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{Ninth Series, Vol. V, Second Session, 199011912 (Saka)]

No. 31, Thursday, April 26, 1990Naisakha 6,1912 (Saka)

CoLUMNS

Oral Answers to Questions: 1-27

• Starred Question Nos. 615 to 617 and 619 1-24

Written Answers to Questions: 27-394

Starred Question Nos. 618.620,622 to 624 27-40 and 626 to 635

Unstarred Question Nos. 6619 to 6622, 6624 to 40-368 6653, 6655 to 6706. 6708 to 6724, 6726 to 6740, 6743 to 6767 and 6769 to 6814

Papers laid on the Table 394-409

Assent to Bills 409-415

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance 415-435

Reported fall in the prices of Virginia F1ue Cured Tobacco resulting in distress to the tobacco growers and the steps taken by the Government to mitigate their sufferings

Dr. Biplab Dasgupta 415-416 417-423

t The Sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was adually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. (ii)

CoLUMNS

Shn Arun Kumar Nehru 416-417 430-435

Shri K.S. Rao 424--430

Matters Under Rule 377 435-439

(i) Need to set up satellite port at Visakhapatnam 435

Shrimati Uma Gajapathi Raju

(ii) Need to revive old fishing harbours and to set up 436 a new fishing harbour at Chombala (District Calicut) in Kerala

Shri Mullappally Ramachandran

(iii) Need to approve the agreement signed between the 436 management and workers of FACT, Cochin

Prof. K. V. Thomas

(iv) Need to grant more pay to Anganwadi workers and 43:" to import them proper training.

Shr; Sarju Prasad Saraj

(v) Need to ensure that stainless steel uten~iI producers 437--43E fulfil the norms laid down by the Bureau at Indian Standards

Shrimati Jayawanti Navinchandra Mehta

(vi) Need to look into the grievances of the workers of Khadi 438--43~ Ashramas in the country

Shri Mitra Sen Yadav

(vii) Need to take steps to repair the breaches in Some Canal 439

SOf\ Rameshw8f Prasad (iii)

CoLUMNS

Member Sworn 440

Discussion Under Rule 193 440-464 465-472

Atrocities on Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes

Shn K D. Sultanpurl

Shrrmati Blmal Kaur 444 -445

Shrr Ratilal Kalldas Varma 445-448

Shn Khemchandbhal Somabhai Chavda 448-453

Shn TeJ Narayan Singh 453-458

Shn Kadambur M.R. Janardhanan 458-463

Shrr Amar Roypradhan 466--469

Shn Laeta Umbrey 469-472

Statement by MInister 464-465

Enhanced Subsidy for Scheduled Castes Under fRDP 464-465

Shn Upendra Nath Verma

Committee on Private Members' Bdls and Resolution Third Report - Adopted

Bills Introduced 473-476

(1) Employment Guarantee Bill 473

by Shri Bhogendar Jha

(2) Constitution (Amendment) Bill 474 (Amendment of Article 57)

by Shri Yamuna Prasad Shastri (iv)

CoLUMNS

(3) Constitution (Scheduled Castes) Order (Amendment) Bill 474-475 (Omission of Paragraph 3 etc.)

by Prof. K.V. Thomas

(4) Const~ution (Amendment) Bill 475 (Amendment of Article 171)

by Shri Y. S. Rajasekhar Reddy

(5) Constitution (Amendment) Bill 475-476 (Insertion of new Article 15 A etc)

by Shri Harish Rawat

Forest (Conservation) Amendment Bill 476-508 (Amendment of Section 2, etc) - Withdrawn

by Shri Haribhau Shankar Mahale

Motion to Consider

Prof. N. Tomb; Singh 478-481

Shri Ishwar Chaudhary 481-482

Shri Y.S Mahajan 482-483

Shri Santosh Kumar Gangwar 483-484

Prof. Mehadeo Shiwankar 484-485

Shrimati Maneka Gandhi 485-506

Shri Haribhau Shankar Mahala 506-508

Youth Bill 508-532

Motion to Consider 508-521

Shri Hannan MoUah (v)

CoLUMNS

Shri Harish Rawat 520-527

Shri Yuvraj 522 528-530

Shn Radha Mohan Singh 530-532 (Speech Unfinished)

Resignation by Member 532

LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOKSABHA environment.

The Government is advocating 'nte- grated Pest Management ('PM) as the main Thursday, April 26, 1990/Vaisakha 6, 1912 th rust of Plant Protection strategy. This strat- (Saka) ~~" ~,,\i\~a~Q~ \(\OO~~a\\o(\ m cu\\u~a\\ mechanical and b\o\ogica\ tecl'\nique4S 'Of pests and diseases management. Adoption of thiS strategy leads to judicious and need The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock based application of pesticides.

fMR. SPEAKER In the Chair] The Government has also undertaken review of the uses in India of pesticides ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS banned or restricted elsewhere in the world.

(English} SHRI EDUARDO F~LEIRO: Sir, after all this worK having been done by the hon. Harmful effects of Pesticides on Human Minister and his Department, about ten days Body agC>--just about ten days ago--to mention an example in Bastar district of Uttar Pradesh ·615. SHRI EOUARDOFALEIRO: Will in Rajpur village about 200 people died in the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased one dinner, as a resuh of pesticide poisoning to state: of wheat flour. This is just one dramatic incidence. But India Today for instance. (a) whether the attention of Govern- among other magazines has highlighted the ment has been drawn to the reports that danger which is there in every day food by pesticides applied to plants and croos have the citizens. It had recently mentioned th~ ir harmful effects on the human bod .. "15 they an article. It expresses the opinion of e.... ry percolate in the foodgrarnslfood articles; and section, citizen and expert on this subject. J Iw ill quote the lead article appeared in India (b) It so, the reaction of Governm~nt In Today 'Poison in your food': the matter? "Repeated surveys have shown that THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL Indians are daily eating food laced with SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): some of the highest amounts of toxic (a) Yes, Sir. pesticide residues found in the world. In the process, they are exposed to the (b) The Government IS keen that, as far risk of heart disease, brain, kidney and as possible, less pNsistent and easily biode- liver damage and even cancer. gradable insecticides' are used in pest control to minimise the risks due to pesticides Even more frightening, studies indi- residues in articles of consumption and cate that right from the day our babies 3 Oral AnsW91S APRIL 26, 1990 Oral AnswelS 4

begin to suckle they are taking in pes- [English) ticides deposited in breast milk. And some readymade baby foods too are SHRI EDUARDO FAlEIRO: My ques- similarly contaminated. We are not only tion was very pointed, whether you have slowly poisoning ourselves but jeop- received or the Government has received a ardising our future generations too ... " representation for a National Pest Control Policy. If so, from whom you have received Has the Government received a repre- and when will you formulate the policy? That sentation for the formulation of a National was my question. Pest Control Policy? If so, from whom they have received the representation; which MR. SPEAKER: He has not received it. individual and which organisation? When will the National Policy on Pest Contr!>1 be SHAI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Then, I formulated and tabled on the floor of the have to give a notice of privilege because I House by the hon. Minister? have received a copy of the representation.

[Ttanslation] Now, I will put my second question. The hon. Minister has in the last part of his written SHAI NATHU AAM MIADHA: Mr. reply said that there are many pesticides Speaker, Sir, studies in respect of several which are banned or restricted. He also said aspects of adverse effect of pesticides on that the Government is undertaking a review human body have been conducted and are of their uses in India. Now, no such review is being conducted in our country. In human necessary because the World Hea~h Or- body digestive system is the first to be af- ganisation has identified these pesticides, fected followed by blood cells. It also perco- which the developed countries have banned lates in the milk of the breast feeding moth- in their own countries; they are exporting to ers. The pesticides have these three ad- third world countries in a form of neo-coloni- verse effects. There are also some statistics alist. What then Government is going to do to available with regard to adverse effect of ban the import of these pesticides such as excessive use of pesticides on different DDT, BHe and other pesticides, which are commodities all over the world. Different dangerous to health, identijjed by World

institutions have also conducted studies in - Health Organisation I and forbidden in the this regard in our country also and the con- developed countries. What are you going to clusion at which they have arrived about the do? harmful effects of pesticides shows that it is not that harmful. It is the look out of the [ Translation] Ministry to keep constant vigil, conduct tests fro'" timetotime and also conduct studies in SHAI NATHU AAM MIADHA: The this regard. In fact. it has been the concerted pesticides which have been banned in differ- effort of the Ministry to see that such pesti- ent countries of the world are not being used cides are not put to any use at all. in our country. We have evolved our own policy in this regard. Such pesticides, the MR. SPEAKER: Mirdha Ji, he has use of which has been restricted in the world, pointed out that some people have died in have also been restricted' in our country. the villages also. , am doing your job. Only permissible pesticides are being used. The Ministry takes every care to educate the farmers and provide them extension service SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: As re- about the proper use of these pesticides by gards the Basti incident, this Department is mixing them mechanically and biologically in not aware of the kind of pesticides that were conformity with the norms prescribed in this used. regard. 5 Oral Answsrs VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Oral AnSW8IS 6

[English] etc. are used to save grains in houses from some insects. These are also used in F.e." SHRI eDUARDO FAlEIRq: My ques- godowns. So far as the incident that took tion has not been answered. I seek your place in Basti is concerned, it cannot be tcue protection. My question is: Why DDT and that some people died while spraying pesti- ,BHe are not banned here when they are cides on standing crops to save them from banned a" over the developed world and all insects. There can be no death by pesticides over the socialist world? under such circumstances. Until and unless a thorough probe is made about the causes [ Translation] of this type of deaths that took place at different places, it will not be possible on my SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Great part to say that such and such number of care is being taken in the use of D.D.T. and people died of food poisoning etc. There can B.H.C. and nis not possible to ban their use be no such problem by the pesticides. , am now. These pesticides are useful in many also not prepared to accept that due to use ways and these are being used w~h great of pesticides, the food we eat could be come care. so poisonous that it could cause death of its consumer. SHRI BRIJ BHUSHAN TIWARI: Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have received information SHRt SRU SHUSHAN TIWARI: The about many tragic Incidents which were hon. Minister did not say anything about the caused due to content of pesticides and Banerjee Committee. insecticides in edible items. One such incident took place in Basti which came to our SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: The notice. The han. Member just now saId that Banerjee Committee has done a very good 300 people died in Basti due to this. But I job. The Government has been benefited by would like to tell him that only 64 people died the information collected by the committee and 74 people were admitted in the hospital. and it has made good use of it. This Commit- Yesterday 100 out of 300 people taking part tee is still working. The Government will in a marriage feast fell ill due to food poison- consider their recommendations when re- ing and now they are in hospital. This type of ceived. incidents have all along been taktng place in Gujarat, Karnataka and Rajasthan. Just now, SHRt SRIJ BHUSHAN TIWARI: Have the hon. Minister has said that he is review- they not finalised their recommendations? ing the matter as to which poisonous sub- stance proved fatal and then only he would SHRI NA THU RAM M1RDHA: We have be able to do anything in this regard. In this constituted yet another Committee which connection, I would like to tell him that a would constantly look into all these things. Committee called the Banerjee Committee Whatever action is deemed fit will be taken. was constituted in 1988. The said Commit- The Govemment utilises the information tee had made some recommendations. being collected by them. Would the hon. Minister please let me know as to how many recommendations of the [Englishl above Committee have been Implemented by the Government and what has been \he\£ SHR\ P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: Mr. effect? If the recommendations have not so Speaker. Sir. normally we have seen Minis- far been implemented, the reasons there- ters holding certain portfolios or in charge of for? certain Departments, answering on behalf of a Minister who belongs to another Depart- SHRI NATHU RAM MIROHA: Mr. ment. That is understandable. With the per- Speaker, Sir. pesticides are used to save the mission of the Speaker it is done. But here, standing crops from the insects. Insecticides unfortunately. it is not being done on behaH. 7 Oral Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Oral AnswelS 8

If one looks at the paper supplied to us, at sonnel who handle these poisonous objects. least the answer to the question, ~ says 'the But no such technical personnel is available Minister of Food and Civil Supplies· ... (Inter- to private users. They leam the technique ruptions) and put them in use by, applying their own intelligence. MR. SPEAKER: t have already seen it and I will get it examined. [English]

SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: It is SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: For not that r have anything against MirdhaJi, suicide, they take it as tablet. Sir... (Interruptions) [ Trans/ation] MR. SPEAKER: You have raised a point and I will get it examined. MR. SPEAKER: People take it as tablets to comm~ suicide. SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGAlAM: Sir, there is a specific question which I would like SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Anybody to ask Mirdhaji. There is a very deadly toxic could consume poison in any form he likes pesticide which goes by the name of 'cell and commit suicide. Even I~ss effective phos'. It is like tablets and is normally sup- poisons could cause harm to its user. The posed to be used in large godowns where insecticide, the name of which was men- wheat is stored. But it is sold as almost tioned by the han. Member is being used by tablets to farmers and off the sheH and it is technical personnel in order to protect the used often for suicide. I understand that an foodgrains and save them from insects. The analysis in India shows that there have been farmers who store paddy and wheat in large eight thousand cases of persons who com- quantities, also make use of this insecticide. mitted suicide using the cell phos pesticide, They learn the technique from technically which is a deadly toxic material. I wonder qualified personnel. H somebody does not what is the reason for which the Government learn the technique properly and uses pesti- has not banned this. I would like to know cides without proper guidance, he will have whether in respect of the Basti poisoning to face the consequ~nces. which took place, the forensic report has come or not. We understand that it is an [English] organa phosphorus set up. but I would like to know the details because thert! it is very SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: Why clear that the load was poisoned by pesti- can't you give it on prescription. cides. We would like to know what was the type of pesticide and whether the Govern- rTranslation] ment would ban that particular pesticide. SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: As I have [ Translation) already said, it is not possible to give it on prescription in each and every case. Who SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Mr. will give a prescription? When somebody Speaker, Sir, he gave the name of an insec- approaches a shopkeeper selling these ar- ticide which is generally used in godowns to ticles, the same shopkeeper gives some protect the foodgrains from insects. Some- basic idea about the use of the pesticide. times, the farmers take this insecticide for their private use. There is also an insecticide SHRI RAGHAVJI: The han. Minister to kiff rats, viz. zinc oxide, which is used in said in his reply that there are a number of godowns to protect foodgrains. These insec· pesticides and insecticides which have been ticides are aJso being used in and F:C.I. either banned or their use has been re~ godowns. There are qualffied technical per- stricted in foreign countries. The Govern- 9 Oral AnsW8/S VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Oral AnSW91S 10

ment is thinking as to what should be done in by our Government a year ago with a grace respect of the above pesticides and insecti- period of one year. Now, after having banned cides in our country. For last several years a these things, why do the Government of number of pesticides and insecticides have India delay the effective implementation of been banned in foreign countries but they the ban, whether it is soft drinks, whether it is are being imported into our country and pesticides. The WHO says that these things payment is being made in foreign exchange should not be used, why should the Govern- for these imports. As such I would like to ment of India use them? It is insensitive to know from the hon. Minister as to what are our health and well-being and explOitation of those pesticides and insecticides which have the developing countries. (Interruptions) been banned in foreign countries and when such a ban is likely to be imposed on them on { Translation1 our country? SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Mr. [ Translation1 Speaker, Sir, in the beginning itseH the han. Members has given a political tinge to this THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL issue, when she stated that this Government SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): are a Government of Committees. Unless Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have got the detailed she delivers such speeches, she feels information about the drugs which are per- somewhat uncomfortable. She has also mitted under the Law and we are using only stated that a ban had been imposed on the those drugs. The Government have imposed use of some drugs but the present Govern- restrictions on the use of such drugs even in ment have now permitted it. I would like to our country, which do not SUit us and which say that it is absolutely wrong. have been banned in the foreign countries. So we do not use these drugs. At present SHRIMATI SUBHASHINI All (Kanpur): these drugs are permitted under section-93 Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to say that just of the Law. We will.use only the permrtted a few days back, about two hundred people brands of pestiCides and will not use the died in Basti District ..... , (Interruptions) Their restricted ones. As perthe Information avail- death has been attributed to the residue able with me, there are two lists of restricted content of some pesticides in the wheat they drugs in our country. The lists are quite bIg, had consumed. It resulted in the absorption if you want I may reaQ them out otherwise I of poison in their system and consequential will lay them on the Table of the House. death of these persons. It means that the pesticides that are being imported in our [English] country are becoming the health hazard for the people of this country. I would like to SHRIMATI UMA GAJAPATHI RAJU: know from the Hon'ble Minister whether the Sir, Jwould like to point out that this Govern- Government propose to form ulate a policy in ment are only a Government of Committees. respect of pesticides. While formulating such They have effected some bans on certain a policy, medical, scientific and agricultural drugs which are not actually implemented. experts should be consulted and involved The World Hea~h Organisation has banned and multi-national corporations should not certain drugs, certain pesticides. But the be allowed to operate here and kill the people Government of India are saying that they are of our country by treating them as guinea considering the ban. When the W.H.O. has pigs. already said that drugs 'A', 'B' and 'C' are banned, why should the Government of India SHRt NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Mr. delay the ban? This is what I want to know. Speaker, Sir, the Hon'bla Members have Sir, I also want to draw the attention of the delivered good speeches. In reply to 1heir Minister to the fact that B. V.O. chemical speeches, I would like to make a short agent which is used in soft drinks was banned speech...... (Inteffuptions) 11 Oral AnSwelS APRIL 26, 1990 Oral Answers 12

MR. SPEAKER: Please give your reply. [English)

SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: I am SHRITARITBARANTOPDAR: As Mr. giving reply to the speeches. Chatterjee has suggested, the Minister should hold an inquiry. (Intenvptions) MR. SPEAKER: Leave the speech part. [ Translation] SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: She has not asked any question in her speech. She SHRI NATHU RAM MIADHA: So far as has made a mention of an incident that had the point of these mishaps is concerned, taken place in Basti District. The Ministry of these have not taken pface just on account of Agriculture has no proof to substantiate it the presence of pesticides in the foodgrains. that any such pesticide was sprayed on the That is the information we have got. How- wheat crop at the tlllle when ~ was still ever if there is some fau~ on the part of the growing in the fields. So tar as the pesticides Government, we will rectify it. But so far we to which she has referred ... (Interruptions) have not received any such report. (Interrup- tions) MR. SPEAKER: He will get the Informa- tion and furnish the same later on. (/nterrup- SHRIMATI SUBHASHINIAU: Thefocal tions) point of my question was whether the Gov- ernment proposed to consider the formula- [English] tion of a National Pesticide Policy?

SHRI EDUARDO FAlEfRO: ThiS is a SHRI NATHU RAM MIADHA: The disgraceful answer. Everybody says, every Government have been formulating such a newspaper says that they have died. but you policy and also constantly reviewing ~ and say that they have not dIed. It is most unfor- even in tuture the Government will continue tunate. (Interruptions) to review this policy? (Interruptions)

SHAI HAAfSH RAWAT: Sir, it is a MR. SPEAKER: Next question, Shri serious matter. There should be Half-an- Pandeya! hour discussion on this. The Mimster's answer has created so many new questions. [ Trans/ation] So, there should be Half-an-hour discussion on this. (Interruptions) Implementation of National Ollseeds Development Programme

SHAI NIAMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: + Let him not answer it today. Let him Inquire *616. DR. LAXMINAAAYAN PAN- and find out and answer later on. (lnterrup- DEYA: lions) SHAI CHHABIRAM AAGAl:

[ Translation] Will the Minister of AGRICUL TUAE be pleased to state:

SHAI VASANT SATHE: Have you (a) whether the National Oilseeds understood the crux of the question? Is the Development Programme is being imple- Government going to formulate a policy mented by various State Governments with regarding pesticides which are being sold In the help of Union Development; the open market and which any body can purchase? (Interruptions) (b) if so, the measures taken by Union 13 Oral Answers VAISAKHA6, 1912 (SAKA) Oral Answers 14

Govemment to ensure timety supply of discuss the requirement of seeds and ac- desired quality of seeds to various States; cordingly they ar~ producing the basic seeds and in their farms and then, after the multiptica- • tion of these seeds, they are supptying it as (c) whether Government propose to per the requirements of the State Govern- bring forward some legilsation under which ments. These four organisations jointly the responsibility of timely supply of seeds to undertake the work of supply of seeds. aU the States as per their requirements will lie w~h the Union Government? DR.LAXMINARAYAN PANDEYA: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am not satisfied with the reply [Eng/ish] to my question. , would like to know whether the Governmem propose to see that provi- THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL sions of the Central Seeds Act which is a SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): Central Act, are complied with. The Hon'ble (a) Yes, Sir. Minister has answered in the negative. I want to know whether necessary provision (b) Production and the timely supply of will be made in this legislation, so that the quality seeds is primarily the responsibilityof supply of seeds may be improved. The pro- the State Governments. However, arrange- gramme of producing Soyabean and sun- ments to meet the seed requirements are flower has been undertaken in my State and tied up at the Central level with vanous seed its production also has been quite good but supplying agencies like National Seeds seeds are not being supplied in the required Corporation, State Farms Corporation of quantity. I would like to know from the Hon'ble India, State Seed Corporation and I.C.A.A. Minister whether it would be made binding system through the Zonal Seed Conferences. on these Institutions that they supply the required quantity of seeds. (c) No, Sir. There is no such proposal. SHAt NA THU AAM MIRDHA: It does [ Translation] not appear to be necessary to make amendments in the existing Act at this moment DR. lAXMINARAYAN PANDEYA: because the supply of seeds is smooth. All Madhya Pradesh is a very big oilseeds pro- these institutions have been workin9 jointly ducing State. Its oilseeds production has to supply seeds as per the requirements. It is been quite high as compared to that of other because of their cooperation that the pro- States. Mandsaur and Ratlam are the main duction of oilseeds has registered a sub- oilseeds producing districts of Madhya stantial increase. In some of the states such Pradesh. Iwould liketoknowfromthe Hon'ble as Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Haryana Minister whether the. Central Government etc., the production of oil seeds has substan- propose to include this prOVision in the Seeds tially increased and also to this date, no Act itseH that Central Seeds Corporation will complaint has been received about the supply supply the required quantity of seeds to the of seeds. First of all they sit together to chalk various State Governments and the State out a programme to assess the -actual de- Governments will get the supply of seeds mand of seeds in the states and accordingly from the Central Seeds Corporation? they regulate the production and supply of seeds. However it is the responsibility of the SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: I have Central Governmentto see how much quan- stated that there are four organisations Le.- tity and what qual~y of seeds are to be National Seeds Corporation, State Farms supplied to the State Governments. Corporation of India, State Seed Corpora- tion and I.C.A.R. which are engaged in the DR. LAXMINARAYAN PANDEYA: My work of coordination, production and supply question was specific. What I meant was that of seeds. These organisations sit together to required quantity of seeds had not been 15 Oral AnSW91S APRIL 26, 1990 Oral AnSWSlS 16 supplied to the State of Madhya Pradesh, quality. there is a law for it and action is taken which has adversely affected the oilseed under that law. production programme. (English] SHRI NA THU RAM MIRDHA: I have not received any such complaints. H any SHRI K.S. RAO: Sit, the country is such complaint is received or you pass on losing thousands of croresof rupees in terms any information in this regard remedial ac- of valuable foreign exchange by importing tion will certainly be taken: edible oils, in sp~e ofthe fact thatthe farmers in the country have got enough knowledge. SHRI CHHAVIRAM ARGAL: Mr. capacity and adaptability of latest technol- Speaker, Sir, Bhinp, Morena and Chambal ogy and are able to produce oilseeds in this in Madhya Pradesh are oilseed producing country. areas which are known for ~s high produce of oilseeds in the country also. There are The Technology Mission has already several godowns of oilseeds. Oilseeds are identified potentialities in Andhra Pradesh. supplied to other parts of the country also. We are all aware about the lot of allegations Will the Government open a centre of the in regard to quality of seeds that are supplied National Seeds Corporation or the Indian by the State Seeds Corporation or other Council of Agriculture Research at Chambal Government organisations. Keeping in view so that oilseed pr6dJJcing areas get the seeds that there is already the method of identifying easily? and giving award to the best farmers in the country, will the Ministry and the Govern- SHRI NA THU RAM MIRDHA: The hone ment think in terms of utilising the services of Member has, given the information of good these best farmers and giving them incen- production of oilseeds in Madhya Pradesh tives and awards to produce oilseeds In their and has also made a demand to ensure own areas so that they will have commit- supply of quality seeds of oilseeds there in ment, pride and satisfaction that they could adequate quantity. I feel that ff the State produce better oilseeds. Government considers it appropriate, the National Seeds Corporation may be ap- [ Translation] proached for setting up a seed godown there. H any difficulty is experienced, the State SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Mr. Government may ask the Central Govern- Speaker, Sir, the hone Member has prefaced ment to remove the difficulty. The Govern- his submission with the issue of foreign ment will defin~ely help them. (/nt9rruptions) ex~ange. Foreign exchange of the country is being spent on import of edible oils. The SHRI CHHAVIRAM ARGAL: Mr. Government is worried about it. When they Speaker, Sir. I would like to know whether wer& in power, a quantity of 18 lakh tonnes the Government is aware that sOme private of edible oils was imported. The production agencies are supplying seeds of inferior of edible oils falls short of our demand by 8- quality which adversely affects the produc- 10 lakh tonnes. There is need to convert 14 tion and the farmer have to suffer heavy lakh tonnes of other oils into edible oils. The losses due to it. Will the Government ensure action is being taken by formulating a pro- supply of seeds of good qualtty to the farm- gramme. Whether it is a question of making ~rs. Palm oil or deoiJing of oil-cakes or extracting oil from rice bran, we are trying to exploit the potential of 14 lakh toones to meet our re- SHRI NA THU RAM MIRDHA: Private quirements. At present we are producing 7to shops are also authorised to sell seeds but 8 lakh tonnes of edible oils. A programme they can seD it under a proper trade mark on has been formulated for it. I agree with you its packing. nseed$ are found to be of Inferior that the Government should give incentives 17 Oral Answef.9 VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Oral Answef.9 18· and extend facil~ies to the farmers for in- world. " is under research as to whether two creasing production of oilseeds with the use percent content of uric acid present in mus- of improved varieties of seeds. We distribute tard seeds can be eliminated from it or not? improved varieties of seeds of oilseeds to In our country the content of oil in mustard small farmers also. We provide facilities to oilseeds is 37-38 per cent while in other sma" and big farmers alike. Those farmers countries oil content is 42-43 per cent. The who help in increasing production of edible Government is aware of thisfad. The l.e.A.A. oils, are honoured by the Government and and other institutions are trying to improve National Awards are given to them. the variety of seeds which have been im· ported. The programme is also being SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV: Mr. jprepared for its proper distribution. Speaker, Sir, with your permission I would· like to know from the hon. Minister the per- [English] centage increase in production of oil seeds in Uttar Pradesh after Implementation of the SHRI BALGOPAL MISHRA: This is a scheme of increasing production of oilseeds vast country having different agro-ciimatic with the assistance of the Central Govern- zones. So, I would like to know from the han. mentto me~tthe shortage of oil andollseeds. Minister:

SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Mr. (a) Will Government of India decide Speaker, Sir, separate figures of increase in to have small research centres in production of 011 and oilseeds in Uttar Pradesh different agro-climatic zones for after Implementation of these schemes are development of oil seeds; not available with me. But I have information about the increase in production of oil and (b) The han. Minister said that "We ollseeds in the cour:ttry. I also have details are sending seeds to small and about the requirements and supply of seeds. marginal farmers." But, in practice, it has been fo~nd that the MR. SPEAKER: H iniormation IS not seeds and fertilisers etc., meant available with you at present, you may fur- for small and marginal farmers nish it later on. reach the farmers after the season is over. Usually, they are SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV: Is the han. sold in the market or consumed Minister aware of the fact that 150 petsans by the farmer. I am sorry to say lost their lives due to eXistence some poison- that the figures received by the ous content In the edible oil In Uttar Pradesh? Government are manipulated figures. MR. SPEAKER: It has been raised several times. Please sit down. Now Mr. [ Translation] Kalvi. SHRI NA THU RAM MIRDHA: "you say SHRI KAL YAN SINGH KAL VI: Sir, I that figures furnished by the Govemment would like to know whether a variety of are wrong, I cannot do anything. I would like mustard seed is being developed as a resuh to tell you that the production of oilseeds has of which not only its per acre yield and oil increased after implementation of schemes recovery will increase but bitte-rness in ~s for oilseeds in the country. As a matter of fact taste will also vanish, ~ not, whether there IS production of all other crops including a plan to import this variety of seed from oilseeds has increased. In 1985-86. oilseed other oountries? cultivation was made on 190 lakh hectares of land and its production was , 08.3 Iakh ton- SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: There nes and its per hectare yield was 510 kg. In are many varieties of mustard 5ep.d in the 1986-87, 186 ...... 19 Oral Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Orsl AnswglS 20

[English] have so far been given to the Minister concerned about the state of affairs prevailing in SHRI BALGOPAL MISHRA: My ques- the Institute for the last five years. There is tion is something different. not one charge but as many as 20 to 25 charges have been levelled. I raised this [ Translation) question earlier also but everytime I got the reply that the question of slaughter house did SHRI NA THU RAM MIRDHA: You are not arise. I have the minutes of the meeting talking about agro-climatic centres. These in which it was decided to open slaughter centres l.e.A.A. or other seed distribution house. It has the signature of Mr. Alana who centres have been set up as per the need of processed it. Now the reply comes in one the respective area. J"he researGh is being li~e that there is nothing like that. I would like conducted as to what type of seed is suitable to say that either my documents are wrong or for a particular area and fundamental seeds the reply given to me is incorrect. I would are being prepared. tt is not a new thing that again like to know from the hon. Minister in type of work is being done in Agro-climatic reference to his reply as to whether any centres. discussion was held or any move was made during the last two years in the maner? Slaughter House at Ivrl tnat Nagar SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Mr. *617. SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANG- Speaker, Sir, the hon. Member has asked WAR: Wi" the Minister of AGRICUl iURE whether any move was ever made in the be pleased to state: matter. I would like to say that an effort was made to open a slaughter house in Izzat (a) whether the Indian Veterinary Re- Nagar to process and pack buffalo meat serarch Institute, Izzat Nagar is c:on~idering scientifically. He referred to I.V.A.I. In this to open a slaughter house in collaboration regard I would like to submit that a company with a firm: approached the authorities of the University to set up a meat processing factory there in (b) if so, the details thereof: and collaboration with them. They were also ready to provide funds and undertake the work. As (c) the reasons for opening this slaugh- stated earlier,lzzat Nagar is famous all over ter house? the world for its veterinary research. The officers of that centre were thinking to set up [English] a slaughter house for buffaloes in collaboration with that company. That is why meetings THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVil were held and ultimately a decision was SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIROHA): taken not to set up any slaughter house. That (a) No, Sir. is why I replied the question in the negative. There is no use to raise old issues. (b) Question does not arise. SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR: (c) Question does not arise. My second question is that a lot of things are being said about I.V.A.I. Mr. Rao, the Chair- [ Translation] man of 0.1.0. has himseff alleged and it is a fact that Shri Bhatt has made the institute as SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR: his fiefdom. I repeat allegation that Mr. Alana Mr. Speaker, Sir, the reply given to my ques- had given an Hlegal gratification of Rs. 2lakh tion leaves no scope to say anything further to Shri Bhatt for this purpose. My question is in the matter. What can I say now? I.V.R.1. has C.B.I. conducted an enquiry into the is a reputed institute not only of India but also affairs of the I.V.R.I. on the basis of previous of 1he world. About two dozen memorandam complaints because Shri Bhatt has been 21 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22 transferred from there and he obtained stay of all tne relevant fads, how can he say that ord&rs from the court. He wanted to sup- CBI would be investigating the case? press his misdeeds. Therefore, I would like to submit that an enquiry should be con- SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Mr. Speaker, ducted to bring the facts to light and gain Sir, I want your protection. Through you, I people's confidence. had asked the han. Minister to reply the question which has been raised here time SHAt NATHU AAM MIADHA: Mr. and again. Is he ready to hold an investiga- Speaker. Sir. I helve no information about tion to unearth the fads. What preparations those complaints and charges which the are required to be made for the same? han. Member has referred. Had he given notice of this question straight away, I would SHRt NA THU RAM MIRDHA: I am not have given reply. afraid of holding any enquiry. But unless I have gOt all the relevant facts with me, how SHAI AAJVEER SINGH: Mr. Speaker. can I hold out an assurance in this regard. Sir, through you. I would like to submit to the hon. Minister that incidents of bungling and SHRt RAJVEEA SINGH: The han. disputes have been taking place in IVRI for Minister must be having at least that much of the last many years. Last time also I had information. Because he is replying on be- submitted in the House that complaints to haH of the Minister of Agriculture. this effect had been received from Central Audit. and I had also urged the hon. Min.ster MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. I have to clarify the Issue during the zero hour. Will not allowed you. the han. Minister kindly tell us whether the Government proposes to get the entire se- S~Rt VASANT SATHE: Mr. Speaker, ries of bungling investigated. Earlier. I had Sir, on one side, there is Indian Veterenary demanded that the cases be referred to the Research Institute and on the other there are C.B.I. So. now, does. the Goverr"!ment pro- a.large number of slaughter houses at vari- pose to refer the cases to the eBI f~r further ous places and in the cities like Bombay, investigation tofind outthe fact and settle the Calcutta etc. where animals are butchered issues involved. mercilessly. People know that cattle of good breed which have not outlived1heir utility for SHAI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Mr~ agricultural purposes, are taken there and Speaker, Sir. had he asked the question butchered. Sir, even oxen of very good breed straight away, I would have come prepared are taken there and first crippled by chop- and replied to that accord;ngly. Now the p;ng off their legs so as to get them declared question as he has put it is whether a slaugh- as unutilisable and then under the relevant ter House is being opened or not. And then rules they are sold to'the slaughter house. he raises the point that Bhattji received So that is the way animals are being slaugh- money. I would like to point out that all these tered mercilessly just for earning foreign things are not related to the main Question. exchange. Everybody knows that animals, which are extremely useful for agriculture, SHRt RAJVEER SINGH: I would like to are slaughtered there. Through you, I would know whether the matter would be got inves- like to know from the han. Minister whether tigated by the CSI. any research has been conducted by the Institute situated in lust Nagar to save the MR. SPEAKER: At the moment, the oxen of good breed, and H so what conclu- han. Minister is not Prepared. sions they have arrived at and what steps are proposed to betaken to save the animals .... (/nt8"uptions) ... .. of fine breed from being slaughtered.

MR. SPEAKER: When he is not seized SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Mr. 23 Oral Answers APRil 26, 1990 Oral Answers 24

Speaker, Sir, t am very much impressed by pain and their organs should be separated in the sense of compassion of Shri Sathe for such a way that they may fetch an attractive the animals. I agree that animals of good amount of foreign exchange. That is our breed should be protected and should not be policy. However, people have objections to taken to the slaughter House. No doubt a the slaughtering of some particular animals number of organisations in the country have at a few places. On the whole the slaughter been busy with the work of protection of house should function on scientffic lines and .animals and arousing the same feeling all the animals be it a goat, lamb, buffalo or among the general public ... (Interruptions) ... a bison should be slaughtered in a scientific Now the Institute situated in Izzat Nagar has way i.e. without causing any pain to the been busy with the research work to find out animal. Meet should be packed properly and as to how to improve the breed of the ani- disposed quickly whether it is to be sent mals, what are the main diseases which outside the country or to be sold here to the affect them, how they can be protected local consumers. againstthesediseases, what nutrients should be given to them in their food and whether MR. SPEAKER: Question No. 618. Shri other eatables should be given to them in Samarendra Kundu. (Absent) thler food and whether other eatables should be gfven to them for the improvement of their SHRt HAAISH RAWAT: Sir, this is a genetic quality and breed. That is the basic very important question. It appears that function of that Institute. Even the policy of Kundu Sahib has deliberately absented the Government seeks to protect animals of himse~ because the hon. Minister of Home fine breed from being taken to the slaughter Affairs is not here. house. But certain evil person violate the provisions of law and cut off heating limbs of MR. SPEAKER: No, that is not the good animals to sell them to the slaughter reason. house. Here they may escape the punishment from a court of I~w but they '!Yilt have to Relief and Rehabilitation of Bhagalpur face the wrath of God. I agree that this is . Riot Victims being practised on a large scale in the country. *619. SHRI RAMESHWAR PRASAD: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be [Eng/ish] pleased to refer to the reply given on 29th March, 1990 to Starred Question -No. 266 DR. ASIM BAlA: Sir, export of meat is regarding Asaistance to Bhagalpur riot vic- a foreign exchange earner. It is earning more tims and state: than approximately As. 100 crores of foreign exchange. I would like to know whether the (a) whether the total amount of relief s1aughter houses are going to be opened in and ex-gratia given to riot-affected people of other States also as people require hygienic Bhagalpur is found adequate and satisfying; and clean meat. and

[ Translat;on] (b) if so, the numberof people who have got relief. or who have been rehabilitatated and the number of damaged houses which SHAI NATHU AAM MIRDHA: Mr. will be reconstructed or get repaired? Speaker. Sir, the issue of opening a slaughter holJse is altogether a different issue. It requires several things to be taken into THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE consideration. For example, the slaughter MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHAI house should be based on scientific lines, SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) and (b). A the animals should be slaugt,tered without statement is laid on the Table of the House. 25 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26

STATEMENT licence for the shop or who had opened shops on their own land, would be given ex- Ex-gratia@Rs. 1.00 lakh each has been gratia relief. I would like to know from the given to the next of kin !n 111 cases by the hon. Minister whether the Government pro- Government of Bihar. A total number of pose to cover, forthe purpose of compensa- , 2,885 houses have been surveyed and Rs. tion, a large number of such shopkeepers 2.56 crores has been distributed among who had opened their shops on the Railway 10,245 affected persons. The State Govern- land or the land belonging to the PWD and ment have also.decided to provide Rs. 3,0001 other unauthorised land, without obtaining - each to 1',000 ha~dloom weavers and As. any licences and the same had been gutted 8,0001- each to 250 powerloom weavers as in the fire during the riots. loans from banks to the affected persons. SHRI SUBODH KANT SAHAY: Sir, so Similarly, out of an amount of As. 1.00 far as the matter of burning of shops is crore sanctioned from the Prime Minister's concerned, a large number of cases had Relief Fund for !he Bhagalpur riot victims, been registered and for that reason, the work As. 50.00 lakhs has been earmarked tor the of providing relief could not make progress in families of those killed in the riots @Rs. the beginning because most of the people 10,0001- each. The amount is over and above had left the riot turn city. However, those who the amount of ex-gratia relief of Rs. 1.00 lakh are now turning up to subm it their claims are per person being provided by the State being rehabilitated. For this purpose, about Government. An amount of Rs. 1,500" per 10 officers of the rank of Additional Collector handloom weaver and Rs. 5,000 - per pow- have been appointed and they have been ' erloom weaver as grant for purchase of raw- monitoring the whole work on a war-footing. matenals is being provided to the affected List of the owners of such shops which had weavers. A sum of Rs. 27.50 lakhs ha~ also been burnt during the riots, has been pre- been earmarked for this purpose. The re- pared and all those who are on that list, are maining sum of Rs. 22.50 lakhs has been sure to be rehabilitated. earmarked tor extending hostel facilitIes at Bhagalpur for the students. SHRI RAMESHWAR PRASAD: When asked as to how he was preparing the list of So far as the question of AGARWAL or the persons who had been killed in the riots satisfaction of the riot victims vis-a-vis. e"X~ since in a numberofcases FIR had not been gratia relief is concerned. rt may be submit- registered with the police and the bodies had ted that human life and misery can not be been left without postmortem, the D.M. said measured in monetary terms. The Govern- that the block development officer would be ment is committed to do its utmost to provide preparing the list on the basis of the informa- succour and security to the riot-victims. tion provided by the 'pradhan'. But there have been a large number of 'pradhans', [ Trans/atlonJ who were involved in the incidents of killing the children, with their spears. In these SHRI RAMESHWAR PRASAD: Mr. circumstances how can they give a true Speaker, Sir. In his reply the h~n. Minister report. t would like to know from the Govern- has assured to provide compensation to the ment whether compensation to those killed riot victims whose houses or handlooms had will be provided on the basis of the record of been destroyed in the riots. However, we birth and death of the individual kept at-tt(e have visited the area and we found that police station. about 157 shops particularly of the poor people had also been gutted. The hon. SHRI SUBODH KANT SAHAY: I think Minister has made no mention of it In his that the han. Member has given a good statement. We also met the DM who assured suggestion. While giving compensation. we us that all such shopkep.pers who had the would taking into account the names given 27 Written Answers APRil 26, 1990 Written AnsW91S 28

by the Pradhans or other local residents and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE also the fact that the particular individual was MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI a Government servant. JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir, the following collaboration agreements have been signed by the Department of Telecom during the period!- 1.4.88 to 31.3.90:- WRITIEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (1) Cabie Terminal Boxes with [English] KRONE of West Germany.

Seiglng of Police Lines at Rohtak by (2) CoinlToken Type STD Payphones BSF w~h Tamura of Japan.

*618. SHRI SAMARENDRA KUNDU: (3) 6 GHz and 13 GHz Microwave Will the Minister of 'HOME AFFAIRS be Equipment w~h NEC, Japan. pleased to state: (4) Optical Fibre Cable and line (a) whether the BSF seiged the police Equipment with NKT of Denmark. lines at Rohtak: Report of Namblar Committee on (b) if so. whether there was a clash C-DOT between the Haryana Police and Border Security Force: and *622. SHRI MULLAPPAlL YRAMA- CHANDRAN: (c) if so. the details thereof? SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA MURTHY:

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS TIONS be pleased to state: (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) and (b). No. Sir. (a) the main findings of the Nambiar Committee on the Centre fCor Development (c) Does riot arise. of Telematics (c.OOT) and the action taken thereon; Collaboration with Foreign Countries to (b) whether Government have decided Dev~lop Telecom Facilities to drop the projects of C-DOT; and *620. SHRI ANBARASU ERA: Will the (c) H not, the extent to which it is Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased proposed to be implemented? to state:

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) whether any collaboration agree- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI ments have been made in the last two years JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) to (c). The with any forelg" country so as to develop Government has received the Report of the . telecom facilities: and Nambiar Committee on the Centre for De· velopment of Te'ematics and a'so the Dis- (b) if so. the details thereof? 29 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,.1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 30 santing Note of four Members of the Com- during 1990-91; mittee. These Reports are being examined. Recommendations of the Committee (b) if so, the details thereof; and alongwith decision of the Government will be presented to the Parliament as soon as the (c) the places ident~ies for the location examination is complete and the decisions of the new exchanges? of the Government are finalised. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE New Telephone Exchanges In Orissa MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) There are *623. SHRI ANANDI CHARAN DAS: proposals to open telephone exchanges at Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 30 new locations in Orissa during 1990-91. pleased to state: (b) These te1ephone exchanges are (a) whether it IS proposed to set up proposed to be opened in the various divi- some new telephone exchanges in OFissa sions as follows:

1. Cuttack 5

2. Bhubaneshwar 5

3. Sambalpur 3

4. Rourkem 2

5. Dhenkanal 3

6. Balasore 4

7. 80lan91r 2

8. Koraput 3

9. Behrampur 3

Total 30 Nos.

(c) Places have not been identifies. As the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be per the present norms a new exchange can pleased to state: be opened only after a minrmum demand of 10 telephones IS registered at a place. (a) the number of new post offices proposed to be opened in Basti, Dearia. [ Trans/at/on] Ghazipur, Azamgarh and Mau districts of Uttar Pradesh during 1990-91: New Post Offices In Basti, Deoria, Ghazlpur, Azamgarh and Mau Districts of (b) whether their location has also been U.P. identified;

*624. SHRI KALPNATH SONKAR: Will (c) if so, the details thereof; and 31 Written Answers APRil 26, 1990 Wrltt9n AnSW9rs 32

(d) the steps being taken by Govern- [English] ment to open more new post offices in these districts? Repatrlltlon of Chakma A.fug ...

·626. SHRI SANAT ,KUMAR MAN· THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE DAl: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SHRILAETA UMBREY: JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) to (c). Post Offices have been sanctioned for following Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF- • viUages: FAIRS be pleased to state:

(a) tAe progress made so far in the District ViJlage repatnation of the Chakma tribal refugees of the Bangladesh's Chittagong hill tracts;

Basti (1 ) Tighara (b) whether a high level team from Bangladesh visited Tripura recently to begin (2) Pakhuapar with the 'process of repatriation' of these refugees: and (3) Popaya (c) if so, the outcome thereof? (4) UmaFI Kalan

(5) Ekma THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHAI (6) DhamalCha HARI KISHORE SINGH): (a) 58,499 Chakma refugees from Bangladesh conbnue to stay (7) MaharaJQanj in camps in Tripura since May, 1986. Four- Girmut teen meetings have been held so far between district officials of India and Bangla- (8) Bhlnsa Khunt desh, the latest being on May 29,1989. The matter was als(' taken up dUring the re- (9) Pakan Ara)1 centvislt of External Affairs Minister to Bang· ladesh In February, 1990. We have consis- Ghazipur (1) Dharikala tently strl:!ssed that Bangladesh should create the conditions in the Chittagong Hill Azamgarh (1) Lohra Tracts which would give the Chakmas the confidence to return to their homes voluntar- ily. There are no proposals at present In respect of Deana and Mau districts (b) Such a team from Bangladesh is expected to VISit the camps in Tripura in the (d) The norms for opening o.f new Post n.ear future to try and persuade the refugees Officea 8fe now under review. Further pro- to start returning to Bangladesh. poSIII may be formulated after completion .....view. . .. (c) Does not arise . 33 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 34

[ Translation] April, 199O?

Voluntary Organisations Receiving THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Foreign Aid For Upllftment of SCslSTs (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): According to information received from the *627. SHRI DASAI CHOWDHARY: Will Government of Punjab, the families of the 27 the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased civilians killed have been paid compensation to state: at the rate of Rs. 50,0001- each, (Rs.20,0001 - in cash and Rs. 30,000 in the form of ('a) the State-wise details of voluntary National Savings CertHicates. Eight others organisatrons which receive foreign grants who lost their lives were Government ser- for the upliftment of harijans, tribals and vants and compensation to their families will weaker sections: and be paid by the Departments concerned. Compensation upto Rs. 5,0001- has been (b) the organisation-wise amount of paid to those injured depending upon the foreign grants received during the last three nature of injuries. In the case of 100% dis- years, year-wise? ability, like loss of limb or organ, compensation has been paid at the rate of Rs.20,0001 THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a). No such information is maintained about World Bank Aid for Rural Water Supply receipt of foreign contribution by organisa- and SanHatlon Projects in Maharashtra tions for the development of HariJans tribals and weaker sections. It IS not also possible to *629. SHRIVASANTSATHE: Willthe do so since all organisations registered for Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to rural development, health care, social serv- state: ices have betterment programmes for all sections of the population without reference (a) whether Maharashtra Government to caste and creed. has sought World Bank aid for integrated rural water supply and environmental sanita- (b) It is not feasible to furnish the tion projects in various villages and towns. Information organisation-wise/yearwise for the last three years in view of its being (b) if so, the details thereof: and volumlnious In nature (c) the action taken/proposed to be [English] taken in this regard?

Compensation to Bomb Explosion THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL Victims at Batala SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Sir. *628. SHRI D.M. PUTTE GOWDA: SHRI BANWARI LAL PURO- (b) An Integrated Project has been HIT: prepared covering 75 regional piped water supply schemes for 500 villages, 12 habita- Will the Minlsterof HOME AFFAIRS be tions and two towns from 10 districts of pleased to state the compensation patd to Maharashtra. The proiect also includes 174 the families of the deceased and ~ the low cost piped water supply schemes for 174 injured in bomb explosion at 8~Bla on 3 viftages and bore wells programme in 17B 35 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written Answers 36 villages and 884 habitations etc. Hea~h ( Translation) education programme and demand based sanitation programme are also included in Conversion of Telephone Exchang.. the project. The total estimated cost of the Into Electronic Exchange. at Dholpur project is RS.1 69.97 crores for implementa- and Bharatpur tion in five years. *631. SHRITHANSINGHJATAV: Will (c) A pre-appraisal mission of the World the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Bank visited the State in end of March, 1990 pleased to state: for detailed discussions and finalisation of the project. The project will be finalised after (a) whether Government have a pro- appraisal by the World Bank mission ap- posal to convert telephone exch~nges at proximately in September-October, 1990. Dholpur and Bharatpur into electronic ex- Actual implementation of the project will start changes; after conclusion of the agreement with tne World Bank. {b) if so, the time by which electronic exchange will be installed there; Purchases by C-OOT (c) whether telephone bills issued to *630. SHRI M.G. SEKHAR: telephone users in March, 90 were of exces- SHRI R. GUNDU RAO: sive amount; if so, whether any inquiry has been conducted in this regard; and Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- TIONS be pleased to state: (d) the steps taken to strengthen the organisational set up in view of the large (a) whether C-DOT made certain pur- number of the telephone users and difficul- chases from compantes based in USA, Sin- ties faced by them? gapore and other countrtes dealing in electronic test equ;pments, computers. compo- nents etc.: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) rt so, the purchases made and the JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. names of selling companies: (b) During 1991-92 subject to availabil- (c) whether any Indian or Indians have ityof equipment. any direct or Indirect interest in the foreign companies from whom C-DOT made the (c) Out of 547 users excess billing purchases: and complaints were received from 157 users during March, 1990. On preliminary inquiry (d) if so, the details thereof? 19 cases were found in order. In the remaining 138 cases provisional bUis have been THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE- issued based on their past trend. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. (d) Officers from Bharatpur Division have been instructed to visit Dholpur regu· (b) to (d). Intormatlon is bemg collected larly. and will be laId on the Tablp. of the House as soon as ~ is ready. To strengthen the organisational set up 37 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 38

a Sub-Oivision will be created as and when Ministry and since when; justified. (b) the action being taken to fill up these Filling up of Ses/ST. Posts vacancies; and

*632. DR. BENGALI SINGH: Will the (c) Hnot, the reasons therefor? Ministerof EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATt: IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH): (a) The number of (a) the number of posts reserved for posts reserved for SCs and STs in each Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in group, lyiRg vacant at pfesent in. Ministry of each group lying vacant at present in his External Affairs is as follows:

GROUP sc ST Since when lying vacant

2 3 4

B 6 3 from 1986,2 from 1987 and 2 from 1988

C 5 3 From 1988

o 4 2 posts for STs since 1988, 2 posts for STs since 1989 and 1 for SC in 1990

(b) For Group Band C posts, vacancies pleased to state: have been conveyed to Department of Per- sonnel and Training for filling them under the (a) whether the Portuguese Govern- Special Recruitment Drive this year. For ment has made a request for setting up a Group D posts, applications are being in- cu~ural centre at Goa under the aegis of the v~ed from eligible Casual Labourers working Portuguese Embassy: in the Ministry. If SC and ST candidates are not available among the Casual labourers, (b) if so, whether the request has been requis~ion will be sent to the Employment agreed to by Government; and Exchange for sponsoring SC and SC candidates. (c) if not, the reasons therefor?

(c) Does not apply THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI [English] HARI KISHORE SINGH): (a) to (c). The Portuguese Government has made a re- Portuguese Culture Central at Goa quest for setting up a Cultural Centre at Goa w~hin the ambit of Government. of India's *633. SHRI YASHWANTRAO PATIL: policy guidelines on operation of such Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be centres. The matter is under discussion 39 Written AnswelS APRIL 26, 1990 Written AnswelS 40

between the two Governments. (a) the number of applicants on the waiting list for telephone connection till 31 st Meeting of the Re-Constltuted National January. 1990 in Bharouch: Integration Council (b) the time by which telephone con- -634. SHAI KALP NATH RA1: Will the nections are likely to be provided to them; Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be p:eased to and state: (c) the steps proposed for early release (a) whether the reconstituted Nalional of telephone connectIOns to all the appli- Integration Council has held its fIrst meeting, cants on waiting list?

(b) if so, the :;ubJects discussed at that THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE meeting. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) 2143 as on (c) whether proposals were placed 31st January, 1990. before the Council to tackle the problem of recurring communal tenSions In the country. (b) and (c) The eqUipped switching and capacity at Bharouch has been recently expanded on 16.2.90 by conversion from (d) ~ so, the detaIls thereof? 2400 Imes manual to 5000 lines automatic exchange. 850 new telephone connections THE MINISiER OF HOME AFFAIRS have been proV1ded upto 31.3 90.ln the year (SHAI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED) (a) , 990-91, 1300 more new telephone conn9C- Yes, Sir. It held Its first meetIng on 11 th April. tlons are proposed to be provided and thiS 1990. Will clear the wartlng list upto 31st January, 90 Further expansion of the exchange by (b) Communal ~uatlon In India. In- 2000 lines IS proposed for 1992-93 whIch will creased use of Violence by political/seces- help In meetIng further demands at Bha- sionist activists. Punjab situation; Kashmir rouch. situatIOn; and Ram Janam Bhooml-Babrl Masjid issue. [Engltsh]

(c) and (d). There was general discus- S.T.D. Disconnections In Delhi sIOn on all the subjects of thp Agenda and after reviewing the communal situation In the 6619. SHRI KAILASH MEGHWAL: Will country the National Integration Council the M,nister of COMMUNICATIONS be resolved to set up a Commltlpe to recom- pleased to state: 'mend a plan of action to effectively counter this growing menace (a) the percentage of Telephone Sub- [ Translation] SCribers in Delhi who have got disconnected STO faclhty on theIr telephones and how Telephone Connection in Bharouch many of them have got these dIsconnectIons as a protest against faulty billtng by the -635. SHRI CHANDUBHAI Department; DESHMUKH' Will the Minister of COMMU- NICATIONS be pleased tn stat~ (b) whether there has been any loss of 41 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 42 revenue on account of such discon nactions; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF (c) the total number of STD institutional AGRICULTURE (SHRI NfTlSH KUMAR): subscribers and private individual subscrib- (a) Yes Sir. ers in Delhi and their total billing separately during the last two years? (b) Mother Dairy is designed to handle milk only through bulk vending system and is THE MINISTER OF STATE OF- THE not equipped with the facilities required for MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI packing of Full Cream Milk. JANESHWAR MISHRA): {a) As on date, 56% of telephones subscribers have tele- Linking of Sawaimadhopur Dlstrld by phones barred for STD. Most of the sub- STD scribers g~t their STD barred at the time of Installing the connection or later to avoid 6621. DR. KIRODI LAL MEENA: Will misuse/unintentional excessive use. Also, the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be as per Government Instructions, most resi- pleased to state: dential and office telephones of Government staff are STD barred as a economy meas- (a) whether Sawaimadhopur District (in ure. Faulty billina does not normally lead to Rajasthan) has been connected with STD request for barring of STD as such bills are and ~ not, the reasons thereof; corrected. No separate list of such disconnections is, however, maintained. (b) the details of Automatic telephone exchanges installed and proposed to be (b) No Sir, Instead of STD the subscrib- installed in District Sawaimadhopur during ers make use of operative assisted trunk this year; and calls. (c) whether the proposal for installation (c) Information relating to the total of automatic exchange at Gangapur and number of InstitUtIOnS using STD is not STD facility at Mahawa has been finalised ~ maintained. The number of private subscrib- so, the details in this regard? ers having STD faCIlity as on 1-4-90 is 1,82, 54. No separate infor-matlon with regard to their billing IS being maiFltained. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Supply of Milk by Mother Dairy JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. Sawaimadhopur District Headquarter has 6620. SHRI P. PENCHALAIAH: Will been connected with S.T.D. the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (b) A Statement is given below.

(a) whelh~r or')ly toned milk IS supplied (c) The manual exchange of Gangapur In Deihl by Mother DairY: and City is proposed to be replaced by an electronic exchange during 1990-91. (b) If so, the steps taken by Government to arrange supply of full cream milk by Mother There is no proposal a1 preMnl to pro- Dairy? vide STD facility at Mahawa: 43 Written AnswelS APRIL 26. 1990

STATEMENT

Part (b)

List of automatic exchanges installed during 1989-90 in Sawaimadhopur District.

(1) Kudgaon 25 lines SAX

(2) Keladevi 25 lines SAX

List of automatic exchanges proposed to be installed during 1990-91 in Sawaimadhopur District subject to availability of equipment

(1 ) Todabhim 128 Port C-DOT to replace SAX

(2) Hatroi 25 line SAX

(3) Bhanakpura 25 lines SAX

(4) Gangapur 512 Port (2 units) to replace manual exchange.

(5) Hindaun 512 Port (2 units) to replace manual exchange.

(6) Karauli 512 Port to replace manual exchange.

(7) Srimahavirjr 64 Mini IlT to replace SAX.

(8) Shiwar 64 Mini IlT to replace SAX.

Generation of Employment in Rural THE MtNlSTER OF STATE IN THE Areas DEPARTMENT OF RURAL DEVELOP- MENT IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL- 6622. SHRIJANARDHANAPOOJARI: TURE (SHRI UPENDRA NATH VERMA): Win the Minister of AGRICULTURE be (a} The Rural Development Department is pleased to state: implementing two programmes for employment generation in the rural areas. namely. (a) the number of jobs created in rural Integrated Rural Development Programme areas during the last three months in the (IRDP) and Jawahar Rozgar Yojana (JRY). country under various schemes of Govern- Under the IRDP, families have annual in- ment; come below Rs. 4800/- are assisted for seH- employment. Under the JRY, wage employ- (b) Whether any new schemes have ment is created through the works pro- been started to provide employment under gramme at public cost. Accordingly. the IRDP the right to work programme of the Govern- is monitored in terms of families assisted and ment: and the JRY in terms of person days of employment generated. According to reports re- (c) Hso, the details thereof? ceived from the StatealUnion Territories, 45 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 46

983673 families were assisted from Decem- (a) the progress made in regard to the Der, 1989 to February, 1990. In the same construction of the fishing harbour projects period, about 2429 lakh mandays were which were taken up in the Seventh Five generated under the JRY. Year Plan; and

(b) and (c). No new scheme has yet (b) the number of fishing harbours been started. Details of the Employment proposed to be set up in Orissa during the Guarantee Scheme for the drought prone Eighth Plan period? areas and areas with acute problem of rural unemployment, as announced by the Union THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Finance Minister in his budget speech for the DEPARTMENT OF AGRICUl TUAE AND year 1990-91, are being worked out. COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): Fishing Harbours in Orissa (a) The progress upto February, 1990, on the construction of fishery harbour projects 6624. SHAI D AMAT: WilitheMlntster sanctioned for Orissa in the Seventh Five of AGRtCUl TURE be pleased to state: Year Plan is as follows: 47 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written Answers 48

- - - 49 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Writt9l1 Answers 50

Scheme for Tribal Farmers Affected by Implementatfon of Operation Flood Natural calamities Projects In Kerala

6625. SHRI BASAVAPUNNAIAH 6626. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the SINGAM: Will the Minister of AGRICUL- Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to TURE be pleased to state: state:

(a) whether Union Government provide (a) the results and achievements of the any assistance under any scheme to tribal implementation of Operation Flood projects farmers affected by n'atural calamities: and in' Kerala during the last two years;

(b) IT so, whether assistance for payment of minimum wages under employment (b) the financial assistance given by generation programme, agriculture in-put National Dairy Development Board to Kerala subsidy and assistance for cattle conserva- during that period; and tion are included In the Schemes?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the action plan proposed by the DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND National Dairy Development Board under COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF Operatio~ Flood programme in Kerala? AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): (a) and (b), Central assistance for various items including for payment of minimum THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE wages under employment generation pro- DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND grammes, agricultural input subsidy and COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF assistance for cattle conservation In the wake AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): of natural calamities is extended to the af- (a) Aohievements of the implementation of fected farmers as per Central norms without Operation Flood in Kerala under key para- making distinction between the tribal and meters during the last two years are given in non-tribal farmers. table below:- 51 APRil 26, 1990 Written Answers 52

N CJ) to I/) ~ II) ...... 0) ..... ~ CJ) M N M co GO .,S -~ tt Q .!! i

.91i ~ .~ .!! -:l § "- I/) C") 0 0 Q) N ~ Q) "': C") N N ..... (') ..... -~ Q

~ " 53 ~Answers VAJSAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 54

(b) Financial Assistance of Rs. 396.8 (c) the position regarding availabitity of Iakh (provisional) has been provided to the telephone instruments and spares as against Kerala Cooperative Milk Marketing Federa- total demand in the country; and tion (KCMMF) during the last two years (1988-89 and 1989-90). (d) which are the companies engaged in manufacturing of telephone instruments in (c) The KCMMF has not yet sent their the country? Annual Action Plans beyond 1990 to the National DaIry Development Board. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHAI Provision of Telephone Connection JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) The information is given in the attached statement I. 6627. S'"4RI BAlASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: Will the Minister of COMMUNiCA- (b) It IS proposed to clear the wa~ing list TIONS be pleased to state: of South Delhi as on 31.12.1989 during the 8th Five Year Plan progressively subject to (a) the State-wise number of telephone availability of equipment. connections provided so far In each Statel Union Territory todate; (c) Adequate quantity of telephone instruments and spares is available to meet (b) by when, the persons regIstered in the demand. 1989 for telephone connections In South Deihl are likely to be provided With tele- (d) A statement II giving the information phones: IS' attached.

