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Second Session - Fortieth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Human Resources Chairperson Mr. Matt Wiebe Constituency of Concordia Vol. LXV No. 2 - 6 p.m., Tuesday, September 3, 2013 ISSN 1708-6655 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Fortieth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital NDP ALLUM, James Fort Garry-Riverview NDP ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley NDP ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson NDP BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli NDP BLADY, Sharon Kirkfield Park NDP BRAUN, Erna Rossmere NDP BRIESE, Stuart Agassiz PC CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East NDP CHIEF, Kevin, Hon. Point Douglas NDP CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan NDP CROTHERS, Deanne St. James NDP CULLEN, Cliff Spruce Woods PC DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk NDP DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood PC EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FRIESEN, Cameron Morden-Winkler PC GAUDREAU, Dave St. Norbert NDP GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Liberal GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach PC GRAYDON, Cliff Emerson PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC HOWARD, Jennifer, Hon. Fort Rouge NDP IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri, Hon. Fort Richmond NDP JHA, Bidhu Radisson NDP KOSTYSHYN, Ron, Hon. Swan River NDP LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. Dawson Trail NDP MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns NDP MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden PC MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Flor, Hon. Logan NDP MARCELINO, Ted Tyndall Park NDP MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel NDP MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East PC NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake NDP OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River NDP PALLISTER, Brian Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine Midland PC PETTERSEN, Clarence Flin Flon NDP REID, Daryl, Hon. Transcona NDP ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Kewatinook NDP RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia NDP ROWAT, Leanne Riding Mountain PC SARAN, Mohinder The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron St. Paul PC SELBY, Erin, Hon. Southdale NDP SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Verendrye PC STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo PC STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin NDP SWAN, Andrew, Hon. Minto NDP WHITEHEAD, Frank The Pas NDP WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WIGHT, Melanie Burrows NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC Vacant Morris 9 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RESOURCES Tuesday, September 3, 2013 TIME – 6 p.m. Mr. Gareth Neufeld, UNESCO Associated Schools Network LOCATION – Winnipeg, Manitoba Ms. Sandra Somerville, private citizen CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Matt Wiebe (Concordia) Mr. Chris Rigaux, private citizen Mr. Paul Olson, Manitoba Teachers' Society VICE-CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Ted Marcelino Ms. Kathleen Venema, Augustine United Church (Tyndall Park) Mr. Chris Dsovza, private citizen Ms. Eva Campbell, private citizen ATTENDANCE – 11 QUORUM – 6 Mr. Ken Guilford, private citizen Members of the Committee present: WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS: Hon. Ms. Allan, Hon. Mr. Chief, Hon. Ms. Kim Dyck, private citizen Oswald, Hon. Mr. Swan Jennifer R. Kramer, private citizen Messrs. Allum, Goertzen, Marcelino, Mrs. Jurgen Penner, Vital Bible Church Mitchelson, Messrs. Schuler, Smook, Wiebe Mark Wilcoxson and Neil Craton, Bethesda Church APPEARING: Terry Kaufman, Emmanuel Evangelical Free Church Hon. Jon Gerrard, MLA for River Heights Roger Kiska, Alliance Defending Freedom PUBLIC PRESENTERS: Gerald and Deborah Groening, private citizens Audrey and Jim Friesen, private citizens Ms. Sandra Trinkies, private citizen Raquel Peters, private citizen Ms. Jaryn Trinkies, private citizen Earl Moravek, private citizen Mr. Gary Trinkies, private citizen Sannette and Stephan Engelbrecht, private Mr. Robert Rivard, Manitoba School Boards citizens Association Natasha Bowlby, private citizen Mr. Peter Wohlgemut, private citizen Nancy and Terry Browett, private citizens Mr. Robert Hiebert, private citizen Cheris and Duane Bakee, private citizens Mr. Brendan Hiebert, private citizen Glen Buhler, private citizen Mr. Kevin Rebeck, Manitoba Federation of Kevin and Christine Neudoff, private citizens Labour Lori vanderHan, private citizen Mr. Andrew Micklefield, The King's School Bonnie Mitchell, private citizen Ms. Kristine Barr, private citizen Bryan Schroeder, private citizen Ms. Naomi Negrych, private citizen John and Rebecca Roozendaal, private citizens Mr. David M. Sanders, private citizen N. Semler, private citizen Mr. Ken Mandzuik, Manitoba Bar Association Kathy Brown, private citizen Mr. Harrison Oakes, private citizen Ken and Jacquie Waldner, private citizens Ms. Shannon McCarthy, United