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No. 25
MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS
OF THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL
SECOND SESSION OF THE FORTY-FIRST PARLIAMENT
TUESDAY, 30 NOVEMBER, 1965
1. The House met pursuant to adjournment. The President took the Chair.
Members present-
The Honourable William Edward Dickson, President. The Honourable Harold Daniel Ahem, Ihe Honourable Trevor Everett Gordon The Honourable Anthony Alexander Alam. The Honourable Frederick Maclean Hewitt The Honourable Alexander Ewan Armstrong, The Honourable Reginald Stanley Jackson, • The Honourable Evelyn. Barron, The Honourable Asher Alexander Jocl, The Honourable Arthur Dalgety Bridges. O.B.E.. F.e.A., . The Honourable William Geoffrey Keighley. The Honourable Roger August Alfred Faes M.A. (Oxon.). de Bryon-Faes, K.H.S., M.A., M.Sc., The Honourable James Denis Kenny, Ph.D. (Temple, Pa.)., The Honourable John Lesley Kenny, The Honourable Harry Vincent Budd. The Honourable Christopher Augustine Love, The Honourable Cedric Alan Francis Cahill, The Honourable John Charles McIntosh, Q.C., The Honourable Herbert John McPherson, The Honourable James Edward Cahill. The Honourable James Joseph Maloney, The Honourable John Markham Carter, The Honourable Ralph Benson Marsh, C.B.E., M.C.. The Honourable William Thomas Murray, Colonel the Honourable Hector Joseph The Honourable Lindsay Annan North, Richard Clayton, B.D., B.A., LL.B., The Honourable Ernest Charles O'Dea, The Honourable Francis Henry Cockerill, The Honourable Robert Clyde Packer, The Honourable Colin Colborne, The Honourable John Guthrie Paterson, The Honourable William Robert Coulter, The Honourable William Charles Peters, The Honourable Christopher Alfred Dalton, The Honourable Frederick Graham Pratten, The Honourable Robert Lyndon Day, B.Sc., The Honourable Robert Reginald Downing, The Honourable Anne Elizabeth Press, LL.B., The Honourable Edna Sirius Roper, The Honourable Robert Hamilton Erskine, The Honourable Amelia Elizabeth Mary Brigadier the Honourable Stanley Louis Rygate, Mowbray Eskell, E.D., The Honourable Perceval Martin Maurice The Honourable Otway McLaurin Falkiner, Shipton, Major the Honourable Herbert Paton The Honourable Ernest Lloyd Sommerlad, FitzSimons, B.A., B.Ec., The Honourable George Thomas Ford, The Honourable Frank William Spicer, The Honourable John Bryan Munro Fuller, The Honourable Gavin Hamilton Sutherland, The Honourable Mabel Eileen FurIey, The Honourable Sir Edward Emerton D.B.E., Warren, K.B.E., C.M.G., M.s.M., The Honourable Walter James Geraghty, The Honourable John Alexander Weir, The Honourable Thomas Patrick Gleeson, The Honourable Ernest Gerard Wright.
