Report of the Committee on Donald L. Frazeur, Los Angeles City Fire Dept., [U] (Alt. to 1L W. Dreher) VtreDepartmentApparatus Jam~s E. Johatmessen, Underwriters Laboratories Inc., PA [RT] (Alt. to T. A. Hillenbrand) Bowman, Chair Brad Kobielusz, Poudre Fire Authority, CO [U] AnJeffreyaheim Fire Dept., CA [E] (Alt. to 1L D. Tutterow) William F. McCombs, Emergency One, Inc., FL [M] Kenneth L. Koch, Secretary (AIt. to A. Saulsbury) Sutphen Corp., OH [M] John McDonald, Int'l Assn. of Fire Fighters, VA [SE] (AlL to W. K. Menke) Robert J. Barraclough, Class I, Inc., ,TX [M] Michael IL Negro, Pierce Mfg. Inc., WI [M] Ralph Craven, Mission CoLlege/EVS, NV [SE] (Alt. to L. A. OeWald) Rep. California Fire Mechanics Assn. Tom Reset, Edwards Mfg. Inc., OR [M] Peter F. Darley, W. S. Darley & Co., IL [M] (Air. to R. A. Ruth) Rep. Nat'l Truck Equipment Assn. Thomas G. Stites, Sutphen Corp., OH [M] Lloyd A. DeWald, Pierce Mfg. Inc., WI [M] (Alt. to IC L. Koch) Richard W. Dreher, Los Angeles City Fire Dept., CA [U] Richard E. Teske, Hale Products, Inc., PA[M] Ron French, JDK Management Inc., IL [SE] (Alt. to G. Handwerk) Dennis N. Gage, Insurance Services Office, Inc., 16-14, NY [I] Gary Handwerk, Hale Products Inc., PA[M] Nonvoting Thomas A. Hiilenbrand, Underwriters Laboratories Inc., IL [RT] William F. Foley, Orland Fire Protection District, IL Calvin S. Kunkle, Purdue University, IN [SE] W. Kenneth Menke, Fire Service Research Inst., MO [SE] ThomasJ. Merrier, Waterous Co., MN [M] Staff Liaison: Carl E. Peterson William C. Peters, City of Jersey city Fire Dept., NJ [E] JGeff Piechura, Northwest Fire District, AZ [El Committee Scope: This Committee shall have primary ary IL Pope, Fairfax County Fire/Rescue Dept., VA [U] responsibility for documents on the design and performance of Carl E. Punkay, Champaign Fire Dept., IL [U] fire apparatus for use by the fire service. Roger A. Ruth, Nat'l Foam Inc., PA [M] Rep. Fire Apparatus Mfrs. Assn. James A. Salmi, Ladder Towers Inc., PA [M] This list represents the membership at the time the Committee was Alan Saulsbury, Sanisbury Fire Rescue Inc., NY [M] balloted on the text of this edition. Since that time, changes in the Gary B. Selig, CaliforniaDept. of Forestry, CA [U] membership may have occurred. A key to classifications is found at the James T. Steffens, JTS, FL [I] front of this book. Rep. Volunteer Firemen's Insurance Services Inc. Robert D. Tutterow, Jr., Charlotte Fire Dept., NC [U] This portion of the Technical Committee Report of the Rep. Fire Dept Safety Otticers Assn, Committee on Apparatus is presented for Alan D. Van Guilder, Reno Fire Dept., NV [U] adoption. William yon Zehle,Jr., Wilton Fire Dept., CT [E] Rep. Int'l Assn. of Fire Chiefs This Report on Comments was prepared by the Technical Gar*~ C. Weidner, City of Virginia Beach Fire Dept., VA [U] Committee on Fire Department Apparatus and documents its David White, Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc., TX [SE] action on the comments received on its Report on Proposals on John Ross Witt, Safetek International Ltd., Canada, [M] NFPA 1901-1996, Standard for Automative Fire Apparatus as published in the Report on Proposals for the 1999 Spring (May) Meeting. e Alternates This Report on Comments has been submitted to letter ballot of Tim Alameda, City of Reno Fire Dept., NV [U] the Technical Committee on Fire Department Apparatus, which (Alt. to A. D. Van Guilder) consists of 29 voting members. The results of theballoting, after Gene P. Carlson, Oklahoma State University, OK [SE] circulation of any negative votes, can be found in tile report. (Alt. to D. White) Ronald L. Ewers, Class I, Inc., FL [M] (Air. to 1L J. Barraclough)

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(Log #8) (Log #55) 1901- 1 - (1-5): Accept in Principle 1901- 4 - (1-7 GVWR, GAWR, and ~): Accept in Principle SUBMITrER: GaryHandwerk, Hale Products, Inc. SUBMITTER: Dan W. M cKenzie, USDA Forest Service COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMRNT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Delete text as follows: RECOMMF2qDATION: Revise definitions to read as follows: GVWR (Gross .Vehicle Weight Rating). The chassis SUBSTANT ON: That gives the impression that all trucks manufacturer's specified maximum load carrying capacity of a need heaters, heat pads, special drawers, heat tape etc. Not all vehicle having two axle systems (a multiaxle installation is one trucks are in cold areas. system). It is a requirement of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety COMMITTEE ACTION- Accept in Principle. Regulations that the GVWR of a vehicle be posted in the vehicle on I Revise 1-5 to read as follows: a permanently affixed label. The GVWR can be equal to or less It shall be the responsibility of the purchaser to specify the details than the sum of the front GAWR and the rear GAWIL The in- of the apparatus; its required performance, inciuthng where service weight or "gross vehicle weight" should always be equal to operations at elevations above 2000 ft (610 m) or on grades greater or less than'the GVWR. than fi percent ~.r '== --'~.~:::'- =crape=tuft :end'S:: !~.~- ~: 0 ° F GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating). The chassis manufacturer's ( !$0 C)~r gr:at:r :h=~ ! !e ° F (~0 C) are required; the maximum specified maximum, Ioad-b.arrying capacity of an axle system, as number of fire fighters to ride within the apparatus; specific added measured at the tire-ground interfaces. It is a requirement of the continuous electrical loads which exceed the minimum of this Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations that the GAWR be posted standard; and any hose, ground ladders, or equipment to be in the vehicle on a permanently affixed label. The axle system carried by the apparatus that exceed the minimum requirements of includes, but not limited to, the axle, tires, suspension, wheels, this standard. frame, brakes, and applied engine torque. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is changing the (Gross Combination Weight Rating). The chassis ambient temperature range under which the apparatus is to manufacture's specified maximum load carrying capacity for of a operate (seePublic Comment 1901-9 (Log #129)) and feels the combination vehicle. A combination vehicle is a tractor trailer- subject is adequately covered in 2-9.3 type vehicle having three or more axle sTstems ( a multiaxle NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 installation is one system). When thcZrailer is detachable, the VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: GGWR limits the axle system(s) maximum load for any AFFIRMATIVE: 28 replacement trailer. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage SUBSTANTIATION: Theposting in the vehicle of GVWR and GAWR are a requirement of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations and not Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. (Log #214) GGWR is not required to be posted by the Federal Motor Vehicle 1901- 2- (1-7, 14-5.2, 14-5.4, 14-6.7, 14-7.3, 14-7.4, 14-10.7.1(a), 14- Safety Standards. I2.2.1, 14-12.2.1.1, 14-13.2.~.4, 14-13.4 (a,b,d,g&h), 14-13.8): COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. Accept Revise definitions to read as follows: SUBMITTER: Thomas]. Mettler, Waterous Co. GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating). The chassis COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 manufacturer's specified maximum load carrying capacity of a RECOMMENDATION: This Of NFPA 1901 has abandoned vehicle having two axle systems (a multlaxle installation is one the use of psig from the section/paragraphs noted and replaced A~tem). It is a requirement of the National Highway Traffic Safety with psi. ministration that the GVWR of a vehicle be posted in the vehicle SUB~TAhNTIATION: There is no obvious reason noted in the on a permanently affixed label. The GVWR can be equal to or less Report on Proposals which states why this was done. Was the "g" than the sum of the front GAWR and the rear GAWR. The in- removed in error? If there is no basis for the change, the units service weight or "gross vehicle weight" should always be equal to should be changed back to psig as shown in the $/2/98 draft in or less than the GVWR. the sections/paragraphs noted above and anywhere else in the GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating). The chassis manufacturer's standard where they were also changed. specified maximum, load-carrying capacity of an axle system, as COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. measured at the tire-ground interfaces. It is a requirement of the COMMITTEE STATRMFAqT: The psig designation will be National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that the GAWR be returned where appropriate. posted in the vehicle on a permanently affixed label. The axle NUMBER OF COMMITrRE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 system includes, but not limited to, the axle, fires, suspension, VOTE ON COMMITrF~ ACTION: wheels, frame, brakes, and applied engine torque. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 GCWR (Gross Combination Weight Rating). The chassis NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage manufacmre's specified maximum load carrying capacity for of a combination vehicle. A combination vehide is a tractor trailer- (Log #49) type vehicle having three or more axle systems.( a multiaxle 1901- 3 - (1-7 Aerial Ladder Platform): Reject installation is one system). When the trailer is detachable, the SUBMITTER: Peter W. Szerlag, Arlington, MA GGWR limits the axle system(s) maximum load for any COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1961-217 replacement trailer. RECOMMENDATION: The definition of "aerial ladder platform" COMMITIT~ STATEMENT: The committee is acceptingthe needs to be improved" submitter's comment but is changing the reference from the 1. Change "device" to qadder" Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations to the National Highway 2. Change "elevating platform" to "personnel-carrying platform" Traffic Safety Administration as that is the correct reference. The B. Is a Snorkel or an Aerialscope supposed to be a "aerial ladder second sentence of the definition of ~'is being deleted as platform"? (some snorkels have little ladders on the side - some there apparently are no labeling requirements for stating the Aerialscopes do also) GCWR. SUBSTANTIATION: The present definitions seem to be aiming NUMBRR OF COMMITTEE M]glt~RRS ELIGIBLE TOVOTE: 29 for:. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1. elevating platform = snorkel or aerialscope AFFIRMATIVE: 28 2. aerial ladderplatform ffi basket on end of aerial ladder NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage $. aerial ladder ~100 ft stick 4. water tower = squirt or telesquirt COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. (Log #'218) COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels the existing 1901- 5 - (1-7 Initial Attack ApL~ratus): Reject definitions convey what they want. By using the terms "device" and SUBMITTER: L Charles Smeby, FL State Fire College "elevalin~ platform" the user is directed to the definitions for those COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 terms which provide more explanation. RECOMMENDATION: Revise text as follows: NUMBER OF COMM1TIT.E MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 Initial Attack Apparatus- Delete the word %ttuctural" from the VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: second sentence AFFIRMATWE: 28 SUBSTANTIATION: This type of apparatus is not designed to NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage support structural fire fighting as per NFPA 1500 or appropriate OSHA regulations. With only one SCBA, 200 gallons of water and

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a small amount of hose and equipment, an attack on a structural 3. Air systems (and other components) are not suitable for 0°F fire can not be done safely. eration without expensive and unusual protecton. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. ACTION: Accept in Principle. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The standard requires a minimum [ Change 0 ° F to 32 ° F in 2-9.3 so the sentence reads: of 2 SCBA on an initial attack fire apparatus (see 4-7.2). Fire ] '~rhe apparatus shall meet the requirements of this standard in departments utilizing this type of apparatus need to define their I ambient temperature condition between 32 ° F (0°C) and 110 ° F SOP's to ensure safe fire ground operations but an exterior initial I ( 45°C)." attack can be made with less than 4 persons. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 Comment 1901-1 (Log #8) which addresses the submitters VOTE ON COMMITIT~ ACTION: concerns with 1-5. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 27 NEGATIVE: 1 (Log #24) NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage 1901- 6 - (1-7 Unity Power Factor, and Rated l~ower Factor): EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: Accept in Principle STEFFENS: I vote negative on the Committee Action for the SUBMrrrER: RobertJ. Barraclough, Class 1, Inc. above referenced Comment 1901-9 (Log #129) for the following COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 reason: RECOMMENDATION: Add definitionsfor "unity power factor" The other provisions of Section 2-9 (Apparatus Performance) and "ratedpower factor". while not applying to all locations are what might be termed as SUBSTANTIATION: These items are discussed in 21-14.4.2 and "normal" performance parameters. It is my opinion that raising no definitions are given. They are needed to understand the the lower ambient temperature from 0°F to 32°F is not consistent meaning of this paragraph. The suhmitter was not sure what these with normal and expected performance requirements. This terms mean, therefore he was not able to supply new text. proposed temperature (32°17) will require almost all users COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. throughout the entire country, including Florida and other I Delete the second sentence of 21-14.4.2 which uses these terms. southern states to specify an exception under normal conditions. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Comment 1901-202 Most users will not expect to have to specify (above the minimum (Log #CC3) which revises 21-14.4.2 to describe the testing without standard in 1901) the apparatus performance requirements in using these terms. most areas of the country. This proposal will require them to do N~ER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SO. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:' AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: I Gage (Log #49a) 1901- 10 - (2-15 (New)): Reject SUBMITrER: Peter W. Szerlag, Arlington, MA (LOg #64) COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1961-217 1901- 7- (2-6.$): Reject RECOMMENDATION: Add new Section 2-15 to read as follows: SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS Common Requirements - The following requirements shall apply COMMF.3qT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 to all apparatus: RECOMMENDATION: Revise text as follows: 1. All apparatus shall be painted externally with fluorescent Replace 84 in. with 60 in. paint. SUBSTANTIATION: There is plenty of room for gauges on a 2. All apparatus shall have identifying numbers on all four sides modern pump panel simply put the gauges down low. and on the roof of the cab. The numbers shall be visible from a COMMITrF, E ACTION: Reject. distance of 100 ft. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels that 84 in. is 3. All apparatus shall be equipped with a resuscitator and reasonable for the size of the characters on the gauges. The automatic external defibrillator. purchaser can specify lower gauge heights if they desire. 4. All apparatus shall be equipped witia a vehicle mounted radio NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 repeater. (This is signified as a MO3 in the FCC rules and VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: regulations.) This item shall not apply if the fire department radio AFFIRMATIVE: 28 system is capable of providing a 90 percent chance that any NOT RETURNED: I Gage flrefighter (laying on any floor of any structure within the first due area) is able to conduct a conversation with the dispatcher or Incident Commander. (Log #65) 5. All apparatus shall be equipped with metal chocks wltich are 1901- 8- (2-6.4): Reject connected by metal wires to the metal of the vehicle chassis. SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS 6. All apparatus shall have optical devices to take control of COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 traffic intersection signals. RECOMMENDATION: Change 72 in. to read 60 in. 7. All apparatus shall have a portable radio for each firefighter SUBSTANTIATION: It is too high for most.5 ft tall women to riding pusltion plus one spare. " reach, there is plenty of room on the panel much lower to mount. 8. All apparatus shall have map books covering a 25 mile radius COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. around their station. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: Original research shows 72 in. to be 9. All apparatus shall have Weapons of Mass Destruction a reasonable maximum height. The purdlaser can specify a lower detection capabilities. control height if they desire. 10. All apparatus shall have the capability of applying CAFS, or NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 Barricade Gel, or PyroCap Foam. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: SUBSTANTIATION: These are all items which will be mandatory AFFIRMATIVE: 28 sometime in the next century - why not now? When these items are NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage made mandatory, their prices will probably drop like rocks. In regards to Item 5, I am not sure if dais is killing two birds with one stone, but it seems that metal chocks connected by metal cables to (Log #129) a metal chassis could provide a grounding p~th to prevent 1901- 9 - (2-9.3 and 1.5): Accept in Principle electrocution due to lightning hits or contact with electrical wires. SUBMITTER: Alan Saulsbury, Saulsbury Fire Rescue Inc. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This is a minimum standard. The RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: purchaser can specify any of these items if they feel they are needed ...less than 0°F...(present) for their operations. ...less than $2°F...(proposed) NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBSTANTIATION: 1. We have not defined operating VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: conditions at 0°F. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 2. Could present expectation pump and other systems are cold NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage weatiler protected.

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(Log #5) There is pressure on file manufacturers to make the newer 1901- 11 - (3-4): Accept Plumpers more compact and cheaper and that they be capable of SUBMITTER: Gary Handwerk, Hale Products, Inc. oing other duties (such as EMS transport) besides just fire COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-17 fighting. As a minimum, a pumper can be an effecuve unit with I RECOMMENDATION: Change 500 gal. to 300 gal. 300 gallons of water especially when equipped with class A foam or SUBSTANTIATION: If 300 gal. is ok for a wily not a other extinguishing enhancing agents or devices. pumper. This is a minimum standard. Not all city trucks need We need to be consistent and to allow for some of the new 500 gal. water. technologies to be a part of the changing fire service. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. I Also delete the second sentence of 3-4. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See also Committee Action on COMMITTI~E STATEMENT: The second sentence of 3-4 is being Public Comment 1901-11 (Log #5). deleted as it is no longer applicable. See also Committee NUMBER OF COMMITrEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 Comment 1901-15 (Log #CCll). VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 AFFIRMATIVE: 25 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NEGATIVE: 3 AFFIRMATIVE: 25 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NEGATIVE: 3 EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: NOT RETURNED: 1 (',age DREHER: See my explanation of negative vote on Comment EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: 1901-11 (Log #5). DREHER: This is in agreement with William C. Peters comments PETERS: See my explanation of negative vote on Comment 1901- dealing with reducing the tank size on pumpers from 500 gallons 11 (Log #5). to 300 gallons. POPE: See my explanation of negative vote on Comment 1901-11 PETERS: AS a user, I disagree with the Committee's Action on (Log #5). file issue. 500 gallons allows a quick interior attack of sufficient duration while the engineer is securing a water source. I disagree with the argument that a quint is allowed 300 so a pumper should also. We should be focused on the primary mission of each (Log #51) apparatus. If a customer is purchasing a combination unit then 1901- 13- (3-4): Accept they must make certain concessions (like a smaller tank) to gain SUBMITTE!~ William F. McCombs, Emergency One, Inc. the additional functions. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 Adding an appendix item might help some, but I hate to point RECOMMENDATION: Change pumper water tank capadty from out how many purchasers do not read1901 before specifying a rig. "500gal" to "300 gal." They rely on a salesperson to provide "sample specifications". In SUBSTANTIATION: With approximately 50 percent of fire some cases, the sales person proposes NFPA minimums in order departments operating emergency medical services (EMS), and to keep costs down and make the sale. In other locations, the with 70-80 percent of their calls being medical, a significant trend purchasing authority will not authorize funding for anything other has been established toward rescue/pumpers rescue. Pumpers than a unit that just meets compliance. need additional equipment storage space. Also the more common The same reasons hold true for technology of Class A foams etc. use of Class A foam has reduced the need for a 500 gal. tank. For many in file fire industry, "the jury is still out" on these COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. systems. COMMITFEE STATEMENT: See also Committee Action on All of these reductions in tank size, ground ladder compliment, Public Comment 1901-11 (Log #5). hosebed size etc. seem to be industry driven. I haven't seen one NUMBER OF COMMrITEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 public comment from an end user requesting less water, less hose VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: or less ladders in the standard. AS a matter of fact there were AFFIRMATIVE: 25 comments in Comments 1901-14, 1901-16, and 1901-28 (Logs #219, NEGATIVE: 3 221, and 223), by a user, advocating 500 gallons of water on NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage pumpers and a 55 cuft hosebed. EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: POPE: I strongly disagree with lowering the minimum water tank DREHER: See my explanation of negative vote on Comment size from 500 gallons to 300 gallons on pumpers. When 300 1901-11 (Log #5). gallons was the minimum a few years ago, it was common to be PETERS: See my explanation of negative vote on Comment 1901- using nozzles with approximately 60 gpm flows. This gave the 11 (Log #5). pump operator approximately five minutes to establish a supply POPE: See my explanation of negative vote on Comment 1901-11 line before running out of tank water. As fire loading has (Log #5). increased and interior materials have changed, the nozzle flows have increased. The minimum nozzle flow used today for interior firefighting is normally 100 gpm. It is common for minimum starting flows to be even greater, usually 150 gpm or more. (Log #219) Lowering the minimum tank size is now giving the pump operator 1901- 14- (3-4): Accept less than three minutes to establish a supply line before running SUBMITTER: L. Charles Smeby, FL State Fire College out of tank water. This is not sufficient tame, particularly when COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 using large diameter hose or establishing water supplies from I RECOMMENDATION: Delete the last sentence. portable tanks. I feel this is a safety issue and should not be SUBSTANTIATION: There is no justification for reducing the compromised. This issue started with allowing Quints to lower the capacity of water when an aerial device is added. These pumpers minimum tank size mainly because of weight and engineering will be responding to the same fires and need the same amount of design restrictions. Those restrictions are not an issue with water. pumpers. With only a 500 gallon water tank, this will only allow independent operation without a continuous water supply for 2 to 4 minutes depending on the size of the hand line used. With the minimum safe staring levels of 4 firefighters, this does not leave (Log #21) anyone to connect the supply hose and charge offa hydrant (all 4 1901- 12- (3-4): Accept firefighters are part of the "2 in - 2 out" team, unless you would SUBMITTER: RobertJ. Barraclough, Class I, Inc. want to delay the initial attack?). Many of the pumpers in use COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 today are operating off the tank water for extended periods of time, I RECOMMENDATION: Delete "500" and replace it with "300" in even in areas that have municipal water supplies. the first sentence. Delete the last sentence. As a safety consideration, all pumpers should have a minimum of SUBSTANTIATION: This is a minimum spec. We now permit a 500 gallons of water to provide a sustained attack for the first few "Quint" to have a minimum of 300 gallons and it could be minutes of firefighting. answering the same alarm as a pumper. It makes no sense to COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. require the pumper to have 500 gallons and then say a unit that is COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public heavier and (probably) slower only needs to carry 300 gallons as a Comment 1901-11 (Log #5). The committee is deleting the second minimum. sentence because it is reducing the minimum water tank size for pumpers to 300 gallons.

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NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #66) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 17- (3-7.2): Reject AFFIRMATIVE: 27 SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS NEGATIVE: 1 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: If large diameter hose is carried there is no need for the 15 ft POPE: See my explanation of negative vote on Comment 1901-11 suction hose. (Log #5). SUBSTANTIATION: It provides an unneeded duplication of hose° A 25 ft, 50 ft or 100 ft lengda of LDH will accomplish the same task. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. (Log #CC11 ) COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee does not feel that 1901- 15 - (3-4): Accept the longer lengths of hose are an efficient way to connect to a SUBMITTER: Technical Committee on Fire Department hydrant when the pumper is located adjacent to it. The committee Apparatus also feels there should be new suction hose on a pumper when it COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 is placed in service. RECOMMENDATION: Add an appendix to 3-4 to read: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 "A-3-4 Fire departments should carefully evaluate tileir water VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: supply needs and the available water delivery systems when AFFIRMATIVE: 27 considering water tank size. 300 gallons is a minimum tank size NEGATIVE: 1 and might not meet the needs of the department. Fire NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage departments servicing areas with wide hydrant spacing or areas EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: with no hydrants should strongly coffsider increasing the water VON ZEHLE: A short length of LDH makes a suitable substitute tank size. The department should choose a water tank size that for soft suction hose. The requirement for a lengdl of soft suction will best support efficient and effective fire ground operations." hose provides and unneeded duplication and takes up valuable SUBSTANTIATION: Tile committee has lowered the minimum storage space. water tank size on a pumper to 300 gallons (see Committee Action on Public Comment]901-11 (Log #5), but they feel the standard should contain appendix material to caution the purchaser to carefully evaluate their water supply needs and the available water delivery systems in their response area when considering water tank (Log #187) size. 1901- 18 - (3-8, 4-7, 5-7, 6-8, and 7-8): Accept COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. SUBMITTER: Wayne Kleinmann, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-21 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: AFFIRMATIVE: 27 3-8 Minor Equipment. The list of equipment in 3-8.1 and 3-8.2 NEGATIVE: 1 shall be available on the pumper fire apparatus before tile NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage apparatus is placed in service. Brackets or compartments shall be EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: fi~rnished to organize and orotect the emfioment. A detailed list of POPE: See my explanation of negative vote on Comment 1901-11 who is to furnis]~ the itemsand the mett~od for or~anizin~ and (Log #5). r~rotectin~ shall be supplied by the purchasing authority. or cc.mpartmcnt~ ~!~a!! be furnAz!zcd t~ ~rg~izc .....--" v...... "^ equipment. (Log #221) Change 4-7, 5-7, 6-8 ,and 7-8 to read the same. 1901- 16-.(3-6): Reject SUBSTANTIATION: The way it is currently written, it will not be SUBMITTER: L. Charles Smeby, FL State Fire College clear who is to furnish tile brackets or compartments for COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 organizing the equipment. RECOMMENDATION: Change (a) to read: COMMITTEE ACTION" Accept. "A minimum hose storage area of 55 cubic ft. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBSTANTIATION: There is no justification for reducing tile VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: size of supply hose storage. If this change is made and only 800 ft AFFIRMATIVE: 28 of 2 1/2 in. hose can be stored on the pumper, the following two NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage problems will be noticed: 1. ff a pumper has to lay dual lines to provide for a "blitz" attack using either a large hand line or larger deluge device, they will only be able to lay 400 ft of hoselIl The spacing of many hydrants will not allow proper positioning of the pumper in front of the (Log #222) structure. 1901- 19 - (3-8.1): Reject 2. In the fire department that I served, we had an SOP for fire SUBMITTER: L. Charles Smeby, FL State Fire College ground operations that required the third due engine company to COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 acquire an secondary hydrant and position itself at the rear of the RECOMMENDATION: Change the first sentence to read ,as structure. The spacing of fire hydrants along the street (not follows: around the structure) would dictate single hose lays that could be "1200 ft of 2 1/2 inch or larger . up to 1600 ft. Most of our pumpers were equipped with 1600 ft of SUBSTANTIATION: There is no justification for reducing the 3 in. hose. size of supply hose storage, ff this change is made and only 800 ft You should also consider tile possibility that a fire department may of 2 1/2 in. hose can be stored on the pumper, tile following two want ,to add more hose or go to a larger hose size at some point in problems will be noticed: time after the originalpurchase. 1. ff a pumper has to lay dual lines toprovide for a "blitz" attack COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. using either a large hand line or larger deluge device, they will only COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is establishing a be able to lay 400 ft of hose!l! The spacing of many hydrants will minimum standard. The purchaser can specify more hose storage not allow proper positioning of the pumper in front of the capacity if they need it for their operations. structu re. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: ,99 2. In the fire department that I served, we had an SOP for fire VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: ground operations that required the third due engine company to AFFIRMATIVE: 28 acquire an secondary hydrant and position itself at the rear of the NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage structure. The spacing of fire hydrants along the street (not around the structure) would dictate single hose lays that could be up to 1600 ft. Most of our pumpers were equipped wifll 1600 feet of 3 in. hose.

