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Qbitutry Reference— Death of Dr. A. O Sonar 1*4 Shrimati M ira Gandhi l - f t Shri Samar Mukherjee 2 Shri Indrajit Gupta 2—3 Shn Jagannathrao Josbi 3 Shn Mohanraj Kaimgarayar 3 Shn K. S. Chavda 3 - 4 ShriH M Patel 4 Shri Samar Guha 4

Oral Answers to Questions . ♦Starred Questions Nos 281 to 282, 284 to 287, 289, 290, 292 and 293 M» *♦* *** 4—

Wntten Answers to Questions. Starred Questions Nos. 283, 288, 291 and 294 to 300 ... 28—37

Unatarred Questions Nos. 2780 to 2979 ... 37—202

Re. Motion for Adjournment ««« •** 2021 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance— Reported demand of cement Workers for interim relief ••• 202— 12

Motion for Adjournment— Shahdra incidents and alleged Police atrocities ...... 213—14

Papers laid on the Table *« ••• *•* 214—15

Conviction of Member— (Shrimati ShakuntaJa Nayar) •m ♦»» 215

General Insurance Business (Nationalisation) Bill — (1) Report of Joint Committee ...... 215—16 (ii) Evidence ••• ••• ••• ^16

• The sign~f marked above the name of a Member Indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. < « )

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Statement t o : Interim Report* of National Cmmmtoa on Ajricultore 216—34 Shri F. A. Ahmed ... Ml 216—34 T Business Advisory Committee— Fifteenth Report m ' JUUt introduced—

0) Antiquities and Art Treasure* Bill 225 (u) Rulers of Indian States (Abolition of Privileges) W 225—26 (hi) Mines and Minerals (Regulation and Drnrntopwflifl Amendment Bill 226 Ifettists (Amendment) Bill— Motion to consider, as passed by Rajya Sabha 226—33 Dr. Laxminardm Pandeya 227—29 Sfcn S. M. Banerjee ... 229—30 Prof D. P. Chattopadhyaya 230—31 €lanses 2 to 28 and l

Motion to pass 213 Wild Life (Protection) Bill— Motion lo consider ... 233—312 Prof. Sber Singh 22S—16, 290—94 Shri Dasaratha Deb 237—42 Shri Shivnath Singh 242—47 Shri H. N. Mukerjer 147—52 Dr. Karan Singh .«* 253—58 Shri Mebanraj Kaltngarayar 258—61 $hn Nimbalkar 261—64 Shri Birendar Singh Rao 2*4—47 Shri D P. Jadeja 267—70 Shri R. V. Bade 270—73 f in Nathu Ram Mirdha 270—77 Shri I B. Patnaik 277—79 Shri Yamuna Prasad Mandal 280—87 flkriinati Sahodrabai Ral 252—83

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Shri M. C Daft ••• 283—85 Shri P. Ganga Reddy 285—86 Shri Chandra Bhal Mam Tiwari ••• 287—88 Shri Rudra Pratap Singh «•* 288—90 Shri M G. Uikey 290 Clauses 2 to 66 and 1 Motion to pass, as amended 312 Victoria Memorial (Amendment) Bill— Motion to consider, as passed by Rajya Sabha 312—26 Prof S Nurul Ha^an 321—14, 323—25 Shri Miidhuryya Haidar 314—16 Shri S. M Banerjee 316—19 Shri C T Dhandapani 319—21 Shri Maha Deepak Singh Shakya ... 321—23

Clauses 2 and 1 Motion to pass ...... 326 Statutory Resolution re Disapproval ofFni n Iron and Steel Company (Taking Otrcr of Minagem^nt) Ordinance and Indian Iron and Steel Company (Taking Over of Management) Bill ...... 326—47

l)r, Laxnunaram Pandeya ... 32*5—33

Shri S Mohan Kumarmangalam ...... 333—43

Shrt Robin Sen ...... 354—46

Shri Swaran Singh Sokhi ...... 346 Half-an Hour Discussion— Decentralisation of Geological Survey of *•# M* 347—62

Shri Samar Guha . ♦ *. ... 347— 52 Shrt S. Mohan Kumarmangalam • •• tM 9«* 355—62 ■. Loi(SABHA

1 2 LOK SABHA /■ladiiiit^ ; whodiedtotragiceiroim^^ •gain w* have the sorrowful dutv to mourn

”»* » 9iiUM( Jfi^iiiiiwi vl I1M9 —- Home from Ramtek constituency of Maha- -***0* in ***. ***** Areas He w« rashtra. He had also been a Member of a,so vW* mudl concerned with workwslat* the Fourth Lok Sabha during the years *** *>lhe "*»*«* of bartfaa and ba^cwi# 1967—70. Earlier, be was a Member Of c,a**cs- 1 «a«lest' .yott. -to Madhya Pradesh and Bombay State Legisla- sympathies and deep condolences to tbe tive Assemblies during the years |946J—57 bereaved family. Though an agriculturist and medical practi­ tioner, he devoted a good deal of his time SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE (Howrah): to the educational activities, particularly in Sir, on behalf of my party, I associate my- the rural areas. During the freedom self with thesentiments expressed by you movement be had suffered imprisonment on the sudden death of Dr. A. O. Sonar, while he was a student. A very quiet and During this session we h av ealm d y lo st amiable person, he used to take active inte- some other colleagues and now cocoes tbe rest in the welfare of harijaas, uplift of sad news of the sudden death of Dr. Softar. rural areas, maintenance of commcmai He wasa sociol worker interested in edu- harmony and co-operative work. He Was cation and the upleftment of the backward present in the House On Friday last and communities, particularly harijans.VW s nobody knew that be would be snatched loss will be fell by all/particularly bythose away from us so soon* wi*h whom he was closely assorted; I and t am sure the House will join me in conveying our condolences to the bereaved ■: K&iiiM $ir, I would like , ^t^MS^iate >: WMtf and"

MtNiSTER OF SPACE (SHRIMATI w il^liw ^bit be'Wg* *n OW iree^m i^n»r INDIRA GANDHI) : Mr. $p*»lwt, Sir, f «be faid "iirtfcwa iBprtosnw®* in. 1942 toimvita^faM dof 4t ^ {u» itcuek <*!»* «**!»» *i». H» 3 Obituary Rtftrenee a u g u s t t u t m O f $3 Answert 4 was an •dtic'itSooint of wide «ep»te. I am to convey our eondolenees to the bereaved told dial when tie *a* still * student, lie bad family, OHO#* occasion done a memorable work during Hindu-Mwilim riots in order to SHRI H. M. PATEL (Dhandfcuka) establish peace. May I on behalf of my party request you (o convey oar sympathies to tbe bereaved family ? On behalf of my party, ! fully Hit toss Is a real calamity not only for associate myself with the sentiments ex­ tbe nation but for all tbose common peo­ pressed by tbe Prime Minister and others. ple both in Maharashtra and in Madhya pr&desh, where he had also worked, for SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Cental) : Sir, whom he had toiled so hard all hie life. On behalf of my group, I would request you to it is a tragedy enacted by destiny that one convey our sincere condolences to the of the freedom fighter and a very active patriotic worker who had yet many years bereaved tonify* to complete tbe service to the cause of the nation has been suddenly taken away from wmrnt xnniW* •• w«rar our midst.

«t*et wnpr % ht»t ftrarcft tfw *ptt % Sta J fully associate myself witb the senti­ *r*Bi «rfrvt «n i $w tt srm ments expressed by yourself, the Prime Minister and other friends in the House. 9*1* m f t «ft On behalf of my party, 1 would request you 5RT «»m UrtSt w n *f sr^f r. A, G. Sonar 1 join in conveying our ^ J deep-felt condolences to the be reeved femtty, (m) far Pri% *rwtlwn w Wwbt %nff nwwRfi K. S CHAVDA (f«M ) . Ob w w tf ft my m*vp and mytelf. I atnxiu* t ; *ftt aiy»df With tba semimemj expren «4 by tt» VMntMinMwandotiwri « Ot ad ilt. Or) v to t t am (Hood. 1 wouitf n q p m y*u ■■ ■ v; ■; aire';'one*p:pUiye^v■■: ■ --.■ V. ■■■■*■ ■"■■':■ ■!£ . ■;. T: '■-' ■:■■■■ :y: '-the: ■ "vU ■' , ;■' country.. However, thereis overall shortage ~ n*W f^Nntm«r" ’ : -|tt-"-tb01 :ed^^|^;ip»rilci^^ in . % wjror fa tpupr tO^a^O,_ v ■ JftiJrft

■■«i» w fo jtrm Tt»5 :m m *r$- S % 5r?f 3rr% * t w r ^Rn I ? s*r, SKt swt «rt fa SNta'rrc ^ wr«r?r jfV | fa f#;^r tffirr r o t t ^ t f t wissr terror fa f r o t o >tft wrfar: >ftter«rrc fira* f i $ arnm **TS?rr jfrn^ir sn?>rtt |w $zw W ttf % «Ntf? f. ft; w r TT3tf«rr!r, 4 f t , » ir« lr if gfr*ft f TftTrc ^ f*r?rar ? *fk SHRI A. K. KISKU : Abort Mysore and West , I do not have any specific k i t w m | « f «CfTK TW5 W «TRT information right now. s n r o t | w«rff * f t ? About the second point that the hon. Member has raised, we find that the SHRI A. K. KISKU : In the yo u 1971 doctors prefer to remain in the urban areas. we had collected some information on this There are difficulties for them to go into particular point from all the States. Almost the rural areas. However. Govercrmeni is all the States had reported that there was trying to give incentives In viurioas forms shortage of doctors except Rajasthan and like accommodation, electrical facilities^ Orissa. In Rajasthan there was a surplus water supply and so o*» pliis »oti»e rural of about 400 doctors and In Orissa about service allowance so that they may be 650. But apart from these two States, we encouraged to go into the rural areas and do not have details that other States have we find jhat this incentive that is being , surplus doctors. We have also consulted given is creating cncouragement for them the Central Bureau of Health Intelligence and we find that from the data #^a|lable^Q and the Directorate General of Employment us there are more and more doctors going : and Training;, and from the live registers to^ fas rural we ^ f » th«tt aa soon they are maintaining from 1963 to 1971 we as we are able to create the ii^^M ctiM e ^; - find thftttherehavc beensoraeplaccments for the doctors to go there, thia of for exarapie, hi 196$ therewere 1005 inthe doctor* in rural arcas wil! be solved -"

dt> bet have any •'" .-AV..''" r V;-'-/':.:1''' ^.V'T' ' *'*:.■S'V ■ v'.‘? 7 Otoff Ammrt < W AftnW J $ wwfftwn l9®-70'ft ( w%¥» college*? H so, would the Central Oom n- ment aik the Rtjasthun Government to 4o s t ? w t | f t w w i wiiwr in* takestudents to their medical coMeges m m #fc* Phi* iw b f i «pi*rtwf t the neighbouring States where them is shortage of medical seats 7 fir #tt H It w * vtf

been considered by ifce hon. U m b er as * would do is to consider whatever art tbe punishment or an unceremonious transfer. tenuity* grievances or points of view

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : He has no SHR! IYOTIRMOY BOSU : My functions there ...... question remains unreplied to. My ques­ tion was whether a memorandum had been PROF S. NURUL HASAN: Any received by the Central Government, scholar who knows the importance of refe­ whether the hon Minister had gone through rencing hi modem research would realise it and if so, what his reaction was ? Why that referencing has become more and more pass on the baby to the governing body 7 Important today and Government are giving Is he not trying to carry coal to New active consideration to a proposal to ensure Castle ? Let the hon Minister reply to tbe that proper facilities of referencing are built question If he has not got tbe reply, then up in the country because without this let him say so. development of referencing services, lam PROF. S NURUL HASAN I have afiatd most of tbe universities are going to received it, and 1 have considered it and he starved of their capacity to carry on given my reply research SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU • This is SHRI SAMAR GUHA : The hon. Minister has suppressed the facts, he knows no reply. the facts, He knows that Mr. Chittaranjan Bandopadhyaya has been degraded He Study of recession of watet table due knows the facts and he knows the contro­ to Tube Well* in U. P versy that has been going on over this *284. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP issue. Why were his services not utilised SINGH will the Minister of AGRICUL­ as Librarian there ? TURE be pleased to staie .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : While I (a) the studies made so far by Govern­ am unable to dispute the hon Minister's ment of tbe recession of water table due to contention, may I point out that the intensive installation of tube-wells, parti­ t cmoval of Mr. Chittaranjan Banerjee from cularly, in Uttar Pradesh , and the National Library has created a great vacuum there which is causing great diffi­ (b) the steps being taken by the culty there and tbe National Library Government to check this recession ? Employees’ Association had sent in September 1971 their detailed observations THE MINISTER OF STATF IN THE on the Jha Committee’s recommendations MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF* to Government 1 t would like to know SHER SINGH) ; (a) The studies made so from the hon Minister whether Government far by the Government do not indicate any have gone through it and if so, their general recession of the water table due to reaction thereto 7 intent ive installation of tube-wells, parti­ cularly in Uttar Pradesh. PROF. $ NURUL HASAN : ! would of the House to consider the earlier part of the observation that * had made (b) Qucftio t arise, n does no m0 $mt was that if a high-powered govern- with a grea^ deal of autonomy is SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP & agoftliftpr the affairs of the National SINGH ; In view of (he fact that a vast U fa # * fym a decision in regard to the agro-industrial nuclear complex Is saatem- >4ft*fte

PROP, SteEE SINGH s Tha Ceotrat nisation is now taking steps to study the Groundwater Board has two offices located availab9ity of wateir in various areas. 9ome Is UP* 0M at Lucknow and the other at other projects are a{«o there ; there is * Tbe Lucknow office is making a UNDP project aitd another with Ctoadtatt study of the water table tod at Varanasi coitaboratton. We are makii^ a study of there is exploration office for tubc-wells. the ground water In various parts ineiundtag of the south. «rt IKI***! W : f*TT WtVTt Report of the Study Groap on cefllag ea *n ^pfrf wt&TK vitx lr w w r c (Jrbno Property 4ft *wwt t, fare* *wtfa ftwpft ^ *285 SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN ; wj ff«rar ftnrr amrfc f* fiRft *N if Will the Mto'Ster of WORKS AND fira% s^#?r artf, T^t I I fur ffT- % «s «wf«t % warn-*'** THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THF MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY fagw faart t «rr wt fsryw PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY » i f i r a t | 7 OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D P. CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) Yes, sftoiRftnj m'wrx«rrf Sir. vt fre fro 1 1 »feir WTftT w i t t & z f*n*»fc: | . ipr wrrrc (b) and (c) Tbe Report containing the recommendations of the Study Group has *fatspr T rtr^ 'ff | *fh: q * m % * * m been remitted by Government to a group of 1 1 ? tfj* v z k t* r *ft *>sjfesft % Ministers for detailed consideration. Alter 2f*frr «wr *nsrrt, Government take decisions on those recoin* «ptt ^ i «* *ft | ft fa# trforr mondanons action will be takso both for *r fwft hi w<% f wi% publication of the report of the study group arr% *rf?

MR. SPEAKER : It « derive Minister*, what wilt happen to those State expression oot laughter; Governments who have already enacted laws by fixing urban ceilihg limits, aOd PROF. D . P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : wbether, after the group of Ministers has Secondly, about the broad feature keady ■ tuted that the broad ,; I am asking; wbether Govcrnmcm’s att«n~ ; have been recommended,by . ,i|on, hai been drawn to that statcmeat How ...... economical uses of the pro- ; does irn^.aifct.: 'TV ;;1 pe^ties will be given exemption, but the detaifc as to what exactly will constitute #3toei . tbe economical uses art ^ Io ^■«ut. main question. {InUirrupttQMM). SBRICHINTAKfANH1 PANIGHAHL’ SHftI UMASHANKAR DIKSHIT t May ! fcnowfrom the ben. Minister, wbe *t If A.atptrftft qatttfe»a4s puiw* i&tttfied Am Studr <3w«P tm... submitted it*,report outbutl& *. qpesticmisJiUee ■*>] on •nd it is under exaatiaattaihy thegttmp of rnbm property, not^^prroperttk IT W A N A I*. Mt* £$<**} W

CHKl S&YAWWANBAW M BH IU .: SHRI rifOTJRMOY jpOSU: They Iter* m oumt ton* at utM* *nN m r «* l m in nfrpfly election issbi* *•11 M f a kM*4 mtf MKHop, festo and the committee has also submitted * its report four months ago, about the Sfth MR, SPEAKER ; Y*tt m askta* fce What are tbe reasons for ibe Minister «f Homing and work# and he is Government delaying its abb to tell you only about «hem. and giving out its mind publicly ?

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : SHRI UMA SHANKAR D1KSHIT : The question is about urban ceiling and There has been no delay. It is a compli­ there nre other forms of urban property. It cated question. Agricultural property and is not a far cry from the main question. urban property are very different matters. ?robab|y the Minister does not understand It is as late as June...... tbit there could be other forms of urban pioperty. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU S Aprl.t

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DJKSHIT : SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHtT : Tbe question being considered upto this . . . that the matter has been referred to time relates to land and buildings in urban and it had to go through various stages areas a gd no other properties. and only recently this committee was ar pointed. There has hqon delay; it it SHRI JAGANNATH RAO : Socialisa­ a complicated matter. tion of land is the necessary pre-requisite for imposing urban ceilings. May I know Demand for training facilities for the thinking of the Government in respect Nursery Teachers ta Defci of free-bold land in Delhi, built-up land ? How is tbe Government going to socialise *286. SHRI BANAMALI PATNA IK ; this land ? Will the Minister Of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHtT: This is the whole question. There is land (a) whether there is a heavy demand which is built upon ; there is land which is to: training facilities for Nursery Teachers not built upon. Both are to be considered. in Delhi;

SHRI JAGANNATH RAO ; What (b) the number of seats available in the about free-hold land ? How are you going recognised Institutes in Delhi and the num­ to socialise it 7 ber of students seeking admissions end the steps being taken to meet the additional requirements of students o i Delhi in the SHRI R. S. PANDEY : How many field of Nureery Teachers; and States have passed legislation regard­ ing to ceiling on property 1 Is it true that Madhya Pradesh is the first Pradesh to pass (€) whether the desirability of pooling this law? What are the details ? the resouroes of the Delhi Municipal Cor­ p o rate , Delhi Administration and the fttewDefld Municipal Committee to meet MR. SPEAKER : He is giving you this demand hae been considered ? seme information that they have also passed laws. THE MINISTER OtP EDUCATION, SOCIAL WBtF^RB AND CULEURE SHRI R. ft. PANftEY : Tbey have put

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PROP. S NURtfL HASAN ; loforraa- m m ANNASAHEB fc SHINDE * We tk»tk ha* to be collected from Delhi Jutve an open mind 04 this, Actually Administration. , * that* it another proposal submitted by the Indian Agricultural Research Institute. We SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : It is too think this is a very desirable direction be- for away 1 cause most of the advanced countries are taking to anyhydrous liquid ammonia* PROF, S. NURUL HASAN : The because it is cheaper* For Indian agricul­ collection of information takes time because ture, cheaper inputs are desirable and we it is a very Wide question. {Interruptions). have an open mind. The new proposals are under examination. MR. SPEAKER : My only request and prayer is you actually keep silent for SHRI 0 . P, JADEJA : From the some time at least, for 10 (mantes at least. statement, it eeems that the Fertilizer Cor* I cannot work. You are so much near to poration of India has made an experiment me and you make my functioning so in areas having more or less the same type difficult. of soil; was there any further experiment in other types of soil elsewhere and if so, when SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU ; 21 daye* and in which State 7 notice is not efficient to get a reply from the Delhi Administration. SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : It is a suggestion for action. The scheme MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down. that has been accepted, I have mentioned. For new proposals, the hon. member’s Scheme by FertUtxer Corporation of observations Will be borne in mind. India for direct injection of Liquid Ammonia into SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: Soil Has any study been made about the 4* problems of the transportation of liquid *287. SHRI VEKARIA: ammonia m rural areas ? SHRI D. F JAOEJA : SHRI ANNASAHEB P SHINDE : A Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE number of other countries have rich ex­ be pleased to state : perience in this. We have sen* our experts to outside countries to study this. About (a) whether the Fertilizer Corporation the rural areas, we ate working out how it of India has implemented the scheme for can be done. direct injection of liquid Ammonia into the soil; and Recruitment procedure prevalent la I CA.R* after appointment of (b) if so, the names of places where it Gajeadragadkar Commission H4i been tried ? *289, SHRI BHARAT SINGH THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE CHAUHAN : Will Ihe Minister of AGRI­ MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI CULTURE be pleased to state ; ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). , Hie Fertiliser Corporation of India has (a) whether pending the recommenda* recently amoved of a trial project for npptlcalioa of anhydrous ammonia around tions of the Gajendragadkar Commission, hitherto defective procedure of the recruit­ ti?if Nangal, Gomfcfeptf? and fturgajnir una* ** a total cost of Rs. 21.06 laldts. ment is etiU continued with accelerated speed in (he IC A R. j and f f * scheme has not yet been implemented. I SHRt VB&ARIA i May I know (b) whether the *ame «* of M e m te whether any fewdt has come from that recruitment wing of LCA.R. m pobti* e*perimeftt and whether it m cheaper and We for Dr. Shah’s suicide, are still continu­ ing on tho»e p m 1

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«ft w b f«f : w jmr # Mere staff fer Hospitals h» Delhi KUMARI KAMtA KUMAR!: vrtw et'fow ftiN friftw frvtl WiH the Minister of HEALTH 1 AND FAMILY HLANNING be» pleased to state : W «m*«rw. W f f the ■■ ! \ A-.^- /uV':^- ,':-V;':i;:;' ■":",v "•'"'■ iLfTf* % wta 6-6^ % VWTK

tf*?w w ^ i r w p x *rnt, w ft vex ''H 'O tiir ■.. fa* ■..', M ^tal■ Disease*, ^MalMar. 'teiK.iiii- following. pests fnft sft ?rc snr w w tc far Chronic Pai»ot» Ward end ■ Nurses VQm $ I W fKVK *reCTT ftf **r«n: w m w fif wnr 1::.:.&£•■ .. - ■' «v- • ■ ' —• ..k '•.:... •*>?■<. -v «. Ckrwdc ftuUnto Ward* w m *rn£t w *nr fsrc Store Keeper 1 :■& U / 0 .C . ■■./..:■• . I Brick ftaftt ia SnMaapir (Mebnmil) . naming at lose . r S. Medical Record Technician 1 % Pharmacist a **291 SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will ■‘ife: L. 0. C. , i tbe Mlnitter c^ WORKS AND HOl/SiNO ba ptoaeed tb itate : 11. Havaldar ' i tfitrsit Hoitel (a) whether the mechaoieed briclc plattt ^ - in Snltanpur village oo the Mehrauli- ^ Ourgaon road eet op by tbe NaUonal . IV- Male I ': Building Conftruction Corporation itt l967 l -; le ranning at a lose from die very begiim-. I i {*>) if eo, the poeitive tt^M Q & w cm ipt b$* *o fiw t a i ^ in thU r e ^ and the varioutreaionsfor notworkhig ^ ' The folio wiag proposal for addi- ■ Usual etaff to e s ta b lis h ^ j^ A ^ iJ ^ C t^ ^ under ': t« E IflMESTEIl OP SrATB IM tHE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND PAiMILY PLANNING AMD IN TUB MWSUHY d r «KXtk»a n d h o u sin o a m o r .# . ]. Plycbiatrjit (Speciaiirt ca*Tn>iSASHOfAYA): x m - m -... 23 . G rd A n tym mkVAWMtMiSAXA) 3 VJ; OwAAitsmrs 26

- A Ctomfiiltteesetup mdeetiabeiY . W W » : '.Wt « $ w % 1971 toldmtifrihe precise difBcttltiesaad deficiencies and to mato reconimeadatioti* w ro ft tore rowifr«w*rtfrww* ter improvise the working o f the foctory. |f 11 OT* JWT *'fW $ & fwrtf The Committee** recommendation* have been received and are under consideration m firSr ^ qj* *w t tow m v m m r of Government. |, finff 1400 «wft ¥ tw « i

Tn tb« me*awtiUe ■ the Corporation h*s carriedoutcertaiaessentlal repjlr* to ; the •flpwartsiv Plant and some improvement has been noticed. The production of brickshssgone up from 5 lakh* in December* 1971 to *.55 lakhs in June, 1972. *i$ tfhr? t * ' :w w .'■ j •ft WHIR : «rWw • fleBBMHwritfMSSP >Ht in^vr % wrti- f* w iw -iw ?'}' **? nH[**w i w i f i : jprrtt Wfj m« % wf ins mw a* if « rl|» f ftr* if v i tft fefm f t w n M m f i *Mt »TftW fc O T t! jf- f% aft t o fstr 1 ,-wrtr tw* «!ta fW r- 5it|jfttnrW > « ro rr % P m *r*r %imr*rT ?

SHRI R. P. YADAV : May 1 know PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : from th# bon. Minister whetherthe Govern­ The loss, obviously, it to be borne by the ment is prepared to extend this facility to Department concerned. There is no doubt rural areas also ? about it. Some remedial measures have already been taken, Some machinery has been replaced ; some financial set up it THE MlNfSTSR OP WORKS AND proposed to be restructured and some HOUSING AMD HEAtTH AND managerial steps have also been taken. As FAMILY PLANNING (SHRI UMA a result‘of all that, it is expected that the SHANKAR DIKSHfT) : I hope, the hon. cost of production will slightly go down and Member is himself acquainted with the the rate Of rejections of bricks wilt also be exact position. It is a complicated and favourablyeffected. The labour problem sophisticate! machinery imported from J19# to These are Rumanian. Gradually, ihe tecbnical and the steps thathave ■ been taken and good other matters bavebeen brought undcr remits have already been yielded as control. There can';'■ be;'v^uestion; of obterod from tfee statistical improvements extending or using this machinery in a rural of the production. aiea. Of course.ordinary brick kilns are there and Ptlw^ :ma^riais';are being miibed. But we are not coosideriDg to ^’esU^l1^:.^';' ■'1 ® • .W? 'similar ma«hin<»ry in4 ny :t^ril::;##a of the ^ country. .. :

w m % fa * * €*t # *4 * ^ w *** w W «ti|F f*wt ? % *?rawrf¥5 wm% 8 wHr avfjf ^ iftnwr a#^ PRO*. D. f. CHATTOPADHYAYA: As 1 have *aid,. -Ip the. managerial set-up, ^ ^ irrw* we h*j)w toOttfift' .aM if $ <5irt**$a change,' Butn o *WsVlciMi' toslMtfn taken W ,*wRT fi x f t m k # m & o 4 y . ■■;■ I , jpprr M. AUGUST 21, 1972 OrttfAntwtn 28 4 . *' 1 J...... 7. ‘r'tV" -■•''■...... " • '•■'■ •’ • .•.<* .V.-iW.'. J' '. ’ «*''.•■ .«v.« ■-'. .-Ml- ' '■AJai ■ ' > .- f? .*?>i v * " * I wa»t toit»o* whether the Gowerwn*at of lndia hat given any tl»striM$H»n» with m u m % iM ift »wft # «nmn | «ft ■ ■■ •:*i.Tf, w w ? 15W f[T *t$r srawr w * rct “ ' ::« r ^ ;iii* :;:| ^ aw*

(b) A Statement is placed! on the Table of the Home. {Placed in Library See No. WRITTEN ANSWERS ?Q OUisS^ONS LT~:M52/72J, . . Eaploitation of Tribal People ■ JAFFER SHARIEF : .1 ♦281 SHRI SARJOOPANDEY : ijil§^:to khoW ■. whether . the '/State ■ Govern­ Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND ments are brmging tbe Lam} Oiling Amend- SOCIAL WELFARE be pleftsed to state ; ment as per tbe instructions of the Central the Central Land Refar:m ■■■■■t^^whetiier: tribalpeopleandseetbmg discontent#mp ^ which, ■ 08 ^ vth«-- them ^^^i^ih^M ahark»lttrtt■' arid;;;^fc^:/; movementtothe the features of tbe land . and: the dtmxtic ' jeonditiOBt are the satae, but so f*r «s the l*pd bolding* jare concerned, the tw Q w & n * (h) whfjber simttar attMiulcm fittest* have brought out different ceilings. aeiong trihals. in oifctr «r»a|» *rso;.gj*< . 30 tmmjumrp , m u v a K a 3b , iim mtt** A**en » ^ v (s) $ «o. whether Government have (b) Similar situation p m * it* in some evolved any new strategy for dealing with other tribal areas al*o. tribal problems with a view io remove tbe bitle causes elf their 19 ^ajftkly (c) A statement is laid on Hie Table of *a possible? the House.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Statement MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND Apart from tbe existing schemes in ihe SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA* SWAMY) : (a) The Naxalite movement Backward Classes Sector for the welfare of Scheduled Tribes, 6 Pilot Projects have been io the Srikakulam erea io Andhra Pradesh sanctioned by the Ministry of Agriculture was largely due to the grievances of the in the States of Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Tribal people over defective implementation of legislation intended to protect their land Pradesh* Bihar and Orissa for the economic development of Tribal areas as indicated rights and extremely slow pace of socio­ economic development in ihe tribal areas* below

S. No, State District No. of Projects 1. Andhra Pradesh Srikakulam 1 2. Bihar Smghbhum 1 3. Madhya Pradesh Bastar 2 4- Orissa Ganjam & Koraput 2

A sum of Rs. 1.50 crores has been ear­ 3. The programme of Tribal Deve­ marked for each of these projects tn the lopment Blocks should be ex­ remaining period of the IV Five Year Plan. panded to cover all areas having The basic approach m each of the projects atleast 50% tribal population « to 'dentify a core programme of econo* and funds should also be pro­ mtc development keeping in view the local vided to cover pockets of tribal needs and to supplement tt by an additional concentration remaining outside programme of a net-work of commumca* the Tnba! Development Blocks, tions, linking the areas with State National Highways and providing supporting services 4. The allotment for Tribal Deve­ in tbe *hape of drinking water facilities, lopment Blocks and tribal education, health ete. pockets may be increased for accelerated development,

The Government is also thinking of 5. For enlarging the activities of evolving a new strategy for tribal develop­ apex cooperative corporations, ment keeping in view the following objec­ financing agencies should finance tives. loans.

I. Protective legislation should be 6. Procedure may be devised to enacted and enforced sir icily for ensure that benefits flow from the Scheduled Tribes living in* general sector to the Scheduled side of outside the Scheduled Tribes* particularly for drinking areas. water, communications, health, agriculture, animal husbandry and cottage industries etc. X Special schemes should be de­ Elforts should be made to collect vised and existing schemes data constantly about the actual modified to cater to the needs benefits derived by the Sche­ «f ft* m m backward and neg­ duled Tribal k m these pro* lected *JM communities. graipfncs. iM i AOawstai.ti^ WrtttoxAn*mp- 31

7; ___.______i of tri* W * • * * a Government’* m cwuh ttorato 9 of »ajor pcqjaete should be iBMsmi pan* df projects a m * wives, and should include pfo- . §mmnses for education. training ' PLANNING m k t ;UMA SHANKAR tod equipment of the displaced (a )e n d %*). people. : from the Govemment of Ptin-" ...this provision of 30.W8 ^ propo«I wai discussed in a Cm- ■ •. hoase.s£teset an esOmaied eost bf IU.299,<50 forcac* ©fState W ttte m &f Social Wellers ' lakh* under the Central Sector Scheme for held on 23rd July, 1972. Tbe Govern'* set provision of bouse-sites to Jandless workers of India is also (fainking of appointing a in rural areaj. The cost of acquisition and Q toup of Experts to advise Government on the gross area perhouse>sitewas considered the new strategy for tribe] development. to he excessive. Tbe Slate Government hgve been requested to examifte tbe possi­ T rae^tF adnttw Jtor Girl Stedsat* bility of effecting reduction in the cost of acquisition. They have also been requested *288. im KAiiNi r n n o a ? wm to confirm that the different between tbe the Minister ofSHlPPIN 3 \N 3 IMANS- actual cost of development per bouse-site PORT he pleased to state : proposed by them end the cost of develop­ ment payable under the scheme by the («) whether Govern meat ere a ware Centre would be borne by them. The that transport facilities for the girl students Scheme will be scrutinised with a view te in Dethi are not adequate; and it* expeditious clearance on receipt of rep­ lies to the points raised by the Centre. (b) if So, the special arrangements Goveramentpropose to make in this regard? '■ - ■ * sc &n j\ r , . r ...... h PI w CT h W w w w theminister o f p a r u Am bn - TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND *294. ^ |BW : Rn% (a)and (h). Bi^een^ special trips are ope­ rated by the D.T.Crexdti*ively for the con­ f « : ; venience of girl students from the various loCatities of the city to the different womens (* ) % fwW fen | fc ;«pir: ' Jisedbystudentsfor going to the llniver- w t w n w v *W i Sity Cam>«i and colleges ^ituitei at other ^l^asiii^': Smce a nassber of regular ■ service :■ ^Ktegnpi.' xouto»■ |c» the c‘ty " a ^ <»ver tbe Univer*ity and their cotleges, - ^ *fh: ■ yj&e present arrangimsflts . are considered to mM-';ISMr8e:afide^is^e"niseis, of . (»f) .a w ^ >W jN t *J#r C^trld aid for H>aii«g Prelects ie j i t p g j ; ■■ P**i*h ■ ..■'t ; ;; 'i’;: flWT, WW* WWW WfT " m m m m •p r a s a o ' $ * $ 5 (T). f VBRMA : Will the Minister of WJAKS ’ AN& HOlJ3f ff3 be pleased to state : WWW t| (?• WBW XaVwhetherthe Government of Pun­ flwt i w *«w i t . 'ijw r f m w jab bassoafhtfliianeiat M p ttom the Geo* tralfiwdsforhsaiiag projects id ihe State;

I f Cmhnmctvt State H«Hb Mlelsten Pradefch and W «t Bengal to go into the detail* of the scheme and to suggest nee*• ♦295. SHRI P. GANGADEB : ■saty modifications to ensure smooth SHRI SHRIKISHAN MOD* : implementation of tbe scheme The Con* farence alto noted with concern the varying Wifi the Minister of WEALTH AND rate of progress of the Family Planning FAMILY PLANNING be plowed to tta te : programme In some or the largely populated States and resolved that a special tfisdy

1. National Health Scheme for Rural ♦296. SHRI ARJUN SETHI i Will the Areas ; Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : 2. Family Planning Programme ; a ad (a) whether Government have decided 3. Introduction of a systeu of graded to build a port for fishing at Dhamara near charges on medical treatment and Chandhali in the district of Balasore, Orissa health services. with full financial assistance from the Centre ; and The Sche

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i ofsanctlonhig the harbour is under (?) if so* the! reaction «T Govetnment camtderatioa. On approval,the Project . thereon t w illb e fatly M by the Ceatnl Government. $ ii ^ m M stbii o f SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 'i: Wlgju% '■ '-tiwim' iW J lT(!p!l WVnlgM -VI - —j. -' , (MlOT.S. NURUL HASAN): (a) and (b>. According to a Press Report, tbe Working ■ Committee-: Provision. of the for Indian * Union Muslim l*d«v l w a ^ y*rd, * 1i p ^ andotfcer. shore' League to its meetingheld on June23, ftoaitte# !ik« «scti^«r- Less In percfcase of Gra» by F-C-1, in Punjab, Haryana and Rajasthan duriag (fc) how does it compare with the pro- comet Rabi Season d»C*W ©f tbe same scason of last year ? ; - *299. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will tN tHB the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI to state : ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) arid (b). f%m «stimatc or production of rabi food- (a) whether the Food Corporation of grains io the country during 1971*72 is not India has suffered colJosal loss in commer­ yet available. However, according to infor- cial purchase of gram in Punjab, Haryana mattan available so far, the production of and Rajasthan in current rabi season ; likely to be higher than the record tovel of 23.2 million tonnes reached in (b) if so, whether any investigation has C i ^ 7 1 v ^ ile the output of softie of tbe been made into this ; and tftber rabi grains may he lower. (c) if so, the findings thereof 7 Jteanfegef J Mtwlim Unfvaretty nmeat'abelp THE MINISTSR OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI m u k h t ia r s in g h ANNASAHEB P, SHINDE): (a) Most of Minister or$I*UCA. the stocks of gram which where purchased TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be by the Fbod Corporation of India from tbe pleased to state H'V . - mandts and the State . Farms/Corporation on commerciai bails are still with them and L the financial tesults of the operat^ns iriU ; «t4a»itacw;.4iv> ' be known only i d ^ ^ s t o e k t ^ ..... drawntoMfee activitics of some of i Organisations who propose to work cait a 1 plan to run the Aligarh Muslim Uni- Government help in order \^ « g lg f e itsfflrinority character ; ftasctfeoefStateetew> tnnvvp ew New,* iww fjwffarpn^na. Ma iff

• • V ^ ■■■ * m .; - m m • t Mf ti m m nppotywi teta - * • MtataWof AQ*UCUUW£ ■ j i u * . ■ ■ ,. - ;$i). whether the avw sugar poHoy aano- - - ' S m i A m (Madfea f n M ) a**r 0t«d : unqed ijy the Central Governraeathai not -Iff tt» Omlipmant b^favoaredtysomeStateGcweranMBts; 27*6. SfflU MARTAND SING Df Kowt t Will tbe MinjtMr of WO&K AND HOUSING be phaatdto « a » :

witted those State Governments on tike is*ue to a«ert»ln their : view points . in 11m (b) the ' money ■ {Schema so far in Fourth ;,Fiw-; and ; : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (c) the monoy berat advmnced in (PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) and

Name of Scheme Total loan Of the loan Of the ' loan ; sanctioned sanctioned sanctioned, farther amount proposed amount dis­ to be disbursed upto bursed so 31. 3. 73 f far upto 31. 7. 72

(in lacs of Rupees )

L : Housing Accommodation 39 5

m «

Stahpara* Bhopal \ ■ Total: » Writmjm** MKH*T *1, &n *

JQttlKVp'MK In seats substantially hi ## nearM m t

(a) tt»0 number of illiterates io tbe (b) and (c)» The number of teats Is Stile of Madhya Pradesh at the end of Hie determined keeping in view the physical year 1971; And facilities available. It if for the University of Delhi and lamia authorities to consider

faflead 0* ffctttofift! IMpiomt flf the Aft (b) i f so, the frets thereof and the Indie Council f&r Technics! EdoCiton. resu lts achieved 1 fjtey also made allegations against the maoagcment of the College. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY the Delhi Administration has already PLANNING : AND ttk THE MINISTRY taken up tbe question of affiliation of tbe OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 0.P* Artwjth tbe Delhi University and the gtaot CHATTOPADHAYAYA): )* The of Degree by them. The decision of tbe reports it under examination, Delhi University is awaited. Xacomplete Abortion cam ia Lady Havtf lage The other demands of the students are Hospital, New Detbl alto being looked into by a Committee constituted for the purpose of reorganisation 2705. SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY : of the College. Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING b* pleased to state ; As regards examinations for National Diploma m Applied Art of the All India (a) the number of incomplete abortion Council for Technical Education held cases dealt within the Lady HardJnge annualy, on the representation of the Hospital, New Delhi, during the test three students, the examinatons which were to be months; held in April, 1972 were postponed to July, 1972. (b) the number of cases in which complications arose after operations and On the 24th of July, 1972 no student the reasons therefor; reported for the examination in Fine Art Sculpture groups. On the 26th of July, (c) whether these complications hava some students reported for the examination occurred due to negligence on tbe part of in Commercial Art group. But most of Doctors, while working upon the operations; the examinees and many other students of and the College gathered outside and threatened that tbe examination cannot under aay (d) if so, whether Government have circumstances be allowed to be proceeded investigated tbe matter and taken precau­ with in spite of persuation, The Controller tionary measures to avoid snob occurrences of examinations along with the Superinten­ in future, if not, the reasons therefor 7 dent of examination and the three Professors of the College, keeping in view, the past THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE experience and the situation as it obtained MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY hen, concluded that the examination could PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY not be conducted. The matter has now OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. been taken up with the Chairman of the CHATTOPADHYAYA); (a) 387 (Three Examination Committee for holding these hundred and eighty seven*. examinations as early as possible. (b) There were 27 eases with minor W HO. Report regarding use of Nareetfcs complications due to their seeking medical Ml MWMVH IHMIVViP aid at * late stege.

