Ninth Series, Vol. IX No.12 Wednesday, August 27 ,1990 Bhadra,5, 1912(Saka)
LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)
Third Session (Ninth Lok Sabha)
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI Price: Rs., 50,00 CONTENTS
[Ninth Series, Vol. IX, Third Session, 199011912 (Saka)}
No. 12, Monday, August 27, 1990IBhadra 5, 1912 (Saka)
COLUMNS
Oral Answers to Questions: 1-30
·Starred Question Nos. 243 to 246
Written Answers to Questions: 31-470
Starred Question Nos. 247 to 262 31-B8
Unstarred Question Nos. 2817 to 2864, 69-459 2866 to 2914. 2916 to 2957, 2959 to 3031, 3033 to 3041 , and 3048 to 3049
Statement by Prime Minister 470-488 Measures for Promotion of Employment for the Youth in Addition to Reservation for Socially ana Educationally Backward Classes
Papers Laid on the Table 489-493
Message from Rajya Sabha 494
Election LO Committees 494-496
*The Sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Me,.,ber. (ii)
CoLUMNS
(i) Committee on Official Language 494-495
(ii) General Council of Indian School of Mines 495-496
Comptroller and Auditor-General's (Duties, Powers and 496 Conditions of Service) Amendment Bill-Introduced
Matters under Rule 377 497-502
(i) Need to repeal or amend the obsolete 497 provisions of Factories Act. 1948 Coming in the way of progress of women
Shrimati Uma GaJapathi Raju
(ii) Need to take up road from Andhra Pradesh in Nanded 497-498 district to Laxitipet in Adilabad district of Andhra Pradesh as National Highway to facilitate the transport of coal and cement
Shri P. Narsa Reddy
(iii) Need to develop waterlogged land in Gopalpur 498 region of Bihar for agriculture
Shri Ram Sharan Yadav
(iv) Need to give recognition to the duly elected 498-499 representative body of the trade union in Heavy Water Plant, Talchar, Onssa
Shri Ravi Narayan Pani
(v) Need to wrden National Highway No. 24 passing 4.99-500 through Bareilly. U.P. and to construct an overbridge on Bareilly-Badaun road
Shri Santosh Kumar Gangwar
(vi) Need to provide cooking gas to the peop.e of 500-501 Gujarat at cheaper rates
Shri Kashiram Chhabildas Rana (iii)
CoLUMNS
(vii) Need to issue directions to the Jammu and Kashmir 501 Government to release salary of the Government employees who have migrates from Kashmir valley to Jammu
Shri Piyare Lal Handoo
(viii) Need to increase the capacity of Nagpur 501-502 Telephone Exchange by ~5,000 additional lines
Shri Banwari Lal Purohit
Re. Situation in Punjab 502-507
Prasar Bharati (Broadcasting Corporaton of 507-555 India) Bill Motion to consider
Shri Lokanath Choudhury 510--516
Shri S. Krishna Kumar 516-527
Shrimati Malini Bhattacharya 527-533
Shri LX. Advani 533-548
Shri A.N. Singh Deo 555
Discussion under Rule 193 555-578 Statement made by Minister of External Affairs 591-644 reo his recent visit to Moscow, Wastington, Amman, Baghdad and Kuwait in connection with the situaton in the Gulf
Shri A. Charles 555-559
Shri M. Ramanna Rai 559-560
Shri Yuvraj 560--563
Shri P.R. Kumaramangalam 563-567
Shri Chitta Basu 567-571 (iv)
CoLUMNS
Prof. Prem Kumar DhumaJ 571-574
Shri Ramesh ChennithaJa 574-578
Shri Ibrahim Sulalman Salt 592--596
Shri Janardhan Poojary 598-599
Shri Inder Jit 599-£04
Shri M.S Pal 604---605
Shri Kamaluddin Ahmed 606---608
Shn P.C. Thomas 608---610
Shri Sontosh Mohan Dev 610-612
Shri Piyare Lal Handoo 612-614
Shn Suresh Kodlkkunnil 614---616
Shri Ram Knshan Yadav 616-617
Shri P.A. Antony 617-618
Prof. Savithn Lakshmanan 618
Shri Palai K.M. Mathew 618---619
Shri K. Muraleedharan 619-620
Dr. Thambi Dural 620-621
Shri P.M. Sayeed 621-622
Prof. P.J. KUrien 622-6.24
Shri I.K. Gujral 624-644
HaJf-An-Hour-Discussion 578-591 Transfer of CPWD Officers (v)
COLUMNS
Shri Kusuma Krishna Murthy 578-582
Shri Harish Rawat 582-584
Shri Santosh Kumar Gangwar 584-585
Shri Yadhunath Pandey 585-586
Shri P.R. Kumaramangalam 586-588
Shri Murasoli Maran 589-591
Business Advsory Committee 597 Sixteenth Report-Presented LOK SABHA DEBATES
LOKSABHA STATEMENT
(a) to (c). Development plans of Univer- sities are prepared by Universities them- Monday, August 271990/ Bhadra 5, 1912 selves and submitted to University Grants (Saka) Commission for financial assistance with reference to a Five Year Plan period. Ac- cording to the information furnished by Delhi University, the University is considering The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock appointment of a Working Group to prepare a ten-year perspective Plan for development [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] of infrastructure jacilities to provide for the growing needs of the University. ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [ Translation] [English] I -! I SHRI R.N. RAKESH: Mr. Speaker, Sir, Plan for Expansion of Deihl University this statement shows that the Government is and Its Colleges --~- aware of only negative aspect of the educa- tion and not its po~itive aspect ...... (lnter- + fuptions) ...... *243. SHRI R.N. RAKESH_; PR-OF-.-----~---- MAHADEO MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. SHIWANKAR: SHRI R.N. RAKESH: The total number Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased of seats in Delhi University and its affiliated to state: colleges for the year 1990 is twenty eight thousand and seventy six only whereas the (a) whether Government propose to number of eligible candidates is fifty-eight prepare a Master Plan for expansion of Delhi thousand. Does it mean that the remaining University and its colleges; ones i.e. about twenty-nine thousand stu- dents will h-ave to be deprived of getting (b) if so, the details thereof; and admission to these institutions. Secondly. despite the direotions issued by Delhi Uni- (c) the funds proposed to be allocated versity the students are not being admitted for the plan? on the basis of criteria determined by them. (Interruptions) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- MR. SPEAKER: Being an experienced VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI persons you can speak extempore. MEHTA): (a) to (c). A statement is laid on the Table of the Sabha. SHRI R.N. RAKESH: Irregularities are 3 Oral AnSwet5 AUGUST 27 1990
being committed in respect of 1be admis- with the sentiments of~ scheduled castes sions to the coDeges as the students be1ong- and scbeduled tribes people. the han. Minis- ing to the fanUltes of the upper sections are ter may please give his reply in this regard being admitted and those betonging 10 the poorer sections are being 1lOg1ected. More- MR. SPEAKER: He has already repfted over, I would like to submit thal22-112 per Chimanji, wilf you like to s,-y sometJ'Ung cent seats in the University are reserved for about what was said in fuis fast. the students belonging 10 the scheduJed ca<;tes and scheduled trit>es. But just fin up SHRI A.N. RAKESH: I Vw-as just asking the reserved seats they are given admission as to why they are gfVE!n admission to only only in unimportant and discarded sutJtects unimportant and unpopular subjects just to and in this manner their interests are not play with the sentiiTlents of these people in being properiy taken care of. Wit! the hen. th9 name of i9servation. Minister be pleased to furnish the informa- tion in this regard. SHRI CHJMANBHAI MEHTA: M~ only submissIOn is that all those who applied, SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA: Mr. havE> been admitted_ Reply to the second Speaker, Sir, during the current year about ques!:on asked by the hon. Member will be twenty-nine thousand students were given given only later on but, so far as their admis- admission to Delhi University and its affili- sion 1n selective subjects is concerned, cut of ated colleges, about 3500 students were marks is taken into account. That is why admitted in Women Education Board which there is always some difficulty in that. How- provides non-coliegiate facilities and 22,800 ever, it is a matter of details. students were admitted to the school of Correspcao-ence and continlJing Education. [English] In this way, about 55,000 students have been accommodated, this has been the I will talk to the University people, get maximum number because as perthe norms the details and will send to the hon. Member. of admission, the minimum marks rercent- age required is 40 per cent. and In case one [ Translationj is interested in.getting admission 10 a college on a regular bar.h., #\Me is a cut of marks for SHRI R.N. RAKESH: Will the Govern- that. It admj~n 11& n01 oossjt,!1i! on that ment, keeping k view of the needs of Delhi basis, they are given a chan:c~ for corre- University. propose to undertake the expan- spondence courses and non-collegiate sion of this University or will the Government educatIOn. A mentionrothat effect is made in exam ine this aspect in view of the population the degree awarded to these students. So Qxpiosion on other parts of 1he country and far as the students belonging to thes.~ $1 LI- ~ incr-esM>ing requir::tfTIents of this Univer- dents. So far as the students belonging 10 sity. the scheduled castes and schedu!ed tnbns are concerned, all those wno sought ad.'"r.tE- J;.J. the time of mid-turm polls of 1989-90 sian, were satisfied_ and general elections of 1989, the hon_ Prime Minister had made an announcement at SHAI R.N. RAKESH: In part (c) of the Allahabad that Allahabad University would question, I had asked whether it was in the be given the status of a Central University. knowledge of the hon. Minister that admit- What is the Government's stand in that -re- ting the scheduled caste and scheduled tribe gard. students only in unimportant and unpopular subjects means nothing more th~n mocking MR. SPEAKER: Rakesh ji, please sit at the provision of reservation and ptaying down. This question is not retated to it. 5 Oral AnswelS BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Oral AnswelS 6
SHRI R.N. RAKESH: Has the Govern- will come to the stage of our reaction, and it ment taken a decision to take some meas- is only then that the Government will be in a ures in that regard too? Eight months have position to give complete information and already passed, May 1 expect something also take the matter into consideration. would be done in the ninth month. Besides, whatever facilities are sought by the Delhi University authorities would be SHRJ CHiMANBHAJ UEHTA: Mr_ considerably the-Government So far as the Speaker, Sir, Delhi U niYersity is yet to chatk. point of women students is concerned as at out its five year plan. But, now they propose present there are a total of about 6,000 seats to prepare a ten year ~rspective plan. After available in all the women hostels in Delhi the Pfan is prepared, rt lS submitted to the whereas the total number of students in U.G.C. Then. it is discussed by the Planning Oe#1i University is about one lakh and sixty- Commission. The Government has notrung one thousand. We agree that jn view of the to do in this regard as such. However, fanan- existing number of women <::andWates. the cial assistance is provided whenever sought number of 6,000 is--certainly very low. How- for the purpose of extension. During the ever. from time to time, the Govemment Seventh Five Year Plan, an amount of about keeps on increasing the number of seats thirty-eight crore rupees had been allocated with the provision of new hostels. During the to Delhi and this time, the Government pro- last year. we did that and this year too. we pose to allocate it an amount of about eighty- have taken certain measures to this effect. five crore of rupees ... (lntarruptions) ... We are continuing our eHorts to provide more and more facilities for building new MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat, hostels. he will not reply. Shr, Ma~iadeo Shiwanknr. PROF. MAHADEO SHIWANKAR: Mr. PROF. MAHADEO SHIWANKAR: Mr. Speaker, Sir, my question has not been Speak.er. Sir, in reply to this question, it has replied. I seek your protectIon. been stated that in view of the increaSing demands of Delhi University, a ten year MR. SPEAKER: Yes, tell me, what perspective Plan will be prep.:lred by them. protection do you seek. Through you, ! would like to know as to what are these increasing requirements at Delhi PROF. MAHADEO SHIWANKAR: Mr. University and since when the proposal of Speaker, Sir. I had asked whether a specific appointing a working group in that context number of seats has been reserved for the has been under consideration and how long outstation girl students in hostels and whether it will take to take a flrlal decision in the any special facilities are provided to the matter. Besides. has a ratio of seats been external students. fixed in respect of admiSSIon of women candidates in Delhi University and has an}' MR. SPEAKER: Hen. Minister fTJay ratio been laid down in respect of the admis- kindly tell us whether a particular number of sion of the outside students to the University seats has been reserved for the out side hostels. students.
SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA: Sir, to some extent, I have already replied the SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA: Sir, it is question when I stated that Delhi University on the basis of cut of marks that we give is preparing its perspective plan. however, it admission to the students, and so far as has not reached the consideration stage so hostel facilities are concerned, I know that it far. Then it will be submitted to the U.G.C. is big problem and it is for the first time that and the Planning Commission. Only then, it the proposal for reservation in that regard 7 Ora/ AnSWBIS AUGUST 27 1990 Oral AnSWBIS 8 has been made. Moreover, the Government except on the basis of cut-off marks. will think over it. [ Translation] [English] PROF. YJJAYKUMAA MALHOTRA: Mr. SHAI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: Delhi Spe'aker, I would like to bnng to the norlCe of is not only the country's capital it is also the the hon'ble Minister that neither any new country's seat of learning. Students from all college nor any new department has been over the country, specially from the north- -opened in Delhi University during the last 18 eastern region where there is no scope for years, while population of Delhi has increased higher education-and even if it is available, by 50 lakhs during this period. Despite this facilities are limited come- here and try for much increase in population neither any new admission in various colleges under Delhi college nor any new class has been opened University_ But, unfortunately, for the last that is why the cut-off marks in most of the three years, the cut-off marks and the sys- subjects have touched 80,85 and 90 per tem that has been in vogue in Delhi Unvier- cent, as a result of which no rural or weaker sity is depriving students of admission. section person can get admission in a col- lege except those belonging to Scheduled The hon. Minister has said that they Castes and Scheduled Tribes. So regular have not seen any case of rejection. We colleges should be opened proportionate to ourselves not only wrote letters, we went and the increase in population and preparations met the Heads of Departments. I can tell you in this regard should be made in advance that students with 75% to 80% marks com ing and you have said that University is contem- from outSide because they were eligible on plating to prepare a plan for the next 10 account of their marks, could not get admis- years. Today, the position is that many of our sion, because the first preference, naturally, good colleges are running in very ordinary is for students, who have passed from vari- buildings so Government should draw aplan ous colleges in Delhi. So, there is a shortage for it, keeping in view the need of next one or of seats, shortage of accommodation, and two years and not of 10 years. So, whether shortage of facilities. Government would take some steps to solve this problem within a couple of years? You have talked about a ten-year per- spective. Very good; but in view of the pres- [Eng/ish] ent sitaution, what immediate steps are you trying to take, to see that students, coming SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA: I know from all over the country, with their qualifica- this is a suggestion for action. But there are tions, get admission in the Delhi University some questions inherent in it. During the colleges? Seventh Plan period, there were four col- leges opened by Delhi University. They are SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA: I under- : (1) College of Arts and Commerce; (2) stand that this is a very specific query about College of Business Studies in Shahdara; what we are going to do for students from the (3) College of Physical Education and Sports; north-eastern hill States, and other States. and (4) College of Applieq Science for Women On the basis of the cut-off marks, if they are Shahdara. not able to compete with the local students, they find that the rejection is a very heavy [ Translation1 cost that they are paying. Theretore, , can say that certainly, there is something to be PROF. VIJAYKUMARMALHOTRA:Mr. looked into. That is the only thing .at the Speaker. the Colleges which hon. Minister is moment I can say; but there is no rejection referring to are technical colleges and only 9 Oral Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Oral AnswelS 10
20 boys are admitted therein. These are not [English] normal colleges. (/nteffuptions) SHRIMATI MALINI BHATIACHARYA: [English] The teaching community at Delhi University"'" has been demanding certain reforms in the SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA: This can administrative structure of the University, be disputed. (/nteffuptions) Two colleges which they think, would improve the aca- are being opened this year: one in Karam- demic atmosphere in the University. Accord- pura in West Delhi and another in Jheel ing to my information, a memorandum has Geeta Colony in trans-Yamuna areas. Now also been senttothe Ministry on behalf ofthe the colleges are being opened, but I know teachers of the Delhi University. May I know commensurate with the increase in popula- from the hon. Minister whether the Minister tion, it is not matching the requirement. As I has responded to this memorandum; if he told you, during the last five years, per an- has, what is the response? num, we had spent Rs. 38 crores in Delhi on the university and college education. This SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA: This is time, we have a budget of Rs. 85 crores; and regarding the administrative reforms. They per student we are spending around Rs. want Lecturers to be designated, after a 3,300 while in Kendriya Vidyalayas, we are certain years of service, as Readers. What is not able to spend even Rs. 300. With this stipulated is that to acquired a readership constraint in resources, they are trying to one has to have a Ph. D. The Scale of pay of match the requirement of the increasing a Reader is given to them. They are not proportion of the students in Delhi. That is losslng financially at all. They want a status why a question is being asked: what about of a Reader without submitting the Ph.D. the other States? What about the rural ar- thesis. This is the only problem, as far as I eas? That also we have to look into, and a knew. There may be some other problems, total balanced view has to be taken. apart from that-they have got some prob- lems, I know-but they cannot be construed [ Translation] as administrative reforms, as such. They want their scales of pay to be on the level of liT teaching staff. That is what they are SHRI TARIF SINGH. Mr. Speaker, I demanding. But I can say that at the moment would like to bring to the knowledge of hon. we are paying overall, to 9500 staff mem- Minister that the population pressure is in- bers, including 3000 teachers, per staff, that creasing on the outer areas of Delhi and is per teacher about Rs. 4300/-. And then a population at the villages in remote areas lecturer gets the scale of pay equivalent to a has gone up to 50 lakhs, but there are no Class I Officer of the Go'vernment, a reader colleges in those areas. Boys and girls from gets that of an Under Secretary to a senior rural areas have to travel a distance of 50 Deputy Secretary and a Professor gets that kms. to come to city for studying. Population a Deputy Secretc!ry. to Director,Joint Secre- of my constituency is about 30 lakhs but it tary and Additional Secretary level and so has no college. So whether the han. Minister on. These are the pay scales they are getting will make arrangement to open a college in at the moment. So in addition if anything is to my constituency under the master plan? be done, it has to be properly specified. liT has a different structure and we have a SHAI CHJMANBHAJ MEHTA: Mr. different structure. They have not submitted Speaker, let Delhi University contemplate any memorandum on this point to me per- first however, we will send your proposal to sonally. May be, they have submitted to the Delhi University. department. I have no idea, but I will see. 11 Oral Answers AUGUST271990 Oral Answers 12
MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Jawali. (a) the total number of small scale mdustrial units operating in Delhi and out of SHRIMATI MALINI BHATTACHARYA: them how many are having pollution control J wanted a direct reply. (/ntsffuptions) They equipments; want some administrative reforms which will enable the teaching community and others (b) whether the Ministry of Industry and to participate In the administration and to DeIhl Administration have been advised not look into the manner In which the administra- to further grant licence to small scale indus- tors are nominated and so on. tries in the Union Territory which are without pollutIOn control equipments; SHRt CHIMANBHAI MEHTA: It is a very vast questkm. It has to be elaborated. (c) whether actIOn has been Initiated The question is thal there are two teachers against the industries which are not having on the Govermng Body. That is atthe moment pollution control equipments; promed and if they want some more re- forms-that many not be exactly coming (d) if so, the steps taken and the out- under administrative reforms-let them tell come thereof; and me what exactly what their demand is, what is the range or the topic and so on, and I will (e) the policy in this regard with respect look into them. (Interruptions) to other metropolitan cities of the country?
MR. SPEAKER Dr. Basavaraj Jawali. THE MINISTER FOR ENVIRONMENT He is speaking for the first time. AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) to (e). A statement is laid on \'D~J\YA.B.&!J[\~_Jib.!: Every year the Table of the House. there is a demand for ten to twelve per cent additional seats. I want to know if the Gov- STATEMENT ernment has any plan to meet the demand. (a) It is estimated by the Delhi Admini- My second question is we have been stration that there are about 77,000 small- talking for a long time and it is heard here scale industrial units in Delhi. out of these, also that it is high time that we have some 23,500 units have sought registration under meaningful education, but has the Govern- the Small Scale Industries Registration me.,t got any plan to stop this meaningless Scheme, with the Department of Industries, education? Delhi Administration. The number of con- SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA: Anyway, sents, Issued by the Central Pollution Con- this is about Delhi University. It is covered. trol Board is about 2,300. Out of these, 400 We are requesting the Delhi University and units have installed Effluent Treatment Plants also adVising them to start more vocational or re-circulation systems for waste water. streams and thereby make it more meaning- ful. Even today they have got a large number (b) It IS not mandatory for small-scale of general streams to accommodate the industries to obtain a licence from the Minis- students. That is the only thing I can say. try of Industry or the Deihl Administration. \ \.- ]-b However, they are required to obtain a con- "Antl-.follution Equlpments in Sma" sent to operatE> from the Central Pollution Scale Industrial Units in Delhi" Control Board, In its capacity as the State + Board for Delhi, for waste water discharge *244. DR. LAXMINARAYAN PAN- under the Water (Prevention and Control of DEYA: - Pollution) Act, 1974 and for emission of SHRr--SIiAN~ER SINH gaseous pollutants under the Air (Preven- VAGHELA: tion and Control of Pollution) Act. 1981. Will the Minister Of"ERVIRONMENT Since 1985 permanent registration certifi- , AND FORESTS be pleased to state: cate to small scale industries is being issued I 13 Oral Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Oral Answers 14 by the Delhi Administration after obtaining mental Protection Council, Environmental the clearance of the Central Pollution Con- Consultative Committee and three high trol Board. powered follow up action groups to monitor steps for controlling pollution. (c) and (d). Legal action under the provisions of the Water (Prevention and In addition to the above specific meas- Control of Pollution) Act, 1974, Air (Preven- ures, the general policy of pollution control is tion and Control of Pollution) Act, to implement strictly the provisions of the (Prevention and Control of Pollution) Act, Environmental Legislation while giying at the 1981 and Environmern (Protection) Act, 1986 same time fiscal incentives for installing has been initiated against the defaulting pollution control devices. The following steps units. 184 cases have been filed by the 10r pollution control have been taken in this Central Pollution Control Board against the regard~- industries. Decisions have been given by the court in 118 cases; of these 115 have been in favour of the Central Pollution Control (i) The Water (Prevention and Board. Control of Pollution) Act, 1974, the Air (Prevention and Control Steps have also been taken for setting of Pollution) Act, 1981 and the up of a Common Effluent Treatment Plan Environment (Protection) Act, (CETP) in the Wazirpur industrial area of 1986 have been enacted. Delhi, and contributions have been collected from the polluting small scale industrial units. (ii) 32 standards have been notified The Wazirpuf industrial area has around for major polluting industries, 15 2000 small scale industrial units which gen- for air and 17 for water polluting erate about 10 million litres of waste water Industries. per day. The MuniCipal Corporation of Delhi is establishing this plant. Delhi Administra- (iii) The Central Pollution Control tion is also providing a subsidy of Rs 50,0001 Board is functioning as the State -to individual small scale units to assistthem Pollution Control Board to imple- in installing pollution control devices. So far ment the standards, grant con- 6 units have ·availed of this assistance. sent to establish, and, launch prosecutions against the default- The Central Government has also initi- ing units. ated a scheme for giving central assistance 01 Rs. 25 lakhs Of 25% whichever is less. 1m (iv) Concessional rate ot finance, setting up of Common Effluent Treatment customs duty, excise rebate and Plants provided a matching contribution is a higher rate of depreciation al- given by the State Government. In those lowance is allowed to industries cases where the State Governm ents or local for installing pollution abatement bodies provide a higher share, Central equipment. Exemption from Government will make a matching contribu- capital gains tax is given as in- tion raising its assistance upto Rs. 50 lakhs. centive to units which shirt from congested urban areas as a The Delhi Administration and the Cen- measure for reducing pollution. tral Pollution Control Board have surveyed Rebate of cess payable under eight sites for Common Effluent Treatment the Water (Prevention and Con- Plants. 7 air and 4 water quality monitoring trol of Pollution) Cess Act, 1977 stations have been set up in Delhi. Delhi is given if pollution control de- Administration has constituted an Environ- vices are installed. 15 Oral Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Oral Answers 16
(v) Research and development pro- looking into this to see as to how to stop this grammes are funded. pollution. In many cases, they have been successful. Apart from the small sCale units, (e) The policy of the Central Govern- there are also the thermal power plants, ment for pollution control in small scale units which have been causing pollution. That has is uniform throughtout the country. also been looked into. Pollution from that source also has been reduced by the activi- [ Translation) ties of the Pollution Control Board. They were emitting 2700 tonnes every day. But by DR. LAXMINARAYAN PANDEYA: Mr. insisting upon them to 'have emission con- Speaker, I would like to know from hon. trol, it has been reduced to 8 tonnes per day. Minister about the concrete action taken by Similarly, motor vehicles also are causing a him to control the air pollution and water good deal of pollution in the city. That is also pollution caused by industrial units? Even being looked into as to how that could be big rivers are being polluted. You have indi- controlled. cated 77 thousand industrial units in Delhi alone. But Central Pollution Control Board or [ Translation] Control Boards of States are so incompetent that they do not take action even if the rules DR. LAXMINARAYAN PANDEYA: Mr. are not followed by the industrial units and Speaker, Sir, my question has not been the laws formed in this regard. In this con- replied as I had requested to make these nection, I would like to warn you that ~uring laws more effective and stringent scr-that the next five years a situation would be immediate action could be taken against created where at least 50% people would be those industries which do not follow the affected by concern and new born babies will rules. Delhi is the worst polluted city of the also be mentally abnormal. I would like to world. What efforts are being made to save know from the hon. Minister whether the this city and other metropolitan cities, as I laws will be made more stringent so that have asked in the"last part of my question such a serious situation does not arise and "the policy in this regard with respect to other people could be saved from the horrible metropolitan cities of the country", please situation caused by pollution in the country. give detailed information in this regard. Other metropolitan cities of the country are much [English] advanced in the field of industry and the situation has worsened there. Because of no SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY: Sir, the control of Pollution Control Board and de- small scale industrial units are causing a spite organising Anti-pollution Camps by Mrs. problems everywhere because of the afflu- Maneka Gandhithere ara many cases where ents and emissions that come out from them. the rivers have been polluted Covering a About 60 per cent of the pollution in the city long stretch,of 20 kms. and the water taken is due to small scale indusries. In the City, out from 30 feet deep well also been found large industries are not allowed. It is the polluted. People are worried on this ac- small scale industries which are causing count. .. (Interruptions) pollution. In Delhi, there are a large number of small scale industries. In the answer that [English] has been laid on the Table of the House. It ;s mentioned that there are about 77000 small SHRI ERA ANBARASU: Sir, I am on a scale units in Delhi. Out of that 23,500 have point of order ... (Interruptions) taken consent to start operations (Interrup- tions) We have the Central Pollution Control MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of Board, which is working in Delhi. They are order, Please take your seat. 17 Oral Answers BHADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Oral Answers f8
(/ntenvptions) [ Translation]
MR. SPEAKER: I have not allowed you. DR. LAXMINARAYAN PANDEYA: Mr. Please take your seat. Mr. Pandeya. Speaker, sir, though the question is about Delhi, I put questions about other metropoli- [ Translation] tan cities also. So far as the other metropoli- tan cities are concerned. (Interruptions) DR. LAXMINARAYAN PANDEYA: I would like to know from the hon. Minister [English] whether the concrete efforts in this direction will be made and whether he will make some SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY: Sir, it is efforts to make these boards more effective? difficult for small scale industrial units to set ( Interruptions) up effluent treatment plants because they are located in clusters or industrial estates [English) without proVision of adequate space for ef- fluent treatment plants, they lack access to MR. SPEAKER: Will you take your.seat? new technology.
( Interruptions) [ Translation)
MR. SPEAKER: Shri Era Anbarasu, DR. LAXMINARAYAN PANDEYA: please take your seat. No point of order. I am Please let us know the extent to whic~ laws not allowing any point of order. prepared by you would be effective. (Inter- ruptions) ( Interruptions) ! \~ SHRIJ.P. AGARW.AL (Chandni Chowk): [ Trans/ation] The reply is different from the question. Please do not give wrong protection to him in MR. SPEAKER: Jai Prakash ji. You are a his bid to give evasive replies in the Parlia- resident of Delhi If you ask questions, I shall ment. There may be mutual squabbles but it permit you. is their internal matter. Please take your seat. SHRI R.N. RAKESH (Chail): Please ( Interruptions) arrange classes for him as his home work is very poor. (Interruptions) [English] [English] 1& SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY: Sir, what is applicable to Delhi is applicable to all the SHRI KAMAL NATH: Sir, fortunately for cities. The same procedure and the same the Minister and unfortunately for us the steps are being taken all over the country so Minister does not know what he is saying. far as cities and towns are concerned and But without commenting-I am ,not com- about the small-scale industries to enable menting, J won't comment on this knowledge them to have effluent treatment machinery or wisdom-I will congratulate him for his or equipment, we have also given them courage to come here. subsidy. It is said that a large number of sman scale industries are there in Oe\hi. MR SPEAKER. W\\\ ~ou ~\ease ~ut the They are not able to have these equipments. question which is not answered? We have also given them 25 per cent sub- sidy ... (Interruptions). SHRI KAMAL NATH: Does the Minister 19 Oral AnswelS AUGUST271990 Oral AnswelS 20 know what causes pollution? He is venturing should try to play the role of the Speaker. to answer this question. That is why I was congratulating him for his courage. Does he (/nterropt:ions) know what causes pollution at all? He is talking of subsidy. Does he know why sub- SHRI KAMAL NATH: Sir, I don't know sidy is given? Does he know how much is the what is agitating them. I was only framing my subsidy? Does he know what causes the question and in the process of framing my pollution? When he does not know all these, question, the Minister stood up ... (/nterrup- he is venturing hereto answer the questions. tions) This is a mockery of all of us, who are asking questions. ~y question is does the Minister MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Kamal Nath, you at all know. If at all (Interruptions). Please sit directly come to the question .... down ... (Interruptions) ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down all of you. I am on my legs. That is none of Kamal [ Translation] Nath's business to tell the Ministerto take his seat. Yes, Mr. Kamal Nath. MR. SPEAKER Please take your seat. You should not get provoked. SHRI KAMAL NATH: Sir, the Minister stands up without even my putting the ques- ( Interruptions) tion ... (Interruptions). [English] [ Translation] MR. SPEAKER Will you please take MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. your seats?'
( Interruptions) SHRI KAMAL NATH: Sir, my question is ... (Interruptions) [English1 SHRI BALGOPAL MISHRA: Sir, will MR. SPEAKER: You are not the you expunge the remarksotMr. Kamal Nath? Speaker. Take your sea1. .. MR. SPEAKER: I have already disap- ( Interruptions) proved the remarks made by Mr. Kamal Nath. Yes, Mr. Kamal Nath ... MR. SPEAKER: Will you please take your seats? ( Interruptions)
(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seats. Let us not waste the time of the House ... MR SPEAKER: Mr. Kamal· Nath, take your sAat please. I am on m)' legs ... ( Intemlptions)
( Interruptions) SHRI KAMAL NATH: Sir, when this Minister hears the question, he cannot an- [Translation] swer, when he does not hear, I wonder what he will do. My question is this (Interruptions). MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. My question is does the Minister know what No hon. Member, while asking question, are the reasons because of which pollution is 21 Oral AnSW9ts BHADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Oral Answets 22 caused by the small-scale industries in Delhi. amount of capital cost of the plant and the Is it all the industries or is it only a particular operations and maintenance costs are to be type of industry, and is the government borne by the small scale industrial units subsidy directed towards one industrY or all themselves. In this mannerthe major portion the industries? of the costs is to be shared by the poJluting units. SHRI BALGQPAL MISHRA: I am on a point of order Sir. I Translation]
MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of SHRI J.P. AGARWAL: Mr. Speaker Sir, oroer. Will you please take your seat? I it is a matter 01 concern. Environmental cannot allow point of order to be raised condition in Old Delhi is highly deplorable. A during the Question Hour. 'large number of industries are there. Num- ber of vehicles is also quite large. The dust- SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY: Sir, most bins also cause a lot of pollution. I drew the respectfully I will submit that if relevant and attention of han. Minister of state of his pointed questions are asked, I am prepared deplorable condition and requested her to to reply. The Member wants to know the pay a visit to the area. She promised me that causes of pollution. I have already said that she would visit the area, but due to mutual there are three thermal plants in Delhi which rivalry between the Ministers, she could not are mostly causing pollution ... (Interruptions). visit the area, but due to mutual rivalry be- tween the Ministers, she could not visit the There are a large number of pottery area. (Interruptions) industries. They are also polluting the at- mosphere. Apart from that there are motor MR. SPEAKER: It has nothing to do with vehicles. There are about 5 to 6 lakh motor the question. Put your question. vehicles that are plying in Delhi. They are also causing pollution. About 5 lakhs have (Interruptions) been checked for emission levels and out of these about 35% of vehicles have been SHRI J.P. AGARWAL: Mr. Speaker, found emitting beyond permissible limits. Sir, the visit could not be materialised due to The responsibility of vehicular pollution their mutual rift. The small scale industries control rests with the Delhi Transport Au- are not getting any subsidy for this purpose. thority. So, these are the causes for pollu- Had the subsidy been given to them, they tion. could have done something to check envi- ronmental pollution. SHRI KAMAL NATH: Sir, I have asked a specific question about subsidies. He has Similarly, vehicles emit a lot of smoke not answered that part of the question. which is causing environmental pollution whose adverse affect can be seen even on SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY: So far as the clothes gathering black dust on them. the small scale industries are concerned, a The condition is very bad. Similarly, open scheme initiated in June 1990 provides for dustbins have been kept in the streets. People Central assistance of 25% of the capital cost are being infected from them, as a result of of the plant subject to a maximum of Rs. 25 which some of them succumbed to it. There lakhs provided a matching contribution is is none to look into the matter or listen to made by the Sate Government. The assis- problems being taced by t'ne residents. tance can go upto Rs. 50 lakhs provided the State Government or the other age-ncles I would like to know from the hon. Min- make a higher contribution. The rest of the ister as to how much money out of the total 23 Oral Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Oral Answers 24 amount sanctioned for checking environ- pollution In Deihl If at all rt has submitted the mental pollution, especially for Old Deihl, report, what are the remedial measures they has been spent I would also like to know have suggested and what steps the Govern- whether the hon Minister will pay a VISit to ment has take or IS propoSing to take on the the area so that he could be apprised of the recommendations of the World Health Or- condition ganisation?
[English] SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY Sir, rt IS a fact that on the request of the Deihl Admln- SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY. If the Isratlon and the Lt Governor of Deihl, the specific cases are brought to my notice, I am World Health Organisation made a study prepared to discuss matter with the hon about the pollution In Deihl and In 1989 they Member But so far as Deihl pollution IS had subm Itted a report and had made certain concerned, there are clusters of small-scale recommendations on how the pollution mdustrles There are 28 clusters of small- should be controlled Regarding the muniCI- scale industries In Deihl including Okhla pal sewage and regarding the emissions Industrial Estate, Bad" Industrial Estate, Rani from factOries Jhansl Industrial Estate, Wazlrpur Industri- als Estate, etc There are about 20,000 In- PROF N G RANGA What are the dustries located In those area suggestions that you have made? He has asked for them [ TranslatIOn] SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY It IS a big SHRI J P AGARWAL Mr Speaker Sir Report If Prof Ranga IS Interested, I can the entire money IS not being received by the send a copy of that to him Industries I wanted to know as to how much money has been spent and how much envI- [TranslatIOn] J.. ~ ronmental pollution has been checked I have not put any Irrelevant question (Inter- SHRI KALKA DAS Mr Speaher Sir, ruptions) Deihl IS the third largest city In the world In terms of environmental pollution There IS a [English] lot of pollution In this city Just now he has stated that the Government hasbeen able to SHRt NtLAMANI ROUTRAY Only the check pollution So, I would like to know from scheme has been announced In June 1990 the hon Minister as to how much Improve- So It IS very difficult for me to say at this stage ment has been made rn terms of checking how It has been Implemented and who has environmental pollution In Deihl? Secondly, gotthls The scheme has to be Implemented I would like to pOint out that the dust blowing It was already announced flom the stone crushers effect the entire local population adversely (InterruptIons) SHRI J P AGARWAL Where IS the scheme? Can you send us a copy of the MR SPEAKER Kalka Das)1 please do scheme, Sir? not look towards that Side, please address the Chair (interruptions) SHRI N ILAMAN I ROUTRA y t will do It SHRI KALKA DAS Mr Speaker, Sir, I SHRI BALGOEAL MISH~ SIf, I would was thlnkrng that berng a native of Deihl he like to know from the hon MInister whether would plead for the betterment of Deihl But the World Health Organisation has submit- I notice that he has a destructive attitude In ted a Report about the air pollution and water respect of Deihl I would like to submit that a 25 Orial Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26
number of stone crushers are running with- A separate notice is required for this. Please out licence. Dust blows from these curshers. take your seat. (Interruptions) I know that Rajokari village has been se- lected to be a safer site for this purpose. Last SHRI KALKA DAS: Crushers run ... tiem, the han. Minister had said that a num- ( Interruptions) ber of stone crushers are running without licence. On that day also I had made these MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. submissions. What action has been taken in The hon. Minister will collect the information that regard? What action is being taken by and give the reply. the Government to remove these stone crushers being run without licence in Rajokari [English) village. One of these stone crushers belongs to a former M.P.? SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY: Sir, for small-scale industries, license is not manda- [English] tory and this applies to crusher industry also. It is a question that should be dealt by Delhi SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY: Sir, it is a Adm inistration because only consent is given fact that a lot of industries ...... (Interrup- to the industries by our Department. Only tions). There are as many as 107 stone those industries that pollute water and air crushers in Delhi, out of which 34 have have to obtain consent from our Depart- installed dust suppression devices. Out of ment. 22 potteries in Delhi, three major units have ?!... _7-'1 taken necessary steps to control air pollu- tion. Steps have been taken to persuade Projects Pending Central Clearance them hot mix plants to instal pollution control equipment. (Interruptions) + [ Translation] 245. SHRI BAM NAlli,: DR. VENKATESH KABDE: SHRI KALKA DAS: Mr. Speaker, Sir, what I had asked has not been replied. Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT ( Interruptions) AND FORESTS be pleased to state:
MR. SPEAKER: You may ask about it (a) t\-,8 prolects for irrigation and road outside the Parliament. (Interruptions) deve'opment submitted by Government of Mahmashtra to Union Government upto 30 SHRI KALKA DAS: I wanted to know as Jurr: '09(, foe environmental clearance and to what steps have been taken to remove the ar<.: S' '1 , ,"ldlng clearance; stone crushers which are being run at Prahladpurwithout licence. What steps have (b) the reasons, for delay in giving been taken by the Government to remove clearance to these projects, and the stone crushers running without licence and blowing dust? What steps have been (c) the time frame within which these taken to check the menace of dust? He has projects are to be accorded clearance? stated that the number of such crushers is 32, but in fact their actual number runs into thousands. I am saying it with a responsibil- THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT ity. In fact the actual number is neither 32 nor AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI 36. The Government is not paying attention ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). No road construc- to it. (Interruptions) tion project from Maharashtra is pending for environmental clearance. Two irrigation MR. SPEAKER: It is a specific question. projects are awaiting decision due to nOI~. 27 Oral Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Oral AnswelS 28
availability of requisite data and action plans. [ Trans/ation]
(c) Both the cases will be decided within SHRI RAM NAIK: Mr. Speaker, Sir, he one month of receiving the requjsit~ details. has stated that no road development project is pending. In Bombay is my home city. the [ Translation] Goregaon-Mulund Link Road project is pending for the last several years. In fact a two mile stretch of road passes through the SHRI RAM NArK: Mr. Speaker. Sir. it national park. If this road is constructed. it has been stated in the reply that only irriga- would save a run of 35 kilometers. Thou- tion projects are pending. but no road devel- sands of man-hours could also be savod opment project is pending. I was shocked to with the construction of this road. It will also hear It. The Chief Minister of Maharashtra check traffic blockade which has become a has stated that as many as 220 environ- regular feature. I would like 10 know whether mental projects are pending with the Central the Goregaon-Mulund Road Project is pend- Government for clearance. I would like to ing with the Government and what will be the know whethe:- it is a fact that only two proj- stand of the Government in this regard? ects are pending. I would like to know as to which are these two projects and when did [English] the Government of Maharashtra say so? MR. SPEAKER: He want to know about [English] the specific project, whether it is pending.
SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY: So far as SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY: Sir, it is a road project is concerned. it never comes to fact that only two projects are pending. the Environment Department or Forest Regarding Maharashtra, the numberof proj- Department. ects referred to is 53, the number of projects approved is 25 and the number of projects SHRI RAM NAIK: The road is gOing rejected is 26. Only two projects are pend- through forest. through the National Park. ing. MR. SPEAKER: He says. it is not com- MR. SPEAKER: He wants you to name ing to him. those projects.
DR. VENKATESH KABDE: ForNagpu: SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY: The first and any other districts in Vidarbha. the project is Lower Wunna ProJect. This is a question of Zudupi ,Jungle IS very important major irrigation project proposed across because many irrigation projects and other Wunna River (tributary of Wardha) in Go- projects have not been approved. The Zudupi davari Basin. The project envIsages con- Jungle comes under the ambit of Forest struction of two dams. one across Wunna Conservation Act and. therefore. the area river at Wadgaon and the other across Nand covered by the Zudupl Jungle is not allowed river at Manori. The cost of the project is Rs. for the purpose of irrigatIon projects 88 crores and it came to the Department in the year 1979. The other project is Waghur I would like to know from the Minister River Project. It was referred to tf1e Depart- whether he will take up the matter of Zudupi ment in May, 1989. This is a major irrigation Jungle to sort it out because there are many scheme proposed across Waghur river. The irrigations projects which are pending in cost of the project is Rs. 21.28 crores. Maharahstra because of this? 29 Oral Answers BHADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Oral Answers 30
SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY: As far as (c) During the year 1990, elephants the question of Zudupi Jungle is concerned, have killed 2 persons in Kerala. it has not been sorted out. It is still pending. The Maharashtra Government has set up a (d) According to the census of ele- committee to look into that and they have not phants carried out in the year 1989. it is yet submitted any report. So far as today's estimated that the population of elephants in position is concerned, there are about 91akh Kerala was around 3500. hectares of Zudupi Jungle and out of that so far as the forest land is concerned, it is about SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMACHAN- 7 lakh hectares. The rest of the area, about DRAN: Indiscnminate and large scale denu- 21akh hectares is not with the Forest Depart- dation of forest in the State of Kerala. spe- ment. Still the discussion is going on as to cially in the district of Wynad is one of the what has to be done. We are waiting of the main reasons for wild elephants wandering report of the committee set up for this pur- into neighbouring villages. causing hardship pose. l.--q - '1 l:J to the people. These elephants are wander- ing in search of food. Wildlife Sanctuaries in Kerala By entering into an agreement with the *246. SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMA- Gwalior Rayons Factory located at Calicut, CIjANORAN: Will the Minister of ENVIRON- the Government of Kerala has sold out MENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: bamboos as well as soft wood forests to the Birlas for their raw materials. This poses a (a) whether any efforts have been made grave threat to ecology and it will lead to for fencing the wildlife sanctuaries in Kerala; annihilation of forests in Kerala. Under these circumstances, may I know from the han. (b) it so, the details of allocations made Minister whether the Minister is aware of the and work completed as on 30th June, 1990; situation in Kerala. i.e. selling out forest woods to the Birlas? Will the han. Minister (c) the reported number of deaths enlighten this House that clear instructions caused by wild elephants in Kerala this year; will gotothe State of Kerala from the Ministry and of Environment and Forests to revoke the agreement entered Into by the Government (d) whether any study has been made of Kerala with Birlas so as to prevent further • to determine the elephant population of anhiliation of forests in the State? Kerala and if so, the details therebf?
SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY: So far as THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT the agreement with Birlas about the forest is AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI concerned, I have no information. As the ROUTRAY): (a) In certain areas around han. Member has stated here, if he passes sanctuaries in Kerala, where the inter-face on that thing to me as to what is the agree- conflict between the wild animals and the ment and how it was entered into. I will resident human population is high, fencing certain"inform him aboutthe actual position has been raised on selective basis. regarding that.
(b) It has been reported that fencing has MR. SPEAKER: Question Hour is over. been raised over a length of 62.3 kms. so far in Kerala at a total cost of Rs. 8.63 lakhs. 31 Written Answers AUGUST 271990 Written Answers 32
WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS those teachers who have served for a part of the calendar year [English] (atleast for four months) may be "I ., ) ) considered if they fulfil all other trlteria for Award of National conditions. Award to Teachers Teachers whose names were ·247. DR. SUDHIR RAY: Wi 1.1 the PRIME recommended last year or be- MINISTER be pleased to stare: tore can be considered again if they are still otherwise eligible (a) the criteria for selecting teachers and are recommended by the and principals of schools of States and Un- State Government/Union Terri- ion Territories for their selection for National tory Administrations. Aw~rd: Teachers irom the recognised (b) tpe c .. tena applied by Kendriya institutions for the physically and Vidyalaya Sangathan for selection of teach- mentally handicapped are also ers and Principals for nominations to Na- eligible for the awards provided tional Award; and they fulfil all other prescribed conditions. (c) the details of achio\ emenls and contributions of recipients of these awards Educational administrators (In- be:onging to Kendriya Vidyalayas? spectors of Education. etc) and the staff of training collages are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE not eligible for these awards. MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI In addition to the above, the main con- MEHTA): (a) to (C). The conditions of siderations which should guide the selection el;gibdlly for the selection of teachers for the of teachers are: Natlo:1 ol Awards are given below: Tea.cher's reputation in the locai Clas~roo"" teacn'-"s w.lf atleast cor::lnunlty 1? years teachinG ~xperience "iIId Headmasters witr. 20 years Hi~!her academiC efficiency and of experience and who are actu- desire for its improvement ally working as terdlel~!H", .d- mast~rs in ,ecognisea primo:lf'il His/her genuine interest in and mloelle/high/higher s€.;ondary Jove ior children sc~,,Jolso,,jv shall beconsidel ... "~" T~'ach~rs 01."..) are teachin£; upto Hisfhc;· Involvement in the social Class VIII should be considered life of the community. in' .__ , category of Primary Sehoul TeE. ";'o~rs and those teaching The Kendriya Vidyalaya Sangathan Classec, IX-XII in the category of applies the same criteria for selection as Secondary School Teachers_ detailed above"
Normally, fetired teachers are The recipients of the National Awards not eligible for the .1\vard. but belonging tc I ally meritorious teachers having outstanding publication sold so far together with the sale service record, good academic ~utpu~, ac- proceeds; tive involvement in curricula and extra-cur- ricula activities and notable interest in the (d) whether any inquiry is being con- overall development of the students and the templated by the Government; and school. _ 1,,_ Q.. \ ?-""' . ~~-J) "\ 1 \-J ~ r~~ a_ y-e.. ~ ... ~ (e) the steps taken and proposed to Punjabi Academy Publications improve the affairs of the two Academies? ·248. DR. A. K. PATEL: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF I:JUMAN RESOURCE DE- (a) the number of publications brought VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI out by the Punjabi Academy and Urdu Acad- MEHTA): (a) to (e). According to the infor- emy of the Delhi Administration during the mation furnished by Delhi Administration, last three years, separately; the number of publications brought out by Punjabi and Urdu Academies during the last (b) the expenditure incurred thereon; three years, the expenditure incurred thereon, the number of copies sold and the sale (c) the number of copies of each such proceeds are as below: 35 Written AnswelS AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnswelS 36 U) U) .c .c 0 0 0 0 .:.: ~ 0 ~ 0 ~ ~ ~ co lI'i ...... ,.f (J "I co co ()) z z III II) cry II) "I e ~ N N Q... to t--.- "I- ci ci cry to oS? co_ N "I cu M N r-: CJ) ui ui ui ui ui ui iii a: a: a: a: a: a: a: ex:ui ~ 0 II) II) .~ ..q- cry cry 0 "I "I 0 cry 0 " c:: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .g 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 cu -.:i ll"i -.:i M 6 ai -.:i C") ~ III ()) to ()) co ()) I.() t--. ::;; cry ()) to .c;::, ..... " "'0 Q) ..c:: ~ .c:;, C4 en (\I III (» N co N t--. 0 oS? ..- cry cry ~ 0 -~ co ()) o ()) CO co ()) CO, ~ ci> CO co co enco co ()) (» ()) ()) 37 Written AnsMiHS BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) written AnswelS 38 One of the reasons for low sales in the (b) if so, the present average income of Punjabi Academy is that most of the publica- rural and urban-people vis-a-vis 1970-71 tions of this Academy are distributed free to and 1980-81 figures; and the schools, colleges; libraries and eminent scholars. 7,640 copies of their publications (c) the steps taken to reduce this dis- were distributed free during this period. parity? Delhi Administration has informed that THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE there is no proposal to conduct any inquiry or MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND THE MIN- take special measures in regard to the sales ISTER OF STATE" IN THE MINISTRY OF figures of publications of the two Academies. PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) and (b). The [~ra")nslatiOn] Ij do.>--l ~ A.a I L estimates of average per capita income, ) ~ separately for rural and urban areas, are Special Financial Scheme to Remove available only for the census years 1970-71 Backwardness of U. P. and 1980-81 and are given below: *249. SHRI KALPNATH SONKAR: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: Per Capital Income (Rs.) (a) whe~her a special financial scheme Year Rural Urban is being formulated to remove the backward- ness of Uttar Pradesh; and 1 2 3 (b) if so, the salient features of the 1970-71 499 1201 programmes included therein ad the target fixed in this connection? 1980-81 1242 2887 Disparity as measured by the ratio of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE urban per capita income to rural per capita MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND THE MIN- income was 2.41 in 1970-71 and 2.32 in ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF 1980-81. PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) No Special (c) Rural-urban disparity is sought to be Financial Scheme is under consideration. reduced by taking steps to raise the level of income and employment in rural areas. (b) Does not arise. Support prices for major agriS-ultural prod- ucts, provision of subsidiary inputs for agri- [English] f(~/ culture and expanded operation of a number ..-, 7 rr "f' ~~ "., ~ - 6 of anti-poverty, employment generation ) .;,.. programmes, alongwith the investment in Disparity In Urban and RUral Incomes agriculture and rural infrastructure are some of the important steps in this direction. The *250 SHRI NATHU SINGH: Will the Approachtothe Eighth Five Year Plan envis- PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: ages that the proportion of development outlays on schEtmes benefitting the rural (a) whether there is a vast disparity in population will be significantly· raised, the the average incomeof.ruraland urban people; target being 50 per cent. 39 Written Answers ~UGUST 271990 Written Answers 40 ':.,~ "Violation of Environmental Norms by (iii) Task forces have been set up to industries of Maharashtra" oversee the implementation of pollvtion control measures by ·251. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: certain categories of polluting Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND industries. FORESTS be pleased to state: (iv) Fiscal incentives are given to (a) whether the Union Government are industries for taking steps for aware that a large number of industries in prevention and control of pollu- Maharashtra State are violating pollution tion. rules; (v) Prosecutions are launched (b) if so, whether the State PollutIon against the defaulting units. Control Board has identified such ernng industries and kept the Union Government (vi) A special drive has been informed of the action taken or contemplated launched to check tlTe disposal against them. and of hazardous wastes. (c) any other steps Union Government propose to take in thIS regard? Norms for Backward Areas THE MINISTER FOR ENVIRONMENT ·252. SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI PROF. P. J. KUAIEN-:-- AOUTRAY): (a) and (b). The major pollutIng industries in Maharashtr3. have been identi- Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased fied. The Maharashtra State Pollution Con- to state: trol Board keeps the Union Government apprised from time to time about the action (a) when were the norms for declaring taken for implementation of pollution control any area as backward fixed; laws. (b) whether there is ay proposal to (c) A number of steps are being taken change these norms; and in this regard These include: (c) if so, the details thereof? (i) Industries have been directed to install effluent treatment plants THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and pollution control devices MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND THE MIN- within a stipulated timeframe so ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF as to treat their effluents/emis- PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI sions to prescribed limits. BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) Norms deter- mining Backward areas have been identified (ii) Consents are issued to indus- from time to time both by the Centre and the tries subject to their adopting States. The Planning Commission had is- adequate pollution control meas- sued guidelines on 10.12.1969 to Statesl ures. Compliance of consent UTs suggesting the norms for identifying conditions by industrial units is districts as industrially backward. On the regularly checked by the State basis of these norms, 246 districts were Pollution Control Board. identified as indust'rially backward. 41 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 42 (b) No, Sir. (a) whether Government's attention has 'been drawn to the press reports regarding (c) Does not arise. shortage of text books particularly in some Lo..~~~ i) StatAs like Karnataka etc.; Tamil Section in C~ntral Hindi Directorate (b) whether Government has issued any fresh instructions to NCERT and... other "253. SHRI R. DHANUSKODI concerned agencies to sort out this problem; - ATHITHAN' SHRI C. SRINIVASAN: (c) if so, the details in this regard; and Will the PRIME MINiSTER be pleased (d) if no such instructions have been to state: issued, what measures Government pro- pose to correct the situation? (a) whether the Tamil Medium Section of the Department at Correspondence THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Courses. Central Hindi Directorate IS func- MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- tioning with the reqUIred qualified staff In VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI Tamil; and MEHTA): (a) to (d). The production and distribution of textbooks for the students of (b) if not, the steps taken by Govern- schools located in particular State or Union ment to strengthen the Tamil medium sec- Territory and affiliated to the State Boards of tion of correspondence course!:1 in Central Education, is the concern of the respectIve Hindi Directorate? State Government or Union Territory Ad- ministration. The School textbooks published THE MINiSTER OF STATE IN THE by the NCERT are in use only in the schools MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- affiliated to the CBSE, which constitute only VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI 3.95% of the total number of High/Higher MEHTA): (a) and (b). As of now, the Tamil Secondary Schools in the country, As such, Medium Section of the Department of Corre- most of the school students in the country spondence Courses, Centl al Hindi Director- are using textbooks published by organisa- ate does not have the full complement of tions/agencies other than the NCERT. regular staff. Steps for regular appointment of all the staff through Union Public Service 2. Even for the students of classes IX Commission/Staff Selection Commission/ and X of the CBSE-affiliated schools, not all Central Employment Exchange have been the textbooks prescribed for them by the taken. In the meantime, ad-hoc working CBSE are published by the NCERT. In the arrangements have been made. Science and Humanities subjects for the '11 ~~c, ),c-:tr,,-k students of classes XI and XII of such schools Shortage of Text Books the CBSE has not prescribed compulsory study of any particular textbook but recom *254. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES- mended a large number of books to bE ~ chosen by such students for regular readin£ SHRI J. P. AGARWAL: and also for reference purpose. Many 0 such books recommended by the CBSE arE ,being published by private publishers also Will the PRIME M!NISTER be pleased to state: 3. As regards production and distribu 43 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnswelS 44 tion of NCERT textbooks, the demand-sup- tion of degraded forests with the folloWing ply position is closely monitored from time to objectives: time. All the NCERT textbooks for classes I to XII, except some textbooks required by (i) To improve forest based biomass schools in OctoberlNovember 1990 have resource in degraded forest lands been published and released for distribution and to manage it on a sustained through its sales outlets. The textbooks basis for the domestic needs of published by NCERT are distributed through the identified communities. 8 Sales Empona of the Publications Division of the Ministry of Information and Broadcast- (ii) To provide gainful employment ing, Government of India and 22 private to tribal communities and rural Wholesale Agents (13 forthe Union Territory poor. of Delhi and 9 In other cities). (iii) to provide a sustainable eCo- 4. The NCERT textbooks are printed! nomic base to tribals and other reprinted in sufficient quantities and ade- rural poors in the vicinity of their quate quantIties of the books 'have been habitation. made available to the above-mentioned Sales Emporia as well as to the private wholesale (b) and (c). No forest land is proposed Agents for distribution in different parts of the to be leased to these inhabitants for this country. purpose. However, the communities would be benefit in the form of usufruct sharing of [Translation] ( the produce. 'v\"?, Assistance of Trlbals In Expanciillg [English] Forests Cover Mahadayl Hydro-Electric Project of *255. SHRIGULABCHANDK~TAR~: Karnataka Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: *256. SHRI H. C. SRIKANTAIAH: Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FOR- (a) whether Government propose to ESTS be pleased to state: seek assistance of tribals in expanding for- ests cover and protection thereof; if so, the (a) whether Karnataka Government nature thereof; has submitted t-he Mahadayi Hydro-Electric Project to produce 305 megawatts of power (b) whether Government propose to for forest clearance; lease forest land to the inhc;tbitants of forests for this purpose; and (b) if so, whether the clearance has been given; and (c) if so, when? (c) if not, when the project would be THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT accorded clearance? AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) The Central Government 1as decided in principle to implement a THE M1NISTER OF ENVIRONMENT :.cheme involving local tribal people and AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI "Ural poor on community basis for regenera- ROUTRAY): (a) No, Sir. 45 Written AnswelS BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 46 (b) and (c). Does not arise. (b) Ten States viz., Arunachal Pradesh, '-\5 Assam, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu & Ka- Special Category States shmir, Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Nagaland, Sikkim and Tripura have been *257. SHRJ ERA ANBARASU: declared as Special Category States. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKATA: _.-_ (c) Yes, Sir. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased (d) Details of Central Assistance allo- to state: cated to the Special Category States during Seventh Plan (1985-90) and Annual Plan (a) whether any StatelUnion Territory 1990-91 are given in the Statement below. has been declared as a special category State; (e) Allocation of Central assistance for (b) if so, the details thereof; State Plans is made under the Modified Gadgil Formula approved by the National (c) whether any special funds are allot- Development Council in August, 1980. Ac- ted to such States/Union Territories; cording to the principles embodied in the formula, a lump sum amount out of the total (d) if so, the details thereof; and divisible pool of-Central Assistance is set apart to m eetthe development req u irements (e) the criteria for allocating fUr;lds to of Special Category States. Out of this such States? amount, allocation of Central Assistance among the Special Category States is made THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE on the basis of joint assessment of the States' MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND THE MIN- resources by the Ministry of Finance, Plan- ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ning commission and concerned State PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI Government ana their development require- BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) Yes, Sir. ments for the Plans. 47 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 48 ~ 0') 6 'V) 0') ~ ~ co OJ v 0 0 CTI OJ ,...._ ,...._ CTI OJ Ii) C\I N ,...._ Il) Il) " ,...._ ~ <0 <0 ,...._N ...- r--.. <0 (") cry 0') C\! ~ CTI C\I"""'" OJ OJ ~ L{") CT! C") ~ "- 0 0:; ...,f ai C") L{") 0 C") ci Q;) ~ (\j CTI C") N OJ 0 <0 V to 0') U') ,_ <0 """'" N 0) Q;) ...- II) <0 0 CTI C\J N ,...._ en 0 Il) Il) co <0 L{") "- ,...._ CI;) 0 " .s::. en ..c .... CJ) II) a.i OJ "e (.) "'0 ..c c: cu "'0 (/) III -. 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All States and Union Territories including Kerala were requested on (b) if so, the action taken in the matter '26.6.1990 to accommodate their students so far? studying in Regional Engineering College, Sri nagar in their own Engineering Colleges. THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT The Regional Engineering Colleges in vari- AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ous States were advised to accommodate ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). There is no such the students belonging to Jammu & Ka- proposal at present. However State Govern- shmir, foreign students and students from ment have been advised to devise means to educationally deficient States studying in the regulate and restrict the influx of tourists and Regional Engineering College, Srinagar. Out expeditions and take steps to improve the of 12 students of Kerala origin 10 students ecology and environment of the area. have been nominated in the Regional Engi- 4Cf neering College, Calicut and 2 in Engineer- Migration of Students of Regional Ing College. Trichur. Eleven students be- Engineering College, Srinagar to Other longing to Jammu & Kashmir, foreign stu- States dents and educationally deficient States/ Union Territories studying in Regional Engi- *259. PBOF. K. V. THOMAS: Will the neering College, Srinagar have been nomi- PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: nated to the Government Engineering Col- lege, Trichur. (a) whether Regional Engineering Col- £0 lege at Srinagar has been opened; Adherence to Pollution Control Meas- ures by Industries (b) if not, the alternative arrangement made forthe students in Regional Engineer- *260. SHRIMATI SU~t-I~§HIN.t~!d; ing College, Srinagar; Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: (c) whether Kerala Government has recommended to admit 12 Kerala students (a) whether the Chairman of Central from Regional Engineering College, Srinagar Pollution Control Board has expressed dis- to Regional Engineering College, Cahcut; sati:=.faction at the Pollution Control meas- ures being taken by Industries as reported in (d) if so, whether Union Government the Indian Express dated 4 July, 1990; have agreed to the recommendation of the Kerala Government; and (b) whether Government are aware that false certificates are being issued by certain (e) if not, the reasons therefor? officials of Pollution Control Agencies; 51 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 52 (c) whether Government have investi- ST~TEMENT gated into the report; and Besides bringing the idol thieves to book (d) if so, the outcome thereof and the through law enforcing agencies, the Govern- action taken or proposed? ment of India has taken following measures .to prevent thefts and smuggling of antiqui- THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT ties: AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) Yes, Sir. 1. Enforcement of the Antiquities and Art Treasures Act, 1972, which inter-alia (b) No, Sir. provides: (c) and (d). Does not arise. (i) compulsory registration of cer- tain categories of antiquities [ Translation] (sculptures in all meia. paintings and illustrated and illuminated .I \ Smuggling of Ancient Idols manuscripts); *261. SHRI RAMESHWAR PATIDAR: (ii) Recording the movement of Will the PRIME '-MiNiSTEFf .~ ph~asedto registered antiquitees; state: (iii) Dealing in antiquities to be re- (a) the number of ancient idols stolen stricted to licensed dealers; and from Jain temples and other ancient temples during the last one year; (iv) Restriction on export of antiqui- ties. (b) the number of idols recovered and the number of idols smuggled' out of the 2. Other measures include (i) posting of country; Armed Guards in important centrally pro- tected monuments/museums, (ii) mainte- (c) the action being taken by Govern- nance of sculpture-sheds and Archaeologi- ment against idol thieves and smugglers; cal museums at important sites, (iii) tighten- and ing of watch and ward arrangements includ- ing appointment of Security Officers, (iv) (d) the security measures being adopted posting of officers at important custom points to prevent such incidents? to help the customs anthorities and (v) set- ting up of Expert Advisory Committees for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE examination of art/craft objects of be ex- MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- ported. VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) and (b). During 1989,61 idols were stolen from Jain temples and 786 idols 3. After the ratification of the Unesco trom other temples. 157 idols were recov- Convention on the Means of Prohibiting Illicit ered during the same period. There is no Import. Export and Transfer of Cultural Prop- information as to the numbers smuggled erties in 1977, India is in a position to put outside the country. claims forthe return of stolenllost antiquities and art treasures of Indian origin from the (c) and (d). Statement is given below: country where these surface. 53 EII-WlAA 5. 1912 (S4Y(A) INIiIten Answers 54 4. Arr Aftdqua Call hmrbaerrapanect in (c) the steps taken to fill the backlog of the Central BtueauGf Investigatianfarinves- r&saJV.ed'vacancias under the present Spa- tigation into caSes at thefts- and Joss- of atlp e:ial Recruitment Driva? tiquitias.. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~(~ (~ 0 ;!ish] / J {50 MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- Backlog of SClST Vacancies In SAl VELOPMENT (SHAI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA~: (a) and (b). Figures in respect of *262. StlRI ANADI CHARAN QAS~ Will the corporate Office, of the Sports Authority the PRlME MINISTER be pleased to- state: of India at New Delhi, are given in the State- ment below. Information in respect of the (a) the total number of employees in subordinate offices of SAl is being collected. Sports Authority of India (SAl). category- wise and the number of SCslSTs amongst them; (c) As a result of the Special Reauit- ment Drive for SC/ST over the past one year (b) the number of bacldog of le99rved period, the backlog at the corporate Office vacancies as on 30 June. 1990. category- has come down. Further sustained efforts wise; and will continue. 55 Written Answers AUGUST271990 Written AnsWBIS 56 c c c 0 c c 0 0 .Q en 0 0 ·iii 'U en ·iii cu ~ as _g ~ ·iii :; :; :; 'E CD ~ "5 a. 'E a. a. :; CD 0 CD CD CD "tV a. a. (/) "0 CD CD "0 U "0 "0 "0 "0 C C C C CD =g ~ c c: 0 0 0 0 Cd 0 0 C') C') t-- C') 5 0 t- o CJ) ...... ~ is Cd (.) Q) co CJ) .s: ...... c:: CJ) eo ~ g, CJ) ~ en (.) ~ CJ) "- ~ ..... z Cs .9 CJ) ~ Q) ;:, ~ "'t:I U.I ~ ~ ~ ~ en (.) ~ ~ CJ) 1.0 '"en 8. i: ..c:: Q) ~ en c: "'I- C') C'\I 0 C') e ~ Q.. 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SHRt HARtSHANKARMAHAlE: Will the PRiME MINISTER be J)leasea-to state: mE MINISTER OF STATE IN TIlE MINISTRY OF PlANNING AND THE MIN- (a) whether Government propose to set ISTER OF STAlE IN ll-IE MINISTRY OF up heavy industries in the Publk: sector in PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI Maharashtra; and BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) and (b). Im- proving efficiency of the public sector enter- (b) if so, the details thereof? prises is a continuous process. In this regard various measures such as change in prod- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE uct-mix, technological upgradation, improved MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND THE MIN- maintenance management practices. energy ISTER OF STATE IN lHE MINISTRY OF conservation, modernisation and rehabilita- PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI tion, organisational restructuring etc. are BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) and (b). There taken. A new concept of Memorandum of is no proposal under consideration of the Understanding (MOU) has been introduced Government to set up heavy industry in which clarifies the mutual obligations of the Public Sector in the State of Maharashtra. public sector enterprises and the a~ministra tive Ministries in achieving improved per- [English] formance. Steps to Improve Efficiency of Public (c) and (d). The impact of blJdgetary Sector Undertakings constraints on the development of public sector e'lterprises will vary from case to 2818. SHRI PRA~§!:LY._PAT.!h: case. However, as an overall measure, SHRI DALPAT SINGH PAR- proposals for new investments will be re- ASTE: -- --~--- viewed carefully by Govt. in consonance SHRI MANJAI LAL; with the new priorities and multiple demands SHRI PHOOl CHAND for investment resources. Efforts will be made VERMA: within the overall constraints of resources to provide adequate allocations for approved projects. ( • \ J.-. r ( I, Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased / ~ 1 :1, I l.A..