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You should also consider the possibility that a fire department may (Log #178) want to add more hose or go to a larger hose size at some point in 1901- 23 - (6-4): Accept in Principle time ,after the original purchase. SUBMITTER: Tim McDonald, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is establishing a RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: minimum standard. The purchaser can specify more hose if they If the aerial fire apparatus is equipped with a water tank, it shall need it for their operations. With the many different operations meet the requirement of Chapter 1 7 and have a minimum certified pumpers are expected to support these days and the premium on capacity of ~w~cu~~--"^-" ...... 150 ~allons. storage space, some departments have need for space to carry SUBSTANTIATION: The-NFPA 1901 document is a minimum additional equipment and do not need the additional hose. standard, and mandating a 300 gallon water tank in place of a 150 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 gallon tank limits the flexibility of the fire department for other VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: options such as hose load, ladders, compartmentation, and fixed AFFIRMATIVE: 28 equipment like generators, breathing air supplies, hydraulic power NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage supplies, etc. Chapter 4 of the NFPA 1901 standards allow a 200 gallon tanks on "Initial Attack Fire Apparatus". Initial attack fire apparatus are (Log #CC5) designed for being first at the scene and/or in rural areas far from 1901- 20 - (3-8.1, 4-7.1, 5-7.1.2, %8.1, and A-18-6.2): Accept hydrants. Aerial ladders are more likely to be near hydrants than SUBMITTER: Technic~d Committee on Fire Department Initial Attack units and should not be penalized to carry more Apparatus water than these units if it is not needed to fulfill the fire COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 departments standard operating procedures. I RECOMMENDATION: Change the term "" to "spray Most ladder companies will not be used as an engine company nozzle" and will only use their water tank (if they have one) for clean up SUBSTANTIATION: The term fog nozzle is being changed to operations or limited crosslay or booster reel operation. Many spray nozzle for consistency of terminology with NFPA 1964, ladders only have a small PTO driven pump for such work. Standard for Spray Nozzles. Even a 300 gallon water tank is not large enough to be used by the COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. aerial water way and fire departments purchasing an aerial device NUMBER OF COMMrI'TEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 should not be mandated to purchase a tank larger than 150 gallons VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: unless they wish to specify more capacity. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-22 (Log #50). NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #67) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 21 - (3-8.2): Reject AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: If threaded couplings are not used there is no need for double males and double females. If quick cofiples are used on hard (Log #236) suction and suction caps there is no need for a rubber mallet. 1901- 24 - (6-4): Accept in Principle SUBSTANTIATION: Addresses the fact that not everyone uses SUBMITI'ER: Fred Windisch, Ponderosa Vol. Fire Dept., TX threaded fittings or needs a mallet. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels that mutual aid If the aerial fire apparatus is equipped with a water tank, it shall situations often require the use of such fittings even if day to da~ meet the requirement of Chapter 17 and have a minimum certified operations do not. capacity of 3~0 g~!!~ 150 ~allons. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBSTANTIATION: The NFPA 1901 document is a minimum VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: standard, and mandating a 300 gallon water tank in place of a 150 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 gallon tank limits tile flexibility of the fire department for other NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage options such as hose load, ladders, compartmentation, and fixed equipment like generators, breathing air supplies, hydraulic power supplies, etc. due to weight restrictions on axles and road (Log #50) limitation. For instance, our new platform required a weight 1901- 22 - (6-4): Accept in Principle reduction on the front axles somewhat due to other 1901 SUBMITTER: William F. McCombs, Emergency One, Inc. requirements (unfunded mandatesH!). One of the weight COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 reduction items was reducing the tank size from 200 gals to 150 RECOMMENDATION: Add wording after last sentence in the gallons. We fully realize the limitations and clearly agree with file paragraph to read as follows: second following paragraph. "If the aerial fire apparatus is equipped with an aerial platform, a Most ladder companies will not be used as an engine company minimum certified capacity of 150 gal. shall be supplied. and will only use their water tank for clean up operations or SUBSTANTIATION: Large aerial platforms (95 ft- 105 ft) are not limited crosslay or booster reel operation. normally first in engine companies. Larger tanks are not required. Even a 300 gallon water tank is not large enough to be used by the This is a minimum standard and larger platforms are more weight aerial waterway and fire departments purchasing an aerial device challenged than smaller machines. Increasing the tank size by 150 should not be mandated to purchase a tank larger than 150 gallons gal and approximately 1500 Ibs. causes weight problems with unless they wish to specify more capacity. platforms. The NFPA committees must remember that this is a minimum COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. standard. Give the Authority Having Jurisdiction the reasonable Revise 6-4 to read as follows: action to design their fire trucks for their areas!!! As another If tire aerial fire apparatus is equipped with a water tank, it shall comment, is it REALLY A MINIMUM to have THREE flow meters meet the requirements of Chapter 17. AND TWO breathing air cylinder supply readouts on our new COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels that where an platform! !?? aerial fire apparatus is not required to have a water tank at all, it COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. should not define a minimum size but let the purchaser work with COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public the manufacturer to determine the size that can be accommodated Comment 1901-22 (Log #50). on the chassis. It is important that any tank provided meet the NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 requirements of Chapter 17, however. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

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a pumper. There is no justification for reducing the capacity of 1901- 25 - (6-7): Reject (Log #179) water when an aerial device is added. SUBMITTER: Tim McDonald, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. With only a 500 gallon water tank, this will only allow COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-22 independent operation without a continuous water supply for 2 to RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: 4 minutes depending on the size of the hand line used. With the A minimum of -1-t-~85 ft of ground ladders shall be supplied and minimum safe staffing levels of 4 firefighters, this does not leave installed by the contractor. anyone to connect the supply hose and charge off a hydrant (all 4 SUBSTANTIATION: The NFPA 1901 document is a minimum firefighters are part of the "2 in - 2 out" team, unless you would standard, mandating 115 ft of ground ladders limits the flexibility want to delay the initial attack?). Many of the pumpers in use of the fire department for other options such as hose load, water today are operating off the tank water for extended periods of time, tanks, compartmentation, generators, breathing air systems, etc. even in areas that have municipal water supplies. Chapter 7, Paragraph 7-7.1 of the proposed N-FPA 1901 states that As a safety consideration, all pumpers should have a minimum of the minimum ground ladder compliment for a Quint aerial device 500 gallons of water to provide a sustained attack for the first few with will be 85 ft. ff the fire department decides to install a pump minutes of firefighting. and water tank but does not want to run this unit as a Quint, why COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. must they carry 115 ft of ground ladders? COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee has reduced the Lets keep the NFPA 1901 standard as uncoml~l!cated as possible minimum tank size for a pumper to 300 gallons and this and get hack to its original intent of being a minimum standard requirement is consistent. See Committee Action on Public document, specify the minimum standard compliment of ground Comment 1901-11 (Log #5). ladders (whatever is decided) and let the fire departments dictate NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 how many more they prefer to accomplish their goals. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. AFFIRMATIVE: 26 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels that 115 ft of NEGATIVE: 2 ground ladders is an effective minimum complement for aerial fire NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage apparatus operations. The quint is a multifunction apparatus and EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: users realize the limitations of some of the equipment complement DREHER~ See my explanation of negative vote on Comment when they purchase such an apparatus. 1901-11 (Log #5). NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 PETERS: See my explanation of rlegative vote on Comment 1901- VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 11 (Log #5). AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #224) 1901- 29 - (7-6(a)): Reject 1901- 26 - (6-8.1): Reject (Log #68) SUBMITTER: L. Charles Smeby, FL State Fire College SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Change the first sentence to read as RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: follows: One self contained breathin~ aDoaratals WITH A MINIMUM OF "1200 ft of 2 1/2in. or larger fire hose. 6 CARRIED. Delete four...Six handlights SUBSTANTIATION: Since in most cases this type of apparatus is SUBSTANTIATION: The above allows NFPA to mirror the ISO used to substitute for a puinper, it should be equipped the same as grading schedule. An NFPA list with the above minor changes will a pumper. allow full credit. Change the first sentence to read as follows: "1200 ft of 2 1/2 in. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. or larger fire hose. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is establishing a There is no justification for reducing the size of supply hose minimum standard. Many department do not have the staffing to storage, ff this change is made and only 800 ft of 2 1/2 in. hose use 6 SCBA. The purchaser can specify more SCBA units if they can be stored on the quint (pumper), the following two problems need them for their operations. will be noticed: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 1. If a pumper has to lay dual lines (2 1/2 in.) to provide for a VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: "blitz" attack using either a large hand line or larger deluge device, AFFIRMATIVE: 28 they will only be able to lay 400 ft of hose!!! The spacing of many NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage hydrants will not allow proper positioning of the pumper in front of the structure. 2. In the fire department that I served, we had an SOP for fire ground operations that required the third due engine company to 1901- 27 - (7-4): Reject (Log #139) acquire an secondary hydrant and position itself at the rear of the SUBMITTER: James A. Salmi, Ladder Towers Inc. structure. The spacing of fire hydrants along the street (not COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 around the structure) would dictate single hose lays that could be RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: up to 1600 ft. Most of our pumpers were equipped with 1600 ft of minimum tank size of 150 gal (568 L) :3 in. hose. SUBSTANTIATION: Larger aerial devices can be constructed to Yo/l should also consider the possibility that a fire department fimction as a quint apparatus. Smaller tank sizes provide more may want to add more hose or go to a larger hose size at some axle capacity for the aerial and other equipment that may be more time after the original purchase. appropriate for the fire department. COMMII~rEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is establishing a COMMITTEE STATEMENT: Quint apparatus operates as a minimum standard. The purchaser can specify more hose if they pumper in many situations and therefore the water tank size needs need it for their operations. to be consistent with that of a pumper. See Committee Action on NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 Put31ic Comment 1901-11 (Log #5). VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 AFFIRMATIVE: 27 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NEGATIVE: 1 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: VON ZEHLE: ff a quint is to fulfill the duties of a pumper then it should carry the same minimum supply hose as a pumper. The minimum tank size for pumpers was reduced to bring it into 1901- 28 - (7-4): Reject (Log #223) agreement with those on quints. The same rationale should apply SUBMITTER: L. Charles Smeby, FL State Fire College for hoseloads. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Change to 500 gallon minimum size. SUBSTANTIATION: Since in most cases this type of apparatus is used to substitute for a pumper, it should be equipped the same as

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(Log #231) (Log #233) 1901- 30 - (9-8.1): Accept 1901- 34- (9-9.1): Accept SUBMITTER: David White, Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. SUBMITTER: David White, Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 [ RECOMMENDATION: Delete section. I RECOMMENDATION: Delete text as follows: SUBSTANTIATION: Almost no foaln trucks that I have ever seen O~z p!a)~¥c :'Ath :l~::t~ff and i ~. t~ --~ ~ i/~ tonx ~ carried ground ladders, ff a fire department wanted to carry the ladders, they could add them. SUBSTANTIATION: No industrial foam truck that I am aware of COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. uses straight tip nozzles. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: I Gage

(Log #232) 1901- 31 - (9-8.2): Reject SUBMITTER: David White, Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. (Log #234) COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 1901- 35 - (9-9.1): Accept in Principle RECOMMENDATION: A minimum of 20 ft of SUBMITrER: David White, Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. shall be carried. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 SUBSTANTIATION: Wida almost all industrial foam trucks today RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: carrying large diameter bose, there is almost no reason to carry I (4) foam or fog nozzles shall be carried, minimum of 200 gpm soft suction hose. each, 2 1/2 in. COMM1T'rEE ACTION: Reject. (2) foam or fog nozzles shall be carried, minimum of 95 gpm COMMITTEE STATEMENT: As written, the purchaser has the each 1 1/2 in. option to carry hard suction hose or soft suction hose so they can SUBSTANTIATION: Many foam trucks today do not use air specify hard suction hose if they need it for their operation. aspirating foam nozzles. They use regular fog nozzles. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: I Change the word "fog" to "spray" so the reference is to foam or AFFIRMATIVE: 28 spray nozzles. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMITTEE STATEMENT: NFPA 1964, Standard for Spray Nozzles, defines requirements for spray nozzles and this change will make terminology consistent. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #228) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 32 - (9-9.1): Accept in Principle AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBMITTER= David White, Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: One fixed monitor, 1000 gpm minimum (3800 L/min) to be piped into the fire apparatus and mounted on top of the vehicle. (Log #230) SUBSTANTIATION: With dae larger fire pumps on foam trucks 1901- 36- (9-9.2): Accept today, the use of a 500 gpm monitor is not realistic. SUBMITTER: David White, Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 Revise the last requirement under 9-9.1 to read as follows: RECOMMENDATION: Delete text as follows: One preconnected monitor, rated to discharge a minimum of 1000 gpm (3800 L/min), mounted on top of the vehicle with a spray or foam nozzle rated at a minimum of 1000 gpm (3800 L/min). COMMITTEE STATEMENT: Requiring the monitor to be r,~^ o ~ m -^, m ~ w ~ ^. '-r'g ...... :_g~.:.L...... z "~n a preconnected rather than fLxed will allow it to be removed if necessary for remote operation. The committee has also included a requirement for a nozzle for the monitor. See Public Comment 1901-33 (Log #229). SUBSTANTIATION: These are tools and equipment that almost NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 no industrial foam trucks use or carry. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage VOTE ON COMMITI'EE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #229) 1901- 33 - (9-9.1): Accept in Principle SUBMITTEI~ David White, Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. (Log #16) COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 1901- 37- (10-1): Hold RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: SUBMITTER: JohnJ. Chadwick, American LaFrance Corp. (1) foam or fog nozzle, minimum 1000 gpm, (3800 l/rain) COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 SUBSTANTIATION: A nozzle should be on the truck that will RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: flow a minimum of 1000 gpm. The vehicle cab shall meet the reouirements of United Nation COMMrITEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. A~zreement. Addendum 28. Revision 1: Regulation No. 29. March COMMITI'EE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public 15. 1974. Uniform Provisions Concernin~ ~e Apprqwo] of Vehi¢l¢~ Comment 1901-32 (Log #228) which adds the requirement for a with Retard to the Protection of the Occupants of the Cab of a nozzle but uses the term spray nozzle rather than fog nozzle for consistency of terminology with NFPA 1964, Standard for Spray Commercial Vehicle Nozzles. Note: Supporting material available upon request at NFPA NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 headquarters. VOTE ON COMMITI'EE ACTION: SUBSTANTIATION: Use of this standard will establish a AFFIRMATIVE: 28 recognized, international standard for specifying the structural NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage integrity of the vehicle cab with regard to the safety and protection of the occupants. This Regulation is an established UN standard for vehicles and provides for reasonable qualitative requirements which allow for the design, testing and certification of vehicle cabs.

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The current NFPA standards do not provide for a definitive (Log #70) standard for cab structural integrity and safety. 1901- 40- (10-2.2): Reject COMMI'VI'EE ACTION: Hold. SUBMITTER: I_. H. Stevens, JEMS COMMITTEE STATEMENT:. This comment presents a concept COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 which the committee does not have time to adequately evaluate at RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: this stage of the revisionprocess. Reouire an NPO from the engine manufacturer to anorove the v ._ NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 installation of the engine and assure cooling reouirements are VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: addressed for ¢a¢h claassis tvoe and aonlication." AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBSTANTIATION: In a 30 mile radius of my community 6 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage brand new engines fi-om two manufactures on differing chassis all overheat. In the southern part of the state entire fleets have trouble with cooling. Calling the engine manufacturer the first thing they ask is do you have an NPQ. ff you say no, they say oh well. The issue is air flow and installation, rarely file cooling (Log #180) system itself. An NPQ will eliminate the problem. 1901- 38 - (10-1): Reject COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. SUBMITTER: Tim Willett, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feel the issue of COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-23 overheat is currently covered in 10-2.2.1 and 10-2.1.5. If the RECOMMENDATION: Revise table as follows: engines are overheating, they do not meet these paragraphs and adding additional requirements will not solve the problem. EPQ's TABLE 10-1 Miscellaneous Equipment Allowance are not available for many engines and requiring them potentially Appartus has the effect of eliminating chassis that are currently used Type Chassis Equipment Allowance successfully for fire apparatus from such use. GVWR NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29

Aerial fire All o~ ...... x ....9 ..... "~, (change to 2000 lb (907 Kg)) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: apparatus AFFIRMATIVE: 26 Quint fire All ...... ~.... ~ ~..~. ~ (change to 2000 lb (907 Kg)) NEGATIVE: 2 apparatus NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: DEWALD: The fact that there are apparatus with overheat SUBSTANTIATION: The equipment allowance for aerial and problems indicates that the current standard does not sufficiently quint fire apparatus is excessive based on actual equipment address the issue. The submitter's recommendation to require an application in service. The mandatory equipment required to be carried on a Quint weighs approximately 700 lb (318kg). The list EPQ from the engine manufacturer was not the correct solution but the intent was accurate. My vote would be for the committee of equipment required to be carried 'on the aerial and quint to Accept in Principal and correct the recommendation text to apparatus contains all the equipment required on a pumper address the issue accommodating all the engine manufacturers including life safety rope and additional wheel chocks. Currendy and also, commercial chassis. At the same time, the issue of this leaves an excessive remaining capacity of 1800 lbs (817 kg). using Engine Overheat Protect (EOP) to achieve engine Based on actual equipment loading experience, a remaining manufacturer's certification could have been addressed. One of capacity of 1300 lbs (590 kg) provides ample allowance for the objectives of the NFPA Standard is to give guidance to tile additional equipment stowage. purchaser regarding technical issues that need to be addressed in By reducing the minimum equipment.... allowance to 2000 Ib the specifying an apparatus. The. issue ~of engine overheating needs to apparatus pruchaser has more flexthlllty to specify fixed equipment be addressed better than it currently is and this was an opportunity such as: generators, breathing air systems, cord reels, lights, foam to do this. The submitter raised a legitimate concern but did not systems, aerial accessories, etc. The mission profile of the have a comprehensive recommendation to address all the issues. purchaser many times requires fixed equipment mounting in place DREHER: The fact that there are apparatus with overheating of file equipment allowance. A minimum requirement of 2000 Ibs problem indicated that the current standard does not sufficiently would be less restrictive to the purchaser. Large aerial and quint address the issue.The submitter recommendation to require an apparatus already utilize axles and suspensions with the largest EPQ from the engine manufacture was not the correct solution but gross axle weight ratings (GAWR) available. To prevent the intent was accurate. Like Lloyd De Wald said my vote would restrictions to die purchaser, it is recommended that the . be for file committee to Accept in Principle and correct the equipment allowance be reduced to 2000 lbs. recommendation text to address file issue accommodating all the COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. engine manufactures and, also commercial chassis. At the same COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels the current time fl~e issue of using Engine Overheating Protect (EOP) to equipment allowances for aerial fire apparatus and quint fire achieve engine manufacturer's certification could have been apparatus are appropriate. The mandatory equipment list is not addressed. One of the objectives of the NFPA Standard is to give th6basis of the equipment allowance but the expectation of what uidance to the purchaser regarding technical issues that need to a fire department willcarry on the apparatus. ~ NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 e addressed in specifying an apparatus. The issue of engine overheating needs to be addressed better than it currently is and VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: this was an opportunity to do this. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #226) 1901- 41 - (10-2.5): Accept in Principle (Log #69) SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN 1901- 39- (10-2.1.5): Accept COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Add the following text: Where the apparatus is equipped with stabilizers, the exhaust RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: piping discharge shall be directed away from the stabilizer shoe and en~ne and transmission driven accessories (PTO's etcA when fully extended. SUBSTANTIATION: Many builders are attaching PTO's that are SUBSTANTIATION: We have experienced situations during not certified by the transmission builder. Consequently, when they prolonged pumping operations where bituminous pavement has fail the ball bearings fall into the transmission and destroy it. been heated by the exhaust to the point where stability of an COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. outrigger is compromised. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: Add an additional sentence to 10-2.5 after the current second AFFIRMATIVE: 28 sentence to read as follows: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage "ff the apparatus is equipped with stabilizers, the exhanst piping discharge shall be directed away from the contact area between the stabilizer and the ground when deployed."

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COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is editorially revising bids. Each bid might have a longer or shorter wheel base and the submitter's suggested wording for clarification of intent. differing cramp angles. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. ~ VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: Revise the second sentence of 1-6.1 to readas follows: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 This shall include, but shall not be limited to, estimated weight, NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage wheelbase, turning clearance radius, principal dimensions, transmission, axle ratios, and, if applicable, the rated capacity of the aerial device. Add a definition in 1-7 for turning clearance radius to read as follows: (Log #27) Turning Clearance Radius. One half the larger of the left or right 1901- 42 - (10-3.1.4(c)): Accept full circle wall to wall turning diameter. S.UBMITTER: Ron W. French, W. Chicago, IL Add an appendix to the definition in 1-7 for turning clearance COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 radius to read as follows: I RECOMbIENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: A-l-7 Turning Clearance Radius. An aerial fire apparatus might A pressure protection valve shall be installed to prevent use of air- have a larger overall clearance diameter if measured at a forward ~.~r~ ~r ~d~er all air operated accessories excent air ooerated i most point of the aerial device. windshield wipers and air assist steering, if provided. ~daen the COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels the system air... requirement needs to be in 1-6.1 if its going to be information SUBSTANTIATION: As currently worded these devices would be used in evaluating the bids. It also feels it is necessary to define made inoperable if air pressure fell below 80 psi. the term "turning clearance radius". COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #19) (Log #26) 1901- 46 - (Chapter 11): Reject 1901- 43 - (10-3.1.5): Reject SUBMITTER: Jeff L. Fix, Kelso, WA SUBMITTER: Ron W. French, W. Chicago, IL COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Add text in Chapter 11 a follows: RECOMMENDATION: Revise sentence to read as follows: No tools or equipment shall be mounted on the apparatus in a Air applied, ~ or mechanical brakes are acceptable on manner that would negate the effect of any required emergency these axles nrovided they meet the anolicable FMVSS lighting, clearance lights, marker lights, work area lights, head requirements. lights or other electrical devices mandated by the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 108, lamps, reflective SUBSTANTIATION: 1. To add hydraulic brakes. devices, and associated equipment, or other laws or regulations. 2. To clarify that FMVSS requirements govern. SUBSTANTIATION: Emergency and work area lights should not COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. for any reason be blocked by any type of equipment, i.e. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: Hydraulic lockup systems are extinguishers, clamps, etc. disallowed by the current second sentence of 10-3.1.5. Note: Supporting material is available upon request at NFPA NUMBER OF COMMrrTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 headquarters. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 COMMITrEE STATEMENT: The committee feels this is already NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage covered in Sections 2-4 and 11-13. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage (Log #185) 1901- 44- (10-3.2.4): Accept SUBMITTER: Wayne Kleinmann, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-33 RECOMMENDATION: Delete the word "Fender". (Log #$2) "F,end-~ Clearance for tire chains shall be provided in 1901- 47- (11-2.7): Accept in Principle accordance with SAEJ683..." SUBMITTER: Joseph E. Boone, S&S EreApparatus Co. SUBSTANTIATION: Not all apparatus builders provide fenders COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 that fully surround the tires. Clearance is required on the inboard RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: side of the tire as well, to clear chassis components, water tanks, 11-2.7 Circuits shall be provided with rated low voltage aerial torque box etc. Removing the newly added word "Fender" overcurrent protective devices. Such devices shall be readily will clarify the extent to which chain clearance is needed. accessible and protected against heat in excess of the overcurrent COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. devices's design range, mechanical damage, and water spray. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 Circuit protection shall be accomplished by utilizing fuses, circuit VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: breakers, oF fusible links, or equivalent solid state devices. If a AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage mechanical tvoe device is used. it shall that- conform to one of tile following SAE standards... SUBSTANTIATION: This standard is not meant to be design restrictive and should not restrict overcurrent protection to (Log #71) mechanical devices only. 1901- 45 - (10-3.2.5): Accept in Principle COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS Revise the third and forth sentences of 11-2.7 to read as follows: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 Circuit protection shall be accomplished by utilizing fuses, circuit RECOMMENDATION: Add text to,read as follows: breakers, fusible links, or solid state equivalent devices. If a Manufacturer shall orovide a orintout of turn radius right and left mechanical type device is used, it shall conform to one of the for soecified anoaratus. following SAE standards: (a) SAEJ156, Fusible Links SUBSTANTIA'IqlON: A cramp angle means nothing to the buyer (b) SAEJ553, Circuit Breakers unless it is converted to real terms. Especially when reviewing

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(c) SAEJ2077, Miniature Blade Type Electrical Fuses 3. SAEJ1939 specification has not been finalized. (d) SAEJ554, Electric Fuses (Cartridge Type) 4. The paragraph is design restrictive. (e) SAEJ1888, High Current Time Lag Electric Fuses 5. The paragraph does not contain enough definition for a COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee has editorially guideline. moved the word "equivalent" for better clarification of the intent. COMI~TTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #53) (Log #190) 1901- 48- (11-2.9): Accept 1901- 52- (I1-2.9): Accept in Part SUBMITTER: Richard W. Nederboed, Spartan Motors Inc. SUBMITTER: Dave Sawasky, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-40 [ RECOMMENDATION: Delete entire paragraph. RECOMMENDATION: Delete the entire proposed paragraph 11- SUBSTANTIATION: 1. The paragraph is too vague and lends 2.9 text and replace with the following: itself to different interpretations. All input and output devices installed on the vehicle that operate 2. Not clearly defined. on a digital data bus system (multiplex) shall have a diagnostic 3. SAE J1939 specification is not finalized. system that troubleshoots malfunctions. 4. The paragraph is design restrictive. SUBSTANTIATION: The currentproposed wording is too 5. The paragraph does not contain enough definition for a design restrictive. Eliminating specific reference to J1939 and guideline. substituting the revised text would protect the end user, ensuring COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. the benefits of multiplexing and yet not limit the designer to a NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 standard that may not be the best choice for that particular system. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Part. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 [ Delete 11-2.9 but do not add the suggested wording. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The paragraph does not clearly define what is required and is too vague, lending itself to different interpretations. The committee is raking out the reference to SAE J1939as that standard is not finalized. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #60) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 49- (11-2.9): Accept AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBMITTER: John.]. Chadwick, American LaFrance Corp. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 [ RECOMMENDATION: Delete entire paragraph. SUBSTANTIATION: 1. The paragraph is too vague and lends itself to different interpretations. (Log #239) 2. Not clearly defined. 1901- 53- (11-2.9): Accept 3. SAEJ1939 specification is not yet finalized. SUBMITTER: Timothy A. Bruhnke, Marion Body Works, Inc. 4. The paragraph is deign restrictive. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 5. The paragraph does not contain enough definition for a ] RECOMMENDATION: Delete entire paragraph. guideline. SUBSTANTIATION: 1. The paragraph is too vague and lends COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. itself to different interpretations. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 2. Not clearly defined. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 3. 8AEJ1939 specification is not finalized. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 4. The paragraph is design restrictive. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage 5. The paragraph does not contain enough definition for a guideline. COMMI'['rEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITrEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #61) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 50- (11-2.9): Accept AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBMITTER: Bernie Watson, Weldon Technologies Inc. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 [ RECOMMENDATION: Delete entire paragraph. SUBSTANTIATION: 1. The paragraph is too vague and lends itself to different interpretations. (Log #18) 2. Not clearly defined. 1901- 54- (11-8.9 through 11-8.15): Reject 3. SAEJ1939 specification is not yet finalized. SUBMrrrER: Harold Boer, Central States Fire App Inc. LLC 4. The paragraph is deign restrictive. Kevin Kirvida, General Safety Equipment (Log #20) 5. The paragraph does not contain enough definition for a Brad Kobielusz, Poudre Fire Authority, C O (Log #28) uideline. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 OMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following sections: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBER~ ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 11-8.9, 11-8.12.1, 11-8.12.2, 11-8.12.3, 11-8.12.4, 11.8.12.5, 11- VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 8.13.1, 11.8.13.2, 11-8.13.3, 11-8.15.4, 11-8.14.2, 11-8.14.2.1, 11- AFFIRMATIVE: 28 8.14.2.2, 11-8.14.2.3, 11-8.14.2.4, 11-8.15, Tables 11-8.12.4 and 11- NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage 8.13.3. Revise sections 11-8.11, 11-8.12, 11-8.13. Revise 11-8.11 to read as follows: Recommended colors or combinations of colors in each zone, (Log #108) within the constraints imposed by applicable laws, regulations, and 1901- 51 - (11-2.9): Accept local governing polices, shall be as specified in SAE J578, color SUBMITTER: Steve Reedy, Central States Fire Apparatus LLC specification for wbite, red, yellow, blue. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 (Table 11-8.11 to stay the same) [ RECOMMENDATION: Delete entire paragraph. Revise 11-8.1"~ to read as follows: SUBSTANTIATION: 1. The paragraph is too vague and lends Requirements for large apparatus, ff the apparatus has a bumper itself to different ideas. to bumper length of 22 ft (-6.7m) or more, warning devices shal[be 2. The paragraph is not clearly defined. located on all four comers of each zone as follows. The upper

