1 3 1 STATE OF DEPARTMENT OF 1 MR. BATES: Thank y'all. I guess this thing 2 CONSERVATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES 2 is on. 3 ADVISORY BOARD MEETING 3 Anyway, it's good to be here today. 4 Alabama Department of 4 It's good to pray for our state and 5 Agriculture and Industries 5 industry and stuff. I say our industry. 6 Montgomery, Alabama 6 Our animals and stuff. But let's pray 7 February 29, 2020 7 the Lord will bless us. 8 8 One scripture before we go into it. 9 9 Solomon was a very wise man in his day. 10 * * * * * * * * * * * * * 10 A lot of his wisdom extends to today. 11 11 He wrote in the Book of Proverbs 27:23: 12 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS 12 Be thou diligent to know the state of 13 13 thy flocks and look well to thy herds. 14 * * * * * * * * * * * * * 14 That can go for fish. That can go for 15 15 deer, ducks. 16 Proceedings taken before Tracye 16 Look well. Know what you got. Know 17 Sadler Blackwell, Certified Court Reporter, ACCR 17 how to treat your animals, your stocks 18 No. 294, and Commissioner for the State of Alabama 18 of oysters, shrimp, fish. We are to be 19 at Large, at the Alabama Department of Agriculture 19 wise in our decisions and know what's 20 and Industries, Richard Beard Building, 1445 20 out there and what can be done to help 21 Federal Drive, Montgomery, Alabama, on Saturday, 21 it. Let's bow. 22 February 29, 2020, commencing at approximately 22 Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you 23 9:00 a.m. 23 for your many blessings. We thank you,

2 4 1 BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT: 1 Lord, that you give us the bounty of the 2 2 sea and the land. Lord, we pray that Mr. Joseph Dobbs, Jr., Chairman 3 Commissioner Christopher M. Blankenship 3 we'll be mindful to protect it and Commissioner Rick Pate 4 Dr. Gary Lemme 4 protect those that catch it and hunt it Mr. Patrick Cagle 5 Mr. Jeff Martin 5 and fish it. And, Lord, we just pray Mr. Raymond Jones, Jr. 6 Mr. Grady Hartzog 6 that you will give us food for our labor Mr. Ben C. Stimpson, Jr. 7 Mr. Greg Barksdale 7 that we might continue to feed these Mr. Brock Jones 8 8 people and the people around our 9 9 country. Let us make sure, Lord, that 10 10 we have no diseases, pestilence, Lord, 11 * * * * * * * * * * * 11 that might affect us. Bless us, Lord, 12 12 give us knowledge and wisdom and this 13 13 group make the right decisions that we 14 14 might be better because of things that 15 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Welcome, everybody, to the 15 comes through this house here today and 16 first Conservation Advisory Board 16 use us to your honor and glory. In 17 Meeting of 2020. Glad you're all here 17 Christ's name we pray, Amen. 18 today and everybody made it in safe. 18 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Chief Weathers, we have the 19 Let's have a really productive meeting 19 great honor of having the Color Guard 20 today with some really good dialogue. 20 here today. Present the Colors, please. 21 And to get it started, I'm going to ask 21 (Presentation of the Colors.) 22 Mr. Avery Bates to please give our 22 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Patrick, if you would lead us 23 invocation today. 23 in the Pledge of Allegiance, please. 5 7 1 (Pledge of Allegiance recited.) 1 we're very proud to be selected. 2 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you. 2 Congratulations to the Department, 3 On the agenda we have the 3 to the staff, everybody that's a part of 4 Sportsmen's Pledge. It's something 4 it. Congratulations. That's pretty 5 we've talked about before. It rings 5 cool. 6 through to what we all believe is the 6 COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP: Thank you. 7 purpose of forward-minded resource 7 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: So if anybody has any 8 management. And we're going to recite 8 questions about that, I'm happy to talk 9 the pledge, and you have a copy of it. 9 about it some more. 10 Please recite it along with us. I'm 10 All of the Board members, I think, 11 going to ask Mr. Greg Barksdale to lead 11 have gotten and read the minutes from 12 us in the Sportsmen's Pledge. 12 our May 4, 2019, board meeting. Are 13 (Sportmen's Pledge recited as 13 there any notes or changes? 14 follows: Since the state in its 14 (No response.) 15 sovereign capacity occupies the attitude 15 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: If there are no notes or 16 of guardian and custodian of the 16 changes, the Board minutes that are 17 people's welfare, it is therefore the 17 provided by Ms. Tracye and approved by 18 duty of the state by enactment of 18 Ms. Betsy stand approved. 19 appropriate legislation to endeavor to 19 And, if we can, let's ask each board 20 extend adequate protection to those 20 member -- we'll start down at the far 21 resources in which the people have 21 end with Mr. Barksdale -- to please 22 collectively a natural right. Wise and 22 stand or sit and give us their name, 23 discreet individuals who feel no 23 their district, and a district report.

6 8 1 inclination to make assaults on nature's 1 MR. BARKSDALE: All right. My name is Greg 2 storehouse should have their rights 2 Barksdale. I'm in District 4. 3 protected by the enactment of strong 3 The main topic of discussion in 4 laws to restrain the hands of the wanton 4 District 4 was concerning chronic 5 and the reckless whose vandalism would 5 wasting disease. There was a lot of 6 annihilate every visible thing of fin, 6 discussion about this just before deer 7 fur, or feather to gratify their savage 7 season. There were CWD meetings held 8 instincts.) 8 across the state. 9 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: That was written, as you 9 We did have a meeting in October at 10 know, at the turn of the 20th Century, 10 Wallace State College which was within 11 so -- but it holds true through today. 11 the district. I think this was a very 12 Mr. Secretary, do we have a quorum? 12 informative meeting for the hunters and 13 COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP: Yes, sir, we do. 13 breeders that did come to the meeting. 14 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: I have one brief announcement 14 I would have liked to have seen more 15 or congratulatory. There was a special 15 folks show up to that. The information 16 award presented to Department of 16 would have been a really good idea for 17 Conservation and Natural Resources. 17 those folks where they understood CWD 18 That award was the 2019 State Agency of 18 more than what they were reading on the 19 the Year . It's presented by the 19 Internet. 20 National Assembly of Sportsmen's 20 I was also contacted about deer dog 21 Caucuses. We are the one agency in the 21 hunting in Franklin and Marion Counties. 22 country that got that. It's a very 22 The other contact I had was about deer 23 prestigious and noteworthy award, and 23 populations in Winston County and the 9 11 1 need to take it out of Zone C. 1 forward to hopefully us coming up with a 2 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Greg, Mr. Barksdale, would 2 solution poison-wise for that. 3 you please lean closer to the mic. Some 3 There were no dog hunting issues. 4 of the folks can't hear you. And I 4 There's a feeling that allowing baiting 5 think you have to turn it on. 5 has caused more negative than positive 6 MR. BARKSDALE: Okay. Thank you. 6 and that bucks become and doe become 7 Like I said, I was contacted about 7 more nocturnal. The three-buck limit 8 deer dog hunting in Franklin and Marion 8 seems to be having a very positive 9 Counties. I was also contacted about 9 effect on the quality of deer that we 10 the deer population in Winston County 10 now see. 11 and the need to take it out of Zone C. 11 And the CW meetings were very 12 Other than that, it was relatively quiet 12 informative and very well done. Had a 13 in District 4 since our last meeting. 13 couple of locations, Tuscaloosa and 14 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you very much. 14 Selma, where we had those meetings. 15 MR. MARTIN: Jeff Martin, District 3. 15 That's all I have. 16 You know, all in all it's been a 16 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you. 17 pretty calm year. The changes that we 17 MR. CAGLE: I'm Patrick Cagle, and I represent 18 had made in the past seemed to be 18 District 2. 19 working on both sides from the dog -- 19 Like Mr. Barksdale, the Department 20 from the Talladega National Forest end. 20 of Conservation hosted a CWD meeting at 21 They've been doing a good job. I've 21 Bass Pro Shops in Prattville which was a 22 been talking with Chuck and some 22 convenient spot for a lot of folks in 23 other -- and Lonnie. It's just been a 23 District 2. I would have loved to have

10 12 1 pretty quiet, peaceful year. I 1 seen every hunter there. I really 2 appreciate that on both sides, 2 commend the Department for going out of 3 especially you guys. 3 their way to share good information. 4 With all the rain and all, fishing 4 It's hard to -- you know, it's hard to 5 has been good. I know on the Coosa 5 reach everyone that they need to with 6 chain it has been. So hopefully we 6 their efforts. And at least the folks 7 will -- some of that may subside a 7 that attended that now have good 8 little bit, but all in all it's been a 8 information, and hopefully they'll be 9 great year. 9 leaders and share that with others. 10 MR. BROCK JONES: Brock Jones, District 7. I 10 You know, getting information on a 11 share that representation with Tim Wood 11 disease so complex directly from the 12 who could not be here today. 12 source is really the only way to do it. 13 Tim and I have met with a couple of 13 You can't read a few lines, a few 14 groups around the district in trying to 14 sentences on the Internet and understand 15 get a feel for what people are thinking 15 much about it. So I commend the 16 and talking to several processors. And 16 Department for their efforts in reaching 17 the general feeling is over the District 17 out. I know they plan to continue. 18 7, which is pretty much the Black Belt, 18 I received less calls this year than 19 that it was a good season -- not a great 19 ever. You know, I can't take that as a 20 season -- for deer. The quantity and 20 reflection necessarily of the issues in 21 quality were up. 21 District 2. Folks may have just gotten 22 Feral hogs continue to be a great 22 tired of calling me. But I will let you 23 frustration, and everyone is looking 23 know I'm always available. My cell 13 15 1 phone number is published. So if you 1 But it was the least amount of calls 2 have an issue or if you don't have an 2 that I've had since I've been on the 3 issue and have something that you've 3 Board. 4 seen that's positive, feel free to call 4 There was some excitement over -- we 5 me. 5 had an oyster harvest for the first time 6 A little outside of my district, but 6 in -- I don't know when the last time we 7 I really want to commend the Department 7 had it, Chris, but it's been a while. 8 for all they've done on the coast. This 8 Of course, the rivers jumped up and shut 9 year I got to spend more time off the 9 that down. But that had a lot of 10 Alabama coast than in typical years. 10 positive talk going on there. 11 And spearfishing is my passion. And I 11 And most of the conversation that I 12 just really saw how great of a resource 12 did have with people in general was 13 we have both on the public reefs and the 13 around CWD and feeding and baiting. And 14 private and had a couple of great trips, 14 most of it was just questions trying to 15 including October. 15 gather information. But a good year in 16 Since the state is doing so well 16 District 1. 17 with Snapper Check, they're able to make 17 MR. RAYMOND JONES: I'm Raymond Jones. I 18 sure we fully capture the available 18 represent Congressional District 19 resource because reporting ensures we 19 Number 5, which is in . 20 don't go over, which prevents us from 20 We had a -- overall it's been a good 21 being subject to very strict fallback 21 year. The deer season in our neck of 22 for next year. So the state was able -- 22 the woods was average at best, marginal. 23 you know, we had a couple of extra days, 23 I think a lot of that was due to the