2. PRAYER. 34737 14:2 \ , . MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL (30 November, 1965)
3. ASSENT TO BILLs:-The President reported and read the following Messages from His Excellency the Lieu..tenant-G~vernor:-
(1.) Appropriation BilI:- K W, STREET, Lieutenant-Governor. Message. A Bil1, intituled "An Ad to appropriate out of the ConsoUdated Revenue Fund, and certain other Funds, sums to make good the supplies granted for the ordinary annual services of the Government for the year commencing on the first day of July, 1965, and ending on the thirtieth day of June, 1966, both dates inclusive, and for charges supplementary or
4': PAPERs:-Mr. Full,er laid upon the Ttb1e the undermentioned Papers: (1;) Crown Lands Consolidation ~'ct, 1913, as amended- (a) Proposals (2) for the revocation of land dedicated and granted under Section 25. .: (b) Notification of amended fee, and charges in respect of the Church of England, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist and other denomina tions portions of the Nowra !General Cemetery. (2.) Fisheries and Oyster Farms lAct, 19·35, as amended-Amendment of Regulation 32-Netting in inland ~aters of Lakes Menindee and Pamamaroo. (3,) Gaming and Betting Act, 1912,'as amended-Amendment of Regulation 23 -Providing for an increase in the isalary of the Chairman of the Greyhound Racing Control Board. . (4.) Housing Act, 1941, as amended-Housing Improvement Act, 1936, as amended-Report of the Housing Commission of NS,W, for the year ended 30th June, 1965, (5,) Hunter District Water, Sewerage and Drainage Act, 1938, as amended Substitution of By-law No, lO-Water Restrictions. (6.) Metropolitan Water, Sewerage, and Drainage Act, 1924, as amended (a) Report of the Metropolitan Water Sewerage and Drainage Board for the year ended 30th June, 1965. (b) Amendment of By-law No.8-Increase in meter testing fees. (7.) Nurses Registration Act, 1953, as amended-Regulations 6A, 19A-Mother ,craft Nurses; Amendment of ReguLations 8, 9, 11, 12, 14, 19, 25, 25A, 28, 28A, 31; Forms lA, 2A, 2B; Schedule E. (8.) Poisons Act, 1952, as amended-Amendment of Regulation 18 (1) (aJ. 143 MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF :THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL (30 November and 1 December, 1965, A.M.)
5. PERSONAL EXPLANATION:-The Hon. J. p. Kenny made a personal explanation concerning a statement made by the Premier on 25th November, 1965, when answering a Question in regard to Transport workers, as published in the Daily Telegraph on 26th November, 1965.
6. FACTORIES, SHOPS AND INDUSTRIES (AMENDMENT) BILL:- (1.) The adjourned Debate of the Question on the motion of Mr. Bridges, "That this Bill be now read a second time,"-resumed. Question put and passed. Bill read a second time. (2.) On motion of Mr. "Bridges the President left the Chair, and the House resolved itself into a Committee of the Whole for consideration of this Bill.
And the Committee continuing to sit after Midnight,-
WEDNESDAY, 1 DECEMBER, 1965, A.M.
The Chairman having ,reported the Bill with an amendment, The House ,adopted the Report. Ordered, That the third reading stand an Order of the Day for next Sitting Day'.
7. MESSA(lES FROM THE LEGISLATiVE ASSEMBLy:-The President reported and read the following Messages from the Legislative Assembly:- (1.) Bush Fires and Fire Brigades (Amendment) Bill:-
Mr. PRESIDENT,- The Legislative Assembly having this day passed a Bill, intituled "An Act to make further provisions with respect to the declaration of bush fire danger periods and the fighting of fires in New South Wales by members of certain fire brigades established outside New South Wales; for these and other purposes to amend the Bush Fires Act, 1949, the Fire Brigades Act, 1909, and certain other Acts; and for purposes connected therewith,"-presents the same to the ,Legislative Council for its concurrence. Legislative Assembly Chamber, KEVIN ELLIS, Sydney, 30th November, 1965. Speaker. (1.) Bill, on motion of Mr. Fuller, read a first time. Ordered, That the Bill be printed. (2.) SUSPENSION OF CERTAIN STANDING ORDERS:-Mr. Fuller (on behalf of Mr. Bridges) moved, pursuant to Contingent Notice, That so ,much of the Stand ing Orders be suspended as would preclude the passing of the Bill through all its remaining stages during the present or anyone sitting of the House. Question put and passed. Ordered, That the second reading of the Bill stand an Order of the Day for next Sitting Day.
(2.) Local Government and Hunter District Water, Sew~rage and Drainage (Amendment) Bill:-
Mr. PRESIDENT,- The Legislative Assembly having this day passed a Bill, intituled "An Act to prohibit the subdivision of land within the area of operations of The Hunter District Water Board unless certain requirements have been complied with; to confer on the said Board certain powers relating to agreements for the construction of water an.d sewer mains and ancillary works; jar these purposes to amend the Local Government Act, 1919, as amended by subsequent Acts, and the Hunter District Water, SeweJ"age and Drainage Act, 1938, as amended by subsequent Acts; and jor purposes connected therewith,"-presents the same to the Legislative Council for its concurrence. " " Legislative Assembly Chamber, KEVIN ELLIS, Sydney, 30th November, 1965. Speaker. Bill, on motion of Mr. Bridges, read a first time. Ordered, That the· second reading stand an· Order of the Day for next Sitting Day, and that the Bill, in the meantime, be printed. 144 MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. (30 November and 1 December, 1965, A.M.)
