1919. CONGRESSIONAL -RECORD-ROUSE. 26711
The Senator from Utah [Mr. SMooT] bas spoken about the The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Illinois [l\1r. S.ABATH] burdens that we must meet. Tlle first thing that we ha'"e ·got to was presiding over this Committee of the Whole ye~terday, but do is to pay our debts, and pay day is coming. When the pay he seems to be absent. The gentleman from Ohio [Mr. GARD] d.ay comes and we have not the money, unless we raise addi will take the chair until the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. tional sums by taxation, we hR\e to that extent discouraged SABATH] comes in. - private industry that mu t have assistance if we are to have any 1\Ir. GARD took the chair. t•elief from the conditions that will prevail in going from a high The CHAIRM.A.i'\T. The Clerk \Vill proceed with the reading war level down to a peace level. 'Ve must get ready for it now, of the bill. and I think it is a good time to begin a curtailment of the ex Mr. STAFFORD. 1\Ir. Chairman, before the Clerk reads I penses and the appropriations that are named in these items. would like to offer an amendment to the preceding paragraph. ,When the river and harbor bill and the public buildings bill The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to returning to the come, with other department bills, they ought to be cut to the preceding paragraph for the purpose of offering an amendment'? 'lowest possible limit in line with this curtailment. There was no objection. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question is on the amend Mr. STAFFORD. Mr. Chairman, I offer the language of tlw ment-of the committee as amended. last proviso stricken out on a point of order, down to the word Mr. THOMAS. I understand that the vote about to be taken "direct," in line 16, with an addition wllich I will ask the C1erk is on section 5. to report. The PRESIDING OFFICER. As amended. The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will report the amendment pro Mr. LODGE. I make the point-of no quorum. posed by the gentleman from Wisconsin. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Secretary will call the roll. The Clerk read as follows: The Secretary called the ro11, and the following Senators an- Amendment offered by Mr. STAFFORD: Page 34, line 10, insert the swered to their names: following: aAua prot1ided, That hereafter, when any machinery, apparatus, imple· :Bankhead Kenyon Nugent Sutherland ments. supplies, or materials which have been heretofore or may here· ::;wan son after be purchased or acquired from appropriations made for the sup ~:fff:ram f!nl!~oll e tte ~~f:dexter Thomas port of the United States Military .Academy are no longer needed or are Curtis Lenroot Pollock Townsend no longer serviceable, they may be sold in such manner as the superin· Fletcher Lewis Pomerene 'l'rammell tendent may direct, and that the proceeds shall be turned into tbe Treas France Lodge Sheppard Vardaman ury as miscellaneous receipts." Frelinghuysen McKellar ~herman Wadsworth Gay McNary Simmons Warren Mr. DENT. I have no objection to that amendment. •Henderson Martin, "\'a. Smith, l::l. C. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the adoption of the J ohnsop_, l::l. Dak. Moses Smoot Jones, N.Mex. Nelson Spencer amendment proposed by the gentleman from Wisconsin. Mr. KING. I 'vish to announce that the Senator from North The amendment was agreed to. · .Carolina [Mr. OVERMAN], the Senator from South Dakota [Mr. Mr. DENT. l\Ir. Chairman, I have two amendments to correct STERLING] and the Senator from Delaware [Mr. WoLCOTT] are the text of the bill. ; detained on official business. . - The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Alabama offers an 'l'he PRESIDING OFFICER. Forty-one Senators have an amendment, which tl1e Clerk will report. swered to their names. There is no quorum present. The Sec- The Clerk read as follows : Amendment offered by Mr. DENT : :Page 32, line 25, after the word retary will call the roll of abs(!ntees. _ "uses," strike out the colon, insert a semicolon, and ·add the following: The Secretary called the names of the absent Senators, and "that the Secretary of War is hereby directed to transfer without charge ~Mr. KrnBY and Mr. SHAFROTH answered to their names when one 10-ton, 3-wheel road roller to the quartermaster of the United States called. Military Academy." The PRESIDING OFFICER. Forty-three Senators have an l\ir. l\IANN. This is a new paragraph, I take it? swered to their names. There is not a quorum. l\Ir. DENT. This is a new paragraph: _ Mr. BANKHEAD. It is perfectly evident that it would be l\lr. 1\fANN. Before that amenclmcnt is presented I move to difficult to secure a quorum to-night, and I mo"\e that the Senate strike out the last word of the pre c: et~ ing paragraph, for the pur· take a recess until 11 o'clock to-morrow. pose of asking whether we have corrected the reference to House · 1\fr. POMERENE. I shall object to taking a recess. There is bill numbered 11185. morning business that I thillk should be attended to, and there l\lr. DENT. That is at the bottom of page 33. The amend lis not a quorum here, so that a recess can not be taken. ment now offered is at the bottom of page 32. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Nothing is in order except a Mr. MANN. Very \Tell. That is an amendment to this .pend motion to direct the Sergeant at Arms to request the attendance ing paragraph? of absent Senators or a motion to adjourn. Mr. DENT. Yes; and then I haYe another amendment to cor- 1\fr. BANKHEAD. I mo"\e that the Senate adjourn until 11 rect the language at the bottom of page 33. . o'clock to-morrow. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered Tlle PRESIDING OFFICER. In the absence of a quorum, by the gentleman from Alabama, which has been read by .the only an adjournment to the usual hour of meeting can be taken, Clerk. tl1e Chair will state to the Senator from Alabama. The amendment was agreed to. M.r. BANKHEAD. Then I move that the Senate adjourn. Mr. DENT. Now, 1\fr. Chairman, I offer the other amendment. The motion was agreed to; and (at 5 o'clock and 1G minutes The CHAIRMAN. A further amendment is offered by the p. m.) the Senate adjourned until to-morrow, 'V ednesday, Feb gentleman from Alabama, chairman of the Military Affairs Com ruary 5, 1919, at 12 o'clock meridian. mittee, which the Clerk will report. The Clerk read as follows : Amendment offered by Mr. DENT: Page 33, line 25, after the word " in," strike out " House bill No. 11185 " and insert in lieu thereot HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. ~ 9tf3... act for the support of the Military Academy appro>ed June 27, TUESDAY, February 4, 1919. Mr. STAFFORD. Mr. Chairman, since this item was under consideration yesterday I have taken occasion to inquire The House met at 11 o'clock a. m. whether the appropriations as carried in last year's bill for The Chaplain, Rev. Henry N. Couden, D. D., offered the fol these respective amounts for construction have lapsed. I am lowing prayer : informed-and it confirms the position taken by the gentleman Almighty and most merciful God, our Hea,enly Father, look f.rom illinois [l\fr. l\l.A.N~]-that when we appropriate money for d0\\!1 with compassion upon us, forgive our shortcomings, our public buildings the amount appropriated remains available until :weaknesses, our sins, and impart unto us wisdom, strength, it is expended. The co\ering-in act of 1874 does not apply to grace, that ~hatsoever we do, here, now, and always, may he public buildings, lighthouses, riYer and harbor improvements, in consonance with the eternal fitness of things; and Thine be pay of naval officers and the Marine Corps, and one other class, the prai e, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. which I fail to recall at this moment. There is no question The Journal of the proceedings of yesterday was reau anu ap- whatsoever tlmt the authorization of last year is available and prov~. - will continue available until Congress rescinds it. MILIT~RY .A.CA.DE:MY A.PPROPRI~TIONS. 1\Ir. DENT. If that is true there is no necessity to carry it On motion of l\1r. DENT, the House resolved itself into the in ·this bill, but I would like to make some further investigation. Committee of the 'Vhole House on the state of the Union for It can not possibly flo any harm. the further consideration of the bill (H. R. 154<32) making :Mr. STAFFORD. This is mere surplusage. nppropriations for the support of the 1\Iilitary A<'a Mr. KAHN. 1\Ir. Clulirman, I think this appronriation stands The CHAIR1\IAN. The Chair s1u ta.ln the point of order. in . ·omewhat d.in'erent relation. hip to the rule than the ordinary The Clerk read as follows : public building bill, bccau ellllcler the pro\i o orr page 34, line 2, Tlle Secretary of War is he~eby :mtbor~zeu to ullow any co1·poration, it is- · · · · company, or individual to erect on the United tates Military Academy Providea, That fo-.: the pm·pose of accounting on(y, all funds bel'ein re ervation at We t Point, N. Y .. a hotel, in accordance with plans and bcfore appropri:l.ted under tbe ·title: "Current and ordinary expen es," specificatjons to be approved Lly the Superintendent of the-United St. tes ·• 1\fiscellane.ous items and incidental expense~.'"' and ·" _building and Militn.ry Academy and to enjoy the revenue therefrom for a period of ~rounds "' !>hall be disbur ed and accounted for by tbe disbursing officer, 50 years, after which time saW hotel shall become tho property of th United l::itates; tbat said. hotel shall be conducted nude-r such reguln. United States Military Academy, a "Maintenance, United State Mill· tioll$, including the rates and the charge for accommodations tbert'at, -tary Academy," 3lld for the purpo e hnll constitute one fund. - ns may be promulgated by tbe Superintendent of the United State Now, I rath-er think that there iB a different condition ·with Militnry Ac.'tdemy under th~ direction of the Secretary of War: Pro- resp ct to the building at West Point, because that fund is 'Virlctl, That in view of tho long and distinguished service of Col. S. E. Tillman, he having had 46 years' service before retire.m:tmt, 31 of wb.ich , added to by these other item , und they all constitute one fund. were as head of an important department of in tructlon at tbe United 1\fr. STAFFORD. If the gentleman will peTmi~ the proviso States l\lilitary Academy at West Point, N. Y., besides otber unus-ual which the gentlemnn has· just read relates to a chnnge in the distinguished ·ervice. and having been rec-alled to active service iu June, 1917, at the age of 6!J, to take charge of the l\-Illit ry Academy a,.t West method of accounting. It has no reference to the validity of Point, N. Y., wh re he is still serving1 the Pre ident is hereby authorized authorization for con truction purposes c~ried in the last to place that officer on the retired list of the Army as a brigadier gen Military Academy appropriation act. There is no question but eral, with the pay and emoluments of a retire(] officer of that grade. and that the covering-in act which specifically excepted public build to grant bim n. commission in accordance with such advanced rank. ings, river and harbor improvement, pay for the Navy and Ma 1\lr. STAFFORD. 1\lr. Chairman, I mal>:e a point of m·der on l'ine Corps, and lighthouses, does not apply to the building the paragraph. project as authorized in the last year's bill. 1\Ir. KAHN. Will not the gentl man rc rve h i point of Mr. DENT. "Grading and granolithic pavement' -that is order? not a part of the· building program.· 1\lr. STAFFORD. I will reserve the point of or . Mr. KAHN. ·I do not think that is t1eces ary. Of course, I 1\fr. DENT. Yes. · the Secretary of ·war or the· Superintendent of the Academy l\lL·. G HEE~E of Vermont. Anc.l the very oppos ite ft~om a :would be authorized under the bill to negotiate for the construe- business proposition or a commercial speculation is involved in tion of a hotel, and doubtless he \\Ould take into consideration this proposition. It is more in the shape of a memorial to the the matter of its location also. · past cadets, erected by some of their families and friends, and, The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Cali- \Yhile it is to be a practical thing, yet it will be run with senti.- fornia bas expired. mental o...-ercast, at least, that will take it altogether out of a Mr. GRAHAM of Illinois. :Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous money proposition or any speculation on the part of the 11eople consent that he be permitted to proceed for one minute more. who propo. e it. · The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? ~[r. DEXT. Absolutely so. There was no objection. Mr. M..U\"N. Will the gentleman yield for a question? 1\lr. GRAHAM of Illinois. Who ow·ns the pre ·ent hotel? ~\fr . DE:!\...,..r. I will. · l\lr. KAHN. The United States Go...-ernment. Mr. MA~TN. 1\Iy attention il'; calle hotel should be maintained n.nd operated? Now, a mn.n might The bill wa · ordered to ·be -engro ed ana ~end n f:thlrd me, -€r ct ·n vei:Y flimsy structure, even if he followed the plans of was read the third time, -nncl _pas' ed. · omebody·else,:.and if itilid -not do--well ·he rmight ·let.it run ·down On :motion of Mr. ·:DE-"T, 1l 'motion .to r on ider tile Tote by ·'So that n.tiibe end of the 50-'S'enri>eriod 't wottld be ·so dilapidated which the bill was·pnssed was laid ·on the tnbl . it will not .have :-any -value. · LEA.\E OF ADSENCE. 1\lr. 'DENT. I call the gentleman's .attention to tlus . Para~ graph, -whieh ·reads n.s follows : Mr. no E, by unanimous consent, ·was granteu 'leave of ao~ sence for three day on accotmt of important bu ines ·. 'That rnid botel shall be conducted ·unuer such regulations, including the rates and the charges for accommodation thereat, a may be -promnl- , THE NAVY. gated by the Superintendent of the United States l\lllitary Academy l\Ir. PADGETT. l\Ir. Speaker, l lmove that the iHou ere olve under the direction of the Secretary of War. itself into the Conunittee of the 'Vhole House on :the state Df the I think that gives absolute authority. 1 Union for the consideration of the bill H . .R. ~5539, the JlflNal • Mr. LITTLE. Perhaps it uoes, ·but it · eem to me if the · appropriation bill, and ·pendin·g- hat :I .. would like to ask the ,bill sim.PlY stated that he should not only erect but maintain t gentleman from Pennsylvania ·Ll\fr. BliTLER] .as to what-may be and oJ)erate it we would have hlm tied up so that there :would agreed upon for general debate. not be any room for :m_y other construction. I just offer the Mr. BUTLER. Mr. Speaker, since a conver ·ation .with tile :SUggestion. gentleman from Tennessee concerning the length of ,general 1\fr. tDENT. I trunk ·that clause takes care ·Of it. l\lr. Chair- debate, I ·will say that I ·have requests here tha:t will cover -six man, in view-- hours, and .gentlemen are asking now, as the chairman will sec, The CHAIRMAN. Does the gentleman from Kansas with- for more time. While I desire to Ila ten the consideration -of: draw .his _pro forma amendment:? . . the bill as mucil as possible, if agreeable to the gentleman I Mr. LITTLE. I withdraw the 11ro forma amendment. ·suggest to .him we ftllow the general debate to go along without 1\Ir. DILLON. Mr. Chairman, I would like to make-an inquiry fixing any limit urwn it now. We can consult later in regard to ,of the gentleman from Illinoi [Mr. MANN]. :Would his amend- limiting ·the time. .ment_permit·the:Secretary of War to. accept this building.project Mr. PADGETT. In view of the statement that the gentleman before it was completed? .has requests ior six hours of time, I tbink we had be •t r_po tponc Mr. MANN. Well, •it might. agreeing to time for debate for the _present. Mr~ DILLON. Suppo ·e irresponsible parties were in control Mr. MANN. Tile demands are sure ·to increa e. of the project and might throw it up, could the Secretary go in · 1\Ir. BUTLER. .A gentleman just now ash.~d me for time that and accept it and compel the Gov~ent to go 'Dn 11nd ·complete ' ·certainly will cover 40 or '50 minutes additional. We c:a.n -not .that -expensive building? fix the time now. I :ha-ve no other remedy to suggest than that Mr. MANN. It would not compel the Government to complete we may go ahead with the discussion •of this 'bill, and -perhaps it. However, I apprehend·the gentleman will not make·any mis- this evening or to-m01-row morning we can ·agree on .a :limit of take about that, .that ·if somebody .starts to ·build a '$400,000 time for general debate. I am very much inclined to gi-ve gen· ·building and spends ~00,000 and breaks up and if there was no tlemen an opportunity to speak-on .this bill. .safe bond Tequiring ·tlle .completion of the hotel it would not Mr. PADGETT. Then, just for the present, I move that the stand there that way :forever and maybe ithe Government would House resolve itself into Committee of the Whole House 10ll the .have to ·complete Jt. ~ state of the Union for the consideration of the bill H. R. 15539, Mr. DILLON. ·n is pretty easy to unload on the Govern- and ;will .ask that I may control one hnlf of the time and the ment-- · · gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. BuTLER] the other .half.; Mr. MANN. I assume the Secretary would i'equire a :proper · and we will not fix a limit for the present. bond. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Tenne ee asks that Mr. DILLON. It is pretty easy to obtain :the consent of the · he control half of the time and the gentleman .from .Pennsyl .Secreta1'Y of War in these immense ·enterprises and :cast 'the , vania the other half. Is there objection? [After a pau e.J .burden upon the ·Government. I only am dil:ecting my thought . The Chair hears none. to the pointAs to whether it is wise to put in'thls.amendment. The question is on going into the Committee .of the Whole Mr. MANN. it certainly •would be better that the Secretary of f House on the state of the Union for· the consideration of the War should have the right to take the ownership of ·an :uneom- naval appropriation bill. pleted hotel than ·:to leave it there while belonging ~to somebody The motion was agreed to. ·· else. I do ·no.t tliink there are a~y two Sides to 'that. Accordingly the House resolved itself into .the Committee ·of .Mr. DENT. I would suggest to the gentleman from Illinois the Whole House on the state of the Union for considei·ation '[Mr. ~!AJ."iN] and ask him a question, if it ·would .not be better of the bill H . .R. 15539, with Mr. GAlmETT of Tennes ee in tbe 'for hls amendment to come in after the word "war" on line 6 chair. of page '35? The CH.AlRMAl~. The House is in Committee of ·the Whole 1\-Ir. MA.i'tN. I ;thought of that, but ·it come .jn where the title House on the state of the Union for the consideration of the i l'eferred ·to. · bill H. R. 1G539, .whlch the :Olerk will report. l\1r. DENT. Then tile suosequent paragraph ought to be an : The Clerk read as follows: aclditional proviso. - _A blll 1(H, Ji. luu3!>) .making appropriations fo1· the naval service .ror J.\11:. MANN. It doe .not .have to bC'. It ·has a period, and it . the fiscal year ending June 30, 1920, and for other purpose . • commences ·with a new entence. Mr. PADGETT. 1\lr. Chairman, .I ask :unanimous co11.·ent The !. 'mrre the hea1·ings were progressing the committee furnished 1\lr. PADGETT. Well, sir, that is a matter that is very mucil to the Secretary of the Navy, as each healing was had, copies disputed. Officers in the Bureau of Navigation insist that it ~f the stenographic report of the hearings, so that he could will not afford a sufficient number to give the compl€ments on keep advised as they progressed and be the better p1·epared the ships which they insist there should be. But the commit ,when he came before the committee to submit his recommenda tee considered all of the sulToundings and circumstances and tions upon a review of the entire situation. the fact that we would be in peace time, feeling that the com Mr. LITTLE. Mr. Chairman, w1ll the gentleman yield? plements upon the ships should not be so large as they were : Mr. PADGETT. Yes. · during war time. We feel that the 225,000 will take care of i. 1.\11'. LITTLE. Can the chairman give to the House in the the real needs of the personnel. But I will say to gentlemen course of the day the number of men we have in the training that. a number of officers strongly controveTt that position. camps, the training schools, the Naval Reserves, and those who Mr. FOSS. What does the Navy Department propose to keep are enlisted in the Regular Navy'l Would that be possible? in commission? Mr. PADGETT. Yes; it is set out in the hearings, and I "\\"ill l\ir. PADGETT. In the hearing of the Secretary of the Navy ~all attention to the personnel as I go along. he sets it out. He proposes to keep in full commission all of Mr. LITTLE. I think the House would appreciate it if it ls the ships from the beginning of the dreadnaught class. That ;not too much trouble. would be the .Michigan und the South Carolina and all the ships Mr. PADGETT. I shall be glad to do it. subsequent to those. I believe they embrace 16 such ships at ' The estimates, as revised by the Secretary, aggregate $975,· the present time. Another one is about being put in commis !>03,621.28. lJpon consideration of all the hearings, taking up sion-the Idaho--and two others during the fiscal year, making item after item, the committee made large reductions, and the 19 of that type. Then there will be others that will be kept in aggregate reported by the committee is $746,457,440.33, making a reserve commission. Then he proposes to keep a considerable a reduction by the committee of the estimates submitted by number of destroyers in commission. the Secretary of the Navy upon his re-vised estimates of Mr. FOSS. We have a large number of those, have we not? $229,446,180.95. Mr. PADGETT. Yes; 342, as I remember, will be the number · The total a·ppropriations for the Naval Establishment for the of destroyers, but all of those will not be kept in full commis "fiscal year 1919 aggregated $1,685,379,553.82. The amount recom sion. mended for the fiscal year 1920, for which this bill is pro l\Ir. FOSS. And of the submarines we have a large number, ;viding, reduces the amount appropriated for the cuiTent fiscal have we not. year by $938,922,113.49. :M.r. PADGETT. Y€s; but not all of those wili be kept in full 1 I wish to state that it was the policy and the purpose of the commission. committee to 1~educe ·and to make appropriations for the lowest Mr. ·FOSS. And we have a large .numbel! of submarine chas amount. compatible with an efficient administration of the naval ers. Is it proposed to keep them in commis~ion? service. If the corhmittee made any mistake, it was, in my .l\!r. PADGETT. Not all of them. They are proposing, as I. judgment, in making severe reductions of estimates. However, understand, to sell some of those, and those chasers and the committee in going over these estimates reduced them, as Eagle boats are to take the place of the gunboats in the serv·ice I ha-ve stated, very largely and very substantially, making a in shallow waters and in the river service and in the Orient reduction of $1,9!)8,000,000 under .the original estimates sub and in South and Central America. And I will state that there mitted through lhe Treasury Department, and $938,000,000 under were ordered about 112 of the Eagle boats. The Secretary can .the appropriations for the current year, and $229,000,000 under celed the contracts down to 60 . the revised esti.n:;:ate of the Secretary of the Navy. l\Ir. FOSS. How many of these Eagle boats· have already; The committee pursued a policy also which I think it is nec gone into commission? Those are the Ford boats? essary and proper that I should call to the attention of the Mr. PADGETT. Yes. I believe it was either five or seven~ Committee of the ·Whole House on the state of the Union. On I believe it was five that were put up. Shore stations we reduced the appropriations to the very mini Mr. FOSS. Does the gentleman feel, taking into considera mum, allowing only for those items which we felt were abso tion all of these vessels that he has referred to, that he has lutely necessary to the operations of the stations during the made ample provision for manning them in recommending ·fiscal year. The committe declined to report any purchase of 225,000 men'? land, any new projects or extensive enlargements, feeling that Mr. P .A.DGETT. Instead of using the word " ample" I will the appropriations that had been made during the current year use the word "economical." We have made economical provt~ and the preceding fiscal year were so large that the shore sta sion for them. _ tions could well afford to wait until conditions were adjusted Mr. FOSS. Although at the present time the Navy has ovet• more to a peace basis and the Congress could see what the exact 400,000 men, the gentleman says. stah1s was, and what were the precise and urgent needs. . Mr. PADGET-T. Four hundred and ninety-seven thousand on: The estimates for the personnel are based upon an aggregate the 11th of November, but a large number of those have been of enlisted personnel for the Navy of 225,000. Of that number discharged. .under existing law 131,485 is the established permanent per Mr. IGOE. How many have been discharged? sonnel, and in addition 6,000 apprentice seamen, 350 for the Mr. PADGETT. The number varies from day to day, but I Flying Corps and 5,720, as I remember, for the Hospital Corps, think more than 100,000 have been discharged. making in rotmd numbers 143,000 in the permanent Naval Estab Mr. BUTLER. The Secretary of the Navy has ordered the lishment. The difference of 82,000 was regarded by the com discharge of more than 40 per cent. . mittee as being necessary for the operation of the Army trans Mr. PADGETT. Yes; but they have not all been discharged. port troop ships and the ships furnished by the Sl1ipping Board Mr. BUTLER. The orde1· is out to discharge more than 40 and operated by the Navy. A number of German ships, 20, as per cent-nearly 50 per cent, according to my recollection. I understand, were recently turned over to this Government for Mr. IGOEJ. That was 40 per cent of the reserve, was it not? 