginning of the coming year, we will have adequate tags. I believe that we could Last year the dramatic increase in the have an open season on kangaroos, as we number of kangaroos caused severe prob­ had before the introduction of the tag lems. Most landholders have no desire to system. By "open season", I mean that we wipe out kangaroos. They are prepared to could operate without the tags, because the live with them; in fact, they have to do departmental officers are quite capable of so whether they like it or not. Kangaroos handling the matter. will never be shot out in Queensland. Queens­ land has manv millions of inaccessible acres I should like to touch briefly on the in which kangaroos can Jive. Man has no other areas of the portfolio. I am dis­ chance of getting into those areas to wipe appoi_nted that the allocation by way of them out. The problem of plague numbers sportmg grants is not as much as it was of kangaroos this year is the direct result last year. As I have said before, in times of of the ban placed on the sale and export of economic stringency we must expect some kangaroo products by the then Federal belt-tightening. It is not unreasonable to Minister for Export and Trade, Senator expect that there will be some curtailment Murphy, in 1973. somewhere, and this is obviouslv one area ,where this has occurred. Grants and sub­ Mr. Davi~: I supported it, too. sidies to sporting clubs have been of tre­ mendous benefit to organisations in my area. Mr. NEAL: I quite understand that the 'It enables them to provide facilities much honourable member would support it. That better than they cDuld expect if they had is indicative of his sympathy for the rural to rely completely on their own resources. areas. He is always saying how sympathetic Because it is an indication that the Govern­ he is. ment is ~i¥ing the people in my electorate The closing of the American market and some assiStance, they are most appreciative. the ban resulted in a number of shooters and I am also appreciative of the assistance companies that were dealing in pet meats, given to the various cultural groups such as kan_garoo products and skins going out of pottery clubs in my area. These groups busmess. Nobody will shoot large numbers are most necessary in country areas and of kangaroos if he does not get anything deserve support. It is one way for the for the product or the skin. ladies of the area to get together. Many of Mr. Davis: Then why are you always them travel long distances to attend such wanting more tags? gatherings. It is not uncommon to find women travelling 50, 60 and even 100 miles Mr. NEAL: I am referring to the time to take part in pottery and drama groups when the export ban was in force and the and the like. products could not be sold. Nobody would The other matter with which I would shoot kangaroos, and that is how the prob­ like to deal briefly relates back to the area lem of large numbers of kangaroos this year of sport. I know that the department does arose. The numbers increased simply because not give assistance for the renewal of !>part­ of the wonderful season we had last year and ing facilities, but I think that it is something because they had not been shot back. That that could be looked at, particu.Jar,ly for the created a tremendous problem. smaller clubs \vhich provide very necessarv The officers of the National Parks and s.porting facilities in country districts. It i"s Wildlife Service did everything in their very difficult for those clubs to raise the power to obtain tags. They foresaw the sort of funds necessary, for instance to problem and they had approximately 750,000 rene~v bowling greens. ' or 800,000 tags on order for this season. I -look forward to the Minister visiting Unfortunately, that number was nowhere my electorate so that I can show him through near enough and they had to get more tags the Southwood National Park and the new half-way through the year. The difficulty area near Goondiwindi that was declared a arose partly because only one companv in national park only yesterday or the day Australia manufactures the tags. It C'ould before. I would like to show him some of produce only about 50,000 a week, so it was the areas of the national park where feral not possible to get the number of taos to pigs are a real problem. They are causing satisfy the demand. " landholders in the area a great deal of In addition, the Federal Governmen1 was concern. reluctant to increase the quota unless a scientific count was taken. I was verv Mr. AKERS (Pine Rivers) (3.37 p.m.): pleased that the Director, Mr. Saunders, Today we are debating the Estimates of authorised those counts to be taken, and the portfolio of Culture, National Parks Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1851

and Recreation. It covers a fairly wide I give my warmest congratulations to ;al"l:ge of not totally related subjects, and Mr. Robin Gibson, the architect in charge lt 1s. my duty and pleasure to support the of the Queensland Cultural Centre project. motwn moved by the new Minister to cover He is one of the most imaginative and the eXipenditure for this Budget item. capable architects in Australia. I know it always sounds bad to say, "I This project is an excellent example of support it, but", but I do have some criti­ what is possible in Queensland. It includes cism of the Estimates that have been pro­ a performing al'ts complex, a permanent ?uced. . They just do not give us enough home for the Queensland Museum and the mformat1on to conduct an informerl debate Queensland Art Gallery, a full State Library, and so the discussion covers a very wid~ a restaurant and auditorium. Out in front range of subjects that are not really re·lated are the structures that are obvious now­ to the Budget. The Estimates for this the landing stage and the Queen Elizabeth II portfolio cover only four pages plus a sum­ Silver Jubblee Fountain, which Her Majesty mary, and yet the figures concerned are turned on when she was here a couple of quite large. The estimated e:xcpenditure years ago. under this portfolio is $18,710,677. As usual, we see the item "Contingencies" It is an exciting building. If one looks at the drawings and understands the model, one which is a very vague term and is not sees that there wiJ:l be some very interesting sufficiently explained, although I must admit volumes and spaces in that building. It that it does contain more information than is a credit to both the ~magination and the it has in previous years. Of the amount ability of the architect, Robin mbson, and to of $18,000,000, $2,200,000 has been allocated the trust itself, which is very ably lerl by to the Chief Offise. The Library Board is Sir David Muir. I am informerl that the trust not now included under that hearling. The is co-operating very well with the architects CuhuraJ Activities section takes another and allowing them to work properly on this $3,172,000. project. The present budget for the project is $42,400,000. Since 1974, the budget has There is a "Special Allocations" sub­ had to absorb quite a number of changes, division, for which $6,878,799 is required. It but it is still under control. takes up five _lines at the bottom of page 25 of the Es!Jmates. Not enough detail is The changes that have been made include given of what is intenderl. I would urge the relocation of roads, which is now being that, _when f!ftur~ Budgets are presented, undertaken. A left-hand turn detail has more mformatwn 1s made available to Pa:dia­ been enforced by the traffic plannling com­ ment so that members can really debate mittee. Since the initial design, the fire the Estimates and not do as I am about to services to the building have been upgraderl. do, that is, to cover all the functions that To~lets have been provided for the members are performed by the department. of the pubiic using the plaza areas. Accom­ The Minister is responsible for cultural modation for the cultural trust has heen organisations, giving encouragement and added to the bUJilding since that time. The assistance to sport, the National Parks and project is presently within its budget. The Wildlife Service, the Queensland Art Gallery, only escalation of cost so far is that based the Queensland Museum, the Queensland on the materials and wages index. That is Theatre Company and the State Library, as the same as for any other project. I am well as a few other less important but detailed reminded by those involved in the construc­ matters that are listed in the Est

Another feature of the project has been Mr. Davis: It is in my electorate. the planned construction programme pro­ duced by the architects and other con­ Mr. AKERS: The flood must really have sultants both from the Public Service sector, got into his head for him to make a state­ under the excellent control of Mr. Roman ment like that. Pavlyshyn, the Director of Works and from It is extremely interesting to note that the private sector, with all the consultants the information pavilion that has been built working under Mr. Gibson. They have on the project is being visited by a large worked in unison to manage this project number of people, who have recorded their properly in terms of stringent cost control, enthusiasm for the creation of this home both on the individual bits and pieces of for cultural pursuits in Queensland. I sug­ the project and also on the total, overall gest that people such as the member for complex. Over the years there has been a Brisbane Central, who apparently does not long history of problems in the construction know anything about it even though it is of public buildings, brought about by a lack in his electorate, and others who are opposed of co-operation. to the project, should visit the information Quality control in the project has been pavilion, read what has been said by visitors maintained by a very high degree of archi­ and appreciate how it has engendered interest tectural skill of the teams under the direction and excitement in the population. of both Mr. Pavlyshyn and Mr. Gibson. Mr. Davis: I didn't say I was opposed to Quality control in a project such as this is it. I just said that it was built on the paramount, as it is a public building that wrong spot; that's all. will influence the cultural atmosphere of Queensland for many years to come. Of all Mr. AKERS: The member for Brisbane the other things that are involved in a Central would not find anything right in building, what remains are the final quality anything the Government does. He is quite of the material finish and the overall design. happy to go out and present the cheques All the other aspects are soon forgotten. that the Government provides to sporting Co-operation has helped to give proper groups in his electorate; but, like the mem­ control over the project. The co-operation ber for Sandgate, he gets up and criticises given by the trust has been constantly praised the whole project. Then, when the cheques by the people involved. I previously men­ are distributed, they will go out and make tioned Sir David Muir. Many other very heroes of themselves. capable people are involved in the trust. Mr. Leo Hielscher, the Under Treasurer, is Mr. WARBURTON: I rise to a point of the deputy chairman of the trust. He is order. The honourable member for Pine involved because the Treasury is financing the Rivers indicated that I criticised the cultural project. He has exhibited enlightened and centre project. That is entirely incorrect. capable control. The co-operation has been described to me as ideal. The words used The CHAIRMAN: Order! The honour­ by the architects involved were, "The trust able member for Sandgate will find that he is has been an interested body as opposed to misinterpreting those comments. an interfering body." I think that is a very Mr. AKERS: The cultural centre, even good description of what is happening. It though it is being built by another depart­ has allowed the professional people, both ment comes under the Minister's portfolio. inside and outside the Public Service, to It is 'an example of what can be done by a co-operate and work together in the full completely and totally enlightened team, ~oth sense. administratively and professionally. I believe The fourth aspect that has helped the pro­ that it proves incorrect thos~ criti~isms ject is that all people associated with it, that have followed recent major projects. especially the workmen and artisans, are Criticism of architects and their control of honouring their commitment in terms of jobs can be overcome without the loss of productivity and quality of workmanship. That quality and public accountability that is is an exciting thing to see. Anyone who looks inherent in the so-called project management at the site can see that the building is being schemes presently being entered into by sec­ constructed with real care by all persons tions of governmental responsibility such as working on it. I believe that they are really the Health Department and the S.G.I.O. creating a building for all of the people of I urge the Government to look at the Queensland, their children, their grandchild­ ren and many generations after them. control that is exercised on the cultural centre and the total co-operation the public 1\Ir. Davis: It will be particularly good servants have been given, and to understand if a flood comes. It is on the wrong side the way in which finances have been con­ of the river. trolled in the project. Cash flows have been followed. The management of the project Mr. AKERS: That statement just shows has been entirely satisfactory. The Govern­ that the member for Brisbane Central has ment will find that it is wasting money on not had a look at what is involved in it. ventures such as project management and A comment like that shows that he has package deals that it is involving itself in not made any check at all. at the moment. Supply (22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1853

The comment I earlier made about the loose. However, I prefer it to be too loose member for Sandgate, which he misinterpre­ than too tight, to be available to too many ted, was a reference to his speech as Opposi­ people than to too few. I congratulate the tion spokesman in this field-shadowy Government on the tremendous effort that Minister, or whatever term they use on that it has produced and the Minister on keeping side of the Chamber. One of the things I the scheme going this year. I hope that the heard him say was that the Minister should relevant Vote will be increased year after provide officers of his department to make year. sure that all sporting groups in Queensland One of the major projects in my electorate know that subsidies are available. Later is the Brisbane Area Forest Park, which :m he said that we should force people comes under the control of several Ministers m small groups to amalgamate, so that if because it covers different bits and pieces there are two separate scouting groups they of land. It was suggested originally in this ~hould. be amalgamated to save money. That Chamber by Sir Douglas Tooth, and it has Is typical of the bureaucratic attitude the now gone ahead. One of the projects opened A.L.P. tries to impose in all spheres of recently was Bellbird Park at Camp Moun­ activity. tain. Mr. Warburton: You are misrepresenting (Time expired.) the facts. Mr. PREST (Port Curtis) (3.58 p.m.): Mr. AKERS: The honourable member After studying the Estimates, I see that, as cannot deny that he said that officers of the stated by the Minister earlier today, addi­ department should go out and do his job tional funds have been made available for and let the people of his electorate know 1979-80 and that an additional 21 people will ~hat is available from the Government. He be employed. I note that in 1978-79 a little Is quite happy to go along and hand out over $16,000,000 was spent and that the the cheques-- allocation for 1979-80 is $18,710,677. Mr. Warburton: Only you people get that As the honourable member for Pine advantage; we don't. Rivers said, it is fairly difficult to ascertain how that money is to be spent because very few details are given in the Estimates. Mr. AKERS: I am sure that is not true. Unfortunately, as the honourable member If the honourable member for Sandgate has for Sandgate pointed out, the reports have no1 the gumption to organise himself and only recently been printed and are now keep his electorate informed he should coming into the hands of honourable mem­ step aside, stop being the shadow Minister bers. In the Chief Office, 23 people were and let someone else do the job properly. employed last year and $2,101,613 was sp:nt; Grants for sport in Queensland are far this year, 25 people will be employed and ahead of those in other Australian States. how that money is to be spent because very They were introduced in this State first There is to be an increase from eight to and the:\:' are giving really effective support nine in the Cultural Activities section and to sportmg and cultural groups. It is not an increase in expenditure of about a sys_tem, such as the A.L.P. wants, of just $400,000. handmg out money and leaving it at that. The number of employees at the Queens­ land Museum is to increase by five and Mr. Kruger: Oh, you are critical of the expenditure will increase by about $200,000. Labor Party. The Art Gallery will have an additional five employees and an extra $350,000 to spend. Mr. AKERS: It is easy to be critical of The staff of the National Parks and Wildlife the Labor Party. Service is to increase by five, with an addi­ tional expenditure of $700,000. Whereas the The system, which was introduced origin­ Library Fund received $6,000,000 last year, ally by the late John Herbert, involves com­ it is to get almost $6,500,000 this year. The Il_littee~ or executives of clubs and organisa­ Library Fund assists people throughout the tions m real forethought and planning. I State; all people benefit from it. Under the congratulate every group to which I speak heading "Special Allocations" in the Esti­ on the real effort they have made and the mates, I see that amounts are granted for planning that they have done in order to the Queensland Performing Arts, Newstead have the money made available to them. The House and the Film Industry Development system certainly encourages them to do that, Fund. The increase in funds allocated is because the most difficult part of raising about 16 per cent, which is above the infla­ money comes when one has almost succeeded tion rate of about 10 per cent. I hope that and has to raise a little more. When the we may see an improved performance by last third becomes available, groups become these bodies but in the light of the number really enthusiastic. of extra employees the increased allocation will be used up administratively. Even if There are some faults in the system and we employ an additional 25 people, I would some valid criticism may be offered. For not hesitate to say that the money is being example, it could be criticised as being too well spent. 81364-64 1854 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates)

I have some reservations about the money selected in State teams, at this stage only being spent by the Films Board of Review. the age teams, in cricket, hockey, karate, The honourable member for Sandgate boxing and trarnpolining. They have aH covered the matter fairly well, but I have performed well for the State. I do not intend some further comments to make. In August to name each of them individually for fear '1979, an amendment to the regulations that I might omit to mention one. I do not ensured that the board chairman would want it to be claimed that I did not treat receive a 500 per cent increase retrospective equally all of the sponts boys and girls who to 1 January. That, in itself, was more than have made such an impact in sport in my strange considering that an amendment intro­ area. duced in February lifted the chairman's yearly hand-out from $2,000 to $3,000 and, I can assure the Committee that junior in fact, was effective from 1 February 1979, spol.'t is improvJng. Clubs, irrespective of the not 1 January. I ask the Minister why, sport involved, support their teams and the after a lift from $2,000 to $3,000 effective teams do not let them down. They play the from 1 February 1979, it was decided to game and play it well. They are real sports­ scrap that arrangement and give a $10,000 men and sportswomen. I am proud of the a year bonanza to Mr. Draydon, effective children who make the grade-in fact of all from 1 January 1979. children who take part in sport. Sporting fields and amenities are e~sential. If the Minister asks how and where he The demand for them is growing each year. can obtain some extra revenue, I will Therefore, the Government and the people seriously suggest that he scrap the board of are having greater demands placed on them review. A payment of $10,000 a year, irre­ for finance. These days, many people have spective of effort, and with no need to prove free time; unfortunately because some of value for money, is not a bad hand-out for them are unemployed. Others are shi~t­ a Liberal-cum-National Party candidate who workers whose hours of employment allow was to relinquish his position on the board of their devoting time to play sport and to if he became the endorsed National Party supervise and administer sport. candidate for Sherwood. He conveniently chose to maintain the lucrative position of I express my thanks to Queensland board chairman following his disastrous Alumina Limited. It has been helping to defeat in the Sherwood by-election. During finance the activities of the Gladstone Spor.ts Mr. Draydon's campaign lasting many weeks, and Parks Development Committee, which film censorship in this State came to a halt. is developing a spo~ting field and facilities If we could do without that extravagant in the centre of Gladstone. Over the past nonsense at that time, we can certainly do few years more than $1,600,000 has been without it now. I am not one to criticise spent on this project, of which Q.A.L. has too harshly, but I do believe in this instance contributed at least $1,000,000. Sporting that cdticism is warranted. clubs, such as the Port Curt1s Tennis Associa­ tion, the hockey association and the basket I read in the Press lately that the Queens­ and netball association in Gladstone have land Cultural Centre is to be, in effect, made major contributions. They have played another Sydney Opera House. I hope that a very important part in making the project it may be, if only for the beauty and appeal successful. that the Sydney Opera House has to offer. It will not be as costly to build or as expen­ Before Mr. Fraser and his party gained sive to run as the Sydney Opera House. Only power in Canberra, the Federal Government recently the Opera House showed a terrific paid a subsidy to the committee. Over the loss for the past financial year. I hope that past few years, the oruly subsidy has come our cultural centre will be so designed that from the State Government. Of course, we it may be used for the benefit of all groups, are most grateful for it and appreciative of which will not be priced out of using the it. We did not receive any assistance for facilities at the centre. two years, but this year we received $170,000 subsidy, and we will be spending The money made available to assist in $500,000 this financial year. The Gladstone the payment of coaching juniors has been Sports and Parks Development Committee well spent. Unfortunately, insufficient money is doing a wonderful job and appreciates the has been allocated. I would like more money subsidy paid to it and the hdp given to it by made available for the purpose. In the past, Mr. Ron Leahy. He is a very fair-minded country youngsters who had tons of talent man. I thank him for the work that he is were not coached in the finer points so as doing and the assistance that he has given to give them an equal opportunity to compete to me. I wish him well in the future. with city boys and girls. Now that coaches are available and clubs are assisted by way Because of competition from many other of subsidy, we will see a vast improvement clubs and organisa.tions that raise funds by in the standards of the young sports people way of raffles and so on, sporting clubs are from country areas. In no time they will finding it harder and harder to raise money be representing the State. to start this project. Because of the deJay, inflation and rising costs are causing great It would be remiss of me not to say how concern to the committee, and it has had proud I am of the young spor.tsmen and to delay plans to approve the necessary sportswomen from my area who have been facilities. Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1855

The Commonwealth Games are just a H is impossible for sporting fields, which couple of years a.way. We must show people have multiple uses, to get by with only from aH over the world who will come to ordinary hosing or waiting for the good Dur State what fine sportsmen and sports­ Lord to send down rain. The centres that women we have. These men and women are are presently being built, particularly in the appealing for money to enable them to green-belt area in Gladstone, are used for -compete against better competition. 'fhere hockey, softbaU and cricket. Many clubs is no doubt that this is the only way our are using the facilities that have been pro­ sporting people wiU ever again reach the vided by Queensland Alumina Ltd, with top. We should support them to the utmost. assistance from the clubs themselves and a The State and Federal Governments should subsidy from the Government. remember that these are Commonwealth Games. We are part of the Commonwealth, I agree with what the Leader of the and our reputation depends on our doing the Opposition said. More money should be utmost we can to make sure that the Games given to the amateur sporting associations are a success. Our representatives are ready that are providing the necessary facilities to give a pel'formance of which we know for so many thousands of boy.s and girls and Australians are capable, but if our Govern­ men and women. This money should not be ments want to be lousy with financial assist­ going to commercial sports such as skating. ance then in return our representatives can If skating clubs can prove that they are not only be eXopected to give a lousy exhibition. connected with the owners of the rinks, I They do not want to do that, and I do believe that they should receive some form not want to see them do it. of subsidy. But, as has been stated, the amount that is being provided in some areas One thing with which I do not entirely for the sport of skating would pro¥ide a agree is that when clubs make application full--time coach for that sport for one year. for grants or subsidies, they must do so through their State body or association. I thank the Min:ister, and particularly the Therefore the State association has the right depal'trment, for the way in which they have to decide whether it will support that as-sisted me during the past 12 months. application. It could be said that that places full responsibility on the State associa­ Mr. POWELL (Isis) (4.17 p.m.): It is tion to say that what is requested is neces­ well said that the complete person is the sary and that the club should receive one with a sound mind and body. The Gov­ assistance. One might say that as the ernment is to be congratulated for drawing Government's cake is so smaH the State together a number of departments under one association might want to give preference to ministerial portfolio. Perhaps it could be the bigger clubs and neglect the smaller said that some sports or sportJng and recrea­ provincial dubs. The association could keep tional activities have not been included under Dn doing this over a long period. It could this ministerial portfolio, but I think it is even be that the association might mislay fair to say that when culture, national parks an application and find it only after the and recreation are grouped together, a fairly closing date for applications. It would then complete section of human endeavour is be too late for the club to begin a certain covered. project. If it is necessary that some body Much has been said this afternoon about supports the application, it could be that sport and sporting grants. I guess that this the local authority should be asked to do so. It would be in the position of knowing matter is fairly near and dear to the hearts whether the club was worthy of assistance. of many polit,icians. They like to be able to After all, the members of the State associa­ grant sums of money to various bodies within tion might never get out into the more their electorates. They think that this gives isolated and remote parts of the State. They them some sort of aggrandisement. We must might not appreciate the need for sportincr look at this matter realisticaUy, and I think fa6lities in those parts of the State. There~ that that is what the Government has done, fore I beli.ev.e that instead of the parent and will continue to do. body submlttmg the application we should consider allowing the local authority to do so. I applaud the Government's decision to increase the amount of money available for H is very pleasing to see the number coaching juniors. I also applaud the way in of n_ot only young children but older people which it distributes money to sporting bodies. playm.g sport throughout the State today. I think that this is commendable. I am rather In this day and age, it is vital that people disturbed about the attitude that some play sp.ort, and with so many organisations previous speakers Jn this debate have adopted. competmg for the available local finance It is fairly clear that some organisations are it is apparent that the State Government aggrieved. Some sporting bodies within my has to make extra funds available to sport­ electorate and in electorates adjacent to ing clubs. In the past year or so there mine have not received aH the money for has been some cutting back in the areas for which they have applied. I guess we would whi~h subsidies are available, and it is find that that is the position throughout the obvwus that o?e of these is irrigation sys­ State. As applications represent $2 for each tems. for sportmg fields. The irrigation of $1 available, it is fairly clear that some sportmg fields today is almost a necessity. bodies will miss out on getting a grant. 1856 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates)

I was very distmbed to hear the speech a number of people, but I am tired of hear­ made this afternoon by the Leader of the ing claims for money for people who have Opposition. We all know, especially if we already had a sense of achievement and are read today's "Telegraph", that his famous already experts in sport. Because of my sporting endeavour is hot-air bailoorring. At belief, I applaud the Government's attitude least, that is probably the sport that the towards coaching grants. It is a very Labor Party uses him for. In his speech good way of going about the matter. In today, he endeavoured to tip some buckets. country areas there are young people who Perhaps the Government should consider do not have the opportunity to meet the giving the honourable member for Archer­ Greg Chappells and other sporting personali­ field a coaching grant so that he can coach ties of the nation. Consequently, in country the Leader of the Opposition in tipping areas teachers give their limited time to buckets. It is fairly clear that the Leader coaching local teams. Quite often their of the Opposition left a lot of infomiation ability is not as great as it might be. I out of his speech. He criticised a club for therefore think it is a marvellous thing receivcing a coaching grant. I find that to that the Government provides money for be a rather astounding proposition. The swimming clubs, hockey clubs, soccer clubs, guide-lines are quite clear. Only bona fide cricket clubs and what have you. I support clubs are able to receive coaching grants. the Government for continuing with that One of the other members o.f the Opposi­ sort of approach that was introduced by tion, I think it was the honourable member the late John Herbert. for Sandgate, spoke about the fact that many The Director of Sport, Mr. Ron Leahy, people know nothing of sporting grants. I who will retire in the near future, deserved might well ask what he has been doing about the tributes paid to him for the amount nf it. All members of Parliament should pub­ work he has done in steering this Govern­ licise the fact that grants are available. ment policy through. I wish him all the best Certainly in my own area I teH people as in his retirement. I hope it is long and often as I can of the time when they will he has the opportunity to enjoy some of be available. The Minister puts out a Press the sport he has fostered throughout the release on it. To my knowledge two Labor State. members, whose electorates adjoin mine, do I will now make some remarks on the exactly as I do. There is no excuse for a cultural activities of this State. As I said member of Parliament who stands here and before, a complete person is one with a says that sporting bodies within his elector­ sound mind and a sound body. Many penple ate know nothing about the grants. If that do not warm to vigorous physical sports and is so, that is his fault, and it is about time are more interested in the cultural activities he did something about publicising the matter in our society. I applaud the way the Gov­ in his electorate. ernment supports these people. I would hate to see the limited funds of The Education Department of late has this Government going to a great bureau­ introduced a programme which encourages cracy-that is what the member for Sandgate children to learn music in schools. As a asked for-that would travel around the result a number of societies and organisations countryside to tell people how to apply for are growing up in our community that gather grants. If a sporting body, or any other children together and give them extra-cur­ bodv for that matter, has enough initiative ricular activities in music. I refer to two in to form itself into a club, then it jolly well particular, the Bundaberg Youth Orchestra knows how to go about getting a grant. Cer­ and the Bundaberg Concert Band. Some tainly in my electorate that applies to sport­ honourable members were fortunate enough ing bodies and cultural bodies, both of which to be in Bundaberg in July and heard those receive large sums of money from the Gov­ two groups of young people perform. ernment. Mr. Ahern: They were very good. I am completely in favour of supporting junior sport, and I am completely in favour of supporting participation in sport. How­ Mr. POWELL: I thank the member for ever, I get sick and tired of people saying, Landsborough. especially in this place, that large sums of I am happy to be associated with those money ought to be given to experts in groups and to foster them as much as I sport-to the people who have already ~an. I am grateful that the Minister has achieved a measure of success. If money is been able to support them financially. Here to be given to those people, it has to be we have an example of people voluntarily taken from someone else. The Government going out of their way to gather th~ Y?ung should direct its financial support towards people together into those two orgamsatwns. the teaching of sport to as many people as They are two fine examples of young people it can, especially young people. They getting together, making themselves busy should have the opportunity to learn the and creating happiness for other people. The handling skiiis and other skills involved in self-help displayed by both organisations and team participation. I personally think that similar ones throughout the State is to be the Government should provide money in applauded. While Governments have money that direction. Maybe I am out of step with to distribute to foster this sort of activity, Supply [22 NovEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1857