14 16 1 a few weekends added in October. I was 1 unseasonably warm weather. 2 quite impressed that the boat I was 2 Duck season was better than it has 3 on -- we had an average of a 19-pound 3 been in the last few years, but again it 4 snapper in October after the resource 4 was not as -- it was well below 5 had been enjoyed by everyone who had the 5 historical averages simply because of 6 opportunity, and that really says a lot 6 the unseasonably warm weather and 7 about the quality of it and the quality 7 literally water-water everywhere. The 8 of the artificial reef system that our 8 ducks were very scattered. 9 state has created. 9 Last spring's turkey hatch marked 10 MR. STIMPSON: I'm Ben Stimpson. I represent 10 five years in a row that we've had well 11 District 1. 11 above average hatches. We have turkeys 12 Like everybody that's gone before 12 in our area of the state where they 13 me, this year overall seemed to be a 13 haven't been in over a century where 14 very quiet and good year. I as well had 14 we're now seeing turkeys. So that's 15 fewer calls on dog deer hunting than 15 very positive in that regard. And I saw 16 I've ever had. I actually only had one 16 a hen and several poults, again, on some 17 call from Mobile County and two calls 17 land we've owned since the 1950s where 18 from Washington County and none from 18 we've never seen turkeys, and we've got 19 Baldwin, which is -- I think that's 19 hens and poults there now, which is a 20 impossible, but it happened. 20 positive. 21 Obviously everybody is working to do 21 I did receive a complaint on dog 22 a good job. I think the permit system 22 deer hunting in Colbert County. I've 23 must have had something to do with it. 23 checked into that, and I'm monitoring 17 19 1 that situation. But I did receive a 1 Because of federal regulations, you 2 complaint there. 2 can't change but once every five years. 3 That's my report. 3 We can't make it effective for the next 4 MR. HARTZOG: Good morning, everybody. Grady 4 season, but Chuck and Keith and Chris 5 Hartzog, District 2. 5 and all have said that we would shoot 6 There again, following what 6 for making that available for the dove 7 everybody else has said, probably had 7 hunters for the '21 season. 8 the quietest year that I've ever had. 8 So other than that, overall a quiet 9 We had a lot of good things happening in 9 year. I did call several of the 10 District 2. 10 processors, and they processed the same 11 We just got through with the youth 11 number of deer. But they keep saying 12 hunt, and next year the Barbour County 12 the deer seem to be getting healthier 13 Youth Hunt will have its 25th 13 and bigger. The weight size is going 14 anniversary. There were several hundred 14 up. So they're happy with it. And 15 kids there. I want to thank the 15 Barbour County, as y'all remember, is 16 Department. They had about ten wardens 16 the only county that has the antler 17 there assisting with the youth hunt. 17 restriction rule, and it seems like 18 It's a big deal. 18 everybody is still happy with that rule, 19 Greg ought to be smiling because 19 trying to grow good quality bucks. 20 we've had several big tournaments there 20 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Grady. 21 at the state park. The parking lot was 21 DR. LEMME: Good morning. I'm Gary Lemme 22 full every day. I want to thank Greg. 22 representing -- ad hoc member 23 We had a problem with one of the ramps, 23 representing Alabama Cooperative

18 20 1 and the mayor had called me. And, in 1 Extension System. 2 fact, the day I called Greg, Greg, I 2 The Extension will be cooperating 3 think, had just signed a contract to 3 with State Soil and Water Conservation 4 spend a couple of hundred thousand 4 Committee and APHIS and the Department 5 dollars on repairing that ramp -- they'd 5 on feral hog reductions in three 6 had a lot of problems with it -- and 6 watersheds in lower Alabama. We'll be 7 also doing the paving. 7 providing the educational programming. 8 But there for several weeks the 8 And the 4-H shooting sports programs 9 parking lot and boat landing was slap 9 are up and running. And we'll be having 10 full. And they were catching nice bass, 10 state tournaments here in the next two 11 good bass. And so the lake is probably 11 months, and we have over 1200 kids 12 in a good cycle right now. 12 involved. 13 The only -- I only had one dog 13 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Dr. Lemme. 14 hunting complaint. 14 COMMISSIONER PATE: Hi. I'm Rick Pate. I'm 15 And the only other thing -- and I've 15 actually Commissioner of Agriculture. I 16 talked to Chuck and Chris -- is that 16 live in Lowndes County. But I want to 17 I've had several requests -- well, a 17 extend a welcome to you to being here at 18 good many requests for Barbour County to 18 the Beard Building. Hopefully you found 19 be placed in the north zone for dove 19 the restrooms just right outside the 20 season. If you look at the map of the 20 door. But anything -- there's three or 21 south zone and north zone, Barbour 21 four of my staff people here. If any of 22 County is the northernmost county in 22 us can help y'all in any way while 23 that south dove hunting zone. 23 you're here, just holler at us. Thank 21 23 1 y'all. 1 store and find that "Sweet Grown 2 I would say while you're here in 2 Alabama" logo and you'll be assured that 3 Montgomery if you're planning on staying 3 the things you're buying are from 4 or maybe -- I wouldn't leave any 4 Slocomb or Sand Mountain and are not 5 vehicles inside the fence after the 5 from Mexico and they're not from central 6 meeting is over. When everybody has 6 California, which is probably where they 7 cleared out, we'll lock that gate. And 7 typically come from. 8 so I'd just ask you if you're going to 8 So, anyway, we're excited to have 9 leave a vehicle here this afternoon, 9 you here. If we can be of help to you 10 pull it into one of these parking spaces 10 in any way, me or my staff, just reach 11 in the front, and then you'll be able to 11 out to us. Thank you. 12 come back later in the day and get it. 12 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Commissioner Pate. 13 I will take a little privilege since 13 And thank you for the loan of the 14 you are in your building that my offices 14 building very, very much. It's a 15 are in. But look at the boards that are 15 wonderful venue, and we enjoy being 16 on the wall. Nobody really understands 16 here. 17 what we do here. We probably have as 17 Thank you all, gentlemen. Those 18 much regulatory responsibility as any 18 were great reports. I appreciate it. 19 state agency, and the responsibilities 19 Next would be our Commissioner's 20 we have are huge. Just take food safety 20 report. Would you like to come to the 21 and ag compliance and animal health -- I 21 podium? 22 mean, the Governor and them have done 22 COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP: I'll just do it 23 such a great job of tracking industries, 23 from here if that's okay with you.

22 24 1 but if we get AIDS and influenza or 1 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Yes, sir. 2 something in our poultry industry, it 2 COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP: I do want to thank 3 would be an economic impact that the car 3 Mr. Pate for letting us meet here. This 4 industry doesn't even understand. 4 is very convenient for everybody, a lot 5 But from pesticides management to 5 better parking and getting in and out 6 weights and measures. Everybody pretty 6 here than downtown. Thank you, sir, for 7 much knows we regulate the gas pumps to 7 letting us meet here. 8 make sure you get a gallon, but most 8 And I want to welcome you on behalf 9 people don't realize we regulate 9 of Governor Kay Ivey to the Conservation 10 everything weighed and measured in the 10 Advisory Board Meeting as I'm blessed to 11 state of Alabama. So when you're buying 11 be the Commissioner of the Department of 12 bananas at Winn-Dixie, we certify that 12 Conservation and thankful almost every 13 scale to make sure you're treated 13 day to get to work with a great staff to 14 fairly. 14 try and do the right thing by the 15 And, of course, we've got a huge 15 resources and the sportsmen and citizens 16 initiative. They put that screen in 16 of Alabama. 17 front of it. But hopefully you will see 17 I'd like to think after hearing the 18 it this year. We've realized that 18 reports of the quietness of everybody's 19 people want local Alabama products. And 19 district -- I think that's a testament 20 so we've initiated a new program called 20 to the good work of our staff both on 21 "Sweet Grown Alabama." And we're hoping 21 the enforcement side and the biological 22 this year you will be able to go to a 22 side and the State Parks and Lands 23 farmer's market or go in your grocery 23 Division, the good work that they do 25 27 1 throughout the year. 1 the opportunity if they didn't want to 2 I would be remiss if I didn't take 2 use -- hunt with the aid of bait, they 3 an opportunity while I've got everybody 3 didn't have to, and after a little bit 4 here to remind them that the census 4 of work within some of the hunting 5 forms will be coming out. I think you 5 clubs, I think that that over the next 6 will get those the week of March 12th 6 couple of years will work itself out. 7 and that you'll start to see a push for 7 But I think one thing that happened 8 that. 8 this year that to me really shows the 9 It's imperative that we all 9 value to the of the 10 participate in the census for our state. 10 hunting season is I was in Sumter County 11 Some of the rural areas of our state 11 on Martin Luther King weekend and shot a 12 have traditionally been undercounted, 12 deer on that Sunday afternoon. And I 13 which if that happens this year, that 13 went to take it to the processor in the 14 may cost us one of our representatives 14 middle of nowhere in Sumter County, and 15 in Congress as well as several million 15 they had people out there directing 16 dollars that comes to the state through 16 traffic on the road so that people could 17 a lot of the federal programs. So 17 get into the processor, you know, in 18 please take that census seriously. 18 rural Sumter County. Then you pulled in 19 And make sure you count your kids. 19 and they had one-way signs in the yard 20 If they're off at college, you count 20 and then around the back of the building 21 them. Make sure you count your 21 they had several people in there 22 children. Even if they don't live with 22 cleaning deer. Must have been -- must 23 you, make sure that one of you is 23 have been 20 people in line either

26 28 1 counting all those children. That's 1 dropping off a deer or picking up deer 2 where I think that we leave a lot of 2 and people steady coming in the whole 3 people off of our census in the past. 3 time I was there. I said that -- I took 4 So that's been a big initiative of the 4 a couple of pictures just so I could 5 Governor this year to make sure that 5 show people that don't understand what a 6 happens. 6 value hunting and fishing is to the 7 I will report to the Conservation 7 economy of our state. So I hope that 8 Advisory Board that we had our legal 8 you do the same in telling people how 9 compliance audit this year for the 9 important hunting and fishing is not 10 Conservation Advisory Board and it was 10 only for the quality of life in Alabama 11 extremely uneventful. There were no 11 but for the economy of our state. 12 findings, and they got us all in a room 12 Our Forever Wild program has 13 to tell us that there were no findings. 13 partnered with the Division of Wildlife 14 It lasted about two minutes, which was 14 and Freshwater Fisheries on several 15 very good, the way you like to have an 15 opportunities over the past year -- the 16 audit. So I thank the staff for that. 16 past several years to provide more 17 This year having the bait license 17 hunting opportunities for people in 18 privilege has made a little bit of the 18 Dallas County and then, also, on the Red 19 change throughout the state. I have 19 Hills Salamander habitat in Monroe 20 received very little negative feedback 20 County. Appreciate the work of the 21 on that throughout the season. I think 21 Department and the Forever Wild Board 22 it's been received well by most of the 22 partnering together to do some good 23 people throughout the state. People had 23 things for our state. 29 31 1 In our state parks that are managed 1 the economy that we have people are 2 by the Director of State Parks, Greg 2 having a little bit of opportunity to 3 Lein, we're implementing a new 3 have some more money to spend on leisure 4 reservation system that is coming online 4 and they're spending that in our state 5 April 1st for some of the campgrounds 5 parks. 6 and will be fully implemented by 6 And if you have not been to a state 7 October 1st of this year for all of our 7 park in a while, I hope that you'll go 8 facilities. I think that that will make 8 either camp or stay in one of the cabins 9 it a lot easier for people to camp or 9 or cottages or chalets and spend some 10 stay in the cabins or cottages that are 10 time in your state parks. 11 at your state parks. 11 As was mentioned earlier with the 12 And I know, Commissioner Pate, you 12 oyster season, the oyster season this 13 hear a lot about rural broadband and the 13 year was longer than it has been in 14 importance of that in the state. That's 14 several, several years, and we've 15 important for us as well in our state 15 harvested more oysters this year than we 16 parks because most of them are located 16 did if you combined the last five years. 17 in rural areas in the state. I'm happy 17 The industry and the resource is not 18 to report that over the next couple of 18 back to where we want it to be, but it's 19 months we will have broadband access to 19 headed in the right direction. And I 20 all of our state parks in Alabama. I 20 appreciate the work of the Marine 21 wanted to have that done by the end of 21 Resources Division and the Good Lord for 22 2019, but it was more challenging than 22 making the conditions right to see those 23 we were able to accomplish. 23 oysters start to come back and grow in

30 32 1 But we will have that done here -- 1 our waters. 2 hopefully by the end of next month we'll 2 This year was the last year of the 3 have all of our state parks with 3 exempted fishing permit for red snapper 4 high-speed Internet access, which will 4 which allowed us to have a season last 5 be a benefit, too, to some of the other 5 year that was over 40 days. That 6 citizens around those parks so that they 6 exempted fishing permit and the state 7 can tap into that high-speed Internet. 7 management of red snapper was made 8 The Lodge at Gulf State Park that 8 permanent beginning this year. So we'll 9 opened last year where we had our last 9 be managing that fishery from now on for 10 Conservation Advisory Board Meeting of 10 the recreational side and thanks to the 11 2019 in May has had a productive year 11 good work of a lot of people in Congress 12 and continues to do extremely well, 12 and Senator Shelby, Congressman Byrne 13 allowing us to put some profits from 13 particularly, and then a lot of work 14 that back into the other parks and take 14 that's been done on the research side by 15 care of some much needed long-term 15 our staff, the University of South 16 maintenance and capital improvements 16 Alabama, and Auburn University, that's 17 there along with other operational 17 allowed the state to be able to manage 18 income that we're seeing from the people 18 that fishery. And I think that is going 19 that are staying in our parks, one, 19 to be long-term one of the biggest 20 because, I think, all of the work that's 20 successes that you'll see in 21 been done by the staff to make them 21 conservation in our state in a long time 22 nicer and to take care of some of the 22 is the opportunity for people to access 23 old maintenance backlog, but also with 23 and get out and catch those red snapper 33 35 1 on our artificial reefs. 1 together -- if I miss somebody -- 2 And we're still seeing diminished 2 Tracye, Wanda, Kristen, Chief Weathers 3 catch on flounder. I was in Washington 3 and your officers for being here, of 4 this past week talking with senators and 4 course, the Honor Guard. Good-looking 5 representatives up there with people 5 young men in great new uniforms. Very 6 from all of the five Gulf states. 6 proud of that. So thank you. 7 They're all seeing the same low 7 Don't forget our Special Opportunity 8 recruitment and low amount of flounder. 8 Areas. The Department is working to 9 And so we are working to try and find 9 create those every day in concert with, 10 the cause of that and what we can do to 10 as the Commissioner said, Forever Wild 11 combat that to try and get the flounder 11 and with the foundation. So those are 12 fishery back to where we want it to be. 12 great opportunities -- and as well the 13 And part of that is we're now raising 13 mentored hunting program -- to bring 14 flounder in our Claude Peteet 14 somebody into hunting. 15 Mariculture Center in Gulf Shores, and 15 With that, let's step into the 16 we'll be restocking flounder beginning 16 Directors' reports. I think we have two 17 this year. 17 today. You want to go first? 18 And if you follow the Marine 18 Scott Bannon. Colonel Bannon. 19 Resources Division Facebook page, you 19 DIRECTOR BANNON: All right. Good morning, 20 can see the progress of how that's 20 everyone. It will be a fairly quick 21 going. I think every week they're 21 report. The Commissioner handled most 22 posting pictures or -- start out under a 22 of it for me, so that worked out good, 23 microscope and now they're big enough 23 the good news.