STATEMENT

SI.No. Name of State/Union Territory Telephone conn9Ctions provided upto 31.3.90

2 3

1. Andhra Pradesh 313150

2. Assam 37707

3. Bihar 97141

4. GUJarat 422543

5. Haryana 91351

6. Himachal Pradesh 29392

7. Jammu & Kashmir *27399

8. Kerala 229892 55 Written Answers APRIL 26. 1990 Written Answers 56

SI.No. Name of StatelUnion Territory Telephone conn9Ctions provided upto 31.3.90

2 3

9. Karnataka 299317

10. Maharashtra 960685

11. Madhya Pradesh 171023

12. Arunachal Pradesh 2794

13. Mizoram 1996

14. Meghalaya 6514

15. Nagaland 3825

16. Manipur 4215

17. Tripura 4232

18. Onssa 60121

19. Punjab 169375

20. Rajasthan 138080

21. Tamil Nadu 419744

22. Uttar Pradesh 291024

23. WestBengal 305036

24. Sikkim 1777

25. Goa 12999

26. Pondicherry 7672

UNION TERRITORY

27. Delhi 458553

28. Chandigarh 20229 57 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnsMus 58

S/;No. Name of State/Union Territory Telephone connections provided upto 31.3.90

2 3

29. Andaman & Nicobar Islands 1606

30. Lakshadweep 1056

31. Daman & Diu 978

32. Dadra Nagar Haveli 679

Total: 4592105

'As on 31.1.1990.

STATEMENT-II

Name of the firms in whose favour leNer of intent for manufacture of TeJephone instruments has been issued

1. Bhartl Telecom Limited

2. BPL Systems and Projects Limited

3. Crompton Greaves Limited

4. Gujarat Communications Electronics Limited

5. Indian Telephone Industry Limited (Bangalore)

6. Indian Telephone Industries limited (Srinagar)

7. Indian Telephone Industries Limited (Naini)

8. Ke~ron Telephone Instruments Limited

9. L Avnir Business Systems

10. Pradeshlya Industrial and Investment Corpn. of U.P. Limited

11. Pulsar Electronics Limited

12. Punjab Wireless System Limited

13. Rajasthan Telephone Industries limited 59 Written AnsMtlS APRIL 26, 1990

14. Remington Rand of India Limited

15. SET Telecommunications

16. Suneel Comm unications

17. Swede India Teletronics limited

18. Teiematics Systems limited

19. Texton Telecommunication Private lim~ed

20. The Priyaraja Enterprise

21. United Telecoms Limited

22. UNITEL Communications Limited

23. WEBEL Communication Industries Limited

Strike by Workers In Paradlp Port Again, in the first shift of 27.8.89, winchmen and signalmen stopped work over a local 6628. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the demand. The demands of local nature are Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be discussed and settled, by biiateraJ discus- pfeased to state: sions/conciliation.

(a) the number of times the workers of Ammonia Plant based on Naphthllit Paradip Port went on strike during 1988-89 Slndrl and 1989-90 and the reasons therefor; and 6629. SHRIA.K. ROY: Will the Minister (b) the details of the steps taken by of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: Government to fulfil the demands of those workers? {a) whether a proposal for setting up a 900 tonne par day Ammonia plant based on THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- naohtha at Sinclrl was submitted to Union PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) Government for clearance; and and (b). The employees and workers of Paradip Port Trust participated in all-Ports (b) if so, the steps taken the~? strike from 17.4.1989 to 22.4.1989 over the demand tor wage rev\sion. h was settled by THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CML a Memorandum of Understanding arrived at SUPPLIES (SHRI NA THU RAM MIROHA): on 21.4.1989. In addition. the cargo handling (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. A proposal tor setting up workers were on strike from 7.6.1989 to a new 900 TPD of Ammonia and 1500 'WI) 9.6.1989 in protest against direct'delivery of Urea proi8Ct at Sindri was received from the fertilizers from the vessel. In the first shift 01 Fertiliser Corporation of India. The propouI 19.8. 1989. work on vessels were affected would be considered after the VIII Plan is due to death of a Winchman in an accident. finalised. 81 Written AnsW61S VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 62

Opening of Poet and Telegraph Offices telephone .xchuges to be upgraded and In Madhya Pradesh places to be linked by STD during the current year? 6630. SHAI DALIP SINGH JU oEO: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE pleased to state: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI JANESHWAR MtSHRA): (a) and (b). The ta) the names of places where new names of proposed Post offices are indi- Post and Telegraph offices are proposed to cated in the attached statement. As regards opened duringthecurrentyear in Madhya upgradations, information is being collected esh and those which are being up- and will be laid on the Table of the House. ed;and S The Information regarding opening and (b) the names of places In Madhya upgrading of Telegraph offices and Tete- ~radesh where new telephone exchanges phone exchanges IS being collected and will are proposed to be Installed, the eXlstmg be laid on the Table of the House.

STATEMENT

51. No. Name of Proposed District Post Offices

2 3

1. Parsada Durg

2. Nandal Durg

3. Sharda Durg

4. Salhetola RaJnandgaon

5. Korchatola Bilaspur

6. Plparkhuntl eitaspur

7, Jhlngatpur Silaspur

8. Semana Bilaspur

9. Dam Bilaspur

10. Terhadhaura Bilaspur

11. Donda Bilaspur

12. Deorikhurd Bilaspur 63 Wnlten Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written AnsW91S 64

SI. No. Name of Proposed District Post Offices

1 2 3

13. Rasola Bilaspur

14. Umaria Dadar Bilaspur

15. Gadadih Bilaspur

16. Bandha Sidhi

17. Kohka Shahdol

18. Dhamokhar Shahdol

19. Badwar Shahdol

20. Medra Sidhi

21. Cnilhiyamar Shahdol

22. Checharia Shahdol

23. JhaJ Shahdol

24. Bilaspur Shahdol

25. Chanda Mandla

26. Chamn; Mandla

27. Bhimdongri Mandla

28. Pondi Mandla

29. Bramhpuri Rf\ipur

30. Koliha Raipur

31. Koteya Ambikapur

32. Lurgikala Raigarh

33. Chiranga Raigarh 65 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (5AKA) Written Answers 66

51. No. Name of Proposed Distnct Post OffIces

2 3

34. Garwakala Rewa

35. Jhapal Betul

36. Bheda Chhmdwara

37. Malwag.1 Ratlam

3S. Khar~kataka Guna

39. Gynehn Guna

40 Taral Guna

41. Vlkrampur Guna

42. Badera Guna

43 Damdama Guna

44. Kukreta Guna

45. Bllakhedl Guna

46. Ghasad Dewas

47. Saral Dhar

48 Baledl Dhar

49. Bhldotakot Dhar

50. Bola Dhar

51. Doral Neemuch

52. loharra Neemuch

53. KOJYa Mandsaur

54. Mastra Shahdol 67 Wnlten Answers APRIL 26, 1990

Departmental sub offices

SLNo. Name of the Proposed District Post Office

1 2 3

1. S.G.I.P.S. Shahdol Birshinghpur Pali

2. Ujjain Chimanganj Unain Mandi

3. Shri Sinthetics Ujjain Unain

Bangla·o.shllabourers In Agartala pleased to state:

6631. SHRI K.B.K. DEB BURMAN: (a) whether the Mobile Civil Emergency Win the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Force (MCEF}, Delhi was wound up in Sap- p\eased to state: tember~ 1989;

(a) the average number of Bangla- (b) whether employees of the organisa- Deshi labourers coming to Agartala town tion were sent to the Central Surplus Cell at every day; and the time of winding up of the M.C.E.F.; and

(bt what is.the Government's policy with (c) whether Government propose to regard to checking of this free flow of labour, take option from the employees in the matter who come across from Bangia Desh? of their absorption in some other organisation? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SUBOOH KANT SAHAY): (a) and (b). The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Government does not permit any Ban- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI gladeshi labourer to croSS the border with a SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) Yes, Sir. view to taking up labour jobs in India. All illegal entrants who -jJre detected on the (b) At the time of formal winding up of border are pushea back except, the tribals MCEF, such of the employees of the MCEF from Chittagong Hill Tracts of Bangladesh who did not exercise their option to join the who have ~n coming to this Country with CISF were sent to the Central Suf'P,lus Cell a view to seeking temporary refuge and are for redeployment in terms of the interim being acoommodated in camps in Tripura. order of the Supreme Court dated 15.5.89.

Option from Employees of MCEF (c) The option has already been exer- cised by the employees and action thereon 6632. SHRI GANGA CHARAN LODHI: has been taken in accordance with the or- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be ders passed by the Supreme Court. 69 Written AnswelS VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written AnSwelS 70

Shifting of Telecom Factory, calcutta (e) On the basis of advice rendered by an export agency approved by, West Bengal 6633. SHRI M.V. CHANDRA Pollution Control Board, certain pollution SHEKHARA MURTHY: Will the Minister of control equipment have been procured and COMMUN1CATIONS be pleased to state: are under installalion at present.

(f) Telecom Factory at the existing site (a) whether Government propose to at Calcutta was set up in 1855. At that time, shift the existing factory premises of Tele- the factory areas was outside the residential com Factory at Calcutta; limits. In course of time, the factory area, has come with Inner City Zone on account of (b) whether new s~e has bee'n selected el

(d) whether any efforts has been made Import of component and Spares for to check air-po\\ution. \\ any in the existing BuUd\ng up of Vessels by H.S.L set up of the Telecom Factory at Calcutta: 6634. SHRIV. SREENIVASAPRASAD: (e) if so. the details thereof; and Will the Minister.of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased to state: (1) the action proposed to avoid fresh expenditure on shifting? (a) whether Hindustan Shipyard limited, Vishakhapatnam has increased import THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE of component and spares during the year MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 1988-89 and 1989-90 compared to previous JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. only a two years, for building up different vessels; part of the factory is proposed to be sh~ted. , (b) if so, the details of items of imports (b) Yes, Sir. The new site has been made by the HSL from each country and se1ected at Gopalpore, Calcutta. The esti- expenditure incurred for the procurement of mated cost of construction etc, is Rs. these items during 1988-89 and 1989-90; 6,09,80,000/-. and

(c) Yes, SIr. A notice was received from (c) the details of proposed import of West Bengal Pollution Central Board in July, such nemsfortheyear 1990-91 including fire 1985 to obtain their consent for discharge of protection door? affluents from the existing factory in accordance with the "Water (Prevention and Control of Pollution) Act 1974". THE MINISTEROF SURFACE TRANS- PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRI~HNAN): (a}l (d) Yes, Sir. No, Sir. The position is stat,ed below: 71 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written Answers 72

Year No. of items imported Cost (Rs. in crores) Total

1 2 3 4

1986-87 For Cargo Ships 113 3.13 For Drillship 5 54.19 ForOPSSVs 3 1.32 58.64

1987-88 For Cargo Ships 121 14.05 For Drillship 5 0.56 ForOPSSVs 2 0.06 14.67

1988-89 For Cargo Ships 56 13.69

1989-90 FOT eargo Ships 37 5.1

(b) Details of Imports With countries of Chittorgarh? origin would be laid on the Table of the House. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (c) During 1990-91 HSL proposes to JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) 2245 Nos. of import025 items for Cargo Ships at a cost of Gram Panchayat Headquarters are having Rs. 1.83 crores. However, import of Fire Telecom facil~ies as on 31.3.1990. Protedion Doors during 1990-91 is not contemplated by the Shipyard (b) All Gram Panchayat Headquarters In Udaipur, Chittorgarh, Dungarpur and [ TranslationJ Banswara districts of Rajasthan are likely to b~ lined with Telecom facility during 8th Five Telephone Facility to Gram Panchayats Year Plan. In Rajasthan (c) Pratapgarh is already connected 6635. SHAI NANDLAL MEENA: Will With district headquarter Chlttorgarh by an the Minister of COMMUNICATtONS be open· wire line. pleased to state: In order to Improve connectivity, and (a) the number of Panchayat head - reliability rt is proposed to connpct Prat- quarters in Rajasthan having telephone apgarh wnh Chittorgarh by means of a 120 facility: Channel Digital UHF System during tlie 8th P\an. (b) the time by which all Panchayat headquarters in Udaipur, Chittorgarh, Dur- Construction work on National Highway gapur and Banswara districts of Rajasthan between Pasrata and Na,ayanpur In are likely to be lined with telephones; and Blhlr

(c) whether there is any proposal for 6636. SHRI RAM SHARAN YADAV: providing direct telephone link between Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANS- Pratapgarh and District headquarters of PORT be pleased to state: 73 Writen Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) WrittBn AnsW9fS 74

(a) whether the construction work on [ Translation] National Highway between Pasrata and Narayanpur in Khagaria District of Bihar is Pilgrimage to Hlnglaj Mata'. Temple going on for the last many years and has not been completed s!, far; 6638. KUMARI UMA BHARA TI: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL ~FFAIRS be (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and pleased to state:

(~) the steps proposed to be taken for (a) the location of Hinglaj Mata's temple early completion of the work for the smooth in Pakistan; rlow of traffic? (b) whether Hindu pilgrims are allowed THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- to go there; rORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) to Ie) No, Sir. All the works sanctioned for (c) ff so, the number of Hindu pilgrims Improvement of this section earlier underthe who have visited that temple since inde- ifegular development programme have been pendence:and completed. However, flood damage repair works sanctioned during the last financial (d) if not, the steps taken by Govern- year are in progress. These are likely to be ment to get the temple opened to Hindu completed by June, 1'990. pilgrims?

[English] THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- FAIRS (SHRI I.K. GUJRAl): (a) Hinglaj Arappuzha Bridge in Kerala Mata's temple is located in District Lasbeta (Balochistan) in Pakistan. 6637. PROF. SAVITHRI LAKSH- MANAN: Will tre MInister of SURFACE (b) to (d) Government have requested TRANSPORT be pleased to state: the Government ef Pakistan to open up more shrines, including Mata Hinglaj's temple, to (a) whether the Government have pilgrims from India and the matter remains approved the proposal to construct Arap- under the latter's consideration. puzha bndge In Kerala at the first reach of Kozhikode bye-pass: and [Eng/ish1 (b) If so, the total amount sanctioned for the construction? Construction and Improvement of National Highways In Punlab

THE M'NlSTER OF SURFACE TRANS- 6639. SHR' KAMAL CHAUDHRY: Will PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): !(a) the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be and (b). The work of .construction of Arap- pleased to state: puzha bridge is provided in the· Annual Plan 1990·91 at an estimated cost Rs. 500.00 (a) the total kilometres of National lakhs and the Techmcal proposal received Highways oonstructed. improved, and re- 10rm the State Government has been ap- paired in Punjab during the year 1989·90; proved. and 75 Written Answws APRIL 26, 1990

(b) the expenditure incurred thereon? AGRICULTURE (SHRI ~mSH KUMAR): (a) Names of the insedicidts Including THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- fungicides and herbicides which are in the PORT (SHR~ K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) schedule to the Insecticides Act, 1968 (upto and (b). No new construction of National date) are given at Annexure-I [Placed in Highways was undertaken during 1989-90. library. SH l T No. 1002190]. Name of the However, improvements by way of strength- insactk:ides, fungicides, herbicides which ening the carriageway in 85 kms. provision were in the schedule to the Act since its of paved shoulders in 32.88 km. and raising enactmentment and have been granted of road level in 1.5 km., were completed registration certificate by the Registration during the year. The entire length of 973 Committee during the last three years are kms. of the National Highways was main- given at Annexur~-II [Placed in Library. See tained and repaired to the required stan- LT No. 1002190]. dards, keeping in view the traffic intensity as well as the availability of funds. During the (b) No application pertaining to insecti- year, expenditure of Rs. 26.16 crores and cides including fungicides and herbicides is Rs. 4.5 crores respectively has been re- pending betore Central Insecticides Board ported by Punjab P.W.D. for development for their inclusion in the Schedule to the and maintenance of the National Highways. insecticides Act, 1968.

.....lcIdes insecticides In the Schodule list of insecticides including fungicides to the Insectlctdes Act 1968 and herbicides in respect of which applications for registration under section 9 (3) and 6640. SHRI RAMO AS SINGH: Will the 9 (38) pending before the Registration Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to Committee is placed at Annexure-III [Placed state: in Library. See l T No. 1002190) A and lit [Placed in Library. 596 LT No. 1002190] 8 (a) the names of the insecticides, fungi- respectively. Names of the applicants prod- cides, herbicides which were in the schedule uct wise are also mentioned therein. to the Insecticides Act, 1968 since its enact- ment and have been granted registration Telephone Connections In Ghaziabad certificate by the Registration Committee of Telephone Exchange the Central Insecticides Board during the last three years; and 6641. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH: Will the Minister of COMMUNtCA- (b) the names of the insecticides, fungi- TDNS be pleased to state: cides and herbicides which are pending before the Registration Committee of the (a) the backlog in telephone c0nnec- Central Insecticides Board for inclusion in tions provided in Ghaziabad under MCh the schedule and also which are pending for category as on 31 March, 1990; and grant of registration certificate before the Registration Committee under sections 9 (3) (b) the tentative progran'Hne for cover- and 9 (3B) of the Insecticides Act alongwith age by the end of current year in -ach the names of the parties, product-wise? category?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATioNS (SHRt COOPERATJON IN THE MINISTRY OF JANESHWAR MISHRA): (8) The number of n Written Answ.ets VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written An,.,. 78 persons on the waiting list category wise as bad is given bflow: on 31.3.90 in various exchanges in Ghazia-

Category No. of persons in waiting list in

Rajnagar Telephone Pa~/NagarTe~phone Shahdara East Exchange Exchange Telephone Exchange

2 3 4

OYTGeneral 9 3 6

OYTSpecial

NOYT Special 14 5 8

NOYT SS

NOYT General 3584 378 463

Total 3607 387 477

(b) Expansion by 7000 Unes in Rajnagar THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE telephone exchange has been planned dur- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ing the current year which IS expected to SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) to (e). All clear the waiting list in all categories except applications received from Goa upto the NOYT. General category in that exchange. prescribed date (31.3.1982) were consid- No expansion 10 otHer exchanges is ex- eted and decisions communicated to the pected during the current year. applicants. However, where applicants, whose claims had not been accepted, fur- Applications of Freedom fighters nish additional evidence, the case is re- vieWed. This is a continuing process. 6642. PROF. GOPALRAOMAYEKAR: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Road Projects Cleared under c.mral pleased to state: Road Fund to RajaSthan

6643. SHRI HEMENDRA SINGH (a) the number of applications of Free- BANERA: Will the Minister of SURFACE dom Fighters trom Goa pending w~h the TRANSPORT be pleased to state: Central Government for approval of their pensions; (a) whether there is proposal to construct a bye-pass road at Bhilwara and a (b) reasons for the delay; and road from Bhilwara to Deoli via Banera;

(c) the steps proposed to expedite the (b) H so, whether Union Government matter? propose to provide assistance for the con- 79 Written Answers APRIL 26,1990 Written Answers 80 strudion of these pro;eas from Central Road THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Fund; MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) No, Sir. (c) if so, the details thereof; and (b) Question does not arise. (d) if not, the reasons thereof? (c) Jaspur is being given connectivity through 8 Mb/s (120 ChI.) High grade optical THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- fibre system in the 8th plan period and there- PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (R) fore Microwave System is not being planned Government of Rajasthan has not sought on this route. Central assistance for the construction of Bhilwara byepass, located on a State road. Salaries to Extra Departmental Employ· As regards, construction of State Roads ees from Bhilwara-Shahpura (via Banera) and Shahpura-Jahajpur-Deoli, proposals have 6645. SHAISATYANARAYANJATIYA: been received from the State Government Will the Minister of COMMUNICA nONS be for assistance under Centra~ Road Fund. pleased to state:

(b) to (d). As the actual augmentation of (a) since when the Extra Departmental Central Road Fund against which the pro- Employees service is existing in Postal posals were invited has not yet taken place, Departments and the details of the salaries the same have not been processed for and facil~ies being provided to them; and approval. (b) the State-wise number of Extra [ Translation} Departmental Employees in the country at present and the number of such employees who have been regularised in the Depart- Microwave Centre at Jaspur In Ralgarh mental services during the last three years District and the scheme for regularising them in future? 6644. SHRI NAND KUMAR SAl: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the Minister of COMMUNICA TrONS be MINISTRYOF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI pleased to state-: JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) The Extra Departmental System, as a regular measure, was introduced in the Y9ar 1866-67. The (a) whether Government propose to set Extra Departmental employees are not paid up a Microwave Centre at Jaspur in Raigarh salary but they are paid monthly allowance district; subject to a certain minimum and maximum depending upon the workload. The allow- (b) if so, when; and ance of all categories of Extra Departmental employees revised with effect from 1.1.1986 (c) ~ not, the reasons therefor? are as under:

CatBgory Min. Max.

EO Sub postmaster and ED Sorter 385 620

ED Branch pos1master 275 440

AU ED Stamp Vendors 270 420 81 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnsW81S 82

Min. Max.

All other ED Agents.

i) for less than two hours ofworldoad. As. 240 (Fixed)

ii) for workload of two hours 270 420 and above.

In addition to the aforesaid allowances, (a) whether Government haye a pr0- the ED Branch Postmasters are eligibte to posed to provide STO facilities in some more draw delivery and conveyance allowance towns in Orissa during 1990-91; upto a maximum of Rs. 50/- and office maintenance allowance upto a maximum of Rs. (b) if so, the towns identified therefor; 25/- p.m. The ED Delivery AgentslED Mail Carriers and eligible for grant of cycle allow- (c) whether there is a proposal to intro- ance of Rs. 20/- p.m. There is also a provi- duce 'STD facility in Paralakhemundi and sion to grant fixed stationery charges of Rs. some other towns in Ganjam districts in 3/- per Extra Departmental Branch Post- Orissa; masters/Extra Departmental Sub postmasters and As. 11- in respect of other categories (d) if so, the details thereof; and of ED Agents. From 1.1.90 the ED employees have become entitled to dearness allow- (e) whether STD facilities would be ance at the rate of 38/- of their basic allow- provided to those towns in 1990-91? ance. They are also eligible tor grant of ex- gratia gratuity and the maximum amount THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE payable is Rs. 3000/- subject to a minimum MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHAI service of 10 years. ED Agents can avail JANESHWAA MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. leave without allowances upto a maximum of 180 days. Besides thiS, flood advance of (b) Thefollowing 11 stations are planned As. 1001- recoverable in 10 instalments is to be provided with srqfacility during 1990- also sanctioned to ED ernployees as and 91: Aska, Bargafh, Chandipur Gunupur, when the same IS sanctioned to regular JOOa, Jatni Barbil, Kantabanji, Mowrangpur, government servants in the flood affected Porlakhemundi, Aajgangpur. areas. The ED Agents are also entrtled to productivity linked bonus on the basis of their (c) Yes, Sir. actual emoluments. (d) Paralakhemundi and Aska (b) The information is being called from the postal Circles and will be placed on the (e) Yes, Sir, subject to availability of table of the House. equipment.

[English] Agitation by Ladakhl Budhlsts Associa- STO Facilities In Orissa tion

6646. SHAt GOPI NATH GfJ.JAPATHI: 6647. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCfNDIA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: pleased to state: 83 Writf9ll Answers APRil 26. 1990

(a) whether Government attention has AecommIndattonI of Kapur ...... been drawn to the threat given by the La- CommIttM dakhi Budhists Association to launch an agitation for an autonomous District Council; 6649. SHRI SHANTtLAl PU- RUSHOTTAMDAS PATEL: (b) K so, the details of their demands: SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: and SHRI KAILASH MEGHWAL: SHRI KIRPAl SINGH: (c) the Govemment's stand In regard thereto? WiU the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (a) whether it is a fact that Justice (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) Kapur a co-member of the Kapur-Mittal to (c). The Ladakhl Budhists Association Committee set up to inquire into the delin- have since dropped their demand for Union quencies of Delhi Police Officers during Territory Status and have Instead demanded November, 1984 riots in Delhi has recom- autonomous District Council for Leh. It is for mended the Inst~ution of a full-fledged high the State Government to consider the de- powered Inquiry into the conduct of the po- mand of the ASSOCiation with in the frame- lice personnel: and work of the constitution of Jammu and Ka- shmir and other State laws. (b) if so, the details thereof and Govern- ment's reaction thereto? Committee to--Enquire into Delhi Police Officer's Delinquencies THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 6648 SHRI DHARMESH PRASAD SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) and (b). The VARMA: Will the Minister of HOME AF- Report of Kapur-Mittal Committee submitted FAIRS be pleased to.state: to the U. Governor, Delhi on the 1st March, 1990 IS under examination in Delhi Admini- stratIOn. (a) whether the committee set up to inquire IOto the delinquencies of Deihl Police I Translation] Officers dUring November. 1984 riots In Deihl has submitted Its report; Land under Dethlland Reforms Act

(b) If so, the finding thereof, and 6650. SHRI L.K. ADVANI: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to (c) the actIOn taken by Government state: thereon?

(a) the maximum limit of irrtgated land THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE In possession of one family under the Deihl MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Land Reforms Act; SUBOOH KANT SAHAY): (a) to (c). The Kapur-Mittal Committee, which was set upto (b) whether sanctIOn to purchase the enquire into the delinquencies of Delhi Po- land and get it registered in villages of lice Officers has submitted its Report to the Mehrauh Tehsil was issued to some people U. Governor of Deihl on 1st March, 1990, during the year 1985; and and is under examination of the Delhi AI:J- ministration. (c) ~so, the detaasand reasons thereof? 85 Writtsn Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 86

THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR ii) 8.7 hectares, in the case of RURAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS- land which is assured of irriga- TRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI UPENDRA tionfrom a Govem ment source NATH VERMA): (a) Under the provisions of of irrigation and is capable of Delhi land Reforms Act, no maximum limit yielding at least one crop in a of land irrigated or otherewise which could year; or be held by one family is prescribed. The limit of holding to be held by the bhumidhars is (c) 21. 8 hectares, in the case of prescribed in the Delhi Land Holding Ceiling any other land including an Act, 1960, details of which are as under: orchard.

(a) i) 7.25 hectares, in case of land In addition to the above land, whicl1 is assured of Irrigation a person representing a family from a private source of Irriga- shall, also be entitled to hold tion and is capable of yieldIng land not exceeding the ceiling at least two crops in a year; or limit for each of his major sons.

ii) 5.8 hectares, in the case of land which is assured of Irrlga- (b) and (c). Transfer of land in Delhi is tionfrom aGovernmentwurce registered under the Indian Registration Act of irrigation and is capahle of only when a No Objection Certificate is ob- yielding at least two crop In a tained trom the Deputy Commissioner, Delhi year: or under the provisions of Delhi laond (Registra- tion on Transfer) Act, 1962. This No Objec- (b; i) 10.9 h('ctares. In the case of tion Certificate is issued only in respect of land which is assured 01 irrtga- lands which are free from the notification of tion from a private source of acquisition Issued under Section 6 of the IrrigatlO" and IS capable of Land Acquisition Act. Particulars of such Yielding at least one crop in a N.O.C. issued on 27.3.85, 25.7.85 and 8.8.85 year: or are given in the Statement enclosed. 87 Written Answers APRil 26, 1990 Written Answers 88

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[English] THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAl AF· FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAL): (8) and (b). In Peraons Arrested on Chlrge of EspIo- their bilateral dialogue on chemicalweapona nage the Un~ed States and the Soviet Union have agreed to start reducing their chemical 6651. SHRf YAOVENDRA DATT: Will weapons stocks even before the entry into the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased force of the Chemical Weapons Convention to state: which is under negotiation within the Confer- ence on Disarmament in Geneva. The exact (a) the number of persons arrested on details of these reductions are still to be charges of espionage during the last three worked out. years; (c) and (d). India and most other neutral (b) the number of cases decided and and Non-aligned countries have welcomed those still pending alongwith reasons for the the recent US-Soviet understanding on the pending cases; and reduction of their chemical weapons stock- piles. They hope that these reductions will be (c) the number of persons acquitted. carried out as a part of the basic objective of and the reasons therefor? the Chemical Weapons Convention under negotiation. completely to eliminate all chemi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cal weapons and their production facilities MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI w~hin a period of ten years after the entry SUBOOH KANT SAHAY): (a) to (c), As per into force of the Convention. available information. during the last three years 247 persons were arrested on charges [ Translation] of espionage. During thi~ period. 61 cases resulted in conviction and 73 cases are ei- Visit of Indian Writers Delegations to ther under trial or under investigation. Three Foreign Countries persons were acquitted by the Courts during this period. 6653. PROF. SHAllENDRANA TH SHRIVASTAVA: Will the Minister of EX- Reduction of Chemical Arms TERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

6652. SHRI· PRAKASH KOKO (a) the number of delegations of Indian BRAHMBHATI: writers wentto foreign countries during 1988- SHRI DHARMESH PRASAD 89, 1989-90 and the countries visited by VERMA: them: and

WiH the Minister of EXTERNAL AF- (b) the total number of writers in the said FAIRS be pleased to state: delegations and the number of Hindi writers amongst them? (a) whether the United States of Amer- ica and USSR have agreed to reduce the chemical aflT•• so as to give peace in the THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- world; FAIRS (SHRII.K. GWRAL): (a) During 1988- 89, one Indian writers delegation went to (b) jf SO, to what extent. Czechoslovakia and during 1989-90 two Indian writers delegations- one each to China (c) whether this move has been wet- and Bangladesh-were sponsored by the comed by India and other countries; and Indian Council for Cultural Relations.

(d) Wso, the details thereof? (b) The information is as under: 101 Wntten Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 102

i) The delegation to Czechoslovakia from IDA comprised of five writers and included two Hindi writers. The credit is repayable in haH yearty instalments over a period of 35 years with a H) The delegation to China comprised grace period of 10 year. a total of seven writers (sent in two parts in June, 1989 and December, A commitment charge on the principal 1989) and included two Hindi writ- amount of the credit not withdrawn from time ers. to time at a rate to be set by fDA as of June 30 of each year, but not to exceed the rate of iii) The delegation to Bangladesh one ha~ of one per cent per annum. comprised of two writers and did not Include any Hindi writer. A service charge of three-fourths of one per cent per annum on the principal amount [English] of the credit withdrawn and outstanding from time to time is also payable. foreign Loan tor Watershed Project ;i) Terms and condition of loan sanc- 6655. SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHI: Will tioned by IBRD the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: The loan is repayable in haH yearly instalments over a-period of 20 years with 5 (a) whether the International Develop- years grace period. ment Association and World Bank have sanctioned loan for watershed project in the A commitment charge at a rate of three- country; fourths of one per cent per annum on the principal amount of the loan not withdrawn (b) the amount of loan applied, loan from time to time; and sanctioned and the terms and conditions settled with each of the above organisation, Interest at a rate of one-half per cent per separately; and annum on banks' qualified borrowings is also payable. (c) the time by which the projects are likely to be launched, State-wise? (c) The project is likely to be launched shortly in the states of Haryana, Himachal THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF Diversion of Funds Meant for Earth· AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): quake Victims (a) Yes, Sir. The International Development Association (IDA) and International Bank for 6656. SHRI NARSINGRAO SURYA- Reconstruction and Development (IBRD) WANSHI: Will the Minister of AGRICUL- have recently sanctioned credit and loan for TURE be pleased to state: Integrated Watershed Development Project (Hills). (a) whether ~ is a fact that the funds sanctioned by Union Government to Hima- (b) . A credit of _US$ 56.8 million and a chal Pradesh Government for relief to the loan of US$ 13.0 million have been negoti- victims of the earthquake that rocked Kan- ated and sanctioned. The tarms and condi- gra in April, 1986 were diverted by the State tions for credk and loan afe given below: Government for other purposes;

i) The terms and conditions of credit (b) if so, the details thereof; and 103 Written AnsweIS APRIL 26, 1990

(c) the steps taken by Union Govern- THE MINfSTER OF STATE IN THE ment in this regard? • DEPARTMENT Of AGRICULTURE AND COOPERA T10N IN THE MINISTRY OF THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND (a) There are no proposal for the construc- COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRV OF tion of fishery harbours in Maharashtra AGRICULTURE (SHAt NmSH KUMAR): pending with Govemment of India. (a) No, Sir. (b) and (c). Do not arise. (b) and (c). Do not arise.

Supply of Potlsh by Soviet Union [Eng/ish]

6657. SHRtMATI BASAVA RAJES- Verification about foreign Coltlborl· WARI: Wdl the Minister of AGRICUl lURE tlons be pleased to state: 6659. SHRI SUDARSAN (a) whether the Soviet Union has agreed RAYCHAUDHURI: to supply five lakh tonne of muriate of potash SHRI K. PRADHANI: under the trade plan for this year: SHRI T. BAlA GOOD: CH. RAM PRAKASH: (b) if so, to what extent this will meet the SHRf PRAKASH V. PATll: requirements of the fertilizer; Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (c) whether some other countrtes have pleased to state: also agreed to supply the same; and (a) whether the aedentiats of foreign (d) if so, the quantity thereof. coun- collaborators, particularly from the angle of tfyWise? security and integrity of the country, are verified before their requests for coIabora- THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL tions are cleared; SUPPLIES (SHRt NATHU RAM MIRDHA):

6658. PROF. MAHADEO (d) if so. the details thereof? SHIWANKAR: Will the Minister of AGRI- CULTURE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (8) the number of proposal for construc- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI tion of fishery harbours in Maharashtra SUBODH KANT SAHAV): (a) Ves. Sir. pending with Union Government; (b) The verification is done through (b) the reasons theretor; and record-check of foreign collaborators.

(c) the action taken or proposed to be (c} and (d). This relates to security. and taken bv the Union Government to clear cannot be disclosed on the Aoor of the these projects? House. 105 Written Answers VA1SAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 106

foreign Con8ultant In C-DOT THE MINISTE~ OF STATE OF THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 6660. SHAI R. GUNDU RAO: JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. SHRI Y. RAMAKRISHNA: All the 27 district headquarters in Ra- Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- jasthan have been provided with SID facility TIONS be pleased to state: to Jaipur.

(a) the foreign consunants employed by (b) and (c). Question does not arise in C-ooT as technical consultants; view of (a) above.

(b) the jobs for which appointments [English] were made: Tribunals or Redressal Forums of (c) whether any condrtlons regarding Telecom Department under Consum- qual~ications, experience, etc. were laid ers' Protection Act down: 6662. SHRI P.C. THOMAS: Will the (d) whether any selection board was set Minister of COMMUN ICATIONS be pleased up; and to state:

(e) ~ so, the details of such appointment (a) the number of cases of excess including terms of contract consulting serv- billing pending against the department in ice obtained, their provisions background Tribunals or reddressal forums under Con- and foreign exchange paid? sumers' Protection Act, 1986 and the number of cases decided againstthe department for the past one year; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHAI (b) whether the General Manager JANESHWAR MISHAA): (a}to (e).lnfQrma- incharge of customer services of telecom- tion is being collected and will be laid on the munications department instruded all chiefs table of the House as soon as ~ is ready. of telecom departm~nt to treat the Tribunal under Consumers' Protection Act or Con- [ Translation] sumer Redressal Forums against the department, if so, the reasons thereof?

STD Links to District Headquarters THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE from Jaipur MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) and (b). The 6661. SHRI NATHU SINGH: Will the information is being collected and wiHbe laid Ministerof COMMUNICATIONS be pleased on the Table of the House as earty as pos- to state: sible.

(a) whether Government propose to New Thevera Bridge provide SID link to each district headquarter from Jaipur in Rajasthan; 6663. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: Witthe Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be (b) if so, the details thereof and the pleased to stale: names of districts likely to be linked during 1990-91: and (a) whether the construction of the Thavera bridge connecting Cochin Port to (c) if not, the reasons therefor? Cochin has been completed; 107 WnlrfM AnsW9rS APRil 26, 1990 Written Answers 108

(b) the expend~ure incurred on the (f) to (h). The slow progress is due to late c:onatruction; starting of reclamation work and deployment of less number of dredgers. Progress of the (c) whether the link roads connecting work is being reviewed regularty and the this bridge to the Cochin city and to the bridge is expeded to be opened for traffic by Cochin Port are not yet cornpteted; the end of the financial year.

(d) the amount allotted for this purpose; Widening of National HIghways

(e) the agency involved in construction 6664. SHRI KAOAMBUR M.R. JAN- of these two link roads; ARDHANAN: S~I RAMESH CHENNI- (1) whether enqUiry has been made to THALA: find outthe reasons for delay in the construction of the link roads; Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANS- PORT be pleased to state: (g) the steps taken tor the speedy completion of these link roads. and (a) whether there is any proposal for widening of National Highways with high (h) when it is expected to open this link density of traffic to tour lanes: and road-cum-bridge for regular traffic? (b) if so, the sectors identified alongwith THE MINISTER OF SURF ACE TRANS- the detai Is of the widening proposals ot those PORT (SHRt K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) sectors, State-wise. the allocations made. if and (b). Yes. Sir. An expenditure of Rs. 639 any. therefor? lakhs has been incurred on the construction of the bridge upto March. 1990. THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) (c) to (e). Yes, Sir. An amount of Rs. Vest Sir. 359.39 lakhs has been provided for this project for 1990-91. and the Cochin Port (b) Astatement indicating the details IS Trust IS the executmg agency. attached. 109 Written Answers -----_ - VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 110

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DIgItal Electronic Exchanges exchanges proposed to be commissioned in dijferent cities during the plan period. State- 6665. SHAI SRIKANTHA DATTA wise? NARASIMHA RAJA WADIYAR: Will the Ministerof COMMUN ICATIONS be pleased THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE to state: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) As on (a) the number of digital electronic 31.3.1990, eighty one (81) local digital elec- exchanges commissIOned in different met- tronic exchanges have D8en commissioned ropolitan c~ies so far; in different metropolitan cities namely Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta and Madras. (b) whether Government have a proposal to set up more such digital electron)c (b) Yes, Sir. exchanges durrng Eighth Plan: and (c) Details are given in the attached (c) ~ so, the number of digital electronic Statement.

STATEMENT

Details of Digffal Electronic Exchanges durmg Eighth Plan period in various Cffies and Towns

51. No. State No. of Digital Exchange

C,ties Towns

2 3 4

1. Andhra Pradesh 16 567

2. Assam 3 176

3. Bihar 5 257

4. Kamataka 10 483

5. Kerala 17 303

6. Manipur

7. Meghalaya 161

8. Tripura

9. Orissa 3 212

10. Tamil Nadu 13 358

11. Pondicherry (UT}

12. West Bengal 11 236 123 Written Answers APRIL 26. 1990 Written Answers 124

SI.No. State No. of Digital Exchange

Cities Towns

2 3 4

13. Himachal Pradesh 185

14. Jammu & Kashmir 2 62

15. Goa

16. Madhya Pradesh 4 406

17 Deihl (UT) 28

18. GUJarat 23 370

19. Uttar Pradesh 12 394

20. Rajasthan 9 345

21. HallYana 8 187

22. Punjab 10 291

23. Maharashtra 24 595

24. Bombay 94

Total 298 5588

[ Translation] hne manual exchange already eXists at Jhanlharpur in Bihar. SeHing up Telephone Exchange in Jhanjharpuf, Bihar (b) and (c). Not applicable In view of (a) above 6666. SHRI DEVENDRA PRASAD YADAV: Will the MInister of COMMUNICA· [Engflsh] TIONS be pleased to state Automlsatlon of Telephone Exchlnge. (a) whether Union Government have taken any steps to set up telephone ex- 6667 SHRI MORESHWAR SAVE: Will change in Jhan,harpur ;n Bihar: the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (b) if so. the details thereof; and (a) whether Kasaragod circle In Kerala. ("\ If ~~t the reasons therefor? IS the ftrst to automlSS all telephone exchanges In the whole of the country: THt ~"INI~ TER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRYOf- COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) if so, whether there are any other JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) At present 100 dlstncts wherein such automisatlOn facility is 125 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 126 planned In the near future, and by a court the permit IS suspended upto 30 days and the vehICle IS Impounded (c) If so, the details thereof? [Engllsh1

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Accidents Involving Private Buses JANESHWAR MISHRA) (a) No, Sir Kasar- under DTe Operation god was the last District to auto mise all telephone exchanges In Kerala Circle. 6669 SHRI RAM SAGAR (Saldpur) Will the Mlntster of SURFACE TRANS- (b) and (c) In view of reply at (a) PORT be pleased to state questIOn does not anse

[ Trans/atlon] (a) the number of private buses under o T C OperatIon Involved In aCCidents dur- 109 the last SIX months, month-Wise how do Overcharging by TaxI and Auto Rlk- the same compare WIth the last three yearc; shaw Drlvers.n Deihl In the same penod

(b) whether these aCCidents were due 6668 SHRI RAJVEER SINGH Will the to unroadworthlness of the busec- and Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased to state (c) the details ot actIOn taken against the operatIOns?

(a) the number of complaints received from Deihl dUring last SIX months ;:.}qalnst THE MINISTEROF SURFACE TRANS auto-nkshaw and taxI drtvers for refusing to PORT (SHAI K P UNNIKRISHNAN) (a) take passengers, overcharging and r-llsbe The number of aCCidents InvolVing private havlour and buses under D T C operation dUring the penod from October, 1989 to March, 1990 (b) the action taken against the drivers' and the fIgures tor the corresponding penod owners of these vehicles? for the last three years are given In the attached statement

THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT (SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN) (a) (b) One of the terms of agreement The number of such complamts receIved by between the 0 T C and the owner of the bus the Directorate of Transport Deihl Admini- IS that the owner of the bus should keep the stratIOn and the Deihl Police dUring thp last bus roadworthy In terms of the Deihl Motor SIX months IS 3250 As a resu" of spot Vehicles Rules and carry out all necessary checktng conducted by the Deihl P')hce, rppalrc; 8480 auto-nckshaw dnver and 130 taxI drivers were also challaned dunng the perIOd of last SIX monthc; (c) Out::>f 22 prIVate buses under 0 T C operation Involved In fatal accidents dUring October, 19£9 to March 1990, contracts of (b) Refusal. over-chargtng and misbe- 17 buses were terminated. fine was Imposed haVIour are vIOlations of the conditIons of on the operator of one bus and no final permit StrICt action IS taken against the deciSion has been taken In regard to the VIOlators of permit conditIOns On conVICtion remaining 4 cases 127 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written AnsW9rs 128

STATEMENT Number Statement of the number of accidents involving prNB'" buses under D. T. C. 2 operation during tl'!~ pPrioct from October. 1989 to A4afCh. 1~O clnd frgur9S for the corresponding period during the last thr99 March,1988 59 rears. Total Period Number

2 October, 1986 168

October. 1989 18 November I 1986 147

November. 1:l89 12 December, 1986 128

December. 9 January I 1987 134

January.1990 ,, February I 1987 120

February, 1990 March. 1987 135

March. 1990 15 Total 832

Total 73 Note: Information for the period from October, 1986 to March, 1987 and October,1987toMarch,1988have October. 19B8 8 been given from the records of OTe who has provided conductors to November .1988 11 the private buses under OTe operation. Information for the periods December. 1988 15 from October, 1988toMarch,1989 and October. '989 to March, 1990 January. 1989 23 have been obtained by the DTC from the police records. February. 1989 10 l Tfans/alian) Mrlrch,1989 8 Setting up of Micro-wave TelecommunI- Total 75 cation Centre at Jhabua

6670. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA: 147 Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: 167 (a) the time by which micro-wave tele- 141 communication centre set up in Jhabua district in Madhya Pradesh is likely to be com- January. , ~iiA 131 missIOned;

February. 19~e 126 (b) whether this centre is ready for a 129 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 130 long time and the necessary equipments are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE also available; and DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF (c) if so, the reasons for not making the said centre functional so far? AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): (a) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) Does not arise. JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) A UHF Centre at Jhabua has been commissioned on (c) The production and research as- 26.3.90. pects of pepper are well taken care of by the Ministry of Agriculture. The Spices Board (b) No, Sir. The complete equipment constituted under the Ministry of Commerce was received only in February'90 and the is intended to develop, promote and regulate Instalation was completed on 26.3.90. the export of spices including pepper. There- fore, It is felt that there is no need to consti- (c) Not apphcable. tute a separate Corporation for pepper.

[Englishl Digital Electronic Exchanges In Deihl.

Pepper Corporation of India SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJ: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 6671. SHRI PALAI K.M. MATHEW: to state: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (a) whether new digital electronic exchanges have been opened in Delhi during (a) whether Government propose to this year: and constitute a Pepper Corporation of India on the Lines of the Jute Corporation, Oilseeds (b) if so, the cost incurred. Corporation, Coconut Corporation etc., exchange-wise?

(b) if so, the details thereof: and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (c) if not, the reasons therefor? JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b)

Name of exchange and code Approximate Project Cost in Lakhs (Rs.)

Janpath '371' 1900

Chhattarpur '727' 320

Delhi Gate '326.'327' 1000

Vasant Kuni '689' 540 131 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written Answers 132

Name of eNchange and code Approximate Project Cost in Lakhs (Rs.)

Palam '3295' 175

Shadipur '570 892

Idgah '753' 530

Janakpuri '5501559' 2040

Jorbagh '462' 175

Delhi Cantt '329' 300

Paschim Vihar '558' 892

Road Construction Proposallrom Expanllon and Modernisation 0' Andhra Pradesh Telecommunication Network in ReIDt- han 6673. SHRt M. SAGA REDDY: Willthe MInister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be 6674. SHRtMATI VASUNDHARA pleased to state: RAJE: Will the MInister of COMMUNICA- TIONS be pleased to state: (a) whether in July, 1989, Andhra Pradesh Government submitted a proposal (a) the .steps taken for the expansion regarding road construction to Union Gov- and modernisation of TaJecommunication ernment for approval under Central Road network in Rajasthan during Seventh Ptan Fund: and period; and

(b) if so, the action taken by GOYfJrn- (b) the steps proposed to be taken to ment thereon? improve the service and clear the pending applications during the Eighth Five Year MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Plan? PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) Yas, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) As the actual augmentation of the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Central Road Fund against which the pro- JANESHWAR MISHRA) (8) During the 7th posals were invited has not yet taken place, Plan, the telecommunication network in the the same have not been processed for sanc- State of Rajasthan has ben expanded. tion. inter-alia, by additIOn 01:- 133 Wrmen Answers VAISAKHA 6, '912 (SAKA) Written Answers 134

(i) local switching capacity of about • 5000 lines by the end of 8th 64000 lines which included about Plan period. 39110 hnes of electronic sw~ch ing equipment. Transfer of Technology by U.S.

6675. SHAI N.J. AATHVA: WtH the (ii) about 43760 net new telephone Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to connections. state:

(iii) telex capacity of 800 lines. (a) whether U.S. has offered technol- (iv) about 1109 net new long Distance ogy and expertise to India in the field of Public Telephones in Tural areas. irrigation, seeds, livestock improvement, bracklsh-water aquaculture post-harvest technology etc; Modernisation programme during the same period included automatisation of 20 manual (b) if so, whether any agreement has exchanges, replacement of about 40 old been sIgned with the U.S. Government; exchanges, ducting of underground network and Induction of modern electronic ex- (c) the main areas of agreement; and changes. (d) to what extent the adoption of this expertise is likely to Increase the agnculture (b) The Eighth Plan proposals provide production in the country? for:-

(i) AutomatisattOn of, all local THE MINISTER Of STATE IN THE manual exchanges. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF (ii) Replacement of all life expIred. AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): worn out and unserviceable (a) to (d). A.U.S. Agricultural Trade and equtpments. Development Mission visited India towards the end of March. 1990 and held wide rang- (iii) Induction of electronic equip- ing dIscussions with Indian officials. The ments. objective of the Mission was to build stronger agricultural trade relationships between the (iv) Ducting of underground cable U.S. and other countries. system.

During the discussions. broad areas for (v) Expansion of the network to cooperation were identifies in the sectors provide telephones practically relating to seeds. livestock. dairying. fisher- on demand in all local exchange ies. post harvest technology and agrtH:»ased systems with capacity upto 5000 industries etc. lines and to contain the waiting period on an average to one year in local exchange systems The visit of the MiSSIOn was exploratory with a capacity 01 more than in nature and no agreement was Signed. 135 Wrilten AnS"1S APR,- 26, 1990 Written AnSwelS 136

( Translation] (d) the steps taken by Government to secure their release? loaMs Incurred by Centra' Agrlcultura' Firma THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAL): (a) No, Sir. 6676. SHRI SHOPAT SINGH MAKKASAR: WitltheMinisterof AGRICUL- (b) to (d). Does not arise. TURE be pleased to state: Long Term Road Policy (a) whether Central Agricuhural Farms in Suratgarh, Sardargarh and Jaitsar are 6678. SHRI CHITTA BASU: Will the incurring continuous losses; Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased to state: (b) if so, the reasons therefor: (a) whether there is any proposal to (c) whether there are complaints of formulate a long-term road policy: and irregularities in these farms; and (b) ~ so, the salient features thereof? (d) ij so, the corrective steps taken in this regard so far? MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT (SHRt K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL and (b). A paper on Transport Policy includ· SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MJRDHA): ing development of Roads covering the new (a) No, Sir. orientation to be given is being formulated.

(b) Does not arise. [ Translation]

(c) Yes, Sir. Crop Insurance Scheme for Vegetables and Fruits (d) The complaints are enquired into the necessary action taken. 6679. SH HARISH RAWAT: SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JAN· lEnglish1 ARDHANAN:

indian fishermen in Jails In Sri Lanka Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: 6677. SHRI R.N. RAKESH: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased (a) whether fruit and vegetable crops to state: are not covered under the Comprehensive Crop Insurance Scheme; (a, whether a number of Indian fishermen are languishing In jails In Sri Lankn. (b) rt so, the reasons therefor; and

(b) if so, the r.F.'3,'S t~prf-O'. (C) the alternative measures proposed t') be taken by Government to protect the (c) Since whel1 they ar~ In JaIls there: frUit and vegetable cu~ivators from natural and calamities? 137 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6. 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 138

THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND (a) and (b). Presently, only wheat, paddy COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF millets, oilseeds and pulses are covered AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): under the Comprehensive Crop Insurance (a) to (c). The Technology Mission on Scheme (CCIS). Since the Central and State Oilseeds (TMO) was set up by the Govt. of Government are Incurring losses In running India in 1986 to accelerate seH-reliance in the scheme even in respect of the crops edible oils. The immediate objective was to presently covered under the scheme it is not produce 16.5 million tonnes of oilseeds by proposed to cover fruit and vegetable crops the end of 1989-90 so as to cut down edible under the cels for time being. Besides. the oils import by half. Idea of the Government is to gain some more experience In respect of the crops presently The Mission seeks to increase the pro- covered under the Scheme duction of annual oilseed crops viz groundnut, rapeseed/mustard. castor, sesamum, (c) It is for the State Governments to linseed. niger, safflower, sunflower and take necessary preyentive me.asures to soybean and also plantation crops such as minimise the impact of natural calamities on coconut and oil palm. Exploitation of tissue the cu~ivators for all types of crops including culture techniques in coconut and oil palm fruits and vegetables. Prior to 31 March, has been included in the activities of Minis 1990, Central assistance was extended in Mission-I which addresses itseH to the im- the form of 'agricultural inputs subsidy' tor all provement of crop production technology types of crops includmg fruits and vege- and large scale propagation of high yielding tables at Rs.200/- per ha. for small and plant materials. marginal farmers whose crops were damaged more than 50%. However. from 1-4- Organisations for Fishermen's Welfare 1990 onwards, such assistance is to be provided directly-by the State Governments 6681. SHAr M.M. PAlLAM RAJU: Will through Calamity Relief funds required to the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased be set up with an allocated amount. to state:

[English] (a) the estimated number of fishermen families in the country and their average Crops Included Under Technology annual family income; Mission (b) the names of national organisations that have been formed to study the fisher- 6680. SHAI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: Will men's problem and contribute to their wet- the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased fare; and to state: (c) the specific responsibility of each (a) the names of crops for which Tech- such organisation? nology MiSSIon has been set up: THE MINISTER OF STATE tN THE (b) whether there IS any proposal to DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND extend It to coconut: and COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE .(SHRI NmsH KUMAR): (c) 11 so. the details thereof? (a) The information is being collected and 139 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written Answers 140 witl be laid on the Tabla of the Sabha. the Department and the proposal is under consideration of the Government. (b) Government have not established any national organisation to study the fisher- [English] men's problems and contribute to their welfare. Memorandum from Women Organisa- tions (c) Does not anse. 6683. SHRI Y.S. RAJA SEKHAR [ Translation] REDDY: Will the 'Minister of HOME AF- FAIRS be pleased to state: Recommendations of Sarin, Khosla and Agrawal Committees Reports (a) whether some Women's associa- tIons, women academicians and students 6682. SHRI HARI KEWAl PRASAD' have sent a memorandum calling for amend- Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be ments to the Criminal Procedure Code, In- pleased to state: dian Penal Code and Evidence Act to prevent escape by persons indulging in crtmes (a) whether Government have imple- against women; mented the recommendations of Sann Committee, 1980. Khosla Commrt1ee, 1986. (b) if so, the details thereof; and Agrawal Committee. 1987 tn respect of TechniciansfTechnical Supervisors in the (c) Government's reaction in this re- Department of TelecommunICations; gard?

(b) ~ so, when: and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI (c) if not. the reasons therefor? SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) to (C). A letter dated 22.12.89 has been received from certain Women's OrganisatIOns seeking THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE amendment of the law relating to punish- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI ment for the offence of rape to make it clear JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) to (c). The tnat while the Courts may award imprison- Sarin Committee In their 7th Report dated ment for less than the minimum term pre- 30.11.81 IndICated the need for rationalisa- scribed therein for exceptional reasons, for tion of the norl-1Jazetted cadre strudure with this purpose the character, reputation, status a view to cutting down the large number of or any asped of the conduct of the victim of superfluous cadres and to provide adequately rape shall have no relevance whatsoever. skilled personnel for the various types of The matter is engaging the attention of the JObs. The wort< of recommending actual Government of India in consultation wnh the restructuring was entrusted to Indian Insti- State Governments. tute of Management, Bangalore. This issue was considered by the 4th Central Pay A memorandum dated 8th march, 1990 Commission and its report has been imple- from Women's Organisations states int9r mented by the Government In 1986. There is a/iathat changes are reqUired in the criminal no committee named Khosla Committee on law relating to rape, bigamy, adultery I etc. this issue. The recommendations of the However I no Specific amendment has been Agarwal Committee have been mod~,ed by suggested. 141 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 142

[ Translation) ance Scheme (CeIS) financial assistance on matching basis in given by the Govern- eomprthenatv. Crop Insurance ment of India for constituting State Crop Schftme Insurance Funds (SCIF) which are responsible for administration of the scheme in the 6684. SHRIISHWAR CHAUDHARY: implementation States. Since most of the Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be implementing States have constituted their pleased to state: respective SCIF for which the Government of India have already released. ~s share, no (a) the Statewise assistance provide further assistance was, therefore, released under Comprehensive Crop Insurance to any State during 1989-90. However, an Scheme during 1989-90; and amount of Rs. 90 crore, being the 213 Central Share for payment of indemnity claims un- (b) the number 0' farmers covered derthe cels tor past seasons was releaseed under the scheme during 1989-90, by the Govemment of India to the General State-wise? Insurance Corporation of India (G'C) during 1989-90. THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVil SUPPLES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) Under the Comprehensive Crop Insur- (b) A Statement is attached

STATEMENT

SI. No. Name of the StatelU. T. Number of farmers covered under the Scheme during 1989-90·

2 3

1. Andhra Pradesh

2. Assam 4883

3. Bihar 190072

4 Goa 972

5. GUjarat 550865

6 Himachal Pradesh 5132

7. Jammu and Kashmir

8. Karnataka 194354

9 Kerala 23459

10. Manlpur 143 Written AnsW91S APRIL 26, 1990 Written AnsW8I'S 144

51. No. Name of the StatellJ. T. Number of fa""." covered under the Scheme during 1989-90·

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11. Meghalaya 2860

12. Madhya Pradesh 403877

13. Maharashtra 1385092

14. Orissa 261089

15. Rajasthan

16. Tripura 3551

17. Tamil Nadu 107348

18. Uttar Pradesh

19. West Bengal 371649

20. A & Islands 401

21. Delhi

22. Pondicherry 12

TOTAL 4226209-

-Data relates to Kharif 1989 season only.