each communitv must decide which acti­ Bundabera City Council is still having dif­ vities it wants for itself. Some commuml!es ficulty in "'having a library built and opened concentrate on one particular aspect of cul­ to the public. The people of Bundabe_rg ture while others concentrate on another are looking forward to it as a worthwhile aspect. The community itself should decide; addition to the community life of the city. but, having decided and having made the There are a number of sma1l shires need known to Government, the Government throughout the State, but the Minister said should step in and assist where it can. that only 11 of them are w·thout libra~y That is v.lc.at happened to both the faciJi.ties. That is really good. Queensland IS organisatioils I referred to. a huge State and some areas are very sparsely Reference has been made to the "Brisbane" populated, and it is pleasing to kn~w that Cultural Centre that is being built on the people in those areas are able to receive new south bank of the Brisbane River. I prefer books and reference material that ~s con­ to refer to it by its correct title, the tinually provided by the State Library service. "Queensland Cultural Centre", because it is The Minister's portfolio also includes the for the whole State. Perhaps the pity of National Parks and WiJdlife Service. Queenshnd is that our capital is in the far Although it is only four years old, it has south-eastern corner. Too many people who made tremendous steps and been able to visit Queensland come to Brisbane, go as project an image that I think is very healthy far north as Nambour and think they have indeed. When national parks were first seen our State. Of course, that is not so. thought of, people believed that they were It might have been beneficial and far-sighted stuffy litHe pieces of land, locked off, to if our foreb a track known as the A track, where the members will know that I have supported National Parks and Wildlife Service has its the Government on this action. Libraries headquarters. Until it became popularly are an extremely important part of com­ used by beach buggies, that track was always munity life, and I am disappointed that the trafficable by four-wheel drive vehicles. It is 1858 Supply (22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) not now because of the damage that has Mr. INNES (Sherwood) (4.38 p.m.): I been done to the sand. The fact that this is welcome this opportunity to take part in the the fourth year of drought does not help, debate on the Minister's Estimates. Many of course. honourable members have raised pertinent In my opinion, it is important that careful points about the administration of this very management planning should be implemented important department. It is not important for the use of vehicles in national parks. in the sense of being essential to the com­ You will note, Mr. Row, that I sa,id "for the mercial life of the State, but commerce is use of vehicles in national parks", because not the only thing in life. It is very important I do not believe that they should be excluded. to the activities that people enjoy when they EverYb?dY should have the opportunity of are not at work. tmversmg the parks and seeing for them­ The department covers all of the most selves the marveJs that they contain. significant areas of what I might call recrea­ Although it could reasonably be said that tional activity. It is not that commerce is one will not be a:ble to see some of the excluded from recreational activity. Indeed, rarer birds and other animal life in national in this State, we are fortunate to have a P:arks unless one is fit enough, and has the growing relationship between recreation and time,. to bt? able to hike in the park, one commercial revenue earning. It is probably certamly WI11 not see them if one is using a a mistake to freeze anything at any time, noisy vehicle. A tremendous amount of scenery is available. Consequently, I believe or to isolate anything from participating in that we should be making provision for care­ community life by suggesting, "This earns fully controlled use of national parks by revenue and is worth while; that does not motor vehicles. earn revenue and takes a lower priority." . I mi~?;ht conclude by making another plea Obviously there is a problem in the man­ m relation to Fraser Island, which is in my agement of areas that do not fall into one electorate. The national park area in the category or another. Problems occur on north of the island is administered by the Fraser and Moreton Islands where parts of Hervey Bay Town Council, while the south­ the island are covered by national parks, parts er_n part is administered by the Maryborough by forestry, and parts are subject to freehold City ~ouncil. Therein lies the problem. or leasehold tenure on which people can Council~, naturally, are unwilling to spend build residences of some sort or another. It money m an ar:ea that does not return money. appears that on sand islands some type of They are no different from other authorities. overall committee is necessary to deal with The rates received by the two local auth­ the total problems as opposed to the indi­ ?rities from Fraser Island are very small vidual problems of specific areas. The Cook m deed. committee of inquiry into Moreton Island The Government should take the bit recommended precisely such a body for betwet?n its teeth and form a management Moreton Island. It recommended a bodv with committee to administer Fraser Island. representation from all of the strands that Through no fault of their own the local are necessary to deal with the totality of the authorities are just not up to it. A mana"e­ island. It left the island in the local auth­ ment committee similar to that which ;{et ority area of the Brisbane City Council, to .form a management plan should be regu­ because it will still have a role in the sub­ larised. It should administer Fraser Moreton division of land and the approval of building and similar islands--islands that hav'e national applications. parks, forestry, maritime service and other The problem generally relating to national departmental interests. For the correct man­ parks, as with all other current governmental agement of such places, it is important that activity, is revenue. Many of the criticisms they be taken out of the hands of local that are levelled from time to time---{)ne authorities and put under a Government would say they are only slight-really relate authority that can be approached and has to the fact that all of the money that is officers already stationed there. necessary to do everything that the National Parks and Wildlife Service would like to do Rubbish is a non-existent problem in the is not available and, as applies to all other national parks on Fraser Island. The park Government departments, never will be avail­ officers do an excellent job. However it is able. a problem in other parts of the island: The 40,000-odd visitors who go to the island every In the case of the National Parks and year-and the number is increasing con­ Wildlife Service, I might say that the tinually-are conscious of the problems. Government's dollar goes further than it They believe that the Government should goes in many other areas of governmental take action. I plead with the Minister for aotivity. The enthusiasm and the dedication Culture, National Parks and Recreation to of the officers of that service ensure that the take the initiative w:th his Cabinet colleagues Government gets far more for each dollar in trying to get something done along these spent by that service than it gets for each lines. I know that it was Government policy dollar spent in many other areas of govern­ to put all these islands in the hands of local mental activity. authorities because of mistakes that had been The service has done a magnificient job, made. being a very young department that is (Time expired.) burgeoning in the sense of the area that it Supply (22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1859 has to administer. The enormous growth in Mr. INNES: Perhaps the honourable the declaration of national parks and in the member might live to have a couple of acquisition and eventual declaration of acres in the electorate of Murrumba named national parks that is now in the pipeline after him. has far outstripped the growth in the man­ There is no doubt that in the years to power in the department and the money come the Cape York national parks will that is being made available to it. What it become, if not the greatest, certainly among has done with its resources in the few years the greatest of the world's national parks; it has under its belt as a service speaks those areas of unique virgin territory that well for what it will do in the future. have been set aside in an extraordinarHy far­ The importance of this service has not yet sighted actJion by the Queensland Govern­ been fully recognised by all. The Parliament ment in the past few years. As I say, by will recall the figures that indicate that the isolation those parks are virtually under their use of national parks is growing at the rate own care and management now. They have of 20 per cent per annum; in other words, not yet been developed to any extent by the it is far outstripping the growth of the National Parks and Wildlife Service, yet in community. The estimated figures that were their eadiest days they will generate enor­ made available this year indicate that the mous income for Cairns, parti'culaDiy in June use of national parks in this State is equiva­ next year. They might become show-piece lent to a visit by all persons in this State national parks for visitors, although they will once a year. That is a vast usage and a vast have to make a long journey to see them, service that the National Parks and Wildlife even from within Australia. Service is providing for the community. National parks have to be provided in The service has to play a variety of roles. other areas for more direct access by greater I do not agree totally with the honourable numbers of the community. In t:he south­ member for Isis when he says broadly that east corner of the State where the majority tracks and roads in national parks must be of people presently reside, there is, in my kept open or must be prov.ided. In some view, a dearth of national parks. Indeed, parks that would be perfectly reasonable there are very few areas where national and proper, and in other parks it would not. parks can be provided because of the extent For instance, the modern technical term of urban development. One is not ca11ing "wilderness park" bespeaks an exclusion of on anybody to go back into history or for vehicles and all other forms of travel except the re-creation of natural areas, but it does human locomotion-shanks's pony. That mean we must look to the efficient manage­ term has perhaps acquired a breadth which ment of what we have and at the acquisition leads to confusion at times. Some areas will of oilier areas where parks can reasona'bly have to be kept totally intact because of be provided, having regard to the many com­ the rarity of the ecology or a particular peting interests of man. species. Some areas should be kept com­ Referdng briefly to the report that has pletely intact so that people can enjoy and been printed and tabled today, I see with experience walking in completely virgin some pleasure that there is a proposal to country. Other national parks should, and consolidate the s·cenic rim. That proposal must, be provided to allow for far wider received the support of the Premier some human access. two or three years ago, and .it has been I shall now deal with the park situation furthered by t:he Scenic Rim Association in general. The Minister has highlighted the which, like so many in these areas of con­ significance of the new acquisitions and servation, does magnificent, totally voluntary declarations in Cape York next year. I under­ work in attempting to persuade both the stand that the accommodation available in authorities and the public of the urgency Cairns in June next year for the fortnight and importance of preservation to the surrounding the Second World Wilderness community, both now and in the future. It Conference is virtually booked out. Perhaps will be gratifying if next year the Forestry the national park itself will employ only a Departrrnent and the Mines Department take small number of people, but, if it generates the steps that they could take to release that type of visitation to a city or town on the very small areas that those behind the its borders, it is quite clear that we cannot scenic rim proposal are presently seeking stop looking at its commercial relevance. in order to provide a trail from Mount We must look at what it brings to nearby Mistake almost around to the ocean, through towns and communities in terms of visitor same 400 miles of what is left of previously use and revenue from people passing through. magnificent, splendid, scenic, v.irgin country. Mr. Burns: Look at the money that goes The visitor use of national parks in South­ to South Africa from their national parks. ea;,! Queensland, as some members will knorw, is of an enormously high order. A total of Mr. INNES: Absolutely. Everybody in the 1,250,000 people a year visit Springbrook, world has heard of the Kruger National Tamborine, Natural Arch and Lamington Park. Everybody who goes to South Africa alone. The camping areas at Binna Burra, thinks of going there. which provides access to the Lamington National Park, are full throughout the main Mr. Yewdale: It was named after the holiday per•iods. Indeed, Binna Burra has a honourable member for Murrumba. very high visitor occupancy throughout the 1860 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) year. Some three yea.rs ago, the owners of I congratulate the Minister and his officers. Binna Burra took out figures on their turn­ I also congratulate th.~ members of the over. Even at that time, I think it was National Parks and Wildlife Service for the about $350,000 or $360,000. There has been excellent work that they have done. I considerable reinvestment by that small congratulate them on the quality of the public-spirited company since then. I think work that thev are doing to educate future that 70 per cent of that money was spent generations. The quality of the educational within 40 miles of the park. That shows the material-the guides, the posters and t?e potential importance of national parks to the speciaEst material that is produced an_d dJ~­ local community. tributed throughout our commumty-Js absolutely first class. In fact, it is wol'ld When the forests are logged out, when class. I think that a special commendation other rural industries or short-term indus­ should go to the National Parks and W!ld­ tries have come and gone, when dairy farms !ife Service photographer, Mr. Steve Pansh, become marginal, employment can be pro­ '" ho must produce some of the best wildlife vided in certain locations by national parks. photography that can be seen anywhere in Binna Burra has turned away from the the world. It is a tribute to the department employment of the sort of international that it has retained his services, and con­ carpet-baggers, the working-holiday type tinues to use his !'ervices so imaginatively people, to the employment of the locals. in the education process that is so vital for It now employs the sons and daughters of the future of that service in the State. the local farmers and the marginal dairy farmers and provides a total support within I now turn briefly to other areas of the the community. It buys locally and it employs Minister's portfolio.' One remembers past locally. It is an essential part of the local civilisations mainlv through their achieve­ resources for employment, and for the future. ments in public buildings and in works of art. One tends to concentrate on those Generally with regard to the administration types of achievements in other cour:tries of national parks, whilst the administrative when one is holidaying or wants recreatiOnal and te.chnical echelons should be centrally diversion. It is wonderful to see the steps trained in order to provide the continuity taken in this State in this area. The Queens­ that is required throughout the service, on land Cultural Centre will be a world-class a local basis the buiidings should be con­ development, better than anything else avail­ structed, the tracks and signposts should be able in Australia. The imagination of the maintained, and the place staffed and ser­ building as a concept is absolutely outstand­ viced by local people. There is no better ing, and the integrated functions that it way of showing the relevance of national will serve will bring Queensland to its golden parks than by the members of the local years of cultural attainment. community looking upon it as the place where they earn their income. Also, the Queensland has some great artists. It has service acquires the benefit of local eyes produced some great artists and will continue and ears. There is no better poHce service to do so. Our verv fine art collection than the local community. The locals know will be housed in the new State gallery. .who the strangers are, and can see the That collection is a tribute to Queenslanders people coming and going. They will take such as the late Sir Leon Trout, and now steps to protect their own liveEhoods. his widow, Lady Trout. They gave first­ rate Australian art works for the benefit Within the last three weeks, I have of future generations of this State. The stayed at the Girraween National Park. The report illustrates that presentations were existing camping area, which takes some made by Lady Trout, Mrs. Nancy Norman, 350 persons, had been booked out for the Dr. Norman Behan, Mr. Brian Sweeney, last five week-ends. It is not just at Easter Father Peter Bryce and Mr. James Wieneke, or Christmas that Girraween is booked out. together with Russell Cuppaidge. Those The camping area is full througho:.~t the people have made outstanding bequests to spring and summer months. There is the the art gallery in the last financial year. same story at Lamington and Carnarvon The development is for Queensland; the at peak times, and demand for these camping future is for Queensland. One must con­ areas is growing. gratulate the department, the gallery itself and those private citizens and organisations Already, national parks provide an essen­ tial recreational area for an increasing interested in laying the way open for the number of people throughout the State and, future. in particular, in South-east Queensland. The danger of over"use is clear. The need to Mr. BURNS (Lvtton) (4.57 p.m.): In speak­ spell some of the camping areas is obvious. ing to the Estimaies of the department today The concern of the service and of its officers I make a plea for increased assistance to for that necessity has been frequently women's sport. Sporting facilities for women expressed. We must take steps to provide in this State are a disgrace. When one additionDawn Fraser, As a person interested in the marching and now Tracey Wickham and the rest of girls' organisation, I make the point that those kids, all of us turned on our tele­ next year is the 25th anniversary of the vision sets to watch them perform. The foundation of that organisation in Queens­ events were replayed a dozen times, by the land. The first State secretary was Ray end of which we swam every stroke with Bousen, a former member of Queensland them, we had seen it so often. Yet, the Parliament. In fact, Doug Sherrington, week after Tracey Wickham came home a former member of Queensland Parlia­ to a ticker-tape welcome, when she returned ment, was one of the early instructors. The to her morning training she was charged 30 first section of the marching girls' organi­ cents to get in to the Valley pool. Our sation started at Brighton. The Queensland authorities charge her $200 a year! The championships will be held there next year. Canadians give the top 50 amateur sportsmen People such as Reg Gillingham and his wife and women in each field up to $1,500 a year who were involved in the commencement as a grant. It is given to them and it was of the organisation are still involved in it not opposed by the Olympic Federation. today. A proposal of the Brisbane Combined I can show honourable members cuttings Marching Girls asking for support for a from American papers where the lists of special 25th anniversary carnival was put to names appear. The lists of grants given the previous Minister. They were told they there are printed in the newspapers. I sug­ would get no assistance as no money was gest to the Minister that we give considera­ tion to financially assisting our &portsmen available. Last year less than $4,000 from and sportswomen. Soccer Pools was given to women's sport in the entire State. Surely we could set aside In swimming events, 99 times out of a miserable $5,000 for the 25th anniversary lOO we will be required to compete against of the marching girls' organisation. countries in the northern hemisphere in their summer, which is our winter. Brisbane With that amount we could invite people has one privately owned 25 m indoor heated from other States and turn on a successful pool. The Valley pool is not suitable for carnival. The association has a rule that mid-winter training. Of necessity, training provides that the Minister responsible for will be in our winter-even for the 1982 sport shall be the patron of the association. Brisbane Commonwealth Games. We need I am the patron of the Brisbane combined a number of indoor heated pools, notwith­ organisation. I know that on my side of standing our own beautiful summer weather, the Parliament we have the patrons of because 99 times out of 100 we will have Brighton, Calliope, Cannon Hill/Morningside, to compete in the northern hemisphere and Gladstone, Inala, Mayne, Rockhampton, have to train our people in the winter Wynnum/Manly, Zillmere and Pine Rivers. months. I am sure a large number of members on the other side are similarlv involved. I make In recent times Australian coaches have an appeal to the Minister to give special recommended overseas training camps. How consideration to the 25th anniversary next else could they have an all-expenses-paid year. $5,000 will neither make nor- break stay in an exotic holiday resort, as they Consolidated Revenue or wherever the did in Hawaii last year? They have a money \\ ould come from for the marching vested interest in seeing that such camps girls. I believe that it is in our interest continue. It appears to me that funds spent to do something to assist them if we on these overseas camps could be better possibly can. utilised in providing proper at-home winter training facilities in the capital city and I would like to talk about the Common­ in major country centres. Certainly, we wealth Games and the way in which we will have a top-grade pool at Chandler by train our competitors involved in games 1982; but Montreal had at least three loca­ events. I am reminded of the report by tions where the Olympic Games could have Mr. Sweetenham, the Q.A.S.A. director of been held. We need these facilities, not swimming coaching, after the games in necessarily on such a grand scale, in Canada. He said at that time that the hosts various locations to ensure ease of access. of the games emerged as the premier Let us not forget-and I was talking to country because they deliberately set out to the member for Rockhampton North about 1862 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates)

this only a moment ago-that the parents unused to handling funds of this nature, and have to drive their kids across the town usually they are incapable of planning every morning and every night. If the pool sufficiently far into the future for the expen­ is at Chandler, parents will not drive from diture to have any worthwhile effect. Ashgrove each morning and each night. Facilities are needed in various parts of It was disappointing to hear the reports the city. attributed to our politicians on their return from the Olympic Games. Newspaper reports There are some advantages in having indicated that they were critical of some training in the home environment. For of the kids concerned. Again, Mr. Leahy example, the father and mother know better was in Montreal, and he should have had than anyone else a young child's mental contact with similar officials of other coUil­ propensities and dietary needs. A young tries and should have reported to us on child needs proper parental supervision when what is happening with sport in those coun­ he is training to keep him under control. tries. He should have reported to the people We all remember the stories about what of Queensland, not just to Cabinet. The happened in Hawaii and other problems various associations-amateur swimming, we have when kids get away from home. amateur boxing, and all the other associa­ They get bored. They get sick and tired tions-could have reviewed the report and of swimming, too. Mum and dad, who live taken some notice of what he said or been with them and know them, understand their critical of it and a dialogue could have problems. Other advantages are proper and continued. less expensive medical facilities, continuation of education while thev are at home and It must be understood that success in savings in costs of accommodation and international competitions is the result of food. dedication. The kids are dedicated and train as hard as those from Russia, Canada, East Coaches will say that jet lag has to Germany or West Germany. Those people be overcome and the children have to be enjoy their sport as much as Australians do. acclimatised. That is not exactly so. People The difference is that they are given assist­ do not bring million-dollar race-horses up ance and our competitors are not. \Ve could here and say that the only food available beat each and everv one of those countries. is the food in Queensland. They bring a The kids are doing it today without assist­ load of food with them. There is no reason ance. If we gave them the necessary assist­ why diets cannot be supervised and arranged ance, there is no reason why Australia should in other countries. I can give the Com­ not be back on top of the swimming pedestal mittee instances of kids leaving Australia at the Olympic Games and the Common­ one week-end and swimming record times wealth Games. in Europe, where it was snowing, the next week-end. So the effect of jet lag on a As I said earlier, there has been talk about superbly fit young man or woman is minimal. money and financial assistance. Overseas Australia's overseas teams have been too countries give the money direct to the large and have included too many competi­ swimmer or sportsman. Harry Gallagher, tors without a bolter's chance. As a result, who was an Australian coach, in "A Report those with some hope of success have not on 'Olympic Land 1976' ", which appeared received the proper diet because of lack in "International Swimmer" of May 1976, of funds. Supervision has not been adequate referred to direct grants of up to $1,500 and accommodation has been overcrowded, per annum to Canadian swimmers. I have and funds have been wasted. copies of newspaper cuttings and cuttings from various journals stating the money they Ron Leahy was at the Olympic Games, receive. and he should have v.Titten a report to this Parliament. It is about time all public ser­ It is to be noted that under the heading vants and Ministers who go overseas report "Ot1awa names List of non-Olympians to to the Parliament. When I went to the receive grants", the "Montreal Gazette" department seeking a copy of Leahy's report, referred to a grant of $350,000 being made I was told that it was a report to Cabinet. available to 190 athletes "chosen by the We should know what he learnt at the National Selection CommiHee from several Olympic Games. It is not secret. Surely it thousand applications received by the is not the sort of material that should be Department of Fitness and Amateur Sport". made available only to Cabinet. It should Note the word "amateur"! Those amateur be available to anyone in the State, and it spor,tsmen and sportswomen were given should be available to all the organisations $1,500 each, not only to assist them to pay in the State that are training young men and their training costs but also to travel to women to represent this country at the other places, interst&te and elsewhere, to gain Olympic Games. interstate and international competition. That competition is very necessary. The East I am satisfied that most Ministers for German story is a similar one. Sport, both State and Federal, take a great deal of pride in handing out money but do I should like to see another major swim­ not seem to supervise the spending of it. ming complex built at what is now called They do not give a damn how it is spent. the Centenary Pool. A place at which a In the main, the allocations are handed over national carnival could be held is needed to well-meaning, amateur organisations on that side of the city. A heated pool Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1863 should be available on the northern side of funded by the Arts Council. That was done the city. The Centenary Pool is close to the formerly but the allocation was cut out, Exhibition Ground. Now that the south-side we were told, for more essential things. railway system is connected with the north­ I suppose it was more essential for the side system, a railway station could be built Prime Minister to have a V.I.P. jet than beside the pool on land that is available. for our kids and artists to develop their The existing pool could be used as a potential. With the funds we have, we warm-up pool. We could build a decent, must provide recording facilities for our song heated pool on that site for our young men writers and musicians and display the work and women involved in swimming. of our artists so that they may develop their potential. We must make workshops avail­ That is only one part of the Olympic able for all interested parties and cultivate and Commonwealth Games scene. As the talent and imagination in music and writing. honourable member for Mansfidd said, we have people involved in shooting, archery It might be in our own interests for the and other sports. The city council has been department to sponsor a segment each forced to cut baok on spending in some week on a couple of radio stations to allow areas because the Federal and State Govern­ local musicians, poets, scriptwriters, etc., to ments have not assisted properly. When we air their skills and problems. The work­ are running the Commonwealth Games, shops and the talk-back programmes would $1,000,000 or $2,000,000 should not stop us provide an area for dialogue. from providing the necessary facilities. At I object, and I believe the Minister should Murarrie, a grandstand with gymnasium also object, to the exclusive control and facilities underneath was supposed to be operation of the music industry--

I was a lad. When I take my daughter to support, they would like the moral s~pport the harness society meetings and various they receive merely from people turnmg up shows, I find that the young kids we take to watch. I compliment the people involved with us are stunned when they see some of on their enthusiasm and hard work. the beautiful old turnouts on display. They The honourable member for Isis mentioned should be maintained. orchestras. There are youth orchestras in We talk about maintaining buildings such many towns, and there is one in Gympie. It as the Bellevue and the lovely old homes operates under difficulties, but it is working, in Brisbane. A beautiful booklet has been mainly because of the enthusiasm of one produced by the National Trust about the person who is willing to fill the role of con­ stately homes of the city. I support that ductor. She is helped by a numb•cr of other action. But we should also record the people who do a great deal of work to ensure other parts that make up our history. that it continues to operate. These people go It is time that the department considered to the extent of using their own time to the establishment of a museum dealing with organise week-end camps in order to keep the Labor movement in this State. The the children interested and to show them first Labor Government in the world was another facet of this cultural activity. elected in Queensland. While the Minister A lot of work goes into the organisation might not support its policies, he should of activities of this nature. The whole week­ remember that tourists come from all over end of these people is tied up not only in the world to see the material, pamphlets and ensuring that all the instruments are taken other documentation dealing with that along but also in keeping the. young peopl.e period. interested in what they are domg. I compli­ ment these people very much on their effor~s. (Time expired.) I feel that a little more could be done m this area, particularly with the appointment Mr. STEPHAN (Gympie) (5.18 p.m.) I rise of more teachers of musical instruments. I to compliment the Minister on his elevation know that Gympie does not have one at the to this portfolio. I thank him for the help moment but moves are under way to over­ and assistance that he has given to me in come the problem. If we can get children the short time that I have been a member. enthusiastic and interested at an early age, In many cases he has helped me with the there is a good chance that they will carry on problems confronting people in my electorate. their enthusiasm and join the youth I join with them in compiimenting him on orchestra, because they will not have to the work that he and his department have start from scratch. done. There are a lot of sma1l groups and com­ Some parts o.f our history go unnoticed; mittees in country areas that run functions we take them for granted. One that we do of special interest to them. For. exampl~, ~f not appreciate very much is place names special interest at the moment m Gymp1~ IS and their history. Quite often I am almost the organisation of a picnic race meetmg. laughed at and looked at twice when I We would not have heard of this sort of say that I come from Goomboorian. Per­ activity in a country town 18 months or two haps it is this that has made me appreciate vears ago. A number of people interested in the value of our place names and their his­ horses have organised this picnic race meet­ tory. Other names that come to my mind ing. They are willing to do the work because are Tagigan and Wolvi. People should come they get a lot of fun out of it. A large to appreciate the history that attaches to number of local halls have been built only many of these names. We should endeavour because a handful of people have been pre­ to use local names rather than import them pared to take an interest in, and work for, from America, England, Europe or anywhere their own area. else. We are proud of our sporting achieve­ The encouragement given by the Minister ments and our educational achievements and to the construction of sporting fields in my we should be proud of the history attaching area is very much appreciated. Two bodies to some of our place names. in partrcular have worked very hard, and The Directorate of Cultural Activhies does by helping themselves they have attracted a lot more than just what we see in the Government support. This helps to overcome newspapers. It is tied up with amateur the hand-out syndrome that seems to be theatrical productions in cou!1Jtry areas. A encouraged at times. A number of people large number of enthusiastic people spend in the area have been prepared to take on hours, days and even weeks on research, the building of a 25-metre swimming pool, training and other work involved in staging with all the necessary showers, dressing sheds, these amateur productions. The satisfaction and so on. 'When we see these people build of not only the producer and the players but this facility in a couple of months, we realise also those who go along to watch an that they are interested in their area. They amateur produation is something that has to are also interested in the people who wili be seen to be believed. Perhaps those of us come to live there. Such facilities wiU help to in the smaller provincial cities appreciate make life so much more interesting and this sort of thing a lot more than do the enjoyable for themselves and for the people people in the metropolitan area. Although who will come to live in the area in the a lot of them are not asking for any financial future. Supply (22 NoVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1865

We will have a complex consisting not Although the coloured sands are not in only of a swimming-pool but also of tennis the national park, they are very close to courts, bowling greens and hockey fields. it. I do not suppose that I need tell any­ This complex is situated in an area where one here about the value and beauty of there are only hundreds, not thousands of this particular area. As many people as people. It will be used not only by the possible should be able to see these coloured people in the area but also by people who sands without destroying them. The main come there from surrounding areas. destroyers of some of these areas are not the wild animals that have roamed there I always used to think that we did not for many years, but the idiots who come need to encourage people to take part in along and try to show off to their mates sport. I suppose that we still do not need or to anybody else who happens to come to encourage people in the country areas along. We have to be reasonable and to take part in sport, but we need to encour­ realistic and try to keep these young fellows age them to reduce the financial losses that and young girls in a right and proper frame they incur in maintaining sporting facilities. of mind. When we consider the cost of building a Fraser Island is another area of concern. tennis court, we realise that many chook The main access is from Tin Can Bay and raffiles and dances have been held to raise Inskip Point to the southern part of the the money. When people receive some assist­ island. It is a beautiful island. At the ance, they know that somebody else cares present time, it is used mainly by people in for them, and they work so much harder. four-wheel-drive vehicles. If people want The subsidies that have been provided to to take their cars to the island and run the these people are appreciated. risk of having them rust out, that is their Of course, some organisations do not get business. If people do not want to run the quite as much assistance as they would like, risk of running their vehicles along the beach, but we know that, with their Australian they can leave them at home. There is a heritage, they carry on regardless. Although need for balanced thinking on national parks they might be disappointed for a short time, and a balanced use of them. No endeavour their disappointment does not last. I am should be made to have them closed. I am sure that they will put their heads down sure that that is not the thinking of the again and work so much harder for their department. particular project. Perhaps the story will The local people around Freshwater would be different next year, and they will not like to be able to gain access to that area be so disappointed. without a great deal of hardship. They want to enjoy walking and other activities in it. This afternoon much has been said about The National Parks and Wildlife Service has national parks. There are two national parks done a great deal to provide camping res­ in the near north coastal area that are erves and to keep them clean. I gain a great of vital importance. They are within driv­ deal of enjoyment when I see the areas kept ing distance of the large metropolitan areas in that way. of South-east Queensland. When people g0 to these parks, they are not disappointed with Anyone who lives in an area such as mine what they see. I speak mainly of the might perhaps take the work of the wildlife Cooloola National Park-- section for granted. Farmers, however, do not take wildlife for granted when great Mr. Davis: We had to fight like hell to droves of wood ducks strip a patch of beans get it. This Government did not want to in a matter of a week. Scare guns have been make it a national park. We got it because used to frighten them away, but when they of people like myself, Doug Sherrington and get the taste of an evening meal they are others. very difficult to discourage. Farmers have gone to great lengths to try to scare these ducks away, but still they return. While Mr. STEPHAN: That is the honourable crops with young green shoots are growing, member's opinion. The park is there, and nothing will keep the ducks away. we have to ensure that it is maintained The deer is another animal of interest. for the use of the people. There are still Deer-farming has been commenced in an area some problems with it. that was previously their natural habitat. It I go along with the statement that national is an enormously expensive enterprise, but parks are there and they should be utilised the interests of the deer have not been for­ by the people. The Freshwater area of gotten. Hunters would never be able to the Cooloola National Park is beautiful in completely wipe out the deer herds, and its own right, but it is not within walking grazing of deer will ensure that they will distance of the main highway. It is import­ live in healthier and better conditions and ant to consider constructing a reasonable that they will never become extinct. road in this area. I suppose that one of Areas of my electorate are often fre­ the few remaining rain forests along the quented by the wild hen. Many farmers enjoy coastal strip is in this area. It is important seeing the wild hen on their own properties. that it not be destroyed but retained so They do nothing to discourage them from that people can see it. coming. 1866 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979) (Estimates)

I am very pleased to see the growth of the was not suited for the art gallery, which was use of library facilities. Perhaps that has removed from the building when it was. occurred partly because school students are declared a fire risk. I do not know how the being taught and encouraged to use books. other side of the building has not been Perhaps they will be given enough interest and declared a fire risk, too. Nevertheless, the enthusiasm in books to induce them to turn staff of the building maintain an excellent the television set off and enjoy reading. This service to the community. I give credit to will not happen if they are not taught the them, and I believe that they are second to correct way to handle books and encouraged no museum staff in this nation. to keep them and use them. By giving The general public would be absolutely $6,500,000 to the Library Board in 1979-80, amazed at the number of exhibits that are the Government is putting its money where not displayed. There is not enough room its mouth is, as it were. Obviously the Gov­ in the building for everything available to ernment realises that this is vital to the be shown. The historical and technological future of our State. collection, which has been mounted over a In the past the film industry has come in number of years, is getting so large that I for some criticism. However, anything that very much doubt that it will be fully displayed can be done to utilise our natural assets when the museum is shif'ied to the new should be encouraged. Film production is cultural centre. I hope that the Minister will labour intensive, involving a large number of be able to tell us what is going to happen our popuJa,tion. I feel sure that the industry when the museum moves to the Queensland will take off in our State because of the Cultural Centre complex, because I do not ability of Queenslanders and their desire to think that, even with the additional space ensure that it is successful. available there, the exhibits will be displayed as they ought to be. In conclusion, I again thank the Minister and his staff for the work thev have done Even though the museum is in my elec­ and the enthusiasm with which they have torate, I think it would be only fair and gone about their work. I pass on the thanks just if one of the two aeroplanes flmvn by of my area for that. Bert Hinkler and now in the museum went to Bundaberg, which was the birthplace JYir. DAVIS (Brisbane Central) (5.36 p.m.): of that great aviator. Members representing It IS a pleasure to speak on these Estimates the Bundaberg electorate have made similar not so much because of the Minister but suggestions in the past, but they have not because of the Estimates. I could not let been acceded to. I believe that one of the this O!)portunity pass without reminding the aeroplanes is subject to a trust and cannot Committee about the Cooloola National be moved, but the Minister and the trustees Park. Three or four Country Party members could well consider my suggestion. paraded the beauties and glories of Cooloola. Although the exhibits at the museum are I am sure a number of my colleagues will to be better housed, I make it quite clear vividly remember that the Country and that the residents of the area do not wish Liberal Parties did nothing for a lon'' time to see another Bellevue-type confrontation until there was agitation by members "or the over the old Exhibition building. It is a Opposition and the Cooloola committee-- very historic building, dating back to the M:r. Akers: You mean the Government turn of the century, and it must be pre­ took notice of the Opposition? served. We do not want to see it given to the R.N.A. so it can knock it over; we Mr. Shaw: It was dragged in screaming. certainly do not want to see it given to Mr. DA VIS: As my friend from Wynnum greedy 5peculators so that they can make says, it was dragged in screaming. I did a fast dollar out of it. We want to see it not notice the member for Pine Rivers preserved. assisting the Cooloola committee. He always Mr. Neal: Where would you preserve it? pretends that he is a great conservationist. He was not a conservationist in 1971 or 1972. Mr. DAVIS: On the same site. Does the He only became a conservationist in 1979. honourable member think I would have it The Government cannot wriggle out of this. preserved in his electorate? ·we don't want People like Doug Sherrington, an esteemed it preserved out there. former member of this Parliament led the I turn now to the Films Board of Reviow. fight for the saving of Cooloola. 'I would I was pleased to hear the spokesman for like to see it placed on record that men the Opposition highlight some of the prob­ like Doug Sherrington and Dr. Harold led lems of the board. You were in this Cham­ the fight to retain such a wonderful area as ber, Mr. Gunn, when the Films Review Act part of a national park. Further areas was introduced, and I suggest to you that should be annexed to make it an even better if ever a farcical committee was set up in national park. this State it was the Films Board of Review. I take this opportunity to give credit to It was set up purely and simply to try the Queensland Museum. For years the to embarrass the Federal Labor Govern­ museum, which is in my electorate has ment in office in Canberra in 1974, and the worked in cramped quarters. It wouid be Queensland Government's only motive was fair to. say that it is in a building that is to make some political mileage out of the not smtable for the purpose. ft certainly liberalisation of censorship. To put the Supply (22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1867 record straight, I point out that the main Mr. DA VIS: When the legislation was liberalisation of censorship-the R certificate, introduced I remember that member after and so on-took place when the present member, and Minister after Minister said, leader of the Australian Democrats (Mr. "We must have the Films Board of Review." Chipp) was Minister for Customs and Excise. Every one of them had seen the "Last Tango The Premier and his cohorts set up the in Paris" at least four times for therapeutic board and provided an additional income reasons. They could be seen outside the for a member of the National Partv. As Paris Theatre time and time again. They the honourable member for Sandga-te said saw every R film, but I have not seen one. earlier today, Mr. Draydon has b;en given When this debate was on every one of them an additional $10,000 just to view films. lined up outside the Paris Theatre to see In my opm10n, the public and the "Last Tango in Paris". exhibitors should be told whv a certain film Mr. Prest: They reckon that Mr. Frawley has been banned, and I "should like to took a season ticket. know the criteria used in banning films. There have been rumours about the way Mr. DAVIS: That is right. It was said in which members of the board view films that sales of ice cream went up, and sales of and decide which ones should be banned. I butter went up very much. have heard-and I might as well tell honour­ Mr. Simpson: Would you lift censorship? able members-- Mr. DAVIS: I look at censorship from Mr. Austin: You are going to, anyway. this point of view: so long as no-one tries to push anything on to me or my family I Mr. DAVIS: WeH, the honourable mem­ believe it should be up to any adult~~f he ber has asked. I have been informed­ is an adult-to see and read what he wants perhaps the Minister can tell me whether to. this is correct-that the board uses a points test. It goes something like this: firstly, Mr. Simpson: Are you against censorship? if they view a film and hear heavy and Mr. DAVIS: Good heavens, we have uneven breathing, it scores five points. enough censorship in this State! Secondly, if they incur dizzy spells, that scores another five points. Thirdlv-and this Mr. Simpson: Dunstan found he could not i? the supreme test-if there is- licking of abolish it in South Australia. lips, the film scores another five points. Mr. DA VIS: My personal opinion is that Mr. Warburton: What about the ice anyone who is adult enough to see a show cream? can do so, as long as he does not push it down my throat or the throats of my family. Mr. DAVIS: Perhaps sucking of Ice If we must have this board of review, creams would also score five points. 1which I believe should be banned immedi­ If a film scores 15 points that means an ately, the report should include the ages of immediate ban; if it scores 10 points that members of the board. I have heard it said means the board wirll look at it again and if that a couple of old dodderers are on the 1t scores five points that means th~ board board. will debate v.hether it imposes a ban. Mrs. Kyburz: Surely it is their expertise Mr. Frawley interjected. that counts. Mr. DA VIS: No, it is not. In all serious­ Mr. DAVIS: The honourable member ness, a young person has a very different got in just before I referred to him, Draydon view of life from an elderly person. and the rest of the crew-I would like the honourable member to name the other mem­ Mr. Akers: Mr. Draydon is not very old. bers-who went to the pornographic show. Mr. DA VIS: So far as I am concerned Mr. Frawley: I saw it, and why shouldn't the board should be abolished. If the board I? is to continue it should have an infusion of young blood. At least a male or female Mr. DAVIS: That is right, and the hon­ under 25 years of age would give some ourable member has nothing to be proud of. credibility to the board by being able to The report should show how many meet­ view films in a different light from someone ings board members attended. As the hon­ raised in a completely different age. ourable member for Sandgate said, we are Mr. Akers: Are you saying that no-one led to believe that time and again the chair­ over 25 years of age would give it credibility? man makes a decision on his own. Mr. DAVIS: A person under 25 is-­ Mr. Frawley: You are only jealous. The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. Mr. DAVIS: I am not jealous. I have Gunn): Order! The honourable member will been dead set against the board from its address the Chair. inception. Mr. DAVIS: Wouldn't it be bright if the Mr. Frawley: You are in favour of porno­ honourable member for Pine Rivers was on graphic movies and all sorts of rot. the board? 868 Supply [22 NovEMBER 1979] (Estimates)

