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Face the Nation © 2004 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved PLEASE CREDIT ANY QUOTES OR EXCERPTS FROM THIS CBS TELEVISION PROGRAM TO "CBS NEWS' FACE THE NATION. " CBS News FACE THE NATION Sunday, October 24, 2004 GUESTS: LIZ CHENEY Senior Adviser, Bush-Cheney Campaign JOE LOCKHART Senior Adviser, Kerry-Edwards Campaign DOYLE McMANUS The Los Angeles Times MODERATOR: BOB SCHIEFFER - CBS News This is a rush transcript provided for the information and convenience of the press. Accuracy is not guaranteed. In case of doubt, please check with FACE THE NATION - CBS NEWS 202-457-4481 BURRELLE'S INFORMATION SERVICES / 202-419-1859 / 800-456-2877 Face the Nation (CBS News) - Sunday, October 24, 2004 2 BURRELLE'S INFORMATION SERVICES / (202)419-1859 / (800)456-2877 Face the Nation (CBS News) - Sunday, October 24, 2004 1 BOB SCHIEFFER, host: Today on FACE THE NATION, nine days until the election and the race is still anybody's to win. With the candidates out campaigning for the undecided votes and that important bloc, women, the race remains virtually even. Will the huge numbers of new voters make the difference and how are the swing states leaning? We'll ask a top representative for each campaign. Liz Cheney, a senior adviser on the Bush team, and Joe Lockhart, who advises Senator Kerry. Doyle McManus, of The Los Angeles Times, joins in the questioning. Then we'll have a FACE THE NATION 50th anniversary Flashback about Pete Rose. Finally, I'll have a thought on the Boston Red Sox. But first, the last days of the presidential campaign on FACE THE NATION. Announcer: FACE THE NATION with CBS News chief Washington correspondent Bob Schieffer. And now from CBS News in Washington, Bob Schieffer. SCHIEFFER: And good morning again. Both our guests are in the studio today. Liz Cheney, who is a working mom, a mother of four... Ms. LIZ CHENEY (Bush-Cheney Senior Adviser): That's right. SCHIEFFER: ...I believe, and a senior adviser on the Bush-Cheney campaign. She's also, of course, Vice President and Mrs. Cheney's daughter. Also, here is a working dad, Joe Lockhart, from the Kerry campaign. Joining in the questioning, another working dad or are you a working grandfather yet? Mr. DOYLE McMANUS (Los Angeles Times): No. No, sir. SCHIEFFER: Well, I'm a working grandfather here. Doyle McManus of the Los Angeles Times. Let's begin with you, Ms. Cheney. And thank you very much for coming. And I want to start with this question. During the debate, when John Kerry mentioned your sister by name after I asked him if he and President Bush believed that homosexuality was a choice--brought up your sister Mary's name. You're parents, to say the least, sort of went through the roof. A lot of other people took offense. But I can't find where anybody asked Mary Cheney what she thought about it. Was she offended? Ms. CHENEY: She was, Bob. Thanks for having me first of all. I think we've all been pretty clear that we thought it was out of bounds. Mary was angry herself about it. And I think, you know, many people watching that night--if you look at the polls afterwards--thought it was out of bounds as well for a candidate to use a child of one of his opponents to score political points. Made folks wonder what kind of a person would do that. And I think it's become part of a pattern, unfortunately, where it looks like Senators Kerry and Edwards will say and do just about anything in these closing days of the campaign to get elected. We've seen it with--you know, the claim that if Senator Kerry were president, Christopher Reeve would walk again. We've seen it with the scare tactics on Social Security and the draft. It's really--it's unfortunate, but I think, unfortunately, it's part of a larger pattern we've seen. BURRELLE'S INFORMATION SERVICES / (202)419-1859 / (800)456-2877 Face the Nation (CBS News) - Sunday, October 24, 2004 2 SCHIEFFER: May I just ask you, why was she offended? She is openly gay. To what did she take offense? Ms. CHENEY: Well, the same thing that we all did, that it was really exploitative, that it was bringing her name into it to try to score some political points. And it's really unprecedented. I think it's, frankly, the first time that's ever happened. SCHIEFFER: Mr. Lockhart, I must say that it did seem to put a rather harsh edge on what I thought was a fairly eloquent answer by Senator Kerry, his answer to the question. Why did he find it necessary to bring up her name and in retrospect, do you think it was a mistake? Mr. JOE