[EnglIsh] (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

Rehabilitation of Entrepreneur. of (c) the steps taken by Government to Agro-Serv1ce Centres rehabilitate these entrepreneurs and the outcome thereof? 6685. SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINGH: Will t~e MinIster of AGRICULTURE be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF (a) whether the entrepreneurs of AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): Agro-Service Centres are sufferif'9 untold la) Surveys conduded by Government of hardships: India show that nearly 25% of the entrepre- 145 Writtpn Answers VAISAKHA 6.1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 146 neurs were not dOing well. Declaration of National Highways as Par Recommendations of NTPC (b) and (c) The Government of India filed a revised rehabilitation scheme for SICk 6687. SHRI KASHIRAM RANA: Will Agro ServICe Centres in the Supreme Court the Mintster of SURFACE TRANSPORT be in September. 1989. pleased to state:

Development of Reservoir Fisheries In (a) whether new National Highways are Karnataka declared as per the recommendations of the National Transport Pohcy Committee; 6686. SHRI H. C. SRIKANTAIAH: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased (b) d so, whether the roads declared as to state: National Highways during February 1980 were as per the recommendations of the (a) the amoLlnt provided by Union National Transport PolICY Committee; Government ior the development of Reser- vOir Fisheries Scheme In Karnataka. (c) whether the roads In Gujarat recommended by National Transport Policy Com- (b) the quantity of ftsh likely to be mittee have been declared as NatIOnal High- produced under the scheme. ways: and

(c) the number of fishermen hkely to be (d) rt IS, the details thereof? benefited. and THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- (d) the places selected 10 Karnataka PORT (SHRI K P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) LInder the Schamp? New NatIOnal Highways are declared In the country keeping In view the follOWing guide- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lines beSides the availability of resources, DEPARTMENT AGRICULTURE AND recommendation of National Transport Pol- COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF ICy Commtttee(NTPC) and proposals oi the AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): State Govemment- (a) An Integrated Cooperative ReservOir Fisheries Project has been taken up for i) roads which run through the length Implementation In Karnataka at an estimated and breadth of the country: cost of RsA 73.881akhs of which the Central assistance Includmg the share of the Na- il} roads connecting adjacent coun- tlol"lal Cooperative Development Corpora- tries; tion IS Rs 406.58 lakhs Ill) roads connecting State caprtals; (b) About 3500 tonnes of fish IS estimated to be produced annually on full Imple- IV) roads oonnecti.,g major ports and mentatIon of the scheme. Important industrtat or tourist centres: (c) 2510 flsl,ermen are likely to be benefited. v) roads meeting very Important stra- tegIC requirements: (d) The scheme Will be Implemented In 11 Talukas of My~')re distrICt VI) roads carrying high density of traf- 147 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written Answers 148

fic over an adequate length: and schemes and the reasons therefor?

vii) roads which will enable sizeable THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE reduction in travel distance and MINISTRV OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI achievement of substantial econ- SUBODH KANT SAHAV): (a) and (b). Ac- omy thereby. cording to information available, the Govern- ment of Punjab have drawn up a scheme (b) Presumably, the Hon'ble member is which would provide employment to youth in having in mind the five State Roads declared the age group of 15 to 20 years from the as National Highways in February, 1989. border belt of 16 Kms. in the border district of Out of these, tour roads were identified by Gurdaspur, Ferozepur and Amritsar. The the National Transport Policy Committee tor selected persons would be paid ration money declaration as National HlQhways. and pocket allowances and kept in camps and given training. Efforts would be made to (c) and (d). National Transport Policy absorb them in the police. Hom&-9uards or Committee recommended three State Roads other Government jobs subsequently or whICh serve Gujarat State for declaration as provided with assistance to set up their own National Highways. One of these roads small units. namely Beawar-Slrohl-Radhanpur Road. part of which falls in GUJarat State. has (c) and (d). Information in this regard is already been declared as Natronal Highway. being collected. Othertwo roads Identifies by National Trans- port Policy Committee for this State could rTrans/arion 1 not be Included in National Highway grid because of col'lstraints of resources and Enhancement of Compensation Given other Priority considerations. to Families of Road Accident Victims

Scheme for Providing Employment to 6689. SHAI BALESHWAA YADAV: Youtlts in Punjab Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased to state: 6688. SHRI KIRPAl SINGH: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to (a) whether Government are consider- state' Ing to enhance the amount of compensation given to the families of persons killed and (a) whether Government rave pre- InJu'red in road aCCIdents; pared special schemes for prOViding employment to the youths In Punjab with a view (b) If so, the time by which It IS likely to to eliminating terrortsm: be enhanced and the extent of enhancement: and (b) If so. the details of the schemes prepared dunng the last three years: (c) ij not, the reasons therefor?

(c) the f1u'l,bc r of educated youths who we'e gIVen employment dUring the penod: THE MINISTER OF SURF ACE TRANS- and PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) No. Sir. (d) the number 01 those who applied but COlJld not get employment under these (b) and (c). Do not anse. 149 Wrlrten Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 150

[English) NA TH veRMA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. Where the Village PanchayatIPanchayats are not in Lo .. to Shlp-Ownera Due to Holding existence. their (Village PanchayatIPan- 'Up of Shipe 81 Porte chayats) share of funds will be passed on to the concerned Block/Block Samiti who will 6690. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: Will be responsible for implementing the Jawahar the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be Rozgar Yojana in those PanchayatlPan- pleased to state: chayats.

(a) whether cargo ships are being held [Translation] up at the ports due to shortage of certHicated officers consequently increasing shipown- HaJ Nlves ers' operating costs; and 6692. SHAI ASHOK ANANDRAO (b) if so, the quantum of losses being DESHMUKH: Will the Minister of EXTEA- Incurred by them on this account? NAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF SURF ACE TRANS- (a) whether 'Haj Nivas' have been PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) constructed in Delhi and Bombay for Haj and (b). The IndIan National Shipowners pilgrims; and Association has estimated the total number of ship days lost by Indian shIpowners for (b) ~ so, the share of Union Govern- want of certificated off~ers to be around 335 ment in the construction of these Haj Nlvas? during the period from July ~ 989 to January 1990. The average loss per ship day on THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- account of standing charges has been esti- FAIRS (SHAt I.K. GUJRAL): (a) and (b). The mated by Indian National Shipowners Asso- construction work of MBait-ul-Hujaj" or :HaJ ciation at around Rs. 1 lakh. House" in Bombay is nearing completion. The Central Government did not provide any Entrusting of Work of Village Pan- financial assistance in its construction. Infor- chayat to Taluka Panchayat Under JAY mation on the part of the question relatmg to "Ha, Nivas" in Delhi is being collected. 6691. SHRI HARIN PATHAK: Willthe Minister of AGRICUl TURE be pleased to [English] state' Exemption of Telephone Services from (a) whether a flexibility is given to the the Ambit of Consumers' Protection State Governments or to DRDA,to entrust Act, 1986 the work of the Village Panchayats to the Taluka Panchayats if the Village Panchayat 6693. SHRt K.S. RAO: is not in a posit\cn to take up the work under SHRl P.C. THOMAS: Jawahar Rozgar Yojana; and Willthe Minister of COMMUNICATIONS (b) if not, the reasons therefor? be pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR (a) whether the Department of Tele- RURAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS· communications has any proposal to seek TRY OF AGRlCUL TUAE (SHAI UPENDAA exemption of telephone services from the '51 Written AnswelS APRIL 26. 1990 Written Ans"" 152 ambit of the Consuh'lers' Protedion Ad, in a telephone diradory; 1986; (ii) Pubfic grievances calls in large (b) if so, the reasons that weighed in offices; favour of seeking such exemption'; (iii) over 400 Customer Service (c) whether this would not be regarded Centres throughout the coun- as antkonsumer measures: and try;

(d) if not. the forum that will be available (iv) Telephone Adalats and Open to the telephone subscribers for redressal of House Sessions; their grievances? (v) Officers of the Department meet THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the public normally on all work- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI ing days; JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir, (vi) Telecom Advisory Committee, (b) The reasons for seeking such an which have representation from exemptIOn are as follows: 'Iarious public forums;

(i) Elaborate grievances redressal (vii) provision exists for arbitration machinaries already exist within in disputes between the sub- the Department of, Telecom- scriber and the Department munications, someofwhich are under Section 7(b) of the Indian given In the answerto part (d) of Telegraph Act. this question, Expansion of Telephone Exchange. In (ii) Certain anomalies eXIst be- KoHayam District In Kera .. tween the Consumer Protec- tion Act and the Indian Tele- 6694. SHRIRAMESHCHENNITHALA: graph Act. Will the Minister of COMMUNICATION S be pleased to state: (c) No, SIr. (a) whether there is any proposal to (d) For redressal of the grievances. the expand Ramapuram, Erattupefta Mun- subscribers, have a number of grievance dakayam. exchanges in Konayam Tetephene redressal machineries at several levels, district, Kerala; and Some of the forums where a subscriber can make his complaint and get the redressal of (b) if so, the details thereof? his grievances are given below: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (i) In case of services compl~lnts, MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI the subscriber can dial '198' or JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. any of the offiCIals/offICers of the Department, normally listed (b) The details are as follows: 153 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 154

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( Translation] THE MIN.ISTER OF STATE OF n.E MtNISTRYOF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRt Waiting List for Telephone Connections JANESHWAA MISHRA): (a) and (b). The In MlharasMra recommendations involve a basic restructuring of Supervisory levels in the Depart- 6695. SHRI KISANRAO BABURAO ment in-so-far as a partial direct recruit- BANKHElE: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- ment to the cadres of Inspectors of Post CATIONS be pleased to state: OfficeslRailway Mail Service has been proposed, as also integration of the two (a) the distrid-wise and exchange- cadres to be followed by a revision of the wise number of applications in waiting list for pay scales. The Department has' formu- telephone connectIons in Maharashtra as on lated necessary proposals in this regard 31st March. 1990: and and the process of consultation with other concerned Mir:tistries/Departments is going (b) the details in regard to measures on. It is not practicable to state at this stage adopted to increased the capac~y of tele- when the recommendations are likely to be phone exchanges to dispose of all pending implemented. applications?

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE [ Translation] MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) and (b). The Post Offices In Rural Areas of UnnlO information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. 6697. SHRI ANWAR AHMAD: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased [English] to state:

Revision of Pay Scales 0' Inspector and (a) whether Government propose to Assistant Superintendent in Depart- open post offices in the rural areas of Unnao ment 0' Posts district during 1990-91;

6696. SHRI MADAN LAl KHURANA: (b) nso, the names of villages ident~ied SHRI MANIK SANYAl: for this purpose; and

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- (c) ~ not. the reasons therefor? TIONS be pleased to state:

(a) whelher despite lapse of 3 years, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the recommendations (para 10.44) of Fourth MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHAt Central Pay Commission in the matter of JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) At present Revision of Pay Scales of Inspectors and there are no proposals under considera- Asstt. Superintendents' in the Department tion. of Posts have not yet been implemented by Government, and (b) Does not arise.

(b) Hso, when the implementation is to (c) The norms for opening of new post take effect? offices are presently under review. 157 Wr~.n AnswelS VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnswetS 158

[Engllsh1 (d) d not, the steps taken to check arbitrary enhancement of fares? PtacI. to be Connected by STA Permit au ... THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT (SHRt K P UNNIKRISHNAN) (a)to 6698 SHRI PRATAPRAO B (d) State Transport Authority, Delh~ has BHOSAlE Will the MinISter of SURFACE approved the reVIsed fares applteable w e f TRANSPORT be ploased to state 2 4 90 for the Stage Carnage Buses under STA Permit (MIni Buses) In the Union Ter- (a) whether the Government propose to ritory of Deihl as follows - provide bus service under STA to more localrtl8s of Deihl dUring 1990 and 1991, Kms ReVised fares

(b) d so, the places selected, year-wise, 2 and As 0 75 (c) If not, the reasons therefor? 6-16 Rs 1 50 THE MIN ISTEA OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT (SHRI K P UNNIKRI5HNAN) (a) '6 and above Rs 2 00 The Deihl Administration has stated that there IS no such proposal under 5T A Development and Maintenance of National Highways In Andhra Pradesh (b) Does not anse 6700 SHRIMATI CHENNUPATI (c) The Deihl Administration has sug- VIDYA Will the Minister of SURFACE gested notdlcatlon of entire Union Terntory TRAN SPORT be pleased to state the details of Deihl for area Stage Carnage Permits for of the schemes for development and mamte- OTe and no ftnal deCISion In thiS regard has nance of NatIonal HIghways approved for been taken Imp\emen\a\\o(\ cl\ln(\~ \~~f::l-~\ \.~ ~~~~'\<... Pradesh alongwtth the allocatIOns made therefor? Increase In Mint Bus Fares THE MINfsTER OF SURFACE TAANS- 6699 SHRI SUBEOAR Will the Min- PORT (SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN) An Isterof SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased allocation of Rs 25 crores has been made to state dunng the year' 990-91 for development of NatIonal Htghways In Andhra Pradesh in- (a) whether Mmt buses plytng tn Deihl cluding ongoing works New schemes pro- have Increased fares from 1 April 1990 Jected In the Annual Plan for 1990-91 are as indicated In the statement attached As re- (b) If so detaIls thereof gardsmalntenance,asumofRs 10 25crores has been allocated for 1990-91, whICh in- (c) whether Deihl Admlntstratlon has cludes Rs 4 95 erores tor panocheal renew- approved the proposal and als 159 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written Answers 160

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Road OVerbridge aetween Bhubaneshe appropriate revisions on the basis of user war and Berhampur on National Hlgh- requirements. Efforts will be made to ensure way No.5 that the work is executed expeditiously so that the Passport Office can shift without 6701. SHRI A.N. SINGH OED: Willthe delay. Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pieased to state: Delay In Delivery of Telegrams

(a) whether there is a proposal to ron- 6703. SHRI D. PANDIAN: struct road overbridge in place at Railway SHRI DILIP SINGH JU DEO: level crossing between Bhubaneshwar and Berhampur on National Highway NO.5: and Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- TIONS be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof? (a) whether there are widespread THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- complaints about the inordinate delay in the PORT (SHAI KP. UNNIKAISHNAN): (a) delivery of the Telegram and letters; and (b). Yes, Sir. There is a proposal to construct a road over bridge about 56 metres (b) whether Government propose to long on Rambha byepass In place of the find out the causes for the delay and take railway level crossing at Km 297.150 on steps for the speedy delivery of the posted National Highway NO.5 for which provIsion material; and of Rs. 60.00 lakhs has been made In the Annual Plan 1990-91. (c) whether Govemment propose to regularise the services of the deliverymen Construction of New Passport office and also recruit more staff to remove the Building at Callcut delay?

6702. SHRI K. MURALEEDHARAN: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI pleased to state: JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) The Depart- ment of Telecommunications is aware that (a) whether Government have acquired there are occasIons when telegrams are some land In Cahcut for construction of the delivered late, giving rise to complaints. passport office building; Complaints about delay In delivery of mails are occasionaffy received by the Depart- (b) if so, the reasons for delay in starting ment of Posts. Immediate enquiries are made the ronstruction work; and and wherever necessary, authorities concerned are advised to take remedial meas- (c) when Government propose to ures as necvssary. complete this war'< and shift the office from the present rented building? . (b) The causes for delay in delivery of telegrams have been analysed by Depart- THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- ment of Telecommunications and, briefly, FAIRS (SHRt '.K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, Sir. the causes are:-

(b) and (c). The construction drawings (1) delays due to transmission of have been examined and approved after telegrams through a number of 189 Written AnsWB" VAISAKHA6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 170

intermediate offices between extra..cJepartmental employees in semi-ur- the office of origin and office of ban/rural areas. The question of regularisa- destination; tion does not arise in either of these cases. However, to the extent that casual labourers (2) unreliable open wire line; were engaged for such work, a scheme has already been taken up to grant them tempo- (3) frequent power failures; rary status.

(4) far-flung delivery areas. Flood Affected Villages In Hoshlarpur District of Punjab The following are the remedial actions in~iated already:- 6704. SHRI SARJU PRASAD SA'ROJ: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be (1) Introduction of pleased to refer to the reply given on 20th Store-and-Forward Switch ing July, 1989 to Unstarred Question No. 447 Systems in the Telegraph Net- regarding Central assistance to flood af- work to reduce manual transmit- fected areas of Punjab and state: ting telegrams: (a) whether the Central team had vis- (2) Gradual introductIon of Satellite ited In 1988 the flood affected villages of and wireless media; BadIa, Harta and Rajpur Bhayan in district Hoshiarpur of Punjab and assured the in- (3) Use of Mopeds for delivery of tele- habitants the assistance for clearing their grams. land of 5-10 feet thick layer of sand to make the land cultIVable; In addition, ElectronIC Teleprinters and Electronic keyboards are being introduced (b) ~ so, the total area rendered uncul- in the telegraph network to ensure more tlvable and the number of persons who were reliable telegraph servICes. rendered unemployed;

The Department of Posts has prescribed (c) the total area cleared of this sand; norms for delivery of letters. These norms are based on distance, transportation out- (d) the area still to the cleared; lets available and the number of handlings each article requires. Mail movement is (e) the number of bulldozers deployed constantly monitored and corrective action for this purpose; and taken for any deViation observed. (f) the time by which the entire area is (c) In the Department of Telecommuni- likely to be deared to make the land culti- cations adequate number of Telegraphmen vable? have been sanctioned on the baSIS of norms prescribed for delivery of telegrams. The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE delivery staff of Departmental Telegraph DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND Offices are regular employees. There IS no COOPERATION IN THE MINISmV OF proposal to recruit more Telegraphmen for AGRICUL TURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): the purpose. In the Department of Posts, (a) and (b). A Central Team in 1988 vis~ad generally, delivery work IS performed by some of the flood affected villages in Hoshi- departmental employees in urban areas and arpur Distrid of Punjab to make an assess- 171 Written AnswetS APRil 26, 1990 Written AnIMNS 172

ment of the damage caused to agricultural Badia. Harta and Raj)ur Bhayan and the land bY sandcasting. As reported by the number of persons rendered unemployed is State Government. the total agricultural land as under:- affected by sandcasting in the villages of

SJ.No. Village AIH affected Persons rendMld unemployed (in ha.)

2 3 4

1. Badia 125 80

2. Harta 28 19 ~ 3. Rajpur Bhayan

However, the depth of sand varied from 2 (b) the progress made at each institute inches to 4 ft an

6705. SHRIMATI SUBHASHINI AU' (v) Central Tobacco Research Insti- Will the Minister of AGAICUL TURE be tute, Rajahmundry. pjeased to state: (vi) Osmania University. Hyderabad. (a) the names of the institutions and ~ Wlere research on Neem has been (b) The major achievements are as ~ in the country; follows:- 173 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 174

(i) Identification and isolation of Posting; and biologically active compounds from neem for their explo~ation (b) if so, its broad features? forcontrolof insects, namatodes and plant diseases. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (ii) Neems role in insect pest man- JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) No, Sir. Post- agement has been well estab- ing of a postal article under Certificate of lished. Several effective ex- posting does not render it different from an tracts/fractions and pure prod- unregistered article posted in the letter box, ucts have been screened except thai the Certfficate of Posting serves against a large number of pests as evidence of posting. Its delivery is therefore like that of any other unregistered postal (Iii) Stabl~ and economical formu- article. latlo'1s for use under Indian conditions have been devel- (b) Does not arise oped Entering of Burmese Army into The research on Nepm is bemg under- Mlzoram taken as an Integral part of the research programmes of these institutions and no 6708 SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN- separate allocations have been madp spe- DAL: cifically for research on Neem. SHRISHIV SHARANVARMA:

(c) A number of National and Interna- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be tional symposia/seminars have been organ- pleased to state: Ized to review the neem research and the possibility of utlhzatlon at neem products In (a) whether 10 Burmese Army person- pest management strategies nel entered some villages In M,zoram on the 28th March, 1990 and opened fire: Evaluation of Neem products against varIOUS agncultural pests IS an integral part (b) whether earher too, the Burmese of neem rese~rch and development It has Army personnel entered Indian Territory; been found eHective against some malor pests. Such as He/loth/s, Spodoptera, white (c) if so, the precautionary measures fly and a number of stored gram pests. taken to prevent such intrusion by the Bur- mese Army Into the Indian SOil; and Delivery of Articles Sent Under Certifi- cate of Posting (d) whether the matter has been taken up with the Burmese Government and if so, 6706 SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: Its reaction thereto? Will the Minis1er of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI (a) whether any special organism or SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) Yes, Sir. mechanism has been or is being proposed to be created 10 ensure the delivery of the (b) Yes, Sir. 4 Burmese Army personnel artICles to be posted under Certificate of had earlier entered into Indian Territory on 175 Written AnswelS APRil 26, 1990 Written Answets 176

17th March, j 990. (a) wnether any request nas been received from the Kerala Government for (c) In connection with the incident of assistance for projects for providing drinking 28th March, 1990 the Home Minister of water facilities in the districts of Cannanore, Mizoram visited the place of incident on Kasargod, Waynad and Calicut; 30.3.1990 to take stock of the situation. Standing patrols of Assam Rifles have been (b) if so, the details thereof; and d&tailed to patrol the area. Flag meetings were also held in connection with the above (c) the reaction of Union Government incidents on March '21 and April 18, 1990 thereto? respectively. The Burmese Army personnel regretted crossing over the Indian border and assured prevention of recurrence of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE such instances. DEPARTMENT OF RURAL DEVELOP- MENT IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL- (d) • The matter was taken up by the TURE (SHRI UPENDRA NATH VERMA): Ministry of External Affairs with the Burmese (a) No such request has been received from Ambassador in New Delhi and the Ambas- the Kerala Government. However, under the sador has promised to convey our unhappi- Centrally Sponsored Accelerated Rural ness at such Incident to his Government. Water Supply Programme, rural water supply schemes for providing safe drinking water Central Assistance to Kerala for DrInk- facilities In the districts of Cannanore and ing Water Facilities Calicut have been received by the Union Government for technical clearance. 6709. SHRI MUlLAPPAllY RAMA- CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of (b) The details of the schemes are as AGRICUl TURE be pleased to state: given below:

District No.of Population benefitted Estimated cost villages (1981 census) (Rs. in lakh)

2 3 4

Cannanore 6 54996 353.92

Calicut 200n 64.00

(c) The scheme for Cannanore district . to state: has been technICally approved by the Gov- ernment of India while the scheme for Cali- (a) the details of agricultural products, cut district is under technical scrutiny quantity-wise exported and imported by NAFEO during 1988-89 and 1989-90; [Translation1 (b) whether NAFED are exporting Export and Import by NAFED pulses, onion fruit and vegetables after making local purchases; 6710. SHRI CHHABJRAM ARGAl: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased (c) Hso, the target fixed for the current 177 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 178 year and the names of the places where THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE purchase centres havp been spt Up OEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF (d) whether NAFED proposed to set up AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR) a purchase centre In dIstrict Bhtnd for pur (a) CommodIty wIse fIgures of export and chase of lentil and onIon and Import by NAFED dunng 1988 89 and 1989 (e) If so the detaIls 1hereof 90 are given below 179 Wrilfen Answers APRil 26. 1990 Written Ansftl'S 180

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(b) Export of onion, fresh fruits and (c) Targets for export of onions and vegetable is made after making purchases, fresh fruits and vegetables during 1990-91 loCally through the cooperative societies who are given below: are member of NAFED. Export of Indian pulses is, however, not allowed.

51. No. Commodity Quantity

2 3

1. OnIOn 3.80 lakhs MTs

2. Fresh fruits & vegetables 550 MTs.

Purchase are made In open auction out lottenes run by them: of mandl amvals through the State Coopera- tive Marketing Federations, who, Inturn in- (b) ~ so, the details thereof; volve the Primary Marketing Societies located in various mandles In India. Purchase (c) whether those directives are still in centres are identified at the time of harvest force and being followed; depending upon the marketable surplus and Importerrs preference for quality. For Price (d) if not, the reasons therefor; and Support Scheme/Market Intervention Scheme operations, additional centres are (e) the further action contemplated in also opened to procure the stocks this regard?

(d) There IS no such proposal THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (fo) Tre question does not arise. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) and (b). Union Government had issued guidelines in June Regulation of State Lotteries 1984 to all State Governments wnh a view to regulating the lotteries run by them. A copy 6711. SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHAR· of the same is given in the enclosed state- GAVA: Will the Minister of HOME AFF AIRS ment. be pleased to state:

(a) whether Union Government had (c) to (e) The guidelines are still in force Issued any directive- to State Governments and it IS for the State Governments to adhere In June 1984 with a view to regulrtte the to them. 187 Written Answers APRil 26, 1990 Written Answers 188

STATEMENT

MOST IMMEDIATE

No. V. 2101'117183-GPA.IV

Government of India/Bharat Sarkar

Ministry of Home AffairslGrih Mantralaya

New Delhi-11 0001, the26/27thJune, 1984 To.

The Chief Secretaries, All State Government/Union Territory Administrations.

SUbject: Guidelines for the conduct of State lotteries and lotteries perm~ted by the State GovernmentslUnion Territory Administrations.

Sir,

I am directed to say that the lotteries/raffles organised by the Central Government and the State Governments are covered by item 40 of the Union list in The Seventh Schedule to the Constitution. The State Governments have been authorised by the Government of India in the past to run State lotteries for augmenting their financial reso:.;rces for developmental purposes. It is seen that the prize structure, the price of the lottery ticket, the periodicity of draws, the commission paid to agents and other features vary considerably from State to State.

2. Of late, there ha.s been criticism about some aspects of the lottery schemes. Com- plaints of malpractices have been received and unhealthy competition amongst the various State lotteries has been reported. The matter has been carefully examined by the Central Government. It is considered necessary to bring about some uniformity and to curb the scope of mal-practices in the running of lotteries. With this end in view the following broad guidelines have been formulated:

(1) Weekly lotteries

(a) The ceiling on the first prize may be Rs. 1 lakh. There may be a separate prize for each series.

(b) The maximum price for one ticket may be fixed Rs. 1/-

Note:There may be no lotteries with draws at intervals of less than a week. 189 Written Answers' VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 190 (2) Bumper draws:

(a) The ceilin~ on the first prize may be fixed at As. 25 lakhs.

(b) The first prize may be made common to all series.

(c) The ma)(imum price of a ticket may not exceed Rs. 3/-

(d) Any draw other than a weekly draw may be treated as a bumper draw for the above purpose.

(e) The maximum number of bumper draws in a year may be twelve.

(3) Total outgo of prizes;

The total value of pnzes to be paid for each draw should not be less than 50"'/" of the gross value of the tickets printed for sale.

(4) Minimum revenue accruing from lottery:

The net profIt accruing from the lottery may atleast 15% of the gross value of the tickets pnnted for sale

(5) The printIng of tickets should be got done by the 'Government.

(6) The draws for the ptizes should also'be conducted under the direct supervision and control of the Government In the presence of responsible Government offiCials,

(7) The payments of all prizes, as far as possible should be made by the Government directly: prizes above the value of Rs. 10,0001- and above should invariably be paid by the Gll)vernment directly,

(8) Contracls already signed by the State Governments/UT·Administrations III"'" private organising agents/sole selling agents, which are not in accordanc6 '~h the above guidelines may be reviewed by the State GovernmentslUT Admini- strations concerned keeping in view of the legal implications.

3. The State Governments/Union Territory Administrations are advisAd to observe ~he above guidelines while conducting the State Lotteries

4. Some State Governmentsl Union Territory Administrations may have permitted certain private organisations or individuals to organise lotteries under the powers ~nferred by Item 34 of the State List of the Seventh Schedule to the Constitution. h is requested that the State GovernmentlUnion Territory Administrations may keep in view the above guidelines while determining the conditions subject to which such private lotteries are authorised.

5. The receipt of this letter may be acknowledged. The action taken in the matter may also 191 Written AnsIMS APRIL 26, 1990 Written Answets 112 be intimated to this Ministry.

Yours faithfully,

SdI- (P. N. NARAYANAN)

DEPUTY SECRETARY TO THE GOVERNMENT OFINDIA

No. V12101117183-GPA IV, New Delhi, dated the June, 1984

Copy to:

1. Secretaries, Department of Finance, All State ~vernments/Union Territory Administrations.

2. Directors of lotteries. All State Government$IUnion Territory Administrations.

Copy also to:

3. Secretaries All MinIstries and Departments of the Government of India.

4. All Divisions of MInistry of Home Affairs (with the request to follow the a Ive gu~.

Sd/-

(P.N. NARAYANAN)

DEPUTY SECRETARY TO THE GOVERNMENT OFINDIA

(Eng/ish) THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRJSHNA",: (a) Motel Facilitle. Along National and (b). Presumably the Hon'ble Member is .. Highway. referring to this Ministry's sche-ne for providing passenger oriented wayside amenities 6712. SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMA- along National HighWays. Under this scheme, CHANDRAN: Witl the Minister of SUR- as a . long-term policy, such amenities are FACE TRANSPORT De pleased to state: envisaged to be created every 100 kma or so on high traffic density corridors of National Highways where following facH~ies would be (a) whether Government have provided provided: or propose to provide Motel facilities along the National Highways in the South: and (i) Parking Io1s (iij Snack barlRestau- rant (iii) Toilets (iv) Drinking water (v) Dor- (b) if so, the details thereof? mitorieslAest rooms for short stay (vi) First 193 \ Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 194 \ I aid (vii Telephone booths (viti) Petrol Pump (c) whether OlC propose to issue for and inor repair shop (optional) (IX) Kiosks strict compliance necessary instructions to f sale of miscellaneous/Sundry ~ems (x) the crew members to pick up passengers Jandscaping. while plying empty buses from shed to destination and vice-versa; and Awayside facility has been provided at Palghat on NH 47 in Kerala by the State (d) if so, the details thereof? Tourism Department. Wayside amenities at Palamanger on NH 4," Andhra Pradesh and THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Satturon NH 7 in Tamil Nadu have also been PORT (SHAI KP. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) sanct;oned. and (b). DTe operates buses from depot to the starting point/destination and vice-versa News Item Captioned "Pitroda's Million- on bus routes and ihe kilometres on account Dollar Link" of such tnps are essential features of OTC operations. No assessment has been made 6713. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: of such plymg on which revenues are not Will the Minister of COMMUN ICATIONS be earned. pleased to state (c) and (d). Instructions have already (a) whether his attention has been been Issued by the OTC that the bus crew Invited to the news Ilem captioned" Pnroda's should display the destInation boards, stcp million-dollar !Ink" appeanng tn the SUN- the bus at bus-stops and pICk up the passen- DAY MAil', Delhi dated 1st Apn11990; gers while going from depots to the starting point/destination and vice-versa. These in- (b) If so, the facts of the matter is structions are repeated from time to time and gathered by his MInistry, and are also announced on public address system in the depots for Information and strict (c) the reaction of Government thereto? compliance by the staff. The checking staff have also been instructed to exercise neces- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE sary checks with a view to curbing any viola- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI tIOn of these instructions JANESHWAR MISHRA)' (a) Yes, Sir, Import Policy for Seeds

(b) and (c), The matter IS looked mto. 6715. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to Dead Mileage of OTC Buses state:

6714. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: (a) whether Government propose to Will the Mintster of SURFACE TRANS- have a critical review of Import policy for seeds and if so, the details thereof; PORT be pleased to state:

(b) the number of leading industrial (a) whether any assessment has been companies Including Multi-nationals which rr.ads for the dally dead mileage involved In entered in the field of sees production and the empty plYing of OlC buses from shed to imports during the last three years; destination and vice-versa:

(c) the quantity and value of seeds (b) if so, the details thereof: 195 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written AnswtS 196

Imported dUring the last three years, year- (e) Question does not arise. wise; Allocation of Fund. to State. Under (d) whether any complaInts have been NREP received in regard to the quality of seeds imported; and 6716. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to (e) If so, the details thereof and the state: action taken against the parties Involved? (a) the amount of funds and quantity of THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL foodgrains allocated and released to M.ahar- SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): ashtra under the NREP and other Centrally (a) Review under the New Policy on Seed sponsored/Central sector schemes during Development, IS a continuous process. A 1988-89 and 1989-90, scheme-wise; hrgh level ReView Committee, monitors the Implementation of the policy from time to (b) the details of the progress achieved time. by broad-norms/indicators of assessment;

(b) Seed IS not a Scheduled Industry (c) the tentative allocation of tunes under the Industries (Development and under these schemes for Maharashtt:a dur- Regulation) Act, 1951-and thus licensing is ing 1990-91: and not reqUired. Only MRTP/FERA Companies require pllor approval for taking up the pro- (d) the details of modifications/introduction and marketing of seeds. Seven MRTP duction of new schemes proposed/envis- and two FERA Companies have obtained aged? the approval so far.

(c) The data pertaining to import, in- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cluding of seeds are published in the Monthly DEPARTMENT OF RURAL DEVELOP- Statistics of Foreign Trade of India Vol. II MENT IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL- Imports. brought out by Directorate General TURE (SHRI UPENDRA NATH VERMA): of Comme,rclal Intelligence and Statistics. (a) to (c). A Statement is attached. The latest publications pertain to the year 1987-88. Durrng 1988-89 and 1989-90- (d) The Finance Minister in his budget 16.623.43 kgs. and 82.803.22 kgs. seeds of speech for the year 1990-91 proposed an various crops Including vegetables and flow- Employment Guarantee Scheme for the ers coarse cereals and pulses were im- Drought Prone Areas and areas with acute ported, respectively. The value of the seed is problem of rural unemployment in ident~ied yet te;) be published. areas of the country. Work relating to finali- satlon of details of the said scheme is in (d) No, Sir. progress. 197 Wtltfen Answers VAISAKHA6, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnsW9B 198

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6717. SHRI RAMESHWAR PRASAD: Win the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CI'Jll pleased to state: SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a)and(b). Yes, Sir. Theproposalforrenova- (a) the total number of Para-military tion of the existing Ammonium Nitrate Plant forces sent to Bihar by Union Government at Sindri was cleared by the Board of Direc- ~~ring the last three years; tors of the Fertilizer Corporation of India on 22.2.90 for increasing (he capacity frol'n 30 (b) the purpose for which these forces TPD to 55 TPD at an estimated cost of Rs. were sent there: 390/- lakhs. Action for preliminary work for effecting the modification has been inrtiated. (c) the monthly expenditure being incurred thereon by the Union Government [ Trans/ation] and State Government respectively; and

(d) when Government propose to with- Business of Blue Films In Deihl draw these forces? 6719. DR. BENGALI SINGH: Will the THE MINISTER Of StATE IN THE Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI state: SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) to (d). Central para-military forces are provided to the States (a) whether the business of Blue Films on their request. subject to availability, to is flourishing in Delhi: and meeUhe !aw and order situations. The duration of their deployment depends on the (b) if so, the numbner of cases that prevamng situation. came to the notice of Government; and

The expenditure on such deployment, (c) the action taken against the persons is met by the Centre and the State Govern- involved in this business? ments, a9 per the approved scheme.

[English] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Renovation of EXisting Ammonium SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) Some cases Nitrate Plant at Slndrl of possession and hiring of blue films have come to notice. 6718. SHRI A.K:ROY: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (b) and (c). In year 1989,22 cases were (a) whether a scheme for renovating reported in which 25 persons were arrested,. existing ammonium nitrate plant at Sindri while in the year 1990 (upto 31.3. 90) 17 has been cleared by the Fertilizer Corpora- cases were reported in which 21 persons tion of India; and were arrested. 209 Written·Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Ans_1S 210

Prisoners Died In nhar 4111 (b) n, the details thereof and decision taken thereon? 6720. DR. BENGALI SINGH: SHAI SHEO SHARAN THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE VARMA: MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SUBODH ·KANT SAHAY): (a) and (b). Ves, Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Sir. The ordinance is engaging the attention pleased to state: of the Government of India.

(a) the number of prisoners who died in Embezzlement of IRDP Funds Tihar Jail, Delhi during the last three months; 6722. SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMA- (b) whether any inquiry was conducted CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of AGRICUL· to ascertain the causes of such deaths; TURE be pleased to state:

(c) if so, the details thereof; and (a) whether Government have received reports of embezzlement of Integrated Rural (d) a not, the reasons therefor? DevelopmentProgrammefundsduring 1989- 90: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI (b) H so, the details of reported IROP SUBODH KANT SAHA Y): (a) During the last funds embezzled; 3 months, i.e. Januaty-March 1990,4 prisoners died. (c) whether Government have made any study to determine the problems of af- (b) to (d). Inquest proceedings have fectively implementing the Integrated Rural been in~iated in all these cases Development Programme; and

[English] (d) if so, the details of findings and steps taken or proposed to be taken to overcome Gujarat Public Works contracts Dis- these problems? putes Arbitration Tribunal Ordinance, 1989 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT Of RURAL DEVELOP- 6721. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO MENT IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL- BRAHMBHATI: TURE (SHRI UPENDRA NATH VERMA): SHRI N.J. RATHWA: (a) Of the twenty States and U.Ts who have sent information on cases of corruption, mal- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRSbe practice and mis-utilisation under Integrated Rural Development Programme (IRDP)from pleased to state: April to December I 1989, five States have reported receiving such complaints. (a) whether Government of GUJarat (b) Number of complaints received in forwarded the Gujarat Public Works Con- tracts Disputes Arbitration Tribunal Ordi- these five States is: Haryana 38, Madhya nance, 1989 to Union Government for ob- Pradesh 227, West 8engal199, Kerala 241 taining previous instructions of the President and Rajasthan 237. The State Govemments are taking action in these cases. as required und$r the Constitution; and 211 Written Answers APRIL 26. 1990 Wnlten AnswetJ 212

, (c) and (d). The implementation of the assistance (subsidy and credit) Integrated Rural Development Programme suffICient for acquiring the asset. (IRDP) is evaluated through research studies and concurrent evaluation studies spon- 4. In 73"0 cases, the assets were sored by this Department. During the Sixth found intact. The assets were not -Plan, major evaluation studies were carried intact in 3% cases due to unex- out by Reserve Bank of India (RBI). National pected events like deaths, in 6% Bank for Agricutture and Rural Development cases on account of inadequate (NABARD). Programme Evaluation Organi- income gene_ion ancl in the re- sation (PEO). Institute of Financial Manage- maining 18% cases, the assets ment and Aesearch (fFMA). Department of were not intact because of other Aural Development also have a monthly reasons. concurrent evaluation on IRDP since Octo- ber, 1985. The 3rd round of Concurrent 5. About 37% of the sample families Evaluation Study has been started from had no overdue and 30% families January, 1989. The main findings of COncur- had overdues less than Rs. 1000. rent Evaluation of IRDP for January, 1989 to This compares well with the NA- June, 1989 is given in Statement .. l. BARD study (1985) of recovery under IRDP at 69%. On the basis of main findings of Re- search Studies and Concurrent Evaluation 6. The assets had generated incre- Studies, number of steps have been taken to mental income of more than Rs. improve the Implementation of IFlOP. Major 2000 in 43% cases. The incre- steps taken to improve the implementation mental income was between Rs. of tROP is given at Statement-II. 1001 to Rs. 2000 in 1B% cases and between As. 501 to As. 1000 in STATEMENT·I 10% cases.

Main Findings of the 3rd Round of Concur- 7. Altha nationallevel, 78% old bene- rent Evaluation Study of January .June ficiaries had crossed that income 1989. level of As. 3500 and 28% old beneficiaries, the revised poverty Positive Points: line of As. 6400.

1. AccordIng to the annual income Areas of Concem: assessment made by the investi- gators, about 10% of the assisted 1. The selection of ineligible families families belong to the destitute had been high as 12% of families group, 37% to the very very poor assisted had annual income be- group, 34% very poor group (As. tween Rs. 4801 to As. 6400 and 3501-4800) and j 2% to the poor another 7°4 even more than As. group (4801-6400). 6400.

2. At the national level, 67% benefici- 3. In 82% cases, there was no differ- aries were selected in the meeting enoe in the cost as per record and of Gram Sabhas. value of asset in the opinion of the beneficiary. In 9% cases differ&nce 3. About 81 Ofo beneficiaries had found 01 more than Rs. 500 was foynd 213 Wriften Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnSWSIS 214

which indicates malpractices and 6. Increasing the coverage of Women leakages and require investigation beneficiaries to 30%, and now 40% by the concerned authorities. with effect from 1.4.1990.

3. Wooong capital was required in 7. A new system of concurrent evalu- 65% cases but it could not be pro- ation by ~9 reputed academic insti. vided to the beneficiaries In 22% tutions has been introduced from cases. October, 1985.

4. After care support was not imparted 8. The lim~ for security free loans to beneficiaries in 53% cases out of under IRDP has been raised from 75% cases requiring such support. Rs. 5,000 to Rs. 10,000 and 158 sector Rs. 25,000. 5. The repayment period was less than 3 years in 9% cases and It was 9. A unnorm apphcationcum appraisal 3 years In 29% cases. form for IRDP loans has been introduced w.e.f. 1.4.1987. STATEMENT·II 10. In order to provide social sacur~yto Steps Taken to improve the Implementa- the IRDP beneficiaries w.e.f. tion of IRDp· , .4.1988, a Group Insurance Scheme has been started w~h help , . The poverty hne has been kept at of LHe Insurance Corporation of Rs. 6400. The income of the as- India. Under this scheme, every sisted families IS to be raised to this IRDP beneficiary will be insured for level. 3 years for Rs. 3000 with double benef~ in case of accidental. 2. For identification purposes, the cut off point has been raised to Rs. 11. For encouraging in setting up of 4800 per family. However. all the small industrial units in rural areas fam~ies with income upto Rs 3500 by IRDP families etc., exemption have to be covered before taking from excise duty have been given up families with higher income. for production of processed food, footwears having value less than 3. A higher level of investment per Rs. 75. Television sets (B&W), family to enable proper retum on radios, cassette players, record- investment. ers, voltage stabilizers, calculators, electronic clocks, time pieces, electronic watches, audio cassettes, 4. Supplemental dose of assistance adaptors and toys etc. by regis- to those families assisted during tered cooperative soeieties includ- the Sixth Plan who have not been ing women agencies, the Khadi able to cross the povertY'line, for no and Village Industries Board (KVIC) fault of their own. and un~s supported with cash assistance from district rural devel- 5. The approach of unijormity has opment agencies under Integrated been changed to one of selectivity Rural Development Programme based on poverty incidence. (tRDP). 215 Wnlten Answers APRIL 26. 1990

12. With the objective of marketing of total quantity of fertilizers to be imported IRDP goods on model fines and during 199O-91? with professionalism a separate call has bean set up in CAPART .. A THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL number of_ 'melas' to' popularise SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): and sale of produQs made by the (a) and (b). Fertifizers are imported to bridge beneficiaries of rural development the gap between the assessed demand and

programme and voluntary organi- I the indigenous availability. Some quantities sations have been organised by of phosphaticf~rtilizers would be imported to CAPART. meet this gap during 1990-91. The entire requirement of potassic fertilizers would be 13. Forfacilitiative greater coverage of met by imports as there are no known com- Women under IRDP, group ap- mercially viable sources of this material in proach of Women beneficiaries has the country. However, it would not be in the been extended to all district from public interest to disclose the details of the 1st January, 1990, under which quant~ies of the fertilizers to be imported. groups of Women forming thrift and credit societies would be provided Drinking Water to Villages of Orissa matching grant for a revolving fund equal to the amount of savings 6724. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS: generated by the groups. The Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be matching grant would be subject to pleased to state: ceiling of Rs. 15,000 per group. (a) whether Union Government has 14. It has been decided that from 1990- prescribed priorities for different vmages for 91, 3% of IRDP benefits should be providing drinking water and sanitation dur- earmarked for physically handi- ing the International Drinking Water Supply capped person u.nder IRDP. and Sanitation Decade (1981-91):

15. The target for coverage of Se/ST (b) the quantum of external assistance families has been increased from received and utilised so far; and 30% to 50% of total families assisted with effect from 1.4.1990. (c) the number of villages identified under different period priority-categories and Import 0.' Fertnlzers achievements made in respect of Orissa, district-wise? 6723. SHAf PRAKASH KOKO BRAHMBHATI: Will the Minister of AGRI- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE CULTURE be pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF RURAL DEVELOP- MENi IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUl- (a) whether there is a proposal to dras- TURE (SHRI UPENDRA NATH VERMA): tally cut the import of fertilizers; and (a) The Union Government had prescribed 100% coverage of rural population with safe (b) if so, the reasons therefor and the drinking water and 25% of rural population 217 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Wfltten Answers 218 with sanitatIOn dunng the International Dnnk- stratlOn upto 31 st March, 1990 IS Rs 1954 23 Ing Water Supply and Sanitation Decade lakhs whICh has been utilised (1981-91 ) (c) The number of problem villages Identified and achievements made upto 25th (b) The quantum of external asslstarrce March, 1990 In respect of Orissa dlstrlct- receIVed from Danish Development admtnl- wise IS given In the Statement 219 Wnttctn Ans_1S APRfl 26. 199o

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Telephone Connections S.T.D. Link to each DIstrict ~adqu8r lers for Bhopal 6727. SHRt ANBARASU ERA: SHRJ D. AMAT:

6726. DR. LAXMINARAYAN PAN- Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- DEYA: TIONS be pleased to state: SHAt CHHABIRAM ARGAL: (a) the numberof applications Statewise Wi" the Minister of COMMUNICA- on the waiting list for telephone connections TIONS be pleased to state: and since when they are waiting;

(b) the steps taken to provide connec- (a) whether Government propose to tions to a" the applicants; and provide SID link to Bhopal w~h each district headquarters in Madhya Pradesh; (c) the time by which they are expected to get the telephone connections?

(b) ~ so, the names of districts likely to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE be Hnked with Bhopal during 1990-91; and MJNISTRY OF COMMUNJCATJONS (SHRJ JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Information is (c) Hnot, the reasons therefor? given in attached statement.

(b) and (c). The tOtal waiting list in the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE country as on 31.1.90 is 17.39,67. The 8th MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Plan has been formulated with a view to JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. 29 out provide telephone connections on an aver- of 45 district headquarters are provided w~h age in the country. (i) on demand in tete- STD as on 1.4.1990. phone exchanges of less than 5000 lines capacity, and (ii) to contain wa~ing list to one year period in telephone exchanges of ca- (b) The remaining 16 district hqrs. pacity ~OOO lines or more. To achieve these planned for STD to Bhopal in 1990-91 are objectives the 8th Plan proposal envisage Balaghat, Betul, Chatlarpur, Damoh, Suna, expansion of the telephone network by about Jhabua, Khargona, Mandla, Narsingpur, 52 lakh new connections. The presently Rajgarh. Shahdo', Sidhi, Shajapur, Shivpuri, pending waning list is likely to be cleared Panna, Tikamgarh. progressively during 8th Five Year Plan subject to the availability of resources and (c) Question does not anse. approval of Plan. 225 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnStWfS 226

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Solution of outstandtng Issues between telephone service in Bhubaneshwar, Cut- India and Nepal tack and various otherdistrid in Orissa State during 1990-91; and 6728. SHRI ANBARASU ERA: SHRI MANORANJAN (b) t~e time by which the development BHAKTA: schemes are likely to be implemented? SHRI BANWARI LAL PURO- HIT: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE SHRI DILIP SINGH JU DEb: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHAI JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) It is expected Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF- to allot Rs. 26 crores to Orissa Telecom FAIRS be. pleased to state: Circle for the year 1990-91 under Capital heads for development of telecommunica- (a) whether an Indian delegation ViSited tion services. Out of this, about Rs.52lakhs Nepal recently to discuss the bilateral issues IS. likely to be spent in Bhubanseshwar and between the two countries. Rs. 241akhs in Cuttack on Sw~ching projects costing Rs. 50 lakhs and more individually. A (b) if so. the nuteome thereof; major prortion of the investment of As. 26 crores is on the development of the network (c) whether any mutually acceptable which will benefit the entire State of Orissa solution to outstanding ISSUPS has been including Bhubaneshwar and Cuttack. The evolved; and allocations will be subject to change in the liqht of actual receipt of equipment etc., (d) if so. the broad features thereof? dUring the course of the year.

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- (b) Different ongoing projects will be FAIRS (SHRI I.K GUJRAL): (a) Yes, SIr. An completed on different dates. The following Indian official delegation led by the Foreign major switching transmi;sion projects are Secretary VISited Kathmandu from March 31 hkely to be commissioned in 1990-91 sub- to April3. 1990 to diSCUSS the b,lateral issues ject to availability of equipment. with Nepal Telephones: Expansion of Bhubanesh- (b) to (d). As deSired by the Nepalese war E 10B exchange from 5000 to 7000 side. the Indian Side handed over to them a lines. Installation of a 1500 lines RlU at comprehensive draft covering V,HlOUS as- Mancheswar presented to Bhubaneshwar pects of the bilateral relationship. The Nep- exchange. alese Side requested for some more time to study the draft and give their reilctlor We Installation of 2000 lines RlU at Cuttack agreed to this reques.t. p~rented to Digital TAX at Cuttack.

Funds Allotted for Development in Opening of 2048 port lL T Exchange at Telephone Service in Orissa Jeypore.

6729. SHRI ANADI CHA.RAN DAS LDPTs: Opening of 1100 LDPTs using Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 2/15 shared RadiO System in Koraput DIS- pleased to state trict.

(a) the funds allotted for developing TELEX: 100 lines Electronic Telex 235 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Writtfm AnswetS 236

concentrator at Rourkela. Orissa during the year 1990·91 ;

Transmission: 140 MB/s optical fibre (b) the reasons for delay in opening of cable link between Bhubaneswar and Cut· proposed new branch post office under tack. Cuttack North Postal Division of Orissa; and

140 MBIS digital microwave link be· (c) the time by which these Post Offices tween Cuttack and Sambalpur. are rlkely to be opened?

34 MBIS Digital microwave link between Cuttack and Bhubaneswar. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Development of Postal Services In JANESHWAR MISHRA): .(a) New post of· Orissa fices have been sandioned for Orissa to be opened during 1990·91. The nam~ are 6730. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS: furnished in the attached statement. Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (b) and (c). There is no delay. As soon as necessary formalities are completed, the (a) the details of the programme per- sanctIOned post offices are expected to start taining to development of postal services in functiOning.

STATEMENT

ORISSA CIRCLE

E.D. Branch Post Oft;ces

51. No. Name of proposed offices District

2 3

1. Goblndpur Balasore

2. Barsar -do-

3. Rudhanga -do-

4. Ankona Padar BoJangir

5. KandhanJhula -do-

6. Hlrapur -do-

7. Gadapokhan Cuttack

8. Rigdol -do- 237 WrItten Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKAl Written Answers 238

5L No. Name of proposed offices District

1 2 3

9. Sirul Cuttack

10. Chalki -do-

11. Salandi -do-

12. Bankual Dhenkanal

13. Khajuria -do-

14. Kamapur -do-

15. Kudagaon -do-

16. Gunangobeda Kalahandi

17. Bundealguda -do-

18. Ektara -do-

19. Kendlijhara -do-

20. Samagiri Keonjhar

21. Kharjur Ibanl Keonjhar

22. Metapaka Koraput

23. Bahalda Mayurbhanj

Kalahandi 24. Turlakhaman

-do- 25. Kundabandha -do- 26. Dengkarlakhunta

Koraput 27. Kaitapal -do- 28. Duburuneali -do- 29. Bhatalpur 239 Wtitt8n AnSMH'S APRil 26, 1990 Written An.9WflS 240

51. No. Name of proposed offices District

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30. Mundakote Koraput

31. Tampargarh Sambalpur

32. Borta Balasore

33 Raltala Dhenkanal

34 D,m,ramunda KeonJhar

35. Kaunnkala -do-

3S. Perupanga Koraput

37. 8adparkala Koraput

38 Sargldlhl Sambalpur

39. Gargadhaha! -do-

40 Arnlapah -do-

41. Mahahngkaur -do-

42 Mohulpah -do-

43. Nileswar Sambalpur

44 Tentuhbelart Cuttack

45 Mundamahal Bolanglr

46 Dasarathlpur Cuttack

47 Barunel -do-

48 Jamudoh DhenKanai

49. Kotturu GanJam

50. Jagannathpur -do-

51. Radap,lh -do- 241 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 242

SI. No. Name of proposed oHices District

2 3

52. Janenipatna Kalahandi

53. Lakhbahal Kalahandi

54. Panoapodar -do-

SS. Dhanureypur Keonjhar (Hermota)

5S. Baragoda -de-

57. Kusakala -do-

58. Muktapur -do-

59. Rallegada Keraput

SO. Khalra -do-

61. Penakan -do-

62. BOlhguma -do- (Ianba l )

63. Taramara Mayurbhanj

64. Balakl8 Phulbani

65. Jamlon Sambalpur

66. MalalJpada -do-

67. Bhalneadarha -do-

-do- 68. Sarlikela

-do- 69. Routbalal

Sundargarh 70. Baddakh Cuttack 71. Lembo

Cuttack 72. Kusumbi 243 Writren Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Wrm.n AnsWlS 2414

Sl No. Name of proposed offices District

2 3

73. Bhagabanpur Cuttack

74. Laxmipur Gamunda Korapur

75. T~alguda -do-

76. Ramlenka Purt

n. Mordabadl -do-

78. Chhamundtapalh -do-

79. Bilaspur Sambalpur

80. Kanso Cuttack

81. Mahulta -do-

Oepatmental Sub OffICes

1. Uttarbafollnl Balasore NDTSO

2 Marattguda NDSO Koraput

3. Barinaput DSO -do..:....

4. NAD Sannbeda SOO Navel Armament Depot. Garison, Engg. Protect.

5. Chandrasekharpur HoUSIng Board Colony Bhubaneswar Pun

6. IRC Village Bhubaneswar Puri

7. Orient Colliry Branjaraj Sambalpur 245 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 246

Vlterlnary Ho8pltalsand Dispensaries have been set up or are proposed to be set up? 6731. SHRI ANADI CHARAN OAS: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHAI NITISH KUMAR): (a) the steps taken by Government to (a) There are as many as 5878 Veterinary control livestock diseases; Hospitals/Poly-Clinics, 12185 Veterinary Dispensaries, 20372 Veterinary Aid Centres (b) the number of Veterinary Hospitals and about 400 Mobile Veterinary Dispensa- and Dispensaries in the country, State-wise: ries all over the country to control livestock and diseases. (b) Please see statement 'A'. (c) the places in Cunack District of Orissa where such Hospitals/Dispensaries (c) Please See Statement '8'. 247 Writlen Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written An...,. 248

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STATBENT-B

List of Places in Cuttadc district where Veterinary Hospital!Oispflnsaries have been sill up

Name of the Name of the place Subdivision

i) Cuttack Sadar 1) Buxibazar Vaty. Hospital

2) Nayabalar Vety. Dispensary

3) Kalapada -do-

4) 8aranga -do-

5) Phulbakhara -do-

S) Mahanga -do-

7) Salipur -do-

8) Nischintakoil -do-

9) Niali -do-

10. Tangi -do-

11) Chaudwar -do-

12) Kantapada -do-

2) Jagatsinghpur 13) Kisanagar -do-

14) Raghunathpur -do-

'15) Jagatsinghpur -do-

16) Balikuda -do-

17) Machhagan -do-

18) Nauganhat -do-

19) Tirtol -do~

20) Kujanga -db-

21, Erasama -do- 257 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Ans_1S 258

Nams of the 'Jame of the place Subdivision

22) Paradeep Vety. Dispensary

23) Tulanga -do-

24) Biridi -do-

3) Kendrapara 25) Kendrapara -do-

26) Derabis -do-

27) Tendakuda -do-

28) Marsaghai -do-

,29) Mehaka!pada -de-

30) Patamundei -do-

31) Au!. -do-

32) Rajkanika -do-

33) Indupur -do-

34) Chandel -do-

35) Naladia sasan Vety .Dispensary

36) Badapada -do-

37) Garadapur -de-

-do- 38) Rajanagar

Banki -de- 4) Banki 39) -de- 40) Baideswar -do- 41) Subanapur

Vety. Hesl 42) Jajpur 5) Jajpur Vety .Dispense 43) Sujanpur 259 Written Answers APRil 26. 1990 Written AnswetS 260

Name of the Name of the place Subdivision

44) Dasarathpur Vety. Dispensary

45) Binjharpur -do-

46) Angalo -do-

47) Rampa -do-

48) Ratnagiri -do-

49) Korei -do-

50) Rasulpur -do-

51 ) Dangadi -do-

52) Jajpur Road -do-

53) Sukinda' -do-

54) Dharamsala -do-

SS) Chhatia -do-

56) Gopalpur -do-

57) Gobardhanpur -do-

5B) Badachana -do-

6) Athagarh 59) Athagarh -do-

60) Tigiria -do-

61 ) Baramba -do-

62) Narasinghpur -do-

63) Gurudijhatia -do-

64) Kanpur -do-

65) Kamaladihi -do-

.66) Maniabandh -do- (not sanctioned)

There is no such decISion of the Government of Orissa to set up any new Veterinary OispensaryMospital in near future. 261 wnrt.n Answets VAISAKHA 8, 1912 (SAIC'A)

[ TtanSlationl cadets. In 2 cases unction tor prosecution is being issued by the competent authority. 1 OBI Raids at OffIcers Hou_ case flas been cbsed. Remaining e. cases are under Inveatigation by the CSL 6732. SHRl KALPNATH SONKAR: Win the Minister of COMMUNICATKlNS be (d) When certain irregularities are no- pleased to. state: ticed against certain officers efforts are mad. to post them against non-sensitive posts. A (a) the details of the officers working in close watch is also kept, on t~e activities of 'his Ministry whose houses were raided by all such officials so that they are not in a C.BJ. during last twoyears: pOsition to misuse their official position.