*7*4. SHRI M. S. SIVASAMY : Will

*<«$ whether Government have m il* P is tig J rtis af AssadaHea dered wyport by the Scientific Q & m of that the OpM»* JWHiMriof and m , sum mmwAmm m m * codlfra adh m tonae* IndttaritoafegB in tibn JHUNWALA: Will *» M v oI 43 W ritten Answers AUGUST 21, 1972 Written Answers 44

(a) whe ther Government have ~ e ­ spot assessment of the situation and to recognised th e F.C.I. Employees Association; reco mmend the ceilings of expenditure for and the purposes of central ass is tance. F urther central assistance wi ll be give n to th e State Government in the light of the recommenda- (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? tions of the study team. In the meantime, an ad-/zoe loan assis ta nce of R s. 1 crore THE MINISTER O F STATE lN THE has been sanctioned to th e State G overn- MINISTRY O F AGRICULTURE (SHRl ment for meeting its immediate require- ANNASAH EB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b) . ments. No, s :r. The Government had never re- cognised the Food Corporation of [ndia Rules for Allotm~nt or Government Employees Associa ti on. H owever, the Accomodation Food Corpo ration of India had recognised the All India Centr al Government Food 2788. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- E mployees Association a defacto bas is. In JHUN WA LA : Will the M111 ister of view of the sp lit in the Association, defacto WORKS AND HOUSING be p1eased to dealings with either of the groups of this state : Association have bee n suspended by the Food Corporation of India. (a) whether the rules of allotment of Government quarter to senior officers from type five and above are different from the Maintenance of works undertaken during low paid employees entitled to type four Famine in Ra jasthan and below;

2787. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- (b) whether while in the former cate- JHU NWALA : Will the Minister of AGRI- gory, allotment is made to officers one CULTURE be pleased to state whether the type below of their entitled type while the Central Government are also aware that the same faci lity is not available to the Low much of the work done during the earli er Income Group employees; famine periods have been mostly undone due to lack of proper maintenance and the (c) the justification of having two sets state is exposed to a worse ever Jamine and of rules, one more favou rable to hi gh paid shortage of drin kin g water and if so, what officers and other unfavourable to the low Central asl~:aragode. posal to set up Arecanut Boar,!, like Rubber Board, Cardamom Board etc. to give some protection to Arecanut growers '! (b) The scheme on arecanut techno- logy and utilisation seeks to diversify use of arecanut for purposes other than chewing. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Investigations on the alkaloids in arecanut, MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI utilisation of residue for industrial purposes ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : No Sir. like hard. boards etc; manufacture of chewing There is no such proposal under the consi- gum, tooth paste and beverages, will be deration of the Government of. Indian at undertaken under this scheme. present. iff AtlQW T WrUrmAmmrt : "te ■■■ ■”ia-: . TBB MINISTER OS STATE IN THE MtNISTK'K.’OP AGRICULTURE

(«) >heth«r the department of Gent’ ■ :!' Poatpowneat of Delhi Utttverstty 1 - ml Public Worlct Department and Delhi (AwfediawDBiU Develoittnwit Authority m functioning nztder tlw Works «»d Housing Ministry;:■ 2W . SHRI K. MALLANNA : WM Hie Minister of EDUCATION AND (fc) if so, w ither tbe Jnniar EnginetM SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state t. to CP.W.JD. are denied ■ promotion ©**® after ten years of service while the Junior (ft) whether a* memorandum by the in D.D.A. ire promoted to ft few members of the Delhi University Teachers Association had been submitted to the Prime Minister seeking postponement of the fc) if io, the reasons Ibr allowing such Delhi University (Amendment) Bill and ^H^jrltiM to continue for indefinite period / retention of the federal character of the University; and TIIE MINISTER OF WORKS AND h o u s in g An d h ea l th a n d fa m ily (b) if so, the reaction of Government P L ^ ^ W fc (SHRI UMA SHANKAR thereto ? iiiK ^lIT ) : (•) T!» Cwtral Public Works Department is an attached office of THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, the Ministry of Works & Housing whereas SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE the Delhi Development Authority is a Sta- (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) The tutory Body functioning under the overall President of the Delhi University Teachers control ofthis Ministry. Association addressed a letter to the Prime Minister on August 7, 1972 appealing to her (tr) and (e). Tike number o f Junior to coasider the repeal of the Delhi Univer­ Engineers with 10 years of service in the sity (Amendment) Ordinance, 1972 and also ::%^jDii*ii.l»l^.^it.i$'.'iioi possible to to meet a deputation of the Association on :;^^^jiler,ftlf’ of them for promotion, the following day. The deputation met the Prime Minister on August £, 1972* is ft Government D«»rtmeot and the D.D A. is an autono- (b) The attitude of the Government appropriate to regarding the various points raised was ^oitapiirn*&» avenues of promotion in the explained to the deputation* two OrgaB^lons as these depend upon* the *trength of ■■ ' of Science■'' Academy■ .and ;■:■ ■ j^ S ii^ 'W ^ lim b e r: of vacancies availa- Physical Education Institute hi Me fr^m time fo tube" and the number of ■■North fiMtern Region ■ ocotnotion.‘ ■ ' 2795. SHRIROBTN RAKOTI 'm i Of : EDUCATION AN& 279$. SHRI SADHU RAM : Will the • Mlftiti*- °f AGRICULTURE be pleased to : whether 28.000 tractors ere proposed (a)' whether there is.any:' proposal .under: tobe imported during 1972-73, if so, their ifienk top* «ootfti7 rwtM and make-wise, and —!•#•.. ^ obttpjiMy m> or in. &K.D. or Inttituie in any ot the Statesof Nwifr* ■CJU*, pnefcs **A wtth whatperceatftie of Els#mR*fton; and - '■ ^ *UV*pr 4R ' IWHi'trfaM8RAVANA mittfH Anrvtrt 30

MlNtSTXY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- SWAMY): («) No, Sir. Witt the Mlitistcar of AGRICULTURE bn piessed r/X -T;:vVV^', (a) wbether shortage of tractors ia "th t country** adversely Meeting the *Gr*en ^ Central Revolution*; G»«eraaic^ EiiMloye«9 to States . aftdUofoa Territories (b) if so, the steps pfoposed to be tikan in this regard; and ' ■ S -W 9 * SHRI ROBIN KAKOT1 ; Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING (c) the number o f tractors imported be pleased to state the amount of loan during tbe last three years and the antici­ given to Central Government employees in pated demand in the next two years ? Attain, Nagaland, Meghalaya, Manipur, Tripura States and the Union Territories of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TOE Arunachal and Mizoram for tbe last three MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI years upto March 1972 for construction of ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (a) and (b)v houses, State* wise ? Rapid promotion of ‘Green Revolution’ depends intet-alht on agricultural develop­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ment through farm mechanisation. Thfe MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY demand for tractors and all typcsoffarm PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY machinery has, therefore, increased consi­ OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. derably. With a view to meeting the Over­ D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : The infor­ all demand of tractors, it has been decided mation is being collected and will be laid to import 20,000 tractors. Import of tractors oo the Table of the House. as gifts from Indian relations living abroad has also been allowed. Besides, steps am also being taken to Increase indigenous pro­ Joint Organisation of Authors, duction of tractors. Publishers aad Book Sellers (c) The tractors imported during the 2797. SHRI V. MAYA VAN : Will the last three years were of the order of 40,784. Ministor of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL The assessment of the demand on scienti­ WELFARE be pleased to state : fic basis during the remaining period of the Fourth Five Year Plan and also the Fifth (a) whether establijhmsnt of a joint Five Year Plan has been entrusted to tha organisation of authx*, publishsrs and National Council Applied Economic Re­ book seilors in the country, is being con- search. Their report is awaited. tempiated to foster batter understanding among three vital components of pubUshisig Development ofAdivasi Regioas industry;and 2759. SHRI M. C, ID AG A : Willtiie ., ■ :■■■■■ WELFARE be pleased to state : (a) the amount spent, so for, b y th e . Gi^ern^ ;for; « & . . ^V«iIojpflient' m m m i m a w of neglected Adivasi regions in the oountry, . SQCIAL WELFARE XSHRI S. RAMA- '. giving the amount spent on each item and whether a list in this retard will be planed on the Table of the House; . to bo further oon- (b) the amount spentso far on Gon- sidnrad for tho Conj^nHtoe. the pttfposat is fttvn tad Xorta tehsils of Udaipur district in rind no dnttlHi 'ftgye and tb# imgpro^etnent made in the lot of the bean 3nnlb*d.; adivasis tif thisregion; and 52 ~1 Writttn Answers AUGUST 21, 1972 Written Answers

(c) if no improvement has been made High Powered Board for development of Adviasi areas in their lot the main problems facing th-, people of the said Adivasi region and whether Government's attention have ever 2800. SHRI AMAR NATH CHAWLA: Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND been drawn to them 7 SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased a state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND (a) whether G overnment have a pro- SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- posal to appoint a high-powered board for SWAMY) : (a) Plan allocations are made by the all-round development of Adivasi areas; the Department State-wise and not region- wisa. A statement showing the expenditure (b) whether a final decision has been incurred on the various schemes for the taken in this regard, if so, the composition welfare of Scheduled Tribes in the country of the Board; and up to 1971-72 which is in addition to the general schemes is la! d on the Table of the (c) when the Board is likefy to start Sabha. functioning 7 (b) and (c). The requisite infor- mation haa been called for from the State THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Government and will be laid on the Table MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND of the Sabha when received. SOCIAL WELFARE. (SHRI K. S. RAMA- SWAMY : (a) to (c). At present there is no State me/It &uch proposal to appoint a high powered board for the all round development of Name of the Scheme Anticipated tx- Adivasi areas. pendirure on the welfare of Subsidy to Small Scale Units for Employing Scheduled Tribes Grauduate Engineers and Diploma-holders upto 1971-72. (Rs. in crores) 2801. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Will tho Celftrti/, Sector Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state: L Post-matric scholarship 12.41 (a) whether Government are awaro 2. Girls Hostels 0.83 that Punjab Government is giving subsidy to 3. Pre-examination small scale units for employing graduate Training 0.12 enaineen and diploma-holders; and 4. Tribal Develop- ment Blocks 55.91 (b) if so, whether Central Government 5. Co-operation 5.47 have any such scheme with them ? 6. Tribal Research and Training 0.78 THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 7. Other Schemes 13.44 SOCIAL WELFARE AN D CULTURE ------(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : (a) Ye1, Total 88.96 ___,__ ...... ,. Sir, State Sector (b) The Central Government has decid- 1. Education 38.20 ed that under the Programme of Appren- 2. Economic Develop- ticeship Training small and medium indos- ment 42.77 trial units which agree to employ fresh ':1 Health, Housing engineering graduates and diploma-holders and Others 19.35 will be assisted on the same Jines as the ---- Punjab Government Scheme. An engineer- Total 100.32 ing graduate wi ll be paid a stipend of Rs. ---- 400/- per month and a diploma-holder Rs. Grand Total : 189,28 250/- per month. The expenditure on the p rnntm * m * » JJL w i n *i wTOW l{lclflWlfi Sf^rW f i THE MINISTER 01* STATE IN THE MINISTRY OP AGRICULTURE (SHRI ANNASAHEB P, SHINDE) : (a) tto, Sir,

2 8 0 2 . m m : t o (b) Poes not arise. fasrr «rtt trow m m m w*t «m% Various Types of Imported Vertttlcere * t rn fa wt toit vr Prfrt demanded by Public seder Fertilizer Manufacturers firftrwr W *r ’•rrofhr *1 f*rbj %% *rc % ft? % firfa*r W f % 2804 SHRI MADHURYYA HALDARt Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be ff pee fiwn, «w i *wns »ftt «W> of imported fertilisers demanded by the public sector fertilizer manufacturers (sft. qw (c) if so, the steps Government propose to take in this regard ? wi»r*r fctftar t o r * t f v t i i f w r w m | ) THE MINISTER OF STATE It* THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Preoirsacot of Raw Cotton ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The retirements for seeding programme of m 3 . SHRI R.V. BADE : Win the various types of imported fertilisers for the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to year 1972 73 as indicated by the Public ttaie: sector Manufacturers are given beJows

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Ho«t«ls rttt by Cri*tia«i Missionaries v ■ #&: M iw irr^ 2806, DR. LAXAMINARAYAN PANDEYA : WB1 die Mittiatwof EDU- CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state; (b) *nd W. Tb» Univwtity Ortati OMftnlnfcm tor.**t op (CotemfcMfe to ta& tnt' tof VsbSbS «T ■***»&* r f t* * ' •m ***o«ly Id K eraln ia bytfceCffJtUi® MMoMdn in Is#*; QM .PVt ^(PPf WrittctiAnswrri AJSmm 21^912 Written Aarwer*

of ladastrid L e c tio n . The wttfk ofthe , fonnatioBt uieir Committee is hi progress This question k views are stH! awaited. also under coaiftatjoB of Hie Ministry of -'fitfbour.'' ' ^Nagaland'hlwi;;i^.iniated: Distrib«tfe»of Food SMTitt Fair Price of a ceiiing oa irfban property is uot necet* . ... Stops io Bnraland Urban Aron sary and that, however, they will caifcfuttj' 2*08. SHRI P. NARASCMHA watch the development and inform the REDDY: Will the Minister of AGRI- Governmentof Jndia whenever need strises CULTURE be pleased to state : for such action.:;.: ■

intends to Tamil Nadii has intimated that the :«*Mt rural areas its 11m proposal,' being * commies; one, would have «ot«itry wherc due to limitations of food to be considered in all its aspects before a <|oae«^l3!^: arrangements'. legislation is undertaken at State level or for distribution of food stuffs at fair pikes Central Level. They had also appointed a ; jpvoyltfeidt; ■ Committee to go into the matter. Theif the ether steps contemplated to ■ fina> views are still awaited. meet thcir need in sevcral large areas io the • Manipur has intimated that the propos­ ed legislation should not extend to the ' ■ STATE IN THB ’ Tribal hill areas. ' <3>F A4QIUC?tJCTURiE ANNASAHEB P SHfNDE) : (a) and (b). Pondicherry has intimated that they Yes» Sir; The State Governments have have no objection to the legislation being lifteady been advised to activate the public undertaken but would prefer to await the distribution of foodgrains through fair price reactions of the Tamtinadu Government shops^ opeo roow fair price shops especiaily in raral attd inaccessible areas and -increase before they finalise their thinking, ; -mteUnis; ones, " The

'iWftu ^ ■ MnamA .:■ (*) ftowft sftar sf w $f flpwf of WORKS AND HOUSING bc pleased co state ■ A *TO $ 4R!WTE fWttWf VT ■n%' flwrr «rat; Slate Government* ■ especially Tamil Nadu have expressed doubts on proposed urban ceiling legislation; and

. m i . t , MINISTER OF STAT£ IN THB Mmsti&LY OF &EALTH AND FAMILY WRW fff ffw . WI *lWipf WC PtANNlNG AND fN THE MINISTRY w n w * p m t. 4 A { < f iiN O r WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. AT1X5PADHVAYA) : (a) and (b), Manipur, w not . j * '' imttaated 31 m ■ 61 Written AnswerS' SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 62

Cost of Production of Wheat Efl'.:ct on human beings of Foodgraia1 sprayed by Pesticide• 2811. SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN: Will tho Minister of AGRICULTURE be 2813. SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : pleased to state the cost of production per SHRI NATESINGHRAO quintal of wheat on un-irrigated land and GAEKWAD: the model farm~ taken into consideration Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE by the Planning Commission for that be pleased to state : purpose ?

(a) whether foodgrains of the crops THE'. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sprayed by pesticides have a tendency to MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI cause impotency in males who eat s;;c1a ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : A Compre- grains ; and hensive Scheme for Studying the Cost of Cultivation of Princ;pal crops in different (b) whether Government are aware States has been recently undertaken, which that experiments carried on by scientists in will also provide information on cost of Great Britain and USA have revealed the production of wheat. Some data on cost aforesaid phenomenon 7 of production of wheat had also been collected in the post for a few selected Dis- tricts under the Scheme for Stwdying the THE MINISTER OF STATE JN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Economic, of Farm Management. However neither the Comprehensive Scheme for ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No such Studying the Cost of Cultivation of Principal information is available with our scientisis. crops nor the Scheme of Farm Management (b) No, Sir. Studies is oriented to specifically assess the cost of production per quintal of wheat on un-irrigated land or on model" farms. Execution of work under crash scheme for rural uneducated unemployed in Birbhum, West Bengal

Model Scheme for Adivasis of Chhota 2814. SHRI GADADHAR SARA !'loagpur Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE bca 2812. SHRI M. S. PURTY: Will the pleased to state : Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : (a) the number of proposals of work under 'Crash Scheme' to provide employ- (a) whether the people of Chhota Nag- ment to the uneducated unemployed in rural pur of Bihar are not getting the benefit of areas of Birbhum that have so far been the mineral wealth available there in received from district Authority of Birbhum abundance ; West Bengal, and approved by the Central Government ;

(b) if so, whether Government propose (b) the names and numben of 'Block to draw up a model scheme on socio-eco- Office' which got thc.ir schemes approved nomic and technical basis for the develop- and where work under the approved schemes ment of Adivasis of that place, who are started and the amount of work so far economically and socially backward ; and done;

(c) if so, the broad outlines thereof 7 (c) number of 'unemployed' so far given employment and the amount of money THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE so far been spent out of total amount of MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND Rs. twelve and a half Iakhs sanctioned for SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- Birbhum for the current financial year for SWAMY) : (a) to (c). Information is being the work under this scheme ; and collected from the State Government and will be laid on the Table of the House as (d) the amount that remain to be speut soon as received. during the remaining part of the financial ** nmmm***** Komstn.im mitw+aAm #

i m& A t proposal* «? war* und«r lopment Btoeks fbr aflroimd development consideration for execution *h*fr to fee under- of trial arcus in the country wbich satfifir taken for the rest of the financial year, tbe following criteria block-wiae f i*1 200 sq. miles THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY Of5 AGRICULTURE (PROF. m A total population of W jM SHER SINGH) : (a) to (d). The infor- xottiOn is being collected from tbe Stale (iii) A tribal concentration of 66-2/3% Government and will be laid on the Table (iv) Viability to function as a normal Of tbe House as toon as possible. administrative unit

Passenger liner craise frwn B onkyto beadies in Goa and Kerala Each Tribal Development Block is entitled to get Rs. 42 iakhs during the 15 * 2815 SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- years period from the Second Five Year THAM . WiU tbe Minister or SHIPPING Plan when they were started. AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state ; The Union Ministry of Agriculture have (a) whether Government have examined also sanctioned sue Special Pilot Projects for the possibility of a passenger liner cruise backward tribal areas tn the country. The Horn Bombay down the West coast to areas covered under the projects are (i) beaches in Goa and Kerala ; and Bastar (two projects) in Madhya Pradesh, (ii) Srikakulam in Andhra Pradesh, (iil) (b) if so, the results thereof 7 Ganjam and Koraput m Orissa and (iv) Smgbhum m Bihar. Each project has an THE MINISTER OP PARLIAMEN­ outlay of Rs. 1.50 crores for the remaining TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND period of Fourth Plan. These projects aim TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : at coordinated economic development of

2817. SHRI P. NARASIMffA Expenditure for 1 development of Tribal Areas REDDY; Will the Minister of AGRI­ 2816. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRt: CULTURE be pleased to state ; W*H the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : (a) whether the Managements of O h operative Sugar Factories in Andhra Pradesh (i) whether Government have sanc­ have been permitted

THE MINISTER Op STAtB I* TUB TUB DEPUTY MWISTER IN THB MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE MtNJSTXY OF EDUCATION AND A v tb A sA B e a *. a t t m m ;<$>»• *OOAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA. tWwtar letter *44mm4 hr M pme&ft Hm q v m v m * ttta& tovimMaM W W D tti. meni o f A n d ta & * * * & , in dMfc* 65 Written Answers SRAVANA 30,1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 66 sugar factories under production in the State Governments from year to year by the State, the following draft amendm~:nt was Ministry of Finance. This scheme is also suggested for adoption in their By-laws :- financed in some States from the Life Insu- rance Corporation loans allocated by this Ministry. The State Governments are free "No employee of the factory shall to determine the programmes to be under- canvass or otherwise interfere or use taken under the Scheme and the funds to his influence in connection with, or be allocated therefor according to their stand for, or participate in, an election requirements and priorities. to Parliament or State Legislature or local authority. He can, however, cast his vote as an ordinary voter." The Seminar on the Evolution of a National Policy on Housing and Urban (b) The constitutional propriety or Development, convened in April, 1972, otherwise imolved in th~ aforesaid sugges- recommended inter alia that all urbanisable tion will be examined. · lands should be socialised with a view to ch~ck speculative gain in urban lands and Restrictions on sale of Land in big Cities for mopping up unearned increments in their prices, for the b~:nefit of the commu- 2818. SHRT B. V. NAIK : Will the rrity as a whole. The recent Conference of Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be State Ministers of Housing, Town Planning pleased to state : and U. D. held in July, 1972 has also endorsed this recommendation. The exact (a) whether there is a proposals for scope of such a policy for socialisation of freezing trade in urban la.1d for a specific urbanisable land and the ways and means number of years in bi!! metrooolitan cities to achieve it have yet to be determined. like Bombay, Calcutta, Delhi, Madras, Hyderabad and Bangalore in order to curb Compilation of 25 years' speculative trade in lands through the tool of black money ; and 2819. SHRf SAMAR GUHA : Will the Minister of EDUCA TfON AND (b) if not, how the price of urban land SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state: is proposed to be controlled, for the benefit of middle and lower income group people ? (a) whether National Book Trust has eatrusted Shri Subhas Mukherjee to make THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE S'!lection and compilation of 25 years' MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Bengali poetry, and if so, whether it will be PLANNING AND IN THE MIN ISTRY OF translated into 16 Indian languages ; WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D P. CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) and (b). (b) the names of the poets whose peoms There is no such proposal with the Govern- have been selected ; ment of India but some State Governments have passed legislation prohibiting transac- (c) whether poems of many eminent tions in urban land for short periods so poets like Sudhindranath, Dutta, Jibana- that the object behind imposition of ceiling nanda Das, Amiya Chal::ravarty, Samar Sen, on urban property is not defeated. How- Buddhadt:v Bose and others have been ex- ever, a scheme for providing as~istance to cluded and the reasons therefor ; and the State Governments for large-scale acqui- sition and development of land for housing, (d) the steps taken by Government to called the 'Land Acquisition and Develop- make the publication a real representation ment Scheme' was introduced in 1959. The of 25 years creative poems ? scheme aims at stablising land prices and arresting increase in rents by providing THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE house-sites to prospective house-builders in MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND the lower and middle income groups at SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- reasonable cost. , The scheme is, at present, SWAMY): (a). The National Book Trust included in the State Sector and Central has been entrusted with the publication of assistance for its implementation is included an Anthology of Indian Poetry Since Inde- in the block Central assistance allocated to pendence, the compilation of the Bengali 67 Written Answers AUGUST 21, 1972 Written Answers 68

section of which has been entrusted to Shri SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- Subhas Mukherjee. For the present it is SWAMY): (a) to (d). Government of proposed to publish translation into Hindi India have not received any proposal for and English only. reorganising the Higher Secondary and three year degree course in West Bengal. (b) A list is laid on the Table vf the It is, however, learnt that Calcutta Univer- House. [Placed in Library. See No. sity has a proposal under examination for a LT-3453/72]. two year intermediate course and two year degree (pass) course and three year honours (c) Out of the works of the poets men- course. The attention of the State G"vcrn- tiom;d, only the works of Samar Sen does ment has been drawn to the National Policy not find a place in the anthology. Resolution of the Government of India which recommends a broadly uniform struc- (d) Subject to the general restrictions ture for the country of a JO. year school in all anthologies, every attempt has been course followed by a 2-year higher secon- made to mak-e the Bengali anthology re- dary course and a 3-year degree course. As presentative of the Bengali literary scene some other States are also considering the ...ol since independence by entrusting the com- introduction of 2-year degree courses, the pilation to an eminent Bengali poet and by meeting of Education Secretaries and getting the opinion of two eminent Bengali Directors of Education held in May 1972 critics on his collection. passed a resolution urging State Govern- ments to maintain tho status quo until tbe Reorganization of Higher Secondary and matter i5 examined by the Central Advisory three year degr~e course in Board of Education. The matter i~ to be West Bengal discussed at the next meeting of the Crntral Advisory Board of Education to be held on 2820. SHR1 SAMAR GUHA : Will 18th September, 1972. the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : Effect of delayed Rain on next Crops

(a) whether Government's attention has 2821. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : been drawn to the proposal for reorganisa- DR. KARNI SINGH: tion of Higher Secondary and Three-Years Degi ee course in West Bengal. Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : (b) whether such charges are being pro- posed in consultation with the Education Min is try and in co-relation with the struc- (a) whether the Government have got any report about the prospect of next prin· ture of Higher Secondary School and College cipal crops in the country; education in practice in other States of the country and iii accordance with the recommendation of the last Edu- (b) whether the scarcity of rain will cation Commission's report ; if so, the effect cui tivation and if so, the extent of broad outlines thereof ; likely failure of next crops; and

(c) whether meeting of the Education (c) the steps proposed in advance to Ministers of all the States proposed to be meet the situation arising out of drought held to co.ordinate and I armonise struc- and scarcity o.f rain in different parts of the ture of education ; and country and other detailes relathing to the illSUO? (d) v.hether the Education Ministry inquired or 1\ill inquire about the reasons THE MIWSTER OF STATE IN THE behind the thinking or proposal of West MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Bengal Government for re organtsation of ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (a) and (b). structur~ of school and college education ? From most of the States in the country, reports have been received that due to de- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE layed monsoon, deficiency of rains during MINJSTRY OF EDUCATJON AND June and July and uneven distribution of 69 Written Answers SRA VANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Anrwers 70

rainfall, the sowing transplanting of kharif Training of surplus trained Teachers In crops have been adverseiy affected in cer- subjects for which there is demand tain areas. Rains since the beginning of August in most parts of the country · have 2823. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK proved beneficial to standing crops and DR. LAXMINARAY AN would also enable re-sowing of certain areas PANDEYA: with the main crops or inter-mediate crops. The overall prospects for kharif season Will the Minister of EDUCATION would be considerably influenced by weather AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to during the remaining part of the season. · It state : is too early to give a precise idea of the likely failure or shortfall ia the production (a) whether a large number of Gra- of kharif crops. duate and Post-Graduate trained teachers are unemployed because there is no plann- ing and co-ordination in the field to assess (c) The main steps which are being -the requirement of trained teachers at all taken to cope with the situation include levels; extension of irrigation water supply through (b) whether there is a dema'nd !or train- emergency schemes, supporting measures ~d teachers in certain subjects; and for re-sowing of kharif crops cultivation of intermediate crops through ..supply of (c) if so, whether the desirability of seeds and other inputs wherever necessary utilizing the services of surplus trained and initiating advance action for securing Graduate and Post-Graduate teachers by substantial steps up in the production of aiving them short training in the subjects forth-coming rabi and summer crops. Minis- in which they aro in demand has been con- ters and senior officers have visited several sidered, and if so, the outcome thereof 7 states and a number of schemes have been agreed up.on for immediate implementation THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE by the State Governments 7 MINrSTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA· SWAMY) : · (a) to (c) According to avai- Vacation of Building in possession lable information the number of trained of R.S.S . in Banaras Hindu araduate teachers and trained post-&raduate University teachers registered with the employment exchanges as on 31. 12.7 I was 22683 and 2822. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 4704--respectively. The number is at no Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND time very Ia rge because the places available 'SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : in the ·teachers training institutions are con- trolled, C:epending on the number of ·vacan- cies of trained teachers likely to occur in (a) whether the. building in the posses- schools. sion of R.S.S. in the Compus of Banaras Hindu University has been vacated; Whereas there is a demand for trained teachers and since the subjects for which ~ uch teachers are required are known, it is (b) if not, the reasons therefor; and not considered necessary to impart any short term training. Full courses of study are considered essential for properly trained (c) how long it will take to get the teachers. premises vacated 7 Plan to meet DrinkinJ W tier P;oble m in B!inlli Area or Kutrh THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 2824. SHRI VCKARIA : (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) to (c) : SHRI SO VI CH <\N D SO LANK! The civil suit filed by the University for Will the Minhter of HEALTH AND vacation of the building in •possession of FAMILY PLANNING be pleased w R.S.S. is pending in the Court. state : 71 Writren Answers AUGUST 21. 1972 Written Answers 72

(a) whether there is a great problem (a} whether some employees of the of drinking water in Banni area in Kutch I.C.A.R . at the Head Quarters fikd a Writ district; petition in the Delhi High Court against the Union of India in June, July, I970; (b) whether Government are consider- ing a plan submitted by Gujarat Govern- (b) whether some Officers and staff ment to supply water through pipe lines in on Government and Non-Government sides that area: and of the I.C.A.R. were paid honorarium for preparing the reply of the Government and ancilliary work connected with the Writ (c) if so, decision of Central Govern- petition; ment and the time by which the plan will be implemented ? (c) if so, the names of the various Officers and staff who were sanctioned THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE honorarium and the amount paid to each MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY of them; and PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF ~ WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D . P. (d) whether the grant of honorarium CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) Yes. was permissible under any rules and whether any Officer or member of staff in the (b) and (c). A scheme for providing I.C.A.R. was paid honorarium in connec- water supply for Banni area at an estimated tion with a similar writ petition filed by cost of R3. 79.65 lakhs was recently sent employees of I.A.R.I. in I966 ? by the Government of Gujarat for approval under the Accelerated Programme of Rural THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Water Supply. The scheme was not appro- MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI ved for being taken up unJer the pro- ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a). Yes, gramme as it was not found financially Sir. viable. (b). Yes, Sir.

Buffer Stock of Foodgrains (c) . Honorarium was sanctioned to the following officers as indicated against 2825. D::z . KARNI SINGH : Will each :-- the Mioist.::r of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state poss ition of buffer stock of food- 1. Shri B. S. Yadav, grains with the Government at present ? Under Secretuy ... Rs . 1,000.00 2. Shri Darbari La!, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Secti on Officer R! . 500.00 MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI ... ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : Excluding 3. Shri A. R . Jain, stocks in the pipeline, the total physic)ll Section Officer ... Rs . 500.00 stocks of foodgrains with Central and State 4. Shri V. Krishnamurthi, Govern men ts in the beginning of August, Assistant Rs. 450.00 1972, were about 8.2 million tonnes. ... Taking 2.5 million tonnes as operational 5. Shri Lal Chand, stocks, the butf.::r stock was about 5. 7 Personel Assistallt Rs. 450.00 million tonnes. 6, Shri T. V. Krishna- murthy, Personal Writ Petition Filed by Employees of Indian Council of Agricultural Asstt. Rs. 200.00 Rescarcll in Delhi Higll Court (d). Yes, Sir. No officer or member 2826. SHRI BHARAT SINGH of staff in the I.C.A.R. was paid honorarium CHOWHAN : Will the Minister of in connection with a similar Writ petition AGR!CULTURE be. pteased to state ; filed by employees of I.A.R.I. in 1966, 73 Written Answers 8RAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

Number of Patients given Psychiatric Mental Hospital, Shahdara during the last Treatment in Delhi Hospitals two years;

2827. XUMARI KAMLA KUMAR! : (b) the number of patients who got Will the Minister of HEALTH AND cured; and FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : (c) the number of patients who are expected to be cured in 1972 ? (a) the number of patients who came for treatment in the Department of Psychia- , THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE try in Pant Hosp1tal, All India Institute of MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Medical Sciences Hospital, New Delhi and PLANNING (SHRI A, K. KISKU) :

Siatement

G. B, Pant f:lospital, All India Instt. of Mental Hospital New Delhi Medical Sciences Hosp. Sahadra

(a) the number of patients 1970 9653 7204 15760 who came for treatment in (in ·1970-71 ) Department of Psychiatry : 1971 10338 6182 25 127 (in 1971-72)

(b) the number of patients 1970 466 1 538 who got cured; and I @ * @ 1971 465 I 557 (c) the number of patients 425 Similar results are 540 are expected to be cured in expected. 1972? * The Psychiatric treatment is a long term method of cure. Complete cure initially is difficult to state and determine. During 1970-71 & 1971-72 approximately about 30o/c of the patients who attended OPA or were admitted as in~atients, became completely symptom free. Another 50% of the rest improved considerably so as to make a suitable social adjust- ment. It is expected that of the rest about 50 % again become manageable in community,

@ No. discharged.

Admission in M.B.A. courses, Delhi (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) There University are two M.B.A. Courses in the Department 2828. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI of Busine5s Management and Industrial Will the Minister of EDUCA TlON AND Management namely, (iJ M.B.A. (full-time) SOCIAL WE LFARE be pleased to state : for the fresh graduates and (ii) M.B A. (PaJt·time) for the working e~ecutives. The (a) the criteria adopted for admission criteria prescribed by the University of in the Master of Business Administration Delhi for admission to each of these courses course in Delhi University in 1970 and 1971; is given in the enclosed statement. (b) whether persons from News Agen- cies are not given any reservation; and (b) and (c) ; No, Sir. Part-time Courses (c) if so, the reasons therefor ? are open to all eligible! candidates both from private and public sectors and equal THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, opportunities are offered to them to com· SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE pe te for the course. !^/:v fUflLji _J__'1 Mi' ''IwaA mMMmom S M im f nVpBf wvura W [f II .'JyBVBE, u w |mn!»crcc «ml TechnoJogy and secured at sor candidate* provided the eatt^ l^ast fifty pcrceoi marks in aggregate In the didates sponsored have atleasttwo fiml><»w^amiti»tioii, Prcfereneewiil year*# experience atthejuoior be givep to those coming from disciplines executive level. ; I;# * cfcsj^oj© *,' Sociology, ■■ Economics, ■• *ftd Mathematics. • Selection of candidates for admission to Retexatioo frOm the minimum marks repair * 1st year M.B.A. (Part-Time) Course is made in tbe ftrst degree examination may be on the basis of their performance in the made $®r * holder of pott-gradtiate ■■Degree, academic achievement, sponsorship about V'l^toV)#. or Certf 0<»te in any or the afore- the can didates and tbe final interview. *aid di»cip!ines or in Law. Statistics, Opera- tion R«earch, Public Administration, Post- Oradttate Certificiite Course in Office Reservat'on «f seats lor State* In evening taw centre, Delhi Supervision forWOmen of the Department University Law College ofBusineas Management and Industrial Administration, University of Delhi, provi­ 2829, KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : ded he or ; *l*e' has secured at least' sixty' Will the Minister o f EDUCATION AND percent of marksin aggregate in such an SOCIAL WELFARB be pleased to state ; ;:;«^teaiion..' ,

Admission toM.B.A. ■'■ Course will (a) whether thereJ* reservation of seats bestrictly in order of merit determined on for admission for States in the Evening Law Centre (Mandhr Marg), Delhi Univer­ the following criteria: sity Law <*) Candidate** previous academic (b) if not, the reason* therefor 1

T H i MINISTER Of* EDUCATION, (b) Candidate1* score in admission SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURfi Ivi::i/te*f*, group discussion conducted . (PROP. S. NURUL HASAN) : (*>awl (b): by the foptftnmt; No* Sir.:.... Admitsions ~ > aria made on' tli*, basis of merit in aoco^danoe wit h the prb* ■ ■ ^ C5a«i4iiftto**' -iKWifie- ^gt; : 0wb' : .}-X& ■ ^ o ^ U < ^ ’:by:::the Department*

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' I . Every candidate seeking admission 283d; t i M.&A. 1 Course shall have . KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : paMed a Buchetor’i Degree Examination in Will the Minister of et>UCATION AMD ■jifiui,-&aW, Commerce, Science, Engineering SOCIAL WBLFARB be pteased to flta«* : OS Technology o f the University of Delhi ' oM*y ® t^ U^vertity recognised ge tqok, (a) wh»tlm Ooy«rtt

um iusm f.tsm m w n a m Tbe Slber Government &miiJated and lent m e M W O ttt OF EDUCATION, ia tbe i w v tq m m j«f India e prctject for SOCIAL w e l f a r e a n d c u l t u r b tb« development of $0 tefected regulated (PROP. S. NURUL HASAN) (*) No, markets m the Stale for assistance from Mr. It it for the Uahwrttiei t t bnmtuM tbe IDA (International Development Amo- N tt coums of itudy « ttajr deem aaewwry elation, an affiliate of tbe World Bank). At wfcMa tbe IHuMMrork of tfeeir Acta tad tbe instance of tbe GOI the Prpject was Statutes. appraised by tbe IDA and sanctioned for an assistance of tbe order of US $14 mUltcm (b) Doe* not arise. (Rs. 10 16 crores) The Project wbicb 1s now under implementation includes some financial assistance from Government of Request from Punjab Government for AnitteflM for constructing Strategic India also. Roads Under a Central Sector scheme of the 283! SHRI SUKHDBO PRASAD Ministry of Agriculture for the development VERMA : Will tbe Minister of SHIP* of regulated markets financial assistance ING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to may be availabieto markets Committee, of a state : few selected regulated markets in Bihar, among other spates, to enable them to draw (a) whether Punjab Government has institutional finance lor the development of asked for Central assistance for construct­ tbe markets. ing strategic roads in the State; and

(b) if so, the reaction of the Centre in National Policy on adult Education this regard 7 2833, SHRI SUKHDBO PRASAD THB MINISTER OP STATE IN THE VBRMA : DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY SHRI ARVIND NETAM : AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM MEHTA) : (a) and (b). Strategic Roads WiM tbe Minister of EDUCATION works, assessed to cost about Rs. 23 crores, AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to with hundred per cent grants*in*aid from state: Central Government, are «lrea dy under vatfout ftjkges of processing and construction. No fresh demand bis been received. (a) whether Government am considering to evolve a national policy on adult edtica* tion; and Assistance for Wholesale Markets In ftlher State (b) if io, the main feature# thereof ? t m , SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD VBRMA t Will the Minister of AGRI­ CULTURE be pleated to tta te ; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TUB MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA (a) whether Bihar Government it conal* SWAMY) : (a) end (b)« The policy to be daring to develop wholesale markets in H» fttopted hi wigard to Adult Education Is St*!#; and already included to the “National Policy on PWW|W?> e IwKPffTi IJOYflTOflJWH WQ ( b li ML (the gfliifld considering tbe question ptf making ** m m ftr fo»#MCe&are«>4tbem ttipBrftln O a m i m m t u d l ft f‘ 4m jtfeidm # Am eriwtt 0m

BiWttf te D l Z. Ar^ofNtw Defti mauls in ameliorating the housiiigooadlttatK of the people to* lower income brackets. Of Ibaso, the following schemes, at present, :3* l# M ia the State Sector '

1. Integrated Subsidised Housing Schetnc for ImJustrial Worker* and ;;;-:v^mm::MM # ; M ::AG SICU U ^B Economicsilly Weaker Sectionsof ". to the :i*f|>Iy: given to ■ the Community Unstarred >; CHATT0PAPHYAYA (a) and (b). been taken up W implementation «tfy i*S 2*: tbe Government of ftom the begfenirit of & * a » e t f y§ptfttial . .a' jWBml*ar 6f aocial, year. A provision of Its* 5 :i Jipustog sto n e s to help the / State-'. Govern* •. made 4&; implemeatatfcnof m . «t W Humdmrn mvANASAf04<&MM) *2

4Kl0f Am current ye«r Mw**! MW&er Regaesf fron Mysore in nationalise « m ofRS, TJ.00 Wrtu bs* fe w provided Sogar hm m tf far implementation of the first Scheme. 2*37. SHRI C VL MFFSR SHARIEF; Salient feature* of theae Schemes are Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be avaflabie in the Parlimentary library. pleased to state :

3. Apart from these Schemes, a Central (a) whether tbe State of Mysore baa Government undertaking, cailtod tbe “Hous* approached the Central Government for in^ and Urban Development Corporation/* nationalising the Sugar Industry m the has recently been established with an equity country; aad capital of Rs 10 crores Tbe Corporation it expected to build op a sizeable revolving (b) if so, the reaction of Government fund for providing financial assistance to thereon ? tbe State Governments and tbe State Hous­ ing Boards for accelerating implementation THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB of viable housing programmes. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF, SHER SINGH) : fa) No* Sir. 4 There is also a scheme for 10©% grant for improvement to slums m some of (b) Does not arise. the larger ciUes, in respect of slums which cannot be rebuilt for a number of years to Selection Committee Member appointed come (10 years, proposed to be reduced to as Professor ia t h T. Delhi 5 years) A sum of Rs 15 crores is pro* posed to be spent under this scheme during 2838. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJ­ the current year. PAYEE : SHRI MGANNATH RAO JOSHI : Prices aad Performance of a new Tractor with German Collaboration Will the Minister of EDUCATION, AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 2836. SHRI C K JAFFBR SHARIEF: state : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : (a) whether the Selection Committee o f Indian Institute of Technology, Delhi chose (a) whether a new tractor DWVTZ 40 one of its members for tbe appointment of H*P. Model D 40006 with the collaboration the Professor of Curriculum Development of Germany has come in the market; and Celt in the Civil Engineering Department of the Institute ; and (b) if so, particulars regarding its price (b) if *o, the reaction of Government ? and performances ? THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION* THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI (PROF. S NURtJL HASAN): (a) and ib \. amnasaheb p. shinde* •

(A) whether an environment scheme has Total : 200 been taken up in 11 cities having population of eight lakhs ; and The assistance ts available for environ­ (b) If so, the main features of the mental improvement to existing slums •efreme* names of the cities and total normally consisting of water supply, sewers, amount that the scheme is expected to storm water drams, community baths and cost ? community latrines, widening and pavmg of existing lanes and street lighting. TUB MINISTER OP STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Deaths dae to mal-mitrition in Malda PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 2840. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) ' (a) Yes, MALIK * Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to (b) This scheme provides for cent per state : c»nt grants to the State Governments for Cftnying out environmental improvements (a) whether many mal-nutrition deaths in slums m eleven cities which have a po­ have been reported from Malda m West pulation of not less than 8 lakhs each The Bengal; and amount allocated for the purpose during tbe year 1972-73 is Rs. 15 crores and it has (b) if so, tbe steps proposed to prevent b*en agreed that projects costing upto such recurrence ? $*. 50 crores could be sanctioned tn respect THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THE of these cities during this year. The names MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY of tbe cities and the amounts allocated are as ttnder :~~ PLANNING AND IN THB MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and SL Name of Amount allocated (b). The information is being collected tad Nd. the City for 1972-73 will be laid on tbe Table of tbe Sabba*

(Rs. in crores) I. CSaleutta Metro- A«»aas District 3 5 m i SHRI & M. BANERJEE : Will 3. Creator Bombay 2 S

movement of foodgrains by ro* d *» Assam W) if not, (he reasons for the same 1 despite oviMMiiKty of railway wagon *; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TH$ (b) iK so, the reasons for the tam e: MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI «nd ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No such (c) whether this has been objected to complaint has been received and hence the by the Employees’ Association of Food Cor* question of institution of toy enquiry does poration of India ? not arise.

THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE (bj The supply of pulses to Bangla MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Desh refugees was made by the Food Cor­ ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) ; (a) and (b). poration of India in accordance with Fair Average Quality specifications through the Io If 71, during the moOsoen season and almost up to the end of October, the rail, State Governments and the Department of river and road communications in the Rehabilitation of the Government of India. Eastern Region v ere seriously interrupted (c) Yes Sir. by floods. Consequently, the movement of foodgrains from sectors served by the broad (d) Does not arise. gauge and tbe metre gauge railways to North Bengal, Assam, Tripura, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Mampur, was seriously affected. Bvenlng Classes H» Nefcni Memorial Homoeopathic Medical College, Subsequently, emergency operations com­ New Delhi menced in tbe Bastern Region. In the circumstances, it was considered essential to 2843. SHRI S. M BANERJEE: immediately build up three months* stock Will the Minister of HEALTH AND of foodgrains ia Assam and other States in FAMILY, PLANNING be pleased to state t the North Bastern Region. It was not possible to do so by using rail transport (a) whether Evening Classes in Nehru alone. The Railways v'ere simultaneously Memorial Homoeopathic Medical College, engaged in other urgent operational move­ Defence Colony, New Delhi have been ments in the same sector. Therefore, the stopped from this year; movement of foodgrains by rail to Atsam had to be supplemented by road up to 1.1.1*72, (b) if so, the. reason therefor;

(c) Does not arise. (c) whether many Central Government employees with requisite qualification for of poises by F. C I. te Army admission into that College, will he pot to a (• operation to Bangladesh greatei disadvantage with the decision of the and Bangladesh Refugees authorities to dose down Evening Classes; and 2842. SHRI S M. BANERJEB : Will the Minister Of AGRICULTURE be pleased (d) if to* whether Govenuttept *ift to state; consider opening of Evening Claeses Colleges (a) whether any enquiry has been ins* in Delhi for affording the Centra! Govern­ Muted to tlidt truth about the supply of ment employees with tW* ftcIJMy to view of sub-itandard da! (poises) by Food Corpo* the shortages of doctors its Delhi ? ration of fodi* to army while hi operation THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB » Bangladesh; MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND IN Tf$B MINISTRY (b) whether cam* quality ofjurists wore OF WORKS AND HOUSING <*ROT, D.K *»pp«ed to Um Bangladesh refugees; CHATTOPADHYAYA i (h) Y**, S% (c> whether procedure laid and (o). Some data on housing shoo Untoochebility Act is being enforced wore tage have been collected during the 1071- vigorously. Interrelate marriages ere also encouraged. More hostel accommodation Centos* These data have yet to be tabu* laied by the Registrar General. Is being provided in tbe general hostels f°r Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe stu­ dents* Candidates wltb brilliant academic qualifications are M bg offered scholarship* s i s s r . p a r Life to* study Abroad. Adeqsat* have taken to reserve certain percentage of pcnts m f . MMt *. V. »AIK : WBJ *• end m * both to Q to m tyxm , *»& WmJPAKStoplwMiou*!*; ML*. Ttifatg* ‘ ***** are ** m t i m ******* m & m h ****** * also to get 4 # beBcfitt from tie general trficthcr fVntril m imtm j*ogfafcmes also. Different Sint* Govern* Id dififerent educational institutions 10 m mem* have tafcen nptbe programme of dis- Schoois and Colkges, by Oo verwaent, cons­ trifaotin* tbe land bom for agriculture nnd titutes a major portion of the revenue ea- penses of these institutions; housing to people bekwlgUig to Scheduled » C*s«s end Scheduled Tribe*. (b) what step* Government tube to en­ These measure* have succeedcd Id great sure the proper utilisation* of this inenelal extent In bringing Scheduled Castes and assistance; Scheduled Tribes in the mainstream of tbe Indian life. (c) whether tbe Government nominee* on the Managing Bodies of these educatio­ nal institutions amount to any encroach- Ceastlttttloniil benefits te tehees Commuftltie* of Scheduled Ciiie* taent on the educational autonomy of then* and Tribes institutions; 2 M . SttRF B. V, NAIK ; Will tbe (d) how far this autonomy principle is Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL working compatibly with the clean manage­ WELFARE be pleased lo state : ment of these educational institutions; and (a) whether the constitutional benefits (e) whether Government contemplate flowing to the Scheduled Castes and Tribes nominating their Directors at least in edu­ are equitably distributed among the various cational institutions with bad record* of caites and communities comprising these management ? Scheduled Castes and Tribes; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB (b) if so, the communal composition of MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND the elected representatives belonging to tbe SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA* the various Sdbebuled Castes and Tribes ia SWAMY) ; (a) Central financial assis­ Parliament and State Legislatures, caste by tance constitutes a m^or portion of revenue caste, vis»a~v.s their population ? expenses of a few educational institutions like Schools and Colleges. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OP EDUCATION AND (b) Annual audited accounts and annual SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI tC S. RAMA* reports are obtained and scrutinised Ins­ SWAMY) (a) : Even among tbe Sche- pections/reviews are earned out where duled Cattes & Scheduled Tribes, there are necessary. poor and neglected sections. The benefits flowing to the Castes & Communities comp­ (c) It does not amount to an encroach* rising Scheduled Castes A Scheduled Tribes meet on the educational autonomy of the cannot be said to be even. institution*.

(b): Eligibility for contesting election* (d) The mstonoay principle ia working to the Lok Sabha & Vidhan Sabhas it not compatibly with clean management of based on communal considerations. Seats educational Institution*. are reserved in tbe Lok Sabh* and State Legislatures fee the Scheduled Caste* A (e) The question will be considered on Scheduled Tribe* on the ba*i* of their being merits a* and when an ttecijuon arises. included to the ii«« of Scheduled Caitc & Scheduled Tribe. They are eligible to con­

test election* on account of being *o w NNWB h PQM| w ifrnfrW w e declared, Sdaoei* ned CeMi®Be SH t. SHRIB.V. MAIK: Witt « * Mid fcaMettnoe to MU!ttar»r0>U0A,TlON AN» SOCIAL W BU^teptaurtwuu** »M*i i M a : m m Mlnittsp.jaf fi& ueA tf«»f AJNfiB B D O kt t Snr W#fW"WH jpVPp—*- shif 1tlirffitltfM»a pi"tifin * tmiii wimmtHuA ttit WELFAiBtWfMlWi *>•*#• t i* Pi Wrtom Amwm a u g u s t i u i m beingekcled lo % of the the Delhi Administration have suspended privstely run Cetitrally-aided Schools and tbe Managements of these schools on Coileeesiand account of fealty working and partly

(«) whether ia Delhi many private school* are running with Government aid Complaints against Houses constructed im amounting to more than 90 per cent of their Sector *B’ ef VIZ Area, Now Delhi expenses and their management is still m tbe bands of private people/bodtes/trusts/ 2850. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will societies; the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to refer to the reply given to (b) if so, whether there is any proposal Unstarred Question No. 784 on the 20th under the consideration o f Government for March, 1972 and state : nationalizing such Institutions; and (a) the number and serial number of io) if so, by what time these are going quarters where the complaints against irre­ to be nationalised ? gular slopes in bath rooms and defects in polishing, separately were attended to; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL (b) whether it has been brought lo bis WELFARE (SHRI K.S. RAMASWAMY) : notice that complaints registered in t|e (a) to (c). Tbe Delhi Administration is Enquiry office at 5, Haig Square are not giving recurring maintenance grant to the attended even for months together; extent of 93% of the approved expenditure to i f f aided schools in tbe Union Territory (c) the effective step* proposed to be Of Delhi All the aided schools are gover­ taken in ibis regard and ensure that ail tbe ned by the Delhi Education Code, 1965. complaints registered in tbe satisfnctloti of According to the Delhi Education Code, the tbe occupants; and approved expenditure for maintenance recurring gran* shall comprise (i) salaries (d) whether it is proposed to institute of tbe staff appointed wi'h the approval of an inquiry is to why there am so nsany the Department to the extent of the number complaints in these newly constructed quar­ of pet* wbfeb have been sanctioned and ters ? approved by tbe Department of grant-in-aid pun>a«e*in acwrdance with the post-fixa- tip# n it# mad (U) C F, Fund contribution THE MINISTER OF WGRK£ AND # Hds imw »ta& „ When complaints have HOUSING, AND HEALTH AND FAMP-Y been received by ibe Delhi Administration PLANNING (SHRI V m M V ft llm «ueh fedAOdL D « M « r > : » # " * £ * * * * * ttAVANA A M** iSAXA) 9*

|*) Cutvtotom r*t*nfflir br*tpt*r w m f f («ft» * o m q f y m m ) : ( * ) The above list does not M d e *o«ne *np i quarters* where such defect* had been repor­ ted directly to the contractor, who wa» responsible for rectifying th«<« defect* during (•) wmr«n*r % w itf % *mirt the guarantee period* tn (c) The Enquiry Office* have instruc­ tions to attend to all complaints as early a* stir ««w m v T tt^TT v w k spot m ra w « instituting an inquiry doe* not arise. »ror *r«ifsf % nfta* im M W iw i t n W ? www *Nt «rai$r fir ...... ,^.<1^.. -- ■ -■ mBL. _.l— 4j.. . vmTTJrm v r u w w f wwf f a : wwft 1 1 flrt'fr % srt«9 f%wwH «re ( * )

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‘T ■ . \w k ^ M k totainw in the Workshop of Delhi Transport Corpo­ mm fiwN iPtt wirw #*i*n *f ‘*»#r ration under repairs and average Kfe of a but in the Delhi Transport Corporation; .- ■ '■li« k '.i-i:,A ' ’ ' - A j , : . v ::■■■' ■ -’’’ ■.m.i'.-i*. r.- WOTPf I W W V m tj -*'■■ (b): ;tiieaverage,i»ile**i.si^^ ;■ -Mr;: -,'W% '■■ rf^ClFW ; i w m Delhi Transport Corporation bus daily along withthe 'viim-'iKiMibnA* >;=,: "?*■ ■ (c) the average cost during a year separately* for thefint second, third and so on year of its scquisi- flurfSMft ' lion ? ■ ;.■■■■'-.'r';r- k & i$ ) ■ 4 2 5 8 ■,; . THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY w ftw sf' ■'■ ■. AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM MEHTA) ; (a) Nincty-eigbt buses of f*m ■;" the Delhi Transport Corporation were held up for repairs at its Central Workshop asd Depot* as on 16* 8» 1972, The average life of a bus in this Corporation Juts so far been i ^ . s;' twelve years. , (b) The average daily mileage covered by a bus of the Corporation is 178 Kilo ■■ V-.-'. ./■“ v3j^-'iprifir; ##^ :?iii-' « * $ ^e«r meters for an operational period of 13-1 jZ hours, pi» an average per day.