~ ,C"-J ,J_.l:::\,~ __ l' to state: { y Earth Tremors (a) whether Government propose to take 2819. SHRIN. DENNIS:WiJlthePRIME any new steps to hnprove the efficiency of MINISTER be pleased"testate: various Public Sector Undertakings; (a) the places in the country where (b) if so', the details thereof; earth tremors have been recorded during the last three years; and (c) whether budgetary constraints on the public sector undertakings are going to (b) the intensity of each of them? 71 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 72 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of the India Meteorolog ical Department since MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOl- 1987, are given in the statement below. OGY (PROF. M. G.K. MENON): (a) and (b). Sometimes. weak tremors may be felt locally Date, location of the epicenter, region and but the signals are not strong enough tor magnitude of the measurtmle earth tremors epicentral measurements/computations. originating in or near the Indian territory and Such weak tremors are' not of much conse- recorded by the seismological observatories quence. 73 Writt9n AnSW91S BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Writt9n Answ91S 74 m o o «i- II) II) ..c. (fl (J) "0 (0 ..c. ..c. (p (fl (D (D en ct Q) Q) "E "0 "E "E (ij ... 0 (0 0 0 "'5J ..c. 'e co co 0 ..c. co (0 en (0 c': 1a 10 c': c (0 10 a. a. 10 ::;) ::.:::: '0 ..c. (J) Q) ..c. c c:: 0 Z z E -;b c .Q (0 (ij (ij < c;;- CI) c to to &lc ..c. E .Q ::J a. a. ::J "t: u; ... t» ~ Q) :0 Q) :0 0 :s (0 ::;) Q) cr: < Z .E Z .E « Z :§. w cca: I- Z ...... w ~ :::E ..... 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Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- (a) whether the National Rights Asso- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI ciation of Blind has demanded reservation in MEHTA): (a) The Delhi Public Library, Delhi Group A and B posts and filling up of backlog runs 173 service points in Delhi and the Delhi in Groups C and D posts; and Administration operates 49 Public Libraries in the City. (b) if so, the details thereof and the reaction of Government thereto? (b) No, Sir. (c) and (d). Do not arise. \~ THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI VISH- t.. WANATH PRATAP SINGH): (a) and (b). Amount Allotted for Education Government has under consideration the demands from various associations working 2822. ~~;_ EBAQI::iA~I: Will the for the welfare of the blinds and the physi- PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: cally handicapped, on resevation for the physically handicapped in Groups A and B (a) the amount allotted to State Govern- posts. ments for education during this year, state- wise; Special Recruitment Drive was started in 1987 for filling up the backlog of vacancies (b) whether there is any formula fixing reserved for visually handicapped and hear- the extent of Central help to State Govern- ing handicapped. A special examination has ments; and also been held on 17.6.90 to clear the back- log as eXisting on 1.4.1990. (c) if so, the details thereof? {r 7 Public Libraries in Delhi THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- 2821. SHRIMATI VASilllQHA.RA VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI RAJE:Wilithe PRiME MINISTERbepl~as~d MEHTA): (a) A Statement is given below. to state: (a) the number of Public Libraries in (b) and (c). Central assistanc~toStates Delhi; under the Centrally Sponsored Schemes in the Education sector is made on need basis (b) whether Government are aware of within the overall resource constraint. AS$is- the poor state of affairs of the Public librar- tance under Border Area Development ies in Delhi; (Education) Programme is in the nature of additionality to the State Plans of J & K. (c) if so. the steps taken to improve the Punjab. Gujarat and Rajasthan. 119 Written AnswelS AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnSwelS 120 STATEMENT Approved plan outlay 1990-91 for Education-State Sector. (Rs. in lakhs) S.No. State Total Education 1 2 3 1. Andhra Pradesh 5300 2. Arunachal Pradesh 2415 3. Assam 7295 4. Bihar 13115 5. Goa 1760 6. Gujarat 3806 7. Haryana 4035 8. Himachal Pradesh 3885 9. Jammu & Kashmir 5318 10. Karnataka 6265 11. Kerala 2369 12. Madhya Pradesh 16537 13. Maharashtra 6060 14. Manipur 1450 15. Meghalaya 1848 16. Mizoram 1017 17. Nagaland 1297 18. Orissa 10492 19. Punjab 3916 121 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 122 S.No. State Total Education 1 2 3 20. Rajasthan 84n 21. Sikkim 1050 22. Tamil Nadu 3721 23. Tripura 1973 24. Uttar Pradesh 18683 25. West Bengal 8471 U.T. 26. A & N islands 1044.63 27. Chandigarh 897.00 28. Dadra & Nagar Haveli 188.54 29. -Delhi 7261.00 30. Daman & Diu 173.27 31. Lakshadweep 166.92 32. Pondicherry 1450.00 Total (States & UTs) 151736.36 I)_ I Residential Educational Institutions In (c) if not, the alternative arrangements Punjab made by Government before permitting these institutions to become residential; 2823. BABA SUCHA SINGH: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (d) whether the Government propose to re-convert these institutions as non-residen- (a) the number of sites for residential tial to cater to the needs of the people living edUcational institutions in the urban-areas of in the vicinities; and Punjab; (e) the proposals for regulation and (b) whetherthese are in addition to non- control of such institutions to cater to the residential institutions in the vicinities; needs of the local residents only? 123 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 124 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the details of financial assistaryce MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- given to Gujarat State during the last three VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI years for the development of Forests? MEHTA): (a) to (e). The information is being collected and will be laid on the table of the THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT S.~pha. AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ,- j """7- ROUTRAY): (a) The Government of Gujarat \ " loss of ~ Due to Fire I.., G..!:!Jarat has reported that the estimated loss of forest due to fire during the last three years in the State is as follows:- 2824. S..t!!:!!.BA!:_WANLMAN~R: Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND Year Loss of Area FORESTS be pleased to state: (in hectares) (a) the estimate regarding loss of forest , 986-87 8,095 duetofire and felling of tree in Gujaratduring the last three years; 1987-88 5,050 (b) the details of preventive measures 1988-89 3,792 taken by Government to prevent felling of trees and to control and prevent fires in the The loss of trees due to felling alongwith forests; and the estimated value is as follows:- Year No. of trees fellea value (in Rs. lakhs) 1987-88 76248 463.76 1988-89 47186 273.99 1989-90 26607 157.35 (b) The following measures have been Iished to keep effective watch taken by the State Government to prevent and control over forest produce felling of trees: in transit. Measures taken to control and prevent (i) constant patrolling is done by the fires in forest include: mobile squard units and strike force unit, in addition to the pa- trolling done by the Forest Staff. 1. formation of fire lines along in- spection paths, road sides, (ii) The forest staff has been pro- compartment boundaries etc. in vided with Arms & Wireless sets the forest areas. to deal effectively with forest of- fenders. 2. Regular patrolling by fire guards to detect & extinguish the forest (iii) check posts have ben estab- fire. 125 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 126 3. Setting up of watch Towers to (c) Details of financial assistance given detect the location of fire and to Government of Gujarat for protection of extinguish the same with the help forests and for afforestation during the last of local villagers. three years are as follows:- Year Protection of forests Afforestation (Rs. in lakhs) 1987-88 6.64 2989.86 1988-89 10.21 3168.00 1989-90 16.32 3355.00 , -:z.-. Progress Regarding Ganga Action Plan of water-borne. di~~a5es has increased in in West Bengal districts of West Bengal through which the Ganga passes. 2825. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL Will the Minister of ENV'fRON'itfEN"(AND (c) The completion of 110 schemes FORESTS be pleased to state: .taken up under the Ganga Action Plan in West Bengal which indude schemes to in- (a) the total expenditure incurred to tercept, divert and treat approximately 330 check water pollution in the Ganges under million litters of waste water flowing per day the Ganga Action Plan in the West Bengal in the Ganga and the setting of low cost State so far; sanitation facilities and electric crematoria along the banks and other river-front devel- (b) whether the Ganga continues to opment schemes, would help countenance pose health hazards and the number of the problem. water-borne diseases has increased in some districts of West Bengal through which Ganga [ Translation] ~) ( passes; and I .' 0 Afforestation in Bihar (c) if so, tl)e steps being taken to coun- tenance these health hazards? 2826. SHRI SHIBU SOREN: Will the Ministerof ENViRC)NMENTAND"f:aRESTS THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT be pleased to state: AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) An expenditure of Rs. 77.84 (a) Whether any grant is being provided crores has been incurred 50 far in the to voluntary organisations for afforestatiOns schemes being executed under the Ganga programmes/schemes; Action Plan in West Bengal. (b) if so, the extent thereof; and (b) Faecal coliforms in higher than permissible levels occur in the Ganga wa- (c) the target fixed for afforestation for ters. From the data available with the Direc- the year 1990-91 in Bihar and the amount torate General of Health Services, it is not being sanctioned by Union Government for possible to determ ine whether the incidence this purpose? 127 Written Answets AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answeus 128 THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT made on limited tender basis. AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). Financial assis- (b) and (c). During the last two years tance is provided to the voluntary agencies purchase orders amounting to approximately for afforestation and wastelands develop- Rs. 5.5 lakhs have been placed by different ment activities under the Grants-in-aid divisions of HAL both on private and public Scheme of the National Wastelands Devel- sector Companies. These orders are placed opment Board. During the Seventh Rve Year by-different division of HAL based on the Plan period, a total amount of Rs. 1629.03 offers received against tender enquiries, on lakhs was released to various voluntary price,... and quality considerations. agencies all over the country under the \ "'-j. i) scheme. , "Coal Projects Pending Clearance" (c) The above mentioned scheme does 2828. SHRI SHANTARAM not provide for fixing State-wise targets. POTDUKHE: Will the Minister of ENViRc5N: Financial assistance is provided to the vol- MEN I ANDFORESTS be pleased to state: untary agencies on the basis of their project proposals on merits. An amount of Rs. 12.81 (a) whether a large number of coal lakhs has been sanctioned and released so projects of the Central Coal Fields Limited, a far during 1990-91 to voluntary agencies in subsidiary of Coal India ltd. are awaiting Bihar for taking up projects for afforestation clearance from the Environmental Appraisal and wastelands development activities. Committee; f "\ ~t "; [English] 1-; T' k 'l\ ~, ,'" 1 \ r"~' 0\ I)} (b) if so, the reasons for holding up \~ ") L ~' (b) when the Committee is expected to (b) To recommend systems for the submit its report? periodic review and control of expenditure. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA (c) To examine and report on such RAMANNA): (a) Statement is given below. further issues as may be referred by Government. (b) By 31.12.1990. 3. The Chairman is entitled to' a consoli- STATEMENT dated fee of Rs. 10,000 per month, use of staff car for local journeys and reimburse- Composition of the Committee on De- ment of telephone charges incurred by him fence Expenditure is as under:- on the Committee's work. While on tour in connection with the Committee's work, he Shri Arun Singh Chairman will be entitled to T A and DA and use of Government/Public Sector guest houses as Members admissible to Government officer of the highest grade. On joining and demitting of- 1. Air marshal K. D. Chadha (Re- fice, he is entitled to air/rail fare between the tired). normal place of residence and Delhi, for self and spouse. 2. Shri C. L. Chaudhry-Financial Adviser (Defence Services), 4. Those Members who are retired Ministry of Defence. Government servants are entitled to a p9T diem allowance of Rs. 200/- for each day on 3. Lt. Gen. K. K. Hazari (Retired) which they attend to the 'work of the Commit- tee. They would also continue to draw pen- 4. Lt. Gen. B. C. Nanda (Retired) sion and relief thereon. Local members are reimbursed conveyance charges subject not 5. Vice Admiral K. K. Nayyar (Re- a maximum of Rs. 75/- per day and charges tired) for telephone calls made for the Commit- tee's work from their private telephones. 6. Shri V. S. Jafa-Indian Defence Members proceeding on tour for the Com- 131 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 132 mittee's work will be entitled to Travelling been advised to allocate on lease basis the AliowancelDaily Allowance and use of Gov- ,forest and revenue lands to the voluntary ernmentlPublic Sector guest houses as organisations. However, with regard to admissible to Government officers of the degraded forest lands the Central Govern- rank of Secretary to Government. Shri Jafa, ment has recently issued guidelines for in- a serving officer, has been appointed as a volving the village communities and volun- full-time Member and shall continue to draw tary agencies in regeneration of degraded his normal pay and allow~ces. r \ forests. \ " \ o..~x-.~p. \ .?-..c,,).,__t } "' i ,._, '} \ ~ Funds for Tree ~Iantation In M.P. Youth Hostels 2830. SHRI LOKENDRA SINGH: Will 2831. SHRI SHANTILAL PURUSHOT- the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND TAMDASPATEL: Will the PRIME MINISTER FORESTS be pleased to state: be pleased to ;tate: (a) whether Government are aware that (a) the number of Youth Hostels at in larger States like Madhya Pradesh, a very present and the locations thereof, State wise; large area of land which lies under Forests and Revenue Departments, plantation has (b) whether there is any proposal to not been carried out on large scale, because construct more Youth Hostels in Gujarat of lack of funds; and during 1990-91; and (b) if so, whether Union Government (c) if so, the details thereof and the propose to advise to the State Governments amount sanctioned for the purpose? to allocate forest and revenue lands to the voluntary organisations on lease basis, to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE make the forestation programme asuccess? MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT MEHTA): (a) A Statement of 29 youth Hos- AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI tels functioning/completed in the country is ROUTRAY): (a) Afforestalion and tree plant- given below. ing activities are being earned out on !ands, including those of Forest and Revenue (b) and (c). The construction of Youth Departments, on a year to year basis, ac- Hostels at Bhavrragar, Pavagadh, Surat and cording to the availability of funds. The State Junagadh as recommended by Gujarat have and Central Plan outlays so far have enabled been approved in principle by the Central only a small portion of the wastelands to be Government. The work would be under- tackled each year. taken as and when suitable land measuring 2 to 3 acres is identified by the State Govern- (b) The State Governments have not ment and handed over. STATEMENT S. No Name of Youth Hostel StateslUTs. 2 3 1. Amritsar Punjab 133 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 134 S.No Name of Youth Hostel StateslUTs. 2 3 2. Bhopal Madhya Pradesh 3. Darjeellng West Bengal 4. Imphal Manipur 5. Mysore Karnataka 6. Panaji Goa 7. Patnitop Jammu & Kashmir 8. Shillong Meghalaya 9. Agra Uttar Pradesh 10. Nainital Uttar Pradesh 11. Dalhousie Himachal Pradesh 12. Gandhi Nagar Gujarat 13. Jaipur Rajasthan 14. Panchkula Haryana 15. Kurukshetra Haryana 16. Port Blair Andman & Nicobar Islands 17. Tnvandrum Kerala 18. Ernakulam Kerala 19. Calicut Kerala 20. Aurangabad Maharashtra 21. Dimapur Nagaland 22. Secunderabad Andhra Pradesh 23. Madras Tamil Nadu 135 Written Answets AUGUST271990 Written Answets 136 S.No Name of Youth Hostel StateslUTs. 2 3 24. Namchi Sikkim 25. Pondicherry Pondictlerry 26. Puri Orissa 27. Itanagar Arunachal Pradesh 28. Hassan Kamataka 29. Madurai Tamil Nadu. '0> (' y;" J<~:_(_ Purchases by C. O. D. Kanpur From (d) the details of purchases made duro Private Sector ing the last 3 years from both public sector as well as private sector companies? 2832. SHRI M. V. CHAtlPBASHEKARA MURTHY: '"WilT the"PRIME MINISTER be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE preased'lo state: MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA RAMANNA): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether Central Ordnance Depot, Checki and Kanpur have been purchasing (b) No Public Sector company has as various Painting, writing and industrial yet been identified as a source of Supply for brushes from the private manufacturers; this item by "the competent authority {Direc- tor General of Quality Assurance}. (b) whether the same products are available from some public sector compa- (c) does not arise. nies for purchases; (d) The details of purchases made (c) if so, the reasons for buying these during the last three years from private sec- products from private sector alone; and tor companies are given below:- 1986-87 1987-88 1988-89 Brushes Painting 2141 6430 9908 Brushes Writing 2378 5604 Brushes Miscellaneous 9064 12366 3708 137 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 138 LackI>' of PoUution Control Measures by they are situated with their original and pres- Cement Plants ent area and the reasons for their shrinking; and 2833. SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA t!,ARASIMHARAJA WAOIYAR: WiD the (c) the details of steps being taken to Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS give a new life to such dying lakes? be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT (a) whether cement plants in different AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI parts of the country have not taken adequate ROUTRAy): (a) Yes, Sir. pollution control measures; (b) No comprehensive list of such Lakes (b) whether Government have made is available but the~common reasons for the any estimate on the extent of pollution caused shrinkage of Lakes in India are siltation, by each of them; and encroachment, weed growth and eutropm- cation. (c) if so, the details thereof, plant-wise and preventive measures taken in this re- (c) Under the programme called ·Con- gard? servation Programme for Wetlands· some natural lakes have been identified for con- THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT servation and preparation of management AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI action plan. Assistance has been provided ROUTRAY): (a) to (c). Standardsforcement for such lakes towards: manufacturing units have been notified under the Environment (protection) Act. 1986. (I) Survey and Demarcation These standards are based on the size and location of the unit. An assessment on the (ii) Weed Control levels of emissions from the cement plants in the different states has been done by the (iii) Measures to control siltation State Pollution Control Boards. Of the 94 cement plants. 58 are complying with the (iv) MonitOring of water quality standards that have been laid down, 25 have been given a timebound implementation (v) Soil conservation programme, 6 are closed and five have not yet given a programme of implementation. (vi) Protective Measures ~o,..,..._~ a_,---tl \-(c· - IN..Ji Shrinking of Lakes (vii) Afforestation 2834. PROF. RAM GANESH KAPSE (viii) Environmental Awareness Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: [ Translation] ) 1& (a) whether a number of natural water Free Text Books to Students In Deihl lakes, including Dal Lake, in Kashmir, have shrunk considerably: 2835. SHRI M. S. PAL: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (b) if so, the total number of such lakes, their names and the States/districts where (a) whether free text-books are being 139 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 140 distributed to students in the Primary Schools the private tuition classes regularly; and of Municipal Corporation of Delhi; (c) if so, the action taken or proposed to (b) if so, how many months after the be taken to ban private tuition? beginning of each Session Students are usually distributed such books; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- (c) if these books are not distributed on VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI time, and reasons for the delay thereof? MEHTA): (a) to (c). While Government is generally aware that some College and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE University teachers engage in priVate tui- MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- tions, no specific complaints have been VELOPMENT, (SHRI CHIMANBHAI broughtto the notice of Government or UGC. MEHTA): (a) Yes, Sir. UGC has, however, formulated a code of professional eithics which has been circu- (b) and (c). Municipal Corporation of lated to all the universities and colleges. The Delhi purchases the textbooks from the code provides that teachers should refrain Bureau of Text Books, New Delhi on ad- from undertaking any other employment and vance payment. Such books are generally commitment including private tuitions and delivered on the opening of the schools after coaching classes which are likely to interfere summer vacation, i. e., about three-four with their professional responsibilities. It is months after commencement of the session for the Universities and Colleges and teach- in April. Delays do occur due to non-issue of ers themselves to follow the code of profes- cheques or non-printing of books in time. sional ethics. __ -,'," lAO '/ --'~'r' - r M.C.D. makes all efforts to distribute the text I -\ ...-Y )...... ',~ f".~ V bocks as soon as possible after the begin- Employment to Dependants of De- ning of the academic session. ceased Employees of Ordnance Fac- tory, Muradnagar [English] ~ ~ C'..r 2837. SHRI K. C. TYAGI: Will the \:)i':\ Ban on Private Tuition PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: 2836. SHRI A. K. ROY: Will the PRIME (a) the number of applications received MINISTER be pleased to siate: by Ordnance Factory, Muradnagar from the dependants of the deceased employees for (a) whether Government are aware that employment on compassionate grounds Professors and teachers even after provid- during the last three years; ing them better pay scale are still continuing private tuition at their houses on commercial (b) the number out of them who have basis; been given employment with complete de- tails of the persons employed, date of their (b) whether the students are being applications received, date of giving them compelled to avail this private coaching employment ana the reasons for delay, if classes at huge expenses only to pass the any; examinations in these hard days as many Professors and Teachers are not performing (c) the number of cases that have been their moral duties and social responsibility to rejected and on what grounds, application- build up the .future of the nation by holding wise; and 141 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 142 (d) the number of cases still under of requisite documents by the candidates, consideration with complete details of the unavoidable circumstances holding up applications received and the reasons for completion of administrative processing and delay in providing them employment? pre-recruitment formalities contribute to delay "in some cases. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA RAMANNA): (a) 90 applications were re- (c) Thirty cases, details are given in ceived during the period from 1.4.87 to Statement - " below. 31.7.90. (d) Sixleen Cases. Requisite details, (b) Forty Four Cases. Details are given alongwith the present status, are given in below in the Statement - I. Belated furnishing Statement - III below. 143 Written Answets AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answets 144 1;; Gi (.) Q) r--. ! co co co co co Q) co co co co ~ ~ co ~ co '0 co co i -.i N co u) 0 ~ ...... N ..... 10 cO e ai ai -.i co Lri al ai ai -.i -.i N r--: § 'O;t ...... N ...... N N ai U- N N ~ 0 9J as 9J 9J 9J (.) 9J 9J Q)~ ~ 9J >. ..0 .ri ~ .ri .ri C ..0 .ri .ri as ::::J as as ~ _. "'0 as ~ 'Ci as as _. _. Q) _. _. _. 0 _. _. _. ~ 1ii Q cu Q) Q 8. to..: ~ CW) .sa ...... co " ~ ...... C\.i C') - ... 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SHRI JANAK RAJ GUPTA: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (b) if so, the facts thereon and the action taken by the Government in this regard; and (a) whether in CSSS, Grades 'A' and 'B' Stenographers, are at present provided with (c) whether the C.B.R.I. or any other about 25 per cent promotional avenues to G.S.I.R. facility is perm~ed to extend such Group 'A' posts; assistance to private parties under formal contract or on informal basis? (b) whether similar avenues are avail- able to such Stenographers of AFHQ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- (c) the action proposed to be taken by OGY (PROF. M. G. K. MENON): (a) Yes, Government for providing AFHQ Stenogra- Sir. phers with promotional avenues equal to the avenues available to CSSS Stenographers (b) An oral enquiry was made by a Grade 'A' and 'B'? representative of Shri Ram Janmabhoomi Nyas, New Delhi regarding the possibility of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE technical evaluation of Makrana Marble and MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA red sand stone at CBRI. He was informed RAMANNA): (a) and (b). No, Sir. that currently facility for this did not exists at Central Building Research Institute (CBRI). {c} Though the Armed Forces Head- This was subsequently confirmed in writing. quarters Stenographers' Service is patterned on the Central Secretariat StenograRhers' (c) CSRI provides consultancy services Service, in view of the variance between the to private parties only within the areas of strength and profile of the two cadres and activity of the Institute and under guidelines because of the administrative and organisa- on technology transfer issued by the CSIR. tional requirements of the latter, it is not These are on the basis of a formal contract. practicable to provide identical promotional avenues in all respects to the members of [ Translation] the two Services. Of' I '? ~) f' '. I ),- t " - 7_) 1V:..u ~\'~ .~.~:" Amount Invested in Public Sector Newsitem Captioned" Official Lab. Undertakings In GujaraC~- Used for Tests" 2840. SHRI KASHIRAM RANA: Will 2839. SHBI ABDUL SAMAD: Will the the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: PRIME MiNiSTER be pleased' to stafe: ~a) the total amount invested by the (a) whether the attention of the Govern- Union Government in various Public Sector ment has been drawn to a report appearing Enterprises in Gujarat till 31.3.90 and the in the "SundayOberver". NewDelhiof 1 July, number of enterprises in which the invest- 1990 about technical assistance stated to ment has been made; have been rendered by the Central Building Research Institute, Roorki or some senior (b) the details of profit earned and loss 1 75 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 176 suffered by these industries during 1989-90; two units of Rajasthan Atomic Power Station and (RAPS) are presently in operation. (c) the details of the amount invested in (b) No, Sir. Public Sector Enterprises in all the States of the country? (c) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Cd) Yes Sir. Two more UI;titS each of 235 MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER MWe capacity (RAPP 3 & 4) are under OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- ,construction. In addition, four units, each of GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI 500 MWe capacity, (RAPP 5-8), will be set BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) to (c). Invest- up at the same site. ment in gross block, profits earned or losses incurred by the Central Public Sector Enter- prises with their registered offices in the (e) The basis of setting up of additional State of Gujarat and in all the other States units are suitabilility of the site, availability of during 1989-90 will be available after receipt necessary infrastructure and meeting the and compilation of the annual audited ac- electricity needs of the Northern Electricity counts of the enterprises towards the end of region including Rajasthan, which is located this year. at great distance from the coal fields making " ..-" the generation of thermal power much more • \ t ~, ~'j '-1 [EnglIsh] '~uf'.... ,( (t.;I-., ..,. ~'(.: expensive than near the pit-heads, The sanctioned cost estimate of units 3 & 4 of \14 Rajasthan Atomic Power Station Rajasthan Atomic Power Project, presently under construction, is Rs. 711.57 crores, 2841. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Will the The additional units (RAPP 5-8) proposed to PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: be set up at this site are of a new larger type, namely 500 MWe, and the detailed cost (a) the present state of the first two units estimates will be finalised after environmental of Rajasthan Atomic Power Station; clearance is obtained and basic financial sanction accorded by the Government. (b) whether this project is' now being \ I £ ~uc.lC_~ E1~C."_1 renamed as 'Rawatbhatta'; Scarcity of Water for New Atomic Power Unit in Rajasthan (c) if so, the reasons therefor; Cd) whether some further units are 2842. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Will the being constructed and still further units have PRIME MINISTER be pleasedtO state: been planned for construction at the same site; and (a) whether Government are aware that there is acute scarcity of water at the site (e) if so, on what basis ad at what cost whf-,e construction of two further units of the construction of further projects in Rajast- Atomic Power Plant has been taken up in han have been approved? Rajasthan; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN. THE (b) the requirement of water for the MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- Atomic Power Plant and the availability of OGY (PROF. M. G. K. MENON): (a) Thefirst water at that site in Rajasthan? 1n Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 178 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) Orders valued at Rs. 2.42 crores MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- have been placed. OGY (PROF. M. G. K. MENON): (a) There is no shortage of water to meet the require- (c) No, Sir. ments of Rajasthan Atomic Power Station (RAPP Units I & II) in operation, or of Rajast- (2) Question does not arise. han Atomic Power Project (RAPP 3 & 4) I!~ under construction, While it is true that the Proposal to Take Over Private Recog- lake level of Rana Pratap Sagar had gone nised Schools down considerably during the summer months, it did not affect the plant operation or 2844. SHRI KIRPAL SINGH: Will the project construction. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (b) The availability of water forihe units (a) whether Government propose to at the site is from Rana Pratap Sagar reser- take over the private recognised schools in voir. The drawal of water at the operational Delhi which are running on Government land stage for the 2 units i.e. 3 & 4 will only be where the number of students are 600 or about 3000 cubic metres per hour, due to more; and adoption of Natural Draft Cooling Tower for condenser cooling. During construction stage (b) if not, the reasons thereof? the peak requirement of water is about 300 cubic metres per hour for RAPP 3 & 4. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE I /1 ~a.,~ MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- Order Placed by M.Ol.. for Steering, VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI Gear and Stabilizers MEHTA): (a) No, Sir. 2843. PROF. SAVITHRI LAKSH- (b) There is no such policy to take over MANAN: Will the PRIMEMINisTER-b~ schools on the basis that they are running on pleased to state: Government land with 600 or more students. \ -I ,~~ (a) whether Indian navy, through Transfer Polley of Technical and Mazagaon Dock Limited, Bombay, placed Administrative Staff of NCERT any order in May 1988 for Steering, Gear and Stabilizeer controls for ships; 2845. SHRI HARISH PAL: Will the PRIME MINiSTERbe pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof; (a) the transfer policy being followed in (c) whether the Navy is now proposing respect of technical and administrative staff to split the order; and of NCERT; (b) whether some storekeepers were (d) if so, the reasons thereof? transferred recently in contravention of the exblrng policy; and (c) if so, the reasons therefor? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE RAMANNA): (a) The orders for Steering MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- Gear and Stabilizer controls were placed in VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI July, 1988. MEHTA): (a) The transfer of the technical 179 Written AnswelS AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnswelS 180 and administrative staff of the 'NCERT is forests: approximately 12 lakh generally effected keeping in view adminis- hectares. . trative efficiency and exigencies. 1n addition Sandalwood accrues on pri- (b) Some Storekeepers were trans- vate lands the area for which has not been ferred recently as part of the effort to improve computed. the functioning of the stores in the NCERT. The storekeepers transferred had completed (b) The area under sandalwood forest five years or more in a particular store. during 1988. 1989 and 1990 has remained unchanged. (c) Does not arise. (c) Steps taken to check denudation of sandal-Wood Forests- sandalwood forest include: 2846. SHRIJANARDHANAPQOJ~Y: (1) Financial assistance for an amount SHRI P. R. KU~~.RA~~_~~~ of Rs. 20 lakhs and Rs. 40 lakhs has been LAM: provided to Government of Karnataka and Tamilnadu respectively for procurement of Will the Minister of ENVIRONEMTN arms and equipment to equip forest officials AND FORESTS be pleased to state: in protection of sandalwood forests. (a) the total area under Sandalwood (2) Steps have been initiated to make a forests in Karnataka as on 31 July, 1990; uniform legislation involving sandalwood trade all over the country. (b) what was the area in the same period in 1988 and 1989: (3) Export of sandalwood pieces of more than 50 gms. weight has been banned. (c) the steps taken to check denudation of sandalwood forests and to increase it; (4) Guidelines have been issued to the State Governments in respect of the follow- (d) whether Government propose to ing:- develop sandal wood forests in any other part of the country; and (i) Legal procurement certificate of one State should not be valued (e) if 30, the details thereof? in other States. (ii) Amount of reward to informers THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT should increase from the pres- AND FOREST (SHRI NILAMANJ ent rate of 5% to 20% of the value ROUTRAY): (a) According to information of wood seized. given by Government of Karnataka, the total area under sandalwood forest in Karnataka {iii} Common Task Force of 3 States as on 31st July. 1990 is as tollows:- of Kerala.; Karnataka, and Tamilnadu should be formed (i) Sandalwood plantations: 200 which should include officials of hectares. both Forest ·and Police Depart~ ments for operating in the border (ii) Natural Sandalwood in mixed areas. 181 Written Answers BHADRA5.1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 182 (d) and (e). The Government is not (c) if not, the reasons therefor: proposing to develop sandalwood forests outside its natural zone of di~ribution. (d) the total number of P.G.Ts pro- 18' <;(~ / ~T5 10 l) (..s moted as Vice Principals since 1983 and the SC/ST Teachers In Deihl Administration number of persons belonging to S. C.lS. T. out of them; and 2847. SHRICHHAVIRAMARGAL:- Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (e) by when the reserved quota is likely to be fulfilled? (a) the total number of Post Graduate Teachers, Vice Principals and Principals THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE separately in the Schools of Delhi Admini- MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- stration and the number of persOns belong- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI ing to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled MEHTA): (a) According to the information Tribes out of them; furnished by Delhi Administration the pres- ent strength of Post Graduate Teachers, (b) whether the quota reserved for S. Vice-principals and Principals belonging to C.lS.T. in these categories has been ful- General Category and SC/ST Category is as filled; follows: post Graduate Vice Principals Principals Teachers Others 4950 528 331 SC/ST 832 10 103 (Percentage of SC/ST) 14% 1.8% 23.7% Total 5782 538 434 (b) No, Sir. date, out of which 15 belong to the Sched- uled Castes. Out of these, 5 have since been (c) The SC/ST quota could not be filled 'promoted as Principals. up due to non-availability of eligible candi- dates in the feeder category for promotion. In (e) As regards filling up the reserved the cases of PGT. 75% 01 posts are fil\ed by posts falling under direct recruitment o.uota, promotion and 25% by direct recruitment. the Delhi Administration has already issued Posts of Vice Principals are filled only by an advertisement for direct recruitment for promotion. Posts of Principal are filled 50% the posts of Post Graduate Teachers and for by promotiio and 50% by direct recruitment. two vacant posts of Principals a requisition has been sent to U.P.S.C. Where a backlog (d) According to the Delhi Administra- of promotion vacancies exists. it is filled as tion 816 Post Graduate Teachers have been per rule as and when eligible candidates promoted to the post of Vice-Principals to become available. 1,83 Written An!t"e~' , _ r- AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnsW9rs 184 { >J_ . , .... Complaints Against T. V. Companies par informatIon received from Indian TV Manufacturers ASSOCIation, annual servIce 2848 SHRI SARJU PRASAD contract charges vary from company to SAAOJ W," the PRIME MINISTER be company and typ,cal Charges are Rs 250/- Pleaseo to state for B&W TV and As 400/- for colour TV TYPIcal charges for one tIme servICe are Rs (a) whether TV companIes particularly 351- for B & W TV and Rs 751- tor colour TV OnIda TV are not attendIng the servIce complaInts of the consumers promptly, If any consumer considers that the serv- (b) 11 so, whether Government have set ICe charges of any company are unreason- up an:y eedu~ssa\ cell toe 9ne\Jances ot the ab\e, he caC\ see\<. tedtessa\ C)\ hIS gne'Jance consumers, through the machInery set up under the Consumer ProtectIon Act 1986 (c) the remedial steps Government jI. \. 1 propose to take against such companies, [ TranslatIon) \ .. and \ ~ y Book Policy (d) whether the servIce charges of these companies are unreasonably high and 2849 SHRI GIRDHARILAL BHAR- II so the reasons thereof? GAVA Will the PRIME MINISTER b; ~\ostate THE MlNlSTER 01= SI AlE IN IHE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- (a) whe!her there IS any BOOK pellcy of OGY (PROF M G K MENON) (a) to (c) Government, Under the Consumer Protection Act, 1986, a three tier quasl-JL.dlclal machinery at district, (b) whether Sahltya Akade"" and the state and national level for redressal 01 PublicatIon D,VISIon are also engaged In consumer grievances has been set up A publishing the books In addItion to the Na- Consumttr Interface Cell IS also operating In tIonal Book Trust, and tho Department of Electronics which takes up the complaints from consumers directly wIth the manufacturers of consumer elec- (c) whether Government propose to tronic rtems Dunng the penod January' 989 entrust the work of formulating the National to July 1990, 56 complaints pertammg to Book Policy and Its ImplementatIon to the vanous TV brands (Including two relating to National Book Trust and If so, tha datalls the Onida brand) were received by the cell thereof? These were taken up with TV Set manufac- turers and most of them have been resolved to the satisfaction of the customers THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI (d) After sales servICe dunng the war- MEHTA) (a) No, Srr ranty penod IS provided free of charge by TV companres After thIS pertod, a customer can eIther enter Into an annual servICe contract (b) Yes, SIr. With the company Of as'K. fOT seTV\CG centrest dea/ers/mdlVldual servlC9 technICIans As (c) No, Sir 185 Writt9n AnSW9/S BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Writt9n AnsW91S 186 [English] [ Translation] Ig> \;6 Strike at Indian Rare Earths Limited Adult Education Programme In U. P. Gopalpur, Orissa 2851. DR. BENGALI SINGH. Will the 2850. SHRI GOPI NATH- GAJAPATHI: PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (a) the nl!mber of Government and voluntary rnstritutlons at present working In Uttar Pradesh under the Adult EducatIOn (a) the reasons for the frequent stnkes programme; at Indian Rare Earths Limited, Gopalpur in Orissa, and (b) the details of annual financial and other assistance being provided to these (b) the details of the steps taken by the institutions; Government for the solutIon of the problems and to restore peace and normalcy there? (c) whether their work is being re- Viewed; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) If so, the results thereof? MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- OGY (PROF. M. G. K. MENON): (a) There THE M\N\STER OF STA.TE \N 1"HE was only one Instance of a stnke, from 31 7 90 MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- to 78.90, dUring the entire penod of about 1 2 VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI years. at the factory of Indian Rare Earths MEHTA) (a) and (b). Government of Uttar Ltd., located at Chhatrapur In OrISsa There Pradesh IS running 32,400 Adult EducatIon are no reasons for repeated strikes In the Centres under 63 Rural Functional Literacy said plant. Projects (Centrally Sponsored Scheme) and 45 State Adult Education Programme (State Scheme) dUring the current year. In addition (b) The strike mentioned In (a) above to 510 Adult EducatIon Centres under UnI- was resolved by way of signing a settlement versity Sector EstImated cost for one year under Section 12 (3) of Industrial dIsputes for 108 projects IS Rs. 1 68 crores. The Act. arrtved at by the Unton and the Manage- number of voluntary instItutions with details ment As a result the stnke has beer) called of finanCial assistance prOVIded is given off and normalcy has been restored. below: Year No. of voluntary institutions Total grant released 1987-88 84 Rs. 1,39,39,570.00 1988-89 48 As. 65.52.259.00 1989-90 98 Rs. 3,10,55,507.00 State Resource Centre at Lucknow to these institutions. provides training and othertechnical support 187 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 188 (c) Yes, Sir. Adult Education Programme des could also be doubtful. in Uttar Pradesh is being evaluated by an Evaluation Division set up by State Govern- Appropriate follow-up action is being ment as well as External Evaluation Agen- taken wherever report is adverse. cies identified for this purpose. Officers of the Adult Education Department of Govern- [English] ment of Uttar Pradesh also generally over- \~~ see the work of these voluntary institutions Clearance to Upper Budhlra and and send reports whenever necessary. Uppatunga Schemes Besides, Government of India had set up Joint Evaluation Teams to evaluate the work 2852. SHRI D. K. NAIKAR: Will the of voluntary agencies in 1987. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (d) During 1987-88 Joint Evaluation (a) whether Karnataka Government Teams consisting of a representative of has sent Upper Budhira and Uppatunga Government of India, a representative of projects for clearance of the Planning Com- State Government and a non official mem- mission; ber had conducted evaluation of voluntary agencies. The voluntary agencies were (b) if so, the details thereof; graded based on their performance as de- tailed below:- (c) whether the Planning Commission has cleared these projects; if so, the details AI3 B/27 C-1/15 C-2116 0/21 thereof; and The above categorisation was based on (d) if not, the reasons therefor? the following criteria:- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE A Voluntary Agencies whose MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER performance was found OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- absolutely satisfactory. GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) No, Sir. B Voluntary Agencies which implemented the pro- (b) to (d). Do not arise. gramme sincerely with short- comings. \£~ C & AG's Observation on CSIR Review C-1 Voluntary Agencies which Committee --,~- implemented the pro- gramme sincerely with short- 2853. PROF. VIJAY KUMAR comings. MALHOT~ Will the PRlMEMINISTER-b; pleased to state: C-2 - Voluntary Agencies which are not capable enough for (a) whether any action has been taken continuing programme. on the observation of C & AG in respect of CSIR Review Committee 1988 as contained D Voluntary Agencies whose in Paras 39 to 52 of his Report on Scientific performance was not at all Departments pertaining to CSIR (No.2 of satisfactory or whose bonafi- 1990) for the year eding 31-3-1989. 189 Written Answers BHADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 190 (b) if so, the reaction of Government on report from the Chef-de-Mission and also the observations of C & AG; and comments of the Indian Olympic Associa- tion. It has been reported that the Indian (c) whether Government propose to Contingent hosted a Dinner (Reception) on take any remedial action in this regard? January 26, 1990 at Gandhi Hall, Auckland. Apart from prominent local Indians and Chef- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE de-missions of various Contingents from MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- neighbouring Countries, the representatives OGY (PROF. M. G. K. MENON): (a) to (c). of some other selected countries, the Chair- ot the 14 paras pertaining to CSIR namely ·man of the Commonwealth Games Commit- 39 to 52 in the C & AG's Report for year tee. President and Chairman of the Games ending 31 st March, 1989 on Scientific De- Organising Committee and the Governor partments (No. 2 of 1990), only. para 50 " General of New Zealand attended the Re- Continuance of Research on Centre of ception. Similar Receptions were also hosted Central Institute of Medicinal and Aromatic by others in which drinks, including liquor, Plants at Tung. Darjeeling", relates to the were served. Atthe Reception hosted by the CSIR Review Committee, 1988. This Centre Indian contingent, soft drinks were served has since been closed w.e.f. 16.5.1990. along with wine and beer. ot the remaining 13 paras of 'the C & (c) No official has been held respon- AG's Report. action has since been com- sible. However all National Sports Federa- pleted in respect of six paras (para 39,42,43. tions and the Indian Olympic Association 46,47 & 48). Concerning the remaining 7 have been advised to avoid serving of even paras (Para No. 40,41,44, 45,49, 51 & 52) beer and wine on such functions. vigorous efforts are being made to complete \ ~ ') the action at the earliest. t \ Small Farmers and Landless Farmers I ~9 ~tA...r J_q-'>.:..tJ.. r---t\. Below Poverty Line ---- Drinks at a Party Hosted at Com- mowealth Games In Auckland 2855. SHRI BABANRAO DHAKNE: Will the PRIME MINISTER bepieaseoto 2854. SHRI ARVIND NETAM: Will the state: PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have made (a) whether Government have since any assessment about the percentage of completed investigations regarding serving small farmers and landless labourers who drinks at a party hosted during the last are likely to go below poverty line due to Commonwealth Games in January, 1990 in severe flood conditions and drought in vari- Auckland; ous States; (b) if so, the details thereof; and (b) if so, the outcome thereof; and (c) the remedial steps taken or contem- plated by the Union Government in this (c) the action taken against officials regard? held responsible? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI MEHTA): (a) and (b). Govt. had called for a BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) No, Sir. 191 Written AnswelS AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnswelS 192 (b) Does not arise. recognised institutions are also imparting school education through correspondence; (c) As per the Ninth Finance Commis- sion's recommendations, (as already ac- (d) if so, the names of these institutions cepted by the Govt. of India) Union Govern- with course being conducted by each such ment is to contribute each year 75% of the institution; calamity relief fund prescribed by the com- mission for each State. The provision of (e) whether Government propose to relief is the responsibility of the State Gov- take some action against unrecognised in- ernment. stitutions for imparting education in an illegal ~\ manner; Education Through Correspondence (f) if so, the details thereof; and 2856. SHRI PRAT APRAO B. BHOSALE: Will the PRIME MINISTER be (g) if not, the reasons therefor? pleasedto state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether some Government institu- MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- tions are imparting school education through VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI correspondence; MEHTA): (a) to (g). The courses offered by and the admission criteria in the National (b) if so, the names of these institutions Open School (NOS), an autonomous or- and courses being conducted by these insti- ganisation set upbytheGovernmentof India tutions with criteria for admission to each and Patrachar Vidyalaya at Delhi Admini- course. stration imparting School education through correspondence are:- (c) whether some recognised and un- Courses offered NOS Bridge, Secondary and Senior Secondary Patrachar Vidyalaya Secondary and Senior Secondary (only in Humanities, Commerce and Science Streams) as per CBSE- syllabi. Admission criteria NOS (i) Bridge: Class V pass or educational ability equivalent to Class V. (ii) Secondary : Class VIII pass or educational ability equivalent to class VIII. (iii) Senior Secondary: Class X pass. Patrachar Vidya\aya In Class X Class VI\! pass 193 Written Answers BHADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 194 In Class XIII Class XI pass. however, girl students who have passed matriclSecondarylSSLC/High School in previous year can seek admission direct to Class XII. 2. The Boards of Secondary Education (e) the names of the States in which of Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan and the these offices have ot been set up so far and Boards of Secondary/Higher Secondary the reasons therefor? Education of Tamil Nadu have also started correspondence courses. The details about THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONEMENT their courses and admission criteria are not AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMAI available. ROUTRAY): (a) A Regional Office of the Ministry has been established at Bhopal in 3. The various Boards from time to time Madhya Pradesh. request recognised schools to act as institu- tions for contact programmes which are (b) Does not arise. usually part of the correspondence courses. All correspondence courses in School edu- (c) Regional Offices are opened for the cation are required to be recognised by the sake of administrative conveience and in concerned Board. No information is avail- public interest. able with Government on unrecognised in- stitutions imparting school education through (d) Does not arise, as there is already a correspondence. Regional Office in Madhya Pradesh. d )'" r ,.1 [Translation] N,{i._A.__)-, .... \.1,..I"'" .... ('" "(\('"•• ..( , .'-' (e) Regional Offices have not been set up in every State as each State is looked (q ') Office of Central Environmental after by one Regional Office or the other. Devls'on In M. P. I)tt~ P~i;. t ~" 'f r~ r [English] N u., llJ ~Ji.-.. :__. y~. ~ 2857. SHRI RAGHAVJI: Will the Min- tJ L ister of ENVIRONEMEN i ANt FORESTS Narora Atomic Power Plant be pleased to state: 2858. §HRIJ~~ANDHATA~INGH: Will (a) whether no office of Central environ- the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: mental division has so far been set up ;n Madhya Pradesh; (a) whether the Atomic Power Plant at Narora in Uttar Pradesh is lying closed due (b) if so, the rasons therefor; to some fault; (c) the criteria for setting up of an office (b) if so, the reasons therefor and since of this division; when the plant is lying closed; and (d) whether there is any proposal to set (c) how does the Government propose up an office of this division in Madhya to start its functioning without any further Pradesh; and delay? 195 Writtlln AnsWBIB AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnsWBIB 196 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (i) The Air (Prevention and Controtof MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- Pollution) Act. 1981 and the Envi- OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): 2859. SHRI BHABANI SHANKAR (iv) 160 air quality monitoring stations HOTA: Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT have been set up in the country. ~ORESTS be pleased to state: (v) Prosecutions have been launched (a) whether Government have identi- against 830 defaulting units under fied 900 industrial units causing serious the Air (Prevention & Control of pollution to the environment in the country; if Pollution) Act, 1981, and Environ- so, the details thereof, State-wise; ment (Protection) Act, 1986; 795 cases have been in favour of the (b) if not, the reasons therefor; and Boards. (c) what are the main pollutants found (vi) Concessional rate of customs duty to be polluting the atmosphere and what and excise rebate for pollution measures have been Initiated or proposed to abatement equipment, high rate deal with the problems? of depreciation allowance and exemption from capital gains tax for units which shift from congested THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT urban areas are given as incen- AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI tive to industries for controlling ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). the Government pollution. have identified the categories of industries in the country which have high pollution poten- tial. (vii) Research and development pro- gramme are funded. (c) Emissions of carbon monoxide. oxides of nitrogen, sulphur dioxide,lead and (viii) An Action Plan has been formu- suspended particulate matters are the major lated which prescribes priorities cause of air pollution. The government have for controlling pollution from ma- taken the following action for pollution con- jor polluting units in a specified trol:- time-schedule. 197 WritrsnAnswetS BHADRA5, 1912 (SAKA) WrittenAnswelS 198 \C\' \q ~ Printing Paper to Anethra Pradesh Control of Air. Water and Noise Pollution" 2860. SHRI J. CHOKKA RAO: SHRI B.N. REDUY: 2861. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT Will thQ PRIME MINISTER be pleased ANOFORESTS be pleased to state: to state: (a) whether loan or grant is proposed to (a) the quantum of white printing paper Ba..given to industries by financial institutions allocated to Andhra Pradesh State at conces- to take measures to control air, water and sional rate for text books, exercise note noise pollution; books etc. during the year 1989 and the actual quantity supplied during that year; (t» if so, lha details thar.eof; and (b) whether Government are aware that (c) if not, the reasons therefor? due to short supply of paper the Andhra Pradesh Government is unable to print text THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT books, note books; and AND FORESTS (SHRJ NJLAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). Loanstothe indus- (c) if so, whether Government prC?POse trial units for manufacture and installation of to release balance quota of 1989 and 1 990 pollution control and abatement equipment immediately? are available at concessional rate of interest, which is 2 112% less than the normal rate of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lending. Discus.siOA are also going on with MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- the World Bank for an Industrial Pollution VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI Control Project to be implemented in the MEHTA): (a) Duringtheye~ 1989, the State States of Uttar Pradesh, Maharashtra, of Andhra Pradesh was allotted 5,278 MTs Gujarat, and Tamil Nadu. The quantum of af concessional white printing paper against -financial assistance in the shape of loan to which Hindustan Paper Corporation has so industrial units, for undertaking pollution far supplied around 1,908 MTs. control measures, available under this proj- ect has not been finalised. (b) and (c). The supply of paper by Hindustan Paper Corporation to the educa- (c) Does not arise. tion sector in the StateslUTs. including the \l~ State of Andhra Pradesh has been behind Demands of ITI Students schedule due to certain difficulties faced by the Corporation such as spurt in the cost of production and natural calamities. 2862. SHRI ASIM BALA: SHRI RAM SINGHSHAKYA: Department of Education has issued necessary instructions to the Corporation to Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased put in all possible efforts to effect supplies as to state: per allotments made by the Department of Education. However, the subsidy scheme is (a) whether a Committee has been not meant to meet hundred per cent require- formed to examine certain demands of In- ments of-paper of the education sector in the dustrial Training Institute students in Delh.i; it StateslUTs. so, the details thereof; 199 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 200 (b) the date by which the committee is (a) the details of the projects, drawn up likely to submit its report; and for removal of pollution from Ganga (i) which have so far beeR implemented, (ii) which (c) when these demands are to be met have not so far been implemented, and (iii) by the Government? those which have.been partially implemented under the Ganga Action Plan; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) the expenditure so far incurred on MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCr; DE- each and their original estimated cost; and VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) According to information re- (c) by what time entire programme is ceived from Delhi Administration there are likely to be implemented indicating the likely no demands received from ITI students in completion of each project? Delhi. Therefore, no committee has been formed to examine the same. THE MINISTER OF· ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI (b) and (c). In view of (a) above, ques- ROUTRAY): (a) to (c). Under the Ganga tions do not arise . Action Plan, a total of 262 schemes have ben \qQ,. sanctioned for abatement of pollution of River "Projects to Check Pollution of River Ganga in the three States of Uttar Pradesh, Ganga" Bihar and West Bengal. A statement show- ing the details 'of the ·schemes, is given 2863. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA: below. The first phase of the Ganga Action Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND Plan is likely to be completed in the first FORESTS be pleased to state: quarter of 1993. 201 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 202 C\I ~ ~ aCJ) aCJ) (/) (f) ex) C\I C\I L() o C\I C\I ..... o .....C\I C\I ..... L() L() C\I o C").,.... .,.... 00 C") ex) C") C\I .q- Ol ex) ex) C\I "0 UJ c: C c co co CJ) c: Ci. E o UJ -;::co 0. -R CJ) C ..Q CJ) Q) CJ) E UJ o CJ) E ~ > Q) "-.s:;:. (ij E -0 E g 0> -_E c: _g (5 UJ ..c: C o ~_Q IV _Q _g Q) I/) C) E co (j) Q) ~ ~ ~ U .s:;:.m IV _2: IV CJ) >..c: (/) "0 (/) ill ~ g o ,_ ~ 203 Written Answets"- AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answets 204 __ .. ___ _or., ~.rl :., __-- "... . Violation of Labour Laws In C.M-C. Ltd THE PRIME MIN ISTER (SHRI VISH- WANATH PRATAP): (a) The information is 2864. SHRI KARIA MUNDA: Will the being collected-and will be laid on the Table ;PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: of the House. F (a) whether some cases of violation of [English] "norms of labour laws have come to the notice of Government in the Computer Main- Appointment of Ex-Servicemen as tenance--- Corporation Limited; Travel Agents (b) if so, the details thereof and whether 2867. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO Government have conducted any-enquiry in BRAHMBHA TT: Will the PRIME MINISTER this regard; be pleased to state: (c) if so, the details thereof and if not, (a) whether Government propose to the reasons therefor; and appoint ex-servicemen as travel agents; (d) the number of recruitments made (b) if so, the details together with terms during the last three years in the CMC Ltd. and conditions thereof; and how many of them have gone to labour courts? (c) whether some ex-servicemen have also since been appointed as travel agents; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) No vio- (d) if so, the details thereof? lation of any labour law by CMC Ltd. has come to the notice of Government. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA (b) ~nd (c). Do not arfse. RAMANNA): (a) No, Sir. (d) A total number of 1138 recruitments (b) Does not arise. were made during the last three financial years viz. 1987-88, 1988-89 and 1989-90. (c) and (d). As there is no scheme Out of them, one employee has gone to the exclusively for ex-servicemen for their rec- Labour Court. ognition as travel agents, they are free to apply for recognition as travel agents [ Trans/ation1 alongwith other applicants. As such the Ministry of Defence have no information in J(,~ the matter. Corruption Cases Against Officers of All India Service [ Translation] ·ld-:\ 2866. SHRI K.D. SULTA~; Will Setting up of Satellite Remote Sensing the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state Centre at Ja'na the State-wise number of officers belonging to All India Services against whom cases of 2868. SHRI PUNDAUK HARt DANVE: corruption have ben registered during the Will the PRIME MINISTER be pJeasea to last six months? state: 205 WrittenAnswers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) P~nswers 206 (a) the progress made in regard to [Translation~...... I"": I ~4 I eJ.J.t setting up Satellite Remote Sensing Centre ;.:) 6 r~,I".. ,~l(J.I;_t~l~ ct.!' () at Jalna; and Protection of TaJ Mahal from Polluted Gas Released by Mathura Refinery (b) the time by which this Centre is likely to start functioning? 2870. ~_MAI':I(!K8~O ti_QQ~XA THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE GAVIT: MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- SHR(JA@PAt SINGJ:i:_ OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) The SHRI KALP NATH RAI: Department of Space has at present no proposal to set up Satellite Remote Sensing Centre at Jalna. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (b) Does not arise. (a) whether the brightness of Taj Mahal [English] at Agra is waning continuously for the last several years; ~O> Establishment of Laboratory to (b) if so, whether one of its main reason Conduct Physical Check up of is the polluted gases and effluents being Sportsmen released by Mathura refinery; 2869. §!:IR! UDAYSINGBAO NANA- (c) whether this matter has been thor- SAHEB GAIKWAD: Will the PRIME MINIS- oughly investigated; and TER be pleased testate: (d) if so, the details of measures being (a) whether Government are consider- taken by Government to protect Taj Mahal? ing to establish a special laboratory to con- duct physical check up of the sportsmen participating in the International sports; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- (b) if so, when and where such labora- VELOPMENT - (SHRI CHIMANBHAI tory is likely to be established? MEHTA): (a) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN. THE (b) Does not arise. MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI (c) Yes, Sir. MEHTA): (a) and (b). The Government has already established special laboratories at the Sports Authority of India Regional Centres (d) The Archaeological Survey of India of Patiala, Delhi and Bangalore for conduct- is constantly monitoring the ambient air ing physical check-up of sportspersons about around Taj Mahal, Agra for assessing the to participate in International Sports Events. level of sulphurdioxide, suspended particu- The establishment of similar laboratories 'late matter and other pollutants as well s elsewhere will depend on the projections meteorological data in ordertotake remedial and allocations in the VIII Plan. measures as may be required. 207 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnsWBIS 208 r .... ~, /" . , \' - ,_;V_x..,·~ .....1 · finalised the' amount to be allocated for this [En!lJ!sh] _)._; ._ J ~.._ c: -L~ ,... f) , programme; Damage to Victoria Memorial In Cal- cutta Due to Environmental Pollution (c) whether, during the course of imple- mentation of this program me which includes 2871. SHRI CHITTA BASU: Will the development of various learning systems, Ministerof ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS Government propose to involve reputed be pleased to state: institutions engaged in research in Sanskrit in the programme; (a) whether the scientists of National Environmental Engineering Research Insti- (d) if so, the details thereof; and tute have recently observed that there has been a steady damage to the marble used in (e) the outcome of research done so.far the building of the Victoria Memorial in Cal- regarding language translation, text under- cutta because of growing environmental standing, text generation and phonetics and pollution in the city; and when was Technology Development for Indian Languages started and the amount (b) if so, what steps have since been so far spent on it? taken to check and prevent the damages? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) The ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). National Environ- salient features of the programme entitled mental Engineering Research Institute "Technology Development for Indian Lan- (NEERI) have taken up a project in July, guages" (TOIL) are: 1990 to study the impact of environmental pollution on Victoria Memorial in Calcutta. 1. There are three thrust area for The study is expected to continue for two development, namely, years."" .-)-.0 ! (i) Learning Systems; Technology Development for Indian Languages (ii) Machine Translation Systems; and 2872. SHRI PYAREL~HANDEL- WAL: ----- (iii} Human-Machine Inter1ace Sys- DR. LAXMINARAYAN PAN- tems. O-EY: ~.~~ ----~ ~~~- 2. Man-power development pro- Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased gramme in Natural Language Proc- to state: essing (NLP) in order to meet the special man-power requirement of the project, involving inter-discipli- (a) the salient features of the pro- nary experts n~mely computer sci- gramme entitled Technology Development entists,linguists, educationists and for Indian Languages (TOIL) for implemen- psychologists. tation during the Eighth Pian: 3. Integration of the technologies (b) whether Government have since generated at various centres to 209 Written AnsW91S BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 210 produce deliverable products ing 1987-88 with a fundir,~ of Rs. 11.5Iakhs. through a Natural Language Proc- essing Laboratory and constant At National Centre for Software T ech- interaction between industry, aca- nolegy (NeST) Bombay, the limited vocabu- d9(T1ia and the users. lary machine translation prototype which will translate news stories from English to Hindi (b) An amount of Rs. 17 crores is is in progress. This activity began in 1986. estimated for this programme during the VIII NeST is executing this as part of the Knowl- Plan; but this is yet to be finalised. edge Based Computer System (KBCS) protect, and estimated expenditure towards (c) and (d). During the implementation the total KBCS project is Rs. 80 lakhs. of the TOIL programme, reputed institutions ')...10 engaged in research in Sanskrit would be Pollution of Damodar River associated. To start with, a project was funded jointly at Rastriya Sanskrit Vidyapaith and 2873. _S~RI BASUDE_B ACHARIA; Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi for SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN- ~--- ~--,- ,.~,- the development of Computer Assisted ---0,,1.: Sanskrit Technology/Learning Environment (CASTLE). Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTSJ:>e pleased to state: (e) Text-understanding and text-gen- eration are being dealt with as part of lan- (a) whether Government are aware that guage translation. Under the CASTLE proj- the pollution of Damodar river which acts as ect at JNU and Rastriya Sanskrit Vidy.apith, the life line to vast areas of West Bengal and basic design.of software for teaching alpha- Bihar has assumed alarming proportions; bet, their properties, Sandhis etc. have been undertaken. A nucleus software system has (b) whether Government propose to been designed which will be used in imple- start Damodar Action Plan in consultation menting the teachingllearning lessons and with State Government of Bihar and West exercises. This joint project began in 1988 Bengal; and with a funding of Rs. 10.9 lakhs. (c) if not, the alternative steps pro- At C-DAC, Pune, programming envi- posed/taken to check pollution of Damodar ronments have been developed which allow river? the use of all Indian scrips including Dev- nagari. Basic support tools incorporating the THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT grammar rules such as Sandhi, Vigraha, AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI Shabdaroop and Dhaturoop have been ROUTRAY): (a) Some stretches of the developed using LISP. The prototype of an Damodar; particularly downstream of Dhan- expert system shell called 'Visheshagya; bad and Girdih, in Bihar, and downsteam of has been developed, A Sanskrit intelligent Durgapur and Raniganj, in West Bengal, are Tutoring System is being developed. This polluted due to discharge of industrial and activity began in 1988. The amount spent so domestic effluents. far is Rs. 15 lakhs. (b) Schemes for cleaning the tributaries At nT Kanpur, initial efforts have been of Ganga including Damodar can be consid- made in the area of translation from Hindi to ered during the eighth Plan subject to availa- Telugu. The project was implemented dur- bility of funds. 211 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 212 (c) The steps being taken to control THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pollution include: MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) The scheme for Navodaya (i) Industries located on the banks Vidyalayas provided forthe establishment of of the Damodar river have been a Navodaya Vidyalaya, on an average, one directed to install effluent treat- in each district of the country, during the 7th ment plants within a time-frame, Five Year Plan. and to treat their effluents to prescribed standards before (b) A list of districts in Bihar where discharge into the river. Navodaya Vidyalayas have been established is given in the statement below. (ii) Consents are issued to indus- tries to operate subject to their (c) A Navodaya Vidyalaya in District adopting adequate pollution Samastipur was established in 1986-87. control measures. STATEMENT (iii) Task forces have been set up to oversee the progress made by Name of the Districts of Bihar where industries in putting up pollution Navodaya Vidyalayas have been Opened control devices. SI. No. Name of the District (iv) Regular monitoring of the river water quality is being done. 2 (v) Prosecutions are launched 1. Samastipur againstthe major defaulting units. 2. Munger [ Translation] \\ 3. West Champaran ), Navodaya Vldyalayas In Bihar 4. Dumka 2874. SHRI DASAI CHOWDHARY: 5. Bhojpur Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleasedto state: 6. Madhubani (a) whether the previous Government 7. Gumla had announced that Navodaya Vidyalayas will be established in each district; 8. Ranchi (b) if so, the names of districts in Bihar 9. Singhbhum where these Vidyalayas have been estab- lished; and 10. Navada (c) the reasons for not establishing a 11. Bhagalpur Navodaya Vidyalaya in district Samastipur in Bihar so far? 12. Saharsa 213 WrittBn AnSWSIS BHADRA 5. 1 ~t2 (SAKA) Written Answers 214 (d) if so, the extent thereof? 51. No. NamfiFofthe District THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- 1 2 VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. 13. Begusarai (c) and (d). It has been decided to increase the current year's budget provision 14. Aurangabad to Rs. 265 crores for the welfare of youth under Scheme of various Departments for 15. Patna the involvement of youth in the Literacy Drive, family welfare, educationalloans,loans 16. Gaya to professionals for employment and self employment and the Trysem programme for 17. Muzafarpur creation/upgradatign of skills calculated to promote gainfui employment opportunities. 18. Darbhanga ~ \ '-\ All India Education Service 19. Purnea 2876. PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT: 20. Nalanda Will the PRIME MINISTER '-bepleas9d~iO state: 21. Lohadega (a) whether Gov~rnment propose to 22. Godda form an "All India Education Service" on the pattern of otber All India Services at national 23. Katiar level; (b) if not, the reasons therefor; 24. Vaishali (c) the plan of Government to raise the standard of life of teachers and to attract talent towards teaching profession; 2875. DR. KHUSHAL PARASRAM (d) whether Government propose to ~: Will the PRiME MINISTEFfbe revise their pay scales and introduce uni- pleased to state: form pay scales for the teachers throughout the country on the basis of recommenda- (a) whether the draft a new National tions of Chatopadhya Committee; and Youth Policy has been prepared; (e) whether any scheme to give awards (b) if so, whether opinions of youth to college and university teachers on the representatives belonging to vaHous politi- Teacher's Day is under consideration of cal parties have been sought thereon; Government? (c) whether additional provisions has THE MINJSTER OF STATE IN THE also been made in the budget for Youth MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- Affairs in comparison to that of the previous VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI year; and MEHTA): (a) and (b). The establishment of 215 Writtsn Answsl'S AUGUST271990 Writtsn Answel'S 216 the Indian Education Serv;ce as an All India (e) No, Sir. Service is envisaged in the National Policy on Educational (1986). A sub-Group of the [Eng/ish) 'J' b Committee of the Management of Edtication set up by the Central Advisory Board of Committee on Defence expenditure Education was constituted to formulate de- tailed proposals in this regard. Meanwhile all 2877. SHRJ INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will aspects of the National Policy on Education the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (1986) are currently being reviewed by a high level Review Committee. (a) whether the recommendations by the Committee on Defence Expenditure will (c) and (d). The N~ional Policy on guide the framing of the text Defence Budget; Education, 1986 envisages as under: (b) whether the Committee's scope of "The pay and service conditions of inquiry excludes the public sector defence teachers have to be commensurate to undertakings and the R&D units; and attract talent to the profess.ion. Efforts will be made to reach the desirable (c) if so, tha reasons thern.of? objective of uniform emoluments, S81'V- ice conditions and provisions for re- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE moval of problems to the maximum for MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA teachers throughout the country." RAMANNA): (a) Defence Budget is framed after considering all relevant factors. The Having regard to the above, the Gov- recommendations of the Committee will be ernment of India have revised the pay scales duly taken into consideration. of college and university teachers with effect from 1.1.1986 and, for this purpose, have (b) and (c). The existing terms of refer- extended financial assistance to the State ence of the Committee focus, inter-alia, on Governments to the extent of 80% of the the Deptt of Defence which accou,nts for the additional requirements for the purpose. major part of the overall Defence expendi- ture. . In regard to the school teachers serving ~ ( '~ in the Union Territories, various Central Agreement Between Tosha Picture Government Departments and the Central Tubes and China Autonomous Bodies, the Govemment of India have revised their scales of pay keeping in 2878. !S._UMARJ UMA BHARATI: Will view the postulates of National Policy on 1he PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: Education 1986 of and the recommenda- tions of the Chattopadhyay Commission. (a) whether Tosha Picture Tubes Ltd. However, in view of the wide disparity in the has signed a Memorandum of Understand- pay scales for school teachers, it is not ing wlth the China Government for setting up immediately possible to :introduce unifofm of a glass shelf project; and pay scales for school teachers throughout the country. Such a uniformity would come (b) if so, the details of the agreement? about over a period of time. In any case it is the responsibility of the State Governments THE MlNlSTER OF STATE 1N THE to improve the service conditions ofteachers MINISTRY OF SClENCE AND TECHNOL- under their educational institutions. OGV (PROF. M.G.K MENON): (a) No such 217 Written AnswelS BHADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 218 proposal has been received in the Depart- (c) Yes, Sir. The Government provides ment of Electronics. financial assistance for the production for (9) Does not arise. r~o._vr-e..;t- films, posters, pam'phlets, resource materi- ?--- f -1 He r \\~.e~"'/J als, etc. on environment and related a'reas to Steps to Impart Environmental Informa- create environmental awareness amongst tion to Parliamentarians the people especially the students. 2879. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH (d) All awareness programmes are ,MEWAR: Will the Minister of ENVIRON- strengthened to intensify environmental MENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: awareness among vario~target groups. ~ \ ,.., '1\ '":> J .) t,. Yo':::. : '" U2_ (a) whether Government have taken Selection of Other anks In Army some specific steps to impart information on basic environmental issues to Parliamen- 2880. PROF. PREM KUMAR DHU- tarians, Legislators, Government Officials, MAL: Will the PRIME MINISTER b;pieasea environment volunteers and citizens in gen- -to state: er.al and if so, the details thereof; (a) whether some O.Rs. (Other Ranks) (b) whether there are any special short were selected in Army in 1988 for SL Com- term courses conducted for this purpose; mission (Specialist Commission) in Record Officer category; (c) whether there is any incentive of- fered by Government for the media e.g. (b) if so, whether they were sent for production of films, and other material in- training; tended to create environment awareness amongst the people, particularly the stu- (c) if not, the reasons thereof; and dents; and (d) whether Government propose to (d) the details of further plans if any, to give these selected O.Rs. (Other Ranks) ensure priority success in this regard? preference in training this year so that they get commission? THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ROUTRAY): (a) Yes, Sir. Information is MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA imparted on basic environmental issues RAMANNA): (a) No, Sir. through various awareness programmes ?