(b) the details of the property recovered [English] therefrom; (c) the action taken against them; and Outstanding Telephone Bills

(d) whether the officers are still posted 6733. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Wi1l the at such positions even today where there is Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased much scope of corruption? to state: (a) the amount of telephone bills out- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE standing for more than one yearfrom various M~ISTRY OF COMMUNfCATIONS (SHRI subscribers-Government and private sepa- JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) During the rately In Bombay, Nagpur, Pune and Auran- period from 1.1.1988 to 30.3.90,72 searches gabad c~les of Maharashtra State and the were conducted by the Various branches of State as a whole; and the CBt on the residential/office premises of 54 officials lofficers ~ncludmg 19 Gazetted (b) the steps taken for realisation of the Officers of the Ministry of Communications same? In connectIOn with investigation of 28 cases taken up against them. The nature of allega- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tions is having acquired assets dispropor- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHAt tionate to the. known source of their income, JANESHWAA MISHRA): (a) The informa- demanding and accepting of bribe. criminal tion, as on 28.2.90, is given. below: misconduct, departmental misconduct etc. (Amount in thousl4nds Rs.) (b) DUring the course of searches the movable/immovable assets worth Rs. Government Private 19,43,125/- have been discovered besides plots and houses in the name of some of the i) Bombay 9004 304291 officers. A large numoer of incriminating documents have also been ii) Nagpur 4 463 seized by the CSI which are under scrutiny. iii) Pune 292 3214 (c) Out of the 28 cases, investigations in respect of 20 cases have been finalised. 5 iv) Aurangabad 65 out of 20 cases have been sent for trial; departmental action for major/minor penalty v) Maharashtr. 9932 312802 proceedings etc. is being initiated in 12 (as a whole) 263 Wnl'ten Answers APR1L 26, 1990 Wrltttn AnSW9f'S 264

(b) The following steps are being taken (c) whether the C-OOl expenditure in by the Government 10r realisation of the Chicago was borne by an American firm and dues: was later reimbursed by C-OOl after obtaining RBI permit; i) In so far as Government dues are concerned the same are being pursued at the level of Chief Gen- (d) whether C-ooT has misted FERA eral Managers and the Directorate. rules; and The Chairman, Telecom Commis- sion. has also written to the Chief Secretary of the State for clear- (e) nso, what action Government pro- ance of dues. pose to take on C-OOT and the officials responsible? ii) In the case of private subscribers, the following steps are taken: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE M'NISTRY OF COMMUN\CATIONS (SHRl (a) Pursuit by means of personal JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. contact and offer of receiving payment in instalments, when (b) to (9). Information is being collected requested for the same and will be placed on the table of the house as soon as ~ is ready. (b) Disconnection of other telephones of the same subscriber, d there is more than one connec- [Translation] tion working for him. Filling up of posts reserved for SCIST (c) legal action. in Ministry

6735. DR. BENGALI SINGH: Will the Establishment of C-DOT Office in Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be Cicago, USA pleased to state:

6734. SHRI M.G. SEKHAR: (a) the category-wise number of posts SHRI R. GUNDU RAO: reserved for Scheduled Castes and Sched- SHRI Y. RAMAKRISHNA: uled Tribes lying vacant in the Ministry and since when; Will the Minister of COMMUNICA· TIONS be pleased to state: (b) the action being taken to fill those vacancies; and (a) whether the C-OOT has estab- (c) ~ not, the reasons therefor? lishedlstarted an office In Chicago, U.S.A. MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT (SHRt KP. UNN'KRISHNAN): (a) The category-wise numberof posts reserved (b) if so, whether the prescribed guide- for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in" in respect 01 setting up a \iaison cell and the year since when these posts are o\\u 0\ a GO\lemmen\ 0' \nd\a UndertaV-ing I lying vacant in the main Secretariat of Minis- Society overseas wer'e fo'towed if! this case; trY of Surface Transport is as under: . 265 Written AnswelS VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answe" 266

YEAR Group fA' Group 'B' Group 'C t Group'D'

SC ST se ST SC ST SC ST

2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

1988 5 3 4 3

1989 2 3 14 8 17 8

1990 3 2 19 5

The information regarding the subordi- March, 1990.28 private buses were disen- nate offices of the Ministry of Surface Trans- gaged from DTC operation on account of port is being collected and will be laid on the their involvement in fatal accidents during Table of the House. the above mentioned period. However, there is no proposal to remove the private buses (b) and (c). In some of the cases selec- from the DTC operation on these counts. tion formal~ies have been completed and offers of appointment sent to the candIdates Linking of Tehslls In Bharouch District selected. Action has been taken to fill up the with Dethl by STO remaining vacant posts also. 6737. SHRI CHANDUBHAI Removal of Private Buses under OTe DfSHMUKH: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: 6736: DR. BENGALI SINGH: SHRI HARI SHANKAR M~ (a) the number of tehsils in Bharoudl HALE: district In Gujarat linked through S.T.D. w~h New Delhi: Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANS- PORT be pleased to state: (b) the steps proposed to be taken by Government for providing the S. T.D. facility (a) whether In view of increasing inci- to the framing tehsils; and pents of molestation of women passengers and aCCidents Government propose to re- (c) the time by which this facility is likely move the private buses under D.T.C. opera- tQ be provided to all the tehsils? tion; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) rt so, the time by which it IS likely to MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI be done? JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Brouch (Bharuch) is the only tehsil headquarter linked THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- with New Delhi through STD. PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) and (b). No case of molestation of women (b) and (c). The remaining 10 Tehsil passengers in the private buses under OTe Headquarters of Brouch district are planned operation has been reported to the DTC to be provided with S.T.D. facility during the during the period from October. 1989 to 31 st 8th Plan period. 267 Written AnsW91S APRIL 26. 1990 Wrhten AnswelS 268

[English 1 -(b) the~etailsofexpend~ureincurredin Indian Rupees and foreign exchange on Visits Abroad made by employeesl each visit? Officials of C-DOT

6738. SHRI R. GUNDU RAO: Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI to state: JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) and(b). Advi· sor C-DOTlExecutive Director did not visit (a) the number of visits abroad made abroad during 1989-90 officially. 32 visits in1989-90 by Advisor C-DOT, Executive were made by C-OOl officials, Employees, Director and other employees/officIals of C- purpose of their visit and details of expendi· OOT and the purpose of their visit; and ture are given in the attached statement. 269 Writtsn Answers VAISAKHA 6. 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 270

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SprayIng of Pesticides In country during 1988-89?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 6739. SHRI D. AMAT: Will the Minister DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND of AGR1CUl lURE be pleased to state the COOPERAT1ON IN THE MINISTRY OF State-wise quantities of pesticides sprayed AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR):

51. No. StatelU. T. Consumption

2 3

1. Andhra Pradesh 9,910

2. Arunachal Prade~h 30

3. Assam 575

4. Bihar 1 700

5. GUlarat 5,500

6. Goa 22

7 Haryana 4,500

8 Himachal Pradesh 718

9 Jammu & Kashmir 110.00

10. Karnataka 3.900

11. Kerala 1,100

12. Madhya Prade~h 4.500

13. Maharashtra 6.020

14. Manipur 50

15. Meghalaya 45

16. Mlzoram 15.00

12.00 H. Nagaland

1.800 lB. Orissa

5,770 19. 279 Written Answers APRIL 26,1990 Written Answers 280

Sl No. StatelU. T. Consumption

1 2 3 20. Rajasthan 2,758

21. Sikkim 20

22. Tamil Nadu 12,500

23. Tripura 164

24. Uttar Pradesh 8.480

25. West Bengal 5,000

26. Andam9n & Nlcobar

27. Chandlgarh

28. Delhi 60.00

29 .• Dadra & Nagar Hewell

30 Daman & DIu

31. Pondlcherry 135.00

32. Lakshadweep 0.70

Total 75,417.70

Progress of World Bank Aided National THE MINISTEROFSURFACE TRANS- Highway Projects PORT (SHRl K.P. UNNIKRISHAN): (a) and (b). The World Bank had agreed to provide 6740. SHRI D. AMAT: Will the MInister a loan assistance not exceeding US $ 200 of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased to million for development of National High- state: ways in six States. These projects are financed from the normal budgetary provi- (a) the World Bank aided National sions and the portion of expenditure reim- Highway Projects in the country and the bursable by the World Bank is claimed sub- amount of World Bank aid released 1orthose sequently. A sum US $ 45 million has been projects so fr!r; and reimbursed so far by the World Bank. The details of the schemes along with progress (b) the details of the progress made In on each scheme are Indicated in the state- the mmpletion of those proJects? ment attached. 281 Written AnsWBIS VAtSAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 282

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Bodos Agitation cultural wholesale markets and similar proj- etts in the country; and 6743. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to (b) if so, the details of the economic state: assistance proposed to be provided to each of the States? (a) the proqress made In solving the Bodos issue: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF RURAL DEVELOP- (b) whether Government have agreed MENT IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL- to give Autonomy to Bodos; TURE (SHRI UPENORA NATH VERMA): (a} and (b). The European Economic Com- (c) if so, the details thereof? munity have entered into an agreement with India for development of three large regional THE MINIST~R OF STATE IN THE agricultural markets and three smaller dis- MINISTRY O~ HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI tnrt markets in Kerala. The project also SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) to (c,. In provides assistance for monitoring and pursuance to the latest round of tripartite evaluation and special consuHancy serv- discussion held between the Centf a: Gov- Ices The project provides for supply of ferti! ernment. Assam Gover'1ment and All Bodo Isers valued at 18.10 milllr:m European cur- Students' Union on 18.4.1990, a small rency units through Mrnerals and Meta! Committee with representative from All Bodo Trading Corporation of India and 0.55 million Students Union. Bodo Peoples Action European currency umts for monitOring Committee. Government of Assam ;'lnd evaluation etc. The project is being imple- Government of India il:i belr.g 59! UD This menl~d in Kerala. Committee would De making recommendations sugge~ttnq ~Ultable SC'llul1n'lS In the Termination of Services of Executive techno-politlc::!1 .::Jt1d develcpmerrta l problems Director and Director of C-OOT of Bodos and other PlainS Trib11s :n Assam wit.,i" the framework of the r:OI"~tltlJtl()fI of 6745. PROF. K.V THOMAS' India and will wmk out the df't11ls at an SHRI HARISH RAWAT' admi",stratlv4? political and legal arrange- SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA ment for dRvf)lutlon of powers accPDt~ble to MURTHY: all sections of pe0ple living in the State. The SHRI P.C. THOMAS: Committee IS fa submit Its report in th~ next SHRI K.S. RAO: round of ta l1<'5 scheduled to be held or 2.7.1990. Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: EEC Assistance for Agricultural Whole· sale Markets (a) whether the Executive D,rector and DIrector C-DOr had given a dissent"'g note to KPP Namhiar C-DOT Committee Report 6744. PROF. K.V. THOMAS. W:!! the If SQ. the details thereof: Minister of AGRICUL TUAE be pleasw to s1~te: (b) whether services of these two offi- c~rs have been terminated: (a) w,",ethf't European tconomic Community hat; 3'Jr(l(>-: to f!n~~co th() .'lgri- (c, if so, the reason~ ther~for; 289 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 290

(d) whether a large number of engi- (a) The diseases that mostly affect the neers working In C-DOT have expressed Banana cultivation are - Panama wilt, leaf their resentment over their removc.l: and spot, anthracnose, cigar end rot and bunchy top. (e) If so, the reaction of Government thereto? (b) and (c). Yes, Sir. The control strategy developed and recommended for ad0p- THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR tion by the farmers to check pest disease COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI JANESHWAR attack Includes planting of healthy and dis- MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. The matter is under ease free and suckers. adoption of proper consideration of the Government. orchard management practices, judicious application 01 pesticides, roguing and de- (b) and (C) In resper::t of Shn G.B structIon of diseased plants and observing Meemamsl, Executive Director It was de- domestic plant quarantine measures. Cided not to continue with his S8rVICPS, since he had crossed the age of 60 years Potato Growing States

In case ('If Shn 0 R. Mc:thaJan. Director, 6747. SHRI SRIKANTHA DAnA his tenure of 3ppolntmenl ha:J expired and NARASIMHA RAJA WADIYAR: Will the extension 1,\'(15 not granted Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (d) ard I") SC'mp replesertatlons have been recelvpd. The position h.::t.s been ex- (a) the main potato growing States: plained to them (b) whether the Potato growers in Kar- Disease Affecting Banana Cultivation nataka are faCing hardship as there are no adequate marketing facilities: 6746. SHRI KADAMBIJfl M R JAN- ARDHANAN Will the Mlnlstel of (C) whether they are also not getting AGRICUL TURE bp pleased to state remuneratIve priCeS for their produce: and

(a) the rJlseases tn(l~ mostly affect the (d) If so, the steps takE:!n by Govemment banana cU!!lv31Ion' to crer3te adequate marketing facilities and also to purchase potatoes from the farmers (b) whether a variety of banana called of Karnataka at reasonable prices? as Robesto. 's affected by pest rlttRck even at the seedling stage: and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND (c) If so, the steps taken by Govel nment COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF to help banana cu1ilvators from these dlfti- AGRICULTURE (SHR! NITISH KUMAR): cul~ie~? ~ a) The main potato growing states are Uttar p',adesh, West Benga!, Bihar. Punjab, Madhya Pradesh Assam and Gujarat. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND (b) and (c). No, Sir. COOPERATION IN THE M!NISTRY OF AGRfCULTURF I:lHRI NfTISH KUMAR): (d) Daes not arise. 291 Written AnswArs APRIL 26, 1990 Written Answers 292

Manufacturing of A.SJ.C. by Indian (a) whether Union Government have Telephone Industries, Bangalore recently take some stringent measures to solve the problem of Punjab and Jammu and 6748. SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA Kashmir; NARASIMHA R.I\JA WADIYAR: Will the Minister of COMMUN ICATIONS be pleased (b) if so, the new proposals that have to state: been considered and introduced by Govern- ment in regard to these two States; and (a) whether the proposal of Indian Teie- phone Industries, Bangalore to undertake (c) the extent to which these new pro- full fledged manufacture of Application posals are expected to improve the situatain Specific Integrated Circuits (ASIC) is pend- in these States? ing with Government; THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (b) if so, the time by which the proposal (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SA YEEO): (a) is expected to be cleared: to (c). "Public Order" being a State subject, it is for the Governments of Jammu & Ka- (c) the details of the production capacity shmir and Punjab to take appropriate meas- of ASIC envlsaqsd under the proposal: and ures to maintain law and order in the States. Stops taken by Punjab Government include (d) the cost of the entire project? close supervision of anti-terrorist operations, strengthening of Police control rooms for THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE better communication and reduction in re- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI sponce time, intensification of combing JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. operations wherever necessary, setting up of task force, increased vigil on the border (b) The project is presently under ex- and barbed wire fencing at the sensitive amination in consultation with various Gov- stretches. ernment agencies. It is likely to take about an year before the project is cleared. Steps taken in Jammu and Kashmir include strengthening of administration, (c) improvement in the functioning of Police Capacity per Year stations, better coordination between State ASIC (Gate array) 2,50,000 Nos. Police, Central Police Forces and the Army, ASIC (Standard Cell) 1,00,000 Nos. preventive arrests, combing operations, more Processed wafer 7.000 Nos. compact supervision by higher officers, and increased vigil on the border. (d) Presently estimated cost of the project is Rupees 7444 lakhs. Sustained efforts are being made by the Governments of Punjab and Jammu and Measures to Solve J&K and Punjab Kashmir with a view to improving the situ- Problems ation. General Council Meeting o·fNCDC 6748 SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJES- 6750. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES- WARI: WARI: stI~1~$;. @~V.ARAJ: . SHRI CH IRANJ ILAL SHARMA: 8001 _--'~S't)N.QHAft~ ~ . '!.._~,_.. ~,4'"1! ~, Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Wi!J th~ Mi . ~:.r-uRtbe pleased to state: pleased to·state: . 293 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 294

(8) whether a general council meeting tee) have also been forwarded to the State of the National Cooperative Development Governments. Corporations was held recently; U.K.'s Views on Kashmir I.... (b) if so. the subjects discussed at the meeting and the outcome thereof: and 6751. SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJES· WARI: (c) the steps being taken to Improve the SHRI G.S. BASl\VARAJ: , working of the cooperatives In the country? Will the Minister of EXTERNAL THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: SUPPUES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (t=l) Yes, Sir (a) whether United Kingdom has proposed for the settlement of Kashmir issue (b) In the last meeting held on 28.3.90, between India and Pakistan through bilat- the General Council of NCDC considered eral negotiations: the progrJIT,i1W of Activities of NCDC for the year 1990-91 alld approved the programme (b) if so, the details thereof; and and financial ~stlnlr!tes thereof rtt the level of Rs. 260 crores. Beslces confirmation of the (C) Government's reaction thereon? minutes at thE' earlier meeting and review of the action t<1ken on ar;tionable P~)!,1ts of the THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- plevlOUS m~etinG. the Genera! Council aiso FAIRS SHRII.K. GUJRAL): (a) to (c). The persued the Audited StG'tement of Accounts position of the Government of UK as stated of NCDC and ~CDC Employees Provident on a number of occasions is that the "Ka- Fund for the year i 988-89. shmir Issue~ can be settled only by agreement between India and Pakistan. The Government of UK has also stated that its (c) "Cooperatlve Societies" IS a State position is entirely consistent wrth the terms subject under the Indl~n Constitution. Meas- of the Simla Agreement providing for settling ures to strengthen the "Cooperative Socie- of differences between India and Pakistan ties and to ,mp,ove their working are taken by peaceful means through bilateral nego- by the State Governments In their area with ttatlons. assistance and gUidance from National Bank ~or AgncultlJle and Rural Development [ Translation] iNABAAD). National Cooperattve Develop- ment Corpo,C'itton (NCDC) and other orga'1l- Jobs to Farmers in IFFCO Factory at sations interested In promoting and financ- Aonla Ing cooperatives In the country. Government of India has also commended the various 6752. SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Will the recommpndatlons of the Conferences of Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to State Mlr13t~rs of Cooperation held from state: timeto time. 'N't~13 VIP.W Improve the workl!1g of coopprC\tiv!:)s It" the country '1 tie recom- (a) the number of farmers whose lands mendattons made by the Committee on have been acqUIred for setting up IFFCO Cooperative Law fOI democratisation and factory at Aonla in district Bareilly (Uttar pIOfessicnalisatlOn and Management In Pradesh) and the number of farmers out of Cooperatives (Ardhanareshwaran Commlt- them who have been provided jobs: 295 Written An~w9rs APRil 26, 1990 Written Answers 296

(b) whether the policy of Government is (c} the number to such permits allotted to provide job to one member of each family to Govemment of Uttar Pradesh during 1989; of those farmers whose lands have been acquired; and (d) whether any quota has been reserved for Scheduled Castes and Sched- (c) if so, the time by whICh they are likely uled Tribes; and to be provided jobs and details in this regard? (e) If so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MtRDHA): PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHAN): (a) and (a) to (c). There were 851 land-losers In the (b) There is no quota for issue of All India context of land acquired for IFFCD, Aonla Permits for the State Governments. The All Project. Out of these 715 were eligible for India Permits are issued by the State Trans- employment and 191 have been provided port Authorrties in accordance with the pro- employment. In addition, about 100 land- visions of sub-s~ions (9) and (10) of Sec- losers have been given Jobs Intermittently on tion 88 of Motor Vehicles Act, 1988. temporary basIs. (c) Does not arise. In accordance with the State Govern- ment guidelines, IFFCO has given prefer- (d) No, Sir. ence to land-losers for employment For unskilled Jobs. the recrurtment IS made from (e) Does not arise. among the land-losers only. Recruitment rules have been relaxed for them. Further, Districts Selected by National Technol- land-losers with some education are bemg ogy Mission for Development of Inte- tramed to get opportunities for befOg em- grated Drinking Water Supply Projects ployed on semI-skilled jobs. in Uttar Pradesh

A number of development and other 6754. SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Will works have been undertaken by IFFCO in the Minister of AGRICUL TURE be pleased collaboration with State/District administra- to state: tion so that employment opportunities might further improve for land-losers (a) th~ number of districts selected by National Techno1ogy Mission for the devel- Quota for All India Permits opment of Integrated drinking water supply projects in Uttar Pradesh; 6753. SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be (b) if so, the names of these districts; pleased to stale:

(a) whether Union Government pro- (c) whether a programme has been pose to allot to certain quota of All India launched for the actual realisation of this Permit to the State Governments for plying objective; and passenger buses;

(~ ~ so, the crlterra followed for such (d) nso, the progress made so far In the allocation: implementation of this programme? 297 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 298

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lakhs have been organised in the State till DEPARTMENT OF RURAL DEVELOP- December, 1989. National Dairy Develop- MENT IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL- ment Board has released a sum of Rs. TURE (SHRI UPENDRA NATH VERMA)' 3954.261akh (provisional) since inception of (a) and (b) Four dlstncts namely Mirzapur, the project till March 1990, for implementa- Agra, Unnao and Sultanpur have been taken tion of the programme. up under the National Drinking Water MIS- slOnforthe development of Integrated drink- However, for financing projects under ing water supply projects In Uttar Pradesh. Operation Flood III, mdlvldual milk unions are reqUired to submrt Sub-Project Invest- (c) Yes, Sir. ment Proposals (SPIP) to the National Dairy Development Board (NODS) NDDB has not (d) Aga1nc;j the schemes approved under received such proposals from individual milk the detallpd nroJect reports of these districts unIons 10 Madhya Pradesh exceptfrom Uilam for estimated cost of Rs 18 18 crores, 13.21 ni,lk union. crores have been released so far The expenditure reported Februi1ry. 1990 IS Rs'. ASSistance for purchase of milch cattle 12.62 crort!'; IS given to target group under Integrated Rural Development Programme (IRDP) also, Funds to Madhya Pradesh for Exten- In all States/UTs In Madhya Pradesh durmg sive Dairy Development 1989-90 (up to Feb., 1990), 37597 famIlies have been prOVided milch cattle under this 6755 SHRI CHHABIRAM ARGAL Will programme the MInister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state (c) No, Sir.

(a) whpther Government propose to (d) Does not arise. prOVide special financial assistance to M~dhyCl Prr!rlp~h hr pvtenslve dairy devel- Development of Mandls opment. 6756 SHRI CHHABIRAM ARGAl: Will (b) If so, the details thereof. the MinIster of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state (C) whether Government have Signed an agreement wIth Denmark fordalry devel- (a) the amount sanctioned as Central opment: and grant dunng 1989-90 for the development of small mandls, (d) rt so, the details thereof? (b) whether proJect-reports for develop- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ment of eleven major mandls are still pend- DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND 109 for clearance by Union Government; and COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTuRE. (SHRI NITISH KUMAR)' (C) If so, the details thereof and when ,a) and (b). Madhya Pradesh IS already these are likely to be cleared? covered under the daIry development programme known as OperatIon Flood, sInce THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1980. The proJeCt coves 29 dIstricts of the DEPARTMENT OF RURAL DEVELOP- State. 3814 v;lIage level daIry cooperative MENT IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL- SOCIeties with a farmer membership of 1.5 TURE (SHRt UPENDRA NATH VERMA): 299 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990

(a) A Central Sector Scheme to provide situation. The Central Government renders financial assistance in the form of grants-in- all possible assistance to the State Govern· aid is in operation since 1972-73. During ment whenever necessary, in this regard. 1989-90, an amount of Rs. 362.48lakh was sanctioned to develop agricultural produce enquiry Report on &cape of Pr..... markets in the country. Out of it, an amount from Srlnagar JaU of Rs. 232.00 lakh has been sanctioned for the devetopment of 58 new primary markets 6758. SHRI JANAROAN TIWARI: Will (small mandis). the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) and (c). Proposals for development of eleven markets at Dabra (Gwalior). Bi- (a) whether the enquiry into the escape naganj (Gunal, Biaora Rajgarh). GulabganJ of twelve prisoners from Srinagar Jail in (Vidisha), Chhlndwara (Chlndwara), Gadar- Kashmir recently has been completed; wara (Narsinghpur), Betul (Betul), RamanujganJ (Surguja). Later ,Vldisha), (b) d so, the details of the report; 'and Khujner (RaJ9arh) andChhaplheda (RaIQarh) were received from Govt. of Madhya Pradesh (c) further action taken in this regard? but these could net be sanctioned as the State Govt. had not forwarded Utilisation THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Certificates for the amounts sanctioned in (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SA YEED): (a) earlier years. to (c). 'Prisons' being a State subject, it is for the State Government to make necessary Rewards to Informers About Terrorists enquiry and take decisions. However, the in Kashmir Government of Jammu and Kashmir have Informed that following an enquiry conducted 6757. SHRI JANARDAN TIWARI: Wiil into the incident of escape of twelve prison- the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased ers from Srinagar Jail on March 27,1990, the to state: Superintendent of Jail, his Deputy, Assistant Jail Superintendent and 21 other officials (a) whether Government have any have been dismissed. proposal to give some incentive or reward to those people in the Kashmir vaUey who help [English] in the arrests of militants or provide clues in this regard: National Highway Finance Corporation

(b) if so, the details thereot: and 6759. SHRt BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT (c) whether Gov.emment also contem- b~ pleased to state: plate to provide full security to these people? (a) whether proposal for setting up a THE -MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS National Highway Finance Corporation for (SHRI MUFTIMOHAMMADSAYEED):(a) .flnancing construction and development of to (c). 'Public Order' being a State subject, It National Highways has been finalised; is for the State Government to devise various methods, open or confidential develop (b) N, the demUs thereof including the intelligence to cotlect information and take soer~"""f\8~arepraposed concrete steps to improve law and otter to be_Md 301 Writtsn Answers VAISAKHA6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 302

(c) the details of weapons reoovered (c) I not, the reasons for the delay? from those persons and action taken against them? THE MtNlSTEROF SURFACE TRANS- PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHAN): (a) No, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Sir. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHAI SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) and (b). The (b) Does not anse. number of infi~rators apprehended by. the B5F, while intruding from Pakistan into (c) The prOposal involves a number of Ganganagar District of Rajasthan durin, the issues and is under consideration. last three years, were as follows:

Intrusion by Pakistanis In Rajasthan Y.ear Intruders aporehended 6760. SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA RAJE: Will the Minister of HOME AFF AIRS be pleased to state: 2

(a) whether there have been frequent 1987 34 incidents of intrUSIons by Pakistanis into Ganga Nagar district of Rajasthan during the 1988 34 last three years; 1989 30 (b) if so, the number of Pakistani intruders arrested by the Border Security Force, (c) The following quantities of arms! while intruding into India during the last three ammunitions were recovered from the above years; and intruders:

(i) 1987 Nil

(ii) 1986 AK-47 Rffles 3 Nos.

Rifle 1 Nos.

Pistol 6 Nos.

Gun 1 Nos.

Rockets 33 Nos.

Charging tubes 17 Nos.

Magazines 8 Nos.

Amn. 4,104 Rds.

5 Nos. (iii) 1989 AK-47 Rffle 303 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written Answers 304

Rifle 1 Nos.

Gun 4 Nos.

Pistol 5 Nos.

Magazines 20 Nos.

Pistol/Rifle Cleaning Kit 4 Nos.

Detonators 10 Nos.

Hand Grenades 8 Nos.

Safety Fuze 9 Nos.

Explosive 16 Kgs.

Gun powder 32 pkts.

Amn. 3579 Rds.

The apprehended infiltrators were supported the admission. handed over to the State Police forfurther investigations. Maritime Training Facilities

Diplomatic Relations with Namibia 6762. SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA RAJE: Wili the Minister of SURFACE . 6761. SHRIUTTAMRATHOD: Will the TRANSPORT be pleased to state: Ministerof EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (a) whether maritime training facilities in the country are adequate; (a) whether Government have established diplomatic relations with Namibia and (b) if not, whether there is any proposal had also made efforts for the entry of Na- to augment maritime training facilities in the mibia into the Commonwealth: and country; and

(b) if so. details thereof? (c) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- FAIRS (SHRI IX GUJRAL): (a) Yes. Sir. PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHAN): (a) to (c). The Maritime Training facilities for (b) A High Commission of India has merchant Officer to meet the statutory re- been functioning in Windhoek since Na- quirements of Indian flag vessels are ade- mibia's Independence. Namibia has been quate. For the training of officers, work on admitted into the Commonwealth. India setting up a new shore based academy at VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKAl Written Answers 306 nt.-Bombay iOf as replacement the present (c) \n China, aphids are contro\led training ship 'RAJEDNRA' has already by adoptIng Integrated Pest Management commenced. encompassing cukural, mechanical biologi- csl control methods and need based use of In the case of Seaman. the three Gov- insecticides. ernment Training Establishments were closed down between 1983 and 1985 in (d) and (e). Use of bio-control agents as pursuance of the recommendations of the an element of Integrated Pest Management Nanda Committee, as the availability of has been successfully tried in the case of Seamen was in excess of the requirements mustard and some other crops. Integrated of the Indian fleet. Government are review- Pest Management is the main thrust of plant ing the availability of trained Seamen with a protection strategy adoptect by the Govern- view to determine whether there is need for ment. starting a Seamen Training Establishment. Promotion to Extra Departmental [ TranslatIOn] Employees

Methods of Using Insecticides 6764. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH: Will the Minister of 6763. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: SINGH: Will the Minlsterof AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (a) whether the employees of E.D. Department of Posts and Telegraphs De- (a) whether insecticides can be used to partment are not promoted on the merit protect mustard crop from affid (Lahl insects: baSIS and are not treated as the employees of Posts and Telegraphs cadre;' (b) If not. the details of loss to mustard crop and financial lOSS, as a result thereof: (b) whetherthere are certain rules which prohibit the employees above the age of 42 (c) whp.ther Government are aware that years to appear in the departmental exami- China has controlled this menace by using nation for promotion: ahernative methods InciudiD9 biological control methods: (c) if so, the reasons therefor; and

(d) whether this technology is being (d) the details of the remedial measures used or proposed to be used in the country: being taken by Government to release the and rules in this regard to help the aged employees? (e) if not. the reasons therefor? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Extra-depart- DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND mental agents are selected for Group 'D' COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF posts on the basis of a qual~ying test and AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): seniority. They are also promoteo as post- (a) Yes, Sir. men on the basis of a test, part of the vacancies being filled by seniority and part (b) Question cto~s net ari~e. by merit. Extra-departmental agents consti- 307 Wnlten Answers APRIL 26, 1990 tute a separate category of the wolit -fon:e of MAKKASAR: Wilt the Minister of the Department, different from regular em- AGRtCUL TURE be pleased to state: ployees. (a) whether green trees war. auctioned (b) At present the age limit for extra- for felling in the Central Agricuhural Farms of departmental agents appeanng for depart- Suratgarh, Sardagarh and Jaitsar. mental examination is 35 years. For candidates belonging to SCIST the age limit is 40 (b) if so, the number of trees auctioned vears. during the last three years and the reasons therefor; and (c) The upper age limit has been prescribed w~h a view to making them eligible for reasonable pensionary benefits on their (c) the income accrued from sale of eventual retirement from Government serv- green trees in these agricultural farms? ice. Moreover. the concept of an upper age limit for recruitment is a normal condition inSisted upon in case of all appointments in THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVil Government • SUPPLIES (SHAt NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) to (c). Overmatured trees requiring re- (d) Does not arise. placement with fresh planting at Central State Farms, Suratgarh, Sadargarh and Jetsar Trees Auctioned by Central Agricunural were auctioned with the approval of the Fanns Government of Rajasthan. The number of trees auctioned and income accrued thereon 6765. SHRI SHOPAT SINGH are as per statement attached.

STATEMENT

Name of the Farm Year No. of Trees Said Income

Central State Farm Suratgarh 1986-87 5939 29.10

1987-88 1301 10.09

1988-89 1262 12.55

Central St~te Farm. Sardargarh 1986-87

1987-88 2995 25.43

1988·89 470 4.92

Central State Farm. Jetsar 1986-87 2966 26.89

1987-88 1624 13.83

1988-89 327 2.93 309 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 310

[English) demonstrators, frisking/search- ing of ladies, handling of LMG Training to Women in CRPF and minor field craft & tactics.

6766. SHRt N. DENNIS: Will the Min- (b) ister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state~ 1. The duration of the training pe- (a) the details of the trajning provided to riod for women Constables is ,the women in the Central Reserve Police less than that of men Constables. Force; and 2. The stress on training of woman (b) the difference nany in training given Constables is on indoor adivi- to men and women in this regard? ties while that for men Constables is on outdoor activities. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 3. Training for women Constables SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) Trarning cur- in weapon handling is less rigor- riculum for the women Constables in CRPF ous than thatfor men Constables. is as under: 4. Training curriculum for men 1. Physical Training, Yoga, Un- Constables include addnional armed Combat. steps like jungle training. filed engineering, airport secur~y, jail 2. Foot Drill, Rfims Drill. security, VIP security, etc.

3. Weapons training. 5. Training of women Constables is oriented more towards handling 4. Riot Drill and Tear smoke han- of women activists, demonstra- dling. tors, etc.

5. Police pUbhc relations. Performance of Shipping lines in International Trade 6. Protection to weaker sections of society. 6767. SHRI M.M. PALLAM RAJU: Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be 7. First-aid, hygiene and santtation. pleased to state:

8. Fire fighting, rescue and relief (a) the number of the major Indian operation. shipping companies and the number of their fleet that are operating in India and for over- 9. Map reading, Road marching, seas trade: Law, CRPF. Act and Rules. (b) the competitive performance of our 10. General awareness of Indian shipping lines in international trade in terms history, Human psychology, of service, reliability and costs; General knowledge, etc. (c) the existing facil~ies that are being 11. Handling of women activists. improved to give the Indian operators a 311 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written AnswelS 312 competitive e~ge in the international market; performance of Indian shlppmg companies and vis-a-vis foreign shipping companies is available primarily due to the absence of (d) whether the revenues being earned data pertaining to foreign flag ships. from operations in the internattonal market are showing an upward trend? The Indian shipping Companies have, THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- however, been competing successfully with PORT (SHAI K.P. UNNIKAISHNAN): (a) foreign shipping companies in the interna- The information is given in the attached tional market. This is evident from the in- Statement. creasing volume of overseas traffic lifted by Indian vessels as indicated in the table be- (b) No comparative analysIs of the low:

Year Tolal Overseas Traffic Traffic Ufted by Indian Ships (Million Tonnes) (Million Tonnes)

2 3

1955-56 1743 1.13

1975-76 61.95 21.76

1985-86 86.35 29.95

1987-88 88.07 34.30

1988-89 101.95 34.63

(c) The Government has adopted sev- scrapping of ships. eral measures to assist the Indian operators to make them more competitive In the Inter- (V) Modffication of pari-passu obliga- natIOnal market These measures include: tlon.

(I) Grant ot fiscal incentives (vi) Encouragement for acquisition of modern, fuel efficient ships. (Ii) Streamlining of licensing proce- dures has enabled qUicker ship (vii) Financial incentives through in- acquisitIon in the fluctuatIng inter- terest subsidies. natlonal markets. (VIII) Construction of new port ofNhava (Iii) Cargo preference for Indian own- Sheva and improvements in pon ers by Transchart in the move- infrastructure and cargo handling mpnt of bulk cargoec;. facilities in other ports.

(iv) Simpiriication of the procedure for (d) Yes, Sir. The operating earnrng~ 313 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 314 during the last 3 years by 16 Private Sector ration of 1ndia are given below: Shipping Companies and Shipping Corpo-

(Rs. in crores)

Year 16 Private Shipping companies Shipping Corporation of India

2 3

1986-87 Rs.367.88 As. 703.24

1987-88 Rs.431.73 Rs.808.05

1988-89 Rs.556.34 RS.846.18*

*(Provisional figures converted for 12 months)

STATEMENT

Details of the nurnLJer of thj:l Major Shippmg Companies and the number of their fleet that arE' operatinq In InC1la and for overseas trade (as on 31.12.1989)

51. No. Name of the compdOV Number of Ships

Coastal Overseas

2 3 4

ShipPing CorporatIon of India 24 102

2. Oil and Natural Gas CommiSSion 239

3. Great rastern Shipping Company Lid. 4 29

4 t:SSClr {,hipping Company Ltd. 15 7

5. Indlll Steamships Ltd. 18

6. SCl~dl;:} Stpam Nowigation Company 13

7. Century ShiPping 12

8. Summdrrl Oversea:> Ltd. 9

9 9. Sr.w 1-: I')di~ ShIPP':"lg Cmpora!ll')n

7 , O. Chowgu1o Ste8msh,r.s Ltd 315 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written Answers 316

2 3 4

11. Garware ShIpPing 5 2

12, Varun ShIpping Company Ltd. 3 4

13. Larsen arid Tubro Ltd 5

14. Jay Shree Shipping Ltd. 5

Setting lip of Rural Telephone Ex- tion of the villages as also nearby villages changE) in Rajasthan Wliere these exchanges would be installed.

f'7i3 Q SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA: Foreign Nationals In india Will the MInister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state.' 6770. SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA: Will the Minister of HOME AfFAIRS be pleased (a) the names of areas of Rajasthan to state: where the Rural Excl-}a"ges are likely to be set up under Technology Mission dunng the (a) the total number of nationals of current ann the enc;ulng financial. year: China, Japan. Tibet, Indonesia, MalaysIa resIding in India as on 28 February. 1990: (b) the rural areas of Rajasthan to- and gether wIth Its population whICh IS lIkely to benefit under thR 3bvoe scheme: and (b) the number of nationals of these countries granted asylum in India during the (c) the nUIT'!'1pr of telpphones ilk ely to bP. last three years? Installed unner th~' a~ovi; schcm'e? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MIN1STRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) The informa- JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) In rural areas tion IS bemg collected and will be laid down of Rajasthan. Department plans to set up 65 on the table of the House. number of telephone exchanges dUring current fInancial year and 75 numbers dur- (b) Nil. ing the ensuing financIal year. These exchanges will o;pre:ld over all rural areas of Proposal Submitted by Gujarat for Ralasthan. Supply of drinking water

(b) and (c). Under the abo,,€, scheme '500 numbers of telephones are likely to be 6771. SHRI KASHIRAM RANA: installed during the current financial year SHRI G.K. SHEKHADA: and 2500 numbers during the ensUIng financial year depending on the actual demand. Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be The benefits will extend to the entire papula- pleased to state: 317 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6.1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 318

(a) whether Government of Gujarat pension as on 31 March, 1990: have submitted the proposal for supplying the drinking water for Saurashtra and Kutch (b) the number of applications for pen- through pipe-line from the river Narmada for sion of eligible widows pending as on 31 approval of Union Government; and March, 1990, district-wise:

(b) if so, when the sanctIOn to this (c) the reasons for which pension has proposal is likely to be accorded? not been sanctioned to them; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) when the pension is likely to be DEPARTMENT OF RURAL DEVELOP- sanctioned in each case? MENT IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL- TURE (SHRI UP~NDRA NATH VERMA): THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) Yes, Sir. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) to (d). Infor- (b) The Central Government IS likely to mation IS being collected from the Govern- convey Its decision to the State Government ment of Punjab and will be laid on the Table by the end of May. 1 990. of the House.

Meeting of INDO-Pak Joint Commission Import of Telephone Instruments

6772. SHRIJANARDHANA POOJARY: 6774. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: Will Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be the Mmlster of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state. pleasE'd to state:

(a) whpth&r any meeting of Indo-Pak (a) the quantity and value of items JOint Commission for normaliSing r£!lattons Imported dunng the last three years, year- between the two countries wa<=. held in March. wise. In connection with the manufacture 1990: and maintenance of telephone exchanges. push-button instruments, cable and other (b) if so, the detad~ thereof:.and Instruments: and

(c) the Qutr:ol1e thereof? (b) the quantity and value of items proposed to be imported dUring 1990-91? THE MINSTER OF EXTERNAL AF- FAIRS (SHRII.K. GU,JRAL): (a) No Sir THE MINISTER OF STATE OF fHE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) and (c) Does not atlse JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) and (b). The information IS being collelcted and will be laid Pension to Widows of Victims of on Table of the House. Terrorism in Punjab Replacement of Chairman of IFFCO, 6773. SHRI KIRPAL SINGH: Will the KRIBHCO and NAFED Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 6775. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: Will (a) the number of widows of victims of the Minister of AGRICUL TU8E be pleased terrorism in Punjab who are being given to stat8. 319 Written Ans~rs APRIL 26, 1990 Wrlttsn Answel$ 320

(a) whether Govemment have r¢ty (a) the State-wise area of unculti- replaced the Chairmen of IFFCO. KAIBHCO vable land in the coutnry; and NAFED; and (b) the steps taken or contemplated to (b) if so. the details thereof? bring the uncultivated land under cultivation; ~nd THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVil SUPPLIES (SHRf NA THU RAM MfADHA): (c) the results achieved in this regard? (a) and (b). According to the Bye-laws of NAFED and lFFCO. Chairman has to be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE elected by the Board of Directors from among DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND themselves. The Board of Directors of COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF NAFED elected a new Chairman on 22nd AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): January. 1990. The Board of Directors of (a) Out of the total geographical area of IFFCOelected a new Chairman of 26.3.1990. about 329 million ha .• according to current The Government of India had nominated the estimates, an extent of about 41-42 million Chairman of KAIBHCO on 19th December, ha. IS classified as uncuhivated land includ- 1989 under its Transitory Bye-laws, which ing permanent pasture and grazing lands, ceased to be effective from l' th April, 1990. miscellaneous tree crops, groves. culturable The Board of Directors of KAIBHeO elected wastelands, fallows other than current fal- the same person as Chairman on 11.4.1990 lows. A statement showing State-wise infor- under the Bye-Laws'which are now appli· mation is attached. cable. (b) and (c). Though the State and Cen- Conversion of Uncuflivated land Into tral Governments are undertaking pro- Agritultural Land grammes for bringing the uncultlvatedlwaste- lands under bio-mass production primarily for fuel and fodder. increased agricultural 6776. SHRt PRAKASH V. PATtL: Will production is sought to be achieved though the Minister of AGRICUl TURE be p1eased vertical growth in productivity rather than to state: though horizontal spread.

STATEMENT

State,VT-Wise Details of Uncultivated Area (1986-87)

(Area In OOO"ha.)

S,No. NafTle of StatelUT Extent of uncultIvated land

2 3

1. Andhra Pradesh 3505

2. Aruracl1al Pr ade::;h 140

3. Assam 619 321 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written MswelS 322

2 3

4. Bihar 1840

5. Goa 101

6. Gujarat 2852

7. Haryana 52

8. Himachal Pradesh 1384

9. Jammu & Kashmir 356

10. Karnataka 2385

11. Kerala 208

12. Madhya Pradesh 5481

13. Maharashtra 3740

14. Manipur 24

15. Meghalaya 877

16. Mizoram 340

17. Nagaland 518

18. Orissa 2246

19. Punjab 44

20. Rajasthan 9843

21. Sikkim 84

22. Tamil Nadu 1559

55 23. Tripura .2849 24. Ut1;u Pradesh 326 25. West Bengal 43 26. Andan~<\n & Nicobar 323 Written AnsMHS APRil 26, 1990 WItten AnstMs 324

2 3

27. Chandigarh

28. Dadra & Nagar Haveli 1 •

29. Delhi 20

30. Daman & Diu 4

31. Lakshadweep

32. Pondicherry 5

Total: 41481

Arms and Ammunitions with Extremists Pistols 62 in Punjab AK-47 Chinese 6777. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDI~: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Assault Rifles 32 pleased to state: Ak154156J74 rifles 7 (a) the details of arms seized from the extremists In Punlab during thp. last four Other rifles '1 months: Guns 18 (b) the assessment of Government about the extent of arms and arnmunitions Stenguns 3 with the extremist~ in and around Punjab: and Carbmes 2

(c) steps taken to unearth ~nd s~ze lMG/$MG/MMG these arms? Mousers 4 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Hand-grenades 23 SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) Accordlngto Bombs 6 information received from the Government of Punjab, the following arms and ammuni- Rockets 10 tions have been seized during the three months from December 1989 to Feb. 1990: Rocket lunchers

Revolvers 34 Cartridges 6673 325 Wdtten Answers. VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 326

Some exptoswe material has also been Institutes under ICAR on cuiturs of table size recovered/seized. fish.

Pre-fabricated plastic cages are used 6780. SHRI ANWAR AHMAD: Will the presently f("lr reari"9 seed in some of the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased States such as Ta.mil Nadu. Maharashtra, to state: etc. Feasibility studies have also been car- ned out on cage culture of fish in reservoirs (a) whether Government propose to by some of th~ State Governments such as install an electronic telephone. exchange in Kerala and Goa through foreign assistance. Unnao district and if so, the details of the Research and rievelopment studies are being pffective steps being taken by Government camedout at the Cp.:1t~al Fisheries Research in thrs regard; and 327 Wnlt9n Answers APRfl26, 1990 Written Answers 328

(b) the time by which electronic ex- PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNlKRtSHNAN): (a) change will be installed there and the details Yes, Sir. The Committee submitted its final in that regard? report to the Government on 13.3.90.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) .The main conclusions of the Com- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI mittee are: JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. Steps are being taken to instal a 1000 Hnes elec- (i) There does nat seem to be a tronic exchange equipment and also provide case to reduce the Terminal necessary transmission medium to Kanpur. Handling Charges (THC) cur- rently being levied at Bombay. (b) The electronic exchange is expected to be installed durmg 1991-92 sub- (ii) There seems to be little possi- ject to receipt of necessary equipments bility of sCientifically concluding and arriving at any ideal freight [English] rate for each commodity which could be valid over any period Recommendations of the Committee on of time. The Committee, there- International Sea Freight Charges fore, carried out a comparative study of freight rates of 19 6781. SHAI K.S. RAO: common commodities, as given SHRt B.N. REDDY: by the All India Shippers' Coun- SHRIMATI J. JAMUNA: cil, moving from India and neigh- SHRI T. BAlA GOUD: bouring countries to the same destinations. This study has Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANS- brought outthatthefreight rates PORT be pleased to state: were, more or less, comparable to those obtaining from adjoin- (a) whether the Committee headed by ing ports. the Director General of Shipping constituted in October. 1988 for studymg the interna- (iii) On the basis of material made tional sea freight charges has submitted its available to it, the committe was report: not able to make any categori- cal recommendations as to how (b) if so, the details of the recommenda- the freight rates could be re- tionsmade: duced and how this fador was coming in the way of Indian (c) whether shippers have expressed exports. their reservations about the recommendations and pleaded that the matter be referred to either the NatIOnal InstItute of Port Man- (c) The All India Shippers' Council has agement or the Bureau of the Industrial suggested to the Committee that the task of Costs and Prices; and periodic assessment of fair and reasonable THC could be entrusted to an official agency (d) if so, the readion of Government such as the National 'nst~ute of Port Man- thereto? agement or the Bureau of Industrial Costs and Prices or such other agency as the THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Government might think fit. 329 Written Answers VAfSAkHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 330

(d) The Committee did not make any calender years; recommendations in this regard. The Com- mittee noted. however, that about 7~ 75% of (c) whether Govemment have made the THC are comprised of charges notified any study regarding involvement of women by the Bombay Port Trust and the Bombay in pick-pocketing; Dock labour Board and, therefore, any reduction in THC is possible only Hthe noti- (d) if so, the details thereof and H not, fied charges are reduced. Moreover, the the reasons therefor? \ THe are decided by the shipping lines after taking into account their costs and marketing (e) whether the Government propose to strategies and interaction between the ship- post plainclothes women police staff at all ping lines and the shippers. public places of Delhi to curb pick-pocketing by women: and Women Plck-pockets in Deihl (f) if so, the details thereof and if not, the 6782. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. reasons therefor? BHOSAlE: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE tN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI (a) whether women-pick pockets are on SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) and (b). The the increase in Delhi; details regarding number of cases of pick- pocketing by women and women arrested (b) if so, the details of women pick- during the last three calender years are pockets arrested during the last three given below:-

Year No. of cases reported No. of women a"ested

2 3

1987 25

1988 15 19

1989 21 25

(c) No. Sir. (a) the details of Railway special serv- Ices run by Delhi Transport Corporation to (d) Does not arise. several localities of Delhi;

(e) and (f). Plain clothes staff including (b) the criteria for provision of such women police are detailed at busy bus stands services only in certain localities; and busy markets to check thiS crime. (c) whether this service has been found Railway Special Services under DTC quite useful and more resourceful for D.T.C.:

6783. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. (d) whether D.T.C. propose to provide BHOSALE: Will the Minister of SURFACE th IS service to certain more localities of Delhi l'RANSPOR1 be p\eased to state'. like Moti Bag, South Avenue, R.K. Puram, 331 Written .AnsW91$ APRJl26. 1990 Wrlttsn Answts 332

VasantGaon, etc. during 1990 and 1991~ Services. However. they are operated on major trunk routes of Delhi keeping in view (e) Wso, the places so selected; and the larger interest of the traveHing public.

(f) if not the reasons therefor? (c) These services are found useful for the public. OlC's earning per K.M. from THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Railway Special Services is far less than the PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) A Cost of operation per K.M. statement giVing details of Railway Special Service run by Delhi Transport Corporation (d) to (f). R.K. Puram is served by is given in the attached statement. Railway Special Services RL-S1 and RL-61. It is not proposed to introduce Railway Special (b) There IS no hard and fast criteria for Services to other localities on account of determining the routes of Railway Special fleet constraints. 333 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 334

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Krlshl Vigyan Kendra In Krishna exchanges are planned to be commissioned District, Andhra Pradesh o'n the avaHability of equipment.

6784. SHRIMATI CHENNUPATI (c) Replacement of Obra automatic VIDYA: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE exchange is not due at present and equip- be pleased to state: ment for expansion has already been allotted. (a) whether Government propose to set up Krishi Vigyan Kendra in Krishna District of [English1 Andhra Pradesh, for the development of agriculture In this region: and Repsesantltlon from Karala In Coconut Development Board (b) If so, when It IS likely to be set up? 6786. SHRI K. MURALEEDHARAN: THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): pleased to state: (a) No. SIr. (a) whether Kerata State has proper (b) Question does not anse. representation in the Coconut development Board; and [ Translation] (b) if not, whether Government propose Conversion of Telephone Exchanges In to reconstitute the board with proper repre- Uttar Pradesh s~ntat;on from Kerala?

6785. SHRI SUBEDAR: Will the Minis- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND state: COOPERATION IN THE MINISmV OF AGRICULTURE (SHRr NITISH KUMAR): (a) whether Government propose to (a) Yes, Sir. convert telepnone exchanges in Chunar In Mirzapur District and Shaktl Nagar, Ranukut, (b) Does not arise. Dbra and Churk In Sonbhadra district in Uttar Pradesh. IOto electronic exchanges: Drug Peddlars Arrested by Deihl Police (b) If so. the steps taken in this regard: and 6787. SHRI RAM SAGAR (Saidpur): (c) If not, the reasons therefor? Will the Minister of HOME AFfAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (a) the number of drug peddlars ar- JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes Sir, except rested by Delhi Police during the last one telephone eychange in Obra. year: and

(b) Elp.ctronlc exchanges of suitable (b) the action taken against them and to capac~y stands allotted for Chunar. Shakti- book the criminals dealing in drug traffick- nagar, Ranukul and Churk. These electronic ing? 341 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 342

THE MINISTER STATE IN THE MINIS- (c) the steps taken for implementing the TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRr'SUBOOH scheme? KANT SAHAY): (a) 1389 persons were arrested during 1989. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) Action against all the arrested per- , JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) Yes, Sir. sons has since been initiated. Following measures were taken to book the criminal (b) Yes, Sir by March, 1990. dealing in drug trafficking: (c) (i) Som~ active drug traffickers! smugglers operating inter- (1) In order to expand and mod· State and also internationally ernise Karungappally Tele· have been identified. phone exchange it is proposed to replace the present electro- (ii) Special watch IS being main- mechanical telephone ex· tained at the entry and exit change by an electronic ex· points ofthe UT of Delhi against change of suitable capacity drug trafficking. during 8th Plan period.

(iii) Tlie bail of drug traffickers, who (2) For providing STC facility a are sent to Judicial custody in reliable transmission medium drug cases is strongly opposed is required between Karungap- in courts. pally and Trivandrum Trunk automatic exchange. The (iv) Cases of major drug traffick- microwave Tower and power ers are moved for preventive plant have been used to com- detention to the Deihl Admn. munision a UHF link between under the prOVIsIon of the Karungapally and Quilon Be· Narcotic Drugs and Psy- tween Quilon-Trivandrum an chotropic Sl!~stances Act, optical Fibre link is planned to 1985. be commissioned during 1990- 91. STO facility would become Expansion and Modernisation of feasible soon after commis- Karungapally Telephone Exchange sioning of above scheme using the existing automatic 6788. SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: Will exchange. the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: Problems faced by Mechanised Fishing Industry (a) whether representations have been received from the people and organisations 6789. SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: Will for the expansion and modernisation of the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased Karungapally Telephone Exchange; to state:

(b) whether power plant and microwave (a) whether Government are aware of tower for providing S.T.D. facility have been the problems of mechanised fishing industry constructed and if so when; and in Kerala; 343 Written Answers APRil 26, 1990 Written Answ9rs 344

(b) whether Government have received generaUy priced lower than other packs of any memorandum from the All Kerala Mecha- similar edible oils available in the market and nised Fishing Boat operators AssociatiOn, hence the question of making efforts to bring Cochin for diesel subsidy; and down 'Dhara' prices does not arise.

(c) ~ so, the steps taken by Government (c) and (d). Under the Essential Com- to resolve the criSIS face by the industry? modities act State Governments are em- powered to issue orders pertaining to licens- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ing, control and stock declaration of essen- DEPARTMENT OF AGRIGUl TURE AND tial articles. However, the sale, purchase COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF and storage of essential article by or on AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): behalf of the Central Government is ex- (a) Yes. Sir. cluded from the Order. NDDB buys, stocks and sells edible oilseeds/oils on behaff of the (b) and (c). A memorandum from the All Central Government in implementation of Kerala Mechanised Flshmg Boat Operators' the Integrated Policy on Oilseeds. Association, eoch;n was received- only on 10.4.1990 by the Agriculture Mmistry. No ( Trans/ation1 decision has been taken on the contents of the Memorandum so far. Fire In High Rise Buildings

Sale Price of Edible Ofl'Dhara' 6791. SHRI SARJU PRASAD SAROJ: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 6790. SHRI Y S. RAJA. SEKHAR pleased to state: REDDY: Will the Minister of AGRICUL- TURE be pleased to state (a) the number of multi-storeyed commercial and reSidential buildings In Delhi (a) whether the NatIonal DaIry Devel- alongwith the names of their owners and opment Board IS selling Its own product occupants which sllll do not have proper fire 'Ohara' at prtces higher than those of the safety equipment; same &

(b) [ Translation]

87-88 136 Telephone Service In Bihar

88-89 132 67.93. SHRI RAM SHARAN YADAV: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 89-90 137 pleased to state:

(c) Notices under the Delhi Fire Preven- (a) whether telecommunication service tion and Fire Safety Act, 1986 have been in the State of Bihar particularty of Katihar issued and follow-up action in~iated to en- and Diyara in district Khagaria is unsatisfac- sure compliance of fire-safety requirements. tory; 3 buildings, which did not have prescribed fire safety requirements and where incidents (b) if so, whether Government propose of fire had taken place, were sealed. to improve the telephone service in Bihar; and (d) The Chief Fire Officer and the nominated authorities conduct periodic sur- (c) if so, the details in this regard and if veys ofthe defauhlng buildings. As a resuH of not, the reasons therefor? these surveys, private buildings have formed associations which has yielded consider- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE able progress. CPWO have set-up a sepa- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI rate cell for providing 12 safety requirements JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) No, Sir. how- in the buildings and. have take.n suitable eyer, interruption in service in Diyara belt of measures for getting the fire safety require- Khagaria District occurs during rainy season ments implemented. because of heavy floods which dislocate the lines and repairs are possible only after flood [English]. waters recede.

Amount Sanctioned for Four laning of (b) and (c). Khagaria District Headquar- National Highway No. 47 in ... Kerala ter exchange has been converted into electronic exchange with SID facility. During the 8th Plan the Department has a programme 6792. PROF. SAVITHRI lAKSH- to improve the services in Bihar by: MANAN: Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased to state th.e total (i) Converting old type of amount sanctioned for four laning of Alwaye Strowger exchanges and to Vytilla and Aroor to Shertallai sections of manual exchanges by elec- National Highway No. 47 in Kerala? tronic exchanges.

(ii) Linking Rural telephone in THE MINISTEROF SURFACE TRANS- Diyara belt area on Multi Ac- PORT (SHRr KP. UNNIKRISHNAN); Esti- cess Radio Relay system. mates costing Rs. 501.91 lakhs, covering surveys and investigations, and land acqui- snion from Alwaye to Edapally, have been (iii) providing engine altemators in sanctioned so far in respect of four-Ianing of most of the exchanges to NH 47 in Kerala. improve the power supply. 347 Written Answers APRil 26, 1990 Written AnswelS 348

Drinking Water In Punjab (d) The provision made by the State Government in its budget for 1990-91 is Rs. 6794. S. ATINDER PAL SINGH: Will 2.75 crores for drinking water for towns and the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased Rs. 18croresunderMNPforruralareas. The .to state: allocation for 1990-91 is Rs. 3.804 crores under ARWSP and Rs. 1.65 crores for Mini (a) the details of Municipal Commit- Mission Project Areas. teeslNotified Area Committees and rural blocks, separately, in Punjab where facility (e) All 948 residual PVs are likely to be of safe and purified drinking water has been provided safe drinking water facilities by t~e made available; end of VIII Plan. 34 uncovered towns are likely to be covered by the end of the Dec- (b) whether Government propose to ade. formulate a scheme to provide safe and purified drinking water in all those areas (f) The target for rural areas for 1990-91 where it has not yet been made available; is to cover 100 hardcore PVs and 270 other peripheral villages. About 13 partially cov· (c) if so, the details thereof? ered towns are likely to be taken up in 1990- 91. Cd) the total amount being allocated to Punjab for the purpose dUring the current Conversion of Telephone Exchanges in financial year; Raipur

(e) the time by which the target of 6795. SHRI NAND KUMAR SAl: Will providing safe drinking water in all areas is the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be likely to be achieved; and pleased to state:

(f) the details of the target fixed for the (a) whether Government propose to year 1990-91? convert the existing telephone exchange in Raipur into an electronic exchange: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF RURAL DEVELOP- (b) if so, when; and MENT IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL- TURE (SHRr UPENDRA NATH VERMA): (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (a) Out of 2254 problem villages (PVs) as on 1.4.85 and 129 towns, 1306 PVs and 95 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE towns have been covered fully or partially MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI with safe drinking water facilities upto the JANESHWAR MISHRA): (a) No, Sir. end of Seventh Five Year Plan.

(b) Does not arise. (b) and (c). Schemes for towns are taken up under State Sector Plan and those for PVs under State Sector Minimum Needs (c) The existing Exchange equipment Programme (MNP) and Centrally Sponsored has not outlived its life and hence no replace- Accelerated Rural Water Supply Programme ment has been planned. However, the add;- (ARWSP) depending upon annual plan out- tional demand are being met from the newly lay. installed electronic RLU Exchange. 349 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Writt9fl Answ9rs 350

[English] (a) whether complaints have been received during the year 1989 regarding Poor Telephone Service in Bhubanes- black marketing of cinema tickets in Delhi; war and

6796. SHRI GOPI NATH GAJAPATHI: (b) if so, the details thereof and the Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be action taken thereon? pleased to state: • THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the Bhubaneswar tele- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRJ phones are remaining out of order most of SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) and (b). Dur- the time: ing 1989, 167 cases were registered under Punjab Cinema Regulation Act and 177 (b) if so, the reasonsforthe poor service pp.rsons arrested, Of these 153 persons of Bhubaneswar telephones: ami have since been convicted.