Church of Dawn Dolloff, private citizen Canada Conference of Manitoba and Mark Clark, private citizen Northwestern Ontario Y. Yazew, private citizen Ms. Bilan Arte, Canadian Federation of Students P.D. Janse van Rensburg, private citizen of Manitoba Michael Rosumowitsch, private citizen Mr. Michael Tutthill, private citizen Gregory and Marie Stitt, private citizens Mr. Ken DeLisle, private citizen Annillee Garcia, private citizen Mr. Albert McLeod, Two-Spirited People of Beatrix Levin, private citizen Manitoba Inc. Nancy Rempel, private citizen Ms. Rita Hildahl, Winnipeg School Division Joseph C. Giesbrecht, private citizen 10 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA September 3, 2013 MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: I would also like to remind members of the committee that, in accordance with the agreement Bill 18–The Public Schools Amendment Act mentioned before, the committee may also, by leave, (Safe and Inclusive Schools) decide to hear from presenters in addition to those scheduled for tonight's meeting. * * * Ken Guilford has asked to speak tonight. He's Clerk Assistant (Mr. Andrea Signorelli): Good not on the list. Is there leave of the committee to evening. Will the Standing Committee on Human allow Mr. Guilford to present tonight? Resources please come to order. Mr. Goertzen: I believe there is certainly leave from Before the committee can proceed with the our side of the table, Mr. Chairperson. Could we just business before it, it must elect a new chairperson. get the spelling of Mr. Guilford's last name? Are there any nominations for this position? Mr. Chairperson: Is that correct? Hon. Andrew Swan (Minister of Justice and Floor Comment: Yes. Attorney General): Yes, I nominate Mr. Wiebe. Mr. Chairperson: Okay. G-u-i-l-f-o-r-d. Is there Clerk Assistant: Mr. Wiebe has been nominated. agreement to–for leave? [Agreed] Are there any other nominations? Also, as a note, Robert Rivard is from out of Hearing no other nomination, Mr. Wiebe, will town, even though he is not marked on the list as you please take the Chair. being so. So we will consider his presentation as well Mr. Chairperson: Our next item of business is the with the out-of-town presenters. election of a Vice-Chairperson. Are there any Before we proceed with presentations, we do nominations? have a number of other items and points of Mr. Swan: Yes, I nominate Mr. Marcelino. information to consider. For the information of all presenters, while written versions of presentation are Mr. Chairperson: Mr. Marcelino has been not required, if you are going to accompany your nominated. Are there any other nominations? presentation with written materials, we ask that you Having–hearing no other nominations, Mr. provide 20 copies. If you need help with Marcelino is elected Vice-Chairperson. photocopying, please speak with our staff. This meeting has been called to consider Bill 18, As well, if you'd like to inform presenters that, in The Public Schools Amendment Act (Safe and accordance with our rules, a time limit of 10 minutes Inclusive Schools). As per agreement of the House, has been allotted for presentations, with another five dated June 20th, tonight we will hear from 26 of the minutes allotted for questions from committee presenters registered to speak on Bill 18, and you members. have a list of those presenters before you. Also, in accordance with the rules agreed in the On the topic of determining the order of House for meetings hearing from 'presenta'– public presentations, I will note that we do have presenters on Bill 18, if a presenter is not in out-of-town presenters in attendance marked with an attendance when their name is called, they will drop asterisks on the list. With this consideration in mind, to the bottom of the list of tonight's presenters. If the what order does the committee wish to hear the presenter is not in attendance when their name is presentations? called a second time tonight, they will be dropped to the bottom of global list per–of presenters. Mr. Kelvin Goertzen (Steinbach): Mr. Chairperson, it appears from my list that the vast A number of written submissions on Bill 18 majority of presenters are from Winnipeg and very have been received and distributed for the few from outside of Winnipeg. So I would suggest committee's consideration. A list of the individuals we have the outside-of-Winnipeg presenters first. providing these submissions has also been distributed to committee members. To save the Chair Mr. Chairperson: Okay. Is the will of the from having to read these names out, does the committee to consider the out-of-town presenters committee agree that this list of individuals first? [Agreed] providing submissions appear in Hansard? [Agreed] September 3, 2013 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 11 Kim Dyck, private citizen; Jennifer R. Kramer, Ms. Sandra Trinkies: No, I don't. private citizen; Jurgen Penner, Vital Bible Church; Rev. Mark Wilcoxson and Dr. Neil Craton, Bethesda Mr. Chairperson: Okay, please proceed with your Church; Rev. Terry Kaufman, Emmanuel presentation. Evangelical Free Church; Roger Kiska, Alliance Ms. Sandra Trinkies: Okay. Good evening. Thanks Defending Freedom; Gerald and
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