-"'f under several schemes oi the Ministry to (b) to (d). Do not arise. Parliamentarians, Legislators, Government officials, environment volunteers and the NationaLLlteracy Mission general ;lublic. Besides, the Ministry is also catering to the specific scientific information needs on environment and related areas to 2881. SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: all concerned through its Environmen~al In- SHRI C.P.- MUDALAGIR1- formation System (ENV1S) programme. YAPPA: SHRI C. SRINIVASAN: (b) Yes, Sir. The Ministry sponsors shorttermcoursesltrainingprogrammesfrom Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased time to time. to state: 219 Written Answers AUGUST 27 199C Written Answers 220 (a) the achievement of National Liter- under National Literacy Mission during 1988- acy Mission in the country, State-wise; 89 and 1989-90 is given below. (b) The Literacy data in the Country is (b) how far the scheme has improved collected through decennial census opera- the literacy rate in the country; and tion. The Literacy rate according to the last census operation held in 1981 was 36.23%. (c) the amount spent so far on the The Literacy rate at present will be known scheme? only after the next census is held in 1991. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) The Total expenditure under the MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- National Literacy Mission during 1988-89 VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI was Rs. 82.92 Crores and during 1988-89 MEHTA): (a) A Statement showing the was Rs. 82.92 crores and during 1989-90 number of persons enrolled, State-wise, was Rs. 88.41 Crores. 221 Written Answers BHADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 222 .<:) Q') ,..._to to 0 II) CO) II) "0 to If) ,..._0 CO) 0 I.() I.() Ll) (J) N N ~ to ,..._ 0 co to CO) 1:: ~ CO) co ~ ,..._ CO) co CO) co a; ..;t ~ co Q')..._ co C") ..;t ...... Ll) 8. ..;t CO) 0) CO) N CO) -=:t (J) M a: zi5 0) to to t-- ..;t Ll) co CO) to ..;t 0 "0 co ,..._CO) I.() 0 I.() I.() 0) .... (J) 0 ..;t ..;t ~ m m > ~ (\') t--m CO) m I.() m N t-- ...... CO) C") ..;t 0)co to co I- (\') (\') r:: N (\')~ "§ z -.- a: w '" :!: 1:: w 8.(J) I- a: ~ a; en z .s=. ~ 1/1 .s=. .... 1/1 ~ .s:::. 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"5 .= c Q) is Q) >- Q) -!: ~ C ..,; Lri W r--: cO ai ci ..- c-..i 0 -..: C\I C\I C\I C\I C\I C\I C') C') C') (/) -0 Q) VI «! ..OJ 227 Written Answers AUGUST 'Z]1990 [ Translation] (a) whether the working group consti- 1uted forthe'fatDnalisationof formula for Pay ,..._ v '1 Afforeatation in Bihar fixation, seniority and promotion of Ex-serv- .. - -- iceman fe-emp~ed in GovernmentlPub1ic 2882. SHR!.yU~ Will the Uinist&r Sedor Undertakings.eanks, etc.; and of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: (b) if so, the.detaifs dthe recommenda- tions and when Govemment are going to (a) whether forest area in emar is implement them? minimum in comparison to other states; l1iE MINISTER OF STATE IN TI-iE (b) whether heavy expenditure has MINISTRY OF' OEFENCE (DR. RAJA been shown to have been incurred in the RAMANNA): (a) Yes, Sir. Seventh Five Year Plan for there plantation in the forest divisions of districts of Pumea, (b) The Worki"g Group has come to the Madherpura, Saharsa, Araria, Kishanganj conclusion that it is not feasible to introduce and Katihar in Bihar; any uniformity in the rules governing fixation of pay of re-employed pensioner ex-Service- (c) whether there have been any re- men or seniority in various sectors re- ports regarding misuse of funds allocated for employment in view of the basic differences this purpose; and in the paylDA structure of the employing agencies etc. However, in regard to the (d) if so, the action taken against guilty question of providing weightage of military officials and amount recovered from them Service on-re-employment and for allotment and if no action has been taken the reasons of married accommodation, the working therefor? Group has recommended that the concerned Departments/Ministries, to whom the report THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT of the Working Group has been forwarded, AND FORESTS (SHRI NllAMANI may take further necessary action. ROUTRAY): (a) According to studies con- " "C: "1 we r-it - ~oit-t P/~~":\"'~· ducted by Forest Survey of India using Sat- t- v 20-Polnt Programme (.. ellite Imageries, the forest cover in Bihar is 2.69 million hectares which is 15.49% of the 2884. SHRI P. NARSA REDDY: Will total geographical area of the State This IS the PRIME MINISTER be pleased-to state: not the lowest percentage as compared to many other states. (a) the State which are lagging behind in the implementation of 20-Point Programme (b) to (d). Information is being collected as per the latest review; from the State Government and will be laid (b) the reasons for the same; and on the table of the House. (c) the steps taken or proposed to be taken to implement the 20-Point Programme [English] ~)r ~< ) most effectively. Working Group on Pay Seal•• of Re- mE MINISTER OF STATE IN mE Employed ex-servicemen MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER ------OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- 2883. SHRIHARISHRAWAT: Willthe GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI PRIME MINISTER be Pleased to state: BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) Statement 229 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 230 jndicating tRe position secured by State in Sikkim 13 order of merit for the period April-June, 1990 is given below. Uttar Pradesh 14 (b) anq (c). The factors contributing to Haryana 14 unsatistactOryperfotmance are generallyfack of adequate staff, 1:Onstrairrt of fudns and West Bengal 14 inadequate infrastructure facil1ties. On the basis of the performance as revealed through _Tripura 17 Monthly Progress Reports, deficiencies in implementation are taken up with the con- Mizoram 18 cerned State Governments in order to bring about improvement. Rajasthan 19 STATEMENT Tamil Nadu* 20 Ranking of States in the Implementation of Meghalaya 21 20-Point Programme-1986 During April- June 1990 Manipur 22 State 1990 (April-June) Rank Jammu and Kashmir" 23 1 2 " Upto May 1990 only. Note: No Reports have been received Gujarat or Himachal Pradesh and Nagaland Goa 2 [ Translation] '). ~ 0 Karnataka 3 Kendrlya Vldayala_p In Madhya Pradesh - --_ - -_ Kerala 3 2885. §":I~19.I_L~EP SINGH BHURIA: Andhra Pradesh 5 Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleasedto state: Bihar 6 (a) the number of Kendriya Vidyalayas Orissa 7 in Madhya Pradesh for which Government have constructed buildings and the number Punjab 7 of schools for which buildings are yet to be constructed; Madhya Pradesh 9 (b) whether land has been provided Arunachal Pradesh 10 free of cost for these buildings by the Gov- ernment of Madbya Pradesh; Assam 10 (c) if so, the names of districts where Maharashtra 12 buildings for such schools are proposed to 231 WrittfHl Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 232 be constructed; and Vidyalayas in Madhya Pradesh out of which 21 Vidyalayas are in Project Sectorfor which (d) the time by which the construction of school buildings are to be provided by the these buildings is likely to be oompleted? Project authorities on whose request these schools were opened. The position in regard THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to other Vidyalayas where buildings are to be MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- . provided by Kendriya Vidyalaya Sangathan VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI is as under:- MEHTA): (a) There are 70 Kendriya (i) Vidyalayas wit permanent buildings - 16 (ii) Vidyalayas where buildings are being constructed 7 (iii) Vidyalayas where buildings are yet to be oonstructed - 26 Total - 49 (b) Out of the 70 Kendriya vidyalayas in Government of Madhya Pradesh where land Madhya Pradesh, the position regarding is to be provided by the State Government is Kendriya Vidyalas sponsored by State as under:- (i) Vidyalayas with permanent buildings 3 (ii) Vidyalayas where buildings are being constructed 2 (iii) Vidyalayas where buildings are yet to be constructed - 10 Total - 15 (c) The information regarding districts 6. Rajgarh, Distt. Rajgarh of the Vidyalayas sponsored by Government of Madhya Pradesh where buildings are to 7. Ratlam, Distt. Ratlam be provided is as under:- 1. Ambikapur, Distt. Sarguja 8. Rewa, Distt. Rewa 2. Guna, Distt. Guna. 9. Uliain, Distt. Ujjain. 3. Khandwa, Distt. Khandwa. 10. Jagdalpur, Dist. Bastar. 4. Khargaon~, Distt. West Nimar. (d) This depends on a number of factors 5. Narsinghpur, Distt. Narc;inghpur some of which are not contro"able. 233 Written AnswelS BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 234 [English] medium Sections of the Correspondence Courses Department are: t--» Regional Languages Sections In Central Hindi Directorate 1. Tamil 3 clerical 2886. SHRI A. ASOKARAJ: 2. Malaya!am 1 technical and SHRI P.R. KU~ARAMANGA- 1 clerical LAM: - 3. Bengali 1 technical and Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased 1 clerical to state: (d) The posts are created on the basis (a) whether the Central Hindi Dtrector- of the workload assessed in accordance ate is conducting Hindi courses through the with the norms 1aid down in this regard. medium of various Regional Languages like Tamil, Malyalam, Bengali and also in Eng- (e) Yes, Sir. The enrollment of students lish; in English medium is much larger than that in the regional languages media Also, the three (b) if so, the proportion, of staff strength courses of the Home Ministry Le. Prabodh, in Tamil, in clerical and technical post in Parveen and Pragya courses are conducted Tamil Section; only in the English language. Hence, there is a need to have more person in the English (c) how many Regional language quali- medium section. fied persons are appointed in Clerical and 'J-. >,y , Technical posts in Tamil, Malyalam and Supply of Sub-Standard Items to Bengali medium sections of Correspondence Government Departments Courses in Central Hindi Directorate; 2887. SHRI ~ SAGAft (Saidpur): (d) the procedure for creation of Re- Will the PRIMEMINISTER ~be pleased to gional Language posts; and refer to the reply given on 26th March, 1990 to Unstarred Question No. 2097 regarding THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether the enquiry report has been MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- examined and if.so,·the action taken thereon; VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) Yes. Sir. (c) the number of complaints received of sub-standard items of stationery supplied (b) Out of the sanctioned 20 posts, 5" are to Government offices by Kendriya Bhandar technical posts and 15 are clerical. ,during the last 12 months; and (c) The numbers of qualified persons (d) the details thereof and action taken working in the Tamil, Malyalam and Bengali thereon? 235 Written AnswelS AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 236 THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI VISH- ware in floppy diskette with average c.i.f. WANATH PRATAP): (a) The copy of the value of Rs. 50 or less per diskette) is permit- enquiry report from the Ministry of Defence ted to be imported under Open General was received by the Kendriya Bhandar on Licence. 25th August 1989. (b) Categories of eligible importers are: (b) Yes Sir. The report has been exam- ined. It had identiffed the officers of the Ministry of Defence as responsible for the (1) Actual users including Govern- irregularities. There were certain procedural ment Departments and computer lapses on the part of Kendriya Bhandar. manufacturers; Steps have already been taken to avoid their recurrence. (2) Software Houses registered with the Department of Electronics (c) and (d). Kendriya Bhandar has fortha purpose of stock and sale; reported that no complaints regarding the and supply of sub-standard stationary items have been received from the MinistrieslOepart- (3) Department of Electronics for ments. However, the Chief Electoral officer, stock and sale. Delhi, had reported a supply addition to the normal yellow coloured envelopes. the mat- ~ ~~~ ter had been looked into. It was observed Central Universities In Assam and that envelopes of a different colour had been Nagaland -- supplied due to non-availability of the large quantity of yellow envelopes indented for to 2889. SHRI DAULATRAO SONUJI meet the extremely urgent requirement as AHER: Will the PRIME MINTSTERbe indicated by the concerned Electoral Officer. pleased to state the present stage of the Kendriya Shandar has stopped faulty sup- work relating to the establishment of new plied from the supplier. Central Universities in Assam and Nagaland? , , '1- ) '-;. Software Import THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 2888. SHRI P.R. KUMARAM~N~~ MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- LAM~ Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI to state: MEHTA): Legislatron for establishment of a teaching and affiliating University in Assam (a) whether application software is at Silchar was enacted in May, 1989. It has permitted to be imported under Open Gen- since been decided to set up two campuses erallicence; and of the University. Accordingly, the Assam Government has been requested to make (b) whether any restrictions have ben suitable land and infrastructural facilities imposed to qualify for such import; if so, the available in the Brahmaputra and the Barak details thereof? Valley for this purpose. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE The question of establishment of the MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- Nagaland University is in the progress in OGY (pROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) Com- consultation with the Government of puter Software in any media (excluding soft- Nagaland. 237 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answets 238 '> 7 ~..eter-(...Q_ ~1~ Cadre Review tbr Civilian Workshop A Electronic/Computer Engineers In Officers in Corps of Electrical and I ... C.M.C. Ltd. Mechanical Engineers ! 2891. SHRI RAMJILAL SUMAN: Will 2899. ~HRI NANDLAL MEENA: Will I the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to refer to \ the reply given on 20 March, 1987to Unstar- , I (a) the total number of Electronic! red Question Number 3568 regarding Cadre r Computer Engineers in the Computer Main- review for civilian workshop offic~rs in corps I tenance Corporation Ltd; of electrical and mechanical engineers and state: (b) the total, number of Scheduled Tribes/Scheduled Castes Electronic/Com- (a) whether the recommendations of puter Engineers among them; and the Committee have since been processed; (c) the percentage of SC/ST Engineers (b) if so, the details thereof; out of the total strength of Engineers in the Computer Maintenance'Corporation Ltd.? (c) the reasons for the undue delay in the implementation of the cadre review or- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ders even after the approval of the Cabinet MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- Committee; and OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) to (c). The total number of Electronic/Computer (d) the time by when the promotional Engineers in CMC Ltd., as on 15.8.1990, is vacancies occurred due to cadre review are 831, out of which, 21 belong to Schedule likely to be filled up to remove the stagnation CasteslScheduled Tribes. The percentage in the cadre? of SC!ST Engineers, out of the total strength of Engineers, is 2.§3% THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [ Translation] MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA ~ "r:'s,'_' RAMANNA): (a) and (b). Based on the rec- Bawanthadl Inter-State Irrigation ommendations of the Committee, Govt have Project issued sanction to create the requisite number of additional posts, for providing promotional 2892. SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE: Will avenues to Civilian Workshop Officers in the the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FOR- Crops of Electrical and Mechanical Engi- ESTS be pleased to state: neers. (a) whether Bawanthadi Inter-State irri- (c) and (d). There was delay in the gation project has been cleared from the implementation of the cadre review recom- environmental point of view; mendations because the Army Headquar- ters had sought an amendment in the Gov- (b) if so, the terms and conditions under ernment sanction to avoid certain adminis- which clearance has been given to this proj- trative complications. Instructions have since ect; been issued to the Army Hqrs to fill the additional posts sanctioned for civilian offi- (c) whether the higher officials of irriga- cers in terms of the Government sanction, tion departments of Madhya Pradesh and after following the prescribed procedure. Maharashtra Governments have also been 239 Written AnswefS AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnswefS 240 consulted prior to the fixation of these terms matter of recruitment into the services? and conditions; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) if so, the details in this regard? • MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA RAMANNA): (a) to (e). Information is being THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT collected and will be laid on the Table of the AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI House. ROUTRAy): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The '"} ~ 0 Bawanthadi Multi-Purpose River Valley Environmental Norms for Acquisition of Project has ben approved in April, 1989 with Land In Punjab the provision that Action Plans for Catch- ment Area Treatment, Command Area 2894. SHRI KAMAL CH-AUDHRY: Will Development, Rehabilitation ofthe Oustees, the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FOR- Control of Water Borne Diseases etc. would ESTS be pleased to state: be detailed and effectively implemented. (a) the details of environmental norms (c) and (d). Approval was accprded prescribed by Government for acquisition of after detailed discussions with the project forest land in Punjab; and authorities over a period of more than one year. (b) the details of forest land acquired in Punjab during the tast three years? [E~g/~~~ y -, THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT Medical Examination of Candidates in AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI Armed Forces ROUTRAY): (a) There are no norms known 'as Environmental norms prescribed by 2893. SHRt MADAN LAL KHU~A: Government for acquisition of forest land in Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Punjab. However, any proposal involving state: de-reservation or diversion of forest land for non forestry purposes requires prior permis- (a) the number of candidates that were sion of Central Government under the For- found medically unfit by doctors at the time of est (Conservation) Act. Under'the provisions recruitment in Army, Navy and the Air Force of the act the State Government has to during the last 3 years; submit proposal in prescribed proforma to Central Government alongwith essential (b) how many of these mediCally unfit details as contained in the guidelines issued declared candidates represented against under the Act. These details include: medical unfitness; (c) the final outcome of such represen- (i) Identification of equivalent non- tations; 'orest \and ior compensatof'f afforestation. (d) the number of candidates who were declared initially medically unfit but were (ii) Rehabilitation sche?"e in case found fit subsequently on a review; and displacement of people in in- volved. fe) the steps taken to tone up the working of the medical author'ities in the (iii) Catchment Treatment Plan in 241 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 242 respect of Irrigation/Hydel Proj- banisation has also provided data and sug- ect. gestions on the subject. (iv) Reclamation plan in resepect of [Eng/ishL '" ~ mining projects. ~ ~4'1- Narcotics Smuggling In Tiger Reserves (v) Specific comments of Principal ----.~ in Uttar Pradesh Chief Conservator of Forests! Chief Wildlife Warden. 2896. SHRI ANANTRAO DESHMUKH: Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND (vi) Map of the area. FORESTS be pleased to state: (vii) Enumeration list of the trees to (a) whether Government are aware the be felled. Corbett and Dudhwa tiger reserves in Uttar Pradesh are being ·used for narcotics smug- (b) During last three years the forest gling; and land diverted for non-forestry purposes in Punjab is 3.8 ha. (b) if so, the preventive measures taken in this regard? [Trans/ation] l) ~ \.... ft ')..-4 \ ; r\ va...-v f1-~~Q' C ) THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT Survey on Conversion of Small Urban AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI CIties Into Metropolitan Cities ROUTRAy): (a) The 'Bhang' plant (Canna- bis sativa) growing naturally in the Corbett 2895. SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Will and Dudhw~ Tiger Reserves is a source of the PRIME MINISTER be pleaseato state: narcotics. The anti-social elements some- times use this plant to extract narcotics from (a) whether the Planning Commission these areas and smuggle them out. has conducted any sruvey in 1989-90 re- garding the gradual conversion of small urban (b) The field staff posted in these areas cities into big metropolitan cities; keep on patrolling to control the movement of such anti-social elements inside the Tiger (b) if so, the details thereof, State-wise; Reserves. The Central Govemment also and provides financial assistance to the State Govemment to control the growth of this (c) if not, the reasons therefor? plant. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (Trans/ation] ))0 ~ D , f) MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER '1-- \.\ ...... y~.y..._'.....X- '-..' OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- Action AgaInst FIrms which supplied GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI SUb-Standard Goods BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) No, Sir. 2897. SHRI HUKUMDEO NARAYAN (b) Does not arise YADAV: wm the PRIME MiNISTERbe pleased to refer to the reply given on 4 May, (c) Such ad-hoc surveys are taken up 1990 to Unstarred Question No. 8593 re- as and when considered necessary. The garding action against firms which supplied Report of the National Commission on Ur- su~standard goods and state: 243 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 244 (a) the reasons for registering case [English] -c- h ~ .. /" k_' against only one firm and for not registering '1-- 1.-\ '-\. r..-- v ~-Cl-'J-A.OV- the cases against other four firms; Vocational Course In Computer ScI· ence (b) whether the case has since been decided; 2898. SHRIR.JEEVANATHINAM: Will the PRIME MINiSTER be pleased to state: (c) if so, the action taken against the accused; and (a) whether the syllabus for the 12th Class of Vocational Course in the Computer Science being taught in Sr. Secondary (d) the value of goods ordered for Schools in Delhi has not been decided so far; supply by each of these firms? (b) if so, the reason therefor; and THE MINISTER OF STArE IN THE (c) the details of the syllabus, subject- MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA wise? RAMANNA): (a) Criminal case was regis- tered against only one firm as no prime facie THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE criminal offence had ben established against MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- the remaining firms. VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) The syllabus forthe Vocational Course in Computer Studies (Technology/ (b) The case is still subjudice. Techniques) under the Vocational stream was developed and introduced in 1988. The (c) Does not arise in view of (b) above. first Senior School Certificate examination in the course was held in March 1990. (d) As stated in reply to Unstarred a.No. 85390n 14.5.1990, the requisite infor- (b) Does not arise. mation is being collected. (c) A statement is given below. STATEMENT Syllabus for Computer Studies (TechnologylTechniques) (Class XI & XII) I. Language (Core or Elective) As per academic Stream II. Language (Core or Elective) or An Elective, in lieu thereof from the Academic Stream or as is given in the Syllabus of the Course, if any. III. General.foundation Course Total Marks 245 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 246 (a) G.F.C. (Part-I) Common for all Vocational Course: 30 (b) G.F.C. (Part-II) Relevant to the: 70 Computer Studies (Technologyffechniques) IV to VI Vocational Elective (Three Elective each for Classes XI & XII). Name of the Paper Total Marks Class-XI 1. Computer Fundamentals & Organisation 100 2. Problem Solving & Basic Programming 100 3. Accountancy & Mathematics 100 Additional Subjects (Optional) 1. Applied Machines 100 2. Engg. Drawing 100 Class-XII 1. Cobol Programming 100 2. Data Processing Techniques & Operations 100 3. Advanced Accountancy 100 Additional Papers (optional) 1. Physics & Maths 100 2. Electrical & Electronics Engg. 100 VII. Physical and Health Education (As per by the Schools at the end of Academic Stream) Class-XII. Notes: I. General Foundation Course and Physical of Health Education are II. For Vocation Stream students, subjects of \nternal Assessment General Studies is replaced by and grades for them on 9 point General Foundation COurse and Scale are to be prov\ded to eSSE Work Experience is not required 247 Writtsn AnsW9fS AUGUST 27 1990 Wriltsn AnSW9fS 248 to be offered by the students of [En,Hlish] Vocational Stream. ')--'-\'6 Steps to Check Academic Deterioration III. A candidate may also offer an Additional subject from the Aca- 2900. SHRI HEMENDRA SINGH demic Stream or out of the two BANERA: Will ths PRiME MINIS I ER be additional subjects given above. pleased to state: (a) whether time bound promotion of IV. The students of the Computer College and University teachers has ad- StudIes (Technology/Tech- versely affected the merit and academic niques) under the vocational performance; Stream have no option to re- place Language-II with one of (b) if so, the steps taken to check the option to replace Language- academic deterioration~ and " with one of the electives from the Academic Stream or may (c) whether Govemment propose to offer one of the Additionals as curtail long vacation for better utilisation of given in the Syllabus in lieu of time? Language-II. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE l Translation] MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- ~~ VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) and (b). According to the Denudation of Forests In Deihl scheme of Revision of Pay Scale announced by the Government of India on 22nd July. 2899. SHRI BALESHW6R YADAV: 1988, promotions are linked not only to the Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND number of years of service but also to aca- FORESTS be pleased to state: demic performance. Under the scheme, University/colleges lecturers will be promoted (a) whether large scale denudation of to the senior scale on completion of 8 years forests is going on in Delhi; of regular service provided they have under- gone the specified refresher courses or any other appropriate continuing education pro- (b) if so, whether Government have grammes of comparable quality; and have taken any concrete steps to check this denu- consistently satisfactory performance ap- dation of forests; and praisal reports. These teachers are eligible for promotion to the post of Reader on (c) if so, the details thereof and if not, completion of further 8 years of service in the the reasons therefor? senior scale provided they have obtained a Ph.D degree or equivalent published work. They shou\d a\so have made some mark. in THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT scholarship and-fesear:ch as evidenced by AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI reports of referees, quality of publications, ROUTRA Y): (a) to (c). Delhi Administration contribution to 8ducationa\ innovation, etc. have intimated that no large scale denuda- and participated in specified retresher tlon of forests has baen Jeported to them. courses or other continuing education pro- 249 Written AnswelS BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Wrirten AnswelS 250 grammes. They should also have consis- [English] tently good performance appraisal reports. 0 1.--.s BhuJangrao Committee (c~ There is no such proposal received from any quarter. [ Translation] ')..\..l,.~ Standard of Technical Education Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: 2901. SHAI SANTOSH KUMAB~A.~@ ~: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased (a) whether any of the subjects recom- to state: mended for introduction by 8hujangrao Committee has since been started; (a) whether any scheme is uQder con- (b) if so, the details thereof; and sideration for improving the standard of Technical education; (c) it not, the reasons therefor? (8) if so, the details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the manner in which this is likely to MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- be implemented and when? VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) to (c). No, Sir. The recommen- THE MINISTER OF STATE 'IN THE dations of the Committee are under exami- MINISTRY OF HUt.;1A.N RESOURCE DE- nation. VELCPMENT ;SHRI CHIMANBHAI "l 5 (.1 MEHTA): (a) to (c) The Government of India SUPW Teachers of Kendriya Vldyalayas is already irnpleme!'ting amongst others, a Scheme of Thr.Jst Areas of Technical Edu- 2903. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHER· catio" under which creation of infrastructure JEE: Will the P'RTM·EMIN ISTER b~ pl~ased in areas of eme:ging tecI-Jnology, expansion to state: of facililities in c-ucial area of technology where weakness exists and programme in new andlor improved technology and offer- (a) the justifications in giving weightage ing new courses in specialised fields are to experience of teaching in the direct re- being implemented to improve the standard cruitment to the posts of Socially Useful of technical education in the country. Productive Works teachers of Kendriya Vidyalayas but not doing so in case of all other categories of teachers; Besides this, the World Bank has agreed to provide assistance under a project for (b) whether any representation against upgrading technical (Polytechnic) education this has been received by the Sangathan; in capacity, quality and efficiency in the and country. Details of this proiect were laid on the tab\e 01 the House in a rep\y to Starred {c) if so, the reaction 01 the Government Question No. 94 on 13th August, 1990. thereto? 251 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 252 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) and (c). Does not arise. MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI [English] MEHTA): (a) Weightage is given to experi- ').; P-l.-- ence while short listing applications of candi- Sitapur as a Model District dates for posts of Socially Useful Productive Work teachers because' Socially Useful 2905. DR. (SMT) RAJENDRA KUMARI Productive Work is a subject in which prac- BAJPAI: Will the PRIME MINISTER be tical experiencelworkshop practise is con- pleased to state the actual work regarding sidered necessary. implementationofthe project of Sitapur (U.P.) as a Model District (Adarsh Zila) is likely to (b) As per records available, Kendriya start as the prqject has already been in- Vidyalaya Sangathan has not received any cluded in the Eighth Plan? representation. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) Does not arise. MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- rTrans/ation] GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) State Gov- Pollution in Surat City of Gujarat ernment have informed that they are still to receive the Plan from the district. 2904. SHRI C.D. GAMIT: Will the Min- ister of ENVIRONMENT ANoFORESTS be [Translation] f')rL u$VO ye~...... 1) c~ ~v.6J....,.) pleased to state: 1,.. s '")..- . ~ e<.-}--,-~~7; (;. India's Position in Book Industry (a) whetherGovernment are aware that pollution is fast spreading in the Surat City of 2906. SHRIGUMANMALLODHA: Will Gujarat, if so, the details thereof; the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (b) if not, whether Government prC?pose (a) whether India was Seventh in the to send a team of experts to get acquainted World Book Industry in 1985-86 according to with the situation there; and U.N.O. Year book and was 3rd in English books while in 1988-89 India was 17th and (c) if so, by what time? perhaps it is nowhere at Present; and (b) if so, the reasons for this slide? THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ROUTRAY): (a) Gujarat Population Control MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- Board is oontinuously monitoring ambient air VELOPMENT ~ (SHRI CHIMANBHAI quality in Surat. Suspended Particulate MEHTA): (a) and (b). There is not accepted matter in some areas, at time exceeds the international ranking system on the basis of permissible lim it. This Is due to natural dusty which it could be said that India occupies the conditions. Other parameters such ~s sul- seventeenth position in the world in the field phur dioxide.. and nitrogen oxides are within of publication of books. However, the the standards. Proper sewerage treatment UNE;SCO Statistical Year Book for 1989, and municipal waste waters disposal system lists the number of titles published in 84 to do not exist for the entire city. countries. acco.rding to which 10 countries 253 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 254 published in a larger number of titles in 1985, ing the most suitable site near the backward than India. .and unemployment ridden Bariadeeh Mar of Markoccho block in Koderma sub-division; [English] and '1-S). Environment Courts (b) whether in view of the expert opinion Government propose to accord its final 2907. SHRI RAMESH CHENNI- acceptance to this proposal in order to pro- THALA: vide employment to the youth of this area? S~RI SRIKANTHA DATTA NARAS I MH ARAJA THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE WADIYAR: MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA RAMANNA): (a) No Jayaraman Expert Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT Group was constituted by Govt. for selection AND FORESTS be pleased to state: of site for setting up an Ordnance Factory. However, a Site Selection Committee was (a) whether Government propose to set constituted to recommend location for set- up Environmental Courts in the country; ting up of a new Ordnance Factory. The Committee recommended a number of sites (b) if so, the main purpose behind including Markacho in Hazaribagh district. setting up such courts and at what stage the proposal stands at present; (b) Government have since decided to obtain the required quantity of supplies from (c) to what extent the establishment of the existing Ordnance Factories and the civil such courts will help in solving the environ- sector. mental problems; [English] (d) the financial implication of such 'l" S l.~ courts; and Sanctions for Historical Places In Maharashtra (e) the details thereof? 2909. SHRI SUDAfv! QESHM~~KH: Will THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) to (e). The matter is under (a) the details of the sanctions issued examination. by Government for Shri Shivaji Raigad Fort, district Pune and the purposes for which the [Translation] V.-L--\.e''f'- (__Q_ sanctions were issued; and ;_ S> C Site Selection for Ordnance Factory in {b) the other new sanctions or commit- Koderma Sub-Division ments of Government for other historically important sites and'place in Maharashtra for 2908. SHRI R.L.P. VERMA: Will the the current year? PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the findings of Jayaraman Expert MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- Group (1986-87) on the selection of site for VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI National Defence Ordnance Factory regard- MEHTA): (a) and (b). An estimate amount- 255 Written Answets AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnswelS 256 ing to Rs. 2,7,8001- was sanctioned for con-. vation of monuments of national importance servation works of the Raigad Fort, in district in Maharashtra, keeping in view their re- Aaigad which are in progress. quirements, the available resources and archaeological norms, the follcwing monu- ments have been included in the action Plan Besides the maintenance and conser- 1990-91 for extensive conservation works. 1. Ellora Caves Aurangabad 2. Ajanta Caves Aurangabad 3. Elephanta Caves Gharapuri 4. Shivneri Fort Junnar 5. Bassein Fort Bassein 6. Markanda Dev Tample Markanda 7. City Walls & Gates Chandrapur 8. Chang Deo Temple Change Deo dist. Jalgaon 9. Daulatabad Fort Aurangabad 10. Panhala Fort Kolhapur N.C.C. Contingent to Canada (d) the approximate amountto be spent and the source of finances? 2910. SHRI P.M. SAVEED: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleas8d to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MfNlsmv Of DEFENCE (DR. RAJA (a) whether a large contingentof N.C.C. .RAMANNA): (a) and (b). 2 boy and 2 girls has been deputed to go to Canada and stay NCC Cadets and 8 Officefs have been sent there for a long time to study social and to Canada for 3 months. cultural patterns there; (c) They have been divided into two (b) if so, the number of boys and girls, groups. One group will visit Devon, Fort separately who have been included in the Saskabehewan, and Marinville. The second team; group will visit Powell River, Sechelt and Squamish. They will be.in Canada for about (c) the exact purpose of sending the 3 months. N.C.C. team to Canada; the exact place· where they would remain on tour and the The visit is in pursuance of a protocol exact period of their stay; and agreement signed between Canada World 257 ~rittenAnsW9m BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) ~ritten AnsW9m 258 Youth and the N.C.C. This is the 11th Pro- (a) whether Planning Commission has gramme which started in the year 1980. The made any assessment of the growth rates In purpose is to create among participants of agriculture, industrial and population sec- both countries an increased awareness and tors of the country in the Seventh Five Year appreciation of the socio-economic and cul- Plan; and tural realities of the two countries and also to foster among participants that they are (b) if so, the details thereof, State-wise .members of an international order. and year-wise? (d) The approximate amount to be spent on international air travel and stay in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Canada is Rs. 5 lakhs. This will be borne by MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER the Canadaj'lorld Youth. OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- )-<;1 rj_~a..y- £(~ GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI Growth Rate In Various SectJrs BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) and (b). A statement based on data obtained from the 2911. SHRI Y.S. RAJA SEKHAR Central Statistical Organisation for the first REDDY: Will the PRIME MINISTER be three years of the Seventh Plan is given pleased to state: below. 259 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 260 q,e £ ~ ~ K. CX! (f) C\I CX! ~ ...... co ~ N N ~ O"l Z .g ~ .c: - -6 ~ Q:l (f) c: '"<1J c CX! co (f) ~ .Q e co N N N (!) O"l ~ c: - ;:) .Q -(0 ~ 1!i;:) co L() ~ O"l ...... C\I ~ c: g. ~ O"l N N N t1l a.. O"l ~ U) - ;:) ~ ~ ...... (f) to ~ ..s ;::0- K u-; "! "- co N Lri cO 0> O"l .~ ~ ~ ~ - .E .c: ;:) co ~ '" C') c: <1J "'-: 0'> ~ ...... e co or:i or:i r-...: ~ (!) ..,._O"l "I N ~ c: c: ~ S (;j U) 0:.0 a.. ::;) ~ .... ~ co ::;) t1l ..0 L() ~ CX! ~ I"-: t- ~ ..s co L() ::;) ~ O"l a:i Z .g ..,._ 'I ~ 0> ~ LLI « u: co l- co E ;::0- ~ 0'> ...... 0'> ~ "- K.. ~ .g ..... co O'l N cO cO o-i CJ) 0 ~ .,.._O"l ,. v::-a. ~ ~ t1l .g q, .c: Q. ::.. ~ co ..... 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Q. ::::I i (d) the details of the programmes with (b) and (c). The Institute did not have regard to the launching of anti-tank missiles sufficient infrastructural facilities to admit in near future? 180 students during 1989-90. 4- ~ _ £_l~~""1 Results of Open School THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA 2914. SHRI RATILAL KALiDAS RAMANNA): (a) Yes, Sir. VARMA: _ Wi~PRIME MINISTER be ri preased to state' (b) Yes, Sir. (a) the steps Government are taking to (c) The ballistic flight-tests of 'NAG' and streamline the functioning of Opsn School 'AKASH' missiles were successfully carried and to conduct exams timely and declare out on 07 & 08 Feb 90 and 14 Aug 90 results quickly so as to keep pace with the respectively from interim Test Reange examination schedule and results of other Balasroe in Orissa. The flight tests fully Universities In order to enable the students achieved the mission objectives and proved of Open School to take aCimission in colleges the critical missile subsystems namely in time; and airframe, popUlation, on-board power sup- ply, telemetry and the launcher systems. (b) by when the result of 10+2 class of the Open School will be declared? (d) Controlled flight-tests of the anti- tank missile 'NAG' are scheduled in last THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE quarter of the year. MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- /; VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANSHAI Post Graduate Programme In Indian MEHTA): (a) Open School which was func- Institute of Management 8angalore. tioning as an integral part of CSSE has now been re-constituted as the National Open 2913. SHRI JOSS FERNANDEZ: Will School, and autonomous organisation un- the PRIME MINISTER be pleasedTciState: der the Government of India, Department of Education. (a) the total number of candidates en- rolled for post graduate programme in the The CSSE still conducts examinations 267 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answets 268 and declares results for the Secondary and industry in the country are given in the state- Senior School Certificate Examinations of ment below. National Open School. The pattern of Na- tional Open School examinations for Secon- (c) As a result of the initiatives so far dary and Senior School Certificate is differ- taken, the electronics in~ustry has achieved ent from the formal system. Since there is a a cumulative annual average growth of 35% provision of accumulating grades, the ex- in the last 5 years. aminations are conducted twice a year, a May and November The position regarding A high level Committee has been set up timely conduct of examinations and declara- to promote Electronics production in Mahar- tion of results is expected to improve after ashtra has increased from about Rs. 305 the National Open School is vested with the crores to about Rs. 2000 crores during the authority to .conduct its own examinations 7th plan period. 213 Industrial Licences and and to issue necessary certificates for the 290 Letters of IntenVRegistrations had been same. issued till April, 1990 for setting up of Elec- tronic Units in ~abarashtra. 3 applications (b) The results are expected to be .for manufacturing electronic items are under declared by 27.8.1990. process. '-l- i") f Incentives to Electronic Industry (d) Electronics Zones have been set up . in Pune. Aurangabad, Trans Thane Creek, 2916. SHRIVASANTSATHE; Willthe Nagpur and Amrav DIS. Investment limitfor this sector exchange permit for foreign ex- has been revised to Rs. 35 lakhs change- for marketing expenses and that for ancilliary units to Rs. 45 abroad, setting up of joint ventures lakhs. in India and acquiring companies abroad, import of software under 5. In order to achieve economies of OGL and software export through scale in certain key areas, certain data communication links. components which were reserved for small scale sector have been 10. The Department of Electronics is dereserved. setting up Software Technology Parks at Bhubaneshwar, Pune and 6. In almost all areas of electronics, Bangalore to cater to the needs of excluding consumer electronics, Software Development units for MRTP companies have be~n ex- 100% export of software through empt from clearance under sec- Data Communication Links. tions 21 and 22 of MRTP Act. 11. Import duty on raw materials, 7. The private sector units are permit- components and capital equipment ted to manufacture telephones, has been reduced. For component EPABX, teleprinters, facsimile industry, the duty raw materials, equipments, data communication parts & somi-finished goods have terminals, etc. In addition, certain been rationalised. switching equipment below 2000 lines and transmission equipment 12. The import policy has been ration- below 120 voice/data channels are alised with a view to increasing also allowed in the private sector. production. Othertelecommunication items can also be take up by the private sec- 13. Government is promoting appro- tor with Central/State Government priate applications of electronics to participation of at least 51 % equity improve productivity, quality, safety shares. and quality of services. 8. For computer industry, the empha- 14. Various projects have been initi- sis is on the manufacture of com- ated by the Technology Develop- puters based on latest technology mentCouncil, National Radarcoun- at prices comparable ~ith interna- cil, National micro-electronics tional level and progressively in- Council and Electronic Materials creasing indigenisation consistent Development Council (EMDC) with with economic viability. a view to promote innovation, prod- uct design and development and 9. A new software policy has been technology development which are announced to encourage produc- all basic for the growth of a healthy tion and export of software. As per electronics industry. policy and subsequent decisions by the Government, the various 15. Various research centres and labo- incentives are given to software ratories such as the Society for industry in terms of import of hard- Applied' Microwave -Electronics ware for export purpose, blanket Engineering and Research, Na- 271 Written Answets AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answets 272 tionaI Centre for Software T echnol- (ITt) which can test and certify ogy, Centre for Development of electronic components for export Telematics, Centre for Develop- to 24 Me!!,ber countries Including ment of Advanced Computing USA, USSR, Japan, South Korea, Technology, Centre for Materials FRG, UK and other European for Electronics Technology (C- '1- 1 ~untries. MET) for Development of Material and several Electronics Research Navodaya Vldyalaya at Maniyur (Kerala) and Development Centres have been set up at carry out R&D in well 2917. SHRI K. MURALEEDHAflAN: identified areas, which is also a Wlil the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to measure for developing self reliant state: industrial base. (a) th~ total strength of students in 16. The import policy is periodically Navodaya Vidyalaya at Maniyur (Kerala); reviewed to promote usage of items for which production capacities (b) whether existing Vidyalaya building have been set up. is inadequate to accommodate the strength; and 17. Cash Compensatory Support (CCS) of 12% of FOB export value (c) if so, the steps proposed ir. this is available on export of electronic regard? component and equipment. CCS e on Computer Software IS 10 /;, of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the net foreign exchange earnings. MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CrllMANBHAI 18. Import Replenishment (REP) on MEHTA): (a) The total strength of students export of electronic equipment and at Navodaya Vidyalaya. Manlyur (Kerala) is components is available at the rate 218 of 20% of FOB export value. 0" export of Computer Software REP (b) and (c). The Vidyalaya is functioning Licence va1ue is 10% of net foreign in temporary accommodation at present. In exchange earings. order to provide the reqUired additional accommodation at temporary site, neces- 19. Electronics sector has been cov- sary funds have been released. Construc- ered under the Simplified Brand tion of building at permanent site IS also in Rate Fixation Scheme. progress. "),.."(v 20. Three Indian Laboratories, viz. Study by Centre for Planning, Research Electronics Regional Test labora- and ActlPn on Brain Drain tories located at Delhi, Calcutta and Bombay respectively set up under 2918. SHRI KAILASH MEGHWAL: the department of Electronics have sHRI SHAN' ILAL pu- been authorised by Intern~tional RUSHOTTAMDAS electro-technical Commission for PATEL: - Quality Assessment of Electronic SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINGH: Components (IECQ), Geneva as Will the PRIME MINIS' ER be pleased Independent Test Laboratories to state: 273 Written AnswelS BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Wrltt9IJ AnSW91S 274 (a) whether Government agree with a as well as increased efforts in existing areas study conducted by the Centre for Planning, particularly in the production and services Research and Action, which was sponsored sector. Some of these are: by the Department of Science and Technol- ogy, that India lost to the tune of 13 million Increase in the outlay for science dollars to the developed countries by way of and technology sector in succes- brain drain upto the year 1985 and that such sive Five Year Plans. losses are on the increase in alarming pro- portions; Creation of new scientific depart- ments/organisations such as De- (b) if so, the details thereof; partments of Bio-technology, Ocean Development, Environment, (c) whether Governmont have initiated Non-Conventional Energy Sources, any steps to plug such constantly increasing Centre for Development of T ele- losses; and matics (C-DOT) etc. (d) if so, the details thereof and if not, Conscious efforts to ex~nd indus- the reason therefor? trial production and services sec- tors of advanced nature and those THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE which are knowledge based. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) and (b). Creation of a Special Cell in the The study. conducted by the Centre for Ministry of Industry for assisting Research, Planning and Action (CEPRA) non-resident Indians to secure has broadly estimated that benefit lost by expeditious clearance of their ap- India due to migration of its skilled man- plications for setting up of industrial power was of the order of 13 billion dollars units in this country. Similarly some upto the year 1985 is not available in the states have also set up special CERPA study. Department of Science and cells and departments to encour- Technology (DST) is concerned with sev- age and assist non-resident Indi- eral aspects of S& T and sponsors from time ans to come baCk and set up indus- to time various studies with Institutions and tries/professional ventures. individuals; the study conducted by CERPA was one such sponsored study. The findings Setting1Jp of many more universi- from such studies provide inputs that Gov- ties/colleges/centres of excellence/ ernment takes note of to evolve an overall advanced studies. perspective in S & T matters without neces- sarily attempting to determine the degree of Provision for temporary placement consonance-or otherwise at the individual 01 scientists and techno\ogists input level. underthe Scheme of Scientists Pool of CSIR. (c) and Cd). A number of measures have bean nevertheless been taken from time to Creation of supernumerary posts. time to minimise the outflow, as also to attract scientists, technologists and doctors Programmes launched on the basis settled abroad to come to the country. This of which core groups of profession- Involves creation of employment opportuni- als have been created in the coun- ties in new areas of science and technology try with all necessary modern facili- 275 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 276 ties required for persuing research THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT in new and frontier areas of sci- AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ence. ROUTRAY): (a) Yes, Sir. Invitation to professional men and (b) The proposal has ben forwarded to women of Indian origin who have UNESCO. distinguished themselves in their 1--7 , fields of activities and are settled Implementation of University Grants abroad, for short term technical Commission Schemes assignments to assist in our devel- opmental efforts in frontier areas of 2920. ~BJ P8LAI K.M. MATHEW: technology and emerging areas of Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to science through various pro- state: grammes. (a) which are the States where Univer- SCience and technology based sity Grant Commission pay scales for col- training for entrepreneurial devel- lege teachers are yet to be implemented; opment. (b) the amount sanctioned/spent in Delegation of enhanced adminis- each State during the last plan period for the rative financial powers to scientific above purpose; instltutitions to improve working conditions of scientists. (c) whether the University Grants Commission pay scale have been given to Provision of facilities for import of the College teachers in Kerala; and equipmentfor professionals return- ing from abroad. (d) if not, tile reasons therefor? Launch of manpowerdevelopment THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE training/retraining programmes MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- through offering of associateships/ VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI fellowships/courses etc. ~ . ~ ~-I MEHTA): (a) According to the information t . \...l.-~ ~L""'_ I ..-k;"" ..._ ;~.>-.. ~ ) ::0.. (\(/ , ( available, all State Governments have im- Silent Valley National Park as World plemented the scheme of revision of pay Heritage Site scales except [3ihar where the scheme is reported to be under consideration of the State Government. 2919. SHRI P.A. ANTORNY: Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (b) A Statement indicating the amount be pleased to state: of grants paid to 17 State Governments during 1988-89 and 1990-91 for implemen- (a) whether the Kerala Government tation of the scheme is give below. For the has approacl,ed the Union Gov~rnment to remaining States, the Department is in cor- get the Silent Valley National Park (Kerala) respondence with the concerned State included in the World Heritage Site; and Governments regarding their financial re- quirements for implementing the Scheme. (b) if so, the action taken by the Union Government in this regard? (c) and (d). According to the information BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written AnSW91S 278 fumishedbythe Government of Kerala, there lege. The State Government has estimated are a number of composite colleges in the that 52% of the total number of college State in which teachers teach in pre-degree teachers. as well a,s degree classes in the same col- STATEMENT 51. No. Name of the State Amount released (Rs. in CrDl'9s) 1 2 3 1. Andhra Pradesh 52.20 2. Arunachal Pradesh 0.15 3. Gujarat 40.00 4. Goa 1.00 5. Himachal Pradesh 2:00 6. Haryana 11.00 7. Kamataka 30.80 8. Madhya Pradesh 30.00 9. Maharashtra 50.00 10. Manipur 1.65 11. Orissa 29.00 12. Punjab 9.39 13. Rajasthan 10.96 14. Tamil Nadu 42.33 15. Tripura 0.75 16. Uttar Pradesh 35.08 17. Kerala 20.00 Total 366.37 279 MfrlNenAnswe~ AUGUST 27 1990 W'rithm AnSW9~ 280 [ Translation] located at Calicut, Surat, Srinagar ":\t:\ Allahabad, Durgapur, Jamshedpur, ')' Ban on Ragging In Colleges Nagpur, Surathkal, Warangal. --- Jaipur, Rourkela, Bhopal, Tiruchira- 2921. SHRI RESHAM LAL JANGDE: palli, Kurukshetra, Silchar, Hamlrpur Will the PRiME MiNIS"""fERbe pleased to and Jalandhar. state: (4) School of Planning and Architec- (a) the particulars of engineering, voca- ture, New Delhi. tional and other colleges controlled by Union Government; (5) NationaL Institute of Foun<;lry and Forge Technofogy, Ranchi (Bihar). (b) whether Government are aware that incidents of ragging in colleges are on the (6) National Institute for Training and increase for the past several years; a,nd Industrial Enri·neeri~' Bombay. :: 0 ~ \tAr r~ h (c) if so, the steps being taken by "). l"> CAT IndustrIal ntre, Indore Government to ban ragging in colleges? 2922. SHRIMATISUMITRAMAHAJAN: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the PRIME MINiSTER be pleased to MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- state: VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) Particulars of Engineering, (a) the time by which Pragat (CAT) Management and Architecture Colleges -Industrial Centre at Indore will start function- controlled by the Union Government is given ing fully; in the statement below. (b) whether any scheme has been (b) and (c). Government have advised formulated for providing an opportunity to all the heads of institutions to stop the prac- the local talent in this centre; and tice of ragging in their institutions. No inci- dents of ragging in these colleges have (c) if so, the details thereof? come to notice of the Government in the recent past. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- STATEMENT OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) Centre for Advanced Technology (CAT) is a re- Particulars of Technical Institutions (under search centre established by the Depart- the control of Union of India) ment of Atomic Energy to take up Research & Development programmes relating to (1) 5 Indian Institutes of Technology accelerators, lasers and fusion research. located at Delhi, Kanpur, Bombay, The Centre is presently engaged in the Madras and Kharagpur. expansion of the R&D programme. It is a.lso proposed to set up a Laser Production Facil- (2) 4 Indian Institutes of Management ity as part of the Vllith Five Year Plan pro- located at Calcutta, Bangalore, gramme. As the proposal is still under ex- lucknow and Ahmedabad. amination. the exact time by which the pro- duction facility will start cannot be stated at (3) 17 Regional Engineering Colleges this stage. 281 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 282 (b) and (c). A large number of students moval of disparity in access to educational from Universities and other technical insti- opportunity suffered by women, several steps tutes in Indore and nearby areas are ac- have been initiated to promote women's cepted by CAT for trianing in various disci- education throughout the country including plines with a view to encourage and promote Madhya Pradesl'l with emphasis on women local talent. While appointments to Scientific in rural and tribal areas. Some of these are and Technical posts are made through se- as under: letion on all-India basis, local talents are encouraged in the matter of appointment to (i) School Education: In the School posts in Groups C & D by making recruitment education, measures taken for through local employment exchange. promoting education 01 the girls 'J.-8 I l\~ e-:'-\At~~--1-!h include recruitment of more women Number of Literate Women In Educa· teachers "for primary schools, in- tlonally Backward Districts of M.P. centive schemes like distribution of free textbooks and uniforms, free 2923. SHRI PHOOl CHAND VERMA: education to girls upto Class VIII in Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to all Government, local body and state: aided school, and upto class X in most of the StateslUnion Territo- (a) whether Government have identi- ries. fied the number of literate women in the educationally backward districts in Madhya (ii) Non-formal Education: Ninety per Pradesh; cent assistance is released by the Central Government for running of (b) whether their number has increased Non-formal Education Centres for during the last decade; and girls in Madhya Pradesh, the re- maining 10% being met by the State (c) the steps taken by Government for Government. further increasing their number? (iii) Adult Education: Specific steps THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE taken to enlarg~ coverage of MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- women in adult education pro- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI gramme include: MEHTA): (a) and (b). The Literacy data is collected in decennial census operations. A Mobilisation of women learners Statement showing the number of literate and to ensure enrolment of' at women in the various Districts of Madhya least 50% women in adult edu- Pradesh as per 1981 census is given below. cation centres; Forty one districts have a female liter- appointment of large number of acy rate below the national average and 28 women adult education function- districts have a female literacy rate below the aries such as Instruators and state average. The number of literate women Preraks even by F9laxing the in Madhya Pradesh at present will be known existing minimum education only after the next census which is due in qualifications; 1991 is held. involvement of a large number of (c) Keeping in view the policy for re- voluntary agencies especially 283 Wrtten AnSW91S AUGUST Z11990 Wriltsn AnswelS 284 those working for women: improving their living conditions; "Jore attention by Shramik involvement of Central and State Vidyapeeths to women workers; Social Welfare Boards with adult education programmes; and special orientation and training of women Instructors as effec- production of forms on female tive agents for promoting literacy and empowerment and women's equality; their telecast through Ooor- darshan. provision of opportunities for retention of literacy skills and The State Governments have been application of this learning for advised to take action accordingly. STATEMENT 51. No. StatelDistrict No. of Female literates 1 2 3 Madhya Pradesh 3,927,266 1. Morena 59.753 2. Bhind 64,668 3. Gwalior 131,765 4. Datia 17,602 5. Shivpuri 32,411 6. Guna 43,503 7. Tikamgarh 29,159 8. Chhatarpur 42,073 9. Panna 22,317 10. Sagar 131,641 11. Damoh 57,296 12. Satna 73,950 13. Rewa 67,454 285 WriIt9n Answers BHADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 286 SI. No. StateIDistrlct No. of Female literates 1 2 3 14. Shahdol 57,469 15. Sidhi 23,1~ 16. Mandasaur 92,253 17. Ratlam 66,994 18. Ullain 105,921 19. Shajapur 37,581 20. Dewas 48,566 21. Jhabua 25,053 22. Dhar 53,381 23. Indore 244,671 24. West Nimar 97,047 25. East Nimar 105,641 26. Rajgarh 27,864 27. Vidisha 47,938 28. Bhopal 155,972 29. Sehore 30,578 30. Raisan 38,920 31. Betul 79.491 32. Hoshangabad 104,503 33. . :abalpL.r 294,473 34. Narshi~lha~I\'· 66,83.3 287 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 288 SI. No. State/District No. of Female literates 1 2 3 35. Mandla 57,990 3€t. Chhindwara 105,485 37. Seoni 62,305 38. Balaghat 118,553 39. Sarguja 61,393 40. Bilaspur 211,282 41. Raigarh 101,905 42. Raj Nandgaon 77,665 43. Durg 224,903 44. Rairpur 260,518 45. Bastar 67,380 [English] lakhs has been sanctiond by the Department of Sports in the country. fl C1 i..) Amount Spent on Development of Sports (b) The amount sanctioned by this department forthe same purpose during the 2924. SHRIMATI_- JAYAWANTI first half of 1989 was Rs. 2801.13 lakhs. NAVNICHANDRl\ Mfa] A: Will the PRIME ----- _""--~-""' ~"" - ~ MINISTER be pleased to state: [~~~ns/atjon)1 we ~ ~ ,1) rl ~)_f}~CA"1 1. "'. ' (a) the amount spent from 1 January, , 20-Pofnt Programme in Bihar 1990 to 30 June. 1990 for development of - sports in India'~and 2925. SHRI D.EYENPRA PRASAD YADAV: wTrlth~ PRIME MINISTER be (b) the amO\Int spent for same cause pleased to state: dunng 1 st half of 1'989? 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CD 1:: c > U CD >- G) .Q 'in e iii CD (J e» n; 0 N::::J u; 8. ::::J Q. l! c: CD "0 ::l 0 0 E c: ! ~ W -, 8- :::r:. .E u.. a.. 8 w ~ ci <:: ex) a) c) ~ N ,j ~ It) r--: -...: w (/) 301 Written AnSMHS BHADRA 5,19·2 (SAKA) WhbM ...... 'S 302 [EngOsh 1 • \ .. -P t'. .. ;~ .. ( : ) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ,I V ('J-U '--"';:. v " ,; \.' MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA Irregularities In Appointment In B.H.U. RAMANNA): (a) One, Sir. 2926. SHRI RAM DHAN: Will the (b) No definite cause of the fire could be PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: established . (a) whether Government have received (c) No loss sustained. complaints about irregularities in appoint- ments of various posts in the Banaras Hindu (d) Fire safety measures have been re- University; inforced. ~O'2-- (b) If so, the details thereof; and Reconstitution of Copyright Board (c) the action taken by Government 2928. DR. C. SILVERA: Will the PRIME thereon? MINISTER be pleased to state: (a) whe~herGovernment have reconsti- THE MINISTER,OF STATE IN THE tuted the Copyright Board; MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI (b) if so, the details thereof with back- MEHTA): (a) to (c). The Government have ground for such move; recently received complaints about the al- leged irregularities in appointments to the (c) the criteria for appointing members posts of Professor under the Programme of and Chairman of this Board; Biotechnology and the Department of Psy- chology in Banaras Hindu University. The (d) the facilities and remuneration en- University has been requested for a report joyed by Chairman and Members of this on the complaints. Their com ments are Board; awaited. -n r r YA_ \~ '(' (~J._ (e) the Constitutional status of this I.... Fire In Ordnance Factories Board; and 2927. SHRI KESHRI LAL: Will the (f) the detailed functions of the Board PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: and how the staff requirement of this Board are likely to be met? (a) the number of fire accidents in Defence Ordnance Factories in Kanpur THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE during last one year; MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) the details of the findings of the inquiry into the causes of the fires; (b) As the term of the earlier Copyright Board had expired on 31.3.1989, Govern- ment has reconstituted Copyright Board vide (c) the estimated loss in these fires; and notification No. L.S.O. 371 (E), dated 8.5.1990 for the period upto 31.3.1984. The (d) the action taken in the matter? composition of the Board is as follows: 303 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnswelS 304 1. Shri P.B. Venkatasubramanian Chairman 2. Joint Secretary Member In charge of Copyright. Ministry of Human Aesource Development. Department of Education. 3. Joint Secretary & Legal Member Adviser, Minister of Law & Justice (Department of Legal Affairs). Government of India. 4. Law Secretary, Member Government of Tamil Nadu. 5. Law Secretary Member Government of Bihar. 6. Law Secretary, Member Government of Kerala. 7. Secretary, Member Law and Parliamentary Affairs, Government of Meghalaya. 8. Secretary, Member Legal Department Government of Gujarat. 9. Law Secretary, Member Government of Jammu & Kashmir. (c) Section 11 of the Copy Act provides of the State on previous Boards is taken into that the Central Government shall constitute consideration. a Board to be called the Copyright Board which shall consist of a Chairman and not less than two nor more than eight other (d) The Chairman is at present getting members. The Chairman of the Copyright As. 2000/- p.m. as an honorarium with TA Board shall be a person who is, or has been, and DA as admissible to him under rules. He a Judge of the Supreme Court or a High is also getting office expenses upto Rs. 6001 Court or is qualified for appointment as a - per month for his P .A. and Peon. The Judge of a High Court. members of the Copyright Board are getting As. 2001- as honorarium for attending each The past practice has been followed of meeting of the Copyright Board in addition to appointing State Law Secretaries to the TA and DA provided to them by the con- Board. The zonal factors and representation cerned StateICentral Government. 305 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 306 (e) The Copyright Board is a quasi- of Register' of Copyrights, under judicial body set up under Section 11 of the section 72. Copyright Act, 1957 and derives its authority from the provisions of the said Act. The office of the Registrar of Copy- rights functions as the Secretariat of the (f) Thefunctions oft he Copyright Board Board. (i)....,. t _ under the Act include: 1/\6 ~'('C..Q ._, Ammunition for Bofors Guns (i) Determination of disputes arising under Section 6 of the Copyright 229. SHRI YADVENDRA DATI: Will Act, viz. whether sufficient copies the PRIME MINISTER be pleased tostate: of any work have been issued to constitute "publication" within the (a) whether a critical situation has meaning of Section 3 of the Act or arisen due to the non-availability of ammuni- whether a work may be deemed to tion for the Bofors Guns; and be first published in India under Section 5. (b) if so, what steps Government have taken to meet the situation? (ii) Determination of disputes with respect to assignment of Copyright, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE under section 19A of the Act. MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA RAMANNA): (a) No, Sir. (iii) Establishment of identity of the author of pseudonymous etc. work (b) Does not arise. where required under the explana- tion to section 23. [ Translation] 1 0 6 (iv) Power to order grand of compul- Security of Vice-Chancellors of Central sory licence under Section 31 or Universities 31A. 2930. SHRI BRIJ BHUSHAN TIWARI: (v) Power to grant licence for transla- Wilt the PRiME MINIStE~ be pleased t~" tion under section 32. state: (vi) Power to grant licence to repro- (a) whether special arrangements have duce and publish works under been made forthe security of Vice-Chancel- Section 32-A. lors of Central Universities; and (vii) Determination of objections to (b) it so, the total monthly expenditure published statements of Perform- incurred thereon? ing Rights Societies under Section 35. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- (viii) Power to order rectification of VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI Register of Copyrights under sec- MEHTA): (a) and (b). According to the tion 50. information furnished by Central Universi- ties, most of the Universities have provided (ix) Power to hear appeals againstorder watch and ward/security arrangements at 307 Wrlrten MsMHS AUGUST 27 1990 the office and residence of the Vice-Chan- drs Agriculture, Ranchi and Indian School of cellor. and during his movements. Vice- Mines have fumished information pertaining Chancellors of Aligarh Muslim University. to number of working days and the period North Eastern Hill University and Visva- during which the universities werecJosed on Bharati have been provided special security account of various vacations. The details of guards by the State Governments for which information given by these Universities Is expenditure is also borne by the concerned being scrutinised. State Government. (b) The University Grants Commission [Eng/Ish] can only suggest norms about various facets of higher education including minimum teach- Unlv.r.ltl•• In Bihar ing days, commencement of the academic session, date on which examinations are to 2931. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: Will be held etc. Since universities are autono- the PRIME MiNISTER b8 please(norefer to mous bodies it is left to them to incorporate the reply given on 7 May 1990 to Unstarred this in their Statutes/Ordinances and abide Question No. 7677 regarding uniform code by it. for Universities in Bihar and state: (c) A list of 65 colleges affiliated to L.N. (a) the names of the universities in Mithila University to which financial grants Bihar which have sent replies to the Univer- have been provided by the Commission in sity Grants Commission in regard to aca- the Seventh Plan is given below as state- demic sessions, examinations, examination ment. No college of K.S. Darbhanga San- results and ban on private tuitions etc. and skrit University is eligible to receive UGC the details of the replies sent on major is- grants. sues; STATEMENT (b) the steps being taken by the Univer- sities, particularly the universities in Bihar as S. No. Name of the co/l9ge per the suggestionsof the University Grants Commission regarding determining the 1 2 education, examination, minimum teaching days and time from the current session of 1. A.P. Singh Memorial College, 1990-91; and Barauni (Begusarai) (c) the names of colleges affiliated to 2. A.N. Deva College, Shahpur Pa- Mithila University and Sanskrit University to tory which 1inancial grants have been provided for the libraries and other developmental 3. Araria College, Araria (Purnea) works during 1989-90 and 1990-91? 4. Bharat Sevak Samaj College, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Supaul (Saharsa) MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI 5. Bharti Manda College, Rohfka MEHTA): (a) Out of the nine universities and (Madhubanl) two institutions deemed to be universities which are located in the State of Bihar, five 6. Bali Ram Bhagat College, Sam.. universities, viz., Bhagalpur, Magadh, Rajin- tipur 309 W,ittenAnswefS BHADRA 5.1912 (SAKA) WrittenAnswelS 310 S. No. Name of the college S. No. Name of the college 1 2 1 2 7. C.M. College (Arts & Commerce). 22. Harshpati Singh College, Mad- Darbhanga hepur (Madhubani) 8. C.M. Science College (Science & 23. Jagdish Nandan College, Madhu- Law), Darbhanga bani 9. Ghandramukhi Bhola College, 24. Janta Kashi Mahavidyalaya, Bi- Deorh, Ghoghardiha (Madhubani) raul, Darbhanga 10. Cooperative Evening College, 25. Jaya Nand College, Nehra Begusarai (D~rbhanga) 11. Chetharu Mehta Janta Mahav- 26. K.P. College, Murliganj, Distt. idyalay, Donwarihat Khutanna, Madhepura Distt. Madhubani. 27. Kalidas Vidyapati Science Col- 12. Darshan Sah College, Katihar lege, Uchaith, Benipatti, Madhu- bani (Bihar) 13. Dr. Lohiya Karpoori Vishweshwar Das College, Tejpur, Samastipur. 28. Kunwar Singh College, Laheriasa- rai, Darbhanga 14. Dalshirnagar Baldao, Jainagar (Madhubani) 29. Lalit Narayan Janta College, Jhanjharpur (Madhubani) 15. Diwan Bahaduw Kameshwar Narayan College, Narhan (Samas- 30. Lalit Narayan Mishra Samarak tipur) College, Birpur 16. Forbesganj College, Forbesganj, 31. Maharaja Hari Ballabh Memorial Pumea. College, Sonebarsa 17. G.D. College, Begusaria 32. Maharaja Laxmisher Singh Col- lege, Sarisabpahi, Madhubani 18. Garhi Mahanth Rameshwar Das College, Mahanpur (Samastipur) 33. Maharani Kalyani Mahavidyalaya, Laherisarai 19. Ramesh Jha Mahila Mahav- idyalaya, Saharsa ( Bihar) 34. Mahakavi Kalidas Samarak Ma- 20. Gorelal Mahta College, Ban- havidyalaya, Trimuhan Chan- mankhi ( Purnea) dauna (Bihar) 21. Harihar Saha College, Uda Kish- 35. M. R. Mahila Mahavidyalaya, anganj (Saharsa) Darbhanga 31 1 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 312 s. No Name of the college S No. Name of the col/ege 2 1 2 36. M L Jaloka Memorial Mahlla 51. Ramdeo Sharda Mahavidyalaya, College, Kalthar (Purnea) Salman (Pumea) 37. Marwan Mahavldyalaya, 52. Shn Krishna Mahila Mahav- Darbhanga Idyalaya, Begusarai 38. Marwan College, Kishanganj 53. Saharsa College, Samastipur (Purnea) 54. Samastlpur College, Samastipur 39. Mllat College, Laheriasaral (Darbhanga) 55. Thakur Prasad College, Mad- hopura 40 Munshllal Arya College, Kasba (Purnea) 56. Udayanacharya Rosera College, Rosera (Samastipur) 41 N Irmali College, N,rmah (Saharsa) 57 Uma Pandey College, Pusa 42. Nehru College, Sharafatnagar, PO Bahadurganj 58. Women's College, Samastlpur 43 Purnea Coilege, Purnea 59. B.M A. College, Behen, Darbhanga, Bihar 44 Pumea Mahlla Mahavldyalaya, Purnea 60. V S.J College, Rajnaga, PO RaJnagar 45 Rashnarayan College, Pandwal (Madhubanl) 61. R M M Law College, Saharsa (Bihar) 46 Ram Nlnkshan Atma Ram Col- lege, Samastlpur 62 Parvatl Science College, Madh,pura, PO Distt. Madhipura 47. Ramashray Baleshwar College, Dalsmgsan 63. B.N.M.V. College, Sahagarh 48. Ram Chafltray Singh College, 64. S.N.S.R.K.S. College, Saharsa Man)haul (8egusaral) (Bihar) 49. Ram Bahadur Singh College, 65. M.L.S .. M. College, Darbhanga. Andaur Mohlnddm Nagar, Sam as- tlpur 'l,\ v New Youth Policy 50. Rama Krishna College, Madhu- 2932. SHRI B.N. REDDY: Will the bani PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: 313 Wntten Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 314 (a) whether Government have recently sion for Implemented the U G C Schemes formulated a new youth policy, In the Untvertsrtles In Kerala dunng the last three years, (b) If so, the salient features thereof, and (b) whether It has come to the notice of Unton Government that under-graduate (c) when the policy IS likely to be an- courses are stili run by Universities In Kerala, nounced? and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) whether the teachers working for the MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- under-Graduate courses are also getting the VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI pay scales prescribed by the Unrverslty MEHTA) (a) to (c) A new National Youth Grants Commission? PoliCY IS under formulation and would be announced as and when finalised ~ r "1 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE '? Financial> Assistance Rendered By MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- U G.C to Universities In Kerala VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA) (a) UGC do not allocate grants to 2933 SHRI KODIKKUNNIL SURESH universities on a year to year baSIS, but for a Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Five Year Plan According to the information state furnished by the University Grants Commis- Sion, universities In Kerala were provided (a) the quantum of financial assistance follOWing grants dUring the 7th Five Year rendered by the University Grants Commls- Plan (Rs In /akhs) Name of the University Grants released In the 7th Plan 2 Caltcut University, Caltcut 20547 Cochtn University, Cochtn 34703 Kerala University Trtvandrum 381 98 GandhlJI University, Kottayam 5385 Gandhl!1 University became eltglble to the State In which teachers teach In pre- receive grants from the UGC With eHect 1rom degree as well as degree classes In the the year 1988 89 only same college The State Government has estimated that 52% oi the total number of (b) and (c) According to the rnforma- college teachers will be In degree courses tlon furnished by the Government of Kerala, and 48% In pre-degree courses The State there are a number of composite colleges In Government has decided to give reVised 315 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnswelS 316 UGC pay scales to 52% teachers in the amount and the details of work done so far degree college with effect from 1.1.86 and to in this regard? 48% teachers in pre-degree courses w.e.f. 1.4.90 as and when they complete 8 years of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE service, subject to other conditions in the MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- UGC scheme. \ \ l\ . 1 \ 1 VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI , ~> "'-'~ \J-.o.I)..~ '-? I • ,-, ,;,.