, AID SABBATH HERALD. Here is the Patience of the Sainte; Here are they that keep the Clont.m.;,-Lud.men.ts of God, and the Faith of Josixer," VOL. XXV. BATTLE CREEK, MICH., THIRD-DAY, MAY 2 3 , 1 8 6 5. No. 25,
matter must be a vivific force, and pre-exists life; therefore MATTER cannot be the subject of moral rewards gut Ad rent gala & Ifabbatit *old and reasoning back step by step, we find matter eter- or punishments. IS PUBLISHED WEEKLY, BY nal, justifying atheism. That, in our present mode of I certainly have no desire to turn you aside from a The Seventh-day Adventist Publishing Association, being, the spirit reveals itself through organized mat- consideration of Matt. x, 28, nor will I criticise ELD. JAMES WHITE, PRESIDENT. ter, is both true and necessary. But it is a glory of your boastful words, only saying, that you marvelous- TERMS..--Two Dollars a year in advance. the human spirit, that it can operate, exercising its ly resemble the Confederates, who stoutly affirm, after wit- Address ELDER JAMES WHITE, Battle Creek, Michigan. powers according to the conditions of its habitation, nearly every stronghold is taken, their territory cut, whether physical and imperfect, or spiritual and per- carved, and sundered part from part, that they are fect. in the resurrection, the body only is changed; daily increasing in strength, and that their pros- Consolation. at least, we have no warrant from the Scriptures to as- pects were never before so bright! When you say sert the resurrection of the spirit, or the enlargement the view you have given of this passage would be sat- "Fear thou not, for I am with thee."—Isaiah. of its powers, per se. isfactory to all, were it not that a crumbling theory is SWEET words of comfort to the aching heart! That beasts think, seems true; but who can tell to be sustained, you certainly speak as one a little It bids all fear and every doubt depart how they think? To inquire after the principle of conceited. You over-estimate your efforts. The the- To know and feel, that whatsoe'er betide, God will be with us as a shield and guide,— thought in animals, may afford a pleasure to a specu- ory is not crumbling. Every new development in sci- To know that he, whose compass e'er is true, lative mind; but to introduce it as a ground of argu- ence, and advance step in a true exegesis of the Scrip- Will, as a " pilot," safely guide us through ment in a Bible discussion concerning the nature of tures, adds new strength to it. Is not that true, broth- Life's wrecking breakers, past each rock and shoal, er? Then why talk of the theory as " crumbling ?" Until we reach the hoped and longed for goal. man, seems fruitful of no good, seeing it is a mystery which God has not seen fit to reveal. I do not say that infidelity is dead—that materialism Although our friends forsake, because our way You think my declaration, that man in the resurrec- slumbers. Nay they are boastful! But this I say, Seems but too narrow for their feet to stray; tion does not have his animal body restored to life, a that when they enter into a close engagement, Though they may scoff, what care we for the frown? denial of the resurrection itself. I fail to see this. spirituality always prevails. And as SPIRIT is purer The thoughts of Heaven, of a harp, and crown, and stronger than MATTER, it always will prevail! Of life eternal, make the way seem bright, If I understand Paul, (1 Cor. xv,) he holds that a Which ends at last in full and shining light. man who believes in the resurrection of the animal You proceed to say you do not object to the transla- And thou, great Shepherd, we thy love behold, body is a fool! Indeed, his whole argument is to tion of the word soul, but to the interpretation that And would, as lambs, seek shelter 'neath thy fold; show, that while there is identity as to personality, makes it live after the body is dead—" the idea, that Trusting, our Father, in thy gracious arm To shield us from all danger and from harm. there is none as to substance. "There is an animal the soul lives when separate from the body." That The straight and narrow way we fain would see, body, and there is a spiritual body," is his emphatic question, brother, you must settle with Jesus, inas- And walk the path which leads to life and thee. declaration, backed by the statement, that "flesh and much as he is the one who uttered the sentiment. Nary House. blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God." If it be The truth is, the text is an interpretation and illustra- true, that Christ, after his resurrection, and before tion of this "idea," for the sake of assuring the disci- his ascension, bore about the same body that was cru- ples of this very thing, namely, that' although men NATURE AND DESTINY 01' MAN. cified, this does not disprove what I said. You of might kill the body, nevertheless the soul would sur- DISCUSSION