168 NFPA 1901 --A99 ROC visible warning devices shall be located in each comer of the 1. The use of yellow (amber): 11-8.11 apparatus as high and as close to the corner points of the 2. The reduction of the number of warning devices in use when apparatus to define the clearance line of the apparatus. The lower the apparatus operator believes that such a reduction increases the front devices shall be mounted forward of the front axle as close to safety of the fire fighters and apparatus: A-11-8.6 tile front comer as possible. The rear lower device shall be 3. The selective use of optical warning devices when responding mounted behind the rear axle as close to the rear comerpoint as in fog, snow, etc.: A-11-8.6 possible. Two additional midship lights shall be mountedwith the 4. The concern over blinding oncoming drivers: A-11-8.11 optical center between 18 in. and 62 in. above ground level. The 5. The use ofditterent colors to differentiate between stopped midship lights shall be spaced as evenly as possible along the side and moving apparatus and to convey the direction of travel: 11-8.5 of the equipment but shall not interfere with cabinet doors and and 11-8.11 pump operator panels. 6. The superiority of flashing lights for detection and of steady Revise 11-8.13 to readas follows: burning lights for orientation. Because the human vision system Requirements for small apparatus. If the apparatus has a integrates visual stimuli only about 12 times per second, as the bumper to bumper length of less than 22 ft (6.7 m), the upper- flash rate is increased, a flashing light is increasingly perceived as a level optical warning devices shall be mounted as high as practical, steady burning light. The selection of 150 flashes per minute as but not over 8 ft at their optical center. They shall be permitted to the minimum flash rate seen at any measurement point represents be combined in one or more enclosures and shall be permitted to a reasonable balance between tile travel time before detection, the be mounted on die cab roof or any other convenient point. One orientation of tile signal relative to the drivers location, and the or more lower level optical warning devices shall be mounted as electrical energy required to operate the warning device. close to file front comer of the apparatus with the optical center of 7. The recognition of the change in vision from the red sensitive the device at a distance of 18 in. to 48 in. cones during the day to the blue sensitive rods at night: 11-8.11 SUBSTANTIATION: Systems have become extremely difficult to The committee also notes that tile references are quite old and design. Many needs for exceptions and changes have already do not address the central issue of the substantial reduction of the occurred. There is a large perception by the end users this is effectiveness of sirens and air horns caused by modern, nothing more than a tool for emergency lighting companies to sell soundproofed vehicles. The principle reason behind file more products. Having to create a new testing method for these development of the new standard was to increase theperformance complex systems only further fuels dais belief. Further having to of the warning lights without overloading the electrical system and adhere to such stringent design standards and testing methods so compensate, in part, for dais loss. makes the end users and manufacturers ripe for lawsuits if parts of After extensive research and two field evaluations, the Fire the systems are not working during incidents. Also can any of Department Apparatus Committee established realistic minimum these systems meet the design requirements for use in fog, heavy requirements tor a system of warning lights. Given the limited rain or snow, dlis issue had not been anywhere addressed. Any of amount of power available on an apparatus and the variety of these conditions could cause the unit to not meet design warning light products. . and .manufacturers' it was necessary to write requirements and make the end user liable for large dollar lump a rather techmcal, engmeerlng based standar& sum judgments. Although complex, file standard permits users to buy the kind of Many studies have been done by very credible iustitutions that system they like. The standard has promoted the use of more have indicated large amounts of flashing lights are actually more efficient devices, and compliant systems are now available from dangerous than minimal lighting when parked on scenes. Yet this every major manufacturer. The present revision makes it clear that document does just the opposite. These studies were not ifa purchaser is willing and able to purchase a large enough addressed or reviewed by this committee before the initial electrical system, he or she is free to use almost any technology, proposal was recommended. even if antiquated and inefficient. By removing the stringent design requirements and heavy testing Other than the magazine articles, no specific photometric or methods and using a general guideline as described above we can other data has been provided to support the call for the total come up with essentially the same design of warning systems abandonment of file existing standard. While the return to an without the complexity and liability binding problems. Also by "anything goes standard" may please a few, it would increase, not changing a few words in the color of the lights we can get decrease the liability problems of both manufacturers and users. compliance in almost all of the areas without putting departments At this time, the committee feels it has a rational, consensus in binds over local laws and departmental polices. based, performance standard. See also Committee comment 1901- Following are references used: 56 (Log #CC1) which addresses file steady burning light issue. "Road side accidents and Warning Lights" Law and Order NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 magazine. July 1991. Studies done by University of Illinois, Illinois VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: State Police, California Highway Patrol. Found that injuries from AFFIRMATIVE: 28 roadside accidents were dlree times more likely for police vehicles NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage than for passenger vehicles on roadsides and half as much as other emergency vehicles. '~Warning on Warning Lights" Emergency magazine March 1994. (Log #CC9) References studies done by New York State Police, Dept. of 1901- 55 - (11-8.10): Accept Transportation, Univ. of Minnesota. Again reference to the SUBMITTER: Technical Committee on Fire Department dangers of too many ~trning lights and a higher incident of Apparatus roadside accident with vehicles with numerous warning lights COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 compared to vehicles with fewer lights. [ RECOMMENDATION: Change the tide to "Flash Rate." Even Federal Signal Corporation's newsletter Hot Times (January SUBSTANTIATION: The tide "Flash Rate" is more appropriate 1995) references a problem of determining a emergency vehicles for the material covered in file following 2 paragraphs. direction of travel especially in dark due to a lack of steady COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. reference marker. This is known as "sequential contrast". Studies NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 by New York State Police and California Highway Patrol have VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: found steady burning lights on their vehicles have a marked AFFIRMATIVE: 28 reduction in roadside accidents. Why hasn't this been addressed NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage in the lighting study? These items really should be addressed if we are truly safety oriented we should not be dismissing so much hard evidence that does not back a multitude of lighting on stopped apparatus. (Log #CC1) Note: Supporting material is available upon request at NFPA 1901- 56- (11-8.10.1): Accept headquarters. SUBMITTER: Technical Committee on Fire Department COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. cA~oParatus COMMITTEE STATEMENT: During tile development of the MMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-113 standard, the committee considered the points raised in tile RECOMMENDATION: Add two sentences to file end of 11-8.10.1 supporting material submitted with this public comment and in to read .as follows: general included dlese concepts in the standard. Specifically, "Steady burning non-flashing optical sources shall be permitted when specified by the purchaser and permitted by the applicable to be used. The optical ener~ provided by these non-flashing laws and regulation, devices incorporating the following concepts optical sources shall not be included in dae calculations of the may be used. zone total optical power.,'

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SUBSTANTIATION: In reviewing Public Comment 1901-54 (Log NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 #18), the committee realized it had failed to account for non- VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: flashing optical sources as required in California and some other AFFIRMATIVE: 28 areas of the United States. It was not the committee's intent to NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage prohibit their use. This wording will provide the guidance on how to account these devices. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: .99 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: (Log #49d) AFFIRMATIVE: 28 1901- 60- (11-13): Accept in Principle NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage SUBMITTER: Peter W. Szerlag, Arlington, MA COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Add text to 11-13 to read as follows: "Apparatus operating on limited access roadways shall have signboard type lighting at the rear to indicate to approaching (Log #49b) motorists that highway lanes are blocked. Additionally, the 1901- 57- (11-9.2): Reject capability shall exist to extinguish all front and side mounted SUBMITTER: Peter W. Szerlag, Arlington, MA flashing lights in order to ameliorate curiosity factor slowdowns." COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 SUBSTANTIATION: If a rig comes upon an accident or disabled RECOMMENDATION: Add text to 11-9.2 to read as follows: vehicle in the high speed or middle lane of a three lane roadway, "All audible warning devices shall bare a low volume setting for then it would be very advantageous to have directional arrows at use in nighttime responses, parades, etc." the rear of the rig to signal approaching motorists to pass the SUBSTANTIATION: Self explanatory. scene on the left and/or right sides of the rig. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. Secondly, the shut down of forward facing and side facing COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This would be in violation of SAE flashing lights at a daytime accident would probably not pose a J1849, Emergency Vehicle Sirens, and contradicts the intent of the major threat to responders. This would certainly belp reduce requirement, ff there is no traffic at night, the does not need tr,~c congestion in the travel lanes on the other side of tbe tobe used. If there is, however, the same volume is needed to call median. for the right of way. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 I Add an appendix to 11-8.6 to read as follows: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: A-11-8.6 Purchasers may w,'mt to specify traffic flow type lighting AFFIRMATIVE: 28 such as amber directional indicators to use in alerting NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage approaching motorists of blocked or partially blocked highways. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: There is nodling in the standard that prohibits switching that allows shutting down flashing lights. The committee feels that as a minimum standard it should not mandate traffic flow type lighting but is alerting purcbasers in the (Log #114) endix to consider it. 1901- 58 - (11-11(c)): Accept in Principle BER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBMITTER: John Doperalski, Emergency One, Inc. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 RECOMMENDATION: Deleted text: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

SUBSTANTIATION: Wiring of the stabilizer system to the red flashing hazard light is redundant to section/paragraph 12-2.4u which requires separate instrumentation and controls to be mounted in the driving compartment to indicate if the stabilizer (Log #49e) system is not stowed. The separate indicator light as indicated in 1901- 61 - (12-1.10): Reject section/paragraph 12-2.4u would be 'more beneficial than wiring it SUBMITTER: Peter W. Szerlag, Arlington, MA into the hazard light with several devices. Additional wiring to the COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 hazard light would also be unnecessary cost to the truck. RECOMMENDATION: Add text to 12-1.10 to read as follows: COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. "Any apparatus with a four door cab shall be capable of serving [ Delete 12-2.4(u). as a ambulance in times of extreme emergency." COMMITTEE STATEMENT: Tile committee agrees there is not a SUBSTANTIATION: The recent Swiss Air plane crash off Halifax need for redundancy but feels the signal indicating the stabilizers Nova Scotia came within a few miles of placing 200 critically are notproperly stored should be tied into the hazard light injured people on the shoreline of a suburban/rural area. From requiredin 11-11 (c) as that provides the driver/operator a single the news report that I saw, about 17 ambulances and 20 fire trucks source of notification that the apparatus should not be moved. arrived on the shoreline in about half an hour. ff the 200 critical NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 patients were on the shoreline, then with the current rigs, only 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: units could have transported and the 20 other rigs would have sat AFFIRMATIVE: 28 around essentially unused. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This is a minimum standard. The purchaser can specify such an arrangement if they need it for their ~IB ti°n' ER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: '29 (Log #49c) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 59- (11-12): Reject AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBMITTER: Peter W. Szerlag, Arlington, MA NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Add text to 11-12 to read as follows: "Additionally, ea~zh unit shall have a dosed circuit television system to enable the apparatus driver to see objects and people at the rear of the apparatus." (Log #130) SUBSTANTIATION: This requirement could have saved at least 1901- 62 - (12-2): Accept in Principle one elderly lady in Albany, NY. SUBMITTER: Alan Saulsbury, Sanlsbury Fire Rescue Inc. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: There are other medlods, such as RECOMMENDATION: Add sentence to read ,as follows: the use of spotters, that provide drivers with information about If the cab is of the tilting type, with a powered tilting system, it objects and people at the rear of the apparatus. The purchaser shall be interlocked with the transmission neutral safety system to can specify a closed circuit television if alley feel they need one. prevent operation at any time the chassis is in motion (and the master switch is in the "off" position).

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SUBSTANTIATION: Manufacturers presently are using systems steps and walkways on fire apparatus. The coefficient of friction without such interlocks and cabs have tilted unexpectedly when was also measured for each of these surfaces. This data was daen units were in motion. The second item was added to prevent evaluated by William Marietta, PhD., C,SP. The threshold activation where the master electrical switch is "off" and cab tilting numbers recommended here are designed to eliminate the use of system activates within a and a "short" occurs in system. materials that the fire fighters felt were too slippery for stepping COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. surface use. Move the text of 2-11.2 to become a new section 12-2 and revise it Note: Supporting material available for review at NFPA to read as follows: headquarters. 12-2 Cab Tilt Systems. If the apparatus has a cab tilt system, the COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. system shall meet the requirements of 12-2.1 through 12-2.3. Revise 13-7.3 to read as follows: 12-2.1 If the operation of the tilt cab system is accomplished by All exterior surfaces designated as stepping, standing and walking hydraulic means, the system shall be equipped with devices to areas shall have a minimum average slip resistance of .68 when prevent the motion of the cab in the event of any hydraulic hose measured with the English XL tester used in accordance with failure. ASTM F 1679, Standard Test Method for Using a Variable 12-2.2 If the cab has a powered tilting system, the system shall be Incidence Tribometer (VIT) on a wetted surface. All interior interlocked to only operate when the parking brake is engaged. steps shall provide an average minimum slip resistance of .52 when This system shall be configured so that the failure of a single measured with the above referenced tester when tested on dry component will not result in unintentional tilting of the cab. surfaces. Where the fuel fill is located at or near a stepping 12-2.3 The control of the cab tilt mechanism sball be surface, the surface shall be constructed of an open grate-type accomplished clear of the cab travel area while still having the material to facilitate draining of accidentally spilled tirol to lessen travel area in clear view. A mechanical means shall be provided to any slipping hazard. hold the cab in a fully raised position. If the cab is able to be Add an appendix to 13-7.3 to read as follows: raised to a defined intermediate position, a mechanical means Apparatus are constructed with surface areas that are not shall also be provided to hold the cab in that intermediate intended to be used as stepping, standing and walkinl~ areas. position. Tbese include cosmetic andprotective coverings on horizontal Renumber current sections 12-2 and 12-3 as 12-3 and 12-4. surfaces. Purchasers should designate which areas are stepping, COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels that adding the standing or walking areas during the design of the vehicle. It is requirement shown in 12-2.2 above to the wording that is currently important that proper materials are selected for the application shown in 2-11.2 will meet the submitters intent. The text in 2-11.2 and local conditions. is all being moved to chapter 12 as this is a more appropriate When selecting stepping, standing and walking surfaces, the section for the requirements. purchaser should take into consideration the long term use of dae NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 vehicle. The slip resistance of certain surfaces may deteriorate VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: over time. It is also important for the user to properly maintain or AFFIRMATIVE: 28 replace slip resistant materials as they deteriorate over time. NOT RETURNED: I Gage COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee has deleted the reference to tile Brungraber tester as the coefficient of friction is different with the different test methods and the numbers aPlresented are based on the English XL tester. The committee so feels it is important to add some appendix material so that (Log #59) purchaser and manufacturer will know what is to be considered 1901- 63- (13-7.3): Reject the stepping, standing and walking areas subject to this SUBMITTER= JohnJ. Chadwick, American LaFrance Corp. requirement. This appendix supports dae Committee's Action on COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 Public Comment 1901-71 (Log #58). RECOMMENDATION: Delete entire paragraph. Replace with NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 original 1901-96 text paragraph 11-7.3 VOTE ON COMMITrEE ACTION: SUBSTANTIATION: 1. The paragraph is too vague and lends AFFIRMATIVE: 28 --- itself to different interpretations. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage 2. Not clearly defined. 3. Specifies minimum slip resistance and test methodology, however it does not define a common boot/shoe sole material to conduct the test. Is the test to be conducted using soles made from rubber, neoprene, leather or other materials currently used (Log #183) for manufacturing firefighter footwear? The paragraph does not 1901- 65 - (13-7.3): Reject specify a sole traction type, i.e. smooth, cleated, waffle tread, etc. SUBMITTER: Lloyd A. DeWald, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. All of these factors will affect the slip resistance results obtained COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-71 with various walkway/step materials. RECOMMENDATION: Eliminate proposed revisions to text ,and COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. leave the old text. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 (Log #117). Firefighters wear various types of soles on their footwear mad there is no requirement for soles for fire fighter footwear. Also, the studies done by firefigbters represented a broad cross section of'footwear soles. Strut .-,.vel:~ w ..... /DIAemP\ ^" "~'~ Eng!'zh XL tcztc= uacd in NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 ...... n ...... :""...... t, ewe, F I ~,m. S~ndard Tcat Lic~zcd far Ua:ng A VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: : .... : ...... '--" llp AFFIRMATIVE: 28 ...... r ...... prc;'dc an a;'cmgc m'n".mum ~ resi~nnzc of

NOT RETURNED: l Gage "...... == -*"-^~ •"TiC2~ i/re d d~ ' -,,:"-• ...... -'-~ ~ ...... " ...... a ...... All ster)s. Dlafforms. or ladders shall have skid-resistant surfaces. Wl{ere the fuel fill is located at or near a stepping surface, the surface shall be constructed of an open grate-type material to facilitate draining of accidentally spilled fuel to lessen any slipping (Log #117) hazard. 1901- 64 - (13-7.3): Accept in Principle SUBSTANTIATION: While it is desirable to define "slip SUBMITTER: Robert D. Tutterow, FDSOA resistance" in measurable terms, the coefficients of friction COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 proposed lmve not been objectively tested as being the minimum RECOMMENDATION: Change the exterior coefficient of friction coefficient of friction that provides a minimum level of slip from 0.65 to 0.68 and interior surface coefficient of friction from resishance that is sufficient to eliminate slips and falls. The 0.55 to 0.52. coefficients of friction proposed should not be based on SUBSTANTIATION: The Safety Task Group of the Fire eliminating any materials currendy being used for step and walking Department Apparatus Committee has been collecting data on the surfaces based on biases relative to those materials rather than subjective evaluation by fire fighters of what level of slip resistance objective, quantitative data. Coefficients of friction need to be they would consider s:ffe for their use. This was accomplished defined based on scientific, objective, unbiased tests of various using blind testing of 10 different surfaces that could be used for materials used for step and walking surfaces that are perceived to

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be slip-resistant. If those tests have not been completed or there SUBSTANTIATION: Many surface areas such as cosmetic are not conclusive results available, then the standard should be coverings around or a part of walks, platforms or steps are not left as it is until such time as there is data to support this proposed intended to be tile walking or stepping surface. The use of slip change. Without scientific, quantitative data to support the resistant step and walking surface inserts is common among many proposed minimum coefficients of friction, this standard would be manufacturers for tile area designed for a firefighter to step or walk design restrictive and/or not a minimum standard. on even though the area surrounding the insert may not meet the COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. slip resistant requirements of dais paragraph. The proposed COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public changes here are intended to clarify that only the intended step Comment 1901-64 (Log #117) and the supporting material. The and walking surfaces are subject to the slip resistant requirements committee feels that the "human factors" testing have provided of this paragraph. conclusive results. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMM]TTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: Comment 1901-64 (Log #117) which the committee feels meets the AFFIRMATIVE: 28 submitters intent. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #33) 1901- 66 - (13-7.3 and A-13-7.3 (New)): Accept in Principle in Part SUBMITTER: Joseph E. Boone, S&S Fire Apparatus Co. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 (Log #25) RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: 1901- 68- (13-7.5): Reject 13-7.3" All exter'~r -;~!'-=, F!zffcr:z:..: ~a.4+ :teF: surfaces intended SUBMITTER: RobertJ. Barraclough, Class 1, Inc. walking or stennin~ areas shall have slip resistant surfaces +~ COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Add the words "or equivalent" after "No ...... ~ .... I" ...... L+- ...... prc;'~c :.n =vcregc... Where the fuel fill... Step" in this paragraph. Add text to read as follows: SUBSTANTIATION: There may be other wording or a symbol A-13-7.3 Annaratus are constructed with surface areas that are that could also accomplish the intent of tile paragraph. not intended I~o be ~scd as a stenning area. These often include COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITrEE STATEMENT: The committee is removing the cosmetic coverings around a steDsurface insert that are a nart of requirement for a "No Step" sign. See Committee Action on the sten but are not to be used as a stenning area. Only the Public Comment 1901-71 (Log #58) surface area intended for stenDin~ or ~lkin~ needs to be a slin NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 resistant surface. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: SUBSTANTIATION: First, the slip resistant numbers specified in AFFIRMATIVE: 28 the draft are not adequately substantiated at this time. Many NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage manufacturers of fire apparatus express concern that the lack of adequate support for tile slip resistant numbers and conflicting evidence in the documentation already obtained will inevitably lead to problems. It is therefore felt that it would be better to eliminate the slip resistant numbers and have no measurement (Log #52) than to have numbers or a measurement means that are going to 1901- 69- (13-7.5): Accept produce erroneous results. SUBMITTER: J. C. Bolh'ng, Singer Assoc. Fire Equipment, Inc. Second, many surface areas such as cosmetic coverings around or COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 a part of walks, platforms or steps are not intended to be the RECOMMENDATION: Delete text as follows: walking or stepping surface. The use of slip resistant step and Hcr':c:.+^..2 ;'~,-~,=ccz :+ct ":.tc:~c~ ++c 5c ":.':[kc~ c= :',;c~ ~.= c.,~5 walking surface inserts is common among many manufacturers for file area designed for a firefighter to step or walk on even tiaough SUBSTANTiAV(ION: This will create too many repetitive labels the area surrounding the insert may not be slip resistant. The on the typical fire apparatus, and the importance of any label on a proposed changes are intended to clarify tiaat only the intended fire apparatus will diminish due to the redundancy of such step and walking surfaces need to be slip resistant. labeling. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle in Part. Has any statistics actually been gathered to identify this need? If COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is not deleting the so then ti~e ability should exist to target any area actually causing text in the requirements defined in 13-7.3 but is adding an accidents from falls (instead of blanket coveringof all horizontal appendix. surfaces). Let's rethink how we as fire service should actually See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 (Log #117). achieve a reduction in accidents from falls before we cause a fire NUMBER OF COMMrI'rEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 apparatus to resemble a "Nascar race car" by requiring so many VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: redundant decals/labels. Perhaps this is a gaining issue instead of AFFIRMATIVE: 28 an apparatus design issue. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage (Log #34) 1901- 67 - (13-7.3 and A-13-7.3 (New)): Accept in Principle SUBMITTER: Joseph E. Boone, S&S Fire Apparatus Co. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: (Log #54) 13-7.3" All c::tcr'~r :*.~l'.;, ~I:.ffcrm~ ^.-~ :tc~; surfaces intended 1901- 70 - (13-7.5): Accept a~ walkin~ or ste_npin~ ~areas shall have...All interior s~ps-~ SUBM/TTER: Jeffrey D. Key, Orion Twp Fire Dept, MI intended as walkin~ or stennin~ areas shall... COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 Add text to read as follows: RECOMMENDATION: Delete tile following text: A-13-7.3 Annaratus are constructed with surface areas that ~re not intended to be used as a stennin~ area. These often include SUBSTANTiAtION: This proposed revision is another example cosmetic coverings around a sten surface insert that are :~ p~trt of of file misguided and unwarranted efforts by some to make our the sten but are not to be used as a stennin~ area. Only the apparatus and equipment "idiot" proof. If we are file surface area intended for stennin~ or walkin~ should be subject to "professionals" that we claim, shouldn't we be expected to behave the slin resistance reouirements of this par~Erraph.