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.'■V;> (a) whether no student with less tbae ■ per ^ l :iiiark*:ii» Scbool-LeavingEwiiii- '. ■'? M ) M ¥ *■:.- '.. ■ nation has been adncritted to the per^Medioil CMt^tapa*, r|o . :|^e'. ■■;■■ ■a^d,;; ■ -/f-V

■ iCfeL :■■ ’■ v•' Divitioners who could not g*t adnohsioa to . Re*at«*<*f DT.C. ta w the pre^Medtcal course to Delhi University T '^ ■ ': 1 & fc. SKRI FATI&INGHRAG Will the. MiniHer of SHIPP­ SOCIAl- WELFAJtE AND CULTURE ING A W TOAHSPORT be pleased to (PROF. S. NUKUL HaSAN* >. -Am i fSuiHpV' ' 'WmmuEmtVn, kV f t m m t M w m & t m <*aic A W ru m m m * * n

IN Itaivmily «f jDeHt! Iherenre W candi* v UniMedical College dates obtaining $7% tod bale* marks but and All India In state of Medical sibove 60% marks who oonld not to* Sciences, New Delhi, exclusively admitted to the fcre-Medical Course. for Delhi University Pr^Medicat First Biviskmers besides arranging seats for them in medics! colleges Adnriselen in Medical Oefitge nf DelM in the neighbouring Stales, and at 2856. SHRI 1HARKHANDE RAI; tbe Postgraduate Institute of Wit) tbe Minister of HEALTH AND Medical Education and Research, FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : Chandigarh. They also demanded tbe setting op of another medical (m) whether only $50 of tbe 500 college around Delhi for these students this year. eligible students in Delhi have been Admitted % to tbe Medical College* this year; All possible avenues were explored (b) whether the parent! of the students for facilitating the admission of as who were denied admission have submitted many of the eligible students of a memorandum to the Government in this Delhi as possible in medical connection; and colleges. It was, however, not found desirable or feasible to in­ (c) if so. the action taken thereon? crease seats at any of the medical institutions in Delhi without THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dilating the standard of medical MINISTRY OF HEALTH ANO FAMILY education. 40 seats were increased PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY at Maulana Azad Medical College OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. and 30 at Lady Hardinge Collage P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : for Delhi students as recently as in 1970. The University Medical (a) to (c). More than 475 of the eligible College could admit 100 students students of Delhi have been admitted to the this year according to its rated medical colleges this year. This includes annual capacity without affecting 50 students admitted to Meerut Medical standards. Demand of the par­ College. Some more of the eligible students ents and students to increase this of Delhi have secured admission in medical to 125 seats could not be agreed colleges outside Delhi on the basis of open to without compromising the competition* Their exact number is not quality of medical education yet known. which is of a complex technical character as opposed to general 2* Several Memoranda were received education in a college or a univer­ by the Government from Delhi sity. Moreover, the demand ip Parents Association on behalf of the memoranda to increase saats tbe students who bad passed tbe exclusively for Delhi students at Pte-Medicai Examination of Delhi the All India Institute of Medical University in the First Division, Sciences, Now Delhi and at tbe Factual position was explained to Post-graduate institute of Medical the representatives of the students Education and Research, Chandi­ both through interview and through garh also could not be accepted in official Communication. A Press vie* of tbe fact that these are statement was also issued by institutes of national importance, Government explaining the posi- , with an alMndia character, being tion to the public and all concer­ financed entirety by funds of tbe ned, Tbs Health Minister *lso Government of India and reserva­ addreseed a Press Conference in tion off cents their exclusively for Hula. iwMmihfliin TUft iL/fnirtififBTirili students of a particular university bad demended> amoniotber things , would mwnoiMxter to the Mmp and tacieawof seats ft 4he Manila* tbe Acts «f Parliament M*iarthiik#fjp thankPpP^wpm Mkutaav** nittuln H ** t * •ify has teen irtcrea*fog steadily '', T^WwW®Rp^';lairhtnrt " ’,''.' - •■■i4':'rt:i>i"' .#*F: ' during the last three • year. Corre* *tt«Btkmto

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{if) w *w t "ft «ftit# Ir fft (*) w i *(r>f fiwu ’A %*ihr firw E|vfiw w vw r ¥t fw w t vr «rpr- #H W V W lt * * Pwft I; ! trftwttpfrrt: ; f{(*) m T«Wf% *mr (*) «rfir^ w % . tm (SAXA V M t m M hm ww^ WT IW|*ff WWl <*) wbet**r it is a fad that Die demand for a Road Board on tf» line* of Railway (* • rns, ^Tftf**} : (*) *», »jff I Board with an independent Budget oT«* Own was revived in National Conference of («) STW «r# *wtt t Ministers on 9th July, 1972 ; and (b) if so, the reaction of Government Ligislation conferring ownership right* thereof. en farmers to possession ef house site* 2&64. SHR! G Y. KRISHNAN ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB SHRI M. C. DAGA : DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF Will the Minister of WORKS AND SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI HOUSING be pleased to slate ; OM MEHTA) ; (a) and (b) The Member* are presumably referring to the meeting of tbe Council of Indian Roads Congress held (a> whether Government have decided at Naimtal on the 9th July, 1972, where the to bring forward a legislation conferring need for the setting up of a Road Board at ownership rights oo the farmers already m the Cemre was emphasised by its President. possession of house sites ; and The proposal « under consideration. (b) tf so, the outcome ia this regard Universities having sot constituted courts and the names of the States which have and academic councils already decided to do so ? 2866. PROF, NARAIN CHAND THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE PARASHAR. Will the Minister of MINISTRY OF HEALEH AND FAMILY EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY be pleased to «tate : OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF* (a) whether there are some Universities D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) and (b), According to the Scheme for Provision of which have not constituted their Courts and Academic Councils so far ; House-sites to Landless Workers in Rural Areas, the State Governments and Adminis­ (b) if so, (heir number and names ; and trations of Union Territories are expected to take urgent action to enact suitable $. University Government of Andhra Pradesh have alto of Baroda has a Court and a Councfl of dadded to nhderake necessary legislation Posf»Gradu*te Studies, AH Agricultural for tip purpose. Universities, except Kerala Agricultural University (Tricbur) have Boards of 8stf$ag np of a Rmhd Beard Management and Academic Councils. Th* Rena* Agf&aOtefrM University has a Gene­ 2tt», BHDU G ,¥, KRISHNAN : ral Council ead„an Academic Council. t SHRI M. M M ttU a g v m i > ft) The different authorities p i the ' WUHfeMtoW* «r»OTMHO AND IKAttSfCKTkeplMMdiomtac rtlrff tTslhnAi^ nifhi 107 W*1mm Jbmm$ 'AUWSTt f t ^ M l Ktt titamts Commission bat fomwrded t» all Deetsiea tatwA at inaetaig ef OwritsI tbe Universities copies of the Gajeodra- Advisory Board of Edacatle* gadkar Committee** import on governance ta v ttb m m m . 2869. FROF* NARAIN CHAND FARASHAR : Will the Mfe»ie*r of EDU­ CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be Sfctttfeg lortitat* of A*»ece pleased to stste : SMlMftui Simla (a) the number of meeting held by the 2067* PROF. NARA1N CHAND Central Advisory Board of Education during FARASHAR : Will the Minister of EDU­ the Iasi two years; CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be plfeAsed lo state ; (b) the decisions Arrived At these meet­ ings; end (a ) whether a decision has been taken io shift the Indian Institute for Advance (c) the decisions And recommendations Study from Simla; which have since been implemented 7 (b) if so, the reasons for this decision; THE MINISTER 9 F EDUCATION, SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE (c) the date of this decision; tnd (FROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) None, However, tbe next meeting ha§ been fixed (d) the likely date by which it is pro­ for 18-19 September, 1972. posed io shift the Institute ? (b) And (c) Do not Arise. THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE fcilifHf w (FROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) No suih proposal is under consideration, 2870. *r« r smnr: (b) to (d). Do not arise. *ft%. tmp»n:

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J868. FROF. NARAIN CHAND ( * ) m & r t / k jrajnmr % FARASHAR .* Will the Minister of EDU­ CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be v m v % fa * w r# r pleased to state : vnSrviftvwPc t t «ftt (A) the number of voluntary organise* (w) «rffc ?t, ?rt to «t'y z t «ftrr Hons which received financial assistance from Government for Adult literacy work in w | t 1971-72; w r S t (b) their names and permanent add* resse*; and V t-m m 1 ihn%m’OHnfti <* * t H» SHAfANAJ#. t»*{SAXA> UMiMitmm 110 «f!W| WfW tltWff wmfl imwlf

( u ) WT %>Sfor WWIK % f««fr *WT THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI % ftepft, tftt acreage under soyabean cultivation during 1971-72. m (?) »T5 fWhr **mt t o (c) Yes, one plant of 100/250 tonnes , wnnH per day capacity is being established by the Food Corporation of India with the (m i *flr w w w i

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ta r g e tb i': bajancenrnountwilt be t^leased aiecoffdmg the 4th year of the Ptad 7 , f ,w, VP? ' ‘;■>'-y-'r■ ■<■:■ ; ■■'/:■< i^>! y\\ MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI improvement * ANNASAHHB P. SHINDE; (ft) Y ^ Ai have been received from /■ * result of multiple cropping efforts it will ; ment be possible to increase production during Rs. -5*.l^hrW'fcfKfiwr consideration. ,v the Fourth Plan in 9 million hectares of ■ ■ under ';&ed:;;^* s; ■ ■■:ri4 ;;« i0 ;/tind^;: r:-;V m $ . SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH: DR. LAXM INARAVAN PAN0EVA: ■tbi»s|i«i ’--tfT foodgraim under Will the Minister of WORKS AND ■ beHOUSING achieved; be through pleased to state ; :!: the High YieiamgVanetiej, Minor Irriga- 1 Land Development and Plant Piotec- (a) whether the Secretaries' Committee tibn Programme* etc. has decided that a number of offices of the Government of India should be shifted Covirocmieatal Improvement tn Slum out of Delhi to relieve the increasing con­ 'Ai^'.^'M«draS';''ClQp . gestion; : (b) if so, the number of offices proposed SHRI S. A. MURUGANA- to be shifted along with the number of NTH AM : ’ officers and staff; Will the Minister of WORKS AND (c> whether the process of lifting has HOUSING be pleased to »tate : been started, if so, the number of offices shifted so far and whether certain Ministries

0») if so, whether Union Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has sanctioned only Rs. 21 lakh*; and MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY ptANNINd AND IN THE MINISTRY OF ■V;:- 2 ject* -woripi, JU;- 84 lakhs approximately have iiftm&y baett.^proved and out of that 287$,SH*1 ISHAQ SAMBHALI: . y aftimint ■. «••'- fUffi •' •rRsi 'i 1. lakhs - has boon • Will Minister & A0RIC^TI^| ^ rt&ased i* first insialment of gnat; the pteansd fcp v w b ", US Wtitten Atmmt SRAVANA JO, 1194 (SAKA) Wrftien A«*wert 114

(a) whether D*lhl Milk Scheme has the reversions of such deputationists and ; lately discontinued the supply in bottles of creating a cadre of Officers from D. M. S. milk; for mirriage and other cerenoatal itself; occasions through the Depots; (c) if so, the broad outlines thereof (b) whether ths Delhi Mtlk Scheme and Government's reaction thereto ; and authorities msiit on the supply of milk in cans of 40 litres capacity or in mjltipies of (d) whether any fresh deputationists ' 40 litres only; are being brought to replace the Delhi Nfitk Scheme Officers officiating against Class I! and Class I Posts and if so, the reasons (c) whether any complaints regarding therefor 7 adulteration of milk supplied to such cans to the various buyers have been 4 received and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE if so, the nature thereof and the action taken MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. ' m the matter, and SHER SINGH). (a) The requisite informa­ tion is given in the statement laid on the (d) whether the supply of milk m such Table of the House [Placed in Library. S et' cans in bulk quantity has caused consider­ No LT—3455/72]. able inconvenience to the public and if so, the action Go/crnmen t propose to take to (b) Yes restore the earlier practice of supply to milk according to the individual requirements 7 (c) The Delhi Milk Scheme Employees Union have been suggesting that deputa­ tionists may be reverted to their parent THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cadres/offices and, as far as possible, efforts MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE should be made to fill up posts in the (PROF SHER SINGH) (a) Yes. D M S. from among the staff regularly working in the organisation It is the

(a) die Conference of Ministers cottage industries «tc* Efforts in charge of Wblfat* of backward Classes should be made to collect date and Social Welfare held recently in New constantly about the actual benefits Delhi has recommended a new strategy for derived by the Scheduled Tribes Tribal development ; from these pragrammes.

(b) if so, the mam points of the new 7, Schemes of rehabilitation of tribal strategy suggested by the Conference ; and people displaced as a result of major projects should be integral (c) the steps taken to reorient tribal parts of projects themselves and welfare work according to the new strategy 7 should include programmes for education* training and equipment THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE of the displaced people. MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K S. RAMA- (c) The suggestions of the Conference SWAMY) : (a) Yes, Sir. A new strategy are being examined. * tor tribal development was suggested in tbe conference. Employees on deputation te F C I- (b) The mam points of the new strategy Fretn West Bengal aw as under ■— 2879. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA * 1. Protective legislation should be Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be enacted and enforced strictly for pleased to state. the Scheduled Tribes living inside or outside the Scheduled Areas. (a) whether 5,000 employees are on deputation to Food Corporation of India 2. Special schemes should be devised from the West Bengal Government, and and existing schemes modified to cater to the needs of the most backward and neglected tribal (b) if so, the reason why they should commities. not be absorbed by the rood Corporation of India as its regular employees 7 3. The programme of Tribal Deve- to cover all areas having at least THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lopment Block should be expanded MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 80% tribal population and funds ANNASAHEB P. SHIND3) : (a) Yes, should also be provided to cover Sir About 5,000 employees from the pockets of tribal concentration West Bengal Government are on deputation remaining outside the Tribal with the Food Corporation of India Development Blocks. 4. The allotment for Tribal Develop­

Fare Meters In T im Wheeler Scooter* (b) the recommendations of Randhawa In Delhi Committee that went into the working of the three Central Museums and the Museums mo. SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN : under the Archaeological Survey of India, Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND which are being implemented; TRANSPORT be pleased to state : (c) the recommendation* which have (a) Whether the three-wheeler scooters financial and administrative implications; plying In Delhi do not have proper meters and to indicate the exact fare in accordance with the latest rates; (d) how long Government propose to take for implementing them 1

(b) whether it is not obligatory under THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE the law to fix proper meters indicating the MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND latest fare as is the case with tavies; and SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- SWAMY): (a) A statement giving the prin­ (c) the steps Government propose to cipal recommendations made by the Commit­ take to enforce the law ? tee under the Chairmanship of Dr. Moti Chandra to examine the work of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Museums in the conntry was placed on the DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY table of the Lok Sabha in reply to part (b) AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF of Starred Question No. 17 by Shri Nugge- SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI halli Shtvappa on 15.11.1971. OM MEHTA) : (a) Out of 14.275 rickshaws (including motor cycle rickshaws) in Delhi (b) A statement giving the recommenda­ as on the 31st July, 1972, 7969 were not tions of Randhawa Committee which have fitted with approved fare meters. been implemented or are being implemented is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed (b) Yes, Sir. in Library. See. No. LT-3456/72 J

(c) The drivers of three wheeler scooter (c) A statement giving the recommenda­ richshaws, which are not fitted with app­ tions of Dr. Moti Chandra Committee and roved fare meters, are required to display Dr. Randhawa Committee, which have a conversion chart m the vehicles for the financial and administrative implication* is guidance of the passengers. In view of the laid on the Table of the House. ( Placed* present non-availability of approved types of Library. See. No. LT-3456/72 ) fare meters in adequate numbers, the ques­ tion of drawing up a phased programme (d) The implementation of the re- for the replacement of the existing meters, commendations mentioned m part (c) of fitted to scooter-rickshaws, which are not the question will depend on the availability capable of being recalibrated, is under the of noces&ary financial and administrative consideration of the Delhi Administration. resources in the Centre as well as in the States. There are various agencies and authorities responsible for implementing Recommendation made by Committee on Working of Museum* these recommendations.

2881. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : Grants to Public Libraries Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state ! *882, SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND (a) The principal recommendations SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : made by the Committee net up fender the Chairmanship of Dr. Moti Chandr* to (a) The break-up of Rs. 3 lakhs gh*n examine ft* fftjt of the Museums in the H grants to ihe various Public Libraries in country; the country during mi«T2 j llV AUOOST21,1972 WrtlteiAtuwin

(bytJwoumbef of 'cuM recommended (a) ‘' ' ilfte; :iww>- ■:'■' by theState Governntsats did Union Terri- posal of formally declaring the T.M.S.S totiesduring this year for giving ftnati&al Mahal library, Thanjavur, ai an; institution •id; of national importance; and (c) whether there are still any cases (b) the manner in which Government pendirg with the Ministry, and propose to assist the library financially 7

(d) if so, when these pending cases wit! THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TilB be disposed of and the amount of grants MINISTRY OF EDUCATION, AND likely to be given to them ? SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- SWAMY): The Government of Tamil THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Nadu has not agreed to the proposal of the MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND Central Government that the constitution of ' SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- the Board of Management of the T.M.S.S. SWAMY) : (a) Grants totalling Mahal library, Thanjavur, when declared Ra. 4,12,980/- were paid to the various Pub* and financially assisted as an institution of lie libraries in the country during 1971-72 national importance, should be on the same, under the scheme of financial assistance to lines as that of the Khuda Bakhsh Oriential Voluntary Educational Organisations work­ Public library Board, Patna. ing in the field of Public Libraries. A statement giving the break-up of this amount (b) The matter is under consideration. n laid on the Table of the House. [ Placed in library Sec. No. LT-3457/72 J U se of O pium in D elhi U niversity

(b) 43 applications were re reived through 2884. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- the State Governments/Union Territories PURKAR : during 1971-72 for giving financial aid SHRI PURUSHOTTAM under the said scheme. KARODKAR:

(c) and (d) Yes, Sir. These applications Will the Minister of EDUCATION were received after the expiry of the last AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to date and did not contain all the informa- state : tion required under the Scheme. Accor­ dingly, these pendtng applications will now (a) whether Government have received be considered during 1972-73 a long with the complaints regarding the use of opium in other fresh applications received or to be the University and Colleges of Delhi; received for assistance under the scheme through the State Governments/Union Territories for the current financial year. (b) whether some foreigners have been The grants to be given in each of the pend­ found taking interest in supplying narcotics ing cases as well as to the new applicants free of cost in schools and colleges in order wfl! be decided by the Deptt. of Culture on to spoil the character and mind of our the recommendations of an advisory youth; and Committee set up in the Deptt. for this pur* pose keeping in view the total amount of (c) if so, the facts thereof and the JU. 3 lakhs available under the scheme for reaction of Government thereon ? the current financial year. THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE Declaration of T M S S. Mahal Library. Thanfavar as Institution of National (PROF. S, NURUt HASAN) r (a) Accord- Importance ito the information furnished by the Univer* $ityof Delhi.no .^se^volying ^sradefit**, : G0WDBR ; ■ the «si(p WU1 the Minister mf EDUCATION AND ■ and its come;ty.;toe:, r f SOCIAL WELFARE be pleated to the University, ■ iZ\ Writ tin Answers SRAVANA 30,1894 (Sa Ka ) Written Answers 122

Cb) No such report has been received Mobile Soil Testing Laboratories are func­ by the' University authorities. tioning in the State. Normally, the vans are not earmarked for any sinjjal distrid, (c; Does not arise. but are sent to different districts from time to time, according to need. Passenger Shipping Service between India and Mturitias and ether (b) and (c). No such request has been Comtrie* received for more vans. Supply of one more van is under consideration of Govern* 2885. SHRI DHARAMARAO meat. AFZALPURKAR : Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : Openning of TriWe Blocks sanctioned ia States (a) whether there is any proposal 2887. SHRI RANABAHADUR under the consideration of Governtnent to SINGH : Will the Minister of EDUCA­ start a passenger shipping service between TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be India and Mauritius and other countries in pleased to state : order to facilitate Indians and other natio­ nals Iivmj in those countries; and (a) the number of Tribal Development Blocks sanctioned for different States have (b) if so, the broad outlines thereof 7 not been opened due to shortage of funds; and THE MINISTER OF PARLIA­ MENTARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING (b) the steps so far taken to provide AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ extra finances for the opening of Tribal BAHADUR) : (a) Indian Shipping Lines Blocks m Suites ? at present operate passenger shipping service to West Asia Gulf Ports, East Africa and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Malaysia/Singapore and Talaimannar MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND (Ceylon). At present there are no pro­ SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMA- posals, under consideration of Government SWAMY) : (a) and (b). There is no such for running services to any other country. case where a Tribal Development Block fulfilling the approved criteria has not been (b) Does not arise. opened due to shortage of funds. The criteria prescribed for the opening of the Mobile Soil Testing Laboratories in Tribal Development Blocks are: — Madhya Pradesh (i) An area nf 150-200 sq. miles. 2886. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : Will the Minister of AGRICUL­ (ii) A total population of 25000. TURE be pleased to state : (tii) A tribal concentration of *6$% fa) the number of Mobile Soil Testing Laboratories functioning at present in the (iv) Viability to function as a State of Madhya Pradesh, District-wise; normal administrative unit.

&) if so, the reaction of Union Govern­ Reservation for Minorities in Educational ment thereon? Institution* THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 2*8*. SHRI RAM PRAKASjH : Will MINISTRY OP AGRICULTURE (SHRI the MtoteMr of EDUCATION AMD ANNASAHBB P. SHINDE); («) T m SOCIAL WELFARE be piemd 46 «M »; 123 Written Answers AUGUST 21,1912 Written Antwert 124 J (a) whether there are tome reservations THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, for the minorities io putrid and private edu­ SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE cational institutions in some States for (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) and (b), admissions and also for appointment of A Seminar on the Aligarh Muslim Univer­ teachers; and sity (Amendment) Act, 1972 was organised by the Press Information Bureau at Delhi on (b) if so# the names of States where July 14 and 15, 1972. The consensus evolved such practice prevails and reasons therefor ? ai the Seminar is given in the statement laid on the Table of the House [Placed in THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Libarary. See No. LT-3458/72] MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI 1C S. RAMA- SWAMY): (a) and (b). The information is being collected and wilt be laid on the v. v ( % 14 w* $ Table of the House, when received. wftwm fiwn Use of LSD by University Students 2891. n»n : mrfowr 2889. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY h wit* ipft ir? *8i% r n PLANNING be pleased to state : ^*T Pp : (a) whether Government are aware of the use of LSD by university students on (v ) v f % 14 v* a v % large scale in the country ; and wwff % fwj fa $5*. wftrartf ffewt (b) if so, the steps proposed to be n?t iftarar fwrfwrs omrt* taken to prevent such misuse ? rwnc am ftnjsft THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE arfirftwr w i f e # arrant; wVr MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. (w) tot OTftw jftvn wwff D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No report has been received regarding the large vr ^ to «rwrr vfr a m scale use of LSD by university students. % iron* nrh srftrem-^*r jwpc (b) It is proposed to ban the import f a w*;rt v i *tfenf cT

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2892 «ft T, ’pf * w : wt »fi» 2893. *ft y iw t o t : w t fftr »Mt v% srar% vt sttt vt>t f% . apft >f| Vt JF«rr ^ f t r: (*r) s.fr ipphw % srepfar W an (v) 1 wsNr, 1971 % 31 «mf, t | trwf ycr n ^ , w tonpw sr# $ ark aft wqfft 75^ % (^) ftw-ftw f*p^«r % vm {ire-ftw wsrrt f f wpr *rh «rm arrft irt vt t t 5Tr«rer Ir f%% >nt; *tcwtct sTffY t t *nmr, w r 3% tjx vm- w % wsenfer ^ v tw «bt% % fwq *ts*r (*r) ’n rf(t am mwft «^n< fiprr wt w%nr ? it «mrftt

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(c) whether a technical committee has the food commoditiodt (cornflour,, bulgar suggested certain changes in the plants to wheat, rolled wheat, milk powder, com, improve production and if so, the steps soyaboan, C.S.M,, Salad Oil a4d Milk taken to implement the suggestions of the Broad) free of charge at the Indian ports Committee ? to the State/Union Torritory Governments. The States/Union Torritory Governments THIS MINISTER OF STATE IN THE bear the clearance and other administrative MINISTRY OF HELTH AND FAMILY charges for the distribution of the food to PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRR the children and also the CARE cost in OF WORKR AND HOUSING (PROF. D.P. New York on the packing and labelling of CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No, The the consignments before shipment and in National Buildings Construction Corporation India on the pay and allowances of the has set up only one mechanised brick Indian personnel and the maintenance of plant. It is at Sultanpur m Delhi. It is the CARE office? at the State capitals working one line single shift and producing under an American Administrator. Accor­ only 14.7 per cent of what it is rated to ding to the CARE estimates, the States/ produce working double line double shift. Union Territory Governments propose to cover a total number of 110. J9 lakh children (b) The mam causes for inefficient during the year 1972-73 as per details given working of the dryers are (a) inadequate in the attached statement. provision of fans and burners (b) lack of instrumentation-temperature and humidity Statement control (c) defective design of the combus­ tion chamber (d) lack of standardisation of ANNEXURE the drying process. St. No. States Beneficiaries during (C) Yes. The various recommenda­ 1972-73 tions made by the Committee in this regard are under consideration. 1. Andhra Pradesh 10,42,174 2. Gujarat 3,65,000 Scheme for Food distribution by CARE for 3. Haryana 3,27,000 SchoolChildren in States 4. Kerala 17,86,000 5. Maharashtra 2*00,000 2895* SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will 6. Madhya Piadesh 6,40,000 the Minister of EDUCATION AND 7. Mysore 12,75,000 SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to stale : 8. Orissa 7 46,000 9. Panjab 3 85,000 (a) whether CARE is distributing food 10. Rajasthan 4,00,000 to school children in different States in the 11. Uttar Pradesh 10,83,000 country; and 12. Tamil Nadu 15,00,000 13. West Bengal 11,30,000 (b) if so, the details of the distribution scheme ? Union Territory 14, Pondicherry 39,500 THE DUPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND Total : 110,18,674 SOCIAL WELFARE

(b) whether cheap and : sab-standard ever is less insteid of 60 months, pay or medicines are supplied by local manufac­ Rs, 50,039 its at present In view 'd? the turers to the dispeasar ie j ; steep rise in prices of construction materials; and (c) whether in the past, sub-standard quality of medicines was detected by the (b) if so, when the decision in this regard will be taken ? authorities and even then orders were placed with the same manufacturers ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (d) if so. the steps being taken to im­ PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY prove upon the quality of the medicines OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. supplied to the dispensaries by the D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) and (b). manufacturers ? The matter is under consideration.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Faclliiy of Drinking Water and House Sites MINISTRY OF HEALTH AHD FAMILY to Agricultural Workers PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 2898. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The Will the Minister of WORKS AND requisite information is given in the, State­ HOUSING be pleased to state : ment laid on the Table of the House. [Placed tn library. See No. LT—3459/721. (a) whether Government have taken a decision to celebrate the twentyfifih year of (b) No, Sir. The medicines are pur­ our independence by providing drinking chased at competitive rates, keeping in view water facility to all the villages and house the quality of medicines from the firms sites to all agricultural workers ; and which are approved by Directorate General of Supplies and Disposals High Power Com* (b) if so, the broad details of the mittee who have an elaborate quality control schemes being adopted together with the system. The medicines received at the State-wise targets to be fulfilled in this CGHS Medical Store Depot are also fre­ regard ? quently sent for chemical analysts to the Central Drugs Laboratories at Calcutta and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Ghaziabad. MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY (c) No, Sir. OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (d) Does not arise. It may, however, (b). No. Sir. There is a proposal to select be stated that in cases of doubt, if any, the one Jay anti Village in each block for all- Drugs Controller (India) as well as Drugs round development including improvements Controller of the concerned State is in water supply and housing, during the informed immediately for appropriate Silver jubilee ye&r of Independence. The action. scheme that has been introduced by the Ministry of Works and Housing for assis­ Raising the limit for Grant of House tance to States for giving free house-sites to Building Loans rural landless workm is not, however, con­ fined to Jayanti Villages. Proposals from 2897. SARI N. it. SANGHI : WiU the State Governments complying With the MmiU*r of WORKS AND HOUSIKG be requirements of the scheme may be sent by pleased to refer to the provisions of itpm the State Governments for different area* in (b) of para 3.7 of the Ministry’s Annual each State as attd when they art ready. Report, 1971-72 and state : : implementation of Revlsed Pay Scales of .: (a) whether Government. have £on$i- ■ ■ : ‘ DetelSdi*©! Teacher*;

for grant of loans to Goveramsat cnployees 2899. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY - - 4^ ; AND 131 Written Answers AUGUST 21, i m W ritm Answers 13$

SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to refer to (e) whether recently an officer of the the reply given to Unstarred Question No. Water Supply Department visited the area 776$ on 29th May, 1972 regarding the imp* and enquired the position of water and fomentation of revised pay-scales of Delhi whether the ground floor quarters are now School Teachers and state : getting water for the whole day ;

(a) whether the revised pay-scales of (d) whether the resident* of these Delhi School Teachers (Primary, Middle quarters are entitled for direct connection and Higher Secondary) as approved and and if so, the procedure thereof ; and sanctioned by the Government of India with effect from the 27th May, 1970 and (e) the steps taken by Government to announced on the 5th September, 1971 have remove this difficulty of the basic need since been implemented and payment have faced by the residents of New Moti Nagar, been made with arrears ; New Delhi (First Floor) in *B' block for the last several years ? (b) if so, whether the selection Grade which is a part of the revised pay-scales for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE senior teachers has also been implemented ; MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY and PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D.P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? During summer, water on the first floor is available only in the early hours of the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE morning. MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K S. RAMA- (c) Yes. SWAMY) : (a) The revised pay scales, except in the selection grade, have been (d) Yes. Separate connections can be implemented. The arrears have been paid given by the Slum Department of the Muni­ in some cases and the remaining cases will cipal Corporation of Delhi by changing he covered as early as possible. internal fittings. (e) A Booster Pumping Station has been (b) and (c). The Government is consi­ installed for boosting the pressure in the dering the detailed rules for implementing area. Although the pressure at the Pump­ the selection grades in so far as Delhi ing Station has increased, corresponding Administration teachers are concerned. The increase in pressure in 'B* block has not Cantonment Board has, however, imple­ taken place. The matter is being looked mented the selection grades. into by the Delhi Water Supply and Sewage Disposal Undertaking. Water Snpply in New Moti Nagar New Delhi Scheme for E»p’0y»«»t of Famil.es of Farmer* and Umttem Peasants in 2900. SHRI P. NARASfMHA Gnjaraf REDDY : Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to 2901. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : state : SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL :

(a) whether in spite of the installation Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE of the booster pumps in New Moti Nagar be pleased to state : a*ea, New Delhi water does not reach dWiife summer season (1972) in the first (a) whether the Gujatat Government flodr of ‘B’ block from morning to evening ; h it prepared a scheme by which 6.000 of fartMrt and h-dte* * * » „ „

(c) whether tbe Unto** Government bat If famishing the information are laid on the ailcod other State Government to prepare Table of the House, [Placed in Library, such scheme for the benefit of Airmen j and See No. LT—3460/72]

(d) if so, the number of States who Utilization of services of Experts have agreed to implement such schemes ? FromG. D. R.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 2904. SHRT V. MAYA VAN : Will the MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No such WELFARE be pleased to state : how scheme has been received from the Gujarat the services of the expert, in the State Government. field of work experience* obtained from the German Democratic Republic in the middle

(b) Proposals from Delhi Administra- Project Report on deep sea fishing In tion are awaited, Kerala with Foreign Collaboration

Implementation of Recommendations 2905. SHRlMATl BHARGAVI THA* made by Committee on Reorganisa­ NKAPPAN : Will the Minister of AGRI­ tion of statistical Unit CULTURE be pleased to rater to the reply given to Unstarred Question No. 757 on 2903. SHRI V. MAYA VAN ; Will the the 20th March, 1972 regarding the Project Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL report for deep sea fishing with foreign WELFARE be pleased to state : collaboration from Kerala and state ; (a) the recommendations made by the Committee on the Reorganisation of the (a) whether any project report for Statistical Unit, barring the recommenda­ deep-sea fishing with foreign collaboration tion of creating additional posts which has has been submitted by Kerala Government; boon implemented by the Ministry; and nod (b) the action taken by the Ministry on these other tveommeodations t

foreign collaboration wan rscaiv-sd from the acquisition for bye-passes and widening - Government of Kerala in Acrnl, 1971, but; of roads on National Highways in Kerala, the report dki not indicate ths namj of the fifty have been sanctioned, two are under foreign collaborator. technical scrutiny mod three are under financial scrutiny. References to the State A possibility which was taken up for Government have been made with a view consideration ia this connection was of to obtain further information clarification in’ bringing the project within the purview of respect of five estimates arising out of Soviet aid. The policy relating to import technical sera tiny and three estimates arising of fishing vessels was then under considera­ out of financial scrutiny tion. It was decided in March, 1972, that indigenous capacity should be fully utilized Oat of the five pending with the Gov­ And that the balance of vessels should be ernment of India, one has been pending imported from the U.S.S.R. to the extent since December 1971, and four from May- Of availability. An Agreement for co­ June 1972. The principal reasons for the operation in the field of Marine and Inland delay in sanctioning this small number of fisheries is being negotiated with the U.S.S. estimates are that either alignment and R. The feasibility of taking up the proposed othar technical aspects arc uqder considera­ project under the terms of the Agreement tion in the light of the need to effect econo­ will be examined after the Agreement has my in those costly proposals and or to been concluded. exclude, wherever possible, places of wor­ ship or religious institutions which may present difficulty in acquisition. Land acquisition of estimates of oye- passea and widening of Road on National highways in Kerala It may be possible to complete the technical scrutiny in a period of three 2906. SHRIMATI BHAROAVI months after all the relevant information THANKAPPAN : concerning the estimates is available and SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : financial scrutiny, normally three months thereafter. Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : fd) Under the National Highways Act and rules framed thereunder, the full cost of development of National Highways and (a) whether all the land acquisition also the cost of construction of byepasses estimates for the bye-parses and widening of roads on National Highways in Kerala lying outside the municipal areas are borne State have been sanctioned by the Govern­ by the Central Govettttaeat. However, where such bye-passes pass through muni­ ment of India; cipal areas, according ,to the Central Gov­ ernment^ policy, the State Governments (b) what are the pending est:mates are required to pay for acquiring the land with the Government of India and how width needed for parallel service roads to long they have beep pending and when they be constructed on either side 6f the National .would be sanctioned by the .Ministry; Highway bye-passes for catering to local traffic and also in due course construct the (c) what steps have been taken for same at their cost. The Government of sanctioning these estimates; and Kent* Jnv*. howwer, propom tint ia tbs case of snch byepasses passing through (d) whether the question of sharing the municipal areas also, the Central Govern- cost for bye-passes as reqiiested by the ment may, in addition, bear the cost of Government of Kerala would be settled land required for parallel service roads. eobit; The Slate Government have been informed that the prescribed policy being applicable 1THEMINISER OF STATE IN THE to the cotmfty'« * ''W iW tii»itobe appfted DEPARTMENT O f PARLIAMENTARY to the casef of bye-passes im Kerala State ^ i U R S AND MINISTRY 0F SHIPPING ai well, ^ AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM MEHTA) : quoted lo =- I3t? WrftM Answers SRAVANA 3d, 1*94 (SAKA) Written Answers 133

CSMtnl Government to examini the Britain to India in 1947 are missing from State Government's revised proposal fiif- National Archives; and thdr. (b) if so, how it happened and what steps Government have proposed to recover Setting up of Branches of Hladnstao Housing Factory is Major Cities those documents ? end! Towns THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 2907. SHRI HAR1 SINGH . MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SHRI 0 . P. JADEJA : SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- SWAMY); (a) No Sir. Will tbe Munster of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to state i (b) Question does not arise.

(a) whether Government have any plan Aimed Parbat Children's Hone, New to set up the new branches of the Hindus­ Delhi tan Houcmg factory in major cities and towns of India : 2909. SHRI HAR1 SINGH : Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL (b) if so, when those new branches of WELFARE be pleased to state : the Hindustan Housing Factory will be started, and (a) whether four boys between tbe ages of six and twelve years were thrown out of (c) the cities and towns Governm ent the Anand Parbat Children's Home, New have choser for new branches ? Delhi on the 21st June, 1972, and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the measures Government MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY propose to take to stop such dealing with PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY the children ? OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D P CHAT TOPADHYARA), (a) to (c) . THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE An expert Committee on me'hods of achiev­ MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND ing economy in large scale construction of SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- low cost housing in the major cities, set up SWAMY) : (a) No, Sir. by the Government of India in 1969 recommended the setting up of factories for (b) Does not arise. producing standardised building components and prefabricated panels, wherever they were justified by the volume of local build­ Scheme for replacement of Slums by ing activity. All such factories need not be Small Utility Housing to Improve set up by the Central Government or as Rural Housing Units branches of the Hindustan Housing Fac­ tory. A proposal to set up a prefabricated 2910. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD housing Uctory at Bombay with the parti­ MANDAL ; Will the Minister of WORKS cipation of the Government of Maharashtra AND HOUSING be pleased to state : is under the consideration of the Hindustan Housing Factory, Delhi. (a) whether there is any proposal under consideration of Government to replace slums by small utility housing and for imp* Documents Mining from National Arehlvet roving rural housing and meeting the hous­ ing shortages of more than 8 lakh units; 2906. SHRI HART SINGH : Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL (b) if so, the broad outlines thereof, WELFARE bti pfetsed to state : and

(ft) whether most important documents (c) th* progress if any, in the implemen­ pertaining to the transfer of power from tation of the *ofte$e ? AUGUST 2 1 ,1»7J Wrtum A/umrt 140

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE included in the State Sector and Central MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY assistance for its implementation forms part PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY of the block Central assistance given to OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. various States, leaving it to their discretion D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA): («> to (c) . to determine the amount of funds to he pro­ At present, there is no proposal under the vided for its implementation. According to consideration of the Govern own t for replac­ information received from State Govern­ ing tlums to all cities and towns in the ments so far, out of about 80,100 houses country by small utility houses. A scheme sanctioned for construction, 50,500 houses called the Slum Clearance/Improvement have been completed under this Scheme. Scheme was introduced in 1956 as a cen­ trally sponsored scheme. This scheme, inter alia , envisages provision of small two- In view of the urgent need to solve the roomed houses as an alternative accommo* housing problem of landless workers in dation to *he stum dwellers. The scheme rural areas, the Government of India have was transferred to the State Sector from the recently introduced a new scheme in the beginning of the Fourth Five-Year Plan Central Sector for provision of free house* and Central assistance for its implementa­ sites to landless workers m rural areas. A tion is now included in the block Central sum of Rs. 5 crores has been provided in assistance being given to the State Govern­ the current financial year for grant of ments from year to year by the Ministry of 100% subsidy to the State Governments for Finance, The Slate Governments are free its implementation and out of this about to determine the programmes to be executed Rs 4 crores have been sanctioned to five and the funds to be allocated for its imple­ States on the basis of projects received mentation according to their own require- from them. ments and priorities. According to reports received from State Governments and Unton Territories, upto May, 1972 approximately Ban on quacks in the country 84.000 tenements had been constructed against 1,38,400 tenements sanctioned under 2911. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD this Scheme. MANDAL : Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to In addition, the Government have re* state; cently introduced a new scheme in the Cen* tral Sector for Envuonmental Improvement (a) whether Government have any pro­ of Slums rn eleven Metropolitan Cities posal under consideration to put ban on having a population of 8 lakhs or more. quacks in the country ; and A provision of Rs. IS crores has been made in the current financial year for its (b) if so, the main features thereof 7 implementation Financial assistance amounting to Rs. 6 crores approximately has so far been sanctioned for 185 projects. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 2. In order to assist the villagers in OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. the construction/improvement of their D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) and (b). houses, a scheme named the Village House* Under sub-section (2) of section 15 of the ing Projects Scheme was introduced in Indian Medical Council Act, 1956, registra­ 1957. Apart from providing long-term tion of a medical practitioner cm a State loan assistance to the villagers for the cons­ Medical Register it compulsory before he truction/improvement of their houses, the can practise medicine. Sub-section (3) scheme contains provisions for grant of further provides that a person who acts in technical assistance to the prospective house contravention of this provision is liable to builders as ttfco for provision of free house- he punished with imprisonment up to one sitet to landless agricultural workers. It year or with fiat ufr to one thousand rupeee also provides for laying of streets and drains or with both. This penal provision It suffi- in the villages in which the scheme is imple­ cient to put » check on the activities of Hie mented. This scheme i® afro, a? present, m Written Answttt SRAVANA ^ l«M (SAKA) Wrltun Ansners 142

of wiki life Mm n I at TUB MINISTER QF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI -ssassssrtsrar ANNASAHBB P. SHINDEt: (a) No, Sir, 2912. SHRI N1HAR LASKAR : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased (b) Does not arise. to state:

(a) whether it has come to his know* Jfhr * wwr g*nj ledge that the Prime Minister stressed the need for preservation of wild fife during the Southern Zonal Council meeting held at 2914. ** m w* «nf: wr Hyderabad on 26th July, 1972 ; «n tf rrr ^ ft:

(b) tf so, the reaction of Government thereto, and («) WT TO % % If# w to ito I »rwrftr?i w* (c) the fresh nuasures adopted m this % wnrr ftrtf f; tUx direction 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (*) «ift fr, wwMC'fl a«nmit MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. t ?

(b) A draft BUI for conservation of ftwn, w*mr Wild life in the country and to regulate (A . «pr. g w *< m ): ( * ) «fh: ( * ) . trade, movement and taxidermy in wild life products has already been miroduced in the »I*>r tf arr Tfl | afc «nr««w Lok Sabha This Bill will initially be appli­ w>rf qrwr« xm * ampft i cable to such of the State which have adopted resolutions under Article 252 (I) of the Cousiitution and will become applicable by adoption of sinHar resolutions by other TTiwfTw irwrftrftm srfw States in future.

(c) A Task Force has almost finalised 2915. t t p i « f : vnftiwr a Project for Conservation of tigers in the «ftr wuw wwr* inft «nj *en% tf nrr selected areas in the country. It is proposed to launch the P«oject from 1st April, 1973, initially to cover a period of 6 years. (*) wt tf i?rr | fa Experiments in Ladakh Regarding cold prt weather vegetables and cultivation tw Twwfw * t f f*arftrftra of treeless watte jrfir*ftr$mre (srerc srfcr) % tj* 2913 SHRI KUSHAK BAKULA ; %

WTWIJt W * * HtJWT W W W * * THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. fiswi^tw vr <»wt SHER SINGH): (a) The fall ill production of sugar during the 1971-72 season is attri­ 2916. «ft f i m «nrt : wmr fwwt butable mainly to the fall m the area under sugarcane during the year and to the «fct m m mum m wi% wt m damage caused to the crops by excessive *f»r f * : rams and Hoods in the North and drought conditions in some areas m the South. Due («) w i »rwr srtxr % SOTS’t % to the higher prices of gur and khandsari, it is possible there might have been some t o t srmsr m % p w # »* q* fewr*t« diversion of sugarcane 10 these industries fawr | ftrw ik 1450 favr t ; also. (b) Sugar and sugarcane policy for («r) m 11 % »ft sswm lr tfhft- 1972-73 with a view to maximising the pro­ duction of sugar is in an advanced stage of finf *f$w *8t *¥$!? far#

(n) Jjfs ft, at w r « t* r w C.B 1. prove into reported Pardeep Port Tug Scandal fwtix jrraw ftnmr tro w p w ^ «?rl «5T*r*f vr | ? 2918. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA * Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND ftwn, wnw aftt T^ffit TRANSPORT be pleased to state : (jft. «{S.