Mr. Akers: I don't want to be. The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN: Order! The honourable member will continue with Mr. DAVIS: And the honourable member his speech. for Cooroora. They would outlaw, "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" because Snow Mr. DAVIS: Government members are White was living with seven men, and they always talking about how great its would outlaw "Cinderella" because she was sporting policy is. Over the years, living with a rat. all that the Government had done was l\Ir. Simpson interjected. provide money. It should be doing what was recommended in the Bloomfield report 1\ir. DAVIS: I do not see why the people on the Role and Scope of Development over there should be the judge and jury of Recreation in Australia in 1974. of people's morals, either. He said that each capital city should have Mr. Simpson: It is a responsibility that a Tartan track. How many years did it take to get one? It was only because of my a good Government accepts. efforts and those of other people, using our Mr. DAVIS: It was the same with the influence with the Brisbane City Council, old friends of the Government members, that an all-weather track was provided. How Adolf Hitler and Goebbels. They applied many all-weather tracks has this Govern­ censorship. They did not allow anybody ment provided? How much assistance, other to read anything that they did not read. than financial assistance, has the Govern­ This is only the beginning of censorship. ment given sport? The next step is political censorship. Govern­ The Department of Sport should have a ment members say that they did not like section conducting research into sport. We Adolf Hitler, but on his birthday half of should hold the Queensland Games involv­ them light a candle and wear a black arm­ ing all sports, and then we should hold the band. Australian Games. Mr. Scassola interjected. Mr. Booth interjected. Mr. DAVIS: I am not talking to the hon­ ourable member for Mt. Gravatt. He is out. Mr. DAVIS: If they were held in War­ I have told him that I will not accept any wick, the sporting facilities there would interjections from him because he will not improve 100 per cent. acc~pt any from anybody else. I have put As I was saying, we should have the a black ban on him. Queensland Games, followed by the Mrs. Kyburz interjected. Australian Games. Then we could go on to the Commonwealth Games. I get sick and Mr. DAVIS: The board should be banned, tired of people complaining about the poor to be truthful. The honourable member for performance of our athletes at the Olympic Mt. Gravatt is out. "Pin-ball" is out. He Games. It happens every time. But what is finished. I am now finished with the can we expect when we look at the money Films Board of Review. I have had enough and amenities provided by the Government? of it. It should be thrown out. In England-fancy talking about old mother England-there is a gymnasium in every Mr. Austin: We have had enough of you. school. Why don't you sit down? Mr. DAVIS: The honourable member Mrs. Kyburz: They have a gymnasium should get back to tyres. because of the weather. I shall now deal with sport and recreation, Mr. DAVIS: That is right. Why don't we which is something that the honourable mem­ have them here? The British Government ber for Caboolture and I agree on for once. provides such amenities in all schools. Many months ago we discussed sporting faci­ Another matter that I have raised time lities in this State. and time again is the opening of school Mr. Scassola interjected. facilities to the general public. Mr. DAVIS: Mr. Gunn, I will have to Mr. Simpson: Aren't they open in your ask you to give that fellow a bit of Standing electorate? Order 123A. Mr. DAVIS: Are they open in your The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN: Order! electorate? I suggest that the honourable member ignore interjections if he does not wish to take Mr. Simpson: Of course they are. them. Mr. DAVIS: There! As I said earlier in Mr. DAVIS: It is very hard to ignore the day, there is a difference between "Tomtit" all the time. what happens in the electorates of country members and those of metropolitan mem­ Mrs. J{yburz interjected. bers. The school facilities in my electorate Mr. DAVIS: I refuse to talk to that other cannot be used for community activities. person, too. (Time expired.) Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1869

Mr. WARNER (Toowoomba South) (5.58 any help would be forthcoming. This view p.m.): In rising to speak to these Estimates, certainly was passed on to many other people I would firstly like to congratulate the I met in the different States. Minister on his appointment and, secondly, on his approach to the portfolio since his I am informed by the Minister that the appointment. There is no doubt that first two feature films with Q.F. C. funding Queensland can look forward to continued are under way, or will be under 'Vay shortly. progress in the areas of culture, national "Final Cut" is a murder thri'ler, and is parks and recreation. As the Minister said, expected to be finished in a few weeks. I the quality of life for us all in the future took the trouble of going to Surfers Paradise is bound up in the decisions which will be last week-end and saw two days of the film­ made within his portfolio. ing on the Gold Coast. All I can say is that the people involved in making this film are For some considerable time I have been really trying to make a Queensland film interested in the operations of the Queens­ work within the budget that has been given land Film Corporation, which was established to them. in 1977 to develop a Queensland film industry, and I cannot pretend that I am The film attracted $192,000 from the excited by its achievements. In fact, I am Q.F.C. and, if all goes well, it will break all more than disappointed in the corpora­ records for the time taken to make it and tion's involvement with such matters as the for low cost. Mr. Williams, who is the pro­ proposed industry training scheme and the ducer and also a member of the Q.F.C., is to upgrading of production equipment. There be commended, as is his Queensland crew, also seems to be no headway being made which includes my son Philip, who is an art in the provision of facilities for both interior director on that film. Every member of the shooting and post-production work. Of crew has worked an average of 14 hours a course, if we are to believe that this is day and has given up many hours of his being formulated, then all we can hope time so that the film will be produced on for is that someone gets on with the job, time. That has gone on week in and week because, apart from anything else, there out. I emphasise the point that "Made in is little or no information available not only Queensland" could be written all over that to me as a member but to rank-and-file film. members of the community. It was a bitter pill to swallow to learn that I have spoken to many young men who the second feature film, which is called have gone into the corporation's office seek­ "Friday the 13th", was to be produced not ing information and not been able to obtain by a Queensland producer, but by a New it. If they did obtain any information, it South Wales company. It is also reported was inadequate. They want to obtain down­ that the crew will be drawn from New South to-earth information, but apparently they Wales. It is to be hoped that some of the are not getting it. I am told that this filming will take place in Queensland, as is situation is currently under review. That stated in the report, especially as it has phrase has been used before, but unfor­ attracted, I am told--I have not been able tunately it means nothing. It is always to confirm it-a subsidy of $300,000. on the lips of those who have not done anything. Action is what is needed, and Mr. I. J. GIBBS: I rise to a point of order. as far as I am concerned surely two years The Q.F.C. does not pay subsidies. It makes is long enough to frame and co-ordinate investments. the corporation's varied activities. Few, if any, projects were considered worthy of financial assistance in 1977-78, and yet I Mr. WARNER: Well, it has invested the was a party to a submission, along with sum of $300,000. Is that the correct amount? the honourable member for Flinders, asking If this film is not to be made wholly in the Government for financial assistance for Queensland, where will it be filmed? As I the film "The Irishman". It is now history said before, if it is not to be made in that the Government would not assist and Queensland, it should be. What gets me is finance was obtained elsewhere. Although that the Queensland crew on "Final Cut" will the corporation was not properly formed at be out of work by Christmas. If what I am that time, the Government's negative attitude told is true, the other work will have gone certainly did nothing to help. to New South Wales personnel in the making of the film "Friday the 13th". Nothing could [Sitting suspended from 6 to 7.15 p.m.] be more upsetting to the Queensland per­ sonnel, especially when it is a stated obligation Mr. WARNER: As I was saying before of the corporation to provide, first and fore­ the recess for dinner, that negative attitude most, continuity of employment for Queens­ at the time when an application for assistance land actors, technicians and ancillary staff. was made to the Government for a film did As I have said, I am disappointed that this nothing to give producers, such as Mr. Buck­ has happened. We should promote Queens­ ley, who is presently a member of the cor­ land companies and attract the best script­ poration and whose major feature films writers, technicians and actors who reside in included "Caddie", "The Irishman" and Queensland by giving them the highest "The Night of the Prowler", a feeling that priority when making films. 1870 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979) (Estimates)

The Minister stated that three television no apparent resentment. The revenue thus series are now in the negotiating stage, and obtained has helped to keep the parks in very that they are all to be made in Queensland. good condition. One can go into them at I am sure he would agree that, wherever any time and see some very worthwhile possible, Queenslanders should be used in things. Sealed roads, parking bays and their production. As he stated, there is a cooking areas are some of the facilities pro­ pool of very experienced people available vided. In some parks even firewood is pro­ for productions, so let us use them. vided so that visitors will not chop down I now turn to that section of the Minis­ trees and interfere with the park itself. ter's portfolio that relates to sport. I was Because of their vastness some of our parks amazed to hear the member for Sandgate could not possibly be properly policed. How­ criticise this area of the Estimates, as I ever, some of them could return some believe that tremendous advances have been revenue and I believe that, wherever pos­ made bv the Government in assistance to sible, that should be Government policy. clubs across the whole spectrum of sporting By this time I had hoped to see a national activity. That church authorities could be park bordering Toowoomba. I agree with upset because the money comes partly from the Premier that all cities and towns shO'uld Soccer Pools is hard to believe. In fact, I have a large adjoining area where people do not believe that any church has made can enjoy the bush. At present one has to representations on this point. If any such go many miles away from Toowoomba and point has been raised, it certainly has not get off the beaten track to get into the been brought to my aHention or to the 'bush. Very often a person finds that his attention of other members of this Chamber favourite spot has been fenced off. It is prob­ with whom I have spoken. Many of the ably private property, and previous visitors denominations of church schools mentioned had destroyed something on that property. by the member for Sandgate are in my elec­ Every week-end hundreds of Toowoomba torate. None of them has expressed anything people drive their cars beyond the end of but praise for the assistance given. the bitumen to try to find a place to boil Allocations for student co-aching pro­ the billy. Unless the Government provides grammes have not onlv increased but are entry into national parks--and I mean proper now reaching many more organisations than entry-people will trespass on private they did previously. The allocation of funds property. One only has to live in the West to to junior coaching in gymnastics has nearly know what is gojng on out there. Many trebled, which has enabled that sport to people travel into country areas believing be taught to three times as many juniors, that they have an unrestricted right to fish with spectacular results. In this regard I and shoot. However, in many cases they do can speak only for Toowoomba. That city not have that riuht because the land thev produced the Australian champion, Max are on is priYate- property, even though !t Stirling, who is now overseas in Texas repre­ is not fenced off. senting Australia, and many other cham­ pions in the making are being coached every It is all very well to say that national day. All these achievements are a direct parks should not be disturbed and that only result of the Government's dollar-for-dollar hikers should be allowed. That has been said subsidy for junior coaching. The junior from time to time. However, the population coaching programme is proceeding along the is not made up of bushwalkers only. There­ lines intended by the Government, and is fore, as I have said, access should be pro­ certainly lifting Queensland's sporting vided into parks so that older people can enjoy them as well. I hope that the Minister standards and developing our youth in the will provide such an outlet for the population proper manner in every sport, and the pro­ of Toowoomba in the not too distant future. gramme is to be commended. There are some beautiful areas bordering the Another significant development that has city that could be developed for that purpose. taken place is the formation of the National Parks and Wildlife Service. The area of the Once again, I commend the Minister and State's national parks has more than doubled, his director for the tremendous work being and more will be added in the weeks ahead. done all over Queensland. I commend the National parks now represent 2 per cent of Estimates to the Committee and the Minister the total area of the State. In anyone's on his work so far. language, that is an enormous area. The Labor Party states that the coverage should Mr. LANE (Merthyr) (7.26 p.m.): I shall be more like 5 per cent, but with the money make a brief contribution to the debate on available that is nearly impossible. the Estimates of the Minister for Culture, National Parks and Recreation. In the future the increased operating expenses of maintaining such a large Opposition Members interjected. area of national parks will necessitate the levying of entry charges so that the parks Mr. LANE: I will not be interrupted by can pay their way. That is done in the bad manners of honourable memberg New South Wales and Victoria, especi- opposite, who do not seem to know how to ally where facilities are provided. The behave themselves in this Parliament and public who visit those areas have shown continually heckle across the Chamber with Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1871 inane remarks that are pointless and quite J wouJd hope that such an officer would disgusting. They should conduct themselves extend the information that he gave beyond with some decorum. the laws and responsibilities directly within the Minister's portfolio arrd deal with other J n this brief contribution I would like to matters relevant to the task being per­ put forward two positive suggestions for the formed. I have in mind the Animals Pro­ Minister's consideration. If they were imple­ tection Act. He could lecture children on mented, I believe that they would be of bene­ their responsibility to animals. As a life fit to his department and the community member of the Royal Society for the Pre­ in general. The first proposal is that a vention of Cruelty, I have for many years wildlife ranger be assigned to various regions been interested in raising children to respect or districts throughout the State to lecture animals and not be cruel to them. If one can schoolchildren on the conservation of our instil a love of anima,ls in young children, national heritage. I do not suggest that we it has a direct relationship with the way in could enlist Harry Butler in any squad of which they treat their fellow man, or perhaps school lecturers, but we should look for even their own children, in later life. Usually someone of that type who could travel to people who are cruel to animals are also cruel our primary schools, particularly those in the to human beings. A responsible Government inner city and the more densely populated must do aH it can to encourage children­ residential areas and the disadvantaged in fact, a11 citizens-to put aside cruelty to >chools, to lecture children on matters per­ animals, and this would be one step along taining to national parks, flora and fauna. that road. The Minister might take up that These officers could be suitably dressed in suggestion for what it is worth. I think that uniforms, identifying themselves as wildlife what I have suggested would be beneficial to rangers associated with the department. They the community and would assist in preserving would instil in our young children a sense our heritage for the future. of pride in our national parks. The second suggestion t' • I put forward Many young people are disadvantaged­ for the Minister's consideration is that he the children of lone parents and those dis­ offer the services of the two officers of the advantaged economically. They do not have Fauna Squad who are seconded to his depart­ the opportunity of going out in the country ment to act as liaison officers between the or going away camping in the bush, as the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty more affluent families do. A talk by a wild­ and the Police Department in relation to the life ranger would be a real lift to them and enforcement of the Animals Protection Act. imtil the sense of pride that I have spoken Several years ago, Sir William Knox, when about. There are also those children who he was Deputy Premier, gave a very firm perhaps are neglected because their families, and clear undertakirrg that the Government although able to do it financially, do not would appoint a squad of police, or assign a take their children out into our national group of police officers, to liaise with the parks. We should be trying to help those Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty children, too. so that there would be a reference point to which the society, which caHies out most of The rangers could lecture children in the enforcement under the Act, could go to schools for the handicapped throughout obtain the assistance of experienced police­ Queensland. I have in mind the pre-school men when it had the job of carrying out and the primary school at the Spastic Centre investigations under difficult or threatening at New Farm, where the children are too circumstances-:for example, where people badly handicapped to be taken out into a were using live bait for greyhounds. A police rur:ged environment. If national parks ran­ officer, someone who had the power and uers visited schools such as those, they could authority of the law to make arrests if take some specimens of flora and perhaps necessary, could then go with the staff of the small animals and reptiles to show the society and protect them against direct children in the class-room. That would create physical harassment. a lot of interest for those children. The ranger's visit could include a lecture on con­ Mrs. Kyburz: Why can't an ordinary servation, as well as an explanation of the policeman do that? laws contained in the National Parks and Wildlife Act, the Fauna Conservation Act Mr. LANE: I thank the honourable mem­ and all the by-laws and regulations the pur­ ber for her question. Perhaps I did not make pose of which is to protect our parks. the position clear. The honourable member The rangers who made up the elite lectur­ for Salisbury is also a life member of the ing squad could be given popular names so Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty. that they would become well-known per­ I know her interest in stamping out cruelty sonalities-not Smokey the Bear; perhaps to animals and I am very happy to acknow­ Ranger Bob, or something like that. A ledge it in this debate. Ranger Bob or a Ranger Tom could appear In police forces, what is everybody's busi­ in advertising on television or in television ness is no-one's business. If a particular interviews, or even in a segment at a popular officer or group of officers is not assigned viewing time for children, identifying the a specific res;ponsibility, the job is done work of the service and interesting the by no-one. All police officers have a responsi­ children in that subject. bility under the Animals Prot~ction Act, 1872 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates)

but they all tend to be busy doing some­ A.L.P. member has been asked to do; most thing else that is more important. It is of them could not even run across the impossible to get an officer to drop an road. When I was 26 years of age, and investigation that he thinks is important in married with three children, I had to pay order to help enforce the Animals Protection my own way to Tasmania. Although I was Act, which he believes is a task for volun­ working at Parliament House, not one Labor teers or the small staff of the Royal Society member kicked in towards my trip to Tas­ for the Prevention of Cruelty. The society mania. Labor gave no encouragement at can never get the right man at the right all to sport. time to help it. At the same time, no centre In 1953, when I was picked to go to of expertise on the legislation exists within ,Perth, I could not afford to do so. In the Police Force because it has never been 1954, when I was picked to go to Sydney, anyone's specific task. It has been every­ I could not pay the fare. If I remember one's business, therefore no-one's business. correctly, the economy air fare was £18. Members of the Stock Squad have become A mate of mine said, "I have two good specialists in enforcing provisions of the horses." As a rule, I do not bet on horses, Criminal Code relative to the stealing or but I put £1 on a horse called Birdwood, unlawful killing of stock. They are also all up Fort William, and won £41. I used very familiar with the provisions of the the money to pay my way to Sydney. In Brand Act, the Stock Act and the Slaughter­ Labor's day, an amateur sportsman had to ing Act and regulations. Those matters put a quid on a couple of horses to pay come within their general area of responsi­ for a trip to Sydney. That was typical of bi.Jity. However, no-one has specialised in the encouragement A.L.P. gave to sport. the Animals Protection Act. As I said, it encouraged only s.p. betting and I suggest that the Government give the two-up. responsibility to the Police Fauna Squad offi.cers seconded to the department so that Mr. Prest: You are talking about the Dark they may act as direct liaison officers with Ages. the R.Q.S.P.C. In doing so, the Government will only be fuifilling a promise made by Mr. FRAWLEY: The A.L.P. was in gov­ Sir William Knox several years ago. ernment in this State in 1957 and it did nothing. This Government encourages sport. I put forward those two positive sugges­ It subsidises athletics, hockey and every other tions in the hope that the Minister will sport. At one time I could not send one implement them. He can do so at very of my sons to Adelaide to take part in little eJCpense, but with great public benefit. the Australian javelin championships, which I ask him to take the suggestions aboard in he could have won because the people he had the spirit in which they are made. beaten in Queensland went down and won. I did not have the money to send him because Mr. FRAWLEY (Caboolture) (7.37 p.m.): of the lousy, rotten Government in those It gives me great pleasure to congratulate days. And Opposition members have the the Minister on the fine job he has done temerity to criticise the assistance that this since assuming his portfolio. I thank Mr. Government gives to sport! I know what I am Ron Leahy, the Director of Sport, for the talking about. assistance he has given to me whenever I have spoken to him. He, with other mem­ Mr. Kruger: You ought to be polite and bers of the Minister's staff, has been very try to get a Tartan track up there. helpful. I thank Mr. Maher and other members of the department, all of whom Mr. FRAWLEY: The honourable member have been very helpful when I have been had nothing to do with the Tartan track. in touch with the department to get some information. Mr. Kruger: I did not say I did. Mr. Mackenroth: Are you the gentleman who said that members of Parliament would Mr. FRAWLEY: It was the best thing have to brush up on their speeches when Clem Jones did. The second best thing he they were on T.V.? did was resign. Mr. FRAWLEY: The honourable member Look at the encouragement that has been should not have said that. given to sport in Cabo:olture. The Caboolture Sports Centre has built eight tennis courts, 'I have heard many Opposition members a cycling velodrome, a rugby league field, a criticise the Minister's administra,tion, par­ soccer field, an athletics track, a hall where ticular,ly as it relates to sport. When the sports are played and a bowling club. All A.L.P. was in Government, it did nothing of that has been helped by this Go,vernment. for sport other than to encourage two-up The Deception Bay Centre built a big sports and s.p. betting, because it got a kick-back ground and it was assisted by this Govern­ from both. ment. When I was maintenance electrician in Parliament House in 1951, I was picked Mr. Mackenroth: You have given encour­ to represent Queensland in the javelin throw agement to sport in your electorate, haven't and the long jump. That is more than any you? Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1873

Mr. FRAWLEY: That is right. I still com­ Mr. FRAWLEY: He could not beat time pete in sport. Not many people my age can with a drumstick. still hold their own in a Queensland javelin­ The honourable member for Brisbane Cen­ throwing championship. I can make the final tral has never seen a pony club. Caboolture eight every year, which is more than Opposi­ has a fine pony club, of which I am patron. tion members can do. I know more about I go to the pony club; I am not a paper sport than all of them put together. Cabool­ patron. I go there and ride a horse. Wood­ ture has one of the finest Rubgv League ford has a pony club. teams on the Sunshine Coast. It made the grand final and was defeated by another team Mr. R. J. Gibbs: Did you point at me in my electorate, Stanley Rivers, which is when you said you could ride a horse? based at Woodford. Mr. FRAWLEY: No. I pointed at the Mr. Milliner: Whom did you barrack for? clown in front of the honourable member. Mr. FRAWLEY: I barracked for the three My electorate has many pony clubs which teams. I barracked for Caloundra, in my have been helped by this Government. They electorate; Caboolture, of which I am patron; are doing a great job in helping young and Stanley Rivers. I barracked for Redcliffe people. Many people say that there is nothing in the Brisbane Rugby League competition, for young people to do. That is a lot of rot. Fire Brigade in the Public Service competition Young people have stacks of things to do if because my son plays five-eighth, land they are prepared to play sport. Ambassador Hotel in \Varehouse league, or Mr. Mackenroth: You \\ould look silly on whatever it is, because my nephew plays for a Shetland pony. it. I take an interest in all sports. Mr. R . .J. Gibbs: And the mid-West in Mr. FRAWLEY: I probably would. The the Foley Shield competition. honourable member would look stupid on anything, even a rocking-horse. Mr. FRAWLEY: I do not give two hoots I am sorry for all the tomtits on the about the Foley Shield. That is a North Opposition side. As far as I am concerned, Queensland competition. I look after what there is plenty of sport available for young goes on in my electorate. I am not going people if they are prepared to get out and to be diverted. I am going to tell the Com­ play it. Because it is too hard to train, a mittee about some of the fine things that go lot of young people do not want to play any on in my electorate and the encouragement sport. There are sporting fields in every area. that is given to sport there, mostly through Take Redcliffe as an example. I know that this Government. the honourable member for Redoliffe will not mind my mentioning it, although I do Mr. R. .J. Gibbs: Why is it that it all not believe in encroaching on the territory happens in your electorate? of another member. But I lived in Redcliffe for 21 yea,rs. It was part of my electorate when I represented the seat of Murrumba, Mr. FRAWLEY: Because I am a good before it was split in two. I have been representative. patron of the Redcliffe Hockey Club. In Mr. R. J. Gihbs: Why not in my electorate? fact, I still play on the wing for the old boys' I ask the Government for things in my club. electorate but it won't give them to me. Mr. Kruger: You wouldn't be able to play on the young team. Mr. FRAWLEY: Because of the honour­ Mr. FRAWLEY: That is right. I am not able member's weak representation. stupid enough to try to play with them. But The Caloundra Rugby League Club at I am 55 years of age and I still play fnr the Golden Beach caters for young people and over-30 team. That is a damned sight more seniors. At the present time, it is having than the honourable member could do; he great difficulty in getting a lease of land. could not even be the ball,boy. I have been in touch with the Minister for I now want to deal with the Films Board Lands, Forestry and Water Resources to try of Review. I entered this debate only to to get something done for it. Soccer is refute the criticism made of the board by another big sport in my electorate. St. the honourable member for Brisbane Central. Michael's Soccer Club in Caboolture caters He said a lot of stupid things about the for many young people and seniors. The board. Glasshouse Mountains Sports Club caters for young people, mostly in soccer, and again Mr. Mackenroth: Tell us about the night it has been subsidised by this Government. you went and had a look at that movie you Sport has been encouraged. Woodford, had arranged with the Films Board of Caboolture and Beerwah have golf clubs. Review. Bribie Island has two, and each has had subsidy from this Government. Mr. FRAWLEY: I will tell the honour­ able member in a second. He should stop Mr. Katter: Is the honourable member panting. As honourable members know, I for Murrumba playing sport up your way? am a member of the Minister's committee. 1874 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates)