34 36 1 you can see them in the tanks -- about 1 So again on the oyster season, 2 how that project is going. 2 oysters are very important to the state 3 So with that, Mr. Chairman -- it's a 3 of Alabama. It's a source of income for 4 little bit of a long report, but I did 4 our folks and it's a way of life for the 5 want to hit on a lot of topics since we 5 people of . Our staff 6 have not met since May. Thank you. 6 worked very hard to develop some harvest 7 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Commissioner. 7 goals for this year based on our 8 Thank you very much. 8 surveys, and we had a target of 7,000 9 And to go back to what Mr. Cagle 9 sacks to be harvested. And then based 10 said and to backstop what the 10 on the efforts of the oyster catchers, 11 Commissioner said, Snapper Check works. 11 they discovered some areas that we had 12 The reason that we have what we have is 12 not surveyed. And we were able to go 13 because of the reporting -- mandatory 13 back and resurvey those and reopen some 14 reporting. But that's gotten us where 14 areas, and we actually harvested about 15 we are. The same thing with our Game 15 40 percent more. So we closed the 16 Check system for deer and turkey. 16 season at about 11,000 sacks. That's 17 That's something that's a tool that 17 about a million pounds of raw product. 18 helps us provide more and more 18 Again, that's fair in the big scheme 19 opportunities. 19 of things. We feel like we're turning a 20 I'd like to take a couple of minutes 20 corner. I think next year is going to 21 because this meeting is going to be not 21 be a better year. I'm very optimistic. 22 too long and thank Ms. Jones, Betsy -- 22 Unfortunately, our states to the west -- 23 thank you for putting all this 23 Mississippi, they lost all their product 37 39 1 due to the high water events of last 1 time period that we calculated. And, of 2 year, and Louisiana lost a large portion 2 course, the damage continues to go on. 3 of theirs. So there was very high 3 So we've submitted to NOAA Fisheries a 4 demand for Alabama oysters. 4 claim for $129 million, and there was 5 There's always high demand for 5 $165 million available for the entire 6 Alabama oysters, and the price was at 6 country. The Gulf Coast had about 7 record highs this year. So our catchers 7 half-a-billion dollars in damage. 8 were able to make a little bit of money, 8 So we have not received any monetary 9 and we hope that's better for next year. 9 announcements yet. We were in DC this 10 We had 110 boats, I think, was the most 10 week and having some conversations with 11 number of boats we had out on the reef, 11 them. We hope that comes in the future, 12 and we haven't had that in ten years. 12 but it will be pennies on the dollar. 13 The flounder and trout changes that 13 Quick mention of the hatchery. We 14 were passed last year through the 14 have three species there. Florida 15 Advisory Board, we've received some very 15 pompano we've been doing since 2017, and 16 favorable comments. We've been through 16 we released about 8,000 juveniles into 17 a season where people utilized the new 17 the system this year. 18 slot limit and the reduced bag limit. 18 Flounder is in its first full year 19 And generally whenever you make a 19 of production. We had our first spawn. 20 reduction or a change you get a lot of 20 It takes them about a year or so to 21 negative feedback. Overwhelmingly we've 21 acclimate to the tanks. We were able to 22 received some positive comments. So 22 use some federal funds along with some 23 thank you guys for doing that. 23 donations from the Coastal Conservation

38 40 1 To back up real quick about the 1 Association of Alabama to get the 2 oysters and some other fisheries, 2 correct equipment and to establish this. 3 because of the freshwater events of last 3 And we had our charter fishermen and our 4 year, as you guys have seen this year, a 4 recreational anglers who helped catch 5 lot of high water. The Mississippi 5 the stock to put into those tanks. It 6 system was very high. And they opened 6 was a great combination of a 7 the Bonnet Carre spillway, and that 7 public-private partnership, so to speak, 8 caused the damage in the other two 8 where the public provided the flounder 9 states. And then our watershed is 9 to put in the tanks. We issued permits 10 slightly differently, but, again, we had 10 so they could catch some undersize ones, 11 some freshwater intrusion that caused 11 which the males are generally small. 12 some damage to the saltwater areas. So 12 And so we look forward in a couple 13 it impacted our shrimp and our crabs. 13 of weeks to having the release of those, 14 And our oysters came out fair through 14 and we'll get David to do an article. 15 that. We didn't get enough to destroy 15 And, like I said, follow our Facebook 16 them like it did in the other states. 16 page. The pictures have been great to 17 But we're a large processor state. So 17 watch those baby flounder and their eyes 18 most of our processors in the Bayou La 18 move from both sides of their head to 19 Batre and Bon Secour areas bring product 19 one side of their head. They're an 20 from those states that didn't have 20 interesting creature. 21 product. 21 Spotted seatrout is the third 22 So we had a large economic impact. 22 species that we've just started. Again, 23 It totaled about $129 million in the 23 the public has provided the stock for 41 43 1 that. It's more cost-efficient for us 1 the history. It was about 51 percent 2 to let the public go catch the fish 2 for the private angler, and in the 3 instead of my staff going and catching 3 reporting world that's a pretty good 4 the fish and probably a little better 4 number. Scott's goal is 100, so I'm 5 optics too. So we've been very 5 going to stick with that. 6 appreciative of that. 6 But it did help us to manage that 7 That Claude Peteet Mariculture 7 season. As Mr. Cagle said, we made two 8 Center has been there since about the 8 additional seasons based on the weather. 9 '70s, and we had a drain line that has 9 Last year the weather got us pretty good 10 been there since the '70s. So this year 10 on a few weekends, so it reduced the 11 we were able to replace it so that we 11 effort. And so we opened two different 12 could -- hopefully we'll get another 40 12 occasions, and that shows that the State 13 or 50 years out of that drain line so 13 of Alabama can be very responsible in 14 that we can continue operations. 14 managing that fishery. 15 License sales this year have been 15 So for this year we got a little bit 16 pretty steady for us. I know in some 16 of boost in the number of pounds that we 17 parts of the conservation world it's 17 can catch, and it's about a day or two's 18 been in a little bit of a decline. In 18 worth in the grand scheme of things. 19 the saltwater fishing it's been pretty 19 Alabama has 3 percent of the coastline, 20 good. 20 and we get 26.2 percent of the fish out 21 Last year we passed the Gulf Reef 21 of the Gulf of Mexico. So it's a pretty 22 Fish Endorsement which helps us to 22 good deal across the -- when you look at 23 identify the people participating in 23 it from a Gulf perspective.

42 44 1 reef-fish fishing. And that went on 1 So we're going to open a season this 2 sale in August of this year, and that 2 year -- the announcement will go out 3 applies to private anglers, commercial 3 Monday, the official press release, but 4 party boats or charter boats, and 4 I want to tell you guys today that we 5 commercial anglers as well. And the 5 are going to open to the private angler 6 sales in that have been pretty fair. So 6 red snapper season on Friday, May 22nd, 7 we're hoping to utilize that along with 7 which is the Friday of Memorial Day 8 Snapper Check this year to have a little 8 weekend, and we're going to run through 9 bit of a -- a better definition of the 9 Sunday, July the 19th. So that's a 10 number of people that are truly 10 35-day season. 11 participating in the reef-fish fishery 11 And we're going to run it a little 12 off the state of Alabama. 12 bit different this year. We're going to 13 And we're working on doing some 13 do four-day weekends. We've done 14 surveying offshore to expand our 14 three-day weekends, Friday, Saturday, 15 artificial reef zone by about 110 square 15 Sunday. We're going to add Mondays. 16 miles, and by then -- I don't remember 16 And that's at the request of the public. 17 what the total number of square miles 17 Especially local people in the south 18 will be, but it'll be a bunch. That's 18 part of the state would like to avoid 19 my official term. So we're very excited 19 the chaos of the weekend fishery and let 20 about that. The surveying should start 20 the visitors participate in that, and if 21 here in the next few weeks. 21 their schedule allows and the weather is 22 Snapper Check, last year we had the 22 going to cooperate, they'll go on Monday 23 best reporting rate we had had in -- in 23 and let other people have an opportunity 45 47 1 and not have to deal with quite as much 1 that a kayaker or someone fishing from 2 activity. And that helps spread the 2 the beach can report through Snapper 3 pressure. 3 Check using their Conservation ID. We 4 So Mondays are kind of a new thing 4 just did not give them the opportunity 5 for us. So we're shooting for that 5 to do that before. And when you see the 6 35-day season. There's always a chance 6 Facebook pictures of somebody with the 7 that we could close a little early if 7 condos in the background, you're like 8 the weather is perfect and the effort is 8 good job catching those fish, but we did 9 extremely high, but we feel pretty 9 not give you the opportunity to report 10 confident we'll get through that 10 and we want to do that. 11 weekend. And then if there's any 11 So that concludes my report. If I 12 additional days, we will consider 12 can answer any questions -- 13 something such as the amberjack season 13 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Any questions from the Board? 14 in August or Labor Day weekend. And 14 Mr. Hartzog. 15 last year we got all the way to the one 15 MR. HARTZOG: Mr. Chairman. 16 weekend in October, which was fairly 16 One species you didn't -- Mr. Avery 17 successful, but that really only applies 17 at the last meeting expressed concern 18 to local anglers to get to take 18 over the flounder and over the oysters 19 advantage of that. 19 but also over the crabs, and you didn't 20 So, again, Friday, May 22nd, through 20 have any comments as to the crabs as to 21 Sunday, July 19th. 35 days. Friday, 21 what's the status of their -- 22 Saturday, Sunday, Monday. So it opens 22 DIRECTOR BANNON: Sure. So I don't have the 23 12:01 a.m. on Friday, so if you're an 23 numbers on the -- we were actually just