(n) w* y>r *ro% i t ftrar art

Incentive to sugarcane growers (a) whether Government have coi ducted a survey on the working conditior 2917. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA: of Indian doctor* abroad; and Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : (b) if so, the outcome of the survey ? (a) whether bad crop and large scale THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TH diversion of sugarcane to gur and khand* MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMIL sari units have affected sugar production PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTR this year ; and OF WORKS AND' HOUSING (PROI D, P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (ft) an (b) if so, the incentive proposed for (b). The requisite information IV bein sugarcane growers and steps to prevent collected and will be laid oik tit* Table < diversion ? the Safeha. * H5 ftWfttfi Answers SRAVANA 30, 1M4 ( 5 ^ ) Wrttftw 144

Cm i Ii Mi I i : Wheal prices w » - THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Tfffc SHRI PAM PAS OOWDA : Will OF WORKS AND HOUSiNG (PJtQF, the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleated D. P. CHAtTOPADHYAYA): (a) Th* to state : total estimated expenditure on Family Plan* mng Proaranjme in Mysore State during the (4) whether Government have received last three years (1969-72) is Rs. 678.40 complaints regarding the wheat prices lakhs No foreign aid specifically earmarked recommended by the Agricultural Prices for the Family Planning Programme for GoQwniMiEMi to reduce the procurement that State during that period has been pr«$ of wheat a#d unsatisfactory arrange­ received. ment in the States; and (b) The performance under Family Pla­ (b) if so, the reaction of States and nning Programme since its inception in Central Government thereon ? Mysore State up to the end of May, 1972 has been 4 84 lakh sterilisation operations, 2 61 lakh 1 U C.D. insertions and 33,000 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE users of Conventional Contraceptives. As a MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI result of the programme, 9 5% of couples ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). in the reproductive age group have been The Agricultural Prices Commission, m its currently protected in Mysore State. report on price policy for Rabi foodgrains for 1972-73 season, recommended a reduc­ The National objective of the pro­ tion in the procurement price of wheat. A gramme is to brmg down the birth rate to large number of representations were re* 32 per thousand of population by the end ceived from associations and individuals of the Fourth Five Year Plan According against this recommendation of the Commis­ to the Sample Registration Scheme of sion, Government, after careful considera­ Registrar General of India, the birth rate tion in consultation with the State Govern­ in Mysore had coma down to 33.3 in 1970 ments and taking into account all relevant (35 1 in rural areas and 27.8 m Urban factors, decided to continue the procure­ areas). ment price of wheat at the previous year's level. Pioceas in Construction of Mangalore Although some complaints, ma nly about Harbour delay u» opening of purchase centres etc,, were received from U P. and Rajasthan, 2922 SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA ; Will the arrangements for procurement of wheat the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS* in the States were satisfactory. PORT be pleased to state : (a) whether Mangalore Harbour is not likely to be ready according to schedule; fitpRftdUnte e* Family Planning in and Mysore State (b) if so, the difficulties being faced to 292*. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will get it ready according to schedule and when the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY it is likely to be ready and whether some PLANNING be pleased to state : additional nnney has also been sanctioned for the same ? (a) the amount of expenditure incurred 09 Family Pfenning by Central Government THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN in the State of Mysore and the amount of TARY AFFAIRS AMD SHIPPING AND foreign aid received in this regard during TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : thfg last tlii»* years, cpuotry-wise, and ca) and (b). No target date as such wat fix'd for the coaplefion of the Mangffe^ 0 ) the extent to wfcich the otyactnv® Harbour, However, tt was intended to comp* was achieved by the Government ? lete it as far as pojslbie by the end ojt |9 ft. 5 pew harbour is now to atari function- ■1>y the end of 1973 gad will be comp* leted the middle ibf 1974, The progress ttw t m *': 3of Work is satisfactory except for a short* foil in the dredging schcduiedue to delay in delivery of a dredger ordered on an indi- genousfirm. Proposals are under consi­ (»r) deration to complete the dredging operation as expeditiously as possible. ft is prema* %«

sr 11 SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : (»t) ffw a v r iTPFftjr tre w rn ststff (a) whether the Committee set up to review the working of the three National % wwwr »p«r

THE DEPUETY MINISTER IN THE Loss I n yield of crop In Bihar due to MINISTRY OF EDUCATION SOCIAL non-availabillty of fmptoved variety WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMASWAMY): of seeds (a) and (b). The Committee submitted its report on 31.7.72 and this is utfder consi­ 2925. SHRI M. S. PURTY : Will the deration of Government. A copy of the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to Report will be placed on the table of the state : Lok Sabha as soon as it is received from the press. (a) whether Government have received complaints about the substantial loss of crop yield in Bihar State on account of non­ tri& n

Import of mileh cattle ting in order to improve the breed of milch cattle in India ? 2926, SHRI M. S. PURTY : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state: MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE

SI. NO. Name of Jersay Friesian Gyrensey Red Dane Brown Swiss State ------Bulls Heifers Bulls Heifers Bulls Heifers Bulls Heifers Bulls Hetfers 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12

I. Andhra Pradesh 7 Z4 3 11 1 2. Assam 7 53 ... 6 16 ... 3. Bihar 11 28 ...... ••• • • IS 4. Kerala 15 48 • ee •ee ...... • •• • M ••• • •• 5. Tamil Nadu I ... 1 11 .. M. • •4

\ 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 t0 a 12

16. Rajasthan 4 2 ••• ««« ••« *u

17. Goa 2 • * * . . . ♦•* ...... • •• *« « »«• 18. Military Farms 5 **% e a e *•« ••• IM 19. I. V. R. I, Izatnagar 2 12 *•• ««« ••* • •* 2 15

• *# 20, Pondicherry 3 *•* ««* ••• ...

21* Meghalaya e e * ... 2 ♦ ** •• • •• . . . *•• 22. Gujarat (Anand) 4 96 ... * « • • ** • *• • •• • «• Total : 75 704 43 317 6 16 3 58 3 15

(d) The Government of India it negotiating with the Govt, of Australia, Newzeland, Denmark and Switzerland.

Milk Ponder and batter eit unfit fee Food product* received by CA.R.E. human consuiujrtitm as sift 2928. SHRI SHASHI BHU&HAN : 2927. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be Will the Mmater of HEALTH AND pleased to state : FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : (a) whether there is any arrangement (a) the total quantity of ‘Unfit for lo inspect and certify that different food Human Consumption* milt powder and products received by CARE as gift, or better oil received through LNICF, WFP otherwise, are fit for human consumption ; (World Food Programme) aad other inter­ national Organisations by the Indian Dairy Corporation and National Dairy Board (b) whether these consignments recened during last three years; by CARE are accompanied by international medical/health certificate ; (b) whether these goods were not got (c) whether any quantity of power milk, checked, inspected aad certified by the butter oil, biscuits or other food articles Agency of the Health Ministry before were found unfit for human consumption releasing them for use of the common during the last three years, if so, the parti­ people, particularly the weaket section of culars thereof, and the society ;

(d) how these foods which were found (c) the action taken or porpoted to be unfit for humvn consumption were disposed taken against the officer# responsible for tff 7 releasing

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the extent to which she demand of MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. tjie country will be met as a result of sugar tfft&t SINGH): m to (dj. The production from this sew sugarcane ? tion l« taking cbHctted and will He placed on the table of the House. The Indian Dairy THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Cotporatkm have however state# that no MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI milk powder »nd butler oil unfit Mr ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes. human consumption was released for the Three new varieties viz. s. 449-64 s 480/64 um of the common people. and Co 62399 have been fonud promising for cultivation* Delhi University Library {b) The yield potential for these n4w 2929. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : vatftetie* are given below SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU ; Will the Minister of EDUCATION S 449 46 700-qulntafe ptr AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to hectare state : S 480-64 750-800 quetzals* hectare (a) whether his attention has been drawn to the news item appearing in the Co. 62399 800>850 quenials •Hindus tun Tim**' dated the 25«h July, 1972 hectare wider the heading, "University Library— chaos behind orderly exterior; and These now varietie* belong respectively to the early, medium and late maturing (b) if so, the reaction of Government groups. In view of the difference m the (hereto and the steps taken in this regard T maturity period of the canes, cultivation of these varieties is likely to help in improv­ THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, ing the sugarcane recovery percentage m SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE the factories. (PROF. S NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). A statement giving the view of the Univer­ (c) These varieties are being tested in sity of Delhi on the various points raised in the varietal trials at sugar factory farms and the News item is laid on the Table of the fields of progressive cane growers and are House. [Pittced to Library. See No. LT- hkely to be release^ for general cultivation 3461 1772. after studying their performance in the cultivators fields. Hence it is too early to Development of New Variety of Sngar- predict! tfcte extent to Which the demand of cine at Regional Sngarcane Research the sugar industry would be met by these IsaUtete, JuJltmder new strains. 2930. StfRlMATI SAVITR 1 HYAMS: SHRI NAWAL KI5HORB SHARMA : Foongrains to Bangladesh

Will the Minister of AGRICULTtJRIS 2931. SHRIMATISAVITRI SHY AM : be pleased to state : SHRI HUKAM CHAND KACHWAI : (*V thti attention of the Govern­ ment has been drawn to a news item Appear- Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE tog in the Indian Express dated the 28th ho pleased to state : m h i m that Regional Suggarcane Research Institute, Jullundbr hsi developed a new (a) the quantity of total foodgrain variety of sugarcane; wpptted to Bangladesh by the Govemmen of India; tty optvwd ri»M or M l * (b> whither more foadgftefiis are tin to beiaqpplM to BunftMM; 155 Writtm A n s w e r , AUGUST 21, 1972 W ritm VS6

(6) while supplying foodgratos to Legal Status to Social WWfitre Beerds Bangladesh, whether Government would keep la view the present drought conditions 2933. SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHURY: in various parts of the country including SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: the same prevailing in Bangladesh; tad * • Will the Minister of EDUCATION A SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : (d) If to, the broad outlines thereof ? (a) whether Government have decided THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to give legal status to the Social Welfare MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Boards ia the country; and ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (a) and (b). A total quantity of 7,57,109 tonnes has been (b) if so, the main features thereof and despatched upto 1 0 /Ip 2. It has been agreed the steps taken by Government in this supply a further quantity of 50,000 tonnes regard ? of wheat to Bangla Desh. Against this, a THB DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE quantity of about 38,000 tonnes has been MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND . despatched upto 15/8/72 and the balance SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMA- will be supplied before the end of August, SWAMY); (a) and (b). The Central Govern­ 1972. ment has jurisdiction only over the Central (c) Yes, Sir. Social Welfare Board which is at present registered as a Company under the Com­ * * (d) The supply position In the drought panies Aet, 1956. A proposal for its reor­ ganisation is under consideration. Affected area* is under consult review. ■ Reasonable requirements of fooderains of In a recent Conference of the State the drought affected States are being met. Ministers incharge of Social Welfare and Backward Classes Welfare, the States Governments were advised to reconstitute Sanitation and Hertieaitare Arraageauat the State Social Welfare Boards as registered ia type If Quarters of Maadir Marg, societies. New Delhi. Setting ap of Power Committee for, * * 2932. SHRI B K. DASCHOW DHURY: Imptamentatioa of National Health Wm the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS­ Scheme for Rural Areas ING be pleased to state : 2934. SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHURY: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (a) whether la Type II quarters of FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : Mandir Marg, New Delhi, there is no sani­ tation and horticulture arrangement provi­ (a) whether a High Power Committee ded by any authority for the last eight to go into details of a National Health months; and Scheme for rural areas prepared by the Ministry and to suggest the necessary modi­ (b) if so, the details thereof and the fications for its speedy implementation has jfept taken by Government in providing been set up; fctttb facilities at the earliest 7 fb) whether the scheme today fey medical man ia rural areas ha* been THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE binafted ; and MINISTRY OF HEALEH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY (c) if *o, the main features thereof OF WORKS AND HOUSINO (PROF. and the progress achieved 7 * * D.F. CHATTOPADHYAYA): (A) mud (b). mrw fanitation arrax^ements have already THE MINISTER OF STATE IN tHB been provided. As regards hflttjcuhufal MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY arrangements, laying of the unfit! tered water PLANNINO IN THE rtlNlSfRY OF r stain hasboea «0mpM0d id Iniy 1972 and w o rk s a n d H o u am o accessary horttOMtaiJ work is ift feaad. CHATIWADHYAYA): » Y*,’ ' m Wr#m Anmmn SRAVANA 30, 1€94,(SAKA) Written Answers I$g

(b) snd (c). At the Conference of and the employment of M.B B.S* Health Ministers recently held Hi New Delhi doctors. a Committee of Ministers was constituted to go into tbe details and to suggest such The State Governments have requested modifications as may be necessary to ensure to cosider the suggestions and revise the the smooth aad efficient implementation of scheme to suit the conditions prevailing the Schema. This Committee held its first in tbe respective Sfate* and to forward the meeting on the 27th July, 1972. The vari­ scheme by tha 15th of September, 1972, to ous suggestions for modffScations made at the Government of India together with a the meeting of the Committee can broadly complete syllabus for various types of train­ be classified into the fallowing three cate­ ing so that further action may be taken in gories ; the matter.

(i) employment of para-medical f in w fiwT staff af'er giving them some basic training; ira rn ra (ii) employment of para-medical 2935. n r o Ofim : wi staff and also the registered medical practitioners m the *f Health Centres and Sub-Centres *

ffa »r*nw W TTWi?rt («ft. :

V** f« w *ft*TFW *f<«f IjW t W«IT V*Nt srfiw I 2 3 (*0 %) 31*7-72 a* toitar aw r irn «r< vfa i 12 36 7.38 empftv enfir: (

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2936. ifanrcw (ftfcw : wi v f r « h i m * T m srw l («ft wwn- fawi «ftr wrra »ff *m% vt mfjw ft, tot s^t owe k fifW i>P vt Sft- m lr “jrw tft* swresr, mmsfr *fht («r) *f* ft, eft aw*»nft wi# sransnft % fircra ath m«ft»r ermurt % v n t ? $*re % fwr

ftrwt *ffc w*wr * w rn « *rw i *f *t jwaw jn*a fwi ( i w W * («ft %•

rwj atat *f rax

(«) m u (bj) The traffic is not *kj**d but It only held up at a few river crossings occa­ ■ '** ■ **- - 4 "1^ Sf. WFKT I£W? V SRT*Rf W 1972-73 * sionally for short duration daring the rainy season. if

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2939. SHRI SHRIKRISHNA (*) w r AGRAWAL : Will the Minister of SHIPP- STORf! i f w ? v tf ING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state: #nr 5ttt smtfara n>wt |; (a) whether National Highway No. 6 passes from Raipur to Sambalpur in Madhya (w) »rfa ft, to# ^hjw tw sf Pradesh; wtr ?; «ftt

(b) if so, whether Government are (»r) w ift3r5Ti ^ sftwsr I t aware that this National Highway passes over many riven as a result of which it is 1972-73 * wfiw dosed particularly during rainy season; jptnft ^ fir (A . e . «ft. w ^ r w m ) : ( * ) *r Government to ensure that this Highway is not closed and the time by which necessary (n). W work is likely Io be completed f t ftw «wf»w w w'*’** $ aftr w THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE I*tt # wmfl < An* wrw DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY * ® f f?¥ cultivation of Sugar beet and Beet Seed t *ft i* s $ o w w rw Jf *r* x $ $ 1 production. t*r jfum# wtfrr 1-4-69* iwi^ Mlihila University twg^Rr w * t o m m v m w*nrc*fi *> ffctr ?fRf 'srf^Ercf ^i?hr ^rfm?rT WHft 2942. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND i slw wrw wvrtr vt ™ t SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : ipWFMr WtVm, W eW SPTTn, 9F*T (a) whether a modern iMithila) Univer­ nw *rtvf

$ m | i (b) if so, the University Grants Com­ mission’s assistance to the same ? * m sfor r m % *ft « f* «r^ft *r%fon %sr-^w w n % fr^f qfpsr t o t fc THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE V tfw r f f t v x jfan sft & r tm fo r (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Accor­ *ffa*r wt PwrrfwRr ?r$r fa^r *r * w i ding to the information furnished by the Government of Bihar, the Mithila Univer­ sity has started functioning with head­ Foreign Assistance in Caltitatten of Sugar Beet and Son Flower quarters at Darbhanga.

2941. SHRI HARI KISHORE SlNGH: (b) Under the University Grants Com­ Will tfce Minister of AGRICULTURE be mission (Amendment) Act, 1972, no grant pleased to state ; can be given to the University unless the Commission has after satisfying itself in such (a) whether some foreign countries matters as may be prescribed, declared the have offered assistance in India's agriculture University to be fit for receiving such grant. development particularly in cultivation of The question of assistance, if any, w*ll be sugar-beet and sun-flower; considered after the University approaches the Commission and after taking into consi­ deration the provisions of the University

4. D ryland farm ing polytechnic, and Construction of Dry Dock in Calcatta 5. A griculture Engineering polytechnic to build bigger ships

T o begin with em phasis would be laid 2945. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH: on inservice training and technical literacy Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND drive so that these program m es do not in TRANSPORT be pleased to State : any way add to the unem ploym ent problem . (a) whether there is a proposal to The pattern of assistance has yet to be construct a new Dry Dock to build biggtr decided. The details, such as location, ships in Calcutta; staffing etc., are yet to be w orked out, (b) whether the Dock is being cons­ Mini-Kit-Programme for Rice tructed with foreign collaboration; and

2944, SHRI BHOGBNDRA JHA : (c) if to, the nature and terms of the Will the Minister of AGRlCULrURB be collaboration and the date by which the pleated to state : dock is likely to be constructed? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether a rice mini-kit programme DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY hat been sponsored by Government and AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF l.C.AR. with the Cooperation of Ford SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI Foundation in order to inteslfy extension OM MEHTA): (a) to

: M whether a delegation-consisting of (c) Under the Indo-CARE Agreement three students has gone to London to pa'tici of 1950, a Mid* day Meals Programme with pate at the 14th International Youth Science CARE assistance, is being implemented ia Fortnight; the State Sector by the State/Union ^erii> tory Governments of Andhra Pradesh, (b) if so, names of the delegates ; Gujarat, Haryana, Kerala, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, Mysore, Orissa, Punjab, (c) the names of the authorities respan• Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, Uttar Pradesh, West sible for their selection ? Bengal and Pondicherry. CARE supplies the food commodities (corn-flour, bulgar, wheat, rolled wheat, powder, corn, THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE m i l l c MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND soyabean, CSM, Salad 0:1 and Milk Bread) free of charge at the ports to the SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI 1C S. RAMA- I n d i a n State/Union Territory Governments. The SWAMY) : (a) to (c). Government has no information. No such delegation has been States/Union Territory Governments bear clearance and other administrative sponsored by Gavernment. charges for the distribution of the the food to the children a n d also the CARE Food Poisoning in certain Schools in cost in New York on the packing, labelling Trivandrum of the consignments before shipment and in India on the pay and allowances of the 2947. SHRI RAMKANWAR : Indian personnel and the maintenance of SHRI M. M. JOSEPH: CARE offices at the State capitals under an American Administrator. According to Will the Minister of HEALTH AND CARE, the States/Union Territories propose FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : to cover a total number of 110.19 lakh children during 1972-73. (a) whether there have been several cares of suspected food poisoning in certain (d) and (e). The Central Government schools in Trivandrum recently; have not issued any orders banning the distri­ bution of CARE food to school childern. (b) whether free food through the good Due to suspected food poisoning the State Offices of Cooperative for American Relief Government issued instructions to suspend Everywhere (CARE) is being supplied; temporarily CARB feeding in the State.

(c) if so, the details thereof; Demands of Employees of I4.T. New Delhi

(d) whether Government of India 294$. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : hive stopped supply of the CARE food to Will the Minister of EDUCATION AHD •ceikod^f children; and SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state ;

(e) reasons for imposing such a ban t (a) whether the employees of the Indian Institute of Technology, New Delhi had lecently conducted an agitation including THE MINISTE R OF STATE IN THB Gfiem* ia support of their demands; MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF (b) the demands made by the employees; WORKS ANp HOUSING (PROF. D. P. and ... CHAttOPADHYAYA): (a) There was a report of suspected food poisoning from (c) the effort* nude to come t o m • Attmgal near a,reement with the employees on theie Trivandrum. No chemical taxin was detec. dera*nd» 7 fed. A few cases have been confirmed ■bq&WfoJlogicafly as Cholera cases subse- THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, SOCIAL AMO CUtTUJtE ' ffRCH>. S. KO*UL I^%SANi : (*} to

•oine of the employees is of tiie Idim Ins­ consisting of the representatives qf the titute of Technology, Delhi to the Director faculty and others which would act as ah of the Institute on 31st M»y, 1972. There Advisory Committee. Action on alt other wvre aiae demands presented by the emp­ matters recommended by the Subcommittee loyees. The demands are mainly related to and accepted by the Board of Governors is the following: being taken.

(i) Recogait ion of the Employee’s Social Security Measures in Fifth Union; Plan

(il) Constitution of an Administrative 2949. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : Standing Committee; Will the Minister of EDUCATION AN0 SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to stale : (iii; W ithdraw al o f disciplinary cases; (a) whether the Conference of the State (iv) Preparation of Gradation Lists; Ministers for Social Welfare held recently in New Delhi has discussed the approach (v) Rejulansation of temporary emp- to social security in Fifth Plan; ees; (vi) implementation of all rules and (d) if so, the views expressed at the orders of Govt; Conference; and

(vii) Representation of the I.I.T. employees (c) whether any tentative estimates have ou the Board of Governors; been made as to the funds required for social security measures in the Fifth Plan? (viii) Change of designation of some of the staff; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (ix) Provision of promotion opportuni­ MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL ties to class IV staff. WELFARE (SHRI K.S. R AM AS W AMY) : (a) and (b). This was one of the items in­ (x) Campus facilities and amenities to be cluded in the agenda for the Conference extended to all the employees. but could not be discussed in detail. Thp State Ministers, however, were requested to let the Central Government have their pro­ On receipt of Charter of D&namds, the posals for the Fifth Plan at an early date. Chairman of the Board of Governors after discussing the matter with soms of the members of the B^ard appomtei a Sub- (c) The financial implication of the pro­ ComniUee of thdB»ard of Gwcra^rs on posals contained in the agenda paper was 2nl June, 1972 to lo3k into the various estimated to be Rs. 758 crores. demands of the staff. Extension of activities and Programme of Worker's Soc al Education The Co.unittee submitted their recom­ Institutes mendations to the B)*rd on 22nd July, 1972, 2950. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND The report of the Committee wai consi­ SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : dered by the Board of Governors in its meeting held on 22nd of July, 1972. While the meeting was going on, some of the (a) the recommendations contained in employees gheraotd the members of the the report submitted by the 5-member #xpert group s$ up to formulate concrete pro­ Board from il A.M. to 5 P.M. and did not permit them to come out posals for the enpansioa Of Hi**ctMtiea> and programmes of the Workers* Social Educating Ia*ti*utes; th e Board has accepted &e ratommen- dation* of the Committee aedasfced^he; Director 0 constitute a Staff Committee (b when was the report submitted ,171 . Writm. Aww* AUOUST2lr iS7? Writ ten Answers m

(c) whether this report has been consi- SOCIAL WBLFARE (SHR1 K. S. RAMA*

t» re DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (c) The scheme is under consideration MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND of the State Governments. When the reac­ SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- tion of all the State Governments has been JSWAMY) : (a) Recommendations made by ascertained, it will be considered by the t^&xpert Group are laid on the Table of Ministry of Finance. ffc House. [ Placed tn Library See No. UMA62J72 J (d) This depends on the State Govern* ments. 'V (b) The Expert Croup submitted the Report in February, 1971. Prosposal from Peru (S, America) for setting np Pilot project for Buffalo (c) Summary of the Report of the Ex­ Breeding Centre pert Group waa placed before the Board in its meeting held on 21.7.1972. 2952. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to ■ (d) The Report of the Expert Group is state : being sent to the Workers* Social Education Isietitutes to implement those recommenda­ tions which have been accepted by the (a) whether Government have received Government of India. any proposal for setting up a pilot project for Buffalo Breeding Centre in Peru, South America ; and Pilot projects for Eradication of lUlttrcy hi Selected Districts (b) if so. the reaction of Government ! 2951. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN : thereto ? #ill the Minister Of EDUCATION AND ^QClA^ WELFARE be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) when were the recommendations MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. made by the National Board of Adult SHER SINGH) ; (a) No, Sir. Bducatios for formulating Pilot Project for Eradication of illiteracy in Selected Districts; (b) Question does not arise. (b) the details of the draft scheme which Seminar en Abate *f Drugs by Yonttis hasbeen prepared for complete eradication of illiteracy among six million illiterate 2953. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Wilt the adtsalts in Selected Districts in the first phase Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL of the Fourth Plan; WELFARE be pleased to state :

((C) lbr how long this draft scheme is (a) whether i two^day Seminar was UOder the consideration of Ministry of held on the 2Sth July, 1972 abaut the abuse of drugs by youth ; , ■■ tkeifc l» at* iwtttibfflty. of ' ^ acbeme be{ng imi»toraented before the 0# *f »0, whether nmjr recommenda­ **d of Fowth Five Y «f Plan ? ' tions were nsadeto Government ; and

THEDEPUTY MINISTBRIN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 173 Written Answers $RAVaNA 50,1$94 (SAKA) Written Antwtrt ^74

< THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Central Assistance of Andhra Pradesh t MINISTRY OF EDUCATION ANP for Drought Sttaatfa**1 * SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- SVVAMY) : (aj Yet, Sir. The Delhi Adtni- 2955. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : Will the , oistrmion organised a two-day Seminar on Minister of AGRICULTURE j>e pleased to ‘Drug Abuse and Youth* on 28 th and 29th •tate : July, 1972* (a) whether Government have granted < (b) and (c). The recommendations of any help to the Andhra Pradesh Govern­ the Saminer were not received by the ment to face drought situation in thetState; Government of India. These were received by the Delhi Administration and are being (b) if so, the details thereof and to examined by them. what extent; and t Expansion of Shipping Corporation of (c) if not, the reaeons therefor T India ■

(b) if so, the broad outlines of the pro* In view of (he continuing drought con* posai and the steps taken in that direction ? ditions after June, I9t?, the State Govern­ ment has requested for a'review of the THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ situation and an assessment of the require* TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND ments of fuqds fo« the pubtefcoant period TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR).* by a Central team. (a) and (b). The Shipping Corporation has acquired a fleet of 77 vessels of 8 71 lakhs Pending the assessment by the team, GRT (13.00 lakhs DWT). With the acqui­ the State Government also requested fa/a n sition of the shares of the Jayanti Shipping ad-hoc assistance of Rs. 5 crores against Company in October 1971, the fleet of the which a loan of Rs. 2.50 crores has already Jayanti Shipping Company comprising 16 been sanctipned to the $tat$ Government. vessels of 2.95 lakhs GRT (4.81 lakhs , 1 }■ ■' ur>* DWT) has also come under the ownership The Centralteam is also > being consti­ of the Shipping Corporation. In addition, tuted and wi 11 be visiting the State shortly. the Corporation has already placed orders for 39 ships totalling over 1 million GRT (c) Does not arise. (1.6 million DWT) with Shipyards in India v ' * and abroad, as a part of its Fourth Plan expansion programme. The Corporation Installation of Gamma Irradiation unit id OstiiAtthi University ^ intends to further expand its fleet and acti­ i t < h t . :, * \ S vities during the Fifth Plan period. It also intend* to expand its activities and extend 2956. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH i WilWhe Msservices to other areas, consistent with Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCj^L the requirements of the country.’®; inter­ } WELFARE be gjeaefd.** a$ate<* national trade and their commercial viabi­ i lity. In the Corporation’s future expansion (a) whether the first gamma irradiation programme, more emphasis is kid upon unit of Indian design has been installed in diversification o f its fleet through the deve­ Oamanja University . if to, lopment of (he bulk carrier, tanker and * the. broad tyuum thereof; * * ,. .i otfa^apecialised trades,, where th^W tfc*- piUpo todiWI SUppip* fl ! 1173 Written dnsm n AUGUST 21,1972 Written A*tw*rt 176

(c) the approximate amouat spent for negotiated with the Government of V S.SJR. the unit installed ? the proposed Agreement is in genera! terms and does not specify the number of type of vessels to be imported. The question of fHfe MINISTER OF EDUCATION* earmarking vessels for allotment to Kerala SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE or other States does not, therefore, arise. t XPROF. S. NURUL HASAN) ; (a) Yes, In accordance with the approved polity, Sir. A one-tbousand curie Cobalt-60 indigenous capacity for construction of deep Gamma shine specially designed and fabri­ sea fishing vessels should be folly utilised. cated indigenously by the Isotope Division The balance of vessels will be obtained of the Bhaba Atomic Research Centre, under the proposed Agreement to the extent ’ "Bombay has been installed at the Genetics Of availability. The situation will, there­ Departments of Osmania University. The fore, have to be reviewed In the context of Unit is designed primarily for biological the Agreement after it has been concluded. research, it provides an intense field of gamma radiation over an extended region. < It has provision to have experiments con* Central Assistance to Kerala for espan- to te d both on agricultural stocks and live slon of cashew cultivation stocks.

(b) The Unit is in full operation and ts 2$58. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will being used for the studies on preservation the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased of foods by irradiation. to state:

(c) A sum of about Rs. 2 lakhs has (a) whether Government are aware of been spent on the Unit and the building. the necessity to increase the cashew cultiva­ tion in the country to decrease our depen­ Import •fflthiag vessels from U- S. S. R. dence on other countries for the supply of raw cashew nuts ; 2957. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : (b) if so, the steps taken in that direction ; (a) whether Government have taken a Anal denision regarding the import of fish­ (c) whether Government of Kerala have ing vessels from U. S. S. R. for deep sea asked for any financial assistance for the fiahittg; development of cashew cultivation in that State; and (b) if so, the main features thereof and how many of the imported vessels have (d) if so. the reaction thereto ? been demanded by the Kerala Government for the execution of its fisheries develop­ ment project; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI (c) the reaction of the Central Govern­ ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. ment thereto ?

THE tfmtSTB* OF STATE t t t THB (b) th e Governttiebt of Indig have MINISTRY OP AGRICULTURE (SHRI take* up the following Central!y tpo psored ANKASAHBB P. 8HIMDE): («) to (e). tcbetnes in the Ftwrth ftin in the ttfojor AfkAgfeemeftton Cooperation in the field caetew growing States to step tip ^ pro- <***•*<* and inlgod fisheries it beteg duction of cashew in the cm ify W Written Answers SRAVANA 90, 1994 (&AXA) Written Answers 170

Scheme < Physical Target Financial outlay for IV Plan for IV Pltut (Mm, in lakhs) r 1 1. Production of cashew air-layers: 2,75,000 nos. 3.30 2. Organisation of demons- tration plots ; 1,500 „ 13.50 3. Adoption of plant pro* lection measures : 93.240 acres 50.38 4. Marketing surveys : 4.82 The cashew development programme in t, fare* w* 1972 «*r ** 1973 i the Central Sector has been further augmen­ ted with the implementation of a scheme on s w w: Jf, n rre rtftt w r * i r a Special Package Programme on cashew and «nw*f tinPiwtnti * area expansion in the departmental planta­ tions to cover 5,000 hectares under each in Rut OTwf t i feitt »wr 11 the different States at a total outlay of Rs. 100 lakhs in the last two years of the *Rnf?r *tr i r o w y w w Jfft- Fourth Plan. anr < f * (c) No specific assistance has been asked to -w Awrform for by the Government of Kerala. ^ w i 11

(d) Does not arise. San flower caltifatioa

ir m 2960. SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state :

2959. «ft *«m fw n«pst: wt (a) whether Government have ascer­ ^ it? p n f t f : tained the names of the States in the country, where sun flower cultivation is possible ; ( * ) W T w u ifft w <#

( * ) i l « !r (c) if so, the main features thereof ? v PRPft «n*r Sf THB MINISTER OF STATB IN THE w n r o 11 MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHiNDE): (a) Yes, Sir. fft(tftw w n- Wfffc* 41. fw*) : (*) (w), wrr.

Variety suitable

U Kharlf 1. Central region covered by Vniimk or Peredavik in (Jftme-July showing adjoining areas of Maha­ Maharashtra and M. P., and October-Nov. rashtra. M. P., Gujarat, Armavirakli in Gujarat, harvesting.) Rajasthan and Bunded Rajasthan and Bandel- khlnd region. khand.

2. Kharlf 2. Southern region : Arraavirskfy. (June-July sowing Rafchur in Mysore and and October-Nov. Coimbatore and Salem harvesting) ill Tamil Nadu.

3. M l 3* Kolhapur and Jatgaon Armavirtkij. (Nov. Feb.) regions of Maharashtra. irrigated if necessary.

4. Ahmcdabad district of Viniimk Gujarat

5. Terai region of Uttar Vniimk Pradesh.

6. West Bengal. Peredavik 7. Coimbatore and Salem Armavirskij of Tamil Nadu.

8. Telengina of A. P. Armaverta

4. Summer 9. Gange ie Plains of Cen­ (irrigated) tral ani Western Uttar March-June. Pradesti.

Sunflower was tried during Kharif season under the All India Coordinated Oilseeds Improvement Project in Bihar. The kharif crop was not very tuccessfyt. Further **peri- •wwts ar* bajng conducted at Kanke and Pi*sa in Bihar under the All India Project to eqptoi* ib e snHafeilify of Sun Flower in that State. 1*1 Written Answers SRAVANA 30.1194 (jSAKA) Written A»w*rs 18* r,

Mfcar fisr behind to m m M m aad mesrt of contracts and push up the works. develepateat of Natiwiai Highways They have indicated that during the current financial year (1972-73) the expenditure on works would be of the order of Rs. eight 2961. SHRI K, M. MADHUKAR ; crores. Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : Rales framed for ai flahitHMrt to certain Pom s InDeBUMilkScheme (a) whether Bihar h behind iti Fourth Plan target on the construction and deve­ 2962. SHRI S. C. SAM ANT A : Will lopment of National Highways and out of the Minister of AGRICULTURE be plea­ total allocation of Rs. 44.5 cro^er includ ing sed to state : R«. 27.5 crores for sanctioned schemes, only 3.5 crores have beta spent so far; (a) whether any Rules had been framed for appointment to the Posts of Inquiry (b) If so, the reasons therefor and Officer, Personnel Officer and Administra­ whether the Central Government has asked tive Officer in the Delhi MUk Scheme as the State Government for such delayed envisaged in the provision to Article 311 of action and slow progress in construction a t the Constitution; and if so, whether he National Highways; and would lay a copy thereof on the Table;

(c) if so, the reply Government of (b) the manner in which the appoint­ Bihar has given to the Centre and what ments to these posts had been made present­ further steps the Centre propose to take to ly; remove the malady ?

(c) whether some appointments are being reversed despite the fact that the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE incumbents thereof fulfilled the prescribed DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY conditions regulating the respective appoint­ AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF ments; and SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM MEHTA): (a) to (c). Estimates sanc­ tioned to date total to Rs 31.79 crores (d) if so, the reasons therefor and steps against Rs. 44 5 crores assessed to be the taken or proposed to be taken to set matters cost of development works on National right and retain the status quo ? Highways in Bihar during the Fourth Plan. The expenditure incurred till 31st March, 1972 is Rs 7.33 crores. THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF, SHER SINGH) : (a) Recruitment Rules The reasons for the relatively slow pro- „ have been framed under Article 309 of the grew to the execution of National Highway Constitution of India for regulating appoint­ works in Biha!1 have been discussed recently ments to three posts. A copy each of the with the State Public Works Department Recruitment Rules is laid on the Table of officers. The main reasons for llow pro­ the House. {Placed in library S** No< gress have been Dm delay in acquisition 6 t LT-3463/72 J. land* and settlement of Ieoders for works, besides (Woislty to transportation of tttu* menand.cafftractiiai problems; t h * State t o tile position regarding appoints**! P.WJ>. have bean atfced to expedite eetUe- WU*»p«UI»».un4«; 1*9 Written A**wm AUGUST 2l$ t f f t W ritten Answer* 114

Designation SfflC r 1 Position of '

(1) inquiry Otticw 1 This post was filled on an ad-hoc basis by appointment of i Class It officer of the D.M.S. fa t the period (tom 31.1.1970 (A.N.) to 31.7.72.

(2) Personnel Ofllew 1 This post wai filled on an ad-hoc basis with effect from 1st July, 1971 by deputation of Class 11 Central Secretariat service officer.

(5) Administrative 2 One post is filled in accordance with Officer the Recruitment Rules by promo* tion. Action to fill the other post (b) Does not arise. by deputation is in progress.

(c) No The incumbent in the post of cerned State Governments after discussing the Inquiry Officer holding it an ad-hoc basis, specific cases with the Union Ministry of has been reverted because he does not Agriculture. No proposals in this regard fulfill the conditions or the Recruitment have so far been received from any State Rules. Government.

(d; Does not arise. Improvement In working of Social Welfare Programme

Machinery to sepervtee Land Celling 2964. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will Legislation and Its implementation the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 2963. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state ; (a) the measures adopted and being en­ forced to bring about improvement to the working of the Social Welfare Programmes (a) whether any machinery is being set in the country; up or is likely to be set up to see that land ceiling legislations are enacted and imple­ (b) whether the financial targets nw nt mented properly and uniformly; and for social welfare have been or are being increased as compared to previous years end (b) the suggestions for Land ceiling if so, the mam features thereof; received from Hill States and other areas (c) whether arrangements exist to sae exempted from the operation of ceiling laws that the organisations or administrative «nd targets being fixed for them ? machinery for the purpose is suitably manned and harnessed to carry on the work THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE satisfactorily; and MINISTRY OP AGRICULTURE (SHRI ANNASAHEB p. SHINDE) : (a) Enact- (d) whether there is or is likely to be ment send implementation of land ceiling set up any Central agency to coordinate legislation is the responsibility of the State activities in States in this behalf ? Governments. Revenue machinery exists for the oitrpose in each State end it will be strengthened wherever the situation warrants TH8 DEPUTY MINISTER IN TOT MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA* (b) The Chief Ministers* Conference has SWAMY): (a) Various measures k * idop- recommended that tn special cases like tednccof #f>g to lequfcememsm dfettft attas and fc% aitaas the ceiling limit toaprvsm am In Hm, 4*orttng*f the Subm for dry lands may be relaxed by tftt con­ Wtt&re Programmes in the m n ^ ?«5 V/rfttm A n tn n SRAVANA JO. 1«M (SAKA) Written AtuntTt M

Recently important topics were consi­ The Annual Plans of State Governments dered by a Conference of State Ministers are discussed at the Central level by experts for Backward Classes and Social Welfare in tbe field of Social Welfare and the Plan­ held on 23rd July. 1972 such a s :— ning Commission where guidelines and improvements are suggested. (l) A new Strategy for Tribal Develop- meet. Study Teams/Expert Committees are set up to go into the working of the pro­ (?> Removal of Untouchability. grammes and to make suitable recommenda­ tions. (3) Reorganisation of the Centra! Social The enforcement is mostly with the W dfare Board. State Governments where the projects are implemented at the ground level. (4> The Roles of Government and Voluntary Agencies in Social Welfare Evaluation studies in respect of impor* tant programmes are undertaken from time (5) Social Security in the Pifth Plan. to time and improvements suggestsd, where* ever necessary. (6) Rehabilitation of the persons affec- ted by dacoity and of the famities of (b) Financial targets have been sailed the ex~dacoits. according to the needs of tbe various pro­ grammes. The year-wise expenditure on Social Welfare Programmes in tbe Central Recommendations made by the Confe­ Sector durina the past 3 years of the Fourth rence will be considered and implemented Plan and budget provision for 1972-73 are toy tbe State Governments. as under ;

(R upees in lakhs)

Expenditure Expenditure Expenditure Provision 1969-70 1970-71 1971-72 1972-73

(Anticipated ) Rs. 294.37 Rs. 513.71 Rs. 1,479.48 Rs. 2,563.52 (including expendi­ (including Spe­ ture on Special cial Nutrition Nutrition Pro­ Programme.) gramme)

Special Nutrition Programme for child­ Setting «p of Russian equipped ren has been given special consideration Paediatric Ward ie the Medical and the allocation o f Rs* 10 crores provided College, Alleppy in 1971-72 has been enhanced to Rs. 21.5 ctrores in 1972*73. 2965. SHRI M. S. S1VASWAMY ; SflRl MilHAMMED SHERIFF: {•)

(0) The Department of Social Welfare Will the £iifti«ter of HEALTH AND at tbe Ceetml level perfonwi tbisrole. FAMILY PLANNING be pleased te state ; It1 Wrttm Aw#*rt AUGUST 21. 19n Written Atavtri IS* (a) whether Government have given (b) *f so, the broad outlines thereof clearance for setting up of a Russian equip­ tod the progress achieved in this regard T ped 100-bed Paediatric Ward in the Medical College, AUeppy; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY (b) if so, the time by which the Ward AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF is likely to be set up and start functioning ? SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM MEHTA): (a) and

However, on the request of the Govern­ (d) how it is proposed to consume it ment ot Kerala the Government of India and the period in which the entire quantity have approved of the receipt as gift of will be consumed 7 various items of equipments from the Government of U.S.S.R. for use in the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Paediatrics Department of the Medical MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. College at Alleppy. The Government of SHER SINGH): (a) During tbe period U S.S.R. have already been requested to 1.7 70 t» 30.*. 72, DeUti Milk Scheme release equipments to the Government of received through Indian Dairy Corporation, Kerala. Barbda 1.701 tonnes of imported butter oil at a cost of about Rs. 1.65 crores. The Dry Deck to build bigger ifeipt country-wise breakup of the imported butter oil has not been recorded by Delhi Milk 2*6*. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY : Scheme Witt4 the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to be state : (b) The keeping quality of butter oil is about 6 months to one year In sealed tine, (a) whether Government have Chalk d ff keptln ooM storage. m # butter *0 is owt a plan to hwe new dry dock to butt! being u M ty O.M.S; Mr nounMntlon'' o t bigger ships in the country; and Miliu. 119 Written Answers SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers l$6

(c) The qty. of butter oil in stock of first floor flats, in replacement of the existing *s on 1-7-72 w u 01.8675 Tonnes. common connections to the both the ground Butter oil is kept io DMS io the cold door and the first floor flats in the hand and storage* it likely to be completed shortly. On comple­ tion of this work, water supply to the' first (d) Butter oil is used akmgwith fresh iloor flats will improve to some extent. milk for the production of standardised sod Further improvement wiU take place when toned milk. Generally butter oil is received the New Delhi Municipal Committee would by Delhi Milk Scheme fortnightly from connect the dead ends of the water supply Indian Dairy Corporation and the stocks are distribution cricuit which work is expected utilised within 2 months. to be completed by them within a period ot (ibout 2 months. lnadeqoate supply of water ia *V and *M* Blocks of Sarajlnl Nagar, Allotment of Government Accommodation New Delb I at tbe time of Retirement and daring Re-Employment In undertaking 2968. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: WiU the Minister of WORKS AND 2969. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: HOUSING be pleased to refer to the reply Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS* given to Unstarred Question No. 6845 oo 1NG be pleased to state: the 22nd May, » 1972 regarding scarcity of water supply in ‘L* and ‘M’ Blocks, Sarojini fa) the guidelines laid down for the Nagar, New Delhi and state : allotment of Government accommodation in Delhi/New Delhi to the Officers on deputa­ (a) whether be is aware that since tion to the various Central Government March last, not a trickle of water is coming undertakings or those who happen to occupy in the la\ atones in these blocks thus causing Government accommodation at the time of consideranie inconvenience apart from retirement and continue to occupy it even causing health hazards to the allottees; after their retirement and during re-employ* ment in the Undertakings; (b) whether the water supply in the day too is hardly sufficient to meet the bare (b) the rate at which rent is recovered needs for daily use; and from this class of Officers;

(c) if so, time which is likely to be (c) whether he would lay on the Table taken to ensure adequate supply of water a statement showing the names of such both for lavatories and other daily use to Officers who continue to occupy Govern­ the allottees in these two Blocks 7 ment accommodation during their re-employ- ment in a Government undertaking as on THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THB the 1st July, 1972 and the period upto which MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY they have been/will be permitted to retain PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY Stich accommodation; and OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) Yes, (d) whether Government propose to Sir. Due to low pressure in the w*«ar review their policy in this behalf 7 mains maintained by the New Delhi Muni­ cipal Committee, water does not reach the overhead takes during the summer months. THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY (b) and (c). There Is no difficulty of OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. water supply for the ground finer lints of L D. P. CHAtTOPADHYAYA): (a) and & M Blocks to meet the daily needs. The (b)« According to the existing policy, offi* first floor fiats also get water supply but for cers on deputation to Central Government a lesser number o f ,hours depending upon undertakings as* not eligible for allotment tl» tfre water junto of the Hew of aaoaral fiool . Tbfl Delhi Municipal OpmmUtee. Tbe worife of Cen^n*, Government w p k w m * bad providing separate distribution lines Io thn gene on deputation to various public under­ Wrttm Antwr* 191 ■:? ' w takings prfo to die 16th December, 1968 matte by Delltf Milk StetMsme, to meet fttfly ..and'weio in occupation of general poo! the requirements of ghee to M Ps. through accommodation, have been alibied to retain the Parliament HouseMilk Stall. However, (hat accommodation against payment of during the lean summer season, there is a licence fee at market rates by the undertak­ decline in the availability of fxesh milk with ing concerned. The employees; who have the result that the manufacture of ghee has gone on deputation to such undertakings on to be curtailed considerably. Daring this or-after the 16th December, 1968, are not period, the supply of ghee to M. Ps. is eligible to retain the accommodation in their regulated by Delhi Milk Scheme according occupation beyond the concessional period to the availability of surplus fat from time admissible under the rules. Government to time. servants, Who happened to be in occupation of general pool accommodation at the time of retirement, are not entitled to retain the (c) Delhi Milk Scheme has the manu­ same on their re-employment in public facturing capacity of about 8 tonnes of undertakings. ghee per day. However, the actual produc­ tion of ghee depends upon the availability (c) Only one officer, re-employed in of surplus fat after meeting the liquid milk Pdblic undertaking namely, Shri T. K. requirements of the Delhi citizens, During Balasubramaniam, has been pemitted to the flush winter season of 1971-72, as retain Government Accommodation allotted against the Plant capacity to manufacture to him when he was in service, upto 26th 1464 tonnes of ghee in 183 days of flush October, 1972. period, 285.625 tonnes of ghee could only be manufactured due to inadequate availabi­ (d) There Is no proposal at present lity of surplus fresh milk. The quantity of under consideration to review the existing ghee manufactured during the lean summer months is much less and is depending upon policy i the reduced availability of surplus fat, from time to time. Restriction oa supply of lbs Ghee from D-M-S. Stall ft Parliament House (d) Delhi Milk Scheme is primarily 2970. SHRI K. SURYANAR a YANA: concerned with meeting the liquid milk Will the Minister of AGRICULTCJRB be requirements of Delhi citizens. The mami- pleased to state : facture of bye products like ghee ia under­ taken as ami when there ts surplus fat avail* able with the Scheme/ Delhi Milk Scbemp (a) whether the Delhi Milk Scheme is continuing its efforts to increase' the have rationed/restricted or proposed to procurement of fresh liquid milk. ration/restrict the supply of Ghee at the P. R Milk Stall to the M. Ps*; Mmsnndwa on fjatl in Price of arecaset |a States (b) if so, the scale fixed per mensem and the reasons for resorting to this step; 2971. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : (c) the monthly capacity of D.M.S. tp Will mo Minister of AGRlCULTUREbe manufacture Ghee both in the Jean and ffeased to state ; flmh periods and to what extent it is being utilised; and (a) wfteffier Government have received any memorandum from the Arecamit gro­ (4) the steps taken or proposed lo be wers of Kerala, Mysore and other States taken lo augment the supply of ghee which .about the steep fall in the price of Atoca- haa got e teady market in the capita* ? «m; and ;x ■ ;

MfWStifcOTSTATfc JH tHfe MINISTRY 6iP AGRKULTtrRE (fctOF. to takieb in ft* SHER SINGH) : (») and

TUB MINISTER OP STATE IN THE (iff) Civil Writ Petitions No. 88 to 91 MINISTRY OP AGRICULTURE (SHRI of 1971-» Shri G. N. Asthana and ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. others V/s Union of India and others—-in the High Court of (b) Tbe various issues raised in tbe Delhi at New Delhi. memoranda art being examined and the matter is under consideration of Go vern- will be laid on the Table of the House in ment, due course. Letters Patent Appeals Nos. 81 and 82 of 1972 have been admitted against the judgements referred to in (iii) above Employees of ICAR and are now pending disposal in the Hon* ble High Court of Delhi at New Delhi. 2972. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be (d) As the matter is sub-judice. Govern* pleased to state ; ment have no comments to make at present.