BETWEEN ELD. N. V. HULL, SEVENTH- course are aware of the difficulties surrounding this vive. But your interpretation is lumbered with this DAY BAPTIST, AND ELD. R. F. COTTRELL, question. There are those eminent for learning, can- absurdity: Christ comforts his disciples with the as- SEVENTH-DAY 'ADVENTIST. dor and ability, who suppose that all those raised to surance, that although wicked men, in the service of life by Christ and his apostles, during their earthly Satan, can only kill their bodies, he can and will, see- (Continued from Review No. 12.) ministries, were still subject to death. Indeed, this ing they peril their bodies in his service, kill their would seem to be necessary in order that the full proofs souls ! And this is the protection he is to afford his Elder Hull's Fifth Article. of divinity might be given. But this is altogether an- persecuted ones! Mercy ! But you proceed and say, ELD. R. F. COTTRELL: other thing from that which occurs at the general res- that "this idea," (that the soul lives after the death of Dear Brother,—In your letter which appeared in the urrection, when the raised are to be introduced to an the body,) " is not even hinted at in any other pas- Recorder of Jan. 26th, you call my attention to the entirely different mode of being, necessitating a dif- sage in the Bible." You certainly do not want bold- relation of thought, or the seat of thought, to mat- ferent bodily organization. As with these, so with ness, in whatever other characteristics you may be de- ter. Christ. While he remained on the earth, he retained ficient. And you further say, "And is not intended As to the philosophy of this question, I lay no claim his earthly body, even after his resurection ; the nec- to be hinted in this." Pray how do you get so much to perfection of knowledge. Sure itis, that the Bible essary inference being, that at the time of his as- knowledge? Jesus says this plainly, and you say he attributes thought to the spirit of man, and not his cension his body underwent the same change that did not intend it. Well, I think he did, or he would not body. 1 Cor. i, 11--" For what man knoweth the those will who are alive at the last day, who shall be have said it! thoughts of a man, save the spirit of man which is in " changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an Your exhibition of modesty, under the cover of a him?" This should be sufficient. I think our philo- eye." " windy" retreat from a discussion of the meaning sophical difficulties on this subject arise more from Your reference to those in Revelation 20th, who are of the terms kill and destroy, may be skillful, but what we do not know, than from what we do know. said to have lived and reigned with Christ a thousand won't save your theory. These words, it is true, have While it may be well settled, that the brain is the or- years, and to the dead that lived not again until the shades of meaning in common with each other, unfier gan of thought, who can prove that the brain thinks? thousand years were finished, is without force, for certain circumstances, and under certain circumstances The eye is the organ of sight; who will assert that several reasons, but mainly from the fact that a liter- alone. Yet you have gained much of your strength by the eye sees? So of the ear ; it is the organ of al resurrection, in their case, has- not been proved. an adroit but deceptive use of these terms; and until sound; still it hears nothing. Perhaps the most sober view of that case is, that the you withdraw this limb of your argument, you must stand before the world not as fair disputants, but as A fundamental principle in your theory is, if I un- Revelator saw what was fitly represented by the wresters of words. This nharge may seem to be derstand you, that life is the result of organized mat- idea of a resurrection. To quote a passage as proof strong; but I sincerely believe it, and think I am able ter. To this I take exception, arguing, that the re- of a point in dispute, where there is a fair chance to abundantly to support it. verse of this is the true position—that is, that matter doubt its applicability, is disingenuous. I still hold is both produced and organized by a creative and or- to the opinion, that whatever there is about us that is But you proceed to " take position" upon the first ganific force, which we call life, and that the princi- physical, and therefore corruptible, in a physical part of the verse—" And fear not those who will kill ple of thought lies back in this life-force, and not in sense, will fail to re-appear in the resurrection. I the body, but cannot kill the soul"—and say, "You SPIRIT; will not dispute that kill, in this clause, means matter. If life is the result of organized matter, then hold that accountability can only be affirmed of A