(3.) Coal and Oil Shale Mine Workers (Superannuation) Amendment Bill:
Mr. PRESIDENT,- The Legislative Assembly having this day passed a,Bill, intituied "An Act to amend subsection (3A) 0/ section nineteen of the Coal and Oil Shale Mine Workers (Superannuation) Act, 1941-1964; and for purposes connected therewith,"-presents the same to the Legislative Council for its concurrence. Legislative Assembly Chamber, KEVIN ELLIS, Sydney, 30th November, 1965. Speaker. Bill, on motion of Mr. Bridges, read a first time. Ordered, That the second reading stand an Order of the Day for next Sitting Day, and that the Bill, in the meantime, be printed. (4.) Gas and Electricity (Sydney County Council) Amendment Bill:
Mr. PRESIDENT,- The Legislative Assembly having this day passed a Bill, intituled "An Act to reconstitute the Sydney County Council and alter certain constituencies 0/ that council; for these purposes (0 amend the Gas and Electricity Act, 1935, as amended by subsequent Acts; and for purposes connected therewith," presents the same to the Legislative Council for its concurrence. Legislative Assembly Chamber, KEVIN ELLIS, Sydney, 30th November, 1965. Speaker. Bill, on motion of Mr. Bridges, read a first time. Ordered, That the second reading stand an Order of the Day for next Sitting Day, and that the Bill, in the meantime, be printed, The House adjourned at Twenty-three minutes after Twelve o'clock, a.m.,. until To-day at Four o'clock, p.m.
J. R. S'IEVENSON, Clerk of the Parliaments.
NOTICES OF QUESTIONS AND MOTIONS AND ORDERS OF THE DAY
WEDNESDAY, 1 DECEMBER, 1965
QUESTIONS:- 1. Mr. W. C. Peters to ask the VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL (17 November, 1965) ,- (I.) Will the Minister have inquiries made so as to ascertain the exact per centage, if any, that was granted to manufacturers and tenderers from within New South Wales, over those firms from without New South Wales, for the supply of Caps, Hats and Helmets to the State Contracts Control Board for 1964? (2.) Will the Minister ask the State Contracts Control Board to supply the complete total price of the successful interstate tenderer for items 1 to 9 for the supply of Caps, Hats and Helmets as per 1964 Schedule? (3.) Will the Minister ascertain if a tenderer from within New South Wales for items 1 to 3 as per 1964 Schedule for the supply of 7,950 articles was £66 less than the successful interstate tenderer? (4.) If this be a fact will the Minister have inquiries made as to why these items were not given to the lowest tenderer?
2. Mr. P. M. M. Shipton to ask the VICE·PRESIDENT OF THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL (17 November, 1965),- (1.) Is the Minister aware that a demonstration organised by the Vietnam Action Committee took place in Sydney on 22 October, 1965? (2.) Were a number of people arrested as a result of that demonstration and charged with various offences? 145 MINUTES OF TIlE PROCEEDINGS OF TIIE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL (30 November and 1 December, 1965, A.M.)
(3.) Is. the Minister aware that a number of those arrested gave false occupa- tions to the police? - (4.) Is the Minister aware that twenty of those arrested were members of the Communist Party of Australia? . (5.) Will the Minister confirm these facts, which indicate that this was a phoney demonstration directed and controlled by Moscow in an attempt to discredit Australian' assistance -to the South Vietnamese Government?
3. Mr. R. R. Downing to ask the VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL (18 November, 1965) ,- (1.) Did the Commissioner of Government Transport advise the previous Government that the elimination of the Market Street section would involve the Department in a further loss of £40,000 per year-the equivalent of £770 per week? (2.) Was this estimate based on ticket sales for the previous year on the first and second sections from the Quay to Central and from .Central to the Quay. (3.) In arriving at this estimate did the Commissioner inform the previous Government that over one million passengers more each year would have to be carried to offset the elimination of the section referred to? (4.) If this is so, how does the Minister justify his statement to the House that the Government made £78,000, when according to published statements attributed to the Minister for Transport the change had resulted in a gain of 15,000 passengers per week which at 6d. will amount to £19,500 per annum stiH showing a loss of £20,500 on the estimate of £40,000, to which must be added loss of revenue of 3d. each two section traveHer? Does this show the Department's estimate was fairly accurate?