(a) the total number of employees work* Statement ing in the LC.A.R. and their status; (b) In terms of the Government Reso­ (b) whether these employees belong to an lutions constituting the Indian Council of autonomous body or a Government Depart* Agricultural Research, the Council, on its ment in view of the judgements of two diffe­ institutional side, was set up as a society in rent High Courts on writ petitions praying 1929 and registered under the Societies for a clear statement of the status of the Registration Act of I860, but its Secretariat staff of the ICAR; was, to start with Constituted as a regular Department of 'he Government and subse­ (c) whether copies of those two judge­ quently as an Attached Office of the Depart­ ments will be laid on the Table of the ment of Agriculture with effect from House; and Dth January, 1939. The staff comprised of Government servants and the expenditure (d) Government's reaction thereon ? on the Secretariat #as met from the Central Revenues. Till the year 1940, the Indian THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Council of Agricultural Research Secretariat MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI comprised almost entirely of the servants of ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) ; (a) The re­ the Government of in dia, though some iso­ quisite information is being collected and lated clerical posts came to be created out will be placed on the Table of the Sabha of the Research Funds alongwith the re­ as soon as possible. search schemes for looking after the cleri­ cal and accounts work. After the year 1947, due to un overall tncrea se in tbe acti­ (b) Statement giving the required infor­ vities of the Council and the inability of mation is enclosed. the Government to provide the requisite staff, additional staff was employed by the (c) Copies of tbe judgements delivered Council, from year to year, financed from in the Hon’ble High Courts in— its Research Funds. In this way, there came into existence a large number of minis* lerial staff and some scientific and technical (i) Civil Writ Petition No. 2«6*D/66- staff appointed by th e Council, side by side Shri Ruiya Ram V/s Union of with the staff provided by the Government India—in the Circuit Bench of of India in the Indian Council of Agricul­ Punjab High Court at Delhi; tural Research Secretariat.

(it) Civil Writ Petition No. 788 of 1970—Stari Partut Chandra Tha- In 1963,, the Government of India kur V/s Union of India and approved of tha reorganisation of the Indian otbers-in the High Cowl of Delhi Council of Agricultural Research as a Cen* at |

The I.C A R Society also took over a 2973, SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : part of the staff of the Central Commodity Committees, including the staff employed at the Commodity Research Institutes, men­ Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND tioned m (u) above SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the National Council of As regards ( i n ) above, i t wa* decided educational Research and Training, New to convert the ICAR S ecretariat, which Delhi, recently conducted a survey of the fits been functioning a s a n Attached Office system and pattern of secondary education of the Department of Agriculture, into an in Wast Bengal; and Office wholiy controlled and financed by the IXXA.R. Society, Option documents were (b) If so, the main findings and recom­ therefcre, served on the scientific, technical mendations thereof* 1«< WrUtfa Answers SRAVANA 30, im (SJXA) tf'rMen Anim n 1M

w .JW D E PU T Y MINISTER IN THE SWAMY) : Yes, Sir. Howtver, due to MINISTRY OP EDUCATION AND Jack of resources it will not be possible social w elfare (shri k . s. r a m a - duj’iojg the Fcui ih Five Year Plan to extend SWAMY) : («) No , Sir. the scope of tbe Centrally Sponsored Scheme relating to the appointment of (h) Does not arise. Hindi Teachers is non-Hindi speaking States to cover pre-University and pre-Degree Crash Program me for eradication of classes. The Government of Kerala have UJftemcy during 25th year of Independence been informed accordingly.

2974. SHRI RAM AVATAR SHASTRT : Ammonia Cracker-Cum-Burner bVh Ih- Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND ment for Kaodla-Katal Fertilizer SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : Complex in Gujarat ordered ftom a British Firm (a) whether there is any proposal under consideration to initiate a crash programme 2976. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR to eradicate illiteracy during the 25th year SINGH: Will the Minister of AGRI­ of Independence through the National ser­ CULTURE be pleased to state : vice scheme; (b) if so, the mainfeatures of the pro- (a) whether a huge Ammonia Cracker- posal; and cum-Burner Equipment to be installed at the Kandla-Kalol Fertilizer Complex in (c) whether the services of the existing Gujirat, has recently been ordered from a voluntary literacy organisations will be Briti>h Firm. Mosscr-* Wellmen Incandescent sought ? Furnace Company, Smethwich;

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) if so, the cost and functions of this MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND plant equipment and when it is likely to SOCIAL WELF\RE (Stf*l 1C. S. R \M \- start functioning m India, SWAMY) : (a) Yes, Sir. (c) whether such an equipment has been losuiled elsewnere m the country and (b) Main features of the project are if so, how is it working; and that National Service Sche.ne Volunteers will organise literacy drive with the help of local volunteers in selected areas. fd) the reason why this equipment could not be fabricated in India, when India (c) The services will be sought wherever has the know how ? necessary. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Financial Assistance to Non Hindi MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI speaking States for Hindi Education ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (a) M/a. Humphreys & Glasgow Ltd. (London) who 2*75. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : are one of the contractors of IFFCO are Witt the Minister of EDUCATION AND importing an Ammonia Cracker-cum*Burner SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state for installation in the urea plant at Kalol. whether any request from the Government of Kerala for the expansion of the scope of the centrally sponsored scheme of apnoin t- (b) The estimated cost of the equip­ ment of Hindi teachers to cover pre-Uni­ ment included in the lumpsum contract it versity arid pre-Degree classes has been £ 20,000. The exact amount would be received and if so* tbe decisions thereof t known only after the import of the equip­ ment, The function of this equipment is to supply inert gas (nitrogen) for safe startup THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE and shut-down of the plant. The ioert gas MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND would also bo used for the plant preparation SQCIAJL (SHRI K. S, RAMA- prioj to maintenance. This equipment **# WrttHn A nw tri AUGUST 21. t»71 Wrltttx Ann*n J00

which it part of the urea plant will start (a) All aged persons over the age of functioning when the plant is commissioned *S with no means of livelihood; ia March, 1974, according to present schedule. (b) All orphans;

(c) Indian Explosives Ltd., Kanpur, (c) Persons suffering from severe tbe unit of the Fertilizer Corporation of physical handicaps; India at Durgapur and Oujarat State Ferti­ (d) All windows during the first 12 lisers Corporation, Baroda are some of tbe month of their widowhood; fertilizer plants which have installed ammonia cracker equipment for production of inert and •as. It is understood that the working of the plants is satisfactory where these was (e) All widows with childem opto package import and that it is unsatisfactory the tune their children leave where part of the equipment was fabricated school. locally. (ii) The institutions providing relief should be rapidly expanded in scope and size of operations; (d) The import of equipment was allowed only after tbe procedure prescribed by tbe Directorate General of Technical (a) Homes for the aged; Development was followed and there was no response to the advertisement in recommen­ (b) Orphanages, ded trade journals. (c) Destitute Women's Homes; Report of ladian Study Team appointed to observe Structure and Functioning (d) Day care centres, and of Social Welfare Machinery in Britain (e) Training Centres & Homes for the Handicapped. 2977. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- THAM : Will the Minuter of EDUCATION (in) The existing nutritional services to AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to chi Idem of the age group 0 to 6 state: should be expanded to cover at least 25% of the childern. The (a) whether Government have received school lunch programme should the report of the Indian Study Team which also be similarly stepped up. was appointed to observe the structure and functioning of tbe Social Welfare Machinery in Britain; (iv) The public health services should be expanded so as to bring them much nearer to the requirments of (b) if so, the main recommendations tbe population. and conclusions in that report; and

(c) the decision of Government on that Britain has achieved, in a broad report ? sense, a minimum standard of living for its citizens. The study of the social security measures in U. K. THB DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE cannot, however, serve as a model MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND but it ean certainly help hi assigning SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA. priorities to various services as also SWAMY): (a) Yet, Sir. in tackling different elements which form the cote of social services it (b> The team recommended the follow* India. ing sects! security measures to be included in the Fifth Five Year Pl*n (e) th e C om m ent tats not j*t (i) Relief in the from of income to taken any decision on tfastf persons in tot#l distress: rmmmrnJstkips. 201 Written Answer* SRAVANA 30, M04 (SAKA) Cement Worker** Dtmand 202 for Interim RelteJ iCA) MMtiigvf Health State Secretaries THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 797$. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY THAM i Will the Minister of HEALTH OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b) . to at*te: Certain complaints were made by tbs mem­ bers of this society ihat they were not being (a) whether * meeting of the Health allotted plots according to the category for State Secretaries and administrative medical which they were enrolled. Subsequently Officer* was held recently in Delhi; they withdrew the complaints and the society allotted plots to the members in the various (t») whether that meeting discussed categories strictly according to their seniority proposals for providing better rural health in each category. services; and (c) and (d). In view of the position explained above, these question* do not (c) If so, the main features thereof ? arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 12.05 fcrs. PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. RE ; MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. SOME HON. MEMBERS ro*e— (b) Yes. MR. SPEAKER : I will take up the adjournment motion after the cali-attenikm. (c) A statement is laid on the Table of the House [Placed in Libarary. See No* SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU (Diamond LT—3464/72] Harbour); According to Rule 60. . . Cujraawala Loose Building Cooperative MR. SPEA1CER : I am going accord­ Society. Delhi ing to the rules end diiociions. ( Interruption) 2979. SHRI DHAN SHAN SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : According PRADHAN: Will the Minister of WORKS to Rule 60, the adjournment motion is to be AND HOUSING be pleased to state : taken up immediately after questions and before the list of business is taken up. Bui if you want to modify it by your direction... (a) whether any complaints have been received against the G ujranw ala House MR. SPEAKER : But, after we bad Building Co-operative Society, Delhi in the gone through the CaUiag Attention. This matter of allotment of plots, revision of is the procedure we have followed for many lay-out plan, handling of funds particularly years. There is nothing new. the so called 'development ftind’ and refund of excess amount to those members of the Society who had paid for large plots but have been allotted smaller plots; 12.06 hrs. CALLING ATTENTION TO (b) if to, the nature of those comp­ MATTER OF URGENT laints and the action taken in the matter PUBLIC IMPORTANCE or proposed to be taken; RBPOHTED DBIiAND OF CEMENT (Cj whether any enquiry has been WORKERS FOR INTERIM ordered in the matter; and

the Minister of Labour and Rehabilitation a miairaum wa ge of Rs, p ^ . lcom to the following matter of urgent public 1st September, 1970 as a result of the bila- importance and request that he may make a teral ne gotiations wittt the employers. The statement thereon : employers* contention Is that any increaaan in wages must be aooonipaaied by an ii& crease in the retention price of cement In ^Thfl reported demand of cement wor­ this connection, I would like to mention kers lor interim relief and Govern­ that on 28th. April, 1972, Government hat ment's reaction thereto.’ made a reference to the Tariff Comroi ssion for a comprehensive review of the cement industry, including ths question of fair ex­ THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND work* price pay sble to the producers. The REHABILITATION (SHRI R, K. question of wage-increase was discussed KHAD1LKAR) : Wages of eenent workers between the pasties and in this process they have been revised on two occasions in the were assisted by the Chief Labour Commis­ past on an industry-w!se basts, through the sioner (Central). No agreement could how­ agency of tripartite Wage Boards. The first ever be reached and a notice o fs strike Wa*e Board was set up in 1958. At that from 12th July 197i was served by the time there was no uniformity in the wages Unions. I intervened at this stage and on paid to cement workers at various places. my assurance tha t 4 meeting would be held The system of dearness allowance also with the representatives of employers and differed ff’om place to place. As a result workers to di«cu*s the issues involved, the of the recommendations of the First Wage strike was postponed. Board, a standardised wage structure came into existence. This meant a substantial increase over the then prevailing wages And At the meeting which I held with the in some cases it exceeded Rs. 25/- per representatives of the workers and employers month. Moreover, payment of dearness on 11th July, 1972 in New Dethi, it was allowance was linked to the cost of living agreed to set up a Joint Wage Negotiating index. Committee consisting of the representatives of employers and workers, to consider the question of interim relief at well as the final A Second Wage Board for the Cemen wage structure for the Industry. The Wage Industry was set up in September, 1964. Negotiating Committee met in Bombay on Unfortunately, its report was not unani 27th July, 1972 but unfortunately, the nego­ mo us. After discussions with the represen tiations did not succeed because of the tatives of employers and workers, Govern divergent stands taken by the employers and ment decided to accept the recommendations workers. The various workers' organisa­ subject to some modifications. It was alsi tions represented on the Negotiating decided that the recommendations of the Committee thereupon decided to go ahead, Wage Board* as accepted by Government, with the general strike in the industry with should remain in operation for a period of effect from 17th August, 1972. I, therefore, 5 years. As a result of the Second Wage requested the President, Cement Manufac­ Board's recommendations, the workers were turer’s Association and the President, to get a guaranteed increase ranging from Indian National Cement and Allied Workers Rs. 10/* to Rs. 32.50 per month for diffe­ Federation to meet me on the 16th August rent categories of workers. 1972 so that some way may be found out to settle the dispute. After a day-long dis- cussion and in Consultation with the Minis­ ; Though the present wage structure, based ter of Industrial Development, I proposed' on the recommendations of the Second that an interim relief of Rs. 20/- might be Wage Board is to be operative upto the paid to the workers from 1st July, 1972 and 22th February, i?73, the cement workers that. # fivfryear wage settlement may be started making demands from March, 1972 signed on the basis of a total wageof for a further wage revision and payment Rs. 230/- per month payable from the 1st of interim relief. The workers* demand February, 1973. I also proposed that was that their wage* bs raised to the : tarns . matter* like annual Increments, ;*te dif levei as that of the jteei wjrkerj who got neutralisation from 1st February, 1973 et«* *W Cem eitl''wirit*ri'' SfcAVAttA 30, ! « * (SAltA) r Utmm t far lnterlm KttttflCA) 706 could be discussed anj settled later. Despite ing hi the Food Corporation of India. The tkit th9 strike in the cement industry strike in Khetri mines lasted more than a cotmoifioad on 17th 1972. 1 hive, month. Throughout the country agitations however, not given u? my effort* to find a are taking place on the bonus issue. Mr. volution and have called tbe representatives Khadilkar has given a'l assurance that the of both employers and workers to meet me tointmu ti bonu* of 8.33 per cen t should be again on the 21st August, that is, today. paid to all the workers. If this is n^t I hope that a mutually acceptable solution agreed to by the e m l o y a r s there will be Wilt be found and that tha strike will be country wids agitaiion in the entire sub­ allied off soon. continent.

SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHAPATRA : Sir, the industrialists in the cement After the statement of the hon. Minister, industry have earned a lot, depriving the that be has called the union leaders today workers of their legitima te dues. The mini­ on the 21st of August, 1972, for talks. I mum Wage in the steel industry is Rs, 240. must consider myself to be really very for­ The Cement workers have demanded that tunate that what we discass today will cer­ their wages should be brought on par with tainty impress him to the extent that he will the steel workers. There is nothing wrong agree to the demands of the workers. in it. The steel prices were twice revised giving tbe industry a price rise of over Sir, out of 54 cement industries in our Rs 100 per tonne. Out of this Rs. 30 was country, workers in 52 industries are on meant for wage increase only. Now, here, strike. 11 is one of the basic industries in in the case of Cement industry, the Govern­ the country like steel. ment is prepared to givs to the Cement industry only Rs. 2 per tonne against the The production of cement every day in price increase of Rs. 4 per tonne, needed the count; y is 40,000 tonnes. The earning for paying the increased wage. If Rs. 240 is Rs. one crore per day. was considered for tbe steel workers, I do not understand why in the cemsnt industry With this strike of 5 dayp, you can well the workers should not get the minimum of imagine, we have lost Rs. 5 crores. Rs. 230.

Sir, it is a very serious situation. I call The cement Workers had deferred the tbe attention of the hon. Minister to tbe strike by one month on the reqeust of the fact that not one union alone has called a hon. Minister. When they could defer the strike. But there are as many as 7 large strike by one month on the request of the unions which are involved in this strike. hon. Minister, what stood in the way of All these 7 unions have given the call for a the hon. Minister in persuading them to •trike.. Even the CITU which is an organ of defer it by another one month so that he the CPM is one of the co-sponsors of the could discuss and settle the matter ? The strike. Thus, we cannot certainly say that hon. Minister is very optimistic. He says workers have gone on strike without consi­ in the last paragraph of his statement that : dering (be pros and cons. “I have, however, not given up my When all the unions are involved in this efforts to find a solution and have called manner, the Minister is expected. to probe representatives of both the employers intbthernatteranJsce as to why the wor­ and workers to meet me again an the kers went into the strike, particularly, at 21st. I hope that a mutually acceptable this juncture when the country is passing solution will be. found out/* through a transition. if he is so much optimistic, we offer our thanks to him. But why has he not been We Snd from the newspapers that there able to impress on the workers »o that the Is:*felcei*.am the ather ewry country could have been saved of at least Rs. 5 Motes till this moment ?

'JBMnltey ■ - i**he.-cMc The positiou ts very critical daw, workers’ strike. There is already a rumbl­ because the workers are demanding an 207 Cement Worker#* AUGUST 21, 1972 Demend far interim M e f (G<) m JShri Shyam Sunder Mohapatra] interim relief. Whether tha interim relief THRI S. M. BANERJBB (Kanpur) ; At should! be Ri. 70 or it should bs R< 20 i« the very outset, I should congratulate the * question which can he csnsijsrei bilite- 75,000 cement workers who have gone on rally. But the question definitely it very strike against the arrogant attitude of the important. My question to the hon. millownera who have earned fabulous profits Minister is this. May I know whether he during the last fifteen or twenty years. It will be in touch immediately with the union is really very heareaing that the hon. Labour leaders to settle the dispute to the satis­ Minister has taken pains to meet the union faction of both the parties, and whether he representatives in order to arrive at a will see to it that there is no victimisation negotiated settlement. But this is not the of the workers and that the workers will get first time that this kind of thing has happened. their wages during the strike period, which Those who are Comtrolling the cement is very important. industry are a Powerful bloc, and they have always linked up the price of cement with the increase in wages. This time also, before SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : As I have they agree to pay the interim relief, whether already stated in the concluding part of my it be Rs. 20 according to the hon. Minister statement, 1 had invited the representatives or a higer interim relief as dem anded by all of {he employers and the workers, and I the unions, they are trying to persuade or have met them since nine o’ clock in the rather pressurise the Government to increase morning, and the differences are considerably the price of cement. The hon. Minister narrowed down. I hope that we shall be has said that the linking of interim relief or able to reach a settlement by this evening. any wage increase with steel will result in But important coaiiderations are involved more inflation. Wage increase is not the in this strike. For, if every industry were whole cause of inflation. As the House to ask for a linkage with steel, it will be a and the country knows, Government are sort of wage inflation* which is not justified also responsible for this inflation because of in the present context of the situation. their deficit financing. Content industry is a village-based industry. That aspect also must be kept in mind. Keeping these things in mind, we are consi­ That has been agreed here. So the dering the interim and the final relief, and workers should not be held responsible for how to link it up with the index so that the inflation in the country because they are some sort of . . . aski ng for more wages. Every workr in every industry is asking for a wage increase SHRI 1NDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipote) : because this Government has miserably It is a village>based industry 7 failed to hold the price line and reduce the prices to a reasonable level. Even after ail SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : Almost the assurances given in this House 15 or all the cement factories are in the villages. 20 days ago, you will agree with me that This makes a lot of difference. the prices have not decreased in any commodity* The prices of all essential SHR! SHYAMNANOAN MISHRA commodities have gone up and the Govern­ (Begusarai): So are the steel factories in ment remains a silent spectator of its own the villages. sorrow and shame. SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : I must sa> that these three points are there, namely When recently the textile workers in what should be the interim relief, bow it Kanpur refused a one ruoee Increase, the should be linked up and to which index and employers ultimately agreed to give an what should be the rate of neutralisation, interim relief of Rs. 30 at the Instance of i hope that the difficulties will be overcome. the Chief Minister and bccause a strike took place on *he 27th of last month in which But one thing I am insisting, so far as 40,000 employees took part. In this case, the interim relief is concerned, is that the a peltry sum of Rs. 20 is being given to industry should find the interim relief from them. It it said here that this is a five- their own resources instead of taxing the year agreement and this Rs. 20 wilt be consumer* Waked up to Rs. 230 per month, la these *. 1 209 Cement W&rkeirs* SHAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Demand for Interim Relief (CJA) 110 five years, the cement manufacturers will So fa; as their demands are concernd, have earned crores of rupees hut the this is a matter which the Ministry of worker’s wage will remain at Rs. 230 for Industrial Development will have to consider five years. because we cannot on our own take any decision. Whatever offer is made is made I would like to know what is the after full consultation with the Ministry of demand of the workers now and what have Industrial Development Here also I am they demanded in today’s meeting. I« it a trying my best to narrow down the fact that they do not agree to Rs 20 and differences and see that some settlement is are not prepared to sign an agreement for reached. five years unless this is linked up with steel wages, not arising out of the Wage Board I would like to inform the House that recommendations but arising out of the one good thing has taken place. When we tripartite arrangement which my hon. friend, formed the National Council of Trade the Minister of Steel, arrived at by dis­ Unions, they had come to some agreement cussions across the table ? that even if there is a strike, essential services and critical sectors will be kept out of it, In case the employers do not agree to ! am glad to say that the JNTUC and the proposal* given by the hon Minister, A1TUC have informed their constituents in what further steps will be taken against the factories to keep essential services them’ The DIR and MIS\ and other running, and do not aliow certain critical obnoxious and pernicious pieces of legislation parts of the factories entirely to be closed. are being used against employees, but what That is a good development. {Interruption) will be done to the employers if they emplo­ yers if they do not agree ? If it is left to SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : What was the employees and employers, the employees the demind made by the employees ? Seven will be able to fight it out and extract representatives as* here Wnat was the Rs. 50 or Rs. 60 as interim relief, if police demand placed by them today, and in the are not sent in aid of the employees. case the employers do not agree, what will the Government do ? My question is whether the price increase already agreed to will be in the interest of SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : This is the consumer. It will be wrong to agree to just anticipating failure. As 1 said earlier, this increase in price what is Government's the demand and offer have narrowed down proposal after hearing the employees’ repre­ and if I say just now anything, that will sentatives at the meeting at 9 A M today ? give rise to a further debate. ( Interruption) Will Government assure us that the five-year agreement will not be forced upon them but MR SPEAKER : Mr. Banerjee has it should be for not more than two years repeated his question again : the question because prices are going up every day due is, what was their demand. to Government's miserable failure to hold the price line ? SHRI Rt K. RHAD1LKAR : Their demand was, to be very plain, rather fan* SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : As I tastic, because, they wanted linkage in overy have made it clear in my statement, the respect with steel, This in one thing. So question of the e**factory price is before the far as the interim relief is concerned, from Tariff Commission. So there is no Increase Rs. 30, they want Rs. 70 from the 1st of m the ex-factory price and it does not figure January, 197.1, Therefore, I used that word in theae negotiations. 'fantastic’. Now, they have come round to a reasonable frame of mind. Therefore, I So for as the five year period is con­ do not want to say anything at this cerned when wage is linked with the index, juncture. I think it is a reasonable proposition to keep peace in industry so that automatically S mi S. M. BANERJEE ; Don’t you when prices rise neutralisation takes place. think that by this time the profits of the So w*o 6y j|>** 9»d object to that. employers have also gone up? {Interruption) 2J1 Cement mrkert AUOUST 21, W 2 demand far interim relief 212

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Hetry Austin is the minimum wage today in the cement absent, Shri Raja fCulkarni. industry ? It is Rs. 189. There 2s a big gap. What they are asking is, 4 formerly, we were getting more than those in the steel SRRI RAJA KULKARNI (Bombay— industry, and at least bring us on parity North-East) : The nation wide strike in the with them ” What is the demand ? Now cement industry from tbe 17th August is they wanted an interim relief Even in the most justified and a proper action has been interim this gap was to be filled. They were taken by the workers as a last retort Now, prepared Are the employers agreeable to in the statement that was just now read out Rs 20 ? He has not said anything He and m the offer given by the Labour Mims* is urging on the trade union leaders to ter in his statement, he has not stated the accept Rs 20 They cannot accept Rs. 20. attitude of the employers My hon friends They had come rouud, as he has said, with in this House have stated that this strike has at least an interim relief of Rs 30 The been due to the negative anJ unhelpful whole gap has to be filled at least because attitude adopted by the cement employers in in the steel mdu»try when joint settlement the country Therefore, if there is any loss took place the interim relief was Rs 33 of production in cement in the country, the Cement workers are piepared to settle on responsibility is squarely on the shoulders an interm relief of Rs 30 instead of Rs. 33 of the cement employers and on the incapa­ which was given there In the final settle­ city of the Government’s machinery to ment the steel workers got Rs 67 increase settle the dispute immediately. They want between Rs 60 and 67 as the final thing 1 think that the demand is The workers have responded to the most reasonable The rate of dearness meetings that were called by the Labour allowance, neutralisation rate also n is on Minister Even today, this morning also, parity they are working with the steel ihey met the Minister. 1 am told he has workers The offei which has been made again called them this evening They are is less. The Labour Minuter should revise prepared to meet What is the demand ? I his proposals and bring rojnd the employers am surprised at tht Labour Minister’s state­ which will be in the interest of the nation ment that the demands were fantastic The instead of putting any blame on the trade demands were never fantastic I was alsj union leaders. surprised at the Labour Ministers'' charac­ terisation of the service o i it tion? m the SHRI R. K, KHADILKAR There is cement industry w h j i om>ared to ths no question of putting any blame or appor­ steel miustry Hs said that this being a tioning it. The contention of the hon vftlage-based industry, there has to bs a Member is right m this sense that if the big gap between the service conditions and cement manufactures had taken up the the emoluments in the cemsnt industry aid workers’ demand seriously they could have those in the steel industry. settled it very early because they placed the demand in last March and they revived it again. Naturally they expected that what­ I would like to inform ths House that ever the increase it must be borne by tbe prior to the wage increase In the steel indus­ consumer and Government should come to try* the minimum wage and the total emo­ their help by increasing the prices and give luments in the cemsnt industry were higher them a price*nse. Therefore they were all than those tn the steel industry. If the the time postponing the final conclusion. Government is now going to tell the cement worker* that “you were getting mare than We are clinching the issue, As I have the steel workers and you should now get said earlier, whatever the Government or much less/* what will happen ? What have the tariff board decides, I have nothing to the content workers demanded ? The cement do But my efforts will be that this burden workers have demanded parity In fact, the as far as possible should not be passed on cement workers are getting Rs. 60 to 70 to the consumer and if it is to be passed on, less than what the steel workers are getting. it must bs the minimum. Therefore I The minimum wage in the steel industry would assa* the R kiss anl the hon* was Rs. 240 at the index of 183. At this Ms nbar that I shall see that a just settle* moment the minimum wage m Hie steel msnt is, worked out, which will gnn ^ industry fy«tbout Ri* 259 or Rs, 260, What sort of (fttisfation tq tyq workers. 21$ Papers U U SRAVANA 3#, W 4 {SAXA) Papers Laid 214

12.141m* The situation in Shahdara is returning to normal. Government have decided to MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT institute a judical inquiry into all the inci­ dents other than the alleged murder itself. The House will appreciate that such an SHAHDARA INCIDENTS AND ALLEGED inquiry should not concern itself with the POLICE ATRROCITE6S invevttgations already in progress in accor­ dance with the law in regard to the alleged MR. SPEAKER : I shall take up the murder. Government expect that tbe adjournment motions, I have to ioform the investigation should be completed most House that I have received notice of seven expeditiously. adjournment motions regarding Shadara incidents, and I shall read them in ths order MR. SPEAKER : Those who are in of time in which they were received : from favour of leave being granted may eplease Shri S. M. Banerjee, Shri Dinen Bhatta- get up in their seats. charyya, Shri K Manoharan, Shri Oasaratha Deb, Shri Jaganatharao Joshi, Shn I am sorry there are 47 members only Jyotirmoy Bosu and Shri Samar Mukherjee. in favour. SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : If the count­ SHRI K. S. CHAVDA (Pa'an) : I ing had taken place at 12 O'clock, more have also given notice of an adjournment would have been there. For instance, Mr motion. Samar Guha is not here now.

MR. SPEAKER : It must have been AN HON. MEMBER : He has come. given late. We can add your name also if it is there. Understand that it came mu:h MR SPEAKER : Even then, it is only later than the time prescribed. Anyway 48. I am sorry. Leave is not granted. you can also speak later on. The first is Papers to be laid. from Shri S. M. Banerjee and it says : 12-37 hrs. “Unprecedented police atrocities result­ PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE ing in the killing of a Home Guard staff officer, police firing and lathi AUDITED ACCOUNTS OF COMMITTEE charge seriously injuring more than 300 FOR CONTROLLING AND SUPERVISING persons at Shahdara and Government's EXPERIMENTS ON ANIMALS, BOMBAY failure to check the same.” THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE I have given my consent to the moving MINISTERY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. of the adjournment motion. Shri S. M. SHER SINGH) : I beg to lay on the Banerjee may now ask for leave of the Table a copy of the Audited Accounts house. (Hindi and English versions) of the Com- nrttee for the purpose of Controlling and SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): Supervising Experiments on Animals, I beg leave of the House to move the ad­ Bombay, for the year 1970-71 together with journment motion. the Audit Report thereon, under sub-rule (4) of Rule 24 of the Committee for Controlling and Supervising Experiments on THB MINISTER OF STATE IN Animals (Administration) fRules, 1965. THB MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS [Placts to Librmry. See No. LT-3443/72.J (SHRI K. C. PANT): Sir, we object to this motion.- I regret to report the occurrence of these Unfortunate incidents ANNUAL REPORT OP TECHNICAL following the alleged murder wiToi'joint coMMtrrei -;>, ■ items of tbe Terms of Reference given to Jfl7 Interim Reports o f SRAVANA 30,1894 (SAKA) National Comm, on Agrt. (St.) 218 v them u it may dMta fib The Comstlssfon Summary of re-commendations made in submitted ill November, 1971, three Interim Interim Reports Reports on tbe following subjects : — The National Commission of Agricul­ ture has submitted to Government of India 1. Multiplication and Distribution of four Interim Reports today dealing with : Quality Seeds pertaining to High- Yielding verities of Hybrids of Cereals. 1. Production Foresti 7 ~Man-made Forests ; 2. Fertiliser Distribution. 2. House sites for Landless Agricul­ tural Labourers; 3. Some Aspects of Agricultural Research, Extension and Training. 3. Soil Survey and Soil Map of India ; and The Commission submitted a further set of three Interim Reports in’January, 1972 4. Potato Seed. viz : Interim Report on Production Forestry— 1. Credit Services for Smll and Mirgi* Man-made Forests nal Farmers and Agricultural Labourers. In its Interim Report on Production Forestry-Mad-made Forests, the Commission 2. Milk Production through Snili and has noted that the present yield from Marginal Farmers and Agricultural forests is dismally low and has advocated Universities. a rational development and utilisation of forestry resources in the country. It has 3. Establishment of Agro-msterologtcal strongly recommended a change-over from Divisions in Agricultural Umver- the present conservation-oriented forestry to sities. a more dynamic programme of production forestry with a view to meeting the require­ Copies of these Reports have already been ments of wood and wood-based industries. placed in the Library of Parliament, Considering the advantages of aggressive man-made forestry programme, the future The Commission has presented today to production programme should concentrate the Government of India the following four on clear felling of valuable mixed forests, Reports : mixed quality forests and inaccessible hard­ wood forests and planting this area with 1. Production Forestry—Mai made suitable hardwood and fastgrowing species Forests. yielding higher return per unit area. The reselling produce from the dear felling 2. House Sites for Landless Agri­ areas is to be utilised in wood-based indus­ cultural Labourers. tries by locating additional units wherever necessary. 3. Soil Survey and Soil Map of India. 4. rotate Seeds. A programme of clearfeeling and plant­ ing of about one lakh hectares annually in These Reports have been placed in the the next 7 years of the current decade in Library of Parliamsot. A Lunauary of the the inaccessible hardwood forests and mixed important recoraJ&sndatioas raide in these forests ot valuable and low quality as well Interim Report* in placed on the Table of as intensification in the coniferous forests the Sabha. has been recommended to meet tbe future requirements. In the next decade, tbe 1 have directed my Daptrtment to annual felling area will be enhanced to ea*i»ioe recommendations quickly beforei enable exports on a moderate scale. TH Government tabes f*rtber action ta tbe programme of dearfeHing and plantation wiH requite an investment of Re, 24} crorea Jt9 Reports of AUGUST it, t m '.$Mm {Shri F. A. Ahmed] during the years 1974-80 of which the Corporations are to be set up in each Sta* investment during tbe Fifth Plan is estima- to handle the ptogramm^ These Corpora­ ted at Rs. 173 crores. During tbe next tions will borrow money on the basis of decade an investment of Rs. 306 crores has equity capital of land and standing timber. $ieen recommended. For this, the State Government wHl transfer the areas under the programme to the The Commission has pointed out that Corporations and take only the average &e production forestry and the industries revenue of the last three years from these programmes suggested in the Report are areas and leave the rest of the income from self-generating and will pay back adequa­ clearfelling to support the programme. tely. Illustrative models showing the These Corporations may either take up the economics of the production forestry have supporting paper and pulp industries directly been worked out as guidelines for the or form subsidiaries to handle the industries formulation of the programmes by the programme. States. In order that the work can be taken up While emphasising commercialisation of immediately, each State which takes up the the production forestry, the Commission has programme should establish a Planning and emphasised the need for a proper linkage Project Analysis and Estimation Cell which between forestry production and utilisation. will be (he forernnner of the Corporation, To this end, it has recommended the esta­ j. The Report has also recommended the blishment of wood based industries. In the strengthening of the Utilisation Cell in the current decade, an investment of Rs. 815 Chief Conservator’s Office and establish­ crores io industries has been suggested. Of ment of an Industrial Ceil for the industries this, the investment in paper and pulp programme. A Planning Cell has also been industry will be Rs. 611 crores. In the suggested in the Union Ministry of Agri­ next decade, an investment of Rs. 1,187 culture to help the States in formulating crores will be needed in the industries of and implementing the production forestry which paper and pulp account for Rs. 979 programmes. crores. In view of the sluggish performance by the private sector in the matter of In dealing with the pricing policy, the Investment, the Commission has recommen­ Commission has emphasised that there has ded that the States may have io invest to be an incentive for the change over from between Rs. 160 to 340 crores in paper and the low-cost low-yield forestry to commer­ pulp industries in the public sector during cial high-investmcnt economic forestry. The Fifth Plan after allowing for investments by price for the produce has to be so fixed as existing public sector enterprises. to pay for the cost of clearfelling and plan­ tation and leave a profit. A rational pricing The Commission has also strongly ad­ policy for bamboo and pulp wood has also vocated that the programme be taken up been recommended. from the beginning of 1974 for clearfelling, plantation and maintenance. In view of The programme suggested is expected to the magnitude of the investment involved provide annual employment of 50 million in the entire programme and paucity of man-days (or 250,000 man-years) mainly in Plan resources, the future production the rural sector of the hilly arid backward forestey programme is recommended to be regions where most of the unexploited farests financed from institutional sources. The are located. There will be additional Agricultural Refinance Corporation has employment in industries. The massive been suggested as the agency to directly labour requirement wifi mean organising finance the production forestry programme and training a labour force of considerable by changing iu Statutes suitably. In case magnitude for Which action has to be takift this is not possible, a Central Forest Credit by the Stfetev; Corporation M.. to be organised. The industries programme has to be . financed intcrim Report Houestites far Laadleas from industrial lending agencies such as Agricaltur^ Labourers IFC, ICICI order to avail in its Interim Report Hons© sum ^tbcinitituttoftal flnaocing, Statc FoPwt for Uiadlen Agricultural Ubourei% W 221 Interim Reports o f SRAVANA 30, 18*4 (SAKA) National Commn. an Agrt. (at.) 222

Commission has advocated a production mated at about Rs. 22.5 crores for Sche­ programme for them simultaneously with duled Caste and Scheduled Tribe families the measure! for providing them with and Rs. 15 crores for other sections of the security of shelter. This will require a landless annually to meet the cost of acqui­ more comprehensive approach to the solu- sition of land development of house sites. tioo of the problems of the landless than morely providing them with house sites. The Commission has also stressed the The Commission has recommended various desirability of having a separate Rural subiidiary occupations for the landless Housing Board tn each State to supervise labourers and artisans which will bring them the implementation of the programme. It into the main-stream of the productive has advocated suitable assistance for the process, MiJk production, poultry keeping construction of house by the landless agri­ vegetable gardening are some activities cultural labour on the sites allotted to which can be undertaken on limited amounts them. of land and which will at the same time give reasonable subsidiary income to the families. This approach will give better Interim Report on soil survey and employment and add to pioductton. toil map of India In its Interim Report on Soil Survey The permanent right to a small piece of and Soil Map of India, the Commission has land where the agricultural labourer can recommended that expeditious measures build a shelter and follow an enterprise will should be taken to prepare tne soil map of also have an immediate effect on his social India in the scale of 1 81 million within a status and give his greater stability in life. reasonably short period* say, 10 years, foe This will also enable him to avail of assis­ which the requisite number or soil survey tance under various piogramme* like MFAL. parties should be organised in accordance Keeping this m view, the Commission has with ihe specific requirements of the States recommended modifications in the scheme and the Centre. The Comn ission considers of (he Ministry of Works and Housing for that ail development programmes in agri­ the provision of house sites. It has tecono* culture should be dependent on a scientific mended that where land is available and fci ow ledge of the basic soil resource. A study space can be piovided for the cattle-shed of the present status of ihe soil survey in or poultry or piggary or village industry the country has revealed that there are con­ along with the sue ior a house, an area siderable gaps m the soil survey, soil map between 250 sq yards and 300 sq. yards and tonelati' n and classification of the may be provided. Where adequate land is differentiated soils There is a great necessity available and water ean be provided for for r reparation of scientific inventory of the vegetable growing, an area of 500 sq. yards soil resouices of ihe country to form a has been recommended. basis for crop planning, intensive agiiculture and a number of non-farm activities. The house sites, the housing and tbe subsidiary occupation programmes have to be planned and coordinated affectively for The Commission has felt that for acce­ concerted development The entire pro* lerating ihe soil survey work, aerial photo* gramme for providing house sites should be graphs should be made available at least for time bound and completed in a phased and the non-sensitive areas. It has also been planned manner. The Commission has recommended that for the purpose of recommended that in the next 10 years a carrying out soil survey, mapping, correla­ programme for 3 million landless Sjhedjled tion, classification and interpretation on a Caste and Scheduled Tribes families and standard pattern, necessary training facilities another 2 millioA landless agricultural labour already available with the AU India Soil families belonging to other sections should and Land Use Survey Organisation should be taken up for implementation Annually, be strengthened. 3 lakh landless Scheduled Castes and Sche­ duled Tribe families and 2 lakh landless For the purpose of unification of soil families of other categories w*l( thus be survey work throughout the country, a close covered. For this, investment has b«a esti­ liaison between the Central and the State 223 Interim Reports of Natlarwl AUGUST 21, 1972 JB.A C. Report 224 C&mm. on AgrL (St.) tShri F. A. Abmedl imports should be made under conditions of Soil Survey Organisation is imperative. For rigid quarantine procedures. It bat tbit tbe Commission h u recommended that suggested that a rigorous ban on a uniform Coordination Committees should be activisad basis should be imposed on the movement or set up at the Stfcte and national levels. of seed potato within the country from State Coordination Committees should uti­ such areas which have recognisedfy develop­ lise tbe existing date on soil survey for land ed diseases and pests and whose spread can use and crop planning after due interpreta­ pose a threat to the crop in other parts of tion. the country.

Intrim Report on Potate Seed The Commission has also recommended the creation of Potato Seed Development In Its Interim Report on Potato Seed, Councils in the States and at the Centte in the Commission has given its recommenda­ order to review and make recommendations tions fixing the responsibilities for the on matteis pertaining to production, distri­ multiplication of potato seed at various bution, transport, storage, marketing, qua­ stages. The overall all-India yield of potato lity control, publicity and incentive aspects is only 83 quintals per hectare at present of the potato seed development programmes. but there are possibilities of doubling the same. One single factor that will contri­ bute materially to bring about this change 12 43 hrs. is the use of high quality seed. The Natio­ BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE nal Commission on Agriculture has, there­ FIFTfcEN REPORT fore, given priority to the question as to how best the area under potato can be saturated THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE with good seed material. DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI KEDAR NATH The Commission has suggested stream* SINGH): On behalf of Shri Raj Bahadur, lining of arrangements for multiplication, 1 beg to move : storage and distribution. The Central “That this House do agree with the Potato Research Institute should be respon­ Fifteent Reporth of the Business Advisory sible for the production of breeder’s seed Committee presented to the House on and the National Seeds Corporation and the 18th August, 1972.” other well developed agencies for the pro- duction, storage and distribution of seed SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU (Diamond material at foundation stage I. The res­ Harbour) : May I submit. . . ponsibility of organising production at foundation stage I! has been sought to be MR. SPEAKER : I have mentioned placed on the Department of Agriculture/ the other day that points about the business Horticulture in the State. The same Agency of the House should be raised only when will also be responsible for organisation the Minister makes the statement about and coordination of seed multiplication, Government business for following week. storage and distribution at the certified stage When the report of the BAC is brought in each State. The existing lacunae in forward for adoption d o such points should storage and transport are also sought to be be raised. removed through suitable measures. It has also been recommended that potato should SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: This be brought under the Seed Law and seed point came to my notice afterwards. distribution should be organised in every Stale to ensure the supply of quality seed. MR. SPEAKER : He may raise it later. Now the question is ; In order to prevent the introduction of "That this House do agree with the new diseases and pests through continued Fifteenth Report of the Business Advi­ import of seed material, the Commission has sory Committee presented to the House suggested complete banning of imports of on the 18th August, 1972.*' foreign seed potato except for the material The motion woe adopted 1 needed for new introductions where the 22$ SRAVANA I*?* dSAKA) Dtntists (Amdt.) Bill 226

12.44 hr*. MR. SPEAKER ; The question is :

ANTIQUITIES AND ART TREA- • “That leave be granted to introduce a SURES BILL* Bill further to amend certain enactments consequent on derecognition of Rulers THE MINISTER QF EDUCATION. of Indian Stales and abolition of privy SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE purses, so as to abolish the privileges (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) t I beg to of Rulers and to make Certain transi­ move for leave to introduce a BUI to regu­ tional provisions to enable the said late the export trade in antiquities and art Rulers to adjust progressively to the treasure*, to provide for the prevention of changed circumstances.*' smuggling of, and fraudulent dealings in, antiquities, to provide for the compulsory The motion *as adopted acquisition of antiquities and art treasures for preservation in public places and to SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : I introduce provide for certain o»her matters connected the BUI. therewith or incidental or ancillary thereto.