(c) thp. steps taken to improve the South Korea's Membership of United telephone SElrvicp at Bhuban~swar? Nations

THE MINISTER OF- STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATfONS (SHRI 6799. SHRI PARASRAM BHARDWAJ: JANESHWAn MISHRA): (a) No, Sir. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) There was some increase in fault rate in February and March 90 dUE! to abnormally hoavy ramfall. (a) whetherthe South Korea has sought help form India and other non-aligned coun- (c) New Electronic exchange has been tries for becoming a member of teh United commissioned. The external plant has also Nations: been upgrC'lded

Speed Post Service in Punjab (b) If so, the qetails in this regard: and

6797. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY Will the Minrster of COMMUNICATIONS be (c) the reaction of Government thereto? pleased to state the place brought within the reach of "Speed Post"durlng 19891n Punjab? THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, Sir, MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI JANESHWAR MISHRA): No plnce in Punjab has been brought into the Speed Post net- (b) and (c). India supports all efforts work in th.e year 1989. aimed at the peaceful reunification of Korea. In conformity with the principle of universal- Black Markeling of CI'1ema Tickets ity India supports the aspirations of the Ko- rean people to actively contribute towards 6798. SHRJ J.P. AGARWAL Will the the realization of the purposees and prin- Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to ciples of the United Nations through repre- state: sentation in the world body. 351 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written Answers 352

[ Translationl agricultural produce by the industry, it may not be advisable to adopt reservation policy . Agro Based Industries [English] 6800. S. ATINDER PAL SINGH: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased Million wells Programme (Jeevandhara) to state: for Scheduled Castel/Scheduled Tribes

(a) whether any survey has been con- 6801. SHRI J. CHOKKA RAO: Will the ducted or study paper has been prepared by Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to Government regarding industrial units which state: can be established based on agricultural producer: (a) whether Government are aware that million wells programme (Jeevandhara) (b) if so. the details thereof: taken up for Scheduled Castes and Sched- uled Tribes from 1988-89 has helped in (c) whether reqUisite world class tech- upliftment of the weaker sections; nologies available for this purpose in the country: (b) nso, the numberof pucca wells built for SCs/STs. State-wise so far; (d) whether Government propose to reserve the liceflces for agro-based indus- (c) the funds still required for the re- trial units for tl1e farmers orthe cooperatives maining wells; 'of the farmers only. (d) whether Government would allocate (e) if so. the details thereof: and additional funds to complete all the wells;

(f) if not; the reasons therefor? (e) whether this scheme would be a continued and other schemes taken up for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the welfare of the weaker sections in rural DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND India: and COOPERATtON IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): (f) if so, the details thereof? (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. Variouc; studies are conducted from time to time for development THE MINISTER OF STATE FOR of various sectors of Food Processing Indus- RURAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINIS- tries including fruit and vegetable process- TRY OF AGRtCUL TURE (SHRI UPENDRA ing. meat processing, marine fisheries and NATH VERMA): (a) Yes, Sir. Small Scale Industries etc. (b) The number of wells reported to (c) Yes. Sir. have been constructed under the Million Wells Scheme (the correct name of the (d) and (e). Government has not pro- Scheme) State-wise, so tar, have been in- posal at present to reserve the licence for dicted in the Statement-A. agro-based industrial units forthe farmers or the co-operatives of the farmers. . (c) and (d). The Million Wells Scheme (MWS) was launched during the year 1988- (f) Due to meagre utilisation of the 89. The requirement of resources for the 353 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 354 scheme during the year constituted the first ment is implementing two major programmes charge on the resources of wage employ4 of Jawahar Rozgar Yojna (JRY) and Inte- ment programmes released to the States! grated Rural Development Programme Union Territories during the year. ·As such, it (IRDP), which have the earmarked provi- was fully funded. MWS was continued dur- sions for the benefit of the SCslSTs and ing 1989-90 also. The requirements of funds treed bonded labourers amongst the weaker for the Scheme were required be met out of sections of rural India. Both the programmes the 15% resources earmarked for Individual are being continued during the 1990-91. beneficiary-oriented schemes for Scheduled Castes (SCs)fScheduled Tribes (STs) un- dertheJawaharRozgarYojana. DUring 1990- Besides, Central and Centrally Spon- 91, Rs. 524.62 crores which is 20% of the scred Schemes meant for the development total allocations under the Jawahar Rozgar of SCs/STs being implemented by the Min- Yojna have been earmarked for the MVS. Istry of Welfare, the details of which are given in Statement-B, will also be continued (e) and (f). Rural Development Depart- dUring the current financial year.

STATEMENT -A

51. No. State/VTs. No. of Wells reported to have been constructed so far (Nos.)

2 3

1 . Andhra Pradesh 17211

2. Arunachal Pradesh

3. Assam

4. Bihar 39034

5. Goa 8

6. Gujarat 7737

7. Haryana

8. Himachal Pradesh 37

9. Jammu & Kashmir. 113

10. Karnataka 2399

11. Kerala 188

12. Madhya Pradesh 5069 355 Written Answers APRtl 26, 1990 Written Answers 356

1 2 3

13. Maharashtra 7444

14. Manlpur 19

15. Meghalaya

16. Mlzoram

17. Nagaland 44

18. Orissa 11245

19. Punjab

20. Rajasthan 9399

21. Slkklm

22. Tamil Nadu 6143

23 Tnpura

24. Uttar Pradesh 464

25. West Bengal 2663

26 A&N Island

27. Chandlgarh

28. D & N Havel! 30

29. Deihl

30. Daman & DIu

31 Lakshadweep

32. Pondtcherry

Total 109247 357 Written Answers VAISAKHA6, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnSwelS 358

STATEMENT-8 1. Construction and setting up of GirJs Hostels for Scheduled The details of the Central and Centrally Castes and Scheduled Tribes Sponsored Schemes the development of Communities. Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tnbes under the Ministry of Welare, Govern- 8. Construction and setting up of ment of India. Boys Hostels for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes The Ministry of Welfare have the follow- Communities. ing Central and Centrally sponsored Schemes for the development of Scheduled 9. Coaching and allied schemes Castes and Scheduled Tribes. for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes candidates 1. Special Central assistance to to appear in Examinations; stateslUTs as an additive to their special Component plans 10. Aid to Voluntary Organisations for the development of Sched- engaged in the welfare of uled Caste people Scheduled Castes and Sched- uled Tribes. 2. SpeCial Central Assistance to State Governments to supple- 11. Schemes of Development of ment their efforts in Tribal Oil Seeds of tree and forest Development. origin.

3. Income. generating schemes 12. Share Capital contribution to sponsored by the Scheduled Tribal Cooperative Marketing Castes Developme nl Corpo- Federation (TRIFED). rations in the States/UTs. The Corporations have been con- 13. Schemes for establishment of stituted with an aim to interfac- Ashram Schools in TSP Area. ing SC and ST families with financial institutions in respect [ Translation] of bankable schemes of economic development. Drinking Water Scarcity In Rajasthan

4. Post-Matric Scholarships for 6802. PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT: Scheduled Castes and Sched- Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be uled Tribes students. pleased to state:

5. Pre-MatricScholarshlpsforthe (a) whether Union Government pro- children of those engaged in pose to formulate any special plan to solve "unclean occupations". drinking water problem in Rajasthan:

(b) whether deepwell drilling machines 6. Book Banks Scheme for have been imported by Government for the Scheduled Caste/Scheduled purpose; Tribe students. in Medical. and Engineering Colleges. (c) nso, the details thereof; 359 Written Answers APRIL 26, 199tJ Written Answers 360

(d) the number such machines proposed production of cotton in the current season? to be provided to Rajasthan and by which time these are to be given to the State; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND (e) whether State Government have COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF submitted any memorandum to Union Gov- AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): ernment in this regard; and (a) and (b). The Government have fixed the minimum support prices of Kapas of Fair (f) if so, the details thereof?' Average Quality (FAQ) basic varieties Le. F- 4141H-777 and H-4 at As. 570 per quintal THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and As. 690 per quintal resepectlvely for the DEPARTMENT OF RURAL DEVELOP- 1989-90 cotton season (i.e. September- MENT IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL- August). TURE (SHRI UPENDRA NATH VERMA): (a) Drinking wate~ problem In rural areq.s In (c) The official estimates cotton produc- Rajasthan IS being solved udnder the State tion are not yet due. However, out of estI- Sector Mtnimum Needs Programme and the mated market arrivals of 113.36 lakh bales, Centrally Sponsored Accelerated Rural the Cotton Corporation of India (CCI) has Water Supply Programme. purchased 10.65 lakh bales of cotton (till 9.4.90). 01 the total arrivals, 21 lakh bales (b) and (c). Government of India has belong to Maharashtra where the support received a 'Gift' of SIX rotary drilling rigs from operations are undertaken by the Mahar- USSR as drought assistance. ashtra State Cooperative Marketing Federa- tion under the Monopoly Procurement (d) Out of these rigs, four rigs have been Scheme. deployed in Rajasthan. Purchase of Groundnut Oil (e) No. Sir 6804. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO (f) Does not anse. BRAHMBHA TI: Will the Minister of AGRI- CULTURE be pleased to state: [English] (a) whether NDDB did not purchase Support Price of Cotton groundnut from farmers particularly small and marginal farmers directly or through 6803. SrlRI CHinA BASU: Will the cooperative institutions but groundnut oil Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to from traders: state: (b) if so, the reasons therefor; (a) whether Government propose to revIse the support prrce of cotton as rt IS not (C) whether State Government has remunerative; requested Union Government to advise NDDBto release groundnut oil inopen market (b) if not, the reasons therefor; and of GUJarat; and

(c) what is the percentage of purchase (d) if so, the reasons of Government by the Cotton Corporation of India of the total thereto? 361 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 362

THE MINtsTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL (b) Yes, Sir. SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRQHA): (a) and (b). The NODB under the market (c) Consuttations are taking place intervention operations financed the oilseeds among the Governments of SAARC mem- growers cooperatives for purchase of ground- ber countries and, in particular, between the nut. Membership of these cooperatives Governments of Sri lanka and the Maldives consists largely of small and marginal farm- to resolve this issue. Pakistan'S Foreign ers. NO DB purchases groundnut oil from the Minister, in his capacity as the representa- open market apart from the growers'. coop- tive of the current Chairperson of SAARC, is eratives so as to achieve the objectives of playing an active role in these consultations. the market intervention operations. Government of India would go along with any decision that may be arrived at following (c) and (d). The Government of Gujarat the conclusion of these consultations. has requested the Central Government to advise NODS to relea'se groundnut oil in the open market in Gujarat in order to control Indo-US Discussions on Security prices of groundnut oil. The current ground- Issues nut oil prices are within the prescribed limits and NODS would release its stock In such a way as to maintain the wholesale prices of 6806. SHRI SHANTILAl PURUSHOT- edible oils broadly within the prescribed lim ~s. TAM DAS PATEL: Will the Minister of However, NODB continues to market ground- EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: nut oil in consumer packs under brand name "Ohara". (a) whether India had discussions with US on regional and global security issues:

SAARC Summit (b) ff so, the specffic issues on which US had dialogue with India in this regard;

6805. SHRI A.R. ANTULAY: Will the (C) whether US has agreed to provide Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased mil~ary assistance to India; and to state: (d) ff so, to what extent and whether the (a) whethertheSAARCsummitof1990 Government have agreed for the same? is scheduled to be held in Maldives: THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- (b) whether the Sri lankan Govern- FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, Sir. ment have recently insisted that the SAARC Summit earlier scheduled to be held in 1989 (b) The dialogue has covered a wide in Colombo (Sri Lanka) be held there itself in range of issues, such as: the situation in 1990; and Afghanistan and Indo-China, developments in the South Asian Region, US-Soviet rela- (c) Hso, the stand of Government of tions, the changes taking place in East Eu- India in the matter? rope, etc. [ (c) No, Sir. It was never sought. , THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, Sir. (d) Does not arise. 363 Written AnSwelS APRIL 26, 1990 Written AnswBIS 364

Regional Conference. of Ilver.. as ice at the appropriate time. The resumption Indians of the ferry service has to be a joint decision of both Governments of India and Sri lanka 6807. SHRr YADVENDRA DATT: Will and cannot be taken unilateratly. the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) Government have no information as to whether the Govt. of Sri Lanka have plans (a) whether Government have received to introduce a ferry service on this route. from overseas Indians a suggestion for organising regional conferences of overseas Grant of Asylum to Indian. Indians; and 6809. SHAI GUMAN MAL LODHA: Will (b) if so, whether Government have the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be agreed to extend co-operation and assis- pleased to state the number of Indian nation- tance in the proposal? ais who have been granted asylum in China, Japan, Indonesia and Malaysia during the THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- last three years? FAIRS (SHAI I.K. GUJAAL): (a) and (b). Although some suggestions, In this regard, THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- have been made by overseas Indians, no FAIRS (SHRII.K. GWRAL): None. specific request has been received by the Government. Applications for Grant of ISWatantrata Senanl Samman Pension' Ferry Service Between Rarneswaram and Sri Lanka 6810. SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIAS be pleased to 6808. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- state: CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased to state: (a) the number of fresh applicatIOns for grant of 'Swatantrata Senani Samman Pen- (a) whether Government have received sion', received from Uttar Pradesh during any representation for resumption of the the last three years, year-wise: ferry service between Rameswaram and Sri Lanka; (b) the number of cases disposed of during the last three years; (b) if so, the reaction of Government thereto: and (c) the number of cases still pending; and (c) whether Sri Lanka has reciprocated by introducing-service on thiS route? (d) the steps taken to decide the pending cases expeditiously? THE MINISTEROFSURFACETRANS- PORT (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) and (b). Govemment have received no re- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cent formal request from the Sri Lanka Govt. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI to re-introduce the ferry service between SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) The number Rameswaram and Sri Lanka. Govt. may of fresh applications received from Uttar consider the reintroduction of the ferry serv- Pradesh during the last three years of 1987, 365 Written Answ91S VAISAKHA 6. 1912 (SAKA) Written AnSW91S 366

1988 and 1989 are 369, 349 and 503 respec- THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAl AF- tively. FAJRS (SHRJ '.K. GUJRAl): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). Applications received after (b) The book entitled "Soft Target-How the last date viz. 31.3. 1982 are treated as the Indian Intelligence Service Penetrated delayed applications. Such applications are Canada" by Zuhair Kashmeri and Brian Me considered only where they are accompa- Andrew, two Canadian journalists. was re- nied by evidence of suffering from official leased in Canada on June 23, 1989, to records and the applicant given adequate coincide with the 4th anniversary of the blow- reasons for delay in applying. Where the ing of the Air India's aircraft 'Kanishka' in applicant furnishes such evidence, the claim June 1985. In the book, the authors have of the applicant is verified through the State alleged that the Air India aircraft was blown Government and pension sanctioned to the by the Indian intelligence agencies to dis- applicant jf , upon such verification. the same credit the Sikhs living in Canada. is found to be genuine. Other cases, including the cases where no evidence from official (c) These baseless allegations were records has been furnished by the applicant, refuted by the Indian High Commission in are rejected. No separate record is main- Canada through the press, radio and TV. tained for disposal of delayed applications. The concern of the Government of India regarding the allegations contained in the (d) Action is taken to dispose of the book were also conveyed to the Canadian pending case(s} as soon as the verrtication Government. report from the State Government IS received. Suicide by Indians In Kuwait

Allegations Against Indian Intelligence Services About Explosion In Air India's 6812. DR. DAULATRAO SONWI 'Kanlshka' AHER: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 6811. SHRI SHANKERSINH VAGHELA: (a) the number of Indians in Kuwait who SHAJ LK. ADVANI: have committed suicideduring the year 1988 and 1989: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF- FAIRS be pleased to state: (b) the reasons therefore; and

(a) whether Governments' attention (c) the steps, if any, taken by Govern- has been drawn to the allegation against ment in this regard? some agents of Indian intelligence services, made in the book 'Soft Target' written by THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- Canada-based two journalists about the mid FAIRS {SHRI I.K. GUJRAL}: (a) According air explosion in Air India's Kanishka in June, to information available with the Govern- 1985; ment, there were two suicides in 1988 and three in 1989. (b) if so, the facts in this regard; and (b) and (c). It is understood that this (c) the action taken in the matter? extreme step was taken for personal and 367 WriffenAnswe~ APRil 26, 1990 Written Answe~ 368 private reasons and, therefor, there is no (c) if so, the remedial steps taken in this scope for any action by the Government. regard?

Purchases Towards end of Financial THE MINISTER OF FOOD ANt> CIVIL Year SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) Sir, the University Grants Commission 6813. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: has not fixed the pay scales for scientist of Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be the Indian Council of Agricuttrural Research. pleased to state: ~ut, with effect from 1.1.1986, the U.G.C. Pay Package has been extended to the (a) the broad Items including stationery Scientists of the Indian Council of Agricul- purchased, the parties from whom purchased tural Research. Accordingly the following and the expenditure incurred by different scales have been allowed to the Scientist of Departments of Deihl Administration during the l.e.A.R.: the second half of March, 1990; 1. Experimental Scientist (b) the Justification forthese purchases; Rs. 1740-3000

(c) the amount spent on the same 2. Scientist heads dunng the last three years; and Rs. 2200-4000

(d) the steps contemplated, If any, not 3. Scientist (Sr. Scale) to allow the Departments to make bulk pur- Rs. 3000-5000 chases In the ending month of the financial year? 4. Scientist (Selection Grade) and Senior Scientist Rs. 3700-5700 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 5. Pnncipaf Scientist SUBODH KANT SAHAY): (a) to (d). The Rs. 4500-7300 information is being coJlected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (b) Some representations have been received against the revised pay scales. Pay Scales of I.C.A.R. Scientists (c) The representations received in 6814. SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA respect of the Scientists of '5' Grade have RAJE: Will the Mimster of AGRICULTURE been examined and rejected. be pleased to state:

(a) the pay scales fixed by the Univer- 12.00 nrs. sity Grants Commission for different grade of scientists working In the Indian Council of .. .. (Interruptions) .... Agricultural Research (ICAR); ( Translation]

(b) whether there IS any discontent- MR. SPEAKER: Several Papers are to ment among the scientist of'S' Grade and be laid. First, let It the Papers be laid. There, other similar grades: and after you may raise whatever issues you want to raise. 369 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 370

ever they Oke. [English] Asked if the shilanyas would not lead to SOME HON. MEMBERS: No. Hindu-Muslim riots, the Shankracharya said:- MR. SPEAKER: All right. Shri Dine~h Singh. "after an operation, there is bound to be pain". SHRI DINESH SINGH (Pratapgarh): Mr. Speaker, Sir, we see from the Newspapers h seems that there is a competition that a very important meeting has been held between VHP and this Jagadguru for getting between our Foreign Minister and the For- thecommunalism to go ahead. I have heard-I eign Minister of Pakistan and that some may be wrong or I may be right-that behind important decisions have been taken. We this Shankaracharya, there are some, from feel that this House has a right to know what amongst the Congress. has been the result 6f this meeting. Even if the Foreign Minister is not here. a statement ( Interruptions) should be made by the Government as to what has been the discussion and the result I will be happy ~ it is not so. of that discussion. ( Interruptions) SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO (Mor- mugao): Sir, I support what Shri Dinesh I consider Congress party to be a secu- Singh says. Of course. It IS welcome that a lar party and there must be secu lar elements dialogue has taken place. We hope that the present here. I would like them to disclaim dialogue will continue. Now, at the same this Shankracharya. I appeal to the Govern- time, it is very deplorable that the Pakistani ment to take immediate steps to stop this Foreign Minister should have raised the shilanyas. Kashmir issue at the Non-Aligned Meeting. This issue cannot be raised there; Kashmiris ( Interruptions) an integral pelft of India and all disputes must be settled bilaterally. SHRI VASANT SATHE(Wardha): SIR, I am on a point of order under Rule 353, No SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE Member can make a defamatory remark. (Panskura): Sir, today's Times of India has given a very disturbing news that the Shank- ( Interruptions) aracharayaof Dwaraka Shardo1 Peeth, Saru- panand, in a News Conference in New Delhi MR. SPEAKER: I will see if there is yesterday declared that shilanyas would be anything defamatory. I will look into ~. performed on May 7, in the dIsputed Ram Janambhoomi shrine by him and his follow- (Interruptions) ers. He said that thousands of people would gather on May 7 at the Saryu flve'r and from SHRI VASANT SATHE (Wardha): Sir, there, march to the shrine with he himself I am not on a point of order. and three others carrying the four bricks. If the police stop us, everybody will do so, (Interruptions) except .the four of us carrying the bricks: would go ahead and the police can do what.- I will read Rule 353. (Interruptions) 371 Written Answers APRIL 26,1990 Written Answers 372

MA.SPEAKER: Please take your seats. SHRIVASANTSATHE: Theyareigno- ram uses. They do not even know the RUle. (/ntenvptions) I began by quoting the rule. (Interruptions) I said, rule 353. (lnte"uptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Yes, Mr. Sathe. MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Sathe, you are a senior Member. I have permitted you.

MR. SPEAKER: Mrs. Subhashini Ali, SHAI VASA NT SATHE: Rule 353 is please sit down. very clear. These ** must know that Rule. ( Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. KaJp Nath Rai, THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION please take your seat. AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHAI P. (Interruptions) UPENDRA): I am on a point of order. (Inter- ruptions) MR. SPEAKER:' I have allowed Mr. Sathe because he has a point of order. MR. SPEAKER: The word' .. .' will not go on record. SHAI VASANT SATHE: Under the Rules, no person can make a -defamatory SHRI VASANT SATHE: Nobody can remark against any Individual or a party or an be foolish enough not to know this rule. I am organisation. Kindly see. Here is an allega- withdrawing the word. (Interruptions) I have tion. Here, an hon. member, while quoting already withdrawn the word. something from a newspaper .... (/nterruptions)

SHRI TAR IT BARAN TOPDAR (Bar- MR. SPEAKER: Advaniji, he has with- rackpore): You quote the rule. drawn the word.

SHRI VASANT SATHE: It is Rule 353. {Interruptions)

( Interruptions) SHRI VASANT SATHE: I have withdrawn the word ' ... '. They are worsp. than MR. SPEAKER: What are you doing, that. (Interruptions) Nobody can make a Mr. Topdar? (Interruptions) defamatory remark. (Interruptions) I seriously object to any Member making an alle- MR. SPEAKER: I have permitted Mr. gation against the ~ngress. (Interruptions) Sathe. MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. ( Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. (Interruptions)

"Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 373 Writt." AnSW91S VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written AnsW91S 374

MR. SPEAKER: I will look into that. ~HRI VASANT SATHE: H you have heard her remark, she said that the Con· (Interruptions) gress is behind OwarakaJagathguru Shank· aracharya. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I will see whether it is defamatory. MR. SPEAKER: I have told you that I will go through the records and if there are SHRI VASANT SATHE: That must be defamatory or unparliamentary words, then expunged. (Interruptions) I will look into. What else can the Speaker do? MR. SPEAKER: What is this? Please take your seats. ( Interruptions)

SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM (Sivaganga): MR. SPEAKER: I have told you that I Sir, you should expunge it. (/nteITuptions) Will go through the records and then take a decision. Whether it is defamatory or unparliamentary, I will look into the records. MR. SPEAKER: How can I hear you, Mr. Sathe, when all of you are standing? SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: She has made allegations against the Congress. What (Interruptions) is the matter of doubt here? You have heard what she said. You should expunge it now. SHRI VASANT SATHE Even under Rule We all know what she has said. It was very 352, sub-Clause 7, ~ is very clearly men- clear and she stands by ~ even now. (Inter- tioned that a Member, while speaking, shall ruptions) not utter defamatory words. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Mrs. Geeta Mukher- MR. SPEAKER: Have you finished jse, please take your seat. your submission? ( Interruptions) SHRI VASA NT SATHE: My submission is, you have hea'rd what the hon. Member MR. SPEAKER: Yes, Mr. Dinesh Singh. has said. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I am only to tell ysu that I will go through the records and then I will MR. SPEAKER: Pleas sit down. I have decide. allowed Shri Dinesh Singh.

(interruptions) SHAI DINESH SINGH: Mr. Spsaker, Sir. I can understand the concern of the han. SOME HaN. MEMBERS: No. Member, Shrimati Geeta Mukherjee about a possible disturbance in an effort by the MR. SPEAKER: I will go through the Shankaracharya to place the shilanayas records and n there are any defamatory there. I can also understand the concern of words, I will see to it that they are not put on hers that she does not want to put the blame the record. on a partner of theGovernment, who started the whole thing. Shl7anayas has been started ( Interruptions) by them ...... (Interruptions) All that I would 375 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 376 like to say is that the position of our party is quite clear on this that the matter is before It is very clear that Shrimati Geeta the court, and that nothing should be done to Mukhe~ee has made an allegation against disturb the status quo tiH a decision is taken the Congress Party. It is a very serious by the court. It is wrong on the part of the han. matter. Member, Shrimati Geeta Mukherjee to' try to put the blame on us and. Sir, you yourself rTranslation] saw how she was being briefed by a Member of the BJP .... (Interruptions) This allegation has been deliberately made against the Congress Party. The in- MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seats. tention behind ~ is very simple that the party, Now, Shri Advani. which is behind all incidents of communa' disturbances. must be shielded. Efforts are ( Interruptions) being made to shield that party. MrSpeaker, Sir, you should have first listened to his point [ Translation] of order and then taken a decision. (/nt8rrup- ti!Jns) SHRJ HARISH RAWAT (Almora): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have a point of order. Shri SHRI L.K. ADVANI (New Delhi): Mr. Sathe raised a point of order. No ruhng has Speaker, Sir, ShrimatiGeeta Mukherjee has been given so far on his pomt of order. expressed her concern over the fact that the ( Interruptions) Shankracharya of Dwarka is going to perform the shilanyas during the month of May. MR. SPEAKER: I have given ~. He had raised an objection. AN HaN. MEMBER: It will be performed on May 7 ( Interruptions) SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I would not like to MR. SPEAKER: I have listened to the repeat the point as to what is the point of view hon. Member, Shri Rawat, you have no point of my party in regard to Ayodhya, but the of order. You have unnecessarily stood up. Opposition which is there today. (/nt8rrup- tion5) [English] AN HON. MEMBER: it is common SHRI HARISH' RAWAT: My point of knowledge. order is under Rule 352 (ii) .... SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I am aware of ~. I MR. SPEAKER: This has already been would not like to repeat if. , am not apologetic quoted by Shri Sathe. about it rather' am proud of it ... (Interruptions) Although J do not agree with Shrimati Geeta SHAI HARISH RAWAT: He has quoted Mukhe~ee's point of view, I respect herpeint Rule 353. Rule 352(ii) says: of view. While speaking on the same subject, I submitted earlier as well that, despite the "A member while speaking shall not. .. fact that the point of view of the Marxist ~rty make personal reference by way of is not similar to ours, yet they have always making an allegation imputing a mo- been consistent in their outlook. Even now H tive to or questioning the bonafides of Raja Dinesh Singh had not pein.ted in our any other member of the House .... direction, there would not have been any 371 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 378 need for me to make my submission. Is the [English] Raja of the fact that Jagadguru unaware i Shankaracharya criticises us at times and MR. SPEAKER: I have heard tl1e points he has close links with you. It is my request of order. to you that not only Jagadguru Shankra- charyabutShriSatheandRajaDlneshSingh (Interruptions) should also participate in this Shilanyas ceremony. But I would like to reiterate that, SHRI DINESH SINGH: Since my name whether ~ is the Ram Janam Bhoomi issue has been mentioned by the hon. member, on or any other issue concerning the Hindus personal explanation ... (Inteffuptions) and Muslims, there should not be any place for double policy. MR. SPEAKER: I will call you Mr. Choudhary. I saw a photograph just now In which the President of the West Deihl Congress SHRI DINESH SINGH: Sir, the hon. Committee is seen alongside the Shankara- Member Shri Advani has very kindly referred charya (Interruptions) to me. I would only like to say that any Jagadguru, particularly Jagadguru Shank- MR. SPEAKER:. Please Sit down. aracharya, should have blessings for all of us, including my friend Advanijl. SHRI L.K. ADVANI: Mr. Speaker, S,r, I would like to make a request that if the SHRt BASUOEV ACHARIA (Bankura): Congress Party actually ... (InterruptIOns) We do not want Shankracharva's blessings. (lntsrruptions) [English] MR. SPEAKER: What is this? Mr. MR. SPEAKER: I have only allowed Acharia, I will come to you. Please take your him to make a submission. seat, Mr. Chatterjee.

[ TranslationJ

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I have not criticised MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Di-nesh Singh, you Raja Oinesh Singh. please address to the Speaker.

[English] SHRI OINESH SINGH: Mr. Speaker, Sir, all th~t I said was ... (Interruptions)

I have permitted him to make a submis- You can see tor yourseW now what is sion. No debate please happening. (Int6ffuptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Acharia, you please [ TranslationJ take your seat.

SHRI DINESH SINGH: Mr. Speaker SHAt L.K. ADVAN I: I have not criticised Sir, t don't know what has disturbed my t1im. If whatever Shrimati Geeta Mukhe~ee friend, Shri Basudeb Acharia. Hhe does not has stated Is a fact, it should not be opposed. want Shankracharya's blessings, and Hhe (Interruptions) wants Marx's blessings, he can have it. I 379 Written AnSW81S APRIL 26, 1990 have no dispute with him. But I am saying the matter and the potential it hal to .. that Shankracharya should have blessings fire in the country, we au have beendemaftCl· for aU but no Shankrachary a can attach ing that there has to be a sdIement thtough himself with anyone party or anyone group. a dialogue. otherwise it has to be taken to the Therefore, the statement that has been made Court and that verdict has to be abided t1I by the han. Member Shri Advani that everybody. Now Sir. anybody going beyond that by VIOlating that concept is seriously [ Translation) trying to create a fire in the country. It may be BJP or Vishwa Hindu Parishad or any mus- The Shankracharya has close links with lim organisation or any Congress organisa- is not fair us, I do not think that the Shankra- tion .... (Interruptions) charya can be attached to anyone. It is against his dignity and also against our dig- What Advaniji has said, that I appreci- nity. We do not have relationship with any ate. Their stand is clear. They want the Guru. temple to be built there. We are not going to accept it and we will fight them. But the (Interruptions) Congress(l) though does not openly propa- gate that, but many of them secretly support [English] this kind of attempt. (/nt.rruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: . Mr. Khurana, Will you In our country, certain parties, certain please take your seat? I have called Mr. individuals take a firm ~tand on secularism. Choudhary. What our friends have seen during the last lok Sabha Elections is that, to defeat a CPI ( Interruptions) candidate, our friends, BJP, withdrew their candidate in favour of the Congress(I}. [Translation] MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. SHRI BHAJAN LAL (Faridabad): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have a POInt of Order. It is no SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHARY: No, issue at all. The Issue is that we want your Sir. In view of the complications and in view ruling on expunging Smt. Geeta Mukher- of the danger which is imminent in connec- jee's allegation from the proceedings of the tion with this dispute, I would request you to house. (Interruptions) move a Resolution condemning each and everybody who are supporting communal- MR. SPEAKER: Is it a point of Order? ism the attempt of violence or going beyond Please sit down. I am listening that. (Interruptions)

( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. I am givtng my ruling. You had your say. MR. SPEAKER: The Speaker can listen to the subm ission of the Members before (Interruptions) giving his lUling. Please sit dOWIT.

(Jnterruptions) MR. SPEAKER: We are not starting a discussion on that. Please take yoUr seat. , SHRI SA'FUDOIN CHOUDHARV thin\( I shoukS first give my ruing. let me (Katwa): S\r. considering the seriousness 01 proceed. , want too give my ru\mg now. 381 Wriffen Ans." VAISAKHA6, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 382

(IntlHTUplions) [ Translation]

MR. SPEAKER: Mr Basudeb Acharia, MR. SPEAKER: The hon. member may please sit down. Please take your seats. pl.ase sit down. .

(Interruptions) (Interruptions)

MR.SPEAKER: Pleasetakeyourseats; [English] I have not permitted. I am not permitting. I want to give the ruling. I am not permitting a (Interruptions) • debate on this. Please take your seats. I wiD not allow anybody else. I had said that' MR. SPEAKER: Please take your would not allow it. (Interruptions) seats. I am not permitting anybody.

MR. SPEAKER: '1 have to give a ruling. ( Interruptions) I am not allowing. SHRI P. R. KUMARAMANGALAM [ Translation) (Salem): Will you expunge those remarks, or not? There is no need for it. MR. SPEAKER: H you want to know ( Interruptions) what I will say, then let me say what I have to say. [Eng/ish] SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: H we all MR. SPEAKER: first, please take your agree, then we can adopt a resolution, as seats. Mr Choudhury has already made his suggested by Mr. Saifuddin Choudhury. point. (Interruptions) We can agree. We can have a resoluten, and that resolution can be moved SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: I will take from the Chair. (Interruptions)· only a few seconds. MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Acharia, please MR. SPEAKER: Then, they wifJ again take your seat. Mr. Soz, please take your speak; no. seat.

SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: There is [ Translation] nothing for them to speak. (Inte",uptions) SHRt MITRA SEN YADAV (Faizabad): MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seats. Mr. Speaker, Sir. it is the question of my constituency. I have given a notice. Please ( InterruptIOns) listen to me. (Interruptions)

SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: The whole [English] country knows how the Shilanyas was al- PROF P.J. KURtEN: Sir, here is onfy a loWed. (Interruptions) simple issue ....

.. Not reoorded. 383 Written Answers APRIL 26, 1990 Written AnS"" 384

MR. SPEAKER: It is a very simple issue MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. I shall which has already been complicated unnec- come to the point of order essarily. ( Interruptions) ( Int9rruptions) SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV: H you will [ Translation] listen to my point -Of -order I shall sit.

SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV: Mr. MR. SPEAKER: There is a provi~ion in Speaker, Sir, I have got a point of Order. It is the rules that ~ something is said about any provided in the Rules that if the name of an particular Member. hon. Member is mentioned while referring to a certain issue he should be given an oppor- ( Interruptions) tunity of making a statement. People have mentioned my name while referring to the SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV: It is some- Shilanyas of Ram Jaf)am Shoorn.i Temple. I t~ing about my constituency. am connected with that constrtuency. That is why you should listen to my point MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. I am coming to it. {English] ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: No;' have not heard. Please take your seat. [English)

( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I have heard the points of order raised by Mr. Vasant Sathe and also [ Translation] by Mr. Hansh Rawat. Mr. Vasant Sathe has raised a point that the remark made by MR. SPEAKER: Piease sit down. I am Shrimati Geeta Mukherjee is defamatory not allowing you. and it should not be put on the record of the House. I have already observed and I am still ( Interruptions) observing that I will go through the record and then give my decision accordingly and [English] let you know about it.

MR. SPEAKER: I have not heard it. ( Interruptions)

( Interruptions) [ Translation]

[ Translation] MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down Shri Kamal. Shri Rajveer Singh, you can raise MR. SPEAKER: I am not giving permis- your question. sion, Madam. ( Interruptions)

DR. RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI [English] (Sitapur): Please expunge whatever has been said. MR. SPEAKER: Neither the Ruling 385 MfrmenAnswe~ VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Written Answe~ 386

Party nor you can dictate to me-Shri Kamal MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. What Chaudhary. can I do.

Shri Rajveer Singh. [English]

( Interruptions) ( Interruptions)

SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA (Midnapore): MR. SPEAKER: What will the Speaker What I have understood from you is this. You do about that? have said that you are going to go through the record and then decide whether the (Interruptions) remark made by Shrimati Geeta Mukhe~ee amounts to defamation or not. That is all. SHRI CHinA BASU: The question is that the Government should say what they MR. SPEAKER: Yes. are going to do about that.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: But I am [Translation] more concerned about knowing this. If these people-Shankracharya and his friends-ijo MR. SPEAKER: What should I do. Yes, ahead with theIr 7th May programme, which Mr. Rajveer Singh. they have announced, what does the Gov- ernment propose to do about that? (interrup- SHRI RAJVEER SINGH (Aonla): Opium tions) is' grown at some places in Uttar Pradesh. Unfortunately this year's opium crop has MR. SPEAKER: Shrimati Geeta been destroyed due to heavy rain and hail- Mukherjee has already made a point about storm. I had written a letter to the hon. It. I have heard her. Finance Minister mentioning the destruction of the opium crop in my constituency and the ( Interruptions) need to look into this matter to ensure that farmers do not face problems in future. I SHRI li~DRAJIT GUPTA: How many wrote in the letter thaL. shilanyas they are gOing to perform? We want to know what does the Government MR. SPEAKER: That is enough. Please propose to do about that? (Interruptions) take your seat now.

SHRI CHinA BASU (Barasat): The SHRt RAJVEER SINGH: The hvn. Government should say what they are going Finance Minister replied that the D. V.C. to do about that. (interruptions) Lucknow had sent a tea~ to survey the srtuatlon. This team sought a bribe of Rs.400 SHRIMATI SUBHASHINI ALI (Kanpur): per 'Ari' from every farmer if they wanted a The Home Minister must be present here to favourable report. Otherwise they would be tell us what does the Government propose to given an adverse report. Such are the cor- do about it? (Interruptions) rupt ways through which money is being taken from the farmers. Hthe farmer does [ Translation] not pay the money he has to give a larger quantrty of opium failing which his licence India is burning. What is the Govern- would be cancelled. Throughyou,lappaalto ment going to do about it. (Interruptions) the han. Finance Minister to look into the 387 ~nAns.. ~ APRfl26,199O KtMten Answers 388 matter so that farmers can get raHat. (lnter- extend adequate financtalassistance to tide roptions) over the situation.

PROF MAHADEO SHIWANKAR [ Translation] (Chimur); Sir, reservat«>n in all trains going to Delhi, Calcutta and Bombay is full upto SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA (South 15th May. Due to this everyday nearly 100 Delhi): Mr. Speaker Sir, the hon. Home passengers on the waiting list have to cancel Minister stated that migrants from Kashmir their tickets. Sir, a movement is going on in are being given Rs. 5001- per month. But the Nagpur. Summer specials should be intro- other day also , had said that this is a wrong duced in Maharashtra which go to Delhi, statement. They have not been given a single Calcutta and Bombay via Nagpur. I request penny till today. An assurance given inside the hon. Railway Minister to give this matter the parliament of this country is not fuHilied serious thought. Sir, the 'Lokmat' newspa- ( Interruptions) per which is published from Nagpur has reported this in detail. I request the hon. SHRt HARISH RAWAT: We investi- Railway Ministerto kindly read the 22nd April gated this matter. edition of this newspaper and take t"e necessary action. MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down

SHRI JAGDISH SINGH KUSHWAHA SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: When I (Ghazipur): Hon. Mr. Speaker Sir, a serious had spoken in this House on Friday last the drought situation has developed in the east- han. Home Minister felt that I was not speak- ern districts of Uttar Pradesh particularly in ing the truth. May I know why no money has Ghazipur. ThIs has badly affected Bblocks of been paid to them till now? It was also said Ghazipur district compelling villagers to leave that I shoutd raise my point in the right their homes. I w.ant Hie U.P. Government to perspective. On that day too , had chal- be directed to provide adequate drinkIng lenged this' point and I again challenge it water supply In the drought affected areas so to~ay that the statement given by the hon. that villagers are not compelled to leave their Home Minister last Friday is not true. As of homes. noW the said amount of Rs.SOO per month is not being paid to them. {Eng/ish] ~R. SPEAKER: You may sit down now. SHRI BHABAN I SHANKAR HOT A You have made your point.Please let Shri (Sambalpur): There has been extensive Santosh Kumar Gangwar speak now. damage to standing crops In Sambalpur district in the last two months and school SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR building and some cattle farms have been (Bareilly): Mr. Speaker, Sir, the workers of destroyed, due to a ~ailstorm. As hailstorm is sugar mills all over India staged a Dharna for not included as a natural calamity the farm- two days i.e. on the 24th and 25th and sent ers have been deprrved of any assistance, a charter of demands through the National both from the State Government and the Sugar Mill Employees' Coordination Com- Central ·Government. I appeal to Govern- mittee.lhey have made a demand that the ment to send a central team to assess the report of Third Wage Board is not in the damage to Government buildings and also interests of the sugar mill workers and it does private buildings and also the command not take care of their problems. Our Cabinet ant. and the' non-command area and to Ministers, Shri Madhu Dandavate and Shri 389 WrlIten AnSW81S VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnsW9IS 390

Gerog. Femandes ar. also seized of the [English] problems of these workers. I would, there. for., like to request the hon. Minister of SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE Labour to call the representatives of various (Bolpur): BJP had withdrawn its candidate in labour organisations to discuss their prob- favour of Congress (I) in Faizabad ..... (Inter- lems once again and take the decisions luptions) .... afresh with the formulation of a New Policy in this regard pending the implementation of ( Trans/ation] the report of Third Wage Board. SHRIMA TI SUBHASHINI ALI: We don't SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Mr. have to indulge in ... "* ... of anyone. You are Speaker, Sir, my question should be an- calling us .. _'* ... first take stock of yourself. swered first. I want to know as to what the You .. :·... before the leader of the opposi- Govemment has to say about the news that tion for hours together and call me as ... ** .... was published in a number of newspa- Do we have to learn ... .** .... from you. You pers? ... (/nterruptions) .... are a king, an expert of .. .** ... I don't want to learn ..... • ... from you ..... (Inteffuptions) .... MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. Yes, Shrimati Subhashini Ali. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am saying this to you quite SHRI SUBHASHINI ALI: Mr. Speaker, plainly. You should not think that we only say Sir, I have jU$t come back from my town. The something and then quietly take our seats. I entire Northern India is very tense at the have been repeating it for last one month. moment. Under these circumstances, there may be the outbreak of disturbances at any MR. SPEAKER: Take your seat. What moment and anywhere taking out a rehgious IS the matter? procession or organising the ceremony of shilanya as with all sorts of provocative slo- SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: I only gans and abusive and absurd language may want to ask as to the why han. Minister of prove to be very disastrous for the entire Home Affairs is not keeping his word. What northern India. I WOUld, therefore, like to is the use of such assurance? request the Government of India to come out with a statement imposing a ban on all such MR. SPEAKER:. You may give it in processions and ann9unce that ~obody will w_rhing. be allowed to arouse the sentiments ot the masses in the name of resurgence of a SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: We particu~ar commun~y. Such announcement have already given a notice, but nothing has should be in clear words so that it may put a happened as yet. Now please tell us as to complete check on such actiVities. what to do.

SHRI VASANT SATHE (Wardha): MR. SPEAKER: Please take you seat. Subhashiniji, you should stop ...... of B.J.P., then only things will improve ..... (Intsrrup- SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: But we tions) .... want the reply today itself because now the

**Expunged as ordered by Chair. 391 Written AnSW9tS APRIL 26, 1990 Written AnsW9IS 392

House will be adjourned for 4-5 days. and also inadequacy of sanitation and other health measures. MR. SPEAKER: I think the Minister of state is ready to give his statement. This is one part of their grievance. Politi- cally they have also made it write clear that SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: I want they want to go to Bangladesh provided to ask the han. Minister some questions conducive conditions are created by the reg~rding the statement he had made in the Government of India and also by the Gov- House on last Friday. ernment of Bangladesh. I urge upon the Government that in respect of external rela- SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV: Mr. tions the Government of India should con- Speaker, Sir, it will be better first to let us tinue the dialogue with the Government of make our submIssIons before the hon. Min- Bangladesh to create conditions conducive Ister ",akes hIS statement so that he is able for their return to Bangladesh as early as to clarify the posItion rn respect of all the possible. In the meantime, the Government points raised here of India should continue to provide improved rehefs and other measures so that they may [English] not be forced to live in sub-human conditions in this country because it is we who have SHRI CHITTA BASU (Barasat): Has provided them the she~er here. any Member got a special fight to speak every time wIthout your permIssion? MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Childambaram, I have got your notice. But you have submit- 1TranslationJ ted It at 10.50 am. Therefore, I have not gone through It. I am not allowing to raise It here. MR. SPEAKER: 'have called the member bp.cause the Minister IS ready to SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM (Shiva- give reply to the question he has raIsed in the ganga): The Prrme Minister made such an House ..... (Interruptions) . .. Important announcement outside the House ... MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. MR. SPEAKER: I have not gone through (English] rt. I cannot allow you.

SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Howcanthe SHRI CHITTA BASU: Mr. Speaker, Sir, Prime Minister and the Government make through you I want to draw the attentIOn of such an important announcement regarding the Government to the plight of the Chakma formation of a new para-military organisa- refugees who number about seventy thou- tion outside Pafliament? It is a gross breach sand and who have now been sheltered in of privileg£. .... (Interruptions) Tripura and other North Eastern States. They met the Prime Minister along with many MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Janardhanan, your Members of thiS House and submitted a calling attention notice regarding cotton prices memorandum, in which'they have described in under my consideration. I will see whether the plight to which they have been subjected I can perm~. Regarding the other issues I am to. Some of their grievances are: inade- not allowing you to raise them here now quacy of the ration supply: inadequacy of the because I have already given you the oppor- arrangement of education for their children tunity. 393 Written Answers VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Papers Laid 394

( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I have not excluded him. But he has not given notice. [ Translation]

SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: (South Delhi): Mr. Speaker, Sir, what about my 12.53 hrs. notice which I gave on the last Friday. Should I read out the statement of the han. Minister of Home Affairs? .... (Interruptions) .... PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Khurana, first J have to give my ruhngnnthe notice you have [ Translation] given ..... (Interruptions) ....

[English] Fertiliser (control) (Second Amendment) Order, 1990:AnnuaJ Reports and Reviews on the working of the Jammu and Ka· SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Midnapore): shmir HortlcuHural produce Marketing Mr. Mitra Sen says that he gave you notice In and Processing Corporation Ltd., Sri· good time. But you are not permitting him. nagar, for the years 1981-82, 1982-83 and1983·84 alongwith a statement sho·~'· MR. SPEAKER: Which notice? Ing reasons for delay In laying the~ papers etc. SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV. Calling Attention. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: He is elected, MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI JANESHWAR MfSHRA): Speaker, Sir, as you know, from that area where thiS Mr. on behalf of Shri Devilal, I beg to lay on the trouble, as apprehen.ded, is gol~g to take table:- place on 7th of May about the second shllan- yas. He gave you a notice abo~t that and (1) A copy of the Fertiliser (Control) now you do not allow him' to make any (Second Amendment) Order, 1990 mention of that. (Hindi and English versions) published in Notification No. S.O. MR. SPEAKER: I do not know whether 271 (E) in Gazette of India dated he has given notice in time. He has given the 29th March, 1990 under sub- notice for a calling attention motion. That is section (6) of section 3 of the Es- under my consideration. He has not to raise sential Commodities Act, 1955. [Placed on Library. See No. LT. it during this 1200 and 1300 hours. 729190J SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: You have spent one hour on thiS. You have allowed so (2) A ropy each of the following papers many Members to speak. It is all right. But (Hindi and English versions) under why do you exclude him? He is elected from section 619A of the Companies there. Act, 1956:- 395 Papers Laid APRil 26, 1990 PItpBIS Laid 396

(a) (i) Review by the Government cuttural Produce Marketing on the working of the and Processing COrpor. Jammu and Kashmir Horti- tion Limited, Srinagar, for cultural Produce Marketing the year 1983-84, along and Processing Corpora- with Audled Accounts and tion Limited, Srinagar, for comments of the eomp.. the year 1981-82. troller and Auditor General thereon. (ii) Annual Report of the Jammu and Kashmir Harti- (3) A statement (Hindi and English cultural Produce Marketing versions) showing reasons for de- and Processing Corpora- lay in laying the papers mentioned tion Limited. Srinagar, for at (2) above. [Placed in Library. the year 1981-82 along with See No. L.T. 730190] Audited Accounts and comments of the Comp- (4) ~) A copy of the Annual Report troller and Auditor General (Hindi and English versions) thereon. of the Indian Council of Agri- cultural Research, New Delhi, (b) (i) Review by the Government forth's year 1988-89 (Volumes- on the working of the I and II) .Jammu and Kashmir Horti- cultural Produce Marketing (ii) A copy of the Annual Accounts and Processing Corpora- (Hindi and English versions) tlon limited, Srinagar, for of the Indian Council of Agri· the year 1982-83. cultural Research, New Delhi, for the year 1988-89 together (ii) Annual Report ot the with Audit Report thereon. .Iammu and Kashmir Horti- cunural Produce, Marketing (5) A statement (Hindi and English 3nd Processing Corpora- versions) showing reasons for de- tion limited, Srinagar, for lay in laying the papers mentioned the year 1982-83 along with at (4) above. (Placed in Library. Audited Accounts and See No. l.T. 731/90] comments of the Comp- troller and Auditor General [English] thereon. NotifIcations under Finance Act 1919 (c) (i) Rp.viewbytheGov~rnment Income Tax Act 1961 Delhi Sales Tax on the working of the Act 1975 Customs Act 1962 and Central Jammu and Kashmir Horti- Excuses and SaH Act 1944 etc. ate. cultural Produce Marketing and Processing Corpora- tion Limited, Srinagar, for THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE the year 1983-84. MINISTRYOFFINANCE(SHRIANllSHAS- TRI): Ion behalf of my senior colleague, (ii) Annual Report of the Prof. Madhu Dandavate I beg to lay on the Jammu and Kashmir Horti- Table- 397 Papers Laid VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Papers Laid 398

(1 ) A copy each of the folloWing Notifi- regarding eKemption to His cations (Hindi and English versions) Excellency Mr. Oian Oichen, under section 41 of the Finance Foreign Minister of China and Act, 1979:- other members of the delegation who visited India from 20th (i~ G.SA. 102(E) published in to 24th March, 1990, from the Gazette of India dated the 1st payment of foreign travel tax. March. 1990 together with an explanatory memorandum (v) G.S.A. 135(E) published in regarding exemption to His Gazette of Jndiadatedthe 12th Excellency Mr. Maumoon March, 1990 together w~h an Abdul Gayoom, President of explanatory memorandum the RepublIC of Maldives and regarding exemption to Hon- other members of the delega- ourable Winston Dockeran, tion who visited India from 15th Deputy Prime Minister and to 16th March, 1990, from the Minister of Planning and Mobi- payment of foreign travel tax. IisationofTrinidadandTobago and one other member of the (ii) G.S.A. 103(E) published in delegation who visited India Gazette of India dated the 1st from 9th to 16th March. 1990. March, 1990 together with an from the payment of foreign explanatory memorandum travel tax. regarding exemption 10 His Excellency Mr. Daniel T. Arap (vi) G.S.A. 138(E} published In Moi, President of the Republic Gazette of India dated the 15th of Kenya and other members March, 1990 together wtth an of the delegation who visited explanatory memorandum India from 3rd to 4th March, making certain amendments 1990 from the payment of for- to Not~ication No. 71FTI190 eign travel tax. dated the 1st March, 1990. [Placed in library. See No. (iii) G.S.A. 133(E) published in L.T. 732190] Gazetteot India dated the 12th March. 1990 together with an (2) A copy of each of the following explanatory memorandum Notifications (Hindi and English regarding exemption to His versions) under section 296 of the Excellency Mr. Choi Ho-Jong, Income-Tax Ar;t, 196':- Minister of Foreign Affairs of the RepublIC of Korea and other (i) The Income-Tax (First Amend- membersofthe delegation who ment) Rules, '990 published vis~ad India from 15th to 17th in Notification No. S.D. 37(E) March, , 990, from the pay- in Gazette of India dated the ment of foreign travel tax. 11th January, 1990.

(iv) G.S.R. 134(E) published in (ii) The Income-Tax (CertWicate Gazette of India dated the 12th Proceedings) (Second March, 1990 together with an Amendment) Rules, 1990 explanatory memorandum published in Notification No. 399 Papers Laid APRIL 26, 1990 Papers Laid 400

S.O.121(E)inGazetteoflndia Amendment) Rules. 1989 dated the 6th February, 1990. published in Notification No. F4(2S)/89-Fin.(G) in Delhi (iii) The income-Tax (Third Gazette, dated the 1st Novem- Amendment) Rules, 1990 ber, 1989. [Placed in library. published in Not~ication No. See No. l.T. 734190] 149(E) in Gazette of India dated the 19th February, 1990. (4) A copy of the Notification No. S.O. 240(E) (Hindi and English versions) (iv) The Income-Tax (Fifth Amend- published in Gazette of India dated ment) Rules, 1990 published the 20th March, 1990 together with in Notification No. S.O. , 64(E} an explanatory memorandum re- In Gazette of India dated the garding revised rate of exchange 21 st February 1990. for conversion of Japanese Yen into Indian currency or vice-versa, (v) The Income-Tax (Fourth under Section 159 of the Customs Amendment) Rules, 1990 Act, 1962. [Placed in Library. See published in Notification No. No. l T 735/90] S.O. 203(E) in Gazette of India drsted the 8th March. 1990. (5) A copy each of the following Notifi- (vi) The Income-Tax (Sixth cations (Hindi and English versions) Amendment) rules, 1990 pub- under sub-section (2) of section 38 lished In Notffication No. S.D. of the Central Excises and Salt Act, 226(E) in Gazette of India 1944:- dated the 15th March, 1990. (i) The Central Excise (Seventh (vii) The Income-Tax (Seventh Amendment) Rules, 1989 Amendment) Rules, 1990 published in Notification No. published in Notification No. G.S.A. 761 (E) in Gazette of G.S.A. 141 (E) In Gazette of India dated the 16th August, India dated the 16th March, 1989. 1990. [Placed in Library. See No. L.T. 733/90) (ii) The Central Exci$e (Eleventh Amendment) Rules, 1989 (3) A copy each of the following Notifi- pl,lblished In Notification No. cations (Hindi and English versions) G.S.A. 964(E) in Gazette of under section 72 of the Delhi Sales India dated the 3rd November, Tax Act, 1975:- 1989.

(i) The DeIhl Sales Tax (Third (iii) G.S.A. 100(E) published in Amendment) Rules, 1989 Gazette of India dated the 1st published in Notification No. March, 1990 together with an F4(23)/89-Fin. (G) in Delhi explanatory memorandum Gazette dated the 30th Oao- seeking to provide that in ac- ber.1989. cordance with a general practice that was prevalent at the (ii) The Delhi Sales Tax (Second relevant time, the excise duty 401 Papers Laid VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Papers Laid 402

on magnetic ferrite with a (1) A (X)py of the Special Order (Hindi binder shall not be required to and English versions) dated 22nd be paid during the period from March, 1990 issued by the Presi- 28th February, 1986 to 28th dent regarding increase in the February, 1989. amount in respect of hospital~ expenses and office expenses re- (iv) G.S.A. 129(E) and G.S.A. lating to Governor of Maharashtra ,130(E) published in Gazette of for the year 1987-88 under sub- Indiadatedthe9thMarch,1990 section (3) of section 12 of the together with an explanatory Governors, (Emolument, Allow- memorandum seeking to pro- ance and Privileges) 'k1, 1982. vide that in accordance w~h [Placed in Library See No. L.T. the general practice 'that was 738190] prevalent at the relevant time, the excise duty at higher rate (2) The Indo-Tibetan Border Policy on HOPE strips and the like Motor Mechanic (Gaz~tted) Cadre used in the st~ching of HOPE Recru~ment Rules, 1990 (Hindi and sacks during the penod tram English versions) published in 1st March, 1986 to 23rd Feb- Notification No. G.S.R. 403 (E) in ruary, 1987andintheweavrng Gazette of India dated the 28th of HOPE fabrics dUring 1st March, 1990 under sub-section (3) March, 1987 to 16th March, of section 18 of the Central Re- 1987 shall not required to be serve Police Force Act, 1949. paid. [Placed In Library. See [Placed in Library. See No. LT. No. L.T. 736/90] 739190]

(6) A copy oftha Reserve Bank of India Detailed Demands for Grants 01 the (Note refund) (Amendment) Rules, Ministry of Commerce for 1990-91 1989 (Hindi and English versions) published il'l Gazette of India dated THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND the 23rd December, 1989 under TOURISM (SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU): proviso to Section 28 of the Re- I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the serve Bank of India Act, 1934, Detailed Demands for Grants (Hindi and [Placed In Library. See No. L.T. English versions) of the Ministry of Com- 737/90] merce for 1990-91. [Placed in Library. See No. l T 740/90]

Governors (Emolument, Allowance and Detailed Demands for Grants of the Privileges) Act, 1982 and Central Ministry 01 Civil Aviation for 1990-~1 Reserve Police 'Force Act, '1949 THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MINISTER OF CIVIL AVIATION (SHRIARIF THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MOHAMMAD KHAN): I beg to lay on the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Table a copy of the Detailed Demands for . SUBOOH KANT SAHA Y): I on behalf of my Grants (Hindi and English versions) of the senior colleague, Shri Mufti Mohammad Ministry of Civil Aviation for 1990-91. [placed Sayeed.1 beg to lay on the Table- in Library. See No. LT. 741/901 403 Papers Laid APRil 26, 1990 PaptNS Laid 404

Notlftcation8 under the Companies Act, beg to lay on the Table:- 1156 Ind I statement 8howInG reasons for delay in Ilying the. paper. (1) A copy of.the Detailed Demands for Grants (Hindi and English versions) SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: On oftha Department of Posts for 1990· behaH of my colleague, Shri K.P. Unnikrish- 91. [Placed in library. se9No. L.T. nan, I beg to lay on the Table- 743190]

(1) A copy each of the'following paper (2) A Copy of the Detailed Demands (Hindi and English Versions) under for Grants (Hind and English var· sub-Section (1 ) of section 619 A of sians) of the Department of Tale- the Companies Act, 1956: communications for 1990-91: [Placed in Library. See No. LT 744/ (i) Review by the Government on 90] the working of the Hoogly Dock and Port Engineers limited, Calcutta, forthe year 1987 -88. [Eng/ishj (ii) Annual Report of the Hoogly Dock and Pori Engineers ( Interruptions) Limited, Calcutta, for the year , 987 -88 along with Audited SHAIINDRAJIT GUPTA (Midnapore): Accounts and comments of the You do not request the Government to make Comptroller and Auditor Gen- a- statement as to what they propose to do. eral thereon. MR. SPEAKER: You are making the (2) A statement (Hindi and English request. They are also there. I have not versions) (i) showing reasons for questioned them. delay in laying the papers mentioned at (1) above and (ii) explain- ( Int9rruptions) ing reasons for not laying the An- nual Report and Audited Accounts PROF. N.G. RANGA (Guntur): I support of the Hooghly Dock a'ld Port his poi'1t of view, Sir. He is asking the Gov- Engineers Limited, Calcutta, for the ernment. .. year 1988-89 within the stipulated period of nine months afterthe close ( Interruptions) of the Accounting year. [Placed in Library. See No. l.T. 742190J MR. SPEAKER: Yes, Rangaji, let the [ Translation] Government respond. I am not preventing the Government from responding to lndrajit Detailed Demands for Grants of the Babu's point. Department of Posts and TelecommunI- cations for 1990·91

THE MINISTER-OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI JANESHWAR MISHAA): Mr. Speaker. Sir, I PROF. P.J. KURtEN (Mavelikara): Mr. 405 Papers Laid VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Papers Laid 406

Speaker. Sir. you have kindly decided and Zero Hour. Today you did not allow me to announced in this House that seven Mem- raise a very important point... bers will be allowed to raise the matters of public importance, whom you select, and that has been announced here also. Today, even before. MR. SPEAKER: Does Mr. Dinesh Singh not belong to the Congress party? Does Mr. Eduardo Faleiro not belong to your party?

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Only one Member has been allowed for our side. SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTk £rut you did not accept It tt IS unJust. .. (Interruptions). You have allowed only one Member from our side. It is PROF. P J KURIEN. Wedtdnot accept not fair. I am very sorry to say ... It Today. even bp*ore those seven Members were ca!led, Without his giVing notice, you allowed Mr Khurana two times ... ( Interruptions)

( InterruptIons) MR. SPEAKER: You are not doing jus- MR SPEAKER. What IS you point of tice to the Speaker. I have, first of all, at 12 order? o·clock. after the QuestIOn Hour was over, permitted Mr. Dinesh Singh. even though he (/nterruptfons) did not give a notice. Then I permitted Mr. Ch,dambaram also who has not given a PROF P.J. KURIEN' But, Sir, you did notice. not allow any of our Members to raise a oemt, wherprls, being ITl OPPOSition we (Interruptions) have also the right to say. (Int~rruptlons). You are breakIng the convention at every- MR. SPEAKER: That IS not the way. thmg. As an OppoSItion. we have also the right to say. You canl'lot takq away that (Interruptions) rlght. .. MR. SPEAKER: Yes, what is you point ( InterruptIons) of order, Mr Khurana?

MR SPEAKER: That IS not point of (Interruptions) order. MR. SPEAKER: let me hear his point of order. ( InterruptIons) [ Translation1

PROF. P.J KURtEN: Mr. Speaker, Sir, SHRI MADAN lAL KHURANA: Sir, I am this has been the convention of this House. on a pOInt of order. You have given him a I am repeattn9 It tor the second time that the chance to speak. But I did not get a chance OppositIon will have their say during the despite my giving it in writing on Monday last. 407 P~rs Laid APRIL 26. 1990 PapgTS '-aid 408

[English] has a right to create disorder in this House.