• MEHTA): (a) and (b). An estimate amount- , "ONGC's Collecting and Processing ing to Rs. 32.00 lakhs has been approved in -----station At Tatlpaka, A.P. April, 1990 mainlyforthe replacement of the sand stone flooring of the court-yard and 2934. SHRI RAJAMOHANA REDDY: other items of work to be taken up in phases Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND by Archaeological Survey of India. The work FORESTS be pleased to state: is in progress. (a) whether Government have given [Translation] conditional clearance to ONGC's gas col- -;. { b lecting and processing station at Tatipaka in Steps to Control Pollution In Glrldlh East Godavari district of Andhra Pradesh; District of Bihar and 2936. PROF. YADUNATH PANDEY: (b) if so, the details thereof? Wi!i the Minister of ENVIRONMEN I AIeJD FORESTS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI (a) whether people living in Bermo ROUTRAY): (a) Yes, Sir. sub-division underGiridih District have been badly affected by industrial pollution caused (b) The project envisages collection of by dozens of collieries of CCL, three thermal gas through pipelines from nearby oil/gas Power Plants of Damodar Valley Corpora- wells and after processing, supplying it to tion and several factories in this area; industrial consumers_ The proposal was examined and the proposed operations will (b) if so, the steps taken by the Govern- not adversely affeot the environmental qual- ment since January, 1990 to date to control ity_ Adequate outlay have been provided the air pollution and oheck other industrial towards capital and recurring expenditure pollution especially by the Chandrapura for environmental protection and control. Thermal Powsr Plants of DVC; r \ ) Expenses of Jama Masjid, Deihl (c) if no steps have been taken, the - reasons therefor; and 2935. SHRI JA~ABPA~ TIWARI: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased tostate: (d) whether Government propose to take some effective measures in this regard la) whether Government have sanc- 'In near tuture, if so, the details thereof? tioned forty-five lakh rupees in May this year for the maintenance of objects of archaeo- logical importance in Jama Masjid, Delhi; THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMeNT and AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMAN I ROUTRAY): (a) The concentration of sus- (b) if so, the purpose of sanctioning this pended particulate matter in the ambient air 317 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 318 has been found to exceed the prescribed (a) the number of Rhinos in Kaziranga limits. National Park at the end of June this year; (b) Government have initiated the fol- (b) the number of Rhinos Shot in the lowing steps for control of air pollution caused Park last year in various incidents of poach- in collieries which will be operational after ing; and. January, 1990: 1) All the drill machines are to be (c) the number of Poachers arrested provided with dust collection and and follow up action taken so far in this disposal units. regard? 2) Wet drill should be resorted to. THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI 3) Blast holes will be properly placedl ROUTRAY): (a) The present population of spaced. rhinos in Kaziranga National Park is esti- mated to be around 1250. 4) Blast site will be properly wetted before blasting. (b) and (c). As reported by the State Government of Assam. 44 rhinos were Idlled 5) All long-life haul roads should be by poachers in the Kaziranga NationaJ Park metalled. In case, these cannot be in 1989. From 1989 upt date, 61 persons metalled, these should be regularly have been arrested in connection with poach- sprayed with water. ing incidents and have been handed over to the police. Cases against these persons 6} Tree barriers should be provided have also been registered with the police on both sides of the roads outside who are investigating these caseS. Anti· the querry. poaching measures inside the National Park have also bean strengthened. 7} Overburden dumps shall be prop- erly reclaimed. [ Translation],. A time bound programme has been Subsidy for Higher Education given for installation of electro-staticprecipi- tators in all the units of the Chandrapura 2938. SHRI MANJAI LAL: Will the Thermal Power Station of D.V.C PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: The other industries have been asked (a) whether Government are contem- to comply with the stipulated emission and plating to reduce the subsidy for higher effluent standards. education; .. (c) and (d). Does not arise. (b) the percentage of amount incurred [English] G-) I' C.J ;_ .l...:, C Ilq:.. (..~."' on the entire education during the last three 'ill '- ) years; Rhinos of Kaziranga National Park (c) the percentage of subsidy being 2937. SHB! ANAND SINGH: Will the granted on this expenditure; and Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FOR- ESTS be pleased to state: (d) the head of account under which 319 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Wntten Answers 320 Government now propose to spend this tlon and maintenance of monoments on the subsidy? baSIS of reqUIrement, archaeological norms and available resources It IS clartfled that no THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE grant-in-aid has been given to any person or MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- agency for the Jama MasJld, which IS being VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI conserved by the ArchaeologIcal Survey of MEHTA) (a) Government IS seized of the IndIa Itself suggestion made In different quarters re- r ~'I. 0 garding the need to generate resources ~ Private Educational Institutions in from within the higher education system to Punjab meet the growing requirement of funds for higher education 2940 BABA SUCHA SINGH Will the PRIME MINiSTERbepleasedto-state (b) Approximately 11 per cent of total amount Incurred on education was spent on (a) the details of private educational higher education dunng the last three years institutions In Punjab and Chandlgarh, (c) and (d) According to a study made (b) whether there IS nay law regulating by ASSOCiation of Indian UniverSities, about these institutions, 70 per cent of expenditure on univerSities IS spent from Government sources Grants from (c) the number of teachers graduates Central and State Governments are paid and post graduate, trained and un tramed, under the relevant budget heads employed by them, [English] (d) the minimum salary fixed by the Government and paid to them Vis-a-VIS rec- Financial ASSIstance to Ancient Relig- ognised/aided schools, and IOUS Places (e) the proposals for regulating or tak- 2939 ~HRI J P AGARWAl Will the Ing over of these Institutions? PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether Government propose to MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- give finanCial assistance to ancient temples, VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI mosques churches etc for their conserva- MEHTA) (a) to (e) The Information IS bemg tion as given to Jama MasJld of Deihl, collected and shall be laid on the Table of the House ~ - (. ~ (b) If so, the details thereof, and .. - Pollution Control Measures At Famous (c) If not the reasons therefor? PIlgrims Centre in India THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 2941 SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE ..Q.HANDRA'i--WIJI the Mlnlst;~OtEtNI VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI RONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to MEHTA) (a) to (c) No fJnancJal aSSJstance state IS gIVen on the baSIS 01 the sectanan charac- ter of a monument such as temple, mosque (a) whether Government have under or cn\.Hcn Funds aTe allotted ~or consetVa- taken any study on the extent o~ pollutIon 321 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 322 and possible measures for control of pollu- unauthoried constructions on defence land tion at famous pilgrim centres in India; in Mahatma Gandhi Park; {b} the details of pilgrim towns that are (b) if so, the details thereof; and most polluted now; and (c) the nature of unauthorised construc- (c) the measures being taken to make tion taken place? them pollution free? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI RAMANNA): (a) No unauthorised construc- ROUTRAY): (a) Yes, Sir. The Ganga river tion on defence land in Mahatma Gandhi was studied for pollution levels by Central Park has been noticed. Pollution Control Board (CPCB)during meass bathing on the occassion of Kumbh Melas at (b) and (c). Do not arise. Haridwar in April, 1980 and at Allahabad in January, 1982. CPCB studied the pollution level at Gangasagar in January, 1983. The Wasteland Development Brahma-Sarovar at Kurukshetra was also studied for pollution during 'Solar Eclipse 2943. SHRI SHANTARAM Mela' in September, 1987. POTDUKHE_:.Wili the Minister of ENVIR(jff- MENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: (b) Of the various centres monitored during the last two years the Ganga at Harid- (a) whether the programme for waste- war during 1980 Kumbh Mela was found land development has not made much prog- most polluted due to mass bathing. ress even after 5 years of its launching; if so, the reasons therefor; (c) The wastewaters entering river Ganga at Haridwar have been intercepted (b) the estimated area in terms of hec- and diverted to treatment plants put up under tares which has been greened so far; and the Ganga Action Plan with a view to im- prove the water quality of the river. ~ I -~)- e f-E. i' '_.Q (c) the estimated expenditure incurred Unauthoriesed Construction in Canton- tiff date on wasteland development? ment Areas in Kanpur 2942. SHRI V. SREENIVASA PRASAD: THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI referto reply given on 7 May, 1990 to Unstar- ROUTRAY): (a) to (c). The Wastelands red Ouestion No. 7671 regardig unauthor- Development was launched in 1985. During ised constructions in Kanpur Cantonment the last five years, the programme has fo- area and State: cussed on afforstation and tree planting. The year-wise progress and expenditure, moni- (a) whether the authorities have issued tored as an item of the Twenty Point Prog- any notice or have taken action to Si'i;J am me is given below: 323 Writr." AnSwelS AUGUST Z11990 WrinM AnsweIB 324 Year Target AcheivBment Expendltuf8 (AreB in Million hectare) (Rs. in CfOI'fIS) 1985-86 1.45 1.50 398.84 1986-87 1.71 1.74 455.08 1987-88 1.80 1.77 477.46 1988-89 2.00 2.11 . 588.36 1989-90 1.68 1.71 504.11* ·Ou!'ay donstructlon work of Navodaya (a) whether the ~adhya Pradesh Gov- Vldyalaya ShankarNagar ernment has submited the proposal of Col- lector, Damoh for opening of Kendriya 2944. DR. VENKATESH KABDE: Will Vidyalaya at Damoh by offering a big bu:Jd- the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: ing alongwith substantial area of la"d to the Union Government; (a) whether the construction work of Navodaya Vidyalaya at Shankar Nagar in (b) if so, when the proposal had been Naanded District in Maharastra is delayed; received by the Union Government; and (b) Hso, the reasons thereof; and (c) by what time the proposal Kendriya Vidyalaya is likely to be established? (c) by when the construction will be completed? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- MEHTA): (b) and (c). The construction agency (c) A team of officers of Kendriya has awarded the work to a contractor who VidyaJaya Sangathan (Headquarters) will visit has not completed the work as per schedule. the site shortly and submit the feasibility Action is being taken to get the work com- report. The decision to establish a Kendriya pleted, by March 1991. VidyaJaya will be taken thereafter. '1:', :_l \..\ foe. --02CV-) , Opening of Kendrlya Vldyalayas At 'seeds Sprlnklng Programme Damoh 2946. SHRI LOKENDRA SINGH: Will 2945. SHRI LOKENORA SINGH: Will the Minister~-'ENViRONMENT AND the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: FORESTS be pleased to state: 325 Written Answers BHAORA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 326 (a) whether any State Government has (d) the names ofthefirms with countries approached the Union Governmentfor'Seed of origin from where these are imported? Sprinking Programme' through erial spray; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the details thereof and further MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA action taken in this regard? RAMANNA): (a) to (d). The information is being collected and will be laid on the Table THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT of the House. AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI -J----"'.:.. t~_)/" ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). The Aerial Seeding Ex-Servicemen Working in Field Gun Programme is under implementation from - - - FaCtory, Kanpur 1989-89 in Andhra Pradesh, Haryana. Kar- nataka, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, West 2948. SHRI M. V. CHANDRASHEKARA Bengal and Tamil Nadu throught the con- MUBIHY;.. Will the PRIME MINISTER iii cerned State Governments and a total area pleased to refer to the reply given on 2 April, of 19266 hectares has been covered under 1990 to Starred Question No. 299 regarding this programme during the period 1988-89 to Ex-servicemen working in the Field Gun 1989-90. The allocation for the current year Factory Kanpur and state: Le. 1990-91 is Rs. 200 lakhs to cover 20000 hectares. In addition, erial seeding is also (a) the number of the ex-servicemen being carried out under the Centrally Spon- working in the factory who are working on the sored Scheme of Ravine Reclamation of the same post on which they were recruited Ministry of Agriculture. about 10 years back; -_:- S \ Purchase of Fire Fighting Equlpments (b) whether the promotion rules in their by Defence Establishments respect have not been followed inspite of commitment made by Ordnance Factories 2947. SHRIM.V.CHANDRASHEKAAA Board, Calcutta; and MURTHY: Will the PRIME MINISTERbe pleased to refer to the reply given on 2 April, (c) if so, the facts and details of such ex- 1990 to the unstarred Question No. 3218 servicemen engaged in the factory on differ- regarding purchase of fire fighting equip- ent posts? ment and state: (a) whether the defence installations THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and establishments have not been using fire MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA protection doors and windows as approved RAMANNA): (a) Twentynine. by the Central Building "Research Institute, Roorkee in order to arrest recurrence of fire (b) The rules for promotion framed by incidents; the Central Government do not provide for any reservation for the Ex-servicemen in the (b) whehter such equipments are still matter of promotion from one grade to the not available in the country and Government next higher grade. have to import them from time to time; (cl it so, the facts and details thereof; (c) Does not arise in view of reply to (b) and above. 327 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 328 r, "2 "1 ) Island Development AuthorIty THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- 2949. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKATA: VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to MEHTA): (a) Yes, Sir. state: (b) The following factors are taken into (a) when the last Island Development consideration for updating the NCERT text- Authority was constituted; books: (b) whether the same was functioning i) Changes in factual information that under the Planning Commission; take place in the subjects or topics included in school syllabi. (c) whether this has been scrapped or reconstituted or Its reconstitution delayed for ii) New developments in certain disci- some unavoidable reasons; and plines necessitating changes in the contents of text books. (d) if so, details thereof? The text books published by the NCERT are updated everyyearbeforethey aretaken THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE up for reprinting. , \. .0; ~ 2, • ~ t:.'? v e. (, MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER -_ 1 '>. \ ''f -_ ,'.I -J OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- , Maintenance of Elephanta Caves GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) August, 1986. 2951. SHRI MANORANJAN -~-"' ..~ -<;-~. B_!::!AKAT~;.. (b) The Island Development authority is SHRI ER ANBARASU: serviced by the Planning Commission. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased (c) and (d). Proposals for making to state: changes in the organisational arrangements are under consideration. (a) whether the Elephanta Caves which date back to the 5th Century are in shambles for want of adequate maintenance; Updating of ~ Text Books 2950. ~H.l3LMp..N9RANJAN BHAK_ATA_: (b) if so, the reasons therefor; Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (c) the details of amount spent on maintenance of these caves; and (a) whether the National Council of (d) the amount spent annually in main- Educational Research and Training Text tenance of the caves as compared to the Books are Up-dated regularly; and money collected as entry fee to the caves? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) If so, the factors which are taken into MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- consideration for up-dating them and the VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI frequency for up-dating the books? MEHTA)' ~at;'Y~, Sir. ..v 329 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 330 (b) Does not arise. the conservation and maintenance of the Elephanta Caves vis a vis the money col- (c) and (d). The expenditure incurred on lected as entry fee to the caves is as under: Expenditure Entry Fee 1987-88 Rs. 1.60 lakhs Rs. 1,03,429.50 1988-89 Rs. 3.00 lakhs Rs. 1.28,122.00 1989-90 Rs. 1.72 lakhs Rs. 1,51,100.00 c! ; !- h;- . , r f ,- ~- ,~ A J-r: ( y ~ ... .._ ,f_ __ .... t",'*,,,,-,~\..._j..-. Meeting with Socia-Economic Profes- Organisations, sional Groups for Eighth Plan Panchayats, Corporations, 2952. SHRIMANORANJANBHAKATA: Consumer Groups Will the PRIME MINISTER-be pleased t~ state: 14.6.1990 Agriculture (a) whether the Planning Commission 15.6.1990 Industry & Trade has held any meeting in June, 1990 with various socio-economic and professional 16.6.1990 Economists & groups and voluntary organisations for the Social Scientists formulation of the Eighth Plan; and 21.6.1990 Khadi & Village (b) if so, the details thereof? Industries, Small Scale Industries, Powerlooms THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE & Coir. MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- 22.6.1990 Handlooms, GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI Handicrafts, BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) Yes, Sir. Sericulture (b) A statement giving details of the 23.6.1990 SC and ST meetings held with the various Socio-Eco- nomic and Professional Groups is given 25.6.1990 Environment below. 27.6.1990 Communications STATEMENT 28.6.1990 Science & Technology Details of the meetings held with the various Socio-Economic and Professional 29.6.1990 Health Groups 30.6.1990 Family Welfare Date Group 2.7.1990 Art & Culture and Youth 13.6.1990 Voluntary Affaris and Sports 331 Written AnswelS AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 332 3.1.1990 Education [EngHsh 'i~V 5.7.1990 Labour '\~ epresentatlon From BEL, Talola Save f Forum 6.7.1990 Water Resources " i 2954. eaoE. RAM GANESH KAPSE: 7.7.1990 Women's Development Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 1 state: 9.7.1990 HousinglUrbanisation \ \1 (a) whether the Bharat Electronic Um- ~ ited, Taloja Save Forum. Taloja (Maharash- [Translation) --rra}1las sent a representation to the Union ..... )', '\. Government on the 24 April, 1990 disap- 'I) Afforestation by Joint Sector proving JeT-NEG proposal to enter Into the field of B&W T.V. Glass-Shells; and 2953. SHRI SHANKERSINH VAGHELA: Will the Minister of ENVIRON- (b) if so, the action taken on this repre- MENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: sentation so far? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the reasons for not making available MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA forest areas for afforestation to joint sector or RAMANNA): (a) Yes, Sir. to Government companies and the reasons for which approval of the Union Government (b) The representation from the BEL is considered necessary for setting up of Taloja Save Forum, Taloja requested Gov- new plantations where the forest areas is not ernment not to approve any proposal from tn be utilised for forest purposes? MIs JeT Electronics Ltd and its Japanese partner MIs NEG to set up a unit for the production of B& W TV glass shells as this THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT would be against the Interests of Bharat AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI Electronics. It was further suggested that ROUTRAY): According to Forest (Conser- when such a proposal is received NEG may vation) Act, 1980 there is no restriction on be advised to have a joint venture with Bharat any authority, Corporation Agency or other Electronics for expansionlintroduction of organisation managed or controlled by the colour technology at the Taloja unit. Government to take up reafforestation on forest area. Approval of Central Government In the above context, it is clarified that so is considered necessary for setting up of far Government have not received any pro- new plantations where the forest area is not posal from JeT Electronics Ltd for foreign to be utilised for forest purpose because collaboration with NEG Japan for manufac- ;uch area is proposed to be reafforested ture of B& W TV glass shells. If such a pro- 3nd used for forestry purpose later on. Car- posal is received, it will be considered in ying on plantation like tea, coffee, rubber accordance with prescribed procedure. It is ~tc. would mean diversion of forest land for also mentioned that at present there is: no lon-forestry use for which permission of proposal to expand the capacity of BE's ~ntral Government is required under For- Taloja unit or to intorduce colour glass 1St (Conservation) Act, 1980. technology there. As such, the question of 333 WrittBn AnswelS BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Wrhten AnSwelS 334 setting up a joint venture by the company for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE this purpose with MIs NEG, Japan or any MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER other foreign collaborator does not arise. OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- ~'1, GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI Integrated'> Rural Energy Programme BHAGEY GOBAROHAN): (a) The Integrated Rural Energy Planning Programme has been extended to all States and Union Territories, 2955. SHRI O. AMAT: Will the PRIME except Chandigarh by the end of the 7th Five MINISTER be pleased to state: Year Plan. The Integrated Rural Energy Planning Programme involves preparation (a) the names of place£. in the country of block level Integrated Rural Energy plans which have been selected for Integrated and projects through which all types of en- Rural Energy Programme; ergy sources, conventional and non-con- ventional, are considered for meeting rural energy needs in the most cost effective (b) whether there is any plan to select manner. any district in Orissa and Bihar under this (b) and (c). By the end of the 7th Five programme; and Year Plan, 5 blocks in Orissa and 7 blocks in Bihar have been taken up under the IREP (c) if so, the details thereof? Programme. These are: Orissa Bihar 1. Kashipur 1. Ohanarua (Dt. Koraput) (Dt. Patna) 2. Bansapal 2. Namkum (Ot. Keonjhar) (Ot. RAnchi) 3. Jatni 3. Vijaypur (Ot. Puri) (Ot. Gopal Ganj) 4. Koksara 4. Bhawanipur (Dt. Kalahandi (Dt. Purnea) 5. Murada 5. Jagganathpur (Dt. Mayurbhanj) (Dt. Singhbhum) 6. Imamganj (Dt. Gaya) 7. Gopikandar (Dt. Dumka) Work on Drinking Water Quality by ITRC (a) whether work on drinking water quality is being carried out at the Indian 2956. SHRIMATI SUBHASHINI ALI: Toxicology Research Centre, lucknow for Will the PRiME MINiSTER~b~~Pieas~ the past several years and if so, the salient' state: feautres of observationsl assessment madEi 335 Written Answers AUGUST 271990 Written Answers 336 at GERU Directors Laboratories for Ganga (a) whether serious cases of theft and Action Plan and under technology mission; bungling in Central Ordnance Depot have come to light recently; (b) whether there is closed interaction amongst these units and if so, the details of (b) if so, the details thereof; and joint meetings held if any, indicating when this was last held; (cO the steps taken by Government in (c) whether the Director, Indian Toxicol- this connection and the measures being ogy Research Centre is also the Project adopted to avoid such incidents in future? Coordinator of this Project; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) whether the Director is also person- MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA ally incharge of any other Rand D Projects RAMANNA): (a) No, Sir. apart from his duties outside Lucknowand if so, details thereof? (b) and (c). Do not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [English] 1 ~ 0 MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- OGY (SHRI M.G.K. MENON): (a) ITRC as Environment Clearance to Power well as other laboratories of the CSIR carry Projects - out drinking water quality studies as a part of drinking water mission. A salient feature of 2959. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: Will the the observations made is that there is no Minister of ENviRONMENT AND FORESTS major problem of chemcial contamination of be pleased to state: water sources studied at GERU but data indicate bacteriological contamination in (a) the numbert of hydro and thermal several samples. power projects pending with Union Govern- (b) Yes, Sir; number of meetings have ment for clearance; been held amongst the concerned groups to monitor and coordinate the programme of (b) the names of these projects and the work. The last meeting in this regard took reasons for not clearing them; and place on 14.5.1990. (c) the steps taken to expedite clear- (c) For all multi-disciplinary studies! ance to these projects? programme undertaken in ITRC, including this project, Director, ITRC coordinates the activities for smooth and effective interac- THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT tion. AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). No hydel power (d) Director, ITRC is personally incharge project is pending for environmental clear- of R&D projects on preventive toxicology, ance. A list of eight thermal power projects immuno-biology and environmental microbi- awaiting environmental clearnace is given in ology. the statement below. [Trans/ation) y ~\(. 'f'{_J_ l,,\S '-.; Theft/Bungling Cases In C.O.Os. (c) A final decision in each of the cases 2957. S.HRI SHIBU SORE~: Will the where complete details have been furnished PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: is taken within a maximum period of 3 months. 337 Written Answers BHADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 338 (ij 0) c: Q) co x IE e l- n; C c::ns (i) 3: o a.. -0 (J) IF)ns III m C} 339 Writt." An.wets AUGUST 27 1990 'f1._~ D.A. to Staff af\cJ EXecutive. of Public DA Committee set up by the Government Sector enterprise. and any decision taken by the Govemment on the recommendations of this Committee 2960. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. would equally apply to the executives. --eHOSALE: SH~SHANKERSINH (d) The terms of reference of the -VA"GljEfA;,. Committee are as follows: SHRfpYAR.ELAL KHANDEL- i) To review the extant OA formula ;~~I CHENNUPATI applcable to employees in public --VIOYA~- 0.- sector enterprises governed under the industrial DA 1onnula. and to Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased recommend a sutiatble DA formula to state: for such employees in replacement of the present formula; (a) whether demand of executives and staff of Central Public Sector Enterprises for iI) in recommending such a OA for- payment of D.A. is pending with Govern- mula to keep in view the repercus- ment; sions on the resource position of the public sector, whether of the (b) if so, the details thereof; Central or of the State Govern- ments; on employees of the Cen- (c) whether some Tripartite D.A. Com- tral and State Governments; on mittee to resolve the issue has been set up; employees of undertakings or industrial establishments governed (d) if so, the terms of reference of this by other DA formula whether in Committee; public sector of the Central or State Governments or of the organised (e) whether any directives to this private sector; on unorganised Committee forfinalisation of its findings within industrial workers, and on agricul- sometime schedule have been given; and tural workers in rural areas; (f) if so, the details thereof and if not, the Iii) to examine whether the frequency reasons therefor? of revision of DA which is at present done quarterly, should bealte red , keeping in view administrative THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE convenience and simplification fo MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER record keeping. OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- GRAMME IMPLMENTATION (SHRI (e) and (f). The Tripartite DA Committee BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) to (c). The is to finalise its recommendations by 31 st executives of PSEs who are on the IDA August 1990. f\ \._\) :, f \... fi_ pattern are demanding DA on Central Gov- ~~--\ 0 l\..~ '-I2G~ ernmentlBanking Sector pattern. The re"pre- Recovery of Interim Relief Paid to sentatives of TI ade Unions on the Tripartite Workers DA Committee are demanding DA on slab basis. The Industrial Dearness Allowance 2961. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: Will the Formula ;s under consideration of Tripartite PRIME MINISTER be ple8S8d to itate: 341 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 342 (a) whether Government are aware of venting pollution of the waters thereof; the fact that in the long term wage settlement in many of the public undertakings like FACT, (b) the progress made so far in imple- Cochin, the interim relief paid to the work- mentation of each of the projects and by men for the calender year 1986 is being what time the same are likely to be com- recovered; pleted; and (b) if so, whetherthis decision is against (c) the expenditure so far incurred in the spirt of the agreement between the respect of each project, the original esti- Government and Central Trade Union when mated cost thereof and the likely cost of the decision was taken to give interim relief completion of each one of them? to workers; and THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT (c) if so, the action proposed to be taken AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI in the matter? ROUTRAY): (a) The State Government of Madhya Pradesh is implementing an action THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE plan for clearning the Narmada river. A total MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER amount of Rs. 401.60 lakhs has been sanc- OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- tioned for 52 schemes. GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) to (c). The (b) As on June, 1990, out of a total of 52 executives of PSEs on IDA pattern were schemes, 32 schemes have been completed, sanctioned interim relief from 1.1.86 on 14 schemes are in progress and the remain- account of delay in the revision of their pay ing 6 schemes are in the final stages of scales. As the unionised workers who are preparation. The works are targetted to be governed by separate wage settlements also completed by December, 1991. raised a demand for payment of interim relief, the managements of PSEs on IDA (c) The expenditure incurred upto June, pattern were authorised in September, 1987 1990 on these works is Rs. 250.26 lakhs. to sanction interim relief effective from 1.1.86. The likely cost of the schemes at the time of This was restricted to those enterprises where completion cannot be indicated atthis stage. existing wage agreements had already ..-; 'J ~ expired by 31.7.87. In the case of FACT, no Tribal encroachment on forest land in interim relief was admissible as their agree- Karnataka ment expired only on 31.12.87. The pay- ment made for 1986 and 1987 has been partly recovered while finalising the next 2963. SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJES- wage settlement. WARI:WilithePRiMEM1NTSiER'"be"pTe~ ry \ rosrate: ~hemes to Check Pollution of Waters of River Narmada (a) whether Karnataka Government has taken a number of measures to check 2962. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA: the encroachment by tribals on forest land in Will the Min-is-t-er-o":""f "'E"'N~V""'I""'R~O~N""='M~E:-:-NT---OO the State; FORESTS be pleased to state: (b) if so, what is the total encroachment (a) the details of the schemes drawn out made and how much land has been en- for cleansing of the Narmada river and pre- croached by the Tribals in Karnataka; "' 343 WrittenAnswers AUGUST 27 1990 WrittenAnsweQ 344 (c) the steps being taken to recover the Revision of Pay and Allowances of land from the tribals: and Central Public Undertakings (d) the steps taken to provide them with alternative land? 2965. SHRI SHANKERSINH VAGHELA: SHRI PYARELAL KHAN DEL. THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT WAL: AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI SHRI K.S. RAO: ROUTRAY): (a) to (d). Information is being • collected from the State Government and Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased will be laid on the Table of the House. to state: III-Etfects of Fu~alYi-i:U~.'Trees (a) whether Government have since 2964. SHRIMATI SUBHASHINI All: taken a final decision regarding the parame- Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND ters on the Basis of which revision of Scales FORESTS be pleased to state: of pay and allowances of the Executives of the Central Public Undertakings would be (a) whether there have been many evolved; widely varying results of Rand Dand inter- pretation for and against Eucalyptus; (b) if so, the details thereof; (c) whether. the decision would be (b) whether UP Forests Department 8ppllcable uniformly to all such executives Laboratories at Kanpur have found that water who are on industriaLDA pattern; anc consumed per unit of biomass produced was lower for Eucalyptus than for various (d) the time by which a final decision is other species of Forest trees; and likely to be taken in this regard? (c) whether the available data in India and abroad will be critically examined and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE clear directions issued to all concerned? MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO-' GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) to (c). Broad AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI parameters on the basis of whch scales of ROUTRAY): (a) to (c). Research and Devel- pay of the executives on IDA pattern could opment studies conducted in India show that be revised were notified on 4th April, 1990. while Eucalyptus consumes maximum wa- These parameters were related to the IDA ter on per seedling basis, it produces maxi- rates notified on the same date. Since the mum biornass per unit volume of watei. This Tripartite DA Committee has been revived finding has been corroborated by the sutdies these parameters have been kept in abey- conducted by Forest Research Laboratory, ance for the time being. The present term of Kanour under the UP Forest Department. All the Tripartite DA Committee is upto available studies on eucalyptus are critically 31.8.1990. Decision on the industrial DA examined and their findings giV8rJ wide would be applicable to all executives who pub'icity. are on lOA pattern. 345 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 346 Spoiling of Eco-System by Tourists in [Translation 1 Nationai Parks/Sanctuaries iliegal Felling of Kattha Producinq 29':;0. on. SL!f)t1iR RA'"l': \lJI;i the Trees in Hirnachal Prade sh t\Ainisier Clf ENV!RONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: 2967. SHRt R.N. RAKESH: SHRI fv1ANIKRAO HODLYA (a) whether 90 percent of the National GAVIT: Parks and 83 percent of the wHdlife sanctu- aries are officially cepn to tourists; Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: (b) whether tourist iflux in these Na- tional Parks and widlife sanctuaries is spoil- (a) whether maximum number of trees ing the natural eco-systems and seriously have been felled in Himachal Pradesh from disturbing the wildllfe; and which kattah. ::; iiictde; (c) if so, the measures contemplated by (b) if so, the total number of such trees the Government to prevent this? felled illegally during the last three years; THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT (c) whether huge quantity of kattha M~D FORESTS (SHRI NILAMAN! prepared from these illegaUyfe!led tress has HOUTRAY): (3) l',cC=or,jinQ to a stqtiJS report also been seized du':ng the lastthrcs rnon+c; er! ;'~Q:;ona~ f-~>:lfks and santuaries of the country prepared by !:-:dlanInstitute of Public (d) if so, the details thereof and month- Administrak)r1, Ne\\' Delhi, it is estimated wise quantity and value of kattha seized that only 90% ;:A national parks and 83% of during the last one year; v~:i!di1fe sanctuaries are otticially open to tourists. (e) the details of action taken against guilty persons? (b).,-",1? "d \'-'/.k-~;.!,~\ r:Xf(\",~ __r t ..•.•••:"t'-' ~•. intlux,I 11..e ,_, c~visito! .••.Jll~..Iv:·lr'" : ,', the ~'Jationa! Parks and Sar-ctuarles tEnds \0 THE MINISTER OF ENVRiONMENT disturb ihe natura; sec-system ar.d the wild- AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI Hfe:, The State Covernr,'1(>.r;\s ,.,,,hl) ':HP rl>· qOUT~,~,Y): (3) and (b). Government d spor.s.bie for the r'1(3.nag~r,·~ent()i ins Na- Himachal Pradesh have reported that no ticnal Parks and Sanctuaries take steps to lai'ge seals illicit felling of kattha trees has c!nsure that the mllow of tourists does not taken place in the State during last three have an adverse effect on the habitat and years. also does not disturb wildlife particularly in the cere areas. The Government 'of India (c) to (e). Information is being collected have issued guidelines in this b:,~ha;fwhich and will be laid on the Table of the House. inC1UdG t<1kina n10osur8S to res~rk:~!tourist activities in the core areas of the National Second Unit of Narora Atomic Power Parks and Sanctuaries, limiting lhe number Project ui tourist vehicles which are allowed to enter UiQ protected areas, prescribing routes that 2968. SHR! R.N. RAKESH: 10[1r:st \:'f::hic;c:s v/ill !:~k1;.~~keep1ng th(~ Na- SHRI MANJA! LAL: tiOill.-J f-)(1d (b) whether the unit IS to be completed 2969 SHRI R N RAKESH by the targetted date, SHRI MANJAI LAL Will the pRIME MINISTER be pleased (c) If not, the reasons for the delay, to state (d) the revised date for ItS completion, (a) whether attention of Government and has been drawn to the news-Item captioned 'Deihl Prashasan ne char hazarchhatron ko (e) the cost over-run on account of the sadak per la d,a' appearing In "Jansatta" delay? dated 2 August, 1990 wherein It has been stated that the students who passed 10 plus 2 examination In vocational courses have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE bean denied admissions by the Deihl Uni- MINISTRY OF SCEINCE AND TECHNOL- versity, OGY (PROF M G K MENON) (a) to (d) (b) If so. the details thereof, and The earlier target date of August 1990 for achieving Criticality of the second unit of (c) the measures Government propose Narora AtomiC Power Project has been to take to remvoe the hurdles In the way shifted to December, 1990 All efforts are giVing admissions to these students? being made to achieve the reVised schedule and commence commercial power genera- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tion In a penod of 6 months thereafter MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA) (a) to (c) No. Sir According tothe (e) The reVised cost estimates for the Information furnished b;, Deihl University, two units of Narora AtomiC Power Project students who have passed Senior School prepared In 1986 of Rs 532 85 crores will Cprtlflcate Examination from the Central further Increase oWing to various factors Board of Secondary Education (CSSE). Including shift In schedule This IS under Deihl, With vocatlonaln-echnlcal Stream are assessment eligible for admission as follows SI No Vocational Group Eltglbtflty for the Courses of Studies 2 3 Commerce and BUSiness B A (VocatlOnal)/8 Com (P)/B Com (Hans) 2 Home SCience B Sc (Home SCience) 3 Miscellaneous Group BA (Tourism & Photography) (Vocational) These students are also eligible for admiSSion to B A (pass) Course The ehgi- 349 Written Answers BHADRA 5.1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 350 bility for admission to these courses is the sought to be achieved by the following ways; same as general eligibility criteria for all other Courses except that at least 60% marks i) Making available to all the schools will be required for being eligible for B. Com a broadly uniform pattern of syllabi/ (Hans.) Course. textbooks designed on the basis of National Curr1cular Framework for pro~~~f Neighbourhood Schools elementary. secondary and higher secondary education brought out 2970. SHRI R.N. RAKESH: by the NeE R T. SHRI MANJAI LAL: SJ:!B.L._ ~ SHANT ARAM ii) Requiring all the schools sending POTDUKHE: - their students for Board Examina- SHRIMATI'GEE-fA MUKHER- tions to be affiliated to the con- --JEE: cerned State Board. the eBSE or the Council for the Indian School Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased Certificate Examinations, as the to state: case may be and thereby to follow the syllabi/textbooks prescribed by (a) whether any steps have been taken the respective Board designed on by Government for introd ucing the system of the basis of the National Curricular allowing admission in nearestschoolto bridge Framework. the present gap in education system and to raise the level of education; iii) Improving the physical facilities and other educational inputs in schools (b) if so. the details thereof; and through a number of Central spon- sored Scheme and programmes. (c) if not, the reasons for not taking any concrete steps in this regard so iar? (c) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [English] MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- ~ )"0 VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI Reduction in 'No Construction Zone' MEHTA): (a) and (b). The Education Com- Limit mission (1964-66) and the National Policy on Education (1986) have recommended 2971. SHRI RAM NAIK: Will the Minis- that measures should be taken in the direc- ter of ENV~ME'NT'f:.l:mroRESTS be tion of the Common School System. The pleased to state: Neighbourhood School Concept is one of the steps towards realisation of this goal. (a) whether Government have decided Present Government's attitude is very posi- to reduce the present "No Construction Zone" tive on this vital point. The Government limit of 500 metres to 200 metres from the would like to bring the existing schools. as high tide line; early as possible, under the Neighbourhood School Concept with a view to effecting (b) if so. the reasons for fixing the egalitarianism in School education. previous limit of 500 metres from the high tide line; and Maintenance of a broad commonality in good standards in the schools has been (c) the reasons for the reduction to the 351 WrittcJn Answ915 AUGUST 27 1 ggo Written AM..,. 352 present limit of 200 metres? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT RAMANNA): (a) Yes, Sir. Projects have AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI been sanctioned for expansion of the pro- ROUTRAY): (a) Yes, Sir. It has been de- duction capacity of three out of the four cided to permit construction of beach resorts factories under reference during the last 3 within 500 metres but beyond 200 metres years. Details are given in Para-I of the from the High Tide Line (HTL). Annexure. In addition, ilsum of Rs. 18.56 Cr. has been spent on the modernisation of (b) To prevent degradation and misutili- these four factories during the last three sation of beaches, the coastal States and years. Union Territories were advised to ensure that construction and such other polluting (b) Ordance Factories, have to procure activities are not permitted within 500 metres from the trade including private manufactur- from the High Tide Line. ers, components for which there are no in- house capacities. (c) Construction of beach resorts within 500 metres but beyond 200 metres from the (c) The annual allocation for moderni- HTL was earlier allowed only in case of four sation/expansion of the above four factories areas namely, Puri-KQnar1<, Goa, Madras- during the last three years is given in Para- Mahabalipuram and Trivandrum. It was felt II of the Statement given below: that similar dispensation should be given to other areas subject to compliance with the STATEMENT environmental guidelines laid down for this Para-I (relating t part (a) of the Question) '1" I" " I" ,. y}r._ K \"-L Expansion/Modernisation of High Explosives Factories (i) HIGH EXPLOSIVE FACTORY, PUNE 2972. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- CHANDRAN: Will the PRIME MINISTER be A project costing Rs. 1.44 cr. sanc- pj9aSecftOs'tate: tioned to undertake manufacture of certain types of propellant. (a) whether any measures have been taken for expans~on/modernisation of the (i) (ii) AMMUNITION FACTORY (ORD- High Explosives Factory at Pune (ii) Cordite NANCE FACTORY AMBAJHARI) Factory at Aruv~kadu and (iii) Ammunition NAGPUR Factory at Nagpur and Ambarnath during the last three years; Four projects sanctioned at a cost of Rs. 8.46 cr. for manufacture of (b) whether Government have permit- various Ammunition hardwares t~d private manufac~re of components required by these factol1es, if so, the details (iii) AMMUNITION FACTORY (ORD- thereof; and NANCE FACTORy) AMBARNATH (c) the annual allocation for improve- One project sanctioned at a cost of ment of these factories during the last three Rs. 32.16 Cr. to augment Brass years? Melting and Strip making capacity. 353 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written AnS"'1S 354 co o C") en ci ci .....l() .....l() co ...... - o ci N enC\I ci ,....o N orE- ~ :l LL'i cOJ~ c .- CIS ~ > ~ 2 0< - 355 W(/tt~n Answ..frs,,, '\ _ AU~UST 27 1990 Written AnswelS 356 ~ , ( _,-;-r ..J j ,'-.I, ( ,. J I ) Protection of Coastal Borders (a) whether Union Government had prOVided T V sets to the Government of 2973 SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- Uttar Pradesh for pnmary and middle schools CHANDRAN -W~iithe PRIME MINISTER be dUring 1987-88 and 1988-89, prea5edto state (b) If so, the details of the scheme, (a) whether the coastal States have sought the help of Defence personnel to better protect the coastal borders In Soutn (c) wrether financial assistance was India, If so, the details thereof, prOVided to such s~hools to purchase an- tenna for the TVs, (b) whether any measures have been taken to expose Tamil Militant Camps of Sri (d) whether the schools concerned Lankans In Tamil Nadu or elsewhere, and have since acquired antenna With the amount given, If not, the action taken In the matter, (c) If so, the details thereof? and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (e) whether any enqUiry has been made MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR RAJA to find out the actual use of TVs In these RAMANNA) (a) On a proposal made by the schools and If so, the outcome t,lereof? Government of Tamil Nadu the Central Government have approved the setting up of Naval Detachments at POint Callmere and THE MINISTER OF STATE I"J THE Rameshwaram Patrolling and Surveillance MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- of the Indo-Snlankan International Boul1d- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI ary Line have also been intensified by the MEHTA) (a) to (c) Under the Educational Indian Navy and Coast Guard. Technology programme, funds are prOVided for purchase of colour TV sets which Include (b) and (c) The Tamil Nadu Govern- the antenna, to those States where ETV ment have been Informed of the Govern- Programmes are being transmitted 75% of ment of India's poliCY not to allow Tamil the cost IS borne by the Central Government militants or any other group to operate from and 25% of the cost by the State Govern- the Indian SOil The State Government have ment An amount of Rs 53,47,350/- being confirmed that there IS no Sri Lankan militant 75% of the cost of 1 ,020 colourTV sets at the Camp In Tamil Nadu and that they are firm In rate of Rs 6,990/- per set was released to not allOWing any Sri Lankan Tamil Organisa- the Sate Government of Uttar Pradesh dur- tion to run any training Camp In the State Ing1988-89 Another sum ot Rs 8,95,050/- The Central Government have extended being the difference of amount due to esca- assistance to the State Government by lation In the cost of colour TV sets was deputing contingents of CRPF and prOViding released to the State Government dUring modern arms to the State Polrce 1989-90 Thus, a total amount of Rs 62,42,400/- for purchase of 1,020 colour TV [Trans/atlOn } sets at the rate of 75% of Rs 8.160/- per set SS was released to the State Government of T.V. Sets to Uttar Pradesh Schools Uttar Pradesh 2974 SHRI KALPNATH SONKAR Will (a) to (e) Information IS being collected the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state and Will be laid on the table of the House 357 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Wntten Answers 358 [English] (d) In view of reply to para (c) the ~Sf question does anse Alleged Fraud In National Sports Lottery of SNIPES (e) Sports AuthOrity of India has filed a CIVil SUIt In the Deihl High Court agamst the 2975 SHRIKALPNATHSONKAR·WIII Organising Agent of the Lottery for recovery the PRIME MINISTER be pleased ;;-;tate of funds allegedrng mis-appropriated by the Agent ThiS matter IS sub-Judice. (a) whether around April, 1988 a case ~ ';-1~ of fraud took place In the National Sports Sick Public Sector Undertakings Lottery of the Society for the National Insti- tutes of Physical Education and Sports 2976 SHRI BANV. AF LAL PUROHIT· (SN IPES) and was referred to CBI, Will the PRIME MINISTE= { be pleasedto state· (b) If so, whether any enquiry had been conducted, (a) whether the Burl au of Public Enter- prises (BPE) has recer Iy taken a deCISion (c) If so, the outcome thereof including that Sick Public Sector Jndertakrngs will be rames of persons Involved therein, looked after by the administrative MIniStry, (d) whether any criminal proceedings (b) If so, the details of the various Sick have been instituted, and publiC sector under'aklngs, and (e) the other action taken In the matter? (c) whether the Bureau of Public Enter- prises also proposes to suggest measures THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to Improve their effiCiency and to make them MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- profitable and If so, the details thereof? VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA) (a) and (b) A request was re- THE MINISTER O~ STATE IN THE ceived In August, 1987 urging an enquiry MINISTRYOF PLANNING AND MINISTER Into the funds of National Sports Lottery and OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- the Society for the National Institutes to GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION ~SHRI PhYSical Education and Sports (SNIPES) BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) and (b) All the The CBI conducted dlscrept verification Central PSEs Including the chrOniC regarding thiS allegation loss-making enterprises are berng looked after only by their administrative Mlnlster/ (c) The CBI was of the view that while Department favours \lVere shown by SNIPES to the Or- gar ISing Agents of the Lottery, no offence of (C) ImprOVing effiCiency and profitability criminal misconduct under the Prevention of In the Central Public Sector Enterprises IS a Carr uptlon Act (PC Act), 1947 could be continuous process In th,s regard vanous made out aganlst the office bearers and the steps such as change In product-mix, tech- employees of SNIPES, as they could not be nology upgradatlon, Improved management treute(j as publiC servants" prior to Septem- practIces, energy conservation, modernisa- bpr () 1988 on which date the new Preven- tion and rehabilitation, organisational restruc- tion of Corn.. ptlon ACt came Into effect The tUring etc are taken A new concept of n'atter IS ul~der futher examination In consul- Memorancrum of Understanding (MOU) has tation v;lth Ministry of Law and Justice been Introduced which clarifies the mutual AUGUST 27 1990 obligations of the Public Sector Enterprises the voluntary agencieslNon Gov- and the admlinistrative Ministries in achiev- ernment Organisation. ing improved performance. (\.. ~-)\~ (iii) The beneficiaries should be en- Regeneration of Degraded Forest Land titled to a share in u~ufructs like grasses, lops and tops and 2977. SHRIMATI BASAVABAJESH-- branches and m inor forest produce. -WARI: If they successfully protect the for- SHAl fiAB$ING BAO SURVA- ests they should be given a share --~WANSHI: out of sale proceeds of the trees on _- maturity. Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: (iv) The selection of beneficiaries should be done in such a way that (a) whether Union Government have anyone who has a claim to any issued guidelines to the State Governments forest produce from the selected for involvement of village communities and site is not left out without being voluntary agencies for regeneration of de- given full opportunity of joining. graded forest lands; (v) Selected sites should be worked in (b) if so, the main details of the guide- accordance with a working scheme Hnesissued;and duly approved by the State Gov- ernment. (c) the progress made by the respective States so far in this regard? (vi) For raising nurseries, preparing land for planting and protection THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT thereof, the beneficiaries should AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI get wages from the Forest Depart- ROUTRAV): (a) The Central Government ment. have issued guidelines to the State Govern- ments for involvement of village communi- (viii) No agriculture should be permitted ties and voluntary agencies for regeneration on the forest land. of degraded forest lands; (c) The guidelines were issued in June, (b) The salient features of the guide- 1990. It is too early to assess the impact of lines are as under: the programme. ..- C (j.. '_-, A : OV" ~/O .1- -v"'.~ ~ execution of Hydel Projects (i) The programme should be imple- mented on degraded forest land 2978. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES- under an arrangement between the ~: Will the""'Minister of ENVIRONMENT voluntary agencies/Non Govern- AND FORESTS be pleased to state: ment Organisation, village commu- nities (beneficiaries) and the State (a) whether Union Government have Forest Department. underlined the need for taking up such hydel projects for execution by the Central and (ii) No ownership or lease rights should State Governments which involve minimum be given to the beneficiaries or to displacement of people and submergence of 361 Written AnswelS BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 362 agriculture and forest land; (b) The main subjects discussed were forest conservation and protection, social (b) if so, the steps being taken in this forestry, wastelands development, the role regard; of minorforest produce in tribal development and micro-planning. (c) whether Union Government have taken final decision in regard to the contro- versial projects of this nature in the States of (c) No dicisions were taken in the work- Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh; and shop. However, based on the discussions held, the workshop recommended the vil- (d) if not, by what time a final decision lage level committees should be constituted in this regard is likely to be reached? for protecting the forests and that all possible measures should be taken to preserve the THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT existing flora and fauna. The workshop also AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI recommended that development pro- ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). The need for mini- grammes should be drawn up on the basis of mising submergence of agriculture and for- local needs, identification of wastelands and est land and displacement of people is provision of appropriate technological and emphasised in the guidelines as well as credit support. The significant role of minor during detailed discussions with the project forest produce in promoting cottage indus- authorities. tries and generating employment was also identiffied. (c) and (d). No hydel power project from the States of Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat is s6~ awaiting environ mental or forestry clearance. Foreign Exchange In VCRslVCPs '1(\ ------Workshop on Social Forestry. Jaipur 2980. SJjRI BABANRAO DHAKNE: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleasedlO~ 2979. SHRIMATI BASAVARJAES- state: WARI: Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: (a) the total amount of foreign ex- change involved in manufacturing VCRs and (a) whether a three-day national work- VCPs during the last three years; and shop on social Forestry was recently held in Jaipur; (b) the total number of VCRsNCPs manufactured during this period? (b) if so, the main subjects discussed; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the decision arrived at? MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- OGY (SHRI M.G.K. MENON): (a) and (b). THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT The total number of VCRsNCPs manufac- AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI tured in the country during the last three ROUTAA Y): (a) The Forest Department of years, (1987-89) is estimated to be about Rajasthan organised a workshop on Social 1.42 lakh numbers. The foreign exchange Forestry for Environmental Conservation at outgo for its manufacture is estimated to the Jaipur from 5th to 7th June, 1990. As. 40 crores. 363 Wrttten Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 364 [ Translation] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- Facilities for Women's Education VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA) (a) A Statement showing 8tate- 2981 SHRIGULABCHANDKATARIA Wise, the Women Literacy Rates according Will the PRlMEMiNISTER be p~;~~d to to 1981 census IS given below state (a) the percentage of female literacy In (b) The University Grants Commission Rajasthan vis-a-vIs other States, provides grants 10r construction of Hostels In Women's Colleges, which are eligible under (b) whether Unton Government pro- Section 12 (b) of the UGC Act to receive pose to provide facility of hostels In women's central assistance, as a part of Plan Devel- colleges In Rajasthan, and opment Scheme dUring any plan penod This scheme covers eligible colleges through- (c) whether Union Government also out the country The amount of grants ap- propose to provide financial assistance for proved as UGC share for construction 01 the construction of hostels for 100 students Hostels In Women's Colleges In Rajashthan In each college? dUring the 7th Plan period IS as under' SI No Nome of the College VGC Share 2 3 Sri Satya Sal College for Women, Jalpur 1,60,000 2 M S College, Blkaner 1,80,976 3 Gandhi Sheksha Mahavldyalaya, Gulabpura 70,000 4 Smt Indra Manl Maudella Grahvlgyan Shekha Nlket, Pilanl 80,000 5 G D Government College for Women, Alwar 2,11,000 (c) There IS no proposal to prOVide such ceiling of grant due to a College, whlc.h IS kind of financial assistance However, the determined on the baslsof students' strength University Grants Commission has decided and other parameters, Irke enrolment of SCI to prOVide grants for construction of women's ST, Women candidates etc, can be utilIsed hostels on 100% baSIS dunng the 8th Plan for construction of bUildings including hos- compared to a matching baSIS of 75% by the tels It IS for the college to formulate a pro- University Grants Commission and 25% from posal for various buildings Inc!udlr'lg hostels the Colleges' own resources, which was In and Its plinth area for which they want grant practice during the earlier Plan ThiS IS sub- under the Development Scheme of the Uni- ject to the condition that 40% of the approved versity Grants CommiSSion STATEMENT SI No State,Vmon Territory Percentage of Female Literates 2 3 India 24.82 365 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 366 51. No. State/Union Territory Percentage of Female Literates 1 2 3 1. Andhra Pradesh 20.39 2. Assam N.A. 3. Bihar 13.62 4. Gujarat 32.30 5. Haryana 22.27 6. Himachal Pradesh 31.30 7. Jammu & Kashmir 15.88 8. Karnataka 27.71 9. Kerala 65.73 10. Madhya Pradesh 15.53 11. Maharashtra 34.79 12. Manipur 29.06 13. Meghalaya 30.08 14. Orissa 21.12 15. Punjab 33.69 16. Rajasthan 11.42 17. Sikkim 22.20 18. Tamil Nadu 34.99 19. Tripura 32.00 20. Uttar Pradesh 14.04 21. West Bengal 30.25 22. Nagaland 33.89 367 Written Answers AUGUST 271990 Written AnsW91S 368 51. No. State/Union Terr/tory Percentage of Female Uteratss 2 3 Union Territories 1. A & N Islands 42.14 2. Arunachal Pradesh 11.32 3. Chandigarh 59.31 4. D & N Haveli 16.78 5. Delhi 53.07 6. Goa, Daman & Diu 47.56 7. Lakshadweep 44.65 8 Mizoram 54.91 9. Pondicherry 45.71 Note: Percentage of Female literates for Assam is not available as 1981 Census could not be held owing to disturbed conditions prevailing there then. '16'1~ Development of Ecelogy In Aravalis (d) if so, the details thereof? 2982. SHRI GULAS CHANQJ:SaT.&UA: THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI FORESTS be pleased to state: ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). Depletion of forest and vegetation has caused environmental (a) whether envrironment in Aravali degradation in the Aravallis. Various Cen· mountain range has become polluted due to trally sponsored and State Plan Schemes, fast depletion of vegetation and if so, the inlcuding externally aided Social Forestry corrective action proposedltaken in this Projects, have been taken up by way of regard and the amount allotted in the Eighth corrective meaSUies more specially for re· Five Year Plan for this purpose; forestation in the region. An EEC aided Project for rehabilitation of the common lands (b) whether Government also propose in the Arvalli Hills has been started this year to launch a special drive for reforestation in in Haryana. The Projects for Rajasthan have the entire Aravali ragion; been posed for external aid. The Eighth Plan outlay has not been finalised. (c) if so, whether Government propose to seek the cooperation of tribals residing (c) and (d). The Central Government there in planting trees and protectio'1 thereof; has decided in principle to implement a and schema involving local tribal people and 369 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 370 rural poor on community basis for regenera- spent on the project during 1990-91. tion of degraded forests with the following objectives: (b) and (c). A Governing Council under the chairmanship of the District Collector. (i) To improve forest based biomass Dungarpur, who is also the Chairman of the resource in degraded forest lands District Rural Development Agency, has been and to manage it on a sustained constituted. The Governing Council inlcu- basis for the domestic needs of the des as members all concerned district level identified communities. officers as well as the concerned members of the Legislative Assembly, the Zila Pra- (ii) To provide gainful employment to mukh, all Pradhans and representatives of a tribal communities and rural poor. few non-government organisations working in Dungarpur district. The function of the (iii) To provide a sustainable economic Governing Council is to supervise and base to tribals and other rural poors monitor the implementation of the project. in the vicinity of their habitation. [English J No forest land is proposed to be leased ~! ;) to these inhabitants for this purpose; how- A Fully Literate District Scheme ever the comm unities would be benefitted in the form of the usufruct sharing of the pro- 2984. SHRI H.C. SRIKANTAIAH: Will duce. the PRIME MINis' EA be pleased to state: ,-, "': district and make it U a fully literate district" 2983. SHRIGULABCHAND KATARIA: during 1990; Will the Mi;J;;-(of ENVIRONMENT'"AND FORESTS be pleased to state: (b) if so, how many States have se- lected one district under the above scheme; (a) whether Government have intro- duced any scheme for forest development in - (c) the district selected by the Karna- Dungarpur (Rajasthan) and if so, the amount taka Government for developing it as a fully likely to be spent thereon; literate district during 1990; and (b) whether Government propose to (d) the amount of central assistance constitute a committee to ensure the proper provided to Karnataka State for the above benefit of the Waste Land. Development purpose? Scheme; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) ifso,bywhenandthedetailsthereof? MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT MEHTA): (a) to (d). Following discussions AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI held by the Deputy Chairman of the Planning AOUTRAY): (a) For intergated wastelands Commission with the Chief Ministers at the development a project has been sanctioned time of annual Plan discussion, the Secre- for Dungarpur District and a sum of Rs. tary. Planning Commission had written to 78.27 lakhs has been sanctioned for being the Chief Secretaries of all the States and 371 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 372 Union Temtorles, suggesting that each of requested in Education Ministers of all Statel them may select ene district In the year UTs to take necessary steps to achieve 1990-91 for achievement of complete liter- complete eradication of illiteracy in respect acy especially In the age-group 15-35. of at least one district in the Statel UTs during 1990-91. In response to this, some 2 The Minister of State in the Ministry of States/UTs have identified the following Human Resource Development has also dlstncts:- State District I) Andhra Pradesh Hyderabad, Chittoor and West Godawari II) GUjarat Bhavanagar III) Haryana Yamuna Nagar IV) Maharashtra Wardha v) Nagaland Whokha VI) West Bengal Mldnapur VII) Chandlgarh U T Chandlgarh VIII) Lakshdweep U.T. Kalpenl isiand 3. The Central Government has already Bengal, as well as in the UTs of Pondicherry extend end support In respect of the total and Goa. Literacy Programmes In the entire State of 4. The folliwing Central assistance has Kerala, the Districts, of BiJapur and Dakshin been approved in respect of the two district Kannada in Karnataka, Midnapur in West of Karnataka:- District in Karnataka Approved Central assistance First instalment sanctioned (Rupees in I:lkhs) (Rupees in lakhs) Bijapur 300.40 225.00 Dakshin Kannada 200.00 200.00 :-)\ • Preservation of Veeranarayana Temple, Veeranarayana Temple in Belawadi, Belawadi (Karnataka) Chickkamagalur District in Karnataka is not being properly preserved by Archaeological 2985. SHRI H.C. SRIKANTAIAH: Will Survey of India; the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (a) whether Government are aware that (b) if so, the reasons thereof; and 373 Written Answers BJ.lADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 374 (c) whether Government propose to lore as are folows: declare it as a historical monument and improve the temple for tourist attraction? i) Faculty Member 48 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ii) Non-Teaching Staff: 397 MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAi Total 445 MEHTA): (a) to (c). The Veeranarayana Temple in Belawadi, District Chikkamagalur (b) According to the information re- of Karnataka, which is protected by the ceived from the Indian Institute of Manage- Archaeological Survey of India as a monu- ment, Bangalore. from among the 445 ment of national importance is in.a good employees, 15 faculty and 339 non-teaching state of preservation. staff belong to Karnataka State. Some conservation works and develop- (c) Faculty positions in this Institution ment of the premises of this monument are are filled up on All-India basis through open already included in the conservation pro- advertisement. Recruitmentto non-teaching gramme of the_curren~ financial year. ~ position are made in four groups. In respect ., 7 ~ : "c4~ ,l..t-;-t.~ cf r",CI~e\'foo of position under Groups A & S, they are ?) I.I.M. Bangalore " filled upthrough promotion/deputation/open advertisements. With regard to positions 2986. SHRI H C. SR!KA_NTAIAIj: Will under Groups C & D, they are filled through the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: the local Employment Exchange. (a) the total number of employees. both (d) Although the Recruitment Rules of tijaching and non-teaching. in all categories this All India Institute do not give preference working in I.I.M., Bangalore; to Kannadigas. it is observed that 80% (approximately) of the employees in this (b) out of which. how many of them are Institute hail from Karnataka State. Kannadigas; (e) In view of (d) above, the Govern- (c) method of selections to the various ment do not consider it necessary to give any posts; perferential directive. . (/ ~ FcV4..,-Ljt' V\·~ \..~ ~ (d) whether Kannadigas are being given ; Visit of Armed Forces Team to China preference in appointments in the above Institute; and 2987. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: -Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (e) if not, whether Government propose to ask the Insitute to give preference to (a) whether a high level Armed Forces Kannadigas in making recruitments to I.I.M. team has recently visited China; and Bangalore? (b) whether a similar visit from China is THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to take place? MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MEHTA): (a) The number of employees of MINISTER OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA the Indian Institute of Management, Banga- RAMANNA): (a) and (b). A group of Armed 375 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 376 Forces and Civilian Officers, undergoing (b) whether any R&D work is undertak- training at the National Defence College, ing on the above subjects in India and if so, including Faculty Members, visited China in the details thereof; June 1990 on a study tour. During this visit, an invitation as extended to the Chinese (c) whether Government are aware of National Defence University for a reciprocal import or manufacture of mythyl chloroform visit to India. in India; and ,_'" ~-" 'Centre for Marine Pollutin Monitoring (d) if so, the details of quantity used, name of manufacturers and uses? 2988. PROF. KV. THOMAS: Will the Ministerof ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT be pleased to state: AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether Government propose to start, a Centre for Marine Pollution Monitor- (b) Scientific research is undertaken in ing in Kerala; and India on the depletion of ozone layer by the laboratories of the Council of Scientific and (b) if so, its location, functions, budget Industrial Research and the India Meteoro- and such other details? logical Department. THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT (c) Yes, Sir. AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) Under the Environmental (d) The current use of mythy I chloro- monitoring and modelling programme, the form in India is approximately 1000 metric Department of Ocean Development has tonnes per annum. This is used as vapour established two units in Kerala, one at the degreasing agent in automobile, electronic Regional Office of the National Institute of and engineering industries. The only manu- Oceanography, Cochin and the other at the facturer of mythl chloroform in India is Mis Centre for Earth Science Studies, Trivan- Standard Alkalies Ltd., with licensed capac- drum, to carry out pollution monitoring stud- ity of 3000 tonnes per annum. ies along the Kerala Coast There is no proposal to start another centre. [ Translation] 0".... ~ r U" ,(? ~ (b) Does not arise. ')76 Tree Plantation 2990. SHRI RAMESHWAR PATIDAR: Compounds Threatening Ozone Layer Will the Minister of ENViRONMENT AND -~~ FORESTS be pleased to state: 2989. §.HBIMATI SIIBHASHINJ ALI: Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND (a) whether any scheme, as a national FORESTS be pleased to state: programmefor improvement in environment, is under consideration of Government for (a) whether Government are aware of tree plantation and their protection thereaf- the findings of US Environmental Protection ter for five years on unused land of farmers Agency about two dangerous compounds at Government expense as is done in the which threaten ozone layer as reported in case of Government land and road sides; the Indian Express of 4 July, 1990; and 377 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 {SAKA} Written Answers 378 (b) the time by which this scheme is lines are already available detailing the norms proposed to be implemented? and parameters reqquired for the formula- tion of environmental management plan for THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT coal projects. These guidelines have been AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI widely circulated among the concerned ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). The farm forestry development agencies. Full support was Programme is already under implementa- extended to the engineers of Coal India tion in all the States. Under this programme Limited to prepare two model environmental the i:1dividual farmers are assisted for rais- managem ent plans in 1987 so as to cfacili- ing seedlings and nurseries and for tree tate formulation and implementation of re- planting on their own lands. The farmers are quisite action plans for similar other projects. also provided seedlings free or at subsidised rates and given technical advice as well as (c) and (d). Does not arise training for raising seedlings and nurseries. The National Bank for Agriculture and Rural [Translation] Development (NABARD) provides refinance -; I ~ facility to the Banks for extending loans at Women's College Under Delhi Univar- concessional rates to the farmers undertak- --- -sity - ing the farm forestry activities. 2992. P...8.Q.E_ MAHADEO [English] __ . '"\ _. SHIWANKAR:--'---'''''~ - " I ) SHR'-SRIKANTHA DATTA Guidelines for Environmental Manage- ~ ~ARASIMHARAJA ment Plan for Coal Projects" WADIYAR: -' > SHRI JANARDAN TIWARI: 2991. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: Will the Mi~f ENVIRONMENT AND Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased FORESTS be pleased to state: to state: (a) whether Environmental Appraisal (a) the number of women's colleges Committee (EAC) have laid down clear-cut under University of Delhi and the number of norms and parameters for the environment those having hostel facility; management plan for coal project; (b) the number of girl students who had (b) if so, the details thereof; registrred their names for the allotment of hoste accomodation in such colleges this (c) if not, the reasons therefore and year; and the number of students who ha.ve whether this has resulted in considerable been allotted hostel accommodation; and delay in EAC clearing up coal projects and these are being held up by it for long periods; (c) the scheme of Government to meet and the demand for hostel accommC"dation by girl students? (d) what steps are being taken to rectify this situation without any futher delay? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI MEHTA): (a) There are 20 Women's Col- ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. Guide- leges, including professional colleges, un- 379 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 der Delhi University and seven of them have (a) whether some requests have been hostel facilities. received ior setting up of a university in the memory of Dr. B.A. Ambedkar; (b) The information is being collected and would be laid on the Table of the Sabha. (d) if so, the details there; and (c) The Univesity Grants Commission (c) the action taken by Government has decided to provide 100% assistance for thereon? the construction of women's hostels in Col- leges subject to prescribed ceiling and over- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE all availability of funds during the VIII Plan. MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- ( VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI [English] \ \. ft. • (r~U Ii 1(' 'fl.... MEHTA): (a) to (c). There is no proposal /"J.. 'f''\.' ~'"\6.- J I , 1'\ ' v " .." under consideration of Government to es- Anomalies in pay scales of K.V. tablish a Central University in the memory of Teachers Dr. B.A. Ambedkar. As a matter of policy, Central Government is not in favour of estab- 2993. SHRI SHANTILAL PURUSHOT- lishing new Central Universities. TAMDAS PATEL: Will the PRIME MINIS- Ttri"bepiea;~to state: The Government of Uttar Pradesh has established the "Uttar Pradesh Dr. Bhimrao (a) whether anomalies have arisen Ambedkar University" through an Act of the during implementation of pay scales for State Legislature. Lucknow Development Kendnya Vidyalaya teachers as announced Authority have allocated 244.28 acres of on 12.8.87; if so, details thereof; land for setting up the University. The State Government has also made a provision of (b) whether these have since been Rs. 5 crores for the University during the removed; current financial year. Tenders for construc- tion of the building are reported to have been (c) if so, the details thereof; and invited. The State Government has esti- mated cost of setting up the University as Rs. (d) if not, the reasons therefor? 100 crores. , >. .t.. '~ .... ~ ""~? ;~, \ \ •. \....~ ~ J---Y THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~~:)- I""'" - MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- /' Standards for emissions fixed for VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI Automobiles MEHTA): (a) to (d). Information is being collectl::ld and will be placed on the Table of the House. 2995. PROF. P.J. KUBIE.tJ: Will the ~ Ministerof ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS Setting up of a University in Memory of be pleased to state: Dr. Ambedkar (a) whether the standards for em issions 2994. SHRI PUNLIK HARI DANWE: from automobiles have been fixed and are ~SILVERA: being enforced strictly; and Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof? 381 Writt9n Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 382 THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT standards. AND FORESTS (SHRI NllAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. Delhi A total number of 585 polluting vechicles Administration through Directorate of Trans- ofthe DTC (Delhi transport Corporation) and port has been implementing a plan scheme Government Departments have been pros. to control pollution caused by vehicular cuted between April and July, 1990 under exhaust. Free facility of pollution checking the provisions of Motor (Vehicles) Act and was provided between December, 1987 and Rules. April, 1989 at 24 petrol pump locations by deploying technical staff with Exhaust Gas [ Translation] Analyzers. Since May, 1989, this facility is being provided at all offices of the Director- Study of Vedas ate of Transport. Simultaneously, mobile teams are covering various points for provid- 2996. PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT: ing free checking facility. Till June, 1990 Witl the PRIME MINISTERt;;pieased-to owners of approximately 5,l_§J00 vehicles state: have availed this facility and it was found that approximately 1,78,000 vehicles were pol- (a) the year-wise amount earmarked by luting beyond the maximum permissible limits Government to propagate the studies of prescribed by Central Motor Vehicles Rules, Vedas and research thereon and to save 1989. Vedic heritage from extinction during the last three years and the details of measures Approximately, 77,000 vehicle owners taken in this regard; have been issued warning slips between March, 1990 and Jun, 1990 for non-compli- (b) the provisions made for future In ance of standards prescribed in the Central regard thereto; Motor Vehicles rules, 1989. (c) whether the institutions working in A vigorous advertisement campaign has this field have been listed; and been launched through newspapers, and motories of Delhi have been advised to get (d) the annual grant being provided to their vechicles checked according to a time such institutions? schedule, based on registration number series of vehicles by January, 1991. Forthis THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE purpose, the Department has authorised 57 MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- private workshops and petrol pumps to func- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI tion as pollution checking centres. These MEHTA): (a) The Government made the centres are providing tuning facilities in case following budget provisions for the purpose of vehicles are polluting beyond prescribed during:- (Rs. in lakhs) 1987-88 1988-89 1989-90 1990-91 65.00 60.12 76.25 56.50 (b) Provisions for the future will depend (c) and (d). 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CtI ..r::. ~ en en a: > > < C> I- ~ en ~ en 385 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 386 c Ol d, ~ ,_Ol 0) .~ ::3 0 0 0 "tl 0 ,..._ 0 "tl (") c: m .s:::: 1: en ~ ..... tt 0 m 0 >- ~ C\I E ::;: -6 m to to c: ~ .D to Q) to > .s:::: 0 > a. to ~ to .s:::: .