'commercial purposes, to be manned and operated by the Navy. Mr. PADGETT. Yes. iW e inserted, however, a provision that as the number used in Mr. IGOE. Will the chairman of the committee explain that? transport and Shipping Board service is reduced below the l\1r. PADGETT. The reserves are not discharged. They are 82,000, that number shall be discharged from the service and placed upon inactive duty, which is the same as a discharge. To the enlisted personnel to the extent of that difference reduced, gl,'ant a discharge to the reserve would be to disintegrate and so that as the requirements for the operation of the troop destroy the reserve. The reserve is essentially a peace organiza• service and the Shipping Board ships reduces automatically, the tion. It is an organization composed of men distributed through number of men in the Navy will be reduced out of this tem civil life, engaged in civilian occupations in time of peace, but porary increase that is provided. to whom the department haye a string, so that they can call · The gentleman from Kansas [Mr. LITTr.E] asked a moment these men into the service in time of war or in time of national ago about the personnel. As I remember, on the 11th day of emergency proclaimed by the President under authority of law. November, the day when the armistice was signed. the total Now, if you were to discharge those men, you would disrupt number of enlisted personnel in the Navy was 497,030, so that and disintegrate the reser\e force. When they were called into it "·ill appear that in the pro-visions made in this bill it is re active service during the war they received the same pay as duced more than half. the regular Navy and became a part of it. But when the war Mr. FOSS. Mr. Chairman, \Vill the gentleman yield right is over, when the President puts them back, they go back to there? . their peace basis, like they were before the war. They are Mr. PADGETT. Yes. enrolled, and they recei\e the pay of $12 a .year, cAlled their 1\lr. li'OSS. 1· wanted to ask tVhether or not this personnel retainer pay. Then they are required to drill two months out of o:f: 225,000 ~·HI provide sufficient men for all the ships that will three yeats in order to keep in touch and in practice on a ship; be in commission? so that the Navy has this resene that is available, that it can ·2676 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 4, call without having the expense of maintaining so large a force gentleman that I think Congress will have a big problem on its in active service when they are not needed. . hands to determine that policy. Mr. HAnDY. Is that $12 a year all that the men in the Naval Mr. SNELL. Will the gentleman yield for a question? Reserve receive? Mr. PADGETT. Yes. Mr. PADGETT. That is all they receive, except that they Mr. SNELL. Will the gentleman tell me how many men there get full pay during the two months that they are in active are at the Great Lakes Naval Station at the present time? ervice in time of peace. In time of war they get the same pay Mr. PADGETT. About 25,000. as other men of their ratings in the Regular Navy. Mr. SNELL. What is going to be done with these young men? l\Ir. HARDY. They are paid for the drilling time? 1\fr. PADGETT. They are discharging theq1 as rapidly as l\fr. PADGETT. Yes. They get the pay of their regular they can; but let me call the gentleman's attention to the differ· rating. ence between the situation in the Navy and that- in the Army Mr. McKENZIE. While we are on the question of personnel, with reference to discharging the men. The Army has nothing I want to ask the chairman of the committee one question. except its personnel. It has no ships, it has no boats, or any. Mr. PADGETT. I yield to the gentleman from Illinois. thing of that kind. They can discharge a whole unit, a regi· Mr. McKENZIE. Of course, we understand that this appro ment, and that is what they do. We can not discharge a whole priation is a peace-time appropriation. That is, it will take complement of the ship and leave it stripped and bare. It takes care of the Navy from July next until July, 1920. a certain number of men to operate the ships. Mr. PADGETT. That is what it is purposed to do. Mr. SNELL. But these men of the Great Lakes are not con· l\1r. McKENZIE. If I understood the chairman of the com nected with any special department. mittee, in discussing the question of personnel, he said that a 1\Ir. PADGETT. No; but they are men sent there, being certain number of the men in this personnel would be used to trained. man the transports, including those taken over from the Ger ·Mr. Sl\TELL. They are not attached to any ship. man Government. What I The man over him declares that he can not dispense with his Mr. PADGETT. They can not ten you;· they are complain services to the Governnient at this time. ·would the gentleman ing to us. I talked to Capt. Taussig two days ago, and l1e regard that as being so important that the boy should remain told me they were letting them out so fast that they were right in the service and not be discharged? down to the danger point as to how they would get men· to Mr. SNELL. That is practically the same thing that a young operate the ships. man wrote me, only he said he was not doing anything. · !1r. SNELlf.' A lot of these young men at the present time 1\lr. PADGETT. I should think that in the .case mentioned are not doing anything. by the gentleman from Missouri, the boy could be dispensed l\Ir. PADGETT. They are in the training schools, and some with, but I can not pass on all the details or the exigencies of of those men may be sent to the ships for a while until they the service at the particular time. I found this condition, gen can be replaced with permanent men. tlemen, and I think all of you will verify it. There is more Mr. SNELL. Are there not a lot of these young men at the anxiety now about the boys and we are getting more letters present time who hm·e stopped training since the armistice was now than we did while the war ,,as going on and wllile it was signed? · in active operation. Mr. PADGETT. No. Mr. DOWELL. Is there not a good reason for that, when Mr. GREEN of Iowa. Oh, the gentleman is mistaken about they know that there is no need of their being .any longer in that. the service? Mr. P_illGETT. I think tlle men in the schools are all being Mr. PADGE~rT. If the gentleman will wait a moment, that trained. might apply with a broader significance to the Army than the Mr. GREEN of Iowa. No. Navy. We have got these men on the ships and we can not Mr. SNELL. I have letters saying that they are not doing the abandon the ships. We have got to hold the men on there until work they did formerly. an organization is brought down to where they can be cared Mr. PADGETT. I can not answer that. for. Every fellow thinks that he is an individual, but when Mr. SNELL. I would like to get that information. you think that these individuals from all over the country are Mr. PADGETT. My understanding is that they are still ' making the same claim, the same argument, and thousands and carrying on the training of these men in the schools. thousands of them are coming in, you will appreciate the situa l\lr. SNELL. I had a letter fl"Om a young man at Pelham tion. It was stated to the committee, I think, that 50 per cent Bay the other day, and he said that he was absolutely doing of the entire personnel were insisting on getting out at once. nothing, and had not been doing anything for six or eight week . Mr. IGOE. 'Vhat is the personnel? I think we all want to That is the general information that I get from many places. It have the transports and ships commanded prope_rly to bring the seems to me that there might be some machinery manufactured boys back, because we are all pleading for them to be returned. somewhere, so as to get that sort of people out. \Ve have got to admit that the ·Navy must be manned to bring Mr. PADGETT. They -at·e now turning them out by· the them IJack, but what is the total number of men which the Navy thousands, and as to whether the gentleman's particular young needs for their service at this time and what is the total num man gets out-- ber we have in the service? ;Mr. SNELL. I am not interested in any particular young Mr. PADGETT. As I stated a little while ago, on the lith man, but all of these young men who are not doing anything at of November the Navy had 497,000 men. The Chief of the the present time at these naYal stations. Bureau of Navigation insists that he could not get along now l\Ir. KELLEY of Michigan. -Mr. Chairman, it might help tbe with less than 350,000 men. gentleman from New York to know that after the 1st of July Mr. IGOE. What are these 350,000 needed for? Does that only 225,000 men can be kept in the Navy. include troop ships, which the gentleman spoke of as having 1\fr. SJ\TELL. Then we are sure of getting them out by the been taken over? 1st of July? Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. Down to 225,000, and if your Mr. PADGETT. Troop ships, transports, and Navy ships, young man happened to be among the 225,000 who are needed-- and all the ships we have in operation. There are something 1\fr. GREEN of Iowa. Is the gentleman positive abont that? like 2,000 ships all told with the Navy to-day in operation. We l\lr. KELLEY of Michigan. We do not appropriate nny can not abandon them all at once. money beyond that, and I iinagine that will govern. Mr. SNELL. My speci.al inquiry is directed in respect to the men who have ne\er been assigned to ships and ne\er expect 11Ir. SNOOK. When a young man is in the Navy or tbe Naval Reserve and wants to get out and files an application it to be. is referred to his immediate commanding ofiker for recom Mr. GREEN of Iowa. And never will be. mendation. Is that right? Mr. SNELL. And never will be. I appreciate the fact that 1\Ir. PADGETT. That is right. the ones assigned to ships you have need for nnd that they must Mr. SNOOK. In my experience I find that some of tbe e be retained in the service. commanding officers are very diligent and take up these appli Mr. PADGETT. And the gentleman must remember that cations and go over them and recommend that a .certain per with 350,000 men needed for the ships, there is a large number of centage of the men on the boats who are 1.mder their command men who are sick, there is a large number of men whose term be discharged. Other commanding officers entirely ignore these is expired by limitation, who have the right to go out, .and you applications and pay no attention to them whatever and dis have got to have replacements. These replacements come from charge nobody. Ought not some way to be provided where these schools, these training places, and the navigation officers a young man has a good case, like some of these cases Uta t must look forward to what are on the ships, what is required, have been spoken of here, where his parents are dying, or what is coming off-men who are sick, men whose terms are where he has a family dependent upon him, in case the com expired, men who al'e debilitated. There must be a reserve in manding_ officers ignore the applications, so that he could ap.. 1 these schools for replacements. peal to a board, where he could have the matter retried? l Mr. SNELL. You would have that reserve among the young Mr. PADGETT. I have understood that the Secretary has men who intend to remain permanently in the Navy, but as to given orders that in an cases where they had cleclined to grant these 40 or 50 per cent that are going to be discharged some time, the application, the papers, with the applications, should be for~ who are never going to remain, who are not training themselves warded to th~ department here for consideration and review. 1 especially at this time, I can not understand why we can not get Where they were granted, that is the .end of it and there was that complement out. no necessity for forwarding them. . 1 Mr. PADGETT. But-the gentleman must remember that on Mr. SNOOK. Yes, but I have had considet·able experience the Shi{>S-- with the department here. When you take up a case with the Mr. SNELL. But these are oot on the ships; these are at department here in Washington they say they do not have · the stations. anything to do with it, it is the commanding officer that must Mr. PADGETT. On the ships there are thousands of men pass upon the application. They will say that they will recom- ' who have reasons to get out that are more urgent than the mend him to discharge the boy if he thinks it is consistent with young men who are in the schools. the service, or this, that, or the other. I Mr. SNELL. But the commandant says that they are going I know of cases where the commanding officer entirely ignore Mr. SNOOK. I have had occasion to ta~ to the gentleman Mr. PADGETT. I think not. to whom the gentleman refers, Capt. Taussig, a very fine man, Mr. MILLER of Washington. Probably so. and he gives n great deal of information; but after all, when Mr. PADGETT. I think if he should state that he had made :vou .talk to tlw Bureau of Navigation about it, they say it is up his application and that his application had not been considered to the commnding officer; and if the boy has a meritorious case I do not believe that he would receive any penalty or be pun and his commanding officer refuses to pass on it, there seems ished. to be no way to get around it at all, and there ought to be some Mr. HARDY. Does the gentleman think the beau of the Navy board to which the boy could present his case. Department should sit down on any attempt to discipline that :Mr. STEENERSON. Wlll the gentleman yield? ·young man? Mr. PADGETT. I will. Mr. P ADGE1.'T. l do not think he would be disciplined, sir. .Mr. STEENERSON. I have been much instructed by the I will reserve the balance of my time. . discu sion in regard to the release of men from the .Navy. I Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, before the gen woul l\Ir. SAUNDERS of Virginia. I understand. But I was them were put up, I think, as high as about $650,000,000. Per- trying to ascertain to what extent the committee used its own sonally, I do not think it would be that much. . . judgment in overriding the judgment of these bureau chiefs. Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. You mean, without adding a I noticed the Secretary of the Navy reduced his recommen ship under any 'new authorizations in this bill, when aU the out dations fdr so-called prepai·edness, which came from the heads standing authorizations are completed, and the ships are manned~ mentioned, down to $975,000,000. Now, in what direction and the annual maintenance and operation charge of that fleet, so in what details did the Secretary of the Navy reduce the recom composed, would be from $600,000,000, to $650,000,000? · · mendation of these bureau chiefs? Mr. PADGETT. There were some estimates of that kind; Mr. PADGETT. The Secretary took up the various items and yes, sir. · · then insisted that they could get along on less appropriation. Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. I notice here that you have And if you look on page 901, I believe it is, of the hearings you another building program. will find a parallel, itemized statement, where in one column Mr. PADGETT. Yes. is the title of the appropriation. In the first column after that Mr. _SAUNDERS of Vi_rginia. On page 3. What is the aggre:. is the original estimate ; in the next column is the amount that· gate cost,· so far as t11c committee can now figure it, of that pro the Secretary has recommended, and in the last column the gram? Of course, we understand that the actual figures in the amount that was proposed by the bureau chiefs, parallel-with result always run far ahead of the provisional estimates; but so each other, showing every item which he had reduced, and his far as the committee can figUre out, what will be the cost of the recommendations. building program on page 3? Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. Then the committee differed Mr. PADGETT. Based on the present cost of ships, the with the recommendations, first, of tbe chiefs and then with the present cost of labor- and material, which is a very high charge, Secretary of the Navy, by reducing the bill down to $746,000,000? it is estimated that the battleships will cost $32,400,000 each: Mr. PADGETT. Yes, sir. Out of the great desire of the com Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. That would be $324,000,000 mittee to reduce appropriations to the very lowest limit that for the 10 battleships? they thought would be consistent with the operation, and curtail Mr. PADGETT. Yes; and the scout cruisers will cost about ing all enlargements and extensions. $8,800,000 each. That would be $88,000,000. · Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. And the committee reported Mr. HARDY. Does that estimate include the equipment of what, in its judgment, is adequate defense, a.nd they considered the ships also? they could eliminate $900,000,000 of what these heads thought Mr. PAPGFJTT. Yes. I am speaking of them complete; and was adequate defense and at the same time still preserve our those appropriations would be distributed over about seven adequate defense? years. Mr. PADGETT. Two hundred and twenty-nine millions. Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. That provision contemplates·, Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. I thought you were making a then, a new building program, an additional and supplemental reduction here of $938,000,000? program, one that will cost, according to the best figures you Mr. PADGETT. That is out of the appropriations for the can now make, about $412,000,000? current year. Mr. PADGETT. Yes, sir. I will state to the gentleman that Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. I am calling attention to them. the opinion was expressed to the committee that there would Mr. PADGETT. But the current year's appropriations were be. a reduction· in the cost of materials and of labor under this made on a war basis. program before it was completed, which would be distributed Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. As to the $200,000,000 you over six or seven years--or six years anyway-and as to speak of, is there a difference between the report of the commit whether or not that is correct, you can guess as well as I can. tee and the report of the Secretary of the Navy? Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. I have had that hope expressed 1\lr. PADGETT. Yes. And then the $746,000,000 and the heretofore, but never seen it realized, l:O far as my immediate $1,414,000,000 shows the difference between the bureau chiefs experience has gone. and the report of the committee. 1\Ir. PADGETT. I imagine that there will be, as we get back Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. Now, Mr. Chairman, I notice to peace conditions, of necessity a decline in the cost of living that t11e total for the Naval Establishment for the fiscal year and the cost of materials and labor. I believe they must go 1919 you put a.t $1,600,000,000? down to a normal basis, and go down propo1·tlonately. Mr. PADGETT. That is the one I referred to a moment ago. Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. Do the figures you have given Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. It provides fQr that year for me put a ship into condition to go into the line of battle? maintenance and new construction. Mr. PADGETT. Yes, sir. l\Ir. PADGETT. Yes; and so does this one carry maintenance Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. It includes, then, guns and am and new construction also. munition, and is a completed ship? l\Ir. SAUNDERS of Virginia. What do you mean by this one? 1\fr. PADGETT. Yes, sir. Mr. PADGET'".r. This bill. It carries authorization for new 1\fr. MILLER of Washington. 1\-Ir. Chairman, will the gen construction. tleman yield? l\Ir. SAUNDERS of Virginia. I had not reached that point as yet. I wanted to ask as to the appropriation for 1919-the Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. Yes. $1,600,000,000 that is carried for the ma,intenance of the Navy Mr. MILLER of Washington. I notice on page 35 of the hear during that year and for construction during that year. ings that Admiral Earle testified that 112 of these Eagle boats Mr. PADGE'lvr. Yes; and for war operations. are to be completed. l\Ir. SAUNDERS of Virginia. What would be the proportion l\fr. PADGET'.r. No; 112 were ordered. The Secretary can of that $1,600,000,000 that would be for operating expenses, for celed 52, leaving 60 to be completed. maintena,nce, and for construction, as nearly as you can state Mr. MILLER of Washington. Admiral Earle says on page 35 them? that 112 are to be finished. The approximate cost of these 1\fr. PADGETT. If I remember aright the bill, it is set out in boats, as I understand, is in the vicinity of $275,000 each. Is the bill of last year, of July 1. In the present bill, I think, we that correct? · have appropriated for construction about $170,000,000. Mr. PADGETT. No; it is much more than that. The estimate 1\fr. KELLEY of Michigan. My recollection is that last vear was made originally that they could build them for $275,000 the new construction amounted to about $350,000,000. • each, but Admiral Taylor, Chief Constructor, stated to the com 1\lr. PADGETT. It is itemized in the bill last year. mittee that while they hoped to build them for that, they never Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. And there were some from emer expected to build them for that, and they expected them to cost gency sources in addition. much more than that, and if they were built for $400,000 each it 1\fr. PADGE'lvr. The total increase of the Navy in the bill would be a very good job and a very fair price. last year was $184,397,000. That was carried in the regular 1\Ir. MILLER of 'Vashington. That is the Ford l\Iotor Co. bill. Now, there were many, many millions of dollars thatwere contract? ~ppropt:_iated in deficiency bi.1ls for authorizations that ran it up, Mr. PADGETT. Yes, sir. But the company made this sort as s~ggested by the gentleman from Michigan [1\Ir. KELLEY], of a contract: It was on the cost-plus plan ; they were to be paid perhaps to $300,000,000. the cost of construction and $20,000 on each boat as their profit. 1\Ir. SAUNDERS o·f Virginia. I will put the question in this Mr. MILLER of Washington. Now, there are to be 58 of those way: When the construction heretofore authorized shall have completed? 'been completed, so that we will have the present Navy plus Mr. PADGETT. Sixty. the ships authorized, what will be the annual cost of the opera Mr. MILLER oJ Washington. Sixty? tion and maintenance of that Navy? Mr. PADGETT. Yes, sir. 1\Ir. PADGETT. That is a ma tter that the committee made Mr. MILLER of Washington. What ·is the general purpose lnqulry about and L'ml c :~ t;u•atc s :c:bont. It varies. Some of that those boats will be used for when they arc completed? ,2680 CONGRESSIONAL R-ECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 4, . '1 l ------.------~------l ?!Ir. PADGETT. Largely as substitutes for grtnboats in South the minimum cost to maintain the Navy after the completion of and Central American waters, the West Indies,"in the Orient, in 1 the August, 1916, program and a duplication thereof to be China, the river service in shallow waters, and services of that $612,250,000 as the minimum and $806,000,000 as the maXimum. kind. - · Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. On the basis, though, of $900,-· Mr. MILLER of Washington. Is it also contemplated that 000,000 for the duplication. they shall take the place of the revenue cutters? Ur. OLIVER of Alabama. Yes ; for a duplication of the 1016 _. Mr. PADGETT. No, sir. The Revenue-Cutter Service in time program, which the admiral bases his estimate on. of peace is under the Treasury. In time of war its vessels are Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. I do not want to have the gentle 'under the Navy. A bill has been introduced, that is pending man from Virginia [l\Ir. SAUl\J>Ens] confused, because this pro before another committee, to transfer permanently to the Navy gram is only for $400,000,000. the old Revenue-Cutter Service, now called the Coast Guard Service. Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. That is interesting. Then, ac Mr. MILLER of Washington. That is what I am after. cording to Admiral McGowan's figures, the minimum cost in the l\Ir. PADGETT. But that is pending before another commit situation predicated would be $625,000,000, and the maximum tee and has not been considered by om· committee at all. cost would be bow much? 1 Mr. MILLER of Washington. Would these Eagle boats be Mr. OLIVER of Alabama. About $806,000,000. available for that purpose? Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. It is pretty safe, then, to figure l\lr. PADGETT. If the Congress should turn them over, or if on $750,000,000. the department should transfer them by consent of Congress, I Mr. OLIVER of Alabama. In making this estimate he took presume they could be used for that purpose. into account the building of another program such as we or Mr. MILLER of Washington. Does the gentleman know if dered in August, 1916, and instead of $750,000,000 he estimated the Navy Department has that in view as the reason for asking that it would cost something over $800,000,000. tliat these 60 Eagle boats be completed? Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. I ·was just going to ask this Mr. PADGETT. No, sir. I understand· the 60 are being com question, if the gentleman had the figures, because if he can pleted because they had progressed so far at the time of the furnish the figures I can do a little mathematical computation signing of the armistice, in the gathering of the materials and and get at my results. the fabrication and the progress of the work, that it was an Mr. OLIVER of Alabama. Yes. advantage to the Government to complete those 60. The 52 Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. By the time the ships contem had not been completed to that extent, and the contracts for plated in the 1916 program are completed, and by the time this them were canceled. supplemental program recommended by your committee is com Mr. MILLER of Washington. And there are two or three or pleted, what will be as of that future date the aggregate cost of four in commission now, I believe. all of the ships thelt in the American Navy? If you can give me Mr. PADGETT. I have 1t in my mind that five of them have that, I can divide that by 4 and get at the maintenance. 1 been put out in the water. Whether I am correct on that or Mr. OLIVER of Alabama. The aggregate cost of the ships not I do not recall. It is a small number. ordered prior to August, 1916, was stated by the admiral to be Mr. MILLER of Washington. Is it the judgment of the Navy approximately $775,000,000, and the aggregate cost of the ships that those boats are a success? _ of the August, 1916, program is estimated by, the admiral to be Mr. PADGETT. Admiral Taylor speaks very nicely of them. $761,000,000. But at a later hearing Admiral Taylor stated He is the chief constructor. He says that they are good boats, that that would be $806,000,000. The aggregate cost of the dupli and- that they will be very serviceable and will be well worth cation of the August, 1916, building program, as estimated by, ,what they will cost the Government. Admiral McGowan, is over $900,000,000. Instead of authorizing Mr. MILLER of Washington. They mount two 4-inch guns, the duplication of that program of 1916, as was first suggested, :do they not? the only part of that program we have authorized is 10 battle Mr. PADGETT. I believe they have either 4 or 5 inch guns. ships and 10 scout cruisers, which the chairman states are esti I am not sure which. mated by Admiral Taylor to cost approximately $400,000,000. Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. 1\Ir. Chairman, I have one _ Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. May ·I ask this question? It further question that I wish to ask. When this supplemental is often stated in our body, that when the Congress authorizes program is completed, which is to cost $412,000,000, what then battleships and scout cruisers, their construction is always fol .will be the annual maintenance charge of our Navy, if we add lowed by requetsts for a number of smaller vessels which the nothing more? Navy needs insist are necessary to make a well-balanced Navy. Mr. PADGETT. I do not think it would aggregate any more Hence the moment we begin to build battleships and scout than with the others, because many of those that we now have cruisers, then this other construction is a corollary, you ffi'RY. ,would be supplemented by these new ships. :&ay. - 1\lr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. Has it been the experience of l\Ir. PADGETT. If the gentleman from Alabama will per the chairman heretofore that from year to year the expenses mit, I will say that before the war our Navy was an unbalanced :of the Navy have ever declined? Navy. We had more capital ships-that is, large ships-and ' 1\Ir. PADGETT. No, sir. 1 had emphasized that and had been ·leaving o:tr the small ships. Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. Have we any reason to believe, On account of the exigencies of this war, and the operation of then, that in the future the experience will be different? the submarines against commercial ships, the thing shifted, and : l\Ir. PADGETT. Yes; I think we have reached the point we have now a multitude of small ships and a surplus of small ,where, owing to the age of our ships, many of those that we ships, so that the Navy is now unbalanced by having more now have will go out of service and be supplemented by the small ships out of proportion to what we have of large ships. larger, better, and newer ships. So in this war it changed. For instance, we have 342 destroyers Mr. OLIVER of Alabama. If the chairman of the committee built, building, and authorized. Before the war I think we ,will permit, in answering the question of the gentleman from had between 70 and 80, if I remember the figures offhand. ,Virginia [Mr. SAU!IDERS] as to the cost of maintaining the pres Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. Fifty-four. ent Navy, as now authorized, without adding an;9' more ships, Mr. BUTLER. Fifty-four small boats. the c-hairman stated that it was estimated by some to be as much Mr. PADGETT. I was perhaps putting it too high. Now, as $600,000,000. we have the same condition about submarines. We have the . 1\Ir. PADGETT. I said $650,000,000. That is my recollection. 1 chasers, we have the Eagle boats, and various others, so that l\fr. OLIVER <>f Alabama. The only estimate submitted to we do not need small craft at all, and for that reason 'the com the .