46 48 1 early riser or you like to stay up late, 1 looking at flounder on the way up here, 2 and it'll close at midnight on Mondays. 2 the harvest efforts of flounder. 3 With the Gulf Reef Fish Endorsement 3 Flounder are an up-and-down species 4 it allows our enforcement guys to have a 4 throughout the last few years, so it's a 5 little more role in ensuring the 5 little hard. I did not look at the 6 compliance that will also lead to the 6 crabs, but we do know that the crabs 7 compliance in the Snapper Check. 7 were impacted by the freshwater events 8 And one last item on the Snapper 8 this year. 9 Check is we did not allow for anglers to 9 So crabs have the ability to push 10 catch red snapper from the shoreline, 10 away from that freshwater intrusion. So 11 which historically has not happened, and 11 what we saw in some areas was an 12 we did not allow for anglers to catch 12 increase in harvest and in other areas a 13 red snapper via kayak or unpowered 13 decrease. Mississippi crabs kind of 14 vessels. Now with Alabama's expansion 14 push towards the Alabama line, and then 15 of the reef zone right up to the 15 the Bay crabs push down towards the 16 shoreline -- we have some reefs that are 16 lower end of . 17 within 800 feet of the shore -- you can 17 So it's a little bit of a quirky 18 and will and they do catch red snapper 18 year with the incredible high water that 19 on the beach. 19 we had this year, the freshwater 20 So we're using the Conservation ID. 20 intrusion. But we still have a 21 This year our staff along with Alabama 21 consistent number of crab catchers, and 22 Interactive is putting that into place 22 so I will -- for the next meeting I'll 23 hopefully for the start of the season so 23 make sure we pull the harvest reports 49 51 1 and give you some totals compared to the 1 One learned this is not for me, and the 2 last couple of years. 2 other two said, you know what, I would 3 MR. HARTZOG: Okay. You know, Mr. Avery 3 like to do this. And we realized that 4 brought up those three species and in 4 we did not give them the opportunity 5 your report you didn't mention them, 5 because we are only open Monday through 6 so ... 6 Friday. 7 DIRECTOR BANNON: And, like I said, we did 7 And actually someone from industry 8 look at the flounder numbers. I was 8 brought it up as well. They said, 9 remiss and did not look at the crab 9 Scott, you're going to be mad at me 10 numbers. 10 because I want to do something. I said, 11 MR. HARTZOG: Thank you. 11 well, I'm not going to be mad. I may 12 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Any other questions for 12 not agree. And he said I think we 13 Colonel Bannon? 13 should open on Saturdays to allow young 14 Commissioner. 14 people to go oystering. And I said, 15 COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP: Would you like to 15 well, you're in luck. I'm not mad. I'm 16 talk about your oyster season 16 excited because I think that we should 17 regulation -- 17 do that. 18 DIRECTOR BANNON: Yeah, the changes. I 18 So that's the purpose of opening on 19 probably should do that. 19 select Saturdays is to allow young 20 So the two regulations that we 20 people who are in school the opportunity 21 presented before the Board today, the 21 to commercially harvest oysters. They 22 first one has to do with oystering. 22 could buy a commercial harvester 23 We've been able -- last year we didn't 23 license. They could make their own

50 52 1 open at all. The year before it was 138 1 money. It's hard work. And some of 2 sacks. Before that it was only a few 2 them want to do it, and so we want to 3 thousand sacks. 3 provide that opportunity. 4 When we were going to open this 4 We will do select Saturdays because 5 year, I made the comment -- I said the 5 there is a little bit of a concern with 6 average age of an oyster catcher is 6 the -- we'll have to coordinate with the 7 going to be 55. Probably wasn't that 7 dealers. So we couldn't do it every 8 far off. One of the discussions in the 8 weekend because it's not cost-effective 9 seafood business is trying to get young 9 for the dealers to be open for that all 10 people interested in becoming commercial 10 the time. So we will work with the 11 fishermen. And, again, it's been a way 11 industry to decide how many Saturdays 12 of life here in Alabama, and there are 12 and what that would look like. But the 13 some changes that have made that 13 regulation did not allow for it. So 14 difficult. 14 that's the purpose for that regulation. 15 For the oystering, the way the rules 15 The other regulation that we've 16 are set up it's a Monday through Friday 16 presented to you was to our Snapper 17 harvest. And I was there on a holiday, 17 Check regulation, so to speak. We 18 and there were three kids that went 18 wanted to make the change to make the 19 oystering with their parents. Two of 19 Conservation ID a requirement for an 20 them said I kind of like this and 20 angler who's fishing from the shore or 21 wouldn't mind doing it, and one of them 21 from an unpowered vessel where we didn't 22 said I hate this, I'd rather be in 22 give them the opportunity. 23 school. Both of those are good answers. 23 In addition, we would like to add 53 55 1 amberjack and triggerfish as two 1 And we would advertise and explain to 2 mandatory species under Snapper Check. 2 people, look, the reason why we would 3 And, again, that seems like more 3 want to do that. And for people that 4 regulation, things to that effect, but 4 are engaged in that fishery, they 5 we want to do this for the fishermen's 5 realize that this data is very valuable 6 benefit. Snapper Check we feel has 6 to what they do. 7 proven that real-time data and data by 7 And I think now -- we also want to 8 our folks off our coast is important to 8 remove the paper tickets. If you're 9 make change. That was part of the 9 reporting through Snapper Check, there 10 process that allowed us to get to this 10 are some select boat ramps where you can 11 state management where the states now 11 fill out a paper ticket to report your 12 manage red snapper. 12 catch. It's about 7 percent of the 13 Amberjack and triggerfish are two 13 landings. And it's a little bit clunky 14 species that are very valuable to the 14 for us. It doesn't contribute to the 15 private anglers of the state of Alabama. 15 real-time data. We have to go collect 16 And we disagree a little bit with some 16 that. It's a cost that we feel like we 17 of the data that is collected from the 17 could do away with. With the access of 18 federal government, and the best way to 18 smart phones there are very, very, very 19 dispute it is to get your own good data. 19 few people that go on a fishing trip 20 And we have through the Sea Lab. We 20 where there is not a smartphone on the 21 have some other survey type things. And 21 boat to be able to report. Reporting 22 then we would like to do the reporting 22 takes less than 30 seconds. 23 to show what Alabama anglers are really 23 There are -- I can name a fisherman

54 56 1 bringing in. 1 who has a flip phone, but his family has 2 The survey system that the federal 2 a smartphone. So he can call his family 3 government uses showed that we fished a 3 member and say please report my fish. 4 million pounds of red snapper last year, 4 So there is access to it. 5 which was what we were allocated. We 5 Reducing the administrative and 6 finished the season with 16,000 pounds 6 financial burden of paper tickets for 7 left, which is about half of a Sunday 7 next year we think would be a benefit. 8 fishing in Alabama. So we felt like we 8 And most people who reported by paper 9 did a pretty good job with that. The 9 could have reported by smartphone, and 10 federal government says we fished 5 10 that's a much better -- a lot of them 11 million pounds. We can't physically 11 have handwriting like I do, and we run 12 fish that many pounds. We don't have 12 into a lot of administrative errors 13 that number -- the number of trips they 13 trying to enter that data. 14 said we made, we don't have the ability 14 Sorry for the addendum there. Thank 15 to fish that many trips. 15 you, Commissioner. 16 So that's why we want to add 16 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Any questions from the Board 17 triggerfish and amberjack, two crucial 17 of Colonel Bannon? 18 species for us in Alabama, to the 18 (No response.) 19 mandatory reporting. That would begin 19 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you very much. 20 in January of '21. We wouldn't 20 Next we will hear from Director 21 implement it this season. You know, it 21 Sykes. As he is cueing up, I want to 22 has to go through the Board here. But 22 take just two seconds more to thank the 23 then we would start in January of '21. 23 folks who work with our legislature 57 59 1 here, not just the Commissioner or the 1 we're in a mess. Now, we don't think 2 Directors, but, of course, Deputy 2 they're that low, but this is the 3 Commissioner Poolos and legal staff with 3 information that we have to go on. 4 Jennifer, Charlanna, and those that 4 And before the Commissioner has a 5 aren't here today. So thank y'all very 5 stroke, we're just picking with this 6 much for what you do. 6 slide. But I wanted to get everybody's 7 DIRECTOR SYKES: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And 7 attention, and Scott set it up 8 I am really glad that you let Colonel 8 beautifully. We need people to report. 9 Bannon speak ahead of me. It kind of 9 You can breathe now, Dr. Lemme. 10 sets up one of the points I want to 10 We're not going to make the phones ring 11 make. 11 off the hook. 12 Commissioner said it. You said it. 12 All right. On a serious note, the 13 Mr. Cagle said it. And Colonel Bannon 13 Chairman wanted me to bring up something 14 said it: That Snapper Check has been 14 that -- every hunting accident in the 15 the reason why things have been so 15 state comes across my desk. I didn't 16 successful. I think the success of that 16 realize how bad it was until I got 17 by participants has been because the 17 there. My crew that I hunted with 18 federal government has been involved and 18 growing up and through my career had 19 they think our staff can do better than 19 always been pretty safe. We grew up 20 the feds. 20 doing it. We respected the issues. But 21 Well, since I don't think we have a 21 unfortunately there's a lot that don't. 22 fear of the feds coming in and taking 22 Hunting accidents in 2018 and 2019, 23 charge of our deer and turkey numbers, I 23 we had 20 total, 14 non-fatal and six

58 60 1 don't think that hunters are going to 1 fatal, with the vast majority of those 2 respond to Game Check like they did 2 being tree stand accidents, 12 non-fatal 3 Snapper Check. And since we have 3 and three fatal. And we did a little 4 advertised in magazines, TV, radio, our 4 bit better this year. Hunting accidents 5 Digest, begged and pleaded for people to 5 for this season were down two with 15 6 actually report, we're kind of at the 6 non-fatal and three fatal. Firearms, we 7 end of our rope. We don't really know 7 had no fatalities. We had only had five 8 what is the next step to try to increase 8 non-fatal. Tree stand numbers were down 9 participation. 9 a little bit. 10 So in meeting with my staff and the 10 But some of the common denominators 11 Commissioner's office, we figured that 11 were -- it's not what you would think. 12 this was the next best thing is for 2021 12 It's not typically younger hunters or 13 we're just going to close turkey season 13 inexperienced hunters that are having 14 in the hopes that people will understand 14 these problems. The majority of the 15 how important Game Check is. We only 15 hunters who fall out of tree stands and 16 had less than 11,000 turkeys reported 16 are killed or injured are anywhere from 17 last year. I don't think anybody on 17 their late 30s to their 60s. They've 18 this board -- Raymond and Ben probably 18 been hunting forever. The majority of 19 know enough people that got 10 percent 19 them have not taken a hunter education 20 of that. 20 course because they were grandfathered 21 We need people to understand how 21 in and they get complacent. The 22 important those numbers are. If our 22 majority of the firearms incidents are 23 turkey numbers are actually that low, 23 the same, and most of them were 61 63 1 self-inflicted. Just taking things for 1 information than the surrounding areas, 2 granted and being complacent. 2 and we have a Zone E, or affectionately 3 The really bad thing about the tree 3 known as Zone J, in Cleburne County and 4 stand accidents is 95 percent of them 4 then down around Russell County. 5 are completely preventable. If people 5 The data is there. The science is 6 will wear a safety harness and wear a 6 there. We've been telling hunters that, 7 Lifeline and be connected from the time 7 yes, we know you're right. Your deer 8 they leave the ground till the time they 8 rut earlier. It just takes a while to 9 get back on the ground, 95 percent or 9 get lines drawn and get the maps done 10 better of our tree stand accidents would 10 and make sure that not only can the 11 be eliminated. 11 hunters enjoy it, but we can enforce it, 12 We did have something pop up this 12 that everybody understands what's going 13 year that was a little unusual is we 13 on. 14 actually had three people die in tree 14 I'm not going to go through all of 15 stand accidents this year from permanent 15 the dates because it is -- you can see 16 shooting blinds. So every year -- yeah. 16 from that it's fairly elaborate, the new 17 It's kind of perplexing, which is why I 17 maps. David Rainer has stuck a mic in 18 put that picture there. 18 front of me here, so I am betting that 19 This was a portable homemade blind 19 probably next Wednesday afternoon there 20 that was made out of scaffolding and tin 20 will be an article out on the 21 put on a trailer and was ratcheted 21 proceedings from the Advisory Board 22 together with ratchet straps. Every 22 where David will have all of these maps 23 year we've been telling people check 23 with their dates.