~ « I- 1: c- en to Cii to :::l >to a: .s:::: .= >- t:O to .D ~ ~ ~ Q) c: Q) to ~ > c: c: E G .;: .;:: to 0> c:; ..c U) c: "E ._g :::l 'm ::3 E .D ~ «i to fII CI) ..c c: c: (.) to 0 ..s: (\J to > .~ 0 >- g_ to .~ -Q) ~ .s:::: c: m E jij I- 0> ..c ~ t:O d (5 387 W,msnAnswe~ AUGUST 27 1990 Writtsn Answe~ 388 r .' easing of Burden of school Chil- The break up of the grades in which training is as under:- these 126 trainees were given specialised FITTER 74 (1 abandoned) INSTRUMENT 7 ELECTRICAL 19 ELECTRONICS 10 (1 abandoned) MACHINIST 10 PAINTERS 6 126 These trainees were paid stipend of Rs. (a) the total expenditure incurred by 440/- per month. Though they could not be Government on science and technology absorbed on completion of their specialised research through various Science Research training due to imposition of ban on recruit- Institutes during the last three year; ment of additional personnel consequent upon the anticipated decline in the workload, (b) how many research papers were HAL have given an assurance that prefer- prepared by the prominent Research Insti- ence will be given to them subject. to their tutes; and being otherwise qualified, as and when necessity for additional manpower arises on (c) how many reports have been evalu- improvement of the order book position. In ated by the Government? view of this and keeping in view the objec- tives of the scheme, it cannot be said that the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE training imparted to them and the amount MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- spent on them is a waste. As a matter of OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) to (c). additional relief to them, HAL have also The information is being collected and will be circulated a list of these trainees to other laid on the Table of the House. ~ ..-"~ ...... Public Sector Undertakings for considering '" them for appointment against suitable posts .Task Force on Foodgralns Production in their organisation. 3000. SHRI BANANRAO OHAKNE·. W\\\ the PR\ME M\N\STER be p\e-;~;a tel state: Expenditure on SclencelTechnology Research (a) whether the Planning Commission has constituted any Task Force for prepar- 2999. SHRI BABANRAO DHAKNE: ing a framework action plan for achieving the ~,....~~.t:'~~--...... - Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to desired foodgrains production target by the state: end of the Eighth Plan; 391 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 392 (b) whether the Planning Commission from different States and the Instrtutlonal has assured full help to the State Govern- arrangements available for Implementatton ments for the Implementation of the action of thiS scheme by the State Governments, plan to achieve the target, and and (c) If so, the details of assistance likely (c) the effective measures being taken to be prOVided to the States, State-wise and to locate the wasteland for Its afforestation? the time by which necessary assistance IS proposed to be made available? THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER ROUTRAY) (a) Yes, Sir OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN) (a) No, Sir The (b) and (c) Detailed survey of waste- Planning CommiSSion has not constituted lands, stage-wise, has not been done for the any such Task Force In the context of the whole country However, It IS estimated that Eighth Five Year Plan there are about 1295 lac hectares of waste- lands In the country State-wise figures are (b) and (c) Do not arise given In the statement below The nodal ~\\ agency for Implementation of the afforesta- Wastelands Development tion programme In the States are the State Forest Departments The National Waste- 3001 SHRI BABANRAO DHAKNE Will lands Development Board had also initiated the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND Wastelands Identification Project In 1986 for FORCES be pleased to state Identification, claSSification, and mapping of wastelands through remote sensing In col- (a) whetherthe State Governments have laboration with the Department of space been adVised to Identify such wastelands and the National Remote sensing Agency which could be covered under the afforesa- DUring phases I and II of thiS project 146 tlon programme, districts above been covered Phase In of the project, which IS under Implementation, (b) If so, the details of data collected covers 85 other districts STATEMENT State-wIse estImate of wastelands In India (m Lac hectares) 51 No 5tate/UT Total 2 3 Andhra Pradesh 11416 2 Assam 1730 3 5458 393 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 394 51. No. StatelUT Total 1 2 3 4. Gujarat 78.36 5. Haryana 24.78 6. Himachal Pradesh 19.58 7. Jammu & Kashmir 15.65 8. Karnataka 91.65 9. Kerala 12.79 10. Madhya Pradesh 201.42 11. Maharashtra 144.01 12. Manipur 14.38 13. Meghalaya 19.18 14. Nagaland 13.86 15. Orissa 63.84 16. Punjab 12.30 17. Rajasthan 199.34 18. Sikkim 2.81 19. Tamil Nadu 44.01 20. Tripura 9.73 21. Uttar Pradesh 80.61 22. West Bengal 25.36 UTs 36.04 Total 1295.74 N.B. The above estimate is not based on a country-wide survey of all wastelands in the country. 315 WtIIIn An8wwnt AUGUST 'Z7 1990 (TIIIMIaIIon) (c) and (d). Do not arise,ln view of reply ~S to ~ (b) above. )'- \ PublIc 8ChooI. In Deihl 'lC\b ? Vacancl•• In Education Depart- 3002. SHRI HARI SHANKAR MAHALE: ment of Daman and Diu Will the PRIME MINIS I ER 6i Pl8as8dt'o atate: 3003. SHRI HARI SHANKAR MAHALE: Will the PRIME MINISTER be P;a&ea to Ca) whether the publiclprivate ~ools in state: Deihl recognlMd by Deihl Administration have increased their tuition fee this year; (a) the number of vacant post. In differ- ent categories in the Education Department in the Union Territory of Daman & Diu and (b) If so, whether this increase was since when; made with the permission of Delhi Admini- stration and the reasons for this increase (b) the details of measures being taken and the name. of echools jn which it has by Government to fill these posts expedi- been Increased; tiously; and (c) whether Government are contem- (c) the time by these posts are likely to plating to control such tendency of increas- be filled? Ing fee arbitrarily and If so, thedetallsthereof; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- (d) If not, the time by which Government VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) to (c). The information is being would take action to check the tendency of collected and will be laid on the Table of the increasing fee in this manner and provide Sabha relief to the people? [ElJglish] \' ~'" ~'-'d THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE "J(1~, , v,_ , --.. ~ MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- Commissioning of Naval Ship "Kuth.,' VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) Some schools in Delhi have 3004. KUMARI UMABHARTI: Will the increased their tuition fee this year. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (b) Delhi Administration has not given (b) This ship is of the Corvette Class and (a) whether land has been acquired to its addition to the Fleet will further augment construct a building for Kendriya Vidyalaya the Indian Navy's Surface-to-Surface mis- in Hamirpur in Himachal Pradesh; sile capability. (b) if so, the amount provided in the [ Translation] current year's budget for construction of school building and whether the construc- tl Copied Version of Books tion work has since commenced; and 3005. e.BQE... PBEMo KUMAR DHU- ~: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased (c) if not, the reasons for which the to state: construction work has not yet been started? (a) whether Government have received complaints from some Members of Parlia- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ment that copied versions of books pub- MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- lished by Punjab Education Board are avail- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI able in the market at Cheaper rates; MEHTA): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) if so, the action taken in this regard; (b) and (c). Construction of permanent and school building could not be taken up so far as the Central Public Works Department to (c) whether Government have con- whom the work was awarded found the site ducted a survey to ascertain the basis on unsuitable for the Vidyalaya. ... LA which private publishers are selling their 1'1 [ r9·\).-\...l,-"!CJ.~\jQ?- ,-o.r,RJU) books at a lesser price than those of the Alternative to wood packing cases for books printed in Government press? fruits in Himachal Pradesh THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3007. PROF. PREM KUMAR DHU- MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- MAL: Will the Minister of ENViRONMENT VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI -AND FORESTS be pleased to state: MEHTA): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether Government are aware that (b) and (c). The NCERT textbooks are thousands of cubic metres of wood is being used by students of schools affiliated to the used in the country for making packing cases CBSE. The State Government of Punjab is for fruits; responsible for production and distribution of school textbooks for students of .schools (b) if so, whetherthe Union Government affiliated to the Punjab School Education propose to grant subsidy on manufacture of Board. It is for the State Government to look corrugated fibre board boxed and collaps- into the complaint and take remedial meas- ible plastic crates to replace wooden cases ures. However, the complaint has been re- so that the forests are saved from being ferred to the State Government for enquiry destroyed and ecological balance is main- tained; and and reportHt~~ ~,rl (c) if not, the alternative steps proposed! ) Kendriya Vldyalaya at Hamlrpur taken in this regard? 3006. PROWREM KUMAR DHU- THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT ~ Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI to state: ROUTRAy): (a) to (c). Wood is being used 399 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 400 ",,-0 0 for making packing cases for fruits. How- Demarcation of Forest Land ever, no green fellings are done for making wooden packing cases. Central Government 3009. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Minis- is encouraging substitutes for wooden pack- ter of ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS be ing cases. Kraft paper used for packaging of pleased to state: horticulture produce has been exempted from levy of excise duty. Financial assis- (a) whetherthere are programmes under tance for an amount of Rs. 13.5 crores has consideration of the Government for the been given to Government of Himachal demarcation of Forests land from other Bri- Pradesh by Central Government for setting vale land toprevent encroachment of Forest up a factory for manufacture of corrugated land; and fibre board boxes which would replace wooden boxes for fruit packaging. (b) if so, the details thereof? [Eng/ish] THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI Western Ghats Development ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). There is no scheme Programme under the consideration of Central Govern- ment for demarcation of forest land to pre- 3008. SHRI N. DENNIS: Willthe PRIME vent encroachment on such land. MINISTER be pleased to state: [Trans/ation] _. !' } •. ()y-i r}'v"'" (a) the areas covered under the West- ) j--,OOJV , "'':J ern Ghats Development Programme in Tamil A..:. Revision of J.C.M. Rules Nadu; and 3010. SHRI HAR ISH RAW AT: Will the (b) the details of works carried out in the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to"state: area under the programme during 1988-89 and 1989-90? (a) whether Government are aware that the J.C.M. rules made for Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- employees have not been revised for long; TRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- (b) if so, whether Government are also GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI aware that the demand for their revision and BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) An area of redrafting is being made from time to time by 27.9 thousand sq. kms spread over 29 ta- several Government employees' unions; lukas of 7 districts has been covered under the Western Ghats Development Programme (c) if so, whether Government propose in Tamil Nadu. to redraft these rules; and (b) Works under this programme have (d) if so, when? been carried out in Agriculture, Soil Conser- vation, Forestry, Animal Husbandry, Fisher- THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI VISH- ies, Minor Irrigation, Power, Roads and WANATH PRATAP SINGH): (a) to (d). There Bridges, Water Supply, Khadi and village are no "J.C.M. Rules", as such, made for Industries, Sericulture, Remote Sensing, Government employees. However, a Poultry Development, Dairy Development Scheme of Joint Consultative Machinery and and tribal Development. Compulsory Arbitration for Central Govern- 401 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 402 ment employees which is a voluntary one alternative arrangements for monitoring at and mutually agreed upon between the Block, District and State level. The Govern- Government and the leaders of the Staff ment of Himachal Pradesh have proposed to Side is in existen~ since 1 66. discontinue implementation of the 20-Point ~"-l-- ~ /I'L ~!it-'l.A_r ~. \. , ,,."l< r IV f",n.:•• ,Y'-A. ,...... '.~! Programme. Committe~s for ImplementatiJn8 of 20- Point Programme (English] f. ~(\J.... _~Q._ f?r;~-ft;., i (. 3011. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the River Pollution In A.P. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: _- 3012. SHRI P. NARSA REDDY: Will (a) whether Government are aware that the Minister of ENVIR01TrvfE-Nj·Xr;-rtn=OR· many States including Uttar Pradesh have ESTS be pleased to state: dissolved the committee for implementation of 20-Point Programme at State, District and (a) the names of the rivers in Andhra Block-level long time back; Pradesh which are polluted at present; (b) if so, the reasons therefor; (b) the level of pollution existing in each river; and (c) whether these committee are pro- posed to be revived; and (c) the steps taken or proposed to re- move and prevent further pollution of these (d) if so, by when and if not, the reasons rivers? therefor. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT MINISTRYOF PLANNING AND MINISTER AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- ROUTRAY): (a) Some stretches, particu- GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI larly below the urban centres, of the rivers BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) to (d). No Godavari, Krishna and Pennar and their reports of dissolution of committee for Imple- tributaries are polluted. mentation of 20-Point Programme have been received except from the States of Uttar (b) The level of pollution in these rivers Pradesh, Gujarat and Himachal Pradesh. in terms of critical water-quality parameters The Governments of Gujarat and Uttar such as Biochemical Oxygen Demand (BOD) Pradesh have indicated thatthey have made and Dissolved Oxygen (DO) is given below: Rivers Parameters BOD DO (Milligrams per litre) 1 2 3 Godavari 2.5 to 3.11 6.5 to 7.1 Krishna 2.68 to 3.18 5.14t07.27 403 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnSWBIS 404 Rivers Parameters BOD DO (Milligrams per litre) 1 2 3 Pennar 3.7 7.8 (c) The steps taken to control pollution (b) if so, the details thereof? include: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (i) Industries located on the banks of MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- these rivers have been directed to OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) and (b). install effluent treatment plants A Centre for Materials for Electronics Tech- within a time-frame and to treat nology (C-MET) has been set up as an their effluents to prescriued limits autonomous society under the Societies before discharge into the rivers. Registration Act of 1860 under the adminis- trative control of the Department of Electron- (ii) Consents are issued to industries ics with its Headquarters at DeIhl a:ld three to operate, subject to their adopting laboratories, in specialised areas of Elec- adequate pollution control meas- tronics Materials, at Hyderaba' Pune and ures. Trichur. The main objective of C MET would be to develop technology at pifot scale level (iii) T ask forces have been set up to for a range of critical electronics materials oversee the progress made by and transfer the technology to industry for industries in putting up pollution commercial explitation. The scope of activi- control devices. ties of C-MET, Hyderabad would be in the area of high purity metals & alloys and re- (iv) Regular monitoring of the river water lated products. C-MET, Pune would develop quality is being done. thick film materials, MOS chemicals and special plastics. Areas of Electronics Ce- (v) Prosecutions are launched against ramics and rare earth materials are being the defaulting units. identified to be taken up at C-MET, Trichur. u..1J 7, v.,o\...f '\ ~J.LV Centres for Development of Materials Clearance to-Y~le~u Re~ol~ ProJect for Electronic Industry 3014. SHRI P. NARSA REDDY; Will 3013. SHRI P. NARSA REDDY: Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FOR- the Minister 01 PRIME MIN ISTER be pleased ESTS be pleased to state: to state: (a) whether Government have set up (a) whether Union Government have various centres for the development of ma- not given clearance to Yeleru Reservoir terials for the electronic industry with a view Project which is to supply water to to strengthen indigenous capabilities; and Visakhapatnam Steel Plant; 405 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 406 (b) if so, reasons thereof; and under actual tree cover is 64.01 million hectares giving a degraded forest area of (c) whether Union Government propose 11.17 million hectares. It is proposed to to reconsider and accord clearance to the reafforest 9 million hectares of degrade for- above project? est land during Eighth Five Year Plan. No specific suggestions have been received by THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT Union Government from the State Govern- AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ments for utilisation of degraded forest land. ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). The Yeleru Reser- 406 "J ('. A..u...}-U-..~I voir Project was rejected in October, 1987 Growth rate In Electronics ~ctor due to non-submission of requisite environ- mental action plants. 306. SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA RAJE: Will the P'RiME'Mft'JISTER be~' pleased to (c) Such cases can be reconsidered state: only on submision of complete information and action plans along with a satisfactory (a) the growth rate in the consumer explanation for the delay in providing the electronics sector in the country in general data. No such proposal has been received. and TV segment in particular at present; "-\ C' So Forest Land Lying Unused (b) the target set for the Seventh Plan and what was the achievement in the above 3015. SHRI P. NARSA REDDY: Will sector; the Minister 01 ENVIRONMENTANt)· FOR- ESTS be pleased to state: (cl the plans drawn up for the Eighth Plan; and (a) whether a large area of forest land in various States is lying unused; (d) the estimated production and de- mand at the end of the Eighth Plan? (b) whether any suggestions have been received by Union Government from the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE State Governments for its utilisation; and MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) Produc- (c) if so, the details thereof? tion in the consumer electronics sectort in- creased from Rs. 665 crores in 1984-85 to THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT Rs. 2850 crores in 1989-90 at current prices, AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI achieving a cumulative growth rate of 34%. ROUTRAY): (a) to (c). As per the studies conducted by Forest Survey of India using The production of Black & White and Satellite Emagery, out of the recorded forest Colour Television sets during 1984-85 to area of 75.18 million hectares, the area 1989-90 has been as follows:- Year B&W % CTV % TV sets Growth (sets in Growth (in million nos) million nos) 1 2 3 4 5 1984-85 1.1 0.35 407 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written AnSW91S 408 Year B&W % CTV % TV sets Growth (sets in Growth (in million nos) million nos) 1 2 3 4 5 1985-86 1.9 72.7 0.70 100.0 1986-87 2.3 21.0 0.90 28.6 1987-88 3.6 56.5 1.2 33.3 1988-89 4.5 25.0 1.5 7.5 1989-90 3.8(-) 15.5 1.2 (-) 20.0 (b) Production target of Rs. 2000 crores tions still exist now; and was set in the Consumer Electronics Sector for the terminal year (1989-90) of Seventh (d) if not, what are the present terms and Plan against which a production of As. 2850 conditions? crores was achieved. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) and Cd). The Working Group for MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL· Electronics Industry for VIII Five Year Plan OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) Yes, Sir. has recommended a production target of Rs. 8500 crores in the Consumer Electronics (b) to (d). The terms and conditions are Sector for the terminal year <1 994-95) of VIII still under consideration and have not yet Plan. This includes Rs. 500 crores for export. been finalised. ,- \ JJ r-¥~ • ~ r \ (( \".'" \. ,-,01 \J,~" '.1< \ ... y. I.l~ ~ Purchase of Light Water Reactors from Tissue Culture by National Botanical France Research Institute 3017. SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA 3018. SHRI BHABANI SHANKAR RAJE. Will the PRIME MINiSTER be-Pleased HOTA:WilithePRIMEM-INISTERbepleased --to state. to state: (a) whether Government have revived (a) whether the National Botanieal negotiation with France for the purchase of Research Institute has developed tissue two 900 mw Light Water Reactors (LWR); culture of economic plants and it so the details thereof indicating the names of such (b) if so, the terms and conditions laid plants and number of saplings developed, down for the purchase of these two LWR distributed and sold so far; and earlier; (b) whether it is being ensured thatthere (c) whether the same terms and condi- is no overlapping and full coordination with 409 Written AnswelS BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written AnSW91S 410 CSIR Laboratories like the National Chemi- Tha laboratory is engaged in research cal Laboratory and the Indian Council for and does not deal with large scale produc- Agriculture Research Laboratories like IARI tion and sale of plants. etc. and if so, the details thereof? (b) Yes, Sir. It is being ensured that there is no unnecessary overlapping with THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE work at national Chemical Laboratory, Puna, MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- Indian Agricultural Research Institute, New OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) Yes, Sir. Delhi etc. Besides multiplication, based on The National Botanical Research Institute, tissue culture, National Botanical Research Lucknow has developed protocols for multi- Institute is engaged in developing innovative plication of economic plants through issue methods for germplasm preservation, syn- culture. The details are given in the state- thetic seeds and better understanding of ment below. growth and differentiation in terms of growth normones, organic metabolites and inor· Moderately large scale field trials on ganic salts. All of this constitutes an inte- discorea floribunda have been carried out at grated programme of research investiga- the farm of Central Institute of Medicinal and tions. The results from these studies are Aromatic Plants at Lucknow and on bamboo coordinated with similar work dona at other at Banthra Research Station, lucknow. research laboratories. 411 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 412 I~ .g 0 0 0 0 V) V) 0 0 0 0 0 0 "'!:t 0 V) 0 a N N 0 0 0 0 II) 0 ~ ('I) N 0 N + i-en --0 ~ e .~ ~ E ~ .2 .s: E :::::J :="0 :§. )( (5 co 0 co co ~ co g fn 0 "0 co c:: E .s: :::::J fn c: Q) .~ ~ -ij ~ "0 C '"0 c: Q) ~ E C,!) ;:::;.. ~ ~ .B ·0 :::::J 0 .:I:::: a. t"') }5 co co .!! Q) 0 E >. :2 CD Q) ..!! :2 E ~ '"0 (J) --Q) ~ :::::J ~ .D (J) ~ .0 >. ~ co co co ~ e 'E Jg :::::J c: >. ~ 0 ::.0 f!! f!! 0;::: W co ·iii ~ (J) "0 co -5 e ~ ~ 0) co "0 c: "0 8 g :IE co (/) § (/) W 2:- :s :::::J c: >- c: :::::J ~ E ~ 0 co ~ Q) .2 .Q co ~ (.) « (!) CD ~ > a: c c c a: ~ en ~ c:: ~ Q. ..!! 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Examination, 1990 ot.oelhi and how does this compare with that of last three 3019. SHRI BHABANI SHAN~R years; AU I A:--~ ------SHR-'-RAM BAHADUR (b) reasons for the drastic dip In the - '"SWGH: ~ pass percentage this year; and SHRTHARISH PAL: Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT Cc) details of steps taken to improve the AND FORESTS be pleased to state: standard of education in Government Schools? (a) whether eveR after six years of Bhopal gas tragedy a high level of toxic elements still THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE exist in the environment around the Union MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- Carbide Plant in Bhopal; VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) The pass percentages of Delhi (b) if so, the details of toxic elements Senior School Certificate (SSC) Examina- found and how long are they likely to be tion for the 4 year period of 1987-90 are present there and their area of coverage; given below:- and 1987 72.7 % (c) the preventive measures being taken to control the presence of toxic elements so 1988 82.8 % as to prevent an further damage to the health of the people? 1989 81.2% THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT 1990 71.9% AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) No, Sir. (b) There have always been fluctua- (b) does not arise. tions in the pass percentages from year to (c) Of the 2S chemicals wh~h were year. The dip in 1990 may be attributed tothe preaent in the UCIL premises after the unit sudden and unusual increase of about 200/0 was shut down, 22 chemicals have been in the number of candidates. shifted. Action has already been initiated by Madhya Pradesh Pradushan Niwaran Man-- (c) Improvement of standards of educa- dal for safe disposal of the remaining three tion in all schools including Government ~emicals. _ .t _,',--.. schools in the country is sought to be achieved I, ; 0- ~'J.l- ',_ ~ V ~ by:- Pass percentage In SSC Examination, 1990 (i) Making available to them textbooks developed on the basis of the guide- 3020. SHRI RAM SAGAR (Sa~~r): lines in the National Curricular SHRI HET RAM:---- Framework brought out by the SHRI G-OVINDA CIiA~PRA NCERTfor all stages of education. -MUNDA: (ii) Improving the pedagogic/physical Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased inputs through a number of Cen- to state: trally sponsored schemes. 417 Written AnswelS BHADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) .-.- Written AnSWBIS 418 ~ 1- ~ . ,- \G ~~ ~(~_... (iii) Selection of qualified teachers, l.\ Planning Based on Manpower C provision of good pay-scales/allow- ances to them and providing them 3022. SHBI P.B. KUMAB~MANGA promotional avenues to generate LAM: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased motivation. 'to-state: (iv) Improved facilities for in-service (a) whether future planning is likely to be training for teachers. done after a census is taken on manpower availability in the country; and (v) Providing for disciplinary action under the Delhi School Education (b) if not, in what manner planning will Rules, 1973 in respect of Delhi take into its fold the issue of a major resource School teachers for breach of the known as man power and its utilization? Code of Conduct provided in the rules. The Code prohibits wilful THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE negligence of duties, unauthorised MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER absence from the schools or classes OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- and giving private tuition to any GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI student. BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) and (b). The magnitudes and broad patterns of manpower (vi) Involvement of parents through the supply are available from various sources forum of Parent-Teachers Asso- from time to time, including the decennial ciation. population census. These are utilized for the '~Il purpose of planning including planning of Delay In sanctioning pension to Armed manpower utilization. There is, therefore, no Forces Personnel --- proposal for holding a special census on manpower availability specifically for the 3021. ~t"fB!..MM..SA~~f!JSaidpu~t: purpose of future planning., t ,.., -r' r \ l Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Y\ G lo-vr~J.~ . _-""_f.l_U_ refer to the reply gIven on 7 May, 1990 to AID for Building stadium In School In Unstarred Question No. 7755 regarding delay Salem District in sanctioning pension to Armed Forces personnel and state the present position 3023. SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGA- thereof together with the reasons for delay? LAM: Will the PRiME MINISTER be pleased -to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA (a) whether any school in the District of RAMANNA); As on 30th June, 1990, pen- Salem has been aided by the Sports Author- sion had been sanctioned in 134 cases of ity of India for building a stadium; and Armed Forces personnel out of the 171 cases pending on 31st march, 1990. The (b) if so, the details thereof including the main reasons for delay in the remaining amount disbursed? cases are the requirement of special dispen- sations for sanction of pension and incom- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE plete/defective documentation. Pension has MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- also been sanctioned in all the 6 cases of VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI Civilians employed in Armed forces Head- MEHTA): (a) Sharda Girls' Vidyalaya, Sa- quaters. lem, an adopted school of Sports Authority of 419 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 420 India, has been given aid for the develop- ~~nSb"ionJ 0 ~ fNtJ~t. ment of sports infrastructure, for its mainte- nance and for organising sports activities. U.G.C. Grants to Sagar University (b) A grant of Rs. Slakhs was disbursed 3025.- SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE: Will to the school initially in 1986 forthe develop- the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: ment of sports infrastructure. Rs. SO,OOOI- was disbursed in the year 1989-90 and Rs. (a) the total amount provided by Univer- SO,OOOI- in 1990-91 for the maintenance of sity Grants Commission to Sagar University, infrastructure and for sports activities. Madhya Pradesh during last three years; =- c...9-\.\r C. 1 '.. r ...... ~:- _--", and '-' \.~ or Weather Fo~ast (b) the details of the colleges in Bal- aghat district whose applications for grants are pendint with University grants Commis- 3024. DR. DAULAT R~~L.sOJ:ruJI sion for the extension work of colleges and AHER:WillthePRIMEMINISTERbepleased for the purchase of scientific instruments? tostate: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether World Population 1990 MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- report indicates that the people of Rajasthan VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI may have face more sweltering summers KEHTA): (a) The University Grants Commis- and Kashmir's cool climate may become a sion does not provide grants to universities thing of the past; and on year to year basis but for a five year plan Accordingly the Sagar University was pro- (b) if so, whether Government have any vided with a grant of Rs. 134.49 lakhs for plan to overcome/combat the situation fore- development purposes during the 7th Plan cast in the report? period. (b) During the 7th Plan period four col- leges of Balaghat District of Madhya Pradesh THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE approached the University Grants Commis- MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- sion for grants for extension work and pur- OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) and chase of scientific instruments. Of these. (b).The United nations Organisation's publi- grants to Government P.G. College, Bal- cation "The State of World population 1990" aghat and Government S.S.P. Art and speaks of the possibility of global warming Commerce College, Warasooni by 1.S0-2.80 C by the middle of next century. (Balaghat)were sanctioned. however, grants without spelling out the specific impact on could not be released to Kamala Nehru Rajasthan and Kashmir. Studies made at College, Balaghat and Government A.B. Arts India Meteorological Department do not and Commerce College. Baihar (Balaghat) indicate any systematic change or trend in due to non-receipt of revised proposal as the climate of Rajasthan or Kashmir. How- required by the UGC. ever, thefrea of global climate changes in the short erm futUfe of the order of decades [English] G.OG--(..,~\\\l'J £rilNPC is a matt r of intensive international coop- ,,-\1 0 ()~ erative research. which should yield more Litigation cases on Service matters decisive and precise information and analy- 3026. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: sis. On the basis of this, remedial actions as Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to appropriate can be initiated. state: 421 Written Answers BHADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 422 (a) whether there has been an alarming the C.A. T. during the last three years, year- Increase in the litigation cases on service wise? matters in the recent times; THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI VISH- WANATH PRATAP SINGH): (a) There has (b) if so, the number of cases filed by been substantial increase in the number of Government servants in the Principal Bench, cases instiuted in the Central Administrative Central Administrative Tribunal during the Tribunal. last three yoars; year-wise; and (b) The number of cases (excluding miscellaneous petitions) filed in the Principal (c) the number of S.L.Ps. filed by Gov- Bench of C.A.T. from 1987\0 June, 1990 is ernment departments against the orders of as follows:- 423 W,itlen Answers AUGUST211990 Written An..... 424 ~ co ~ ....N (\') 8 ..... ~ oo:t N N C') .... Ig !sV) i C') ...... co i C\I co C') ~ 0 I ~ 0 0) ..... co 0) 0) CD co co c: 0) d) 0) :::::I ~: - ..- ..- .., i:::::I 425 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Witten Answers 426 (c) Statistics abOut S.L.Ps filed by that ancient idols and pieces of archaeologI- Government departments against the order cal importance are lying scattered all oyer of C.A. T are not compiled/maintained cen- the Kayatha Village, the birthplace of the trally as the S.L.Ps are filed by different renowned astrologer Varahamihir; departments separately. The information will be collected and laid on the Table. (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and t ( Steps to preserve Fore.ts (c) the details of the steps the Govem- ment have taken or propose to take in this 3027. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA: regard? Will the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FOREST be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- (a) whether any police action to prevent VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI the clearing and destruction of forests in MEHTA): (a) Yes, Sir. India, parallel to that in force in Brazil to save rain forests whereby Brazillian space agency (b) and (c). The site is not under Central gets information from a NASA satellite on protection. Most of these sculptures lying any destruction of even five yards of forests over the platforms are under worship. Some and punish the guilty after identifying perpe- of the important sculptures have been shifted trators of forest destruction by aerial and to Ullain for safety by the State Government. helicopter survey is also proposed to be y_ ") G '- Jv-.>. -\'{.)~l J'-k _,.,.. introduced in the country; Right of Education ••• Fundamental Right (b) if so, the details thereof; and 3029. SHRt MADHAVRAO SCINDIA: (c) H not, what other measures have Will the PRIME-MINiSTeR be pleased t'o been adopted to punish persons found guilty state: of denuding forests? (a) whether Government have consid- THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT ered the question of grant of "Right of Educa- AND FORESTS (SHRt NILAMANI tion- as a fundamental right of aU children in ROUTRAy): (a) and (b). Use of police force particular and of all citizen. in general; for protection of forests on the lines of Brazil- lian model is not practised in India. (b) if so, the Government's decision In this regard; and (c) Punishment is being awarded to persons found guilty of denuding forests in (c) what is the lateat estimate of the accordance with the provisions of Indian number and percentage of children, boys forest Act, 1927. \ lL J ).. t \ and girls, between 5 and 14 years of age who J1 0-( ~ 7 ().. (",'- -~ \; h. remain out of schooling cirriculum? Scattered Idols In Kaytha Village THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3028. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA: MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- Will the PRIME MINISTER b8 pleased to" VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI state: MEHTA): (a) and (b). The Central and State Governments, including Administrations of (a) whethere the Government are aware Union T errnories, are making all out efforts 427 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 428 to provide free and compulsory education to tion over the years. Even under the existing all children In the age group 6-14 years by provisions of the Directive Principles of the following a number of programmes. The Constitution, 14 States and 4 U. Ts. have National Literacy MIssion has also been enacted laws for compulsory elementary launched by the Government make adults education. Having regard to these factors, it Within the age group 15-35 years literate and would be superfluous to include the "Right to acquire other skills. Adequate faCilities and Education" among the Fundamental Rights. Infrastructure for higher education have also been provided by Government and the fees (c) According to the Fifth All India Edu- charged from the students are nominal. The cation Survey conducted by the NCERT in Government have been making consistent 1986-87, the requIsite information is as efforts to Increase the allocation for educa- under:- 429 t'Vrillen Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 430 t:: -!!! -B It') .2 ..£!! Il) ..... ~ c? 0 Q.. C") *' tf t:: ..... c: -;n (D o It') 431 w'~:t~ ~,," ~,~ .. ,.~~GU~~~~t990 WrittenMsW81S 432 Strengthening of N.D.C THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI 3030. SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA ROUTRAY): (a) and (b). According to the MURTHY: Wili the PRIME MINISTER be annual report for 1990-91 of the World pleas8d to state the steps taken by Govern- Resources Institute brought out in collabora- ment to strengthen the National Develop- tion with United Nations Environment Pro- ment Council to make it is genuing forum for gramme (UNEP) and United Nations Devel- consultations on national issues? opment Programme (UNDP). India i$ one of the 11 countries responsible for B2 percent THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE carbon release from deforestation. The list MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER of the countries giving details of forest cleared OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- annually and the anthropogenic addition to GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI carbon dioxide flux is given in the statement BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): Government are below. However, the annual rate of loss of committed to regular consultations with State tree cover for India as per studies conducted Governments by activating and stengthening by Forest Survey of India using Satellite the National Development Council. A 2-day Imagery between 1981-83 and 1985-87 is meeting of the National Development Coun- 47,500 hectares and not 51akh hectares as cil was called in June, 1990 to consider the mentioned in the report. Approach to the Eighth Five Year Plan. The reasons is for deforestation are as \..\ ') \ '" Rate of Deforestation follows: 3031. SH~I KUSUMA KR1~~NA (i) Higher demand for fuelwood and ~YRTH.Y: Will the Minister of ENVIRON- timber due to increased popula- MENT AND FORESTS be pleased to state: tion. (a) whether India is listed among the (ii) Overgrazing leading to degrada- elevan countries responsible for the 82 per- tion of forests land. cent carbon release from deforestation; if so, the details thereof; (iii) Requirement of wood based indus- tries. (b) the estimated deforestation rate according to satellite sensing studies a year; (iv) Insufficient financial outlays for if so, the reasons for high rate of deforesta· regeneration of degrated forest tion in our country; lands. (v) Problem of shifting cultivation in (c) whether large areas legally desig· tribal areas especially in the North nated as forest land are virtually treeless Eastern Regions. resulting not only in the extinction of about 100 species every day but also adversely (c) and (d). As per the State of Forest aff8cting the soil beneath the forests which Report (S.F.R.) 1989 the recorded forest deteriorates rapidly when the tree cover is area of the country is 75.18 million hectares gone; and and the area under actual forest cover is 64.01 million hectares. Hence an area of (d) if so, measures contemplated to , 1 .'7 million hectares out of the recorded preserve and protect the forest land? forest area of 75.18 million hectares is de- 433 Written AnsWBIS BHAORA 5.1912 (SAKA) Written Answel3 434 graded forest land. The steps taken by the dustries for wood substitution. Government to protect and preserve the forest land include; (8) Efforts are being made to control shifting cultivation. (1) The National Forest Policy 1988. lays more emphasis on cons.erva- (9) Guidelines have been issued to tion of forests. There are specific StatelU.T. Governments from time provisions for protection of forests to time for protection of forests. from grazing. fires and encroach- Some of these guidelines are as ments. follows: (2) Forest (Conservation) Act was (i) To avoid felling of natural forests enacted in 1980 to check diversion and where such felling are inevi- of forest land for non-forest pur- table for restoration of crop or poses. The Act has been made other silvicultural considerations, more stringent by an amendment it should be restricted to area not of 1988. exceeding 10 hectares in the hills and 25 hectares in the plains. (3) A Centrally sponsored Scheme is under implementation to help the (ii) To consider banning of falling in States for development of infra- the bills above 1 .000 metres, structure for protection of forests. atleast for some years. (4) Alternative sources of energy are (iii) To identify critical areas in the being developed to replace fuel- hills and mountains which re- wood in domestic and commercial quire protection from felling of sectores. forests and need immediate vig- urous afforestation. (5) Wood is substituted by alternative materials in packaging, railway sleepers, building construction, (iv) To set apart 4% of the geographi- furniture etc. cal areas as protection area like wildlife sanctuaries. national (6) Import Policy for timber has been parks, biosphere reacerve etc; liberalised. «v) Special guidelines have been (7) Fiscal incentives are given to in- issued for regulation of saw mills. 435 Wntten Answers AUGUSi 27 1990 Written Answers 436 .... !. Q) ~ It) It) It') 0 CO ,.... CO 0 C\I ,.... ,.... C\I )( CO CO (\') 0 C\I It') (\') (\') ' sections in 95 schools. An amount of Rs. r 371.71 lakhs is being released as first instal- [Tr<;_ns/ation] P': ; c_ '\"':._ ( ment for this purpose. \--\(; ( ~) - '"Supply of substandard Goods Pollution by Industries in Punjab 3035. SHRI HUKMDEO NARAYAN 3034. SHRI KAMAL CHllUDl:iBY: Will YADA¥_: Wi~ffiTMEr.im'JrSfE"R-he the Ministe; of ENVIRONMENT AND FOR- 'pleased to refertothe reply given on 14 May, ESTS be pleased to state: 1990 to Unstarred Question No. 8540 re- garding supply of substandard goods and state: (a) the details of industries in Punjab causing pollution; (a) the reasons for issuing orders for enquiry in 33 cases only and the outcome of (b) the level of pollution caused by each the enquiry and the action taken thereon; such industry in Punjab; and (c) the corrective measures Govern- (b) the outcome of initial enquiry for ment have taken in this regard; and which orders were issued against some 439 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 440 persons and whether cases have been reg- THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT Istered against all of them? AND FOREST (SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAY): (a) Only the Waghur and Lower THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Wunna Irrigation Projects of Maharashtra MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA are awaiting environmental clearance. RAMANNA): (a) Enquiries ~ere ordered (b) and (c). The project authorities have earlier only in 33 cases, since in the remain- submitted catchment Area Treatment Plan ing 53 cases preliminary investiga:ions were based on the available information for both yet to be completed. these projects. The project authori1ies are to discuss these plans with the Environmental Out of 33 cases, enquiry reports have Appraisal Committee in its next meeting for been received in respect of 31 cases of deciding these cases. '~~ 1 which 8 cases are such where inspection l \ , -----I~r"..-...~t /' Q) LI.. " (,-- lapses have been identified. The enquiry Cases Pending before CAT bench at reports of the remaining 23 cases are under New Bombay examination. 3037. PROF. RAM GANESH KAPSE: (b) As regards 53 cases which were Will the PRi"ME""MINISTER b~' pl~~ under preliminary investigations earlier, in state: respect of 2 cases disciplinary action has (a) the number of cases pending with been initiated against the concerned offi- the Central Administrative Tribunal (CAT) cials. For the remaining 51 cases enquiries Additional Bench, New Bombay; and have been ordered. (b) the number of posts of Members of [English] CAT's Additional Bench at New Bombay . \ "\ lying vacant and when these vacancies are Irrigation Projects of Maharashtra likely to be filled up? 3036. PROF. RAM GANESH KAPS~: THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI VISH- WIll the Minister of ENVIRONMENT AND WANA TH PRATAP SINGH): (a) 25727 cases FORESTS be pleased to. state: (excluding miscellaneous petitions) are pending with New Bombay Bench of the (a) the irrigation projects of Maharash- Central Administrative Tribunal, as on tra having command areaof more than 10,000 31.7.1990. ha. that are pending clearance with Union (b) At present, one post of vice-Chair- Government; man and one post of Member (Judicial) are vacant at the New Bombay Bench of C.A.T. These two posts are expected to be filled up (b) whether Government have received soon. r. rC .J ... \.J\~f 1 \;""' C'- \--~ any catchment area treatment plan for irriga- \.1 ,-' u tion projects having command area of more '- Stopping of Indian Military Band at than 10,000 ha. from Maharashtra Govern- Berlin Wall ment; and 3038. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO ... --~---~-----~- --~f!._~HJI~J~n"!~]T: (c) if so, the reaction of the Government SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN- thereto and what action Government pro- DAC - - -~ -.-~ poses regarding clearance of these irriga- Will the PRIME KofiNISTER be pleased tion projects? to state: 441 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 442 (a) whether the Indian Military band was (b) if so, whether any set guidelines stopped at a short notice ~rom performing at have been ~ramed by the council in this a recent ceremony at the Berlin Wall; regard; (c) if so, how many States have been (b) if so, the reasons therefor; provided such guidelines; and (d) by what tima the State Governments (c) whether the band was later on sent are likely to implement these recommenda- to England; if so, the expenditure incurred tions? thereon; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) whether Government have received MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- a report regarding ban on Indian band per- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI formance; and MEHTA): (a) to (d). Guidelines for admis- sions to technical institutions have been (e) if so, the details thereof? issued to all State Governments/UTs for initiating steps to implement these with ef- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fect from the academic year 1991-92. MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR .. RAJA RAMANNA): (a) to (e). An inter-Services As per the guidelines prescribed, the Band had initially been invited to perform at minimum qualification for admission to de- Berlin under tho aegis of the World War gree programmes in engineering will be Memorinl Fund. However, since it had been passing the 10+2 Science Stream examina- decided by the Allied Powers not to have tion with a minimum aggreate of 60 percent foreign non-alied military bands at the con- markes in Physics, Chemistry and Mathe- cert at Berlin, the proposed tripof the band to matics obtained in a single sitting. This crite- Berlin was cancelled. ria will apply where admissions are made on the basis of marks obtained in the 10+2 A visit of the Indian Inter-Services Band SCIence Stream examination and not on to London was arranged subsequently, on entrance test. the inVitation of the Chief of General Staff, U.K. This trip was sponsored by·the World It has further been suggested that all War Memorial Fund with all expenses paid. States should conduct entrance tests in the The band gave a number of performances at subject of Physics, Chemistry and Mathe- various venues in U.K. which was greatly matics at 12+ level. The entrance test should appreciZlted by the British public. be common to all engineering degree institu- \ 1...1 \ tions in the State. The minimum n1.arks neer! Admissions to Engineering Colleges not be prescribed for eligibility for the en- trance test and all the students who have 3039. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO passed the qualifying examination be per- BRAHMBHATI:wi'11 th~-PRIME MINISTER mitted to appear in the entrance test. The be 'pleased to state: merit ranking in the entrance test only should be the basis for admissiQll. (a) whether All India Council For Tech- '''\ y).. Fof.. -c rJ nical Education has recommended that Free Distribution of Seedlings cC¥l1mon entrance tests in Physics and Maths 3040. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO at tne plus two level should be conducted in BRAHMBHAn:willthe-MiniSter of E~NI each stato as a basis for admissions to RON M Ef,,r'(AN 0' FORESTS be pleased to engineering institutions; state: 443 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 444 (a) whether Government have made nel reported missing and presumed killed). arrangements for free distribution of seed- lings to the farmers, schools, colleges and (b) The information is being collected other organisations in view of good rains and will be laid on the Table of the House. during the current year; (c) and (d). Upto two dependants of (b) if so, the details of places where it Defence Service personnel killed/disabled has been freely distributed; and in action, including war widows, are entitled to Priority II (a) (disabled over 50% disability (c) the total cost of the seedlings which and unfit for employment, but disability at- they have distributed free of cost so far? tributable to military service) for the pur- poses of employment against Group 'C' and THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT '0' posts under the Central Government. In AND FOREST (SHRI NILAMANI respect of IPKF casualties, as a special ROUTRAY): (a) to (c). Distribution of seed- dispensation, Govt. have issued guidelines. lings free or otherwise to the farmers, schools, as follows, to various Government Depart- colleges and other organisations is done at ments and Public Sector Undertakings:- the State level and necessary arrangement for this purpose are made by the concerned (i) priority for employment to be given State governments. In view of this and since to disabled personnel for employ- this work continues throughout the rainy ment underGovernment, over other season, it is not possible to give details of normal cases of ex-Servicemen places and the total cost of seedlings distrib- against vacancies reserved for uted at this stage.~ .:..1 ~~~-U 1 them. '\_-, f\'(I~\~~'"1..~'~'<\ ~~~~., , Employment to dependants of Oe- (ii) priority and compassionate appoint- -:- CiiiieCi IPKF personnel ment to dependants of IPKF per- sonnel killed in Sri Lanka opera- 3041. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO tions with suitable relaxation to the BRAHMBHAIT: Will the PRIME MINISTER extent possible, especially regard- liepreaseOfoState: ing criteria for consideration of ter- minal benefits received, while as- (a) the total number of IPKF personnel sessing need for such appointment. that lost lives in Sri Lanka; CTranslation] \....J" c-1 ~ 0.... e~~c (b) the total number of widows and v._u..'-'\ ~"'-1-0 :\ dependents of the IPKF who have been Theft of Idols from Rewa (M.P.) off_ed jobs and alternative source of em- ployment; 3043. SHRISANTOSHKUMARGANG- WAR: Will the PRIME MINISTEH be pfeased (c) whether anytime-bound programme to Slate: has been made for providing employment to them; and (a) whether some previous idols of ar- (d) if so, the details thereof? chaeological importance belonging to sixth centuary have been stolen from Rewa THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (Madhya Pradesh) recently; MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA RAMANNA): (a) 1157 (including 34 person- (b) if so, the details in this regard; 445 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 446 (c) the steps being taken by Govern- of Armed Guards in important ment in this regard; centrally protected monuments! museums, (ii) maintenance of (d) whether Government propose to sculpture-sheds and Archaeologi- make the preservation and proteGtion ar- cal museums at important sites (iii) rangements more effective in regard to such tightening ~ watch and ward ar- precious wealth of historical and archaeo- rangements including appointment logical importance in the country; and of Security Officers, (iv) posting of officers at important custom points (e) if so, the details thereof? to help the customs authorities and (v) setting up of Expert Advisory THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Committee for examination of art/ MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE QE- craft objects to be exported. VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): (a) and (b). As per the available (3) After the ratification of the Unesco information 38 idols are reported to have Convertion on the Means of Pro- been stolen from the area of Rewa, Madhya hibiting Illicit Import, Export and Pradesh, during 1990 but the dates of idols Transfer of Cultural Properties in have not been specified. None of these 1977, India is in a position to put belong to any of the centrally protected claims for the return of stolen/lost monument of the area. antiquities and art treasures of Indian origin from the country where (c) to (e). Besides bringing the idol these are surfaced from the date of thieves to book through law enforcing agen- ratification. cies, the Government of India has taken follOWing measures to prevent thefts and (4) An Antique Cell has been opened smuggling of antiquities: in the Central Bureau of Investiga- tion for investigation into cases of (1) Enforcement of the Antiquities and thefts and loss of antiquities. Art Treasures Act, 1972, which Inter-alia provides: Setting up of sampling stations to monitor pollution level (I) Compulsory registration of cer- t.:Jin categories of antiquities 3044. SHRI SHIBU SOREN: Will the (sculptures In all media, paint- mlnisterof ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS Ings and illustrated and illumi- be pleased to state: nated manuscripts); (a) whether Government have decided (Ii) Recording the movements of to set up four sampling stations at Ja- registered antiquities; mashedpur under Nakam project to monitor the level of pollution; (iii) Dealing in antiquities to be re- stricted to licensed dealers; and (b) whether these four sampling sta- (iv) Restriction on export of antiqui- tions were proposed to be set up and com- ties. missioned in Adityapur, Jagsalai, Sakichi and Golmmuri in Jamshedpur by April.1990 (2) Other measures include (i) posting and whether similar sampling stations are 447 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 448 already functioning in Dhanbad city for the (a) the names of the States where the . last four years; environment aspect has been neglected or has not received the requisite amount of Cc) whether non-commissioning of1hese attention; sampling stations has created many doubts; and (b) the steps proposed to be taken by Government to creat pollution free environ- (d) if so, whether Government propose ment iri those States; and to tnke action against persons responsible for this delay and ensure that these stations (c) the number of such persons/organi- start functioning at the earliest? sations/units, State-wise against whom cases have been filed for polluting environment THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT and the details the thereof? AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI ROUTRAV): (a) and (b). Ves, Sir. THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI NILAMANI (c) and (d). The establishment of moni- ROUTRAY): Ca) All the States except toring stations under the National Ambient Nagaland and Arunachal Pradesh have Air Quality (NAAQM) Programme involves a taken steps for implementing the Environ- number of preparatory steps such as selec- mental Laws by setting up State Pollution tion of an appropriate site, obtaining permis- Control Boards. sion of the owner of the site, arrangement for power supply, recruitment of staff, procure- (b) The Central Pollution Control Board ment of instruments, chemicals. glasswares, has initiated steps to set up aJoint Board for etc. which takes time. The Central Pollution both the Statos under Section 13 of the Control Board is pursuing the matter with the Water (Prevention and Control of Pollution) Oihar Pollution Control Board for early es- Act, 1974. The Central Government has tablishment of the sanctioned stations. npproached the North Eastern Council for taking on the functions of the State Board for rEnO/ish] Nagaland. ,~ (c) 3160 cases under the Water (Pre- " Action against Persons polluting vention and Control of Pollution) Act, 1974 Environment and 830 cases under the Air (Prevention and Control of Pollution) Act, 1981 has been filed 3045. SHRI K.D. SULTANPURI: Will and State wise details are given in the State- the minister of ENVIRONMENT AND FOR- ment below. Details of the pen:;ons, organi- ESTS be pleased to stC'lte: sations and units are not available. 449 lIV:Aten Answers BHADRA 5. 1'J12 (SAKA) Wfltten Answers 450 0 V) ~ - ~:e ~ co 0 ,..._0> ,..._~ 0> ,..._co ...... 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Will the Minister of PE r RoLEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state: (ii) In addition, Armed Guards have been posted in some of the impor- (a) whethor despite Government's clear tantcentrally protected monuments directives, the famous ancient treasures of and museum under tne control of India continue to find their way out of the the Archaeological Survey of India, country, especially from Chattisgarh area; besides tighten of watch ward ar- rangements and appomtment of (b) what corrective steps Government Security/Officers Sculpture-sheds have in mind to safeguard ancient heritage to house the loose sculptures, an- of India; tiquities etc. safely have been constructed. (c) whether customs staff would also be given suitable training as also other watch (iii) In the year 1977, India has ratified and ward staff as also Intelligence SeNices the Unesco Convention on the in this delicate and difficult job; and Means of Pr8hibittng Illicit Import, Export and transfer of Cultural (d) if so, the details thereof? Properties. The Convention Inter- alia provides that the contracting THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE parties would take steps for pre- MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- venting illicit import, into their terri- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI tories, of stolen cultural properties MEHTA): (a) No, Sir. and for tracing and restoring such stolen properties to the countries (b) The Government of India has taken concerned. The rights of the con- the following preventive measures to safe- tracting parties under the Conven- guard the ancient heritage of India and to tion are, however, prospective to check thefts of antiquities; the signing of the Convention and not restrospective. (i) Enforcement of Antiquities and Art Treasures-Act, 1972, which inter- (iv) An Antique Cell has been opened alia provides for the following: in Central Bureau of Investigation for investigation into cases of thefts (a) Compulsory registration of and loss of antiquittes. certain categories of antiquities (Sculptures in all media, paintings (v) Steps have already been initiated and illustrated and illuminated for documentation of loose sculp- manuscripts) with the Registering tures, paintings, illustrated manu- Officer; scripts etc. (vi) Archaeological Survey of India has (b) Registering Officer to be informed posted its officers at important inter- regarding movement of such registered natjonaJ see-ports and air-ports in antiquities; India to help the customs authori- 457 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Writtsn AnswsfS 458 ties in preventing illegal export of are proposed to be incorporated inthe Eighth antiquities by identifying objects Plan? which are antiquities. Further, Expert Advisory Committees have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been setup in important towns in MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER India to examine the objects meant OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PRO- for export in order to find if any of GRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI the objects is an antiquity in terms BHAGEY GOBARDHAN): (a) Yes, Sir. of the Antiq uities and Art T reasu res Act, 1972.. -(b) and (c). Concrete suggestions with respect to input delivery system, agricultural (vii) Coordination has been maintained exports, remunerative prices, development between Archaeological Survey of· of plantation crops, development of minor India, Central Bureau of Investiga- irrigation, development of agro-industries to tion, National Crime Redords Bu- arrest rural exodus to the cities, were made. reau, State Police, State C.I.D., It was also stressed that greater emphasis Customs, Check posts etc. for should be laid on biotechnology to overcome prompt reporting of cultural proper- the situation when the petroleum based fer- ties and smuggling of objects. tilisers become scarce and costly. With refer- ence to rainfed/dryland agriculture, water- shed development was stressed. The need (c) and (d). Such training courses are for developing rural infrastructure like roads, organised as and \'Jhen necessary under markets, etc. were suggested. It was also qualified experts from within the Survey and suggested that there should be farmers' outside convering different repeate of anti- exchange programme so that the farmers of quarian Laws, contents of India arts and one State can go to other States and learn crafts including paintings, illustrated manu- Improved methods of cultivation. It was script, etc, features of antiquities and non- suggested that there should be closer link- antiquities, problem of Immitation of art ob- age between the farmers and the research jects and cluses for their detection and other workers in knowing their problems. Sugges- related matters. tions were also made for the development of I horticulture with better planting material made Growth of Agriculture in Eighth Plan easily available. It was also suggested that export of non-traditional items like basmati 3047. SHSI PRAKASH KOKO rice should also be encouraged. All these BRAHMBHATI: Will the Ministerof PETRO- suggestions would receive consideration in LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state: formulating the Eighth Pian').... _ 1. yrg I'"\~~ ~t L (a) whether a meeting betw~_en the Central f~odTeM,n~logy research Planning Commission and Agricultural sci- Institute In M.P. entists was held in June, 1990, to prepare a plan programme to accelerate the growth of 3048. ~HRI MADHAVRAO SCINDLA: agriculture in the Eighth Plan; Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state: (b) if so, whether any concrete propos- als have emerged from the discussion; and (a) whether a Central Food Technology Research Institute is proposed to be set up (c) if so, to what extent these proposals in Madhya Pradesh; and J59 Written Answers AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 460 (b) if so, Government's reaction thereto? 12.00 hrs. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [English] v1INISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL- :::>GY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): (a) No, Sir. MR. SPEAKER: Now the Prime Minis- rhere is no such proposal in the VIII Plan of ter will make a statement. Mr. Prime Minis- he Council of Scientific and Industrial Re- ter. iearch (CStR). THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI VISH- (b) Does not arise. ~ WANATH PRATAP SINGH): On 7th August, ",~t\ ~ 1990... Accommodation to Nehru Cambridge [ Translation] Society In Teenmurti Bhavan SHRI MADAN LA KHURANA (South 3049. SHRI BRIJ BHUSHAN TIWABJ: Delhi): I am on a point of order. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: MR. SPEAKER: Rakesh ji, Please sit down. I am not allowing you. (a) whether Government have allotted accommodation to Nehru Cambridge Soci- SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: I am on ety. Kamla Nehru Hospital Society etc. in a point of order. As I have been told ... Teenmurti Bhavan, New Delhi; ( Inteffuptions) (b) if so, the details of the rules followed 'MR. SPEAKER: Rakesh ji, please take in this regard; your seat. I am listening to a point of order. (c) whether Government propose to give SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: My point accommodation to other institutions also in of order is this that the hen. Prime Minis- Teenmu~Bhavan;and ter ...... (Interruptions) (d) if so, the details thereof? MR. SPEAKER: Under which rule? Which rule has been. violated? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRIMADANLALKHURANA:lwam M\N\S,RY 0\= HUMA.N RE.SOURCE DE- to raise the question of propriety as well as \/ELOPMENT (SHR\ CHIMANBHAI the point of order. MEHTA): (a) No, Sir. MR. SPEAKER: What are they? (b) Does not arise. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Mr. Speaker, Sir firstly, how the hon. Prime (c) No, Sir. Minister is making a statement in the House in regard to reservation? (d) D?es not arise. . MR. SPEAKER: The Prime Minister is making the statement with my permission. 461 Written Answers BHADRA5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 462 SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Kindly reported in the newspapers and has ben listen to me first. broadcast and telecast in the yesterday news bulletins of the AIR? TV. The hon. Prime MR. SPEAKER: I am listening to you. Minister is making statement in the House now. I want your ruling on the matter. (inter- SHRr MADAN LAL KHURANA: I have ruptions) two points to raise. First is this that a consen- sus had emerged after the discussion held MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of on Friday that all the parties would be invited order involved in it. Please sit down. Rawat by the Government or the Prime Minister to Sahib, you also sit down. Yes, Mr. Poojari. discuss the reservation issue and then only a statement would be made. J would like to ( Inte"uptions) submit that three days have passed since then. Is the hon. Prime Minister making this [English] statement after consultations with all the parties? Secondly, in yesterday's evening SHRIJANARDHANA POOJARY (Man- news bulletins of Doordarshan and AIR it galore): Sir, kindly see the Agenda that has was announced that 10 percent reservation been circulated. is to be given to the economically weaker sections of the people also. It has been If you kindly read Article 15 (4) reported in today's newspapers also. I would like to know how this announcement was "Nothing in this article or in clause (2) made over TV and AIR when the House is in of Article 29 shall prevent the State session and why the Prime Minister is mak- from making any special provision for ing the statement which has already been the advancement of any socially and announcedoverTV/Radio? .. (Interruptions) educationally backward classes of citi- zens or for the Scheduled Castes and MR. SPEAKER: It is no point of order. the Scheduled Tribes.· (Interruptions) Here again, on the implementation of SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: This is a Mandai Commission report, the hon. Prime point of order. I have also stated that this is Minister is coming before the House with an a question 01 propriety. intention to provide for economically weaker sections of upper castes or other castes. MR. SPEAKER: This is no point of or- There is no specific provis._ion in the Consti- der. tution for providing any reservation for eco- nomically weaker section or for other upper SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: This is a castes. That means, there is no economic question of breach of privilege of the House. criterion. I want to put one question. MR. SPEAKER: Please take your SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: seat. Even before knowing my statement, he is debating on it. (/ntenvptions) ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat, SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Mr. Mr. Janardhana Poojary. Speaker, Sir, , am raising the question of propriety. The statement has already been SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : 'am 463 Written Answe/S AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answ8ts 464 raising a very important question about the the poorest among the poor backward-class constitutional provision. (Interruptions) people should get the benefit and not Poojary. ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Poojary, will you please conclude? MR. SPEAKER: You do not know what the Prime Minister is going to say. I do not SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: I am know whatthe Prime Minister is going to say. concluding now. I am not against the Gov- ernment. SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : My point is that the poorest among the poorer MR. SPEAKER: When you are raising a sections of other upper castes should also point of order, I have to see whether you get the benefit. (Inteffuptions) have raised a correct point of order. That is my point. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE (Panskura): Sir, Mr. Poojary is raising an SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: That objection. He is absolutely wrong. (Intsffup- is why J am quoting the relevant tions) ruJe.(lnteffuptions) MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Poojary, take your Sir, my submission is this. So far as the seat. Now, Mr. Vasant Sathe to speak. economic criterion is concerned, so far as the socially and educationally backward SHRIJANARDHANA POOJARY: I want classes are concerned, our policy to make one submission. is •.. (Interruptions) SHRI SPEAKER: You had your say. MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Poojary, Do you Please take your seat. There is no point of say that the Constitutional provision has order. You are not raising any point of order. been violated? That is my point. No rule has been violated. You have said enough. SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: I am also a backward--class man. SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : I am raising a Constitutional point. Please permit MR. SPEAKER: Thank you very much. me to conclude by saying a few words. SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: That MR. SPEAKER: Please conclude within is why I am saying that so far as the back- a second. ward classes are concerned , they should get it. Janardhana Poojary doesn't require any reservation. SHRI JANAADHANA POOJARY : Sir, there was an agitation. The students were MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. making a representation and they were lathi You can't go on saying like this. I will not charged. They should not have done that. permit you to speak indefinitely, Mr. Poojary. ( Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Poojary, please take your seat. You had your say. Now I SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY : So permit Mr. Vasant Sathe. What is your point far as the economic criterion is concerned, of order? 465 Written Answers BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 466 SHRI VASANT SATHE (Wardha): Sir, I make that proposal before the parliament. am on a pOint of order under Rule 222. I think You have already made it on the Televisen. the han. Prime Minister has committed a You have already told the country_ It has serious breach of privilege of this House. come in the newspapers today. I would like to know what is the sanctity now in the Prime MR. SPEAKER: I am not allowing Mr. Minister coming with a statement today in Sathe since there is no question of priv~lege the Hause. We are opposed to this idea of motion before me. taking the parliament for a ride. (Interrup- tions) ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: You give a notice. I will SHRI VASANT SATHE: The standing see. prnctlce, convention of this House islhat any policy statement should be made first in the SHRI VASANT SATHE: You have to House when the Parliament is in Session take note of this. Please give your ruling. (Interruptions) (interruptions) THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION [ Translation] AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI MR. SPEAKER: I said that I would look P.UPENDRA): He IS going to make that into the matter, that it all, please sit down. statement now. (interruptions) [ Translation] SHRI VASANT SATHE: You are aware ot It. kindly see the rule. (Interruptions) ( Interruptions) THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI VISH- SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Armora): Mr. WANATH PRATAP SINGH): Sathe-ji, just I Speaker, Sir, this is a very important and take one minute. sensitive issue. The Government, however, is taking the matter in a very casual manner. [ Translation] ( Interruptions) SHRI VASANT SATHE: We are here to [English] listen to you but kindly listen to me first. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: I am coming to [English] that. You kindly listen to me. Without listen- ing me, how wi" you konw whether it is a SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: point of order or not. (/nt9ffll111ions) Sir, this is not a policy decision. It is a proposal ... not decision. It is only a proposal. SHRI P.UPENDRA:What is his point of ( InterruptIons) order? (Interruptions) SHRI VASA NT SATHE: When Govern- [ Translation] ment wants to make a policy proposal, even then, when the parliament is in session, it is SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Tho way this the well established convention, practice matter is being taken in a casual manner by and dignity of the House that the Prime the Government may lead to alarming situ- Minister must give respect to Parliament and ation. As reported in yesterday's evening AUGUST 27 1990 Written Answers 468 news bulletins of TV/AIR and today's news- SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Mr. Speaker, papers, a policy decision has been taken in Sir, I would like to request that you should the meeting of C.C.P.A. to provide 5 to 10 direct the hon. Minister to cfarify his position percent reservation to economically weaker as to whether he has given any such call or section also. It seems that this news was not. If he has made such a statement, it is deliberately given to the media. On the one really a very sad thing that this Government hand closed door meetings are being held to has such Ministers. Who are openely insti- discuss the issue, on the other they are gating the people on the issue of implemen- giving a call to the people in the public tion of mandai Commission Report. It would meetings to fight in the streets. lead to destruction in the country. The people belonging to backward classes will also suffer Mr. Speaker, Sir, whenever there is any and those who are launching movements disturbance in the country, the Government will also have to face the cousequences. and the ministers are supporsed to issue Therefore I would like to urge upon you to well considered statements which could help kindly direct the hon. Minister to clarify the in controlling the situation, But this was not position. done. Yesterday a call was given and it has been reiterated today also that people be- MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down, Shri longing to backward castes should fight for Ram Naik. thier honour in the streets. They have to show their strenght through raHies. . (/nte"uptions) Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to know SOME HON. MEMBERS: Mr. Speaker, what does the Government intend. Does the Sir, if Shri harish Rawat can speak why present Government want to control the situ- can't? I Kindly allow me to speak. I also want ation and to solve the problem through to speak. (Interruptions) negotiatings? (Interruptions) [English] [ Translation] MR. SPEAKER: Will you please take SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM (Sa- your seat? Shri Ram Naik to speak. lem): He is violating the norms (lnte"up- tions) (Interruptions) [ Translation] SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North): I am on a point of order. t I 1der Rule 31, the List of business has been circulated to us. Now the SHRI H4AISH RAWAT: Mr. Speaker, question ... (Interruptions) Sir, the han. Prime Minister is present here. I do not challenge his rights. But I would like Under Rule 31 , the List of Business has to submit that the way in which the Ministers been circulated to us. Serial Number 1, that of his Cabinet are instigating the public to is, Question Hour, is over. Serial Number 2 create a situation of confrontation in the has to be taken up and we have been circu- country openely is not good ...... (Interrup- lated a Supplementary List of Business, that tions) is, a Statement by the Prime Minister which is under Serial Number 5 A. Now Serial MR. SPEAKER: You had your sa~. Now Number 5 A will come after Serial Number 5 take your seat. is over. Nnw if the Prime Minister is making 469 Written AASW1efS BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Statt. by P.M. measures 470 for promotion of employment for youth a statement at this stage, it will not lie in a cann'! he talk with the youth and political order. This is my point of order. (/nterrup- parties of the country? Fourthly, where these tians) reservations of 1Oar 15 per cent will be made in the jobs? Since 1984, there has been a [ Translation] ban on filling up posts in the Central Govern- ment. When there are no jobs, what will be MR. SPEAKER: I have called the Prime given and to whom? The han. Prime Minister Minister to speak immediately after Ques- should also tell as to whether this ban will be tion Hour. So you should know the Speaker lifted or not ...... (Interruptions) ... has already prevailed upon the Prime Minis- ter ...... (Interruptions) .. . [English] PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA MR. SPEAKER: Let us hear the Prime (Delhi-Sadar): Mr. Speaker. Sir. I would like Minister. to know what happened to the assurances -: (( I c: T ;: ) ~ Ci :: given during the Zero Hour? I have given a ~ 70 __::_ ~ ( ()- - notice regarding Delhi Bandh today at 10 r ~ ~ .