<;Qro!!!ittee on that question was u letter from Admiral Me~ mittee has not reported any part of the program with reference :Gowan, which will be found on p11ge 825 of the hearings. In to the small craft, bilt we nre reporting two of the larger type. making that estimate he took into account the ships of the Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. What the chairman has stated :.August, 1916, building program and also a duplication of that does not alter the rule. He states that we have more smaller program. It will be ~nteresting to the gentleman to read that ships tlum we used to have, and that so far as the larger ships letter. Admiral McGowan makes the statement therein that are concerned, we will not need so many small ships. With in the opinion of the Bureau of Supplies and Accounts 25 per reference to capital ships, it appears just .now that we haTe a cent of the original cost of ships represents the fair annual cost disproportionate number of small ships. But that does not of maintenance; and he sets out in that table what the ;Navy meet the question that I am asking. Do our naval experts, the authorized prior to August, 1916, cost, which was approximately naval heads, -consider that when you shall have built the heavy; $775,000,000. He estimated the cost of the A~~t, 1916, pro ships contemplated in the 1916 building program, and the heavy 'gram at $761,000,000, and he estimated that to duplicate the ships contemplated in the supplementary prog1·am, you will 1916 program would cost $913,000,000, taking into account the then have such a well-balanced Navy, that there will be no present increased cost of labo1· and materials, and he then gave as · demand for additional smaller ships? ~ 1919. - CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 2681 Mr. PADGETT. Well, there is a division of opinion among Mr. SNYDER. And it is stat~d that 82,000 of these men arc the naval men. Some insist that we should have more and for the purpose of the Shipping Board and for transports? some say that we have a sufficiency. We have never been·able Mr. PADGETT. Yes. to get an absolute agreement on any proposition. Mr. SNYDER. What I am asking is, are these 82,000 men Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. May I ask one further ques charged up to the Shipping Board, or are they paid out of the tion, and then I wlll not take any further: time of the. commit Navy appropriation? :tee. So far as this war is concerned, our heavy ships have Mr. PADGETT. They are paid out of the appropriation for played practically no part, is not that true? the Navy, and that is a work that the Navy is doing in addition Mr. PADGETT. No; it is not. The salvation of our cause to strictly naval work. and the cause of the allies were saved by British big ·ships. Mr. SNYDER. I appreciate all that, but what I am trying to Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. But the gentleman does not get at is when the Shipping Board makes their rates for ton answer my question. I said " our ships " ; I did not say any nage, do they have to consider in any way the payment of these thing about the British ships. men in making up their costs? Mr. PADGETT. Had it not been for the big ships Germany Mr. PADGETT. I do not know what the Shipping Board would have won the war before we got into it, and we would takes into consideration. have had to fight it alone. Mr~ SNYDER. It seems to me that is a very important ques Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. If it had not been for the tion right here now. British fighting men, you may say Germany would have won Mr. PADGETT. The big part I find is for the Army-opera the war. I am asking the gentleman, so far as the present war tion. for the Army-and there are certain amounts that the is concerned, whether our big ships played any but a compara Army refunds to the Navy, and that goes into the Treasury as tively unimportant part in it. The gentleman does not answer general receipts, but there is a large part of it that the Navy the question by telling me what the English ships did. bears the expense of and does not get any compensation for. Mr. PADGETT. We sent over a part of our ships to act Mr. SNYDER. I understand that when these ships arc with the British Navy. brought out of Hog Island, if they ever are, they are immediately Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. Our heavy ships were a part manned by men from the Navy. of the grand fleet. I am not minimizing our part in the naval Mr. PADGETT. The Shipping Board turns over its ships to war, for I well understand that our smaller ships played a the Army, and the Army then calls upon the Navy to man and big part in the antisubmarine operations. But is it not true operate them. that the big ships of this country made but a small contribu Mr. SNYDER. The question that I want to clear up, if I can, tion to the naval operations? is this: When the Army or the Navy supplies these men to th0 Mr. PADGETT. England was very glad to have them sent Shipping Board, does the Shipping Board contemplate the cost over there. of those men in the rates they give the public for can·yin6 Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. Yes, I know that they wel freight? comed our battleships, when our admirals in command reached - Mr. PADGETT. I am unable to answer that, because I have England. I know that they were splendid ships, and that they no information from the Shipping Board. would have done well if there had been any fighting to be done. Mr. SNYDER. It seems to me that would be information we They would have played a magnificent part, I may say, but as need here now. - a matter of fact our big ships had but little to do, and there Mr. PADGETT. As to what elements go into the Shipping were comparatively few on the other side. Board in fixing the rates. Mr. PADGETT. We sent five over at first. Mr. SNYDER. If the Government is going to supply men and Mr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. Five dreadnaughts? operate its ships and pay those men out of the taxes we are Mr. PADGETT. Yes; and they went up into the Orkney raising for the people, then compete with shippers who are try Islands, and then later we sent seven more, I believe. ing to compete with that situation, it seems to me that our whole Mr. BUTLER. Four more, nine in all. shipbuilding scheme will go for nothing. l\It·. PADGETT. The gentleman from Pennsylvania says four Mr. PADGETT. I agree with the gentleman that it is an more. They went over. element that ought to be considered by the Shipping Board, but ~rr. SAUNDERS of Virginia. I wish to get at the facts. they are not under our control or jurisdiction. Nine went over there. You say now the British grand fleet were Mr. SNYDER. Is it the correct thing for us to do here waiting for the German fleet to emerge. As a matter of fact it Mr. PADGETT. Our ships are being operated for military . did not emerge before we got over. They never emerged, save purposes. ns captives. Our heavy ships were naturally welcomed, but they Mr. SNYDER. To appropriate money in a naval bill for the were not needed. The British fleet was ample to contain the purpose of operating merchant ships? German :fleet. Mr. PADGETT. We are not operating merchant ships in ·Mr. PADGETT. And were there ready. commerce. 1\It·. SAUNDERS of Virginia. And were there ready and wait Mr. SNYDER. You are operating ships for the Shipping ing for the Germans to come out. Had they come our ships Board, and they are carrying merchandise. would have fought like bulldogs. That is true, but they never Mr. PADGETT. Oh, no ; only for military pm·poses. emerged, and never contemplated emerging. The British had Mr. SNYDER. They are operated by the Army-by meu fm·· E-nough heavy ships to take care of the German fleet, if it had Dished the Army by the Navy. emerged, is not that true? l\fr. PADGETT. I think so; but ours contributed a very Mr. PADGETT. They are for bringing troops back and important part in being there. equipment of war and materials of war. 1\Ir. SAUNDERS of Virginia. · And the actual active helpful Mr. HICKS. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yielrt? contributions, so far ns opposition to the real naval activities 1\Ir. PADGETT. Yes. of Germany were concerned, which consisted of submarine war Mr. HICKS. Mr. Chairman, there have been several ques fare, were conducted by our lighter ships. tions asked here this morning upon which I think perhaps I · Mr. PADGETT. Oh, certairP.y; and the English small ships am able to throw a little light, if the gentleman will permit. I also operated against them. have just telephoned to the Bureau of Navigation in regard l\Ir. SAUNDERS of Virginia. Absolutely, but I am dealing to the release of men. They have not the figures as to the with our contribution ·to the naval warfare, not the part the actual number, but they have authorized the discharge of 20 English played. per cent of those who eplisted for the duration of the war, 10 Mr. SNYDER. Mr. Chairman, .will ·the gentleman yield? per cent of those who enlisted for four years and who joined Mr. PADGE'.rT. Yes. the Navy after April 6, 1917, and 40 per cent of the Naval :· 1\fr. SNYDER. I want to ask a few questions along another Reserves. A query was made in regard to the battery upon line. I notice in the report that the present authorized strength the Eagle patrol boats. These vessels have a battery consist of the Navy is 143,000 men and odd. Can the gentleman give ing of two 4-inch 50-caliber guns, one 3-inch 50-caliber gun, us any idea as to how many men there are in the Navy now? one Y depth-bomb projector, and two machine guns. · Mr. PADGETT. I did that. On the 11th of November, when Mr. GILLETT. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? the armistice was signed, there were 497,020 men. I under Mr. PADGETT. Yes. stand that something like 100,000 have been discharged since Mr. GILLETT. 1\!r. Chairman, there have been st::itements then. in the press that action of the committee was determined, or · l\Ir. SNYDER. I note that the committee recommends for at least infiuenced, by secret cablegrams from the President. I the temporary organization, until June 30, 1920, 225,000 men. wondered whether in this era of pitiless publicity the chairman Mr. PADGETT. Yes. could tell thls House whether that is so or not? 2682 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 4/. Mr. PADGETT. The papers stated that the chairman hp.d Mr. P .ADGETT. I want to say, the President was very received a cablegram from the President. That is 'llOt ~orrect. earnest a.nd very insistent-- · The President did not cable me nor did I cable the President. Mr. BUTLER. He was. . I do not think that any member of the committee did. I Mr. PADGETT. That this program should continue. I think think I am warranted in saying no member of th-e ro.mmittee I -can say that much to the House. dld. Mr. ROGERS. If the gentleman will yield, did the P1·esiUent 1\Ir. BUTLER Cable the President. I did not! say in substance that the failure Qf the program would be " fatal' Mr. PADGETT. I do not think any member of the committee to my negotiations '-'? Did he use the word " fatal "? • received a cable from the President. I was going to state thiS, Mr. PADGETT. The gentleman must excuse .me from an:.. hoW'ever, to the House. During the debate in the committee in swering as to th-e words that were .or were not in the Presl~ · the hearing, and so fo1·th, there was a diversity of opinion as dent's cablegram. I have stated the substance, that the Presioe to the propriety or the need of going ahead with the building cent was insistent and -rery earnest that the three-year Pl'Ogram program at this time pending the development of the league of should go ahead, and I will not either affirm or deny any worcl nations, the question of disarmament, and what progress had that was used in that telegram. been made, and so forth. That was in the hearing, and I had Mr. ROGERS. Mr. Chairman, does not the gentleman think~ · talked also with the Secretary of the Navy and told him of these does the gentleman yield? .various contentions and arguments in the House :and in the Mr. PADGETT. Yes. cominittee with the membership of the House, and the Secre Mr. .ROGERS. Does not the gentleman think that at a critical tary of the Navy cabled the President and told him of this time lik-e this the American Congress should be fw.'Ilished with situation and asked him if anything had happened over there all the information which the Committee on Naval Affairs has or · if there had been any development-I .am giving it in sub in reference to a policy vitally concerning the American people stance-that would change his recommendation as to the three in order to enable it to make up its mind? [Applause.] . year program, and the President cabled back in substance-! Mr. PADGETT. .All I can say is that the critical time is do not give the words-that he had not changed his mind, that not limited to here; it is over there also. .And it would not he still insisted and desired very earnestly the three-year b.e proper, I will say to the gentleman. for me to give the program. · words that were used. If the President wants to give them,. Mr. GILLETT. I wondered if the telegram-! do not know all rignt. I have told the substance. I have told you he was whether the gentleman will tell us or not-contained any facts earnest, he was insistent; but I will not give the words either upon which the committee could base its own judgment or that he did or did not use. . whether it was simply an expression of opinion like the similar ?lfr. GRAHAM of Dlinois. I want to know, if the chairman m·essage on the Panama Canal tolls. will tell me, if this telegraphic communication did not come to Mr. PADGETT. As I stated, the President stated in sub the Secretary of the Navy? stance-! do not give his words-that nothing had occurred over Mr. PADGETT. Yes, sir. there to change his recommendation for the three-year program M.r. GRA..HAM of Illinois. Was that communication then and insisted very earnestly that Congress should eairy out the given to your committee? three-year program. He stated, however, that if there are de .Mr. P A.DGETT. It wa.s given to me confidentially, .and I told .velopments in the way of tribunals, and so forth, for disarma the Secretary of the Navy that what he had given to me in ment and a league of nations, or along that line; that he would confidence I felt I ought to give to the members of the com be willing that a proviso should be inserted to allow him to mittee, and I did so, in the same confidence that it was given discontinue or stop the building program if an agreement was to me, so far as the language was concerned. 1·eached internationally. Mr. GRAHAM of Dlinois. Is it not true that the information Mr. GILLETT. And would the gentleman be willing to ·state · that you conveyed to the members of your Naval Affairs Com whetller the alleged quotation in the Washington Post of this mittee is the one reason that this report here is unanimous? mor"ning, "that it would interfere with my negotiations"- Mr. P .ADGETT. Yes, sir. SEVERAL MEMBERS. u Fatal." Mr. GRAHAM of illinois. And the information you ga\e :Mr. GILLETT. "Be fatal to my negotiations "-whether that them influenced tl1em in voting for this program? was accurate or not? Mr. PADGETT. Yes, sir; some of them. Mr. PADGETT. No, sir; that was not accurate. Mr. GRAHA.M of illinois. This information you say you can Mr. GILLETT. The gentleman does not feel at liberty to not give to the House? give us the full cablegram, so that the House will have the same Mr. PADGETT. I can not do it, becau e it involves more t11an information which the committee had on which to base its our own domestic policy. , decision? Mr. GRAHAM of Illinois. Do you not think, in view of the :Mr. PADGETT. I would "Dot; no, sir; but I want to state that situation, in view of the fact that this committee has been in.:. .the words which were quoted in the Post this morning were not fiuenced to do this by information, that we who vote for this correct as they were there quoted. appropriation ought to know something about it? Ur. BUTLER. Will the gentleman permit me to ask him a Mr. PADGETT. 1 have stated very fully and practically what question? the wish and insistence was, but I can not give you the language: 1.\Ir. PADGETT. Yes, sir; I do not want to give the words-- because it would not be proper that it should be given. 1\.Ir. BUTLER. I am not asking the gentleman to disclose what Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. Mr. Chairman, I was going to re· the President of the United States cabled, and until this minute vert to what is to me a rather pertinent question by the gentle ;J ne--rer have admitted to those who have spoken to me that the man from Massachusetts [Mr. RoGERs]. I recall that he is ~r ·President even did cable; nevertheless, the chairman of the Com member of the Committee on Foreign Affa.irs of the House, a.nd mittee on Naval Affairs having said he did cable to America I would like to ask him whether or not, in presenting rna tters to something concerning this building program, I would like to ask the House, all questions of diplomacy that are discussed in· his the chairman of the committee whether or not those words which committee or all inforJ".nation had 41 his committee is presented .were put to the chairman by the gentleman from Massachusetts to the House? 1• [Mr. GILLETT] concerning the effect of the refusal to adopt this Mr. ROGERS. I am not aware, as a member of the Commit· program pending negotiations were in substance correct? tee on Foreign Affairs, that the committee has ever declined Mr. PADGETT. I stated, and I will state now, I will not give to submit to the House fundamental information upon a great' the words-- policy for which the Congress was asked to appropriate. Mr. BUTLER. I am not asking the gentleman to do that. Mr. PADGETT. I am giving the fundamental information 1\lr. PADGETT. But the President was very earnest and very here very fully and very .freely. insistent that the three-year program should be carried out. Mr. CA?IfPEEivL of Kansas and Mr. MANN rose. Mr. BUTLER. Nevertheless, I do not want to stand here, like Mr. PADGETT. I first yield to the gentleman from Kansas· -a yap; I do not want to be considered in the House a sort of a [1\!r. CAMPBELL]. yap, turning in and out, whichever way the wind blows; but the Mr. CAMPBELL of Kansas. I am sure that during the early, . chairman will agree with me in this, that I was opposed to this part of the dlscussion here this .morning Members were thinking program-- of something besides w1lat was being talked about. They·were Mr. PADGETT. Yes. thinking about this thing. Nothing of greater importance has .Mr. BUTLER. That something was said to me that altered occurred curing my legislative experience in this House': my opinion as to what I should 'I Mr. FREAR. I believe that the House is more impressed with a speech on this bill ; ·but before he begins his speech, I think I the fact that the members of this committee were suddenly owe ometbing to myself and to my good friend from Wiscon in cletermined in their action to support a bill when first they re [Ur. FREAR]. He ha.: asked me to state what influenced my, f·used, and that is the important proposition . that the House mind at the last minute when this naval program was under .would like to haye light on. For that reason I ask the gentleman consideration in the committee room. l\fy friend from New. if be will yield to the gentleman from Penn ylvania [Mr. BuT Jersey [Mr. BROWNING] bas asked me to state what influenced LER], who tells us that suduenly in committee his mind was his min :\[r. BUTLEU. I uo not know an._Y'tlllng about tlmt. [Laugh- MI'. . GRAIIAl\.I of Illinoi:. Wa tile gentleman a Member of ter.l . . , .. . c;ongress at . th~ time ti1e Pre. ·itl~nt . sent his message on the Ml'. McCORMICK. I mcrelv aske ·1\lr.- l\IOORE of Pennsylvania. I want to be with the gentle- based on warcop.ditions, and nobody could tell how much money ruan on illat proposition. I wanted to know that I was voting would be required, and if the war had continued we would have in the interest of the United States. I assume the gentleman be- voted all that the executive branch of the Government thought lieves that way about it. · it needed to carry_on the war, just as we did during the days Mr. BUTLER Mr. Chairman, before my colleague from of the war. So they asked for $2,640,000,000, and the armistice Michigan [Mr. KELLEY] proceeds, will he permit me to yield for came, and they knew at once, of course, they would not need a moment to my colleague from Pennsylvania [Mr. FocHT], who so much money. They did not know exactly how much they desires to have a letter read 1 would need. l\lr. KELLEY of Michigan. Certainly. Bureau chiefs could not tell, but they made as good. an esti- l\fr. BUTLER. I yield now for a moment to the gentleman mate as they could, and the sum total of what they asked was f1·om Pennsylnlllia [J\Ir. FocHT]. reduced to $1,400,000,000. Then the hearings were begun and l\lr. FOCHT. . 1\lr. Chairman, I do not want to discuss this bureau· chiefs came before the committee and more information question after what has been said here this morning. It is began to come through as to what would· be required d.uring .self-evid.ent that \vith the keenness and alertness and the this demobilization period, and after hearings were closed the :vision of the newspapers and the American · people we will Secretary reduced the estimate to $975,000,000, and then the know all about what was in that telegram at least before the committee, in view of all we had learned and from subsequent House votes on the question. · information which came through, exercising its best judgment, At some future time I shall have something to say about decided that $746,000,000 was sufficient to take care of the House bill 1344.0, but for the present will be content to have- extra expenses incidental to the demobilization and at the same read by tlle Clerk a letter which I have received from a former time take care of the regular Naval Establishment. So this Congressman, Hon. J. D. Hicks, now deparbnent commander bill carries $746,000,000. I have tried to work out what I of the Grand Army of the Republic of Pennsylvania. I send thought might be in the minds of a good many Members of the the letter to the desk and ask that it be read in my time. House as to what part of this $746,000,000 may be temporary The CHAIRMAN. Witllout objection, the Clerk will read. in its character and which would not recur in future appropria:- The .Clerk read as follows: tions. Now, the bill carries $179,000,000 increase for the Navy: HEA.DQUARTERS DilPARTMENT OF PENNSYLVANIA, That dOeS not include anything for the new Ships herein author- GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC, • d Altoona, Pa., Januan; 1!8, 1919. IZe • Hon. B. K. FocHT. M:r. EAGLE. Will the gentleman yield for a question? MY DEAR co~GRESSMAN AND FmEXD: On behalf of the Department of Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. In just a moment; let me finish Pennsylvania, Grand Army of the Republic, I most earnestly request what I am saying about that part of the appropriation which that you prote.st against the bill recently. mtroduced in Congress by is due to temporary conditions. Now, with that taken out, that theCongressman Battle Mountain GANDY, Homeof South at Hot Dakota, Springs, .Providing S.Dak., forto thethe Wartransfer Depart- of leaves $567,000,000 for the maintenance of the Navy, tempor·ar·y ment for the use of the hospital for the soldiers of the present war, and permanent. Now, we fixed the enlisted personnel of the wbJch bill provides for the transfer of the Civil and Spanish War vet- Regular Navy j1,1st as it was before, 143,000 men. 'Ve allowed crans to other homes, principally to the home at Danville, Ill. While , men, what the Navy Department and tlle A "my tho•·Jght we do not obfect to the use of the home at Battle Mountain for the 82 000 .o..1 ~ soldlers of the world war, we do object to the removal of the veterans would be necessary to man the ships carrying food to our sol- of the Civil and Spanish Wars to other homes, for the reason that the diers as long as they are in Eur·ope and to ca · t b k sanitarium at Battle Mountain is specially equipped for the treatment ' rry roops ac ·, of all kinds of diseases to which aged soldiers are subject; and if they and provided that as fast as that service ended men automati are removed . to Danville, Ill., or to other homes, our comrades of the · cally would be mustered out of the service. So these 82,000 Civil War would be deprived of this treatment. men or an ~ual number· of men w1'U dr·op out of th N The commander in chief of the Grand Army of the Republic has ' ~'J. ' · e avy as nh·eady protested against the proposed action, and you will earn the fast as the temporary service in which they are engaged i~ everlasting gratitude of the members of the Grand Army of the Republic ended. Now, as somebody has said, I think the chairman, we of rennsylvaniu by using your best efforts against the passage of Con· have 25,000 marines in France. The whole strength of tlle gre · man GA. ·DY's b1ll. - l\1 c h · I have the honor to be, sincerely, yours, urine orps w en this temporary period passes by is only J. D. HrcKs. about 17,000 men, so that unless we provide for a temporary 1\lr. BUTLER .:Ur. Chairman, I now yield one hour to the increase of the Marine Corps we would have no marines in the gentleman from Michigan [l\Ir. KELLEY]. [Applause.] United States at all after July 1 next. Our whole Marine l\Ir. KELLEY of Michigan. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of Corps, and more, too, would be in France, and., ,of course, ~~e the House, reverting just for a moment to the discussion which could not think of calling marines home ahead of the soldiers ]1as been going on, for myself I desire to say that I made up my with whom they are serving abroad. So we provided that while mind some little time ago to support this proposition for an the marines are in France there is to be a temporary increase ad.ditional building program. Some gentlemen awhile ago of the Marine Corps of 25,000 men, and as fast as they are seemed to think that such a program would be inconsistent with brought home they or an equal number are to be demobilized the declar~d policy of Congress and the country, looking to a and mustered out· of the service. reduction of armaments, but I think not. The President of the Mr. MILLER of Minnesota. Will the gentleman yield for an United. States and his associates are working now to secure a inquiry? 1·eduction of armament. We place in this bill a proviso that l\:lr. KELLEY of Michigan. I do. the ships authorized herein shall not be started before the 1st l\lr. MILLER of Minnesota. This bill, of course, takes of February, 1920, and we have.repealed a provision of legisla- effect after the 30th of June next. Before any provision of tion requiring the Secretary of the Navy to start all ships here- this character could be made operative or put into operation tofore authorized before the 1st of July next. , · thereafter probably several more months \Yould tran pire. The obvious purpose of all that is to give the United States, Has the gentleman information that it would be 8 or 10 through its official representatives abroad, whoever they happen months or a yea.r before the marines would be brought back from for the instant to be, it does not matter, an opportunity to work France? out a proper reduction of armament that all the world hopes Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. I will say to the gentleman that will be accomplished. Now, if it is going to help _the commis- the marines are scattered all through France, and there are sioners of other nations and our own to bring about a reduc- about 10,000 of them at Coblentz, in Germany, and I assume tion of armament to know what the policy of America would be that they are tlle regular marines, and the chances are they in the event that a reduction of armament is not to be effected, may stay longer than anybody else. then the world is entitled to lillow in advance what that policy l\1r. l\IILLER of Minnesota. Might I submit just this obser is to be, and that is why, not because the President advised it vation? Of course, at the time that the marines were sent to or because any other person advised it, that it has appealed to France everybody applauded; it was a splendid and propel· me as being a sound and proper course for the American people thing to do, but the war is over and land operations on a great to pursue. And with me it is no bluff, either. I want the load scale are ended. Having in mind the peculiar work the rna that is oa the back of the world for armament to be lifted. No- rines are designed to perform, would it not be wiser if we took bo l\Ir. GRAH..<\..M of Illinois. Yes; for the Army. Let me con ?!Ir. KELLEY of 1\llclugan. I have not discu ·sed anything tinue this inquiry that I was making. I do not know that I beyond this bill. I have not :ret entered upon the matter of understand exactly what the gentleman means, but during this future expense or appropriations. war the French line, for instance, ha · been running steamers ~Ir. OLIVER of Alabama. I under ·tand. reo-ularly and has been n·n.nsportin" tJ:·oops for our Government, Mr. KELLEY of l\!ichigan. When I get to that I ~lll hnvo aml has been transport~ng munitions. I know that from my orne facts to present. I · do not want the gentleman t ~'"et Ow-R personal knowledge. That is being done by private con ahead of me in my ;peecll. · tract, is it not, in some cases with pl'imte hlp lines? 1\lr. OLIVER of Alabama. I l>eg the gentleman's pardon. 1\lr. KELLEY of Michigan. Yes; that i true also 1\ith re Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. I am glad to llave the gentlemnn · gard to British merchant hip that are carrying troops and keep up with me, but I do not want him to get ahead of me. .mpplies. I do not know of any American private lines that Mr. OLIVER of Alabama. That is all right. :ue carrying troops or upplie · for the Army. Mr. BRIT~~- Will th€ gentleman yield for a question? Mr. GRAHAM of Illinoi··. Two or three foreign private l\Ir. KELLEY of l\Hchigan. I yield to the gentleman. lines have been doing it for some time, and are doing it now. Mr. BRITTEN. In the gentleman's calculation of • 67,000,000 l\fr. LITTLE. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield for as a possible point at which we may arriYe next year-- a question? Mr. KELLEY of l\lichigan. No; that i thi year, in thi bill" 1\Ir. KELLEY of 1\li higan. Ye ·; but I do not want to be 1\Ir. BRI'lvrEN. For the permanent e tabli hment? diverted from the thing I have in mind. I was talking about Mr. KELLEY of :Michigan. Ye. the expense of the Navy, and I hope the gcntleman•s question Mr. BRITTEN. On how many men in the permanent ta'[).. is directed to that point. lishment is the gentleman basing that? Mr. LITTLE. Yes; but if this question is not in accol'dance Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. One hundred and forty-three · _with the gentleman's argument I can wait until we reach that thousand men in the permanent establishment ·for the year of -point. I understand there are 14 submarines provided 1919-20. :for in addition to cruisers and battleships. Has the gentleman Mr. BRITTEN. · The gentleman knows that the Navy ncv r. any information as to the relative fighting results achieved by will get back to 146,000 men in the enlisted personnel. submarines an MrL KELLEY of Michigan. Yes. theirs in time of war we were making a fair allowance of Mr. OLIVER of Alabama. And which could be omitted from men; and I leave the gentleman to answer whether that is not future bills. Can the gentleman give us a brief statement of the true. And if we reduce the number to anything like the num· items to which he refers when he ·states that there can probably bers carried on British v-essels I think my colleague will ag1·eo be omitted from future bills an amount approximating $300,- with me that 146,000 men will be ample to take care of the. 000,000? . ships which we provide for in this bill up to June 30, 1920. . Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. $200,000,000. Mr. BRITTEN. Oh, no ; I could not possibly agree to that, Mr. OLIVER. of Alabama. Give the general headings. because we learned in the committee that the fighting ·]1jps 1\fr. KELLEY of Michigan. I think I can do that But first built for the American Navy during the wru· will require OG,OOO let me say . that I stated that if the tempora1·y items could ~e men. Now, we certainly had some Navy before we got into sifted out, in my judgment the bill would stand at about $367,· this war. 000,000, and I thought that that was high. I judge from the 1\Ir. KELLEY of Michigan. Y ; but the gentleman "ill r - question of the gentleman from Alabama, though perhaps I am member that we built during the war a great number of 1uall mi. ·taken, that he thinks otherwise. But I checked it up in this craft. If we keep in commi ion all the GO · Eagle tlu1 t- Mr. ,way: For 15 years prior to the war the expense of operation Ford is going to build-- and maintenance of the Navy afloat and ashore ran rather uni· Mr. BRITTEN. I am disregarding tllem entirely. formly at about 25 per cent of the investment in ships; that Mr. KELLEY of 1\fichigan~ And if we keep in c mmi ratio is so well fixed that it is of considerable value in checking the 240 submarine chasers and the 342 destroyer" that n ody up thls appropriation bill. I have ·calcnlated, with the assistance ever dreamed we would need in order to ha>e a proper IW . por ·of the department, that the total investm~nt in the fleet for the tion to our battleS¥-ps, but which we had to have becau e of period covered by this bill to June 30, 1920, will be $1,263,000,000, the submarine menace-if we shoultl keep all tho small shipl' and one-fourth of that sum would be $315,000,000, and I have in commis ion they would require more men just for tho allo~ed here $367,000,000 as the amount carried in the bill for small ships that we built during the last year or than we the permanent establishment. And so, based upon past experi had in our entire Navy in 1916; bnt I would not assume for a ence, it would seem as though we have allowed liberally in this moment that any administr-n.tion of the Navy would 1mdertnke bill. any such expensive and unnecessary policy. Tnat is ~hy I 1\lr. OLIVER of Alabama. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman voted to stand on the proposition of 14G,OOO men for the sllips l suffer another interruption? that we already hav-e, or will have prior to Jnnc 30, 192 , in · 1\Ir. KELLEY of Michigan. Yes. the regular N a>y. 1\fr. OLIVER of Alabama. The gentleman and I are in full 1\Ir. TILSON. Will the gentleman yieltl for a qu tion? ;accord as to the necessity of economizing, and yet it would be a 1\Ir. KELLEY of Michigan. Ye.'. mistake now to let the House feel that by adequately providing 1\Ir. TILSON. I it not a fact that a battle hip or any capital in tlle.next bill-for the Navy we could perhaps reduce the amount ship, being a large machine shop in fi way, th labor-saving now appropriated by some $375,000,000., because- machinery that is being installed and impro>ed !rom tim to ~lr. KELLEY of Michigan. I was trying, if the gentleman time will naturally reduce the number f men nece s;nry to rna n ,will excuse me, to point out that not more than $367,000,000 a warship properly? :of ·what we are now appropriating is for the permanent Navy, Mr. KELLEY of 1\iichigan. The testimony c moo to indi exclusive of the building program. cate the l'ever e of what you would naturally expect on that. Mr. OLIVER of Alabama. Here are Hems that the gentle :Mr. TILSON. That i what I would expect if it wru; a · it is :man, perhaps, fails to take into account, and I do not mention in our factori . ·. ;them for the purpose of maldng the bill unpopular, because Mr. KELLEY of 1llichlgan. Th y aid thi , that in til ohl ;we must, until some international agreement as to limitation days a ship when it got out of order was ta.ken to a navy yArd, of armament is made, maintain a strong and efficient Navy, or docked somewhere, and the machinery repaired, l>ut that :ancl must provide the money for that purpos;c, whether large now these ship are so well supplied with machine shop · ancl or small. But on the authorized building program there -will everything nee lll'Y for the making of repairs that the bulk of 1'emain unappropriated, aft-er the amotmts carried in this bill, all th€ minor repair·. heretofore made at navy yard ar now t;oruething like $486,000,000. That amount mu t be carried, made on board ship, and that therefore a lnrger number of rn n perhaps, in the next two bills, which will incrca c the amount are required. :for the construction ewn of the existing Navy oYer the amount l\Ir. ANTHONY. Will the gentleman yield? 'catried in this bilL l\1r. KELLEY of Michigan. Yes. 1919. CON GRESS!ON AL ·RECORD-· HOUSE. 2689 · 1\Ir. ANTHONY. Can the gentleman tell us if they still have Mr. KELLEY of. l\!ichigan. This is a bill pure and simple in commission the' hundreds of little motor boats that were put for supplying the Navy " ·ith money to run it from July 1, 1919, 1n commission at tl1e beginning of the war with the idea that to Jul~· 1, 1920. they were going to use them as a defense against U-boats? 1\lr. McKENZIE. Will the gentleman yield? l\fr. KELLEY of Michigan. If they are in commission now 1\Ir. KELLEY of Michigan. I will yield to the gentleman they will not be by the time this bill goes into effect next July, from Illinois. becau ewe have provided for only 225,000 men. Mr. McKENZIE. Has it not been the policy in tlw past to Mr. ANTHO:r-.ry. I think they were the biggest farce that permit the Secretary of the Navy to purchase Hmd for any pur has been attempted. · pose without being authorized by Congress? l\fr. BUTLER. Will the gentleman yield for an interruption? 1\fr. KELLEY of 1\Iichigan. I think not, but during the war 1\Ir. KELLEY of 1\Iichigan. I yield to the gentleman from blanket authority 'vas conferred upon the executi\e branch of Pennsylvania. the Government, which was undoubtedly exercised through the 1\!r. 13UTLER. I . will promise the gentleman as much time Secretary of War and the Secretary of the Navy and some other as is required to finish his very able speech. Has the gentleman departments of the Government, and quite likely that is where the figures flu-nished to us by the Bureau of Yards and Docks the authority arose. We gaye the President blanket powers showing the expenditures made in the last 18 months in these to spend money ·for the purchase of laud, fol' the taking over navy yards? of .l)roperty, and doing ttln:;.ost anything for the prosecution of the. 1\!r. KELI,EY of 1\Iichigan. I ha vc not got those figures here. war. There is no IJrovision of that kind in this bill, neither is ' Mr. BUTLER. Did the geBtleman count up the figures? there any provision for the purchase of land. · l\lr. KELLEY of Michigan. I do not recall just the total ex l\Ir. McKENZIE. I want to say that I thought that evil penditures on yards and docks: I know it is enormous. practice had been confined to the Military Establishment, but 1\Ir. BUTLER. Does the gentleman know that it is o\er $300,- it seems that it bas not. 000,000 on stations on land? 1\lr. KELLEY of Michigan. ~o; it spreads if giYetl a chance, Mr. PADGETT. About $330,000,000. no doubt. 1\fr. BUTLER. I thank the gentleman. Did the gentleman l\Ir. 1\.I.fu.~N. Will the gentleman yiehl? look O\er these figures and separate the appl'opriations tlmt l\Ir. KELLEY of JUicJtigan. Yes. were made by the N::n-al Affairs Committee and those obtained l\Ir. MANN. I understood the gentleman to .·ay that there from lump sum ? was no provision in the bill for the purchase of land? Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. :No; I did not. Without any 1\lr. KELLEY of Michigan. If the gentleman has found a doubt, during the \var large expansions have been made in provision I will stand corrected. naval stations. A great many new stations have been started, Mr. l\IANN. Here is a pro\"i ion for $25,000,000 for aero and I suppose it is lmman nature that when you get a big planes, any· portion of which can be used for the purchase of establishment going you are rather likely to keep it going. That land. 1s particularly true of the aeroplane business. 'Ve built aero plane stations at short distances along the coast. When the Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. For the purcha. e of a site nrst estimates came in they asked for 12 or 15 more aero sta upon which to erect a lighter-tllan-air station. You are cor tions, and tile committee has incorporated in this bill a provi rect, but that is the only one that I recall, and I_thank the gen sion requiring the Secretary of the Navy to abandon all stations tleman from Illinois for the correction. on the Atlantic coast but three, one on the Gulf coast and one XmY, I would like to· go back to the question of cost of the on the Pn.ciftc coast. A thorough examination of new projects Navy. If all the ships heretofore authorized and all the ships in navy yards and na\al stations, going back as near as we proposed to be authorized in this bill are built within a rea can to where we were before the war, as to the number of sonable time, say by 1924 or 1925, there would be an outlay stations and curtailing new enterprises where tlley were no for new ships of approximately $200,000,000 per year. If you longer needed will net a good many million dollars to the Gov add that to approximately $350,000,000 for operation and main· ernment, and I ha\e no doubt tllat that will be undertaken in tenance to the Navy, I do not sec how we can get away from a the next Congre. s by the NaYa.l Committee under the able leader bill every year for the next four or fiv~ years of $550,000,000, ship of my calleague [1\lr. BUTLER]. or possibly a little more, depending upon the price of labor and 1\!r. GRAHAM of Illinois. Will the gentleman yield? materiaL , l\Ir. KELLEY of Michigan. Yes. l\fr. MILLER of Minnesota. Will the gentleman yield? · 1\lr. GRAHAM of Illinois. I noticed in the newspaper. a state l\Ir. KELLEY of 1\Iichigan. Yes. ment t11at the Secretary of the Na\y has just purchased land l\ll·. MILLER of l\Hnnesota. _I am astounded at that. Great where an aero station was locate =---- • I .. ' },. 2690 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 4, ~Ir. KELLEY of Michigan. So that if we completed all of for the German ii.eet to interfere with tlte purpose of America the sllips we have already .authorized, .and ,added to them these and the allies in the wnr. 20 proposed in this bill, our annual appropriation for the next Mr. STAFFORD. lvith tile German ileet now impotent, where five years could not, in my judgment, be less than $550,000,000. is there an_y neell of a great Navy to ~·ival tile great fleet of At the end of that time what will -our situation be, provided we England, with England a om· .ally? stop there? The total investment in the fleet by the ll.s~ <>f July, Mr. KELLEY of lliclli.gan. I will say th.is, that circumstances 1924, we will ay, which would give five years to build it all, of war ne\er appear twice .:il.ike in the hi tm'Y of the world. If would be $1,935;000,000. One-quarter of that, "\\ilich was the men have not learned something from this war, if men bave not rule for 15 years, would mean an annual charge of .$484,000,000 learned the need of being able to talre care of them etves, then to keep that Navy up.· Of course there might he some reductions, I .am airaid some of the most \':aluable le ons incident to the due to the fact that iri 1924 we will have a lru.:ge .number of war have .escaped :them~ old ships, running all the way from 20 to 30 years old. and .they I want to say now, as I stated in the l.>eo-iuning, that I never would })robably ha~e to be put out of commission or _put in Wll.llt to see thi Nation .again pat in a }).Osition where it must r erve. ·Thi would cut the. expense .considera.oly. rely upon the protection of a friendly power to take care of its Mr. SNYDER. Is the gentleman correct in his figures when co.asts, its commerce, or it transports carrying the soldiers .of he Jpoke of th-e investment in the Navy being $1,000,000;000? the Republic. '[Applause.] I sincei'ciY hope that the nation~ 1\lr. KELLEY of Michigan. The total investment, when both of of the world will adopt a c11sarmament policy at the conference the e three-year programs are completed, ollld be $1,93~,000,000, now in se ion at Ver ailles. · But if this can not be "brought and one-qua-rter of that-for upkeep and operntion-would be about, l believe we should adopt such .a naval policy .as will .$484,000;000; in round •numbers, $500,000,()()(). So that, as it enable us to take care of ourselves and the .great interests we looks to me, conservatively speaking, if we _go forward with the have in the world. If disarmament falls America should not completion of the existing program and the new program it rely for its -defense upon the generosity of another nation, no will cost us to complete it and to keep it up whlle lt is being matter how friendly that nation may be, or how -closely it may completed over $500,000,000 a year, and when completed it can be tied to us by bonds of affection, language, or laws. 'So that I be maintained for something slightly over $500,000,000 a year. say I am in favor of building a N-avy which will of -ourselv:es, Mr. SHERWOOD. I see by the cablegrams. of _yesterday that · if .that is :the decree of the wo1·ld, take care of ourselves. TAll· the powers have substantially agreed upon general ·disarma- planse.] ment. . 1\lr. STAFFORD. Then, as I under tand the gentleman's Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. Yes; and that is -entirely consist- pr.oposal, it is to ;provide a Navy so .us to have it alone give ent with this bilL protection to transports and OlU' merchant marine to fight <>n Mr. SHERWOOD. Y-es; but you authorize the .Secretary to a foreign soil? go ahead. Why that authorization if it is not neeessat·y to Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. 011, I ·do not know where we bnild them? will be called 'Upon to fight. That is an old question that 1\fr. KELLEY of Michigan. It may not be necessary, and in clogged men's minds in days gone by in this House. Whether that e-vent we will -not build them. our soldiers should .fight on one kind -of soU or .on another. It Mr. SHERWOOD. What is the necessity now for that kind matters not the soil, if the reason for fighting exists America of legislation; and what is the necessity for dreadnaugbts any- will ;always go where the .enemy is no .matter where i!:Jey may :way? be. !Applause.] :Bu.t 1 hope, ;as you ·do, that America will have Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. I am a little .surpdsed that the to 'fight no .more, and I believe it will contribute rto 'the dis- gentlemen should ask me that question. nrmament -of the world if the world knows in adv.ance that in Mr. SHERWDOD. The Qll.een Elizabeth was the greatest · the event reduction of armament 'fa:ils ln this great ·cri£1is, much dreadnaught that was ·eYer set afloat. She canried a turret .of as it .may be against -our . ill, f(JUl' 1nterests in the world are such .15-inch guns and she was put out of business 'by ·.one German · that we can not ·afford to -rely 'On other to protect those ill submarine. terests, ·but we will build -such a Navy .as may be adequate :for Mr. KELLEY of Michigan. Yes; but I want to call the atten- that :purpose, hoping and praying, .:as we will, that the world tion of the gentleman to this, that back ·there in if:lle Xiel Canal may .see that .a ·continued increase in armnment is nnnccessnry. was a latent power, a masterful fleet, anxious and ready to come and that an agreement may be brought :about ·especially betwew out and destroy the commerce and transports of its enemy did these two great friendly peoples-the British :and America. it but dare to do so, and I ask the gentleman wha.t :prevented Why should it not be brought :n.bout? There is no Teason in tbe the German fleet from coming out of its hiding and -destroying ;world why .B~·itain should suspect: A.mel"ica :any more than the transports carrying the soldiers of America to the fields of . America should su pect Britain. America and Great Britain France? should sail thB .seas 'On even terms. We should be .able to take Mr. SHERWOOD. "I will answer that by asking .the gentle- care ·of our.selve , a. ldng ·no favors, courting no qu.m:rel with man w:bat prevented the English fleet from coming -out? any other nation, 'OUT merchant 'Ships -going out upon en::cy 1\fr. KELLEY r0f Michigan. Why, they were simply lying sea, as they 'Will from now on if the mext Congress is :ns wi c there bopmg and praying that the German fleet wotild come out. as I think it is going to be. All of our interests, our extensive Mr. SHERWOOD. Why·did they not come out and ·go after coast lines, ro · great cities like New York and Boston lying the German fteeU upon om· .sec Mr. Chairman, whilst speaking, and having finished that thanks. For all time they have earned the gratitude of their branch of what I came here to say, I want to say just this % It country in maintaining the high principles for which our Re is not exactly clear to me how we should vote upon this specific public entered the conflict, and for which they fought and died. $700,oo0,000 item to provide for a second three-year naval build The honor and the glory of the flag was safe in their hands. ing program. It seems to me that the President of the United In t~e words of R_udyard Kipling, "The Navy is very old and States had a perfect right to commupicate by cable with his very wise. Much of her wisdom is on record and available Secretary of the Navy. It would seem to me that the Secretary for reference, but more of it works in the unconscious blood of of the Navy would have a perfect right in turn to communicate those who serve her." the wishes, the thoughts, the sentiments at this critical time of The magnitude of our Army and the dazzling record of its the President of the United States to the chairman of the House brilliant achievements may in some degree obscure the service Committee on Naval Affairs. - rendered to our country and to its allies by the American Navy, Perhaps it was entirely wise for that chairman to com but it must ever be remembered that our ships were a part of municate the same to the membership of this House in order the great war forces which kept open the highways of the deep to induce a unanimity of report. Bot to save the life of me and made possible the final triumph of the allied armies. Had I can not see why any of these gentlemen, from th~ President the command of the oceans slipped from our hands those armies down to the Members of this House, should put a scare out would have languished and been beaten back for lack of sup among us without giving us fnll information and the reasons port in men and material. Had the scepter of the seas passed for their conclusions. [Applause.] to our foes, our own Army would never have inscribed on its Now, I have followed President Wilson in this House for banners the imperishable names of Cantigny, Belleau Wood, six years, as you gentlem~n all know, in season and out of Chateau-Thierry, St. Mihlel, and the Argonne. The one essen season, when I understood him. tial and indisputable element of victory was tire supremacy of I am willing in this instance to do anything he asks me to the allied fleet. The New York Evening Post in commenting do if he-tells me or lets me know directly that in the present upon this feature refers to the late Admiral Mahan, the great position of tremendous responsibility in which he is placed he naval theoretician and expert: needs my support in this connection. I would like to know Mahan thou shouldst be living at this hour! The great naval what it is about. I happen to have 300,000 people who have theoretlclant-. steeped in history and in fact, the American who first taught the JJ;ngllsh fully to know what their sea power had _wrought, selected me to do their voting here. They may not be the would surely have thrilled with satisfaction if he could have lived to most important people to him in this world; they may not be see the amazing spectacle of to-day. A "fleet in being" has done its the most important people to any of you gentlemen in this perfect work. With little actual fighting, its heavier ships having scarcely been engaged during the four years of war, there it has ridden world; but they are the most important people to themselves at anchor on the north coast of Scotland. Apparently it was doing and to me that there are upon this earth. [Applause.] · I am nothing. It looked as idle as painted ships upon a painted ocean. But willing to burden them, in common with the rest of the citizens in reality it was exerting irresistible and decisive power. • • • The grand ficet in harbor has exerted the indivisible compulsion across of this Nation, no more and no less, to build .the most splendid the North Sea which finally dragged the enemy vessels to the most im Navy that floats on the high seas if an exigency now exists or pressive and astounding naval capitulation ever seen. shall arise which, in the judgment of the splendid Executive In order that Congre s may judge of the work of the Navy, of the people of the whole United States, makes it not requi let me give, briefly, some interesting figures. Of the 2,079,800 site alone but indispensable and necessary to authorize it, men transported to France since April 7, 1917, 911,047 were taken aiid r would do that, subordinating my own individual judg over in United States transports and 40,499 in other American ment, if need be. ships, or 461 per cent of the total carried. 48! per cent were Primarily I believe in a Navy-that rides the sea not by per conveyed in British ships and 5! per cent in ships of other na mis ion of any other ·nation on earth. [Applause.] I do not tions. Of the total strength of the naval escort guarding all believe in asking the permission of any nation on earth how big those convoys 31 per cent was furnished by France, 141 by Great a Na'vy ·we shall build. I do not belie-ve that the rights of Britain, and 82! by the American Navy. A splendid testimonial America should be allowed to be violated anywhere. I do not to the efficiency of the convoy operations lies in the fact that not belie-ve that a league of nations ought ever to be formed which one of the eastbound American transports was torpedoed or dam is -capable ·of becoming a Frankenstein monster of sufficient aged by the enemy, and only three sunk on the return voyage. phy ical force in turn to compel the obedience of this Nation, Utmost secrecy was imperative in the operation of this trans· and if. I had the power to prevent it it would never be done. port service. The fleets, often numbering as high as 30 ships, [Applause.] I ·am in favor of a league of nations founded on plowed through the perilous seas in utter darkness and in immi· moral understanding of minds and spirit, but not founded on nent danger of collision. Under the watchful care of the Bu force. I would be willing to vote for this item if it had in reau of Operations, the courses of tl1ese ships across the ocean it a proviso that such $700,000,000 additional three-year pro and through the war zone were directed by the wireless from gram should become obsolete if disarmament should be declared shore stations, where every movement of enemy submarines throughout the world as the result of the peace confer-ence. But was charted and from whence flashed warnings and directions if we must vote for it before such peace treaty be fiQ.ally ratified, across the deep to the approaching ships. In this convoy work I shall vote for the second three-year building program, because arduous and exacting-all our destroyers, cruisers, and many of so long as I stay in Congress never by my vote or my action our older battleships were constantly engaged. As Secretary shall that proud flag that floats there ever be humiliated on Daniels has truly said: · account of our not being prepared to defend its glory and its The history of the convoy operations in which our naval forces have honor wherever American interests and American pride and taken part, due to which we have been able so succe~sfully to transport such a large number of our military forces abroad and so many supplles American honor dictate that it shall go. [Applause.] for the Army, is a chapter In itself. It is probably our major operation -Mr. BROWNING. Mr. Chairman, I yield to the gentleman in this war. and will in the future stand as a monument to both the from New York [Mr. HICKS] 40 minutes. Army and the Nnvy as the greatest and most difficult troop transport ing effort which has ever been conducted across seas. Ml". HICKS. Mr. Chairman, I want to indorse the conclu sions reached and support the arguments advanced by the gen There was nothing spectacular about this grinding duty. Win tleman from Michigan [Mr. KELLEY], and to echo his spl~ndid ter XId summer, by day and by night, in the fog and in the rain sentiment in regard to the Navy of the United States. As he and the ice, it demanded constant vigilance, unceasing toil, and bas taken up the present and future of the Navy, I desire in the extreme endurance. The work of this hazardous service was time allotted me to speak of what the Navy has done in the great endless and its hardships and dangers are barely realized. Dur conflict just brought to a close. ing the winter storms of the North Atlantic the maddened seas Out of the mist and the snow of the morning of December 26 all but engulfed these tiny but staunch destroyers, when for days a great battle fleet entered the harbor of New York and in the they breasted the fury _of the gale and defied the very elements majesty of its power steamed past the Statue of Liberty. It in their struggle for the mastery. No sleep tben for the tired came as a messenger of a conflict won, a silent victory, but a crew; no hot food; no dry clothes. Yet despite it all, with triumph as complete and overwhelming as any ever won by the each hour perhaps the last, with death stalking through the American Navy. We are too near the tragic events of the great staggering hulls, not a man-to the everlasting glory of the struggle to write with accuracy and fullness the log of our American Navy-not a rnun but felt himself especially favored in ·Navy's brilliant aehievements. The complete record of the being assigned that duty. valor, the heroism and sublime courage of the officers and men Sir Eric Geddes during his recent visit paid tWs high com who manned those ships, and the unselfish spirit and devotion pliment to our service: I know that you will appreciate what demands the present conditions to duty of those whose fighting strength at home carried forward of sea warfare impose upon this type of craft. They ~;cour the seas, the organization which made victory possible, will CQme only either hunting the submarine or keeping a careful watch over the through the perspective of the future. To-day we can but valuable human lives, equipment. and transports intrusted to their care to escort. I have both travelell in and been escorted by- American briefly appraise their gallant deeds, but we can and we do, in llestroyet·s. and I know their high Rtanllarll. They arc an essential the name of the Republic, extend to them all our heartfelt part of the fighting strength of the -fleet, anu, together with the 1919. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. '~!- • .._·~~ ··-··f ... cruisers, they are the- watchdogs of the altled trade and the terror of the stokebol~. With two- compartments flooded, their comrades the u boat. It will c.onvey some idea of the strain imposed upon the d d and d · 'th · ta' t that t"'-~ k ,1d vessels nnd their crews· when I tell you that each American destroyer ea ymg,. Wl a seemmg cer ID Y · the a w.C wotu in European water te.-uns between 4,000 and 5,000 miles a month. continue, which would mean that eYery man in the compartment J.<,or hard work, constant vigilanc.e, and almost perpetual discomfort~ , where the torpedo struck would be dro-wned or burned to death, this record is hard to beat even m this gre:.t war of universal strain yet despite It an when volunteers were called for, to man the and hardship. still undamaged furn~ces to keep up steam for the run back to As an indication of the extent of the work spectacular achievement of all-the repair of inte11ned German Navy who faced the dangers of war and the perils of the sea ships. When these vessels, many of them of the largest type with exalted courage and unfaltering determination. Their of trans-Atlantic liners, were taken over by our Government it loyalty and patriotism have never been questioned, their valor was found that the machinery of sev:eral had been seriously and heroism never doubted. By their deeds they have added damaged by the maliciously planned and carefully executed new luster to the glorious annals of the American Navy. sabotage of the crews. The principal injury was to the cylin Let me quote the noble words of the great commander in chief ders a·nd other parts of the engines, and, as these passenger of otir American Army in France, Gen. Pershing, who last June ships were potent ·factors in the transportation of troops, theiL· sent this message to our naval forces: immediate repair was a vital necessity. To resort to the usual Permit. me to senC! to the force commander, the officers, and men of practice of casting new cylinders would have involved too great the Amer1ca.n Navy m European waters, the most cordial greetings of the American ExpeditionaJ.·y Force. The bond which joins together all a loss of time. Nothing daunted by the magnitude of the task, men of American blood has been mightily strengthened and deepened by our Navy undertook the repair of these broken cylinders by the rough hand of war. employing the system of electric welding, and so successfully Those of us who are privileged to serve in the Army and Navy are to one another as brothers. Spaces of land and .sea are nothing where was this worlr accomplished that during all the months of serv a common purpose binds. We are so dependent upon one another that ice in which these vessels have been engaged, not a single de the honor, the fame, the· exploits of the one are the honor the fame fective weld has developed. All honor to the officers who risked the exploits of the other. It the enemy should dare to lea've his safe harbor and set his ships in battle array no cheers would be more rin"' their professional reputations and carried· forward to complete ing, as you and our allied tleets moved to meet him, than those of the success an accomplishment which expert engine manufacturers American Expeditionary Forces in France. We have unshaken con considered irppossiple. To the notations left by the Germans fidence in you and are assured that when we stand on the threshold of on many of the broken cylinders, " Can not be repaired," the peace your record will be one worthy of your traditions. genius of American experts and the skill of American mechanics No one appreciated more highly the efficient work done by gave the answer, "It will be and it has been done." our Navy than did Sir Eric Geddes, of the British Admiralty Let me speak, too, of the great railway battery of 14-inch who last October paid this tribute to ow· sea forces: ' I venture the opinion that when the history of this war is written Navy guns, manned exclusively by bluejackets. These huge there will be no more glorious page in that history than the one which guns, built originally for our new battle cruisers, were mounted tells of the wor:k done, the ~angers face.d, and the pl'ivations endured on great railway trucks. Each gun had a. complement of 12 by your Navy m common With the nav1es of your cobelligerents and there will be no greater manifestation of the overwhelming impor"tance specially constructed cars for the operation of the battery ancl of sea power in a fight such as this has been. In that manifestation the the maintenance of its crew. There were armored ammunition great American Navy has played a highly honorable and increasingly cars and machine-shop cars, barrack, kitchen, crane, and radio ·important part. cars, making the battery independent of any permanent artil Let us not forget the mighty work of those in the departments lery base. With a range of 30 miles, these guns were the most in the naval districts, in office and shop and warehouse, whos~ po,yerful of any on the line and did splendid execution in the efforts were as untiring as their success was complete. From closing days of the conflict. .the humblest yeowoman upward to the Secretary, through the The Navy gave not alone of its strength and its skill and its bureaus and their chiefs, all were animated by the same spirit blood but of its substance as well, for in the last two liberty of energy, of foresight, a nd determination to place the fleet on loans the men in the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard sub the highest basis of efficiency and strength. The phrase "The scribed for over $66,000,000 of bonds. Navy of the United States" has a significance apart and above When we speak of the Navy we speak, too, of the Coast simply a designation of one branch of our military service. Guard, for upon the declaration of war this important branch That ph1·ase, invoking the romance of the pathless seas and the of tlle service, with all its personnel and equipment, came under daring ·exploits of our seamen, appeals to our chivalry and our the jurisdiction of the Navy Department, and the record made pride. It visualizes the traditions and the deeds of yesterday since then is most commendable. The service was at once and brings to life tlle heroes who once trod the decks of our placed upon a war basis, additional men ·were· enlisted, vessels frigates. It opens the book of history to the brightest page of equipped, stations brought up to the highest degree of effi our achievements and links the accomplishments of the past ciency, and the lines of coastal communication extended. In with the glory of the present and the confidence of the future. every way in which service could be rendered in the prosecu It mean~ more than crews and ships, more than power of shell tion of the war this branch of ow· fighting force. performed its and might of steel; it connotes the will and the purpose of the duty fully and effectively. By their self-sacrificing devotion to Republic itself and carries us forward to a nobler conception a hazardous calling the officers and men of this service merit of national life. It epitomizes the spirit of America, and binds the highest praise. · Their bravery and their un:tllnching re us to a closer and more resolute union. It quickens our con sponse to duty in times of disaster endows their perilous voca sciousness as a member of the great family of nations and tion with the noblest attributes of humanity-the saving of prompts us as one of the trustees of civilization to a higher lives and ministering to those in distress. duty in the solution and adjustment of world problems. It is On November 21 five American dreadnaughts were in that far the symbol, not only of daring but of sacrifice, not only of cour flung double line of allied ships through which passed in sur age but of constructive endeavor~ constant in purpose and stead render the dreadnaughts, cruisers, and destroyers of the second fast to the end. As Secretary Daniels has so eloquentJy said: · most powerful navy in the world. When Admiral Beatty set Nations and people, too, that knew of the Navy of the United States only by hearsay or random incident know it now as the ·organized will his famous signal, "The German flag is to be hauled down at of a free people, prompt to heed the call of right against might, tire 3.57 and is not to be hoisted again without perinission," the less in etrort, fertile in resource, happy in co.operation, and unyielding work of our Navy as a battle unit in the war zone was over. tlll the ultimate goal be won. Too high a tribute_can not be paid the officers and men of our [Applause.] United States NaV1J; Nov. t, 1918. BATTLESHIPs-SINGLE CALIBEB. Battery. Displace- Name. Commissioned. Length. Beam. Drltft. ment Speed. Guns. M:en. Ma (normal). T~t~o rines. 1-----. -.------~------1 su~ Turret. Secq,ndary. ADtiaircrart. merged. ------~------l·------· l -----~-----·------.:..., : ------!------l------!·~------l------1~----s_ Feet. Ft. in. Ft. in. Tom. Kn«3. Arizona ...... •.•... -- .. ·1916 .....•...•••••••••. 608 28 10 31,400 1 21 12 H'~ , 4S cal.. 14 S", 51 cal .•. 4 3", 50 cal.... 2 21" . ... -1430 75 Arkansas' ...... •.•••• 1912 ...... ••••.••••. 562 : ~1 28 6 26, 000 21 12 12", 50 cal. • 16 5", 51 cal .•. 2 3", 50 cal. • . . 2 21" . . . . HOO 72 California ...... •..•..•• _. 49 per cent completPd __ 624 97 3l 30 3 32,300 121 12H";50cal •• H5",S1cal ••. 4 3", 50 cal • . . . 2 21" . . . . 1430 7h Colorado • ..... __ . _. _. ~ .. 7 per cent completed •. 624 30 6 32, 600 1 21 8 16'', 4~ cal. • . 14 5", 01 cal. •. 4 3", 50 caL ... 2 21". . .. 1430 75 Delaware ... _...... 1910 •.. -..... -- ••• -- ••. 518 2611 20,.000 21; 10 12'', 45 cal.. 14 5'!, (it cal ••• 23"; 50cal ••.. 221". . .. 1200 ()4 Florida : ...... •••••••••• 1911 •...... ••••••••.. 521 ~88 2~~; 28 6 21, 825 22 10 U'', f5 cal •• 12 5", 51 cal. •. 4 3", 50 cal ••.. 2 21". . . . 1200 64 Idaho ... _._ .. ·-·--·-:.•• Completed.··-···-·· .. 624 97 4 30 0 32,000 121 12 U", 50 cal •• 14 5"i 51 cal •.. 4 3", 50 cal. • . . 2 21" . . . . 1400 75 Maryland a ...... ···-· 39 percentcomplet(d •• 624 97 3 30 6 32,600 121 816",45caL •. 145", ~icaL •• 43",50caL • . . 221' ~ ---· 1430 75 Micbigllll •• -·-·· 1910.--···-······------452 24 6 16,ooo 1~ 8l~'t".'41f~-·- Ha;:.~qa.J ... 23",50cal. •.. 221't ..•. 1000 56 ~!:~i~-: -~~::::::::::: 1917 •.•....•••••••••••• 624 30 0 32,000 121 -1214 J ~cat •• 14 Q;, l Cal--- 43", WeaL ... 221".... 1400 75 583 95:i i2i2 28 6 27,a 201 ' 1QW~ ••5cal •• 125'1-j cal ••• 2 3'!, ~ caJ ••.. 2 21 ~ '-··· 1400 75 New Mexico H ..•••••••• ~~lL:~:~ :::::::::::~:: 624 97 . 30 0 32, l~l 1~H~,6Qqal •• 1Hi!(. ~ cal ••. 43~ , caL... 2 21~ _... 1360 75 · New Ymk '· .. ·-···--·-· 1914. :~ ~ :-.-: ~~·-··· 573 95 2 28 6 '1:1, 21! JO nr,, 45 cal.- 16l>"; G ~L. 23/L, ®1. ... i 21'! .•• : 1350 72 North Dakota .••••...•.. 1910 ... : ... ~.·~··~ ··~· 518 85 2 2611 . 20,000 ~~ 10 12.', 45 Cal.. 14 5", 51 ca1. .. 2 3:!,, 50 caL... 2 21~- •• : 1100 64 1 Estimated speed. 'Fitted as a flagship. ~~In i9i6 three-year program. ! Formerly named Oalifornia. 1919. CONGR.ESSION AL- RECORD-HOUSE. 2695 United States Na·•:v, Nov. 1, 1918-Continucd. BATTLESHIPS-SINGLE CALIBER-continued. Battery. Displace- Guns. Ma Name. Commissioned. Length. Beam. Draft. ment Speed. Tor~do Men. rines. (normal). I--T-ur_r_e_t_---,--=---S-ec_o_n_da-ry-.--,,.-An-t_iarr__-cr-a-ft-.- l t~b-s merged. ------l------~-t------l---- l ------~ ------ll ------· 1 ------l----- Ftet. Ft. in. Ft. in. Tons. Knots. Oklahoma...... 1916 ...... 583 95 2! 28 6 27,500 20\ 101!",45cll. . 125",51c~L .. 23",50cal. ... 221" ... . 75 Pennsylvania 1 •••••••••• 1916 ...... cos 97 Ol 28 10 31,400 21- 1214",45c.ll.. 145",5lm.L .. 43",50cal. ... 221" ... . 75 South carolina .•...... 1910 ...... 452 80 2~ 24 6 16,000 19 812",45cal. .. I43",50cal. .. 23",50cal. ... 221" ... . 56 Tennessee...... 52 per cent completed .. 624 97 3; 30 3 32,300 2 21 12 14", 50 caL. 14 5", 51 O.ll. .. 4 3", 50 caL ... 2 21" ... . 75 Texas 1 ...... 1914 ...... 573 95 2! 28 6 27,000 21 10H",45cal.. 165",51cll. .. 23",50cal. ... 421" ... . 72 Utaht ...... • ."..... 1911, ...... 521 88 2~ 28 6 21,825 21 10 12", 45 c.ll.. 12 5", 51 cal. .. 2 3", !iO cal. ... 2 21" ... . 64 Washlngton a._ • • • • . • • • • • 5 per cent completed .. 624 97 3t 30 6 32,600 ~ .n 8 l f;",45cal ... 145",51cal. .. 43",50cal. ... 221" ... . 75 West Virginia a_ ••.•••••• 19 percent completed .. 624 97 3! 30 6 32,€00 2 .n 816",45cal. .. 14 5", 5Ical. .. 43",5!>cal. ... 221" ... . 75 Wyom.in.g 1 __ • . ••••.••••. 1912 ...... •...... •.. 562 93 2! 28 6 26,000 21 1212",50cal.. I65",51cal. .. 23",50cal. ... 221" ... . 72 684 101 9 33 0 43,200 223 1216", 50 cal.. 16 6", 53 cal. .. 4 3", 50 cal. ... 2 21" ... . l ' J SouthDakotaa...... ••.. } . ( North Carolina a ••••••••• 684 10! 9 33 0 43,200 2 21 1216",50cal.. 166",53cal. .. 43",50cal. ... 221" ... . ,, I 2ZJ Mo~tan~ a··-· i · · · _._._ · · · · o per cent completed •. 684 10! 9 33 0 43,200 12 16", 50 cal.. 16 6", 53 cal. •. 4 3", 50 cal. ... 2 21" ... . I ' J Indiana \new) .....•.••. 684 10! 9 33 0 43,200 '23 12'16",50cal.. 166",53cal. .. 43",50cal. . .. 221" ... . \ CJ Massachusetts (new) a••• 684 10! 9 33 0 43,200 2 21 1216",50cal.. 166",S:scal. .. 43'' ,50cal. ... 221" ...... , Iowa (new) • ..•..•..•... 684 101 9 33 0 43,200 S2J 1216",50cal.. 166",53cal. .. 43",50cal. . .. 221" ... . .'J Total normal dis- placement .•.••...... •.....••.•...• ~ ...... 889,G50 1 Fitted as a flagship. : Estimated speed. a In 1916 three-year program. c Not determined. The last thiee shlps on list, Indiana, Massach!lsetts, Iowa, not officially named. BATTLESHIPS-MIXED CALIBER. Com- Displace- Battery. ~ Ma- Name. mis- Length. Beam. Draft. ment Speed. 1------.------.------1 riDes. sioned. (normal). Turret. Secondary. Antiaircraft. ------1·------l------l------!------l------l------·------1 Feet. Ft.in. Ft. in. Tons. Knots. Alabama ..•.••...... •..•..••.••••.....•••..••••••..• 1900 374 72 2~ 23 6 11,552 17.01 4 13", 35 caL .. 8 6", 40 caL ... 2 3", 50 cal.... 5G 4 12 45 1 Connecticut •••..•.••. , •••....•.•..•...••.....•..•••. 1906 456 76 10 24 6 16,000 18. 7818 8"," •45 caLcal . ·. .· }12 3" , ""~n c a1 · · - 2 3' , 50 caI . . . . . 1151 "'*,. _ 4 12", 40 caL . . 8 3", caL ... } , ,._ 23 19 26 50 2 3 1 955 Georgia .••.••••.•••.••••••••••••.••••.•••..••••••••• 1905 441 76 2! 9 14,918 I 8 8'!, 45 cal. . . 4 3", 50 cal. . . . , 50 ca · -· · "" Illinois ..•••••••••••.••••••••.•.•••• .'•••••••••••••••. 1901 375 72 2! 23 6 11,552 17.45 413",35cal. .. 86",40caL ... 23",50caL... 732" 56 . {4 13", 35 cal. .. lA , cal · Indiana ..••••••.••..••••••••.•.••••.• ·-••...•••••••. 1895 351 69 3 24 0 10,288 15 55 88" 35cal r 3. ' 50 .... ················ 725 56 Iowa ...... ••...... ••••••••...... ••...... •...... 1897 362 72 2! 24 0 11,346 17. og {g~·~ 'Jica'T~::: }4 4", 40 cal ...... •.. 760 4 12", 4.5 cal ... }12 , ~o cal Kansas .••••••..•...... ••••••••..••••.•..•.•••.•••... 1007 4.56 76 10 24 6 16,000 18. OJ {g 8,, 4.5 cal. . _. 3 , " . . . 2 3", 50 caL ... 1180 Kearsarge ..•••...... : ..•...... ••••..••..••.....•.. 1900 375 72 2} 23 6 11,520 16.82lf.l~;,., ~ ~: :: }s 5", 40caL ... 2 3", 50 cal.. .. 767 56 4 13 35 Kentucky....•...•.••••••••••...••.•....••..••••...• 1900 375 72 2! 23 6 11,520 16 · 9 l48",35cal." • cal. ..· · L:tf' 5"• 40 cal ···· 2 3" • 50 ca 1 .... 767 4 12", 45 }12 3" t:Q cal 2 3" 50 1 Louisiana .•••...... •...... •..•...•....•.... -.. 1906 456 76 10 24 16,000 18· 82 88",45caLcal.-- ... •" ··· , ca .... 1152 18. 0 4 12", 40 caL . . 8 6", 50 cal. . . . 2 3", 50 caL ; .. Maine....•••••••...•.....•...... ••.•.•. -- ..•.•.. -.- 1902 394 72 2! 23 10 12,500 830 Massachusetts...... •.•...... •...... •...•...... 189o 351 69 3 24 0 10,283 16.21 {~~~::·3~~~::: }43", 50 cal...... 725 6 18. 85 {4 1211, 45 caL .. }12 3'' t:;o cal 2 3" 50 1 Minnesota.••.....•...•...... ••.•...•.••..•...•.. 1907 456 76 10 24 16,000 8 8", 45 caL.:. • u - •• • , ca -- .. 1170 Missouri ••••••.•....•..••.•.....•••••••••..•••••..•• 1903 394 72 2} 2311 12;500 18. 15 4 12", 40 caL . . 8 6", 50 cal. . . . 2 3", 50 cal .... 968 55 _ {412",40cal ... 83"',50ca1. ... } , 50cal ~ 441 76 2! 23 9 14,948 19 05 23 1 955 G4 Nebraska ••••...... •...•••••....••.•••••••••...•.. 1907 I 8 8", 45 cal. . . . . • • • • . • • . . • . . . . • • •• 412 45 New Hampshire ..•....••••...•.•..•..••....••..•.•. 1903 456 76 10 24 6 16,000 18 . 16 1{ 8 8"'"• 45 caLcal.·· -. - }12 3"' 50 ca1 • . . 2 3" ' 50 ca1 .... 1191 Ci 412 4 New 1ersey ••.•••....•...... •.••.•...•••.••.••••• 1906 441 76 2! 23 9 14,948 1918· {188","• 45ca1...ocal. .. }83"• 50ca 1 · ··· 23" , 50 c al · ... 95.5 64 Ohio-.....• ~ ••...••...••••••.•• ··•·•·••••••·•·••••••• 1904 394 72 2! 23 12,500 17.82 412",40cal. .. 86",50cal. .•. 23",50caL .. 830 56 ~ {413", 35caL •. } , cal Oregon. ••••..•..•....•....•..•.••....••....••••••••• 1896 351 69 3 24 0 10,288 16 1 9 4 3 50 725 56 • 8 8"1. 45 cal.... ' · · · · · • · • · · · · · · · · · · · · 1 {4 12 , , 40 cal. •. -. -. - - --. -.•... - }2 3" 50 cal Rhodei:Jland..•....•.••. : ••.••..••.•••.•.•••••••••• 1906 441 76 2l 23 9 14,948 19. 0 13 8", 45 cal... 12 3", 50 cal. • . ' • · · · ·989 64 412 45 Vermont ....•..•...... •...•..•...••..•..••..•.••••.. 1907 4.55 76 10 24 6 16,000 18· 33 {8 8""•45 cal.cal.·· • . • }8 3''• 50 caI · • · • 2 3" , .50 ca1 • • -. 1191 G4 121 40 Virginia.....•..••.••.•.•..•....••.....••••..•••••••. 1906 441 76 2l 23 9 14,948 19.01 ,;• cal.·· · • • • •• · •• • •• · · · · }23", 50 cal. ... 989 64 {t8 8 , 45 cal. •...... •. ···-····· Wisconsin...... ••.•...•••....•.••...... ••.•.•. 1901 374 72 2~ 23 6 11,552 17.17 4 13", 35 cal... 8 6", 40 cal.... 2 3'.', 50 .cal. •.• 705 56 1Fonr8'~ guns in superposed turrets. BATTLE CRUISERS. Battery. Commissioned. L -'"h B D ft Displace- 8 d Guns. Torpedo tubes. 'h-Ia Name. en5 • • earn. ra . - ment pee . , ------I------I Men. rines. ~~~. r Turret. S econd ary. I A n t·1au-cra . ft . merged.Sub- I Abovewater. -----l------~---- l ------ll------! ------l ------1 ------Feet. Feet. Ft.in. Tom. Knot8. Constellation...... Oper cent completed. 874 90 31 3 35,236 1 35 816",50caL .. 146",53ca.L .. 43" •.••...... 421" .. 421" . . (!) Constitution ...... •.•. do .••.•.••...••. 874 90 31 3 35,236 135 816",50caL •• 146",53oal. •• 43" •...... 421" .. 421" .. {') Lexington...... •.•. do ..•...... •.... 874 90 31 3 35,236 135 816",50cal. •. 146",53cal. .. 43" ...... 421" .. 421" .. (') \ 874 90 31 3 35,236 135 816",50cal. .. 146",53cal. .. 43" ...... 421" .. 421" .. (') :~~t~~a: :::::::::::: :::: :~~:::: :::::::::: 874 90 31 3 35,236 135 816",50cal. •. 146",53caL .. 43" ...•.•....· . 421" .. 421" .. (') No.6 (not named) .•.....• do .••.•.....•... 874 90 31 3 35,236 135 816",50cal. •. 146",53cal. .. 43" ...... •.... 421" .. 421" .. (%) 1 Estimated~ 'Not determined. All these ships in 1916 thrJ:l-year proiram. 2696 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 4, -U1titea·states Navy;'Nov. 1., 1918-Continued. ARMORED CRUISEBS. Battery. ~ Com- Dis- sioned. ment. Turret. Secondary. 0 _------''------N-a.m-e.------l--nus-·--- -Len-g-th_. _B_ea_m.__ D_ra_f_t. ___ p_la_oe- __ _S_pee_d_._ l ------l------l-~-St~~g~~o~ugb-e-~-I-- M-en.- r~~;.- Feet. Ft. in. Ftet. Tons. Knots. Frederick 1 •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• _ •••••••• 1905 503 69 26 15,000 48", 4.5 cal. ... {46", 50 cal. ... 979 6-1 6! 22i 10 3"' 50 cal . .. Huntington t ••••••••••••••••••• : •••••••••• •••• • •••••••••• 190.3 ti03 69 6-} 26 15,000 48", 45 cal. ... {4 6''; 50 cal. ..• 979 64 22i 10 3 ', 50 cal. .. t"····218" ··: · 11 Montana ..•...... •...... • : .... : ...•••...... 1908 27 50 caL ... •••• 64 ::04 72 10} 16,000 221 410", 40 caL .. e6'',12 3", 50 cal. . . }4 21 1000 North Carolina ...... •...... : ••.••.••... 1908 504 721Qi 27 16,000 22 410", 40 cal ... {46", 50 cal .... 1000 M 12 3", 50 cal. •. ~21" .•.. 15,()()()- {4 6", 50 cal. ... Pittsburgh ' ...... •...•...•...... •..••...... 1905 W4 69 6! 26 22z 4 S", 45 cal. ... 10 3", 50 CJ.l. .. }218" ••.• 979 64 {4 6", 50 cal. ... Pueblo • ...... •.••...•.•...•...... 1903 69 6-} 26 15,000 8~'. II •••• 979 6-1 504 221 4 4.5 cal. ... 10 3", 50 cal. .. }21 6) {4 6", 50 cal. ... Eouth Dakota ...... ~ ...... •..•.....••..••...... 190S 504 6} 26 15,000 22} 48'_', -iS caL ... 10 3", 50 cal. .. !218'' .... 979 64 {4 6", 50 cal. ... Eeattles ...... ••...... 190-3 W4 72 10! 27 16,00J 22} 4 10", 40 cal •.. 12 3", 50 caL .. 4 21'.' .•.. 1000 1 6<1' 1 Formerly Marylanci. 1 Formerly West Virginia. 3 Formerly .Pennsylvania. 4 Formerly Colora CRUISERS, FIRST CLASS. Battery. Com- D' 1 Ma ~arne. mis· Length. Beam. Draft. ISP ace- Speed. 1------.------1 Men. sioned. ment. rines. Main. Secondary. ------·1------·------11------J·------1--- 1896 Fttt.402 Ft.64 in.8 Feet.25! Tom.10, ooo Knots.21!- 8 S", 35 cal.... 8 5", 40 cal. . . . .,...."" 1 61 ~~n~:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 1905 426 66 0 241 10, 800 22 12 6", 50 cal... 4 3", 50 cal. . . . 681 . 4& llochester ...... 1893 ' 384 64 10 2~ 8, 900 21 4 8", 45 cal. . . . 10 5", 50 cal. .. 517 40 t.t. Louis ...... 1906 426 66 0 241 9, iOO 22 12 6',, ro cal... 4 3", 50 cal. . . . '681 13 Milwaukee lost. Each ship has· also 2 3", 50 cal. A. A. SCOUT CRUISERS, SECOND CL.!SS. [10 in number, all or same size, design, and equipment.] Kame. Length. Beam. Draft. Speed. Main battery. Men I Ma- S10ned.~- D~~ce-• 1 Tf~r~o(deck). · rines. 1 No. Ha. .•..• ....•...•.•.. ••••..•.••••••..••••..••••• .•.•..••..•••••••.•. .••.••.. F'fu -.., F'l¥1 rf.'.-,. j_x_no_b_s_-~-8-6'-',_53_Ca_l.______._2_2I_'_'_tW_l_. --:r=:~ Percentage completed: No.4, 32.4; N'o. 5, 21.5; No.6, 17; Nos. 9 and 10, 8; Nos. 7, 8, 11, 12, and 13. 0 . .All these ships in 1916 three-year program. Each ship has 2 3", 50 cal. A. A. . . CRUISERS-SECOND CLASS • Com- Displace- Nam& I mis- Length. Beam. Draft. Speed. Battery. Men. Ua.- sioned. ment. rineJ. 1- Feet. Ft. in. Tons. Ft. in. Knots. 1889 342 48 2;i 4,500 19 0 18 4 5" 51 cal. ... Chicaj!'o .....•...... ••..•.•..•.. ·····-····· ·•·••·••·•·•·· ··•· · 1 382 Columbia ...... •...... •.•....••.•.....•.....•.•.....•... 1894 413 58 2 8,270 24 6 22~ 3 6', 45 cal.; 411 13 44:',40cal. Minneapolis . .••...... •.....•.....••...... ••.•...... •••••.. 1894 U3 58 2 8,270 24 6 23 3 6" 45 cal.; 438 44'' 40cal. Olympia . ....•...... •...... •...... ••...•...•...... 1895 344 53 0! 6, 5()8 25 0 21! 105", 51 cal. ... 391 CRUlSERS-TIIIRD CLASS • .. Battery. T~~~~o Name. ~~- Length. Beam. Displace- Draft Speed. 1------.,------1 above Men. / sioned. ment. aft. r ~Iames . Main. Secondary. water. ------1------1------1---- Feet. Feet. Tons. Ft:in. Knots. l· Albany ...... • ...... 1900 354 43 3,954 19 1 20} 303 Anniston ...... •... 1894 269 37 2,212 16 3 19 ~ ~::;~8~t::: "43-~~~~~~::: :::::::::: . 245 Birmingham ...... 1908 423 47 4,687 18 9 24 4 5",5lcal. ... 23' ,50cal. ... 221" ... . 362 ...... is Chattanooga ..•..•..•...... 190-t 308 44 3,514 17 0 16} 8 5", 50 cal.... 6 G-pdr ...... 279 1908 423 47 4,687 18 9 4 5", 51 cal.... 3 3", 50 cal.... 2 21" ... . 362 gr~~ii _. .-:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 1894 306 42 3,339 19 6 ig~ 9 5", 40 cal.... 4 6-pdr ...... 259 33 1903 308 44 3,514 17 0 16~ 8 5", 50 cal. . . . 6 6-pdr...... 279 £1:~~~~~~:: ~:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 1904 308 44 3,514 17 0 16! 8 5", 50 cal.... 6 6-pdr ...... 2i9 39 Des Moines ...... •...... 190i 300 44 3,lil4 17 0 1~ 8 5", 50 cal. •.• 6 6-pd:r .·...... •...... • 279 19 OaJYeston ...... : ... . 1905 308 44 3,514 17 0 16} 8 5", 50 cal. . . . 6 6-pd:r •....•...... 279 38 Marblehead ...... •...... ·... ·...... •••...... 189i 269 37 2,212 16 3 181 8 4", dO col. .•..•••.•.....•...... • 241 New Orle!\lls ...••...•••...... •..•...•.•.... 1898 354 4'3 3,954 19 1 20 8 5", 50 cal.... 2 1-pdr ...... • 303 R-aleigh ..•.••.•••• '"~ ••.•••.•.....•...... •...••..••••.. 189-i 305 42 3,339 19 6 21 9 5", ~10 cal. .. ~ 4 6-pdr ....•...... • 262 &11\m . ....••• : ••..••..•...... •...... •.....•••...... 190S 423 47 4,687 18 9 2ii 4 5", 51 cal.... 6 3", 50 cal... . 2 21" ... . 362 !Tacoma ...... ••..... : ...•....•... : ...... •...•.....•... 1904 308 44 3,514 17 0 16l 8 5", 50 cal.... 6 6-pdr ...... -- -.- - . 279 1919. 'CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. .. ~ . '2697 . . ·., .. United States Navy, Nov. 1, 1918-Contmued.1 HONITORS. _ Battery. Com- Dis Name. IDis- Length. Beam. Draft. place Spood.l------~------sloned. ment. Turret. 1 Secondary. ------J---:------1------!------l--- Fut. Feet. Ft. in. ·Tons. Knots. Amphitrite ...... •...•..•...... •.. 1895 262 55 14 6 3, 990 10.5 4 10'', 30 c:ll .•. 2 4", 40 cal.; 2 211 ;t~-; 2 1- Cheycrme •...... • • . • . . • 1902 255 50 12 6 3,230 11.8 2 12", 40 cal . .. 4 4", 50 cal.; 2 200 6-£.dr.; 2 1- p . Monadnock...... •...... • •. .• •.. ••... 1896 262 [.5 14 6 3,990 11.63 4 10", 30 cal. .. 2 4", 40 cal.; 4 :?17 6-£.dr.; 2 1- p . Monterey...... 1893 :060 59 14 10 4,084 13.6 210" 30cal.: 6 6-Itdr.; 1 1- 217 2 12',1 35 cal. P r. Ozarkt ...... :...... 1902 255 00 12 6 3,215 12.03 2 12'', 40 cal. .. 4: 4", 50 cal.; 2 ~) 6-~.; 21- P r . .falbhassee 3 ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• ~...... • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 1903 255 50 12 6 3,225 12.4 2 12'', 40 cal. .. 4 4", 50 cal.; 2 200 6-pdr. •Tonopah 4••••••••• ••• • • • • • •• • •• • • •• • • • • •• •• •••• •• ••• • •• • •• • • • • • • • • •• • • • • • •• • • 1903 255 50 12 6 3,250 13.04 2 12", 40 cal. .. 4 4", 50 cal.; 2 209 ~~-; 21- 1 Formerly Wyoming. J Formerly Arkansas. a Formerly Florida. 'Formerly Nevada. The CheyennE', Ozark. Tal:ahas~e3, and Tonopah have 13", 50 cal.};.. A. SPECIAL TYPE. Com Name. mis Duty. Length. Beam. Draft. D~it~ Battery. Men. sioned. Ft. in. Ft. in. Ft. in. Tom. Aroostook ...... •....•...... ••.. 1917 Mine planter ...... 395 0 52 2 16 0 3,800 1 5", 51 cal.; 2 3", 50 cal. A. A.; 2 295 machine. Daltimore...... •...... ••••••... 1890 . •.•• do ...... •... 335 0 4S 7~ 19 6 4,413 4 5", 51 cal.; 2 3", 50 cal. A. A.; 2 291 machine. Black Hawk...... •...... -. 1918 Mine force repair ship ...•... 420 2~ 53 9 28 5 13,500 4 5", 51 cal.; 2 machine ...... 421 Canandaigua ...... _...... •.... 1918 Mine planter ...... 405 1 48 3 22 6 7,620 1 5", 51 cal.; 2 3", 50 cal. A. A.; 2 350' machine. Canonicus ...... · ...•...... •....•... 1918 . .... do .•...... · ...... •.. 405 1 48 3 22 6 ..... do .•...... •...... 350 Housatonic ...... •...... ••..... 1918 ..... do .•...... •...•.. 405 1 48 3 22 6 ?~~ ... . . do ...... 350 Quinnebaug ...... 1918 ..... do ....••...... 375 0 42 0 18 6 5,150 15", 51 cal.; 2 3", 50 cal. A. A.; 2 329 machine. Roanoke ...... •...•.•..••...... •...•.. -- 1918 ..... do ...•...... •.••...... 405 48 3 22 6 7,620 1 5", 51 cal.; 2 3", 50 cal. A. A.; 2 35) machine. !:!an Francisco ...... •.•..•.••...... •.•...•.•.•... 1890 ...•.do ...... •..... 324 6 49 2 18 9 4,083 4 5", 51 cal.; 2 1-pdr.; 2 machine .. 301 Saranac ...... •....•...... -..•.... ---. 1917 .•.••do ...... ••.. 375 0 42 0 18 6 5,150 1 5", 51 cal.; 2 3", 50 cal. A. A.; 2 329 machine. Sha wmnt...... •..•...... : ...... 1917 ..••. do ...... •..••.•.... 395 0 52 16 0 3,800 1 5", 51 cal.; 2 3", 50 cal. A. A.; 2 ~"96 machine. 26 0 12,585 273 10 7 9.30 t ~::: ~ :l~: ~~~~~: :::::::::::::::: 32 ~~~~i:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: --~~-- . i~i~~c~::~:~~~:: mt ~ 1~ 20 11 10,600 45", 51 cal.; 43",50cal. A. A ..... 193 plete. · Number2; ...... •...... •.....•.•.... Building, 5.5 per cent com- 482 9! 60101 2011 10,600 ..... do ...... •....•...... 193 plete. Nnmber 3 (repair ship) ...... Building,Opercentcomplcte.••..••.. 67 6 18 6 10,000 ..... do ....•...... Nos. 1 and 2 are ammunition ships. SUPPLY SffiPS. Dis Name. si~d. Length. Beam. Draft. place Speed. Battery. Men. Com· - ~ I ment. ------r-----i------l-----ll------1------Ft. in. Ft. in. Ft. in. Ton.•. Knots. Bridg!' .... ·······················································--············ 1917 422 11 55 2! !D 8 8,500 14.0 45", 50 cal.; 1 machine •..•.. 150 Celtic ...... •...... •.•....•••...••.•••••••••••••.•••••••••••••••••••••••• 1898 383 1 44 7 21 0 6,750 10.5 4 3", 50 cal.; 1 3'', 50 cal. A. A. 157 CnlgoJ ...... •...•..•.. .••.••••.••...••...•.•••.•.•.•..•.••••.••. 1898 3464 43 0 21 9 6,000 13.25 4 3", 50 cal. •...... ••.....•.. 165 Glari£'r ....•...... •...... ••..•...... •.••••..••••..••..•....•••. 1898 388 7 46 1 25 4 R,325 12.3 15", 51 cal.; 23", 50 cal. .... 103 Supply ...... •...•.•.•.•.••...••.•..•.•••.•...••. 1902 355 8 43 4 19 5 4,325 9.66 6 6-pdrs.; 41-pdr ••.•..••.. -- 152 Dimensions, etc., of destroyers built and under cons!ruction. Din~ensions of u 8, type submarines. [There is some variation in type.] [They dilrer somewhat in design.] Dis- Cost,_ Length. Beam. Draft. place- approxt- Speed. Battery. Men. Speed. ment. mate. Dis- Cost,_ ------Length. Beam. Draft. place- approxt- Battery. Men. Feet. Feet. Feet. Ton.!. Knots. ment. mate. Sur- Sub- 3H 31 9 1,270 82,000,000 35 Guns: 4 4" 50 cal., 2 114 face. merged. 