62 64 1 your portable stands, check your 1 The main thing people need to 2 lock-ons, check your ladder stands, but 2 understand is that in Zone D and E gun 3 apparently now we need to start telling 3 season will come in a couple of weeks 4 people check your shooting houses, check 4 early and will go out a couple of weeks 5 your permanent box stands. 5 early. You're not getting additional 6 We had one gentleman fall through 6 time. You have asked to be moved to the 7 leaning out of the front window to trim 7 earlier spot because of the rut. You 8 a branch that had grown in front. The 8 get a little in the front. You lose a 9 whole side collapsed. So a lot of these 9 little bit in the rear. So David will 10 are prevented -- we can prevent them 10 have all of that next week. It will be 11 from happening if people will just take 11 out. It will be online and in the 12 a little bit of time to do some small 12 newspapers. 13 things before the season comes in. 13 Several of the Board members 14 The biggest change that we have got 14 mentioned our CWD stakeholder meetings 15 for this year is we added two new deer 15 that we had throughout the state. I 16 zones. We've been looking at this for 16 want to thank our staff, especially Amy 17 over a decade with our fetal 17 and Michael East, for organizing all of 18 collections. When we started out, we 18 these. I want to thank Commissioner 19 just had a Zone A and B with B going 19 Pate for his staff participating with 20 into February. We adjusted that. So 20 Dr. Frazier and some of the other vets 21 now we have Zone D, which is mainly 21 that were there at all of them. 22 around Winston County, which has an 22 As of today -- I want to hit that 23 earlier rut based on all of our 23 last bullet point -- we do not have CWD 65 67 1 in the state of Alabama. We've 1 a deer and tell that it has CWD. So if 2 currently tested this season over 1500 2 somebody tells you they saw a deer on 3 deer, which exceeds our sample goal. 3 the side of the road with CWD, they're 4 However, we still have a couple of areas 4 lying. You cannot do that unless we 5 that we're not quite satisfied, that 5 take a sample, send it to Auburn, and 6 we're going to test an additional 2- or 6 have it tested. 7 300 before next gun season. 7 However, if you see something, you 8 We've been trying to work with as 8 can contact us. We have 24 hours 9 many processors, taxidermists, hunting 9 somebody sitting by the phone, or you 10 clubs. We're even working with DOT. 10 can go online and report it. 11 They're letting us know road kills. But 11 Mr. Chairman, that's all I have. 12 we also put out 53 self-service check 12 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you. 13 stations, which are freezers, scattered 13 Are there any questions from the 14 throughout the state. Unfortunately, 14 Board for Director Sykes? 15 you could house ice cream in most of 15 MR. RAYMOND JONES: Mr. Chairman? 16 them right now because nobody used them. 16 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Mr. Jones. 17 We had several hundred that were 17 MR. RAYMOND JONES: On your CWD map you had 18 dropped off, but that's not enough. We 18 two different colors, a green and kind 19 need participation from the hunters to 19 of a beige color. What was the 20 help us maintain our status of CWD free. 20 difference? 21 People can go online to 21 DIRECTOR SYKES: It's basically an assessment 22 OutdoorAlabama.com to see all of the 22 of risk of where we think it may -- so 23 freezer locations. All of our district 23 northwest Alabama, with Tennessee being

66 68 1 offices are equipped to take samples. 1 positive, Mississippi being positive, 2 And unlike years past, we have a 2 some of those counties down through 3 good relationship with our Department of 3 there we're trying to take a higher 4 Ag and Industries with our sampling and 4 number of samples just because common 5 our testing. Now we can get samples 5 sense tells you that may be where it's 6 collected, sent to Auburn, and back 6 going to come from. 7 sometimes within a couple of days, 7 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Any other questions? 8 90 percent of the time within a week to 8 MR. HARTZOG: Mr. Chairman? 9 ten days. So if hunters drop a deer 9 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Mr. Hartzog. 10 off, we can have their results back to 10 MR. HARTZOG: Chuck, just out of curiosity, 11 them quickly. And, again, all they need 11 what was the dollar amount raised by the 12 to do is go to 12 new permit for corn? 13 OutdoorAlabama.com/CWD-sampling-results 13 DIRECTOR SYKES: I think it was $10.75. 14 and they can find all of that. 14 I don't know the exact number. It 15 I was on a text thread with Chief 15 was around -- it was a couple of million 16 Gauldin and Mr. Cagle yesterday or day 16 dollars. 17 before yesterday on a deer just north of 17 MR. HARTZOG: Is that available for PR match? 18 the line that someone had sent him a 18 DIRECTOR SYKES: Absolutely. 19 video of that was exhibiting some 19 MR. HARTZOG: Good. 20 strange behaviors. That's one thing 20 DIRECTOR SYKES: The part of it that does not 21 that we need from people. If they see a 21 go to law enforcement. It's a 22 deer that is acting strange -- let me go 22 complicated, convoluted formula, but, 23 ahead and say this: You cannot look at 23 yes, the part that does not go to law 69 71 1 enforcement is available for match, 1 Resident baiting privileges, do you 2 absolutely. 2 think we sold more or less than annual 3 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Any more questions for -- 3 hunting licenses? 4 COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP: I do want to 4 MR. STIMPSON: More. 5 clarify one thing Chuck said. We have 5 DIRECTOR SYKES: 7,011 more. Sold 158,297. 6 had a good relationship with the 6 This was as of Monday. 7 Department of Ag and Industries. They 7 Our non-resident licenses are still 8 just didn't have the equipment for us to 8 up. Non-resident bait privileges were 9 be able to do the sampling and get those 9 around 17,000. 10 results back to us as quickly. 10 But one thing I do want to get in 11 DIRECTOR SYKES: That's right. 11 the minutes, this isn't the full story. 12 COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP: And so now that 12 People don't ask all of the right 13 we've worked together and they have the 13 questions. Yes, we sold more licenses 14 sampling equipment, we're able to get 14 and that baiting privilege did bring us 15 that turned around very -- quicker now 15 in another couple of million dollars, 16 than having to send it off to other 16 and unfortunately that's where a lot of 17 states. 17 people let it go. If they would bother 18 DIRECTOR SYKES: Absolutely. 18 to ask another question or listen a 19 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Mr. Stimpson. 19 little better, this was the first year 20 MR. STIMPSON: Chuck, I wanted to let you know 20 in the past four that Fred and I have 21 that I posted a picture of that slide 21 not had to cut the budget from our Law 22 that you had on closing turkey season to 22 Enforcement, Wildlife and Fisheries 23 Instagram through a cell phone. You've 23 Division, for budget downfalls.

70 72 1 already had 5,000 hits. 1 So we weren't flush and all of a 2 DIRECTOR SYKES: I sort of figured it would. 2 sudden we're in high cotton with the 3 That's why we did it. 3 baiting license. All that did was allow 4 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Any other questions? 4 Chief Weathers to buy a couple of trucks 5 MR. CAGLE: Mr. Chairman? 5 this year rather than not, where 6 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Mr. Cagle. 6 officers that are in a 200,000 mile 7 MR. CAGLE: Can you give us an update on where 7 truck can now have a decent truck to go 8 license sales stand and kind of how we 8 check for compliance. 9 compare to other years? 9 So I don't want people to think that 10 DIRECTOR SYKES: Yeah, I can. And I might as 10 just because that baiting license passed 11 well while I'm here. I'll go ahead and 11 that we're great because we're not. It 12 do this. Scott took the liberty of 12 just allowed us not to have to cut 13 going a little extra, so I will too. 13 budgets this year. 14 Grady, I do know exactly how many we 14 MR. STIMPSON: Do you think the baiting 15 sold, and I guess it needs to be in the 15 changed your harvest numbers any? 16 record. 16 DIRECTOR SYKES: And it may have been you that 17 Last year we sold 146,828 all game 17 said in your report that deer seem to be 18 hunting licenses. This year we sold 18 more nocturnal. That's been proven in 19 151,286. So that was an increase of 19 state after state after state after 20 4,458. 20 state. We're getting reports from some 21 MR. HARTZOG: Good. 21 people it was the greatest season they 22 DIRECTOR SYKES: So our license sales went up 22 ever had. Others think it's the worst 23 this year. Small game went up. 23 thing that ever happened. It's all in 73 75 1 how you use it and is a personal 1 I'm going to ask the participants and 2 preference. 2 our folks here visiting with us today to 3 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Mr. Cagle. 3 be respectful, reserve your comments, 4 MR. CAGLE: Mr. Chairman, I want to ask one 4 please, inside this hall. No applause 5 more follow-up question. 5 and no outbursts. 6 So we sold 151,000 all game hunting 6 And so let's move on with the first 7 licenses. Do you think we have more 7 one. Ms. Jones is going to hold time 8 than 151,000 hunters? 8 with the three minutes, and we'll 9 DIRECTOR SYKES: Oh, absolutely. That's 9 reserve the right to give you a few 10 another thing that we ran this year. 10 extra moments to finalize your 11 With that baiting privilege it had no 11 statement. 12 exemptions. So we had 27,000 people 12 So with that, our first speaker 13 that bought a baiting license that did 13 today -- is there anything else that 14 not have a hunting license. So that is 14 I've left out that you want to know? 15 private landowners on their own 15 You're going to have to speak 16 property, under 16, over 65. So for the 16 into -- if you talk softly -- I don't. 17 first time in the we 17 But if you talk softly, speak into the 18 can count them now as hunters. That 18 microphone and get close to it or we 19 gives us a bigger portion of the PR 19 can't hear you. 20 dollars that's set aside for Alabama. 20 So our first speaker today is 21 Whether it's good, bad, whether you 21 Mr. Randy Campbell. 22 agree with it or not, it did have some 22 MR. CAMPBELL: Good morning, gentlemen. 23 positive impacts to our budget, and, 23 Appreciate the time. My name is Randy

74 76 1 more importantly, the legislature gave 1 Campbell, and I live in Alpine, 2 us the authority to manage baiting and 2 Tennessee. And for the past -- and I 3 feeding of wildlife in the event of a 3 have for the past 22 years. Before that 4 disease. So philosophy aside, ethics 4 I lived in the state of Florida. 5 aside, whether you like it or not, in my 5 I have been in the rattlesnake 6 opinion the Department is better off 6 business for 33 years, and I've been 7 today than it was before it passed. 7 picking up dead rattlesnakes in Alabama, 8 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Any other questions from the 8 Florida, and Georgia since I began. I 9 Board? 9 am here because about a year ago 10 (No response.) 10 required permits to deal with 11 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Director Sykes, thank you 11 rattlesnakes in Alabama was enacted. I 12 very much. Appreciate it. Appreciate 12 applied for these requests for the 13 it very, very much. 13 permit, and I was denied three times. 14 MR. HARTZOG: Thank you, Chuck. 14 Gentlemen, let me explain my 15 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: The next portion of our 15 business. I pick up dead rattlesnakes 16 meeting today will be public comments, 16 from the mom-and-pop stores in rural 17 which is very important to what we do. 17 areas like you were talking about 18 We appreciate everybody being here. 18 earlier. They pay a couple of dollars a 19 You have three minutes at the 19 foot for a rattlesnake to the public, 20 podium. We call your name. Your three 20 and I double that money to the 21 minutes start when you get there. I ask 21 mom-and-pop stores. 22 you -- we only have eight speakers 22 I spend tens of thousands of dollars 23 unless somebody else has signed up. So 23 on rattlesnakes in the state of Alabama, 77 79 1 Florida, and Georgia every year. The 1 that we have done for the past 33 years. 2 money people get for turning in a dead 2 Thank you. 3 snake instead of letting it rot buys 3 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you. Hold your 4 them milk -- a couple gallons of milk, a 4 position. 5 little bit of gas. The country store 5 Any questions for Mr. Campbell? 6 receives 200 to $500 a month, and on a 6 COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP: Mr. Campbell, I 7 little country store that's a lot of 7 would like to ask you to speak with Amy 8 money. 8 Silvano while you're here today. 9 The snakes that I collect are from 9 Before you leave today, Amy, will 10 natural kills, run over by a car, 10 you please talk with him. Thank you. 11 tractor, farm equipment, encountered by 11 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Mr. Campbell. 12 farmers, somebody in their yard, 12 Our next speaker is Brandon Jackson. 13 somewhere on the farm that would 13 MR. JACKSON: I'm Brandon Jackson. I own 14 actually throw that snake away, and I 14 Riverside Fly Shop and have since 2005. 15 turn it into a natural resource. I tan 15 I appreciate the Board for all that 16 rattlesnake hides, canebrakes, western 16 you do and the Department for all that 17 diamondbacks, and I furnish them to the 17 they do. Congratulations on that award. 18 boot companies. 18 That's pretty awesome. Appreciate our 19 If you ever see a rattlesnake boot 19 enforcement officers. 20 in a western store, it came from us, a 20 Officer Jonathan does a lot of work 21 family business, my son and myself. I 21 on the river where we're at. We own the 22 pick up just a tiny fraction of the 22 shop on the river below Smith Lake on 23 naturally killed snakes in Alabama. I 23 the Sipsey Fork, and he does a great