MR. SPEAKER : The question is : 12. 4* hr*. “That leave be granted to introduce a Bill to regulate the export trade in anti­ MINES AND M INERALS (REGULA- quities and art treasures, to provide for TION AND DEVELOPMENT) the prevention of smuggling of, and a m e n d m e n t b i l l * fraudulent dealings in, antiquities, to provide for the compulsory acquisition THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND of antiquities and art treasures for pre­ MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- servation in public places and to provide MANGALAM) : 1 beg to move for leave for certain other matters connected to introduce a Bill further to amend the therewith or incidental or ancillary Mines and Mineials (Regulation and thereto.’* Development) Act, 1957. Tht motion was adopted MR. SPEAKER : The question is : “That leave be granted to introduce a PROF. S. NURAL HASAN : I intro­ Bill further to amend the Mines and duce the Bill. Minerals (Regulation and Development) Act, 1957.

12.45 tars. The motion was adopted.

RULERS OF INDIAN SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- STATES (ABOLITION OF LAM : I introduce the Bill. PRIVILEGES) BILL* THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 12.47 hrs. CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. COKHALE) : 1 beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill DENTISTS (AMENDMENT) BILL— Contd. further to amend oertain enactments conse­ quent on derecognition of Rulers of Indian States and abolition of privy purses, so as MR. SPEAKER: We will now take to abolish tbe privileges of Rulers and to up further c msideration of the Dentists make certain transitional provisions to enable (Amendment) Bill. Dr. Laximinarain tbe said Rulers to adjust progressively to Pan

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MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Somasundaram. It is true that the uumber of dentists in He is not here, Mr. Banerjee. the country is not equal to what is necessary for catering proper dental services to the SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : 1 people as a whole. But then there is rise to support this Bill with one or two another problem, slightly disturbing problem, requests. unemployment amongst the dentists, This Ministry has looked into the problem and a plan was forwarded to the Planning According to this particular Bill, the Commission in respect of this matter. It definition of 'dental qualification* means i

We have already said that the main “That the Bill further to amend the purpose of the Bill, rather one of the main Dentists Act, 1948, as passed by Rajya purposes of the Bill, is to see that some Sabha, be taken into consideration.** repatriates from Burma, Ceylon and Bangla Desh who have come over to this country The motion was adopted • but who do not satisfy tbe existing qualifi­ cations are taken care of and for them a MR. SPEAKBR : There are no amend­ apecial provision Is being made. We have ments to clauses 2 to 4. 1 will put them to two categories of qualifications—those who the vote of the House. have the qualifications obtained from foreign countries and those who have acquit ed The question is ; their qualifications in our own country. But these unfortunate repatriates have not got any of these qualifications, but they have 'That clauses 2 to 4 stand part of the long experience to their credit. So, on a Bill". careful consideration, It has been found that if th;y are allowed to practise here, it will The motion was adopted. not pose, as it has been unjustifiably indi­ cated by some hon. Members, a sort of Clauses 2 to 4 were added to the BUI. health or dental hazard to the possible patients. When we try to economically Clmnse 5 (Amendment of Section S) rehabilitate these people, we certainly fa ve the interests of the possible patients also in DR. LAXMINARA1N PANDEYA : I view, So, it Is not a problem. It will not beg to move ; create any difficulty. Page 2, line 10,— Because of these considerations, 1 do for “four” substitute “six” (4) not think there Is any necessity to refer this Bill to a Joint Select Committee. Page 2, line 11,*—* omit “by** (5) MR. SPEAKER : Now, tbe question is. mm Page 2, line 12,— "That the Bill further to amend the after “(a)** insert— Dentists Act, 1948. be referred to a Select Committee consisting of 8 mem­ “four members by** (6) bers, namely:— Page 2* line 17, — sifter (1) Shri Bhagirath Bhanwar. *'(bT **tm member* h f* (7) ' (2) Shri Kbemehandbha* Chavda. i (3) Shri M* C. Daga, MR. SraAKERi i will m » f«4 (4) Shri XL M. “Madhuker”. ■acnduwH 4 w 7 of Dr. IcU aM ^g 23S fin u h / k SRAVANA » , 1894 (SAKA) (Proetelhn) Bill 234

Pandeya to the vote of the House. From the heights of the Himalayas and the Swamps of the Sunderbans to the deserts The amendments were pm and negatived. of Kutch and the highlands of Kerala, variations in climate and in topography have MR. SPEAKER: Now. the question nurtured a multitude of animal forms, many i»: of which are found nowhere else in tbe world. ♦‘That clause 5 stand part of the Bill/' The motion woe adopted. The rapid decimation of our once- tecming wild-life has been a matter of grave Clause 5 was ndded ta the Bill. concern to the world at large and to India in particular. Clause 6 to 28 were addled to the BUI. Grand animals like the tiger and the Clause /, the Enacting Formula and the Kashmir stag are treasures; these natural Title were added to the Bill. assets once destroyed can never be recrea­ 13 hrs. ted.

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : As early as in 1952, the National Forest Sir, I beg to move : Policy of India emphasised the need for affording protection to the wild-life and particularly to the rarer species. It reco- ‘•That the Bill be passed.” meneded the setting up of sanctuaries and MR. SPEAKER : The question is : national parks and the enactment of speciat laws. The Indian Board for Wild Life “That the Bill be passed.” constituted by the Government of India in the same year, has also opined that adequate The motion was adopted. legislation should be enacted by the Central Government and the States, and that there should be a uniform set of rules and regu­ lations in contiguous States for tbe effective 13.01 hrs- protection of wildlife. WILD LIFE (PROTECTION) BILL Sir, the Expert Committee appointed by THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Indian Board for Wild-life has also MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. stressed the same aspects and has emphasised SHER SINGH): Mr. Speaker, Sir, 1 beg the need for protection of the various threa­ to move* : tened species.

“That the Bill to provide for the pro* As you are aware. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the tection of wild animals and birds and protection ef animals and birds features in for matters connected therewith or anci­ the State List of the Seventh Schedule of llary or incidental thereto, be taken into our Constitution. As sucH, powers in this consideration.” regard vest with the State Governments alone. Sir, this Bill seeks to safeguard one of the grandest heritages of our country. Wild* During the formative and tumultous life also forms an Integral part of our cul­ years which followed our independence. tural inheritance* It is mentioned in the State Governments have naturally been pre­ earliest scriptures and manifests itself in the occupied with the problems of providing tbe art forms of India throughout the centuries, basic needs for the masses. Large number of from the Indus Valley Civilization to Barbu t crop protection weapons were given in the and Sanchi, Mahabaiipurein sod Amravtti, intete# of agriculture, tod wild*ltfe could Mughal and Rajput paintings. Emperor not hi given the priority that it deserved;. Atofetaft edfcts epeak «f«meutry given to The stage, however, has now been reached animate creatures. when, If the State* and the Central Govern* - ...... ■ * ...... •Moved with the recommendation of the President. 235 Wild Life AUGUST 21, 1972 (Protection) 236 {Prof. Sher Stash] fronts, in clow barmpny, not take up the birds have bee# included in different Sch** cate of wild'lifc preservation, many a spe­ dules and different punishments are prescrib­ cies of birds and animals would go the ed for violations of rules in respect of these same way of extinction as have the Cheetah different categories. The status of wild life and the Pink-headed Duck. Sp, Sir, if this cannot be static. Therefore, if at a future country is not to be donqded of its wild-life date, it is felt that any particular animal or and if the future generations are to enjoy bird has become rarer than before, or con* the aesthetic pleasures of seeing some of versely, has increased sufficiently in number nature's noblest creatures in their wild whereby controlled exploitation of it could environment, action needs to be taken here be permissible they can be moved from one and no v. Schedule to another. Jf, however, it is felt that any particular animal has reached a critical stage of survival, the Central Govern­ The Union Government have already ment will oc empowered to include any such taken action in regard to the banning or animal in Schedule I and thereby give it controlling the export of a number of spe­ copmlete protection throughout tbe country. cies of animals and birds and the products Sta*e Government also would be empowered derived from them. However, this alone is to add any animal to Schedule I in respect not sufficient to preserve wild-life unless of their own area of jurisdiction. The this is supported by adequate controls on violation pertaining to any such animal or exploitation of wild life throughout the bird will be treated as a very serious offence country, A decision was, therefore, taken and deterrent punishment has been pro­ by the Union Cabinet that the Central vided. Government should enact a uniform legisla­ tion for the preservation of wild life. Being a state subject, however, such legislation In short, thn Bill greatly strengthens could only be undertaken under tbe provi­ the scope and powers of the State Govern­ sions of article 252 of the Constitution, ments m regard to wild life preservation. whereby the legislature* of at least two The Central Government will appoint offi­ States should pass resolutions empowering cers who will render them all possible assis­ Parliament to pass necessary legislation on tance. the subject. 1 am happy to say that the State Governments iealising the importance and the urgency of the mailer have been I am sure this House will welcome this very prompt in adopting such resolutions in Bill and the joint efforts being made by the iheir respective State Assemblies. Eleven Government of India and the various State States have so far adopted resolutions and Governments to save the wild life of India. it is hoped that others will follow suit. 1 would like to conclude with the remark that tbe Prime Minister has made while addressing the National Committee on En­ Wild life is a renewable natural resource. vironmental Planning, namely :— Apart from its aesthetic value, the economic and scientific aspects of wtid life cannot be lost sight of. Its potential as a tourist “Man's wild spirit has been creator and attraction have not yet been exploited to destroyer. Now, with the possibility of the full, and as a source of protein and as destruction so starkly real, we must con­ an object of commerce it has a considera­ centrate on the arts of preservation.** ble role to play fn the economy of the country. But like all resources, wild life With these words, 1 move this Bill lor consi­ has to be husband and scientifically managed deration. if it it to yield sustained and progressive returns. In India, however, a very large number of species of animals have reached MR. SPEAKER : Motion moved : a stage of depiction and their exploitation cannot be considered for the present "That the Bill to jrcovide for the pro­ There are certain other species whose ex­ tection of wild animals and birds #?d ploitation for sport or trade can be permit­ for metiers connected therewith or ted in a strictly restricted manner. Keepmg ancillary or incident*! thereto, fct In view these circumstances, animals and taken nta consideration." 237 Wild Lift SRAVANA 30, IS94 (SAKA) (Protection) Bill 231

ft the hon. Minister intending to refer this I can understand the Government being Bill lo * Select Committee ? interested io protecting wild life, but in the Bill they have shown a different attitude. In this Bill, they provide that if an animal PROF. SHER SINGH : No, Sir, is killed by a person tn his defence, even the meat derived from that should become government property. If two animals quarrel MR. SPEAKER : A Member from and one is killed in the fight, and if the their own party has tabled a motion to that dead is found in the jungle, why should the effect. meal become the property of Government ? Is it in the interest of protecting wild life THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ or are Government doing something more 1 TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND This is objectionable. If this clause is TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : retained in the Bill, it will become oppres­ We are not accepting it. sive for the people living in forest areas, because if an animal or bird is killed and if it is not deposited with Government♦ imme­ MR. SPEAKER : Is Shri Shivnath diately the forest officers start exacting moving hi> motion ? money or creating trouble for these poor people. That should not be.

SHRI SHIVNATH SINGH (Jhun- Then the Bill says in one clause that Jhunu) : 1 am not moving it. the right of any person in or over the land comprised within the limit of a sanctuary shall not include the right of jhoom cultiva­ SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura tion over land which has been traditionally East): I hape that the down-trodden men used for the purpose of jhoom cultivation. and women of our country who are leading The clause says thar if any area is to be their lives on almost empty bellies and who declared a sanctuary, then the properties in for demanding food and work for their that particular area should be assessed aad subsistence have been subjected to police some sort of compensation should be given atrocities or have been sought to be silenced to t lese people. But you know in forest by lathis, bullets and tear-gas during these area*, particularly in our State, no title was 25 years of Congress rule will hot envy the given to the people over the land which wild animals and birds which are going to has been utilised by them for jhum cultiva­ be provided with safe and undisturbed life tion the tiibal people g*ve an annual lump* which is being denied to the overwhelming sum on the basis of the family, say, .5 majority of human beings living in this or .01 per family and so on. Thus they country. Though the love and affections are enjoying that particular area for jhoom toward* wild animal* and birds and a sense cultivation. When you declare that parti­ of urgency on the part of the Congress cular area a sanctuary, the officer will be rulers in protecting wild life are well expres­ going there and making an assessment on sed in the Bill...... the basis of the title to the land. Since these people possess no title, they will not be entitled to get any compensation. That MIL SPEAKER : la the hon. Mem* smeans, at one stroke, you are depriving her reading out hif fpeeph ? He is an old these people of the right of jhoom cultiva­ Member, Let him not read out his speech. tion in that area which they have been traditionally enjoying; at the same time, you will not provide any compensation for them SjHR 1 DASARATHA DEB : X. shall or any alternative profession either. This be speaking extempore also. Similar love ia a serious defect In the Bill. §o these and af&ction towards the iilrfed, iB-clad people should b* given compensation irres­ masses and a sens? of urgency to protect pective of whether they have got title over the#* Teona hunger and starvation and ftpm tijie land or not because they have been expMtajtkw by the monopolist* and land* enjoying this land traditionally and have tocda, speculators and Wackmarketeera, been playing a lump sum annually which in wqreift.flad contractors are yet to be lean. our term is called gharchukti. m WH4 Life AUGUST 21, 1972 {Protection) Bill W [SMrJ Zhuaratha Deb] Then there it another provision which clause 30 shall render such a penon i«y« that in any sanctuary or forest area liable to arty punishment if he sets fire they shall be responsible to prevent other for the purpose of jhooming for the people from killing the wild animals and. neighbouring area and if such Are causes birds. If they canot prevent other people, the burning of a sanctuary due to the then they will be liable to punishment. spreading of the fire of the burning There is one clause here at page 11; it *s jhoom.” dause 27(2). There, you will see some res­ ponsibility w being given to the people who are residing hi the sanctuary area. I think The clause says if anybody sets fire in the this obligatory clause should not be there. sanctuary, he will liable to punishment. But It is the duty of the officers of the staff who the sanctuary may be such that in the are working in those areas to prevent others neighbouring forest the tribal people may from killing these wild animals and birds. be residing and they are practising jhoora You can take the assistance of the people. cultivation there and without bjrnmg that You can make them conscious of these jungle thsy cannot cultivate jhoommg. In things, and ask them to prevent such killings, jboom cultivation, the fire may spread out. but, at the same time, you cannot maice it obligatory on them to prevent others from MR SPEAKER . The time is short. killing these animals If you keep this pro­ So, we should confine ourselves to the main vision, then, if somewhere an animal »s features of ihe BUI. killed, the ordinary innocent villagers resid­ ing in that forest or sanctuary area w»l» be subject to so much of oppression and all SHR I DASARATHA DEB : Yes, Sir. th o s e officers who visit the tribal villages I am only miking certron important points. would say, “You did not report this thing If these people are liable to be punched, is lying there.*! And he would say, *‘1 then it it very dangerous* You may ask would go and institute a case agmst you/' those people setting fire for jhoom cultiya- In that way, they will be trying to get tion to make some report to the office con* money; bribery will take place. Therefore, earned to that effect, but it may happen tn tbtft obligatory clause roust not be there. the jangle and it may cause some fire. For You can make the people animal-conscious, that those people should not be punished. but you cannot punish them for other’s They are not setting fire m that particular faults* Therefore, this clause 27 (2) must area, but outside, in the area where they be omitted from the Bill. are taking up jhoom cultivation.

Secondly, I want to suggest another thins- I bad no *ime and I could not send Another point I want to make it with amendments earlier. Only this morning regard to clause 55, at page 23. Here, the t have sent these amendments If you Bill says that if any person is considered to allow me, I can read out. have committed a certain offence against the provisions of this Bill, he will be liable to be punished, punished by whom? Either by MR. SPEAKER : If it is time, then the Chief Warden or by the Chief Secretary. it Is all right but otherwise, it maybe That it the provision That is the provision referred to tn your speech. in this Bill and the judgment of those persons is final. The Courts cannot enter­ tain any appeal from these persons who bad been punished It Is dangerous. You are SHRt DASMUTHA DEB : Yes, Sir. taking away the rights of * citizen to go to In clause SO, at page 12 or the Bill, there the court. The chief Warden 6r chief should be a proviso at the end of the clause, eecce* tary could not be cons ideted to be the begt giving protecton to the jhodm cultivators. judge; tHey ere part and parcel of the eaten* I suggest that th* following proviso miy be tit*, if their judgment it to be made Anal added: and the etctaen I* to be deprived sf his right to approach the court* It i« dangerou* end “Provided that nothing contained in therefore this claim must be omitted. 34t WtUlAft SRAVAMA 36, 18W OSAKA) (Protect!#,) Bill 2*1

fa clause $J you are providing for com­ "ttafeydar”. Then, in page 22, line If, panies. A company is given licence to insert “100” lor “1000”* operate to a sanctuary area to collect skins ► or other articles from the animals. If they commit some offences against this Bdl, the With these words, ( conclude. company will not be liable for punishment because they will say that it is not within the knowledge of the company and there is «?*>*?: 37° a provision that if any offence is committed &T?*r $ $fTnr* are jsrr without the knowledge of the company will not be liable for punishment. There is a i repressive measure against the ordinary people who live tn the forests but you are *rn. 1? (^rcifcr) : *sr

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta* The punishment provided 14 a fine rang­ North East) : The House n superior to the ing from 2,000 to Rs. 5,000 or imprison­ Business Advisory Committee. It can ment. There is a provision in the Bill that extend the time. people who possess articles mentioned therein should deposit them or return them to the Government immediately after the MR. SPEAKER : But we have decided that the business as set out on the agenda commencement of the Act. People might be possessing such articles for 10 years or 20 will be finished on that day. If you are prepared to sit for a longer time, it is a years or even 100 years. They should not different matter. be asked to deposit thott old thing*. The provision should be that if any article is possessed after the commencement of this SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : This is Act that should be deposited. very peculiar. It is a very iong Bill; it is not being sent to a Select Committee. There is no circulation bem* accepted by Govern- I shall finish tn two minutes by referring ment. The House must have some authority to my amendments. On page 2, line 40, I somewhere. want to insert six months for two years. On pago 2, line 50, 1 want to insert Rs. 100 for Rs. 2,000. Rs. 2,000 is too much of * punishment. Again on page 2, line 6, I want to insert one year for six years. Six f«*r »rtn *ri $ ?ft *$ f w n wrf|t? «ft* *r*rc *fe*rr m # i TO first 'ft 9 «wfa «rorc $ i vt # afrt ^rJr ^ fe v> j t t t >rt ftm * in j aw *1% wr t p g ftrtr Jtf war aV *n{f ift «w r «»r sr^t ft'ft wg *tPrrr ( t

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art anfe * i n if 0eir-w* *r 3 %r 4 The Minister of Tourism is there. Some­ 'wfe «?Pwr ft** xmi *wr wrf^ i times, panicky statements appear in the press in regard to our wild life having fw rif* 95 w n N e .t, nearly vanished. But we are not taken into confidence officially even wden a Bill of ^ v x *fk t* % vt-anv^rr % *« this sort is placed before us. I feel, by and large, the bias of this Bill is correct. The q fw r ^ *?t% w\ wk «n«T fcn i Government is going to take charge at least by regulatory measures in regard to the damage that is being done to wild life in our SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta- country. To that extent, it is a good thing. North-East) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it But Government could very well have pro- * if * pity that even when Govern meat trie# ceeded in a very different manner in order to do a good thing—and this Bill, by and to take the House into confidence about !a<$e, is not bad—it does it gracelessly, what ought to be done. ineffectively and provocatively and, that is why, unfortunately, I am unhappy that Government proceeds with this legislation My hon. friend, Mr. Deb supported the in the manner that we have witnessed Bill substantially. He rasied a very impor­ today. tant point in regard to the position of trijbals. What is our conception of wild life ? 1 should think that wild life includes Even the Minister, when he made a not only the denizens of forest who belong speech, hardly made an effort to explain to the animal species or the bird species but tbeprovisioQS of the Bill which runs to but also the human species. Wild life pro- nearly 40 pages. He gave us no informa­ tection must mean, at the same time, pro­ tion worthwhile in regard to the present tection of the tribal population who live day conditions of wild life in our country. inside those forest regions and contiguous He made a reference to Ashokn’s edicts. I areas. Wild life protection should also do not know whether he made a reference mean, in my estimation, protection of alio to Kautilya’s Arthoshmtra, Abhayaranya Ranthambore ...... ana that sort of thing. But he did not take the House into confidence in regard to what it exactly happening to our wild life and MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What about wliat is being sought to be done by this denizens of the city ? (Interruption) piece of legislation. He took it for granted that this Bit! would be passed by the H^use. Evan the Speaker said that there SHRI H. N. MUKHERJEE : Actually st Very little time to discuss it. the wild animals* if they could speak up, would speak of denizens of city in a manner which would not be relished by many of us. 'Ey* Bill does not go to a Select Com- Let us tafep the words as they are convey mittfe< .? dp not see why a measure which tionally lised. Wild life protection, surely,, obviously, affects the living conditions of should inw>ly protection o f the tribfipopula- hundi^sof thousands of our people who tfon, surely should imply protection q( such f ara te the l o ^ t rung of the economic historic relics asRanthambore fort which %[ ladder is not discussed in a Select Com* veisy near ■; ■ Sawai' - Madhopur /. sanctuary. House con. They. ata ■ doing nothing ^liat: i&jit b**t.. *0^ ;

V";'‘:J.4¥ hot know what steps; ;■ the CJbvertt- . wild life.;;; But ;what .ifee yOovwn^nt. SisbS aretaklng in Order to' tike cnarge Of is to merely kend us a 42-page fcill for discu# M e tis''tra d e of taxi-dermy and that sort tion and tbe Government goes to the Busi­ of thing. There are places in Calcutta, ness Advisory Committee and says, 'We ntar the New Markct in Calcutta, thereis would like to have it pasted ii* this session.* a miniature zoo sort of place where animals The Government prevents a member of its and birds are kept in impossible conditions own Party from even moving a motion for and they are sold oat to foreigners. 'You reference to a Select Committee so that can get anything. Even a tiger cub is avai­ some sort of discussion can take place. The lable at a few hours* notice if yoa want to Government says, 'Take it or leave it*. have it. What is the Government going to This it very wrong. It is a good objective. do aHout that sort of thing ? Are we mak- No doubt about it. It is an objective Which ittgan appeal; for example, to many of those even Ashoka sought 2500 years ago, but a old houses belonging to the aristocracy where good objective can never be achieved by this there are valuable trophies, antelopes, skins kind of a wrong thing. The Government and that sort of thing ? Are the Govern* has not taken Parliament into confidence. ment thinking of getting hold of those things In regard to this kind of Jegislation, there and keeping them at a place where the pub- is no harm if there was a little delay by a lie can have access ? Otherwise, what is f orfnight are so and this matter referred to the point of our talking about wild life and a Select Committee. Even now, if the that sort of thing ? Government wishes, this matter can be referred to a Select Committee, We can waive the Rules. The Minister can move Are we going to associate with govern­ a motion for reference to the Select Commit­ mental activity on the regulation of wild tee. The Committee may report within a life many of these people who are some­ week's time and we can have the legislation. times described as—I do not like the very It would be a great deal better and after word 'gentlemen Shikaries* ? Many of them having heard Mr Deb who lives in Tripura, have a genuine love for wild life. Many of 1 know how very close he is to the jungles them who come forward, many of them who and he belongs to the people who are part have done a great deal of shooting in their of the soil in that region of our country, life and who prefer now to do photography— after having heard him, 1 am more than are we going to utilise the services of ever convinced that this Bill has been these people ? Mr. Gee, who is now un­ hastily drafted, peovocatively presented to fortunately dead was a foreigner. There Parliament, carelessly sought to be passed are many people in our own country, many into legislation and defective in its substance people in Rajasthan and other areas who Therefore, I plead with whatever strength have been very good Shikaris, very good f have at my command, that this Bill should shots and they can come forward with the be referred to a Select Committee with camera rather than with ihe rifle in order special instructions to report before the to help the wild life. end of the session It would otherwise be merely playing ducks and drakes with the MR. DEPUT V-SPE AKER : We would problem which is very serious. It is extre­ like to hear more from the hon. Member, mely serious to those of us here who want bat, unfortunately, the time is very short. our wild life to be preserved in the best mnaer possible and we are not getting the kind of satisfaction which we want by this t SHRl H. N. MUKERJBE : My grout Bill. 1 therefore appeal to you and throagh! has been that if this BUI had been truly and you to the House that ttiii Bill should be careftitly considered and if this Bill had referred to a Select Committee evenatthit goO# throngh a committee, the committee late ,'ttage. '' /V" ; could have a*ked for information in regard to the presen^day conditions of wild life. T'he committee could hay* found out ways MR. ‘ ^ # t a ^ M improving wild life in m t that there should be mofe informed speecfeet country. Thecoajawitee could also at the . oh ^subject; andfti* fortbebenefitof . ai: loal proof • ■ the-Oover»fi»e^''":'' ^ ; :" in regard to the preservation: of • by thc decision of the Houst. Th* tin* s. 251 mid Life SRAVANA 30, 1894 ( S ^ ) (Protection) Bill 254

allotted is 2 hours. Thera i* a long list of acute. Ecology does not know any frontiers. speakers who want to participate. 1 would If the oceans are polluted in the U.S.A. request them to be as brief as possible. sooner or later that pollution will adversely Dr. Karan Singh affect other oceans and other countries. Ultimately this is one earth, one unit, single THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND and indivisible, CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH): Sir, it is not so mush as Minister of Tou­ rism that I rise to support this Bill, although There are a number of interesting books Wild Life Tourism is indeed poten tially a on the subject. I am sure Prof. Mukerjee very important source of tourist promotion has seen some of them. There is one book and of tourism income in our country, hut Silen: Spring by Rachel Carson. These it is rather, in my capacity as Chairman of insecticides and pesticides which are used the Indian Board for Wild Life that I par­ have also a tremendous effect in destroying ticipate in this discussion. If you give me mi'ch of the natural life that exists. Then about ten minutes, I wilt try to throw some there is the dosing Circle by Barry Common light on some of the points which have been —I do not know whether you had read it; I raised b> my esteemed friend Professor would strongly suggest it—then Planet in Hiren Mukherjee. Petti, Blueprint for Survival and so on. There arc a number of studies for the layman which Before I come to the problem of India, if read, bring out dramatically the tremen­ 1 would l.ke to place the whole wild life dous danger that mankind is facing today. situation in its broader world perspective. Man is only one of the many millions of species that inhabit this planet. But, as a I had the privilege this year of bring in result d his ruthless domination of the the Indian delegation to the Stockholm natural resources of the earth, a situation Crnference on the Human Environment. today has arisen in which many hundreds It was a needed a very remarkable gathering of species have been extinguished and many the first of its kind in the entire history of hundreds more are on the varge of extinc­ the human race, ft was remarkable in the tion. With the tremendous increase in the unanimity it was able to bring about among power gi\ cn to men by science and techno* the nations of the world with different, poll- logy his intervention in the natural processes tiacl, social and economic systems on the that have been continuing on this planet for necessity of doing something to prevent millions and millions of years is beginning ecological disaster. In that Conference, the to become more and more decisive, and as Indian delegation had the privilege of intro­ a result of this the ecological balance of ducing a new principle on w Id life. The nature is beginning to be upset and upset House will be interested to know that when m many ways which are irreversible. There I introduced it—it was our draft—it was have been urbanisation, industrialisation, accepted with acclaim btiause every nation population growth and increasing deforesta­ represented there—thete over a hundred— tion and pressure upon forests. As a result realised the importance of wild life. The of this we find drought, erosion, change in final declaration did contain our principle, the climatic condition, floods and so on. which reads as follows ; These are only some of the more evident and dramatic aspects of the tremendous pressure upon natural resources that man is “Man has a special responsibility to now beginning to bring about, Ecology is safeguard and wisely manage the heri­ therefore becoming increasingly important tage Of wild life and its habitat which for the welfare of mankind itself. Nuclear are now imperilled by a combination of weapons pose a threat to mankind, and adverse factors. Nature conservation possession of nuclear wda^oni miy well including wild life must, therefore, mean destruction of all life on earth. But receive importance in plnnning for a situation has developed today where the economic development**. possibility of ecological disaster 4tso can* not be ruled Out. In fact in many of the I think it is very important for us to socafted advaeeea ebd developed country realise that the ecological compulsion con. the ecology prabie m m become vtiy centtng wild' life is not simply a luxury or " WltiLift ': AUGUST 21, l$72 {Protection) {Bifl) 1U { Dr. Karan Singh } a fad of the more. developed nations; it is we are so reclutant to have any furthar something to which every responsible govern­ delay on this is that with the greatest of ment* particularly a nation like outs which difficulty we have succeeded, for example, is now on the threshold of a new leap for­ in banning the shooting of the tiger comp­ wards in economic development, must give letely. It took me two years, and the due weight. The constitution by the Prime Prime Minister had personally to mterveiM; Minister of a Committee on Environmental With the Chief Ministers before they agreed Planning and Co ordination is a major step that the shooting of tigers should be banned. in this direction. In our own land—I will Otherwise,— the tiger census is in progress not go into the historical background because now—it is estimated that there are less that would take too long—Prof. Mukerjec than 2000 tigers in the whole country, and my cclieague, Prof. Sher Singh, whereas at the turn of the century it it mentioned Asoka and the great traditions estimated that there were about 40,000 to we have in this country with regard to ani­ 50,000 tigers. So the tiger has reached the mals, the Hindu tradition, the Buddhist point of ecological minimum. As you know tradition* the Jain tradition and so on. Sir, if the number of animals falls below Today I can say with authority as Chairmen the ecological minimum, there is no longer of the Indian Board for Wild Life that the a natural regeneration, and the animal position with regard to wild life in India is becomes extinct. The danger is that even needed desperate. My hon. friend, Prof; these 2000 tigers are not in one area, but Mukerjee spoke of panicky reports in the they are separated in different areas and in papers. I can assure him that whatever very much the sort of way in which you reports havs appeared in the papers are in mop up puddles of water, one by one, these the nature of gross under-estimates. The little units of tigers are becoming exstinct. 1 situation today is that a large number of think that we must realise that it is not species has already disappeared and many only a tiger qua tiger which is important ; others arc on the verge of extinction. the tiler is a bea utiful animal, of course, Forests are being denuded in a most dan­ and it has been,*/: symbol of power and of gerous manner as a result of which even in beauty and of majesty in this country, and my own life ime—and that has not been natu ra lly we want it to survive. But it is too long—'the difference is easily visible. I not so mtnflb the tiger as tiger, but the tiger think I can say that in 25 or 30 years in as a symbol of the natural environment places like Kashmir, for example, the whole with which man must live. climate has changed because forest after forest has been destroyed and the entire There is an increasing alienatioif bet­ beauty and the natural vigour of the place ween man and his natural environment, and has disappeared. this alienation has produced in many of the sO* called advanced countries of the world a 14 hr*. state of what can only be termed mass neurosis. It is important, therefore, that when we in India are at ihe beginning of ft I took over as Chairman of the Indian new process of economic development, we Board for Wild Life in 1969 and very soon must take this very very actively into cog­ thereafter, in October of that year, we set nizance. Otherwise, even though we may up an expert committee. The report of have no ill-wili against wild life and we may the eofLmiitee which we received in August generally Wish Chat wild life is maintained, 1979 has certainly been placed in Parla- it, wijt not remain, because the very com­ meni Library. I am not sure if it has been pulsions of economic development are such laid on the Table. It is a report of expert? that it is simply not pogsible for the wild 'iio^'our own country—not foreigners— animals to subsist unless ytry special mei- people Who bave iived in this country all sure* are takeu. it wasas a their itvea and who know the prob- of one , recommendations ioT blem. It is a short report and I - expert comotUiee that the Ministry of jfcod. woold stronnly commend it to mamtors and Agricuhurctook i*p &ia matter with ffor, give in ashort compassth© the States and whh our Law Miniftry/ aad situationas it is and bri«ig» oui the urgency ultimately drafted this very substantia]' and that exists. One of the reasons why I comprehensive pick* of legislation. W Wlid Lift (Protection) SRAVANA 90, i m (SAKA) BUI 258

Certainly, it is true that simply by they live is not only a world of cement and passing this legislation, the problem will not concrete and mortar and roads and noisy be solved. Three things are essential. planes and buses. It is also a world of Firstly, the State Governments must fully natural beauty. It is a world where beauti­ cooperate. Most of the powers under the ful creatures can only live, and they should Constitution belong to the State Govern­ also be seen Therefore it is in order to ments. Certainly, the Government of India safeguard this great national heritage of are now seeking to enter the arena ; other­ ours for generations yet unborn that I wise it would simply not be possible for it to would very strongly commend this Bill to ensure success. But whatever powers the the hon. House. Government of India may take, unless the State Governments are fully involved, unless MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : In view of they fully cooperate, it wilt not be possible what you have said, would you support that for this to succeed. Very often, although the Bill be referred to the Select Commit­ 10 the ultimate analysis, there is no conflict, tee, even if it were to consider more carefully very often there is some measure of conflict your weight observations ? (Interruptions) between people who may be living m the forest and between the neoessity and com* DR. KARAN SINGH f The problem pulsons of wild life. The same is true, for really is this it is already later than we example, of our architectural heritage. After think; it is very late and, although it is my all, we have a c«t> like Fatehpur Sikci. It colleague who has to deal with U—and I is possible to argue that with so many do not want to say anything at length—I people houseless, why d?n't you move ten genuinely, honestly feel that this isjhe first thousand people to live tn Fatehpur Sikri ? time that the Government of India has But these are great artistic treasures, and come forward with this comprehensive great aspects of our national heritage. In legislation. This should now go through. If very much the same way as we look upon there are any problems which arise in its the Taj Mahal or the great temples of South implementation, we can certainly go into it. India or the great monuments that have come I am sure my colleague will assure the down to us throug the ages, and we look House that they will be looked into. Let us at our great artistic heritage of painting, work i t for six months. If there is anything music and dance, we must also look a t the wanting, we will be the first to come for­ wild life heritage. No longer as the preserve ward with amendments. Please let us not •imply for those who, for what I am sorry hold it up 1 can only describe as sadistic activity, went around shooting, and who were very SHRI MOHANRAJ KALINGARAYAR proud of the fact that they had shot a (Pollachi): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, while hundred tigers or a thousand tigers which speaking on this Bill—Wild Life (ProtecUon) to my mind at least is an unspeakable Bill, 1972—i wooid like to make some re­ thing to have done—but that is a different marks. We have been very busy since our matter;—it cannot be so now for a privi­ Independence; so busy that most of our leged few who may fancy themselves to be time was utilised in politics, population, great shorts and who, therefore, instead of defence* industrial and economic problems. going and shooting at targets go round and So, due to these m*jor problems, our wild try to shoot these defenceless animals* X life did not get proper care and protection. have no sympathy for this sort of people. But I Want this wild life to be kept for the people of India. That is why in wild life Since the last 20 years, there was an tourism we are building lodges in our san­ Indian Board for Wild Life functioning as ctuaries, and we are giving mini-buses, We a central advisory body. I would like to want the young people and the students to know whether they have submitted any to and see our wild life. Sir, you yourself report about its working and so on. The are coming from an area where there are Wlid Life Board has done some timely work motuitains ill around and there are bejmtf* by swing the rhionoceros in Assam and Ail forests. Wo want the young people in West Bengal and the Asiatie lions in Guja­ M i* to ityw up with a lov# for this aspect rat. But at the same time we cannot just of our heritage. We want the young peepjte depend on two of our wonderful animaii. tobe ftfele 4o realise that the world to Whicl* * We have got Vo look out for the cat f t 259 Wild Life AUGUST 1,1972 {Protection) Mitt 260 { Shri Mohanraj Kalinganayar J that is, the tiger and the panther, which are by the veterinary doctors, so that they do slowly vanishing. They have become so not infect the foot-and-mouth disease to the extinct in some parts of the South where we wild animals. What 1 recommend to the have very thick forests such as those in hon. Minister is that every sanctuary, every Mysore and Tamil Nadu. I fully agree national park, should have a veterinary with Prof. Mukerjee that this Bill should be hospital on the site and we should have given a legal and powerful effect and it young veterinary doctor* well-trained in should go to Select Committee. protecting and curing wild life.

Another very important matter which 1 Now that our Government has brought want to tell the Minister in ibis speech is the Wild life (Protection) Bill, we should this. Those people living in villages have give serio us thought to it. Even with all found out a cheap way of killing the cat the safeguards that the Central Government family, that is. killing the animals with the and the State Governments take, still, there poison called folidol. It is very easy to kill is poaching and unaurhorised hunting going the animals with folidol; and then they sell on. Not only does it happen in parts of the skin at a high rate. There are the un­ the forests, but also in the sanctuaries and official hide dealers waiting to buy these national parks. skins. This thing should be strictly dealt with. Government should check the taxider­ mists who cure and stuff animals. They should be asked to produce up-to-date lists Another very important factor is this. of all the animals they have stuffed and the It is no use just talking about protecting number of orders that are pending with wild life when most of the forests are being them. With this, we confind out if anyone cut down. When all the big trees arc cut wants to stuff the animals illegally, and down, where will the wild animals go ? We then he could be arrested and action taken. are indiscriminately cutting and clearing the forests and planting eucalyptus trees there. Another important thing is this, In I want to ask the Minister, by planting Chapter III, in clause 17, 1 would like to eucalyptus trees in the forests for thousands add one more provision with your kind of acrts, in which way are they going to permission ; that is, a hunter should not use protect wild life. They keep on cutting the a telescopic sight on his weapon to kill the forests, and finally a stage will come when animals. If he is not able to sight and kill there would not be any place in the forests and aim with his own naked eye, he does*nt for the animals to live. deserve to hold a gun. 1 suggest this pro­ vision, and I hope the Government will take Another important point is this. The it up seriously. time is very short and 1 do not want to dwell at length. But the main thing which 1 Now that most of the animals are be­ want to tell the Minister is this. About a coming extinct, what I feel ii that there year back, in Tamil Nadu, at the Mudu- should be a complete ban on hunting for malai game sanctuary, there was an attack two to three years, and all the forest of foot-and-mouth disease and thousands of licence-holders and licence-holders of guns bisons were dying every day. And that should submit their weapons to the nearest was an area where there was the largest armoury, in order to give wild life a chance concentration of bisons. There was no to multiply. We should insist on this. medicine and by the time the Forest Department took action, there was only a couple of them which survived, and they Coming to my own State, we have vtty are living now. When we asked th* Forest good forests on all sides of our State. We Department, they said they were taking have a wonderful bird sanctuary, 3# to 60 action. What 1 feel h the domestic animals wiles away from Madras, at Vcdaftffaang*!. living in that area, before they are sent .for The Central Government has got * small grating in the sanctuary area or the national rest-house, hut there is no teipr0vet*fcnt. P«rk, whatever it is. should be cheeked up That sanctuary gets darin* the season taort 261 W M U ft SRAVANA 30t |8f4 (SAKA) (Protection) Bill *62

of the birds from at! parts of (he world It country is being forced to make Bills in 25 is » sanctuary worth expanding far foieign years* time we have had uptiU now. So, tourists. The Ceotral Government should we have to take a revolutionary attitude come to the Stale Government's help to towards them. In these Bills must fee develop this bird sanctury. incorporated certain clauses which force ua to see that this Bill is implemented. Many of In conclusion, I would request the the laws we enact here become redundant minister to take firm action. It is not too because they are not implemented. They late. Even now we can protect some of the are formulated in such a manner that one extinct aoimala by having very good advi­ can avoid them. This is one such Bill, It sory boards. Otherwise, our children will would be good if the minister looks into it see only stuffed animals in the museum. again and removes the lacunae when it Please do not bring it to that stage. Please comes to that stage. take some firm action to save wild life. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER s How and MR DEPUTY-SPFAKER ; Apart from when ? the six names given officially by the Cong­ ress Party, 3 names have come privately. SHRI NIMBALKAR : When you Besides there are speakers from the opposi­ frame the rules, you can get rid of most of tion members and the minister. Even if I the lacunae. give 5 minutes to each, I would not be able to manage it within 2 hours. And, I think SHRI DESARATHA DEB : Then he it is unfair to give anybody less than 5 should agree to referring it to Select Com­ minutes. mittee.