} a.m. It is for the first time that people have STATEMeNT BY PRIME MINISTER come out in the streets against each otheron Delhi bandh. Measures for promotion of Employment for the Youth in Addition to Reservation MR. SPEAKER: The hon. Prime Minis- for Socially and Educationally ter is about to make a statement. Backward Classes I s.,;t.) PROF."vIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA: For (English) tho first time in the history of Delhi, a bandh was observed in the city without a call being THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI VISH- given by any political party. Another thing, WANATH PRAIAP SINGH}.: On 7th August, which nevor happened in the history of Delhi =; 990,1 announced inthis Housethedecision is that the Ministers of the Union Cabinet taken by my Government to implement the themselves gave a call to the people to come mandai Commission's Report. • out in the streets to fight with eaGh other. Today, people have come out duly armed As the House is aware, the mandai with swords and lathis in the streets. (/nfer- Commission submitted its report on 31 st ruptions) I would like to know whether you December, 1980 to the President. Thereaf- wantto savethecountry or destroy it. Thirdly, ter, this has been discussed a number of I would like to know from the hon. Prime times in bath the Houses and there was Minister as to the difficulty in initiating dia- substantial support and forceful dem",nds logue in deference to the wishes of the entire for the implementation of the Mandal Com- House to this effect. He has been saying that mission's Report. The National Front had his Government is being run through con- declared in its manifesto that it will imple- sensus. Why this issue cannot be solved mentthe manda~ Commission's report at the through consensus? We are not against earliest and during the elections it had made Mandai Commission, but the entire house is a solemn commitment to the people to imple- in favour of evolving a consensus arid nego- ment it within a year of its coming 10 office. tiated settlement of the issue. If PrRTIe Minis- ter can hold meetings with the terrorists of When this Government took offict., the Punjab and separatists of Kashmir. why President stated in his address that the 471 Start. by P.M. AUGUST 27 1990 promotion of 472 . measures for employment for youth Government is committed to the implemen- was a suggestion from the Members to pro- tation of the Mandai Commission's report. In vide reservation for the poor over and above both the Houses. there was persistent the reservation for the Socialiy and Educa- demand from a large section of the Members tionally Backward Classes, and I had said for its implementation. In the last Session I that we would sympathetically consider some had assured in the Rajya Sabha that the reservation for the poor. irrespective of so- Government will take its decision expedi- cial groups. Thi~ was reiterated by the Fi- tiously. nance Minister, Prof. Madh~ oandavateji in his intervention in the Lok Sabha. We pro- This Government has taken a number pose to provide an additional reservation of of decisions to render justice to Scheduled 5% to 10% for the poor irrespective of social Castes. Scheduled Tribes. Women. Minori- groups, entirely on the basis of appropriate ties. Labourers and Other Weaker Sections. economic criteria, after taking the sense of The decision of the Government on the this august House. MandaI Commission Report. in accordance tvit~ its prior commitment to render justice to It was another solemn commitment of the Socially and Educationally Backward the national Front to enshrine the Right to CI&s!es who constitute 52% of our popula- Work as a Fundamental Right in the Consti- tiD .... is part of these measures in this "Year tution. The Government intends. after inter- <)f Social Justice", Baba Sabeb Dr. B.A. acting with political parties, to introduce in Ambedkar Centenary Year. this session a Constitutional Amendment Bill to make the Right to Work a Fundamental In extending reservation to them. the RIght within the available resources and ihtention of the Government is to give them seeks the cooperation of all parties in pass- social justice and a share in the governance ing it after due deliberations. and shaping of the country in fulfilment of our Constitution obligations. As Members are Arising from our consern for our Youth is aware, a number of State have already pro- our decision to make employment the cen- vided reservation for the backward Classes tral thrust of thE> Eighth Plan. The Approach in their services. This Government's deci- Paper to ". e VIII Plan has spelt out the sion on the MandaI Commission's recom- Central task of the Plan as expanding of mendations is in respect of service under the opoortunities for productive employment at Government of India and the Public sector a rapid rate. The Plan target has been fixed Undertakings. in terms of annual rate of increase in employ- ment and has been fixed at 3% increase per The Mandai Commission's Report is annum over the next decade. It is through only with regard to Socially and Education- vastly and rapidly expanding employment ally Backward Classes. Introduction of eco- opportunities, particularly professional and nomic criteria into it will dilute its purpose. commercial self-E:!mpoyment, and through So, th.w:Government wants t.9 make it clear aU-round productive employment-priented that it ~ not possioJe to-make any dilution of growth ot the economy that the problem of the 27% reservation for the Socially and unemployment of the educated as well as of Educationally Backward Classes and 22.5% the poor can really be resolved. for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. Here it will not be out of place to mention At the same time, the Government is that the Government intends to establish a equally concered about the future of our National Youth Counci(to ensure the in- Youth in genera\. \n the Raiva Sabha. there vo\vement 01 the Youth in the building of the 473 Statt. by P.M. BHADAA 5. 1912 (SAKA) promotion of 474 measures for employment for youth Nation and to focus on the problems of the SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: The Youth. In the light of this Government's present situation is that we have two Minis- concern for the employment prospects and ters here. (Interruptions) the future of our educated youth in general. on 15th August. 1990. I announced our MR. SPEAKER: Hear your own Mem- decision to increase the flow of resources for ber, Mr. Akbar. (Interruptions) various programmes of youth from As. 20 crares to As. 265 crores. mainly for self- SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: Mr. employment. higher studies. and for involve- Speaker Sir, in this delicate situation instead ment of youth in literacy programmes. This of talking to the students and really bringing was done in the light of the fact that Govern- about a climate whereby a social reform ment jobs alone cannot solve the unemploy- could be implemented, we find the Ministers ment problem and other avenues of gainful who have taken their oath under the consti- employment have to enhanced. tution openly calling for violence and dividing the society. They are dividing the country. If Appreciating these facts in true per- tlJey have the courage, let them resign. The spective, I trust that all sections of the Ministers who are sitting here have violated country, and Hon'ble Members of Parlia- their qath which they have taken under our ment will fully co-operate with us in the Constitution by inciting violence openly fulfilment of our social and Constitutional misusing their position. Sir, they are dividing obligations and in our march towards social the country and starting a class war. How justice. can they remain as Ministers in this situ- ation? I demand their resignations. If they have courage, let them resign. (Interrup- tions) ( Interruptions) [ Translation] MR. SPEAKER:Please take your seat. (Interruptions) PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTAA Mr. Kumaramangala:11. Be precise. (Delhi Sadar): A full discussion should be held on it. ... (Interruptions) ... SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM (Sa- lem): Sir. I have a notice about the present MR. SPEAKER: You have had your situation especially in Delhi and all over the say. Please take your seat now. ". (Interrup- country. This statement, which Mr. Prime tions) ... Minister read out, has already come out in the papers. It is not very surprising to us. The misfortune is that today the students are SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA (South agitating with no real political support at all. Delhi): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to sub- (Interruptions) No political party supports mit that I have just come from Ram Manohar them. Lohia Hospital where a youth of 16 years has been admitted with serious brain injury and THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND whose condition is statea to be very critical. MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING This is an instance as to what happened on INDUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD Y ADAV): You the 24th. This situation has been created by are supporting them. (Interruptions) you. (Interruptions) 475 Statt. by P.M. AUGUST 27 1990 promotion of 476 measures for employment for youth [English] concerned and youths and hear their view- point ...... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: It is not permissible, Mr. Khurana. (/ntfmuptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. [ Trans/ation] SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Actu- ally, it is a very strange thing that a situation SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: I would like this has been created -in the name of like to submit that the situation in Delhi is reservation ... (Interruptions) ... Mr. Speaker, such ...... (Interruptions) .. , Sir, no one is against reservation as such but they are creating such situation as if only they are in favour of reservation and others THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE are against it. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SUBODH KANTSAHAY): That boy received MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. injury as he fell down from the roof of the bus. You have had your say that no one is against Police action has nothing to do with it. He fell reservations ... (Interruptions) ... done from the bus .... (lnterruptions)· ... [English] MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Khurana, you shouldn't exhibit such things in the House.... MR. SPEAKER: Mr. K. V. Thomas. (Interruptions) ... ( Interruptions) SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: I want to say this much only that today the situation MR. SPEAKER:I have called only Mr. in Delhi has come to such a pass, as Shri K.V. Thomas. Malhotra mentioned, that two rival groups i.e. ant-ireservationists and pro-reserva- ( Interruptions) tionists duly armed with hockey sticks wefe about to start pitched battle near Khalsa MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Akbar, I have not college. Where do you want to take this permitted you. Please sit down. I have called country .... (Interruptions) My submission is upon Mr. Thomas. that on that day ... ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat .... (Interruptions) .,. MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seats. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Will you (Interruptions) kindly listen to me? I am not concrned with it as to who is behind these disturbances, PROF. K. V. THOMAS (Ernakulam): Sir, whether it is the Congr~s party or any other Government's action on the implementation party which js instigating them to do so. I of MandaI Commission's Report has divided have only one reques1 which I made on the country on the basis of caste and ... Friday also that for God's sake ... (Interrup- tions) '" MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Thomas. I am not permitting you on that subject. You have I would ,like to request that the Govern- given some other subject to speak o~lease ment should initiate dialogue with the parties take your seat. 477 Stan. by P.M. BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) promotion of 478 measures for employment for youth ( Interruptions) started immediately. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: I am coming to 12.32 hrs. that point Sir. (Interruptions) [MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER in the Chaiil MR. SPEAKER: I am permitting you to speak only on the subject you have given. [ Trans/ation] You have to speak only on that. SHRI VASANT SHATHE: What about (Interruptions) the ruling on my point of order? It has not been given. Well it be given by the han. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: I am coming to Speaker tomorrow? that point Sir. This Government is dividing the country on the basis of caste and on the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Well. you basis of language. (Interruptions) have raised it before him. SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: Sir, ( Interruptions) they have called for communal viol~nce as Minister. (Interruptions) PROF. P.J. KURIEN (Mavelikara): Is it not a fact that the Prime Minister made a PROF. K.V. THOMAS: The assurance statement outside-whEtther it was a policy give by the Prime Minister in this House is statement or policy proposal? It was known being violated bythis.own Ministers ... (Inter- to the public and all the newspaper have ruptions). In the case of language, we have carried it, but the statement has been made been given an assurance that all letters, here only today. The same statement has documents etc. will be bi-lingual. This is as been given in all the newspapers. Satheji perthe Official Language Act also. I have got has raised a very pertinent point and we here a document which shows that the In- would like to have a ruling on it. You are in the dian Airlines is writing letters only in Hindi. .. chair; please give us a ruling. ( Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You cannot MR. SPEAKER: This is not the way. expect me to give a ruling on a point which has not been raised before me. You cannot [ Translation] expect that I have paid my attention to what you were raising earlier. It is not correct. SHRI YUVRAJ (Katihar): Mr. Speaker, Sir, fi'l1e years ago, in the district headquartar PROF P .J. KURtEN: What is the ruling? of katihar in Bihar, more than "\00 acres at land was acquired by the Government tor lIAR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: My runng is construction of a godown of the Food Corpo- that it would be given by the Speaker. It ration of India, but no construction work has cannot be given by me. It has to be given by so far been started by the Government on the Speaker. the acquired land. The capacity of the small godowns located there is too small to store ( Interruptions) the foodgrains procured in the area. There- fore. I would like to request that the Con- PROF. P.J. KURIEN: If a pertinent matter struction of the proposed godown on the is raised, the Speaker should consider it or acquired land in Katihar district in Bihar be rule that out. Without that the Speaker went 479 Statt. by P.M. AUGUST 27 1990 promotion of 480 measures for employment for youth away and now the Deputy-Speaker is saying you have made your point very very clearly, that he cannot give the ruling ... (/nte"up- cogently and forcefully. You have made that tions) point before the Speaker, when he was in the Chair. Now, you are going with the presump- MA. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You have not tion that J have heard it, paid enough, requi- raised it before me. How do you expect me site attention, and you expect me to give the to give a ruling? ruling. This is not done. Whatever feelings you have expressed will be conveyed to the PROF. P.J. KURIEN: It is the Chair. Speaker and it is for the Speaker to give the Earlierthe Speaker was in the chair; now you ruling. I cannot give the ruling on this. are in the chair. It is one and the same thing ... (Interruptions) ( Interruptions) If you do notwant our cooperation, O.K., SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM (Sa- fine .... (Interruptions) lem): A Member of Parliament cannot violate the rule but when the Prime Minister violates MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: If it is not it, how can you ignore it? (Inte"uptions) raised before me and if you want a ruling from me. What can I do? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Rawat, I have called Mr. Malhotra. PROF. P.J. KURIEN: You convey our feelings to the Speaker. SHRI VASANT SATHE: I put it to the notice of the House that I will move a Privi- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I can convey lege motion against the Prime Minister to- it to the Speaker. morrow. PROF. P.J. KURIEN: The Prime Minis- SHRI M. J. AKBAR (Kishanganj): That ter has made a policy statement, which has will meet the same fate as the Privilege already come in the newspapers. He has Motion against the Minister, Shri Upendra. already announced it in the public meet- ings ... (Interruptions) SHRI VASANT SATHE: We will get the ruling on the earlier privilege motion against SHRI JANARDHAN POOJARY (Man- Shri Upendra. galore): Sir, I am on a point of order. [ Translation] PROF. P.J. KURIEN: When the Prime Minister shows scant respect for the Parlia- PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA: Mr. mentary procedure, it is the duty of the Chair Deputy-Speaker, Sir, J would like to submit to protect us. that there has been a ban on creation of posts and filling the existing vacancies under MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Prof. Kurien, the Central Government since 1984. Re- you have made your point. cently, Shri Dandavate has effected a cut of 10 per cent in plan-items as well as in non- PROF. P.J. KURtEN: Sir, you are the plan items. As a result. there is very little custodian of the House. Please protect us, scope for creation of additional posts. When that is all we are saying. there are no posts to be filled up, to whom you are giving 27 percent or 5 or ~ a percent MR. DEP\:.ITY-SPEAKER: Prot. Kurien, reservation? When you have not given the 481 Statt. by P.M. BHAORA 5,1912 (SAKA) promotion of 482 measures for employment for youth right to work to the people and there are no Shrimati Scindia-she is not here-about the posts to be filled up, what for this reservation glorification of Sati. All the women in this has been made and caste-war like situation House join me in protest. I want to place it on is being created in the country. All over the record only because the other day Chair did country, be it Haryana, Delhi or U.P., the not allow me to protest. I would like to say roads are blocked. Prime Minister has been that this is a total unconstitutional act. With repeatedly urged upon to initiate discussion all due respect to Shrimati Scindia's senior- so as to arrive at a consensus and find a way ity in age, I am sorry to say that she must out of the problem created due to Mandai resign or be expelled from the House for this Commision. unconstitutional aberration. (Interruptions) Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the open call SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE of caste-war given by the two Minister (Panskura): May I seek your indulgence on yesterday has caused resentment every- this point, Sir? (Inte"uptions) where among the people. \ also join in what Shrimati Uma Gaja- THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND pati Raju has said. Because, this is a very WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): serious matter. .A1I Satis are generally taken No caste-war. up in the name of voluntary Sati. SHRI M.J. AKBAR: You have said ...... In the case of Roop Kanwar, it was said ( Interruptions) that it was a voluntary act. Therefore, this is a very counter productive thing that is being SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: To en- said. It is a dangerous thing. lighten the people belonging to the Sched.:. uled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and Back- ward classes about ,their rights cannot be SHRIMATI MALINI BHATTACHARYA considered a call of waging caste-ear ... (Inter- (Jadavpur): I also join inthe condemnation of ruptions) the statement made by Shrimati Vijayraje Scindia. PROF. VIJAYKUMAR MALHOTRA: We want a peaceful solution to this issue. the [ Translation] hon. Prime Minister should take initiative in this regard. it is a matter of regret that no- SHRI J.P. AGARWAL (Chandni- where in the statement made by him today, Chowk): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I deeply it has been mentioned that efforts would be regret that. (/nte"uptions) made to arrive at a consensus. he should make efforts to arrive at a consensus through DR. SHAILENDRANATH SHRIVAS- negotiations ... (Interruptions) TAVA (Patha): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir,··... ( Inte"uptions) [English1 [English] SHRIMATI UMA GAJAPATHI RAJU (Visakhapatnam): Sir, I would like to place MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please on record my protest against a statement down. I am on my legs. and a speech made by my hon. colleague ( Interruptions) ··Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 483 Start. by P.M. AUGUST 27 1990 promotion of 484 measures for employment for youth MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You please MR. DEPUlY SPEAKER: This .is ·nat understand why I am standing mere. Please dEJfamatory. Only if -she wants 10 make a sit down. defamatory statement, 'then a notice is re- quired. ( InterruptDns) ( Inter:ruptions) MR. DEPUlY SPEAKER: If you want something effect~ve, thenthisJQndohemark SHR1 RAM NA1K:'Natice m us! be given. made by one Member against the other is uncalled for. This will not form part of the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Naik, if it record. has been defamatory, onJv then a notice js required. not in all case. ( interruptions) [TransJation] MR.DEPUTY SPEAKER: You pfease understand that you have to behave Jike a PROF. VJJAYKUMAR MALHOTRA: Mr. Member in the House. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to ask one thing. You gave time to four parties. You [ Translation] allowed four Members to speak and we too have a right to make it clear that we are SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Mr. against the evil custom of Sati. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Shrimati Vijayraje Scin- dia is not present in the House. How did you MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Okey, you allow him to speak in her absence? (Inter- may speak. ruptions) PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA: I [English] just wanted to make it dear to one and all that the Bharatiya janata Party is very much MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please do against the custom of SatL (Interruptions) understand that there was nothing defama- tory against her. SHRI J.P. AGARWAL: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the strike of Delhi's lawyers [ Trans/ation] have been going on for the past four five months. Despite their repetrted pleas to the SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: This Government, no Minister from the Govern- could have been postponed till tomorrow. ment side is prepared to hold talks with them Had she been here, she would have replied and consequently, the citizens of Delhi are to it. (interruptions) facing immense difficulties. The lawyers have- been boycotting the lower oourts. I want the [English] Government to intervene in this matter. On behalf of the Government, will the hon. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: This is not a Minister, give an assurance to the House, to defamatory statement. the effect that by holding talks with the law- yers and agreeing to their demands, the long SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North): With- drawn strike would be brought to an end in out giving any notice to the han. Member, order to ease the difficulties being faced by she has made a defamatory statement. the oommon people? 485 Stan. by P.M. BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) promotion of 486 measures for employment for youth [English] Coalfields should pay adequate compensa- tion to those whose houses have been either SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV (Tripura completely destroyed or badly damaged. West): Sir, the Home Minister, along with Earth has sunk there due to the fact that after some Minister, visited Assam and made an mining coal from it, the open cast mines were appeal to 'the AASU to lift the oil 'blockade, not filled with sand. Therefore, a committee which is creating a loss of Rs. 70 cmres for should be constituted to make the necessary the Govemment of India. inquiries in this regard. Similarly, when the open cast mines of Western Coal field sub We would like to have a statement from area began its operations in January, 1990, the Minister for Petroleum as 10 what is the 310 labourers were engaged to loadcoais int outcome of the disc·tSSion in Guwahati and trucks_ Their servX:es were terminated 1a1er what steps they are taking to Jift this ott on. They went to the labour court protesting bJockade_ against the move and they won the case. The court in its veTdic:t asked the Western I Translation] Coalfields to make a payment of six crore rupees to recompensate them. The Western SHRI SATYNARAYANJAT1YA (Ujjain): coalfields lost 1he case due to the arbitrary Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, due to heavy floods action of the General Manager, the Sub- in Western Madhya Pradesh, the 29 inches Area Manager and the Personnel Manager of rainfall in the past 24 hours has paralysed and now they are seeking permission to life in that area. The people are facing im- pursue the case further. In this regard, the mense difficulties. Through you, I would like Government should constitute an inquiry to draw the attention of the Government comittee to thoroughly investigate the whole towards the urgent need to restore and nor- issue. malise communication and other facilities which have been disrupted. MR. SPEAKER: Such issues are not to be raised here. PROF. MAHADEO SHIWANKAR [English] (Chimur): Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir. in the Ghuggus field of Western Coalfields -limited in Maharashtra, land has sunk five feet deep SHRI P. NARSA REDDY (Adilabad): I due to blastings conducted in the open cast wish to draw the attention of the Central mines for eight days continuously from 15th Government to the ravaging floods in the and 16th August onwards. Cracks too have country once again, within a span of three developed in many places. Thatjirea has months. Godavari is in floods. In Andhra been receiving quake Ii~e tremors even since Pradesh, more than 40 people have died and this has resulted in heavy damages to and hundreds of acres have been devas- many houses in that area. The house of Shri tated. Many relief camps have been set up Naresh Neelkanth Armoriwar has got dam- and many medical and para-medical teams aged and the house of Shri Pramod Vithal are required to be sent there. It is so, not only Kavade has been razed to the ground. The in Andhra Pradesh. Yesterday we have seen residents of Ghuggus area are horror stricken in Gujarat also that Narmada has been in by these development. An inquiry should be floods and hundreds of people have died. conducted into it immediately. The Western We want a statement from the Central Gov- 487 Start. by P.M. AUGUST 27 1990 promotion of 488 measures for employment for youth ernment as to what steps they are goi!1g to celled. A.C.B.I inquiry should be ordered into come forward with, to give assistance to the the whole episode and the guilty officials States which are already reeling under such should be punished. If not in the land of Lord calamities. Ram, where else will the 'Shobha Yatra' be taken out? (Interruptions) [ Translation] SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE (Balaghat): SHRI KASHIRAM CHHABILDAS RANA Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, in the context of (Surat): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the devas- the establishment of a National Commission tating floods in all the rivers of Gujarat includ- on Women, , would like to say that ten ing Tapti, Narmada, Viswamitro, Mahi etc. percent job reservation should be made for have claimed more than a hundred human women, so as to make them self-reliant. The lives. Thousands of cattle too have perished dream of Dr. Ram Manohar Lohia should be in these floods and the damages are esti- given concrete shape, in order to fully utilize mated at more than two hundred crore the potentialities of our womenfolk to further rupees. Such a serious situation has devel- the cause of national development. oped in Gujarat due to these floods that the immediate attention of the Central Govern- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Such topics ment is called for. Although the Gujarat cannot be raised here. You should properly Government has taken all possible steps to utilize the chance' gave you. meet the challenges posed by these floods, the Central Government on its part, should supplement the efforts being made by the (interruptions) State Government. Through you, I would like to submit once again to the Central Govern- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You should ment that the State Government has in- have utilised the chance and time given by curred a loss of more than two hundred me. crores due to these ravaging floods. The Centre, with the permission of the Parlia- ment should provide maximum assistance SHRI MANKURAM SODHI (Bastar): Mr. to the State in this regard. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the 22 villages in South Bastar are.a have been inundated by flood PROF. YADU NATH PANDEY (Hazar- waters of Shabari and Indravati rivers. Flood ibagh): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, about four relief operations are required to be launched thousand flags to be taken out in procession on warfooting. There is heavy loss of life and on the occasion of Ramnavmi from 84 vil- property due to floods. Crops have been lages of the Barkagaon area in Hazaribagh destroyed. This have become a recurring district are still awaiting Government permis- feature in the area. a survey team from the sion. The District Administration has to date Centre should be sent there to find out some denied permission to take out the 'Shobha alternative safer place to rehabilite villagers. Yatra'. It has also destroyed all records of This central team should also be asked to licences issued before 1985 and within the submit a report regarding the compensation last two months especially during the Ram- to be given to these poor Tribals and Har- navami Season a teacher was transferred ijans. Appropriate measures are required to and the licences of many shops were can- be taken for their betterment. 489 Papers Laid BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Papers Laid 490 PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE Apprentices Act, 1961. [Placed in Library See No. L T- 1335/90J 12.51 hrs. ~qO Annual Report~_and Review on th.e ~ork. Ing of Indian Institute of Technology, Report _of High Power Panetsm...Minori- Madras for 1988-8~.t._~~~~~~~~,!~m! ties..!~cl.1~dule(tcaSle~.d.ule.clnibeL New...Q~tbj for 1_~88-89J~[!~ s!a!!!!I.!.nts fo'f~ and other ~ea~e_r Sections,(._V.QJumi~Lal1!t "--delay in laying these papers, etc... ~ __ .. "_.A~ ~--- TlTa~n eXplanat~r_\' Memor~~l!.~showinfl the action taken thereon and statement [English] -for delay in laYing'"th~se"pap-';rs;tc: • THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [ Translation] MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE- VELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MEHTA): I beg to lay on the Table:- THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): I (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report beg to lay on the table: (Hind; and English versions) of the Indian Institute of Technology, Madras, forthe (1) (i) A copy of the Report (Hindi year 1988-89. and English versions) of the High Power Panel on Mi- (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi norities, Scheduled Castes, and English versions) by the Scheduled Tribes and other Government on the working Weaker Sections (Volumes of the Indian Institute of I and II). Technology, Madras, forthe year 1988-89. (ii) An explanatory memoran- dum (Hindi and ·English (2) A statement (Hindi and English versions) showing the ac- versions) showing reasons for tion taken thereon. delay in laying the papers men- tioned at (1) above. [Placed in Library See No. L T - 1336/90] (2) A statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for (3) (i) A copy of the Annual Report delay in laying the papers men- (Hindi and English versions) tioned at (1) above.[Placed in of the SahityaAkademi, New Library See No. LT-1334/90] Delhi, for the year 1988-89, along with Audited Ac- counts. (3) A copy of the Apprenticeship (Amendment) Rules, 1989 (Hindi and English versions) published (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi in Notification No. G.S.R. 882 in and English versions) by the Gazette of India dated the 25th Government on the working November. 1989 under sub- ofthe Sahitya Akademi, New section (3) of section 37 of the Delhi, for the year 1988-89. 491 Papers Laid AUGUST 27 1990 l\_ C( "2-- Papers Laid 492 (4) A statement (Hindi and English Annual Reports and Reviews on the versions) showing reasons for working of Aeronautical Development delay in laying the papers men- Agency, BirigalOi'e tOi 1986-87 and 1988- tioned at (3) above. [placed in 89 and itatemerit tot dilly Iii laylrig thasa Library 599 No. L T - 1337/90J ------paJ5ers etC. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (5) A copy of the Annual Accounts MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. RAJA (Hindi and Engllsh versions) of RAMANNA): I beg to Jay on the Table:- the Regional Engineering Col- lege, Hamirpur, fortheyear 1988- (1) (a) (i) A copy of the Annual Report 89 together with Audtt Report (Hindi and English versions) thereon. {Placed in Library See of the Aeronautical Oevel- No. L T - 1338190] opmentAgency, Bangalore, for the year 1985-86 along with Audited Accounts. (6) A copy of the Annual Accounts (Hindi and English versions) of (ii) A copy of the Annual Report the Visvesvaraya Regiona1 CoI- (Hindi and English versions) 'ege of Engineering, Nagpur. for of the Aeronautical Devel- the year 1988-89 together with opment Agency, Bangalore, Audit Report the reo. [Placed in for the year 1986-87 along Library See No. LT-133919O] with Audited Accounts. (7) A copy of the Annual Accounts (iii) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of (Hindi and English versions) the Kamataka Regional Engi- of the Aeronautical Devel· neering College, Surathkal, for opment Agency, Bangalore, the year 1988-89 together with for the year 1987-88 along Audit Report thereon. [Placed in with Audited Accounts. Library 599 No. LT- 1340190) (iv) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) (8) A copy of the Annual Accounts of the Aeronautical Devel· (Hindi and English versions) of opment Agency, Bangalore, the MotHal Nehru Regional Engi- for the year 1988-89 along neering College, Allahabad, for with Audited Accounts. the year 1988-89 together with Audit Report thereon. [Placed in (b) A statement (Hindi and English Library 5e9 No. L T - 1341/90] versions) regarding Review by the Government on the working (9) A copy of the Annual Accounts of Aeronautical Development (Hindi and English versions) of Agency, Bangalore, fortha years the Malaviya Regional Engineer- 1985-86 to 1988-89. ing College, Jaipur, for the year 1988-89 together with Audit (2) A statement (Hindi and Englist:l Reportthereon.[Placed in Library versions) showing reasons for 599 No. LT- 1342/90] delay in laying the papers men· 493 Papers Laid BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Message from R.S. 494 tioned at (a) and (b) of item (1) 12.52 hrs.. above. [Placed in Library See No. LT-1343190] MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA (3) (i) A copy of the Annual Ac- [EngHsh] counts (Hindi and English versions) of the Nehru Insti- ADDITIONAL SECRETARY: Sir, I have tute of Mountaineering, Ut- to report the following message received tarkashi, for the year 1988- from the Secretary-General of Rajya Sabha:- 89 together with Audit Re- port thereon. "in accordance with the provisions of rule 127 of the Rules of Procedure and (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi Conduct of Business in the Rajya Sabha, and English versions) by the I am directed to inform the Lok Sabha Government on the Audited that the Rajya Sabha, at its sitting held Accounts of the Nehru Insti- on the 23rd August, 1990, agreed with- tute of Mountaineering, Ut- out any amendment to the National tarkashi, for the year 1988- Commission for Women Bill, 1990, which 89. was passed by the Lok Sabha at its sitting held on the 9th August, 1990." (4) A statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the papers men- tioned at (3) above.[Placed in Library See No. L T - 1344/90] 12.52 1/2 hrs. '--' q_ '"\ PROF. N.G. RANG A (Guntur): Iwishto ELECTION TO COMMITTEES draw the attention of the Government to the fact that there has been a lot of delay in (i) Committee on official Language placing these papers on the Table of the ( .: .he-{~;._ House. If you kindly look into it you will find THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE that from 1985-86 right upto now they have MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS not thought of placing them on the Table of AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- the House. Why is it that they have taken TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATY_!- PAL such a long time in placing them on the Table MALIK): On behalf of Shri Mufti Mohammd of the House? Is it because they had set S'ayeed I beg to move: them aside? They should be able to give some explanation to it. "That in pursuance of Sub Section (2) of Section 4 of the Official Languages Act, DR. RAJA RAMANNA: The delay had 1963, the members of Lok Sabha do happened when I was not the Minister proceed to elect, in accordance with the incharge of it now was this Government in system of proportional representation operation at that time. by means of the single transferable vote, two members from among themselves MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: This delay to be a member of the Committee on will be examined by the Committee on Pa- . Official Language vice Shri Ramesh pers Laid on the Table. Chennithala and Shri Ram Punjab Patle resigned from the Committee.· 495 Election to AUGUST 27 1990 Committees 496 MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The ques- bers of this House do proceed to elect, tion is: in such manner as the Speaker may direct, two members from among them- "That in pursuance of Sub Section (2) of selves, to serve as members of the Section 4 of the Official Languages Act, General Council of the Indian School of 1963, the members of Lok Sabha do Mines, Dhanbad, subject to the other proceed to elect, in accordance with the provisions of the said Rules and Regu- system of proportional representation lations." by means of the single transferable vote, two members from among themselves The motion was adopted. to be a member of the Committee on Official Language vice Shri Ramesh u.__Q~ Chennithala and Shri Ram Pujan Patel resigned from the Committee." 12.54 1/2 hrs. The motion was adopted. COMPTROLLER AND AUDITOR GEN- ERAL'S (DUTIES POWERS AND CONDI- (II) General Council of Indian TIONS OF SERVICE) AMENDMENT BILL* School of Mines, Dhanbad - '\.} v-d- : ~ ~t..,~ - ) [English] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI CHIMANBHAI MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS MEHTA): I beg to move:------AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- TRY OF TOURISM (WRI SATYA._PAL "That in pursuance of the provisions MALIK): On behalf of Prof. Madhu Dan- contained in rul~s 4 (ii) to (iv) and 15 of d~1 beg to move for leave to introduce the Rules and Regulations of the Indian a Bill further to amend the Comptroller and School of Mines, Dhanbad, the mem- Auditor-General's (Dpuries, Powers and bers of this House do proceed to elect, Conditions of Service) Act, 1971. in such manner as the Speaker may direct, two members from among them- MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: The ques- selves. to serve as members of the tion is: General Council of the Indian School of Mines, Dhanbad, subject to the other "That leave be granted to introduce a provisions of the said Rules and Regu- Bill further to amend the Comptroller lations." and Auditor General's Duties, Powers and Conditions of Service) Act, 1971." MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question is: Than motion was adopted "That in pursuance of the provisions SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: I introduce"" contained in rules 4(ii) to (iv) and 15 of the Bill. the Rules and Regulations of the Indian School of Mines, Dhanbad, the mem- *Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary. Part II, Section 2 dated 21.8.90 ··Introduced with the recommendation of the President. 497 Matters under BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Rule 377 41)8 12.55 hrs. constituency r-f AJllabad District in particular "Ged attention. This district is a backward MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 area but has rich raw materials for manufac- ture of cement. Coal is available from Sin- (I) Need to repeal or amend the gareni Collieries. There is a heavy traffic ) obsolete provisions of Facto- from the coal mines to Maharashtra and ries Act 1948, coming in the coastal Andhra. The Central Government way OtProgress of women has a plan to connect important industrial ( r-\ '-,) ~ "1-=i?J areas to major cities. There is also a need to ~RI~,4JL [Sh. Ravi Narayan Pani ] utility and importance, the Central Govern- ment has decided to develop it as a counter- House and the Government towards the Magnet City under National Capital Region action of the management of Heavy Water Plan. But this decision has not been imple- Plant at Talcher (Orissa) in ignoring the mented so far. There is a national highway popular trade union functioning in the plant. No. 24 which runs between Delhi and This development is of great public impor- Lucknow. There is very heavy traffic on this tance because serious unrest has been highway. In view of this heavy traffic, it re- created in a vital national Atomic plant by quires to be widened near Bareilly and a by- recognising the unrepresentative body ig- pass to be constructed. An overbridge should noring the popular verdict of the majority of also be provided on Bareilly-Badaun sec- the workers. tion. This is very urgently required. There has been a constant demand by the public The democratically elected majority for this. In the absence of these facilities, group of the Union affiliated to CITU have accidents take place every other day and been agitating peacefully through prolonged driver's time is also wasted. The Govern- dhama since 4th August 1988 demanding a ment is required to issue necessary direc- democratic solution to the problem. They tions for taking up the widening of the na- have made the most reasonable and demo- tional highway and construction of over- cratic suggestion of deciding the matter bridge on Bareilly 8adalUl road immediately. through a secret ballot. But instead of doing C i..- \ I (. "\ so the management has resorted to repres- ~ 0 (vi) Need to provide cooking gas sive methods. I, therefore, urge upon the to the people of Gujarat at Government to and this state of affairs in this cheaper rates (I~ -:;-;- 1 ' vital plant and take steps to restore recogni- , \ \.-:; I tion to the duly and democratically clutched SHRI KASHIRAM CHHABILDAS RANA office bearers of the Union. (Surat): Mr. DeputYSpeaker, Sir, i would like to make a submission under Rule 377. Many ..,,[\ 13.00 hrs,- \ • , ~ \ Gas reserves have been found at various places in Gujarat. The Centre has not been (v) Need to widen National High- fairto Gujarat as far as the price and distribu- .)Dlt...No. 24 passing tnrbDOh tion of gas is concerned. The people of Barellly, Uttar Pradesh and to Gujarat are charged the same rates as are construct a overbrldge on charged from others whereas States of Bihar Bareltly-Badaun F\oad and Madhya Pradesh, where coal is found, \ \ '-' _J t-.- ','-' ) people get electricity at cheaper rates be- [Trans/ation] cause cost of generation of electricity is lower there than that in other States. There- SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR fore, I would like to make a demand that the (Bareilly): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I woma people of Gujarat should be supplied cook- like to make a submission under Rule 3n. ing gas at cheaper rates. In case this is not Bareilly is one of the important ir:tdustrial done, the people of Gujarat will also launch centres of Uttar Pradesh. Apart {rom being a a mass-movement in support of this demand big city there are several industrial units as was done by the people of Assam. Be- located in the city as also fertilizer factory of sides, G. A. I. L 's agency should be scrapped IFFCO, All India Veterinary Research, Insti- and the gas for industrial purposes should be tute Divisional Railway Office of North East- supplied at the rate fixed by the O. N. G. C. ern Railway etc. are also there. In view of its and domestic demand should be met at still 501 Matters under Rule 377 BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Situaton in Punjab 502 lower rate (about Rs. 800). phone facility has a mojor role in the devel- opment of Industry and business in and in (vII) Neec:l to Issue directions to strengthening the economy of the region. Jammu and Kashmir Govern- ment to release salary of Gov- Nagpur Telephone Exchange was con- ernment employees who have verted into Electronic Exchange some time mlgratec:l from Kashmir Valley back and there was hope to the persons who to Jammu ,t :--\ J \2 ~ -, "") ) were in waiting list. The Government has set up the Electronic Exchange and scrapped [English] the earlier one. Due to commissioning of the new Electronic Telephone Exchange at SHRI pIYAR~ _ _b~b. JiAJiQ.Q..Q_ Nagpur, there was hope among the people (Anantnag): Among thousands of migrants who were in waiting list to get the lines, but from Kashmir Valley, there are quite a few now the position is totally reversed. The hundreds who were salaried Government waiting list is mounting day by day. New lines employees of various departments including have not been provided due to which Indus- low-paid police officials and men of fire- try and business development of the city is fighting force. They hadtofleewith members retarded. oftheirfamilies and have now been in Jammu since middle of March, 1990 while State In view of this there is urgency to ex- employees of various departments have been pand the main Nagpur Telephone F'lCchange given their salaries periodically even after immediately by additional 15000 hnes. long delays, these officers of the police and fire-fighting services have not been paid their salary dues since 1.4.1990. They are not entitled to any financial relief since they MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now, we are Government employees. The employ- adjourn for lunch till five minutes past Four- ees have been on hunger strike for quite teen of the Clock. some days now at Jammu and members of their families are on the verge of starvation. 1306 hrs. Directions are required to be issued, to State Government for release of pay for these The LokSabha then adjourned for lunch till starving families immediately to end their five minutes past Fourteen of the Clock agony of these unfortunate citizens of the country. (viii) Need to Increase the capacity The Lok Sabha reassembled after lunch at .J , of Nagpur !!!!Ph.2!:l' ex- nine minutes past Fourteen of the Clock change by 15000 additional lines -(>~7 ") ) [SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE in the l \'-- \ \) "'. Chaitj SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT (Nagpurf~M;' Deputy"SpeaKef,-SIf,f'draw -, RE. SITUATION IN PUNJAB the attention of the House towards the poor performance of the Nagpur Telephone Ex- [English] change. Major part of the development of any region in the country depends upon the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE functioning of the telephone system. Tele- (Bolpur): Madam Chairman, I wish to bring 503 Situaton in AUGUST 27 1990 Punjab 504 [Sh. Somnath Chatterjee] Somnathji that high hopes were raised and a new atmosphere was created after the in- to the notice of this hon. House that more stallation of the new Government. Had ad than thirty thousand people have assembled hoc decisions not been taken and concrete at the Boat Club. They have come from and right steps were taken, the situation Punjab and they are holding a Dharna which would have improved a lot during the last 7- is being organised by the CPI (M) and CPI. 8 months. I am pained to say that the situ- They have demanded an early solution to ation did not improve as was expected rather the serious problem that is facing the people situation in Punjab deteriorated further. The of Punjab and which is not only affecting situation has worsened not only due to kill- peace and normalcy but is also affecting the ings but also due to the ransom and kidnap- unity and integrity of the country. They have pings. As a result, migration from Punjab has also demanded that the Government should again started and a large number of people take up a firm policy and should give up the alongwith their members of family are sitting policy of drift and ad hocism which is only over dharna with heavy heart. They are complicating the situation. Therefore, I demonstrating today. I also associate with demand and I wish to reflect the views of the them and would like to request that the people who are holding the 'dharna' and they Government should stop taking adhoc are genuinely concerned and they are measures and adopt a concrete policy and demanding from the Government an early the border should be sealed. You should solution to this matter. I hope the Govern- protect these people from ransom, kidnap- ment will respond to this. ping and killings. MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Lokanath [English] Coudhury, you wanted to speak on this subject. So, I allow you to make your submis- SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: sion. (Tripura West): Madam, on Punjab issue, our party is always demanding a firm plan of SHRI LOKANATH CHOUDHURY action from this Government. I am glad that (Jagatsinghpur): Madam, on the ddl given today this matter has been raised by Shri by both CPM and CPI parties, about 30,000 Somnath Chatterjee. The Left parties have people have come from Punjab and they always played a very good role. During our have assembled in the Boat Club. They are time also we appreciated their role and our having their 'dharna' and they are demand- leaders have in the past acknowledged it. ing that the Government must immediately Unfortunately, the situation is going worse take a firm policy. The situation in Punjab is day by day and the interference from across getting worse. Punjab issue should be con- the border has increased and the death toll sidered as a national issue. The Govern- is daily raising more than 25. It is a very ment should immediately take note of it. serious situation and Government are not taking any firm action and not discussing [ Translation] with other political parties. I appreciate the movement that has been done today by the SHRI L. K. ADVANI (New Delhi): Madam Left parties. I welcome it. But at the same Chairman, whenever discussions on Punjab time, I would like to urge upon the Govern- took place in the House, I found that my ment to take all the parties into confidence It colleagues belonging to C.P.I.(M) were on is a national issue, not a regional issue and the same wave length as we were. I would it is an All-India issue. Some positive steps like to submit in regard to the issue raised by should be taken so that the situation does 505 Shuaton in BHADRA5,1912(SAKA) Punjab 506 not get worset:1ed in Punjab. tions). Madam Chairman, I wold like particu- larly to urge upon the Government to con- SHRICHITIABASU(Barasat): Madam, vene all-party meeting and not merely a I would like to congratulate the great people meeting of the major political parties to of Punjab who have come all the way from hammer out a possible solution. Much time different parts of India and assembled in the has already been wasted and therefore, I Boat Club to draw the attention of the Parlia- would like to urge upon the Government to ment and also throught the Parliament the come out with a clear-cut policy. nation as a whole that the solution to the Punjab problem does not get further de- layed. SHRI MANDHATA SINGH (Lucknow): Madam Chairman, I associate myself with Madam, as has been pointed by many the sentiments expressed by the leaders of that despite some indication of improvement various pOlitical parties in the House today. about 7 or 8 months. ago, particularly after I wish to underline the fact that since the talk the initiative taken by the Prime Minister of of revival of the State Assembly has begun- the country by visiting Punjab several times, there are legal luminaries also present in this the situation, of late, has further deteriorated House, before the High Court delivers the and it causes great concern to the people of judgment people have already started calcu- the country and of course, great concern to lating the number of Members belonging to all the parties who want that the unity and this group of the Akali Dal or to that group of integrity of the country should be strength- the Akali Dal. There are conjectures going ened, maintained and preserved. and all around as to who will take over the reins of forces which are working against the unity of Administration as Chief Minister and so on, the country are to be defeated. Therefore, whether they would like to go in for coalition Madam, it is very much necessary that the or not. When all this thrash talk is being Government should take fresh initiative to published daily in national newspapers, I bring about the political solution of the pro~ personally feel, and probably most Members lem. Madam, it is nottimetotake much of the of the Janata Dal also feel, as also other time of the House. I allow other distingUished members of the other sections of the HOLlse colleagues to speak. I also urge upon the and essentially I again reiterate what I have Government to see that they take fresh initia- said earlier, this is my personal feeling that tive and along with taking very strong and since this chapter has begun regarding the stern measures to combat the secessionist so-called revival of the Assembly by some forces, some initiative should betaken atthis order of the High Court which is yet to come, stage for the political solution of this prob- that added a new dimension to the problem lem. Thank you. and the aspiring politicians, budding politi- cians, who want to capture seats of powel, are also manipulating things in their own way SHRI INDER JIT (Darjeeling): Madam and they are probably becoming more active Chairman, , join my other friends in the by giving protection or encouragement or House to strongly urge for the need for a abetment to the heinous crimes, call them clear-cut policy on Punjab. (Interruptions). kidnapping or ransom or loot, the talk of the The situation has unfortunately grown ...... , revival of the Assembly by these budding (Interruptions). The situation over the last politicians must come to a halt. few months has become a lot more grave and I would like to urge upon the Govern- ment particularly to convene ..... (/nterrup- ( Interruptions) 507 Prasar Bharati AUGUST 271990 Corp. India) 508 (Broadcasting Bill SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM(Sivaganga): further consideration of the Prasar Bharati What is the idea that the High Court will Bill, Motion for consideration of which was revive the Assembly? moved by Shri Upendra on 21st August 90. SHRI MANDHATA SINGH: Before the SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM (Sivaganga): High Court pronounces the judgment. what Madam, before you call upon the next is the sense? What is that politician talking? speaker, I would like to make one point. Last Who is that politician? Let us identify them, Friday, it was suggested that the Govern- who can pre-judge the decision of the Punjab ment should call us and consider our amend- and Haryana High Court. I am simply hinting ments. The Minister for Information and that this kind of a situation and propaganda Broadcasting was kind enough to call us. We has aggravated the issue in spite of the best discussed with him for about an hour-and-a- intentions of the rulers today and in spite of half. We explained to him each of our amend· the sentiments expressed by the Prime ments. Now, except for a brief telephone call Minister regarding his visit to villages and which he made to some of us yesterday, also about the healing touch. Now, every- where he said they are still considering and body talks about the revival of the 'political there are some difficulties, we do not yet process in Punjab and Kashmir. Let us not have a formal answer from the Government. talk about Kashmir for a while; let us talk only What we read is only in the newspapers that about Punjab. What do you mean by the the Government was not going to accept revival of political exercise? I do not know these amendment and the Government had whether the so-called revival of the Assem- difficulty in accepting those amendments. bly is coming about or not. It is in the womb We expected that there would be a discus- of the future. Who is presuming as to what sion and the entire House said that if the the High Court is going to do? That is the Congress Party wants a discussion, what is current main cause which has aggravated the harm in discussing. Now, we have dis- the situation. I again express my solidarity cussed with the Government; we have ex- with the sentiments expressed by various plained our amendments. Why should the leaders and various sections of the House. I Government fight shy of calling us to tell us would like to suggest that merely by deliver- whetherthey are accepting our amendments ing sentimental and &Ilotional speeches in or not? If they are accepting, they should tell the House, the political process in Punjab us whether they are accepting with or with· cannot begin. Let us muster courage to go to out modifications. Why should we have to every village and township in Punjab with know aboutthem from the newspapers when this message of peace and solidarity and we have briefed them about our amend- without mustering courage on our part, no ments. I think, this is treating us with scant tall talk is going to deliver the goods. respect and treating us with a great deal of casualness. All the parties have supported; Advaniji and Somnathji said that if the Con- gress Party is serious about pressing its 14.22 hrs. amendments, why don't they have a serious discussion? We have had a serious discus- PRASAR BHARATI (BROADCASTING sion. Why can't they give us a serious an- CORPORATION OF INDIA) BILL~ swer? I am told this debate will go upto 4.00 __.. r oA/\. p.m. and at 4.00 p.m. the Kuwait debate will [English1 \..JI""'Y'- start. But, I still think the Government should take us more seriously and consider our MR. CHAIRMAN: Now, we move on to amendments and give us answer to those 509 Prasar Bharati BHADRA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Corp. India) 510 (Broadcasting Bill amendments. After all, these amendments Gandhi." I said, of course, you can see Mr. have been drafted and submitted after very Rajiv Gandhi. But he is iii ..... careful deliberations within our Party. Why should they be rejected out of hand and why SHRI P. UPENDRA: Even this morn- should we be treated with such scant re- ing, they did not respond. (/nteffuptions) spect? I do not understand at all. They have not made up their mind. THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: He very AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF conveniently puts the ball in our court. PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P. UPENDRA): Madam, I had a discussion with SHRI P. UPENDRA: Are you ready? the representatives of the Congress Party Even in the evening, I will sit with you. You on Friday. I told them that I would revert back want to avoid the issue. That is not fair. to them after discussion.among ourselves. I ( Inteffuptions) promptly conveyed our views to Mr. Chidam- baram on telephone and told what we can MR. CHAIRMAN: My I appeal to both accept and what we cannot accept. He prom- the sides. After all, the discussion will not be ised that he would consult his leader last over today. Therefore, let us take up the night and ring me back his reactions. I was discussion and carry it on up to 4 O'clock. waiting for his call the whole night yesterday After that again, you can discuss all these and I did not not get a call from him. After things. having failed to get a reply, I have contacted Mr. Kurien and requested him to give their I hope and believe that since you are all views. After that, I myself tried to see Mr. inter-acting still, the chapter is not closed. Rajiv Gandhi today, to find out this party's Therefore, I will proceed with the debate and views. I was told that he was unwell and he I will call upon Shri Lokanath Chaudhary to was unable to speak and all that. I cannot be speak. I' I;_' blamed for that, if they cannot make up their t:,,.1.,...,,9 f'; - ; mind. SHRI LOKAf':J~TH CHOUDHURY (Jagatsinghpur): Madam Chairman, first of SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I am sorry, all, I thank the Government for bringing for- this requires to be clarified. Mr. Upendra ward the Bi. to give autonomy to the elec- telephoned me to say that he was holding tronic media. Giving autonomy to the media, consultations within Government. They have under the circumstances is urgent. Though some idea about one amendment. So, he the Bill confers some autonomy to the media said, he would come back and tell us in what and have deficiences yet is a laudable move. modified form, he would be able to acdept It creates a basis for autonomy and I think, in that amendment. Regardingthe third amend- course of time. by experience against it will ment, he has got some difficulty~ he is look- be amended and the autonomy will be ing into the matter; regarding the fifth amend- complete . ment, they have not even formed a view. . This is what he said. Then, I said, you for- Moreover. I also thank the Minister mally call us and in the meanwhile we will because he has tried to bring a consensus consult. on this Bill. This was never like this before. The very fact that the Minister agreeing to Where has he called us? After discuss- discuss with the Opposition to bring correc- ing with five or six of us, he telephones once tives ad take the advice of the Opposition- and says: "I would like to see Mr. Rajiv they may accept or may not acdept-but Invit- 511 Prasar Bharati AUGUST 27 1990 Corp. India) 512 (Broadcasting Bill [Sh. Lokanath Choudhurij other positions. As you know. in our society which is full of contradictions. different sec- ing the advice of the Opposition itself is a tions of the society want their position to be good chapter. I think, it is a beginning and let strengthened in the society and they try to us start with this beginning and we will go use the media. In their interest. To protect ahead with this type of attitude. against all abuses, when we think of auton- omy, our autonomy should be to the extent I would also request our friends in the that this media is not abused by those who Opposition to make some suggestions, tak- are opposed in one way or the other to the ing all factors into consideration because principles enshrined in our Constitution along they had the experience of utilising the med ia, with the Directive Principles of State Policy. not for the Government but for them as party So, keeping this in view and taking our in power. I differentiate-just like Mr. Upendra society as it stands today, we have to con- differentiates between censoring and edit- sider from which position the media should ing-between the Party and the Govern- be protected so that it is not misused but ment. But unfortunately, the Congress friends used to strengthen democracy and social- who were in the Government never differen- ism and to our democracy. It should be kept tiated between the Gov~rnment and their in mind that abuses can come from the Party. So, they always thought that they commercial houses, from big business, from were the Government and they were the the dominant classes in the society to incite Party. So, the media had become an instru- communal passions and abuses ran come ment of a particular party. Therefore, the from vested interests who are detnmental to necessity for making the electronic media our democracy. free from a particular Party which was in the Government assumed great importance. The objectives for which the media will Before the elections, all the parties in the work have been defined in Clause 12 though country jlromised the people to make the there are deficiencies. But I would take this electronic Media autonomous. Before say- opportunity to say that along with other ing something on what should be the limit of abuses, we always expect the abuse from autonomy, I want to say that today in our the bureaucracy. We have taken many good country, the newspaper media is mostly held measures in our country. Most of the good in the hands of big businessmen. They al- measures have been distorted and have not ways try to give information, educate the worked because the bureaucracy distorts people in their own interest. and they have greater power in our adminis- trative set up. The bureaucracy was created In this context, the importance of the by Lord Hastings and you know what sort of electronic media is very great. It has more man he was. He has laid down the basis of coverage and it is interesting to the common Indian bureaucracy which was within the people because you know most people are framework. But still after that, what are the illiterate and so they can learn more from the mistakes that we have committed by not electronic media. They can be informed and making social and administrative reforms? educated by the electronic media than by the So, the bureaucracy may also distort all the press. I am not speaking from the party things that we desire to achieve through this position. The media has so tar been vulner- act. While tel\ing this, \ would 'ike to say that able to focus the different interests of our the present Bill has been brought forward society and, therefore, the abuse of media is after a great deal of consultation. It has !)ot only from the Government side. There is limitations. I have said that it has got defi- the danger of its being abused from many ciencies. In our province there is a saying 513 Prasar Bharati BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Corp. India) 514 (Broadcasting Bill that when there is no maternal uncle, even a Secondly, we have decided to form a blind maternal uncle is accepted. In this Committee to nominate Governors the Vice connection I want to bring some features of Chairman will be the Vice President. But the Bill. Now, I would like to touch on the there is a suggestion that the Chairman of Board of Governors. As per this Bill, there the Press Council should be the Chairman of will be 11 persons in the Board of Governors. this nominating Board. I think it is better if the As far as the Board and the persons working Vice President is made the Chairmen. The in the media are concerned, there is no concept of the Committee, which will nomi- organic link. This is a set up which is an nate the Board of Governors, is reasonable. example of beaurocratic set up. There is the There should not be any change in it. But one danger that the media will not develop. thing should be there. What would be the Therefore, the organic link is required. I think mechanism, what would be the nodality by the Government, which is advocating the which the Members will be nom inated should workers participation in the management, also be clarified. You are tailing about the has forgotten to accomodate the employ- Executive Governor. Who will be the Execu- ees, who are working in the media, in the tive Governor? The qualification of Execu- Board of Governors. As you know, we sup- tive Governor has been defined keeping port the Government. We have different only a bureaucrat in mind. I think, there perceptions and different programr1'les. We should be an improvement in that and so that do not want this Govt to implement our peoplefrom other fields should also havethe programmes. We support you that you will chance to become the Executive Governor honestly implement your programmes. The and the modalities for nominating the Mem- National front has in its programme declared bers should also be worked out. If the mo- the participation of workers in the manage- dalities are not worked out properly, then ment. There was a time when it was not there is apprehension that again it in the necessary to have the workers participation bureaucrats who will rule. in the management. But today, with the scientific and technological revolution, it is The Government has said that in the the worker whose mind works, whose intel- original Bill here is a provision that there will ligence works. He is not a mere physical be a Broadcasting Council. I welcome that worker. So, how can you assimilate him? the Broadcasting Council has been opposed. You cannot assimilate the worker by keep- I thank the Minister that he has changed it. In ing him away from the Board of Governors- the original Bill it was mentioned 'in consul- I mean the artists and the employees. There- tation with the Chairman'. Now it has been fore I would suggest to the hon. Minister that changed. It is a welcome step. Instead of he should accept that at least two of the 'consulting the Chairman', it will be rather Members of the Board of Governors must be better it a Committee is set up like other from among the employees and artists. This Committee consisting of Members of the is a vital thing which wiN ensure the demo- Public Service Commission and other people cratic functioning of the Corporation. If you and also nom inating some Vice-Chancellors want the Corporation to be democratic, it you as Members of the Broadcasting Council. want to protect the interests of the people What will be the powers of the Broadcasting and it you want that it should wark in the Council? desired direction, then it is necessary that representatives of the employees and the When there will be difference, when artists must be there in the Board of Gover- Governors will return the noting giving rea- nors. I would request the Government to sons, I think, there should be a provision that accept this suggestion. when the recommendations of the Broad- 515 Prasar Bharat; AUGUST 27 1990 Corp. India) 516 (Broadcasting Bill [Sh. Lokanath Choudhurij about the transfer of the property of the broadcasting corporation. There may be casting Council are rejected, that should some changes. Different propositions may also be announced, that should also be be tried; but the Govt. must finance the broadcasted and thereby people will know Corporation besides the income it will be everything. That way, the Board of Gover- from. Sources that is given in the Bill. All the nors will function under the full view of the Hardware of Doordarshan will be handed Public and the people will now how the over to the corporation on lease basis. Government is working. I think, here the provision should be changed. While welcoming it I will commend the Minister that in bringing this Bill forward he About removal or suspension of the has definitely done a good thing. But if he Board. There was a provision which has now does not change it as I said earlier, if it is used been amended. It is a welcome step. But the by the party in power, if he allows it to be used Board can only be superseded not by the by the commercial houses, if he allows it to Parliament, having two-third majority. be used for communal purposes, the worst will take place. Against all these possible The time for Broadcasting for commer- dangers in our society, there are so many cial Houses should be fixed in the Act and contradictions, So there is a need to strike that should not be more than 5% of the total out a balance and getting the society trans- broadcasting time. Once you do not fix the formed in the direction as enshrined in the timing, you leave it to the Broadcasting Constitution and its Directives Principles for Corporation. Hhere is a possibility of abuse which the media will educate, curtain, inform after by the monopoly houses. Therefore, and motivate our great people. we are of the serious view that there should be a definite time limit for advertisement for With these words, I thank you for giving the commercial houses. There should be me the time. l --" . ""! another provisi9n in the Ad. that the prime ~! _..... --- ¥' time should not be given to them. There '-J should be another provision in the Act is that SHRI S. KRISH_t:J,f' _KUMAS (QuiJon): what is broadcasted that should be consis- Madam, I beg to oppose this Bill to the extent tent with the democratic, secular and social- to which it goes beyond the genuine require- Istic values which are enshrined in the Con- ments of functional autonomy and takes this • stitution. If that is not there, there is a possi- powerful media outside the influence and bility of its being again abused. So, with all control of not only the political executive, but the corrections that have come, I know there also of the sovereign Parliament and the Is a view now that there should be privatisa- people. I oppose the bill because theoreti- tlon and private houses will be given the cally at least the political executive or the licence to have the broadcasting. I think it is Government on India. seems to abdicate its the most dangerous proposition. It will lead responsibility of utilising powerful medium of 10 privatization. The Doordarshan cannot be the people as an instrument of nation build- handed overtothe monopoly houses. I know ing, for social-economic development, for those who are advocating this idea. It should building a modern socialistic welfare state- be rejected and should not be accepted and they are attempting to create a private because it is not is the interest for which the fiefdom of a coterie of individuals called the broadcasting and Doordarshan should work. Governors whom they seek to invest them with unbridled power without even a sem- My next point is about the finances, blence of accountability to the Parliament. 517 Prasar Bharati BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Corp. India) 518 (Sroadcasting SRI It requires no clairvoyance to foresee you. He is packing every single current af- that the new Prasar Bharali is going to sink fairs programme of Doordarshan and All into a morass of uncontrollable inefficiency India Radio with his apologists. He has al- and corruption. . ready made a Prachar ShararI' out of the media. Here is an I & B Minister who is What the Janata Dal seems to do is personally subverting the freedom and au- possibly best summarised by one of their tonomy of the media and the people's rightto own mentors and or acts. Shri Morarji Desai, information. who speaking on the autonomy of the media said, 'one should not go from the frying pan Today, we have heard from the news- to the fire; a corporation can also be com- papers that the Cabinet Sub-Committee, pletely destructive' November 4th, 1977. which was forme~ as one of the first acts of this Government for considering citizen's Is the intention of this Government in right of Freedom of Information Act, has bringing the Prasar Bharatl Bill bona-fide? been disbanded by this Government. This is , We are all aware, it is not the structure of the the attitude of this Governmenttowards free- corporation but the attitude towards fairplay dom of information. in the media; it is not the letter of the law but the spirit in which the media is managed The Government's intention is very clear. which is relevant in ensuring that the media They want to give the Prasar Bharati a ve- conforms principles of justice and fairplay neer of autonomy and respectability. But especially when it is portraying news and they want to pack the Governing Body with current events. Much is made out of the fellow-travellers, henchmen and hangers- model of the British Broadcasting Corpora- on. They want to run the media by proxy tion. In actual fact, the assets of the BBC are without having to answer anybodY,lncluding owned by the British Government. The Home Members of Parliament or the public. The Secretary of UK has enormous powers with intention is confidence trickery. The inten- respect to the BBC. But by convention, by tion is to commit a phenomenal fri!ud on the tradition, they do not use them. ~Iso, the people. BBC's reputation was built brick by brick by the first legendary Governor, Lord Reeth, The stand of the Congress Party about who created tradition, who set the norms for this Bill is clear. It has been only presented to operation of the BBC, who withstood parti- the House by my han. senior colleague, Shri san political interference. What do we have Vasant Sathe. It is a tribute to the vision of here? Do we think that Mr. Upendra is the Indiraji and our leader Shri Rajiv Gandhi that herald of a new era of media freedom in this in the last decade, All India Radio and Door- country? darshan infrastructure has been built up into one of the foremost broadcasting organisa- What is the track record of this Govern- tions in the world. In the Seventh Plan itself, ment in the last eight months in dealing with infrastructure of All India Radio was doubled the media? This Government has indulged from 90 to 180 transmitting ·stations. The in for crass, blatant misuse of the media for infrastructure of Doordarshan was trebled partisan political propaganda. These Khula from 171 transmitting stations to 520 sta- Manchsrs have thrown all sense of objectiv- tions. We believe that this massive infra- ity and truth to the winds. Here is an Informa- structure built with the people's money should tion and Broadcasting Minister who censors t?