MR. SPEAKER: That is no point of MR. SPEAKER: You please sit down. order. [ Translation] ( Interruptions)

SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV (Faizabad): PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Everyday our Mr. Speaker. Sir. J am sorry to say that the Members want to raise it. but... senousness that should have been there on the question of Shilanyas is missing in the House. (Jnte.rruptions)

MA. SPEAKER: Come to the point. MA. SPEAKER: Everyday the House is discussing about the DelhI fire. SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV: I want to submit that Vishwa Hindu Parishad had ( Interruptions) performed 'Shilanyas' on the 9th November last year. They are going to re-enact the MR. SPEAKER: Will you please take ceremony on 7th May. The large scale vio- your seats? If you take your seats, then I will lence, riots and lawlessness that took place consider. in the meantime is a part of history now and Government is aware of all these facts. ( Interruptions) Shilanyas on 7th May is going to be performed by Shri Swaroopanand. the Shank- MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Khurana, that is no aracharya of Dwarika. If this shilanyas is point of order. Please take your seat. albwed to take place in Ayodhya (Faizabad) and if this ceremony is not banned. the entire ( Interruptions) state will be in flames and the:1 it would be Impossible to prevent the communal riots MR. SPEAKER: Mr Kumaramangalam, despite all use of force. Therefor. I would please take your seat. I will come to you. request the Central Government to give strict instrudions to the State Government to 13.00 hrs. ensure safety and security of the people in their houses. The State Gov9rnment should SHRt TARIT BARAN TOP DAR (Bar- also see to it that no disturbance is created rackpore): Sir. I have a point of order. in the State, especially in our district. If the Government allows the Shilan~as to take MR. SPEAKER: Under what rule you place on 7th May, the communal conflagra· want to raise it? tion would become inevitable in the country. Therefore. the Government must make a SHRI TARIT BARAN TOPOAR: Sir. I statement in this regard. want to know the rule under which a Member 409 AsHnt *' 811, VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Ass."t to Bills 410 [English] (Amendment) Bill, 1990 passed by the Houses of Parliament during the current SHAI P. R. KUMAAAMANGALAM Session and assented to since a report was (Salem): Mr. Speaker, Sir, in the last week or last made to the House on the 6th April, so, we have-.seen that in Deihl alone, over 1990. 8000 'jhuggis' have been ~rnt down. We have also reports here that the burning of Sir, I also lay on the Table copies. duly these 'jhuggis' js not accidental, but in fact, authenticated bv the Secretary-General of coulld be a sabotage. The people who are the Rajya Sabha, of the following two Bills passed real estate mafias are involved in burning by the Houses of Parliament and assented to down of these ·jhuggis'. We would like the since a report was last made to the House on han. Minister for Home Affairs to inquire in to the 6th April, 1990. this matter and make a statement in this House, since the life and property of the (1) The Constitution (Sixty-fourth drown-trodden are involved in these inci- Amendment) Bill, 1990 dents. (2) The Criminal Law Amendment [ Translation) (Amending) Bill, 1990.

SHRI J. P. AGARWAL (Chandni Chowk): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I had risen to 9~k yesterday also, but you did not allow 13.03 hrs. me. You do not want to listen to me. I [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chai~ MR. SP&AKER: What do you want to say? You can make your point ... (Inte"up- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You have tions) said that the relief money due to them has not been paid. SHAI J. P. AGARWAL: As stated by Shri Kumaramangalam just now, the fire SHRr MADAN LAL KHURANA ( South incidents in the Jhuggis of Delhi have be- Delhi): This is not so. They have not been come a matter of daily occurrence. Yester- given money despite the statement by the day I two persons were arrested in this con- Home Minister that relief has been nection. They have admitted that they are given .. (Inlflrruptions) ... Bhartiya Janata Party workers and they had set the Jhuggis on fire ... (/nt9rruptions) .... MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: If speaking helps in solving your problem, then ~ is a M~. SPEAKER: r have not permitted different matter..... (Interruptions) ... you to speak. Please sit down. SHRI KALKA DAS (Karol Bagh): They SHRI MADAN LAl KHURANA: Sir, are maligning B. J. P. by setting jhuggls in sentiments are involved in this Delhi on fire themselves ... (lnterruptions) .... issue .... ( Interruptions} .•• MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Kalka 13.02 hrs. Das, please s~ down.

[English) .. (Interruptions) ...

ASSENT TO BILLS MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: lwoukf like to tell you that there is a provision in the RUle9 SECRETARY-GENERAl: Sir, I lay on about the course of action you c_an take In the Table the Code of Criminal Procedure case Government's statement is inaccurate 41 1 Assent to Bills APRIL 26, 1990 Assent to Bills 412 or is not based on facts. The rules do not the particulars of the mistake orthe ~ndicate what instructions the Presiding offi- matter in the House." cer. who occupies the Chair on behalf of the Speaker, can issuetotheGovemment inthis [ Translation] regard. You have the right to take adion, as per rules if a statement issued by the Gov- SHRI MADAN LAl KHURANA: Please ernment is incorrect. You can adopt that listen. I have been hankering after this for the course. There 1s no use of telling the Speaker lastfive days, I have met the hon. Speaker as repeatedly to instruct the Government about well as the Home Mirister. I have also given it, as he is not authorised to do so. It will not it in writing .... serve your purpose. I would suggest you to go through the rules and act aCCOrdingly. SHRI VASANT SATHE (Wardha): You You would be able to achieve your objective. have gone to the Press also.

SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Mr. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Khuranaji, Deputy Speaker, Sir, notICe lor 'Privilege you have taken enough time on this issue. Motion' on this issue was given on You should not feel so helpless. You have Monday ... (lnterruptions) .. A notice for rais- got every right, but if you do not know how to ing the matter under Rule 377 has also been exercise that right. n is another thing. given ... (lnterruptions) ... SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: I have [English] already met the Speaker and given him in wr~ing. I met the Home Minister also. I have MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It will be talked to all but nobody is prepared to do decided by him. I can't say anything because anything. You tell me what else can I do? I don't know. [English] ...... (/nterruptions) ...... MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The member [ Translation] is not so helpless.

SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Then, [ Translation] you better expel me. What I am saying is correct. The Home Minister had said that SHAI MADAN LAl KHURANA: NObody relief has been paid and on that day also I has -given me an opportunny to explain my had said that ~ has not been done. It was said position fully. This gentleman is also trying to repeatedly~ .... interrupt. I have something to say, what I want to say will take just one minute. I want MR. SPEAKER; Sit down, please. For to quote from the press report:- your convenience, let me tell you the dir&c- tion:- [English]

[English] It is reported in The Hindustan Times dated 21 st April 1990: direction 115 (1) says:- "Despite Mr. Khurana's protests, WA member wishing to point out any the Home Minister asserted that mistake or inaccuracy in a state- Rs. 500 per family had been given ment made by a Minister or any to the refugees." other member shall, before refer- [ Translation) ring to the matter in the House, write to the Speaker pointing out On 20th of this month, he again said that 413 Assent to BiOs VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Assent to BiNs 414

every victim of fire incidents in Delhi had affair. The other day, fire incident took place been given As. 500. Today it is 26th. On that in jhuggis of Jahangirpuri and Seetampur. day also I had protested in the House as I Daulat Dairy has been the scene of fire knew that what the Home Minister was say- twice. I am SUie, a political conspiracy is Ing was not correct. later I confirmed it from behind all these incidents. There seems to Delhi Administration, they too admitted that be 8 calculated plan to drive out or to intimi- they had not distributed even a single paisa. date the jhuggi dwellers of Delhi. An enquiry Thereafter, I met the Home Minister and the should be ordered into it. The relief meas- Han. Speaker and gave it in writing. I had ures are inadequate and that too just for given in writing on Monday and 4 days have show off. Just now, my hen. brother, Shri since passed. Nobody is prepared to listen. Madan Lal was speaking for whom I have I would like to ask as to where should I go great regard. He gets the bread and milk now? supplied by the Red Cross distributed in the camps ... (Interruptions). in the name of his MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Khurana, party, B. J. P...... (lnterruptions) ..... I am not going to allow you any more time as you have already taken enough time. I would The allegation Congress is behind all like to tell you that ij you have any objection ... that h8ppened should be enquired into. Why this conspiracy is being hatched, who is SHAI MADAN LAL KHURANA: I have hatching it and with what an objection, right from the beginning. motives ... ( Interruptions).

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: listen to me MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: This is not first. If you have any objection, there can be the position. a solution to it under the rules. If you have given Privilege MotIon, you can talk to Hon. ( Interruptions) Speaker about it. But if you try to raise it repeatedly like this, it would not help in SHRI HARISH'FtAWAT: Mr. Deputy finding a solution. tn a privilege motion, the Speaker, Sir, it has come in the press that reply of the concerned Minister is obtained in these fire incidents are a part of the massive writing and after thorough consideration, the drive of the Delhi Administration to eliminate ruling is given whether consent to the Privi- Jhuggi-jhonpri.... (Interruptions) lege Motion is to be given or not. Please meet Hon. Speaker in this connection. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please sit down. Ar. Agarwal. Please take your seat SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: I have met them a1l. The House is going to have a (Interruptions) . four day's break from tomorrow. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Some oon. [English] Members have alleged that a particular party is behind Ram Janma Bhoomi issue and MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Nothing of some have alleged that a particular party has what you say further will go on record a hand is setting jhuggies on fire. These two now .... f Interruptions)...... \. points have been raised in the House. These points should be raised in the House or not, ( Translation] that is a different matter. But r on my part would like to say that incidents of fire taking SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT (East Delhi): Mr. place in Jhuggi-jhonpri clusters in Delhi Deputy Speaker, Sir, the incidents of fire in continuously for 5-6 days is a serious matter. jhuggis in Defhj have become an every day I would like the Government to

·Not recorded. 415 Call Attention APRIL 26, 1990 ViP*Rw 416 ,all In prices of Outed Tobaoc» [English] Commerce to the followInG matter of urgent pubfic importance and request that he may please investigate into it, take it seri- make a statement thereon: .. ously and take appropriate action. "'Reported faU in the prices of Vir· [ Translation] ginia Flue Cured tobacco resulting in distress to the tobacco growers ( Interruptions) andthe steps taken by the Govern .. ment to mitigate their sufferings.· SHRI KALKA DAS: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the other day also I had pteaded that THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND these incidents of fire should be enquired TQURISM (SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU) into. I have named a suspect also. Sir, Virginia Aue Cured (VFC) tobacco is grown largely in Andhra Pradesh and Kama- (Interruptions) taka. To ensure reasonable prices to tobacco growers. the Tobacco Board holds MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please do open audions at various centres. For 1989- not mention any name. 90 crop, in Andhra Pradesh auctions commenced on 21.2.90. A quantity of 47.53 ( Interruptions) Million kgs. had been auctioned till 20.4.1990 at an average price of Rs. 15.11 per kg. as (Eng/ish] against an average price of Rs. 19.46 per kg. during the corresponding period last year. The prices at the auctions last year were SHRIMATI UMA GAJAPATHI RAJU initially high, but they went down subse- (VISAKHAPATNAM): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Quently and the average price for the entire Sir, I would like to draw the attention of the season was Rs. 16.59 per kg. Government to the threatening anonymous calls and letters thatthe Ed~or.,t 'Nai Duniya' The Minimum Support Price (MSP) for has received. Now, I want to say that in the VFC tobacco is fixed by the Government on Indian democracy, thiS is a complete viola- the basis of the recommendations of the tion of freedom of the Press. An FIR has Commission for Agricultural COsts and Prices been filed in this regard. I would like the (CACP), which takes into consideration Home Minister, who IS always silent or not relevant factors while fixing the MSP. The present in the House. to enquire into the MSP is fixed every year for the two major matter and see that the Press is aHowed to grades, namely, F-2 grade, grown on black work freely and give th.ir opinion on A or B soils, and L-2 grade, grown on Northern party freely. They should give them neces- Light Soils. For other grades, MSP is fixed by sary s9Cur~y. the Tobacco Board having regard to the MSP fixed for the two major grades and the 13.20 hrs. usual price differential between various CALLING ATTENTION TO MA TIER OF grades. URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE According to the Tobacco Board, the Reported FlU in prices of Virginia flue prices obtained at the auctions this year are Cured tobacco resulting in dIstress to as compared to the previous year, but tobacco growers and steps taken by tow Gov.rnment to mitigate their sufferings they are we" above the MSP levels. Further, after the USSR firmed up its orders to the [English] Indian suppliers. prices have started picking up marginally. The Commerce Ministry is DR.. BIPlAB DASGUPTA (Calcutta holding a meeting with the trade and the South): I call the sHention of the Minister of manufacturers of tobacco in a bit to secure 417 Call Ansntion VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Vlfginia Rus 418 fal( in prices 01 Cured Tob.tcaJ better prick to the farmers. and ~ will not go to the growers. Even the export rebate which is being gMtn by the Govemment;sfullycommittedtosecur- Government is appropriated by the agents in; to the farmers reasonable prices for their and not by the growers or farmers for whom produce. However, it must be mentior.ed we are interested. This is a very alarming that the demand tor tobacco is going down development because. a very large number an over the world on account of the anti- of people actually cultivate tobacco, particu- smoking campaign. The Government is, larly in the States like Andhra Pradesh and therefore, considering formulating a long Kamataka. term strategy for production and marketirlfJ of tobacco so that the production is not far in I agree with the Minister that at the excess of the demand and the farmers are intemational market, the demand fortobacoo able to realise remunerative process fortheir has gone down largely because of the tobacco. campaign against smoking. That is right. And the amount purchased the Soviet Union OR. BIPlAB OASGUPTA: Mr. Deputy-' has also gone down. That is also true. Atthe Speaker, Sir, a few days back, when' gave Game time, it is one thing to say that the this calling-attention notice, the situation was farmers should switch from tobacco to some slightly different. At that time, I was told by other crop and it is another thing to simply the kisans and the farmers that in Andhra base one strategy on that. It is because, Pradesh and Karnataka, the price which was India is now the third largest tobacco produc- prevailing in the market was very low and, in ing country in the world. In any case, the fact, lower than the minimum support price farmers have made certain amount of ad- wh~h has been declared by the Govern- justment in response to the lower price level. ment. They also told me that the farmers For example, Hyou compare the area of land were actually withdraWing the produce from under cultivation of tobacco now, as to what the market. They were not selling it in the it was in 1982-83, there has been one-third market. Only one-third of the total produce fall already in the land which is under to- had been sold in the market. There was baoco. There is also limit to the switch over resistance on the part of the farmers to sell it because when you are switching from to- at that low price. I also heard that the State bacco to something else, the other crop Trading Corporation was not intervening at should be, if not wholly remunerative but the level at which it was necessary for the equally remunerative. Given the agro-cli- STC to do in order to protect the farmers. matic conditions in those areas, it is not easy to find another crop which can be a good Now I find the situation is slightly differ- substitute and can take the place of tobacco ent. By now, the resistance of the farmers and the farmers cannot be easHy induced to has been completely broken. The farmers getinto it. have been forced to make distress sales at ~ very large proportion of their produce at a So, while I can see the long-term prob- plies lower than the Minimum Support Price. lem, I also see tne short-term problem. I do The Minister said, the price ruling in the not see there is easy solution in simply market is well above the Minimum Support saying that the demand is going down and Price. But there are different prices. The the farmers should switch from tobacco to price that he is talking about is the price at something else. which probably the Tobacco Board is pur- chasing those things by way of auction. But . I would also remind the House that in the price at which the farmer is parting with case of jute, for example., forthe last so many the producerat the village to the agent is years, we have been told that jute has no much lower than the Minimum Support price. future. But this year, there is so much of t also understand that now the benefit of demand for jute, that the Government is minimum support price will go to the agent being forced to make import of raw jute from 419 Can Att.mion APRil 26, 1990 V"9inia FluB 420 fall in prices of Cul8d TobaCco [Dr. 8ip1ab Dasgupta) grower is getting. I am not unhappy that the Minister of Commerce is now replying to the Bangladesh and the price has gone up. So, Calling Attention Notice but the appropriate the world market price fluctuates. The situ- Minister for answering this question should ation today might clIange tomorrow. There have been Mr. Devi lal and not Mr. Arun might be many other ways by which it can Nehru. Here we are concerned with a large change. I would not base my policy entirely number of cultivators who are very poor with on that. I would atso like to make the point very ·Iow bargaining strength and who are that when one is dealing with a crop like totally helpless when facing trns enormously tobacco, one is in a different situation from large chain of corporate interests and for the one who is dealing with food c~p.ln case which the intervention of the Government is 01 food crop, the high price 10r the grower so important. might mean that the consumers who are poor might suffer to a certain extent. So, one h is true you have mentioned in this note must be careful about the food price. When about the role of CACP which fixes prices. we deal with the prices of commercial crops, Do they fix the price properly? This question here is a different situation. We have, on the has to be raised not only in case of tobacco one hand, a mulmude 01 small farmers scat- but also in case of other crops. I know how tered aU over the country and they are facing they fix the price. I am in touct' with the a small number of very powerful corporate Commission for many years now. The interests with enormous bargaining strength. Members of the Commission themselves This small number of businessmen, traders will tell you in confidence that it is done very and companies which control the market arbitrarily. There is no basis. The cost esti- a1so act in collusion with one another and m.s which are available from different they can control and manipulate the price parts of the country do not match. The cost effectively. The small farmer has no choice estimates are very arbitrary and unscientific. against the corporate interests in the market A few years back, in fad, the Commission unless he is fully supported by the Govern- itself gave a report where they said that their ment. When you come to the commercial own estimates of cost were very doubtful crop, this dtfference has to be kept in mind and dubious and that a Committee should be because in a situation where the small appointed to ensure that the cost estimates number of oligopolistic buyers are working in were. property done. So, the prices they collusion, it is a completely new situation declare are adually based on very ~ubious where they can manipulate the prices and cost estimates which do not reflect the reality they can cheat both the workers and the· on the ground. I would like to make very growers at the same time and the high level specific points. For example, the farmer is of expertise already existing should be kept now making a major investment. He is not in mind. I find that the policy of the Govern- the old type of farmer who is getting some ment both during the previous Government cowdung and relying on rain. This kind of and also during the present regime, is to farmer is now cultivating the tobacco and appeal to the corporate interest and not to other commercial crops. The farmer is making look at the interest of the growers. For ex- enormC»us investment in a number of inputs. ample, the new textite policy has been de- A" these inputs must be covered by the price clarect. for modernisation of jute and indus- which he gets. Otherwise. his farming will be tries other various things have been done. of no value. I would also make the point For tobacco also, more interest is given to which has been made by the Prime Minister the problems of tobacco manufacturers. But himse" that the value of labour must be what about the growers? In fact, when • covered b'(the pMce. When I say the value of raised this issue, I addressed it to Shri Om labour, the wage which he could have got if Lal. I thought that Shri Devi laJ was the he worked for somebody else, should be appropriate Minister to answer this question. takan into account Not only the simp1e wage We are interested in the price which the but the minimum wage dectared by the 421 Call Attention VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Virginia Flus 422 fall in prices of Cured Tobacco Government, should be taken into account, ment. They are not getting proper retum out for declaring such a price. In case of to- of it in these years when they suffer enormous baCCO, which it is a labour intensive crop, it is loss, some growers commit suicide. This very very important, that labour element is kind of situation should not occur. given the right emphaSIS so that the value of labour is reflected in the price which the I would also like to make a point about cuhivatar gets at the end of the day. the bodies which are supposed to purchase the crops. h is true that the CACP declares I would also like to make a point that the price, or some other organisation de- since agriculture is also being run almost like clares the price. Now, somebody has to an industry, where people are getting credit purchase that crop at that particular price from the bank and the market and making from the farmer. What has been our experi- investment, the. return from the agricuhure ence? It does not happen. The question is should be at par wrth the return from any whether it is the Tobacco Board or the JCI or other economic activity. The relative return the Cotton Corporation, they never go to the from Agriculture should be taken into ac- market on time. By the time they go to the count for calculating the price. The farmer market the farmer does not have the goods should get the return which is aUeast at par in his hands. h has already gone to the with the return whICh one normally gets by agents. It the case of tobacco, there is an investing money in other activities as well. If argument given. The argument is that you they do not get this for the borrowings from require drying barns and all that .. So they sell the bank, the farmer should have to face it to the agents because 1hey only have the serious d~ficultles in paying back the loan. drying barns and others do not have it. Hthat is the case then the Government should take Regarding tobacco or cotton, for all these initiative to ensure that the others also can crops once in a few years, there would be use drying barns on collective basis, so that serious drought. and there would be serious farmers do not completely come under the natural calamity and the production would control of the agents, the iQtermediaries, go down So, the price which you declare for who appropriates most of the profits, and it is certain commodities has to take into account not the farmer who gets anything but of it and the possibilny that once in 3,4 or 5 years high prices sometimes rule the market. So, there will be a serious difficuny facing the these are some of the points which I would farmer. So, in order to make him survive, It is like to strongly emphasise. necessary that the pnce of crop should have an insurance element buitt into it and he can Then timings should be proper. When face this calam~y. If the prices are too low, he the companies intervene in the market, they would not have sufficient savings to survive should come with sufficient money in their such calamity. hands. They should not run out of money in the middle of such purchase operation. As I said, there should be a parity with Further, there should be adequate ware- the industrial price. The terms of trade have housing facilities. The infrastructure has to to be taken into account. It IS not a question be built so that the farmer does not have to of fixing the price of tobacco to the extent face helpless situation vis-a-vis the corpo- what the farmer spends In terms of Inputs, rate interest and vis-a-vis the inter-m€diar- but it IS also a question of what the tob~cco les. farmer is paying for bUYing various industrial goods which come to him In the Village Lastly, I wou Id make the point about the market. So, unless the terms of trade are waiver of loan. In my recent speech on the taken into account, unless parity IS main- Budget I also mentioned that. The point is tained between agricunure and industry. it that such loan waivers should be linked with would be very serious, very alarming for the loan holdings. That is another point. You can agricutturists to make such a major invest- do it once. You cannot do ~ every time. If you 423 CsJI Antmtion APRIL 26, 1990 Vllflinia Ru. 424 fall in prices of eur.d Tobacco [Or. Biplab Dasgupta] repeated anything. would do it every time, there will be no MR. DEPUlY·SPEAKER: You made banking system, no cooperative system. " good points. There is no doubt about it. you want the agriculture to develop, ~ you want rural development, you can waive loans SHRI K. S. RAO ( Machilipatnam): Mr. only once. If you keep on doing it, there will Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is qu~e unfortunate be no rural development. Much more effec- that the tobacco growers are being exploited tive would be to ensure a proper remunera- right from the beginning. tive price to the farmers and that is not going to hurt the consumers because in this case MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Rao, what the consumers have the industrial interests. I told to Mr. Dasgupta aPPlies to you also. They will not be hurt. But the remunerative Pl,ase be within the limits. price would give a lot of benefit to the cu~iva tors and it will build up the morale of the SHRI K. S. RAO: h will apply after my cu~ivators and it would make them invest in completion .. (/nteffuptions) I now oome to this important sector. Therefore. for this the subject. Sir, right from the beginning reason the price has to be very good, remu- exploitation is made by the traders and the nerative enough for them to make such a exporters. In the beginning it was so horrible cultivation attractive. There should be a that the traders and exporters never used to provision to provide more credij to the farm- pay the money in time and there were occa- ers. There should be a provision for insur- sions'when they delayed the payments run- ance facilities to the farmers. So far, these ning into crores of rupees for more than a things have not been adequately provided to couple,of years. Though this was cut down them. What I find is a very alarming situation by bringing the system of auction stili there is so far as the tobacco growers are con- a lot to be done. Every year it has become a cerned. Whatever you do IS not going to problem, created by the collusion of the benefit the growers .. (lnterruptions) I would traders in this regard. The exploitations by request the hon. Minister to look into this the traders and exporters invariably are: (i) matter and work out a strategy which helps by the collusion to under-quote because the tobacco farmers. They are not to be left there was no regulation except the minimum in a helpless condition as we find them to support price which is not at all a price. It has day. no rationale behind it. In the matter of fixatic:'l of price there is no rationale. The second MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: You have point is this: I understand the traders will try made good points. But to see that Call Atten- to get the order or stall the orders from either tion Motions are properly treated in the Russia or America or from any other import- House,1 would like to read this portion for the ing country till the end of the season so that benefit of the entire House: they 'can purchase the tobacco from the growers at a very cheap price. They will then '1'here shall be no debate on such state- get orders at higher prices. While the Gov- ment at the time it is made but each ernment is very particular in fixing the mini- member in whose name the item stands mum export price at which this commodity

in the list 01 businoss may , w~h the can be sold I it is not particular to fix up the permission of the Speaker. ask a clari- minimum support price to the growers in a ficatory question and the Minister shall rationale way. Everyone of us will be sur- reply at the end to all such questions." prised to know while the prices \n the market are very high like about As. 19 or As. 23, the But we have been quite indulgent. minimum support price is only Rs. 14/- If the Anyhow this should be within the limits. han. Minister tries to take sheber under the pretext that the prices that are being there in DR. BIPLAB DASGUPTA: I have not the market are more than the minimum 425 Call Attention VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Virginia Flue 426 fall in prices of Cur«i Tobacco support price, that is no reason at all, there theory. Their theory is, if this cash compen- is no satisfaction at all as far as this issue is satory support were to be there for the trad- concerned. There can be satisfaction Hthe ars, many more traders would come forward minimum support price is rationale. I would to earn more foreign exchange. All right. All quote my own experience as a Member of this is possible only when the grower is paid the Tobacco Board last year. When we found the remunerative price. It is quite known to that these tradars are explo~ing the growers everyone of us that this MSP should not be very much, we called a meeting, discussed uttered in Parliament because there is no with the traders and the exporters as alsothe rationale behind it. There is no rationale indigenous manufacturers. When we asked visible in it when it is twice the price prevail- them to convince us as to how they could not ing in the market. What is the sanct~y of the pay more to the growers, they did not have MSP when it is Rs. 10? It should not have an answer. Ultimately when we asked them been there. In the statement given by the that the minimum export price they are get- Minister, it is said that price is more than the ting isso much and oeyond that also they are MSP: It can be when the MSP is appropriate. going to get higher price-which they derive I request the hon. Minister not to once again from the minimum export price-how much harp upon the minimum support price. This they are going to pay to the growers, they matter was discussed in the Tobacco Board, said they give the growers Rs. 20.60. They time and again and the Tobacco Board is themselves have come forward to admit this quite aware of the problems of the traders, in the presence of the han. Minister, the Qxporters and the growers. We have de- Tobacco Board Chairman and many other cided rationally in many a meeting that mini- officials connected with the Ministry of mum support price has to be increased Commerce. But when they went back, they substantially. And this recommendat!on of never kept up their prom ise. they once again the Tobacco Board has come before the resorted to the same type of exploitation. Ministry. But no action has been taken so far. When they agreed to pay that minimum The Minister may take shener under the guarantee price, In the presence to the pretext that this minimum support price has Ministry, which was less than the minimum to be fixed by the Agricuttural Prices Com- export price, it was found reasonable, taking mi~ion and not by the Commerce Ministry. into account their expenditure and every- But when you are the person dealing with thing, they exported the commodity and they export, when you arethe person dealing with did not keep their promise purely to exploit tobacoo growers as well as the tobacco the unfortunate growers, in spite of the fact exporters and the individual manufacturers, that there is regulation, there is a Govern- you must put your weight. You must impress ment to check them. ThiS IS the scant regard upon the Ministry of Agriculture or you must or the fear they have for the Government. In call a meeting of the Agricultural Prices spite of all these things, the Government is Commission and explain to them about the giving them the cash compensatory support. cost ·of producing this tobacco-whether We are not against ~. But you are paying the there is any rationale, whether there is any cash compensatory support only after the formal or the technical strength in it. But entire tobacco is sold out in the market at the nothing has been done in this regard. I explo~ed price. To whom should this CCP requestthe Ministerthatthis aspect must not go? Should it go to the grower orto the trader be taken into account half-heartedly, not as who h~ already exploited the grower? The if it is a gift to the tobacco growers but it must Government must see that once they pay be taken into account seriously. What is cash compensatory support, they must also happening is regard to the manufactured ensure that it is shared by the growers at goods in this country? In every th ree months least. Otherwise, ff the growers were not to you are raising the price and there is hufla get the remunerative price and if they stop gul/a everywhere in the country. You take producing the tobacco, where will this trade any commodity, the same is the situation. Is be? I can understand the Government's it only the poor growers who should suffer at 427 Call Attention APRIL 26, 1990 Virginia FluB 428 fall in prices of Cured Tobacco (Sh. K.S. Aao] The STC was hitherto entering into the market. Now when we ask the STC today, the hands of the Government, at the hands even the hon. Minister will say that the STC of the explohers? When we can consider had entered eartier and lost about Rs. 10 or taking precaution to secure the interest of Rs. 20 crores in one year. Will you kindly the industrial manufacturers, why should we analyse the situation as to why only the STC not take care of the poor farmers? All right. has lost and why the traders have not lost? Let an expert commission consisting oHarm- I wi" tell you the reason. The STC has no ers and your officers go into the details of the facilnies of grading tobacco. The STC enters cost of producing the tobacco and then decide into the market and purchase the tobacco at about it. Then, you may say that it cannot be the price the Government asks it to purchase decided on that rationale and ~ must be or at the minimum guaranteed price. Then ~ decided on the international price because gives the tobacco to the same traders who we have to export it. All right. You take both are exploiting the growers. What they do is, these things account-the international price they purchase the first quality and the sec- of the tobacco at which we are exporting and ond quality tobacco, in the guise of grading, the manufacturing cost of the tobacco grow- from the STC and replace it by Nth rate ers and then arrive at a decision. There is tobacco with the connivance of the officers justification in it. When we can fix the mini- concerned. Then this Nth grade tobacco mum export price, why should we not fix the certainly will cause loss. Because of the mini mum support price?Please concentrate mistakes commhted by the officers, do you on that. I request the hon'. Minister not to be want to say that growers cannot be rescued? guided by any such record or statement You check those tendencies; you curb those given by the officers concerned without going tendencies and ensure that this is done into the rationale behind that. Let not my hon. properly. You safeguard the interests of the colleagues be carried away that the farmers growers. are getting more than the MSP. The MSP has no value. Even if STC were not to be depended upon. if you have feeling that Hyou allow the STC to enter into the market once again they The second aspect is about the recom- . will make the exchequer lase about Rs. 10 mendations of the Tobacco Board. We have crores, then think of the Tobacco Board. The seen enough of it from our own experience Tobacco Board has got enough officers who and not just without ~aving any knowledge. are experienced and knowledgeable in this We have visited the offices and farms and regard, It has got the acquaintance and we have calculated the working cost. We "association with the tobacco growers. If the have convened a conference of tne growers; Tobacco Board were to be given a stabilising we have convened a conference of the in- fund of As. 10 crores-it is to stabilise and digenous manufacturers of cigarette; we have not to lose-it can enter into the market at convened a conference of the exporters and such eventual~ies and come to the rescue of local traders. Then we have come to the the farmers. conclusion that this problem will be a peren· nial problem unless we find a long-lasting Don't forget that the tobacco that is solution. The one solution which we found being manufactured or produced by the dunng our discussions is that whenever the tobacco growers is giving Rs. 2000 crores to Tobacco Board, which is mainly meant to the exchequer by way of excise by the ciga- protect the mteres's 01 the tobacco growers rette manufacturers. 50% of the tobacco as also regulate the production and market- produced in this country is being consumed Ing, finds that these growers are subject to by the indigenous manufacturers. If you bring exploitation by traders, then the Tobacco a statutory order that these indigenous Board must immediately enter into the mar- manufacturers must purchase only through ket. the tobacco auction platforms at a minimum 429 Call Attention VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Virginia FlUB 430 fall in prices of Cured Tobacco guaranteed price-even if 50% is assured- country? Several atmosphericoonditions and the grewers will get the right price. The rest soil conditions permitted the tobacco grow- of the 50% can also be safeguarded by ers to grow only in specific areas namely. ensuring that the export orders are secured Ongole, Nellare, Guntur and other parts of in time. Andhra Pradesh. Thesethings must be taken into account by the hon, Minister. nis not too While this goes for a permanent solu- late. You please send the STC. They need tion, this year as my han. colleague has not have to purchase the entire 50 million kg. already said, the growers have lost As. 4.50 It is enough if the traders come to know that on an average on 47.5 million kgs. which the Government is sending the STC to pur- comes to more than As. 20 crores. Can chase any amount of tobacco at MGr and farmers lose about As. 25 crores in one automaticalJy they will give. So, there is no season? They are going to lose very much. need for the STC to purchase the fulrquan- tity. Our experience in the last several years You have given in your statement that tell us that it will be only 10 p~r cent or 5 per the prices are a liUle up and now it is satisfac- cent of the total production or even less. So, tory, No. They are satisfactory only today you should not fear that by your asking the because a discussion is going on in the STC, to enter into the market, immediately Parliamet't on a Calling Attention notice. your exchequer will lose very heavily. Please You see from the 1st of May the prices are understand this aspect and make the STC or going to fall down abnormally. Then the the Tobacco Board to enter into the pur- average price will crumble down like any- chases immediately. thing and they will suffer very badly. We cannot come to their rescue at that point of MA. DEPUTY SPEAKER: This is too time. They will only look to you. When we are much. Please conclude. prepared to spend thousands of crores of rupees for industrialists and hundreds of SHRI K. S. RAO: I will make only one crores of rupees for industrialists and hun- point. dreds of crores of rupees for the General Insurance Corporation. can we not give Rs. Unfortunately, the growers have lost 20 to As. 30 crores to them? Can you not very ~eavily. I will request the hon. Minister spare it? " you are not able to give As. 20 to think in terms of providing at least threeto creres, at least you give a deposit of As. 20 four rupees per kg for all those unfortunate crores or As. 10 crores to the Tobacco growers who have already sold their product Board, ij not STC, which may immediately of 47 million kg, either by getting it from the enter into the market and sell them. There excise that you have collected-two thousand are occasions when the tobacco growers crores or s~r from an~ other means which had to sell their wives' mangalasutra. We you feel fit. Thank you very much. cannot understand their position from here. We can understand from there only. AN HON. MEMBER: ~r, can you allow me to speak? As my colleague has also said, I know that you are suggesting for a change of crop. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No. It Is not This crop is not being raised in assu red allowed. Now, the Minister. water facil~y area. This crop is being raised only in dry land, where there is no other SHAI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Sir, some facility to raise any other crop. It is found by very important points have been made and I the Government and also by 'the scientists would like to deal with them at some length. that this particular area is suitable for tobacco only. Otherwise tobacco could have India today is the fourth largest pro- been grown anywhere in the country. Why is ducer and the sixth largest eKporter, after it not being raised in other parts of the USA, Brazil, Turkey, Greece, and Italy. But q1 can Attention APRIL 26, 1990 Vllpinia Flue 432 fall in pric9s of Cured Tobacco [Sh. Arun Kumar Nehru) that the Government can try to do its best in this area. But at the same tim., these forces thft faat of the matter is that the exports which of supply and demand are something which had touched its peak in 1981-82, that is, by you cannot regulate all through. The produc- over Rs. two hundred crores. We had ex- tion has to be regulated. Hwe are talking of ported nearly 114 million kg. It had dropped a fair and a good price to the farmer, then we substantially since then and then in the cur- have, also to ensure that we do not produce rent year, the exports are worth Rs. 136 far in excess of what the requirement is. I cror. and the figure is closer to 52 million agree with you that it is not very easy to shift kg. Similar situation is there on tobacco an already existing cropping pattern which is products also. I think we have to face the there. But at the moment. there is no aherna- reality of the situation. The first thing is that tive. I mean, we have to look at the hard the countries which were once large import- realities. STC can intervene. In fact, they will ers are now growing ~ 10t of their own to- intervene. We have got some orders. We bacco, for Instance take China. It was grow- have been trying to get fresh orders ~rom ing a thousand million kg, It is now growing new customers. But it is not enough. Even if two thousand five hundred million kg. A you can tide over the problem in the current country like Soviet Russia which was buying year, you will not get. You will hav~ the same from us, 43 thousand tonnes has now problem again in the next year. dropped their purchase to 15 thousand tonnes. Now. whichever way we look at it. the SHAI K. S. RAO: You regulate it. reality of the situation IS that the people are smoking less. For Virginia tobacco which is SHAI AAUN KUMAR NEHRU: h is very going into cartain sophisticated markets In easy to say this. But I know in practical terms, the Western Europe and UK. there is a very it is very very difficult. You cannot penalise massive campaign against smoking. I think the ~armer if he produces more. The fact is the sooner we 1ake the raahty Into account, thatthe Tobacco Board today is supposed to the better It would be. If you take for instance, regUlate but is unable to do so. Since all the the positIon for the last five years, your Members khowthe position in the field, know domestic consumption is between 45 and 50 the position with the farmer, you will agree million kg. There is not a very large variation that it is very difficult to punish the farmer for In ~. I mean, there is no growth. We are not prodUcing more. At the sarna time. the farmer seeing a drop in it. The exports constitute has also got to realise the reality of the nearly fifty per cent. From 50 million kilo- situation that the market is shrinking. grams in 1985, you are down to 35 million kilograms in 1989. So, it is a declining figure. Now, WI intend to have more detailed H you see the prICes, which both the han. discussions with the Ministry of Agriculture Members have referred to, the positIOn is and also with the State Government be- ~t)rtremely erratic. In 1985-86, we had an cause it ;s a very serious problem on our average price of Rs. 10.90. For the various hands. I am very very clear about ~ that in the grades, I am taking the average. It improved future years, the production win have to in 1986-87 to Rs. 12.50. It crashed in 1987- come down. We will have to divert the land to 88 to Rs. 8.20. In 1988-89, it went up again other uses. We have to see that the farmer to As. 16.30, Than. it was Rs. 16.60. Now in doesnoHose. We have to get viablealtema- this year. it has gone down again to Rs. tives for him. The assistance that we can 15,08. The Member very correctly said that give from the Commerce Ministry, we will a~ the lower quality has come in now. the certainly give. price win dip turther. We reckon that tor this season, it will vary between Rs. 14 to As. SHRI K. S. RAO= What about sending 14.50. STCnow?

I think, the important point here r.sally is SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: I have 433 Call Attention VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Virginia Flue 434 fall in prices of Cured Tobacco said that they will go. this aspect into account because 50 per cent of what we produce really goes out by ex- SHRI K. S. RAO: Immediately? port. So, in the current s~uation, we will certainly take necessary measures. STC will SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Yes. certainly intervllne and I am sure we will be able to tide over the problem. SHRI K. S. RAO: You make an announcement. .. SHRI K. S. RAO: Will you give dear instructions to purchase at MCP and not at SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: I am MSP as MSP has no value? making. the announcement now. They will intervene. PROF. N. G. RANGA (Guntur): STC i. not C9ming into the market. I do not want to go in great length about the auction system and the benefits of the SHRI ARUN KUMA~ NEHRU: You have auction system because you are well aware come a little late. I have been speaking for of it. I can repeat everything. But it will take the last fifteen minutes. You have not heard more time. " what I have said earlier. STC will be intervening, as I have said. We will try to do what we In regard to the minimum support price can. But, as I have said, the practical prob- also. there have bllen a lot of discussions. lem remains regarding the supplies and The point is, you have to have a basis demands. We will try to see what best we can somewhere. We can re-Iook on the wholll do. In tbe current vear, I am sure that we will issue. After all, this is not a static situation. get over the problem. But the same problem Thecostswillkeepvarying.lthink, weshould will be reoccurring ~ we do not take effective have a mechanism whereby we can analyse and corrective action now, which we will do. the cost at a particular time because what is relevant in 1985 is not necessarily relevant in PROF. N. G. RANGA: Is it true that 1990. So, the han Members had made some there is a Russian order for huge quantity of very valuable suggestions. We will take that tooacco and yet, neither the STC nor the into account. Tobacco Board had not made adequate response to that order? On the export front, several steps have been taken to generate exports. We are in a MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Ranga, very difficult position. I have personally you are a very very senior Member and you spoken to many trade representatives. The know that this is not allowed. USSR was very kind. They have felt the sort of a situation. As you know, the export duty SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: I have on unmanufactured tobacco was abolished no objection to reply. from April, 1986. Like that, several other measures have also been taken. We are MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Voucan reply· also examining the possibility of getting new to him later on. markets like Portugal. Iraq, North Korea, Madagascar, IndoneSia and so on. I can give SHRI K. S. RAO: No Sir. This is a very you the analysis of all the markets and I can important matter. Tobacco growers are say that whichever ma;ket we look into, we awaiting his reply. He was asking about the do not see the tobacco sales coming up In Russian order. If he gives his reply now, the tuture. We feel that the anti-smoking cam- prices will be stabilised. If he does not an- paign, in the West, IS dominating. I know that nounce, then it will have an impact on the the hon. Member here IS very fond of good growers once again. If he answers as to cigars. But I think that non-smokers are whether or not he is feeling that he is going winning over the smokers. We have to take to get some orders from Russia or els8- 435 Matters under APRIL 26, 1990 Ru/e377 436

(Sh. K.S. Rao] 14.00 hrs. where, that itself will have an impact on the (II) Need to revive old fishing price of tobacco. harbour. and to set up a new fishing harbour at Chombala SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Sir, I (district Callcut) In Kerala have already made the statement that USSR have been buying tobacco from us. What the SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMACHAN- han. Member has said here is slightly differ- DRAN (Cannanore): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, ent from what I have said. Sir, the State of Kerala wnh its long coastal line contributes considerably to the marine MA, DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now. we will wealth of the country. A good percentage of take up Matters under Rule 377. the population of the State depends directly or indirectly on fishing for their livelihood. Revival of the old harbour and also setting up of new fishing harbours will be extremely 13.59 hrs. useful to promote fishing in these areas, especially the deep sea fishing. MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 It is, therefore, earnestly requested that [English1 'the hon. Minister for Surface Transport may be pleased to initiate early steps for reviving (I) Need to set up satellite port at old ports and harbours like Ashikkal port and Visakhapatnam Mapila Bay in Cannanore; and the Beypore Port and Puthiappa Harbour in Calicut, and SHRIMATI UMA GAJAPATHI RAJU to set up a newfishing harbour at Chombala (Visakhapatnam): Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, in Calicut, which is one of the best fish Visakhapatnam is known as the city of des- yielding beaches along Kerala's coast. tiny andtffe destiny of this growing megapo- lis in Andhra Pradesh is linked to industrial (iii) Need to approve the agree- growth and the ~eel plant. the Vizag Port ment signed between the has a capacity which economists have pro- management and workers of tected. It will be able to handle only that FACT, Cochin tonnage which is related to the Steel Plant actiVitieS when it goes into full production. There is an urgent need for setting up of PROF. K. V. THOMAS (Ernakulam): petrochemical complex and the two Ther- Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, a draft agreement mal Power Projects during the Eighth Plan. has been signed between the management Both these Thermal Projects envisage tr,ns- of FACT, eochin and employees unions in portation of coal from Orissa by sea. 11 is to November, 1989 after a prolonged discus- meet this growing port capacity and to mini- sion on long term settlement and wage pol- mize pollution from the Steel Plant in the icy. FACT is one of the few public sector Vlzag Port, a Satellite Port In Gangavaram fertilizer companies that make a profit. was proposed. The future growth of Vizag is Workers hav.e contributed their sweet and therefore inexorably hnked with setting up of blood for the record production and produc- this Port within the Eighth Plan. tivity in FACT. But the Government of India has not yet cleared this draft agreement even after a period of five months of signing I request the Government of India to the draft agreement. I request the Govern- order setting up of second port there at the ment to take immediate steps to approve the earliest. draft agreement. 437 Matters under VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Rule377 438

(Iv) Need to grant more pay to use only such utensils as are durable, can be Anganwadl workers and to easily cleaned and not prone to be toxic. Impart them proper training Salem Steel Plant, a public sector un- [ Translation) dertaking has been producing stainless steel till now. A.I.S.I. 304 grade steel had "been in SHRI SARJU PRASAD SAROJ (Mo- use for manufacturing the utensils, the hanlalganj): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there A.I.S.I.E. 304 grade has become very costly has been a signfficant contribution of An- now as a result of the increase in the price of ganwadi workers in effectively implementing 'Nickle' in the international market. Conse- the Child Development Programmes through- quently, due to the decrease in the percent- out the country. age of Nickle in 1hese utensils the present stainless steel is of 202 quamy and the Anganwadi workers have to perform a drawbacks of such utensils are that they are wide spectrum of duties which inter-alia not durable and are prone to rusting and Include dist. ibution of eatables like bread food-poisoning. This stainless steel is not and biscuits etc. to the children besides totally secure. We have been receiving taking care of their health and getting them complaints from our consumers for about vaccinated frail' time to tim e. Then they have two and a ha~ years now. Thus: to carry out periodical population surveys of their respective Anganwadi areas, teaching 1. The manufacturers of the children and educating womenfolk of stainless steel should their respective areas about the family plan- obtain a certificate trom Bureau of Indian Stan- ning methods etc. dards about the steel of Anganwadi Workers have to perform all this grade in·regard to its these duties but they are paid a pa~ry amount purity. of Rs. 275 per month as remuneration. In view of the prevailing high prices of all 2. the consumers should be commodities, the Anganwadi workers are acquainted with the n~w unable to meet their basic necessities with products through the ads of audio-visual media this amount. besides the English, Hindi and other regional lan- Therefore, I strongly urge upon the guage tlewspapers. Central Government to raise the remunera- tionof Anganwadi workers to As. 600 at least 3. An effective mechanism and also arrange for suitable training for is needed to ensure that them with a view to open avenues of promo- the consumers are not tion for them so that these workers work with deceived. more devotion and contribute more and more towards Child Development Prcgrammes. I urge the hon. Minister to take afore-mentioned (v) Need to ensure that stainless steps. steel utensil producers fulfill the norms laid down by the Need to look Into the grlev· Bureau of Indian Standards (vi) ances of the Workers of Khadl Ashramas in the country SHRIMATIJAYAWANTINAVINCHAN- ORA MEHTA (Bombay North East): Mr. SHRI MITRASEN YADAV (Faizabad): Deputy Speaker, Sir, the stainless steel Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir, the whole time utensils are used both by the rich and the stipendiary employees of Khadi Ashram and poor in India. Today's consumer wants to 439 Matters under Rule 377 APRIL 26, 1990 Member Sworn 440 Disc. under Rule 193 Atrocities on SC & ST [Sh. Mitrasen Yadav] 14.05 hrs.

MEMBER SWORN other allied Khadi Institutions are agitated for the past few years. They have from time to Shrimati Bimal Kaur (Ropar) time been demonstrating against their exploitation. As a resu~ of inaction on the part of the management as well as the Govern; ment, deep discontentment has gripped lakhs 14.06 hrs. of such employees. They demand that the whole-time employees of Gandhi Ashrams DISCUSSION UNDER RULE 193 and other Khadi Institutes should be !:Jiven proper pay-scales and other facilities as are Atrocities on Scheduled castes and enjoyed by those of Khadi Commission. In Scheduled Tribes-CONTD. Public interest, the Khadi Institutions should be nationalised. There should be an increase [English] in the wages of weavers and spinners. A commission should be set up to book in to MA. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We will now the aspects of employees' appointments and take up discussion under Rule 193. Yes, Mr. promotion. Misappropriation of funds in the Sultanpuri. Khadi Institution should be checked and the payment of salaries tothe employees should [ Trans/ation] be made through Banks and the employees should be brought under the purvtew of the SHRI K. D. SUL TANPURI (Shimla): Mr. Labour laws. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am grateful to you for giVing me time to express my view.( Interruptions) (vii) Need to take steps to repair the breaches in Sone Canal SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD SHASTRI (Rewa): Kindly permit me to raise matter under Rule 377. Owing to certain reasons, I SHRI RAMESHWAR PRASAQ (Arrah): was not able to be present in the House in Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the 15 year old time. Sone Canal that irrigates approximately 23 lakh acres of land in six districts of Bhojpur, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I can permit Rohtas, Patna, Jehanabad, Gaya and Au- you to participate in the discussion under rangabad of Bihar State has undergone many Rule 193, if you are willing to. Time to raise breaches at several places. Its waters often matter under Rule 377, is over. We have damage the standing crops after rupturing gone ahead by 2-3 items. the barrage and crossing over to the fields. Consequently, there is a large scale wast- ( Interruptions) age of water which makes adequate irrigation ofthe area impossible. Hsuch a situation SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI: Mr. Deputy continues, this rice-rich area of Bihar will Speaker, Sir, the atrocities on Harijans is not soon go dry. a recent development, they are ~s victim right from their birth. Em inent leaders of this country like Mahatma Gandhiji, Jawaharlal Thus, there is a need to repair and Nehru and others contributed a lot for their modernise this canal without delay. The uplif.tment but efforts in this direction have Central Governmentshou Id imm ediately take continuously met with various impediments. steps in this direction. This is the reason that they were always pushed to the lowest rung of the ladder. 441 Disc. under Rule 193 VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on SC & ST 442

Dr. Ambedkar framed the Constnution Deputy Collector or a Judge who indulges in of the country and made provisions for their an act of high handedness. I understand that representation is Assembly, Parliament and the Committee of S.C. and S.T. of Parlia- Metropolitan Council. Not only this, he re- ment' SUbmits its report to the House but ~s served posts for them in Services. Our coun- recommendations have neither been imple- try became independent on 15th August, mented nor they have been discussed in this 1947 and the new constitution was enforced House. Thus, we have to decide whether we on 26th January, 1950. Even after 42 years are prepared to take steps in the direction of of independence the people belonging to their upliftment and curb the atroc~ies being Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes committed on them? Progress in this direc- are leading a very troublesome Ine. In the far tion can be made, only when all the hon. flung areas of the country their cond~ion is members of this august House realize that highly deplorable and the schemes that were the poor have to be uplifted. If you say planned for their upliftment have failed mIs- emphatically that the Harijans are being erably. uplifted, then 'it will be a wrong statement. Today if we go to Connaught Place, we find As far as Congress In concerned, they that they do not have any property there, if took appropriate steps In this direction. Pre- we go to a village there too they have no viously forthem, the barber's shop In market property and the ownership right that was place used to be located in a separate place, given to them by Government, by Indiraji or they were forbidden to draw drinking water in other words by the Congress Party, could from the wells. in the villages there were not be fully claimed by them till date. The separate roads for them, they could not take cultivation that they do is in the name of part in celeberations, but our Congress Party others. In business too they stand no-where. removed all the restrictions that were im- The present Government has decided to posed on them in the past. Today, in the waive loans worth Rs. 10 thousands in the regime of the present Government, the case of farmers. In this regard, I would like to HariJan women are stripped and compelled say that ij the Government have decided to to dance and thus they are being insulted, bring Harijans above the poverty line then and disrespected in society. I would like to they should tell us the extent of waiving the say that there have been many occasions loans in the entire country. If the Govern- and even today it has been brought to the ment does not take any step in the direction notice of the present Government also. The of waiving their loans and at the same time issue of Shivpuri was raised Mr. Malhotra gives them assurances that loans worth Rs. made an excellent proposal and said that the 500 to Rs. 1000 would be waived, I think it atrocities on the Scheduled CastQs and would be an act of injustice towards them. h Scheduled Tribes in our Society is not a is necessary for the Government to take secret. The huts and houses that are set similar steps while dealing with the Harijans. ablaze, mostly belong to Harijans and most In the case of farmers you can waive loans of the atrocities are committed on them. Ever worth Rs. 10 thousand then in the case of since this Government assumed power, it Harijans you should make similar provisions has not taken any concrete step in the direc- for doing away with loan upto Rs. 20 thou- tion of their upliftment. Only step taken is to sand so that there appears to be no dnfer- set up a Commission un

4 ·Translation of the speech originally delived in Punjab 445 Disc. under Ru/e 193 VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on SC & ST 446

Secondly I would like to inform the Han. (Dhandhuka): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I Speaker that there is an atmosphere of vio- would like to brief you about the charijable lence in Punjab. Youth are being killed in work being done by BhartiyaJanata Party for police encounters every day. The relatives the welfare of the 'Harijans'. On the occasion of those people who have deserted their of the birthday of Deen Dayal Upadhyay, As. homes are harassed by the police. A large 2/- per person are collected as donation for number of youth have been kept in illegal the 'Daridra Narain Kosh' which is used for confinement. Police does not tell us anything the upliftment of the Harijans and for running about them. I would like to request the Hon. a 'Vanvasikendra': All the Harijans and Tribals Speaker that we should be informed whether are given economic aid for their studies. they are actually in police custody or have they been killed in fake police encounters, or In mY'view, there are three reasons for else what are their whereabouts. They should atroc~ies that are being committed on Sched- e~herbereleasedorproduced in the Court.AII uled Castes and Scheduled Tribes: (1) long these fake police encounters should be drawn land disputes in respect of the allot- Immediately stopped. The President of Akali ment of Government land and surplus land Dal Sardar Simranjit Singh Mann and Shri to the landless belonging to Scheduled Dhyan Singh Mand had come twice earlierto Castes and Scheduled Tribes, (2) the ten- the Parliament House to take oath. We say sion and resentment arising out of the non- that we should abide by the Constitution. payment of minimum wages by the State Under Article 25 of the Constitution, every Governments, (3) resentment against the person, every sikh, has the right to wear and conc!ousness of Scheduled Castes and carry the sword. You can go through Article Scheduled Tribes regarding their rights as 25. It is written that every sikh can carry and provided through different legislative and wear Kirpan and the size in not mentioned executive measures under the constitutional here. When we had come to take the oath provisions. These are the three reasons why earlier we had written 10 1he Speaker 1hat this the harijans are being opressed. is our Constitutional right and it should be given to us. But I am sorry to say that we have One fourth of the total population 010ur not yet received any replay to that letter. country constitutes Scheduled Castes and After that two months have already elapsed. Scheduled Tribes. However, the standard of living of these people is stili pitiable and [English] miserable. They are suffering the atrocities in their villages. At the behest of family MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You can not members of a former Minister of State be- make a mention about Hon. Speaker here. longing to the Congress Party in our State atrocities were committed on Harijans in SHRIMATI BIMAL KAUR: Shrr Mann their village Sambhalda in district Mehsana, had ~Iso written twice. Two-months ago Shri as a result of which they were forced to leave Mann wrote these letters. the village. They have not returned to the village as yet. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We do not refer to the Hon. Speaker's actions on the There IS another former Congress Min- Floor. ister. An eighteen year old youth was mur- dered In his Village Kavita in district Ahme- SHRIMATI BIMAL KAUR: This IS our dabad. He was striped naked before being Constitutional right and therefore we hope killed and now it IS being treated as a case of that you will definitely grant him permission. suicide. Another youth was burnt alive. Such atrocities are being committed on Harijans in [Trans/ation] their villages.