When the Honourable Thomas Newbery was The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. the Minister for Culture, National Parks and Kaus): Order! The honourable member will Wildlife Servtice, we heard a lot of criticism address the Chair. about the Films Board of Review. A lot of it came from the honourable member for Mr. FRAWLEY: I am sorry, Mr. Kaus, Sandgate. He criticised Mr. Draydon and but Opposition members try to put me off the board. But I say that every member of every time I make a speech. that boa.rd desei'ves the O.B.E. after sitting As I was saying, I went to see these fi·lms and watching those rotten pictures. I do not as a member of bhe Minister's committee. I go to blue movies. Years ago when I took cannot give members the names, but I will my children to the movies, I went to the give them a description if they really want Tivoli Roofgarden. A lot of members might one. But getting back to this film "Midnight remember that. One could take one's Cowboy", it just shows how one can be children there every Saturday afternoon with­ misled by a title. I make no secret of it, I out having previously known what was on like to see western pictures. I am a western the prog.ramme. One knew that there would fan, but I saw this pioture-- be two decent pictures on. There would be a cowboy film and something else for young Mr. Davis: Why did you sit through it people. twice? Mr. Katter: John Wayne. Mr. FRAWLEY: I will not even answer that interjection. As I said, this picture was Mr. FRAWLEY: That's right, John about a bloke who hired himself out as a Wayne, Tom Mix or Buck Jones. All of super-stud and got mixed up with a group those pictures where the goodies rode white of homosexuals. It is shocking that such a horses and wore white ha:ts and the baddies picture could have that title. Here was I, rode black horses and wore black hats. an innocent person who went to see that film Things were simple in those days. thinking that it was a western. That shows Mr. Gunn: Tonto. how one can fall in. I could have taken my children to see that. Opposition members Mr. FRAWLEY: Yes, Tonto and the Lone criticise me for going to these films, but Ranger. I am not ashamed to say that I they wi11 not let me tell them about the films. was a fan of the Lone Ranger. What is Mr. R. J. Gibbs: What did you really wrong with that? It is better than going to think "Midnight Cowboy" was? some of the sex films that Opposition mem­ bers want to go and see. I felt it was my Mr. FRAWLEY: I thought he was a cow­ duty as a member to go and see-- boy who rode night herds. Mr. Milliner: You're a dirty old man! Mrs. Kyburz: What? Mr. FRAWLEY: Hang on. I might be Mr. FRAWLEY: The member for Salis­ old, but I'm not di.rty and I am not broken bury knows nothing about the West. If some down either. As a member of the Minister's of the members from B11isbane electorates go committee, I felt it was my duty to go and into the country areas, they get lost. For see if the Films Board of Review was carry­ about the sixth time, I will try to tell ing out its duties correctly. I have nothing honourable members about this film night but praise for every member of that board, that I attended. Miss Patience Thoms, Des Draydon and everybody else. They deserve commendation The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN: Yes. for having watched some of these rotten, please return to the subject. smutty films. Some of the film exhibitors in Brisbane would sell their own daughters into Mr. FRAWLEY: I felt it was right that white slavery. All they want to do is exhibit the members of the administrative committee these smutty films, and we have to have that should go and see the film. board to stop them. I know that the honour­ able member for Brisbane Central is cranky Mr. Davis: Who were they? because he did not get an invitation. He Mr. FRAWLEY: I am not going to tell saw that "Last Tango" film three times. I the honourable member. I admit I was there. once went to see a picture called "Midnight Does the honourable member think I am a Cowboy". I thought it was a western and dabber? I am not going to put anybody else it turned out to be a picture about some in. The honourable member only wants to bloke who came in from the West and hired criticise them. I went to see these films. himself out as a super-stud. I sat there with members of the Films Mrs. Kyburz: Don't tell us the gory details. Board of Review. I was absolutely disgusted at some of the films that reputable people Mr. FRAWLEY: If the honourable mem­ were trying to show. One picture was taken ber does not want to hear these things, she off at a theatre at South Bdsbane. I will should not be a member of Parliament. She not mention its name because, if I do, all has taken her place here as a member, and if the members of the Opposition will be it embarrasses her, that is her tough luck. queuing up at that theatre. This part·icular In fact, she would not even go to that film bloke often sneaks in these films and shows night. them. We saw a few films. One had been Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1875 confiscated bv the C.I.B. It was made in a The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN: Order! back room somewhere in Brisbane. There There is no point of order. was a pair of lesbians cavorting around on .a camp stretcher. Mr. DAVIS: I rise to a point of order . This morning, Mr. Speaker ruled in favour Mr. Gunn: It was made at Trades Hall. of the point of order taken on behalf of a party. Mr. FRAWLEY: It could have been made .at Trades Hall. The surroundings did look Mr. I. J. Gibbs: No, he didn't. familiar. Mr. DAVIS: He did. What would the Mr. Warburton: Do you think these films Minister know? you are talking about should be banned before they are distributed in Queensland? The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN: Order! I am not concerned about what ruling was Mr. FRAWLEY: I do not think that these made this morning. I was not present in the films should be allowed into Australia. Chamber then. There is no point of order Mr. Warburton: Why is it that some of the now. films that are being banned have been shown Mr. Mackenroth: Come on, withdraw it. .around Queensland for three years? Answer that. Mr. FRAWLEY: It is a shocking thing to have to withdraw the truth, but I shall do Mr. FRAWLEY: Yes, I will answer that. so in order that I can continue with my As I have said before, some of these speech. exhibitors will do anything to make a dollar. They don't care what they do. They sneak The A.L.P. does not want the Films them in under the nose of the Films Board Board of Review, because it wants an open of Review. The board cannot see every go. It is a well-known fact that the way to film. destroy a country is to attack its morals. The A.L.P. wants a free go. That goes back Mrs. Kyburz: What about films that foot­ to the days of Gough Whitlam. He wanted ball clubs show? They are just as bad. an open go with everything. The A.L.P. panders to all the way-out groups. The only Mr. FRAWLEY: I have never been to cultural groups it panders to a.re those one, so I would not know. The Caboolture crowds who camp at the universities-the Football Club, of which I am the patron, homosexuals and the lesbians. has never shown a blue movie in the 28 years that I have represented that area. The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. Mr. Davis: How do you find those video Kaus): Order! Would the member for cassettes you have? Caboolture get back to the Estimates? Mr. FRA WLEY: I have not got one video Mrs. Kyburz: What is Mr. Draydon's cassette. I am not going to be distracted expertise? any more. I am extolling the virtues of the Mr. FRAWLEY: His expertise is that he Films Board of Review. I know that the is a man with common sense. The board A.L.P. would like to see that board vanish. of review should be composed of people who Mr. Davis: Of cour.se we would. are not academics and eggheads. We do not want on that board people who can Mr. FRAWLEY: Of course they would. put a whole string of degrees after their The Opposition says that it believes in free­ names. dom of choice. It is a known thing that in Mr. Bishop: How did Draydon get on their policy, Opposition members advocate there? the dccriminalisation of marijuana. Mr. FRAWLEY: Mr. Draydon is a man Mr. R. J. GIBBS: I rise to a point of with a lot of common sense, just as the other order. It is completely untrue to say that the members of the board have a lot of com­ A.L.P. has within its policy anything that mon sense. Mr. Draydon is doing a fine refers to the decriminalisation of mariiuana. job on the Films Board of Review. In fact, I find that remark extremely offensive: as I all the members of that board do a fine found it offensive this morning when I took job. They should all be given a medal for the same point of order and the Premier the work they have done. was asked to withdraw the remark. I find the honourable member's remark offensive, So many attempts are made to show and I ask that it be withdrawn. pornographic films in New South Wales that that State needs five of these boards and The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN: Order! they are constant,ly reviewing films of this The honourable member cannot take a point type. The Queensland board is overworked. of order on beha:lf of a party. It has to be Its m~mbers should be rotated and given a taken on behalf of himself. bit of freedom. They spend day after day and night after night working in what Mr. R. J. GIBBS: Well, he has made a should be their free time. Honourable reflection. He has made the false claim that members should not forget that Mr. Draydon it is in our party policy. is a barrister and he has to spend a lot of 1876 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates)

his free time watching these pornographic reviewing. He implied that the members films. He deserves $10,000 a year to watch who went there were a group of dirty old those pornographic films. I would not do men who wanted a good night out. it for all the money in the world. A lot of comments have been made to An Opposition Member: You went do,wn the effect that that is the very reason that there once. Mr. Draydon enjoys his work so much. His comments were certainly designed to dis­ Mr. FRAWLEY: I went on only one 'courage anybody from going along to see night to see how bad the films were. I just what was being banned or passed by am pleased I did. that board. Far from that, I th1nk that anyone who was invited and did not go Mr. Milliner: You have been begging to should be criticised for not supervising what go back. is going on in the Films Board of Review. Mr. FRAWLEY: No, I have not. I could It would appear from the statements of the have been back many times but I went on chairman that he is highly desirous that only one occasion to see what they were his work be kept secret, and that Queens­ like. That one occasion convinced me that landers go along happy in the lmowledge Queensland definitely needs the Films Board that whatever is being banned is of detri­ of Review, just as the State needs the Litera­ ment to them. The reverse must also apply: ture Board of Review. I go so far as to those films not being banned are in fact good say to the Minister that Mrs. Rona Joyner and wholesome. should be on the Films Board of Review. I would invite honourable members and the general public to keep that in mind and Mr. Davis: What ~bout the points system to view some of the films being shown in I eXJplained today? Queensland that have been accepted by the Films Board of Review. I have not had the Mr. FRAWLEY: It is absolutely ridiculous. opportunity of seeing many of them, I must The speech of the member for Brisbane Central was so ridiculous that it compelled admit, but I have seen one or two. Let me say right here and now that I am not in me to stand here and answer the criticisms favour of censorship, but had I been a he made of the Films Board of Review. I am pleased I did. censor I would have banned one of these films that I saw because I found it to be Mr. Kruger: You have made a stupid offensive. Quite obviously, Mr. Draydon contribution as well. and his colleagues found that it was all right. The obvious lesson to be learnt from all Mr. FRAWLEY: The member for Mur­ this is that censors do not sit in judgment rumba would not be able to judge that. and make their judgment in terms of what Opposition speakers said many ridiculous is good or what is bad. They make it in things when they denigrated the Department accordance with their own reactions. If of Sport, which is under the control of the they find it offensive personally, then they Minister. In conclusion, I say that when are inclined to believe that it is as offensive the A.L.P. was in Government it did nothing to everybody else. That argument is not for sport. necessarily true. (Time expired.) Mr. Davis: They use the points system. Mr. SHAW (Wynnum) (7.57 p.m.): It Mr. SHAW: As the member for Brisbane seems that a great deal of the debate has Central says, they use the points system to revolved around the Films Board of Review. decide what should or should not be rejected. It is fitting that it has, because that board I have been informed by one of the people is one of the most embarrassing things that who show films for Mr. Draydon that he the Queensland Government ever brought can tell by watching him what will happen. into existence. It makes a joke of Queens­ If he rolls around the aisles laughing and landers in the eyes of the nation. chortling the film will be banned. I am particularly concerned about com­ :Mr. Davis: That is 35 points. ments that have been made about the mem­ bers of the National Party who went to view Mr. SHAW: Yes, 35 points if he gets the work of Mr. Draydon and his colleagues. excited. The previous speaker said that he was very Seriously, the personal reaction of the proud to be a member of the committee, person viewing a film on behalf of all Queens­ or whatever it was, that went to view those landers is what dictates the future of the films. film. This is one of the major arguments I The Films Board of Review is a form have against censorship. No hard and fast of censorship, and I believe that members rule can be applied to say what is offensive of this Chamber and the general public must or what is dangerous. There is a lot to be able to ascertain what is being censored be learnt by the policies adopted in other and the reason for that. I was interested respects. The way to approach it is to make to hear the comment that Mr. Draydon sure that nobody has the experience of the made about the members of this Chamber member for Oaboolture of going to a fi.1m and who went to see some films that he was being shocked by what he sees. We must Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1877 make certain that nobody can be under any sex. It has been well reported that tha~ is illusion about what it is he is about to see the main interest of the board, and certamly when he enters the theatre. it seems to allow through without question a great deal of blood and thunder. Blue­ Mr. Davis: Of all the members who went prints for robbing banks are subsequently to that showing, Mr. Frawley is the only one followed by some people-that is well game enough to tell us who went. known-and the exploits of a fellow in an aeroplane at the Brisbane airport followed Mr. SHAW: As I have previously said, I within a week or so of a similar incident do no1t think there should be any criticism being shown on television. There is no of the members who did go. I believe it is the doubt that such incidents have an effect only protection people have. It was the on some people. In spite of that, there member for Brisbane Central who said that seems to be virtually no concern about one of the first things the Hitler regime did violence but a great deal of concern about was to introduce censorship in the name of what affects the censor. Censorship is always protecting people from pornography. What with us in some form or other, and it was really happening was that those films is important that, when it operates, we thought to be detrimental to the Nazi's poli­ should know how and why it is operating. tical aspirations were banned. If the public can see what is going on, there is no danger The same argument can be applied to the of that sort of thing happening. Literature Board of Review. I cannot see any reason why any book should be ban_ned Earlier, by interjection, the honourable in this State-any book at all-but I believe member for Sandgate raised what has been that a very good case can be made out a very valid complaint about the operations for restricting the distribution of books. The of the Films Board of Review. The state­ policy adopted by the Brisbane City Council ment was made by a previous speaker that in its libraries is a very praiseworthy way some distributors are smuggling films into of approaching the problem. the State and getting away with showing them for a short time before they are banned. Mr. Davis: Under good chairmanship, too. Under the weird set-up we have, the Films Board of Review acts on objections. When Mr. SHAW: It v. as introduced during the somebody lodges a complaint with the board, time that I was in the chair. That is it almost certainly follows that by a round probably why it is so good. of phone calls, or whatever funny process is adopted, the film is subsequently banned. Mr. Davis: That is why I threw that Those distributors who want to avoid the in. process show their films in country areas first. Mr. SHAW: In one instance, a lady came along and complained to the City Librarian Mr. Warburton: Some films are legally about particular passages in a book that shown in Brisbane. she had obtained from the library. The interview was very interesting. The librarian Mr. SHAW: I think one was shown for asked the lady which particular pages she three years before it was finally banned. objected to. She nominated page 6, page The procedure has been quite well estab­ 12, page 40, and eventually g

involvement of the department in St. Helena problems in leadership, they stern from the Island, but I have a great deal of concern fac~ that the selected is made on the wrong about the way in which it will take place. basis. As Reisrnann put it in his book, "The . Mr. Charles Carroll, the lessee of the Lonely Crowd", the person who becomes the ;sland? recently said that his only interest leader is the person who best represents the ;n gomg to the island was to run cattle on ~spirations of the vast bulk of the people It. He told me that he had plans for a marina m that area. and a motel, which would be a liquor outlet on the. island. He has also come out strongly As I say, there is a dissatisfaction with the and said that there should be limited public formation of the corporation and the selec­ access to the island. I hope that he means tion of its personnel. I hope that in the the same sort of limited public access that future the Minister will involve himself I would like to see, which is a limit not on personally in this process. I will be bitterly the number of people who can go there but disappointed and most distraught if the next on vandals so that they cannot destroy it. I time there is a vacancy on the board one would n?t like to see landing fees and of the people I have mentioned as being charges Imposed on access to that island responsible for the formation of the cor­ b~~a_use that . would restrict people fro~ poration does not figure in the appointment. VISitmg what Is one of the few rernainincr I should add to those names the name of the historical places close to Brisbane. "' person who is the chairman of the board, Mr. Included in the control of that island Alan Callaghan. I could be wrong on that should be some local representation. Mem­ point, but he was also involved, and it would bers _of the local R?tary Club did a great be remiss of me not to mention his name as deal m the preservation of that island in the well. There is no-one else I could name early years. without going into the intimate details of the formation of the corporation. These (Time expired.) men have had most extensive dis­ Mr. ~ATTER (Fiinders) (8.18 p.rn.): I cus~ions at which I was foPtunate should like to make some brief observations, enough to be present. Also present at those rather scatter-shot, about the Estimates for discussions were Terry Jackrnan, who is this portfolio. My first comments relate to now head of Hoyts in Australia, Tony Buck­ the Queensland Film Corporation. I wish to ley, the most prolific and successful of our pass a few remarks about this issue because Australian film makers and Donald Crornbie, of my extreme disappointment not only in the director of "Caddie", in the long run !he performance of the corporation but also probably the most successful film that Aus­ 1~ the selection of its personnel. I was tralia has ever produced. bitterly disappointed at the passing over of I ask the Minister to involve himself per­ my colleague from Toowoornba South Mr sonally, because I will turn extremely nasty Warner. He is in the Chamber, so I' hop~ over this issue if the corporation continues that I am not embarrassing him. Both he to be run along these lines. I regret to say and Michael Evans, the Executive Director that at this stage it has not achieved a great of the National ~arty, worked extremely hard to make the Film Corporation a realitv. deal. I do not wish to criticise the corpora­ They were totally responsible for its forrna­ tion. I do not know the reasons why nothing has been achieved. It has been in existence ti?n. I do n~t wish to bore the Committee :VIth the: details of the way in which it came for a considerable period now, and yet we mto existence, but we can very definitely have not had a film made in Queensland in lay the thanks for it at the feet of these two that period. I thought that was the essence men. of the existence of the corporation. In both the original appointments and the My reason for being so enthusiastic about filling of the recent vacancy, both of them the establishment of the corporation and for were passed over. I do not wish to be taken thinking it was something important in which as c_riticising the people who have been to become involved was that when I came appomted, but I am. bitterly disappointed down to the city I was saddened to hear that these two men With tremendous experi­ everyone referring to cowboys. That is an ence were passed over. American expression and refers to people 'The son of the honourable member for who work with stock in the United States. Toowoornba South is a film maker in a small It has absolutely nothing to do with Aus­ ~ay and has had extensive experience in the tralia. In Australia a cowboy is a person ;ndustry. The honourable member himself who milks the cows. He is normally a retired IS a film-goer, and it is extremely important stockman. Yet if the vast bulk of the Aus­ that a person on the corporation should like tralian population saw a person in a ringer's _the medium. Similarly, Mr. Evans has been hat wearing elastic-sided boots they would mvolved m art and culture in this State automatically call him a cowboy. This is for almost his entire adult life in Brisbane. how a culture begins to disappear. There is no national identity. I am greatly dissatisfied with the selection of these boards. Whoever makes these deci­ There is nothing in this country of which s!ons seems to be doing so through favouri­ people can be particularly proud, particu­ tism and making decisions which the rest of larly our youth. We need to give the youth us find quite extraordinary. When there are of this nation an image of which they can 1880 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) be proud, and we can only achieve this national identity? When I said this in the through our cultural media. It is very diffi­ Chamber three years ago, scorn was cast at cult for us to compete in the television arena me, and it is being cast at me again tonight because we face competition from the United for having the temerity to stand up here and States studios, whose work is prolific and say that something that is popular, that is excellent. Because of the nature of the liked by the people and that does reflect our industry, it is extremely difficult for us to national identity should be helped, and that break into it, so we must turn our attention something that is imported from Europe to the film industry which, after all, is the should not be helped. So I make no apologies mother or father-however one likes to for asking for money to sponsor that par­ express it-of the television media. What we ticular type of music, not the elitist forms of produce for the cinema will eventually end art. up on our television screens. This is where the problem of creating a national identity Mr. R. J. Gibbs: One of the biggest selling and a national pride comes from. It is "in" records was "Redback on the Toilet Seat". culture, and at present if we have to pay out Would you classify that as culture? of the public purse to produce that sort of culture then that is what we will have to do. Mr. KATTER: No, that was not a very big-selling record. It sold many records. It !hat b~ings me to my second point, those thmgs which should not be paid for out of the is irrelevant when one considers the mag­ public purse. I am talking about the elitist nitude of the sales of records about which I form of culture; such things as opera, theatre am talking. and ballet and the arty sorts of things such I shall move on to the field of sport. It as were sponsored by the Whitlam Govern­ never ceases to astound me that the ment. I instance "Blue Poles". extremely minuscule sport's that hardly have any following or do not contribute anything Mr. Davis: Why? What is wrong with that? to physical attributes or exercises seem to receive enormous sums of money, and that Mr. KATTER: H the honourable mem­ the extremely popular sports, in which large ber seriously asks me the question "What is numbers of people participate, receive very wrong with the purchase of Blu~ Poles?" 1ittle. I shall refer to two top sports in North then there is reaJ,ly little need for me t~ Queensland. One of those sport:s is Rugby ~nswe_r i~, because the asking of the question League. I will not mention the other sport. IS an Indictment of the member who asked it. I remember on one occasion rhe president of the junior side of this other sport said to me, Mr. R. J. Gibbs: You mentioned the ballet "Do you know that in North Queensland and the opera. What is wrong with them? this week-end there will be 1,000 young children playing this particular sport?" I Mr. KATTER: I will tel! the honourable said, "That is very interesting, because there member what is wrong with them. They are will be 1,000 young people playing this attended by a very small section of the popular sport in Charters Towers alone this Australian community-so small a section week-end." Of course, the popular sport that they cannot carry themselves com­ was Rugby Lea:gue. When I look at the mercially. In the case of films I can see the sums of money that are handed out, I see necessity f

Mr. BISHOP: At the outset, congratu- I hope that in the next week or two some late the Minister on his elevation and on very firm decisions will be made to go ahead the opportunity to present his first Estimates with the building, because a number of men to this Parliament. on the Gold Coast have taken a very long There are one or two matters that I wish and strong interest in its development. Men to mention briefly. One that I have had such as Max BoYd and Joe Pinter ha\'e a close interest in-and I know that the worked on comrilittees for years in an Minister has, too-is the construction of a endeavour to bring the project to fruition. cultural centre on the Gold Coast in my Mr. Davis interjected. electorate at the council's administrative centre at Evandale. I am sure manv honour­ Mr. BISHOP: I have noticed the honour­ able members would be aware that on that able member's keen interest in culture; in 56 acres a sufficient area has been set aside fact, it is one thing about the honourable for the cDnstruction of a cultural centre. At member that has impressed me since I have one stage I spent 12 or 15 months as been a member of this Assembly. I am ch.airman of the cultural centre steering com­ sure that in his speech in this debate, which mittee of the Gold Coast City Council that I was fortunate enough not to hear, he did endea:oured to find a way through the congratulate the Government on what it is financml morass that sometimes exists so doing in relation to the cultural centre in that that project could proceed. Brisbane. I am sure that he has taken a I am very pleased that the Minister is good deal of trouble to study the annual taking an extremely keen interest in the report of the trustees of the Queensland decisions that will ultimately be made so Art Gallery. that its building will go ahead. I hope that Mr. Davis: I don't want to pull seniority, it is finished in time for the 1982 Com­ but it was through my efforts that the cultural monwealth Games. Its completion will result centre was built in my former electorate at in a magnificent block of buildings rep­ South Brisbane. resenting the whole of the Gold Coast at Evandale. I believe that the cost involved Mr. BISHOP: Well, the honourable will be a small price to pay for what is member-- an essential requirement in any community. It is often said that man cannot live by Mr. Bourke: Would vou describe Mr. bread alone. Unfortunately in the past there Davis's speech as a version of "Dad and have probably been too many people on Dave go to the Cultural Centre"? the Gold Coast who have not had the imagination or the courage to make the Mr. BISHOP: I am sure that would be the decisions that are required for this type of way in which the honourable member, coming development. It may be that now with the from Toowoomba, would describe it. co-operation and imagination of the Albert Although I did not hear the contribution Shire, this .community project wiH go ahead. of the honourable member for Brisbane Cen­ It really 1s a regional project something tral, I have heard since that it was that will benefit the Gold Coast' the Albert exceptional. Sh~re and its hinterland, and ~rhaps even I draw the attention of honourable mem­ Bnsbane. The Gold Coast certainly has bers opposite to the work that the Govern­ the potential to become the cultural centre ment is doing throughout the State in the as well as the tourist centre of Australia. cultural field. One can go from one end of Mr. Davis: How many will the auditorium Queensland to the other and see what is seat? happening in every local authority area of the State in the construction of buildings Mr. BISHOP: It will seat about 1,000 that will assist in broadening the minds of people. people in the cultural field. Mr. D::vis: Is that all? It will not pay. Mr. Warburton interjected. I recommend somewhere about 2,500. Mr. BISHOP: I suggest that the honourable Mr. BISHOP: I will make a note of the member take a train trip through Queens­ honourable member's expert comments and land and visit some of these places. pass them on to the Mayor of the Gold Mr. Yewdale: Would you care to express Coast City Council. I know that he will be your views on how the local authorities are impressed. Keith Hunt knows the honourable going in the field of rezoning in Queensland? member very well; he has often spoken of him. I will not take up the time of the Mr. BISHOP: The honourable member Committee to explain what he said. knows very well that I will be only too happy The honourable member for Brisbane Cen­ to do so at the appropriate time. If he wishes tral will find that the research that has been to go back over some of my past speeches carried out and the surveys and investiga­ and do a refresher course, that is all right tions that have been undertaken by the wLth me. Unlike some members of the council show that a 1,000-seat theatre­ Opposition, the people of Queensland gener­ certainly no less than that-will be satis­ ally are taking a growing interest in preserva­ factory. tion and conservation, in the arts and in Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1883

culture in this State. Who can deny that essential. Some people claim that tourists that is not caused in a very large measure by tend to destroy some aspects of island devel­ the subsidies the Government has offered to opment. An example is Green Island, and local authorities and other groups? a hard look needs to be taken at it. I wonder whether the leasing conditions are Mr. Prest: It is your Government's policy adequate. The cleanliness of the island leaves to look after the old things. You have much to be desired. only to look at Cabinet and the old stagers there. They are relics. The Minister would no doubt agree with me that the Queensland pub1ic would not Mr. BISHOP: It is very easy for the hon­ tolerate the possible destruction of the Great ourable member to sneer, but he cannot Barrier Reef by mining. Many arguments on deny the Government's performance in safety factors can be put forward, hut every a'sisting cultural activities in Queensland. time they are put forward, a crisis occurs somewhere in the world and destroys a mas­ Mr. Warburton: Why is the Government sive number of creatures that live in the sea, closing the Theatre in Education programme, off the sea or by the sea. which gives children a chance to participate free of charge in a cultural activity? Mr. Bourke: Are you talking about oil­ dr1illing now? Mr. BISHOP: If the honourable member has not already done so, he will be able Mr. BISHOP: Yes. to make his contribution at the appropriate ·I do not detect, too of,ten, an indication time; but he cannot deny that cultural acti­ by this Government that it will allow drilling, Yities are expanding rapidly throughout the but I become concerned when occasionally State. I see what appears to be an idea floated in Member after member has spoken of the media that something might be done 'in developments in the sporting sphere. In this regard in order to te9t public opinion. my electorate, thanks to the Government's I congratulate the Minister and the staff support, sporting activities have developed in the various de.partments under his control. astonishingly. That was not so a few years Most of all, I congratulate the Government ago. Only recently, Pizzey Park was granted on what appears to me to be progressive a subsidy of :b140,000 for the development poLicies on the matters controlled by the of sporting facilities. The Italo-Australian Minister. Club development is progressing rapidly in the Merrimac section of my electorate. Mr. D'ARCY (Woodridge) (8.53 p.m.): I Recently it was granted a subsidy of $50,000 wish to make a brief contribution to the or $60,000 to assist its sporting development. debate on these Estimates. I, too, congratu­ late the Minister on presentation of his first Mr. Davis: Why don't you get off the Estimates. I was surprised to hear the hon­ parish pump and get around Queensland a ourable member for Surfers Paradise con­ bit? gratulate the Minister af,ter all that he has said about him behind his back in the past Mr. BISHOP: The honourable member couple of years. should be aware that I represent the fastest­ gro¥:ing area in Queensland. It is part Mr. BISHOP: I rise to a point of order. I of a city that is the second-largest in Queens­ find that remark excessively offensive and land. Two national parks were gazetted I should like it withdrawn. It is not true. in the region this year. The honourable The Minister knows that it is not true. If member cannot tell me that the Government I have anything to say about anybody, includ­ is not performing well in this area. ing the honourable member for Woodridge, I come now to the Barrier Reef-­ I will say it to his face. Mr. Prest interjected. The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. Gunn\ Order! I ask the honourable mem­ \1r. BISHOP: I strongly believe-! do not ber to whhdraw the remark. think the honourable member is of the same mind-that if all of Queensland is strong Mr. D'ARCY: I withdraw it. I hope that each section of Queensland is helped. If means that the Liberals will not run a can­ the honourable member wants to be parochial didate in Albert and will give us a chance and stick-in-the-mud, if he does not want of winning it. to moYe outside his electorate, that is a Mr. Bishop: Wait till you see our cand~d­ problem for his electors, who, no doubt, will ate in Woodridge. get rid of him at the next election. When leases are granted over areas in the Mr. D'ARCY: I have seen him-the Great Barrier Reef region to island devel­ "Bearded wonder". opers, I would like the Government to insist The subject on which I want to speak is strongly on their developing environmental the Sport Estimates. Most honourable mem­ parks. Island operators should be strongly bers who looked at the way the Depart­ encouraged by the Government to take· a ment of Sport has been run and the way bigger intere't in developing their islands sports grants have been made must be ter­ in a proper environ:nental way. This is ribly disappointed. I realise that the Minister 1884 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) is new in his portfolio, but I hope that he Mr. Frawley: Haven't you got a pony takes cognisance of what has been said in dub in your electorate? this Parliament by members of the Opposi­ tion in relation to sport. The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. Gunn): Order! The honourable member is Obviously, sport has changed dramaticaUy not in his usua,l seat. He knows that he in our society over the past decade, par­ should not interject from other than his usual ticularly following the advent of television seat. and because of the need for the public to partJicipate in sport so as to enjoy a longer, Mr. D'ARCY: This is a frightful situ­ better and healthier life. It has also pro­ ation-- duced a different type of sportsman and sportswoman in our society, one who par­ Mr. Bourke: Is it true that you are a ticipates for most of his or her active life. sport of some fame yourself? One must be concerned at this Govern­ Mr. D'ARCY: Of course. I played a lot ment's meagre contribution to sport. I of sport and represented the State, as the represent a densely populated urban area honourable member would be well aware. with a very young population. Statistics The children of this State are missing out show that the area has a very large popula­ on sporting facilities. As the honourable tion under the age of 18 years, and that member for Lytton said, the women in this almost 50 per cent of the population is State are also missing out. under the age of 25 years. This Government is not catering for these young people in the Mr. Frawley: They are, too! area of sport. It is the same old situation, with the rich getting richer and the poor Mr. D'ARCY: As far as sport is con­ getting poorer. Looking at the Estimates, cerned. One of the largest women's sporting one finds that the sport which receives the groups in Queensland is the North Albert greatest number of individual subsidies is Netball Association. That association did golf. I do not have a golf club in my not receive even a cent by way o.f subsidy. electorate. A total of 71 golf clubs received In fact, only 13 netball associations received a subsidy from the Sports and Youth Fund. subsidies. Over 1,000 young women in the As I said, we do not have a golf olub Woodridge area are members of the netball and are not likely to have one in the fore­ association in the North Aibert area. The seeable future, even though Woodridge has Minister would be aware of that fact because, one of the largest electoral populations in before the redistrrbution, he would have this State. Yet established clubs in estab­ represented some of that area. lished areas receive subsidies. For instance, Mr. Fravvley: Did they apply for a subsidy? the Indooroopilly Golf Club received a sub­ sidy of $50,000. That is a frightful amount! Mr. D'ARCY: Yes, they did. They received Yet there was virtually nothing spent in the an area of land from the council, but it is Woodridge electorate. The McLeod Country desperately in need of further upgrading. Golf Club received a subsidy of $16,000. As I say, they have not received a subsidy. The Surfers Paradise Golf Club received Overall, the Government is ignoring the $21,800. I see that the honourable member real needs of sporting communities in for Surfers Paradise is just leaving the Cham­ Queensland. Sporting subsidies were received ber. He is never here. We do not have by 29 yachting clubs, 59 pony clubs and a golf club in the Woodridge electorate, but 71 golf clubs, yet only 13 netball associations if that sort of money was spent-- received subsidies. When one considers those Mr. Shaw interjected. figures, one realises that the Government is not fair dinkum. Mr. D'ARCY: I do not think they would Mr. Warburton: Many of them are be short of money in Sutfers Paradise. The licensed. honourable member is certainly not short; he throws it around the bar. Mr. D'ARCY: That is the interesting point. Many of those clubs are licensed. Mr. Bourke: Why spend it there if there The clubs that received the largest grants is no golf club? are in what we would call conservative areas. Last year, the Gold Coast recei':'ed Mr. D'ARCY: A total of 71 golf clubs a subsidy of $108,000 for the constructton received subsidies, a higher number than for of an Olympic pool at Palm Beach. When any other sport. The next greatest number one looks at those figures, one realises that to receive a subsidy were pony clubs, and the Government is neglecting the real needs there were 59 of them. of the young people and of the women of thi,g Mr. Bishop: Stop whingeing! State. I wish to mention two other subjects in Mr. D'ARCY: Stop whingeing! I am point­ these Estimates. One is sports medicine. ing out that this Government ignores the Unfortunately, sports medicine is not being working class who live in densely populated considered in Australia as it should be. It urban areas. It also ignores the young people is not being developed as it should be. In of this State, the people who need sporting the past few years, only the Governments facilities. in New South Wales, South Australia and Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1885

Tasmania have looked seriously at sports the $30,000,000 provided by those bodies medicine. The Government in Queensland has been spent, they will virtually wipe their has not done so. hands of the whole project. That is a very, Recent reports have stated that there has very poor show. Although Governments been little systematic research carried out often denigrate themselves and are denigrated in Australia in the area of sports medicine, by members of the public, it is Govern­ and it is sorely needed. The medical aspect ments that are responsible for spending public of sport is becoming increasingly important moneys. We are responsible for raising as society becomes more sedentary and for funds, so surely we should have more say this reason sports medicine must cater not in their expenditure. However, at the pre­ only for the superior athlete but also for sent time the Government intends to pass the individual who takes his place in sport responsibility for the expenditure of tax­ at all levels of competition. The majority payers' money to sporting organisations. The of sports medicine research should also be Brisbane City Council is spending a lot of carried out at a national institute of sport the monev but the Commonwealth and State and recreation when it is developed. I am Governments have virtually wiped their hands calling for the establishment of a sports of their commitment to the Commonwealth medicine centre. Games. I have visited most of the hospitals in Some sporting bodies that are involved Queensland. There is nothing worse than have very narrow and vested interests in visiting a hospital in a country town, such the way that they will spend the money. as Blackall or Barcaldine, on a week-end To some extent their submissions for what when a football match is being played there. they want for their sport have gone mad. Doctors have to be rostered for the week-end The Government should be monitoring this to treat the injuries that occur. It is shocking expenditure because it has a direct link to see the position in the major hospitals with the oublic and a direct responsibility in Brisbane-the Royal Brisbane Hospital to the p~blic on how public moneys are and the Princess Alexandra Hospital--on spent. Montreal proved to be a prime a Saturday afternoon. vVe are not looking example of how sporting expenditure can at sports medicine in the long term. I go berserk. The Government has to look believe that it is necessarv for us in at the way this money is spent. It should Queensland to take sports med-icine seriously. be the Government that is spending the We certainly have not done so to date. money. The Government should control the A few notable doctors have spoken out expenditure and not allow it to be in the seriously on this subject, and I believe that hands of sporting clubs and sporting organi­ they should be supported by this Govern­ sers who may take over total control. ment so that they can continue their work An example of that happening was put and eliminate some of the major injuries forward by the member for Mansfield when that occur in contact sports in Queensland. he stated that there had been no promise We are well aware that, generally, the of a heavy bore range or a continuation lower socio-economic groups in the com­ of that range for years to come. The. munity engage in contact sports. So, in department made a faux pas. The Govern­ order to protect our society, I believe we ment is not looking at the total problem. should be looking more seriously at sports The Government should ensure that a lot medicine in Queensland. of the money being put into the Common­ The last subject I want to touch on is wealth Games is also of long-term benefit that of the Commonwealth Games. It is to sporting organisations. That is not being with a great deal of sadness that I say done. tonight that the organiser of the 1956 Mel­ I now wish to speak about the National bourne Olympic Games, a former Victorian Parks and Wildlife Service. Although the member of Parliament, Sir Edgar Tanner, Go.-ernment has established national parks died in Melbourne yesterday at the age of and wildlife sanctuaries in Queensland, many 65. It was Sir Edgar Tanner who originally of them do not fully protect the natural was to make the submission at Montreal environment, which is what Queenslanders on behalf of Brisbane's bid to host the Com­ expect. It is not being fully protected. The monwealth Games. However, as things hap­ prospect of the long-term problems being pened it was a member of the Queensland created by oil-drilling on the Great Barrier Parliament who made that submission. I Reef frightens most Queenslanders. refer to the honourable member for Wynnum. The excellent submission made on behalf Let me remind the Committee about what of Brisbane by the member for Wynnum is happening in South-east Queensland. For at Montreal succeeded in having ~he Com­ vears I have raised the matter of development monwealth Games allotted to Brisbane. I from the Broadwater north into Moreton: congratulate him on the submission he made Bay. As highlighted by the Wildl!ife Preserva­ at Montreal. tion Society of Austral1982 Commonwealth Games by the destroyed. Development is destroying crab State and Federal Governments and the Bris­ and fish life, which should be protected by bane City Council is being wasted. Once this Government to a much greater extent. 81364-65 1886 Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979) (Estimates)