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But you go on ar.d say, "I proceed, then. I. We are theory to the one I hold, in the United States alone, given us, to supply our deficiencies, and correct our not to fear those who are not able to kill the soul." within the last twenty years, is not less than one hun- errors. God threatens to kill the soul. Will you un- So you yield th a point, do yoit, that the soul does dred thousand. dertake to prove the immortality of dead souls? Yes ; not necessarily die with the body ? I rejoice that a When you manufacture a position for me, and then and here is your argument. "If it were the appoint- main point in this argument is 'gained. You then pro, exhibit your skill in demolishing it, you waste your ment of God, that the particles of matter of which the ceed to say, "2. 1.14.I. we Ore e#ressly taught to fear strength in beating the air. This is the case with the body is composed should remain intact after life is God. 3. ThereNre, God is able to kill the soul." I greater part of the article now before me. You say, gone, then the body would be immortal, because cor- don't see It. Goa May indeed be able to kill the soul; "A fundamental principle in your theory is, if I un- ruption would not follow." Yes, then you would have but hove does it felew, that God can kill the soul, derstand you, that life is the result of organized mat- an immortal dead body, and its immortality would be becauseinan cannot, or because we are to fear him ter." So far from being a fundamental principle, this no evidence that it wou'd ever live again. But you rather than man, because man cannot. But you must is no part of my theory. Life is not the result of or- continue: " Death and mortality are not, Therefore, complete your syllogism, and so you say, " Therefore ganization, but is the gift of God. And my principle convertible terms. To affirm, then, mortality of God will kill the souls of some, i. e., the souls of the object in this discussion is to convince you and our spirits, as you do, is a palpable error, unless you can wicked." Here another point is gained, namely, not readers, that life is not inherent in man—that he will show that the law of decay inheres in them." Ah only that men cannot kill the souls 6f the righteous, not nfiturally live eternally—but that, as an apostle you are determined, then, to have the soul immortal, but God will not. Therefore, when the bodies of the says, eternal life is the gift of God, through our Lord dead or alive! Is this the solution of the question how the righteous die, their souls still live, and they must continue Jesus Christ. Rom. vi, 23. dead are immortal, and yet, " know not any thing ?" I to live, for men cannot kill them, and God will not. I have held, in this discussion, that man was per- thank you for this illustration of the soul's immortality. Amen! But how do you say that God will kill the fectly organized from the dust of the ground, and yet It is a virtual admission of all that I claim. I do not souls of the wicked, when what Christ says is, that he had no life nor knowledge till God gave him the gift, claim that the immaterial mind must rot, " after life is "able to destroy both soul and body in hell?" by breathing into his nostrils the breath of life ; and is gone," or that the particles of the body must be an- That God is able to do this, I do not deny. But I de- that when this gift is recalled, or " returneth to God nihilated. , But this immortality, which a person might ny that Jesus saysAliat God will kill the souls of the who gave it," man is in his former state, having no have and not know it, is not the kind for which I am wicked in hell, and demand your proof that he will. life nor knowledge, though his organization remain seeking. What consolation can it be to a living soul, Please don't giye us your 'syllogism, but give us his perfect up to the moment of his death. Your effort to to know, that after it is dead, it will not waste away, word. 124 your argument is further weak, in view disprove a theory which I do not hold, demands no re- but ever remain, an undecaying mummy ? of the sentiment yoU maintain ; for even the souls of ply. I freely admit that there is a spirit in man, and Although you do not want my syllogisms, I call your the wicked only die when killed by God in hell, accor- that the in-breathing of the Almighty giveth them un attention, and that of the reader, again to them. I have ding to your owti Showing. Then, when the body of a derstanding. Job xxxii, 8. It remains for you to given you, and might give you again, the testimonies wicked man dies, his soul still lives, and will live un- prove that there is a human spirit out of man, which of the word: " Mortal man," " The soul that sinneth til the body is raised, and then, after being with the retains its understanding after God has taken back the it shall die," '' The wages of sin is death," &e.