78 80 1 also pick up snakes in Florida which no 1 job. It's not often you find a guy who 2 longer requires a permit. And Georgia 2 can write somebody a ticket and they 3 requires a permit, and I give them a 3 walk away smiling afterwards, but that 4 report every month -- every year. 4 seems to be the case with him often on 5 According to my rattlesnakes -- the 5 our river. 6 rattlesnake is thriving in Florida, 6 I have two things that I'd like to 7 Georgia, and Alabama. The report that I 7 express. I'm part of Trout Unlimited, 8 have given you took months to compile 8 and that's a group that has a national 9 and will show you the number of 9 organization but also has a chapter in 10 rattlesnakes actually in the hundreds of 10 Alabama. And recently that chapter, the 11 thousands are healthy and abundant. 11 state chapter, raised over 10,000 -- 12 If you'll turn to page 13, you'll 12 around $10,000 for a feasibility study. 13 see ten pickup sites, and at the bottom 13 We are contracting with Chris 14 you'll see how many snakes that I buy 14 Metcalfe. He was the person responsible 15 per year. And those numbers fluctuate 15 for the work that Alabama Power did on 16 very little. 16 the Sipsey Fork in improving it and 17 Gentlemen, I want to comply with the 17 making it more accessible and a better 18 law, have done due diligence just to do 18 fishery. And he's going to do a 19 that, and I have been denied a permit. 19 feasibility study to see how much it 20 I stand before you today -- 20 would cost, whether it is feasible or 21 MS. JONES: Time. 21 not feasible, to implement the same 22 MR. CAMPBELL: -- requesting to be issued a 22 patterns for a lower section of the 23 permit for myself, my son, and my family 23 river. 81 83 1 Only a very small section was done 1 MR. HARTZOG: Mr. Brandon, one question. 2 originally through the work that Alabama 2 MR. JACKSON: Yes, sir. 3 Power did, and we're using those funds 3 MR. HARTZOG: Since the brown trout has a 4 to help look at the possibility of 4 higher temperature tolerance than the 5 improving larger sections of the stream. 5 brook trout, why are you looking -- 6 That would make it match more closely to 6 because the further you go downstream 7 other states that have improved areas of 7 trying to enhance that habitat the 8 their streams bringing in more revenue, 8 warmer the water gets, and if the brown 9 more anglers, and more opportunities, 9 trout is more tolerable to higher 10 and that's what we would like to see. 10 temperature, why is the brook trout the 11 How we see that being used is to provide 11 species of choice instead of the brown 12 greater opportunities to more people. 12 trout? 13 In order to raise that money, this 13 MR. JACKSON: Brown trout would be my choice, 14 local chapter, the Sipsey chapter of 14 but we've been denied that on several 15 Trout Unlimited, was one of the first 15 occasions. But the brook trout was more 16 tailraces ever to be granted money 16 favorable. It seems from my 17 through the national organization of 17 understanding -- I'm not a fisheries 18 Trout Unlimited. So the national 18 biologist, but my understanding is that 19 organization sees the potential of this 19 they typically stay closer to the dam 20 stream. But it was also one of the 20 and therefore would be less likely -- 21 largest number of unique donors to any 21 because they like colder waters -- less 22 of their fundraisers. So within that 22 likely to go into areas that might 23 section we had more people interested in 23 adversely impact other fish or other

82 84 1 our stream in Alabama than in any of the 1 areas of the fishery. 2 other streams that were in that drive 2 MR. HARTZOG: Okay. 3 nationally. 3 MR. JACKSON: But the area that we're looking 4 The second thing is I've been able 4 to improve is from the bridge up. So 5 to secure funding for two stockings of 5 we're still only looking at about 6 brook trout per year. In previous 6 3 miles downstream from the dam. If 7 meetings with the Board we've talked 7 there is much of a temperature change, 8 about the possibility of brook trout, 8 it would be minute at that point. 9 and that was -- that was a favorable 9 MR. HARTZOG: Okay. 10 opinion. We've talked about brown 10 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Any other questions? 11 trout, not so favorable -- 11 MR. CAGLE: Mr. Chairman? 12 MS. JONES: Time. 12 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Mr. Cagle. 13 MR. JACKSON: -- but brook trout was much more 13 MR. CAGLE: And I think my comments are mostly 14 favorable. And we have been able to 14 directed at the Department. 15 secure those funds. 15 I appreciate all the effort and 16 I would like and look forward to the 16 resources the Department has invested in 17 opportunity to work with the Department 17 this great fishery. The research that 18 in purchasing those fish, stocking those 18 Auburn did was great. It's a very 19 fish, and working with the Department on 19 significant investment to do that. The 20 that effort. 20 Department has worked well to make this 21 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Brandon. 21 great fishery what it is working 22 Any questions from the Board? 22 alongside private companies that have an 23 Mr. Hartzog. 23 interest in it and have been supportive. 85 87 1 And it's a very unique resource. We're 1 operation, either pay to hunt by the day 2 very blessed to have it. 2 or pay a lease. Either way this 3 Appreciate y'all's efforts and just 3 situation is very dangerous. 4 continuing to look at ways to make it 4 My family and I and my guests have 5 better recognizing that, you know, the 5 been out on our horses running our bird 6 improvements to get us this far were 6 dogs, jumping deer or a wounded deer, 7 easy. It gets a lot harder to make 7 and before that thing gets off the 8 something that's good a little bit 8 property these deer hunters are shooting 9 better because you've already picked the 9 at the deer on our place. They're not 10 low-hanging fruit. But appreciate 10 waiting for it to cross the line. 11 y'all's efforts in continuing to work 11 So what I'm asking you to do is to 12 with the resource users of that to see 12 provide me some protection and my guests 13 what's possible and look at each step 13 and my family, have these deer stands 14 with U.S. Fish and Wildlife. 14 limited to the distance from the 15 So just appreciate what y'all have 15 property line, also the direction that 16 done. It's a great resource that we 16 they face, that they do not face the 17 all -- that everyone in the state gets 17 adjoining property. 18 to enjoy. And, you know, I think it's 18 I'm not the only one that has this 19 great that we have an opportunity to 19 problem. I have fellow landowners in 20 look for ways to make it even a little 20 Bullock County that are in the cattle 21 bit better if it works within the 21 business. Same problem. 22 biology and all the other constraints. 22 I'm a hunter. I'm not against 23 So thank y'all for your efforts. 23 hunting. I mean, I actually have one of

86 88 1 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Any additional questions? 1 the first lifetime hunting licenses ever 2 (No response.) 2 issued by the State of Alabama. So I've 3 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Brandon. Well 3 hunted all my life and so have my 4 done. 4 children. 5 Our next speaker today is Mr. David 5 Now, this has far-reaching 6 Miller. 6 consequences. In 2019 the Youth 7 MR. MILLER: Good morning, gentlemen. Thank 7 Division of the Alabama Field Trial 8 you for the opportunity to address the 8 Association contacted me about having a 9 Board today. 9 Youth Field Trial on our property. When 10 My issue has to do with landowner 10 the directors came out to inspect the 11 safety. I own land in Bullock County, 11 property and set up the course, they saw 12 and I have for the past 27 years. My 12 these deer stands along the perimeter 13 issue today is the placement of these 13 facing our land, and they said no way, 14 deer stands from adjoining landowners 14 the safety concern is way too high. 15 for their leases with the deer stands 15 So I'm asking y'all for protection. 16 only a few feet away from our property 16 I don't know of any rule in the fish and 17 line. And they will face our property. 17 game laws -- now, some of the larger 18 Now, my place is not big. You see 18 land companies -- the timber companies 19 the diagram there on the packet that you 19 require their deer hunters to maintain 20 have there. And on that diagram it 20 50 yards from the property lines. 21 shows the position of each of these deer 21 Thank you so much for your 22 stands. And over the years it has 22 attention. 23 evolved to a commercial-type hunting 23 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Hold your place. 89 91 1 Any questions from the Board? 1 Mr. Miller has a neighboring hunter who 2 Mr. Jones. 2 fires at a deer on his property, whether 3 MR. RAYMOND JONES: This is more directed at 3 you strike the deer or not, if he 4 some of the staff. 4 witnesses that, our officers can assist. 5 How do other states handle this, or 5 We can get warrants so we can prosecute 6 do they? 6 that person. They can't fire onto his 7 CHIEF WEATHERS: It's a patchwork quilt, like 7 property without a permit written by him 8 everything. There are states that do 8 to do so. 9 have a distance from a property line 9 So we have some regulation. We have 10 regulation. Alabama does not unless 10 some law in place that would assist that 11 there's a dwelling on the other side of 11 but nothing that addresses the distance 12 the line. 12 that a stand has to be from a line 13 MR. RAYMOND JONES: Is that legislative or 13 unless there's a dwelling. 14 regulatory here? 14 MR. MILLER: What about the direction the 15 CHIEF WEATHERS: Here it would be regulatory. 15 stand faces? 16 Most likely it would be regulation from 16 CHIEF WEATHERS: It's not mentioned. 17 the Commissioner. 17 MR. MILLER: I mean, even in the packet there 18 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Just from the Chair, we've 18 we have a picture of one of these 19 dealt with this before. We've had 19 shooting houses that is perpendicular to 20 some -- we've had end resource users 20 our property line not 20 yards off the 21 come to us before about this, and it is 21 line. And they have mowed lanes toward 22 a sticky wicket. 22 our land, and the only reason they do 23 Director Sykes, any comments about 23 that is to shoot in our direction. Our

90 92 1 this? 1 horses are there. Our dogs are there. 2 DIRECTOR SYKES: I'll defer to Chief Weathers. 2 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Mr. Miller. It's 3 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Do we get more complaints, 3 indicated in the picture, and we've 4 Chief? 4 heard and we understand. We do 5 CHIEF WEATHERS: I'll talk over here where we 5 understand. And we will speak as a 6 can hear. 6 group. This is something that we will 7 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Please. Do you mind sharing 7 take under advisement and give some 8 with him, Mr. Miller? 8 consideration to. And I have your cell 9 MR. WEATHERS: We have, you know, pretty 9 phone number here, and we'll talk. 10 common complaints about the practice 10 MR. MILLER: Yes, sir. 11 about putting a tree stand on a property 11 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you. 12 line facing a property line. The only 12 Any other questions? 13 regulation we have that covers that is 13 MR. HARTZOG: Well, Mr. Chairman, I was just 14 our 100 yard rule, and that's when there 14 going to ask if Chief Weathers could 15 is a dwelling on the other side of the 15 actually possibly have his wardens in 16 property line. And that does not -- it 16 Bullock County to work -- you know, when 17 doesn't take effect if the person who 17 Mr. Miller sees somebody in those stands 18 places that stand is the landowner. So 18 and he knows somebody might be shooting 19 it would be someone who leases the land. 19 across the line, have the warden sitting 20 Now, we have a regulation they 20 there to catch the guy. You know, even 21 cannot -- you know, they, of course, 21 if you had a 100 yard rule, with today's 22 can't fire and strike a dwelling. They 22 rifles -- I mean, the guys next door to 23 can't fire across the property line. If 23 me are shooting deer at 900 yards, you 93 95 1 know. 1 District 2, in particular for Butler 2 MR. MILLER: Well, let me address that a 2 County. And I attribute that to several 3 minute. Our Conservation officer has 3 factors, and one is the fact that we 4 been promoted to a sergeant and does 4 educate our hunters 100 percent to be in 5 recruitment now. He was our 5 compliance with your rules and 6 Conservation officer, Bill Freeman. He 6 regulations. We stress that every time 7 did catch one of these groups baiting 7 we gather to hunt. 8 and shooting right there on the -- 8 The second thing is we work very 9 before it was legal. He wrote them a 9 closely with Mr. Don Knight, Mr. Lonnie 10 ticket. They were from out of state, no 10 Miller, and Ms. Susan Morrow to 11 hunting licenses, illegal hunting. They 11 alleviate any problems. 12 shot an illegal deer. The next day the 12 The third thing is that I 13 sheriff called him wanting him to drop 13 communicate -- and Mr. Cagle can attest. 14 the charges. 14 About three years ago we had an issue in 15 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: All right. This is -- thank 15 our area. I come up with an action 16 you very much for your comments, and 16 plan. We implemented it. And I believe 17 it's something, again, I think the Board 17 that plan has gone away forever. And 18 wants to -- 18 that's through the communication with 19 MR. MILLER: Thank you for hearing my 19 Mr. Cagle. 20 complaint. 20 Another thing that's helped us in 21 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you. 21 our area is the Garmin -- the Alpha 22 Our next speaker is Mr. Jimmy 22 Garmin. That's been the greatest thing 23 Jimmerson. 23 since sliced bread for hunters. We are