The Government ought to review leases that my department. I point out to the honour"' have been granted in that area. It needs to able member that the title is the Sports and rewew the areas under the control of the Youth Fund, and youth organisations are as National Parks and Wildlife Service. If the entitled to their subsidies as sports organisa­ Minister took his portfolio seriously, he tions. The pr,inciple established when the would look at all the leases granted in the sporting as<>istance scheme was instituted \vas laSJt 30 or 40 yea.rs by Governments of all one of self-help, and this has been carried political persuasion. They urgently need through to the present day. revis[on by the Queensland Government to The honourable member was quite wrong protect our heritage. when he talked about junior sport, because our priovity has always been for juniors and Hon. I. J. GffiBS (Albel't-Minister for no application submitted in the seven years Culture, National Parks and Recreation since the scheme commenced for assistance (9.12 p.m.): I thank honourable mem­ for junior sport has ever been refused. In bers for their contributions to this debate. the current financial year an additional This is the first ,t,ime the Estimates of this $624,634 will be made available for assistance department have been before this Assembly and encouragement to sport above the level and it was most gratif)lling for me as the of the prev,ious year. All of these funds will responsible Minister to see the depth of be channelled into junior sport through interest and understanding displayed by many approved junior coaching subsidies. members. Having said that, I must record my dis­ Contrary to suggestions by the honourable appointment at the contribution by the hon­ member, all State associations and all mem­ ourable member for Sandgate, who shadows bers of those sporting bodies are well aware my portfoillio. He provided the Assembly with of the guide-lines for assistance to sport little more than a ~hallow mixture of half­ and th<' rRn"E' of

I should mention here that senior officers Federation, and one who has been active in of Queensland's National Parks and Wildlife the Queensland chapter. While he is a Service will be meeting at a special seminar roller-skating rink operator, he is also one next week to discuss this subject and to for­ of those voluntary dedicated sporting adminis­ mulate the basis of management proposals for trators of whom the honourable member the conservation of these areas in the future. speaks. The honourable the Leader of the Opposi­ He has managed Australian roller-skating tion, as is his habit, did not bother to check teams overseas, in some cases at his own his facts before attempting to criticise this expense, and is a member representing Aus­ Government's attitude toward junior sport. tralia on the world body, the first Australian Ju!Jit:;r sport h~s been the Government's top to be so appointed. The honourable member pnonty ever smce the scheme for assistance did himself little credit by using the privilege and encouragement to sport was introduced. of this Parliament to besmirch the reputa­ This financial year all facilities applied for tion of a person who is obviously so highly by junior sports clubs, as well as all the Tegarded in Queensland, Australian and applications for coaching of juniors, were international sporting circles. approved. Not one application from a junior The honourable member's call for the club for facilities or coaching was rejected. establishment of a Sporting Hall of Fame I agree with the honourable member's in the new Queensland Cultural Centre does comments regarding the number of dedicated not have the support of the Australian people .who w?rk long and hard for the sport Confederation of Sport. This organisation, of their chOice and can assure him the which represents the opinion of a wide gr.eat majority of these are more than pleased body of sporting administrators feels, as I With the Government's assistance they receive. do, that any such Hall of Fame should be established as a national one displaying the I turn now to the honourable member's records of those who have won sporting remarks regarding subsidies for roller skat­ fame as Australians. ing and his particular reference to the Cane­ lands roller skating club. The application In his remarks, the member for Pine from this club was received through the Rivers mentioned the difficulty in locating State association for the sport well before some information as it is contained in the the closing date in conjunction with a num­ present format of the Estimates. The depart­ ber of other applications. ment's Estimates are presented in the cus­ tomary Treasury format. So far as the Th!s . State association is a very virile Library of Queensland Fund in the "Special associatiOn and It pays particular attention Allocations" Vote is concerned, the amount to .applications received from its various credited to the fund should be followed affiliated clubs. The association examines through page 102 of the Estimates where the applications and, in a number of instances the customary break-up is given in the Trust has _recommended lower subsidies than thos~ and Special Funds section. ~pphed. for. The subsidies for junior coach­ I thank the honourable member for his mg which were approved for the Canelands interest in the Queensland Cultural Centre, complex an';~ the other roller skating com­ which will see its first cultural institution pl~:;es mentiOned were paid to clubs which -the Art Gallery-open to the public in utJ.hsed these complexes, not to the pro­ pnetors of the facilities. early 1982. That will be a great day, not just for Brisbane but for Queensland and The clubs must ~u~mit .evid.ence of expendi­ Australia. ture by way o.f ongmal mv01ces and receipts an.d also certify that the money has been The honourable member was quite correct raised by their own efforts and that the in his comments on the Government's sport­ ing assistance scheme, which is the em·y money has been spent for the actual pur­ pose of junior coaching. of sporting bodies in the other States. On many occasions, national and other sporting The honourable member is apparentlv associations from interstate have expressed unaware that there are three disciplines in the opinion that the Queensland scheme is roller-skating-artistic, speed and hockev. the best in Australia. Each of these requires a specialist coach. It was also pleasing to hear a member I emphasise that subsidies do not go to from the opposite side of the Chamber sup­ a co~mercial organisation but to a properly porting the Government's priority for the constituted club with its own constitution coaching of juniors. The State and national and rules, and these clubs are all voluntary representatives of whom the honourable organisations. member for Port Curtis spoke undoubtedly There is a parallel with the sport of were assisted in their achievements by State squash in the granting of these subsidies. Government-funded coaching programmes. Squash also uses commercial buildings, but The major project of which he spoke is the squash club is a voluntary body which one of the best in Queensland and warranted arranges the coaching, raises the money, and the support given to it by my department. receives the subsidy. In reply to his other remarks, I inform The honourable member spoke of a Mr. the honourable member that the administra­ Con Galtos, whom I know only as the tion of the Cultural Centre will be the President of the Australian Roller Skating responsibility of the Queensland Cultural Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1889

Centre Trust, under the Treasury portfolio. have applied for assistance this financial year Four of the component institufions-Art have received it at the rate of 50 per cent Gallery, Library, Museum and Performing of the costs. Arts-will operate under their respective I take aboard the honourable member's boards or trusts, which come within my points on the jubilee year of the Marching portfolio. I think the distinction should be Girls Association. I wiH certainly have this made. matter re-examined. It was pleasing to hear that the Govern­ Our Olympic and Commonwealth Games ment's sporting subsidies are appreciated by athletes will not have any real problems as sporting administrators in the electorate of regards finance or training fadlities. The Balonne and their representative in this facilities being provided here in Brisbane for House. the Commonwealth Games will be the best ever and well in advance of those provided That honourable member also raised the at previous games. The athletes village at interesting question of whether . a charge Grif!Hh University will be quite outstanding. should be levied for visiting the State's I am sure that any financial worries which national parks. Let me say that there is a the organisers may now have will be over­ wide divergence of opinion on this matter. come long before the Games commence. The Investigations have found that even in the Director of Sport, who attended the Com­ most heavily used parks it would scarcely monwealth Games at Chl'istchurch in 1974, be a profitable exercise to set up the the Olympic Games at Montreal in 1976, and bureaucratic machinery necessary to collect, the Commonwealth Games in Edmonton in bank and process these charges. 1978, submitted reports to Cabinet on his On the question of kangaroo tags, I can return from each v,isit. The requisite action inform the honourable member that the was taken and certain recommendations were Queensland National Parks and Wildlife Ser­ implemented which have proved of benefit to vice is prepared to issue up to 1,500,000 tags the various sporting associations. again in 1980, based on kangaroo populations I thank the honourable member for being able to sustain that harvest level. Gympie for his comments on historical place However, I feel we must all accept that names. His comments on the Government's the time may well come when, because of policy on sport are also appreciated and are a series of bad seasons coupled with the in accordance with the philosophy of self­ continuous harvesting of high numbers of help and support and encouragement for those kangaroos, action may have to be taken hard-work~ng volunteers in so many sporting to reduce the harvest level to ensure the bodies. I have mentioned earlier that I will species is not endangered by over-exploitation. soon be making a personal inspection of the Freshwater Road and would welcome the The concern of the honourable member company of the honourable member on that for Isis over the future of Fraser Island is inspection. The honourable member also well known to this Assembly and to the made a plea for continued suppo!'t by my people of his electorate. Queensland's department for youth orchestras in this State National Parks and Wildlife Service will and I can assure him that support is proV'ided prepare a management plan for the national as a matter of policy. park on the i&land and call for public sub­ missions on the plan. This will enable the I thank the honourable member for Bris­ Government to take into consideration the bane Central for his complimentary remarks \Oiews of all park users, local authorities, con­ on the staff of the Queensland Museum. The servation groups and interested individuals. I honourable member may rest assured that the am confident this action will enable sound Museum's new location in the Cultural resolution of the matters raised by the hon­ Centre will result in its being able to pro· ourable member, including vehicular access perly present itsdf as a fine, modern museum and the use of four-wheel-drive vehicles on in a magnificent environment. The future of certain parts of the island. the present museum building will be properly considered at the appropriate time and his The honourable member for Lytton was views will be borne in mind. cntJcal of my Government's atti,tude towards women's sport and the facilities that are avail­ For the benefit of the honourable mem­ able for women's sport in various areas of ber, I reiterate that the Queen:;,land Films the State. In reply, I would point out th'at Board of ReV'iew has a statutory obligation to prohibit the distTibution of fi,lms which t~e matter of fac!lities for women's sport was discussed by Ca:bmet recently and a decision come within the statutory definition of made to give applications for assistance a "objectionable". The board performs its duties ably and well and entirely within the hig~ priority. As a result, l!!H app!

The corporation came under my portfoHo on the Australian Film Commission, Film Aus­ 1 July and a new chairman was appointed on tralia or the Australian Film and Television that day. I cannot speak for the corpora­ School, which were set up specifically for tion's procedures before 1 July, but I do this purpose. know that its administration and operations There has been some talk about the pro­ have been extensively revised under the new posed Nerang film studio. The company con­ chairman. cerned is not seeking a subsidy. It has The corporation's charter, as I outlined applied, quite correctly, for assistance in my introductory speech, is to foster a through the pioneer industry incentive scheme Queensland film industry and to promote that has been widely advertised interstate by Queensland as a film location. The fact that the Queensland Government through the two feature films are now under way and Department of Commercial and Industrial negotiations are proceeding for other pro­ Development. ductions speaks for itself. The company is prepared to put in some $3,000,000 of its own money. The project The corporation does not subsidise films; is being considered in the normal way by nor does it make grants. It invests in films the Department of Commercial and Industrial to obtain a share of profits that can be Development and the State Government. The ploughed back into further productions. I Queensland Film Corporation is not involved might point out in passing, even though the in any investment in this proposed project. production concerned was before my time, Such a studio would give the Queensland that "The Irishman", although acknowledged industry a major boost by making production a good film, has not yet made any money and post-production facilities available. for its backers. Films are shot on location, but they have The corporation's aim is to have the to be edited and interior scenes done in a maximum number of Queensland film per­ studio. Studios are particularly needed for sonnel employed on productions it finances. television series production. Some nine To this end, the corporation placed adver­ feature films have been made in Queensland tisements in September for experienced -and all were edited in Sydney or Mel­ Queensland film personnel to notify their bourne. Tbe Queensland Film Corporation, names and addresses to it for inclusion in I believe, is doing an excellent job, and a directory of film personnel, which is made is well regarded in the industry. available to film companies and producers. The honourable member for Toowoomba More than 70 people resident in Queensland South also raised the question of the avail­ have replied so far. ability of national parks in the Toowoomba The honourable member commented that region. Suitable areas which may be reserved the company making "Final Cut" on the as national park in that region are cur­ Gold Coast was trying to do its best within rently under investigation by my department. the budget it received. The corporation does However, a very interesting national park not allot budgets. These are compiled by is available within 40 km of Toowoomba. the company concerned made up of its own It is called Crows Nest Falls National Park investment, private investment and the cor­ and has a beautiful natural swimming-hole poration's investment. The company making and spectacular views over Perserverance "Final Cut" applied for a Q.F.C. investment Creek and Crows Nest Creek. It has good of $86,000 and in fact the corporation picnic facilities which are proving very increased its investment to $192,000-hardly popular with residents and visitors to the a miserly attitude. area. The Ravensbourne National Park is also within one hour's drive of Toowoomba. The honourable member also commented In answering the honourable member for that film crews working on "Final Cut" Merthyr, I would like to thank him for his were upset that crew for "Friday the 13th" contribution and advise that our wildlife -now renamed "Touch And Go"-were rangers do in fact, as part of their duties, coming from Sydnev. The fact is that both lecture quite frequently at schools all over productions are under way simultaneously the State. Likewise, our national park rangers and all available Queensland personnel wer~ and interpretive officers provide school lec­ already engaged for "Final Cut". tures all over the State, including disadvan­ I know that the chairman outlined this taged schools and schools for handicapped fa~t to th~ crew through the producer, Mr. children. The junior ranger programme is M1ke Wilhams, who is also a Q.F.C. member, another area where nature conservation is and that the crew expressed their satisfaction. brought to children. The majority of "Touch And Go" is being The honourable member has mentioned shot on the Sunshine Coast, in line with catering for handicapped children. New Q.F.C. policy. buildings in all major paDks have toilet . The Q.F.C. is charged with making sound facilities for disabled people . mvestments to get a return on what after Regarding the honoumble member's sug­ all, is taxpayers' money. Unlike th~ Aus­ gestion that the police Fauna Squad liaise tralian Film Commission and some other with the Police Deparment and the State corporations, it is not empowered to R.Q.S.P.C. to enforce the Animals Protection make grants for amateur film makers. Such Act, I would advise that this liaison is productions are better channelled through already taking place. Supply [22 NOVEMBER 1979] (Estimates) 1891

I also thank the honourable member for cultural centre for the Gold Coast, and I Caboolture for his remarks, and particularly look forward to his support and co-operation for drawing attention to the lack of support in my attempts, and those of the local coun­ for sport given by Labor in all its long cils involved, to bring the project to reality. dreary years of office. I was also interested in his references to pony clubs in his elec­ I also thank the honourable member for torate. This is a sport in which I am his complimentary remarks about the success personally involved, and I look forward to of our cultural activities programme. As a its growth in the years ahead. result of our efforts in this field the quality of life in Queensland has improved. Again, his remarks in favour of the Films Board of Review were much appreciated, The honourable member for Woodridge and I am sure will be extremely interesting quoted the annual report of the department to the members of that board. for the year ended June 1979 and not this year's Estimates. Subsidies quoted by the The honourable member for Wynnum per­ honourable member were payments made in sisted with the Opposition's fanatical and the last financial year, and were principally illogical attacks on the operations of the for coaching juniors. I reiterate that no Films Board of Review. The only further application for a subsidy to coach juniors point I wish to make in this regard is has ever been refused. Junior sport is that the board is unfortunately unable to keep a Statewide surveillance of what is looked after very well. being shown in every part of Queensland. I refute any suggestion that a netball The processes and procedures adopted by the association did not receive a subsidy as a board as part of its administrative process are result of an application submitted this year. those adjudged by the board to be the best The honourable member made an assertion it can devise in the present circumstances. that the electorates of Government mem­ I support the board in all its endeavours to bers receive preferential treatment. I remind carry out its charter. him that only a few weeks ago in the elec­ I have, and the Government has, exactly torate of one of his colleagues I officially the same view so far as the Literature Board opened the largest single project subsidised by of Review is concerned. the Government. I refer to the ice-skating rink constructed at Acacia Ridge by the I can inform the honourable member State association of that sport. that I have appointed a management com­ mittee to oversee the management of the In closing this debate I recognise the national park on St. Helena Island. This contribution of those honourable members committee will meet soon to resolve man­ who have commented constructively on the agement problems on the island. The com­ diverse a~pects of this portfolio. I take mittee is headed by the Director of the aboard the positive points that have been Queensland National Parks and Wildlife made during these dis·cussions and undertake Service, Dr. Graham Saunders. It is also pro­ to investigate those suggestions which may posed to station a ranger on the island in the assist my department in fulfilling its charter very near future. This will ensure the control to the people of Queensland. I also record of vandalism and that the valuable historic my thanks to my personal staff and depart­ ruins are appreciated and protected. mental officers who have assisted me during the course of these proceedings. The honourable member for Flinders made some interesting comments on grants to At 9.45 p.m., certain cultural activities. However, the Government recognises the position of the performing arts- opera, ballet, theatre, etc.­ The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. in the whole cultural spectrum, and must Gunn): Order! By agreement, under the pro­ continue to provide assistance as and when visions of the Sessional Order agreed to by it considers it necessary. The honourable the House on 9 October, I shall now put mem?er .ma~ rest assured that no particular the questions for the Vote under consider­ act1v1ty 1s smgled out for sycmpathetic con­ ation and the balance remaining unvoted for sideration by virtue of its appeal to any Culture, National Parks and Recreation. particular section of the population. The questions for the following Votes I wish to inform the honourable member were put, and agreed to-- that fi:es can be lit in fireplaces provided on natwnal parks. Fishing for personal use Culture, National Parks and Recreation­ while on the park will be permitted in some $ of ~he more extensive parks in Cape York Chief Office, Department Penmsula and elsewhere. Fishing has been of Culture, National a traditional use of the area. Parks and Recreation 2,256,563 The kangaroo tagging system was imposed Balance of Vote, Con­ by .th.e Commonwealth as the price for solidated Revenue, regammg export permits. Trust and Special Funds and Loan Fund Account 26,024,438 I thank the honourable member for Surfers Paradise for his comments on the proposed Progress reported. 1892 Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NovEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill

PORT OF BRISBANE AUTHORITY ACT port since the inception of th.e Port AMENDMENT BILL Authority. Sir Charles can now w1th con­ tent look forward to the opening of the new SECOND READING port complex within a matter of a few months. On behalf of the Government,_ I Hon. M. D. HOOPER (Townsville West­ would like to thank Sir Charles very sm­ Minister for Maritime Services and Tourism) cerely for the role he has played in this (9.46 p.m.): I move- major development. "That the Bill be now read a second There is nothing further I wish to say time." at this stage. Due to the timing of the In my introduction of the Bill, I fully introduction of the measure, debate at the detailed the measures contained in the Bill. introductory stage was rather restricted, and I would reiterate that the principal provisions honourable members will no doubt wish to of the Bill relate to the appointment of have more to say during the second-reading members of the Port Authority and the and Committee stages. I look forward to po\\ er of the Minister to issue directions hearing their comments. to the Port Authority on policy matters where such need might arise. As I stated yesterday evening, the present method of Mr. BURNS (Lytton) (9.49 p.m.): This seeking out panels of names from various Bill I am sure should be called the Brian associations for the appointment of mem­ Badlie Bill. It 'is obvious that it has been bers, whilst useful when the authority was designed to allow him to create a monopoly first constituted, is considered to be unneces­ not only in the port of Brisbane but finally sarily cumbersome for dealing with the in all the ports of this State. I claim that triennial reappointment of the authority. he has bought that monopoly. The $250 000 that he gave to the Bjelke-Petersen The honourable member for Cairns said Fou~dation has bought him a position from in effect there should be no difficulties in which he will be able to manipulate the obtaining panels of names from the various membership of the board. He will do that associations and organisations. This may be through the Premier. He will t~II t~e so with some of these bodies, but with others Premier what he wants, the Prem1er will which represent a number of different tell the Minister and Cabinet, and they will entities or businesses it is not so straight­ do what they are told. Brian Baillie will not forward. They have to sort out between only be able to control the Port of B_risbane these entities the names to be submitted, Authority; he will also be able to mampul~te, and it could thus become a contentious issue to the detriment of the people, the pnces for these groups each time the authority is and costs of goods coming in and out of the due for reconstitution. port. There is no need for this formal canvassing One of the reasons why the Government arrangement for future appointments to the is changing the Act is the rather dramatic Port Authority, but as I have already stated resignation of Alderman Frank Sleeman, t?-e !he names recently submitted by the various Lord Mayor of Brisbane, from the ~utho~1ty !lssociations will be taken into consideration in April this year because of the way m wh1ch when recommending members for appoint­ the Government stood over the board and ment to the Port Authority under the new directed it to back down on the decisions provisions contained in the Bill. Also, it had made in relation to the container where a particular need arises, the Govern­ terminal. At that time, Mr. Sleeman said ment will wish to consult interested groups that the Government had threatened to sack on the selection of a member, and the Bill the Port of Brisbane Authority because it leaves it open to the Minister to arrange refused to alter a decision on the lease of this consultation where he so wishes. Fisherman Islands' wharf facilities. He said It will become apparent to those who that the monopoly control under the terr~s have studied the Bill that the reappointment proposed by B.W.W.D. and A.N.L.-that 1s, of Sir Charles Barton as a member of the the Baillie consortium-would add $2,000,000 Port Authority will not be permitted under a year to the cost of goods landed at the the new legislation, because of the age port. Alderman Sleeman said, "In the limitation for members of 70 years. I would authority's guide-lines, we were asked. t?, like to take this opportunity to pay a tribute discourage monopoly control, and we d1d. to Sir Charles Barton for the manner in Before checking through the history, I which he has carried out his duties as mem­ think we ought to look at some of the ber and chairman of the authority since 1ts inception in December 1976. I am sure that newspaper editorials in those days. The honourable members will appreciate that a ",Telegraph" said at that time-- lot of sheer hard work devolved upon Sir "Strong suggestions have been. n:ade Charles as the first chairman of the authority that Mr. Bjelke-Petersen personally ms1sted in bringing the new port at Fisherman that Cabinet override the authority's Islands into its present advanced stage of recommendation." construction. I am aware of the long hours Sir Charles has put into this difficult task I should add that no-one denied such a and the great interest he has taken in the story. No-one denies these days that the Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill 1893

Premier is a one-man band in this State and with the port authority as one of the share­ that there is a one-man control of Cabinet. holders. Two applications were received, the The "Telegraph" editorial continued- first from Brisbane Wharves and Wool "If these suspicions are well-based, there Dumping Pty. Ltd. and the Australian are worrying similarities to the Tarong National Line, and the second from Associ­ Power House decision last year when ated Container Transportation (Australia) Cabinet, at the Premier's demand, over­ Ltd. ruled the recommendation from a Minister The port authority, after discussing these and an independent authority." proposals, decided to look at leasehold I should imagine that the Government will arrangements, and in March 1978 it invited do something about that authority event­ proposals to operate under the lease. The ually. The editorial continued- same two, B.W.W.D. and A.C.T.A., applied. "Decisions like these are all the more The proposals submitted by A.C.T.A. did not disturbing in the context of the continuing strictly conform because it did not submit any claims that Queensland is virtually a one­ investment proposal, but it submitted a party, even a one-man, State." management proposal. After a close study of the proposals, the Port of Brisbane I remind the House of the one-man North Authority, the experts appointed by the Gov­ Brisbane Hospitals Board, when the hospitals ernment, thought it would be better for board elected to represent various sections the port authority to construct a facility of the community decided that it would and then appoint management contractors. stand on its own two feet. I also remind B.W.W.D. said it was not interested in man­ honourable members of the one-man admini­ aging the facilities; it wanted to control stration of the Gold Coast, when the Gold them. That is the question. It wanted to Coast City Council did not toe the line, control them, but A.C.T.A. said that it was probably because it did not agree with some interested in managing. The port authority of the rezonings for people who were making recommended to Cabinet that negotiations donations to the various political parties with A.C.T.A. commence. that manipulate the Government. I suggest that if a number of other boards in the Mr. Brian BailEe, the managing director State do not toe the political line of those of Brisbane Wharves and Wool Dumping, who have donated to the Bjelke-Petersen heavily lobbied Cabinet members who, res­ foundation, they, too, will be altered and ponding to party donations and lobbying, the restrictions that are being placed on tried to put blocks in the way of negotiations. this board, and the changes that are being As a delaying tactic, they persuaded Cabinet made in this instance, will become a regular to appoint Hungerford, Spooner & Co., feature of amending Bills. accountants, to carry out an independent survey of the port authority's negotiations Mr. Yewdale: It is quite apparent that with A.C.T.A. and B.W.W.D./A.N.L. The the Liberals are toeing the line. report by a Mr. Tucker of that firm found the port authority's action was correct and Mr. BURNS: Of course, the Liberals have supported negotiations with A.C.T.A. always toed the line. From time to time, I now refer to a "Telegraph" newspaper four or five of them might cross the floor front-page story of 24 April 1979 headed, of the House and beat their breasts and "New Facts on Port Row". 'I'he "Telegraph" pretend that they are concerned about what had a copy of the confidental report from Mr. Bjelke-Petersen does; but on every Hungerfords. The journalist, Mr. Quentin occasion, when it comes down to the nitty­ Dempster said- gritty matters such as this involving monopo­ lies as against free enterprise and competition, "Hungerfords strongly recommended they cave in. They do not believe in free that the stevedoring rights go to enterprise. Associated Container Transportation Ltd. (A.C.T.A.)." Mr. Bourke interjected. The report states that Hungerfords recom­ mended tha,t the authority cannot, in the Mr. BURNS: The honourable member public interest, put the control of the new does not believe in free enterprise. I have termina'l facilities into the hands of the watched the story on the Milk Bill; I have Hamilton operator, B.W.W.D., that is, Mr. watched the story on the Bread Bill, under Baillie. I am now reading from Hunger­ which the Government is wiping out com­ ford's report, which continues- petition and creating monopolies, as it is "This aspect alone must disqualify in this case. On each occasion, the stories B.W.W.D./A.N.L. but their proposal, in that members of the Liberal Party have any event, provides a higher tariff, a more told the people of Queensland about believing complex rate structure and a greater in free enterprise and competition have been labour complement at an average cost not just so much rubbish. indicative of a separate industrial arrange­ I should like to recap some of the history ment for Fisherman Islands. of Mr. Baillie and give the reasons why I "Certainly they are prepared to 'invest believe that the Bill is now before the House. ·capital but it is more fitting for the Port In November 1977, the Port of Brisbane Authority to invest that capital if it Authority issued invitations to companies wants to engage in only a 10-year arrange­ to submit proposals to form a consortium ment." 1894 Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill

Hungerfords was appointed by the Govern­ not properly quoted or reported. Some of ment because Baillie could see that he was them wrote to the por·t authority expressing not to get control of the port. After their concern at Roberts's report. Hungenfords~the independent group-had studied the whole question it agreed with I shall now quote two newspaper stories to prove what I am saying. The first appeared the Government's advisers~with the port authority-and brought down the report that in the "Telegraph" on 2 April 1979- was published for all to see in the news­ "The United Graziers Association and papers of the day. the Brisbane Chamber of Commerce today olaimed thM prices of goods landed in The next delaying tactic was a Cabinet­ Brisbane would rise because of the Queens­ appointed select committee of top public land Government's decision on the new servants. This committee reported to the port of Brisbane. Treasury and, contrary to Bai11ie's and his "The claim followed reports that the bought Cabinet Ministers' expectations, it did Premier, Mr. Bjelke-Petersen, and Cabinet not find that the port authority's actions were had overturned a Port of Brisbane wrong. Again, for the second time the Authority recommendation that Associa­ Government used delaying tactics by asking ted Container Transporta,tion Australia people to investigate what had been going Ltd. (A.C.T.A.) have stevedoring rights on, and again the investigators found for the over the new multi million dollar container port authority. terminal. As a result of National Party pressure, "Speaking from Townsville today, another committee was appointed by Cabinet U.G.A. president, Mr. John Heussler, said under the chairmanship of Sir Sidney Cabinet's decision would give monopoly Roberts, a grazier and well-known National control of the port to one group." Party stooge. The Nat·iona.J Party works on the principle that, to get a favourable That shows that the U.G.A. was opposed decision, one appoints a chairman who knows to it. Mr. Roberts, being a grazier but, nothing about the proposal. It therefore unfortunately, also a National Party stooge, appointed Roberts. Roberts carried out went ahead with his recommendation. what can only be called a sham, incom­ On 31 March 1979, Mr. Peter Morley petent invesigation. His report was secret reported in "The Courier-Mail" as follows­ and was not available to members of the port authority. " 'Somersault' over port contract angers shippers. Roberts told authority members, when he "Shipping agents have complained to the was asked whom he had interviewed in State Government over its decision to carrying out this inquiry, that he had tele­ grant a Brisbane Wharves and Wool Dump­ phoned a meat exporter-a meat exporter! ing consortium stevedoring rights to the He did not say who it was but he said new container port." that this meat exporter said things were all right. That is a wonderful investigation! It would be true to say that Roberts carried That is the type of statement that Roberts out some sort of investigation, but he did made to the authority members. The Minister not go into the A.C.T.A. proposal. He is wondering whether or not it was a sham. vaguely sought comments from some people Let me prove what I am saying. Roberts who were involved, but did not accurately was delightfully vague. He made fur.ther report the comments of all these bodies. vague and unsubstantiated comments. He talked about shipping interests expressing A report from the "Telegraph" of 4 satisfaction with the services of B.W.W.D. April 1979 read- But B.W.W.D. had publicly tried to excuse "Import and export agents today warned charges of inefficiency at its up-river terminal, of a likely shipping boycott of the port of the one it currently operates, by blaming the Brisbane over State Cabinet's decision on authority or claiming that it lacked land in control of the port. the area. Whilst, on the one hand, Roberts "The warning was in a letter to the was saying that people were satisfied, on the Premier, Mr. Bjelke-Petersen, from Mr. other hand B.W.W.D. was admiHing that it Athol Flynn, president of the Customs was having problems at its own terminal. Agents Association of Queensland. Roberts supposedly carried out an indepen­ "The letter described as incredible dent investigation. He did not contact Cabinet's decision to reverse a Port A.C.T.A., the people whom the port Authority recommendation that Associated authority had recommended, but he talked Container Transportation Austra·Iia Ltd. to B.W.W.D./ A.N.L. He did not contaot (A.C.T.A.) have stevedoring rights on the representatives of the major shipping com­ new container terminal at Fisherman pany. One authority member represents Islands. interests with $500,000,000 invested in ship­ "The 40 members of the Queensland ping to Brisbane. These interests were not Customs Agents Association handle more consulted by Roberts. The United Gmziers' than 80 per cent of all goods handled Associat·ion, the Queensland Meat Exporters' through the Port of Brisbane. Association and the Chamber of Shipping "The associat·ion's letter to Mr. Bjelke­ all supported the port authority; but they Petersen said: 'Our understanding is that were not consulted or, if they \Vere, they were the recommendation of the Port Authority Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill 1895

on the operation of the port has been lecture on socialism under !Labor in 1956 and rejected by Cabinet in favour of a report private enterprise under this coalition Gov­ commissioned and carried out indepen­ ernment. The public servants-the experts dently by the National Party of Aus­ who had been appointed-were being lectured tra-lia'." by an outside party member, in the presence of the Premier, and the funny decisions came That was by Mr. Roberts, of course. The from there. The board members were told article continued- by the Premier that they should favourably " 'We have no objection to political consider the BaiHie/B.W.W.D./ A.N.L. pro­ parties carrying out investigations in the posals. I want to know what sort of dona­ ·interests of those they may represent. In tions B.W.W.D., A.N.L. or Baillie have fact we welcome it.' made to the Joh fund. I am told that it is $250,000. "However, the letter said, 'we find it incredible that a committee could carry Mr. WHARTON: I rise to a point of out such an inquiry and pronounce findings order. I wonder can the honourable member without consulting those who carry on the substantiate what he is saying? I am sure business of the port and who are most he cannot. I object to what he is saying affected by 1ts viability'." because I do not think he can sub&tantiate Remember that I am quoting from the it. association's letter, which continued- " 'If consulted by the National Party Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr. W. D. committee we would have reported instan­ Hewitt): Order! There is no point of order. ces of our clients electing to no longer ship through Brisbane, but to d·istribute Mr. BURNS: I most certainly can sub­ their goods through Sydney. stantiate it. "'We would have suggested that the Mr. Wharton: You would say that? prime reason for this decline, quite uncharacteristic of Queensland industries, Mr. BURNS: Yes, this is a matter of is the increasing and unwilling dependence public record. I am taking this out of the on an unconcerned autocratic monopoly newspapers of this State. This was not and its unholy alliance with particular denied. In fact, I made the point in a sections of the waterfront unions.' speech in the debate on Matters of Public "The letter attacked the P. and 0. Interest, and while the Premier hopped up group's .. .'' and down and took a few points of order, he did not deny the accusations I made. That is Bai11ie's group. Baillie is chairman The Minister for Works and Housing cannot of P. & 0., the Australian subsidiary of the deny them on the Premier's behalf. English group. Baillie is the chairman of B.W.W.D. Baillie is the chairman of the Mr. WHARTON: I rise to a point of consortium B.W.W.D./ A.N.L. The article order. I object to the statement made by continued- the honourable member. I doubt that it is . . . involvement in the port. It true-- accused the company of seeking to domin­ ate and monopolise the port. Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! There "This was stifling true free enterprise is no point of order. and increasing costs to all Queenslanders." Mr. BURNS: Thank you, Mr. Deputy In the light of all of those attacks by the Speaker. U.G.A., the Chamber of Commerce and So we ha\'e the situation where these Customs Agents of Queensland, and the 'enior members of the port authority recommendations from Hungerford, the reported back to the board that thev were public servants and the port authority experts shocked, and at one stage all but one mem­ that this Parliament appointed, what hap­ ber of the authority considered resigning. pened? Roberts, who is not an elected mem­ These people went back to the board and ber of ParEament or anybody responsible to those who were Government supporters this Parliament, told them in the Premier's talked about the party and how Roberts had office that they had to do· as they were told. told them the party wanted it that way; that He gave them a lecture on free enterprise and socialism. They were directed to come eYen though they had carried out 14 months to the Premier's office to talk to him. Here of investigations they had to do what they is the free-enterprise National Party enforc­ were told because the party wanted it that ing the bodgie Roberts report. way. Most board members were aware of this, but felt that the Government would On the morning of the Premier's testi­ not let them down. They felt that the Gov­ monial dinner, the port authority chairman, ernment would not place the authority in the general manager and others from the the position of making it a tame-cat party board were called into the Premier's office body, but tonight it is being done exactly and were told that they should take notice that way. The port authority then had to of what Sid Roberts had to say. Sid Roberts, make a decision, and it wrote back to the in the Premier's company, gave them a Minister and said that it would not cop 1896 Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill

what the Premier had tried to tell it to do. will be no way that any separate group will I am told that the port authority's letter be able to make its own nomination to this said this- board. The Act provides that the port "Having reconsidered its resolution of authoritv shall consist of nine members 28-6-78 that approval be sought to negoti­ ordinarily resident within Queensland, ate a lease with ACT (A) to operate the being- Fisherman Islands Container Terminal " the Director for the time being of within the framework of the offer that the Department of Harbours and Marine has been made, the Authority is still of who shall be a member ex officio;" (John the opinion that this is the correct decision. Leech) "The Authoritv draws the Minister's "the General Manager for the time being attention to the urgency of being allowed of the Port Authority, who shall be a to proceed with the Development of No. 1 member ex officio;" (he is well known) Container Terminal. The Authority wishes "one person nominated by the Brisbane to be allowed to continue its negotiation Oversea Wharfowners Association on with ACf (A) which it commenced behalf of all owners of wharves in the following the Cabinet decision of 16 port ... " (Mr. Brian Baillie, the chairman October 1978." of directors of B.W.W.D.) "one person nominated on behalf of On 20 February 1979 in a minute Cabinet businesses engaged in the operation of the decided that Decision No. 29930 of 19 port (not being the owner of a wharf October 1978 be rescinded and directed that in the port) ... " (Captain Peter Dann) the Minister for Maritime Services and "three persons nominated on behalf of Tourism convev the views of Cabinet to associations representative of and associ­ the Port of Brishane Authority, namely, that ated with trade or commerce generally ... " the Port of Brisbane Authority enter into (Gordon Fraser, general manager of Luya negotiations with Brisbane Wharves and Julius, Merv Phillips, general manager of Wool Dumping Pty. Ltd. The Premier the Queensland Wheat Board, and I am directed the authority to do just that. The sorry that I do not have the third name Cabinet minute shows that that is what in my list) Baillie wanted, and that is what Baillie got. He ordered all these investigations, and he "one person nominated by The South said himself in "The Courier-Mail"- Eastern District Local Government Association ... " (the Lord Mayor) "When I realised what the staff were doing I went to all sorts of people, and "one person nominated on behalf of finally I went political." authorised labour ..." (Doug Pye). That is the present composition of the board. I want t0 know how many other people As I understand it, in future the Minister will have been able to get that service. I believe pick out nine people. I suggest that probably that Mr. Baillie bought his way into people like Pye and Sleeman, who take a monopoly control. l also believe that that line different from that taken by Baillie and is not all he wants from this Government Bjelke-Petersen, will not be reappointed to for the donation he has made to National the board. Party funds. I make no bones about it; as far as I am concerned, he will be asking Let me look at some of the boards that for a lot more before this is over. When have been established. The first is the Bread the staff \\'ere prepared to stand up to Industry Committee. The Bill setting up that Baillie, he launched an attack on them. If committee was assented to on 31 March 1979. anyone doubts that Baillie talked about the The members of the board consist of three problems he had and how he went out and persons representing the bread manufacturers, canvassed political people, it is in the news­ one person representing bread retailers, and paper for anyone to read. He said that he one person representing bread consumers. had to look at the anti-free enterprise elements apparently working within the Now I look at the Fish Board. There is port authority's administration. I wonder a chairman and not fewer than three persons whether anv of the clauses of the Bill which nominated by the Minister from a panel refer to ex- officio officers are meant to deal of seven. One at least shall reside in the part with the members of the staff whom Baillie of the State lying north of the 22nd para­ wants to get rid of. The member of the llel of south latitude, one shall reside in the board, who is appointed to represent the part of the State lying south of the 22nd wharf-owners had to reply in the newspapers parallel of south latitude, and not fewer than defending the stall:' against the attack by three persons nominated by the Minister from Baillie. The point here is that the membership other areas of the State. Again, they are and representation of this board is being people from the various organisations. Then altered because the Government says that it there is the Central Sugar Cane Prices has decided to change the rules. Board. The members consist of a cane growers' representative, a mill-owners' repre­ Let us have a look at some of the other sentative, a qualified sugar chemist and a boards that the Government has appointed. person experienced in accountancy and audit. As I read the Bill, in future the local It is all spelt out. I refer then to the authority will not be represented. There Tobacco Quota Committee. There are three Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NoVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill 1897 representatives of the tobacco producers, who of Brisbane Authority. Alderman Frank shall be nominated by the State board. Under Sleeman represented not only the Brisbane the Primary Producers' Organisation and City Council but also the contiguous shires Marketing Acts, there is a Council of Agri­ covering areas such as Redcliffe, Esk and culture consisting of representatives from Moreton. However, the honourable members all of these boards: the Atherton Tableland for Sandgate and Port Curtis assure me Maize Marketing Board; the Barley Market­ that they will go into that matter further. ing Board; the Broom Millet Marketing By the contiguous shires I mean the councils Board; the Butter Marketing Board; the of the cities of Ipswich and Redcliffe and Cheese Marketing Board; the Cotton Market­ the shires of Albert, Beaudesert, Esk, More­ ing Board; the Egg Marketing Board and the ton, Pine Rivers and Redlands. All of Central Queensland Egg Marketing Board; those local authorities were represented on the Ginger Marketing Board; the Navy Bean this board by the Lord Mayor. Marketing Board and the Northern Pig When the Government decides to leave Marketing Board. But we change this autho­ off the representative of the local auth­ rity where Baillie puts money in the hand. orities, it removes a person who should There is no right of selection any more. have a vital say in a lot of the matters I could refer to the Milk Board and to other that the board will carry out in the electorate boards. This has been happening with all of Lytton and the city of Brisbane, as they of these boards. In this instance, when some will be subject to the ordinances of the money changes hands, when the Bjelke­ Brisbane City Council and subject to the Petersen Foundation comes on the scene, control of local authorities. In that regard there is a complete change. This is a retro­ I mention roads, the supply of water, sewer­ grade step. age and other services-essential services to that board. I know that some members Mr. WHARTON: I rise to a point of order. of the board have said that the Lord Mayor The honourable member for Lytton said that played a very vital role in its operations. his allegation had not been denied previously. I suggest to the Government that someone I deny that this happened. I am not going who represents the people of Brisbane is to stay here and listen to this sort of thing. needed on the board so that facts are made I deny it. It hasn't been bandied around. available to the community. One cannot take notice of the Press. On a number of occasions I have written Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr. W. D. to the board in relation to the roads that Hewitt): Order! There is no point of order. will service the port. On 23 March this year I wrote to the then Minister for Mari­ Mr. BURNS: There are a number of other time Services and Tourism about the problems things associated with this authority. What of road traffic to and from the port. He this Government is introducing here tonight replied to me that road-works and improve­ is Cabinet government. The Cabinet is a ments in the metropolitan area are within the puppet of the Premier. He controls Cabinet. province of the Brisbane City CounciL So The port authority will be subservient to the roads are the responsibility of the Brisbane whims and the fancies of Cabinet, which is City Council. Without any local authority ill-advised by a professional political lobbyist. representation the Port of Brisbane Author­ The professional political lobbyist is the ity can make decisions for which the rate­ director of P. & 0., a subsidiary of an payers of this city have to pay. overseas company. Mr. Baillie's only aim is Someone may say that the people of to establish his own company with a complete Queensland can act on the advice given to monopoly of the container industry in them by this Parliament. In relation to the capital city port and extend that mono­ that I quote an answer of the Minister for poly to the whole of the State. Local Government and Main Roads on 9 I refer to the other board that we have March 1977 to a question asked by the set up just recently, the Gold Coast Water­ member for Bulimba. In that regard I will wavs Authority. A gentleman by the name also quote a letter of 6 July 1977 from of · Williams was appointed as chairman of the Minister for Maritime Services and that authority after making a large donation Tourism to me. The member for Bulimba to the National Party. He was appointed asked- to that position after making a public dona­ " When the new port for Brisbane tion to the National Party at a fancy dinner. becomes operational, what is the anticipated I challenge the Government to deny that. increase in traffic density in the suburbs The Government can denv it as much as it of Momingside, Bulimba, Hawthorne and likes, but the people of Brisbane, every Norman Park? wharf-owner, every ship-owner and everyone associated with the port knows that Baillie "What effect will it have on traffic was able to manipulate the Premier and the noise at night in these suburbs?" Cabinet in relation to this deal. Part of the answer from the Minister is as A number of other things associated with follows- the port of Brisbane must be mentioned. "Were the facilities at Fisherman This amending Bill being debated tonight Islands not constructed, it is predicted will remove the Brisbane City Council and that in 1991 . . . the traffic volume in local authority representation from the Port Wynnum Road from Norman Creek to 1898 Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NovEMBER 1979] Act Ameudment Bill

Junction Road would reach 55,000 vehicles So the Government had consultants analysing per day and in Junction Road 16,500 the potential of dust control at Fisherman vehicles per day. Islands. He also told me- "With the construction of the new port "The stockpiles are located approxi­ the comparable 1991 traffic figures are mately 8 kilometres distant from the near­ 58,500 vehicles per day and 20,000 vehicles est residents in Wynnum North. The pre­ per day ... vailing breezes, in excess of ten knots in "Of the additional 3,500 vehicles per this area, at night time and in the early day, it is anticipated some 1,150 per day morning are from the south-west, and dur­ will be trucks." ing the afternoon are from the south-east". In his letter to me the Minister for Maritime He could tell me all of that information; Services and Tourism stated that the traffic consultants were carrying out studies; but on the Story Bridge in 1990-91 will be Lamond 11 months later was saying that 184,879 vehicles a day; in Wynnum Road, they were not included or planned at that East Brisbane, 100,297 vehicles a day; and in stage. Lamond was deliberately misleading Wynnum Road, Morningside, 65,658. The the people down there, and that letter signed Minister for Maritime Services and Tourism "T. G. Newberry, Minister for Tourism and said. that Wynnum Road would carry 65,658 l'v1arine Services" proves it. veh1cles a day. However, two months earlier we were told there would be 58,500 vehicles Those misleading figures to this House a day. That is a difference of 7,100 fewer either by the Minister in answer to the ques­ vehicles a day in the estimates of two Gov­ tion or in a letter in answer to me shO\vs that ernment departments about the same road. we were getting all sorts of answers out of One said there would be an extra 3,500 that board. I believe that the people of Bris­ vehicles a day in relation to the port and bane are entitled to a representative on the another said 5,712 vehicles a day. Surely with board. We are entitled to have somebody figures like that being bandied about in an there to represent the area that is going to answer in the Parliament and a letter from a be affected by the port; to represent the Minister-two months apart; two different people \Yho will have to pay the rates to Government Ministers. We have a prime deliver the services to the po,rt; to represent reason why we need a representative of the the people who will be involved in the council on the board. I believe that my development of the road. colleague from Wynnum, Eric Shaw, who was then an alderman, at one sta<>e There is talk about the road itself. The was considered as being the representati~e access from the port up Lytton Road goes on the board. Howe1er, Bill Lamond, who as far as Junction Road at Morningside. The was the member for the area at the time­ Commonwealth has given money that the the temporary member of Parliament for the council is using to widen the road, but no-one area-decided that Eric should not be there is worried about the additional 5,700 trucks and, as I understand it, he lobbied the Gov­ and cars that will travel up and down that ernment to ensure that, if the Brisbane Citv road each day. What will happen to them Council or the local authorities were to have when thcv reach the corner of Junction representation, it was not to be him. Road? No--one is worried about it at all. The Federal Government savs, "That is the end Let me talk for a moment about some of of it." - the other stories about Mr. Lamond. I want to. show the House again how people were Mr. Warburton: No-one is worried about misled on this issue. I will quote from two it except the council. sources for the information of honourable members. On 27 July in the "\Vynnum­ !\fr. BURNS: Yes, except the council and Redlands Herald" Mr. Lamond had a story the ratepayers \vho will have to pay the headed "Coal loading a long way off" in charges. which he w:ts reported as saving that, although the new Brisbane port development Mr. Deputy Speaker, you know as well as was capable of providing coal-loadina facili­ I do that traffic will start to flow down Creek ties, they were not included or pla~ned at Road, through the area where you live. that stage. I repeat that he said that coal­ Traffic will t-1ow down Bennetts Road and loading facilities were not included or planned nnke its wav to the Gold Coast. It will go off at that stage. However, on 2 August 1976, 11 down Kiana::..·ah Road and other local council months earlier the Minister at that time (the roads. Some of them that have been developed Honourable T. G. Newberry) writina to me by the council are virtually main roads, but on this matter, said in the fou~th paragraph- the council has received no Government "The proposed exports from Brisbane money for them. Yet the Government has would be coal mined in the West Moreton the temerity to come before this House coal fields and on the Darling Downs." tonight and suggest that names submitted by the local authority representing the people­ He then went on to advise me- the ratepayers who will be involved in those "Our consultants, assisted by experts in costs-should be excluded from the list. That the field of dust control from stockpiles is one of the first amendments. I believe that have analysed the potential problem at th~ that is not good enough; that the people of Fisherman Island." Brisbane are entitled to a little bit more than Port of Brisbane Authorily [22 NOVEMBER 1979) Act Amendment Bill 1899

that. The Liberal members of Parliament Geographically, Brisbane is the most suit­ who represent seats in Brisbane and vote for able site for a large ship-repair facility that are dumping the citizem of this city. because of the changes in the pattern of They are saying to them, "You are not Australia's development, particularly in the entitled to it." The National Party is able to mining industry. All the large bulk carriers manipulate them and tell them what thev operating on the Australian coast pass Bris­ have to do. · bane during their operations. These include The Bill also refers to Cairncross Dock. the iron-ore ships as well as the bauxite ·when we talk about that dock, we have to and alumina ships on the Queensland coast. talk about some other problems in the river The growing improvement in the South-East itself. One of the reasons for the development Asian, Japanese and United States trade fav­ of the new port at the mouth of the river was ours traffic along the eastern coast, and the decision that we were spending too much shipping to and from Europe has commenced money on dredging the river itself. There was operating via the Panama route. Brisbane is talk of the millions of dollars that were being therefore well situated to execute emergency spent on dredging. At the time of the first repair work on vessels operating on these debate on this legislation in the Parliament, routes, thus providing an opportunity to 1 raised the matter of what would happen if increase export earnings. Most importantly, we were to save that money by not dredging it would provide greater opportunities of the river any more. That is a question asso-cia­ employment and would ensure that ship­ ted not only with the Cairncross Dock but building and ship-repairing skills were not also with local flooding. There have been lost to Queensland. inquiries into dredging. In fact, I think there is a report by an English group called the Australia has reached its highest level of Wallingford Hydraulic Research Station unemployment since the Great Depression of which carried out an investigation and mad~ the 1930s. In recent months, unemployment a report in 1978. \Ve have~ not heard any has reached an all-time high, and the crisis in more about it, but a $300,0DO study of the the ship-repair industry can be attributed to Brisbane River was carried out to discover ship-owners docking and repairing their ships the dredging necessary to maintain Brisbane in Singapore, Japan, Europe and North as a viable port. I wimt to know the result America. It seems to me that some decisions of that study, because it has something to do have to be made relative to the charges at with the operation of the Cairncross Dock. Cairncross Dock. I understand that some of the charges there are the highest in The question of the Gateway Bridge also Australia. arises because, if a bridge is to be built, the height of the bridge will have a great effect When the New South Wales State Govern­ on the Cairncross Dock, which is up river ment opened a new floating dock worth from \'here the bridge is supposed to be $15,000,000 in Newcastle last year or the built. If a decision has been made to build year before, it decided to reduce the capital a tunnel, obviously some of the problems indebtedness of the dockyard by writing off of dredging associated \vith the tunnel will assets of between $4,000,000 and $5,000,000 be important and I will need to know about where those assets were redundant to the them. I need to know about those things, future activities of the dockyard. That was and most honourable members who live on to cover assets such as ship-building berths the south side of the river also need to know and associated facilities. It also decided that t}1em, because the painters and dockers, the the State would bear the capital debt incurred fitters and those associated with Cairncross in the purchase of the dock and associated Dock itself need to know about the future facilities, which amounted to $15,000,000. of the dock. The dock and facilities were then to be There is no doubt that for some time the leased to the dockyard at an annual rental of ne_wspapers of this country, especially the 10 per cent of the capital cost, but that was sh1ppm!? newspapers, have been saying that not to be collected for the first two financial 1\ustraha lags badly in dry docks. In 1976 years. Under the agreement, the New South ··The Australian" said that Australian drv­ Wales Government could charge a fee of up dock facilities are very limited when cmn­ to 50 per cent of any profit made during the pared with those in other countries. On a two years. When the dockyard is operating number of occasions, I have spoken to at a profit, the New South Wales Govern­ people assc;ciated with the dry dock and ment will introduce a profit-sharing arrange­ asked that 1t be dewloped further. I believe ment between the dockyard, the Government that the Cairncross Dock should be widened and the employees. That seems to me to and lengthened. The building of the new be a way of overcoming problems associated port should improve the viability of such a with charges. proposal, and there are added reasons why both the Commonwealth and State Govern­ As I said, I have been told that the charges ments should come to the assistance of that at Cairncross Dock are fairly high and that dock. F~om the point of view of national one of the reasons why the tragic accident defel!ce, Jt_ :w_ould be better to separate shio­ 1 happened down at the old meatworks wharf repmr fachitles, rather than have them in was that, because of the high charges associ­ one vulnerable point around Sydney and ated with the dock, many people repairing Newcastle. ships tie them up down there rather than at 1900 Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NovEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill

Cairncross Dock. All these matters need raised by the honourable member for Lytton. answering and need to be raised in this In the light of the skills involved, their debate. wages are exorbitant. Perhaps they have As most people know, I am a keen fisher­ rightly earned the nomenclature of "wax­ man. When I was a lad my father frequently works". If a candle were applied to them, took me fishing to the area around the they would burn slowly like the average wrecks at Bishop Island. When the new block of wax. port is developed, Bishop Island will disap­ I am rather sorry for the Minister because pear. When I took my father fishing down he is bearing the weight of one of the the river recently we talked about the grow· Government's heavier millstones around his ing danger caused by the small boats that neck. Because his is a rather new minister­ go past the oil terminals. I was reminded ial neck, I imagine that it will not pull of a story that appeared in "The Sunday lightly on it. I hope that he is strong Mail" of 8 May 1977, which reads- enough to overcome the encumbrance and, "Special measures might be taken to with his background, I am sure he will. keep small boats away from loading tankers I listened carefully to the Minister's in the Brisbane River because of the risk second-reading speech. His rationalisation of explosion. of the reasons for the Bill were indeed "This could be one of the recommenda­ plausible. He made it sound so nice that tions of a special committee which will I felt it could be placed in the category of meet this week to discuss the handling what Ministers are pleased to term machin­ of dangerous cargoes in the port." ery measures. I am always interested to I do not know what usually happens, but hear about "machinery" Bills because one I can say that in our 12-ft. dinghy we could always discovers, two months after they are have run our hands along the side of the passed, that they contain provisions which Ampol tanker while it was unloading with­ are enormously significant. However nice out anyone leaning over the side to tell us the Minister may be, it is rather difficult to get away. to trust his every word. I am not worried I am not having a go at Ampol or anyone by his personality, his character or whatever, else, but it is time that something was done. but I would simply say that I am of the On the dry side of the bollard many signs opinion that we have to read far more into read, "Caution, No Naked Lights", while legislation than we are told about it. I on the other side a man can be sitting say that because I feel sure that in six in his anchored dinghy smoking a cigar. It months' time someone will discover something seems unreasonable to have cautionary signs in this Bill that we were not told was there. on one side of the bollard while safety I asked the Parliamentary Library to precautions are not taken on the other research the background of Brisbane Steve­ side. Maybe the Minister will comment doring and Wool Dumping Pty. Ltd. so that on that in his reply. I could find out if there was any smelly The Opposition is opposed to this Bill. business in the company itself. The Par­ We see it as a Brian Baillie Bill. We will be liamentary Library went through the com­ opposing it at this stage, but we will not pany reports and it seems that, although divide on it. We will be discussing the the company was incorporated in 1905 and measure further in the Committee stage. was originally a wool agent and merchant I will leave further comment until then. and has grown to steadily increase its share­ holding, it is now two large companies. The Mrs. KYBURZ (Salisbury) (10.32 p.m.): pattern was set very early for the major In rising to speak on the amendments to the shareholders who were connected with the Port of Brisbane Authority Act, my first firms. One of the major firms involved was comment is that it is one measure that the Orient Steam Navigation Company. It was Government has moved quickly to amend. the forerunner of P. & 0. It is obvious that the amendments came up during the parliamentary recess and they In 1964, it was decided, for administrative have appeared far too quickly f~r the Gov­ purposes, to separate the company's steve­ ernment to gain a great deal of credibility for doring activities from its wharf and wool the Bill. activities. Accordingly, Brisbane Stevedoring Limited and Brisbane Wharves and Wool Some of the comments made by the hon­ Dumping Pty. Ltd. were formed. So the ourable member for Lytton were carefully major, parent company split. thought out. One could expect that, because the new port will be in his electorate. Indeed In the early 1970s, P. & 0. became the I would expect him to take an ultimate owner of the company by buying intens~ out all the other shareholders. I wonder p~rsonal interest in it. However, many of h1s comments reflected his party's attitude where the Premier was when that giant take­ and his political persuasions. I do not take over bid was made. Perhaps, in those days, umbrage at him for that because that is the take-overs were not fashionable and it slipped obvious thing for most of us to do. his attention. Through P. & 0., Brisbane Wharves and \Vool Dumping is a member of One important component of the costs the Peninsular and Oriental Steam Naviga­ of running any port. in Australia, namely, tion Group, which is a rather large group the wages of waters1de workers, was not incorporated in the United Kingdom under Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill 1901 royal charter, with its head office registered the contract to the consortium comprising in Hong Kong. So one could say that a Brisbane Wharves and Wool Dumping and lot of Asian money is flowing into this the Australian National Line was a political company. That is quite an interesting state surprise not only to a lot of ordinary people of affairs which I do not think has been but to a lot of business people in the mentioned before. community. They obviously expressed their The last financial statement of Brisbane concern to many members, as these con­ Wharves and Wool Dumping deposited with cerns were raised quite often in the party room. the Corporate Affairs Office is dated 1979. It shows that the company has three directors. It is understood that while A.C.T.A.'s They are Brian William Baillie, Douglas trans-ocean terminal charges were slightly William Anderson and Gordon Simpson. I over $130 to load a full export container, hope it is not our Mr. Gordon Simpson. Brisbane Wharves and Wool Dumping will almost certainly charge $160 to load a full The principal activities for the financial ex port container, an increase of almost $30 year 1978-79 were the operation of the per container load. I suggest that that is a company-owned wharves, Hamilton 1, 2, 3 large amount when one considers the flow and 4. The net profit of $658,000 was not of containers through the new port. extraordinarily large. It is of extreme interest that P. & 0. of Australia is not I believe that a glimpse back through some a pavt-owner but the total owner. of the Press clippings relating to this matter is imperative simply because so many have I have perused the balance sheet, and the already been refer,red to, and that, as we unappropriated profits in 1977 amounted to did not have an oppontunity to speak at $2,500,000 and in 1978, $2,850,000. Once the introductory stage, now is the time to again, they are not extraordinarily large do it. The first clipping I have here is profits. I imagine that, a~ter the amortisation headlined, "Price rise feared over port of the amount put into new developments, move". I suggest that the fear over the not a great deal of that profit would be Iek price rise is based on fact. This cutting st,ates The recent constroversy over the steve­ that the United Graziers' Association and doring rights of the new Brisbane container the Bri&bane Chamber of Commerce claimed terminal has been rather interesting. I went that the price of goods landed in Brisbane through the Press reports and gleaned the would rise because of the Government's nice, little, nit-picking sentences that one decision on the new port of Brisbane. It went on to state that negotiations between tends to find in going through that sort the authority and B.W.W.D. were continuing of material. It comes down to the fact that in line with the Cabinet decision, and that there has been a great deal of bickering the B.W.W.D. proposal would cost an extra over the port authority, particularly during $2,000,000 in one year. the last year. That is where my concern lies because it is obvious that this Bill is designed That figure is repeated in every newspaper to keep the Lord Mayor of Brisbane off the a~

nothing more can really be said about it, Import and export agents have warned except that it was overturned by an expert the Government of this intended boycott. committee of the National Par,tv. I think Indeed, they have warned the Government that is a rather coy \vay of saying it. The of the enormous increases in cost that the members of the committee are probably quite new port authority will impose on the port delightful old fellows. One would hope that and on the import and export agents-all Sir Sidney Roberts, Mr. Peter Addison and because of the Government's recommenda­ Mr. Murray Adams must have some sort of tion in favour of B.W.W.D./A.N.L. expertise in this field. Af,ter all, why would Cabinet have acted on the advice of this Further, I think that the resignation of National Party special committee? I suggest the Lord Mayor from the authority prob­ that, if the Cabinet did act wholly and solely ably shocked quite a few people. Obviously on its advice, it is quite superficial to have he resigned simply because he saw the new a Public Service struoture in this State. The port authority as having absolutely no Public Service is just there as window-dres­ weight, which is probably the case. The sing. Obviously these "expert committees" make these very important decisions. authority members were obviously under the vague impression that they had some weight. The committee studied the proposals and In that respect I feel rather sorry for them; recommended in favour of B.W.W.D. This they should have known better. report goes on to state that the particular Minister at that time warned Cabinet of the The next Press release I wish to mention huge industrial backlash against the Govern­ quotes the Premier as saying that the port is ment if the B.W.W.D. was granted a a free enterprise. I remember the Premier's monopoly control of the port. Obviously, reading this out to the House. He stated that we are still waiting for that backlash. State Cabinet had referred the matter to the Maybe everything is quiet at this particular co-ordinating and review committee for a time. report. That committee, which was under the Co-ordinator-General's Department, came up However, Mr. Baillie made the comment with a finding unacceptable to the Premier. that he could only "presume" that he was The finding was that because of the totally referred to in the Henderson report and different bases of the submissions, that is, the that the personal attacks in that report previous two submissions, and the unknowns referred to him. ·what a cov little state­ involved, particularly labour rates and the ment to make! Obviously, he ·i~ a Yery shy roster system to be used, it was difficult to man. make a positive recommendation. Because of those unknowns, that is a particularly valu­ The next Press rdea'e refers to what a able statement. Mr. G. Fraser, the port authority's deputy chairman, said. He '"lid that the port board Because of them, the co-ordinating and staff was loyal and competent, and that Mr. review committee was unable to say whether Baillie's descent to denigration of the Port in fact B.W.W.D. or A.C.T.A. should have of Brisbane AuthoritY ;nd defence of his the rights to the terminal. However, the own vested interests "was regrettable. Premier went on to say that because of that inability he would not accept the report of I take the opportunity now to demand the co-ordinating and review committee. He that Mr. Baillie not be reappointed to the then pointed out that the B.W.W.D./ A.N.L. port authority. He 5hould resign as of proposal provide for a capital outlay of tonight, because not only has he a pecuniary $5,500,000 in fixed assets, whereas A.C.T.A. interest in the port authority but, as my made no such provision. The Minister should colleague the member for Wavell has pointed expand upon that statement, because out to me, it is his whole business as well. A.C.T.A. claims that it did make provision The fact that he is still on the Port of for capital involvement. However, I have Brisbane Authority S3Y" little for his integrity. been unable to find out what that was. That He simply must re