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in a safe and professional manner without having to be warned at SUBSTANTIATION: This statement refers to a number of areas, every turn against obviously unsafe activities? such as the cab roof, hosebed and the well area forward hosebed This absurd requirement will result in dozens of "No Step" well area above the pump which are inaccessible for maintenance placards littering the exterior of our vehicles. The apparatus will and cleaning not to mention items which may be stored there. soon resemble the numerous consumer products that are now The average apparatus would have less decals with the actual steps covered with warning labels and placards intended to protect the being labeled. The entire top of the apparatus would have to be "stupid" and the careless from themselves. labeled deeming it inaccessible. In many instances these warning labels serve no other purpose COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. than attempting to shift liability for ?? and dangerous behavior COMMITrEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting this from the manufacturer to the user, and have no real effect on public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix product safety. item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. (Log #117). NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #58) (Log #93) 1901- 71 - (13-7.5): Accept 1901- 73 - (13-7.5): Accept SUBMITTER: Roger McCurley, Flower Mound Fire Dept., TX SUBMITTER: Michael V. Jackson, Canton Fire Dept., IL J. R. Mayfield, Cedar Hill Fire Dept., TX (Log #94) COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 Travis Ownby, Flower Mound Fire Dept., TX (Log #95) I RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following text: Eric Greaser, Coppell Fire Dept., TX (Log #98) Hor:zc ..... fir...... b Rick Frye, Hurst Fire Dept., TX (Log #99) rac~ zn~ ccmp~-L-..ent tcpz "_h~l h=:'e a :!gn z~Sag "Ne SteF.". Robert Bennett, Arlington Fire Dept., TX (Log #100) SUBSTANTIATION: The statement "Horizontal Surfaces" on a David A. Ogilvie, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. (Log #184) fire truck can relate to numerous surfaces which in turn will lead Joe Wyzard, New Albany Fire Dept., IN (Log #200) to signs affixed on every part of the u'uck. Tony Russell, Sullivan Fire Dept., IN (Log #201) We are under the belief that there are too many warning labels Tim Shott, Sullivan Fire Dept•, IN (Log #202) that are being ignored already. By adding needless labels it just Dave Simpson, Sullivan Fire Dept., IN (Log #203) clutters the working environment. We feel that the men and Robert Joe Bennett, City of Brazil, IN (Log #204) women of the fire service are competent enough to understand Paul Watson, Terre Haute Fire DetJt. , IN (Log #205) where they should be stepping and should not be stepping. There Charles M. Smith, Jeffersonville Fire Dept., IN (Log #206) are other more important safety concerns that shouldbe [)avid Spalding, Metro Fire Service, KY (Log #207) addressed. D. William Davis, Jeffersonville Fire Dept.,IN (Log #208) COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. David Anderson, New Albany Fire Dept., IN (Log #210) COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting this Ben C. Florance, Johnson County Fire Chiefs Assn. (Log #238) [public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following text: (Log #117). H~-z~z~^~! zz.'qz~cz n~t "ntcn~cd t.~ bc ;':~2kcd ~n z'.:ch ^~ ca5 NUMBER OF COMMrlWEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: SUBSTANTik,~ION: The statement "Horizontal surfaces" can AFFIRMATIVE: 28 relate to numerous areas on a fire truck, such as: aluminhm NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage hosebed covers, cross-lay covers, storage/hatch compartment tops, water tank tower covers, cab roofs, compartment tops, pump panel light shields, generator covers, HDR roofs, filler cab roofs, tops of (Log #96) elliptical tankers, empty hosebed areas, reel enclosures, A/C 1901- 74- (13-7.5): Reject covers, etc. Basically, a typical pumper would likely have a dozen SUBMITTER: Kenny Adarncik, The ColonY Fire Dept, TX or more "No Step" signs on it. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 The statement "not intended to be walked on" will cause a lot of RECOMMENDATION: Flat surface should not be marked with disagreement and consternation. It is unrealistic to believe that no step signs. Overkill users of the fire apparatus won't on some occasion step on some SUBSTANTIATION: None given of the areas listed above. However, if manufacturers are forced to COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. identify some of these areas as official stepping areas (thus COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The submitter has not provided a eliminating the need for a No Step sign), then a whole new set of recommendation for the committee to consider• issues arise; such as, what about hand rails and what about the NUMBER OF COMMrI~'EE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 new definition of an acceptable non-slip surface (NFPA 1901, 11- VOTE ON COMMITI'EE ACTION: 7.3). The use of aluminum treadplate on any horizontal surface AFFIRMATIVE: 28 will basically become nonexistent. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage Also, keep in mind, when compartment lift up doors are opened up, they become a horizontal surface. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting this (Log #97) public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix 1901- 75 - (13-7.5): Reject item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 SUBMITTER: Glenn Thurber, Summit Voi. Fire Dept., NY (Log #117). COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 RECOMMENDATION: None given VOTE ON COMMIT]?EE ACTION: SUBSTANTIATION: Safety is a very important part of the fire AFFIRMATIVE: 28 service but placing "No Step" stickers all over the truck, give us a NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage break! We at the fire department do not need or want "No Step" stickers all over our truck that we will be purchasing in the near future. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. (Log #62) COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The submitter has not provided a 1901- 72- (13-7.5): Accept recommendation for the committee to consider. SUBMITrER: Sean M. O'Connor, S. Amboy Fire Dept., NJ NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: I RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following text: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 H~-zcn'~.2 ~u:-facez n~t !ntcnlcd t~ hc ;'.-x:kcd ~.n, ~uc!: ~ c-"b NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage ._~c. ~ -~--U "^P- ""-" ' ...... :gz .... :_g ,,~,,^ c.^p,,

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(Log #109) clearness of thought and common sense to vote against this asinine 1901- 76- (13-7.5): Accept recommendati on, SUBMITTER: Dick Steinberg, Bristol Fire Dept., VA What were they thinking? Did the 21 members of this committee COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 truly, consider the hardship this could cause the manufactures and I RECOMMENDATION: Delete text: the expense it would cost fire departments across this country? Did the committee members feel that firefighters need this type of "Big Brother" protection? The job of firefighfing and hazard SUBSTANTIATION: This is overkill that will result in driving the mitigation is still difficult and dangerous; yes, people get hurt. Did cost of apparatus even higher, with no benefit to the departments. the committee feel that putting a sign on all horizontal surfaces COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. would some how prevent accidents? ff they felt that way, let's get COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting this real! Training is the solution to the issue, not a sign. fffire public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix department liability was the concern why not use one warning item to 13-7.5. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 label that says, "Stay away from dais apparatus you might get hurt." (Log #117). I know that comment has a bit of sarcasm but, it is upsetting to see NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 overkill on simple issues. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: Let us not forget NFPA is a consensus standard. It should not be AFFIRMATIVE: 28 shoved down the throat of the fire service as the gospel! I NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage acknowledge some positive common sense recommendations have resulted from some of the committees. However, in my opinion the intent of this recommendation missed the mark therefore; it should be stricken. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. (Log #118) COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The submitter has not provided a 1901- 77- (13-7.5): Reject recommendation for the committee to consider. SUBMITTER: Bob Harris, Global Fire Equipment NUMBER OF COMMITrEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: RECOMMENDATION: None given AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBSTANTIATION: The "horizontal surface" would be any any NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage part on top of the apparatus, such as cab roof, hosebed, compt. tops, and you would need the whole area covered with tags saying not to step here. This is not a step of which they would step on (Log #131 ) anyway. This is not a very practical idea and would do more harm 1901- 80- (13-7.5): Accept than good. SUBMITTER: Phil D'Angelo, Midway Fire Dept., NY COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The submitter has not provided a RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following text: recommendation for the committee to consider. H~r'z~'~..d ='~'.-facc~ r.c.: i:==c::.dcd :~ ~c ":,x!kcd c.x =-at!- ^~ .~ NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: SUBSTANTIATION: There are too many horizontal surfaces on AFFIRMATIVE: 28 a fire Iruck that would have to be signed which would lead to the NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage signs being removed thus providing no safety benefit - this is overkill and will lead to non-conformance and that will void the intent of the section. Not intended to be walked on is too wide of a statement that will lead to many different interpretations - there are places on a truck that are not intended to be a step that (Log #119) occasionally are stepped on - you can't prevent that - making a 1901- 78- (13-7.5): Accept circus wagon out of trucks with stickers won't stop it either. SUBMITTER: RobertJ. Stecher, W. Peoria Fire Protection Dist., Enough is enough - please!l! IL COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting this RECOMMENDATION: I have a recommendation that these public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix stickers not beput on a painted surface. item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 SUBSTANTIATION: Common sense should be used to not stand (Log #117). on these areas. NUMBER OF COMMITIT3E MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMITrEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting this AFFIRMATIVE: 28 public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 (Log #117). NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #136) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 81 - (13-7.5): Accept AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBMITYER: John P. Cratty, Galesburg Fire Dept., IL NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following text: Hcriz~.nw2 :-arface= net i=ts.'=dea.a, tc u-c ;'r-!!:ed c= :'.:el'. ~ ~ r ^^c- ^-~ ...... "---at" .... ,.^,, k ...... :~ ..~+:__ "~T^ e.~" SUBSTANT~t~ION: My experience is from 20 years as a prod (Log #120) firefighter the last four years as . What is the cost/benefit 1901- 79- (13-7.5): Reject of this proposed change. If the current standard provides SUBMITTER: Charles Gaines, Oklahoma City Fire Dept., OK adequate re.~uirements for steps on fire apparatus why label every COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 other place ' no step". We provide seats in apparatus but it doesn't RECOMMENDATION: I have reviewed the Report on Proposal mean we have to label all other horizontal surfaces as "no sitting". that recommends a revision to title 1901.11-7 to read: COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. "Stepping, Standing, and Walking Surfaces." COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting this It was also recommended that a new Secdon 11-7.5 be added to public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix read: item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 "Horizontal surfaces not intended to be walked on such as cab (Log #117). roofs and i:ompartment tops shall have a sign stating "No Step." NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBSTANTIATION: The above recommendation makes me VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: seriously question file ideology and leadership of the committee. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 The number of committee members eligible to vote on this issue NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage was 27. There were 21 who gave an ~ffirmative vote to this language, five who did not respond, and one person who has the

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(Log #156) SUBSTANTIATION: The possible surfaces that would require 1901- 82- (13-7.5): Accept dais signage is almost unlimited. I recognize the possible SUBMITTER: Gary E. Burriss, IN Fire Chiefs AAA consequences regarding safety but don't see this slgnage as a COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 solution. I RECOMMENDATION: Delete text as follows: COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. Ho-zcn'^..2 ='a:'facc= =or ":=tcndcd to bc -':=2kc~ c= ='-cI: ^..z cab COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting dais public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix SUBSTANTiAtION: This is an unrealistic statement. This seems item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 to be an effort to promulgate an unneeded and unwanted (Log #11 7). standard. It will create additional ex'pense, liability, and clutter. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting dais AFFIRMATIVE: 28 public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 (Log #117). NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 (Log #195) NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage 1901- 86- (13-7.5): Accept SUBMITTER: Scott Koehler, Camano Isl Fire & Rescue, WA COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following text: Hor'zontal =uffacc= not "~=tc=dcd to ~c v:alked o~ zuc!- az ca u_ (Log #157) 1901- 83- (13-7.5): Accept SUBSTANTiAtION: The placement of "No Step" signs all over SUBMITTER: Stewart D. Williams, Gate City Fire Dept., VA the outside of an apparatus will detract from the looks of a vehicle, COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 will not be seen in the dark and is an expensive and cumbersome RECOMMENDATION: Delete text as follows: attempt in the name of "safety" with little potential payback. Hc.~.zcn'~.! z'.::-faccz not "ntcxdcd tc bc :':~2kcd ca ='dc'~ ~ c=~ COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting dais SUBSTANTiAtION: Most units will be nothing 9out signs. This public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix is another case of some idiot looking for a reason to keep his job. item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 Let's use common sense here. There are too many warning labels (Log #117). now that people pay no attention to, now these. We need to teach NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 more common sense to our people and less covering them in their VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: stupidity and awarding them for this with injury settlements. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting this public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 (Log #117). NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #211 ) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:, 1901- 87- (13-7.5): Accept AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBMrrTER: D. Andrew Moreland, Vigo Twp. Vol. Fire Dept. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following text: Hcr:.z.2nt=2 z-.:.'-fa=c= nc.t "ntc=dcd tc ~c ;'~!!:cd cn ='.:d~ ~..z cab SURSTAN , ON: None given. (Log #176) COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. 1901- 84- (13-7.5): Accept COMMJ[TTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting this SUBMITTER: Jerry E. Quire, Anderson Dept. of Fire & public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix Emergency Services, IN item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 (Log #117). RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following text: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 Hc-zcnm! zu~acez n~t intcndcd tc ~c :;n.dkcd ca ~uc!~ ~ cab VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBSTANTiAtION: The inclusion of this statement shoul~be NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage considered unnecessary. There are many horizontal surfaces that would need to be identified and this statement should be considered as over-regulation. The matter should be handled by the consumer darough in-housing training. (Log #212) COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. 1901- 88- (13-7.5): Accept COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting tiffs SUBMITTER: Kevin Lalley, Dixon Rural Fire Protection Dist., IL public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 RECOMMENDATION: Delete file following text: (Log #1 17). Hcr~.z~n'~2 e'.:ffzce= net :.~te~a.ded te be :'.~!!'.ed cn ~'.:c!: .~ cab NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: SUBSTANTiAtION: The statement horizontal surfaces is to AFFIRMATIVE: 28 vague and will end up with numerous sign all over the apparatus. NOT RETURNED: 1 (;age This sign will not deter firefighters from stepping on the surface. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting dais public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 (Log #194) (Log #117). 1901- 85- (13-7.5): Accept NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBMITTER: Michael Wilcox, Dixon City Fire Dept., IL VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following text: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage Hor'zo=m! :nrfaccs not intended to bc v:~lkcd on ~'acl~ as cab

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(Log #237) (Log #112) 1901- 89- (13-7.5): Accept 1901- 92 - (14-2.1): Accept SUBMITTEI~ Fred Windisch, Ponderosa Vol. Fire Dept., TX SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Waterous Co. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following text: RECOMMENDATION: Delete tile following text: Hc-zcn'~..2 z'~acc~ net :.ntcndcd tc ~c -',rJ!'.cd cn ~ucl~ ^.~ cab

SUBSTANTIATION: The statement "Horizontal surfaces" can relate to numerous areas on a fire truck, such as; aluminum Sen~STANTIATION: Design restrictive. Although these are die hosebed covers, cross-lay covers, storage/hatch compartment tops, only two methods of providing power today, it prevents apparatus water tank tower covers, cab roofs, compartment tops, empty builders from considering alternative power sources. The source hosebed areas, reel enclosures, A/C covers, etc. Basically, a of power should be irrelevant as long as file apparatus meets the typical pumper would likely have a dozen or more "No Step" signs other requirements in dae standard. on it. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. The statement "not intended to be walked on" is really silly. It is NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 unrealistic to believe that firefighters will not walk on anything that VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: is horizontal, vertical, angled or upside down for that matter, ff AFFIRMATIVE: 28 manufacturers are forcedto identify some of these areas as offidal NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage stepping areas (thus eliminating the need for a No Step sign), then a whole new set of issues arise, such as; what about hand rails and what about the new definition of an acceptable non-slip surface (Log #216) (NFPA 1901, (NEW) 13-7.3). The use of aluminum treadplate on 1901- 93 - (14-2.4.1(a)): Reject any horizontal surface will basically become non-existant. SUBMITTER: DanJuntune, Waterous Co. This standards making process must halt the proliferation of COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 having standards attempt to address every possible liability issue RECOMMENDATION: Propose to add an additional table wifla versus placing the responsibilities on die users. Pretty soon fire metric ratings similar to reference table, and delete hard apparatus will not have to be painted due to flae number of signs conversions of metric data from tills table. This will in effect that are "required". create a dual rating system with purchasers able to select the COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. appropriate ratingand units of measure for their jurisdiction. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting this SUBSTANTIATION: The United States Federal Government has public comment but encourages attention to the new appendix an established policy advocating change to metric measure. To item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 facilitate dills, and to allow American products to be truly (Log #117). competitive in the global market, we need to rate products in NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 metric units, not simply restate our U.S. measure in metric VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: equivalents. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMITTEE STATEMENT" The submitter has not provided the data to create these tables. The committee will be looking at the metrification issue for the next edition and invites the submitters (Log #240) input. 1901- 90 - (13-7.5): Accept NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBMITTER: CharlesJ. Baker, Wayne Twp. Fire Dept., IN VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-69, 1901-217 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 RECOMMENDATION: Delete reference to signs on horizontal NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage surfaces.

SUBSTANTIATION: We do not choose to have a lot of (Log #63) extraneous markings all over our apparatus. Signs should be 1901-94- (Table 14-2.4.1(a)): Accept placed only where safety measures require them. Paragraph SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Waterous Co. should be reworded. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. RECOMMENDATION: Change heading in far right column from COMMriTEE STATF.aMENT: The committee is accepting this "Maximum Lift" to "Minimum Lift". public comment but encourages attention to file new appendix SUBSTANTIATION: The lift shown in the table is the minimum item to 13-7.3. See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-64 performance required, not the maximum performance. Any given (Log #117). pump must be'able to meet or exceed the lift requirements shown NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 in the table. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage (Log #75) 1901- 91 - (13-10.1): Reject SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 (Log #77) RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: 1901- 95 - (14-2.4.1(a) and (b)): Reject Crosslav hose beds shall not exceed 48 in. in height. SUBMITTER: L H. Stevens, JEMS SUBSTANTIATION: NFPA states step heights, gauge and control COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 heights, now it is time to state maximum for attack line beds. RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: There is no manufacturing reason for 7 to 10 ft attack line beds. 3500 ~om numb to charts and all data. 48 in. allows 1 ft of hose height to remain at the shoulder height of SUBST[/~IT-IATION: Hale offers a 3500 gpm UL pump and the a 5 ft 8 in. firefighter. standard does not address requirements. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels flilat 48 in. may COMMITTEE STATEMENT: There is insufficient data available be too low in some cases. This is a minimum standard. The at this time to create this information. purchasing anthority can specify tile height that best meets the NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 departments operational needs. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

176 NFPA 1901 --A99 ROC

(Log #3) (Log #132) 1901- 96 - (Table 14-2.4.1(a) and Table 14-2.4.1(b)): Accept in 1901- 98- (14-4.3): Reject Principle SUBMITTER: Michael Ruthy, WS Darley & Co. SUBMITTER: Gary Handwerk, Hale Products, Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Change "under any p,umping condition" RECOMMENDATION: Change the maximum suction hose size to "under any reasonable pumping condition' of the 2000 gpm pump from ~ to 8in.. Also add 8 in. hose loss SUBSTANTIATION: Phrase is too open ended. For instance, a data to Table 14-2.4.1 (b) for 2000, 2250, and 2500 gpm. frozen pump can absorb full engine torque, or a 750 gpm pump SUBSTANTIATION: New 8 in. suction is now on the market and could be fedvia relay by two 2000 gpm pumps. If it is the intent will change the way we use bigger pumps. that all pumping systems be equipped with torque limiting devices, COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. the standard should state that directly. Add a line to Table 14-2.4.1(a) for 2000 gpm (7570 L/min) for COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. one 8 in. (200 ram) suction line with a minimum lift of 6 ft (1.8 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: Reasonable is not a measurable m). term and therefore does not create a definitive requirement in the I Add data to Table 14-2.4.1 (b) as as shown below. standard. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is adding a line in NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: table 14-2.4.1 (a) for a 20(10 gpm pump with a single 8 in. suction VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: line. It is also expanding table 14-2.4.1(b) to adddata for the AFFIRMATIVE: 28 testing of 2000 gpm, 2250 gpm, 2500 gpm, and 3000 gpm pumps NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage using 8 in suction hose. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage (Log #173) 1901- 99- (14-4.3): Reject SUBMITTER: Michael Ruthy, WS Darley & Co. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: !901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: (Log #6) "...to a level equal to or below the component manufacturer's 1901- 97- (14-3.5): Accept c.~='.!:uc.=c intermittent duty torque rating." SUBMITTER: Gary Handwerk, Hale Products, Inc. SUBSTANTIATION: It can be desirable to not limit performance COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 when discharging a single tank full of water, especially when first RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: confronting a fire. Also, most PTO manufacturer's allow the 165 A supplementary heat exchanger cooling system shall be provided ~si overload test to be performed above the continuous rating but on-for the pump drive engine. elow the intermittent rating due to its short duration. SUBSTANTIATION: The word on restricts builder to only one COMMITTEE ACTION: Reiect. style of exchanger. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The current wording is appropriate COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. to protect the equipment. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 (',age NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

Flow Rate Three O in. 8 in Two 8 in. (gpm) ft water in. Hg. ft waier in. ft water in. Hg. Hg. 2000 4.3 /1.1) 3.8 140(, ..... 2.0 (0.6) 1.8 looo 1.o (0.3) 0.9

~ DUt n,l~ 5.0 hlfJ I ilOl[ll4i [..~ I~~IWI~ 2.2 1.1 HWBE~

0.2 1.5 (0.4) 1.3 2.8 0.8 (0.2) 0.7 1.3 0.4 (o.1) 0.4

3000 3.4 (0.0) 3.0 10.1 9.0 2.3 0.6) 2.1 (3.o) 210() 1.7 (0.3) 1.5 4.7 (1.3) 4.2 1.0 (0,3) 0.9 1500 0.9 (0.2) 0.8 2.3 (0.7) 2.1 0.6 (0.2) 0.5

177 NFPA 1901 --A99 ROC

(Log #182) (Log #76) 1901- 100- (14-4.3): Reject 1901- 102 - (14-6.1): Reject SUBMITTERa Roger Lackore, Pierce Mamffacturing Inc. SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-76 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: RECOMMENDATION: Remove the word maximum add 14-4.3 When the engine and pumping system under any pumping minimum. condition has the capability to exceed the component SUBSTANTIATION: There is no good re,on to state a manufacturer's continuous duty torque rating, a mc:::~s ska!l be maximum number of suctions or suction size. At least one fire provided to conwol tl~e e:=~ne o::tp',:t to a !c-'c! equal to or below service pump on the market will UL at 750 to 2000 gpmjust by • 1...... ¢...... ' ..... ; ...... a ...... ~.t:. ::g ,_a changing supply line diameter and number. Departments in high lahe] shall be provided to indicate the m,'Lximum numn discharge ;dtitnde areas always spec larger suction inlets and commonly draft pressures and flow rates that must not be exceeded to avoid with two or more full size and or a fnU size and pony suction. damage to the driveline comnonents. Departments who want common suction threads will spec 5 or 6 in. suction connections on all apparatus. The number and size ,as A-14~4.3 Each component in the drive line It,as a continuous duty long as it does the job should be left up to the purchaser. torque rating. At tl;is !c;'cl ~f us;.gc, cat!, c~mpc.qe,qt also k:~ a COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The size and number of sucdon .... .'~ ...... t3 ...... I ...... lines specified in Table 14-2.4.1 (a) are for rating purposes only...... :~:~ ,1,: ...... , ...... *o Operation above the tot(hie The user can use any size suction they desire. rating will reduce component life. Power-take-off (PTO) driven NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 numn installations are esneciallv sensitive to bein~ ooerated above VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: tbeir ratings. For app,-xratus snecified with PTO driven numn AFFIRMATIVE: 28 installations, a fl0wmeter shmild be orovided that will allow the NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage pump operator to ensure that the caoabilitv limits of oressure and flow are not exceeded. An bourmeter activated by tile pumping system and marked with a label should be provided to log the number of hours of drive system usage for any instance when the (Log #113) pump is operated above tile maximum flow and nressnre limits. 1901- 103 - (14-6.1): Accept SUBSTANTIATION: The issue .being addressed"by this proposed SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Waterous Co. addition applies mainly to large PTO driven pumps where tile COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 pump can consume more torque titan the transmission PTO can I RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: bandle on a continuous basis° The only means to protect the PTO Intake(s) of the same or larger size and quantity than the without human intervention is to program the engine with a maximums specified in Table 14-2.4.1(a) for suction bose size and secondary torque curve that provides a flat torque output. The number of suction lines shall be provided. selected torque value must account for the parasitic requirements SUBSTANTIATION: Replace "hoses" with "suction lines" for of the alternator, air conditioning compressor, and engine clarity. Table 14-2.4.1(a) specifies "Maximum Number of Suction performance variations. Most engines bare a stated tolerance on Lines", not "Maximum Number of Hoses". performance of +_5 percent. To be sure that the PTO is protected, COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. the torque curve must be determined assuming the engine is NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 programmed to the high side of the performance tolerance and VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: without the alternator or AC compressor load. This would mean, AFFIRMATIVE: 28 ttowever, that tile available torque would fall short of the NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage maximum torque required to operate a pump coupled to a low tolerance engine with full alternator and AC compressor loads. In other words, the desired "fool-proofing" cannot be accomplished widtout compromising pump output performance. 14-4.3 also limits the engine selection to those suppliers that have die (Log #79) capability to program a secondary torque curve. The above 1901- 104 - (14-6.1.2): Accept in Principle proposed wording will address the concern with ,an acceptable SUBMITTER: I., H. Stevens, JEMS minimum standard without being overly restrictive. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following text: COMMITTEE STATEMENT: A label will not protect tiae PTO "...on each appropriate intake" from damage. SUBSTANTIATION: As written it implies all intakes must have NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 adapters to suction hose. That is not a minimum standard, it is a VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: maximum. If you intend to only use a side intake why should you AFFIRMATIVE: 28 need fittings on all inlets? Let the department be the department. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. Revise 14-6.1.2 to read as follows: 14-6.1.2 ffthe couplings on the suction hose carried on the apparatus are of a different size than tile pump intake(s) or bave other means of hose attachment than that provided on file (Log #133) intake(s), an adapter(s) shall be provided to allow connection of 1901- 101 - (14-5.2): Accept the suction hose to the pump intake(s). SUBMITTER: Michael Ruthy, WS Darley & Co. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: Tile committee has rewritten the COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 requirement to show either single or multiple connections so the RECOMMENDATION: Insert text to read as follows: user can decide what intakes they will be using and provide hydrostatic test of 500 psi minimum (3450 kPa)... adapters as appropriate for those connections. SUBSTANTIATION: This change allows for higher hydrostatic NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: .'29 tests at pump mamffacturer's discretion. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

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(Log #78) COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. 1901- 105 - (14-6.1.3): Accept in Principle NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage or orovide a oressure dump valve on the outboard side of the suction valve to nrevent water hammer and air compression on the closed valve SUBSTANTIATION: NFPA provides a warning without explanation. Yet in the appendix the standard suggests adding a (Log #107) valve to the side suction. It is essential to explain the problem and 1901- 108- (14-6.3): Reject protect the apparatus and personnel with a defensive automatic SUBMITTER: ThomasJ. Hagans, Emergency One, Inc. system. Waterous offers one now and all after market valves can COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 have a dump valve. RECOMMENDATION: Revise as follows: COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. At least one intake shall be provided that can be controlled from Revise 14-6.6 to read as follows: the pump cperator'z Fc=i*-"~n ~ The valve and piping shall be Each valved intake having a connection size of 3 1/2 in. (89 ram) a minimum of 2.5 in. (65 mm) nominal size. ia. (100 :~,m) or larger shall be equipped with an adjustable SUBSTANTIATION: This would keep personnel attaching the automatic pressure relief device installed on the supply side of the hose from having to climb up to the operator's panel on a top valve to bleed off pressure from a hose connected to the valved mount pump panel truck. They wouldhave the valve control intake. The pressure relief device shall discharge to atmosphere. down on the side of file truck with the valve. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This change will provide additional COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. protection for the situation addressed in 14-6.1.3. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels that at least NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 one valved intake needs to be controlled at the pump operators VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: %sition AFFIRMATIVE: 28 BER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #142) 1901- 106- (14-6.1.3): Reject SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN (Log #153) COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 1901- 109 - (14-6.3): Accept in Principle RECOMMENDATION: Delete entire paragraph. SUBMITTER: ThomasJ. Mettler, Waterous Co. SUBSTANTIATION: The warning does not state who is in COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 danger nor why. The pump operator will not know what to do to RECOMMENDATION: Add an additional sentence to the prevent "Serious Injury or Death". The only two logical paragraph as follows: conclusions that can be reached by the operator are: 1) Don't If the intake is 2-1/2 in. (65mm) nominal size, the intake should supply the inlet from a pressurized source or; 2) Open the valve be equipped with a female swivel coupling with National Hose before the line is charged. Both of these conclusions are threads. impractical from a firefighting perspective. A valved inlet must be SUBSTANTIATION: The 1996 edition included a requirement used when operating from a pressurized source, and opening the for a 2-1/2 in. auxiliary valved intake. The revised standard has valve prior to charging the line will cause loss of prime when removed the 2-1/2 in. as a requirement but does permit the use of drafting, The warning could also be interpreted to mean that the this size intake. If supplied, the female swivel coupling with valve should not be shut offwhen flowing water through it from a National Hose threads will facilitate attachment with a 2-1/2 inch pressurized source, in which case it makes no sense to have a valve. hose with male National Hose thread. If the warning is in fact true, then valved intakes should not be COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. allowed at the pump operator's position or they should be Add the submitters suggested wording but change the word designed in such a way as to not cause "Serious Injury or Death" if "should" to"shall". supplied by a pressurized source when the valve is closed. Finally, The sentence will read as follows: it is unclear why the warning is required only for inlets located at If the intake is 2-1/2 in. (65mm) nominal size, the intake shall be the pump operator's position. The same risk of injury is present equipped with a female swivel coupling with National Hose no matter where the inlet is located. threads. If the subject paragraph is not deleted, at least an explanation COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The word "shall" is used to state a should appear in the Appendix to address die isstles mentioned requirement in the body of the standard. above. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The existing wording is necessary to AFFIRMATIVE: 28 cover all operating conditions. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage (Log #106) 1901- 110- (14`6.5): Accept SUBMITTER: ThomasJ. Hagans, Emergency Orie, Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 (Log #145) I I~COMMENDATION: Delete text: 1901- 107- (14-6.2): Accept T!:c c~+~! f~r "d~c b!ccdcr ;'a!;'c ~!~a!! bc !~catcd n~ mere *d~an 6 SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 SUBSTANTIATION: Bleeders/Drains for valves being top mount I RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: controlled must be located at a height or below the valve in order Each intake shaft have a removable or accessible strainer inside to drain. This location exceeds the distance minimum. the connection. The strainer(s) shall restrict spherical debris that COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. is too large to pass through the pump. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBSTANTIATION: Add the word "spherical". The VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: requirement as currently written is unattainable. The Ap~oendix AFFIRMATIVE: 28 addresses tiffs issue, but it does not change the fact that tile NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage requirement can not be met as written. Addition of the word "spherical" is consistent with the intent of the requirement.