3" 23 cal. Torpedo ------tubes: 4 21" triple ---- decktuboo. Feu. Feet. Feet. Tom. Knots. Knots. zn 21 13 800 $1,300,000 15 12 1 4" gun; 4 tubes 3i 1 with 10 21" Dimensions of u Eagle ' patrol vessels. torpedoes. Dis- Length. Beam. Draft. place- Speed. Battery. Men. Naval hospitals i1~ operation on Nov. 11, 1918. ment. PERMANENT HOSPITALS. ------(Including temporary additions.) Feet. Feet. Feet. Tons. Knots. Beds. ~()() ~ ~ [;()() 18 Guns: 2 4" .'iO caL, 1 3" 50 cal. 44 157 1 Y depth-bomb projector. 2 825 machine guns. 758 ~i~~i:~~=;~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~==~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1,31& 2698 . CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-ROUSE. FEBRUARY 4, . Na~:aZ ltospitals in opct·ation on Nov. 11, 1918-Contlnued. li'OREIGX TEliPOR.All.Y HOSPITALS-continued. Beds. Beds. 704 United States naval hospital{ Gibraltar______· 75 177' ITnited States naval ho pita , Cardiff, ~ales------~- 75 -~h;!~~~~~~·Annapolis. 1\!d------n~ac======: 343 United States naval hospital, Plymout11, England ______:::_ _ 75 1,499 United States naval ho pital, Genoa, Italy ______:.:.... 50 151 United States naval hosp!tal, Corfu, Greece------100 ~~J.f~l~,Pen neola, linad._s~-c======·======: Fla ______237 New Orleans, La------~------209 Total------______-. --3-,-5-69- Grea t Lakes, IlL ______2,265 E'ort Lyon, ColO------ 526 Total capacity ------A 18, 701 ~are IRland, Cal------834 Puget 'ound, ~ash ______241 Kat;y killed and 1t:Otm ded in the 1.car. Pearl Harbor. llawaiL ______40 Canacao, P. I ------185 105 Officers. Enlisted force. 31 99 St. Thomas, Virgin IslandS------29 Killed. I Wounded. Killed. Wounded. ~g~~~~~;,¥}3:~~=~=~======~======223 Ke-y ~est, Fl:.t------·------1 -~--- Total------~------10,953 Navy ...... 1,386 623 1, 587 8,94~ TEMI'ORARY HOSPITALS. ~a:s~a~1~::::::::::::::::::::::::: 121 League Island, Pa ______254 ,~ ~------~ ----1----- Charleston. S. C------ 360 Total ...... 201 1 296 3,094 9,565 Hampton Roads, Va------645 Gulfport, Miss------168 98 750 The Medical Department personnel a signed to take care of New~~P:a~ala~P~k:-N~-Y======London. Conn ______223 the sick and wounded of this force consists of 3,018 medical San Diego, CaL------500 officers, 485 dental · officers, 1,386 nurses, and 15,294 Ho pital Quantico, .Va ------,.------301 Corps men, appointed, enlisted, or enrolled either in the regular Total------3,2!)9 s~rvice or in the \arious reser-re corps. ' IIOSPITA.L SHIPS. Sumrnm·y of vessels in the United States Na-vy, Nov. 1, 1918. Beds. Fit for service, Name. ~~~~- Length. including Under Authorized those under construction. but not yet Total. ------1------repair. placed. Comfort ...... ·.... 1918 429 315 Type. Mercy...... 1918 429 315 Solace...... 1898 377 250 Num- Dis- Num- Dis- Num- Dis- Num- Di place- Hospital ship No.1 (building) ...... 483 her. E:!~t ber. E1::it ber. E1!~t ber. ment. ------1---1------Battleships, single Tons. TIY11s. AMBULANCE BOATS. Tons. Tons. caliber...... 16 4.03,450 11 399,800 2 86,400 29 9,650 Battlesh.ips, mixed 1918 None. 23 308,146 1918 122 None. B~~~iliSei-S:::::: ---~- -~~·-~~~ - ----6- '2ii;soo· :::: :: :::::::: · 6 211. 00 1918 1.2.5~ I None. Armored cruisers. .. 8 111, 900 ...... 8 m;ooo :;.~~:;,:_ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I }.ionitor.s...... 7 24, 964 ...... 7 24,9tH Cruisers, first class.. 4 36, 765 ...... 4 36,765 QUARA.i."'ITINE SHIP, Cruisers, second class...... 4 25,065 10 71,000 ...... H 96,035 Cruisers, third class. 15 47 20 15 47, 20 (?) Destroyers...... 92 m;7s6 "238- "286;676 .... i2. 'i4;58o· 13'12 395,0l2 Kowar~---·········· · ···--········------·····------1--·--·--··1 311 1 Coast torpedo ves- sels ...... 15' 6,275 15 6,275 FLOA.Tnl" Relative standing of the navies of the U'01'ld in 1917. [Furnished by the Office of Naval Intelligence, Navy Department.] Great Britain. Germany. AustriarHun United States. France. Japan. Russia. Italy. gary. Num- Tons. ~~bJlumer. Num ber. Tons. ber. Tons. Tons. Tons. N=- Tons. ------1·------·------nattleships.-... -...... 57 1, 137, 150 38 682,349 32 695,098 19 35J, 735 12 227, 297 14 250,009 12 195,200 11 13 '501 ·Dattlecruisers...... 11 2-13,500 5 115,162 ...... 4 110,000 ...... Crui ers...... 23 (?)269,950 35 153,7<19 9 125,580 5 26,344- 13 13 ,483 16 102,895. 5 44,578 2 13,000 Light cruisers ...... (?)90 (?)410;235 ...... 14 06,410 ...... 10 43,210 ...... 10 22,2i2 6 1,700 Coast defense...... 35 83,610 ...... 4 12,900 1 8, 800 -...... -...... -. -...... 3 24, 900 D~ s troyers ...... __ ..... 226 192,361 137 86, 666 49 43,471 75 38, 130 53 25,968 113 89,010 30 15, 572 23 12, 9i8 Torpedoboats...... 66 10,083 ...... 6 2,128 94 94,140 19 2,384 ...... 90 13, 367 62 12,420 SuLmarines ...... 172 28,635 47 20,314 39 14,430 59 24,820 16 3, 414 49 20,437 21 5, 449 25 4, 598 Total...... ~ 2,375~564 262 l,OoS1 24b 1531 869,011 270' 642,386 127 550,756 192 462,351 . 168 396, 73S 132 ' 225,697 'I. J919. CONGRESSIONAL REQORD-HOUSE. 2699 Relative standing of the rzaz:ies of t-he uorld in 19!7'-Continued. . Austria-Hun- Great Britain. I Germany.. 1_u_ru_·_t..,...ed-St_a_te_s_. -1--F-·r:-a.n_ca_. --l---Ja:-p_a_n_.__ , ___R-:t,....ls-·in_. --I---:I:-ta-ly_.__ , __g,a_ry_. __ . N:. Tons. 1';:.·1 Tons. ~~~ Tons. N~l Tons. 'i:.-· Tons. K~- Tons. ~-~ Tons. I~ Tons .. J... ~~------'l:--'11'----1·-- ---:----;--;:---11------,------'----- .BUILDING AND Elt01EC'IED. ~Iattleships ••••••••.••••• ~--~·-·--···· 2 53,'250 1 19,192 9 ' 288,000 { ~l h~;~ } 4 (?)123,800 1 27,000 120,000 96,452 l!Battlo cruisers ...... '-...... 1 17,500 2 54,ooO 1 4 128,000 ...... ?erws:ers ...... ----·------·---·--· 3 . 13,100 ·oo;ooo ~:> ...... 29 .... 32;053· .... 7. --·s;soo· .... 9. --··9;ioo· .... 9. "ii;97o· 1~ ~;igg :::::: :::::::: '&lbmarines.- ...... -...... 19 28,000 '(2) 36 22,005 25 (1) 6 3, 200 (2) .. --..... 42 20,4.51 ...... -7-5-+--16-1-,8-50_, __3-l--73-,-19-2- l--82_,__ 500_"-.-058 __ , __ 4_1_,_2-48-,-4·50- 157,437 1---w-1185,270 168,051 116,402 Total ...... ~1 ~1 jro 1 Not laid down. 2 UnJmovm. The above figureS lll'O based upon the most .authentic information on file in this •Office and rcp.rese::tt the approximate stren,O'fh, standing, nnd pmgram January l• 1917, .a! 11m -above-named powers. JUlatir:e st4nding of the navies of the W{)Tld in 1919. _o_r_ea~t~B_n_·_ta_in__ ._ _u__ w_·t~e-d_s_t_a_te_s_._, ___o_e~rm __ a_n_y_. ___ ,____ J a_p_an__ . ___ ,___ _Fra_·~n-ce_. __ -1 ·----R~us--~__ • ___ ,____ I t_ru_y_. ____· ~u~~~un- 1 1 7 7 Nnmber. • I Tons. Nnm-ber. Tons. ~-ber. · Tons. Num-ber. Tons. Num-ber. 1 Tons. Num-ber. Tons. Num-ber. Tons. TW:n-1ber. Tons. ------:-- :----I------J3attleshlps...... 55 1,103,900 39 711,596 30 464,777 13 273,427 18 338,976 13 220,502 11 177,350 11 13a,501 Bnttle cruisers...... 9 205,500 .....- ...... 1 27,000 7 152,950 ...... ,u ...... ers...... 24 300,150 8 111,900 29 127,629 12 113,242 18 185,957 12 93,050 5 45,696 8 21,4:i2 Light cruisers...... :...... 73 296,045 13 55,160 ...... 9 3<1,84.5 1 2,421 ...... 6 19,-538 ...... =~~~~X::'d:~yai-8::::::::::::::: 3~~ 3~;~ 10~ ~~;~ "i7a· ·--.u;soo· --:65. ·--a7;i77 .... 65 ... 37;505· ·-ioo· --~7;iso- 4~ a!:~~ ... 2i. --ii;57i Torpedobo:1ts...... 34 9,576 ...... 101 18,857 24 2,~84. 79 7,312 ·---- ...... 96 15,148 50 ~0,397 Submarinus...... :...... 140 (1) 84. 32,176 116 116,545 16 ..3, 414 58 22,026 44 19,533 78 ('!)21,645 12 3, 465 Total...... 736 12,273,781 '253 1, 002,792 ""'450 826,637 146 618,039 I 239 594.f 197 169 400, 265 24 (?}315, 977 102 .185,:885 .. :_. __: ::: :: ...... }_ ." .. :: :: :::::::::: .... '. ~CBrw£er~s:.!s_~_,~_e·_.,'""_·~-----~·.·~ ·_~;_:.~.-~.E_:._~_:_:_~ -.·.:·~-- ~_.:_·_.: ·.·.·.·.~---~----~-~-~.:.~_·_·_·_, ~10 ii3, 900 8 4 16_.~:Of>l 000 ...... ·-~ '~:Of>l.[ I..-~-- -~:~...... 4 .130,~:...,. 200 ...... 6 --~·45j19, 9&J Light cruisers...... 21 125,235 ...... '4 ...... 7 24,500 ...... 8 57,600 ...... -· ... . • Torpedo-boat destroyers...... 115 141,855 237 · 286,779 ...... '...... { "1~ ~~)700 } 1 .890 17 21,650 .16 19,435 ...... Torpcdoboots ...... --·-·· ...... - .. ····---·· 6!0 ...... Sunmarines...... •...... 79 66_.871 .s 83 · 1i8,69-i ...... 24.__,800 { ~ MXXJ } s (1) 1 650 11 3,399 ...... Total...... 219] 498,761 349 1,116,389 13 00,800 24 167,200 1-l 125,040 31 237J400 31 23,474 10 116,4!>'~ lUnknown. • 4 Not L'\id down. 1 Tonnagellilk:nown. '4 authoriz6U, not laid down. ~Laid down;-tonnage unknown. s Includmg 9 not laLd down. .a 1lrud down. 6 41liine-laying cruisers laid down. Non.-BattlE'Ships, battle cruisers. crn..isern, light cruisers, and coost defense vessels over 20 years of age not included. Torpedo-boot destroyers, torpedo boats, and osubmarines·over 15 :years of n~c not included. · German vessels surrendered to the allies not included in the abm·e compilation. RllSsian >essels in the hands ofthe Germans not included in German or Russian fi!rnfes. Theentirenavy oi Amtria-Hungary, according to the bes.tinformation on file in this office, is in the hands of the.Jugo-Slavs. The ships aTe being paid off and-rendered h:mnlcss. , The warship coitstruction of the Russian Navy has ceased and litlle :work hns been done since June, 1917. While Germany rllilks third according to tonnage, :her reB I pmition, according to fighting ships ana gun power, is fi.Ith. The Turkish Navy is in the hands of the.allies. THE CO:\fBATA~T X.!VY 0~ MAIL 1, :t91D, TirE COll.Cn.iT.:\XT X.:l.Yl: OX M.ln. 1, l!ll9--C.ontinucd. IlEC.E.M.nEU 1.3, .1918. Number Number The office of the Chief of Naval Operations bas laid 'OUt plans for the of ships. of men. operations of the naval forces which involve the elimination of all craft 1n use temporarily for the war. The estimates for ------THE 01\IBA'l'A:'\T X.AYY OX MAll. 1, 1919-COntinued.------·-- J,OSSES Oli" A...\LEBICAX YESSELS DURING THE WAR-continued. Number Numb<'r of ships. of men. K arne. ~~ ---C-Ias__ s_. --•!---T_o_pn__ a_ge_._ _L_lo_i~_t_.s_, ______Da-te_. ___ _R__em __ o_rks __ ._ 1 1 MISCELLANEOUS .Additional for new construction to July 1, 192): SThJaNGS-eon. 1 Batpnan ...... Trawler ..... 304gross ..... None. - Jan. 12,1918 E:~~~~~:::-1;~; ::: :+:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 1s! J;~~ Gmnevere...... Yacht...... 499 gr_9S)L .• ~ . . Nope. JIUl. 25, 1918 Struck rock. Elfreda...... do...... 164 d\5i>lace-- None. · l!'eb. 21, 1918 ~~~~:·_-_.::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :I 2, ~~ me.ot. Sweepers ...... •...•.. _...... · 17 1,139 Mariner...... Tng...... 220 grPs.s .•... •N Oite~ Feb. 26, 1918 Fo~qered.· ' 1------1------Cherokee.·._ ...... do...... 27~ gross .. : . . 2;S •••.• dQ...... · vo. Total for new coastruction ...... •...• _..... _...... 33, 3_2S Cyclops ••.... . _ Colli9r ...... : ·11),360 dis; 293 .Apr. -21,1918 · Mystepou§l)' ! ====!===.~= placement. · disap• Grand total to m~:1 permanent-Tavy ;wy 1, 192) .. ·-r ·...... -[ 2.i6, Q69 peared. · d No. 3429 ...•.... Motor patrol ...... •...• 2 1ul1 10, 1918 German 191G--'.fHREE·IEAR PROGRAM. !>hore bat~ tecy. ; ~ By the act of August 29, 1916, the so-called three-year building Montauk... _._. Patrol boot.. 641 gross ••••• .Aug. 21, 1918 Dray en program was adopted, providing for 10 battle Wps, 6 battle a$bore. S.c._ o.200 ... Submarine 75gross .•..•• 17 Aug. 27,1918 Shelled by crui ers, 10 scout cruise·r , 9 fleet submarines, 50 lle. troyer ~ , 58 cha!;er. . mistake. coast submarines, 3 fuel (oil) ships, 1 repair ship, 1 ti·ansport, S.C. No. 219 ...... do...... do.. _...... Oct. 9,1913 lnt6rnal et- 1 ho pital ship, 2 destroyer tenders, 1 fleet submarine tender, Lake Borgne. _. .Army ac- 2,100 gross.... None. Oct. 22, 1918 St~~~~k. 2 ammunition hip. , and 2 gunboats. A total of 156 ships was cmmt. included in this program, but at the present time 6 battleships, Ophir ...... N. 0. T. S •. 7,0 9 ..•...... None. Nov. 11,1918 Internal ex 6 battle cruisers, 2 scout cruisers, and 9 fleet . ubmarines, while plosion. tlesigned; haYe not been laid do\m. Summary. LOSSES Oli" A?>IERICAX YESSEI.S Dl:"RI:'\G THE W .iR. The following is a list, acconling to· the most authentic in NAVAL VESSELS. formation on file in the Office of Naval Intelligence, of all naval losses from April 6, 1917, to November 11, 1918: Lives. LiYCS From Apr. 6, 1917, to Nov. u; 1:118: Name. Class. Tonnage. lost. Date. Remarks. 14 103 583 671 5 45;356 54, 15 BY SUBMA- !~ Eli:n~~~:::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: 30,794 65 llfisct>llaneous ...... _. _... RTh'ES. 14 31,128 346 Antilles ...•.... Transsort... 6,87S gross .... 70 Oct. 17,1917 Tor~:.osd. Total number. Navy vessels. ... _.. _...... 48 210,861 1,142 .Alccdo ...... Arme yacht 981 gross ..... 20 Nov. 5,1917 Jacob Jones .... Destroyer ... 1,265 gross .... 62 Dec. 6,1917 Do. lfERCHANT VESSELS. Lake Moor ..... C a r g o 1,955 gross .... 45 Apr. 11,1918 Do. st<'amer. Rockefeller, Tank('r ...... 7,157 gross ...• 3 May 18,1918 Do. Wm. }'ro~;~'b~ri~~!;_:~. ~~~~: _6~ -~~~~:-. _____ . ___ . 15 53,671 P r c side n t Transport ... 18,167 gross ... 26 May 31,1918 G3 Do. Dy IDines ...... 5 10,770 4 Lincoln. H y German cruiser Prinz Eitel Frederick. 1 3,374 ...... Covington ...... do ... : .. 16,339 gross ... 6 July 1,1918 Do. Westover ...... Army sup- 8,800 gross.... 8 July 11,1918 Do. Total from .Augu t, 1914, to Apr. 6, 1917 .. 21 ply. 67,815 1 67 Westbridgc r ••• N.O.T.S ... 5,660 gros~ .... 4 Aug. 15,1918 Do. From Apr. 6, 1917, to Nov. 11, 19JC : :Montanan ....•. Army ac- 6,659 gross .... 5 Aug. 16,1918 Do. By submarines...... _: ...... 124 244,385 342 count. Dy raiders ...... 6 4,388 ...... :Mt. V<'mon 2. :. Transport... 1 ,3i2 gro s: .. 36 Sept. 5,1918 Do. Rucna Ventura .Army cargo. 4 ,881 gross .... 64 Sept. 16,1918 Do. 'fotal from Apr. 6, 1917, to Nov. 11, 1918 .. 130 248,772 342 fl'ampa ...... c. a. c ...... 1,181 displace- 112 Sept. 26, 1918 Do. ment. 'l'otal number merchant \e' cl . _...... 151 315,588 4.()') Ticonderoga a••• .Animal 5,130 gross .... I 216 Sept. 30, 1918 Shelled and 'l'otal number Navy ve_sels ...... _.. _.. 49 210,861 1, 14-l cargo. torpedoed. DY )fiNES. Grand totaL ...... _...... _...... :;m 526,449 1,553 Pratt, Herbert Tanker ...... 7,145 gross .... None. June 2,1918 L.• Major wzits of tl!e stltTC11llerea German fleet. Californian ..... Cargo ...... 5,65S gross .... None. June 23,1918 San Diego ...•.. Crui er ...... 1~,6.'l0 d i s- 50 July 19, 1918 Date or Displace- placement. comple- Bet Speed. Guns (main bat- :Minnesota • .... Battle hip .. 16,000 dis- None. Sept. 29, 1918 tion. ment . armor. tery). ~lacement. 2, 73 gross ...• Saetia ...... N. 0. T. S .. Nov. 9,1918 DREADNA UGHTS. Tons. Inches. Knots. BY COLUSION. Bayern...... • 1916 28,000 14 22.5 815", 16 5.9". Koenig ... _.. _...... 1914 25,4)() 13} 22 10 1b';,_l.4 5.9:~. Mohawk ...... Reveuue 1,14 dis None. Oct. 1,1917 Grosser Kmfurst .. _..•• 1914 25,4)() 13t 22 cutter. placement. Markgr.!.L...... _...... 1914 25,4)() 131 22 Do. Chauncey •••• _•• Destroyer. _. 592 displace- 18 Nov. 19,1917 Kronprinz Wilhelm .... 1915 25,4)() 13i\ 22 Do. ment. Kaiser ...... 1912 24, 500 13l 23 Do. ' 8. C. No. 141. .. Submarine 75 gross ...... None. Dec. 13,1917 Kaiserin ...... 1913 24,500 131 23 Do. <'ha.ser. K()('nig Albert ...... 1913 13~ 23 Do. F . I...... Submarine ...... 19 Dec. 17,1917 Friederich der Grosse ... 1912 ~:~ 131 23 Do. Zaanla.nd ...... Cargo ...... 5,417 gro None. May 13,1918 R('g('nt Lnitpola ...... 191a ~.500 13-~ 23 Do. WakivalL .... Yacht ...... 85-3 gross ...... 2 May 22,1918 Bad('nt ...... 1916 ~8,003 23 8 15", 16 5.9". Schurz ...... CruLer .... _. 1,630 dis- 1 June 21,1918 placement. BATtr.E CRUrERS. Oo terdijk...... :rgo ...... 2-51 gross ... . None. July 11,1918 Hindenburg...... 1917 21,ro1 12 28 8 12", lG 5.9". S. C. No. 187 ... ubmarino 75 gross ...... • None. Aug. 4,1918 Dcrffiinger ....•...... 1914 26,2JO 12 27 8 12", H 5.9". 1 chaser. S<'ydlitz ...... 1913 ~4. 6XJ 11 28 10 11"' 12 5.9~~- S.C. ~0. 60 ...• Submarine 75 gross ...... 2 0ct. 1, 1"13 Moltke ..... _...... 1911 ~2,6XJ 11 2R Do. cha. er. Yon der Tann...... 1910 19, 1')() 9 27 811", 10 5.9::. Herman Frasch Transport 3,803 gross .... 16 Oc t. 4,1918 (Army). SCOUT CRUISERS. S.C. No. 397 ... Submari na 75 gro s ...... Nor: e. Oct. 5,1918 Witl!0-13. BreDlSe ...... 1916 4,0)0 35 4 5.9". chaser. Brummer ...... 1916 4,0)() 35 Do. : Westgate ...... Cargo (Army) ,800 dead- Oct. 7,1918 Emden ...... 1916 4,2)() 30 7 5.9" weight. Karlsruhe ...... 1916 4,2·)() '30 Do. Shaw ...... De troyer ... 1,100 dis- 12 Oct. 9,1918 Nurnberg ...... 1916 -1,2)() 30 Do. placement. Fnmkfurt...... 1916 5,11)() 30 8 5.9". I Tarantula.... : . Special pa- ...... None. Oct. 2 '1918 Koln 2 ••••••• • •• • • • ••••• 1917 li, 300 33 7 5.9". trol. Dresden ...... 1918 ...... 7 5.9''. lll CELLANEOUS SINK IN OS. I Surrendered on Jan. 11 in place or Mackensen. 2 Not yet given up. ' Rehoboth...... A r m e d 254 gross ..... None. Oct. ,1917 trawler. All or the dreadnaughts and battle cruisers, with the exception or the :Uoltke are equipp('d with 5 submerged torpedo tubes, firing the latest ~inch German torpedo. S. C. No. 117 ... S u t>marine 75 gross...... ' one. Dec. 21,1917 Durn e A7Tied an·a neutml shippinu lost by enemy actio1~, Ali!J. 1, 191.4, to Advance informatl{)n official received that this regiment will move at K Ot'. il, 1918. 10 p. m. 30 May l>y bns to new era. All trains shall he loaded at once t~t} ~.~ah~~nts hast~ ned. Wagons, when loaded, will move to SCL therefore not won auf! could not be won until Belleau 'Vood llad back tbe new diYision which had ·ought to wrest the positio!l been cleared of the enemy. _ from them. It was June 6 that the attack of the Amet·ican troops-began And so it \~ut. Day after day, night after night, while time n"·ainst that wood auu its adjacet!t surroundings, with the wood after time messages like the following traveled to the post com· it~ elf-·an and you held the ·ground gained with a tenacity which is unsurpassed starboard in a circle. In an effort to put the ship on a course in the annals of war. - As a direct result of yonr victory, the German armies east and west by the use of the engines, something carried away which put the of Rheims are in full retreat, and by drawing on yourselves several starboard engine out of commission. The port. engine was kept German· ·divisions from other parts of the front you greatly assisted going at slow speed. The ship, being absolutely unmanageable, the victorious advance of the allied armies between Ca.mbral and St. QuPntin. sometimes turned in a circle and at times held an approximate Your heroism and the heroism of our comrades who died on the battle course for several minutes. · field will live in history forever and will be emulated by the young men Immediately after the ship was torpedoed the radio was out of our country for generations to come. . To be able to say when this way is finished, " I belonged to the Second of commission. The radio officer and radio electrician chief ·Division, I fought with it at the battle of Blanc Mont Ridge," will be managed to improvise a temporary auxiliary antenna: The gen• the highest honor that can come to any man. · erators were out of commission for a short time after the ex· . JOHN A. LEJEUNE, Major General, Ut1itea States Marine Corps, Co·mmanaing. plosion, the ship being in darkness below. At about 2.30 p.m., when we were in approximately_the same MARKSMANSHIP A!IIAZES ALLIES. position as when torpedoed, a submarine conning tower was Thus it is that the United States Marines have fulfilled the sighted on port beam, distant about 1,500 ·yards, ship still glorious traditions of their corps in this their late.st duty as the circling under port engine. Opened fire with No. 2 gun, firing . "soldiers who go to sea." Their sharpshooting-and in one four rounds. Submarine submerged nn ·on: "the port side' of the- promenade- deck ft ha: .:mtllay to near some of 1he-dories and Hfe rafts. After reiDain- About 15 or 20 minutes after the ship sank the submarine ap- ing on the surface nbout hnif an hour, the submarine steered off peared on the surface about 2 or 3 miles to the westward of the and submerged. rafts and gradually approached until about 800 to 1,000 yards I then procee lmow'ledge depended whether the ship should be abandoned in . "Orders for ships in convoy" of the commander cruiser and transport force were at their stations and on the alert. All reasonable and haste. At this time, probably 15 minutes after the explosion, necessary orders to safeguard the water-tight integrity of the ship in the Covington was gradually listing to port. dangerous waters had been gi-ven nnd were being carried out. In such a catastrophe there are two things uppermost in the At or aboqt 11.05 a.. m., J'uly 19, 1918, an explosion took place in proximity of the ~kin of the ship, at .about frame No. 78, on the port captain's mind. Steps •which he must take without sufficient side and well below the water line. As a result of this explosion the knowledge, and those facts obtained from others at a moment ship began to list to port and she finally rolled over and sank bottom of great tension. He must decide first fur the safety of his up at about 11.25 a. m., July 19, 1918. The explosion was an exterior one and as the result of this explosion the skin of the ship was rup crew and second for the safety of the ship. The ship was dead tured in the vicinity of bulkhead No. 78, at the level of the ,port .engine in ·the water, reeling to port and giving one the feeling that any room; and bulkhead No. 78 ·was so deformed that water-tight door No. moment she would take .a heavy lurch and sink. Nearly 1,000 142, between tlle port engine room and No. 8 fireroom, was opened to the ingress of water to No. 8 fire.room. The effect of this rupture was men's lives now hung upon the promptness with which the cap- to immediately fill the port engine room and adjacent compartments, tain made· these decisions. · and No. 8 fireroom was soon fi.Ped also. The effect of this water would · Once the captain's mind was made up, the bugle sounded the give the ship a list of 17~ degrees to port. 'With the increased dis placement water entered through 6-inch gun port N{). 10, which was call to abandon .ship and the word was passed not to hurry. justifiably open to pe.rmit using that gun, when the ship bad listed 91; Silence was also sounded on the bugle, giving this evolution a degrees. This resulted in flooding the· gun deck and accel~rated the strong resemblance to a daily drill. heeling of the ship and her final capsizing. llelatively small quanti ties of water entered the upper dynamo room through nonwater-tight The behavior of the officers and men was wonderful. Twenty voice tubes, but this had no appreciable effect on the sinking of the ship. ·one of the ship's 27 boats were lowered into the water without The captain properly withheld the order to abandon ship until he was lights anywhere, with the ship heavily listed to port, and without certain that the ship would capsize and sink. The ship was abandonecl in good order, and excellent discipline prevailed. Gun crews remained the aid of a single winch, for steam had failed~ The .storage at their guns and continued firing at all suspicious objects until they battery used for emergency lighting was not turned on, as it were forced to jump iuto the water. The captain was the last to leave would disclose the position of the ship and thus risk a second the ship. torpedo from the submarine, which might still have been in the ATTACK 0~ TllEl U. S. S. "MOUNT VERNON." vicinity. Of the six boats not lowered, 2 were on the forecastle, lExh·acts from report of -the commanding o.fficer, Capt. D. E. Dismukes, :f:-om which it was impossible to launch them, and 3 boats were United States Navy.] destroyed ·by the explosion. One boat was stove in while low About 250 miles from the coast of France, '()n the morning of ering. September 5, 1918, the Mount Vernon and Agamen~non in con · Boats and rafts wero lowered in the water with just suffi voy, escorted by .six destroyers, were proceeding homeward bound cient men to handle them, and after all the boats and rafts were from Brest, speed 18 knots {21 statute miles) per ilour. The afloat the order was given -'' abandon ship/' weather was fine and the sea smooth, making it possible to sight It was a stirring sight to 'See the inen go down the Jacob a submarine periscope a long distance. Everything was favor ladders in as orderly procession as if they were at drill. · able, and it looked as though we were about to add one more The destroyer Smith stood close in alongside the Covington trip across the war zone to our credit. and took ·the men from the boats as fast as they were filled, the Suddenly a periscope popped above the surface of the water bpats returning to the ship for more men. • about 500 yards distant. Our starboard gun opened fire at once, A working party of 30 officers, petty officers, and men re but the periscope remained on the surface only a few seconds. mained with the captain in the vicinity of the bridge. This Just as it disappeared, the wake of a torpedo coming straight working party collected the crew's enlistment records, working for the ship was seen, and immediately afterwards the torpedo ChartS, night order book, sextants, and everything of confidential struck us, throwing up a hugh column of water on our stru. other fire room two of the men escaped. The explosion .bla ted boat said, "Come along; she is going now." I looked over at through the outer and inner skin of the ship and througll an the after hatche , and they were under water. I then jumped intervening coul bunker and bulkhead, hurling overboard 7:30 in the boat, cut the sea painter, and got away from the ship's tons of coal. The two men saved were working the tires within side. The poop was pretty near submerged at that time. I saw 30 feet of the explosion and just below the level where the a boat. I hailed it and asked if there was room for some men,. torpedo struck. as I had over my capacity. It was the captain's boat, and he 1 This account would not be complete without the mention of said" Yes." I went alongside, and he took about eight men out the part played by ihe ship's hospital corps and the 150 helple s, of my boat. He then shoved off, and I could not see the boat wounded, and crippled soldiers who had done their part so nobly any more. I heard some one holler, "Pull for the light." We on the battle fields of France and were on their way home and made for the light, and it took us from 11.30 to 1.55, which is deser\ed to gt~ t th8re, 'Vithin a very few minutes after the about 2 hours and 25 minute , to get to the shot·e, which was explosion all of these poor fellows were safely stowed_in their Villajoyosa, Spain. bouts, wrapped in warm blankets, and served with hot soup and other refreshments. They were made so comfortabie in the STEAMSHIP N.A.IA.JO-LOST AUGUST, 1917. boats that they preferred to remain in them all the way back On August 1,1917, at 3.30 p.m., in latitude 48° 30' N., longitude to Brest for a period of about 18 hours. 25° "'\V., the Namjo caught fire. I was sleeping at this time~ I Thirty-five men were killed by the explosion and 13 injured, us it was my watch below. I wus.awakened by the cry of fire. o:Qe of them later dying from his injuries, the large number of Upon arriving on outer well deck I saw that the · entire after casualties being due to the fact that the torpedo struck just at part of the ves el was in flames. I asked the captain if any the time the '""a tell was being relieved. . thing could.be done. He said" No; the oil tanks were bm·ning." The saving of the ship is attributed to the following circum The fire spread so rapidly that it was necessary to take to ~tances; The fact that the water-tight doors were closed, that the lifeboats within five minutes .of the alarm. The boats were the bulkheads were tight and held, that additional strength was lowered; the ship still under full speed, n.s it was impossible gained by blanking off all air-port lenses with steel plate, and to stop the engines. After leaving the ship it was discovered that there \vas an organization well concei\ed and well carried that some of the crew of the steamer were still on board, being out to meet the emergency. unable to get to the boats owing to the intensity of the fire. SINKI~G OF THE U. S. S. u CH.~UXCE'f" 1:-i" COLLISIO~. 'Vord was passed to all boats tO keep together and as near the [Extract from report or. the only surviving officer, Lieut (J. G.) F. K. ship.as possible so as to pick up the crew if necessat·y. As soon: O'Brien, United States Navy, executive officer.] 1 as possible the captain, chief engineer, and myself again The U. S. destroyer Ohattncey was. rammed by the steamship boarded the Na-vajo and discovered that nothing could be done Rose and sunk at 1.46 a.m. on November 19, 1917, shortly after to save the ship. Shortly after' our boats were lowered a sail~ the Ohattncey llad cleared the port of Gibraltar. Of a crew of 91 ing vessel, the Norwegian bark Ooncot·dia, hove in sight. The officers and men, 1 officer and 69 men were saved, ·while 3 offi Norwegian bark picked up om· lifeboats and stood by ·us. We' cers and 18 men were lost. then took our crew from the bark and returned to the Navajo SINKI~G OF THE u. s. COAST GUARD . SHIP (( TAMP.