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO SHRI M1MBALKAR : The rules are (MAHENDRAGARH): 1 have demanded not made by the Select Committee. The that it should go to the Select Committee. rules have to be framed by different States Why not do that ? because the conditions vary from State to State. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I cannot do that or my own. Mr Nimbalkat. As my hon. friend, the Minister of Tourism, has pointed out this Bill alone SHRI NIMBALKAR (Kolhapur) : will not solve the problem. What is worse, Sir, 1 would like to tell the gentlemen here it does not contain one provision which will that within the time that this Bill was help us to solve this problem. The Minister mooted and was known to the public that it has no respect for a person who goes out was going to be put before the House, 17 and shoots 100 tigers. I also have no rhinoceroses have already been killed and respect for that person. These people are their horns removed for trading. The called shikaris. There is a great difference longer we go on delaying this Bill, the more between shikaris and hunters. A shikari such incidents are going to happen. Even goes out with the intention of killing and if we are not completely agreeable to this bringing it home. When a hunter goes out, Bill-** I myself am not—still it Is necessary he may see many he may not shoot any of fertile interests of wild animals that we them, because he knows that it is not the should pass this Bill now without going right time to shoot th^t type of animals in Uftottgh the select committiee stage. We can the interests of wild life* That is why I alway* bring amendments. Since there are say that there should have been a provision a few ministers here, I want to say some- in this Bill to the effect that people who thing aboutthe kind Of Bill# we Should are given licence to hold arms should know bring. Then they are will understand the fiawa aomethlng about animals, their breeding in this Bill. I am myself on the committee habits etc. Thea they wUI have really a that 4a creating the Bill for water pollution. love Of animals and out of tbat iove of InOur eountry, we* havebeenfaeing "certain'' animals preservation of those animals are difficulties in bribing these BfHs. Other ensured. In tlie Alps of Europe, particur countries have formulated their BiHs and larfy in Bavaria, I have myself a lot of tmeadcd them oter W m m &*&- Oor ' hunting." It H. &e" hunters who ensure tfca 2*1 m /d Life {Protection) AUGUST 21, 1972 Bffl 2& fShri Nimbalkar] preservation of animate because the hunters sanctuaries. But with the calling that you know the habit* of animats and when to are going to bring on land, I cannot imagine shoot or not shoot them. Many people very many people having their own sanc­ most have heard of Munich. If you go to tuaries. There wiR be only a handful of Munich, in spite of the fact that animals people who will be having thetr own sane* are preserved in such a fine manner in that tunes and the rest of the people will not area, still venison is available in the market have the benefit of that. I have no more almost every day. You have to preserve comments to offer on this Bill. animals; but sometimes you have to destroy animats in the interests of preservation of SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO animals in the area. (Mahendragarh): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I welcome this long overdue measure. In this Bill nothing has been included Almost overbody in this House has said which concerns fish. A separate Bill should that this is a very important legislation that be brought forward as early as possible for Government wants to enact and that it the protection of fish. should be made very effective. 1 cannot understand why Government should feel There are three clauses of this Bill on shy of sending this Bill to a Select Com­ which I would like to say something. mittee to make it more effective at least. Clause 11^3) says : India which was once so rich in its “Any wild animal killed or wounded in fauna and attracted tourists from all over defence of any person shall be Govern­ the world has now come to a stage when ment property.” our wild animals are depleting and dis­ appearing very fast. It has caused every* body’s concern. Really speaking, this is capable of implemen­ tation. Because, once the animal is killed This is not the first measure of its type who is to bear the cost of removing it ? So, this part cannot be implemented. Some in the country. 1 remember, 15 years ago, other means must be found. the State of Punjab fet the pace. A very comprehensive legislation was introduced, that is, the Punjab Wild Life Preservation Then, clause 14(4) says that no appeal Act. I happened to be the Minister in­ *hat! be entertained unless it is preferred charge, in 1957, and our Speaker, Mr. within fifteen days from the date of the Dhillon, was the Speaker of the Punjab communication to the applicant of the order Assembly. We hoped that would serve as appealed against. I feel that it should be a model for the whole country to preserve at least one month. wild life. That Act was extended to Delhi State and it is stiil in force in Delhi MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : How can territory. the rules correct this ? The rules cannot override the provisions of the Bill, What I ask the hon. Minister is : Does he not know that in contravention of that SHR! NIMBAUCAR: Then, clause Act, even now, in Delhi, you can purchase* 17

Act to preserve wild animals and, parti- have been included In Schedule II. „ cularly, black buck, the State Government . Elephants would very soon be extinct In and the Central Government has not been • India like tiger*. They should also be able to do anything either la Haryana or in included in Schedule I. It is a different Delhi. matter if Govern ment has the right to trap them and to use them, but it should not be Haryana has suffered because of the left to hunters or game wardens to issue shikaris going out every week from Delhi, licences to hunt elephants. most of them diplomat* having some immunity* Nobody has the courage to check them. They bring any number of birds. If That is why I oppose the introduction the wild life, particularly, birds have dis­ of this measure in such a hasty manner. appeared in India, it ts not because they They have already taken 25 years; only now were boiled in the pou of common man, they have woken up. Can they not wait but, I maintain, it is because they have for one week or ten days more ? This Bill found their way in the pot bellies of is nothing but an exact copy of the Punjab Government officials, particularly, policemen Wild Life Preseivation Act. What credit do forest officers, judges and magistrates who they want to appropriate to themselves by were charged with the responsibility of this ? I have seen every word of this Bill; enforcing this Act. You can go to any it is based on the Punjab Act. Why can mar. iage of Magistrate's daughter anywhere they not make it more effective for the in India and, I say, there will be partridges* whole country ? They can also find time to parties. Thousands of partridges will be get the Resolutions of the other States in caught. These poor people cannot have the India where the Assemblies have not yet courage to commit an offence unless insti­ passed legislations to the effect that the gated and paid by a police officer or a Centre should legislate for them. They can forest officer. We are again charging these force them ; they can get their Resolutions people with the responsibility of preserving by the next Session and then it could be an wild life. That is why, I say, to make this Act for the whole country. It does not Act effective, we must think more about it. look nice if only a few State? are mentioned where this Act would be effective, would be I have been intimately connected with imposed. Many State Assemblies have not this thing. That is why we request the hon. yet passed Resolutions, States like Mysore Minister and we request you. Sir, also to and Assam are very rich in games. It is use your influence. There are many lacunae most important that “these States also in this Bill. We would like panchayats to should be made to follow suit. If they can be given the powers to check these offences call the Chief Ministers for land legislation in their respective areas. No Director or measures and force them to do things Preservation Officer can find his way into against the wishes of the Assemblies, why the villages and they cannot detect the can they not force them on such a measure offences We might think of certain other which is a beneficial thing to do ? Their things. Many things have been (eft out of policies are contradictory. The best Shelter this Bill. that wild animals and birds find is in common lands of villages, in pasture lands. I was looking at Schedule I. Our They are not taking any steps to see that Government does not seem to know that these common lands and pastures in villages even black partridges are fast disappearing particularly in the plains, are exempted like black buck. I would suggest that this from the application of ceiling laws and j should be included in Schedule I. Painted preserved. If that is not done, tbe wild Kfe sandgrouse which was abundantly found in will completely disappear from the plains v India some years ago and Imperial sand- at least. Forests are being denuded* as you grouse which was abundantly found in know, Sir, coming from hill areas. On the Bikaner and other places in tadfe amr one hand they are denuding forests and » extinct now. on the other hand they are thinking of acquiring lands to put up forests ? Why You cannot find them. They should be should they not protect the existing forests included in Schedule I. Even elephant if they really love wild life ? 267 W M Li/e AUGUST 21, 1972 (ftvtorfta) M t 268 I Shri Birender Sing Rao ] WKh these words, I would say that they the Government to fake away the weapon could take a little mote time and refer this during the off-season. I Would go a stage Bill to a Select Committee, even if the further and say that crop protection should report is to be made within a week. be a State subject and the Centre should see to it that crop protection is taken by the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am told State and enforced properly. The arms that there are a number of amendments licences which are there should be con­ that have been sent just today. Normally a trolled and the Act that covers them should day’s notice is necessary, but I am told also be amended and in that, I would like that there is one amendment by Govern­ the Minister to consider a very serious ment also. Due weight is to be given to point and that is that whenever an arms the Government's amendment to its own licence is given, the game warden should Bill, if I accept the Government amend- also be consulted. ment. I cannot discriminate against the amendments be private members ( interrup­ As you have noticed, a number of tion .) Therefore, I will accept these Members have asked for time to speak and amendments. Efforts are being made to that shows their interests in wild life. I circulate them, if they are not circulated, would request the hon. Minister that as then we shall adopt the novel procedure, as there is interest in wi?d life from Members, we did the other day, of accepting amend­ from all sides of the House, he should have ments at the last minute and asking the a permanent Committee at the Central level members to read out their amendments. of MPs and the Prime Minister should be consulted about this—that is, to have a Mr. D. P. Jadeja. separate Minister who should be in control of wild life. SHRI D. P. JADEJA (Jamnagar) : I rise to congratulate the Government and A system of rewards for informers— the Minister, in particular, for biinging this is a very vcr> serious matter. Even in the forward a Bill which is something different coastal areas where smuggling is going on, froea a 11 those Bills on wild life, game sanc­ the Central Excise give 10% of whatever is tuaries and forests that have been intro­ caught. duced in this couotry since over a hundred years. This Bill, in particular, is different MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Ail this is from others because here we concentrate done by wild life—smuggling ? more not only on the preservation of wild life but also for its protection from the SHRI D. P. JADEJA : The informer hunter and the trader. I am sure that this who gives genuine mfonration about wild clause is indicative of the interest which the life should be rewarded. The local people Government and the Minister have shown also should be involved thereby they also In introducing this Bill, become part and parcel of the programme. When you take the public into confidence, This Bill, J am sure, will be a very then I feel even the staff would do excep­ effective measure and the vanishing wild tionally good work and those who do good life of this country will be safe hereafter. I work m controlling the wild life should be would like to join my friend, Mr. given promotion and should be given incre­ Nimbalkar who has asked for a similar Bill ments and should be suitably rewarded for for the preservation of fish and as it con­ whatever work they are doing in regard to cerns the same Ministry, I would request preservation of wild life, the hon, Minister to bring forward a Wild Life Conservation Bill, so as to control the A suggestion I would like to make to exploitation of fresh-water and sea fish, the Minister—let it go from the Ministry also that every Government office and every I would like to make a few suggestions. school in this country should have an illus­ I will not speak on the amendments now, trative chart showing those species of wild that I have given. life which are getting extinct.

Crop protection—-Many members have I would like to ask the hon. Minister a spoken about it and they have suggested to few questions. As the time is f«n&iag storfc 269 fH U U ft SRAVAJ4A JO. 1*94 (&«/•) (Protection) Bill 270

! wiH no* tpeak more on It. But, I come «ft w t, *t. *? (nrpftsf) : 37TOTW from Gujarat where we have the famous Gir forest and the Gtr sanctuary is there w jtev, «if * t!5 i «fte srftwPT firw and I have learnt that to protect the lions, n r n $ OTfft a m w i there is a scheme to have a 4’ wall allround the sanctuary at a cost of Rs 37 lakhs. fiftfa *ror f*sr 11 Srfor s w Pumping in money alone is not going to w f t tftr *?rsrr ft'fcfiaw $ fir f vsarr $ave the wild life. I would like to know whether a 4' watl is going to stop any ani­ g ft> ftfir % $*r% ar«r*ite mal from jumping over it. What animal fo* 11 ’fsfV jq: 1 1 except the hare or the porcupine is going to be saved ? Why not have some scheme f fajrft arffirw trw by which les$ money can be used and this sfor »r r r?ft f *?ir *r??* sft^fr «n?r f Another thing, Gujarat is a place, so *n ’fart *rr *nfr $rc wrcrr | *rr well-known for the black buck. Only 20 years ago there were over two lakhs of black anfF» tffrtsw wilt ? «ft *5 bucks To day there are not more than vt ?r sn% t. ^ t % spn: 2000 Black buck are sold by truck-Ioads in the Ahmedabad bazaar, what measures fferr f f w wwr w t t ari% | *ftr the Government are going to take to con­ OT?ft n i t ar? wrr% ? ?fr wrSw *nn trol this "laughter of black bucks from the Bhal area ? 11 ^F>r=ft wr fjpsr «Pt eft am T ^ t ») 5rsi% $ *ftt srwmc % fim v t A word about a bird which is almost aft anfiwifirrft & t g^wt getting extinct the great Indian bustard. The female lays only one egg a year. That *»tft % fsri* for* s»^t f i f?rt vt it almost getting extinct and as some of our aft aftrft TOft 13fl*t aft *?r cWr ffcn $ friends said, the Panchayati Raj institutions t o w r n ft wen 1 1 aft wter #»r should be involved in this and it is only if ^terr | t o «r< wrerr % i ?ft ^ the Panchayati Raj and the local village 5ff*r f, s« k w i m v paochayats take interest in this, this bird can be saved; otherwise I am sure in the t f* iff? vr. wfeq; w ^t aw Mxt five years* you will not have a single *ft£t % 5f3r% % f«n? in n f i bird of this species to be seen. t : One more point, in the north of Guja­ rat we have got the famous breeding ground “The killing or wounding in good fa th Of flamingoes. May I know from the of any wild antrai 1 in defence of one­ Government what steps they are taking 10 self or of any other person shall not be preserve this bird and in making it a tourist an offence; attraction and also to tee that this area of flamingoes does become a national project Provided that nothing in this sub« and not only a local project ? section shall exonerate any person who, 271 Wild Lift (Prt>tecti*n) AUGUST 2U >972 272 [tfr m . * M ] when such defence becomes necessary, *w ?r w 5 *fta nrwmt wfiwrtft # * was committing any act in contravention of any provision of this Act or any rule JTT rw t U rn aw wfimtf I want to put a question to the Minister. win 3 5 flrff * % ^ r r s f>P x f Will the killing or wounding in good *r*n wtw % T arm* f i r m % « n # ifcith of any wild animat in defence of one** iwtw»»Tfsn|i inrtvst life or in defence of one’s cattle and of crops become an offence ? 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SHRI J. B. PATNAIK (Cuttack) t Coming to the Bill, I am of the opinion This is a Bill which should be welcomed that a more comprehensive Bill whtch should by all sections of tbe House. This is a have taken into account the entire gamut of much desired Bill although a delayed conservation of wild life, not only protec­ BUI. Now wo should not do anything which tion of wild life should have been brought would coafce further delay in enacting this forward before this House. This Bill does measure for which the country has boon not take into account the destruction caused awaiting so long. The damage done to wild by building new dams and new cities and life not only in this country but in the before station on a very large scale. 1 do world is gieat and clvU»»sd man all over the not mean that developmental activities should world are aware of the situation. stop, but what about the wild life that is 279 WRdUft AUGUST 21, an , (Prelection) Wit 2*0 ( Sfari J. B. Patnillc ] destroyed in the prosess and what alterna- •ft fym wrw rtm (truwftgr): w- five are we providing for them 1 * w unrrwrt % IS hr*. # fat afar* m fRf $ T|r 11 ifltw Constitution of wild life boards is all % % ?nn sr **r*t right to stop wanton killing and control % Rnt wtft *nr fiwr tcade in wild life products. But more mammals and birds die because of rapid Sf vw f*«T$1 chance in their environment because of ^ 1955 % wnr «r* rer tu t jw there should be a commissioner of ecology w w ^ < r *t on that schedule which ft *rwr srfcr... Government to come in a big way and take up this national park and develop it as their own.

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doi n$ io wild life reserve area*. Tbit is only referred, it will take tome more time, and done in protective forests. He alto raised at one hon. Member bat said, within two the question of locating veterinary dispen­ or three dayt of the introduction of this saries in sanctuaries and national parks. We Bill, seven rhinoceroses have been killed, have made provision for inoculation and and* therefore, I think that in the interet tt prophylactic measures against diseases in of wild life protection, it is necettary that sanctuaries, ft has been provided for. Bat once thit Bill it moved, we should not waste i do not think that it is necessary for every any time but thould pats it Immediately. aanetuar) or every national park to have a veteiinary dispensary of its own, because it I thank all bon. Members who have is nat possible for us to bring those animals taken part in the this debate and welcomed every now and then, because those animals this Bill. are not there to be caught. So, there is no need to locate any dispensary there. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques­ tion is :

A question has been raised about fish, “That the Bill to provide for the pro­ whether fish is also included in wild life tection of wild animals and birds and and whether something is being done m for matters connected therewith or regard to fish also. There is a provision in ancillary or incidental thereto, be taken the Bill under which fishing also could be into consideration.” regulated. The motion was adopted

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : That is only MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We shall for inland fisheries. now take up clause-bycla use consideration. Since there are no amendments to clauses 2 SHRI ZULFIQUAR AL1 KHA* to 4 1 shall put them together to vote. (Ramour) : There are two types of fish actually. The question is : “That clauses 2 to 4 stand part of the PROF. SHER SINGH : I agree with Bill”, the hon. Member that we should have some organisation at the ail-lndta level to protect The motion was adopted wild life. Clause 2 to 4 were added to the Bill. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : One for fith also. Clause 5—(Power to delegate ) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER r I now PROF. SHER SINGH . We have one come to clause 5. headed by Dr. Karan Singh, and under his dynamic leadership, the Indian Board for Wild Life is doing very well; I suppose SARI D P. JADEJA : I have an amend* everyone will agree with me on this, and ment to the Title. we should congratulate him for the various steps that he has been taking for protecting MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Normally wild life. we take up clause 2 first and go on till we come to the end of the clauses and the Schedules, if any, and then we take up clause As for the ecological aspect also, because 1, the Enacting Formula and the Title. That due to water pollution or air pollution etc. is the procedure. wild life is destroyed, recently Government have constituted a National Com nittee on Environmental Planning. SHRI M. C. DAOA : I beg to move : Page 5* lines l and 2* omk 'with the At for referring that Bill to a Select previous approval of the Central Committee, I do not **ree bfea«se if it it Government/ (12) 295 Wild life (Protection) AUGUST 21, 1972 m a** (Shri MX. Daga] F l|t 5, lines 5 and 6, omit ‘with the 5 for ‘one of the members of the previous approval of the State Govern* Board4 substitute ‘Chief Conservator of mem*. (13) Forests or Chif Wild Life Warden*

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : 1 shall now (ii) line 36,—for ‘thereof* substi­ put these two amendments to vote. tute *of the Board*. (17)

Amendments Nos. 12 and 13 were put SHRI R. V. BADE : 1 beg to move : and negatived. Page 5, after line 34, insert : MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The questioa is : ‘Provided in those Districts where there are tribal blocks, four numbers out “That clause 5 stand part of the Bill”. of fifteen should be from the Scheduled Tribe*. (50) The motion was adapted. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is an Clause 5 was added to the Bill. amendment standing in the name of Prof. Sber Singh. Is he moving it ? Clause 6 (Constitution o f wild Life Advisory Board ) PROF. SHER SINGH : No, I am not moving it. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : There are a number of amendments to clause 6, some MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put of which have been given notice of only to­ all amendments together. day. If they are moved, I shall read out those amendments to the House. Others SHRI R. V. BADE : Mine may be which were circulated before need not be put separately. read out. PROF. SHER SINGH: I accept amend­ Is Shri D. P. Jadeja moving h.s amend' ment No. 17 moved by Shri M. C. Daga. ments? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now SHRI D. P. JADEJA : No, I am not put amendment No. 14 by Shu Daga to moving them. But 1 would like to vote. explain. . . . Amendment No. 14 was put and negatived. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Is he moving the amendments or not ? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question is: SHRI D. P. JADEJA : No. Page 5,— SHRI M. G DAGA : I beg to move : (i) lines 35 and 36.—- Page 5, line 21, fo r 'Chief Secretary* substitute ‘Revenue Secretary* (14) j*or “one of the members of the Board” gobstltms <«Ohtet Conservator Page 5, line 32, after ‘and* insert ‘not of Vor&to oTC hlef Wild Life O tteet^ exceeding three*, (15) * (ii) Tine 3?f—for ’“thereof** substitute •‘of the Board’*, (17) Page 5* line 32, after ‘non-officials,’ insert ‘the rest*. (16) The motion was adapted. MR* DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I ahaW now Page 5, (i) lines 35 and 36,—* put anftodmeqf? Nos, 15 and 16 to voit* 297 mu Lit* (ftwtec/tod) HAVANA 30, U94 <$AKA) m i m

Amendments Nos. 13 and 16 were MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question put and negatived. it

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall Page 6, line 21,-- now pot amendment No. 50 by Shri Bade to vote. for “under" substitute “referred to in” (60) Amendment No. 50 was put and negatived, The Motion was adopted MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question is : MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Tne ques­ tion is : “That clause 6, as amended, stand part of the Bill". “That clause 9, as amended, stand part The motion was adopted. of the Bill.**

Clause 6, as amended, was added to the Bill . The motion was adopted.

Clause 7—(Procedure to be followed Clause 9 , &j Amended, wms bdded by the Board) to the Bill. SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I beg to move : Clause 10 was added to the Bill . Page 5,— Clause 11 (Hunting of wild atmals to be permllied in certa/n cMses after line 44, insert — SHRI DASARATHA' DEB : I move : “Provided that no such meeting shall be held outside territory of the respective Page 7, line 31,— State/* (3i) after ‘-person** insert— MR. DEPUrY-SPBAKER : I shall put ameodmen No. 31 to vote. “or in defence of one's standing crops” (32) Amendment So. 3( was put and negatived. Page 7,—

MR, DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques­ tion it : after line 37, insert —

"That clause 7 stand part of the Bill’*. “Provided that meat of the killed wild animal or animals shall not be used as The motion was adopted . traditionally eaten category of food by the killer.** (33) Clause 7 was added to the Bill .

Clause 8 was added to the Bill . SHRI R. V. BADE : I move :

dome 9—{Bunting of wild animals ) Page 7, line 31,— PROP. SHER SINGH ; 1 move : after “person** Insert— Page 6, line 21,— for "under” substitute "referred to “or for protection of Ms cattle or » * {0 ) crops'* (51) ' 199 Wild life (Protection) AUGUST 21, \91l Bill *00

MR, DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I shall put Clauses 15 and 16 were added to the Bill . these amendments to the vote. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Amendment No. 21. Mr. Daga — not moving. The Amendments Nos* 32, 33 and 51 question is : wtfe put and negatived. '•That clause 17 stand part of the Bill,” MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques­ tion is : The motion was adopted.

Clause 17 was added to the Bill. ••That clause 11 stand part of the BUI.** Clause 18 was added to the Bill . The motion was adopted. Clause 19—(Collector to deterimine rights) Clause 11 wa-T added to the Bill.

Clause 12 »as added to the Bill. SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I move :

Clause 13—(Suspension or cance­ Page 9, line 35,— llation of Licence) add at the end— MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is an amendment by Mr. Rana. Are you moving? “Right of any person in or over the —No. The question is : land comprised within the limits of the sanctuary shall include the rights of ♦•That clause 13 stand part of the BUI." tribal thumias over the land which has been traditionally used for the purpose The motion was adopted. of jhum cultivation by tribal people.” (35) Clause 13 was added to the Bill. SHRI R. V. BADE : I move ; Clause 14 CAppeals) Page 9, line 35,— SHRI DA8ARATHA DEB : I move : add at the end— Page line 21,— "The Collector should see that such area is not near the vicinity of irrigated after “communication” insert — land or land used for growing crops.*' (52) “reached'* (34) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER i I shall put MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put these amendments to the vote. the amendment to the vote. Amendments Nos, 35 and $2 were Amendment No. 34 was put and pnt and negatived. negatived. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques­ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques­ tion is : tion if : “That clause 14 stand part of the Bill ” ••That clause 19 stand part of the Bill/*

The motion was adopted. the motion w*s adapted*

Clause 14 was added to tfa Ctmue IP was added IoUteBm. 401 Wild L(ft (Protection) SRAVANA 30, I89« (SAKA) Bill 302

Clauses 20 to 26 were Added Clauses 28 and 29 were added to the Bill. to the BiU. Clause 30—(Causing fire prohibited) Clause 27— (Restriction on entry in sanctuary) SHRI DASARATHA DEB : Sir, I hate an amendment to clause 30.1 beg to move : SHRI DASARATHA DEB : Sir, I have an amendment, No. 36 to clause 27. 1 beg Page 12,— to move : after line 42 inssert ,— Page 11,—

omit lines 26 to 43. (36) “Provided that nothing contained in clause 30 shall render any such person PROF. SHER SINGH : I beg to move liable to any punishment if he sets fire my amendment No. 61 to clause 27. 1 beg for the purpose of jhuming m the near­ to move : by area and if such fire caused the burning of a sanctuary due to the Page 11, line 16,— spread of fire of the burning of jhum.” (37) for “who ordinarily resides” MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : 1 put substitute— amendment No. 37 to the vote of the House “who has been permitted by the Chief Wild Life Warden or the authorised Amendnit nt No. 37 was put and officer to reside” (61) negatived. MR. DEPUTY-SPFAKER : I put MR DEPUTY SPEAKER * The ques* amended No. 36 to the vote of the House. tion is : Amendmeut No. 36 was put and negatived. “That clause 30 stand part of the Bill.** MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I put amendment Ao. 61 to the vote of the House The motion was adopted. The question ts : Clause 30 was added to the Bill. Page 11, line 16— Clauses 31 to 34 were added to the Bill . for “who ordinarily resides’* Clauss 35— (Declaration of National Parks ) substitute — SHRI R. V. BADE : Sir, I have an “who has been permitted by the Chief amendment to clause 35. Wtld Life Warden or the authorised officer to reside” (61) I beg to move : The motion m s adopted. Page 13,—*

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques­ after line 42, insert— tion ts: “provided that the area declared to be “That clause 27, as amended, stand a national park or sanctuary should be part of the Bill.** five miles away from the land used for growing crops.** (53) The metkm was adopted. MR, DEPUTYSPEAKER : I shall pm Clause 27p a* amended, was Added amendment No. S3 to the vote of tte to the BUI. House. 303 W td Life (protection) ANGUST 21, 1972 B ill 304 [Mr. Deputy-Speaker] Amendment No. S3 was put and negatived Page 16,—

MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER : The ques­ after line 5, tiwrt— tion is: “Provided that nothing contained In “That clause 35 staod part of the Bill ** this sub-clause shall apply to the wild animals* articles that were acquired and The motion was adopted. have been possessed by any person before the commencement of this Act.** Clause 35 i»as addfd to the Bill (40)

Clauses 36 to 38 were added to the Bill. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I wiH put Amendments Nos. 39 and 40 to the House. Clause 39 — (Wild animals, etc , to be Government property ) Amendments No. 39 and 40 were put and negatived. SHRI DASARATHA DFB : Sir I have Amendment made : an amendment to clause 39. Page 15, line 49,— I beg to move ; after “for sale” insert— Page 15,—lines 17 and 18,— “or otherwise transfer” (62) omit “or meat derived from any wild (Prof SA

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques­ Clause 40, as amended , was added tion is : to the Bill.

“That clause 39 stand part of the Bill.** Clause 41 was added to the Bill .

The motion was adopted. Clause 42(C—trlificatt o f owncrtMp)

Clause 39 was added to the Bill . MR. DEPUTY-SPEARER : There are two amendments. Amendment No. 7 is by Clause (Declarations) Prof. Sher Singh. That has been circulated. No. 41 is by Mr. Deb. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are two amendments—Nos. 39 and 40 by Mr. Amendment made : Deb and No. 61 by Prof. Sher Singh, SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I beg to Page 16,—* move: omit line 33 (7) Page 16, line 2,— (Prof. Sher Singh)

omit * mov# : \ 305 m u lift SRAVANA 30, 1194 (SAKJt) (.Prouction) Bill 306

Page 16,— for “one year” su btitute “threo years” (55) after line 33, fnsert— Page 18, line 41,— “(3) Nothing in sub-section (1) shall apply in relation to wild animals and for “one year” substitute “three wild animals* articles possessed by any years” (56j person before the commencement of this Act." (41) MR. DEPUTY-SPFAKER : I wiU now put these amendments of Mr. Bade to the House. MU. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now put Mr. Deb’s amendment No. 41. Amendments Nos, 54 to 56 were put and negatived. Amendment No . 41 was put and negatived MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques­ tion is : MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKEY : The ques : tion is : “That clause 44 stand part of the Bill.” The motion was adopted. “That clause 42, as amended, stand part of the Bill." Clause 44 w a s added to the Bill.

The motion was adapted. Clauses 45 to 48 were added to the Bill.

Clause 42, as a mended, was added to Clause 49— the Bill. Purchase of captive animal, etc. by a person other than a licensee Clause 43— (Regulation of transfer of an/mal, etc.) 16 hrs. MR. DEPUTY ’SPEAKER : There is an amendment by Shri Jadeja. He is not SHRI D. P. JADEJA : 1 beg* to move: moving it. The question is : Page 20, line 25,— “That clause 43 stand part of the Bill.” after “purchase” insert “receive” (29) Ttm motion was adopted. PROF. SHER SINGH : I am accept­ ing it. Clause 44— (Dealings in troply and animat articles MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques­ wftA mu licenct prohibited) tion is :

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are Page 20, line 25,— three amendments by Mr Ba

SHRI R. V. BADE : 1 beg to move: The motion was adopted.

Plage 18, line 17,— MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques­ tion is ; , for "fifteen” wMUH* “thirty” (54)

‘‘That clause 40, mm Amended, stand part Fiye lft. line of the BUI”. - 307 Hm i Life (Protection)AUGUST 21, 1972 Mill 56* |Mr. Deputy-Speaker] The motion was adopted. Amendments Nos. 42 to 47 and 57 were put and negatived. Clause 49, as amended, was atfifa/ to tAe mu. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The ques­ tion is : Clause 50 was arfrferf to tAe B///. “ That clause 51 stand part of the Bill*4 The motion was adopted. Clause 51— (Penalties) Clause 51 was added to the Bill. SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I bee to move : Clauses 52 to 54 were added to the Bill. Page 21, line 49,— Clause 55— (Cognizance of offences) for “two years*' substitute “six moiuhs” PROF. SHER SINGH : 1 beg to move : (43) Page 23, lines 16 and 17,— Page 21, line 50, for *'the authorised officer" foe “two thousand" substiute “one hundred'* (43) substitute —

Page 22, line t and 7, "such other officer as the State Govern­ ment may authorise in this behalf" (11) for “six years" substitute “one year** (44) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The ques­ tion is ; Page 22, line 7, Page 23, lines 16 and 17,— for “five” substitute “one** (45) for ' the authorised officer’*

Page 22, line 10, substitute —

for “one year*’ ‘Six months" “such other officer as th* State Govern­ (46) ment may authorise in this behalf" (11)

Page 22, line 11, The motion was addopted.

for "one thousand" substitute MR. DBPUTY*SPEAKBR : The ques­ “one hundred**. (47) tion is :

SHRI R. V. BADB : I beg to move : “H ut clause 55, as amended, stand Page 22, part of the Bill*1

omit lines 22 U> 27. (57) The motion wis adopted,

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Amend- Clause 55, a#amended, was added ment No. 41 is not admissible because an to the m K amendment cannot have a negative effect. I win now *n»t Amendment N ob * 42 to 47 and Clauses $6 and 57 were added t # 57 to the vote of the House* theBHt, 309 Wild Life {Protection) SRAVANA 30, 1394 (SAKA) M i 310

Clause 5$— (Offences by companies. ■‘Clause* 62 at amended, stand part of the Bill”. SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I beg to move; The motion was adopted. 23,— Page Clause 62, as amended, was added omit lines 37 to 40. (39) to the Bill MR. DEPUTY SPEAKFR : I will MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : There is now put amendment No. 49 to the vote of no amendments to clauses 63 to 66. the House. The question is : Amendment No . 49 was put and “That clauses 63 to 66 stand part of the negatived. Bill.” MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER : The The motion was adopted question is : Clause 61 to 66 were added to the Bill “That clause 58 stand part of the Bill” Firs t Schedule The motion was adopted . PROF. SHER SINGH : I beg to move : Clause 58 was added to the Bill. Page 28,— MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : There is no amendment to clauses 59 to 61. I put in item 17,— them to the vote of the House. for “harmaru” substitute “crossoptilon” The question is : (9) SHRI R. V. BADE : I beg to move : “That clauses 59 to 61 stand part of the Bill” Page 28,— The motion was adopted. after line 31, Insert — Clauses 59 to 61 were added to the Bill “ 19. Peecock (Mayur). (58) Clause 62 (Declaration of certain MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, I wild animals to be vermin. put amendment No. 9 moved by Prof. Sher Singh to the vote of the House. PROF. SHER SINGH ; I beg to move : The question is : Page 25, line 1(— Page 28,— for “Notwithstanding anything contai­ in item 17,— ned in subsection (2)** for ‘'harmani*' substitute “crossoptilon” substitute “Subject to the provisions” <»> m The motion was adopted- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question is : SHRI R. V. BADE : I am withdraw­ Page 25, Une I,— ing my amendment. for “Notwithstanding anything contained Amendment No, 38 was, by leave, In sub-section (2)** withdrawn. tubstime «8tittfeet to the provWo# (*) MR. DEPUTY »$PEAKBR : The ques­ 7!m moth* wat odopttd- tion is : ML DB*UTY4rBAK8A: TtequM- “First Schedule, as amended, stand part 1 of the Bill” m Victoria Memorial AUGUST 21; 1972 (Xmdt) Wti ' 312 f Mr. Deputy Speaker ] The moth* was adapted, SHRI D. P. JADEJA : No, Sir; X am not moving. First Schedule^ as amended* was added the m i MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : So, I pot clause ), the Enacting Formula, the Pream­ Second Schedule, Third Schedule ble and the Long Title to the vote of tfre and Fourth Schedule were added to the Bill, House. Fifth Schedule The question is : MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are “That Clause 1, the Enacting Formula, two amendments Nos. 6 and 30 in the name the Preamble and the Title stand part of Shri D. P. Jadeja. of the Bill” SHRI D. P. JADEJA : I beg to move : 77*e motion was adopted. Page 33,— Clause J, the Enacting Formula tAe Preamble and the Title were added to the Bill . omit line 10. (6) PROF. SHER SINGH : I beg to move : Page 33, line 4,— “That the Bill, as amended, be passed/’ omit "I. Bandicoots.** (30) MR, DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- PROF. SHER SINGH : I am accept­ tion is : ing Amendment Nos. 6 and 30. “That the Bill, as amended, be passed.** MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- lion is : The motion was adopt ed. Phge 33,— 16.10 tars. omii line 10. (6) VICTORIA MEMORIAL (AMENDMENT) ’ Page 33. line 4,— BILL

omit**I. Bandicoots.** (30) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER ; The House will now take up the next item, Victoria The motion was adopted. Memorial (Amendment) Bill. Prof, S. Nurul Hasan : MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques­ tion is : THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE “Fifth Schedule, as amended, stand (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : I beg to move: part of the Bill/’ “That tbe Bill further to amend the The motion was adopted. Victoria Memorial Act, 1903, as passed Fifth Schedule, as amended, was added by Rajya Sabha, be tajcen into consi­ deration." *H*eBffl. ■ ■ !• 1 ' Clause !—(SAort title, extent and comma* 0- 1/2 hrs. TtWAmM‘thg Ctofr#:. ■ MR. DEPUTY-SPgAKfiR : .There it This is a very ilmple measore which Is . aii jMDendraent to clause Is: by JShri iadeja. Are you moving i to o .. Hou* i» «w«*. *taA« WM.ftflpli- 313 Vit:tNia SRAV ANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Memorial (Amdt,) Bill 314 nally brought about for certain historical possible for us to change this and if so, in reasons, but what has happened m the what manner. In any case, that slant that meanwhile is that it has now developed has to be given to this Museum is a very into a period museum of considerable gigni- different one, on the basis of which this ficance. The estimates Committee of institution was originally set up. The Board, Parliament had suggested measures to bring as it was constituted, hardly provided any about cert in improvements and in accor- opportunity for the experts to give this new dance with the broad wishes expressed by slant nnd, therefore, I am seeking your the Estimates Commi:tee, the followihg indulgence and through you of this House schemes have been included in the Fourth to put forward this measure. I hope that, Plan for implementation : (I) imptOvement as a result of this measure, the new slant of library; (2) setting up of a conservation which all of us want to give to this Museum unit; (3) development schemes suggested by will be given so that it become~ a centre the Estimates Committee regarding display of modern ladian history, that it portrays of objects and procurement of scientific quite correctly the hopes and aspirations of equipment for preservation, including cellu- the masses of the people, particularly, the lose acetate papers; (4) preparation of struggle for f .- eedom, and that whatever standardised stock register and classified ojects of art arc there are properly looked catalogues; and (5) publication of guide after, maintained and exhibi•ed. books. I, therefore, hope thrtt this measure Some money has already been provided would be accepted by the Hoase. in the Budget in the current year and more will be allocated during the balance of the MR. CHAIRMAN: Motion moved : Fourth Plan. "That the Bill further to amend the Victoria Memorial Act, 1903, as passed It was felt that, in the manner in which by Rajya Sabha, be taken into consi- this Act was originally conceived, no quali- dNation.'' fications were r rovided for the membership of the Board. In this very short Bill it is *SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR said that the l\\ .J nominees of the Govl'rn· (Matburapur) : Mr Chairman, Sir, L was ment and the o her persons who are to be concerned about this nomenclature 'Victoria appointed by .. he trustees would all be memorial' even before the Hon. Minister of persons havin;-. expert knowledge uf the Education memioned about it. This name exhibits in the -'luseum, museologists, histo- recall:< to our minds those hateful and rians or art his Jrians. shamtful days o f the British rule in India. This name is a symhol of those days which we art' reminded of with a sense of humilia- Another pr· vision which this Bill seeks tion. to introduce is ·1at, instead of the pr .: sident being the Presic nt of the Board, the .-finis- fer in charge ol the Ministry of the \. entral Arter 25 years of Independence and Government co cerned with matters l ·;lating after . 2 years of the adoption of the Consti- to Victoria Me1 1orial shall be the pre"tdent. tution of India, this abnoxious nomenclature shoul. have been changed through an amend- This partie: ,u· measure has 1 lllsed ment m the Constitution. We are surprised certain misgivin s which has been ex1.:essed that this has not been done th:·ough all those in the other Ho :se and which, I am sure, years. This ought to have been done much would be wide!_ held in this House, also, earlier. I hope the Government will take and that is, n ~ard mg 1he name 'V·ctoria up th i,; matter at the earliest. We have Memorial'. I ' ;->u ]d like to clarify tn:tt it is amem'ed very intricate and controversial a name which c akes me feel very unnappy provi,:ons of 1he Constitution. I do not indeed as I had ;tated in the other H ouse. think ;h ,, t any Member of this House or of But, at the mon ent. Sir, it is a name which Rajya Sa bha will oppose the amendment occurs in List 1. of the Seventh Sched ale of in the CJnstitwion to change this obnoxious the Constitution, and I am having this name which on ly reminds us of our days of matter examined, wheti1er it would be subjugation aud the wo r~t days of British Colo aia rmerfa AUGUST 2], 1972 MtmorUl (Amdt.) Ml . 8 1 < [Shri Madhuryya Haidar) niattwn of which we were the victims. Only Mil. CHAIRMAN : I W s s about the minimum possible tin* will be required Tamra patra is not relevant. This Bill is amend the Constitution for this purpose about Victoria Memorial. tad this measure witl not meet with any opposition from any quarters. We have SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : I seen that the names of many roads in Cal­ am only citing the example. Her it is said : cutta and elsewhere in the country have been chanted and the statues of many “That in the opinion of foe Central British rulers have been removed. There* Government*’. Opinions differ, fore, changing the name of this memorial should not pose any problem. MR. CHAIRMAN : What is the use of going into Tamra Patra or any patra ? Coming to this Bill, Sir, in the first It is not relevant. Now you come to the amendment the word ‘President of India* BUI. occurring in the earlier Bill ha* been substitu­ ted by the words ‘the Ministry of the Central Government concerned with matters relating SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : to the Victoria Memorial'. There is nothing About the third amendment, Sir, it has been to object to this amendment because the stated inter-alia therein ‘shall be nominated President it guided by the advice given by by the Trustees.* We have objection to the Ministers, anyway. this word ‘nominated* again. The trustees will nominate the representatives to represent the general body of subscribers. This is not < As regards the seconda mendment, i.e., proper. There is no guarantee that such clause (d) I have to say, Sir, that ^according persons will represent the subscribers in the to this amendment only those persons who real sense. For example a member of Parlia­ ‘in the opinion' of the Central Government ment can be said to represent the Parlia­ have expert knowledge of the exhibits in ment That I can understand. But if an the Victoria Memorial or are musicologists, outsider who is not a member of Parliament historians or art historians wilt he nominated is said to represent the Parliament will, that by the Government. 1 have apprehension be proper ? Therefore, the subscribers about this term ‘in the opinion of the Go­ should choose their own representatives. vernment. This means that if the Government The provision of the Bill is not clear here. feels that some personss posses the necessary Why should the trustees nominate them ? qualifications they can be nominated by the I feel that the word ‘nominated* should be Government, he may be any Tom, Dick and substituted by the word ‘elected by the Harry. This matter of ‘opinion* is the vital subscribers.* This will be in keeping with thing. If in the opinion of the Central . democratic principle also. I hope the hon. Government they ars musicologists or histo­ Minister will agree to the suggestion based rians or art historians, they can be nomi­ on democratic principles, if he cares for nated though they may not have any know­ democratic values. ledge or qualifications in those lines. SHRI S. M. BANERJ6E (Kanpur) : I During the celebration of the Silver fully agree with the sentiments expressed by Jubilee of our Independence, some freedom my colleague who spoke before me. It is fighters of West Bengal were selected by the a tragedy, it is a sad commentary on our Government for being honoured through democracy, that still we have to tolerate the presentation of *Tamra Patras'. It was name of Victoria Memorial. Although I widely published in leading papers that msny do not come from Calcutta, I visit prominent and genuine freedom fighters Calcutta. There are thousands of have been left out of the list and as a result foreigners who go there and tafce they were not presented with these Tamra photograph of this memorial. Soma of Patras* Jt appeared that they were not them turn round and ask us : How is it eligible for this honour. This is an instance that you tolerate this photo erif this Uidy, a bow the Governments opinion works. relic of foreign imperialism, who bied yot*r JU Victoria ' IRAVANA 30, KM (SAKA) MemorM (Audi,) M 318 country whits ? W* *r» siwbte to give an and other literature of the terrorists, or answer. Sadi statues in other countries those whon the Britishers called tcrrorita and hare been removed. Even in Calcutta the freedom-fighters and martyrs should be the statue Of King George V was kept Instead of that, where are these things removed and those of the Army kept today 7 Perhaps, they may be kept Geaerah who bled oar country white were in the Lai Bazar Thana. I do not know all removed. But the statue of this lady whether they have been burnt. remains shining even today. I do not know what is the good in her. Is it because she Here is a golden opportunity to remove was a friend of India 7 Not at all. During that lady from there, her repulsive and her reign the maximum of mis-rule took repugnant face, and immediately she must place io India. She bled our country be replaced by the statues of our martyrs white. who bad shed the last drop of their blood for the sake of the country. I am sure, you, Mr. Chairman, will permit me to say that the worst massacre I would request the hon. Minister who took place in this country during her rule. is a product of the nationalist struggle, and It is my submission that this bated relic and who knows the subject well to consider symbol of British tyranny should be removed this matter. We are fortunate to ge* an lorthwith. Let it be kept in a museum if Education Minister who knows something at all it should be preserved* with a caption about education. 1 would request him to on its head : 4 *Here lies the relic of British associate renowned historians, and they Imperialism; she was responsible for blood­ should be possibly nominated on this parti­ shed in our country," cular committee. 1 have no objection if In reply to the debate in the other that is done. But I would only request the House the hon. Minister said that he would hon. Minister to con«ider one thing. I like to give a different slant but then there would like to suggest to him that we can are constitutional difficulties in the way follow what is done in the other countries. to remove the name. I think if there is any For instance, if we go to the Soviet Union, provision standing in the way, it should be we find that students are taken and they amended an^ both the Houses will only too are shown those places where the enemies gladly and r< adily agree to change the name, of the revolution were shot. Those pic­ Victoria Memorial. tures and paintings are all there ; there are also the pictures of those who had stood This can be a great museum where pain­ against communism. If we go to the Latin tings of grea leaders, martyrs of B ngal can American countries also, there also they be hung like C. R. Das, J. M. Sen Gupta, will show us pictures and paintings of Subhas Char Ira Bose, Jatin Das, all those those who wanted to rob their country. whom Briti hers used to call ‘terrorists’ but who real y terrorised the Britishers and Here, 1 take my hats off to the peace­ challenged the British Imperialism, with the ful people of Calcutta who have not help of their revolvers. What do we find removed the statue of Queen Victoria. We there ? Wnat are the paintmg> there 7 could remove her statue in Kanpur ; one One of the p timings is the battle of Plassy fine rrurning everybody found that instead where Mir J after is shown surrendering to of Queen Victoria's statue, the statue of Lord Clive. That photograph is still there. Gandhiji was there. We could remove it Thousands of people go there. very nicely without damaging the statue. A sinrWa thing could have been done long There is a suggestion by manv eminent ago at Calcutta also. Perhaps, the people artists and dramatists that it should be made of Calcutta must have been engaged in a national theatre. Articles have been other things all these days. written in the Jufan tar about this. I hope the hon. Minister will kindly get them trans­ I have no objection to this Bill, and let lated and rend them. There is a movement the constitution he amended, and let the going on in West Bengal that this should name he changed. I am sure the hon, be converted noto a national theatre. Some Minister will agree to this, i would request people say that this should be converted the hon* Minister to give us a definite into a national museum where the letters answer to this* question and say that the 319s r*tork i AUGUST 21, 1972 A*W<*/ (4m*.) [ Shri S. M. Banerjee ) constitution Will be amended and within one ting these things. In our country we have month, this Indy** statute is bound to be many eminent museologists, historians and moved from there. art historians whose assistance is readily available in this matter. Could not tha •SHRI C. T. DHANDHPANI (Dhara- Government think of utilising their services! puram): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to say The Government should endeavour to a few words on the Victoria Memorial procure things indigenously for this (Amendment) Bill. purpose. I am sure, Sir, that none in this House will express any doubt about the need to protect and to preserve the historically This is no doubt an important problem, important and valuable ancient literature but comparatively a minor problem. The and monuments. But, the Members of this people of Calcutta alone are intimately con­ House are bound to get the impression that cerned with this problem. 1 would request only after the Estimates Committee of this the hon. Minister not to misconstrue what House—of which you are presently the I am going to say as a Central-Stale issue. Chairman, Sir—had made certain recom­ I am sure that the hon. Minister will agree mendations in regard to maintenance and with me that the concerned Sta*e is much preservation of such precious things, which more aware of the kind of problems in regard to the maintenance and preservation have cultural and historical importance, that the Government thought of taking of things of historical importance. Hence, the Central Government, fortunately steps in that direction I got this endowed with all kinds of financial resour­ feeling when the hon Minister of Education ces, should give financial assistance to the stated that m due deference to the recommendations of the Estimates State Government in this regard. It is not Committee certain schemes had been incor­ only the Victoria Memorial which requires such financial assistance from the Centre, porated in the Fourth Five Year but there are any number of such histori­ Plan for the maintenance and preser­ cally important institutions which are in vation of Victoria Memorial which accord. need of immediate attention and financial ii\g to him has now developed into a period museum of considerable importance and assistance from the Centre. significance. I wish to remind him that there are many such equally important For example. Unstarred Question 2883 monuments scatteied throughout the Indian was raised by my hjn. friend, Shri J. M. sub-continent which requir; immediate Gowder, belonging to my party, the Oravida attention of the Government and it is also Munnetra Kazhagam, which reads as the sacred and bounden duty of the Govern­ follows ; ment to preserve them for posterity. “Will the Education Minister state the As my hon. friends who preceded me reasons for deferring the proposal of pointed out, the name ‘Victoria Memorial* formally declaring the TMSS Mahal is a standing reminder of the hated British Library, Thanjavur as an institution of Imperialism which was driven out of this national importance ; and country two and half decades ago. The hOn. Minister himself expressed the same the manner in which Government pro­ sentiments. But he stated that there was pose to assist the Library financially 7 some ticklish constitutional snagt which he promised to remove as early as possible, f The answer of the Education Minister wish to subm it that this name ‘Victoria is as rollows : Memorial* should be changed and this House would only be too glad to give its The State Government of Tamil Nadu approval for the constitutional amendment. has not agreed to the proposal of the Central Government that the constitu­ I understand that certain scientific equip- tion of the Board of Management of mentfor preservation ?of Victoria Memorial are the TMSS Mahal Library, Th*o|avur likely to be imported I do not know when declared and financially assisted whether we should take recourse to impor­ as An Institute of importance, should ...... •The original speech was delivered in Tamil* 321 Victoria UtmeHmt SRAVANA » • l8s4 (8 AKA) (Amdt.) Bill i n

be on the same lines as tbose of tho «w*ft mwrft tsrt * nsnf $1 Khuda Baksh Oriental Public Library Board. Patna. w WRfV froT $ TV gW141 if FCTT if *iht ftwr wn* (b) the matter is under consideration. jroflr *rnnpw» *r *n? 5<5E I refer to this because the Saraswathi m*r | irftsr «nrar | ftr %... Mahal Library is a treasure-house of ancient Sanskrit literature about Indian SHRI SURBNDRA MOHANTY culture* about science, about atom and (Kendra para) : There is no quorum in about ancient India's achievements in these the House. This is not the lunch recess. fields. It has also got innumerable palm- We had a greed to waive the rule for leaf inscriptions m Tamil which are of quorum during the lunch-honr only, but at great value and importance. When the other times, there should be quorum; some State G jvern n?nt ask for financial assis­ sanctity should be attached to this debate. tance from the Centre for the purpose of preserving and muntaining these invaluable and precious things, it is really regrettable MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Maha Deepak that the Centre should put forth certain Singh Shakya may resume his seat for a conditions ab'ut the constitution of the while. management board etc. Let the quorum bell be rung— MR. CHMRVfAN . The subject under discussion is the Victoria Memorial. Now, there is quorum. The hon. Mem­ ber may now resume his speech. SHRI C T. DHAND\PAN1 : The subject is only the question of assistance. I would request hon. Members to please I am not going out of relevance to the Btll. maintain quorum, so that the work may not When the Government have come forward stop and hon. Members who are speaking to taking steps for the preservation and may not be disturbed. maintenance of Victoria Memorial, nane of which snaicic* of our serfdom under the British, 1 want to request the Government »»5rota« w m p re fe r *£>- that they should come forward to assist financially nuny such institutions of cul­ tw, 5ft *t tnwif Jff | f t «r*rf »n», throughout the Indian sub-continent. fcfto fa firsuft % fprr srcfai fm With these words* 1 conclude. | ft. st f f 5?rnft ^ tw r t *rrar «ft fa? w w : fcsrf «f «r? fWtfwr cttw aft ipft f«n 11 swferq ^ % Pwi I, w* fcsrr 11 jv «in fortta ttctt g 1 wit *tf M«nf wm*t it wWW «n tar TTrTT $ nr, ?ft tor if «g*r % «r*r«r w m arm ftorr »nrr Srt n f t j w %ftx j f f , *rr mrr i *3% fiwrr «n: fmfit; 9^% •tt*t fiw % $ srrcft r t f im x t f i t o % ftp* W hr* t o fiwr *r «r«wr nn 1 # »kj % I i!?BTfiwif | ftf w W N *^ v t u ro r % 51? I n % >ftii m t , w w «n>*tar v i t "I* f • «n* T|W 1 1 w Sf m %: 323 Victoria AUGUST 24, %*72 MworiiH (AmZt.) MU m

[WT vr^T<5TW r a f W*TJ Objection was railed by my boo. friend, Shri M, Haider, about the Chairman. Since *%wr (») % w n is responsible to this House becomes the wtf?f '— Chatrmao.