~ utilised for spreading literacy and for the his own Cabinet colleagues, and this is a task of human resources development, for subject-matter of a privilege motion before achieving participation of the people in build- 519 Prasar Bharati AUGUST 27 1990 Corp. India) 520 (Broadcasting Bill [Sh S. Knshna Kumar] ogy. He said: "It would be better If we have a semi-autonomous corporation under, of Ing a socialist State. We believe that In a course, Government With a policy controlled parliamentary democracy, this task should by Government but otherwise not conducted be led by the political executive of whatever as Government Department" ThiS IS hiS hue, whether It IS the Congress or the Janata words on 15th March, 1948 When Mr Sathe Dal, whoever gets elected by the people, It IS said yesterday that the media should be their pohtlcal mandate and through the Im- owned by Government, he was reflecting plementation of this mandate, th~ country thiS vIsion Madam, the Bill bristles With has to be carned forward and the media has Inflrmrtles and defiCienCies The main infir- to be legitimately used for this Even the mity, according to me, IS that there IS no Verghese Committee said, "Absolute auton- provISion In the Bill to make the Governors omy IS not conceivable In the context of conform to our national priorities and obJec- national planning n We beheve that the fun- tives When I say national priorities and damental responsibility of the elected repre- obJectives, I am taking a non-partisan pos- sentatives should not be diluted or abdi- ture where the consensus IS for secularism, cated There was even a mention even from the consensus IS to fight against communal- that Side that the MInistry of Information and Ism and the consensus In bUilding a SOCialist Broadcasting should be extingUished and welfare state In thiS country There IS no the whole field has to be actually handed constructive role for the political executive In overto media persons Madam, If they carry the Bill For example, If the Governing body, forward thiS logiC, then why can't they extin- In ItS Wisdom, deCides to de-emphaSise any gUish the Ministry of Education and hand Vital national programme of Government like over the field of education to educationists, that of empowerment of women, family wel- hand over the Industry to industrialists and fare programme, maternal and child health, multinationals? The Government of India anti-poverty programme or any other legiti- has a cardinal role to play In carrying thiS mate programme, then where IS the provI- nation forward and thiS Bill abdicates thiS sion In thiS Bill which can make thiS Govern- responsibility as far as the Government media Ing body conform to our priorities? I say that IS concerned That IS why we always beheve there IS no provIsion In the Bill and It has that If anybody In thiS House or outSide been emphaSised by fellow members from advocates that there IS a public morality In the left Supposing they want to de-empha- thiS country which IS higher than the morahty sise educational programmes and want to of the elected representatives of the people, Increase advertisements or give a free run to then any sense of Justice above the sense of the multi-nationals, then does It does not Justice of the elected representatives and come Within the ambltof misconduct or moral the pohtlcal executives, so long as they do turpitude? In such a case, there IS no way out not act Within the Constitution and Law, IS a In which thiS Governing body can be made to dangerous theSIS which IS antithetical to the conform to our national SOCIO economic Pri- very survival of democracy In thiS country Orities That IS why, Congress Party IS only for functional autonomy and not for divesting The Information and Broadcasting Min- the electronic media totally of the direction Ister was uttering falsehood when he stated and control of Parliament and the Execu- that the Bill prOVides for adequate control by tives I would hke to quote the words of Parliament over Prasar Bharatl If the Mem- Jawaharlal Nehru and we stand by Nehru's bers ask questions about the media, whIch IS "Islon about the media Nehru's vIsion and our Inalienable right, then the Minister can deology are now becoming the globalldeol- very \.' all say that he cannot answer as 521 Prasar Bharati BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Corp. India) 522 (Broadcasting Bill Prasar Bharati is outside the control of the for subversion in Kashmir and Punjab. This Government or that he has to collect infor- Government through this Bill wants to hand mation and so on. Prasar Bharati is not over the external broadcasting also without bound to give any information within any any control whatsoever to these eleven wise time limit. As Mr. Sathe said, we can only men, these eleven super Ministers called express our dissatisfaction. Let me state Governors unaccountable to Parliament. another situation. A couple of years ago, in power when we were in power, Members of And what about the possibility of sub- the Eighth Lok Sabha would at least remem- version and infilteration into these powerful ber that the Parliament" News slot was media by foreign intelligence agencies such changed from prime time to some other time. as CIA? Do you think that it is beyond the There was a hue and cry in this Parliament realm of possibility? If there is anybody who and the Government was made to.restore has studied the destabilization of countries the timing and the importance of the Parlia- in Latin America and the Third world, it is ment news. If the proposed Governing body entirely within the realm of possibilities that of this Corporation decides to de-emphasise the organizations as such CIA can buy up the Parliament News and takes it away from the Executive Governor or the handful of the prime slot, then what is the remedy in this Governors without our knowing. One day we Bill? There is no remedy at all. They say that would wake up and see that this powerful the Bill has been fashioned after the BBC medium which was so far under the Central Act. I am quoting Clause 13(2) of Licence Government has been inflate rated top to under which the BBC functions. It says: "The bottom by these agencies. Where is the Corporation shall broadcast an impartial safeguard in this Bill against something like account day by day prepared by profes- this happening? sional reporters of the proceedings of both Houses of Parliament." The B. G. Verghese concept of trustee- ship is absent in the Bill. Here the trusteeship 15.00 hrs. as well as the day-today management of the Parsar Bharati has been telescoped with the This is the British Broadcasting licence result that the Ombudsman function or the condition. Where is the corresponding safe- guardian function which was expected of the guard for Parliament in this Bill? They are trustees would be extinguished and the power taking this powerful media through their of the Executive Governors would be dan- shortsightedness beyond the control of gerously enhanced. Shri Sathe had empha- Parliament, abridging the rights of individual sised that no autonomy is being given to the Members as well as the whole Parliament. Directors-General of the electronic media. The seniormost officers who have grown up Another vital lacuna in the Bill is with with the media, Doordarshan and All India reference to external broadcasting. We are Radio, are going to be simply subordinates aware that the external broadcasting is an of these Governors Boards; outside the important function of Government, linked to Governing Boards. They are not members of our foreign. policy imperative. Information the Board. The Thirty-eight thousand work aggression is taking place all over the world force is going to be dis-empowered, not by the developed countries, for instance by powered; the engineers, the programmers, the United States against Cuba from Florida the professionals are not going to be in- coast. We ourselves in India are facing infor- vested with additional powers. On the other mation aggression from Pakistan in our hand the power that they now have is being border areas and they are using their media taken away. The Congress Government can 523 Prasar Bharat; AUGUST 27 1990 Corp. India) 524 (Broadcasting Bill [Sh. S. Krishna Kumar] Mr. Upendra, has of course, discussed with us but he has not come forward with any be proud that under them the Directors concrete response to our requests. We are General of Ooordarshan and All India Radio for constructive cooperation. We are for functional autonomy. The amendments which were some of the most powerful Heads of have been moved by me, by Mr. Chidamba- Departments of the Govemm'ent of India. ram and Mr. Madhav Rao Scindia have been Normally, in the Government the Head of the moved on behalf of the Party after a great Department cannot transfer his immediate deal of discussion within the party. Madam, subordinate. This power is vested with the these amendments are reasonable. They Government, but the Director Madam, we need a stricter proviSion for We would beseech Mr. Upendra and external broadcasting. It may be handled by the Government to consider our Amend- the Prasar Bharti but its planning and control ments dispassionately and accept them. If should remain with the Government. they do not andtryto steamroller this Bill with all its infirmities, they will be doing incalcu- lable harm to the electronic media and the Much ado has been made of our shai! nation's vital interest. They will be releasing amendment, the enabling provision for an evil gene in the procession of injuries, his competition. It should not be taken to mean is a minority Government-minorityGovern- that we are advocating privatisation. Even ment according to Mr. Advani also. It is now under the Indian Telegraph Act, under inflicting on this nation, in the train of price which licence has been given to A.I.R. and rise, in the disastrous economic manage- Doordarshan. It is within the competence of ment, in the train of a caste war, they have the Governmentto give broadcasting licence unleashed on this nation, in the religious and to any social service organisation. linguistic fanaticism they are storing. One 527 Prasar Bharati AUGUST 27 1990 Corp. India) 528 (Broadcasting Bill [Sh. S. Krishna Kumar) working in the media now. Let me also say that this also concerns us. But, at the same more thing will be added, i.e. destruction of time, I want to say that we have found from electronic media, which was built up overthe experience that simply if electronic media last forty years. are kept under Government control, com- mercialization cannot be prevented. The They is a famous statement of Winston tyranny of big business interests, multi-na- Churchil during the Second World War about tionals, cannot be prevented simply if Gov- valour of the pilots of the Royal Air Force: ernment control is there. That has been our experience in the past. "That England owed so much to so few people in so little a time." In the past, we have seen an unholy three-cornered alliance between the Gov- If I make a parody, this nation is going to ernment machinery, the ruling party and the say when they make an assessment, when big business interests. So, there has been they make an analysis, a historical judg&- autonomy, an autonomy for a very small ment on the Janata Dal Rule, that never in minority indeed. The people at large, the the history of India. has so much harm been people of this country have remained largely donetothe country by so few men, in so little invisible and inaudible. The electronic media time. have not been used for their benefit. So, it is more autonomy for the people that we want. 15.15 hrs. We know it is very difficult to break thiS three- cornered alliance that I have been speaking [SHRI NIRMAl KANTI CHATTERJEE in on. It is well nigh impossible. But we want to /" .~, ~\ .." the Chailj drive a small wedge somewhere in this alli- '--, . "/ ance; and if this present Government and if SHRIMATI MAlINI. .!lliATIACHARYA the present ruling party is amenable to this, (Jadavpur): Madarn;-chairperson, I rise to I thank them for it. I thank them, because support this Bill with some important modifi- they have come forward to regulate to a cations. let us start by saying that we are not certain extent this possibility of an unholy enamored of autonomy per S9, autonomy for alliance between Government machinery, the electronic media is an abstract idea. But big business interest and the ruling party. If we are trying to understand the implications they have come forward to do this, that effort of autonomy for the electronic media in a is to be welcomed. particular context, in the context of a country, which is poor, a country which is under- I would also recall here, since electronic developed, a country which suffers from media are of the range of what we might call unever developments. We are trying to a consciousness-producing industry, what understand the implications of an autono- has been said in the Haksar Committee mous Corporation for electronic media in Report, about the generation of cultural val- this country. ues. The Haksar Committee Report also knows the predominance ofthe markettorces Now, it has been said by the han. in the generation of cultural values; and it Members of the Opposition that if Govern- says: ment control is taken away, there is a danger of commercialisations. "The market needs to be tamed, and harnessed to serve the interest of man, let me start by saying that we are en- nature and society." tirely aware of this danger. We are ourselves very much concerned with this danger. They We agree with this recommendation, and we a have spoken about the possibility of giving are concerned that the new Act should rep- more freedom to the 34,000 employees resent autonomy from a tyranny which al- 529 Prasar Bharati BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Corp. India) 530 (Broadcasting Bill ready existed in the electronic media for certain responsibility, and in order to fulfil this some time, and a tyranny which has worked responsibility it is supplying funds. This is through Government. why we feel that certain constitutional guar- antees, certain constiutional ideals have to Autonomy in the sense in which I am be accepted by this Corporation as well; this speaking of it, is not opposed to the use of is why we have suggested that lines 30-31 Government funds for the Corporation. In on page 9 where it is said "That Corporation the Financial memorandum of the Bill, it has must not advocate any opinion or ideology of been said that the Corporation must gradu- its own" should be dropped. Of course, our ally reduce dependence on the budgetary nation does have a certain ideology of its support of the Government. own--democratic, secular, social ideology- and that must be propagated. Now this may have some sense in our present context, in our present social con- So, one of the amendments that we text where it is said that the government is have brought forward is to preserve the pre- really constrained for funds. So, out of dire eminence of govefnmentfundrng. It has been necessity, the government itself has to mentioned by the earlier speaker that at explore other sources of funding. Thus, we present the outlay of the government is Rs. find that while we think that education should 463.45 crores. The gross amount of money be completely in the public sector, it sll.ould coming from commercial advertisements is be subSidised completely by the govern- Rs. 230 crores. Now if the predominance of ment, in actuality, we cannot altogether re- governrnent funding has to be maintained, Ject private funding of education. So, out of we must also ask from what sources the dire necessity, government might say that government may fund this sector. In this th~ Corporation for electronic media may case, the possibility of reviving the licence have to tap other sources of funds. But I want fee need not be ruled out; we can consider to stress that government funding should graded licensing for radio, a certain degree have a predominant role as it still has in of licence fee for black and white TV set. education. This search, this exploration for funds from private sources should not be The maximum licence fee rr"'ly be there done in the name of autonomy. In other for colour television sets. But this hdS to be words, it should not be said, simply if govern- seriously considered. And there must be not ment funding is taken away then there will be only a limiting of time from commercial ad- more autonomy. After all, government money vertisements, but also a limiting offunds. We is public money. If the government abdicates have said that the maximum funds which the its responsibility of supplying certain basic Government can take from commercial public services to the people, then what will advertisements must be speciiied in the rules. ensue is not autonomy but a complete slav- Also, as far as time is concerned, the time ery to big business and to the multi-nationals given to commercial advertisements must in our country. So, we don't want the govern- be limited and this delimitation must be done ment to abdicate its responsibility so far as not only in the totality ofthetime available but this very important public service is con- also segmentally. Because, while we find cerned. It is not a sector which is meant to that if we take the totality of programmetime, generate profit; it is mean to be a public really the time taken by commercial adver- service. There is a saying in English that "He tisements is not very great; yet at certain who Paysthe Pipercalisthetune."This is not peak hours we find that the rate of commer- an attitude which should be taken in regard cial advertisements rises even up to 20 to 25 to government funding of electronic media. per cent. That is why we have suggested that Government is supposed to have control time should be limited both in the totality and over media because it is supplying funds; segmentally. this should not be the attitude; rather the government supplies funds because it has a Thirdly, the programmes which are to 531 Prasar Bharati AUGUST 27 1990 Corp. India) 532 (Broadcasting Bill [Shrlmati Malini Bhattacharya) dropped. Now we think that some arrange- ment for supersession of the Board in certain be sponsored by the commercial advertisers extreme cases has to be there, but the should not be completely under the control of ultimate responsibility for supersession must the sponsors. In other words, these com- not lie with the Government but with Parlia- mercial companies have their own ideas of ment. We also feel that when the Govern- what is saleable. The Corporation should not ment demands information, the sources of give in to their idea of what is easily saleable. information must be protected as in the case of the press. Educational and informative pro- grammes made independently must also be We have also talked about employees' sponsored. Again, there is an overwhelming representation and staff artistes' represen- number of advertisements of consumer tation. There is one clause on page 91ines 10 goods. Advertisement ot consumer goods to 18, where certain rather arbitrary meas- affecting only a very small minority of our ures about the dismissal or demotion of population, such advertisements should be employees have been stated. Now even if curtailed. this has something to do with the forma! rules of the Government, I think, these formal Of course, the programmes which rules have to be altered in the interest of emphasise the diversity of our national cul- employees. No employee ought to be sacked tUfe also must be sponsored. or demoted without any enquiry being con- ducted against him or her. The Corporation, should of course have the final say in these matters, but-there is a Now I come to my final point. Hence, I but here-the Corporation also, as an au- disagree with the Opposition entirely. They tonomous body, may not be able to retain its have suggested the dropping of the Broad- autonomy; it may also give in to certain casting Council altogether because they have external influences. This, we have already said that it has no teeth. Now if it has noteeth, found in the case of various autonomous it should be given more teeth. There is no research institutes and cultural organisa- reason why it should be dropped. Some tions. We have found how these become people have said that to give the BrLJ.ldcast- small empires ruled over by a small coterie ing Council more teeth would mean having a of vested interests and Government money dual authority, no one would know whether is wasted and mismanaged in these insti- more power is vested in the Corporation or tutes. This is why we have been very specific more power is vested in the Broadcasting and here we agree with the Members of the Council. Now here again, I should say that Opposition that there has to be parliamen- the Broadcasting Council should not have tary accountability and on this my party col- the decisive power over the Corporation but league will be speaking; so, am not elaborat- the matter has to be brought to the Parlia- ing this point. However, I think, that there are ment and it is the Parliament which will certain other ways in which possible arbi- decide whether the Corporation has trans- trariness, possible bureaucraism and pos- gressed its limits or not. However, the Broad- sible coterie rule within the Corporation may casting Council is the only means of contact be prevented. with the public that we have in this Bill, the direct means of contact with the grassroots. On the one hand we find that there is a Not just Members of the parliament, but welcome move on the part of the Govern- ordinary men in the street also can come to ment that certain clauses by which the the Broadcasting Council and complain. So, Government might have breathed down the it can serv.,; as the eyes and the ears of the neck of the Corporation have been removed. Corporation. It can prevent the Corporation For instance, Clause 19 has been revised. from remaining immured within itself. I think, Then, the supersession clause has been in our amendments we have added certain 533 Prasar Bharati BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Corp. India) 534 (Broadcasting Bill clauses, whereby the recommendations of impression given all through the campaign the Broadcasting Council will have to be and even in the course of the press briefing brought before the Parliament and the Cor- was that the Congress Party also was in poration will have to answer if it has not favour of an autonomous Corporation, abided by the recommendations. it must whereas the text does not quite indicate that. give reasons. So, the Broadcasting Council As I sale, Shri Vasant Sathe began his should remain and should be strengthened speech by sauing that there is no difference as a forum for the people to exert their of opinio'1 that the media should be autono- pressure. mous. He quoted his manifesto, he quoted the Janata Dal or the National Front mani- I agree with some Members of the festo, he quoted my Party's manifesto, may Opposition who have said that there is a very be the CPM manifesto and also several grave danger with which we are confronted other manifestoes. He quoted to say that on today, that is the danger of cultural imperial- the question of autcnomy itself, we do not ism. Media has become a worldwide affair, a disagree. Having saidthis I am notquiteable worldwide network in which naturally ad- to understand the various positions that have vanced capitalist countries, multinational been taken by the Party between 1989 and companies have a great stranglehold. We 1990. do find this worldwide network importing media software continually to poorer coun- Shri Krishna Kumar, who is not here at tries. There are good programmes. There the moment, tried to explain away the amend- are ordinary programmes. There are bad ment that has been given notice of by Shri P. programmes. Butthefactofthe matter is that Chidambaram, which stands at Serial information comesfromthesesources, these Number 300, in which Shri Chidambaram agencies, as structured information and a has said: process of brain washing inevitably goes on. So, the point is that the Corporation may be '1hat notwithstanding anything con- the channel for this but if the control remains tained in this Act or in any other law Tor with the Government entirely-we have seen the time being in force, the Central that this can happen-the Government also Government may entrust to any per- can become a channel for such cultural son or authority any functions t:lltrusted imperialism. to the Corporation under this Act and such person or authority shall have the The only safeguard against this is the right to organise and conduct public people and we want Prasar Bharati to pro- broadcasting services subject to the mote indigenous software industry to be of conditions of the licences granted in the people,Jo}or the people and by the people. that behalf and such persons or au- A ~ \...\x thority may also be required to observe ~ " J S-HRt-L.K. ADVANI (New Delhi): Mr. such a direction as the Central Gov- Chairman, Sir, tnsetOSupport the Prasar ernment may give in order to inform, Bharati Bill and commend it to the House educate and entertain the people or to with all the emphasis atmycommand.1 would ensure a balanced development of particularly commend it to my friends in the broadcasting the radio and television." Opposition, who in their 1989 manifesto, for the first time in the history of the Congress If this amendment is not a plea for promised the people that they too stand for privatisation of broadcasting network in In- an autonomous Corporation though on dia, what is it? I can completely respect the closely looking at the manifesto, I found that view, the view point of a person who favours the word 'autonomous' has been omitted as privatisation of the network. That is one view. an epithet from the word Corporation. , have Whereas what Shri Krishna Kumar Ji said a manifesto with me here and I found that the today or what substantially Sathe Ji said the 'autonomous' word was not there though the other day, amounted to opposing autonomy 535 Prasar Bharati AUGUST 27 , 990 Corp. Inella) 536 (Broadcasting Bill [Sh. L.K Advanl] government on the question of Prasar Sharatl and on the question of autonomy Krishna as such and Insisting that the present gov- Kumar was asking about the track record of ernmental control over the electronic media thiS Government, eight months old Govern- should continue, otherwise these 11 wlse- ment. men, whom Shrl P Upendra IS gOing to appoint and whom he IS gOing to make super AN HON MEMBER' Khula Manch ministers and whom he IS gOing to make 11 Upendras', they will play havoc With the SHRI L K ADVANI' KhuJa Manch I said country (Interruptions) myself IS mdenfenslble But I can pomt out hundred Khula Manchs so far as your Gov- TIll now my experience has been that no ernment IS concerned. one wants to give away powers and here Shn Upendra, In his very Wisdom or what- SHRI P CHIDAMBARAM: In ten years ever mood he IS In, IS In a mood to give away anything .. (Interruptions) SHRI L K AOVANI.I need not go Into It because the track record of one Emergency SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE and the role that you had durrng that penod, (Bolpur\ Mood of :'enlgn dispensation IS suffiCient to tell the whole country that It IS only when thiS Government and the media IS SHRI L K. AOVANI Yes, benign mood broken that there can be some democracy In the country SHRI P. CHIOAMBARAM AdvanlJI, he wants to set up eleven Upendras who are not AN. HON MEMBER: Where IS Mr. answerable He wants to rule by proxy If one Shukla? Upendra IS answerable, he Will be grilled In Parliament Privilege Motion Will be against SHRI L.K. ADVANI I am not answer- him. So, he wants to set up ten Upendras able for anyone, I am answerable for there. And do you know whom he has In myself ... (/nt9rruptlons) Mr. Chairman, I am mind for Governors? Two years on deputa- not gOing through the amendments now tion, no employee of the Corporation because the amendments can be Interpreted In hundred ways. But what IS the rationale of SHRI L.K. AOVANI. Mr Chldambaram, the amendments? Here I have With me the am not Yleldrng Perhaps someone re- InterView given by the leader of the OPPOSI- minded me- Krishna KumarJI himself-that tion, Mr RajlvGandhltoSunday, In which he you addressed thiS Government as a minor- IS asked about Doordarshan and Prasar Ity Government. It IS a statement of Bharatl ... (/nterruptions} fact. .. (ImerruptJons) SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: That SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: We are glad Juvenile speech? you recognised It after nine months. SHRI l.K. ADVANI: No, It is an inter- SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I WIsh you went View, It IS not a speech. He has asked about through my fIrst speech. When I spoke In thiS the Prasar Bharatl Bill and the reply Mr. Rajiv House why my Party IS giVing support to thiS Gandhi has given is: "What they are now Government, at that pOint also I emphaSIsed proposing In the Prasar Sharati Bill IS a total thiS particular aspect very strongly. whIch I capitulation of Doordarshan. It is absolutely generally emphaSise. Whenever the Gov- against the Preamble of the Bill. --which ernment goes wrong, I would like to empha- means that you agree with the Preamble of sise that, not on an occasion of thiS kind the BIII-'What we need here is to open up where I think it IS your track record whICh has T.V. Broadcasting to private Indian chan- gIven a near unanImous support to this nels. The formula can be the U.S. formula or 537 Prasar Bharati BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Corp. India) 538 (Broadcasting Bill the British formula. In fact, I have forced an laid down for the employees of that Corpora- Amendment in the Prasar Bharati Bill. Chi- tion". Now, this was the stipulation contained dambaramji has put it in to bring this aboUt." in the letters of appointment given to AIR Frankly, Chidambaramji, I am unable to officials at that time and perhaps even till understand. It is baffling how, on the one today, I do not know. So, the point is that hand, you oppose the Governmental control when Nehruji spoke about this, it was his over Prasar Bharati or Akashvani and Door- considered view that he expressed and he darshan to be broken, as is proposed in the went on to say ''the country is not ready as Prasar Bharati Bill ... (interruptions) yet". Then in 1964, after Panditji's death, Shastriji became the Prime Minister and SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: We do not Shrimati Indira Gal1dhi was appointed Infor- oppose it. mation & Broadcasting Minister and it was she who set up the Chanda Committee to go SHRI L.K. ADVANI: You are opposing into this particular question. Apart from other totally. You see what Krishna Kumar Ji has issues connected with the functioning of the said that the Government is totally removing broadcasting network, the Chanda Commit- the control the . Government tee came out with an excellent report on ~ad ... (Interruptions) Radio and TV in which they strongly com- mended that the All India Radio and the AN HON. MEMBER: Satheji said. TV-TV was in its infancy at that time- should be converted into an autonomous SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I am afraid, you are Corporation. And it gave a very weighty tying yourself up Into knots. Both these view- reasons and the suggestions were akin to points can have their logic and rationale. You what have bgen in the Prasar Bharati Bill. 7 are opposed to it. And even Nehruji, who wise men were conceived, not 11, at that was the first to talk about BBC, talk about time. At that time the Chanda Committee autonomy. It was way back in 1948 that even suggested that it should be by the Chief Nehruji said ... (lnrerruptions) Justice or by some other bodies, this and that. They said: "No, it is not necessary. The SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Semi-au- Government can be trusted. T~e Govern- tonomous body mentshould appoint all these Direclu' s. There is no reason why there should be a special body for the appointment of these". And they SHRI L.K. ADVANI: Yes, he said semi- recommended that it should be run entirely autonomous body but akin to the BBC. He by the Committee. The arguments that it s~oke about it and he said we are not ready gave were remarkable. It said: "Why should for it 'lOW. He said that in 1949: "My own view it be?" They referred to the All India Radio of the set up for broadcasting IS that we and recalled Nehiuji'sdesirethat it should be should approximate, as far as possible, to converted into a Public Service Broadcast- the British model, the BBC. I do not think that ing and they said that "we have today a is immediately feasible. J have merely men- system which conforms to a pattern which is tioned this to the House. I think we should in vogoue in some Asian countries-per- aim at that." This is what he said in 1948. And haps Pakistan may have been in mind-and it was not an off tht:: cuff remark It was not a the nation of Soviet Socialist Republic and piOUS intention, so much so that after that the countries in Eastern Europe which are whenever anyone, any officer, was appo:nted changing nowone byone. Even inthe USSR in the All India Radio-TV came much later- and the East European countries the broad- the appointment letter contained the stipula- casting media are changing. Then it went on tion which said: "you will be liable to transfer to say tJ:!at the Chanda Committee depre- at any time to service under public Corpora- cated the situation and observed that "radio tion, if formed and that on such transfer you and Televison in these countries are instru- will be liable to conditions of Service to be ments of a monolithic State for propagating 539 Prasar Bharatl AUGUST 27 1990 Corp India) 540 (Broadcastmg BII/ [Sh ILK Advanl] length If you want, I have with me the Akash Bharatl Report an Ideology of function Inappropriate In media In a democracy' [ Translation] NovV even at that time, the broadcast- DR RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI Ing media were not being abused In a man \Sltapur) Smt Indira Gandhi was the strong- ner as to create a sense of revulsion In the est Pnme Minister the country has seen people In those early 1960's This started ( InterruptIons) later I do not want to go Into the entire analysIs of It as to how It started, when It [English] started and who started But there IS no doubt that It IS agreed by all that In 1975, SHRIL K ADVANI Myfnerdsarekeen 1976 and 1977, dUring the emergency pe- to know the history so I Will remalnd the'Tl I nod abuse of thiS media touched the lowest quote from the Verghese COlT'mlt~ee Rep,:)rt depth, so much so that there was an A I R as follows- Code, which was scrapped even though the Code had been adopted by the Cabinet It % 'The then Prime Minister told the was scrapped even wlthuut reference to the Conference of Akasrvanl Station DI- Cabinet rectors In September 1975 that she did not understand what the concept of SHRI P CHIDAMBARAM Who was 'credibility' Implied since there was no the I & B Minister then? doubt that Akashvanl was and was gOing to remain a Government organ SHRI L K ADVANJ Jam not concerned The AIR Code which was finalised With with him (Interruptions) I can only say that the Cabinet s approval In 1967 af"ld your party might have spoken of autonomy In amended In March 1970 again With the 1989 Even the National Front Government- Cabinet approval was according to It was formed only In May 1989-and the the White Paper sU'T1r1anly scrapped Janata Dal may have spoken of autonomy In In a meeting pre:;:lded over by the 1989 So far as my party was concerned, as MInister for f nform atlon drd Broad- far back as In 1 962, we spoke about auton- casting , omy of the media when there was no such problem SHRI KAMALNATH(Chhmowara) Who was he? SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV You did not do It In 1977-78 SHRI L K ADVANI He's not here SHRI L K ADVANI Yes, I could not do SHRI KAMAL NATH There must be It (Interruptions) I will certainly come to that some name (interruptIons) If the Chair gives me time, I will deal with It at length SHRI L K ADVANI The name has not been mentioned here but I know and so do SHRI P CHIDAMBARAM He must tell thiS House (InterruptIons) us what happened In 1977 (InterruptIons) [Engltsh] SHRJ L K ADVANI It was scrapped dunng the Emergency and It was scrapped SHRI P CHIDAMBARAM If It IS not even without reference to the I & B Minister Advam, then who was that? at that time (/nte"uptlons) There was a White Paper on abuse of media DUring the AN HON MEMBER It may be GUJral Emergency which goes mto thiS question at ( InterruptIOns) 541 Prasar Bharati BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Corp. India) 542 (Broadcasting Bill SHRI L.K. ADVANI: Not Gujral. During major stride forward in strengthening de- the Emergency it was. (Interruptions) mocracy in the country. And personally speaking, it it is passed it would give me SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Your immense satisfaction that a task that I had memory is so sharp. started in 1979, which remained unfinished because of a political earthquake that inter- SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I need no be apolo- vened is now finished. It is because of this getic. that I try to persuade my friends stating that 'your stand today is contradictory.' I could understand if you were all out, that the ..... In this it was tated that strict adher- Government control should end and it should ence to the existing code by Akashvani be privatised/either on the American model was not feasible in view of the changed or the British model. circumstances. It was further decided by the Minister that if the Prime Minis- SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: You are ter approved the action, it would be distorting us. necessary to go to the Cabinet. The Prime Minister noted on May 4, 1976, SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I am not distorting; as follows: 'The guidelines given to the I am quoting. broadcasters are now obsolete. Hence the Code should lapse. But I do not SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I request Mr. think that it IS necessary to formally Advani to yield for a minute so that we can Inform Parliament.' .. " explain. ( Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Chidambaram, you know the rules. You have to request SHRI KAMAL NATH: I have no intention through me only. You will be allowed to to offend Mr. Advani ... (lnterruptions} .... on explaine all your contradictions. the Verghese Committee Report, but he forgot what he himself has said in SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir, I am 1979 ... (Interruptions) sorry, the Chair should not say we are con- tradictory. The Chair should not say that the SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: You must Opposition has got contradic~ions. tel) us what did you do at that time. MR. CHAIRMAN: I have not said that SHRI L.K. ADVANI: We revived the you are contradictory. I have only said that code immediately. you would be allowed to explain all your contradictions. MR CHAIRMAN: Mr. Advani, I believe that you can say sometimes by addressing SHRI L.K. ADVANI: Sir, there was a me and not them. time in 1985 when the government that assumed office in 1985, It came out with a rationale as to why it was a post-autonomy. SHRI L.K. ADVANI: They are address- Earlier, no one opposed autonomy except ing me all the while. I address them through saying that the country was not ready for it as you because this is a matter about which I yet. But in 1985. when Mr. Rajiv Gandhi, the feel strongly and I hold that the moment this Leader of Opposition today, became Prime Bill is passed-and it can be passed unani- Minister he was subjected to a very irritant mously also if my friends on the Opposition questioning at a Press conference. This Press support it: if this is passed, it would be a conference was held sometime inJune-July, landmark in the history o~ broadcasting in 1985 and in thi5 one of the journalist asked this Country. If it is passed, it would be a him about autonomy and said: 543 Prasar Bharati AUGUST 27 1990 Corp. India) 544 (Broadcasting Bill [Sh .. L.K. Advani] Commission had been pleading for. That is about giving equal time to all recognised "Sir, except for a mercifully brief pe- political parties during the election campaign riod, we have been a functioning and the Government, the ruling party used to democracy for about 40 years. We say that they could not give equal time. They have a vigorous Parliament, we have used to say: 'how can we give equal time? an independent judiciary and we have After all, they are a small party, the time an articulate press. All these have only allocation should be on the basis of the enriched our democratic system.it is, strength of the party.' When the Janata therefore, rather too late in the day to Government came to power and I had occa- try to convince the world that giving sion to deal with this matter, within three freedom to radio and television would months without any formal statute, without be a risky venture." any formal legislation, I convened a meeting of all political parties and a unanimous deci- His answer was that he did not want to sion was taken there that equal time should give autonomy to radio and television be- be given on the radio and television to all the cause he would not like them to behave lime political parties recognised by the Election the Press. "I do not think you have behaved Commission. That became a landmark in responsibly at all." This is what he told the the history of broadcasting and in the history press. He did not want the radio and televi- of elections in this country. sion to become as irresponsible as the press. When he was questioned again on this, he 16.00 hrs. said: That proved our bona fides. The Prasar "That may be your submission. I do not Sharati Bill which we introduced in 1979 think the Janata Party gave any auton- further proved our bona fides, our earnest omy to radio and television; neither did intention to confer autonomy on the media. If the BJP, nor did anybody else." did not go through, the reason lie elsewhere. I must say, the Members of your Party who The BJP came out even at that time. were on the Select Committee had a very The RJP was not there in the Government. positive approach. I wish you had '1 positive Mr. Rajiv Gandhi further said: approach. Otherwise this kind of contradic- tions would not have been there. "It is when you are in Government that you realise the responsibilities that you I agree with one point made by Mr. have. It is very easy for BJP to talk Krishna Kumar and I told the Minister: I am about autonomy, but when they had not happy with the choice of the word "Gov- the responsibilityto bear, and shoulder ernor". I would favour simple "member" or the responsibility, they realised that ''trustee''. I would agree to the major submis- the tim e was not for it and the did not do sion of yours, namely what Mr. Krishna Kumar it. " has said that Jet there be a committee on the lines of PAC or Estimates Committee. Hav- Ithink I am not a Ministertoday; at least given ing said this, he went on to say that, it has to credit to Upendraji. Why did you shirk in it? be an appellate body. I would like to know, Even while he is in office, he is giving auton- since when PAC has become an appellate omy. The accusation was that the Janata body or Estimates Committee has become Government did not pass the Prasar Bharati an appellate body. I would agree to a parlia- Bill because it had no desire and it was not mentary committee comprising of both the bonafide in its Intentions. That was the charge Houses of parliament functioning as a body at that time. I refute it strongly. That was the to oversee the Broadcasting Corporation. Government which implemented something which, for the earlier 20 years the Election SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: You dothat. 545 Prasar Bharati BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Corp. India) 546 (Broadcasting Bill You move an amendment. (Interruptions) PROF. SAIF UD DIN SOZ: All of us PROF. P.J. KURIEN (Mavelikara):There support you. was a understanding between Mr. Satya Pal Malik and Deputy-Speake" outside the SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: We have House afterthe lunch break that at 4 p.m., we said, there must be joint parliamentary would take up Kuwait situation. committee. We want a joint parliamentary committee to be an oversight committee, to SHRI P. UPENDRA: No, Sir. Today at oversee the working of this corporation, then 5-30 p.m., there is an Half-an-hour discus- there are words which must be changed, sion. Therefore, this discussion cannot be commas to be added, words are to be de- interrupted. Let Mr. LK. Advani continue his leted. We are willing to sit with you and we speech. can give a joint amendment. Unfortunately the han. Minister does not want to contem- SHRI KAMAL NATH: Let Mr. Advani plate the idea. finish. Then we will take it up. SHRI P. UPENDRA: Sir, this is untrue. PROF. P.J. KURIEN (Mavelikara): If the This is one of the suggestions which I have hon. Minister does not agree, then we can- accepted to consider. He is misleading not take it up. everything. Last time, I have told them that we will consider it. (Interruptions) SHRI P. UPENDRA: I said I am not agreeing to this now. There should be unin- SHRf LK. ADVANI: Let everyone ap- terrupted discussion. Tomorrow, after pass- preciatethat today the composition of Parlia- ing the Bill, we can take up that (Interrup- ment is of such a nature, where every group tions) has its weight. Buttomorrow as has been for the last 4 decades, it is very likely that the MR. CHAIRMAN: I have heard you. composition of Parliament would be no dif- Kindly sit down. Let Mr. Advani speak. ferent from the composition of the Govern- ment. (Interruptions) PROF. P. J. KURIEN: Let t Ir Advani complete his speech and after that, we Will What I am saying is, when I talk of take it up. autonomy to the media, I do not want the Government to be controlling the media in SHRI P. UPENDRA: Tomorrow after the name of Parliament. I would neverfavour taking the vote, we take up Kuwait. I have no that. Therefore, a body similar to the Com- objection. mittee on Public Undertakings or Committee on Estimates or Committee on Public Ac- MANY HON. MEMBERS: No. (interrup- counts cannot be a substitute for the Gov- tions) ernment. MR. CHAIRMAN: You need not repeat SHRI P. UPENDRA: Sir, when I con- the same point. veyed the Government's readiness to con- sl~er the suggestions, the only thing is, I have some reservations about the word DR. RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI: We "oversee" because that should not be misin- are all speaking. It will take time. Tomorrow terpreted as day-to-day interference in the only it can be taken up and we need some working of the Corporation. Therefore, I would time. prefer words like ''to ensure accountability of the Corporation to Parliament". We can dis- MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much cuss that. for reminding us that it will take time. 547 Prasar Bharatl AUGUST 27 1990 Corp. IndIa) 548 (Broadcastmg BIJ/ SHRI L K ADVANI As I said, at the come, but please forgod's sake do not throw outset, I strongly commend this Bill because away the baby to the bath water If you I hold that In India there are a number of disagree on any POint, a tIme may come Bodies which are supposed to be autono- when you also may agree after running thiS mous But, some times their functioning IS Corporation for some tIme Today as It IS, on worse than that of Government departments the baSIS of the diSCUSSion which has gone They are so subverSive because the Heads on for the last two decades nearly and on the those Corporations survive at the pleasure baSIS of what the Verghese' Committee said of the executive The Chairman can be and what Chanda Committee has said and removed at Will, apPOinted at Will Even on the baSIS of what vanous people who are Universities which are supposed to be au- In thiS field have said, we have come to thiS tonomous are hardly autonomous They are proposal ThiS IS the proposal before you not autonomous at all and It was, therefore, Therefore please do not reject It Accept It that when thiS Bill was conceived In 1979 I am not among those who are In favour of adequate precautions were taken to see that scrapping I & B Ministry In thiS HOlJse par- those who are nominated to thiS Board are ticularly, there are so many former I & B Insulated from the arbitrary manner of the Ministers, that I keep counting Shn H K L executive I am surprised that thiS kind of Bhagat IS not here Shn Vasant Sathe IS not Insulation should be regarded as handing here Shn V N Gadgil IS not here Shn S over to them and making them arbitrary No Krishna Kumar IS here Here, on our SIde Because so far as Parliament IS concerned also we have Kaushlk-JI, we have Upendra- any time It can repeal a Bill It IS an ordinary j', we have Gu)ral )1 So many of us are there Bdl I do not agree With the Verghese Com (interruptIons) ThiS IS In a way the sum total mlttee recommendation that thiS kind of Bill of our delloeratlons for the past three dec will be Incorporated Into the Constitution I ades that has brought thiS Prasar Bharatl was not agreeable to that at that time also Bill I am grateful to the Government and Perhaps one of the pOints of Criticism against grateful to Upendra )1 that he did not choose my Government at that time was that thiS even to change the word change the title of Verghese Committee had recommended that the Bill that I had brought forward He could Prasar Bharatl should be written Into thE. have done It In order to show that It IS thiS Constitution I said No ThiS should not be GovernMent s legislation But he '''troduceo Particularly whel"l we are about to embarkon the same BIll Though I am not In favour 0' a new kind of chapter a new adventure, we scrapolng of the I & B Ministry I am VE=I) should walt and watch and see and there- m,Jch In favour of converting the I & B 1\1 n's fore, thiS proposal for a parliamentary com- try Into a Simple Information Ministry not the mittee Ilmmeolately agreed to and said '11 IS Broadcasting Ministry Broadcasting here fine and particularly when the Government after, should cease to be Upendra-JI's direct had agreed to wltrdraw all these ar--end concern Let It be entrusted to the Prasar ments that It brought It late· on which I did not Bharatl The day It happens, I will be vef) agree to, namely the right to supersede the happy I would be particularly grateful to the Corporation the reference to the errergenc, COllgress Party If It cooperates In dOing so and all that Those were the provls,ons which ( InterruptIons) we could not find ourselves Wltl, agreement and, therefore, after mutual consultation SHRI P CHIDAMBARAM I wa.,t to they agreed to drop that Now haVing done make a submiSSion The understanding was all these things, we have movee In the right that Kuwait Will be discussed The External direction ,At thiS pOint of time, what the Affairs Minister has also come ThiS IS too Congress party does IS very very pertinent Important a matter Let us not have a wrangle and, therefore, It IS the>· I say that even If on on that Let us diSCUSS Kuwait now, as agreed certain POints. where tl,ere IS consensus to among tl-)e WhiP, the Minister and the among us three and you are not able to Deputy-Speaker Let us not have another agree, you walt for a time, some tln1e may wrangle on that Let us diseuse; KuwaIt now 549 Prasar Bharati BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Corp. India) 550 (Broadcasting Bill The Minister has come. SHRI P. UPENDRA: Pleaseshowsome concern for the other issues also. SHRI P. UPENDRA: I am making a proposal. SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Are you not concerned about what is happening in MR. CHAIRMAN: Have we completed Kuwait? discussion under Rule 193 on atrocities on women? SHRI P. UPENDRA: I am not saying that way. Please cooperate with us. SHRI P. UPENDRA: No. Nothing has been completed. They are all pending. The SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: We are way they are raising the issues, nothing can cooperating with you. But you are putting be finished. I explain my difficulties. There pre-conditions that we should finish the dis- are three Bills to replace the Ordinances cussion tomorrow. We are not standing in which are to be finished within six weeks. your way. (Interruptions) There are three financial Bills. All of them MR. CHAIRMAN: Please listen to him. have to be comp:eted this week and next He is speaking now. week. If we go on postponing the passing of these Bills, much of the time will be lost. ( Interruptions) What I suggest is that in case the hon. Members are agreeable to torgo lunch to- PROF. P. J. KURIEN: Cooperation morrow, sit late tomorrow evening and finish doesn't mean that we should stick to that. this Bill tomorrow, on that ground you can Governmentshould neverfeellikethis. There take up Kuwait issue immediately. I have no is the BAC. The point is so many new Issues objection in losing one more hour. (Interrup- are coming up. You are coming to the Lok tion:;) Sabha with so many statements. Naturally. we will ask for a discussion. It IS our right. As SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Howcan we far as Kuwait is concerned, there is a grave say now what happens tomorrow? How do situation. Hon. Minister Gu\ra\-\i knows the we know what happens tonight or what will Gull situation. The whole country is con- happen tomorrow? (Interruptions) cerned about it. When Wf::: ask lV a discus- sion we say that it should have precedence. SHRI P. UPENDRA: Something has to You should be prepared. You say that you Ce planned. are not prepared for it. (Interruptions) SHRI L.K. ADVANI: Mr. Chairman, Sir, SHRI P. UPENDRA: You are not react- thE. Business Advisory Committee allotted 8 ing to my appeal. If you are prepared to sit hou-s to this Bill. How many hours have been tomorrow during Lunch hour and also after cO:1sumed? (Interruptions) that, we can finish. We can take up tomor- row. I am agreeableto that. We will take it up. SHRI P. UPENDRA: We started it at PROF. P.J. KURIEN. There is time 2 jO p.m. Now, we have not even completed tomorrovV. Tomorrow we can talk about It two hours. That means, more than three- and discuss I am bringing to tn8 notice of the and-half hours will be required tomorrow, or House that a c..'Onsensus and understanding may be four hours. If you agree to sit for four was reached among SrHi Satya Pal Malik. hours tomorrow, I have no objection. We will the han. Minister. hon. Deputy-Speaker and take up Kuwait now. Everything, they cannot myself in the noon. I am only bringing to your have in their own way. notice this fact. Ai e you not goinG to honour it? If you are not going to honour it, how can PROF. P. J. KURIEN: That is some- we come to an understanding with you? thing different. (Interruptions) ( Interruptions) 551 Prasar Bharati AUGUST 27 1990 Corp. India) 552 (Broadcasting Bill SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura): I cannot understand why this heated ex- Discussion on Kuwait can be taken up after change is taking place. One han. Member 6 O'clock. (Interruptions) suggested that discussion on the situation in Kuwait be taken up now and there came the SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM (Sivaganga): other suggestion that it be taken up after 6 Do they see any seriousness in that? Every p.m. The han. Minister said thattherewas no discussion that we want, you want to do it problem in taking up the matter for discus- piecemeal. (Interruptions) sion now if the Prasar Bharati Bill is to be passed tomorrow. This is what he said, and SHRI P.J. KURIEN: Life of one lakh and I do not see anything wrong in it. There is no twenty thousand people is more important. difficulty in agreeing to this proposal. This is That is more important. (Interruptions) because the discussion on the PrasarBharati Bill has been continuing for the last several MR. CHAIRMAN: Would you mind days and we have to devote eight hours to it. addressing me? Let him also say what he It is for that reason the hon. Minister made a wants to say. request for it, or the sitting may be extended beyond 6 p.m., there is no problem in that. ( Interruptions) There should be no difficulty in opting either of these alternatives. There were many MR. CHAIRMAN: Would you sit down? occasions when such suggestion camefrom You have to sit down first. I have allowed your side when you were in the Government him. I will call you. and we agreed to all that. Why did you adopt such an attitude today all of a sudden that ( Interruptions) nothing will be allowe'd to betaken up unless your conditions are fulfilled? This is not good. PROF. N.G. RANGA (Guntur): There is a way of addressing her. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRYOF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS MR. CHAIRMAN: I am addressing her AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- on behalf of the House. I have to see that the TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL House is respected. MALIK): Mr. Chairman, Sir, Dr. Kurien said it in my absence that I consented to this pro- (Interruptions) posal which is not a fact. When he referred to this,. I said that Shri P. Upendra ji is present SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: We also in the House, you talk to him and see whether want that discussion on Kuwait should be he agrees to it but I did not make any commit- taken up today. But discussion on this bill is ment on my part. also going on. We can tClke up discussion on Kuwait at 6 0' clock. (Interruptions) DR. RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI: Mr. Chairman, Sir, under Rule 193, a discussion PROF. P.J. KURIEN: What are you on the Atrocities on Women is slated on the talking? (Interruptions) Agenda paper daily for the last one week but the discussion could not concluded till date. MR. CHAIRMAN: Let him have his say It is daily written on the Agenda paper that ( Interruptions) further discussion under Rule 193 on the atrocities committed on women in different SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: We can parts of the country will continue, but I would take it up at 6 0' clock. like to know from the Chair as to when will this be taken up? Should this issue not be [ Translation] treated on priority basis? This attitude shows that here in this House itself, there are atroci- SHRI L.K. ADVANI: Mr. Chairman, Sir, ties on women there, notto talk of them being 553 Prasar Bharat; BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Corp. India) 554 (Broadcasting Bill committed outside. Are not the matters re- cuss it on Monday. The House never fixes up lated to women worth priority? Atrocities are time. (Interruptions) already being committed in the society but they are committed here in the Agenda as PROF. P.J. KURIEN: I only request you well. Why do not you take up this issue first to start the discussion on Kuwait. The Prasar and qonclude it soon ... (Interruptions) Bharati Bill is important, I accept. But there are important emergency matters and ur- The discussion 'Atrocities on Women' gent matters. could not be conducted for the last one week. Why is it that you are not taking it up? MR. CHAIRMAN: What I am asking you It should be given priority. Why is it just is, should we only start it or try to conclude it getting dragged on? also. MR. CHAIRMAN: You are right. I think PROF. P.J. KURIEN: We can start the today it cannot be taken up. discussion on Kuwait and conclude it today. DR. RAJENDRA KUMAR I BAJPAI: It MR. CHAIRMAN: O.K., let us conclude will never come. It is a bad male society; it will the discussion on Kuwait today. There is a never come. Injustice is done with women Half-an-Hour discussion at 5.30 p.m. also. here also. There is atrocity on women in this House also. It should be taken up first. Why PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Then we will sit is it left out? after 6 0' clock. SHRI KAMALNATH: Ithinkwecantake MR. CHAIRMAN: We will conclude the up discussion on Kuwait now. The Minister is discussion on Kuwait today. The Minister is here; he has got notes and he has got a mind also here. After 6 0' clock also they will to take it up also. continue the discussion on Kuwait and con- clude it ( Interruptions) SHRI MANGRAJ MALLIK (Bhadrak): DR. RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI: The Today does not mean that it sl,Quld go into Home Minister must come and reply to the night. We should me-up the time that by such debate. Why is it just drag~ing on? It is one and such time we will finish the discussion. week now already. SHRI P. UPENDRA: Whenever it suits (Interruptions) them they will sit beyond 6 0' clock and whenever we request them, they will not SHRI IBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT agree. That is what is looking like. (Manjeri): It IS not the question of we and they. It is the question of precious lives of MR. CHAIRMAN: They are agreeable. lakhs and lakhs of Indians in the Middle East, Today we are going to extend the sitting in particularly in Kuwait. ThiS matter was agreed; order to conclude the discussion on Kuwait. Shri Satya Pal Malik IS here, he said that he will convey our views to the Parliamentary PROF. P.J. KURIEN: We will start dis- Affairs Minister and the discussion will be cussion on Kuwait and conclude today. taken up at 4 0' clock. That IS why the Ministerfor External Affairs has come here in SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: We have time. The very fact that the Minister is pres- an half-an-Hour discussion also. ent here in time shows that it was agreed upon. So we shall not avoid this and we MR. CHAIRMAN: The Half-an-Hour should start the discussion just now. discussion will come in between; but the discussion on Kuwait will also be concluded SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: We will dis- today. 555 Disc. under Rule 193 AUGUST 27 1990 Amman, Baghdad 556 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Aftrs. reo etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow. Washington. situation in the Gulf I believe it will not extend beyond eight. Kuwait are in deep agony. We are not able to (Interruptions) Shri A.N. Singh Deo, now you get any information about their safety and just begin your speech but you take it up weHare. Under the circumstances. the re- tomorrow. Afterthat, we will begin with Kuwait. port, he has given, has, to a certain extent, '( ,../'-)'-. thrown some light on what is happening in , SHRI A.N. SINGH OED (Aska): Sir, Kuwait. But on going through the report, I am after nearly 60 years. the electronic media, very sorry to say that the statement has only as we call it now, is going out of the control increased our anxiety and our concern. I of the Government. would draw the attention of the han. Minister and this august House to some of the facts MR. CHAIRMAN: You may continue given on page 2. your speech tomorrow. We will now take up the next item. 16.28 hrs. [DR. THAMBI DURAl in the Chail'j ~ <::, 61J~ 16.26 hrs. ~ ... ~ \ ~, (Interruptions) It is stated that: r (\,'*"'.~. \,)"" DISCUSSION UNDER RULE 193 "There is naturally considerable anxi- .--- ."."..------ety about the future and a great deal of Statement made by the Minister of Exter- te nt io n at present. However... whi Ie the nal Affairs re, his recent visit to Moscow, law and order situation is not normal, Washington, Amman, Baghdad & Kuwait there is no cause for grave anxiety." in connection with the situation in the Gulf f yI~ ~ \t\.. ) This is a contradictory statement which we cannot understand. There is anxiety about [English] the future. There is tension. The situation is not normal. There is looting. There is no MR. CHAIRMAN:.The House will now food. Banks are not working and :llmost all take up further discussion on the statement shops are closed. The whole life is para- made by the Minister of External Affairs in lysed. But in spite of these facts, I am sur- the House on 23rd August. 1990 regarding prised that the statement is saying that "there his visit to Moscow, Washington, Amman, is no cause for grave anxiety". There is Baghdad and Kuwait in connection with the cause for anxiety and grave anxiety to atl situation in Gulf, raised by Shri Girdharilal those who are involved and their relatives Bhargava on the 24th August, 1990. who are here in this country. It has been stated in page 3 that the Embassy was doing Shri A. PROF. YADU NATH PANDEY: I have [English] come to know that 460 Junior Engineers of L;, ,'. 'J the Central Public Works Department have SHRI P. R. KUMARAMANGALAM( been transferred at a time when the aca- sale~Mr:""beputy Speaker. sk tti'is-Hal{ demic session of their children is midway. an Hour discussion in itself is with regard to This time is not proper for the transfers. The the Starred Question on the question of transfers are made generally in the month of transfer of various grades of officers in the March and April but this time they have not CPWD. The reply at that time was limited adhered to this practice. As the hen. Minister itself to Superintending Engineers and the 587 HaH-an-hour Disc. AUGUST 27 1990 Transfer of CPWD Officfl, 588 ISh. P. R. Kumaramangalam} PROF. P. J. KURIEN (Mavelikara): There should not be any collusion. Chief Engineers and unfortunately, did not mention anything about the Junior Engi- SHRIP.R.KUMARAMANGALAM:~ neers. But let us assume that the same Chief Whip is afraid of collusion. But the fact principles apply. Even though what seems to really is, no work is done on immediate be obvious is that the exceptions have be- request whether it is plumbing, whether it is come the rule and the rule has become the carpentry, whether it is normal maintenance, exception. If one sees the number of orders whether it is white washing-unless one rings that are passed for transfers and the number up senior officers. uses pressure and influ- that are cancelled, one sees that it is those ence, nothing gets done. If CPWD is to unfortunate officers who do not have the function in this manner, one must realise that ability to contact not the Minister, I am sorry ultimately the whole thing will come crushing to say. but the senior officers in the Depart- down. I would request the Minister to realise ment. those are the engineers who really the power of transfer. Transfer is not only seem to get the transfer and the normal administrative, it sometimes is used also to engineers and also those who are fighting for bring a certain form at discipline. Let it not the mterest of the Junior Engineers and have bring Indiscipline. That is my only request. bad relations with their superiors but have And let the principles be adhered to and not good relationship with the Minister, they get the excaption. Thank you. into the trouble. That seems to be the oroer of the day. I am not taking much time. I am DR. RAM CHANDRA DOME: (Birbh:.Jm): really limiting myself to lhe question. But : am just on a point of information Sir. what is unfortunate is that transfers which are done on the whims and pleasure of MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No. this is not senior officers are to bring down a tendency the way. whereby the junior oitlcers who are really working in the field like the Junior Engineers ( Interruptions) and his immediate superior Assistant Engi- neers tend to ignoT€ their duties ano it be- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have not comes their fundamentZli duty to pay atten- allowed Mr. Shiwankar who had given the tion to the whims and fL~""1cies of senior engi- question. neers. I will Just give you on(J example. Right beside me lives Mr Manvendra Singh, the ( Interruptions)* Chairman 01 the HC:L-s':' Committee. In his lawn there was c) lar0E t:ee WhlCt; 1ell down MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No, this is not due to wind and l00k 'roe wall which Glvides forming part of the record. I did not even our house MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: That is good. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The hen. You would like that Situation. Minister will tell you later *Not recorded. 589 Half-an-hour Disc. BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Transfer of CPWD OffIcer 590 [English] are manned by the Chief Engineers of CPWD and they are also indulging. Hence there Is THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- an imbalance In the tenure of Chief Engi- OPMENT (SHRI MURASOll MARAN): Mr. neers in Delhi and outside. There are 15 Deputy Speaker Sir, I am sorry that the reply Chief Engineers in Delhi who have stayed given to this question has created some here for more than four years. misgivings. This is what the hone Member Thiru Krishnamurthy said. Normally, when like that if you take the case of Super- we say the CPWD has no promotion rule, it intending Engineers, there are 57 posts in does not mean that it is done at the whims Delhi and 57 posts are out of Delhi. 49 SE and fancies of the officers concerned. The (Civil) who have completed more than four CPWD manual has provided for certain guide- years or more of service are now at Delhi. If lines and I may read out from the guidelines: you take SE(Electrics) there are 18 posts which have completed more than four years "Transfers and postings of Chief Engi- of stay in Delhi. The position is that they are neers are ordered by the Ministry of staYing for more than four years. Several Urban Development according to re- people are staying for five, six or seven quirements of administration. Superin- years. They are there right from ten years tending Engineers are considered for back also. transfer after they have completed three- four years at one station. The transfer Therefore we all feel the need for a and posting of SEs are ordered by the greater rotation of engineers who are stay- Director General of Works." ing in the same place. Therefore in this year upto August we have transferred eight Super- This manual has not been created by us intending Engineers (Civil) whereas in 1989 yesterday. It is there for may years. Accord- it was five, in 1988 it was two, in 1987 at was ing to the manual, to the best possible ex- four, in 1986 it was two. So I would like to tent, transfers are done. infNm the hone Members that we have started the process. We will do it. At the same time There is a point raised by the han. we have heard different opinions also. Member Thiru Krishnamurthy who said that Sometimes transfers are used as a punish- the information he required was not given. If ment also. But we would see that in the best you ask me whether this guideline is strictly interest of administration no Superintending adopted, I would say, not in all the cases. Engineer or Chief Engineer stays in the Take for example Delhi. There me several same station for a long period continuously. zones here- New Delhi zone 1 & 2, Delhi Administrative Zone 1 & 2, Norttlern Zone. 18.00 hrs. construction Zone for Delhi, Food Zone, CE for NSG, CE for Special Protection Group, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: As per the Income Tax, BFR, Central Defence Organi- court's verdict, you cannot transfer ar.y offi- sation, etc. So several organisations are cer to punish him. situated here and the HOs. are also function- ing here. SHRI MURASOLI MARAN: That is right. We will not do that Shri Kumaramangalam Further, take the case of Chief Engi- also pointed it out. Transfer is also some- neers. There are 32 posts; 18 posts are at times necessary for some other purpose. Delhi and the remaining 14 posts are out of Delhi. Moreover most of the deputation posts This is the position. Certain other points 591 Disc. under Rule 193 AUGUST 271990 Amman, Baghdad 592 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Affrs. re. etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Gu" ISh. Murasoli Maran] SHRI IBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT (Manjeri): The Minister is not here. were raised. Honourable Shri Harish Rawat said that we should have a new look at the SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): Sir, functioning of the CPWD. He has been argu- outside, the public transport is off the road. ing and advocating the cause. All other Our employees will face a lot of hardship. In Government Departments have started their most of the areas, the motor vehicles are not own Construction Wing. Therefore, Junior plying. Engineers and other employees employed in CPWD are not getting the due promotion. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You don't A kind of stagnation is there. On this occa- what to discuss this thing? sion, I would like to tell Mr. Harish Rawat and Mr. Kumaramangalam that regarding the SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): It is Junior Engineers, I had a detailed discus- not our question of discussing or not dis- sion with the Finance Minister. We have cussing it. How will the employees go back? arrived at a solution about their problems. They are going to have a serious problem. Very soon, we will come out with a very fair solution to the satisfaction of all concerned. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: That will be discussed by the Secretariat. They will make Certain individual complaints were some arrangements. This is not a matter to made. I would assure the hon. Members that be discussed on the floor of the House. I will definitely look into them. I will write to them personally about the steps we have SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Some arrange- taken. With that. I would like to conclude. ments should be made for them. Otherwise, they will have a lot of problem. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: They will look into it. 18.03 hrs. The Whip of the ruling party may inform the Minister that the discussion is starting. DISCUSSION UNDER RULE 193 - Mr. Saito r:r L Contd. ("C\) ~'-\\J ..) SHRI IBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT: Mr. Statement made by the Minister of exter- Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am sorry that I have nal Affairs Re: his recent visit to Moscow, been called at a time when the concerned Washington, Amman, Baghdad and Minister-Minister for External Affairs, Shri Kuwait In Connection with Situation In Gujral is not present in the House. I would GUlf~~,~ \~)) have very much liked him to be here. I hope he will come back soon. [English] I would like to say on this very very grave MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now, we take issue confronting the entire world today. upthe discussion on the Gulf situation. (Inter- While participating in the discussion on the ruptions) The Whip of the ruling party may present awful situation in the Middle East, I inform the Minister that we are continuing do not desire to go into the details of the with the discussion on the Gulf situation. I will political aspect of the same. Many of our request Mr. Ibrahim Sulaiman Sait to speak. colleagues here in this House have dealt 593 Disc. under Rule 193 BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Amman, Baghdad 594 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Affrs. reo etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Gulf with the political aspect in detail. But I would the Government will take an initiative in this just like to take a little reference to the matter and pay more attention as the situ- political aspect of this issue before I pass on ation is very grave. Just a small flare-up can to the humanitarian aspect of the issue that lead to a global war. It is possible. What we is confronting us in the Middle-East. must do today is to try our best to see that a war is avoided under any circumstances for The situation in the Middle-East is very which I hope our External Affairs Minister will very grave today. It is very disturbing, very take the initiative. As the External Affairs agonising. This is primarily because of the Minister has just now arrived at the House, I presence of the United States' forces with all would liketo repeat that Mr. Saddam Hussein armed planes and armed warships. This is a is prepared to have talks with the Secretary- situation that is causing deep conoern. No General of the United Nations. That means, doubt I agree that such a situation developed the door is open for negotiations and talks because of the occupation of Kuwait by Iraq. and the time, though running out, has not But this could have been avoided by negotia- been lost so far. So far, I was saying about tions and mutual settlement could have been the political aspect of the entire situation. arrived at. But I musttell youthat even today, Now, I come to the humanitarian aspect of even though time is running fast, still there is this very very grave problem. You know very some hope left. Time has not been lost. Just well Sir, that at present there is a war-like two days back, I recall that even Mr. Saddam situation in the entire Middle East. It is worse Hussein has said that he is prepared for a in Kuwait and at the same time there is panic political settlement. In such a situation, I in countries of Middle East Like Saudi Ara- would very much like that our External Af- bia, Emirates, Bahrain, etc. And we all know fairs Minister should take initiatives in the fully well that out of the one lakh people in matter and see that we arrive at a political that part of the world, 75 per cent of them are solution as India is the Leader of the Non- Keralites. I am sure of this and I would like to Aligned countries. We all know that even correct the External Affairs Minister that 75 today, the papers say that Mr. Saddam percentofthem, who are caught in a war-like Hussein is prepared to have talks and dis- situation, belong to Kerala. Therefore, we cussions with the Secretary-General of the can understand the gravity of·the situation United Nations. In such a situation, I hope, and thus, we can understand as to why we he will agree to have talks with our External are worried so much about them. Every Affairs Minister, Mr. Gujral, as the represen- house in Kerala has got somebody in the tative of the Leader of the Non-Aligned Middle East. Thus we are anxious here. countries to find a political solution to this Therefore, we want that war should be problem. And that may force the United avoided and there should be a political set- States to take out the forces in Saudi Arabia tlement. It is time for the Governmenttotry to and we can replace the forces of Non-Aligned get as many of our people from that part of countries there. The Non-Aligned countries the world. There is no doubt that at the initial can send their forces. (Interruptions) The stage, the Government was lethargic. We forces ot the Non-Aligned countries are in have said so. They had not taken effective such a number that the American forces can steps but later on, the Government had be withdrawn with a guarantee that Iraq is acted well and I am very happy that our not going to attack Saudi Arabia. It can be External Affairs Minister had gone to Am- done. I would again insist that an initiative man, Baghdad, etc. He is the first Ministerto should be taken by our country, by our Exter- land at Kuwait and he has done wonderful nal Affairs Minister because India is the work there. We must appreciate him for that. Leader of the Non-Aligned countries. I hope We know fully well that on this return, he had 595 Disc. under Rulli 193 AUGUST 271990 Amman. Baghdad 596 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Affrs. re. etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow. Washington, situation in the Gulf (Sh. Ibrahim Sui aim an Sait] Then, for rehabilitation, some sort of a setup should be set up here. They can also brought, in the air force plane, hundreds of note down the assets of the people that they Indian families together with bundles of let- have left there, so that at a later date, you can ters from there. He has done all thes~ things. get compensation from Iraq Government or But something more has to be done. That is Kuwait Government, whichever comas to be not enough. More planes need to be pro- in possession of that area. vided for our Indians to come back. Now, Further, our people are suffering there a Iran has offered to open the borders: Oman lot. We do not have proper communication. has offered to reopen the border. That should be established between the two countries at the earliest. Government has THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- realised the necessity of saving the lives of FAIRS (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): OMAN has, our people there; that is very good; they must Iran has not. also save their assets. Communication should be established between India and SHRI IBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT: You Kuwait so that the families whose relatives can have planes from Baghdad and Basrah are there in Kuwait keep themselves in touch to bring back Indian people. You must ar- with them and get some consolation. range steamer ships to bring back our people. In a plane, you can bring twoto three hundred A point has been made that direct flights people', whereas in a ship, you can bring two should be arranged from there to Trivan- to three thousand people. With the consent drum. Bombay and to Delhi. I say that there and permission of Iran, you can pass through should be a direct flight to Calicut also. This Shat-al-Arab and see that our people are is because a large number of people belong- brought back. ing to Calicut are working there. Therefore, in addition to direct flights to Bombay, Delhi One more thing. In Amman and Basrah, and Trivandrum, there should be direct ftights we understand from the newspapers that to Calicut also. there is concentration of thousands and thousands of Keralites particularly. They are I WOUld, once again, request that reha- suffering. they are in a panicky situation and bilitation of these people is the most impor- there is a possibility of breaking of epidemic. tant aspect of the problem. In coordination You must, therefore, send medicines and with the State Government, the Government food packets. Today they are penniless. of India should work out suitable plans for They have funds, earninas and their depos- rehabilitation of these people. Thousands its in the banks, they have got their establish- and thousands of these people are coming ments, but they have to leave all that there back. It is going to have a shattering effect on and they would come back penniless. They the economy of Kerala. This situation must went their to find livelihood, as they had not be saved. much money here. Now they are coming Lastly, Mr. Gujral. External Affairs Min- back penniless; again the same situation. ister of the Government of India, the leader Government must also see that all those of the non-aligned countries, Should take funds are transferred 10 India. All of them, initiative to see that negotiations with all the mostly Keralities have gotfunds there. It may concerned people are held to bring about a take some time, but the Iraq Government political situation to avert the war ad save the should be approached so that they are able future generation from disaster and com- to repatriate their funds and other effects, plete anihiliation. thoir assets to India. 