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(Log #146) (Log #149) 1901- 111 - (14-6.6): Reject 1901- 114- (14-7.1.3): Accept SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: ] RECOMMENDATION: Renumber as 14-7.2. Each valved intake having a connection size of 4 in. (100 mm) or SUBSTANTIATION: This requirement applies to all 2.5 in. or larger shall be equipped with an automatic pressure relief device larger outlets, not just those required by 14-7.1. installed on the supply side of the valve to bleed off pressure from COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. a hose connected to the valved intake. The pressure relief device NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 shall discharge to atmosphere and be adjustable from 135 psi (or VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: lower) to 185 psi (maximum setting). AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBSTANTIATION: NFPA 1962 limits the operating pressure of NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage large diameter hose to 135-185 psi. ff the goal of dfis paragraph is to prevent the rupture of large diameter hose due to excessive (Log #81) pressure, then a limit shouldbe placed on the adjustable range of 1901- 115 - (14-7.3): Reject the pressure relief device to prevent the operator from setting it SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS above the maximum operating pressure of the hose line. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. RECOMMENDATION: Delete paragraph. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This would be design restrictive. SUBSTANTIATION: Thousands of departments choose not to Also, there is attack grade large diameter fire hose that is service cap discharges. So why require i~ rated at 300 psi. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels that caps ,are VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: important to protect the threads and to provide safety and AFFIRMATIVE: 28 operational capabilities if valves leak. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 (Log #80) NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage 1901- 112- (14-6.7): Reject SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 (Log #148) RECOMMENDATION: Delete entire paragraph. 1901- 116- (14-7.3): Reject SUBSTANTIATION: Thousands of, fire department choose not SUBMITTER: Steve Morel`an, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN to cap inlets `and discharges, instead they valve the connection `and COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 then 1000's do not cap the connection. Why should they spend the RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: money for caps? All discharge outlets, except outlets to which a hose will be COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. preconnected, shall be equipped with caps or closures capable of COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels that caps are withstanding a minimum hydrostatic burst pressure of 100 psi (690 important to protect the threads and to provide safety and kPa) over the maximum pump close-off pressure or 500 psi (3450 operational capabilities if valves leak. kPa), whichever is greater. Where adapters are provided on the NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 discharge outlets, the closures shall fit on the adapters. Caps or VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: closures for outlets 3.5 in. (89 ram) and smaller in size shall be AFFIRMATIVE: 28 secured to the apparatus. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage SUBSTANTIATION: Delete "with chains or cables". This requirement is design restrictive. It should not matter how they are secured. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. (Log #147) COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels that without 1901- 113- (14-6.8): Reject the specification that is in the standard currendy, inappropriate SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN means could be used to secure the caps and closures such as COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 locktite and setscrews. RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 Caps or closures for 3.5 in. (89 ram) `and smaller intakes shall be VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: secured to the apparatus. AFFIRMATIVE: 27 NEGATIVE: 1 SUBSTANTIATION: Delete "with chains or cables". This NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage requirement is design restrictive. It should not matter how they EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: are secured. DEWALD: See my explanation of negative vote on Comment COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. 1901-113 (Log #147). COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels that without the specification that is in the standard currently, inappropriate means could be used to secure the caps and closures such as locktite and setscrews. (Log #82) NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 1901- 117- (14-7.7): Reject VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: SUBMITTER: L H. Stevens, JEMS AFFIRMATIVE: 27 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 NEGATIVE: 1 RECOMMENDATION: Delete paragraph. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage SUBSTANTIATION: Limits innovation, ff a department wants to EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: control the valves at the front bumper, either side or rear, like DEWALD: The requirement to use "chains or cables" to secure Chicago, LA city, LA County then they should be allowed to do so. the caps or closures to the apparatus is design restrictive. The Our homes do not have all file faucets and light switches in one recommended test would be sufficient. It is incredible that place why should a ? LA city `and county have decades someone would secure the caps and closures with Iocktite `and of use without all valves being controlled in one place. setscrews as this would negate the function of the cap or closure. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. A reasonable person would not secure the caps or closures in a COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels it is manner that would render them unusable. I believe that appropriate to operate from a single position. The operator needs eliminating the design restrictive language is more important than to be able to throttle valves while viewing the instrumentation. having language that would ensure against the inappropriate NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 securing of the caps or closures. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

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(Log #213) (Log #163) 1901- 118- (14-10.2): Reject 1901- 121 - (14-10.3.3): Reject SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: Where the ~ump is driven by the chassis engine through the A "Throttle Ready" indicator shall be provided at tile pump transmission s main driveline, and tile apparatus is to be used for operator's panel that is energized when the chassis transmission is stationary pumping only, an interlock system sh~l be provided to in neutral and the parking brake is engaged. ensure that the pump drive system components are properly SUBSTANTIATION: Simplify. Per 14-10.3.2, for tile "OK to engaged in the pumping mode of operation so that tile pumping Pump" indicator to be energized, tile chassis transmission must be system can be safely operated from tile pump o~erator's position. in neutral and theparking brake engaged. SUBSTANTIATION: Delete tile reference to 'automatic chassis COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. transmission". As written, only vehicles with automatic chassis COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels tile operator transmissions are required to have an interlock and indicators (,as needs an indicator for both conditions. required by 14-10.2.1, 14-10.2.2, 14-10.2.3). Vehicles with manual NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 chassis transmissions should also have an interlock and indicators VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: for consistency, safety and ease of use. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The situation only applies to 0PuMBaratus with automatic transmissions. ER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: (Log #215) AFFIRMATIVE: 28 1901- 122- (14-10.4): Reject NOT RETURNED: 1 (;age SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: Where the pump is driven by a transmission-mounted (SAE) (Log #140) PTO, front-of-engine crankshaft PTO, or engine flywheel PTO, 1901- 119 - (14-10.2.1): Reject and file apparatus is to be used for either stationary or "pump and SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN roll" pumping with the chassis transmission either in neutral for COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 stationary pumping or in a road gear for pump and roll, an RECOMMENDATION: Delete entire paragraph. interlock system shall be provided to ensure that tile pump drive SUBSTANTIATION: Delete the requirement for having a "Pump system components are properly engaged in the pumping mode of Engaged" indicator in the driving compartment. The "OK to operation so that file apparatus can be safely operated in either Pump" indicator required by 14-10.2.2 is sufficient for safe, stationary or pump and roll pumping mode. efficient operation. The only reason for a "Pump Engaged" SUBSTANTIATION: Delete the reference to "automatic" chassis indicator is to warn the operator that tile pump is engaged when transmission. As written, only vehicles with automatic chassis file vehicle is in motion and this is not possible when the pump is transmissions are required to have an interlock and indicators (as driven by the chassis engine through the transmission's main required by 14-10.4.1, 14-10.4.2, 14-10.4.3). Vehicles with manual driveline. chassis transmissions should also have an interlock and indicators COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. for consistency, safety and ease of use. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels the operator COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. needs to know the pump shift has been successfully completed COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The situation as defined in the before shifting to pump gear. standard is applicable only to apparatus with an automatic NUMBER OFCOMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 transmission. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 VOTE ON COMMITrEE ACTION: NOT RETURNED: 1 (;age AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #141) (Log #144) 1901- 123- (14-10.4.1): Reject 1901- 120 - (14-10.3.1): Reject SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., lnc., MN COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: A "Pump Engaged" indicator shall be provided in the driving A "Pump Engaged" indicator shall be provided in file driving compartment to indicate that the pump shift has been successfully compartment to indicate that the puinp shift has been successfully completed. completed. SUBSTANTIATION: Delete the requirement for having a "Pump SUBSTANTIATION: Delete tile requirement for having a "Pump Engaged" indicator at the pump operator's position. The "Throttle Engaged" indicator at the pump operator's position. The "Throttle Ready" indicator required by 14-10.3.3 is sufficient for safe, Ready" indicator required by 14-10.3.3 is sufficient for safe, efficient operation. The only time the "Pump Engaged" indicator efficient operation. Tile only time file "Pump Engaged" indicator would be energized without tile "Throttle Ready" indicator being would be energized without the "Throttle Ready" indicator being energized is if thepump is engaged and tile chassis transmission is energized is if tile pump is engaged and the cbassis transmission is not in neutral and/or the parking brake is not engaged - both of not in neutral and/or file parking brake is not engaged - both of which must be corrected by the pump operator before he/she wbich must be corrected by file pump operator before he/she leaves tile driving compartment. Similarly, file only reason for a leaves the driving compartment. Similarly, the only reason for a "Pump Engaged" indicator is to warn the operator that file pump is "Pump Engaged' indicator is to warn the operator that the pump is en~aged when the vehicle is in motion and providing this engaged when the vehicle is in motion and providing this indication at tile pumpoperator's position is useless. COMMITTIEEA~I~:indicati°nat the um OPReject.erator'sposition ts useless. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels ttle operator COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels the operator needs to know when tile pump shift has been completed since file needs to know when the pump shift has been completed since the en~.ine may be used for other purposes when tile "throttle ready" engine may be used for other purposes when the "throttle ready" indicator is on. indicator is on. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

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(Log #165) (Log #83) 1901- 124- (14-10.4.2): Reject 1901- 127- (14-10.7.1): Hold SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: RECOMMENDATION: Delete 30 psi. List as 10 psi and change An "OK to Pump" indicator shall be provided in the driving 100 psi to 70psi. compartment to indicate that the pump is engaged, the chassis SUBSTANTIATION: 30 psi jump will not protect firefighters on transmission is in neutral, and the parking brake is engaged. An NFPA smooth bore tips on NFPA hose compliments. Dangerous "OK to Pump and Roll" indicator shall be provided in the driving surges will increase nozzle reaction to unsafe levels. Departments compartment and shall be energized when the pump is engaged, using low pressure tips will have the same problems. The range of the chassis transmission is in pump and roll gear, and the parking pressure falls below a 2 in. tip of a 150 ft 2 1/2 in. hose. So 70 psi brake is released. should be the base line not 100 psi. SUBSTANTIATION: 1. Replace "rOad gear" in the last sentence COMMITTEE ACTION: Hold. with "pump and roll" gear for clarity. Apparatus designed for COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee does not have pump and roll are required to be in a particular road gear for enough data at this time to develop and test revised requirements efficient operation. The indicator should not indicate that it is OK to ensure they will work under all conditions. to pump until the proper road gear is selected. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 2×3 2. Delete the last sentence for simplification. It is not possible to VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: have the "OK to Pump and Roll" and the "OK to Pump" indicators AFFIRMATIVE: 28 energized at the same time. One requires the parking brake to be NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage engaged, and the other requires it to be released. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The proposed wording is design restrictive and the existing wording is deemed appropriate. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #7) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 128- (14-10.7.1(a)): Accept AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBMITTER: Gary Handwerk, Hale Products, Inc. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: Over a range ofdisc-t~¢-~ pressures from 100 psi to 300 psi net pumppressure. SUBSTANTIATION: Discharge pressure does not work with net (Log #164) ump pressure. Delete the word discharge. 1901- 125 - (14-10.4.3): Reject OMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 A "Throttle Ready" indicator shall be provided at the pump NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage operator's panel that is energized when the chassis transmission is in neutral and the parking brake is engaged. SUBSTANTIATION: Simplify. Per 14-10.4.2, for the "OK to Pump" indicator to be energized, the chassis transmission must be in neutral and the parking brake engaged. (Log #169) COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. 1901- 129- (14-10.8): Accept COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels the operator SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN need to know when the pump shift has been completed since the COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 en~.ine may be used for other purposes when the "throttle ready" RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: indicator is on. A priming device shall be provided and controlled from the NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 pump operator's position. It shall be capable of meeting the VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: requirements of 14-2.3.2 and capable of developing a vacuum of 22 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 in. Hg (74.5 kPa) at an altitude of 2000 ft (610 m). An exhaust NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage primer shall not be used. The priming device shall be capable of operating with no lubricant, or a biodegradable nontoxic lubricant.

SUBSTANTIATION: The current wording allows the priming (Log #166) device to be operated with a non-biodegradable or toxic lubricant, 1901- 126 - (14-10.5): Reject both of which are not desirable. The rewording clarifies the intent SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN of dae requirement. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 An interlock system shall be provided to prevent advancement of VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: the end.he speed at the pump operator's panel unless the "Throttle AFFIRMATIVE: 28 Ready' indicator is energized. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage SUBSTANTIATION: Simplify. The "Throttle Ready" indicator is not energized unless the chassis transmission is in neutral and the parking brake is engaged, or the apparatus is in "OK to Pump" mode. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. (Log #105) COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels the operator 1901- 130- (14-11): Reject needs to know when the pump shift has been completed since the SUBMITTER: ThomasJ. Hagans, Emergency One, Inc. engine may be used for other purposes when the "throttle ready" COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 indicator is on. RECOMMENDATION: Revise as follows: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 A throttle control that holds its set position shall be provided to VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: control the pump engine speed. It shall be located not higber AFFIRMATIVE: 28 than 72 in. nor lower than 42 in. from the operator's standl~ng NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage position with all instruments in full view. On aerials the slideout platform at tile numb operator's oanel will be the ooerator's standing Position. SUBST~AIqTIATION: On a truck with an aerial device, in order to comply with NFPA, ff the truck is used as a pumper without tile aerial being deployed the throttle location window is only 9 inches

182 NFPA 1901 --A99 ROC high. The distance of 42 in. - 72 in. from the ground and 42 in. - (Log #177) 72 in. from the slideout platform makes the window 9 in. With this 1901- 134- (14-12.2.1): Reject small window this makes it very difficult to comply to NFPA. SUBMITTER: Joe Gordon, S&S Fire Apparatus COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-87 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This is already covered in the RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: standard. See Sections 2-6.4, 3-6.3, 6-3.1, 7-2.2, 9-3.3 Master pump intake and pump discharge pressure indicating NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 devices shall be located within 8.~. (290 ram) 14 in. (356 ram) of VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: each other edge to edge... AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBSTANTIATION: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #217) 1901- 131 - (14-12.1): Accept SUBMITTER: Dan Juntune, Waterous Co. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: 1. At end of first sentence delete "position" and insert "panel". 2. In item (b) insert "A" at beginning to be consistent with others. 3. In item (c) delete "weatherproof' and insert "pumping ennRlJ'ne". SUBSTANTIATION: 1. Pump operators position is defined as the location from which the pump operator operates the pump. It is more accurate to refer to the pump operators panel which is the area containing gauges, controls, etc. 2. Editorial change to be consistent with other bullet items. e e 3. Delete "weatherproof' to be consistent since other instrumentation also needs this protection and is not so described. Add "pumping engine" to clarify which engine speed needs to be shown in cases where there are more than one engine on the aratns ITTEE ACTION: Accept. -- 28 -1 NUMBER OF COMMrI'TEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 The distance between the gauges represented on the drawing is VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:' 10.5 in. As you can see, there are configurations in which longer AFFIRMATIVE: 28 distances may be acceptable without compromising the intent of NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage the proposal which is to make sure the master gauges are located close enough to each other to be monitored quickly and accurately without having to search in different locations on the pump panel. COMMITTEEACTION:" Reject. (Log #220) COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee believes that tile 8 1901- 132- (14-12.1.1): Accept in. as specified is needed for operator safety and efficiency. SUBMITTER: Dan Juntune, Waterous Co. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: RECOMMENDATION: Delete entire sentence since in a prior AFFIRMATIVE: 28 proposal I suggested that the function of the tachometer be NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage defined where the tachometer is listed in I4-12.1 (c). Add a new sentence: "Any instrumentation exposed to the elements must be weatherproof." SUBSTANTIATION: Tachometer function is more appropriately located in the list of instruments in 14-12.1 (c) where similar (Log #11 ) information clarifies odaer instrumentation. Tile issue of being 1901- 135 - (14-12.3.3 and Table 14-12.3.3): Reject "weatherproof' applies to odler instrumentation as well as to the SUBMITTER: Gary Handwerk, Hale Products, Inc. tachometer. All instrumentation on the exterior of the apparatus COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 and exposed to the elements should be "weatherproof", but any RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: instrumentation inside an enclosed structure such as the extended Each flow meter shall be calibrated and tested based on tile cab heed not be. si~e-~ it is mounted in at the flow... COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. Also change chart to read areas: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 1" = .785 sq in., 1 1/2" ffi 1.767 ssq in., 2" = 3.141 sq in., 2 1/2" ffi VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 4.909 sq in., 3" = 7.068 sq in., 4" = 12.566 sq in., 5" = 19.635 sq in., AFFIRMATIVE: 28 6" ffi 28.274 sc1 in.. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage SUBSTANTIATION: A flow meter can be mounted in a "non" round area, like a cast manifold, where there is no pipe. COMMITrEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: Pipe size dimensions are sufficient (Log #170) for todays technology. 1901- 133- (14-12.2): Reject NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 RECOMMENDATION: Combine with 14-12.2.1 and renumber as NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage 14-12.1.4. SUBSTANTIATION: The material in dais section applies to 14- 12.1, not 14-12. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels the current (Log #225) wordingprovides better clarification. 1901- 136- (14-13.1.3): Accept NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBMITTER: DanJuntune, Waterous Co._ VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 RECOMMENDATION: Delete eleventh word in tile first NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage sentence, "position", and replace with "panel".

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SUBSTANTIATION: The pump operators position is defined as pressure control device as an important safety concern. Even the location from which the pump operator operates the pump. though these devices were first required by this standard in 1991, The pump operators panel is definedas the area on a fire they are still relatively new and in many ways unproven in the fire apparatus that contains gauges, controls, etc. industry. Coupled with the fact that many pressure control systems COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. contain interactive components supplied by different NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 manufacturers, the only way to ensure that they function correctly VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: is to test them. The submitter realizes that this is a minimum AFFIRMATIVE: 28 standard, and that the reader is advised in A-14-10.7.4 that "due to NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage the importance of these systems, the authority having jurisdiction might wish to have performance tests conducted". The submitter further realizes that mandatory testing of the complete system will add expense to the apparatus. However, the pressure control system plays a vital role in fireground safety and complete testing of (1901-1$7 was not used) the system should be required. COMMITTEE ACTION: Hold. (Log #22) COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee needs to develop 1901- 138 - (14-13.2.2.6 and 16-12.2.2.7): Accept and test a methodology before putting the procedure in the SUBMITTER: RobertJ. Barraclough, Class 1, Inc. standard. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 RECOMMENDATION: Replace the existing text with the VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: following: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 ff the signal input for the pump panel tachometer is supplied NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage from the engine or transmission electronics and the tach is nonadjustable, it shall be used as the rotational speed indicator of the pump drive system for the purposes of calculating impeller shaft speed. When the signal input for the tach is not from the engine or (Log #186) transmission electronics or if the tach is field adjustable, then a 1901- 141 - (15-6.1): Accept in Principle speed measuring means other than the cab or pump panel tachs SUBMITTER: Wayne Kleinmann, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. shall be used to measure pump input speed. Such speed COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-94 measuring means slaall be accurate to within +/- 50 RPM of actual RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: speed. Each pump control, gauge, and other instrument necessary to SUBSTANTIATION: With today's electronics, pump panel and operate the auxiliary pump shall be located on a panel cab tachometers receive an input signal from the engine or ~.~ v .... r -r ...... pc.~e! as specified bv the nurchasin~ transmission electronics. Under the current wording, a person ik~ and shall be marked with a label as to it's function. conducting a pump test would have to attach a "reader" in the cab SUBSTANTIATION: One interpretation of the exisdng spec. to read engine RPM to meet tile test requirements. This reader language would be that, since this is an auxiliary pump, there would be receiving the same signal as the tachs in the cab and on already is a pump operatorspanel for the main pump, and that is the pump panel. Requiring three speed measuring devices to read where ALL the controls needto be. Customers sometime request the same signal is very redundant and adds extra cost to the test. controls only at the auxiliary pump, sometimes in the cab and The second paragraph is needed in those cases where the tach is some dmes at any and/or all of these locations. adjustable and/or where the input signal is coming from COMMITI~EE ACTION: Accept in Principle. someplace other than the engine or transmission (such as the Revise 15-6.1 to read as follows: alternator). Each pump control, gauge, and other instrument necessary to COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. operate the auxiliary pump shall be located on a pahel and shall NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 be marked with a label as to it's function. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels that deleting AFFIRMATIVE: 28 the text that the submitter wanted to delete as well as not adding NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage the submitters proposed text still accomplishes what the submitter wants. Adding the wording "as specified by the purchasing authority" does not provide a measurable independent requirement. Persons writing specification for a fire apparatus need to specify the location and details of many things but the (Log #171) standard should state the requirement only. 1901- 139- (14-13.2.3): Accept NUMBER OF COMMITFEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBMITTEI~ Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 I RECOMMENDATION: Delete "overspeed". NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage SUBSTANTIATION: The term "overspeed" is undefined and widely interpreted. Deleting it is consistent with the 1997 revision made to NFPA 1911, 3-4.1. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #134) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 142- (15-8.2): Accept AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBMITTER: Michael Ruthy, WS Darley & Co. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: Where the pump system conforms to 14-4.2, a warning device is not required. SUBSTANTIATION: Warning devices add cost. ff a system can (Log #161) be designed that will not exceed lubricant temperatures as noted 1901- 140- (14-13.4): Hold in 14-4.2 for fire pumps, it could be used for auxiliary pumps and SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little 'Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN should not need an additional warning system. Alternately, this COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 warning system could apply to fire pumps and water transfer RECOMMENDATION: Add additional steps to test the Pressure pumps. Control System from a pressurized water source pursuant to the COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. requirements of 14-10.7.1. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBSTANTIATION: To fulfill the requirements of 14-10.7.1, VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: some type of device is required to control intake pressure. As AFFIRMATIVE: 28 evidenced by the numerous changes to this standard over the past NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage several years as it relates to the use of large diameter hose and excessive intake pressures, NFPA obviously regards the intake

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(Log #115) SUBSTANTIATION: Changes proposed will clarify terrain and 1901- 143- (15-8.3): Accept eliminate conflict with the tank manufacturer's requirements. SUBMITTER: John Doperalski, Emergency.One, Inc. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 RECOMMENDATION: Revise as follows: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: Where a separate engine is used to drive the auxiliary pump, an AFFIRMATIVE: 28 amber indicator light shall be provided in the driving NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage compartment that is energized when the pump engine en~,giz~ is running. This light shall be marked with a label that reads: "Pump Engine Running". SUBSTANTIATION: The wording is revised to match the label and also be consistent with the wording in section/paragraph 14- (Log #84) 3.6. 1901- 147- (17-3.3): Reject COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. SUBMITTER: L H. Stevens, JEMS NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 Rural departments who rely on tankers may want to elect not to NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage equip tlleir apparatus with a check valve to allow direct filling to the tank. SUBSTANTIATION: The tank to pump plumbing will fill the tank faster than a tank filler, will not risk the attack line crews to low pressure or water hammers when using the tank filler. (Log #1) COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. 1901- 144- (17-2.2): Accept in Principle COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The piping between the tank and SUBMITTER: Peter F. Darley, W. S. Darley & Co. pump is too large to use for tank filling as the fill rate om damage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-216 or destroy the tank. This is a safety issue. RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 All water tanks, except those on mobile water supply fire VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: apparatus, or on apparatus where, die tank is integral with the AFFIRMATIVE: 28 body, shall be constructed to be mdependent of the body and NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage compartments and shall be equipped with a method of lifting the tanks out of the body. SUBSTANTIATION: The paragraph as currently written is design restrictive. New materials and repair methods do not require that all tanks should be removed from the body. There are advantages (Log #174) with integral body/tank designs with many other types of apparatus 1901- 148 - (17-3.3): Accept in Principle than just mobile water supply fire apparatus. SUBMITTER: Michael Ruthy, WS Darley & Co. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: Comment 1901-145 (Log #10) which the committee feels meets the "...that prevents unintentional back-filling of the water tank atan submitters intent. excessive rate through the line. A 1/4 in. diameter hole is NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: oermissible." AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBSTANTIATION: A 1/4 in. hole can prevent the build up of NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage steam pressure should other safety systems fail. The check valve does not need to be leak tight. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. Add text to the end of the appendix for 17-3.3 to read ,as follows: A hole up to 1/4 in. (6 mm) is sometimes provided in the check (Log #10) Ivalve to release steam or other pressure buildup. 1901- 145 - (1%2.2): Accept COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The term "excessive rate" is not SUBMITTER: Gary Handwerk, Hale Products, Inc. measurable and therefore should not be used in the standard. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 The committee feels the discussion of a 1/4 in. hole is better ] RECOMMENDATION: Delete complete 1%2.2 and replace it handled in the appendix. with: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 If the water tank is independent of the body and compartments, it VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: I shall be equipped with a method for lifting the tank(s) out of the AFFIRMATIVE: 28 J body. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage I[ 2 9Also.,.see Public Comment 1901-225 (Log #9) for new text on AIT- SUBSTANTIATION: New materials (poly) can allow the tank and body to be made as one unit, separate tank is not needed in dais design, poly tanks don't sweat as much as metal tanks. (Log #36) COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. 1901- 149 - (17-4.1): Accept NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBMITTER: Joseph E. Boone, S&S Fire Apparatus Co. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: NOT RETURNED: I Gage 17-4.1 (last sentence)...The cover, or another device, shall open as a vent to release pressure buildup in the tank of more ".llaa ! p3i

SUBSTANTIATION: Buildup of even 1 psi in water tank could cause damage to certain tanks. (Log #35) COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. 1901- 146 - (17-2.3): Accept NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBMIT~FER: Joseph E. Boone, S&S Fire Apparatus Co. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text ,to read as follows: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage 1%2.3 Tanks shall be cradled, cushioned, spring-mounted or otherwise protected from undue stress resulting from travel on ro4tg4a-uneven terrain, Ta-qk~ ~l~c.!! ~c m~.unted in accordance with the tank manufacturer's requirements.