(«r) wfwmaff w^n»rfrm SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR: *ur%f>rfaw *t% % fat* Whether it is the Chairman or the Minister in charge. 5«TR% % fwr *ntfta?T Wr5 Harbour): That is advice by your the toT | «ftr *rA-for wffalr tit political allies. ^ftO tit *r?*n# 11 **rarr w spit«T t? w i f e * w srro eirr* f tw 11 PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I leave it to my friend Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu to think $*r *rr^ g ftr n*$fe spr erc^tarpr * tfte it over. ** *fofeff *> *>& % fan; « PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I have Then, I am sorry I cannot agree with very little to reply to really. The mam the view that has bates expressed that it objection has been about the name. I have should be converted into a theatre. I think already submitted that I want to change the it should remain a mUseum, but it should be whole slim of the Museum and I share the given a new content, and it should be deve­ aenHmeots of the House. loped accordingly* US Vkteria Memorial SRAVANA 30, 1894 0R4JM) St. Hew. A IJS.Co. {Taking 326 {AHtdt.) Bill oyer o f management) BUI SHRI DINefc BHATTACHARYYA MR. CHAIRMAN ; The question i t : (Serampore): What harm U there if you erect a stage there 7 “That the Bill further to amend the Victoria Memorial Act, 1903, as passed SHRI $. Ml. BANERJEE : Yon can by Rajya Sabha, be taken into have a theatre where only plays in respect consideration/*1 of the fteedbm fighters and political plays are stated. The motion was adopted.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : As regards MR. CHAIRMAN: There are no the protection of historical objects* 1 am in amendments. The question is ; full agreement with my hon. friend Shri Dhandapani. As the House would recall, "That clause 2 stand part of the Bill only this morning, I have introduced a Bill with the leave of the House which seeks The motion was adopted. precisely to bring about this protection. Clause 2 was added to the Bill . He referred to the imports of objects. The Riles of the Government are very firm. Clause /, the Enacting Formula and the Anything which is available id the country Title were added to the Bill. cannot be imported from outside. Only those things which are not available in the country and which are nevertheless consi­ PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I move: dered to be essential for the country are permitted to be imported* and ray hon “That the Bill be passed, friend can rest assured that nothing which is available in the country can be imported. MR CHAIRMAN : The question is : 1 would like to go into the question of cellulose acetate myself. As has been “That the Bill be passed.’* pointed out, it was not being manufactured m India until sometime ago when I was connected a little more directly with educa­ The motion was adopted. tion. Bot if it is now available, quite obviously we will use it, which has been produced locally, because the Estimates Committee’s wishes have to be fulfilled. 16*40 hr*

Regarding the reference to the Saraswati STATUTORY RESOLUTION RE. Mahal Library, I am in entire agreement DISAPPROVAL OF INDIAN IRON with my hon. friend that it is a national AND STEEL COMPANY treasure and even though there may be a (TAKING OVER OF MANAGE­ difference of opinion between the State MENT) ORDINANCE Government and the Union Government as & to what is the best way of organising the governing body, the Central Government INDIAN IRON AND STEEL should give financial assistance immediately COMPANY (TAKING OVER so that the preservation of the manuscripts OF MANAGEMENT) BILL is not delayed. The other discussions can continue, wNHntfW (tfnftt) :

The point that I have mentioned about * s w w v tjtt •$ " f * ^ historical objects in general also applies to wwr TT«?

With these few words, I move that the (inr*r spr) swrrfcr 1972, (1972 wr Bill be taken into consideration. 6) fci” 327 St. Rean. & /./.S. C*. AUGUST 2!, W72 (Taking* over of Managemnt) Bill 228 [*ft to * *rro«i*r rncT^ % m s %$x\ ^ ^ 3sn>t sra*>i s r ^ fwrarr i *rr*nr ^ft> «rf% ^ *nra «n5> |W ** **' ^ wayrfa «r$l > %HT ^ 0 ; ftf !rfe w ti ^T^T^rr ^ ftftsrfjRr ff^rt % ansntorsro v m 5ft $*r ^r% «nft % * m sjra wr $, sra% w ft *r f » w i ^ r «rr?r irk vn^r *n*i *r TOf pprnrfhr ^ * *FTCJft % ftrro t jf’ft % *r$r I : fcsqTsftwfrfcTwrt*?*?* 4 -6 5 sr%

5PT11 *r? ^sfrtrrt Snrr fHC grr ‘'G overnm ent therefore decided to take over the m anagem ent o f the undertaking *ras|Jte ?ft n» 5Prrr% m *mftere for a lim ited period of two years to | »jk aw ra r m I at *t€r secute the proper m anagem ent of the iwis i» nff waft ft wmrR firs C o m p a n y , ” Sf to t 'pr ^fr |, o t nrt *t * 5* What are the reasons ? That may be Tjpf «r w r »f«r trflW tz f fw r f , csrter wtptt f?«n »wr 1965-66 *r, t t ’ftt am *r wrwft wftra ftrtpsw * *re ft w Sf Prr?en: m sr 4r? itrc *?r t | $ %fa* «ft v t o f ?> «RRft r ft t «nrrerrc>r? ***& Ir *f w i t % urnrr *r?err g i n § i aw *rc*rc «rrft fwra x n ^ t «ft. 5*tnr frr grwrw 1967-68 if ftm% % arr? «rf? Pp^V « i 4566 |3 t it t t i 1971-72 * 4543 v rz r vr%r ft srrar«m ’fT i *r gwrw rft 11 %fa* to It fa r armr 'rr?jrr g fa ftraf^ f^>w tfr 11 1968-69 % w p ?' c^rtjr § #7 ^ ?rr f«ra% stfertr arw »m % i w *ft mzr «rr tfk 1971-72 3m ?5T s r iW R t % w j- s» srf snfaar*rsr arr^r *ppptc % fen OTT 65 ^ 70 afa^wr r | fa fa* w p t **nn w rest *? t ’»rq‘ eft « r tn f a w « f? ft wmt* 3.2 ftrftnR % wmra 11 »rt sftr 5«

trk®rrm apprrc 50%fcmc f w I , *? «prtt S»* n # 11 85 'Wq s% w , srfawsr ?€tw % 3wrw *f ^fe ff i n>Hr % tfrtr srfaw v t w fr ^ t $ i irft ®>g «raft5kt ft nr ew rnw arcrftft ft wrrenr frorc wr< 11 ^ sft ®ts fcr | m ^fwsr ffw *k ft, ** am % m »p?t ftTerr trh 5»rit «r?r if «uj i £weifsr mfckt # tf*Rr *r firo«re *rrf ark ft»r wmsr qst mm * srfer«ra- | f I, wtp t ?t # srfroa' arcrMt »t annpr 11 gfircra arw t aft t *arer T a ft| % * t f it w to t and Steel Company, were the two companies producing steel even in pre-war days. The TTitt ^rf^tr ftp *f 3 3 * t rated capacity of Indian Iron was brought mfatff w r ?>ft, fro jw t % arot up to one million tonnes after expansion in nn 1953 and 19S5 Indian Iron is a company * t ««rr ?#t?r s?nr * t *ra»> «fte Art which has a total subscribed equity capitel of Rs. 24.88 crores. It has also got prefe­ JWIT % OTTIW «TfT%

“That the Bill to provide for the taking The position, so far as Indian is con­ over of the management of the under­ cerned, is that from 1963-64 onwards there taking of the Indian Iron and Steel baa been, tn a sense a steady deterioration Company Limited for a limited period in production, 1963-64 saw Indian Iron in the public interest and in order to produce one million tonnes of steel ingots secure the prope? management of the and 010,000 tonnes of saleable ateel. That undertaking, be taken into consideration.” dropped in 1964-65 slightly to 950,000 tonnes of ingots and 755,000 tonne* of Before. making my submission* to tfria salable ateel. But by the time we reached fo u fe mty I Brat, of all thank ftr, Pandey* 19?&?UJit dropped to 07,000 f t r m support ttum he has given tn we ingot* end 523,600 tonneg of sateMe jrteeL S$5 St. fUm. & U .S . Co. AtfQUST 21* W 2 (Taking wer Management) B//J 536 {Shri S. Mohan Kumaramsngalam] 1971-72 saw a further drop to 617,000 tonnes in waiting till the Annual General Meeting of ingots and to 500,000 tonnes of salable which ordinarily would be held sometiure eteel. That was the position so far as the September or so where we could probably period upto >971 was concerned. have mobilised more than a majority of votes in order to take over the management Hon. Members will appreciate that the ourselves ? We thought that the situation decision to take over the management of was critical enough and, 1 think, the House IfSCO was taken after the end of the will also agree with the Government in the financial year 1971-7?. It was taken because decision that it come to that the situation if we take the figures of 1971*72, the last was critical enough and demanded imme­ quarter, the production was 1,43.300 tonnes diate intervention. And that is why we inter­ of ingots and 1,24,617 tonnes of salable vened immediately. steel. The first quarter of 1972-73, that is, April, May and June, 1972, gave us pro* The House will, of course, be anxious duction 91,029 tonnes and 69,197 tonnes of to know how it is that If SCO was reduced salable steel. That is a drop of 36 per cent to such a poor state because there have in the production of ingots and a drop of been quite a number of statements coming 43 per cent in the production of salable from different quarters implying that the steel a precipitous drop. main reason for the deterioration in the IISCO was let me use a mild expression In order to convey my ideas very clearly again—due to lack of cooperation from to the House, I would like to give a com* labour. But the assessment of Government parison. Supposing wt had continued to after going into the matter, both before and produce at the same rate for the whole of more so even in detail after the take-over. 1972-73 as we produced in the first quarter is that it was really due to neglect of main- of 1972.73, we would produce 8,364,116 tenance over quite a long period, non-rep­ tonnes of ingots and 276,788 tonnes of lacement of equipment* lack of modernisa­ salable steel compared to an already low tion because Indian Iron is an old plant, figure for 1971-72 of 617,000 tonnes of in* and of course, to some extent, disturbed fots and 300,000 tonnes of salable steel. industrial relations. Hon. Members will appreciate, therefore, that when I say that there was a disastrous hrs* drop in production, as between the last 17 quarter of 1971-72, that is, 1st January to The most dangerous area so far as 31st March, 1972 and the first quarter of Indian Iron is concerned was really the 1972-73, that is, 1st of April to 30th June, coke-ovens. We have got five batteries in 1972, 1 am not using very strong language Indian Iron batteries 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9. at all. On the contrary, my hon. friend, Unfortunately, only batteries 7, 8 and 9 Mr. Hiren Mukerjee would have rightly were working and out of these batteries 7, used much much strongee language in a and 9, battery number 7 was also in a situation like this. But I have still to learn 8 from him in a matters of this character. 1 do very bad condition. The Government Directors on the Indian Iron we have four, say that it was a very very serious situation namely, the Secretary of the Steel Depart- Which ultimately compelled the Government meat, Mr. Sarin, the Chairman of Hindus­ to interfere and take over the management. tan Steel, Mr. Bhaya, the Chairman of Bokaro Steel, as well as a representative of Dr. Pandeya said that we should have the Life Insurance Corporation, the Zonal done it earlier. That is a matter of opi- Manager, Mr. Sohoni had been urging JiiOto. it 4s not necessary to go into it now. inside the Board itself that speedy action What 1 seek to do today is to justify the ahould be taken to bring bade to life both teflon oT (he Government in taking it over batteries numbers 5 and 6, which had been on the day that we actually did. Hon. banked* In fact, bcttery number 5 hat Members will appreciate that this really come into operation after a few days after meant that the Government was faced with the take over. But as a result cf neglect of a dilemma. Was the situation deteriorating coke-ovens which, of course, is not a feature in suck a way that it required Immediate fliat it eotefy an fyk&m Iron feature, w* intervention or not or would we ftp justified kad • Mriou ttM ti* w ftr « waMAft*

339 S/. Xesn. * Z/.$.Cb* AUGUST *1, 1972 {Taking over o f Mamgment{ BUI 340 tSteri S. Mohan Kumaramangalam ] virtually it would have meant the closure of tk>n of the Company, on a remunera­ our wagon*building industry. After the tion of Rs. 12,500 a month for a period of take-over we have been able to bring that five years with effect from 4th April 1970. particular section back into operation and X Not only that. A number of different con­ think this is a substantial improvement. tracts also were entered into with Martin Bum. They were appointed as registrars of Indian Iron; they were appointed to look Now, to give hon Members the figures after the security arrangement of the com­ of production which, I am sure, they will be pany's head office at Calcutta on a remune­ anxious to have, the position so far as sale­ ration of Rs. 7500. 11SCO were asked to able steel is concerned, from the 1st of July pay a Tent of Rs. 8 lakhs for the use of the to 15th of July, that is, before take-over, premises of Martin Burn in Calcutta itself. the production was 6409 tonries, and from Martin Burn was to provide the services of the 15th July to 31st July (after take-over)— the Cash Department for 1ISCO, as though the production is 10490 tonnes, and 1st to 11 SCO itself was not capable of providing to 15th August it is 11994 tonnes. So far such a service. IISCO entered into pool as in go(s steel is concerned, for the whole service arrangements with all other partici­ Of July we produced 23, 789 tonnes of ingot pating companies which earlier on had Martin steel and till August 20, that is, upto yester­ Burn as their managing agents. Under this day, we have produced 23984 tonnes. That arrangement, llSCO was drawing on the is in 20 days we have surpassed the total services of part of the departments of Martin production for July 1 am not putting these Burn and Company, esen though it had its figures forward in an attempt to show that Departments. we are over the hump in HSCO. We are own not. We are far from that because even if That is why under thi*. Ordinance as it we produce, let us say, somewhere in the were, all contracts have been terminated region of 30,000 to 35,000 tonnes of sale­ which were contracts by which management able steel, we will be only reaching a total had been handed over by means of any production in the year somewhere around other concern. 4 lakh tonnes which is a miserable produc­ tion and which we cannot at all be satisfied SHRI INDRAJiT GUPTA (Alipore) : I only want to satisfy hon Member because When this Bill is passed, will those contracts it is my duty to attempt to at least satisfy to which the Minister referred stand automa­ them that the Government is taking the tically terminated, or will the Government •ituation very seriously and is trying to do only have the power to terminate 7 the best that we can under these circums­ tances. SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- GALAM : If you look at the Bill itself you will see this. It refers to any contract Before 1 close, just ope or two remarks whether express or implied or other arrange­ I would like to make about the Bill itself ment in so far as it relates to the manage­ Hon, Members must have noticed a parti­ ment of the business and affairs of the cular clause in the Bill, I think it is clause company in relation to it its undertaking 3 sub-clause (3), where we have dealt with and in force immediately before the appoin­ the question of contracts in relation to the ted day, and it shall be deemed to have management, that is to say, the managerial terminated the the oppointed day. The contracts that are set aside. The reason is question of the Government taking power that the hon Members known that Martin to terminate the contract does not arise. Burn were the Managing Agents right upto 4th April 1970. Now, after the 4th of April, At I understand it this it the position. with the abolition of the Managing Agency Ultimately the courts will decide as to what system, the company is being managed by a it the interpretation of law. At I under­ Board o f Director under the chairmanship stand it, lit I want it to be, and what of Shri Biren Mukerji, But in a rftttor Government intends, there it automatically interesting manner, which 1 believe, it not termination of contracts whether expressed uncommon in industry to-day, the Boa*# of or implied or other arrangements. We use Directors appointed Martin $ura at, the a wider expression, namely, it so far at it Secretariat of the Company to carry on relates to tbe maoagement of the bu«nes# the managerial and day>to-day administra- and affairs of the company. 341 St. JUS*. A U S . Co. SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) (Taking over of 342 Management) Bill We have limited the language, because answer to han. Members is that it is two otherwise, any contract might possibly be years in order to decide what to do It Is inolnded and that might disrupt to ordinary not two years for any other purpose. I commercial transactions of the company, made it very dear even when I explained to whtcb was not the aim of the introduction tbe press at the time of the take-over that of this clause at all. What is referred to Government certainly does not envisage here is, a contract in so far as it relates to handing back the management to the pre­ the manegement of the business and affairs vious management ...... of the company. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 1 hope that clears to point (hat my hon. Harbour) : A court of wards. friend raised. SHRI S. MOHAN K.U MARA MAN- 1 was just at the stage of mentioning to GALA M : We do not thmk that Govern* the House that the Board of Directors had ment or the financial institutions which own also decided that a Committee of Directors altogether 49.35 per cent of the shares consisting of Romen Mukherjee and B. P. should hand back the management to a « Ray would manage the day to day affairs group which controls less than one per oent of the company. This they did by means of the shares, because according to the of a resolution. Therefore, in effect that present information that Government has mananaging agents went out of the right got, the Mukerjee gioup does not control door, but, as it were, they came back by the even one per cent for the shares; so, it left door by means of these various contracts would not {be proper to go on having the and arrangements and so on. And, one tail wagging the dog for all time; sometimes, group, namely, the Martin Burn Group the dog also should wag the tail, and that continued to keep their control of the is the purpose ...... company. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Before 1 would not comment whether it was 1976, before the elections, they will make a good or bad. 1 am only stating the facts. handsome donation, and then they will hand It is necessary for me when 1 come before it over. the House to justify the introduction of this particular clause. This is, in a sense, some­ what of a special clause which you do not SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- find in the various different pieees of legisla­ MANGALAM: At least, the hon. Member tions that have been brought before the should be glad about it that... House when we took over any particular SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am organisation. very happy . But why not nononalise it 7 Therefore, these are the reasons which SHRI S. MOHAN RUMARAMAN- prompted us. ( think, hen. Members will GALAM : Let my hon. friend hold on appreciate how important it is that we for a minute. Let him just applaud once should have brought in this particular for his life, and that will do him good also. clause. But, let me continue. 17.14 hi*. (SHRI R. D. BhanoaRE in the Chair ] we wanted these powers in order to be able to decide what exactly we should do. Dr Laxrairaaraio Pandeya—though he is Hon. Members might feel that it would be not here to bear what I have got to say an extermely, if you will excuse me using about the matter; I think I had better answer that expression, revolutionary step to acquire him because other hon. Members may be the whole thing lock, stock and barrel, but having this point in their minds also—had then they will also appreciate that in the also raised tbe question as to why we should Constitution, under which we operate at is do it only for a limited period of two present, whether my hon. friend likes it or years, and he asked why only two years, , not, he also operates under it, the position why not twenty years or why not five years is ,tbat compensation would have to be paid *nd so an, and he askc^t what was sacred or for the shares of those which we take over signified i» this period of isfo ,yeam. My or for the concern as a whole, We do not M3 St. Ken. A Ll.S.Ca. AUGUST 21, 1972 (Wctat mtr of MatUfmeHt) BUI 344 (Shu S. Motion Kumirmangatam] think that there ts any purpose in our MR. CHAIRMAN*: Motion moved : entering m(o this countroversy at the moment. We think that it is better that we “That the Bill to provide for the should start operating this company under taking over of the manegement of the the management of the Government itself, undertaking of the Indian Iron and Steel and then as days pass by, we will assess Comany Limited for a limited period from the point of view of the country which in the public interest and m order to is the best way by which ultimately Govern­ secure the proper management of the ment management as it were may be made undertaking, be taken into considera­ permanent But I would like to assure the tion". House that there is absolutely no question of the management of this company going SHRI ROBIN SEN (Asansoi) I would ost of the hands of the Government and have welcomed this Bill, had there been a back into the hands either of the erstwhile provision in the Bill nationalising the management or of any other future private company. The hon Minister of Steel management that may rest its greedy eyes attributed the reason for the taking over of on 1ISCO. It is merely a question of time this company to mismanagement and fall in in order to be able to decide what would be production The production in this company the most appropriate form. started declining ever since 1964 65, and the production declined steadily during 1970-71 and 1971-72. Hon Members will also appreciate that we have a certain difficulty in the sense that The gradual deterioration of plant, a considerable amount of money wtll have equipment and machinery due to hick of to be invested in HSCO m order to make it proper maintenance and replacement led to come up to the rated capacity of a million a fall m production from 10 lakh tonnes in tonnes As at present estimated, for the 1963-64 to 6 lakh tonnes in 1971-72 The plant rehabilitation itself which will enable actual production came down to about 20- it to come to one million tonnes, the various 25 per cent of its rated capacity. But in repairs that will have to be undertaken, the this period, the profit increased from Rs. rebuilding of the coke ovens and so on, it 3 2 crores to Rs 3 6b crores, that is by will cost us somewhere in the region of Rs about 65 laktis between 1969 and 1971. I crores. Then, there is othei pioject of will quote certain figures to show the huge expanding I1SCO from one to 1 3 million profits they have assessed from 1958 to tonnes, and that will, according to the 1971 Issued and subscribed capital inc­ company original estimate, take us anything reased from Rs 7 82 crores to Rs 27 58 from Rs. 60 crores and more When one crores, of which Rs 8 20 crores only Is sees that the paid-up capital is m the region actually paid in cash Reserves went up of Rs 24 odd crores, obviously investment from Rs 6.16 crores to Rs 42.44 crores ; of, let us say, something between Rs 80 and the total amount of dividend paid to share­ Rs. )00 crores is going to change the balance holders comes to over Rs. 23 71 crores. of the position inside the company is it­ self. It ts because we wanted to finally Surely, this profit was minted by sheer come to a conclusion, after studying it, exploitation of the workers. The wages of about what would be the most appropriate the workers were the lowest m the steel form of organisation for the running of the industry. About 97 per cent of the workers IISCO with the least loss from the point of used to get only Rs. 61 to Ra, 133 per view of the State and the country that we month as basic wage. This was priot to the have taken these two years, and we propose last agreement. There were two members within that time to come to a final conclu- representing Government on the board of non and obviously that will mean coming directors. About 50 per cent of the shares back to this House. of this company are held by the Govfcrn- ment-controlled public financial institutions. I think hon. Members do appreciate I do not understand why m spite of this, that by and large there has bean welcome the Steel Minister allowed the condition of throughout the country about this dtfcition the phmt to deteriorate and indulge in hoge of the Goverftmdot, and therefore, I would lots of induction when for want of steel, commend this BUI for the consideration of production hi industries was suflfering. * the House. want to know from him why this delay. 345 Si. Rem. & l.LS.Co, SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) (Tricing over o f Management) m i 346

The plant should have been taken over were being carried out by contract labourers earlier. which only damaged the plant. I want that tbis contract labour system should be Secondly, 1 do not understand why the abolished and they should be made perma- takeover is only for two years. People nent with continuity in tbeir service. must know what is the intention of the Government. As we know even in the Sir, 1 know that within the capitalist textile industry, not even a single sick mill system no basic change is possible by mere could be put to its full operation even after taking over or even by nationalising a few the required renovation within two years. industries. Nonetheless, we support this Steel is a heavy industry and its spare parts step, but while supporting it, we do insist ar.d machineries are not available in the that steps must be taken to democratise the country. So what can we expect of the management. Dependence on the bureauerats two years 1 Is it the intention of Govern­ must end. The workers* genuine grievances ment to fleece the tax payers by injecting should be attended to, and the workers more public money into the plant just to should be taken into confidence in running tide over the difficulties of the company the plants, and the workers' elected repre­ and then hand it over back to Sir Biren ? sentatives should be taken into the manage* ment. SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- GALAM : May 1 request him to remember I concluding, I would like to ask the what 1 said just five minutes ago and that Government, how long they will pursue the is not the intention of Government ? policy of investing public money in the losing concerns or the sick mills, the mills SHRI D1NFN BATTACHARYYA : which have been made sick by the private He is speaking is an individual. owners after suquandering money and SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- reducing them to Junks. Why those mills GALAM : No. I am speaking on behalf which are still viable should not be nationa* of Government. liied ? Why the monopoly concerns where huge public money is invested should also not be nationalised without any compensa­ SHRI ROBIN SFN : Sir, our tion ? In this connection, I would demnnd doubt on this score is strengthened not both I1SCO and TISCO should be when we find that some of the top nationalised so that steel which is indispens­ officers of this company who arc respon­ able for the country's industrial growth may sible for mismanagement and fall in pro­ not be under the control and whims of a duction have been entrusted to running of few monopolists. the mill even after taking»over. One Mr. N. R. Dutta, who was Deputy Manager 17.29 hr*. production under Sir Biren and during whose pejiod the production started dec­ [SHRI K. N. TwARY in the Chair]. lining. has been elevated to the post of General Manager. This N, R. Dutta is •ft wtiffeg wWt a person in the inner coterie and in the confidence of Sir Biren. Was this selection «rfa fafror % 5f*«w made to help Sir Biren to retain his control v i i i h cj* sitof over the industry even after taking over of * s* far twr w m the company T I request the Steel Minister *»

MR, CHAIRMAN: Please continue meeting to decide whether a micro-biology tomorrow. There is a half*an*hour dis­ section of a bio-chemistry department should cussion to be raised by Shri Samar Guha. be divided from that body section. Though an engineer is also a scientist, he will not be 17.10 hrs. asked to do it because he is not competent to take discussion in the matter. HALF-AN -HOUR DISCUSSION DECENTRA USATION OF GBOLoar- This committee on Science and Tech­ nology was composed of two physicists and cAL Survey of India an engineer, not a single reputed geologist or SHRI SAMAR GUttA (Contal) : The geo-hydrologist nor a representative from decision to dismember the Geological Sur­ the GSI was there. Experts who have no vey of India will immediately affect the knowledge of geology or geo-hydrology future of over a thousand employees of GSI presided over the fate of this organisation fifty per cent of them very immediately, and they decided that this should be dis* although the hon. Minister had assured them membered. Strangely, there was nobody that none of them would have to repent from the GSI in this committee. their being in the GSI, and that they would be in the other organisation. There is an They prepared a draft and at the stage overtone of politics in it and the scrutiny of final consideration of that dtaft the of the whole thing reveals some things. Chairman of that committee invited the There is the possibility of many employees Director of the GSI in a letter dated being declared surplus, many b;ing January 29, 1971 and said : “The commit­ demoted. There are mwy uncertainties. tee at its last meeting held on IB January I am not arguing from that standpoint but 1971 decided that a small group be set up from a much higher level. This is on; consisting Shri B. K. Subramamya, Dr. of the oldest central organisations, ra>re Kidwai, Dr. Sethna and yourself to go than a century old, built through many through the final draft report of the com­ decades and m ny efforts mittee on GSI and make suggestions and The decision to dismember it is unscienti amendments so that the amended draft fie, arbitrary, irregular, detrimental to the might be placed before the commutec”. Interest of many other Ministries and it is The Director of Geological Survey only even against the convention of parliamen­ attended the first meeting. As his opinions tary practice; probably it oa unconsti­ were against the opinions of that committee tutional too. 1 have volumes of material to justify all the accusations but unfortunately the Chairman of that committee did some­ thing extraordinary. I have got the pho­ my position is like that of a lawyer who tostat of letters. The Chairman took a most defends in the upper court a person awar­ unscientific, most irregular and most ded death penalty in a lower court, who fantastic decision— he requested the has to justify that the death penalty is n:>t Director of GSI in this letter not correct, but who has only ten minutes to to attend the final meetings of the argue out his case. 1 used the word un* scientific because of this reason. committee when the final draft was to be considered and decision taken whether GSI A committee was set up, Committee on will foe dismembered or not. Here is an Scientific Research to go into the issue GSI extraordinary step. The Director was a god decide whether it should be retained regular member of the sub committee and as it is^or should be divided into two parts. he was invited to attend the meetings of Subsequently the work of that committee was the sub-committee, But after attending one taken over by another committee, the Com­ meeting, he was requested not to attend the mittee on Science and Technology, known final meetings when a final deci&ion was to ms coat which came to the conclusion that it be taken. A letter wa* issued by the Chair* should be divided and that a major part or man of the committee Asking him not to at least fifty per cent of it should go to the attend the committee meetings. I quote : Central Ground tyater Board, 1 was astonished at the composition of “You »re member at this ^committee. (hit committee. An engineer is a scientist; Since the committee is in its final ttage « biochemist is also a scientist. But an and all the feet* that you wanted to engineer will not be asked to preside over a bring before it «ie in tbe procew of 349 ttemtrufafitlM SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAXA) C M {ff.A.ff. Bite.) 350

being communicated to Oik oommittee, *‘It is the duty of the OS! to provide May ! suggest that this committee should the fundamental grohydrotogical know­ discuss the GSI report and of the ledge to regard to the country in the various viewpoint* freely and without form of appropriate maps and reports, constraints. I would be very grateful so that in various contexts further prac­ If you also agree with me in this view tical actions can be taken in regard to and refrain from attending the final development activities. An integrated meetings of the committee to enable coordinated approach among the basic them to come to the conclusion.0 geological, geophysical and geochemical surveys and geohydrological studies and engineering geology is very essential**. It is an extraordinary letter. It is extra­ ordinary that a letter can be written by the Chairman debarring a member from attend* The report further records : mg the meetings. If a person is banged, if you give a verdict like that, be should have “A comprehensive approach which will some scope to explain why he should not take vote of basic geology and a variety be hanged and argue his case. OSI is going of problems and uses is very essential to be dismembered, The Director is a regu­ and this responsibility the GSI must lar member of that committee. It is extra­ discharge effectively.” ordinary that the Chairman of the commit­ tee writes a letter to the Director saying, Those who suggested the dismemberment “You are requested not to attend so that of GSI were not exports. Here is an expert we can h a v e a clear and unconstrained view committee of the Government which has of the r c p o i t of t h e committee,” 1 place suggested that it should not only be both these letters on the Tabic.* retained but it should be strengthened.

M R. CH AIRM AN : They will be sent The central Irrigation Commission that to the hon Speaker for his perm ission. I was set up by this Parliament had submit­ ted a report in the month of April 1972. cannot allow it now . At pages 285*286 they have stated ; SHRI SAMAR GUHA : If not for any- “...... we have given serious thoughts to other reason, for this reason that the Chair­ these grounds and regret that, in our man's conduct was unscientific, irregular, opinion, they do not bear scrutiny. The extraordinary and fantastic and on the basis GSI is, after all, only a department of of the recommendation of this committee the Union Government and it is given the Cabinet took the decision that of a specific task by the Government to be GS1 should be dismembered or divided, the completed within a specified period very basis of it has to be challenged. There* there is no reason to suppose that the fore, I think the minister should take into GSI would not carry out the task, if consideration that this is an impossible adequate staff and funds are provided. proposition that a member can be debarred We are of the opinion that the GSI is from attending the meetings of a committee the most suitable organisation to han­ of which he was regular member, dle the work involved in prospective for ground water resources. It is the The 126th Report of the Estimates highest scientific and technical organisa­ Committee said that an expert committee tion in the country dealing with ground should be constituted to go into the affairs water exploration as a part of its nor­ of GSI and accordingly an expert commit­ mal functions. During the past 100 tee consisting of eminent geologists, geo- years it has acquired specialised scienti­ hydrologist and geophysicist was formed. fic and technical expertise* and has That committee categorically stated that built up a large and highly qualified GSI is doing a very useful work and there body of officers whose specialisation is is no question of dismembering that body; geology,. . There is no comparable it should be retained. I quote from the organisation in the country which has report of this technical committee : the necessary expertise in geological ♦The Speaker net having subsequently accorded the necessary permission, the paper* .were not treated as laid on the Table* 35! Decentrabatian of AUGUST 21, 1971 GAA (If.AM, ifrfi,} 35JT fShri Samar Guha] and geophysical and other specialised within the exclusive power of Parliament equipment for groundwater prospecting. to make law. Without making any enact­ Its laboratories and libraries and sophis­ ment, simply by executive order they can­ ticated instruments are naturally availa­ not dismember it. This is also likely to be ble to the geologists engaged in a pr« s- challenged. pecting for any mapping ground water resources. . Finally, by giving wrong information the Union Government has been misled Tbey have categorically opposed the idea of by the Cost Committee. Therefore, dismemberment. my reqjjU to ths G jvsrntnu is to stop the execution of this order and appoint There was an international seminar in a fresh reviewing committee to go into the Delhi in last September in which Dr. K L. reports of all the expert committees and Rao not only opposed this but he said that make a final recommendation. Before that it will be a “scientist’s sin" to dismember such an unscientific, irregular and arbitrary this organisation. Unfortunately, he could decision should not be taken to dismember not attend the Cabinet meeting when this the G.S.l. the century-old and very effective decision was taken. scientific body of our country.

I would also say that the Planning Cell SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU : (Dia­ of the Commission alsa opposed it. They mond Harbour) : Mr Samar Guha made said that the GSI should not be dismme- a few points. He, perhaps, missed the bered. point that Dr. B. D. Nag Chowdhury had to toe the line of Haroors in New Delhi. The GSI is providing data, facts, statis­ Otherwise, he would no longer be in emp­ tics, not only for the use of agricultural loyment. He had to take recourse to such department but for all other Ministries like methods. Ministry of Health, Ministry of Railways, Ministry of Irrigation and Power, Dipart- I would like to know whether it is a ments of Shipping and Housing on flood fact that in so far as the question of cons­ control, dem construct! )n and mmy other titution of the Committee on Science and problems. For agricultural purposes you Technology (COST) is concerned, Shri M.S. require data only for drilling tube wells. Balasundaram, Director-General, Geological For that they have a special organisation, Survey of India, the only scientist from the the Exploratory Tube-well Organisation for field of geology in the said Committee and drilling purposes. If the whole of the who can be considered as chief scientist in function of survey and mapping of the the field of geology, was not present in the hydrological structure of the country is first meeting of COST and that he, however, given to Agriculture Ministry, the other atteneded the second meeting and gave his Ministries will suffer because biased priority dissenting opinion. will be given to Agriculture Ministry. I would also like to know whether it is Lastcly, it is not only improper but it a fact ihat Dr. K. L. Rao, the Union is against the constitutional provisions also. Minister of Irrigation and Power and an internationally reputed specialist in Water When a commission was constituted by this House, before the report of that commis­ resources expresred his categorical views sion was considered by this House, how against the decision of the Cabinet. could the government take the decision to dismember it when that commission catego­ Also, whether the Irrigation Commission rically said that it would be wrong to dis­ set up by the Government of India to go Into member that body. the irrigation aspects and into t ie appraisal of groundwater and surface water resources, under the chairmanship of Shri Ajit Prasad Lastly, It is against the provisions of the Jain, with representatives from different Constitution. Under article 245 and entry States categorically opposed the decision to Ho. 69 of the Union List, the national sur­ transfer groundwater, mapping and survey vey department including the GSI comes Irons the G.JM. to the CGWB and teeom- 3SU D*cto*nAtoM>k o f SRAVANA 30, 1894 (S4KA) C. £ I. (HAM Disc.) 354

Bonded the review of the decision and I would like to know from the hon. retention of the work in O.S.I. and even Minister whether it is a fact that the strengthening of ths Wing. Director-General of G. S. L, the only spe­ cialist and who was a member of the )• it also a fact that the Panel on Water particular Committee which decided tbe Resource* of the Planning Commission on fate of this under the chairmanship of Dr. l?th September, 1971 in their Final Report B D Nag Chowdhury for whom f have t0 the Planning' Commission bad recom­ got the greatest regard, was asked to mended that the G S I. should continue refrain from attending the final meeting of groundwater activities and that even for the the Committee to enable him to come to a Fourth Plan period an additional Rs. 2 conclusion, f want to know how far this crores should be allocated to the G S I for is true. expansion and intensification of the Ground Water Survey activities. Secondly, I want to know whether the hon. Minister has read the note submitted The Estimates ComnUtee of which you, by the scientific workers of the Geological Sir, are the hon. Chairman, after making Survey of India in which they have proved a review of the functions and performance that this transfer is not logical and is not of the G.S.I., in thetr 126th Report, made necessary. These persons are scientists ; recommendation that a Committee of experts they are not employees as such. They are from outside the G S I should review and as good scientists as anybody else. After examine the function, performance and giving certain examples, certain illustrations achievements of G S I and submit a report they have said how this decision was a to the Government and the Parliament indi­ wrong decision. They have said that even cating suitable recommendations for further the decision to crate the Mineral Explora­ growth and development of G S I in natio­ tion corporation is based on wrong premises nal interest. and directly against the recommendations of several specialist bodies, like, the Estimates It is also a fact that there is a deep Committee, the Planning Group for Minerals resentment amongst the employees of G S.I other than coal and oil, Mukerjee Com­ at the decision to decentralise it ? Is it also mittee, etc a fact that there will be many employees who wilt be affected by the decentralisation? May I know whether the hon. Minister ft is not less than 300 employees who have had read these reports befoie taking this wilfully opted for the Central Ground decision and whether there was some diffe­ V/ater Board who will be affected for better rence of opinion in the Cabinet also when or worse with implementation of the trans­ the decision was taken. 1 have got ceitain fer with effect from 1st August, 1972 7 notes which 1 do not want to lay on the Table of the House. Reading these notes, Will the hon Minister kindly give us a I feel, there was a certain difference of correct, truthful, reply to this 7 I shall be o p i n i o n . very greatful for that. My last point is this. Generally, there is a feeling created in West Bengal—this is *ft f a r o * i n n the oldest office ; the G. S. 1. building is a ttif wre massive one—-that slowly but In a calcu­ lated manner all the important offices are «nftse ww «r fawtf a'Hfwr *np being shifted from West Bengal to other f * n r % « r ? w w

l$hri S. M. Banerjee) Some years ago the Cabinet Secretariat set up a committee to eiamine the worktop want to know from the hon. Minister of the different scientific committees of the whether he would apply his mind de n w Government of India. This committee was and give an opportunity to the scientists known as COSR—Committee on Organise* who have submitted the memorandum and tion of Scientific Research. It was this also to the employees and review the whole Committee that first examined the activi­ matter objectively. ties functions and organisational structure of the Geological Survey of India. This SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA (Domaria- Committee, however, was wound up hi ganj): Before the hon. Minister replies, December 1970 and the work of this I would request him to tell us how this Committee was transferred to the Comm ttee ground water organisation is specially of Science and Technology as was directed equipped with geo-science aspect of the at that time by the Prime Minister. The hydrological programmes they have ] can Committee of Science and 1 echnology, understand their possessing the engineering known as COST, set up a sub-committee technology aspects But how is it better to look into the draft report that was equipped for the geo-science aspect of originally drafted by COSR and to make drilling for water so far as the new orga­ any changes that may be necessary before it nisation now being entrusted with the work was put up to the COST for fin*! adoption. Is concerned ? An hon Member mentioned that the Director ^General of the GSI was a member THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND of the subcommittee that went into it and MINES (SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA- ultimately submitted its draft report It is MANGALAM) * Mr Chairman, Sir, I must a fact that it was Dr Krishnan who was express my thanks to the hon members who originally a member of the COSR and, if I have participated in the short discussion am not wrong, he died before the draft because the problem that they have raised report was made, and Shri M S Bala- is one of importance For some time past, sundaram, (he present Director-—General Government had been considering the of the Geological Survey of India, was a question of reorganization of the Geologi­ member of the sub-committee set up by cal Survey of India so as to make it more COST efficient in the discharge of its functions The reason is that, by and large, the pro* gress that we have made towards comple­ Now, the Sub-Committee had discussions ting the mapping up of the geology work in both with Shri Vohra who is the Joint the country has been at rather a slow rate Secretary in the Ministry of Agriculture and we want it to concentrate more effec­ and also the Chairman of the Ground tively on its primary function which ts Water Board as well as with the Director- really the function of mapping That is why General of the Geological Survey of India. I will come to the procedure followed in a One of the hon Members has stated .. minute—the decision has been taken by Government not merely to take away, as it SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Only one were, from the GSI the functions which are meeting he was allowed to attend *..*» now going to be transferred to the Central Ground Water Board but also to set up a SHRI S MOHAN RUMARAMANG- mineral exploration corporation which will ALAM 1 Allow me to finish I listened to do, what may be called, the intermediate you patiently. You can have a little patience work between surveying and mapping which with me. Is to be continued in the GSI and the work of actual exploitation which would be done by the public sector mining corporation. It was a fact. I do not conceal fact The decision m relation to the Central from the House I think 1 can claim that Ground Water Board and transferring to in the part and 2 can claim It to-day. It is the Central Water Board the work of what a fact that Shri Balasundaram attended— may be called hydrological investigation, as hon. Member, Shri Jfyourmoy Bosu said, distinct from mapping, was taken really in the second meeting. He may be right. But line with the same principle. one meeting he attended, maybe the felt. W SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) 358 v I was ctnder the Jmpreision that it was the was an urgent question so far as the dm msoting. But that is rut relevant. It Government and the country are concerned, it not it matter of any great importance. I to formulate in precise and detailed terms want to b? accurate. I nuy b« wroaj, you as to what are the operations involved tn*y bo right. But that d*e* nat aff«t the before starting of exploration and assess­ substance of ths muter. H? attended one ment of the mineral resources of the country maetinf of ths Sub Cjunifies atij after in an area and assumption of responsibility that, the other onstioj* w^re not attended for the commissioning operation by an by him. It is alto a fact, as hon. Member, exploiting agency. We decided let me Shri Samar Gutu, r e a d —I have not seen leave ‘we’ for the moment—the Committee that letter, nor is it of any great importance itself felt that it would be proper for the that Shri Nag Choudbary did request Mr. G. S. I. to concentration the actual mapp­ Balasundaram at a later meeting, parti­ ing. My friend. Mr Malaviya need not cularly when the report was discussed, not have concern of this point because the to attend. But I think it was because they GSI will continue its work of hydrological thought it easier to do the work that Shri mapping ...... (Interruptions) It is really Nag Choudhary had elaborate discussions a question of investigation in depth of the with Shrt Balasundaram regarding the resources which we have and ultimately the merits and dements of this matter and it decision arrived at was that it could better was after having an elaborate discussion be carried on by the Central Ground Water with him and separately also with Mr. Board, in these matters I do not want to Vohra of the Central Ground Water Board be dogmatic. Obviously, there are two that the other members of the Sub-Com­ views about it and I would not say that mittee came to certain conclusions which there is no substance in the other point of were then put before the Committee on view. I would not like to use the expres* Science and Technology and finally adopted sions ‘arbitrary*, ‘irrelevant’, expressions of by them. The matter then came up before that cha racter. I think there ate quite a the Cabinet and the Cabinet took the deci­ number of arguments which can be advanced sion which the hon. Memebers have men* in favour of the opposite view, but expe­ tioned a little earlier. rience has taught us that our geological work is going on very slowly. That is a fact. If you compare the manner in which A mention has also been made of our GSI is working with other countries, possible differences inside the Cabinet. Now whether it be China or the Soviet Union or 1 think that is not a very relevant matter. the European countries or the Americas, There are always differences on matters, but we are pretty backward in that area. This ultimately the decision of the Cabinet is the is not so much a criticism of the GSI decision of the Cabinet, and the fact that because it is a criticism of ail of us, all of one Minister took a particular view at one us who run this country. We should have time or another Minister took a particular been able to devote more resources and view at another time is irrelevant so far as more energy to that. It is the decision of the substance of the nutter is concerned. the Government and the recommendation of Therefore, 1 think it would not be proper COST really in relation to that. Let us on my part to enter into a sort of discus­ all try to build up the GSI much faster. sion as to which Minister said what and at There are a large number of problems we what time. I thiok that is really an irre­ face in relation to the recruitment, in levant, minor matter. 1 am sure that hon. relation to the adequate use of the geolo­ Members also inside their own organiza­ gists* talents tu our country and it is better tions, do not always think the same way. to speed tip the geological work on the one There are differences, but, ultimately we hand and enable the Minerals Exploration come to a de:i«ion which we accept to be Corporation explore the minerals and the binding on all the members, whether it be the Cabinet or a committee, whatever it be. Central Ground Water Board in relation to the water resources on the other. I (hmk 1 can leave that question of ditto- xesces aside. This is to speed up what is called the intermediate stage for really, effectively The leal basis for the recommendations locating what are the water resources and m m m de by the COST wen ifet H how best they can be made use of, Dremmfoatkm o f AUGUST 21, 1*72 ff.s ./, A w ,) 3«*

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«ee« were against it. Even i Imi Irrigation I have pat the facts dearly before the ConmiHSM's report and the 8m Commit* House, and 1 would request bon. Members tee’s w o rt were again* it. to appreciate the circumstances in which we came to this conclusion and to give « trial to what we are trying to do in this area. SHRI S. MOHAN KU MAR A MANGA * LAM : 1 think fcat it will be difficult to SHRI SAMAR OUHA : Absolutely convince him, and, therefore, I have tried unscientific answer. my bett. If 1 have failed, I have failed, and I think that it ia better to leave it at ISihr*. that. I an only her* to jnttify and make dear m«> it was that Government arrived 7%* JLok Sabha than adjourned till Eleven at the decision on the advice of the various of the Clack an Tuetday, August 22 1972/ persons who gave us advice. I think that Sravana 31. 1894 (Saka).