SHRI RATllAL KALIDAS VARMA Their reservation quota in the Govern- 447 Disc. under Rule 193 APRil 26, 1990 Atrocities on SC & ST 448

[Sh. Ratilal Kalidas Varma} name of development by some State Gov- ernments and they are being ousted from ment services is also not being filled. Both their native places. But the facil~ies which social and mental atrocities are being com- are made available to the austees are not mitted on these people. Reserved quota for being extended to them. these categories' in the Government services must be filled. Their 'confidential re- I have with me the crime figures for the ports' are spoiled at the time of their promo- period 1981-1986 which show that the inci- tion, and , thus, their promotion is withheld. dents of atrocities including murders com- This causes great mental tension for these mitted on Harijans have been increasing people. They have not been given any of the instead of showing a downward trend, par- benefits that were envisaged by the archi- ticularly in Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Uttar tects of our constitution, even after 40 years Pradesh, Bihar, Gujarat and Maharashtra. of independence. When this is the condition of Harijans in big states, their plight in small states can be The people belonging to Scheduled easily imagined. Castes and S~heduled Tribes are being deprived of even their normal professions. It I am grateful to you for having given me is being done by the people who have rean opportunity to speak on this subject. ceived technical education. Small weavers are being deprived of their livelihood as big MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. mem- textile mills have snatched away their work. bers, lwould like to tell you that we discussed Their houses are burnt. There is a village this issue yesterday and are continuing the 'Bhocka' in 'Limdi' Taluka where a Hanjan. discussion today also. All the parties have who had gone tothe rationshop, was refused expressed their views. But still I have so supptyof ration and was asked to ne down on many names to be called. I am trying to call the ground and his waist was cleavpd With a all the remaining members. You are re- knife. Thus, such incidents are Increasing quested to be as brief as possible in putting day by day. forward your views, so that everybody is • given a chance. I think, we shall be able to As regards the compensation which IS conclude the discussion on this subject in a paid after their killings, I want to say that the short while from now. After that we shall take value of human lives cannot be assessed in up for discussion the Demands of Irrigation rupees. Parents of a raped girl are given a department. I shall be much obliged ~ you compensation of Rs. 5000/-. Can this amount could express your views In as short a time in any way compensate the insult inflicted on as possible. the victim or can it restore the lost respect of the parents of the victing? Such incidents SHRI KHEMCHANDBHAI SOMABHAI must be checked with heavy hand. Some CHAVDA( Patan): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. people are getting only Rs. 2000 in lieu of I would like to thank han. Malhotraji for their property. This is too meagre an amount. having initiated the discussion on the issue I request the Government to check these of atrocities on Scheduled Castes and Sched- atrocities and, for this purpose, a hedlthy uled Tribes under Rule 193. atmosphere ;s required to be created in the country. All of you know it very well that this is a question of national importance. But it was lastly, I would like to draw your atten- not proper on the part of Shri Rakesh not to tIOn towards the depleting wealth of our have said anything about atrocities on Har- forests. Rights of tribals to forest property ijans'and·Adivasis. Whatever he said against are being taken away. Forests are gradually the hon. Prime Minister is not correct. becoming the monopoly of capitalists. The rights 01 the tribals are being curtaited in the Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I know that b is 449 Disc. under Rule 193 VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on SC & ST,' 450 not possible to do in four months what we his support in removing all these hurdles in could not do in 40 years. However, during the way of abolishing the casteism, so that this period, the National Front Government this evil could be removed from our society. made a Harijan to contest from a general You should make a declaration to the effect seat from Orissa in the 9th Lok Sabha e!ec- that of the four Shankaracharyas, one will be tions who won after defeating two heavy- a Harijan. When I was studying the Constitu- weight princes. Whatever Shri Rakesh said tion during my L.L.B. course. I found that it about the hon. Prime Minister was intended was Sardar Ballabhbhai Patel who had to tarnish his image. suggested to the Fundamental Rights Committee to make a provision in the Consti- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Why are you tution to abolish untouchability and, thus, repeating that? Article 70 of the Const~ution was framed. Fundamental Rights Committee earned [English] worldwide fame for this progressive step. Hindus in India, too, will gain worldwide SHRI KHEMCHANDBHAI SOMABHAI popularity if they make such an effort to root CHAVDA: Sorry, Sir. I am very sorry. I will not out evil of untouchability. The Congress Party do it. calls these people Harijans, the followers of Dr. Ambedkar called them 'downtrodden' ( Trans/ationJ and the Constitution recognises them by the name of Scheduled Castes. My sister May- Is not he aware of the announcement made awatl should not mind it. by the Prime Minister in his press conference that the reservation will continue till the social We have to remove the evil of untouch- and economic status of the Hanjans and the ability. During the Rule of Janata Party, Shri Tribals does not come at per with others? Morarji Desai was the Prime Minister, Shri We have also passed the legislation to this Jagjivan Ram a Cabinet Minister and Shri effect. Devi Lal was the Chief Minister. At that time, a meetmg of, all the Chief Ministers was He must be knowing the things that the called and me'asures were suggested to Prime Minister did in thp memory of Dr. Baba remove untouchability. The Prime Minister, Saheb Ambedkar. Shn Morarji Desai had set a deadline for this purpose and said that untouchability would 14.30 hrs. be removed from the country within 10 years. Thereafter, the Janta Government fell. What ISHRJ NJRMAL CHAITERJEE in the did these people do then? Yesterday I was Chair] listening to Shri Rakesh. Cobblers in Gujarat were not untouchables. But they werp in- A portrait of Dr. Ambedkar was Installed in cluded in the list at Harijans in 1976. A " to the Central Hall, the intentions of our Prime this effect was introduced in the House Within Minister are good and you Will see that his 5 minutes waiving all rules and the cobblers deeds will also be good. But, after all, what is in Gujarat who were not untouchables ear- the actual reasons behind the crueltIes? lier, were converted into Harijans. Certainly, the untouchability is the root-cause of aI/these evils and it is disgrace to the Hindi [English] religion. If we want to aboltsh the practice of untouchability from India, we should see to it They wanted to retain untouchabimy in that of the four Shankaracharyas who are the country. I am giving you one example. supposed to be the custodian of Hindu religion, one should be a HariJan. I make an [ Trans/ation] appeal to you to contact the 'Shankara- charya' who is going to visit Delhi and seek Why was it done? A few cobblers live in 451 Disc. under Rule 193 APRIL 26, 1990 Atrocities on SO & ST 452

ISh. Khernchandbhai Somabhai Chavda] not interested in this discussion. They are more interested in the political repercussion Umargaon Taluka of Gujarat which is adja- of these incidents. (Interruptions) cent to Maharashtfa. Instead of eradicating untouchability from the locality, the Govern- Mr. Chairman, Sir. ~ is a national issue ment made all the cobblers untouchables in and it should be viewed with a national whole in G uj arat. It has created a lot of outlook. I would like to request the National resentment among the Harijans in Gujarat. It Front Government to chalkout a time bo~nd is an injustice to them. I had brought forward programme for this. We do not want that a Private Member's Bill for these purposes, reservation should continue for ever. Wnre but it is not known when it will come up for the citizens of India and not the second class consideration. When my Bill is brought for- c~izens. we are a part of the electorate ward, I shall ask as to what Government enjoying the right of one person one vote. proposed to do in this regard. But the inten- Then what should be done? The 'main tions of the Government were not clear. Hat question is to devise a time bound pro- all they wanted to eradicate untouchability, gramme, for the eradication of untouchabil- they could have done so in Umargaon Ta- ity. Secondly, some steps ar to be taken lukaorUy. Buttheydid notdothat and took an positively in economic matters. Though anti-Harijan measure. provisions of reservation exist in our country, it is not implemented in practice. After the fall Mr. Chairman, Sir, there is not much of Janata Government at the Centre, candi- time. I shall submit more points in this regard dates with higher marks percentage were when the Demand for Grants in respect of not taken in service. it happened in Gujarat the Ministry of Welfare are taken up for when the Congress Party was in power in the discussion. There should be no difference State at that time. I wrote to Giani Zail Singh. between one's utterances and deeds. While the then President pointing out the irregulari- speaking on the current Budget also I had ties that 300 vacancies reserved for Sched- made a similar observation. Mr. Chairman, uled Castes were filled up by appointing Sir, through you, I would like to make a candidates. from the general category. I got submission to the Government that it should the reply that my charges were true and it fix a time limit in regard to reservation, say 5 had happened in Gujarat. At that time the years or 10 years or extend the provisions of Congress Party was in power. I would like to reservation upto 26 January, 2000 and after request that reserved vacancies in various the completion of this period. reservation services and posts in the States and the should be scrapped in the Assemblies and Centre should be filled up fully. It should not the Lok Sabha and with that untouchability take much time, because we get a bad name will have to be totally eradicated from the for this lapse. It is being said that Scheduled country. If the Government devises a time Castes want to continue the provisions of bound programme for this purpose and reservation because they get facilities. Even implements the decision, it will earn world- now one can go to vil!ages and see. wide acclaimation. We talk about apartheid prevailing in the world particularly, In South [English] Africa. But the same thing is also prevalent in our country and we are least concerned with They are living in the outskirts of the that. Hthe Government does not look into it, villages. we the 130 MPs belonging to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes WIll take up [ Translation] the issue. I may remind you that when a discussion was taking place under Rule 193 While Hindus. Muslims and Christians on communal riots, most of the hon. Mem- could live together, but our Harijans brothers bers had left the House. It appears that the cannot live with other people. The position is hon. Members from the Congress Party are same in the cities also. They live in slums. 453 Disc. under Rule 193 VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on SC & ST 454

Though they are Hindus, the barbers refuse was not implemented fully. As per Govern- to do shavings of those people who belong to ment records, reserved vacandes earmarked Scheduled Castes. The Harijans cannot enter for these categories have not been filled up. the temples. They cannot draw water from In their place candidates belonging to other the wells. But now such a position will not categories have been recruited against a longer be allowed. Now it will have wider number of reserved vacancies. That means repercussions. A question may be asked as those reserved vacancies are still vacant. to how long the provisions of reservation Requis~e data for the years from 1984 to should continue. In response to that I would 1988 has been published by the Govern- like to plead that until they are economically ment. The data reveals that hone of the and socially strong and come at par with reserved vacancies which were lying vacant others, the provisions of reservation should during these years have been filled up. Had continue. What will happen ~ reservation is these vacancies been filled up by the Har- scrapped? When the law fails terrorism takes ijans, they could have been benefited eco- birth, I do not say that they will. recourse to nomically. But that was not done. In a num- terrorism. But this the logical conclusion. ber of States reserved vacancies mean for ( Interruptions) Harijans and Adivasis have been filled up by people who belong to upper castes. After [English] independence they have not been given their due· share, not only. in Government MR. CHAIRMAN: There are other speak- service but also in the Government. When ers also from your party. Please try to con- there was Congress regime, only Babu clude now so that others get a chance. Jagjiwan Ram was given a berth in the Cabinet from among the Harijans. Even after [ Translation] the departure of the Congress regime the above practice continues. Despite their SHRI KHEMCHANDBHAI SOMABHAI population constituting 22 percent of the CHAVDA: Hyou start ringing the bell, I shall total population of the country,alone Har- resume my seat. I am disciplined. When the ijans is made a Minister and even then it is Han. Speak£l'r does not provide me time, I do claimed that several Harijans have been not rise to speak. People who have long given berths in the Cabinet. But it is not pOwer, they get time, whereas I do not have correct. I have got the list of Council of that. As such as per your orders I resume my Ministers with me. The present Government seat. is following the same practice which was hitherto followed by the Congress Party in SHRI TEJ NARAYAN SINGH (Buxar): the matter of giving representation to Har- Mr. Chairman, Sir, even after 43 years of ijans in the Cabinet. I have seen the list. Only independence atrocities on Harijans still Shr: Ram Vilas Paswan has been given a continue. As per Government figures .Har- berth in the Cabinet and his is a lone case of ijans and Adivasis account for 14 per cent a Harijan being made a Cabinet Minister. and epercent respectively of our population. There might be other holding offices of State Both of them taken together Constitute 22 Ministers and Deputy Ministers. But there is per cent of the total population. No other only one Cabinet Minister from among the commun~y so large so as to constitute 22 Harijans. In terms of population no other per cent of the total population, of the coun- community accounts for 22 percent of the try. Even then these people lead a miserable total population of the country. In case berths life. After the attainmQnt of independence in the Cabinet are provided in proporation to several provisions have been added to the their number could have been at least 4-5 or Con$t~ution, but the provisions have been even more. Today atrocifies on Har~ans still confined to books only. The Harijansdid not continue. People belonging to the Congress get any benef~ from these provisions. Policy Party made a false propaganda of providing of reservation was adopted, but reservation reservation. This is want the other quoted 455 Disc. under Rule 193 APRIL 26, 1990 Atrocities on SC & ST 456

[Sh. Tej Narayan Singh] dacoity is firstly made against a Harijan only. The S.P. advises his staff that if they are proverb says that beads about th~ neck and unable to nab the real culpr~s, they should devil in heart. I agree that Harijans will con- arrest the Harijans and put them behind the tinue to receive the benefits of reservation, bars. The Zamindars, Rajas and the Maha- but when the time of appointing Ministers rajas are big people who move about with comes, only one Harijan is made a Minister. lathis in their hands in the day as well as in Not only that, the Constitution also provides the night. Besides, their own men become that if somebody calls someone untouch- Ministers in the State. Then how can the able, he will be imprisoned for 6 months. So police put such influencial people behind the far as I know, this is what has been laid down bars. Hence the weakest ones in the village in the Constitution. Babu Jagjivan Ram was i.e. the domes or the musahar who are also a great Harijan leader and I also accepted landless are being apprehended under sec- him as a leader. Once while on a vi~it to tions 395,402 and 399 of the I.P.C. and sent Varanasi, he touched a deity. The next day, to jail. The Judicial Magistrate asks the Po- one of the so called great Pandit washed the lice to produce memo of evidence and says deity with the Ganga water saying that it was as to why it has not been produced. The touched by a Harijan. They said the deity memo of evidence is produced after keeping 'became unholy with the touch of a Hanjan. him in police custody for 15 days and after 15 Did the Government prosecute him? At that days, another date is fixed. The Police wants time, the Congress Party was in power. that the Harijans should come to them, pay Today, the same people are making tall them some money, then they wou:d produce claims that had their Government been there their evidences. Any wise Magistrate can the Harijans would have been protected. I release them an bail after giving one or two would like to ask my congress brethren as to dates but reactionary persons are holding why did they not prosecute the Brahmin who the posts of Judicial Magistrate and they called Babu JagJivan Ram a Harijan and keep the Harijans in Jail for 3-4 months till washed the deity on being touched upon by final charge sheet is not submitted. Nobody, him when their Government was in power in listens to their grievances. Not only this they the State. They did not do so. Yesterday, one are arrested on suspicion under section 395. of the Congress brethern was Speaking and I would like to tell you that Harijan women making tall claims that had Shrimati Indira were. raped in Tehri village under Gahapur Gandhi been alive, she would have enacted Police Station in Buxar. Next morning when laws in favour of the Harijans. I do agree that the women went to Police Station to lod9;) she enaded such laws when she was alive. complaint, the Police did not register the But' would like to know as to why did she fail case. When a large crowd of Harijans gath- to prosecute the Brahmin under the I.P.C. ered there, the S.P. himself came there and when he called a leader of Babu JagJivan registered their complaint. Since then, pro- Ram's stature as untouchable? I cannot say ceedings of a rape case are going on there ,as to how long this state of affairs will con- against. the Police. Had the Harijans not tinue. But I would like to call upon the Har- fought, the case would not have been regis- ijans to rise and fight for their nghts if they are tered against the Police. It is not the low not given their due rights. There is no other instance of rape. The Police comments so way out for them. This is not an isolated many atrocities including rape on the poor incident. Incidents of atrocities on Harijans and Harijans. I would like to say one more are very large in number and it one goes on thing. In the event of a dacoity or any other counting them more and more cases wi'" crime committed against the rich, the Police come to his notice. There is also nc end to leaves no stone unturned to apprehend the atrocities on Harijans by the police. If we look culprits. Ii a son 01 a rich person iskidnapped attheoverallfigures recorded in the country, all Police officers from SP to DIG or I.G. it will be noticed that the case under section come in action. I want to tell you about an 395 ~f the I.P.C. on charges of theft and incident of Nagpur from where a girl named 457 Disc. under Rule 193 VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on SC & ST 458

Pramila was kidnapped a year back. The .harassed. Hthey are the land owners, why parents told the Police the name of the possession is not being given to them. But person. Who was involved in kidnapping the Police does not file court cases under their daughter but no action has been taken SectIOn 107 against any Mahant or an influ- by the Police against them so far. Some ential person, but ~ files cases against Har- reports also appeared in the newspapers ijans only who abide by the law. Even today, that whereabouts of Pramila were not known, several atrocities are being committed on but the Police turned deaf ears to these Harijans and Adivasis. Thousands of such reports also. Had the kidnapped girl be- cases of atroc~ies are taking place. A person longed to a rich family, the Central Govern- named Bachcha Lal Goun under Semri Police ment as well as the State Govern~ent would Station in Bhojpur district was given land have made their utmost efforts to trace out ownership papers as privileged person under the girl, but one year has since passed and the Tenancy Act. The District collector and no case has been registered against the SDM gave him the ownership papers of that person involved. I would therefore, draw the land. But when he went to the land, the attention of the Government, through this landlord of the village did not allow him to House that the Government should issue enter the fields and said that he did not know orders to the effect that if any Police officer any collector or S.P. Till today the poor who is investigating the case fails to find any Bachcha Lal Gaun could not get the physical clue to the crime, he will be dismissed from possession of the land though land allotment the service. Then only the people will feel papers are with him. Therefore, I would like that something is being done for the Har- to say t hat if the Govern ment sincerely wants ijans. These are several such instances but to help the poor, it should itse~ distribute the 'due to shortage of time, I am not able to surplus land to the poor and give them physi- narrate them all. cal possession of the land too. If Govern- ment does not do so, may enact any number The Government have enacted land of laws in this regard, they will be of no use Ceiling Act for benefiting the Harijans which to the poor. Not only this, the Harijans do not IS a right step. Be it Uttar Pradesh, Madhya .get any protection from the Government and Pradesh, Haryana or Bihar, land Ceiling Act they are compelled to go to the persons who has been enacted in all the state, but it has play the politics of votes. They make attempt not been implemented. Under the land Ceil- on their lives the Government is saying that ing Act, surplus land is distributed among the the influence of Naxalites is increasing in the Harijans. In this regard I would like to state country and that they should be checked, but that 200 acres of land belonging to a Mahant I would like to make it clear that this is not of Kachenia village in Bhojpur district was happening due to the Naxalites, because no declared surplus. He filed a writ against it but Naxalite is there. They are doing it to get lost the case in the High Court. Then the there rights. I would like to say that the surplus land was distributed among 99 poor atrocities committed on Harijans in any part people and the ownership was also trans- of the country should be dealt with by the ferred in their names on the papers, but the Government. The Government should make said Mahant still holds the possession of the arrangement to check atroc~ies on Harijans said land on the strength of his muscle and the poor. Hit is not done the situation will power. The previous Government of Bihar go from bad to worse. With these words I under the Chief Ministership of Shri Jagan- thank you, Sir, for giving me time to speak. nath Mishra did not take any action. Today cases under Section 107 are pending against "SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARDHA- these 99 persons. If anyone has violated the: NAN (Tirunelveli): Han. Chairman,. Sir, for law, action should have been taken against the first time I wish to speak in my mother him, but in this case 99 persons are being tongue Tamil. The frequent succession with

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[Sh. Kadambur M.R. Janardhanan] must be noted. In my constituency, in Ottapi- daram Assembly constituency till today which the subject matter of atrocities on Harijans are being prevented from exercis- scheduled castes and scheduled tribes is ing their franchise by a section belonging to being discussed in thi~, House clearly. indi- the upper castes. This time I talked to not to cates the fact that we are yet to achieve the ordinary police officials but to senior IPS required maturity for maintaining communal officials and told them that I am a candidate amity amongst ourselves. All the members this time and I am going to that area at agraat who participated in this discussion initiated risk to my life. I can readily give the statistical by Proe+Aalhotra lamented the contain in details in this regard. More than 95% of which we are still finding ourselves even . Harijans in Tirumalapuram, Panneerpuram after 42 yeas of independence. When Hon. and Ottapidaram near Kadambur had not Member KUinari Mayavathi spoke yester- turned up for voting at the elections. This is day, she thankfully mentioned the name of the pathetic condition of the civic rights of E.V. Ramasamy Naicker from Tamil Nadu. ~arijans under the present administration of the DMK. Since the time is very short ... [Eng/ish] [English] He was not a Chief Minister. He was not a President. He has made the minds of the I give a suggestion to the House. o Tamilians matured in such a way that we live peacefutly in Tamil Nadu. [ Trans/ation]

[ Trans/ation] ·If you want to ameliorate the conditions of the Harijans, you must take a statistical ·Why I say this is only In Tamil Nadu account of Harijans living in the rural areas communal clashes were scarce in number. I unemployed and provide them employment am a member from Tirunelveli parliamentary withi~ a time frame. Those persons who constituency. In '967, one Harijan christian marry Harijans boys and girls that is who was elected from this general constituency underage inter-caste marriages should be to the 4th lok Sabha. He was not a great given priority in employment. This would political leader. He was only an ordinary really help to realise the dreams cherished worker. That is our prtde. Perarignar (the by our Mahatma Gandhi. It is because of the Enlightened) Anna, Periyar (The Elder, Shri services of Mahatma Gandhi and his fol- E.V. Ramasamy Naicker) and Puratchl lower Periyar, persons like us are here stand- Thalaivar (Leader Revolutionary) Dr. MGR jng in this august House as members. are not reversed by the people because they Communai classes which were very scarce were political leaders of eminence but be- in Tamil Nadu have now increased. cause they educated the masses how to peacefully coexist. That IS our pride. There [Eng/ish] lies our prestige. The Hon. Minister should take note of it. [English] [ Translation] Han. Home Minisler is sitting here. I am a member of Parliament elected by the ~Bodinayakanur is a constituency in people. Tamil Nadu. It returned my leader Puratchi Thalaivi (Leader Revolutionary) Jayalalitha. 15.00 hrs. [ Translation) [English] To be frank with you. She is a Brahmin *1 would like to submit one thing. This -Translation ~f speech originally delivered in Tamil. 461 Disc. under Rule 193 VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on SC & ST 462 lady. The most minority community has won [ Translation) in that constituency because of the party principle. Nothing else. Because of M.G.R. *One Hon. Member was speaking with Nothing else. great agitation in mind. Therefore I say ...

[ Translation) [English]

*But since she has won from Bodinay- Discussion on the continued atrocities akanur, the present Government in Tamil on SCs and STs will continue in this country Nadu with the connivance of officials, engi- unless our minds are matured. There is not neered a serious communal clash in Bod;. use of any amendment of law. Don't think the communal flare has been completely extinguished. It has only been [ Trans/ation] contained. The State Government is misus- ing the IPS officials. IPS officials are under *The day our minds are mature, we will your Government. That's why I am saying be able to bring communal amity in the this. country. Tamil Nadu was free from communal clashes. But today, the incidents of In nearby Sattur, some 10 days ago, a communal clashes in certain areas of Tamil serious communal clash has occurred. There Nadu between Harijans and Vann yas, be- is a temple called Irukklravankudi Manam- tween Harijans and Maravas are on the man Kali Temple. It is just like Satta Mata increase. temple here. The pujari in the temple is a Harijan. The shops around the tempie are HoI" Mufti Mohammad mentioned a owned by Harijans. A few persons belongmg beautif ul slogan. Violence as a slogan should to upper castes have taken 10 caps from a be given up. Harijan shop without paying the money. That provided basis for a clash. 10 to 12 murders But I would like to recite one slogan for have taken place. the Hon. Minister. He must take note.

On April 14th, on the first day of the [English] Tam it Month Chittirai, on the Tam il New Year Day, the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu pre- Murder the Marava and Marry the Mar- sides over a Kavi Sammelan. A verse IS ava girl. This was the slogan. Of course, a rectted with the follOWing line: violent slogan. Why that Harijan raised this slogan? Because there was oppression in "Caste conflict contained in a cap" that area.

Can a Chief Minister attempt to Incite [ Trans/ation] the people to violence? Will not these these lines inflame the mind of the Harijan from *This gives rise to communal clashes. whose shop the caps were lifted? Will it not This one slogan is enough to tirigger off a evoke communal passion? Will it not hurt the communal riot. While we discuss the Punjab communal sentiments? and Kashmir situation, we honestly commit ourselves to give up violence as a slogan. [English1 But the communal clashes are raising their ugly heads in Tamil Nadu, and you must Pol~icaileaders must have the will power take adequate steps to nip them in the bud. not to induce the Harijans. When Hon. Sayeed spoke yesterday, he

*Translation of speech originally delivered in Tamil. 463 Disc. under Rule 193 APRIL 26, 1990 Stan. by Minister Enhanced 464 Atrocities on SC & ST Subsidy for SC under IRDP [Sh. Kadambur M.R. Janardhanan] will be given by the Minister and he has given the reply. In that sense, take it that ~ has asked about SC Governors and S.P.s etc. concluded. Let us proceed w~h this Discus- But let me state with pride in this august sion. Before that, Shri Upendra Nath Verma House that the honour of appointing a Har- will make a statement regarding enhanced ijan as the Chief Secretary goes singly to our subsidy for Scheduled Castes under IRDP. MGR.

[English] 15.09 hrs. He was there for 3 years. That is our Tamil Nadu. STATEMENT BY MINISTER

[ Translation] Enhanced Sub-.idy for Scheduled Castes under Rural Development "But today, Tamil Nadu is being turned Programme Into a place of communal clashes. That should be stopped. You must issue sincere [English] warning to the IPS officers under you and to your partner Mr. Karunanidhi. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF RURAL DEVELOP- [English] MENT IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL- TURE (SHRI UPENDRA NATH VERMA): Gandhi)i was born In North. But he lives The House is no doubt aware of the Inte- In Tamil Nadu. grated Rural Development Prcgramme (IRDP) which Is one of the major poverty [ Translation] alleviation programmes with the objective at assisting families below the poverty line in "With these words, I conclude. rural areas to acquire income generating assets through a mix of subsidy and credit. SHRI YUVRAJ (Katihar): Sir, the diS- At present, subSidy is provided at 25% for cussion on atrocities on Scheduled Castes small farmers, 33-1/3% for marginal farm- and Scheduled Tribes is going on since ers, agricunurallabourers, rural artisans and yesterday and today the diSCUSSion IS com- . others. Scheduled Tribes families are eli- ing to a close whereas the discussion on gible to draw 50% subsidy. The monetary communal disturbances lasted several hours limit for subsidy is Rs. 3,000 in normal areas, for three days. It is an important matter and, Rs. 4.000 in DPAP/DDP areas and Rs. 5,000 theretore, more time should be alloned tor its for tribals. Scheduled Caste families are discussion wrth the consent of the Home. H eligible to draw subsidy limited to Rs. 3,000 rt is not possible today, two-three hours can or Rs. 4,000 and 25% or 33-3/3% of the total be allotted for discussion. On Monday. All investments. Members are interested in it. I have great pleasure in Informing the (Englishl House that the Government has taken a deciSion to enhance subsidy available to MR. CHAIRMAN: It can be decided at Scheduled Caste families under IRDP to the BAC meeting. Because of lack of quo- 50% of the sanctioned project. The mone- rum, at one stage ~ was decided that since tary ceiling of subsidy for Scheduled Caste the Home Ministry Grants were being dis- families identHied under IRDP has also been cussed and communal s~uation also was raised to As. 5,000. This, in effect, brings the discussed and, therefore, a common reply benefits for Scheduled Caste families at par

*Translation of speech originally delivered in Tamil. 465 Disc. under Rule 193 VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on SC & ST 466 wnh the benefits enjoyed by the Scheduled the House also. We speak so many things. Tribe families under IRDP. We speak about what Mahatma Gandhi said on this. We speak what Swami Vivekananda This decision will help increase the said in this regard. He said: uYou Indians subsidy benefit under IRDPto about 8.5lakh should not forget that these cobblers and Scheduled Caste families in the current year scavengers are your brothers and sisters, itself. We hope that this step wijl go a long they are your bloods, your brothers." Some- way to enable the Schedule Caste families to times, we refer to Gurudev Rabindra Nath avail of IRDP programme benefits 50 that Tagore. Sir, you know it very well that it was they can increase their income levels and in his poem, it was stated very clearly: ultimately cross the poverty line. "Whom you like to keep behind he is pulling you behind more and more" 15.10 hrs. In reality, the atrocities are increasing DISCUSSION UNDER RULE 193 day-by-day. Mere discussion will not help much. For.the last 42 years, we have been Atrocities on Scheduled Castes and discussing this issue so many times in this Schedu~ed Tribes-Contd. august House. What isthe outcome? Today, my friends in th~ Opposition-my Congress [English] friends there-are very vocal. But why was there so much of a backlog in Government SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN (Cooch services? I would like to put this question to Behar): Sir, I rise to participate in this debate them. regarding the atrocities on Scheduled Castes and Sc;heduled Tribes. I thank Shri Vijay SHAI P.R. KUMAAAMANGALAM (Sa- Kumar Malhotra who piloted this discussion lem): That is not the a(ib/~ Better you pull up and he termed it as "the continued atrocities your friends there. First you pull them up. on Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in the country". Really, nis not a question of SHAI AMAA ROYPRADHAN: I will do today only. In the past also even when the that. Coming to my point, just before the Lok Britishers were there, there were atrocities Sabha elections were slated, the previous comm~ted on Scheduled Castes and Sched- Government announced that 36,000 posts, uled Tribes people. For the last 42 years, which were the backlogs kept for so many there have been continued atrocities com- years, would be filled up. Our hen. Finance mitted on Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Minister is sitting here. he may remember it. Tribes people. So, it is not a new thing. The backlog is still there. These posts must These poor people, downtrodden people be filled up immediately. , have got the like the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled detailed report. I would like to remind the "fribes try to resist the oppression that was hon. Finance Minister that even in his De- going to be made against them. At that time, partment i.e. the Reserve Bank of India, the t:'e Jagirdars, tne Zamindars and the land- other Nationalised Banks, the Life Insurance holders including the Polrce and the people Corporation etc., even the four per cent who were in tloJe Administration were coming scheduled castes people are not there in together and taking part in the atrocities respect of Class-I and Class-II categories. committed on the Scheduled Castes and As far as the Scheduled Tribes are con- Scheduled Tribes people. cerned, not even 2 per cent of them are there In those categories while the reservation Sir, we speak loudly about the condition made in this regard is 15 per cent and 7 112 of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled per cent respectively. The attitude of the Tribes people. We speak here and outside Government must be changed. Thebureauc- 467 Disc. under Rule 193 APRIL 26, 1990 Atrocities on SC & ST 468

[Sh. Amar Roypradhan] have we done to solve thl? problem of land reforms for the last 42 years? Of course, ~ is racy is still going very strong. true that on paper and in planning, we have adopted so many resolutions and proposals. I want to take a little time about the What have we done in the 6th Five Year advertisements. In yesterday's Hindustan Plan? In the Preface to it, it has been stated Times, there was an advertisement. The that land reforms would be completed within Steel Authority of India had given advertise- 1985 and this surplus land would be distrib- ment for senior level positions. There were uted among the poor people, most of whom many posts. But what are the categories to are the Scheduled Castes and the Sched- which it has been divided? How many posts uled Tribes, even the pattas would be pro- among these are reservedforthe Scheduled vided to them and the land record would be Castes and the Scheduled Tribes? It has completed during 1986. Nowfrom 1986-89 ~ been clearly stated that reservation may be was the Congress Government which ruled provided as per the Presidential directives the country. Now it is the National Front and other things being equal, preference will Government. be given to SC and ST candidates. By this advertisement, the Steel Authority of India 15.16 hrs. Limited and so also the Government have violated the very norms of the constitutional [MR. THAMBJ DURAl in the Chai~ provisions that have been pr'ovlded forto the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes. If you do not solve this land reforms Posts should be known to the Scheduled problem, if the lands are not given properly, Castes and the Scheduled Tribes persons if the surplus land is not distributed properly, that which are the posts reserved for the if the pattas are not given to the down- Scheduled Castes and which are the posts trodden people, the poor people, then the reserved for the Scheduled Tribes. And what conflict will be more and more in the rural is the percentage of reservation available for areas and the problem of the Scheduled the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes will con- Tribes? But nothing has been written here in tinue and the atrocities on Scheduled Castes the advertisement. If this is the way, the and the Scheduled Tribes will be more and Government moves, if the present National more. It will do nothing if it remains in paper Front Government also follows the path of only. Of course, it is true that the previous the Congress Government, then the prob- Government said so many things during the lem of backlog will not be solved. Seventh Five Year Plan. They said that during the Seventh Five Year Plan, the prob- I want to mention here about the most lem of Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled important point, that is, about the land re- Tribes would be solved with the help of torms. If we go through the Report of the programmes like NREP, RLEGP and IRDP. Commissioner of the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes for the last three years, Today, it is very interesting to note tilat what do we find there? We find that the main Mr. Verma spoke about some concessions reason for the atrocities is the land reforms, and subsidies given to the Scheduled Castes that is. clash and conflict regarding the' land and the Scheduled Tribes under IRDP pro- and also about the actual possessor of land. gramme. I would like to say that with these Whenever a patta was given to a Scheduled programmes, whetherthey are IRDP, NREP Castes or a Scheduled Tribes person, just or RLEGP, you cannot solve this problem now my friend referred to it, the Zamindars because it is a socio-economic problem. So and the Jagirdars came out wrth-tite help of you must have to come forward with appro- police, opposing it. It was very muCh-Pleva- priate programmes to deal with the problems lent in Bihar, Madhya Pradesh and in som~ of the Schedu led Caste and Scheduled T rbes other parts of the country. But actually, what people. 469 Disc. under Rule 193 VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Atrocities en SC & ST 470

We are speaking so much about un- Demands for Grants of the Home Ministry I touchabil~y. But wfiat happened in Bihar? wanted to highlight certain important points When a Brahmin boy Shri Khilanand Jha, a of my State and wanted todrawthe attention clerk or an assistant, married a Harijan girl, of the Home Minister towards them, but I was what happened to him? The Bihar Govern- not allowed to speak due to lack of time. ment sacked him from the job. What a trag- edy? On the one hand you are welcoming all MR. SPEAKER: Now you can speak on this, but on the other hand the Government them. Now also the time is limited because is very much cruel to these people as though we have to take up the Private Members' it wants that there should be no mixing up or business. mingling among the people of different communities. SHRI LAET A UMBREY: Whenever you form any Committee or Commission to study At this present juncture I only request the problems of the Scheduled Caste and the National Front Government not to follow Scheduled Tribe people or other down trod- the path of the previous Government With den people, I hope you will fully justify it by NREP, RLEGP and other programmes and appointing all the Members of the Commit- make some rules and regulations on paper tee from among these deprived groups. only but they must have to act and act seriously in favour of the Scheduled Caste For the protection of SC, ST and other and Scheduled Tribe people. backward communities whatever is done is only because of Dr. Ambedkar who was the SHRI LAETA UMBREY (Arunachal Chairman of the Drafting Committee of the East): Mr. Chairman, Sir, thank you very Constitution. Much has been awaited and much for giving me chance to participate In much has been thought about their welfare the discussion. I am participating in the dis- but our achievement is too poor. Now, here cussion in this House for the ftrst time and I most of the Members are charging the hope that you will not nng the bell before I Congress. I think it is not good. No single conclude. person or any single party is responsible for the atrocities on certain communities. It is, I have seen in the last SIX months of my we who are all responsible for it. See my experience as a Member of Parliament, as a case. I am in the Congress; my party affili- silent spectator, that whenever there is a ation is Congress; but I am a hundred per discussion on Scheduled Caste and Sched- cent Scheduled Tribe. I invite those people, uled Tribes people, most of the speakers are those Members who are alleging the Con- non-tribals. You just see the d~ference. gress to visit my Constituency and to see the Between a person who is associated to a condition of my family and see my back- tribal or a Harijan and a person who is born ground. Had it not been'the Congress, I as a Harijan or Adivasi. it makes a big differ- would not have become a Member of Parlia- ence. Of course these backward people may ment. So, we are all responsible for the not have that much capacity and they are not atrocities. What we now required to do is at part with other communiti~s; but In the that-irrespec1ive of our caste and creed, days to come when we will have Such impor- Irrespective of party affiliation-we should tant discussions I hope you Will not do any all in one voice, send the message to those Injustice by giving more time to the non- downtrodden people, the deprived people tribals. that there will not be any further atrocities on Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes, Har- I am telling this because last time when iJans and Adivasis. We have to say like this. we were going to amend the Const~ution And thiS is what the people are expecting extending the reservation for SC and ST by from us. I would like to submit certain things ten more years, I wanted to participate in the in the form of suggestion. The tribals who are discussions, but I did not get time. On the feeling discontentment, who are feeling that 471 Disc. undpr Rule 193 APRIL 26,1990 PMBR Comm. Report 472 Atrocities on SC & ST Private Members Bills Introduced [Sh. Laeta Umbrey] uled tribes, they are responsible for it. They are exploiting the scheduled caste and sched- atrocities are meted on them daily, are ule tribe people. They are taking full advan- dem3nding Statehood. For example, they tage of their ignorance, illiteracy and their are demanding Jharkand land and Karbiang poor economic conditions. So, let us arrive at long land. Like this, there are so many places a consensus. Let us send a message to where Scheduled Tribe people are demand- these schedulen castes and the scheduled ing. I think this is justified. Please see the tribes and other backward communities that ex ample of Arunachal Pradesh and Nagaland from now onwards, there will not be any where Scheduled Tribes ar.e living. The atrocities on them. development has taken and you cannot deny this. We will haveto see certain things before I think, I could not make out properly. we say something about the upliftment of the Still I hope the hon. Minister, who is young downtrodden societies. In order to stop fur- and energetic, will answer all my points. ther atrocity on Scheduled Castes and Sched- uled Tribes it is imperative that the demands Lastly, I am a new Member. I do not of these people are fully met. These Sched- know how many Members belonging to uled Tribes-originally do not belong to any scheduled tribes have been inducted into religious community. Most of them do not the Cabinet. I want to know about this also. belong to the linguistic communities-the Thank you. languages which ars in the Eighth Schedule. There should not be any imposition on them or explOItation on them an imposition. I heard that Hindi is being imposed as a compulsory MR. CHAIRMAN: The House will now official language in Uttar Pradesh, then fol- take up Private Members' Business. Shri lowed by Madhya Pradesh. There are so Rameshwar Prasad. many Scheduled Tribe people in Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh whose [ Translation) mother-tongue is not Hindi. I am very much aware of their welfare. That is why I suggest SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHARY (Gaya): that wherever there are Scheduled Castes Mr. Chairman, Sir, I have not been given and Scheduled Tribes, the schools of those time to speak. areas should be under the Central Board of Second~ry Education syllabus. This is pre- [English] vailing in my State also. There, in CBSC syllabus equal importance is given to both MR. CHAIRMAN: It is time for Private Hindi and English. I do not require to mention Members' Business. We cannot take up the utility of English you know better about it. anything else now. When we take up discussion under Rule 193 next time, then you can The original culture and tradition of the speak. Now, Shri Rameshwar Prasad. Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes are on the verge of extinction. This will have to be protected. Here also I would like to 15.32 hrs. quote the example of my State, Arunachal Pradesh, where it is well protected. Whether COMMITIEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS' it is the State Government or the Central BILLS AND RESOLUTION GO'Jernment, \ think they win have to protect it fu\\y. Now, Shri Rajiv Gandhi and Shri \J.P. lh\fd Repof\ Singh or whosoever the Prime Minister may be. are unnecessarily blamed. They are not [ Trans/ation] to be blamed. We are all responsible for it. (Interruptions) ThaSA people who are deal- SHRI RAMESHWAR PRASAD (Arrah): ing with the scheduled castes and the sched- I beg to move: 473 Employment VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) Constitution (Amend.) Bill 474 Guarantee Bill "That this House do agree with the 15.34 hrs. Third Report of the Committee on Pri· vate Members' Bills and Resolutions CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL· presented to the House on the 25th April, 1990." (Amendment of Article 57)

[English] [ Translation]

MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD SHASTRI (Rewa): I beg to move for leave to introduce "That thiS House do agree with the a Bill further to amend the Constitution of Third Report of the Committee on Pri- India. vate Members' Bills and ResolutIOns presented to the House on the 25th [English] Apnl,1990." MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: The motion was adopted "That leave be granted to introduce a Bill further to amend the Constitution of India." 15.33 hrs. The motion was adopted EMPLOYMENT GUARANTEE BILL- [ Translation) [ Trans/ation] SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD SHASTRI: I SHRI BHOGENDRAJHA (Madhubanl): introduce the Bill. I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill to provide for employment or for means and resources for self-employment to all adult citizens of the country. CONSTITUTION (SCHEDULED CASTES)

[English] ORDER (AMENDMENT) BILL·

MR. CHAIRMAN: The question IS: Omission of Paragraph 3, etc.

"That leave be granted to introduce a [English] Bill to provide for employment or for means and resources for self-employ- PROF. K.V. THOMAS (Ernakulam): ment to all adu~ citizens of the coun- beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill try." further to amend the Constitution (Sched- uled Castes) Order, 1950. The motion was adopted MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: ( Translation) "That leave begranted to introduce a SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: I introduce Bill further to amend the Constitution theBi\I. (Schedu\ed Castes) Ot'der, 1950."

The motion was adopted

"Published in Gazette of India, Extraordinary Part II, Section 2, dated 26 April, 1990. 475 ForBst (consBrvation) APRIL 26, 1990 by Shri Ha"bhau 476 Amend. Bill Shankar Mahale PROF. K. V. THOMAS: I introduce the SHRI HARISH RAWAT: I introduce the Bill. Bill.

13.35 1/2 hrs. 15.37 hrs. CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL- FOREST (CONSERVATION) AMEND- (Amendment of article 171) MENT BILL

[English) (Amendment of Section 2, etc.) -CONTO. SHRI Y.S. RAJASEKHAR REDDY (Cuddapah): I beg to move for leave to [English] introduce a Bill further to amend the Consti- tution of India. MR. CHAIRMAN: Before further discussion on the Forest (Conservation) Amend- MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: ment Bi", 1990 moved by Shri Haribhau Shankar Mahale is resumed, I would like to "That leave be granted to introduce a mention that 2 hours and 26 minutes have Bill furtherto amend the Constitution of already been taken out of 2 hours and 30 India." minutes allotted by the House for its discussion. The House has now to extend the time The motion was adopted for further discussion on the Bill.

SHRI Y.S. RAJASEKHAR REDDY: Is it the pleasure of the House that the introduce the Bill. time for this Bill be further extended by one hour?

SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North): Sir, before you put it to the vote of the House, I 15.36 hrs_ would like to clarify one point. We are allot- ting a certain prescribed time for each Bill. In CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL· this case, two and half hours were allotted and two hours and 26 minutes are over. Only (Insertion of new Article 15A etc.) four minutes are remaining. Subsequently, thue are three Bills in today's agenda, and SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): I beg for each Bill, two hours are allotted. We will to move for leave to introd uce a Bi" further to close this particular Business at 6 PM. All amend the Constitution of India. these three Bills have come through the ballot. If all the Bills are to be taken for MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: discussion, it will take six hours and the work will not be over. My Bill has secured the third "That leave be granted to introduce a place in the ballot. Since my Bill has got the Bill further to amend the Constitution of third place, so much time is not available for India." it to be discussed. Yet, the BAC has allotted the time like this. I want to know as to The motion was aaopt8d whether or not this ballot will hold good next

*Published ~n the Gazette of India, Extraordinery Part II, Section 2, dated 26 April, 1990. 477 Forest (conservation) VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) by Shri Haribhau 478 Amend. Bill Shankar Mahale time. H ~ is not going to be held good for the for this. We want the time to be extended. nexttime, we would likethatthetimeof every Bill should be restricted for the time allotted MR. CHAIRMAN: I am not pressurising for it. The business should be arranged in you in any way. such a way that all the three Bills will be passed in one day. Otherwise, there is no SHRI Y.S. MAHAJAN: Kindly extend point in taking all the three Bills in the ballot. the time by one and a half hours more.

MR. CHAIRMAN: I can understand MR. CHAIRMAN: There are many your concern. I want to bring to the notice of Members who want to speak. I do not think, the House that generally, we allot only two it would be possible to accommodate all of hours for each Bill. Sometimes, because of them within that time. the enthusiasm and interest shown by the Members, we may not be able to finish it SHAI HAAISH AAWAT (Almora): Kindly within the allotted time. In such a case, extend IT by haH an hour. generally, we extend the time by one or two hours so that han. Members can express MR. CHAIRMAN: The Minister has to their views. This is what happens normally. intervene and the Member who introduced Your point is a valid one. We have to com- the Bill has also to reply. Can we extend the plete this Bill and then proceed with the next time for this by one hour. I would allow a few Bill. It is true that when we take the ballot the Members and after that the Minister will next time, you may not get achance. But the intervene and then the Member incharge of House has to follow the time allotted strictly. the Bill can reply.

SHRI RAM NAIK: That is why, I wanted SHRI RAM NAIK: Two hours have been to clarify before you give the ruling. We allotted forthe next Bill which will come upfor would not like our chance to go to another discussion today. At least that must be person. We may not get our chance in the completed today, otherwise again next time next ballot. I can understand that even th~ the same Bill will be taken up and the other Private Members' Resolution moved by Members will not get a chance. Advaniji about the electoral reforms was an important one. But then, we other Private MR. CHAIRMAN: Is that possible? But Members' Resolutions or Bills are side- if all of you agree, I have no objection. tracked. Anyway, when the time comes. We will see.

MR. CHAIRMAN: The House is su- Now, is it the pleasure of the House that preme and IT has to decide. The Minister has time for this Bill be further extended by one yet to intervene and the Member who intro- hour? duced the Bill has also to reply. For that consideration alone, you have 10 allow some MANY HaN. MEMBERS: Yes. time. MR. CHAIRMAN: Thetime is extended SHRI RAM NAIK: At least for future, this _by one hour more. We will try to finish it as time limit should be strictly adhered to, oth- early as possible. erwise the Members who take all the trouble in introducing their bills lose their chance. Now, Prof. N. Tombi Singh.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Now, the question of PROF. N. TOMBI SINGH (Inner extension time is left 10 the House. Manipur): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am grateful to you for affording me this opportunity to par- SHRf Y.S. MAHAJAN (Jalgaon): Sir, it ticipateon this Forest (Conversation) Amend- is the pleasure of the House to extend time ment Bill. It is a very important amending Bill 479 Forest (conservation) APRIL 26, 1990 by Shri Harbhau 480 Amend. Bill Shankar Mahale [Prof. N. Tombi Singh} forest area covered w~h the forest content. It will take hundred and hundred of years to bring this forest area back to its earlier posi- and I support it. However, while doing so, I tion. It is easy to cut down a tree but it takes would like to make a few observations. years and years to replace a grown up tree.

The main objective of this amendment Second world war has affected the entire is that the Central Gov.ernment shall not North-eastern States particularly the Manipur w~hhold its approval for deforestation if the which was the ,headquarter of the South- forest land acquired is for public develop- East Asian Command. It destroyed a large ment works such as construction of roads, part of the forest area there. Similarly, a large drinking water schemes, laying of telegraph part of the forest area was destroyed in or telephone lines etc. In answer to a ques- Nagaland, Mizoram and Arunachal Pradesh. tion on this subject by Prot. Kurien some And this loss was not at all substituted by a days back, the Government has made a very good, programme of. afforestation. I am not important announcement. We know that a speaking keeping in view the interest of our number of proposals are pending before the Party. I would like to say, whichever party is Government for clearance. I would not have in power today, we are not taking up affores- any objection rt that is to be done for the tation programme seriously. We spend so development at different regions and States. much of money on these programmes every We do not mind rl a certain portion of forests year. But still we don't have a good affores- is cut for the purpose of development works tation programme to make up the loss or specifically. deficiency. The losses suffered during the Second World War still remain uncompen- Leaving apart that, in our country more sated. important thing IS to have the afforestation rrogramme in its real term. In our country we Now, if we see from the high level, from have a large cover of forest area. We have a the aeroplane we see that all the hills are large numberof such forest areas,ofcourse, denuded and they just lock like the desert varying in the degree of afforestation. We areas. They are contributing to the change of also have such forest areas where no trees environment and to the change of the cli- or no forest content is to be seen. It is mate which will naturally lead to unpredict- because they have been denuded or defor- able floods and droughts. This is something ested by man. So, I ~uld say that the which requires our attention. Government should give prioritytothe Affor- estation Programme. In many States so many While giving due consideration to the development schemes are pending and clearance of the projects for the interest of sometimes for the implementation of such national devetopment, the important prob- schemes, we have to reduce the forest area. lem that we have to solve first is the affores- So, I would like to emphasise that we should tation of already denuded areas which are take up a realistic programme of afforestd- still retaining the name of the forest lands. tion at the earliest. This is my observation. I would like to draw a pointed attention of the han. Mi.nister who I belong to an area whICh is largely is a dedicated person to environment, who is covered by forests but hardly one can see a dedicated person to the preservation and the torest content there. \ be\on9 to tbe State conservation of forests, that she shouki take of Manipur. I am giving you a very concrete up realistic programme of a.,orestation so example. One-tenth area of the Manipur that we can br.ing about a change to our State is supposed to be inhabited by human forest areas which wiU give its posmve chain beings and the ~est is supposed to be the reaction to the environment or preservation forest area. But the actual position is that we of environment, etc. In this regard. I would don't even see one-third Of the so called like to make another suggestion. We must 481 Forest (conservation) VAISAKHA 6, 1912.(SAKA) by Shri Haribhau 482 Amend. Bill Shankar MahaJe jay emphasis on the preservation of forests country, they contribute in large measure for fuelwood and for making furn~ure, in our towards national prosperity. Good monsoons areas. For making furniture, timber is needed. depend on the existence of forests and agri- But the more important aspect in this re- culture is also greatly benefited by them. The gard-for timber, wood is acquiring woods previous Government had a slightly casual for the purpose of fuel. ~ is very important. It att~ude towards afforestation. The State is because coal is not available. In order to Governments were not granted adequate replace or in order to subsidise those areas funds for this purpose. Due to this, the proc- and in order to reduce cutting down of trees ess of afforestation become slow. On the for the sake of fuel, we have to increase the other hand, denudation of forests has allotment of coal to these areas, like Manipur reached unimaginable proportions. , come and so on, where coal is not available easily. from Bihar and it would not be wrong to say This will help reduction in the cutting down of that Bihar has the maximum area under forests for fuel. forests. But today, the Chhota Nagpur region is completely depleted of its forest With these few words, I conclude. wealth. I live in Gaya. Forests are there to maintain the ecological balance. It is for this MR. CHAIRMAN: As suggested by all reason that a tree plantation drive was you which the House has also accepted, at launched on the banks of the Falgu river. But 4 O'clock, I am gOing to call the Minister to now 5-10 tractors full of wood is being cut Intervene. It IS because she was telling that over there. This cutting down of trees is she needs at least forty five minutes for her being done in connivance w~h Forest Con- reply. Then the Member who had introduced servation Officials. Not only this, complaints this Bill. as to reply. So. upto 4 o'clock. I can have been received th3t D.F.O. (Gaya) is adjust the han. members who want to speak responsible for cutting down trees worth and afterwards, I cannot allow. Shr; Ishwar crores of rupees. How will we conserve our Chaudhary. forests, how will we maintain the ecological balance and how will this country prosper? [ Trans/ation] Sir, it is understandable that forest land SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHARY (Gaya}: must be cleared to construct a canal or to Mr. Chairman, Sir. today, the role played by grow crops, but at the same time forest forests in our life IS as important as that of conservation is also very necessary and for other necessities. These day environment that we must plant maximum number of throughout the world is getting polluted. In trees. By planting more trees we add to the view of the increasing pollution, it has be- number of good deeds we do in our lives. I come necessary to protect our forests. The am proud to say tha11 had personally planted han. Minister is quite concerned over this three saplings which have not grown intr 'if' issue and wants that pollution should be trees. The basic objective underlining lis checked. The hon. Minister is making sin- effort was to awaken people to the call of the cere efforts towards finding a solution to this envirpnment and make them active partici- problem. The Government should do its best pants in tree plantation drives. Denudation in this direction. The task of forest conserva- of forests in most evident in places where tion can be divided into two parts-firstly to forest conservation is of utmost importance. increase the afforestation process and sec- People guilty of cutting down of trees at such ondlyto prevent deforestation. Till now affor- places should be give stringent punishment. estation has been virtually non-existent while deforestation has been done on a large- [English] scale. India has always been a land of forests and hills but today this country has SHRI Y.S. MAHAJAN (Jalgaon):' wel- become devoid of this natural wealth, For- come this Bill, because it seeks to remove an ests are not merely a show-piece for the important difficulty in the way of economic 483 Forest (conservation) APRil 26, 1990 by Shri Haribhau 484 Amend. Bill Shankar Mahale [Sh. Y.S. Mahajan] urban areas. I have seen dozens of trees being felled. When this is brought to the development. Since we started protecting notice of the concerned officials, they say forests under the Forests Protection Act of that they do not have any power within city , 980, people have complained in this House, limits. Pollution is a global phenomenon and and for years it has come in the way of protection of environment is an issue that construction of roads, drinking water concerns all countries. These days eucalyp- schemes, laying of telegraph and telephone tus trees are being planted in large numbers. lines and river projects. In Maharashtra. there I request the han. Minister to look into the are many river projects which were under- efficacy of the eucalyptus tree as a protec- taking 15 or 20 years ago. They have not tion of environment. I think these trees are been cleared form the forest angle, or from rendering the land infertile and also not usefu I the point of view of environment. As a result, from the environmental point of view. Will the well-being of lakhs of people has been such trees be useful to us in future is a seriously affected. question which the han. Minister must look into. What is happening today is that there is destruction of forests. In the preserved for- With these words, I express my thanks ests, there are no trees. Forests are not to you for giving me an opportunity to speak. developing. On the other hand, economic development does not take place, because PROF. MAHADEO SHIWANKAR some liUle forest here and there is threat- (Chimur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, han. Shri Har- ened because of development schemes. ibhau Shankar Mahale has already intro- So, there is neither afforestation, nor eco- duced this Bill in this House. Two minutes is nomic development. So, the Forest Conser- too less a time to speak, so some more time vation Act is coming seriously in the way of should be given. The Forest (Conservation) economic development of this country. I am Act has proved to be an impediment in the of the viewthat the area under forests should way of implementation of a large number of be increased; but the way we are enforcing schemes in rural and backward tribal areas. that Act is coming in the way of the well-being I had asked a question regarding irrigation in of the people. Maharashtra to which I received a written reply on 19th March. the reply states that 190 [ Translation) irrigation schemes in Maharashtra were closed only because the Maharashtra Gov- SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR ernment did not give any reply. At least that's (Bareilly): Mr. Chairman, Sir, actually there what we have been told. The Forest Depart- is need for some changes in the Forest ment issues fresh circulars everyday. The (Conservation) Amendment Bill introduced Chief Minister of Maharashtra even went to by the han. Member in this august House. the extent of saying that he sends an uhima- There are a number of purposes for which tum to the Minister of State of Forests every exemption must be given under this Bill. But week. I don't know whether he is speaking there are some anomalies towards which I the truth or not. But the fact is that all schemes would like to draw attention of the Han. are pending because of this. For example Minister. Today, there is no restriction onthe schools, hospitals and other development cutting of trees within city limits, but no tree schemes in rural areas are lying pending. I is allowed to be felled in rural areas. Why is had written a letter to the han. Minister of it so? I request the han. Minister to pay State. Previously Vidarbha was under the attention in this direction and take special jurisdiction of the Madhya Pradesh Govern- measures to remove this discrimination ment but after the reconstitution of the State. between cities and villages. No permission Vidarbha was merged into Maharashtra. The is given to viliagers even if they want to cut Jhurni Forest Vidarbha region land belonged even one tree for their genuine need. But in to the Revenue Department. But the Central 485 Forest (conservation) VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) by Shri Haribhau 486 Amend. Bill Shankar Mahale Government considers ij forest land and has cover is available on 64 million hectares only enforced the Forest (Conservation) Acton~. giving a percentage of 19 of the total forest As a resu~ several schemes have been held area in the country. This is far less than the up. Jhumanka Projects, Zam!ndari Project targetted forest area of 33 per cent as envis- and hundreds of such other projects have aged, in the National Forest Policy. been held up. I want Jhurni Forest to be exempted form the purview of the Forest The National Forest Policy which was (Conservation) Act and placed under 'Mau- enunciated in 1988 has as its principal aim, rusi' land. The hon. Minister of State and the the maintenance of environmental stability han. Minister of Forest should meet the State and ecological balance including atmospheric Legislators to discuss the developments in equilibrium which are vital for sustenance of the districts of Bhardana and Chandrapur. I alllifeforms human, animal and plant. invite them to come to Chandrapur to understand the nature of the problems there which This is proposed to be achieved among we are facing wrth a view to solving them. others, by protection and conservation of With these words I support this Bill. forests. Conservation of forests was being neglected before 1980 and good forest land [English] was being diverted for non forest uses. The main reasons for diversion of forest land for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE non-forest uses have been the following: MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FOR- ESTS (SHRIMATI MANEKA GANDHI): 1. Construction of Muni-purpose proj- Before I begin, I want just to clarify one thing ects to Mr. Mahajan-about my letter to the Chief Minister of Maharashtra. I do not write only to 2. Setting up of industries the Chief Minister of Maharashtra; I wrrte to every Chief Minister, to every source of 3. Agriculture authority, because my concern for India does not extend only to a Union Territory or to a 4. Human settlements. particular State. I belive that the time has COf11e when we have to work together to The situation becomes so alarming that ensure that this nation progresses ahead between the period 1952 and 1980, 4.328 with green technology and all that. I issue no million hectares area of forest land was u~imatums: I merely make suggestions. diverted for non-forest use. The States were Since I have become Minister, there have asked through guidelines not to divert this been a great number of new policy initia- forest land but no heed was paid to the tives; and that is the reason why I have been instructions of Government of India. We were burdened with this. left with no option but to save our forests by resorting to legal measures. As a result, the I am overwhelmed to see the response Forest (Conservation) Act was enacted in from the members on the Bill given by Shri 1980. The advantages of passing of the Act Haribhau Shankar Mahale for amendment were soon evident. The annual rate of diver- of the Forest (Conservation) Act. I can under- sion of forest land for non-forest use which stand that the members are genUinely con-- was 1.5lakhs hectares came down to 15,400 cerned about the problems of forest conser- hectares between 19890 and 1989. Even vation and the Welfare of tribals. Before after the passage of this Act, the States tried attempting to answer the points raised by the to circumvent the spirit of the Act by diverting members, I would like to mention some facts forest land for raising plantations like tea, and figures about the forests of the country. coffee, rubber, etc., on the pretextthatthese Out of • total geographical areas of 329 activities were forest activities. In order to million hectares, forest area in the country is check this practice, the amendment to the only 75 million hectares. Out of this, tree Forest (Conservation) Act, 1980waspassed 487 Forest (conservation) APRll 26, 1990 by Shri Haribhau 488 Amend.8il/ Shankar Mahale [Shrimati Maneka Gandhi] I would now like to take up these points and then refer to some specific points raised in 1988, which excluded such plantations by the members. being taken on forest land by treating these as non-forestry activities. 1. The question of delay in dearance of Forest Conservation cases has I would like to talk about forests now. been debated for the last so many Bio-diversity of forest ecosystems acts as an years. There are divergent view insurance against possible crisis in food held by the Central Government supply which depends on a few selected and the State Governments. The species which are susceptible to disease State Governments feel that the and pests. The protective and productive delay is on the part of the Central role of forests in the national economy has Government and the Central Gov- been summarised in the National Forest ernment feels that the delay is policy, 1952 which states, '1he role of forests caused due to non submission of in the national economy, both protective and proposals by the State Govern- productive, entitles forests to lay claim to an ments in proper format and with adequate share of land. The importance of complete information. tree lands in the rural economy of this region where agriculture constitutes the mainstay The han. Member talked about one hundred of the vest bulk of population can scarcely be and sixty odd cases which had been rejected overemphasized." In view of these facts, h dueto non furnishing of information. I want to would not be proper to dilute the provisions tell you what kind of information we ask. We of the Act as they stand today by adopting ask very basic, very relevant information. If the amendment, as suggested by Shri we do not ask for this information, then a lot Mahaleji. of projects may be good, but along with those good projects, a project which will not I would now like to refer to the points be so good would also sneak in. For in· raised by the numbers in support of the stance, somebody will get a petrol pump amendment that is proposed by Mahaleji. allotted to him. Then, he wants to pL1 the The main points that have been mentioned petrol pump in the middle of his own area, are: next to it is a forest. Now .he wants a path to his petrol pump. This case has just now come to me. But that petrol pump passes 1. Delay in dearance of forest con- through my forest area. Now we have to servation cases by Government of guardthat kind a thing. That is why we ask for India. this information. When we ask for this information, we are not trying to delay the project, 2. Hindrances to the developmental we are trying to understand whether it is the activijies specially laying of tele- best for the country. The State Government phone, telegraphic lines, village does not reply. The original proposal is of a schools, panchayats, etc. cursory nature-one page.