94 96 1 MR. JIMMERSON: I can assure y'all that my 1 transitioning to that. Basically if my 2 comments are going to be a lot shorter 2 dog is running a mile from here on our 3 than they've been in the past few years. 3 property and I want him to stop, he will 4 I just want to say thank you to 4 stop and come back. That has been 5 Chuck, your staff, and to the 5 fantastic. So we're going to be in 6 Commissioners and to everyone that's 6 100-percent compliance with that, and 7 worked on this project as you've shown a 7 we're working toward that goal to 8 lot of diligence and persistence. I 8 alleviate to have zero issues. 9 think it's going to be a whole lot 9 Our relationship -- the game warden, 10 better for the folks hunting in Cleburne 10 I believe, is Mr. Forrester. He's very 11 County. Thank you. 11 professional. He had interaction with a 12 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Mr. Jimmerson. 12 couple of our hunters this year, and 13 Our next speaker is Mr. Donald 13 they're very complimentary about his 14 Nelson. 14 professional demeanor. And we 15 MR. NELSON: Good morning. Thank you, 15 appreciate that. 16 Commissioner and Board Members, for 16 One thing I would ask is if you have 17 allowing me to speak. 17 a problem -- I've been in Butler County 18 I've been blessed about the last 50 18 hunting for over 50 years. My family 19 years to be able to hunt in District 2 19 has land there. Please communicate if 20 in Mr. Grady and Mr. Patrick's area and 20 you have a concern or problem, and I can 21 particularly in Butler County. And what 21 sit there and help alleviate the problem 22 I'd like to do is just say thank you to 22 so you don't get the calls and I don't 23 them for the great report they got from 23 worry about the privilege of allowing my 97 99 1 grandsons to hunt with me to be taken 1 Association, and I still represent them 2 away. I do not want to lose that 2 today. I also today represent the 3 privilege right there. 3 Southeastern Dog Hunting Association, 4 One thing I would ask: Due to the 4 the Suwannee River Dog Hunting 5 fact of all the great reports I heard 5 Association, and the Florida Airboat 6 this morning, I would appreciate it if 6 Association. I don't just do hunting. 7 you would allow us to continue to hunt 7 I also have represented IGFA, the 8 in Butler County in District 2 the way 8 Florida Tarpon Anglers, Safari Club 9 we have for the last several years and 9 International to name just a few. 10 not impose any regulation. I know 10 In July of last year -- or June 11 you're trying to make it better. We're 11 rather, the deer hunting association 12 trying to make it better. And my 12 here in Alabama asked me to come over 13 commitment is I will work with you any 13 and speak with them to address and see 14 way I can. I've been here a number of 14 if I could help them with the deer dog 15 years to this board and am extremely 15 trespass rule that the Commissioner was 16 appreciative of what you do. 16 developing. I came over and met with 17 And the Color Guard, appreciate 17 them, and I told them -- I said, folks, 18 those gentlemen. The NCO I saw was a 18 I'll be happy to help you if you want to 19 Marine. I'm a retired Marine. So I saw 19 be helped. I don't use an excuse that 20 that in that. I'm very proud of what 20 deer dogs can read a trespass -- can't 21 they did this morning. 21 read a trespass sign. Those days are 22 Thank you very much, gentlemen. 22 long gone. I represent ethical and 23 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you. 23 responsible hunters. And I said if

98 100 1 Any questions? 1 that's what they were and they wanted to 2 (No response.) 2 hire me, I would go to work for them, 3 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you very much, 3 and they did. 4 Mr. Nelson. 4 We met with the Commissioner, and I 5 Our next speaker is Mr. Lane 5 think the first thing out of my mouth to 6 Stephens. 6 him was that, Commissioner, half of my 7 MR. STEPHENS: Thank you, Chairman and 7 job is educating them on what your 8 Commissioners. My name is Lane 8 issues are and then educating you on 9 Stephens. I am with the firm SCG 9 what their issues are. It's a two-way 10 Governmental Affairs out of Tallahassee, 10 street, and only through that two-way 11 Florida, and I'm here representing the 11 street can I help my clients to come to 12 Alabama Dog Hunters Association. 12 a mutual understanding. 13 You may ask yourself what in the 13 The Alabama Dog Hunters Association 14 world is a guy from Tallahassee doing in 14 supported the deer dog trespass rule 15 Montgomery representing dog hunters. 15 that the agency put forward, and we're 16 Well, as a contract lobbyist, I've been 16 ready to continue working with the 17 lobbying in Florida since 1993. And I 17 agency on that issue moving forward and 18 represent insurance companies and banks 18 on other issues. And to that end, the 19 and health-care companies, manufacturing 19 association has created a stakeholder's 20 companies, but my passion is 20 group representing dog hunters from 21 representing sportsmen organizations. 21 around the state, and I'll be working 22 In 1998 I was retained by the 22 with them to look at potential model 23 Florida Dog Hunters and Sportsman's 23 legislation and rules that will continue 101 103 1 to provide for ethical and responsible 1 you won't like my fix if you don't come 2 hunting in this state and by those that 2 up with a fix. 3 use dogs for that. 3 And what we instituted in 2004 was a 4 I look forward to coming back and 4 statewide permit system on private 5 visiting with all of you further and 5 lands. The agency would take care of 6 would be happy to take any questions if 6 all the WMAs and government lands 7 you have any. 7 through rules. They can just set the 8 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Any questions? 8 rules however they want to do that. But 9 Mr. Cagle. 9 on private land we pushed for -- and it 10 MR. CAGLE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With 10 was adopted -- a mandatory requirement 11 this I think I've fulfilled my quota on 11 that if you're going to run deer with 12 comments. So this will be my last one. 12 dogs on private land, no matter the 13 Mr. Stephens, I know you've shared a 13 size -- you can run on 5 acres or 20,000 14 little about maybe some of your 14 acres -- it's a free registration permit 15 experience in Florida and some of the 15 that that land had to be registered with 16 rules there. I know Florida has put in 16 the state and a registration number 17 place a pretty comprehensive regulatory 17 issued. That number then had to appear 18 regime related to deer dog hunting. Can 18 on the collar of the dog and every 19 you share some of that and any thoughts 19 member of that club or whoever was on 20 you have if any of that could be adapted 20 that land had to have the registration 21 for Alabama? 21 number. 22 MR. STEPHENS: I thank you for the question. 22 That move in itself saved dog 23 In Florida -- you're right. Florida 23 hunting for deer in the state of

102 104 1 has for 25 years been working on 1 Florida. We've now got well over 200 2 preserving the sport of hunting deer 2 properties in the state registered. 3 with dogs. We now have 21-and-a-half 3 And, again, some of those are 20,000, 4 million people living in the state of 4 30,000 acres. Some of them may be 10. 5 Florida, and the pressures continue to 5 The individuals are held 6 mount. 6 responsible, not the club. The 7 The first six years that I 7 individuals are held responsible by a 8 represented dog hunting organizations 8 deer hunters responsibility rule. 9 starting in '98 it was reactive. You 9 That's the dog trespass rule that y'all 10 know, it was the ole whack-a-mole. An 10 were trying to pass here last fall. 11 issue would come up and we would take 11 That rule holds -- says that if a dog is 12 care of that issue and then another 12 pursuing game on someone else's property 13 issue would come up and we'd take care 13 without them having permission of that 14 of that issue. 14 landowner, the game warden can write 15 In 2004 the agency in Florida and 15 that citation to the owner of that dog. 16 the deer dog hunters basically had a gun 16 We've seen the number of citations and 17 pointed to their head. The incoming 17 complaints drop dramatically since all 18 speaker of the house called me up. We 18 of that was put in place. 19 were good friends. And he said, are you 19 In 2015, based upon some pressures 20 representing them dog hunters? I said, 20 that were going on in Blackwater State 21 yes, sir. He said, well, I'm going to 21 Forest, the dog hunters in Blackwater 22 give you an opportunity to work with the 22 State Forest worked with the agency and 23 agency to fix deer dog trespassing and 23 asked the agency to implement mandatory 105 107 1 GPS and training collars if you're going 1 that time was a gentleman by the name of 2 to run dogs in Blackwater Forest. And 2 Rodney Barreto . And Rodney and I 3 they did that, and it's been extremely 3 worked closely to get support for that 4 successful. That saved dog hunting in 4 permit system. We spent a year doing 5 Blackwater State Forest. It would have 5 that and having stakeholder meetings. 6 gone away because of the inholdings if 6 He's back on the Commission now, and he 7 the hunters didn't do that. 7 made the comment during discussion of 8 But I mentioned being proactive. A 8 this issue the other day -- he said -- 9 number of years ago as we saw how the 9 you know, he said it's amazing. He said 10 collars were working in Blackwater, the 10 in 2004, dog hunters, we had to drag 11 hunting organizations went to the agency 11 them to the table to pass the permit 12 and said we think we ought to look at 12 system. He said here in 2020 or '19 13 mandatory GPS and training collars for 13 when it was started -- he said the dog 14 deer dogs. And the agency staff said, 14 hunters are proactive. They're being 15 you know, we think that may be a good 15 proactive and asking us to do things to 16 idea, but we don't think the time is 16 help them protect their sport. 17 right to try to place that in rule at 17 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you. Thank you, 18 this time. 18 Mr. Stephens. 19 It took several years of them seeing 19 Any further questions? 20 what was going on in Blackwater, hearing 20 (No response.) 21 from other hunters around the state 21 MR. STEPHENS: Thank you. 22 positive comments about the collars. So 22 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you very much. 23 candidly we were a bit surprised in 23 COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP: I would like to

106 108 1 October of this year when the agency 1 tell Lane thank you for -- I do 2 released its proposed rules for 2 appreciate working with you over the 3 mandatory tracking and training collars. 3 last year and appreciate your 4 It doesn't say GPS collars. It says 4 conversations and the work that you've 5 tracking collars because there are still 5 done. Look forward to continuing to do 6 people that use the beep-beep telemetry 6 the same. Thank you. 7 collars. And so we wanted them to be 7 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Next is Mr. Avery Bates. 8 able to use that. 8 MR. BATES: Thank y'all for all you do and all 9 But that issue went before the FWC 9 you're going to do to help our industry. 10 in December for its first hearing. 10 I am vice president of Organized 11 Their response from online comments was 11 Seafood Association. My name is Avery 12 close to 80 percent support. At the 12 Bates. I see y'all quite often. But I 13 meeting in Panama City, I think there 13 want to say a few things and some 14 were 25 or 30 hunters that got up in 14 requests that I had made to the Board 15 support of that. There were one or two 15 and the reason behind it. 16 detractors. The rule moved forward on 16 The additional Saturdays that we 17 February 20th, two weeks ago -- or last 17 asked for for oystering was for bad 18 week. The Commission took it up for its 18 weather days and not only bad weather 19 second rule -- second hearing, and it 19 days -- but the amount of bad weather 20 passed unanimously. 20 days -- we also have that was 21 But the interesting thing about 21 mentioned -- the young people need to 22 it -- and I'll tell you -- is this: In 22 qualify, learn how to oyster. Everybody 23 2004 the Chairman of the Commission at 23 just can't oyster. But we want them to 109 111 1 be trained by their grandparents and 1 work, and the Saturdays would help. 2 their parents, and the only way to do 2 Even the Good Lord give them on 3 that is to open Saturdays. 3 Saturdays or day before the Sabbath. 4 The reason we want every Saturday -- 4 What did they get when they went to pick 5 and it was mentioned to me we don't have 5 up manna? You get what? Two extra 6 the money to hire the personnel. And 6 quarts. We're just asking for one day. 7 that was another problem we had was 7 MS. JONES: Time. 8 checking in and checking out. Sometimes 8 MR. BATES: And we've got many more things to 9 it was real long to check in or check 9 say about shrimping, crabbing, 10 out, standing in the rain or whatever, 10 floundering. But y'all ask the 11 with a limited number of days. If we 11 questions. If not, do y'all want to 12 have Saturdays -- if you wanted to go up 12 elaborate on the things that I wrote for 13 on the license $10. Then y'all went to 13 y'all? 14 a bait license for $10 and what 14 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Avery. 15 happened? What did you say, Chuck? 15 Are there any questions for Avery? 16 7,000 people got involved with buying 16 MR. HARTZOG: Not really Avery. 17 bait license. 17 What impact would it have -- I think 18 Now, we fell down in oyster license 18 Mr. Avery has an excellent point for 19 because there wasn't no oysters. In 19 these children to learn the trade. 20 fact, everybody was hollering, Avery, I 20 Would it impact the species that bad for 21 need a boat this year. Their boats 21 us to give Mr. Avery what he's asking 22 rotted under the oak trees. Why? No 22 for? 23 use. No seasons. This year the Good 23 Or let Chris --