597 D,sc under Rule 193 BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Amman, Baghdad 598 Staft by Mm of Ext Aftrs re etc m connection With his VISit to Moscow, Washmgton, situation m the Gulf [ Translation] THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF PROfI PREM KUMAR DHUMAL PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P. (Hamlrpur) Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, many UPENDRA) Sir, I Will look Into It and tell you of our friends sitting here say that they have Just now come on foot today, So It would be better If the House IS adjourned by TO clock, other- MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Yes, Mr wise they will face much Inconvenience Janardhan PooJary ~~4 ~ ~""'t:.' I request you to accept my suggestion, ./ SRRI JANARDHAN POOJARY (Man- It would be so nice of you galore) Sir, I promise that I will speak foronly two-three minutes With great dlff,culty I have 1815hrs. got a chance to speak So far as Karnataka IS concerned, people of Karnataka are wor- ned and In fact there IS a feeling of anguish BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE Practically the people of Karnataka, whether It IS Banga10re or Mangalore, are not In a Sixteenth Report position to get any Information regarding the whereabouts of 30,000 Indian people who [English] are reSiding In Kuwait Offices to get the information have been set up In other parts THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION of the country but unfortunately, In spite of AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTEROF the repeated requests from the people of PAnLiAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P Bo.ngalore as also Mangalore, no office has UPENDRA) I beg to present the Sixteenth been set up so far The people of these areas Report of the BUSiness Advisory Committee are not In a position to get the information regarding the whereabouts of these Indian people who are liVing In these areas where there IS a cnsls 18.15112 hrs. I don't want to go Into the details of other DISCUSSION UNDER RULE 193- aspects Coming to the leadership of India, Contd earlier other countnes were looking to India for ItS leadership but for the first time w~ see Statement made by the Minister of Exter- In the T V that when other small countnes nal Affairs, his recent visit to Mascow, have taken the leadership to defuse the Washington, Amman Baghdad and Ku- Situation, we have not taken any step In thiS wait in Connection With the Situation in regard We feel that the Pnme Mlnlsterofthls the Gulf - Contd. great country should have gone there and taken the lead In defUSing the situation [English] Unfortunately, India missed the opportunity Particularly, I want to say that there IS no MR DEPUTY SPEAKER The han political Will and there IS no leadership In the Members have expressed that they would Pnme Minister otherWise he would have find It difficult to return to their places Will It gone there and would have seen that India be pOSSible for somebody to look mto thiS playa great role In defUSing the tension In and help as much as pOSSible that region 599 Disc. under Rule 193 AUGUST 271990 Amman, Baghdad 600 Statt by Mm of Ext Affrs. re etc In connectIOn- with his VISit to Moscow. Washington. sItuatIon In the Gulf [Sh Janardhan Poojaryj darshan that India will not mediate. So, I would like to know whether India has been With these words I conclude Thank approached or were we approached by any you, Sir • ~ u country, to mediate If India was approached, Mr. Gujral had gone to Moscow, Wash- ington and Iraq, Kuwait, everywhere. His Regarding evacuation. though we have statomentwhich have has made here, speaks stated that we would give support for evacu- of two things, as if it a saffarnama, a trave- ation of all concerned, it is seen from the logue. Or he has only informed this House statement as well as the stand taken by the about the logistic arrangements that he has Government at different times that evacu- made. Mr. Gujral is much too senior for all of ation of the whole people is not expected. I us to just go for the logistic arrangements. I can also understand from the statement that only understand that he had gone there with we are actually discouraging a whole evacu- a very restricted and short brief. He was not ation and we in fact have advised many perhaps allowed to involve himself more persons who are working in Kuwait to con- dQeply in the affairs of the Gulf. It is more tinue their services there so far as they can than three weeks now and the situation is do. But I feel that the statement itself makes stabilising. My submission to you, is that the it clear that the situation is tense enough for Government should at least now take an anyone of them to fell so panic to continue accol;nt of the overall Situation start the there. I feel that when we should give an political moves and try to restore our position option, it should be open and any person because we just cannot be a sHenT spectator who would like to come may be allowed to in this whole situation. As I said, a ryumber of come and evacuation should be done in a States are involved. More than anything wider respect. 809 Disc. underRuItI193 BHADRAS.1912 (SAKA) Amman, Blllghdad 610 Start. by Min. of Ext. AIfrs. re. etc. in conneetion with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the GuN I would also suggest that the evacuation situation and it has been admitted and it is programme that has been done till now is well-known that food situation is going to be insufficienol, In the sense that those who grave and I have got information that within have been evacuated till today are persons two months there will be no food and, there- who may managed to come out of Kuwait fore. evacuation of all those who are con- somehow or the other on their own initiative. cerned is necessary. As stated, there are six Some of them have come out of the border. thousand or mOle persons who have been Of course, some arrangements have been fed by the Indian community there. I do not made. I am told that flights have been in- know whether the Ambassador could do creased from Amman. But that is not all that much but the Indian community, the asso- should be done. I think, much has not been ciations there have done a great deal, have done to evacuate the persons who are there done a lot and they have been able to give in Kuwait, especially the distressed. There food to the poor. I understand that food are a lot of persons who are ill and who are scarcity has already begun a few days back in great difficulties. There are military hospi- and, therefore, there will be no food after tals. I have a friend whose wife is working sometime and it is necessary to evacuate as there. He has got a letter from his wife many persons as possible immediately. through the bags which were brought by the hon. Minister. It is stated there that they were I would like to congratulate the hon. actually asked to go from their services. Now Minister for having gone to Kuwait and for Iraqi authorities have asked them to rejoin having done the maximum that is possible in and it is actually against their will and they his venture in Kuwait. I would also like to really are afraid to continue their work there. congratulate the hon. Minister for having They should be brought back. There are established a communication in the sense persons who are having no other support, that letters are taken from there and letters especially the ladies, whose family is not are also collected here to be given there. I there, whose husband is not there and who would also add that communication facilities are staying there in hostels. At least such are very important and the details of the persons should be evacuated immediately. I persons who are in Kuwait should be col- feel that special interest should be taken to lected to be given to their relatives. evacuate them. ~IO stfRISONTOSH MOHAN DEV (Tripura I have got some Information that Iraqi West):Mr.DeputySpeaker,Sir,lmustconvey soldiers as such are not disturbing them and my thanks tothe hon. Minister. The other day they are dealing in a very good manner with I gave him a letter to obtain certain informa- regard to the Indians. There is not much to tion and before his action of sending this say about them. But there is a lot of com- letter, I got a letter yesterday night from plaint about Palestinians who are in Kuwait. Kuwait through the Ministry of External Af- There are parsons among them who come fairs' Office. Shri I. K. Gujral come here and there with the dress of soldiers. They are declared that those who are willing to send actually looting the houses. They enter the letters are most welcome to do. On the houses and create havoc. I have got this strength of that, this letter came and we got information from one of the friends who has information not only of one family but many come. I think special interest should betaken families, for which I think in the past we in this respecfto bring this to the notice of the ourselves criticised why the Govemment is Iraqi authorities. I have only a few other not taking the action. At least, this method of points, but many of them are repetitions, so getting letters and sending letters must be I am1imiting myself. There has been a grave continued because it will not practically be 611 Disc. under Rule 193 AUGUST 27 1990 Amman, Baghdad 612 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Aftrs. re. etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Guff ISh. Sontosh Mohan Dev] Cross Flag, and we got all cooperation, even from the then East Pakistani soldiers who possible for you to migrate all those 1 ,75,000 were there. So, internationally, Red Cross people within a short time. So, I request you Organisation is accepted as one of the or- that this method which you have evolved for ganisations which can play a vital role in getting correspondence sent and correspon- such circumstances. But will your efforts of dence being shifted from thereto here should sending foodgrains there successful because be continued and thereby many of the feel- you are going to close down the Embassy ings that are prevailing will be eliminated. there? I do not know whether you are trying So, this method of getting correspondence to keep at least a Consulate there so that should be continued. some sort of a link is there through which you can interact. Secondly, you have said that certain preferences are being given for shifting Lastly, Sir, I do not want to say what is people from there. According to that prefer- the policy of the Government. Some people ence, I got a letter which I handed overto you have criticised it. I do not like this idea that today the father of that person who is living every third day the Members should raise here has died and it is more than nine days this issue during the Zero Hour. As it has they have sent the letter through Embassy. been promised, and as the Government is But, it seems that the person concerned has now doing some good work, you try to share not got the message. Generally there may with the House what are the developments be difficulties because the information is got and what you are doing, thereby removing at the last stage. In such cases some method many of the misgivings which are there in the should be evolved so that Important action is minds of the people. taken immediately. Sir, it is a fact that large numbers of This morning again the lady come and people are from Kerala and from Southern met rna. I have handed over the letter to you States, but there are people from the East- en this aspect. Second thing I do not want to ern India also. We are in tough with your criticise the Government, J do not want to go External Affairs Ministry and they are trying into particular aspect but in these letters to do the best. One request is that when we there are information that shortage of essen- ask something from your Ministry and when tial commodities is there. You yourself know they get the informa~ion, they should be told better because you have gone and seen to share it with us. A letter wh ich came to the yourseH and in such situations there is bound Ministry was delivered two days after it came. to be shortage. H I remember right some- Why is it so? Two days, that is, forty-eight where I have seen that you have said that we hours to get an information in such circum- are exploring the possibility of sending a ship stances is a very unusual time. They should with some essential com modities. Shri Chitta take into consideration the feelings of the Basu when he spoke, also suggested to people. As you have yourseH shared that involve Red Cross. Red Cross in one of the feeling with the House, your officials should international organisations and in the past, also monitor such things that the information in the Bangladesh operations..... (/nte"up- which is coming to your office is not unnec- tior,s) I was the Vice-President of Silchar essarily kept pending. With this request, I Red ClOSS and on the 'ns\tuC\\ons 01 the thank you very muchior giv,ng methe oppor- Delhi Red Cross, I crossed the border and tunity. b) y- gave things to the people. I have seen the S RI PIYARE army acting. They never stopped, with a Red 613 Disc. undsrRuie 193 BHADRA5,1912 (SAKA) Amman, Baghdad 614 Start. by Min. of Ext. Affrs. reo etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Gulf must, at the outset, congratulate the Foreign Security Council should be for defusing the Affairs Minister for whatever he has done situation. He has rightly in his statement after th~ crisis in Kuwait. But perhaps the shown his concern about the external forces call for duty demanded something more entering the Saudi Arabia. But the last reso- vigorous. But for this conflagration or this lution which is not part of the statement has crisis, we would have been today discussing got to be taken notice of, though it does not, and demanding a clarification from the Ex- in terms authorise using of force, but it refers ternal Affairs Minister about the develop- to use of measures to be adopted to enforce ments that took place during the meeting of economic blockade. One has to think wether the Organisation of Islamic Conference. Had by enforcing or by adopting these measures, this 2nd August event not intervened, our the purpose will be achieved. By adopting discussion might have been about that par- those measures to enforce economic block- ticular Resolution. Anyway, without saying ade, will we be, shall we be helping the much about that, I can realise the difficulty negotiated settlement or retarding the proc- and the complex situation in which India is ess of negotiated settlement? America has placed in the present crisis. But more the got its own strategy. Their presence in the difficulty, the greater should be the intensity Indian Ocean they are now entering into of our stand in respect of this crisis. Saudi Arabia-should not become a source, of threat to the neighbouring countries here. The hon. Member has right ow said that We have to see that we are able to play our we,have very vital interests in the area and role as leaders of the Non-Aligned Move- much more than those vital interests in our ment. interest in international peace. I would re- quest the hon. Foreign Affairs Minister to Another thing that has got to be taken recollect the role that India played as soon as notice of is the American Statement that they the Korean crisis of fifties cropped up. How are in Saudi Arabia to see that Nasserism busy were the corridors of the United Na- does not come up again, Nasserism does not develop, and where the Nasserism meant tions and the Security Council those days in the context in which Nasser as part of Non- and what is the role that India played to bring Aligned Movement to very well known. to the surface the need and relevance for a America is has also to fight for, has got to be settlement through dialogue. Now that the taken notice of, and the preparations to see President of Iraq himself has, only yester- that there are common perceptions that our day, in a joint Press Conference with the friends all over the country, our friends in former Secretary-General of the United Gulf countries including Iraq should not al- Nations, shown his readiness for the settle- low America to have its way in that area. ment through a negotiated dialogue, the c,~ Government of India should take immediate SHRI SURESH KODIKKUNN IL (Adaor): steps to reactivate all its influence in the Mr. DeputY-speaker. Slf,-rweicome the United Nations Organisation and see that statement made by the External Affairs Minister that the Indians in Kuwait are totally we have a negotiated settlement of this safe. Several Members have sought clarifi- crisis. cations on many points after the statement was made by the han. Minister. I have raised The second aspect on which I seek the a series of points which the country is facing. consideration of the hon. External Affairs especially Indias and specifically Keralites M\n\s\er is the unwarranted entry and the in the Gu)i countries. unwarranted presence of the United States of America in the Saudi Arabian territory. Even though the Ministry of External The result at any resolution passed by the Affairs has opened three information centres 615 Disc. under Rulli 193 AUGUST 27 1990 Amman, Baghdad 616 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Affrs. reo etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Gulf [Sh. Suresh Kodikkunniij MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: That point has already been made. at Cochin, Trivandrum and Calicut, their functioning is in utter confusion. Unfortu- SHRI SURESH KODIKKUNNIL: Sir, the nately, they are only collection centres of last point that I want to make is in respect of enquiries and no information and individual the demand of the Kerala Government to user are being given from there. The situ- establish a Welfare Fund for the Keralites atlon of the Kuwait call in the Ministry of returning from Gulf countries. A Welfare External Affairs in Delhi is not so, far from Fund should be constituted by the Govern- different. Sir, thousands of enquiries received ment of India and approved by the State from the Kerala calls are just kept in Delhi. Government and consisting of 15 percent of May be the Ministry of External Affairs is the deposits of the Gulf returned Keralites, helpless in this matter. But I would to urge with the aim of rehabilitating the Gulf re- upon the hon. Minister that urgent steps turned Keralites. should be taken in whatever way possible to gather information on individual cases also [ Translation] which Is the only way to get rid of the fears and anxiety of the people of the Kerala. SHRI RAM KRISHAN YADAV There are suggestions I would like to make (Azamgarh): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thou- In this connection. The Embassy should sands of people belonging to the area I gather the messages and I.ttars of the Indi- represent live in Kuwait and other Gulf coun- ans in Kuwait and arrange to transmit them tries. I had been to my constituency only two to India at the quickest possible time. days back and had the opportunity of listen- ing to their tales of woes. While showing their 19.00 hr•. sentiments, I woUld like to make my view point in this regard. Hon. Minister, I may make another point regarding the pathetic situation in Bombay So far I can understand, creating confi- Airport. No facilities are available for the dence in the minds of people living in the Indians especially Keralites in the Bombay country is more important than instilling Airport to return to their home State: In fact it confidence in the minds of Indians living in is in a chaotic situation there. Even though Gulf countries. As such the point made by the Kerala Government has sent a team of the hon. Minister of External Affairs is not officials to extend assistance to the Keralites clear because neither we saw nor did we reaching Bombay Airport, to the Airport hear as to what confidence he instilled in Authorities have not provided any facilities to them. Friends and relatives of people work- these officers to function properly. There ing in Kuwait or Gulf countries live here and should be a full fledged set up in Bombay to it is doubtful as to how much confidence the look after the affairs of Kuwait returned Indi- hon. Minister has been able to instil in their ans. minds. When I visited my place yesterday, people asked me. Sir, the Kuwait-returned Indians are facing serious problems concerning the education of their children. The children of Indians in Kuwait had their education in the Indian Schools there which following the CBSE syllabus. Now, it is the primary duty 01 the Government of India to facilitate continu- ance of their education in the schools in the country which followed the CBSE syllabus. If necessary, you may kindly take action to accommodate these children in the schools in our country. First of all I would like to know from the 617 Disc. underRu/e 193 BHADAA 5.1912 (SAKA) Amman. Baghdad 618 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Affrs. re. etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow. Washington, situation in the Gulf han. Minister as to what discussions did he So. when there are so many flights. naturally hold with our friendly countries and what was the panic will go and you should have noted its out come? Our relations with Socialist that they have deposited Dinars equivalent Countries have always been good. I would to As. 6000 crores. It is all legal money. hard like to know as to what censultatiol'ls have earned money, and by all Indians there been made with them and what was its means. that will be more than that. So, we result? How much efforts has he made to lose foreign exchange and many other things. utilise the services of International Red Cross The Government must negotiate with the Society in this work? The Aed Cross has concerned people. This money has to be proved to be a protector of humanity. As given to these people because it is their such. how much help could be provided to hard-earned money. Of course, I know first ts Indian people living in the Gulf countries security and second is their property. So, through this society? Ours is a non-aligned please act as a leader of the Non-Aligned country and it enjoys an important position in Movement so that we can do something. the world. At this juncture it was expected of ( 2 our country to take initiatives to find out as to J I AAOF. SAVITHAI LAKSHMANAN who was aggressive and who is aggressive. (MuKundapuram): Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sar, As long as our policy is not clear. nobody I have only five points to be clarified from the would come to our aid. What I feel is that we han. Minister. First of alii heard that there is should always take a clear cut stand. We no Malayalee officer at the secretariat in should project ourselves as a straight for- Kuwait to deal with the problems of the ward nation. no matter whether we are gain- people in Kuwait. Of course, one Mr. Vargh- ers or losers due to this, it is only when we ese who is there is also on sick leave at follow a clear-cut policy, countries which are present in India. So,will the Government of straight forward would come to our help, India be pleased to appoint one Malayalee otherwise they would not. In view of the officer so that smooth and speedy evacu- above, I feel that as long as we do not make ation can take place? Secondly, most of the our foreign policy clear. the Kuwait problem Kuwaitees have suffered a loss of nearly As. cannot be solved. It is, therefore, essential 10 lakhs. Will the Government declare the that this problem should be solved not only Kuwait-returned Indians as 'refugees' or will on humanitarian grounds but also on politi- the Government give them a 'refugee' status? cal grounds. For that. our country should I would like to know whether the Kuwaitee make its point clear. Indians would be rehabilitated at all levels. Fourthly I want to know whether the Govern- With these words I conclude. ment of India would pressurise the present Kuwait Government to compensate for the [English) 6 I I wealth they lost due to war and looting. Lastly, for better communication efforts, a SHAt P.A. ANTO~.r (Trichur): Sir, about cell must be started in Trichur district be- 20,000 people from my own district, Trichur cause a lot of people are there in Kuwait from (Kerala ) are working in Kuwait and I request Trichur district, especially from Chavakad the Foreign Minister to start an Information area which comes under Trichur district. Centre in Trichur, Kerala, and the Kerala 6 I&' - I:") Cruef minister also sent to you a request to SHAI fiA LA I K.M. MATHEW (Idukki): start an Information Centre in Trichur since Mr. Deputy ·Speaker, Sir, T1fIiii1k you for about 20,000 people are working in Kuwait giving me this opportunity and I want to take itself. only one minute. I have gone through the cleverly worded statement at the han. Minis- My second request is, you may cancel ter of External Affairs couched in very nice some of our internal flights in favour of Inter- language. But if one reads in between the national Airlines and send them to the Gulf lines, one can see that the situation is as grim countries so that our people can come here. there, as it had been when the crisis started 619 Disc. under Rule 193 AUGUST 271990 Amman, Baghdad 620 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Affrs. reo etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Gulf [Sh. Palai KM. Mathew] Has the Government got any time-bound programme to get back all the Indians from there on 2nd August. So, what I would sug- Kuwait who are willing to come back to India. gest is that this is not the time for us to be I am humbly requesting the Minister to start complacent about anything. The Govern- more flights from Bombay to Calicul be- ment of India has to redouble or intensify all cause majority of the Indians in Kuwait are the steps which it had already taken. Of from North Kerala. There is only one airport course, I congratulate the hon. Minister for in North Kersfa, i.e. Calieut airport. My re- all the steps that he has taken. Another point quest is to start more flights from Bombay to I would like to point out is that the latest Calicut. leading articles of most of the leading Malay- alam papers in Kerala are regarding the I want to mention only one thing. One rehabilitation of the repatriates who are Malayalam paper expressed the feeling of coming back to India. This point has already Kerala people about Kuwait issue. Unfortu- been covered. But, I would like to emphasise nately the Union Ministerfor Surface Trans- and stress the pOint that hereafter the reha- port and the Kerala Chief Minister have bilitation process also should be given ade- attacked that newspaper. That is very unfor- quate importance and the evacuation proc- tunate. It is not good to attack the Press. ess should be speeded up. (Interruptions) When the paper is telling the ; \ truth, it is attacked. , P'ROF. KV. THOMAS (Ernakulam): Mr. DepuTySpeaKsf,"Sir, fwanffo raise only one My humble request to the Minister is , at point. The latest decision of the United Na- least in the matter of foreign affairs, you tions to allow the United States of America to should follow the stand of the previous use minimum force it needed, has given a Congress Government. When the President new dimenSion to the problem in Gulf. Even of Maldives was attacked by terrorists, at if the minimum force is used by the United that time. the then hon. Prime Minister, Shri States, it would be terminating to a war. Iraq Rajiv Gandhi sent Indian soldiers !o Maldi- has made it abundantly clear that if U.S.A. is ves and saved democracy at Maldives. My going to use any force, it will have its reper- humble request to the Minister is tofollowthe cussions. U.N. has also lost its credibility by foot-steps of our great leader, Shri Rajivji. taking this decision. Therefore, my request ( (\c, () is that India as the major democratic nation '0 DR. THAMBI DURAll.Karur): Mr. Dep- has to take a lead in this issue and see that uty §'peaker, Sir, thank you very much for there is political settlement. There can never giving me this opportunity to express certain be a military settlement. You should take this views on behalf of our Party, AIADMK For angle very seriously. the past many days, the House is very much I 1/\ concerned about what is happening in the 'v"" SHRI K MlJRALEEDHARAN (Calicut): Gulf countries, especially Kuwait. Most of Mr. l:Je'Plrty Speaker, I would seek only two our Indians there are facing problems. It is clarifications. The Minister in his statement our duty to help them and bring them back to at page 2 has said: our country. Because of war like situation and there is going to be a war in due course U There is no doubt that in Kuwait, of time, the whole world is being affected. shortages of food have appeared, This will affect specially our Indian economy making rationing inevitable; almost all as many Members have spoken on it, be- shops are closed. n cause of the oil crisis. So, he has agreed that there is no food Now it is a challenge to our foreign and bank is already closed. How would the policy also. We are following the Non-aligned Indians at Kuwait live there without food and policy so far. But I do not know what stand money? That is my first question. our Government is going to take on this 621 Disc. under Rule 193 BHADRA5, 1912 (SAKA) Amman, Baghdad 622 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Aftrs. re. etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Gulf issue. I do not know what is our stand, Out of 1,72,000 people, a large chunk whether we are doing to support Iraq or we comes from Kerala and fortunately none are going to oppose it because many Euro- from Lakshadweep. Now we have taken to pean countries are opposing this. operate 14 aircrafts. We have very good aerodrome at Calicut. Straight from Bahrein I appreciate our External Affairs Minis- or Kuwait, they can come to Calicut. Within ter for having toured and travelled many of a week, all those Keralites can be evacu- the countries to get the support for our Indian ated. I suggest this to the hon. Minister. He policy. He also met the President of Iraq to has taken lot of pains to gover there and he help our Indians. In the circumstances, he has seen the misery of the people. Kindly took it as a challenge and met the concerned see that these aircrafts can be deployed and people. the Keralites, Tamilians, Kannadigas and the Telugu people and the people of all the I want to make one more suggestion. Southern States are taken. Whatever efforts our Indian Government is making to help Indians to evacuate that The most important thing is that after place are not sufficient. Therefore, I humble this UN sanction for limited force to be used request the Government to use our Airlines there, a new dimension has arisen. 25 days A 320 to bring our Indians from there. You have already elapsed. India has been giving can use it. There is nothing wrong. leadership in non-alignment. America says "We would not allow Nasserism there." I MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let us leave know it is a delicate issue. Saddam Hussein it to the Civil Aviation Ministry. has supported our cause in KTl,mir and also we have taken a decision. Prime Minis- DR. THAMBI DURAl: Government ter also said they should vacate. That cannot be rigid on this. A 320 is a good flight. amounts to invasion. Of' course, Govern- If you are having any reservation in using the ment has not come forward directly. pilot, why can't you engage some other international pilot who can very efficiently Just want to ask the hon. Member operate this and bring our Indians? When I whether any concrete step has been taken was in Madras, many of our people met us by him or by the Government of India to and said that their relatives are still in Kuwait convene the non-aligned urgent meeting so and Iraq. They are in a miserable condition. as to interact with them to apply their mind As the hon. Members mentioned, they are and see that the political negotiation takes not bale to get sufficient food. Therefore, it is place among all these parties. our duty to help our Indians by giving all I just want to covey again my grateful economic assistance and to bring them back thanks for having given me this chance. to our country. Thank you very much for /1 j.. ;'Jiving me this opportunity. ') PROF. P.J. KURIEN (Mavelikara): Sir,l , ~ \ wouTd only like-Toasksome questions. I t,:) SHRI P.M. SAYEED (Lakshadweep): would request the hon. Minister to give us Mr.Deputy Speaker, Sir, first of all let me the action plan to bring all the Indians who congratulate the hon. Minister for having want to come back. Do you know how many undertaken tour to Moscow, Washington, Indians want to come back? Has any esti- 'Kuwait and Baghdad. He has done a good mate been made? Thirdly. there is an Airport job. 't has created a psychological confi- in Kuwait itself. Could you use your good dence among the people who are now offices to open that Kuwaiti Airport itself so stranded there. that we can bring our Indians from Kuwaiti Airport which will be less expensive and , will be very brief. , am grateful to you more expedient? You have then said about because you have given me an opportunity the financial problem. Dinar is devalued very to raise this matter. much. 623 Disc undllr Rulli 193 AUGUST 21 ~ 990 Amman, Baghdad 624 Staft by Mm of Ext Affrs r9 etc In conn9ctIOn With his ViSit to Moscow, Washmgton, situation In th9 Gulf MR DEPUTY SPEAKER That pOint de-escalation of the cnsls ThiS cnsls should has been made by others Too many Mem- be defused and the war IS to be aVOided bers have made that pOint I 1.-- L.\. :> THE'MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- PROF P J KURJEN What Jwant IS that FAIRS (SHRI I K GUJRALj Mr Oeputy- In India when we exchange rt, we should get Speaker, Sir. as I nse to reply to thiS most the exchange rate whIch was eXisting before engaged debate In the two House on what 2nd August That IS my pOint What has been thiS Government has been able to '(jo With suggested IS that It should be exchanged regard to the mlnous cnsls that has devel- with IraqI currency My suggestion IS that oped In the Gulf since 2nd August, the third when those people have given us thousands of the large Indian communrty stili liVing and of crores of rupees In foreign exchange, you working not only In Kuwait and Iraq but also must take a sympathetic vIew about It The In the adjOining UAE and Saudi Arabia SitS pre-2nd August rate should be allowed That heavily on my mind I share the suspense. IS my request (lnt9rruptlons) Are the the Insecurity and the agony of their families enquiries stili f<.lnctlontng? I gave some thou- who are WOrried to no end Particularly ! sands of addresses I have got no reply even share the agony of the Kerala people where to a Single letter SInce you have communi- every home, every hearth IS affected The cation there, could you make It more effec- wives and the mothers worry while the bread- tIve? That was the question I asked on earners are far away, not knOWing what the Fnday It was about the details of the two future IS I am also warned by the continued persons dead In ParlIament an announce possibilities of the most devastating war ment was made You have stated the one breaking out In that very vrtal part of the name as Sunny John Later It was corrected world I am gratefultothe han Members who as Sunny George by your Secretary The have artlCLJIFlted kind words In appreclatlor name of the other person dead was Hassan of the humble efforts of thp Government and So many calls are coming every day from my own humble contnbutlon In thiS direction there because so many Sunny Georges are Han Members of thiS House ana the other there They want to get the details Unfortu House have been very kind to me and I am nately In Kerala. thiS Sunny George IS a very thankful to them for appreciating au" common name So many people are having endeavour to bring home our own people thiS name So also the name Hassan Has- and to arrange for the qUickest flow of Infor san IS also a very promInent MuslIm name mat Ion of the people liVing and workmg over So many people are asking the details They there to their near and dear ones In different are not getting further details ThiS nas Just parts of India from Kashmir to Kanyakuman created some panlck In some houses India The srtuatlon In the Gulf, Sir, as thiS House IS a leading Non-aligned Country Have we knows IS a very difficult one There IS dally got any role In seeIng that thiS cnsls IS de- Increase or escalation of tensions and un- escalated? We have got a role because less collective Wisdom of the nations pre- under the leadershIp of Shn Rallv GandhI. vails, even the first step towards reversing of IndIa was the Chairman of the Non-Aligned the process may not be taken, let along the Countries Even though India IS not the emergence of a oomprehenslve settlement ChaIrman ofthe Non-Aligned Countries now, of the Gulf problem So, I may even give you we should play an effectIve role If there IS a the latest account of arrangement we have war, Imagine the Impact and repercussIon been able to make to protect the lives and on us. I am unable to explain rt As a Non- the assets of the Indian nationals and to Aligned Country, please use your good of- ensure Inflow of petrol and petroleum prod- flees. As has been suggested by Shn Say- ucts, we need to keep the whee)s of life .ed, please try to convene a meeting of the moving, our anXieties persist and we keep Non-Aligned Countries or contact the Chair- the sharpest Vigil on the Gulf area from hour man and others and try to do something to hour, day In and day out. Air India IS India should take the lead to see that there IS making four sorties a day to Amman to fly 625 Disc. undsrRule 193 BHADRA 5,19'2 (SAKA) Amman, Baghdad 626 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Affrs. reo etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Gulf home those who are assembled there. The sible. The difficulty, at the moment is that difficulty is that in Amman alone, yesterday's even the Indian Airforce planes that have to figure was that we had approximately 6000 go, we are not able to send. We had decided people. Getting exact figure may not be to send one yesterday ad one today. But the possible. There are several more on the route clearance has not yet come form Iran. way, on the move by the road, despite all the Therefore, till route become~ clear, I cannot difficult situation. We have been trying to send the planes also. engage ship to bring Indians home provided they are permitted to run the service without SHRIP.A.ANTONY(Trichur):Why can't intervention by the blocade thrown across we cancel our internal airlines? the turbulent waters of the gulf. We our- selves have adhered to the sanctions against SHRII.K. GUJRAL: The issue is not the Iraq mandated by the Security 'Counci! planes. The issue is where to send and how Resolution 661 . to send. I am willing to cancel every place provided I can take the planes inside Iraq. I Before I proceed to explain our position cannot take the planes inside Kuwait. Even with regard to the Security Council, may I If I deploy the whole, where do I send them? again say that we are trying to do our bit, our We have deployed four Jumbos for Amman best may I say, to evacuate as many as we alone. If need be we will deploy more even. possibly can and as quickly as we possible can. At the moment, there are about 10000 SHRI INDER JIT: How many passen- Indians who have moved from Kuwait, to gers are you able to carry? Baghdad ... The question of their evacuation does not depend upon the type of ships that SHRI I.K. GUJRAL At the moment we we deploy. A-320, Baing or whatever WG are able to carry approximately '600 pas- have can be deployed. But the difficulty IS sengers everyday. The clearance from that we cannot take the civilian aeroplanes in Amman will not take long. The difficulty is, for Iraq. And this difficulty has arisen after my instance, we wanted to send as I said just return because the international agencies now Air Force planes and the one as Mr. have decided that all civilian aeroplanes Inderjit has identified is the plane that we going to Iraq are not covered by insurance. wanted to send because it could bring in approximately 300 persons in one sortie. But SHRI IBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT clearance from Iran has not yet come; we are (Manjeri): In Baghdad and Basra also. trying to persuade them to letthisgothrough. That also is a difficulty because the shortest SHRII.K. GUJRAL: That is also in Iraq route for coming over land is from Basra to and Kuwait. Both. So, in that region, sending Iran. There too the clearance has not yet the civilian aeroplanes is out. Therefore, we come. Therefore we are trying to persuade decided day before yesterday that we might our friends in Iran to look at it more sympa- start sending the Indian airforee planes and thetically and more speedily. my friend Shri InderJit has rightly pointed out towards that. We are in touch with them all the time. The moment it becomes easier for us to let SHRI INDERJIT : Can't we take take the people walk or ride from Basra to Iran, help from Iraq? then it will be possible for us to send ships to even Bandar Khomeini to clear a bigger SHRII.K. GUJRAL: Iraqi planes are not number. But as it is I say it with a great deal to come out and the Iraqi Government is not of regret and concern that the speed of interested in deploying their planes from clearance is not even modest; it is very outside Iraq because they have their own small. The difficulties are obvious because sanction that planes might be forfeited and let us keep in mind the fact that we are all those things. Th&refore, that is not pos- dealing with a war situation. Th4arefore all 627 Disc. under Rule 193 AUGUST 27 1990 Amman, Baghdad 628 Staft. by Min. of Ext. Aftrs. ra. atc. in connection with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Gulf [Sh. I.K. Gujaral] account of the arrangements that I have with me, I can assure you we are trying our best. those observations and the remarks of my Before I proceed to convey to this House our friends as if everything else is normal and position with regard to the role ofthe Security only our effort is lacking is not appreciating Council and the different powers that are the situation in which we are functioning. The now actively participating in the Gulf crisis, I situation is very difficult, very delicate. But I should emphasise that it is imperative that all can only assure this House though you that of us show ou( restraint and our composure so far as the Government is concerned, we so that we are able to be in a better position shall leave no effort and no stone unturned to handle the situation. because we are dealing with the fate and the fortune of our own people. It is not a question I would also urge that it is important for of shirking anything. Anytype of plane A-320 India that a large Indian work force continues or anything -I am willing to take out an to be employed in the Gulf countries. As it is Armeda from the International Line; but the important for us and for the Members of their point is where to send them. This is the families, we must also' bear in mind that difficulty we are confronted with. The mo- serveral hundreds and thousands of other mant the situation permits us to send more, foreigners are also working there. Therefore we shall definitely send more. it will be in a way perhaps not very prudent on our part to try to create an atmosphere as if [ Translation] the entire people from the Gulf countries must come home and all Indians must come SHRI PYARELAL KHANDELWAL home. There are Koreans. Philippines, Indo- (Rajgarh): Is it possible to hold any talks with nesians, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Paki- Shri Saddam Hussein in this regard, or in stanis and others in very large numbers. So case any talks have already been held, was I think we should try to create an impression his response favourable? and try to create an atmosphere whereby panic does not prevail and we must act with SHRI I.K. GUJRAL: There is no prob- restraint. lem with Saddam Hussein or for that matter with Iraq. The difficulty is how to send our Well, I am not given to flamboyancy ships there. myself; nor am I given to the style whereby one starts claiming credits where they are [English] not due and try to only pat on my back. As far as I know. and so far as the world is con- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Not this way cerned and this region is concerned, it was please. Please don't interject. only the Indian Prime Minister who sent his Foreign Minister to Kuwait and Iran to per- [ Translation] sonally look into the safety and security of our nationals and also tell this House what I SHRI RES HAM LAL JANGDE (Bi- have observed. May I also in all humility say laspur): Shri Saddam Hussein held discus- that I was the first Foreign Minister to visit sion with you. What was its outcome? Baghdad, Kuwait in this crisis in addition to Moscow and Washington in trying to work SHRI I.K. GUJRAl: After I have con- out a policy? I think our friends must under- cluded my speach, you can put questions stand that foreign policy is not written in the with pleasure and I shall reply them. text book where I can read and tell you that I am following this policy. Foreign policies [English] are close observations of the needs as they come. We have to keep a watch on various The situation as I said in the Gulf region actions and reactions. Justtogive meformu- is very difficult. Even as I give you the latest las that in 1960 we did this and in 1940 we did 629 Disc. underRu/e 193 BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Amman, Baghdad 630 Staff. by Min. of Ext. Affrs. re. etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Guff that perhaps is not a correct way of looking will be the foremost on our minds. Naturally at things. We can draw lessons from them, we will discuss this and try to evolve some- we can learn from history; but history does thing. But in the mean time kindly keep in not repeat itself in the form that we are mind that non-aligned bureau in New York thinking it does. I can also assure you that I has been meeting. Our PAs have been in had a very helpful-at this stage I can only tell touch. They have been comparing notes and you this much-and constructive conversa- are trying to evolve a policy. Policy, once tion with the Foreign Minister in Moscow, again I must say is not something which is a with the Secretary of State in Washington policy of a corporate house that I can spell and alsowiththe Foreign Minister in Baghdad. it out to you. Because it is world events that Kindly don't ask me to share everything with we are reacting to. Therefore gradually we you as if it is a cricket match whereby I must are trying to find our moorings to try to see give you ball-by-ball account of who hit and where we should intervene and where we where it went etc. should not intervene. Therefore I hope you will kindly not insist on asking me every SHAI P.M. SAYEED: What about the morning to tell you what happened last night. non-aligned nations? It is not possible for me to tell you and I may not have much to report either. But I can SHAII.K. GUJAAL: Sofar as non-align- assure you one thing; that is we extremely ment is concerned, I can assure my friends alert, we are keeping our ears close to the thatthecrisis isof a nature whereby even the ground and we shall not be found wanting non-aligned movement is also in crisis. All when the history is written. This much assur- the non-aligned members are not thinking ance you can take from me. the same way. For instance, almost all the Arab countries are members of the non- I have in my statement proposed the aligned movement. Are they thinking alike? possibility of sending a shipload of food. I am Are they not divided? Similarly see the non- very much worried on account of food. It is aligned countries in our own region. Paki- obvious, if the blockade continues and if all stan is non-aligned, so is Bangladesh and so supplies are to be closed, then, the shortage are we. Are we thinking alike? Therefore let will come. It does not need much knowledge us not go by Mantras. Let us not recite nor much logic. Obviously, it is clear that if Mantras as if I recite a Mantra and the the food shortage in Kuwait and Iraq comes, Allauddin Lamp will work out the rest. It is not the first to suffer are the Asians-Indians, possible. Butatthesametime I must say that Pakistanis, Bangladeshis. It will be very I have been in touch with the Chairman of the myopic on my part to tell you that the Iraqis non-aligned movement. As it was by chance, will give our people first and eat themselves fifteen leading countries of non-aligned later. It does not happen anywhere. That is movement are meeting in Belgrade on the why we have been trying to persuade the 10th and 11th. I know 10th and 11 th in the United States and others to let our food present context are far-away dates. But all supplies go. If they ask for an assurance the same it has to be kept. I intend going whether that will go to Kuwaitis or to Indians, there. This meeting has been called in a obviously, that assurance is not possible. different context. When I met the Chairman But when I was in Kuwait and discussed the last time in Belgrade I had suggested to him situation with some authorities there, they at that time that in the changing world of post gave me an understanding that if the food cold-war era some of us must meet and re- were to come from India, they would see to assess the role of the non-alignme!1t in the it that Indians get their due. Therefore, this is new context and he fortunately agreed and there. We are trying to persuade the powers, invited fifteen countries. who are active in the blockade, to under- stand our concerns, understand our difficul- Then the Gulf crisis was not in sight. ties and understand our anxieties. The people Natura~1y when we meet now, the Gulf crisis here, whose families are there, the people 631 DISC under Rule 193 AUGUST 271991.1 Amman, Baghdad 632 Statt by Mm of Ext Affrs ra etc m connectIOn WIth h,s ViSit to Moscow, Washmgton, situatIon In the Gulf [Sh I K GUJaral] demn Mr lA', condemn Mr 'S' and condem n Mr IC', declare and give my Judgements as here, whose menfolk are there, are naturally to who IS aggressor and who IS not It IS easy anxIous I do hope, as the anxiety has been for me and my task would be much easier but expressed rn thIS House also, It WIll be under- would that solve the problem? Would It faCIli- stood that blockade IS agaInst whom If the tate Indians' coming home? Would It help me Resolution 661 talks In terms of letting the In trying to create an atmosphere whereby all supplies of food and mediCines go, I hope your anXIetIes can be met? Therefore, If I am thiS Will be respected Whether It IS under the adopting somewhat, what IS called, a rea- flag of Red Cross or Red Crescent, to us, sonable profile, If not a low, one, It IS also a everything IS acceptable But we want to matter of policy So, kindly do to provoke me reach out there I can assure you that we Will by talking In very loud terms or VItuperative do our best In thiS context I hope the vOice language which ultimately does not help I of sanity Will prevail In thiS can escape Into that, but then, tomorrow you would be cursing me (Interruptions) As I told the han Members the other Therefore, If I am trying to deal With the day, I am conveYing them again that the Situation which IS very difficult, kIndly under- Government of India IS not trYing to mediate stand the circumstances and the parame- I say thiS WIth a great deal of emphaSIS My ters Within which I am functlonrng The cnsls friends have said, 'Why are you not trying IS more unfortunate, as I sa.d, because It mediation?" Mediation needs something else come at a time when the cold war had Just also I do not want to be a self-appOInted ended and we were hoping that the end at mediator Therefore, let me feel my ground the cold war Will open a new era but untor let me see how much IS the scope let me tunately thiS sltuatlO"'l IS there see how many people want us to mediate Let me see who are the countnes who think Iraq's moving In the State of Kuwait on like us Therefore, naturally It cannot be August 2nd was certalnlv not justified and we done very qUIckly and In haste But at the have said so, and we have said that thiS IS same t.me, I must say that the recent Initia- not the way In whIch the politiCS and the tive taken by the Secretary General of United diplomacy of the post-cold war era particu- Nations IS a welcome stop I do hope thiS wI/I larly should be conducted Therefore, I have succeed The Foreign M,nister of Iraq IS said and I repeat that the Issue IS not at the likely to meet the Secretary--General of moment to apportion blames, the Issue at United Nations In a day or so I hope, some- the moment IS how we defuse the Situation, thing Will come out of It and, therefore, I am addreSSing myself to thiS We cannot, In a way, perhaps think In Indeed a feel 109 has been expressed terms of mIlitary power and intervention and that we should definitely see to It and help In all those things \ do beheve that mterventlon trymg to deiuse the tensIons \t IS OUf vested mlhtanly IS not a way out o~ It Some countnes Interest In de-Cuslon and aVOidance at have chosen militarily intervention, some war, we have vested Interest, not only as a countries have chosen to send their armies, people of thiS world but also as a people both from outSide our region and Within our liVing In the region and With all our large regIon These are the Situations whIch I populatIon staYing In the region The flagrant would like you to kmdly keep In mind war m Gulf IS gomg to damage us far more than we can Visualise Therefore, my anxiety 1 have been readmg recently the Times IS second to none In trying to avert the cnsls of London deSCribing the international ar- The loud pronouncements, Vituperations and mada already deployed In or emoute to Gulf, condemnations have been asked for I am and my fnend, Shrl InderJrt would have sorry, , do not go along WIth that It would partIcularly taken note of It, when It says that have been a much easier task for me If the "one of the largest assemblres of naval power House had asked me to sit here and con- In the modern hiStOry", about 100 warships 633 DIsc under Rule 193 BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Amman, Baghdad 634 Statt by Mm of Ext Affrs fe etc m connectIOn WIth hIS VISit to Moscow, Washmgton, sItuatIOn In the Gulf will be In the area In the three next weeks and several countries was persisting In thiS pol- the naval bUilt-up has already exceeded the ICY of primarily staYing close to the Arab NATO exercises In size and In complexity people They are our neighbours They are Predictable, this has brought In the vIsion of our friends We have a common history We many In the world war very close to reality have so much In common In the hour of There IS, however, stili hope for non-escala- agony, I am With the Arab people I am not tion of the confhct and gradual submiSSion to one of those who want to diVide the Arab what I would like to deSCribe as an unprece- people I am one of those who IS represent- dented international effort and Will to rebUild Ing a country-again thanks to Nehru's heri- the U Med Nations as keeper of global peace tage which wants to unite the Arab people If for noble and lofty purposeb With which thiS temporary difficulties have come In their was created I hope thiS can be achieved way, I should not be one to try to put a wedge Into this I should be one, who should always Petroleum IS a very Inflammable "qUid counsel unity and try to ask and counsel and It becomes more dangerous, when It them to solve their problems Internally Within JOinS the Inflammable human passions I the Arab world Itself That I think IS the best would, In all humility, Implore the media way out captains and mv hon Friends here that those who would and unmould the public Sir, Saudi Arabia IS particularly, our op,nlOr") to deSist from inflaming the passions age-old friend As I said about the other of the people In thiS region They have long countlres of the Gulf we know that they are been suffering from the anguish and suffer- not happy With the turn of events The world Ings of long neglect Once roused, no one cannot afford to see the Gulf conflict con- Will be able to put out that fire before It burns tinue for a long time pushing the prices of 01\ down Vital Interests of thiS region beyond even the 40 dollars a barrel The world cannot take th,s kind of a shock again The National Front Government has a The developmg nations are In far worse policy I was asked thiS morning by a news- Situation than 10 1979 and nor have many of paper correspondent to spell out my policy the developed nations reserve economIc He asked what IS your polley? My policy IS strength to Withstand another long global peace, my poliCY IS to get out my people, and energy cnsls my policy IS to lessen the difficulties we are confronted With, and my policy above all IS to Some fnends have asked me about the try to see that thiS region does not burn In stock POSition One of the fortunate things of war ThiS IS the policy and thiS IS the policy India IS that, we are In a POSition to look after that I have inherited ThiS IS the poliCY that ourselvesto some extent Thanksto ourown was spelt out by Nehru There are two types resources But that does not mean that we at poliCies One IS the broad hame and the can get over the cnsls \ thmK thIS IS tnat Issue parameters and the postulates that one can on which the entire nation Will have to girdle lay down Also, 11"\ addition to that, detailed up ItS lOinS Don't ask me, whether you are diplomacy The National Front Government's left With three days stock, three weeks stock foreign policy flows baSically from the Image or three months stock I think a time has of India and the world that was drafted by come when all of us must realise the national Gandhi and Pandlt Nehru before and after responsibility, that the situation can be diffi- the Indian Independence The role that Pandlt cult let us not start saving when It IS no use Nehru's India played dunng the Suez cnsls saving Let us start saving now It IS no use IS well-known to all students of contempo- ridiculing the Government every day that the rary history It IS a part of the endUring steps that you are taking are not enough Are hentage of India's foreign policy India has we, as a nation realignIng that, In thiS cnSIS, remained ard Will remam close to the Arab all of us have to contribute and unless all us people Sir, If you will allow me to say In all contribute, the d,fficult,es cannot be got over? humillty, that my own recent Journeys to It may not be adVisable I would say again 635 Disc. under Rule 193 AUGUST 27 1990 Amman, Baghdad 636 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Affrs. r8. etc. ;n connection wfth his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Guff [Sh. I.K. Gujaraij few things I must respens to. I have heard with a great deal of concern, the Ambassa- least I am misunderstood, to see only gloom dor of Kuwait making those remarks. He is a and doom in the present situation. I am very accomplished diplomat. I have known confident that Indians are the brave people him personally, and I respect him. And, there- and even then they are suffering in those fore, I am surprised, because when he made areas. They have the capacity and tenacity a request for a meeting, that was the day I to withstand the difficulties. I have seen it was leaving, and the office gave him only with my own eyes, how they are coping up one reply, viz. that as soon as I come back, with the difficult times. We welcome, there- he would be received. I can understand his fore, in the present situation, every voice of difficulty, because he is also working in very sanity and every voice that talte> in 1erms of difficuh circumstances; but I can assure him rationality and non-military solution of the publicly that there is nothing that we mean ... present crisis. SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: Have Therefore, I em on the side of those in you met 'him after you returned? which India is, who are raising 1he voice of sanity and non-militaristic solution of the SHRJ I.K GUJRAL: He has met my problem. May I urge that we are grateful to officers. and he has conveyed to us informa- Jordan Govemment. Because, J think. that tion about the visit of their Minister, which Government, fortheirkindcons1deration it is has been fixed. So, I can say that we mean showing for the bld1ans who are coming no disrespect to him, Of to Kuwait in any way away from Kuwait for the last few days and whatsoever. We respect our friendship w.ith in the coming days and the cooperation that Kuwait and the Kuwaiti people. Therefore, we have received from them has bean re- the Kuwaiti Mjssion here continues to func- markable. I think they deserve the thanks tion and will continue to enjoy an the privi- from all of us. leges that evel)' Mission does in this country. I must also say a few words about our Therefore, the question naturally is re- neighbour, Pakistan. The Pakistani Army lated to this, and I addressed myself to this has once again made Pakistan a frontline yesterday also, viz. about the closure of our State in the intemational conflict this time, Mission in Kuwait. The situations is extraor- against a Muslim nation. If is up to the people dinary. The Iraqi authorities, for whatever of Pakistan to approve or disapprove the reasons-! am nobody to commenton that- action of the Pakistani Army. This action decided that all Missions in Kuwait must appears to have divided the people of Paki- close. We were left with only one option, and stan, as was done in 1956 at the time of Suez that was either to defy and stay and become Crisis. It is not unlikely that if the Gulf crisIs useless for our own people-how does a countries beyond October, one of the first Mission serve its own people if the host victims will be the promised elections in country does not accept it; this is the main Pakistan. In other words, the Gulf crisis and point-or close it. Therefore, the arrange- Pakistan'S active involvement in it may deny ment that we made was that some junior the people of Pakistan the restoration of officers, non-dipJomats, will continue to func- democracy. for an indefinite period of time. tion there, and most of the diplomats will shift to Basra; but lor 2 will continue to visit Kuwait We must also take into account the every day, to be of use to our people. possibility of Pakistan continuing to gettrans- fars of high-tech weaponry and sophisti- Therefore, this is the best that could be cated naval weaponry and ships or new done in the present circumstances. Today, it products. All these naturally raise a serious is the 27th; in the last two days, most of the concern for us as well. embassies have closed down. It does not also mean that we condone Iraqi adion vis- Before I say thank you all, there are a a-vis Kuwait. I think the basic manifestation 637 Disc. under Rule 193 BHADRA 5.1912 (SAKA) Amman, Baghdad 638 Staff. by Min. of Ext. Affrs. reo etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Gulf of thatthe Kuwaiti Mission continues to func- so that if normal communication breaks down, tion here. That. I think. should clarify things. we are in a position to get information about the people over there. A question was also My friend Mr Kumaramangalam has raised that why I did not visit Belgrade. I was asked me questions aboutthe stock position not on atraining jaunt. I was travelling with a of oil. I have in a way replied to it. 11 is very purpose. I was not out for self-glorification. I difficult to indicate the prices, because they do not want to come home and telf every are rising and falling every day. Yesterday I morning that I met Mr. so -and-so who thought was told that the spot price was $ 30. I hope that I was a great man. I was not hunting for the House knows that a $1 increase in India certificates. I know that my Indians are in means an extra burden of Rs. 400 crores. crisis. Therefore, I go there only where I am trying to lessen the sufferings of my people. SHRI BHOGENDRAJHA: Are the prices I wouid go to Belgrade, as I said, when a also falling? meeting is there. But just to go on an explora- tory tour. it would have served no purpose . . SHRII.K. GUJRAl: The rise and fall are not very sharp. It is now approximating be- He asked me about NAM. I have al- tween $29 and $31. Therefore, the difficulty ready explained about India's initiative. In is one of prices; and secondly, procl,Jrement Hindi there is a version. In the whole night, persists. He had also asked me about the Ramayana katha went on. In the morining, loans and other things from the developed the katha wachak was asked, who was countries. I can only say that we are in touch Rama? What is India's initiative is very obvi- with several; but the responses are very ous to all of us. Somebody said, UN Flag hesitant in coming. But we continue to try. should be in the Gulf. Well, the Flag should be everywhere. I would welcome it. I do hope Questions have been asked about the that the concerned countires will respect it. route of repatriation. , think , have ade- Then he asked me about withdrawal of forces quately responded to it. I do hope that in the by the Israeli occupied land also. We are for coming few days, if the route via Iran opens, it. I do h_ope when an International Confer- things will become that much easier for us, ence on the Gulf crisis' is called, it will deal and our people will not suffer as much .. with all problems, because I believe that GuH problem can be solved only if it is dealt with My friend Mr. Faleiro had asked me a in its stride. Israel had occupied certain land. question. Why don't those people who are very much worried about Kuwait, which they have justi- 20.00 hrs. fication to be worried about, raise their voice about this also? There are people who have He himself was Minister of Froeign Af- been suffering because their land has been fairs. I was under the impression that he occupied; they have been suffering for long would known about the functioning of the years. The Palestinian people have been Ministry of External Affairs much better; he suffering. India has consistently raised their should have know about them. What I want voice for this. Therefore, India's principal to share with the House is this. A question stand has been followed by all Governments was asked why earlier information regarding in India; and that has strengthened India. casualties was not obtained? It is simple; it is Therefore, I do hope that when an Interha- dueto the fact that com munications were not tional Conference is called. it will deal with available. It is also due to the fact that unfor- problems in totality and only then problems tunately a wireless was not installed in our will be solved. Mission in Kuwait. I would like that Govern- ment to explain why it was not installed? It is important for us to know about the Now. we are trying to instal it; now we are US perception and assessment of the situ- trying to instal wireless in all Gulf countries ation regarding the question of oil and re- 639 DISC under Rule 193 AUGUST 271990 Amman. Baghdad 640 Statt by Mm of Ext Aftrs re etc In connection WIth his VISit to Moscow, Washmgton, situation In the Gulf rSh I K GUJaral] staff In vanous places has been supple- mented Our embaSSies In the region have gardlng prices I think those who are spear- been strengthened In order to cope With the heading the Situation they must understand work To Amman two additional Under Sec- the problems of the developing world as well retanes, one Section Officer. one ASSistant and one Personal ASSistant have been sent Mr PooJary has asked me about infor- from the headquaters and one First Secre- mation centres to be opened In Karnataka tary and one Secretary have been sent on and Tnchur, I accept It We Will open them temporary duty from Beirut, two from straightway, because I thl'lk rt IS my duty to Baghdad as also one personal Assistant- give Information (Interruptions) In Tnchur all have been sent to Damascus ThiS IS the also, I said, we Will open It supplementing done In Damascus There- fore, everywhere where the need IS felt, we SHRI IBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT You are trying to supplement the staff and there also open It In callcut Will be no hesltatlo'l on that account SHRI I K GUJRAL It IS already there About the letters we have announced that all those people who want to send letters PROF P J KURIEN Where there are can utilise the DiplomatiC Bag It Will take more people, we are not able to get informa- time because they Will go vIa Baghdad, but tion (Interruptions) they are welcome to send letters to the DiplomatiC Bag Section With only Indian SHRI I K GUJRAL That IS why, at the stamps on It. Internal postage stamps, and moment, three information centres are In then they Will be carned From that Side also, Kerala Now I have asked them to open one I had announced, that we Will be bringing all information centre In Tnchur I Will open It the letters In the DiplomatiC Bag PROF P J KURIEN Thlruvalla IS ex- There are only one or two more pOints actly In between Tnvandrum and eochln that I tllink I should explain Rehabilitation has been talked of I entirely agree that when SHRI I K GUJRAL I can assure my our people come back something has to be han fnends that whatever they Wish to be done for them But may I suggest, In all done, I Will not let them down humIlity. that rehabilitatIon at th,s WIde scale IS outSide the power and strength of any SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY Are Government? The nation has to do It en- you gOing to open It between Bangalore and tirely Let us all get together In thiS, publicly, Mangalore? pnvately by donations. by fU"ld raising and let us put our mite together and I think that SHRI I K GUJRAL Kindly drop me a has been the strength of India always In line It Will be easier for me to do so We are cnsls And. therefore, I would appeal to my keen to lessen the angUish or our people follow countrymen. 'Please do not only One thing I might explain that It was not easy depend upon the Government. Government for me to get information from there as yet Will do ItS best" Government's financial We have now one Wireless centre working condition IS known to all of you Ultimately We are trying to replemshourwlreless centre, you have to sanction the funds Therefore, once thiS IS done, then more Information Will you have to kindly keep In mind that thiS IS an come occasion that the entire nation must rise and to look after thiS shared calamity ThiS IS a My han fnends feel that queries are not calamity for all of us It IS not for Kerala, It IS adequately met The problem IS lOgiStiCS and not for Karnataka. It IS not for Rajasthan, It IS not the Will, and not the Wish because that IS for India Therefore, particularly those parts the real drfflculty that we are faced With The of India which are not suffering directly, they 641 Disc. under Rule 193 BHADRA 5,1912 (SAKA) Amman, Baghdad 642 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Aftrs. re. etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow. Washington. situation in the Gulf must do more to help those who are suffering plain to you, that this is the reason why the in this crisis. That will be a manifestation of Government of India has done an extraordi- Indian ur)ity. Not only we must cut across nary thing by saying that up to Rs. 5,000/- parties. but we must cut across all our re- they will do at the rate of Rs. 25/- per dinar gions and all our languages and everything and it is done. But the main point is, that this and put our mite together in this hour of House is the custodian of all India's finances crisis. and if the House feels that India's foreign exchange position is such that it can give, by A point has been raised about the cell in all means do it. I an-· nobody to say 'No' the Ministry. We have already created a full because it is your money and you have to division for this purpose and therefore the decide it. I think, this is something which we Ministry is trying to cope with this. need to discuss with the Finance Minister and see what are the possibilities. The value of the Kuwaiti Dinar was also mentioned. This is unfortunately outside my SHRI BHOGENDRAJHA (Madhubani): strength. International currency values are Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, everything we have not decided by India. As a matter of fact, talked about and I thank the Minister forthat. even India's international rupee value is not The rootcause here is the Iraqi invasion of decided by us. This is a situation in which the Kuwait, the blockade and the resultant war international monetary system functions like situation. Saddam Hussein has openly independently and if in a crisis like the one at said that if Israel vacates the occupied Arab the moment the Dinar has been devalued, let countries, Iraq will vacate Kuwait. Then the us hope and pray that this is a temporary whole crisis will evaporate. On that point I phase and that better things will soon hap- want to know whether the Government of pen, again. India has taken that stand of Saddam Hus- sain, whether we support it or we like other i have covered NAM. Therefore, I think countries to support it. perhaps I have covered all the points. SHRII.K. GUJRAL: My friend Mr. Bho- SHRI P.M. SAYEED: The conversion of gendra Jha wants me to be explicit where i Kuwaiti Dinar into Iraqi Dinar may be allowed was implicit. I think, i have said that the total so that the people can buy some things. situation of the Arab world should be solved. That only will ensure a durable peace. SHRI I.K. GUJRAL: When I was there they had announced that one Iraqi Dinar is SHRI IBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT" A equal to one Kuwait Dinar. That was before numbe; of Keralites are in Kuwait. Will you the crisis, but the situation is very different consider the possiblity of having a direct now. Therefore, they have decided when the flight from Amman to Trivandrum and Cali- banks start functioning and they have, to cut? And later on from Basra ... (Interrup- some extent-all the withdrawals could be in tions) Iraqi Dinars if the people so wanted. SHRI I.K. GUJRAL: Yes. I am discuss- ing at with my friend, the Minister of Civil PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Can we not do Aviation that planes rather than landing in anything on the question of devaluation of Bombay should go direct to Kerala. the Dinar? But what I said is. can we not give our people through our banks the pre-Au- SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHALA: The gust 23rd rate of exchange when they bring present Government in Kuwait is not allow- dinars? ing the people, especially the doctors and nurses, who are working in the hospitals, to SHRI I.K. GUJRAL: Again, I am not a come back. Please take care of them. If they financial expert. If I am dabbling into it, it is an want to come back, please do something for amateurish dabbling. One thing, I may ex- that. 643 Disc. under Rule 193 AUGUST 27 1990 Amman, Baghdad 644 Statt. by Min. of Ext. Aftrs. re. etc. in connection with his visit to Moscow, Washington, situation in the Gulf SHRI LK. GUJRAL: Did I get you right Nobody wants it. We do not want you to that you want something to be done for the divulge your foreign policy. But today you people who want to come back? Did I get you have yourself said that there is restriction on right? .. (Inten-uptions) the civilian aircrafts going there, you are trying to explore the possibility of sending the SHRI P.M. SAYEED: In the hospitals in Army aircraft and that permission also you Kuwait many Keralites are working. They have not got. When that news comes in the want to come back to India. Now it is in paper, whatever you have achieved will be occupation of Iraq. The authorities are not countered by this. In view of this, we do not allowing them to come back. want you to come and share with us your diplomatic development in this issue. But PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Idonotknowhow you should share with us the human aspect many number of Indians want to come back. of it. Please do not deprive us on the ground But we are getting information that the Iraqi that you do not have time to come and tell us. Government does not permit soma Indians Otherwise, everyday there will be confusion to come back because they are in essential when the news come in the paper. At least services. In those cases, what will you do? from that point of view, you should take a positive step ... (Interruptions) SHRII.K. GUJRAL: It is a fact that the Iraqi Government does not want people who SHRI I.K. GUJRAL: Your point is very are working in essential services to come well taken. I did not mean that. I assure this out. For instance, telecommunication in Housethat I will continue not only to share in Kuwait is almost entirely dependent upon the House but also in private any enquiry of the Indians. Now it would be an unrealistic any type about which I have a responsibility demand on my part to ask them, let their because it is not my personal property. system collapse and let the Indians come out. Is it not? Similarly our doctors have SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: Your been much in demand and our doctors are speaking and giving the information con- functioning in very vital areas of their con- cerns many of the Members here. Please cern. Now you know the implication. There- come and speak in the manner you have fore, I will not like to elaborate. But I can only spoken .... (Interruptions) say that let the problem of evacuation take some steps forward, let a sizable number SHRI I.K. GUJRAL: I can assure the come out first. Them I will try to solve those hon. Member that his point is well taken and problems also. But to try to attend to those will be acted upon. problems at this stage may not be very prudent. MA. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House stands adjourned to re-assemble tomorrow at 11.00 A.M. SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: I thank the han. Minister for his nice reply. H I have 20.15 hrs. understood him well my knowledge about English is not very high-he said that it is not The Lok Sabha then adjoumed till Eleven possible for him to come and explain to the of the Clock on Tuesday, August 28, 19901 House as to what is happening everyday. Bhadra 6, 1912 (Saka) Printed at : S. Narayan & Sons, Dethi-6