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(Log #85) (Log #209) 1901- 150- (17-4.4): Reject 1901- 152 - (18-2 and 18-13): Accept in Principle SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS SUBMITTER: RobertJ. Barraclough, Class 1, Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: RECOMMENDATION: Add the paragraphs from Section 18-7.7 The purchaser may choose to utilize the tank to pump line (breathing air) to these sections. without a check valve to allow filling the tank directly from any SUBSTANTIATION: Fire departments may desire to have suction connection. breathing air installed to the top of the aerials and the water SUBSTANTIATION: Eliminates the expense of the direct tank fill towers. We need to include Section 18-7.7 in the descriptions for connection, offers more flexibility. both of these devices to give guidance to the installers and to the COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. fire departments. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The piping between the tank and COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. pump is too large to use for tank filling as the fill rate can damage Add a new 18-2.13 to read as follows: or destroy the tank. This is a safety issue. 18-2.13" Where a breathing air system is provided, it shall supply NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 breathing air for a minimum of one person at the secondary aerial VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: ladder operator's position and shall meet the requirements of 18- AFFIRMATIVE: 28 2.13.1 through 18-2.13.7. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage 18-2.13.1 The system shall include storage for at least 200 ft 3 (5.6 m 3) of breathing air and shall meet the requirements of Section 23-5. 18-2.13.2 All components of the piping system shall be designed for a pressure rating of three times the working pressure that they (Log #135) are expected to carry. The piping system shall be arranged with a 1901- 151 - (17-4.4): Accept in Principle high pressure regulator at the air supply that shall limit the air SUBMITTER: Dale K. Larson, Fireman's Friend Engineering, Inc. pressure in the piping up the aerial device to the pressure required COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 to supply 125 psi (862 kPa) at the outlet point. All piping, valves, RECOMMENDATION: The current wording is design restrictive and components shall be fabricated of corroslon-resistant and does not allow for fill devices than can reduce both use of materials and shall be sized for the number of outlets provided at valuable space and significantly reduce turn around time on fill the secondary aerial ladder operators position. A pressure relief operations. Operators who desire to, control fill rate and shut off valve set to relieve the pressure at 1 1/2 times the working pressure at the source rather than at the tank are required, by current of the piping system in the event of regulator failure shall be verbiage in Section 17-4.4 to provide controls that may be entirely provided on the downstream side of the high pressure regulator. unnecessary for efficient and rapid tank fill. 18-2.13.3 All valves, pressure regulators, and gauges shall be ff the apparatus is designed to be a mobile water supply protected from accidental damage. The piping or hose system apparatus, an external fill connection leading directly to the tank between the air cylinder(s) and the secondary aerial ladder shall be provided. This connection shall permit a minimum filling operators position shall be installed so as to prevent damage due rate of 1,000 gpm (3785 L/rain) from sources external to the unit. to abrasion, bending, pinching, or exposure to excessive heat. This fill connection shall be provided with a removable or 18-2.13.4 Holders shall be provided for the storage of the accessible strainer, a shut off valve capable of being throttled, a breathing air equipment when it is not in use. minimum 30 degree sweep elbow positioned downward, and a 18-2.13.5 A low air warning system shall be provided that shall closure cap or plug. Any 3 in. (76 ram) or larger valve shaU be a monitor the air volume and shall provide an audible and visual slow-operating valve. An antomatic or check type device may be warning at both the upper and lower control stations when the air substituted for the modulatin~ and slow closine valve in those volume is at or below 20 percent. operations where control of flow rate is to be controlled at the 18-2.13.6 The quality of the breathing air shall meet the source. The 30 decree sweet elbow oositioned downward can requirements of NFPA 1500, Standard on Fire Department also be eliminated if the closin~ device is installed inside the tank Occupational Safety and Health Program. thus. eliminatJn~ the need to drain the valve to nrevent freezing. 18-2.13.7 All components of the system that the breathing air will SUBSTANTIATION: The current wording is design restrictive in be in contact with shall be cleaned of oil, grease, contaminants, that a shut off valve is required on the fill connection that is and foreign material. capable of being throttled. The purpose of the throttled valve Add an appendix to 18-2.13 to read as follows: requirement and slow closing on 3 in. and larger intakes is to A-18-2.13 If the fire department expects to engage in operations prevent water hammer. Water hammer can be prevented by new where they will need to supply remote breathing air from the technology that allows the flow to be controlled at the source and system on the aerial ladder to fire fighters working away from the eliminates any possibility of water hammer while at the same time end "of an aerial ladder such as during a rescue operation in a fuel automatically relieving charge pressure on the fill line without the or chemical tank, coal bin or silo storage tower, it will be use of either a slow closing or modulating valve. The purpose of necessary to be able to supply breathing air for at least 2 persons. the proposed changes are not to require the use of dais new Delete the words "aerial [adders, elevating platforms" from 23-13. technology, but rather to give the operator the option of Delete the last sentence of 23-13.6. controlling the fill rate at the source. It is felt by many informed COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is adding persons in tlae fire service that the proper procedure for filling is requirements in the aerial ladder section that are consistent with by controlling the fill rate and shut offat the source. This those in the elevating platform section except sized for 1 person procedure was used by the Georgia Forestry Commission during radler than 2 persons. As an appendix, they are advising the tile recent Florida Forest fires resulting in much improved turn purchaser to consider the need for breathing air for more than on around time in fill operations. person if the user expect to conduct operations with fire fighters COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. remote from the tip of the ladder but using the air system on the I Add the following wording as the last sentence of 17-4.4. ladder as the air supply, operations. A check type device shall be permitted to be substituted for the As water towers, by definition, do not have a tip operating modulating and slow closing valve in those operations where the position, the committee did not see a need for breathing air flow rate is to be controlled at the source. outlets. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee was uncertain what The deleted text in chapter 23 is to avoid conflict with the automatic types of devices there might be and how those would requirements in chapter 18 for breathing air systems on aerial close, i.e. would they meet the slow closing valve requirements, so ladders and elevating platforms. it did not allow for automatic devices. The committee is also not NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 accepting flae submitters second sentence as the purpose of the 30 ° VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: sweep elbow is to allow hose to be connected without kinking. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATWE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

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(Log #41) another it must be a smoothbore tip. That is a maximum standard 1901- 153- (18-3.4): Reject not a minimum. The paragraph would make a good appendix SUBMITTER: Delwin Smell, Smell Fire Apparatus item not a standard. NFPA should not decide which nozzle to use. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 Simply stay within the manufacturers guidelines for reaction. RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. 18-3.4" If the aerial ladder is rated in multiple configurations, COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The standard does not restricted the the manufacturer shall describe dlese configurations, including the NW~doBfnozzle to a fog nozzle. rated capacity of each, in both the operations manual and on a ER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 plate at the operator's control station, unless a load indicatin~ VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: system is provided. When a load indicating s~tem is nrovided it AFFIRMATIVE: 28 shall be clearly marked ,~s such at tl~e operator's position and fnll NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage instructions for its use shall be provided in the onerations manual. SUBSTANTIATION: The paragraph immediately following this paragraph (1 8-4.1) exempts systems with a load indicator from the chart. Thus, the two paragraphs contradict each other. The (Log #88) purpose of a load indic~ttor is to prevent the need to refer to 1901- 157 - (18-6.2(b)): Accept charts, therefore paragraph 18-3.4 should be amended as SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS requested. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. ] RECOMMENDATION: Add or larger hose. STATEMENT: Load indicating systems do not COMMITTEE SUBSTANTIATION: Laconnia NH and King 2, WA all use 4 in. currently account for all conditions of operation or work when up file ladder pipe others use 3 1/2 in. hose. The key is not electronics fail. The load chart provides a reference for these exceeding the manufacturers limits for distributed loads. situations. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #CCt) (Log #126) 1901- 154 - (18-6.1.3, 18-12.3 and 18-16.3): Accept 1901- 158 - (18-7.7.1, 19-8.1, and 23-13.2): Accept in Principle SUBMITTER: Technical Committee on Fire Department Apparatus SUBMITTER: Alan Saulsbury, Saulsbury Fire Rescue Inc. 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: RECOMMENDATION: Revise the first sentence to read: 23-13.2 (Delete last sentence, 25.5 covers same.) "The water system shall be arranged so it can be supplied at 18-7.7.1 (Delete last sentence, Add sentence) Reference 23-5 ground level through an external inlet that is a minimum of 4 in. 19-8.1 Foam system pressurized tanks - do not change, appears (I00 ram) in size." ASME reference is applicable. SUBSTANTIATION: As currently written, the requirement states SUBSTANTIATION: Reviewed eacil section to check continuity. "an external inlet capable of delivering the system flow." This is COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. not definitive as it does not state what is acceptable loss across the Revise 18-7.7.1 and 23-13.2 to read as follows: inlet. A 2 in. inlet could be provided If the assumption were flint an extremely high friction loss were acceptable. The system shall include storage for at least 400 ft 3 (11.3 m 3) of COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. breathing air and shall meet file requirements of Section 23-5. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: By referencing Section 23-5 in the VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: first sentence of 187.7.1, the second sentence is not needed. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #86) 1901- 155- (18-6.1(c)): Reject SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS (Log #227) COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 1901- 159 - (18-7.7.5): Accept in Part RECOMMENDATION: Delete paragraph. SUBMITrER: RobertJ. Barraclough, Class 1, Inc. SUBSTANTIATION: NFPA should not determine the type of COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 nozzle a department must buy. 1000 gpm out of a smooth bore is RECOMMENDATION: Add the words "and visual" after audible just as effective as 1000 gpm out of a fog. Takes control away from in the second line. the fire department and sets a maximum standard not a minimum, Add a second paragraph as follows: add needless expense. Tile system shall also provide firefighters a visual display of tile COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. percentage of air remaining in the air supply system anytime tile COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The nozzle type is not restricted to a aerial device is in operation. fog nozzle in this paragraph. SUBSTANTIATION: As file paragraph is currently written, file NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 low air alarm could be going off (wizen the 20 percent level is VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: reached) and firefighters may not know what the alarm signifies. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 Adding a visual display should draw their attention to the lowair NOT RETURNED: 1 (;age situation. Adding the second paragraph will permit firefighters to easily determine the amount of air remaining in file system at any time, so as to be able to plan their evolutions on the fireground without the risk of running out of air. (Log #87) COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Part. 1901- 156 - (18-6.2(a)): Reject Add file words "and visual" after audible in the second line so tile SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS sentence reads as follows: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 A low air warning system shall beprovided tlaat shall monitor tile RECOMMENDATION: Delete paragraph. air volume and shall provide an audible and visual warning at both SUBSTANTIATION: On one type of aerial device NFPA says you the upper and lower control stations when the air volume is at or must use a 1000 gpm fog tip, on another none is specified, and on below 20 percent.

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COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is not adding the fail. Of course, we don't know what the orientation of the ladder second paragraph as requested as it feels that, as a minimum was or the vertical dropexperienced by the firefighters. standard, it is not necessary to display remaining air. There is COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. adequate time to take appropriate action after tile low air alarm COMMITTEE STATEMENT: Technical analysis of impact alerts the firefighters. loading has not been provided in the substantiation. This is a NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 critical factor in ladder design and change should not be based on VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: dais unique condition. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #89) 1901- 160 - (18-16.1): Accept in Principle SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS (Log #160) COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 1901- 163- (18-22.2): Accept RECOMMENDATION: Delete paragraph. SUBMITTER: Thomas A. Hillenbrand, Underwriters SUBSTANTIATION: NFPA is specifying a type of nozzle, ff there Laboratories Inc. is a reason on a water tower to use an automatic nozzle then there COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 is also one to use automatics on ladder trucks with detachable RECOMMENDATION: Revise text as follows: ladder pipes, elevating platforms, and aerials with fixed waterways. 18-22.2 The quality control program shall include 100 percent The paragraph should be moved to the appendix, with additional nondestructive testing of all critical structural components of tile reasons why an automatic should be specified. Several large aerial device. The manufacturer shall determine the types of departments run smooth bores on their water towers. Let tile nondestructive testing (NDT) to be conducted. The procedures department specify what it wants. used for NDT shall comply with the applicable standards defined COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. in 18-22.5. All NDT procedures shall be fully documented with Delete the words "automatic variable flow" and revise tile first respect to file extent of the examination, the method of testing, ] sentence to read as follows: and the inspection techniques. All testing shall be performed by [ A permanently installed monitor with a nozzle (s) capable of ASNT Levelll NDT technicians, ccrt'~ca.a. "~n t!~e te~*~ mc=!~d~ u.~ed I covering a discharge range of at least.300 gpm to 1000 gpm (1136 or by an ASNT Level I technician under the supervision of an on- I L/rain to 3785 L/rain) shall be provided at the top of the water site Level II technician, all of whom have been certified in the test ] tower and supplied by a permanent water system. methods used. 32! ."YDT te:tlng :ha!! ~'~ ~..~,~ in accordance with COMMITTEE STATEMENT: While file committee feels there is ASNT CP-189, Standard for Qualification and Certification of need for the paragraph, it is deleting tile requirement for an Nondestructive Testing Personnel. automatic variable flow nozzle and has made other editorial SUBSTANTIATION: ASNT CP-189 is file qualilqcation for NDT revisions to the first sentence to accommodate this change. testing personnel and does not contain NDT test methods. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #90) 1901- 161 - (18-17.6): Reject (Log #137) SUBMITTER: L. H. Stevens, JEMS 1901- 164- (18-24.2): Accept COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 SUBMITTER: James A. Salmi, Ladder Towers Inco RECOMMENDATION: Revise drawing to allow rotation control COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 to go left and right versus up and down. RECOMMENDATION: Add to first sentence: SUBSTANTIATION: The control is not logical in operation. and eauiooed as defined in Section 18-21.1 The control like the fog nozzle attached to file end of the device SUBST~,N"FIATION: To clarify tile conditions for stability testing should go left to go left and push right to go right. Departments of the truck. with controls that have been turned report no problems with tile COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. arrangement. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The standard allows for this in 18- AFFIRMATIVE: 28 17.6.2. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage (Log #158) 1901- 165- (18-24.2): Accept SUBMITTER: James E. Johannessen, Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL) (Log #490 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 1901- 162- (18-20.4): Reject RECOMMENDATION: Revise text as follows: SUBMITTER: Peter W. Szerlag, Arlington, MA The apparatus the aerial device is mounted on shall be placed on COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 a firm, level surface. If having file stabilizers extended is part of RECOMMENDATION: Add a new Section 18-20.4 to read as the configuration, file stabilizers shall be deployed ~3 aczarda~.cc follows: ...... r ...... to the Point where fl~e "All aerial devices shall he capable of safely absorbing tile impact interlock system allows operation of the aerial de~¢e, A load of 1- load presented by a 400 poundpersonjumping onto tile tip of tile 1/2 times file rated capacity as specified by the manufacturer shall ladder at its most vulnerable orientation." be suspended from the tip of file aerial ladder, or file platform of SUBSTANTIATION: At the library I found an engineering text the elevating platform, when it is in tile position of least stability. which said that impact loads can impart a 100 percent increase in If the manufacturer specifies a rated capacity while water is load to a structure. Unfortunately, I have forgotten most of my flowing, then one times the water load and file worst case nozzle engineering training and I am not sure if the other parts of 18-20 reaction shall be added to tile stability test weights. Tile apparatus expressly account for impact loads. I know that Lynn, MA had two shall show no signs of instability. For a water tower, the stability firefightersjump onto the top of an E One aerial and it did not test shall include 1-1/2 times tile weight of file water in the system

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and 1-1/2 times the maximum nozzle reaction force when it is in (Log #43) the position of least stability. 1901- 169- (19-3.7): Accept l SUBSTANTIATION: Add new sentence to clarify and indicate SUBMITTER: Roger A. Ruth, Fire Apparatus Mfrs Assn. that the proper operation of the interlock requirements in 18-17.4 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 lies to the certification tests in 18-24.2 and 18-24.3 for stability. RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: ITTEE ACTION: Accept. The device shall consist of a removable element that does not NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 r~trict the a~qa~ z!:a!l ~2!c;;" full flow capacity of the foam supply VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: line. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBSTANTIATION: Clarification, the intent is to require a NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage device, with a removable element, that will not restrict the full flow of foam concentrate in the line. It is understood that debris in the line behind the element will cause a restriction in the line. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #159) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 166 - (18-24.2 (New)): Reject AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBMITTEI~ James E. Johannessen, Underwriters Laboratories NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage Inc. (UL) COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Add Paragraph 18-24.2 to read as follows: The foUowin~ stability reauirements shall be met by the anDaratus tha(the aerial device is mounted on when the anDaratus (Log #152) is in a service ready condition, but with all normally removable 1901- 170- (19-3.7): Hold items such as water, bose. ~round ladders, loose eQuinment, etc. SUBMITTEPa Mark Haider, Waterous Co. removed. Items mounted on the aerial device by fl{e manufacturer COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 shall remain mounted. RECOMMENDATION: Add new paragraph 19-3.7 and renumber subsequent paragraphs. SUBSTANTIATION: Add new paragraph to clarify dae stability Paragraph to read "A means shall be provided to prevent foam requirements indicated in Section 18-21.1 applies to the solution backflow into the water supply." certification tests in 18-24 for stability. Renumber subsequent Appendix A-19-3.6 should then be changed to A-19-3.7. Pcaragraphs. SUBSTANTIATION: The paragraph stresses the importance of OMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. protecting the water supply. Some means or methodis needed to COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public insure the water supply is safe from foam solution/concentrate Comment 1901-164 (Log #137) which the committee feels meets contamination. the submitters intent but without repeating a lot of wording. Section A-19-3.6 is more relevant to this new paragraph 19-3.7 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 then the present 19-3.6. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 COMMITTEE ACTION: Hold. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This issue needs additional study NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage before the committee feels it can set definitive requirements. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMI'VFEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage (Log #138) 1901- 167- (18-24.3): Accept SUBMITTER: James A. Salmi, Ladder Towers Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Add to first sentence: [ and eouiDned as defined in Section 18-24.3 (Log #123) 1901- 171 - (19-3.8): Hold SUBST)tN"FIATION: To clarify the conditions for stability testing SUBMITTER: Tom Reser, Edwards Manufacturing Inc. of the truck. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-137 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 19-3.8 "A means shall be provided to prevent foam concentrate VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: or foam solution from contaminating the water source." AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBSTANTIATION: Many injection type or balanced pressure NOT RETURNED: I Gage tPhroportioned foam systems can introduce foam concentrate into e water pump and water source. Contamination of the water source must be avoided, certainly when operating on a hydrant Sotem. MMITTEE ACTION: Hold. (Log #42) COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This issue needs additional study 1901- 168- (19-3.7): Hold before file committee feels it can set definitive requirements. SUBMITTER: Roger A. Ruth, Fire Apparatus Mfrs Assn. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: RECOMMENDATION: Insert new paragraph to read as follows: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 19-3.7" A means shall be provided to prevent contamination of NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage an external water source with foam concentrate or foam solution. SUBSTANTIATION: Automatic controlled foam proportioning systems that inject foam concentrate into the water pump discharge at a higher pressure than the water discharge pressure have the potential to force foam concentrate or foam solution into (Log #155) the external water source. 1901- 172- (19-3.8): Hold COMMITTEE ACTION: Hold. SUBMITI'ER: Phil Turrler, Elkhart Brass COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This issue needs additional study COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-123 before the committee feels it can set definative requirements. RECOMMENDATION: The March 1998 draft had a Section 19-3.8 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 that should remain in the standard. "ff the foam proportioning VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: system injects foam concentrate on the discharge side of the water AFFIRMATIVE: 28 pump, a means shall he provided to automatically prevent foam NOT RETURNED: ! Gage concentrate and foam solution from flowing back into the water pump or water tank.

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SUBSTANTIATION: This is an important feature of a foam the operator to isolate the automatic feature and operate the system that the user and designer must be aware of. Further, a ] system. means to prevent the water source from becoming contaminated COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels its action must be supplied. meets the submitters intent while allowing the designer more COMMITTEE ACTION: Hold. flexibility. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This issue needs additional study NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 before the committee feels it can set definitive requirements. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

. (Log #45) 1901- 175- (19-9.3(b)): Accept (Log #191) SUBMITTER: Roger A. Ruth, Fire Apparatus Mfrs Assn. 1901- 173- (19-3.8): Hold COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 SUBMITTER: Thomas High, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-123 (b) Types of foam concentrate (s) fer C.ztem u:e compatible RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: with svstem desima ("See c~ ..... :^~- ~ Manual"). If total capacity of the foam proportioning system is less than 15 SUBSTANTIATION: Clarification and consistent with previous gallons per minute (56.8 l/rnin) of foam concentrate, and injects wording. foam concentrate into the discharge side of the water pump, a COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. means shall be provided to automatically prevent foam concentrate NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 and foam solution from flowing back into the water pump or water VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: rank. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBSTANTIATION: In response to Mr. Ruth's concern about NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage adding additional seemingly unnecessary expense to a foam system, this argument is valid in the large industrial balanced pressure foam systems, where the pump operator can see the discharge lines and would be aware if a line was shut down. This is rarely the case with the typical municipal engine. The (Log #30) hose lines are stretched from the engine into the building. The 1901- 176 - (19-10): Accept in Principle foam systems currendy used on the municipal apparatus are SUBMITTER: Richard B. Mills, Akron Brass tFy~lically designed to proportion Class A type foam concentrates. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 e Class A concentrates are very susceptible to back flow into the RECOMMENDATION: Strike wording in 19-10'completely ,as water pump, which can then back flow mto the municipal water shown below: system. The check valve in the discharge side of the water pump ,. ,n* ~ Propc.rnon:ng ~I ...... ;. Thc accuracy c.f would prevent the foam concentrate from entering the municipal water system. This is more of a concern to the municipal Fire Department than it would be to the industrial department. .I.-II ...... :~ ¢ ...... +-~.~ ...... 47 .J-1 t~ ...... The typical municipal Fire Department pump operator is required to perform many different tasks at an emergency scene. pr-ess~ The operator may not always be able to observe the handlines and Replace with wording currently in paragraph 17-10 of 1901-1996 shut off the foam system if the handlines are shut down. The as ShOWn: addition of an autorruatic check valve in the discharge piping would 17-10" Foam Prpportionin~ System Accuracy. The accuracy of make the system more user friendly and prevent any unnecessary ~l~e foam proportioning system shall be tested by the apparatus contamination of apublic water supply. manufacturer odor to delivery of the aooaratus. If the COMMITTEE ACTION: Hold• COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This issue needs additional study maoufaemrer's rated nrooortionin~ ratio is below 3 oercent, the before dae committee feels it can set definitive requirements. foam system shall nrooortion foam concentrate within -0 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 percent/+40 percent of the manufacturer's rated proportioning VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: ratio across tl~e manufacturer's stated range of water flow and AFFIRMATIVE: 28 pressure. If ttae mamffacturer's rated nrooortioning ratio is at or NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage above 3 percent, the foam system shall orooortion foam concemrate within -0 percent/+40 percent of the manufacturer's rated proportionin~ ratio or 1 nercenmge point, whichever is less, across the manufacturer's stated range of water flow and nressure. (Log #193) SUBSTANTIATION: +/- 10 percent is too restrictive for most 1901- 174- (19-4.4): Accept in Principle foam systems and unnecessary. This is supposed to be a minimum SUBMITTER: Thomas High, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. standard. The Foam Task Group realized the need for a COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 minimum standard (-0) and adopted the UL Standard for 3 and 6 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: percent. The 1/2 percent tolerance of +40 percent - 0 percent was Foam proportioning systems that incorporate automatic determined reasonable and adopted. proportioning features shall be equippedwith con~-c.zI ~at! cna~.e~.1 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public oz ...... a redimdant or backup means of Comment 1901-177 (Log #37). controllin~ the foam system in the event of a failure of the primary NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: control svstem. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBSTANTIATION: The current wording is design restrictive. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage The intent of this paragraph is to provide another means of controlling the foam system in the event of a failure of the primary control system. As new technologies are developed, the need for a strictly manual control would be design restrictive, and involve unnecessary expense. The use of redundant control systems is common practice on every aircraft and other specialized machines. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. I Revise 19-4.4 to.read as follows: Foam proportioning systems that incorporate automatic proportioning features shall be equipped with controls that enable

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(Log #37) to promote his advantage. However, it is not NFPA's intent to 1901- 177 - (19-10):. Accept in Principle write current technology out of the Standard until such technology SUBMITTER: John Grindley, Robwen, Inc. is obsoleted by the industry as a whole. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public Foam proportioning system accuracy. The accuracy of the foam Comment 1901-177 (Log #37). proportioning system shall be tested by the apparatus NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 manufacturer prior to delivery as follows: Systems producing fo,'un VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: at ratios between 0.1 percent and 1.0 percent shall be tested at AFFIRMATIVE: 28 or minus 20 nercent. Proportioning systems producing foam at NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage ratios at 3 percent and higher shall be tested at plus or minus l0