~." to make another attempt to put out the fire. - This was found imposSible. · The greatest disaster suffered by the Coast Guard, anll the 1 largest individual loss of life sustained by our naval forces An unsuccessful attempt was made to tow the Navajo. during the war, occurred on September 2G, 1918, when the cut Tile steering gear aft was destroyed, the quadrant being tei· Tampa was sunk with all hands on board in Bristol Chan warped by fire, so -that it was impossible to steer. her.· The nel, presumably by a torpedo from an enemy submarine. The Navajo was abandoned. In· the morning we again boarded the cutter hacl gone ahead of her convoy, and although a distant Na-va.jo and found that she was filling rapidly. An attempt explosion was heard by the vessels in the convoy, no positive was made again to tow her, but _this failed. endence has ever been received as to the exact cause of the STEAMSHIP JOHX D • .A.RCllfBALD-LOST JUXE, 1017. diSaster. Diligent earch by several destroyers in the vicinity .About 3 p. m., June 1G, 1917, four and one-half hours out ot of-the disaster revealed only two unrecognizable bodies in sailors' Brest, si-ghted what we supposed to be a submarine, 2-i points uniforms and some small pieces of wreckage. Thus peri hed on starboard bow and at a distance. of 6 to 7 miles on the rim 111 brave officers and men. of the horizon. Looked like a large fishing boat or cargo WORK OF TiiE .ARMED · GUARD. steamer of 1,000 or 1,500 tons, appeared to haye a mast and a [From reports of officer in command of guard.] sail which could not be made out on account of the distance STE.A::IISHlP u OW.ASCO " -LOST DECEMBER, 1017. and haze. · Nothing was clearly distinguishable. On sighting ' Ve left Norfolk about November 23, and arrived in Gibraltar the submarine, the John D. A.t·cltibald shifted her course so as on the 6th of December, and we left Gibraltar on the 8th of De to bring the submarine nlJout 3 or 4 points broad on the port celJlber in company with two British, one Norwegian, and our bow. The Yessel began zigzagging as soon as the submarine selve~, at 8 a. m. 'Ve stood up the panish coast within about was sighted, zigzagged G to 8 points to the west and north 3 miles of shore until dark. Then it started to blow up starboard; speed about 10 knots, visibility improvin 17• The sub and rain, and it was lightning, and we lo. t sight of the British marine submerged. The John D . .At·chibald immediately broad s!Jip ahead of the Norwegian. The Norweginn was burning h~r casted general warning on her main radio which has a radius . tern lights pretty bright. I went down to my room and of about 1,000 miles, so I was informed by the operator. Tile straightened up and looked around, and sat there until about gun crews had been at their stations since leaving the harbor 10 o'clock, I guess it 'va-s, and turned in. I had just about dozed of Bre t and were at their station when submarine was sighted. off when I heard a report, or rather felt it. I dressed, got on the About 4 p.m., C. E. :Marson, seaman, at forward gun sighted bridge, and asked what was the trouble. I was standing on the a torpedo on starboard bow at about 600 yards, which he im starboard side of the bridge when I saw something in the water, mediately reported to the captain, who was on the bridge with nnu I said, " What." This was about 11.30 p. m. on the 10th of most of the ship's officers and myself, the captain had the helm December. That is all I got out when she struck. The ship put liard starboard. The torpedo was coming toward the star was swinging to port slowly at the time, and a torpedo hit board beam and appeared to be going·about 32 knots and about forward of the bridge in No. 3 hold, blew off hatches of arne, G or 9 feet below the surface. The torpedo left a wave similar and 'vent into No. 2. The flames shot in the air as high as the to that made by torpedoes of the United States Navy. It ran mainmast. I looked up to see if mast ·was coming down, but straight. I saw the torpedo when it was about 150 yards from . he stayed there. The wirele s aerial, however, came down. the ship. The ship did not answer her helm in time to save The wirele s house lifted off the deck about four feet and her. She was not fairly started on Iler swing at the time she shoved aft. The 'Tireless operator and instruments were all was struck. The torpedo struck the starboard side of the ship on the deck. The captain said, ".AU hands abandon ship." I in line with No.3 boat anu about the center of the engine room. aid, "That is all we can do," for the whole forward part of the There was a terrific explosion, the boat gear was blown away, deck was in flames. The four rpen on watch on the forward and a large volume of water was thrown upward. This oc gun came over the platform on the port side and ran aft, as the cm·red on the starboard side, Th.e port side of the ship was wind was from the port and shot the flames to starboard and not atiecte(}. The engine was stopped instantly by the impact made it possible for them to come aft. .At that time I got to of the explosion. The explos'ion probably wrecked the engines the boat wilich was on the starboard side aft. The after gun's and boilers. The after end of the ship immedilitely sank as crew was standing by with the gun trained to port. I said, far as the main deck. · "You can't see anything, the ship is in flames, . o let'. lower None of the gun crew were injnreu: Three men in the engine the boats." We lo\Yered the boats and all Jmnds got in. 'l'here room were killed instantly and one of. the engine-room crew se-. were orne firemen came along and asked to get in, and I said, Yerely injured. His injury was due to inhaling gas and steam "Jump in." I stood on the deck and waited ancl holleretl if after the explosion. ·He \'\"US fountl (}UtsHle the engine room by there ''us any more on board. I got no reply ; the men in tlie the gun crew- a-midst -wreckage. TI1e capt~in ga \·e abandon ship, and ship's company left in flrc minutes in two was not long in sinking. At daylight of the next morning })oats. neither of the other two boats were in sight. On the afternoon ' Vhile in the lifeboats and astern of the ship anti about 150 of November 3 the wind blew to a gale, which lasted all the yards from her, we saw a periscope about 100 yards away be- time the men were in the bout and which, together with a tween the boatc; and the shjp and on the ship's starboard quarter. steady rain, cn.used the men to suffer from exposure. This periscope w.as smaller than those used in the United States The lifeboat was equipped as follows: One 25-gallon breaker Navy. It was about 2 inches in diameter and showed a. couple of water; two tanks, each about 3 feet square and 10 inches of feet. It was painted a dull greenish paint. There seemed to deep, filled with hard bread. Some of the crew had been eat be something inside of the periscope on the order of a glass tube ing hu1I4 which was rather salty, and drank a great deal of about 1 inch in diameter. which showed before the periscope the water. The captain asked one of them how much water came to the surface. The tube seemed to telescope in the peris- there was, and he said, " Plenty." The captain grew suspicious, scope. ·There was n(} housing or hood on the periscope to be however, and examined the b-reaker himself. He found but seen. We saw the periscope follow a course around the port 5 gallons left. Some of the rain was utilized for drinking, side of the ship. The submn.ri.ne then came to the surface on but owing to the spray that constantly washed over the boat the starboard side of the ship. The boats were then about a not much could be obtained. Regarding an :uticle in a New mile away from the ship making to the eastward under oars. York paper that the captain held the men from the water with The submarine then fired abo-ut 10 shots into the ship. The ship a revolver, this story is wholly false. One man, an oiler listed to starboard and sank astern first. Immediately after the. who was thirsty, said if he did not get water he would jump John D. Archibald sank the submarine submerged, or perhaps overboard. As he W3S making himself disagreeable, he was told a little before. A short while afterwards a passing French to "jump ahead.'' He did not attempt it, however. One of steamer fired on No. 1 boat, mistaking her for a submarine. the men had rr bad wound in his thigh, caused by the ex She afterwards discovered her mistake and ceased firing. The plosion of the torpedo. This wound was attended to as well steamer came alongside of No. 2 and offered to rescue. The as could be done under the cirenmstanees, with the aid of a mate in charge thought it unwise to imperil the ship attd expose first-aid packet. When this man was examined on arrival in. her to submarine attack, so declined help and requested the port by a physician, he stated that it was the cleanest wound. steameJr to proceed, which she did, and escaped. This French he had ever seen, probably due to the cold and salt water. At steamer said she would notify the patrols: The steamer passed 2 a, m. on November 7 Tory lsland light was sighted. The on to the east. The boats in the meantime had gotten together. captain ordered the sail lowered and an improvised sea anchor At about 9 p. m. dusk, sighted ri. submarine on the surface put out~ 3S the coast was strange and there was a heavy sea. bearing to the east of the boats and at about a distance of 2,000 At daybreak, while looking for a place to land, a British patrol yards. At . the same time three French patrol boats were seen boat was observed. This patrol boat picked up the members of coming from the west at about 12 knnts. It soon became hazy the lifeboat and took them to Lougb Sw111y, where dry clothes and dark. We were provided with a flash light and a lantern. were given to them. · We desired to signal to the patrols, but screen the lights from STliL.WSHIP "LUCIA "-Los-r oc-rOBJll!, 1018• 't.be submarine. We placed our bodiesbetweenthelightsand the .A..t ti.SO o'clock p.m.. on October • • t~ u.S. A. C. T. submarine, turning our backs on the submarine and holding the 17 1918 llght in front of us. The patrols used their searchlights on the .Lucia, bound for a European port (in eonvay without esco-rt), submarine, fired upon her, and sent our warnings. So far as I was torpedoed amidships on th:e port side, the torpedo entering know, the submarine was not damaged. The patrols ct1.me to the engine room and immediately killing four men.· I had been the boats and we hurried on board in order not to delay them in .on watch on the upper deak of ' chart house about 10 minutes, attacking the submarine. The gun crew and myself lost all our . an!l ~er surveying both sides with with the naked eye, I belongings on board. We were but lightly clad, as the ~vea.thel· st~rted to use my glasses. I finished looking to starboard and was warm. had just started on the· port side looking aft, and as my ran.ge of vision was coming abeam I saw a white wake about 100 yards STE.HISIIIP ROCHESTER-LOST NOVlnfBER, lll17. ~ Ollr port beam, WhiCh Was about 5 yards fn' length. On or While traveling with the convoy the Rochester did not zlgzag, abo':lt . the time I saw this wake the explosion occuued: A as her- speed on a straight course would just enable her to .shower of dust and debris caused by the explosion interfered keep up with the other ships, . which were zigzagging. · On with men on after gun platform. and lookout in the after craw's November 2 one of the men at the after gun sighted a periscope nest, and the explosion caused such a nbration that it knOCked on the starboard quarter about 500 yards distant. It appeared the men stationed on after gun platform o:ff their feet. Immedi to be about the size of n broom handle. It submerged before ately upon recovering themselves they rilanned gun and trained any shots could be fired. The same aftem.oon~ at 4.45- p.. m.. to port. at my orders. At the time of explosion I immediately the lookout in the after crow's nest reported a torpedo· wake on ordered both guns trained to port~ but could find no trace o:t the starboard beam less than 100 yards distant. The wake .submarine; and I then sent semaphore signal to the U. S. S. became plainer as if the tnrpedo had ap_proached nearer the . H am;aii"an to broadcast our S 0 S, as the exp-losion had put surface, and struck almost instantly on the starboard .side .aH dynamos in engine room out of order and we had' only our abreast the after end of the engine room~ The weather at the auxiliary set left for use.. The armed guard remn.ined at their time was clear, the sea. smooth, and tlle· visibility good. .stations from time of torpedoing until the last gun's crew had The force of the explosion ea.used the whole ship to lurch to left ship, at 2.20 o'dook p. m. on the following day, a total ot .port. She righted herself immediately. The explosion wrecked 20' fiou:rs and 50 mlnutes after being torpedoed. During the night the engine room, put the dynamo out of commission, smashed I had" a ve1·y sharp lookout kept for submarine to appear, but the transmitting gear of the wireless, and knocked down two without result. On or about 4 o'clock a. m. on October 18 I deL wires from the aerial. The headway of the sh.ip was stopped ci.ded tlla.t. submarine might try to· shell ship at daylight, and I immediatelyr and the ship fiJled with stemn and smoke follow- broke out 40 rounds of ammun.ltion for each gun, but nothing ing the explosion. occurred. During the night the ship was in sinking condition The gun's crew off watch manned their statioo at once, but .and aft gun platform was just cleal" of water, as the explosion as there was- nothing seen of a periscope or submarine the · of torpedo had carried away· the bulkhead between the engine after gun crew were ordered to clear nway the raft and I:mnch room and No. 4 hatch, and slowly the heavy sea had canse<.l it. The commander of the guflrd and master got in a boat, ·water to enter No. 5 mid N<>. 6 hatches, respectively. On or and all boats cast o:ff and met 500 yards astern of the Rochester, .about 12 o•c.I.ock: noon. on the 18th the water started forcing its according to an agreement previously made. _ The armed guard way forward, getting as far as No. 3 hatch. to~ed 13, with the commander·. The merchant crew complete· At 2.30 p. m~, after being repeatedly warned by the ma.o:.;1cr ,when on bo:udr including the. master and officers, totaled 36. fik'l.t shtp was in hopeless condition, the last radio ope-rator ruJ.(l ~he entire ·personnel of the Yessel therefore numbered 49. .myself took to our boa.t.. The boat, of which I had charge, car tr'he three boats then separated, each steering a different di- ried, besides armed guard, the master and three- members of rection. Just after they separated, at 5.15 p. m., a submnrine civilian crew, and we, with the other four boats and raft. hauled opened fire at the -ship. Owing to the. lifeboat being so low . well to leeward clear of wreckage and rode to sen an-chors, the 'n the water, the submnrine could not be seen, but the ·fl'ash of sen at that time being '\"ery rough. At 3.15 p. m. the stern the gun was discovered. The gun flashes a.npeared to be nb.out slowly started to disappear and her bow was lifted to a vertical f!,OOO yards off the starboard bow of the Rochester. The first position, and. in doing so carried away her mainmast. When shots fired at the vessel were high and to the left. Tl1e !fist 1 she attnin.ed a ,~erticnl position she· slowly disappeared from 'shot (there were 10 in all) hit the. '\"essel well above tlle water '\"iew, carrying away· her stack and foremast, and finally dis~ Une on the starboard side. It was then rapidly getting ously bailing water. At 9.26 p. rn. the U. S. · S. Fa·irta.x sighted day. But with our crop the. shortest we have ever produced, the boat of which I had charge, and after exchanging ~ignals with the largest acreage the South ever had planted, and the we brought boat alongside and with greatest difficulty managed most expensive we ever grew, cotton is now selling, if selling to get entire crew aboard. at all, around 20 or 22 cents, although it sold as high as 38 l\Ir. PADGETT. l\Ir. Chairman, I yield 15 minutes to the cents when it was thought we were going to have 1,000,000 or gentleman from Arkansas [l\Ir. CARAWAY]. · 1,500,000 bales more. I charge that there is manipulation of the l\Ir. CARAWAY. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the com cotton market. I am informed that there is an agreement entered mittee, I shall not employ any part of the time allotted me to into by certain people in this country through the cotton ex· praise or condemn the American Navy. I want to take advan changes to furnish certain foreign countries and firms manu tage of tllis opportunity to have a resolution introduced· nncl facturing cotton in those countries a large amount of cotton. make a· few remarks upon it. I ask the clerk to read it. This cotton was contracted at a price such that they could not · The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will read the resolution in the go into the open market and buy the spot cotton at tbat price. gentleman's time. · So, tl1erefore, we have seen this remarkable thing, that the · The Clerk rend as fpllows : price of future cotton has fluctuated as much as 200 points in a Whereas artificially controlled markets are harmfnl, and gambling 1n dny, or $10 a bale. How much more the fluctuation would have the price of the product of the farm, commonly called dealing in been no one knows, except the exchange adopted a regulation • futures, is hurtful to the farmer and likewise levies tribute on the consumer ; and limiting it to this amount. There can not under the rule of the ,,~hereas the New York d.au New Orleans Cotton Exchanges, organiza exchanges now be a greater fluctuation than $10 a bale in_any tions whose members deal in or are interested in deals in futures o! one day. · · ' cotton; and the representatives of foreign countries, and representa tives of foreign firms enaaged in the manufacture of cotton have Everyone knows that cotton is worth no more this morning than entered into contracts affecting future deliveries of large amounts it will be this afternoon, and that this difference of $10 a bale is of · ning of the war wool was 60 cents a pound and his wife bought had many advocates. It was just as legitimate a business and yarn for $2.50 a pound: Then wool went down to 50 cents a it appealed just as much to legitimate business as do cotton pound, and now his wife is paying $4 a pound for yarn. exchanges as they are now ··manipulated. - It 'vas simply a 1\Ir. CAllAWAY. Some dishonest speculators have been ma means of dealing in people's credulity, and that is all that the nipulating the wool price. I realize that unless you gentlemen cotton exchanges do. You can go into a cotton exchange and ~vho are not directly interested in the prosperity of the people buy millions -and millions of bales of cotton to be grown in .who grow cotton will help us in this situation we can not be 1919 when there is not an acre of cotton planted and nobody1 save can not be. Thm·e is no correlation whatsoever between the l\lr. PADGETT. l'Ur. Chairman, I yield 12 minutes to the heads of departments as to the estimates which they make,. and gentleman from Alabama (Mr. HEii'LIN]. the effort which we made at one time by legislation requiring Mr. HEFLIN. Mr. Chairman, I yield five minutes of that the President to exercise his power amounts to nothing,. because time to the gentleman from Texas [Mr. EAGLE]. it is physically impossible for the President himself to give much Mr. EAGLE. l\lr. Chairman and gentlemen,. I want to make attention to the matter of appropriations,. except that he fol- a few obserrations concerning the resolution introduced by the lows the requests of some of his subordinate officials. I do not gentleman from .Arkansas [1\Ir. C.ABAWAY] and submit for the :ttnow how far we can go in the way of correcting. serious <:onsideratiOII of you gentlemen who come not from the I hav~ proposed the-appointment of a commission to be colll:- southern cotton-growing States '&ut from the other States of the posed of six. Members of this House, to be nonpartisan or Union certain obser~ations in order to induce, if I may, your bipartisan, and six: Members of the Senate, with authority and sympathetic consideration, based partly upon your own self direction to investigate the whole subject and to report to Con- interests, of that resolution. In the State of Tex::as the cotton gre . I have heard a great many ditierent Members of the crop begins to come in about the 1st of July. From the 1st of House suggest at different times remedies for-the existing evil, July of last year, therefore, up until about the month of October but none of the remedies which I have ever heard suggested of last y~r. when Mr~ Baruch and the President had something appealed very strongly to me, and I think those suggesting the to say about the appointment of the commission to stabilize the diffe1·en.t remedies seldom agreed. Now that we have got to price of cotton, there moved in the State of Tex::as about 660,000 passing appropriation bills in time of peace amounting to three- bales of cotton of 000 pounds each at a price ranging around 3() quarters of a blllion dollars. an increase from $23,000,000 in 22 cents per pound. That money enabled the people of the State of o1· 23 years. now that we have come to the point where we must Texas to take more than their quota of war-savings stamps and do without many thin.gs which we would like to have and where of liberty- bonds, predicated upon the supposition tha:t there we- must appropriate much money for many things which we would be a Iegitimate market for their chief product, one-half of won:Id•like to have, and where we must appropriate much money which is raised and owned by Republicans-o1ll" negro farmers , for many things which some of us would like to do without, we Therefore, if for no other reason, you should consider those, :have simply got to reorganize our system of making appropria- whether- ·you: · do the white folks or not. [Laughter.] From tions. We have got to reorganize the system which is in effect then up to the present time in the State of Texas ~ about 500,()()(} in regard to the requests which _come from the departments and bales have moved at a lower price, until now it is about 22 cents from the executive branches of the Government asking· for ap- per pound'. I~ answer to the specific point raised by my friend propriations. I do not myself think that it Ls possible or that it Mr. PLATT, of New York, as to whether if were not legitiiiiate :would remedy the difficulty to conceptrate the whole power of speculation in reference to the things that have been done and appropriations in. the hands of· one committee~ to be then redis.- are currently being done, I have this to say: There remain trlbuted to a lot of. subcommittees, for that is. what we do now. about 1.,900,000 bales of cotton in Texas of the crop grown: in the 'l.'he Committee of the Whole House makes the appropriations year 1918,. which began to go· on the market" last July, and! and they are distributed among a lot of subcommittees. of the- which up until now has not been sold because it wfil bankrupt House, caned committees of the House; but there ought to be by; the prodncer to part with it at present ruinous prices.. scientific and expert search-and that is the real way to get at It will not only take from him any reward tor his year's anything-suggestions made which would aid the Executive and labor, but it will render him unable. as a tenant farmer or a Congress to save what otherwise would be expended, to the negro cotton farmer; or a- white man whO' ha.s- one plow or five amount probai>Iy of hundreds of mllllons of dollars a year, with- plows. if _they sell at the current price, which is manipulate(} out the loss of a single thing necessary to be done by the-Govern- and forced by· English cotton. spinners and the New York an much put into the pockets of speculators, and your constituents The CHA.IllMAN. · The Clerk will report the bill. get no benefit from it. Anu therel;>y you help unconsciously, you The Clerk read as follows : men from Pennsylvania and all these other splendid Common A bill (H. R. H.i539) makin"' appropriations for the naval service wealths, by your silence to pauperize the musses of the people for the fiscal year ending June ~0, 1910, and for other purposes. in my State. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Alabama [Mr. HEF· l\lr. FOCHT. Will the gentleman yield? LlN] is recognized. 1\Ir. EAGLE. I will. . Mr. HEFLIN. J\Jr .. Cllairman and gentlemen of the colllmit l\lr. FOCHT. It has been long known anu commented on that tee, I am in hearty sympathy with the resolution offered by my Liverpool controlled the price of grain throughout the world. frienu, .Judge CARAWAY, of Arkansas. It represents the general You say the price of cotton is controlled by Great Britain just as desire of the people of the cotton-growing States. It is plain to on leather. Now, how can Pennsylvania help you break that. up? us who li\e in the cotton belt that there is a conspiracy on be 1\lr.. EAGLE. l\fy friend has referred to something I did not tween certain foreign spinners an CO);FEllE~CE REI!OUT (XO. 1032). l\Ir. HEFLIN. I would like to, but I have only four or fiye minutes, and in that time I want to touch on a few other points The COllllllittee . of conference on the ill agreeing votes of the that I had .in m~nd. Gentlemen, at the beginning of this war two Hou ·es on the amendments of the Senate to the bill (H. R. the farmers in the cotton belt of the United States lost 13274) to pro\ide relief where forlllal contracts ha>e--not been· $600,000,000 . on .the cotton crop of 1914. It was an awful blow matle in the manner required by law, having met, after full and to our people and caused great financial ·distress, and in order free conference ha>e agreed to recommend and do recommend to to help us in that financial embarrassment and hour of distress their respective Houses as follows: ' you heard-and many of you responded-the cry of " buy a On the amendment of the Senate to the bill and to tbe title bale of cotton." Now, when the war is <»er, are we going to of the bill the conferee· have been unnlJle to agree. permit the same cotton producers, merchants, and bankers of s. H. DENT, JR., the "C"nite Let us join hands nnd go together ~Und inv-estigate an ex- · MES AGE 'FBOM THE SENA.TE. changes that speculate in farm products. You wltl :find ~ondi- : 'The committ-ee informally 1·ose~ -nnd 1\!r. IaoE having taken tions, gentlemen, that !\'rill sh:ock the .sensibilities of .an. bones-t, · the ·chair .as Spe.nk-er pro tempore, :a message from the Senate justice-loving people. I for one do not believe thn.t [t is n-eces by 11fr. Tulley, one .of its {~Jerks, announced that the Senate had -sary ·to nave nn exchange selling in :unlimited 'quantities .mere agreed to the report of the committe-e of conference .on the :dis names of " wheat " nnd " corn " and " cotton u ln '0-r:der "for the agreeing votes of tbe tw-o Hou es -on the amendments of ,the farmer to nave a market for his product. Senate to the bill (H. R. 13274) to provide relief wll.ere formal Tlle Ameriea.n •crop ·of cotton, wheat~ and corn is 'consumed . _contracts 'hn!e ~ot ·been ~de in the manner required by ln.w. every year. and _yet these croo'ks and :gamblers tell ns that it had fur:tll.er .u.ns1sted 'UJ).on 1ts :amendments 1to the said :bill, .and is necessary for them to sit in the exchanges :and bet each day had nsked t1 further conf-erence w.itb. the House -on the disagree · that the price of the farmer~- s pr-oduce will go ·up or down in ing -rntes of the two Houses thereon, .and had app-ointed Mr. order that the producer ma_y nave -a .mark-et. If Congress is to CHAMBERLAIN, Mr. FLETCHER, -Mr. THOMA&, Mr. W A.:ImEN, anll -permit the existence ef nn exChang-e that deals in far.m _prod MJ.·. K!