4. Mr. H. J. McPherson to ask the VICE~PRESIDENT OF THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL (24 November, 1965) ,- (1.) Does the Minister recall my expression of concern, last week, that the Department of Education appeared to be the ·Department most likely to suffer under the Government's Budget? (2.) Is the Minister aware that my concern was increased by a report in The Sydney Morning Herald of Thursday, 18th November, 1965, stating that the Minister for Education has ordered an investigation into the construction of schools planned for, and promised, by the previous Government, and that twenty·eight high schools in this category may have to be canceHed? (3.) Will the Minister inform the House the towns and/or localities concerned? (4.) Can the Minister inform the House as to the alternative measures proposed by the Government to keep up with the necessary expansion and development of State school accommodation requirements, and whether the Government has any intention of altering the present system of education in New South Wales?
CONTINGENT NOTICE OF MOTION:- Mr. Bridges to move-contingent on the Dog Bill being presented by the Legisla tive Assembly to the Legislative Council for its concurrence and having been read by the Council the first time,-That so much of the Standing Orders be suspended as would preclude the passing of the Bill through all its remaining stages during the present or anyone sitting of the House. [Notice given at 4.40 p.m., Tuesday, 28 September, 1965.]
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS-ORDERS OF THE DAY:- 1. Factories, Shops and Industries (Amendment) Bill; third reading. [Mr. Bridges.]
2. Main Roads (Amendment) Bill; second reading. [Mr. Fuller.]
3. Bush Fires and Fire Brigades (Amendment) Bill; second reading. [Mr. Fuller.]' [Standing Orders suspended for remaining stages 1 December, 1965, A.M.]
4. Local Government and Hunter District Water, Sewerage and Drainage (Amend ment) Bill; second reading. [Mr. Bridges.] 146- MINUTES OF 'THE' PROCEEDINGS OF'THE LEG'rSLATIVE' COUNCIL" (oO'November a'nd 1 December; 1965, A.M.)
5. Coal and Oil Shale Mine Workers' (SuperaMuation) Amendment Bill; second reading. [Mr. Bridges.] 6.' Gas and Electricity (Sydney County· Councii) Amendment Bill; second reading. [Mr. Bridges.]
THURSDAY, 2 DECEMBER, 1965
GENERAL BUSINESS-NOTICE OF MOTlON:- 1. Mr. Packer to, moye,- (1.) That a Select Committee be appointed to inquire into and report upon the circumstances of the application of Dr. F. Knopfelmacher for appoint ment to the vacant position of Senior Lecturer in the Department of Philosophy at the University of Sydney and in particular the following matters:- (a) The material placed before the Selection Committee in support of Dr. Knopfelmacher's application. (b) The composition of the Selection Committee. (c) The procedures normally followed by such a Selection Committee. (d) Whether tbe procedures were followed by the Selection Committee before recommending the appointment of Dr. Knopfelmacher. (e) Ariy additional material the Professorial Board had before it wbich had not been before the Selection Committee. . (f) The steps, if any, the Professorial Board took to investigate or evaluate the additional material. (g) The procedures normally followed by tbe Professorial Board in relation ~o a recommendation by its Selection Committee. (b) Whether the Professorial Board departed from normal academic proc.edures- 1. in refusing to adopt the recommendation of its Selection Com mittee, and/or 2. in the manner in which such decision was arrived at. (i) The justification existing for such departure, if any. (j) Any additional material tbat was placed before the second Selection Committee. (k) Changes, if any, that were made in the composition of the second Selection Committee. tl) Wheiher the decision of the second Seiection Committee was influenced by tbe previous action of the Professorial Board and to what extent. (2.) That such Committee have power to sit during any adjourmnent of the House, to take evidence, and to send for persons and papers. (3.) That sucb Committee consist of the following Members, viz.: Mr. C. A. F. Cahill, Colonel Clayton, Mr. Gleeson, Mr. Murray and the Mover.