LOCKHART (Senior Adviser, Kerry-Edwards Campaign): Well, I don't think it was a mistake, and I think it's unfortunate, and we'll take the family at their word that they were offended by it. It's unfortunate. But what he was trying to do was make a broader point about tolerance. But the specific point, I think, was in praise of the parenting of Dick and Lynne Cheney, and that's where John Kerry is. I've talked to him about this. That's the point he was trying to make. It picked up on an exchange in the debate just two or three days earlier in Cleveland, where John Edwards said something very similar, and the vice president thanked him. Maybe it was the fact that Dick Cheney wasn't there that it sort of got them... SCHIEFFER: Well, does he feel badly about it? Mr. LOCKHART: Well, I think if he says something that is meant as a compliment and two parents, whether they be the vice president or whether they be two parents who live in Peoria, Illinois, and they take it the wrong way, then, of course. It was not received as intended. I'll tell you what, though, I think is wrong. There was--one of your colleagues on the campaign told The Washington Post or The New York Times that John Kerry had launched a vicious, personal attack. It wasn't. I mean--and that, to me, represents intolerance when people think that somehow, when you talk openly about these things, that it is something wrong and it's an attack. It was not an attack. And, again, if it was not received in the way it was intended, then that is unfortunate. But the broader point, I think, still exists, and the idea that both John Edwards and John Kerry think that they're good parents is the bottom line. Ms. CHENEY: Can I just add one thing, though? I think the reason it was perceived as an attack was in part furthered by Mary Beth Cahill's comments, you know, calling Mary `fair game,' which doesn't fit into the whole notion... Mr. LOCKHART: Well, that was... Ms. CHENEY: ...that it was something meant kindly. Mr. LOCKHART: Listen, a lot of things get twisted and taken out of context as time goes on. I watched that interview, and it--the interview was something along the line of, `You know, since Vice President Cheney first brought this to the public's attention in the first place, was it fair game to talk about it?' And her answer was `Yes.' I mean--so I don't think she's talking about, you know, it's--go back and look at the interview. That's what it says. And I think it says something about, you know, a campaign that generally doesn't want to focus on what's going on here domestically, what's going on in the world, that we constantly have these little things that get blown up and out of proportion and out of context, and the public is looking at it, saying, `You know what? I don't have a job. Why are they talking about this?' BURRELLE'S INFORMATION SERVICES / (202)419-1859 / (800)456-2877 Face the Nation (CBS News) - Sunday, October 24, 2004 3 SCHIEFFER: Well, let's go to Doyle. Mr. McMANUS: Ms. Cheney, let me go to a related issue, and it's one of the few issues on which your dad disagrees with President Bush. President Bush favors an amendment to the federal Constitution against same-sex marriage. Your father has said he thinks that the states ought to handle that matter. Oddly enough, Senator Kerry seems to agree with your father on that. What's your position? Ms. CHENEY: Well, I think what my dad has said has been that, you know, he does believe it's a matter that should be left to the states. It's what the president has said, too. But you've got a situation now where you've got activist judges in several states who are taking that decision away from the people in those states and making it a situation where they're deciding from the bench rather than letting the people decide. I do agree with Joe in terms of the fact that people in this country are concerned about other issues. And we really are focused on the fact that, you know, people want to know who's going to keep them safe, who's going to keep this economy growing, looking at what this president's track record is and, frankly, looking at Senator Kerry's track record and comparing the two. So, you know, I think we've said that we thought it was an inappropriate comment, an inappropriate remark, but, you know, at the end of the day, when people go into the ballot box, they're going to be voting based on this president's track record in keeping them safe and continuing to go grow this economy and continuing to create jobs.
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