3. The Act is against the interests of [ Translation] the tribals. It may be sanctioned. We ask why it 4. Special problems faced by the should be sanctioned? people living in hills. [English] 5. Nexus between forest officials and . contractors for plundering of for- ~ we do not get all the information, then ests-. we are struck up w~h one time proposal. You ... 489 Forest (conservation) VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) by Shri Haribhau 490 Amend. Bill Shankar Mahale must adm~ that ~ is in the best interests of delays do not take place. Instructions have everybody that we have to ask a complete been issued to officials in the Government of information before we allow any project. India to clear each case within six weeks of its receipt. This is the minimum period re- \The pendency of cases in the Govern- quired as the meeting of the Advisory Com- ment of India is minimal. mittee set up for the purpose takes place As far as the Minstry of Environment and once a month and based on its recommen- Forests is concerned, as soon as proposals dation, the case is cleared or rejected. It are received for clearance. these are exam- would not be possible to reduce this period to ined and whenever information gaps are 15 days as suggested by Mahaleji. In order noticed, the project proponent agencies are further to hasten early clearances, powers addressed immediately for furnishing the have been delegated to the Regional Chief necessary information. A review of the pend- Conservator of Forests located in Bhopal, ing cases revealed that a majority of them Lucknow, Bhubaneshwar, Bangalore, Shil- were pending for want of complete informa- long and Chandigarh for cases upto less tion. It was fen that the project proponents than 1 hectare. I am surprised to learn that would expedite submission of wanting infor- most of the complaints about small clear- mation if they were told categorically that ance have been raised by members from ca~es would be treated as rejected if the required information was not given with in Uttar Pradesh. In their case, the Regional stipulated time. Accordingly it has now been Chief Conservator of Forests is located at stipulated that cases where full information Lucknow and there should be no difficulty in has been made available, will be disposed the State- Government officials discussing off within six weeks of the receipt of the their small schemes with him and getting the proposal. Where such complete information clearance. The Regional Chief Conservator is not furnished the project proponents should of forests are located in those places where be advised to furnish the wanting informa- the forest areas are large and from which tion within one month. If the information is States the maximum number of proposals not received within the stipulated period these are received. This delegation of powers to cases should be treated as rejected for want the Regional Chief Conservators of Forests of information. will facilitate the State Governments from Since the promulgation of the Act 4023 seeking their clearances early. From 1 to 10 proposals were received from various States hectares, the powers have been given to the and Union Territories till 31 st March 1990 for Ministry and the case is not required to be put according clearance under the Forest up to the Advisory Committee. In such cases, (Conservation) Act, 1980. Out of these pro- the clearance can be given even before the posals approval has been accorded to 1967 six weeks' period. cases. 547 cases have been rejected on merits, not for lack of information but on The delay usually occurs in the case of merits. State Governments have withdrawn the State Governments because whenever 107 cases and 1268 cases have been re- a back reference is made to them for seeking jected conditionally for non-furnishing of in- clarification, the reply is not received for upto formation by the concerned State Govern- one year. It would not be correct to lay the ment~. In my Ministry. there are only 134 blame on the Central Government for delays cases now pending which have come in the in such cases. last one year and two months. Since June 1989, we have relaxed guide- We have tried to streamiine the proce- lines in respect of use of forest land for dure in the Government of India to see that construction. Exceptions have now been 491 Forest (conservation) APRIL 26, 1990 by Shri Haribhau 492 Amend.8i/l Shankar Mahale [Shrimati Maneka Gandhi] other poor people living in and around forests are to be treated as the first charge on made for diversion of forest land for con- forest produce. These considerations fur- struction works like schools, dispensaries, ther reinforce our conviction that forest re- hospitals, community halls, small industrial sources which are the life-line of the tribals sheds under Govern ment control. whenever and other weaker sQctions of the society, these requires forest land less than one should not be diverted for other uses in an hectare. As already r~ferred to in earlier part indiscrete way. Forest and other public lands in my speech, powers have been delegated which have hitherto been used for collective to the Regional Chief Conservator of Forests purposes are shrinking at an alarming rate. to decide cases involving forest land upto Nearly one-sixth of the population and one- one hactre. Similarly cases involving forest fifth of live-stock population is directly de- land up to 10 hactares are not referred to the pendent on such lands. diversion of such Advisorty Committee and are decided in my lands, particularly good forests is bound to Ministry directly. cause further hardship to such poor people.

h has been our endeavour to clear the As stated earlier, we have relaxed the cases within a period of six weeks of the guidelines so that developmental works di- complete informaticn being made available rectly beneficial to the local people are not to us. The State Governments have ben delayed. Some of the Members had also advised, through guidelines, to ensure that referred to the cases of forest villages. We the cases are disposed of at the level of the are seized of this issue. Indeed the National State Government within a maximum period Forest Policy, 1988 states that the forest of two months. We have requested the State villages should be developed at parr w~h the Governments-this is one of the directions I revenue villages. We are examining as to have sent to the Chief Minister of Maharash- how best this could be achieved. For this tra to open separate cells for dealing with the purpose various options including conver- cases under t he Act. I do not see why he take sion of such villages into revenue villages legitimate objection to my trying to speed up are already being considered. Efforts are the cases. For this purpose, they have been also being made to sort out issues relating to requested to appoint a full-time senior offi- occupation of forest land by tribals. cer, not below the rank of a Conservator of Forests, as head of such Cells. I have alrea9Y had a meeting w~h the Minister of Welfare, Shri Paswanji, and we Some of the han. Member had referred have decided upon principles to be followed to the problems of the tribals. I am in full for regularisation of encroachments prior to agreement with them that the forests and the 1980 when the Forest (Conversation) Act tribals should co-exist in complete harmony. was enacted. Indeed, the National Forest Policy 1988 upholds the symbiotic relationship between ( Interruptions)· the tribals and the forests. Meeting the requirements of fuelwood, fodder, minor for- MR. CHAIRMAN: Will you please take ests produce, small timber of the rural and your seat? Do not interrupt in between. tribal population has been listed as one of Nothing will go on record. the main objective of this policy. The rights and concessions enjoyed by the tribals and SHRIMAT~ MANEI(A GANOHf: Some

·Not recorded. 493 Forest (conservation) VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) by Shri Haribhau 494 Amend. Bill Shankar Mahale of the Members specially Shri Rawat and degradation which we are faced with today, Shri Mohinder Pal have highlighted the prob- has been compounded by poverty and un- lems of hilly areas. They would agree with der development as well as the negative me that forest have especial sign~icance for effects of some of the developmental pro- such areas. Much of our agricu~ural produc- gramme. Often the attempts directed at tion in t~e plains depends on the vegetative development lead to the unintended side cover in the hilly and mountainous areas. effects which owing to consequential large Protection of such hydrological systems is of scaled afforestation or diversion of forest paramount importance to save the flat plains land, should be dispassionately considered from si~ation and floods. It is for thi5 reason not only at the State but also at the Natiunal that the forest policy envisages that at least level taking into account the social and 2J3nd of hills and mountainous regions should environmental aspects in total~y. be maintained under forest and tree cover. Schemes and projects which interfere with Many members have spoken about the forests that clothe steep slopes, catchment nexus between the contractors, politicians of rivers lakes and reservoirs, geologically and the Forest Department regarding the unstable terrain and other such ecologically felling of trees. In this connection,l woulO like sensitive areas should be severely restricted. to mention that for the last two decades the Despite these considerations, since June Government policy has been to eliminate 1989 we have been treating hill districts and contractors from forest area for which pur- other districts having forest land more than pose a large number of State Forest Depart- 50% of total geographical area on special ment Corporations had been set up. It is footing. In such areas compensatory affor- these Corporations which work the forests estation on non-forest land is not insisted as per management plans. Forest La'x>ur upon and it is allowed on forest land, twice in Cooperatives and tribal cooperatives are extent of the area diversified provided that encouraged and should be encouraged fur- forest land involved is less than 5 hactares ther. We are also taking steps to regulate the and the purpose of diversion is for construc- working of saw mills in the Country so that tion of link roads, small water works, minor there is less of timber harvesting, I would like irrigation works, hosprtals, tiny rural indus- to mention a few words about the forest trial sheds of the Government or any other officials also. The Forest Department similar works which directly benefits 'the throughout isthatof apolicing nature and the people of the area. I am confident that a fairly man has to work against the various odds in good number of developmental projects in far flung territories. He has to stay away from hilly areas would be covered in this category his family and friends. He has no medical thereby facilitating the clearance of such facilities, he has no educational facilities and projects. facilities available to any other Government servant. There is generally no concern at all A number of Members of the House for his plight and he is all the time being including Shri Y.S. Mahajan have expressed blamed fOf deforestation. His role of check- thew anxiety about developmental projects ing it is not liked by the people who try to on account of rigorous enforcement of the smuggle wood and that is why more often Act. Paradoxically, sometimes, the very than not he is being maligned. I want to share process of economic development and with you my experience. We have one For- poverty eradication programmes prove est Officer for so many 100 hectares or for a counter-productive marginalishing the poor-, distance as 20 kms 30 kms. The man has a est of the poor and aggravating environ- cycfe, he has a hands and that is all he has. mental degradation. This environmental The chap who goes to the forest to smuggle 495 Forest (conservation) APRIL 26, 1990 by Shri Haribhau 496 Amend. Bill Shankar Mahale [Shrimati Maneka Gandhi) the State Goverrtment has not yet submitted information for obtaining approval under the the goods he has jeeps, he has guns. He Forest Ad ... ( Interruptions). comes with a group of outlaws and the question before the lonely Forest Officer SHRI UTTAM RATHOO (Hingoli): These whether he should stay and get killed or he are old cases, Madam. These lands were should make a run for it .... (Jnts"uptions). given in 1978-79, before the Act was passed. 1980 came afterwards. Before that, the lands Now, we have got heroes. We have got were allotted. They were members of the poor people trying to earn their livelihood. cooperative society. They have taken loan. They may do but the point that we have At least, you regularise those cases. created the circumstances in which collaboration become a part of lile.1 would like-I am SHRIMATI MANEKA GANDHI: Well, not making a policy statement here-better Jet me look deeper into this. I think we should equipment forthe Forest Department. I would be having information about this. Let me look like to have jeeps, I would like to have better deeper into it. I cannot make a commitment guns, I would like to have night vision glasses. just now. We had a situation where a man called Veerappan in South India which you know I MR. CHAIRMAN: (SHRI THAMBI have taken up - got away with killing ele- DURAl): Madam, you conclude first. After- phants, smuggling sandal-wood, crsating wards you can reply to their points. mayhem, Only because he has killed so many Forest Officers. So, they all left the MR. Y.S. MAHAJAN: There are cases forest. I do not mean to say that Forest of river dam schemes which were taken up Officers are without blemish; I am iust saying before the Act was passed. that If you have a specific incident, you bring it to my notice. I am more concerned regard- SHRIMATI MANEKA GANDHI: You ing forests and Forest Officers. I would like cannot apply that case generally. When a you to bring specific incidents to my notice dam schemes is taken up, or any other and all adion would be taken against spe- schemes is taken up, or any other scheme is cific culprits. taken up, they originalfy ask for two hectares or five hectares but when the time goes on, Shri Mahaleji had mentIOned that no they want ten acres, they want fifty hectares, roads, no schools, no telephone lines are they want hundred hectares they want thou- allowed for development work of the tribals. sand hectares. When you say the scheme As I had mentioned earlier, a specialconces- was cleared before the Act was passed, it sions are given to tribal areas for construc- does not work that way, you know. tion activities inside the forest areas. It is not possible for us to permit the Conservator of Sir, Shri MahalejPs suggestion for giv- Forests to clear project proposals, as then ing LPG agency to villagers can only be there will be na control on the land to be considered by the Petroleum Ministry. As far diverted for forest clearance. It is also not as our Ministry is concerned, we are trying possible to agree to the proposal that cases very hard to encourage alternate sources off not cleared within one month should be energy like gobar gas plants, solar cookers presumed as cleared. or anything else which the villagers fgel and which we fee!. We will protect our forests and Regarding the problem of regularisa- get sustained development in the 'ililages. tion of encroachment in Maharashtra State, We are in touch with other Ministries in this 497 Forest (cons@rvation) VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) by Shri Haribhau 498 Amend. Bill Shankar Mahale regard. cooperate with our efforts.

It is incorrect to say that the enforce- Mr. Rawat also wanted guidelines to be ment of Forest (Conservation) Act, 1980 has issued to the States for speedier clearance not added to the increase in forest cover. of Forest (Conservation) Act. These have The I,gssessment made by the lands at- already been issued in June, 1988. How- imagery indicates that the extent of dense ever, it would -not be possible to dilute the forest cover has increased by 16,456 sq. provisions of the Act by allowing Forest kms. This indicates that our conservation clearance up to five hectares to be done by efforts have borne some the State Government. fruits ... (/nteffuptions). Well, landsat-imagery does not belong to A~ I said earlier, for hill areas, we have parties ... (Interruptions). already done it upto 5 hectares provided that this project itself brings relief to the hill people. SHRI Y.S. MAHAJAN: But how much The matter was considered by the Govern- has been destroyed? ment earlier and it was felt that large areas would be split up into a-small areas and thus, there would be no control on diversion of SHRIMATtMANEKAGANDHI: I agree. forest land. But I am just saying that this Act has also caused conservation of Shri Rawat has also alleged that the forests ... (Interruptions). Ministry of Environment and Forests do not listen to MPs but only to Environmental AN HON. MEMBER: It was done during groups. This is extremly an unfair comment our period. to make. I don't think that you could state a single case in which the Ministry or me have MR. CHAIRMAN: let her finish first. not listened to them. I listen to what India needs. However, if you think I am going to SHRIMATt MANEKA GANDHI: What- listen toone side or another side, I don't think ever be the period, forests belong to the it is like that. I listen to every side; sometimes natIOn. They do not belong to you. me or the groups of MPs, somebody who will study anybody else. I am qu~e happy that you took the subject, who is knowledgeable, who is credit for it. completely out of this sphere and ofcourse those agitators and Government people I try to listen to them and do what is best. I don't Moreover, Sir, the aim of the Forest think that in the coming month, you will be (Conservation) Act was to restrict diversion able to sustain that kind of allegation. We will of forest land for non-forest use. This has take the views of all concerned and then take been achieved fully and, as I mentione~ decision. earlier, the annual rate of diversion of forest land for non-forests use has become one- It was also pointed out that approxi- tenth now. Regarding forest fires, as the han. mately 3200 proposals from Uttar Pradesh Member knows, a Modern Forest Fire Con- are pending clearance under the Forest trol Project is under implementation in Uttar (Conservation) Act, 1980 at some stage or Pradesh and it has helped in extinguishing other. it is stated that as on 31-3-1990 a to1al fires by restricting their area. If Government numberof 932 proposals were received from tries to help the people by taking over some Uttar Pradesh. out of which 653 were ap- oftheir burden,1 think the people also should proved, 69 proposals were not approved, 499 Forest (conservation) APRIL 26, 1990 by Shri Haribhau 500 Amend. Bill Shankar Mahale CShrimati Maneka GandhiJ ment. Regarding projects, ,ot being cleared for five years, I would request the Members 184 proposals were rejected for non-furnish- to give the details so that the same can be ing of information, 15 proposals are pending checked up. Regarding saw mils,l would like and 11 proposals were withdrawn by the to mention that we have issued instruction is State Government. I think the figure of 3200 to State Governments to regulate the licens- happens to be misinformation. ing of saw mills in future so that indiscrimi- nate setting of saw mills is avoided. Shri Mohinder Singh Pal had mentioned that clearance of roads, telephone rair lines Shri K.D. Su~anpuri had mentioned for \Birla factory was not given. Hthe State about the construction of Raha Hotel at Government can gIVe proposafs in the proper Simla. The matter will be referred to the format, this coulO be considered. Regarding State Government and there views solicited. railway line between Rampur and New I agree with the member that new factOries Haldwani, an area of 122.7 hectares is re- should be set up only if adequate raw mate- quire for diversion. Commissioner, Hill divi- rial is available. I also agree that more funds sion, had sent this proposal directly to us and should be allocated to plantations specially not though the State Government. We have in hill areas and we have been able to requested him to route ij in the normal logical successfully get more funds in the overall manner which is through the State Govern- forestry sector this year. ment. The member also mentioned that a proposal for construction of Railway line is Sir, I am trying for Himalaya Greening pending since 1971. Without going Into is- Fund If that comes true, obviously the devel- sues with the member, I would like to men- opment of hill areas of our country can go a tion that forest conservation Act came into long way. being only 1980, In any case, the latest position on the subject has been stated by Shri Ram Chandra Dome mentioned me. that forest should be used for building modern society and alternative should be seen Shri Lakshmi Narayan Pandey had before utilising forest land. He also wanted mentioned about given forest villages to the that all pros and cons should be studied people living in forest areas. He also men- before amending the Forest Conservation tioned that many projects were pending for Act. I thank the Member for supporting the five years. In this connection,1 would like to present Act and would like to assure him that mention that this proposal wh ich the Hon 'ble no hasty step wi" be taken which would Member referred to was regarding Bodhghata dilute the provisions of the Forest Conserva- Multipurpose Hydro Electric project in Bas- tion Act. tar District. The position is that the State government has set up five study groups to Shri Cheddi Paswan mentioned that the conSider environmental clearance at the Ganges is po11uted with mud and there are State level. After their clearance, the case floods in Bihar. Every year a lot of money is would be submitted to Central Government. spent for this. As I mentioned earlier forest At the moment, the case is still being studied help in reducing the incidence of floods, by the State. It has not yet come to us. As drought, soil erosion etc., and ~ is only wnh soon as the proposal is received by US, we this aim in view that we should conserve shall conskJer the same. The question of forests and not dilute the provisions of the conversion of forest villages into revenue present Act. You cannot on the one hand te't villages is being considered by the Govern- me to have less cost on forests and give it to 501 FortISI (conStJfVStion). VAISAKHA 6, 1912 (SAKA) by Shri Harbhau 502 Atr»nd. SRI Shankar MahaJe the devefopmemar activity and on the other living in these areas are determined as part ·hand say that we should conserve the for- of the settlement procedure. Regarding ests. • Forest Conservation At;t, I would like to say that when the Act was passed by the Parlia~ Shri Ramashray Prasad Singh men- ment, representatives of all sections of soci~ tioned that development projects should not ety were present. Regarding harassment of be stopped as they increase the east over- tribaJs for taking firewood, I would like to run. I would like to mention that if forest mention that our policy, is, and the previous clearance is taken before starting the proj- Government's policy has been and for that ect, ~ would be much better rather than matter every Government policy has been, approaching for forem clearance at a later that the traditional rights of the tribals are date. He also mentioned that the Ministers respected and no harassment is given to should sit down and work out a solution. This them while they enjoy those rights. matter has already been discussed in the meeting of the Forest Ministers in May, 19b9 Shri Uttam Rathod mentioned about the when all issues regarding implementation of cooperative societies who were given land the Forest Policy and the Forest Conserva- by Government and are being deprived of tion Act were thrashed out. We will have their land. I would again request the member another meeting to review any lacunae in to give a spe.cific case, as such instances this regard. I am not clear about the case in have not come to our notice. which 8 years delay has occurred. as has been mentioned here. I wOuld like the Member Shri Prahlad Patel mentioned that the to let us know specific cases so that these system of afforestation is not good and teak could be enquired into. The Member also is planted which is not good environment. No mentioned that People should be allowed to form of monoculture whether teak or any- be settled on degraded forest land. Human thing you collect, is good. You cannot think of settlement on forest land is a major cause of monoculture, no monoculture is good. There concerns for us and it would not be proper to has not be a mixture of trees for natural use forest land for setting human beings. forests to grow. This is against the National Forest Policy. I only emphasise the fact hat if you keep Shri Pratap Singh mentioned that only taking It away, we an~ going to observe that those trees should be planted which can give we will not be able to conserve anything. We sustenance to men and animals all the year may not be conserving it because ~ is beau- round. I agree with him and we are laying :!ful. but because we have to settle human emphasis on plantation of species which are beings. An~ when you settle somebody. you indigenous to the locality and which help the don't get the trees, you don't get the water people in their day-to-day life. and what is point is providing this kind of India tor our children? We have asked the Shri Narasimha Reddy pointed out that State Govemments that they should ear- the le~ bank of Nagarjunasagar dam com- mark suffteient revenue land for the purpose. prising an area of 150 acres is under forests and because of this, more than 1.00 lakh Shri Piyush Tiraky mentioned that adi- acres of land cannot be irrigated. In this vasis were not consulted while declaring any connection, I would like to mention that we area as reserve forest and While pas~ing the received only five proposals for construction Forest Conservation Act. As he is aware, a of canal involving forest areas which \Vere due notice is given when an area is declared cleared in October, 1988. We are not aware as reserve forest and the rights of the people of any other difficulties which the State 503 Forest (conservation) APRIL 26, 1990 by Shri Haribhau 504 Amend. BiD Shankar Mahale [Shrimati Maneka Gandhij also in it.

Government is facing in this regard. If the SHRrMATI MANEKA GANDHI: The State Government forwards any other pro- emphasis is on fruit trees. When it is matured posals, we would allow certainly consider after 10 or 20 years depending on the tree, them. Regarding Shriram Sagar project, the Forest Department is entitled to the tim- three proposals have been received amount- ber as well. But in the interim period, nobody ing to 171.98 hectares of forest land. The can cut it. same has been referred to the State Govern- ment seeking some clarifications. Regard- SHRI K.S. RAO: It is the Government ing widening of national Highway No. 7 in that had cut 3,000 trees in Andhra Pradesh. Adilabad areas, the proposal has not been received from the State goverflment. It will SHRIMATI MANEKA GANDHI: Based be considered as soon as it is received. I on your complaint, this is being looked into. agree with the Member that mango trees which were planted on forest land should not SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV (Tripura have been cut off on the plea of their being West):To what category does the pineapple unauthorised. In fact, I would like to mention tree belong to? something here. Yesterday, we all sat together and reviewed the Forest Policy. This SHRIMATI MANEKA GANDHI: I think it year, we are thinking of giving the users the is a shrub, but I do not know to what category right to enjoy the fruits. 'cannot plant on the it belongs. I think it is a low-lying tree. wasteland area. Therefore, the NGOs do not come forward to plant because there is no Shri Prem Kumar Dhumal mentioned land. about the problem of pollution due to Punjab National Fertilizers and Punjab Alkalies. I SHRI K.S. RAO (Machilipatnam): Are would like to mention to him that the attention you going to give free pattas? of the State Government has been drawn to the points raised by the Member and their SHRIMATI MANEKA GANDHI: No, it is response Is awaited. WE are continuously not free pattas. The land will continue to pursuing with them on this matter. belong to the Forest Department. But ~ you plant the tree, you are entitled to the fruits, Shri Nand Kumar Sahay had mentioned leaves and everything. This is a new policy about filming for extension activities. The which has been formulated. Ministry is supporting making of films on afforestation, wildlife, environment etc. and SHRI RAGHAVJI (Vidisha): A person even financial assistance is given in some who is planting a tree is entitled to the fruit cases. only and not to the tree. Shri Tej Narain Singh had mentioned SHRIMATt MANEKA GANDHI: No, he that trees are cut for development purposes. is entitled to the tree aJso when it is matured. I would like to mention again that growth of Otherwise, 'Iou w\\\ have 0"\'1 u"p\a"ted ttees and \e\\\ng them (erna\n gteen aM Eucalyptus plantations. They can plant the providing green cover is aiso a form of deve\- trees which are approved by the Forest opment. h would be wrong to transfer the Department and do farm forestry. forest land to tribals as suggested by Shri Singh. However, their rights would be pro- SHRI K.S. RAO: You can add fruit trees tected. 505 Forest (conservation) VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) by Shri Haribhau 506 Amend. Bill Shankar Mahale Shri Ramakrishna Yadav mentioned that State Governments. Actual implementation the fault is not in the Act but in the implemen- is at the State level. Now that the new policy tation machinery. The reason for the Act guidelines are there, the State Governments remaining on paper is that we do not have can implement them. enough funds to carry them out. But we have issued guidelines from time to time to see MR. CHAIRMAN: Already the time allot- that the Act is more relevant to our country. t,d for this Bill is over. If the House feels, we The fatest suggestion given by the Ministry is can extend thetimetill Shri Haribhau Mahale that we have ensured more and more partici- completes his reply. pation of the people for better implementation of the Act. Regarding Shri Tombi Singh's SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes, Sir. contention about afforestation, I would like to assure him that this ministry has taken affor- [Translation] estation very seriously and we have taken several steps in the National Wastelal'ld SHRI HARIBHAU SHANKAR MAHAlE Development Board which will show results (Malegaon): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I was sur- in a year or so. J greatly appreciate his prised to listen to the hon. Minister that ~ is intention to plant more and more trees. I nothing but a creation of our imagination. In would like more people !ike him to realise the fact it is the creation of the officers. I have importance of forests and actively help us in said earlier also that these people are just planting more trees in their constituencies. harping about environment. They are not fully aware of their irrigation system in our In view of the clarifications given by me, country. I would like to cite an example of I would request the Members not to press Maharashtra. 12 percent of the total land is with the proposed amendment and request under irrigation out of which 6 percent is Sh,i Mahaleji to withdraw his proposal. I can managed by the farmers on their ow and the assure the House that speedier action would other 6 percent is looked after by the Gov- be taken by the Ministry in regard to disposal ernment. Now, I would like to ask the han. of Forest Conservation cases and other re- Minister, through you, the total number of lated matters. (Interruptions) trees that have been planted by the farmers? You talk of protecting the forests but merely SHRI K.S. RAO: While giving free pat· talking would not serve thepurpose. In tas to the people without giving the right of Maharashtra, alone one official used to head land and leaving it to the forest Department, the forest department, when 33 per cent of there is a problem of implementation. As you the area was under forests but now when the were telling, will you kindly take steps for number of officials looking after this depart- effective implementation? Will you pass on ment has gone up to seven, ironically the this policy decision immediately to the con- forests have reduced to mere 8 per cent. I cerned Departments and the State Govern- want to know why these forest laws were ments so that they can allocate the plots formulated in such a manner that it became where bushes are there? an easy job for the corrupt officials to twist them. One cannot ignore how these officials SHR\MA.T\ MANEKA GANDHI: Actu- throw dust into our eyes. ally, ~ comes under the National Wasteland Oeveklpment Board. 'festeTday, we had a I would like to raise one more point. meeting ot all the NGOs. The policy is being Recently the portrait oi the great Constitu- worked out and formulated. As soon as it has tion maker was installed in the Central Hall. been finalised, I would certainly send to the These days we are watching the serial 507 Fotn' (conservation) APRIL 26, 1990 Youth BiN by Shri Hannan 508 Amend. BiI by Shri Harbhau Shankar Mahale Mollah (Sh. Harbhau Shankar Mahale] tations. Therefore, I would like to request the hort Minister through you, to reconsider his 'Mahabharata' on TV and Kauravas have decisions and bring such a Bill in the Parlia- refused to give even one inch land to the ment which is in the wider interests of the Pandavas. How do you think would this Ad public. I am ready to wkhdraw my Bill, but serve the interests of the tribals whose total you should give me some assurance first. population is five CfOres and they face a large number of problem in their day-to-day [English) life. besides there is dispute about forest land. I have already said that I am a lover of SHRIMATI MANEKA GANDHI: He has trees and I prefer plantation of more and asked me to clear it in three months. I have more trees rather the irri9atiofl facilities in my already said that I will clear it in six weeks. He district. We must realise the Significance of said that 10 acres have to come to the forests because these play a vital role in Government. In fact, 10 hectares have come creating good environment. But this forest to us. Ad would be a hurdle in it. SHRI UTIAM RATHOD: I would like to In 1962, Shn Yashwantrao Chavan know that is the plant population you expect enacted the Zila Parish ad Act. in Maharash- per hectare. tra which created red-tapism as it provided for len or more than ten villages to be handled SHRIMATI MANEKA GANDHI: I will by a single secretary. It was obvious 10 look into it and give it to you. happen. Therefore, I insist that provision should be made to settle the dispute bout of MR. CHAIRMAN: Does the hone mem- S to 10 acres of forest land should be consid- ber have the leave of the House to withdraw ered at a higher level say at the Minister's his Bill? level. It is a good thing that you have full confidence in all your officials but at the SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes. same time we must be a little practical also. The Government of Maharashtra has openly [ Translation] criticised your policy on this and and they have outrightly refused to send any cases to SHRI HARIBHAU SHANKAR MAHALE: you for consideration. Therefore, my sug- Although I wanted to seek a few more clari- gestion to you is that those cases whiCh do fications but now I withdraw my Bill. not involve big stretches of land should be dealt with some leniency. But thiS does not imply that I am criticising your policy to protect the forest from being destroyed. My 16.54 hrs_ secxmd demand is that you should specify certain time limit to dispose off he cases. I YOUTH BILLS have come to know that some cases are pending with your Ministry for the last ten to [English) twelve years and no decision has been taken so far regarding those pending cases. Even SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH (Utuberia); if reply is sent it is in negative. Although I am Sir, I beg to move: a member of Janata Oal but I feetthat it is my utmost duty to speak for those people who "That the BiD to provide for a compre- have 18nt me to the House with some expec- hensive policy for the development of 509 Youth BiR VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) by Shri Hannan Mollah 510

the youth in the country be taken into the Centenary of our first Prime Minister to consideration. • get the statement. This is unfortunate. But the so called youth policy of 1988 did not Mr. Chairman, I am happy thai you have serve any purpose. One statement was permitted me to move this BiD and the House made. These are just some h~-sounding has taken up the Bill for consideration as I am words put in the form of a statement. It was working in the interest of the youth. We are never discussed in the Parliament nor by the demanding all those on which we have people of the whole country. It ignored the concentrated in this Bill. As you are aware, youth movement, those who are woli(ing in for any country or nation, students a~ youth this field. Just one statement was made that community are very important. The future of is all. The point is that only by making state- a nation or a State depends upon the devel- ment alone we cannot solve the problems. It opment of this section of the society. The will serve no purpose. There should be a human resource is superiqr to aU other re- comprehensive Ad. There is no Ad for sources. And that is why planned investment implementing all these policies. It is just a for human resource is necessary because ~ statement. That is all. In many countries, can utilise the other resources in a better there are Youth Acts. All the issues concem- way. Therefore, ~ Is essential for any country ing the youth adiv~y are collected and there to have a comprehensive understanding Cff is a single Act and the legal authority has the questions related to the youth and stu- been giV8n and the Government and the dents of the country. various other Departments implement it. We have even created a Department of Youth Sir, in the past. the former colonial rulers Affairs. They have yet to implement the used the Indian youth e~her as cannon fod- programmes. Only some decisions of the der or as pen-pushers. But, during the free- Govemment are implemented. They sp8nd dom struggle this sed ion of society played a some money and distribute it here and there. glorious role and created a powerful move- But no comprehensive Act is there for the ment against the imperialist forces. In the betterment of the youth of our country. process they bravely faced extreme forms of inhuman suppression tortures and they made Sir, in the post-Independence period, a supreme sacrifices. So, it was the natural huge monopoly capitalism has developed expectation that this most valuable sections and the foreign multinational capitalists of this society should be fuUy deve1o.ped and occupied important part of our economy. utilised without negligence, discrimination The real land reform was not implemented. and delay. But since Independence apart In spite of discussions, debates and declara- from scattered and vague pronouncements tions it was not implemented as there was no no clearcut youth policy has been prepared. political wHI to do so. As a result of this, The Directive Principles of our Constkution whatever development has taken place give some guidelines regarding questions during the last 43 years, the fruits ara con- relating to the unemployment, educaiton, cerned by only a small section of the people social justice, equal rights for women etc. of this country. But even now a comprehensive youth policy has not emerged to transform these guide- 17.00 hr•• lines into action or put them into practice. Even for a statement w. have to woli( for a And most of the hopes fX these people of our centenary. When the Centenaty of the hi ...... , ... ucrificed their lives for the Prime Minister was observed, then I It... lftdIpeI.nce atruggte, were belied. You mentofpolieywasm •. W.haveto .... ""-. .... iI the situation today in the 51 1 Youth Bill APRil 26, 1990 by Shri Hannan Mo/lah 512

[Sh. Hannan Mollah] About 35 per cent of our population can be accepted as the youth of your country. country. Every fifth unemployed person in Even sixty per cent of our voters are youth. the world is the Indian. Every second illiter- They can play an important role. They do ate in the world is an Indian. A large numl)er play their role. But they are befooled and of them are young people. This is the direct misled and their hopes are belied. This is the result of not having a correct youth policy. normal thing happeining even after 43 years of our Independence. You know, in the field of sports, at the world level, our role is very insignificant. We We have heard many wrong slogans oan get big prize for poverty, illiteracy and all like "no ideology." But correct ideological these things. But where do we stand in the understanding can raise their conscious- field of sports? Only a small percentage of ness. Patriotism and love for the mother our population is there in the field of sports. land, anti-imperialist heritage, peace and Even Surinam can get a gold in OlympIcs; It unity and integr~y of the country. All these has a population less than the population of high ideals could be generated in their think- a resettlement colony in Delhi. But we can't ing and in their mind. But because they are manage a gold. In the cu~ural arena also, it misled, they fall victims to lot of degenera- is dominated by just feudal obscurantism, tion. When we establish the cu~ure of de- decadence and degeneration. This IS what generation, we establish the culture of we have given to the younger generation of communalism, casteism and the culture of our country in spite of all the promises and corruption. " we establish this culture before sacr~ices. Social justICe IS the worst victim in the younger generation, we cannot expect the evil hands of casteism, communalism, them to develop evenly in this country. So regionalism linguistiC chauvinism, sex dis- this situation has been created and our crimination under which young people of our younger generations are the victims of this country are suffering. Backward sedions of onslaught. people are still far-behind economically. In this context is it is utmost important to 17.02 hrs. start a powerful, unitad reform movement. A comprehensive youth policy is needed for [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chai~ the whole country and to implement them we want an all embracrng youth law. In the Only a minor section of the upper classes are beginning we have to free the minds of our benefited t7f some special concessions. youth completely from the colonial legacy to Youths beionging to workers, peasants and wean them from the backward feudal ideol- otllt (to~ing sections are not provided what ogy of the colonial era. We have to fight th~ want and, thus, a widefrustration among against the religious obscurantism, supersti- the younger generation has been creat·,Q. tion, fanaticism, fundamentalism separatism Divisw. and reactionary forces are utilising and unscientific thinking. That should be the these teenagers. And the young minds are guiding principle to formulate the youth pol- the play..ground of the enemies of our coun- icy in the country. Sometimes we mention try-the anti-national forces, communal forces these things here and there but that is not and the casteist forces. Divisive and diver- translated into action. sive tacticts of the ruling classes in the country have created this serious situation, even The real national pride is our genuine after 434 years of Independence. feeling of internationalism, independent, 513 Youth Bm VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) by Shr; Hannan Mollah 514 scientijic and logical thinking, the spir~ of right. Nobody bothers about the Directive secularism, patriotism, anti-imperialism and Principles. Our national character is degen- anti-colonialism, expect for labour and erated to such an extent that we do not follow women, firm optimism, fresh ideas and new the directives of our Constitution. We have to values, a sense of unity and integrity aod accept that it is a failure of one chapter of our res~ct for elders. We should inculcate all Constrtution. Now we are fighting for the these things in them. But how can we do inclusion of that chapter into the fundamen· this? If we place examples before our younger tal rights so that we cannot run away and we generation they will follow them. But if we have to do it. Simply the directives alone will place before them the examples of corrup- not do because rt does not fit in to our nature; tion and degeneration, they will follow only at least those who are running the affairs. those 'examples .. So we have to take this responsibility. What those who are respon- The youth policy should be linked with sible for running the system, the country and the production process. If they had a chance those who have the power have done to the to be linked to the productiOn process, they younger generation is one of the important cannot continue with what they are doing questions. today. Then there is the disparity between the urban and rural youth. when we formu- You take the question of education. It late the youth policy, that should also be kept should be a right and not a privilege. What in mind. There is desperation among the we have given is that we have made it a youth. If bet1er benefit is available some- privilege. We are debating and fighting where. they are running after that. It should against the commercialisation of education. be eliminated gradually with proper policy But we have seen how in the name of the so directions which is one of the major ques- called new education policy-which is a scrap, tions. which is a total war against edu~aition, which is to destroy the approach of mass educa- Then, we have reservation for Sched- tion. which only creates an elitist section in uled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. We stand upper strata, which only acts true to British- by the reservation policy. It should continue. ers-the masses are not involved. A large But mere reservation will not serve the pur- section of these people are Illiterate. Inspite pose. We should have the politiclal will to of our constitutional directives, nothing hap- bring them up. Only when the entire back- pened. ward section of the society develops, we can say that it is developed fully. Those people Now we can say this when we talk of the who are deprived of the benefits for thou- right of education as a fundamental right. sand of years should get priority. Onl" a Why? Because the Directive Principle has small section of the younggr generc.. In failed. We should be courageous enough to among the Scheduled Castes and Sched- speak that a certain area of our Constitution uled Tribes is getting the benefit. The benefit has failed inspite of the ideals propagated by does not percoJate to the vast section of the our great forefathers. They thought we will youth among the Scheduled Castes, Sched- be better human elements, we will remem· uled Tribes and the downtrodden.We have ber them and their guidance. But we are not to keep this also in mind in formulating the such ~ great creatures. The Directive Prin· youth policy. The deprivation is creating ciples have failed. We could not stand up frustration. We have seen what damage b{)cause the Directive Principle has failed frustration has done. We are playing w~h and that is why are demanding that the right blood in Kashmir, in Punjab, in Assam and in to education should be made a fundamental many other parts of the country. ~ is also due 515 Youth Bill APRil 26, 1990 by Shri Hannan Monah 516

[Sh. Hannan Mollah] seen the sati case. We have discussed the sufferings of the young women in this House. to the frustration of the extrem!st forces, that It is due tothe old, obscurantist practice, they people are becoming victims. Youth are join- are suffering. Their education is minimum. ing hands w~h the anti-social elements. in The ~ate of education is only 36 per cent in come cases and they themselves are be- the country. For women, that is much less coming anti-social elements. In some other and in certain regions that is alrTlO$t negli- cases, they are becoming drug-peddlers. A gible. H it is so, how can we .expect thel large section of the youth today, are becom- younger generation to dwelop? We are ing drug addicts, destroying their health and keeping haH of the young people, the women their future. We have to see how they can be like this. They are suffering from all sorts of saved from such disasters, which is the deficiencies and difficulties. The young direct result of the non-direction or non- women are facing special problems, Hke existence of a correct youth policy in our social discrimination, economic injustice, country since Independence. sexual harassment, dowry, bride-burning, etc. To overcome all these things, our main Besides this, other problem~ are al~ concern is how to properly develop all the there. We should have a comprehensive youth in the oountry physically and mentally. health policy. The problems of health and Keeping that in view, I want to pilot this Bill. housing are there, but we cannot discuss all these. When the young people want to start We have been fighting for rights for the a new family, they do not know actually as to younger people for many decades. but where to live. Housing problem is one of the nobody is there to listen. They formulated a major problems which the younger genera- policy statement in which ~ was said: A tion is facing today. national youth policy is being launched in the year of birth centenary of Jawaharlal Nehru. There is lack of proper sports and cul- They will form a committee and inv~e all the turalfacil~ies in the country which have to be national youth and students organisations. looked into. And we will help to implement the policy.

Then let us come to the question of the We have never heard about it. The then democratic rights. Without proper democratic Government has never bothered to discuss rights we cannot train the younger ger:lera- it and have interaction regarding thjs policy. tion. We have to train the younger genera- We have seen how the younger people have tion properly in a proper democratIc direc- been treated. We are fighting for right to work tion. We have to generate tolerance among to be treated as a fundamental righ~ That is them. When we ourselves are not tolerant, one of the major demands of the younger how can we expect the younger generation generation. We r:-lnember that the biggest to be tolerant, If we inculcate tha true spint of ever rally took place' here in 1981 in which democracy. then only we can expect a better lakhs of young people participated. They future. demanded that the right to work should be included in the fundamental rights. But the Now, let us see the problems of the then Government categorically said that it young women. The posrtion is that they can was not possible all through. But because of be burnt; they can be thrown out of their continuous movement of the youth and the houses ancf that they should not ask for students in the country, we have found that ~also. We know howthe young most of the poinical parties have included ~ WOMan ar. ~ering in the society. We have in their manifestos. We are happy that tor the 517 Youth Bill VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) by Shri Hannan Mollah 518 first time, the National Front Government MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Would you formed at the Centre, have accepted ~ in like to go into the details of right to education, their manHesto. After formation of the Gov- right to work, right to housing right to hea~h ernment, they have repeatedly agreed. and other things. Are you going to cover all the Fundamental Rights? MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You have spoken for 20 minutes. Don't you want oth- SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: No Sir. I am ers to say anything on this? referring only to right to work. (Interruptions)

SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: I will not MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hso, then do unnecessarily take extra time. We are de- not be very extensive. manding right to work from this Government. They have promised about ~. We have to (Interrup1ion..s+- see that the Government does not go back from that promise. But we do not share the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Sir, view when certain people say that it is not that is the comm~ment of the Government. possible. (Interruptions) SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: We demand that right to work should be Sir. he is exercising his right over the Bill. a fundamental right. When we raise this (Interruptions) demand, we do not raise it irresponsibly. We are responsible people. When the younger SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: Sir, I will not generation raised the demand, they raised it take much. time of the House. with a sense of responsibility and not just for the sake of raising ~. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You have When we include the right to work in the already tak.en much of the time of the fundamental rights, we have to define clearly House.Please restrict your comments only what is 'work'. You can instigate the people to the subject. If you want to cover all the to work. What work? Clerical work! That Fundamental Rights, it will take_much more concept is that. We do not share that idea. time ... We are fighting for that demand for years together and also sacrificing for that. We (Interruptions) raised the demand w~h a sense of responsibility. We think that right to work should be MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Right to work properly defined. But in that defin~ion, cer- is little different. Having made a reference to tain things should be there. It should be this, please pass on to education. mentioned that work is not only a right but is also a duty about which everybody in the $HRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY: Sir, country forgets. right to work and right to education is still not the Fundamental Rights. Atthe same time. dignity of labour should be recognised. Those who work less, they MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: That is more get honour. Those who work more, dignity is than enough. You need not go into the de- less for them. Because of that, we cannot tails of it. come out of this problem, We have to generate a right concpept and not a colonia1 con- ( Interruptions) cept. The dignity of labour and earning should also be included in that concept. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: There should 519 Youth Bill APRIL ?6, 1990 by Shri Hannan Mollah 520

[Sh. Hannan Mollah] need to be taken care of. Then, I have discussed in one section about the appropri- be a proper definition of dignhy of labour and ate training fo students. I have already given earning. When you formulate the Youth an idea whh regard to the employment pro- Policy, you should define the right to work vision. That needs to be incorporated suita- properly. Education aspect should also be bly. there when you formulate that policy. Sports and health aspects should also be taken into Further, there is the question of repre- consideration Culture is the majorfield where sentation of the youths in the employment youngsters are involved. But there is diver- exchanges. You know the situation in re- sity of culture also. Tribals have their own spect of employment exchanges. You know culture. The cultural aspects should get a the situation in respect of employment ex- proper reflection in the Policy which you are changes. That is the den of corrupt people. going to formulate. When you formulate the That organization needs to be properly reor- Youth Policy, a correct understanding of the ganized and youths should be represented history should be- inculcated among youths. there. The working conditions of the youth Merely formulating the Youth Policy will not should be humane and all these provisions serve the purpose. We have to achieve the should be implemented in a proper manner. great ideas which we are talking of. For this, we require laws and I have mentioned these The participation of the youth in the laws in the draft which I have made. I think offices and factories and everywhere should the Government will accept these laws. If be meaningful and that should be ensured. this Bill is passed or accepted by the Govern- There is need to provide in law young talent ment, then it will be a Magna Carta for the movement in the various fields so that we youth of our country. Since 43 years of can catch them young and develop them and Independence, India has not seen any Youth use them ultimately for the betterment of the Policy. Making a statement here and there country and the nation. That needs to be will not be accepted by us. We want a com- provided in the law so that such a provision prehensive Youth Act and I have suggested can be implemented in the right earnest. some provisions for this also.Educatlonal facimies should be incorporated In the Bill in I have also suggested in the ~iII for an Educational facilities should be incorporated apex body of the youth at the national level, in the Bill in a legal pattern so that nobody as also at the State and district levels, so that can escape after committing mistakes. The they can be consuned for taking any decision Directive Principles of our Constitution have affecting the youth. In fact, we have seen for not been taken care of properly. Those who the first time after independence that the are at the helm of affairs have to implement National Front Government and invited the it. Participation of youth in the management, yout~ organizations. The Prime Minister sat administraition, educational institutions with them for the whole day. should also be considered. Sports facilities, which I have mentioned in one article, should SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Not all. also be included and defined properly. Then, there is the question of.promotion of health SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: All awareness. The provision of nutrient meals the important organizations were invited. in the schools forthe younger people needs to be there. I hav~ also included the need for SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: All the youth medical facilities for them. The training of the organizations have met and have chalked youth including that in the vocational fields out a policy. They have discl:sed it for days 521 Youth Bill VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) by Shr; Hannan Mollah 522 together and they have draft guidelines for a hensive policy for the development of proper youth policy and that will be submit- . the youth in the country, be taken into ted to the Government so that they can consideration ... consider that and evolve a correct policy and tollow that. [ Translation]

Then, whatever programmes you have, SHRI YUVRAJ (Katihar): I beg to move: you should modify them in the best interests of the youth. You have the Nehru Youth (i) That the Bill be circulated to elicit Kendras and some other institutions. There opinion thareon by 31st July, is a lot 01 misuse there. There is a need of 1990, suitable reorganization. Then, in the youth organizations, apart from the representa- (ii) That the Bill to provide for a tives of the State Gove~nment, representa- comprehensive policy for the tive of the young people should be involved development of the youth in the for the management of such bodies. I have country be referred to a Select included provisions for all these aspects in Committee of seven members, the Bill. namely

I would request the Government that in (1) Shri Sukhdev Paswan orderto evolve a correct policy forthe youths, my Bill should be accepted and passed by (2) Shri TaslimudiC' the House. This Youth Bill Will over various aspects concerning youths of our country. (3) Shri Hukumdeo Narayan Only then. we will correctly reflect the desire "adav of the nation to develop and flourish in an atmosphere of fraternity, rationality, and (4) Dr. S.P. Yadav secularism and in an atmosphere of fellow feeling and patriotism. In order to achieve (5) Shri Surya Narayan Yadav this, I have moved my Bill. I hope, the Gov- ernment will consider it and accept it, so that (6) Shri Bhakta Charan Das we have a correct policy in respect of the youth as well as we have the legal sanction (7) Shri Yuvraj for implementing all these provisions. and it may be instructed to give the report by I am sure, this Bill will be dtscussed in the last day of the first week of the coming the House with all seriousness and a numbe.r session. of valuable suggestions will come and that this Bill will be passed. As I said, for the first [ Trans/ation) time in our country, we will have one Youth law and that will be a Magna Carta for the SHRI HARISH RAWAT: (Almora): Mr. entire country. With these words, I recom- Deputy Speaker, Sir, I support the Bill whole end the Bill for consideration. heartedly.

MR. DEPUlY SPEAKER: Mothlcn {Englishl moved: MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Rawat, "That the Bin to provide 10r a compre- let us distinguish betwee\n the philosophy, 523 Youth BiR APRIL 26, 1990 by Shri Hannsn MD,., 52~ policy and the Bill itself. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUQHARY (Katwa): The people die in this country at the SHAt HARISH RAWAT: Certainly, I will age of 45. support all the three angles of the Bill, Sir. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The average MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Will you age is 56 years. speak on the philosophy, policy or on the Bill itself? .•. (Interruptions) ...

SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Sir,l will speak SHRI HARISH RAWAT: I have had the something about the Bil~ something about opportunity of witnessing the youth activities the policy and I would like to tell about its in some oommunist countries very closely. philosophy also. An Act has been passed there regarding youth. Clear directions are given there re- ITranslation] garding their education, health, employment and cuhuralJnvolvement Unfortunately, we The main objective of this Bill is to bring have not been able to take any such decision under an Ad all the policy decisions and and have -divided them in various political announcements in regard to youth activities ideologies, The oommunist countries have sol that the Central Government and all the only one politiclal ideology and oountries like State Governments are bound to implement Soviet Russia and others have a distinct those decisions. I fulty agree that dUring the political set up. They have tried to train their last forty years, we lacked uniformity in our youths in one particular political ideology. policies for development of youth which were The r,esults were mixed, good as well Go. bad. prepared from time to time, as and when Ours is a democratic set up and we cannot required. That is the reason why the youth train our youth in a particular ideology. There- movement fa~ed to develop into a strong fore, we have to explore the areas and political and social movement. programmes suitable for the youths so as to give them a direction. My friend has tried to In fact, it is necessary to have a con- identify many such areas in this regard. He crete policy for our youth just as we have the has stressed the need for making education industrial policy and the agricultural policy. compulsory but forgot to mention the level So far, we have not been able to decide as to upto secondary level. We would have to who is 10 be identified as, youth. ponder over as to how to give a right direction to his future life after he completes secon- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: As per this dary education so that the could be engaged document, the age is given as 45 years. in constructive work and nation building by tapping all his potentialities. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: I also wanted to say the same. I thought that I was no more I would like to submit that the previous a youth, but as per this norm, I have started Government had also framed a policy in this considering myself a youngman. I had regard which was discussed threadbare. We thought to begin my speech by saying that would welcome if you implement it after an ex-youth supports the matters raised by a making some improvements V'ithout involv- present youth; but I had to refrain from doing ing politics. My friend, Shri Hannan MoUah SO when I saw that the upper' age limit has has tried to view it trom a political angle. He been raised to 45 years. said that the National Front Government has 525 Youth Bill VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKj\) by Shri Hannan Mo/Iah 526 called a meeting of youth soon after assum- could not produce desired results. This could ing offICe. But only a selected band of youths be possible only when Government takes who had their political links with them were over their responsibility instead of the family called. It would have been much better if they sharing the burden. We see that most of the had called It he youth representatives of vari- talented youths lose their creativity due to ous areas and political ideologies and elected poor economic conditions and lack Of finan- representatives at University and viilage level. cial support. They want to rise in lie but do You cannot frame a youth policy in this way, not find a conducive atmosphere. The Gov- as it would give rise to doubts. I am of the ernment and society can create such an view that the earlier attempt was more hea~hy atmosphere. It has been said that 'right to as it made no distinction between congress work' will be made a fundamental right. It is and non-congress youths and representa- a good step and we should support it when tives from every forum were invited. At that a bill to this effect is introduced. But merely time, an attempt was made to link various passing a legislation and making it a funda- Government, non-Government and sports mental right in the Constitution would not organisation and youth orga'1isations like solve the problem. Already, we have a Nehru Yuvak Kendra with it. number of fundamental rights on the statute book, but they do not ensure a better future I would like to request hon. Minister to for the people. "the surety of future is to be specify the age ~mit of the youth. We should ensured. the Government must initiate a also endeavour to teach the youth as to how comprehensive programme todothis, other- they could reduce their dependence or bur- wise it would result in even greater frustra- den on their families till they get employ- tion ..Unfortunately, no person associated ment. -r'We' nation should own their burden. with National Front Government, has come We have to identify the field for which their forward with such a programme which could talents are best suited. If a youth is talented open new avenues and create new opportu- In sports, he could be trained in that field to nities for the youths. It is just possible that become a good sportsman. More than once, some powerful youths may drag the Govern- it has been suggested in the house that the ment to the supreme court to get work but children with sports talent should be identi- u~imately it will offer nothing but disappoint- fied at a very young age and should be ment to the common man and the rural nursed in the particular fields. Similarly, 1f a youth. All this would have been understand- child inclined towards Government job, he able had the Government announced pay- should be given further education and ment of unemployment allowance to these moulded in that cast so that he could be who are not provided with jobs. Something come an efficient organs of our Government must be done and for those who are under machinery in future. Likewise, we can train employed or semi-employed. They too should and educate a child in cu~ural and vocational getfull employment. I know that many youths fields, if he shows inclination in respectIVe working in private firms are removed after 3- fields. But all this cannot be possible unless 4 months service and then they are forced to there is an active cooperation from Govern- roam about aimlessly and their life virtualty ment. I have stated in the beginning that we comes to an end. Attention must be paid to have treated the problem in piecemeal them also. H something like it is already manner. For example, when tt~e question of being dot'le, then it is very good if not the unemployment arose, we started different Gov~mmen1 must evolve a comprehensive emptoyment programmes forthe youth, be it programme in this regard. Mere propaganda Employment Guarantee Programme or other that 'right to work" has been made a funda- programmes. As a result, these programmes mental right would not do as it win cause only 527 Youth Bill APRIL 26, 1990 by Shri Hannan Mellsh 528

[Sh. Harish Rawat] SHRI YADAVENDRA DATTA (Jaun- disappointment. If you really wish to do pur): I would like to submit that since we have something for them, you must supplement it framed our bills after putting a lot of labour, w~h a comprehensive programme under I request that they should not be allowed to which work round the year to the semi- lapse. Therefore, they should be taken up employed should be ensured and legal pro- next time. For this, we shall be grateful to vision for the payment of unemployment you. allowance to the unemployed should be made. I would suggestthat N.C.C. should be [English] made compulsory in schools and colleges, as it inculcates a sense of disciplined life in MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We will treat students. Personallys~aking, itwasN.C.C. them as per the rules and see how we can which taught me the sense of disciplined life help the members. while at school. but since N.C.C. is not compulsory these days, some educational [ Translation] institutions do have this course and not all. As it would not entail much expenditure, it SHRI YUVRAJ (Katihar): Mr. Deputy should be made compulsory right from the Speaker, Sir. I have given some amend- junior level, say from the 6th standard to ments to the 'Youth Bill, 1990-' brought for- graduate level. Arrangement must be made ward by hon. Shri Hannan Mollah because it for it irrespective of the expenditure involved. is a very comprehensive bill and has several Apart form it, N.S.S. has done a lot of work clauses. Therefore, I want that the bill be despite paucity of founds in universities an circulated to the hon. Members to elic~ opin- colleges. I would like to request you to pro- ion by 31 st July, 1990 and a Select Commit- vide funds for this purpose. Moreover, the tee be constructed for this purpose with youth exchange programme, under which Sarva Shri Sukhdeo Paswan, Taslimuddin. the youths of one ~tate go to an other state Hukumdeo Narayan Yadav, Prof. S.P.Yadav and mix up w~h each other promotes na- and Shiv Narayan Yadav as members. The tional integration. Such creative programmes committee should subm~ its report by the should be encouraged and Nehru Clubs last day ofthe first week of the nextsession.ln should be constituted in all parts of the this context, I would like to submit that in all country. , have seen the work of such clubs the changes and revolutions that took place in my constituency and I congratulate the the world over, the role played by the youth organisers who conceived this scheme. Such has been v_ery important. but when the clubs should be provided with sports goods changes do not come up to their expectation, and financial help. This would help them a an inevitable reaction and disappointment lot. Similarly, the youths should be lined with follow and they engage themselves in de- Jawahar Rozgar Yojana and other such structive activities. All this coils back on the programmes. A solid foundation can be laid ruling party. Therefore, I do not want to by linking the yoUth organisations like P.R. D. criticise the bill relating to 'right to work' (their names may vary from state to state) proposed by the Government as I under- which would give them a base and opportu- stand that it may solve many problems if ~ is nity to earn a livelihood as well. with these put into practice sincerely. Besides, Govern- words, , support the bill brought forward by ment owes a big respons!bility to society. H Shri Hannan Mollah with a view to framing a Government bans sale of liquor by enforcing youth policy and bringing all these pro- prohibition, ~ would be doing a great service grammes under one AI:;t. to the youth all over the country, as they are 529 Youth Bill VAISAKHA 6,1912 (SAKA) by Shrj Hannan Mollah 530 victims of this vice. There is hardly any state reforming this system. This can be accom- where prohibition has been enforced fully. plished only through a greater cooperation Seven the States where prohibition was in among the Government and different politi- force earlier are now relaxing it. You would cal parties sitting on either side of House. We recall that the former Prime Minister, Shri people, who sn in the committees to discuss Mora~i Desai had ordered prohibition various subjects and go to villages as well, through-out the country and tried to enforce owe a responsibility to fight for them and to ~fully. Whenever, wewenttoourconst~uen provide for proper ad ucation for them so that cies, ~e saw a great despondency as well as their attitude towards society and the nation anger as there was no work available for the could undergo a change. We should come rural poor and youth. Even those who did get forward and guide them at any cost. Without work did not get their wages regularly. There going into detail, I would like to brief you were no means even to educate t!1em. As a about the activities of Nehru Yuvak Kendra, result, they fell victims to the vice of drinking a mention of which was made by hon. Shri and consequently to other vices as well. In Harish Rawat. We have seen such Nehru a sense, liquor is the root cause of many Yuvak clubs, whenever we went to the vil- vices. I would like to tell the Government that lages. When we visited the villages during the b411 has been brought at an appropriate elections, we were told by the villagers that time. In recent years, the prices of all other these kendras/clubs had been engaged in things except liquor have gone up. There no club like activities and, in fact, they have has been nofresh taxation on liquor. Had the been. working for a particular person and Central Government been imbued with a party. Thenore, these clubs have not done sense of responsibility toward the village anything concrete in moulding the outlook of and will to effect a peacef ul transformation of youths and in educating and humanizing social system, it would have surely taken them despite all the expenditure incurred on such measures. But no such initiatives were their establishment. they simply carried the taken. In my view, youths can be induced to flags of a particular party on their shoulders participate in nation-building only ~ a charge and indulged in propaganda for a political is effected in entire social-system by taking party. They were told to resort to booth the youths in confidence. The youths have a capturing ij the party comes to power. There- major role in education, development, agri- fore, we have to think about their mode of culture, industry and many other occupa· functioning. The bill brought by the han. tions and means of production. But no one member has various clauses and he has has taken care of their ownership in such expressed his views on many of them. I would areas. Today, the entire power ~ well as like to bill to be referred to a select committee wealth Is concentrated in the hands of cho- for consideration. Besides, the bill should be sen few. You can see that no elections for publicised in order to elicit public opinion on Panchayat bodies have been held in the past it. 12 years. This had brewed rebellious feelings in the villages against thQse who run the SHRf RAOHA MOHAN SINGH (Mo- Panchayats. The youth had Q vital role in the tihari): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, , rise to installation of the Janata Dal. Government support this bill. I would like to draw the and making the previous rulers s~ in the attention of the han. Minister to the fact that Opposition. Therfors the bill brought by hQn. this bill incorporates the same concept and Hannan Mollah should act as an eye-opener feelings which were expressed by the Han. for us. We have not only to pass the bill of Prime Minster and the labour Minster on 'Right to work', but also to root out the social 21 st January. 1990 in the conference of the evils stemming from our social system by youth organisations of the parties which 531 Youth Bill APRIL 26, 1990 Resignation by Member ~.;.2 by Shri Hannan Mollah [Sh. Radha Mohan Singh] organisation worked as election incharge of a top leader of a particular political party. constituted the National Front Government. Therefore, I feel that uniform policy and The country needs a comprehensive youth legislation should be evolved for the youths policy as there is no legislation regarding in the country so that they are not misused by youths despite the fact that we have a Min- anyone in future. ./_ istryforthe youth. The condition of the youths after 43 years of independence is before all Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the polnt~ of ustosee. We are still nostalgic of the times raised by the hon. member through this bill when inspired by the great leaders, the youth are valid. For instance, he has raised the beld the banner of Nation in pre-independ- issue of illiteracy. Youths constitute one third ence era and did India proud inside as well of the total illiterates in the country. So far as as outside the country. For example, Viveka- the question of totally unemployed person is, nanda had done India proud in America. But concerned . the situation has changed altogether after independence. You perhaps remember that MA. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Radha Mc sometimes ago, during their visit to North hanji, you can continue when the bill comes Korea, our youth behaved in a manner that up for discussion the next time. It is already we had to hang cur heads in shame. There- six '0' clock now. So, please sit down. fore, India needs a comprehensive youth policy. Therefore, I support the bill as I am of 17.5~-112 hrs. the view that the drivers of nation's wheel from which the youths draw inspiration have RESIGNATION BY MEMBER been responsible for all the problems of youths. If Indian youth are misguided today, [English] it is due to lack of any policy, planning or legislation for them. MA. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There is an announcement to be made. I have to inform Mr. Deputy-Speaker, just now a men- the House that the Speaker has received A tion was made about Nehru Yuvak Kendras today a letter dated 26th April, 199~ ~ and it was said that. when these Kendras Shri Lalu Prasad, an elected Member from were set up, nobody thought that these Chhapra constituency of Bihar resi~ning his centres could be used for political purposes. seat in Lok Sabha. Speaker has accepted ~.ut ..~wing the last elections, it was found his resignation with effect from today i.e. that (h~y' were used for political purposes. 26th April, 1990. These YuvakKendras were ~~tablished for the organisation and' development of rural 18.00 hrs. youth. But during the last elections. the workers of these organisations worked for a The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven particular political party. There are allega- of the Clock on Monday, April 30, 19901 tions that the top most office bearer of this Vaisakha10, 191~ (Saka)

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