110 112 1 Lord blessed and it looks like we're 1 COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP: I'll take that one. 2 going to have a great year pending no 2 Director Bannon has proposed that we 3 hurricanes and no major disasters. That 3 open -- that we could have the 4 means more license. 4 regulation changed to allow us to open 5 If you have more license and can get 5 on Saturdays. So I think he's already 6 the Saturdays and charge $10 more -- 6 addressed that, that that's something as 7 What is a license? $36 for an 7 a Department that we are in favor of. 8 oyster license -- commercial oyster 8 That's in your packet from the 9 license? 9 Department. 10 -- you will add money to the coffers 10 MR. BATES: This is some Saturdays he said. 11 to pay the extra time that they work on 11 We want during the season. And you 12 Saturdays. The shops will love the 12 already have control. That's 924, 13 extra oysters. 13 part A. If you see a problem with the 14 We've got as much as 80 to 85 cent 14 production, you can either shut the 15 for Alabama oysters. When I oystered 15 season or stop it. This would always be 16 regularly, the best we got was 35. It 16 in your discretion if the biologists see 17 fell down even though we had other 17 where we're taking much, much longer to 18 entities pouring oysters into Alabama to 18 get your quota, if the quota says we can 19 only 60 cent. But I want to tell you, 19 go to eight sacks, ten sacks. But you 20 you can make a good day's work at 80 20 can see if you have a problem and by 21 cent a day with six sacks of oysters. 21 regulation adjust either the quotas -- 22 But if you have three bad days that week 22 but the days here is quite critical when 23 of weather, that will put you out of 23 we had -- I seen three fronts come 113 115 1 through in one week blowing 25, 35 miles 1 do an excellent job working with the 2 an hour, and the small oyster boats -- 2 industry to make sure that the harvest 3 this is imperative that you have an 3 in our state is sustainable and that it 4 extra day not only for the school kids 4 provides the best economic benefit for 5 and the upcoming generation to learn. 5 the people down there. 6 Everybody can't catch oysters. 6 And I know Mr. Avery wants that and 7 COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP: Let me just -- 7 wants everybody to be able to make as 8 quickly, just for your information, 8 much money as they can throughout the 9 Grady -- and the rest of the Board might 9 whole year and not just condense it into 10 be interested in this -- how we manage 10 a couple of weeks if we can make the 11 oysters in this state is cooperatively 11 season last and provide good income for 12 managed with the processors and others. 12 people there. So thank you. 13 So if you don't have a processor that's 13 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Avery, very much. 14 open on Saturday, then it doesn't do any 14 MR. BATES: That's the reason we wanted the 15 good to have the reef open because 15 Saturdays, though, is just to make up 16 there's nobody for them to sell it to. 16 for some lost time. And we know that 17 So we work with the processors. 17 y'all manage the resource. We're not 18 And our season now is allowed to go 18 trying to manage the resource. And we 19 from October through April to have an 19 know that every year we have floods, 20 oyster season based on the amount -- but 20 every year. 21 we base the harvest on the amount of 21 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Avery. Thank you 22 oysters that are available in the 22 very much. We appreciate you always 23 resource to sustainably harvest. So 23 being here.

114 116 1 like this year it opened in November and 1 The next speaker is Mr. Earl Jordan. 2 we closed sometime in January. So it 2 MR. HARTZOG: While he's coming forward, you 3 was not for the full October through 3 did notice Mr. Avery had a smile on his 4 April season. 4 face today though. 5 Our staff will continue to manage 5 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Yes, yes, yes. He's smiling. 6 the resource for the most effective way 6 MR. JORDAN: Hey. My name is Earl Jordan from 7 for the resource itself and the 7 Mobile. I'm here on behalf of a 8 economics of how that's done. As you 8 ten-year-old little boy. 9 can see, if you open it on Saturdays, 9 The State of Alabama's laws for 10 that extra harvest day during that week 10 sharks is kind of complicated. They 11 will likely shorten it at the end. So 11 list size and everything for a few, and 12 you won't have as much harvest later 12 then all of a sudden it says for all 13 because you'll be condensing that 13 other sharks 54-inch fork length. 14 harvest into a shorter period of time. 14 There's a couple of species in this 15 And that may be the best to do on some 15 NOAA Shark Identification Chart. I'm 16 years because of the economic value of 16 sorry. It's a poor quality copy. I 17 the oysters, depending on what other 17 don't run an office. 18 states are open and how much value our 18 One's a finetooth, blacknose, and a 19 fishermen can get. 19 blacktip. There's a -- you can read the 20 But as you can see, it's not just as 20 max size of a finetooth is 5 foot. 5 21 easy as saying we're going to open every 21 foot is 60 inches. I'm sure NOAA is 22 Saturday. It's an extremely complicated 22 measuring those from tip to tail, not 23 process that Scott Bannon and his staff 23 fork length. That's some legal mumbo 117 119 1 jumbo; right? 1 just saying it needs to be changed. 2 Well, so I got to catch a trophy in 2 Thanks a lot. 3 the State of Alabama waters of a 3 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Hold your place. 4 finetooth shark to keep it. I got to 4 Any questions? 5 catch a trophy, 54-inch fork length. 5 (No response.) 6 The biggest they grow is 5 feet. I'm 6 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you very much. 7 sorry. 7 MR. MARTIN: Mr. Chairman, I do. 8 Okay . Blacknose, the biggest they 8 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Jeff, I'm sorry. 9 grow is 4 feet. I can't even keep one. 9 MR. MARTIN: That's okay. 10 Our legal limit, 54 inches. Can't keep 10 Is there any reason why it's like 11 it. 11 that or it's been that way or -- 12 All right. Blacktip, 6 foot. Well, 12 DIRECTOR BANNON: So in Alabama the sharks -- 13 we go to Mississippi, the next page. 13 you know, for sharks we only go out to 14 It's got two categories of sharks, large 14 3 miles. Alabama is generally a nursery 15 coastal, small coastal. One is a 37. 15 area for most shark species. Inside the 16 The large coastal was a 37 total length. 16 state waters you can catch some that are 17 Nose to the tip of the tail 37 inches, 17 of legal size. So we mimic the federal 18 you can keep it. The small one is 18 regulations, which they've done stock 19 25-inch total length. That's 19 assessments. 20 Mississippi. And you'd have to maybe 20 We don't have the ability to do the 21 Google -- I Googled this, and I'm not a 21 stock assessments on these sharks, so 22 computer guy -- to find out what these 22 we've defaulted to the federal shark 23 small coastals and large coastals -- the 23 limits. So that allows the angler to

118 120 1 categories, and I'm sure you're going to 1 not have the confusion because they're 2 find blacktip in one of those 2 more often caught in federal waters than 3 categories. 3 they are in state, other than the ones 4 All right. The next page is the 4 that we see -- bonnethead and Atlantic 5 Florida rules. It's got some -- the 5 sharpnose are caught in state waters 6 54-inch at the top. Okay. We're on 6 pretty regularly, and they have no size 7 line with them; right? 7 limit. But the others we default to the 8 Well, down here it says retain shark 8 federal rules. 9 with no minimum size limit. Guess what? 9 And we did check with Mississippi. 10 I'm telling you -- you Google it. I'm 10 They are not aware that they've actually 11 sorry about the poor quality of the 11 ever done a stock assessment within 12 copy. Blacktip is one of those. 12 state waters. And so we were trying to 13 Blacknose is one of those. No size 13 see if they had done one. It appears to 14 limit in Florida. We share all the same 14 be an arbitrary setting for the size 15 waters. I mean, I can step one foot 15 limit, so -- 16 over there and I'm in Florida and one 16 MR. MARTIN: Yeah. To me sharks are like 17 foot -- it's really all about where you 17 cobras, snakes. 18 launch the boat, right, where you bring 18 DIRECTOR BANNON: A shark is a shark. 19 the fish back to, not about where you 19 MR. MARTIN: Yeah. They're all great whites. 20 caught it. 20 DIRECTOR BANNON: Sharks are one of the most 21 Anyway, it just don't make sense. A 21 misidentified species. Our commercial 22 blacktip shark is really good to eat if 22 shark fishermen and dealers actually are 23 you know how to prepare it right. I'm 23 required by federal law to go to shark 121 123 1 identification class. We send our 1 Assistant Chief of Wildlife. 2 enforcement staff to shark 2 MS. SILVANO: Yes. So the turkey research -- 3 identification class. They can be very 3 the graduate student who was on the 4 difficult to identify. 4 turkey -- 5 MR. JORDAN: Blacktip sharks are out there by 5 Sorry. Not turkey. Wrong species. 6 the thousands. They're easy to catch. 6 -- waterfowl research project has 7 A lot of fishermen consider them 7 left, and so we just recently got on a 8 nuisance. They don't like to catch 8 new person so that we can continue our 9 them. If you get an overabundance of 9 efforts there. 10 fish in a pond, what happens to them? 10 We've shifted gears. The original 11 They get malnourished. 11 objectives in the data that was 12 I would think a lot of benefit would 12 collected for the original research 13 happen if you started keeping some of 13 project weren't where they were supposed 14 them to all the other fish species that 14 to be, and with this new graduate 15 seem to be going away, your speckled 15 student coming on, we're shifting back 16 trout, your redfish. If I got to catch 16 to those original objectives. So it 17 one the max size -- there's no other 17 will be prolonged a little bit longer 18 fish out there you got to catch the max 18 than we had originally thought. So 19 size. Redfish can grow 30-plus inches. 19 hopefully within the next two years 20 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you, Mr. Jordan. 20 we'll have some information for you. 21 MR. JORDAN: You can keep one that's 16. 21 MR. HARTZOG: Okay. 22 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Thank you. We appreciate 22 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Okay. Any other unfinished 23 your comments and appreciate you being 23 business for the Board?

122 124 1 here today. Thank you. 1 (No response.) 2 That is the end of our -- well, that 2 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Well, let's move on, then, to 3 is the last of our public speakers 3 our new business. 4 today. Our next order of business would 4 New business today, I think that we 5 be unfinished business. 5 have a motion, Dr. Lemme. 6 I would ask the Board, is there any 6 DR. LEMME: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 7 unfinished business that is before you, 7 I move that consistent with Alabama 8 before us? 8 Code Section 9-11-68 and Section 9-11-69 9 The only few things that I have on 9 that hunting and fishing license fees be 10 my notes was Mr. Jimmerson, Grady and I, 10 increased based upon the percentage 11 and that's it. Is there anything else? 11 increase in the Consumer Price Index as 12 We're squared away with 12 maintained by the U.S. Department of 13 Mr. Jimmerson. 13 Labor. 14 MR. HARTZOG: I have a question for Chuck, if 14 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Okay. I won't make you read 15 possible. 15 that again. We've been through it. We 16 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Okay. 16 all know what that means for us. It's 17 MR. HARTZOG: Chuck, where do we stand on the 17 very important. 18 research projects that we started 18 Is there a second? 19 last -- say, two years ago with the 19 MR. RAYMOND JONES: Second. 20 gadwalls and the turkeys? Are we any 20 MR. CAGLE: Second. 21 closer to getting those studies 21 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: We have a second, Mr. Cagle. 22 completed? 22 Let's have a vote on this, and we can 23 DIRECTOR SYKES: I will refer to Ms. Silvano, 23 just -- all those in favor ... 125 127 1 (All board members present respond 1 * * * * * * * * * * 2 "aye.") 2 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE 3 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Any opposed? 3 * * * * * * * * * * 4 (No response.) 4 STATE OF ALABAMA: 5 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: The "ayes" have it. It's 5 MONTGOMERY COUNTY: 6 unanimous. 6 I, Tracye Sadler Blackwell, Certified 7 Is there any other new business 7 Court Reporter and Commissioner for the State of 8 before the Board today? Any comments, 8 Alabama at Large, do hereby certify that I reported 9 questions? 9 the foregoing proceedings of the Alabama Department 10 (No response.) 10 of Conservation and Natural Resources Advisory 11 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: Being no new business and 11 Board Meeting on February 29, 2020. 12 there are to my knowledge no 12 The foregoing 126 computer-printed pages 13 announcements, Mr. Commissioner, then 13 contain a true and correct transcript of the 14 the last thing that we have to do is set 14 proceedings held. 15 the location and time of the next 15 I further certify that I am neither of 16 meeting. And we will do that with -- 16 kin nor of counsel to the parties to said cause nor 17 there will be an announcement in the 17 in any manner interested in the results thereof. 18 paper. We have not set that date and 18 This 4th day of May 2020. 19 time or location yet. 19 20 COMMISSIONER BLANKENSHIP: We're looking to do 20 ______Tracye S. Blackwell, CCR, RPR 21 it in May again, likely that third 21 ACCR No. 294 Expiration date: 9-30-2020 22 weekend in May. But we'll be trying to 22 Certified Court Reporter and Commissioner for the State 23 set that very quickly. 23 of Alabama at Large

126 1 CHAIRMAN DOBBS: And somewhere geographically 2 that we haven't been in recent years. 3 So that's it. Thank you very much. 4 This meeting is adjourned. 5 6 7 8 9 (Meeting adjourned at 10 approximately 10:54 a.m.) 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23