SUBSTANTIATION: At very low proportioning ratios, e.g. 0.1 percent, testing at plus or minus 10 percent will show an accuracy (Log #122) tolerance of plus or minus 0.01 percent which is very tight and not 1901- 179 --(19-10): Accept in Principle practical. Testing to these tolerances would require apparatus SUBMITTER: Tom Reser, Edwards Manufacturing Inc. manufacturers to obtain extremely accurate testing equipment COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-137 above and beyond what is conveniently available and could RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: perhaps restrict development of future proportioning equipment. The accuracy of the foam proportioning system shall be tested by Accept in Principle. COMMITTEE ACTION: the apparatus manufacturer prior to delivery of the apparatus. If Revise 19-10 to read as follows: the manufacturer's rated proportioning ratio is below 3 percent, The foam proportioning system shall be accurate throughout the file foam system shall proportion foam concentrate within -0 manufacturer's stated range of flow(s) and pressure(s). The percent/+ 30 percent of the manufacturer's rated proportioning accuracy of the foam proportioning system shall be tested by the ratio across the manufacturer's stated range of water flow and apparatus manufacturer prior to delivery of the apparatus. Systems pressure. If the manufacturer's rated proportioning ratio is at or designed to produce foam solution at ratios of less than 1 percent above 3 percent, file foam system shallproportion foam shall proportion foam concentrate to an accuracy of + 20 percent. concentrate within -0 percent and +1 percent of the manufacturer's Systems designed to produce foam solution at ratios of 1 percent rated proportioning ratio, across the manufacturer's stated range or greater shall proportion foam concentrate to an accuracy of of water flow andpressure. minus 0 plus 30 percent or 1 percentage point, whichever is less. SUBSTANTIATION: This is similar to the language that was COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This provides a realistic minimum adopted by the foam task group and put in the draft in March of accuracy for systems designed to produce foam solution at ratios 98. The proposed language in 19-10 Report on Proposals 137 is of less than 1 percent and brings systems designed to produce too restrictive and does qualify as an minimum standard. Some foam solution at ratios of i percent or greater in line with the foam eductors and other foam concentrate injection devices accuracy requirements in NFPA 11, Standard for Low-Expansion cannot meet this requirement. For Class A foams that are Foam. See also the substantiation associated with Public Comment proportioned at percentages below 3 percent fire accuracy is not 1901-178 (Log #47). critical as it is with a Class B foam system at 3 or 6 percent. With NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: Class B foams, safety is a critical factor and allowing a -10 percent is not in the best interest of the user. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 The NFPA standard cited of 11C is not updated nor is it accurate. NOT RETURNED: .1 Gage The base document NFPA 11/1998 issue states "(a) Not less than the rated concentration (b) No more than 30 percent above the rated concentrate, or 1 percent point above the rated concentration (which ever is less)" Page 11-26 Section 7-3.3.1~ COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. (Log #47) 1901- 178 - (19.10): Accept in Principle COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-177 (Log #37). SUBMITTER: Roger A. Ruth, Fire Apparatus Mfrs Assn. 29 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage acc=ra~" o~r :,/~ .~ If the mamffacturer's state dp roportioning range_ is less than 3 nercent, the foam svstem shall nronortion foam concentrate within -0 nercent/+40 nercent of the manufacturer's stated nronortioning rates throughout the manufacturer's stated rapge of x~ater flow and t~ressure. If the maIlufacturer's stated (Log #150) orooortionin~ range is at or ~reater d~an 3 percent, tile foam 1901- 180- (19-10): Reject svstem shall oronortion foam~concentrate within -0 percent/+l SUBMITTER: Mark Haider, Waterous Co. percentage point of the manufacturer's stat¢~l proportigning rgl;¢s COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Delete the sentence: tllroughout the mamffacturer's stated range of water flow arid ,,w~...... , ,.^ c...... ^_: ...... ~^m gh~'1 ~^ te ,'^~ I~7 fi~c appar=tu~ manufazturcr pricr to dcli;'cr 7 .~f the apparatus." SUBSTANTIATION: 1. NFPA-11 Low Expansion Foam and SUBSTANTIATION: The objective of this section is to set a Combined Agent Systems requires a system accuracy of 0/+30 minimum standard for foam proportioning accuracy. The second percent. sentence achieves this objective. Kequiring an accuracy test be 2. Most mechanical ~md hydraulically controlled systems can not performed by the apparatus manufacturer may not be necessary meet a +/-10 percent requirement at percentages less than 3 and may result in a significant cost to the purchaser. A-19-10 can percent. be made use of if purchaser requires testing. 3. A minimum accuracy range of 1 percent is required for Class COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. B systems operating at 3 percent or greater with the current foam COMMITTEE STATEMENT: Testing is necessary to ensure concentrate viscosity range i.e. AFFF through Universals. system performance. Example: A typical Class B system operating at the 3 percent NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 setting willproportion a Universal foam concentrate at 3.1 to 5.2 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: percent andan AFFF foam concentrate at 3.8 to 3.9 percent. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 4. The only calibration equipment capable of qualifying a Class NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage A system designed to operate at 0.5 percent with an accuracy requirement of +/- 10 percent is a conductivity meter. It is not practicable to deny the use of the other qualified test methods such as refractometers. 5. This is a minimum Standard, any manufacturer can offer a system that is more accurate than the Standard requires and is fi'ee

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(Log #154) testing procedures that would be developed and used to test low 1901- 181 - (19-10): Accept in Principle percentage - low flowproportioners under such a proposed SUBMITTER: Phil Turner, Elkhart Brass standard. In Class A foam discharge sldeproportioning for COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-137 structural firefighting, it is unnecessary and unreasonable to have RECOMMENDATION: Return to the March 1998 draft language the proportioner as accurate as proposed. It will drive up the cost of foam system accuracy. and reduce the number of products able to meet the standard with SUBSTANTIATION: The proposed accuracy of + 10% of mechanical proportioning devices. This is a minimum standard manufacturer's stated range is restrictive and should not be used as and MUST NOT be used to promote the most advanced and a minimum standard. expensive technology. It simply IS NOT NECESSARY and the COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. committee needs to revisit this issue with reasonable expectations. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. Comment 1901-177 (Log #37). COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 Comment 1901-177 (Log #37). VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #181) 1901- 182 - (19-10): Accept in Principle (Log #151) SUBMITTER: Andy Klein, Pierce Manufacturing lnc_ 1901- 184- (20-2.2): Accept COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-137 SUBMITTER: Mark Haider, Waterous Co. RECOMMENDATION: ELiminate the proposed language and COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 keep the existing language. RECOMMENDATION: Delete the word "matched" from first Existing: The accuracy of the foam proportioning system shall be sentence, tested by the apparatus manufacturer prior to delivery of the Add the word "flow" to second sentence. apparatus, ff the manufacturer's rated proportioning ratio is Add statement defining water flow. below 3 percent, the foam system shall proportion foam Revise the paragraph to read: "The total CAFS rating shall be concentrate within minus 0 percent/plus 40 percent of the expressed in terms of air and water flow. The air flow shall be manufacturers' rated proportioning ratio against the expressed in standard cubic feet per minute (SCFM) and shall be manufacturer's stated range of water flow and pressure. If the based on the continuous flow capacity of the compressed air manufacturer's rated proportioning ratio is at or above 3 percent, source(s) at a minimum of 125 psi. The water flow shall be the foam system shall proportion foam concentrate within minus 0 expressed in gallons per minute (~pm) at a pressure of'125 psi. percent/plus 40 percent of the manufacturer's rated proportioning SUBSTANTIATION: The word 'matched" implies the CAFS ratio or 1 percentage point, which ever is less, against the rating is expressed in a one to one ratio of air (SCFM) and water manufacturer's stated range of water flow and pressure. (gpm) flow. This is not consistent with the Capacity Rating Test in SUBSTANTIATION: The current standard is adequate at tiffs Sec. 20-9.1.1. time and for. the foreseeable future from both a safety and The word "flow" was added for clarity. application standpoint. We feel that such a new standard will be Defining water flow was added for completeness. desil~m restrictive. It is possible that such a standard would COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. eliminate the use of mechanical proportioning devices. It is our NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 understanding that the currently available foam concentrates have VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: been formulated in a manner consistent with the current standard. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 There is concern over the accuracy of the testing procedures that NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage would be developed and used to test low percentage - low flow proportioners under such a proposed standard. This is a minimum standard and should not be used to promote the most advanced and expensive technology. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. (Log #125) COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public 1901- 185 - (20-2.4): Accept Comment 1901-177 (Log #37). SUBMITTER: Torn Reser, Edwards Manufacturing Inc. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: I RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 "On CA~, the water pump and- air pressure shall be NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage automatically balanced up to the rated pressure of the air compressor within .1/5 Fercemt +/-10 percent. SUBSTANTIATION: Typical air pressure balance components cannot achieve +/-5 percent. In addition many operators ,and users prefer a higher margin of air pressure greater than 5 percent (Log #235) over the water pressure. 1901- 183 - (19-10): Accept in Principle COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. SUBMITTER: Fred Windisch, Ponderosa Vol. Fire Dept., TX NUMBER OF COMMITrEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-137 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: RECOMMENDATION: Eliminate the proposed language and AFFIRMATIVE: 28 keep the existing language. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage Existing: The accuracy of the foam proportioning system shall be tested by the apparatus manufacturerprior to delivery of the apparatus, ff the manufacturer's ratecl proportioning ratio is below 3 percent, the foam system shall proportion foam concentrate within minus 0 percent/plus 40 percent of the (Log #101 ) manufacturers rated proportioning ratio against the manufacturer's 1901- 186 - (20-3.4): Accept in Principle stated ranger of water flow and pressure, ff the manufacturer's SUBMITTER: Roger A. Ruth, Fire Apparatus Mfrs Assn. rated proportioning ratio is at above 3 percent, the foam system COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 shall proportion foam concentrate within minus 0 percent/plus 40 RECOMMENDATION: Revise as follows: percent of the manufacturer's rated proportioning ratio or 1 ffa holding, surge or separator tank O k r M percentage point, which ever is less, against the manufacturer's oressure vessels~ is provided and "t f~!!z ;;'dz'n t!~c zccpc .~f d;c stated range of water flow and pressure. SUBSTANTIATION: The current standard is adequate at this time and for the foreseeable future from both a safety and ..... ; ..... ++ ~¢ +1.+ A(~N,q]~ I~;Ioe ~mA De+++ .... 't~?++++l P~]+ application standpoint. There is concern over the accuracy of the ...... ,:,+++:^_ .,.,, .~:..._:__ , _-++_ +i ..... +.+ ...... v ...... it shall corn ply wi tb

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Title 29, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), paragraph 1910.169, (Log #103) "Air Receivers." 1901- 189 - (20-3.4.2): Accept in Principle SUBSTANTIATION: Consistent with 23-5.1 which covers air SUBMITTEI~ Roger A. Ruth, Fire Apparatus Mfrs Assn. cylinders used on automotive equipment. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. RECOMMENDATION: Add new text to read as follows: I Revise 20-3.4 to read as follows: Valves installed on air tanks shall meet the requirements of the ff a holding, surge or separator tank (DOT tank or ASME Compressed Gas Association regarding pressure and usage with pressure vessel) is provided, it shall comply with Title 29, Code of compressed air. Federal Regulations (CFR), paragraph 1910.169, "Air Receivers" or SUBSTANTIATION: Consistent with 23-5.3 which covers air equal for the rated pressure. cylinders used on automotive equipment. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee has added the COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. wording "or equal for the rated pressure" to allow tanks built to [ Add a new 20-3.4.2 to read as follows: comparable standards to be used. This allows for more [ Valves installed on air tanks shall meet the requirements of the international application of the document. [ Compressed Gas Association or equivalent standards regarding NUMBER OF COMMITI'EE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 I pressure and usage with compressed air. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee has added wording AFFIRMATIVE: 28 to allow valves on air tanks to meet standards that are comparable NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage to the requirements of the Compressed Gas Association. This allows for more international application of the document. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #192) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 187 - (20-3.4): Accept in Principle AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBMITrER: Thomas Higb, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-142 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: ff a holding, surge or separator tank is provided and it fails within tile scope of the ABME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code, Section (Log #104) VIII, Division 1, it shall be designed, fabricated and stamped in 1901- 190- (20-3.4.3): Accept accordance with tile requirements of the ASME Boiler and SUBMITTER: Roger A. Ruth, Fire Apparatus Mfrs Assn. Pressure Vessel Code, Section VIII, Division 1, ~for the COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 rated pressure. RECOMMENDATION: Add new text to read as follows: SUBSTANTIATION: Many Compressed Air Foam systems Air tanks shall bepermanently stamped or identified in incorporate components which are manufactured and built in accordance with DOT or ASME regulations. If the installation accordance witia the European DIN and ISO standards. These utilizes DOT cylinders, a label shall be placed on the operator's standards are as stringent if not more so than the ASME standards. panel indicating the test date stamped on the cylinders and the The intent of the paragraph to assure the end user that the date the cylinders will next require testing. components in the CAF system are desi.gned and manufactured to SUBSTANTIATION: Consistent with 23-5.4 which covers air a certain level of safety would still remain. cylinders used on automotive equipment. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Action on Public NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 Comment 1901-186 (Log #101). VOTE ON COMMITrEE ACTION: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage (Log #175) (Log #102) 1901- 191 - (20-9.1.1): Accept in Principle 1901- 188 - (20-3.4.1): Accept in Principle SUBMITTER: Michael Ruthy, WS Darley & Co. SUBMITTER: Roger A. Ruth, Fire Apparatus Mfrs Assn. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: RECOMMENDATION: Add new text to read as follows: Water pump shall discharge 2-ga-l-l_gp_.n~ of water... Transportable air tanks shall comply witia Title 49, Code of SUBSTANTIATION: 20-2.2 states rating is in matched air and Federal Regulations (CFR), paragraph 178.37, Specification 3AA, water flow. Also, units of GPM better match units of SCFM. "Seamless Steel Cylinders Made of Definitely Prescribed Steels"; or COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. 3AXX, "Seamless Steel Cylinders Made of Definitely Prescribed I Change the units from gallons to gallons per minute (gpm) but Steels of Capacity over 1000 Pounds of water volume," or Title 29, I leave the discharge rate at 2 gpm. Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), paragraph 1910.169 "Air COMMITTEE STATEMENT: CAFS installed on apparatus Receivers." Relief valves shall be of the ASME type on ASME covered under NFPA 1901 are generally of sufficient capacity to cylinders and of the DOT type on DOT cylinders. require a water pump capable of 2 gpm water/1 SCFM air. The SUBSTANTIATION: Consistent with 23-5.2 which covers air requirement for matched air and water flow has been deleted. See cylinders used on automotive equipment. Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-184 (Log #151). COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 Add a new 20-3.4.1 to read as follows: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: Transportable air tanks shall comply with Tide 49, Code of AFFIRMATIVE: 28 Federal Regulations (CFR), paragraph 178.37, Specification 3AA, NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage "Seamless Steel Cylinders Made of Definitely Prescribed Steels"; or 3AXX, "Seamless Steel Cylinders Made of Definitely Prescribed Steels of Capacity over ] 000 Pounds of water volume," or Title 29, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), paragraph 1910.169 "Air (Log #48) Receivers." Relief valves shall be of the ASME type on ASME 1901- 192 - (20-9.1.2): Accept in Principle cylinders and of the DOT type on DOT cylinders or equal for the SUBMITTER: Roger A. Ruth, Fire Apparatus Mfrs Assn. rated pressure. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1910-217 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee has added the RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: wording "or equal for die rated pressure" to allow relief valves built Test gauges shall meet the requirements of 14-13.2.2.4, and all to comparable standards to be used. This allows for more test gauge connections shall include a means for snubbing, "such international application of the document. asneedle v~lt.vestod~np out rapid needle movements. ~fless-6~ NUMBER OF COMMrI'rEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

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SUBSTANTIATION: The manufacturer who must add the to Operate Generator" mode, or dirt the chassis transmission is in snubber valves does not know whether the test gauges will be neutral and die parking brake is engaged. If a "Throttle Ready" liquid filled or not. "See 14-13.2.2.5.',' indicator is not orovided, an "OK to Ooerate Generator" indicator COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. shall be provided at the ouerator's nanel to indicate dirt the Revise the last sentence of 20-9.1.2 to read as follows: ~enerator is en~a~ed, the chassis transmission is in the correct Test gauges shall meet die requirements of 14-13.2.2.4 and 14- 13.2.2.5. ~ear. and the narkin~ brake is en~raged. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels that by SUBSTANTL~TIOI~ A "Throttle Ready" indicator without a referencing 14-13.2.2.5, die remaining requirements do not need to means to operate the throttle may be confusing to die operator. be stated here. COMMITYEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Comment 1901-193 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: (Log #CG4) which deletes 21-5.1.6.3. The committee feels the AFFIRMATIVE: 28 changes it is making with the committee comment address the NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage submitters concerns. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: (Log #CCA) AFFIRMATIVE: 28 1901- 193 - (21-5.1 and 21-5.2): Accept NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage SUBMITTER: Technical Committee on Fire Department Ap aratus c~)Pl~MENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-151 RECOMMENDATION: Revise 21-5.1.2 to read: (Log #17) "An interlock shall prevent engagement of die generator unless the 1901- 195 - (21-5.1.7, 21-5.1.7.1, 21-5.1.7.2 and 21-5.1.7.3): Accept parking brake is engaged. Where the chassis engine drives the in Principle generator and electronic engine throttle controls are provided, an SUBMITrER: Timothy A. Bruhnke, Marion Body Works, Inc. interlock shall prevent engine speed control from any other source COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 while the generator is operating." RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: Delete 21-5.1.6.3 21-5.1.7 Where the generator is driven by a trarlsmission- Revise 21-5.1.7.1 to read: mounted (SAE) PTO, front-of-engine crank shaft PTO, or engine "A "Generator Engaged" indicator shall be provided in the driving flywheel PTO, and apparatus is to be used for stationary generator compartment to indicate that file generator shift has been operation with the cllassis transmission in neutral, an interlock successfully completed." system shall be provided to ensure that the drive system Delete 21-5.1.7.2 and renumber 21-5.1.7.3 as 21-5.1.7.2. components are jproperly engaged in the power generation mode Renumber 21-5.1.8 as 21-5.2.4 of operation so that the generator system can be safely operated Renumber 21-5.1.8.1 as 21-5.2.4.1 and revise the requirement to from the operators panel. read: 21-5.1.7.1 A "Generator Engaged" indicator shall be provided "A "Generator Engaged" indicator shall be provided in die driving both in the driving compartment and at die operator's position to comparunent to indicate dlat the generator shift has been indicate that the generator shift has been successfully completed, successfully completed. If a generator engagement control is the chassis transmission is in neutral, and the parking brake is provided, a "generator engaged" indicator shall be provided in the driving compartment to indicate that die generator shift has been successfully completed." Delete 21-5.1.8.2 and 21-5.1.8.3. Renumber 21-5.1.9 as 21-5.1.8 and revise the requirement to read: g.~l. ~, ...... 1 "An interlock system shall be provided to prevent advancement of the engine speed unless the chassis, transmission is in neutral and the parking brake is engaged, or the apparatus is in "OK to Operate Generator" mode. Replace 21-5.2.2 with text that reads: SUBSTANTIATION: By a~d]ng the requirements for the "A hydraulic generator system shall operate at all engine speeds, transmission in neutral and die parking brake engaged to the or an automatic engine speed control system shall be provided. "Generator Engaged" indicator light, we can removethe extra Revise A-21-5.1 to read as follows: ligbts in the cab and the operator's panel. With the new electronic "A PTO generator system typically consists of a propulsion engines and transmissions, it is possible to control die entire PTO engine, a controller to regulate the propulsion engine's speed, an activation system with one switcb, provided the interlocks are done appropriate PTO arrangement, drive train components, a properly, making any more indictors unnecessary. The "Throttle generator, and other miscellaneous parts. When a generator and Ready" light can be removed, because with the electronic engines, fire pump are both direct driven by die same engine and both are and proper interlocks, die engine RPM can be increased operated at die same time, fire pump performance is limited to the automaticaUy, making a throttle switch unnecessary and generator set speed and pump pressure is controlled by a pressure redundant. relief valve." COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. SUBSTANTIATION: There were a number of public comments COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Comment 1901-193 dealing with Sections 21-5.1 and 21-5.2. The committee carefully (Log #CC4). The committee feels die changes it is making with reviewed diose comments and suggestions together with die the committee comment address the submitters concerns. wording of Sections 21-5.1 and 21-5.2 as published in the Report NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 on Proposals. The above changes are intended to address die VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: submitters concerns and realign some of the text to better AFFIRMATIVE: 28 differentiate between direct drive and hydrmdic drive generators. NOT RETURNED: I Gage COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage (Log #199) 1901- 196 - (21-5.1.7): Accept in Principle SUBMITTEI~ Lisa S. Breu, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. (Log #198) COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-151 1901- 194- (21-5.1.6.3): Accept in Principle RECOMMENDATION: Add a new paragraph within Section 21- SUBMITTER: Lisa S. Breu, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. 5.1 to read: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-151 21-5.1.? Where the generator is hydraulically or direct drive RECOMMENDATION: Revise 21-5.1.6.3 to read: driven by a constantly en~aged transmission mounted (SAE) PTO, If a means to increase/decrease die dirottle is provided at die front of engine cranksh,'fft PTO. or eneine flywheel PTO and the v v onerators oanel a "Throttle Ready" indicator shall be provided at apparatus is to be used for either stationary or "moving mode the operator's panel that indicates that the apparatus is in the "OK oneration" and the ~enerator will onerate properly with the

194 NFPA 1901 ~ A99 ROC automatic transmission either in neutral or ~ear. an "OK to changes it is making with the committee comment address the Operate Generator" iodicator shall be provided both in the driving submitters concerns. co,.mpartment and at the ot)erators navel to indicate that the NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 g~nerator is ready for overation. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 21-5.1.?? If a mearls to increase/decrease the throttle is orovided NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage at the overators nanel, a "Throttle Ready" indicator shall be providecl at the ooerator's_ panel to indicate when the chassis transmission is in neutral and tbe oarkin~ brake in en~a~ed. SUBSTANTIATION: The proposed textfor paragraph 21-5.1.8 does not account for the case in which the generator will operate (Log #121 ) roperly whenever the apparatus is running. If a generator is 1901- 199- (21-8.2.2): Accept ~ ydraulically driven by a constant engagement PTO, it is very likely SUBMITTER: W. Kenneth Menke, Fire Service Research Inst. that it will be available for operation whenever the apparatus is COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 running. For example, the transmission may be in gear and the RECOMMENDATION: Add THWN and XHHW as allowable parking brake engaged to provide pumping operations or the truck wire types. may be in neutral and the parking brake released. In either case, SUBSTANTIATION: It is my understanding that THHW is not the generator will be available to operate. Therefore, multiple readily available while the above referenced wire types are readily indicators are not necessary. available and would provide equivalent performance. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. COMMrFrEE ACTION: Accept. COMMITI'EE STATEMENT: See Committee Comment 1901-195 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #CC4). The cortmaittee feels the changes it is making with VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: dais committee comment address the submitters concerns. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #116) 1901- 200- (21-10.5.2): Reject SUBMITTER: John Doperalski, Emergency One, Inc. (Log #197) COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 1901- 197- (21-5.1.7.3):: Reject RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: SUBMITTER: Lisa S. Breu, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. All receptacles located in a dry location shall be of the grounding COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-151 type. Receptacles shall be not less than ~0 in. ~,~o ~.~ • RECOMMENDATION: Revise 21-5.1.7.3 to read: (508 mm) above the interior floor. If a means to increase/decrease the throttle is nrovided at the SUBSTANTIATION: Compartments in some areas are onerators navel a '"Throttle Ready" indicator shall be provided at commonly less than 30 in. high. It would not be possible to put the operator's panel that indicates that the apparatus is in the "OK receptacles 30 in. from floor. to Operate Generator" mode, or that the chassis transmission is in COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. neutral and the parking brake is engaged, ff a "Throttle Ready" COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The Committee is ,assuming that the i0dicator is not nrovided, an "OK to Overate Generator" indicator submitter is talking about normal exterior compartments as those shall be vrovide~l at the ot)erator's ravel to indicate that the are where receptacles would normally be located on an apparatus. ~enerator is entra~red, the chassis transmission is in the correct By definition, these are wet locations and receptacles are allowed to be anywhere in the compartment as long as they are at least 24 g~ar. and the varl~in~ brake is ent~aged: in. off the ground on a normal vehicle or 30 in. off the ground if SUBSTANTLg,TION- • A "Throttle Ready" indicator without a the vehicle is designed for off-road use. (see 21-10.5.1.2). Further means to operate the throttle may be confusing to the operator. the installation must meet the requirements of 21-10.5.1.1. The 30 COMMIITEE ACTION: Reject. in. level was directed at crew cabs and walk in rescue areas and COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The operator's panel is where the the interior floor is that of the vehicle, not the compartment. As switches and controls ,are located (see definition) and the these could be subject to being washed out to clean or disinfect committee feels therd should he a thi'ottle ready indicator there. the area, the committee felt the 30 in. level was needed. See also Committee Comment 1901-193 (Log #CC4). NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: VOTE ON COMMrlTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #2) (Log #196) 1901- 201 - (21-14.2): Accept in Principle 1901- 198- (21-5.1.8.3): Accept in Principle SUBMITTER: Douglas B. Kelley, S & S Fire Apparatus Co. SUBMITrER: Lisa S. Breu, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-216 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-151 RECOMMENDATION: Deleteparagraph 21-14.2. RECOMMENDATION: Revise 21-5.1.8.3 to read: SUBSTANTIATION: The test described in dais paragraph is not If a means to increase/decrease the throttle is nrovided at the useful or practical for these reasons: ooerators oanel a "Throttle Ready" indicator shall be provided at 1. The test cannot be performed as written. Either the test must the operator's panel that indicates that the apparatus is in the "OK be performed while tile electrical system is being constructed to Operate Generator" mode, or that the chassis transmission is in (defeating the intent of complete system testing), or else.the neutral and the parking brake is engaged. electrical system must be disassembled after construction to indicator is not nrovided, an "OK to Overate Generator" indicator perform the test. shall be nrovided at the onerator's ravel to indicate that th¢ 2. The test is designed to check for insulation faults. However, ~enerator is entra~ted: the'chassis ~ansmission is in the correct unless there is a complete ground (i.e. a complete hole in the v Itear. and the varl~inlt brake is en~a~ed. insulation), even worn or thin insulation will still pass the test. SUBSTANTLATION2. A "Throttle Ready" indicator without a 3. There is little safety value to the test. Really, an insulation fault will result in "popping" a circuit breaker. When you energize means to operate the throttle may be confusing to the operator. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. the system, and all the circuit breakers stay shut, you have COMMITTEE STATEMENT: See Committee Comment 1901-193 effectively passed the test described in this paragraph. Accept in Principle. (Log #CCA) which deletes 21-5.1.8.3. The committee feels the COMMYUrEE ACTION: [ Do not delete the paragraph but add an appendix to tlais I requirement to read:

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"Completion of this test might require disconnection of all (Log #23) grounded equipment for the ground portion of the test, and of the 1901- 204- (21-14.5): Accept power source and permanently connected loads for the SUBMITTER: RobertJ. Barraclough, Class 1, Inc. live/neutral portion of the test. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels the test should ] RECOMMENDATION: Delete entire paragraph. be conducted as problems are detected that can be corrected prior SUBSTANTIATION: The purpose of any manufacturers test is to to field failure of the electrical circuit. However, the committee ensure that all the components of his system have been load or feels that an explanation in tile appendix will allow persons to time tested as a system before the delivery to the purchaser. Any understand some of the ramifications of the testing process. manufacturer of a given system could have supplied a component NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (such as a switch or bearing) that is not exactly to the design VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: requirements. By requiring a test on every line voltage system the AFFIRMATIVE: 28 buyer has some assurance that each truck system has been checked NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage and/or tested. We require this for pumps and aerial devices, so it is reasonable to require that every line voltage system be tested.. The packages (Log #CC3) are put together by humans and humans sometimes cannot get 1901- 202- (21-14.4.2): Accept everything 100 percent correct. SUBMITTER: Technical Committee on Fire Department COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. Apparatus ] Also delete the Exception under 21-14.4.2 and Appendix A-21- COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 I 14.4.2. RECOMMENDATION: Add a new second sentence to read as COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The Exception under 21-14.4.2 and follows: Appendix A-21-14.4.2 reference category certification in "Testing with a resistive load bank shall be oermitted." accordance with 21-14.5. As that paragraph is being deleted, tbe SUBSTANTIATION: Committee Action on" Public Comment exception and appendix are no longer applicable. 1901-6 (Log #24) deleted the second sentence. This will add NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 language to clarify that using a resistive load bank to run the tests is VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: permissible. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage (Log #31) 1901- 205 - (22-7.1): Accept in Principle (Log #CGS) SUBMITrER: Ron W. French, W. Chicago, IL 1901- 203- (21-14.4(2) and 14-13.2.1.2): Accept COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 SUBMITTER: Technical Committee on Fire Department RECOMMENDATION: Revise 22-7.1 to read as follows: Apparatus "If seating is provided in the command center and that same COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 seating is used during mobile operations (moving over tile RECOMMENDATION: Add 2 sentences to the end of 21-14.4.2 highway), the seat(s) arid seating area(s) shall comply with Section to read: 12-1. "If ~be ~tpparatu~ is equipped with a fire t~umo, this 2 hour test SUBSTANTIATION: This change will require not only that tile ~hall be completed with the fire numn oumnin~ at 100 oercent of seat but also the seating area comply with Section 12-1 so issues of ¢apgcity at 150 psi net pump pressure. "The'2 flour test'shall be loose equipment, noise, access, and communication are properly permitted to be run concurrently with the numn certification test addressed. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. reauired in 14-13.1." Revise 22-7.1 to read as follows: Add a sentence to 14-13.2.1.3 to read: "If seating is provided in the command center and that same "If file vehicle is eauiooed with both a line voltage ~enerator and seating is used during mobile operations (moving over the a fire oumn. see 21-14.4." highway), the seat(s) and crew area(s) shall comply with Section SUBS;rAN;rIATION: Issues have arisen as to whether the line 12d. voltage generator should be able to provide 100 percent output COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is editorially with the fire pump operating at 100 percent capacity. The addition changing the suggested added word "seating" to "crew" to agree of this wording will clarify that issue. wifla the wording in Section 12-1. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 AFFIRMATIVE: 27 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NEGATIVE: 1 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: DEWALD: The requirement to test the line voltage generator at 100 percent output for two hours with the fire pump pumping at (Log #128) 100 percent of capacity at 150 psi net pump pressure is absolutely a 1901- 206- (23-2.10.1): Accept worst case scenario and most probably is not indicative of an in- SUBMITTER: Alan Saulsbury, Saulsbury Fire Rescue Inc. service application. In many cases, die generators being used were COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 not designed for the fire service and may not perform to the RECOMMENDATION: Rewrite sentence: requirements of this test. They do perform in typical in-service Caution or warning signs shall be affixed where necessary;, in applications. This standard either forces a redesign of the addition, applicable instruction plate(s) shall be installed to advise generator to meet these criteria or a de-rating of the generator. It operator on proper adjustment or settings of controls for safe is not likely that the generator will be redesigned since the fire operation. service usage of these generators is minimal and the manufacturers SUBSTANTIATION: Changed to denote difference in "sign" and are not willing to change their standard designs to accommodate for operation. the fire service. Since there is not a contingency between the MMITTEE ACTION: Accept. pump and the generator in-many applications, i.e. the heat NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 generated by the pump has no effect on the generator, it is VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: excessive to require that the pump and generator be operated and AFFIRMATIVE: 28 tested at the same time. This recommendation shouldhave been NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage put out as a proposal for public comment before the committee adopted it. There was no opportunity to investigate the implications of making dais a standard.

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(Log #189) COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. 1901- 207- (23-3.3.3): Reject COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The submitter is addressing SUBMITTER: Wayne Kleinmann, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. material that was part of a public proposal that was not accepted COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-181 by the committee. The submitter is directed to the committee RECOMMENDATION: Change 20 ° back to 25 ° . action on Public Proposal 1901-195 which is the wording that SUBSTANTIATION: Why focus on temperature change to drive aappe~ears in the proposed 1999 edition of the standard. air quality? Section 23~t addresses air quality standards to a much NUMBER OF CO~n~ITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 eater extent. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: MMITTEE ACTION: Reject. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This has nothing to do with air NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage quality found in 23-4. The 20 ° F above ambient temperature output as presendy written is acceptable to all air compressor manufacturers. The temperature was changed to provide the user with slightly cooler air so that when filling DOT, ASME or SCBA (Log #39) cylinders, less pressure reduction will result from the headng when 1901- 210 - (23-9.1.2): Reject filling. SUBMITTER: Margaret B. Garrett, Bauer Compressors, Inc. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-195 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 21-9.1.2 Testing/Certification NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage Manufactu r er...criteria: A-An 00 88 cu. ft SCBA cylinder...fill station SUBSTANTIATION: Documentation from two of the leading suppliers of SCBA is attached. Neither manufacturer indicates a (Log #188) "90 CF cylinder" is available. 1901- 208 - (23-5.4): Accept in Principle Note: Supporting material available for review at NFPA SUBMITTER: Wayne Kleinmann, Pierce Manufacturing Inc. headquarters. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-186 COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The submitter is addressing "Air tanks shall be ... ff the installation utilizes DOT cylinders, a material that was part of a public proposal that was not accepted label shall be placed on the operator's panel indicating the test by the committee. There is no 23-9.1.2 or material relevant to this date stamped on the cylinders z..-z~ ~c datc ~-c c'/!'n~cm ;;5!! next comment in 23-9.1. See Committee Action on Public Comment -..... ~'1 .... :-^ ~dng and the recommended testing intervals. 1901-211 (Log #40) which addresses the issue of cylinder size. SUBSTANTIATION: Since the testing would take place every five NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 years, how would a label (provided by an apparatus builder) be VOTE ON COMMITrEE ACTION: made? It could indicate the first date, but not any subsequent AFFIRMATIVE: 28 specific date(s). A fire department may inspect 6 months before NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage the indicated date. Then what.> This should be logged in on a maintenance schedule and be the responsibility of the fire department. (Log #40) COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. 1901- 211 - (23-9.4.1): Accept in Principle I Revise the second sentence of 23-5.4 to read as follows: SUBMITTER: Margaret B. Garrett, Bauer Compressors, Inc. "ff the installation utilizes DOT cylinders, a label shall be placed COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-195 on or near the operators panel that provides: RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: (a) the original cylinder test date stamped on the cylinders 23-9.4.1 The manufacturer...model. The test shall include (b) the recommended testing interval pressurizing a 90-f43 ~3-)- 88 ft3~3L 4500 PSl...during (c) five (5) additional open spaces, appropriately labeled, for file test. the user to enter actual retesting dates. SUBSTANTIATION: Documentation from some of the leading COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels the above suppliers of SCBA is attached. None indicate a 90 CF SCBA is wording addresses the submitters concern. Providing the blank available. spaces on the label and the test interval allows the tester to record Note: Supporting material is available upon request at NFPA the test date in a location where the operator can easily check it to headquarters. determine when retesting is required. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 I Change the second sentence of 23-9.4.1 to read as follows: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: The test shall include pressurizing a I hour, 4500 psi (31027 kPa) AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SCBA cylinder to failure. NOT RETURNED: ]t Gage COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels the above changes address the concerns of the submitter. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 (Log #38) NOT RETURNED: i Gage 1901- 209 - (23-9.1.1): Reject SUBMITTEI~ Margaret B. Garrett, Bauer Compressors, Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-195 (Log #91 ) RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: 1901- 212- (A-3-8.2): Reject 21-9.1.1 ~ r ...... v ...... pr~tcc~c.n at SUBMITTER: L H. Stevens, JEMS ...... I ...... Fill COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 stations...process RECOMMENDATION: Change two to read three 500 watt lights. SUBSTANTIATION: ISO and NFPA should mirror each other. -C,hss~ 1SO expects three lights, NFPA two. All departments will be reviewed by ISO's new program every three years. It is possible to --Cdass4 buy everything in the appendix and not get complete credit. SUBSTANTIATION: The "class designation" wording of 21-9.1 is COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. nomenclature used by only one fill station manufacturer. It is COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This is appendix material and as NOT industry standard. The terminology used by most such items on dais list are only recommendations, not manufacturers for fill station types is: requirements. The purchaser can specify as many lights as they Containment (of Total Containment), Enclosed (or Totally desire but the committee is suggesting 2 as a minimum. Enclosed), Fragmentation Shielding (or Fragmentation NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 Deflecting). VOTE ON COMMYITEE ACTION: Bauer Compressors recommends the use of industry standard AFFIRMATIVE: 28 terms. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

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(Log #12) (Log #110) 1901- 213 - (A-7-2.1): Accept in Principle 1901- 216 - (A-14-5.1): Reject SUBMITTER: Gary Handwerk, Hale Products, Inc. SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Waterous Co. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: RECOMMENDATION: Delete the following text: To accomplish dais with a minimum 20 psi intake pressure The term "all bronze" indicates that the pump's main casing, gt~a 1500 gpm pump is required. impeller, intake and discharge manifolds, and other principal SUBSTANTIATION: Most quints have a 1500 gpm pump and it components exposed to the water being pumped, with the will do die required test. exception of the shaft bearings and seals, are of a high-copper COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. alloy material. Delete the second sentence of A-7-2.1 and dae second sentence of SUBSTANTIATION: The term "all bronze" is no longer used in 9-3,2 which read: the standard - it was removed in 1991. Therefore, the term does not need definition. 17~9 g~m pum~ iz rcqu'rcd." COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: These sentences are not required COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The term is still used and the and could be misleading. committee wants to leave it in the document at this time. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #29) (Log #111) 1901- 214 - (A-11-8.11 (a)): Accept 1901- 217 - (A-14-5.1): Accept SUBMITTER: Thomas M. Konik, Marysville Fire Dept., MI SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Waterous Co. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-204 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: RECOMMENDATION: Add the following text: Flashing headlights are used in many areas as warning lights and Where corrosive water is being pumped and the pump and provide an inexpensive way to. obtain .additi°nal warning, to die piping is not made of corrosion resistant material, the placement front of flae apparatus. Daylight flashmg of the high beam [ of anodes in the pump may minimize the corrosive effects.. filaments is very effective and is generally considered safe. SUBSTANTIATION: AJthough the degree of effectiveness of Nighttime flashing "~ mcrc ccntrc.;'c~ial and may affect the visioo placing anodes in a pump depends on many different factors, it is of~ oncoming drivers as well as make driving die apparatus generally agreed tiiat they have a positive effect in many more difficult. ,Most hcx~'ght flazhcr: pcrmit flzc :clccton cf ~a'~" applications. The purchaser should be aware that alternatives exist onl)' ~r ;lay a~d n'g[~t n..~dc: cf opera'don. if a bronze (or other corrosion-resistant) pump is not warranted. In some jurisdictions, headlight flashing is prohibited or limited COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. to daylight !zcu~ cr tc certain types of emergency vehicles. If NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 flashing headlights are employed on fire apparatus, diey are to be VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: turned off when anDarams headlights are on. and in the blocking AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage mode along with ali other white warning lights. Steady burning headlights are not considered warning lights and may be iUuminated in die blocking mode to light the ,area in front of the apparatus. Consideration should be given, however, to--the- pczz!~!!'t)' ef ~:'.racdng to avoid shining the lights in die eyes of (Log #143) 1901- 218 - (A-14-7.7): Accept oncoming drivers. SUIIMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN SUBSTANTIATION: I feel the committee should reevaluate die COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 wording used and make more definite guidelines on when and I RECOMMENDATION: Renumber as A-14-7.8. when not to use high beam headlights as a warning signal. The SUBSTANTIATION: This appendix item refers to die committee's use of the word "distract" is not accurate to what is requirements of 14-7.8, not 14-7.7. happening to drivers. Driver's night vision is being temporarily COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. ,affected when approached by a vehicle with flashing high beams. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 This reduction in die ability to see in a dark environment after VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: being exposed to bright lights has been documented to cause AFFIRMATIVE: 28 mnnerous vehicle crashes ,and injuries to rescuers. How can NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage drivers be required by law to dim dieir headlights on approach of another vehicle for safety, but die standard allow the use of high beam flashers on fire apparatus. (Log #167) COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. 1901- 219- (A-14-10.1.2): Reject NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO" 1901-217 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage Pumps are operated from the side, top, front or rear of the vehicle, and stationary pumping requires that there is no power applied to the wheels while pumping. Therefore, it is essential that any controls which could apply power to the wl~eels while (Log #CCI0) pumping, be equipped with a means to prevent dislocation of the 1901- 215 - (A-11-8.12 and A-11-8.13): Accept control from its setposition in the pumping mode. SUBMITTER: Technical Committee on Fire Department SUBSTANTIATION: As originally written, this section only Apparatus addresses the pump shifting mechanism in a split-shaft PTO. It is COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 equally important to prevent the chassis transmission from being RECOMMENDATION: Add die words "in the blocking mode" to engaged when stationary pumping through a transmission- the end of the first sentence of each paragraph. mounted (SAE) PTO, front-of-engine crank sll~fft PTO, or engine SUBSTANTIATION: It is unclear as currently written whether the flywheel PTO. The revised wording addresses these situations. statement applies to the emergency lighting while "calling for right COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. of way" or "in the blocking mode." This additional wording COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee feels the existing clarifies tlae statement. wording is appropriate and covers the situation. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

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(Log #4) COMMITTEE ACTION: Hold. 1901- 220 - (A-14-10.7.4): Accept in Principle COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee does not have SUBMITTER: Gary Handwerk, Hale Products, Inc. enough data at this time to develop and test revised requirements COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 to ensure they will work under all conditions. RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: NUMBER OF COMMITFEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 A14-10.7.4 Pressure governors control engine speed which relates VOTE ON COMMITrEE ACTION: directly to net pump pressure, raise the speed, pressure goes up, AFFIRMATIVE: 28 lower the speed pressure goes down. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage Discharge relief valves control pressure by passing water from the discharge back into the suction side of the pump. This type system works in a pressure differential of approximately 70 to 90 PSI between suction and discharge of the pump. If the pressure differential relief valve is not present, the discharge relief valve may (Log #92) not control a pressure rise completely. 1901- 222 - (A-14-10.8): Accept in Principle With either a discharge relief valve or a pressure governor if they SUBMITTER: L H. Stevens, JEMS are used with high incoming inlet pressures, a suction dump/relief COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 valve or total control system must be added. RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: In the case where a suction dump/relief valve is selected, it must Departments who have to attain a draft while conducting be of sufficient size and response time to handle the pump operations off tank water will find adding a primer selector valve to performance range. It also must be easily controlled by the pump allow attaining a draft on the outboard side of the gated pump operator so dais incoming pressure can be adjusted for each suction valve will eliminate the danger of cavitation while supplying incident. For best resull~ the operator should set the suction attack lines. A vacuum line is run to the outboard side of the valve dump/relief valve to operate at 90 PSI below the desired discharge and connected through the selector valve and then to the primer. operating pressure. Side, front and rear selector setting can be arranged to allow In the case where total system control is selected, tbe system priming off any side of the unit with one primer. automatically controls the incoming pressure. Only one setting is SUBSTANTIATION: Many deparmaents need to draft to provide required by the operator, that being the discharge pressure continuous water supply. The selector will allow them to desired. accomplish that task without endangering interior fire fighting SUBSTANTIATION: We need to address high hydrant pressure crews. problems, dais will do it. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. Add an appendix to 14-10.8 to read as follows: Add text after the first paragraph ofA-14-10.7.4 to read as follows: A-14-10.8 Departments who have to attain a draft while Pressure governors control the engine speed which relates conducting operations off tank water will find adding a primer directly to the net pump pressure; if the speed is raised, the selector valve or second priming control valve to allow attaining a pressure goes up; if the speed is lowered, the pressure goes down. draft on the outboard side of the gated pump suction valve will Discharge relief valves control pressure by passing water from the eliminate the danger of cavitation while supplying attack lines. A discharge side of the pump back into the intake side of the pump. vacuum line is run to the outboard side of the valve and connected This type system works in a pressure differential of approximately through a selector valve to the primer. Side, front and rear 70 to 90 psi between the intake and discharge sides of the pump. selector setting can be arranged to allow priming off any side of If the pressure differenfiM relief valve is not present, the discharge the unit with one primer. relief valve may not control a pressure rise completely. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee agrees with the If either a discharge relief valve or a pressure governor are used submitter that adding the appendix material will assist users and with high incoming inlet pressures, ~:n intake relief valve or total has further modified the user's wording to suggest a second control system must be added. priming control valve could also be used to attain a draft on the In the case where an intake relief valve is selected, it must be of outboard side of a gated pump suction valve. sufficient size and response dme to handle the pump performance NUMBER OF COMMITrEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 range. It must also be easily controlled by the pump operator so VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: tiffs incoming pressure can be adjusted for each incident. For best AFFIRMATIVE: 28 results the operator should set the intake relief valve to operate at NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage 90 PSI below the desired discharge operating pressure. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is accepting all of the submitters suggested wording with editorially revisions but is not adding the submitters last sentence as it is design restrictive. NUMBER OF COMMn'TEE MEMBERS ELIG,IBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #172) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 223- (A-14-13.2.3): Accept AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise the last sentence of the last paragraph as follows: Thus, the net pump pressure can be calculated by the following formula: (Log #168) P=D+(Hx0.5) or P=D+0.43(L+F) 1901- 221 - (A-14-10.7.4): Hold where: SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN P=net pump pressure, psi COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 D=discharge pressure, psi RECOMMENDATION: Add the following to the last paragraph: H=manometer reading, in. Hg The table below shows the five critical test points pursuant to tile L=x;ertical lift, ft requirements of 14-10.7.1: F=friction and entrance loss, ft of water SUBSTANTIATION: Testing from a positive pressure source is Intake Pressure (psi) Discharge Pressure (psi) not allowed per 14-13.2.1.1. Supplying the formula to calculate the net pump pressure under those conditions is confusing to the -10 90 reader. -10 290 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. 0 30O NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 185 285 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 185 300 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage SUBSTANTIATION: The table clarifies the requirements set forth in 14-10.7.1 for dmse who might wish to have performance tests conducted on the installed system. The test points are not easily identifiable when reading the text.

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(Log #162) (Log #13) 1901- 224- (A-14-13.2.3.2): Accept 1901- 228 - (A-19-2.1): Accept SUBMITTER: Steve Morelan, Little Canada Fire Dept., Inc., MN SUBMITTER: Gary Handwerk, Hale Products, Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Renumber as A-14-13.1.2. I RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: SUBSTANTIATION: Clarity. This paragraph deals with Pump Water is forced through the eductor venturi by water pump Certification (14-13.1), not Pumping Test Procedures (14-13.2.3). discharge pressure, creating a vacuum that causes foam COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. concentrate to be dca',;~ "~ato tl~c cduct~r pushed by atmospheric NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 pressure into the eductor VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: SUBSTANTIATION: Drawn into is not correct. AFFIRMATIVE: 28 COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage (Log #9) 1901- 225 - (A-17-2.2): Accept in Principle SUBMITTER: Gary Handwerk, Hale Products, Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: (Log #57) When the tanks are made as one unit with the body and 1901- 229 - (A-19-2.2(b)): Reject comp~tments, the material used is important, it should be SUBMITTER: Dan W. McKenzie, USDA Forest Service corrosion proof and will not easily sweat. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 SUBSTANTIATION: Clarifications to suggested changes 17-2.2. RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. (b) M4nlm~ pressure drop, approximately ~ v~,...... ~ o. I/2 Add a second paragraph to A-17-2.2 to read as follows: per-ee~ 30 percent of inlet pressure "When the tanks are made as one unit with the body and SUBSTANTIATION: Best eductors have a 30 percent loss in compartments, the material used is important. It should be pressure from inlet to outer. corrosion proof and a material that does not easily sweat." COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee's changes to the COMMITTEE STATEMENT: A-19-2.2(b) deals with self-educting submitted wording are strictly editorial. nozzles. The comment deals with separate line proportioning NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 edu ctors. VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 AFFIRMATIVE: 28 VOTE ON COMMITrEE ACTION: NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #CC7) 1901- 226- (A-18-19.6): Accept SUBMITTER: Technical Committee on Fire Department (Log #14) Apparatus 1901- 280 - (A-19-2.3): Accept COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1001-217 SUBMrITER: Gary Handwerk, Hale Products, Inc. RECOMMENDATION: Add an appendix to 18-19.6 to read: COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 "A,-18-19.6 While the standard reouires the hydraulic system to RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: have adeouate cooling for continuous ooeration for 2 hours. The vacuum created by the water pump allows atmospheric orolonged ooerationsunder adverse environmental conditions pressure to push ~ foam concentrate directly into the pump could cause the hydraulic oil to rise in temDerature beyond its intake. re¢omnqended l;emperature range. The ourchaser may wish to SUBSTANTIATION: Draws is not correct. sPecifY an indicator and alarm that warns the operator if the fluid COMMIIq'EE ACTION: Accept. temperature begins to overheat." NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 SUI~STANTIATION: The committee recently became aware of a VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: situation where hydraulic oil overheated during a prolonged AFFIRMATIVE: 28 operation. This appendix will provide advice to a potential NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage purchaser that they may wish to consider adding an indicator and/or alarm to warn the operator that the temperature of the hydraulic oil is exceeding the manufacturer's recommendations. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 (Log #15) VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: 1901- 231 - (A-19-2.4): Accept AFFIRMATIVE: 28 SIJBMITTER: Gary Handwerk, Hale Products, Inc. NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: ...which creates a vacuum that causes foam concentrate to be ~:;~ :'nt~ fize e~'.:'ctvr pushed into the eductor 1901- 227- (A-19-2(d)): Accept SUBSTANTIATION: Drawn into the eductor is not correct. SUBMrrTER: Dan W. McKenzie, USDA Forest Service COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text to read as follows: VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: The ability to proportion ~ foam solution and water AFFIRMATIVE: 28 simultaneously from multiple discharge outlets__,goam NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage gU~STANTI~ATI(ION: This now says what it means. Water cannot be proportion and foam proportioning system not necessary. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. , NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

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(Log #44) (Log #46) 1901- 2327 (A-19-3.7): Accept in Principle 1901- 234- (A-19-9.3(b)): Accept in Principle SUISMITrEI~ Roger ~ Ruth, Fire Apparatus Mf~ Assn. SUBMITTER= Roger A. Ruth, Fire Apparatus Mfrs Assn. COMMENT ON P]tOPOSAL NO: 19D]-217 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Add a new paragraph to read as follows: RECOMMENDATION: Add text to read as follows: A-19.3.7 Automatic controlled foam proportioning systems that (b) It is desirable for the operator to familiarize himself or inject foam concentrate into the water pump discharge at a higher herself with the specific types of foam concentrates the foam pressure than the water discharge pressure have the potential to + proportioning system manufacturer has designed the system to force foam concentrate or foam solution into the external water operate with and proportion accurately. The,+foam proportioning source. This condition will occur when there is no water flowing system may require modification or recallbration if a foam and the foam proportioning system is activated in the automatic concentrate is intToduced into the system that was not intended for mode. As the foam proportioning system attempts to use in the system by the manufacturer. automatically adjust flow or pressure, the system may cycle the SUBSTANTIATION: Preparation, manual may not be available at foam concentrate injection pressure higher than the water pressure the fire scene. resulting in foam concentrate or foam solution being forced into Warning,, use of dissimilar or unspecified foam concentrates. the external water source. Some foam proportioning system COMMITYEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. manufacturers state, in their Operating Manual, that the system is Add text to read as follows: to be deactivated when there is no water pump discharge as a (h) It is necessary for the operator to familiarize himself or means to comply with requirements of.19-3.7. herself with the specific types of foam concentrates the foam SUBSTANTIATION: A-19-$.7 is intended to explain the specific proportioning system manufacturer has designed the system to types of foam proportioning systems and operating conditions that operate with and proportion accurately. The foam proportioning are required to cause the problem addressed in 19-3.7. In system may require modification or recalibration if a foam addition, the appendix recognizes an operating procedure method concentrate is introduced into the system that was not intended for (means) to meet the requirement. use in the system by the manufacturer. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The committee is changing the Delete A-19-3.6. third word of the submitted paragraph from "desirable" to Add an appendix to A-19.3.1 to read as follows: "Foam "necessary" as it feels it added emphasis to the importance of the proportioning systems that inject foam concentrate into the water operator bein~ familiar with the types of foam concentrate. pumping system at a higher pressure than the water pressure have • NUMBER OF COMMrrTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 the potential to force foam concentrate or foam solution into an VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: external water source. This condition will occur when there is no AFFIRMATIVE: 28 water flowing and the foam proportioning system is activated in the NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage automatic mode. Backflow prevention devices, or any device that creates additional friction loss in the system, should be installed only with the approval and specific instructions of the foam proportioning system manutacturer. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: A-19-3.6 is not appropriate to the requirements in 19-3.6. The committee has heldaction on adding requirements regarding the prevention of contamination of water sources with foam concentrate (see Committee Action on Public Comment 1901-168 (Log #42). However, the committee feels that the purchaser should be aware of the problem and is providing this appendix to caution the purchaser. NUMBER OF COMM1TTEEMEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 VOTE ON COl~ ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

(Log #124) 1901- 233 - (A-19-7.2): Accept in Prindple SUBMrFrER: Tom Reser, Edwards Manufacturing Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 1901-217 RECOMMENDATION: Addtext to read as follows: A19-7.2 "Corrosion-resistant material is defined hi NFPA 20 "Standard for file Installation of Fire Pumps" as: materials such as brass, copper, monel, Stainless steel, or other equivalent corrosion - resistant materials." SUBSTANTIATION: Guidance on foam pump materials must be given to the designer and end user. NFPA 20 has a good definition of "corrosion-resistance" and none is given in 1901. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle. I Add an appendix to 19-7.2 to read as follows: A-19-7.2 "Corrosion-resistant materials are materials such as brass, copper, monel, stainless steel, or equivalent materials." COMMITIT..E STATEMENT: The committee does not feel it is necessary to reference NFPA 20 to provide guidance on what corrosion-resistant materials are. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 29 •VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 28 NOT RETURNED: 1 Gage

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