He said he had resigned as a personal pro­ may have fooled her compatriots in this test, from a position to which he was House; but he certainly did not fool the appointed as a private citizen. I do not believe Opposition. he was appointed as a private citizen; I say he was appointed as the Lord Mayor and as the The honourable member for Salisbury representative of the South Eastern District expressed her interest in the fact that people Local Government Association. may be appointed to the authority even though they have vested interests in the I know the member for Sandgate is waiting port of Brisbane. If she had taken the in the wings and that he will follow me but opportunity to read the Bill, she may have will not accept interjections. I am sure he described clause 5 (which repeals sections will read a speech that was prepared for 8 to 10) a' the Baillie amendment. Under him by the Public Relations Department of that amendment, all the person has to do is the Brisbane City Council. declare his or her interest, not stand aside Mr. Yewdale: I know that Mr. Frawley because of it. I suggest to the honourable prepared your speech. member for Salisbury that the term "Baillie amendment" i' very appropriate indeed when Mrs. KYBURZ: I can assure the member applied to that clause. for Rockhampton North that I am reading my own scribble. Mrs. Kyburz: The point I made was that Because the speech of the member for Mr. Bail!ie does not have only a pecuniary interest; that that description does not go Sandgate will be one prepared by the Bris­ far enough. bane City Council, it will be ward-perfect. That member never accepts interjections, as he might lose his place. I object to the mem­ Mr. WARBURTON: I support that con­ ber's voicing the attitude of the Lord Mayor, cept totally. I am simply indicating that particularly from a speech prepared at rate­ that amending clause in the Bill was payers' expense. specially designed to suit circumstances similar to Mr. Baillie's. My last comment is that I disagree entirely with the Government's attitude of "We pay, Since assuming his responsibility for mari­ time services, the Minister has not had exactly we say." In other words, the Government an easy ride and probably deserved some says that it controls the purse-strings, and sympathy in the early stages for the way in therefore the people. I do not agree with that which he wa-; loaded with problems not philosophy; it is a philosophy of entire and of his making. However, he certainly does utter socialism in the respect that everything not deserve any sympathy for this Bill. is controlled simply because the Government Once it is examined closely-the honour­ controls the purse-strings. I would remind able member for Lytton, of course, was some Ministers that the money with which very concise in his outline of past events they are playing so happily is the people's -it is re.-ealed as a Bill that is obnoxious money. It is taxation money. It is money to anybody who knows the history of the which should be given out happily to various matter to date. Despite the Minister's authorities and departments on the basis of endeavour to give the impression that the need, and need only. Of course, one knows selection and appointment of authority mem­ that in politics need often takes about tenth bers is to be fair and above board, I can place down the line after greed, philosophy, assure him that members of the Opposition, financial reasons and so on. who speak from experience in this, will However, as my last comment I make the believe it onlv when we see evidence of it point that I do not agree with the philosophy, through democratic provisions in the Port "We pay, we say." I think that the Lord of Brisbane Authority Act. Certainly the Mayor of Brisbane, whomever he or she Opposition does not believe that the pro­ may be, should be on the Port of Brisbane posed amendments are in keeping with the Authority. The Lord Mayor of Brisbane democratic principles upon which it would holds an important position. One would expect boards and authorities to be formed. presume that the Labor administration could For the sake of the honourable member not for ever go on ruling Brisbane. If for Salisbury, I will make some reference another party or indeed a group of independ­ 'io the appointments made to the board. I ents comes to power in City Haii-I hope think it is important that I should do so, that one day that happens-I wonder if we because the thrust of my argument is that will then see an amendment to the Act local government should be represented in to allow for representation of the Brisbane its own right on this committee, whether by City Council. I will have one thing to say: direct representation or by ex officio repre­ "I told you so." sentation. In fact, I believe that not only the Mr. WARBURTON (Sandgate) (10.56 city of Brisbane but also the contiguous local p.m.): When the Minister introduced the authorities should have a representative on Bill, he certainly gave the impression that the authority. it was a simple procedure and that there In November 1976, the Minister for Mari­ was no need for very much concern about time Services and Tourism (Mr. Hodges) the amendments to the Act. He mav have advised the Lord Mayor of Brisbane, Alder­ fooled the honourable member for Salisbury, man Frank Sleeman, that the Deputy Gov­ which would not be very difficult, and he ernor, for and on behalf of His Excellency 1904 Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NoVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill

the Governor, acting by and with the advice The Act provides that the authority shall of the Executive Council and in pursuance include one member nominated on behalf of the provisions of the Port of Brisbane of the Brisbane City Council and the con­ Authority Act 1976, had appointed him as tiguous local authorities that were referred a member of the Port of Brisbane Authority to by the honourable member for Lytton. nominated on behalf of the Brisbane City The former Minister (Mr. Hodges) was told Council and the contiguous local authorities. by the Brisbane City Council that the Evidentlv, appointees to the authority were appointment of Alderman Sleeman to the to hold. office from 6 Januarv 1976 until authority for three years meant that he might 6 December 1979, so one can· well under­ be a member of the authority while he was stand why the Bill is now before the House. not Lord Mavor or even an elected alder­ man after the municipal elections that The Government Gazette of 20 November would be held during his term of membership 1976 showed the names of the persons on the authority. I understand that quite a appointed to the authority. Although they degree of correspondence passed between the 11ave been mentioned earlier in the debate, then Minister and the Lord Mayor on that I think they bear repeating because hon­ matter. Submissions were made about the type ourable members mav be interested to know of representation on the authority in future. who the appointees· represented and what It was suggested to the former Minister­ positions they held. Brian William Baillie was and the proposition had merit in my opinion nominated on behalf of all owners of wharves -that the Lord Mayor of the city of Bris­ in the port; Gordon Kidd Fraser \vas nom­ bane should be one of the ex officio members inated on behalf of business engaged in the of the Port of Brisbane Authority, irrespec­ Dperation of the port (not being the o~ner tive of who held the position. It will be of a wharf in the port), and he was destmed seen that the Bill does not provide for ex to become the deputy chairman; Sir Charles officio membership. That surprised me con­ Barton became the chairman; Peter Dann; siderably. Perhaps the Minister may care and Mervin George Phillips was nominated to comment on that deficiency. Considering Dn behalf of associations representative of what has happened between 1976 and today, and associated with trade or commerce it appears to me to be extraordinary not to generally. None of these organisations or have ex officio membership. It seems that .areas of interest can be said not to have this measure is aimed at individuals rather a real interest in the port of Brisbane. As I than at positions. said, Frank Northey Sleeman was nominated on behalf of the Brisbane City Council and The Port of Brisbane Authority had its the contiguous local authorities, and Douglas inaugural meeting on 17 December 1976, and Mervyn Pye was nominated on behalf of apparently it has worked well since then, organised labour within Brisbane. despite problems associated with the auth­ At that time, in accordance with the Port ority's recommendations that were supported of Brisbane Authority Act 1976, there were by the then Minister concerning who was two ex officio members of the authority. They to control the port-handling operations. I were the then Director of the Department intended to comment on that matter but it Df Harbours and Marine, Mr A. J. Peel, and was handled very well by the honourable the General Manager of the Port of Brisbane member for Lytton. Authority, Mr. F. M. Wilson. The Minister should realise that the South The Port of Brisbane Authoritv Act 1976 Eastern District Local Government Associa­ presently provides that the port authority be tion recently submitted the names of three nominees, one of whom was to be appointed constituted to manage and control the port of Brisbane. That being the case, it seems to the authority. The Minister should also know that the nominees were the Lord Mayor to me to be a fairly reasonable proposition that the Brisbane City Council, with its of Brisbane, the Mayor of Ipswich (Alder­ responsibilities to the port of Brisbane, should man Freeman) and the Deputy Chairman have representation on the authority and of the Redland Shire, (Councillor John Gordon). that such a representative should be one of the council's elected members. I agree whole­ It is my firm opinion that not only should heartedly with the submission made by the the Brisbane City Council have some repre­ honourable member for Salisburv in that sentation (whether it be direct or in an respect. However, the Act does ·not make ex officio capacity) but also that the con· such a provision. tiguous local authorities that have a vital interest should also be entitled to representa· As I suggested, the Brisbane City Council tion. It would be rather peculiar if eventually must be heavily involved in the overall the city of Brisbane were to be pushed aside planning and servicing of the port of Bris­ completely while someone representing one bane, and that point was also made by the of the smaller shires became the local gov­ honourable member for Lytton. It \vould be ernment representative on this very import­ absolutely ludicrous-and certainlv not in the ant authority. I hope that that does not best interests of the port-if loca(government happen. I can only repeat that both the were to be denied some form of representa­ contiguous local authorities and the Brisbane tion on the authority. City Council should be capably represented. Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill 1905

I ask the Minister if we are now to under­ that were strong enough to lead him into a stand that not one of those local government situation where he felt that he could not elected representatives are to be on the continue as a member of the board. As Mr. .authority by right. The Minister should be Hodges said that, I believe that he had a in a position to adv-ise us tonight of the very full understanding of the Lord Mayor's position. principles and the reason why he resigned. As I have indicated, on this occasion the We also want to know, if he does not decision that the Lord Mayor should be a intend to allow local authority representation representative of some fashion on this auth­ by right, whether any of the three nominees oritv was a unanimous decision of the full whose names he already has by way of council on 23 October last. It was not the correspondence will be appointed. If so, who Lord Mayor's decision. The Brisbane City will be appointed'? It is fair and reasonable Council obviously has a tremendous interest that Parliament be advised at this time. in the development and management of the I believe verv firmlv that the Government port, and in this case it has a very deep does know at ·this siage the names of the involvement. This is important in the overall people who will be ap-pointed to this nine­ planning and servicing of the port. member board. Not only should the Bris­ Again, the honourable member for Lytton bane City Council have a representative, but outlined some of the problems associated also the remainder of the South Eastern with that servicing. It is not a matter of District Local Government Association should the Brisbane City Council's saying, "We be entitled to the same treatment. should be there simply because we are the The Minister would be or should be aware council"; it is because it has something to that, at the Brisbane City Council meeting offer the Port of Brisbane Authority when held on 23 October last, the nomination for dealing with matters of great concern to the membership of the Port of Brisbane Author­ people as far as roads and other services are ity was discussed, and the council unanim­ concerned. It is in the interests of the ously supported the proposition that the city people of Brisbane that local government of Brisbane and the contiguous local author­ be represented, just as it is in the interests of ities should each have representation on the the people on the fringe of Brisbane that authority. l understand that that information the contiguous local authorities also have has been conveyed to the Government by some form of representation. none other than the leader of the opposition The proposed amendments to sections 6, in the council, Alderman Andrews. That is 7, 8, 9 and 10 throw completely out the the position regarding the Brisbane City door the original concept of representation Council, which represents hundreds of thous­ on the authoritv. It is no wonder that the ands of peo·ple in this great city of ours. Gov-ernment comes in for such heavy Both the Labor administration and the Lib­ criticism when it is seen by the public to eral opposition in council are tellinrr the manipulate the membership of boards and Government that there should be direct -or ex authorities. This must happen when the officio council representation on the board. Government acts in the fashion in which it The Government, through this Bill, i'i show­ is acting tonight and puts forVI ard such ing its true feelings towards local government. amendments. Time and time again we hear that it cares It is no secret around the ridges, if one for local government, that it would never cares to listen, that the whole exercise is push ]c;;;n] government aside, and that local aimed at individuals. I had hoped that the government is the mainstay of the State of Minister was not involved in this exercise, Queensland, vet on eYerv occasion whilst I but it appears that he is. I for one will be have been here that the Government has had extremely surprised if a number of the an opportunity to giYe local government a existing members of the Port of Brisbane ,;ay, it has pushed it out of the way. Authority continue to serve, just as I will be extremely surprised if the former Minister Mr. Lee: Sleeman resigned from the board. for Maritime Services, Mr. Hodges, is not appointed the next chairman of the authority. Mr. WARBURTON: I agree that the That is the word, and I believe that is what Lord Mayor of Brisbane resigned at a par­ will occur in the future. ticular time. It ;vill be remembered, too, that at that time the Government or the For the Government to dispense with the Premier was in conflict with the then Minis­ system of selecting members of the auth­ ter, Mr. Hodges. I can well recall that, when ority, which gives very interested parties the the Lord Mayor resigned-and \VC all know opportunity not only to be represented but why he resigned and I will not go into that also to have a hand in selecting who will be story-Mr. Hodges said that it was unfortun­ their representative, is a disgrace. It is ate that recent events had highlighted diff­ particularly a disgrace when the alternative erences of opinion on a matter of policy being proposed is for the Government to between the Government and the members appoint members without reference to local of the Port of Brisbane Authority. Mr. government or industry, even though the Hodges said also that he could appreciate Minister might like to say that he will be that a man such as the Lord Mayor could consulting groups before he appoints these have, concerning those differences, views members. But he might not always be the 1906 Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NovEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill

Minister. He might not always be in a these changes or amendments designed to position to say such a thing and, quite provide jobs for the boys or the supporters frankly, unless we in the Opposition see that of the National Party or the contributors sort of thing in writing, we find it difficult to the Bjelke-Petersen Foundation? to believe. There have been strong rumours about When amendments such as this are intro­ why the last two Ministers were appointed duced, one must logically look for reasons to Cabinet. One of those Ministers is in for the change. I think that is reasonable. charge of this Bill. If we allow these There is no point in being critical of an amendments to be passed, I can only see it amendment just because it is an amendment. as being the thin end of the wedge. If we One must surely look to see the reason why allow these amendments to be passed, we will see changes being made to the legislation that amendment is being introduced. In covering the appointment of the harbour this case, surely only one conclusion can be boards of this State. At the moment, local drawn, particularly when the Minister advises authorities nominate the required number of that all members of the authority will now members on the harbour boards, but I will be selected. When we look at other similar guarantee that in the very near future, examples in recent times, is it any wonder amendments similar to those that we are that the public forms the opinion that the debating tonight wiU be introduced to cover end result will not be a Port of Brisbane the appointment of harbour boards. Authority prepared to put forward a well­ The first amendment that we are consider­ considered and independent point of view ing tonight takes away the rights of the but a group of Queensland Government Brisbane Citv Council and the contiguous stooges who will be prepared at all times local authorit'ies, including the councils of the to do exactly what this Government requires. cities of Ipswich and Redcliffe and the From the Opposition's point of view, the Shires of Albert, Beaudesert, Esk, Moreton, amendments to which I have referred are Pine Rivers and Redland, to have any rep­ not only disappointing but are a disgusting resentation or say on the port authority. indication of this Government's dictatorial The second amendment changes section attitude towards the State's decision-making 6 (1) of the Port of Brisbane Authority Act, processes. which states- Mr. PREST (Port Curtis) (11.20 p.m.): "The Port Authority shall consist of First of all, I wish to say how sorry I am nine members ordinarily resident within for the Minister for having to introduce, in Queensland, being- the early stages of his stay in Cabinet, such "(a) the Director for the time being a smelly amendment to such a very important of the Department o£ Harbours and authority as the Port of Brisbane Authority. Marine ... When one rises to speak at any time to "(b) the General Manager for the an amendment to any Act, one always time being of the Port Authority . expects ,that one is supporting changes that "(c) one person nominated by the will make for a better Act, and that the Brisbane Oversea Wharfowners Associa­ amendments will be seen as being improve­ tion ... ments to the Act or as being necessary. "(d) one person nominated on behalf Unfortunately, the only thing we can say of businesses engaged in the operation about the amendments that the Minister has of the port ... introduced is that they are not necessary "(e) three persons nominated on and they do not improve the Act. No doubt, behalf of associations representative of we will expand on the proposed amendments and associated with trade or commerce as the debate continues. generally ... In his introduction, the Minister stated "(f) one person nominiated by The that these amendments would be identical South Eastern District Local Govern­ with the provisions of the Gold Coast Water­ ment Association on behalf of Brisbane ways Act of 1979 in regard to the appoint­ City Council and the contiguous Local ment of members to that authority. As that Authorities ... Act is only some weeks old, one has not "(g) one person nominated on behalf had time to gauge if that authority, in the of organized labour within Brisbane ..." ·vay it was appointed, could be used as a These amendments give no idea of from .node! on which to frame amendments for where the members of the port authority the Port of Brisbane Authority Act 1976-79. will be drawn. Without doubt the port The Gold Coast Waterways Authority has not authority will consist of a hand-picked bunch had time to demonstrate that it is or is not of National Party or Tory yes-men. One working as one would want such an impor­ can say that the reason for sitting tonight tant authority to work. and rushing this Bill through in haste is that When we realise the many millions of the Press has stated that the Lord Mayor dollars that have been spent on the Port of is again willing to accept a position on Brisbane Authority to date, and the millions the Port of Brisbane Authority. If the of dollars that have been provided for it in Minister says there is no haste, I would be this year's Budget, we must ask ourselves: only too pleased for him to report progress is the Government not satisfied with the after I have completed, but I am quite work being done by the authority, or are certain that will not be the case. Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NovEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill 1907

Ewrybody knows that pressure is being his Cabinet joins him in sympathy and lets put cm Mr. Sleeman to make himself avail­ him play his tune and have his own way. able to the authoritv. No doubt this is Of course, finance will continue to flow because all other local authorities in the into the Bjelke-Petersen Foundation. region appreciate that the Lord Mayor of Brisbane is honest and hard working and I am the representative for an electorate has an ability that would be most beneficial that has one of the best ports on the east to a:oy board or authoritv. Above all he coast of Australia. is a person who would ne;_,er be a Yes-~an especially to this Government. - ' Mr. Goleby: Give some credit to the Government for it. There is also an amendment to make provision for the proprietary and business Mr. PREST: What rot! mterests of the members of the authoritv to be declared. If anv member of the I was very disappointed when I learnt authority declares that l;e has shares in a of the decision to spend millions of dollars body corporate or is a member of a firm on the port of Brisbane. Before it is corn· that stands to benefit directly by operations pleted, I am sure it will exceed $100,000,000. of the port, will he be allowed to be a It should have been built where deep water membe_r of the authority and take part in and ample land, with roads, rail, water and discussions on matters from which he stands electricity, were already available. The to g~in? Anybody \Vith pecuniary interests cost would have been a fraction of what it should not be a member of the port authority. will cost to build these facilities on Fisher­ I am quite certain that those remarks support man Islands. However, the decision was a those of previous speakers. I sav that political one. It is a shame that we will because one of the members of the- board all have to pay for the decision-and pay in particular, Mr. Baillie has so much sav for it for ever. Other ports in the State in the National Party and also in the opera­ are unprofitable; but I am sure that the tions or the port. Brisbane port's operations will make the losses of the other ports look like Sunday school Mr. Davis: Having the ear of the Premier, money. The decision has been made. It so to speak. was a bad decision and we will have to pay Mr. PREST: That is very true. for it. Another amendment gives the Governor I am more than surprised that these in Council the right to remove any person amendments appear before us tonight. One from the port authoritv for anv reason at can only say that the Bill is a sham. The all. Perhaps that shouid be fo; no reason Government should feel ashamed to sell at all. Previously the Governor in Council itself out for a quick dollar. One can ~ould remove a member from the authority express nothing but disappointment at the If he became ba~krupt, if he became incap­ Minister's using the Gold Coast Waterways able of dischargmg the duties of his office Act as a model. If the Minister proposes or if he became incompetent or unfit to a chairman or even a member of the auth­ hold office. I ask the Minister if that is ority of the ability and character of the the reason for these amendments. Another chairman of the Gold Coast Waterways condition for the removal of a member Authority (Mr. Williams), the authority will preYiously vas if he became a servant of be heading for disaster. No person should the autho;-ity. However the amendment be able to buy his way on to any board. \\ill allo•N a member to' be remoYed from In a letter to me personally, Mr. Williams office for any reason at all-in facL for no assured me in May this year that he gave reason at all. - money to the National Party. He also Most of the other amendments are simply assured me that he would not assist me machmery measures that become necessarv financially. I have assured Mr. Williams that becauce o: the two major changes. The first I would never accept graft from anyone, of the major amendments takes awav the especially from him. I am sure that it would right of representation of local authorities. burn a hole in my pocket. It would be too The s.·ccmd amendment takes awav the hot for me. I would hate to have a restless right cf different sections of business, the night knowing that it had come from a person wharf-owners, the organised labour in Bris­ who overcharges, especially children, for bane an? the loc~l authorities in the region entrance to his attraction on the coast. That to submit names m an endeavour to ensure has been proved to me by the hundreds of that they have representation on the author­ letters I have received supporting the remarks ity. Those two amendments are crucial, but I made in this House in May. the others are merely of a machinerv nature I do not believe that these amendments which become necessary because · of the are in the best interests of the Government, initial amendments to the Act. nor do I believe that they are in the best !'!though I am most disappointed about interests of the port authority. By taking th1s, the amendments will make the authority away the rights of local authorities-not only a gang of yes-men, but really it will be a the Brisbane City Council but also con· one-man band, not with the Minister calling tiguous local authorities in the region-the the tune, but the Premier. While the Premier Government is taking away the rights of is still at large he will rant and rave until the people. Throughout the length and 1908 Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill

breadth of the State, local authorities appoint assurances were given that many sections of their own representatives to harbour boards the community would be represented and that and they do a very good job. I can see no the setting up of the port authority would be reason why local authorities in this area a positiYe step forward. In fact, Mr. Deputy should not retain their voice--in fact, have Speaker, I believe that you sought assurances a much greater say-in the running of the along those lines some years ago when the port of Brisbane. original Act was before the House. The amendment to section 6 will result in no-one being able to be nominated. That In my opinion, the need for local authority applies particularly to those working in the representation on the Port of Brisbane port and to local government representatives. Authoritv cannot be doubted. Perhaps it No doubt it will be a case of jobs for the would be better if the representative was boys. That is something that we are cer­ someone other than the Lord Mayor, who is tainly not in favour of. a very busy man. I sometimes wonder whether it is best to have on committees the In his introductory speech, the Minister most senior people in particular fields of stated that those bodies which have repre­ endeavour. It is often said that so much sentatives presently on the board have not difficulty arises in the running of large cor­ complained and have expressed satisfaction porations because people go up the ladder and with the present representation. I hope eventually all the most senior and most cap­ that the Minister by that statement was able people spend their time sitting on com­ not trying to hoodwink us by implying that mittees. no changes would be made; that those people presently on the authority would remain on When the port authority was first estab­ it. I am quite certain that many changes lished, I was nominated, as my colle-ague will be made. If all the groups who now the honourable member for Lytton said, by have an opportunity to nominate represent­ the Local Government Association as the atives are happy, why the amendments? The representative of local government on that reason for the amendments is very clear: authority. For various reasons, my appoint­ jobs for the boys and pressure on the Gov­ ment did not eventuate, but I believe that ernment to get some members off the auth­ the alderman of the Brisbane City Council ority. who represents the area in which the port is There should not be on the board members situated should be a member of the authority. who have pecuniary interests. The people on At present, that is Alderman Randall, a man it should work for the betterment of the port with a great deal of business experience, who of Brisbane and not in their own best inter­ should also be acceptable to some members of ests. As we see it, these people will be the National Partv because he comes from working to look after their own financial a long line of fanning stock. interests. Mr. Houston: Do you think that the Gov­ Another disappointing provision is that ernment may be trying to put a Liberal the Minister, or the Governor in Council alderman on the authority? has the right to remove a person from th~ board without giving a reason. As I said Mr. SHA W: I suppose the most important earlier, previously there was a list of reasons thing is that there be some representative for which a person could be removed. That on it, but I believe that it should be a rep­ is now being omitted and the Minister will resentative appointed by the local authority be able to remove persons from the authority itself and that it should be somebody who for any reason that he thinks fit. knows the area and who has a very good The remainder of the amendments are of understanding of the problems that must arise a machinery nature and are necessary to close to the port. Although the shires con­ make the major amendments workable. tiguous to Brisbane probably think that they should have a representative on the authority, I reiterate that the Opposition is very I do not think that their representation disappointed in the Bill, and I believe that should be at the zxpense of the Brisbane City my colleagues and I have put our points very Council. I am not saying that it is a question strongly. of the Brisbane Citv Council versus the shires and it certainly should not be viewed in that 1\'!r. SHAW (Wynnum) (11.36 p.m.): There way. It is simply a question of who could are many matters that I should like to discuss make the best contribution to solving the but, as far as possible, I shall avoid those problems that must arise. that have been dealt with by my colleagues. One of the matters uppermost in people's The quick changes being made in the com­ minds is road access to the port, and this position of the Port of Brisbane Authority has caused a great deal of concern to many give good reason for people to doubt assur­ people. Although many assurances have been ances given by the Government when Bills given over the years, they have turned out are first introduced in this Chamber. Hon­ to be meaningless. I have in my possession ourable members are told that there is no a report of a statement made by the Premier need to worry about certain aspects because in 1976 at a seminar held in my area. Unfor­ the provisions of the Bill will be applied in tunately, the seminar appeared to be aimed a very democratic way. In this instance, at putting people's fears to rest about the Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NOVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill 1909 development of the port, without doing any­ ignoring it and crossing it. Following the thing about the problems that were raised. suggestion of the elected representatives, the The report reads- engineers had to change their thinking and "The fears of many district residents design channelling that would prevent the that heavy traffic to the proposed new Port trucks passing through the Wynnum suburban of Brisbane would cause them grave incon­ area. Of course, the best laid plans of mice venience were allayed by the Premier of and men often go astray. The heavy trans­ Queensland last Wednesday when he ports and semi-trailers have been turning opened the Port of Brisbane Seminar at into Pritchard Road, backing, filling and Manly." obstructing traffic to make a U-turn, and still driving through the suburban areas of Wyn­ The article then quotes the Premier in this num. The council is now taking action to way- overcome the problem. "We have set up the Port of Brisbane The lesson to be learnt is that it is useless Authority and we will be planning the to plan something on paper and say that port to ensure that road and rail access transport drivers will do the right thing. is kept away from residential areas as When time and money are involved in a much as possible." long trip, even the best of us will look for will not repeat statements by the Minister, the shortest and most convenient way. The a few of which have been quoted earlier lesson to be learnt is that we have to provide today, but it should be noted that all of adequate roads that are suitable for the them reported him as saying, "It has nothing transports so that they will not cause prob­ to do with us; it is the responsibility of the lems in other areas of Brisbane. Brisbane City Council." The statements I The question that then arises is who will have referred to are in conflict. Even today fund the new roads. It is not good enough for many of the problems have not been solved. the port authority or for the Government It is essential to have an input by someone to say that it is a local government problem. such as a local alderman to make sure that It is not a problem that should be funded the problems are solved properly. by the ratepayers. The problem was created While I am critical of the port authority by a facility which will serve the whole and the fact that many Government depart­ of the State, and it is fair enough that the ments have washed their hands of it, I could whole of the State should meet all of the also be critical of some of the actions taken cost or a proportion of it. It needs planning by city council engineers who, on many on the part of both the State Government occasions, did not appreciate the problems and the local authority. that could arise. Assurances have been given by people such Pritchard Road provides the most as the Premier that there is no problem. immediate access to the port. On one My predecessor, Mr. Lamond, gave many occasion the Minister for Local Government assurances to people that the problems had and Main Roads (Mr. Hinze) said "There been overcome. Ev~n today I am being is no problem. The Federal G~vernment contacted by people in the Gumdale area, has allocated money for upgrading Lytton who are wondering where the roads will go Road. It is an export road and it will carry and whether they will affect their property. all the port traffic." But that is not true. I have not been able to find out definitely Some of the trucks that leave that port will whether or not the property owned by these be travelling to northern New South Wales. people will be affected. They are entitled to The drivers will want to use the shortest be told where the roads will go. possible route. It is not reasonable to This problem arose once before when the expect them to turn ,into Lytton Road come town plan was being drawn up. The Govern­ into the city of Brisbane and go fro~ there ment insisted that if these roads were not to the Pacific Highway. They will not do to be developed in the near future they were that, and I challenge any statement that it not to be shown on the town plan. That i' desirable or practical that thev should do might help the person who wants to sell his so. We should be diverting traffic from the property to an unsuspecting buyer, but it heart of Brisbane and roads that are already does not help the genuine person who wants heavily overloaded. The Government's state­ to plan accordingly. ment was not factual, or, at the best showed a lack of appreciation of the facts. ' I have suggested to people who are con­ cerned and want to build in these areas that At the same time, the council engineers the best thing for them to do is submit plans, said, "We will construct an access road that because questions would have to be asked. will prevent heavy trucks from running If the people approving the building plans through the suburb of Wynnum. They will are able to discover that the land will be have to go down on to Lytton Road." The affected by resumptions for future roads, only thing that the plan prepared by the the applicants would be told that their engineers did not allow for was the fact that plans would probably be rejected. It should drivers of large transport trucks do not have not be necessary for home owners to go much respect. for traffic channels. If they to those lengths to find out whether or not want to turn mto a road that is closed by a these very necessary roads will go through small channel, they have no hesitation in their property. 1910 Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NovEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill

Kianawah Road is to be upgraded and extent of its usage is quite surprising. I know­ many people will be affected. It will have that people come quite long distances to use to link up with other roads, and whether the pool because when it was closed I or not they are to be new roads going through received complaints by telephone from people what is presently vacant land or whether in areas from which I would not have imag­ present roads will be upgraded, is a question ined they would travel just to use a small that should be answered in consultation with salt-water pool. It has been pointed out to the port authority, which should accept me that a lot of people still want to swim some responsibility for what will happen. in salt water, but do not want to travel long There needs to be an involvement by the distances to swim in the open sea as they fear aocal authority or some section of the attacks by box jellyfish or sharks. community, and that involvement should con­ We had a problem providing suitable sand tinue to be written into the Act. If it is not for the bottom of the pool, and it was to be the Lord Mayor who is appointed, it available from the port authority. It was should be the local alderman or the pumping up filling that was excellent for that Vice Mayor. There should be that sort of purpose. It made it a\'aiiable at cost to the involvement. Brisbane City Council. That co-operation by both parties was very praiseworthy. 1 would The other matter to which I should like to like to see it extended to provide this very refer briefly is the coal loader. The port good sand for the foreshores of Wynnum. has had several coal-loading facilities, and While some people might continue to try so many conflicting statements have been to denigrate \Vvnnum as a recreation area, made about these facilities that it is impera­ tive for somebody to come clean and make members can believe me when I say that it is used very extensi\'ely by people from all a statement on what will be provided, whether or not it will be at the mouth of the river over Brisbane, and even outside Brisbane. or upstream and, most importantly, what They would appreciate that sand being pro­ precautions will be taken to ensure that it vided just as much as would the people of does not cause pollution in the residential Wynnum. areas close to the port. It is not good enough In conclusion, I would ask that the exten­ to claim that the prevailing breezes blow ded shopping hours \Yhich are permitted in in another direction. The prevailing breezes Redcliffe be allowed in the Wynnum area do not blow in the directions that have been so that people who spend their week-ends indicated by the so-called experts as often down there would be able to take advantage as they indicate. I should know. I was born of doing their shopping in cooler and more in the area and I have lived there all my pleasant conditions. It would also help to life. I can assure the Minister that on many improve the viability of the local shopping occasions the strong prevailing breezes will area. It has taken quite a beating from blow from where the coal is likely to be shopping centres built in fairly close prox­ piled, straight into residential areas. They imity, although I know that that problem are extremely strong breezes. My home over­ exists in other parts of Brisbane as well. looks the bay, and the breezes have been strong enough to blow heavy furniture along Hon. M. D. HOOPER (Townsville West~ my patio and pile it up at one end, so I am Minister for Maritime Services and Tourism)' quite sure that they will be strong enough (11.55 p.m.), in reply: I thought the hon­ to lift the dust off the coal pile and take ourable member for Lvtton who led for the it into the bayside suburbs, and probably Opposition would have· spoken in more glow­ even further into the city of Brisbane. This ing terms about the new port of Brisbane, is a question that needs to be answered in because it is close to his electorate-- much more positive terms than it has been Mr. Burns: I asked vou to take me down to date. To say that the breezes do not there, and you wouldn't. blow in that direction is not good enough. To say that the coal pile will be wet down Mr. M. D. HOOPER: I would not bother is also not good enough. If the pile is to to ask the honourable member now, because be as large as those \Ve have seen in places obviously he has no pride whatsoever in such as Gladstone then it is not likely that this marvellous development at the mouth of we will see someone standing on top of it the river. I thought that the honourable mem­ wetting it down with a hose. ber would hme given some credit to the I admit that there will possibly be a lot of Government for its foresight in establishing benefits to the \Vynnum area following the this marvellous export port and for the hard development of the port. I would like to work done by the members of the original cite just one example of where the members authority to bring the port to the stage where, and chairman of the port authority were after the expenditure of something like most helpful, even though it was only in a $50,000,000, it will be able to begin exporting very small way. For many years we have goods some time next year. had difficulties in providing a decent sort of Regrettably, the member for Lytton did sand not only for the foreshores of Wynnum launch a personal attack on Mr. Brian but for the bottom of the wading pool situa­ Baillie of the P. & 0. company, and accused ted on the beachfront. It is used by a large him of asserting some undue influence on number of people from all over Brisbane and, decisions made by the authority and by this indeed, from areas outside Brisbane. The Government. I emphatically deny those Port of Brisbane Authority [22 NovEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill 1911 accusations made by the honourable member. Any suggestion that a prompt assessment After all, Mr. Baillie has only one vote among of the two proposals put by B.W.W.D. and an authority of nine members and, under the A.C.T.A. could be made to show that terms of the Act, he is not allowed to vote on A.C.T.A.'s would result in lower costs to any issue in which his company may have a port users is just not supportable. The pro­ pecuniary interest. posals were not capable of comparison on The member for Lytton also attacked the the basis suggested at the time, because they Brisbane Wharves and Wool Dumping com­ were based on different assumptions as to pany. That is also regrettable, as B.W.W.D. labour costs and conditions. Furthermore, has, for many years, been to the forefront while the A.C.T.A. proposals did not envis­ in developing the port of Brisbane, in the age any significant investment in the new upper reaches of the Brisbane River. It has port, the B.W.W.D. will be investing heavily invested a considerable amount of monev in the construction of a terminal and the over many years in developing the port of acquisition of plant. I ask: how many Brisbane to an international standard. members have actually read this Bill, or the principles of it? The honourable member also made a per­ sonai attack on Sir Sidnev Roberts. He Mr. Houston: How much time did you attacked his credibility in compiling a report give them? to the State Government earlier this year, in which he recommended the awarding of Mr. M. D. HOOPER: They have had a contract for stevedoring rights at the new plenty of time. port. He wrongfully accused Sir Sidney Mr. Houston: You broke an agreement, Roberts of standing over the Premier in that is what you did. You have broken an determining who would get the contract. agreement from last night. Mr. Burns: No, I didn't. Mr. M. D. HOOPER: No, I haven't. Mr. M. D. HOOPER: The honourable Mr. Houston: My word, you have. member said words to that effect. He said that Sir Sidney Roberts told the Premier Mr. M. D. HOOPER: Why doesn't the and the Cabinet how they should vote. honourable member listen? Mr. Burns: Your speech-writers have got The member for Lytton and other mem­ it mixed up. bers of the A.L.P. said that the Bill excludes representation on the authority by aldermen of the Brisbane City Council and adjacent Mr. M. D. HOOPER: I wrote this myself. councils. That is not so. It is in my own writing. . The .honourable member also quoted Cab­ Mr. Prest interjected. met mmutes. I do not know ho\v he ever Mr. M. D. HOO~ER: I challenge the got the opportunity to read Cabinet minutes. member for Port Curtis or any other member He said that Sir Sidnev Roberts had stood of the A.L.P. to show where, in the proposed over the Premier. 1 do not know how any­ amendments, aldermen are to be excluded body would stand over the Queensland from representation on the authority. Premier. If he has any suspicion at all about anybody standing over the Queensland Mr. Prest: Show me where that is. Premier, I suggest that he contact Mr. Gough Whitlam and ask him how successful he was Mr. M. D. HOOPER: Show me where as Prime Minister of Australia, in trying t~ they are excluded. If the Government feels stand over the Queensland Premier. that any alderman can make a valuable con­ tribution to the deliberations of the authority Th~ member for Lytton went through a lot he can be appointed to it. ' of history, but much of it was not very rel~vant to the Bill. The happenings to I would now like to refer to the matter which he referred occurred under the existing of safety in ports. That was raised by the legislation. The Government makes no member for Lytton. He said that recently .apologies for upholding the principle it he was. able to pull alongside an Ampol adopted in that particular case. The alterna­ tanker m a smaH boat and that he was not tives were to give long-standing wharf chased away. I believe that boats should stay about 100 n;etres from tankers while they owners i~ Brisbane, such as B.W.W.D., the are moored m a port. I know that if any opportumty of moving into the era of the small boat goes within 100 metres of a new port at the mouth of the Brisbane River ta~ker in the Townsville harbour, it is very or to bring in new operators who had n~ qmckly chased away by the safety officer. previous. inv~stment in the pori, to take over If the member for Lytton was close to a a s!t~atwn m which a superior competitive tanker, he should not have been there and position would be handed to them on a should know better than to do such a thing. platte!. The SJovernment could not accept that It was fair to those who had invested Mr. Burns: That will not be much help in the port in the past to pull the rug from if somebody does go near a tanker. If a under them by introducing a new operator tanker blows up, you will simply say that mto such a favourable position. The matter the bloke should have known better. What is as simple as that. sort of a response from a M'inister is that? 1912 Port of Brisbane Authority [22 & 23 NovEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill

Mr. M. D. HOOPER: How would the is a State Government initiative and the member for Lytton blow up a tanker? Government has a responsibility to the community to make sure that the members Mr. Burns: I am talking about people appointed to the authority are the best going near tankers at night-time with naked available to make Brisbane the best overseas lights, and things like that. port in Australia. Mr. M. D. HOOPER: I agree that that As usual, the member for Port Curtis is not desirable. It should not be possible made no useful contribution to the debate. for that to be done. Ampol should have a He merely engaged in tedious repetition. Like safety officer to chase people away from other A.L.P. speakers, he is not familiar with its tankers. Safety regulations do not allow section 58 of the existing Aot which requires people to be in close proximity to tankers. members of the authority to withdraw from The member for Salisbury referred to the meetings when matters in which they have wages paid to waterside workers. Workers pecuniary interests are being discussed. That in other industries would possibly envy the provision remains in the Act. wages that have been secured by negotiation The last speaker was the member for or by arbitration over the years for water­ Wynnum. He seemed to be more interested side workers. However, this is not a matter in debating the condition of the access roads for consideration in the context of the BilL near the new port of Brisbane and gave The member also speculated on the future little attention to the BilL He did ask if it is charges for the loading of containers at the intention of the authority to export coal Fisherman !&lands. The loading of con­ through the new port. I am unable to answer tainers is a business with high competition that question in the ,long term. It is hard to between the ports of Melbourne, Sydney and predict what additional cargoes will even­ Brisbane. If overseas conference lines feel tually be exported through the port of Bris­ that Brisbane charges are too high, they will bane. There is ample land to provide for new bypass Brisbane and advise exporters that installations to handle new cargoes. In view they will caJ.l only at Sydney and Melbourne. of the export markets that have been won Honourable members should not forget that for Central Queensland coal, it would be the B.W.W.D. will have a capital investment interesting to see what expor,t markets could of its own to protect and it will have to be be gained by the operators of coalfields in competitive if it is to get overseas conference the south-eastern districts that would lines to caB at Brisbane to coJ.lect cargoes necessitate their shipping coal through the for overseas countries. port of Brisbane. The member for Sandgate alleged that Motion (Mr. Hooper) agreed to. although the members of the authority had to submit to the Minister a list of their business interests before taking up their [Friday, 23 November 1979] appointments, there was no restriction on their right to be involved in any decision CoMMITrEE making which might involve a conflict of interest. I point out to the member for (Mr. Row, Hinchinbrook, in the chair) Sandgate that the provision in clause 5-that Clause 1, as read, agreed to. is, the new section 8-does not change any of Clause 2-Amendment of s. 4; Meaning of the previous provisions relating to declaration terms- of interest. The provisions merely had to be restated with different wording to suit the Mr. BURNS (Lytton) (12.6 a.m.): In his new appointment provisions. Section 58 of reply at the second-reading stage, the Minister the existing Act requires members to with­ made some play on the fact that aldermen draw from meetings when matters in which from the Brisbane Citv Council and council­ they have pecuniary interests are being lors from the contiguous local authorities discussed. That provision remains in the Act. have not been excluded. He made the Mr. Burns: Bai1lie should not be a member point that there is nothing to exclude an -he will never be allowed in the room. alderman if he has anything to contribute. I think they were his words. He said that Mr. M. D. HOOPER: The member for if the Government feels that an alderman Lytton should read the Bill. can contribute in some way the Minister The member for Sandgate asked if an might take it upon himself to put that alderman of the Brisbane City Council could person on. I think that Mr. Baillie will be appointed to the authority as of right. If have to give his approval first. He will have the member had read the Bill he would know to tell the Premier what he wants, and then that no particular organisation or council the Minister might be able to do just that. will have representation as of right on the I am suggesting that 700,000 people or authority. I repeat that there is nothing in more who live in this city and pay rates the legislation that will exclude any alder­ will be responsible for some of the construc­ man, whether male or female, from being tion of the roads. Harbour boards through­ appointed to the authority if that person out the State have representatives of local has a valuable contribution to make towards authorities. The Minister himself spoke about the development of the port of Brisbane. the Townsville Harbour Board and represent­ As honourable members know, the new port ation from the local authority or people in Port of Brisbane Authority [22 & 23 NovEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill 1913 the area. All of the authorities provided ought to be a person who is representative in the Milk Supply Act, the Fish Supply of the union or unions that will be involved Management Act and the Bread Industry in the port. Committee Act have representatives from I should like the "'\1inister to comment the various organisations that particip:tte on the fact that a sweetheart agreement has in the respective industries. I believe that been made between the B.W.W.D. and the the people of Brisbane have that right. Storemen and Packers' Union. I understand I will be ashamed if I do not hear some that the union has an agreement, which has Liberals from Brisbane defending the right not been made public, that only storemen of the people of Brisbane to have a say in and packers will have access to all of the a major development in their city. As I area controlled by the Port of Brisbane understand it, the Liberal aldermen have Authoritv. If that is indeed the case, it is said that Alderman Sleeman should con­ quite obvious that the fifth representative tinue on the board. However, it will be up on the port authority will be a person from to the Minister. It will be another secret the Storemen and Packers' Union, and that decision. It will not be a decision of ought to be stated. Parliament. It will not be a decis:on made in some public place. It will be another one lt is provided that the Government must of the secret decisions made in Cabinet. be given the names of three people from whom it mav choose. That seems fair I want it on record that we oppose this enough, becau:~c obviously the Government provision, which has been introduced purely will not put a prickly pear on the port out of political spite. It removes the right authority when it can ha\ e a smooth peach of the people in this city, in Redland, in on it. However, things do not always work Moreton, in Esk, in Redcliffe-all the people out as intended, and I believe that the port in the contiguous shires-to have a say authoritv should at least have on it someone through an elected representative. The representing the Brisbane City Council or someone who is a resident of Brisbane. Government is proposing an autonomous board appointed in secret by the Minister I object to the wording of the new section after the Premier and others have received 6 (1)- their instructions from those who donated "The Port Authoritv shall consist of nine to National Party funds. members ordinarily re.sident within Queens­ land . . . " Hon. M. D. HOOPER (Townsville West I do not believe that "ordinarily" is suffic­ -Minister for Maritime Services and Tour­ ient. I think it ought to be either "habitually" ism) (12.8 a.m.): I do not believe that the or "who have been resident for a long member for Lytton has made any further period". contribution to the material he used in his In my opinion, the Redland Shire Council second-reading speech. I repeat that these should have a representative on the port terms have only been omitted from the Act. authority, and I suggest that, for obvious There is no provision that excludes any alder­ reasons, a representative of the Redland man from being appointed to the authority. Shire Council will be on the authority instead of a representative of the Brisbane City Clause 2, as read, agreed to. Council. Clause 3-Repeal of and new s. 6; Mem­ However, my particular concern is about bers of Port Authority- the wording relative to a person "who in the Minister's opinion represents organised Mrs. KYBURZ (Salisbury) (12.9 a.m.): The labour within Brisbane". That is quite wide section to be repealed provided "One person when one considers that organised labour nominated by The Brisbane Oversea Wharf­ within Brisbane could include any union. owners Association". I would like to ask I think it ought to be more clearly stipulated, the Minister whether or not that would as should the sweetheart agreement between indeed be Mr. Baillie. Another is a repre­ B.W.W.D. and the Storemen and Packers' sentative of each association of persons that Union, about which I shall have more to in the Minister's opinion represent busi­ say later. nesses engaged in the operation of the port. Mr. SHAW (Wynnum) (12.13 a.m.): I That equally could be Mr. Baillie. Then shall be brief because the honourable mem­ there is a representative of each association ber for Salisbury has already touched on the of persons that in the Minister's opinion point that I wish to raise. The expression is representative of and associated with trade "a person ordinarily resident in Queensland" or commerce generally; equally, that could was in the original Act, but I think it would be Mr. Baillie. The fourth person is certainly be better if the clause said "a a representative of the South Eastern District person permanently resident in Queensland". Local Government Association; fortunately, It is very difficult to define what "ordinarily that could not be Mr. Baillie. The fifth resident in Queensland" means. It could person is a representative of associations mean a person living for six months in the of persons that represent organised labour South and then wintering on tke Gold Coast. within Brisbane. I wonder why the term­ I should like the Minister to clarify that for inology "within Brisbane" is used when it me. i914 Port of Brisbane Authority [22 & 23 NOVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill

Mr. BURNS (Lytton) (12.14 a.m.): The Mr. PREST: I try to do the best I can and honourable member for Salisburv raised the I do not like being denigrated by the Minister. que.;;tion of a deal with the Storemen and There is no saying who will be on the Packers' Union. I think she was referring authority. to the existing terminal, where there seems to be some arrangement between Baillie and Hon. M. D. HOOPER (Townsville West­ one particular union. I understand that Minister for Maritime Services and Tourism) within the new area of the port authority (12.17 a.m.): The honourable member for it will be waterside workers only. Salisbury referred to the various people who may or may not be appointed under this I am concerned about reports that a legislation. Unfortunately, she referred to gentleman named O'Brien has been offered most people who fell into the categories out­ an inducement by the Baillie group to keep lined in the Act. Of course, the amendment the Clerks' Union out of the arrangement does not provide for those categories to be .in the port area. necessarily adopted when future appointments are made. I am sure that the honourable Mr. Campbell: Is that Reg? member for Salisbury and other honourable members do not expect me to suggest tonight Mr. BURNS: No. It is a gentleman by what recommendations will go to the Govern­ the name of Desmond O'Brien. He is an ment about who should be on a future auth­ organiser for the Federated Clerks' Union. ority or what decisions Cabinet may make. It is widely rumoured among the work-force The honourable member for Wynnum is in the area that an inducement has been obviously very tired, or he does not under­ offered by Baillie to O'Brien so that the stand English. He wants to know what is Clerks' Union will not organise in the area. meant by the phrase "ordinarily resident in In relation to union representation that Queensland". I think he should visit the matter should be investigated. Parliamentary Library to get some assistance. I have one point to make about Doug I remind members that the method of Pye, who lives in the Wynnum \Vest area and appointment to the port authority will be who is a representative of the organised work­ identical to that provided for in the Gold force. A more decent, honest and hard­ Coast Waterways Authority Act of 1979. working fellow would be hard to find. If he An Opposition Member: That is no recom­ is to be replaced because he is part of the old port authority and does not measure up mendation. to what Mr. Baillie wants, it \>ill be a damn Mr. M. D. HOOPER: That Bill was passed shame. by the House. Mr. PREST (Port Curtis) (12.16 a.m.): Mr. Bums: Isn't that the one in respect of In speaking to this clause, I am very sur­ which one man paid $25,000 to sit down to prised to see that the voice on the authority dinner and ~ater became chairman? of the Brisbane City Council, the Ipswich City Council and the Redcliffe, Albert, Beau­ Mr. M. D. HOOPER: The honourable desert, Esk, Moreton, Pine Rivers and Red­ member has more inforrnati'On available to land Shires will be lost. I am surprised tha.t him than I have. members representing those local authorities I remind honourable members that the are not on their feet trying to retain their present term of office expires on 5 December representation. 1979. In accordance with the Act, panels of at least three names have already been The Minister was fairly dirty in answering requested from the various associations for me, and I will treat him likewise. I was membership of the port authority over the surprised to hear him say that there would next three years. I repeat that. These nomina­ be no guarantee that local authority repre­ tions will, to the extent appropriate, be taken sentatives would be on the port authority; into consideration when recommending mem­ that there was no guarantee as to who would bers for appointment to the port authority be on the authority. At the introductory under the new provisions contained in this stage he tried to hoodwink us by saying that Bill. all authorities and sections now represented on the port authority were quite happy. But Mrs. KYBURZ (Salisbury) (12.20 a.m.): there is no saying that they \vill continue to I do not think that 'the Minister answered be on the port authority or that they will not the question. Subsection (1) reads- be put off. If everyone is happy, why are the "The Port Authority shall wnsist of amendments necessary? We might even be nine members ordinarily resident within looking at an authority that will comprise Queensland ..." members of the Police Force, including some of the Minister's friends in the North who The clause does not define from which forgot to synchronise their watches when associations those members should come and they arrested his son for drink-driving. Who it certainly does not define under what knows? They are friends of the Minister; he conditions the associations will be chosen. might even put them on the board. The Minister did not define for how long the appointment of the port authority mem­ Government Members interjected. bers would be. Port of Brisbane Authority [22 & 23 NoVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill 1915

Subclause (2) reads- the actions of Cabinet in overriding the "The members of the Port Authority recommendations of the authority. He said- shall be appointed by the Governor in "If consulted by the National Party Council, on the recommendation of the committee 'we would have reported Minister, by notification published in the instances of our clients electing to no Gazette." longer ship through Brisbane, but to dis­ For how long will their appointment be ,tribute their goods through Sydney. particularly if they are 68 or 69 years of "''vVe would have suggested that the age? The previous clause stipulates that they prime reason for this decline, quite unchar­ should not have attained 70 years of age. acteristic of Queensland industries, is the I ask the Minister to explain why there is increasing and unwilling dependence on no definition of the associations from which an unconcerned autocratic monopoly and the representatives will come. its unholy alliance with particular sections of the waterfront unions.' "The letter attacked the P and 0 group's Hon. M. D. HOOPER (Townsville West­ involvement in the port. It accused the Minister for Maritime Services and Tourism) company of seeking to dominate and (12.21 a.m.): In further reply to the honour­ monopolise the port. able member for Salisbury-it is obvious that This was stifling true free enterprise she has 1_10t understood the whole concept and increasing costs to all Queenslanders." of the Bill. We have made it quite clear that the Minister now has the right to The Minister makes the point ,to the hon­ nominate the members of the authoritv ourable member for Salisbury that notice We are departing from the original text will be taken of the views of the people of the legislation. We stipulated the different using the port. He might like to advise organisations from which we would draw the me why he took no notice of the United membership of the authority, but this clause Graziers' Association, the Chamber of Com­ allows the Government, for argument's sake merce and the shipping agents in the port to widen its vision and look at other people: who were concerned about the $2,000,000 such as the port users, who have a major being added to the costs to be met by investment and are importing or exporting every pensioner, every housewife, every far­ cargoes through the port. They are the mer and every businessman. As those costs people who should have some say in the go up, the workers will ask for wage increases charges at the wharf and the development and costs will go up further. That will all that will take place at the wharf so that be added to the money coming out of the the port can expand and compete against pockets of all people in this State. It will Sydney and Melbourne. It is no use brina­ create an inflationary spiral. All this will ing in people who are party hacks or co~e happen because of a decision taken against from a particular organisation. the advice of the people to whom the Min­ ister said he would listen. Opposition Members interjected. Hon. M. D. HOOPER (Townsville West­ Minister for Maritime Services and Tourism) Mr. M. D. HOOPER: Is that what the (12.25 a.m.): I think the honourable mem-· Opposition wants? Do Opposition members ber for Lytton is asking the reason why the want the Federated Clerks' Union repre­ main steYedoring company is chosen. If he sented? They would have every union on cares to refer to "Hansard" tomorrow he can the waterfront. There \vould be demarcation refresh his memory from the answer I gave d.isputes all the time if we listened to Opposi­ earlier. tiOn members. Anyway, I am trying to reply to the honourable member for Salisbury. Is Clause 3, as read, agreed to. the honourable member satisfied with my Clause -i-Amendment of s. 7; Term of explanation? appointment of Members- Mrs. Kyburz: Yes. Mr. BURNS (Lytton) (12.26 a.m.): Clause 4 omits the words "other than a member ex Mr. BURNS (Lytton) (12.23 a.m.): In officio". I am reminded of the statement by reply t~ the ho~ourable member for Salisbury, Mr. Baillie, who I believe happens to be in the Munster said that people associated with a position to manipulate this board, when he the port and shipping through the port said he was worried about anti-free enter­ would be represented and that some notice prise elements apparently working within the would .be taken of what they said. However, port authority's administration. As there no notice was taken of what they said earlier are onlv two ex officio members on the this year when they objected to Cabinet's board, that is the Director of the Depart­ overruling the decisions in this matter. ment of Harbours and Marine and the gen­ eral manager of the authority, I would like On 4. April this year, Mr. Athol Flynn, to ask the reasons whv the words "other than the president of the Customs Agents Associa­ a member ex officio" ·have been excluded. tion of Queensland, an organisation with 40 members handling 80 per cent of all the Hon. M. D. HOOPER (Townsville West­ goods going through the port of Brisbane Minister for Maritime Services and Tourism) wrote to the Premier to complain about (12.26 a.m.): I do not think any great 1916 Port of Brisbane Authority [22 & 23 NOVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill explanation is required. It is only a very ests by public servants or people appointed minor consequential amendment. The term to boards. It is a sham that we ask them of appointment of members arises from the to do that when the Minister to whom they new section 6, and if the honourable mem­ report refuses to do so. The Government ber refers to it he will get the answer. continues to back away from making Ministers declare such interests and yet they Mr. BURNS (Lytton) (12.27 a.m.): As I will be able to override the decisions of this understand it, in the past the provision in the board. Surely Ministers should be required Act has been that with the exception of the to face up to the same responsibilities as two ex officio members every member of the are being placed on the board members. board was subject to replacement every three vears. But now the two ex officio members Mrs. KYBURZ (Salisbury) (12.31 a.m.): arc subject to the same provisions. They There is a great deal that one could say about are public servants employed by the Govern­ the new section 8, simply because it deals ment. One is the Director of the Depart­ with the proprietary and business interests ment of Harbours and Marine and the other that must be declared. Further on, it spells is the general manager of the port authority. out the reasons why a member of the port Why do we have to change that provision authority should disclose his or her business if the Minister is not going to remove one interests. Paragraph (a) states- of them from the board? If he intends to "owns shares (whether beneficially or do that, he should tell us about it tonight. otherwise) in a body corporate that stands to be benefited directly by the operation Mrs. KYBURZ (Salisbury) (12.27 a.m.): I would like to ask the Minister if it is the of the port;" Government's overt intention, by omitting That could and should exclude Mr. Baillie, the word "nominated" and substituting the because he has all of those things. Paragraph word "recommended", to exclude a repre­ (b) states- sentative of the staff of the port authority "is a member of or the spouse of a from the port authority itself, that is, to member of a firm that stands to be bene­ prevent his being an ex officio member of fited directly by the operations of the the port authority. port;" Once again, I hope that that excludes Mr. Hon. M. D. HOOPER (Townsville West­ Baillie. Paragraph (c) states- Minister for Maritime Services and Tourism) (12.27 a.m.): I am obviously not going to "is a director or employee of a body come into the trap of trying to pre-empt corporate or is an employee of a firm the nominating of members for the new that in either case, stands to be benefited authority. dire~tly by the operation of the port." Once again, that must exclude Mr. Baillie. Mrs. KYBURZ (Salisbury) (!2.28 a.m.): I Indeed, he is the one person who comes am sorry, but I do not believe that to be a readily to mind as embodying all of those sufficient explanation. matters. The new section 8 states, in part- Mr. M. D. Hooper: It's all you're going ". . . each person . . . to furnish . . . to get. a statutory declaration as to the extent and nature of all proprietary or business Mrs•. KYBf!RZ: Then the point of argu­ interests had by that person that stand ment simply IS whether or not the manager to be benefited directly by the operation of the port authority, who would not be a of the port . . . " member of the port authority itself but a I must repeat my call that Mr. Baillie must person involved in the day-to-day running resign. In future, he must not be a member of the port, and as such a staff representative, of the port authority because, as far as I will be excluded from the workincrs of the can see there would not be any business con­ port auth.ority. If that is the cas~, it is a ducted by the port authority that Mr. Baillie reprehensible move. I believe that a staff would not be a party to. As I said before, representative ought to be included if it is not only that he has a pecuniary interest possible. in every single part of the workings of the Hon. M. D. HOOPER (Townsville West­ port authority; indeed, it is the whole of his Minister for Maritime Services and Tourism) business. (12.29 a.m.): All I can say to the honour­ I also believe that any representative of able member for Salisbury is that I note her the Storemen and Packers Union must cer­ comments. tainly have a pecuniary interest in ensuring Clause 4, as read, agreed to. the supremacy of B.W.W.D. That union has been receiving extremely beneficial treat­ Clause 5-Repeal of ss. 8-10 and new s. 8· ment from B.W.W.D. The sweetheart agree­ Proprietary and business interests to b~ ment that I previously mentioned has ensured declared- that the Storemen and Packers Union mem­ bers have been paid throughout strikes when Mr. BURNS (Lytton) (12.30 a.m.): I other members of the union have not been believe this point must be made whenever paid. I think it is rather reprehensible that we see a clause requiring the statutory this sweetheart agreement allowed the union declaration of proprietary or business inter- members working in the present B.W.W.D. Port of Brisbane Authority [22 & 23 NoVEMBER 1979] Act Amendment Bill 1917

installation to be paid during the anti-nuclear knowledge about that matter than I have. demonstration and the nation-wide Medibank If she has not, she is speaking without any strike. I am sure that the other members foundation whatsoever. of the Storemen and Packers Union, who I remind the honourable member that, do not work in that installation, are not under the terms of the Bill, anybody who is aware of that fact, because it has been kept nominated as a possible member of the port very quiet. authority has to furnish me in advance with Further, the B.W.W.D. trucks that queue a declaration showing the extent and nature up at the present port facilities are given of all proprietary or business interests of that precedence over other trucks. I think that person which stand to be benefited directly that absolutely stinks. I would hate to be by the operation of the port. From time to a truck driver foT a private company that is time that statement of interests must be not involved with B.W.W.D. The trucks updated. of B.W.W.D. get priority when entering As I said before, section 58 of the existing the pTesent port facilities. I can see that sort Act has not been changed and requires of thing happening in the new port. I think members to withdraw from meetings when that that will be equally reprehensible. matters in which they have pecuniary inter­ The whole of the new section 8 must ests are discussed. Is the member for Salis­ exclude Mr. Baillie from being a member bury suggesting that the Bill should contain of the authority. I cannot see how he provisions different from those applying to woul~ not be a party to. any of the workings local authorities and city councils? Many of th1s new port authonty. I do not believe councils in the State have councillors who are in denigrating a person because of his per­ consulting engineers. With Government per­ sonality. Obviously, his business interests mission, those councillors are allowed to do will take precedence over any altruistic work for the local authority, but they have motives that he might have. In allowing in to declare their pecuniary interests. If the a company other than B.W.W.D., the port honourable member believes that all who authority obviously intended to attempt to have been successful and have achieved some­ break the stranglehold that B.W.W.D. has on thing in life should not be allowed to be current port facilities, and equally to break members of an authority, the only members the stranglehold that the Storemen and appointed would be those who have been Packers Union has on the port. business failures. Mr. Davis: Get off the storemen and Mrs. KYBURZ (Salisbury) (12.38 a.m.): packers. The Minister's explanations are sweet, but hollow. The fact remains that Mr. Baillie not . Mrs. KYBURZ: I have more bombshells, only has a pecuniary interest in the port 1f the honourable member cares to listen. authority; as I said before, it is his entire ! inadvertently alleged that the high wages business interest. The Minister stated that pa1d to members of the Waterside Workers' Mr. Baillie would have to provide him with Union were the sole cause of increased port a list of his pecuniary interests if he is charges. I must correct that statement because appointed to the new port authority. How­ I now realise that it is in part equally due ever, if what the Minister says is correct and to the stranglehold and the monopoly of the Mr. Baillie would be excluded from any dis­ Storemen and Packers Union and that cussions on matters in which he has a pecuni­ indeed, it plays a far more significant rol~ ary interest, he would never be there, because than the Waterside Workers' Union in the he has an interest in all matters that would workings of B.W.W.D. I accuse the Storemen be discussed by the authority. and Packers Union of being in collusion with The clause is a sham. Even if Mr. Baillie B.W.W.D. to maintain the supremacy of the excluded himself from a meeting of the B.W.W.D. management in the new port port authority, he would still have access authmity. I do not see how Mr. Baillie could to the minutes of the meeting from which go behind the backs of the other members he was excluded. If he does have access to of the port authority and make a sweet­ the minutes of the meeting from which heart deal with the Storemen and Packers he was excluded, why bother excluding him? Union. As the other unions will be kept out It is obvious that he can act on the minutes of the new port of Brisbane, I ask the just as well post-meeting as he can pre­ Minister: will the Storemen and Packers meeting. I suggest that it is a rather Union have the sole right to all labour in the hollow clause; in fact, it is a sham. new port? Clause 5, as read, agreed to. Clauses 6 to 15, both inclusive, as read, Hon. M. D. HOOPER (Townsville West­ agreed to. Minister for Maritime Services and Tourism) Bill reported, without amendment. (12.37 a.m.): The member for Salisbury seems to be more intent on attacking a present member of the port authority without know­ THIRD READING ink whether that particular member will be Bill, on motion by Mr. Hooper, by reappointed. She made some allegations about leave, read a third time. his shares and interests in companies with The House adjourned at 12.42 a.m. interests in port usage. She must have more (Friday). 81364-66