\ox :ns the conferees -on the _part rof the Senate. lll.ct Congress .must compel that exchange to reflect prices jus- : T.he .messa-ge also announced that the Vl.C'e P1·esident had :ap tlfied by the str:ruJlY and deirullld. Do FOU .know what the situ:n- · poinled Mr. WEEKS nnd Mt~ . HOLLIS members of the joint select :ti.on is? This year the American ·cotton c:rop is nbout 7,009,000 to-day range up to 30 miles. It is no longer necessary to get Mr. MILLER of Washington. Yes; I yiel Bolsheviki, speaking in a building that belongs to the people I wanted to make absolutely sure of the matter before I mad~ of the l;Jnited States, which belongs to yo1Jr constituents and any statement on the floor of the House, so I cabled to the com· mine, in that very building uttering this contemptible, slimy, manding officer of this boy's regiment, addressing my cable. red-handed doctrine on the holy Sabbath day ! It is reported gram just as this mother had addressed her letter to her son. that tlle Russian Soviet, this Bolshevik movement that th~e I want to read to the committee this letter that I received from people approve of by their conduct and by their utterances, have the mother, and then I want to read the cablegram that I sent said that every woman who reaches the age of 18 years the commanding officer and his reply. The letter that I rc;. must register, and that any man, it makes no difference how ceived from the mother is as follows: many other women he may have, can take her for a wife. He ANDERSO:\', hiD., Janttary 1, 191fl. has the first choice, and if the man does not take her she can Ron. A. H. VESTAL, choose him. And then the children of that union are to become Washington, D. 0. the property of the State. And yet this creature in the address DEAR SIR : Inclosed you will find a letter of mine ·written to my son in overseas service, which was returned to me with the following in at Poll's Theater tells the American people that the Bolsheviki scribed on the envelope: "Deserter. Return to sender." This being in Russia are superior to the people of America. You need not the second time my letters were returned to me with the same inscrip think tl)at this sentiment is not growing in America. I have tion on the envelope, I decided to appeal to you for an investigation of the case it within your power. While these letters were belnt; returned not heard a word of protest on this floor. I could not remain to me my son has been .in active service and is now in the army of occu silent any longer when such a bold performance had been pation, the last letter received from him under date of December 10, pulled off in a Government building on the holy Sabbath day. 1918, stating that he was in a hospital at Treves, Germany. Although I am aware that this assertion is not true, according to his letters, out It is their purpose to waive the red flag. I can not believe that of justice to me, his mother, I feel as though an explanation is due, and the gentleman from illinois would indorse such principles or an etrort made to stop mail returning to me with such an inscription on such language as those two speakers advocated, and I can not the envelope. . You will find inclosed an addressed envelope. and, thanking you be believe that he would indorse the sentiments uttered there by forehand for any illformatlon you can forward me in regard to this, this female 'and this male speaker, who, it is said, are honorable I am, people. I reckon they are, but this damnable, slimy, dirty doc Respectfully, Mrs. JACKSO:\' STINSON. trine that they are scattering about is what I object to. There P. S.-My son's present add1·css is, Pvt. Ralph J. Stinson, Co-mpany is an organization going into every precinct in the Nation, with M, Ninth Infantry, American Expeditionary Forces. • the intent and purpose of scattering that kind of doctrine to She sent to me the letter as it was, with the inscription on the overthrow the Government. I believe in organized society. I back of the envelope. I immediately sent a cablegram to his believe in the institutions of our Republic. I love my country. commanding officer, as follows: WheQcver any man throws down the American flag and picks [Cabl~gram.] up a red flag and talks again~t my Government, damn him ; he JANUARY 11, 191!). COMMA~DEr:. COMPANY M, NINTH INFANTRY, is my enemy, and I am against him. [Laughter and applause.] American Ea;peditionary Forces: I do not care who he_is. [Applause.] Wire eonditions Pvt. Ralph J. Stinson. According to my conceptiQn, every public man. in this country ALBERT H. VESTAL, . should put his shoulder to the wheel, stand by the organized Member of Oongresa. Goverll.qlent, protect _our Constitution, although the preside~t of Wit~in abo~1t 10 u~~s I receiyed the following c3;blegram: · the Labor Federation of this Republic has given out in pamphlet [Cablegram.] form that we shall be no longer ruled by _courts. HEADQUARTERS SECO "D DIVISION, Where are _we_dri,fting to if we are goi_ng to permit organiza Janua_ry 20, 1919. tions that we have protected by legislation to overthrow the ALBERT H. VESTAL, courts? And I want you to understand that _I voted to exempt Member of Oongress, Washington: Pvt. Ralph J. Stinson evacuated hospital December 5. Sickness. 'Not them from coming un!!er the antitrust legj.slatioJI; we have given serious. · them every possible liberty by legislation that could possibly A. P. TURKMAN, be granted, and yet they come along, through their leaders and Oaptain. Ninth Infantry. such meetings as at Poll's Theater, and propose to tear down Mr. SMITH of Michigan. What is the LVH--17!l ~720 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 4,. '- .Ytith the gentleman's program and would like to get .through Mr. PADGETT. Instead of doing that I move that the com as fast as we can. . mittee do now -rise. There are other matters we want to dis.. Mr. PADGETT. I will say to the gentleman I was ln hopes pose of. we might run .a little later to-night, because I hnd agreed with The motion was agreed to. . the gentlemsn· from · Illin-ois [Mr. MANN], ·on account of ar . The committee aecord1ng1y rose; and the Speaker having re rangements that he had made for n Republican conference to- · sumed the ctul.lr, Mr. Wmoo, Chah·man of the Committee of the mort·ow afternoon nt 5, that 1 would mpve to riSe at 5 to Whole House on the state of the Union, reported that that com.:. I morrow af-ternoon and adjourn so as to give way to the confer mittee had bad under consideration the bill H. R. 15539, the ence. For that reason I was hoping we could run a little longer naval .appropriation bill, and had come to no resolution thereon. to-night so as to even up. -- LEAVE OF .ABSENCE. Mr. BUTLER. Well, this is a very ungracious job and I do not want any more of it. Members of Congress are not only ' Mr. SLA.YD~, by unanimous consent, was granted leave of human beings but they are individuals who amount to some :absence tor two days on account of business. thing. If they were but hired boys and they had ti.ti1e we ENROLLED JOINT RESOLUTION SIGNED. could say, "Very well now, make your speech or you will not · Mr. LAZARO, from the Committee on Enrolled Bills, t•eported make it at all." But here gentlemen say that they do not that they had examined ond found truly enrolled joint resolu :'mint to speak until to-morrow, and I am not saying this for tion of the 'following title, when the Speaker signed the same: the purpose, m.y friend, of continuing unduly the discussion of H. J. Res. 289 . .Joint l'esolution for the appointment of four this bill. but I desire to facilitate its passage as much as I membei s 'Of the Board of 'Managers -of the National Home foi.· can, yet I have put upon me the responsibility o:f allotting ~isabled Vo.hm.teer Soldiers. this time. and these gentlemen do not seem inclined to make 'VITHDltAW A.L OF P APEBS. their speeches to-night. Of course, if the committee -proposes to sit they will have to speak or lose out. Now, I do not 'feel Mr. BoLLrNoswoRT~ by unanimous consent, was granted leave thnt way, and if gentlemen do not want to mak-e--- to withdraw from the files of the House without leaving copies, 1\Ir. FOSTER. Does the gentleman from Pennsylvania think papers in the case '()f Winfield H. Handley (H. R. 19260, 64th Cong., and H. R. 4808, 65th Cong.), no adverse report ha'\"ing we ought to delay this bill at this stage very long to let some been made thereon. body get ready to speak? Mr. BUTLER. Why, I do not think we ought to have an ORDER OF BUSINESS. I extraordinary session. Mr. PADGETT. Air. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that Mr. FOSTER. Do you think we ought to wait until some Calendar. Wednesday may be dispensed with, and that we maY: body gets ready to speak? proceed with this b1Il to-morrow. · Mr. LITTLE. There seems to be a good deal of objection The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Tennessee asks unani nbout gentlemen having time to-morrow. I have been here all mous consent ·to dispense with the business of Calendar Wednes day listening to people talk who have been talking ever since · day to-morrow, so that the House may proceed with this naval I ha'\"e been here, and the gentleman from Pennsylvania can bill. eliminate me. As far as I am concerned I will take my medi Mr. BUTLER. May I ask the gentleman a question? cine and they can take theirs. 1tlr. PADGETT. Yes. · .Mr. STAFFORD. .Mr. Chaii·man, may I inquire how the time 1\fr. BUTLER. I .think: the Republican .floor leader bad some stn.nds, respectively, between the two sides? . · conversation with the .gentleman .about it. Was it ngreeable The . CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Pennsylvania has to hlm? used 3 hours and the gentleman from Tennessee 2 hours and 45 Mr. PADGETT. Yes, sir. minutes. . Mr• . AUSTIN. . Mr. SpeAker. I objeet to dispensing with ' Mr. STAFFORD. There is only 15 minutes difference. Calendar Wednesday~ W-e llave an important measure on the The CllAIRMAN. Does the gentleman from Tennessee or Wednesday calendar from the Committee on Public "'Buildings the gentleman from Pennsylvania have a suggestion to make? an-d Grounds. It will be the Only opportunity to pass it during Mr. PADGETT. Mr. Chairman, I want to be as a~aree!.ble the session ()f Congress without :a speelal .rule. · ns I can in respect to tlme-- Mr. STAFFORD. The call -does not rest with that >COmmittee. 1\fr. BUTLER. I want to say the gentleman is always not Mr. AUSTIN. The eall is with the Committee on the Post only agreeable but in every way he is accommodating, but I Office and Post Roads. It has but -one bill, the Committee on nm not willing with this list before me to close ,general debate. Printing has ..not· any. and then the Committee on Public Build 1 1\fr. GARRETT of Tennessee. I do not understand that the ings and Grounds will come in. · gentleman from Tennessee asks to close general debate. Mr. PADGETT. I can move that in the morning. I do not Mr. PADGETT. I was wondering if we can not reach an have to do that now. ngTeement to allow them a little time under the five-minute The SPEAKER. Is there objection? rule and begin the reading.- Mr. AUS'l'IN. I object. • Mr. WALSH. Does the gentleman !rom Pennsylvania yield? HOUR OF MEETING TO-l!OlffiOW. \ 1\Ir. BUTLER. Yes; I yield. 1 ·.Mr. PADGETT. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that Mr. WALSH. I thi.I}k the gentleman has my name upon his when the House adjoUI'llS to-day it adjourn to meet at ll o'clock list for some· time in general debate? to--morrow. . 1\fr. ,BUTLER. Yes. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from ·Tennessee asks unani ' Mr. WALSH. I will say to the gentleman very frankly I mous consent that when the House adjour~ to-day it adjourn would be perfectly willing if he would eliminate my name from to meet at 11 o'clock a. m. to-morrow. Is there objection? his list. , {After a pause.] T~e Cha~ hears n~ne. 1\Ir. HUDDLESTON. Mr. Chairman, I ask tm.animous con- · sent· to extend my remarks in the REcoRD. EXTENSION OF BEMARKS. The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the reque-st of the Mr. QUIN. Mr. Speaker, I ask unaniinous consent to revise gentleman from Alabama? [After a pause.] The Chair hears and extend .my remarks in the RECORD. none. 'The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Mississippi asks unani 1\:lr. PADGETT. We are trying to reach an understanding, mous consent to revise and extend his remarks in the REcon:b. if the Chair will indulge us for a moment. Is thei·e objection? 1 The CHAIRMAN. Very well. There was no objection. Mr. PADGETT. It was suggested, I will say to the gentle ADJOURNMENT. man from Pennsylvania, that we might begin t-ea 1918 (H. Doc. No. 1758); to the Committee on the District o.f one German cannon or fieldpiece; to the Committee on Military Columbia and ordered to be _printed. A.tl'airs. 2. A letter from the president of the Washington Interurban · Also, a bill (H. R. 15619) authorizing the Secretary of War Railroad Co., transmitting report of the Washington Interurban to donate to the village of Guyanoga, N.Y., one Germnn cannon Railroad· Co. for the year ended December 31, 1918 (H. Doc. No. or fieldpiece; to the Committee on Military Affairs. 1759) ; to the Committee on the District of Columbia and By Mr. McCULLOCH: A bill (H. R. 15620) to donate a caP ordered to be p),'inted. tured cannon or gun to the Nashville Cemetery in the city of 3. A letter from the president of the City & Suburban Rail Nashville, Ohio; to the Committee on Military Affairs. way of Washington, transmitting report of the City & Suburban Also, a bill (H. R. 15621) to donate a captured cannon or gun Railway of Washington for the year ended December 31, 1918 to the city of Mineral City, Ohio; to the Committee on Military (H. Doc. No. 1760); to the Committee on the District of Affairs. Columbia. and ordered to be printed. Also, a bill (H. R. 15622) to donate a captured cannon or gun 4. A letter from the president of the Potomac Electric Power. to the city of 'Uhrichsville, Ohio; to the Committee o-c Military Co., transmitting report of the Potomac Electric Power_Co. for Affairs. the year ended December 31, 1918 (H. Doc. No. 1761); to the By Mr. CHARLES B. SMITH: A bill (H. R. 15623) to make Committee on the District of Columbia and ordered to be provision for compensating discharged soldiers, sailors, and printed. - marines who are unable to obtain employment; to the Committee 5. A letter from the Secretary of the Treasury, transmitting on Military Affairs. copy of a communication from the Assistant Secretary of By Miss RANKIN: A bill (H. R. 15624) to enable American Labor, submitting a. deficiency estimate of appropriation re women who marry foreigners to retain their American citizen quired by the Bureau of Immigration for refund of lead tax, ship; to the Committee on Immigration and Naturalization. and a clause of legislation authorizing the paymenf of a bill By Mr. CALDWELL: A bill (H. R. 15625) to provide for fur for advertising (H. Doc. No. 1762); to the Committee on Ap- ther educational facilities by requiring the War Department to propriations and ordered to be printed. - loan certain machine tools not in use for Government purposes G. A. letter from the Secretary of the Treasury, transmitting to trade and technical schools and universities, and for other copy of a communication from the Acting Chairman of the purposes ; to the Committee on Military Affairs. United States Shipping Board, submittihg a substitute estimate By Mr. RAKER: A bill (H. R. 15626) authorizing the Secre of appropriation required by the United States Shipping Board tary of War to donate to the city of Auburn, Cal., two German for the fiscal year 1920, in lieu of estimate heretofore sub cannons or fieldpieces, with their accompaniments; to the Com mitted (H. Doc. No. 1763); to the Committee on Appropria- mittee on Military Affairs. tions and ordered to be printed. - By Mr. GARLAND: A bill (H. R. 15627) authorizing the Sec 7. A letter from the Governor of the Federal Reserve Board, retary of War to donate to the town of Millvale, Pa., one Ger transmitting fifth annual report of the Federal Reserve Board man cannon or fieldpiece; to the Committee on Military Affairs. covering operations for the yeat 1918 (H. Doc. No. 1764) ; to By Mr. HAYDEN: A bill (H. R. 15628) to provide for mark the Committee . on Banking and Currency and ordered to be ing the carcasses of goats with the words "goat meat"; to the printed. Committee on Agricultu-re. - By Mr. MOTT: A bill (H. n. 15629) authorizing the Secretm:y REPORTS OF COMMITTEES ON PUBLIC BILLS AND of War to donate to the village of Clayton, N. Y., one German RESQLUTIONS. . cannon or fieldpiece ; to the Committee on 1\fllitary Affairs. Also, a bill (H. R. 15630) authorizing the Secretary of War to Under clause 2 of Rule XIII, bills and resolutions were sev donate to the village of Orwell, N. Y., one German cannon or erally reported from committees, delivered to the Clerk, and fieldpiece ; to the Committee on Military Affairs. referred to the several calendars therein named, as 'follows : Also, a bill (H. R. 15631) authorizing the Secretacy of War to Mr. SLAYDEN, from the Committee on the Library, to· which donate to the village of Cazenovia, N. Y., one German cannon or was referred the resolution (S. J. Res. 202) requesting the fieldpiece; to the CQmmlttee on Military Affairs. Commission of Fine Arts to submit to the Congress certain Also, a bill (H. R. 15632) authorizing the Secretary of War to suggestions, reported the same without amendment, accom-· donate to the village of Antwerp, N. Y., one German cannon or panied by a report (No. 1030), which said bill and report were fieldpiece; to the Committee on Military Affairs. · referred to the House Calendar. By Mr. MANN: Joint resoluti9n (H. J. Res. 403) to create· a. He also, from the same committee, to which was referred joint commission of Congress on estimates and appropriations ; the bill (H. R. 12981) authorizing the Secretary. of the to the Committee on Rules. Treasury to refuse to permit the exportation of any work of By Mr. PARK: Resolution (H. Res. 548) to pay George D. art purporting to be a gift made by an individual or organiza Ellis $1,200 for extra services; to the Committee on Accounts. : tion to a foreign nation or municipality, unless by consent of By Mr. GOULD: Resolution (H. Res. 549) ilirecting the the Secretary of State, reported the same with amendment, United States Shipping Board to furnish the House of Itepre accompanied by a report (No. 1031), which said · bill and re sentatives with certain information in accordance with section port were referred to the House Calendar. 12 of the shipping act, approved September 7, 1916; to the Com- mittee on the Merchant Marine and Fisheries. · Also, a resolution (H. Res. 550) directing that the United PUBLIC BILLS, RESOLUTIONS, AND MEMORIALS. States Shipping Board furnish the House of Representatives Under clause 3 of Rule XXII, bills, resolutions, and memorials with certain facts as to the building and operation program of were introduced and severally referred as follows: wooden ships; to the Committee on the Merchant Marine and By Mr. OSBORNE: A bill (H. R. 15612) authorizing the Sec Fisheries. retary of War to donate to the city of Avalon, Los Angeles; Cal., By Mr. DAVIS : Memorial from the Legislature of the State_ one German cannon or fieldpiece; to the Committee on Military of Minnesota, requesting the discontinuance of the administra Affairs. tion of the Chippewa Indian tribal funds and the final settle By Mr. ROSE: A bill (H. R. 15613) to provide for the erec ment of their tribal affairs; to the Committee on Indian Affairs. tion of a public building at Barnesboro, Cambria County, Pa. ; Also, memorial from the Legislature of the State of .Minnesota, to the Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. requesting the gratuity of three months' pay to honorably dis By Mr. WICKERSHAM: A bill (H. R. 15614) to increase. the charged soldiers, sailor~, and marines; to the· Committee on limit of cost for the construction of the United States public Military Affairs. building at Cordova, Alaska.; to the Committee on Public Build Also, memorial from the Legislature of the State of Minne ings and Grounds. sota, requesting the increase of pensions to those disabled By Mr. LEE of Georgia: A bill (H. R. 15615) authorizing the in service and indorsing S. 2130 ; to the Committee on Pen erection of a post-office building at Rossville, Ga. ; to the Com sions. mittee on Public Buildings and Grounds. Also, memorial from the Legislature of the State of Minne By Mr. WATSON of Virginia : A bill (H. R. 15616) to ap sota, requesting the discharge of the Volunteer Army of the propriate money to build an addition to the post office and cus_. United States; to the Committee on Military Affairs. tomhouse at Petersburg, Va., and acquire additional land there By Mr. FRENCH: Memorial from the Legislature of the for; to the Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. State of Idaho on woman suffrage;· to the Committee on Woman By Mr. MANSFIELD: A bill (H. R. 15617) for the erection Suffrage. of a public post-office building at El Campo, Tex., and for other By l\f.r. GOULD: Memorial of the Legislature of the State purposes ; to the Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. of ·New-York, urging the passage of the bill now in conference By Mr. GOULD: A bill (H. R. 15618) authorizing the Sec to amend an act entitled "An act to regulate the construction retary of War to donate to the village of East Bloomfield, N.Y., of the dams across navigable waters," approved June 21, 1906, 2722 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-S]JNATE. us ame,nded by .the act approved June 23, 1910. and to provide Also, petition of the New York Produce Exchange, New York tor the improvement and deyelopment of waterways for the City, favoring removal of restrictions and discontinue the prac use of interstate and foreign commerce; to the Committee on tice of price fixing now applied to hogs, grain, and food ·tuffs; Interstate and Foreign CommeTce. to the Committee on Agriculture. t· Also, memorial of the Legislature of the State of New York, By Mr. HASTINGS : Petition of· railroad men, Muskogee, urging Congress to authorize the Secretary of War to fw·nish Okla., asking Government ownership and control of all rail the several States of the Union with the records of the men roads; to the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce. !from such States who entered the military service; to the By Mr. HERSEY: Petition of Rev. David N. Beech and other "Committee on Military Affairs. residents ot Bangor, Me., urging repeal of the postal zone law; By Mr. KAII:N: Memorial of the Legislature of the State of to the Committee on Ways and Means. California regarding allotment to discharged soldiers, urging Also, petition of Harold M. Hill and other residents of Gar 1 six months' pay to them on discharge; to the Committee on land, Me., urging repeal of the postal zone law; to the Co1lllllit ' Military Affairs. tee on Ways and Means. 1 Also, memorial of the Legislature of the State of California, By Mr. HOLLINGSWORTH: Petition of Rev. C. H. Kern, ot ::gainst cancellation of loans made to foreign countries; to Wellsville, Ohio, and nine other citizens, protesting against the Committee on Ways and Means. , postal and zane system and as1..Yjng its repeal; to the Commit Also, memorial of the Legislature of the State of Calif~rnia, tee on Ways and Means. urging enactment of retirement legislation; to the Committee By Mr. KELLY of Pennsylvania: Petition of Pittsburgh Board on Reform in the Civil Service. : of Trade, requesting legislation for deportation of alien enemies , Also, memorial of the Legislature of the State of California and prohibition of entry of those who left the United ~tates to urging legislation to restore to the pension rolls those who enter the armed forces of the central powei·s; to the Committee have given up right to pension by reentering service during on Immigration and Naturalization. present war ; to the Committee on Pensions. ·By Mr. KENNEDY of Rhode Island: Resolution adopted by Mr. 1\lAHER: Memorial of the Legislature of the State of John Mitchell Literary Association, of Providence, R. I., urging New York, favoTing the early enactment of the water-power bill, passage of legislation favoring self-determination for Ireland; now in conference; to the Committee on Interstate and Foreign to the Committee on Foreign Affairs. Commerce. . · By Mr. LONERGAN.: Petition of Hartford Council, No. 210, Also, memorial of the Legislature of the State of New York, of the U. C. T. of America, relating to private ownership of requesting Congress to authorize the Secretary of War to leave. railroads;· to the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Com · in the State of New York, under proper supervision, such records merce. as will furnish information regarding citizens of the State who By 1\.Ir. POLK: Petition of the teachers of Kent County, DeL, have been inducted into the Federul service through the medium favoring Senate bill 4:987 ; to the Committee on Education. · of the selective-draft law; to the Committee on Military Affairs. By Mr. RANDALL: Petition of the faculty of the State Nor By 1\Ir. THOMPSON: Memol'ial of the Legislature of the mal School of Los Angeles, Cal., favoring creation of a depart State of Oklahoma,. relating to the fixing of the minimum price ment of education; to the Committee on Education. of wheat for 1919; to the Committee on Agriculture. _ By Mr. ROGERS: Petition of citizens of Woburn, Mass., re Also, memorial of the Legislatu1·e of the State' of Oklah,oma, lating to self-determination of all nations, great and small, and relating to the distribution of relics of the late war for the especially of Ireland ; to the Committee on Foreign Aff.airs. commemoration of soldier boys; i:o the Committee on Military ·By Mr. SCHALL: Petition of citizens of Isanti County, 1\Iinu., Affairs. to repeal zone rate system; to the Committee on Ways nnd Mean& PRIVATE BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS. Also, petition of Minneapolis District Council, No. 8, 0~ T. Under clause 1 of Rule XXII, private pills and resolutions W. A., demanding thorough investigation of the wire adminis . were introduced and .severally referred as follows : . tration under l\fr. Burleson, Postmaster Gene.ral, with object of By Mr. MONTAGUE: A bill (H. R. 15633} granting a pension correcting conditions under which employees are working; to to Albert Worthy ; tQ the Cpmmittee on P~nsions. the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce. By Mr. MOTT: A bill (H. R. 15634) granting an increase of Also, petition of Minnesota Independent Telephone As ocia pension to Patrick Collins; to the Committee on Invalid Pen- tion, asking that Congress fix a definite date to return telephone ~ons. - properties to the owners; to the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce. PETITIONS, ETC. By Mr. SNELL: Resolutions of the Senate of the State of Under clause 1 of Rule XXII, petitions and papers were laid New York relative to records of local draft boards; to the. Com on the Clerk's desk and referred as; follows: mittee on Military .Affairs. By Mr. ASHBROOK: Petition of United Mine Workers of Also, resolutions of the Senate of the State of New York America relative to the reducing of ·the price of coal; to the relative to regulating the construction of the dams across Committee on ?!lines and Mining. · · navigable waters and to provide for the improvement and de Also, evidence to accompany H. R. 15602, for pension for velopment of waterways for the use of the interstate and :Anna Myers ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. foreign commerce; to the Committee on Interstate and Foreign By Mr. CARY: Petition of Ladies• Auxiliary, Bluebird Lodge, Commerce~ No. 116, to the International Machinists' Union, urging release By Mr. VOLSTEAD: Petition of Gust. C. Albrecht and other (>f all conscientious objectors. and amnesty for all political citizens of Fairfax, l\1i.nn.., to make effective the guaranteed prisonexs under war status, also repeal of espionage act; to the price for 1919 wheat; to the Committee on Agriculture. Committee on Military Affairs. . . .Also, petition of H. B. Zimmerman and other citizens of By Mr. DAVIS: Petition of residents of the third congres Wellmur, Minn.,. for legislation to make.. good the guaranteed sional district of Minnesota requesting guaranty of the price price of 1919 wheat; to the Committee on Agriculture. of wheat at $2.26 per bushel for 1919 year crop; to the Com mittee on Agriculture. By Mr. ELSTON: Petition of Alameda County Civic Associa SENATE. tion, urging passage of appropriation for new post office at Oak land, Cal. ; to the Committee on the Post Office and Post Roads. WEDNESDAY, February 5, 1919. By 1\Ir. GRAHAM of Pennsylvania: Petition of the· trustees of Philadelphia Produce ·Exchange, asking Congress to deter The Chaplain, Rev. Forrest J. Prettyman1 D. D., offered the mine the scope of work which the Bureau of Markets shall following prayer: continue to perform ; to the Committee on Agriculture. Almighty God, we seek from Thee that co·nscious power thnt By Mr. GREENE of Vermont: Petition of citizens of Water comes with a clear vision, ~th a clean cons<;ience, with a de ville! Vt., protesting against the postal zone law; to the Com- voted and consecrated spirit to the ideal born out of Thy \Tord .. mittee on Ways and Means. · Grant to lead ns to-day in the discharge of our duties. May we By 1\lr. GRIFFIN: Petition of the New York State Legisla ever keep in mind the justice and righteousness and peace that ture~ Albany~ N. Y., l'equesting legislation permitting the reten Thou hast made known &nd which is Thy will concernl.ng man. tion of draft-board information at the capitol of New York: State We ask it. for Christ's sake. Amen. · as information pertaining to the State; to the Committee on The Secretary proceeded to read the Journal of the proceed Military Affairs. · ings of the· legislative day of MondRy; February 3, 1910, wben, Also, petition of the National Bronze Corporation, New York on request of Mr. SHEPPARD and by unanimous consent, the City~ relating to Senate bill 5261; to the Committee on ?t1ilitu7 further reading was dispensed \vith and the Journal was Affairs. approved.